Well, hello buddy for another afternoon edition of Dr. Jill live. I have a really special guest from across the world today from Prague and I can't wait to share the information today that he has that his company some of the things that they're doing to help us with electromagnetic frequency that's affecting all of us in our environment and actually as we were discussing right before he came on sometimes more I think it affects the mold and the virulence of viruses and some of these things that we maybe aren't even completely measuring but in a decade we're going to really find out all of the things that that we've done to our environment through chemicals and emfs etc. So, just a little housekeeping, you know you can find me at Jill Carney hand calm, all kinds of free resources there at Dr. Jill health. You can find a products and services and things like that. And if you haven't seen my products we love page, it's on my website under retail, you can also just search Dr Jill products we love. So my medic which is one of the products we're going to talk about today is there along with some of my other very favorite things, and I'm a real stickler for the kinds of things I promote. I do not use anything or even talk about anything, unless I love it and I feel a difference. So you can always count on me to give you the real scoop, because there's been a lot of companies that have approached me or that I've talked about, you know, talk to them about their products and I would never promote them because I wouldn't use them myself. So, you always know if I'm talking about something it's just out of the genuineness of my heart because I've found an effect and a benefit of that. And that's no different today. On the YouTube channel, you can find almost 90 episodes if you haven't seen some of my other episodes they're all there just search Jill Carney hand on YouTube and you'll see Dr Jill live playlist with loads and loads of interviews there. I've introduced my guests all the way from Prague. We had to arrange this a little different time for me because we had to make sure he wasn't sleeping in the middle of the night like a 2am interview. So, I think it's what time is it there you're a. It's, it's 820. No, 820pm. Yeah, reasonable at least before I think to do like a 3am interview. Yeah, we were scheduled for for 3am. Yes. So that's not right we you need your sleep to. So today we're going to be talking about some ways to create coherent energy in a world of the ms and I'll tell you in a moment how I met Yuri, because it was a fun meeting by chance. And then kind of the story the science behind some of it a kiss company and and what I found with his products. How do you say your last name.  Am I saying that correct. Yes, yes. Very coach are. He's an endless optimist you know I'm very energetic and intuitive and I remember meeting him and just his face light lit up with a smile and I, I knew there was something special. And I'll tell you in a moment where we met, but he is an endless optimist. I've known that and even the short time, knowing him passion to build and grow projects with meaning and purpose just like me. He's the CEO of some of that I can currently working on his dream project. This science based and broadly accessible frequency therapy device is helping people in the office and home environment to have more energy mental clarity and focus during the day and like I said I was delighted we actually met at Dave Asprey's biohacking conference in Florida last fall. We did a test for COVID as moment we walked in and then we did actually have a really successful big comrades and from what I heard there was not one person who was affected by COVID, even though it was a pretty large group of people meeting so that was really neat that that was successfully pulled off I thought they did a great job of really making everyone safe and also you know all of us that come are pretty health conscious so we've got our ways. We met in Dave's VIP dinner and just we're chatting over a glass of wine I think I don't usually drink much but I usually carry one around and have a sip just so that I'm not too awkward. Yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah, so I'm like one sip of that was all I needed, but it was really fun to meet you and Casper I believe and I don't know you two had known each other, and to hear about your company because I'm always looking for new things to help myself and my patients. I'm kind of a biohacker. And so I'm always looking for things and like I said in the beginning. I'll quickly tell my story with your product and then I'll let you go. So you want to try. And thank you for that. And I always track my bio, you know, rhythms with my ring my or ring there's other ways to do that I love that because you can see heart rate variability amount of deep sleep, your breath rate your heart rate your, you know, resting heart rate all those things and so I track that. And part of my interventions is very science based because say I use something with energetic frequency. I want to know, does this really affect me or is it just all in my head right. So my experience with this was like this weird little globe what is it and I'll show you what it looks like this is the one that I have it's the amber, and I love it. And it's not plugged in. Yeah, yeah this is plugged in mine I just pulled over from the plug so normally mine is lit up at the bottom to plug in. It's a little thing and again, I can't wait to hear what you have to tell us about it but my experience was, I put it in my bedroom, and for the first time my heart rate variability. It went 1.5 times what it normally was and I obviously track that I do lots of other interventions, and my deep sleep was better as well and the only thing I've really seen to affect that prior to using this was PMF. And I use that regularly but this, the PMF really increased my deep sleep, I would sometimes get literally 4050 60% of my night deep sleep, which meant times when I could actually get five, five and a half hours of sleep and get so many hours like three hours of deep that I'd wake up And this, like I said, the thing that I saw was heart rate variability, which we'll talk a little bit about that I don't want to spend the time now but I was like, Okay, there is something going on and then the second night, same thing. Third night, same thing so I had three interventions that really changed and since I've been using this I think we met in December, was it October, October. So I've probably been using this for two months, my heart rate variability average is the highest is ever been. So, that's my story, I want to hear from you. First of all, how did you start the company how did you get it tells go way back as far as your history and and you have obviously a dream for things with purpose and meaning like I do. So how did you get into some of it. Yeah, so, so first of all, thank you. Thank you for having me the Dr. Jill it's really like an honor and then even at the conference, I was so glad that I was able to talk to you and then yeah you're such a such a radiant person and nice nice. Yes, so, I'm the CEO of some of the technologies, but my dear friend actually started the company, he's the brain behind it. So, so, but there's, there's a very interesting story behind, behind the sum of addict as he was struggling with his, with his, with his health, with no organ failures and loopholes and various different things. Yeah, doctors were not able to to help him. So he started, you know, start to study like Chinese and diabetic medicine and different healing like properties of precious stones and minerals. And after some time, what did you say his health condition was I didn't catch that the issues. Yeah, well, he had some, some problems with, with liver and detox and loopholes. I want to make sure because our listeners will relevant and then you started to say he started to look into crystals so go on. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. So he started to look into, you know, into the East, how, how on the, how it basically was what are the traditions in Asia, you know, like how they are like healing these, these, these, this, not only symptom. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he was deep diving into, into various, various, various books and he was able, eventually, you know, to, to heal himself. So, after, after, after that, that he was successful. He was helping his friends and family of all, and then that was working as well. And he's not a, he's not a doctor. I mean, he's, he's an IT guy and mathematician, you know, so, but he was just doing it from from his own experience and because he wanted to help like he's his, relative. So, so, yeah, and, and again, after some time, he, he was, he found out that lots of these problems are caused by EMFs and, and geopedic zones and things like that. So, so he was thinking about like how to put together a device that would mitigate these effects. And, and the first thing that came to his mind was to turn to the precious stones and minerals that he had experienced with them. So, so he developed basically like a frequency therapy technology with a special like combination of precious stones and minerals that are working with each other and amplifying each other. So, these, this unique combination is creating the core of some of it. It's, it's what, what, what some of it is. So inside each of the some of it, as, as you showed, are there physically inside various various precious stones and minerals and then precious metals. So, in a nutshell, that's, that's how the summer ready came to be in 2010. In April, in April 2010, the very first unit device was was born and yeah so we last year we celebrated we had a 10th anniversary. And we entered the US market in 2019. Yeah, I was so excited and again I'm, I'm a little skeptical because I like the science but I also know that there's things that kind of are outside the realm of our typical, you know, Newtonian physics it's more in the quantum level and these things are real and you guys have heard me talk about some of the bio energetic devices like that I wear, and those are similar they actually contain gold and precious metals so I understand this and if you think about your teeth. When you get fillings and if you get like a metal crown here in another crown here you have these charges that some people have massive health effects because they have different metals in their mouth and they're interacting. And this is again very simplistic because I'm not the expert on some of this but in my mind it makes perfect sense because you're having charges and in this case it's coherence. Yes, metals, and it makes so much sense to me that it would affect my heart rate variability because we talk about heart rate coherence. So, just, if you haven't heard of heart rate variability heart math is a great program to learn about it and to actually practice. You can get that online or whatever, but the thing about heart rate variability, this is what helped me to understand. So, 20 years ago when I first started family medicine I was delivering babies and believe it or not I did all I delivered 200 babies in my first year and one of the things we would do is a heart rate monitor for the mother, intrauterine for the baby and whether you know it or not that is heart rate