Hello, everyone. Welcome. This is Kevin with Online Trader Central. Melissa Armol with The Stock Squish and Lee Jones with FifthTrade.com are here with us today. They're both here, and we will be starting promptly in just three minutes, three minutes to start time. Again, Melissa Armol and Lee Jones. Melissa is with TheSockSquish.com and Lee Jones is with FifthTrade.com. So thank you again, everyone, and we welcome. This is Online Trader Central. I want to welcome Mr. Kevin with Online Trader Central. We want to welcome each and every one of you to the presentation today. Today we're fortunate indeed to have two folks with us, Melissa Armol with The Stock Squish and Lee Jones with FifthTrade.com. They're both here to present, and they will introduce themselves in the appropriate order. But now we want to welcome each and every one of you. Please welcome our host and presenter today, Melissa Armol. Thank you, Kevin, and welcome. Welcome, everyone. My name is Melissa Armol, and I own a company called The Stock Squish. And I'm here today also with another lady. Look at that. Two female traders are going to be doing the lecture today. How fantastic is that? Her name is Lee Jones, and she owns a company called FifthTrade. So today is going to be about sharing some of our secrets. I'm going to share a secret with you. Lee is going to share a secret with you. It's going to be a very interesting lecture and timely, too, specifically because of what the market did today. So welcome. If you'd like more information, you can go to my website, www.thesdocswish.com. And if you'd like more information, you can also email me at Melissa at the stocksswish.com. When we're done with the lecture today, we'll answer questions. You can plop in the room questions as we go along. And if we are running short with time, we'll get to all the questions at the end. So first of all, I'd like to talk a little bit about my experience in Lee's experience. I actually am a live trader. I'm an equities trader. I own a company, but I trade daily money through Friday when the markets open in the morning. And I've been training for over five years. Lee is the owner of her company, too, FifthTrade. She's actually an options trader, different from what I do, but similar. She'll explain when she gets on today. She's had a lot of experience over 15 years trading options and trading the market. So I'm going to get some really good information today from both me and her about trading. This is what I look like. This is my picture. Meet Melissa. I'm an equities trader. Everyone always asks me, do you really trade live? And the answer is yes.  Lots of fun, very exciting. And this is Lee. She's an options trader. She also has a call of her own trade. She does an email list that she sends out, and she's going to talk about that more later, too, but this is Lee. This is what she looks like as well. Again, two female traders who are doing this for a living. There's not a lot of women that are actually trading in the market successfully for a living. And so it's very unique to meet up with ladies who do this. And I think it adds a lot of excitement when you see people from different places doing different things and yet still doing them in their own way successfully. So can you make a living as a trader? The answer is yes. And what do I mean by making a living? We were having discussion the other day. Making a living means that you're making enough money training the market to pay your bills, your food, your utility bills, your rent, or your housing payment, your car payment, your credit cards, those kinds of things. The great thing about trading the market is not only can you make a living doing this, if you really want to, and learn how to do it right, you can also get extremely wealthy trading the market. Now, that takes experience and time to build yourself up to get to that point. When I started trading, my dream was actually to become extremely wealthy trading the market. My dream was not to just do this for a living. Now, everybody has different dreams, but when I decided I wanted to do this, my dream was because I wanted to become a millionaire. That was my dream. I wanted to make a lot of money. I wasn't just looking to make a living when I did this. Now, I run into a lot of people and they want to do this just for a living. That's great. That's 100% realistic because I think a lot of people out there have different goals and sometimes they're very reasonable. People don't even know it. They don't even know how reasonable their goals are, and we're going to talk about that more today. So, me and Lee are two completely different types of traders who both trade the market daily for a living. We have similar styles, but use different mediums. I'm an equities trader and Lee is an options trader, but we both trade the NASDAQ and the New York Exchange. So, how can you become successful as an equities trader? I'm going to talk about that today. And how can you become successful as an options trader? Lee is going to talk about that today when she gets on a little bit here. One of the key ingredients behind every career trader is that they have secrets, and they are secrets. I mean, this is why you want to meet up with someone that's doing well because they'll tell you things that you might not learn from someone that wasn't doing well. These secrets help assist them in making successful trades on a consistent basis, and really that's what it's about. It's about the consistency. There's a lot of people that are in the market trading, putting their money into the market, whether it's every day or on a weekly basis or a monthly basis or a yearly basis, and it could be something just leaving like an IRA or 401k, or it could be something like an overnight trade or even a day trade, but it's maintaining the consistency that a lot of people struggle with. And this is what sets some people apart that do very, very well and some people that don't because they can't seem to grab hold of that thing, that one thing, that key ingredient that would make them be consistent, consistently successful to the profit. So many successful traders have things they do well, and very well.  It is something special, something special that sets a successful trader apart from the rest, meaning everybody else is trying to make it. And let's face it, that's a lot of the people that's most of the people. This edge can come from a skill set based on knowledge or experience, trading, trading live, and not just experience trading live, but making money live, because there's a feeling, there's a passion, there's an excitement, there's a conviction that goes along with that. It's something that almost can't, can't be taught, you've got to feel it. I can tell you what to do, I can teach you the knowledge, but you, you alone, when you take the trades and make money, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, that's how you're gonna build up the conviction and know that something works and that you've got it, and that you feel it, and that you're doing it and you believe, you believe the market can pay you, that yes, my goodness, I can actually do this for a living and quit my day job. So you've got to get to that point. How do you get to that point? Well, a lot of people make money in the market, but just not consistently. It's the consistency that many traders lack, and they really, really lack it.  Why do they lack it? Well, one reason is that people have no idea how to read directional bias correctly. I've talked about this before. It's so simple, but it really is a heavy, heavy subject, because this is why people aren't consistent. I know how to read directional bias very well. It's one of the secrets, okay, that I had that gives me an edge. So what is the secret of Melissa's, which is me, it's correctly reading directional bias. Whether stock is going to go up in the day, whether stock is going to go down in the day, whether there's absolutely going to be nothing to do in the stock at all, and it's a new play or what I call a nothing play. You don't do anything. I called this gap up on Netflix actually before it even did it. My video is on YouTube, and then it gapped up and it held. And then I kept calling the numbers for where it was going to go to. And a lot of people probably didn't see this. Why? Because of the fact that it did have this huge red sell-up bar that happened back here in the earnings last year in October. Try to get over the highs here. Couldn't do it. This is the end of 2013. And also had a few gap downs. I mean, the stock actually got down a few times before it made this gap here, which happened in January on the earnings that came out in January. The follow-through, however, didn't happen until here. Right in here where the stock rallied up here and made new highs. This is an amazing chart actually that I've called well ever since the beginning of 2013. And I'm calling the directional bias in this. It's higher. It's higher this year. It's continuing to make new highs and it will. How can I see this? How do I know how to do this ahead of time? And in the live moment, because I know how to read directional bias. Here's another one here. This was CLV. This was back just in the end of January.  It was a gap up on the 200-prime moving average. And I said it's not good. It's not going to work. It's going to fail. It's going to fail. Don't buy it. It failed miserably and actually could have shorted it. Now, I didn't do this. It's not something I do. I don't do failures, but I call this as a failure to alert people in the trading room not to buy it. And actually someone shorted it. Because sometimes people do play the failures that I call. But again, looks like a good gap. Gapping up. Gapping up overall of this here. Gapping up to the support. Gapping up on the 200. But I called it as a failure. Why? I read directional bias well. Another one here is Apple. I could go on and on and on about Apple, but I did call that Apple would do something very significant in the earnings that happened this past quarter for Apple in January. It was last week. And Apple gapped down. And I wasn't surprised. Why? Because Apple is in a downtrend. The gap down confirmed the downtrend in Apple. Apple is lower and is going to continue lower. And again, I have numbers for this as well. But this is a secret of mine. How I'm reading this, reading this, knowing, knowing what the overall trend is, which is to the downside, knowing that it's going to continue what you did in the gap, and seeing that this is going to continue, even though this is trying, trying desperately, really trying here just since Friday, but it's not going to cut it. And actually today's confirmation even continued and followed through to the downside more. So how do I know how to pinpoint directional bias accurately?  