, costed by Coon Riddle. Coon Riddle has come through with a couple of plans of how we could proceed to handle it in a the most cost effective manager from a firm that manages projects all of the time. That's what they do as a business. So I think that we have the plan B. I think that what scares me about this whole discussion is that the reason I was so enthusiastic about the result that came out of the finance committee meeting was that the library trustees had put forth a vision of what we could accomplish. If we all work together and we did the work of fundraising, we did the work of a thoughtful continuation of the design process. We looked at how we could make value engineering decisions in the design process and how we can work with the legislature and both federal and state to get more support. And all of those things were going to be able to come together at the end of the process that was envisioned as a single piece of time and we'd be able to make a decision. It's scary because the decision at that time might be we can't afford to go through with it. But on the other hand, the optimistic side is it will be possible to go through with this and I'd like to believe that the second is possible and is in fact more than just a pipe dream that there's a real possibility and of it happening. So I guess that my concern about the motion that's on the table to substitute is going to create a process that is so long and so delayed that we can't possibly succeed and will be forced to go to that plan B, which isn't the plan we want. It's the plan we have as a backup if the real plan, the plan the voters supported fails. So my comment at this point is as a counselor, I do not support the substitute motion and the reason I don't support the substitute motion and support the original one is because I believe in order for us to truly have a grasp on what the possibilities are between now and next summer fall. First of all, we need to get through the supplemental cycle with the legislature. There's at least one of those. It's active right now. Second of all, we need to get through the federal budget, which doesn't conclude if we're lucky. It concludes at the end of September unless we go into continuing resolution because there's money that Jim McGovern has been working on. Congressman McGovern that in addition to that a six month or seven month fundraising period with a hatchet hanging over your head doesn't do anything for fundraising. I've done fundraising in this town as have several other people on this committee. It doesn't help. What we really need is to get behind the fundraising. We need to wait to see if we are successful with the legislature and the state government and the various other pieces as well. So the timing of trying to make this as an incremental decision every time there's a new estimate is bad policy. And it's going to do nothing more than add increased costs and furthermore erode any trust. M.B.L.C. has in us at this point and erode the trust of our population. Michelle, I do want to say we have a motion on the table. We now have a substitute motion on the table. We have to vote on the substitute motion. If the substitute motion fails, we go back to the original motion. If the substitute motion passes, then we do not go back to the original motion point of order. Yes, it's not a substitute motion. It's a motion to amend motion to amend. Thank you. So if the motion to amend fails, the original motion is on the table. If the emotion amend passes, you still have to revoke again on the motion. Thank you. Okay. Thanks, Mindy Joe. The other thing that I also want to mention and I appreciate Dorothy's comments this. The goal was to give the town manager who we pay full time to negotiate all kinds of contracts. That's part of his job. It's part of the Charter's description of what he does. And he needs to be the person that we trust to go forward to negotiate an agreement with the library trustees. When we start putting in details about who's going to pay what to whom and when they're going to do it. That means we don't trust him to, in fact, negotiated an agreement. And yet he signs many contracts all the time. Michelle. I'm wondering if Pam may be satisfied with an alternate plan for having sort of getting the security that you're looking for. So for example, would some internal like council work like having this on the agenda once a month to sorry, Lynn, hold on, just bear with me a second. But just having some other checkpoints within the council that don't slow the process of the trustees and the work, but that give us an opportunity to check in or is there any, maybe that's not the right solution, but is there another solution that would get you more to where you would like to be and allow you to confidently vote to move forward with the original motion and maybe there's not, but I'm just posing it as a question. And I'm just going to say right now, the moment you put something on the agenda once a month, everybody thinks you're going to have action. And it means that it's micromanaging and I'm just going to say to Kathy to Alicia who are very central to our school committee. Is this the way you want us to do the school building once a month? We have to discuss the costs. Well, I'm not suggesting once a month that we suggest the costs. I'm just simply suggesting is there something else that might help Pam to feel more confident that we're going to be evaluating this, not waiting for a whole year. You know, I just want to say there is a building committee and there are trustees. I mean, that's that Pam, maybe you have some comment you'd like to say to that, but there's two other committees that are watching this thing as part of their regular assignments. Pam, I'm just going to go out of order for the moment. I think I think I'm just ready to proceed and have people, you know, respond to this. I think it was an attempt to work with the trustee's motion and to simply give the town manager a little more. I'm not backbone, but just a reason to ask for some additional information and to be a little more forthcoming with what the option might be should the cost still be so extraordinarily out of whack in seven months time. So it was not meant as a crippled or a shackle or anything to slow the town manager down. It was simply to give him more rational to proceed. Are you calling the question? Let's call the question. Okay. The question's been called. Let's just do it. Questions been called. That does not require a second. You know, need to bring it to an immediate vote. I'm sorry. Yes, it does. Is there a second for calling the question? The answer was second. Thank you. And now we need to vote on whether or not we're going to call the question in the words and debate. Okay. It requires nine votes to end debate. Thank you. All right. If you vote yes, you're saying and debate. If you vote no, you're saying you want to continue debate. I begin with Lynn Griezmer and I am a yes to call the question. Mandy Joe. Yes. Anika Lopes. Yes. Michelle Miller. Aye. Dorothy Pam. Yes. Pam Rooney. Yes. Kathy Shane. Yes. Andy Steinberg. Yes. Jennifer Tob. Yes. Alicia Walker. Yes. Shelley Balmille. Yes. Pat DeAngeles. Aye. Anna Devlin-Gotham. Aye. Okay. We move immediately to the. Motion to amend. The motion to amend. Would you please put the motion to amend up on the screen? Okay. So this time if you vote yes, you are voting for this motion to amend. If you vote no, you are not supporting this motion to amend. Okay. We begin with Mandy Joe. No. Anika Lopes. No. Michelle Miller. No. Dorothy Pam. Yes. Pam Rooney. No. Kathy Shane. I meant yes. I'm sorry. Pam Rooney, you said what? I meant yes. I do support my amendment. I was wasn't going to question you. Kathy Shane. Abstain. Andy Steinberg. No. Jennifer Todd. Yes. Alicia Walker. Yes. Shalini Bowmilne. No. Pat DeAngeles. No. Anna Devlin-Goth here. No. Lynn Griezmer is a no. I have eight. Eight against. Four in favor and one abstention. Now we go back to the original motion. So please take this motion down. And the original motion is to authorize the town manager to enter into a memorandum of understanding between the town of Amherst and the Jones Library Incorporated acting by and for its board of trustees within a dendym slash amendment that includes a bridging agreement for the time period prior to moving to construction. Their motion has been made and seconded. Are there any other comments at this time? Then let's move to the vote. I'm going to start with Anika Lokes. Yes. Michelle Miller. Yes. I. Dorothy Pam. No. Pam Rooney. No. Kathy Shane. No. Andy Steinberg. Yes. Jennifer Todd. No. Alicia Walker. No. Shawnee Balmille. Yes. Pat DeAngelis. I. Anna Devlin-Goth here. I. Lynn Griesmer is an I, Mandy Johanicki. I. It is. Eight in favor. And five. Opposed and no abstentions. So that motion carries it only needed a majority. We're going to move on. No, we're going to take a break. We're going to take a 10 minute break and return back. At 8 38. Please unmute.  