When things like this happen in the world, when you see the murder of innocent Black lives and you want to take part, if you don't understand anything about civics, it can feel like a very overwhelming thing. So we're having a baby together and as a result, we've been having a lot of conversations about our beliefs because as Jared said, these convos have been pretty eye so we decided to film them and share them. Welcome to Values, an unfiltered dialogue series that we want you to be a part of because if you see the world in a different way than us that could benefit this community and our child, we want to learn. It's a series of no-cap convos about things like loyalty, finances, sexuality, discipline, and goal-setting. It's the good, the bad, and the work in progress of what we know now with an intention to know and do better in the future. What does the word civics mean to you or civic responsibility? I never really thought about it. I think I've only heard the word civic or civics in school so it makes me think of a class. I think it's a civics class so I don't I don't like hold the word dearly at all. I like kind of been like I think I'm interested in that but as I got older especially in the climate which we're in right now it's a very important word. What does it mean to you? Yeah I think it just means math same as what you just said. Yeah so if you say math to me I'm like who else is around? Who is there an adult in the vicinity who can take care of the next part of this conversation? Yeah and so civics feels the exact same way like yeah I don't know how to go is it lunchtime it just like when's the bell gonna ring and that is truly unfortunate so I'm doing a course right now that's called social psychology. Yes and I read a specific there's a chapter in general just about how much we need each other and need to feel like we can trust each other. Yeah and there was a specific part in this that really made me feel super guilty and I'm gonna read it. Social interest is the kind of empathetic bonding people feel for each other and the responsible actions and attitudes they take toward one another a sense of belonging and participating with others for the common good. Social interest requires that we have enough contact with the present to make a move toward a meaningful future and that we develop our capacity for contributing to the welfare of others and strive for the betterment of humanity. So what made you feel weird? I don't connect with any of that. Really? I don't here's the thing I think the work that I do naturally has a social responsibility. That's what I was about to say I was just about to be like your entire stance from what you feel about sex and how you want to educate people and get it to be normal is a part of you contributing to the community is a part of you looking at it and being like I think in the future we should be normalized in this area um so I think that unknowingly you are. I think I know that but that's where the puck really stops so I will just be super honest right now I despise talking to neighbors I she does I'm not I despise small talk in the outside world I'm not involved in my community at all I'm very embarrassed to say that you are though what do we do in the community you educate no that's the global community that is I have a passion for sex love and relationships and I have a community of people who have a passion or community of people who I can share that passion with what I'm talking about is civic responsibility yeah director so in specificity especially with the Black Lives Matter movement that's happening right now and understanding that the best way that you can be an ally or you can participate or be a worthy member of the community is to stand up for the rights of the community yes and it starts at home and it starts at home and then it goes further into legislation and it goes further into awareness building yeah but that's home though like that's the thing is so I looked it up last night because I'm like we're not involved in the community at all we're not involved in politics at all who's the councilman for this area I have no idea who's the mayor of LA uh grisetti good for you do you know who the governor is uh uh uh uh I know his name this is what we're talking about yeah we don't know too much about it yeah and as a result of that you don't know how to impact change and so when things like this happen in the world when you see the murder of innocent black lives and you want to take part if you don't understand anything about civics it can feel like a very overwhelming thing yeah because what is it that you can particularly individually do what is your social responsibility to impact change and so when I think about our kid I want them to feel like they can impact the world around them yes I want them to feel like if they think something is wrong or they see an issue in the system that they know the chain of events to make a difference for themselves and for the betterment of their community yeah I cannot apply that sentence to myself okay just a sidebar here um I actually looked up how to make change in the community and it's actually kind of difficult to find so if you're anything like me and you're not into politics but you have an idea that is going to make your community a better place uh I'm going to show you a simplified way on how to make that happen now it's not simple I will link a video that goes way more in depth than I am about to go into um that was really helpful for me because it explained a lot of things that I had no idea about and loosely this is how Brianna's law was actually implemented so without further ado here's the step by step process first you're gonna gather data reports anything that is going to support your cause anything that is going to explain why this issue needs to be handled and if you do handle this issue it's going to make the community a better place for everybody and then you're going to have to get petitions now these petitions are going to let the council know that you're not alone in this issue and that you have your the support of the entire community then you're going to have to kind of learn the language so you need to know the city charter and the city codes now this is the language they use in these council meetings um I advise finding somebody who knows the language very well who probably works in the building because they're going to be able to help you explain your issues to the council so that they can understand it then you're going to want to make your target as specific as possible so for example in Minneapolis they wanted to add bike paths into their city now the first street they attacked was the busiest street because they knew if they got that first win it was going to be a snowball effect from there then you're going to want to understand the comprehensive plan now the comprehensive plan is basically the public's way of letting the city know what they want to see in the next 10 years and the city actually uses this as a guideline while they're making building improvements on the city so if you can get your cause added into one of the tiers of the comprehensive plan then you have a better way of influencing them to make your issue an important issue also you're going to want to go to city council meetings now not all of them are public but the ones that you can get into you should go to because what it's going to do is you're going to first you're going to be able to put a face to all the board members also you're going to be able to see who's the leader in the room and you're going to be able to see what matters to them so once you figure out what matters to them brainstorm on how if they help your issue it is actually going to help their issue so the sites that have been helpful for me I found empowerla.com which is embarrassingly simple yeah it literally shows you the different steps of government it tells you how you can start getting involved it shows you the process of working your way up should you want to get more involved in your civic duty so that I was like sometimes when things are so easy you want it to be hard so you're like oh this is why I didn't do it yeah because it's so difficult yeah and you're like it's a website have you ever been to a council meeting or like any type of like community meeting this is a thing growing up