Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in to the Art So Wonderful show. I have two incredible ladies with me, work with us on the Art So Wonderful team. First I want to say that I've come by our Art So Wonderful art gallery at the University Mall. We come around and see all the beautiful art that our director, our director, Alondra De La Questa, installed. It's so nice in there. 5,000 square feet. Then check out going to Fulcourt and check out the beautiful mural that we also installed working with Michael Mullins, an illustrator. And Art So Wonderful mural coalition. So right now I'm Bruce Wilson, executive director of Service Render Incorporated. And Art So Wonderful is a program of Service Render. So I want to introduce you to our guests, let them introduce themselves, go right ahead. Hi, my name is Alex Booth. I'm a studio art major and psychology major at the University of Vermont. And I'm also on the mural coalition team for Art So Wonderful. Caitlin Williams, I'm a senior in environmental studies with a double-winer in public communications and political science at the University of Vermont. I'm just here to talk about these and change the chamber. Awesome. So, wow, we got a lot going on, you know. And so we're going to start off with Alex, who is doing this incredible mural right here on Center Street in Burlington. And let's talk about it, Alex. Right, so I was commissioned by Charlie Handy, who is the owner of Handy's Toeing and a lot of other buildings including Simon's Deli. So this mural is on the back of Simon's Deli on Center Street. And it shows Charlie Handy's parents, Simon, and I think it's her name. Anyways, it's featuring them on the wall in black and white, and they are community members. So I showed them really big in black and white, and then I have two Lebanese cedar trees because they're immigrants from Lebanon. And they're standing on them, and then I'm also going to add a large eagle on the top. And yeah, that's basically it. I'm still in the progress of it. I'm sure there's going to be a picture show on there. But yeah, it's almost done, so I'm pretty excited about it. Well, we got a little Rage music in our video so that we like that. I always thought we should open our show up with some music. I think we should commission her to do it. Yeah, to do that for us. Anyway, so the mural that Alex is doing, Handy, and Charlie, and Joe, and Joni, and Anthony Handy, has been on our advisory board for probably 15 years, and they work with our programs, projects, and events, and help us as well. And the mural Alex is putting up there is dedicated to their parents who created all the Handy where they started them all. And the man that Alex is talking about is named Simon. So you see all the Simon stores everywhere around the state, and I think in New Hampshire, and all the places. That's who is dedicated to Simon, the father. And what an incredible mural that Alex is putting up there. And she, you know, 8 out of 10, you did it all by yourself. You did a little help here, two weeks from our Arts and Wonders for Mural Coalition, and Brown High School students are part of our team, and others. You know what I mean? I probably was, all that white you see, I did that. That was all me. It was a lot of work, I tell you. I had to prime that wall. It scraped it too. Oh, it's right. There was like plastic all over the wall. Oh man, it was tons of plaster or, you know, scraped beans from old paint that we've done, because that wall is our arts. We were the first ones to put murals on that wall in 2001. And so, but it's been changed out since then through all the mural designs, but we had, you know, God be right. God be right there. I knew it was hard for some reason. The easy part was painting it. So we want you to go down Center Street and check out that mural that Alex is doing and take a selfie in front of it. And if you take a selfie in front of it and sit into our art director contact at artsowonderful.com to Alondra, we will try to send you something. We'll, you know, we'll put you in a raffle to win something to cool stuff. So take a selfie in front of Alex Murrow and Center Street Burlington, send it to atartsowonderful.com, attention to Alondra or Alley. And we will put you in a raffle to win something. And so thanks. And I also noticed too that we have another cool mural right in the same block down the street. We're on the same wall pretty much with different types. What I'm trying to say. Yeah. Are you talking about Jamie? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. So she's doing, following along with the botanical theme. She's doing some like abstract looking flowers. I believe it's in someone's hair, right? Yeah. And it's all about like kind of accepting your own beauty and everything. She explained it to me a little bit. It's in the progress, but it's looking really great so far. And it's really cool because it like wraps around the corner of the building and continues on to the back. So yeah, I'm excited for that one too. And Charlie's going to do one in the middle of me and Jamie's mural. I saw his plans. I don't think did he start yet? I haven't been over there, but I don't think he started yet. Yeah. But it's, remember what it's going to be? Yeah. It's like, so he was going to continue with my Lebanese cedars on the left and right. And then in the middle, it was going to be some like planetary type of visuals. So I think that'll look cool all together, you know, like all the nature scenes. And then with Charlie and Simon's parents and everything. Yeah, because it started with trees, right? It started right off the trees. Yeah. So that's going to be cool. Yeah. Cool natural scene. Yeah. So awesome. Because I, as we get to, and also too, take a selfie in front of those murals too. And in any mural you see that says Art So Wonderful, and take a selfie in front of it. Send it to at artsowonderful.com. Tension Alley, or Alondra De La Cuersta, our director. And we'll put you in a rifle to win something cool, you know, for some gift card or something. So now as I see the bees flying around us. You see those bees flying around? They're here with us. It's probably because of Kaylin Williams, an incredible lady for me. She introduced herself, and she's going to be working on this bee project. And wow, she's about to tell us about it. And we just came way to work with her. We're volunteers and do everything she tells to do. She's working with one of our experts, James Keyes.  So he's an incredible man. And we'll have him on the show one day with Kaylin. He's going to host the show and have Bubba on. Go ahead on, Kaylin. Tell us about your project. All right. So I am doing a pollinator garden for my final capstone for UVM. If you don't know, Burlington and UVM are designated bee friendly sites. So Burlington has a bee friendly city designation and UVM has a bee campus friendly designation. That being said, there aren't that many pollinator gardens that are actually around those areas. Some exist, but they're very disconnected. So my goal was to kind of try to connect all these spaces so that we would have more pollinators coming. Because pollinators being around are good for our own mental health, generally, and our own physical health as well. And also we need to preserve the biodiversity of our native bee species. We have over 300 bees in Vermont that are native to Vermont. But we don't really talk about them or hear about them that much. So the project is really trying to introduce these bees to the larger Vermont populace so that they're aware that they exist and that they are also around. So while we try to save honey bees, we also need to preserve these bees as well. So yeah, just a lot of interesting fun stuff, learning a lot. Whatever you can do to help pollinators, you absolutely should. Gardening is such a relaxing and rewarding experience. It's something that many people can do. I would argue pretty much all people could garden if they wanted to. And if you can do that, you can make it pollinator friendly so that you can attract all those beautiful butterflies to your backyard and get to enjoy them while they're here and giving you all these great ecological services. So yeah, you said that the bees attract butterflies. What else do they attract? I mean, what's good about a bee? What's good about a bee? Well, you could argue there's a lot of bad things about bees, mostly the stinger. But I mean, the good things really lie in what they provide for us.  You don't have vegetation in general without bees. I mean, others as well, we also forget about beetles. They're a major pollinator. They're not super effective because they just kind of walk up and then have to walk back down and then go find another one that walk back up and walk back rather than fly. But also hummingbirds, we have the red-throated hummingbird here in Vermont. I mean, they're beautiful and they interesting facts. So no insects can see the color red or at least bees can't. So they don't pollinate red flowers or red plants because they can't discern that color. So pretty much all red flowers are pollinated by hummingbirds in this state because they're like pretty much the only ones that go to red flowers. So, yeah, I don't know, a lot of interesting facts. Wow, it's so funny because I just grew up in Chicago. I used to see hummingbirds all the time, you know what I mean? I really haven't seen any in Vermont all the years I've been here. Yeah, the other day it was so funny. So I was sitting outside just in someone's backyard and there was this hummingbird that just like, I don't know, I think my shorts were red. So I feel like that's why this hummingbird was really interested in me. But like this hummingbird just like was in my space the entire time. And I mean, like flying up and like looking like directly at me. I feel like that never happens or like so afraid.  But that thing like was flying around me. I bet checking out my shorts. I'm not sure that he or she, they loved them. So they were like, how do you get those shorts? That's so cool. But yeah, that was, I hadn't seen many hummingbirds myself until that moment. So I was like, they do exist. I got away with my resin, yeah. Yeah. Being from Florida, we have a lot of different hummingbirds. So it's just like, I mean, it's such a treat to like just see them. I mean, as creatures, they're wonderful and they're so cool because they just do everything that like they technically shouldn't be able to do, which is like flying, for instance, and like flying backwards and all that fun stuff. So. Hovering. Hovering. Yeah. That's what that one was doing over me. Yeah. That's amazing to see this. Hovering. Hovering. Because it's like the wings are like bug wings. They're not like birds, like wings. Yeah. They're so fast. Yeah. Oh man, you can't see that. You can't see them going. Yeah. Yeah. It's so loud too when they fly. Like when they start flapping, like it's like, it's just like this weird buzzing noise and you're just like, what is that? And then it's the hummingbird.  