I go by the name of Shalameen the Tucker. I go by the name of Lemon the Schultz.  Welcome to another week of brilliant idiotness. From websites and online stores, the marketing tools and analytics, Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. There are no hidden fees or price hikes and all websites are optimized for mobile. And it's so simple. Start with a design template and use drag and drop tools to make it your own.  And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code IDIOT to save 10% off your first purchase. Let's start the show. Shalameen, aren't we really the podcast between Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon? Like if there was a podcast, if those two political journalists had a podcast, wouldn't it be brilliant idiots? I don't know because I think we're more logical. I don't think we're- Us? Yeah. Well, okay.  And I also don't think we're as performative as either- Us? Well, it's different. Our performative is actual performative. Meaning people come here because they know we're performing. Yes. I mean, you don't turn on the news. Yes. We're not lying about our performances. There you go. Okay, that's what I'm trying to say. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But I can see, you know, Lee Daniel said that he wanted to see that. By the way, Lee Daniel's statement made no sense. What did Lee Daniel say? Can you play it, Taylor? Just play it. Can you play what Lee Daniel said?   And I love Lee Daniels.  You know what I mean? Because he tries to say what he feels like his following is saying in the beginning, right? Listen. I don't know how I feel about that. How you feel about it? I mean, we know how I feel about that. Bye, bye, motherfucker. He's talking about Tucker. Don Lemon out, which is just like gut-ranging. Right, Jeremy? Gut-ranging. I mean, okay. So, but here's the thing. I got this an idea. I can't remember what you boys are thinking about this. Listen. Don Lemon, Tucker Carlson, if I were a smart executive, I'd put them both on the same TV show. How bananas with the ratings. That's crazy. Love it. Okay. And I think it could possibly unite the country too. Okay, let's stop right there. You start off by saying, how do we feel about Tucker Carlson? Bye, motherfucker. Bye. Yeah, yeah. But if I was a smart executive, I'd put him and Don Lemon on the same show. Could we even think about our takes anymore?  And I think he's on live. When he said it, when he said Don Lemon was gut-wrenching, did you think of gay jokes too? Or that was just me? He wouldn't have said gut-wrenching. He literally said that was gut-wrenching. It would have been gut-wrenching if it was a gay joke. Not if you go deep? That's deep. That's a fact. Son, if Don got it like that. That's a fact. That's a fact. But how do you feel about this whole situation? No, I want to know what you were thinking just right. I said what I was thinking. I was thinking gut-wrenching. But that's not deep enough, bro. You know Don packing?  You know what I'm saying? Don packing?  You don't know. That's why they call him Don Lemon. That's why they call him Don Lemon.   Come on, you don't think he was out at the Black Effect music festival doing work this weekend? To the podcast festival. No, we ain't seen Don out there.  By the way, y'all had to see this coming though, right? So what coming? Both of these firings. Listen, if it's in your guts, you're not going to see nothing coming, bro. Come on. You're going to feel it, though. You're definitely going to feel it. Just get your intestines slimed. Yeah. The reverse, they call it the reverse. You had to see this coming though, right? Yes.   Dude, why are you so horny, bro?  Come on, Charlotte. Did I see Don Lemon coming? What do porn stars and religious folks have in common? Eating the body of Jesus. They both get on their knees. And? Porn, they get on their knees for the first coming. Woo! Whoa! Religious folks get on their knees for the second coming. Woo! Woo! By the way, when I said eating the body of Jesus, I was talking about a Mexican. Listen, Charlotte may just got back from Atlanta. We are sassy this week. Atlanta was amazing. We are sassy. We had a ball in Atlanta. Just one? Just one. Hey! Come on, now! Come on! I told Travis, Luther, Travis, the homie. Travis is a cis. He's one of the kids. No, he's not a cis. That would make him a cis. Is he a cis? What does cis do to me? He's cis male. I call him cis.    So, Trav came to Atlanta this weekend. He came for the Black Effect podcast. Did he let you borrow his wrists? No, but I said to Trav, I said, Trav, you did not come to Atlanta for the Black Effect podcast festival. What did he come for?  Ooh! I just happened to pee. Ooh! We just happened to pee in Atlanta that weekend. Knock it off. You didn't come all the way from Philadelphia. You think he came just for the festival? No. Well, thank you, Trav. That's my guy. I love him. It wasn't as gay as I thought.  Like, I am. There's not just, stop stereotypes of Atlanta. What are you talking about? Atlanta's not gayed out like that. There was a lot of it. Yes. I mean, I thought it was gonna be like majority. Why?  So I can understand why y'all would think that. I am. The kids love me. The kids? The kids love me. I am. What is going on? What's going on?  So I understand y'all thinking that a large amount of the, see y'all don't know gaylingual, see? Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. I know a large amount of, I know y'all would think a large amount of gay people would be there. And they probably were. We don't know people's sexuality. They can't just look at somebody and tell them sexuality. What are you talking about? You can't. This is what I do most days of my life. Big gayed out energy? Pfft. What? What? Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. What's the fun? What's the fun? I just wanted to talk about Don Lemon and talk to him. Ask him a question? Yeah, ask him a question. If a guy wears an ankle bracelet, what's that to you? I think he's a prisoner. Don't talk to him. Don't talk to her. Don't talk to her. Are you dating a guy that's got an ankle bracelet? No, but there's a lot of guys that were sassy. That's all. That's not true. You don't think it's possible? It's 2023. People wear ankle bracelets as fashion statements. People get their fingernails painted as fashion statements.  I would say that. Metrosexual. I would say that straight men have been getting gayer of late. They should. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, but I'm saying the influence of gay men over straight men is profound these days. That is such a great point. 100%. Not enough gay men calling out straight men for cultural appropriation. Because back in the day, we used to want to be black.    So gay is the new cool. Yeah, black dudes used to be cool. Now, y'all old and wack.    Whoa. But we just did that to be like black dudes. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah. White dudes definitely got the patent on the gay.  Nah, bro. Hold on, hold on. No, white men?  No way, Jose. White men invented it, bro.  Not invented gay, but y'all were the first down low gay people. No. Easily. We was not down low. We were doing it above water, bro. No, by Charlotte. Socrates. They also invented MBA and look at how that went. No, no, we didn't just down low. You have to understand culturally speaking, white people have been open with homosexuality. Not true. Explain politicians then.  That's because of black people's effect on the world. Nope. Who was, what color was Jesus? What color was Jesus? Um, yellow. Bronze. Yellow. Oh, now he's yellow. Yellow. Interesting. Interesting. Because before he's black.   Jesus was black. Black comes in all shades. He can be bronze. All right. But let's, he's not white. Let's put it that way.  No, no, no.  What I'm saying is Jesus comes around.  Black Jesus. Black people. No. Black people. No.  It was pagans.    Jamaicans. I don't know. It is possible that Jamaicans got their hands on the Bible. Put that in Genesis. Yeah. Yeah. Put a chapter on that. Gay is an abomination.  Oh. So the black dude. So the black, I'm just saying Jesus was black. Jesus was not white. We know for a fact that Jesus was not white. Jesus didn't write the Bible. He wrote that new, new. No. The homies did. Jesus had nothing to do with none of that. Jesus is a mascot, bro. You're, you're being disrespected. I love our prophet Jesus. Wow. Jesus would technically Jesus wouldn't have a religion. No, Jesus would just be Jesus. No, Jesus was Jewish. He was a rabbi. He was a rabbi. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Devout Jew. It's anti-Semitic. It's not anti-Semitic.  I'm not a Christian.  That's all you are. You just want to be Jews, bro. I'm sorry.  It is what it is. It's hilarious. It's true. This is what it is.  I don't even know what that means, bro. Virgil. Virgil. Oh, Virgil. Virgil Mary would be a great... That'd be a great collab. You'd have to come in the warm-ups. You'd have to come in the warm-up. We just can't be put down. You warmed up in the radio. Listen, it's his... It's his first day with his own camera angle. I feel a little nervous. You got to get me bombing, bro. I'm sitting there thinking, like, I saw where he was going. I saw where he was going. He's on a vision. Okay, listen. Shout out Atlanta, man. So you're saying Atlanta is not the stereotype. It is not a gay city. I don't think Atlanta is no gay in any other place, bro.  Is it fair to say that it's black gayer than most other places?  Yeah, I can see that. That might be fair to say. I mean, I'm sure that there's a statistical fact behind that, but I can see that. I can see where black gay people have a great sense of community in Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's already a great black city, but it probably just feel... And I could be wrong, I'm just speaking. They probably feel safe with it in most places. Do you know what I mean?  No, I think that's... That's full black city.   Contribute to it being a great city.  We got to do something to undercut it like what they did with rollerblading. I don't think they care. Rollerblading. Skateboarders saw rollerblading coming on. Everybody who was rollerblading was becoming the most popular extreme sports, so skateboarders were invented that. What? I'm just telling you how white people operate now is different, dude. We could drone strike. No, we both miss warm-ups today. Don't bring me into your box. I'm out here, bro.  