variability so it's beat to beat variability, and we would track the baby's health and well being inside in utero by watching the heart monitor because it was it should have this kind of beautiful sinusoidal curve where there's good variability. So, if it's real spiky and not coherent we call that the alarm would go off and we'd have to take that mother to see section because we knew that baby was in distress. So, we've used the technology for decades in labor and delivery to check babies health and decide when they are not okay when they're in, you know fight or flight when their sympathetic system isn't overdrive, because maybe they can't get oxygen or a doctor on their neck or something like that. And that's our decision basis to take them to the OR to do a C section. So that makes perfect sense now as adults we can measure the same heart rate variability and what we know is it correlates. If it's coherent it correlates with our parasympathetic system being in balance with the sympathetic. It's a calm alert state where we can rest and heal and thrive. So to me it's no surprise that this device actually changed my heart rate variability and coherence. Again, I don't know why but it's amazing to me because it did and I have the objective data to prove it, because that shows me that it had an effect on my sympathetic and parasympathetic system. So, tell me a little bit about your experience with the company I'm sure you've heard all kinds of stories and any stories or, or even your experience with healing with this device. Yes, of course. I mean, you, you mentioned the word coherency, which I would say it's, it's, it's the crucial word like coherency because the field that some of it is creating is, is like a coherent space, or it's, it's, it's a space that is allowing our bodies, not only our bodies and I can get back to that later, you know, to, to try to regenerate faster to start the cell healing processes. So, so what, what the users of some of it are experiencing most, what are the top five, like, like feedbacks or benefits is, number one is the improved sleep that that's what you experienced. Then it's the energy levels during the day. Yes. Yeah, mental clarity, getting rid of brain fog. Especially women experience fewer headaches or migraines and feelings of calmness and peace. So this, you know, this would be the most common basically experiences that we are getting from from from hundreds and thousands of customers.  Well, it has different effects on different people. So it's improving from sleep to to lowering the levels of free radicals to lowering headaches. So, so it's basically allowing the body to to to fix or whatever that there's wrong. That makes so much sense because we know physiologically when we're in fight or flight, which is a trauma response, we can't heal the work our bodies are. So what we do it's like back in the days when a lion came and we run, our body was not made to heal wounds while we're running it puts all resources into getting it. So it sends blood to the periphery away from vital organs, and it sends blood away from even the brain because all you're doing is just reacting with the base of your brain which is just a reactionary versus a cognitive frontal lobe kind of thing. So when we get back to whether it's dealing with our old childhood trauma or working with a therapist or relaxing or being in nature or being around water or resting or enjoying a meal leisurely without rushing. These things are things that we can do to increase that parasympathetic system, which is where we heal. So to me again it makes perfect sense anything any technology that will allow our body to go from fight or flight into a more parasympathetic parasympathetic state, we will experience more healing. And this is the most I've been like I said I've been doing this a long time 20 years in functional medicine. One of the most profound lessons that I've learned I can do infections and toxins all day long, but if that person that I'm sitting in front of that patient is in fight or flight and has sympathetic overdrive from post traumatic stress from mold from toxins or from infections. There's no way they can heal. So anyway that I can help that patient get into a rest and a healing parasympathetic state is profoundly beneficial, and maybe the most beneficial medicine that I do versus a pill right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So, so yeah, I mean we have, we have data from various labs various countries showing that it's improving the speed of solar generation in an emf environment and non emf environment that it's improving HRV just like in your case. And of course like we do have lots of biohikers or not even biohikers well basically people sending us screenshots from their aura apps. Yeah, deep sleep when went to the roof or HRV increase or yeah this sort of thing so so yeah so we have that it's lowering the levels of free radicals that people from from from questionnaires the doctors who are using we found out that people really just feel optimistic they feel feel calmer more and more in peace so we do have these various various data but of course like for some what's what's even you know more let's I think on interesting are the stories you know like that that various people are are experiencing. So, you know, me for myself when it was in 2018 when when I first time basically visited a friend of mine and he had this glowing colorful lamps all over his place. So, so, yeah, I asked him like like, what is it so yeah that's some of it again is doing this and that.  And then it went like magically away in within few months. The end doctors were not able to like fix me in within like in three or four years and but this help. And since then, you know, I had this calling in a way that I would like to also like help people, you know, on their on their on their journey like just by like sharing my story or whatever I found out. Like, when I stumbled upon some of it you guys are like, yes, this is it this is what I would like to do, because I was always thinking like on a scale I would like to help many people. So I started like yeah this is the great product you know like it's product. You can we can like distribute it all over the world. And then it could help many people so and so when I asked him like, like, what are what are what are the stories and he said like you know like they're really, really like let's say crazy or interesting stories about that. You know, he gave it to a friend of his and like he started to you know he said like I had to run three times to toilet a day you know it was never happening. Yes, the details was just happening.  And he has two office assistants. And he plays the he plays the some of it there. And, and, and they were you know, they didn't know what it is and they were let's say like let's say fighting a bit you know but but it was okay. And he said, and he called us we said like you wouldn't believe it but they stopped fighting you know that there are no they are not arguing, but what was what was even more like like funnier was that about about about after two years. And one of the LEDs stopped working, which means there's something wrong with the summer very, and one of them approached our, our, well, our colleague or another colleague, a friend, the car distributor and told him, you know, there's something's wrong with the device on the table, because we are fighting again. So, yes, and they didn't know like they had no idea what's what's some of it. So this was, yeah, this is just just just one of the stories. Another one, really great one, we have from from our advisor from Silicon Valley. And, and so we've sent him one, you know, to just to test it out, mainly he wanted to test the water, you know how the water, for water taste and everything. And after about two months, he started to send me photos of, of, of leaves in his plants in his living room he said like you right like they are two to three times bigger than they used to be like we've never experienced this. So, and we get this, we get this, let's say quite often from from from people that their plans are bigger or grow faster or anything like that but, but the special thing with with with him was that he had a parrot that had no no feather. No, it was without feathers. Yeah, for the, for the, yeah, for the last five years they had it for 10 years or something like that, but for the last five years, he had no feather feathers and and he said that within those two months, the feather grew back. Wow. And he said like we didn't change anything like we are just like the same food, same water like nothing changed. The only thing that came into our home was was the soma very unfortunately then it flew away because they were used to that it that it can't flies and they were saying but yes you know so it's not the field that the soma very is creating is not only affecting us, but whatever living organisms are are in its reach. Wow, I love that the bald parrot the grew feathers and flew away. And again, you can't make this up like the parrot and the plants and again I know this works like there's no doubt in my mind I would never be talking about it if it didn't. I have the objective data but for people who are out there like what in the world this doesn't make sense, I want you to know that like this this kind of energetic stuff really has a potential effect to heal and I think so I really believe in the next decade functional and integrative medicine what I do is going to have to really embrace some of these things that seem mystical or mysterious, because this is where at the cellular level things really change and again I can give vitamin C all day long, and it wouldn't have the power of getting someone to a better heart rate variability, or vitamin D or whatever those things are so I love love those stories. And again I'm sure you have many more patients. So it's a it's a, it's when we are talking about the field, it's really basically hard to measure it, like there are almost no devices how you can measure the field because it's you can't measure it in in hurts. It's no like a harmonious frequency, I mean like like the feedback or something like that. But what we can do is the measure the effects of that field, you know, we can tell the before and after, but I'm pretty sure that like that. So we do have in, in, in, like, we are measuring it with bio resonance devices. And there are some clinics in Alliance of Francisco that that are able to to measure this but again, the, it is the effects of, of the somebody, not the field, not the field itself. So I had no way to measure except for my own heart rate variability I was like okay, and one night is one thing right but after night after night when I saw it was consistent I was like okay this is a significant and it was statistically significant it wasn't just like to, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we did have, you know, because, you know, like people, I always try to tell people, you know, we do have, we do have very interesting data, we have very interesting testimonials, but even for for some, you know, they are not sure if to go for it or not. And we do have a 60 day money bag guarantee. I was going to ask that I was literally going to say well what about could people try it because for me, that's what I have to do with anything