Think of that long beak. Yeah.  Yeah, it's a beak. I know nothing. So what is, I mean, so I wonder why it's so long. Let's just get into the flowers. Yeah. That's, they get the nectar. So, so what do you get the honey around on UVM? What are you going to do with it? What are you going to do? I don't know. I mean, there's a couple of different options. I think the best option is that on UVM, there is a lot of food insecurity, especially with staff at UVM. And if you can like provide them with a sweet, nutritious treat, then you absolutely should. I spent in any college students as well who are like in need of. Yeah. So I can't wait to get started with that, man. So. We can meet with the important people. Yeah. On the 21st, I'm going to have a complete design of the back of a bittersweet is where the first garden is going to be installed, bittersweet building at UVM. So yeah, pretty much to 21st, there will be like an actual plan in the fall. It's going to be laying down compost, just leveling the area, making sure it's restored enough to start planting some things. And then probably within the coming spring, that's when most of the stuff will be planted. It's getting a little late in the season to start planting a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Unless it's perennials. They have, don't they have like a planetarium? Oh, I'm not planning to. Some type of garden is at UVM. Yeah. In the order. You plant something inside over there. Yeah. They have a greenhouse. We're not sure. I think you have to be, you can intern there. I'm pretty sure it worked there. Yeah. I'm not a hundred percent sure how, like who runs it, like who's the governing body of that whole thing. Yeah. But I've not worked or interned there. No, I understand. Maybe somebody, yeah, we can put some, get some seedlings going there. Oh, absolutely. So when the spring comes, we can already have them ready to go. Suddenly. You know, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. And so we're going to let the best flowers, and the bubble will sell us a lot of things, a lot of flowers. You know, we know this stuff. Yeah. So what's the best flowers, or what type of flowers are going to be growing, or plants are going to be growing for your bee? The bees, yeah. So I don't have a complete list yet, but something that Bubba had said, like the goldenrod right there is something that bees generally really like, especially bumblebees, I believe, or like one of the main pollinators of goldenrod. Because the focus is biodiversity, there will be like a long range of plants because we want to be able to attract some of those specialists as well that only go to very like specific kind of plants and won't like go to goldenrod, for instance. But like, we have a trout lily bee, which only pollinates trout lilies. I'm not saying we would grow trout lily lilies, because I'm pretty sure they have to be in like, Water. Yeah, like a bomb kind of situation, which is not the, that is not what's happening over there. But like just for instance, like planting those kinds of flowers so that we can get some specialists in the area as well. Mostly perennials, but some fun specialists to bees, you just have to stay tuned and see if they're defeated. So let's talk about a little bit about the type of help you're going to need for this project, you know, because we got some work to do, right, for us to build it. Yeah, so I mean the main part would be like the manual labor of installing a garden, which is like leveling, putting out the compost, building any flower boxes for like stairwells and stuff, because you want to make sure that like there's points of access that like every formula you can get. Also, building, I'm blanking on the name, but what is the... You come up for the... For the... For the... Well, yeah, that would be one. What was it? So like when you have it in the ground and there's a box around it. Yeah, sure. That's... I'm blanking on the name, but that's called very professional. But it's... I don't know. Yeah, but it's essentially just building that stuff, planting the flowers, there might be more trees that we have to plant because where it's located there's a road that is very busy and one thing is that pollinators tend to not like tons of noise because it can really... It's just messes with things. I mean, in general, like animals don't like tons of noise. So it's about planting trees as well to kind of drown out the noise from the street into the garden. So it's... I mean, it's just gardening in general. It's like the main... You like rubble some of white gravel or something underneath and start it up, right? That's cool. I just can't wait to get it going. Yeah. And so basically it's going to be... I mean, it also animates, right? The building animates, right? Yeah. So I would assume that... So because it's at UVM there will be college students involved as well which is a great connecting opportunity for people who are going into college thinking about going to UVM because you don't only just make those connections with other college students who are going to go off and make their own connections but also with professors as well which is always an incredibly valuable resource to have. Yeah. In our program, United College Club will certainly help come to help come sustain that. Yeah. That's a great idea and you're the first probably, right? Yeah, I don't think... Have anybody else done this type of project before? No, there's a beekeeping club at UVM so they keep bees and they have some pollinator space. I don't... I'm not in the beekeeping club so I don't know the full extent of what they have but just being a UVM student living on campus witnessing like what the campus looks like there aren't that many spaces there available. So if we can add more spaces to encourage the beekeeping club to keep, you know, keeping those bees and also invite other bees to come in and invite some of Bubba Bee's bees to come in. Yeah, he's got the best bees. The best bees. I know. Yeah. So, thank you for that question. We'll talk a little bit more to you in a minute about your other projects you work on. Alex, so, what's next, Alex? You know, we still... Well... You and I, what's next for your projects? What do you want to do? I don't know.  Yeah. But if you have any other roles I'd love to do. Of course we do. The University of Monroe told you that. Oh, right, yeah, yeah. And also, you know, I've seen your work. You've seen me some work you did, finished that needs to be hung in an art gallery. Yeah, yeah. I've been doing a lot of my own paintings. Recently I've been getting a lot into that. So I usually do my own oil paintings, which I want to definitely expand. Yeah, and put stuff in galleries. I know I'm on track to put some stuff in galleries as well. Oh, wow. Yeah. But I definitely want to do more murals. Yeah. You like that one? I do, yeah. That's your first mural? Yeah, I know, yeah. It's so crazy to work on something that big. I've never done a portrait that size before. And it was really hard to figure out the proportions of everything. So that took me a little, like, planning.   Oh, yeah. Me! All right, you got the job. Yeah, I was really happy. I know. I know. And I was like, you show me some stuff. I'm like, wow. And we can draw anything. Yeah, I... We can draw anything. Yeah, I like painting a lot. So would you just send me something like a painting? Is that a... What is that? Is that an old painting? Is that an old painting? No, I... As far as I actually know, is it more painting or... Oh, yeah. That was oil. But it was over... I got some, like, plastic-y gel type thing. And I put that over a painting I did and then I carved it. So I carved, like, little cubes and, like, prism shapes. And then I painted oil over the, like, acrylic gel. These little faces from this website called This Person Does Not Exist. And it's a... AI-generated face, so the person doesn't exist. It's, like, an amalgamation of three different faces. And sometimes the algorithm messes up because there's, like, two people in one picture. So in the side, there's, like, some little, like, creepy people coming out this side. So I painted that on the borders and then it's a little grid. It's on my Instagram, if you want to check it out. It's Alex Boff. Yeah. Yeah, but more paintings to come in that vein. I really like what I was doing with that. I found some other AI websites that I want to make more art out of. So, yeah. So, now, what... It's not okay. That's not on campus, right? Yeah, it's on campus. It's on, yeah, stretch campus. Okay, all right. Ooh, man. Yeah. I was like... I was like, do I know that person? You say somebody you don't know. You know what I mean? I'm thinking, like, I know that person somewhere. No, it's so crazy to go through the website, too, because you can just, like, keep refreshing and then you get new faces. And sometimes they look like people you know and it's so creepy because they're so... You don't know? Yeah. Yeah, maybe, like, the person you know is mixed in there. Yeah, some way, right? Yeah. So, that's cool. So, you got... How many works you got on campus? Uh, I don't know. Some... I did a lot.  I got just a spot for you at the art gallery and everything. Cool. It's called the Alex spot. Just for real, for real. All right, cool. Nice one, too. Yeah, I gotta crank more out. Definitely. How many pieces do you have? Uh, I only have two of them here that are done. But I'm working on this one right now. I'm gonna work on it later. Later today. I'll show you. I think we'll probably meet at the mall on Sunday. I'm not afraid, but everybody didn't like... Oh, on Sunday? No, I think it's Monday. Is it Monday? Oh, Monday at 14.  I think it's 1.30 at University Mall. Okay. At our gallery because... I might have class. Well, you gotta let us know. Yeah, I'll text you. Yeah, you too. Okay, let me see. Yeah. But, um, so we got walls. We got, um... We got more walls to go over. And we have, um, we have, um... All right, gallery space for your art. I can't wait to see your art. Then you sell it. Yeah. Guess what? Yeah. I'm gonna get you 100%. Wherever you sell. Cool. Nobody in that hour got to get 100%, but you are. Okay.  