Stories and content and weird darkness can be disturbing for some listeners and is intended for mature audiences only. Parental discretion is strongly advised. Even within the realm of cryptozoology, there are creatures that seem to defy easy classification. And some believe there is a distinct line between the field of cryptozoology, which by definition deals with undiscovered organisms which are real, flesh and blood animals, that of paranormal phenomena and that of folklore. While they may at times cross paths or briefly converge, typically these fields are as different as night and day and deal with entirely different sets of phenomena with different areas of study, classifications, methods, aims and goals. Yet there are times when the gulf between them is not clear-cut, when something that on the surface appears to be an uncategorized animal evades such a simple identification. One such enigmatic beast has surely got to be the infamous Black Hellhounds, a unique category of creature so bizarre that it transcends any attempts to safely label it. I'm Darren Marlar and this is Weird Darkness. Welcome, Weirdos. This is Weird Darkness. Here you'll find stories of the paranormal, supernatural, legends, lore, crime, conspiracy, mysterious, macabre, unsolved and unexplained. Coming up in this episode of Weird Darkness, love, money, divorce, anger and murder, one Pennsylvania family had it all and then some in the late 1800s. Count St. Germain and Jacques St. Germain, John and Wayne Carter, the casket girls of New Orleans. Despite many years between all of their lives, they all still have one grisly thing in common. All were thought to be and possibly were real vampires tied to the Big Easy, a place where real bloodsuckers continue to live and roam the streets even now in the 21st century. But first, they have a long history in the United Kingdom, stalking the moors and fog-carpeted streets in the night, but it appears hounds from hell have also made their way to the Americas. We begin there.  Hellhounds in one form or another have been recorded throughout human history from a variety of far-flung cultures. And although their appearance varies depending on the area and the local traditions, they are typically described as a very large black hound which can range anywhere in size from that of a large great dane all the way up to the size of a cow or a horse. They are usually described as truly frightening beasts being totally black with shaggy or matted fur and large saucer-sized eyes that are typically described as burning with a malevolent red, yellow or green glow, although some accounts say they have only a single luminous eye. Usually they are described as having formidable claws, vicious-looking fangs and as being supernaturally agile, fast and strong. The hounds can be reported as either tangible and real or, conversely, purely spectral creatures, with any attempt to touch them proving to pass through them as if they aren't there. Folklore usually suggests that they have a horrific wail or howl which can invoke sheer terror in those who hear it and they are known to even have a sinister human-sounding laugh but that their footfalls are typically completely silent. The British Isles in particular have long had tales of such entities, with countless tales of phantom hounds which prowl the lonely roads, crypts, cemeteries and wilds here, and stories of these hellhounds go back centuries. The hounds have been known as the Gurt Dog, Padfoot, Barghests, the Hairy Hound, the Yeath and Old Shock, Old Snarlio and Old Scarf, among many others. In Ireland, they are known as Puca. On the Isle of Man, they are Moody Dew. In Wales, the Waleegee and in Scotland, the Beasley Hounds are called Sucith. The most popular and widely used term for these bizarre entities in the United Kingdom is the Black Shuck, a term which originated with the name the hounds were given in Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire, with the name deriving from the Old English word skucka meaning demon or possibly the word shucky meaning shaggy or hairy. These frightening creatures were said to be anything from the ghosts of dead travelers to the spirits of dead hounds awaiting the return of their masters, to inscrutable guardians of forbidden knowledge, to being the devil himself. The folklore and sightings of these huge mysterious hounds go back centuries, inspiring a great amount of literature and spooky history in their path. Yet these creatures are certainly not confined to the old folklore of Britain, and there are many real modern sightings and encounters with apparent hell hounds across the pond in the United States, and these have come up right into the present. We start at the Appalachian Mountains of the Eastern United States, which have seen quite a few reports of what seem to be hell hounds, especially in the states of Kentucky and West Virginia. Reports go back quite some time, with some accounts coming from as early as the late 17th century of great black dogs with glowing eyes terrorizing the region, and such accounts have continued on into more recent times. In Kentucky there have long been reports of massive black dogs measuring about four feet high at the shoulder and seven feet long, and one of these beasts allegedly prowled the area of Pike County through the 1930s and 40s, reportedly massacring cattle and sometimes even humans as well as frightening locals. In modern times such reports drew the interest of paranormal and cryptid investigators for the TV show Mountain Monsters, who went to the area for an investigation. The excursion would turn out to be pretty bizarre if inconclusive. The investigators spoke with farmers in the area who showed them torn apart carcasses of livestock and gave spooky accounts of something large and dark prowling through the wilderness. They were also shown an alleged video of the beast, as well as paw prints measuring seven and a half to eight inches long, very big for a dog. During the investigation the team built a bamboo drop cage and baited it with hog shoulders in an effort to lure it out, and although they don't catch it, they can hear something crashing around in the brush, growling and can see a large shadow. It's all very dramatic and whether the episode has any truth to it or not, Kentucky and other areas of Appalachia have still produced many reports of hellhounds. Also on the east coast is an account from Connecticut where a witness on the site, Real Unexplained Mysteries, claims to have lived in an apartment that was haunted by shadow people and the apparition of some sort of massive spectral hound. The thing would first appear one night looming over their bed, and she would describe the terrifying experience thus. I woke with it over my then boyfriend. It's very immense, stands like a human, has red eyes, long pointy nails. The hands are not like ours but not paws. It has a very unique snout, more pronounced than a canine. It's no dog but a beast. I warded it off. I had so much fear, I guess I had nothing to lose, and hovered over my boyfriend almost like a dog. Told myself, show no fear and I can't even explain the immense anger I felt. It does not speak like us but more in mind. Almost perception. I growled like in my mind and remember thinking stay away. That's when the anger swept over me. It backed up and vanished in the wall. I wish I could say it was a happy ending but wasn't. I started having night terrors, always ending in my death, every night. This report fits in well with the lore of hellhounds being spectral entities rather than physical ones, and also matches some of the stories of them feeding off of fear. What did she see? We'll likely never know. Moving up to Michigan, we also have reports of outsized canine monstrosities, and one report posted in Jason Offit's blog From the Shadows comes from the area of Romulus Michigan. The witness known as S. Castella claimed that he'd been living with his family at a cabin on a farm there at the time, which was all surrounded by thick woods that was the home of something rather unusual to say the least. According to Castella, there was some sort of dog creature, about the size of a great dame, and with glowing red eyes. It skulked about in the darkness there in the evening hours, and he would say of it, we had this really strange dog creature that would hang around the property.  