Jared I don't want to you know pass the blame but we're never involved in our community growing up yeah I don't even I didn't come from a church background either yeah so other than my family I don't have any community involvement I had community involvement based on my interests yeah so extracurricular the time was track and field and then now as an adult my interests which is intimacy so I have community based on what I like but do I have community that is based on the social interests of others yeah no and growing up did I have that no yeah I've grown up I was like heavily involved in the church so like there was a lot of activism in the sense of like lower needs people um so we used to go to like lower income areas provide meals we would like that but that wasn't me organizing it it would be the church organizing it and I would show up and be a facilitator so um that still means something yeah you still have a connection but to say but but to further it is more or less to be like you know if it was up to me I didn't like go down to the homeless shelters and like help out just because you know I would do it because I had a base of community that made it easy for me to show up um so I do wish and I do want to start building that into my character now well I think it's a mix of both like when I think about what I would like for our kid it is to feel a civic responsibility it is to feel the joy because again like I don't I know what it's like through the community here but I don't necessarily know what it's like to feel a connection with the people I live around or to walk out what does that do I mean I think it you it makes you feel like a connected member of the community if things happen you're aware of it if there's dangers if there are things that you want to change like even something simple like you are on a street we have a street and people speed through our street we put speed bumps you want to put speed bumps on that street or something happened to somebody in the community and you want to advocate for that person there is an outcry of homelessness in the community whatever it is in general even if it is like growing out a garden to donate to somewhere else and so I think there's a multitude of things that that would give to you and also give back to community in return but I also want them to feel like oh I'm not just living here yeah I have a choice and in this uh in this country yes I'm able to band together and make change when I want to things are not just happening to me I actually love following Amber for that reason Amber's closet shout out to you yeah she's amazing she's been killing it she's really shining right now during this time because she'll just put out specific things hey sign this petition if you want to see less funding go towards the police and more funding go towards social change programs that actually make a better impact and keep the community safe yeah sign this petition if you want to see this um council person who has pardoned so many police officers who have murdered people and you want to see them taken out of office yeah so it's just like a click and I'm like I can do something more of the story is Shannon and I are not experts in this area um but we want to become experts so that we can pass down the knowledge to our unborn child and um it has now become very important especially with the time on how we need to be able to understand how to get into office how to uh impact change on a government level rather than just an emotional level um so yeah if you guys know of a place and a place that you guys go to where you get your knowledge and your education we would love to hear from that um right now I've been really diving into obama.org um but I feel like that's a safe way uh and I feel like it's one of those ways that's like of course obama knows what to do i'm just gonna go follow what he doing um I love brittany pacnit cunning him yeah but she's also affiliated with obama yeah but um that is the no hate eight that's being pushed right now yeah and so they're really about like here's the clear cut next step and that's what I need right now I need to be spoon fat what she actually meant to say was campaign zero's eight can't wait reform if you don't know what they are go check them out at eight can't wait dot org so the reason why I like obama dot org is because they have a tab where it is called meet anguish with action and the first thing they do on this page is they educate you so they have all these studies they have articles and they have a lot of you know causes and organizations that have been fighting these causes that we're actually experiencing on a global level right now and they put it on one concise area so that you can physically read and see all the things that are going on and then right under that they have to take action tab and that is basically where you can sign petitions get involved um and how to really implement change in this world that we live in but I really want to be able to say ho harley you know I know what to do here's where you can go and help here's who to vote for these are the reasons why I'm voting for this person I feel like we kind of wait for a leader to be like vote for this person and then we go oh yeah let's vote for that person and I don't really want to operate that way anymore I think that's how you get taken advantage of I think that's how you um you vote for things that you may not know and understand and you get into a position where you're like wait I actually didn't vote for that that's not what I thought I was voting for um so I just don't want to even I don't even want to cross that path so I need to do the work why I think it's so important it's not just for the vegetable reason of this right I think like the the nutrition the nutritious value in civics is apparent it's built into it the nutritious value in math is apparent it's built into it but it's also a twinkie it also can bring you so much joy it also it can be really fun again it can make it more joyful for you to get into conversations with your neighbors because now it's not just fluff talk you actually have substantive information that both of you actually care about benefit from and the joy you get from giving back the joy you get from feeling a part of something when you see change happen that you know you had a small hand in like that because at the end of the day we're trying to raise a full child and a child who is better than we are and we were but the same time I'm trying to raise a happy kid yeah and it's like um you know there's something empowering about uh seeing something you don't like and then saying I want to make a change and then seeing that change happen um I feel like a lot of times in at least my youth full life when I felt a lot of anguish is because I didn't feel like I had power or control in the world I feel like you know it was just all happening to me um and to know that that's not true and to know that you have power to change things I think it's very um it's it takes a lot of the anxiety away so at the small root of it all at least it would do is give you at least a base understanding that you can change anything that you want to change so that's it that's a good ending I'm not gonna talk I'm not gonna try to get the last word okay I technically just did but it's over it's over