And the worst thing you could do is take a trade in one direction, kill it, take it in another direction, go back and forth like this. I never, ever, ever trade like that. It's a mess. It's a mess for your mind. It's a mess for your account. It's a waste of commissions. You've got to know what you're doing, know the direction before you take the trade. Either works or it doesn't. And that's it. Okay. This none of this going back and forth. Oh, let me buy it. Oh, it's not working as along. Oh, let me short it. Oh, it's not working as a short. Oh, let me buy it again. And all of a sudden you just take four trades and you did three things in a different direction and what's your end result going to be? Losses. Okay. You have to know the directions before you take the trade. Have a conviction. Know the reason why you're looking at the directional bias that way. It must be accurate and you take it. And that's the way to do it. Now, I'm going to talk today about the spy. And the reason I'm going to talk about this is because it happened today. It was a great call that I made. And I think there's a couple of things here that I want to address about trading as well that I just was thinking about today. You plan everything that you know, which is what I know when I trade the class that I teach, okay, which I'm going to talk about in a little bit, which is how to read directional bias and gaps. You plan. You have all the information. You've got all the knowledge. You have the work. You do it in the morning before the market opens. You know what you're looking at to trade. You know the direction. You want something to go and you have it all planned. But in the live, live moment, as a real live trader, you must see things when they happen if they set up differently than you planned. So what am I talking about here? When I got up this morning at around eight o'clock and looked at the market, the market was gapping up. Okay, it was a bullish gap. It's like right around here. I said, oh, interesting. We're going to follow through today and I read the gap in real live time. Now, by the time before the open, look what the market did. It actually was not gapping up anymore. It was actually gapping down. Here was the close of Friday and here's the opening today. Now it wasn't a big gap down, but it was a gap down. What is a gap? A gap is when the closing price from yesterday is different from the opening price today. This doesn't look significant, but it was significant. And in real life time, I saw that. I saw the failure to go higher here plus the gap down in the morning and called a short in the market to a huge target today, which you'd actually went to and surpassed. And I called it very early and you could have taken advantage of the trade and we're going to go over it here today. Now, I want to talk about this whole spy, the whole market here. We are still in an uptrend. I love to short. It's my thing. I like to do it. I like to do it more than anything else, but the market's still in an uptrend. My call for this year is still intact as of right now, despite this activity today, but in the longer term in 2014, we're going to stay in the uptrend unless otherwise noted, or I see a change in the price action here that would make me see otherwise. But for now, my overall bias to the market is that it's going to continue and fall through in the uptrend this year, 2014. And we're still in an uptrend now, despite the deep fall-off we've had in the last two weeks here, which is deep. Now, I was looking for the market to fall in here last week harder. Okay? And there was an area in here. This is an area here where the market comes down to support, comes down to support, rallies comes down to support, made the big bottom you tell this is in a December rally, gapped up, came in held, tried to go higher here, this is the beginning of this year, gapped down, gapped down, had a hard fall held, did a double bottom, did a triple bottom. This is actually quadruple bottom here, really. But I kept looking here for the market to fall. Why? First of all, I felt the heaviness in the market. Okay? Second of all, because we're in a bullish market, I'm looking for people to buy, buy back in to make them move up. And the activity that was going on in here was in power buying. So I didn't think we'd get the lift to make it through over and above ourselves. We didn't have a follow-through. One, two, three. We have no follow-through here. The market was choppy back and forth, back and forth. I was looking for a deeper pull-in. Okay. And I'm reading the directional bias. So I'm running in the short-term timeframe to trade in today because I'm a day trader, which I was looking for to break and fall like it did today to the downside, to a deeper area. But the overall trend of the market is still bullish. So again, you're planning, you're planning what you're doing today, and then you're looking at the overall bigger picture and you're seeing things. And you live in real time. If the market had followed through today bullish, so be it. It would have done its thing and I still would have done my trade, but it didn't. And this was a great call today because it had a really huge risk to reward. And I know that a lot of people saw the gap up in the market, saw the way the market was holding in here, one, two, three, four days, and thought it would today when it retested the area and probably tried to buy it down here at the retest. But how did I know it was going to break when it hit before it even broke? Because of the gap. Because of the fact that we gapped. And I loved to short gaps.  This really doesn't look like much, but it was real. And it's important to see this here today and even for the people that already did my class and trade with me because I got to point it out. This really was very significant. And this whole thing here was significant, actually the fact that we couldn't hold this. So no matter what you trade or how you trade, you've got to get the direction right. You've got to get the direction right or you're not going to make money. And nobody has time to waste getting in long and quitting, chilling the trade going short. You can't do that. It's just a waste.  But it doesn't do you any good and it really totally diminishes your overall confidence and self-confidence and conviction, everything you feel about yourself to do this. And by golly, you've got to have confidence when you do this. You really have to have confidence when you do this. I can't have enough. In fact, I put some video on YouTube the other week and somebody tweeted something about this because I was talking myself up in the video. I can't do that enough. This stuff here is amazing when it works. It's amazing because I see it before it happens and I'm able to profit from it. It can be amazing for you too if you learn how to do it. This is the most fun thing I've ever done for a living. It is the most fun thing I've ever done for a living when you know what to do. It's the easiest money you can make. And not only that, you don't even have to do this all day long. I don't sit and trade until four o'clock every day. I trade in the morning I'm done. Now you could trade all day if you feel like it, but why? You don't even need to. And some of these trades like Netflix and Apple, you could just take one of these monster huge calls that I've made and just sit back and make money for the whole year and not even do anything and just be in the trade all year. You'd have to be in it for a longer term though overnight. You have to get directional bias right. It is so important. It's one of the number one reasons why people lose. And if you're not consistent, you're probably not consistent because you don't know how to redirection. I hate to say it. Everybody goes on and on and saying, well, it's, I know what I'm doing. It's just my discipline. Oh, I've got to get my discipline right. If I just, if I just have my discipline, I know I could do it. Probably not. It's probably that the thing that you're doing just doesn't darn where I'll work. So just figure something out so you can get better as a trader. You know, a lot of times traders blame themselves. Don't blame yourself. It's not your fault. Learn something that works. Okay.  This isn't about that. You just got to learn what to do and get the knowledge and do it for Pete's Sakes. Okay. You've got to get the direction right in your trades. If you're not, then you got to learn how. If you're losing, you probably aren't getting the direction right in your trades. You've got to figure it out how to do this. You will make money more than you ever lose if you get the trade in the right direction. It doesn't even matter if you don't even hold it to the target. It doesn't even matter if you only take it and scalp it. You could take size and scalp it out. You could take it and hold it to a dream target. You could take it and hold it to four o'clock and walk away with the stop in and put an order in to take it out. You could do whatever you want. How? Why? How can you do this? You've got to get the direction right. So I'm an equities trader and Lee is an options trader and I'm going to talk about an equity trade today in the spine. Lee is going to talk about an option, but the point is it doesn't even matter whether you did an equity trade, whether you are a day trader, whether you're an options trader. It doesn't matter if and as long as you get the direction right. Okay. So you have to learn how to do that. And it's all about reading price. So if you want to trade, you need a plan and that means a strategic method to pick direction so that you know what you're doing when you get up in the morning and you have the plan of action and then you see the stock or the market on the live day and if you see it doing something that it's not supposed to be doing then you read it live like the market today. If you had thought the market was a long today and knew how to read price direction and gaps, you would have seen the bullish gap up this morning but then by the time the market opened seeing the gap down and you wouldn't have bought it. So then you wouldn't have lost money in the long and you would have shorted the market to make money to the downside. Having the plan of action but then seeing that something happens different in the live day. So I teach a class. It is a system. It's actually a system to rate gaps which is telling you what's going to happen the directional bias of the stock or the market on the day. It's a 26-point rating system. I actually go through 26 things for any stock that I look at and this is how I read the market too. You can do it with the market. The same thing. You could go through the rating system and rate the market. The purpose of the system is help you evaluate which gap to trade each morning using a checklist and again you could do this with the market. You could take my class and rate the gap in the market every single day and then you'd know what to do with the market. Then you'd know what direction the market's going to do and you know how to take your other trades your core trades or your day trades. So the 26-point checklist tells you what to look for. What am I looking for? It's in the price. It's in the price of the daily chart which tells you what it's going to do on the day. So the class is called the golden gap course. It teaches the strategy and how to trade gaps and again this teaches directional bias of the stock or the market or any ETF. The course teaches a 26-point rating system to find the best stock to trade each day. The course teaches you how to read directional bias to trade the stock on the day. The course teaches you chart analysis and technical analysis on an advanced level and this is one of these secrets that I have. Looking at price in a very advanced way is a specialized area that is based on a skill set that I teach people. It's getting the knowledge to do this getting the knowledge to do it putting into practice and then getting the conviction yourself when you see the real profits in the money. So the class is called the golden gap course. It's a full two-day course on how to strategically find, pick, and play stocks that are professional bearish gaps. Retakes are free. The class is online and it's this weekend. If you're interested it's this weekend from nine o'clock to five o'clock Easter time February 8th and 9th. The cost of the class is 24.99 and if you're interested email me here at melissa at thestockswish.com. At the end of the class we're going to talk about a special that Lee and I are doing a combo special together as well. So let's go over the trade and the spy for today. Here again is the move that the spy made. The market actually had a very rare power trend day. One of my name bit power trend where the market sets up early in the morning and power trends all day in the in a certain direction. Today was to the downside. Market has had power trend updates in this chart. Today was to the downside. It actually hasn't had a whole lot of power trend down days. This was one back here actually just in the last month and then today was two and I knew when we broke this area that the bar would be bigger than the bar back here. In fact I even said it all in here. I said oh it's going to it's going to be a bigger day than this day. It just took a couple days for it to do it and you see the extension here and you know you got to take advantage of days when the market power trends. Whether it's long or short because you could almost take every setup. Every single setup in the market that had happened today. But here was what I saw the market do. Okay this is this is a spy in the open. The spy opened here, wiggled and jiggled, traded higher, tried to get over this area here, tried, tried and had to do it right away but didn't and failed. Here was actually the confirmation. This was an aggressive entry here if you wanted to do this. Actually this is more aggressive or here. Then when it broke and rallied up here, here was the short. Right in here. Stop. Very very tight here and you can see where it hit. Here is where all of this is happening. All the break in here. Here is where it goes all the way through. Now here let's go look at this in the daily. This is 177. That was that long bar happened before this. Now listen this is important. First of all I made the call before it even broke because I knew it would break if it touched it. But this is a gap down. You're in it. That red bar that happened. This is a one-minute chart. This red bar here is not the break on the daily. This is before it because this is the touchdown here. I'm sure people tried to buy this. They were stopped out almost immediately. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Within 10 minutes they were stopped out immediately. I'm sure people bought this thinking that this was going to pull. But this big red bar here happened before that. And also I saw this set up back in here which is why you know I call the trade but do you see why this is a sign of weakness. This is not a sign of strength. It came down to the support area but you don't buy this. And also the stock gap down. I mean the market gap down. I'm reading the spy. It's an ETF. You can read the same as a stock. Okay so look at this trade here. First target was $175. Second target was $174. It actually broke $174. This is no ads, no nothing. Just one trade here, the trade I called in morning at $9.56. Price of the spy if you wanted to short it was $177.71. Stop was over $177.85. It was a 14 cent risk. This is an advanced risk of $560 which means you would have shorted 4,000 shares of this. Exit at the first target in this trade. No ads, no nothing. It was $10,840. And I don't know if $10,840 pays your bills for the month but do you see how you can make a living doing this. This is plain, this is one trade. You risked $560. You didn't have to do that. You could have risked less. What if you only risked $250. Half of this you would have made over $5,000. Still a really nice trade. The risk to award in this trade whether you took 4,000 shares or 1,000 shares or 2,000 shares with a 14 cent stop is 19 Rs. 19 times the amount you risked you made in profit. This is a great trade. This is a great call. It was a great call not only because of the risk to reward but because I saw the market directional bias to break and I saw it four days before it did it. And this is what Lee can talk about. If you read directional bias the way I did you could have done an option of this. Seeing that it was going to do it. Seeing that the spy was going to get to $175. I've been talking about it for a week and it did it today. Exit at the second target was $174. You could have made almost $15,000. Risking $560. Risk to award is $2650 on the amount risked made in profit. Again, can $14,000 pay your bills in a month? I don't know. Okay. So in any event this is really, really the thing to do when you see a call and you see the target at hand. When I see a stock that is doing something significant or the market like today, I know where the target is and I know it's going to go there. Okay. So how do you learn how to do this? Reading directional bias. Reading the directional bias and knowing the price that it hits when it gaps and then seeing where it's going to go to with the target. Does everything go to the target every day? No, but lots of times things do. And as you see in this trade here, the market actually broke $174. It just ran out of day. I mean just flat out ran out of time. So it's one of these things where if you knew how to read directional bias in the spy of the day or in the last week or the last month, you could have day traded this, court traded this, swing traded this and been in this overnight all the way down to the number, which was $175 actually. And you could have just stayed in it to $174 because it just fell like a brick today. You could have done an options trade in this. So many different ways to do this, but it all comes down to this same, same focus. The major, major, major crux, which is the gap, which tells me the directional bias, which is why I'm a great trader. I'm a great trader because I trade gaps and gaps teach me how to take a trade in the right direction. How to read a trend of a stock or the chart or even the market and see these entries to do something like this. It's, you know, you can short the market at 12 o'clock, but isn't it better to short the market at 10 o'clock? You can short the market at 2 o'clock, but isn't it better to short it at 10 o'clock? Isn't it better to be able to take a trade where you make a 19R trade? Okay. That means for every one dollar you made 19. And if you held it to the, all the way to the load of the day, for like $1 you made 26. You don't even need to do this every day. You don't even need to do this every week. You have a trade like this. You have big days, two, three days a month, and you focus on what you're doing. Keep trading well, building your account, paying yourself. You're doing it. You're doing it. It's 100% possible.  It's just what you have to focus on. It is possible to make a living trading, but you do need to know what to do. And in order to know what to do, you got to learn it. It's just as simple as that. You've got to learn it. Consoles ask me a question. Consoles, you've been in my free trial trading room. I think you've asked me this 10 times. Consoles, I love you. I don't know who you are. You're a stranger to me. Gaps do not fill themselves. They don't fill themselves. I've answered this question before. You don't believe me, but I don't know what to say to you, Consoles. They don't, sweetheart. They do not. And they just don't. How do I know? Because I'm reading the price of the gap. I'm reading them and I'm trading them and I'm making money doing it. And so are there people too that I'm teaching? They don't. It's false. I know there's places out there that teach it. Let it go. Let it go. Learn what to do. You're so funny. So this was, here's the trade into the close. I mean, this is into three o'clock. So could you have done an options trade in the spy? Yes. Yes, you could have. You could have. So Lee is going to talk right now. And then when Lee's done, I'm going to come back and close up here, ask questions and talk about the special. But you know, here's a great example. I read this market coming in, a short-term polling, short-term polling, and then there'll be a place to buy, not yet, not yet. But you can do an options trade taking advantage of this or you could have if you knew how to read this direction and you could have taken it out today with profit. So I'm going to hand it over to Lee. Here you go. Can you guys hear me? I just want to double check before I move over and get started. Okay, great. Isn't she awesome? You know, in the amount of time that I'm on the list, you will not find anybody that has a better work ethic. She and I have been communicating after hours, weekends, it doesn't matter. We have a line, but trust me, we also know when we need to handle something and that's what we do. We try to make sure that we handle anybody that needs any kind of question or anything like that. Let me get, make sure my presentation is working and the list is a little more experienced at working with this. Kathy, if you're standby, I'm going to make sure that you just got to let me know that you can see this. Can you, can we see it? If we can see the presentation? Oh, we'll get moving. Okay, awesome. Okay, I am Lee Jones and yes, I like the list. I got tickled because she and I are taking pretty much the same trade. We both trade gaps and I love the fact that she has her 26 point system. I think that's very helpful for those of you that don't know how to read technical charts. I am going to pull up a chart momentarily because we both traded this by today, but I want to go through a few things and make sure new people understand what options are and that type thing. A lot of times in my room, you'll see us type ATAD right here at another trade another day. We get tickled because that's not a ticker symbol, but we know we can't catch all of it, but as day traders, we try to catch, you know, several trades per day. Now I'm much like Melissa, I don't enjoy seeing their trading in the afternoon, but when there's a lot of volatility in the market and it's bad weather outside, you may see me over there and I'll trade anything that moves. I live in Myrtle Beach, so in the summer, I'm going to be outside the beach. I'm not going to be sitting here reading charts after this. So we try to trade in the morning. I try to keep the best time to catch stock trade. We are time sensitive with our trade. I used to take students through the exchanges in Chicago. We would go through the CBO, we'd go through CME, and I'll try to show them there what the traders were doing at certain times in the morning because it's perfectly true. Once you learn what the market makers were doing, you look at this a lot differently.  They don't even bother other times and that's pretty much the way we are. I am, as I said, Lee Jones. I've been trading for 15 years. When I started trading guys, online trading, retail trading was not consistent at that time. I had to call my brother. I actually started trading before that. I had to call my brother and pay $50 on the device to start for me. I would look at the newspaper and I had a problem I passed and I would map inter-day data. Now the newspaper and I tried to pick my trades. I called my broker $50 for him to put me in the trade and then when I was ready to sell $50 to get me out. There was no day trading that didn't exist. When each trade came on the scene, I was so excited because now I'm paying $29.95 from my commission and I thought it was hot stuff. I could go in and make my trade and put it on myself. I still love my broker but I could do it myself. Now I have brokeries, we have our discounted rates. My group has a discounted rate. We don't pay those types of commissions at all. So what I want you to understand is it's a matter of choosing options choosing trades that fit your style. Some people try their best to trade different strategies that don't work and I'm here to tell you if you don't have the system that works, you're going to fail and I don't know why people think if they continue with the same input they're going to have a different output. So what I like to do is day trade. I do trade from Melissa Mitchell's core trade. That's what I do as well. I have certain symbols that I trade as cores. I may hold them. If you can see right here, I rotate one to five in which means one to five nights. Okay, one to five nights. I do trade complex strategies but I prefer to stay with call to put because I enjoy getting in and getting out. I'll trade anything that moves. I guarantee you if you have a ticker symbol I trade you too and that's my line. I trade anything that moves. I do want to come back and chat with you just a moment and come back and talk about it again but Melissa and I kind of collaborated a little bit so we could come up with a budget class for you so we'll talk about that a little bit more but let me go over a few things about options that I think are interesting. Number one, I had a small account when I first started. I traveled. I am a by-trade. I have an ISO 9000 control set. Anybody that's in manufacturing