Okay. So welcome everyone. My name is Laura Adam Moniz. I am co-hosting and being the tech person for Bud. If you have any questions while he's doing his presentation, please put him in the chat. And I'll, it will have, will ask me at certain points if there's any questions and if there's something that's kind of relevant to what he's talking about at the moment. I might interrupt him at that point too. So just kind of bear with us on that aspect of it. And welcome. You found us on learn.wordpress.org or on Meetup. Continue. We're going to have some great stuff coming out for the, to continue with the 6.4 and with the new 2024 theme that's coming out also. So, here is Bud. Okay. Thank you, Laura. And hello everybody. Welcome. My name is Bud Krauss. Let me just do some housekeeping here. In other words, turn on my screen, right? Wouldn't that be a good idea? And after I get that going, let's see. We are ready. We didn't take long. You don't see my screen, do you? Laura, I do see your screen. Yeah, your PowerPoint. Oh, yes, you do. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Of course. Yeah, you're good. Let me, and I want to do one other thing. I want to get this hide the, yeah, the floating. Okay. All right. So now that didn't work. One other thing I've got to do. So bear with me. It says hide, floating. All right, that worked. Okay, so let's get started. Oh, it came back again. I don't know why I just can't get this thing. All right, that's life. So there I am. And I've got some more zoom UI that I want to get out of the way. It will get out of the way, I guess. So I'm talking to you are coming from Nutley, New Jersey at 12 miles west of New York City where it's cold and beautiful today and we're in the middle of fall. Actually, yeah, so it's pretty much peak around here. So it's really nice. My name is Joy of WP and I am an instructor. But what I really do today is create WordPress content for WordPress businesses. So I do all kinds of things like create how to videos and courses and stuff like what's new in WordPress 6.4 and on it goes. And I work with a lot of different WordPress vendors. So before we get going, let's find out who's here. In other words, not so much who's here, but what do you guys know? So we're going to take a little survey. I didn't tell you about this Laura. But everybody I want you to put in one of the following three entries that is I'm new to WordPress, or I use the black editor and I really like it or I don't use the black editor. If you don't know the black editor is also called Gutenberg. So I'll use those terms interchangeably. And I'm just curious, like, what do we have here? Who's here? So please enter that into the chat and Laura, you can do a quick little look for me to see. Now I didn't tell Laura about this. So she's, I really put her on the spot here. This is going to be a lot of twos. We have a 2.5 XD. That's cheating. There's no 2.5. All right. A couple of ones, but mostly twos. And how about any threes? Nobody's a three yet. That's interesting. Okay, good. All right. So before we get into the big picture, I do want to say that I'm a person who's visually impaired. So I may do something with my screen that looks a little weird or I don't see something as fast as you do. So just bear with me. We'll get this done. All right, as far as the big picture goes with what's new in WordPress. 6.4. I'm going to get a little trouble with something here. It's the third of three major releases this year. And the one that was before that 6.4 came out in August. This is being led by an underrepresented gender release team. And that's the second time this has happened in the history of WordPress. Hundreds of performance upgrades and site and security enhancements and accessibility improvements with keystrokes and things like that. Also, there are plenty of bug fixes. Aren't there always with any WordPress release. But one of the things we will be looking at today is the shiny new default theme. 2024. So we'll get into that a little bit now. Oh, don't worry. This is not going to be, you know, a half hour, you know, PowerPoint presentation. We're actually going to do live hands on demonstrations. All right. A few words for you developers out there. So this is 6.4 introduces the interactivity API and rather than talk about it, I'm going to show you that only two examples that I can show you right now of it in use. There's also now a new block hooks API or a block hook API. And if you know how WordPress works with its hooks, you'll understand that the stability to hook in or to insert code as a child block into a template or a template pattern. I'm sorry, a template, a template part or a pattern. I'm not going to show you an example of it. I just want you to know that's something new for developers. There's also this user block editing mode. There's actually three of these different modes. One's disabled mode. And there's a content mode and a default mode. Now these deal with how a developer can lock down a block. And there's also an improvement method to script loading, which of course means faster better performance. And finally, there's one that I really don't know much about or know the least about, which is the new admin notice functionality. I guess that's the ability to shut off all those nagging announcements that plugin developers and theme authors have in their source code. But I don't know. I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, let's focus on end users and that's pretty much what I'm going to do for most of this presentation. And by end users, I'm talking about content creators. And right now there's, so we have an enhanced command palette. Now the command palette was introduced in 6.3. And it's sort of like the, it's a text box that you can enter in different commands. I haven't used it all that much yet, but it's sort of like the spotlight search on a Mac where you just can call up this little box, put something in there, ask a question or execute a command. It's very similar to that. And if somebody wants me to show you that I will, but I don't really plan on doing that during my demonstrations. And there are no more media attachment pages, those useless media attachment pages, which just was a mess for SEO. They don't exist anymore for new installations. Now there is a way to turn them off for old installations, but you know, that's going to be one of those unless you ask me how to do it, I'm not going to do it. Okay, but you can, so instead of going to a media attachment page, I think you're just going to see the media itself without the attachment page because as I've said they were pretty useless for it. All right. Now my demonstrations what am I going to show you. All right, first, we're going to look at the, why is this in the way here so I can't get this. We're going to be looking at some of the design tool enhancements. And what else do we have here. I will show you that interactivity API in action. Some of the site editor upgrades. And my favorite the quality of life improvements what would we do without them. And they're usually in every WordPress release. And finally, as I mentioned the 2024 theme, it's the new theme. Okay, that is shipping with this. Now, we're not ready to do that. We're not going to do the summing up yet. Let's do the demonstration. So let's get out of here. And any questions so far. There shouldn't be but just in case Laura. Laura, are you there. I'm there. I'm here. All right, you know the old. Oh, no, don't tell me no one could hear me. Okay, so Peter was at. How, how do you turn off the attachment pages on the old installs. Okay, all right, I will hold that to later on okay because we'll come back to that. Well, that's a really good one but there is a way to do it. Okay, I'm still having trouble with my getting rid of something here so just give me one more second. I don't understand. Wow, this doesn't work. Okay, I'm just going to have to live with this. Just give me. All right. Okay, so WordPress 6.4 this is I think the screen that you're likely to be seeing in a couple of days now it's scheduled to come out on November 7. Right now it's in what's called release candidate three so it's almost ready. I've noticed there's some changes between RC two and RC three. There's very subtle, but right, you know, there isn't going to be major there's nothing major that's going to happen between what I'm going to show you. And the final version of 6.4. And I do want to show you this right over here in the plugins I always like to tell people show them like what I'm working with so that's it I'm just using the WordPress beta tester there's no hocus pocus I'm not using the Gutenberg plugin I shouldn't be at this point. So you know that you're just seeing what WordPress will be like in a couple of days actually. All right. First thing I want to do is show you some of the some of the design tool changes. Now, and for that I'm specifically going to focus on two things right now actually it'll be three but it's two things one is the ability to add a background image to the group block. And the other one is the ability to add a a excuse me a button into the navigation block. Now, I'm going to show you this through the black editor, but you can do this. I'm sorry through the site editor, but anywhere group block appears or a navigation button appears you can do what I'm about to show you. All right, so I'm going to take you into appearance. I'm going to take you into the editor. And actually I don't want to do it that way. Sorry, I want to do a little bit different. So let's go out to the site. And let's do it this way. I'm going to go into site editor. It's just a different way to do this. And. All right. And right over here, let's take a look at the list view. In the header, I've got the just, I don't know if I've got to the right place. Yeah. The group block. Actually, is this where I want to go? No, sorry. This is not like me. But I want to do to make life simpler. I was, I initially was going to make life simpler than I made it more complicated. And now I'm going to make it simpler again. I'm going to go into patterns. And let's just, let's just go right over to the header area right over here. Okay. Right. You may know that this kind of got rearranged in 6.3 where all the, you know, the header, the footer got pushed into the pattern section that's new, not in 6.4 but in 6.3. So what I'm going to do is change the header in for all of my pages and posts and blog archive. And here we go. Okay. So this is what I want. Sorry to take you down the wrong place here. So in my group block, I said you can add a background image and I'm going to do that right by going over to the style tab right over here. And this is new. We can put in a background image. I'm going to go into my media library. And I'm going to use this image right over here. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. And they've also given us the ability to adjust the minimum height here, which is good. I'm going to use pixels. Now you can change the unit of measurements. You can see this over here. This is typical almost for anything now is the ability to do that. But one thing you can't do is you can't change the focal point or the background image position that you can do with the cover block. This is similar to the cover block. It isn't exactly or let's just say it's not as robust as the cover block, but I do suspect that over time, you will be able to insert a background image into any block in WordPress or just about any block that would make sense to do a background image. And that's fine. I'm going to leave it just like this. Now what I also want to do is go into my navigation. And I said you can now add in the nav here is the navigation. Just give me one second here. The navigation block. And I said you can add a button block and I'm going to do that right over here. I'm going to insert and this right over here. The button. Okay. And now we should have it now you don't see it because I've got to get rid of this up here and now we see it. And I'm going to change this. So I need to add some text here. And I'm going to say login and log out. And I need to also add the link, of course, and I happen to have me see. Yeah, I happened to have a login log out page. If you didn't know this, there is an actual block that does the logging in and logging out it presents that or shows that kind of interface in the block which is great with something that we didn't have in the classical version of WordPress. Anyway, I'm going to save this. I have a look. So those are two changes to design tool enhancements right off the bat. And I'm going to go to the home to the front and you'll see. Okay, so this headers now applying throughout the entire site. And oh yeah, I said login. And just to show you. You can what's down here. I can't see it because of the but you can log in and log out right through this. So that's really nice. Okay, now I said there was two right well actually there's a third one let's have a look for design enhancements. And right over here. Vertical text. Now if you love vertical text, you are really in luck. So it's not my thing. Okay, I must admit it's not my, but I'm going to show you how you can do it so let's let's edit the page. Okay. Before we jump into that question is, can, yeah, can I style that but I was just going to say, yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, ask me the question. Can I style that button. Michelle is asking the way I style other buttons on the site. Yes, yes, you can same. It's, it's just the buttons block, which contains button blocks, right. For example, I showed you, I just had one button within the buttons block. You have to be careful how you say all that stuff. Okay, but the answer is yes. All right, so right over here. I want to change this now to vertical. Okay. Not really because, as I've said, I'm not big for as somebody has visually impaired vertical text, not so much. Okay. So I'm going to go to, where am I going to go? Oh yeah, to topography and see where's my topography. Here we go. And in the settings, right over here, the three dots. And I'm going to scroll down over here and this is new text orientation. And I'm going to click on that. And if I got it right. And it's so hard sometimes to work with this. What should happen is, let's see if I got it. Yeah, this is new. This is just added because I clicked on that text orientation. So it shows up right over here in the interface and right over here. There you go. So you can go ahead and tilt your head to, to read it. And so if you want. Now, I still find there's limitations as to positioning this. Let's say I wanted to get it closer to the bottle. I had some trouble doing that. Maybe somebody knows there's a better way to do it. But the way this is laid out is that it's a two column layout, just one and two. So, all right, but we're going to move on unless somebody has a question. Yeah, I'm just going to update the page. And that's good. Now I did say, so really those are three different design enhancements or tools to improve or enhance design. And I did say that there was a something called the interactivity API and there are two examples I'm going to show you. Now there's only two because they've only, they've, this is a brand new API and I expect that developers are going to use it more and more. And we're not even going to be aware of it. But here's, here's an example. Here are two examples of how it works. One is, is here, light box. Let's see. So check it out. Check this out. So you have a gallery over here and a single image over here. Okay. And if I click on, well, look at this, you can see, oh, a light box effect. Now I can't go to the next one like you would like think, right? I could go, well, this one's not going to do it. And this one does. Okay, now it's not broken. I set it up this way. So don't worry. Oh, it must be broken. No. And here's another example. So anytime I hover over, you can see. Okay, got it. And then nothing over here. And for the single image. Okay, so it works. So what's going on? How does this work? Well, let's go into the page. And take a look. So again, this is the interactivity API in, in, in effect, that's giving us the light box effect.  And if I clicked on this one over here, which I did, I selected this image. And I go down to right over here, it says, expand to click. That's it. And if I click this one over here, you'll see, no, that's not selected. So that's it. It's just a matter of toggling on and off. Now you might be thinking like, Oh, I have a whole site that I want to use that for. I'm going to have to click on every one of those. Nope. You can set the global style in the, if you're using a block theme, you can go into styles and set it there so that it'll apply to all images across the site. And then so that's the default. And so then if you want an image not to expand on click, then you would go into that one image and just deselected so you would have what you'd see right over here. So that to me makes a lot of sense. So it's a lot more useful than what you're just seeing over here. At least that is it's a lot easier to work with than what you're seeing here. And the same thing with this over here. Again, it's just a single image and it's selected over there. All right, so that's thought. That's one. Now the other example is pretty subtle, but it's there. And I'm going to go, it took me a little while to figure out this one. But if you go to the, let's see, blog, I think we have it over here. Okay. So I have a blog that has two different loops or two different query loops. One is for this category over here, which is scenes. And then the other one is for food. And, okay, fine. It looks kind of standard ish. Oh, by the way, since I am using 2024. And we'll look a little more into this, you know, a little bit. You can see one of the hallmarks seems to be rounded corners for all the images. Okay, doesn't have to be but that's sort of the default way of styling images in 2024. Anyway, down over here, if I click on new page, now you have to watch this really carefully. Did that reload? Laura, what do you think? Did that reload? Do you see a page reload there? I did not because of the fact I was looking at the chat. Aha! Okay, and now this one over here. Let's see. Let's take a look at that one. Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell. Let me just take a look at what's going on here. So for that, I am going to go into the site editor because that's where all this is taking place. And I'm going to go over here. And I sort of forgot how I set this up. So I'm going to go into this and we're going to go into, I want to see the query loop for the column on the left hand side. So that would be group columns on the left hand side. And then this one over here. Okay. And right over here, it says, let's see over here on the left hand right hand side. This is what's new. It says force page reload. Now, interestingly enough, they just changed this because in release candidate two, it says pagination enhancement. So either way, the page is not going, if you, what's going to happen here is in this instance, the page does reload compared to, let's look at the other one over here. And that is, we'll look at this other loop over here. That is, this is the second one, the one to the right. This is the, yeah, the one, this is the one, yeah. This is the one to the right. And what's selected over here is right over here. So in this case, what do we have here? This is the, this is not the default behavior. This is the browser, browsing between the pages requires a full page reload. Yeah, so that's, that is, does not require. Let me, did I see that right? Requires a full page reload. Oops, sorry. Let's see that again. Let me see if we can actually take a better look at that and understand what's going on here. Like I said, I had a little hard time understanding this, but it shouldn't be that difficult. So, when you're in the page, when you're at the page, right here, yeah, when you click next page, it like reloads the whole thing. Exactly. Exactly. It's more subtle now. But now here, right, right, right. But now here on the right side. Yeah, you see, you can't see it because it's, it doesn't reload. Yeah. Yeah. Did I get that right? Anyway, so there, that's the, that's the interactivity API, those two examples, the force page reload and the, and the light box effect. Now let's have a look at some of the changes to the site editor. And I think the one I'm about to show you is the most interesting, yes, question. Before we move on, there was a question about the light box view. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry I'm not asking about the question. Sorry. But no, that's okay. I think everyone's very interested in everything so there hasn't been a lot of questions. Everybody's wait, hold on a second everybody will have lunch on me when this is done so you want to stay there. Okay. We do have 51 people so don't make promises. Oh, no, no, I don't.  Is there a way to navigate the gallery while in the light box view because they're saying there is no way to navigate the gallery while in the light box view. That's right. That is right now that's the way it is now can will that change probably. Okay, so if we go back to the light box. That is exactly correct. There is no way as of now to let's say you click over here and then you'd say let's say there'd be an arrow over here to cycle through the other images. Can't do it. Not yet. Do I think it's going to come probably. I mean you could sort of remember this is all early stuff you're I mean you're looking at things that are newly minted and they're not fully developed but they're coming and there you can use them now. Okay, so I want to talk about that site editor stuff because I think what I'm about to show you is like the most interesting of all the changes in 64. Actually, the first thing I want to show you is let's jump into the site editor. And first thing I want to show you is in styles. Okay, if I click on so we open this whole thing up now. And it has a lot of potential. Oh my goodness. What am I doing. Okay. All right. Is right over here. If you go over to the styles icon. Oh excuse me, and you go right over here now we've had this this is the style book. You're probably familiar with this. But right over here. This is new this is revisions history now I know what you're thinking. Oh no don't tell me it's gonna be like revisions history like pages and posts and WordPress. No, this is actually the future of WordPress. So, if I click on revisions history. Now you can see a listing starting with the oldest that is the where I started and each one of these remembers as long as you do a save. It remembers and stores the information about what the styling looked like at a particular point in time. So I'm going to just click on a few of these and you can see. Okay now I didn't do a whole lot of big changes here but I just wanted to do this for demonstration purposes is that there are. Now here's what's also cool too and you'll