Well, maybe you won't you Ready the same thing, but it's a woman who has to walk around and just brawl in our panties. Oh, that would be changed on the time Probably try and make the the female predators really sexy.  It's it's aliens. We could call them sexual predators. No way. Oh my goodness I can do it All righty, so today's game of the game is super monkey ball Mocker y'all have a play monkey ball. I Don't think I ever played it.   Oh, no The burning loins you say Alrighty so While I play through this little game was like pinball or pebble must not really like pebbles like it's like marble blast But not now pebble is a good game. Why didn't they make more pebbles? What happened a monthly pebble today did they get like removed? Did what did they do do they do evil did the company go down what happened I do not know I think pop-cap is who made pebble.   I'm not even sure I wouldn't be surprised if they did I can check on steam Purgle we have a good pebble deluxe pebble nights and pebble pack Which I I guess pebble packed is all the pebbles. I'm pretty sure that's pebble deluxe and pebble nights I don't know it is seven. It's on sale right now. The pebble pack bundle is the seven dollars fifty cents Look guys. I just got like an error for dolphin for this game if it doesn't work or it freezes I'm gonna go to Luigi's mansion. Okay I'm willing to play a game where I'm a ball. I swear Are homing shots any good with brimstone. No At least not with the maybe with normal brimstone, but not with a zazel's one. It's more damage though They're both pretty good you get ready for the work or not I think I'll have to look into I might actually just end up getting the resume before on Gamecube I might end up making it easier. I'm not sure So the It won't be as preferable, but that is okay As they go backwards. No, I haven't watched invincible yet. Wow, not a true anime fan You haven't watched it. I'm not a true anime fan Female reproductive mandibles. Yeah, that's a great way to start the stream. I'd say Anybody who's like just tuned in they listen to the beginning. They're like, yeah reproductive mandibles Yeah, I mean I would I'd do that. I give that a try. Give it a go. As long as they didn't have like teeth or anything on them Give it a go My winning mom Don't really know this game is a little chaotic. Also, is it is it? I don't know that we're collecting bananas as monkeys I feel like that's a it's a stereotype. I don't know. Oh, no Did you guys ever get road rage IRL? Uh since I don't drive rags. We have a been road ragey No, I don't think so.   There's some kind of variation Geez, I mean it killed myself Amos louder than voice how did that happen? Oh, is that about my stream or your stream? That's my stream, but I know how because everything is like on one for me. I don't know this game Is kind of loud? I missed a bananae I'm a terrible monkey. I think I think it's like Super low like I don't know. Oh Everyone else says lies. It's not for me. Okay. Well, uh I see um You do Yeah, I mean big way. Why not? I don't see why I'm not gonna give up that title Seems like a cool one. I might have powers with it. I don't know get the bananae Okay, there we go Goal Um, I started playing resident evil 4 also high rags Hi there Yeah, I think rags would approve of resident evil 4 from what I understand Yeah, good stuff. Oh My god, the bananas move with the platforms What is this next gen video gaming? Larks Guys this is all spooky It doesn't feel safe Spooky. Yeah, she apparently your chat is not on screen. I haven't checked myself with someone just they're right.  It's not by fault.  You have to do what happens Hey, look, uh I think that you're mistaken because chat is totally working if you Uh Have your eyes turn to it in just a moment. It'll be right there And and nothing was ever wrong. Nope See see this is another benefit of just being in my chat. You can just fix mupless chat That's it's crazy.  Feels bad now It has not been my fault. I do not accept this What are you Italian? I'm sorry.  Holy ball sack of runes Hey, everyone glad to see you're playing this classic thinking of buying the first volume of berserk and giving it a try A memory of kintaro mura Um, yeah from what I hear it's a lot of fun Uh, the whole set And it's a shame he won't be able to finish himself Um I crew this week has been a mixed bag yesterday. I I killed myself.  I graduated But this week. I also lost my cat. I'm one of my favorite authors kintaro mura I'm assuming that is going to be passed away.  