You afraid to acknowledge the homosexuality of the great city of Atlanta? No, Atlanta has homosexuals. I just don't know if it has any more homosexuals than any other city. At one point, it definitely did. I don't know if that stereotype still holds up now, because didn't San Francisco have the title for a minute? No, San Francisco had the title for a while, but was it a fun experience down there? Atlanta was incredible. We had a ball at the first ever Black Effect podcast festival, man. It is amazing how 10 years ago, 11 years ago, people didn't even know what a podcast was, but now we're able to have whole festivals. And for being partners with a company like I Heart, which is the biggest distributor of podcasts right now, and the biggest radio company, we have new tent poles, right? New tent pole events. Like it's not like back in the day where concerts are the tent pole events, music concerts and stuff like that. It's like what's happening now? What does that term mean, tent pole event? Tent pole. It's like Hot 97 has some of that. That's a tent pole event. You know what I mean? Z100 has Jingle Ball. That's a tent pole event, you know? So an event that is synonymous with the brand that everybody in the world knows? Absolutely. Absolutely. So you know, for me personally, I got a couple of those now. The Mental Wealth Expo is one. We'll be on our third year of that this year. And that's free. I let everybody in there free. I bring some of the best psychiatrists and therapists and spiritual leaders, just people that can help folks heal, bring them all in one room, have a day of panels and breakout rooms so people can go out and learn how to meditate and do yoga, all types of different stuff. And that's a free event that we do every year around World Mental Health Day. And now we have the Black Effect Podcast Festival. That'll be an annual event every year. That's fire. Yeah, man. I love it. And it was fun. It was a great thing to like watch it. I was speaking of the crowd. I guess that's why I wasn't focused on people's sexuality, right? In the crowd. I was focused on what, were people coming there just to see what it was? Or were people coming because they actually love podcasts? And you could tell by the crowd they were there to listen to the podcast. That's cool. You know what I mean? Like they were sitting. Like they were sitting. And when the podcast were on, they were listening. Don't get me wrong. You had like vendors and you had food and you had a lot of other stuff going on. And you know, we sold out. So there was a few thousand people there. But it's like, it was packed from beginning to end. From 11 a.m. to when we ended early, like six o'clock, seven o'clock, because I think it was supposed to be done at eight, but we ended at like six o'clock, seven o'clock. Packed the whole time. I got to give Charlemagne this credit. That was the most well-produced festival I've ever been to. And that was the first time I've ever seen that many black people show up on time for something. Wow. They were there at the very start, the place was packed. Yeah. Salute to Dolly, man. Dolly Bishop, president of the Black Effect Podcast Network, her and the whole Black Effect team, man. They made sure everything, all the T's were crossed and I's were dotted. Salute to I Heart. You know, they do great festivals. They do great events, you know? And just that combination of Dolly and Black Effect and I Heart, they made for a great event, man. Like it was flawless from beginning to end. Unbelievable. Loved it. Highlight. For you. Highlight for me. Ooh, that's a good one. What do you mean? Like for a concert wise? No, just like part of the whole experience. What was...  I mean, I enjoyed everybody that was up there, but I thoroughly enjoyed Heart with Decisions, man. I got a... They killed it? It's the best live podcast show I've ever seen, man. Really? Yeah, because they really have mastered the art of putting on a show in podcast form. It's a show. You know what I'm saying? They're the best. Everybody's good. You know what I mean? 85 South is great because it's improv.  But I'm talking about it as far as a show. Yeah. Yeah. Horrible decisions. Can you talk about that game that Horrible played? Which game? I forgot. They played a couple of them. The one with the couple. They bought Jess out? Nah, with the person you know. That was wild. That was crazy. That was wild. That made no sense.  What happened?  Who's he? My cousin.    No, that was horrible. That wasn't when we talked back. That was on Horrible Decisions stage. Yeah, because he went up there, the dance during we talked back, and he was on the Good Knees Challenge. Only guy up there. Like, you're the only... By the way, that says a lot. When you were in Atlanta, they do a Good Knees Challenge. Right?  Why? Wow. You know what I'm saying? Like, for what? Like, right, for what? Right? So he did the Good Knees Challenge. Then he went back up there and they played a game with Horrible Decisions and it's like, when you put your back to your partner and they ask you a question. So the question was, you and your wife, imagine you and your wife shows back to back. Yeah. When you sleep with one of your wife's friends, who would it be? Um... What would the answer be for you? Uh, wow. There's so many of them. Uh... Nah, nah, nah. These shows might can get that off because he's a comedian. Yeah. No, you got to say it, dude. That's the only... That's what I would just say. Why would they nobody? Well, because that's not funny. And I want to be entertained.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're not a comedian... If I could sleep with any of my wife's friends. And you're not a comedian. You just up there playing a game. Yeah. What would you want your wife to say? Honestly, I would sleep with my wife's best friend. Me. That's good. That's good. What would you want your wife to say? No. What would I want my wife to say? Yeah. If they say, if you could sleep with any of your show's friends who would it be? Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. I don't have any friends. The answer would be none. None. None. None.  Well, his wife said none. Okay.  Writes it on the paper. Says it out loud to all these thousands of people. God bless him. He understands how to entertain in a moment, bro. Didn't see him for the rest of the night. Bruh. You didn't come out. Bruh. You didn't come out. I don't know if he made it out, bro. That night was over, bro. Was she there? They were back to back. No, no, the best friend. Oh, I don't know, you know. That's a good question. Well, maybe. You know what I'm saying? That's a good question. I'm like, and I said to him, I said, why would you answer that? And he was like, yo, everybody laughed.    Yeah. Is she alive? Is the best friend alive? Because you can also say that.  Yeah, she's alive. Her wife's best friend that died. And then that's more understandable. She's alive. She was so tight. She was so tight. As you should have been. She was so tight. You ain't never living that one down. You're not living that one down, bro. You can't just make a statement like that and expect to go on about your life. Well, salute everybody who came to the Black Effect podcast festival. Thank you, man. Can't wait to do it again next year. Next year is already loading, baby. And you're going to do it again in Atlanta? Yes. We're going to do it again. I mean, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure we're going to do it. My boss said we're going to do it again in Atlanta. I think that makes sense. The boss being Dolly. Yeah. Yeah. I think that makes sense. If you have a, you know, a city that came out and supported it. Exactly. Absolutely. I agree. I agree. Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson, man. Can you make some sense of this to me because I just read the headline. I didn't care enough to really read into it to be completely honest with you. Why did they both get fired? Can we start with Tucker? You had to know Tucker was going to get fired when your company takes a $787 million hit in the lawsuit, bro. When something like that happens, you know heads are going to roll, right? Like you already know. Yeah. Heads are going to roll at Fox News when a company loses $787 million. And can we just clarify for the audience why they lost that lawsuit? They lost a defamation lawsuit because they said that, what they said was dominion. The voting machines were riggable. Yeah. Dominion is the company that makes the voting machine and they said that they had rigged the election without any proof. And a lot of things that came out during that case was that they knew, like a lot of the Fox News anchors didn't like Donald Trump. They knew Donald Trump was lying about the election being stolen. Yeah. They said these things, you know, in private text messages, right? But then they still went on air and, you know, pushed the lie that the election was stolen. Right. I just knew that a big head was going to roll. I didn't think it would be a Hannity. I could easily see it being a Tucker. Hannity is getting sued right now by a former producer of Fox News for sexual harassment. No. Yeah. Right now. So you're not about to cost the company more money. You know what I'm saying? And I think if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong. Chris, didn't he say some things about like the big wigs at Fox in the text messages too? Yeah. I mean, he basically went against all their narratives behind the scenes. So I don't know if internally that caused them issues with Rupert Murdoch. Now, Alex thinks that they're getting him out of here because they want to support Trump in his re-election campaign and they don't... They're going to support him anyway. We'll get behind it. Yeah, but those texts that came out, like he was really saying how much he hates Trump and... Yeah, but he went on air and did the complete opposite. I know. But the fact that the text came out, now Trump actually knows how he feels about him and so I think Trump just... Trump did an interview with him two weeks ago. What are y'all talking about? When he did. After the text came out? Yes. Trump did an interview with like a week, it wasn't that long ago. Google that. It was like literally like a week and a half ago Trump sat with Tucker Carlson. These guys are on the same page. They may say whatever about each other behind the scenes, but when they've all collectively said, that's what we're going to go get behind, that's what they're going to get behind. Like, what are we talking about? So basically the company takes a big loss. They've got to fire someone and make them kind of respond. Got to make an example. Interesting. They do this all the time. Make an example of what? I thought that everybody in the company has been, you know, found that they were doing the same exact thing. Yeah, but if Fox takes a credibility hit and they lose $787 million, you just got to make an example out of somebody. That's all. By the way, anybody they put in that time slot is going to be successful. We're acting like they didn't do this to O'Reilly, guys. So that's the other thing that's quite interesting, is that like I thought this had nothing to do with the big hit. I thought that Tucker believed that he could be making more money on his own and Fox believed that he wasn't worth the money that he wanted. And both of those things can be true. In other words, let's say Tucker's making $4 million a year, $5 million a year, something like that.  He can probably make more of that venturing out on his own, doing a substack, doing a Patreon, getting a crazy deal from a daily wire, a book deal, these types of things. Like he could make way more money. You hear of Caller Daddy making $60 million.  I don't know if people care about Tucker as much as they care about Fox news. But what I'm saying is Bill O'Reilly's definitely lost a lot of cash. You're right, you're right, you're right. What I'm saying is when you're involved in that you believe what people are telling you. People get locked up in their bubbles, right?  