It is Monday, August 7th, the Motown Select Board. We're here meeting at the John Huggable Meeting Room and 79 School Street. So we'll start with the first item on the agenda and that is general public comments. And Mayor, are you here for that? I am. If you want to kind of roll the road or step forward and state your name and let us know what you're. Yeah, I'm on Andrew. I- Excuse me, I'm sorry. Kisha? Andrew, my name's Andrew. Okay. Bitwell Road, Maggie, Eric, and our son. And we've talked to Martin and Cameron a few times over the last few years about a potential repossification of Bitwell Road. We have suggested, most recently, during the storm or the full work without a problem or a drive-by that he would recommend and maybe we all would consider repossification if we were to commit to an investment bringing in a low-loss bill each year. And then we would be repossified from class A to class A, which would mean that we would grade it essentially one time a year if we were to pay for the bill. So we would pay for the bill, we would grade it, and that's that, basically. All right, so that just going from class four B to class four A is what you're looking for. I think that's what he was suggesting, the need of potential option that we all would consider that we would invest in drive-by and both the town and us investing. Our standard road policy with class four roads is exactly that. Well, once a year, he tries to get them with the greater the difference between Bs. B has been designated that because they were in such poor shape or there were things going on that he felt not safe enough for the greater or other equipment. He's gonna be in later. So if he, and not that I doubt anything you said, but certainly I think it's fair if Martin said that's what he would suggest, I would certainly go along with that. I think most of the board would probably agree as well. Just as long as we get from him, if you guys can sit down and I'll ask him to sit down with you and kind of put something together of what you're going to do or maybe even walk the property with him. So there's an expectation. So the expectations are met and he knows exactly what he's getting into which I'm sure he does if he's suggested this. Yeah, he was actually out a few weeks ago and we didn't talk in person on the drive-by. So yeah, that sounds great. All right. I'm gonna shake that. He's coming in 45 minutes to have an hour. You're welcome to stay, but you certainly do not have to. But at some point we'll- And will he just follow up with me? Yeah. Yeah, great. That's wonderful. You know, do you object to be taking a look or driving up by the office or anything? I know. We'll see you in a minute. Here's Martin. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Great. Hey, Martin, how are you? Good, how are you? Good. Your's ringing? Good. Good. So, how's it go out? So Andrew here, he's from Herrick Road. That's my class today, man. No, Joe, that's the way. He did well. Yeah, he did well. Yeah, he did well. He said he didn't get his attention before. That's the name of the road. Yeah, it's not the word, bro. So, Martin, Andrew's- And he said that you made a suggestion that if he was to bring in some build, we could reclassify that into an A. Yes. I mean, looking at it, wanting to get some issues, but as a co-worker, had a work that we need to do, but still, we still won't finish up and look at it, and I'm thinking we can get this one load and we can offer it virtually. We can easily grade that once we're gonna keep it. So, yeah, if you wanna maybe stop up with it or whatever, just work with him and figure it out where you need it, what to need it, and how to go forward and- The very short road. So I think he's, you know, just getting the shape up on here and then making things up. I think it's, I looked at it earlier, it's 0.131, so about 700 feet, probably. Yeah, that's something about, right. Yeah, they're gonna have to be talked, and I said that the appropriate thing that we'll be able to put in place for it. Yep, and I'll check it out and get it reclassified with your approval, and we can just- All right, Lee says as long as you guys can get the green there good with it, we're good. So we'll go ahead and do that. Thank you, I know. Making official, making motion that we reclassified Bidwell Road from Class 4B to Class 4A. With appropriate- Oh, with appropriate. Still, there's, the Herops will take four and Martin will grade and, and then Plough from now on. Or, not Plough, Plough. No, it's Plough. Plough. But no, there was inside. And then it was a little bit of a lot of- It's a little bit of a lot of detail, so I said, I think it's a little bit of a lot of- So what a set, I think it's a little bit of a big enough set. It's just something we're going to put in writing. It's just going to be in the meeting notes. It'll be in the meeting notes. And then as far as it being graded, that's in the class of four, A policy. So once the roads moved up there, it just falls under that. Well, you don't accept that he's going to provide material. Exactly. So, I mean, we're all gone. He's still there 15 years from now. It's all new. Martin's in Florida, you know, Arizona. I don't remember the ground.  Again, in the class for policy is we don't bring in dirt or anything. So it's going to be his responsibility. Yep. And to keep it, that's to keep it up to that. Yeah. The falls below falls below A again by getting to treacherous thing a little fall on it. All right. I'm going to go here though. All of you. Hi, everyone. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Callie, I'm here. All right. So we have anyone else for open public discussion? Johnny? Yes. I want to comment about the signage, new signage on the Moortown manroke. It's a flashing light in the morning about a road bridge or a public bridge. The Flankinites just drove south of the road. And I was concerned about the need for that, and the visual pollution it provides, and the Flankinites can make all that today. And I'm not sure about the need. In fact, I think it was both the attention of the Moortown and not sure how it's done by Northfield. And in fact, there's two towns between here and Northfield, including Northfield. There's a part of the road in and then Northfield as well. And the sign can be placed in a different area. We're pretty sure that as the time goes, you can give an outlet, and the vehicle knows to that point. But I was wondering why we had to have that sign where it is. Well, that was proxiescent. Martin, was it you? Yeah. Mark, I think we should have the fire at the time. That's the question. Place of time and then Northfield did give us a lot of visible ask for the need then. And I was asked again whether gravity was in control, and it did. I think the logic then is to try to catch the traffic to talk if it's going to go that far. But I knew what I had to pull and pull it in the way that I wanted it to go. And the line and where they didn't, they only were on the ground, and they were fine with this. Like I said, we're going to see what are the following. Yeah, I mean, so we just, it was put up for, obviously, so the trucks don't go through and then there's the bridges on the other side. And Thomas said, he says, let's catch them earlier then or sooner than later. You know, you're the first one that's been in here. And how long have they been up a month? A month, six weeks. Six weeks. So I really haven't heard much pushback or any pushback at all at this point. Like I said, driving by that model, you or can you see it from your home? No, I just drive it by, and drive it by me for it. And in fact, we're gradually becoming more urbanized. Right. Or the new science and so on. There's one more, there's actually two sides. There's one just by the substation with the ground and rods. And then the second one. And as I say, ignore those concerns about it. They could put aside, I understand, catching four. But if you catch them there, where are they going to go to find themselves? The road, they're going to have to wait. Well, I think the thought is that they won't turn around and they'll proceed to the bridge and cause more damage to these historic bridges that weren't trying so hard to preserve. Well, I understand, but we've all been here a long time and we've managed without it. I don't think there's been any recent incident where they've had two garbage trucks in a truck like this. Jeff and I are not going to release an incident towards the vehicle damage that occurred to those bridges. It's unbelievable. That's how often it happens. Yeah. I don't think I realized that it was going to be a flash of light all the time. The first time I went by, I thought my car activated because I didn't realize. And then I was coming down the other way and I saw it was flashing a long time. Could it be a sign that's maybe activated by a vehicle? I don't know. Well, that was my point if he was concerned when he drove by, or if he said he'd see it from his house. If he's seeing it blinking from his house, day and night, I don't understand. He's going to activate when he drives by and when he's going to see it all the time. My concern is about the more visual pollution and our responsibility is more time. I understand that more people can't be there. As I suggest, it can be placed much further along. There's no other place to put a truck to escape once they go past that sign here. So it makes the difference. They go past it here, they're not in the bridge. They can be assigned, as I say, just before hazard time. Which is, I think the only place we can escape, we can go up or down, then the idea is to throw it. Which is actually, depending on the side of the vehicle. I imagine eight million wheels are going out of the road and then coming in and coming out of the bridges. Why it's more time to respond to the other thing. As I said, it's going in as a vehicle. And then it's going to go in and don't seem to get some well before that. You know, I think maybe we can reach out the idea or brought it up, maybe, of a sign that's activated by. Well, it's basically the same thing. It's kind of a little self-matching all the time. But, you know, we have at least a problem with the right.  So, you know, I don't want to alienate them over a little flashing sign, but. Have they got it? Yeah, it looks fine, it's kind of, as I say, you know, we are seeing, as I say more, these are urbanization, I think, right? Yeah, and there's a real world, or you call it character, you get it. I mean, it's a point we could just put a standard sign there on our and the Moretown side and let them put the flashing one on their side. I don't know. No, but we got it, so, but we have to. Now that we have a plane, I mean, we can say, well, we have residents complain. Yeah, I've had other people that had a problem with that. I've been waiting, yeah. I've heard from other people as well. Yeah. Okay. I know she's going to find it. Bart, do you mind reaching out and seeing what kind of perspective you get from them and asking if we'd be in an issue for them to move that beacon sign? So, we were, there was always got, you know, put it in the beacon, and along with the first sign, that was obviously going to impact residents, they, you know, visually of being in their stuff. So, we chose the second sign, because for that purpose, it wasn't going to impact any, well, you know, red, white. To his point, do they have a sign in the north field with a beacon on? No, there's no sign. There's no sign. No, we're taking a run of the beacon. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, just reach out on that, if you don't mind. So, yeah, Johnny, we'll have, Martin's going to reach out and see what we can do about that. Thank you for your attention. I was going to say that, of course, it has to be there, it has to be better than the standard. I do have an example that I have with other people that needs to be as well. So, yeah, I think it's going to have a three or a ten. Who's next, sir? Are you here for? I'm just here to hear about family, but I mean, any last four road discussions, but I did bring snacks, since I usually do this. I was going to say that. Thank you very much, Shane. Yeah, there's a reason about so often. Thank you very much. They're kind of shooting. That comes from up in still, right? Yeah, I work in still, so I'm no stranger to sign it, just our roads are related, but I love on ground to go over it again there. I do want to get in, Martin and the team for all the work they do, who are getting my word passed on.  