at is close to the first It's probably fair to call out many um a flop in a particular definition But I was asking gary on uh real bbc. When do you believe we'll get the first flop that Basically, it comes under the budget the like actual stated budget when the box office comes up with that He believes wholehearted marvels will be that that's what's gonna happen.  Who even know who they are or what they're doing. Wow How about the fact here's here's what I don't get Captain marvel made over a billion dollars A billion dollars now whether you like it or not five billion, I think yeah take brie larson out of it It made a billion dollars Uh, why would any sequel to that movie not be called captain marvel 2 yet? No, I I can understand that for sure I think they were on top of the world in terms of like you can do anything Instead it's a marvels and captain marvel 2 I mean I And and and look like brie larson or not I mean the fact is if you're if you top line if you're the star of a billion dollar movie I don't care who you are or what your representation is if someone tells you We're gonna bring in miss marvel a tv show person And and and and look I love the 80s captain marvel.  Yeah and call it the marvels I'd be like I don't even from a business standpoint. I'm like what because they were originally gonna call the captain marvel 2 And then they changed it right and I assume that's just something they're now trying to stick to even though They must know that's a bad idea and I will say I mean I don't think Captain marvel 2 makes a billion either But it's clearly the better choice in terms of anybody who actually cares about captain marvel could at least be told in the most simplistic way This is a sequel Here's the thing about captain marvel and I said this on When it came out Mothers and daughters having a movie to go see Is a big deal. I even said before it came out I said this movie is gonna make a billion dollars because it's about Mothers and daughters. I haven't hadn't even seen it It made a billion dollars And and why I I am perplexed Why any movie franchise that made a billion dollars, which is not something every movie franchise does Why would you change it? And be honest with you, dude I think you're generous to say it's about mothers and daughters because I did a I look I'm not I'm not talking about the quality of the movie. I'm talking about from a purely business Oh, well from business perspective. I would have said it's the movie that sits between Infinite infinite. We're talking about captain marvel, right? It's the movie that sits between infinity war and endgame and there's teasing information that I think explains entirely why it makes money Like could be Listen, I'll let you give me 90 seconds. I'll be right back. But I just want to say that Yes, that's true But I would I would also say that it is a movie. It was a movie about female empowerment mothers and daughters It had an audience marvel didn't have before That also went just because it was become. I mean lots of movies Deadpool 1 and 2 they didn't make a billion dollars I mean it made a billion dollars and the reason it did was because it had that extra added oomph Of the I mean remember we dudes who love the mcu or love marvel I was primed to hate that film By the way, I've read the scripts for secret invasion. Let me come right back and I'll tell you about that. Oh, shit I actually googled it This cinema blend article says that as far as 2019's captain marvel goes apparently the audience was 55 percent men and 45 percent women Wow. Well, is that unusual? That's the thing that I need to kind of find out. I'm not certain That uh, here there's a statistic Article on viewership. Let's see Sheriff consumers who have watched selected marvel studio superhero films in the united states as of february 2018 by gender so um, it looks like da da da Female and let me turn off dark view. I think it's messing with the colors Ah, the screen's so bright dark reader is one of my favorite extensions. Um So it looks like I'm just there's a bunch of stuff here. I just want to kind of pick out So one or more movies from the avenger series. It looks like 38 percent female and 45 percent male and it doesn't add up to Sheriff consumer. Is this by is this percentage or by a certain number? I'll have to As of 2018 around 45 percent of male respondents and 38 percent of women Stated that they had seen one or more films from marvel's the avenger series The most widely viewed individual series within the marvel universe is iron man with around 48 percent of men and 41 percent of females Why would they say men and females instead of men and women? That's an odd way to um But yeah, it looks like just and it doesn't surprise me that generally More men see the movies and women. Yeah, I would though it looks it looks as if depend different films have different Different gaps, but it looks like it's about 9 10 percent Oh, this is interesting. Um, so the One or the percentage one or more movies from the guardians of the galaxy series. So one or two 36 percent of female respondents said they'd seen it and 41 percent of men said they'd seen it So that's only a five percent gap, which is the smallest however 37 percent of female respondents and 28 percent of male respondents said that they had seen none of the marvel studios movies Wow, so So that is the the only uh, essentially the only gap that has women ahead of men In this survey is the one for not having seen any of the movies So, yeah, it looks like generally males are more likely to see these movies and yeah, that makes sense um At least to some because part of what they've been trying to do is increase their um Sort of appeal to female audiences, right, which is you know I'm not exactly someone who generates Genre statistics to figure out exactly what appeals more to male or female audiences to an exact science or anything But I genuinely I thought captain marvel was so shit that I don't see why it would appeal more so to I didn't um, even the trailers like I don't remember anybody talking about how this is going to be an exciting sort of action film with an undercutting of a Mother daughter story because I remember the whole uh, the net banning character She's not really in it that much and then well Like what relationship would you say you're referring to with the mother daughter thing? Well, here's the thing. I mean mother daughters in terms of who's going to the theater not in the movie. Oh, okay Yeah, and and here's here's what I would say And I said this early on before even the movie came out. I said the the mother daughter audience Like moms and their daughters go into the movies. They're not given a lot of action heroes Or heroines what it whatever you want to call it and captain marvel They really played in like I think it's an anomaly. Yes, it came between infinity war and endgame it did but I would be very interested to see I I think most as you talked about just now I I think most people most we're we're fucking geeks.  I took her to see avatar in i max 3d She'd never seen an i max movie and she saw a 3d movie in like the 50s And my mother is was she's she raised an imagination connoisseur and and and was a great mom But my mother had no imagination. She was incredibly like uh What's going on right now? If I was making a Cookies she'd want to know did you use enough flour? I'm like, I don't know mom You know she was that woman she won So when I when I went and saw avatar with her When it was over, um In in in what 2009 My mother looked at me with Eyes as wide as saucers. I mean my god. I saw wonder in my mother's eyes for the first time in my life And she looked at me and she said Because she calls me bobby She said bobby How did they do that? uh And and I I I you know for the first time and to be fair My mother as a kid The first time she said I need she took me to see logan's run in 1976 Oh, that maybe sucks.  Come on That's a bad movie No, I can appreciate it, but that's a bad movie the plot No, you're you're a young kid. Come on. You're looking back I saw nope. I'm not looking back Well, I mean everything that I all of my everything in my memories. I'm looking back, but yeah, I saw it not too long ago It's bad, but you know that's controversial. All right, right? Okay, it shouldn't be if I'm in a video talking about the plot issues and the character issues with that That is a bad. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay You you have to put things in historical context when they came out so logan's run was based on a novel by George Clayton johnson and william f. Nolan. It was born out of the sixth novel's better Well, the novel's about people that died at 21 That's and uh, it was all about people who never trust anyone over 30 There's a whole so that movie when it came out It won an academy award for visual effects just saying and it was mind-blowing I saw it in a gigantic theater Uh, the john danz theater and in in belview, washington. My mother took me and my sister. She was seven. I was nine It was astonishing because No one had ever seen anything like that before And and there was nothing like you have to remember that when things came out And I'm not I'm not saying this should be given a pass but When logan's run came out it was a big gigantic mgm release It was a big deal and and now we look at it and I don't disagree with you It might not be a great movie but at the time And and this is what I feel that that I feel that historical context is being lost in all all of our discussions because Everyone's looking at things like right now And and it's so weird like like people go back and judge things these special effects are terrible And I'm like but guys when the movie came out there were no better special effects logan's run Won the academy award for visual effects a year later star wars came out And I get it Right and here's the thing I I agree with you logan's run not a good film. Whoa that changed dramatically over the past five I'll take it It's it's it's not a good movie Damn, but I love it. I love it. It changed my life. There's things to like about it. Absolutely That chicken the green dress Oh, well, well, okay When she dropped trowel in the ice cave I mean there are so many things but I would say this I would say this you have to remember And it's it's very interesting now I would implore everybody You have and I have to say Dave Cullen Has been doing a really great series of reviews Of 70s dystopian films Colossus the foreman project rollerball Oh, he's he's done a very good job of contextualizing and looking at these films. It's really difficult To look at movies like logan's run Without taking their historical context into consideration And the fact that The guys who wrote that movie george clayton johnson wrote original twilight zone episodes wrote Star trek episodes or a star trek episode. I mean and so there's a whole historical context And when you look at logan's run and go Dude, you're right It's it's not good But I my nine-year-old self That movie changed my life. I mean it was crazy. And then a year later. I got star wars And my nine-year-old self was it made me go out and buy the novel And then logan's run was probably one of the last I'm not Super familiar, but I feel like logan's run was kind of like um Jaw-dodge in a way where it was like the last Of that kind of science fiction And then star wars you know that they made a tv series Of for logan's run logan's run. I did not know. No, I didn't know that. Yeah Oh, yes, wait. How what the what year was that? God awful the year of god That's on 1977 Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Like the movie it was the same year that was a year later and it was terrible Now here's the thing about logan's run It was based on a counterculture novel in the I want to say 67 60s. Yeah, logan's run was not based. It was cringe Well, well, I know but but but The novel the novel is very different than the film that was made and the original writer who wrote the first script was richard maybomb who wrote a lot of james bond films and um It's it's a very interesting. I mean, I would say that here's the thing There's a historical context to all of genre Fiction movies whatever and I think I think it's important to consider um It's important to consider where these things came from And when a studio buys a script, I'll give you an example like right now Oh for my life a speed racer I did coverage Which means I had to read a script and and and uh write Here's what happens. This is crazy So when a studio or an agency gets a screenplay They have to have what's called coverage and coverage is a three page document Where you synopsize the script You know, you have to write exactly what happens in it and then you write comment So you have the the the title page a synopsis and then your recommendations I read professionally 3000 screenplays in my life For various agencies and and production entities Damn, I said I said yes You're never supposed to say yes I read 3000 screenplays. I said yes to one The only screenplay that I said yes to was Andrew Andy Andrew Kevin Walker's script for seven Ah that david fincher made I said yes to this he was a clerk at tower records and there was a there was a particular guy named gavin pollone And he worked in an agency called bower benedict that later became uta And and everything he sent I worked for joel silver I made lethal weapon and diehard and all predator and all that I work for him I was a reader for him And um, there was two of us two two professional readers that read scripts for him and um When I got that script I I asked to get everything that came from him because he had great taste Everything he sent not of not all of it should have been made, but it was at least good When I read seven I was like, oh I'm like, this is the greatest script like fucking ever. It was so good The guy andy kevin walker was a clerk at tower records in new york city That said logan's run to tie it in The first draft script the novel was great and then it took them years years Seven they they said you can't make this movie where where one of paul tro's heads in a box you can't do it And and they tried for years. I like we can't do it.  