So he's going, I can make more money outside, which he might be able to. Fox is going, hey, you're part of the machine, right? Fox is like, hey, we're Saturday night live. We can fire someone, put a new person in and people are going to still watch it. So it kind of makes sense for both of them to separate because there is more money to be saved for Fox by not paying a guy like Tucker and more money to be made for Tucker by not being part of the big institute. But we know this was a firing and the reason you know it was a firing was Friday he just signed off. If it's not a firing, they let you do a last show. If it's a mutual parting ways, they let you say, okay, you got a month left or you got a week left or however long it is. You know it was a firing because he was there for, trust me, as a person who's been fired four times for a video and never had a proper sign off. They don't let you do that. He got fired. I've seen two weeks ago, Tucker Carlson interviews Donald Trump about his indictment and even Trump reacted to Tucker Carlson and said that he was surprised that they let him go. I'm curious though, if they took that big money hit, why would they get rid of their best rated show that makes them the most money? Because they took the credibility hit too. They took the credibility hit because people think that they got anchors on the air that are lying. I don't know who all those text messages were between but from what I saw, I think it was like Tucker, Laura Ingram, Tucker's definitely the biggest personality out of all of them. I'm sure Tucker also makes more money than anybody else.  You get rid of the big fish. This changes the conversation. Nobody's talking about them owning the million $787 million. That is true. You know what I'm saying? That is true. Now it's all about, we got rid of Tucker. I don't know who they're going to put in Tucker's place but I bet you that person will still have high ratings. I bet you Tucker goes to Daily Wire. I bet you Daily Wire right now is working out a deal with him. I saw Jesse Waters trending which made me think it was going to be him. Jesse, perfect. Yeah. You put Jesse Waters in that time slot, Jesse Waters still does numbers. Okay, now Don Lemon, why did Don Lemon get fired? Don Lemon got fired because Don Lemon just been racking up offenses, man. You know what I'm saying? I saw everybody posting this clip. It was the clip of Don Lemon talking to I can't even remember the guy's name. What was the guy's name? The Don Lemon was, that's the clip? Play that clip, Taylor. This is the clip that they're saying that the internet is saying got Don Lemon fired. So, hang on one second. So to say that black people, say what you said again.  Just study it. Only after their Second Amendment rights were secured. They were not secured their freedoms after the Civil War. That is not, you are discounting reconstruction, discounting a whole coast of things that happen after the Civil War when it comes to African-Americans, including the whole reason that the Civil Rights Movement happened is because black people did not secure their freedoms after the Civil War, and that things turned around. People tried to change the freedoms that were supposed to happen after the Civil War and reconstructed. And you know how they got it? They got their Second Amendment rights, and they actually got the NRA played a big role in that. But today, Don, the fight... The NRA did not play a big role in that. Absolutely, they trained black Americans how to use firearms. The part that I find... The part that I find insulting is when you say today black Americans don't have those rights after we have gone through Civil Rights Revolution in this country. The fact that I find insulting is that you are sitting here telling an African-American about the rights and what you find insulting about the way I live, the skin I live in every day. Here's where you and I have different point of view. I know the freedoms that black and white... that black people don't have in this country, and that black people do have. Well, here's where you and I have a different point of view. I think we should be able to express our views but I think it's insulting that you're sitting here as a fellow citizen. That you're sitting here whatever ethnicity you are explaining to me about what it's like to be black American. Whatever ethnicity I am, I'll tell you what I am. I'm an Indian-American, I'm proud of it, but I think we should have this debate. Black, white doesn't matter. Whatever ethnicity you are, you should do it in an honest way and in a fair way. And what you're doing is not an honest and fair way. We appreciate you coming on. With due respect, Don, I look forward to the New York Times. This is the interview that Don Lemon conducted last week and it played a role in his firing. I don't know if it did. I don't know if it did. I think that anybody that's saying that really hasn't been paying attention because there was a variety of article that came out like three weeks ago, the headline. This is a hit piece, right? This is Claire Expose. Don Lemon's misogyny at CNN exposed malicious texts mocking female co-workers and diva-like behavior. You know, and they got like 12 employees, former employees and I think even president employees who spoke on the record about how you know, Don allegedly isn't the most pleasant towards women. Then you put that on top of the comments he made about Nikki Haley saying women are in their prime after a certain age. Then in December, you know, he allegedly screamed at one of his co-hosts during a break. Like, y'all haven't been paying attention. Like, you know, if this came as a if this came as a shock to anybody you really haven't been paying attention though the picture they've been painting of Don Lemon over the past a few months. So it wasn't that back and forth with that guy that led to his firing. Is it possible this is just how you get treated in the workplace when a man doesn't want to sleep with you? Like, what I'm saying is how he was treating these women.  So he's just treating them as genderless employees, right? Yeah, but you can't yell at me.  Why can't you yell at people? Nah, you're not going to yell at me. You're not going to be my boss and yell at me. Why not? Because we're human. We're grown people. You're not going to let nobody yell at you.  Somebody yelled at me. I did not yell at you.  It's what we do every single week. Huffin' and puffin' about it. Oh, let me write an article.  I did not yell at you. I did not yell at you. Charlotte, man. I was a little bit of a yell.  That was a little bit of a yell. I was not yelling.  You think Don Lemon said anything meaner to any of the people that he worked with than what you just said to me? Yes. You're an animal, bro. He is a gay man.  I know he said things that were more vicious.   That's all we say.  And don't you ever. And you know what? I don't like your perfume either.    I have been. I just was read by a gay man. Okay, okay.  Oh. Actually, it depends. What do you mean? I'd rather you curse me out.  Way more. You know what I mean?    I'll call the police, bro. That was a real threat. That's a threat, bro. That is a real threat. I got to call the police. I got to call the authorities. I got to do something.  You might try to make me do that. All I'm saying is when you publicly... What I'm saying is he didn't speak no differently to anybody on his staff than you just did to me or to Taylor regularly. It's still the man-woman dynamic. We're two men talking to each other. Here's a perfect example. When we tease Taylor on the pod, we're not... We don't yell at her.   Is it an actor? I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know it was an actor. You do re-enact the Jurassic Park thing. This room is dirty as the other one. You know what's crazy? You didn't Taylor-proof this room. Taylor's over there. Did he stop? I thought she went to the snow. What do you mean Taylor's over there? Why do you think I'm sliding off the seat this way? I'm trying to stay on. But the room is at an angle now. It's just him projecting because he wants to be just as thick as me. That's all he does. I said, you know what Taylor said? It would take a man five years to wife her. I reduced it to three, but still. Three? Good for you. Good for you. That's not an early decision that you should be making. That's a decision for the rest of your life. 100%. I don't get it. What do you mean? I don't get it either. If you grow to love somebody and you enter them, what does it matter if it's three years? I feel like it takes more than a year to get to know someone. You were not with your woman for a year. Probably a year at the most. I don't know how long I was with her. But you said you knew she was the one by her. We're a little bit different. No, we are different. I told her that in the car earlier. I said, all you're telling me is that you met somebody that you mess with. Because this is an energy thing, right? You know that that woman was the one. I made a question. How old are you? 39. Oh, okay. I'm 31. So it is a little bit different. But maybe it's an important decision for her. I have trust issues and I have a father. That's it. The first one I get about the father.  They were together for about four years or something. No, no, no. They met in college. What? You're not going to do that. You're not going to do that. When did you first have sexual relations? I don't know. I bet you it was pretty fast. Whoa! Wait, come on! I don't know how fast it has sex. Because that's all part of it. It's not just about the sex flow. You meet with a person, you like them. You meet with somebody kind of quickly. No, I'm not saying you either. You said it took them four years to get married. Four or five years. They're in college though. Taylor, you want to make sure that someone is committed to you. It's not just that. I'm just trying to see if I'm going to like you enough to want to get married. And it's not only you like them. It's also you want to make sure that they'll be with you through the thick and the thick. I don't like that. What is that face? What is that face? I think you got it. I think you got it. I think you got it. Stop laughing like that, Taylor.  I don't think I'm jiggling because I'm laughing. Taylor, boo. Stop it right now. That's not real. The cameras tilted. I got three just angles. Come on, guys. I think, Taylor, I think that when you meet a guy, if you like him, you should try to bag him as soon as possible, Taylor. It's not hard to bag a nigga.  Once that person... I swear we're easy, but locking us down for life is not easy. And the nut is easy, but locking us down for life. That's right. Once that person gets to know you... They're going to fall in love with you.  