Because you have incredible art too. Art on objects and all kinds of cool things. Let's talk about that for a minute. Um, I thrift a lot. I really believe in reusing objects, reworking stuff, um, because we want to keep as much stuff out of landfills as we possibly can. Um, and a lot of ways to do that for me is to make it just paint on it. Like, I will go and just get watering cans that people have decided they don't want it anymore and just paint on them. I like to paint on lampshades too, because there's a lot that, like, come in and they're just kind of like... It's kind of boring. So, like, you know, you can paint on it and make it more interesting. Yeah. Does that make the light change a little way? Um, sort of, not really. It depends on how much paint is on there and what, like, the color of the lamp is. Um, to be honest, like, I have, maybe I'll send a picture and one will be up there of, like, a lampshade that I have that has the Spanish ibex on it. I really only like painting animals. I don't like anything else. So, um, I don't know. When I turn it on, it looks like demonic. It looks crazy. Whoa, that's cool. So I'm just kind of like, oh, okay. So, like, maybe they're best for, like, just looking at. But you can also turn the light on. Just don't look at the lampshade for too long. Yeah. And then you're like, this looks weird. They're like creepy shadow animals. Yeah. But that's kind of, I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's your thing. Maybe that's what you want. That's definitely for somebody. Um, so, yeah, I like painting on spoons too. Whoa. Yeah. My family is from Wales. My dad is Welsh. And there's a Welsh tradition of carving spoons. Mostly from, like, a man who would want to propose to a girl. He would carve her a spoon. Oh, wow. And they're very intricate and very cool. You should definitely look it up. Um, but I can't carve. And that would, if I tried to do that, that would be a disaster. I'm very clumsy. So, I would lose a finger. So, at least one. So I was like, I'll just paint on it instead. If you want to see me. Yeah. So I can kind of be in touch with that cultural root, but do it in a way that makes sense to me. And also, whoa. That's awesome. We're looking for it. Now, I've seen you. I've seen you. You showed me. You sent me stuff. So, um, you want to let people know if they want to look at your art. You got an Instagram account or something like that. Yes. Look at it. Um, so my Instagram is at Caitlin the Greatland with a couple of underscores. There will probably be a link up there. So, yeah, check it out. Check it out. If you want to spin, let me know. So, yeah. It's going to be something in an art gallery. Yeah. Oh, spoon. No, that's going to be cool, right? Yeah. Objects, no painting on objects is so good. It's so incredible. Yeah. I love seeing them. She showed me that. Like, I've seen all of her different art, you know, like the green water thing, you know. That was awesome. See, the color was incredible too. What color was that? What color? Only I'm watering. You know, I'm spouting. Watering, yeah. So it was like the lime green, very, very green. And I painted, like, some fishes in it. I may be a picture of a lot of my art. So it's easier to show than to try to talk about. Sure, yeah. But, yeah, definitely a lot of colors. I like things with a lot of colors in them too. Yeah. But, yeah. Well, I leave Mural and some Jamie Bedard. She loves colors. Those colors are amazing. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, I'm sitting in the street, Mural. Yeah, really great vibrant colors. Really great vibrant colors. Yeah, vibrant colors. I mean, like, look at red. We know that's not red. What color, you know, she got some, you know, some other fancy red color. Green or blue. You see, I'm out in the hills. Like, she goes around the corner, like she did in Mural. Yeah. Like, you know, Tharum was out in the hills around the corner. Yeah. So, all right, everybody. We're not done yet, because we want you to talk about what we want to announce that today is September 11th. This is a historical day.  So, I just want to wish all the people who survived it well and I want to say to the people who didn't survive in 9-11, rest in peace. And, you know, this is something we always remember. It's an important day for our history. Sad day, sad, sad day. Do anybody remember what they were doing on that day? That was one. I was 2,000 years old. Yeah, it was like two or three. Well, for me, I was one of the directors of the Community Justice in the Burlington. I was coming in to work and one of my staff people was saying, Bruce, they just knocked down one of the Twin Towers. I was like, terrorism, they just ran their plane. I said, come on, woman. You know what I mean? I was just looking at it on TV and I seen it. Boom. And then just as she said that, they said, oh no, the Bruce people said, oh no, they just flew into another one. And so, sure enough, you know, I'm still stunned. I still feel that way. That was the day when I first met him. And so, wow. What a deal, man. It's so amazing. So, I think now it's 9-11. And people, thank God, people survived it. And then for the people who didn't, I rest in peace. And we're witchy. You know, we're all Americans. And the terrorism, we won't stand for it. You know, we're gonna try to get rid of it somehow. So, all right. So, back to the show. Kamen. So, you got some things going on with like a Chamber of Commerce, or the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or some of the symbols that talk about that. So, there is a lobbying body in Washington, D.C. called the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. They are not to be confused with the actual Chamber of Commerce in Congress. They are a separate entity that claim to support and represent the interest of corporate businesses and like the American people. However, those same corporate bodies have gone to say that this group does not represent their interest. They mostly peddle big oil, big pharma, big farming in general. They're definitely not for the little guy, and they really try their best to make sure that the little guy, so like us, don't get nearly like enough success in trying to push different policies, like climate policy in particular, something that they're really against, which is why I am particularly interested in this and why most people are interested. So, it is a group mostly comprised of college students. We do a lot of our work on social media because that is one of the best organizing tools that we've ever created as a species. And I mean, we're all on it all the time anyway. So, if you're going to be on it, you can really do some big change and educate yourself, learn more about these different groups, and really just be a part of something that is bigger than yourself. And I mean, it may not feel like you're doing that much, but you do a lot when you go on there and you engage with these different platforms. So, the Twitter is Change US Chamber, which will be somewhere here, as well as the Instagram and the Facebook. You can get involved just by engaging with social media and our social media in particular. We do a lot of calls with different corporate groups like Coca-Cola for instance. So, you could also potentially be a part of that, just see what it's like communicating with these corporate businesses I mean, they are extremely important and foundational to the society that we've built at this point. So, they are definitely an entity that you want to familiarize yourself with and learn how to communicate with, because it's important. So, yeah, I mean, it's just like the group is amazing. They work so hard, they do so much, and they really need your support and helping them spread their message of what is happening behind closed doors. And so, you think, and I feel, too, that you're saying that you'd like to see more high school kids get involved in these projects. So, yeah, we're going to have it all up on the screen for them to see and listen to how they can get involved. But, yeah, this is their world, in the middle school, high school, it was your guys, kind of still is your world, you know, college students.  They really got to hear their ideas and their suggestions and get them involved. And some of them don't even know nothing about this stuff, but that's the smart thing about it.  They don't know, they're smart, they're real smart, but some things they don't know about, and also what they don't know is that they can get involved in these things. And we want them to. It's important that they do. I mean, man. So, you know, also we work with Veronica. I want to talk a little bit about that. We're on the climate group. The group, she's put the high school students about, I know, she want to do something with climate, you know, talk about educational environment and talk about environmental stuff, how can we make the world better, how can we do it? And this kid, Veronica, is only 14. She's a freshman. She got this team, it was out there doing the murals. And they got this, she got this team, they're all freshmen, they're brothers in high school. How wonderful was that? She was saying, I was telling Kaylee, and maybe you too, that she was using environmental words. She was like, what can you explain that to me? Like, I was thinking, please explain that to me. What's that mean, you know? Wow, so I'm so happy that we're working with them. Both of us have been working with her and our group. I forget the name of her, I forget the name of the group, the climate change for youth or something like that. But they'll be hearing a lot about it because we're going to put her right up on the central level. We're going to come down to work with these young kids. I'm proud of her, you know, for just coming to us because she learned about us and people hear about us and they're like, yeah, email me or how can I get involved? Just say it, you're involved. Yeah, that's what I did. I am. How did you get involved? You just did it. I am. I just saw the Instagram page. That's good because that's important because we want everybody involved too because I just want to say that our so wonderful is a program of Service Rendered Incorporated and Service Rendered Incorporated have all these programs underneath it and we have over 50 awards and we pride ourselves on education. We're education around drugs, knock-off tobacco and we do all this. We have a music program, an art program. Now we've got an environmental program and we do murals everywhere. We have 60% of the murals everywhere and our whole thing is about how can we get people involved. We want all of you involved too. We have an incredible network of individuals who we work with. Even if you don't do what we're doing that even if you don't do what we're doing in our programs we know somebody who's doing it so don't hesitate to contact us. That's how we are famous. That's how we are famous on the things we do and have over 50 awards. Bruce Wilson don't have 50 awards because the people who I serve have 50 awards. People like Katelyn and Alex who helps us with these awards give these awards. We know the best we know the people who do all the work if you want to be a ballerina we know that person if you want to be a congressman we know Bernie. Yeah, you read Bernie's letter right there. Bernie sent us a letter on our grand opening for August 21st and Alex read the letter she read the letter from Bernie so we know Bernie we know Lane we know governor, mayors businessman they're all our friends they support our programs we're very happy we weren't able to do none of this stuff without them having two art galleries and tons of programs and community events and free events everywhere and so we weren't able to do it without people like you and our constituent peers around the state of Vermont so contact us you can contact us you can contact me Bruce Wilson 