Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me once again as always Somehow that's still true even though you weren't here last week, but that's okay. It's my co-host Tom. He's back. What's up, buddy? Hello friends. It's very good to have you back here Tom. You missed a fun and spirited discussion last week It seems like I caught some of it. If you actually go back and rewatch the episode and watch the comments I'm actually stirring up trouble in the comments. I know you were in the comments. I just chose to ignore you But yeah, of course I saw you I do watch the comments everybody It's like right here. I can see it right right to the side of where I'm looking Well, we've got a big old night tonight because oh My goodness, I did not expect that this was gonna be this show when we were planning for this show I was like, you know Hey woe did is doing his worst sculpts thing and he had talked kind of about good stuff And I want to talk about I want to celebrate best sculpts too I have my own opinions on that and I really am into sculpts like that will sell an army to me I think it sells our armies for most of us So we were kind of talking about what models we wanted and stuff like that and then all of a sudden We're boom boom The news dropped on us like a brick today I'm excited. So Tom, let's get ready news We just have to say this. I want to just extend a thank you to GW and their marketing team Yeah, yeah or for dropping this on Wednesday, you know on Wednesday It would have been terrible if they dropped this tomorrow We would have had to do like an emergency show.  And so this one they did on Wednesday. And you know what GW? Thank you I know you're out there and I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you community team Well, like as we're going to talk about to like Joking aside my biggest Limbasting of the preview of Marathi was like, what is this? What is supposed to be in here, right? Like you just told us this book is coming and the problem is we're all gonna fill it with our hopes and dreams And then they but and it's gonna end up being like, you know I think I actually quoted that the final demon Pandora released from the box It was hope right right and yeah And then we got this site today, which is the major thing in the news like there's a rumor engine up It's a spear thing. I don't really care. There it is. Great. We talked about it.  It's the vampire at harpoon. Okay. Okay. Sure. Yep. More vampire It's my my ask is we've seen 50 million things that might be vampire It's just give us this army Like can we just see a preview sometime soon of what this army allegedly is we know? You're sitting on an AOS army GW probably three of them at this point that got pushed back Right if not for COVID there'd be probably two out by now or one one out one about to come out And one we know was coming right that we only had previews of that's the read That's the real deal here So can we pre please just get this vampire reveal whatever your vampire plans are Stop slow draining us here. Okay. We're all ready to we're all ready to cross over So so just spoil it just do it do it three two one do it. Okay. Yeah, then pirates All right, great. Yes. We got this little umbra net thing. We got pirates We got vampires. We got all sorts of stuff just put the picture together for us Show us what the new year contains. That's that's what I what I want for Christmas GW is to know what the heck What's up with vampires? All right, okay I just want to shout out Efren who said it's gonna be vampire rats like vampire Scaven done done. No, look for the stowaways. Those are the stowaways. Be my favorite thing ever We need another take on Skaven. It's a vast concept able to be explored I know it's already the biggest book as far as scrolls are tied for but I don't care expand it further more scrolls Yeah, more and more Agree with it though. I'm still holding out for Tiki Island not over sure. That's that's the one We're all we all anxiously await. They'll sell tens of them. Okay, so So at any rate Who cares that room wrench thing happened there it is think what you will of it great fantastic wonderful All right Now let's talk about broken realms man because we got the drop today They dropped it on us like this is like an e.m. Song That's eight minutes in and then the drop happens and everybody's just like oh, oh, thank God So here's the deal. Here's the deal. This is how This is what should have popped up may take this way at the end of the malign portons timer Right Yes Yeah, no, you're right at the end of the malign portons timer We got a nothing. We got a we got like the we got the pick the wrong door of Right just a goat. Yeah, but that's not gonna be a thing to make sense to half With a bunch of like really interesting information that has a bunch of like tantalizing hints D tailed Information stuff we this is what I wanted you want like look I've been I'm harsh on GW when they do things bad But I'm praising of GW and no one gets more excited when they do things right and this is how we do it Okay. Yes. Yes Good job genobs. Yeah, so so let's get into the specific stuff Tom because there's there's a lot to unpack here Agreed agreed. So let's talk about it. We have a broken realms website And what do we have on that broken realms for a website? Well book one that we know is coming is Marathi Which means obviously there are more than one book, right? Sure easy and they focused on five factions They're gonna be touched upon in book one Marathi Those factions are Yes, before we do that I just want to say the narrative arc of this is that Marathi is going after her Godhood right and she's willing to like burn bridges do anything she needs to do to get there and these five factions are all going to be Involved in that narrative arc. Okay. Now, there's a wonderful. Yes There's a wonderful trailer drop which seemed to imply that like all allies are simply fools Basically, yeah, but I mean that's all he's thought so that's right. Yes, but she's you know, like she has this this monologue about the soliloquy about a Mirror and how a mirror is a reflection like allies and blah blah blah, but they simply don't know the truth and yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. And so that's happening It kind of reminds me of the end times I mean sure it's a there's clearly a big narrative arc here and I'm I'm excited because it really looks like the It really looks like the the idea of this It's gonna is that it's gonna push the story the world the models the releases in a big way And that's always gonna break the realms. Yeah, sure sure broken realms So but no like what I mean by that is like it the book or at least the first book I would guess the rest are named after major Movers and shakers sure sure And queen thank well Archeon. Yeah, yeah here. We have Marathi and She's pursuing godhood like she's making her plight for godhood Which is functionally what the gosh did and then the gosh volume one friend. Yeah, sure sure I mean, I as we all know book 5 will be Baha Blast as as Dana Howell tweeted out today And I agree with that call. I think that's absolutely right Uh-huh Blast bold prediction. Yeah, indeed So let's talk about the details of what we got here. You're right five factions daughters of cane Cities of Sigmar Stormcast Eternals slaves to darkness and I'd net deep kid Fantastic, I thought this is gonna be two factions. No, no super-sized. We're getting five And we have 24 factions in a OS currently Sure, um and so, you know the estimate originally was four to five books Was the guess is what I heard somebody somebody trot out sure and so that would actually cover everybody Also, I'm sure just a quick aside. I don't know where you're counting like is your 24 including legions of Not real dwarves.  No, they're not legions vascular Okay, no, no, then that is the GW categories. So when you go to the GW page, okay Then there are 24 battle tomes function. They left Yeah, they left the option to leave out anybody because they said in the in the specifically on the site It says we'll be covering all the major factions So at the end of this when there's no You're not a major faction So this is Austin said five factions is just the one book This is five all five of these appear in this one book, okay? So this is just the in Marathi. We're gonna get updates for all five of these Do you think we're gonna get out like a collector's edition box set like we did in times? I Don't know. I couldn't say they'll do special stuff for this clearly because they are you asking me? Is there a way for them to print something slightly different and make more money off of it because nerds will collect it Yes Yes, I hope so So I want a big set of collector's edition books at the end of this sure sure I mean, I've got all my big hardback sleeved and times things. They're fantastic. So I love them Yep. All right. So obviously first up on and what I loved about this preview is again, we got into the deets Right, we did Actions yeah, yeah, but no they gave us actual like details of what's happening within each faction. Yes, just amazing But this is more information folks than we almost ever get on anything. I agree. This was a crazy This was the equivalent of No, this is more information than we would get in a normal like event Reveal. Yeah, 100% it is. Yes. Yeah, like this is more information than if you went to the adepticon like reveal show Yep, because we actually know like worse girl numbers and battalion numbers and we don't normally get any of that So this is amazing. So here we go. So daughters of came. Let's hit. Let's hit the daughters first Vince Do you want to hit them? Yeah, sure. So we're getting a new temple The Xanthar Kai temple, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right But I don't really care either it might be like Xanthar Kai or it's Cobra Kai Strike first strike hard. No mercy. That is the new temple. I don't care I'm calling this now. You cannot put Kai as this KAI as the second word in a temple name on a murder army and Not expected to call it Cobra Kai That has snakes And probably be the snake focus It'll probably have a snake focus because it'll probably be because it's kind of in line with the whole snake hero in the box It is if this really is a Cobra Kai. I'm gonna have to repaint my daughter's army yellow and black Cobra Kai That is what this temple is called if you call it anything else I will not acknowledge you or know what you're talking about. Okay. You don't exist to me This isn't forever more Cobra Kai period Okay now So We get there's a there is a battalion for it as well as a new allegiance specifically for it, which I love Okay, I'm all about I'm about this life Uh And then we know that we are getting new war scrolls for Marathi Who can now be in both forms on the table at once and here is what I will say People are saying yes, we called that we did Although there was somebody who reached out to me and just said Uh, you know, hey, I was looking at this art. This is really cool What do you think is going on here? And then I looked and I said, I think this is what's going on here I'm gonna talk about it on the show And so I wouldn't have ever caught it had I not gone back to that art because of people asking me about that to the image The art wasn't just I didn't just Pull that out of that. That wasn't that's not fully us. So don't like we're not going to take credit for that Right, but I'm glad to see we were right I love the idea of both baby Marathi and big Marathi being on the table at once. Yes. Yes. Yes New Marathi no longer like having her as both a spellcaster and a bully I assume it's expensive to do all of that and I am again all about it sounds fantastic Let's get this going. Uh Yeah strike hard strike pass no mercy. That's right. Let's knock them Yes, so Good stuff there like with that combined with the new iron scale that we're getting out of Blood and shadow or whatever. I mean, it's obvious that we're going to be getting some big stuff here for daughters And and honestly honestly, I hope that what it does is some pretty decent Reworking and opens up some new interesting avenues for the book It's been too mono dimensional for too long in the way that book was played that book has So much potential And it just didn't it Well, we have the FAQ that's going to drop just a heads up. Normally we get an orata in december Right, and so this is actually aligned really well where we could get a like a new temple And then a rebalancing of the current temples within the FAQ orata, right? Right, so like if for example, they were to nerf hagnar. We don't know that they will But it very well could and still may bring the rest of the book in line with the new content as well Yeah, new Cobra Kai temple. I hope it's awesome.  You know, I mean like there's different ways you can play with it Like we've talked about fixing dock before Maybe it should kill blessing of kane.  I don't care You should never be re-rolling feel no pains in this game ever ever ever that should just be like that should be a third rail We'd never touch seriously, right? Right, that should be a new design principle, right exactly now that we've said Here's this rule that says you can't get multiples of them and I understand they said you can still re-roll Why why they pulled that I don't know, but maybe they'll fix it now and just eliminate the only real re-rolls with that in the game Um, but the fact that we could have an all snake army the fact that that I am excited Oh, and by the way buff craith 5 plus on craith 5 plus on craith Get hashtag 5 plus on craith. Yeah, I need final final realms book central. Um Yeah, exactly it's coming back. I'm sure Any any uh any decade now. Okay, so that's so over guy Uh, so we're getting if we're getting new legions of the new temple and associated war scroll battalions Yes, along with two new war scrolls that led that are basically both marathis Yep began small marathas on the table simultaneously. That's fantastic. Okay moving on cities and sigmar Yes, this is what we wanted to happen, right? We talked about this Uh, when we said the easy like cities is the easiest expansion book in the history of books because you can just Add cities. He's just making new cities and done I agree done. Yeah, like I love that. They already had that written probably when we were talking about it and they were that Beautiful beautiful. So we're getting two ulgu cities from the sound of it. Uh, miss taven and har cure on Miss taven, whatever, you know, like there's umlots and funny things, but look, it's it's miss taven and har cure on Okay, or cure on or whatever We're also Getting a new battalion for drusa craith Uh and her retinue drusa Is a dark elf sorceress on black dragon Yes, and this is the beginning of what we'll see where we're getting a special character That's probably gonna have their own box. We'll talk about that in just a minute. We'll leave that to the end You push that to the side. Yeah, we'll get your product We'll get your product here in a minute But we're getting a new special character out of a for like sorceress on black dragon Here's how you run it as a special character the prince vorder I treat. Yep, right? Yeah Where it's existing model is no new sculpt who cares cool. You have a named character They have a retinue. They have a narrative. They have a place in the world And uh, I am all I'm again. I love this one. She was obviously as a dark elf sorceress It looked like she was mainly her retinue will be you know, the things you would expect like Black guard and stuff like that. So The various dark elf pieces of the cities of sigmar. Yep Uh, which is great because I I would argue that's the weakest part of cities right now Is the dark elf contingent?  