Thank you.  Yeah, I know, but. When you return, please turn your video on and Athena is going to take the. Screen down so that I can see if you're back. So I'm looking for there's a Nika Pat Dorothy. Michelle. And Alicia, can you just let me know that you're back? I'm back. Yes, I am. Thank you, Lynn. Great. Thanks, Alicia. Michelle. Okay. We're going to pick up with our action items at 8 C. I noticed there's a hand in the audience. We've already had public comment and there are no public other public comment tonight. So 8 C is acceptance of a gift of open space on Beast of Terrace and I'm going to turn over to assistant town manager Dave Zomac, who is here tonight as the acting town manager. Thank you get to make all the big decisions tonight. Thank you, Lynn. I'll try to be brief. I trust that everyone saw my memo in the packet. This is a yeah, this is a nice little project. It's it's been around a long time in short. This was an effort that we worked with a local developer Paul Cole on hold on one second before my computer dies here. And the result of the project was that we are getting a gift of land 5.39 acres and in the process through the planning board site plan review cluster development process. Mr. Cole developed seven new houses right off of 116 in this new development called Vista Terrace. The project for us really allows for a new access point to town conservation land, but also to the Mount Hoyok range. Mr. Cole as part of the development actually put in a small parking area there, which we will activate as soon as we permit a trail up to the trails that lead up to the Mount Hoyok range State Park. So I think I'll stop there. Take any questions from the council. Questions maybe Joe. So one comment and one question, the deed that we were was included in that just had a misspelling. It said podway instead of roadway right after sort of halfway down. Thank you very much. But my question was the deed right now as presented has an easement over the road only for those conservation access purposes, which means it foresees the road staying a private way. And so my question is, is there an intention by the developer at some point to ask that that road become a public way? And if so, when might that happen? My understanding is that there isn't an intention from the developer to have it become a public way. And hence we develop the easement agreement simply for the public to pass and we pass up to that point of the new parking area. Okay. So I have a question. What are we giving up in taxes? We are not giving up anything in taxes because that land could not be developed as part of the cluster that was required of the cluster development. What often happens in these clusters is the land remains as subdivision open space and is part of an HOA. In this case, we saw a strategic opportunity to add parking for the Mount Hoyok range and for town conservation land, which is in high demand. As many of you know, when you go up on the Mount Hoyok range to the state park parking up on 116 before you go over the notch, it's often very crowded. We did build a new parking area off of Bay Road for the Sweet Alice conservation area, which is also extensively used. This will be a much smaller parking lot. It's probably only fold six, seven cars, but anything we can do to increase access there is a plus. Okay. Thank you.  Just a quick question. How close is the parking spaces to the private houses? I don't know off the top of my head how many feet they are from them, but you can see in the maps that I included that the parcel is fairly large. It's about, as I said, 5.39 acres. I've met with the residents of Vista Terrace and they're very much in favor of this happening. In fact, they don't have official access to the trails off of the Mount Hoyok range. This will provide a brand new trail once it's permitted. So I've had two meetings and then some informal meetings out there with the residents and they're very much in favor of the project. Thank you. Thank you. Are there other questions? I'm going to place the motion on the table and look for a second to approve the Conservation Commission's acceptance of a deed from Apple Brook West LLC to property located on Vista Terrace for open space and passive recreation purposes pursuant to the provisions of general laws chapter 40. Section 8c. Second. Is there any other question or comment? Seeing none, we're going to move to a vote. Michelle Miller. Hi. Dorothy Pam. Yes. Pam Rooney. Yes. Kathy Shane. Yes. Andy Steinberg. Yes. Jennifer Taub. Yes. Alicia Walker. Alicia. I'll come back for Alicia. Shalini Balmille. Yes. Pat DeAngelis. Hi. Alana Devlin-Gothier. Hi. Lynn Griesperson. Hi. Mandy Johanicki. Hi. Anneka Lopes. Hi. Alicia, can you hear me? All right. The vote at this point is 12 in favor. No, zero, no abstentions and one kind of missing inaction. She'll be marked absent for the vote. I'm sorry. She'll be marked absent for the vote. Okay. Thank you. All right. We're moving on to the next one. This is a first reading. It's a general bylaw with regard to street numbering and I'm going to call on Michelle for GOL. Sure. Thanks. I just wanted to pull up my report. So yes, this is a bylaw that was very short and non-specific. It was also limited to houses only. So we felt that we wanted to add some more specific criteria and also broaden the bylaw to include all buildings. We drafted some language and we consulted with the fire chief who supported the language and then we brought it back to GOL and voted unanimously to adopt the new language. Let me note this is a first reading. So there is no motion on the floor. Is there a question? Dorothy Dorothy. You need to log you were reading this. I began to think about people who say that they can't they can't get the mail delivered because the numbers are weird. I was thinking about our accessory dwellings. Do they get separate numbers because many of them might be in the back. I just think it might be an interesting. I think it's important with all the package delivering that we have that maybe if we do have an accessory dwelling in the back that there be a sign which gives the number and points to them or whatever. Just just Michelle are you aware of the. Yeah, we did speak about this. I have an accessory dwelling and it is numbered and it's numbered a to my house is a the accessory dwelling is B but that is interesting to think about in terms of I also have a long driveway for example and I have a sign down by a tree for 374 a but not B so it takes the delivery people a little time to figure that out but I think when we were we're drafting the language and thinking about this we were considering that all buildings whether it's an accessory dwelling a single family home and apartment building a commercial building all of them are going to need to meet these requirements other members of GOL agree with that. Or want to add to that. Okay. Anika and Pat and they go in thumbs up patch shoker head Mandy Joe you want to weigh in. Okay, are there any other questions? All right, this will come back on October 3rd for the second reading and the motion and vote. We're then going on to the proposed amendments to council committee charges and Michelle I'm going to look for you again. Sure. So in the beginning of our term as a GOL we agreed that we wanted to to create an equity lens review process to make as a recommendation to the town council and we consulted with the DI director and assistant director and upon that consultation realized that they were also working on something similar and they were also developing a strategic plan. So we wanted to sort of work out a work plan with them but that also honored and gave time for them to work through their process. In the meantime, I wanted to make a change to the GOL charge that would somehow bring awareness to equity as we were reviewing the various measures that come through the committee and so we put our heads together and Councillor Hennike suggested that we consider adding some language to the end of the purpose statement for each of the town committees, the council committees not all of the town committees and then we pulled from our vision statements and also from our structural racism resolution to draft that language and then we unanimously adopted the language to be included for each as I said of the council committees at the end of the purpose. But then I'm going to make the motion. It's to amend the purpose statement of the community resources, finance, governance organization, legislation and legislation and town services and outreach committees charges by adding to the end of them the phrase in quotes giving attention to meeting the council statements of values, particularly those of diversity, equity and inclusion, environmental sustainability and fiscal responsibility as well as