I'm the host of the Gamer's Change Lives podcast. It's a show where we talk to eSports entrepreneurs around the world to talk about how eSports can create jobs, almost anywhere, especially in emerging markets. And I'm sitting in today for Catherine Neuer, who generously let me take over her chair here today. And we're gonna be talking with two accomplished female eSports and gaming entrepreneurs, who have made an impact in the wide world of eSports from places like Africa, Southeast Asia, China, US. First, the first guest is Eniola Idan from Lagos, Nigeria. She's the founder and CEO of Gamer Africa, which has been doing amazing things across the African continent. Welcome, Eniola. Thank you very much for having me, Tom. Where are you talking to us from? I'm talking to you from Dallas, actually, in the US. Great. So not in Lagos? No, not in Lagos at the moment. And I'm doing a lot of traveling because there are a couple of meetings and events with Amacanden and the US currently. Great, great. We also have Chantelle Denise Ortega. She works at Galaxy Racer and is one of the founders of the Asia chapter of Women in Games. Welcome, Chantelle. Hi, Tom. Thank you for having me here again and thank you to Think Tech Hawaii for having us. So where are you speaking to us from? I'm currently here in Mexico City. When I had the guesting at your podcast, still here, but leaving this week. Oh, really? Where are you going to? I'll be going to Lima Peru for about the month. Wow, that sounds great. That sounds great. Now, today we wanted to have a discussion on how culture impacts women in esports and games and more of a conversation, not just about women in games, but how culture impacts people joining the industry and also rising to the top levels in the industry. Now, as I say on my podcast, I am not the expert, I'm more of an explorer and that's definitely the case here. The role of women in society differs from location, from culture, from history.  So starting with the question, I'll start with you, Chantelle. How does culture impact women in the industry from your experience on the countries where you've been? Yeah, so I come from the Philippines. I personally believe that women in my culture are seen as somewhat powerful. What we call mothers in our culture is like the Ilo ng Tahanan, meaning the light of the house, which I take it as a guiding. We are the guides for people in our company and our family. And I think for the Philippines, there's not really a huge difficulty to enter the games industry. However, when I entered the games industry, it was because there was an opportunity in Malaysia. So that's how I got into the gaming space. And I believe that for that country, there's just some cultural practices that will make it difficult for a woman, such as myself, to actually meet, for example, government agencies who you want to have conversations with. And did you find it different from the Philippines to Malaysia?  And then my experience was there was this instance that we were going to be working with a government agency. But then since it's Malaysia, it's a Muslim country, the practices are different. They said to us that they would prefer to talk to a male counterpart. But the problem was I was the only one in my esports outfit. So we had to hire another guy to join. Just to speak for you. Yeah. Yes, I remember being up for a job to go to Indonesia. And this has been many years ago. And they're like, no, he's too young.  People won't listen to him. So there are some situations like that. How about in Africa, Eniola? How does culture impact women joining the esports industry? Thank you very much for the question, Tom. I mean, just listening to Shantel talk about the Philippines and jealous, right? When we made the regatta, I mean, we got women at the light of the house. It's very different here on the continent, on the African continent, because again, women, the way that women, I mean, the description for women is typically the old makeup, right? So there's almost no place for a woman even in across different sectors, not just gaming, right? So when you're not talk sports, you're not talk esports, right? It is heavily male dominated. So taking, I mean, just taking that head on and stepping into the space takes a lot of audacity and guts to be really able to say, this is what I'm doing and this is what I want to do and this is how I am going to do it and this is who I am. So it's very different here. There's almost no place for a woman in terms of, you know, you're trying to build a career out of something at all. And then I'll talk esports. But I also, I believe we're starting to see I mean, some sort of changes in that narrative already. I mean, I did it. 30% of my team members manage, management of management at Gamer with women, right? So again, it's almost been that change that you want to see. And then, you know, it's one step at a time and we're doing it already. So what do you think of the differences between, because I know like in talking to you before about doing your Gamer X 10 Nation Tournament across Africa, you're talking about, you know, some people from Central Africa, East Africa and West Africa where there's a complete language difference there. It's one of the things that I was learning more about was just that how French is the native language, the native language that people speak in West Africa. Do you notice a difference between the different regions in Africa as far as women's access to being in the esports business? It's a common problem on the continent. That's the, that's the simple answer. It's a common problem on the continent. I mean, we celebrate, we literally celebrate when a woman get a role that has been settled with a lot of male domain for years. So it is a general problem. It is common. It's not specific to Nigeria, our origin market. It's something that we have witnessed across the various markets. However, the narrative is changing like I mentioned earlier. No, let's talk about that for just a second. First with you and then with Chantel, you're saying things are changing. What's making them change? I would like to say that the cost form that the changes within is again, women are taking up roles. I'm going to make reference to a young lady who recently emerged as 30 on Forbes for Africa. She's a queen arrow, right? She is a Tekken player and for such recognition. I mean, there's been a lot of male players in that industry and on the continent for a very long time, right? But she got the recognition because I believe she's gone the extra mile to showcase our work, to walk the work and walk the talk and intentionally creating space and taking up space for herself. And that is what we're saying. There's been a lot of education around female gamers as well, as well as the female checking up positions and roles in the industry. So, I mean, the world is paying attention and this is talking in terms of global presence for the continent and women are really doing this. Gamer is literally present in 12 markets on the continent. We are working with different partners from every part of the world and it sees a woman leading that.  So, I don't have to say that is the reason, I mean, that is a major reason for what a change we're starting to see now in the industry. That's great. So, Chantel, are you seeing women making something out of nothing in your experience? And what is, are you also seeing changes in some of the markets? Just one of the things I learned about in talking to you and other people about galaxy racer is just how many different cultures, how many different countries galaxy racer is part of. So, are you seeing changes also for women in some of the places that you're working in now? Yeah, definitely. So, when I started in eSports and gaming in 2019, there has been a lot of focus on just like pushing a lot of eSports tournaments, but not really like now when they want to have focus on like female initiatives, like women empowerment, female gamers and all of that, which is very good. Seeing that change throughout four, three years is really amazing because, you know, that what you're doing is making a difference. You know, when I joined women in games as an ambassador and then eventually as a leader for women in games Asia, I realized that there are a lot of women in the industry who just don't have support or who just don't know anyone.  