Well, thank you. Thank you for the snack. You're welcome. All right. So next up, there's no publics. Let me make sure here. Stefan, you don't have anything for public comment? No. All right. So now we have Cheryl and Cheryl and Brown coming up with the tax rate. Something we're always looking forward to each year. So, Cheryl and Cheryl did this with me on Friday, so I got to take it all a weekend long. Cheryl and very well done. Thank you. So if you want to go ahead and share, you may. You want me to go over each one? Yeah, why don't you? Okay. So the proposed budget is what was voted on in March. And that's $1,455,103. And the proposed floor articles are what was voted on on the floor as well as the articles that were voted on. Australian ballot like the $10,000 to the survey fund and all that. So that's another 79,224. And then that was an exemption is something that we have never put into the budget and the honours this year said that we should be putting the difference that because the town has to make up that difference on the extra that we have voted in on. Probably 10, 15 years ago anyway. Right. So that would be the town's portion to make up. And just to be clear, so that veterans get a certain percent of their tax bill and that's why that is, and that is 4,700. And so that is a total of $1,539,027 that we have requested to spend this year. And last year we ended up technically with a deficit as you all knew, but after the audit this year and speaking with them, they said that we should take this of the 17,987 as a surplus because that figure is for all years. So rather than throwing in just 2,022, we'll be taking a surplus for all the years, which that 17,000 was sitting in the grand. Excuse me. The general ledger. So that helps us out there. And the. Good. And the anticipated income is like it. The only new one that's on here is the very first one for the municipal treasury of 8,000 that's never been added in either. And it was recommended by the auditor during the audit to add in that figure. That's an estimated figure that will be receiving back from the state of Vermont. And so there, as you can see, what is there one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight lines of anticipated income and that anticipated income is 245,340 dollars. Leaving us. Can we back up to that? Yeah. I just want to point out on the Duxbury fire contract where it says 14,000 versus the 7,000 from the previous year. That's because that's very did not pay last year's 2022 on time. So we actually received those funds in 2023. So it's normally 7,000, but this year it's going to be 14,000. You're good. So our request is, as I said, a million 539,027 dollars. We have our surplus of 17,987 are anticipated income of 245,340 dollars. So that leaves us with a net request for a taxes of 1,275,699 dollars and 20 cents. Our grand list this year was 2,315,313 dollars 96 cents, giving us a municipal tax rate of 55 cents. And that's up four cents from last year. Last year was 51 cents. And all good. We moved down the paper. We have our residential tax rate. So now this is when we're adding the school rate in school rate has gone up significantly. It's 194 as opposed to last year's 177. So everyone sitting around this table when we're asked those questions on what happened to our taxes. I don't want to bury the school, but just be clear that the increase is coming from, from the school. So that leaves us with a residential tax rate of 249. And then a, because the school tax rate is figured differently on non-residents. The actual non-resident tax is actually less at 241. So if we also get the low fees, we'll get the low fee labor at the schools. We increase sort of just everything that has to do with our grand list or COA. As well. Yeah. I mean, we've got spending on that end and then we've got the grand list, common level of brazel. And that's one reason why, or that is the reason why we're doing a reassessment. brings that multiplier down level. So any questions for Cheryl and on this concerns? All right, is there a motion to accept the tax rate as shown? I will make that a motion to start the tax rate that the residential tax rate at 2.4945 and non-residential at 2.4156. And the components of that being the municipal rate at 0.55 and the school tax rate at 1.9455, resident and non-resident of 1.8656. And Kelly, any other discussion on the tax rates? So Carol and this is all go out tomorrow, probably. Are you coming to help? Yeah, I was going to say give us a little. All in favor of what I? All right. All right. I can change your yours tomorrow morning. No, you don't worry about it. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. All right. And now bringing back the band, we got Cheryl Brown. Cheryl, let's pull up. What is there? So as you've all, if you haven't been reading any emails, Cheryl Lynn has stepped up. Cheryl and Cheryl has stepped up to help during this period of flooding and FEMA relief because it is a very technical time. And Cheryl went through it with Irene. And so her expertise is greatly appreciated. So Cheryl, if you want to go ahead and let us know what has gone on so far. Do you have any questions first of all? I'm sure we will. So what's going to happen with this is we met the threshold in Washington County, not the threshold. So on the 7th of July, there was a declaration 4720 announced, which opened up New York town. As long as we had $3,800 of damage in, I believe, Martin's worksheet is indicated that we certainly have that. So what will happen is we will get 75% of eligible costs reimbursed. We have EFR standards, which are, they're called ERAF status, I mean, it's taken a long time. Was in place, I'm sure it's still in, which means we have our zoning up to what standards? We have that five criteria set by the state, which will give us another 10%. And hopefully the governor does what he did during my meeting and kicks in another 5% from the state. So our bottom line for the town of Hortown should be about 5% of the total flood costs for the eligible costs. That would be head of the governor kicks in the act at 5%. So, Sharon and I were at a workshop, a virtual meeting on 731 with the state and we learned a few things. We registered in the portal, so Hortown is eligible for sending our paperwork. When FEMA gets around to sending a representative to Hortown, then there will be a pickup meeting. We'll let Martin know about it. So we can ask questions, come to the meeting and ask questions. Because with Martin and Ann are present that once the person comes around that we'll pick off site visits to your sites that have problems. You will need latitude and longitude photos and damaged dimensions on all the properties for that meeting, which I'm sure you'll always have pictures. You can go on Google or make a lot of people on your street with that. And then the damaged dimensions. And then we'll be scored to recovery scoring management worksheet, which means simply that projects and under 250,000 will be brought back to the original design. By a FEMA representative coming around and estimating the work like they did during my reading.  They give you what they say that they're gonna pay for what that amount is and that's what we'll get. And we talked a little bit about Lovers Lane. Don't let there's some mitigation that may be needed on Lovers Lane. Okay, so Ben rules and I have my office number in here. This is a turnout of the worksheet that we did. It's gonna be information contact in here.  And contact information. And without mitigation, you'll talk to Ben Rose. At least out of mitigation, I put his contact information in here. And he is the one who you want to come look at that. You've already had Anna.  You haven't finished these projects yet. You wanna make sure that the culverts that you put back in are hydraulically correct. Ask for our codes and standards for people to pay for that. So if any of them need to be mitigated, Ben Rose is your guide. He's the one who, why we got the money from your broke those culverts that we're small with. I have a fight for it, but we got it. So I think that in that area over there, Martin, that's what we'll want to do this time for these other culverts. Cause that's the second time those kind of wiped out, right? Not, yes, no. I mean, we had the second time at the end and we were flying two of the culverts that wiped out and migrating. We cleaned up the box owners that hold up in part of the new one. Obviously the right approach on the other weird culverts. So we are already, like in that area where I met you guys for lunch that day. Yeah, that's already, Jared works from stream alteration, he's already said that's a box owner. We need, you know, 95 cents or that a box owner. Well, we have the 10th and get through the wind. Right. So obviously we have 10 now with two more culverts and he did a map of what that was across. I think those are what I'm just saying for a moment. So we're good there for firing another event. Right, but this mitigation, we'll have to do that there for that match, not that there, right? Yeah, yeah, pretty long about a fair. I mean, well, I'm telling you, right? Comfortable with work work. We can add on to what we have there and make it work for you there. Lovers playing it. We're rapidly running out of time to see what we're doing with that. And that's gonna lead to take, gonna lead to wrapping, is it, it's been very frustrating working through this process, the health flow that we've been playing. It's, I've got a book in your book and I started to read everything, Rob can click and see it, Rob can do that two weeks later after that, I get email saying it's okay to live back completely disaster condition, marriage, restricting and then get contradicting information. He is getting contradicting information because I have to, which has been frustrating. So I think we have to, on these situations where we're getting this contradicting information, we need to certainly document what you're doing. Yeah, we are very close, but if we try to get, then we need to figure out what is the right direction to go here? I'm census tell us at this point, we need to start putting this stuff back together or else it's gonna be a big mess this winter. Lovers Lane have, were you able to reach out as far as a temp bridge at all to check? I hope not, as far as I'm concerned. For that I've had a site ended with three moderations and Michelle read the news date and looked at the site and boarded on to her woman supervisors and stuff, they're aware of it and just not sure they're gonna move back enough for what we have to point out. We have residents wanting to get their science and whatnot for the Lovers Lane and I'm not comfortable with writing off on whether the scroll should be full of all traffic, whether it be residents or somewhere. And I think that's sort of some of the conflicting information comes because if the project is gonna be mitigated, it's gonna be over $250,000, right, Martin? Okay, so once you hit over $250,000 threshold, you have to follow female procurement standards, sue the letter, you have to put it out to bid for this permanent work, you have to get engineering, you have to put that out to bid, kind of like we did the bridge. You have to put it all out ready, you've got to put the builds out on the Montwork website too, so there's equal opportunity. So that's where the conflicting information is coming from as the size of the project. A project of under $250,000, like Martin has done on the other ones, they still have to go out to bid, but he can do that by email, set it up to three. Doesn't mean that you have to pick the lowest to highest.  They're 200 bucks higher or whatever, but you think they'll do a better job, things like that, but that's where the tough part comes in with Martin because if it's gonna be over $250,000, the procurement has to be followed by the letter. And that's where Ben grows, I've already called them off three times, and I said, you know, when you start to work and do this, and that's when he explained that, well, when they told you to get the build back in shape, then that's okay for some projects, but the other projects like, when I explained briefly what Martin's going to bid about, you know, finishing the work, but he's not happy with it, you know, as far as folding things like that, you know, what Martin's got concerns, and he said, well, then we'll discuss that some in the workshop. So, Martin is absolutely right, there are conflicting information, and that's where it comes from. So how should we, I mean, because I mean, something's gonna be done on this, this is something that needs to be done immediately as far as, you know, I've heard about, oh yeah, that's definitely the end of it. Engineering. Big contractors, a lot of, you know. And that's gonna be tough too, because first of all, you've kind of got to get an estimate on how much it's gonna be, if it's gonna be over $250,000, you know, you've got, you know, you've got a both procurement process that goes into years to tell you the exact fact. And that's another thing, when you get that exact fact and you get the mitigation down a few bedrooms, you know, who get it approved, if they give you 70, 750,000, that's it, they're not gonna give you any more. If it goes over 10,000, that's not what they're talking about. So, and that's all in here. I'm not saying anything to mind, it's not all in here. The problem of the agent and the set-up. So, it's gonna be somebody. It's a big, wide-minded entity. Yes, yeah. We're gonna have to move on, we're gonna talk a million and a half, and we're gonna report it to the media. Yes, they strap it up too, in that training that we were in, make sure that it, yeah, they strap it. Don't be afraid to reach out, federal, but let's help this bridge. He is glad that I called him many times. He doesn't care, he'll come out. But the whole process hasn't started yet. It hasn't started coming with you. The statement's... So, Cheryl, can you push that on that end and try to keep Martin in the little, obviously, because it's the appointment that he needs, but let's aim, I mean, that's our first goal is to get him here so we can have some direction, even whether we should be looking at this temporary bridge or, I mean, we don't know how to expense that in, if you will, even. Do you need any further bridge on what we're doing? They have one down for a middle-sex town, where I'm with the Mandy Bridge, the same bridge that we use. It was made for the bridge, if they still have it. They didn't want it to be the bridge.  