ensuring that measures foster an unbiased and inclusive environment that is free of discrimination, harassment and negative stereotyping toward any person or group. Is there a second to the motion? Second. Okay. Are there any other comments or questions? Shalini. Yes, thank you for bringing this forward. I really appreciate this. It's something that we were already doing in CRC. We're bringing these three lenses, but I like that it's being formalized and one question I had was I think these three lenses we've definitely been bringing, but sometimes I'm just thinking of the other values and even if you speak to this, how are we operationalizing them or how are we making sure in some sense these three lenses are more concrete to me and we are already incorporating, but I sometimes struggle with the other values that we've stated are important to us, but then we are sometimes showing up in ways that may be contradicting. So I'm just wondering how can we in our council in our committee meetings and we even console meetings bring them up like actually use them, especially when we're at crossroads or how do we actually use them as an inner compass for the council. And yeah, it doesn't have to be answered if it's not readily available, but I just wanted to put that that's a question I've been contemplating. Are there any other comments? Seeing none. We're going to move to a vote. I believe we are for Dorothy Pam. Yes. Pam Rooney. Yes. Kathy Shane. Yes. Andy Steinberg. Yes. Jennifer Todd. Yes. Alicia Walker. Yes. Shalini Balmillan. Yes. Pat DeAngelis. Aye. Anna Devlin-Gothier. Aye. Lynn Grishmers and I. Mandy Johanicki. Aye. Anika Lopes. Aye. And Michelle Miller. Aye. It's unanimous. We dealt with appointments through the consent agenda and I just I'm going to call on people for committee and liaison reports, but want to note that we just did these last week as well. So Mandy Johan. We didn't have a meeting so nothing to report. Okay. Kathy, elementary school building. I am at the our next meeting I plan on doing a longer written report, but we are starting to really look at designs of the building form. And we had an in-person meeting of a subcommittee where the designers came out and they did actually we could 3D and circulate them. So what I have to find out is whether we can post that because they're doing it and we have some extremely exciting choices. So the other thing is I don't know whether I mentioned that the ever source has put up much higher incentives for bringing in ground source heat pumps. And the result of that is it will lower the cost of the building by about 1.2 million dollars. And these are actually at the construction site and there are incentives in the new federal act. What we're not quite sure of is when those will be available and what the regs will be, but if we if they look like what they are is we could get as much of a third of as a third of the cost of the solar panels with direct reimbursement to the town. So this is stuff for the future, but right now we are moving forward, hopefully to be on the agenda that Lynn has shown that the town would the council will be start discussing what we're coming up with in December. Okay. Um, finance committee Andy. We are kind of in a planning phase right now. So we don't have another meeting immediately scheduled. I have been working with our finance director to study that long list of things that has been referred to us and as part of our normal course of business then sorted out and then we want to get it to the committee and schedule a committee meeting sort of to some group thinking on how to proceed. We're also waiting for a couple of other committees to give us direction because there were a couple of referrals that were contingent that were to follow action and other committees. Okay, thank you. G.O.L. Michelle. I think we've reported basically on everything. Jones library and Nica anything else to be said tonight? Well, I think that we, you know, we're up to date with all things Jones as well. But I would I would encourage those two, you know, as someone who serves on the Jones library building committee, which is a group of people who have different opinions about multiple things to really, you know, check in with those meetings. If not, there is a thorough comprehensive newsletter that comes out weekly that could keep people up to date. And I also just wanted to share just briefly that I know that this, you know, this vote was difficult for many and many of us are not certain. But, you know, in observation that I had made, I came back to the area shortly before coming to Town Council and coming on to Town Council rather and being involved with community. And I was introduced to a lot of people based on were they for against the library? Did they speak to each other or not? And wild assumptions made about people based on their stances as if there is no substance beyond that. And so I hope that we as a council continue to really, you know, work together to support, understand each other and as well have that influence on to the community. Should I go into TSO? One moment. I'm going to go to TSO. But first of all, I again, I want to thank Dorothy for her services chair of TSO for the last eight months and she remains on TSO as she was very quick to remind people that her District 3 meeting the other day, which I was able to attend for part of it with Jennifer and Dorothy and Andy was there. But I also want to congratulate Anika who is now chair of TSO and thank Shelleney for her service as vice chair. And she has chosen not to continue as vice chair, but remains on the committee be very clear and Anna is now the vice chair of that committee. So with that Anika report about TSO. Okay. Well, the bulk of the meeting did revolve around setting up the schedule and hearings. We did finally update our schedule and scheduled hearings for the parking for both Hope church and Lincoln Avenue and those are scheduled for October 13th. We also the remainder we had quite a thorough presentation on water regulations, which were voted unanimously on to be referred to the council and GLL that both Anna and super intendant DPW super intendant Amy gave quite a thorough presentation. That was really the bulk of it and we're you know, excited to move forward. Great. Thank you. Any liaison reports?  Yes, it's at the same district 3 meeting. I think we discovered that there may have been a misunderstanding about the wording for the hearing. I want to know if that has been resolved. Because the TSO had voted to adopt the wording of the TAC proposal, which included sunset in Elm. So have we had time to include those streets on the ball? Yes, I've communicated with Athena and she is in the process of making sure we know what the TSO, the committee that advised you to include Elm and sunset. And so Athena, do you see any reason why we can't post the hearing for all three streets? TSO voted to hold the hearing on all the streets in the TAC recommendation. So that's what I'm planning on noticing. Okay, so it's been resolved. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, Ana. It's just a quick one. I wanted to commend the members of ECAC for being out and visible at the downtown block party. They did a great job doing some engagement work around what folks would like to see in terms of climate action work in our community. And so it was really exciting to first off meet some of them in person for the first time, but also to get to see them doing their thing. So, kudos to them. Any other liaison reports? It's hardly a time to have meetings. All right, we improved the minutes. There is no new town managers report. David, is there anything you'd like to say is the acting town manager? I thought if you don't mind, Lynn, I might do a couple of quick updates on projects that are in my purview. Please do so. Sure. And I'm sure Paul, when he gets back from ICMA, we'll have many more updates, but just moving around town very quickly, I'm sure council members in the public have visited the dog park. It seems to be going extremely well. Every time I go by there, it is active. We have a very enthusiastic friends group beginning there. They are taking taking the lead with working with Alan Snow and the DPW to really take over a lot of the maintenance of the park as well. They'll be mowing lawns. They'll be weed whacking, mulching, et cetera, and they'll also be raising more funds for the park. So that's exciting. I so I hope some of the council members and and public will join us tomorrow at 4 p.m. at the Fort River Farm Conservation Area. We have a ribbon cutting for the new community gardens there. We also are going to be celebrating the completion of the fairingbrook restoration project, which is on the same site. I know Lynn will be there and I hope that some of the council members will be there. We'll have a short informal program and then tours of the restoration