aerospace lab on notice, you may know what that is but it is a quality standard so I'm a vast and stat person. I'm all about statistics. So I'm all about processes. In other words, I put input one, input two, input three and we should have that same output. Sounds right in theory but it doesn't work in the market. Why? Because you have too many variables. So I think I would like for you to look. If anything, look at your 2014 years. Look at 2013. Have you been a trader? What type of success did you have and how can you learn to improve the 2014? If you're a new trader, back up, take a deep breath and take 2014 to learn how to do that. My kid started learning how to do this in the third grade. She bought her first stock in the third grade. She had enough money, Home Depot, blessed parts, tanks one day and I heard it on the news because again online charting and all this was not not existing. I called my broker, bought my shares of Home Depot on the drop. At that time, you know, I didn't even know how to share it. My little girl had enough money to do one share of Home Depot. So when we booked out Home Depot and got our profits, she got our profits and she was hit from that point. She has traded before school. She's now in college and she will get up, trade a little bit and then head to school. So she's learned how to do this and I do teach young people. I teach high school and up but my kid learned how to do it and I highly suggest that you sit with your kids. I sit here with pictures in my office that grandchildren and children have drawn candle charts and they're four, five, six, 15 years old and I frame them and I hang them up because those little kids are learning how to read technical analysis and re-changing. So if they can do it, you can certainly do it. Now the beauty about options guys, let's just get you excited. Let's think about a store just a moment. Let's say we have this fictitious store and we have our Valentine's merchandise. We're going to price our Valentine's merchandise because we're in our prime right and we're on Valentine's days around the corner. What happens when Valentine's day is over and we still have much to go. We have one or two options that we can do. We can hold it, try to sell it next year or we can put it on sale and that's the way I look at it with my trading account. I look at my inventory. My trading account is my store. I look at my inventory, my stock, my holding, my flip because you know to be honest with you, it's no different than me having a hardware store and we have a snowstorm. What am I going to sell? I'm going to sell quickly. I'm going to move my snow item to the front of the store. So I'm going to look at the market that way. I look out at each day and think okay what should I move to the front of the store that I can rotate quickly. So I'm all about that. I'm all about compounding. One thing about options and the beauty of options is they settle in one day. Once I learned that, I was good because with stocks, we wait three days for those to settle unless you're on margin obviously. However, I prefer my brand new students, you know the stock market, I prefer them large. I don't let any of my new students trade on margin until they and myself agree they're ready. But the beauty of the options is they settle in one day. It's dollar rotation. So I can take the profits of that day, move it into the next day. Okay, so I'm going to talk about this. Melissa's in and out on the same day. So am I for the most part. I don't have time to hatch these things. I will put on trades for swings and long returns. I'll hatch those. But the income trades that I'm trying to trade for each day I want to get in, I want to get out. I want to get in in the afternoon or top in the morning. And that's been one of the best trades I've told you I would tell you a few secrets earlier and I'll show you that in a minute. But I want you to realize right here, if I was taking a particular trade and I risked $2,500 on that trade for a swing, as example, I make $100,000. The life span of that trade would be around 45 days. That's still not a bad day to start. That's not a bad return. But I like to take that same $2,500, make $500, and I'm in and out of that in one to seven hours. Sometimes it's one minute, sometimes it's 11 minutes, sometimes it's $110,000. But that's the way I like to trade. I like to move in and out. Now, Melissa talked about Netflix. And I put this in here specifically because she and I both trade as Netflix on that gap. Okay, so she's trading looking at it a certain way. I'm looking at it a certain way. Okay, we grabbed the same trade right at the open. We grabbed it right at the open. I call that a vitamin because I think everybody needs a vitamin extra. So I tried to pull one out right at the open. That's fast and furious. You've got to practice before you do that. But we went in at about, I would say 931 as this candle, this animal three-minute candle. This one is a 10 minutes. I could get the whole chart on for you. But I trade on three. There's one line. I can trade on one minute, but three minutes helps me get my entries better. And I can tell you right now that I went in and I was out with that trade in a matter of three or four minutes. And I did, if you look right here, $303.61. Here's the trade. Look down here at 10.22, 9.38, where we actually got our field. We got in $1.49. This rounded up to say it's $1.00. Okay, we got out at $5.10. So that up here is a difference of $3.51 per contract. Now with an option, you're controlling $102. With your brand new option, we need to back you up just a little bit. We wanted to show you what that is. But with an option, you will put on this trade, see this where it says $1.49, we'll say it's $1.50. I'm controlling 100 shares, so I put $150 on my trade. $150. My profit, and again, this is because it was a wonderful gap, my profit was $361 per contract. So if I bought one contract, I'd have added $150. I made it $361 for my $150 risk. If you did 10 contracts, you could do the math. If you did five contracts, if you did two, you did 20, that's like that. I think it's a matter of trading to your account funds. I work with a lot of people in starters, you know, we're trading a $500 we can't put 10 contracts in. So we have to take it sweet. But it was a beautiful trade. We turned around and equated it again. The next day, just like Melissa, once you've learned direction, you're pretty well ready to go. Same thing with Amazon. This was last week. Amazon changed on earnings. And like Melissa, we're looking for these gaps. We have to be careful with Amazon, because Amazon, like Netflix, is a Wall Street garden, and people love to buy it. They love to buy it on the biz. But please be careful with some of these. However, the drop on Amazon this time was a little bit more substantial. So we shorted it instead. So going down, we're going to watch it. If you can look right here, you see, down here, I have Amazon staying on business. And you have the last part of 365 to change to $31.38. Underneath that, you can see we did the February for Amazon. Right at the open, right here, we did the, this is actually our second phase. We shorted it at the beginning, and we saw the quick mount. We got in and these are three little cameras. So this trade was over in three, six, nine minutes. So you could have bought this option at $79.00 or $71.00. Because you could fold it under. And you could have sold it at $92.00. That's that. You make the difference between the $79.00 and the $92.00 to $100.00. So this was a stop at afternoon trade I wanted to show you. This is a live trade that I'll talk in Friday, because Melissa and I were talking about trying to have a few live trades for you to look at that are relevant. That's what we try to do because we're both relevant in day traders. You know, we have trades that happen every day. So I wanted to pull this one out. And this is actually Yahoo. And I wanted to pull up an option chain. Again, if you're new to options, please bear with me. It's worth learning. But as you can see, on Friday up here, January 30th at $155.00, I noticed that we've got this move up. I trade these particular averages. I trade particular numbers again on a mass person and our confirmation set up. Off we go. We bought the option right here. We bought the $35.00 call. And you can see the last site is $172.00. And that was me. I bought that at a $72.00. That translates into $172.00. So I risked $172.00 per contract. Okay. So if I did one contract, I'm going to send you $2.00. If I did 10 contracts, $1720.00. Okay. Within two or three minutes, because we didn't wait for this whole thing, on that big volume candle up there, we're ready to take it, because we're quick, countless of traders. You can see that it hit $189.00 or $100.00. I was out at $188.00. That's me, right there. I actually took that trade at $157.00 or $155.00. A two-minute trade, just like to build this example for you. Okay. So if you see that we got it at $172.00, we sold it at $188.00, $16.00. They don't say what the lot, but it's $16.00 a profit per contract. Okay. If you did a 10-lot, that's $150.00 a profit. You did a 20-lot business. Okay. So I wanted to show you how quickly you can move some of these. So some of these are trades for daily and weekly income. I'm going to go back to the spy right there. Make sure I can get my spy on here. I think I'm going to be stuck there. I'll come back. There's really just one moment and I will try to come here until we see my spy chart. If we can see that, it's the same thing we traded today. We traded this block today. So we traded the spy $169.00 to it, meaning we felt like it was going down. So we put it, I told people, even way to remember that, we should put it in the trunk. Okay. Black, I'll go back to it and say where I am. I don't think that chart's going to pull up. But we did trade that up for that. And tell me when I saw it and tell me something that you're seeing. Thanks for bearing with me, darling. You want a second to get on? They'll set that up. Am I back on? Okay. Let me do that. Okay. Just one second. Sorry, darling. Thanks for your patience here. Okay. I wanted to show you a live chart, but since I'm not quite patient with this digital software, there we go. That spy we chose was the $169.00. We bought it before $80,000.00. Okay. We bought the kit because we thought it was going down. All right. We're buying it for $89.00. How much did we put on that trade? Remember, it sold $100.00 for $89.00 for my darling. We sold it about 30 or 33 minutes later for $1.50. Okay. So from $89.00 to $1.50, that's $0.61. That's $2.00. $1.50 is $0.00. No problem. No problem. Maybe it's $2.00. That's the market for trade prices for you every hour. They're out there. It's just a matter of who you choose to sit there. I know. I know when the institutional traders are trading and they go to watch and they are looking at other things. You want to kind of piggyback with them. But if you're a momentum trader, you like what you can do with the option because it's less risk, but it's a great reward. Now, people will always ask me, I don't understand how you can buy an option if the market's going down. But that's the beauty of the strategy, an option. Because if the market's going down or if the stock that you're looking at is going down, let's go back and look at Amazon again. Because we have this gap down on three-minute charts, I never do anything really aggressive that first three minutes. I will. Again, I'll try to get a feel. But it takes the market maybe 30 seconds or so before the option actually prays. So when you day trade options, you've got a little bit of what we call spread. So just like with the stock that I did in the end, you can see here with this Amazon, I have that spread $89.93. So I'm going to pay $93, which is my retail price. So understandably, these things move and they move fast. They move correlating with the other line. In other words, they move with the stock. So you've got to be able to ascertain which flight to choose, which month