I didn't put it right on the top, right on the top. Yeah? Yeah. Well, I actually, I was talking to Chris, and he, like, was the only chance because I was on the scoping side, which was the amount of doing, but in any event, I asked him about it, and he just thought we couldn't really get into it. He was bearing with all the floods sometimes, but he thought it would be very costly to go back to try and do something that would be down there in years and years, but he didn't think he was the final say. I mean, it's, these are the way I got to say, just one guy. Right. Yeah, we're just looking for a temporary bridge. Yeah, I don't know if I can say that. They may not, at least that, they may not even have, they may not be, you know, wrote to their houses at all. Yeah, no, I don't know. All right, Cheryl, go ahead then, sorry. So we have 18 months to finish all the projects. Ben Rose is another one that if you need more time, say, if we're always wanting, then you would ask him for an extension. We won't even talk about the appeal process yet because it doesn't sound like anyone from King has been around. He hasn't gone around with you yet, which is really frustrating, I'm sure, and really out of sequence with what happened during Irene. I mean, those schema guys were here. I think it was Stuart that was forming.  We're almost a month after the accident.  Everybody's hearing that saying, Ben, we have orders and stuff, but... You're going to be fine. Yeah. You're going to be fine. You've got some good, you've got some, you're going to have some good people from the state of Vermont. They're in here. You're going to have some good guidance when they finally get them all along. But here it's very frustrating because they haven't been around. And this is a copy of the digital reading that we went through. It's like an hour and a half, two hours long, but it's got good information, good contacts, so if you've got a question on anything, they also videotaped it, too. That's for when you sent me your own... I sent you what you're going to give you now, it is videotaped and it's definitely worth watching. It's time for some of the stuff I'm worth it. Anything about class four roads or reimbursement? Class four roads, I talked about roads. There is no coverage for class four roads. I would not count that out completely. We have a lot of pictures. Gary took a lot of pictures and he was trying to... The birth of water and fill in the holes so that people could get out of emergency services. I was still, I'm sure Martin was still taking a few more people up there to look at that because it needs to be put back to the original standards, what it was before the storm. I don't think that that should have come out of your pocket, but I'll work with Fenrose on that, do mitigation, but the first step would be to have that FEMA guy come up with Martin and have them tell him that they're not going to pay for it and then I will... Do we go after it? I will go after it if that's how you want me to put that's what you wanted to do, I'm tenacious. No, we know that, but we need to get the road, the class four back to their A status or whatever they have to be. And some of that can be worked into other projects. I'm not sure that I've had a lot, but so we can make that happen, but yeah. What's the first stage for my library's life? It's really, it's almost like an engineering thing. Detrans, detrans, they're sort of there. Well, they have an engineer come up with designs for what they've done. That's the first step. They should be able to talk with Martin and say, you're getting a report from the engineers, I mean, from La Pena. So specifically, here in La Pena, look at a project that is going to be, as he told me, that you're awfully looking at it, so maybe there's truly a paradox. Can you give me that, are you? No, they're not doing it currently. Okay, and he was a stream over if he's over here? Yeah. And I think the next step that you want to do is get hydraulics down there. For the water flow, for the road, we must be able to pull it, it's okay. So, then you'll want to get them rolled down there. You want to get them rolled down there. And counting your concerns, that you think the road needs to be, you know, it needs to be ready to get it, otherwise we're putting it in the back, you know, as far as the way we're going out again, we're going to put the run here to the center and see what he's up to. And then you can come on the board and ask him how you get a figure. Ask him, ask him how you can get a figure, but what needs to be done. Because he's stressed with that meeting, you know, get your ANR involved, get your stream operations involved, and then we've got something that we can fight, you know, with something that you can mitigate. I mean, I'm just, I think I've done, I've done what I hope I can do with the local plan to the point where the ANR will stay until it appears that it can happen. I'm more than happy to meet people there. If we get this Ben Rhodes guy there, make sure that we're copied. I'd like to be at that meeting. And we need to find, we're going to figure out who's in charge and get some direction on how to approach that. We know we need hydraulic studies and engineering, but we really needed kind of a degree of what are we looking at as far as we've looked at that. I mean, me and you look at it and we see us blasting the rock and we're not engineers, but we need to have some direction so we can get that. There's not this fall. You know, what do we do for the winter? Because like you said, you're not driving a truck. We're not allowing a truck to be driven up there. And I'm not saying that it could happen, but it's not the way it's suppose to. It's a dangerous way to be in the process. You know, if they hold up, but still. Okay. He's going fast enough. You'd be all right. Right? We don't wanna just deal. That's Stefan. I demand hazard pay. like job schedule, and just a temporary fix for something in the winter or whatever, I don't know how can we push ahead to get the state or all the folks that you were just mentioning, that we really have a short window. We've got about four months to pull this off. Something to make it passable for the winner, you know. So Ben Rose is also going to get Tim Baker. You'll hear that name. He's female recovery PA director. And Baker is a major? Or maybe? And Baker is a major. Yeah. And he's the role recovery PA director. The first step would be to get in touch with Ben Rose. And then you'll have the regular year for Martin. What needs to happen. You know. Yeah, I don't know what you're doing tonight. Martin, have you tried him yet? All right. And the number is in this packet. Yes. So why don't we make that a priori tomorrow? Let me know how you go with it. I'll take his number, you know, I'll try him as well so that we can both be kind of hunting that down. And then we can, I guess he's the key to getting us kicked on. There's really two pieces of the project. There would be a temperate fix that costs a temporary fix. And then hopefully next year, we should be even making questions as well. I think that's a part of it. And so, Sharon, I think Ben's doing exactly what she needed to do, putting together awesome spreadsheets of all the different expenses. Any expenses that I encourage, you know, for attending meetings or anything like that, is paid 100% that's called currency labor. Something new this time is expenses from the fire department. I've seen the bodies of probably the flushing out colors and stuff. So Stefan, I think, would keep all of those records. Even the engines, you know, the pumpers and things like that. There's an equipment sheet. And Sharon has that. She's already figured all of the equipment that we have. So you get a certain rate of pay, I think a dump truck's like $75 an hour plus a driver. So. Stefan, were you able to hear that? I was. I've been putting the fire truck in with our worksheets for the highway department, in which truck it was, so that we can get all that information to get reimbursed for that as well. Thank you. And you still do your cheats, right? You're dealing with logs, which is awesome. That's going to save you, because it gives the truck the amount of the equipment. Sharon can better put that on the spreadsheets and the hourly rates and the hourly rates include the French benefits. So that's good, too. You're not just getting the hourly rate. We're getting the benefits, French benefits. We'll get the insurance to get through here, you know, whatever. So that's sort of like, he's got any questions for me other than I'll do whatever with him. And Martin, just so you know, I'm keeping track of every road individually. So every road, the material, the labor, everything's being done individually. So you need to know if you're reaching that threshold for mitigation. Come see me and we'll figure that out. But it's all going to be on the bus. That will include pay as well. Yeah, anything you need to know about the insurance that we're getting close to the finish? Yeah. The only thing that I can first be going over is the intent of all of this, mother's money for sure, the intent over a workbook to be inspired to be put into a box over it with many other kinds of that box over it and it's probably not going to reach that level for it. So did on your book, did you embrace the public with what side of the tunnel are you in? One over, it's kind of gone back in at the same side, the one over there. We saw the outside, one side, and the big one was a state book holder that we had on. So we put the two more where we can get people out that night. So that's going to eventually come back out and we'll get them both right from the bottom. So we may have, we may have quite a concern on where we're going to come in and what could be the likely to have hydro-optics. So we wanted to just be up there and hang around after some hydro-optics. And not a blast. Ready? There's waiting to come in. Thank you.  They're well, you know. Yep. What do you mean when they drive by the truck? Do we know if it helps with that? Well, this plug, yes. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, even the truck. Yeah, the truck, yeah, it doesn't work. The only thing that's not reimbursable as far as that is gas, because that's included in the use of the truck. Right. Any questions for Cheryl or Cheryl on this? All right, Mark, good to go. The initial emergency days, we had contractors, got everything opened up, so people could get out, thank you. So we wanted to go to the initial e-mail saying, leave at 10, we're off just past the road. Basically, it's been all the way. Got the second e-mail saying, it's okay to get to the back, because that's the mission. The pits are all material, so waiting for them to make enough, but it didn't work that things could do as much as we were ourselves and it's possible and in essence, being kind of more to charge to e-mail or is that, I just get to talk to her. I mean, I'm gonna have to hire a process to do that again, but. Why don't we think about that and why don't you decide, think, all right, what are we gonna be able to do aside from our normal stuff that we need to get done prior to winter and are we gonna have a time to do this certain amount of work. And probably there's not a lot out there for contractors right now either, so. But I think it'll be a combination of the two. Obviously, you're gonna need, like I said, you're gonna need trucks. Nothing goes very smooth, so you'll need some help. And we'll have to, I think start with the projects that are, stuff the more that we don't have to change if we can go back to the original sizes, but it sounds like we should have a hydraulic test on all those, Brooks could have decided to move up the size anyways. So, I mean, I get that started once you have a hydraulic test, I think from there you can, so I was, if you have time or if there's a contractor that can do it. I was connected to him to say that he's very knowledgeable on what you can do and what you can do and what you should be doing. So, he was actually in remark during this firing. Where is he at? Mid-west, somewhere? All right, so I got Tim from Bacon and then we have the other guys. Okay, all right, so Martin will try to hunt that guy down and then find out what we can do and what we can't and just try to get a line in the sand where we can begin. You're also on the video process for the projects and wonder if you're hiring these guys to finish off or you're doing three more. But it does have to be this. Even if it's email, it's fine. It has to be proof of it. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it could be the one who did it before. You know, if you get the bid that's needed to come in and you say, well, keep up the word. You know, we did a good job. This is what I feel, you know, doesn't necessarily have to be the lowest bid. If you can get the process in the near future. Yeah, it will be in the verbative stage that I say that I want it to be required. It was not required. No, it was not required. I think it's on the input line. Yes, yeah, it's just going forward now. Yeah. Good. Well, Cheryl, thank you very much for coming tonight and for your time. Cheryl Lynn, thank you. Nice to see you, Cheryl. All right, Martin, you're up now with the grader. You want to come on forward? I'm going back and forth with these two, but I think my recognition is that we have kind of a grader, not the original 140. It's a 150 that we're calling after cancellation. Same size machine, just a little more horsepower, comes in at three, 94, 900. The calendar was 392 on the nose. The calendar, obviously we haven't signed anything paperwork-wise, so it would be six months from today would be best case scenario for the machines would be looking at spring. This cap on 50 is being built as we speak and should see it by the middle of October when it's closed today, it was all made sure. So that's going to be what I recommend unless somebody has any questions or have any of that recommendation. Any motion? John, was there any questions prior? Here. Fine. Well, it seems to be great. We've got a bar, actually. John, you're the grader that we're currently using. It's trouble-solving with the circle. So we knew there was going to be an issue. So. It depends a lot. Yeah, hopefully in the last few weeks, because that's a lot. I hope so. Yeah. I think we have to see. We'll have to hold that in our books. Yeah, that's great. I mean, it's very encouraging. There was a $2,000, yeah. So there's the expense that we'll have in the more expensive machine we will be in this trade. We will be keeping our original credit plow because they're standard. It's a credit plow when there comes with a John Deere or Katz. Right here. Credit plow. Does that include the trade in? Yeah, that's after trade. Yeah. That's a no thank you. Okay. It's after trade and we keep our original plow although there's nothing wrong with it. Yes. So. Any through-in defenders? Didn't change the trade or came and looked at the machine and that it was a much better shape than we had anticipated. So we threw in $20,000 in defenders on this contract machine that didn't have them or anything. So I think it's a pretty good deal. I think it will be, I think we'll see it on the back end. I mean, we'll trade it in. I think it will be holding it in. I think it will be holding it's value better and I like the circle design. They're similar. I mean, they're half of the trades are traders but I like the circle design on the Katz better than the John Deere. Anyone can drive it? It will be. Well, anybody go possibly me. I'll go. It's going to need to go instead. Also, yeah, over 15. So we're going to buy in the next one. Yeah, we're going to be able to learn for everybody. But I suspect the younger generation won't be able to pass in the night long. There's so much electronics in that, though. Can you just go in and turn it on and set it? Yeah, I didn't forget it. Drive it and move it in the water and everything. So yeah. So, did you want to make a motion on that? I make motion to proceed with the purchase of a Katz 150 greater at a purchase price of $394,900. Deliverable sometime in October. Second. Thank you, John. Any other further discussion? All in favor? All right. All right. The only other question I had was regarding vacation and sick time. So it's shaping up that we're not going to possibly be.  I mean, we need to have no time and stuff. But it's quite awful that we're not going to be able to schedule. I mean, we're August and we all have a fair amount of time. Definitely going to put us behind. I just wanted to find out if we'll be able to roll over time. So we have it left. I mean, we'll do our best to get it used. So I think now we roll over what? Three days is that's in the policy. Why don't we see where you guys are? I mean, I don't think anyone's really objects to it. We certainly want you to try to take time off.  But also there's work. We all have work to do. So we'll work with you on that. But don't try to stack it up. Let's try to use it. Yeah. I don't know if we'll figure something out. I mean, we certainly didn't have that.  One of the material from the parking lot. We've been taking the best of that material to our pit. And working at the lower screen. I think that'll be a material that's not ideal. It's not great for two or three. But I think for class four, if you maybe be able to get some material down where you need it, it's a little good with that. But it's going to take time to make that happen. Pretty good. Well, thank you. Anything else you got? Thank you, Elster. Martin, you guys. Thanks, Mark. Thank you very much. All of you guys do. You're welcome. All right, Ms. Corey, how are you? You want to roll on up? So I'm here to sort of give some updates on timefall and sort of what we've been doing in terms of searching for a custodian, some ideas that I have to share and options. And then the only thing I'm really looking for guidance on tonight is sort of what to do about the era now while we operate without the custodian position being filled. But all the other stuff to me is just starting a conversation for you guys to think about in the weeks ahead. So I posted the custodial position twice on Prep Forge Forum, and it's also on the town website. I have one person reach out, but we failed to meet on three separate occasions. And then when I reached out, again, I haven't heard anything back. So that doesn't seem to be the point of the honor. And this is sort of has been familiar to me because of the library assistant position also being sort of short number of hours. It's just a hard thing to find the right person for. So I don't know that like paying for a classified ad. I don't know if that's the right next step because that's money and I'm not sure they're going to get the same kind of results or not. So that's what's been done so far. So in trying to think about, well, as we move forward, as we're trying to rejuvenate this building into a community center, multi-purpose library services, private events, community programming, what's sort of the future look like in terms of that building maintenance and facilities management.  And the first option is really something that Sashi even brought up right at the beginning of like. And one has been done in the past. I only get forward topics. Thanks. Which is to just try to hold this job into some other part-time position. And I spoke with Nicole, our library assistant, and she was willing to fold these responsibilities to an ad in about two hours a week. So it'd be 11 hours total for that. For the two positions, I think it makes sense to keep them in separate positions and not make the tasks part of the library system. So if you look at that and increase paid or roughly what the custodian position is advertised at in 1945 an hour. So I just used 20 for an easy math. They're looking at roughly 1,500 for the year to manage the space, maintenance, repair, cleaning, and rental coordination, along with supporting the library with the current tasks that she does for her nine years. Currently, she gets about $8,000 for the year for her nine-hour-week library assistant position. So that's kind of option one in terms of the investment you can make into the space in making sure it's maintained and managed and rentable. For instance, there was a light dependent light out before we had a private rental. And it was actually custodian Don and his son-in-law came and changed the book. Thank you. So the other option, which is maybe a bigger picture at all of our term, is to just consider a facilities manager position for all the town buildings. I know when it first started, there was an effort to sort of take stock of all the town buildings and create a maintenance plan and a schedule for it. This would obviously be a larger investment, but it would probably be more efficient to have somebody that's in charge of making sure all three buildings get cleaned. Am I right with only three town buildings here? I know the town garage was interested in being cleaned. And I was just facing the hours that I dotted down as a hypothetical as it's 88 hours a year, roughly, for the town hall custodial tasks. So I think that type three is about 240 hours per year. But that might create a position that's a little more attractive to somebody. Or maybe there's a property management company and that would be less expensive. I'm not really sure. I didn't really have time to cost any of it out. I assume it would be more expensive than option one. But in the end, it just might work better. And then I put out some big question marks, because those are kind of the two paths I saw forward. But I'm interested here if there are other ideas or thoughts around how to get these duties completed and performed. Just something to mull over for the next meeting before I have to think about it. Yeah, no, it's hiring people. It's hard. I mean, any position we've had here in town, where we have one coming up, limited hours, and even we pay pretty good. It's still hard to get people. So combining. It takes $22. Ben and Jared's going to work with their suit fashion. I learned that from my daughter. Do you work in there doing that? No, she should be. My girls did that for a few years. I mean, it's more of the custodian is more of just, you know, someone's clean in town. And some people just take dealing with them clean, making sure the rental guy, the person who comes, is aware of what they have. And then when they're done doing the walkthrough, they let them in and out. Set up tables. Set up tables. Actually, I did want to point out the top of this sheet is I just sharing that time commitment of an example of private rental. We just had one happen on the 29th. So you'll see it took approximately 12 hours of work. Consider one on the time. And right now we're charging $175 for a non-resident four hour fee. So in terms of thinking about the future options and how they might bounce out in the budget, it may be worth revisiting the fee set up, too. Are you getting more inquiries into the use of the building? I'm sorry. Are you getting more inquiries into the use of the building? Yes, not a ton, but definitely. And actually, we do have one kind of exciting use. There's a martial arts group that will be hosting weekly classes there. And so that's going to be an ongoing use. That's actually one of the here and now questions I have hoping to get some guidance tonight. I'm sort of cleaning for that use. But yeah, I would love to hear any quick thoughts. If these are the right directions to be going. And I'll obviously spend more time researching them or if there's another option I know I'm going to do with that. If I was going to mention actually in the anticipated income town hall event, we'll actually have more of a share of this just with the martial arts guy going to be, you know, he's going to be, you know, it's what we were expecting for three months or four days. We did we're doing a six month trial with us and it's going to be a two month increments. Right. What was that again? Well, I would have to because he's a grass of it. So that's really we're just trying to we don't need to make that up. It's just good.  I love I think we're just going to keep the building used and keep the cobwebs out of it. I think your option one is probably something that we can we want to consider in the shorter term.  I mean, two new assistants ago. It was a year and a half before we had our library assistant position. Right. And so this kind of actually helps both. You know, there's a win-win that helps you keeping an assistant because you can pay or give her more hours and possibly more, more per hour and if you think about more responsibilities, certainly I think that's more to I don't know $20 an hour is where it needs to be. But certainly there's something there that I believe that we can work with. And I'm kind of assuming this would sort of be next year's budget. So that's sort of my last, the last bit of time that I went to that was just between now and then, like how should we handle it? Because I definitely didn't mind stepping in for this last private event and helping set up the tables and chairs and performing some of those duties. But I don't, you know, I don't have expertise in facilities and management. I can barely keep my own house running. So I'm not really interested in it. I'm just the manager of the house. What do you want to order for now? So yeah, so I'm just not sure that I want to commit to taking that on until January. So I'm just not sure if we want to keep renting it out or we do, we have a cleaning service and they have been willing to keep the regular cleaning of the space. But they're not cleaning for the house.  