or a pillow or something. I mean, lunch was really good. So, just to finish the interesting fact about translating the Ninja Turtles game back. Just to finish that, the way how I tried to translate was actually just switch the keyboard from English to Serbian. So, like, if you have a W that was a NYE, or a thing like that. Yeah, it never worked. So, okay. Talking about the Docker. Blue Whale, I had to put this claimer at one point when I tested this dock in the office because one of the guys asked me, like, are you aware there was like a weird game that was popular in social networks last year called Blue Whale? So, not only geeky stuff, no, nothing other than that. How many of you is familiar with Docker? How many of you work daily with Docker? Okay, that's not so bad. How many of you thought Docker was the same thing as Vagrant when it started working with it? I mean, I did so. Okay. First big difference. Difference between Vagrant or any kinds of virtualization compared to content and visualization. That's like really important. So, let's say on the left side here, you can see basically how virtualization will work when you want to run, let's say you have three exactly same applications that you want to run in Docker environment and you want to run them in VM environment. In VM, of course, you have your infrastructure that's basically the same in both cases, hosting operator system. Again, you will need to have some system that will run. And then we come to the first difference. We have a hypervisor when it comes to virtualization and we have Docker engine that will do the rest in this case. As you can notice, we have like huge boxes and I intentionally put them in this big guest OS. It takes memory, it takes storage and there are few more important things that you can't really optimize properly when using VM compared to Docker or any container-based system at all. Another big thing and this is actually how we are doing it in our company that is we are running VMs on KVM and on every KVM we have bunch of Docker containers, different Docker containers. Currently, we are running like 12 or 15 different microservices and the goal is to reach to a fully scalable system that you can configure in real time selecting all the images you want to be provisioned on your machine. So instead of installing a package or something you can just pick what microservice you want to run because Docker actually allows us to make things work like that. We only configure Docker, we build applications like they are all connected. Of course we will have some kind of dependencies if you install application C you need to have application A or something like that. But in general, we did it in a slightly different way than it was usually before. One big thing, actually one big difference when we talk about VM or Docker or for me Docker or VM is how it manages resources. If you wanted to run a virtual machine I'll give an example here with one gig of RAM and one core. You will use 10 gigs of RAM and 10 cores with VMs. While on the Docker side you can say I want to allow this machine to go up to one gig of RAM and one core. It won't go over.  While with VM you can't use the rest of the resources that are not there. They are there just locked in or you can try to do it but I honestly don't suggest to try something like that because most likely you will run your whole VM host down because it will run out of memory or something like that. Next thing that's really important is how to deal with the data that you have on your Docker machine. Let's take a scenario where you want to run WordPress but you want to have access from those files on your local machine so not that you have to go into your VM then from VM there is not really SSH for Docker but you can access the shell of every container and then see the listing of files. You can move that all the way up to a mounted or shared folder that will be visible to your host operating system similar like VM does it when you configure your SharePoints but also it can keep files locally. For example if you are doing any kind of caching or session files or whatever is related to that particular container it stays inside. You don't have to publish it outside for other machines or other people to see it. It brings on a security level but we will touch that a little bit later. Also there is a really good thing about networking when it comes to Docker. With VM you will have to create your own network to design your own network to assign IP addresses or if you use NAT then you will have different kind of problems. Here you can name your machines. Let's say you have machine A, machine B, machine C. Both machines have NGINX installed and they are exposing port 80 publicly for that container host. You can just use HTTP machine A or HTTP machine B from inside and access those machines because the whole networking layer on Docker is something that was actually designed for that to help you not waste time working on your network configurations more time than you will actually spend working on your application that you want to run or applications. Like anything else we hear also have the CLI commands. Yeah, it all starts with Docker. A bunch of them really. This is just an example and we will see this a little bit later how you can set up a simple WordPress installation in Docker on your local machine and run it in... well, basically in milliseconds if we don't take the time needed for download those images. Also like let's say a big one Docker supports configuration files where you can set your commands that you want to run to set up every environment in exactly the same way. Basically automation that's already built in and it will allow you to run containers in such fashion that let's say you want to do auto scaling. Every container will be like the other one. No differences, no nothing. You set the version of your operating system here it says from Alpine 3.7 who is new to Docker, Alpine is Linux distro that's like five megs originally if you don't install anything on it. So it's really fast. It supports basic stuff you can install Nginx, PHP, MySQL and most of the software that we basically need in our daily operations we can run on it. With everything set you will get to let's say 160, 170 megabytes of storage used compared to let's say CentOS that I personally use or Ubuntu that will go over 400, 500 megabytes originally without the packages you will need. This also means you will have to install some basic stuff there that are not supported by default but that means your machine will be exactly configured like you want for the particular application for a particular version of software that you are using. The next big thing about Docker is Docker Compose. It basically creates a small network of connected containers that support different applications running inside them and they are all running as one like I said we are building a system that will have hundreds of this so basically this is how we will do it we will just make a Docker Compose file differently for different clients and we will have exactly what we want. We will have different applications set up for different clients and all coming from same let's say big code base. Docker Compose is there to even automate more already automated process where in this particular case let's say I want to install a database and a WordPress we will see this in a little bit later but I want to install WordPress of course on any database you simply define the name of the image you want to use. Images are coming from Docker Hub you have a website on urlhub.docker.com where you can find a bunch of already built images. Image is really something like we have on Vagrant or any other system for visualizing your software where it's simply a list of commands that will be done to again have one machine always act in exactly the same way. It's great for developing teams unless you have a lot of people working on Windows but I will talk about it a little bit later. And here also you can notice on the right column right near the footer it says volumes. When I mentioned the volumes that are supported here it will create a volume that will be persistent for this compose. It will not be deleted when you kill the machine when you restart the machine it's always there while if you destroy a container without volumes if you use local files only all the files you used previously will be gone. If you use shared or mounted those data will even remain there until you actually delete them from your machine. So when you can list volumes in the same way like you can use the list containers or as you can list images that are currently installed on your host in the same way you can use volumes. So if you explicitly delete the volume only then the data will be gone or of course if you kill the whole host. I already mentioned a few things when it comes to Docker in WordPress development. I also mentioned don't try to write on Windows. I mean try it but there is a great possibility you will have lots of lots of problems and issues that you will just eventually have to say I give up because either you will start to work directly with Docker and Windows trying to solve those problems I don't think there is another way. I had two developers trying to set up their development environment on Windows. First problem comes when you try to check out some files that can be solved in Git but still when you check out files it will change how the line ends and it will pretty much break the whole thing when you try to run such file in Linux environment. So the thing is you have everything under version control including your Docker files but when you check them out with Windows the Git on Windows will automatically change the line ends when it comes to new line ends. That file will be served not to Windows but to Linux because you are running your virtualization software and that file that Docker file will be given to not Windows but Linux machine. You can try fixing it but then you will get into some other issues and it's totally waste of time. That's one problem. That can be solved if you optimize the Git a little bit. Next big problem is actually sharing the amount to the media between your host machine your vagrant machine and Docker container. On Mac on Unix like systems that pretty much works out of the box. So I run the VM on my machine in that VM I run the Docker container whenever I change something in that change will be replicated all the way to the container with Windows that doesn't work. It usually breaks somewhere between communication on VM with container. No particular