Hello everybody, welcome to today's live stream What we want to do is we wanted to catch everybody up as far as the basics of Bitcoin and digital asset or crypto taxes and help me do that I've got my friend David Kemmerer co-founder and CEO of coin ledger David. Welcome back to the show Thanks for having me back Always down to walk through, you know the annoying part of taxes on crypto. Yeah, everybody's everybody loves it But it's it's not that people despise taxes. It's just that people sometimes we don't understand taxes So it gives us a little bit of a fright But today we're going to run through it and just to kind of give everybody like a basic information So we had a great show last week as a matter of fact and It was a universally liked this was me you and jordan from from bass law taxing taxing crypto And we went over some pretty advanced stuff I linked that in the description so everybody can can watch that video But one of the big complaints about this one was it was kind of over some people's heads So I said, can you guys break it down and talk about the basics if you are Looking for the basics, of course You know over a coin ledger if you go to their site links in the description click on learn Under crypto tax guides You can see that of course if you're in the u.s. You of course look on the u.s But that's this for everywhere. This is australia, dubai, canada, uk new zealand Sweden it's not just I mean taxes and what coin ledger can do isn't just for american citizens It's for everybody if you definitely want to organize everything. This is the way to go So David do me a favor. Let me let's click on what is click on us for now because i'm biased and I live here But just take us through like some of the basics of like when do we get taxed? What is this? Of course, when do we have to pay it and uh, when are we not taxed in crypto and digital assets? Yeah, I think it's helpful to walk through the basics. Um, as you mentioned I think the government likes to make things complicated, but it really doesn't have to be that complicated So I'll go just from the simplest perspective and feel free to ask questions as I go But crypto currencies bitcoin ethereum, etc Are treated as property a form of property by the ios and this has been the case now for A decade And what that means is similar to other forms of property like stocks Real estate you incur what's known as capital gains and capital losses when you dispose of property Right. It's like an investment. So the simple example is With bitcoin just like with apple stock if you were to buy a hundred dollars of apple stock And then later dispose of it when it's worth two hundred dollars or two hundred and fifty dollars That delta the difference between what you bought it for and what you sold it for Is capital gains income because you're disposing of property And the same works for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, right if you buy bitcoin for a thousand dollars and you sell it for five thousand Or dispose of it in any way You'll incur that delta that four thousand dollars of capital gains And that's a form of taxable income that you'll report on your taxes So that's the very start and we can dive into a little bit more along the lines of How much taxes am I going to pay when do I not owe taxes Are there other ways that I can owe taxes even if I'm not trading buying selling crypto? so Choose your adventure. Which do you think is the best to dive in from there? Choose your adventure. Okay, I'll bite so like talk to us Talk to us about like if you're not selling if you're not selling your crypto When do you have any taxable events? Because I always thought it was just like you got to sell it to get taxed Right common common Misconception and people will even say if I didn't cash out crypto I don't know any taxes and that's not true If you disposed of your crypto whether you traded it from one cryptocurrency to another Whether you used it to buy goods or services or whether you sold it for fiat Those are all disposals that you're disposing of the asset and thus you're triggering A taxable event and triggering a capital gain or loss, but let's say you did none of that What are other ways that you can trigger taxable activity? Well, let's say you're you're earning crypto in Any ordinary way like you're staking it or you got paid in crypto from jobs or goods or services that you provided the marketplace That is what's known as ordinary income not capital gains income and ordinary income is just that's normal income It's it's the same as income from your job, right? It's if you earn Some amount of value here you go um With crypto let's say you're staking and I get one ether Staking I'm going to incur ordinary income for the fair market value of that ethereum when it hit my wallet Okay, and so that's how staking works same with mining same with if I were to earn crypto from a job Right. I am earning ordinary income at the fair market value of the crypto when I gain possession over it Okay, got it and then there was one thing to note which I know people will look at this I know some people Will say, okay. Well, I made like some of you The the degenerates out there have made a boatload of money and let's say that they were married filing jointly And they made a million dollars in gains, right? Not just what they spent but you know their gains and their airdrops and all the different Staking rewards and whatever else a million dollars.  That means that For the full million I'm going to get taxed at 37 percent But that's not how it works. I mean we have to do It's we look at the taxable income. It's a progressive tax the waterfalls Yep, and keep in mind This takes yep, this takes into account all of your income not just your crypto income So what you do, you know when you're filing your taxes, right? Is you pull all your income sources. So crypto is going to be one of those sources Maybe you have w2 income from a job Maybe you have some business income and you got like a k1 Anyways, you take all of your income and you package it all up and let's say it does equal a million dollars And some amount of that was from crypto as you mentioned You're not just taxed at 37 percent On all that income your income waterfalls through so the first $22,000 of income for the year is taxed at 10 percent the next call it 60,000 is taxed at 12 percent then the next 100,000 from there gets taxed at 22 percent right and you keep ascending the tax brackets until Everything over that 693,000 yes is going to be taxed at that 37 percent But it's not that all of the income gets taxed at 37 percent Yeah, uh, yeah, which is which is nice because you're I mean you're like oh, I made so much money It's all gonna be taxed. But yeah, you're right So progressive as you say waterfall. I do like that. That's a good one and then uh, there was a There was this piece I wanted to share with everybody Which was this was this actually came up yesterday and I thought it was much lower, but apparently I was wrong So there's this thing called in the US and of course everybody's different, right? If you're in lucky germans, you guys just have to wait a year and it doesn't get taxed at all but Ni ni it the net investment income tax This was this was effective January 1st 2013 as taxable It's for individual taxpayers are liable for a 3.8 percent net investment income tax And the threshold is this Again married filing jointly 250 000. So if anything below that you don't get taxed The 3.8 percent married filing separately 125 000. So if you make over that In your gains are also and also your revenue and also your income you get taxed another 3.8 percent single ahead of Hell so 200 qualifying whatever 250 000 net investment income includes but is not limited to capital gains So that's a bummer of a deal you're gonna get on top of the Let's see if I can find it If you're lucky enough to hold for a year which most of us have let's be honest Your long-term capital gains are zero percent depending on these brackets You know if you're married, but filing jointly it's up to 89 000. You're not paying anything zero zero Filing separately 44 59 15 percent is up to like half a million on some of these brackets And then 20 percent is also 553 000 or whatever else it is So on top of that 15 or 20 percent you have to also pay 3.8 percent On this n i i t and also And this is what another sticking point was I've forgotten about this 0.9 additional Medicare tax This is in 2013 applies the individual wages compensation self-employment income But it does not apply to income items included in net investment income So at least we're safe on that but wait lastly Me and David. Well, I live in Puerto Rico and David lives in in Austin, Texas, which is a great state And why is it great? The people are awesome the food is fantastic and also for state capital gains You're not in cruddy, California playing an additional 13 percent Or new york at 10 new jersey at 10.75 and down the road texas and florida for Capital gains are zero point zero So David anything you want to add on that one because it was just a sticking point I had to bring it up because I was wrong yesterday Well, I'm glad that I live in Texas and I'm not exposed to state income tax But not everyone is as lucky, but you have even better over Puerto Rico You know you federally don't have to pay as much. This is true. I don't Very low. I don't have to pay any cap gains except for what I brought with me in 2021 That's going to get taxed regardless Yeah, that's significant Well, hopefully it's helpful to just walk through some of the basics That advanced video is is good and there's more resources, but uh, I appreciate, you know, you have me back on Yeah, yeah, yeah before you take off. Let's get to the q&a and then we'll then we'll get you out of here out of your out of your Your sauna called this here So David if anybody's asking David works at a nice little place called we work So he gets to come in there and use a sound booth That's why people like is David in a in an infrared room. No let's see How about this one? This was the first question. Hey, Rob. Can you ask how does a different wallet and exchanges report to the IRA? That's a good question. I don't know if do they all report or is it Just some don't most most Don't report very extensively today now as we have covered in the past that is going to change But right now Predominantly only 1099 mists are reported which is just reporting any Staking income or interest income over 600 dollars that gets reported on a 1099 for most exchanges here in the u.s But no capital gains none of that activity which is traditionally reported through a 1099 b Or what will become a 1099 d a digital asset? That is not getting reported to the irs today now that does not mean you don't owe taxes on that income It's just There isn't you know a 1099 being sent to you that income is still taxable Yeah, and there was so Who's i'm so big on this is because remember on last video that we did we talked about a gentleman who was in texas and inflated his cost basis And held out some different but it was a lot of money that he skimmed off the top and he got he's looking at between It's five years for every fraudulent count and three years for some kind of additional In fraction that he did and that's jail time So like but he had done this in 2017 and 2018 and 2019 so it caught up with him just this year So that's why i'm like i want my subscribe the people that watch me to be you know forearmed before they go into it How about this one and this is another one we always talk about this but celsius and voyage or an ftx Like i crapped on my celsius Uh, can turbo tax suffice. I don't think turbo tax can do anything for i mean Well, it's not true if you have like a couple of transactions, i'm sure turbo tax is just fine, but coin ledger if you If when you do your taxes it actually can export right to turbo tax I know it's situation specific i'm not going to ponzi route But i want to be able to claim the law since even if it takes years we think we talked about this last time Dave remember this question Yep. Yeah, the last video we had covers it. We actually just came out with a new help guide talking about celsius bankruptcy losses if you go to our help center And that discusses this in detail you can report those losses in coin ledger now It's dependent on many things, right? So i don't want to get into every single edge on on this call But at a high level if you've received disbursement back, you know You've gotten some amount of assets back from celsius. Maybe your bankruptcy claim is completely Done now you can realize that loss and i would recommend you read our help center guide But you can claim those losses Hey, do me a favor. Let's go real quick Is this on the blog posts or where can i find this if you go to help Uh, if you just search on google help coin ledger That will get you to our help center. There you go It's not a different domain and then if you search celsius Oh, I see Yeah, here it is There you go What i'll do everybody's let