I talk about it's like I got to try it. And there's been a lot of things I've rejected because I didn't notice anything. So that's amazing that you have that. Yes, yes, so basically it's risk free for anybody, you know, to test it out and decide if yes this is worth the money or this is this is not worth it and they can just send it back and we'll just refund them. And send them a refund because there was one chiropractor in LA. We've sent him we've sent him the sum of edict and and after about four weeks at that time I was in San Francisco it was in 2019. I had a call with him and, and he was teasing me a bit and he said you know like you're right it's you know, I don't feel anything. I'm not sure if it's working I said like, yeah well this is also happening some people don't feel its effects and that's that's fine it doesn't mean it's not working. It's just, you can feel it but of course you can send it back, or anything like that but and he said like, no, no, I mean, I don't feel anything, but my wife, she loves it she sleeps better, you know and he said, like, her mood is better. I'm not giving the I love it. That's great. Oh my gosh and there is something to I will say like those of us like I'm an empath and a highly sensitive person. So I actually really notice homeopathics and things that are very gentle and maybe more in the energetic nature than anyone who noticed these these things, but even so like you said there's benefits, probably even if you don't notice it. Talk about the water because the structuring of water is very interesting. I actually in the beginning set my water right beside it and drink that the next day. Tell us just a little bit about the structured water benefits. Yes. So, you know, we structured water is the most bio available state of water that that we can get. And unfortunately, now we can find it only only in nature, which makes sense in flowing rivers. It's not in tap water plastic or glass glass bottles and anything like that. It just loses its structure and the way how you can you can I mean tell under a microscope is that if you would freeze it. The way of the water crystal would be let's say cal caltec it wouldn't be like a nice nice shape. But if the water is structured. It would has very like symmetric shape very like snowflake shape and and the pioneer in in in this was the doctor of Japanese scientists Masaru Emoto, who, who you know, made it more to the mainstream about about the structured water effects and how emotion even emotions are changing the water and the structuring the water. So, so yes, drinking structured water is the the best water we can be drinking in terms of bio availability and hydration. But the way how some of it is doing it is the same way how it's basically mitigating the emf effects or is positively affecting like living organism, it's the field. In some of this field that is structuring the water that means you only basically plays a jaguar jaguar water next to the device and in about 1520 minutes it's structured and the way how you can tell is usually that the taste taste is different. More and more smooth more and more silky you just you just like lots of people can taste some not of course, but but some really can taste can taste the difference. And one example, one of one of our colleagues when she she was starting with us. She said, you know, like, I had a lot of migraines and I was drinking like a gallon of water and they are still feeling thirsty. And we gave her some of Eddie and she started structured water. And she said, you know, like, I'm drinking half of what I'm used to drink. The migraines are gone and I don't feel thirsty anymore, you know, so, so this is like an example when you drink the right type of water I would say. This is huge. I deal with a lot of mold toxicity and one of the things that mold does to patients is affect their hydration regulation so they drink and they pee and they drink and they pee and they can't stay hydrated. So I bet this would be a really great thing for those patients. Well, this is just so exciting to hear from you and hear all the background. I put a link wherever you're listening at to the podcast to the website. So you can check these out yourself. Take a look, try them out 60 days for free. I have the Amber unit and I love it. But there are other units and there's some of them that are incredibly affordable. So this the more affordable ones they still they just do a smaller space is that right like less crystals. So if someone wants to try and maybe can't afford the, the, the biggest unit or the most expensive one they can try this for just a few hundred dollars. Yes, yes, yes, we have like a portable ones, you know that are designed for cars or hotel rules and then we have the we call it like the essential models that start at the $700 and and yeah the best seller. The, the, the, yeah, the all in one the best power to ratio is the is the Vedic. And yeah so so that's where we get most refuse and and and feedbacks and everything because it's really like the, yeah, the, the most versatile I would say it has it's strong enough to mitigate a 5G. It has the, it has the water structuring capabilities and the field that it's creating is about 100 feet radius, like up down left right. And it is penetrating like walls. So, in case you are thinking about where to place, ideally place the device, it would be somewhere in the middle of your apartment or home, and usually one is enough one for the whole home is enough. And in case you would like to have it like closer, then you can put it closer to the bedroom. Wow, well this is absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for your time today and the information. And, like I said I'll be sure and link up to your website so that people can learn more.  Thank you, thank you, Dr. Joe for having me I really enjoyed it and and yeah. You are so welcome.


What's everybody Jason for Jasper's case breaks calm?  So again, you get a piece of these teams In the break random number block style So you get a random number from 0 39 and we go by the first number on the left side of certain number dash There's your examples there remember any one-on-ones go to spot one any in all redemptions go to spot zero And any non numbered cards will be randomized to the group of customers in here So Chris is the one that got one spot and then will Sold it out got the last nine So they go then zero one two three four five six seventy nine Let's roll five and a five ten times one two three four five six seven eight nine Ten hold down to will oh sorry deleted the zero through nine eight seven six five four three two one zero ten times one two three four five six seven eight nine ten ten times Four down to zero All right, so Pretty much guys Chris got spot one so any one-on-ones for Chris and they will got everything else so any in all redemptions And of course if there's any not numbered cards that would be randomized to everybody there So there you go will Chris congratulations or not congratulations. Good luck In a separate video, we'll be starting the break Good luck to everybody. Thank you guys


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Okay I'm just doing this out of obligation. It's really one episode, but okay. Let's just get this over with hey guys This is my top five worst episodes of season four Yes, this title is more so for clickbait if anything But I still wanted to do it because I'm keeping with the tradition There really isn't any and funny enough with the last few seasons has gotten harder and harder to find Bad episodes and for this season there was only one episode that came in below par So that's pretty decent So for any of you who watch the series you know how it ends, but either way I'm gonna do top five This is just my opinion don't hold it to me, but I guess you can These are just my opinions But again these episodes have been out for over 10 years now So it's all subject to matter and blah blah blah there aren't any honorable mentions So we're starting off with number five and this one's probably gonna get a few of you a little bit perturbed It's monster at the end of the book now this one. I don't like the first half of it I like the idea of Chuck being a prophet and how they would use this later on the show but the entire concept of Sam going to lay with Lilith and You just know that's obviously not gonna happen But everything in the episode is trying to make you believe that what Chuck sees is going to happen I think I made a comment in the review for this episode that this needed to happen things like this needed to happen to have a Chuck character kind of be grounded, but at the same time still kind of have relevance to the entire Plot thread for both season four and season five But it's just not as well executed as I think it should have been but it also put the writers into a literal block They couldn't really get around it so they had to drive through it not in the best of means obviously now number four Is another one that I'm not really happy about saying but again score wise is metamorphosis I feel really shitty about this one because it was the last episode that Kim Manners directed perhaps his health was starting to get really in the way of himself and Also, they're still kind of coming up with the idea of The story for the brothers and while the brothers really have a very annoying and very bitter Back and forth like child dialogue throughout this whole episode This is one of the best episodes for a one-off monster because you feel for the guy you actually have sympathy for the monster And you don't really have that much in supernatural and eventually would get worse So you wouldn't really have it at all later on so I do like that Manners was able to give us a Character that while the episode itself might not be as good as it could have been I still remember this character So really this is me defending this episode. But yeah, the whole brother bit was just so childish show Boring so repetitive that it takes this episode in half. It cuts it in half because it just it Bogs it down when there's such a great Developing character story happening in this episode. So that's why it's number four number three is Chris Angels a douchebag Now this one actually has a very funny name But I feel that they went with the name and the kind of the concept just because they didn't have much else This episode is in the block of the filler episodes that followed the mid-season finale for season four I do like the aspect of the older magician kind of have being in a has been Kind of wishing for the glory days and unwittingly Using dark magic used by one of the other magicians if you really want to bring it down to brass tacks It's like the faith episode in terms of someone getting something at the cost of someone else's life Really that could be bogged down to a lot of different supernatural stories But that one in particular this one just wasn't as funny as you thought it was going to be The concept of it doesn't really Blow it out as well as you think it would and it ends really sad I think that's probably the best part about this episode is that it ends on such a somber note that That's the part that I remember the most is that in the end no one wins Even though they technically stop an evil, but otherwise it's just it's a me episode to me It's a kind of middle-of-the-road. I'm really just kind of pulling excuses out of my ass here number one I have a lot of gripes with but let's get on to number two number two is sex and violence I like the idea of sirens and I like how they were proposed into this episode But at the same time the overacting is not the greatest from the two of them Especially when they're both infected like I understand that they're supposed to be Overzealous of each other. They're supposed to be infatuated with the siren guy and they're supposed to be Over the top for each other But it just comes off as very corny comes off very cheesy and it's funny enough too that I complain about it considering this is kind of the Building platform for the divine that would happen between the brothers. There already was Materials technically speaking just with what Sam was doing with Ruby But this episode was the one that started to really put it together Again kind of going back to season one a very similar kind of concept to that of asylum in terms of infatuations or Manipulation of the main characters, but it just doesn't come off as great as you think it would and despite the subject matter of this episode It's very forgettable. So that's kind of why it's here and now number one. This is actually an episode. That's bad Family remains. I know there are some people who like this episode I know there's some who like the idea of regular humans being monsters and I just I just can't take it seriously If this was an actual person in this situation She'd be dead. This person would be frail bones. It would be barely anything.  