Welcome to another edition of RCE. Again, this is Brock Palin. You can find us online at rce-cast.com You can find us links to the Twitter's the blogs and all the back feeds there of all the old shows also feel free to head over To iTunes leave a comment there rate us give us some feedback. You can also find contact form on the website Again, I have Jeff Squires of Cisco Systems and one of the authors of open MPI Jeff. Thanks again for your time Hey Brock. This is pretty cool So yeah today we are talking to some people from my alma mater we're actually doing kind of a throwback to an RCE cast almost exactly two years ago on hub zero and The nano hub at a Purdue although today we're looking at it from kind of a different perspective because in that episode we talked a Lot about Infrastructure although there's somewhat somewhat of their individual usage as well But today we're gonna be talking to some people out of the University of Notre Dame where I went to school And what they do with a hub zero and a large international collaboration with it So our guests. I wonder if you could introduce yourselves Sure, my name is Jason Zerishan and I'm a research program manager here at Notre Dame in the Department of Biological Sciences and my interest in background is in vulnerability of natural systems to global change and My passion is sort of looking at developing knowledge tools Strategies for aiding in wildlife and natural systems conservation efforts And at the moment I am the program manager for the Collaboratory for adaptation to climate change And hi Brock and Jeff I'm Jessica Hellman I'm a professor here at the University of Notre Dame also in biology get the great pleasure of talking to some biologists today about Computing and research computing and I'm an ecologist by training my area of expertise is In the impacts of climate change and what what we should do about those impacts And that's what we're going to talk to you about today in the Collaboratory for adaptation of climate change and How we can help minimize the effects that climate change is going to bring to all kinds of Systems human systems and ecosystems both Okay, so can you exactly define what you mean by Collaboratory? Sure a Collaboratory is a word that I think it actually is officially defined by the NSF or is an NSF word by origin It means laboratory Online or a co-laboratory, so it's a place where people come together and do work So it's an online community a virtual community a space where things can be where interactions can take place And things work can get done just like a real laboratory You would go into a lab and you would see your colleagues and you would chat about some methodology or you might run an experiment You would keep your results there your data would be posted there and you would get your research work done So for us, we're organizing our Collaboratory or a virtual community around a particular topic That is desperately in need of this sort of rapid innovation that could be inspired by an online community And so we're deploying these distributed computing and cyber infrastructure Toward the development of this particular topic So how did this get get started? but you know kind of both as a general idea the idea of Working virtually with your colleagues across the globe and in a shared virtual space and also specifically at Notre Dame How did the project get started? Well, there are a number of us who work on this topic of what is climate change doing to human and natural ecosystems? And what the heck is that going to mean for us in terms of dealing with those consequences? What is the stuff that we should be doing and it's really interesting if you talk to ecologists and you say all right? Well, okay ecologists. What do you think are too? How should we make managing ecosystems differently than we are now? The we didn't we don't know the answers and if you ask Economists, how should we be managing economic systems differently or you ask public health people? How should we be handling the public health implications of climate change and be just making adjustments accordingly? There's this big sense that we need to be making those adjustments, but no one really knows specifically what to do There aren't any best practices There aren't any sort of core principles about which strategies are more effective than others But at the same time the science is telling us that climate change, you know pretty profound climate change is right around the corner We're already starting to see some consequences. So we need to be implementing these strategies In the here and now so we need the answers and we don't have them So we could ask individual laboratories and we are asking individual laboratories all around the world to go work on this problem And sometimes the pace of that research is something like okay come back in 50 years and tell us what you found But we need something much more rapid than that We need a solution that's developed in one place to be readily implemented in another place We need Information to be shared and we need to mobilize data and tools much more quickly And so that's what in theory an online community can can facilitate it can span that geography So we were working on those issues here at Notre Dame from a traditional laboratory sense but in a really interdisciplinary way With political scientists and lawyers and computer scientists and ecologists and that's when we realized that if we were doing this Locally interacting in an interdisciplinary way on this issue Why couldn't we facilitate that sort of globally or in an online space that wasn't just limited to one campus? But lots of people could participate in so we went to the NSF and we asked them if they liked this idea and they did And so they gave us some money to establish our own Collaboratory and it's not just to establish the Collaboratory and to make it run but also to study what this virtual community is all about So I think we're still learning about how virtual communities function and what roles they can play and our project is just is equally about that Is it is its particular topic? Okay, so you covered a lot of things there But I'm curious is this like a more traditional research project than most the users are graduate students and maybe their PIs Or do you actually maybe have policy makers businesses that would possibly be affected by these Policy decisions or anything like that kind of involved also right, so I'll feel that And I'll start by throwing some data at you some analytics data that we have so just from a numbers standpoint We have 12,000 unique visitors from over a hundred and thirty countries And those folks have come together to form 58 groups on in on our site 37 of which are public 13 have some protected content and eight have are completely private and so who makes up these sorts of these use this user base and It's spread across the gamut of or the spectrum of who might be interested in the topic, which is very interdisciplinary So we do have traditional academic PIs postdocs and graduate students that come both to Consume and leave content on the site as well as to get some of their work done using our tools But we also have a large group of folks who are forming working groups Across agencies federal employees from the Fish and Wildlife Service from NOAA USGS People who are interested in land management like the BLM and state Fish and Wildlife agencies and then also city and governor city government employees like from the city of Chicago And also tribal folks that are trying to unite information across the Native American communities that they've formed something called the tribal climate forum on the site and also as you mentioned industry professionals that are interested in the corporate aspect of adaptation to climate change Yeah, I would say we have a number obviously we have a lot of academics as an NSF project But equally if perhaps more important we have a lot of government and non-governmental people who are actually Responsible for implementing a lot of these adaptation ideas So it's a place in theory It's a place where both the researchers and the practitioners can be interacting with one another Which is another thing you can do in an online space That's difficult to do in real physical space in a collaboratory that you can do that would be hard to do in a real laboratory So how have you actually kind of divided things up? It sounds like there's a number of sub groups people with different interests And of course I need to communicate across But how kind of are you juggling that? So in general these things are sort of Organic they come together We provide a platform and a seed for these people to come together and join groups and consume resources and use our tools We do have some partnerships Organizations that we strategic partnerships with folks at the Nature Conservancy other sort of regional partnerships with folks in the Great Lakes folks at NOAA but in general these folks just find us and Find the site and they bring their own agenda to the site and organize around that Yeah, we have a number of resources a number of tools sort of goodies why people might want to come to the site in addition to the Platform that'll facilitate interaction and group formation and things like this There are some models that are useful in this domain space and other tools and resources that might attract a person initially Now do you provide this service for free or is there some kind of membership? Or is there certain levels that are free and certain that have to be paid? At the moment it is your government tax dollars at work It's run by the funding from the National Science Foundation. So it's completely open source There is no fee to to enter or to participate I think that's very important in the spirit of sort of group problem solving I mean, of course at the moment We're thinking about what is our long-term model and how does it that we can go about sustaining these communities? Keeping them open source and keeping them accessible, but also having a financial model. That's actually something we're confronting right now but at the moment we are Research entity and so we live off of National Science Foundation funds Is can it pretty much be anybody join just kind of like walk up and kind of poke around the communities? Because obviously some of the stuff is somewhat contentious Even though it sounds like you're not even talking about the stuff that's generally contentious But anything like this become highly politicized becomes an issue Right, so we have sort of three core levels of users At the top level we are Google indexed and so that's one way that folks might come and consume information They type in a keyword one of our resources Pops up and they are freely as long as it's available to at sort of the public level They're