project as well as the community gardens. Members of the garden committee, the garden circle committee will be there as well as healthy Hampshire representatives from DEP EPA and the state will be there as well. So that should be fun and should all be wrapped up in an hour. We're going to try to do it whether whether regardless of whether I hope if even if it's sprinkling, we'll probably do it. Let's see on on October 15th at 10 a.m. We are going to be rededicating the Emily Dickinson Trail. We've been working with a group the Fort River Watershed Committee or Association that got a grant or work on the on the Emily Dickinson. This is the trail that begins at Groff Park and ends at the rail trail near Southeast Street. And so on October 15th at 10 a.m. Again, we'll have a short program and then tours of that new kiosks and QR codes along the trail. And then I'm working with our new sustainability director as Paul announced to you. I think a week or so ago, Stephanie Ciccarello on the ribbon cutting for the solar project at the landfill. We are very close to ready to go. We're working with ever source and our vendor on on the final details on that project. So we're hoping to get that ribbon cutting in before the snow flies. And then finally, Hickory Ridge, we put in some additional grant proposals for Hickory Ridge. We are planning to bring the comprehensive plan that I promised to the council in January, which will include opportunities, possibilities for reuse of the area that includes the clubhouse and the main parking area on Pomeroy Lane. It'll include restoration areas, trail programs, things of that sort. The solar on Hickory has been somewhat delayed. I'm not sure if you followed that through the ZBA and conservation commission project, but due to global changes in market availability of solar panels and the elements that make up solar panels, there is some delay on that front. So we're not sure if they're going to get started. Their hope is to do some of the pre construction and construction this fall and actually install the solar in the spring of 23. But regardless, our project continues. And then I think in the coming days, we do have a number of grants out out there applications in the works. I know we've gotten some positive word on at least one of those, but I can't quite share all the details yet, but we'll have some exciting news in the days to come on on some grants. I'm sure so either Paul or I will announce those to you when he returns on later this week. So lots of things happening, trying to get things wrapped up in town before the snow flies. Any questions? Thanks, David. Do you have a competition going with other departments to see who gets the most grants? I probably shouldn't answer that. Yeah. Yeah, right. Do you have a, I would say we've always had a healthy competition with Northampton. We like, you know, there's a little given date there. They're very successful. We'd like to think we are successful as well. So it's all good for Hampshire County.  I just wanted to stay in terms of burnishing Amherst image. The dog park is a success. I do not have a dog, but I went to HCC and the administrative person that basically runs most of the humanities departments said Amherst, Amherst. Oh my goodness. You have such a wonderful dog park and you know, so far and wide people know and they love it. And I'm very excited to hear about the friends group taking on responsibility for maintaining it to a level that they would really like. So thank you. Thanks, Anna. I just don't have unfettered access to a microphone like I normally do when I'm in the room. So I was just going to say if we could give gold star stickers or something out for departments who get the most grants, I'm happy to incentivize this little competition. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, we are on terms of town council comments under president's report. I sent you an email earlier today to tell you that I'm sorry, Pat, your hand is up. I can wait for. No, no, please go ahead. Okay. Thank you. I have a thank you a public. Thank you that I want to make. I wish I had made it last Monday, but I was still recovering in many ways from what was happening. Two Saturdays ago, a young friend of mine, a fairly vulnerable person showed up at my home quite late. And Carol and I brought him in and it became clear. I'll try to do a short version of the story became clear that he was delusional. And it was clear that we needed help and talking with him, he agreed to let me call dispatch to see if I could get Cress responders to come to the house. So with his permission, I called Cress, I called dispatch and it was late enough that Cress was not on duty yet because they don't have night shifts yet. The dispatcher was very thoughtful and he asked me to recontact him at some point. So he would know that things were okay. I then went back to my friend and started talking to him about bringing him to the hospital or finding or finding a place to stay. I did not want him to stay in my home. And all of a sudden there was a knock on the door and I went to the door and it was the police. I went back in and I told my friend that the police were there, but that I was going to talk with them on the on the porch. Two officers came and they were very thoughtful, very kind, dispatch had said something about possibly sending an ambulance and the officers said that the ambulance couldn't come out without them checking the situation. And how could they help? Did I want them to help? I went back in and talked to my friend and he said that the officers could come in, but he was also curled up on the kitchen floor crying because he's afraid of the police. But he said yes. So I opened the door. One of the officers came in and she did a beautiful job of coming in where he could see her, but where she was not in the same room with him. She was very thoughtful and how she engaged with him. And I'll roll the story along. My friend would not go with the police to the hospital and I asked the police to leave, which they did quite quietly and respectfully. And then I went back in and we were able, Carol and I to eventually get our friend to a hotel and for a few nights. And the thank you goes to the two officers who came into my home and dealt so carefully with this young man and apparently they knew him because of other situations that he was in with them and in town. And so they wanted to check that Carol and I were all right, but they really wanted to check whether he was all right. On that Monday, I had a meeting with the town manager and Earl Miller came in just to say hi and we started talking about this and he said, oh, I know this person. He can become violent. He's on our radar. And what really is critical and important is nobody told me that my friend could be violent. No, the police did not try to scare me. They didn't get aggressive with him in any way. They remained soft, open and relational. Earl's knowledge was helpful, but it came from his collaboration and relationship with the police department and with this young man. And so while I didn't have crests available, I had it available in terms what the police and crests had already done, the work they had already done. Some of the anger that we see at our police is not always justified. And it seems to me that we can as a community drive away this relationship between crests and police if we're not careful. If we create situations that over and over again threaten the people who make people afraid that I'm getting too long-winded. So to shorten this, I am very grateful to our police department for coming in and caring for my friend and caring for Carol and I. So I just needed to make that public. Thank you. Pat, thank you for sharing that story because I think too often we forget and don't realize the extent to which our police have been extremely well trained on any number of de-escalation tactics on dealing with all kinds of difficult problems and we have invested heavily in our police, our fire and EMS and in our crests program. And together they complement each other in making us have a safe community. And although we're just beginning to see crests emerge what we don't often stop to realize is that our police and fire and EMS have been handling these problems and these issues for us in our town. Every once in a while for those of you that went on the tour of the fire of the police station and saw the evidence room. I still have nightmares about that evidence room because it makes me realize the depth of the issues that we have in Amherst and the extent to which we can rely on our police every day to help us address those many, many issues. David, you had a comment. I just wanted to thank that for sharing that and I hope that although you shared it with the town manager, I hope that you also share it with Chief Livingstone because I'm sure that he would appreciate hearing that, you