I don't like the concept of it.  I hate the stupid twist with the twin brother thing even though it's gross I think it more so goes for that gross factor The only good parts about this episode would say is that goose bumps has that kind of connection with The weird girl and then the hand licking bit that happens where the girl thinks it's the dog But it's actually not that's a urban legend sort of idea and I like that I thought that was cool, but otherwise I don't like how this episode goes through the family is so goddamn cliche The whole night vision bit doesn't make any sort of sense in terms of how they're portraying it I don't understand why it's like they wanted to have a found footage bit in it Even though it's not a found footage episode and the fact that it's the mid-season return just bogs this episode down so Badly it just sucks. I don't like it. It's my least favorite episode of this season If there was one episode I could take out of this season, it would be this one I would have gone with Chris angels a douchebag being the mid-season return over this episode because I just it just sucks And there you have it those are the five worst episodes in my opinion of this season Honestly, I was just pulling excuses out of my ass for all them except the first ones But now I'm gonna do a video talking about the best ones and least to say there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven Honorable mentions alone. There's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be a long video. Anyways guys. Thank you for watching this video I hope you enjoyed it. 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So first of all, thanks for coming. The idea of the talk is basically to share some experiences. The other day we were talking with some people from the Debian publicity. And we came to the same conclusion that basically even though the topic is related to Debian, like could be related to other Linux's, the idea is basically to get a perception of how big the project is or what the impact of your work is. So basically we work in a company that builds a satellite. My name is Erg, he's a team. When you think of a satellite you really don't think about stuff like this. Which in fact those are satellites. They are classified as nanosatellites, which means in comparison to something that weighs between 1,400 kilograms. It's really ridiculous. Those weigh 2 kilograms. So basically a company we work for is called Satelloshik. It started building satellites like three years ago. We already launched it prior to the satellite we're going to dedicate the whole talk about that we're called Capitan Beto and Manolito. Those are them. Those satellites orbit at 600 more or less, 600 kilometers. So they are cataloged as low-airbit satellites. That's because basically commercial satellites or commercial-grade satellites usually are 2,000 kilometers. They are 20,000 kilometers, a little bit more than that. So basically the idea of these two satellites which are, as I mentioned, 2 kilograms and 10 and 20 centimeters for what's average consumption, power consumption. They are really very small. There's something like a little bigger than this, but square. They have those form factors because they are prepared basically to be launched from... We are going to show the images later from satellites that deliver like 50 or 70 of them in a single flight. Basically the idea to test stuff. For example, that's the first one we shipped in July 2015. And this one was a little bit more advanced in terms of the parts that were... Sorry, not advanced. They were basically spin-off on the original design. So the idea behind the launching was to see whether a company has the capacity, the technology, the means, and basically to see whether it was really feasible to do technology. The company is eradicated in Argentina, but we have quite a couple of people from different parts of the world. So in this satellite, which is Manolito, some of the components were replaced with things built in-house. So the idea is that 40-year-old space industry works like world-proof technology. So to be world-proof, you have to first have an experience or spend some time in the space, which means 10-year iterations because satellites really tend to take from 4 to 6 years, 4, 5, 6 to 10 years to be designed, built, and shipped. The idea basically with the company is, well, in this case was to replace some components. Between others, there was a camera, some magnetorcas that you see to basically use the magnetic field over there to grab from it and to... To control the attitude. Yeah, so basically there are several components that control the attitude of the satellite. This particular one is like one of the forces that tends to turn the satellite in different directions. They are component. Between the camera, magnetorcas, reaction wheels, solar panels, and some other stuff will basically replace it in-house. But yet the view was to come. I mean, this is 2 kilograms, maybe it would be... They are catalogue as nanosatellites, but they are basically experiments to play with. If you were in the talk with... I remember it was Vdale. He mentioned he was basically going to deliver. He was building one of these. He was referring to literally one of these. So Tita was a satellite that jumps a little bit farther. It's considered a small satellite. It's no longer like a nanosatellite. So as I mentioned, the idea of the company differing from different companies doing space observation of Earth is that it's based on relief, release often, release early. So the regular space industry works on like 40 years cycles. The technology improves little by little. It's almost the dimensions, as I mentioned, the weight of a regular satellite, which is not this one.  It's basically between 50 and 100 million dollars to get built. Some of them are even like near the two or 500 million dollars. They're prepared to have a life expectancy of 10 years. So basically they are built to last for longer times than these kind of approaches. But the idea of the company is basically to build something that you know about, you learn, and to improve and release faster, way faster in terms of time. So this is Tita. This is an engineering model that is digitalized. It took between... So it was launched literally one year ago at the previous day. We were just releasing it. It costed like 250 in terms of building. So those are like to have an idea, comparison to 100 million. It's significantly different. 250,000 dollars compared to 100 or... Sorry, 100 or even more to be one of those. So as I mentioned, the designing, the building, the engineering took eight months approximately to build two of them because basically on the industry you cannot build the software and, well, generally speaking, build the software or build the hardware and later improve some stuff without testing it. It's like regular software in terms of basically pushing into a testing environment or pre-production or QA, whatever. So basically we built two satellites in eight months, the engineering model, which is called Rhodesia, which is called... I don't hear my finger. No? There. Which is called Rhodesia. The first time I saw the shipping box, which is that one, I thought of this image. I don't know if anyone recognizes it. The image is not really very good in the projection. Anyway, so meanwhile in Russia, the satellite basically... So you can launch satellites from several parts of world. Basically, the difference is the price. Nowadays, commercially speaking, you can launch from China, Russia, France, I mean, the European Union and the US. Well, the difference being like 10 times between them. So we launched from Russia. This is part of our crew. There you have HEDA, which is our CTO. You have VILA, which is our payload engineer. And Garza here. He's a mission and power engineer. They were preparing their... They were unboxing and loading the satellites from the shipping box. I'm going to show you just more images to have an idea. These are power cells. More power cells. Well, we're going to see more images. So this is basically unloading the satellite on the space head model. So these satellites are basically loaded on these things. That's the head of an average rocket from Russia. It was actually used as a... How do they call it? Never mind. It was basically a missile a couple of years before that. Yeah, intercontinental missile. So this is basically how the satellite is positioned. We can see very here. So basically this is... You can see there at the top corner, different boxes. Those are the launchers. You have the satellites in there. And you see there's a small raven, red raven there. Those are basically the remote before launch ravens. So they are checks. Those boxes are literally ejected by a powder charge. So you don't really want to... You don't really want to buy missile checkers before getting launched. These safety things are called remote before flight tax. So that's the distribution of the satellite internally. That's the rocket head. So you have a perception. This one was... I don't really know how to pronounce it. It's deeper than whatever. Space head model. So those are payloads. So to have an idea, that's basically a large footprint satellite. Those are regular satellites that are involved in communications and traditional Earth imaging. So as I mentioned, the launch was a little bit before the conflict last year. We have that crazy idea which ended up... Yeah, which didn't work because we were just after the launch and we were very excited with the telemetry and whatever. We were thinking of, yeah, let's go like a photo group and let's do the... How do you say it's here? Deviant swirl in the floor and let's wait for a satellite pass so we