I think I'm about to like fail the whole thing I don't think I need the mollusk if a monkey ball race It would be embarrassing. We shouldn't Well, I did it again. All right, this my first attempt was the best one. This is dark souls I have received a bunch of play points though Wait, what happens if I continue do I get do it? Is there a is there a penalty or? A penalty Penalty look guys We've got to get every banana on this stage now to to claw back the pride of being defeated by the benes Oh Benes Uh jay long was doing a stream and one of the videos was talking about queer coding and their example lined up with mohler I'm queer coded I'm not even sure if that means I have powers, but I'll take it. Oh Uh, there's some people I'm sure you don't think so. The host my fire laser. That's the important bit I don't necessarily put to a chat over youtube chat so I can use proper emotes true The youtube is where all the cool people are so Oh, look at that guys. We did the whole thing this time You did it Goal one gay wins I for um Hey, muesli far from home of four or five winter soldier poopy and then okay, so from what I understand It's probably better that you guys have to wait for the for the number ratings slash ratings in general for the Conversation that that makes more sense. So let's just say Uh Get excited I suppose. I feel like I shouldn't say anything He's gonna be fun Um Started playing mass effect. Do y'all like it? Hi rags Hi, yes Yeah, I mean I'm fringing and rags a big big old fan arenas of it me and mel haven't played it. I think I played one and two way back when it came out Nobody and I remember liking it, but I don't remember anything about it. Oh damn Yeah, I just thought you hadn't played it at all because you just never talk about it Well, that's why you're a bad friend. No, that just means you're a dispassionate monk a law could be a better friend Though in all fairness, I think everyone could be a better friend. I was like not me Yeah, rags pretty cool. Okay. Yeah, because I'm the best friend.  Okay That's what they say I could not be a better friend. I would I just won't I won't do it I guess I want to out of principle I won't I'm fine is this Oh, there we go Um, oh my god, my childhood fave a lot of people requested I play this since it is on the gamma cube And people like it a lot. I think it's neat And there's plenty to do I think like collect bananas Oh my goodness gracious. It's rags It is me. Hello, and that weird German guy who's terrible at video games. Also. Hi wambo. Hello I heard that.  You're nothing. Yeah, you're nothing I heard add to all the things So wait, I have done something I don't think I've unlocked anything though super monkey ball staff Is this the credits? Oh, no, can I get points in the credits? Oh, I can Oh, is that losing the bananas? I got to avoid the lesses. I see Oh, this is nice.  All right. Yeah So I keep losing all of my binaries Oh Guys, I think I've frozen super monkey ball.  I know Okay, a little bit unreliable sovis I think I only have one half heart left and I don't like it I only have one heart Left left Can I say can I say left like yeah, I can't yeah I only have one heart left Uh watched army of the dead. It was the worst zombie movie I've ever seen. It's also the worst movie snider ever did. Oh, that's Why I listen I'm So it's not that I don't believe you But have you seen his other films? It might it might be that's the thing I could totally believe that this is the worst zombie movie ever made It's certainly definitely maybe could be We shall see I suppose. Uh, hello all just finished watching you guys play dark pictures little hope had so much fun watching Y'all played did you enjoy it as much as I did?   I can't wait Rags tell james how wrong he is about the mass effect trilogy in your smug doggo fashion James who's james well james more Or another james. I didn't know if that's the james we're talking about Um, I'm guessing. I don't know. I don't I don't really care all that much I haven't played them in so long I don't even know what his take is. Maybe it's a good take Maybe he doesn't think they're good, but I don't I don't know about that I don't know. I don't know what his Thing is though, so Yeah Mel you must be aware of this mysterious mass effect take right I probably mentioned it a bunch in my chat, but I already forgot. I'm sorry damn I think he likes one of the others more Andromeda's yeah I hope not. No, no, no I don't know this is impossible Are you any of the other messes except with victoria 3? I I never played a single one of those games. So not really Oh, no, I'm gonna have to do the spooky hard level again Do do do Hello there. Hi rags. Hi How did I Just watch tonal's incredible story and efap 100 genuinely shed a tear. What a wonderful humer god Yeah, man. That's uh, what's some good times? That's almost a year ago that happened now Jesus Yeah, hard to believe time moves fierce. I'm having fun Um all this great media, you know, we're just having a great time.  