me i'm gonna copy this in case you have questions Let's just put it here celsius guide So now you don't have to search for it Okay Looks good Um, how about this one a couple more? How do you tax ordinals? I don't Well, it's I mean if you sell it they they should be in there Exactly the same same way of other nfts In that if you bought an ordinal and it went up in value and then you subsequently sold it You're going to realize a capital gain based on how much you made off of buying and then selling it This is likewise if you lost money on it you bought it went down and you sold it or traded it Then you will realize that capital loss and that will reduce your taxable income So now coin ledger does not automatically import ordinals yet. That's pretty New stuff Some some new stuff. So we're we're looking into our blockchain engineering team is but you can still Manually import it if you want and we're working on auto importing all of that Yeah, that's good. How about this one? um Our wallet transactions on decentralized exchanges tracked And this would be for I guess I'd be this would be a two parter Is is it tracked by the taxation government and is it tracked by coin ledger? It's one tracked by coin ledger. Yes, we have no problem importing all of that activity Just add your paste in your public wall address and we'll pull in and categorize all those transactions with the dexes that you use Now keep in mind if a private company like us has the ability to build that technology There's other companies that contract with the governments to help them do just that chain analysis trm right and so Are they tracked? It depends what you mean by that like is every is the government getting a feed of your personal transactions on uniswap? No, but if they want to investigate you or anyone else There are a lot of tools at their disposal that they can use to do exactly that And so that's how I would answer that question That makes sense and then also I just put in there's also a video that david put out a while ago But it is relevant and he talks about just how easy it is to go through the process Of getting things done as far as on coin ledger. I also did a video myself and uh I mean davids is a little bit more spot on very nice and how easy it is to go through those things But I link that also there to make you make it as simple as possible And I want you guys to feel flustered when you do this stuff. So So, yeah How about this one? I can't add vchain in the coin ledger.  How do we What's the resolution here? vchain i'm not super familiar with how that asset is built Do we know if it's an erc 20 token or not? It must not be if she's saying it doesn't import But if it is its own standalone blockchain, we may not have an integration for that at this time You know coin ledger right now supports over 500 different blockchains wallets and exchanges If vchain is not one of those I apologize It's likely just due to we haven't seen enough demand for it So what I recommend to folks who want us to integrate with their specific Chain that they use is to go into coin ledger and there's a request Um feature request tab and we kind of map all the future requests and people can vote on what they want to see But as you can imagine, we you know supporting hundreds of thousands of users there's infinite amount of integrations that people want so always working to Prioritize what's most needed and it's going to help most people But um, you can always get things in manually if you need to with a spreadsheet So that's what I would recommend. I know that's not ideal, but uh, Yeah Well, I mean not only that but to get our member So when we talk about this like if there's if you're moving because we really care about Not for your portfolio. We really care about is when am I getting taxed? I'm getting taxed when I buy for good services and I sell And usually what you will usually do with vchain Even if you have it on on your specific vchain wallet If you need to cash out you want to cash out or if you never what if you say I'm never cashed out Then we don't this the discussion ends here But if you want to say I need to cash out and take some profits and put that into another currency or put that into another Or sell it for fiat It'll probably go into exchange as long as you have an integration with the exchange itself It will take that That cost analysis and we'll say okay, you bought vchain for point zero two You sold it for point One oh or whatever it is and this is your capital gains from this time frame from when you went from exchange to exchange Even if you what there was an intermediary of a vchain wallet, so it should be okay I had the same problem we first started three years ago with cardano And of course you guys integrated cardano, but I still didn't need it because everything went through coinbase anyhow All right, exactly. That's a great point is if we have your buys and sells We can still quite a lot you can still do your taxes even if you don't have You know one of those transfers where maybe you are self-custiding in for a period of time Yeah, which is fine. How about this one? How do you avoid taxes? Don't sell your bitcoin? What do you think they just don't sell just just don't sell I think I think it's a good strategy. It's the strategy that I follow It's not a bad strategy actually Other ways to avoid taxes, you know IRAs are a good tool. You're deferring the tax um Using loss positions So if you have lost if you're holding on to bags that are in loss positions And you're not too thrilled about those assets can can often make sense to harvest those losses a k sell or trade those cryptos So that you realize the loss and that's going to reduce against any gains or other forms of income That's another really good strategy that coin ledger can help with Um There's a whole bunch more we have a lot of content on how to avoid taxes Just search our our blog. We'll have that Yeah, how about this one? I live I live in another country and I'm using a similar platform for my crypto tax The program can deliver directly to the tax man if I wished you Can your site do the same love of the portfolio tracker? Do you I don't know if I don't think you guys deliver straight to the irs or to I mean that would be in in the united states But you guys don't integrate directly to like the governmental offices No, no, no, but depending on this country, what do you know what country that is? Depends. I can't see and no in the question. Oh, you can't see it. Um But to your point correct coin ledger auto generates your irs tax forms that you need But it's still either up to you to give those to your accountant If that's how they're actually filing your taxes or if you use turbo tax or hr block you'll import our forms into those And so it's not like we're when you finish coin ledger. We're just sending things to the irs right now For these other countries. We also don't do that. Yeah Yeah, right lucky concept. Uh for him it might work out pretty well, but like for me and maybe some other people Maybe we don't want to send it to the Government first. Maybe we want someone to double check Like like my cpa. She always tells me she's like Okay, I'm missing some information. You know, you have more deductions. Where do they go? Okay, let me switch for those. Okay now this part right here I have a question about this and she kind of goes through it to kind of keep me out of hot water But also to maximize or minimize my tax life to spend but again Everybody's different and go from there. Seth says I dropped my taxes off of the account's office yesterday. They They didn't seem happy about my missing cost basis. I guess there's to be a question like what do you do in this situation? Well I would recommend working to solve those missing cost basis transactions um We staff like a 24 7 support team during tax season and they're really really good at helping Our customers figure out what sources of missing data What could be the cause of you missing cost basis now? It's always something is wrong with the data you you've imported.  There can there's a lot of reasons why There can be little problems depending on the platforms you use And our support team Helps thousands thousands of people every year. So I would recommend you reach out to us and we'll take a look at your account and try to Help you solve Where is this missing data stemming from? Yeah, and that's like That would be this this this one point because there was an there was an issue with uh with my portfolio Because if you guys don't know there is a portfolio tracker and it's free You go to coin ledger at the very top And just click on portfolio tracker you can sign up And it gives you like a cost basis now. This isn't mine This is just a dummy account that david was nice enough to set up for me so I could show this to everybody But like let's say for instance like you didn't you're like, okay 1.7 bitcoin Like okay, I don't have 1.7 bitcoin. How is this and you can kind of you can go to the asset balance sheet And you can figure out like okay. It says here's the inflows and outflows And there's something missing Okay, well, how then I have to fix this and and one of the ways that That david talked about he goes just go to the import And if there's something that's just not driving first of all it might be an issue with an api integration So just wherever it was from on that situation. It was coinbase Just delete it Reintegrate and go from there and then if it's really wacky then reach out the customer support But I like to take a look at the portfolio first and go from there and then for cost basis If you're thinking yourself. Well, you know, like there's some things that are kind of above my head if you like the The question about you know, they're not very happy with the cost basis if you go to coin ledger scroll all the way down And the very bottom right hand corner says find a crypto tax expert if you're not familiar in your area You can hire any of these guys and talk to them.  So that's what I I've recommended it across time anything and Dave anything about that one No, no, I I concur with all of that And always, you know, our team is down to help. So reach out to us. Cool. How about this one? Say I haven't filed taxes since 2020 Which is no big deal. We've all been there, right? And I've made several hundred transactions across 10 plus platforms sounds like my kind of trader Where would a good place to start be? First of all, does he even do you have to do anything special if you haven't filed for like 10 years?  I would recommend Getting all of those 10 platforms that you've imported into coin ledger coin ledger will sort through all of that data And we'll show you what were your capital gains losses and income for each year since 2020 And you can look at that data. You don't have to do anything with it You don't even have to buy it from us, but you'll see it at least and you know get squared and see What your exposure may or may not be because keep in mind if you lost money Technically, you don't have a tax bill. Exactly. That's true. But now But if you do have significant income and you do want to square up with irs, you would simply amend your old tax return, right and there's Tax accountants that could help you do that or you could do it yourself We have blog content on coin ledger talking about how to amend the prior year's tax return And you'd essentially use the forms that coin ledger generates for any of those years 2020 2021 2022 And use that to amend your old tax return. Now, you may have to pay Some additional taxes that were left out on 2020 year 2021, right? But That's would be how I would recommend going about it. Um, in this type of situation Yeah, and usually like like everybody on this channel knows I was audited in 2000 Gosh, when was it 2013 or 14 somewhere around there? And they just brought me in like, hey, this doesn't this doesn't make sense to us So you have to walk us through it So I had to go into the irs office I had to bring with all my receipts and go through everything It took a week and at the end of the day or the end of the week They said, okay, you owe us and their $4,000. I'm like all that for 4,000 bucks.  They just want a little bit of money And I know there's a there's a big thing on up on the hill Where somebody like senator Elizabeth Warren will say like hey these these irs or these Crypto cheats are are getting away from the capital gains.  