I'm not going to make this movie if I can't kill And put her head in the box Yeah, that's why I want to memorable elements of the film funnily enough Yeah forward And that's a thing no one will I mean there's an mtv shatner. What's in the box? I mean And here's the funny thing the fact that logan's run got made finally The the I actually have the original richard baybomb script where there's an apology Where they have to explain before you read the script, um, this is a uh It's it's a thing about youth revolting against the uh adults And it's crazy that that movie even got made Now here's the thing nowadays you go back and you look at it. I agree with you It's not a good movie It's not But you have to look at it and it's historical context. It was never good enough I haven't seen logan's run at least nor the sense that i'm familiar with it. I can't talk about this We'll watch it baller. We'll watch it someday But you can't say that it wasn't ever good because I can't I saw it change my life No, no, I guess I can change your life. I get it. Yeah, dude the prequels changed a lot of people's lives It's kind of like a terrible. I understand. I understand but but but in 1976 When that movie opened at the john dance theater now, here's here's I'll tell you something else So it was on a double bill because they showed two movies the second film Was a animated sci-fi film that I dearly love called fantastic planet Ah fantastic planet Yeah, which I so Uh, my mom sat through Logan's run liked it and then fantastic planet started and if you ever watched it my mother First time only time man handled me. She grabbed my wrist and she said I am not going to sit here and watch a movie where human beings are treated like ants And if you know fantastic planet, you know that but She dragged me up at my seven-year-old sister didn't know what to do. She followed me and my mom out And it took me three years later 79 to see I went to a double feature of wizards and fantastic planet Oh the Ralph back shoe wizards. Yeah Yeah, it's a trip. Yeah. Yeah, and and uh, so anyway, logan's run At the time Was a big deal for science fiction fantasy and horror fans because There was no movie that was that huge that gigantic on those big screens Now we look at it. I agree with you It's not good but but At the time it was mind blowing And I always think that's gonna be amazing.   Oh, my dad showed me that a boy and his dog My dad's like, oh, you should watch this you should watch this And I watched it and maybe what my least favorite movie of all time Oh, my god, I hate a way to put that you hated it I guess least favorite, but but but but here's the thing in 1975 when that movie came out Based on a harlan ellison short story You know starring don johnson um that film It it it meant something at the time it came out and and I I do think you cannot Disassociate The historical Call it the zeitgeist of the time you have to consider the zeitgeist Why did that movie get made at that time? Because someone was smoking something there were toxic fumes leaking into the room But that's the easy way out. I mean when you make a movie If we if we would actually bridge the gap I like ultimately the conversation is It's two different conversations You can respect where it comes from and the work that went into it and how it was relevant and groundbreaking at the time And then you can also have a perspective on it about like what do you think of its quality? That's basically a hundred percent. Yeah, these are different things. Yeah, we also And I would say this I mean I mean Logan's Run came out in 1976 We're we're the better part of half a century on So it's not it's not uh Absolutely, you should look back at it from this perspective and judge it on its own merits 100% and I I I do think all literature and all cinema Uh stands to be judged from the perspective you're at right now However, I also think that while you're judging it. It just needs to have a historical perspective Uh considered at the same time We know all about that a lot of praise that I levy for Jurassic Park is the fact that it was made in 93 Or at least the adding that context in because that is some I mean oftentimes more impressive because it's like damn It feels like everything they're achieving in this would have been made easier By making it today the irony of course being that you don't see anything like this today. Uh, nobody's no I would say that that Jurassic park is you know a masterpiece Yeah, and it transcends the time in which it was made Because it doesn't and so on that note, right? Like we celebrate it for the fact that it was made in 93 and yet if it came out today It would be glorious in the same way that if something that we consider to be of lower quality today It doesn't get away with it so to speak if it came out at a time where everything was lower quality and thus This is the things a lot of things can age Incredibly well alongside stuff that people will try to forgive because of its time Yeah, because um, well, it's funny. I mean it's aged incredibly well in terms of it's like storytelling vocabulary That film feels incredibly modern Uh, meanwhile, there are other films that are just going to be difficult for like a modern audience to get into from that time period just because of the mismatch and Whereas I guess you look at something like Jurassic park part of what's so exceptional about it is That it really does feel like it has a timeless quality 30 years later. It feels like it came out today Oh We need to see Casablanca sometimes because that's I that's from 1942 Made in 41 Yeah, and that was a that's a film that has really it it seems very modern in a lot of ways. Uh, oh my god I I recently rewatched another good example You're absolutely right. Those movies are timeless, but they but they are Uh movies that take place in the time they were made So, I mean, yeah, they're they're they're contemporary Uh movies, yeah But but they're certainly holed up and the characters hold up. It's all 100 percent 100 percent both quite good Mahler, I have to say I I feel A little embarrassed that I've tried to defend Logan's run. If what why? Only because you you gentlemen I I respect all of you and Um, uh, I'm defending a movie that isn't good. There's just I don't really have an opinion on it Yeah, it depends on what you defend about it. There's things that I like about it. But yeah, well Look, I would say I would say to to here's the thing when you asked me to come on this stream One of the things that appealed to me Is that I've watched your dissections of the trilogy the the sequel or the prequel trilogy And for hours And I'm like this guy gets it man like he understands and it's not it's not a malicious takedown. It's more of a Why isn't this better? Like you want you you want The prequel trilogy to be great Like you want it to be great. That's what your entire All of these things are about you love great stories And you understand why great stories are great And you want the prequel trilogy to be great when I watch your for hours. How many hours collectively like between phantom menace Attack of the clones and revenge of the sith. How many hours is that? 7 72. I don't know something like that You know what?   Well, so The because we've got lots of coverage pulling off on e-fap for prequels The sequels I think we I don't even know how to count that But the yeah, the all all of it comes from loving of the franchise The reason we don't cover star trek here as anyone near as much in terms of its downfall is I've got no familiarity with the original stuff like we don't just go after anything. That's bad It's usually from a place of loving as where it came from. I've I've never thought you've done that I'm just saying I've always thought that that your work came from love Yeah, and I I mean I love movies. Uh, well stories. I know and when you asked me to come on the show I'm like really Baller wants me to go on a show. Hey, we've been on shows before it's always been fun. I know but not your show You know And and and it was it dude Your work. I mean, I know I always say this but your analysis Is incredibly valuable and I would say that anybody who's who's working in an ip Should watch your videos Whether you agree with them or not Uh, your analysis is incredibly useful and and very insightful and you you know Politically, whatever you if you don't believe in it fine, but your breakdown is so well articulated It will help anyone and by god does ip The people that the the the corporations hire to manage their ip is so wrong And and what's funny is Jurassic park was directed by a master Spielberg and then it became an ip And and and even this ip the the if you look at what happened to it and the problem is Uh, well if you look at money, perhaps Jurassic park dominion might prove that it's important To have people that understand a franchise to manage that franchise But either way Your videos the stuff you've done Might help the next generation understand how to telegrade story I'm hoping everybody in our sort of spheres. I believe that can inspire people in any way or shape or form to Bring storytelling into some some upward projection the idea that we can have that level and of an effect would be Incredibly wonderful honestly. Um Because well, I think you have that. Um, well, and seriously, I appreciate you Give me all these incredible compliments. They're uh, they're very kind of you know, what here's the thing It's not a compliment. You earned it. You did like i'm just a bloke watching your videos Your analysis of story is unbelievable And uh, I think everyone who wants to understand how ip should be I I really believe that And um your your work the same way. I mean, you know not to equate you guys but red letter media I didn't know those guys. I watched their generations star trek generations a movie.  Oh, I wouldn't say they were takedowns They were they were um post mortems the critiques. Yes the rage videos. I say They're they're critiques, but uh And but they come from a place of love. Well, and you know on that note, perhaps we should get back to loving Jurassic park. I reckon. I by the way, I have to go. I'm like, I'm I've been getting buzzed I didn't even realize I had a feeling you some people I apologize. I apologize and oh, that's fine. Absolutely. Okay, man. No worries. Um, thank you all for having me. I'm like Uh, my lady's go. She's like, where are you? Hey, listen, you've been here for a good five hours almost five and a half So don't you worry about it?  I mean, I I love this 100% and uh, uh, it's so great and mawler your videos my god Uh, what what a privilege to speak with you because I really do Love the work you've done and I can't imagine how long it took you to do that work Uh, astonishing. Oh, like I said, man, it really is. It's something else mawler. That is incredible I appreciate the compliments heavily. I've had more today than I ever get usually People like he must be blushing is like But hey man, I very much appreciate your work too and we will see each other again soon enough on the internet. I am sure Absolutely and and and seriously, man It's a great honor all three of you guys and Uh, you know, this is why this is what I love about the internet You know why because mawler your work Makes me think about my views You know and and I on my whole channel. It's like every person has a story to tell All you have to do is listen and and your analysis Made me rethink what I thought and isn't that great? Yeah, isn't that what's really something? Yeah mawler. Yeah, man. And isn't that what the world's all about like?  That's true He's right mawler 100% How's it going? Thank you so much for coming on and uh, we'll see you again sometime. I'm sure Thank you. This is amazing. Absolutely It catch life it did. Yeah, we will see you later I I can't I thank you so much. I mean honestly. No, thanks for being here and being here for so long Oh my god. Are you kidding? It's the best. Oh, you guys are the best By the way, we we need to do a logan's run stream Let's do it. Now now now I'm gonna have to go watch it Again, well wait, don't watch it yet We can we can wrangle mawler into it and fringy and they can they can marvel at the film production that is logan's run Okay, I love that you you tempered that that's I appreciate that but we should because it's very interesting That was the last big budget studio sci-fi film before star wars And we could talk about it in that way Yeah, it would be very interesting. I can't I understand. It's not great. It's not great Anyway, gentlemen, I salute all three of you.   I have to bounce it out and say I love the work you two do.  