Wow Yeah, I saw some of the of the oddworks. They're pretty pretty darn impressive. I only hear good things about it Which is cool And I died. Uh-huh.  I would highly recommend it if you haven't I wouldn't like it. I have not Maybe actually that's not true.  It's not as bad as other games, but basically yes There is a twinge of weeb. Yes You know some say there's a twinge of weeb in Resident Evil.  It's not very good But surprisingly not woke like most MCU stuff these days also high rags. Ooh Hi Um, I don't even know what that show is. Well, I think I've heard that it was a thing Wait, what show modoc Uh, no first one. I don't know. I got nothing for that It only took two and a half years, but I finally started watching Buffy I hope you're happy now sir. Mr. Sir of house long Well, uh Just let me know how the story ends. Did you give up on it because it was too cringe? Or did you watch it through to the end and Maybe feel a few things. Remember Buffy and Angel, all right Yeah, let's go. There's no skipping one for the other Oh Uh I've seen all of his movies, but even the first 10 minutes was enough to convince me that this abomination is the worst Holy moly. Oh, wow, that must be pretty bad. I kind of want to see it now. Oh, that's a ball string Actually, it's a zombie movie. It's so easy to do I wonder if it's worse than the winter soldier Here's my birthday. Well, happy birthday. Happy flamboyantons. Yeah, I hope you're having a good one Uh I'm still pretty devastated even though I know it's dumb to me It would be like if Tolkien died before return to the king He had such a huge influence on my adult life. That was the second half of the early one. Yeah, I uh I follow I um This is this is a pretty significant blow to a lot of people.  I guess maybe maybe it will be um Did you ever notice sometimes there are too many bananas but not enough coconuts some african guy Well, I don't get it was a reference I thought that was a weird sex thing I mean, I'm not a gangster if it is, you know, everybody's entitled to their own preferences Ah, yes, you open a chest for the key just to get another key Oh, no, we crashed again. Um, I'm right back where I've started Just like a damn fiddle. Also, don't worry about seeing two minute of dark fate as a background I just needed the color Because I had to fill in the sides But um, yeah, that just crashed the whole program. So now I'm gonna have to try a different back end If it doesn't work I am going to resort to luigi's mansion. I'm so sorry for that, but there's nothing I can do lu gizm Oh, yeah Gizm matizms.  I so love the zamp the zambloid apocalypse, but they're very overdone and samey They can be Yeah, I I really like the the idea the concept of fitting off zombies But I feel like it's always really just not quite done as well as it could be. It's very difficult There's some I like I really like 28 days later um They're you know, there's good stuff out there. I like zombie games There's plenty of zombie games or zombie-esque games that I enjoy Yeah I mean zombies was where we were at Um before superheroes took everything, I think right Everyone's doing zombies All right, we're on a different back end now, so we might get different results Hopefully it just doesn't break it all but if it does guys, you know, luigi. He's just looking at me He's giving me the luge luigi luigi Zombal and zombie land one was great Yeah, what is a weird one for me maybe the first time I watched it I really liked it and then I rewatched it and I couldn't get into it I was like, I don't like this for some reason sure bothered me so much about it And this was definitely something that shouldn't have annoyed me so much because I wasn't even like I'm certainly not a gun person, but The main character's primary weapon to carry around with him in the zombie apocalypse constantly is a double barrel shotgun And like I kept thinking man if a group of like five come at you and you get two Then you just got to run like if only you had three well, I go to five There's three coming after you then so I said five because you could manage to kill the three with two shots if you Get it if you get them in bottleneck. So I don't think so Well, there's only I think people I think people seriously So a shotgun has basically there's shotguns don't penetrate really It's one of the reasons they're great for things like home defense. Oh, I was picturing a scatter not like a slug And the second thing I was going to say is people really overestimate how much spread a shotgun has Yeah, but you I'm assuming the user would know this like and can take advantage of it Uh So it's