It wasn't me So we'll see how it goes from here. But I just I look at these. I'm like, it's not as bad as I think people think All right One more for jat. He says if staking hasn't hit the wallet But accumulation in the staking platform itself So let's say you're on d news with a chrono staking pool and you just let it accumulate and accumulate in your wallet What point does it trigger a taxable event? I think this one was a very tricky one It just depends on your cpa and your ideal It's just a little bit of a great area and the test is do you have what's known in the tax world is Dominion or and control over the asset meaning do you as it's incurring to your staking platform at that moment have the ability to move it if you wanted to right sometimes They're locked up and you can't But if you do have that ability it can be argued that even as it accumulates in that staking account You are incurring income but This is a great area right some people right if if there is a mechanism to cash it out from the staking account That can also at times be what's triggering the taxable event So I can't speak in a one size fits all Answer to this question But it has to do with when do you actually have ownership or dominion and control and can you move and freely Take those assets. That's technically when you've had an ascension of wealth And that's when the taxable activity or event would happen Yeah, and that's why that's one like these guys come in to kind of just say okay On this situation do this and this situation do that and then they can refer to them And then of course like if something happens with you know your government or your you know, wherever you're at You can refer to them and say this you know, these guys help me out and you know, we can go from there Uh a couple last ones. I like this question. How long can I go without filing a tax return to us before there's a knock on my door? Exactly three years and four days There is no answer to that question If there was, you know, maybe we'd have a lot less tax compliance, but I think that's Part of the problem is you never know you're just running a risk and so if you're If you want to run that risk, you know, I can't stop you But you're incurring some amount of risk by not paying your taxes You are how about this one? How do I manually input usdc given to me in a long-term loss? Sorry on a platform not supported by your site How this work out manually or just wallets? Yeah, so advice on how to manually input usdc given to me on a long-term loss I don't follow what you mean a long-term loss. Does it does it mean Maybe this is I'm just gonna guess. Maybe this is like They had bitcoin. Maybe this is in a in an ftx not an ftx less Celsius for voyeur situation Where they had to swap things over and I give them usdc or something because usually you don't have a long-term loss on a stable coin Right, exactly. That's right. So if it is tied to one of these bankruptcy cases the I would recommend you watch our prior video with jordan because we talked a lot about this but In a simple form if if you had bitcoin or some of that and then you got usdc back That is a taxable that and that can be written off on your taxes because you incurred likely a loss How to get that into coin ledger? You could manually import it essentially saying hey, I bought one bitcoin for xyz and I got back to this much of usdc for it Our guides on the Celsius one that we linked in this video as well as our guide on voyeur We'll walk through the mechanics of that if it is tied to one of these bankruptcies But you can mainly get that into coin ledger, even if we don't get support it Automatically Gotcha. How about this one? I'm also curious about transaction fees. Is that included in coin ledger? I forget Yep. Yeah, so transaction fees will either add to your cost basis Or reduce from your proceeds depending on the transaction itself Which in either way is going to reduce your tax liability.  So let's see. How about this one? Uh, talk about First and first out last and first out Can you change during selling and you did you did a pretty good example of this in the last video if you just run through that real quick Yeah, so sandy is referring to inventory costing methods and it's essentially The the algorithm that coin ledger and any accountant would manually manually do to determine Which asset and which tax lot you're selling so a quick example Let's say I've bought bitcoin three times in my life I bought one at 10,000 I bought the second at 20,000 and about the third at 30,000 dollars Let's say then I go sell one. Well, which of those three am I actually selling off? Right because you need to know that to determine your capital gain or loss And so if we're using fifo first in first out throw back to accounting 100 classes You're going to sell off the first bitcoin that you acquired which in the example I just gave was 10,000 dollars if you sold a 50k, that's a 40,000 capital gain you incurred But if you're using life out last in first out, I would sell off the third bitcoin I acquired Which I said I acquired it for 30,000 dollars in my capital gain in that case would only be 20,000 dollars, right? so You know, you can determine the costing method that you want to use in coin ledger I would recommend keeping that consistent year to year because you don't want to double dip on which tax lot the algorithm is pulling from In a period of rising prices Fifo is going to lead to a higher taxable outcome in a period of declining prices fifo would lead to a lower tax bill so research it discuss with your tax professional which Method you want to use but then I would recommend sticking to a specific one Gotcha. How about this one? Are you responsible for the previous year's crypto income tax if you never filed or can you just blame somebody else? You are scot-free you don't have to know. Yes, you are responsible for your income in all years Not just crypto all income earned in the u.s. Is subject to tax and you're responsible for paying taxes on that Exactly. How about this one? I got four different centralized exchanges Can coin ledger calculate my total cost average across all I think I'll let me take this one So if we're looking at your portfolio tracker, I mean just in the portfolio tracker You can I mean for this one it'll tell you the cost basis. It's multiple different exchanges I think you guys used a kraken coin base and one other one And it can tell you the cost basis. I think if you David if you drill in can't you get a yeah It actually is just right over there So that it'll say your total cost basis and then the per coin cost basis, which is just the average across all of your holdings Man, I wish this was real. Yes, 13th. I mean wish it was mine 13,000 for Vic. I'd be sweet All right, and I think let's see let me get Thank you hearts Thank you And that's it Uh, and that's it David look this was great I appreciate the the the very simplicity that we have but everybody Again, if you're looking for something to help you with taxes something to help you to you know get through this This rut there's a link in the description again The portfolio tracker is free the cost for the program itself is actually quite inexpensive I mean if you're talking about like time Look at this real quick. I could just get to it There pricing So first setup is free You just want to just look at your transactions or visions and all that stuff. That's great If you're a hobbyist like some up as far as like transactions up to 150 bucks Investor up to a thousand if you're like most of us you mentioned djens 200 bucks, but it's like unlimited Transaction 3000 plus so that's pretty reasonable for me, especially for peace of mind, but that's it for today So David, thanks again for stopping by man. We appreciate everybody links in the description And uh on your way out like and subscribe and we'll see you on the next one All right, everybody adios


Fox News host Dan Bonguino was incredibly insulted that Bernie Sanders had the audacity to insult King Donald Trump Bernie Sanders tweeted this about the president. Donald Trump believes climate change is a hoax.  This is almost a perfect rectangle here Every time I think of that tweet I Laughed so hard and the first time I saw that like my stomach hurt.  I Can't unsee the Nintendo GameCube in particular, but I also see brave little toaster This is too much Sanders tweet of recent note. He says simply and we're talking about the climate change issue Which is popular amongst these candidates saying Donald Trump believes climate change is a hoax.     Here is what you're talking about Senator give me a number medic here for all an approximate number. How much would it cost?   He wants again. You understand. He can't do basic math Griff he believes in the money fairy. He got money. No, we could find money anywhere Oh money money here money there. It's never his money Griff the guy owns both. What is it two or three houses? Is it two or three now?   He doesn't work. He's him. He's a million. I'm a millionaire this guy You notice he stopped railing against millionaires and billionaires. He only rails against billionaires now You know why because he's a millionaire.   You don't pay extra.  He says 30 to 40 trillion dollars over 10 years. The current federal budget is roughly 4.7 trillion so that means he's gonna double the size of the federal budget each year to pay for Medicare for all It's it's lunacy yet. He thinks there's a money fairy out there He thinks like that like the tooth fairy that they come in the middle of the night They just drop money on people's pillow to pay their taxes. This guy is a total phony He is the biggest fake I have ever seen a policy and I can't believe that people are getting suckered by this guy every day He flies for remember that story about his private travel during a lot.  Yes, my favorite day. I love this one If you're into the money fairy, we'll send her your way So notice how he didn't address the issue of climate change even a single time and I actually found that Like legitimately cringe-worthy because it was evident that he was scrambling like he Just wanted to throw whatever he had at Bernie in hopes that it would stick So he was scrambling to think of all of these right-wing talking points, you know, he's a socialist He has three houses. Uh, he is a millionaire. I mean, is that really how you respond? That's all you have. I mean really at this point We've heard all of these same talking points and it's not working the only one that he forgot Which I was surprised.  This guy wants to spend 30 trillion dollars over the next 10 years and he says this about Medicare for all Now unfortunately for Dan Bongino, even right-wing Coke-funded studies show that overall health spending Goes down. Why? Because our healthcare system is incredibly inefficient The Coke-funded Mercatus Center study found that the American people will save two trillion dollars if we move to Medicare for all So he thinks that he is brilliant in saying, oh well Bernie Sanders healthcare plan is gonna cost 30 to 40 trillion dollars But he doesn't know anything about this subject or at least that's the impression that I got I'm assuming he doesn't know anything because of course if you're moving to a federal single-pair type system Federal spending increases. That's the whole point but that's offset by State and local spending going down simultaneously and at the individual level, you know We will be saving money. Most Americans will be saving money Because even if we're gonna be paying more in taxes, we're not gonna pay our monthly health insurance premiums and copays and deductibles now What's funny is that they had that clip already queued up of Bernie Sanders saying how much Medicare for all would cost It's almost like Dan Bonguino was instructed to use that line of attack But I mean what a weak line of attack Medicare for all is incredibly popular and some polls show that a majority of Republicans Supported so you have to come up with something better than that But he didn't because we saw what else he said he says Bernie Sanders never had a real job outside of politics his entire life Because he's been in politics his entire life. He's a US senator. So you're honestly gonna say that Personally, he's never accomplished anything. What did Donald Trump do? You're an ardent Donald Trump supporter Donald Trump was born into wealth and He had to have his daddy pump thousands upon thousands of dollars into his businesses including into casinos He was that big of a failure. So coming from a Donald Trump supporter It doesn't really seem like you care about personal accomplishments of politicians. He also says the guy owns two or three houses Okay He says he's a millionaire Okay, but he wants to raise his own taxes. That's kind of that's that's key He also repeated multiple times. He's a fraud. He's a phony.  He lies every two seconds. So how can you with a straight face? Say that these things about Bernie Sanders are bad But still support Donald Trump if these things were true about Bernie Sanders They're not then shouldn't you want to support Bernie Sanders because you seem drawn to frauds and phonies and fakes. I Mean the man is a joke and I understand that it's very difficult for him to think critically Because I mean what brain can function in a head shaped like that like his skull is a cube That's not normal So I understand that it may be difficult for him to use all of the cognitive functions that the average human brain may offer When you are the brave little toaster, but that doesn't mean we're gonna give you a pass when you go on Fox news and start spouting off Bullshit So, um, I don't know what else to say.