Try and get back with me. They all DM me and tell me, man, you have no idea how glad I am I escaped that. No doubt. They don't say that. That's not true. It's absolutely true. I met one of them. The one I met at the movie theater said, man, I'm so glad. No, he didn't. I had a good one, but that was too harsh. Can you whisper it to me? You're not fat, but that would be too crazy. That would be too crazy. You're not fat, that's what I said I didn't say it. You are not fat. I didn't say it. That's my point. This guy's fat. This guy's fat. He's projecting, yo. He's projecting. This motherfucker's projecting. He got anxiety about his thickness. That's what he has. You got anxiety about your thickness. You trying to project that over to skinny little Taylor. We're going to call you skinny little board looking Taylor over there. You are skinny little. I don't put me in a rap and say I'm a blunt.  Hey, yo. Wow. Wow, bro. What is happening, dude? Yo, that Atlanta's crazy over here.  Do we need to drink a little bit? Come on, bro. Who smokes like that?  Come on, bro.   You just got out of prison. Let me get that.  That is wild, though. Taylor, you're nuts, man. You're nuts. But nah, the moral of the story is this is just business at the end of the day. And you know the other thing that people be talking about?  Their firings are a little different than our firings, guys. Like, Don Lemon is still over $20 million on his contract. He's going to get his money. You know what I'm saying? Ain't no telling how much Tucking Carlson has offered. It's got left on his deal. But he's going to get his money. They're going to get a payout. They're not going to just walk away from CNN. They're going to get a payout. Nobody's going to sign the NDA because they're going to want to get their severance. Just retired. It's a generational wealth type of severance. This is the best situation possible. Yeah, they all going to walk away with a bag, man. It's just interesting to know when I see people say things like, I saw Insult My Man, DL Hugley, I saw DL Hugley talk about the difference in how they announced both announcements. They said, Fox parted ways with Tucker. CNN But that's not true. The first thing that the CNN said was we parted ways with Don Lemon and we were going to be cheering for him on his future endeavors. And then Don went on Twitter and was like, he was shocked and he was surprised and everything else. And then CNN came back and was like, that's simply not true. We gave Don an opportunity to talk to management and he chose not to talk to us. He chose to run to Twitter. And then one that went out there and said, I got fired. I was surprised. And then did the same things that we parted ways with him, yada, yada, yada. We wish him the best. We're cheering for him from the sideline. It's just strange, man. Anything to the fact that it happened on the same day? I don't know. I'd be wondering about that type of shit, too.  You think it's a whole big conspiracy going on, right? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are we at the end of a quarter? Are we at the end of an economic quarter? Are we? What is it, April? Going into May? Maybe. I think first quarter might just be over. Getting debt off the books could increase stock price, could affect stock price in some way. Now it's through March. Through March. So this is a brand new quarter that we're in right now. Yeah. A few two starts April 1st. Gotcha. That's what Lemons said and Don said in his statement, I was informed this morning by my agent that I had been terminated by CNN. I am stunned. And I would have thought that someone in management would have had the DC to tell me directly. CNN posted before that they just they parted ways and they was cheering for him. But you know, who knows, man. It was crazy. They both got the same lawyer. Brian Friedman. Brian Friedman going to get paid. Yep. Carlson and Lemon are retaining Brian Friedman services. Brian is the famed attorney who worked to help Megan Kelly secure around 30 million from NBC news after she decided to make her exit from the network back in 2019. Shout out to Megan, bro. Brian Friedman about to get Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson paid. Don got like 20 million left on his contract. I don't know how much Tucker has. And look, I don't know what allegations are true and what allegations are not true. I just know that when you have a whole article like variety wrote that's not good for you. Hold on. When you have money left on your, when you're in a car accident you get what's called a settlement. That's right. A settlement is tax free. It is not income. It is what someone believes you're owed. So that 10 million dollars you get in a car accident settlement is really like getting paid 20 million dollars. Because assume the government would take 50% of taxes. Okay.  Well, yes. But we'll talk to about that later. The, what I'm wondering here is when they figure out the deal with what both of them get paid do they get a settlement from the network? And if that is the case. Sure. They could get a settlement for 10 million which is actually 20 million if he was getting revenue because he wouldn't have to pay taxes. Or because they're paying him what he would make because that money considered income. They're probably just going to pay him the rest of his contract which is great. But what I'm saying is if they're marking it as a settlement they could pay him half the amount he was going to get. They get to save money and he also saves money because the tax men get nothing. I don't know. I don't know how that works. I don't know. But either way I know he about to get paid. I mean think about it. 20 million might have been over the next couple of years.  You know what I mean?  You know what I mean? You think making Kelly trippin? Making got her 30 million. He probably started a podcast somewhere. She might in her goddamn business. Living her life, man. What else we got, man? What else we got, Taylor gang? Taylor gang. Oh my God. Let's talk about this fight. You want to pay some bills? Yeah, let's pay some bills. Who do we got today? Salute the talk space, man. We love talk space, man. You know I'm a big proponent of therapy I think everybody should have somebody to talk to whether it's a therapist, psychiatrist, whatever it is. 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I got some shows coming up. Man, shout out to everybody out there and Cali that sold out the shows in Temecula, California and Reno. We're trying to see if we can add another show to Reno. We got a few tickets left to Gary, Indiana and then Calgary as well. TheIndraShows.com go check those out. We'll be adding more shows in different cities soon. Very excited to be back on the road this summer and thank you guys so much for gobbling up those tickets so fast. I appreciate y'all. TheIndraShows.com Charlotte, man. Damn, my church announcements. What do I got? Make sure you go check out Summer of 85 and finding Temecula on Audible brought to you by SBA Productions. Make sure you go get Temecula Mallory, State of Emergency, How to Win in the country we build. Go get Anita Kopeck, Shallow Waters, all available via Black Privilege Publicist, Simon & Schuster. Can't wait to announce what titles. We got two titles coming out later this year, man. One of them I really really, I mean, both of them I really can't wait to announce, but one of them, man, when we announce it, you'll understand why it means so much to me. Damn, I don't really have much. Oh, I'm hosting the Daily Show the week of May 15th. Yes, you are. May 15th, I'm hosting the Daily Show on Comedy Center. How you feel? What's the vibes? You know what's so interesting about shows like the Daily Show? Shows like the Daily Show, you realize they're just for a whole other audience. So, like, even the people that have come up to me thus far, you know, just to be like, if I ain't right, are you hosting the Daily Show on the week of May 15th? It's like, old white people. Like, this is the truth to the matter, you know what I mean? So, it's just, it's just, it's going to be fun.   Yeah. Got a little game playing. I like it. You got to have a target. You got to have something. Target. You want to go after. And then even just the guests, right? Like, do you know the guests already? I don't know all the guests. I know who I've said I want on the show that week. Pretty much all of them have confirmed with me. Okay. They got to confirm with Booker at the Daily Show. Gotcha. But yeah, I can't wait.  It's going to be fun. I'm just going to go out there and have fun, man. Yeah. Week of May 15th. I'm excited for that, man. I'm excited for that.  And I think you can have a very unique spin. Um, well, the unique spin is just, you know what, I'm not going to talk about it. Yeah. It's going to be special, man. And Ryan Garcia, this fight went exactly the way I thought it was going to go. This kid is special. Cavante is special. It went exactly the way I thought it was going to go. The only critique I had of the fight, I had tank winning, had tank, you know, in a stoppage yard knockout. Because, you know, Ryan's jaw is weak. His chin is weak. But what I thought is if tank can take Ryan's power because of tanks, I mean because of Ryan's reach, his power, I said it was going to be a easy, easy night for tank and a long night for Ryan. And yo, Ryan didn't even use none of his advantages. Well, I think you got to give credit to tanks for taking them away. Taking them away, right? I mean, this kid is really special. Tank is really, truly special.  His IQ is through the roof. Yeah. Like, I think the only, the only person that I want to see him fight, to be completely honest, is Lomachenko. Because I just want to see those masterful IQs go head to head. Nah, it's like three I want to see. Actually four. What are you talking about? Like Devin Haney is your core student. I want to see Devin. I want to see Shikor. I want to see Lomachenko. I want to see Lopez. Tepema Lopez. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of good guys that tank can go at. And I hope that he fights the winner of Lomachenko, Devin Haney. I don't know if Lomachenko is beating Devin Haney though, bro. Let's see. Let's see what happens. Another tough fight for sure.  Very talented, man. Very talented. But this guy tank, I mean, the way that he digest information that first round, he's just kind of like seeing what you're throwing. After the first or second round, he knew every single thing that Ryan Garcia was going to do. Every once in a while, Ryan would catch him off guard with like a right hand, because Ryan was hesitant to throw that right hand. He's very left-hand dominant fighter. But tank does this amazing thing. His level changing ability. I haven't seen anybody do this in boxing that well. I've seen people move side to side. I haven't seen people use up and down as effectively as tank uses it. So tank has these incredible like fast twitch muscle fibers in his legs or something, but he can squat and get back up. That's right. To position lightning speed. Mike used to do that. Say again? Mike used to do that. Yeah, Mike. If you even think about Mike, he did have that ability, but Mike is coming in like this, moving side to side. Mike wasn't as good a boxer as Javante Davis is. I mean, the way that he counter punches. So look, if you look at both knockouts, right? Both knockouts are from a slip and like a little bit of a squat and then a quick left hand that he counters with. So I think that, yeah, this one is going to be a little bit. This is subscribe what you watch. Yeah, I'm trying to think. Oh, look, do you see how that little squat right there? That liver punch. Yeah. What's so crazy.  