not necessarily about taking advantage because that won't change the property of the shotgun itself Um, like you have to aim with shotguns down the sights and everything Shotgun I have is a ghost ring site. It's you just got to you have to aim And at the point where they spread out so far that it can hit two zombies I am very very skeptical of its ability to kill a zombie reliably Well, then maybe it will but I now yeah, I personally if if the zombie apocalypse happens I would not if I I would I would not use a shotgun myself if they're now there if there was someone See how yeah, I just I wouldn't use a shotgun If I did it would be it would be my hawk 982, which is a 12 gauge pump action Um And it's tube fed So but I wouldn't use a double barrel Um So anyway, I said five just to make sure right so because it's a very good chance It's gonna be big groups. So there's a pot in the movie.  I bet they'd be super exploitable Like can they unlock a door or things like that? You know how intelligent would they be you depend? but Yeah, double world shotgun would not be my first uh, it wouldn't be my first choice Also, I've already got the freeze warning on this back end.   Oh wait, I read that Uh best slash worst superhero costume in movie you've seen Superhero costume? Uh, there's a lot of good mcu games I miss read Best costume for a superhero. Um Assuming it has to be an actual costume not just a um, like clothes Uh, presumably yeah So I think I really don't like captain falcons in the windows whole show But I doubt that's gonna be comparable to whatever the worst ends up being No He adjusted a big dumbo Did you know I picked up the satanic bible in Isaac.  I looked it up But I misread it. It's plus one black heart when you use it And now like half a heart left. So I just picked it up and died immediately. Oh, no Oh The anti-movey satanic bible. Oh, definitely I'm just saying the man makes some good points Orgasmo cap one in event cap and avengers one is worst. Yeah, that's probably the worst of all of his I'm sure what was going on with that. They get pretty good over time though. Yeah I think they get pretty good. Uh, it's not even civil war. He looks pretty awesome Uh, iron man looks better more often than not I'd say for the most part I think I like his career iteration better. It looks more like plady Not oh definitely in smooth. Yeah, his best look might actually be I'm at one I think I might be inclined to agree Because he just yeah, he looks like you hear the word iron man and there's there's almost a A quasi primitive aspect to it a club where it's just a bunch of yeah, like a steampunky almost sort of vibe Um, yeah, so you can see the rivets and stuff a hyper advanced one in Infinity war and and games stuff just a little bit kind of lame They're fine. Yeah Yeah You know, there's a lot of like as for best ones. It's like yeah, iron man. It's like I guess um, I thought that the um The the suit that batman's built to take on Superman looked cool But I know a lot of people have different opinions on that one I'm I'm easily a sucker for just cool-looking stuff But cool can be anything Even me Who can be anything let's roll it back. Let's not go nuts oh man There's two hidden rooms in the first floor and I haven't gotten a single bomb This is very upsetting So if I were able to skip the credits, maybe I wouldn't freeze can I do that or do I have to play them? Oh, you're not cool metal go I can't even pause this part of the game. Gosh, this is again Dark Souls.   Oh, here we go Why is it wrong to be overly villainous for the sake of power and control? Supposedly it's done right and well written Do all villains need to have deep tragic background and complex story behind them? Oh, there are just some people who are terrible for that lust for power and control of a life Stalin comes to mind for that I'm sure I was more complicated than like the emperor Palpatine, I mean yeah And power for its own sake isn't a terrible motivation Because it like when people say oh, they just want power, but why it's it's sort of a self-answering question Powers a pathway to all kinds of different things No control and it could be for all kinds of different reasons to that character Um I mean you can have villains who don't even have motivations. They're just evil like evil creatures evil Uh, whether they're tyrannids or scathing or they're they're just evil They're they have chaotic natures or they're born of black magic or they're zambies or something like that But they were talking character wise Um, as long as it makes sense. I'm generally going to be okay with it. Um But yeah, I'm fine for a villain who just wants to be more powerful and who wants more control Especially if