The rice is boring, this is how you make it exciting. I'm in New York when I crave for Filipino food. First thing you go through is go to Woodside. You'll always see something interesting in Queens. Oh! Ready, not a buzz, we all side. Welcome everybody to a special Filipino episode of Fung Bros. Food. Today we're out in Little Manila, Woodside Queens. We are here with none other than Coast to Coast Filipino, Ryan Benson. What's up guys, it's so good to see you. I'm so excited today guys, I'm showing you where I grew up, right here under Roosevelt Station in Little Manila guys. So you grew up in this area as a child? Yes, I used to walk here from 58th and Broadway where my Lola lives, and we would walk here every single day to pick up Ihawan, crispy bata, barbecue pork. I know that this area is fighting for the legal representation to be called Little Manila right now, right? Out in LA you have historic Filipino town, and given that, I definitely believe that this street right here, given the history and the culture with all the Filipino immigrants, definitely deserves a designation as Little Manila. All right, so you know we covered a lot of Filipino food out in Manhattan, but we had to come to the source, come to the traditional area.  I will tell you this, every time I'm in Queens, I always see some stuff where I'm like, man, that's pretty interesting. Woodside Queens, Little Manila, let's go. Hey, what's going on everybody? I know we're eating some pork in that video, but I gotta tell you about plant-based pork. Yes, you heard it, and that brings us to our sponsor of today, Omni Foods. They are Asia's number one leading plant-based meat brand and they are now making it to the States. They're in sprouts and whole foods nationwide, so click on that link down below to find one. All right, so Omni has a whole diverse product line with a lot of different types of meat, but I'm gonna be showing you two quick recipes with the luncheon meat, aka spam. You know what it is, spam over rice and kimchi jjigae. Omni pork luncheon is a healthier alternative to spam as it's rich in protein, provides a lot of calcium, potassium, and dietary fiber with zero milligrams of cholesterol. They're 50% less sodium and no added nitrates. All Omni Food products are non-GMO certified. I'm just so happy this Hong Kong brand is now being sold in a ton of stores here. I mean, look at it. It looks and cooks just like spam. I cannot wait to try the other products. Wow, it's actually meatier than spam. It tastes almost like a mixture between beef and spam and it's a lot less salty. Listen, I know spam is good, but Omni luncheon pork is coming through with the flavor. It's more healthy, less sodium, and it still gives you that same vibe. So I'm telling you, you've got to check it out. And your sprouts and whole foods, it's worth a shot. If, you know, you're looking for a plant-based alternative. All right, you guys, we've arrived here at Ihuan and you're Ms. Jackie, right? Yes, I am. And you're the daughter of the owner here? Yeah. Can you tell us about the spot? Well, my parents started this 27 years ago and we just started with really like the pork and the chicken barbecue. I'm sure you know that. It became so popular really quickly that we've expanded the menu and actually expanded the place about two times. I know definitely Ishbama and Iskblola. Wow. So you remember Ryan when he was a kid? Oh, yes. You were the host of kids. I was your mom. This gigantic platter has arrived on a banana leaf here at Ihuan. Yeah, so Ihuan, they brought up the big guns for us. I mean, we got the staples here. We have the crispy pata, we have the barbecue pork, the barbecue chicken, the garlic rice, the pancit, the karikare with the bagaong. The crispy pata here is Milolo's favorite crispy pata. I used to come here all the time to have it with him. And if you guys didn't know, crispy pata is fried pork knuckles. Oh my God. Any type of pork knuckle, man. Barbecue chicken. Mmm. Oh man. I love that char. That's really strong. That's some of the better barbecue chicken I've had in a while, bro. It has like this nice little sweet flavor and then the charcoal really comes out. Barbecue pork. My grandma would come to Ihuan and would come back with a stack of like 20 of these because my cousins and I all grew up in one house and we would all clamor for the barbecue pork skewers. I'm telling you, this is like the best Filipino barbecue you can have. This is good. Shanghai lumpia. That crazy. That is one of the best lumpia I ever had. This is my favorite lumpia.  Yo Ryan, so when we're talking about the region of Pampangas, it actually sounds like now that I realize it, a lot of the restaurant owners are from Pampangas. So, Pampangas is known for the best food in the Philippines. And so when you look at restaurants, you know, out here in Woodside or in LA or wherever you are, the majority of them, at least the good ones, are gonna be from Pampanga. Pampanga seasick. The thing I love about seasick, the pigs now, the cheek, the jowl, the best parts of the pig, the fattiest parts, all in one dish. Alright you guys, we have two really different dishes, the kare kare and then the pancit, right? The pancit has a little bit more of the Chinese influence, but I feel like this is pure, you know, island. Kare kare, I believe, is one of the only peanut butter dishes, I would say, in Asia. You don't really see that many stews that have peanut butter. And it has oxtail, which is one of those ingredients that really need to cook for a while.  You forgot. The bago. Oh, the bago. You guys got to do one thing to really make me happy, and let's try this avocado shake. You swear by this avocado shake? I swear by it, it is my favorite drink. Okay, I could see why.  The avocado has already been blended with something sweet already, so I thought it was going to be straight up, just raw avocado with that very healthy vibe to it. The avocado has already been desertified. As far as traditional Filipino restaurants I've been to, this is the best one. Right, I'm so glad we got to come here. Not only is it dear to you, but actually the food lived up to it. What a great start to our journey. Yeah, man, I'm happy that you guys gave me the opportunity to show this place to you. It means so much to me, and thank you guys. All right, moving on to our next spot that's right around the corner. It is Casina, and introducing the new spot, we got Harry B from the Bronx. What's up? Hey guys. Harry B, you're from the Bronx originally, but you lived in the Philippines for a number of years, right? Yeah, so I lived in the Philippines for six years. The nursing school, like every other kid that wants to get a better education, from numb chiefs. But the quality of care is the same, right? If you would have... The quality of care, I mean, don't count. There's mad Filipinos in the house. That was not authentic representation of a nursing staff in Gray's Anatomy. It was not. We got to get into Casina because, Brian, I heard that they have some really unique looking dishes, right? Yo, so Casina is really famous for this gigantic calamari that hangs from this little skewer thing. I'm so excited to try it. I love squid. I don't know about you guys, but... It kind of looks like something out of a movie, right? Yeah, it kind of looks like this little alien-looking thing. Well, let's check it out, man. We got to check it out, Casina. It's more like bar music and a bit of dancing. We do a lot of Filipino kind of songs here now. So during the ninth time, we're going to have fun, enjoy like now. And also, we serve the local Filipino here. So basically, you'll feel like you're in the Philippines. Do you have red horse here? We have red horse. Okay, all right, guys, are we going out in the Philippines tonight? We're going out tonight. We're going out in Manila. I guess if we were at a nightlife place, we got to sing a karaoke song. I'm still some cover chef, some skit. I need my beer. Glasses shawting us in a moment. Don't forget about your twist of it. They're both your I-min. It's a good morning and never want to leave. Guys, we're at our number two spot. What are we looking at? Yo, so we got the Kalamari gigante here. It is like nothing I've ever seen before. It's almost like an alien predator type thing meets KFC. This is like a real squid game. This is the real squid game right here. Yo, tell me that doesn't look like KFC ready, no real thing. Dude, it was some of the tentacles were falling off and I was just like, yo, this is like crazy. What I think is cool about Christina is that it's trying to recreate Filipino nightlife, right? Like the stuff that you would see in Manila. Gigantic Kalamari. This is Filipino bar food and it's fine. It's got a dip dash in vinegar. The breading on this is so crispy. It's so fried and the vinegar complements it perfectly. It helps cut through that fattiness, that real richness of the fried. So Terry, you're familiar going to these Filipino bar spots, right? So like back in the day when I was going to nursing school, we used to go to the spot called Central. It's like, it's not really low-key because it's mad packed and there's like picnic tables everywhere and everybody drinks. Everybody gets like seasick, things like that. So it's more like, this is like bar, drinking food, something you can like peek-a-peek-a, that's what we call it, you eat with your hands.  