No, I'm not saying that's my point. I'm not saying it's bad I'm saying it's the weakest part right now that if you think of it like if you think of them in a sort of segregated fashion The all the free people stuff have lots of play in various ways. I think the wonders are the weakest faction. That's not real They don't exist I'm talking about the four things that make up cities primarily which is Human people the dwarves the high elf stuff that that remained and the dark elf stuff What high elf stuff for me, uh, phoenix guard alone lift phoenix guard and phoenix is lift that entire thing And please do not try to fight me on that those aren't good. You will leave this podcast Okay, get out of here And obviously people are running dwarves like left and right and tempestias. Yes. Yes. Like yes humans.  Like that's the problem. Like that's why you're right. They're worse. They're just so weak I literally forgot they existed I'm not gonna lie That's fair. Um, I am excited for the dark elf development though. I I love what's happening here I'm excited to have a neat sorceress. By the way Dana howl said that hark you're on translates to monster home in the old dark elven tongue from the old world You're on super cool super cool Uh, very nice. There's actually there's there's several people who are who are repping for wanderers. I'm happy for you Uh, I'm super great that you enjoy it. I could not care less for that faction Uh, here's what I did with my wanderers. I used to use them for painting classes at conventions as I slowly told my elves And just gave them away to people And he had like a bag of broken Um Sisters of the thorn and he was like here. Yeah, I just gave you some. Yeah I'm not going to use these just take them. Yeah, that's fine. Anyways, so Uh, super awesome that the dark elf side is getting some attention. Like I said, I do think it's a side Yes, it would be nice for those four you eight wanderers players It would be great for you to get some rules as well Uh, I would love to see that in a future thing and I wouldn't write it off like again There's no reason we couldn't return to these same factions in some future books. You could see people double dip Right, so like if cities went to Uh, Guy ran or whatever if we did a guy ran focused one or something like that Uh, or had something that touches that like if we get in a laurel book, right? You could see wanderers getting a big boost or getting uh, you know Support or information the same treatment in that book, right? Yeah So fully possible Yep Agreed. Um, so those are cities. So we're going to get some battalions We're going to get two cities and one has to assume if we're getting two new cities We get uh items for those cities. We get new spells for those cities Um, the whole suit and match It's a huge expansion of the book you're talking about going from seven From seven cities to nine cities and yes, one of them is going to have the ability to have daughters integrated Into the army like storm cast or or more appropriately. I'm sorry like kradren overlords or in teppas die or This the sylvaneth in living city. Yes. Got to be I'm so excited Amazing value gotta get that value You know Okay, let's cities. Yes crack them on Storm cast eternals. Oh, I read this and I was Doped, okay Uh, I know that storm cast some people love them. Some people dislike them Find whatever but whatever you think of them. They're not in the best place right now as far as books go Yes, tom will get there. It's fine. Just wait Keep your powder dry for a minute tom. Um, so they uh They They're not in the best place. There's a lot of things that just don't work battalions in storm cast are kind of a trainwreck and Uh What's the word I'm looking for here? Oh, yeah bad. That's the word I was looking for Uh, but storm cast have so much potential. They're a beautiful beautiful army that I think is super cool So what are we getting boom five five count them five new battalions? Wardens of the storm keep storm tower garrison storm keep patrol storm keep brotherhood and van brex black watch Which sounds super cool Like well kaiser von brecht, uh, is the name of the lord veriton special character He is a lord veriton by the way. I I did look that up and and he has his little doggy dog with him Which is unfortunate because it's a bad war school, but um, what's awesome about this is that they at least are giving more things for the You know the one storm host. It's actually like fairly competitive right now Sure. Yeah, right. So the thing that's good They're actually like piling more good on top of it. So rather than trying to make the bad things You know like comparable. They're actually taking the good thing the good nugget and then giving the good nugget new tools Which is um, yeah, I mean there are three new sets of allegiance abilities in here Is what they said So you mean they're actually going to get allegiance abilities other than once per game When they storm strike they can get you know make make one to hit Maybe or they seem to be referring to those almost as much as sub factions So like I don't know that these are necessarily all going to be anvils of the helden hammer or something Right, which is what you're talking about. I think these might be completely new takes on this stuff now Clearly unit wise. It's a lot of the stuff we see in these anvil's armies Right because when you look at Kaiser von brecht to this lord veriton He has like a group of gun slinging fools who follow him around and they go hunt and shoot up Chaos folks all around the mortal realms. Yeah.  It's like it's a witch hunter gun slinger reggae Basically led by led by von brecht, which is you know, great.  They're they're okay at best At best, they're okay If we were going to redo them, they'd be completely different Like they would look more like sarah funds, right where they're encouraging certain units boosting certain things. We talked about this before, right? So the fact that now we're getting three new ones that are designed as we would think of how modern sub factions are probably going to be designed Fantastic five new battalions can one of these Just include a star drake or or or two. Yeah, that's all Yeah, maybe the the storm tower deerson. Yeah, absolutely put put Or wardens the stormkeep. Yeah, put a star drake in here somewhere Just I need that in one of these so there you go or just like fun like As it aside gw over to camera two with me um The hero battalion i'm blanking on the name that's been there since the beginning in stormcast. Uh, you know what i'm talking about I'm blanking on what it's called. It doesn't matter. It's yes. It's three to six stormcast heroes from amongst a big list Yes, what needs to happen is that last list of knights that's three to 15 Just needs to go to one to 15 Like if that if that one change would happen, then you would actually have like a semi-functional Um Set of battalions, but that's not here nor there. Yeah lords of the storm. Thank you margin Orlando lords of the storm Yes, and no not old school when I said witch hunters. I don't mean like old school Uh pilgrim hat witch hunters. I mean like von brecht is a lord veritan He has a he has his named griff hound with him and the two of them go around with a pack of griff hounds and sniff out chaos And then I mean that they're not bringing like this isn't produce your rapier and your pistol and have at the foe. No, no the cast is in the war room Heavier artillery They're in that building See make that building cease existing You know like that's it's a bit it's a bit uh, it's a bit it seems inquisition with guns. Yeah, it's a bit heavier So there you go Uh, but yeah excited for that one for sure. Uh, that sounds fantastic Yeah, uh, I am excited about that and we'll talk about that here in a moment. Yes, um So let's talk about slaves to darkness Did not expect to see them here couldn't be more thrilled. They are here, especially with what they've got Okay, so now we have the warlord Uh, roe car gresh. Yes ruler of a war band called the crimson brethren I like the name rules for his uh, war scroll battalion gresh's iron reapers as well as Four new sets of allegiance abilities the madness and chaos continues They're allegiance abilities everywhere. I mean just stacking and stacking on stacking So I have to assume that these are like four on Subfactions, right? Yeah, one would think I would take the wrath of the ever chosen model and assume that this is the case So they're meant to work with the slaves to darkness book, right? So one would assume it's gonna say like In the same way that in wrath of the ever chosen Take this lanesh examples like lurid haze, right? If you have an invader's army You can choose to make it lurid haze and then you have to do All these things right these these things happen I would assume this will be the same way Where it'll be like if you have a ravager's army Then you can choose to be you know gresh's Vanguard or whatever and that's you know, it's mostly marauders and people like that, right?  And then some of them might just you know There could be one that's completely new like I don't know exactly how it's gonna play out The important part of this one is one gresh is a hero in chariot Let's talk about what matters here He's a hero in chariot So we're gonna get like a cast lord in chariot Yes, okay. Yes. Finally a chaos hero chariot model. Yes, like not a model But like the model is already there by the way if you own the chariot kit you have the old chaos lord, uh You know on chariot. Yeah.  Yes Yeah, and he's the hero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the best cape by the way. They've ever made It's it's I love that helmet. I love that helmet. Sure Cast chariot model is a good model So The So we're getting a hero in chariot and One of these Allegiances or something for the love of all that is holy Give me my allegiance that is all about the wall of steel Right the chaos that I want to play warriors knights chariots Metal just metal just marching forth, right? Yeah Chaos forge steel just rolling forth. I don't want to see a marauder anywhere near this list I want the list to specifically say if you do this you may not take marauders They will not they are disallowed. That's what I don't have enough armor on right, correct You must have you must have a save of at least this much to get on this ride That's right on your scroll. I'm not counting buffing it from a From a war altar Uh, so that sounds yes. I want my thulsa doom army. That's exactly correct um You know, it's funny because I built my hole. I did get my my My force is called the crimson cabal by the by Pointing that out. Sure. Sure. So I feel like I'm well set for this The only piece I don't have in that army because I have tons of I've painted up To get starting boxes for that. Yeah, okay. I don't have chariot. I have no chariots in it. Yeah, exactly I have a bunch. I have like 15 cast knights in that force 20 cast warriors two demon princes Two cast lords cast sorcerer lords, you know the whole I've got the whole shooting match But I don't have any cast chariots so Good opportunity here. I like cast chariots. They're fun. They're easy to do too They're like a very very easy model of pain, honestly uh So, yeah, I say yes Bring it on Uh, this is a good one Okay, all right, you're ready with the last one IDK, that's right. You want to talk about this one because this one's I think it's the most exciting Yeah, so there's a huge uh deep can assault apparently against mist hopping or mistated Uh, the and by the way, we find out that mishaven's nickname is the city of scoundrels Um, and so we learned that there is a war scroll battalion the blood surf hunt Which is nematars royal, uh, nematars royal guardians We also have an additional four war scrolls including Uh, a kellion alopex's a kellion level of light on the turtle the big turtle and both Idleons of mathlon Yes alongside mount traits for the deep mares and leviadons This is a really interesting like Side note that they add about the mount traits for deep mares and leviadons Because up until this point in design we have no instances of Mounts that get traits that aren't heroes. I'll pause you there for just one second. That's not totally true and you should know this Okay Do is getting mounted andron works Andron works are effectively mount traits right And they go on boats and boats aren't heroes Okay, I'll accept that. Yes. Now. I understand if you're going to construe it to like literal Mount traits because that that is a thing Right, then you are talking about because it implies that it's being mounted by something else. Yeah No, that's fair. That's fair. But what the one I was going to draw is either we're moving into new design space Which is leviadons like you can have mount traits on things that aren't heroes or Um, we have a hero leviadon, which is the other possibility here Oh, wait, didn't the I think I think dan just said it. Yeah, doesn't anvil guard.  