freely available to Consume that content, but it's a one directional sort of way of Insumption the next level is if you come and you join our community which Jessica mentioned is completely free You just sign up for an account and that opens up a whole nother level where you can leave Information you can post information and resources and if you have a funding opportunity coming up you can post that You might have a webinar that you'd like to let people know about and you can join groups and group formation is really important and Something that sort of sets us apart from a few other sites that are formed around the concept and then There isn't an additional sort of barrier But there is another sort of level of super user that you we we like to think about that are the folks that come to consume our tools so we also Make our tool sets available to folks and those folks are using sort of a lot more of our Computational resources than maybe other folks that are just coming as individuals or as groups Bar can I can I answer your question here about actually makes me think of two things you mentioned this topic is Potentially contentious. I mean it is true that when you come to sign up you You need to get approved as a user that we're not using that to keep people out though. You know, you always have your random Into you know your bots and things like this that are going around creating user groups in it looking to sell Sell various things we don't you know, you're not a genuine user of the community then those don't get approved But we actually have found Hardly any I think none Of that kind of contentious things that you might imagine and it's really interesting the topic of climate change Adaptation and we should be very clear about what adaptation is Adaptation is about all the stuff that people are going to need to do all the ways We're going to need to change our management and the ways that we go about living our society Managing our natural resources and so on to deal with climate change So it definitely requires an understanding of what the impacts of climate change are But in some ways actually less contentious than the flip side of the coin, which is climate change mitigation Which is the stopping reducing and ultimately stopping the release of greenhouse gases the very cause of climate change now it goes without saying that adaptation and mitigation go hand-in-hand that you have to Have I often say if you're going to adapt to climate change you would be a lot more Reasonable and feasible to adapt to a smaller amount of climate change than a large amount of climate change In fact adapting to the amount of climate change the model suggests under our business as usual scenario is probably impossible In part in large parts of the world, but somehow there's an angle to adaptation. That's more sort of what are we going to do that? It seems to be a little less contentious and then another thing you said made me think of What are people coming and doing here? It's really interesting What makes a collaboratory different than just a web page or what makes a virtual community different than a web page a? Web page is just something that people go look at right they might download something from it They're just consuming it's a one-way Interaction you're pushing information across the internet, but a Collaboratory or a virtual community should have a back-and-forth So Jason said we're creating this platform and then we expect and we're seeking people to contribute I mean we seed it with stuff that people might want to consume, but it's not just a web page You come and you contribute and you leave this data footprint or your ideas or your Experiences or your opinions or your groups Behind and that's what forms a community over time So that's a That actually begs a great question. What kind of things have you been able to do with the collaboratory? What kind of science have you been able to advance with these communities? right so within Within that we have a number of sort of research priorities that we are putting forward With this effort through the NSF and I can just sort of briefly detail a few of them Many of them we refer to as tools so a few of our tools include Something that we call spaces which is the spatial portal for analysis of climatic effects on species and Basically, it's a browser-based climate envelope modeling platform that looks at species responses to climate and tries to forecast where they may live in the future and the way that that's novel is that many of these tools although folks in your audience would be probably very capable and Very keen to take on the sort of current state of a lot of climate envelope models out there their command-line tools generally running on either servers or you'd run them when your local Linux setup and you'd be sort of like running these things with requests and Basically, we wanted to take oh, and it's also a fragmented community. There are many platforms and many algorithms out there that you'd be downloading as packages into things like are and MATLAB and You'd have to be interfacing with these things individually and what we've done is created a browser-based multiple Modeler multiple algorithm unified Platform that includes things like GIS like global Geographic information system mapping capability It's got a logical workflow based experiment development system. So Basically, we are trying to make these things both accessible to folks and to also to Build a community that's more unified around these tools another one of our efforts that we've put forward is taken some efforts of Group called nature serve and we've adapted one of their tools the climate change vulnerability index from something that was running a very complex Bayesian statistics in an Excel spreadsheet and We've created it as a Java virtual machine based tool that runs within the Collaboratory which asks probing questions about species natural history So you're working on a particular frog and it'll ask you questions about that frog And then at the end it sort of spits out a score as and some sub scores as to what might be Concerning to that particular species under climate change and then it that it then chucks that into a globally accessible database and you can imagine over time as folks Participate in in adding their species to this database. It is a real Valuable tool to land managers all over the world who are looking at Responding at taking actions and conservation actions in response to climate and we've not only made that then we've brought it out of Sort of people's desktops and lost data sets that are just sitting in people's hard drives made it globally accessible But there's also in session screens sharing so as you're going through using this tool You can say I'd like to invite invite Brock and Jeff to come look at what I'm doing here And they can help tick the boxes and write the responses Later you can say oh in addition. I'd like to request This other expert as a peer reviewer and when you type their name into the Into the shared session peer review box and they are then pink to come and and review your entry For scientific validity or maybe add some comments and things like that and then We're also involved in structured decision support tools. So we Call those adaptation workflows which basically guide users through a thought process and point them at resources and tools our internal discussion forums and Help folks think about in a very structured way How to think about various parts of climate adaptation so a couple examples of those we have Guide to coastal resilience in the Great Lakes that asks People questions and points to some NOAA tools and things like that and then the sort of most novel part of that is it then says Do you want to talk about this with other people that may have the same interest here? Let's pop you into this discussion forum That's part of a group and you can relieve your questions or answer questions that you might have Right there in that forum. And then finally as Jessica mentioned One of our biggest aspects that we're interested in research from a research perspective is that we're studying the Sociology and the network science of how our members come together and create connections and what that emergent collaboration Signal might be so basically we're evaluating how communities are formed and the interactions between members and other communities And to do that we're utilizing click-stream analytics that we're collecting on the site and also doing some direct Membership surveys and that's one of our more interdisciplinary Pursuits and that we're bringing in people from our Center for Network Analysis here on campus and Some computer science folks, but we're also heavily leveraging our strong sociology Faculty members on campus. So it's a big package of Science that that the NSF has really facilitated here on campus So all those tools help you visualize what the future might be like and then you need to make decisions about What you do about what that future might be like So you could imagine Once you have information about what what possible outcomes there might be for the future Then you decide how you're going to manage in the face of that and that's where the discussion part comes in and Decision-making and problem-solving Okay, so let's let's dive in a little bit of the practicality here When people join You said you've got these different levels of users some just joined or just come to read some join to use your tools Some you'll you know join just to discuss What data do people tend to share, you know, are they is it is it just like a mailing list kind of thing where? They're tossing ideas and and theorems round or do they say hey, I've got this data set Have a look at it. What do you come up with? I mean what kind of interaction goes on? between the actual collaborators Right, so in terms of what types of things people are sharing all of our all of the things that you call data we call resources, so a Resource from within the concept of the Collaboratory can be a number of things case studies webinars government reports Publications working documents things like that and of those we have a ton. We have almost a thousand global resources And then you but you may not want to have those globally accessible so or it may be more topical So we also have the ability to share things just within your group. So you may be creating a wiki That's knowledge generation within your group only and you might restrict that down if or if you're trying to put out a You're having a conference and you're putting out conference flyers to organize people That's something that you might have for the group or sources And then we also allow people to have a personal workspace and this is basically conducted through Linux virtual machine and we give everybody who