And it's a feature that I am looking forward to wherein, you know, gender doesn't matter in gaming. Yeah, yeah. One of the things I remember you talking about when we were, when you were on the podcast was talking about creating a pipeline because you were talking about inviting more women into the industry, but also creating a pipeline for women to go to the very top levels of leadership. Can you talk a little bit maybe about how culture impacts women to be the leaders, the top leaders of a business in places where you are, Chantel? Yeah, definitely. I do want to raise that for example, in gaming, right? What we know is that it's a male dominated industry. Gaming has always been targeted at men. So from my, in my point of view, it's like, you know, it's not the men's fault that they're the ones being targeted for gaming, but it's more on like the cultural practices. It was just the norm for like the first few decades of gaming that, you know, it's mainly guys or like playing. But for now, there is a lot of changes. For example, we do want to have more representation for our young female gamers to actually, you know, when they grow up, they can really take up profession as an esports athlete. And on the creating a pipeline, it's one of our pillars for women in games where we prepare, we expose ladies interested to join the industry to different workshops, networking, expose and all of that, which I didn't have when I started this industry, which I think is really beneficial to those who are like interested to join, who are seeing a lot of developments in games. No, I think you're doing a lot of great things there. I mean, I'm always hearing good things about what women in games in particular is doing. Iniola, in Africa, do you see that there's a distinction between women just joining in the esports industry and also being able to run an esports organization? I mean, talk about a role model. I mean, you are already running one of the top esports organizations in Africa. Yes, we're seeing a lot of that. I think first is the mind, it's the mind barrier. I think that some reason gaming is from a perception standpoint has been perceived for a very long time as a male thing. So what we sort of deploy, I mean, what we deployed when we were starting out and I made this, I made this an agenda, right? Is the education. And I'll also use this opportunity to say to a lot of females who want to get in the industry or being in the industry and you just think that I can, or you can be, or I can be as an athlete, right? They're different.  You can be an events producer. You can be, you can be anything. I mean, there's a digital opportunity as well. You can be anything. It's an industry just like any other industry. So you really necessarily don't need the skills, right? You don't have to be a gamer to be in the industry. That's really no barrier as to what you can become, right? Where you just like set your mind to it. If it's an industry, you find interesting. And the truth is for me on the continent, we're just starting, you know, I feel like the future is so exciting, like Shantel said, I really, I really want my heart. We're just starting.  And because again, if women can take off these opportunities then, you know, we're also pulling the ladder back down for more people and opening up spaces for more women in the industry. But I think there is no limit. And I think that should be the message really. You can be anything. You can be a content writer in the gaming industry and e-sport industry. You can be anything, right? From just that, from being an Intel, to intent, to an associate, to, I mean, the full spectrum and open to getting into a leadership position overall in the industry. One of the things I like in talking with you, and it's like every single time, almost every time I hear you talk, you start going through a list of all the jobs that can be created in e-sports. And I think that is so good because a lot of people, I'm Queen Arrow, an excellent role model if you're going to be a player. But like you said, and when you were on the podcast, you were talking about one that's always stuck with me, a drone operator. You hired a drone operator for the van. I thought, man, how exciting would that be to be the drone operator inside one of these places? Also wanted to then touch on, first maybe with you, Aniola, how important is the education? And maybe are there changes that need to take place in education to give more women the skills to join the industry? I think that's the base of, and that's the foundation. You cannot be what you don't know and you cannot even aspire to be what you do not know. So I believe that's the base for the engagement and for the conversation. One of the things, I mean, thankful to you, Tom, for putting this together. Chantel will make my work easier because one of the things I had in mind attending Paris Games Week later this year is to really have conversations with organizations such as Women in Games and see what representation of that body can be in Africa. So that we can then start to tool that in because it's the foundation of anything, right? We really need everyone, I mean, particularly women who, you know, they're aspiring to get in the industry. They wanna get in the industry, but they don't know how. They don't understand anything. They don't know, I mean, they just don't get it. So it's important for us to do that. It has to be very intentional. We have to be deliberate about it because it's the foundation. If we do not educate or showcase the opportunities or, you know, tell the story correctly and, you know, spotlight women who are doing amazing in this space that people can turn to and see as role model, then it's going to be a really hard sell. So if you ask me, my simple answer will be education is really the baseline for this change we all want to see. Is that the same for you, Shantelle? Yeah, definitely. And, you know, calling attention to our cause, having partners who really believe in the same advocacy with us, wherein, you know, you want to educate your younger audience. You want to train them. You want to create a pipeline, as we mentioned, wherein they can really inject themselves into the industry with what the skills they have. And so if there turns out to be an Africa chapter of women in games, this show gets credit. You guys get credit for making something like that happen. So one of the things I wanted to talk about here also is, in the only you were starting down that road, maybe I'll let you finish. What advice would you give someone starting out?  What advice would you give to a woman of any age interested in joining the eSports gaming industry? Eniola? Just do it. Really? Yes, just do it. And I'm not a gamer. You know, I'm not a gamer, right? I got interested. I mean, it was something that caught my attention from just traveling around the world and, you know, thinking back and seeing the talents that exist in my home country and on the continent. And I saw that great opportunity and I said, you know what, we are going to build this. We're going to build out the industry. I had little to zero knowledge. I'm not even going to say little. So this is me just getting up and saying, I'm going to do it and I am doing it. Of course, it will be unfair of me to say that I haven't received significant, significant amount of support from people who believed in this crazy vision or mission that I am back to. And those people sort of provided me with the support needed to thrive and make the journey easy as we continue to build out. But it started with my mind. I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to get up and do it. And I will find support that I can leverage on. I mean, Tom, you have been instrumental in our story in the last couple of months since we met you. I'm a musician till now. I'm really truly hoping, you know, we will build a lot of things out together. And just do not be afraid to ask for help, really. I mean, I say it all the time, no one gets credit for going the difficult route or taking the difficult route when you can find support or find help, if you just ask.  