Right, exactly. What I do now for the library part of setting and breaking it down and setting it up is, I think we can see on here, you know, we have four to six volunteers and takes about a half hour, which is three hours of work essentially to break it down and set it up. All right, so if we wanted to go with that way, so we're talking two extra hours a week, roughly. And how did you come up with the $20 an hour? So part of it's based on the custodial position being $19.45. And I'm assuming that that pay rate was set a while ago, I mean, it was on maybe Sasha can speak to that. I don't know when that pay rate was decided. So I was working off of that. Assuming now it's 2023, being about a livable wage rate somewhere around $23 an hour, I think, or $25. So. And what is she making now? Is it $16? She's making $17.00 and $12.00 cents. And in talking with her, she's not really willing to do the custodial work for that, given that it's already advertised as higher. Right. So again, it's definitely something you can consider. And I can come back in a few meetings. I'm not, I don't feel like you have to make a decision tonight. Is there any reason why we should push it off? I mean, I don't think we're going to find anyone any different. I mean, I think we're going to come around to the same thing. I don't think we have so many that might be willing to do it. But you know more about the budget. I mean, water, I think it's been a long one. I think there is still separate town hall part of the budget. Yeah. So I don't really know what's in there for any of this, but that certainly is in the budget now. So. Now, as far as the setup, you've got something that she can handle, right? So I think I'm just going to recruit some volunteers to put the library stuff away. But then she could be responsible like this last event. They needed 50 chairs and stuff. So we added that in. OK. And she could probably coordinate the volunteers and manage the level or something that would be good. But I don't know much about it. But I still don't know what it would be. Then we have 500 dollars in here. And then we have 2000 dollars in the building made. Yeah. What Sasha told me is that it's been about 80 hours a year at 1945. So that's actually no water, but it's just in the budget. Right, it's over. She's at 1712 now. Taking on these extra responsibilities. But doing again what she has been doing for the 1712. Do you think she was there when I think about 19 what I was in about 1980 per hour? I mean, I'll have to ask her. She's willing to do that. What was her? She was she was at 1712. I was in 20 as an exercise like the exercise of numbers based on the current advertised rate for the custodian plus adding in, you know, 55 cents an hour for the fact that it's 20 20 period, not whenever that period was established. Or do you want to say just 20 20s of them are going to make a difference like us? Yeah. I was just wondering on some of the other numbers we had. I mean, we're talking four months. Then we can re-budget for a year. So it's not going to do that much. Right. Well, yeah. So we can do that for 20. That makes sense with your 11 hours a week. OK. I think that's a pair for everyone. And then just quickly on this cleaning question for the ongoing right now, we have the library cleaned once and that comes out of the library budget. But when there's private events, then it follows the cleaning and comes out of the town hall budget. So for this weekly Martha Arts class, I wasn't really feeling like we needed to have it cleaned weekly after each session. But I do think that it probably needs to be cleaned more than once a month for states. So just looking to see if we can add in one more cleaning. So it's twice a month to come out of the town hall budget. That's perfect. That's unreasonable. How many times have they done it four times a week? Is that what it is? I have four times a month. Pardon me. Four times a month. Right. So I'm really looking at it. That's probably fine. There's going to be how many people will participate in it. They've just started advertising. It starts with 23rd of August. And I think you said there were about 20 people that were interested and actually signed up yet. There's a kid's class, kids and parents together, and then there's another class. And then suddenly it's going to give us all a free class. Actually, I was going to suggest maybe Don, just so the board has a really good handle on this, that you could join the class. You want me to? All right. You want me to follow up? No. But I want you to go ahead and report back. I'll see you to meet the governor and do that. Just let us know how it goes. See if it needs cleaning after. You said there's quite a lot of older people who are these classes that they've really helped them get coordinated and really in good shape. That's why we're suggesting that they're concerned. You don't want your balance on your bike, so to be, you know, like they're at 18 there. How do you get the team on the map with you all? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. That's good. Thank you, man. That's awesome. That's what you're about to say. He'd be like, you know, on the most, I think he bought us. Each match? Yeah. OK, well, that was really it. So if we had to go ahead and just implement option one, then we don't have anything to figure out. Yeah. Now in September and then we can rework budgets. I have a motion to make. You don't need a motion for this? Or are we going to be in the budget days? Yeah, we can move. I'll move to accept the Cori's recommendation of option one for a custodian manager with the existing part of our time library staff will move hours up to 11 hours per week at $20 per hour. Second. Any further discussion on that? And then seeing all of your body. All right. I don't actually have a discussion, but what if he doesn't want to do? Then we'll start over. OK. I worked this through with her. She said she's learning how to stay ready to do it. That's a good sign. Yeah. Do you have anything else on that? No, no, I mean, if you want to wait until we get further, then you can do your part. Yeah, we got Clark, we got the Mountain Bridge. Yeah, OK. I haven't seen it here yet, but I do have a town hall up there to give you that. Perfect. Very good. Thank you, Corey. Thank you. Thank you, Corey. Thank you. All right. Thank you again. Parky, sorry we're a little behind schedule, but I think I'll pass for now. They're talking to you. They're what? Talking to you. This is him. So not that. Yeah, I don't think they do it. I mean, this is the way it's going. Oh, yeah. No. You can went to you and pass it down. Rainier's. I'll give you the verbal. All of you. You've seen the map before, so it's not going to be there. So. There will be a couple of. A couple of motions. I'll be asking for tonight. One is. Revolving test bits. And the other one is. That should all be in motion, but. I have a new wrinkle. To present in terms of that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I wanted to start off by letting you know that the. Long awaited for engineering services agreement that was in process way too long was accepted. About. Seven weeks. So that's been in place for a while. The immediate. Effective that is that reimbursement is possible now, though. But it's not. It's not a good deal for services yet. So. That's not moved points, but it's a good time. The grant writing. This. Go back to the 3.3. Million dollars that. More talented before. For a grant for this project. Is someone on whole. Emily packet. The grant writer. Is basically this way we can test it later. So that needs me to the next. Update. And that's the update view in terms of. Where. Stakes have been put in to. To note where we're going to be being test bits on a couple of pieces of property. So. One on 25 mode. And also up here behind that school chair. And if you want to take a look at the map. That's the second piece down there. And just. About what we're looking at here. This bill. Kind of. So if you'll hold it so that. The white borders at the bottom. And I'll sort of start from the top. Where it says route 100 B and see where we're kind of going through the map goes to the top. Where the X is, that's the. Upper valley services property that was seen as a possibility. For a site. That was walked by audit. Three numbers of it can be Ray. They Western made it myself a few weeks ago. And it was pretty obvious after we got through that property. Walk from common. Road down to 100. That was a good exercise for us to do, but. It turned out that that wasn't going to be viable. If you just go a little bit further down. To the, where the other X is, that's the cover property. That's the conjunction of common road. More town mountain road. And the X is in the middle of the road. And the X is in the middle of the road. So that was a good exercise for us to do, but. It turned out that that wasn't going to be viable. If you just go a little bit further down. That's a good exercise for us to do, but. The X is in the middle of the road. More town mountain road and more town mountain road. And the X is in this case, not signified that those are properties that we're not going to be considering now for test kits. I'm going to. The question mark, which is over there on the. To the left of where the local valley services is. I'm going to be getting to that in a second. The, the other. The, the, the. That's where the circle is. That is where the school. System is at this point, stakes have been added there. And the other circle that's over to the left is the, Stevenson property out on the farm road. So those are the two sites that will be. We're going to get the test kits and for sure that's. We have decided to pursue those two spots. The. Then I do want to talk a little bit about how we're going to get the test kits. Doug. But I want to update you on the sites first. And then that will go to that. So I'll start with the question mark that's up there. Next up the valley services. That's the bullsack meadow that's off. Murphy road and borders the river. When you cross the. The bridge when you leave the village going north. That's the meadow that you see in the, and they've been running. You've cows on there. That made them up into summer for the last. Probably eight or nine years or so. And the soils there have always come up on the soils map is getting a possibility. So when the committee and auto creek was taking a look at the sites. A few weeks ago. I wasn't there, but Ray David Westerman and. And Robert bark and the hydrologists from auto creek went over and sort of stood along the edge of the meadow there on. Murphy road and kind of looked over and kind of take a look at because if you. That meadow has two tiers. The one that's next to the forest in the area is the higher tier and that there's a. There's another tier that goes down before it gets to the river. And it turns out that those, there are some building sites in there that the bozaks have established and they're actually that the test fits. For the area. So there's already data that's available there. And we discovered this after the, the meeting when David went over and talked to Bill and Mary about, you know, just like reminding them about what the community is doing. And wondering whether or not this is something that, you know, they might be interested in pursuing their initial reaction was not, you know, they weren't interested. They felt that these are residential sites that they were planning on selling at some point. And having the test fit data available, you know, obviously. That was available for them to start that process whenever they wanted. So, you know, one of the things that came up in that discussion was my possible sales price and they felt like what they will be asking might be, you know, significantly more than might be, might, we might be able to bear with the project. But in fact, it may not. So another discussion with them maybe forthcoming and we need to have another meeting with other creep to see whether or not, because they're going to take a look at, they can pull the test data and see whether or not it's, you know, it seems viable to continue that conversation and kind of take that down that road. And so there's either an interest for or not from them. So moving on, if you'll, the other circle that's there is sort of in the lower right hand corner of the property. And that's off South Hill and for those of you that may be familiar with this, that is town property. That's part of the town forest. I was initially not very optimistic about that and frankly, mostly it was because I wasn't really familiar with the, with where that borders on South Hill, but Ray and David Westerman and Robert and hydrologist went up there and took a look. And in fact, the, the slopes and the soils that there might be pretty good. So this raises a significant collecting and dilemma because if the count is willing to have test fits dug up there to ascertain whether or not the soils are adequate. There's lots of issues here. There's the town forest plan. There's a distance from the village. And the sessions with auto creek and with them, we hack it with the state. A couple of things have come up that we were not aware of word possible from an engineering perspective. It's actually possible to. And I may not be using the right term and rate, you know, jump in here. If I'm overstating this or getting the right wording is that it's actually possible to create a, to put piping up there without excavating a, from here in the village all the way up there through the forest, you can actually go underground with a drilling mechanism that would be able to run pipe that far on the village up to that site. And the pipe would only, would barely be to be a foot underneath the ground because anything that's pumped up there would drain back after it was pumped. So there's no need to be below a frost mine or anything like that. So we have, and that's one of the sessions we need to have with our creek in terms of its viability in terms of, because it could be proposed as a solution and an engineering solution could come up, you know, and that's the next step for the cost.  