they're extremely If their personality is to be domineering and they want to control And it could you can have all kinds of very different Um Reasons for why they want power But you don't have to overthink it. It's just better to have something Than nothing generally unless it's bad You know just avoid Contradictions don't make them don't make them stupid That's another one Yeah, stupid villains are Far more common than I'd like I finally finished Buffy enjoyed season one to two despite the flaws season four is a personal favorite But season six is objectively the best All right, so I agree with you on the last bit, but personal favorites number four. Damn. I do not hear that from like anybody Um, a lot of people put season two above season four, but you know, I like to hear it because I'm a fan of season four I think it's almost Underrated by a lot of people The true Buffy heart take how long are these credits? Did they think about this when making this? No, like yeah, I mean it's fun with the bananas, but I don't know You'll get there eventually. I'm all a rags moodle. Sheffirla says several bad takes He has a series called why bojack horseman is the best thing that ever happened Oh, no, um, that's fine for him To say that his that's cute He he made an okay impression when we first covered him like two years ago, but uh That last video cover of his first year. Was it tlj? I think He probably thinks that's good I think his video was like being critical of endgame while saying that tlj did something that endgame tried to do But better I think that was the video and we ended up like agreeing with some stuff Conquering but now though Um, but that falcon the winter soldier one was amazing That was really bad It's highly amazing Oh There we go. The best thing that ever happens. I prefer food though. Who's pretty cool.    He is embraced modernity.  Whoa You ready? Wait, how do I Oh, that's an interesting way to do that. How much time do I have? Oh, it's 60 seconds.  Those were four bad pills In one room Wow, that's pretty impressive um This is a community service reminder by the way for people who are new to mass fact here never play mass effect andromeda ever I would say avoid that one Oh fair enough We survived the credit sequence. Maybe this game is long for this world I'm gonna play as gone gone Gone gone. He's my favorite. He's my favorite the monkey Um, yeah, it was about me.  We wouldn't have gotten the souls born games as we know them without berserk true uh A lot of the art would have been very different Does that mean that dark souls 2 is berserk's fault? Well, no Lucky it's that game's mechanics that are the problem If minus an award which you expect wait other pills connected to the luck stat. I didn't even know that You didn't know that I didn't know you know that Yeah, well, there you go.  Probably thought the same thing So you're you're playing the idea of isek now Yes What i'm doing now as i'm playing risk of rain 2 and i'm trying to beat the game with the artifact of glass What does that do want to tell you you do you do 500 more damage, but you only have 10 health Oh damn, so i'm giving that a run I hope you live Me too Try and some stretch your teas out Monsoon of course, it's gotta be a proper game difficulty This game feels dangerous like I could fall off at any moment I think you can actually An 11 hour podcast hating on women for having pepinion is the lowest of the low you need to touch some grass Oh, we can go lower could have had a revolution But instead you cashed in don't care if I make false assumptions your critiques are poor hashtag molar is hypocrite Damn it How did they find us out? I didn't such a thing. I won. Yes Wait, what's a banger? Risk of rain two. Yeah, we aren't good pretty good How much do I care about bananas? Well, are you a monkey things? I've gotten a lot, but like I have I have 27 28 Not only like two that's like one on like an hour's worth of bananas So how many bananas before I can sort of like be like, okay. I have enough Um, how many bananas and so do you play as a monkey in super monkey ball or do you play as a ball? I think I'm currently a gorilla Oh, oh, like so like a great ape. I believe so. He's called gone gone humans are one of the great.  Yeah Where did he go? I don't know man.   If you don't mind me asking. What is super jack catch up? Um currently right now. Yes, you made it. You did it. What's a high five? I got some incredible timing This is some there's some monkey ball in the background. Uh, I'm current.  