There's a good example Yeah, that's a good example. Thank you. Okay. Yeah They have special traits in anvil guard for their hydras and their current business. Yes, they do That's right because you could get to take the black blood thing that sprays back Well, that's a lot less That's all we're disappointing and it doesn't answer the question of why do we need another leviadon scroll Uh, because the current one is bad and we're going to fix it This let me tell you why this is the most exciting one Because the number one thing that came out of the survey that I said we need to do and that they You the audience said we need to do Is fix war scrolls. Stop trying to fix everything through points. It can't be done You're gonna get in you're gonna get in this cycle of decay where things are just too cheap And it breaks all logic as to why a model that's this big is worth 30 points Because that's the only place where the cygore is ever takeable, right? We can't fix it all by points So we need new scrolls So new shark scroll New turtle scroll and most importantly two new idol on scrolls. Yes. This was the correct fix for these Give me new scrolls. Now if we get a hero leviadon or a hero on a shark Great that sounds awesome. Like I would be super jazzed for that. Okay. I'm not opposed to that at all But uh shark hero sounds fantastic But giving mount traits to these guys one good. Yes thumbs up So now you can have your magic underwater seahorse with his mount trait or your your giant turtle with their traits or whatever Yep And but two I want to see more Scroll fixing like this like I I would argue marathi scroll man had built in innate problems too And that's why I was happy to see them fixing it there as well Yeah, okay, like imagine if we get a magma draught scroll fix Yeah, sure. This is this opens the door to scroll fixing in these tomes. This is what needed to happen right, yeah so Good like this is why I said this is the most exciting one because to me This bodes the most well For that they have recognized that you can't fix everything in this game solely by just futzing with points right, right Yeah, like it it it indicates a um a design shift Or a development shift kind of yes of like fixing past problems, right? Uh, David, this is this is reaction to an announcement. This is not speculation like this. I mean The idea that we're going to of what might change is speculation But we know for a fact that like IDK is getting a new battalion called the bloodsurf hunt and then it has four new war scrolls for the shark of the levite on the Both idolans that there should be mount traits for your The website your turtle. Yeah, this is all real This is all on the website age of sigmar.com slash broken dash realms slash Yeah, so oh and just to respond to another comment here Uh Spratica said I don't think it's going to be a shark hero just a rewrite. It says mount traits for levite on a deep mario I agree. I'm not I understand that that wasn't meant to say. I think we're getting a shark hero I'm saying if they do if they give a new version of scroll and it happened to be a hero version Like let's say they say well the original alopex still exists But now we're also going to give you new alopex, right? And it's different It's like shark with a hero mounted on it. So it's not just a rewrite. Maybe they both still exist Fine, I'm not upset about that. But we're not getting a different idolon. These are clearly rewrites of the idolans Right Or they could be named idolans They're going to be rewrites of the idolans But sure, I guess you're not wrong but uh Yeah, I mean to me This was really important because the army's mono dimensional Yeah, I mean or they could you know like potentially you could this is you know And then both idolans and math along we have the aspect of the sea and aspect of the storm you could have two other Aspects Good, but I mean they said both idolans. They didn't say it like that They went when you phrase it in those words. It says the existing idolans. Sure Um, does that mean that we'll get broken realms beast of chaos It means that beast of chaos will be in some future Broken realms book because they are certainly a major faction. I mean, I don't think anybody's gonna accuse beast of As I said, we have We have 24 Factions and five are touched in this book. Yeah, so we got a lot to go If you look at the prior like end times we had five volumes If they touch five for if they touch five per book you're gonna get All the factions touched and then a new faction. Yep. Yep Exactly Uh This is super exciting like this was so much more information, but we're not done yet, but yet there's more But one more thing it's worse. Okay, so As well, so they're doing they're doing fiction that you can sign up for if that's great. Yeah, it's cool I read the first story today. It was fun. It's all about Glock of morca returning Good, that's what we want to hear So here's what we have. So at the bottom, they have the product stuff that's coming soon Okay, yes Yes um, and uh, the summary by the way is for the book one is This this story tells the tale of the shadow queen's burning desire to ascend to godhood After biting her time her opportunity has finally arrived Yet as she begins her final preparation for an arcane ritual of terrible magnitude We've heard of that one before The soul wars are drawing to a head with mighty battles being fought across the moral realms Includes new rules centered around the key players and action hot spots detailed in the story including allegiance abilities Warsaw battalions updated more scrolls and more besides. Yes Again, this is my point. They've recognized that uh That points fixes aren't everything. We got to go in and fix some more scrolls and this is the vehicle. They've chosen to do it and I for one applaud them Well done. Well done But let's talk about the product. Yeah, man Let's do it. Um, so the first box is one we've already heard about broken realms shadows and pain um in this stunning battle box, we're going to get a 40 page booklet with um, 38 miniatures of slanesh versus daughters of kane. Yeah, so that's the box. They already spoiled That's the one with the iron scale and the lord of pain Very excited. Okay. Good. Yeah, good stuff And so it looks like the in the narrative here is that the slaneshi followers have Discovered a gateway to their lost gods prison, but the daughters of kane who defend it have designs of their own emotion Done done done So something that the daughters are doing something with marathi's plan is likely involving The balance slanesh. Mm-hmm. Sure. Of course So I think she's going to try to become a chaos god Uh, well, I mean we'll tell we'll we'll get into the wild tin hat tin foil hat speculation in just a moment Okay, it's it's coming It's coming. Okay. Here we go. But the next is that we actually have a looks like a new product line Yep, okay And there's a bunch of broken realms boxes that are coming. I count five Right. No four four four That correspond with the other factions that are being released. Yes And mainly revolving around the special characters that we've just talked about tonight, right? So we have the daughter's box but this king cytos nemitar of prio who is the IDK named guy He has a box coming called the bloodsurf hunt Right, that's the battalion that we are that they had mentioned. Yep And only the finest beast riders in any enclave chooses only the most Battle hardened and skilled a kellion to join in his bloodsurf hunt and it's and it's a box It looks like With a you know that matches the war scroll battalion battalion That is the a kellion king model and two alakazes two sharks Yeah, so let's let's talk about what the picture versus what we what we know versus what we what could be Here's what's important. Right. So on this product section of the website, they have a picture for all of these, right? So here's king nemitar and his two shark buddies. Okay. Yep. So The sharks are obviously bought in individual boxes right now as is the p-ro guy on on deep bear. Okay So this could be a sort of pseudo getting started box, right? Like think of it in that Price range type of thing. Maybe it's like about a hundred bucks us whatever something like that, right? Maybe it's slightly more. Maybe it's slightly less. Who knows all of these that we're about to cover, by the way Are in the 130 to 140 dollars Which is the exact retail range That standard getting started boxes the the undiscounted MSRP of the contents If if this picture literally contains everything that would be in this potential box, okay Which you don't know. Yeah, we're connecting dots here. This is where I do want to point out There is a speculative elements to this part, right? Because in nowhere did they say Hey These are the three miniatures that are going to come in this new product. We're releasing But they are pretty clear. It's a product because they say if you use this set With the rules presented in Marathi you can play Write the blood hunt or whatever the blood surf hunt, right? Yes So Uh, it is it seems at least possible that these are the correct pictures for them But again, yeah Because the daughter of the cane one has the entire daughter of the cane box and all the models in there Right, right, right. Sure. Yep. The existing picture we have does show the whole situation So it's a reasonable inference that these are in fact the things they're going to get So we'll get these new getting started boxes probably releasing at the same time There's probably If I were to guess they were a limited release branded broken realms getting started started collecting style box That's what I'm guessing we're looking at 95 to 100 us retail Is what what I would expect for these Because all of these values of these boxes we're about to cover are in the 130 to 140 msrp on discount Right. Yep. No, okay. So the first one the idk one would be the vulture nose or the The king the kelling king with the two alopexes. Yep Next box is grecious iron reapers done done done Who is your Right, right. That's reach areas. Um, his is this is the lowest value one at 120 Sure retail 40 bucks a box, but these are also special orders.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I told you man. He's got his dogs. Wow. Yeah Yeah, he's going he's going to get them chose That's right. It is it is firing squad. Yes Uh, so Yeah, um Super cool. That's that they're really they're really leaning into the anvil guard chute guest. Yeah, sure That's what this is. It's a thing now. No, I don't know how many people actually take judicators and those kinds of armies, but all right, sure Yeah, okay, and then moving on we have Craith's shadow pack, which let me just point out man.  It is it creeth. Maybe it's supposed to be creeth cryeth Crom, that's great Sure, that's great.  And I think that one's like 141 Okay, so It's pretty good or 131. Look if there's rules in here if this if this if miss craith Uh is a is an awesome sorceress on black dragon I think that's fantastic because that model is actually super cool Uh and it has potential Uh in a lot of ways like the in in a lot of different It's spell casting capabilities and stuff that it can do the problem is it's kind of made a paper You know, you've got like 12 wounds on a five up save. She just evaporates like uh like a puddle on a hot summer day but uh, you know Give us some good rules. I want to see them on the table Sorceress on black dragon Cool. That's it. So that's 48 minutes in and that's Barathe well, yes Well, I mean we got to go into speculation here tom. We do this is gonna be a major part of the show That's why I changed the name of the show to reflect this because it was like Had to get discussed So we expect these four getting started boxes Uh or whatever they are and here's so speculation the first this is coming out in november Yeah, yes. Yes. I agree. I agree because I think that all of this will drop for pre-order On black friday or like the the weekend of so I think it'll go It'll be announced like the second week of november For order on the third weekend. It could be like they they want if they're bringing the I wasn't sure this is going to release before the end of the year until we until they set up these four boxes Yeah, right. Yeah, and I was like that is christmas money. They're trying to get be like that's christmas gifts And they'll have them you if you can double dip they've got them there for christmas gifts and then people spending christmas money That's what you want. Yeah, right. I'm gonna change it. I think it's going to be ready for order the weekend before Thanksgiving Okay, and so I so I think that will probably if I were to take a guess This will be live for pre-ordering or this will be live for pre-ordering On the 14th No, no, I think it'll be on the 21st. It'll go live for pre-ordering for pickup on the 28th Hey tom on that. Yeah, just so we know you arguing with yourself over the exact date not compelling television Yeah, well Yes Here's the deal. Here's the deal Um, they know what they're here for sure sure Yeah, like if we're five years in six years into this The audience knows what they're getting. Yeah, somebody said does this replace the like christmas battle force boxes. They've traditionally done Probably yeah, maybe probably who knows Because these are arguably going to be more affordable because if these are at the hundred dollar mark They're not at the 180 or 200 dollar mark. He's got to remember we've had a price bump now Like this catechum for example went from 160 for their prior starter box up to 210 So those 180 dollar or 176 dollar 186 dollar Starter boxes that we had those battle force boxes would be like 220 or 225 now Like that probably moves it outside of the likely like, uh, like quick christmas like buy But a hundred dollar starter box Sure, sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean absolutely Uh, I My answer is I have no idea what they'll still do whether they'll have battle forces here It could be that they looked around and said you're absolutely right. Tom and in this market We're not going to release 200 dollar boxes right, uh, whereas if we if we wait until Uh, if we wait until next year and then introduce 200 dollar battle force boxes when everybody's on the other side of the pandemic And if they're gone for a year, people will be excited because they come back. So Yeah, sure perfectly fine. Could easily replace them. Who knows? Uh, the other thing that I want to speculate on here Okay All right is does this mean Some portion of the dark elves go Gold and by gold I mean become a playable faction in chaos Do they become a chaos faction now? It should be noted That marathi really hates chaos. There are a few people that hate chaos more than marathi Like if you go back and watch the original videos of her release She was like I was the first to fight against the