CES 2015 featured some jaw-dropping innovations, like self-driving cars and 8k televisions, but some of the bigger innovations came in small packages, like headphones. Hi, I'm work for a cruising sheet and we have two headphones here. We have our regular sleep phones, which is a fleece fabric, and it has speakers embedded in the sides. And then we have a rent phone, which is more of a moisture wicking, with the same basic idea of a headband with speakers inside.  Acoustic Sheep was a CES honoree for their Bluetooth sleep phones, which can power up through induction charging. Another set of headphones with a twist, the free wave sport fitness headphones combine wireless sound with the fitness wearable. I have a wireless full-suck symmetry. It's a fancy way of saying that we can check the quality of your fitness, your oxygen level, and your blood flow level, your heart rate wirelessly. Notice that these independent devices have no wire. You get true stereo with no band in between. Here at CES, we saw all kinds of audio devices, from portable speakers to 3D sound to simple headphones CES 2015 had it all. Reporting from Las Vegas, I'm Rachel McCuffin.


David Hayes Bautista, professor of medicine, director of the Center for the Study of Latino Health and Culture at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. I have written two books that are a little bit unusual for what I've been doing in the past, one having to do with the history of the Cinco de Mayo in California, and the other being a sort of a photography book of Latinos in the Gold Rush and Civil War here in California. Now both of these books are different from what I have done. They have a number of images, and the crew at the library were really helpful to me and to my staff in helping us just chart our way through these waters that we're really that unfamiliar with. For example, the one book on Cinco de Mayo is being published by a university press. I got the contract from the university press, and there were some areas I wasn't really clear on. I wanted a number of images to be utilized in this book, but I wanted to use these images in presentations and in perhaps future articles, and it wasn't clear exactly what I would be getting myself into in terms of rights to use these images and other works. So I, remembering having gone to a couple of the presentations at the library, called the people at the library and asked for some help, and I got it. They were kind enough to review the contract, and they were kind enough to point out some language that might be presenting a problem for me. I got back in contact with the publisher, and they were very good about changing it, so it was nice to have that backup. Otherwise I may have had to hire a private attorney, I'm not quite sure, but it was nice to have this backup here on campus. The other book that is a book of images and photography of Latinos in the Gold Rush and Civil War, I was working with a commercial publisher at that time, and this is my first attempt to work with a commercial publisher, and the relationship was not going well. I had signed a contract with this commercial publisher. I contacted again my friends at the library, I explained my problem, that I had signed a contract, but the publisher had changed, and not in writing, but had changed the terms of the contract, making it difficult for me to fulfill my end, and would it be possible to think of ending the contract and finding a different publisher? And the folks at the library looked things over, actually contacted the commercial publisher, we had some rounds of discussions, and we all came to the conclusion that maybe we would all be happy or not going further with this contract, so it was ended, and I was able to find a different publisher and to have a much happier working relationship. Both of these could have been rather messy situations had I not had the resources at the library to help guide me through the legal and technicalities of the issues, particularly for types of publications that are somewhat unusual for me, very heavy with images, and they're coming to a very happy resolution, and I'll have to say I couldn't be happier. I would highly recommend if you have any questions about use of copyrighted materials, about copyright issues, about contract issues, please contact them, they always say they're ready to help, and my experience has been, they're very, very not only ready to help, they're very willing to help, and they've been a tremendous help in my work.


Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering DevNet Create 2017, brought to you by Cisco. Welcome back everyone, we're live in San Francisco for CUBE's special coverage, exclusive coverage, of Cisco Systems DevNet Create. It's an inaugural event for DevNet, a new extension to their developer program. DevNet, which is their classic developer program for the Cisco ecosystem of network guys, so on and so forth, moving packets around hardware guys. DevNet Create is about developers and DevOps and cloud-native, all the goodness of application developers. Where apps meets infrastructure, certainly with the Cisco acquisition of AppDynamics, a new world order is coming down the pike, Cisco's moving up the stack. I'm John Furrier, Peter Burris, my co-host, our next guest is Val Burcivici, CUBE alumni, and also guest analyst in our studio in Palo Alto. Also the co-founder of Pyridus AI. And now you can talk about it, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks John, you can talk about it finally. So before we get into your company, and I want to drill into it, because the first public CUBE interview, drilling down on what you're working on, what's your take on Cisco's event here? Because, I mean I've known Cisco since I moved to Silicon Valley 18 years and even before then, and they scaled off the internet, connecting networks. There's always been a discussion internally with inside Cisco about moving up the stack. And it's always been kind of like a civil war. Half the company wants to move up the stack, half doesn't.  I mean, it's infrastructure, it's hardware, it's gear, it's boxes, network packets. This is a seminal moment for Cisco. They've tried some open sources before, but this seems like an all in bet, your thoughts? It is, and I was just telling you earlier on before we went on live on stage that I think this is a Goldilocks event, right? It's my first, apparently it's the first one of its kind here at Cisco, and for me, it's not too big, it's not too small. I find it really just the right size, and I find it very well targeted in terms of the fellow speakers, panelists that I was on with today, in terms of, I see the right amount of laptops with the right amount of code, basically, amongst the attendees on the floor here. So my first impression, because that's all I have so far, is it's a very well targeted show, and it's not unique anymore. You'll notice Intel kind of pulled back from having one large event, one large annual event, and smaller, more targeted events, for developers, for operators, for other ISVs, and so forth. You're talking about the IDF Intel developer forum? IDF, yeah, it's no longer a big monolithic event. They've split it up into, you know, more curated. And IBM has also collapsed their shows into one monster show, so little micro-events seem to be the norm. Yeah, I wouldn't even call it quite even a micro-event.  It's not a dream force. It's not a convex today ourselves, so. Interesting, I like they did their homework on the panel, so in terms of subject matter, the agenda looks great, but I do agree with you. I like how principles are here. It's not just staff here. It's both people in the trenches at Cisco and the execs are here. Susie, we, and some other folks that run Cisco Live, they're all here. And there's CTO this morning. I caught the opening keynote live stream on the way over here. She did a fantastic job describing the role of the infrastructure developer, which is something that is a bit, you know, nebulous to nail down, at least it has been in the past. And I'm really glad that Cisco is echoing that, because I think it helps their entire ecosystem, their partner ecosystem, particularly, you know, former employers like NapoMind. I'm usually critical of big companies trying to put their toe in the water and with some, you know, event that looks like a little cloud washing, or, you know, here or there. But I think Cisco's got a legit opportunity with programmable infrastructure. And I think just in general, straight up they do, because their infrastructure, and Peter and I talked about that. But I think IoT is really the big driver. They can really, that's a network connection. It's at the edge. They require some intelligence. So there is their, that's a good angle for them. It's a great angle, you know, the only beef I have, the gripe I have, is they still call it IOE, I think. And you know, it's just going to be internet of everything and it's internet of nothing, right? I really wish they kind of stick to the agreed term. And, you know, what they are doing, of course, is giving specific use cases. They were, you got to give Cisco in the area. And those commercials, what, 10 years ago, you know. It's a personal it for me. The commercials are fantastic. It's just the term bothers. They just, they got dogma with IOE. Come on, get it rid of it. Okay. Tell about your company. So paired with AI, we've realized now there's a chance to go beyond traditional digital disruption of existing industries to cognitive disruption. So let me explain what I mean by that. We're seeing a lot of, you know, increasing pace of change in data centers. The conference here and all the technology spoken about here are very foreign to more traditional data center operators. And so the new environments, you know, microservice architectures, more cloud native apps and so forth, it's a pace of change that we haven't seen before. Agile business and Agile software development models can push code out realistically on a daily basis. Whereas a waterfall model and the ITIL model is the most IT service practices, practitioners practice. That's an annual or quarterly update cycle with formal change management practices. I'm more settled, you know, structure, slow. Familiar. Reliable. You know, but it's the past. And the pace of change now is creating stress within IT organizations and stress within the product support organizations of the vendors that they choose to deploy. You couple that with the increasing complexity of the environments we have here. We have a lot going on. You know, the ethos of CNCF, which is container packaged, dynamically orchestrated and microservices architected apps, cloud native apps. The abstraction layers are masking a lot of complexity there, but the complexity is still there. And you have very good availability if you're able to write the cloud native principles as a developer, but nevertheless, you still got that 0.001% to your outage and so forth.  