And that's right. That's right. So anyway, so it's, you know, I don't want to say that this is, I don't want to overstate this that, that it's, you know, what kind of disturbance there would be in terms of the actual construction and the, and what we would be looking at that site up on the top of next to South Hill. But it, it, it sounds like it's, it's a, that if the soils are reasonable up there and extensive enough that it might be an option worth pursuing, but in order to do that, that we would need permission, you know, the select quality to grant permission to do the test fits up there. Now that may or may not be enough information at this point to make the decision. And I don't know enough about the forest plan that's been going on and whether if it's, it is extensive to this entire lot or a portion of it. So I wanted that, but it's, it's a, but it seems like a viable project and Ray, I don't know, is there anything else that you would add to that other than what I mentioned about that site? No, I think you kind of, I think you hit a pretty well car. Yeah. It's pretty well covered the boring up the hill is a distinct possibility. As far as permanent disturbance, I don't anticipate a lot, but during construction, there would be some disturbance. Once it's done, it's done, it's over. Then it's just a maintenance thing after that. So that's one of the, you know, obviously a lot of new information for not only select work, but for the folks that have been working really hard on the forest plan. And I know a bit about this, I know that. John Smelter has been involved in, you know, it's come up through any commission meetings as well. So. That is, and if we're able to, depending on what we find out when we get information from the best fit, and at the Bozak property, whether or not the town is willing to do some tests, it's up on South Hill.  Developments that that we were not aware of. So between Ray and I, we can try to answer any questions about the test location at this point. And, you know, we're happy to take feedback or information regarding the property that the town owns. What was this about right there? Oh, that other part that that's, um, Dave and Elvis property that was considered. So yeah, I should have crossed that out. Sorry. That's straight little dot there. Yeah. That's not a consideration one thing. Well, that's big. Yeah. Like right on the property. Well, no, I mean, we're the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is John. It's that would probably be more of a little bit further south on South Hill. And yeah, so that, and that's the sort of thing that. I mean, actually Ray, you were. The town property that's up off South is border South Hill. Is all of that relatively in the same slope? Or is it. Very in that area. Yeah, it's pretty level. It's, you know, It's sloping towards South Hill. Um, once you get in their ways, obviously you're, you're coming down the mountain at some point, but we're not going to go that far. The, uh, the leech, the disposal field to be on the level apart of the property up there. So right now we have scheduled. Um, Stevenson's and then the school property corrector. Yeah. Um, I think we should probably go ahead and do the town property up there. Um, while we're doing it just because it doesn't make sense to come back in six months. After we decide that that's a good idea. Four hours directly. So $200 or whatever it was. Yeah. So, you know, I think it's all. Regardless of what happens in the long term for this project. I mean, I think we've talked about this entire time. It's, it's information that, you know, this is data that we don't have. I mean, I think we should probably go ahead and do the town property up there. While we're doing it just because it doesn't make sense to come back in six months after we decide that's a good idea. Four hours directly. Yeah. So it's just, it's the data that we don't have. And whether it's, you know, a private property owner of town property, well, this is information that we'll have that there may not be useful in the future, but at least we'll have it.  Yes. When started the Bozak property, so you already have tested data. So technically you need more fits. We don't know a larger scale. Yeah. It depends on what the data is showing. Yeah. It may be that there's enough information there because it, and it could be that they didn't go deep enough. Right. Need to go a little further down and get some more horizons there. Yeah. They're obviously talking about a residential. Right. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of the other dilemmas there is like how to get across the river. Yeah. That came up a couple of times. There's various solutions. Some are, you know, a lot of different ways to get across the river. Yeah. And then you know, we can go to the river. Yeah. You know, you can get across the river. Yeah. You can get across the river. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be. Yeah. If we can dig those test bits on. Down property. We can get the creek back here to go up there. Put those stakes in. And as far as using. I think that's probably a better option than our. Okay. Yeah. Does that. I mean, Ray, check into them. Was it, I think, was it last week or the week before you after the break? We talked last week. For the many as 15 hour. I think that's a, that's a great deal for us. Okay. $50 an hour. And they'll be a little extra. Moving it, but. They're really friendly people. They'll be. They'll treat us right. I'm sure of that. Okay. I'm just going to go. I've already asked the state whether or not we'd get reimbursed for that. I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't, but I, you know, I'll confirm that and make sure that either, you know, that that's something that. That would happen. And. Yeah.  So those are. Yeah. Test bits. I'm checking in about using. Ray, do you know how long, how much longer is it going to be working on the project here? They'll be. In the park a lot until the end of next week. And then they'll start the. The actual gravel wetland area. After that. So they'll be here the rest of the month for sure. Most of the. It's going to go, it's going to go probably. It's going to be. Second week in September. Oh, okay. So we got a little bit more of a window there. Okay. Okay. Great. So the last thing I wanted to do is. And first of all, I have been talking about this and you talk about this and we went to the. And put the stakes on the property. Is that there's a landowner. And the landowner permission form that needs to be signed off on. So it's, and I'll need the town to do that for that. Test bits and I'll bring that in. But at the end of the week, I'll be down tomorrow. And part of Thursday. And. And Chris, you had some concerns about that. And I wasn't able to. To review the document adequately enough to make, to be able to give it a proper sum of me. So if you'd be wanting just to kind of share your concerns about that and we'll just. Okay. Yeah. So like. Yeah, so. The letter is. Put out. Get some last. This. Yeah. I mean, you've been willing to participate with this town project. This isn't like our goal in a life. So. I just wanted to say that. So when I saw a piece of paper where I really should get a lawyer involved. I got nervous. Yeah. I'll leave that. You know, this optimization gets under the last seven years and has gotten to identify. All underground utilities and structures and the location. My site. To identify these to represent it and a lot of ability. But for Jack, I'm wrong and all of a sudden now I definitely want a lawyer. But I don't see what's just rewarding that because there's a lot of, you know, really, I think I'm working with a town consulting firm. And I think really we just want to make sure that I can, we can disclose what we know about the property, but other than the deed that we purchase. And you know, what, you know, I get hearsay and things, but you know, I have no reason to suppose anything else is going on there, but I can't be reliable to information that I don't even know them right. So those were began for me. And then I started redlining it to say I wanted to make sure I got a copy of the task because I was told to get that I want to make sure that if it's not step in digging and I don't know who it is and I would either the data.  So I think really where you brought it back, though, is the point that I don't need a contract with other people necessarily the town and I prefer working together and then I, my relationship. I think that the other guy on that thing is with the town. And my liability is whether the town is something right or wrong. Again, I haven't seen soft counsel on this. You know, I'm not sure it's worth doing that for us. So I'll just stop talking. Yeah, so the, and I don't know whether this is, you know, I guess it's a wrinkle I'm not quite sure what to do with it but, you know, recently, we were pretty sure that's going to be doing the excavating and now, you know, it looks like we probably will be looking at an outside firm. So I suspect that we probably ought to check the pool and as well Ray about, you know, whether or not they need a document signed and what it might look like for them. Is that makes sense. So, so pulling would have to call in their own dig safe and get their name on the ticket directly. As far as the utility location. As far as anything else, I don't think, you know, other than, I don't think we need anything signed from them, or they need that we already have and they're already insured with the town for them. You know, they're already have proof of insurance so we're covered on that, no matter what they do in the town. So, as far as I know. They just have to do their own dig safe. So we need three or four days notice for them to do that. So just remind me with it safe. I thought that they did say they would they only surveyed within the right of way, or if they contract with someone will they basically survey wherever you want them to go is that the case. Kind of a general term because they're there are other underground locators as well. That go out go outside the right away and they say. They are.  Most of the time it's within the right away, but sometimes it's up to. Like on a power line up to where the cable comes down. So, or up through the meter or however way you want to put that. Can you check with dig stick I mean, can you check with cool and then see, you know, how they'd like to proceed proceed with that right. And then I can certainly. Okay, I can certainly I can certainly do that tomorrow. Because we might be able to figure out, like, what are those states are Chris, you know, where things would cross and we could just, you know, say that that way. And I mean, back to Chris's question on the document. I mean, and we can even eliminate this sentence failure to identify these relieves that represent of any liability. I mean, I think those are the things that should concern with most right there right. Yeah, read my red line. Yeah, I mean, I certainly want to be held liable to information I might have. Right, you don't know as long as. Um, you know, we, they're you, if everyone's the best of their ability. Big safe or using dig safe.  Yeah, but I think working with, with those guys are raised and pulling dig safe. And then the board would be willing to work to make sure that you're not held liable for something you're not aware of. So what I even need to sign a document that is so unfair. Well, that's what I, that's what I do. That's what I do. That's exactly right. That's necessary. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's pretty much. Yeah. If they're broke and still oil on that field. And also wanted to get cleaned up. So liability really is on town. If the project is wrong and I don't want to be supported and not. But for me to get really articulate with the language. I'd rather get no language, honestly. I'll come up with a, with a device. Yeah. Okay. And I'll check. I'll send it by. So, you know, again, engineering services was accepted grant writing and grading the data. We're hopefully going to be setting up the dates. It's up to the auto creed to set up the dates because they have to work with the state and have a couple of people from there. Archeology has to come through and clear the sites as well. If you have to happen up on the hill as well. And. Yeah. And this is goals. Well, no, oh yeah, thanks. So radio facilities manager for the district is going to come and take a look at it probably on Wednesday. I'm. I'm sort of prepared in some respects, not to get to get a little pushback at that point, because with the site that's up there, it has to be, there has to be an alternative site that's, that's identified with this plan. So if you, if you want it, it doesn't really make sense to dig in. In their alternative site because at some point that may have to use. So we, we, and we don't know where that is. Because we don't have that. The drawings. We actually have some drawing, but nothing that detail. So Ray's going to have to take a look. And on the. He's actually going to indicate on the, on the stakes that are up there, whether or not it's in the. Accessory. Right. It's in their back. Yeah. So it is normal. We don't know that. We'll have to explain. Consider fields down here. Yeah. So the other thing that, you know, with VIX, the question, is this that anymore? And their facility underneath the soccer field, their wreck fields up in the school. However, they're on top of a lot. And we're on play.  