So do not be afraid to knock on those doors. So I think ask for support, ask for help. And of course, you cannot just do it without making that decision. So get the requisite knowledge as well. You have to learn, you have to unlearn and you have to relearn. Because there's certain beliefs that you have that you have to draw if you really want to like thrive in a space that naturally has been considered as on feet for you by all means necessary. So I think first is just do it, get off. So ask for help, ask for help. However, you will get knows, of course, but the knows are always, always super, super interesting for me, I take them as challenges and I'm like, I'm going to make you come back to me. Yes, no, that's a great approach. And I think one of the things that I learned certainly in talking to almost everyone on the podcast so far is that they're doers. They don't sit around, they're not looking for roadmap. They're not looking, they're not, they're not waiting for permission to go do something. They're just going to go do it. So Chantel, what advice would you give someone who is thinking about joining the eSports, the gaming industry? I would have to agree with Anyola that yes, just do it. Cause like, I just found out you also are not a gamer initially, but you know, as I mentioned in our podcast, Tom, I was also by accident came into this industry. And that is why like, you know, we have to educate ourselves like, what do we want to do? Like, how is the ecosystem of the industry? Because you know what I found out? Whatever skill you have, we can really inject it into eSports, you know? A lot of my colleagues in Galaxy Racer, well, half of them are gamers, half of them are like from different industries, but it works because, you know, they bring in different skills and knowledge from those industries into eSports. And I think that's what makes it really developed. And another advice would be to really, you know, educate yourself, yourself connect with, for example, women in games, which is a great resource for, you know, support. And then also, for example, there are a lot of organizations now who are really running women empowerment initiatives in gaming and eSports. So for example, for Galaxy Racer North America, we have for Galaxy. Yeah, and in this ecosystem, we want to create a really sustainable ecosystem wherein, you know, we give them the opportunities, the funding for these athletes and also behind the screen. So for example, our camera men, our staff, we're really providing opportunities for women who want to break into the state. Could you, sorry to interrupt, but Chantel, could you describe in just a little bit more detail quickly as we're running down the clock here? But could you describe about what Galaxy Racer is doing in the U.S.? Because I thought that was a really interesting approach to what they were doing. Yeah, so Galaxy Racer is very active in different regions of the world. So we have Nina, Sati, Deira in Europe. For North America, our main, our day-to-day is really delivering for her galaxy. So it is our main IP wherein we really have to create like an ecosystem for women wherein those who are aspiring to be eSports athletes or those who want to try being in an official tournament for eSports, we are giving those opportunities. And yeah, for us, it's our day-to-day. Every day I'm looking for partners who want to connect with us. It's just to really send a message across and bring awareness to what women are facing in the games industry. And we just want opportunities for everyone. Which is really interesting because we're talking about culture and a lot of times we think of what's the culture in Africa? What's the culture in Malaysia? What's the culture in the US? And so that's, it's really an interesting thing that an interesting approach, I think that Galaxy Racer is taking in joining them and coming to the North American market. One quick question I wanted to go back to each of you and maybe with you, are there any advantages to being a woman in the industry? Yes, I mean, yes, I thought along in that because first is I try as much as possible. I think thinking about it in that way, man, woman in the industry, I think that's limited. So for me, I try not to like say it, but there is a lot of advantage because one, it's not common. So people pay attention to you, which means extra work because when you're coming, you have to come correct. Right? And don't expect to see that a table will get attention because you're a woman. So it's extra work, but again, it's an advantage to really, really show that, look, women can make a difference. I am a woman and I want to make a difference. So I think that advantage, it's precious, but again, you really just need to make the best out of it. You know, one of my favorite things from politics here in the US was, I think Shirley Chisholm, she said, if they don't invite you to the table, bring a folding chair. And that was just like, okay. Shantel, in the last few seconds, any advantages to being a woman and you're part of the world? An advantage would be, as Eniola said, we're not the main players in the industry. And for example, for her galaxy, there's been a lot of like movement wherein companies would like to be something for the DFI initiatives. So that's an advantage for me because there are brands who want to work with you for women in eSports. And I think personally an advantage would be, women are just more warm when you're meeting them for the first time. And I think I've been using that tactic when I'm meeting new brands.  That's great. We are running out of time here. I just, this has been a great conversation. I just keep going on and on and on. And I really appreciate both of you. People can see in the notes, in the video, where to go find out more information about what each of you is doing because you guys are both role models to women out there. So thanks again. This is the wide world of eSports. I'm sitting in for Katherine Newart. My name's Tom Leonard. I'm the host of the Gamers Change Lives podcast. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo. 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In the world of the S&P's, let's take a look at them. What do you have? Well, you get a bounce going. You get a contraction of volume going. You're coming into the July 4th week, the next week. Bottom line. I suspect we're going to run right up into July 4th. And what you have here is this. So the Spies, we've got 58 million shares today. You're up $9.80. And I suspect this is going to, you know, probably more than likely go far the bottom of the first gap. Now, the first gap here is set up at 401.44. And right now, you're 387.87. We go to the NDX100. We take a look at the NDX100. What do you have in the NDX100? Same type of setup. Bottom line. NDX100. Right now, up 780. You have 39 million shares. No. Yeah, we have 39 million shares traded right now. That's going to be a huge contraction also. We did 57 yesterday. That being said, I suspect this is going to run up into the 299 right now at 292. Now, if you've never seen how the three-gap play works, folks, okay, these are pretty cool, man. I've traded these a lot. So the way a three-gap play goes is that we had three gaps on the way down. And this is going up to Philip. The way, the first way that the gaps go is the trend. That is basically how it works. So it's going to be really intriguing when we get up into this price point. You know, bottom line, we'll see how it shakes out. I would like to see it into this price point, not until basically July 5th. That's the bottom line. We'll see how this shakes out. But I suspect they're going to get Phil number one and number two that you're going to have a contraction of volume all the way up. Gold. Gold contract came out. Rejected lower price again today. We got down to a price point of $18.17. Bottom line right now is saying, okay, I want to be at $18.17. And that was a fast gap down. I suspect you trade the futures. A lot of folks definitely get tapped out on that one because the bottom line, it was a one-minute wonder that took place at basically 9 o'clock this morning. It went from a price point of $8.23 to $8.17 and was back to $8.26 literally in a minute. So it is what it is. Kingdala. What do we have with Kingdala? Well, Kingdala basically gave the market a little relief out here today. He's out in $215.06. That being said, you know, bottom line, this is actually a sideways move in Kingdala. That's what you have out here. Let's go take a look at some of the higher volume equities as this will. So what ended up happening is this. Yeah, volume should come in. We have a re-balancing in the small caps today at 4 o'clock. So the small caps are going to have an explosion of volume. We'll see what it does to the S&P and to the Nasdaq. Right now you have advanced micros up $4. You get, let's see, NVIDIA is up $6.5. You get Wells Fargo up $2.5. Tesla's up $26. Let's get inside the Dow industrials and take a look at where the strength lies. I suspect they're almost all green. You know, the only ones red is Verizon and UnitedHealth. So we take a look at point-wise what you have out here inside the Dow industrials. You get, Goldman Sachs is putting 102 points. You get Salesforce putting 78, Boeing 48, Visa 47. UnitedHealth's the only one really taking 59 points away from it. We go into the NDX100. We take a look at the NDX. What do you have at the NDX? You get Airbnb up 8.4%. Facebook is up 5.8%. You got Workday up 5.6. Taking away from it. You get Lucet down 1%. Other than that, man, you