If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 20 minutes, me, Adam, and Justin have some nice conversation. We talk about podcasting tricks. Those shucksters. What are these guys up to? What are they doing? Things, we talked about our significant others listening to Mind Pump, what they're critical of, how Justin's wife doesn't like the show. I never said she didn't like it. She just doesn't listen. The only edit we ever did was when Sal talked about Jessica. Stop. Then we talk about the weird... She was just the kids in the car. The weird virtual world. You're gonna have to listen to this episode to know what I'm talking about there. And then we mentioned the Organifi Green Juice.  Yeah, I got a little sick, caught it from Adam. Should've known better. Nice to make it out. If you want a discount on Organifi, go to organifyshop.com, type in the code Mind Pump for 20% off. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, do we ever freak out about aging? Is that something we're worried about? I'm rocking the grays. Here's Hans Zimmer today than he was yesterday. I'm rocking it. Then we talk about what kind of advice would we give ourselves back in the day before we started working out? Like what's the one piece of advice if we could deliver to our younger selves in regards to fitness? What would that be? Then we talk about how we could fix the public school system in regards to health. Of course, don't forget, Mind Pump has all the answers to everything. If only we had that kind of power. And finally, we talk about some of our weaknesses that we started with, that have now become our strengths. Now we're left with no more weaknesses. We're talking about the business, right? That's right. We're just strengths everywhere. And finally, two days left. 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It's been a while since I offended anybody anyways. What's the last thing I offended people? It's been at least 24 hours. No, it's been a long time. When it was the last time I ruffled enough feathers that people were like, oh, that was just not good. Yeah, this is good. Let's think about this. What was the last time any of us- I've been pretty busy. Who pisses off the most people? For sure me. You think you? I think so. Is it even close? I start a lot of fights. Yeah. I do start a lot of fights. Right. It's rare that somebody gets on our form, because our form is normally our best pulse, right? So it's rare that somebody gets on the form and actually points out something you said and says like, I can't believe you said this stuff. Although it's happened. You know what? People try to debate me more. I think you're right.  That's true. Yeah, exactly. They like to- Actually, the only one that's ever, I've never gotten really hate mail, have you? No. Justin has. I got that girl. Yeah. You ever got hate? He got hate mail. Did you really? Yeah, because he said retard. What was that? Oh, did I? Remember that? That was a long time ago. That's right. You can't say that anymore. No, it wasn't me. That was Adam. Oh, Adam said it. It wasn't me? But they messaged you. They messaged me about Adam.  They were afraid to inbox me. You got to tell Adam the same offensive things like that. I was like, oh man. Kind of retard doesn't know how to use a DM. They went around me. I was like, wait, did I say that? You can't say that word anymore, you know what I mean? It's super offensive. We did it early on. What? I said that early on. Yeah, you did it early on. We were working stuff out. Come on. I was fucking, I was in- Well, it's hard to keep up with what you can and can't say. It's true. It happens too fast now. And let's be honest. It's in a title right now. Go ahead. And we don't edit anything. Yeah, that's true. Did you see me? I defended you today when somebody was trying to get you about something you said. Like, they were- What did I say?  Oh, did I? Yeah.   The honey than you can with vinegar? Yeah, I don't know.  But whatever, you know what I'm saying? No. But yeah, hold on a second. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I know. You know what I was trying to say? Yeah. Nobody knows what we're trying to say. I know. Yeah, there is no- I don't even know a ramp analogy or a watery analogy. I was making it up. You were. It didn't work. One day, there's going to be like a major calamity. We're going to need to solve it with something and that's going to be the answer. You know what I mean? One day I want sound. I just want to be silent. Just let him keep working it out. Just let him keep working this one out right here. Justin's like an M-knife. I do that all the time. I'll do the same to you then. No problem. You're like an M-knife. I just keep rolling. I just make the word up and keep shifting with it. Just keep shifting your way through. Who's with me? Electronical or what? Dude, let's go. Let's move it along now. That was a good one, though. I don't even remember how I used it. Electronical? I missed that one. I wish I would have heard that. Electronical needs to be a word. It does. Because if you- I still believe it is.  But it's not. You know, you have two options. So electronical. Can you get the electronical version or the manual one? The electronical version. Yeah. Hey, I got the old cars with the wind-up windows. They're not electronical. Yeah. See? That works. Totally understand what you're talking about right now. It does. Do you run on gasses at electronicals? Rarely ever do the words that make up not make sense. They make sense. People are just mad because someone else didn't fucking- because someone didn't put it in the Webster dictionary.  Why can't I use that one? Yeah, why is Webster the one that decides that anyway? All right. Damn.  And I'm like, come on. You know what? We could be like every other podcast and edit everything. I'm sorry. Everybody does. They do. We haven't met- we haven't met a single- so I'm putting everybody on front street right now. We haven't met a single podcaster that just rips and puts it out there. Nobody, right? You- and here's some of the tricks, right? I'm gonna put some people on blast right here. Not individually. Just so the audience knows what's up. So I'll trick- Keep it between us, audience. A trick. Just- just you guys don't tell everybody. So a podcasting trick, right? One of them is to obviously edit out all the ums. Just by editing out ums or the delay between like conversation back and forth or like when Justin were to go off on like a ramp and water analogy. That's like one thing. So you would have cut that out. Or the other thing that's popular that people don't know they do is they speed it up just a fraction. And when you speed it up, just a fraction.  Well, yeah, some people speed it way up. But just by speeding up a fraction makes you sound smarter. 100%. Right, yeah. So- Talking faster makes you sound smarter? Yeah, that's why I do it. Yeah. If I talk normal- I just blaze through it. It is true, though. We haven't- I can't think of a single- Have we ever cut anything? The only time we have ever cut, I can count on one hand, I know at least two times I said somebody's name. That's it, yeah. Doug has had to pull their name out. Yeah, we don't want people to get arrested or killed. Yeah, yeah. So other than that, I don't think there's ever been a time where- Did you ever do anything? I've never- I've never- You know what? That one time you said that thing about Jessica, Doug had to edit that out. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks, man. He's joking. Wow, he's joking. Honey, oh no! That one time you said something about Courtney, I remember that one time. Doesn't matter, she doesn't listen. I got that going for me. How many episodes do you think Courtney's actually listened to? Maybe like three. That's it. Total. She doesn't even know what you do for a living. How come she listens to this? She doesn't even know what you- But she's like, I get it. You know, like I've heard you talk and I get it.   Did she tell you that- Didn't she tell you when she first listened like, you're not funny, I listen to you all the time or something like that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's why I don't want her to listen.  You know what I mean? She critiques you afterwards? I don't even know why Adam was laughing. That was funny. I'm embarrassed. Jessica listens to every episode and she's so like fanatical about it. In fact, that if I interrupt her while she's listening to it, she gets pissed and she stops it. And she's like, I have to roll it now. Yes. Oh, yes. So like a foreign animal. No, that's Katrina's exact same way. I'll come in and if she's like in the middle of listening to the mind pump and I'm like, I'll tell you what happened. Just mute it. Let's talk. So how many times has she like not liked me or Justin? Like, have we said something on the show? No, what's actually really funny is she never says anything about any. She is hypercritical of me.  No way. Yeah. Ouch. She's like, why does my man have to be sound like the bro?    Really? Yeah, absolutely. She never says anything. There's nothing you guys ever say. You can't ever do anything wrong. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Thanks, Katrina. Yeah, it's always, it's always how I could have. And it's, it's never like, it's never like, um, she's always critiquing like how I talk because I told her, I remember the very beginning when we first started this, I definitely think that, you know, especially when I was competing and we're talking about macros and was like, I was a hundred percent embodying the, the bro side of the business. And I would always tell her, I'm like, well, listen, hun, somebody has to talk about that stuff because people want to hear about it. We have to be popular. I've learned this, right? Right. So like, let's be honest, things I'm into are not popular.  Yeah, we can't do a whole episode on May spells. Yeah. Just talk about it. Just nobody wants to hear it. So. Yeah. And I'm like, the other two guys, they're fucking, and at that time, Sal was married. I'm like, you know, Sal's married.  You guys both have kids. I'm like, they're not going to talk about vaginas. Somebody has to talk about vagina. It's so true. Yeah. If we're going to be the Howard Stern of fitness, someone has to carry a lot of weight on your back. I was. Yeah. But now I feel like, you know, there's a little bit more balance on the show. I don't have to talk about vagina as much. You know what? If we are going to be self critical, here's the one thing I, I hate hearing that we do, and we do less of it now. And we've talked about this, but I hate what we do this is when we have a guest on the show and we all like laugh at every fucking, oh my God, you're so funny. I know. Why are we flirting? It's like a reaction. Well, it's a weird predicament to be in. Think about it, because we're, first of all, we're all nice guys, right?  So, but there's this fine line. It's like having a guest at dinner at your house. You're trying to make him comfortable. Well, yeah, you're coming over and you're in our territory. You're in our facility. Right.  Right. So I feel like there's this, we kind of overcompensate.  So then we go the other direction. Yeah. Then we go to the complete opposite. Oh, that was so funny. You're so great. Yeah. They leave all happy. We're like, damn it. I catch it when we, I catch it when we do it too. And I annoys me. But you know what though? I don't think it's ever, I don't think it's ever happened on a guest on a second time or a third time though. Like once, that's all out of our system now, right? Like most people that will come back on the show. It's the first time. Yeah. It's like the very, it's just kind of courtesy.  But that's not how you make friends.  Like they come in. Yeah. I'm doing cake stands. Yeah. What's going to happen? We're the drugs. We're going to actually record a show. Do some YouTube and talk about it. We should all walk out with just like powder all over our face. He's like, hey, welcome. Make it look crazy. You know what we should do? Start doing jumping jacks.  