depredations of chaos, right? Blah blah blah blah like she does She has good reason a chaos god did eat her Okay, and she is one who bears a grudge But I mean maybe does her own machinations But can I I remember reminding you that in storm of chaos She was also the one that led the slinish dark elf. Yeah, I understand that. I know I know all of that I also know that on like the fourth edition, uh, you know, like dark elf Army book Which I have over there on the shelf that I'm not going to go grab right now. They're just wearing corn symbols Okay, like the dark elves like the witch off just has a corn symbol on Okay So, um The the point is sure there's precedent right Um, and in her great quest for power Uh, she could easily fall and that would be the great that's of course the the traditional story Of elves well of elves and and of the the mortal realms in general, right? Or of order and chaos in general is that People who hate so much they become the very monster that they were fighting against right that kind of thing That's that that is the story Um, do I think that dark elves are going to like leave order and go to chaos completely? No No, absolutely not Zero percent chance of that happening zero There's a sort of some discussion the comments that I agree with If anything happens what happens is is that Marathi gets split off into a dual personality Um and snake Marathi Is slainesh Marathi? And foot Marathi is uh, the order faction Marathi Could be they could both share keywords. They could go gold My point is it's not like this like is she going to betray sigmar? Yes, of course Like a duh And if sigmar doesn't see that coming He really is a bit sleeping on the throne like of course. He knows that's going to happen But he's you know, whatever whatever Uh, like of course she's going to betray him and of course she's going to do whatever because she always wants power And she always has and she's willing to throw allies to the side and there's that doesn't mean she goes to chaos It just means that's really interesting because now we have like cool interesting infighting In the forces of order Right, right who can still like get together and will be on the same side when uh Uh When when you know chaos comes in knocking or whatever, right, right, they they have no mutual love But they do still share a mutual hate Right Yeah, um Now at any rate, I wouldn't be opposed to them being a gold faction in some way Like where her her excessive avarice for the powers of a god her greed Right and what she's willing to do in sacrifice Sort of allows them to be either like you can play this version of it That's a chaos force or you can play this version of it That's an order force, but it's not like all of dark elves are going over or something They're not going to be like, oh, sorry city players who had whole city's armies based on dark elves stuff that we're adding more city stuff too Um, right That's not a thing anymore like get out of here. Of course. That's not what's gonna happen I mean, I mean they did do that in the end times, but we're gonna go to what I will say is that What we do have is the possibility that we have a gold faction that splits off that's That is and I could see like I could see the narrative already of like Murathi driven to excess In her lust for power Um the aspect of murathi Which is the big snake thing, you know, basically takes on a life of its own And it becomes this aspect of cane which are this aspect of slanash, which oh by the way Like if you remember the old slash lord Like the six boob slanash lord had a snake lower body. Yeah, sure. I know. Yeah, of course And again, I don't think we need to see the death of grand alliances for like You know any like and we're not we're not going to see the death of grand alliances at any point in time And I'll tell you why and I wouldn't want it. That's bad Because they're good framing devices Right, right like order chaos death and destruction is a useful thing to have in your game when you're trying to get new people into the game Okay, yeah, like part of your narrative is playing double purpose here one it creates sort of these thematic Things that you can play with that you can have fighting amongst when it's just 24 people screaming in a room It's not there's nothing interesting going on But if you split those 24 people into like four groups who we're all arguing about from different points of view Now you have something interesting going on Right and sure in one group you can have a couple people arguing amongst themselves Over here in this group two people are punching each other and getting into a slap fight like that can happen But the point is is that there's a reason why you tend to group things Beyond just you know The narrative It's useful for helping new people in the game. It's useful for you to actually use as a construct within your own storytelling and design It's useful for things like rules constructs and like these armies tend to do these kinds of things on this side of the You know destruction armies tend to act like this death armies tend to act like this and then those those features are there So they serve a meta function far beyond just existing because of the narrative All right. Yep, they're not going away Uh, no malaria is not working with Archeon Uh, there was a there was like this one little weird misprint out of a thing that the author like years ago That the author was like no no that was a misprint that that got set up and came back I mean, we don't know what the heck malaria is doing, but we certainly don't know he's working with chaos or anything like that and I mean I highly doubt he would like that. He will be a chaos dude when he comes out We did find like malaria and did find Marathe in a Glade surrounded by dancing shadow demons in the very yes in the very first story we ever heard about him that is still Kind of almost the only thing we've ever heard about him Yes, but um Yeah, I mean he's he's off on his own and who knows what he's doing I don't I don't think you'll see anything for him until 2022 2023 So I don't think you're getting any malaria at any time soon. So Uh, I think that's probably true. I mean, we might get him next year. Um, I could see him in spring of 22 Yeah, sure in 2022. I would believe it. Yeah. Yeah, I just I don't see him coming anytime soon Like the first rotation of aos Uh, three point out. Yep. Um, like as the big army for that spring, which by the way, let me just point out as we're like Doing this hypothesis stuff um Where was that? Where did I quote that? Oh, it was in the community article. That's what it was The first line of the community article by the way for you know, how I've been promoting Like my hypothesis that the new edition of aos is coming that next summer The first line of forgotten or a or whatever age of sigmar broken realms is a new era is coming to the age of sigmar Yeah, sure Will this lead to 3.0? Okay Odds are I mean, what what are you putting on odds on that? Uh, four to one Okay. All right Seems fair. I'd probably be more in the three to one, but I'm okay with that That's four to one feels strong, but we're both close Yeah, like I like Yeah, I I feel pretty strongly about it now. That said like it could I could see a world where this is like the mid season patch And it gives us another year, right? like because because Because this patch is happening narratively It gives us an additional year on all the other prior books before we get to a new edition change I can see that logic as well, but I think more likely this is going to lead to the new edition Yeah, I think we all feel that And it would make sense. It would track of course the pattern of the dates all would line up like blahzy blahzy blahzy blah, right? Yeah, the question is just do they feel the need to like there's there's three questions that manifest doubt in my mind Like if it happens, I won't be surprised in the least. Okay. I'll be like, yep, that's fine Here's here's here's the three doubts you should have that it's that it's coming. Okay If any this is why I'm saying only three to one in favor of it happening and not a hundred percent. Okay One is that COVID pushed everything back Right, and they've got a lot of catch up to play So if they were planning on releasing it in like June of next year or something That means or they're gonna have to really like squish a lot of content into the first half of the year When right or a bunch of stuff back, right exactly So they could just as easily go and they really like additions at a certain time Namely launching financial years because their financial year runs up until May Okay, yes, so like it's really important to them that new editions launch to start their calendar year Um, and the reality is if they couldn't launch it in June or maybe even early July, right? Uh, then they might just go, you know what let's hold it back or let's do something else with it So it could happen That's one Two would be the game isn't that It really in need of an addition change, right? AOS to Thing for 1.0 Well 1.0 when you look at the changes of 1.0 2.0 They were actually addressing a bunch of stuff that was very real feedback at the time There was I don't think you remember just how much changed into 2.0 around stuff like Command abilities the fact that summoning was a thing like remember how command abilities were just a thing your general did Yeah, remember that? Remember how summoning wasn't a thing because you had to pay points for it Yeah, like there was a lot of huge changes Yeah, well like endless spells weren't a thing. Yeah. Yeah, sure But like my point is that the game isn't in a place at this point where it's like, okay We definitely need 3.0, right? Are there some minor tweaks we could make? Sure But for the most part the game is actually super stable So if you're going to put out a 3.0 To what end? Right like what's the what's the actual line you're drawing in the sand there if it's just Hey, here's the next iteration Honestly, if they were going to do it the right answer is here's the next iteration in the core book We've tweaked a few rules slightly and and and you know Never invoke the terms 3.0 We will as a community because we can't help ourselves, but it would just be like here's an updated core book Yeah, right Um, and yes, I'm effectively arguing for 2.5 Right, and if you see and if you see a new logo in january Sure, sure given the game way on the new logo thing, right? Yeah, uh And the third reason that I have I have cost to doubt it It's just because of are they going to be able to get out all of these broken realms books in time Right, like we don't know how many there are in a month, right? Yeah, if there's let's say there's five That would put them on a on a faster than once at one every other month schedule to get it out by june Right, which is real fast for these big narrative books Right, they're introducing a lot of change into the ecosystem. Now. Did they do that with 40k? Yeah, basically Right. I mean 40k is a little different animal than a os But the point is is that do we have some reasons to doubt that it could happen? Yes, I'm still saying odds are three to one. We'll get some kind of Flip over something at the end of this, right? But um But if it didn't happen, I also wouldn't be surprised, right? I'd go. Yeah, okay I can see that and and then I would say definitely in 2022. We're getting the next that change over Right. Yeah, which again to me would actually be the right way to go But we'll see we'll see what the what the pay master say Okay Now I think we've covered all broken realms stuff. I don't think there's anything else broken realms. We need to cover Uh, very very very exciting. Whoof I mean, it's a big one today. I was giddy Literally giddy. He works He was like just so happy in our chat because because of the updated war scroll thing more than anything else because of the fact that We're seeing them adjusting things in the right way Right, um that we've been that I've been calling for for so long Like I have had a deep ingrained belief that this is the way it should be done Do you think we'll get an adjusted table size? Oh, I don't like who know like uh, like 40 k then maybe Like again, I'm not I'm not a fate man. I'm an odds man Okay, and and so are you asking me do I think the odds are good that they will adjust the table size? Sure, I would put it like probably Two to one Okay, but that's still a pretty big chance. That's 66. I'm saying yes Yeah, okay Uh Yes, mostly Right like because it would just be easy for them to go. Nah, you know like It's not as necessary here Uh and say now we're just gonna keep it separate because they've chosen look they've had 100 opportunities to make aos and 40 k function the same way It's true. It's true. And in many times they've gone. Nah So like I know we all think oh 40 k did it. So they're a hundred percent going to do it No, I mean I can point out 30 things 40 k did that they came to aos and went nah and vice versa Okay, so like they clearly still treat these as individual Animals system. Yes, and will sometimes make decisions that they feel are different And if you're asking me to get inside their head and think like why are they thinking like they do? Who knows, you know, because here's the thing they could go. Well, this is mostly a melee focused game And we really want speed and maneuverability and mobility to matter a lot in this game So we're going to keep the bigger table Okay, because that'll test skill more if you can't just immediately be in the scrum. Okay That's one way they could think or they could think Well, this is a melee focused game and we really want speed and utility to matter And we want people to get in the scrum real fast. So we're going to change the size of the table Right. Do you see how that was the same exact fact pattern up until the point where I reached my decision? That's why this stuff is hard to call because I don't know which way that breaks It's the same thing either reality is reality or I am a brain in a jar I wouldn't know the difference because everything would be the same the rules are the same in either case Okay, yep So Anyway, enough of that All right Well, Tom Let's move out of news and talk about some pick of the week. What would you like to share with everybody? What do you got for your pick of the week? Um, I am going to direct everybody to the broken realms Uh, little story. Yeah, you should read it.  