I think I think I've been killing myself a little too much in this game Gone gone died This is seed one trope I hate an anime when the villain is smart and competent and has Put the perfect plan to dominate everything just right then the hero comes in We've come try plot supplies and destroy the villain in the end Feel sorry for the villain all that planning years of academy training waste Hey, I can just do this Oh gone gone. Come on, buddy believe in you Who trapped these creatures in these bowls by the way? Yeah Oh, I'm I'm misunderstanding this level completely Uh, it wasn't just the art of doc cells the majority of the characters and even the title of the series is straight up taken from My god Well, that's neat. I think it just goes up and down on a little timer thing, right? That was happening I got little chad little chub No, no We can just get to the goal straight away. I'm not going to worry about the bananas on this one I don't have any play points. Oh Uh net of your hood of your takes back when it came out But what did you think of the story of red dead redemption 2 replaying it now? Well, if only Fringy can answer because I don't know I didn't play it.  Where you going? the dank depths Uh, have you guys seen the bad batch yet first episode wasn't bad. Still a few tisms though Transition to empire from the clone's perspective is cool.  I don't like I was so confused. I didn't know like chat. Is this a thing or am I am I misrepresenting? He's he's hilarious. He like he played the character in a different show when he was older But now he's playing like the younger version of him, but they didn't do anything to his voice It says efab gaming by the way, I don't know if it's mistake or not Oh, yeah, but because it's the first time I played super monkey ball So if I go kind of like a showcase, but we'll also do super chest the same time So a lot of people are saying yes and spot on Apparently this is true. He did and it and I saw a clip of it and it was really funny I don't know why they okayed it. I guess it's because of the name Nobody's gonna care if he's old Let the artists have their vision Yeah with the artists have their vision early early puberty Yeah, we um, we have not seen the bad batch.  That's starring a whole war Oh, damn. That's a lot of war news Will you guys play through all the halo games refab gaming before halo infinite comes out? Maybe no guarantee Oh, we cannot say for sure Hey fabcast. Hey rags mola. Hello. Howdy Uh, I remember when I first seen tlj I had such anger and such confusion to what I had watched in cinema I couldn't put it into words and then like a saint your videos appeared in my suggestions and did it for me I feel like I might have read that one out before but Fair enough, and I'm glad you had fun with it because Uh, a lot of people tend out to feel very similar This isn't fair. I can't collect these very easily because the floor is changing. I think they did this on purpose Someone actually complains like developers the the floor moves in this one. It makes it harder. Can you fix this? I'm running out of time for the bonus mission now My bananas No, no no no no Bonus finish Um, but yeah, we'd like to do halo at some point don't know when exactly absolutely. Yeah What is this 1.0 0.3? I guess I'll go with oh, is it how thin the railing is? Geez, this is terrifying So it's just like that scene after the red wedding where they cut robb's head off and put wool set instead and paraded his body Are you laughing at that? This just sounds funny as a concept When it's star wars Just a cut off head somewhere parading around you have an interesting view on humor Wait, why is that a lot over this? What am I supposed to do? Hurry up. No I don't think I was allowed to do that, but I did wait. What's happening. I think I'm stuck Up up bananas. Let's just go with the easy one. Shall we? I don't need bananas. I got loads That mission is scary. I don't like small things Or I am gorilla monkey Um into the gungeon is my current favorite roguelike followed closely by risk of rain too. Hope we get some new good ones soon Me too. I kind of like the genre. There's some cool stuff you could do with it Very broad It's all of the benene You're full. You think the mcu will ever achieve previous highs? No No No, you're like, well, you think this is like a chat, right? The mcu has probably behind us. Yeah I mean, it's not impossible if it happens. I'll be Shocked. I think it's only going to be happening with small projects being given to some random It's not going to happen on any of the bigger ones now Yeah Would you see it? What are you gonna do? I'm watching your france videos on youtube and getting angry at dnd again. Hopefully Elden Ring is cool, though Bottle, how many flunk what do you need to shave your beard? I'm just gonna shave my beard stop asking bastards Uh, would you recommend resnual village to someone with mummy