We should have like a pile of like flour or sugar. A mirror. Yeah. Like a mirror. Do a mirror and just do like a mound of like, don't even say anything. Right. Don't even say anything. Juice.  You know what we do? No one say anything. We just have some random chick just walk out.  What if they go do it? Right. Like no, no, no. It's making so much. Tell me that would not be a fun prank though. That would be funny just to see them bring it up. Did you have another scientist? Did you want to put this away? Yeah. Or they got all weirded out and just left. Just bury your face in it.  This is how you do it. When they meet us and they realize we're just mostly business. We just sit down and do mostly business. Speaking of drugs, let me tell you something right now. Sudafed combined with cannabis. Amazing. An interesting weird combination. I got the Sudafed because I'm coming. I got a cold or something coming on. Thanks Adam. But I feel cold and hot. Double up on your organifi, bro. Green juice it up. This is what I love. So I had two servings already. Pound the green juice. Shiver and sweat. It actually, that was pretty, normally I do all the emergency and be drinking like crazy like that. But I had, I was doing like three of those green juices with big old thing of water. And I, for the, I don't handle. You were only sick for two days. Yeah. I got bounced back pretty fast. So I'm, typically when I get sick, I'm a big baby. I'm knocked out. But I actually work still. I still did my thing. But I, this one's kind of weird. It's like, it's really, it makes you feel fatigued. I just don't like it. When I get sick, I get emotional. I don't know about you guys, but I get weird. You know what I mean? You guys don't get that. Well, yeah. You guys told me that. Cause like what, Adam, you look through like all our five star reviews and start reading that. Watching like teen. 16 and pregnant. Like pregnancy. You get emotional too. Yeah. I don't eat what it is. Sentimental emotional. I get like angry. The 16, I do have patterns and I've definitely picked up on them. The 16 and pregnant and the reading the reviews thing. It has to be like a total pity party for myself. I'm feeling sorry for myself. 100% is what it is. Right. It only makes sense. Right. It's like, I need to read all these reviews that say nice things about me. So that makes me feel better. Right. And then I watched 16 and pregnant to watch these loser kids that are having kids at 16. You know what I'm saying? I didn't do that when I was all feeling bummed out.  It does bro. It was good. It was good.  If you don't have any five stars. Yeah, just go for it. Yeah. If you don't have any five star reviews about yourself, have a friend write you.  And they brought me a blame. Both of my kids brought me a blame kick. Can we get you something to drink? And I was like, oh, what? Yeah. Look at this. Taking care of daddy. Look at this. And then like... Two minutes later, they asked for something. Can you buy me a...  Is your kid into that yet? Not yet. How old is your oldest? He's seven. Seven? It's coming. It's coming, I know. It's coming soon, dude. What's coming? So it's called... All the video games. Yeah, but Steam, I guess is the company you go through and you can buy like different things you can use in games or different games. Exactly. I don't know what it is, but if you go any... You have that section at the grocery store where they sell gift cards. So like you could go to Applebee's or Amazon or whatever. They have these Steam cards. They're called Steam and they're gift cards. So that's... To give them things in the video game, right? In game or games. Do you understand how brilliant this is? This is relatively new. It's a cool topic. So I find this very fascinating and I can't remember what book I was reading that they got into this. But I know Justin and I went through this a little bit when we were playing on the app and listening to developers. But the poker, right? So poker makes the... What's it called? The video poker? The free, right? No, it doesn't charge you or anything like that. It's crazy how much money that makes because what they do is they start you off with and I think it's a freemium model. Right, right. So you get $10,000 to play poker. And I love playing Texas Holm. So my buddies and I would play with that. Well, when you run out, you have to wait, I want to say a day before you can start up again and get a new $10,000 or you could purchase like right away. You could purchase half a million for like $5. So... Just to play. Just to play. And you do it. You buy it because you don't want to wait. You don't want to wait a day or two. It's this whole...  This whole economy around it and I learned about... It gets you hooked in it. So these games, what they do with kids is like... So you can buy... Either you can work through the levels and earn the machine gun or earn the armor or earn the superpower to jump higher.  Or you can buy these cards or things and they... And you jump past all that.  So there's a whole... There's a whole economy around it and a whole culture around it. Like, here's something that happened to my son the other day. He has items in this game that he plays. Like there's just particular guns and their value goes up based on the economy within the game. So it's not a set price. Oh, really? No. So you could find something and it'll be worth more money because more people want it. Type of deal. Oh, I see. It's pretty crazy. So my son had this gun that was worth... He said it was worth 30 bucks. So they're implying scarcity. And I think so. And you can trade. You can trade with other people. So then people are creating these fake accounts to scam other people because of the value of these fake items. So my son got scammed. He was so pissed. He was so mad. He got all... He was all angry. I'm like, what's the matter, buddy? And he's like, he didn't want to tell me. Finally, he kind of broke down and told me what happened. He was going to trade his $30 item for a different $30 item that both value was pretty equal to this other guy. So he went to this guy's site and what he did is he... The URL address was just one letter off. So it looks the same. He goes on there. My son gives him his item. Doesn't get one in return. Totally gets scammed. Wow. But there's people on there that do this. They steal or scam kids. He can report that account and all that. He did. He did, but it happens so much. My son's like, nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. So these guys go around scamming kids or whatever because these things have actual value and... So crazy. Nerd predators. And you'll sell them. And that's what the guy did. He went on the next day and he sold it. He sold it for actual money. What a hustle. Real money.  Isn't that crazy? It's crazy that we get ourselves hooked into that, dude. That's so nuts to me. Talking about being in the virtual world, it's already happening where that's where the money, the transfer, everything. Virtual currency, yeah. It's crazy, man. There's also... So I don't know if you guys know about this. I don't even know... This was a while ago when I was training this one client. It's like Second Life and all that. But there's virtual bars. There's a virtual bars that you can go online where you chat with people. You can buy them virtual drinks and gifts. Yeah. And depending on the value of them, you'll get more attention and you can flirt. Have you seen that Second Life game where you create your own persona, almost like World of Warcraft? But it's like...  I'm like a werewolf with this huge hog. What's going around banging chicks? What? I swear to God. Check it out. What are you into? What is this? I watched this. This was on one of those shows like Taboo or one of those things.  And this is like a huge community of people that are creating this version of themselves that's like this fantasy character. And then they meet people and they date and they talk like through... And their characters have sex? Yeah, through chat or whatever. And they make their characters have sex. What? It's hilarious.  So the people who argue that when we can plug into the internet, like our minds and go in there, people are like, oh, people won't do that. Yeah, they will. It's already happening.  Well, I think... And I definitely...  It's gonna happen for sure in sports. Yeah, like centaurs banging... We're not far away from like this full... Because sports is huge, right? We all know the NBA, NFL, soccer.  This whole... We're so close to having like cameras from all different angles, all over the field, the courts and everything. So you as a viewer can have any angle, and then I think the future will be they'll have these little tiny cameras and their helmets. You see where the quarterback's looking at. So I can like, we sit down, we're gonna watch the Sunday's game, Niners vs Cowboys. We already have that in... And I'm gonna be Dak Prescott.  You're gonna actually be... They're already practicing with that. Yeah, it's gonna be... Like, I know one of my friends, he was one of the quarterback coaches for Cow, he's not working there anymore, but they were actually experimenting already with VR, and they had, you know, all the players wearing VR and then practicing with it and stuff. Dude, imagine a stadium, right? Imagine going to a stadium, where that's how it's gonna be like, everyone will have the goggles on, nobody will be actually watching the live game. You'll have the goggles on because... Mark my words, bro. It'll happen. In our lifetime... Especially on a Super Bowl, that's probably when they'll roll it out, right? Bro, imagine that, and then...  Imagine how interactive, you could not be more in the game than to actually be able to be the view, the view from the player that you like the most, and you could change it whenever you want.   Right, dude. It would be crazy. It's gonna be a weird world thing. It's gonna be, dude. It's around the corner, man. It's coming fast. It's coming real fast. Today's quaz, being brought to you by Chimericoffee, is the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Chimeric link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quaw. The eagle has landed. First up is from Roman Reboot. Do you guys ever freak out about aging? Funny we bring this up. I was talking to a client of mine, literally today, about Botox. And she's been doing it for a long time. And I was just listening to her share it. But I was just thinking about how fascinating that is that we have these things that we can do now, right? And along the lines of what we're talking about right now, like what's the future like? What are we gonna be able to do and stuff? The only thing that I freak out, that freaks me out about aging, is potential disease or immobility. That's really the only thing that worries me, although that will eventually happen no matter how healthy I am. I'm sure at some point you're gonna lose mobility. You may develop some health issues. If you're lucky enough to live long enough, by the way, that is a blessing. I know people hate aging, but not everybody has the luxury of aging. I've lost close people to me, who died young, who I'm sure if they were given the option would have loved to be in a situation where they got to freak out about aging. The book A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle, I highly recommend it to people. In there, he talks a lot about a lot of interesting things, and there's a lot of paradigm shifting topics. But one thing that he said that resonated very strongly to me was, you're in your life.  Nothing you can change.  There's nothing you can do about it. You're gonna age. There's literally nothing you can do about it. You can choose to fight it and hate it, or you can choose to embrace it and love it. That's really your two options. There is no other option. You can't stop it. Well, you don't think there's a middle of that though? You don't think there's like a... embrace it, the fact that it's happening, but then still do things that could benefit the process, right? Well, that's embracing it. Embracing it doesn't mean I'm gonna just give up on life. Embracing it means this is what's happening, and I'm just gonna enjoy it.  