joins 10 gigabytes of personal storage to share Date like literal data sets ones and zeros with each other Through their for through their public and private storage. So there are lots of different ways that users can share data But you know Jeff It's kind of it's kind of interesting because we're asking people to do something. It's a little bit different than they're used to Right. I mean we said earlier a Collaboratory is like this place where people come and interact but laboratories by analogy are places where usually you kind of keep your data to yourself and Some of these data that people might be coming in running in a model, for example might it's not necessarily data that you'd be readily Excited to share with other people So we're we deal with that by both having public information and private information if you want to keep it private But it's a fascinating. I think it's fascinating to think about how should people behave in these Collaborative spaces and what should they be willing to share because our assertion is this that the innovation really actually comes from the Sharing and the collaboration But sometimes people just want to come and use resources without sharing that information and we want to facilitate that too So it's an interesting New space we're in in terms of what does it mean to share? I mean for some of our people are even government agencies Maybe they're not interested. You know, maybe they have information that they're nervous about sharing So they can also make it private Yes, it seems like a delicate line that you must have to tread because All research not just academic research, but all research is highly competitive these days and and I'm actually a Big open-source guy myself and so I'm a big believer in working together with people and you get your best work done that way But it's sometimes an uphill battle to convince people of that particularly when you're all competing for the same research dollars from NSF and the the same types of Research funding organizations. Do you run into any kind of resistance that way? I don't think we Honestly, we run into more resistance when people will talk about it than when they actually go and interact on the site We hear a lot that there are people are concerned about sharing information But for example, if you go into some of these groups, you'll find that there's a surprising amount of stuff that they will make public Or that their groups are pretty loose And pretty big and they'll share information pretty readily within a group So I'm not sure how You know manifesting reality this concern is about not wanting to share I think that people are sort of nervous about the concept more than the reality but The other thing is to what degree is the community used to sharing and what's the incentive for sharing? It's it's a little bit of a chicken and a neg I mean the proof would be it the proof would be born out later if we said look at this great insight that happened Because everyone was in this virtual community and there was some sharing happening and I think that that actually will bear out over time But it's a little bit hard to to prove to people that that will be the case and and that they should play their part in helping Make that a reality. I suspect it's the same thing for you in the sort of open-source domain You know, why should people go along with this? We have this philosophical idea that it will spur innovation and it will increase the pace of development But you don't really realize until after it happens And competition motivates people sometimes also, you know, and it's not you know We talked about competition a lot of times in the economic monetary sense, but in academia. I think we kind of trade in Recognition and you know things like that that I think sometimes people They're both incentives matter incentives matter incentives always matter And so creating a setup what I see you've done here and tell me if I'm off base Is that traditionally when people talk about you know sharing data to somebody else? It's very one-way Yeah, yeah, and so it like it never comes back around But if you're like all inside the ecosystem that thing that was the permutation off of your previous data you now see That's right another Thing talking about incentives right a thing contributions on the platform are attributed to individuals so you get credit for all the stuff that you post up there in in the sense of Recognition for your posts. I mean credit on your resume or something might be a separate issue, but So we're also cultivating a brand in some senses and we we want to think of ourselves as we and we do think of ourselves As a one-stop shop on this topic So there's also a bit of an issue that if you're working in this area You want your information to be up there because that's where other people going to find it So, you know if you're going to be competitive in this space you need to be present where where the action is happening But to be that place where people want to be you need to have a reputation and critical mass So kind of what was part of kind of getting to that point For us is really has all been rooted in real interactions with real people That get the spark going and Jason can comment on this But there's actually a literature that suggests it that Online interactions at least in our parallel cases are probably best suited for reinforcing Interactions that have established In person right this is the classic Facebook thing, you know your Facebook's with friends mostly with people that you actually know Or have some history with and so we've actually over time drifted toward that model From imagining that we're going to spark these random collaborations to trying to focus on reinforcing some Existing linkages and making them stronger or putting groups of people together who who could or know each other or sort of know Each other or having a third-party in common and forging those linkages Right so the site Has the real advantage of being tag-based and so everything right down to your personal profile has tags And those tags are searchable so if you search in for any any keyword that you're interested in you're gonna get a list of resources tools and people that are Interested in or relevant to that topic And so that's one way that people who are what we sort of think of as coming as Singletons to the to the group if they were to search and they could find their tribe in that way But as Jessica mentioned One of the real ways that this gets done in you know in the wild is People come with existing relationships that they then sort of knit together and they say you know what? You know here's my card we should talk more in the future and the problem with that is folks come Probably we've noticed two regional conferences and things like this and they have intense very productive Relationships and knowledge generation and then they go away and then for six to nine months or maybe a year or longer That relationship isn't really stoked and we're thinking what can we do to make that sort of secondary next day? after the conference interaction more Well facilitated and more productive so that's where we want to be in that space So let me flip the the situation around on you so If if the Collaboratory is what happens after a physical meeting or a physical conference or something Has it happened the other way around? Has it happened that? Work together in the Collaboratory has created a conference or created a work meeting a physical work meeting where people actually get together and and Collaborate do science. Yeah, absolutely. So we do have cases like that Maybe not completely organically But there have been the it is the case that we have a few Groups on the site that have come together and created new collaboration and relationships One of which is called the Northwoods adaptation group And so this is a bunch of folks that live in or Great Lakes region that are thinking about Forest management conservation things like that and they've just said, you know what? We need a way to put people in touch with other people that know things about this region. And so that's one good good example, there's another that's Sort of slightly different topically Called Great Lakes coastal communities and these are Basically, if you look at it from from a number of different levels of government down to People who are doing city planning down to citizens Thinking about promoting adaptation in Great Lakes regions to Great Lakes coastal region. So there are definitely Thing groups that have come together and formed just uniquely on the Collaboratory that have been very interesting What have you seen in terms of anything kind of being spun off to the side? Like things are kind of outside the Collaboratory, but never would have happened without the Collaboratory Hmm That's an interesting question It's a little bit hard to answer because at the same time that the Collaboratory is growing and evolving though Very topic is growing and evolving this idea of You know, we're really on Addressing a really emerging topic. So there are certainly conversations and groups of people on the Collaboratory that have been thinking about Adaptation and pursuing innovative ways of thinking and talking about it And then you can see those manifests in other places as well at conferences at meetings In some of these work groups that are Manifest on the Collaboratory and they also have a sort of real-world analog So it's hard to say that which of those are actually directly triggered by the Collaboratory I don't know. Maybe you have additional thoughts on that Jason, but I think that during the period of time that the Collaboratory sort of been in business There's been a number of sort of shifts and ideas about what it is that we're trying to To manage for when we talk about climate change annotation You can see that both in the real world and on the Collaboratory I could give you an example if you're interested, but You've stumped me a little bit there with that question That's a really interesting question. Sorry. I know this is probably not going to make it in but We ought to see if we could figure that out. How will we go about determining? So one of the things that about our project is where I said we said the NSF wanted us to study this virtual community We said here's a topic area that needs a virtual community We should establish this cyber infrastructure and then we said and then we're going to study those people and see what they actually do What we should come up with is a way of investigating What's the parallel between the online world and the offline world? And which is the chicken and which is the egg? I think it's an interesting thing to think about Also sort of within the online world We there are a number since we begun our work here On the Collaboratory there are a