It has like a it has a moment where uh an orc sort of boss Sort of finds himself and and gets that gets the de wa and joins up and becomes a uh A bone splitter was kind of cool and gets his war pain stuff. It's really cool. Um All right, uh for me. I want to direct people I'm gonna I'm gonna link the the channel below This is like a really small channel, but I thought it was actually super cool So it's called artist empire And our good buddy mini stomp Uh Mini stomp the source for all of your warhammer needs. Uh, he's not a sponsor or anything I just really like to do and he's a really nice guy. Um The uh, he reached out to me and just said hey, here's this cool thing So what artist empire does is just these really short videos They're like two minutes long or a minute long and he takes a model Okay, and he shrinks about Hour he shrinks like hours of him working in photoshop to turn the model from just a picture of a model Okay into like A model that looks like it's sitting in the universe You understand what i'm saying like he adds smoke and background elements and color corrections And it's just all really super cool photoshop work and he condenses like three hours of work into like two minutes Yep, just super fast clicky clicky clicky stuff And it's so cool like the the images at the end were really neat So I was like, oh, that's cool. And there's just real neat short videos to look at and can give you cool ideas for For how to set your models and worlds, especially if you're doing like it's good inspiration for things like display pieces If you're doing competition painting because you should try to make them look like he does in the photoshop picture Right, but it's also just a cool sort of scene for inspiration. So it was neat. I'll link it down below I'm gonna jump back by the way. Um, I don't think you made this announcement last week, but I'm gonna make it this week. Um uh omni uh Omri Arbiv Omri is uh, he's been he was the inspiration for my Uh for my fire slayers like my fire slayer ko army back 2017 when I started the color combinations He posted this really nice template and had a similar color combination that I stole Uh, anyways friend of the show great dude.   So check it out. Nice Take it. Uh, I'll I'll link the the facebook thing down below so people can join up Okay, tom Uh, let's talk about some hobby time man. What are you what did you work on this week? He said knowing that tom actually did hobby this week Now we can't see anything that light is way over too bright. You didn't reveal anything. That's not how cameras work tom cool I uh worked on some stuff Relevant to uh, you know the conversations we've been having. Yeah, you've you've been into stormcast this week I have yeah, you've been getting out of the stormcast giving them some work some love some tlc Yeah, I uh I found the list that I want to play That's what that's what that's how it happens. That's how it happens. Yes. Um I and so uh, let's uh, let's see what happens. Um Yeah, so I've been paying stormcast Not a bunch of stuff. Uh my like the last couple models some of this I I've I've happened in various states of progress for a while And um, I had like four models that I still needed to prime And zenith all and start on the Um Start on my like process of doing their armor. So Everybody is at least base coated or everybody is at least prime with many of them having their initial base coat stuff so yeah Absolutely I will say tom was working on this stormcast before he heard the news from broken realms too. So right right right Yeah, like and so I was working on this and then broke it in this drop today and I was like, oh really go on Yeah, indeed. So it could be a good time Yeah, let's hope for that uh, those anvil car battalions right now. I'm not anvil guard I could be persuaded you mean anvils of hammer anvils of helden hammer All right, that's a bit they are anvil guard by the way, but yes anvils of helden. Yes, I understand they are the anvil guard uh Battalion but not in the game sense of the word battalion Okay Well, I finished up my last little guy that I had converted. I'll share him out in a couple days He's a real monster the the the last little babe guy had reconverted So now I'm working now my office is a complete mess again You can't see this around me, but it looks like a hurricane exploded because when you're doing like heavy conversions I have to have like 18 different boxes of different things out to pull bits from And I did convert my first big Uh, so here he is my first big boy He's ready to go And I'm Super excited about this guy He's got his big old club and he's got all sorts of chains and cogs and gears and He's got a big giant imperial knight leg like the full size imperial knight is his Matches his leg size completely Which I'm excited about they're they're exact sort of size matches So you can you can metal out his leg real easy And uh, he's wearing his his Imperial knight helmet and all that I've got another one to do on top of him Uh, I will point out that on his feet.   This is the fate that should befall all of you So at any rate Happy about that And I'm working on my next small uh he's he's partially uh in progress my next little baby Uh, so he's still got some he's still got a lot of grieving to do But uh, he's coming along. I was working on him today And uh, I got one more baby to do and one more big to do And then I'm sure I'll get a third big at some point in time and convert him up. So Yeah, we'll see I've still got more boat pieces. So there's gonna be multiple smashed boat parts And then I'll take the rest and I'll make a big train scatterboard for my for my table with the rest of the boat parts All broken and shattered apart and easy to move over So that's my hobby conversion time There you go All right Well, Tom now with that said let's turn to a fun topic Let's turn to something that I know is gonna be completely non-controversial and in no way will start any conversations amongst our audience of Of what they think and how they think we're wrong. Okay Let's talk about our favorite aesthetics. Yes, our favorite sculpts. So we're gonna do tonight We're gonna do our favorite sculpts the the rule to this is they had to be current in AOS Okay, so we're not doing any historical sculpts. So they must still be a current model Damn it was dragon princess. Oh Sure, but yes, they had to be a current AOS model Okay, all right So I have these Tom in absolutely no particular order between the two of us I just got all the pictures and and I mean they're in alphabetical order is actually what's gonna happen here. So Sure, so there you go All right, so what we wanted to do was I think these are worth discussing and why we love them and what makes a good Model like what makes it grab us? Okay, and what we think makes it grab people in general I think that's kind of what the call the conversation. I want to have All right, so the boom up on screen now I have our first one, which is one of my picks which is the Akelean King Okay, okay, I love this dude I think this guy is amazing. I Think the Akelean King either version of him. I happen to grab the named version of him No, I've not Some of these I've painted some of these I haven't I Think this guy's great because he's fluid like he feels like he's underwater as many of the I'dn't do He Has an incredibly wonderful aesthetic shape to him Like he's all these smooth curves that are then hit by these hard crossing edge lines like these straight lines No, you see this guy in competition all the time. Okay. Yep I think the Volturnus one is cool because he has a lot of character like his weird smiling mouth and his eye patch and the big Like there's just the elements that are specifically him. I think are cool But again, either one there's a nice mix of organic and And like crafted. Yes. Yes Like surfaces. Mm-hmm. Yep big giant beautiful cloak. Love a good cloak cloaks are cinematic. They're amazing, right? And I agree with you completely because the metal that's there to isn't just like flat metal Plates, right?  He feels like an underwater king He his armor looks like that his, you know, his mount looks like that his cloak looks like it's flowing in the water So like to me, I just think this dude is is top-notch Nope And I have seen this guy entered into a lot of painting competitions because again, I think he's just He's a model that demands to be painted again You can do like all sorts of really cool Patterns on him and things like that right where you can these underwater creatures behooved a lot of great patterns I will say picking I went back and forth on the I'd net a lot because I was almost gonna pick the Leviadon Okay, but I actually just hate the way with the Leviadon I don't like the way that the how-to feels just kind of there feels like it's on it's completely separate This guy feels much more organically connected I know that sounds weird, but the how-to just feels completely Like the turtle is the strong part of the Leviadon model the how to look like this like he looks unified Exactly. Yes, 100% 100% agree. Yep. Okay. So I think you know, he was again These aren't any kind of top order. We'll talk about maybe our absolute favorites at the end But this is like he just grabs me and I think he's an absolute beautiful model Yep. All right next up Oh, yeah, by the way, I mixed in some of my own that I painted in here because why not Of course you did. This is the oldest model in our selections. I think I think this is icket claw This is the archer Okay The fine caster version this guy is terrible, but you can still find the metal ones around the metal ones are fine. I Think this is the I think this is still the strongest sculpt in Skaven I'll stand behind that. I think he's better than the storm fiends. I think he's better than the vermin lords. I Love this dude power armor claw Storm halberd the armor like everything about this dude rocks and rolls the boiler on his back Uh Everything about him. I love this guy. I've painted Three of this model over the time that I've had Skaven like I have three different arch warlocks Uh, and I I think you know, obviously, this is one of this is a later entry into the metal model cannon And it quickly transitioned over into into fine cast And again the fine cast one is garbage, but because it's all soft and full of fine cast nonsense Yes, I think he's better than thank well somebody else is yes. I think he's better than thank well I think this dude is everything he should be he just screams awesome I'd hear that and again, it's it's a mix of different parts like he's very metallic But I love the way the cloth like his robe flows out from underneath the armor I love all the different mechanical components to him all that different stuff Like I know this is probably one of the more controversial picks But and this guy is a nightmare to put together. I agree like that arm has broken off of this model Like three times the arm holding the storm halberd I'll be because I saw I play with this one like I painted this one for competition And I still like he's my normal arch warlock I use Um And I've just been playing with him and I'll I'll move my hand across and I'll touch that that storm halberd Just slightly too hard and It falls off Is metal that's what happens exactly stupid metal models Okay, but anyway, this one is super sweet. So yes the arch warlock the icket claw model Yep, tom. Here's one for you Okay It's the black coach Tell us about tell us about this that obviously the new version of the black coach adoy man when I painted that black coach It's so fascinating because like I remember when I painted it it was Like it was a cathartic experience Because I had spent a lot of time painting that model, but I just like it was a Um, like one is all of the different movement like all the different one. Okay. Let me start here. It's so dynamic as a model I agree. Okay. Like the new one Completely communicates What it is in the movement and all that stuff Uh-huh. Um, I love this thing is flowing Yes, yes, yes, like so much so that I could easily mount it above a Like just on a pole and it simply looks like it's flying With no actual like positioning mark work Just stick it there on a pole above a building and it literally looks like it's flying in the air Yeah, you know like in you know Santa Claus Slay mode. Yeah. Yeah, like it's it's beautiful. Um the materials on it You know like what you don't get if you haven't painted night haunt Is that there's actually like a really interesting design language in the entire line? Okay And as and you can like you could only see this Once you've like really started painting it but you can see it in some of their paint schemes of like What is solid and what is translucent and how they communicate that on the model itself and how they keep the materials Separate Like they don't make any mistakes in the sculpting of what solid and what's Like ethereal And it's really fascinating when you like you don't you don't see the beauty of it until you've you know labored 30 plus hours on one of these models Um And you see the consistency and actual the design of the models themselves Um, I loved also how there was just so many different materials here Yeah, again, I got the cloth the wood the various ghosts the weapons the metal the lantern There's so much to play with. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Um, what's so fascinating is like there's a dude in that casket and you can see him Right, right, right Like and so he like you have to paint this in like in Like sub-assemblies right in order to truly get everything, right? um, and many people won't even notice like Uh, what has been done because of that. So there's just a lot of like, um It's just a very unique very just like A resting model. Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it I'll also I also want to give extra credit for the we don't care about the base award Here, right, right like this model is so far off its base It's not even close the front two horses aren't even anywhere near the edge of the base They're just they're way out into nowhere'sville. Okay And yeah, the back of the thing is still hanging off as well Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I had to put this like seven inches in the air So wouldn't touch other stuff right so you can actually move it adjacent to other models. Yeah. Yeah Uh, I will say this and I do agree The I I actually have another knight haunt pick in here later And the knight haunt range was hard to choose from because there's So many good sculpts in knight haunt. It is a banner Faction aesthetically it's so killer. Yeah There was probably in most factions I would look at I would find one or two things And I think well, what is truly the best when I looked at knight haunt There was seven different sculpts that I thought any one of these I could pick and feel good about Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah, it's so fascinating with this like Let me let me tell you how arresting this model is to me I hated the rules for this and how it was pointed Sure, sure and yet And yet I painted it up and included it in my armies and and and I always played with it because I love the model Yeah, that's right.  