It had very pronounced red eyes. I'm not saying it was a werewolf or a dog man, but it was very werewolf-like. The dog would frequently stalk the edge of the woods on our property in the day. It seemed to have no fear. My uncle would yell at it or throw things towards it to try and scare it off. It would simply rear up on its hind legs like a ram and charge at him for a short distance. We would frequently find dead chickens or rabbits after thunderstorms. We knew it was that dog thing because it would leave huge paw prints in the mud and claw marks on the window ledges. Sometimes we would find the screens ripped from our screen doors and windows. It would never outright attack us, but it did seem to enjoy taunting us and harassing us. This was all frightening enough, but it got even weirder when it demonstrated an ability to walk about on two feet for short durations and even more bizarrely began to speak, seeming to call people outside for some insidious purpose. Castella claims that his mother found him one night sitting by the window talking to the creature and would describe the surreal scene thus. One summer night my mom had left the window open in my bedroom to cool the room off so I could sleep. She was on her way to the bathroom and went by my room and heard me talking to someone. When she opened the door she saw me standing in my bed and I had apparently wet my pajamas. I was talking towards the window. I wasn't screaming or freaking out, but seemed to be transfixed and talking in a low voice towards the window. When she looked towards the window the dog had its two front paws pushed through the screen and was looking through the window at us and making a low growl. Its eyes glared red. I always recall its eyes. You could see its eyes out in the woods sometimes at night. I have bad dreams about it from time to time. The boy's mother then threw a beer bottle at the thing to chase it off, but for the next few weeks Castella allegedly displayed odd behavior and the house pets would not go near him. He would also blurt out cryptic messages such as we don't want you here, our ghosts are food, or God thinks you're bad, and would sometimes intentionally prick himself with sharp objects until he drew blood. It almost seemed as if the thing at the window had crawled into his head somehow and that this was a kind of demonic possession to an extent. The frightening ordeal would finally come to an end when his uncle hit it with a rifle and Castella would say of this, my uncle was out back working on his truck when he saw the dog at the edge of the woods making its way toward the rabbit pen. At this point he was tired of dealing with it and went into the house to get his 22. Apparently he fired at it and hit it in the rear. The dog turned and ran into the woods. We didn't see it any more after that and everything cleared up. Also from Michigan is a report from the unlikely locale of Detroit where a witness living in one of the city's suburbs claims he had an encounter with a hellhound in 2012. He claims that one evening he was driving through his neighborhood after leaving his girlfriend's house at around midnight when he saw some streak of movement coming from someone's backyard and he described it as being a very large and well-built creature. He immediately stopped his car in order to get a view of the thing and was first impressed with how incredibly fast it moved for its size estimated as around 40 to 50 miles per hour. He observed it for a moment before it streaked out a view and would describe it thus. The creature was very large. If I had to compare the size to another animal, I'd say it was about the size of an adult lion. The body type appeared to be that of a dog, although I've never seen any breed of dog this size and there are absolutely no wild or stray dogs in the area. It had a pitch black coat and while I could slightly make out the shape of its head from the side, I never saw its eyes or mouth. When it ran past my headlights initially it never acknowledged my presence. It did not turn and look at me, slow down or do anything that was directed toward me. I feel confident that if this was a hellhound it was not looking for me, but I don't know that for sure. In nearby Wisconsin we have reports emanating from a place called Meridian Island on the Chippewa River which according to a few witness accounts seems to be prowled by some sort of canine beast. One report comes from a young couple by the names of Shelley Touchstone and Chris Weiner who were at the island's boat landing looking for a secluded spot when a thick fog or mist began to form out of nowhere and which seemed to instill an inexplicable dread in them. They then heard something moving about and growling in a menacing fashion just out of the periphery of their vision as well as a large shadow as big as a bear with two pinpoints of glowing red eyes. On another occasion two men named Mike Bagazzi and Jeremy Stark were in the very same area when they too felt a sudden onset of dread and witnessed a fog congeal out of nowhere.  They only apparently managed to evade it when they got to their car and locked the doors after which it meandered off into the wilderness and vanished. These cases hit a couple of interesting points in that hell hounds are supposedly fond of areas near water and also that many supernatural phenomena seem to involve a fog or mist although whatever this connection may be is misunderstood. Going down south we have a case from the state of Louisiana in a report published by the National Cryptid Society. The report comes from the area of Robeline, Louisiana in 1995 and concerns a witness who claims he was in a graveyard looking for a paranormal phenomena. The two of them armed with crosses and an M16 which seems a bit extreme but here we are. As they pushed forward into the cemetery they allegedly heard strange growly noises and the witness describes what happened next. We shined our flashlights all over the graveyard. It was small and enclosed by a fence. I said it must be a dog tied over at the parsonage. The church in parsonage was about 500 feet away so I shined around and over in the corner of the graveyard. I saw four fresh graves. They were apart from the other graves. They had no flowers, just two big graves and two small ones marked by four iron crosses. As he went to explore we heard the growling grow louder. I said Lanny is that dog loose? I kind of felt a little safe knowing it would be hard for it to jump the fence but as we got closer to the grave the hair on my neck stood up and I got chills. My friend got the same feeling. The growls had a sound like rottweilers. They chilled you to the bone and you felt something wasn't right. We heard the snarling as we got a few feet from the grave. The growls were not part of a body. They were disembodied. Then I tried to rationalize it in my head. Is it a couple loose mean dogs outside the gate? Is it a group of coyotes? But as we shined the light this time we saw them. Two sets of glowing red eyes not attached to a body. They were only three feet away and stood guard by those graves. My friend froze in fright and pushed me in front. He was crying about leaving his gun. I said Lanny your gun won't help against this. The dogs were vicious and I said Lanny whatever you do don't run. I prayed for guidance. I had not been to church in many a year but I knew what I was dealing with was straight from hell. I looked right at them. I showed my cross and said that I know what you are. They snarled louder. My friend was really upset and wanting his mama. I said Lanny please. I said I demand in the name of Jesus Christ that you allow us to leave as we came in peace and alone. I demand this in the name of the Son of Man and victor over all that is evil.  