You still got escalation engineers and support organizations that go through pretty contrived and complicated workflows to triage and diagnose problems, perhaps a case manager to assign a case or subject matter expert, get that back and forth information when the customer finally resolved the case. And this is what we term cognitive disruption. The maturity of the AI platforms now have reached the point where you can take these complicated workflows that require nuance and inference and actually apply true machine learning and deep learning to them. And if not entirely automate the resolution of these complex cases, better prepare a scarce resource and escalation engineer with lots of experience with more context up front when they encounter the case so they can close it more quickly. And this has, you know, the current- So you're targeting, so I understand this correctly, you're targeting the personnel in the data center. The supportability space. Escalation engineer, these human labor is the last mile, if you will, or whatever, first mile of it. And how you look at it. We see APM vendors in this space. We see ITSM vendors in this space. They're partners and even platforms for us. No one really is focused on supportability and automating those workflows using cognitive techniques. Give an example. So the best example I can give at you is, you know, is firsthand. I'll try and be as, you know, as generic as I can to protect the innocent. But if you take a look at it, it's not even a specifically a net app case. Okay, all right. If you look at the supply chain upstream, let's talk about electronic supply chain.  So it's not like one of these, you know, one note outage situations. It's a best case scenario in a traditional triple replication, you know. It's a bad batch basically. A bad batch. It's a lot of bad product. That can take out not just a note, it can take out a rack. It can take out multiple racks of storage gear, switching gear, you know, server hosts and so forth. In that case, again, your last line of defense is a human.  Could be a hardware problem. Could be a driver software problem. Could be an upstream OS or database problem. And it's a very stressful environment, a very stressful situation. You can take a look at prior case notes. You can take a look at machine logs and data. You can take a look at product documentation and specific, you know, bill of materials from suppliers. And you can pre-analyze a lot of that and factor that into your diagnosis. Effectively having it almost ready before the case is even open so that when the escalation engineer is assigned the case, they don't start from ground zero. They start from third base or almost rounding their way to home. And they're able to apply all the prior knowledge. You know, algorithms never sleep. All the prior knowledge in terms of all the cases that have actually been dealt with that match that to a degree, they're never perfect matches because that's just business process automation. There's a degree of inference required. And using AI techniques are able to guess that you know what, I've seen this before. It's very obscure, but it's actually going to be this resolution. So AI's technology that you're using and machine learning and data, what problem are you solving specifically? Saving them time, getting their professor resolutions. So we're improving the efficiency of support operations. There's always margin pressures, you know, within customer support operations. Fundamentally solving complex systems problems. We've reached the point now where business process automation can solve trivial support cases. Wait a minute, hold on. Expert systems supposed to do this. And they did in the past and now we're evolving beyond experts. Not really. Remember those expert systems days? Yeah, I remember Lisbon all those early days, so yeah. So this kind of sounds like a modern version of like an expert system to aid the support engineers to either have a predetermined understanding of options and time to solution. So we're able to do so much more than that, right? We're able to create what we call ontologies. We're able to categorize all the cases that you've seen in the past, find out whether this new one fits in existing category. If so, if it matches other criteria, if not defining a category, we're able to orchestrate, you know, resolution is not just a one shot deal. Resolution is diagnose the problem, find out, you know, if you have sub-chameter experts that's available to resolve the issue, assign it to them, track their progress, close the case, follow up on customer satisfaction. All those things are pretty elaborate workflows that can be highly automated today with cognitive approaches. Okay, so congratulations on launching. Thanks for spending the time to lay that out. What's next? You got some seed funding? We got some seed funding. You got some, you're in an incubator up the hive in Pellaulta, which we know quite well. You know, Rob is a great, T.M. Rob is a great friend. You guys done great, done great. How many people do you have? What are you guys looking to do? What are some of the projects? We are hiring. We're definitely looking to get more data scientists on staff, more full-stack engineers, particularly with log experience. We're still looking for a CTO and leadership team. So there's a lot of hiring coming in place. How many in there now? We have about, you know, less than 10 people working right now. So great opportunity for this classic early-stage opportunity. Yeah, early-stage opportunity. We're addressing a hot space. And what I love is, you know, I personally shifted from being a provider of cloud-native solutions in this market to being a consumer. So I'm seeing exactly how a perfect storm is coming together of machine and deep-learning algorithms running on, you know, orchestrated by Kubernetes. Both sides of the table. She talked to Mark's sister. He's been on both sides. So what's it like to be on the other side now? It's everything I actually thought it would be, you know, because at the end of the day, I always say developers are the ultimate pragmatists. So it's not so much about brand loyalty at any particular vendor is what solution, whether it's an open-source library, whether it's a commercial library, whether it's a, you know, proprietary cloud service or something in between. What solution can solve my task? What is this next task? And composite applications are a very real thing right now. So we had a question I posted into the crowd chat from the social nets. I'm going to ask you the same question. So Bert's watching, maybe you can go find that thread, but I'll add to it later. Here's the question. What challenges still remain as part of implementing DevOps in your opinion now? Do you see the landscape? And how are people addressing them? And your expert opinion, what's the answers to that question? What's your opinion? So it's a too-faceted answer, at least. The first one, it's not a cliche, it's still a cultural challenge. You know, if you actually want to map it, it's not even a cultural challenge, specifically it's Conway's Law. Any, you know, product output, software output as a function of your organizational structure that created it. So I find that whether you want to call it culture, whether you want to call it org structure, the org structure is rarely in place to incentivize entire teams to collaborate together throughout a full CICD pipeline process. You've still got incentive structures and org structures in place for people to develop code, unit test it, perhaps even integration test it. But I see more often than I'd like to, isolated or fenced off operations teams that take that and try and make it, you know, something real. They might call themselves SREs, now Site Recovery Engineers, but they're not integrated enough into the development process in my mind. So you're saying that the organization structures are also foreclosing their ability to be agile, even though they're trying hard, that the incentives are too grounded in there. So I still see a lot of skunkworks projects as DevOps projects, and it shouldn't be that way anymore, right? There should be, where there's a legitimate business reason for more agile businesses, there should be a much more formal DevOps structure as opposed to skunkworks DevOps structure. So that's the one challenge, and it's not new, but it's also not resolved. And the other one really is this blind spot for the autonomous data center vision, this blind spot for operations being 100% automated and really just never having to deal with a problem. The blind spot is everything breaks. New technology just happens to break in new ways, but it does fundamentally break. And if your last line of defense is a human or a group of humans, you can expect a very, very different sort of responsiveness and agility as opposed to having something automated there. Peter and I have been talking about all morning the Ford firing of Mark Fields, which was announced yesterday. It quote, retired by the Twitter handle of Ford, which is just code words for it, you got pushed aside. One were big fans of Mark Fields. Ford, we covered Ford there in Palo Alto, been doing some innovative centers over there. So, and also a Cloud Foundry customer. So I was actually just noticing that. But we were commenting on not so much the tech, but the guy got fired in less than three years into his journey as chief executive. Now the stock's down 39%, so the hammer's coming down from either the family, Ford family or Wall Street, Peter thinks Wall Street. But this brings up the question, how are you going to be a transformational leader if you don't have