He's going to run right into something like that is the worst thing to do the tank. He thought he could handle it. And he ran right into it. Exactly. He's an unbelievably accurate counter puncher as well. Like if you look at the accuracy on both of those shots, that liver shot that he hit was perfect. And then when he caught him with the same left hands, you know, tank stayed low majority of the fight. Look at it. Majority of the fight.  We're watching the fight.  And I was watching the fight with like my wife and Dolly and they don't watch boxing. Yeah.   They're like, what are you talking about? They're like, no, it's not.   Like this guy's he's gas died. I said by seventh, eighth round, it's a wrap. Yeah. Seven for our liver shot. Bong. He got he made Ryan very scared to throw everything Ryan was throwing. He was looking like he was trying to protect himself after he went down.  No, if you notice, like there's a lot of points in time where Ryan would defend a counter punch and he would just kind of put both of his mitts up on his face and then bend over. It almost looked like he was like stopping the fight a few different times. And you guys noticed that? Yeah. And I think that he was just catching him with those counters to his face and then look at this shot. He knew it was over right then and then watch how you watch how he gets up and walks through the ring like, watch, he's like, he's like watch how he gets up. He's like, yeah. He gets up and he's like, dad, do we have to go back out there? I think Ryan is good, but I don't think Ryan had no business in the ring with you. He's a great kid. Great for the sport of boxing. He made a good adjustment early. When Ryan, like first two rounds, Davis was getting just getting the straight right through. And so that's when Ryan put both of his arms up. And then that's when Davis just started attacking his body crazy. And he had nothing for that. Nothing for that after that.  But listen, I got to see Tank, I got to see Tank fight the winner Loma Chinco Haney because, you know, Tank don't really got no belts, man. Haney got all the belts. Oh, wow. It's funny. He's the biggest name. No, this wasn't even a title fight. Isn't that crazy? Tank got to see it wasn't even a title fight. This is the biggest name of boxing right here. Yeah. It's not even close. Fury. Yeah, Fury. But I think for whatever reason, Tank just cracked the top 10, the pound for pound best boxing. I mean, I don't understand it. I don't understand it. But maybe I guess he hasn't fought elite guys. I'm trying to think the other people he fought. He had a rough fight against a guy named Pitbull Cruz. Some people said Cruz could have gotten that one and who knows. But I think the way that you fight Tank is you apply pressure. But you have It's very dangerous if you can't take the shot because he's going to land either a left uppercut or he's going to land.  I was crazy. Yeah. It's like it's weird. It's like a left even though it's like, I guess power punching hand. It's like almost like a left hook. He throws it at a really weird angle, but it's really a shot.  It seemed like he used it in the first round, though. Yeah. And he would throw it. He kept throwing it.  He couldn't land the hook at all. And then Ryan was trying to bait Tank a little bit because Ryan likes to counter with the hook. If he was trying to draw Tank in, you're not going to beat Tank on speed. Tank is faster.  It was a dangerous game to play. If you look at the first knockdown, Ryan tries to invite him in a little bit and then Tank counters the hook. It was crazy. I think Ryan was saying he was going to knock Tank out in two rounds. So I think in the second round he went for it. He paid for going for it. All right. What else we got, man? That was a great fight, though. It was so much fun to watch. I think it was fun because it was a Saturday night. It was a super fight, man. If you were boxing fans. Oh, that's great. And it went after it. And it was tactical. And both of them have power. And watching Tank is so much fun because you know he has the power to end it at any point in time. The reason heavyweight boxing is so exciting, and I think the reason why UFC is often so exciting. Somebody might die at any point in time. So you know one punch has to land for the whole fight to change. Sometimes when you have fights that neither guy can hurt one another, I can see why the audience starts to think that they're boring. You have to have a real appreciation for boxing to love Floyd Mayweather. Because you have to like the defensive style. You have to love the counter punching. You have to love what he's doing to his opponent. For the casual fan, we like knockouts, baby. Casual fan want to see somebody bleed.  Scroll back up, Taylor. You're being mad at a fan. This was really unfair. To who? To Pete.  We don't know what you said to Pete. I didn't even ask him. The fan is hugging on him constantly. They just showed the last hug. Like, look it, that's one time he goes to the hug.  Two times goes for the hug.  Why they call you PDD, yo? Three times.  That's three times, bro.  That's three times, yo.  By the way, I didn't even see that. I only saw the end part.  The last one looks like Pete just pushing his old man. But if you see the whole video, the old man is a weirdo. And we don't know what the old man is saying. Don't matter what he said. Don't hug me. I see him asking about the glizzy. This guy is great. It's like, yo, you got the glizzy? You really got the 10-inch glizzy? Yo, you can get sturdy with the glizzy? Remember, it's New York, yo. You can get sturdy with the glizzy? Yo, let me see you and some Timbs with the glizzy out, yo. Yo. That is crazy. Yo, yo, yo. Your glizzy is 10-inch?  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Pete pointed his mouth. That's weird. That's the only thing I understand.     Me. By the way, Pete don't bother nobody. Pete is a calm, cool kid.  By the way, this is one of those things where I'm glad the Internet exists because if it was just one media outlet that got the video and only played the last part. You think Pete was being asked? I only saw the last part.  Yeah, this is one of those things where it's like... Yeah.   Yeah.  How you can smell good, too? What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, you got to know why he pointed at himself, yo. You got to know why he pointed at himself. What if he thought he was someone else? What if he thought Pete was a different dude? Clearly, right? Like, you don't hug up on a... You either really love a person or you think that's your friend. Who did he think it was? Adam Sandler? Yo, what if he's like, yo, Adam, your skin looks great, bro. I didn't realize you're this tall. What are you talking about?     They gonna finish off... I love delusional Cowboys, man, taking their delusion to the Knicks. You see what's happening in the league? It's not delusion. It could potentially be a New York, New York, Los Angeles, Lincoln finals, yo. That's what's gonna happen. That's what I picked at the beginning of the year, so I'm sticking to that. But it could be a New York, Knicks, Lakers finals.  Jimmy is him. Who? Jimmy Butler? Did you see the game Jimmy put up last night? Knicks beat the Heat in six. We want the Heat. We do not want to go up against Giannis. But Giannis is hurt. I'm still hooping, though. He played last night. It doesn't matter. He's gonna be healed by the time we play him. I want the Heat when they're beating down old legs. Give me old legs, yo. Give me old legs. Now Jimmy is a dog. He's an absolute animal.  It's crazy. He just said, give me that. I think in the first quarter, he had 20 points. And he went for like nine of 10 shoots. 22, 22 points.  They went down. Everybody thought they were out of it. He put them on their back again. Anyway. What people aren't seeing about the Knicks, the Knicks have a true leader now. Jalen Brunson. True leader. Absolute true leader. He's the difference between the Dallas Mavericks going to the Western Conference Finals last year. Yep.  They got a scorer in RJ Barrett. They got another scorer in Julius Randall when he's on. And they play good defense. The Knicks have an identity. Let me tell you something. I think the Knicks can go to the NBA final. Let me tell you something. There's a very important component to this team. And that is Josh Hart. Josh be balling. I watched that playoff. First of all, New Yorkers are going to fall in love with this kid. They already have. But this is like the perfect New York Knick. We love a go after it. Get hungry. Get busy type dude. Josh Hart had three offensive rebounds in a row in the last like three or four minutes of that game. It was amazing to see him get extra possessions for that. We were talking to a guy. How tall is Josh Hart? He's about 6'6". Okay. I don't even know if he's 6'6". But whatever. It doesn't matter. Maybe he is. What I'm saying is he was getting busy on those offensive boards creating alternative possessions for the Knicks so we could actually win this game. Huge, big. And he's going, I'm playing 48 minutes. There's a great little cutaway where Tibidot pulls him aside. He takes my views. I'm resting you for 60 seconds. You're right back in there. And he looks right at Tibs and he goes, I play all 48. New Yorkers, we love that. Give us everything. Give us your mouth. You are different now, bro. Two more Black Effect podcasts in Atlanta. You going to be on the read. What you mean? What else we got? Phil Jackson. Big Philly. Did not like BLM logos on the court. Let's hear what Phil Jackson had to say. It wasn't only that. You giving this a bad read. I just read the headline, man. Listen to what he said. He said he doesn't like how many Blacks there are in the league. He would have never won a championship without him. Immediately from the time you stopped coaching? No, I didn't. I watched some of the game evolve and decided and they went into the lockout year and they did something that was kind of wanky. They did a bubble down in Orlando and all the teams that could qualify they stayed down there. No audience.  I don't remember that. Somebody had another name for a guy who was Jersey in the back of Jersey had some other slogan. So my grandkids would play up those names. So I couldn't watch that. Lakers won actually. They won that year. Do you feel like it just made little of the game, like a side show? What do you think it was that turned you off? It was they even had slogans on the floor on the baseline. It was catering. It was trying to cater to an audience to play a certain audience and to play. They didn't know it was turning other people off. People want to see sports as non-political. We've had a lot of different type of players that have gone on to be like Bill Bradley is a senator number of baseball players representatives and senators and political but their politics stay out of the game. It doesn't need to be there. He should have led with that. He should have led with Keap Politics out of the game. I just want to see people play sports. Because as a coach who wouldn't be who he is without players, especially black players he has to understand that NBA is a players league. And if the players decide that's what they want to do if that's what they want to put on their jerseys if that's what they want to put on the sidelines, so be it. I think there's an interesting thing that happens with people they want politics out of sports or out of their life when it's not their politics. And when it's your politics you're 100% okay with it. Now here's the thing. Part of a guy who lives in Montana a Montana conservative a Montana conservative is like get out of my business government let me do my thing. I come here to be free. I have my land.  