817 at TML.com how simple is that and I'll get back with you in a second so I don't know what time we got how much time we got about 40 minutes okay that was a hurting thought how much time we got hurting thoughts should we choose them go right here go ahead Alex you are go ahead with your party talks what? I don't know it was great to talk with you guys it's a beautiful day in the park battery park yeah yeah cool opportunity thanks for coming with us cool thank you because like I just said none of this could be done without you I serve you you don't serve me some people think that you should serve them but not me everything I do is I serve everybody I work for so thank you that's what's so wonderful we're so wonderful at art so wonderful go ahead Kelly give us some parting words yeah I think this is a really good example of so I just walked into Bruce's gallery with like zero expectations of anything so we are presented with so many different opportunities in our lives you just need to turn the knob and open that door yeah so just don't be afraid if you feel like you want to make these connections like I mean they're all around you all the time you just need to open your eyes and kind of see that these opportunities are here for you yeah so just I don't know if you feel like you can't do something that's crazy just do it and you're going to have crazy results that you probably couldn't even imagine that you have so those are my parting words cool well said well said well just want to thank my wonderful guests Alex both and Katelyn Williams for being on our show yeah and you can be hosting your own day because somebody's going to do a radio show I mean I forget both of y'all are somebody the radio station the radio show we're going to be doing oh yeah oh yeah it's going to be Alex both and Katelyn Bumbo B show with Bruce so we look for our radio show covering up too and we're going to be doing more of these cable shows like the one hopefully you too will do your set one and like you definitely need to do one for a beat project and you definitely need to do one for the real project and we'll set it up just let me know when you're ready to do it so thank you everyone for tuning in to the arts so wonderful show I'm Bruce Wilson have a good evening


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We are here to run 26 miles for 26 lives. We are part of Team Newtown Strong, which is a charitable foundation that is raising scholarship money for the siblings of children who are lost on December 14th. But our real role as runners is to be Newtown Strong and to run those 26 miles and to think about those children and those families every single mile. And we hit Heartbreak Hill. We know it's nothing like the pain and the suffering that our parents are feeling back home. And it's just running, but we want our steps to count and we want our parents and our families to know that we are here and that we're not quitting and we know they can never quit. But they're in our hearts always. And when we hit Boylston Street and we run that final 385 yards towards the finish, we're going to sprint like we ran that day to get to our children. And we're going to fly like those little kids flew to get out of that horror and to get to the firehouse. And we're just going to let it all out and run for the freedom and for that full on love of life that those kids had.


You've probably heard more about microbiology, virology, immunology, disease, death than we have in our collective experiences, if you're not a microbiologist, that is. But a lot of that information is of a questionable nature. So pay attention, watch the hand. You have now been transported to the year 1494. You are living in Seville, Spain. This is just after Columbus has returned from the New World. A friend of yours will make up some fictitious name, I don't know, Graham Con Marty will say, okay. He's just returned with Christopher Columbus and he's got something that he wants to show you because it's incredible.  What is it? You've never seen it before because this is a new world thing. Is there more of it? Oh yeah, there's plenty more of it. Well, what do you do with it? Well, it's food, but you've never had it. So does it taste like watermelon or shrimp?  Do you cook it? Well, you cook it. But how does it grow?  You don't know. So Graham Con Marty pulls out and he says, this is corn. And millions of people in the New World have entire civilizations based upon this and this is a marvelous thing. This isn't corn. This is science. We collect nuggets of information little bit at a time and we assemble them into a comprehensive package where we understand finally and we build a model. And what's happened in the last few months and years is that quality of that model has deteriorated for a number of reasons. Now I'm a classically trained microbial physiologist. And when we're trained to identify something, we use something that's called the 90 percent rule. And we'll take an example of E. coli.  But if you get one of these, you have a 90 percent confidence that that is E. coli. That also means there's a 10 percent chance it's not E. coli. This is biology. That is a good level of certainty. Now this 90 percent drives chemists and physicists and especially engineers, bonkers because you can't calculate it to the fourth decimal place on a long rhythmic chart. But apply this to your life. If you could predict the lottery number, the winning team in the Super Bowl or the score with a 90 percent certainty or even the weather in 14 days, wouldn't that be damn good? Welcome to biology. We use a 90 percent rule where we possibly can. And so when we build a model with good data, we get this. A model that reflects the real world. And when we use junk data, we build a model of corn on the cob and it looks like that. Now how does something like that happen? Well let's take an example. We take 100 people, some of them know each other and some of them don't know each other. And we use, for those that don't know each other, we give them something with a 100 percent data reliability.  How do you scramble that?  And we just described social media. So for those of you that participated last night in my impromptu game, thank you.  But now you see how disinformation, miscommunication, poor communication affects your ability to understand science. So what are we talking about when we're talking about germs? Well most people talk about some really good terms like death, disease, decay, odor. So what you're missing is pepperoni. It's made by the bacteria called pediococcus, pickles, lactobacillus that create vitamin Bs in our intestinal tract like Flux was talking about earlier, bread. The original oxygen in the atmosphere that protoclera breathed came from bacteria. And there's something about that stuff, I'm not sure what it is. So let's talk about germ control. There are two methods that we want to talk about specifically.   Like COVID-19 today. We have selected for the hardier varieties because we didn't nuke them hard enough. Or you use another technique and you think like a germ. Where do they live? What do they eat? How do they reproduce? You understand the physiology of them, and in doing so you give me a long career. And you manipulate them. And with this approach, you don't have to win every play. You don't have to win every game, but every few years you win the Super Bowl. Yes, James, we don't have to win all seven, but you do win the Super Bowl because you have manipulated the environment using science. All right, now we are culturally, emotionally a diverse species, but when you graph our diversity compared to the biosphere, we don't even show up on the chart. We are one homogeneous physiological species compared to fungi, to plants, to bacteria, to even to other mammals. What does that diversity of physiology give us for control mechanisms? This is how we need to be thinking about microbial control for a variety of reasons. Okay, now we are going to play a game. I'm going to list some things and we are going to shout out an answer. And the first question that we are going to say and we are going to list all of these potentials and you are going to vote on what you can kill. The only wrong answer is not answering. There are no negative points. There might be positive points, but that will be at the reception tonight. All right, can you kill E. coli? Can you kill a chunk of granite? Can you kill SARS-CoV-2?  Can you kill E. coli? Yes, no, yell and answer. Most of you got that one right. Yes, very easily. Can you kill a chunk of granite? It's not alive.  Okay, first trick question. Can you kill SARS-CoV-2? Yes, no. I hear mixed answers. The answers, no. Viruses are not alive.   Perfect example of the vagaries of terminology. You are not killing it physiologically.  And in biology, we are an exclusive field that keep people out by changing terminologies and words that others don't understand. In reality, if you talk to psychologists that's probably what we really do. It's a vocabulary field. Okay, what do you need to be alive? Now you are not just a human being at this point. You are a representative of all living things on the earth at least. All right, so vote as a representative of the entire living earth. What do you need to be alive? Water, pizza, energy, oxygen, ability to reproduce, integrity. Do you need water? Yes, no. At least on earth, yes. Do you need pizza? I would go with that mixed answer. Not essential, but it sure does help, doesn't it? Do you need energy? Yes, especially with kids and customers. Do you need oxygen as a representative of all living things on the planet? Yes or no? Oh, I got somebody. No. We'll get to this in a minute. Do you need the ability to reproduce as part of the definition of life? Oh, mixed answers. Yes, part of the definition of life is the ability to reproduce your own species. Do you need integrity? Depends on how you define it at the cellular level, yes, but not at the philosophical level. I'm a physiologist. I'm teaching physiology here, not philosophy. OK, quiz number three. What properties can we use now that we're beginning to understand the life process? How can we manipulate the environment to maintain a healthy environment, not only in our float tanks, but in our homes, in our cars, with our families, with the earth in general? What can we use to manipulate and control the germs? Water, energy, oxygen, ability to reproduce, integrity. Can we use water? Yes, no. Yes. This is a picture of a Market Forge autoclave. I've used these in microbiology since 1978. It costs about $20,000, $25,000 a new. It heats water to 121 degrees C. That is well past the point of boiling. It creates steam, and it takes 15 minutes to autoclave something as simple as that ring on my finger. If you're using these little wand type things that put out a little bit of steam, think back 20 years. What were we using those same things for to get the wrinkles out of our shirts and our drapes? You're wasting your time. You're not using water properly. You haven't identified the properties of water you need to use. Can you use energy to kill bacteria? Yes or no? Universal answer is yes. This is a standalone UV light. We use them all the time in microbiology. But it produces light at 254 nanometers. It has a certain intensity, and it has to be so far away from the surface, and it has to have so many minutes of exposure.  