take a picture from there. It was a little bit too... How can I say it? Yeah, well, it was a little bit crazy. Anyway, I'm going to show you why later. So the satellite process of getting lunch is very stressful. Basically, the components that are built into the satellites have scales of micrometers, predictions, like the telescope. So a lot of testing is required prior to get lunched. There's also a large budget of tests scheduled at the release of the satellite from the launching platform. Basically, once the satellite gets lunched, it has to go through a process of getting sync into the desired trajectory. It's a very large amount of calculation. So the idea is once you get lunch, you get like a black curtain. It's something that you have to wait in the corner of the table waiting for someone or some entities, governments or whatever to tell you the lunch has been really successfully performed. Otherwise, you're not going to see it. It's too small to be self-former. It's not like the International Space Center station. So basically, you will release and just wait. So luckily enough, we have amateur hand radars all around the world. One of them, 30 minutes after deploying the satellite from the launcher, saw the telemetry beacon. That's basically it. So it's basically like a string notation of I'm satellite. If you see me, drop me an email in this direction. This is literally the stream you see on the floor. So by the time it got released, we were like... So as I said, after 30 minutes of getting lunch, this guy at Japan saw the telemetry. He saw it like with 24 minutes of time. That's UPT, it's uptime. So basically the whole sequence of launching, deploying the un-finance for communication and everything was in those four minutes. Just after it was released, this person was like, you know, able to hear it. Those are the musicians. You can see Teenie here. That's in. That's the lunch party. We also have a sales too. I don't know if you know what a sales is. They are great. No, those are not barbecue. Never mind. So basically, what's about it? Hello. And what's Debian about Tita? So what about Tita and Debian? This is the heart, the Tita's heart. Tita has two sets of computers. One in charge of navigation and communication protocol. And the other in charge of mission and payload. Well, in fact, has two hearts. From the heart perspective, every Torino. That's why it's called Torino. Torino 2K, the first one was called Torino. I don't know why. Every Torino has Cortex R4 with lockstep and a set of six overall come sticks that you can see there. Vertical orientation. They have Cortex A8. Another switch and the rest of the satellite is compounded by a high resolution Earth observation telescope camera and a couple of macro black and white and color cameras.  It's not there. No. Reaction wheel, gyroscopes and magnetic torque. As we, as he said, Tita was launched on 19 July last year. While the system D discussion was getting warm, we put system D on Debian. We put it on six overall, six come sticks and launched them. To make a note, we basically put it and port it. It wasn't like safe enough. So we basically put it there and release it on the space. System D was a key at many core services. Because it allowed us to handle recovery automatically on service expected to be eventually running. We shortened that the voting time from 30 seconds to less than 10 seconds. Which is really critical on the satellite operation. What we use from the Debian infrastructure is a chain building cross compiling, GBP, it will package workflow and pay bill there, a software deployment tool. We are resting on DPKG, Robo's platform and state machine for deploying software. We needed to minimize new upstream releases, releases footprint, because we have a very, very low bandwidth. So on top of the Debian format, we build something similar to delta dev. Which is present on the archive. Except that DD patch is optimized for non-binary stuff. This is the workflow. As you can see the operation there, the operation guys upload the diff. That's a satellite link. The green arrow is the satellite link. They put the diff in there, then it triggers an attended upgrade which calls the patch with the previous dev in the git diff. Actually, the diff is used, we use git in there. And then generate the new dev and deploy of six of a gamma six. So I don't know if you can understand this. So basically the idea is we just push diff. That DD package which is something we built on house and we will in a couple of weeks put in the archive is really simple, but the consequences for us are huge. So basically we patch a dev from the original, sorry, the previous version with the git diff. Actually to build the diff, you have the old dev and the new dev. The previous dev, the new dev and you unpack them and then do the git diff. You apply the patch to the source and they compress it. But this allows basically to lower down the footprint of a package from dev delta, sorry, delta dev from 10K or 15K to even less than 1K. Which was great because one of the things with the link is that the satellite spins at 7,000 kilometers per hour. It's basically like 24, 7 kilometers per second or something like that. It's very quick, so it's very fast. Once it goes through the ground stations, we have one in the north pole that belongs to Norway at Svalbard. Which is great because since we have polar orbits, every 19, 7 minutes we get telemetry and communications from there. But also we have communication ground stations on Buenos Aires, on Tortuguitas. Once you get a session for transmission, you really want to get the most out of it. Because that's basically one of the parts of the orbit in which you upload commands and you then get the whole task processes and the images. You have 10 minutes. Yeah, so basically you have to really, really go for it. One of the funny things we came through, the release process as I mentioned before, sorry, the release cycle of TETA was eight months. Those eight months include basically the building, literally building pieces of the satellite engineering mechanics, getting the telescope, the thermal protections, joining all the pieces together, the integration process, the shaking. As I mentioned, the process of launching the satellite is very stressful in terms of the mechanic parts. So you have to go through a process called shaker which basically shakes the satellite at three, four, five Gs, something like that. It's crazy, you see it moving. Remember, you have nanometer precision on the telescope. You see that being shaken and it's very scary. As I mentioned, the whole process is very rushy. I mean, even though it's eight months, those eight months includes everything in the process. Even the design of the software is going to run there. One of the funny experiences we work through is that you may know it as Cluster SSH. For us, it's internally called as Parallel Breaker. Parallel Breaker. Well, this is actually very funny in terms of the experience we went through, but it's extremely similar to Apollo 13 Odyssey, I mean, making a comparison. So you can see here, those are basically the six of Earth. Overs are these things, those things, which are literally the pieces that have deviant on it. So those things have, as he said, those are, so you can see the switching area there. Those are two different boards that communicate between each other through the backplane, and you have a switching for Ethernet. So basically they have IP stack on top of them. So what happened is that, what were you doing that day? You were uploading software for the camera or something? No, I just cleaned it up. So he was basically doing some, yeah, the last clean, literally. He was basically performing some cleaning operations. We were to literally ship the satellite to the shaking facility the next day. So that's SSH. It basically opens a console there at the right top. You type commands there and it gets split on all your terminals. So you connect from the computer to a satellite through something that is called an umbilical cable, which is umbilical. It basically is a cable that you unplug once the satellite is shipped, but it emulates communication if you were with an Athena. The idea was that, and this link is really fast in comparison to the real link that happens on Earth orbitation, but it even emulates latency. Because, I mean, you have to have behaviors that are reproducible on Earth. So the latency in this situation was something like a, you might see there at the top corner that there's just very small amount of lines. That's basically, um, that's basically RM slash RMFF from the route. I didn't know safe RM. Yeah, definitely you have to install safe RM. It's less than 1K or something. I'm going to definitely save, for example, a satellite. So basically the thing was that a little delay on the screen made him to, you know, push enter. The other didn't refresh and he went through something like that. We basically started to delete everything from the hard drives. So you have to take into account that, as I mentioned, these satellites, you put it into something that shakes, and those are not hard drives. You can, you know, unplug and replace and put something in. Literally they're glued together with a high density epoxy. Epoxy, yeah. So as you can see there, once he breaks, he conserved there at the first line. There was no LS. So there were just a little bit amount of directories. Some of them were like documentations, which were useful. Sorry, useless. The opposite. Yeah, the opposite. But, and this is the part that correlates with Apollo thing. There was a QAMU statically compiled on the server, which, For boost trapping. Yeah, for boost trapping, which had activated and compiled the remote functions. This crazy guy called Phil, that works for us, he's French. I don't want to make any relationship between French and anything, but this guy basically built, well, he found the part where he could drop at AirSync from a GDV. He basically opened GDV remotely. That's it. From a different, which was the one that really went through the common successfully. And basically he recovered the whole thing from a remote GDV platform. Basically he loaded the, yeah, he loaded the AirSync so he could remotely load files from there to, through GDV on, on Divagini was crazy. So basically he said, Jim, that was funny. Actually he's, this experience took, I summarized it, but they took like 16 hours. They eventually went through all the different possibilities of, you know, breaking the thing and replacing, luckily enough, we have QAMU there. Anyway, that was a very funny experience once you go through it. Not that. Yeah, so he, so one of the crazy things that, he was the guy that did that, he run that common, but, well, yeah. So another crazy experience was that, well, we have operations, right? So we have people that have a list of tasks to go through and to check, like a regular operation guy in an IT company. So this guy, one day, let's call it Facundo. So Facundo was having his nice tea at the office and he was reviewing, you know, the last activity from Tita, the satellite. And he wasn't really even close to, you know, imagine what he was going to be put through. So that's basically one of the images from, downloaded from the satellite. So at the third glance, it appears that, you know, it's a regular image, it's a black and white image, but what's that? I mean, that's not really, so from the orbiting perspective, that's not actually a satellite. So we basically were through three hours or maybe more, putting names to that thing. So eventually, we realized that we were going to put watermarks on that image, so we don't get that image split all over the internet.  