We slowly backed up and as we got to the gate we left. This particular report seems to go overboard a bit but who knows. All the way over on the other side of the country we come to California which has a few accounts of hell hounds of its own. From American Canyon, California comes an account from a 28-year-old witness known as Jedediah who claims that one night as he was walking back from a market he heard an ear piercing howl echo out into the night.  As he looked more closely he saw that it seemed to have glowing red eyes and be entangled with what looked to be barbed wire. He would say of what happened next, at this point I was quite scared. I continued on my way home and I found myself dreading each corner, fearing another sighting of this hellish creature. I had almost made it home when the beast appeared again. This time it stood directly in my path. I was frozen with fear, hair standing up on end and I closed my eyes fearing an attack. It starts to growl, a deep, rumbling growl, one that I felt deep in my soul, one that threatens to turn my legs to jello. I don't know what compelled me to do so but I started praying to the Lord and Jesus Christ in heaven to make this beast leave. But the growling intensified, it seemed as if the growl just pulsated through my mind doing everything in its power to get me to stop praying. I continued to pray. I just prayed and prayed and prayed. As I continued to pray, the growl slowly dissipated. When I finally opened my eyes, all that was left was scorch marks where the dog stood. To this day I have yet to see the same dog or another like it so this begs the question, what did I see? A hellhound? A spectral creature? Some sort of demon? I never will know but then again I'm not sure I want to. Also in California is a case that made the rounds involving what seems like a pack of hellhounds in Palm Springs, California. In 2013 there were supposedly numerous reports of large black hounds running amuck in the streets with glowing eyes and sharp fangs. The creatures were described as having the bodies of dogs but the heads of wolves and baffled all who saw them. Apparently they tore through people's yards and even attacked a man's car to rip up his bumper before disappearing into the night to vanish. There was very little to corroborate this but it is a strange case indeed. Such creatures surely seem to toe the line between the real and fantasy where we're not really sure what we should be looking at. What are hellhounds? How can they possibly be? Are these some sort of demonic entity, wandering spirit or what? Are they misidentifications of large dogs or some wildlife? These reports seem to be beyond explanation and show that these old legends from across the world have seemed to seep into the realm of the real. Whatever they are, hellhounds have been spotted all over the world and the United States is no exception. When Weird Darkness returns, love, money, divorce, anger, murder, one Pennsylvania family had it all and then some in the late 1800s. Plus we'll make our way to New Orleans, a city full of vampires, past and present. 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The fundraiser ends on Halloween, so please give right now while you're thinking about it. WeirdDarkness.com slash Overcoming. Christina Hasler, 50 years old, grew quite wealthy from several oil wells operating on her farm in Butler County, Pennsylvania. But she was not so fortunate in her personal life. She married a man named Nordheim and had four children by him. They lived together until, for some unspecified reason, Nordheim made a murderous assault against Christina's father. He was sent to the penitentiary, and Christina secured a divorce and resumed her maiden name. In 1878, one of Christina's three daughters married a man named Harper Whitmer. They borrowed money from Christina, giving her a mortgage on the property. Whitmer later induced her to cancel the mortgage and put the farm in his wife's name and consider it her full share in her mother's estate. But Whitmer had already borrowed money on the farm, representing himself as the owner. When the loan came due, he had to continue borrowing money to stay out of trouble. Mrs. Whitmer died under suspicious circumstances in 1891. Though he was never arrested, many believed that Harper Whitmer had beaten her to death. Whitmer put the children in the care of a charitable school and left Butler County. Whitmer returned in early December 1893 and went to see Christina Hasler, presumably to ask for money. She let him stay in the farmhouse, also staying at the house where Christina's daughter Flora, who had recently married James Martin and her son, Louis Nordheim, who worked on the oil wells. Louis had been working the night of December 4th, and when he returned home at 9 o'clock the following morning, he found the house in disarray. Trunks had been opened. Boxes and drawers had been ransacked. In an adjoining room, he found his mother lying in agony, barely breathing. She had been struck in the forehead by the broad blade of a hatchet. Nearby, Flora lay dead, her throat cut from ear to ear. Christina remained alive just long enough to tell her son that Harper Whitmer had committed the murders. Sheriff Campbell began the search for the killer, and at the house of his brother, Samuel Whitmer, he learned that Harper had been there and asked to borrow his revolver. When Samuel asked why he wanted it, Harper said, I've killed two women and I want to make an end of myself. Samuel refused to give him the revolver and Harper went away. Samuel contacted his other brothers, Louis, Daniel and Peter. Peter went to town to get a warrant and the other three went looking for Harper. They found him sitting by a fire outside the home of John Calvin. As the brothers tried to convince Harper to return to Samuel's for dinner, they saw two rigs coming toward the house. Harper said that he would not be taken alive. He ran to the barn, found his son Sid and gave him some money.  He was dead by the time his brother got him back to Samuel's house. Public sentiment against Harper Whitmer had been strong, but as reported in the history of Butler County, Pennsylvania, Whitmer relieved the county of the onus and cost of the prosecution. New Orleans is an eerie place. It is gothic in one sense and dangerous in another. The city has a rich and colorful history and is the perfect place for scouting up the supernatural. New Orleans boasts a whole host of vampire, cemetery, voodoo and ghost tours which often last as long as two hours. It is known as one of the most haunted cities in America. Vampire legends are an important part of New Orleans history. Stories stretch back to France in the illustrious 1700s when there was a mysterious man who charmed the courts of Europe. The Comte de Saint-Germain was a very strange, extraordinary and enigmatic character. He was a master of the piano and the violin, could converse in six different languages, and his skills as a conversationalist were unrivaled, a skill that is nowadays a lost art. He also composed music, including arias and solo work for violin. His wealth was unfathomable. He carried gems around in his clothing and no one knew how he came