number of sort of parallel sites that are topically oriented that we think of ourselves as Helping to connect those different resources together and so in that way they Some of their members are members of the Collaboratory and some aren't but We're trying to help be the nexus And try and link to each of these different resources that otherwise may sort of fall to the wayside and we have Because we're NSF funded. We don't really have an agenda in that way So some of these places may get their dollars from a very specific research agenda or from donors and we don't really have that Problem so in in that way we can be very altruistic even when altruism seems like it may be lost All right. Well, let's let's talk a little more about the logistics of this in case uh, there are other people out there Looking to set up their own kind of Collaboratories for their own Topics now you use the the hub zero platform. What what can you tell us about that? Do you use the the free software or do you use any paid versions of it? How does that all generally go Right, so we are using the open source non paid version and we're hosting it here through the center for research computing on campus and in terms of any of their things I like to say, um, our our site is free both like free stuff And also free like speech, right? So, um, we we're completely open source and all of our tools are also open source and available for tweaking and and looking and collaboration in that in that way so We do use what they are calling their sort of workspace, which is an app or we like to call a tool And that's what fuels a few of the tools that I mentioned like the open modeler and this climate change vulnerability index and also the tool forage So that's something that uh, one of your previous guests nano hub really utilizes quite a bit and we are interested in bringing folks on board that are also similarly interested in developing tools for this topical space as well So that means people can develop code and actually executed in the In the platform The main way at the moment, we've primarily been doing tool development with with close collaborators And the main hub zero Platform that we use is all the infrastructure they have about group formation and managing user id's Uh messaging this kind of thing So how difficult have you found that to be to kind of make these applications you mentioned a couple that You know you ported from excel to java to make it work inside this environment Um, this seems like a bit of a barrier Like you you can't just use the tool of your choice because it needs to fit inside the hub zero setup has how has that actually worked out for you We've sort of bounced back and forth if it if it tends to if we can see a way to leverage the platform that the hub zero platform is fantastic Uh because it allows for some of this remote screen sharing of any tool that's sort of natively built on the hub zero platform and It also sort of fits really nice into the ecosystem where sort of all of your sessions So um the jvm java virtual machine Platform you can have multiple instances all running at one time. So let's say I need to model 10 species I can get my first run started say save that for later. It goes away I pull up my next virtual machine. I get something started in there I say save that for later then I go to another tool and I started over there So those are really powerful and we really uh appreciate what that what hub zero brings to to the game there But then we've also bounced outside and our spaces platform is completely developed just by us And is running not within necessarily the hub zero app Ecosystem, but is still running on the collaboratory and our crc infrastructure We have an additional challenge if if I could add on to that And that is that we have we're engaging a community of people that are not software developers So, um We are working toward and I think it'll take some time to get people to imagine that they would not only come And run their tools and have conversation inform group groups and share PDFs and Data they have a lot of biological data, but they would actually Make code and share executable files and Um build new things to contribute. I think it's actually been a big challenge for us. Um And what what is the what would incentivize that for our community? It's not a completely natural thing to be spending your time doing so One thing we're really looking for is who what kind is there a development community out there that might want to Engage on this topic. I think that could be a lot of productive things in that area So you've mentioned the the crc a couple times there at Notre Dame and and they also host a bunch of High-performance computing stuff, which is a topic we visit in this podcast quite a bit And that's my particular field and Brock's particular field as well. So i'm curious Do you use any of those type of resources? Do you run? Big parallel number crunching kinds of things And make that available through the collaboratory The reason why we're prepared on this is because the answer is You don't really need high-performance computing for a lot of the things that the collaboratory does But you can use it when it's all right time to Right the crc provides a ton of our infrastructure And facilitates us to do some of this parallel computing. So the crc itself has over Almost 20,000 cores that they're using for hpc 350 terabytes of storage and we're a member of another Guest that you've had on I believe in the past the open science grid So the we do utilize that we are part of their main What we fit into what they call their interactive collaborative environment group which works on things like malaria and Things like Democracy propagation and other things that take a lot lots of parallel computing and high performance computing And from an infrastructure point of view, we are part of the monon 100 100 gigabit System that is between us and indiana university for really high bandwidth Data sharing and then our campus infrastructure is 10 gigabit. So we do have the ability to really push push a lot of data up and down via The Infrastructure when we need to and we're investigating and moving forward We have the ability to deploy some of these jobs to our local condor distributed computing pool so We can send our jobs out across the campus network to computers that are not being used at the moment and They could be run sort of on that network as well So you mentioned that uh when someone signs up which is completely free and they come and do they get 10 gigs of Free space to be able to upload and share real data and they can use these tools and stuff How does Notre Dame actually feel about this? You know right now you're supported by the grant but you're talking about going to the local condor pool and stuff That effectively you would now have open the door to anybody to use resources that they're paying for So that's right. I mean this is a project. So money comes from the nsf. This is a commitment the university made to enable this Uh project to happen Uh, so we are very explicitly allowing people to use computing resources provided by the university of Notre Dame In fact, that's one of the reasons why you would come and use the Collaboratory in the first place. I mean we talk about It's where the community dimension of the collaboratory is important that you would come and interact with other people And a lot of that's probably not very data intensive and it doesn't involve a lot of storage space But for example, some of these models that you might come and run Uh individuals might use this resource Because they don't have a lot of computing power at their local machine or they're not part in some case They're not part of a university that has any Hypo high performance computing capacity So it gives you access to resources that some individuals might not have it also puts it in a in a visual platform that sort of intuitive use and Works well for a variety of different levels of Um comfort if you will with high performance computing And in exchange, uh, I mean this is part of what what the university is Intended to do the university has made a commitment to sustain The Collaboratory for at least five years after the funding stream from the National Science Foundation ends Which it will end in the coming year Uh, so we'll continue to host the Collaboratory But as I say we're looking for and thinking about what is our 2.0 And how you know with the business model moving forward To be able to provide those resources in the long term hosting continuing to host it for a while It's not a huge challenge for the university But for us to continue to be able to pursue development of it and keep it fresh and new And put be able to deploy new tools as they come online Is going to require a continuous flow of resources What about insurance companies? I mean, they're the ones who are possibly viewing, you know For any sort of information come here could actually be related to other things dealing with property Insurance that's possibly not even necessarily related to climate change There is a number of potential business models One could imagine a kind of consulting firm So for example, we have pretty good knowledge of our own tools and how to use them Maybe there's a business model in there about Uh while our information is freely available, we certainly have Skills in accessing those models and seeing them used in a good way You know another business model for these kind of communities again, not what we've developed so far But is to have some things be public private and some things be public another resource to be private That's not something we've pursued so far Yeah, there there are a variety of potential Opportunities in which you could sort of make pieces of this Commercialized in some way or have a fee for service type of entity But it is kind of interesting to think about what is the relationship Of an entity like ours or hub zero in general hub zero remember was funded by the national science foundation You mentioned earlier is the project based at Purdue University They're funding from the nsf ended And now they have a fee model as well Though if we very much explicitly in our grant proposal said we were going to use hub zero because it was developed with Um government resources and was an nsf funded project So I think it's also part of our responsibility to Maintain a part of our community in our environment that is publicly accessible So you you've mentioned a couple of things one of which uh was very interesting I I keyed on you said it was not difficult for Notre Dame to keep hosting this for the next several years And that they've provided that commitment. So again, I want to ask on the flip side of that what are some of the challenges that you've run into in Creating developing and maintaining this