Like that, I would eat with my hands. The squid, I would eat with my hands. Peek-a-peek-a, like Pikachu. Yeah, it was like that. Peek-a-peek-a, computer with Pikachu. You guys gotta get down on the cheese muscles. Do you know what's different? You know what's different? They use cheddar cheese, but it's sharp cheddar. Here's the cheese, you're so perfect with it. You gotta have a nice, sharp cheese to kind of stand up to the flavor of like the sauce. Okay, we are here with Filipino bar food expert, Carrie. What are we looking at? Because you were insisting that we get the garlic rice or white rice with this dish. So honestly, what you gotta do is you gotta take this and you gotta smother all that sauce with your rice. Take a little bit of shrimpy, you know what I'm saying? And this is shrimp with salted egg yolk, right? Yes, so all of it, it's like sweet, savory, creamy. You were saying that this dish to you sort of like embodies the whole Filipino flavor palette. You know what? Every Filipino dish, I feel like it's very distinct, but they all have to carry like a lot of flavor, like things like that, like you have to, because the rice, if the rice is boring, this is how you make it exciting. Your entree, you gotta make it exciting with this. Like everything gotta have salsa. You gotta have salsa on it, that's like to soak up. I don't know how to say it, it's like you soak up the rice and things like that. With the sauce. With the sauce. Juice, juice is temporary. Sauce, the sauce is forever. All right you guys, this is the salted egg yolk shrimp. They do it really good here. And you get that like coconut flavor with the salted egg yolk. It's a nice like flavor balance. Wow, oh man. You know what's good when you want to eat the shell. All right you guys, this spot has a lot of new desserts. Traditional, but I think the presentation is like. A little fusion. A little new, I wouldn't say fusion, but a little new age. Right here, we have my favorite Filipino dessert. We have toron, which is plantains, and sometimes jackfruit wrapped in an egg wrapper, and then fried. We got the bico, right? Kind of looks like a toffee pudding. So they actually make it in the banana leaves, like the rice, the sticky rice, and then they have like round sugar things like that. And I guess they put it on a sizzling plate, just to keep the like the hotness with the ice cream. That should, that's, I've never seen this before. They do the toron really nice here. The wrapper is actually super thin. So a lot of what you get is just the plantain. It's so good. Yo, this kind of a, yeah, does taste a little bit Spanish with the plantain. It's essentially like a madoro inside of an egg roll wrapper with ice cream on top. It's actually really, really good. Oh, that might be one of the best things I ate today. Bring the bico, bico. I'm bringing it back. David, don't get hit with the bico. Oh, you got a bico charge. That's what you guys are saying? They got a bico charge. No, everybody was like, what? I caught the federal's bico. Sorry. I was like, wait, what's going on? All right, you guys, we're wrapping it up. We just had like the ultra traditional food where there was a lot of like grandmothers there at Ihuan. Then we came here. It was lit like Manila 2021. Where are we off to next? We're about to hit the philand market and see what little goodies we can procure. All right, so the next spot we got to go to, I heard that you guys just told me it's like the Filipino market. In fact, it's called Phil Am. So literally I've been going to this spot since I was like basically born.  But you probably ran into each other as kids here, but you guys just didn't know each other. I'm 94. I'm 93. Why? You're about the same age. I'm sorry, sorry. And you're both mixed Filipino. You're half Irish, half Filipino. You're half Bronx, half Filipino. You're ready to know the vibes. We all side. All right, yo, John John came through, man. Yeah, what's up, New York City?  Manila all day, baby. John John, what do you know about Phil Am market here on the corner in Woodside? So Phil Am has been here for many, many decades even before I was here in New York. I'm originally from the Philippines, came out too. I'm pushing that old age. But say he's been here about roughly about four to five decades taken through. Pretty much this is the staple for people to come and get their Filipino needs, their food. If you want to wire money, you can either wire here across from the Filipino bank or even here itself. So pretty much mom and pops all grew from here itself. If you go up in New York and see Woodside for what it is, pretty much it attains this real Filipino culture and value starting here. All right, guys, we are inside Phil Am market right now. What are we looking at? So if you go into Phil Am market, when you would care, you're going to look to the left because they got all the chips here. This is designed for the children. You have the prawn crackers right here. You got the cracklings. Nah, I got to see, where's the piatto? Oh, those were fire going on. You got to see. I used to put these on my fingers like they were rigged.   All right, so right here, we have the bakery section. You have ensaimada, you have pandesal. Yo, I remember eating these at Krista Cobb's house all the time. I think I might have to get one of these. This was my favorite pandesal growing up.  Oh man, it is heaven. So Christmas in like the Philippines, they call it the Burma.  All the Burma, that's when we start coming out with these pearls. So because it starts getting cold, so they'd be like Burr. If you've ever been to a Filipino's house, you'll see this bottle everywhere in their house. Suka Vinegar. This specific brand, you put it on everything. This is the OG Wallace, or the OG weapons that your mom used to beat you with. Buru, that's the one that all the comedians always talk about? Yup, this is the one. This is the one. Is this like a broom or what is this? It's a broom, it's made out of bamboo, shredded bamboo.  This is not fun to get hit by. But it gets in all the crevices. This is my Lolo's favorite snack. This is a Tito Al Chicharrones. You take this, you put in a little bit of Suka. It is delectable, guys, you gotta try this. All right, you guys, I got the Ube and Samada. You got these chashu vows, right? The Filipino sea vows. Sea vows with asado. And then we got the Ube Butter Crackers, right? Dried mango. You said number two exporter in the world, right? These are literally my favorite things, my favorite desserts. I don't know what to say, but I know how to grow, I think they're all American, but I mean, I'm both. My father speaks Tagalog, growing up, you know. And that's all, you know, he didn't know English coming over here. And I spoke to him in both languages.  You know what I'm saying? Scarf Berks from my Philippines, I hear. So all the Filipinos out there, come long Dito, support your Filipino voice. What it is. They want to see what Balot is.  I need the Baloo. Yes, I need that, you're gonna get it. Two Baloo. Just one, you won't get hard. Oh, man, you went with the knuckles. Oh snap. Ready? You went too much. Add some juice in there. Whoa, here we go, here we go, stop. Baby. In the mouth, here we go, here we go.   It's starting to wrap up, but we got like one or two more spots, man. Where's the next one? This one we're going to Purple Dough, let's go, baby. All right, you guys, we're at Purple Dough, we're with Mike, we're going to Purple Dough, we're a Filipino-American bakery. What are your most famous dishes? Well, it's the Ube Leche Van, I hope you guys can come in and check it out, it's a half-bun, half-cake kind of thing. All right, you guys, Purple Dough, Mark, please break down for us what we're looking at. We have the Ube Cupcake here, our signature item, the Ube Leche Van, the half-lateral cupcake, and we got our cake donuts here. It's a cake-based donut, a dough donut, and we have the coconut pandan, that will be obviously with the toasted rice for a coffee event, and the calamansi, which is a Filipino lemon one. Oh! The calamansi cake donut. Calamansi donut. Guys, if you didn't know, calamansi is a fruit native to the Philippines or Southeast Asia. It's kind of like a lime, lemon mix. It's very small, and it's like super, super tart. Last spot on this little Manila Crawl, we actually went outside a little bit of Woodside, we are right inside of Sunny Side, which is right next to Woodside, and we're outside of Tito Rads. Tito Rads is known to do an elevated traditional Filipino food. They have really good sinigang, it's really known for.  I hear a lot of people talk about this spot, so let's go in. All right guys, so this is the first dish at our new spot, Tito Rads, it was established in 2006. This dish is called ukoi. Ukoi is like a fried assortment of vegetables, kind of like super potato cassava mung, and it's in a rice batter, and it gets super, super crispy, and then you put like a version of sukkah on it. Key to this too, it also has small shrimp in it. Ukoi. Take a look at what we got here. There's sprouts inside, usually I've never had deep fried bean sprouts.  All right you guys, all the dishes have arrived here at Tito Rads. This is like the new hot spot, all the Filipino foodies talk about it. That's what we're looking at. We have sinigang, bamboy over here, we have deep-fried, like stress, goat, kind of like calderedda, as well as a jackfruit, shrimp, kind of, laing. So this spot is gonna be, what, a little bit more like a higher end, higher quality, or trying to be like a little bit fancier. I think this spot is just more well known. Everybody comes here to bring like their family friends, come over here, because the food is so good here. But we're not in Filipino town anymore. We kind of went like one mile, and then we reached here. So this is outside of the immediate Little Manila. And it kind of goes to show like, even though we're a mile out from Little Manila, the kitchen was slammed with orders. Not just people sitting in here, but people ordering. So that's how you know this place is legit. So I like to dump my rice actually inside the soup, because it just. You don't do that too. All right.  