So what happened is that the CEO and this guy basically uploaded in a very hidden way, like uploading EXA, this image, like three months before this guy downloaded it, and eventually this guy got this image. And everyone in the company started to think this image was real, but it was in fact, you know, pushed it from Earth and eventually downloaded from the satellite. Everyone was thinking, you know, we are going to invade or something that's the beginning of the end and whatever. So we do have a lot of metrics. So we basically have, like, I don't remember exactly the number. We have literally tons of metrics per minute. We don't even store them because otherwise we're going to destroy the internet storage. Some of the information is later queued from the download. We use tags also. If you know Grafana, you can see those red lines that are tags. That's basically telemetry. You can see temperature there. You can see uptime. So these things have something that are RTC. So they are devices that have their own power to basically get a clock running, even though the satellite is off, for example, because of power reasons. Telescopes tend to consume a lot of power, so they might eventually take your satellite down. So that's the battery there. That's the current. That's the mission operation. So basically you have, like, when you go through cruise mode, so there are different modes of operations. Like, you have the satellite going in... Regularly it goes in tumbling. This is called tumbling, right? So basically the satellite spins one degree per second. So it doesn't receive... So the satellite, as you saw in the images, is basically a large CPU box, something like this, a very old CPU box. And it has some thermal protection, but if you basically rest on a single position through the whole orbit and you get the sun of the light directly to the telescope sensor, you can basically consume a lot of power into a single point. So basically the satellite is running on a tumbling mode, like it spins very slowly. Thank you. So that's basically disinformation. The screen is not really projecting very well. So basically this is a satellite going like this. It's like spinning. You can see the information. Oh, yeah, that's all, also. So the satellite has some hardware on it that helps change the attitude. So basically it grabs from the Earth field and some reaction wheels, which are basically like wheels with very, very high precision. So basically they grab... Well, basically that's information you get from the sensors. That's part of the information. All of them are attitude components. So those are reaction wheels, gyroscopes, gyroscopes refined, mining torquers. That's more information. That's actually a TCP dam running from the devices that run Debian. Those are literally ARM devices stock. I think we just compiled the kernel because of some drivers of the ARM chipsets. But it's basically stock. So that's telemetry. Yeah, I cannot even see it from here. Well, that's more information. This is one actual image taken from the satellite. I think it was the first month the satellite was released, which was like... You can see and hear the projection. This is like a model. Baxat is the name that is distributed using the satellite community. It's theta slash Baxat. Baxat. Yeah, that was basically a Baxat satellite, which was kind of fun. So this is the image that is projected in here. This is like the computerized projection, like the expectation, which is literally matching, as you can see. So fun enough, this was... As you can see and a stripe in here, this was the Florida peninsule. You can see Canaveral there, Disney, Miami. It's like the continents in this direction because the peninsule like this. This is another image. Well, the screen is not really helping us here. This is an image. This is the atmosphere scattering, removing the atmosphere scattering. So we are just finishing. We realize this is kind of fun once you are talking about it, but it's not fun when you are getting all the images there. We found that indeed the world does really have clouds.  Yeah, every single time. We were getting images. There were a lot of them, like, no, really. Not about women, really. Every single time it goes... It went through a very interesting position for us. We were like, you know, half or more part of the time getting images from clouds. So that's basically it. As we mentioned, this was basically something we found fun doing and we wanted to share with you so you have an idea of what a truly universal operation system is. Basically, those are deviant running on what they are called single-core computers, but they are literally computers like this desktop or wherever, or a server. They have very, very, very slight cosimizations on the kernel, mostly, well, on the system D by that time. But they are basically stock deviant there. So, you know, at least for me, it gives me a perspective of what I do and deviant really helps building this universal operating system. Okay, so we are out for questions. If you have any, just raise your hand. Any questions? No questions. There we are. It was too good or too bad? Very interesting talk. Are you putting updates regularly, for example, when new point release goes, are you on some different mode of updating software there? So, you want to talk about that? Yeah, we upload weekly updates to the satellites, but the satellites live for three years orbiting, so we just launch with Weezy and it goes down with Weezy. Yeah, so basically, that's actually true. So one of the things of having an orbit satellite is that it will eventually get drowned by the Earth field and get literally burned, so maybe it will happen three years, maybe more, maybe less. But as you might guess, security updates are not really that mandatory. They are really, really welcome. I mean, we do operates in terms of... So far, for example, the other day, we uploaded for some of the metric collective systems a Python LXCM compressor system, a compression algorithm, which basically for us is great because we have an attendant upgrade there, we just put the file in some place as that diagram. We just put a file there, it gets written on the NV RAM, then it gets pushed through the deviance, if they have to build, they build the package, otherwise if they recognize there's a dev, they just distribute it, they deploy them through the whole devices. So we do perform updates, yeah. Questions? No questions. Two questions. Awesome. What are roughly the specifications of one of those OBEROS RAM and disk and so on? It has one gigahertz of the clock, one gigabyte of RAM, 5012 of flash, built-in on the single chip. We have a micro SD card. Basically for bootloaders, right? Yeah, yeah, for... Small storage, yeah. Micro SD card with the 8 gigabyte for... Yeah, those aren't the regular SD cards. They are like... Is that five? Okay. Those are like... They are very similar, SD. Instead they are like enterprise, micro SD, something like that. So they have these correction algorithms. So as summary, it's not really the mission of the company to build huge and very, very HA-tolerant systems because you are going to deliver one every couple of months. So we do have redundancy in very specific areas that are critical and that they tend to fail. For example, these are... Those are basically where all the computing happens. This chip... The one there has... Which is called TMS. The TMS is a computer that... Very small computer. It runs free RTOs. It's basically just for switching on the communications and switching... Well, it controls thermal and power. Yeah, it controls thermal. It turns on heaters. The device goes from minus 20 or minus 30 degrees to 80. So some parts of the satellites are very critical in terms of temperature, like the batteries. If you expose the batteries to... Let's say... I think Karsa told me like... 10 degrees. Yeah, so if you expose the batteries, which are LiPo... LiPo? Is that... If you expose the batteries... Sorry? If you expose the batteries to less than 10 degrees, the life expectancy shortens down like half in a month. So they have like, you know, heaters and stuff that basically makes the whole temperature of the satellite go nice and easy. And those are like part of the... Well, actually we made this on radiation of every single piece of there, including the microSD card. Right. So one of the things we do on the satellites that are part of the, you know, regular space industry tests are going through, as he mentioned, radiation tests, because one of the things you cannot avoid is physics there. So radiation happens, and once you are, you know, at 600 kilometers, you get really radiated, irradiated. So we do test them for radiation. It's one of the things we do from the standard industry as shielding stuff, like, you know, really you cannot avoid. But those things aren't prepared for space. We build them, we design them, we test them before in the other months, and they keep running. And they just got one year running, which for us was like, you know, a celebrating thing. But yeah, we test them and they are running. Yeah. We have one minute, one question. Do we have one question, Ma? Yes. Yes. I just want to ask, can we write emails to the email address? Oh, yeah. Of course. Actually, if you, there's something, our CEO, Herat, tends to say that if you can break into the satellite, you are definitely directly hired. So it's like, yeah. Maybe we have time for one more question. Maybe one more question. There we go. Your system is quite limited in the space. So the question is, is the minimal Debian installation small enough, or would you like to see a more compressed, small Debian that you can use? No, no. We build an image from Bootstrap, and then put all the packages that we need. We check the bootstrap. I mean, literally, the bootstrap run, the output of that we put it on the SD cards. The tool of Debian. Yeah. The one you regularly use for building. We have eight gigabytes for each of our, so the root file system is two gigabytes. Yeah. And with mostly everything like from the platform. So it's like, those are usually used for a platform mission. So basically they do stuff around the telescope or they perform tasks. So the raw images are huge. I mean, huge. It's certainly impossible to download them. Some operations they perform are built, are post-produced there. Like once they got the image, they are post-produced. And eight gigabytes turn it to be like, you know, more than enough in terms of handling those images compressing, and then do some stuff and push it to F. Yeah. So they are actually, I think a little bit more than 50% used. Which is crazy, I mean. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Actually the question they mentioned was that we can afford to have QEMO running there. Yeah. Well, not running. Well, it can run, but it's just for recording file systems. Not the Setsu for recording file systems. Okay. Thank you all for coming.