community I think one of the biggest challenges is something that we briefly touched on previously, which was really Uniting on a common at a common level the computer savvy Of the community so um and maybe not even the computer savvy per se But the sort of the culture the culture of leaving a latent evidence of your participation, which is Fantastic for the global good, but may not be something that a government agency is in The business of doing without having it be peer reviewed and go through specific back channels and things like this so um I think and then further than that even Somebody like a giant like google and facebook have a hard time Making those primary interactions happen that aren't just secondary interactions after a face-to-face. So we're having uh a lot of folks that come that sort of know each other but uh and and form groups around that but Uh in in this day and age. We really have a this is a global issue that spans A huge Spatial gradient here. We're talking about uniting people across continents that um and one of the things that the collaboratory can really do in sort of um A very effective way is bring somebody from uganda Virtually and put them in contact in contact with somebody from the university of chicago that That alone and putting that sort of intellectual resource We're very spoiled here in the states where I can get on an airplane And within a few hours be to the doorstep of a leading researcher on pretty much any topic in the world And that's just not the case for folks in disadvantaged. Uh, maybe spatially remote countries. So it's really central to our our Our thought process also that we we need to unite people over space as well as uh around an idea So I want to kind of talk about some of the experiences you've had and we've talked about a little bit but I want to specifically If someone else was trying to kind of create a community around a broad topic like this Where there's there's a large community. It's dispersed. It's worldwide. Maybe only nationwide something like that What would be some of the things that you say make sure you get right? That's a that's a fascinating question So I would say a couple of things first you really need to find out how savvy Your community is and how tolerant they are Of the sort of beta version, right? How how much are they expecting to get the whizbang stuff the very first time they show up So a surprising we spent a surprising amount of time Dealing with people saying having concerns like well, I went to your site and I couldn't find the button for whatever and so I left So that's again They come back to that face-to-face thing if people are committed to working with you on your site because they Have a group there and they were told to go and do something in that group or join up Then they'll be persistent but uh In some cases if you could if they come once You know, how do you get them to stay and engage? And we found in our community that they have a pretty high standard for a a nice looking aesthetically pleasing easy to use site You could imagine other communities. Maybe it would be more tolerant, but but ours that's a big one. So The other is to we would we would think carefully about why are people there? What are they looking for? And we we've thought a lot about what we could what we could use to attract them there So in our case, for example, a big seller has been information about grants And jobs people are looking for grants and jobs So a lot of people have come to our site to consume that information And then you think about how do you convert them into users or how do you convert them into people who will Contribute as well as just consume. That's an important a critically important thing to think about Uh, so what is their incentive for visiting the site? And then I think the third one is how which we are still trying to figure out I think it's important for these virtual communities is you have a lot of these individual interactions But what's the collective value that you can draw out of that? We're thinking about that a lot as our NSF project is coming to a close, you know, what's the take home picture from this virtual community? You built this thing and lots of people came but what's the insight that you're now going to Glean from it and I think that's something important to think about From the beginning also Jason if you would add others Yeah, I guess I would just add that uh, it's also in process and that you know That is a cornerstone of of what makes this grant interesting is that it's topical But we also have the you know, it's it's both Um The topic of study and a topic of study We're we are actively pursuing Looking at this little ecosystem and trying to answer those very questions as we speak So as you have grown and evolved the site, do you roll out new features new tools new Things that people would come to come for I mean not just the content that people share But you as administrators provide new functionality. Does that happen over time? And if so, can you give us a sneak peek of some things that are coming? Absolutely, we do Have an active team of developers that are working on our tools and one cool part of that is that The community really dictates where those go. So part of uh, the central aspect of Of hug zero is that they offer for all tools they offer what's called a community wish list and just like other uh Other software development platforms when you go to any one of our tools You can join a join a group that is uh associated with that tool and you can say, you know what I You know, I'm using this tool and it's fantastic You know what you could do differently this and then once you've submitted that as a as a wish list we'll come back and our our Development team will take a look at it and we'll either approve it or we'll Put it on the back burner and then these things get voted up and down by the community And so we really follow that and follow the heartbeat of the community when uh, when we're prioritizing our development hours that our our team is looking at we just sort by the highest ranking And kind of go go from there. And then uh, like I mentioned before about some of the distributed computing stuff Um, that's just one of our tools open modeler Supports that distributed computing through condor through a sort of internal setting, but we're really looking at uh Deploying that more uh broadly across um our spaces tool and one cool thing that we have going on cyber infrastructure Wise is that we have what we call the green cloud here at the crc, which is a condor based Computing node that actually the heat from those servers Warm the south bend botanical gardens greenhouses And so we think it'd be kind of a neat way to Integrate those two things together we'd be utilizing these 40 000 cores one chunk of the that being going to something a little bit green as well And with that let's uh, find out what everyone's been waiting for. What's the actual site for the collaboratory? Great question The collaboratory for adaptation to climate change. It's easier to remember. It's adapt dot nd dot edu uh ad apt at dot nd for Notre Dame Dot edu And you can find us at facebook facebook.com slash adaptation Collaboratory where you can sort of keep up to date with all of the things that we're doing across the whole platform And we'd like to connect with Folks that have good ideas because that's what we're in the business of doing Okay with that. Thank you very much for your time. Thanks for your time jessica jason Thank you. Jeff and brock. We really appreciate it. Thanks a bunch


So I'm Richard Alley, I'm Evan Pugh Professor of Geosciences and I'm an associate of the Earth and Environmental Systems Institute at the Pennsylvania State University and University Park. I'm trained as a geologist and also as a material scientist and metallurgical engineer, minor in those, and I work on the great ice sheets and I look at the history of them from ice cores to understand past climate, I look at how they flow and whether they'll flow and fall in the ocean and raise sea level and I look at what they do to landscapes. Right, so I try to use things that work and so I have had fun explaining Milankovitch cycles with me. This is the globe and here's the North Pole and don't ask where the South Pole is and then let's do some things there. But anything that works, right, there is nothing really in climate science that is difficult except maybe the quantum mechanics that underlies the radiative transfer. But there's nothing that's difficult but there's lots of steps and the steps all the way from CO2 as a greenhouse gas to how much we're putting up to all the way to economics and ethics and so on and anything that makes it easier, anything that's engaging enough that people will sit through another step I think is valuable because it's not hard, it's just a big long engaging story. So I had a true wonderful experience making Earth the Operator's Manual. The opportunity to work with Jeff Hainstiles and Erna Kouganow, I mean, did the original cosmos with Girl Sagan. So you know these are people that know what they're doing our first rate and science aficionados, people who understand science and put science out in a good light but come from a storytelling and a history background and so this is something that I think is really valuable. We started the filming in New Zealand and, you know, they dropped me down a crevasse, they sent me bungee jumping and we had this long discussion. Is it right to ask the talent? I'm not talent but in the words of television, I'm the talent. Is it right to ask the talent to jump off a bridge? And we were round and round and round and finally we did the obvious thing which is you get it in the can, which no one has a can for their film anymore but nonetheless you get it in the can and you make up your mind later because right now we're at the bungee jump place and the moment we were done with it we're all, yes that was what we wanted, this was way cool. So we got, we're down there filming on New Year's Eve and we're way in the back of a thermal area at Rota Rua, at Hell's Gate and the people up front locked it up and went off to enjoy New Year's Eve and we couldn't get out because we weren't locked in behind this gate. We're out New Year's Day getting shown around a geothermal plant and I believe the people who were showing us around had maybe been a little bit in their cups the evening before so we had to keep the noise down a little. So I've been very fortunate. I have not been in serious trouble anywhere doing research. We go to places that are potentially scary, high and cold and far and what have you but we've worked really hard on trying to be safe and the people that do ICE generally include a lot of folks who are, came at it as outdoorsmen, outdoors persons, men and women and you get, if you get in trouble there's somebody there that usually knows. There's a fascinating history that a lot of the great glaciologists, their first paper was a description of some conquest of some peak or something out of mountaineering and then you they turn into these brilliant scientists but they're brilliant scientists that love where they're going and what they're doing. I have no idea how I got into science except that I had parents who promoted my interest and I loved collecting rocks I loved going caving and going to national parks and so geology was an obvious major for me. When I got to Ohio State as an undergrad I was looking for a summer job because I needed money and there were two jobs open one was cleaning fossils with a dental pick and the other one was working with the glaciologist and I started working with the glaciologist in Willens, late grade Ian Willens, the summer after my freshman year. I tried a couple of times to get out of it and it never worked so I've been at it for a long time. Much of my work has addressed abrupt climate change or temping points or something like that. It's if you work through the whole scholarship of climate change the sort of economic models say don't worry too much and they sort of say don't worry too much because there's these very strong economic assumptions. Economic growth goes on and it won't stop for anything and your grandchildren are going to be incredibly wealthier than you are and wealth gives you the power to solve all problems.  