And yet, you know what? I put this bad boy in every army I build of knight haunt. That's right because it's it's just simply That beautiful and it like even when it was pointed badly like now it's not pointed bad at all, right? 220 is appropriate for what it is But I was paying like what 280 or something for the for this I believe was 280.  Sure. Sure I feel better about myself only paying 220 man. Let me just say when they get to the new war scrolls Let's hope this bad boy has an actual hero keyword. There you go. That's what we all hope for You've got another one coming up because I accidentally clicked to it. So I know it's next. No worries. Yep. Yep. Yep. Blight kings Blight kings tom So this is one of the first units that I ever painted to completion And you know what like I I still you know, like when I was when I was looking at this segment I was looking through all my all of my collection and the things that I've really just truly enjoyed painting Blight kings is on that list. Sure And what's so fascinating about it is like when I went back and looked at those kits There's just so much there. Yep and Like everything about this unit bleeds what this unit is sure So when we talk about unified like Vision for a unit and what was so fascinating is this is one of the last units that I can think Of that actually had like full interchangeability across the entire unit Right. You had all these different ways to have torsos build or weapons in their hands or yeah, yeah different takes on each one Yeah, and it's like, yeah, just just build whatever you want use your imagination.  Yeah Vince do you want to talk about that aspect of it? Yeah, I mean from a painting competition perspective Nurgle always has the Nurgle nudge Right, which is that you can display as a painter All of the things you're capable of on a model like Nurgle Because you can paint the actual models themselves to a very high standard Then you can show how you can control weather how you can show bruised flesh Oxidation and rusting right all these different things you can include in there that if you're painting something fresh and clean You don't have the opportunity to show that off, right? So you can do You know some kind of insane non-metallic metal thing, but also have it be rusted gross metal that's leaking out oxidized You know powder or whatever Uh, you can you can do all of these things you can have osl effects on them quite easily There's a lot of weird things that can be glowing. You can show wounds. You can show bruised flesh You can show clean flesh pale flesh unusual colors, right demon flesh. Yeah, it's just an extremely versatile painting challenge and That's and you get this beautiful mix of these great armor shapes I would also point out that Nurgle classically has a really nice armor shape to paint This is kind of a weird point But yeah, Nurgle's armor shapes the traditional Nurgle armor shapes that you see in a lot of things Are these angled concave rowboat shapes like the bottom of a boat Okay, yeah, you see it in like the center of their torso plates like the guy here in the front You see it in their helms a lot.  Yeah, and You know some things have that a little bit Okay, like some stormcast pauldrons have a little bit of that kind of come to a point thing But Nurgle takes it a lot farther most of their knee plates their gut plates are like that Their shoulder plates are often like that and that's where a lot of different armies don't have that And that's actually a really good shape.  I mean, that's why they're these I think these guys are absolutely disgusting I will openly say I did not pick a Nurgle model because I couldn't get over for my own personal sense of aesthetic uh, but but but but I must admit that these guys are incredible Yeah, and like I actually struggled between these guys and the plusclobal white lords Because with them you also got the mounts Like you got everything you get here But you only get two of it and then you get two mounts And I ended up going back to these guys Simply because of the diversity of builds that are available to them. Agreed. That's what makes these guys went out The other one in Nurgle that actually had me on the fence was slobby bio piper Because I do think he's just a singularly Fun and hilarious and amazing model. He would hit my honorable mentions category Yeah, yeah, okay right on Okay, next up, uh, we're going back to idk for the idle on I you know, you can pick either one right like aspect of the idle on a math line This goes on both of our lists. Yeah, he Vids the list on the list and the idle on came back as mine as well Yeah, we both picked it. We picked our list independently because I didn't want to I didn't want to weigh in I didn't want to force tom into anything other than what you wanted to paint at the end We just kind of compared the lists So Yeah, the idle on I mean this guy writing the You know, I don't remember what the name of the wave is but the the wave from the painting I'm sure somebody's going to stay in the comments since I can't remember it kamigawa. That's the that's the magic set I don't know. It's something like that um At any rate, you know writing this big beautiful incredible wave the sea creatures that are all around his feet the pose You know being held aloft on this water his armor His helm like every version of both versions of this guy are straight up bonkers This is Who he is. Yeah, everything does. Yeah The school of fish just flying floating around him in in the air, right? Yeah Yes, this guy is One of the greatest models they've ever put out ever like if you may if you Gunned in my head. You made me make a top five of all timeless. This guy would endure. He would be on that list Yep. Yeah. Yeah It's just so Arrested. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 100 percent Okay And dynamic it has movement it has Yeah, and again notice that it has all the material transitions Yeah, you have translucent water and you have organic fish and you have hard armor and rocks and shells and coral and It does all of it. Yeah Yeah All right, next up The gaunt summoner. I think the gaunt summoner. He was one of my picks I think this dude is fantastic because to me He is the embodiment of zinch. I think there are a few models that so perfectly capture What the chaos gods all have this sort of very unique feel to them, right? They are anesthetic as much as they are A narrative thing that motivates the story or whatever, right or a set of models And a lot of the zinch demons are just piles of chewed up bubblegum Uh that I think are kind of Frankly unimpressive to be honest. Yeah. Okay. Yeah And some of them are just too weird or too out there or whatever. Okay And I did go back and forth between this guy and the changeling because I think both of them are are on the level but uh The thing I love about this dude is one the nature of the three arms Love it.  Yeah gyro del toro Gyro del toro, yes Like vibe a hundred percent Like the fairy whore Yes. Yes. Yes And like in my opinion, that's what The aesthetic for zinch should be kind of like in magic the eldrazi. Yeah Yep, um, like that should be the zinch aesthetic not bubblegum Yeah But between sort of the sweeping cloak of this guy, I do love also I chose this particular picture of him because you can actually see the great angles the sculptor did Where the book is going out and the flame and the knife and then the cape is pulling up And you see how it's creating this u-shape around him, right? Like compositionally he has this amazing set of lines Because then on the other side of the u is the staff that goes straight up Right, this guy is a master class in how to draw the eye with lines And yeah, like the arms pull you to his head, right every arm is pointing directly at his head Right the lines always circle you back around Yes And the focal point of the model is right perfectly where it should be This is like this is a master class in sculpting in in my estimation I think this is just I don't know who sculpted this I wish they would put the names of their sculptors on the site when they when they put the models up I really think they should Because I wish I could praise these people more outwardly in some cases Like I believe sebb is the one who sculpted most the idk, which is obviously a big home run I have no idea who sculpted this particular dawn summoner But it's a but it's a win huge win. It feels Zinchi like if I said if you asked me what is zinch like I could just show you this model and say this Right and and you would get it to some degree. That is what zinch feels like this weird twisted You know as you mentioned this sort of almost like dark fay A Wizard of power, right? Oh, there you go. Uh, Eric. We heard it said brian nelson made it. Okay. Well, there you go Well, thank you brian nelson fantastic work brian So there you go. Wonderful. I also love the calls with the feathers I think the feathers are actually because they could have just went for a smooth cloak all the way down Right, but zinch has a lot of feather stuff going on in it with their with the birds Like birds are a big part of their aesthetic.  I actually didn't have him on my list, but you did But let's talk about catacross The living diorama For me catacross, um, it was like More than anything else the catacross model communicates attitude. Oh, yeah Like it communicates who catacross is Um, man like his bone daddiness Sure, just Just drips off of his god piece like like So much of What this army is is captured in this diorama And everything from the regal like commanding nobility of catacross. Yep Just to the subservience of his of his servitors To the like the physical Confidence of his warriors All of it's here. Yeah, I love how you actually like this is a minor note, but it's something worth mentioning You understand the hierarchy of the five models in this picture From their placement and their stance Yes, right. Yes, like the scroll bearer being the weakest the bird boy being also hunched and closed Then the the banner men still like proud, but still a generally closed model. Okay, but also rigid Yes, very rigid and then to the samurai man Disapproving samurai bone daddy over there Who's much more wide and proud almost mirroring the big boy himself, right who stands apart not just Yes Yes, like he's confident. Yes. The fact that he isn't even holding his shield Right like by that means not armed with it Right. He has it. It's sitting on the stone and he's just He's just lightly placing a hand upon it, right as though this is not a thing I need to worry about right. I there's no need to heft and wield this shield Right. No need to don this particular piece of armor yet. There is nothing here that is threatening to me and my magnificence Right. Yes. Yes Like I just I love all of it like And of course you have all the materials You have bones. You have metal. You have cloth. You have hard. You have soft Yeah, you have Like all of it all it's there all on a all on a very incredible diorama base, right? It is that is it's also great To me this rewrote What we might see with centerpiece of office sure You know, I think one of the reasons I didn't pick this. I mean, I love it. It's it's an absolute stunner Okay, no doubt But the one of the reasons I didn't pick this one, I'm fine that you picked it I had no pushback on that at all like it deserves a place in this list Is just because I'm suspect of Uh, this diorama Okay Yep, that is what it is that's such a snapshot Versus it being on the battlefield and being a mobile piece, right? It almost feels too static now That's only a minor concern for me because I am pretty famous for building models walking around on top of terrain Like my archaeology that's bringing a house with them Raffi is permanently wrapped around a pillar. Yeah, that I have columns around Yeah, well, I built an even bigger set of call an even bigger column made for it to be upon so sure So I only have a minor problem that this one is sort of a step farther. It's not just a piece of terrain It's actually like a living scene Right. Yes But I'm willing to suspend disbelief because it's beautiful enough that it doesn't bother me at all Like now what also is this there are elements of this that do bother me like this is not at the top of my list The most egregious thing on this entire diorama is the bannerman's forearm Really because I totally get what you're saying and I don't like the bannerman's forearm either But I'm going to tell you actually the part of this that has classically bothered me The flesh stitched or whatever it is Sash that's around catacrosis waste it looks so It looks so trailer park kind of like just a old raggedy thing he found lying around. Yeah, it doesn't look regal because it has all these Visible stitches in it. Yeah, look at the stinky head piece Like his crown is likewise flesh stitching right and I'm like Really that's with that beautiful magnificent shield. That's the best head piece you could find Right Like I would love that sash a lot more if it was actually uh a little more If it fell at a more angle down his waist So if it was more of a triangle down his waist and then hung in another triangle you know around kind of one of his legs and Didn't have any of that stitching if it was a smooth piece of sort of kingly cloth Because that's what they're playing at they're playing at the like sort of king's cummerbund or whatever that they would have around their waist Right like it's cloak his cloak at even though it's Saturn. It has that regal feel right Also, I could have done without the holes in the cloak, but that's a minor thing But it did you're right. It does still feel appropriate Right, but I agree that stitching is like look at the samurai's waste Uh sash does not have the stitching. I know Right, right, right. No, I agree that like that. That's what feels off Um, or that is one of the things again the forearm for me on that On that because it's just a such a weird angle and now that It's so Oversized or a vambrace or whatever. Yeah, and it like it draws my eye out of this huge model Right and all of them oversized Uh aspects of the various model what grabs my eyes more than anything else is that dumb for Yeah, sure. I do like Dana howl's explanation for that sash I always imagine it was a homemade gift from Nagash and he's wearing it to make his boss happy I think I I almost I I think you're you're almost there Dana.  