reason why no error log no nothing. Just the change is not propagated all the way down to your container. The way around it is to basically destroy that container and rebuild it again. It's not so time confusing as it's just like a bug that's always behind your on top of your head and like why this doesn't work. So I strongly suggest and I even said that so go with Google. If your developers are really really really hooked to Windows unfortunately you will have to make them use Linux and if they want to use Windows on their machine when they're not working on that particular project by all means they can but they have to do a boot on that machine where they will run the code from Linux they will eliminate the need to use the VM and everything in this way. This is something that I try to play with a little not really microservices but I try to split WordPress into its let's say core sections which is the application server database and content. I use the shared storage for application and I use the different container to run the database different databases because this setup was meant to actually support multiple installations of WordPress so persistent storage is a local mounted one where I can change it so my teams my plugins are stored per installation but VP includes or VP admin is always centralized. One problem that I noticed but it's not really so big because WordPress does that automatically is when there is an update. That means that first site that catches the update of your WordPress core will update the core for the whole network. This will just require to run the database update because the database is not shared. It's actually something that let's say kind of works I'm still not so certain I will put this into production. There are still like glitches that can happen from time to time. And a really good thing about this is the engine X that's basically a load balancer can also be a container or two containers behind it I can have multiple application servers that will allow me to handle the load very good and in very fast way. Originally I mentioned the speed so usually when you take let's say Ubuntu and you run big enough what do you think how long it takes from the moment you hit enter until the moment you can run bigger SSH sorry? wait a minute without download so let's say you have the image gashed how much time is needed 15, 20 depending on your host machine speed and how much resources you dedicated. When you hit enter on docker run to create a new container that's been done in a matter of milliseconds. So speed is something that really helps in this in this case. Yeah this was the last slide so do you have like in theory level just some questions we will move on to something that I haven't tried before which is live coding we will try to get from the moment you to run the vagrant to install vagrant to run docker run it set up the nodes and everything and we will try next let's say 20 minutes to have the functional WordPress website running on docker so can you give me some more questions again but I think that I was just thinking about this reason again figuring out is it the running on docker machine on market is it the running on docker machine on market yes but the OS 6 for some reason doesn't have that problem it runs pretty smoothly most of the times again there are issues and Linux is the only native Windows and OS 6 will be supported as different kind of hosts where basically the kernel of your system will remain the same and only the packages will be installed for your for the containers you want in this particular case we are basically putting the VM in there so we always have the same kernel on top where we put our containers for application if you want to run Windows applications inside docker that works if you want to run it will work I know that docker is really working on heavy development where they will allow you basically to run Windows applications in containers same way as we mostly run nginx or mysql so let's try this originally I'm working in a software folder where I already have a vagrant just in case so the vagrant machine is already set because it will like someone said take like 20 minutes to finish everything and that's a little bit way too long so you can start counting time for things like this because you will see that even the shutdown of a VM will take a while I did a benchmark on this machine before preparing this talk and it was like 22 seconds I think to bring machine back from halt state this particular machine we will see it's like type of commands that it's pretty much instantly when you hit enter on docker run I guess as I mentioned it goes instantly it will show you the hash of the container that was created and really seconds later you can check the listing of your running containers and if everything went okay you can see your container already running okay so we have so the one the version I was using here just if someone wants for the nodes or something the command I used to run as vagrant and at minimum of Ubuntu trustee of course 64 dot so this is the one this is the vagrant setup I was using here and one thing I did instantly was to change the vagrant file when it comes to networking so config VM network, private network and I dedicated NIP to 191.68 which is today basically also I have put the same thing in my host file so I have workamp.sofia as the main depth oscillator how it works also what I suggest especially when you're trying to test things never let your vagrant machine take as much resources because it will kill your host machine sooner or later but one time you will definitely do that so one of the things I always do is I change the virtual box memory to take maximum of two gigs for what I have been working on it's more than enough if you really don't want to run some memory expensive processes where of course you can dedicate more and since the WordPress itself is not so CPU hungry system I don't limit the CPU but in certain situations I will put a limit there also and I would say that it can take max of two cores so even if there is a problem, if there is a memory leak in my script it will never actually kill my machine but I can kill that either that container or either that whole virtual machine and start from the beginning ok so if someone wants to put the stock watch on vagrant opt is running right now and it will take a while before we see the output and before we were able to log in is this font size good? to make it larger? so we are ready to go on which is and we are in you can see that the IP address is as I defined it and I really always do that it's a matter of choice I don't like port forwarding or something like that I like to have like a dedicated IP for machine hardware development ok so next thing is first how actually just a docker list of all commands that docker supports really a lot of them and I will only use few of this today but it's like something you can read and see yourself what what there is that you can do one thing who's really interested and not previously worked with docker I suggest that you check docker swarm which is a docker solution that it will allow you to run docker containers across different machines it's that's inevitable that you will not always be capable of vertically scaling your machine there will be a cap at one point so you will have to start horizontally scaling your hardware setup so docker swarm will actually allow you to do that so let's see docker containers are we running right now first command docker ps will give you only the running ones the docker ps-a which is actually short from ps will give you the list of all possible containers currently defined on your system so since I want to go from the beginning to show you how long it takes to create the actual container not just restart it I will delete both of this so for docker rm or remove I can use either container ID which is here in the left column or a name which is all the way in the right column docker remove my SQL as a result you will receive the name of the container that was or containers that we deleted and let's say now I want to run and if we go here of course vc.sof is redirected to the domain we had two IP address we mentioned before so there is nothing nothing here let's say docker run we will give a name to this let's say it's nginx and we will set a volume between the host machine and the docker container let's say this from the from the host machine will actually be user share nginx share nginx html this is the default path where the nginx root will be set we won't run it as a domain and the last part is which image to use that's it that's how long it takes to create a container compared to those 15-20 seconds we had before this was really instantly and as you can see it only took a couple of seconds to type it but it's already up and running for 5 seconds and now let's see here and nothing will be there the reason for this is remember this part port 80 so this container will use port 80 but your host doesn't know or you didn't tell your host what to do with it so again we will remove this okay it's running so people just asked to force it and instead of just doing this before we started to dynamic we will say okay but forward port 80 on the host again matter of seconds it's running and now this is the big difference any id on port 80 will be redirected to port 80 on this container if we go back how long we can stop it the way how and also now if I want to change this file I will go on my local machine to this path and I will change the index html file that's the power of volumes in Docker this is something that will actually or possibly not really work in Windows so this change will require you to change the whole to recreate again the container so it can be created with the different code base originally there so when we got to this this is just the engine X so we can go from here and start to build our own machine but that maybe doesn't make sense so this is the official repository on Docker Hub for engine X we have the same thing for MySQL so let's set that one up and we will get to the point where we will make a connection between our third container and MySQL container so again we have same thing as before we want to create MySQL we want that volume to go to this is again default path so if you do not use any kind of customizations during setup you can just use the default paths and expect they will be there again we need to set the port and Docker also supports environment variables which in this case will be variable for MySQL with the password and let's go in the background