Thank you. You just supported a bogus sales operation.  Can you use oxygen? This is a picture of an empty oxygen bank in Indian Hospital about three weeks ago where people were dying because they didn't have oxygen, because they had COVID-19. They ran out of oxygen. So depending on the species, you can use oxygen, except that every bacteria I have ever studied grows readily in the absence of oxygen, if you know the trick. And by the way, all of the bacteria that we consider potential pathogens in float tanks grow readily without oxygen. Besides, there's that little factor that if you eliminate the oxygen in the float room, you might have a problem with your customer a little later. All right, ability to reproduce. Can you use the ability to reproduce to control microbes? Absolutely. You stop reproduction, and the species disappears. That's called extinction. How about integrity? Can you use cellular integrity? Absolutely. All right, if you went to an American school, you darn well know that George Washington did not lie. He did not cut down the cherry tree. That's because he was using those disinfecting wipes that dissolved the bacteria in his float tank at Monticello. It was an early model, by the way. So we can use cellular integrity. OK, which of these cannot be used for food?  Hydrogen sulfide gas, sunlight, glucose, gasoline, ethanol, as a sole energy source, not as an additional before or after dinner, as a sole energy source. So can you use hydrogen sulfide gas? The answer is yes. This is a picture of a subsurface oceanic volcanic vent where bacteria use hydrogen sulfide gas to create a biomass, which is eaten by clams, which is eaten by starfish, which is eaten by fish, an entire ecology based upon a gas that would kill everybody in this room at a level that you would not normally be able to detect. You can, in the right environment, use deadly compounds. Can you use sunlight? This is photosynthetic bacteria that live in the surface or in the mud of a pond. This is called the Winogrodzky column. And the different colors are the different kinds of bacteria. This is probably where the original oxygen came from in the earth. Can you use glucose as a food source? Of course you can. And what you really do is you grow up this plant called agave for about 20 years. And you crush it. And this bacteria called zymomonas makes this stuff called pulque. And you distill it. And you make tequila. Can you use gasoline? Can bacteria or fungi use gasoline? I've got to know. What have we got? What have we got? Come on. Go, go, go, yell out an answer. No. OK, no.  But growing in the wings were bacteria living on the gas-water interface. And the tanks felt full. They ran out of gas. Planes crashed. They can, under the right circumstance, use gasoline. And how about ethanol as a fuel, as a in-soul energy source? Yep. This is a picture of apple cider vinegar. You ferment the apple. You make alcohol. And this bacteria called acetylbacter xylenum makes mother of vinegar. And that is where the best flavors come from in apple cider vinegar. So now we're seeing that a whole variety of food sources, a whole different hundreds of thousands of different microbes live on totally diverse energy sources and food sources. So what does that mean? What that means is you're thinking of cleaning separately. And cleaning is actually part of your sanitation program. By limiting the amount of organics present, you limit the amount of growth that will occur. And an additional impact, by limiting that amount of organic, it makes the disinfectants, in general, work much better. So it is a vital component of your program. OK, so then you get into disinfecting. And there's all sorts of varieties. There's light duties. There's heavy duties. There's ready-to-use. There's dilutables. And guess what? There's something on that back of that package called directions for use that costs the company hundreds of thousands of dollars to do high-quality studies. And that's what my career has been, is developing that data. And it is independently reviewed by the US EPA in this country. You can't get a label without proving that it works. And if you're not reading it, you are wasting your time, wasting your money, getting a false sense of security, and exposing yourself and your clients to dangers unnecessarily. OK, now we're thinking only as humans. And you think that, well, this SARS-CoV-2 COVID-19 is a huge thing. This is just another day in biology. In my lifetime, 90% of the American elmetries have died due to Dutch elm disease. We've had polio, HIV, chronic wasting diseases, decimating deer, elk, antelope, moose, across the states in the United States. White nose syndrome is wiping out back colonies in the eastern United States. Frog malformations is a parasite making four and six and eight-legged frogs. Really weird looking stuff. The devil facial tumor disease is potentially causing an extinction of the Tasmanian devil. The human papillomavirus, SARS-CoV-2 is just another day.  We've been through this before with multiple species. In fact, there's a perfect model of what's going on right now. And we're going to call it the 1918, 1919 Spanish flu. And so where did the 1918 Spanish flu start? Kansas, really at Fort Riley outside of Manhattan. And it was spread around the world by military movements. And perhaps as many as 3% of the world died. And you want to look at the graph? There it is. And guess where we are right now? Here, start to look familiar. And what did they do back then? Well, the health care workers wore masks. And there were mask population, masks for the general population. And there were efforts to get everybody to wear masks, but they didn't always work. And those areas where they wore masks, there were less deaths and there were less infections and there was less spread. And they recovered quicker. And where they didn't wear a mask, there were more deaths and there were more infections. And the recovery was delayed. That's not 90% reliability data. That's 100% data. And I don't care where the virus came from. It's here. All right, let's talk about immunology. Flux gave us an intro on this.  And then when you're exposed to second time, your body is flushed with this immune reaction. And you're primed for this reaction. And your response to the second time is much stronger. And if you graph it, this is what it looks like. Your first exposure, you make a little bit of antibody. A little bit. The second time, you make a whole lot. New data? Nope. I drew that graph when I took immunology in 1980. Well-known, 100% known, nothing surprising to us microbiologists. Each person, and Flux has talked about this, I don't really need to spend a lot of time on it. We're all unique, we're all a little different. The way we respond is different. Diseases respond differently. Some give you permanent immunity, some give you temporary immunity. Vaccines are not necessarily designed to keep you totally well.  And so what?  Is that better than three months in an ICU? And in general, let's be honest, most vaccine reactions are probably less than the hangover that some of you had today. OK, this slides a little bit out of date. New data came out Monday that was terrifying. Historically speaking, the vaccines that we've got today are in the 70s to 90% efficacious. But infants don't make antibodies. And as you get older, things like hair, immune systems, hearing, eyes don't work as well. Your body begins to wear out, and you don't respond as well. So there is factors that play into the immunity system. We have known this for decades. It came out after I had this slide written. I wrote that last bullet point 90 days ago. If you've had a Pfizer or a Moderna vaccine, your next booster shot will be eight months after your last one if you are getting the shot. And that's a personal view. You make the decision. This is 100% science. There's not 90. That's 100% confirmed data. OK, data from the 16th of August. How good are the vaccines? If you are vaccinated, your chance of getting seriously ill is 0.0043%. And in biology, that's about as close to zero as you're ever going to get. Oh, wait. Your chance of dying if you are fully vaccinated is 009%. Your choice, what you do. I'm vaccinated, and you've seen me wear a mask most of the time. And when I'm not wearing a mask, I'm a little nervous. This is my last trip until at least Thanksgiving, if not March. Where are we going? That's where we are. Where we came from? There are projections that the peak will be higher than where we are right now. These are the projections from the CDC from a week and a half ago. There is not a single projection that is pointed downward. Not a single projection that is pointed downward. OK, where do we go from here? Within the program. Identify reliable sources of information. If somebody has a name tag, you might can say, are you really Beth Jones, Roy? Probably I'm not Beth Jones. And then study the information. That does not mean pulling on your cell phone during your first cup of coffee and reading it for 30 seconds. It means study the data. And then you develop a plan. You develop a strategic and a tactical plan. And then you implement the plan. And you take records of it.  Crap, Kim. It kind of looks like I stole your slide on marketing from yesterday because this is exactly what Kim was talking about on business planning. You're already doing it. You're just not doing it. No science. I'm not telling you anything you don't know how to do. I'm just telling you you've got to work in a different area that you haven't been working in. I used to slide 2018. Something's coming. We didn't have enough data to know what it was. But boy, was I right. Something got here. OK, with good data, we get a good model. With bad data, we get junk. Your choice. It takes work. There's no shortcuts. No way around it. All right, closing thoughts. Life would be exceedingly boring without the microbial world around us, you know. Paparoni. Sorry, Jocelyn. And microbiology, like life, has twists and turns that we can't always predict, but we can kind of prepare for. So if I've made you think about anything about microbiology and how it might be impacting your life, your float center, stay tuned for part two, because we have two special guests that'll be joining me. And we'll start talking about how we might collaborate to do something just about like what Justin Feinstein talked about this morning, only for operational control, sanitation, developing and a stronger and improved float tank association standard for North American standard of operations and how we can share that with the world, including the CDC and the health department that's breathing down your neck with data. Thank you.