You good? You good? No, I'm good. What what do you mean? What's that? What was unusual about that? Nothing at all? I appreciate the I'm just expressing my undying praise for you and everything that you do and the inspiration that it causes and You know, I just want to let you know that how I like you finally let me know this It's uh, and I appreciate fringy. I assume you like my work too, right? Uh, I mean i'm a fan. I mean it's obviously influenced in some part an aspect of the way that i'm making stuff That was like an intro to be as sarcastic as you want. It sounds like you go in serious. I can't tell anymore I don't know what's happening anymore fringy is what we call inspiration from uh From all sorts of places when it comes to like creating stuff and I guess the interesting thing is looking at um It seems like people are a lot more reticent about uh Inspiration in terms of like youtube compared to what you would typically see with people talking about like film or television or Yeah, yeah balls right where people kind of wear those inspirations on their sleeves I'm glad that people are willing to say they're inspired by youtube content. Like I don't want that thing to say it's a good thing because I if there's one thing that I would like to see more it's that people take Making stuff for youtube seriously rather than oh, it's just dumb youtube videos. Like maybe they're dumb for you but like a lot of people put a lot of work into uh Into making videos. Um a lot of people just don't know what goes into it. They just have no idea They take it for granted. They don't know the work that goes into making just edits Well, I think uh, the problem is that when it comes to Basically any film that makes it to theaters everybody's working hard on that Um, more or less whereas when it comes to youtube videos a lot of it's just shit Like it's just you know and and partially because you can basically throw up whatever you want So it can be like Low editing no scripting which that doesn't necessarily make it good or bad either by the way Um, it's just that barrier to entry is non-existent on youtube with everything that comes with it um Yeah, better and worse And I just want it said, um, we do try with uh guests on eFab to personalize them And I had the full intention of listening to a lot of rob and myobinette talking about everything to do with film and his experiences um And plenty like like was was gained tonight in terms of me just listening to all kinds of things that we get into I never expected we talk about um, what was that aperture point of view fields, uh focal length Yeah, all the creations different shows and movies cameras I will say, um, look if ever there was a podcast to explore in length whatever you'd like to Tangentilize it may or may not be this is the one We do not discourage it. Well, and uh, yeah, I think You're passionate about go for it. Talk about either tipsy or full on drug. I couldn't quite tell But uh, it was drug Passion if anybody's ever seen shows that he and I are on they don't run that way usually I think he was uh, he was a little he's Had a little bit of sauce and made for some uh, very interesting topics and rants and stuff that I like I said I I'm a big fan of of Robert as a as a person He's like one of the most sincere people you'll ever meet online And uh, I really love the you know as of recently you put his uh integrity on the line to defend What he thought was strong work right in the form of Picard season three and it seems like people are coming around on the show So it's a kind of cool. Obviously. I just don't Have an investment in star tracks. I can't say too much to it in the same way that I've invested in logans run Well, I've never the only thing I know about logans run is the parody that they did in family guy Yeah, yeah, right with the gem in the hand like and brian was running around to get chased The city with a route if you watch family guy you end up just getting laden with a lot of references from the 80s and 70s Anyway of media. Yeah Very referential. That's good though Well, the thing the thing is when you look at a lot of uh 90s simpsons episodes Well, really it's all the simpsons, but like there's so many references But there are a lot more carefully crafted like One of my favorites, obviously is the uh the terminated to parody with uh homo with fled is Nettie You know like a punt down at the night netty and he starts chasing off you with a blank Lodges himself on it instead of like the t1000's claws at the golf club slamming into the car There's a lot of slamming into the car. All right I thought I said slamming into the car. Sorry. Is that like an Problem it's it's kind of ruined the entire stream the difference between slamming and slamming. I can't I can't take it But it's it's interesting like with Jurassic park how When you like watch the film again and you just you just remember so many of the things that this film did That are just persistently referenced both in ways that are obviously more overt nods to it and borrowing or uh Leveraging some of the things like the vibrating water, right? That's that's become a thing in so many Movies at this point of like if you focus in on water Vibrating because of you know loud fuds and everything on the ground um Well, I mean I was gonna say uh, we will now Continue talking about Jurassic park.  And it's like I don't see how the t-rex got up How did this because even from this angle the fact that it levels out to the same level like a little bit further on It's like man. That's gonna be a steep sort of drop in it You wonder if there's like a hill Like Yeah, a hill to the left some place where it can I don't know it's it's a little bit confusing Yeah, like I said, I have to look into it, but Yeah, they start repelling down one of the broken wires and uh the kid is uh still in the car and he's gonna end up in the tree Because the t-rex is just continuously pushing it. I guess looking for a chance at his food What type of stressful isn't it because it's so much that grant just cannot account for No, like all of this crazy stuff and he's on his own having to deal with it and how can he it's a t-rex Well, that's the thing two of the adults are knocked out so quickly like one's eaten one's uh Well knocked out. Yeah and uh, he's all on his own some yeah at this point. It's a disaster and You know, it's only gonna get worse, but something I quite like is uh Hammond being like robert I wonder if perhaps you could take one of the gas jeeps and bring back my grandchildren. It's such a like Strong and stewing way of what is actually happening some textually. It's just good god. Please save my children Yeah, like my grandchildren and and muldoon is just like yeah Because yeah, yeah, he jumps right in Yeah, of course. I'm the one that's gonna do that.  I'm going with you and they're not like no, you're staying here. They're like no I can do this all. No, I'm doing that. It's just it's just you. Yeah, like I am coming with you. It's like, yep All right, let's go. He's probably like, yeah, please come with me.  All right Well, that's um, there was another line that prompted me to say something very similar. It was later on when the it was in this room when Sam Neil and Laura Dern, I forget their character names escaped me But they're at the door the velociraptor is trying to push in the door and the shotgun has fallen down and uh Ellie she Says uh frantically as they're trying to keep the door shut. I can't get basically said I can't get the shotgun without leaving the door and I'm like, yeah It makes sense that you'd yell that to him because he might not necessarily know that and it's a frantic panicking situation And you just want to make that really clear to him so that he understands what's happening in this frantic moment something that uh, because because it happens with the um The car which comes right that's rifle. No, wait, wait, wait. No. No, it is not a rifle It's a 12 shotgun. Yeah, it's a classic italian model um, what I was going to say was uh something that Like you look at a lot of the really stressful situations that occur in the film Uh, especially parts where it's like real close, you know how films like to cut it real close in terms of our Big dramatic moments and often how frustrating it is when characters are saved by an inconvenience This film has a lot of instances that are inconvenient for the characters in terms of timing what's happening And where situations get worse because of very understandable honest mistakes like um like when when with the car when uh Grant like accidentally like when he moves the steering wheel and then it redirects the tire to where it loosens its grip on the uh On the tree.  Yeah Breach drama and it's it's it's not some bullshit like it's a really honest sort of arrow Um as opposed to characters being stupid because nobody in this film is is dumb right people are making The best decisions they can in difficult situations I find to be a lot of understandable right because we were about to talk about Dennis's death scene The one thing I said this while watching iraq's the one thing I never fully understood in this movie is The slip sound effect he has it goes Like yeah, we noticed that it was so weird Um of all the things, you know, you just like is this there's not many of them in the film at all There's just this one audience can hear it. It's it's yeah, but I can play it legitimately like a slapstick He slips that's so Bizarre it stands out from an otherwise very serious film Yeah, I'll try and get it up and say oh here we go. Okay Hopefully this comes out It's actually kind of quiet, but you could hear it the like a Definitely a cartoon sort of thing hearing it again. Is it an easter egg? I I'm really not sure I don't think it's an easter maybe it was used. Yeah, maybe it's in another Steven Spielberg movie and this was the It's just hearing it again. It's like, what are you doing in this film? I've seen two people say that's the cable No, what would a cable make that sound? No, maybe like maybe it gets pulled back in Are you this is are you sure? Well, it gets yanked out right because that's what he's doing. He's holding on to it Hmm, I guess it's getting yet like rewound. It's making that noise. I don't understand like I always thought it was uh Not in universe All right, like a non-diagetic sound. I didn't think it was I mean, I guess it could be because someone else is saying it's the dilophosaurus, right? Like in the background It's like, I don't know about that either I don't think it would be that It's always come across to me is just to be like, oh, there he goes There he goes tumbling down the hill Yeah, because if it was the If it was the wire then the rewinshing sound wouldn't happen until after like he lets go or something But he has it here in his hands, doesn't he? So that's what I'm saying I'm holding on to it as he fell but then if he lets goes is it drawing back in and that's a slapstick slip sound That's what it seems to me. I just don't That doesn't feel quite right as the cable sound. I don't know. Yeah, I get you Very quick too. It's not like a Right, right, right. I need to I'll google what the sound actually was I'll look up the sound guy and he can tell me what it really was Passing gas or something and he put it in the film Very specific thing Yeah, well, if I suppose if it was supposed to be the cable that varied up But I've always thought it was like a cartoon slip sound Someone said it was foreshadowing for his part in space jam Oh, yeah He was yes, he gets flattened in that and then reinflated Yeah It's a very normal movie. We should check it out sometime when he found movies Are you gonna make us watch the remake? Uh, the sequel?  Maybe he would scare it off I don't know, but uh, he doesn't take it seriously. He's he's like it'll be I don't have any food I got off at all me leave me alone sort of thing Um Even tries to play fetch with it, which I think is very much a signal that he's under resting it may in it significantly Um Because yeah, it's uh this scene goes a little scary a little fast the uh The whole like yeah The the the visual of it like spreading it's um, I don't even know what body part thing they're called, but uh Pretty creepy and then yeah, he gets black for news Gets hit enough with this stuff and earlier they did say it can uh blind and paralyze So, um Yeah, making his way into the car is uh, the Deloff source is already in there before he gets in as well So it's just eats him in the car presumably and I just love the shot where it pans down Uh, yep, we see the bobbas all can just getting buried by mud All of that all of that scientific progress all of that engineering all of that technology and human innovation And ultimately it's just back in the mud Never to be seen again Back to the dirt. Well That's the thing it, uh, I kind of remember which movie it's it. It's one of the sequels the bobbas all can pops up um The same for the you know the cane or whatever iconic thing that they like from Uh, these movies they can reference them either visually or in just like it's that thing We've talked about it before but Star Wars does it a hell of a lot It's whatever the fans kind of like suddenly it gets transposed into the universe in its sequels It's kind of like that doesn't make any sense at all. Why would you? Well, why would you have it that way like why would And and a lot of these universes they like Almost treat the events of the movie as instead of a disaster as like this cool thing that happened Because movie like it's a complete inconsistency that's frustrating but Anyway Maybe they could they could have a sequel where the the embryos They fuse with the mud and become dinosaur mud monsters like the sand man and spider-man 3 Yeah, I've been really really awesome and cool. They destroy human civilization Yeah, they gradually realized that the the because I'm sort of we're able to skip a couple of things We've talked about some of these things but the the wheel the turning the reaching of the branches and the they've literally got like, uh This there's something to be drawn out of this right like a car crashing through a tree that's potentially going to kill them It's like the tree is the only thing separating them from death right now Kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, just climbing down. I mean, these are just cool. Uh, they're cool set pieces really They're just like really tension-filled Uh, and then they ratchet up dramatically at points like it's um, this film knows how to Sort of build up that tension in any given scene and then you know bring it to a really satisfying payoff I Yeah, I'm not sure Because well first up to what you were saying, right? It's like a lot of the uh suspense and tension and uh conflict in this movie It's very small scale and believable It's a guy and a boy and they're trying to you're just climbing away from a car You know and it's a fairly extended sequence. It's not super fast Um, you have a lot of time to build up tension Um, you have a lot of time to sort of just be aware of what's happening. It's not like part Three in a series of 10 crazy wacky things that are just that are just total madness And it just keeps going and going and going and going you just you just have time to breathe in this movie And there's this you know, this kind of dread in the air of what you know bad things can happen Speaking of next scene we have ellie and moldoon have reached this main area where it's broken out and they managed to find Malcolm who I thought it was interesting that she notes about him that he's put a tourniquet on his leg Like with his own belt Yep, and he's just gone back to just lying there.  