and use MySQL but if you check here supported tags and Docker file X if we go with just MySQL it will automatically set up fast with MySQL 8 we don't want that so we will use the latest 5 version of MySQL where we can use just 10, 5, we don't have to put 5.7 or something like that and this is the reason why I'm putting 5 here and again since I already had these images downloaded on my machine prior to this talk everything is instant with it even if the image is not there it will just take couple of let's say seconds to download but just in case I want to be certain if the Wi-Fi goes off that I have all those running locally now if I again check what's been running there it is 28 seconds ago and running for 27 and again it's forwarding the port 2306 to 2306 on the container we are certain that everything we do with the database will actually be there another way how we can test that is I have already set a connection but I can just read again we are connecting over the SSH so we need to open the SSH tunnel to our machine to connect to it using the invagrant of course MySQL is so, so, so hard again, host root we set the password here so we can use that password and we can simply connect to our machine of course there are no databases but if we try to add WordPress it should actually work yeah it's there so we can set any table just to make sure so we set up the engine X we set up the MySQL but in order to avoid setting the PHP and writing all the commands that we need to set up the Dockerfile for our WordPress we will simply go again on Dockerhub and for WordPress which will give us all the tabs and configurations that are supported for this particular case so yeah we will just go with the latest no need to do anything else and we will simply do that again running so name WordPress link this is new thing that we haven't used before remember when I said that Docker supports networking if you are using Docker compose well since we are not using Docker compose here we need to tell Docker where to create a link between our containers so in this case we will say create link to our MySQL uh to contain the name MySQL running MySQL again here let's put in the name where here we have WordPress sorry I don't know all the exact options that's why I'm checking the official repository okay this is what happens when it can't find the installation locally it will try to download it it will only since our internet is not so bad this will be really fast and yeah as soon as it is done it's saying that it's up and running again let's check what containers we have not and there it is but now we have a problem we can't connect our WordPress to port 80 because we already have another NGINX running so this is one limitation you can't use of course same port multiple times you need to be careful with that if there are some problems always check ps or always check even this can be a problem always use all and see everything that's going that's that's been running out there so let's again remove NGINX we do not really need it again it's running let's force it we definitely don't want to have it there and now we are here but now we have to also delete the WordPress again and recreate it because we didn't do the port forwarding originally if you want we will see donker press is pointing where it should and hopefully we will see this it basically takes just a few few minutes to get and only two commands to get your first WordPress installation running in Docker if we still have time I can show you also if you are interested how to use Docker compose where we can narrow this down to only one command and one configuration file if you are interested into that or you just want to go and have a coffee okay who wants to go have a coffee they can have a coffee I will make a short break to get this removed and get going with config file as you can tell I'm usually using the Docker compose that's why I'm having so much issues running all this okay and now I will just switch completely to root here it might be easier because I want to do something but if you are working daily with ptp composer I have a lot of problems always adding that R to the end which kind of gets annoying when you figure out you just spent 15-20 minutes trying to debug what's wrong and then you figure out you just have one R expert so in this particular case we need to define the version this is because Docker is out there for I think 3 or 4 years now but it's already Docker compose is already in version 3 because they are really working on heavy development and making new features and making it better day by day so here we need to define sorry and now we define services that we need to run our Docker compose WordPress first we need our database and our database will come from image as we saw before mySQL then we want to use the volume which will be mySQL goes again to this place restart always so in case the node gets the container gets destroyed or goes down it will automatically go back with this command Docker keeps track about that this is that E argument that we used and we will say mySQL


All right, welcome to the third of four town hall meetings on affordable housing and work force housing and all of the factors that go into Housing if you didn't get an opportunity to view the be be present Through get go to or if you didn't get an opportunity to view the other two town halls This being the third one you can always find those out on city's website the first one is about bridges and and Homelessness and Alice and the second one was also about homelessness and Understanding the spectrum that's involved with with housing Tonight we are going to Take a step further along the path that we're building here And we have a number of individuals on our panel that we're going to Have you listen to and understand some more information about the housing Difficulties in Sheboygan Sheboygan County and also some of the solutions that we're going to be Starting to talk about and we again Hope that you as you're going along and you think of something that someone says in their presentation Write it down and we will we will try to answer those questions as best we can as we go along So tonight we have Chad from the city. Give us a wave Chad There he be and then we also have with us tonight Brian from the Economic Corporation Development Corporation Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation get it right right all right and then we also have Kristen who give us a wave Kristen is also virtual and she's going to talk about the business Perspective that goes along with housing and the difficulties that go along with so many factors that are here So listen close Write down your ideas and your thoughts and your questions and we will get to those as we go along So we're going to turn it over to Chad who's going to talk to us about this the city Thank you, Joe. So again, this I'm Chad Palschek and I'm the city planning and development director for the city of Sheboygan And I'm actually in the Wisconsin Dells area at a conference. So that's why I'm on remote versus city hall So Scott if you can slide So what we wanted to do today is cover a couple topics. We are going to be looking at the results of the city's affordable housing study that was completed in March of 2021 and some of this might be a Repeat for some of the viewers, but Anyway, we're going to kind of give you a quick synopsis of it The full report is available on the city's website if you like data and you like numbers There's lots of numbers there and you can dig in a lot deeper and then we're going to Talk about some of the recent Effort that the city is making to address affordable housing in the city of Sheboygan So the slide that you see up now the recap of findings of the recent study is an age Co-card projections for the county. So we like to start off with where are we going with our Population and from this slide you can see that The population sector in the green Is the 65 to 84 year old so the the next You know 20 years or so shows that our population is going to grow older Which we knew about we know that we need to recruit younger folks and younger families So we're hoping that you know, we can go against the grain and try to get other age groups in the younger spectrum to come in but You know one of the study as city planners we need to look at is how are we? accommodating the rise in and older Demographics from the from the county as a whole and the city as that matters. So if you can go to the next slide So this slide shows the building permits from 2015 to 2020 And what I would say is the city has not built a lot of residential housing over the course of the last 20 plus years You see a little bit of spike in numbers in 2016 and 17 and that's really related to the recent Housing developments that have been built And then you look at the graph on the right in multi apartment and multi condo You'll see some jumps in those numbers a lot of this has to do with how some of these recent developments have been Like have been built under the building code to get around certain requirements. So it's how we categorize them But you can see that You know, there is there is numbers Increases in housing numbers, but they're not where they need to be to keep up with demand. Can you go to the next slide? So this slide shows really the county as a whole so this is the total housing units by the for the Shabuigan County and what you can see from this slide is in the 1990s through 2005 or so a little bit before that there was an aggressive increase in single family and multi family After we came out of the recession in 2007 down to 2010 that dropped off to almost nothing We've rebounded a little bit in 2015, but nowhere near where we need to be to keep up with demand So we've between the city of Shabuigan and the county as a whole we have a lot of work to do to keep up with Housing so next slide So this shows rental unit vacancy and one of the things I would say by this slide is In one of the earlier presentations if you happen to watch Emily talked about how the vacant What the vacancy rate is she gave a definition and she said that the vacancy rate for the city of Shabuigan is 3.3 and you can see that from the slide You can see that the other City of Shabuigan Falls and village of Kohler. They have no vacancy rates So that there's a lot of demand for housing out there on the bottom the notes say a typical healthy Vacancy rate is between five and seven percent and the vacancy rate around five to seven percent provides an appropriate balance between supply and demand with enough units for people to