Cinegong, here at Tito Reds. Oh man, that tamarind comes out really nicely in the cinegong. So sour. The meat's super tender. And then the vegetables are also really well cooked. And rainy day, and it's cold. It comes from Bicol, obviously. Bicol is our city. And then over here, we've got a goat curry, Andrew, this looks like it could be from a number of cultures, Vietnam, Jamaica. Yo, I just want to say like, I've had a lot of Filipino food. I've never had the spicy goat dish. Okay. It's got like potatoes in it. It has your sauce. It has kind of like your deep, dark spiciness. This is a deep cut. Bicol Express. Spicy goat. Those goat pieces were so big and juicy. Man, that was high quality, man. I'm telling you that. So our last two dishes here at Tito Reds is we have a soy sauce braised adobo pork. Okay. And then we hear, we have this creamy jackfruit latin. My stomach is so full right now. The one thing that about Filipino restaurants, they give you quite the portion. All right, you guys, that brings us to the very end of our first Woodside Little Manila Crawl. Man, it was such a dope experience. Very unique. What were you guys just made your takeaways? This episode kind of means a lot to me. I grew up here in Woodside, and it really brought me back to powder just to have all these little bites from all these places that I've been as a child. The crazy thing is it tastes just as good as when I was a little kid, if not better. Basically what I gotta say is like, because like I was born and raised in the Bronx, like coming to Queens was like a trip for us as a family. Like every Sunday we'll go like to crystals, OG Filipino spot in Woodside, or I just like coming to Queens in general because I can get my favorite like Filipino snacks. Hey, I think if you do everything that we did in the video or even half of the things, it makes the trip out of Queens super worth it even if you don't live in the area. But I gotta say, the food is all very fairly priced. I mean, we're in Queens, no frills. They keep it real. It's very cheap. It's very affordable and it's very authentic. No frills. And that's what I loved about Woodside Queens. No frills, keep it real. Iho Wan Grill. Ooh.  Let us know. We were in a hundred, but you know we gotta keep it a hundred. Let us know. All right, you guys. Hey, you guys, this was a very fun episode of Fun Bros. Food. Huge shout out to everybody. Follow the social down below. Benson, always thank you. Appreciate it, man. Till next time, we out. Peace. My look makes you hot, man. Santa Monica.


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I think it's the patriots that'll be able to pendulum Will the uh the wingland patriots win their game against Buffalo bills tomorrow night Oh What direction is that going counterclockwise? No clockwise. Oh clockwise, okay No, it says yes Okay, all right very good Okay, what other prominent games are happening? Uh I don't know Do you want to look james at what's happening on the egg? Yeah Look at this fire. Okay for like the last 20 minutes. I'm like this fire feels terrible now. Look at it I mean you can definitely tell that with the with the new cylinder it um You know with that with that new propane cylinder, we're definitely cooking with gas now so to speak, right? I just want to tell bar that uh, we've been showing barbecue Going on here both with uh, jason cleveland uh in the state of washington and also bcb reviews in michigan has a smoker grill So he uh, he's got here. He's got He's got a chuck rose in a Here we go in a cornucopia of Look at this here. Can you guys see that? Oh look with our 10 there. Oh And this is Normally chuck is tough as shula right correct put the tree like this. We're so afford to not taste Oh, look at it. Look at that Oh I'm slobbing So He's labyrinth Yeah, this is definitely We're going to have a good meal this evening for sure. This is definitely It's definitely coming around where I wanted it to How's that showing up on the video? Is that look all right? Very. Oh, that's awesome. That's good Yeah, so we'll just keep the lid closed and uh Uh You know, you know, uh, jason, I wonder if the very Inexpensive london broil can be cooked to the same degree of tenderness. I would imagine and I would think so.  I mean you you can get slabs of that. I'd like that's another piece of meat the uh the flat iron Yeah, flat iron steak, right Yeah, I love that stuff too. Yeah Here we go There's the setup gentlemen Yeah, he's got a nice. He's got a nice, uh picturesque uh landscape the backyard there with the stonework and the Good old midway a good old lines in the background Yeah, you can can you still see the fog maybe a little bit, right? Yeah Yeah, I can see a little bit Damn Nice high wooden stockade fence That's another day out in the pacific northwest and Massive tree that thing's about a hundred feet tall there and you can see that I guess you you might get sasquatch is uh Show up right there sasquatch might show up in my backyard. Yeah sasquatchy. Yeah, sasquatchy Italian sasquatch That's a canadian sasquatch sasquatchy and sasquatchy and sasquatchy and sasquatchy and sasquatchy What's he talking about? That was Michigan's close enough to uh, canada, right? Yeah, we're we're practically neighbors You could call detroit south toronto of you and Uh, yeah That's right Is detroit detroit now detroit actually is a french word that means Straits, you know like a narrow passage connecting Two bodies of water Now, I know one body Is lake eerie. What's the other one lake lake here on or michigan? Yeah, lady Lake michigan lake superior lake here on lake eerie and let's not forget lake otterio I keep forgetting that one Yeah, that's where rochester new york and toronto is lake ontario. Yeah And we've got a city called river rouge and it got the color or the name rouge from the color from the like uh streams Feed in the lake eerie because they used to have a rouge Color to it. So that's why it's called river rouge Actually, there was a uh ford plant the river rouge plant. They used to forge castings there. I think for uh, the ford v8s Look it up. It's it's one of the major uh forging factories in the country river rouge plant Yeah, and yeah, we call it the rouge plant. Yeah and now if you ever guys if you guys ever come out here, there's a uh Museum called the henry for museum. There's an indoor and outdoor museum Right next door to each other you got the indoor that was the henry for museum Then you got the outdoor which is called refill village and then they've got what they call the rouge plant tours Where you go to their factory site In rouge or river rouge where they build their f 150s. Yes so Yeah, so I mean You know speaking of barbeque, uh Not sure if you guys know this. I'm sure you do james, uh the history of kingsford charcoal um I know this Yeah, you know this right?  Um Way back in the day, they used to make their wheels of wood their bodies were made of wood model t vehicles And there was a lot of waste when it came to making the bodies and the and the frames and chassis for these vehicles And uh henry ford, you know kind of thought like what do we do with this wood?  Well kingsford king kingsford with a ford in the back end It was king and then ford come together as kingsford And they used to sell these products as charcoal briquettes as waste And they would make money. So henry ford tried to maximize everything he could out of everything that he did and Is uh assembly plant line Basically, what you're trying to get it. Yeah. Yeah So he got that he got kings. Mr. King started Henry ford because the the the wooden aspect of uh Auto manufacturing eventually disappeared, right? And that's right But these but these factories they actually had these massive forests where they would get the wood from too so as a total sustainable manufacturing method you would Plant trees in in the forest that you own the property on you would harvest the wood for the bodies And then any residual waste will be turned into charcoal.  Yeah, it was also self-sustaining. Yeah self-sustaining. Yeah So that's kind of more trivia for your barbecue banter keto kings Yeah I even watched the big uh mcdonald's uh burger king war when they When mcdonald's first got off the ground when they were It's a little uh They were like in a small town in the midwest And uh and how they uh, they just grew and then burger king came on scene. I watched that whole documentary. It was fascinating. Um The uh, what was the the french fries they decided on getting the rusted Idaho rusted potatoes to use to their mcdonald's french fries Um, but uh, and then they mentioned white castle, which I happen to like But um, and white castles is awesome. I love white castles. Yeah, I'll get that into england relationship with me though But go to the bathroom for number two. That's a different story. That's that the hate relationship there a white castle They don't advertise and people don't know That they make awesome pulled barbecue pulled pork sandwiches Fish hot fish nuggets fish sandwiches fried clams Well, let's say fried clams are awesome sweet potato sweet potato fries Uh, they make one of the best milkshakes tasting wise one of the best But they only want chocolate and vanilla You can't get strawberry. You see it's chocolate or vanilla So I would say Yeah, I would ask them to combine it like a mocha You know, I would love them. We'll do uh blueberries for a milkshake Yeah, I never yeah, that would be really good actually Yeah You know, why are we Blueberries or at least it's a Inside thing in michigan where we're known for our blueberries and if you know anybody that has blueberries They'll never tell you where their blueberries are because they don't want you stealing them because they want them all to themselves And it's like whatever keep me Away from you because we'll figure out where that blueberry patch is They grow a lot of blueberries in south jersey and Uh, they uh, there's a winery there down here that makes blueberry wine cranberry wine and uh It's called a belt Belanzano winery, I think Uh, yeah, Tom. Uh, he that that's his way of saying adios and good night Uh, Thomas metal 75 Eric. It was a pleasure as always. It was a yes. It was a pleasure. Thank you for coming I hope you feel better Oh, yeah, he got he had the runs from that damn uh, high fructose corn syrup Yeah, number one it was uh pizza and then number two is the booster Or as they say in