This is great I'll totally wear this and you've got to wear it one year just to make her happy Nagash is like Luke. I made this for you my favorite mortar and he's like, oh gee. Thanks. Nagash. This is Really great flesh of kings, huh? That's super cool, man. I'll definitely get some use out of this Okay, well, I got to get back to the necropolis you you do uh You take care. Bye Yeah, so anyways all right Okay, so so I I could not have this guy on the list. Yeah, I get it Uh canary That was another one of my picks. Yes, it was uh, which I use to my models because you know, that's how this that's how life works here Sure. Sure. Um, man, I like So when I was trying to figure out like what I wanted to add to this list I thought about the things in which I just loved painting Mm-hmm, but I love the lavishing time on. Yep. Yep. Yep that as I painted them they grabbed my Like just grabbed my my brain, right? And I just love spending time in and man, these girls did it for me I completely agree. These are so like are they fiddly? Yes. Oh, are they beautiful? Yes Yeah, like I the wings and the weapons and the movement and the dynamic character of them Like I know you cut them all off of the things that they're hanging on. Yeah But these are some flying models that I felt like they were flying Like I've painted an almost entirely flying army in ko And most of those don't feel like they're flying Yeah, because most of them their legs aren't really doing anything that's communicating vast amounts of movement of swooping of ascending or descending Right, whereas you see that with these these are like comic book panels. Yes. Yes 100% They look like the way superheroes fly in comics. You look at the girl taking off on the left like the our left, you know Um, and her legs the way they're back. They're not at the same angle They're kind of splayed just a little the way they're kicked up the way the heel is slightly elevated like she pushed off The shoulders being arched back as the wings breach out Right The and then the other one almost more, you know with the coming in for a landing With the one straight leg and the one sort of uh at a knee to that's coming down to touch And the spear back But like coming in like you have they they play really well with the where the arm is in its positioning Right, um into into the movement. They're communicating there Uh, yeah, I just I dig everything about these girls. They were so I've painted 25 of these girls. Do you have your do you really have 25 canary? I have 25 canary. That's amazing I have 15 melee and 10 uh shooters I've 25 canary and you know what I'm gonna paint some more of that box With the new daughter's box it's coming in sure sure. Yeah, yeah, because I like I I love I love this model. Um Yeah I have 25 of them and I don't regret as painting a single one Dig it No, they're beautiful. Uh, I mean clearly I They they originally like the the dock model or not the dock the It's not a worry we're online. Uh the uh The the daughter of cane um Like the witch elf model. Uh-huh Was on my list, right? Got it. Just to basically Yeah, the base and I was like, I just love the witch elf. It's just so dynamic and then I was like wait a minute How do you make the witch elf better you put these beautiful wings on them? Yeah, right and then make her even more dynamic And like I just realized like are you know my initial listing? I hit the the witch elf and then I was like nope. It's these girls. Yeah, it's just so simply stunning. Yeah Yeah, absolutely Uh, I mean we're talking about an army that you and I saw In one teaser video and went well we're in for this army and then did and both painted more than 2000 points of Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, like I started building because I had like 90 witch elves on my shelf at that point Like I started building that day, right, right, right Uh, okay Yeah, next up it had to happen. You knew it was coming everybody should have seen this from 2000 miles away Uh, and that is the keeper of secrets Is it the best model they've ever made? Yes, okay, so uh, I mean obviously the Keeper is incredible. She's gorgeous from top to bottom Love all the love everything love everything about it. Love the claws. Love the elegance Uh, love the weapons Love love love this model Uh, it's so beautiful to paint. It's so much fun. I love everything you can do with this I've seen so many people have different takes on this thing Uh Yeah, I mean they are there's a reason I have six keepers of secrets. Okay. I don't know what else to say but like she is the perfect combination of beauty and horror and power all put into one sculpt and yes, by the way to answer something from earlier the week Yes, a four foot view 40 000 foot view those are real things people say in business The fact that all of rob's co-hosts on his show don't know what he's talking about I can't help it. They don't work for real companies. So at any rate Uh, yes, you could take a 40 000 foot view of something that means at a very high level Or you can take a four foot view of something which means a very detailed level At any rate just that's that's something that was That's a thing from a completely different show that I had to answer There you go Okay, um, I love the mix of the the masculine and the feminine. Yes, it's sort of split down the middle thing Fine. That's traditionally how slanesh has envisioned it. I have no problem with it I have built uh, I have converted one of these to be completely female like that is to say I've um I've taken the piece off of her upper chest and like sculpted a second breast piece and then built up Her bodice all the way up. You can do that. It's actually not too hard Um, but I I like the the nature of it containing You know sort of being both somehow Without sex and yet having both in there or whatever Uh The I like there's a lot of little nuance in this model that's really gorgeous when you paint it like just The shape of her face Like I know sometimes people don't love the face because they obviously there's the sort of more gotish face or whatever But then there's also her bullish face or whatever you want to say, whatever the other one is and But then there's this the face that I prefer which is this one And it has these actually really Unusual angles It's slightly alien Okay, like her bones aren't in the exact right places Okay And it's such a minor touch, but I have no doubt that the sculptor did that intentionally Okay, like they didn't make it Perfectly feminine. It's not perfectly feminine or masculine. It's something else It has this very unique bone structure in the face right Uh, so yeah, like everything about this model is my favorite. So Yeah, there you go. Keep your secrets. She's beautiful I could have picked 10 things out of this in that range, but I controlled myself Because I also could have picked the mask. I also could have picked the uh, the one playing the harp On the dead guy or on the guy's back muscle. I'm gonna jump in I hate slinnish Sure, and I should have I should have like I should have jumped at this before And I had forgotten about it. Um, but there's actually like I think that there needs to be an honorable mention here. Okay Because I would not inherently choose slinnish In general ever okay, like it's just been something that like it as an aesthetic as an army. It's just never interested me But I'll say this I was so taken by the Sileski model Oh, yeah, sure. Sileski. Yeah, that I yeah the Sileski that I almost started a slinnish force Yeah, I get it. I don't know if you remember that like but like when we were talking about doing our teams last year at Havoc Right. It was a year ago Because the Sileski model was so Enrapturing to me. Yeah. Yeah, perfect word um, I thanks I um I almost I almost bought and built like a an std based Um slinnish army. Yeah. Yeah Well, I mean and I can't wait to see what we get out of the rest of the mortals, right? Right. Sileski is gonna be a part of that clearly. Yes, because what I'll say is this It seems like they went for the Um, not the Babylon the Persian army Allah 300 is the inspiration for The mortal slinnish army. Yep, and if that's the case I might be in Yeah, he himself has a very sort of Xerxes feel to him. Yes. Yes Yes And like if we get an army like that for the rest For your leather daddies of that like Persian like the 300 the comic slash movie Persian army Uh, yeah, I might this would be an army that I could collect. Sure. Yeah, I get it I mean, that's just it.  The fact that you can actually arrange the the Tragedy comedy mask so that her eyes line up to be looking through it at a distance when you hold the model in the Right way like it actually sits over her face Is incredible everything and it's movement it communicates dancing. It's gorgeous. But yes, Celeska is another one like it was just Man that that the updated slanash was everything I wanted. It was everything I dreamed of for the past 14 years. So I'm all about it Yep, so I could definitely like so there are aspects of slanash that really grabbed me Yeah, and especially if they're doing that that aesthetic I'm in like I'm like that's Yeah, it's it's an army. I can collect. Let me say it that way nice Uh, next up was my pick out of night haunts and I actually picked Lady lady. Oh lady. Oh, yeah. Yeah, uh, I think she's gorgeous. I absolutely love lady. Oh, I love how How nothing she is What I mean by that is they did a wonderful job of capturing Nothing in a sculpt Okay Yeah, uh That's that sounds stupid But it's actually really hard to do because what the sculptor did is she goes Yes, what the sculptor did here is actually Use negative space as part of the model Right by putting the vine and the end and the stuff up into the open part between her Her flowing little ghost dress, right? It it fills the negative space with something but it makes you aware of all the nothing Right. Yes. Yes.   They're the part of it that That's They're the dread sight inheritance, which like is a particular part of your the army that you just never see Like it's something that just that's never taken off. Yep but I do like the treasure chest and the broken hourglass like cool cool elements around her Uh, she herself with the way that they just so subtly captured And it's like this sort of marble sculpture fashion of the skull Underneath this wedding veil that she's wearing Right. Well, she is the mortar of grief and you could guess she's sad solely from looking at the thing like she feels Sad and shrouded and full of loss Right with these withered old roses and and all of this stuff that that she has um She she like all of the ghosts do a good job of feeling ethereal There's a reason that the night haunt won our aesthetic survey, right? They were if you remember they were the They were the highest rated model range And and legitimately so yeah and I do not disagree with that at all, but of all the things that feel ethereal I argue Lady O feels more ethereal than almost any of them. She's so Wonderfully and apparition The way she the way she's floating She almost reminds me of the the first ghost you see in Ghostbusters The old librarian in the basement of the new york public library, right where she's just kind of Floating through right before she turns all scary, uh, which is very much that um Uh And paul just said a os lady haversham. Yes, I agree completely uh, so yeah the um It's a it's a Just a absolutely gorgeous sculpt. So yeah, not much more.   She can't trip Right, right, okay But she's holding the dress almost as though She's in the wedding procession Right, right. It's this echo of her time when she was alive And her handmaidens are floating next door.  Okay So love it Light of al-tharian Had to pick him best in the lrl range Couldn't pick a cow mountain I like him, but he's not up there But the light of al-tharian Is this the best sculpt in lrl, tom? probably The only competition would be The dawnriders Okay, who are also very nice, but to me this guy is For me, uh, I like, you know what would have sold it for me I'm ready If he wasn't hollow See, I love the hollowness. That's actually Okay, see for me like I It's fine being hollow I love how solid he feels and yet ghostly at the same time It's a wonderful connection of what's missing and what's there Because you can look at him and miss the missing parts I would agree with that. I would also be okay if he was just an elf I like him better as this cool ghost.  Look at this one Right up to the head. Look at these two Like everything is drawing you to the center of this model. It's this perfect Ray, he's like a starburst out from the center Right. Yep. Yep Yeah, I for me I Um, I am just simply not happy with him Okay, and I don't know why I mean honestly and I think it has to do with his incorporeal character Is it because for me, I think it just feels so disjunctive with the rest of the army Okay, and I know and like and I know that sounds like that's a really weird aesthetic critique given that like He's not next to any of those models, right? Yeah, yeah It's something that is just like I can't get past that with this when I look at him That's fair. I get it Like and so because he's so disjunctive from the rest of the range That's what I think feels so off to me. Hmm. All right.  