But it's. Now I'm going to paraphrase the hydrologist, but I'm not going to paraphrase the hydrologist. I'm not going to paraphrase the hydrologist. I'm not going to paraphrase the hydrologist. I'm not going to paraphrase the hydrologist. I'm not going to paraphrase the hydrologist, but you could put a hundred feet out there, but where that, where that ends and where that next horizon. Starts. If it's closer than eight inches. It doesn't matter. If it's a foot, you could put it in there. But if it's only if you're big, basically, if this is play, you could put a hundred feet there. But once you get it, but if it gets to that point, and then over the top of that play, play in a naturally occurring, you know, it's, it's, you know, it, you know, does it make practical sense to most of us? Probably not. I understand it from a, from an engineering perspective, but it is frustrating from other perspective. Cause yeah, it would be, you know, having an elevated playing field with some dancing, dancing up there. So kids, you can fall. It's okay. It's quite kind of neat, but I think it's going to happen. So that's not a limelight. We'll say that. As far as the rest of the town property, I just want to remind everybody that it gets a lot of views by townspeople. And in essence, it's really their decision. We'll be bringing that in terms of the forest management plan, we're bringing in. And we will be holding a forum. We have to talk about when that could be. And environment townspeople. And, and so. I don't have a problem with the test pits, but certainly we have to be very, very careful. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like you mentioned that, John. I mean, and on the other side of things. That if. If the town was supportive of that, not only from a leadership perspective for most of the town perspective, citizen perspective that it would, if we, that could be an enormous savings on a project in order to be able to use town property as opposed to by property. So anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are, those are questions that we'll have. So. Looking at the bigger picture of this. Is this the system? How is it funded? Is it user funded? Or is that everybody for it? I mean. The only reason sometimes gets to where it's because they are fully user funded. Right. You have to look at all of your lines. Who's repairing their lines. Who's qualified for repair your lines. Or you're going to have to create a full entire position with someone qualified. To fix these lines. When they fail. Because they fail. A lot. And then you have angry people when the lines fail. I mean, the only reason sometimes gets to where it's because they are fully user funded. Right. That's how. Yeah. A lot. You have to look at. All of your lines. When the lines fail. More often than not. Then you have to look at your billing, your billing rates, interest. The amount of added costs on office staff and doing that. Whether you're doing it monthly or quarterly. It's time consuming. And I know because I do billing every three months. I do a sewer and water. Every day. It's time consuming. And then I do a sewer and water. So. Who's going to be on your leaders. As a town by meters. Individuals buying. If the individual is buying leaders. So you've got to break somewhere. The meter's not working. We're responsible for that. I was like, I'm aware. How are you affected? If the town's paying more than that's a huge cost. To get those. And to get some sort of. in the process of what you're doing, how that system is going to put me in with the billing system you have. I mean, there's a lot of things, well, well, all of this is great on the small side. In the bigger picture, there's a lot of moving pieces, and are you going to figure it out? So who are you going to figure it out with to do that? And that's costly. And when you're doing billing, a meter reading is incorrect. So then you have to pay that person to come back out and check the reading, re-update it. I mean, these are all good points. These are all good points. And I think, I think you've got to give us time to put together this feasibility study. And then I think if you're not satisfied with the answer, then you can ask the question. We've talked about a lot of things we've already mentioned in our group, and they'll be addressed in the feasibility study when we get to that point. Yeah. That information will be on the design end when these things are beginning to be rolled out at the 60 and 90 percent done point that these are questions that will come up. And there's going to be a town-wide discussion on this and revoked. I mean, there's a lot. We're right at the beginning stage here. And you think Cali brings up a lot of good concerns that will need to be addressed as we move forward. But we need to kind of take steps to get there. At this point, we're just trying to find where we can do test pits and move forward, reminding us where everyone was still under state funding with this. So it's not money that's being just tossed away. And, you know, there are a lot of good reasons for it environmentally. But there's a lot of cost associated with it that we'll have to look and we'll be the balance, you know, what's, and then as a purpose of town, we'll make a decision whether we go forward or not. Exactly. I noticed probably you've been thinking about a lot of the resident have our choice. We want to be a lot of them and a lot of them will get to the point that. Yeah, that's a good question. So, you know, so, oh, yeah, there's actually more than business. So a letter put in, you know, systems and people that are contemplating that it's generally speaking, it's a voluntary process. However, and this is where I am going to be careful about describing it in detail because I don't know enough. There are some instances when depending on where someone lives and where it is designated as the floodway, that if a system fails, that if there is a municipal system that runs by, that the person is required to tap into that. But it's not if someone's system, if someone's system as far as they know is viable and the system is installed and the pipes run by, the person does not, there's not compelled to. Now, there may be a ranking on that that I spoke on, but that's. If someone's fails, they would probably want to look up to a system. I would see that. That might be the option of a long. Oh, yeah, the option for a hookup. They don't necessarily have to use it. They pay a fixed rate. Everyone for an essence, having access to the hookup. They don't have to use it, but where this is going to be. Yeah, that's way far away from that. But yeah, these are all legitimate. Chris, which specific to the test pits and account for personal, I was just going to point out that there are some features that we wouldn't want to have an excavator go over up there. So some cellar holes in rock wall. I can't remember exactly what's particularly out there, but it would be, I would suppose that like some of the direct committee and Mike from birds. I'd be involved in just the flagging and access to the test pits. So I generally support it. And ironically, that's one of the areas where you get part of this. So yeah, it might be cleared around any way or can you send can you send me his son information? Yeah, that can be great. Because it will be. OK, yeah, just let me, you know, give me the contact information. Yeah, I was ready. OK, and I want to make a motion. Feel comfortable having this official. So I don't make a motion that we allow the more town wastewater committee to have test pits done on the town property border in South Hill. And for the discussion of motion. All the paper go right on. Right. OK, cool. Thanks all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, right. Thank you, right. Thank you, everybody. Good night. Right. All right, so next over the line here, we're a little bit behind. We have the mountain tree, the mountain road tree. Where is the mountain tree? Is he appearing for us? Or is this the blodger? Yeah, the blodger. We need them. So let's see, we've got a couple here from. Thanks for the staff. Appreciate it. It's a good influence. Well, thanks. Well, sorry, John. OK, so firstly, let's see. So that's that's that's not your name. Yeah, Ben, come to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. And he said, I only need to cut brush or the tree rather and not deal with any of the wood or brush fifteen hundred dollars. And if we have to remove the brush, then 19 fifth. And it's not being sure it works for its notes. His is three thousand. And he says three is to be safely dropped. We have aerial lift, climbing and rigging, all brushed to be chipped and removed, so on and so forth. So, you know, the wood is going to be taken by. Jack Martin, that's a guy, Martin. So are they? Yeah, if I were to read it. Yes, it would. So it's a pine tree. Yes, yes, so he'll take you out, you know, we don't, we don't. So that's three thousand. And then three words. This is going to work for fifty four hundred. Yeah, I go with fifteen hundred and just leave the brush. Yeah, yeah. So it sounds good for everybody. Yeah, I think that's what we originally thought was basically dropped three and you have to move whatever's there. Yeah, yeah, that's right. The other guy's going to take the. Right, he can do what he wants with it. Yeah, on his property. Yeah, I mean, I go as high as the nineteen fifty to get rid of the brush. But if we just leave it there, let's just leave it. Yeah, a little biodegraded. It's good for them. That thing actually is good, too. Is that the guy? Oh, he's really got it. He's really wants to be in my house. Yeah, he's going to choose. OK, he did something behind him. So I'm going to rise to this. All right. Yeah, you're a nice guy over there. Yeah, anybody else. So I'm going to make the most of this. I just made one. There's one. I don't know who it is. Second, working. Oh, any further discussion on it? All in favor. All right, all right. Yes, you know. Yeah, very good. All right, so there's no one else online. I just want to make sure there's anyone that's having comments. We have reports, communications, Sasha. Little mess. No, there's not one today. That's a real mess. I got that. Well, yeah, which one? I want to communicate. You know, I've tried all of her. I haven't been. That's too bad. Yeah, but anyways. But I don't really need to compare. But she started a new coffee business. So you guys knew that. And yeah, she said. Yeah, and when she was hired, she knows that's what she said. She was she roasts copies where her her license places roast if you're wondering what that meant. Not just that she was getting roasted. But. Not the same. It's right. She and a couple of weeks ago, she started her. Her open to coffee business, which is located at the junction of 17. And 100. So little. Moveable building type thing. Right across from the old mountain. Yeah, I know. I know your time. Where the. Where he used to be, but there's a cannabis shop there. Yes. Coffee in cannabis. Good morning. Morning routine. She's there. Yes. Like a little food truck. Yeah. Yeah. So she started doing it already. I said last two weeks ago. I think he's there. Wednesday through Saturday or Wednesday through the weekend. Yeah. And so. I would say that's why we're moving here and she's been a great. Asset for the town. And it's really helped get our zoning back up. And unfortunately she spent the last year really. Kind of repairing what had been done along the year. For two to four. So. We will work with the. The planning commission. To try to find someone else, but I'm going to call into it. Let's see where her head's at. Maybe she'll have some time. I don't know. We won't accept the. Not tonight. So that'd be something we're going to have to maybe get back. That's an idea. I'm going to get. What was the name. I don't want to say red. She bet you're willing to help. Right. Yeah. And I think she should work with us. All right, Sasha, what's next? For. All right. You can sign those. All right. You can sign those. That's the. For. That error. You've been looking at months. One with the volume perhaps. The other two were. This is when I'm moving back and forth to different properties. They're next to each other. Okay. We will sign off on this. At the school. No changes on that. Yeah. We will sign off on this. At the school. No changes on that. Say it again. Normally.  