his area the booster booster Lobster roll lobster booster Yeah, he uh, he had he told me had side effects from the booster Me I just got a little pain in the injection site so far Knock on wood now James. Uh, I meant to ask you this but I never got around to it the um Your dinner last night with the turkey. How was it? No, it was pretty damn good it was uh Well, my friend in in china um She told me instead of making a big pot of soup Use your use your steamer rack and just get a big bowl and make one portion make it fresh Like make one portion enough for One or two people. Yep I said, I'll give it a shot Instead of chicken. I said, let me do it with turkey Came out great. I boiled the egg ramen noodles And then I I put the ramen noodles In the big steel bowl in the turkey soup And it was great How about a midnight snack for a midnight snack? I had I had two uh Arepa with cheese corn meal cakes corn cakes for a columbian Arepas I have them in the freezer Sounds amazing. Yeah. Yeah, it's well when you when you combine that Spanish cheese in with corn and uh It's pretty damn tasty. I mean, uh Let's see. What do you say? Oh, yeah, yeah, he told me in the private chat that he's definitely not feeling good. Yeah What time do you have james? I don't have a watch on uh, well my time is uh the 6 26 p.m. And uh, I'm gonna have to close out and start making dinner Uh, I just wanted to say to eric front felt there. I hope you have plenty of Ginger ale in the house because that would help you a lot Yeah, that's what we do up in there. Michigan. We drink runners if we're filling under the weather. Yeah Yeah, like canada dry ginger ale whatever store brand just Ice cold Either way Yeah, that's it. No no food Don't even drink water. Just drink ginger ale and that will fix you right up But anyway Jason's food is Just about done. It's just about done. In fact, I just got the um, we have to leave in a half hour routine so I got a kind of I hate to say how they got a kind of button this thing up so that I can get the family fed so All right, let's we're gonna button it up What do we do here three hours and And about three hours and 30 minutes not not too bad Not too bad It's been a pleasure. It's it's always unique and uh, I just like The unpredictability of you know, uh ad lib in everything and You know just like a hot air balloon, you know, wherever the wind blows is where it goes And uh, you know the subjects tend to just flow into each other and uh So it's it's it's been a lot of fun and you know, and unfortunately tomorrow's monday. It's the beginning of a new week and uh Today it's been real.  Thanks again. This has been great. I uh Would it like to have stuck around and show you the whole production But we got to get going in about a half hour. We got about an hour drive from here There's a place called warm beach christmas lights It's a uh big community type thing where they all every house decorates You got to pay money to get in there and I have a ticket They do every hour it takes about an hour to drive through and I got a ticket to go through the thing at five o'clock, so I got to get the family fed. We got to get everybody in the car and then we got a You have uh, they charge a cover charge to see elaborate christmas 25 dollars james, I told you everything up here is expensive It cost me 25 dollars just to drive through a neighborhood. Is what about what about What about getting good what about getting good binoculars for everyone in your family? Did you imagine they got like the peeping toms, right, you know That's what I would do, you know, or if you have a drone That'd be kind of funny if you have a drone daryl messiahs. It was great. Yeah Daryl messiahs of northern california and also bart robertson of robertson of the uh In new jersey in the sub-verbal philadelphia Thank you bart robertson.  Yes, jeremy santa. I thank you for showing up also You two have a great week. Uh, I know it's monday tomorrow, but every day has 24 hours And uh, sometimes some people's mondays are Are okay Like mine Or mine I don't have to answer anybody Unless I talk to myself But uh, anyway Take care everyone. I will seize it on a as usual on messenger and well tap I'll see you guys on the internet. Bye. Bye. Bye guys. Have a good


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What's the word y'all? I'm hyped. We are one sleep away from the beginning of the 2021-22 season. A lot of things are about to go down, man. I mentioned before that I'm spending a lot of time trying to go to this channel. We have a presenting sponsor that we're going to announce tomorrow, which is a huge W. We've been wanting to do a presenting sponsor for a very long time and we finally got one and it's the perfect match made in heaven. Met the team, love them, and we turned down some other offers to go with this one. So hopefully y'all show some love for that tomorrow. In that video, I'm going to be giving my MIP picks, my MVP picks and all of that stuff. But in today's video, I want to talk about who I think are the dark horses for the 2022 NBA Championship. Should be interesting, man, because it was hard. It was legitimately hard to pick dark horses. I want you to leave a like on the video if you're hyped for the NBA season and use the comment section. Man, these are my dark horses, but there are way more candidates than the ones I'm going to talk about today. So I want to hear what you guys have to say in the comment section. I feel like if you ask majority NBA fans who do they have in the 2022 championship, you're going to get a combination of different answers. Out East, you're going to get the Brooklyn Nets or the Milwaukee Vultures. Makes a lot of sense, man. The Brooklyn Nets have Kevin Arant, who might be the greatest player in the league right now. They have James Harden. They're probably going to have Kyrie Irvin. I do believe Kyrie's going to end up playing for the Brooklyn Nets this year. They signed Patty Mills. So even if Kyrie don't come back, they got Patty Mills. Blake Griffin re-signed, Paul Milsep signed. Lamarcus all just out of retirement. Who else? Bruce Brown should be better. Nicholas Claxton is going to be better. This team is probably going to be the greatest offensive team of all time. And we're like, what about the defense? In the regular season last year, they had like the 23rd, 24th rank defense. And then we got to the playoffs and they stepped it up. If it wasn't for a Kyrie and a James Harden injury and Kevin Arant's big old shoe, we might be talking about them as potentially repeating this year. So yes, I understand why people have them. And then the other team out East is the Milwaukee Boxmen. They did end up winning the championship. Yannis is looking even more elite than the previous users. It's scary. They brought back pretty much the same core. They lost to P.J. Tucker. But there's a different type of swagger from a team that's coming off the championship. I think in Eastern Conference, those two teams are in a league of their own. So it's kind of hard to try to pick a dark horse for it. But again, there's a couple of different options. I picked one for the Eastern Conference. And now West, I think majority of people say, hey, the Lakers are going to make it to the finals. LeBron James and Anthony Davis have a full offseason, not like the previous year where they had the shortest offseason of all time. They brought in Russell Westbrook. And yes, they have the oldest team in NBA history almost. But I think they got solid pieces around them and most people picked them. But it's not always that black and white. Same question. If I asked you last year, who's going to be in the finals? Most people would have said Brooklyn and the Lakers. That was even before the James hard to try. Oh, Katie's coming back. Kyrie's coming back. Oh, Kyrie's going to be there. And now the Lakers just revamped. They got Dennis Schroeder, Montrez, Harold, but it's not always that black and white injuries can happen. Trades can happen. So these are the teams that I think could potentially make some noise. I don't know. The first one, I might lose some credibility, but I like this team. All right. My first dark horse team. I got three of them, by the way. It's the Utah Jazz. All right. You don't have to click on video. Hit me out. Hit me out. Hit me out. Because the last remember, you have the Utah Jazz. They've been played off the floor against a Kawhi Leonard less LA Clippers and there's no excuse for those losses. I think they lost back to back games where Kawhi Leonard was out. You know what? I was there at the game that Kawhi Leonard got injured. I didn't even realize that Kawhi was injured. I saw him like get all wobbly or lippy, but I was like, I ain't nothing and he was out. I'm sorry to the Clippers, man. They made some huge adjustments throughout the series and I'm winning it. The Utah Jazz. There are no excuses from losing that series at all. I do believe they have a better team mission. They did last year in that series. Their third All-Star. I know Mike Connelly was a replacement to a replacement, but he wasn't All-Star last year. Injury. Don Vimentu injured and Rudy Gobert should have been played off the floor. He was played. He played terribly, but the coach left him on the court. Now a lot of what I'm saying or going to say today is contingent on the stubbornness of whether it be through the players, the ownership or coaching. Because in a scenario like game six versus the Clippers, yes, Rudy Gobert is one of the greatest defensive players in recent NBA history. There's a legitimate reason why he wins defensive player years off the Nessie does, but he does have holes in his defensive game.  