All right, so let's let's kind of get started here So this presentation we want to talk about the past present and future of fiber channel past summits We've had a lot of discussions and and questions come up about fiber channel in open stack and in particular fiber channel in the Cinder project, so We've got a number of people here today, and we're gonna do things a little bit different than a lot of presentations What we're gonna do is The four of us here on stage are gonna kind of go through a few slides and talk about a few things and some of the Efforts and what's going on and share some thoughts, and then we have a whole panel of Cinder developers sitting out front Most of which have fiber channel or are working on fiber channel And we want to open it up to a Q&A for for folks in the audience And we'll all be available to answer questions if you look here. We've got a pretty good list of folks Myself John Griffith. I work from solid fire based out of Boulder, Colorado I've been working on the Cinder project for almost four years now Before it was Cinder back when it was Nova volume. We've got Walt boring from HP Got Ken Martin from HP or Kurt Martin from HP and we've got Shin from EMC and then the other folks here are out front and they'll be ready to go so on that note For those of you just a quick overview Open stack. There's the little diagram that everybody loves to show tell you what it is Hopefully you already know that a little bit about Cinder Cinder is an open-stack block storage service provides persistent block storage For instances to be used in an open-stack cloud It has a plug-in architecture, which is probably the most important point about Cinder and the most important thing to keep in mind There are close to 40 available back-end drivers that you can use in Cinder as of the kilo release Which is a lot. It's a lot to choose from the initial focus of Volumes and block storage in open stack in historically was always ice guzzy and RVD So up until a couple of releases ago. That was your only option and that's pretty much all there was This is not a talk about Cinder itself though. This is a talk about fiber channel in Cinder. So Let's talk about fiber channel Fiber channel has been around for a long time. Most of you probably already know this For a while. It was the de facto solution in IT data centers for a number of reasons Lots of vendors have a lot of great fiber channel devices Customers there's a lot of people that have invested and spent a lot of money to have a fiber channel infrastructure and they already have that setup and That's a really significant investment So then you look at something like open stack that is predominantly ice guzzy then makes some really hard decisions So in terms of ice guzzy There's a number of people will tell you that there's things wrong with ice guzzy and people will tell you there's things wrong with fiber channel For the most part ice guzzy. The only thing that's wrong with it is a bad history So when ice guzzy first came out a lot of people were trying to do things like use one gig Networks for ice guzzy and share their internet traffic all their regular networking traffic and everything over ice guzzy That didn't end well These days with 10 gig and dedicated networks ice guzzy is a really different story. It's Extremely flexible. It's performant. It's very reliable. It gives you a lot of choices and it makes things really easy The reason why it was the default in open stack in particular is the fact that it's easy to plug in and plug out Right. So the whole idea is all you need is a network. Everybody has a network So you can test anything and run anything fiber channel. That's a little harder to do But the whole point of open stack is to give you options and give you choices. So Over the years, we've been doing a lot of work on fiber channel and adding fiber channel capabilities The predominant reason for that is people that have legacy infrastructures and legacy equipment that is fiber channel I've already made that investment. They still want to adopt open stack and run private clouds So they need to have the ability to do that and that's how fiber channel started on that note All right. Thanks John So I'm gonna talk a little bit about the past of the fiber channel implementation within open stack where it's come from and then I'll hand it off to Kurt Okay, so back in the San Diego conference we it was our first time going to working on open stack and Kurt went to the conference and basically announced that we wanted to Implement fiber channel within open stack and we had a bunch of people come up to us from different companies that said hey We're really interested in this as well And so that created a working group that we have been meeting about once a month ever since then To work on fiber channel solve some of the problems and discuss where we wanted to go in the future within open stack And so we came back from that conference and said okay, how are we gonna do this what we needed to do For our company it was to create a volume driver within Cinder that actually supported fiber channel But we didn't have some fiber channel support within Nova at all So we we sat down and worked on it within a couple hours. We had our first Attachment working, but we couldn't detach volumes yet Kind of need to do that So over the course of the of the grizzly release We were able to get the the Nova patch to land at the very last day as I was in Disneyland with my kids Kurt was babysitting the patch and helpful Was helping to get it to land So what did we end up at the end of the grizzly release? We're able to attach volumes and detach them But you had to have your your fabric pre-zoned and that's not optimal, right? It's completely impractical and not very cloudy to do that. So What we had to do is we went back to this working group that we're meeting once a month a lot of companies and we and we Co-designed what we call now the fiber channel zone manager and the zone manager's job is to do the automated zoning For us so that way when you do an attachment of a volume It automatically creates the zone in the fiber channel switches to create the fabric for you So that way the two endpoints can see each other All right, so this was added in the ice house release cycle a lot of companies were involved with it brocade HP EMC IBM and It's it's a really good example of why I personally love working on this project because we have a lot of different companies Working together as a community to make this stuff work and it benefits everyone So I'm really proud of that Okay, so what are the pieces of the zone manager? There's three main components Zoning which is adding and removing of of the zone and then the lookup service And we have a pluggable architecture in the zone manager itself that allows us to have vendor-specific Drivers that knows how to talk to the vendor Switches themselves So the lookup service its purpose is to help The volume drivers create a an initiator target map that knows which two endpoints can actually talk to each other Basically the worldwide names of either side So that way when you do an attachment or the export on the target side You know which ports to export your volume to and then the host on the initiator side will see them So the zoning is basically simple add a zone remove a zone One of the pitfalls that some of the volume drivers fall under when we're doing reviews is they they pass in the Initiator target map every time you do a removal of a volume Well, you don't want to remove that zone if you still have volumes attached, right? So that's one of the things that we look for and and Kurt will talk about so the the two Vendors that we have support in the zone manager today as listed on the slide here is brocade in Cisco And we're actively developing on the zone manager and adding new features And this is a little bit of an overview of what the architecture looks like. It's very simple We have the lookup service and the zone add removal API And then the layer underneath that is where all the vendors plug into that architecture So we have a lot of classes that for each of the vendors brocade in Cisco knows how to do a lookup service They can form to the API's just like we do for volume drivers, right? There's a given API that the volume manager talks to the volume drivers Well, it's the same thing with the zone manager. You have to support the lookup service You have to support add and removal of zones and then it's their job to talk to the the actual switch So from there, we'll talk a little bit about The volume drivers and the support that all the vendors have within center Thanks, Walt. Yeah, as Walt mentioned when we first started this we had to you know, basically Pre-create your zones, which wasn't very usable In the real world in the cloud so in the early time frame Grizzly Havana ice house we had HP IBM EMC submit drivers But once the as you can see by the number of vendors Once we hit Juno and have that zone manager ironed out there was more drivers and We really hit a lot of new drivers and new vendors in the kilo and Time frame The Liberty as we see it. It's just getting going and there's already, you know, four or three new vendors And HP's putting another one up More vendors It's it's really starting to take off and as you can see by the logos there is a number of Options out there For the for the end users for the fiber channel drivers What are the the requirements in that are required? Of course, it's got to meet the minimum requirements for any volume driver But there's a few special things for fiber channel drivers And one of those is you have to extend from the from the fiber channel based class And as Walt mentioned there the fiber channel zone manager We have decorators that you have to decorate the initialized connection with to take advantage of the zone manager So there's a decorator for You know add fiber channel zone So that will call in if the zone manager drivers are configured and send or comp It will actually go and auto create the zones for you when you do an attach Likewise on zone removal so on terminate connection in the drivers You have a removed fiber channel zone and as Walt had mentioned you be careful you have to be careful because It's the drivers responsibility to figure out if the last volume is connected to that hose before it actually removes his own You don't want to wipe out the other ones and Also at starting in the kilo release all sender drivers require are required to have Continuous integration third-party CI every patch set that's put up in the sender comes back and runs a slew of tests on real hardware back in all the vendor sites the results get posted up so In ice scuzzy You have your network and and it's just over ethernet But there's a little few gotchas for fiber channel when you're running your CI environment within a VM on open in open Stack you need to get the HBA information passed through to the VM There's a couple different solutions for CI that people have but PCI pass-through will solve that that requirement and get the HBA PCR PCI for information passed up to the VMs We have a number of people in the community that will that will help with CI I put Rami Oslin his IRC name is off Oslin. He's always in the sender channel. He's available He has this the the CI solution for the ever channel trying to get that all so it's more of a push-button Solution and also Duncan