into such wealth. No one knew anything about his family, where he came from, or who he was. He did, according to some accounts, claim to be a son of Francis II Rokoski, Prince of Transylvania. One of his greatest passions was alchemy, and he was believed to have an extraordinary talent for maintaining his youth. Perhaps it was his vast knowledge of cosmetics and herbs that kept him young. The philosopher Voltaire called him the man who knows everything and who never dies. No one really knew his true age. He looked about 40 in all of his portraits and continued to appear so for over half a century. Although he was charming, engaging, and graced the dinner tables of many dukes and kings, no one had ever seen him eat anything. He would only sip his wine, exquisitely, and ramble on about everything from history to chemistry. There was much speculation about the council lineage and immense wealth, which resulted in the development of many myths and legends about his background. He is considered by some to have mastered immortality, as many have claimed to have seen him since his death in 1784. Fast forward to New Orleans, Louisiana, and there appears a man by the name of Jacques Saint-Germain in the early 20th century. He fits every description of the comte, around 40 years of age with heavy money bags, the most fascinating of dinner guests, and still a complete mystery. He would throw lavish parties and invite the elite, and everyone would sit and raptured in the conversation and food. But curiously enough, this Jacques would never eat a morsel, only sip his wine. One night, several months after moving to New Orleans, he had a lady stay a bit late. Out on his balcony at the corner of Ursuline and Royal Streets, this Saint-Germain grabbed her and tried to bite her neck. She escaped by falling from the balcony and then reported the incident to the police. When the police came to investigate, Jacques Saint-Germain had vanished. They searched his apartment and found tablecloths with large splotches of blood on them. They searched the kitchen where they found no sign of food or evidence that food had ever been there. All they found were bottles of wine, and after pouring themselves a glass, drinking it and then spitting it out, they discovered that it was not only wine in those bottles, it was wine mixed with human blood. It is unclear whether the count Saint-Germain and Jacques are the same person, but believers speculate that they are. To this day, the mysterious figure of the count Saint-Germain has his own occult following, from theosophists to complete way out their mystics. Although he allegedly died in the year 1784, no one saw his death and some claim to have seen him many years afterward. Nevertheless, he disappeared from court life. I would too if I knew that the French Revolution was coming which some people claim he had foreseen. In terms of murder rates, New Orleans ranks among the highest. It has always been a notorious place for missing persons. That is, it is a place where people just disappear and no one ever knows what happened to them. The blood of the French, Spanish, Indian, African, Creole and English all mixed together here, where the mosquito is not so picky, nor perhaps are other creatures. Jean and Wayne Carter were brothers. They seemed to be normal in every aspect. They both had normal labor jobs down by the river and lived in the French Quarter. It was the 1930s during the Great Depression and times were hard, so a man worked all he could. One day a girl was reported to have escaped from the Carter Brothers' apartment and run to the authorities.  The policeman ran to the Carter's third-storey apartment and found four other people tied the chairs with their wrists sliced in the same fashion. Some had been there for many days. The story was that the brothers had abducted these people in order to drink their blood at the end of every day when they came home from work. Police also found about fourteen dead bodies. The cops waited for the brothers to return and when they did, it took seven or eight of them to hold down the two average-sized men. A few years later, when the Carter's were finally executed, their bodies were placed in a New Orleans vault. Cemetery's in New Orleans are quite picturesque. Not only are they more ornate than the rest of the nations, but they inter many generations of one family inside one vault. The remains sift down into the bottom of the vault and when it's all rubble, a new body is slid inside. Many years after the Carter Brothers' deaths, when they were placing another Carter in the family vault, they discovered the vault was completely empty. No John or Wayne. They were gone. To this day, many sightings have occurred in the French Quarter that matched the description of these two brothers almost exactly. Years later, an owner of their apartment saw two figures that matched their descriptions outside on the balcony, whispering to each other. Both figures jumped off the top of the third-story balcony and took off running. The legend goes that if a vampire drinks your blood seven nights in a row, then and only then can you become a vampire. Some of those found in a Carter Brothers' apartment had been there for more than seven days. One warped fellow named Philippe went on to become a notorious serial killer. And of course, he would do more than just kill his victims. He was believed to drink the blood of all 32 of his victims. During the colonization of New Orleans, France was having a hard time convincing women to make the voyage. This was mostly due to the fact that the men originally sent were thieves, murderers, and culprits of every type and caste, not to mention Louisiana's snakes, alligators, mosquitoes, and humidity. Eventually, some women were sent. Some sources say they were nuns, while others say they were prostitutes. But nevertheless, a few of them made it. Many of them snuck off the ship in Mobile, Alabama when they ported there and were told what type of riffraff they would be tricked into marrying if they stayed on board. Historically, these women were referred to as casket girls in reference to these small chests in which they carried their clothing and other belongings. However, the legend goes that these girls had the most interesting luggage shaped like coffins. So to the dismay of the men of New Orleans, all that arrived in New Orleans were 300 of these coffin-like suitcases. Some stories say they were empty. Some say they contained the undead. These suitcases were reportedly stored in the attic of a convent in the French Quarter where they still sit behind windows that are nailed shut because they have a strange habit of just opening by themselves. Years later, in 1978, two amateur reporters demanded that the convent's priest let them in to see the coffins. The priest, of course, denied their entrance, so one night these two men climbed over a wall with their recording equipment and set up their workstation. The next morning, the reporter's equipment was found strewn about on the street outside, and there on the convent's front steps were found the almost decapitated bodies of these two men. 80% of their blood was gone. To this day, this unsolved crime baffles investigators. However, research indicates that these legends are completely unsupported by historical evidence. It is unclear how or when the myth of the casket girls began, but the story continues to haunt tourists and believers to this day. Clinical vampirism has been recognized as a neurological disease in which those with symptoms drink human blood, believing it to be beneficial for their health. Psychologists have said that symptoms begin with incidences in childhood that draw a sexual connection to the ingestion of blood. This interest in blood results in the individual