Okay, because I want to clarify that, because I think it could sound like you just... Oh, I'm getting old, because some people say that too, right?  You start becoming more passive with all these things happening to you. Well, I see my buddies are like this. My buddies are just, and they love to golf and fish. Nothing wrong with golf and infission. I joke with them all the time. That's like, hey, are we just like hanging it up?   Like, we're just gonna stop that and then just hang it up. Like, to me, there's a difference between being okay with aging and then just like folding your cards or giving up, because it's hard or it takes more work now to stay younger looking, right? Yeah, and that's the thing. Especially modern Western societies, we look at age in older people, and I put that in quotes because it's like anybody over the age of 40, we look at as not good. We don't want to look like that. Everything's gotta be young, everything's gotta be youthful, but there's a lot of benefits to aging. There truly is. Like, experience and wisdom. I'll tell you what right now. Like, personally, personally, I look forward to the entire aging process. Most part, I don't think of it negatively, and mainly it's because I know how much I've grown, like me today versus me 10 years ago versus me 20 years ago. You got a lot more to say now. Yeah, I mean, it's like all this experience has amounted to like a better story and a better conversation that you can pass on to people. Like, I feel like everything was so self-centered and self-focused like as I was younger and growing up and like I had all these like pursuits that were like very myopic where now it's like, okay, I can consider a lot more things because it's like I've seen so much more and like, yeah, I have no fear at all about aging. It's just like some of those health things that I really want to make sure, like I maintain strength. I want to do these things that are harder for me.  I always want to be, you know, in the driver's seat. So I think that's just... Yeah, I'm not afraid of it at all. First of all, one, I think as a male, I think we, most men tend to get a little bit better with age, even physically. I think most women would agree that they're more attracted to a 30-year-old man than a 20-year-old man and maybe even arguably a 40-year-old man than a 30-year-old 20-year-old man where it's a little bit different for women, right? Most men would say like, you know, women at the age of 20 are more attracted than they are at 30 or whatever. And there's, of course, exceptions to rule to everything. So I think in general, as men and at our age, you know, I think that I, or at least I feel like I'm still getting better with age right now. Like I, you know, from that standpoint, but I fear the same thing that you guys fear, which is I, you never know what could potentially happen, you know, with 10, 20 years to come. And my greatest fear is just getting something that I had no control over that keeps me from being able to be physical or moving because I'll do everything in my power to eat correctly, to train, to take care of myself to make sure, because my goal is to be 80, 90 years old and still a very physically active person. Like I want to climb things and do and accomplish, you know, physical feats in my 80s and potentially in my 90s. Well, it's interesting thinking about that too, because like you mentioned like the really hard stuff, like so there has been a little bit of a shift, you know, because I used to really try to beat my body up and like really kill, you know, workouts and do all these things and like go for these sports that were super aggressive and physically taxing. And now it's in sparse. I'll do it in like sparse amounts just to maintain, you know, like I can take on these tackle these challenges but like thinking about more longevity and like I still want to incorporate, but I'm not out there like pressing so hard that oh man, I got injured again. Now I got to recover and then do this whole thing and then this hurt. Now I'm going through this process again. Something you want to consider is that if you value growth, which I think most people, if you ask them, if you ask them and you sit them down and you say, okay, do you like growing as a person? Do you like learning and growing into something, you know, better? I think most people would say yes. Without realizing that growth only comes from discomfort. It only comes from challenge. There is no growth in comfort. There is no growth in, you know, everything's great and I'm, you know, la-di-da. Otherwise, why would you grow? It comes from challenge and, you know, looking ahead, you know, you can play, and this is a great thought game you can play with yourself, as you can imagine what would happen if I were immobile, you know, which could happen today? I could get in a car accident.  I would have to make a choice at that point, too, you know? What am I going to do now? Am I going to embrace it? Or am I going to fight something that I can't, you know, get rid of or change? And that's just really the mindset, I think, the best mindset to be in. The other thing, too, is when I trained people, I love training older people because I identified really quick their intelligence and their wisdom in the smallest ways. Now, this doesn't mean an older person is always going to be, you know, a wiser, smarter person than a younger person, but an older person is typically a smarter, wiser person than their younger selves. And there's a lot of wisdom you can get from older people when you talk to them about certain things, like you ask them about relationship advice or business advice or family or raising kids. Even though you may disagree with certain things, if you kind of pay attention, you're talking to somebody who's been on Earth a lot longer than you. And I don't know, I can't wait. I can't wait to see how I think and feel and do certain things with another 20 years under my belt. Like, what am I going to be talking about? What are my ideas? You've got to be able to tell, I can already tell the difference in 25-year-old and 35-year-old me. Oh, huge. Yeah, I'm so, so much more mellow.  Right? Just stuff doesn't rattle you up like it used to. And I think that, I think this is something that was kind of cool. I used to always ask, so I used to run boot camps all over San Jose. And I had, you know, always 20, 30 people in classes and mostly middle-aged women. So I had, and some men, but from the age of normally 40 all the way up to mid to late 60s. And I used to ask this a lot. I used to love, I used to love talking to these clients because there was always so much information to gain from them. And I had everything. I had from, you know, CEOs and tech people and construction people. I mean, you name the type of careers and entrepreneurs. So just a wealth of knowledge to pick from. And I used to always ask them, like, you know, hey, what's it like getting older?  And thinking that they would be like, oh, my 30s were awesome or 20s were just great. And they all say now, you know, that no matter whether I was talking to the 67-year-old or I was talking to the 50-year-old or the 45-year-old, it was a common theme that everybody was like, life just keeps getting better. You know, for what you think is going to be bad, like the physical things, like, so the 25-year-old mind, you know, the guy asking this question at that time is freaking out because I'm like, I don't want to lose my body and my looks and those are the things that consume you and think that it's so important.  You value, like, wisdom and knowledge, experience, those things become more valuable and you start to realize that more of that comes with age and time, right?  I mean, if you would ask me, I remember being a young 20-year-old kid that was very ambitious and I wanted things. I wanted houses, cars, watches, toys. I wanted stuff, you know. And I used to always think it was crazy people that wanted to travel. Like, why would you want to? Well, you spend $10,000? That's this much money towards a badass car or that $10,000 I could have this thing, right? And that stuff, it wasn't until I got older and I did more traveling and I settled down and I started to appreciate those things. So with age, I believe we start to our value system changes, the things that we enjoy change. You're just life experience, man. You're going to have challenges. You're going to have good things happen. You're going to have bad things happen. And you learn and grow from them and that really comes with experience. But it's easy to find people who freak out about aging. It's easy to find people who don't want to age and they don't look very happy. I see them sometimes, especially around here. Well, you point this out a lot, Sal. You talk about, that's one of the scariest things about people in the competing world or beauty pageants or models or celebrities.   Oh, you're so beautiful.  And then that eventually does go. And if that's all you've identified with for 10, 15 years of your life, those people have a really good time with that. I was watching that HBO documentary. What is, again, the defiant ones? Defiant ones. Stevie Nicks that they were interviewing because she used to date Iovini.  It's not moving. And I've met celebrities in person. And for anyone's listening who's ever met a celebrity in person who's identified with their youth and now is in their 50s or 60s, it doesn't look good. You can see that these people are really trying to fight something that's inevitable. It's going to happen. That's a tough place for them to be too because they see all the work that they're not getting anymore. And it's all based off of that. It's a very shallow existence when that's your goal. I just want to enjoy it. I want to age well. And the best way to do that is by living well now. Really, the difference between now and... You can look good. Yeah. The healthier you look, the better you look. Just healthy. That's just what it looks like. I love... And as far as being attractive, I'll tell you something right now. And I know you'll agree with me. I've seen women in the gyms that I've managed who were in their 50s, 50s and 60s even. And these women were... You can tell I've had decades of fitness in their life. That's why they stand out. Because they're in the gym. They're in their 50s or 60s, but they've got good muscle shape. They've been lifting weights properly. They're very healthy. There was one woman in particular that worked out a goal that I used to go to. And she was 62, I believe. And she had long... She didn't dye her hair. So it was all pretty much gray. And she would kind of tie it up and she'd work out with weights. And you could tell, she looked really good for her age, but you could tell she didn't have any work or anything like that done.   And the dudes in the gym, I remember seeing the young guys, would kind of check her out. Sex appeal... There's definitely a physical component that's objective, like the way you look. But there's that essence and that energy that you put out. And then we've all experienced it when you meet someone. Swag. And it's healthy. It's health. Be healthy. And you're going to give off that appeal. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family? Here's one of the best ways you guys can. You guys love that chimera coffee that we have. Chimeracoffee with a K. You go to chimeracoffee.com. Put in the discount code Mind Pump for 10% at the checkout. If you guys have not tried Ben Greenfield's new bars out, they're fantastic. If you want some, go to bengreenfieldfitness.com forward slash nature bite. Put in the code Mind Pump and get 10% off. Go check it out. Next up is from Danielle CF2000. If you could go back in time, what would be the one piece of advice you would tell your pre-pubescent selves about fitness? We're getting real touchy-feely today. Pre-pubescent. You know what? Sal picked the questions today because he's all sick. So I read it by you. So all these questions are all... Memories. Right? Feel good questions. Feel good questions. Yeah, I would... It's good. I think if I had... If I could go back in time and convince myself, because I'm a hard-headed fucker, so I would be a tough... I think it would be tough to convince me, but maybe if I saw that it was me later on, I'd be like, oh, shit, he's from the future. I would say... I would say don't take any supplements because you're just wasting your money. I would say train your full body three days a week. You know, stop the body part splits and don't force feed yourself as much as you are because it's not benefiting you. You're not gaining more muscle from it. Focus on real foods and you'll save yourself a lot of health problems later on. Those are the three main things I think I would tell myself. I would definitely... I would echo that for sure. I think I would tell myself the same thing and I would add in their steroids because I did that in my early 20s. So it wasn't pre-pubescent, though. That's the only thing. So if we're trying to go all the way back, way, way back... Well, you guys didn't start till later anyway, so that's fine. That's what I'm saying. I didn't even start lifting until... Yeah, it was just plain sports, really. So if I'm talking about when I first started working out and going back, I would tell myself to not do that. I would probably educate myself on the nutrition component better, have a better, under-full, understanding of health and nutrition. And then I would probably tell myself to probably pace myself a little bit better. I think as a young kid, when I first started working out, I was definitely somebody who was in the gym twice a day and hammering the weights like crazy and just stuck in this trap of... I could just could not put weight and size on. And it was just the hardest thing in the world for me and I struggled with that so much and it was... I just had a lot. I was doing a lot. I couldn't eat enough and that's also what led me towards the steroid thing is because I thought that was the difference between me and everybody else that had gotten super ripped and buff and I would educate myself on that. I wish Huey Lewis could do the song for this segment. What was the song? Gonna go back in time. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, that would be more epic. I don't know. I didn't work out until later. So 16, something like that, more resistance training-wise, but as far as what I was doing, I definitely could have used a lot more structure with planning out the workouts and what I was trying to accomplish. I didn't even put any thought in that direction. I was just trying to keep up with whoever was benching the most or whoever was like... that was all I was fascinated by. I was like who was the strongest in whatever particular lift it was. I didn't really educate myself as to how to incrementally overload and progressively get there. It was more just like, ah, what can I lift today? So there wasn't a whole lot of thought process behind that. And also, I think definitely the nutrition side would have been a huge game changer if I would have put any sort of attention in that direction. I remember just going with whatever was popular at the time and throwing a ton of creatine, not even measuring it out, in with all this protein powder and just trying to load it with as much calories as possible to just throw this bomb into my stomach and gain weight. And so yeah, I mean, I could have completely done it differently and then benefited more long-term. Maybe that could have been the start of my specific stomach problems and things like that I could have avoided, especially just the quality of food was just terrible what I was putting into my body. I think that if I could change anything, it would have been just starting with quality foods and whole natural organic foods back then. I had a go-to meal when I would, let's see, by this time now I'm probably 16, 17 and I would drive, well, oh my God. That was a staple in my diet, bro.  Bagel dogs, dude. Because they were low on fat, bro. It was the crush. They were low on fat. They had protein. They had protein, they were low on fat. I remember as a kid the day I discovered when I discovered peanuts had protein. I remember that.   This is before they moved to 24 Fitness over there. I'd lift forever. I'd grab an American bodybuilding, oh sorry, I would drink a blue thunder before my workout because blue thunder had the most ingredients. You guys remember blue thunder? ABB. ABB. It had the most ingredients. What I mean by that is I would grab it, I'd turn it around on all the label. There was like 50 different like anabolic agents. Oh my God, I'm gonna get all those. I had Smilax. Remember Smilax?  So I had everything in it, so that was my pre-workout. Then after my workout, I would drink Amino, I think it was Amino 2050, or 2500 which had 25 grams of protein. And then I would pound that and then I'd drive to McDonald's and I'd get a double quarter pound of a cheese meal, so it was a number four, I remember the name, super-sized plus a 12-piece nugget because I'm like I want calories. And I had no concept of the, but I'm gonna flip this on its head. Let me say some of the stuff I did right. Here's some of the stuff I did right. I trained my entire body from day one, which most kids didn't do that. I didn't. That's an adaboy. You both did two things, you both said two things that I thought now listening to you talk, if I could go back I for sure would. Programming, I was definitely the guy who was like muscle confusion.  I was the PR changer.  They were confused. They didn't know what to do.  Which way do we go? So I would definitely change that. Programming was a huge deal. Once I finally put that piece together and understood the importance of that and kind of phasing in and out. That was a major, major game changer for me. What was the other one you just said? Well, I just trained my whole body. Oh, yeah. And then I didn't do legs. I skipped legs forever. For years. And the main reason, too, was I actually went mechanically.  Should I forget it? Yeah. And I would always come revisit it and try it.   Literally. Like that long. It was that long. And then it was like, okay, then I started, I gotta do more for my legs. So then it was like all the machines plus lunges. That was actually my original leg routine or my first favorite leg routine was leg press, hack squat, leg extension, leg curl. That was it. I literally did that until I worked out with a bunch of power lifters and did squats for the first time. And then it was, I would do barbell squats or front squats and sissy squats. Those were my, and dead lifts. And then I started doing those. But I was already pretty young. I was only 15, 15 or 16 when I started doing that. And I also identified weak body parts on myself and targeted the hell out of them. So I was a 15 year old, 14 year old kid doing rear lateral, rear raises for the back of my shoulders. Like, you know, most kids wouldn't do that. You know what I mean? So those are some of the stuff I did right, but everything else is pretty much wrong. Some of the things I did good. If I were to say some of the things I did, what I did good was I definitely, because I was so muscle confusion based, I definitely trained in a lot of different modalities, a lot of different planes. Like, I was in great shape. Like you, I could run with the, I could run with the best. I could jump with the best. I was decently strong. I wasn't the best at anything, but I was good at everything because I trained like all different modalities. And I could hang with you in a workout, like stamina wise. I was decently strong for my size. Like so, I did that pretty well, I think as a kid. I definitely stayed in programs too long because I'd, I'd marry them. Like the first workouts I did were kind of like Arnold Schwarzenegger style split, you know, routine, because I had Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia. So that's the routine I followed. Then I switched to Mike Menzer's heavy duty and boom, I built some muscle. So of course, what do you think happened? I married that, right?  I just kept doing that. You know what else I did really well that, and it reminds me now that I listened to Ben Pak a lot because he preaches this like crazy. I was very mechanically sound. Yeah. I was just gonna say that. I was super into mechanics. Like I was, I'm bad. I used to pride myself on lifting next to some, you know, meathead guy that was swinging the weight around. And I would grab like real lightweight and just be controlled and look like perfect form, you know. So I took a lot of pride on form and I used to never care about PRs. I used to never care about how much I was benching squat. Any of those movements, I was so mechanically driven and I think that definitely set me up for a lot later on to be successful. I think, yeah. So if I have to, I have to come up with something that I did do well. It was definitely master the skill of squat and bench and I actually did a decent job of just focusing on like power clean and I just never dead lifted. So I think that obviously power clean, I'll get some form of that in there, but it's more of an explosive, you know, complicated movement. But like those were like my three that I was just like adamant about like to PR, you have to like really, you know, get in good with the mechanics of it and master the skill of it. So I took that all the way from like early high school all throughout my college. Now was that because did you have a football coach that implemented that? Is that who taught you? That's originally who taught you? Did you guys get taught? Everything was revolved around those. So you had your coach, did you have anybody at him that kind of taught you anything? Wow. Boy, you make me, let me think here. I'm trying to, no dude, we were very much so self taught. I was, you know, body for life and you know, muscle magazines and Yeah, same here. I didn't have any. Yeah, we, it was my buddies teaching each other, teaching each other, bringing each other magazine articles. Oh, let's do this work out. Or like, Oh, I saw this, let's try that.  Well, it was a man back then, the supplement man at the fucking, you know, protein store or whatever. And he's told us to do this. I actually, that's literally like how we learned. Actually, my dad had a friend who used to compete. This was back then. So he competed in the 80s or whatever. And he was a muscular dude. He was a chiropractor and me and my cousin, I remember we were going to, they were visiting and my cousin was super excited. Cause we're these 15 year old kids who are trying to build muscle. And we knew this guy used to be a bodybuilder. And he walked in and he was like the buff this dude at this point I had ever met. And so we were super like, like nervous, like, but we want to ask him, like, what are some secrets you could teach us.  I asked him, I said, what is, like, what can you tell us? We want to build mass. Like our goal is to build some mass. And he says, here's what you do. He goes, eat real food, eat a lot of it and train your whole body three days a week. And I remember we left when he left that night. Me and my cousin pin drops. How old are you? Like 15. Wow. Me and my cousin was great. Me and my cousin actually got an argument over it because when he left, he was like, well, maybe we should try it. And I'm like, no, he's obviously not telling us cause we're kids. He thinks we're kids and we can't do it. And that's why he won't tell us. And we had this whole debate, like, was it true or was it not? And I'm like, none of the bodybuilding magazines say this. Like they're telling me to take all these supplements and do all these other type of routines. He was being, it was the best advice. I just didn't take it because I thought, I thought I'm a kid. You know what I mean? Why would he tell me the truth? Fuck. See, we're ready to receive. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Next question is from Sir Casey Bro. How would you train the public school system in health? Sir Bro. Boy, we need a whole overhaul Oh yeah. Dude, we do. We needed a whole. First off, let's make it a priority. And I know people have a concept of education and think, you know, they're there to learn, you know, important skills that are going to help them with their jobs in the future, like math and science in particular. What good are your jobs?   Here's the thing, like these are public schools that we're talking about. So we're paying for them with our tax dollars. We're going to go bankrupt because of our poor health. That's a fact. Well, that's what it's going to take for them to start making, implementing these changes in this direction. Maybe, I hope so. Because this is the first place they come from there. Aren't there studies too right now that are out, like to show like a, when a kid gets like 15 minutes of play every like hour or two, like their ability to focus on something is like significantly higher. I mean, there's enough stuff out there to show the importance of the exercise and movement. And I think like as a kid, like that's, I mean, if I had full control, right? Like money didn't matter and we could do whatever we wanted. I think I would definitely have a classroom setting that would be even potentially outdoor and active and moving and with all different age groups. So I definitely believe in the having, you know, kids that are five, six years older than the kids in the class, both, you know, so a wide range. And then there's physical activity built into the curriculum. So it's literally like mathematics isn't just sitting and like writing math on the board. It's like going out and like adding things up. Yeah, well like combining it. So like Dr. Ed Thomas, I always like kind of go back and see what he's doing because it's really interesting and how he implements both together. Like, so it's not just like this clear division of like, hey, recess and now everybody plays and runs or whatever and they don't incorporate it. They basically sit all the rest of those hours, right? Right. And so he actually like has scheduled breaks like, you know, 10 minutes where everybody gets up and they do like calisthenics or they do things that requires like your joints to move in all directions. And I mean, it's great because then the productivity goes way up. You know, the kids, you know, retain a lot more of what they learn and it's just like it's and they stay in great shape and there's less absences. You know, there's just so many benefits to it. They don't look at like, you know, all of that as to what it could be.  We're going to do these stretches while you're stretching. I'm going to go over this and talk to you about this or whatever and then interact with them. It's actually you retain things better that way. That's the trick that I do with my kids all the time. Yeah, it also gets them to stretch at the same time.   You're telling my kid whatever and it's an interesting situation to be in. I definitely think we should talk about health with kids starting very young. All the way up and talk about all health, total health, mental health, physical health, emotional health, who to talk to when you feel a certain way, why we eat healthy, not attach it to being fat or being thin, but attach it to our well-being. I like that mentality of adding in all these bullet points of how much more productive they're going to be, how much more they're going to retain from whatever they're learning for the day and all these different sort of positives that we can highlight and show just like start small, start with like a 10, 5, 10 minute period where the whole class interacts and they do something physical and then go right back to work and see what happens. The other thing too is have you guys seen school lunches? Not now. They're terrible. They were terrible back when I was a kid. They're still terrible.  It's like super unhealthy food that you give kids. Nobody's innovated this. No, and it's not... Whatever happened to... What was his name? Jamie Baker? Jamie... He did the whole thing where he was trying to travel all over the country. Was he the garden guy that was doing the vertical walls? No, no, no, no. This guy was trying to just... He was trying to bring awareness to childhood obesity and the problem in schools and he did the whole demonstration of what a chicken nugget is actually made of in front of all the kids and so that and it was like gross. I think he just pissed off a lot of schools. He was on... It was a big deal when he did all this. Some of these food organizations, these big food companies are some of the biggest donators to the school system. They're some of the biggest ones and they have partnerships. Like high schools will have Taco Bell... We'll have Taco Bell on campus or we'll have Pizza Hut on campus. We have Pizza Hut and Taco Bell on campus. That's right. Soda machines. Soda machines, big money. Every single day through high school a soda and either Taco Bell or Pizza Hut was a staple midday meal for me and then candy. I'd eat candy in class and I would eat Pizza Hut or Taco Bell with a soda. That was on our campus. That was the norm.  That looked like something they made a month ago. It was just terrible. So it was like, yeah, of course I'm going to get Taco Bell or freaking Pizza Hut. That's way better. And it was like the same price. Like, are you kidding me? This is fucking... I don't have a $5 burrito from Taco Bell.  Forming that palette, dude. Oh, yeah.  It is, it is a... You know, and I think it's like there's such this hard area, right? Because I feel like we get on it so bad.  That's a big wheel to turn, man. This whole food topic with schools. It's a monster one. I tell you what, I wouldn't want nothing to do with it. Oh man, lots of legislation. That would be bureaucracy. Be too afraid to tackle it. But a lot of people are kind of... How dope though would be... They don't think about it. How dope would it be though if part of the school system or part of the school is they had their own like farm. Yeah, you grow your own food. Some schools are starting to do that. I've heard about like some initiatives. That would be cool because then like educating them on the food like... Lots of science there. Right. And physical activity there. We're going to get out and we're going to hoe it and get it all ready and pick it and pull it.  Carrying the water over. I mean it could be... And what's cool about that is it could be a class and physical activity at the same time. It's applicable because then you can take it to your house and like have your own like sustainable food. And you get pride and you have pride in your... Yeah. And I feel like you could educate on the benefits of this whole natural food versus what, you know, they're selling at recess you know over there for whatever. Yeah.  Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know. Like you might, that's a conflict of interest. They're just going to kind of turn tune out. Let me ask you this.  Yeah. Kind of hard to do that. Just healthy kids. Justin, your kids played sports too. Do you guys rotate who brings the snack for the kids after the game? Yes. Are you the, are you the one that brings the health?  The orange slices the other parents bring the fruit snacks, right? Yeah. Yeah. It is frustrating because it'll be like, yeah, like popsicles or it'll be like rice, crispy treats with all this like, you know, chocolates, donuts. Yeah. That's happened before. Dude, when I was a kid, it was orange slices. That's what we got. That was like as healthy as you got. That's all we got. Our after game and halftime game snacks were, like my daughter plays soccer. She's over her games over one of the other parents. I give you a bird of kale. And I tell my, and my kids know they know, and I don't say anything because I don't want to, like I said, this is like a, it's her game. You know, I'll provide the healthy stuff healthy most of the time. And I don't want them to have a negative relationship, but they know because the parent will open the box.  They gave them Oreos.  Like, dude. And the kids are so excited.  Like, we're never going to be sponsored by them.  Like, they made, they made these shitty drinks that kids think are healthy. Yeah.  Michael Jordan used to drink it.   Every time you say, electrolytes, it literally puts peptides in electrolytes. It puts me back into that conversation when we were being pitched that day. Oh, I love that. Such a vivid memory of like, somebody. You guys ever heard of electrolytes?  We're taking you on. This is brand new territory. Can't wait to tell our audience. You should see, they're bringing the snacks. Oh no. They dread it. My kids will see me preparing something or my daughter or my son if it's their game. And then she'll look at me and be like, are you bringing the snacks today? And I'll be like, oh man. Because they know it's going to be like mozzarella sticks, fruit, something healthy. And then the kids when they come up after the game and I open the bag, here you go guys, apples. I know. And water. What's wrong with water? So crazy. It tastes like nothing. Quick commercial break. Hey, you can ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mind pump and get 20% off Brain FM for meditation or focus. You can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash mind pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to getnatureblend.com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield's CBD product. This question is from one rep at a time. What was an area of weakness you faced when building your brand? How did you overcome it? Would you consider it a strength now? Oh, I can, I know exactly what we do. Building our brand? I know what we do. Oh. What our weakness is that now we've worked on is we are all visionaries. We're very, very good at that. We love that. We could sit down and conceptualize and come up with great ideas and concepts. And we love doing that. Organization is very difficult for us. It's very, very difficult. And the way we've overcome it or we're overcoming it is we hire people to do that for us. Exactly. Which it was a rough road to get to. Definitely a rough road. But I mean, I mean, that's what you got to do, right? Otherwise, we're going to focus on something that we suck at and end up not doing what we're good at, which is the visionary part. Yeah. I think that's it. That's more business, really, not brand. So brand, are they talking about like us as far as training? I think they even at want that. I think it's anything to do with the business. But what's a weakness in the business that we first started that's probably a strength now in the business? I mean, I could think of lots of little different ones. I mean, everything from the facility that we're in right now, there's, when we, when you first started, like we were having to go shoot at a different gym where we were recording in Doug's living room when it first started. So the quality of everything that we that we do now is at a much higher level than what it was when we first started. So I think it's a strength. Now, I think I've only been in one studio that I think has even comes close to the level of ours.  