have choices with a vacancy rate as 1231 20 20 and I realize it's a little dated but It has some change much over 2021 or maybe even has gone down a little bit There isn't a lot of Opportunities housing choice housing in the market next slide Emily also hit on fair market rents for the city of Shabuigan's fair market rents What that definition is and this is a graph to kind of back up what she had talked about So fair market rent is used to determine the pain and standard amounts for a housing choice Volcker and section eight federally funded housing programs So the chart on the right that you see shows Based on a two-bedroom unit what the Mart what the market the fair market rate rent rates are it currently in 2021. It's about $769 So, you know, this is what HUD uses as a as a fair rent for a two-bedroom unit Granted it's less if it's a you know a one bedroom unit, but at any rate You know, we hear all the time the need for more units in that three to five hundred dollar range And you know those there was fair market rent for three to five hundred dollars back in the 1990s Early 2000s some 21 plus years ago. So inflation rent rate and increases and You know keeps driving up that was cost and these are looked at yearly But you can kind of see where the average rent should be in the city of Sheboygan And I understand that not everybody can afford even the Fair market rents next slide So this is kind of the synopsis of a of about a 600 page document that talks about what the demand projections are for the city of Sheboygan Going forward. So what you see on the left is the rental units 401 to 123 by 2023 or 40 to 102 per year you can see in the arrow it talks about what the What the average rents rates need to be for those Rental units these are considered in the study as affordable rental units. This was a affordable housing Study so you can see where that where that sits and I understand that there's you know There's people that are looking for a lot less than this and we'll talk about the issue with that as we go forward On the bottom the owner occupied units. We need around 715 by 750 new ones by 2030 to keep up with current demands and based on these predictions are based on a number of factors including the unemployment rate and the Information shared by a lot of our large employers for what they need to recruit as well as what the Senior housing kind of demands are so when you look at the senior independent living piece, you can see that We need about a thousand units subsidized At that point and then under the senior assisted living around 200 units of assisted living And that would be where you would be able to get services next slide So on this slide is there's a lot of information on this slide, but Basically the chart on the left talks about all of the housing units that have been developed in the city of Sheboygan to the tune of about 162 million 949 units have been built total you can see of these nine forty nine 401 of them have been considered affordable 495 our market rate and 36 are kind of many amunists if you look at the chart on the right this compares when they were built by the year compared to the gross domestic product And and and it compares the city of Sheboygan with the city of Fond du Lac, which is a very similar population so You know we the city of Sheboygan's gross GDP as an economic indicator is substantially higher than The city of Fond du Lac and you know, you can kind of see from there the The letters or laid back to the chart as to when the different developments were built next slide So the study also recommended a number of things related to funding to try to fund affordable housing at a more efficient rate so What you're seeing here is a different whole mantra of things to do to try to increase Number one home ownership Additional rental unit and to fund those rental units and home ownership so this is different programs and all of these are being leveraged at this point to Try to build a supportive housing need in the community And I'll talk a little bit more about some of it when we move forward Next slide so the study recommendations had a number of Capacity building initiatives regulation and partnerships some of this stuff is you're seeing today With this on-home meeting so the establishing a housing committee and kind of working with our partners To develop how you know to talk about housing and the need and and brainstorm and work on grants and all of that kind Of stuff is all happening behind the scenes between the city and the housing coalition partners as well as other Housing partners in the Community purchase in Market City owned redevelopment properties is a key piece and I'll talk about that as We move forward, but we really the city really needs to be aggressive and finding those opportunities to try to foster these affordable housing Developments because the cost does not allow somebody to pay a higher price for land so next slide So when you look at addressing the funding challenges This is from the study to break even point to construct one unit of affordable housing in the city of Sheboygan is $1,300 per month for a one bedroom And so when we hear that people want Benson the five six seven three four Five six seven per month that generates a significant gap in the performer per month that needs to come up Needs to be filled with other funding sources So if you're it's costing 13 for the month to build it and it's you're charging $500 a month that $900 difference 800-900 difference has to come from someplace to get these to work because developers aren't going to develop these unless they Can make money because that's their business So there's a few ways of doing that section 42 tax credit program one of those ways the city providing tiff dollars in Estimates of the city's now called affordable housing fund which was previously called neighborhood revitalization fund and that's a new fund that's be established to start providing funding mechanisms and Opportunities to purchase land and do different affordable housing type initiatives and then provide vacant city on land by selling property at dollar To be put towards and then sent upon the project and we hear that a lot that Why is the city giving away this land for a dollar well? It's either we give it away for a dollar or we give them tiff incentives because they can't make the number work so You know, I think in a nutshell the the thing here is the challenge that construction costs are spiraling out of space and getting getting You know the materials on time and supply chain issues is only adding to the problem And it's not getting any easier and section 42 we detect a program They're very competitive and everybody across the state is looking for affordable housing next slide So the next I is this important to the city in the county So we understand that we have lower income resident needs in the community that need housing so that would be a number that would be one of the Reasons another reason and and the other people on the call I'm sure we'll talk about this but Cheboydon County has over 3,500 open positions at any given stage and the companies are telling us that if they can't recruit Employees to this county their next investments are not going to be in this county So if a company is going to do an expansion, but they can't sign the workforce They're going to go to where the workforce is and that probably isn't going to be in Cheboydon And then when families and individuals record Relocate here for positions. They have a hard time finding housing. So that's Another kind of factor playing this and in order to retain these companies we need to find they need to find workers and Workers need to find housing. So it's kind of a spiral thing that kind of steps down and all of it is affected next slide So I'm going to switch gears here and talk about some projects that the city is currently working on to try to address some of these affordable housing Concerns, so if you go to the slide First one is the Commonwealth Development Project at 14th and Indiana. This would be 14 48 minutes it is a bus route to provide Transportation that was one of the questions if we look at that in making decisions and the answer is yes The fee is currently vacant. They would build One in up to three bedroom units that would be 350 for one bedroom up to a thousand for three bedrooms. It's 12 million dollar project We're waiting on a number of opportunities to fund this everything from lead attacks credits to the city's American Rescue Plan at dollars to the state rescue plan at our at dollars So hopefully this project will move forward in 20 late 2021 when it gets hopefully awarded some Funding mechanisms that it can move forward because it needs these Alternate funding sources to cash flow and for the developer to invest this 12 million Intuitively the rents lower next slide The next project is what I would call the partners for a community development project There's really not a name, but it's on the corner of North 13th and Erie Avenue It's big plan. This is east of the Burger King It would be 44 affordable housing units and some dedicated for veterans It is on a bus route rents would be between 350 and and 1,100 and very much like the other project They're waiting for award of tax credits and Arpa dollars from both the state and the city to try to fund it and get it off the ground So they just did a reason for the property So we're optimistic that hopefully this one can move forward as well next slide And then the last project is Berkshire shaboy and this is on the former capsule property This would be the property that would be west of the Pacifico restaurant on Indiana Avenue This is a general capital project through general capital partners It would be a mix of senior housing and live work. You can go to the next slide So the these are the live work units So there would be dedicated senior and then there would be dedicated affordable live work open to anybody where you live Work is where you can have a little commercial space so if you were an artist you could have a gallery in your living unit in the front on the Street side and be able to kind of be living there but also running your business out of your house next slide So this is up to a hundred units of senior housing and 18 units of live work, it's a 26 million dollar project Looking to be funded with we the low-income tax credit city tiff Would be 55 one bedroom senior units at seven at six hundred sixty five dollars 28 two bedroom at nine sixty three and 18 of the live work at 1515 units for 1086 goes not be seen And this is on the bus