Well, imagine being him like after everything he said and now this has happened.  He says please chance it because they hear the t-rex Yeah Yeah, um, we get the we've already had the cup with the water sort of footstep stuff Now it's the footstep with the footstep. That's what I mean. It's like Up it aesthetically, which is really cool Yeah, no, it's neat seeing him uh reflected in it as well It's such a he's just terrified and it really helps to sell the the horror portions of this so I saw a couple people um Fighting over what exactly this qualifies genre wise. It's like, well, I guess it is a couple Moving in and around all of each other like uh people would try not to act forth Whether it qualifies as sci-fi It's like it probably should it's just a how significant Because because of what people think in their heads about what you'd expect from a sci-fi versus a horror versus a action adventure versus a thriller I don't know if you could count portions of this as thriller, but You know, it doesn't it doesn't really matter that much. It's more so just about how these things show up All this highlights its uh genre We can we can just move post it and talk about what's happening in the film But uh, yeah Malcolm being uh laid down in the back uh As they're driving right and it's just like all you could do is basically be a free meal for it While you're sitting there. So it's just terrifying for him Getting those screams and stuff. It's just like yeah, they made it's just a t-rex chasing them I say that whenever I say that you might think like wait, what do you mean?  I mean in reference to like where it is now Like uh, they if you remember promoting um Fallen Kingdom and Dominion I think they kept talking about how they have a record breaking amount of dinosaurs in the films It's like, okay. I don't care. Yeah, like what it's like this one has the most dinosaurs. Okay You can do way more with the last guys. It's like commonality with these sorts of things Well, it's it's uh, it's one of those Uh euphemisms that is said but nobody ever listens to it ever Less is more it's like yes, but less can be more and more is more More is more more exactly.  We'll stay up in this tree. It seems safe enough and uh, they get to marvel at The Brachiosaurus having some fun in a big old hood. I don't even know this would this be their paddock or are they free? What is uh I'm not I don't know actually, but I presume that they're just roaming about the place. Um Well, I was gonna say they must spend the majority of their time just eating right to sustain a body like that Wow, I think so. Yeah That's what herbivores often do like they're just spend most of their day all the time I do love these sharp contrasts of terror and beauty though throughout the film Oh, you just had that insane encounter with the t-rex to then be contrasted against this just beautiful moment Just nature, you know just observing nature even even though it's you know, probably shouldn't be in existence like this There's still something beautiful about it Does it not feel a little like we've flipped in terms of uh, the beginning was all about the majesty and amazingness of everything And then they like inject the characters talk about the horror element of it almost the You don't understand what you've done sort of thing now We're like exclusively in the horror section of the Experience that we're pulling some nice beautiful things out while we can you know, it's like a flip It keeps oscillating. Yeah, it keeps oscillating between this is horrifying, but still this is really cool, isn't it? But this is terrible. Yeah, but still yeah, I didn't need It's almost like it's on a meta level and it's reflected in the characters Um, but it's it's great for pacing as well after what was a pretty lengthy high intensity scene To just bring it back a little bit, you know fun to have Alan chilling out with the kids and they're even telling jokes and uh asking him for like reassurance Uh, you know about their safety and it's just like look at you go mate. You're almost a dad Yeah, naturally thrust into that role He's doing a great job. Meanwhile, did you really bring in trouble things considered? Yeah Well, yeah, it's such a horrifying scenario. You've got to keep it together for the sake of them The job he has right now Yeah, um the scene I love the scene with Hammond and Ellie coming up now and Yeah, I love as well the panning over all the imagery of the merchandising that's already begun for uh This park and we haven't even launched yet. Like of course, that's how it works. It's just the it's a reminder of Those are very 90s water bottles Yes, and uh, oh appreciate the columns in this room that have all uh fossils in them I imagine not real ones. Just uh the fun aside Well, hey, maybe they are real ones. He's sped no expense. I am that's right He's like you guys got to go out and find some fossils and then cut out a chunk So I can use them as pillars in the cafeteria of Jurassic Park We got to sell this thing And yeah with the the fact they didn't find the kids he's um He's talking about how like, you know, it's I'm sure they're fine because they're with Alan, you know He's the the best business or expert And he tells us about a little bit of his history to give you a really strong understanding of Hammond as a whole right that uh he when he came down from scotland he um would have He ran a flea circus and uh, he's describing like all of the amazing elements sort of thing But that from his point of view, it's obviously all fake The best you can do is temporarily convince people or even just sort of amuse them at the idea And that he always wanted something more real something that was you could reach out and touch something that was actually there And um, I really appreciate that that's like his big goal and you can finally offer the world that but then her coming back with like All of this is still fake. Uh, you've not actually appreciated what these things are or I can't remember um, who I first heard this wrong. So remember it just being an idea but The Hammond wants to show the world Something real something that's in its like originality. It's not like a joke or an illusion or anything But he simultaneously doesn't want the animals to be bound by their nature. He wants them to conform to what he needs Not about it. Um, it's you understand the track that gets him to this point because in a sense, it's very It's very understandable Like it's it's um, it's kind of a misguided appreciation for dinosaurs I think I mentioned earlier like when people like, yeah, I want to pet that wild animal It's like, yeah, you know, I get that there's some earnestness there But you know true respect for the animal is to like observe from a distance leave it be and in this case It's like a reverence for dinosaurs means accepting that they don't exist anymore And to observe them from a distance or at the very least if they were going to exist Not to Like have them bound by the rules of a theme park And yeah, just the desperate pleading with him that he's never really moved on from that flea circus It's all Insane to think That you can create this place the way that you envisioned without having insane repercussions in all all manners that they've covered throughout this film And yeah, and then it comes down to a fundamental that at least just like we just we got to save the people we love We've got to got to get them Yeah, like we just focus in on what matters right now Yeah, it's uh, there's just so much to be considering but ultimately what matters the most like well We got to get them to safety.  Yeah, and it takes a little while for that to sink in and eventually does but it's understandable that it takes a while yeah And uh, he's eating all the ice cream so that it doesn't go so much to waste because of all the power fuckery and uh The freezer will have melted a lot of the ice so to speak It's it's a little bit of a clue as to what will be useful for the characters later Hmm, and then the dinosaur sneezes on the girl and it's funny uh Like the the the braggis are super cool and nice and friendly and then You know, it gives you a bit of reality. Okay snot comes with these things They have no it's not uh, yeah, it's a few million years behind on social decorum. Yeah It is a bit mean I'm not sure that you did it on purpose though No, he did Did he or did he not we got to figure this out Nice and gross, but anyway, uh Yeah, uh allen finds a bunch of uh broken eggs so It looks as if they found a way Or they made an omelette Either those must be expensive a dinosaur omelette that seems like um just yet another You know piece of information relating to the illusion of control that they had here You know, yeah, we control their breeding. No, you don't and you didn't even know It's um, it's kind of funny. I would even cite the Jurassic world evolution game I've played quite a few times is it's all everything you do to make the park function It's all like it's just what ellie said It's all you're pretending as though you really have control when you really don't everything you do is an attempt to maintain Like this long line of just trying to make everything function the way you want But everything keeps going wrong. Everything moves different ways because ultimately that's what you're trying to do You're trying to make it exactly the way you want it, but simultaneously for it to be itself It's completely incompatible And it's just it's just tough to Sort of learn fully because of course if we had hyper technology with intense thick Steel on every single cage and like a really good way to view it all it's like you can definitely get it to that point um But the you know, you're you're gonna be it reminds me of all that stuff I don't know if you guys have seen it's called blackfish the um The documentary about the worst of what's happened to like orcas throughout the world But you can get it so that you fully control them, but then you don't get them pretty much Yeah, exactly like at some point you're changing it so much that you you've lost What it wasn't you were trying to retain A lot of ships sank until we learned how to sail that's probably a way to put this Kind of how things can go Yeah, well I have it on good authority that the sea is always right the sea is always right that's true Yeah, that's true. Yeah, who said that again? Wise wise man. Yeah Wise man Said the sea is always right Totally forgotten who's brings a man who lost his wife to the ocean the lend deal, isn't it? The lend deal, that's right. Why we first we first hear it from the the ship master who's Training is still there and his two friends. The sea is always right Holy shit, do you think when they wrote that they were like people will find me to get that Well people find meaning in that I don't know what it is, but I'll leave it to you Amazon they went to the writers and like this so we're looking at this the sea is always right line What does it mean the writer said?  Oh, right, of course um Yeah, they bump into galamimus Are they even I like that like they might do this kind of activity when being hunted I think Yeah, yeah, that's like uh-huh Then you might have a bit of concern but to be fair they they seem to feel at least allen does pretty safe Because I guess the the t-rex is gonna be much more invested in killing them than the galamimus than them Well, yeah, what what food sources is preferable little people It's always bug me in movies. Yeah, like you have food right there Why are you chasing some random things that are tinier and running away? It's like you have food right here to eat especially when animals There was a there was a real evolutionary Incentive to to minimize how much energy you're using to do this You know, you can't be expending too much effort Bet you'll never look at birds the same way again Maybe that's something they were hoping to achieve Like you'll always be scared of water with jaws and I'd be scared of birds because They're kind of like this big spooky t-rex, huh? They're just gonna open up bird park next You've seen Jurassic to hunt now bird park And yeah, so there's this moment where um samuel jackson's gone to go and sort out the trip switch And he hasn't come back in time So now they're uh, they're worried about where he is and it's kind of weird because He's he's killed And I think that's more than acceptable. It is the ob I guess we'll get there that I find to be absolutely hilarious I'm a bit silly. Yeah Um Anyway ellie suggests that they go and do the trip switch themselves and moldoon this time is the one that says I'll go with you Kind of cool. They've made a bit made a good team before, right?  Um, they figured it was say potentially. I guess yeah, I guess they thought he'd be able to do it. Um But well And yeah, there's this moment where um Hammond offers that he should go instead of ellie and the implication being because he's the man She's a woman and she says, uh, we'll talk about sexism in survival situations when I get back And I just thought that was like it's like well, I give the guy some credit He's basically offering.    I didn't mean to imply he's gay Oh He should be bravely in a closet proudly Yeah, uh, it's kind of cool.   