Now this is a really important thing because even if you assume that the economy can grow forever even if you assume that wealth solves all problems and investments now will allow your grandchildren and their grandchildren to solve the problems we still are not in a position which is optimal for making us wealthiest we still would be better off economically across all the scholarship if we did something about this now okay our policies are not optimal to make us wealthiest but suppose the climate change is fast or suppose a rapid a slower climate change causes something else to change fast like the Brazilian rainforest goes boo or the ice sheet collapses or something and those are the sort of tipping points it's very clear that if you push slowly on the climate a lot of the things that we have built hit sudden thresholds either the city is hiding behind the levy and the water stays just below the levy during the storm or just above and that little change can make a huge difference to whether your city is livable or not the next few weeks and so we know those are out there we're also worried about things in the physical system and in particular the one I worry about is whether the West End Arctic ice sheet will fall in the ocean and there's been a paper a good colleague of mine very good scientists that said we may have already committed to more than three meters of sea level rise from west Antarctica if we haven't we're pretty close to it and the scholarship strong on that well it's it's frustrating right because there shouldn't be a serious role for politics in climate science in my opinion the science is science and it was right the first time I ever testified to a subcommittee of the U.S. Senate was 12 years ago and it was chaired by a Republican who was about to introduce a bill that was going to put a price on changing the climate through carbon emissions and I personally think that he was just a little bit unhappy with me because I was not scarier about the threats I was being very careful and measured and this is that long ago and so so the idea that somehow your your politics that you're on this side or that side means that you do or don't believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas there is a little bit of that now but it's a very very recent thing and it's the thing that I think that I hope can disappear again so the difference between climate change and global warming I use the terms I use both terms climate can change for lots of reasons we humans are certainly the biggest one now but nature certainly has mattered nature will matter global warming is sort of shorthand for us raising CO2 and some other changes that that cause warming but it's it's a nice convenient shorthand but it occasionally confuses people who haven't thought really deeply because they think well everywhere has to warm and in fact it is possible while you're warming that it does something like that and some places may see a little bit of cooling for a while on the way so I use both terms and you try to pick the one that is is most suited for the topic you're you're hitting right now there are people who are trying to make a big deal about which term you use and I'm afraid I think that's a little bit on the silliness side so how one responds to misconceptions about climate change I think depends a lot on the setting and it depends a lot on the person there's no scheme for communications that reaches everyone what reaches me and what reaches a senator and different senators will be different and I am going to listen more easily to some voices than the others I try very hard to listen to all but we all have knobs in our head somewhere that we can't get past there are people that I'm a professor I have initials after my name if I wanted to put them there and there's some people who say wow you must know what you're talking about that I will listen to you and there are other people say oh come on doesn't that prove that you don't know anything about the real world and so I won't listen to you and so it's very clear that communication to everyone requires a lot of us and it requires a lot of different voices one thing we learned from earthy operators manual we had a summative evaluation we had people who ask viewers what reached you what didn't reach you and people that I reached it's fine but people that I didn't reach listen very carefully to a rear admiral in his dress whites is a very different voice telling the same story climate change in the really short term is expensive but not hugely so and as the climate change gets bigger as we look farther into the future the price goes up the damages go up very crudely each degree of warming costs more than the previous degree the first degree was almost in the noise of what we were used to it it's not very expensive but we've used that one and the second degree will cost a little more it's moving outside of your experience it's starting to stress things and we've committed to that one very broadly the third degree costs more than the second and by the fourth and the fifth now sea level rise is going to get huge we have real problems with crops which may be bumping up against biochemical limits and the ability to feed ourselves gets a little bit worrisome and so by the time you start running to the third the fourth the fifth degree the costs of damages the dangers go way up but we're arguing now about the third degree because we've basically we've warmed almost all of the first one and we really have committed to the second one communicating this is absolutely essential I think that the maybe the most powerful thing is that using the science will make us better off this is not just about doing right it is not just about doing the ethical thing it is not just about buying insurance against disasters it's also about how do we end up do we end up healthy wealthy and wise or do we end up poor and in trouble there's a fantastic good news story here and that's not one that we always hear but we are the first generation in the history of humanity that can say we know how to build an energy system that will power everyone essentially forever and we have we burned through the trees where we had trees until there were no trees left and we burned them way faster than they grew back we burned through the whales so we could light the evening with whale oil lamps until the oceans were depleted of whales we've been hunter-gatherers of energy while we've been farmers of food and we now know for the first time how to solve that and we know how to get off of the treadmill how to get off of the problem and build a system that will work and we know from the scholarship of global warming of climate change the whole thing that embarking on this path makes us better off and that story is not well told but as a communicated probably the toughest situation i was ever in i once did a debate on the reality of global warming with a prominent skeptic and i was young and naive and i went in and laid out the science and the other person said things that we do not accept as being their mainstream science and said about 30 of them in a five minute opening statement and one i know what to do with two i know what to do with 30 now we're just going to sit there and argue until it ends and this problem that we don't in a public forum a debate is a horrible thing because it's so easy to cause rank confusion that if one does what's sometimes called a gish gallop you put out 30 things that are wrong the audience now is just going to hear arguments and this will prove to their minds somehow that there are two sides and that they're hearing an argument from the two sides maybe the biggest mistake in all of the public communications on this is this idea that somehow there's scientists and there's people who aren't worried about climate change and that that's both sides and the science is the middle and we know that maybe because science has real uncertainties things may be a little better than we scientists think so it may be on the don't worry side and it may be a little on the the worry more side we simply don't see any way that changing the climate a lot with co2 in a hurry is going to turn the world into the garden of Eden and we do see ways that you can cause horrible problems and so the uncertainties are the science a little better a little worse a lot worse and what are we doing we're having this argument between the science and don't worry and saying look we heard both sides no absolutely unequivocally not if you wanted a scientist to argue against someone it probably should be an environmentalist because there's a bigger difference than those two or you could have the don't worry argue with the environmentalist and the science is the middle it's not one side we scientists do know where our funding comes from we try to do research which is um responding to the that is the tires of our funding agencies and if the government says we as the federal government would like to know about acts we try to do the research to tell them just in terms of total money if one were to compare the biggest corporations tend to be fossil fuel things often they they're not poor um our impression as scientists is that if we were were really really interested in money there would probably be other ways to do it um the structure of science think for a