to choose, give yourself some time. I think most people make the state good options because they think every place they sit on is correct. And they jump in the play and they sit down, hold it, and hold it, and hold it. And then what you're going to do is option 5. Option 5. So you really don't want to play with them until you get to education and understand how to use them. But once you do, again, this is a great way to grow starter accounts. Most of my group trade the starter account. We all do. I do. I even trade a $500 starter account. And I'm a professional trader. I trade $37 account because I do manage trades as well. But I always have a starter account because it keeps my skills short. If I can take that $500 account and double it to $1,000, that's sweet. I don't try to do that during the open. I'm trying to make my income. But I'll find some trades here today. I'll go in and try to make some money to keep growing that account up. So it's great for starter accounts because, again, they will settle the next day when we're ready to go. So I think using that in conjunction with what Melissa does, I think you can see how you've got the beauty of the two to merge together. I think you can see how there's some good leverage here. To be honest with you, we don't have to have $25 to day trade options. I'll show you some how to do that. There are ways. It's all legal. There's ways to do that. That is a misconception. But, again, we don't have time to get into that. To be honest with you, we don't even have to have that for equity. But again, you've got to know what you're doing. You've got to have the right person. I know how to play against the rules and don't get into trouble. I get in trouble every now and new with good safe violations and things like that. I know how to do it and I know what to do. And I know legally that I can make some amount of trades until I can't get to the first side. And I do that. I stay within the rules and the regulations. I do exactly what the rules are. And that's how I grew my camp. I didn't have them. I had to grow it. I didn't have the money. I had to work and make every penny that I have. And therefore I'm very meticulous about what kind of trade I put on. I had to learn this. I had to get in there with a big boy to do this and I've been teaching it for a little over eight years and I've got a group that trades with me every day. They don't need me. They don't need me at all. But we trade together because we enjoy being together. We enjoy this. Melissa says this is one of the most fun things you'll ever do and they just make a living. So we do. We meet up. We try to make sure everybody knows each other because if you're going to be in a room with somebody, I need them to know what to look for. I need them to know that today we did doggone, G-O-G-O. We did the food on it. Look it up. It's February 19th. February 19th. February 19th. We bought it at about 30. It's about 30. We sold it at about 50 dollars. Okay. And you can go back and look at that. But it's just a beautiful way to trade. I'm going to stop talking here so I can come back and get it back over to Melissa because I think she wants to help answer some questions as well. Let me get back over here to you. Thank you for your time today, Gail. I certainly appreciate it and I do appreciate Melissa and it scales off. Melissa, back in. Wonderful. Great job, Lee. Very, very exciting. And if anyone has any questions for Lee, just plop him in the room there too. As I'm finishing up the lecture here, she can help answer some questions as well. I know Trace, she has a question there, Lee, if you want to answer his or her question in the room. So it's really about how to achieve your goals. And again, as I was saying earlier, everyone has different goals. You have to start training in a manner that you can have a plan of action to achieve your goals. Because if you start out, you know, hog wild, you may not give yourself a chance to reach your goals. You have to be very reasonable and have the goals in hand and know what you want to achieve. So ask yourself, where do you see yourself in a year? It's February 2014. It's very early. It's the beginning of the month, the beginning of the calendar year. In one year from now, what would you like to be doing? Would you like to be a full-time day trader? And options or equities that you're trading the market full-time from home, working from home instead of going to an office, and what do you have to do to make that happen? It's about how to become successful making money in the market. Because in the end, that's the goal. That's the goal for everyone. It's pulling the money out, getting the income, pulling it out every time you see an opportunity. Like Lee was saying, you know, it's capitalizing, capitalizing on the opportunity, like today in the market, the way the market fell, that power trend day. In order to short that, you were capitalizing on the opportunity that was there. They're present in the lifetime. So learn from people that are successful and doing it daily. And this sounds like something that a lot of people do. And yet, people really don't, I think, take it seriously enough. How important it is to learn how to trade. Because you can be back and forth for a long, long time, in fact, for an infinite amount of time. If you don't really buckle down and say, you know what, I got to get serious about this thing. I really want to do it. And the minute you get serious about it and decide you want to learn how to do it, you'll be amazing how quickly all of a sudden things come together for you. And you're making money. And you're doing it, like I said, it's easy and it's fun. So learn from real traders who will help you get there to kind of put the pieces of the puzzle together, like me and Lee. You're putting the pieces of the puzzle together, getting the directional bias, taking the trains, and you can do it as an equity or an option. I'm working on something right now with my friend Tom. It's called the millionaire map. I'm working on this and I'm setting it out where I'm going to be putting on my website. How can you get to a point where it takes you, you know, one to five years, I'm probably going to do a one to five year plan that you could trade the market and become a millionaire because it's very possible. And I know not everybody wants to trade the market and become millionaires. If some people just want to do it for a living, but you can make millions of dollars in the market. So I think it's good to have a goal out there, a plan of action to do it. And if your idea is to actually become a millionaire, this is a great way. So the Golden Gap course is a complete system to use to train. It will teach you how to make money in the market. It will teach you how to correctly read directional bias. And when you know how to read directional bias, you can profit from the market in many, many ways. You can do it for a living, for investments, or for the rest of your life to become wealthy. This is really, really what you want to do. It's up to you. You pick and choose what you want to do and set your own course. So the class is called the Golden Gap course. It's this weekend, February 8th and 9th. It's Saturday and Sunday from 9 o'clock to 5 o'clock Eastern time. The cost of the class is $24.99 US dollars. If you're interested in signing up, email me at Melissa at thestockswish.com. And we are doing a special with me and Lee. If you want to do the my class and her class together, her class is March 3rd. So my class is this coming weekend, her class is March 3rd. It's a package bundle deal for $29.99. This is a great deal, people. And this is really, really fantastic. You can do my gap class and Lee's options class for $29.99. So if you're interested in this, email me and we'll get you the information. Those are the days. So I have a question here. What time of the day are institutional traders active? Various times of the day, typically over lunch, they're not active. But the heaviest time of the day when institutional traders are looking at the market is in the early morning, which is when I'm taking my aggressive trades. If I don't take a trade between 9, 30 and 10, then I'm really not going to take a trade on the day. Those are the times when the institutional traders are looking at things. They're getting into the office, they're looking to stop pre-market and post-market, and they're taking positions on and off into the open. And that's why you see the volatility on the open. And it's very important to learn how to read that and trade it. And also, they're doing things pre-market because what is making the gaps when you see the gaps? What makes the gap in Apple? What makes the gap in Netflix? Large institutional money. So they're making those positions. They aren't buying it or selling it. And that's happening after hours, so pre-market and into the open. That's the heaviest, most active time. And that's why you have to learn how to read gaps. That's why you have to learn how to read that. You have to learn how to read that time, that opening time period of the day to profit from it, to get any, to make money. Good question. So your path to success is the Golden Gap class because it teaches you the directional bias and how to read technical charts very intricately. I'm also doing a special this month. If you do the Gap class this weekend of February 8th and 9th, I'm giving the wealth manifestation class for free. It's normally $399. This class is from 1 to 4 on February 25th. If you want to do this separately, it's $399. This is a trading psychology class. We really get your mind on straight and excited about trading. And talks a lot about how your brain acts in reference to your decision-making with trading. So this is a special offer for anyone that does the Gap course this weekend. New students February 8th and 9th, you'll receive the trading psychology class wealth manifestation for free. So you're actually saving $399. Plus the class offer with Lee, if you want to do that for $2999. So you get three classes. You actually get three classes for $2999. Lee's options class, the wealth manifestation class, and the two-day Gap course. This is really a great, great deal if you want to learn all this.  So the time to learn is now, 2014 now. And if not now, when? If not now, when? I asked this question because there's a lot of people that say, well, I'll do it then. I'll do it then. I'll look into this then. If not now, when? It's not the time to put things off the time to do it is now. I want to put two pictures in here. This is where I live in New York. This is a view from my apartment. That's a George Washington bridge. And this is where Lee lives. And she was talking about a two-hour Myrtle Beach. Beautiful. So when you trade the market successfully for a living, you can live where you want to live. You can have the lifestyle you want to live, whether it's in New York or on the beach. It's a great, great career if you learn how to do it right. So make this year your best trading year yet. Thank you so much for coming everyone. Any questions? Let's look right here at the time, right at the time. Does anyone have any questions for me or Lee? Thank you so much. Thank you, Online Trader Central for having us. Here's my email if you're interested in the class or more information or the special. Three classes for $29.99. You can't beat that, everybody. Great way to start out the year. It's still early enough in the year to take advantage of this market and all these great directional moves that are happening and setting up. Thank you. Wonderful. Great job. An email with any questions. Thank you so much, Online Trader Central. Have a great night, everybody. Email me if you'd like more information at Melissa at thestockswish.com. Thank you so much, Lee. Have a great night, everybody. You're welcome. Thank you so much for your time and your participation. We really can take advantage of the offers from both Lee and Melissa. It is now 5.31. We do need to close, so thank you, everyone. Have a great day.