I don't need your permission for anything. I just want my complete freedom. So he's looking at this and he's going wow, politics is now inserted into this game. And part of his identity and one of the things that he's virtuous about is his own freedom to express himself in whatever way he wants. And he's probably asked his players to do that. He's having his players read Native American books to do random rituals. He's doing all these things. He's pushing his beliefs on his players 100% and hoping that will lead them to victory. He wanted them to buy into the Zinn the Zinn lifestyle his culture, his politics and it worked tremendously. But I think that this is really just a function of don't, what is that saying don't tread on me.  For example if your neighbor is playing music right and it's your favorite music you're like that motherfucker got a great taste.    You know what I mean?  You know what I'm saying?  They were already doing that before. And then they were really saying you were fine when World Peace hit a three out of nowhere that saved you a championship. That was okay. I don't remember announcing a saying equality drove to the basket.   I don't remember announcing a saying like social justice just got a rebound. Announcers were still calling the players by actual names. For sure. I think he's also just old. This is what happens to old people. The world is changing and I don't like it. I can't wait to see what I hate at 70.  No. You've been donkey of the dame for the last decade. Donkey of the day isn't about hate though.  Sometimes I change my mind during donkey of the day.   And she said God told her to do it. In the middle of it I'm like why how do I know what God told her to do? Why would God make her do that? She said she's performing a service and it's kind of true bro. What do you mean we all watch porn? No we don't. Yes we do. You love it.  You're getting a stiffy right now thinking about it. It does make you get a stiffy.  But it's just a bad thing. There's nobody that does porn and is proud that they did it. Every person that does porn regrets it. You ask every single one of them later on in life. They're like I wish I never did that. And nobody that has success goes into it. Nobody that's famous, rich and has accomplished things in life goes I think I'd like to do porn now. And that's how you know that it's not, name a person that is successful, rich and accomplished. Only fans now right? Only fans isn't porn. It can't be porn. But name a person that's successful, accomplished and rich that is doing it only fans right? What's that girl's name, bad baby or whatever? She ain't on any wall. She's not on any more? Even if she's doing it for money, they're doing it because they need money. If they didn't need money, they wouldn't do it. Yeah, her songs weren't slapping. She didn't really have anything going for her music-wise. Yeah, it's the easiest, listen, as a woman, the easiest way for you to make money is by selling your body in some way. That is also true. As a beautiful woman or a famous woman, the easiest way that you can make money is by selling your body. And as a woman in general, the easiest way that you can make money is by selling your body. Showing off that holy trinity. You know what the holy trinity is. Bang, bang. Oh, bang. Oh, you don't even put titties in a holy trinity? No. You're not into titties. Holy. You didn't think that in the beginning, you didn't think that in the beginning, but that guy's good. That guy's good. You didn't know that when you first said it? No, you didn't. You said it enough times and then it hit. Holy trinity.  We appreciate your service, man. You know what I'm saying? We appreciate your service. Everyone of them regrets it.  It's like... Yo, the church says come as you are. The church's gonna accept you.  You think they come in and porn? Yes, the squirters? Biden? Listen, when you start your video off saying whatever you put out your statement, and it says fucking, you're in condition to run.  I hate it. Democrats are goofy, bro. Look how goofy y'all are. Y'all really judge Trump and people who like Trump when you got this motherfucker running again? What did he say? Freedom. Oh, Jesus. Social freedom is fundamental to who we are as Americans. There's nothing more important, nothing more sacred. That's been the work of my first term, to fight for our democracy. Americans are shamblin' for what he said. To protect our rights, to make sure that everyone in this country is treated equally, and that everyone is given a fair shot.  The world is in shamblin'. Aren't you embarrassed to be a Democrat? I'm not a Democrat. Yeah, boy. I'm not a Republican either. I'm nothing. I'm not saying you gotta be Republican. I'm just out here. What about you, Chris? You like Biden? You voting for Biden again? I think we could use a fresh new person on the scene. That's why it's wack that the DNC won't let nobody pry. They won't do no primaries next year, man.   What else we got, Taylor, gang? Man, Matt et al for crying on the plane. He's a sucker. If that woman was on the plane with her husband, he wouldn't play with her like that. Different situation. What else we got, Taylor? Oh, this is interesting. Designer masturbated on a plane. He said he wasn't high. He wasn't under the influence of nothing. He said it was because of mental health issues he's currently facing. He was charged for allegedly masturbating on the plane. He's been hit with a decent exposure charge. His court hearing will be scheduled soon. Wait, was he in his seat? He said, I am ashamed of my actions that happened on that plane. I landed back in the States and admitted myself to a facility to help me. I'll be canceling all of my shows and any obligations to tell further notice. Mental health is real, guys. Please pray for me. If you're not feeling like yourself, please get help. Didn't you say something to the doctors, too? According to legal docs, flight attendants had led you to a multiple times to stop and he eventually was taken to the back of the plane when he was monitored by two of his friends. The FBI affidavit said the jar of Vaseline dropped into the aisle as he was getting up to switch seats. First of all... How you got a jar onto the plane? Who jerks off of Vaseline? I don't think nobody's ever jerked off of Vaseline in the history of life. Avino is the best.  I bet you never nut it. I did nut every single time. I do two days. I go back to back. Isn't it harder? No, it's soft. It's smooth. It's the best. It's like saliva on steroids. I've tried Vaseline. I didn't like it. What? What do you use? Avino. Avino are jerkins. Jerk with the jerkins. I'm jacking off with jerkins. But this whole bottle of Viagra isn't working. Jesus Christ.  Yo, that is selfish.  That's self-indulgent, bro. Who got that kind of time? Yeah. What did he say? Oh, after landing in many Annapolis authorities that he spoke with he's not here. Who told them it all happened to him? I don't know. Who told them it all happened. It's just a fascinating humor. It all happened. Just a fascinating humor. A two-time New York Times bestseller just read many Annapolis. He put four more letters into a word that doesn't have them. Many Annapolis. After landing in Minneapolis authorities say they spoke with designer who told them it all happened because he really didn't get much cootie while in Japan and was brick hard. What he's got on his plate. This guy, this guy right here. That's your excuse?   He really said that. No way. They sell it all. They sell it all. Come on, Chris. Chris. What?  Be honest. I think sex is sold everywhere in the world. Isn't it a little bit more in Japan? Isn't it a little bit more in Japan? No, I don't think so, actually. What you mean, bro? Yes, you could buy a little Japanese pussy out there.  Son, just the way he drops it is crazy. Son. Son. Why are y'all laughing? Come on, bro. You know you can't. But you know what, that's an honest excuse, man. What you mean it's an honest excuse? That's an honest excuse, man. Why would you jack it off in the plane?   Bro, go in the bathroom at least, bro. Yeah, that's crazy he did it in his seat. You could go to the bathroom and just beat Dave.   For real? Hell yeah. Is it on the body? What does that mean, is it on the body? Are they at the meat market? What do you mean?  No, like I actually can go buy a vagina lip.  They definitely have the VR robots out there, though. 100%. You didn't apply yourself, but I'm glad he's going to get his mental health situated. What else we got, Taylor Gang? What's that? Just throw me your phone. Was that the great Dr. Umar Johnson? Don't you ever refer to that man as this guy?  That is Dr. Umar Johnson.  Are we still in the 21st century? Yes. Let's say what he had to say.  That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? That's kind of wild, bro. He couldn't wait until he got off the plane. He was brick hard, man. He was super bricked up. What do you think happened? Chris, have you ever been to Japan? I have not.  Like I said, it's the same as anywhere else. I mean, I know that... Chris bleeding to fit for a reason. Yeah. You sound mad guilty, Chris. There was a camera on you.  Come on, Chris. Come on, Chris. Come on, Chris. Chris knows something we don't know. Chris. I want to know what Chris knows. W-Y-G-D-N. What does that mean? Come on. Come on, Chris. Tell us about that W-Y-G-D-N. Chris, tell us about that W-Y-G-D-N. Chris going there with $100. $100 American dollars. What y'all gonna do now? What y'all gonna do now? Come on now, Chris. Woo. You drop a hundo on him. Woo. Let's see what Dr. Umar said tail again. Pull up season. Pull up season. I was too tired to go to the fight yesterday. I just ordered it on my phone. Tank was victorious. Tank was victorious. The ancestors blessed our young Baltimore brother. Keep going, Tank. You to go, brother. You to go in boxing. I'm the goat in black consciousness. Let's keep on going. Peace and pan-Africanism to all my brothers. We're African queens. Peace and pan-Africanism to all my brothers. We're African sisters with European hair color. Peace and pan-Africanism to all my beautiful African sisters with natural hair. Peace and pan-Africanism to all my beautiful African sisters who are not making babies with coons. Peace and pan-Africanism to all revolutionary activists around the world. Just pull up season. He's the goat, bro. Nah, he's the goat. He acknowledged the boxing goat and then he hit you with a six piece combo.   That's phenomenal. I'm playing with dr Umar. Why don't we have him on the podcast? He got to be the first guest on the pod. He said you got to pay him I told you that let's donate some money. He told you he said you got to pay him. He told you what it was What did wait how much? I don't know. He never said a number. He just said I will donate some money to the school I'm saying brilliant idiots.    