minute about newton and einstein suppose that einstein had stood up and said i have worked very hard and i have discovered that newton got everything right and i have nothing to add would anyone ever know who einstein was and scientists at some level have to have a little bit of ego the job description is very clear it is learn what nobody else knows and if you you look at that and say all i want to do is cheer for other people you're probably not going into that field and if you go in that field there's a little bit of ego to learn what nobody else knows and we've all got it however well we tamp it down and the idea that we wouldn't want to be einstein if we could overturn global warming if we could prove that ceo toe was not a greenhouse gas if we could prove that we can burn all we want and not worry about it how exciting would that be how wonderful how many prizes how many people would invite me out to give talks if i could prove that you didn't have to worry about this is there any possibility the tens of thousands of scientists there isn't one of them that's got the ego to do that it's absurd it's absolutely unequivocally absurd we're people and we've got it in us the way people do and the fact that nature pushes us to the reality that co2 is a greenhouse gas it's real there's nothing we can do about it global warming from our co2 is physics we put up 40 000 pounds of co2 per person per year in the us 20 tons in brown numbers and the physics behind that causing warming are the same physics that the air force used to put sensors on heat-seeking missiles and in some really fundamental sense if you deny the global warming effect of our co2 you are claiming the air force doesn't know what to put on their heat-seeking missiles it's absurd there's history here in that i i ended up giving a talk at one point old dominion had um i forget the name of it but they had all of their freshmen take a class and i went down and taught this class for one day and it was in the um basketball stadium and they were really gung-ho about no you can't have this serif type you just gotta be sand serif and they liked this one they thought this was pretty cool that the students would would see it and enjoy it and if you're you're talking to them and they're in the basketball stadium right what do you do with that so denis darby had invited me down and i got it and then i just stuck with it because it was in the interest is an unexpected one right and and so that's i've always stayed with it because it is unexpected and gives people a different look it's very easy to read um as odd as it is actually at least it's a lot of passions from people i know in fact apparently there is a thing out there somewhere on twitter or facebook or something that is a flowchart about the use of comic satans ms with your name in the middle i've seen that yeah we'll flash up a shot of that okay so but it was a piece of history that somebody had said you can't use the fonts you're using you have to get huge type and when you get huge type in these blocky things it's it doesn't look nice and so this one would be a nice one and i just stuck with it then


When the narcissist is obsessed with you when the narcissist first targeted you They love bummed you They made you feel special They made you feel wanted and This went on for a little while But then it wasn't long Until they began to devalue you Because you were around them and For anyone you don't really want something when you already have it It's more when you're pursuing it when you're chasing after it When you don't know If it's yours That's what creates Desire is when it's not actually in your possession If you already have it Then you don't tend to want and desire it unless you lose it and of course this is Far more extreme with narcissists so When they lose you they do tend to become obsessed I mean a lot of narcissists don't really have anything Going on in their lives anyway so There's not really anything else for them to Occupy themselves with they just end up chasing after you and That's not to take anything away from you, but normal people tend to have other commitments Things where they are developing themselves and improving their lives But narcissists just all revolves around attention So yeah When you pull away from the narcissist They will often become obsessed It's like their desire for you will come back again Because like I said you don't really Desire something if you already have it Desire comes from the lack The not having something which is why Not just narcissists, but even people in general They do take for granted a lot of the things that they have or at least until someone points it out to them and Validates them then maybe They may start to realize the value of it, but yeah when we have things we don't tend to value them as much It's just there We take it for granted Which is why it's so important to be grateful and practice gratitude every day For the things that we have Narcissus of course are not grateful They're not appreciative of anything you do That is until you walk away and sometimes they will even go right back to the love bombing As soon as you leave them, but whatever you do Please do not mistake it for genuine love and affection Don't think that they miss you or that they love you it really has nothing to do with you It's just this fantasy that they created in their heads When they first targeted you they thought this is it this is the one This is the person who's going to save me and change my life And then it was just a matter of time until they realized that you're not perfect You make mistakes You have imperfections just like everyone else they got involved with Everyone they tried to tear down Everyone they discarded Everyone who got fed up of them They just throw you in the bucket with all of the rest of them You're just the same as everyone else unless sometimes When you walk away When you're the one to discard them Their obsession can return but even then it still has nothing to do with you It's Jill still just the fantasy again and Yeah, it's just all about their ego It's all about Feeling important Feeling like they matter to someone they're seeking attention They're seeking validation Now that's all there really is So yeah, just don't mistake it for love Or as though they actually care about you Because trust me they don't They can't really even see you all they see is these fantasies Which you may have been unaware of Which you were not participating in and I know you may feel flattered by it but It's really Nothing to do with you at all. So you have to separate yourself from it. I Mean, I know we all want to feel loved and wanted But that's not what this is I mean if you look at it, they don't even want you anyway It's just the security and stability The benefits and conveniences The supply That's all they really want So yeah, keep that in mind Just looking out at this beautiful view Of the city Feeling blessed Just to be living my life It really is a miracle Thank you all for joining me On another narc survivor live video hit that thumbs up button If you enjoyed it And I will talk to you in another one very soon


Today I'm going to show you guys the most valuable pair of sneakers in my shoe collection. I have been collecting sneakers for over 15 years now and have owned well over a thousand pairs of shoes throughout the years. And now that I'm on YouTube, a lot of people ask me, DJ, what are your most expensive shoes? As some of you know, I'm from Oregon, so typically people see Oregon Duck PE's and they think these are my most valuable shoes. But guess what? They're not. Neither are my Air Jordan 6 UNC PE's or my Swarovski Crystal Nike Dunk SB's that I wore to my wedding. Some people may think it's the Ray Allen 12's my first ever PE in my collection or the Off White Chicago one. This is a $10,000 shoe. And some people even think it's the red October that I wore to my college graduation. But guess what? These ain't it either. So that was just a small glimpse of what is inside my sneaker collection. But if you didn't know by now, my name is DJ and this is The DNA Show. On this channel, I love talking about sneakers and helping people grow their collections and turning that hobby into a full-time hustle. So if you haven't already, consider subscribing and joining the fam. We're on the road to a million subscribers and you could be the next one to get us there. As most of the DNA fam knows, we always talk about the history first before we crack open the box and show the shoes. So you know what that means. Let's take it back to 2013 when I first purchased this shoe. I'll never forget this time because I had just moved from Boston. I was going to college out there playing football and I've decided to transfer to Foothill College in the Bay to play one Juco season and then go get a D1 scholarship. I had moved out there to live with my friends and we were all some of the best athletes on the team. We literally did everything together to hold each other to a higher standard so that way we could all advance to go to get D1 scholarships. And I'm sure at this point in the video, you're probably asking me the question. DJ, why are you telling me about this? I'm trying to give you guys a little bit of context to let you guys know where I was at in life and how the shoe came about and then hopefully you can see why the shoe shot up so much in value. So during that time, we had a lot of sneakers releasing and Jordan Brand honestly wasn't doing their thing. There were a lot of terrible releases, good colorways, but the quality just wasn't there. Nike basketball doing its thing with Kobe LeBron and KD and especially with the penny harder ways that were popping up on the scene, a lot of dope colorways. So hopefully that gives you a little bit more context of me and the sneakers that were coming out during that era and obviously everything that you saw through the photos that I popped up.  