They were not afraid of Rudy Gobert. They went right at him. And as good of a rim protector slash intimidator, Rudy Gobert is sometimes most of the time offense is going great offense is going to be really good defense. All right. The other thing is what does Quinn Snyder do when you go against a team that five out Rudy Gobert? Because I went back to rewatch game five and game six of the series. A couple like I guess like a month or so ago to to relive those moments and really figure out what was going on again. Rudy Gobert did not have a good series whatsoever. But if people that were looking at him as a sole reason why the Clippers are doing their thing, I think are slightly mistaken. Mostly because of what was going on. What goes on in the Utah Jazz Defense is, hey, we don't have amazing perimeter defenders, but we have an amazing rim protector. So we're going to funnel our entire defense into Rudy and let Rudy contest. Let Rudy do everything. And when you go five out where we can't funnel anything because now Rudy Gobert has to guard the corner and the defensive scheme was still funnel funnel funnel and let them make shots and let them make shots. And that's how you got Terrence Mann dropping 40 points. Now, I do believe that this year they made some signings and a trade that if a team were to go ultra small like the Clippers did, they might be able to to rally the troops and stop the bleeding. And part of that is Rudy Gaye. Part of that is Eric Pascoe. But then you go to this situation like we're paying Rudy Gobert max money and you telling me against a certain amount of teams. He can't play in the last three minutes. Yep. I didn't say it was a good contract when it happened, dog, but you have to make the adjustments when the other teams are making the adjustments. Adjustments. Tyron Liu out coached Quinn Snyder in this series because Quinn Snyder didn't want to pull Rudy Gobert off the court. Now, they didn't have a ton of great options outside of Rudy Gobert. They could have went like George's knee Yang to guard the corner. But when we go, I mean, with Donovan Mitchell dealing with a hamstring and them just not having elite level perimeter to finish the start off with a step for a step for Royce O'Neill players like Paul George would have been blowing past or just getting past the fender for easy layup. So it put them in a really tough situation and I do believe that this year they're going to be better about things like this. I do believe they're more deep team this year and I think that most people are looking at the Utah Jazz like the way we looked at the Milwaukee Bucks for the last couple seasons. Yes, we know you're a really, really good team, but we need you to prove something in the playoffs. Yeah, you can you can be the top two top three seed of your conference every single year, but we're not respecting you until you make some noise. And this might be the year where the Utah Jazz can make some noise. They obviously have a super dominant offensive player and Donovan Mitchell and a healthy Donovan Mitchell and a healthy Mike Connelly again. You don't know if they're going to be healthy, but those two players been healthy with the depth of Rudy Gaye, the depth of Hassan White side who kind of fell off a little bit, but but as a backup, he's going to be fine. I do believe that they could win a series against pretty much every Western Conference team of all things played into their laps. So that is my first dark horse team. The second one is even even more of a dark horse. But hey, here we go here Vegas odds by the way. So it's Brooklyn LA. The Warriors being tied with the Bucks is kind of weird to me. I think the Bucks will probably have a better chance, but whatever the sons are after that than the Utah Jazz. The Clippers are after that as well. And the next team on my dark horse list is this one. The Denver Nuggets hear me out. If I'm not mistaken without Jamal Murray, the team was like 16 and 7 after his injury, which is extremely good. All things considered. I definitely believe the moment that Jamal Murray went down, their regular season is going to be over that they would they would plateau and not be as good, but they had so many people step up and they had the MVP player, which is Nicola Jokic elevate his game to a whole new level level. Now a lot of this is being the dark horse really depends on when Jamal Murray comes back and what version of Jamal Murray we get because honestly speaking, it takes a couple months. It takes maybe a year to come back from an injury of his and look the same way. But I do believe when they locked up Eric Gordon and a locked up Michael Porter Jr, they were bought into this core and it makes a lot of sense. I think for the regular season, Nicola Jokic is going to be just as good as he was last year. He might not win MVP again, but the narrative is there. Y'all know narrative plays a big part in MVP and we will talk about MVP tomorrow, but a narrative does play a big part if if they are elite still and Yoko just put enough similar numbers for sure. He's going to be in the conversations, but the guy you know who the guy is Michael Porter Jr plays a big part in me putting them as the dark horse because last year once we got to the playoffs Michael Porter Jr had a lot of really good moments, but in the last series, he didn't perform the way you wanted them to. He has 15 points per game on 38% from the field. They needed a lot more from a guy like him. He let Will Barton outscore him in the four game series. So it's it's has a lot to do with Michael Porter Jr. But one thing we've known about Michael Porter Jr for the entirety of him being on the basketball map is that he is a natural born scorer. His defense is starting to come around more and more every single season and when you have a guy like Nicola Jokic and Michael Porter Jr. I don't really know how they're going to play each other, but they have one of the better coaches in the league. This team I still believe could be a dark horse when when when Jamal Murray comes back. I think there's something to say about a team having a super super elite MVP caliber player and the way they can elevate an organization just by being themselves. And I think that that's when Nicola Jokic is so you have that elite level player and you have really good role player slash second third options. There's no limit. There's no limit like I was trying to pick between them and the Dallas Mavericks, but I think the role players behind Nicola Jokic are significantly better than the role players behind the Dallas Mavericks. So that's why I went with Nicola Jokic's Denver Nuggets. Now the last thing out East is rough man. They are a couple different options. I don't know what to think about the Philadelphia 76 is because what the heck has happened in women's tennis. We don't know the Atlanta Hawks or a team that was going around in my mind, but ultimately I went with the Miami Heat. I do believe that the Miami Heat might disappoint in the regular season because they I don't know if they're going to end up being a top three top four seed. I just don't know. I think that they might lack some of the depth you want to see for the regular season. But once we get to the playoffs. I think the secret hit another level now.  We ain't talking about it because the players that we've saw for the last couple of seasons, the two players that led them to the to bubble finals did not play up to standard in that series against the Milwaukee Bugs. I I desperately do believe the Milwaukee Bugs were seeking out that series because they wanted their revenge and they were ready for they have been practicing for it all season long. And I don't think the Miami Heat went into that series the same way. I don't think they're going to do that ever again. I do believe that BAM is going to be a defensive player to your candidate. I do believe Jimmy Butler is one of the best leaders in the entire league and the addition of Kyle Lowry helps it out a lot. Now we got to the playoffs last year. I don't know if the numbers prove this with me, but when I was watching them play against the Milwaukee Bugs, Goren's logic ability to create for himself and create offense was a huge part of the reason why they were in some of these games. They got rid of that. But get what I think as a season playoff player and Kyle Lowry, they might have lost a little bit of creation, a little bit of individual creation, but I think overall that's better for the team. Scoring on this team is going to be tough. PJ Tucker, BAM on a bio, Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry. These are some of the most elite defensive players we have in the entire league and they're all on the same team. I don't know what we're getting from Victor O'Ladipo, but if we get 50% of what we got in the MIP year, that's good enough to be a rotational player. I think this team once playoff time comes around is going to be crazy and Tyler hero head of baby. I like I know I know y'all be thinking I'm joking with these things, but I legitimately think that once somebody has a kid, their perspective on life goes goes a different way and they go harder. Listen, listen, I know y'all know the news now, but I went to JJ Reddick's and Tommy Alters, old man in the three live show in Brooklyn a couple weeks ago and in his retirement video, there is a moment where he was talking specifically to his sons and he said, Nox, Kai, my best years as an NBA player happened after you were born. This is this is not a joke. I swear I shed a tear. Why am I getting so emotional when it comes to fatherhood? I don't understand it, but I do believe that Tyler hero is going to be better this year than last year. I think he probably put the more time in and he's starting to really figure out who he is as the player and not just being bubble Tyler hero. Do I think he's going to be six man of the year? We'll talk about that tomorrow, but I do believe this team once the playoff comes around might be elite in a hard team to score on and the offense will come around. So yeah, those are my three dark course teams for the 2021-22 season. I don't know what the heck is going to happen this year and that's what makes good sports. If you enjoyed the video, leave it a like. I'll see y'all tomorrow. NBA season opener. Man, I cannot wait.