Thomas. So if there's questions on getting CI running for fiber channel, please visit the OpenStack sender channel and being one of these two guys I'd like to pass it over to Jing now that we'll talk about some of the futures that we're looking for for fiber channel So right now there are two syntax facts being reviewed One is the friendly zone names currently the zone names contains The WPMs of the host and the target So it's not friendly the proposal is to add the host name and also storage system names Into the zone names to make it more readable And the second one is the virtual fabric support in the brocade zone manager Cisco already has that support for the vSend. That's the equivalent to this. So those are right now being reviewed And the QA support for zone that's another thing that could be added in the future So that every zone has a different QS level That specifies what's the priority of the traffic flow between the host and the target And another thing is the MPIV support in Liburd so right now you if you partition the HBA into multiple virtual HBAs you can't do a pass-through and Present that into a guest. So you the only way you get it worked is to pass through the entire Entire HBA. So it's just not efficient And then the and another thing that I want to mention here is We're talking about that. We want to move the zone manager into a sub-project Into under sender so that it can be Released as a like a standalone library just like the OS brick so that it can be Leveraged by other projects in the future. So those are the future work future efforts Those are just some useful links. Those are Blueprints actually old blueprints that give you some background of the FC support and the zone manager That's all we have so you guys that come up. So we can take some questions. So real quick Show of hands. How many how many people are? Open-stack developers in the room vendors that are providing Okay, how many people are actually using open-stack deploying open-stack and considering deploying it with fiber channel Okay, so a few so a lot of this talk is it's kind of a mixed talk, right? There's there was a lot of technical information and stuff like that When we talk about the NP IV pass-through and stuff like that That's really only Applicable to people that are developing a driver and need to run CI or people that are running triple O models We're open-stack on open-stack Otherwise, it's it's important to note that the whole point You know in cinder is we want to keep that Connection and usage model exactly the same whether it's ice scuzzy or fiber channel So you as a user or a consumer of open-stack don't actually need to know anything about NP IV or zone managers or anything like that. That's all supposed to be abstracted and handled for you It's all automated So I just wanted to point that out because I think it's important Yeah, if you're not familiar with it, you might be a little confused after seeing some of that But on that note if if there are any questions Yeah, thanks for pointing that out John So basically the the only thing as a deployer you really need to know or understand about fiber channel is You have to know where your switches are right there's some cinder.conf entries that you have to put in To configure the different fabrics that you want to support Which basically is URI to the switch and then Authentication for it and then after that cinder basically takes care of everything for you So when you do a volume attach it automatically creates the zone for you and removes it for you appropriately So that way the attaches just work And were there any questions out there go ahead I have two questions First is what is the integration with the BNA on the brocade side? Instead of direct to a switch as you mentioned So we have a rather large fabric Multiple so at the time when we implemented the solution is directly to the switch, but Angela that stood up in the very back. She's with brocade She will tell you some more of the future plans that they're working on for for exactly that The question was integration So open-stack integration can use the mic. Thank you clarifying the question that Yeah, so there's no future plans There's no plans right now to integrate open-stock with BNA or point open-stock at BNA We contact the switch directly Via SSH or a future plan is for HTTPS My understanding is BNA has the rest API's that Can expose all the fabrics that are managed by that Is it okay? Sorry, so you're interested in fabric management through open-stack Open-stack managing those fabrics through our central management tool Okay, so that is a topic that we are discussing about future Open-stack Fiber-channel network management the second one would be Zoning and the serialization for zone set changes does the FCZM manage concurrency For humans interacting with the fabric as well as automation interacting with the fabric So currently the zone manager doesn't doesn't know anything about humans talking to the switch So if a human goes in and removes his own the zone manager doesn't know that that's actually happened and and in terms of The parallelism I suppose from the cinder's perspective There is a local file lock on the zone manager right now for when zones are added and created So there there is a critical section there to prevent multiple people trying to remove the same zone But it's something that we should probably look at in the future to to ensure that hey when you go to remove a zone It's actually there and there's some fault tolerance within the drivers themselves to have to manage that to a certain extent right To to handle those air conditions so to kind of add to that too one thing to keep in mind that I try and tell a lot of people is You know with with newer things like fiber channel and stuff and you know as you point out There's definitely things that you're going to do differently and you're going to need that aren't available from the orchestration layer But kind of the rule of thumb typically and good advice for most people is Either have open stack manage things or don't when you start mixing those two things together You run into a lot of problems and get a lot of inconsistencies Unfortunately, there are cases where until things are ready and open stack for what you're trying to do You might have to come up with a way to do that But just something to keep in mind Yeah, that's correct John I mean that's pretty much the case with our volume drivers with the arrays I mean if you create a volume and sender and then go delete it on the actual array itself Without going through sender there's obviously going to be problems there right and and sender itself Can't know that someone else's has done that outside of it And so as soon as you the way we look at is this as soon as you plug in that Infrastructure component and have sender manage it then it's really sender's purview to own it at that at that point Okay, any other questions? Yeah, go ahead. If you can use the mic. They'll be great, please Do you have do you have a feeling for how? prevalent the use of fiber channel with a stack currently is and Do you think it's going to? expand or or Become less and less as time goes on considering There's a lot of work involved in trying to get all the zoning working with sender and so on So that's really the question. Have you got a feeling for how prevalent it is and so so I think I'm I'm gonna Give my opinion and then I'll let some other folks give their opinions as well So you've probably noticed that the the bulk of the discussion That's been here and things that we've been talking about is vendors Not users not community personally from from my viewpoint What I have seen in the user community is a lot of people Given the choice between the two in a green field are definitely going the ice scuzzy route Ice scuzzy has come a long way. It's pretty good technology. It's pretty solid that being said Traditional legacy shops that already have fiber channel that want to use that same gear that they already have or reuse that Infrastructure, that's where the need the demand in the community for fiber channel. That's where I'm seeing that demand right now Yeah, that's pretty much the way we view it as well I mean we a lot of our customers for our array. They're primarily fiber channel based So we wanted to make sure that we enabled Open stack for them for that particular reason now in terms of the global community and and what percentage of that is We really don't know but in terms of ice scuzzy versus fiber channel that discussion is no different outside of open stack Then it is inside of open stack right now. So what we're trying to do is ensure that You know open stack is Provides as much support as we possibly can to the existing fabrics that are out there, right? So we we don't want to exclude any anyone at this point So I just want to add that It's a similar to what you guys are saying that we are also having customers who who have this demand I mean we have both right their customers who want ice cousin of a customer who want FC I don't think it's going away because they have already made a lot of investment in FC So they definitely want to move that into open stack I was gonna support that I've actually suddenly seen a real growth in request for it as we have more of our existing users Moving to you know trying open stack and it's like what we want to use our existing fiber channel infrastructure. So, you know, I think Through sessions like this and some of the work we're doing There's a we're gonna continue to focus on improving it as we can Yeah, you have to remember the difference between Public, you know, obviously cost reasons it wouldn't make sense to do this in a huge public cloud But in a private cloud as everybody kind of alluded to you have you have your infrastructure there already and It's chances are it's being way it under underutilized now So they're trying out open stack and yeah Anybody else want to Mike Hello, I'm just thinking on how about Having both technologies together. I don't know they'd be having in this in the center several backends Like ice Cassie RDB and pirate channel together We absolutely do support that today and and we do it in in-house in our testing and development on on our same blades or Servers if you will we actually have ice Guzzi and fiber channel volume drivers instantiated and are testing those both in real time Just using different volume types or whatnot to test them both out this at the same time So so cinder offers a multi back-end actually it offers two options for multi back-end You can either deploy them on the same cinder volume node In one volume service or you can horizontally scale out like everything else in open stack and add more volume Yes, absolutely you want to incur that pain you are welcome I just want to point out to we have we support both and It is two separate drivers, so it's it's not like you can Have some kind of multi-packing between the two You can definitely run them both concurrently and and that is supported Yeah, so if you have an existing FC deployment and you're thinking about switching ice Guzzi You know you can actually deploy it that way and have both at the same time as you're transitioning Even talking to the same array, so a lot of the race support both at the same time so So it would work in that One point of clarification though to be be careful about is There's the assumption that you have a