are off to the races because that's very unusual when you actually take a look at something like that. Let's go to Freeport-Mac-Ran for a couple of the Tigers, FCX, and take a look at Freeport-Mac-Ran. You know, we'll see whether we can get a bounce out of here. I don't think this, let me see. Freeport came down hard. You're going to have volume 138 million versus 106. Well, if you can get this, if we can get this rejection of $29.97 by the end of today, you might have something. It's close, man. It's a close call because this is a lot of volume the way this came down. There's no doubt about it. Let me just see. That swing had 125, 114, 106. Yeah, this is not good. Okay, so yeah, this is good. This is an ABC structure down. You got $51. This is not good. Yeah, $33, $17, $18. You got $43, $33, $23. That's $26, man. That's $26. Yeah, I'd be really careful with Freeport-Mac-Ran because what you have here is that we definitely broke this B point this week and on the weekly it's going to have higher volume. It needed volume more than 125 million and we got, oh no, no, no. Okay, we don't have it. That's good, one second. Now we got $106 million. Oh yeah, but no, you know what? It's a four-day work week. We do. That's an ABC structure down. Because you take it here, 125, bottom line, you already got 106. You add 25 to that. That's 126 versus 125. So I'd be careful with that. That's for sure. Our phone number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. We have the Dow Industries right now trading up $691. You get the Nasdaq up $292. You get the S&Ps up $96. That is a percentage move, folks, 2.2% in the Dow Industries, 2.5% in the Nasdaq, and 2.5% in the S&Ps. Stay right there, folks. That's it. Tom O'Brien will come right back. Time of glooming inflation. We are purchasing powers eroded. There's no better place to protect your harder and money-thinning gold. This-the-goals flagship asset is the Monk Todd Gold Project in the Northern Territory of Australia. This is Australia's largest undeveloped gold project. We are talking a world-class gold project in a tail-one mining district. This is a large-scale, low-cost project with significant existing infrastructure in a politically safe and friendly mining jurisdiction. 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All the studios are in the second floor and our offices are in the fifth floor. So, I would come upstairs and I'd look at Besson and he'd say to me, we're up again, right? They just kept going up. They just kept going up, man. So, picture this, folks. As the stock's going down, he says to me, well, why is it going down? I mean, I'm just starting to understand because obviously I'm not that big into the market. Listen, the thing that's amazing about the marketplace, okay, where all speculate is whether it goes up or down, that's a reality. That is absolutely a reality. When it's more selling, when it's more buying, it goes up. But that's a reality. I'm just trying to picture, okay, why did it go up? What is the news? Why did this news make it go up or down? But it's wild. So, you know, on Fridays, folks, it's a real estate market. And so, we have quite a story right now telling you because we listed a house last night, beautiful house, extraordinary house, no doubt. 2.65 million, right? And it went live at six o'clock last night and we just got a cash bid and they want to close July 5th, right? July 5th. So, the real kicker here is, in a way, it's going to be intriguing to see that, okay, and well, that's one side of it. Now, the other side that you had been talking about this other house we have listed, we had to get out on a price and we still haven't got a call. Right? So, in that house there, that is like, what, 700, 770. Yeah, closer to it. So, the real, it's going to be intriguing here as we move forward is you know, is that big money still out there? Well, we know it's still out there because they had to send us proof of funds and the proof of funds were pretty incredible. There's no doubt about that. That was big money, yeah. It was huge money. So, I guess there's still some big players out there still trying to buy. So, this is always good feedback, especially when we're out there. And no, it is. It makes a huge difference. There's no doubt. And you know, yeah, we'll find out, man. Maybe we have a few friends. They're always reading these articles. It's always these gurus talking about the well-said market. Nobody really knows. Nobody is going to say, hey, this is what's going to happen in the next few months. Nobody knows. No, there's no doubt. And I guess one of the biggest questions really have to do with folks is that if you have to go out and borrow the money, that's one thing. And if you don't, then even in inflation, I was talking about the aspect yesterday, if inflation is running 10, 12%, well, every $100,000 you have, you're losing $10,000 to $12,000 a year. That's crazy. So, I could definitely see the types of buys that have that much cash to say, hold it, man. I got to put something in a hot asset, even if it goes down a little, I know how much it's going to go down in inflation. Well, apparently, this guy, he was. So, it's real possible that what we may start seeing is that type of larger money just stored it away in larger properties. Yeah, real estate and something that you can touch. Oh, for sure. For sure. And this is a prime location, there's no doubt. And it's still, well, it's $850 a foot. That's what we're getting, right? Yeah, which is, you know, a good number, but that's very not inexpensive, but from other major cities, you know, they can go off a lot more than that. Yeah, well, I mean, South Boston is still going on 1,1100 bucks a foot. That's crazy to me. So, listen to this, I was talking about South Boston a couple of days ago, folks, a triple-decker I had.  And you're going to sell it, it's going to go up to $3,500 square feet for $2.1 million. And it's on West Ninth Street. If you know anything about Boston, folks, so when we were growing up in South Boston, we, I was from the east side, and we thought we were always better than the people on the west side. That's where the God meant.  And the ironic part about it is that what ended up happening is that the west side actually ended up being worth more money because what happened on the west side was actually closer to downtown. It's all, it's around the same, but it turned into a beautiful neighborhood because there were so many old houses, you just knock them all down. It really turned into a different thing. Well, we know every block makes a difference here. Every block makes a difference, there's no doubt about that. The closer you are, the better. Right. Yeah. It's pretty well, so we'll see. So, the market today best is, you know, depending on the coin you're on, you know, you hear analysts out there, oh, no, no, this is, this might be it. You know, this might be the bottom. It's like, okay, well, you know, the news stories that are coming across is that, okay, things might not be as bad. Well, here, let me show you. What happened, folks, is that you know, even, to me this is just kind of trying to bounce those normal bounce. What you did have out here today is a bullet who, one of the governors, okay, that was always a real hawk, and he's claiming that, hey, you don't have anything to worry about, everyone's overblown the aspect that there's going to be a recession, you know. So, we're going to be filtering all of this, folks, in the next three or four months. The thing that's going to be really cool about where we are right now is that what seems to happen is that when you get close to 4th of July, markets like to run higher into 4th of July. And I said, that's what I expect, you know, is going to happen. Now, as one of our Tigers said, which is you know, right on, he says, hey, man, if everyone thinks that the market's going to run to July 4th, it's not. Yeah. We all know how this goes, folks. When there's too many people on the one side of the train, you know, the bottom line, but I suspect the way this is laid out right now, you know, we're going to have the rebalancing of the small caps today. And what the rebalancing does is this, the rebalancing gives lodge funds and indices a chance to get out of stocks they're in without destroying the integrity of the price. So this is at the close. All these big funds are going to throw buys and sells in and it will stay pretty close to the prices. That's what ends up happening. And that's what rebalancing actually does, folks. So the real question is going to be next week how do we go higher? Are we going higher and the contraction of volume is still there, if that's what it is. 