Okay well let's get moving we've got 45 minutes and apparently you're going to get kicked out at the end so I'm just going to give a quick talk on future relage and things that we're doing and things that we would like to see that not necessarily gonna ever happen but things I think would be nice. Optimism. Great Optimism. All right so one of the big things we've spent a lot of time in the last few months working on is Pungie. We've merged, we got a new branch of Pungie that came from the internal Red Hat Compose tools that merged in the old Pungie with some internal tooling. So the big thing we get from that is that we're now instead of having just one or two people trying to keep Pungie working and making the ISOs we get a whole bunch of extra functionality and we get extra people to work on the tooling. It's a little more configurable in the output which for some of the things that we'd like to do is useful. It means that this ideally rel, sentos and fedora will use the same tooling instead of three completely different sets of tooling and wasting resources and manpower on that. We get a lot better logging. I was going to give a quick show of that. I don't know how well this is going to work since. So this is the output of the Pungie logging composed. We get logging for the arches, global logging. But the Pungie logging to date has been completely hidden from the view. Logging matters too much. But it's something that we get. Today the logging happens on a compose box and QA is like, hey, what was this thing? They have to come to me and I have to go and find that with this we get logging where people can actually see it all the time. It spits out some JSON files so that we can write tooling to trigger off automated composers or you can check what was in it. There's a lot of extra functionality that we get. It's also a lot more complex. It does a lot of its stuff in Koji going forward. We're wanting to look at ways where we can do more of the things in Koji that the compose process does. So it makes more transparent. We can see you can go to Koji and say, hey, where was this thing rather than having to dig into other places to find it? It's a very useful thing where we use the old tooling to do alpha and we're hoping we get things to the point where we can switch to using the new tooling for the better release for Dora 23. And we also part of this is we end up making raw hide look like a compose. So our long term plans want to make the compose processes completely automated so that release engineering doesn't have to trigger, start things off. When a build happens, like a Glypsy build or a Neuroniconda build happens, we automatically run a compose and then we can throw it through a test suite and make sure that it works. Want to reuse the process as much as we can, want to do composes all the time. Ideally, we get rid of the nightly, like raw hide and branch compose and we do them on a as needed basis. So that if Anaconda changes every day, we get a new build every day, but if the things in the output don't change, we just don't do anything. You know, it's only when the stuff that goes into the deliverables changes that we actually do it. And ideally, we do it much more frequently. Ideally, it would be every time that a package on the set deliverable changes. I mean, most of that stuff doesn't really change that much. And, you know, there would be a gating so that if there's a compose in process, we're not going to do another one. But once it's done, if there's five things that need, that say that needs a new compose, we do those five things. And we only do, you know, like if the only thing that changes is a known package, we only go and, you know, make the known install tree and the workstation install tree and the workstation live CD. And that's it. We don't make all the other things. We only make the deliverables that have a changed content in it. In order to be able to do some of this. Yeah. How are you going to fix the signing, the terrible, terrible signing that it says to do with that? I mean, we've been working on the auto signer stuff, which is generally more broken than working. But we ideally, we need a way to be able to sign stuff and trust that it, you know, yeah, I mean, we need to define what what does it mean to be for the package to be signed. You know, at the moment, it's the, you know, if the package is signed, we're like saying, this is good, this is from us. Longer term, perhaps, it's just a means to verify that this thing actually came from Fedora. But, you know, like we'd sign the metadata or we would do some other kind of process where you can have a better verification of what, you know, the content is, you know, the real content from us and not something that someone's maliciously, you know, Trojan. I mean, it just means that we would trust the keys a little less that signs the packages rather than, you know, and maybe then we only have a key instead of changing the key every release.  But that's what I was asking about, as opposed to, you know, how we would like someone to start, how we might be signing infrastructure more robust and I mean, no one's working on the signing infrastructure at all. So if anyone wants something unsexy and difficult to work on, we've got a signing server that could do with some love.  And it was a necessary thing. But it's kind of being written and put there and being left alone. It's all single is completely Python code. Researchers and doing a lot of the work. And they want to make sure everything's consistent. We want to enable a framework for supporting different product life cycles. It kind of comes back to the whole ring stuff, you know, today, we don't have a good way to say, you know, we want to support workstation for six months, and we want to support server for 18 months, we just, we have no way to do we can't say, you know, the end of six months, or these things are cut off, you know, we need to have a good way to define the different rings, the different products, the different pieces, you know, part of it comes down to, you know, if we want to automate, you know, and just read, we go, Well, this package in the workstations change, make the workstation things, we need to know what's in that so that the tooling and the processes can run.  But you know, Fedora 23 on and, you know, maybe longer term, we just want to get away from having, you know, like release numbers and do different levels of rolling releases where we have, you know, stable, a ultra stable and development. And, you know, we just kind of promote things at different stages and make, you know, the more stable ones have a lot less churn and a lot, you know, a lot less change. But, you know, like once every six months, we promote a whole bunch of stuff.   You know, like ideally we get to a point where, you know, like raw height is never broken because we make sure that anytime somebody pushes a pat, a package and update in, you know, if it bumps a surname and say, well, if I see you or something that is part of the instance, I'm not sure if that's part of the install, but if it's part of the, you know, that core group and we detect that the surnames bumped, we then create a side tag and we go off and, you know, trigger builds for everything that builds against that in the side tag and we don't allow it to get merged until nothing's broken. And, you know, that way we can be more sure. I mean, it's going to slow down some things getting in. But it's not really because you when you push something in that's broken, that then means that nothing else is able to work. And, you know, you've got to go and build these things. You can't actually install it and do the updates until everything's built against it anyway. So if we just push off the side and make it easier to have people do those things on the side, or, you know, instead of having the known side tags, you know, they build the first known package that breaks stuff, we put it on the side automatically and create and the automated systems do all that kind of stuff for us. You know, it's something that needs to be set down and, you know, fought through a lot more and come up with a plan and get resources because it's way more than, you know, the relinch team of, you know, which was one is now like four people, it's way more than we can take on. And it's involves a lot more than just, you know, relinch, it needs a lot of QA by and because without automated QA tests that we can trigger doing things on and, you know, pushing out things only when they've passed the QA tests, we can't do it. So, you know, we need to work with QA and get a consistent, cohesive plan as a project to ensure that, you know, things can run smoother and faster.  And it's pretty transparent. Ideally, we push a lot less updates than we do today, because I think we push way way too many updates. I mean, by the time Fedora 20 got towards the end of live, I think the Fedora 20 updates repo was somewhere in the vicinity of about 10 gig. It was quite, you know, 20 was a little bit interesting, because 21 had such a long cycle. Right. So 20 ended up saying 20 18 months. I mean, 19 and 20 ended up being supported for about 19 months, as opposed to 13. But even I mean, 21 to that today is pretty large. And the process for us to push updates takes about eight to 10 hours. We just don't have a good way to get things out quickly. We need to sit down and, you know, re look at that. I want to integrate secondary arches better. So I've said for a long time, I want, you know, when we do a compose, I want to do the compose for the secondary arches. I think the best way for us to do that is probably to bring the building of the secondary arches into the primary Koji. And I mean, my initial thought was to keep it the Kojis as it is and, you know, write part tooling and stuff to just go off and do the things on the different arches. But now after talking with Peter and some other people, I think the best option is bring the building of everything in and use the tooling as part of like, defining that, you know, this is and kind of makes a lot more sense with the 686 talk of having, you know, some parts of 32 bit x86 no longer being primary. If we have the tooling that defines, you know, in our thing that defines what is, you know, Fedora and what's in the different pieces, we can then say workstation x86 64 is primary. And that's it. So that, you know, we're gonna have AR 64, maybe PPC exit, you know, the concept being where going to uncouple the concept of Koji being and where the Koji exists from whether it's a primary architect or not. So and then demote a addition. So you could maybe promote IOT on 32 bit to primary. And you can demote 