see you'll get it and if people are following WordPress closely they'll get this in a second. So notice right over here. This isn't me this is my son. Okay now of course my son doesn't do this, but that's WordPress is dad's thing. But what I'm getting at is that different users are recorded in their style changes so that you could work collaboratively on style changes and have them saved. And of course, you know it's more than just the colors over here that can change it can change anything and as long as you save them. It's fantastic so you can say like hey we did a great styling back here. Let's apply this. Okay and let's work with this. I just applied it so now I can make all the changes based on. You know I can go on and continue to make. I can just go and open up the style book and start making changes right through here. So that's, I think it's really interesting now why do I get so excited about this because WordPress, the Gutenberg phase three is collaboration, and you can see this is opening up the door to how people are going to be able to collaborate. And make it have some sense to it as far as saving. So that's one of the versions of what they're doing. I'm going to go back to history, and you can see also you can delete all changes to or you can go back to the beginning. I'm just going to go over here, and actually just go back to here and apply. And that's fine. Okay, so as long as you click to save that's the way it works now as long as you click save. That will be saved. And I just, I do get a little excited about this because I can see the futures of WordPress in phase three right through here of what's going to happen. All right. Now, I want to take a look at something that I also think is pretty interesting and that is, let's go over to patterns. All right. Now, 2024 comes loaded with patterns. If there's one thing I could say about 2024, lots of patterns. And I'm not going to go through all the patterns obviously, but you can see the patterns are categorized that's not really new. But we can now create our own patterns again that's not really new but we can also apply our own categories and that's definitely a new feature so let's just create a pattern. I'm not going to go through all of them. Oh, I do want to just show you one right over here. I have a tech. I want to look for gallery. So I have five patterns and galleries. And as a preview of what's coming, take a look at this now you say like wait a minute, how could you have a blank pattern. No, it's not blank. So if I click on it, what you see is like or over here you see like these placeholders like images right or like with little spaces of like where images could go. Oh, that's new. All right. So I want to be able to create one of these so if I create let's say a gallery pattern of my own. How do I do that. Okay. All right, let me show you. So I'm going to go over to here. And now we've had this before but this is new over here the ability to right from here import a pattern. I'm going to show you importing and exporting in a bit. Let's just focus in on right over here. So I'm going to give it a name. Let's call it something fancy like Bud's pattern. Okay. And I said it would be fancy and then I could enter my own category name if I want or I'm not so creative here so I am going to use an existing category. And of course, it's going to be a gallery so why not just add gallery so yes can you add more than one category to the pattern. Sure. So, find out right over here. What does this mean if you're familiar with this with reusable blocks this is exactly what this is a synced pattern. And that is if you make a change to this pattern anywhere on the site. It'll change whatever that pattern is being used. Well, that's okay. I can also change this a little later on and that's what I'm going to do. I'm just going to leave it right like this. And let's start. And what I'm going to do is how are we doing on time we're getting close to the end here so I just want to check on time okay we're doing good. Yeah, we're at 237 so we're good. Yeah, and any questions right now while I'm looking at something. Yeah when you were showing that revisions. Is there a time limit on the history of that save. Do you know anything about that. Is it a safe revision item to keep. No, not yet. Nope, but you know what this is again, first look right this is the first iteration released in 6.4 and do I think that's going to change you bet okay so what you're just talking about you're going to see it. Not just in style revisions but in page revisions post revisions custom post type revisions any kind of revisions, you're going to see a sort of a list that you can go back to it's like, I guess it'll be a lot like Google Docs that you can go back and see. Yeah, yeah it's the whole part of the collaboration. Right, being able to work on a document with multiple people so that's right that's in real time to grow. Yeah. And also right this is only going to develop. It's really our first look at phase three and this is only going to grow and change as time goes on so. And also don't forget, we're talking about real time changes. As far as I know, okay so you can't do that now but I think that's coming all right so what I'm going to do is I'm going to start with them right over here. I'm going to do my own pattern here let's just let's type in. I'm going to make it real simple, because once you understand the concept, I don't have to make this complicated, and we'll do this and now I'm going to enter. I'm going to add, let's see. A. Okay I'm just going to do this over here actually. I think that's the best way to do this columns. Columns like so, and I'll get this out of the way. And here is the here's something that's new so I am going to just choose an image right over here. All right, I'm going to insert my image, but rather than look in the media library for it. I'm just going to go right over here into the where are we here. Let's get out of let's go into here and into the image. And right over here aspect ratio. I'm going to pick, let's say a square box. All right, didn't change all that much I don't think and now this one over here. I'm also going to add an image. And I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to change the aspect ratio. And you can see the ones that are there by default. I'm sure that, you know, different theme authors will have different dimensions put in here. And let's do. Okay, something like that. All right. And we'll save it. And I'm keeping this very simple. Actually, what I also want to do before we move off is to inside the group block. I'm going to put in a background color to make it a little easier to see. You know, okay. All right, I think that'll work. All right, so we're saving this pattern. Perfect. And what I want to do is use it. And I'm going to go over to page. Let's just add a new page. Oops, page, new page. And we're just going to now look at this. So, so, oops, that happened so fast. I'm going to leave what happened is and I don't like this and I maybe they will change this but Yeah, if I do this, add new. So 2024 pops up all these themes and you could probably look around for mine or Or your pattern actually not a theme but a pattern. I don't see anything. So I'm going to just close this out and then we're just going to put in the word pattern over here. P. I'm not even a title it what I'm going to do is I could just type in let's say slash. There we go. So my pattern is over here. Now I could also get it right through here. I could have gone to the insert or chosen pattern. And my patterns. This is new. Okay, I mean, this isn't I mean the fact that I created a pattern. It'll show up in there and it'll also show up of course in the gallery pattern as well. But I just did it like this. And now you can see what's really good about this is you just click on this. You go into the media library and you can add your media. Now, one thing you want to be careful of remember. I showed you that this is a synced pattern meaning right now if I once I get this thing going wherever I change the pattern whenever it's used it will change throughout the site. And I may not want to do that so I could unsync it and I'm going to just do that by right over here. Whoops. So a lot of controls right detach and now it's just a regular group block over here. Okay, I'm going to save some time by not you get the idea. I'll just do it real quick. I'll just do one of these media and put this in here. And so on so that is really great now why is that great, because before we'd have to put, we'd have to populate these with we'd have to populate our patterns that we created with images, we don't have to do that anymore. We can just put in placeholders and then populate our images so that is a time saver I really like that idea. We are heading down the home stretch here just a couple other things I want to get in here. Oh yeah. So what is really nice in case you don't know about this. I'm just save this. What's really nice is we go into the site editor, and we go into right over here patterns. Hold on patterns, down here, manage patterns, manage all patterns or manage my patterns, my patterns. And you can see my patterns over here right the one I created, but I can export this as a JSON file. I'm not going to do that you probably know how to do that, but I'm going to add a pattern so or import a pattern. So for that, that's not what I want to do. Is it? No, I don't want to. I don't think I want to do it that way. Hold on. I want to do a new pattern. I want it. All right. Well, there's a couple of ways to import. I'm going to do it like this. Let's go back. And I'm going to try something I haven't really tried yet, but this won't take long right over here. I showed you this a minute ago. And that is import. And it should write. And then right over here, I have a pattern that I created with another, from another site using a different theme. Now it was a block theme. All right, like this one. And if I go over here now to my patterns, I have this pattern in over here. Well, it's just that simple. And of course, one last look over here, we go over here. It's in there now and you can manage it and you can edit the patterns right from here.  Remember, gotta be careful if it's a synced pattern or it's not a sync pattern. You have to always know that last or we're just getting to the end. Oh, we're not quite there. Any questions while I'm fumbling around here, Laura. Um, we just we're just having a little discussion about that. Okay, the, the, the manage the revision thing. Is it something new. There are plugins out there that can manage revisions. So, right. Just clarifying some things for people. Okay, okay. I want to, we're almost done. I want to do, excuse me, a couple of those little quality of life improvements as they say, and yeah, so for here, we're going to go into that light box example. And we're going to go over here. And I'm going to show you list view. Oops, I'm sorry, list view. Now look at this list view has images. Now I really, you know, personally, I don't find much value to this. That's a little editorial there. But every image now has a little thumbnail. It's pretty small of what the image looks like. So, you know, fine, if you like that idea. But here's something I think is a little more useful quite frankly, is that if you have Let's do, let's put every, this is not. Let's do, let me get out of here and show you real quick. I thought I had something in there to show you, but just give me one second here. And right over here, back to patterns. And we're going to go. My patterns. And I can do it this way. Because this one uses the group block. Now watch this, you can now go over here and change or rename the group block. And let's just call this, we'll just call this pattern, pattern block. Okay, now it's not a very imaginative name. You'll see what happens is it now shows up as pattern block. Now I think eventually you're going to be able to rename all of the items in the list view. So that they'll be a little more, well, you know, so columns can't rename it yet, but maybe, you know, that's coming that we'll be able to rename that. All right, last is 2024. Sure. But I have a question.  