Once you have the equations for the sales of model A and model B, or brand A and brand B, I should say, we build the model, and you can build it in a number of configurations. This is just the way that seemed most logical to me. I set up sales that would contain my variables, the unit cost of A, 175 we started with, unit cost of B of 250, and then the price of A, I just said it 200, didn't matter, and the price of B, I said it 300. In the sales cell, we put our equations, and here's that first regression equation, the intercept minus the coefficient times the price of A, which is there in cell B8, plus the coefficient times the price of B, which is there in cell B9. Similarly, we have the other equation for the sales of B, our intercept plus the coefficient times the price of A at B8 minus the coefficient times the price of B9. So once we have those two sales figures, we can calculate revenue. Revenue is just equal to the number of units sold times the price per unit. And cost, we're going to get the total cost, and that's based on the number of units sold there in C8, multiplied times the cost of A there in B4, and that gives us cost. If you build your model this way, then we can go back and vary these prices, I'm sorry, the cost of A, and we can vary the prices of A and B, and that'll change our model. Profit of course is just equal to revenue minus cost, and then I sum those down to get the total revenue, total cost, and total profit, which is the difference of revenue and cost. Okay, we've got our model. Now, first of all, we will use the goal seek trying to achieve a certain revenue. I forget what the problem was, we'll just make one up. We go to data, what if, goal seek. And our first is asking us to pick the cell that we want to achieve our goal, and I'm going to say revenue in D10, and I want it to be a value of $78,000, and I'm going to do it by changing a cell. We're going to change the price, but we can only change one cell at a time. I'm just going to click the price of A. Now, if you remember, because these are dependent on one another, when I change the price of A, I'm impacting the sales of A and the sales of B. So we can optimize or hit our goal just by changing that one cell. Click on OK, and just a few seconds, it's calculated to get our revenue of $78,000. We needed to set a price of $152.47 on A and a price of $300 on B, and we've achieved our revenue. Okay, let's now do Solver. We're going to click on data, Solver, and bring up our dialog box. Our objective this time, clicking that set objective, is going to be profit, and we want to maximize profit, and we're going to be changing cells. In this case, we're going to be changing both the price of A and the price of B, and I've got a constraint already in here, like the one I was messing around with it, and it says I want C8, which is the number of units of Model A, Brand A, Sol, to be less than or equal to 125, and let's just for the heck of it, add a second constraint, and in this case, I'm just sticking off the top of my head here, I want to set my total revenue to be greater than or equal 125, I'm sorry, 125,000, and that may work. I add that constraint, now I've got my Solver set up, I've got two constraints, and we want to maximize the profit, we're going to leave these default values there, and click on Solve, whoops, so I've given it constraints that it couldn't do both of those, so that tells me that I gave it an unrealistic situation, so let's go back, and I'm going to go back to Solver, and I'm thinking it's that one there, I want to change it, and let's try dropping that down to 95,000, okay, now let's see if it'll solve, okay, that time it did give us a solution, we've maximized profit, keeping the total sales of Model A below 125, we may have had a constraint from our manufacturer, and we've achieved our revenue of at least 95,000, 95,007 cents, so that's really how you use Solver, hope that helps.


In this last week's live show I talked about a broadband satellite launched aboard an Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. That was pretty interesting. Well there was another really interesting satellite launched aboard that very same rocket. This is your space pod for January 25th, 2018. On January 15th an Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle launched 31 payloads and one of them is an innovative new satellite called Vivid X2. Designed by a company named Earth Eye, Vivid X2 is a technology demonstration mission for a new fleet of video satellites. These satellites have onboard Ultra HD or 4K cameras that look back at Earth and can take video in several minute snippets. Okay, now visual satellites are nothing new, but the incredible thing about these birds is that we'll be getting high resolution images of the Earth only a few moments after they've been taken. So this is just a single satellite is designed to be a part of a larger constellation known as Vivid Eye. The constellation will consist of 15 satellites launched in batches of 5 with the ability to grow further as demand dictates. Now once operational each area will be covered globally at least two times per day. Areas of interest can be tasked to have more revisits as required. That means that the Vivid Eye constellation will be able to get Ultra HD video of every place on Earth at least twice every 24 hours. Systems like this will provide engineers the ability to see things like traffic flows in cities, cargo ship tracking, or even allow for 3D mapping of areas used by different angles from different satellites or the same satellite at a different time. Those 3D models can come back quickly after a natural disaster allowing for emergency workers to have better understandings of their surroundings. It's going to be exciting to see satellites and constellations like this grow. With the upcoming gigabit broadband low earth orbit constellations, the bit of forward planning that may be possible to link these types of Earth observation satellites with the broadband network allowing for real time Ultra HD coverage of the entire planet. Vivid Eye is just the first step in that. Now if you like this space pod don't forget to like and subscribe to us on YouTube and remember we have live shows every 1800 coordinated universal time on Saturdays. Thank you so much for watching and I'll see you tomorrow.