It's all right run just run Get going i'll stay out here and uh be a chat deal with any, uh, velociraptors Yeah, that seems to be the uh the angle hopefully she can do it And uh, yeah, I guess anald went in there and a velociraptor followed him And that's what we would expect to happen have happened to make sense of that. Yeah Now unfortunately Around about the time they're planning on redoing these, uh fences our Group of alan and the two kids Getting out of the paddock. They were trapped in I guess Yeah, there is an electric fences are currently not operational. They're like how he checks Don't check by touching it. Yeah That would be that would be wise You don't check to see if a gun's loaded by pointing it at yourself and pulling the trigger. Yes, you do That's perfectly normal. This uh this bit of levity here as well Yeah, it's such a prick move That's not funny that was great It shows how the difference the the difference in the kids and how they react to you know He finds it funny, which is the correct time And it's also really appreciate him Trying to pry open the little gaps to see if they can get through Which would be you know, your natural kind of first attempt is to see yeah, can we fit through here? It shows gaps that are clearly large enough for the children to go through Yeah, the ones he was playing with I don't even think a child could get through but unfortunately the ones that are Clearly there's some ones at the bottom. Yeah the ones at the bottom They can clearly get through and he says you two go through here. I'll go up and over Yeah, which would solve their uh incoming issue Yes They can fit through there. Yeah Wait someone said Alan knew the cable was safe because it was in the middle Because it was in the middle I don't know what they mean by that. I thought that this whole thing was wired up like uh touch any part of it Oh, yeah, that's why he looks at the lights Yeah, I thought that even then I have He knew it was off because of uh the test with the stick and then Yeah, I would imagine the one he touches is normally going to electrocute you Yeah, and and plus the sign the dangers right there. That's an ancient meme. I'm sorry What oh, what are we? Oh, what Alan with the middle is Alan Alan Alan I know that the it wasn't even the velociraptor Alan. There's so many Alan. I think so The biggest fan they were they liked the middle the most right? Oh man Oh Middle is that I remember me hi cheeks sent me high. I remember that how he says, you know, you know The middle is we don't want things to end Alan in the middle Yeah, because it was something about game of thrones like the reason game of thrones was bad was because we all love the middle We want the middle to go on forever. We don't want an end. Yeah, we don't want to end absolutely wrong Stories work Oh, man, that is an ancient meme How far back was that that's efap like Oh, that that was the um What was that that was the wisecrack? I think it was wisecrack I'm it's making me because for some reason i'm connecting to this is my favorite pot. I don't know if that was the same video Um I love that meme too. Yeah Yeah, he's talking about the uh, yeah, that was randy the goblin Yeah, randy the goblin He wanted his gold ingots, uh Jesus christ Because we covered wisecrack talking about the disney things the disney ruining culture That was so weird I don't write nostalgic right now for these things Wisecrack on game of thrones having a chat with I think it was 46 Damn that is an old wasn't that 46? Um Go in honey I remember joe and honey. I was joe and honey I love gold. I love Oh But oh, wow, there's several animations made in relation to joe and honey dead mobile game Yes, this walking dead mobile game is what it was. Yeah Go 46 Oh good times. Wow. That was that was three years ago or so So that is a on point meme reference She reaches the switches and this is particularly intense now because we know I love this camera pan by the way. So cool As we know They are not off the fence yet and they do believe they are safe And then when she starts, uh charging it up to turn it on I mean, that's really worth pointing out as an appreciation A lot of writers wouldn't have done this is having it so that there's a warning light first to let people know these things are turning on It's like, hey That sounds like a reasonable thing that a writer would happily leave out because it will cause Issues in terms of raising the tension But uh, you managed to implement it well enough here that they know it and they now have to descend quickly because you can't just jump off um But the thing is uh He's not fast enough. He just ain't and he's getting all spooked So it's uh getting real close and he actually gets zapper runied and it would make me wonder Um, I don't think there's ever any overt reference to exactly how many volts are traveling through those things, but Uh Yeah, I'm the warning sign. It says 10,000. Oh in that case, I guess What happens to a human when they hit by 10,000 volts? What's interesting is that as I go into google and type in can 10,000 volts It autofills as can 10,000 volts kill Jurassic park kill Jurassic park um So you see the electric fences required at least 10,000 volts of voltage to contain the dinosaurs properly This is an assumption as mention is made about whether or not direct current or alternating current was used Also, it should be noted that it is in fact amperage not voltage that can lead to death by electrocution Um Let's see. It's it's possible for something to have 10,000 volts behind it and be relatively harmless Uh, it can be life-threatening under certain circumstances And sure enough here you go with tim from Jurassic park really have survived the shock um Let's see, uh, it's difference in voltage which creates large that's that's dang Yeah, I think it's okay that he uh survives this I don't know about him flying back though, but ultimately that he does get caught and obviously people are reference He's like well his heart does stop and it's like no. Yeah, of course I was just curious if that's unusual compared to just dying I wonder if it was just an instakill for people or not Um, it says if your body is only touching defense wires You wouldn't even feel it at least not the sustained current because I guess it's like when if you're being grounded or not Or why birds can land on, you know power lines and not, you know get exploded Uh, the cables are lashed together with thinner metal wires are conductive, but and while they're thinner than much higher resistance per foot Uh Carry on I will uh look and see no problem. Well someone in chat said voltage is the transport amperage is the payload So, um, these are not things I'm aware of so I have to do some google and wiki and but um We've now got the uh the moldoon scene and we kind of did talk about it already So i'm not sure what else to say about it.  I believe this man fully believes that he is uh Completely matched here and that he has to be careful with every single step But that he wasn't aware of hunting patterns of velociraptors when they are together Or the very least it caught him off guard and the clever girl thing is just Perfect meme format And I think they have a puppet on him right animatronic potential Eating him quote-unquote, but they put like leaves and and stuff in place so that it it can just The confusion of what we're seeing is good enough with his screams basically I love the shot of the other velociraptor just watching Yeah Nice and ominous So he's out Even when being careful you can still fail very true That's right, and he was very close. He got a shot off, but it missed so it was very close Um by the this says here what happens if tim is shocked and receives the injuries that are shown in the film Okay, now he's almost certainly dead because his heart apparently stopped We'll give grant the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he wouldn't give a small child Who you might already have broken ribs from the fall? He just sustained chest compressions unnecessarily Unfortunately people who need cpr generally don't just go back to normal in a few minutes cpr keeps you alive long enough to get Medical attention which in this case wasn't available in a reasonable time frame Also, it will it will be noted that if someone's heart isn't working Um, it's better that they get broken ribs than have their heart not work abc That's uh That's that's what it is with cpr All right, there was a real good risk that you can break someone's ribs doing it, but Yeah, I mean, but that heart is more important ribs can They'll they'll mend they'll grow back your if your heart stops stupid ribs get out of the way out of the way I think right when we're watching that you highlight like a grant comes across ellie and What he sees is she has a very dramatic delivery of run that she keeps like under breath so to speak almost Yeah, and then they collect up they hug and I think you were like Run Are we are we not running? Are we okay now? I guess I guess not maybe I guess that she's desperate especially if she knows what happened to moldoon, but uh You know, it's just funny. It's like Running to the safety of alan. It's like no, no, no not safe not safe Keep going keep alan's pretty great, but I don't know if he's like dinosaur resistant I'm so resistant. What does that look like? I don't know eventually the dinosaur will get you but you know, it'll yeah So someone's wondering dinosaur proof yet. Do you guys think it was deliberate that they had the lunch scene right after they saw the feeding scene for the velociraptor And then they're enjoying indulging in all the deserts here Like happily eating so to speak and then we see the velociraptors are here as well Like they're here. It's sort of in a way. It's like they're here for the same reason That you are there right now eating. This is the reflections I guess of because um They have it quite close together the ferocious nature of destroying that feeder And then it cuts to like the meal and the plate being placed for them at lunchtime And I was like, I wonder if that's on purpose as well that humans of Our desires and designs almost separate us from the animal kingdom Happily but that uh, that is still ultimately what we are They're doing the exact same thing as the velociraptors Maybe yeah, because um something I don't like is when they treat dinosaurs as good or evil in this franchise Like um, those are the good hero ones and those are the non hero ones and Gosh don, do I love it when that hero t-rex takes out the villain of the film? It's like what? What is it? What are you like like like yay? He did it good t-rex or something It's like no the animals. They're just They're doing what they're doing because they're hungry and they want to survive and they've been built that way Like I just I don't like going further than that.  Quick going back and forth.  Like it's so annoying.    Dude, it's such a like how did we get here? Like what is this disaster? You know, it's crazy by the way. I'm looking at the timeline It's like all right this sequence with the velociraptors about to begin and it's like wait, we've only got like 15 10 minutes of movie left Film is real close to being to ending at this so dense They get so much shit done because if you were telling me how much time passes How much time passes in from those velociraptors to the credits? I'd be like 20 minutes 25 No Like no way less than that because again, you know the the t-rex We don't see him until over an hour in like just over an hour Oh, and I I guess I'll I'll address it because I just I don't know but apparently these accurately speaking are not velociraptors They are a different kind of raptor um Raptors, it's not utah raptors or utah raptors utah raptors. They are raptor. No, I know but oh these ones have feathers It means utah's predator. Uh, it's one word utah raptor. I thought so to clarify. They're not from the state of utah well Okay, well, I guess we'll have to we're left to speculate on that one then Oh, it looks like the it looks like the utah raptors. Oh the here. Let me get you a picture of the the the utah raptor Okay, he's uh, he's a cool one. He's one of the bird boys Look at him Well, yeah, maybe this is a hot take but when I see the illustrations of the of like raptors that look more like birds I prefer those to you could easily make these lads terrifying I don't think we there's no way. Yeah. Look at the look of the claws and the teeth and Yeah, I mean, especially if it like plumes up or something to make itself look bigger Like are we terrifying? I uh, I do really like the designs of all the dinosaurs in this film. I think they look cool I will say that I do have a preference personally for the more bird-like illustrations that I've seen of velociraptors Um, not because I'm a bird just because I think they look neat There is there is something about it's There's something about things being Almost I don't know. I don't know. I it's weird how I'm kind of thinking about how to phrase it when things don't look perfect Or look aesthetic in a way that makes them look better because it doesn't seem like you're trying To make them look a certain way like that's just it as it is It's like it's like some how some like russian rifles and stuff are really ugly sort of looking But that almost makes them appealing because they look like they're pure utility In defense of the well, I There's the film. Do we have a Did we have this sort of understanding of what they could look like when this film was made? I don't know Because I don't know if we I don't know that we do which I find interesting is that our perception of dinosaurs and what they look like Has just changed the more that we've learned about them. Yeah, I could be wrong But what I thought was when this film was made this was the presumed science the the uh That's what I'm saying. Yeah Well, I'm seeing some people say yes and some people say no. Oh feathers weren't discovered yet Uh, that's yeah, because I think that's what I've heard The imprints of like that on some of the fossils that they found there's just markings on the bones that have led them to conclude The whole feather aspect and then dude just I'm sure plenty of people here Watched the curse gizak video on what dinosaurs may have actually looked like is uh, super cool That's a real interesting one in terms of trying to get you to rethink um You know perceptions of what dinosaurs may have looked like Uh, and a few people are saying watch prehistoric planet, which yeah, I'll have to throw that on the list Dude Gary sent me a screenshot from that m power series where it has an image of Uh scarlet witch and it looks like scarlet witch from uh, Dr. Strange 2 specifically and the words around her are empowering heroes Uh, I I what what does the mcu or marvel studios as like a almost stated matter? Like the author of the work What is that? Do they think that she's a hero? I just want to know I don't know what's going on anymore Like she's insane. She's not even a a villain you could understand. She's just insane. No, she's incomprehensible as a villain um Man, yeah, I don't know. I don't know much else Let's see what it is I'm gonna see really it's gonna be just behind the scenes and then it's gonna say some cringe stuff like you know Women have always needed someone to look up to and finally they do you know stuff like that by the way It feel like it's worth talking about here ellie is like she's a very active character in this story Um, yeah, she gets involved like constantly. She's got a very clearly defined perspective and goals Um, I find it so fascinating when you go watch a lot of these movies from the 90s and the 80s It's like, I don't know man. Where are you? Have you guys seen movies like female characters who were active in stories? We're not invented in like 2060. All right. I feel like pandering I don't get it. It's not true. I guess people like fall for it. They insist on it and people just like go along with it Question. What are your what are your references like how much how much story have you consumed in your life? To where like you can't latch on to any You know if we the strong which again like the fact that that I don't even get that term You don't describe characters as strong male characters. They just are characters.  