drinking their own blood, and eventually that of other humans or animals. John Edgar Browning, a PhD candidate at Louisiana State University, conducted research in New Orleans that determined that there were about 50 individuals who identified as vampires living in New Orleans alone. Many of the real vampires of New Orleans have fangs or are nocturnal. Research has indicated that these markers are cultural, but the vampires insist they are biological. Another study by the Atlanta Vampire Alliance reported about 5,000 of these individuals in the United States. However, clinical vampirism, also sometimes called Renfield's syndrome, has not been recognized by the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Those who self-identify as vampires even have their own organization, New Orleans, known as the New Orleans Vampire Association, or NOVA. The organization accepts all paradigms or denominations of sorts of those who identify as vampires. NOVA is governed by a council which is comprised of members of seven houses that serve as sects of denominations, reflecting various aspects of NOVA's community values. Browning's research involved extensive time spent at NOVA meetings, from which he observed that the members were predominantly Caucasian. There were nearly equal numbers of men and women, and the members were between the ages of 18 and 50. The association was formed in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans. Members participate in charitable events, such as serving food to the homeless and hosting silent auctions. However, their website is not currently maintained, and it is unclear whether they are still in operation. All stories in Weird Darkness are purported to be true, and you can find source links or links to the authors in the show notes. American Hellhounds was written by Brett Swancer for Mysterious Universe. The Butler County Tragedy is by Robert Wilhelm for a Murder by Gas Length. And Vampires of New Orleans was written by Ryan Harrison for Exemplar. And now that we're coming out of the dark, I'll leave you with a little light. 1 John 1 verse 9 This is how God showed his love among us. He sent his one and only son into the world that we might live through him. And a final thought from Booker T. Washington. I began learning long ago that those who are happiest are those who do the most for others. I'm Darren Marlar. Thanks for joining me in the Weird Darkness. And while you're at it, spread the darkness by sharing this video with someone you know who loves all things strange and macabre. If you want to listen to the podcast, you can find it at WeirdDarkness.com.


Welcome to the 2009-2010 High School Basketball Coaches Preview Show. My name is Mike Martin. Joining me is a coach, Chris Wright.  Yeah, we have all the same coaches that we've had over a number of years. We have Tom Destatelle at Sheboygan North and Tim Schultz from Sheboygan South and Todd Decker from Sheboygan Lutheran and Brett Flippsy from Sheboygan Christian. Brett's an addition from last year because he got sick and never did make the show. Yeah, that's true. But he had a nice season anyways. Yeah, and they're going to be tough again this year. We're going to step out and we come back. I'll have Todd Decker from Lutheran High School. For 37 million Americans, this is life, living below the poverty line. Find out what you can do. Please, don't let one more fall. Go to povertyusa.org and get involved. Joining me on the set is Todd Decker from Lutheran High. Todd, thanks a lot for stopping in. You know, you have practice coming up. Last year was not a very successful year. You finished up 5 and 15, 5 and 11 in conference. Talk a little bit about last year and what you need to change this year to be a better squad. Well, first thanks for having us on. I think you guys do a good job with covering the basketball. And I really appreciate that. Yeah, last year we had a down year and had some things, some injuries and some great issues with some kids that kind of hurt us. And we had to kind of go the young route. And that did the inexperience kind of hurt us. So hopefully that's going to help us this year. We got some nice players coming back and we're looking forward to something strong with JV players. So I'm really excited about this season and looking forward to it. Now, one of the things that I didn't have on my list, but we talked about prior to going on what had to do with recruiting and getting kids to go to Lutheran High. You had mentioned that the enrollment was actually down a little bit. Let's talk a little bit about private schools and getting kids to come. And what's your take on all of that? Well, first of all, if I'm going to recruit, I'm going to recruit for Lutheran High because Christ-centered education to me, that's very important. And that's my first recruiting that I would do. Then we add basketball and other sports and that would be great. But as far as recruiting a kid just for basketball, that's not what we're all about at Lutheran High. It's about that Christ-centered education. And then we want to help the students become Christian leaders one student at a time. Now, one of the things you mentioned about the enrollment going down was the economic times. Yeah, it's pretty tough. And we have parents that really give up a lot to have our kids go to Lutheran High. It is an expense, a worthwhile expense, having three kids go there myself. But there is an additional cost. And when people come in to look at it, that's just the way it is. But it's well worth it. You lost some senior leadership from last year. And most teams are led by their seniors. And as the seniors go, usually the team goes, not always. But how do you see your team this year in terms of senior leadership and who are you going to look for to provide that leadership? Well, we have a third year captain and Dan Salzbrenner. And that doesn't happen very often. And he's a guard and our point guard who's a leader and a great young man. We have Josh Walrich coming back from a pretty good second half of the season as far as a captain. Zach Blindo, our senior, will be giving us some leadership. And we're going to throw Sam in there, too. Sam Decker, my son, he was voted captain of the team. That doesn't happen with a sophomore. But I think the kids know he's played a lot of basketball. And he shows leadership on and off the court, too. Sam was your leading scorer last year. And what other kinds of roles will he have to take on to provide leadership for the team? Well, he had a good start of the year. And then we lost some scores. And we had to put a lot on his shoulders for a freshman. And he handled it well. We're looking for big things from him. He grew. He's almost at 6'6 right now. So he was 6'2 at the end of the year. And now he's almost 6'6. So we can use him in different spots this year. One of the things that's happening with the football end of it, and I'm not talking about the combination team, but I'm just talking about football in general with this region kind of a setup and breaking up some of the conference. Do you see that possibly happening with basketball? I don't know about our conference. I think it's more at the divisions, 1, 2, 3, and 4 for basketball with the enrollments and those type of things. I don't think the CLC will be affected that way conference-wise. But I see there might be some changes with enrollment and the private school part of it, yes. Now, right away, coming up, you've got a week of practice in, and I believe it's after seven days you're going to have your first game and you guys are going to have one right after seven. Don't get me going on that. Well, let's get going on that then. What do you see as a problem with that? And I know you've got Green Bay Northeastern Wisconsin coming up. Well, as a coach, and we can do the scheduling, with the type of scheduling we have, I wish we could have more practices before the first game, and we're going to change that a little bit up at our school and maybe start a little bit later because we need more time. I don't think that we have enough time. We rush the kids into things, and we do have a game tomorrow against Green Bay and New Luther and there are going to be some challenges for us. They've got two really nice players. But we've got to style up all the way to scrimmage against some of the bigger schools on Saturday and did real well and I'm excited about that. We saw some things that we wanted to do and it worked out. One of the things that a coach has to decide on every year is their starting lineup.  