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For more information, just click the Think or Swim banner on the front page of TfNN.com. Welcome back, folks. Best of you, Hugh Lee, Tom O'Brien. We do appreciate your growl and prowl and what us out here. We have the now investors right now up 720 and as except 305, S&Ps are up 99. And so, you know, as we talk real estate folks on a Friday afternoon, this is going to get really intriguing because, you know, this is a wild card, the aspect of what is going to happen with the large funds that have so many properties, right? The premier operators. This guy, I watched what this guy does. I think this guy's actually brilliant. It's Barry Stanlach. He is the CEO of Starwood Capital. The bottom line is that he's looking to sell two portfolios of single family housing unloading 3,000 properties. Yeah. 3,000 properties, okay? That's a lot of real estate. Well, the thing that's so intriguing about this is that, you know, this is in a fund. Yeah. They get paid good bread in a fund and it's like, okay, so is that saying that the rents are going to go down? What is he thinking? That's what he's trying to do. And the thing that's intriguing about this folks is this. You know, it says that he's working with advisors on the potential sale each which is expected to fetch approximately 500 million. The thing that is intriguing about this, okay, is that only in May, okay, we are in June now, he told Bloomberg that he roughly owned 15,000 single families, 10,000 apartments, and he was arguing that the mortgage rates would create more demand for rental housing. So that's pretty slick, man. Yeah. That would be like saying, oh, yeah, I know, it's going to be more demand. Well, if there's more demand, why would you sell it? Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're going to see. You know, the bottom line is that still the current sales comes during precarious time in the housing market, there's no doubt. So we'll see who steps into this. That's what it really comes down to. Who's going to buy these, huh? And one of the other Tricon residential, which is huge too, he actually told investors just the opposite in May that his portfolio, or their portfolio was actually down 100% from the peak. Oh, really? Yeah. So what happens here is this, folks, is that one of the main reasons that these guys can actually make so much money immediately on the rental aspect of it is that they're leveraged to the yin-yang. I see. You know, it's Wall Street bread. So the first thing at Wall Street bread inside it, then on top of that, they put the leverage on it, okay? So it's a big number. Yeah. Now, best of now I happen to know a couple well, this is one that's a large company for sure and he's all over Pinellas County and he's into Section 8 housing. And he's pushing them off left and right. Yeah, every week we see two or three coming on the market. So, you know, this is probably going to be an extra 100 single-family homes out here. Easy. Because when we were buying in 2010, 2011 this guy was definitely a competitor. Yeah. He was in a different market than me, basically. I obviously wish I was in his market at that point. Yeah. But the bottom line, he definitely knows what he's doing. He was buying like crazy and now he's selling like crazy. You know, and that just says that that type of experience is like, okay, the role is here, man. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, at the price he bought he's going to get no. Oh my God. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We know his properties. Yeah. They're slums properties. Yeah. He didn't do anything to them. Right. Collectors and rents, poor people that are living in them. It's going to be good for St. Pete, though. That's the bottom line. Because what ends up happening is that even if you were, you know, in the business and you're a flipper, that's who's going to get most of these and it'll loosen up a bit. Yeah. He's going to loosen up even to section eight, you know, people. Right. They can still get better properties. Yeah. They did. They picked them up. Exactly. No. They just let them go all the way down. So, we're starting to see a lot of that around here, too. Right. Yeah. And we're seeing builders now, too. Right. There are selling their properties. Yeah. Now that's new, folks. And these are builders that actually were trying to buy lots. Yeah. But then they always they never went through, huh? No. I didn't go through for some reason. Yeah. He was probably on the edge then, too. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that was last year. Yeah, it was. Now we're seeing them sell their properties. Yeah. So, I wonder why.  First, building new houses is so easy, it's the same. But compared to basically, you know, ripping the houses apart, I probably ripped about 50 houses apart between 2012 to 2014. Yeah. I mean. And then, as soon as things were getting better, I started building new houses. And the cool thing with new houses, you always know what you have with taking them apart, man. Yeah.  You just never know what's underneath it. You don't know, man. You don't know. I mean, you do a great job with all of them. Yeah, but, you know, a couple of them were challenging for sure. Yeah, compared to building from scratch. Yeah, compared to building from scratch. Yeah. And, you know, when you're building from scratch, folks, one of the it's the very beginning of the process, the foundation, the walls that are the most crucial, making sure that, you know, everything's straight. I mean straight beyond belief.  You put the roofs on, you put the trusses in, you know, the doors. The doors, the whole ball of wax.  I mean, they're supposed to be correct anyway.  And that's where you're just going to be there continually until that pot is on. Always check on it. So you put the roof on and then... Then they're good. And then the most of the time, you're pretty good. They move pretty fast, huh? These ones were moving fast, man. There's no doubt.  What is still happening is that they're claiming they're not because, of course, I get some bids out for, you know, a couple more. You know, and so I say, no, no, no, no, we're not slowing down. We'll be there. We're not slowing down. Exactly, exactly. How many crews do you need? Yeah, right, right. No, no, I know. Yeah, well, you know, what we notice, too, is with photographers. Yes. We were talking about that the other day. Oh, this is, wait, tell them this. This is great. This is a real tell. Yeah, so now that we know that there's a lot more listings coming up, photographers are a lot busier, too. Right.  Right. Now, isn't that cool, folks, for the opposite effect, me, that the photographers are getting busier because of the fact that there's more listings? Yeah. But it's pretty cool, then. Yeah. Now it's that whole, you got to start marketing again and, you know, stage in and... Yeah, because you staged that. That's right. He staged one this week, the same one that... You didn't need to do that a few years ago, right? No, no. I staged them what, five years ago. Yeah, yeah. That's when it was hard to sell a house, man. You know, even though the economy was good, it was different. Yes, we knew. It's like... I used to keep saying to him, folks, well, he would hear, like, I mean, the type of market that the whole United States had, you know, like Boston, a few places had, you know, like for the last seven years, okay, we only had no inspection, cash. I mean, that's only been with us for a year. Yeah. You know what I mean? The leg was big, you know what I mean? Apparently, that's how the leg was, too. Yeah. For, like, years and years. Right. Finally came here, so... There we are. Well, I guess this... Yeah, it's still happening, but... 2.65 million. It's a pretty good deal. 