So I don't know Which makes it easier to Break through it if it Why why would you ascend when you can bring us down? You broke it the glass.  They didn't need to be broken What is the wall and if you're gonna rebuild it? Why are you breaking it? What do you mean like what does the wall represent?  I guess and they're rebuilding it Yes, but I mean you like that's your industry Whatever I'm sure they're changing it for the better You know captain marvel black widow and I'm sure the marvels are going to be brilliant as a Wonderful set of movies in the interview. Can you imagine if that film actually makes like less than an man? That will be so funny. I think it might I I would actually I would wager that it will make less So something that I wonder is I think one of the stated reasons for delaying that film was post-production pipeline I would Guess that one of the motivations as well is july has like mission impossible Uh mission impossible dead reckoning. It's got uh, it's got I don't know what the flash is going to look like in terms of making money, but that's in june Um, like that's that's a busy time for films And I mean guardians will have only come out a couple of months earlier I wonder if there's like a genuine concern that like the box office for that film would just be demolished by the films that surrounded by Um, and that was part of the motivation Tom cruiser's reputation right now is well I think uh, the sniper relevant part is following ant men releasing to no competition Uh, and not doing so well and then like the next hey cocaine That well cocaine bear was a week later. That's what I'm saying. It didn't release to any direct competition And then creed three as well coming in with a massive box office and apparently scream as well, right? Is had a big opening weekend. Yeah 24 million. I think I think that they are nervous right now at marvel Well, I saw I think I saw a tweak go viral about it I kind of I'm getting closer to say that a movie's back is something happening. What's going on? It's something happening where like films that at the very least are more original more driven by filmmakers Are starting to make a resurgence. That would be real nice to see because person boots is still making money A film still in theaters is still making money I think it's expected to cross 500 million now Because this has been an annoyingly long drought But I thought that we'd be getting it for longer where we get a couple of movies we like but mostly it's dominated still by superhero mcu stuff, but uh That seems all four sequels because the the idea alone that I know scream is a sequel It's like so we're still going we're not like out of the we're not into the the best times of cinema Just is this signs of things are changing is all I'm saying Screams like it is original.  I don't know. Yeah. No, it's not a marvel movie Yes, um, and and that's kind of what we're gonna. It's nice to see other things rising up the leaderboards again for box office compared to And I think that's why there's a bit of attention, but the this year are This is an interesting year for disney. It's their hundredth. It's a centennial Yes centennial Um I I'm so curious to see what films end up in like in the top 10 because I get the impression a lot of them aren't going to be disney films Um, I get the impression that you'd have like the mario brothers movie might be real high up there That new fast furious movie Yeah, um Oh my god mission impossible took a while to get that one out I'm just curious. That's all what this year looks like for disney and how that manifests in terms of changes they make Because the changes on the production side of these marvel movies. I don't think we're going to see that manifest until like 2025 And I don't I don't think we're going to see it reflected in these new movies that are coming out this year and even some of them from next year I know who knows about the remakes We just have to see just hoping there's this sort of growing first in the audience for Like you see you see you see ant-man 17 and you see cocaine beer and you're like cocaine beer. Yeah, let's do it The very least it's Something I you know, it's kind of different Yeah, like how long can this last come on now? And I wouldn't be saying this by the way if they were really well written still if if everything in baseball We're on the level of like avengers. It's I don't I don't think I care that much I'd be like it doesn't surprise me. It's still at the top of box office if they're going to be written this well But now, you know But yeah, uh, I think it's fast-tracked the Dreaded fatigue everyone talks about I've seen people saying This is interesting right because everyone's calling out what will be the future And I've seen the take that like no, this is just another round of calling out fatigue where it's not even there Like all right The numbers yeah, this is unprecedented what's happening with ant-man potentially and the marvels everyone's wait bed It's not to see the movie guardians will be interesting. How old is guardians do? Because that one I don't think it'll tell us anything. Uh, how well that does it's it's guardians It's like almost people see it separate from the MCU in a way Well, and let's say it flops.  And then the big thing is what does it translate to when James Gunn is kind of like of all the marvel directors He's he's more known than a lot of the directors and he's going to DC Yeah, how much does guardians 3 being great feed into subsequent marvel films and tv shows really? Um, anyway Well, we got the velociraptor scene now Yes, and I love that uh, she's closed the door on it in that generator room And he's like so is only the two we got to deal with right and then she's like, well, yeah Unless they can figure out open doors Yeah, it's like uh about that That can't say but I love him breathing on the glass as well Yeah, we were talking about these sort of micro interactions with the real world And there are some things you may forget when you're working with an animatronic because you're like I've got it. This is the real thing done And then it's like if people on set are there and and in the work to be like Well, I mean if it breathed real hard and it was hot breath and it went onto the glass It would do this let's make it do this It's really cool Um, yeah, this looks so good. Look at that the eye and it looking around I love the it just looks so good and the the The lids close the narrowing lids. I know it Uh, it's so cool to watch the lips. Yeah, pull back a little bit. This is why by the way I refuse to like I find it interesting when it's fiction when it's nonsense like not Not nonsense, but not real. Um, meanwhile like I asked people get bored of dinosaurs. I just I'd love to see these fuckers. Are you kidding me? But then I feel bad because it'd be like, oh no, I watched Jurassic Park. I remember the message of that. Oh, dear I'll be having them in little boxes And then it's like you might remember Jurassic Park, but I have a question Do you remember Disney's 2000? Dinosaur, yeah, I saw it once and it's been too long.  Whatever it was now growing up. I saw that more than once I don't know if it's good or not.  That's good. Maybe Why is cracking lemurs in my dinosaur movie? Yeah, the We watched the raptors open up the door and they come And we switching between practical and cg quite a bit in this scene and uh You know, they were trying to make it seamless and I appreciate every last effort I think they did a great job. I love them. I think they're fantastic. I was so impressed I'm like the lighting on the cg as well.  I don't expect when we watch any movie again that I'll see this.  Well, the thing is they'll pass it to the CGI guys. It's like so can we have four years like james cameron gave us? Oh, wait, you're serious It was like the in the scene that just showed a moment ago Like the two velociraptors standing in the doorway like those were CGI. Yeah, but like they look pretty darn good What it seems to me that they only ever use CGI when they have no option to do only can't show the body Yeah, because they have the feet. They have the heads. They have the little hands But we're gonna have to do a full body. Yeah Well rags you pointed out when we were watching it and I'm the exact same it's like burned into my memory the the feet going across the ground and the Click-clack the clock tapping on the yeah Because you we see them because The way it's directed and shot, right?  You can see the feet and the claws From above you can see the head and then you can have the tail kind of wiggling around behind Yeah, so you don't have to see the body to have the scene completely and totally work You see all the really dangerous bits Um and that's like enough to totally sell you on it because moments ago you saw the CGI of the full body So your mind doesn't even think about oh, yeah, of course. There's a body like well, duh There's it's just the the tables in between us and the body And so it it's just it's the direction paired with the good animatronics paired with the the wise use of CGI Yeah, because there are some saw the CGI there of them and it's like what two seconds And here it's like what gonna be Four five seconds and then what we're already moving on And to have done it practically would have been a nightmare when they're like full body It would have looked if they're not that good You can do if you put a lot of work and effort into making heads claws Um, you know a tail you can do that but to make the whole thing walk around that's just the technology's just not You know quite you know, I would have been something else movement that you want.   You're like, well, she's fine because it can't actually get it by going that way.  They thought you just thought exactly what they did. How about that, huh? And then uh, yeah, like Give them a little credit He runs in to the freezer Immediately chased by the rafter and he grabs on to like I think a pole so he can swing himself To not like fling right into the freezer, but of course the raptor can't and it just slides right in because Yeah, with the power having gone off for so long things were melted in there So it's all slightly set up and pay off and there's a lot of those nice little moments in there There's no like big dramatic set up and pay off. It's just a lot of Small well, I mean setting up like, you know several minutes beforehand Character this plenty. I don't know if what would call this it's it's such a strange environment, right?  It's just like this shot of the last raptor stared at him.    It's like wait a minute. This isn't supposed to be a thing It's it's it's scary to see a handle turn from the other side You know when you're not touching it like that's that's scary. That's a special one.    It's like you're making me work so hard to eat you I heard there was chilean seabass in there and you're not sharing I remember the chilean seabass So yeah, um, I guess the one thing you could say Because you did highlight the line rags that she's like, uh, if I basically if I go to get the gun I can't continue to hold the door But uh, I suppose she could have uh told timmy to grab it for him Um, so what she said before this was you can't hold it without me or like you need me to is like I got to hold this with you So I don't know if timmy would be strong enough which does kind of call into question No, no, no, he was able to I mean him to pick up the gun and give it to her Uh, Alan I guess yeah, I wonder if she's even thinking about that in the moment That is one thing I would allow for the panic of it all is the panic and the kids are over by the computer trying to It redo the thing. I guess they're working together and I'm just so focused on keeping this door shut Um that it doesn't even occur to me to ask timmy It's a it's it's a thing that's uh happened to me in video games sometimes where it'll be like an intense battle It's going back and forth back and forth and I'm like About to die do die and then it's like you had a full heal. It's like oh shit Yeah, it happens your character has like two abilities and if you just use them you would have been okay You're like, oh, yeah, that's right What but I was just so ingrained in the moment I wasn't even thinking about like using an ability or using an item And you can argue that ellie believes at that point that the two of them are trying to get the system rebooted Absolutely Which is quite funny visually by the way this insane like database is is Visualized almost like a cartoon motherboard or something Windows 96 what is it and then it windows 91 whatever I'm not sure Windows 98 We were talking about before it's like oh look at the 3d graphics here as you saw through your files This is fun Can you get me this file? Yeah, sure. Let me fly over here. It'll be three minutes But on my very old computer with these 3d renders in real time So it's a eunuch system. She knows this. She's like, I know this It's funny. I think rise you mentioned It's just like the way you show it with the mouse like you've never used a mouse before You've never used a mouse before or not.  