route located near the downtown in the lakefront and is kind of the first senior housing Affordable senior housing project that has been brought to the market in a number of years So we're excited to hopefully see this thing move forward as well like And then so we're thinking ahead and trying to locate other sites to meet future housing needs in the community So next week the city will close on purchasing the Jacob Hall property up on north 15th Street with the idea of demolishing This property to make way for a new affordable housing. What kind of affordable housing? I'm not quite sure What family type of multifamily, but we're using American rescue plan funds to fund this and we looked at this as an opportunity to get about an acre and a half of Property in the central city on a bus route close to amenities And so we're starting to look for these communities around the community to try to kind of build our Portfolio and property so we have alternate locations to help Facilitate some portable housing additional ones from the ones I just talked about next slide And the last thing that we're working on is the purchase of 196 plus acres of land on the city's south side so the council on Monday night should approve a contract to purchase This from Dave farms This is off of many rogues south of Wheaton Creek I'll show you shortly on a map where it is, but it would be 196 acres It would be 88 acres that the city already owns known as the bull farm The goal here is to build three to five maybe as much as 600 Single-family housing units with a combination of affordable single family Some middle-range single family and some senior Single-family so it's yet to be dethroned, but we don't have a lot of land. We're pretty much landlocked This is an opportunity for city for the next 10 to 15 years try to grow our Inventory of single-family housing And and some focused on some areas focused on affordable single family This property is not on a bus route although We've been talking to the shoreline metro and they're aware that it's going to have to be the bus routes are going to have To be modified down there because it also needs to service the new self-point enterprise this which is in the same So if you can go to the next slide These this just shows the map of where this is located So the the one on the left kind of shows the blue area. This is adjacent to the Riverdale gulf course Roll it and stall road is kind of the intersection of where this property lies the proper the map on the right shows a Zoom in of 196 acres the city with divine and the green area shows the property that the city already owned and Purchased 30 some years ago for future subdivisions. So those two would be combined and That's this will be master plan and we'll work with a number of different Developers and different products to them. So in a nutshell, that's what we have going on I'm happy to answer any questions or our very Joe wants to handle it from here But we are aggressively trying to address the affordable housing We've heard from a lot of people why all of the housing that nobody can afford although most of them are full Well, oh that there's a demand for lower priced housing It's just trying to get the numbers to work so that the city doesn't have to invest a lot of money to See those types of development Well, that's it for me. Thank you Well, thank you Chad that the there was very comprehensive and that you guys have been very very very very busy apparently So keep up the good work Let's let's first of all Allow anyone who wants to ask a question to unmic themselves and For Chad anything that he has covered that you would like clarification or any Any question that he might you might have for Chad Feel free to unmic yourself if you Want to question I will I will say then there's a couple comments in in the chat that I I'd like to read just so that People know that we are reading them and that everybody knows says current condos available This is from Sue current condos available are way out of reasonable price range as a senior I could not sell my home and downsize which I desperately want to do But can't afford to go into anything but low-income apartments. So I Any comments Chad to what Sue had to say I would say So I would say that we're aware of that Again, it's very difficult to build affordable housing and affordable condos that People are willing to pay at a lesser price because of the construction cost, but We're hopeful that with some of this new land that we're purchasing on the south side that hopefully that we can try We can try to address those concerns, but it really comes down to the point of Construction and how much the intent of the city has to put into the deal to make the numbers work And it does really come down to the numbers Game that's there and so that you you're looking at different avenues to be able to fund some of those Projects that were there Emily has a question that's out in Or Chad could you could you hear her or you want me? I did they're wondering about the old hospital and what might become of that once they switch over So yes, so the city has a redevelopment agreement in place with advocate Aurora and They have to start demolition on the hospital within three Years of the occupancy date of the new hospital which happens to be April 11th of 2022 is when they're moving into the doctors are moving in some of the doctors are moving into the new hospital so Under that agreement they need to work with the city and a developer to one either redevelop the property or Either work to redevelop for them to work with the developer to redevelop now what it would be I'm not sure it needs to be consistent with the current zoning which is neighborhood residential six So it would be a similar kind of layout as you see with the properties that are there But the prop the entire hospital will be demolished and it'll be redeveloped into some type of housing But that's yet to be determined Thank you. Thank you for that answer chat Tracy asked the question in the chat where where would the Berkshire be located It's on the vacant property of where the Basically west of the Pacifico restaurants, so right on the Sheboygan River up to like 10th Street We're like the craft 30 bar used to be and some vacant residential units And then there was some properties along Indiana basically west of like the end zone bar So it would be that vacant parcel of land that has river frontage Thank you. Thank you. And then Martha ask This information this is a comment so this is good this information is very helpful and interesting It's exciting to hear about the efforts For affordable housing and the senior and live work project sounds very cool I would love to share this information with others is it in some reform Like this somewhere for people to check it out It isn't necessarily but this PowerPoint will be Available when this the recording is brought up on the city's website as part of this town hall series So you can refer to that at any stage And and the recording itself will be there so you can always refer back to that also. Yes Abby any any further questions for Chad Well, actually, I feel like you covered a lot of them Chad So that were already I think suitable for this town hall, but I did have a question myself So I know you were talking about the difference. There was a slide that you had that talked about like the difference in single Family units and duplexes and then how multi-unit properties went up In like how many we created or built in a certain period of time and you said it was partly do be Due to the like building codes I think so I just kind of wanted to inquire a little bit more about that and what you meant by that Like how did that change? Sure. So some Just jump in there's a question here that kind of goes right along with that So I'm gonna throw that in right with it. All right It says what regulatory barriers Could be removed at the local level to enable construction of affordable housing. So that kind of goes along with that. So thanks So I think the Sorry, I just turned off my camera. Maybe on your side. I don't know but anyway So the there's we our zoning ordinances are pretty well suited for Optimizing space and and trying to deal with this Issue so we have a very small lot size requirement now for the minimum lot size our setbacks and all of that stuff are Always amended for allowing new development and new single families to be built So when to answer that question, I don't know that there's a lot of changes that could happen on our side Unlike maybe some people that are more out in suburb areas where they have Different layouts and different lot sizes. So the city has really tried to maximize the limited amount of Developable space we have and in encouraging density and encouraging as much Development as we can have we can get with what we have to answer the question about the building codes that Abby had that was really related to So some of them like the ones that were built by Van Horn those River townhomes Off of on the former Kingsbury property. Those were Built as a two-family unit. So they didn't they didn't have to put sprinklers in them Likewise, the ones down on south pier were done that way as well so they could get around some Building codes and keep their costs less and then be able to charge less. So and then it really just affect how the city reports those under the building code in what and whether they're a multi unit or a Two-family unit. So that was the answer to that question I'd like to remind everybody that During the fourth Town hall, we're going to have a panel discussion going on and some further questions that if we don't get to this evening will Prop up and will be discussed at that period of time. So please Put it on your schedule for two weeks from today that that open forum that we're going to have for discussing that I think we'll take one more question out of there. How do they're in it? There's another question in the chat Joe and it's from Sue Kaiser wondering if we've considered using empty buildings for For projects and for affordable actually we have Renovating an existing building into an affordable housing is even more expensive than building from ground up Because the codes are so much more restrictive and the cost to do so is is diff is so much more So it's actually cheaper for developers to build from ground up and build it the right way the first time that they Want it then to try to go in and modify spaces under the current ordinance and make them work For example, the Badger State loss was a hundred and eighteen units of affordable housing