32 bit x86 server to secondary. Right. And because you're basically uncoupling the concept of Koji and the builds versus a primary. Then the tooling that creates Fedora, it's the thing that, you know, what defines is what's primary and what's secondary is where do we ship it? Do we, you know, do we push it to old stage? Do we push it to you know, Fedora secondary? Do we push it to the main Fedora, you know, repo? What you know, the thing that then would define it is, you know, the tooling puts the things into the different places and how we ship it is what defines what's primary and secondary. Or even, I'll say, it's more policy defines primary and secondary. And the tooling such as Koji and the release engineering process is adjusted to do that. And basically, the difference then is, you know, whether it goes to this area or whether it's promoted on the website or not, as opposed to, you know, at the moment, things have been dictated by, but things have been dictated by tools now that shouldn't be dictated by tools that should be dictated by. We don't have a lot of flexibility and a lot of the things that we've done, because we wrote the tooling and we started doing the, you know, write the processes when we did for course, Fedora seven. And we're using that same tooling, same processes, and when we've folded things on, and it's, you know, time we kind of just sit back and go, we need to reevaluate how we do this because longer term, it's just not working. Yeah. Every actually support needs to have room zero building and working way. And the, and everything else just the thing that I found in the five or so years that I've dealt with, like 986 Arches in Fedora, there's been a number of times where we've discovered tool chain issues on 986 Arches that are in fact fairly major problems on 986 as well. And we often go to find out about them until later on because the secondary is by definition, like, and so at the core, like the Fedora core central bit is ultimately having the secondary Arches in there, or the 986 Arches in there actually will provide or does provide value to the 86 Arches as well. There are things even just like 86 where we can do with some subdivision for the next set. And the work that was just kicked off last week for trying to bring down the dependency set for a very low and smaller update, which is not formally defined. But we always have the problems with them. Every two of the year we have an effort like that. And it only goes over time. And there's no formal way of doing things, right? What we expect to be in the world. You've sort of worked through the three years in Fedora, it is something that I am dealing with constantly. And, but it is something I'm dealing with on a release to release. Very ad hoc now, where we're sitting there basically buying whack-a-mole. And there's nothing great, so it looks like we went another time to get to know that there's no small module, right? Which there are other things that break when it explodes. Because like the Fedora arm minimal build with shrunk it down to enough that basically if something explodes, it starts to fail because it doesn't fit in the allocation space we have for it yet. But it's fairly ad hoc. And it's not me, you know, today when we do like the branch or the war height compose, we get we run repo diff, which says these are the packages that changed. And this is their size. But it doesn't consider, you know, this package added five or 10 dependencies or whatever. And we get broken dependencies. Well, ideally, we don't ever have broken dependencies to get out to the real world. And, you know, if if we have the tooling and the processes in place where we know what goes into everything, we can then write tooling or reporting that you know, we can go, you know, between this workstation compose and this workstation compose, these three packages are added.  You know, this is the repo diff between what changed. But in these deliverables, these are the things that changed in that, you know, so you can see real easily, that, you know, somebody, you know, changed glib, which added dependencies on a whole stack of Perl. This addition, some way out, 300 packages. Yeah. The, the, the Koshai CI stuff, at least as far as I know, it's mostly trying to preemptively detect fast build from source.  It addresses some of the issues, but it doesn't address all of the issues. I know there's discussion about, like bringing those ideas. Like, I know in the enterprise product, I discovered a bunch of failures of all stuff, just before the last four, well, fairly close to beta of the last four is going out. And there's stuff like that, like, we should have been hitting at the point of which it built. So that, you know, the developers are aware of it. And that's exactly the same with the Nora. This is a couple of years ago, I was here talking about being I mean, there's, there's QHS that we can get, but this is the thing now, the knowledge of the software is out there and yet and completely open, but the knowledge of how to use it effectively, although locked up well, yeah, so we've been ready to have it, but how do you use it from? Yeah, but I mean, even if it's a firewall, we don't have a lot of effective communication around. So they have some channel or the X, Y set, because every time I just go, usually, I sort of have the other issues aside, but but this is this is the thing that we've just done. And then we need folks doing the usability work to say, what's preventing people from getting started with it? How do we smooth that all around? How do we, how do we ease people into using it because of the very advanced capabilities, but people are hitting the front end of it and bouncing off. Yeah, and going and reinventing it that way. Yeah. We're going to re deciding though, this isn't more bright and rather than figuring it out, just reinventing something. But this QA test that we could run as early as when you commit, as soon as you commit start, especially if you're pushing your table to look aside cash, we should unpack the table and run a license check on it and see if any licenses have changed. And, you know, there's a lot of QA stuff that we should be doing that we don't, because we just have never done it. I mean, there are only so many of us working on test automation, but people want to help I am more than happy to get some of that stuff working, but we're already busy just trying to get the structure up. I mean, even some of the Tosca Tron stuff that gets around once you create an update, that's almost too late for that is not limited to just when the updates created runs off of that message. The whole design of it is, hey, you made it, you did something to look aside cash. Yeah, those kind of things. It is just running stuff on code you built and updates right now, but it's not limited to that. The only reason it's only doing that is because we have only so much bandwidth to write the actual test. Sure. Yeah, but I mean, generally, to read that, there's a bunch of other people looking at the commit stuff and things like that. But that's happening in the open, which is a lot of cases, we're not even aware that they're doing that. I'm hearing you. There's a lot of good ideas. And as you said, you have four people in reality, we have, you know, I don't know, three people who do any working on test automation or whatever. This is way more stuff than we can do in the next month. Someone sat down and figured out like a complete roadmap with priorities and said, these are the three things we're going to do in the next few months. Or do we just have this vehicle with good intentions? No, for the Royal Alliance, we have a bunch of very defined things that we're trying to do. And the other people can look at it. Yeah, yeah. Where? Where do you find it? Yeah, we're using Tiger. We're using Tiger to do product management. And we have like daily scrums and so that's five different places. No, it's all the same thing. It's one place. It's one place where, you know, we're, we're trying to be much more transparent and better about what with, you know, what we're doing. And, you know, I mean, it's a lot of change. We're pulling some of the people that have only ever worked inside of Red Hat into doing stuff, because they use the tooling internally, you know, the guys that work on the Pungie code internally, we're pulling them into doing stuff in Fedora, because, you know, Fedora and Rella are now going to be using the same tools to be creating the OS. I was just looking at your project would be hang out and I would see meetings and then read the OS. It doesn't say anything about your scrum. Right. Yeah, the wiki hasn't been updated. The all the scrum stuff started in the last six weeks. And the wiki page is probably like two years out of since it's been edited. Any person who read the wiki said they're going to be able to do it for you. I think we said for a lot of wiki news. Going back to what Adam said about the, you know, the good ideas and the reality around, I think there needs to be some significant policy changes in Fedora around updates. It's mentioned it takes eight hours to push an update. And that's really important. That is just most of it's stuff running in the background. But it's what the updates fire. The updates firehose is crazy. Yeah. And it's never slowed down. Ever since we merged for it's been that way. So has that ever been discussed? It has. And you there's a lot of people with a lot of opinions about very strong. Well, I would say, I would say, you know, obviously a lot of Shack of Chantiers use the updates model to push things on their own schedule. Right. But with things like proper and stuff, they can do that on their own. You can say, well, updates are going to be security and critical and inherent. I yeah. I think no, I think a big, big way to change that is to change raw hide. If we can make raw hide to the point where, you know, I think we'll have to rebrand raw hide in the process because raw hide has this conversation that it kills babies, it kills kittens, it does, you know, right. But so I think that like by I think it's part of it will need to rebrand raw hide to something else so that it kind of yeah. But making sure that at least the core part is never broken. And the outer rings, you know, we may go, you know, stuff that's in service, stuff that's in workstation, stuff that's in cloud, and stuff that's in the core ring, it can never be broken. If it's broke, you know, if your update breaks out, then it's going to get pushed onto the side and we have to have a policy engine that deals with what we do based on that, you know, the leaf stuff, if it breaks, it breaks whatever. But by making that core really solid and stable and ensuring that it never breaks. Ideally, that then, you know, will give the incentive to the developers that that's where they want to be.  