symbol a single fabric behind it that you're not mixing vendors because that that does not work Correct if you have some brocade some Cisco hardware you need to have a single fabric environment Yeah, brocade and Cisco don't play well together Surprise I have had people asking about that though, so I thought this was a good opportunity to bring that up Yeah, absolutely go ahead Yeah, just because some question about When you test this driver For the five, I know what's the backhand array you are testing like? Hitachi or It's whoever that vendor is that's running that test so so This is definitely a vendor-driven effort So HP for example has the three power array that has fiber channel IBM has store was with fiber channel EMC has some fiber channel those folks are actually testing their back-end devices on fiber channel Going forward what I would like to see is there is the ability now to do Use things like lio to do fiber channel targets for generic LVM devices and disk back devices So that we could have something that was a more general, you know test environment and vendor neutral I'd like to see something like that take off Whether we will or not. I don't know. I don't know how valuable it is Currently is any demo or any use case for like for our environment actually we are using Hitachi So I can see they have driver for usp vsp stuff so So it's up to it's it's up to the vendor It's up to Hitachi for example to provide a fiber channel back-end driver for their device inside of Cinder, right? Okay, and that's that's your use case. Okay, very good. Okay sex You can actually go see the CI results if you you know every Wonder who has a CI driver now actually we publish results Yeah, every patch that gets submitted into Cinder is actually now Tested against all of the arrays that are supported within Cinder And that includes all of the fiber channel drivers as well We have another question in the back. Go ahead. Sure So as somebody with a large investment in fiber channel currently, I'm interested in this panel's perspective As far as I guess the prevalence of fiber channel in the market goes We see a lot of Good still in fiber channel. I know there's brocade people in the room too who might want to comment, but I Just wonder what your feeling is for the future of the technology you know what with direct connected sass and you know everything ice scuzzy kicking around the corner on 40 gig and whatnot I Just I just want to feel from the room to see what they actually believe or perceive I don't think is going away anytime soon I think there's a lot of value our customers are primarily fiber channel based because of the of the performance of it They're willing to invest that that high cost to create the fabrics and and do that separate kind of technology And and use fiber channel. I can't speak for everyone But I think it's I think it's going to stick around and we're continuing to develop on it and add more features to it As as Ying talked about in Cinder, so we're going to support it for a while So I'm one of those people that always has the contradictory perspective on this my viewpoint is that I Honestly, I do believe that one of the only reasons why fiber channel is still Really around and gets discussed and talked about is because the investments that people have already made I think that if you were to to start again like I said before if you go green field and you put the two technologies up against each other There is almost in my opinion no compelling reason Anymore to choose fiber channel over ice scuzzy especially with 40-gig coming out The the arguments about performance reliability and stuff. Those have pretty much diminished over the past couple of years ice scuzzy technology has come a really long way and then as you pointed out People are even moving towards the direct attach model, right? So So san in general is not quite the king that it used to be So it's kind of an interesting. It's kind of an interesting shift So that that's my perspective and in to be fair I do work for a company that does both fiber channel and ice scuzzy So I'm not just saying that because I think ice scuzzy is because ice scuzzy is the only option We have both options, but personally I Think the future direction is definitely Just add a little little to that. I'd you know fiber channel has been on its way out for a long time now and it It's like tape. It's eventually someday. It'll go away, but There's still a lot out there and we do still see a lot of interest in it. I Actually don't think that's going to go away Yeah, I have seen enough customer demand on that so I don't I don't believe it's going to go I mean, I mean definitely there are more and more demand on the ice scuzzy But I just don't think fc will always have a place. So yeah, and you also see more and more vendors Riding fiber channel drivers. So I think they're getting asked to do that by their customers. So the pure numbers Yeah, that's that's the the the one big question that everybody has is security, right? there there's You can find security questions and security issues no matter what right and the problem is is yeah, you can you can You can inject the argument about packet sniffing and Breaking into the network and stuff those sorts of things It also holds true those same thing. I get this all the time in open stack because of hey What are my guests having access to what if somebody breaks out of the VM or breaks out of the hypervisor, etc? Those are questions and those are issues Some environment some shops they will probably never be able to use ice scuzzy because of the perceived insecurities I say perceived But it just kind of depends so that is one case you're absolutely right that is one case where I think it is So are you asking about QoS for volume types? That's there's no blueprint yet. It's just something that Someone mentioned it could be added in the future. Yes, a brocade has that support So yeah So so one of the things that we're actually thinking about adding it is support for QoS in the volume types itself too as that add that as a new back end For the zone manager itself there's a Back in QoS, which the raise handle there is a front-end QoS that is a type and Know when the hypervisors support that it makes sense and the switches Offer it to awful offer the middle QoS Setting so the the structures there this the switch companies are working on or you know that it's In the future, but it has been talked about up offering that at that middle level as well So unfortunately we're out of time But we're all available if you guys want to grab us outside the door or even up here answer any other questions But thanks a lot for coming appreciate it. Hopefully this was helpful


Oh hey, you're back. Tyler here with the Pyramid Insider. Today I'm going to run down some of our holiday picks for the hottest guns of 2021. If you didn't know about these already, now you're going to. Alright, so starting off our list here we have the Umarex Gauntlet II. Obviously this one came out to a lot of fanfare as the upgrade to the ever popular Gauntlet I. Real nice shooter, very, very powerful. A lot of nice upgrades over the original and this one. Definitely one you need to check out if you are in the market for an affordable BCP. I highly recommend it. Next up we have the Benjamin Semi-Auto Marauder. Now this is the synthetic stock model. The Woodstock had been out for a little bit. 22 caliber regulated semi-auto. That's the important one.  Next up on our list is the Woodstock Avenger. Now this came out early 2021. Very, very popular. A lot of people ask for that Woodstock. This gun is super adjustable. You have an adjustable regulator, adjustable hammer, spring, side lever action, lovely gun. A little bit heavier than the original handles really nicely and shoots great too. Next up is the Gammo Swarm Fusion Gen 2. Now that Gen 2 refers to this new lower profile indexing system for the magazine, which allowed them to integrate some open sights on it, which is very nice. We've got an upgraded scope on it here, but you have a thumb hole stock and again, you know, that 10X system, regardless of if it's the old style or this new Gen 2, gives you that quick fast follow-up ability that really makes this a ton of fun and a pleasure to shoot available in 1.77 and 22 caliber. Next up we have the latest in the sig line. This is the MCX Cane Brake. Now this is built off a similar system to their original MCXs and MPXs, but obviously a much shorter system. The Cane Brake is an entirely suppressed rifle that they make and see it in an air gun format is really, really cool. Obviously semi auto capable with their normal belt style mag. This is a great little tactical CO2 blaster. Uses an 88 gram cartridge right in the back there. This thing is going to be a great training tool, a lot of fun. They're usually pretty accurate. You know, come with the sights, everything that you need to get started, especially good for those of you that are looking to do some training in the backyard. All right, next up we have the Crossman A4P. Now I know what you're thinking, Tyler, this is a BB pistol, not a rifle. You're supposed to be talking about hot rifles. Well guys, I'm being honest with you, it's a pythole, okay, pistol rifle. It does both. Blurs that line really nicely. This is a full auto BB blaster and a ton of fun built on that DPM SSBR kind of frame. You have a really short barrel on this and no butt stock, all right. So yeah, it's made to be shot kind of like this, but you could throw that into your shoulder, throw a red dot on it and you're going to have a ton of fun. 25 rounds full auto, semi auto, whatever you want, and it's got blowback. A great option for a backyard flinger. Next up is the Walther Rain. Now this came out earlier in 2021, 22 caliber and 25 caliber respectively. This is brought to us by Walther Numerax obviously, and their first kind of bullpup PCP entry. You've got a bottle hidden in the stock here of very, very nice looking gun. One of my favorite things is actually this cocking lever right here. It's obviously positioned in a good ambidextrous spot for anyone to get to it without breaking position much, but it is also ambidextrous. So you can flip it over to the left-hand side. They detail how to do that in the manual. Overall, a really sweet looking gun and shoots pretty darn well too. Available right now, good choice if you're in the market for a bullpup. And last, but certainly not least, is one I have been highly anticipating and that is the Hotson Factor RC. Now this is regulated and adjustable regulated. So you have your regulator adjustment here. We have hammer spring adjustment here. And if we flip it over, we have a transfer port adjustment. So this is going to allow you to set it up however you want. And it uses those swing load magazines that we saw on the Blitz. So you're getting a ton of shots per magazine, 580 CC bottle. This thing's going to offer a lot of shots per fill as well.  You have an AR style grip and a small Picatinny 4-end rail here. So you can mount your bipods and accessories, things like that. This should be an awesome shooter, a little bit higher end price point for Hotson, but offering a lot of features and a great, great value. I'm really excited to get this one out and shooting. That's going to wrap us up here for our Hot Guns of 2021 Holiday Pigs. Hope you enjoyed it. I've got to get back to work. I'll see you guys later.