It was television, right? You were going to say Telemundo. Telemundo. Destinos. So I think the level of our operation now is, I used to say this, right? I used to tell, I used to tell people that were close to me that most companies today with social media do it, the fake it till you make it, they pretend like they're a million dollar company, but they're really, they're really not. We were the opposite. Like we, we were, even when we were starting to have success and doing better, you would have never guessed because we weren't flaunting cars. We weren't, we weren't in a badass facility. We weren't doing those things. I actually feel like we're finally, we finally look like we actually are, which is, we are a legitimate business and company with employees and contractors and people that are working in the facility around the clock. So, I think that there's a lot of little stuff that's improved like that. Overall, even just like if you talk about the brand in general, you know, we've hired somebody now that manages the IG page. Taylor does an incredible job with that and I see that right now. I think, I love the way the Instagram looks right now for the mind pump media. Oh, he's done a great job. Yeah, I think it looks really professional. I think it looks cool. I think it definitely fits us. Oh, I got to, we're getting better at that. Yeah. And I think, I think one of the things that maybe some people might have thought was a weakness was, you know, the way that we just, we, we spit it out. We spit it out, unedited, you know, like the way that our delivery, even with YouTube we're out there. We have it already in our head and we kind of do it on the spot, but we don't like clean it up, you know, like it's not like we take that extra long time to really overly produce all this stuff. And That's a good, because it's become a part of our brand. It's our brand. It's our brand. And now we're like sort of, you know, cleaning up pieces of that. So like, along with what you're kind of saying as far as the look and aesthetic of what we're doing and everything is what we are, you know, and it's definitely working for us. I got a good one. When we first started the show, we did the first, I don't know how many episodes we did, quite a few and we had never interviewed a single guest. We did most of them where it was just me, Adam and Justin. And we have really good chemistry with the three of us. And when we first did interviews, it took us a while before we got comfortable doing interviews because we hated doing them.  It sucked. They weren't, they didn't feel well. To a point where we actually considered at one point, never doing interviews. It was because we had a new person in the room and we, all of a sudden our chemistry was off and now we're just like three people trying to do this robotic thing of interviewing or whatever. And that took a while. It took some practice before we started to feel good. And now I think we're pretty good at it. One of the most common things that we get complimented on when people leave the show. And that, at least for me, that's been probably one of the coolest things as far as receiving a compliment is when people come take, get on the show as far as an interview and we're talking about bigger named people that have been on Joe Rogan's and bigger shows and stuff like that have told us afterwards that this was the best interview I've ever had. People love the conversation style of interview that we do. Everybody else. It took us a while to figure that out too. What we literally did was we just said, hey, you know what? They're coming in to our chemistry. Yeah. Let's just include him in that. Remain true. And then it just, what happens is the person, and this is usually how it breaks down, we like to meet with people before we record a podcast. Very rarely will they come in and then right away we record. We'll hang out with them and initially you can tell they're like, they can feel it and they're trying to kind of get into it right now. And then the interviews get a lot better. That's probably the best example. Well, it is the best example because it was for sure a weakness. We all hated it. We all said it was terrible. And it has probably become a staple. Like it's definitely a strength of ours now that to the point where people compliment us that, oh my God, that was the coolest or the best interview I've ever been a part of. So I think that's a for sure one as far as other stuff. But it's got a lot better. It was all selfies. I don't know. You know, I don't know what I was doing.  Yeah, I think I got a trophy for mine. So it was pretty cool. What do you hear? We, I think the the whole all of that's coming together right now too. So actually, I think an area that's going to be a strength of ours. And again, we hired, we hired out here.  We had other things to worry about. And now that we're in a position where we can afford to hire people to help us, we are now finding the right people that compliment the business. And so honestly, there's a lot of exciting stuff happening right now in the next like 90 days. I mean, the complete websites getting changed, salary revamped, the nutrition guy, which is coming out again, like a lot of cool stuff is coming down, down the pipeline that I think is going to be a strength of ours. Because we really haven't, we haven't done any marketing, which is crazy to create. It's crazy to think that this business is where it's at with zero dollars really well, other than the the porn ad and a few Instagram celebrities we tried. It's a black guy. But for the most part, we haven't spent any money in that direction and we are, we're heavily vested in that direction now and it's all getting put together. And so it'll be interesting to see it all unfold. And I do believe that we have found the right companies, the right teams to affiliate with and I'm really excited because I think it's going to be a major strength of ours. And I can't wait till we get to a point where we can just start like we've talked so much about going on the road and visiting gyms and visiting in our format. I can't wait for that. Our intros? Oh, oh yeah. So much better. And like just the way the show's evolved, like I listened to some of our older ones and I do think that we've started to kind of hone in on the format. For sure. For sure. Want to add that. Excellent. Check it out. 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Welcome to Adventures in Small Business, a collaborative effort by the Small Business Administration, the Department of Development Center, the Veterans Business Outreach Center, and the Patsy Teemake Center for Business and Leadership. I'm Teri Funakoshe, and I'm your host today. And today we have with us Hillary Darby, owner of Belakai Yoga. Before we start, Hillary, I want to congratulate you on your award this year for being the Veteran Women-Owned Small Business of the Year, awarded by SBA and VBOT. Congratulations. Thank you so much. I could not have done it without the support of the MCBL team, so thank you. Congratulations. So, Hillary, why don't we get into it, and why don't you just tell us about yourself, your background. I'm excited to hear all the good stuff. Yeah. Well, as we discussed, the name of the program is Tales of an Accidental Yogi, and I came into this completely backwards. My name, as you said, is Hillary Darby, and originally from Georgia, but joined the Navy when I was 17 years old, and have been doing the Navy ever since, and found out my love for yoga through some mandatory fun, as we call it in the military. And went to my very first hot yoga class, and got hooked there. So a little bit additional background, though. I went to the Naval Academy, I graduated from there, secured a billet in flight school, and went to Pensacola, Florida, earned my Wings of Gold, and had the great privilege and honor to be on the wave of combat aviation as they were opening up. And so I was selected to fly the SH-60 Bravo helicopters. And so each service has a variant, and I fly the Hawk, so the Seahawk. So there's the Black Hawk, the J-Hawk, anyway. Each service has its own version, and they had just opened that up to women. So I was able to step through that door and explore aviation in a whole new way. Wow, that's exciting. So, yep, and they gave me the training, they gave me the resources, and then I was able to fly off of both coasts. San Diego, Jacksonville, I served as a flight instructor, and I've been on a major staff and really have just had some amazing and exciting opportunities, got my education, have a master's in international service from American University, and that was just one of the many, many opportunities that I've been afforded along my journey. And the overarching drive, though, has been in service. And I've always believed that it's about having a vocation and not a job. And so wherever I am, I try to think in terms of how do I best serve. And so I think that that is where I am now, that is where as I look forward in the future. Great. So how did this all translate to having a yoga studio? I know, I know. So as I was sharing, I was working with the Marines. And at the time, our commanding officer, and I was his second, said, Exo, we're going to go do some high yoga. And I went, why? Who wants to do yoga in the heat? And so as a good second in charge, I said, yes, sir, let's go do that. And so we went and grabbed the mat, the towel. And I was exhausted and transformed at the end of class. And I just kept going back. And then a couple of years later, the studio was for sale. And it had changed hands multiple times. And so I had seen it and gone through that little bit of panic as a student, kind of like you would if your favorite coffee shop was going out of business or your favorite restaurant. And I saw the studio change hands. And it was about to change hands again. And I remembered that desperation of where will my home be to practice yoga? Because by that time, I had realized that the yoga was an element that allowed me to better live every aspect of my life. So I was a better mom. I was a better wife. I was a better leader in the military. And I also found that through yoga, I could also facilitate relationships not only with others, but with myself. Wow, that's a lot. So tell us exactly. So you didn't want your yoga studio to close, right? You had an entrepreneur kind of buzz. So what was the next step? How did you actually acquire the studio? Oh, my goodness. So I talked to my husband. And I said, I know this sounds super crazy. But I think we can do this. And how do you feel, because I was retiring from the Navy, how do you feel about us buying the local yoga studio? Because it's right down the street from my house. And so I was in communication with the previous owner when she was in the process of selling it. And she had another potential buyer. And it felt as strange as this sounds, like a compulsion from the universe. Some strange compulsion that we had to go forth and purchase the yoga studio so we could keep it local, keep it for the community. And our goal has always been to be a beacon of light for the Wynward community and the heart of Kailua town. And so, but I did it all wrong. I absolutely, I mean, I answered the call. And I went with my gut. But I also, I didn't have a business plan. I didn't know, I wasn't trained to teach yoga. I just knew I loved to take yoga. And I thought to myself, yeah, it's probably like owning a football team, right? Or those people that own the Dallas Cowboys or the Atlanta Falcons, they don't play football. They just run the show. So I can do that. I know how to run a show. And wow, there are a lot of lessons to be learned in that journey. So I found out after the fact about all the tremendous resources and I think we'll get to that later. But we jumped in just like holding our nose, our eyes open and we're like, oh my gosh, just jumping into the pool and trying to figure out how to swim is how our adventure began. With the love of the yoga, the love of the community and a firm belief that it would work itself out as long as we focused on making a difference before we focused on making a dollar. So I know that's the passion. You went in, you loved it, you started it. And then when did you realize like, hey, I might need some business to be here. Oh my gosh, day one. Like as soon as the paper was signed, because you know, it's like kind of like buying a house when you're buying a preexisting business. I didn't go through that, hey, let me look for a space or let me just kind of line up everything. It was just like, okay, here you go. You're now the new owner of, and at the time it had a different name. So you're the new owner of, you know, Vikram Yoga Kailu and I went, oh my gosh, I have to make sure