know, positive words about his staff. So thank you. I do want to go back and we'll come back to Councillor Comments on the President's report. I did send an email to you earlier today. We're on track. We have sent out the staff questionnaires. We've sent out the committee boards and commissions email and we have also placed things on engage Amherst and send out a press release regarding the town manager evaluation. Is there any questions about the town manager evaluation piece, Anna? Yeah, so thank you. As I was reading through this, I was just curious at some point if it's possible to engage TSO from that outreach end. I know that we've been doing a lot of work on specifically Shawnee's been doing a lot of work on what outreach might look like and might have some great, there might be some really great things to tap in around the town manager evaluation specifically on the outreach component. So I think sometimes the President's reports, they're always very helpful, very thorough. You're doing a lot and if there are things that are down the pike that we might be able to contribute beforehand to say, Hey, it can help on this. That might be a helpful component of the reports. If you know, things are coming down the road. Okay. Well, that brings me to the second thing. But before I go there, so I did do a makeup President's report. I didn't do one in August.  I did do one September that covered two months. Are there any questions about the President's report? Okay. Then let's move on to future agenda items, which is a way of saying what's coming up. And let me just preface this by saying I've already received comments from two counselors with regard to one or two little additions. One wasn't so small. And I'm already making those changes and we'll do an amendment, but are there other changes or things you need to add? Dorothy. I admit I they're on my desk, but I can't find them right now. So something that came up to Jennifer and me and I saw Alicia commenting on it in an email. She sent to the town. It has to do with town gown relationships with UMass. UMass set up some community meetings with students in certain neighborhoods, but didn't get together with the neighborhoods. And, you know, I would not dare go onto UMass campus and set up any kind of event or party or something without talking to them. It was kind of like we've talked about how some students seem to think that, you know, my neighborhood is part of the campus and it's not. And then if they set up a party and don't even tell us until after it's been set up, the date, the time everything, then this is not helping town gown relationships and it's encouraging students to think that that we don't, you know, live in these neighborhoods. And there are a lot of things that we have to say that we would like to, you know, input on how we can live together better. And one that we've mentioned many times before would, could there be signs at the edge of, but where campus ends and to Amherst neighborhood begins, which I understand the students really can't tell where it is. They'd say, um, welcome to our, you know, residential neighborhood or something of that nature. So they would know, but, um, you know, it's, and Alicia took offense at that. And I certainly understand her feelings because it was like, how can we do some work together when we aren't even informed when they're putting the plans together? So that's it. The, the dates for those meetings did appear in the town manager's report last week, but I don't think we emphasize them enough, but I agree. I have, we have one coming up in district two toward the end of next week. So, and it's particularly around particularly the Grantwood neighborhood. Um, Andy Joe, we're on the future agenda items. I, I sent this to you, but I wanted to put it out in the meeting too. In case anyone looks at that document, the community forum for the rental residential rental program is not going to be on the 27th. It is on the 24th of Monday that we do not have a council meeting. Um, I haven't set a start time probably seven p.m. Like the last one, but it will not be Thursday. It will be Monday, the 24th. Thank you. And you've also mentioned that we once again have to look at article 14 and do a referral of article 14 and Michelle, you sent me, uh, two items and I've added those in handwriting to my list. Andy. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. And the, um, brought up the question of the public forum on the rental, um, registration by law visions. I guess that I was not quite understanding the vision of having that before there's at least a presentation to the council about what has been the tremendous amount of work that the committee has been doing because it was a topic that I think a lot of us were interested in, but we realized that, uh, we can't have a majority of the council working on an issue even though we all care about it. And so I'm, um, like to know a little bit more of the vision. And how that is all in vision. Okay. I'm going to call on Mandy Joe, but also please note that on October 3rd, I've added under discussions, uh, rental fee schedule structure. This is where Mandy Joe had suggested that CRC TSO and finance all meet together. And if people are in agreement, I'll leave it as a item for the council to discuss on October 3rd. If not, then we have to search for a date. And then on October 17th, we do have a public dialogue that that is us. That's not us. That's the council having a dialogue in front of the public about the rental bylaw. Okay. Mandy Joe. Yeah, I think, um, Lynn fairly well answered that. So yeah, on the third, um, there's going to be a discussion at the council meeting on three discrete topics, um, that CRC has needed help with and, and was told to seek input on, at least one of them, the fee structure, um, before proposing a fee structure from TSO and finance. Um, but there have been some other questions that we've wanted specific, um, input from other committees on and because those committees in between CRC and those committees include at least a majority of the council. It's better to just do it at council. It's just easier, um, because you can't have two committees meeting together without calling a committee of the whole. And then on the 17th is a council dialogue, a council discussion specifically on the rest of the proposed bylaw, um, that bylaw will be out there. There's drafts throughout CRC meetings, but, um, the one that will be discussed will probably be released after the 29th, when CRC has its next meeting, um, and that will be for the council to discuss all of the other aspects of the bylaw and give input in that. And then the week after is when the public can discuss that draft of the bylaw, um, and give input in that, and then it will go back to CRC for sort of final discussions on those sections as well as, um, discussions on proposed regulations that go along with the bylaw and all of that. Um, I hope to have a set of regulations drafted, even if it has not been discussed at CRC so that people can see the potential direction of potential regulations as it would potentially look, um, there will be a memo that accompanies both of those items for the council. So it won't just be me spouting off about what we need help with. I'm going to actually write memos for October 3rd and 17th to help guide those discussions. Andy, does an answer part of your question? Yes, it does. I, uh, want to thank, uh, both of you, uh, just putting down October 27th CRC public meeting on rental bylaws. It's kind of an incomplete explanation. So I appreciate the more complete explanation. And it's October 24th. I realize that it's changed, but I'm looking at what was in the packet. A little typo there. Uh, are there any other comments or questions about future agenda items? Are there any other councilor comments? Michelle. Just a reminder that Kathy and I are having a district one meeting on Sunday, um, from three to four 30 and it will be at the Pioneer Valley co-housing, which is at 120 pulpit Hill road. We hope everybody will join us and we want to invite, uh, our counselors at large. If you are able to join us, that would be wonderful. Thanks. Okay. Thank you, Kathy. I just adding to what Michelle said, this will be in person and because it's in person and not in the town room, we don't have any ability for a dual zoom meeting. So this one would, um, is the first, I think we've had, that's an in person district one meeting, um, and because people want to get together. Yeah. District three had an in person, uh, meeting as well recently in person only and no zoom. So any other comments or questions from counselors? Again, Pat, thank you for sharing your very, very heartfelt story and for your assistance as well. And yours and Carol's, um, in that whole situation. Uh, there are no other items and we are finished. So the meeting is adjourned and it's 925. Thank you. Bye.