From the chat. Could you save a template as a pattern in order to export an import into a different full site editing theme? All right, let me read that say that again. I think the answer is yes, but go ahead and say that one more time. Could you save a template as a pattern in order to export it right right export and import into a different theme. Yeah, as long as you're saving it as a pattern. Yes. But I, I, you know, hold on, let me just take a quick look at that one because I don't think that would work. So I templates. Manage all templates right over here. I don't know or if I knew I forgot. So. Yeah, I know what you're saying in the chat says, yes, that is possible. So, yeah, okay. It would make sense that that's possible. Thanks for the help on that. So, again, you can create a pattern. And then, or you can create a template. And push that into pattern or save it as a pattern. Right. And then export that into another website. As long as you can export the answer is yes so that would make sense that you can do that. All right. One last thing is 2024 and and then I'll answer any questions and I know somebody wanted to see how do you change the get rid of the media attachments. Yeah, you can get rid of media attachments. I can't move my I have some UI in the middle over here. Okay, you have about 10 minutes. Okay, we're good. We're very good. Okay, so I got as much as I could. Yeah, I want to do this. I want to do a summary and then question so here it is 2024. This is a demo site of the of the theme and it will of course be. Now if you want to get it right now go to GitHub and do a search for 2024. You can download the code and that's that. But because that's, I think the only way you can get it. I've seen quite a bit of this already actually the one thing I want to show you here right here, even though this is a very flexible default theme and that's true you can really use this thing for anything and a lot of people think this is the best WordPress stock theme ever. I don't know. That's not for me to say, but initially or it's going to be marketed and geared for entrepreneurs photographers or artists and bloggers. And so for example I think this one's kind of interesting here. Again, these are just examples doesn't mean you're locked into this style and anything like that. I thought what was kind of interesting is, oh sidebars are back, you know, they were gone and now they're back. So maybe so maybe not but you get the idea. It comes. Most of the style variations have the two. There are two different fonts of note that come with it, but a little disappointing here was the fact that the font library is probably a lot of people here may know was not as they say the technical term it was hunted to to WordPress 6.5. So, hopefully, we'll see the font library once and for all now if you got to see any of the font library. It's really great. Okay, and everybody's going to like it I think it's the ability really to use easily use any cut any font with their site right now it's not that easy to do. But in 6.5. It's going to be pretty easy to use and I thought it was really cool the way I was very disappointed that it's not in this version but it's going to come. Alright, last thing is really the summit all up. And for that, I will go over to my PowerPoint for a slider to and let's go over to here and we'll just go down to here. Okay, and I'm going to move this out of the way. And that is, if you haven't noticed this is definitely a smaller release. Okay, there were not really those show stopping, you know, can't miss heart throbbing whatever features in 6.4. And the primary reason was we had a very short release cycle. 6.3 came out in August. And there wasn't time to really do more than what was done but still, I think there's some significant improvements in the experience of working with WordPress without a whole lot of real fancy stuff going on. And as I said, we did see changes to design tools in the site editor. And is it the end of phase two well there in a way it was phase two was supposed to have already ended I guess phase two will really never end, but they will always be making improvements to the site editor. And of course, you know, stay tuned for 6.5 which I think is going to be a biggie. And with that, I will be Oh, one last thing. Where to reach me. So you can take a picture of this right now get your cell phones out. And it's but it joy of WP.com and Oh, if you use that thing called Twitter or X or whatever it's called. It's always going to be called both. I'm at joy of WP and please follow me because I only have a thousand eight followers as of today and I need to get to 2000 like in a week or so. No, I then that's not going to happen. And that's really it. So I'm hopefully that you learn something that you didn't know already. And you found it worth your time and you know I'm happy to answer any questions. Oh, should I answer that question that somebody asked at the top that dealt with how to get rid of that media attachments page. Let's do that one. Okay, I said I would. So let's get that one done. And actually, for that, there isn't a plugin yet for that but you know you can figure it will be, but you don't have to wait for the plugin. You can actually you can go into your database and make a change in the options table, or you can do this. So I didn't know you could do this until recently this is like what I learned the other day. And shame on me for not even knowing this but you know you can't know everything. I'm going to get out of there. And we're going to go into. So in my URL and the WP admin I'm going to type in options that PHP. Okay. And of course, this is really direct access into your database and right over here somewhere it says attachment WP. I don't know where it is. But if you scroll down here somewhere, you know, trust me, it says something like WP attachment disabled or something like that. You have to change the value. Let me just see if I can find it real quick. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on here. I think it's right here. No. Anyway, the value has to be changed from one to zero or zero to one I forgot which one. And, and that's it and then you just can save it. Of course you want to be careful with this you got to back up and all that because you know you're playing with the database here. And that's it and I haven't tried it myself so I'm not going to guarantee. Now, fresh new WordPress installs of 6.4. There will be no media attachments this is only for people who want to get rid of media attachment pages all together which I think is a good thing because it just wrecks up your seat, or doesn't help SEO at all. Okay, I hope that helped. Next. Any other questions. No questions. Really. That's scary. Anybody still here. Yes, we have 41 people still now. All right, so we're all coming over for lunch is that it. I don't think so. Well, you know where to reach me and I do respond to email and I do respond to DMs and Twitter and stuff like that so if you have any questions about anything. Let me know. And, and yes, this is being recorded so the link will be on in the learn WordPress or WordPress TV. Give us a day or so, since I'm still new at the transcribing and in all that, setting that all up, but thank you everyone appreciate that and thank you Laura. Yeah, you're welcome. Take care. All right, bye everyone.


Name another podcast like this. We're gonna bring it to the table boss. Oh check check check this unique house is your boy He's CEO. Let me with the lovely amazing official miss Jamaica. What's going on? No, none, you know, my dad will go on but I want y'all to know this y'all need to like subscribe follow some all social media platforms I mean we are on tick tock Instagram Facebook Snapchat you name it run it but we're also on patreon where you can buy a membership and Support the brand and we will so appreciate it because that's the only place you'll get full length Interviews after a while and the same goes for YouTube Support us by buying a membership package and you're gonna get all the full length interviews you want man So, uh, you know, it's an honor and a pleasure, you know, I'm honored today because of this guy You don't need no introduction He's one of the guys that You know when I think about You know the the music videos the movie the short films things just happening when I start to look up visuals to see where people add today I find this guy man This guy here man prophecy is in the building man.  You were talking about building a studio with your family And so it wasn't even there yet. It was a dream. So It wasn't a dream. It was it was it was happening. I just didn't want to like say too much. Yeah, because I was gonna be I knew it was gonna be successful because of who you are See and to see where you came from, you know what I mean? I know you have the drive and a passion for it So I'm just saying that to tell all y'all if you have a dream and a plan Just step forward on faith and just keep going because you can't just have a dream and just keep a lot people Oh, I thought of that Thinking about it and I'm moving towards it. It's two different things You know what I mean? I like the fact that you thought about it and you took the plan of action to get it going and just did it and To see where it has come to and I know it's gonna go even way further. You're gonna be expanding I know you probably are thinking about expansion. I already know that but I Want to applaud you for that You know, I'm very impressed with the footage. I see come from over there You got a room with a lot of money in it. I keep seeing them Like damn this room got a lot of money in it, man. So what what made you do that room like that that room particularly? um, I mean to be honest I mean, it's just a cool set. You know, I mean, I didn't seen it once before in LA Okay, I didn't see no room for the money like that, but it was really small It was really tiny. So I was just like why would I just want to make it bigger? But right now actually, I'm having to tore down right now. Really in the process while we're here They're tearing down the money right now. So how are they gonna put it back up now? It's gonna be a yeah, it's gone like a lot of the like a lot of the studio is getting rotate already It's been about a year year and a half and Every year not every year just like I feel like I wouldn't say it's slowing down But I feel like I want people to knew I want something new I want to get people something new. How many how many rooms do you have right now 18 in total 18? How big are each room? It depends. They're different sizes as small as what and as big as what the smallest is about maybe 150 250 square feet. The biggest one is about a thousand square feet Hmm the reason why I was here cuz you know when people thinking about you know, renting out a spot or a studio They want to know, you know sizes and so forth, but 18 rooms That's crazy. So so like when I was first here talking about it. It started with one warehouse and I only had I started with seven rooms. I started with seven eight rooms and Then I went and had ten and then I ended up leasing another warehouse that's connected to mine Like the so it's all in one location. Yeah, it's all in one location now Yeah, and it's warehouses that you turned into studios studios. Okay And so do you have room at that? Warehouse to keep growing to build more. I'm trying to get the one next to me right now.  