that, you know, and then some of the teachers went away. So pretty much as I was stepping into it, I was having to figure out, you know, bringing in resources, understanding payment, understanding the systems that allow you to sign in and check in, setting up bank accounts. I mean, it was from pretty much day one. And of course my husband was out of town at his job. Right? And I went, what have I done? So what kind of resources did you find to help you? Well, I was actually just kind of sharing with a friend and she knew Noella Napoleon from Launch My Business. And so I was talking to my friend and she said, Hillary, I think you should talk to this lady. She's my business mentor, my business counselor, and this is part of the resourcing at the Patsy Mink Business Center. And I never heard of you guys and I remember going, huh, I wish I'd known about this before because I had tried to do a Boots to Business class with the military because I had heard of that and I thought, okay, so I'll learn about being an entrepreneur that way even though I'm now already one. And so something happened, the class got canceled and anyway, I met my friend who referred me to Noella and so we met a few times as I were, you know, shared some of the challenges of the business and then I learned about that cohort class. They'll launch my business class and she said, Hillary, you really should go because you're just gonna get this wealth of information and then this forever resourcing that you can always reach out and call and if they don't know the answer, they're gonna help you find it and that was so true. And when I went, I was, you know, because I'm used to like protocol and organization and things like that and the class was actually exceeded all of my expectations and I had high expectations because I had already met, you know, one of your, the lead teachers for that and I thought, wow, this is well done and I went home that first day. It started actually at the little in-doc session that you do for us and I went home that first day and I said, which I'd known about these folks beforehand because it has just been nice knowing you have a partner in your journey, in your business journey. Well, we're happy to see you grow. We saw you from, you know, when you came in till now winning all these awards. So I want it, I know we have a picture of your studio so I want everyone to see that because it's really nice and you did a great job. So tell us about what we're looking at. So this is the lobby as you walk into Belakai, Yoga. We're on the second floor on Hololive Street in Kailua town across from Harawa, Hawaii and right on top of B-Box Cafe. So you walk in and we really wanted to evoke a sense of safety, a sense of carefree, a sense of arriving home. And so the name Belakai actually is intended, our daughter's name is Bella and Kai is the ocean with its limitless possibilities and that sense when you look at the ocean and you feel like you're part of something bigger than yourself and that's what I want people to feel like when they walk into the space. So you walked in and we had one of our students actually helped us with the feng shui and so right now you're seeing a picture of our warrior wall and we'll talk a little bit about warriors at ease, the nonprofit that I work with. And so we have a whole section dedicated to the warrior wall, another section to the hot because we do a lot of the hot yoga and we really just want to have a warm, inviting space so you can talk story and feel like you're with family. Oh, that's nice. So you said it, you named it after your daughter. Yes. Tell us a little bit about your family. Well, my husband, JD, he's a godsend. He has been supporting me every step of the way and he's former Navy, he works for the government and he retired after 30 years of service with the Navy so we're very like-minded in our approach to service and also with our daughter who is, she just turned 13 and so she's been with me as well and she helps me when she can and she's one of the inspirations. We have a little wall where it's got mermaids and aloha and so we have some fun stuff there but she is our safe space. She is our representation of being part of something bigger than yourself and so really I wanted to translate that feeling that we have within our small family to the windward family and to create that sense within the extended aloha of you can come, you can be yourself, leave your judgment at the door, just be with us. And so, and nothing matters, right? And so Bella is like that and she is just the most amazing soul and so once again she inspires me to do what I do and she's already entertaining ideas and options for service, she's not sure yet but she's working with the Girl Scouts, has already worked with the Pacific Aviation Museum and some different things with me and so. That's great and I know that they're an inspiration and I met your family and they're wonderful and all entrepreneurs need that support so very lucky you have such an amazing family but we're gonna take a short break, a one minute break but when we come back, we're gonna ask you the hard questions of more challenges and then ask you the fun stuff. What's so unique about your business and what kind of programs you run? So we'll be right back in one minute. Stay tuned, thank you. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. I'm getting older, do I need to worry about falling? Yes you do, each year one in four people 65 and older will experience a fall and many will be serious. The majority of falls happen at home so remove things that could make you trip and install handrails to keep you steady. To learn more about the steps you can take to help prevent a fall, please talk to your doctor. You can also visit aarpfoundation.org or medicaremadeclear.com slash falls. This message was brought to you by United Healthcare and AARP Foundation. Welcome to Sister Power. I'm your host Sharon Thomas Yarbrough where we motivate, educate and power and inspire all women. We are live here every other Thursday at 4 p.m. and we welcome you to join us here at Sister Power. Aloha and thank you. And I think they're. Aloha, welcome back to Adventures in Small Business. We're talking with Hilary Darby from Bella Kai Yoga. So Hilary, we left off and then I wanted to ask you so what are the challenges in the yoga industry? So in Hawaii especially there is a lot of competition so that was one of the challenges that I knew it but I didn't really think about it in very real specifics in terms of sales or inventory. I just assumed that if I continued to offer a good product and a good service then it would yield just like effort equals yield. But I learned it becomes important and that's one of the other things that I learned at the Patsy Minx Center about really trying to assess what you offer, define your brand and then try to market in the way that you're different from the competition because there's nothing wrong with the competition. They all have what they bring that's unique but then you realize that you are trying to sell your brand to those folks to bring them in the door and that was a good lesson for me to know. The other thing too is that there are a lot of different teachers but not every teacher is made the same and so just learning to navigate how to work with personnel and to try and though I have experience working with different personalities I had never really worked with it in this kind of niche before because my background is very different than a yoga background so I question whether my previous experience had translatability and then because I wasn't a trained instructor at first I also thought am I, do I not, because I'm not walking the walk, how do I talk the talk? So that for me became a priority was to get myself certified to teach so that then I would have credibility because in my previous opportunities I've had credibility because I've already been in the trenches but here I didn't feel as if I had the credibility so I was swooping in so working to get that credibility understanding that the competition and then the other thing too is sometimes you have challenges like with your landlord for example and when how to navigate those waters in a very constructive and productive way and finding those lines between diplomacy but then also realizing at some point you're not only standing up for yourself but you're standing up for every single client that walks through the door and that becomes important to understand and then to realize that there's certain ways that you have to respond and work through that. So you're talking about commercial leasing that's a big topic for a lot of entrepreneurs that rent space. Do you have any examples that you wanna share or that advice to give other? Well I certainly would when I went through this process at the beginning I just hired a lawyer out in town and I paid a lot of money and I remembered having one of my first conversations with Noella and she was like you paid what for what and found out that basically the Patsy Mink Center would have helped me do almost all of that for seriously pennies on the dollar and so they would have saved money which would have been part of that cushion of entrepreneurship because that capital is so important to have. So even still as I've gone through different challenges I've worked through the Patsy Mink Center because you can meet with a lawyer they'll review your lease and then they also refer you to their previous cohort graduates so they're a launch of my business graduates then that they've worked and mentored with so you already have a network that is kind of like endorsed it's like the Angie's list of good business entrepreneurs so you feel that your dollar is gonna be respected and sometimes when you're kind of navigating these waters you're just going oh I hope this is right and so it gives a real comfort to know that and some of the challenges could be everything from parking to maybe it wasn't clearly defined in the lease and now or you didn't read it as carefully as you should have and now you find that you are responsible for things that perhaps you didn't realize and now you have a disconnect between what you think should be taken care of by the landlord and what the landlord thinks should be taken care of by the landlord so once again just having some advocates you know I know I keep beating the drum and no I am not getting paid to say this but it has just really been helpful. Well I mean that's always number one like before you sign a lease look through it, does it meet your needs, right? A lot of times leases are written you know for the landlord, for the property but what do you need as an entrepreneur so I'm glad you got that service and I did and I had actually gone to the right what I thought was the right folks but they didn't read it with the eye for small business which is very different than just big pockets large-scale business. That's interesting right, I'm looking at it not just legally the words and what's in there but actually for you for that small business. And I believe that had I taken advantage of your resources that I would have had that lens that would have been helpful to me and would have enabled me to ask maybe better questions or maybe bring it back for negotiation on some things. Well I mean that's a tough one but you know live and learn right? But I want to get to what makes your yoga studio unique I know you have a lot of wonderful programs so you want to tell us about that? Sure, well first you know we've alluded to this and I've brought up the concept of service over and over and over again so you know when you look at our website you know we talk about service and then we also illustrate the different things that we're doing to try to serve the community so we work, I started working initially with Huakailani School for Girls which is now at the Kokokahi YWCA and our daughter has been there since she was four because I wanted to help enable the passion that I'd seen there and our tagline is practice with passion and so I