Al McGuire had an interesting take. Once he established his starting lineup, he just kept it that way all year barring injuries and that. What is your philosophy on starting? I'm pretty solid with my starters. We think this year we're going to have some kids who love to bench as far as a spark goes. But I don't change up my starting unit very often. Maybe one or two things. If the kids aren't scoring, we see something or match ups. Then I might change some things. But I'm pretty good about the starters and staying that way. Let's finish this up, Todd, and talk a little bit about the conference. Christian looks to be like a real powerhouse. How do you see Lutheran fitting in and how do you see the whole league shaking out this year? I say this, but the CLC is really strong this year. We have from top to bottom. We have very dedicated coaches. They've been there quite long and that's kind of neat to see. Christian has a great ball club coming back. A lot of experience. Fundamental kids. Kevin at Usberg does a nice job.  Coaches do a good job there. I'd like to pee up in that top part with those guys. I think we can compete with them this year. We're going to, our margin for error is slim, but I think that we can do a good job against them. But yeah, Christian, I think would be the team that you want to beat this year with all their guys coming back. So it'll be fun. We want to see where we're going to fit in with that. Well, we have you three times on the schedule this year. So hopefully we'll see, we got you twice against Christian. I know those will be tough games and then Ozaki, but it'll be interesting seeing your ball club play this year. Well, we like the support and having you guys come in and we're looking forward to the season. Thank you very much, coach. And good luck this season. And when we come back, I'll have Tim Schultz from Salt. Joining me is Tim Schultz from Sheboygan Salt. Tim, thanks for stopping in. I really appreciate this. Last year you beat North three times in one season. That doesn't happen very often. Whether it's the Northside beating Salt or vice versa. Talk a little bit about that experience and what it was like. I think it was great for the team. The guys last year, they weren't extremely hardy. They had a lot of seniors. Last year put a lot of time in. And some of those guys were younger brothers of guys who had played. So I think it's something that they can take as a badge of honor. But as we move forward, it's kind of as last year and get ready for the next year. Last year was really a great year. You finished up 17 and 7 and 11 and 6 in conference and you were tied for fourth place, which may not sound very impressive, but I think it really was that the conference was very, very strong last year. How is that experience last year going to help you this year? You just said the North-South games won't matter, but can the whole experience of last year help? I think definitely. One thing that a lot of people don't know is that when we got into January and February last year are starters, which we lost four for this year and coming into this year. Our starters were getting beat by our subs in practice. A lot of those guys and almost all those guys who were subs last year are all players this year that should step up and do some things on the varsity. So the experience of not only the journey of making it to the sectional finals, winning regionals, winning like you mentioned, those games against North doing well in the conference, I think it all ties in. I don't know how people are going to pick us. I don't think we really care. I think the guys are excited about a new season, about working hard. They're going to work their tail off no matter what. But I think experience will really help. I know not last year so much, but the year before last and the year before that even, I know one of the things that was much to your chagrin was not finishing games. You were in a lot of games and there were close ones and you just didn't quite get it done last year. Obviously that wasn't the case. Well, there's still games last year where we didn't quite close up the way we would want to, but it's something that we emphasize, especially the little things of making the free throws, even simple things like based on out-of-bounds, sideline out-of-bounds, trying to steal points here and there, and then just the composure and really, I think maybe the biggest thing is the expectation that you can win and you will win. And maybe hopefully we turned that corner as a program last year. You mentioned that you lost four starters from last year. Well, two of them were Peter Wolf and Hemsing, your two guards, and pretty hard to replace that kind of guard play. Yeah, you don't replace guys. Both of them played parts of four years on varsity and one Peter Wolf was a four-year starter. Hemsing was a three-year starter. They're all conference guys. You don't replace that. You hope that they left a mark. The guys who are coming up like Brandon Bernabe or Ethan Berlin, guys who were backups to them last year, that they can come in and fill the role that they did, but it's big shoes to fill. Are those going to be the two people that start at the guard position for you this year? As I look at it right now, I would guess so, and if they don't start, they're going to play a very prominent role. Right now, I couldn't pick a starting five. We had a chance to talk before we went on the air and you'd mentioned that it's a bit of a tough start. Jake Rissy won't play at all this year. He heard himself during football and Jake Ryder heard himself during football. Also, tried to play in your scrimmage the other day. Talk a little bit about him and how the team is moving along, even with the injuries. I can say definitely with the loss of Rissy. He did not play a lot of minutes last year, but we got him in and he had a tremendous summer of basketball, summer all around him with football and training, and had himself in position where he could have some great success this year. Now, Ryder, we think he'll be ready to go pretty soon. He's anxious to play. It's something where he's a three-year varsity player. Along with Bernabeal, we have two of them, and he's our lone returning starter, so we're expecting big things out of him. Who is going to move up from the JV team and be able to contribute this year? I know we talked about another player who's hurt and out for the year. Bailey Callahan broke his leg in football, but who else? Look at Riley Tudas comes to mind right away, Cal Blusky. There's numerous guys that would be missing. I could give you the whole list that I think all the guys could contribute, but those are the top two that come to my mind. You start the season this coming weekend. I'm not sure when this will be broadcast, but you have the Red Wing Classic coming up, and who are the teams involved in that, and who do you play first, and how do you expect to do? Teams in there are ourselves, obviously. Hortonville, who we play the first