You've been detected retail computers. All right. Look it was ellie It's just uh The way she's because yeah, there's just a way people hold but she's like uh using the thumb as a full control over It's so strange Um, but yeah, the door locks up. It's all good. We made it folks and then uh They call back and we have some fun lines about like You know, mr. Habba the phones are working. I think uh This is probably the most badass. He comes across as well. Alan Like the the blood on his face the gutted head is just like get the damn helicopters But uh, we hear a smash and I assume that is the Velociraptor they thought was neutralized or at least in the um the place with neomildo and the generator and so it's in And uh, and I they have this shot of the gun I meant to look at this again because I wasn't sure if they were trying to tell us He's out of shots or if it's jam or jam Um, I don't we hear like three or four And the way that it's on the ground looks like it's kind of deliberately that way um because Yeah, because there's a shell I mean, I it could be uh jammed that I just dropped it or he could be out But you wouldn't know that you were out so The way that it looks to me Is that it was like a failure to eject But if you just flip the gun over to the right that it sort of falls out and you don't know that you're out until you Um, I I don't know specifically what you know the spas 12 mechanism uses But you know, of course you you press the you know the the pull the trigger and there's a click and you don't get anything but Um, yeah the spent casings there very neatly all next to the gun But I don't know I guess for whatever reason the gun is either Not working or it's out of animation Assessment would be we saw three holes in the glass. There's two shells on the floor one stuck in the gun Seemingly so it didn't eject properly and he gave up on the gun when that happened Really the most relevant part of this scene is is is Hammond's face. Oh, it's Oh, yeah It's a shame that your video has now made that a meme to me. Oh, so it's past 12 cinematic It's both my reaction to fully Automatic and pump action Because not all the shells have enough create enough generate enough force to feed the next round in and semi automatic Because it was made for SWAT teams and police. So Um, if you make a shotgun for like police SWAT teams that sort of thing You want to have a shotgun that can do different loads, whether it's bean bags or A non-lethal things of that nature and they don't all necessarily generate the amount of energy required to cycle Back and forth. So if they're using less, you know powerful shells You want to have it in pump action so that you could manually make sure that it chambers another Shell there's a couple people saying it is about the fact that it's a sparse 12 Means it's more than likely a jam because that's something of a known thing with that. Is that True, what do you mean? The sparse 12 never jammed when I was playing model warfare 2. I'm very true. Yeah It shows what they know about guns, huh? I don't know. Um, it looks like uh, that looks like a kind of thing that was deliberately placed because the shotgun in the chamber You could tell that it's been It's either I can't see the end That's where they decided to put it so I don't know Also interesting because someone just chatted Chat about it. I think that's actually when they show everyone reacting to the blaster after coming I'm not sure if let me check again. I don't know if you can see ellie saying it But she says oh, it's gonna cut through the glass Yeah, you can't see her saying it. I think they would have thrown that in as adr to You know assuage anyone being like how's it getting through the glass? Like It or bashing its head or just yeah, it feels like an overcorrection. It's like don't worry. I can believe I could get through glass. I think yeah Yeah, absolutely. A person can get through glass See if only if only grant had the model 1889 akimbo, he would have been he would have been fine It's true.  I mean this past 12 was in modern warfare 2 It was this past four was insanely good as well as a secondary very long range on it.  It's bad subtitling. She actually shouts It's coming through the glass which seems more reasonable. Yeah in terms of like less That comes across as less overcompensating more normal Uh in terms of making sure people understand how this is happening sort of thing and yeah, we get uh Hammond looks like he believes right now that his grandchildren might die Yeah, it's uh The most intense reaction you get out of him in the whole movie and it's very much appropriate Yep, it's not because his park is failing. It's not because the dinosaurs are loose It's because he thinks his kids are in danger The more the longer the film goes on the more localized his concerns become Yeah, it's great. Well Ellie talked to him about who we love is what matters now Mm-hmm Yeah, and then we get the velociraptor Searching for him and then it pokes up the thing and like I said, uh, start with animatronic with his head It's kicked and then when we see him again, he's full cg and uh, we were looking at it for a little bit when we watched this Because I was just so thoroughly impressed with it and it's it we came down to it. It's got to be the animation It's what uh makes this so believe me Animation is so important. It seems whenever I really notice CGI when it comes to like character, you know It's it's always seems to be Man, you you seem very light. You don't you don't seem very weighty. I don't feel like you have me I mean the dinosaur is way less to uh way less distracting than the stunt double I uh, I think uh the the kick uh that was mentioned rags did like it like, uh Sort of changes the balance of weight so it can get back up Like that helps as well. It just looks It's the movement It's the way it moves and it moves in a way where it's quick not too quick. You could tell it has a an amount of weight to it Um, yeah, it kicks the so it could kind of get back on its feet It's it's just it just looks so good for it's cg. It's a complete 100 totally cgi dinosaur In a 1993 movie and it really looks good and it's terrifying This is the um almost the opposite of what you get in in ant-man where you can tell when really looking into it how Detailed the graphics are right, which is something I guess you could be critical of but that's actually where I would bring in Like this is the most they can do they literally can't do more Some can you see how like parts of it have to stretch instead of what looks like it doesn't look quite like skin And instead looks like a an image stretching For Very specific parts of the body. This is what I mean. You have to go Manly oh, yeah, you got to look really closely.  You'll never believe it The big problem with the the the cassey runnin is not like the fidelity of the suit. It's the animation It just looks goofy and it's something that's so clearly important for the fact that everyone sees it immediately laughs It's like oh, well, I think it's um the reason why video games often Seem as though they look better than they actually because you know like video games being rendered in real time on consumer grade hardware It's it's never gonna look as good as the best that you can do with visual effects at the time But yet people will often compare stuff like ant-man to like a playstation 3 game It's like well, why is that ps3 games like don't have as high quality textures They can't and it's well, you know, you play uncharted 3. It's like the animation is really good Like the animation does a lot of work for you Like if you you animate a character in a way that like seems convincing that can overcome like the your fidelity of it And yeah them cycling through the uh upper levels gets them being able to come down onto the fossil sort of Yeah, representations of these important dinosaurs at the main hole, which is just like, uh, what a great place for a set piece Literally hanging onto the fossils for safety Let me ask this Is it a problem with the movie that the velociraptor is able to get high enough to stick its head through the Panels in the ceiling, but it can't jump high enough to Crabber leg. Yeah, that doesn't I didn't even think of that. That doesn't really make much sense I don't think it has much of a consequence Maybe if you look around the room see if there is a potential for that that could be it Yeah, I don't know if it's it's if it's standing on anything taller or the room has a bunch of tables and stuff It could be on but But yeah, uh, I quite love this sequence for just the absolute chaos All these different pieces are all coming apart everyone's trying to hang on to each of them And then the strings are coming apart gradually as well with the velociraptors moving around One has jumped on and one's on the bottom, right? They're all just Just so much happening all at once. I think even the individual pieces are knocking the others Can't imagine in the for a velociraptor's brain how it's processing all this madness. It just wants to eat man It's like I'm hungry. This ambig is weird Or there's no meat on these big ones.  This is I was saying rags. I don't know why they did it that way I think it would have been perfect during the tense scene to have the building up Sound not even show him's gonna just have those sounds the doom Doom Yeah, the bones on the floor can rattle just very subtly and then maybe maybe they just sort of they turn their heads to Look at something off-screen And then as the raptor pounces, you know, it gets grabbed Like they are like the grant and crew are distracted by the t-rex walking in that they don't really look at the They they turn away from the velociraptor for a moment just to imply that they just noticed it showed up Well, and you could even do a different kind of shot where the two velociraptors are moving in Grant's looking at both of them And then we have the shot of him looking to the center almost and up And terrified them both the velociraptors turn and look because they haven't realized it either Or the velociraptors are maybe in front of them And then the t-rex comes from behind and they scurry away from the middle as the dinosaurs like start going after each other or something Yeah, something, you know, but yeah, it is kind of Um Strange how it just won this this by the way is the origin of hero t-rex I don't I don't particularly mind him attacking raptors.  I think that they did that the villain and uh, oh, I guess Yeah, t-rex killed the the indominus rex kind of um, so I was yeah lost world T-rex kills business man guy Yeah, um, I don't think they do it in Jurassic park three because the t-rex is killed by the spinosaurus to be like look Spinosaurus is scarier and it's like, okay. I remember fans were very upset by that by the way People like the t-rex Everybody likes t-rex, he's cool Well, it's just funny because I don't if you show us spinosaurus beating a t-rex unless I know different from like Biology or history or whatever as to which would win the fight. I don't have like a stake in t-rex to the point Or I don't want him to see see him lose to anyone, you know, he's just it's an animal it can be killed sure um But I remember people were very much upset to uh See the t-rex defeated by the spinosaurus, especially because I think the goal filmmaking wise was to be like see spinosaurus is scarier You should be more scared of him But I haven't seen that movie in so long like I don't even say more than that But yes, the t-rex is um summoned like iron man in Jurassic worlds to help Like an actual superhero type situation with it dealing with the endominus rex It's like the t-rex and the mosasaur is essentially team up to kill him, right? You could argue And then All in kingdom the t-rex eats the villain again. It's kind of like lost world And I don't know about dominion, but I assume the t-rex has hero moments in that as well I don't know. I just find it lame It was cool the first time, all right Well, so this is where I mean, I don't really see the problem That element isn't here with this the t-rex is just eating the velociraptors.  Like it's not it seems much more neutral in that regard um But yeah, they get out and he's like, uh, mr. Hammond have decided not to endorse your park No, I know but I wanted to mention the yeah, yeah, because we we did kind of talk about uh, the banner, right? Sorry, no, you're right. It is it is fantastic. Oh an honorable mention to the second raptor jumping onto the t-rex That's pretty chad.  