What it's 209. Let's go. You ready? Taylor gang Okay, oh This is a good one. Is that right? Yeah, Zachary Talibans says what law from the 48 laws of power have you applied to your life? most Easy, I don't know enough talk to me Appeared dumb it in your mark. Ooh That's the one The underscore corner says oh I don't want to read down. That's it crazy that is this could be a good one But I wanted to go crazy. Why why why why say who would you rather be stuck on an island with for 24 hours young Miami? a JT designer Japan's an island, isn't it? Yo, isn't Japan Wouldn't you want to be stuck on an island with designer?  Let's start a fire.  Social media Would be the same as now Probably worse bro Yeah, wait, so what is the question like so would social media be different now if our generation had social media Yeah, would it be the same would it be the same now?  I want a flip phone their rebellion to create their own identity would make them reject social media I think our memory would be shit if we grew up with smartphones and social media I don't think you'd be able to remember no jokes.  I feel that way in their brain You know what I'm saying like like if you saw me I go to I got the black effect podcast festival this weekend I ain't taking no pictures. I wasn't recording or anything like that. I'm enjoying the moment. I'm taking it all in I'm I'm processing how it actually feel and that but that the next day. I'm like damn I'm gonna relive that again. Mmm. You know what I'm saying?   Sometimes you don't have the time for a conversation Sure, but I could say what's up? How are you man? You good?  All you care about is yourself and how you can feed your algorithm on isn't that just a version of can I get an autograph when we were growing up? Yeah, I think I think in a way coming up and asking someone for a picture quickly is respecting our time because it's like yo, I Know you got a million things to do I'm even inconvenienced you asking for a picture, but can I just get a quick pic and then be out here I love when people do that because it's just like they're considering I might be doing something I wanted yeah, and they don't want to interrupt that. I'm not saying I want to have a podcast with you Right, but you know what I mean?   Just something has anyone asked you for an autograph in like the last ten years. Yes, dude did the other day And I thought he was getting over on me a dude had me sign a paper He's like, yo, can you sign this and then I signed another one as well And I think he was like an autograph hunter people they sell them And I think what they do is like they can print an image on the paper That you sign but your autograph still got me careful lies on top of it So I did it, but I was just like I was like, yo, this feels peculiar like I don't know what's going on But I imagine what his game is I'm gonna get dudes kind of earlier on in their career And then if they go and become the fucking guy, I've got an autograph picture of them But it struck me as something you know, that was a little bit you should have like two autographs like Easy one and then the regular one that's funny. That's funny. Yeah, I think um I like to Chris, but I signed autographs all time people come to me my books You know, I can see but I'm shocked that anyone wouldn't even ask for it. It's very rare now. Yes, it's rare You know, it's actually when I do get it. I'm like, man, let's just take a picture. Yeah Mr. Dups This is why we this is why we're here, but that's different though. Yeah, but you started with it Autographs more intimate like it is people. I wish people would do it out in 2023 No, he's happy about back in the day. Oh jazz cheetah.  My answer is I'm good, but I want to know your answer.  You got to push them You don't know how ten inches of dick probably you amazing you wouldn't take you right now Let's say you got whatever you say you have eight and three fourths in the summer Seven seven three fourths eight in the summer. Okay eight in the summer.   What?    Hold on.   They can't believe nothing. She says no A good-looking multi-millionaire guy before that's your fault you keep missing your blessing Why wouldn't you take a good? Why wouldn't you date a good-looking funny? Let's say God was multi-millionaire from your home? He's Kevin Hart like he's still Kevin Hart. What did I just say? I'm just asking Are you saying Kevin Hart like actual Kevin Hart You gonna dig exactly In order to be fun for now stop it in order to be five four you have to have in the heart You have to be Kevin Hart. It's not cuz he's funny cuz he's rich and successful. It's not cuz he's funny There's a lot of five four funny motherfuckers out there that they work at the time of day Every time you go to Chick-fil-A Rich like I've definitely done people that were Why would you hide shame somebody you were asking women things that we don't need to ask them about They just know no offense obviously to women, but they have no clue why they date anybody they date in five minutes They don't want nobody with attention.   It's not just you and man are the same way We're the same way We always think the best of ourselves in every situation So women think the best of ourselves in this situation with the people they date You're like I would date him cuz he's funny. That's not the reason No, I love that he has security to like I don't want I need to feel secure What is the security?    Of course and most women would say the exact same thing.    Do I was a woman ever talked about me like that?    You want that tin, bro? I'm telling you that tin, bro.   What is going on right now? What is going on? What did you just say? I don't know look go come on. Come on. What else we got Taylor gang Young Taylor who'll never find happiness. Yes, sir.  Yes, which one would you go for? I wouldn't I I wouldn't change anything now. Is it a goddamn question? I'm being honest. I wouldn't change anything right now. Yeah, all right But the hypotheticals you have to pick one how tall are you six two?    This is get longer in the summer Johnny's get deeper.  It's what women go through every day. I don't think you should shame women for having Producer Omega says What's something that's the final one? What's something that you used to believe in but now no longer believe?  He didn't even say nothing you you're asking her the question Hold on you try to say are you trying to say that? I'm like you grow in the summer. Is that how you interpret it that I Interpreted how he ready what's something that you used to believe in but now no longer believe Taylor as if Taylor, what do you think?  Let's in on one more. Come on Taylor What's one Taylor put your Broadway son?  Come on. They look trying to get chose. No, she really trying to get chose up on this show You want to be part of a whore hive?   I'm him Jojo Oh Sorry, yeah, I'm him Jojo. How far do bald people go when they wash their face?  That's when I stop But you stop why not just do your whole thing like why not you soap on your whole head? I do for like my products.  It is is it really that's why they have Conditioners for your scalp. Oh, I thought that that was but they got they got conditioners for everything Your face skin is different than your body skin. That's why you use a face so they can sell you more production That's capitalism, baby. No, man Come on, bro. They sell us left socks right socks Because you're left-foot right foot is different. Oh my god We'll put your left on your right foot walk. I didn't say shoe He's selling left sock right so tomorrow and they try to go put the left sock on the right foot You'll see the difference.  You really believe that They're all it feels different feel the difference if you have why is the left foot different than the right foot? Which sneakers then?  See what happens when I tell you that I hate you See what I mean it though on an emotional level switch them right now I love you and have there's moments where I also switch them. I bet you won't switch them.    Why are you holding this hostage? What's more realistic? Charlotte breathing underwater or Schultz doing heart surgery. Charlotte breathing underwater is definitely unrealistic those things happen bro Both those things Shows performed heart surgery before I've breathed underwater.    Thank you for listening


Hello. So, I'm Daniel Vanader. I'm here to give the talk about Ghost. Many of you might have expected Slomy Noach here, but unfortunately he couldn't make it, so you're stuck with me. So, Slomy is the main order of Ghost, but I and some of my colleagues also worked on some of the Ghost source code together with Slomy and we discussed ideas about Ghost. I'm working for Booking.com. What we do is we sell hotel rooms, but we also run on many, many MySQL servers and we do many schema migrations like every day. So, maybe to start off with a question, who of you are using schema migrations other than just running alter table?  So, who of you are using Perconas online schema chains? Who of you are using another tool?  So, Ghost is the online schema migration tool from GitHub. And to start off, there are a few limitations about things which are currently not working. Of course, there might change in the future because there's ongoing work. For some of these things, there might even be patches, but it's not merged yet. So, foreign keys don't work currently. For us, it's not too much of an issue, but for other people it might. Triggers doesn't really work. It requires row-based replication for now, and it requires a full RBR image, which should not be too much of an issue for most people. Generated columns in 5.7 is not yet supported, same for like the similar feature in MariaDB. Multi-source replication is not supported. Well, it probably works somewhat, but it's not really tested. So, probably don't use Ghost with multi-source. If you use an active multi-master, then Ghost is not the tool you want to use. It might be possible to add that later. So, Ghost has much more code and is much more involved with what's going on than most of the other tools, like PT online schema chains. So, there is more room for error there, because it does a lot more than just monitoring stuff, basically. There's a GitHub paste, and there you can see all the issues which are and all the limitations, because things might change and have changed a bit already.  