game, and then Old Creek and Randolph. And as far as how we expect to do, I mean, we have won our tournament, I think the last two, maybe three years, like to continue that. Randolph is one of the best D4 programs in the whole entire state, so it's nice to have them in there. We have Division I recruits. We played at the first game in Regionals last year, and so we'll just see how we do. Last year, Ashwabinon, pardon me, Bayport finished 17-0, and Preble was next at 14-3. You guys had an excellent year, like I mentioned earlier, 11-6. How do you see the conference shaking out this year? Where do you see your team fitting in? I don't know. Our conference is tough. I mean, extremely tough. The best team in the conference, I think going in, coaches would say it'd be Depeer. They're very similar to where Bayport was last year. They just have the whole package as a team. And then everyone else has just clumped together. There are no nights off. You have to bring your game all the time. You mentioned earlier about Manitowoc being very tall this year. Yeah, exactly. Manitowoc will be probably a four-starter, six-five and above. So there are no nights off. There's nothing easy. Well, we get you guys three times on the schedule. Hopefully, we'll follow you a little bit further when we get into tournament play. But Coach, I also want to thank you for stopping in and adding to our TV experience. Thank you. When we come back, Chris will be with Christian coach Brett Flipsy. Excuse me. Excuse me. Are you Santa Claus? I heard you might be him. If you are him, here's my list. Help the Marines make Christmas possible for less fortunate children. Donate a new toy to Toys for Tons. Santa Claus. Welcome back, everybody. I'm here with Coach Flipsy from Sheboy and Christian. A nice season a year ago. 22 and 2, 15 and 1 in the league. Thank you. Nice season there. Did you realize that you're 62 and 10 over the last three years? 77 and 16 over the last four years. That's just awesome, Coach. Any thing that's magical, or do you expect this, or the kids? It's always the kids. We always think we're all great coaches, but really when it comes down to it, you're only as good as the kids that you get. The last six, seven years, however long it's been, we've had some really, really good kids. The program has really skyrocketed because we've taken, you know, the older kids have taken the younger kids under their wings, and that's really what I attribute it to. The younger kids are looking at the older kids and wanting to play just like them. Well, that's just great. Also last year in the tournament, you knocked off the Goliath. Randolph has been the premier division four program in the state for over 15 years, eight championships. Do you think your kids now have the confidence that, hey, we can play with anybody now with that victory? Yeah, I believe so.  We've been a very good program, but we've had to run into them, you know, every year for the last couple of years, and we've, you know, we've seemed to always lose to the state champion, and Randolph has always been in our way. They're a great program, and, you know, just by that win last year, I believe gives us a stepping stone this year to, you know, make another run. Unbelievable, yeah. You lost to Benton last year, too, state champions as well, what a strange thing that is. I see that you guys are, in some publications, ranked number two in the state, something probably new for your program. We've always been sitting right there. It's a nice honor, beginning of the year, but it really doesn't mean anything. It's all on paper.  You know, we could be ranked number two in state to start the season and have a hiccup early on in the season and drop right out of the rankings.  You've got to go out and play the games. I think our kids are hungry, and, you know, they want to at least go back to where we were last year, with a very good shot at making the next step. Same situation right here in the county, too. It seems like it's always been, Uspurg has always been the team to pick. Well, now it's Uspurg and Christian.  You know, you've got North and South. You've got Sheboy and Christian Uspurg. It's a great atmosphere. Whenever we play each other, the gyms are packed. You know, my before-the-game speech is always about, this is what you play high school basketball for.    Your coaching staff's been together a long time. Continuity, other keys to success, you think? Yeah, absolutely. You know, in my first couple of years coaching, we were trying to find that right group, and I think we've got it now. And, yeah, we have been together for a while. Senior Dominant this year, that should help. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to go as far as our seniors will take us. Yet, we have some up-and-coming juniors, and they've got to show us that they're ready to play. You know, our seniors are going to take us as far as we can go, but, you know, when they fail, because there are times when the seniors are going to have, you know, some tough times throughout the year, but those juniors are going to have to step up, and we don't know who they are yet. You know, we're still early in the season, and we're still playing that out, but yeah, the seniors are, we have a strong group of seniors this year. Scrimmage goal, okay, the other day? Yeah, yeah, and those are always fun.  Well, for a long time here, just to finish up a little bit here that, you know, it seems like North and South has been on the Sheboyin County radar, and, you know, it's always, you know, Kohler had some nice success back in the 90s and stuff like that. I think Sheboyin Christian is a team that, you know, people in the county should come out and see you. There's been none of the radar, but I think it's one of those things that I think, you know, people should come out and see you guys play. Yeah, I don't think we're an unknown, but we are the smallest school in town, and we're just a lot of fun. We don't, we're not a team that, you know, sits and hunkers down and plays defense. We, you know, we like to run, we like to push the score, push the tempo, play good defense. Hopefully we're fun to watch, and, you know, if you all have a chance to come out and see us, that would be wonderful. You also mentioned, as we were talking before, you got a new gym. Yes, we updated our gym. We don't have a new gym, you know, a new floor, you know, and we lost our, our, the atmosphere of the old barn, but, you know, it'll be fun this year. I know when Coach Desatel changed over into the field houses, I thought it just kind of took the students away a little bit, so it's nice to hear that the students will still be there, but just the colors will be a little genuine. Yeah, it's not quite the field house, but we like it. Well, good luck this season. We're going to have you a couple of times, and again, thanks for coming in. Thank you. When I return, we'll have Coach Desatel from Sheboygan North. Welcome back. We're here with Coach Tom Desatel. Coach, last year you had a real fine player and Nolan Free led the state in scoring. Have you ever had a kid that was that high in the state in scoring ever? Usually I jump on him and don't let him shoot that much, but Nolan was special. No question about it. He's one that everybody kind of wants to have because he's such a great leader, and he does so many things other than just score points. Yeah, and the year before you had T.J. Kellner. So you had T.J. was a prolific score. You had Nolan Free, a prolific score. A lot more balance on your club this year. I think it will be. I think we're going to see that. I'd love to see somebody emerge and just be a first team all stator or something like that. I don't know that that's going to be possible, but we didn't forecast Nolan to be that