I think, too, yeah, and the end of the conversation. And, boy, were you into your four conversations. There was a lot of heat over here and a little bit of a bigger group, a bigger group. But other than that, I would say it was sort of almost evenly spread among the four topics. I was sort of encouraged by that. I've asked Katia to just sort of pull in the four groups and help keep things moving and pull on people, so Katia Kerner from Lincoln Center Theater is going to take it on again from here. Whoo! Yeah, Katia. So, can we just go around? But, Penny, can you kind of designate a note, but can you just have to talk about what the things you think should have came up for you? There's lots of stuff. And if there are questions about, then feel free to ask or clarify.  So, we have a little, like, 45 minutes and we should feel free to ask each other questions. So, should we start over here with the internals? We just have your team. You want to do it together? Yeah, do it together. We need that balance between getting the attention and adding attention. So, this balance between getting attention, the attention you deserve from your organization and also having trust in the entire community or whatever. One of the problems therein, one of them is finding even time with your leadership as being pulled into the 10,000 introduction and the suggestion of safe and standing meetings. And the time management is being available to answer questions. We did talk about, amazingly enough, a lot of us have just been through transition or are going through transition right now. And that is a good time to kind of slip in and advocate for change or a different structure. We worry that our importance doesn't necessarily match the structure and budget. The importance of the organization to own its education programs, not like what you guys are doing, but more weird. Get a leadership at our events or if we can't get to leadership, that perhaps having other stakeholders or board members or community members attend our events, bring them over into the fan club and have them advocate for us. Because those might be voices listened to. If we need to model inter-department efforts. We need that values education more. It isn't a good time to discuss the values. How to explain what we do. How to explain what we do to people who don't have their drugs. How to organize programs up in some ways to integrate, I guess, more centralized programs around the world. How to organize programs around the world. Hands on during events or board members. Shared relationships with the leadership. The leadership is out advocating the going to groups to do that. And an absolutely brilliant idea was to find what is leadership's problem or issue they're dealing with and then show them how education kind of solves that. It is not even live. Education does solve that. Just find out your self-care and a livable pace and managing our own time in such a way that we can do all the wonderful things we do but not die in the process. The group brought up that there were sometimes perception issues or association bias problems around workload and what education does and why they do it. And if we mentioned that there are new buzzwords out there and stuff for years. If we just kind of point out again your brand new idea, we've been doing that. We are really well behaved and perhaps too well behaved and we need to be a little bit more of a squeaky wheel and so forth. Education can advocate for the outcome to move from departments into an institutional plan and there are some ideas around that. Oh and we should take time to talk to those that give us support and ideas. You can go have a meal or at least remember to find and refill our compost. Sorry, what were some of those ideas for how the Education Department can advocate for equity diversity inclusion? Some of you said have a summit. Yes, it was your first supposed to summit. That's your book. Yes, it's Jenny. But bringing the national conversation I think to the organization and its board. There was a resource book for the organization to help build a college and viewing the creation of a plan as a process, an ongoing process that has to kind of stay a process. Structuring meaningful school programs, collaborating with the school district or a network of schools. I'll just go through a couple. One of the big ones was how does theater leverage what schools are already doing and are committed to. I think that was a common thing. Just kind of don't go into it. If we think of the research on cultural responsiveness, right, it's actually not about race or ethnicities about cultures. You have a culture and you're walking into an existing culture and you want to be part of that culture and contribute to it. What's already happening in school learning, but also find out what the school culture like that you're going into. She never kind of think of, we've got something great that's going to enlighten your kids. You can't wait. It's got to be a partnership. Communication administration. Several things here circle time for relationship building, time for planning, time for professional development. That's the PD of the host teachers, as well as ideally the leadership of that school. Spending time with them, really taking the time to just communicate what you want to try to come through the kids. Focusing also not just on kind of arts integration and how you can do STEAM, but theater for theater's sake and the value of theater for conflict resolution and empathy and all the things that I shared is now being on the inside of the school system. Principles at the end of the day are teachers, they're educators, they want the same thing we want, right? They just have so much stuff going on there. Remind them why they're in there. Not in the kind of setting, but in a welcoming way. Just the same way you might want to talk to your artistic directors or feel like that. All kids are at risk, understanding the backgrounds of different communities, urban, rural, shelter. How much time do you have to spend with the kids? This was one of the colleagues brought up. Why is 10 a week become the thing or 12 weeks or eight sessions or is four to little and 16 too much? We talk about working backwards if you're putting on a show and how much time do you have. Think like that. What's your residency going to be? What can you do, what can't you do? Are we actually enhancing the learning? Collaborate and reiterate what classrooms are working on, provide resources and opportunities for more meaningful engagement. Speaks for self. Maneuvering multiple districts and preconceived notions of the other. I don't know what that was about. Who said that one? The other? That often when you're working in different school districts, we were talking about the example of St. Louis that has over 94 school districts in the area. When you're working with lots of different communities, especially if you're trying to get them to work with each other and understand each other, figuring out what are your policies when you're working with different groups of people and how can you break down those preconceived notions that they might have about each other. Teacher and administration buy-in collaboration we're planning this came up several times. Should never be kind of telling the administrator we've got this great residency for you and then day one you show up. It's got to be planning time with the teacher and dedicated time. Sounds like a no brainer, but it shouldn't just be this is what we're going to do but it's kind of finding out even what they're teaching styles like. Are they very verbal? Are they on their feet? Do they like to do their things? How can you team teach with them? As one of our colleagues said, they shouldn't be in the back drinking a coffee smoking a cigarette anymore drinking a coffee or interrupting you for discipline issues they should be there as kind of a ideally a partner but at least kind of maybe a colleague. When we talk about the professional development built in ideally you should be kind of giving mebs and chops so that they can do it in the between time and you're not there. It's not about the money it's okay to walk away. If this is, the principle says I want to use puppetry to teach the digestive tract and that happened to me at a theater but we do Shakespeare so being able to walk away from a program and say it's not integral to what we do this is what we do we love to do with you but that's not who we are I thought accountability to support, not relieve or replace the classroom education we have organized ambiguity is okay meaning that the principle might come in and think it's chaos I call it organized ambiguity kind of letting you know what they're going to see if they walk in relationship building, language accessibility and then the last one that came up was thinking about contracts or agreements with the school whether it's a full contract there's a little statement of writing but a prenup to articulate expectations quantifiable value to the work including all parties in that conversation and then the last one was the idea that I know right about Peter does and that I used to do is if you are working in multiple schools in your city or rural county do you have some kind of sharing with your different school partners come together and celebrate all at once maybe just have a 15 minute round robin thing it builds community but it also shows the school system that you're interested in culture change and bringing people together just a second any questions about school programs going in teaching artists working with communities of trauma we don't expand our skill set I think the conversation was really we want our organizations we want to expand it into different communities but we also need to be willing to then expand our training and our approach to change our approach for different sets of teaching artist training and resource opportunities we did a lot of sharing of resource opportunities so if you're interested in sort of deepening the training and awareness and language of your staff you can check out the well they're all here and I have more that I will write down in a moment it led to another conversation about if you do facilitate a training how then do you keep that in-house and in-train of your staff so that the way and train yourself to facilitate the training which is its own set of things so there's a lot of work that can't be done and should be done how do you put those values into practice don't assume a TA skills based on optics don't assume teaching artists because of their background or the way they look or speak you don't necessarily have all that information about where they're going to be most successful versus experience who has something very we're talking about hiring practices instead of looking on someone's resume strictly at do they have experience talking about do they have the competencies that we need for this position so we can provide training and experience and being willing to do that this is also from an album we hired for diversity and training for assimilation yeah, I've heard to full disclosure that was the executive director of YWCA in Boston and she said that in her panel discussion and it felt so true that the conversations that we're having about EDI work and how many white folks are entering that conversation and it's suddenly a concern that the culture of our organizations are still not changing and so we're all really concerned about diversity but doing nothing it's the hands that Nicole that cartoon that she showed us earlier that we don't want to change but we want to