Coll ° videos. Citizens. Spot on. So move to say De יall. Kelly seconds it. The boat is for. Harlem woods. Pardon me. For the. I Know but you know what What next meeting I'll have a recommendation for that. They're the ones that I think we all remember in March It's so funny, you know, I never heard a damn thing about freewheeling and then they must have gone on this PR blitz where Every week there's been Not recently, but for consecutive weeks. There was a lot of stuff in the Valley reporter about them and reading about them. They really do Do a good job and since you're really Support the community, so I think it's something we should Consider but let me come up with a figure based on what they asked what we have for money Because they didn't go about it the right way. They actually brought us in a petition that we did not You know the ballot, but I do think it's something we should discuss again, so we'll do that next time Sasha Robin, what do you have for Step on ask me about the ACO if we can begin moving that forward I didn't know what that process does is that any a public hearing next or something like that and more control ordinance Yeah, I we've kind of agreed on a little wordage and everything but I don't know where it goes from there And he asked me about it. I don't know what the next step is. So We know you guys are telling what's the next step, you know, I think Very good question whether that is something that we as a group just vote on or whether we need to have townwide Approval where we do something on like town meeting or something. So we will get back with you on that next meeting. Okay, good The only other thing I had is the lady who came in last week and we were trash in the Taylor Street I Somehow been bypassed and no one has removed your track. So he reached out to me today. I Don't even want to ask Martin and the guy is Bring a motor over there. I don't know what to tell you how much is there There's a good amount. She said there wasn't she didn't have the ability to put it into the dumpster of arrows She's thought that the nuster is full to begin with but it's all like soaked in water long So it's not a huge amount, but it's enough where And I think we're either gonna need an excavator or let me pick it up and dump it in with something the back of a dump truck Or bring it to the landfill Yeah Pretty sure from what I've heard if you have a dumpster to get reimbursed You have to have someone watching what's going in it You know Yeah, they said all those those rags on that. Yeah, I'm just not sure what direction we go in Yeah So I didn't know I mentioned it's a software and said what something we have to tell Martin to go and deal with it.   So it doesn't appear to be like, you know massive But she was right at the top of terrace by the roadway Yeah, so a little questionable about how much damage she could have actually had that high up on the road in that particular location But yeah Yeah, he's pretty far off from the river and nobody else down there But we already made a commitment and kind of said we're gonna do something about it. So right now I'm the one that's stuck up deep in the rock in a hard place. We'll go take a look at it I'll take a look at it. I'll send some photos. I'll fill it in and off into email and then we can go from there Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I mean, I think It wasn't flood and then you know, I think it was coming Basement the runoff was just flowing into So, you know, I looked at the stuff it was pretty pretty bad shape when I looked at it I mean, it's been out there for a couple of weeks now And Because that could be considered Personal property in the female so a female reimburses the homeowner for personal property All I know is she's not here to ask for help and we told her that we do something we're checking out and then just ask for them She's getting We talked about it And have some photos. Yeah, I'm working with these on it. You know, we might be like I'm right a piece or something Yeah, that would probably be a good question for Tim. Thank you. Yeah So how I actually met Tim Baker is dealing with Pleasure three and see the drag. Okay, I'll get I'll get what I can for information on what she's got and So the other down says we filled helping people because we didn't do the fee We got three times that they were going to pick a truck on secret drive to them and that's not It's To that Well, yeah, yeah, we got it Yeah, okay, so that was my only comment on those two things All right, so you'll work that Cali. What do you have? Don Big D. Well, yeah You can do all business town barn. What we can do. Yeah, old business whatever it is here was just Well, just a quick update So we're we're moving into the design documents, you know, that's what we You know That's our next step that you improve with some funds and 25 22 525 or something Design development They're gonna want to be sending us what's typically would be an A&A form You know not protected.  I just bring them tonight But a couple of things just to keep on the radar is That I think we will is separate from this they didn't include is that we're gonna need to do a survey Or at least a topographical lot of full-blown heavy-duty survey by the top of graphical so that Because based on some of the design and work that we're gonna do we you know We're renovations to help mitigate the water instead of going in the handicapped bats and stuff We'll need it like I said deal with topographic the server that could run run about between 50 and 2000 dollars. I have two local firms that are my email to see if they had any availability and they do and I Have a sudden they're sending the drawing and then the price up them. I'll come back to you guys But if I'm with what everybody know about that's impossible. That's something Renovations might go outside of the property. Oh, no, no, no, just to get it. So it's accurate to Me you would walk you through the design, but in some of the Rear door side entrance door. There's this huge amount of water that flows there in that in the design. It's Changing the entrance around back and the handicap. Oh, it's like a million. It can't be off, but you know, we've got Exactly, yeah, and then I'd like to just get Just a non approval for I'd like to send out an RFP That I it's not quite written yet. So I've got to show it to everybody or email to everybody and this would be to Possibly look into a construction manager approach to the project rather than The other way we would get the hard design document drawings and then we would send out You know drawings to contractors to get you know firm pricing, you know a GC price a whole job Or a construction manager, you know, I won't get too into the weeds right now I'm describing what their role is but their role is that they would come in on into the job sooner Do the cost that with the construction document way that I did would have to Pay for an estimate two times the longest process which could run somewhere between three and $5,000 to get to construction estimates and then go that way which we might do just Finish the hard drawings plans and specs my track documents And then it goes out to bin or you can do a construction manager That joins the process early on so that they help not only in Working on some of the design design costing what changes could be taking place, you know So you have to pay a little you pay instead of paying for a hard construction estimate You'd have a construction manager who You manage that well, you know who just then he brings in Subcontractors and gets three prices for all the subcontractor some They have more of a vested interest than just getting They work through the whole design development and then the CDs Which is the contract document plans and specs And then I can read I have a whole list to explain it to you how it will all work But I'm walking into the weeds of that right now, but what I'd like to ask is that We have no commitment to this but to go ahead and do an RFP and send it out to a few for firms and get a proposal for this this route Then we can decide further down, you know a little bit down the road meanwhile the design documents will continue on But we bring either a construction manager on board Or we would go the other group you just finish the construction documents and do a high bid so at this point it won't It will be just my working with Peter getting an RFP out and get it you know sending it to you guys and then we have to send it out from like the did the last time So I don't want to see if that would be all right All right This is nothing that we're obligated to know It would give us a better perspective once you get it back and what that Person would do and we're in the process and then we can make a decision on if we're moving You know which way we know exactly I guess I don't have a problem with it Everyone else with several else's thoughts So The next thing just a quickie is that if the town hall The library Town hall Can share the town's zoom account instead of getting a separate that was the data counts about to run out Instead of buying another one. That's only they use it all that much Yeah, we have this one. There's isn't there's three or four people Anyone can use it and use it. I think ours comes under my name, but Anyone can you Then A week or two ago. I got a text from Karen Boyd. It was here I think it was she was at a planning board meeting. I think she's on the planning board, right? Yeah, and she was I guess the meeting was here in the late afternoon And she was sending me like, you know, whatever happened to the shades discussion I'm all getting shades because I guess the sun was blaring in there It's no one could see the screen or something or whatever. So I went to her. Oh, okay I'll remind everybody and I know that was something that we're maybe gonna Hey, we should Sasha is that something we can price out we can put into the budget this year I live talk about it several times and We've all had issues with it. I know in the summer. I do So, okay I Just like, you know, the stoping study is going on for the Gallagher acres sidewalk I Talked to clock with me the Dave Westernen because he's talked to the guy in Waterbury this about the perhaps yeah the wastewater system being connected to the Community over there and obviously we got to know about whether what that's all about because can't go for a sidewalk in it And then come along later and take it up for the story.  Thank you for bringing it to our attention No, I think I had this I did give me a blog it's when we're For an update looking for an update. So I will you know back tomorrow I'll get it done next spring Tree, okay, I always think it blocked its trucking. So no, I was like They'll log a tree. All right. Well good. I'm glad. So you really get them So I don't have nothing new to add but I will look to get the minutes for July 17th approved Thank you, Kelly there's second on that The second set all favorite go die Thank you everybody Okay, it's all business. I think we've hit a lot of And enough that we don't need to hit probably anything else here tonight That's And I know the location Probably not want to learn more but That's something Oh, you mean members Yeah, I was Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think there's be too much Sorry too many towards litigation. I mean, I don't think you'd ever back back that out of what's gone on there Yeah, I don't know We're all over it right now that the route I said But if there are other Periods It's right John you've been around was there any other places in town in the past that people have big gravel Loads Oh, yeah, I'm dredging the rivers. I mean, that's What they used to do That and The site on more John mountain Is that grand feels no, that's actually I just know her first name I What's Yes, okay Yeah, I mean everyone keep your eye your ears open people here I think all towns are kind of in the scramble I mean based on there and this was his parents that closed right or just about close Yeah And then the free willows down there like I said, we'll hit that This is really nothing else there that we can pull down. Is there anything new then anyone's Whatever they have yeah, and I think there I think everyone's gonna need to put that on there I can't do this I already told Michelle Yeah, well, I know John's up for it. He did the best On the sample everything and yeah Yeah Newbie taker I know An employee All right, so we do have a lot to sign this is the errors of an omission statement that was there John came in and signed the payroll for us but signed the one that's underneath of this first sheet Yeah, yes, whoops, excuse me Your brother Shane Oh I Spoke to run like I Mentioned to them that night that we would and that was the last I've heard about I don't know where it's gone Yeah Yes Lenny's and for the guys, how was that going? They have I was ending the sign, but you just that's you just look I Think that was much better than I used close I think that they used to get People to me They wouldn't fix them the first time so there was times that I would have to rip the pants and like Yeah, I am sure I know sometimes I look at I would I like I was pleased that we were able to get them into some clothing that looks like Sign that please I just can't use This goes on top of the pack. That's just that was something I missed last week All right Thank you