They spent thirty million dollars renovating that to get a hundred and eighteen units Likewise this Berkshire, Sheboygan would be right around the same number and they're spending around 25 to 26 million so you can see that Renovating existing buildings is a lot more costly than it is to build from the ground up Sue is also asking out of the out of there about tiny homes If anyone has looked into The possibility of tiny homes for low-income housing I Don't know that anybody has and I think what you're seeing is that no one has been able to build a tiny home that Is able to be built is able to be lived in in the winter when it's 35 below zero Any home shows you see online? They're all in warmer climates that don't have winter Conditions like we have so until somebody can design a tiny home that has the our value that's required To live in that thing year-round I don't think you're going to see them built but maybe in the future as somebody comes up with the design that works But right now it does not exist Thank you. Thank you We have more questions, but I think we will move on And if we get time at the end we will be asking those questions once again so we're going to move on to Arpa dollars and the recommendations for that and Brian's going to speak to us about that. Thank you Chad Thank you Chad Good evening. I'm Brian Doudna. I'm with the Shippewa County Economic Development Corporation and We'll get our slides up in a moment. So I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you tonight I'll talk a little bit about the Economic Development Corporation and what we're what we're up to At a county-wide level and then get into the ARPA recommendations next slide. So just from I moved to Shibuya County in October of 2020 we did a strategic planning process in November of 2020 and we adapted the new strategic direction in December of 2020 and you'll notice number four is single-family home development Very definitely there had been a lot of initiatives around departments, but we're saying It actually is affordable single-family homes that are really the niche where we're going to be trying to because we've built the Awareness of Shibuya again as a place to build apartments now We have to build the awareness for single-family homes But you can also see some of the challenges that we have in the marketplace With the net population growth net in migration We're in the 380 metros in the country. We're ranked 364 or 329 So but we're the number one in large organizations for the size of our population base and employment base Not number one. I mean number one MSA in the country So when you think about the unique business models that we have in this marketplace It is truly a unique model and a unique situation and economy that we have here so When we look at Preservation of our economy and also I always look at preservation of wealth I think this is mission critical for the county and all municipalities throughout the county next slide Our challenges lack of affordable housing so back in June of 2021 This is a little more current than what you saw in the housing study But a balanced housing market for single-family homes. You typically have around 120 days of housing supply as Of June of last year. We had 10 days of housing supply in Shibuya County for homes under 250,000 in the entire county for all price ranges. We were at 20 days so the natural market forces of single-family homes is really just not Functioning appropriately at this time in the county Regardless of municipality and next slide You saw this slide in Chad's presentation. We just added to it Because of the great recession you had a lot of single-family Home contractors that went out of business or were unable to build single-family homes at a affordable rate Just because they couldn't get financing because of the shrinking of the financial markets They were not able to go out and build and get Homes built at the traditional levels And then you can see what the SEDC in 2015 with in partnership with the municipalities Really went out and started working with developers to bring in these we to type tax credit deals So you can see the uptick but our single-family homes just because we lost a lot of builders over that time frame just has not rebounded at the same pace and It will get into the market forces of that next so next slide And try to understand all the dynamics of what's happening We are working with UW Madison real estate and urban studies and two classes will be coming into Shibuya County To assess up to 20. I said 15, but I just submitted 23 parcels today That they will be looking at for what is the highest and best use? What's the mix of housing that can be brought to bear to support? The type of homes and the pricing of homes that we need on the marketplace So that's not all single-family homes, but that could be a mixture of senior tied back to the housing study senior independent living as well as rentals So the good news from my perspective is is that the UW? classes that Residential property development that is their capstone project. So they go from Identifying the site coming up with renderings of what that site might look like and then actually saying how can you finance it? And how can you make it work? So what we're trying to do is of those 23 parcels We're gonna have a game plan on how municipalities and help make those projects come to fruition So applaud what the city is doing with the projects that I just talked about But what we're trying to do is help build the additional pipeline Throughout the county and not just the city of Shibuya, but throughout the county But I think for the city of Shibuya and up the 23 parcels six of them were in the city of Shibuya next slide So from a county-wide perspective Forming a housing strategy land of identification Target lands and that's what the city has been doing with what they just mentioned But we are trying to do that throughout the county Recruit developers and builders within parameters to meet local goals again Making sure that they know the type of housing we want the price points that we need to hit so that Again, we get a housing mix that actually meets the local needs of the various populations that are out there We are also working on Financial tools with the financial institutions And I won't go into detail on that but in a couple of months you'll hear more about the financial institution tools that are going to be developed And then as far as when we're looking at these affordable homes and affordable lots The way I view it is 50 and 60 foot lots are what can be built with the cost of construction 50 foot frontage For a housing lot and 60 foot are really what's going to be affordable type of homes Because of the cost of sewer water and all the Infrastructure that goes through that if you look at history and what has been done And I would agree with Chad on the city of Shibuya a lot of the Neighborhoods are on 50 to 60 foot lots Kohler also is in where they were doing the build out Between 52 and 60 foot lots in Kohler as well So what we're really doing is going back to that infill mess build out models for affordability And then the market rates Lots, which is where you're seeing most of the homes being built today are 70 to 90 foot frontage lots and that cost of infrastructure going across that Home a lot is really where the costs continue to go up So you're looking at an individual lot going for 50 to 60 thousand where the affordable lots need to be in the 30 to 40 thousand and hopefully lower than that, but that's where development agreements with municipalities tiff arpa Tax credits from weda all need to be part part of the strategy moving forward next slide And we don't call them tiny homes, but we call them smaller homes and so what we're looking at from trying to make sure that Zoning codes we can look at The lot sizes and things of that nature But also making sure that we look at home sizes that are more affordable as well So that as people want to downsize From larger homes into smaller homes, hopefully they can have a newer home, but still Be independent and be in a price point that is affordable again cost of materials right now is A deterrent for affordability But that's where we'll need to come up with Innovative solutions to make all that work in a very short period of time next slide so now on to the arpa task force so we had 21 members from throughout the county Representing different organizations from the trades to the banking industry to habitat for humanity partners for community development Joe from your Organization your group participated and then also with the municipalities as well the one thing I would just say that We had and I'm showing in the next slide the number of meetings, but 21 participants I think the lowest attendance we had was 17 at meeting so Go on to the next slide And we had seven meetings And we covered a lot of what you talked about with arpa I should say alice report. We covered the shabuigan housing study We actually brought in the wisconsin realtors report on falling behind and what's going on and what our recommendations around zoning So we actually went through zoning and talked about what municipalities have to do to be More proactive in affordability and Providing options We also went through the financial programs of what a developer needs Well, a home might need as well as renters and the homeless And have had summaries from um Local service providers like cap here to the city to the county to Partners for community development as well as habitat So we really assessed and under tried to understand the local tools already in existence What populations were being covered? What were the gaps in that funding model in that funding matrix? So that we can try to come up with solutions using the county and or city arpa dollars Workforce housing recommendations, so we had a preliminary summary of what those might be We actually did Voting process to that And survey tool to that Then we had a separate meeting after we did some of that Then we did underserved populations and really focused in on what are the types of needs and the locations that might be appropriate And so at the end of the day We came up with recommendations that There will be four submitted to the county board and to the city of shabuigan and we'll go on the next slide Those four are tied to workforce affordable entry level housing And trying to provide as much flexibility to that Funding as possible. So chad talked about the different grant programs So trying to have some of those grant programs actually be tied to local dollars rather