the runway? Back to your org structure. This is- I'm going to be a broken record. I was thinking that yesterday as I was watching CNBC and just thinking in my mind processing what they were announcing. And I was realizing in my head this, I bet why, because I don't know, but I bet- I speculate why he got fired because he wasn't able to put the org structure and incentives in place to run faster. And that's what the board asked his successor, is run faster. And if the successor doesn't put the org structure and the incentives in place to be an agile business, you know, it's the definition of insanity. It's bang ahead of you. It's about to add one more thing to that comment, which by the way, I agree with you. If you could configure an asset in a company besides the organizational structure. So you did that. What would your next asset be? More cloud, more data-centric? What would be- Also, I might be cliche, but it's totally true. I would have a cloud-first approach to everything. So we don't remember this guy called Obama anymore, but really he did a pretty revolutionary thing. We brought in a CIO eight, nine years ago, and he made every federal government department defend the capital purchase. And they basically had to go through like a multi, you know, hundred-page document to defend the capital IT acquisition, but to actually go cloud-first or cloud-native didn't require almost any pre-approval at all to get funding. So he made it easier incentives to go cloud. Creating incentives, and I'm a big believer that cloud is not a panacea. That helps Amazon, not IBM, as the CIA case found. I'm a big believer in life-cycle. So it's not like cloud is the rubber stamp solution for every problem, but the beginning innovation phase of every new product line or revenue stream really should be in the cloud right now. The amazing services, forget about IaaS and all that. Look at the machine language APIs, the IoT APIs, the entire CI-CD pipelines that are automated and simplistic. The innovation phase for everyone should be in the cloud. Then you got to take a step back, look at that bill, get over your sticker shock, and figure out where they can afford to stay in the cloud using maybe some of those higher level proprietary high-margin services of where they want to refactor. And that's where professional services hit in. And I think that might be the next great disruption for AI is refactoring apps. I think one of the things, final question, I want to get your thoughts on, pretend that we're at Cisco and we go back to the ranch and someone says, hey, what's that DevNet Create? What's our advice to our peers if we had an opinion that people valued inside Cisco? Double down on DevNet Create, continue, merge it with DevNet. What should your advice be? I'm a longtime James Governor fan, developer as a new king makers. I actually think we're in this situation that's not very well understood by business leaders right now where developers are influencing all the technology infrastructure decisions we're making, but they don't necessarily write the checks. But if you want to run an agile business, a digital business today, you can't do it without happy developers and a good developer experience. So you have to cater to their needs and their biases and so forth. And that shows like this, I think, bring Cisco's large ecosystem to bear where we can figure out how Cisco can maximize the developer experience, how partners, and I'm soon to be a Cisco partner myself at Paratis AI, can maximize the developer experience and just drive more modern business. Bring the developer community in with the networking, get those margins connected. Valperge Avicii, co-founder of Paratis.ai. This is theCUBE with exclusive coverage of the inaugural event of Cisco's DevNet Create. I'm Chairman Furrier with Peter Burris. I'm returning after this short break. Hi, I'm April Mitchell and I'm the senior director.


The once complement format is the second way we came up with for representing integers in computers. It will still allow us to represent both positive and negative numbers, but the format's a little more complicated than the sign and magnitude method. In this case, we'll still use our leftmost bit as a sign bit effectively, but we're not going to explicitly set it as such. Instead, if we've got a positive number, we'll just write down that number as we'd expect. It will have lots of zeros on the left-hand side because those don't actually change the value of my number. But when I want a negative number, I would take that positive representation and flip all of the bits. So any zeros in my number will become ones, any ones will become zeros. Turns out this works a little better with the arithmetic, but it's still not perfect. We still have to have a lot of extra hardware to make this kind of arithmetic work.


The title of this book is Can You Guess? Written by Ann Motsky. More guessing an amount, a number, an approximation. That is estimating. You guess. Is it more or is it less? Blocks. Blocks. To build a house. How many blocks make a house? I guess three. What's your guess? I guess three. Do you guess more or less? Did you guess less? It takes just two. Chalk is used outside on the sidewalk and there are many different colors. Now, how many pieces of chalk fit in the box? I guess six. What's your guess? More or less? Did you guess more? That's right. It takes eight. You know on the track you can run or walk? There's a finish line at the end. How many steps to cross the finish line? I guess seven. What's your guess? More or less? Did you guess more? It takes about nine. Pails. You know the small containers that you can fill with sand? Now. We have a bucket, which is larger. How many pails of sand fill a bucket? I guess eleven. Eleven pails. What's your guess? More or less? Did you guess less? That's right. It takes about eight. See the jar? It's filled with gumballs. How many gumballs are in the jar? I guess twelve. What's your guess? More or less? Both more and less are good guesses.


Old school Dragon Ball Z games do not mess around. This is a hard lesson that I simply must have forgotten when I got the urge to go back to Dragon Ball Z Infinite World. One of my favorite DBZ games to play back in the day. Sadly for me, this video that you're watching right now that I thought was going to be a fun trip down memory lane, instead turned into one of the hardest videos I've ever recorded. And it got bad really quickly. So let's go ahead and start a new game. I'm really interested in trying to re-li- Do I need to create a new save file? Uh... You know what? Yeah, just give me a new save data. Save data already exists. Uh... Yeah, you know what? New mean new experience. That's what I'm saying. Oh, dude, look at this. Look at this intro screen. Even this intro music is really nostalgic. Yeah, Dragon Mission. All right, I honestly don't remember anything about this game's story mode at all. Oh, but I do remember the minigame. Ah, son of a... Oh, come on. Damn! I'm... Rumbling, rumbling, gummy rumbling. Ah, enough of that. All right, new. Raditz kidnap Gohan, go after him. Oh my God, why is that? Things are kicking off fast in this game. Ah, hold on. Dude, you can control the difficulty.  I've got to go with hard mode. Let me make sure there's not a harder mode. No, there's not. There's very easy, easy, normal and hard. So I'm just going to go hard, mission start. What? So I just have to catch up to Raditz. That's what I'm talking about. Do I just run after him? Oh, oh, sidestep, sidestep. Wave dash, wave dash. How do I sprint? Is Goku supposed to be this slow? God, what am I doing? OK, so I can double jump. Can I get up there with a double jump though? I can't. I only got five minutes for this. Oh, hey, a coin. Oh, wait, I got it. It's B. Oh, I found the dash. I got it. I got it. I see how to get up there now. I see how to get up there. I just got to combo my movement ability right here, right here. That's huge. That's huge. Oh, with the dash, I am making record time. No, I fell down again. Now I have to go all the way back.  Look at my movement. No, my movement kind of be clean with it.  This is when I find out that there's a better way to move around. I'm going to be OK. So first of all, I found a hill that kind of pissed me off. Is that a secret? All right, bro, what are they trying to? I know that's a secret. What are you trying to hide over there? Hey, let me get that secret. Oh, it's a dragon ball. What the?  Yo, I got an actual four star dragon ball. Wasn't that from Go Hunt? OK, right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You have a point. You have a point. You have a point. I should probably focus on like getting my son back or whatever. But I don't know, dude. Like, OK, relax, Piccolo. I got distracted by one dragon ball one time. Give me a break like low key. If I'm being completely honest, I don't even know where I'm going. Like I'm just kind of loosely following where I think I should be going.  I bashed it. I just bashed my head against the easiest walls to avoid.  Please. There. See, that's what I was trying to do the whole time. Oh, is this where he landed? Yeah, it is. Wow. So I am definitely where Raditz should be right now. I'm not sure where he's hiding, if not here. This is the worst mission ever. I think I just got lost. I should be. I feel like I should be following these at a straight line. But oh, my God, I have zero time. I have like one minute left to get four of these. I might have to. I'm going to have to step on the gas here. I understand Piccolo. Look, I get that better than anybody. Oh, God, I'm going to fail. Oh, God, I'm going to fail. I don't know where the checkpoints are. Piccolo, could you help me out? I need Piccolo to help me. I there's no way I could get the last three in this. Piccolo, help give me a call out. No, I don't need a rest. I need to find my son. Huh? Huh? Oh, darn it, I was too late. What did he do? Wait, what was what was right? It's threatening. Oh, a hundred Zeddy, though, eight. I don't come cheap. All right, all right, this time I'm not messing around. I'm going full speed. Let's go. That's what I'm talking about.  