either. We've got a lot of contributors, a lot of potential contributors. I came around practice and watched a little bit of some of your kids, and you look at David Britton and Mark Tuttle, and they seem a lot bigger, faster, stronger. I mean, they really look like they've really hit the off-season workouts. Well, you know, they're in the weight room year-round. They're playing sports year-round, whether it be basketball, which a lot of them are doing much of the summer, but they're getting stronger. There's no question about that, and you've noticed that in all sports. I'm sure in baseball as well. Yeah, and you do a nice thing in the off-season. You include the girls, too. You can even see the improvement in the girls program. I know they're joining you as well. Well, they're into it, and they're not going to back down. That's the type of female athletes we've got at North High School. We're kind of proud of them just as much. We're disappointed we can't see them as much as we'd like to. You've got, I believe, ten returning players this year? We've got quite a few. Quite a few. Devin Yerke came on the team for the tournament last year and played some, and everybody's kind of excited about him. He wasn't really on the varsity last year, but we have significant returnees. There was no question. Yeah, and he got a lot of experience. He got Tanner back, and Derek back as well. Yeah, Tanner, Derek, and David all started at one point in time last year. Jake Stengel was probably our best player outside of Nolan the last couple of games of the year. He went through an injury all summer. Then he was casted and really got the clearance just to play at the beginning of the fall football season. We've got Mark Tuttle as well. So we've got quite some competition for spots. Yeah, you do. Looks like Depeer looks to be kind of the class of the conference, kind of like Bayport last year. Bayport, for most people don't know, they almost beat Madison Memorial last year. Looks like Depeer's got kind of a similar type team. Yeah, Depeer's never been there. Kind of unusual. Bayport put together a couple of strong teams back to back, and Depeer is, on paper, the best. But like everything else, they had a strong freshman last year that's going to be out for part of the season. And again, how many losses like that can you suffer? But they are the team to beat. Yeah, I see too that the Boy State tournament is going to be before the Girls State tournament this year. Boy's basketball started a week before, not a week before, but two days before women's basketball. You're correct. The Boy's tournament will be one week before the Girls tournament. Both will be at the Cole Center this next March. Yeah, and that's quite a change a little bit for that as well. Do you like the new conference? Has you been in it now for a couple of years? It seems like it's a ragged 12-game schedule. Excuse me, playing all 11 teams in a 12-team league. Do you like that? It's different. You can like it or dislike it. I think you have to deal with it. As a coach, you say, look, this is what we've got to do. We play each team in our division twice. We play every team in the other division once, which is a more clean schedule than we had the first two years where we played an extra game against the other division. We played 17 conference games, which wasn't fair. I remember the old days we used to take trips to Jamesville and Wauwatosa, so you're limited on your non-conference schedule. I know already, you won't know this already, but they're already going to play Milwaukee Riverside early this year. Does that cut down on your non-conference? No, actually. Like baseball, like all other sports, we're playing 22 games this year. For the first time, all high school basketball teams have the opportunity to play 22 games on their freshman schedule. Again, we wanted to play a couple non-conference games before our first game of the year, which is coming up on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving, and that's against Depeer, a team you already mentioned. We've got South the following Saturday, so we want to prepare for those. Yeah, I was going to mention that already. North-South came a little bit earlier this year, but we're going to have them in January this year, not in February, that's a little early, and it seems like it's been that way the last couple of years. It seems like you're always open with South quite early. Well, they have a schedule rotation, and they flip. Depeer moves to the top of the schedule this year. South is the next on the level, and so that's the way it goes. Well, we look forward to the season coming up, and thanks for coming in. It's always a pleasure to have you. When we return, Marty and I will be finishing up the show. We have a lot of practice and other show in the books, and we want to thank the coaches for stopping in. They always make this a really pleasant experience, and it adds a lot to the whole season for us. Yeah, I know, and it's tough for them too. I know they're trying to get ready for the season, get started for them to take out a little bit out of their practice day and things. It's nice for them to come. And it is a chore, because they literally do take time out of their day to come in, and most of the time they're either here right after practice or just before and running off to practice. Let's talk about the two conferences that we'll cover this year and make our predictions. Hopefully we'll do better than we did in football. Let's talk about the CLC. It's pretty much a lot in terms of who people are predicting, and that's Shiboy and Christian. But who do you see? I think it's Shiboy and Christian and Usberg.  They're a little bit bigger and stronger, and they got a couple of classmates over there. It can be tough, so I think it is going to be a two-dog race between Christian and Usberg. I think sometimes we overlook the smaller schools, but I think people should get out and look at these teams this year. There'll be a lot of fun. We're going to have them on our schedule a number of times this year. I also think Christian is going to be the winner. Matter of fact, I think they might be a runaway winner. I think the battle is going to be for second and third place with Christian, pardon me, with Howard's Grove and Usberg. I think it's going to be a really tough battle between those. They're going to see you grow in Belgium because they got a big guy coming back from last year. Let's talk a little bit about the Fox River Classic Conference. Last year we had a team, Bayport, won all the games in the conference, and I don't think it will be like that this year, but who do you see as being the champs? I think there will be a runaway, and I think it's going to be Depeer. Depeer is a lot like Bayport was a year ago. They lost by two points to Bayport at the end of the season in the sectional finals. Bayport should have made it and Depeer comes in and they are loaded for Bayer and a great team to watch. I think they come in on December 1st to Sheboygan North, and I think that team by far will be up there. I think Sheboygan South had a little bit of graduation. It's going to be tough to replace those guards, but they're going to be back again and much improvement by the big men over at Sheboygan North, too, so they'll be fun, too. And what about North? They lost Nolan Free, but... they're starting at UW Whitewater right now, and they're going to have to find something for them, so they're going to have a lot of balance over there, and I was over watching them shoot a little bit, and they got some talent. All right, with that, we're going to sign off, and thanks a lot, Chris, for joining me on the show this year, and we'll see you down the road.


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