Well, then Percona made the online schema change tool, and there were a few other similar tools to do online schema changes, sometimes with like a multi-master and then switching replication. There were many tricks, and the Percona online schema change tool worked really well for most of the people for a long time. So, it is a tool which served everyone well, but there are also other options. Facebook also made a tool. I think it's written in PHP, which limits its user a bit. So, I don't really think many people are using that outside of Facebook, but they do it in a different way, which is interesting to see. Of course, these slides, they were originally made by Sloamy, so there might be some GitHub related stuff on there about internal operations at GitHub. I will skip over most of it. I might add some information about how we do schema migrations in booking and how we are using ghost in booking. So, this basically is a PT online schema change. You're creating a new table, you're altering the new table, and then to get all the data changes applied to your new table, you put three triggers in place, trigger for the insert, for the deletes, and for the updates. So, all the things happening on the original table will also happen on your new table. And then, of course, it also needs to copy rows from the old table to the new table, because not all rows might be touched while the online schema change is running, of course. This is what Facebook is doing with Facebook online schema change tool. So, all the insert, the delete, and the update are going to a change log table. So, it's like a three-step approach, because then later on all the changes are being applied on the new table, which does help a bit, but it also has its limitations. So, one of the things ghost does is that it's not using triggers anymore. There have been a few issues with using triggers for online schema changes. First one with sort procedures is, well, they're interpreted, not compiled. So, each trigger is running, and it adds a lot of overhead on the master just to execute the trigger. And, of course, there are a lot of issues with logs, because there are logs, of course, on the old table, on the new table. Also, at the eventual cut-over, there are some logs. And the more active your server gets, the higher the risk gets of actually these logs blocking your online schema change, and also blocking inserts and updates on the original table. Because with the triggers, anything which happens on the original table also has to happen on the new table. If anything is blocking the new table, then, of course, the insert cannot happen on the new table, which means that your application gets an error. The other issue is that it's not possible to suspend the triggers. So, you're running your online schema change. Suddenly, there's like a big peak in traffic. You just want to pause the online schema change for a bit. Well, that's not really possible. You can stop the copying of rows from the old table to the new table, but the triggers still have to be in place, and they still add overhead. So, that's a bit of an issue there. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone running multiple online schema changes with the PT online schema change tool in production and actually be happy with it. I also wouldn't recommend doing that. And there's the issue about testing. With the PT online schema change, it's not really easy to actually test if a code change in PT online schema change does the right thing, because, well, it has to put those triggers in place and remove them at the right moment.  So, it's difficult to actually test all the online schema change tooling. So, of course, Ghost does everything in a different way because Ghost basically acts as a replica of binary logs, which have to be in row-based format, then parses the information in the binary log and applies it to the master if it's running in production mode. And, of course, it also still has to copy rows from the old table to the new table. So, basically, this is how it looks like. There are inserts, deletes, and updates on the original table. Those go into the binary log. They're read by Ghost. Ghost writes them to the new table. But if anything goes wrong with reading from the binary log and inserting on the new table, the inserts on the original table will still go on. So, it's much more reliable in that way. Does everyone understand how this is working? Any questions? Feel free to stop me if you have any questions later on. So, of course, it's best to use a replica or a slave, however you want to call it. So, if you're reading from the replica, there is even less load on the master. And the only thing the master actually sees is normal inserts in a table, which is, well, normal operation. Nothing special going on the master. So, of course, we can read the binary logs from whatever thing is providing the binary logs. So, that really helps. And Ghost controls the whole data flow because Ghost is reading the data from the binary log and applying it. And with PT online schema chains, the trigger is doing the work. But here we have to actually read the data and write the data again. But also because we are actually touching all the data, we can do interesting things with it. And so, again, the writing to the master, reading from a replica from a binary log, and then eventually we switch the two tables. Also, there's an interesting method about how a cutover is done with Ghost. It's quite difficult to actually log two tables and rename them autonomically. But there is a trick Ghost is using, which actually ensures that when you're switching those two tables, they always exist. There's no gap in which no table exists in that place. So, all the writes which go on will still find a table and work normally. It's best to use a replica, but it's also possible to connect to a master. And the third option here is to test on a replica, which is a really unique feature for Ghost because that really allows you to run Ghost only on a slave, see what it does, see what the end result is, compare the old table, compare the new table, see if there are any changes. So, booking, the first Ghost version we tried, we actually were testing on a slave, and we always test on a slave before we run in production. So, we were testing on a slave, and we noticed that, well, some of the timestamp columns were like off by like one hour, sometimes two hours. Well, one hour or two hour, well, that's daylight saving time or not daylight saving time in Amsterdam. So, that was obviously a time zone issue because Ghost is used at GitHub, Ghost is used at booking, but of course the environment is different. We might use different time zones, we might use different schema layouts, different server versions. So, it's really good to do some testing because your environment might be different. And this really gave us the option to test, see what was happening on the data, work on the code, fix the bugs, the bug is fixed for quite some time already. And then when we were confident that the data was correct after running the migration, we could just run it in production. And we now often run Ghost in production at booking. And I know that at GitHub they're running multiple Ghost migrations a day. So, let me just, yeah, this is the testing. So, of course you could do some more testing because you can just automate and do like a really simple no migration and test every day if your data still looks the same before and after an online schema change. Because if you're adding a new column like a JSON column, well, you want to know if it still works and or that you need to work on the code. There's a Unix socket and Ghost allows you to connect on the Unix socket, ask about the status, change the trodding, change which slaves are being trodded on, and change more parameters. And usually when you're in Ghost, it will add like a delay of less than one second because it's using a heartbeat mechanism. So, it's not really adding any replication delay, which is really good. Also it's possible to delay the eventual cutover. So, you start your Ghost online schema change. Then when it's ready for a cutover, you make sure that you're in the office, that you had your coffee, and then you start a cutover, and then you can monitor it and do anything if something goes wrong. At booking, we never saw any issue with the cutover, but you might want to be in the office anyways because, well, a client might do something strange, or if you're adding an extra column, well, the client might suddenly start to do something differently. Of course, Ghost allows you to run a number of different hooks. So, at GitHub, they're using chat ops. So, it's possible to integrate Ghost with things like chat systems to give you a message when it's ready for cutover, for example. So, one of the last things I want to mention is that now the row copy is done with just an insert into a select from, but eventually there are ideas about decoupling that, and then you can actually read from a table and write to another table, and then there are other things you can do eventually, like a live table migration. So, you're reading from the binary logs, you're reading from the original rows from the server, you're writing into a completely unrelated server, which allows you to do a live migration of a table, which is pretty nifty. There are some other things Slomy's working on, and Slomy's colleagues, and we are also working on. One of those things is resurrection to actually restart an online schema change if it was stopped. And, of course, it's open source. And, of course, it's on GitHub, but that's, well, I guess you guessed it already. Some example. Well, I think that that's it. So, please have a look at ghost, give it a test, so it's really easy to just test it on a slave, see what it does, no production impact whatsoever, and if you're confident, then you can run it in production. Thank you. Any questions? I think that should be possible, not only for ghosts, but probably also for PT Online Schema Chains, because you, so the question is, like, after the cutover, it's really difficult to do a rollback. So both ghost and PT Online Schema Chains will just keep the old table around if you use the right options. Ghost does that by default. PT Online Schema needs an old option for it. But for ghost, it might be just possible to reverse the operation of inserting in the old table. So that would for sure be possible, I think with both of those tools. But someone has to do it. Yes. So all the details about how that's working are on the documentation on GitHub. So basically what happens is that there's a renamed table, and it blocks that by having a lock. And when it's done applying all the binary locks, then it will remove that phantom table and do some other tricks to actually make sure that it's atomic. So the first thing you have to do is do a lock tables, and then you have two tables under our lock. And then you want to do a rename table when once everything is right. But another thread is still applying. So there are like two threads which have to coordinate work. So that's, yes, so one of the, yes. So once you have the lock another, in another thread you're running the renamed tables. And the renamed tables will have a higher priority of already running inserts and the leads and updates. But all the information about how exactly that's working is on GitHub. So the question was, does it support GTID? Yes. We are running with GTID in a lot of places. I would have to think about in which places GTID really matters there. So probably the most important thing when running with GTID is that you want to have the GTID actually matching in the end. But you're inserting on the master. Well, every insert is just a regular insert because that's the things you're applying for the binary lock. And you're doing an insert into select star from, which will also just generate normal GTIDs. So I don't really think we have to do that much special things to allow GTIDs to work properly. Thank you.