Let me go. Let me just go straight ahead. Yeah, let me start with the ones I can actually see. So do I lose my dragon ball that you know what? Not important. You know, Piccolo yelled at me last time. Maybe I shouldn't really be worrying about the about what dragon balls like if I didn't said like worry about getting my son back. OK, I definitely just did it wrong last time. Like I didn't follow the actual steps because now we're in three.  I ain't going to lie. Low key. I'm kind of freaking out. It looks like all the gates are in the exact same position, but I do not remember where to get these from. I don't remember where the checkpoints are. Oh, I fell. I fell. Piccolo, please forgive me. Oh, my God, what do I do now? I'm just going to go to the ones I can see. I don't know why is this the biggest open world game I've ever played in my life? OK, I'm starting to move a little bit. I'm starting to move a little better. I just need to get more checkpoints. Please, I just need to find more checkpoints. There's there it is. There it is. There it is. There it is. Don't don't miss. I just don't want Piccolo to yell at me anymore, man. I don't deserve this. I'm trying my hardest. Nine. I see one over there. I'm just going to go over there. I could really use more stamina potions. I really need more stamina. All right, we're at 10 out of 13, which is about where I lost last time. I think I got to 11. I'm focused. Wait, but I really do want that dragon ball, though. Do I have time to go back for that dragon ball? Surely I do. Oh, no, it's right there. You know what? Gohan can wait. I want that dragon ball. I want the dragon ball. I know where it is, I think. Oh, no, it saved it from last time. Oh, I got to apologize to Gohan.  Now I don't have any stamina. No, I need at least two bursts of stamina to get over there. Maybe even three, honestly.  If I mess up now, no, I'm sure I have at least two burst. Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm slipping. Oh, oh, oh, we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine. All right, we're here. We're here. We're wherever Raditz is pod. Oh, my God. Oh, that was terrifying. I almost threw. We were right there. Where we go? Hey, I got a B, though, not bad. 10,000 Zeddy. I'm rich.  What is that versus Raditz? You know what? Enough messing around. It's time to battle with Raditz on hard mode. Skill edit. Oh, man. We have we have Kamehameha. What we are just decked out with all of the best moves, baby. Why not? Yo, the boys are back in town. Goku and Piccolo versus Raditz.   Yo, Raditz, you better stop. Bro, if you are, are you really bowed to Raditz? I'm here to take my son back. Woo. Goku, let him know. Ha, why is it the same mini game? Could we have not sprung for the budget a little? Get a better mini game. Stop hitting me, Corrin. Corrin.  I don't know. I don't remember how to play the game. They didn't teach me how to play the game. How do I do a Kamehameha? Oh, and he sidestepped it. Oh, he's so cool. Double Sunday. Raditz is like the coolest character ever, dude. Oh my god. Did that take a whole health bar? Damn, he's good. Nice teleport. Please, Raditz, please. Oh, it might not be Super Saiyan, but it's the best I got right now. Damn. Damn. Please tell me that doesn't combo. Oh, no, I'm down. What is he doing? Oh, damn. Oh, I missed my grab. Oh, he just grabbed me. All right, I'm firing a beam. I'm firing a beam because he's going to fire a beam.  He's so good at the game. All right, quickly, while he's out of key, we got to try to make our comeback. How did he block that flurry of attacks? Oh, Jesus Christ. Why, Raditz? Why? OK, it's become very clear to me that I'm going to have to learn the controls if I'm going to win this. Oh my god. And by the way, I'm sure a lot of this is going to get cut out of the video, but the loading screens between each failure is actually unreal. How do I? OK, so sidestep. No, no, no. Focus, Goku. Nice. Good keyblast reflect. That was sick. Oh, wake up, Raditz. It's time to wake up. That was sick. OK, now I got it. Now I got it. Oh, we got them. Let's go. This game is sick. How did he just? Oh, nice grab. Come here. Oh, wow, he blocked that. He just ate. He didn't even block it. He just ate it.  He is. I learned how to play the game, dude. I just learned how to play the game. It's too late for him. All right, can I just grab you, Raditz? He dodged my grab. Get out of here. Don't ever take my son again. Throw this guy to the garbage. Yo, OK, now I get the controls. This game, I got his tail. I don't know when he took my. Why did I let go? Why did it? Oh, Jesus Christ. Goku, why did you trust him, bro? He literally kidnapped your son. This make it make sense. Speaking of my son, though. Yeah, go home, bro. This guy built like two foot four. But he is sniffling. Nice shot, though. Go on. Let's go. OK, he didn't even break his armor in the game. Oh, wait, are we are? Wait, how much is this game progressing? Are we just going to die? Is this is it? Are we skipping this much game? Oh my God, all right.  Are we going to do like a mini game or are we just dead? I think we just die here. Yeah, we're dead. Damn, Raditz was in this game for all of one mission. He got one mission to himself. At least I'm dying peacefully. Oh, I got an S. And you know what I earned?  No way. Is there a snake way race mini game? Run through snake way details. Run through snake way to reach Kinkai. Don't fall off or you'll lose time. Reach the end within the time limit to clear the mission. Say less hard. Dude, the thing about me is in every video game where there is a snake way race, I have never lost even once. I want you guys to know right now this is about to look like a world record pace. You know what, editor, feel free to throw like one of those like speed run like times things up on screen with the like green numbers. Yeah, watch this. I bet zero seconds flat. I almost fell off. Not I'm not slipping. All right. So I know I sure held filler, but we're okay. This is bad. This is bad, dude. Wait, how much time did I lose? Oh my God, I got zero check points. I just wasted. I wasted all of my key and all of my time. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, beautiful moves. No, no. Oh, no, I didn't get any of the check points. All right, you know what? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm doing this zero check points and it's going to be a world record. What? Look, that was practice. OK, editor, you knew that was practice. Take that, take that timer off the screen. We don't need it. Oh, this is going to be it. This is going to be so easy. Oh, baby, what a run? What a snake way run? No, no. How did I fall? No way. There's simply no way that just happened to me, man. There's zero way. And I don't have any stamina to pick up. That was practice. That was that was literally practice, though. That's that's my thing is like that was practice. That was good. That was huge. That was huge. Could I do it from here? Maybe, maybe, maybe. Nice. I was died. I started. I didn't even say anything because I thought it was over. Bro, I thought it was over, dude. I thought my existence was ending. I thought that was just going to be a retry. I stopped even doing the video. Now, when I said I'm not going to get any checkpoints, I meant that, bro. No, no, because look, it's right there. I don't even need a rest, bro. Look, I made it zero. Wow, that is tiny. I don't think I don't think you guys put it supposed to be that tiny. That is that is that is minuscule. Yo, no checkpoints. I just speed run that kind of thing. Bro, that's that's really all it is to me is speed run opportunity. What is bubbles doing out here? Capture bubbles under heavy gravity. Watch out for bananas. What kind of game? OK, well, I mean, if all I have to do is capture bubbles, this shouldn't be that hard at all. Damn, look at all these stamina bottles. I another game where I have to catch up to something. Dude, why? Where bubbles at? OK, just watch. Oh, I'm already stretching, dude. Yo, bubbles, please. Enough with the bananas. All right, go. It doesn't look like gravity is stopping me.  I got him. Oh, but I got him. I literally got him, though. How do I attack? Oh, I actually have to click triangle. Freeze.  Oh, bubbles. God damn. Hold on, I'm getting a hold on. I just need to stay one step. I didn't know I actually had to capture him. OK, watch. You're mine. Damn it. He is throwing so many banana peels down. God, it's like, what? This is like the most reads. Oh, you got to read this little guy. I thought he was going to go left. Damn it. I am so out of stamina right now. It's not funny. He's going right. Bubbles. Bubbles. Bubbles, oh, a dragon ball. Oh, bubbles was actually just leading me into a dragon.   Oh, God. I'm winning.  Damn, he's running laps around me. That was why he threw that one at me.  Damn it. All right, all right, hold on. Quick break, quick break. All right, bubbles, where are you? OK, damn it. Got him. No, you are not going anywhere. Bubbles, get here.  That was difficult.  All right, now do I have to train with Gregory? No, I have to train with King Kai, OK. Training with King Kai, use Keyblast to destroy the bricks. All right, should be pretty easy. Oh, it's like a shooting gallery mode. This is already my final test, so I'm just trying to aim the spirit bomb, I guess. How do I throw Keyblast?  Oh, wow. All right. Oh, look, I do not miss. Oh, my God, King Kai passed me already. How do I reload Keyblast? I missed. Wait, how was I? So could I have easily got an S on that mission? Like, that seemed very easy to me. That did not seem like a very hard final test at all. But, hey, now I'll never miss a spirit bomb, baby. Wait, why am I already fighting Nappa? Do I not get to watch anybody's other? God, all right, nice grab. Nice grab, nice grab. All right, calm down, Nappa, calm down. Wait, don't I have access to the Kaio-ken? Oh, let's go. I just guessed that I had that. Let's go. I actually have the Kaio-ken. I win. I should have checked what abilities I have before it. Oh, sit down, Nappa. Oh, behind the back. All right, he's good, he's good. He still has a whole health bar. All right, I'm also going full power. Oh, he knocked me out of Kaio-ken. I go live, fellas, this is my first battle against Nappa. I ain't looking too good. Oh, my God.  Oh, he went right through my guy. He went right through my guard with that move. OK, OK, we got body. We got body. Nappa, you know, round one against Nappa, that's tough. All right, so I looked through our skill list, and really, all we have is the Kaio-ken and the Ka-mamiya.  