I love everything about it Yep for the for the lumeneth and that sword master Please please Please let that be the new unit that's coming Absolutely if they do that and I can make an entire army of just sword masters I may be back in nice. All right. We'll see what happens Uh loon boss on cave squig picked him over the Loon boss on mangler in the end. I just think this guy's a better sculpt I think the loon boss on mangler is good. I think I saw somebody make a comment about this being the worst sculpt That's madness on on twitter madness and and the argument is is that the so much of this army is is silly and deadly And he just looks deadly and mean Like there's no silly about this model. Uh, have you seen that hat dangling off the back of his head? He's wearing a little weird pointy hat. I disagree. Squigs are innately funny. Okay. Yes I agree with that. That's number one number two that long weird wacky pointy hat he's wearing That's not that's not a con hat. Not only that like the mushroom tip down by his foot You can't see it in this picture. Yeah is going through his foot. It has impaled him The mushroom has impaled the foot of the squig sure Uh, that's good buddy to me this guy. I just like the mangler's cool, but he's kind of just a busy chaotic Thing. Yes, right? Yes Aesthetically, it's fine. It's not bad. I it was it was my other choice that I and I labored over this for a while But I agree. Both of those were all my possibilities when I looked it gets Yeah, but this was the one I ended up choosing because to me it's just It's such a cleaner smoother like More concise image Right that you don't it doesn't you don't lose them You don't lose the thread looking at this guy, right?  He's he's ready to go tilt to the windmill this dude, right? And he is with a a bent Wonky lance. Yeah, sure if you have this I this version happens to be built with a sickle, but yes Yes, but yes, he also has a bent funny lance. Yes Yes Yeah, this dude's great. Uh, this is a lot of fun to paint one of the most fun. I've I've had in a while I painted this up for um, this was for mefs um Give away giveaway for the charity stream for the 27 hour Uh, rantathon for mental health and this is the model that person picked and it was great fun I'm super glad I got to to paint it. So there you go Because I I don't have a gets army obviously gets Yep Lord of change The lord of change Uh, I think There are two greater demons That made it on this list for me Keepers the best and the lord of change is number two Because this guy is bononkers He's he's insanity. He's insanity in 10 cities, right? Uh, between these incredible feathered wings His ridiculous like staff or a stick or a sword or whatever Uh, all the little bejangles and bejingles around him He's so much fun to paint the musculature the bone the claws like this dude took me forever to paint But I absolutely loved painting him Um, this guy's another guy you see in painting competitions all the time Because he has such a gorgeous model Aesthetically the weird movement of him again. He has all these lines pushing down in his weird head torso Right his super long neck and He and yet all the attention is still drawn to the right place Uh, despite the chaotic Uh Cavalcade of nonsense that's happening around this model And he just has all these wonderful little details and options in the sculpt itself Like the different choices you can make around the face and how many eyes he has And there's just like tons of little choices you get to make with this fig That I think are really beautiful So, yeah And like all Zeench, he's an excuse to go ham with the colors Not turkey No, ham Indeed he is he is in fact a turkey. Yes.  This is my pick. That's all I've got to say about him No, he's pretty Okay, I thought I thought about it. He's good mega boss on foot This was my pick for iron jaws picked him over the mega boss on mall crusher because in the end. I feel he's just stronger sculpt Uh, he's the mall crusher, but the dude on foot's a better sculpt. This is imposing If if the mall crusher had an open position Yeah, and not a closed position I think that the mall crusher would be a stronger shop So all like the remodeling where the arms are out where it's like trying to fly or glide Those are a hundred times more better than the closed position But I but I agree with you this this mega boss model. It's just a joy to paint. Yes Super fun to paint Super amazing Brutality right like this guy communicates brutality Uh, yeah, and yeah, I I mean I've painted I've painted this guy four times now okay and They are so rewarding to paint. You've got space for freehand. You've got the wonderful iron jaws armor You've got this incredibly expressive orc face Like iron jaws faces are wonderful. They're so expressive. Okay. Yep. Yep, and uh They uh Like I just I love the oversized choppa just Being incredible, right? Yeah, uh, so yes, I'm I'm all about the big old mega boss the mega boss on foot I think he's it. I would agree another guy you see and by the way you've seen in like painting competition after painting competition after painting competition Yep Uh, Marathi herself Uh, yeah, I thought you're gonna do this right after the canary. It's so funny Marathi was on both of our our lists Yes, and like I was like I ended up having to like force paint Marathi in a very short turnaround And I actually like I was really stressing about it. But once I got into it.   Sure Small Marathi's kind of underwhelming her pose is kind of boring. She's just kind of standing there with like her stick pointing out But big Marathi Yeah The positioning of the wings and the snakes and the way she's looking down upon you and judging you The stack in this one dynamic Yes, the scales of big Marathi were such like I was like so I started painting. I'm doing this pattern Right because I wanted to do like the like the the standard kind of like like like bow constrictor diamond patterns and I started doing it and then realized that I didn't actually count the scales and know if the pattern would work So I'm like deep in this project and I went oh And so then like I was like well, let's just try it You know like I'm this far And so I began like color mapping trying to figure out and actually like it's It was perfect Yeah, because the design on the scales Were numbered exactly right. Yeah, sure sure no, I got like she is just Absolutely gorgeous every element of her feels so perfect when you're painting her Uh, the muscle changing into the wings the iron heart of Kangin or whatever like every even the little tiny details details also Her face is absolutely Majestic like the yeah, you know to talk about Expressions and being able to read character on facial expressions Like cataclysm.  Yeah Yeah, her face and her pose tell you everything you need to know about how she feels about everyone else hence why mine is on like a Very tall piece of uh of column made not the little one that's on the ground So mine is 11 inches tall or something like that Mm-hmm Nagash big poppin. Nagash. Wow. I put him in here I think he's still worth it.  I mean he's fine. He definitely wins the most improved player award Sure like no doubt about that Like so I painted one. Um, I actually have a painted Nagash Like I had finished I bought some old a big collection and he they had a partially painted one And so I actually like did the finishing run on him and I actually enjoyed painting him Like I remember doing his like and that's by the way what got me to really want to do night haunt was his ghosts Yeah, sure I just think he's cool. Again way up floating love the pose with the legs He could be a little bit more action oriented, but it's fine.  This is the the stock photo Obviously it's out there. I think I think the sword in his hand is a little better than stick in his hand or whatever but But he is he is the big bone daddy himself Uh, as of the god sculpts, he's the one that feels the most like yeah, man That's a that's the god of death right there more than marathi She's not a god Yeah, you're correct yet Um, well, I think we're at least better than her, but yes, I'm saying like between Yes, he feels like a god. Yes. He feels more goddess than a larial. He feels more goddess than um I mean too.  It's ridiculous Yeah, every time I see one of those. I'm like, you know, I can maybe go for another big gosh. Sure. Sure. Um So like he also repositions really well. Oh, yes, techless, of course I can be pretty techless the other god that's out there. He's not a god He is Yeah, see this guy's definitely beaten out techless negash is definitely heads and children's book techless I literally know all about him because I'm trying to forget about the techless sculpt He would be on the opposite version of this show Right, right, right. Yeah, there's a free one for you, joe. Yeah all right, uh ogroid mermadon Not the thonger the mermadon this dude's great open pose very angry love his arms Looks like he's roaring ready for battle The wounds and the scars on him.  Thaumatars is also a pretty great fig But he's kind of in a weird Contra pasta position. That's a little strange. This dude is just beef Right, just ready to go man. He looks like he is ready to Get down Okay, so I dig him Yeah, I like him. I've never bought one because I I don't know when I would play it, but uh, yeah Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, he feels like a gladiatorial Warrior, yes, right. Yes He really captures that Uh, getting to the end of the list, uh another model on that same line, which is the llama cat You thought we weren't going to do the war sphinx Or what are not war sphinx? Sorry, whatever he is the the the llama cat I can't even think of his real name anymore the mind stealer sphere ranks. There we go Um, you thought we weren't going to do the sphinx. No, of course we're doing the sphinx This guy's amazing this llama cat. I love him. I hate cats, but I love this guy. This guy's incredible Uh, love everything about him. He's fantastic. Good to paint Uh, really interesting pose Really beautiful like volumes of the way they captured the bestial musculature Uh, and I love his face I love the face with the little tongue out because he just looks like he's going like Like he's doing the the whole fava beans in a nice kianti. That's why that's why I picture him saying Uh, also the little horns that around his head that form a heart Well, yeah, I heart you too little guy That's what he's telling me. He loves me every time I look at him.  I know so I like him weird and disturbing which I enjoy. Yeah Uh, I think the worst I think I picked the worstompa the mega gargant Uh, I think the new mega gargants are a success having my hands on this model They're so incredible.  Okay. Yeah Yeah, the he's got the big armored cestus on his other hand that it feels like he would just punch somebody with The horns on his back actually frame his head in a really nice way like that that is actually a really nice addition It does a lot of work up there This pose is also the best pose with him kind of coming forward the The uh, the kraken eater looks like he's at a deli and he walked over to get his drink and they called his number Because his sandwich is ready and he's like what? Okay, that's that's the pose he's in I can see that the reason why I ask is because I actually I think I like to dig the gatebreaker The most And I think that it's just because aesthetically when I was looking at them I realized he's the one that looks the most like So the concept that I got was to do him in a like a ghostly ethereal form. Sure Only like the head hood is his ghost sheet. Sure. Sure. He didn't bother to cover the rest of himself. Yeah. Yeah And because of his like his like port and callus loin cloth actually looks like possibly some of the gates from like the I think he could be ghosted up. Let me say that sure And so in looking at him like he's the only one that I actually got like a concept for When I was like trying to figure out how I would fit these in a door Sure. I also like the the levide on shell sort of a gut plate that he has I think that looks really nice. So sure. Yep Uh, but yeah, this guy's good. I just I mean I I loved converting this one. I can't wait to convert the next one. So And then we end on on yours tom the last one you had which was our bags gets Yeah, it's interesting, uh, I looked across the the range and for Um When I looked across the range This is the one the kit that really jumped at me It just jumped off the page. Mm-hmm because it is so thoroughly Gloomspite. Yes. Yes. Like if gloomspite as the army could be distilled down to a single box This is it. Sure.  Uh, the guy roasting mushrooms on his back Brazier, right? It's like coals. He's got his back The archer where the the the hood is clearly fallen over his eyes And he doesn't know what he's shooting at and the other guy who has an arrow through the top of his cowl That I imagine was fired by the guy with the the hood that fell down Right, right, right Yes, like this is the entire army distilled into a single unit, right? Yeah And and all of these are superior sculpts to the normal boxes Yeah Yep, like and what I mean by that is not that like individually But like when they distill what those things are what the fanatic is what the squigs are What the relationship of the swings are to the goblins themselves This captures all of it. Yep. Yep with you And so it is just so so so characterful That's exactly what I was going to go for that's exactly the word. I was about to use character Yep And so you can learn so much about who this army is By looking at this unit. There's very other units in the there's very a few other units in the game Where you can tell the entire character of an army Based on a single unit. Sure. This is one of those Yep, I agree and all the sculpts are just in general superior to anything of the comparable stuff that you'll find The the goblin wizard any of the the the normal glooms by archers or even the fanatic I love this sculpt over the crazy huge flails that they're they're swinging. Yeah, like this is it This is the army In a in a unit and so like I just love it. Yep. Agreed Uh, all right. Well, that brings us to the end. What did we miss? Uh, drop yours that you love down in the comments I'd love to see anything you feel we didn't cover that are your own personal favorites And why tell me what it is that drew you to it I think that in the end we all play this game because We love the models itself like that we because each of us saw some army Some fig some something that was like I want to own that and paint that it's so cool, right And that's what makes this different than playing video games or having magic cards or anything like that Right is that we get to take these things and are drawn to them and we get to personalize them and make them our own So, uh, tell us down below what you thought don't forget to hit like Uh, subscribe if you haven't done it already, of course, but hit like it helps other people find the show I really appreciate it. We really appreciate it. If you hit like it's great. It helps other people Come join us every week. So with that tom, I'll say thank you. Appreciate it, buddy Yep And to all of you out there. We very much appreciate you watching. We'll see you next wednesday