Dear Adolf, a letter to Hitler. The National Broadcasting Company in cooperation with the Council for Democracy presents Dear Adolf, a series of six narrative letters written each week by Stephen Vincent Benet, one of the nation's greatest writers. These broadcasts are based upon actual letters written to Hitler by Americans. Today's program, the second of the series, presents Melvin Douglas, distinguished actor of screen and radio relating the views of an American businessman as he addresses a letter to Hitler. Yes, that's the afternoon mail, Miss Smith, all signed. Yes, I talked to Major Lempert, went to meet him at the plant. Any other calls? Mrs. Benson did? Well, I can't get back for dinner. The Major and I will pick up something somewhere, you don't mind. Yes, Mr. Benson, I had lunch. You can tell Mrs. Benson I had lunch. And don't look as if I never had it. That was just last week when we got the chain specifications. No, I don't know when I'll be through. I may sleep at the plant. Take a letter, please, Miss Smith. Adolf Hitler. Bette is Godden, Germany.  I've had this letter in my mind for quite a while. Ever since the boy got in the Air Force. All right, take the letter. Dear Adolf, this is me. This is me, one American businessman, J.B. Benson of Benson Inc. I run one plant in one town in a place called the USA. I'm 49 years old, free children and a dog. Been in the manufacturing business ever since I got out of the last war. Believe in it, too. I'm a church member and a Rotarian, the Lodge member. In politics, I usually vote the straight ticket. But once in a while, I'll split it for a good man. Sometimes Mrs. Benson says that's stubborn of me. Sometimes she says I'm broad-minded. It all depends, I say. I'm Vice President of the Chamber of Commerce in my town. I help run the community chest. And there are thousands like me all over this country. Just the plain, ordinary businessmen who sit at table 24 at the convention dinners and are out on the end of the row when they take the group photograph. That's why I'm taking time off to say, we're all against you, Adolf. The businessmen, the manufacturers, the industrialists, the men who designed and put together the whole big plant of America. We're moving against you. We're against you, and we're out to lick you.  It's a big job, and we know that. We're used to big jobs in this country. We make everything from electric tosters to suspension bridges. We make gadgets and do-funnies and jiggers and things that last. We're crazy about three-ton presses and automatic lighters. About cash registers that ring bells at you and cranes that pick up tons of steel. We're crazy about feeding stuff in at one end of an assembly line and having a car drive out on its own power at the other. We're crazy about jigs and dies and tools that make tools. And that's why this war is up our alley, Adolf, because it's mechanized war. You said it yourself. You started fooling around with the tools of death. Well, we're tool makers by trade. We've delivered a few samples already. Ask your friend, the son of Kevin in Tokyo. But the real mass production's just starting on the way. It's in the plants and all the freight cars and trucks. It's crossing the oceans in convoy. It's pouring from thousands of factories all over America. The soldiers we send to fight you are going to be as well-equipped as American skill can manage. There are type founders making tank guns, locomotive works, making barbedets, tire companies, making leak-proof gas tanks. It's boiling in the converters and humming over the power lines. It's being stamped out and welded and machined and finished and marked with your address. There are plants a mile long that do nothing night and day but work at it. There are little shops that do nothing night and day but work at it. There's a fellow who used to make musical cigarette boxes. He's making airplane parts. There's a fellow that used to make children slippers. He's making canvas saddlebags for the army. There's General Motors and Ford, Alice Chalmers and Bethlehem Steel, Gary and Hartford, Pittsburgh and Young Sound, the River Rouge and Willow Run. And there are hundreds of plants you never even heard of. They're pouring it out and heat treating it and shooting it right at you. Well, there's just one reason why our resources will beat the axis. But if we don't hammer these resources into tools and planes and tanks in time, we might just as well be buried with these unused resources. No, that wasn't our government, Adolf. That was a manufacturer in Louisville, Kentucky. Want to hear another? Well, this is the most respected man in my town talking to our chamber of commerce. Gentlemen, war business is not good business. It's hard to get and it's harder to get a profit on it. It's as full of troubles as Pandora's box, but I'm taking all I can get. Because if American business does not make a success at this job, it will never get the chance to fail at another. That's one of my own men talking horse sense. We've heard what you did to your businessmen, and the only business that's running in Germany today is your gang's business, Adolf. Well, that isn't the way we want it here. Sure, some of us thought for a while that we could do business with you, even if you conquered all Europe, but we don't think that anymore. You can't do business with a man who doesn't know the meaning of a contract. You can't do business with a company who takes your goods in on a cash basis and then pays off in bum harmonicas. You can't do business with people whose whole idea of business is tails I win, heads you lose. We call those people chislers in this country, Adolf. And when they get to be too much of a nuisance, we put them out of business. And that's just what we mean to do to you. You and your friends, the Japanese warlords, because you are international chislers, and there can't be any real business done until you're stopped. Sure, we kick about a lot of things here. We kick about taxes and we kick about red tape. We kick about rules and regulations. We kick about government interference. We kick about questionnaires and we kick about the new deal. We can kick. We're free men. Your fellows can't kick. They'd be shot. It's curious, Adolf. Not one American businessman has yet been shocked by our government because he didn't agree with our government's policies. That must be curious to you, but we need to keep it that way. And as for our business objective, here's what one plant manager says. After an 80% excess profit tax and higher inventories, there won't be much gravy left for the stockholders. But that old whistle out there will still be calling men to work after this war is over. And that's more than some of Schicklgruber's whistles are doing right now. That's our objective, Adolf. Now I'm not painting a rosy picture. Things are tough. They're going to be tougher. Industries that can't convert will suffer badly. Many businesses will suffer badly. We'll all be regulated as we've never been regulated before. Some chislers may make undue profits and we'll all see many changes. But we built the big plant and we mean to keep it working for the USA, not for you, to work and to plan and to do something, to try new things and get them done, to get the cost down and the volume up so the ordinary man can have things that only the few could enjoy a little while ago, to make some kind of a profit out of brains and skill and management, and to get the world's business straightened out so that people like you won't keep coming it up. That's our hope and what it is. Nowadays, we don't even try to put that hope into words. We just keep on driving because always at the back of our minds we hear if we don't hammer these resources into tools and planes and tanks in time, we might just as well be buried with our unused resources. If American business does not make a success at this job, it will never get the chance to fail at another. That's what the clock keeps ticking, Adolf. Yes, there are those who try to divide and disunite us, set class against class, creed