wanted to kind of honor the passion that I see in all of those teachers and then once again through a backdoor mechanism I found out about warriors at ease and so I was at a friend of mine who I had met through the school ironically and they live on the east coast and they'd come back to Oahu for their daughter's bat mitzvah and we were in the same row with the Warriors at Ease Executive Director and myself and so that east coast friend of both of ours facilitated a connection now that we're going forth and growing with so Warriors at Ease is a national non-profit that works essentially to try to promote health and resilience within the active duty veteran and military family community and so what they do is they take a yoga or a meditation teacher and they give them techniques so that they can present yoga or meditation in a more effective way and so all of the yoga is trauma sensitive military culture informed and evidence based and so there's a lot of research on the website a lot of and we've seen firsthand how it's making a difference not only in the lives of our studio members and I think there's some pictures too I don't know if you've already showed them or not oh yeah we have some pictures of you actually doing yoga with the Warriors at Ease so let's take a look at that I love those pictures so right there that's Ms. Cindy and actually these pictures were taken for an article that came out November 9th on how to lose civil beat and so they came to the studio and they took some wonderful photos but this is why we're doing what we're doing so you have not only the visible wounds of war or the visible wounds of service you have invisible wounds so it could be sexual assault, sexual harassment or post-traumatic stress as well and so it allows this program trains the yoga teacher trains the meditation teacher to understand that and to have techniques so that they can create that safe container that safe space so that people feel comfortable and want to come practice so we have families there you know kids come sometimes and it's just this cross-section of people so we offer for yoga on Wednesday nights to active duty veterans and their families at seven o'clock at the studio and all of those classes are facilitated by a Warriors-Eddie's trained teacher and a lot of folks that I've talked to has said that this is grounding that this often will allow that tool in the toolkit along with other things so Warriors-Eddie's doesn't try to say all you need in your life is yoga but they say it can very much be a compliment to living your life more fully and we all have trauma this isn't unique specifically to military the idea of trauma but we all have trauma and understanding how to more therapeutically and effectively cope with stress is a goal and they've really quantified and edified how to do that process wow that's wonderful so how do they find out more information if they want to find out more about your program well they can come to our website at Belacai Yoga so www.belacaiyoga.com or send an email Belacai Yoga or I'm sorry www.belacai.com and then so Google Belacai and you'll find it and then belacaiyoga.com and we can send all kinds of information but on our website are links that talk about Huakailani School for Girls and what we've done together so we've fundraised lots of funds so over thousands of dollars to contribute to both of these causes and so Warriors-Eddie's actually has a direct link and so you can go into their website and see some of the amazing photos and the testimonials and the stories and the research that's in there and so our website actually serves as that one stop shopping not only can you see that kind of information and what we're trying to do for the community but then you can see you can dig in and you can see our schedule and you can see what we're all about and meet our teachers that way so that's great thank you so much for being a community contributor so now here's the question you're doing such great work you've been recognized this year for all your work so what does the future look like for Bella Kine next, I don't know, five, ten years? You know, I am going to probably get some good consulting on that but what I would really like to do is expand our reach and to still focus on being that service-oriented but to diversify a little bit more I'd like to find a brick-and-mortar somewhere else I think maybe somewhere more centrally located when we're a community and I'd like to be focused on really facilitating wellness programs and maybe we expand beyond yoga so we have now such an amazing cadre of folks that I've met everything from people that teach Tai Chi that are warrior cities, teachers to other folks that are massage therapists acupuncturists so I really have a vision of a more well-rounded wellness approach as well as how to be programmatic and to give more tools to the women's side So you're trying to expand? Yeah Oh, that's wonderful so do you have any prospects in line at where you want to expand in the area? Am I allowed to say that? Oh, I don't know So, I don't know we recently worked, actually it was three of my contacts at the Patsy Mings Center we worked with Huakailani School for Girls and they just relocated to the Windward the Kokokahi YWCA on Kaniyia Bay Drive and that campus is so beautiful and that when you walk in and you drive down and you look at the bay and you see the greenery and you know that they're farming and there's the butterflies and their association with the Girl Scouts and they're trying to grow those programs I would love to figure out how to make Kokokahi a home and marry up with the YWCA That wasn't a plug I was just asking Yes, no, I would that I was just there yesterday morning dropping my daughter off and I looked out over the water and said this feels like home Yeah, it's beautiful out there so I know what you're saying but Hillary, I want to thank you so much for joining us today you know, I know your work and I thank you so much for everything you do for the community and for the veterans and again, congratulations on your achievement and your award and again, please tell the audience where they can help you get in touch with you, your website Sure www.bellacayoga.com or you can send an email to bellacayoga.ech-email.com Great, thank you and thank you for joining us at Adventures in Small Business and we'll see you next week Thank you


In spite of all that I have lost, I myself am present. I love life, ferociously. I love life for life's sake. Birth gives us the green light. Man helps us with the red. Birth gives us the green light. We can say the sky is available no matter where you are. It's the same sky, whatever country you are living in. You can't move any farther if you are insecure. I go through the leverage world and then through happiness. Last time I used to work at the WP department and one of the workers there used to live in Chingford. So he used to pick me up from all of them so that's how I learned the route. Coming and going, like the distance that there is between people when you walk alongside them. Once I came out of the UK, no one checked my passport. I went into Switzerland and I came out of the train station and no one checked my passport. I was like, wait, maybe I've done something wrong. So I went back and spoke to the guy and said, hey, is there like a passport? No, no, just go. So that was the first time in my life that I could travel freely and I just couldn't believe it myself. It felt amazing. I just felt like, then I realized that maybe I was the same as everyone living here. That was the first time I felt like that. Because every time whenever there's something to do with trouble, I never do it because I know I have to apply for a visa and the process is long, so I never do it. But this time after I left London, I felt like that. Going out of London and coming back to London was the hardest place of the whole journey because of the immigration stuff. But once I entered Europe, it was just like, I was an ordinary person. It's like cargo, really. Bing, bing, bing. It's like everyone's in a box. We're not there yet. We have never really arrived, never quite there. We have not completed the journey yet. The goalpost is always further. You've done this, but that's not good enough. We need you to do this. A lot of people have done this. It would be great if you could do that. No, it's not about restrictiveness. It's about safety. So safety of your children is a basic step. You can't move any farther if you are insecure. Yes, it's one of the places where sometimes I sit at this time. I sit here drinking coffee, watching people. That's the entrance of the famous Berry House. Yes, it's an amazing building. It's a great place. London is too...  They may not... The status thing, it's not apparent. Let's say if someone first looks at me, they won't think or it doesn't have a very safe passport. So there's so many people that look like me If you think that racial abuse does not happen in the UK, we'll think again. And it happens not only in the UK, but here in London and here in Canada. I didn't see Buddhism anymore. I went from one... We were going on the trains and then we were like, oh, we just entered Italy now.  We entered for one to another country, like it was the city. So that felt really nice. In my free time, what I like to do is just go into charity shops and then I just shop there.   We are Muhammad. That's how we spend our day. And we're off. 14 of wine. 15 of spoil. 16 to live here. 17 to show you. 18 to wear you.  Oh, that's my friend Muhammad. We just finished that gym. We're going back to Berry House. To have the famous food. Catch you later. We pay £90,000 a year, but then they don't let you in. They just say, we'll go to the library. But we're just going to stay in the room and do work. We're not going to do anything else. And then they'll kick us out and lock us in the next day. If I get any later than after the night passes, which is like two hours ago. So it's like I have a restriction there. Over here, we sit in the afternoon and we gather and spend a good time. Also here, it's the smoking area. That's the famous place where I live. There's no life to rigid. You have to find the beauty in such places to keep one going on. Like you were saying, you watch the airplanes. Yes, you watch the airplanes. Sometimes you just need to find a way to spend your time. Otherwise, you'll get crazy. Sometimes, nothing to do. You just go to the park and feed the dogs. There's a very beautiful, huge park and they have dogs and geese in it. Feed them bread, feed the pigeon. This is the country you are living in. No matter what the weather, the sky is always available for you. You know, the sky represents freedom. Yeah, no. While man is unable to, how do I explain to you how a painting never refused a war, not a war, a painting? Actually, it's not a verbal way to express yourself. You don't have to explain. And also, sometimes we can't explain. It's just there. Or we can't understand. But you can express yourself, relieve yourself through expression. I think this is a very, very healing process. My psychology and also my own expression through art made a big difference in the healing process and understanding, given what is going on. It was interesting because people will see how we are living our lives. So we spent our day. Unfortunately, I couldn't record more because a lot of people with no please want to be recorded. And my friend Ali, he never goes in any pictures. So I thought that I'm going to take a picture. When he saw the camera, he moved backward. So it's hard to record people everywhere. But it will be really nice so people know how we live our life. How asylum seekers spend their time. What do they do in their life? What are the opportunities that they can have? Because right now, we are in a status quo condition, which is not moving, sitting in our place. We have a lot of things to offer to the community and to help people in different ways. It's the opportunity to do that. So that's what we're looking for.