have a diverse staff in both ways. In the classroom if you're working with dual language learners or you have dual language teachers universities are a great resource we'll write some of those resources down as well yes you guys there's like five pages I took so many notes I'm sorry I'm going to get some all up it's something that Jennifer said that was a really sort of I think important thought that she put into our discussion is think about the layers that the students have to walk through to get to you and then think about how many layers you've walked through to get to them that we need to all sort of look at ourselves and our staff and our organizations and make sure that we are meeting them halfway instead of asking them to come all the way to us and then the other big discussion we had is on how to create space that is for everybody and how to sort of educate the gatekeepers the teachers and the different sort of adults that come into your space that have their own ideas on what is appropriate theater behavior etc. and asking yourself as an organization how can I make a welcoming space do I need to change something and what how much space do you hold as well when you are going into communities that aren't yours like how much actual space you hold like how to be honoring with how you are like there was a really key moment today too when I think Nicole sat down and that's like an interesting example of how she was holding the space for us and the power in this work and then skip out the idea of invent what so maybe a community might come to a specific show might be involved in a specific event and then how do you sustain and cultivate and build and continue the welcome engagement that is ongoing into a two-way relationship that there are conversations that's happening around engagement what's going on to support the relationship moving forward there's parents in the communication on both sides work that is mutually beneficial so that it's not about like that it really is about coming together and that really it's rooted in story and how story and especially theater connects to the people now we're getting into the hour you're ready to go on the hour be alright with the first conversation being garbage how do you sit in what's uncomfortable showing off reducing versus presenting and what is that so that a lot of people are like what is engagement is it about that we're producing something in its performance or is the process just as valuable because we are process oriented engagement's responsibility don't be an ass pole so it's been laying he's a great first step is how do you start so one of the questions came up of really how do you start to have a conversation and something that had a lot of energy around it was the listening of how really to be present inside the listening and not assuming what the collaboration will be but really figuring out what it is then ask the base came up again find out what you need to bring to the table what is the knowing really knowing what your organizational reputation is in the community and maybe that might help to bring that down to the conversation bare witness I wasn't sure the proper bear I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm not sure and artists and also to have conversations in the community to not overlap and be aware of where our lives might be and where collaboration might be possible also something that can get to hear about supporting the work of other artists and where do we show up just to really bear witness to the work support of the work what is the short term versus long term like my partner, I got someone coming into the space for a short term and then how do you make it be ready to step in and ready to receive so really make there we had a whole conversation around making sure that your internal table is set in order to be ready to receive and really breaking down what is the culture of theater going for the theater and for audiences so that we really can be welcoming and come as you are and how do we have really thoughtful and intentional conversations about the welcoming space and how do you thread through the welcome through all aspects? Marketing? I was saying that we had an example of people at it, maybe it was something that happened recently at my institution where we thought about reaching out to groups as a whole rather than marketing to individuals. I work out in the least and tried to target individuals that are actually really North American or Western European concepts and that I was saying that people don't come to the theater or to shows or anything that we do if it's not in collaboration with their friends, even if it's a subject matter that's of interest to them or something that is important. So I was just talking about making sure you will get your angles properly especially when you're talking about community. I mean defining audience development versus community engagement and audience engagement. The stories on the stage and that the community will want to consume it so really be one of the stories that are on the stage and who they want to come. Note we were talking to in terms of engagement. Where are the assumptions, where are your assumptions and where can you break those down? When is compensation required in terms of pain for artistry, pain for consultation? So when is pay and standing up in that work and do you have something really great, I can capture it well about not holding on to the, like if we're really having these conversations but then we're holding on to the jobs. So then where is that and how do we break that down and honest about that? Can't see what we're saying, we're not saying we need to work physically in our faces with us. How do you engage with communities that have opposite beliefs and views from your work, views as the whole, views as the individual? Great example around a stage reading to launch community town calls to unpack ethical questions but how we not only engage from the point of view that we might pull with the theater company might pull but reaching across the aisle, plays that have a point of view from the right or right view, right leaning and really bringing that conversation to the forefront. And then we had a great drama, so then we resorted to that. Besides what you want to give and the assets you want to give and being really clear and specific and transparent about that. And then that there's synergy of what do we want to do in need and then what do they want to do in need and how we come together in that conversation for synergy and then we might end up living here. Still sad that what do they need in the relationship with the community? Great, great. I love that. Relationship with communities. Any of these four topics that somebody feels they haven't had a chance to share or they still, you know, burning issues that they want to talk about from today? I realize we never did this sort of lay of the land. How many people in the world are education directors or education staff at a theater? How many people are theater leaders, artistic and or managing directors? Are there any trustees in the world? No, teaching artists. Is there anybody I've not included in that in any category so far? Sorry, public school teachers who are higher education. There you go. And now it's going to happen. Service organizations? Service organizations and New York City Printed Education. No, not education. Yep, you are staying on for the rest of the TCG policy. For those of you, there's at least one session that I hope will be of interest. It's on Friday. I can't look at you and look at something close to me at the same time. On Friday there is at 11 a.m. an hour and a half breakout session on looking, it's called, looking back to look forward, building and sustaining a quality arts assessment system. So if you need a refresher or, you know, exposure to arts assessment, please come to that session. It is being moderated by Evelyn Francis and Pamela D'Casquale from Cleveland Playhouse is coming in forward. Julie Havens from Commonwealth Theater Center will speak along with Alison Hub, also from Commonwealth Theater, and Samantha Wire-Vello will also participate and also will have different models of assessment. There will also be an affinity space on Friday for education folks, so you will have another opportunity after a couple of days have passed and you sort of had a chance to mull all this over to come back together again and maybe process what's been going on at the conference and carry some of these things through. I'm wondering if there's any other conversation or discussion or questions about the conference in general that you want to pose now. How many people are coming to their first conference? So if you have any questions, navigate. The app is fantastic. Put it on your phone, please. Schedule your sessions tonight.  I don't think there's anything wrong with ending a little early and just giving you guys a few minutes to chat. Do you have something you want to share? I just want to say come to the party. As a co-chair of the host committee, we have a great museum called the City Museum and I think it's pretty specific and unique to St. Louis and that's where the opening night party will be. So please join us. And this is all amazing learning that's going to go on this week as well as the late night party at the dot-zack on Friday. We've got some really awesome performances planned as well with a DJ. So we're here to also have a little fun too. Absolutely. I don't have other announcements, logistics, but yes. I have a question about the City Museum one. Are we exploring the museum or are we just like parting to the side of it? Like, should I wear jeans or a dress? Because I'd want to crawl through a tunnel. Great. I brought jeans. There's a where? This is an observation. I want to thank all of you. This has been an extraordinary day. It was really planned with a very large planning committee. I want to thank the planning committee. There were a lot of members of the planning committee here in the room. Thank you for all your time and helping to practice agenda through the day. It's been an amazing opportunity to hear some really wonderful voices. So thanking the speakers. I want to thank the entire Metro Theatre Company staff. Thank you all for your hospitality. There will be, there aren't yet probably, but there will be two buses to take everybody back to the Grand Hyatt at the Arch. There will be a welcome reception in progress. And we have our own special space in case we want to mingle together as a group. Mills Studio 3 has been designated for us. So please join us there. I do have some other announcements. These are your, if you are registered for that conference, these are your tickets. Don't lose them.  You will need that through Saturday night. If you're registered through the conference, please go back to the hotel, to the registration table and register there for the rest of the conference. What we did today was just check in for here. If you purchased meal tickets, you'll need to let those at registration as well. If you are not staying for the rest of the conference, thank you so much for making a trip here for the one day. And I know there are people in the room who did that. Thank you very much. I'm going to ask you to give me your name text back because we're running short and I'm going to recycle it. And also we're going to reset this room to be like an open rehearsal. So if you don't mind lending your bra on to the effort, we'll maybe pick up our chairs and help put them back. And with that, thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you.