against creed, race against race, management against labor, business against government. But that's your game, Adolf, and we're getting on pretty fast to the very few in this country who like to play your game. A lot of us businessmen may not die in battle. We'll die of coronary and brights and the overworked diseases, maybe a few years earlier than if you'd never been born. Well, that's all right. You send a plane over tomorrow and lay a bomb on this plant and bury me under it. Well, it was J.B. Benson's plan, and he lived and died J.B. Benson, a free American. He wasn't Henry Ford, but he did all right in his line. He kicked at his government and he never broke 90 on the golf course. They liked him pretty well in his town and he paid his bills on the first. And when he figured he owed the United States a debt for value received, he paid it. He paid it by scratching around and getting things done that couldn't be done in less time than the worst to do them. And if there's a balance due, there probably is. His son and his partners and his company will take over the rest of the debt and see it's paid in full. They won't slacken and they won't tire. They won't rest and they won't fight about objectives. They'll keep the wheels humming and the draft boards busy and the plant turning out the stuff till the iron jawed axis boys who thought J.B. Benson was a sucker and a softy yell uncle. But J.B. Benson worked for money and he made plenty of mistakes. When the pinch came, the schoolbook says he would not bow to tyrants. He got up on his hind feet instead and said, let's go. He was a past grandmaster in the assorted princes of the desert. He wore plus fours when they were fashionable.  He was proud of his children and his electric razor. He liked to broil stakes on a special outdoor grill. And he made a special sauce for them that gave Mrs. Benson the willies. He'd tell you the drop of the hat about the speech he made at the convention.  And that's all you need to know about J.B. Benson. Except that living or dead, he doesn't intend to be licked. Yes, yes, use the company letterhead. Huh? Copy to Mussolini? No, no, I don't think we need to waste the paper. But send one to Hirohito and mark them both special delivery by Bomber. I better get over the plan. You have just heard Dear Adults starring Melvin Douglas, the second of a series of six narrative letters written each week by Stephen Vincent Benet and presented by the National Broadcasting Company in cooperation with the Council for Democracy. The program was directed by Lesbrough Keefe with original music composed by Tom Bennett and conducted by Joseph Stoeck. These broadcasts are based upon actual letters written to Hitler by Americans. Won't you send in your own letter to Dear Adults? Listen next week to an American working man's letter to Hitler with James Cagney as narrator. Copies of today's Dear Adults letter from a businessman may be secured without cost by writing directly to the Council for Democracy 11 West 42nd Street, New York City. This program came to you from New York. This is the National Broadcasting Company.


These are the three sweet 16 matchups that I am most excited for. Number one has to be Gonzaga and UCLA, the two best schools on the West Coast playing in Vegas. And it's a rematch of the 2021 Final Four Thriller that gave us the Jalen Suggs buzzer beater. Number two is Houston versus Miami. Houston is a top tier team in elite defense with awesome guards. And while Miami also has a great backcourt with Nigel Pack and Isaiah Wong, they play an opposite style.  A lot of guard play both ways, but two polarizing styles to play could be a classic. And number three, I go with Arkansas and Yukon. Yukon has looked unbelievable like they might win the national title. And Arkansas is looking like maybe the team we expected in preseason. Their talent got them past Kansas and if all their guards are on, they could take down Yukon.


Hello, I'm Lt. Goldassen from IT Political Association of Denmark. We are actually 20 people today until Tuesday here in Brussels to come here and especially to work on some members of the parliament. I'm going to talk about Polybics, the privacy CD, which I have one here too. And my purpose of course here is to make you all really interested, so you all come and join us or help us. You can help us make Polybics, or it's just as good if you just want to work on the technologies I'm talking about. I'm going to do that by appealing to technical challenges, your love for open source, and your responsibilities as human beings. You all know the political background on September 15, 2007. In Denmark we actually started all this data retention and logging. I know other places in Europe you're late, but Denmark is kind of a test bed, so we have some experiences already. You know how it goes. We log phones, every TCP connection, or every 500 packets on huge tapes in the basements of internet providers, phone companies, hotels, access points, net cafes, everything. So that's where a lot of logging is going on, and we don't like it, and I don't have to explain that to you. Another issue was the net filter. It started by what we call the child porn filter, blocking a lot of filters, of domains, and data for all the MP3 cases we're trying to go after. Music sites, and now we've paid just a few weeks ago, and it's not like we want to promote illegal copying or illegal activities, but we do mind when we start messing with the internet. The internet is a lot more important than, for example, popular music in our opinion, and we call it blogging and quotes, because anyone in this room, of course, could avoid it, just to use another DNS server, but it's a slippery slope, and one day we might make something that is a lot harder to circumvent. Already have that in Britain. The InfoStock Directive implementing all the bad things for the DMCA, so we are not allowed to write programs that can do our fair use copies and distribute them. And of course, this is not Denmark. In Denmark, we travel a lot, small country, and we go to the US, Syria, Cuba, a lot of countries where you might not be as sure as about who's listening into you when you're sitting on your hotel room and sending emails. And it's not only just about the police, it's also about the whole thing going on who's logging you when you're at work, if you're at school, are you checking what you're doing, and so on. So we decided to do something about it. And we think that as open source developers, we have a special responsibility, because this thing has to be fixed, and we are the one who can fix it, especially if a more technical issue of which I'll be talking about today. So we do it because it's fun, but we also do it because we feel we have to do it. So what you see here is actually a member of parliament holding the first copy of version of our politics in front of the parliament, that is the door of the parliament here. And that was mailed out in 12,000 copies by Prosa, who is a trade union in Denmark for IT professionals. And that demonstrates one of our purposes. We want to have a lot of technical interesting stuff on the CD, but we also want to get the attention of the politicians here. And once you get those two things, you do get the interest of the media, and you do get the interest of a bigger part of the population, certainly a lot bigger part than open source, free software developers. And that's what many people have been talking to us already about first, and how do you actually promote this and get some interest about it, and that's what some of this talk will be happening to be about. So I will do it in a very high-level way about the technical background, because it is a distribution, and of course we are a fashion of packages, and we have been messing with a lot of them. But that's details. The big picture is that we take a distribution, the first one we took was Nobix, and the one I have here is based on Kubuntu, and in the future we might try something else, like damn small Linux started as a special device. When we have on the Polybix.org, you will find our SVN repository, and what is inside the SVN repository is just a little of our own code, but most of it is just scripts that configures and installs and set up stuff, so we take a Kubuntu in, you know, one remake command from the remake file from our SVN, and you get an easy image that you cannot burn to a CD, and you have this, one of my projects that I think is particularly interesting is doing the USB thing, of course, we can put it on USB, and we have some scripts that is not working on the Spisa version yet.  