And that's where, you know, that's where they stay all the time is in the development branch. And the stable stuff, then by nature, you know, the developers not being the ones using it, but then users being the ones that use it. It's likely to only get bug fixes and security fixes. So I agree with that. I don't know that it's, you know, like a perfect answer. But well, no, no, I think, I think that's, that's definitely what we should be striving for. And really, over the past time or many years, I think that's what our update system has organically, you know, known into you is that it's basically raw. The concept of the unstable and stable branches, and you guys have to reach much more to keep that yellow.  And it has to work and it has to be quick. And it has to not get in people's world. But if we can do that, then I think that, you know, that'll be the place where people should be. And I think there's, there's so much inbuilt negative connotation with the name of raw hide that, you know, as part of doing that, I mean, maybe we keep raw hide where we just keep shoving stuff and we kind of ignore it.   And they run it through what OQA, and it's only once they've installed it, you know, run through their test of install suite stuff that they then make that available. And that's, you know, slight delay in that, but it means it's a better, you know, but they still have the factory where they just shove all this stuff in, you can use it if you want, but Well, I mean, that model works well. And there's, you know, similar, similar sort of concept with the nightly No. The problem with doing that at the release level is that there's something great and you then have to fix it. You have no release for two weeks while that one can be fixed. Unless you have to be able to go back to the actual level, then, okay, you've got to go back to the rest of the release.  So in theory, you're always going to have something out there. And it's going to happen frequently because stuff is changing. But you, you know, there may be things in the pipeline that are happening on the side that as they, you know, at least unbreak stuff, it can then come in. So the, what would be, you know, raw hide or whatever, you know, replaces raw hide would be this stable thing that's least the core part of it is never broken.  And once it's dealt with, it can then come in. But not until it's been dealt with properly.  And then we get into a situation where, you know, anaconda can be, you know, we can't create an installer for three weeks, because the package set that gets installed in for the anaconda runtime doesn't depth off, which happens. I mean, it's not just DNF.   And I mean, if upstream projects, whether they're Red Hat or otherwise aren't doing that, we have a number of other problems that unfortunately relanged can't fix.  It's not flexible. We may have this problem over time when we're comparing dependencies on the other languages, and they have cultures where APIs are simply not stable. If you go to a few projects, it would be very good, yeah. It's not really particularly bad. It's a good thing, but it can be actually. Yeah. And that's not normal. This is not something that cooling itself has been. I mean, the tooling is not going to fix it, but the tooling and the process that detects it. And then you have the have a policy or engine of some description that goes, Well, this is in ring zero, it can never be broken. Let's take it onto the site here. Let's either automatically rebuild things, or send notifications to people that hey, this thing has had its own name bump. So if we did, if we detect as soon as it's built, that it's broken stuff, we can then deal with it before it ever becomes something that's visible to the users. And we can highlight to the developers that this change you just pushed has caused these 50 things to break and deal with it appropriately. So got a bunch of ways to get there. Hopefully Koji 2 will enable us to do a lot more of the composed stuff inside of Koji. But I too, which is going to be deployed next week means that, or next week, I think it's going to deploy better too. It should mean that we have a bit more flexibility with our updates. What? I just wanted to give you a heart attack. And all the work we're doing in Pungy, you know, we need to be able to quickly iterate over everything we need to have like, which I think we're going to go with the product definition center, at least to look at it as a tool that defines what goes into each of the products so that we can keep track of, you know, what goes into composers, what came out of it, we can, you know, get start get implementing the things to give us the ability to implement rings and define what's in each of the different products and be able to support different life cycles and all that kind of stuff. Maybe Docker, I just threw it in that because it's the cool thing. And we need to be willing to fail. Yeah, we need to be willing to fail, we need to try things and then go, you know, this didn't work. Let's take a step back and reevaluate it. Historically, we've not done a good job of that. It's like, we've got to keep this, it's like we're in a big, huge big locomotive, and we're going to keep it moving and we're just going to keep moving. We can't ever stop it. We can't ever take it backwards. And, you know, we need to we can't do that anymore. Yeah.  The Docker, we need, I mean, yeah, we need to have. Right. I mean, so what Pungy is. Pungy. I mean, a lot of the images call out to the factory, a lot of media. Right. The integration is tight. Right. The integration is tight. So yeah, I mean, if, if we have the ability to do each of the things, I mean, we need to make atomic repos, we need to sit back. And I mean, we had this plan when we implemented the atomic stuff. And we make the repos and it's really not working very well, we need to step back, we need to reevaluate how we make the atomic repos, how the how the work is important to other people. Right. I mean, I'm asking about if you can build the things that we don't necessarily need on G, we need to have something that orchestrates. And maybe we don't need bungee longer term. Maybe if we put everything into Koji, and we have, you know, like in PDC, and we have something that's watching and goes, Oh, you know, this thing is just being built and in, you know, in the product definition that says, you know, it's in the work definition, let's go off and make that thing. It may be that we don't necessarily need, you know, punji or what punji is, you know, going forward is not going to look anything like what bungee is today. When you shoot or want to use Koji or whether it's fine as punji, I don't think it makes any difference. Doesn't actually going to be a bunch of code that similar to what it is now, because the outputs are still need to be at the moment. Yeah, what they are now. How do you need a lot of environment specific stuff set up? Yeah, it does. It's a little clunky. Yeah, and I mean, the very similar statement you saw sure you can pick you can pick which pile up completely undocumented code you want to stare at. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, longer term, you know, what punji is and may not look anything like what it does today. And it just may be, you know, the name that's the same I mean, so warhead changes I'd like to make there automatic side tags when like surnames and stuff bump so that we can deal with it have automated build QA so that whenever build is completed, you know, we I mean, ideally, I guess in the ideal world, we tag it, the build when it's completed into like a pending tag, we run a bunch of automated QA, we check surname, we check, you know, like licenses opium diff, you know, all sorts of whatever checks we can think of to run on it. We sign the RPM and it's only once you know, all the QA is passed and signed, it's tagged in. And ideally, that takes no more than, you know, three to five minutes. Because if you start adding a huge delay before that build gets into build routes and stuff, people will, you know, fight against it and complain and try to work around it and not work with us. You know, want to sign the RPMs in raw hide over the years from time to time, people are like, why is why is all hide not signed? And the way everything works today, it's just not possible to really do it. Make, you know, something that we should be turning on, hopefully, before F 23 better is, is more high will look like a release compose, we're going to make the workstation edition install, you know, the network install tree and the live the server deliverables, like all of the things that we make as part of a release compose is going to be right. Yeah. That that should be, you know, we should be making the steps of making that happen. You know, the live CDs will be on the mirrors and you won't have to go to Koji and go, where do I find the task for the last working, you know, workstation live CD and stuff like that. Yeah. And fully implement the ring stuff that Matt's been going on about for a few years now. Well, what does it mean? It means that, you know, we can we still need to define completely what all of that is. But you know, at least from my understanding, like the ring zero would be the minimal installation, and the suffice in the work in the base working group of a minimal installation, anaconda and its dependencies that the core stuff that you need to be able to run an anaconda to do a minimal install yet to be defined. But yeah, but you know, we kind of still need to define that we're out of time. So if anyone has more questions, or he is snorsy, going through the issue, which is great. And I want you to do it. But after that, the next step would be allowing layer products on tops on federal because I'm being working on the infrastructure side. And the problem is that we have very different schedule. We need to write packages. Yep. That's why some products are leaving federal, which is concerning. Yeah. And I want you to do it at some point, we'll be able to say, okay, you won't be federal, but you will be able to base products up on federal. We were using rainings and during, for instance, it's a very cool and maybe maybe it's something to be looked at. I mean, maybe we do it as in Florida and in Koji, or maybe it's done in copper. Doesn't stop. But yeah, I mean, having a way to do that, like support layered image stuff, or layered product stuff in Fedora, it's, it's something that, you know, all right, well, thank you all.