Yeah, we on boss talk one-on-one one-on-one. Yeah, we gonna so early on he dealt with Mastapena a little bit. I can remember that They had some differences. We won't have to get into all that But did you remember some of those relationships in some of the time? I remember doing the show in Jackson, Mississippi We did show in Jackson, Mississippi and This is the only time that I didn't have my own role. Okay, so I don't know what happened But they put bird and myself in the same room, but the room was huge Okay, and instead of twin beds each one of us had king size bed in the room Wow And so after the show I can remember this this is weird Smoke D smoke D had got out of jail. He came out of room. He had this CD at the time and it was masterpiece first CD where they lay it down. Yeah Yeah, and we didn't have no music. So we had a party in our room, you know with the Boppers and so So all the girls came by room. We didn't have no music So we put that CD on just playing over and over. He said man, let's do her jamming jamming fair forward about Two months later, we do a show I can't think of the name of the town in Louisiana will meet this guy called money. Okay Money and he's he was starting a group. It was called CC waterbound. Okay with money's Cousin was Moby Dick. Okay.  That was that straight to my house That thing that he and he had the best verse on it my opinion by far Come on when I see you gave me up forever. Yeah, that one. I know exactly which one Everybody was on bond as far as lyrics. Yeah, and when I moved in with him He said Bobo, I'm gonna do something to you that you're gonna get tired of I've already mastered these beats. So let me let me rewind Finally get inside this house and realize that this boy got at 18 does Everybody everybody at his house well Everybody that no pimp and he allowed to come in his house know about the weed room So we got the weed room in this house and my room was across from the weed room It was the weed room the bathroom the bathroom is where they recorded They break them out some and all that stuff Yeah So he's he's a Leo so he rolled up on the house one day and knocked he didn't know nobody really But he said you got to hit the blood then he left remember that that's the joy to whatever you know by him And blue light getting into it. No, what happened? Well, you know blue light is from the other rap on short Texas Okay, okay, it's real kite. Yeah, that's it. Well, when I'm with a when I'm with a port author It was a civil war going on UGK posse against that click. Okay, and they had just jumped on bun in the club Wow, so that night I got there. We was going to the club. Yeah, if you got well, it was a problem, you know I'm saying yeah, it was a I remember moving apart. We moved I moved a port author They said come to Houston. We got a show and then we go after show So I bought my bags That's how that when I have my partner drive me to Houston Then I wrote with them back to the port author and then that very night is when we went to the went to the club But but but I know you and pimp was real solid But how do you how do you think pimp's and buns relationship was and how did you how did you like the way? They I know the music was solid Oh, you know, but just how vibing with them riding with them dealing with them. How was that? I mean, they're brothers. They're brothers. I mean brothers have issues. Yeah Everything in always hunky door. Yeah, but they were brothers.  You better not say nothing about bun to pin Yeah, and there was always any friction was always behind closed doors. Yeah. Yeah That's why when I heard something about the UGK posse getting into it one time in Houston after he had died It ran me so hot. Yeah, you know that wasn't the way it goes What are y'all doing? Yeah, but you gotta understand they went through a lot though That's a lot to lose pimp but to get into it each other. Yeah, but they're public. Yeah. No, that's bad in public Yeah, at a concert. Yeah, that's bad. No, bro. That's bad.  That's a big loss, man You say that but I know the real you ain't you in the midst of it. Yeah, I wasn't there Yeah, but you know what's going on. I know what you had told me about People every everybody that Was around Chad after he got out of jail. I knew why they were around. Yeah, because he told me why he was, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah, I never released some of that information. No, no, I get it for their feelings. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but some of them, you know, like I mean, I'm not Cool, I don't have any allegiance with him, but like the 17 cat. Yeah. Yeah, he told me the situation why he was wrong You know, the thing about Chad, he was big-time opportunists. Yeah, it was about that bread. Yeah, and the thing and see people in the UJK Palsy, you know, everybody was waiting on their album and their opportunity. Who's gonna be next?  This is from Chad He had his own money.  Here Chad do this for me.  Yeah Yeah, I've never called him that. Yeah, Steve B. Low is the protege. I know that's what buns it Steve B. Low is the protege Yeah, by far.  Yeah, but they had met through Louisiana Yeah, yeah, yeah, he told a story on here. He told how they met and everything. It was dope story as well, man Yeah, yeah, how was that meeting? How was it meeting Pimp? Just he was just a cool person like he was when he met other people, right? I was thinking about that the other day was funny because I was like man, I remember the day I met Pimp and Bunn, you know I'm saying yeah at the time Mel had this house, you know what it was doing all the music at it was really just like a house where everybody kind of hung out at And I used to go over there I'm my equipment and stuff set up over there and I was just making beats all day just He had these big old 15 and sir in Vegas that I used to love He told me Pimp and Bunn was coming over one day and um, I Just remember being in that room all day and like make me something hard They come in there. They're gonna hear it.  Yes, sir So I worked on some beats all day and I came up with some some really hot Yeah, it was some bangers man So they finally showed up because you know they they nocturnal creatures man Yeah, yeah, they hang out all night so I think of like 12 1 o'clock in the morning they they showed up over male house and And uh, they came in the room and I was working on some tracks man And they were like yeah, man, you know place some place something for me So I hit that star button man, and they got that stank face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah They both looked at each other like He got it. He got it. So so but y'all I'll click after that and I see you and Steve Bilo still maintain relations


the other side of the world really over near Bondi Beach in Australia and you might think well great to former TV presenter and model and DJ and now living a life of it over in Australia well maybe part of it is true but there's a whole other side to Michelle's recent story anyhow because she has struggled to become a mother again and that struggle left her mental health in a really bad place and she actually spent time in rehab and hopefully now Michelle can join us on the show Michelle. Well technology John I'm here. It's wonderful it's good to see you again how you doing? I'm very good thank you because you're very far away around the Northwest today aren't you? Yeah we're spreading our wings wide today and anyhow it's it's good to see you again we chatted on the show all the way back before you moved to Australia what prompted the move to Australia in the first place? Actually it was my partner he got a job over here so I was like oh great I mean I visited Australia I'd say years and years ago never thought I'd ever want to live with the other side of the world but you know what amazing opportunity came up for us so we just said right let's just go for it and see how we get on and thankfully I have settled on really well over here and actually only recently became Australian citizens so yeah so that's a very big privilege for us to be honest with you we're very lucky to live in a country that's it's very safe it's beautiful climate and yeah we've made really lovely friends here so it's it's been a very nice transition to be honest. And what time of the day or night is it there at the minute? John it's way past my bedtime tonight you've no idea what you're doing. We're early rises over here so we're up at like eight or we're up at like six o'clock in the morning but um it's 11 30 here at night now. Okay okay well thanks thanks a minute. Thanks I do see you John. I know. I know. And I mean you live near Bondi Beach so you know that sounds fantastic. It is absolutely gorgeous we are five minute walk to Bondi Beach yeah I feel very very blessed to love here as you know I'm a Glingad woman so I live near the coast myself and there's something about the energy of loving near the sea and um yeah it's oh it's just magical I still kind of pinch myself going I can't actually believe I love here. It feels a bit surreal sometimes because it's just so stunning. I've nearly lost my life a few times in Bondi Beach let me tell you I've nearly had to put that hand up for the um the lifeguard to come and get me. Is it when it's not a beach to play around with let me just tell you but it's it's beautiful I love it yeah. And busy busy. Oh so busy yeah it's crazy like no matter if you go down there at six o'clock in the morning it's like the middle of the day it's just madness but you just thrive off that kind of energy and that um lifestyle we're just very blessed yeah. Yeah well um sorry to bring the tone down a bit but it hasn't all it hasn't been all plain sailing because uh roll the clock back to 2016 and you were trying for a brother or sister for your your son Max and then over a period of six years you you endured four mary miscarriages and there was three failed IVF cycles. That's correct yeah. That all sounds horrific and eventually it it took its toll on your mental health when did you how did it how how did you eventually come to seek help um you were you were lying and did you um start taking some drink to help to help you get through it um well to be honest with you then so that was just part of the journey and then we made a decision then to um seek an egg donor because I realized that um my eggs were not of good quality anymore and that was a really tough decision as well because that meant that I no longer was part of the making of the baby but um I sort of took myself onto it right it's going to be growing inside my body um and it will hear my voice all the time it'll be a part of me it's fine um so and then that to me was a no-brainer so that's I think that's when I hit the rock bottom when I was like right okay so I've ruled out my problem I've seeked another eggs um thanks for the egg donors egg um I think that that that's what took the massive toll on me um and then obviously so we'd wanted to we'd to transfer it pretty quickly in a row and that was 20 just before covid had and then covid had so we had two years of being able to get back for that final embryo transfer and then when I went back that final time I was like right so when you're going through IVF or going through whatever fertility journey you're on like well there's hope there you're going to put yourself throughout everything and then um so when that final one didn't work for me um I just went into despair I I just I thought I was okay at the time but I obviously wasn't so I was kind of not relying on drink but I certainly was um abusing alcohol let's just say to kind of numb the pain and also I felt it was um maybe in a way I was um kind of punishing my body I felt that it it failed me it let me down um and so then you're just like oh sure what's the point anyway it doesn't matter um and then I guess like I was isolating myself from a lot of people pretending everything was fine um and then then it got to the point where my partner was like this is not okay like you you have to confront what you've been through it's a lot of grief a lot of trauma to be through without like pretending everything's fine and so I went to see a psychotherapist um here in London and I will be forever grateful to this man because I've been seeing counselors for years obviously with all everything that I've been through um but he was the one that actually said you know you actually have to deal with this grief and trauma or it's not going to end well basically um and explained it in such a lovely way he was like you've been trailing water for eight years and he was like every time you come back up to the surface you get pushed back down again and he said like that that's not possible to to survive that so yeah so he was the one that um brought this place to my attention and normally I'm like ah yeah grand sure I look into that and I was it was kind of November so it was coming up to Christmas and I was like ah sure I look into it after Christmas but I knew in my heart of hearts that I couldn't keep going the way I was and so I contacted them straight away and again very fortunate to live in a country that um my health insurance was able to cover it because it's expensive um and so yeah so then I was facing the next obstacle in my life um but very very fortunate that I had that opportunity and