than state dollars would be Part of the goal here a home repair loan Program with the eligibility of up to 120 percent of an area medium income Currently the programs are 80 percent of area median income and below And those programs are not Being I guess utilized fully So what we want to do is increase that so we improve the housing stack across the county and so that those that may be Stretched on their home payments, but I still can't afford a little bit They can make some improvements to their homes the next Category is down payment assistance also for that same population so that Just because you're making it you still you there is that cliff of benefits and we're trying to help that population as well Many of those are also part of the alas population is And then the housing navigator Would be the last recommendation and trying to make sure that as these tools are launched and implemented that there is a way for people to access them and actually be Walked through the system and I always cut Hold their hand and make sure that they're Coming up with solutions that's best for them and for their opportunities as they are moving forward in Determining where their family might live Okay, so recommendation number one There will be a recommendation for three million dollars Tied to this workforce affordable entry level housing And that is going to be tied to potentially investing directly into Apartments it could be messaging financing on apartments. It could be finding land and acquiring land so that Other tools can be brought to bear to make things happen The goal is to build as many homes affordable homes as possible and I would I would stress that This would also be more focused in on single family homes not nothing against apartments But I would just say We would be looking at single family homes as much as possible because that is not part of the mix that Is traditionally out there. So one time dollars. Let's try to Deal with one time opportunity with single family homes The second would be two hundred thousand dollars to habitat for humanity I know they just received a two hundred and forty thousand dollar grant. I believe but prior to that In talking with their board and staff They have Enough volunteer capacity for building they build three homes a year. They had enough volunteer capacity for four But they didn't have the financial wherewithal to do four. So this is maximizing their volunteer commitment and maximizing where we can go Eligibility in the final rule you can see I just take take excerpts from the rule of arpa and Very definitely there's income levels tied to this and I would just say that The county will be able to have more flexible dollars not necessarily the city But the county will have more flexible dollars To make some of these recommendations come to market If they so choose So next slide The second recommendation is would be working with partners for community development and providing a 1.5 million dollar revolving loan funds tied to housing And that would be hopefully 35 projects initially Based on past utilization of similar programs that there would be 35 housing projects that could be incorporated and then again trying to improve stable and affordable housing To make sure that we have sustainable home ownership also home authorization Based on during the meetings with the task force some of the housing stock reports were kind of horrific from my perspective And so really trying to make sure that we're reinvesting in the existing housing stock as much as possible recommendation three Is down tied to down payment assistance There are down payment assistance programs at the local level But also at the state level and also through financial institutions So if you're under 80 percent of an area medium income You have access to down payment assistance through wita with wisconsin housing and economic development authority You can actually finance up to 100 percent of the house through wita So but they also Through local financial institutions You should be asking if they are part of a advantage plus program which provides $6,000 of down payment assistance For people under 80 percent of area median income and then you have the local programs as well What we also would be so in this case we would be looking at this $600,000 being tied to 80 to 120 percent of area median income Again trying to get that working family into houses rather than apartments And bring the affordability into play And you can see the eligibility And then the last component Is the housing navigator And that would be again a three-year pilot on getting Working with partners for community development They kind of serve in that role today based on the meetings that we had with the task force And we would be trying to support that type of initiative and that may be in partnership with municipality funding as well Well, thank you, brian that is comprehensive and it gives us a better understanding of arpa and Some of the projects that are going on countywide Um We once again ask if you have a question specific to what brian has presented You can unmute your microphone right now and and feel free to go ahead and ask your question Emily Go to go to the podium, please Ouch Okay, um, I just wanted to say like what we're talking about right now is a lot of recommendations Which I think they're all fantastic What is the likelihood that that funding will go through and those recommendations can become a reality? Very good question. I wish I could read the tea leaves of that. Um, we Present to the county executive committee on march third Okay, okay And so as you can imagine, there are many requests for going to arpa to get arpa dollars So all we can say is give our best case of why these should be priority dollars Is there a possibility that some of the recommendations will go through and not all of them? Correct Okay, because there's other initiatives for that money as well right now. Correct. So And I'll just say my understanding is of the county dollars and we're not talking about the city, but About the county dollars There's 22 million dollars that was allocated to the county around six or seven million of that has been Allocated already. Okay, so there's around 16 million is my understanding available for These task force and or for the county board to say what where are their priorities from a county perspective?  Yeah, okay. Yeah So so and everybody is vying for the same amount of money There's there let's just say every recommendation there are allocation requests and That would be a county board decision So it varies in percentages of that of that money based on recommendation each recommendation is a different piece Yeah, some of those task forces were working together Absolutely in conjunction so that they know of each other and that some of the is overlapping Well, obviously, I mean all these we've done bridges and we've done alice in here We've talked about the way the all of these pieces intersect and overlap So that's already been discussed in here. So I I love the fact that everyone's working together So thank you. I just I know the recommendations are fantastic. It's just a matter of how much of a reality They are really we'll find out march third, huh six Well, that's the first step. Oh, and then it goes to the full county board, which I believe would be in april Or may time frame. So they actually may be an election before the county actually takes action. Wow, okay So there's pieces we have good ideas and we're hoping that they're going to go through this is This is a this is beginning of the process. Excellent. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it I really love that that Getting involved uw and the ability that for them to come in and to do some of the The legwork and and just hearing that they they go all the way through the whole plan is just incredible Well, and and from my perspective, uh, I just see there's a lot of Individuals or families that are trying to determine what they want to do with properties And what's the next generation and this gives them an opportunity to get some free technical assistance and hopefully we can do this not just this time but Probably two or three years from now we can do that again Because the need for land and the need for housing is not going to go away And so this is a long term need within the county There is one question in here. Um, I see that chad answered Brandon's question about sidewalks. I hope that meets the needs of of that on sidewalk, but Tracy asked Brian presented a stat Whereby chip wagon was number one large institution slash 1 000 workers I missed the definition of institutions so we We're the number one msa metropolitan statistical area for large employers For the size of our workforce So we have more large employers As a percentage of our total employment. That's the way you should be looking at that. So when you look at I mean our top 10 employers are making up a pretty large chunk of our workforce And interesting that we brought that up because the next person up If we have no other further questions for brian right now is Kristen and she's going to tell us about workforce Issues and challenges in the housing area Kristen Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks for having me here today Um, I'm Kristen young. I'm talent acquisition manager for johnsonville My message today is going to be brief. Um, I'm here to provide the employer perspective on this topic And I thought I would just share this beautiful Dinner option. So if you haven't had a chance to eat yet On the way home feel free to go go pick up some johnsonville sausage and maybe you can make this recipe here I think we've heard some really great information today and um, I'm just like I said, I'd love to share kind of what we're seeing at johnsonville Just a little bit of background johnsonville's privately owned company like many of our other Large manufacturers in the area We're headquartered in shabuigan falls Our product is available in all 50 states over 45 countries We have approximately 3 000 employees, which we refer to as members About half of those members live and work here in shabuigan county About 700 members live in just the city of shabuigan So about 1500 in shabuigan county and about half of those 700 in the city of shabuigan so our main campus includes our uh global headquarters our technical center and we have three large manufacturing facilities And we also now have um acquired an additional manufacturing facility in shabuigan the city of shabuigan Which we call lakeside, which we are beginning to staff this year So