Is that because you would like me to install Polybix on a USB stick, and when it just copies itself directly from a CD, and do the necessary installing things, and you have scripts for this working already. The interesting part here is, of course, well, it's a nice and easy way to install it, but also it's decentralized, you don't have to download Polybix from any place, and in some countries it could be a problem even downloading certain parts of free software, so in that way you can spread it very decentralized. We do, of course, have servers and mirrors where you can download Polybix, which I will mention later. A little more technical details, that's the layout, that's a standard for most live CDs. You have a normal ISO 9660 file system, where we put our text about what we are doing, we have some promotion videos against DRM, and videos explaining what we are doing, and when you have some compressed file system, C-loop and Nobix and Squash-a-Face in Kubuntu, where we put our software in. So I know you're all trying to know what it exactly is on Polybix, and, of course, what had the biggest effect so far is we have Tor on, and many in here know Tor, but it's bad for me, it's a little more than half of you, but Tor is onion-routing, so it's just a way to be anonymous by rooting for a random number of other members of the Tor network, like an overlay network. And it's very nice, you can run for a Proxy server, and there's even an extension in Firefox for it, so it has a Tor button so you can switch it on and off, because the bad thing about Tor is, of course, it does slow the net down, so it's fine for sending emails and reading text, but it's really bad for watching YouTube videos, which is fine for us, because we are interested in the more democratic aspects of it, so if you're someone who wants to, or just privacy issues, you want to send an email to your wife, you don't need a fast network for that. That's why the Tor button is nice, because you can turn it on when you really need it. We have MacChance on. MacChance is a program that just changes your MAC address, the hardware address that identifies your computer, which is important if you put a computer on another network. All of you that are sitting here is being registered in routers, at least maybe not permanently, but the router will know which computer is on, so if you have used Polybics when you were booting your computer, it will just change all your hardware addresses on every single network interface. That means if you go to an internet café and you log on with Polybics, there's no way MacChance will package back to you, even after the data retention, we can only track it back to the internet café, unless the internet café, of course, was asking for your identity. We have Twinkle on. Twinkle is a very nice zip phone, internet phone. It also uses a ZRTP protocol from Simmerman who invented the PDP, and it's just based on verifying fingerprints by spelling them out, like on the ability to actually hear what is your girlfriend and another machine. So that's pretty secure. Of course, we might still log it back to your computer, but if you use Twinkle and you're sitting on a web café and you're using MacChance to come on it, we can trace it back to you. So you have anonymity, and you also have privacy. We can't listen in and we can't track it back to you. That's two different things that confuse a lot of people, and that's another thing we're doing in Polybics products, trying to educate journalists and others about these issues. We have software like EFAIP, so you can see what's going on in your network. It's not all about privacy. We have K3B and K9 copy just to say that it is actually legal, at least in some countries, to make a copy of your DVD if it might try to stop you, but we think it's all right. So Polybics is about protecting all of our rights. Same thing with the employer. You're allowed to play in Denmark. You're allowed to play in the video in one DVD from the U.S. And Polybics does give you that option. For DNS, blocking, so-called blocking, we have different versions. Sometimes we just want to bind as a server on your live CD or we can just put in DNS servers that we know do not censor. Only as a large research resort we use DNS, but you got from your DNS DHCP server because some networks has firewalls, so that's the only option. We even have some Windows programs. The XB browser is a tool combined with Firefox. We are considering other options. VLC, so Windows user can play DVDs from all regions, and especially so we can play with our own videos that are also on the DVD. Poly and SSH, it's more for our own course. Evasor is actually a very simple program, but just Evasor disk can be a way, like Peter Goodman proved us the right way. And a lot of people are actually happy about using that. We really want to have some help with someone know about Windows because that is a good reason to get free software on Windows because Windows users, after all, deserve high-resit too. So, this all ties in with the four freedom of free software. It needs to be able to run for any purpose, so it can't be stopped. You need to study it, so you know that you didn't put any backdoors. We need to redistribute it, print or download thousands of DVDs, CDs, or you need to be able to improve it. And if it wasn't for free software, you know, it probably wouldn't exist. Someone would get a phone call saying you might make money on it, but it's probably a bad idea for you anyway. So, we managed to get a lot of influence. That's Polypix in the CD, in Autosurveillance. It says, every single day in this newspaper, blogs, all TV channels, we are meeting with politicians for minutes of justice that she didn't like it. And that's a very good way to get their attention in the media. So, we are trying a technical channelist, like putting on USB sticks, embedded system phones. We would like very much to go into network, make some open mesh network things so we could get even more decentralized. We have harder problems. How to sign keys. Email is not working well enough now. Technically, it does, but it's deep key and fundamental, but actually having a very nice system that ordinary users can use to get private email would be very nice. So, we do some outreach, that was from 15 September last year when we were having a demonstration, and that's something that got the attention of the media because it was news, it was a good day, it was good pictures because we had these nice IT police uniforms, and Polypix was already known. So, what would you have to do? And we want to thank the community. First time we made it, we have serious network problems, and as area is 1.6 gigabit, we just remember that we knew, and you know, there are 100 megabit line, I have 100 megabyte line, and just in no time we had downloaded about 40,000 images of recent Denmark for a small country, that's a lot. So, that's my main point here, that privacy and freedom are actually killer applications for free software, it's much more important than games, because people actually use it. Just that special week when we came up, we actually had more downloads of Polypix when Microsoft was able to sell Vista, and that was just after Vista came out. And that shows we just really need to show people that we do have an opportunity, we can avoid some of this thing, and of course there are things that we can avoid, like cameras, but using which we also get the attention of the politicians. You can get more here and meet me outside.