and how long so you went you went to him thinking that all you really need it was just a bit of a rest something maybe oh yeah weekend or I'm so tired I'm exhausted because I have a habit of um of like if I'm upset about something I'll get make myself really busy so I make loads of jobs for myself and I was just exhausted trying to cover up the pain and everything and I was like I just feel like I need to go on a yoga retreat or something for a weekend and he was like a yoga retreat so I love you need more than a yoga retreat so um so yeah unfortunately uh the yoga retreat was far from what I needed so a check um a check-in facility was recommended and that's what you you ended up doing how long did you stay there so I had to go there for three weeks two weeks and and of course this is my first time to get away from my wee boy for that length of time um uh and also the the kind of shame that comes with that it's like you know because obviously I wasn't going into that facility because I had a problem with alcohol um I was going in there because I was using it to deal with the bigger issues which is my grief and trauma um but you can't help but feel that shame it's like and even when I talk about it no because I know when the newspaper first spoke about this like they love to sensationalize things and make you know want to make it a bigger story but the bigger story was I was in pain I had a lot of stuff that I had to deal with that I was using that as next using that as a crutch to sort of numb the pain in the time being um and so I mean that was so daunting for me because like I think somebody else that I spoke to they said like anytime you think of like a rehab so they think of like being taken in from the door like you know with a major alcohol problem but it's not like that it's um you're going in there because you're trying to fix yourself and you're trying to make your life better and I met some incredible people in there that were that were doing just that as well so we all were on this journey together and um while it was extremely intimidating at the start because you don't know what to expect um they sort of become your like support network and you depend on each other and you have to share your stories in front of like a so you're sectioned off into little groups and you know everybody has to deal with their thing in the little group and um they become like your little family you know support network basically yeah did you find that you met a lot of other people who were for want of a better description putting on a brave face yeah I just um because that's what I tend to do I tend to um be this I'm a front woman so I'm always like huh and the more pain that I'm in the more of a performance I can put on um so yeah they're hiding behind these big personality and then underneath it all when you strap it all back there's so much pain underneath that um but I guess that's what we do to try and keep going and try and survive um for better for want of a better word but um it was interesting because it's it was there was so many different types of people obviously it's pretty confidential you can't talk about certain people but from all ages from like older men to young girls who are crippled with anxiety and you know underlying issues or whatever but it all stems from a pain that we can't deal with ourselves so we need to find an outlet to deal with it or go to a facility like this that they can help us take everything apart and sort of understand why we behave in a certain way or why we um are doing what we're doing and yeah it was extremely interesting and I took a lot from it um and understanding why I was beaten the way I was as well yeah um just isolating the IVF cycles uh those in themselves the the hope and the expectation and then everything that you you do to try to make it happen and the things that you put on hold and then just to have your your hopes and dreams dashed and to have that you know over and over again I mean for a few those three failed cycles so the those in themselves and and aside from the miscarriages really really hard to process and really hard to deal with very hard to accept um I never like it when I explain it like is it as a little girl or as a little boy don't know um you have this kind of blueprint or this idea of what you want your life to be and I never want it maxed to be an only child and I love children and they just gravitate towards me and I could never accept that I was only going to be able to do this once but that I'm very lucky is one of my in my remarks but yeah I just I just I and even to this day I still can't accept what's what's after happening but I'm learning to deal with it a bit better than I did but um yeah it's just and you know it's it's this emotional roller coaster that your hopes are so high and you'll put yourself through anything and and unfortunately a lot of the times that's the problem because you don't want to say no that's enough enough is enough obviously my family were worried about me and Mark's family were worried about me and my friends are worried about me but you you can't say no until you've got nothing else to give like it's literally where there's hope you're going to put yourself through anything and so that's that constant roller coaster of um hope versus despair versus despair and and then I suppose it's it's also about uh taking ownership of the the issues realizing that you you need help and then having to tell friends and family and you know that that can take it stall too yeah because it's what I was saying it's like the shame that comes with it like I you know I've I've always been very I'd spoken about when things aren't okay with me because I I feel like if at least if you talk about things then you can get the help that you need um because I remember having postnatal depression of drive max and that was really difficult because everything's pretty too like it's not talked about it's we know it's there but people don't talk about it because oh god you don't want anybody to think chooses you're not okay you have to be on medication because you're not okay um and then the miscarriages and then the IVF and that in itself is so invasive like you're sticking a needle in your body morning and night time and you're you're in the hands of of this medication um and I I just I bought it like there is a lot of shame that comes with it but I'm I'm I'm just I'm one of these people it's like you know what I'll deal with the shame as long as I'm able to get help rather than suffering in silence and not it not being a very good outcome and so that's why I I speak about these things because the amount of women that have reached out to me going even no idea like your article or your interview or whatever has done for my family or my network my family support system to kind of have a tiny glimpse of why I'm going through because you just get on with it and the other thing that I I I took um great comfort and was like I've had a few um elderly ladies reach out to me saying thank you because I did speak up with that saying like that's not this is not just happening now this happened years ago when it was like ah you be grand and it was just brushed like it was nothing it's not nothing the minute you see that or the minute you you know that you're pregnant you've already got carried away with this little human beings can be like how they're going to fit into your family and then when it doesn't happen it's not something you just go shock or act sure it wasn't meant to be it's part of your life and um and they say that there's not a day goes past that they don't think about that little one yeah and so I think the comfort that I've taken out of telling the story because it is like you're extremely vulnerable when you're telling stuff like this because you're opening up your hearts and your soul and you're just being extremely vulnerable and to know that people are getting some sort of comfort from it or that they get to um allow their partner or their mother or their father to have a tiny glimpse of what's going on for them is is really is the reason that I tell the story and the the stay there and the therapy a game changer but but not not a magic wand no every day is a day one step forward every day um and there's there's days where I still I can go back to being dying but it's okay I've learned to deny that I can um set with the feeling that I'm allowed to set with the feeling of I'm not okay with it I'm like to be honest with you John was very angry um and you've spoke there briefly about you know you're watching other people getting on with their lives and able to get pregnant have big family and we're like sorry what how's this work yeah you can't help that anger and that resentment that builds up inside of you as well so it's learning to sort of set with that that's okay you're allowed to feel like that tonight but you're not allowed just to stay in low to wallow and actually have to learn to sort of deal with it so I've I guess my little things that I've done in place are I try and do a bit of meditation I um I definitely have to go for my walks on the beach every day get on to the fresh air but also learn to um ask for help like there's like I know the wee people listening today who are on this journey right now and just to kind of maybe go on a a Facebook group or you know something that they have a night left that they can express how they're feeling that some people might understand what they're going through and in any in every walk of life not just for me not just for my my personal story but for you know if you if you're suffering with depression if you're not in a good place please don't don't deal with it on your own you're not equipped to deal with it on your own there's people like there thankfully that um are trained to know how to guide you through this and point you in the right direction yeah and uh you're lucky enough and that you found uh you find the right one you find the right place and the right one and you're actually passing some of that knowledge on now is that correct and that you're training to be a counselor so after my experience in the hospital I am in the facility I I don't know they just they've changed they changed so many people's lives while I was just there and I was just there for three weeks and I will never forget what they've done for me um and so it inspired me then to go on um and now I'm studying to be a counselor and if I could just give a tiny little bit of um a back of what they give to me I'll be I'll be very very lucky yeah so next time chatting to you you'll have a whole pile of letters after your name oh let's sort of get carried away now Joel but um it's not even about that it's just oh my god if I if I could just and especially I'd especially like to help kind of young people because I feel like it's a scary wee world that our children are growing up and at the moment and thankfully that wasn't around when we were kids um so it's very hard it's a hard little life to navigate at the moment so if I can just try and provide some little coping mechanisms for them or just provide them with an I might like to talk a safe place to talk and I feel like I'll do something to make a difference in their life well I think you know you have for many and because uh you know given your profile and then how how open you've been about about these issues and about the problems that you've had and how you you saw it help and and as you referenced there there's a lot of people who are going to be on a similar journey and and maybe listening now and and taking comfort and saw us from from what you've been saying Michelle good to good to talk to you it's it's you know can I can I also say one more thing John sorry and I know this is I don't know if there's younger girls last thing as well um so when I speak to younger girls sort of in their early 30s and they haven't met anybody I always say girls please consider freezing your eggs because the most mind-blowing thing for me that I learned along this journey is a woman is actually born with the mind to fix that she's going to have for life and it's actually terrifying um and I know it might be expensive but you know unfortunately we don't meet the man that we're going to or the partner we're going to be with very early on and then and and that's what's happened to me I didn't meet Mark I was 36 and I thought I had all the time in the world and it turned out I didn't um so it's just a wee bit of advice that I'd like to get this one okay freeze freeze those eggs freeze those eggs Chris yeah all right Michelle um I'm uh good to connect with you you can go off off to bed now see as you're gonna I go to bed now yeah I feel a little dressed up I need to go somewhere nice oh I'm going to bed don't worry the jammies this one nice to talk to you John you take care yeah likewise hello daddy I love you yeah I never where's the last do you get over to Glengad much do you get back home much sure I was what are you talking about I was home it's in September and I was home in December our house yeah and I just had my parents here for three weeks so it was amazing yeah great well listen good to see you and good to talk to you again Michelle like after yourself thanks all right you too take it enter the virgin media playhouse for unbelievable value from islands