Yeah, no Um, but the the thing that I think almost makes it even better is the fact that he says Neither neither am I like I'm not endorsing it either. It's like hey We got there. We got his arc. You know what nah Yeah, this was uh, it was a mistake. This was an error And yeah, that's um, I think pretty much for the rest of the film. It's just they leave Yeah, that's those are the final words of the film. I think The rest of it is just reactions Uh, them getting on the helicopter and the way that each of them are sort of just you know looking as they're reflecting on their experience Yeah, as if it's almost like a recognition of once this guy Thinks it's a mistake. That's that's like there's not really anything else needs to be said like that's the end What's uh Hammond's hopes and dreams have all been shattered and he's had to realize a lot of realities He didn't want or need to be true for him, but it's uh, not work. Yeah, looking in there looking at the uh, the mosquito in there In the sap such a great shot So many we didn't even see what Hammond was looking at but he was just looking out I mean in the shot before that where he's uh on that landing pad But you know, he's just looking over at the island all of it. It's just That was a mess so much for that something we get ellie looking uh surprisingly chill almost happy and it's because she's seeing Alan with the two kids Remember she's she's made a couple comments about how she's hoping to have a kid and uh It's just a nice little completion of that arc as well Yep, I think you've got uh You've got Malcolm sitting off, uh to the side Malcolm who's not in the middle No, no, no, he's uh, he's quite quiet and uh melancholy as well The thing is he was just correct about everything so you can just sit back. You've done your work Someone in chat's pointing out that no one is celebrating. It's a somber moment when they escape They're not gonna be we did it. Woo-hoo. A lot of people died Um, and it feels like it's reflected. This was this was a bad day. It's just relief if anything It's over and not a word necessary and then yes, we got that shot there of the birds flying along Which uh Yeah, I mean another instance of something where it's like that's very deliberate. You can read into that what you want Just life being life, isn't it? Yeah, that's what all of this was Why it went all wrong I mean references to how dinosaurs are essentially became birds, you know That's yeah, you know, and they're out there, you know dinosaurs are still out there in in a way anyway Yeah, in a sense in a way. Oh and this last shot of the helicopter riding off into the sunset Good man Is the crazy how many like of the best films ever made steven spielberg has made Not nuts. He's behind quite a few. Uh, yeah Well, this is funny because um, we were hanging out a bit with gary as well when we were talking about this movie And it's it's like my pick for his movies is going to be saving pro ryan But it's Jurassic park is not far away.   Yeah, of course He made raiders as well. Yeah as well he made um It's it's uh jaws It's uh last crusade Of course, that would be my favorite of those three is that's my favorite. Thank you Wait, would that be your favorite spielberg film? Hmm Maybe Maybe it's definitely not certain but definitely pencil it in minus saving private ryan Um chat. What are your favorite? That's a lot harder. What are your favorite spielberg movie? What are your that's that's a sentence. It's good enough. I'm tired Let me I'm curious what the what the winners are typically Yeah, I'm I'm actually I'm curious too because I could understand I could understand so many of his films being picks Jurassic park, I wouldn't be surprised to show a thing a few raiders and uh last crusade Jurassic park If you include television shows band of brothers as uh, that's a that's a choice for sure. Oh, yeah film with radius saving private raptor Staying some jaws temple of doom Not many ets No, um I understand that et done. It's been a while since i've watched et but the fact that it hasn't made that much of an impression on me I'd be curious to see it again to know I don't know anything about the film anymore. I've seen it like twice or even three times, but it's all gone says look look We have goonies Ready player one You're you're lying to me. You're memeing. I know it Get christus skull stop stop it ever it was genuine answers about it's me There are no There are no um a lot of the choices of the ones I because He did did he direct super eight? I thought that was jj abrams. I thought it was jb jj abrams as well Yeah, I think he produced it maybe um jj abrams was the director I'm doing a couple of different ones though. Someone said west side story, which was the recent one munich Um, he did lincoln, right? I need to see that. I think so. Yeah Vampire slayer Yes, the vampire slayer. No, no, I think they came out around about the same time though actually um Some people are asking about the post credit scene. Yeah, you do go back to the freezer and the velociraptor is trapped in this Says i'll get you allen grant I'll get you and then it says velociraptor will return. Yes Well, you have it's it's a post credit scene where you have nick fury opening up the freezer And telling the raptor that he's assembling a team of uh You're part of a bigger universe. He hasn't got his arm And the velociraptor says Yeah, which we can only assume means yes, of course. I don't see how Yes, anyone wants to get into the mcu.  Maybe in a tv show Paychecks, man There's one of the best films of all time. It really is Uh I'm happy to call it a masterpiece though. It implies this is spielbig's masterpiece as though it wouldn't be any others And it's like no, yes, few he's got a few he's got a few um And yeah, the hopefully we've made clear over these hours Why we believe this script wise is It is punchy as fuck. It is uh very efficient Very clear cut characters that all behave within their uh limits and values A plot line that as much as it has a couple of stretches It really relies on them to generate what it believes to be obviously a really potent story Like uh the exchange rate, I would say for flaws to the power of this script is a very very good one compared to Something like a modern mcu film where it's just nothing but contrivances for payoffs that you're confused about Like like think of modoc as a payoff. You're like, what was that? Yeah, and and of course bearing in mind that this is a this has got a lot of variables You know, it's a science fiction story Like it's got a lot of variables that need to be juggled. Um, and it does so very effectively And we have a bunch of very well-defined characters All representing different perspectives on a core theme that's very interesting And it's just a really entertaining and engaging story as well. It's a fun movie That's what I mean, uh, I think as a kid I would have been able to talk forever about how cool it is that these dinosaurs were like You know trapped animals and then they through accident get released and They get to take control of the island almost and like how much uh, you know Be careful next time like a like a more straightforward and simplistic view But the older I get the more I end up talking extensively about All of thematic through lies like what does this say about technology and how we Understand and control it as it develops and of course, what does it mean overall to say man versus nature? What are those categories and where do they lead and How careful should we be? We often consider ourselves in a prime position to control and manipulate nature But there's always so many drawbacks and I love media that explores it. It's really fun To draw the line so to speak um Yeah, and and dinosaurs are fucking cool Yep There's I don't know this has been the goat dinosaur movie forever and I think it still is right Nothing's going to probably well stand that way forever I can't see anything beating it like people told me about that movie 65 with dinosaurs in it, but like it ain't gonna be able to compare is it Probably not who's directing it I have no idea it is uh Scott Beck and brian woods well the rotten tomatoes is um 36 from critics 66 from audiences They uh write the screenplay for a quiet place Oh Oh After a catastrophic crash on an unknown planet pilot mills quickly discovers he's actually stranded on earth 65 billions these years ago Now with only one chance at rescue mills and the only other survivor koa Must test make their way across an unknown terrain riddled with dangerous prehistoric creatures in an epic fight to survive It's an hour and 33 minutes by uh, it's produced by sam reimey. I hope it's good I hope it's good, but I don't know. I mean Yeah, um, I don't know I was almost going to say this just not much in the dinosaur genre Uh, if one was to count it, of course, they'd probably be able to make a big list But I guess I mean in ratio to just everything that gets made you don't often hear but a movie that's got dinosaurs in it It's always Jurassic as a you know franchise Not as interesting to uh, see how uh, it's translated to video games and other media as well because that's a good amount of Jurassic park games yeah And uh, I I very much enjoyed the Jurassic world evolution game Even though that is a lesser version of games that have come before a lot of the park management games that have come out over the years What about that movie 10 000 bc? Did that have dinosaurs or was this like later? Was this like a ice age sort of thing? 10 000 there were no dinosaurs in 10 000 bc Re-separate I know yeah, I can realize really well.  I meant the movie to be fair The movie might have had it isn't it who who made the 10 000 bc that was Roland emmerich I could believe he put dinosaurs in there if you want it Yeah Oh, let me check the let me check the rotten tomatoes of it.  Yeah, let me just have oh my god. Are we gonna wheel out that ancient That ancient meme Um really good movie Yes, um 10 000 bc Sure. No No Thanks, everyone. Please don't make any more stop it We're coming into the e-fap on 10 000 bc by Roland emmerich King Kong movie get your long kong on Maybe one day. Well, I was gonna say uh, hopefully This format has some level of interest slash approval. Maybe we'll try and do this every once in a while for different Delving into older movies. Yeah, and not just good movies, but the greats I think we'll try and save it for maybe gonna be nice because we do a lot of shitting on a lot of bad stuff So maybe be nice to go for like some of the best the best When it's nice this uh, yeah, this this week was a bit of a Lull right no major new releases that were super Interesting looking that's like, so we've gone back and watching an old great movie, you know We have uh played with the idea of the Jurassic per arc So to speak and so a lot of people I think when this stream booted up We're like, oh my god, we're beginning the arc and it's like actually there's no plans to do All of them now following we've got other stuff No, the idea was uh Jurassic Park specifically But that doesn't mean that you won't get coverage of the rest in future in some format of some kind I'm I'm invested in the idea that we do eventually check out Dominion. Um Apparently that's a good old clown movie. So I'm sure it'll be fun Okay Fingers crossed no promises, but uh, you know, I I am interested in perhaps one day. Who knows doing Maybe a video on on one of the or maybe something to do with this. It's such a fascinating franchise Um, yes, it is We talked about it Well, like seven hours ago, whatever but uh the the dramatic missing of everything that was said in this film Uh and how it's it's foreshadowed its own future in so many ways Well, it's a future of the film industry Mm-hmm They ain't making them like they used to we've talked to this many times But when I was younger and I was seeing shit tons of movies like this I was just like good god imagine how good movies are gonna be With the future someone wrong. Yeah, something went wrong And um, hey like uh Spielberg recently put out the fableman's right. Has anyone got any word on whether or not that's good I've never even heard of it That's a that's a problem for it. It's uh, I think suffered at the box office And uh, yeah, no, it's it's something of a concern that you can't be successful as a movie that's not of a franchise or um, a superhero at this point, but uh You know fableman's doesn't sound like something that people are going to be super engaged with anyway necessarily like in a super mainstream But I don't know if it's any good Fableman's is mad Is a giant crayfish in it Like oh, I don't know if that's 92 from critics 83 from audiences. So Yeah, looks like it's well liked. I've just never heard of it Well with that I suppose that is the uh, we've reached the end of the stream this uh, this coverage We will definitely do the super chats in a catch-up. I'm gonna I was actually gonna do them today But not if we would reach seven hours Before reaching the the conclusion of this portion. So Um, they're still getting released. It's it's awkward to Figure out where I'm putting them when we've got the two efab tv episodes coming outside by side And the funny thing of course is by the time the last of us ends which last episode we're watching tomorrow Tomorrow, yeah It'll be replaced in two days by the release of the first episode of garth of knights So yeah, uh, uh, they shall be gotten to and I've I've noted, um, something annoying that youtube does and uh, I didn't realize it until recently they get rid of the um, the messages sent in with uh, Remembership or membership in general you can't find them when you go into your supers It's really fucking dumb if they offer you the chance to send a message through that and then you can't retrieve it If it's gone and so what'll happen? It's gonna be a bit of a change Um, so yeah, uh, uh, they shall be gotten to and I've I've noted um, something annoying that youtube does and uh, You can't do that and then you can't retrieve it if it's gone and so what I'll have to do When we're doing the catch-up is boot up this episode And look through the literal live chat as it comes through to collect the uh, the messages Not something I prefer to have to do, but it's not like it's given me much of a choice I don't know why But youtube, uh, hasn't fixed that Uh, maybe there's another format in which you can read them.   It was uh, yeah, I love this movie Thumbs up go watch Jurassic Park Yeah Don't watch the rest You're right. No, you really don't need to be doing that and Yeah, so, uh, thank you, of course to Robert Meyer Burnett for joining us for um, bass chunk of the stream Um, you may see him on like I said open bar and real bbc I don't know if he's been on real bbc before but Um, he's he's he's around on the inside if you want to find out his stuff the channel link is in the description And he's um, he's been on a couple of open bars at least um always nice to have new blood and uh Yeah, appreciate his time and Appreciate all of you guys hanging out with us. Thanks for the comments the back and forth the insight and for the kind donations But for now, we shall say good night and goodbye Little pip. Why boy boy? Bye everybody