I told him so Me and the guy next door like having a feud right now like like He wants my warehouse. I want his but I have already more, you know property So I told the land like the people I'm leasing the warehouses, right? Like bro, I'm ready to get him out of here me and him are like going back and forth He doesn't want to let me use his parking spots.  Well, he's not gonna get me. I know like like that's not an option Yeah, it's not an option So you try to like tell your landlord like how much for this whole place? Let me go ahead and buy I told him like like because we got into it the day that he told the truck the He's not the landlord. He's the manager who manages that spot. He was there He came because he was trying to like cool us down and stuff like that And in front of him, I was like, bro, you know what just let me know when his lease is up I'll buy whatever he's paying I'll double it I was like and on top of that because he's just using it for construction stuff like that I was like, you know, I'm gonna renovate it. I'm gonna put in you flooring you Yeah, I'm gonna put an AC unit in here.  It'll be your ownership and not leasing anything. Yeah. Yeah That's all in the process right now. Right. So like I'm working on buying one property and leasing another studio this year So I plan to have two more studios. One of them is already in the process Do you want to talk about it or not? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to talk about the sets But I am gonna have no no no where I'm like what location where are you thinking about doing all the studio? So the first location I'm actually buying a house. Mm-hmm. I'm buying a house and I'm turning the house into like a different sets Yeah, different sets inside those houses because they do that a lot in Dallas because I know a lot of artists will say they go on Peer space. Yeah, yeah and look for houses like that. Yeah. Yeah, so so it's gonna be a house And I'm gonna rent it I'm gonna decorate it out so that at the same time while I'm buying the house the peer space like the studio is paying for the property So I'm owning the land right the property once once like two three years have passed by and the and let's say the sets are done I could just renovate it either flip the house sell the house sell the house or Just put it on Airbnb and then just kind of make money that way But either way, you know, I can't lose because I'm owning property Right exactly and people don't realize ownership is so important right now because if all else fail and you you know It doesn't work out or you need to sell it. You can always make a profit off of just the land Yeah, exactly, but not land is important like like to be honest I want to eventually just get into real estate. Yeah, because if you own property you own land You're gonna get let's say you have 20 properties you and your kids everybody's passing on to your children Yeah, yeah, like pass it on to your family passing on to your kids if you have 20 properties Nobody's ever gonna have to work again. Right. It's just like passive income. Wow, but okay So tell me, you know, we're talking about all the good stuff But I know that you've had hiccups in your your journey to where you are today When you first started tell me about some of those hiccups that you've had and How you overcame it your frustrating time stressful time. I mean, I wouldn't say call it frustrating or stressful But like let's say the first video, right? I had a lump sum of money that I wanted to invest You know, I mean like videos were doing good videos were going great. I had this money and I was like I need to do something with it. So I decided to do the studio Right. So when I did the studio, I had let's say fifty sixty thousand dollars saved up when the studio was about to open Like during like at the very last minute I only had like eight hundred dollars in my account and I still have to pay like You know You know, I mean, so I had put everything that I had had I pretty much risked my whole bag Like everything but then when you did that because you know how we women are and Be like, are you sure you want to do this? Are you sure? This is this is we need to pay bills Did you have that issue or she was just like just go I trust you just go ahead and do what what you got to do Yeah, she's just like whatever it is if we go down broke we're gonna go broke together We were broke, you know, I mean like so we like I ain't scared to go broke. I've been there, you know, I mean So I ain't scared to have no money because I've already had no money And I know how to make it back. Wow, you're gambler. I'm a gambler. Yeah but like I take I Take risk, but they're calculated risk like I kind of figured it out Like I did the math for the studio on how much I can make on the high end and how much I can make on the Low end and I like the numbers. So I was like How important is it for you to do that compared to just jumping in head first and not calculating or whatever It's very important. You shouldn't do that Like unless you know the numbers what you can make on the low end and what you can make on the high end Like you shouldn't even be like investing into anything if you don't how did you calculate that? Just cuz I was I knew how much I was gonna charge hourly.  A lot of a lot of it goes. Oh, okay So you do have a lot of your stuff on Peer Space. Yeah, okay, okay? So you've been doing videography for a very long time, right? How many years has it been? I want to say a little bit over 10 years a little bit over 10 years And do you work with black magic cameras a lot? No, not really what I mean that it's cool. You do Sony's. I do Sony's I like to keep it simple like you you got to understand when I first came into the game Like there was nothing like I remember how many cameras that you brought when you came over at a day Yeah, I had like four or five life three four cameras. Yeah, just started though not too long what you bought two in two or three Yeah, yeah, I was probably about two three years in the reason why I was asking because I've dealt with it We've dealt with a lot of videographers, right? And I've always asked and it seemed like a lot of them don't use black magic So I'm I'm like what is it about that that why videographers should don't use those there's like just like everybody There's people who a preference. Yeah preference Yeah, you know, so like black magics are really good for this type of stuff for like documentaries for like, you know Short films even movies like they have a real like good look But for for music videos, I prefer Sony's. Oh, okay. Got you I don't but if you can give me a Sony you can give me a black magic or Canon or Lumix It doesn't matter to me like I'm gonna learn it right not even learn it like I could I could pick up any camera right now and And shoot something with it and it's gonna look what's the camera that you looking for right now? It's always one on the list that I'm looking for you would like that you haven't bought that you like man I'm not buying them. I mean like like the same the Sony a7s 3 right now is my perfect camera Yeah, that's what I have the Sony a7s 3. That's like my go-to like my personal running gun camera like if you need a video shoot shot right now, that's what I'm gonna take with me and But for like bigger professional shoots, then that's like I wouldn't buy a red camera I wouldn't buy an already really I'll rent it and I'll hire somebody to who professionally knows how to work that camera because Like the music the video the music video industry just like the movie industry in general like there's not just one person who Who runs like everything one person is immense a shoot edit color direct light, you know, like all those are separate jobs It's like an umbrella You know, I mean, but like we spoil these artists by like just doing everything for them and learning everything Wow, I just like I said when I look at you and I think about the journey that you've been on I see certain artists pop up and I'd be happy to see them working with you Like I just seen you with Fredo bangs like that was big like I remember having DJ chose on here And he was like man, I work in the studio with a man and it's it's dangerous. He was like it's dangerous I was like how dangerous is he's like it's not and and and I was like just Asking him that how how was it working with Fredo banks? You know what Fredo bang is probably one of the like like his whole crew his organization like the people managing him And the way he is professionally was probably one of the best experiences with the bigger artists that I've had in a while Wow, and I asked that because I had called his manager and many of them talked and I was because I was like man Y'all was brought him over the boss talk man You know because he was over here Well, he'd been over here a few times his manager and we all just vibe he was with chose I think one night we was all kicking it and I was like man. Why you ain't bring him over here?  I saw called chose. He posted linked me in He's like maybe even come up that day. So it's like a few weeks ago when he was here And I was just so I just wanted to rock out with him You know, I wanted to get him on the show and I know it's coming because I got relationships with those guys The dope dope like you said I want to work more with Fredo I think Fredo got the potential to be like like he's big right now He's definitely big but I feel like he has a he has the sound the quality to like just the work ethic The music he could be up there like up up there.  So I never interviewed nobody had done that so I want to get him over here I haven't seen a lot of his videos because you know, I have so is he a very creative person where his videos are concerned Like would he come in and be like, okay? This is what I'm thinking because you know, you're some people who go like way out of the box I feel like Fredo's videos He works with Jolo. He's a director out there. I think Florida, but His videos are very like running gun very like in the moment like where you wherever you're at where it doesn't matter Like it's just kind of like in the streets.  That's called Jolo Who's that guy that I see on there's a guy see on Instagram that does some crazy running videos that And he always show like behind the scene of it. So you see exactly how he's doing it He's a Asian-looking guy I don't know. It's a male. He did one with Paul. He did it with, um, Johnny. You showed that to me. I don't know who that is He did a lot of cars like he run and he go up and he come up and he move around I know who you're talking about. I've seen a reel like I know who you're talking about Yeah, he does a lot of that and it be looking so dope I look at like different people are different god bless them with different talents So I think everybody if they tap into what they're good at I think that's where they're gonna be the most like alive. It's like you might be a person that just do interviews, right? You might just be a person that do Like different or you might be a person that just record interviews or just record videos or just record a certain type of The video, you know, and it's always just You got to tap into what's for you I think I think that, uh You can work at something and be really good at something. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I think it's a little bit of natural talent and a whole lot of work You know, I mean that I agree with that. I feel like You could be naturally talented at something. There's a lot of good rappers out there There's a lot of really really good rappers out there.  I should get all the money, but it don't work like that That's why somebody with a worse song But with a big grind and a big, you know, like, you know, good marketing good, you know, good work ethic Like they'll blow up before a good a good rapper You know, but you have to have the bag to put behind you for it to be really good too because They always say you pay for what you get. Is that really true? Especially in your industry that you're in? Yeah, if you if you're the the the music video world the film world It's a like the more you put into it the yeah, I mean it's because like It gets to a point where like when you're starting off small you can you could you could hit up your people like Hey, bro, come through to the video shoot. I need you for this.  Oh, yeah, we don't got to pay any girls. I got these homegirls over here They're gonna come through right and then last minute they were like, hey I can't make my hair not done But like so so it's just like do you provide people to like say, um, having a studio like say My girls couldn't show up or whatever. Do you have people on stand by like, okay? Well, I would say stand by like last minute because the girls have to get their makeup done and all that stuff But like cars women locations You have all that props like anything that like I'm a producer at this point like I could bring all this I could bring, you know Any video that you want anything that you might need I know how to get it What's the most I have one more question What's the most creative video like who is the person that came in that had to you the most creative video idea That helped that sort of like pushed you to your limb um, that's tough That's tough because like it's very few artists like very few people like, you know Um, a lot of artists just want me to come and just film wherever they're at, you know, I mean There's not really a lot of artists, but Um, I did one recently with tg commas like I like telling stories.   That's my thing, you know, let me ask you something getting I want to go to When we was here last time it was real fresh mo three had really just not long before that passed away Um, you did a lot of work with mo three. Um And I just wanted to you know, how tough is it being? far as just Man, I work with that guy and just you know, all the memories, you know, rain water came over here I know you got a lot of footage behind the scene footage Documentary type footage like how how hard is it going through that footage and just doing these These videos with him not being there trying to make this make this something incredible Yeah, it's hard like just just like a couple months ago like two or three months ago I went through all my hard drives. I have like 10 hard drives I keep all the footage that I've ever shot even to his day, you know, I mean like since I started shooting I've never like really like lost any footage I put together a hard drive of all the mo three footage I have about maybe 40 gigabytes of like just raw footage of mo three. I have like maybe over 30 Folders worth of footage Never be seen never seen foot. Yeah, I got never before seeing footage like like I got stuff dating back to like 2016 when you know, like before he even like Blew up like crazy. He was doing a show and he had like I think it was a show in mckinney and and mck and The whole crowd was singing his stuff already. Wow, you know like so so but he was young He didn't really have no chains on he was just like it was just like a young mo three So I have stuff dating back from then all the way to like, you know And the rain that just came I guess you showed him some stuff He came straight over here and he was like man, man, we're gonna do a dope document a dope movie or dope something Man, we it's a bunch. He he was telling me about that.  Like it was a tough some parts.  Yeah, I said that I'm always gonna say that because I feel like mo three is just more talented than all these other artists and rappers You know, I mean, yeah, and I feel like he was still gonna diversify more He was still gonna like his music was gonna change and he was able to know He was gonna be able to work and produce better music, you know, I mean as he as his career kept on going um, so I mean, but the new music that's coming out.  Yeah How was it with the tori lanes thing like and and and tori lanes end up going to jail like yeah, like not not long after that and and and I just What what was it like working with tori lanes? It was tough Explain it was tough. Like like it wasn't like the fredo bang situation It was it was I wouldn't say it. It was the complete opposite. You know what I mean?  I had you know schedule on time, you know, however at what a time everybody was supposed to be there and um He didn't show up like he was supposed to be there. Let's say three or four o'clock Maybe he didn't get the memoir. Like I said, I don't know how the whole process was He ended up showing like 6 30. Wow, you know, I mean like at that time the sun was going down Like, you know at that point, but I'm the type of guy that no matter what it is.   Let's make this let's do this Let's do that. Um, but he got there six 30 and then um his manager whoever somebody came over there Like oh, uh, he has to leave at 7 30. I was like, don't you hate when they do that? You know, you been there right so Like when they they say we got to leave now, right? Yeah. Yeah, you just got here I was like, yeah, they're like, oh, yeah, you only got an hour.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they changed the treatment So everything was planned but when he arrived and I had let's say I had maybe four hours That I had planned at least minimum, you know, I mean like this I was supposed to be here This right here this right here this right here Well, that went out the window when they told me I got one hour So you don't tell them in advance that you need this amount of time Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know. No, I had a hope like I said, everybody got the paperwork So he knows either like I said, I don't know if he knew I don't know if it got to him His team might have known but he might have known Okay, I don't know, you know, maybe just because it was a feature He just you know decided that it was just going to be like Something quick, you know what I mean, but like you got to understand three is not here Correct. So I have to like the whole video almost kind of has to revolve around Tori Tori But it didn't happen like that. So now I'm over here improvising. So like the video came out okay to me Like it was a good video, but it wasn't it could have been better. It wasn't my vision. You know what I mean? Like I had so much what was your vision for it? um, so The song is called they don't know right so Tori and three were supposed to be messing with the same girl, you know, I mean because you know We we flew out of girl like that usher song. Yeah, we flew out of girl from From san francisco and she was supposed to be with tori about the same time she was she's with mode 32 You know what I mean? She's with both of them and her homegirls are telling her why you messing with tori You know what I mean? Like why are you doing this? Like like he's he's nobody. He's toxic You know what I mean? Like don't mess with him.  We do do but that's what she goes to do Right.  It was supposed to be a lot But but all that got cut into like a one hour one and a half hour session Wow, that's crazy. Yeah because it's just and on top of that They smoked out the house that weren't supposed to smoke it out Because I was always wonder about that because how can you control that? Especially when you have certain artists coming off certain statue who just don't really care about anything and they do What they want to do So how do you do that? Um at that point like I mean because you can't control it. I can't control it So at the end of the day, I now have to come out of pocket to pay the fee.  I used to let people smoke But now it's like more on but again just like how you can control that situation There's going to be situations where you might not be able to control it Yeah, but um The majority of the time yeah, you know, I mean like people are respectful, right?   I have to relocate. I have to and I'm now I'm losing hundreds of thousands of dollars Yeah, you know, I mean like and I can't do that. Fuck.  Um, but that's two times like I seen you when I think I was going to hit Baby C in the him was doing anything. Um, how was it working with this guy? This guy is I mean the song's cool when they do it It's problem when I do this dude is really like he jumping on these beats like when he start going You can tell that he's special. You know what I'm saying? So his energy is different than most and people He forcing people to realize I'm that guy. So how was it when you was working with it? So finesse is incredible Okay, how all right, so we get there, right? Like, uh, he still hasn't even baby C has his verse He's supposed to hop on the song, right? um He just when we get there i'm already there early he gets in the studio He doesn't have anything thought up. He was like, all right, play a song play the beat will do do He hears it five minutes later. He's like, all right. I'm ready. He goes in the booth Now this is like he gets there five minutes past. He hears the beat he goes in the booth Lays down the song 10 minutes later. He comes out.  He did it in 10 minutes He did in 10 minutes and you knew it was hot everybody in the studio knew it was hot This dude knows how to drop his verse The cadence is i'm telling you I know what it is. It's the way he's he's he's tackling that beat In a way so he already had the beat that he was going to go to because he was just featured on it And he comes in how quickly did you expect it to go like that?  I ain't never worry. He just you know, I ain't never I ain't Never worked with him.   You feel like he's gonna be around He's one of those guys. Yeah, he'll be he'll be around because he has a good work ethic He you know, they work, you know, I mean and he got I think they got a good team. They just got a You know, it's cool when they do Yeah, man, it's can't see the way you know I Yeah, if he could keep on replicating those type of songs Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna keep some you say it jay-z told Kanye Like, you know, it's cool to do off the wire one time. Can you keep doing it? Exactly people people expect that you do it one time People people think that if you do it one time, that's it.  You're a legend Like nah, like you gotta keep proving yourself in the game like like it doesn't matter what I did five years ago It doesn't matter where I did three years ago with three like it matters what I'm doing now I'm proving myself now what work I'm doing right now Like I don't like I don't ever look at the past like Yeah, I feel like I've done some stuff. I don't I don't ever hold it over people. You know what I mean?   