talking just shabuigan county We can expect about 50 to 60 external hires Just into salary rolls for johnsonville on average per year And then we also hire approximately 40 external aberrations members a month And that's directly from the shabuigan county market Recruiting outside of shabuigan county is a must for us and for other companies in order to fill our open positions So what i'm sharing here Well, actually before I get to this um We know that shabuigan is a popular manufacturing county and we actually have 317 percent more manufacturing jobs per capita than the national average The demand for production skill sets has reached or exceeded the supply of readily available workers So our workforce as we all know is limited by population growth and a low unemployment rate We heard from chad from the city. We heard from brian We know that the chamber. We know that um several other organizations including johnsonville have prioritized Attracting new workers to the area So though the labor force participation participation rate and unemployment rate have been on the decline at the national level The monthly job openings as you can see in manufacturing have more than doubled At the same time the monthly voluntary separation rate has increased since the start of the pandemic So I decided to share these slides because I wanted to show you just how many open manufacturing positions We're seeing across the nation And this is something that we're seeing locally as well being the the hub for manufacturing shabuigan county All of these large companies are feeling it feeling the pressure It's not just johnsonville. It's cholera sargento. It's bemus rock line Masters gallery you name it. We're all struggling to find workers specifically in the manufacturing industry Excuse me. Sorry So we are really we are really working to to bring in workers from outside shabuigan county to to To to fill our lines Um, because even though we're bringing in approximately 40 to 50 manufacturing members a month That's not enough. Um, we have about a hundred job openings locally at any given time So we have plans in place to bring in folks One of our greatest challenges and that's the reason why I'm here today is the lack of affordable housing So we are most impacted by housing shortages in the like 100 170 k to the 250 k range Also apartment shortages and shortage of contractors, which we've heard today We are also looking for dorm style Housing units for both temporary and permanent workers and we know our options are very limited Um Many of the major companies in this area are privately held and they they aren't going anywhere. We are going anywhere So we don't have the population to support our manufacturing growth We have to bring people here We have done just like many other companies quite a bit of work in the last couple of years To update our pay to update our benefits to have very attractive opportunities available And we know that we have those available. We know that we can entice people to move to this area We just need to have the infrastructure available To support those those individuals and we don't have that today So lack of affordable housing, it's our biggest barrier To meeting those labor needs and hitting our fill rate Um, and that's I mean, that's what I have today to share I'd love to hear if you have any questions for chad brian or myself on this this subject Thank you, christin anyone have any questions for um christin or for brian Chad had to step out so I have a question for brian So, um, I noticed on your slides there was notations about permanent supportive housing um, and i'm wondering Yeah I'm thinking that it's probably the same permanent supportive housing that i'm thinking of and that those some of the projects that chad was actually talking about Include some of those permanent supportive housing units Um, but I just want to make sure i'm correct. And so I wanted to clarify really quick So permanent supportive housing is meant for individuals who are chronically homeless So they I think I talked about it in our last town hall So those are the individuals who have a disability and they've been homeless for 12 or more months in the last three years So and I want to make sure that i'm correct and assuming that so I would just uh phrase that this way All populations and all projects on the funding recommendations Anything that comes forward we're trying to be as flexible with those dollars as possible So that are the eligible population? Absolutely Are we guaranteeing that those that population would be targeted specifically with that recommendation? No, but um, very definitely we're not excluding them And if there is an opportunity to partner to make something happen Then the answer would be absolutely. We'll try to work with that Which brings up a good point about uh workforce development and partnering and coming into solutions um together I think that that that's one way to step forward is to get some um some coalitions going in relationship to the the the major employers in the area for helping with the workforce and affordability development And I'll just say The scdc has been working on those coalitions Since probably april of uh 2021 and hopefully there will be Some progress made announced over the next three four months so that very definitely It's a public-private partnership to drive affordability in the housing market Because what you're seeing with just the private sector and the market conditions We are getting at homes at 300 and up And that is not affordable for the workforce that we're trying to recruit into the marketplace or for the majority of the families that live and work in shabuigan today so That's where We had to come up with some of the parameters on what's affordable What's not and what's the size of opportunities so that we truly can have a public-private partnership advancing strategies And the city very definitely with some of their activities Is taking a step forward as well That that wide spectrum that you were talking about christin came through In what you were talking about in relationship to your needs at johnsonville and Throughout the whole county i'm sure Anyone else have a any questions that they would like for to be answered about the arpa Arpa recommendations or workforce Um Hey joe, this is sue keizer Hi sue Hi, I do have a question for the young lady that was talking just before when she From johnsonville when she was commenting about bringing people in you know workers in um as to Why you know, is it is it because like there are no people here in shabuigan county, you know like We we've just outgrown johnsonville and the other manufacturers with actual bodies or is it lack of training or So i think there's quite a few factors involved, but if you look at the The graph that was shared voluntary separations are up across all industries, but especially in the manufacturing industry Um through the pandemic So we have quite a few people that um have left the workforce and are jumping Jobs uh right now We also have expanded johnsonville. We um like I said, we're just hiring for a new facility in shabuigan Um, so we're increasing the number of people that are working And we know that our uh partners in the community have also expanded so like I mentioned several other manufacturing companies That are also going through expansions So we just simply do not have the population available today To fill the open positions And so yeah, we are all looking externally. We're all looking outside of shabuigan county Of course, we're going to continue the market within our county Um, but we know that in order to be successful. We have to bring other people into our area just to add to that It's just to add to that probably two months ago. I believe it was I was talking to the job center Market analysts and I think there was less than e hundred people on unemployment in the county So when you look at total employment And our unemployment rate, we are What would be traditionally considered full employment and so it's Um, there's people, but we are there's now a natural churn and so Very definitely it's needing to recruit in To really help fill the need and I'll just say I know of companies that have Over 200 positions available And so just with some of the larger corporations. It's uh, there is a desperate need for talent So brian, we have this one question here and I I guess I just throw it out there and see how you might answer that question is How will the arpa dollars impact the wide spectrum Of housing needs like homeless to the unable to find housing both renting and Buying homes So the whole wide spectrum the arpa dollars. How do you see that as Is impacting them for affordability and workforce just off the cuff I'm not elected official And I would say that is really up to the governing bodies of the city of shabuagan as well as shabuagan county um I think we have very informed local elected officials that um Have the best interests of all the residents in mind so I think countywide You're going to probably look at things a little bit differently than maybe the city of shabuagan Just because of the different needs or the perceived Needs in the marketplace. I think the city of shabuagan has a lot more data That they can make decisions on where the county might be more general And less targeted That would just be my initial reaction Just because the county is going to be covering All the municipalities Where the city very definitely With their dollars. I know they're allocating to some of the projects already But depending on if the grants come in that they I know that they've applied for additional grants So the question will be is will they have dollars to target? Everybody across the board So good. Thank you. Thank you Any other questions? otherwise, we will be once again Coming together there will be a panel of and we're trying to get Some faces that you maybe have seen here and then some that may be new for next time around we will um Try to find the full spectrum that we've had in the last three town halls and As you register You may have specific questions and please put your questions in the registration form And we'll tackle those and we'll also tackle them In the real time that we are through technology how I love it so Any other final thoughts? No, I just thank you for the presenters and again to the city of shboygan and everybody who came and um, I think the first time homebuyer stuff is phenomenal It'll move some people out of rentals and open up those rentals for other people. So Thank you. Thank you, brian. Thank you. Kristen. I appreciate it