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It's going to be close, man. That's going to be a close call. What we did have yesterday was we got volume in the NAS that composite. You can see that 5.2. I look at that though. That's going to be a contraction. That says quite a bit. When you're watching this market folks, you definitely want to keep your eye on the NDX as well as the composite. Because you can see that's a contraction of volume. And if we take a look at this composite for a second, what you're going to see is that the bottom of that gap is 11,751. That's a couple hundred points higher than we are right at this particular point. And I expect that you're going to go there. We had a question earlier. This is a great question too by the way about, okay oops, wrong one. Thank you. I was going to go over this one. And what the question was is that it didn't seem like there was three gaps down. When you take a look at the market what you're going to see is that there were three gaps down. The difference is that you popped higher and then you I'll just show you. So you had the first gap here. That was established, what's that date there? Can you see it? That was at the very bottom. That's June 9th. And then the second one was on June 10th. And then what you did, you popped up and the third one was on the 15th. That's how that works. That's how basically you see that a lot. And when you do get three gaps, I was talking to the audience a little bit earlier, best fit. Normally the way that the gaps go that's where the trend is. And then what ends up happening is that likes to go back up, fill them, and then go right back downtown. I'll go right back to where the first gaps were. Let's go to Keith and see the rapid. Hey Keith, what's going on? Hey Tommy, are you talking about filling that gap all the way to 107? On. On the BYM? BYM? The Victor Yellow Mary. BlackRock Municipal Income, is that what you're saying? No, sorry. It's Vanguard High Dividend Yield. Okay, BYM. Let's see. Okay, I see what you're looking at. That's interesting. Yeah, you're at 103. So let's just see what this is. Are you in this, Keith? Yeah. Yeah, I am. And I was kind of holding on for that bounce, and I was thinking maybe 104, 105. Making an exit. But then I was listening to your gap analysis. Yeah, right. So this is how you should play this, right? Yeah, I think you might have a shot at getting it, man. And you've got to get out as fast as you can. Right. Because this wants to go a lot lower. But because what happens, yeah, the 108 is the game, man. I mean, what I would do every day on something like this, you know, you basically take a look at where it is this morning, like right now.  And then you can put your stop under there and just, you know, every day that's what I would do. Because what has happened is this, folks, okay? Let me just VY, let me just, I want to see what part of the bond market this is in. High income. That's the wrong go. It's the dividend, equity dividend. Yeah. That what has taken place, however, I just wanted to see, okay. Yeah, high dividend yield, man. You got to get out of the stock. Okay, so this is the reason, right? So watch this. Let me pull this up here for a second.  Oh, this is interesting. These are good stocks. Oh, this is, so this is, okay, so what's always intriguing is this. This may be high yield, but I can guarantee you that, you know, these equities in here, Johnson Johnson, Exxon, JP Morgan, Proctor Gamble, Chevron, they're not paying high yield, man. So I don't quite understand what, no, I understand it because they miss mark ETFs all the time. So, yeah, I would wait till that gets there. So what I was going to say, Keith, is this, what has happened, folks, that no one has heard about really it's not hitting the news, is that the high yield bond market is frozen. It's frozen. This is the first time since 2010 they haven't pushed out a deal all week, you know. But Keith, what I specifically saying, you know, I know that's marked high yields, but, you know, those companies don't they, they're not high yield, they're not paying high yields, man. So I'm like, there's a disconnect. But it's good. Thank God that equity, those equities are in that fund because you know, it's locked. The market's locked, man. And, you know, when markets lock like that, what ends up happening is going forward, is that companies that have been in the high yield market, meaning much smaller companies than the Home Depots and JP Morgan's, they have to turn it over. When they turn it over, when it's locked, that's when defaults come into play, you know, because it's just like it'll be like someone refinancing and then they can't refinance because the market is locked, meaning that the folks that buy this high yield and high yield, I suspect that high yield there is probably, you know, five or six percent they're saying, whatever. High, real high yield is 12 to 14 percent, you know. But yeah, I think you're, you know, in pretty good shape here that you know, there's going to be enough happiness, let's put it that way. I think when it's a July 4th they'll be able to get out of that position, man. And I would get out of it. I hear you. I appreciate that. Any chance I can ask you one more? Oh yeah. W.P. Kerry. W.P.C. W.P.C. Okay, let's take a look at this. Okay, operates a global net least week. Okay. Let's see, diversified. Let's see what they have. Okay, so the company owns more than 1,000 properties, U.S. and Europe manages properties, leases them back to sell occupants. Oh, this is kind of cool. Okay, so this is a wreath, folks, okay, but this is what they do. The wreath buys the property and leases it back to large companies. Now what happens, folks, this is really cool because accounting wise, right, what happens a public company, folks, this is, public companies love doing this because on their books what ends up happening is that the when you own a property your balance sheet looks much weaker than It actually is. Yes, but it doesn't always the folks that are buying their equity care about is that what's the balance sheet look like. So when you look at this, Keith, yeah, stay right here, man. This is a different type of wreath.  They buy the building, we do the lease back, they get a lot of cash going forward. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, cooking brother. Have a great one, man, have a safe one. Stay right there, folks. Best of the night, coming right back, it's going to rain, everyone's going to be happy. It's a beautiful thing, ready for good weekends. That's right. That's right. Sharpening your skills as an investor is like getting better at playing a musical instrument. 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Up and up. You've got the Dow investors right now up $7.91. NASDAQ is up $3.47. S&P is up $110. We have some taggers talking about the so Larry Pezzavento has his monetary guys on. These are important turns, folks. The next turn, when Norm Winsky was on, folks, just to give you guys a heads up, was the 27th of June. There's a 24th. 27th, 28th. That's how this is shaken out. Thanks, Ray, for putting that in the Tiger's Den. Appreciate it. What happens there is that people trade on this. What's going to be intriguing is that there's nothing that I'm also going to be watching, meaning what's happening that day as that market is heading into higher price. Because that's where it looks like we're going to be basically laying out here. People trade based on where the planets are? On big moves like this, it's very unusual that when you have five planets in the moon in the sky simultaneously. It's a confluence. And what ends up happening when these planets are too close to each other, you get big moves, man. We know the move and the aspect of the tides just with the moon. We don't know the full implications of the planets, but the bottom line is that I've looked at it long enough that there are turns. And when there's that many together, which is very hard to do, they do them. How do you know which turn is going to go up or down? You don't. The way it works is that if you're going up into it, you're probably going to go down. If you go down into it, you're going to go up. Isn't that wild? You ready for that? You want some hocus pocus? Should we get a Ouija board, man? I'm only kidding, folks, because that planetary setup is important to look at. Listen, we you know, I say the best of yesterday, we're only particles put together. We should be able to go right through you. We're particles, man. 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