Oh, beautiful dodge and grab by Nappa. God, he's good. I'm full power again. Just mash it out, mash it out. Damn, just hold on, Goku. He's only up by one health bar. Ugh, I don't have any key left. I'm being very patient here. I don't want to lose the Kaio-ken. Oh, no, oh, God, he got blinded. Damn it. No, the Kaio-ken. Oh, see, that's why I didn't want to lose it. You thought I wouldn't just get it back, though. Nice. No! He just ate it? No! Dodge it! Yeah, for half-half-half. OK, I can win this. I'm just bad at the game.  Bro, if this is Nappa, I don't want to see how hard the other fights are going to be, man. All right, maybe I saved the Kaio-ken for later. Oh, talk to me, Nappa. Talk to me. Talk to me then. Get out of my way. There you go. Wally has no key. Wally has no key. Get on him. This could be it. Keep the pressure. This is what I was waiting for, though. I was waiting to go Kaio-ken late game.  I'm seeing stars. All right, play back, play back there. Whiff punish that. Oh, god. No! What a dodge. No, no, no. No! I'm alive. I'm alive.  Nappa! Yeah, I'm starting to remember how I broke so many PS2 controllers. I was really hitting the sticks right there. I could just zone, I guess. Why did you hit my sob spot? Why did you lay me out like that? Oh, that was sick. We barely won that. Now I'm knocked out. God, this is not our round. All right, Nappa, you win this round. You win this round, Nappa. You win this round. You win this round. But don't think I'm not winning next round. I should, I gotta suck. OK, this is, no, no, no. This is not, it's your game, bro. It's your, like, you got it. Like, you literally got it, man. When I tell you Nappa got it this time, like, Nappa truly does have it. There it is, finally the Kaio-ken.  And Nappa's playing like a god.  Nappa played so godlike. OK, come on, come on, come on. You gotta be kidding me. He's built. This man is truly just built different.    When he's like this, I don't even want to talk. Block it. OK, 100 damage we take does.  This is a close match. This is one we can be proud of no matter what. Oh, his guard can't take the heat. He can't take the heat. He's got to learn to stay out of the kit. The kit, the kit, the kitchen. I don't think it's ever been this close. My God, I'm a lot of stuff, a lot of key. I can't do anything. I'm just going to let. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, I knew I was going to choke it. I knew I was going to choke as soon as you activated that mode. I knew I was going to choke.  If only I sidestepped.  It's almost been an hour. I just need to beat. I just want to beat the Saiyan Saga, man. I can't even be that far. I can't be that far from beating the Saiyan Saga.  I'm almost out. I'm almost out. Block it. Block it. No, no, no, I'm knocked out. I'm knocked out.   OK, he can't. I can't. Oh, my God. No, I never was. That was childish. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. It's just I keep almost winning and then I keep throwing it away. Very clearly catching bubbles and shooting some bricks on King Kai's place has proven not to be effective training methods, at least for me, because, God damn it, Napa is putting the work on me right now.  We're still in it. We're still in it. Nobody told me the odds of me winning this match. Oh, it's zero. My stamina. OK, how long, editor, if you can remember, how long have I been on Just Napa? Put it up on the screen because it has been a while. It has probably been cut down, but Jesus Christ. I let nobody tell you that I did not struggle on this fight because that is just not true, man. Napa is putting me through it right now, but I have a strategy now. There we go. There we go. Make those trades with him. Keep up on him. Keep up.  Nice dog, Goku. That was huge burst mode. Stay down. I'm out of key. OK, we're doing good. Don't let it don't let it get don't let it go. Don't burst again. We didn't need to burst right there. Block it. Block it and teleport out. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, I won't let him take a good run from me. Kyle Ken. Come on. Go into the burst. Go into the burst. No, no, no. Please, dinosaur, please don't kill me. Please. No. Yes, I'm still alive. Come on. There's nothing I can do. No, there's nothing I can do now. There's nothing I can do. He hit me into a. Oh, this is the most painful. I had in that time. I should have just kept my foot on his neck. I should have just kept him down. Oh, I checked it. I checked it. Oh, I'm trying to throw it. It's got to come down. Grab super. What? I'll lose it. I'll lose it. I can't beat that for. I can't do it. I can't do it. He's this is crazy. This he has to be the hardest boss in the game. There's just no way. Is this video going to be just Napa? I wanted to be the second time. Oh, you have to back dash that. No, what even is this? He's never done that. Why? He's still alive. Now that's what I want to.  Why is he why is never going crazy? But she is. That was it. It's been an hour of just fighting that, but he's never done that.   What did he say? He's still alive. And that's exactly what I want to see. What?  It was like yelling it, too. Wow. My God, I'm losing it. I'm losing it, dude.  Oh, whoa, wait, I could just hit retry and it starts without all the loading. Wait, wait, that's huge. You know how many more fail stacks I could be building up on this fight? Are you kidding me?  You got to be actually kidding me. I could just do this the whole time. Oh my God, this it's over now. Now that I know, now that I know, are you kidding me? Let's go. Yeah, all of a sudden, you ain't so confident. No more, huh, Napa?    Get up, Napa.   Oh, he ticked it. How did he take it? Don't panic, don't panic, don't panic. Perfect. If I can't sidestep, just power through it. Is he dead?  Go down, Napa, please go down. Go down. Napa. Napa, yes, yes. Oh my God, it wasn't even that. I didn't know about the retry mission button. I got a B. I got a B and I don't care. Can I at least get a cutscene for my efforts? Please, can I get a cutscene for my efforts? Please, please, you don't understand. That took so long. I got nothing. I got no cutscene. Oh, wants me to go get some Vegeta. Oh, you know what? I'm going to do it. I've got the super dragon fist. That's not canon. Vegeta. Yeah, Napa, cry about it then. Napa, cry about it. Oh my God, you got flung to the moon. You're saying you can't fight. No use for a saying that can't fight.  Get him out of here. Get Napa out of my game. Get Napa. Why are we just staring off at each other like this? It's not often that a low class warrior like you gets to play with an elite like me. Is this fight about to be even harder than Napa? Even a low class warrior can exceed an elite with enough hard work. I'm going to cry, dude. I am actually going to lose it. There are things hard work alone can't overcome. Let me show you. And so it begins. Goku versus Vegeta. Oh, wait, wait, he has one more helper than. Does he have one more helper than Napa? It took me forever today to beat Napa. And Vegeta has one more helper.   Oh, but let me show you this. Let me show you that. Hey, what about that? How about Vegeta?  Oh, got him. Yo, I got Vegeta looking goofy. That whole helper he has. Finally, he's starting to show some weakness.  I want to see you angry. You ain't Napa. You ain't even close. You should have never gotten rid of him. He is putting up a fight though. I must admit. Come on, we got him in the green. We got him in the green. How much damage? 240? I'll take 240. Oh. You got me there, Vegeta. You got me there. Oh, Vegeta. Vegeta, you ain't Napa though. You ain't Napa. You ain't Napa. We almost got him down one helper already. Oh, you want to fight like this. Oh, we are just scrapping like Saiyans right now. Yeah, this is how Saiyans supposed to fight. Come here. Yeah, you want to do all that fancy blocking. You want to do all that fancy blocking. Vegeta loves blocking. Oh, so I'm just going to keep doing grabs then. Why did he hit me so hard? Oh, we perfectly dodged it. Oh my god, he hit me like directly in the sternum though. What, why am I? Oh, whoa, what a dodge. And I am dead. Yeah, this battle with Vegeta is definitely where this video ends because I, oh my god, 240.  I don't think we're appreciating how much 240 damage really is in the grand scheme of things, dude. Why do I keep stepping? No, no, no, that's a retry. That's a retry. That's a retry. Look, the retry button, now that I know it's there, I'm going to abuse that. That's decent damage right there. That's real decent damage. This is what we like to call a good beginning. Is he stunned? This is a real good beginning. Oh, baby. That's fine, I'll fight you like this. We can both fight in this form. Oh, look who tuckered himself all out. Look who tuckered himself out, huh, Vegeta? Oh my god, we're playing. We're playing the game. Just hold that, no, no, hold that. It's so close.  What a battle of the Saiyans. We got Vegeta scared. Vegeta's running for his life.  That's it! We got him with a key blast.  And you know what, I'm not even going to say winning the game, losing the cutscene because that's about how I'm feeling right now. Wait, we are skipping so much story.  Yeah, get him, Krillin. Kill him. Nah, just straight kill him. Oh man, why didn't we even use the spirit bomb? I know it might be a mistake. We didn't even use the spirit bomb. King Kai really taught us nothing in preparation for this. And if he ever comes back, then I'll beat him. I promise. Let me do it. That's a promise. I don't know if I can keep Goku. Like, that's a crazy promise. Pathetic fools. Vegeta doesn't even look that hurt, honestly. There will be no miracles. Vegeta doesn't even look like he care. Like, his armor's a little messed up, sure. Oh my god, we're just going to let him get away.    What a huge mistake. But thankfully, that is going to be the video. Dragon Ball Z Infinite World has really just destroyed my hand today. And I wasn't going to record two videos of this. But if you want to continue to see me struggle against this game's story mode on hard difficulty, let me know I'd be more than happy to keep going until I hit a wall that I just can't pass. But other than that, I'm leaving, dude.  I'm going to space.