What's the name? Uh that one everybody didn't do everybody that somebody else. I didn't do everybody somebody did that video you did You did uh, I did bro. I did mob with it outside outside like round and round 2019 How was it working with with boosie? Like during these times with because they was doing something that was epic and we know that They did a whole project together, which that's dope boosie. It's cool. But boosie just goes with it I feel like boosie has like, you know, he also drops his movies and stuff like that So he has like a respect for the craft for like the for for videos and for But it was cool. Like like boosie ain't never had no I never had no issue if I tell if I have a vision I tell you know, like hey, this is where it is. He's like, let's do it. Let's rock. It's just he just goes with it You know, yeah, boosie the gmb when we interviewed them If gmb productions in houston, they was like boosie when he was dealing with cancer They just roll him to the booth in the wheelchair when he had to get that surgeon when he was going through all his chemo Like this dude never stopped working You know what I mean like he worked all the way through that then he gets shot and you see him rolling around after he's shot Like he just never stops boosie good people. I got a story with boosie So, uh, we went out and shot that boosie gone wild, right? Yeah Yeah, so we went to his house and we had to set up I had to set up all these damn cameras and you know lights and make sure everything is proper You know, I mean, so I was kind of like in charge of doing all that, right? But when we first got there that night Um, there was a bunch of us at his house. We're trying to scout the location. We're gonna put the cameras and um Boosie hit up somebody that like hey, I need catering in my house tonight. He was trying to feed us, right? He was like, we're there at my house. Like, you know, he's trying to feed us Um, the dude was like, I can't do it tonight. So well boosie did He started making burgers themselves What? Yeah, yeah himself. Like he just started making burgers. That's dope I was like, I was like, is boosie making those burgers right now? Were they good?  He just started cooking in the kitchen for us.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That's hard, man.  So so the fact that he that that, you know, he indicated that he wasn't able to get it But like that he the fact that he made burgers for for everybody. He wasn't gonna let y'all sit there hungry. That's the thing Yeah, that's hard. So so when that happened, I had a whole nother respect for boosie as a He's already one of my favorite artists. I used to listen to a while time But just as a person as a as a human being like, yeah, boosie is that guy.  You know, I seen what was going on I was on my back.  I sit back there and watched it on the table And I'll never forget it was dope. I had to go in and got dark And yeah, it was going down man. Like like when it went dark, I had to pay for it You know, they let it come free for a little while and uh, how was that? Like how was it filming that working with boosie during that that process? I've never seen nothing done like that before How was it? I don't think ever and nothing's ever been done like that. Yeah, it was crazy Like I I saw some stuff that night that I like like damn like is this really happening really They was cool on that in but I was also working it.  Yeah, I think it's like pre-recorded and then uploaded like now What you saw with that night that shit happened in the moment in that very second So so Taking care of like shooting a music video school like because you could edit you could redo like like not shooting it live And adding it a lot more stressful. It's stressful as hell Wow, man Would you take on a lot more of those type of projects if it was paid good?  Do you think that let's talk about that situation Do you feel like if you had had more manpower it wouldn't have been as stressful You think that that's what would have helped. Yeah Yeah, if the crew was more experienced Okay, if if everything was done where everybody knew what the hell they were doing If we had the manpower for everything, it would have been a good experience.  That's just another notch on the bill. Yeah, you know what I'm saying um We went to a place where we had to set up my wife she always taken control and trying to really dictate what's going on when we set things up and uh, She basically, uh, we went to a place where it was a hundred thousand speakers in there It looked like and a whole bunch of no room and we set all our cameras up and it was we did Interview like that. So I think that when you push yourself Impressive yourself. It makes you better. It makes you better. So like That was stressful the stuff that I did with erica badu was stressful. You know what you do with erica badu So when I was at that all that was I remember that so remember that during the pandemic She did like three concerts online. Yeah, where people will pay the first one was a dollar the second one was two dollars Yeah, one was three dollars. So so Now it all it all came through uh, no artistic visuals. Yeah visuals. Yeah, so so He he has enough trusted me to go and kind of like You know figure out the production side of it. Yeah, he always speak highly of you Yeah, so I'm out there putting setting up the cameras trying to figure out what the best angles are You know, I mean trying to make sure everybody's on point But those live situations are stressful. Yeah They're stressful because everybody got to be on point the cameras. Everybody got to be on point man They wanted me to fly a drone in there And I was like, bro, it's not possible. No, I mean, it probably is but like in that very moment It wasn't possible. It was just too much magnetic interference.   Now you see what I mean?  I crashed a drone into a truck one time. You did to somebody's truck I don't know who struck it was I didn't crash my drone a couple times. I didn't hit a light pole at you.    It wasn't that bad like So let me ask you something by uh Kevin Gates working with him because you work with him. Oh, have you worked with him just once right? Yeah, that was that one that one time like how was that like I be wanting to know like how is it where I never Met Kevin, but how was it working with him? Was it dope dope move? Yeah. Yeah dope I mean Kevin Kevin Gates is dope as hell like uh the thing that surprised me about Kevin Gates is like uh when he came up to me He started speaking Spanish Yeah, he was good and that's what surprised me, you know, you know, I was like he started speaking Spanish to me.  It was on point. It was on point and like it was a good conversation and like man like just like You know that day I had everything set up. I wanted everything to go perfect. So when he got there Hey, Kevin, I need you here. This is our first shot. This is our second shot. This is our third shot You know, like I wanted everything to go smooth and it did that was like I want to say the first big big like, you know video that I ever did And everything went smoothly that day and Kevin was like perfect He didn't get like if I told him like, hey, I need you here. Yeah, okay I was like you got this area to work with He's not fussy. He was everything was professional with him. He was into it.  I want to know With book with not boozy, but with mo three being short as he was Trying to angle these cameras to make him look the right way You see what I'm saying?   Like I don't know how to angle the short person whether the top person correct It's just it's something that I have trained already for eight nine years. So it's just not you know, because I didn't care about him Carey because it wasn't nothing that was so it's important for a look You have to angle them. You have to angle a shorter person a certain way, right? Do you have to do it that way for it to look good on camera? Correct? That's what I was asking because it's just the angles, you know I didn't really think about how you cared about it. That ain't what I'm saying because when you I'm shorter, but I don't care about no nigga taller.  This camera is right here, right? Correct. I'm this tall if I was taller you just move it higher. That's right And if he was shorter, you just move it shorter. Yeah, but we got a taller in the short guy there Yeah, that's true. But yeah, but they're not both singing at the same time. Like when mode three when it was mode three It's mode three you focus on mode three when it's focused on k like if it's on or if they're both in the same Scene, you don't have camp because I see people do that You'll have Kevin gates standing further back and mode three closer So it makes him look bigger and it don't show that much Yeah, exactly.  Yeah, he's that short? Yeah, Tory Lane's is kind of short. I would have said I don't know about Kevin hardest five one. Kevin hardest five one. They ain't about the same size. Oh, they kids Yeah When you see my TV, he don't be looking like he's that short. Yeah, I just knew I knew uh, say, um What's the boy name? I just said the The one Tory Lane's I seen him get up out the chair and he's the same height Exactly at uh at at uh breakfast club And I was like damn and it was laughing because it was like it was like it went viral, you know I remember that you seen it right So I thought if you got out the journey was like he's sure but I don't I mean I don't like my vision my life the way I the way I see the world is different. I don't say I don't see people But I don't judge people but like I just uh, how do you see them? Like Like if I have to film you you're my job, I just have to make you look like I gotta make you look good Yeah, it doesn't matter. You're my subject. You're my subject. Yeah, I'm painting a picture right here Right and no matter what you know, no matter who you are. I'm gonna make you look as good as possible Our females more difficult when you're dealing with certain females. Yeah, pink pressure. How was that video pink is cool Pink is that's my doll. Yeah, she cool Like uh, tell me about the time where you had the most difficult, um person to deal with Who who I don't know. No, no, no, I know you probably won't say who but tell me about that situation I have a couple. It's it's always girls Okay, so you say that he says there's no difficult man. He's dealt with no There might be one or two difficult men There's one there's one artist that I always in this video and he always writes me a paragraph of all the changes But he writes me specifically and then I fix it later. He's cool. He's cool But there's some girls. Oh my god Like I think the the the worst part about dealing with girls is waiting Like for them to change outfits We could shoot one scene it's gonna take us 20 30 minutes to shoot that scene But for them to change is gonna take two three hours No, so now I'm just sitting around just now the outfit on the changing makeup and hair They're doing everything make up hair like so so like so like what could have been a four hour shoot turns into a 12 hour 16 hour shoot And that's but do you charge per hour? I usually charge per project but per project those situations Yeah for females I'll start thinking like damn like I just they might hurry it up a little bit quicker. Yeah I got a I got a show lord of mr.  Lucia man? He be coming over. That's my guy right there. That's my guy Yeah, yeah, we we got something new coming out. Oh, yeah Yeah, so I'm doing I'm doing a series uh called take him to school.  