It's crazy to this day to even think about it and I'm excited to open up this box because I've never shown you guys these shoes before and I have never been able to tell my story about how I got these shoes and all that stuff. So now it's time to crack this box open. So as you can see right here, you have an all over Nike sports wear box. There's no label on it because this was actually an older sample box. So it just has some scribbling on here and I use this as a replacement box because I ended up getting rid of the box of these when I first got them because I used to actually wear these and then these things went up crazy in value and I'm going to tell you why. As you can see, we have the box open. Let's look at the shoes. This right here is the triple black Nike Zoom Reavis trainer. Now I'm sure a lot of you are very confused on how this could be the most valuable sneaker in my collection. I'm going to tell you, like I said earlier, 2013 was a transitional year for me pursuing my D1 scholarship coming from a high level D2 school out in Boston. I'll never forget when I moved back home from Boston for a split second just to pack my stuff up to move to Cali. I went to the Nike employee store and I picked up this pair of shoes right here. Retail on them was like 130 bucks or something like that. And I ended up getting them at the ES. So that means there were only like 60 bucks or something. I don't remember exactly what the price was, but that doesn't even matter right now. As soon as I got this shoe, I put these on my feet and I was wearing these every single day. I used to train in them. I used to wear them for leisure. I just love this shoe. I low key should have bought two pairs of them shortly after purchasing these, I moved down to the Bay and I wore these to practice every single day on my way to the gym. And then obviously not at practice on the field, but walking to the field and then coming from the locker room and everything like that. So why does any of this even matter? Today is May 28th and on this day was the day that I was wearing these shoes when I almost lost my life. Now I'm going to tell you guys this story based off of what I remember and what the doctors told me after the accident. It was another ordinary day and we were on our way to football practice like typical, you know me running late, making my PB and J had to hop in the car because everybody else is waiting for me and it's time to go. Like I said earlier, I was living at my friend's house when I moved to the Bay, so all five of us rode together every single day to practice. During this time, I was still running my business, selling shoes online, going to class, playing football. And I remember taking a phone call as we left the house. So I was on the phone for the majority time of the ride. And no, I was not the driver. I was in the back passenger seat of the car. I'll never forget being on the phone with my friends over at Dunk Exchange for all my OGs out there. Going to Dunk Exchange used to be really, really fun and it used to be really popping as well. So I was booking my table, making sure I was set for the following month because I had planned on setting up a booth. And I was on the phone with them, making sure everything was OK and paid for. As we were in the middle of the conversation, a car was coming from the right side. We were merging over from the left side on the fast lane because we're getting close to our exit. And I remember seeing the car really, really close to me right here. And I immediately just dropped the phone, grabbed the handle and I said, Oh, from that point, the whole screen went black. I don't remember anything for at least a few months of my life. And at this point, I'm going to tell you guys stories from things that were told to me based off of what happened. The driver of the car that I was in didn't see the car on the right. It must have been in a blind spot and it was a complete accident. So he overcompensated back to the left, which then caused the SUV that we were in to teeter totter because it was overcompensating, which turned the wheel after the car teeter tottered, it then rolled down the freeway, flipping about five to seven times. It was a single car accident and he didn't hit the car on the side of him as he tried to veer away from him. As the car was tumbling down the freeway, my friend in the seat behind the driver's seat didn't have his seat belt on and he flew through the sunroof and was over a hundred feet away from the car after the car stopped flipping.  During this whole process, I was wearing this pair of sneakers right here after the car stopped flipping and I got out of the car. I only had one shoe on my feet. I don't know how it happened, but my left foot got really messed up and my shoe must have came off during that process and it looked like I stuck my foot in a blender. My other shoe and cell phone was somewhere on the freeway and it was actually crazy because they found my cell phone and they brought it to the hospital to me a couple days later and that is something that I do remember now. At least I think I remember it because I remember them telling me about that over and over again. Like you was looking for your phone and so many people were calling you and all this stuff. But anyways, back to the story. So I collapsed on the freeway. I'm covered in blood all over my face. My eyebrow is cut open. My ear is split at the top end and I have three big gashes in my back. One of our football coaches was also on his way to practice and he was on the same freeway because that's naturally where you go to get to the school. He ended up actually being just behind us on the freeway without even knowing and when he saw the accident he realized it was all of his players on the freeway. So he hopped out of the car to make sure that we were all okay and that the ambulance was coming soon. By the time that the ambulance got there they found that me and the guy that flew out of the sunroof had some of the most damage and we had to be rushed to the hospital immediately. Obviously everybody in the accident did have to go to the hospital but we had different traumas and because of our brain injuries and the things that happened to us we were separated and all at different hospitals. So I ended up at the hospital. I'm really bad. I have short term memory loss. I can't do anything. I can't function. I'm basically like a vegetable. My parents immediately fly out as soon as they hear about the accident and they're sitting in there with me at the hospital hoping that I'll be okay. I needed help with literally everything. I needed help going to the bathroom. I needed help brushing my teeth. I needed help with everything. And my parents, my parents were there for me. And I love them and I thank them. And I love them and I thank them so much for always being there for me. This is why I've had a hard time making this video. This is why I had a hard time making this video because I wanted to tell this story about these parachutes right here. Every time I look at this pair of shoes, no matter how much the value is of all these shoes in my room, all this stuff I have, all this stuff I have, it doesn't matter. It does not matter. Some of the cheapest shoes in my collection mean the most to me. And I'm thankful that I can tell this story that I can show you my favorite pair of shoes, the shoes that I don't care about the dollar value. It doesn't matter. There's more to all of this stuff. And it sucks sometimes seeing this hype and all this stuff. And I get it. I love this stuff too. I love speakers so much. But when I think about my favorite shoes, it's about the sentimental value. It's about what the shoes mean to me. And all these shoes have their own meanings. Some may be less than others. It can be a small story. It can be a big story. It can be a short story. It can be a long story. It doesn't matter. They all got their meanings. They all got their values. I'm trying my hardest to tell this story as best as I can. At the end of the day, this is the most valuable sneaker in my collection. Everyone lived from the car accident. There was a car accident in the same exact spot months after ours. And everyone passed away from that accident. Similar same exact accident. I'm thankful for everybody that has been with me along this process that know about my story. That remember that day. So many people calling me, showing up at my parents house, making sure I was okay through my recovery process. All my friends and family. I appreciate y'all. Y'all know that. When I try to tell everybody as much as I can. I try to tell y'all. So I'm sorry. This is me. This is who I am. I love shoes. Yes. But I love my family. And I love them being here for me. And taking care of me. And making sure that I got both of my shoes back. Because one of them could have been missing. And the story wouldn't have been as sweet. So I'm just, this is it. If you guys want to hear more about the story. The recovery process. My mental, my physical health. All of it. Let me know. I was in a very, very bad place. And I made it through. I couldn't read or write. I couldn't write a sentence. They wanted me to try to finish college. Right after the accident and I was in the hospital. I couldn't even complete a whole sentence, let alone write a paragraph. I was struggling. I was struggling. I was definitely struggling. I went through a lot of phases. When people say, oh, they don't know about why I sold so many shoes. Why I sold so many shoes, not just for the houses. There was times where I sold the shoes because I didn't want to care about anything anymore. But the shoes, the shoes was something that I liked. It was fun. I made money from it. It was literally my hobby turned into my hustle. Just like the program that I have. It's the hobby to hustle. It's what all came through me. This is me. This is all me. I love this stuff. I have a great time. I don't know what else to say at this point. I feel like we're getting to the end of the video. I gotta clean myself up and get right. Y'all know I'm happy. I'm thankful. You say I bring you guys so much joy in these videos because I have so much fun doing this stuff. Every year, I want to make a video about this. May 28th. Let me speak on it real quick. Also, another shoe that I love, rose red to me.  This is a whole nother story right here. But the reason why I say that is because May 28th is on the back of this shoe as well. And after I recovered from the car accident, this was a pair of shoes that I wore every single day to be comfortable in my recovery and represent the day. And me and the other guy that got in the car accident that had the bad brain injury and everything, he lived and he made it through. And we worked hard together. Me and him, we motivated each other and we both had a pair of shoes just like this. We both made a pair with the May 28th on the back and we wore them every day together when we reunited. So this is a whole nother story. I'll get into this one later and hopefully I can get him on the channel. If he comes on the channel, it would be dope to tell this story. If you guys wanna see that, drop a comment down below. I'll try to get a story for you guys about us and him and our recovery and our mental health and everything. I'm thankful, I appreciate it. May 28th is like my birthday all over again. It's a day that I celebrate life. It's a day that I say thank you. Today is that day. I made sure I wanted to post this video today. So this is me, my name is DJ. Oh man, this is great. This is great. I said I was gonna do this. I told him, I'm gonna do this. I'm giving y'all me, this is me. So my name is DJ, I'm signing out. I got to go, I'm going. Peace.  I did it, I did it.