I got a school like classroom And uh, I'm calling the series take him to school So I'm only inviting people to come in like certain people Um, who I think they're dope. I think they're music who they're who they're having good movements Like I'm inviting them to come to the classroom and kind of just like do like uh promote their songs You know, I mean and we shoot like four or five scenes. You know how they do the mic drops and stuff like that Yeah, something similar like that, but just in the school. Wow, that's that's gonna be lying So but yeah, so I invited lucia to come out. He's coming he's coming in He always gonna show up for the city, man Everyone guy you can't you can't need he always gonna show up. He's gonna do what he gotta do. Um Um, I have good the good experiences with a few guys in the city like that. Um As you talk about school, um, have you ever thought about because we're doing what you're doing for so long and you're such a An expert at it. Have you ever thought about creating a school to teach other kids how to do what you're doing? Where my brain gets bigger for sure when demand is like super high like I could do it right now Maybe get 10 people but I want to get to a point where like I get a thousand people You know, I mean like it's it's just timing for me You know, I mean it's all business like I could do it, but it's not gonna get hit as hard as I know You know, I'm only gonna keep getting bigger. This is right.  Have you worked on any movies yet? Yeah, I've worked on I've just seen the war with the which one with the face Yeah, that's uh, yeah, I saw that's where I got that picture from. Oh, yeah.  I didn't know that you should left the zombie in So, how was it like, um shooting a film for that was that your first? No, this is probably my third or fourth featured film that I that I do like That I said that I did a cinematographer that they paid me to shoot the video And it's about my third film that I color You know, I mean so no actually my I didn't a lot of color work for like, you know videos and you seen how you've gotten because you know as we do things that are Not our normal job. So to say we try to get better every single time So you've seen how you've gotten better from now with your third compared to the first time you did it Okay, I feel like I shoot out color. I'll edit anybody really Even now, I could even now like I'll produce a video better than anybody. I feel like in the in the movie on a movie too Yeah, how what's the difference though with the movie compared to just doing music videos? Um a music video I could probably charge four or five thousand ten thousand and create like something dope And it's a three minute video. So think about a ten thousand dollars for a three minute video, right? A movie's like an hour and a half and a half and instead of filming one day Which would take me ten thousand dollars to produce a video for one day professional video, you know, I mean A movie you have to work 20 to 30 days, right? So just multiply that you're looking at 200 300 thousand dollars. So you make way more Well, so so You would make but if I was you're more booked If I was shooting the movie if it was my movie me producing and me managing That's the money that I have to put into the movie myself Either that or I have to go get investors, right, you know, I mean, which I don't really like to get investors because I don't like yeah, you want to do everything yourself. Yeah, I don't like playing.  I'm gonna do it and when I do it, I'm gonna do it better than everybody Yeah, I just wanted to know what your goals were so that when you come back on here I'm gonna say the same thing that quarter said about your studio I'm like, you know, you spoke about it the last time you were here talking about film and you doing it yourself And the next time you're back on here You probably would have done it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I'll do it within the next year or two Um, I'm 32 right now. I feel like I feel like I'm still young. Yeah Am I young? Yeah, you're young. What are you talking about? You're still young I would say I feel old. You know what like I don't feel anything. I just feel like Just living life. I have no I have no like a perception of time Um, like I don't know what I don't know what I don't know what that's the same thing with us I promise you doing this job is the same thing. We'd be like, okay. Who did we just film the other day? I have to go back to my schedule to find out everything runs in together I don't know what today is. I don't know what time it is. I just know I live and I work and I just do Shit, you know, but how many people who do what you do to the caliber that you do it at Is your age? I think I would think that a lot of people that I've heard about it older than you Um, now there's people out there that are younger like, you know No to the caliber that you do and have the big studio like you do I mean to do all of the things that you have in Dallas in Dallas. I don't think there's any But like in the united states when you start nitpicking, I mean like you got people like co bennett who's like I how old is he? That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking of he's young. I could look it up right now. He's probably like 23-24. Oh, okay Like yeah, yeah that young. Yeah. So like when you start comparing and he has his own studio and all of that No, he doesn't I don't need to see that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about have the things that you have But not co bennett. He could do it though.  So like in the industry like successful wise, he's definitely like with the What the running gun like he started just doing videos running gun, but he took it to that level I think we're all independent videographers want to get to you know, I mean, wow, you you're definitely uh when I when I think of all the things that that um, you rocking with man I value your opinion like who in Dallas Who's next man and and who are you seeing as dope a dope artist that you kind of like dang? That's a dope artist artist. Yeah Somebody just you see poking your head out. I mean right now. I like I like big X a lot.  I want to I want to work with big X. Yeah. That gotta happen Why haven't you y'all are like right over the street from each other? We both live in the grove, right? Yeah, that's why I'm like y'all are right there. No, I mean it's all management It's all time.  You know, I mean like I don't I don't I've never forced the video shoot.  What is it about big X that you love the most?  I think he go hard. I like that like Um, Colgatti right now is going really good. Colgatti. That's my guy Like what what I mean he I talked to him a few days ago, man When I say that's my guy like I love his ambition Yeah So that's the whole game. There's a couple people like like people that I've worked with that That I that I want to continue to work with like tonio hall like tonio hall is like Who's that? I never heard of him. All right.  He's that good. Yeah. I think like he's uh, he's a rapper singer. He's a singer. Okay He's a singer like a very r&b-ish style, but like his music is so hard. I think he's here in dallas He's here in dallas. He's just got signed to def jam. I think not too long ago tonio hall tonio hall Go look him up. You're gonna love his music. Oh, tonio hall guys y'all got to check him out Hey, listen when prophecy say something it's official like a referee with a whistle And rap wise who is the person that People haven't tapped into yet that you think that is going below. So Uh Rap wise Okay, like I don't know like let me give you another person right now that I think is gonna that can go That I like his music johnny johnny damdy.  It's probably gonna be video of the year to be honest Really? Yeah Yeah, it's hard when you say it's gonna be video of the year I don't I don't uh throw that word out. No, it ain't nothing you lose lose So so you know if i'm saying is because it's hard it's gonna be hard Oh, what's the video called? It's gonna be called uh bend murder bend murder bend and when is it coming out? Soon hopefully it's gonna be a summer hit like you know, I feel like okay I feel like maybe like in the may okay in the may is gonna probably be the time that we should drop it Top three visual uh videographers of all time Top three that you of all time that are like yeah videographers Damn, yeah, um right now. Dave mayors is number one. Dave mayors is number one. Dave mayors is number one I gotta write that down. Dave mayors. I'm gonna check him out. What project has is he known for? We've seen a lot of videos a lot of the kindrick. Okay. He's done futures. He's done I mean he does a lot of area. He does everybody anybody who's like when you see that video and it's hard It's probably him like I'm talking about like crazy like The best productions out That's tough. I mean I really you know Like of all time I just they married come on you can find Like I just be looking at the number one spot. I don't care I mean, I'm not for number one I'm not like if I see something that I feel like you're the best at that's all I care about But it's so great because I would think that in videography you have people who spend I know that There's a basic way of doing videography, but there's different specialties. So like somebody who's good in Yeah, I wear. Hype Williams is another director that inspired me a lot like all the miss the old missy ellie videos Okay, that's who did it. Okay. That was hype williams. I like creativity. Yeah, so I like stuff like that So it just so like Dave mayors hype williams I mean I gotta think about it because I don't you know Off the top of my head. I don't be thinking about directors and yourself Eventually Man, I thank you for coming on the show today Man, how can people get all day if they trying to rock with you man? Get that get that that that footage man. Just look above films by prophecy Man, you too. That's my instagram my facebook my everything just films by prophecy If you could go back to your younger self and and I asked this question very often like what would you What would you say to the younger you like if you could go back to that guy that was about just starting to get his first camera What would you say? I would say just uh Do it faster do it better Like take more risk like like take more risk because i'm very cautious, you know I mean so I would just say just take all the risk because it's gonna it's gonna work out Wow, because did you take risk back then? You know I did I've always taken like smaller risk Like you know, I mean like I take risk, but it got to a point where I started taking bigger and bigger risk I started risking more money. I started risking more of my time.   Yeah, it's gonna keep getting bigger, bro. This isn't man Just keep watching what I'm gonna do You gotta come and do me something so you can make me something dope like so I can put it up Whatever I gotta do to get it You just come through and do like a little behind the scene for me or something to give me something to Why I can make me a commercial? I know you got a lot going on, but you gotta do that for me You know, I'm saying Something dope so I mean so I could put it out and be like man prophecy deal this for boss talk I'ma come in here should a crazy music video man. Let's get it man. Hey, man It's been another great segment of boss talk one of one what a boss is talk and we out