issues? We definitely read that one out before So now I have to figure out where we are Oh, you know what? This that seems new if I told you that Thanos regretted using stones to kill half the universe And my references were the scene where he says to baby Gamora that it cost him everything And the fact that he destroyed the stones. What would you say? So he says that to a I assumed in reference to killing Gamora not into referencing Yeah Because that's right after he's done the snap Or you could even say it's as he does the snap so he wouldn't have time to regret it yet I don't know why he would be talking about everything else. Yeah, because like it seems that Gamora was the main thing He actually liked in the world This path is scary as well I hope it should be his tanky What the deflects bullets Um, you might be playing me trilogy. So I also suggest da origin since for me It's basically lord the rings of video games. It shows me it shows what the me ending could have been Also a high grand ragas. What is your thoughts on da? I really like dragon age origins dragon age two is all right, but dragon age origin span That's uh, that's quite a game Uh, I would definitely recommend it. It's tough Uh, probably takes a couple attempts to really sort of get it down. It's definitely a game that takes some learning But it's very rewarding and there are some great characters and some awesome writing Good stuff Wonderful God the sacrifices I make for bananas. Oh, am I dead?  You gotta try synthetic muffle. I don't think I've ever heard of it I think I've heard of it. I think I've heard it's good I have a big Interest in in the things that were mentioned. I might uh What would you recommend rags playing the mass effect trilogy first or dragon age origins? I'd say mass effect trilogy Well, dragon age origins is a game So you could probably complete that game faster than the mass effect trilogy And then move on I I would say though that uh dragon age origins is definitely more difficult Not max as a rago scene or trite eternal Returnal, I don't think you have a playstation 5 so No, I don't have From what I've seen it's like, uh, it's like rope lights With like a time loop thingy going on I think Uh Look, I don't know it looked kind of cool graphically like it's like, yeah, I don't know But playstation only so I don't know if I'll be able to play it Yeah, I'm not if it's not if it's not a pc I'm not playing it God damn.  I guess I should just ignore the banana. That's probably the way to go Why can't I jump? I feel like I'm missing a jump option Do you think we'll be probably regret stepping up 75 of the universe? I don't think so. No No, you'll be doing it again soon enough. What did it cost? Nothing Why would you ask Got rid of the troglodytes that That's the stall. Why hallowade the moon base or something Uh, but yeah, you know I might play them in future as Dave Filoni climbs higher at lucasfilm Are you more optimistic for the future star wars? I'm hopeful for the future personally No, I don't know why you would think that we would think why Um, I guess if rags, what would you want to have to deal with another tlj or another mando season? Another mando season. Yeah, so I guess in a in a sense, we'll have Filoni Take over being a plus but my god That's where we're at. I guess it's way more fun to make fun of it's so terrible and Entertainingly terrible that I would much rather watch another mando Easily and plus there aren't any characters to ruin so That makes it safe. Yeah The action will all be stupid, but it always was anyway, so um Mass Effect is the game of thrones of gaming not the plot how the ending killed the entire franchise except at least Mass Effect was consistent until that point instead of a multi season collapse high rags and hello rags pure luscious snow Hello Love me some snow Yeah, when we talk about like the earlier examples of a lot of different things going horrible Uh, we often end up referencing Or a lot of people end up referencing uh mass effects one of the earlier ones of complete Other disappointments. I only remember hearing about it because I never played them Yeah Talking about how great mass effects ending is the third one specifically Yeah God I remember that because when I reached the ending it was about two or three a.m I played mass effect three for like 12 hours straight because I was having so much fun Yeah, it was really good all the payoffs and stuff with like tally and and the gaff and The corgans raks saying the shepherd would mean hero. Oh good stuff.    I didn't get all three I only got two to destroy and um and um and what was it control them and I did I um I only managed to save the geth So but I was like, oh, I'm destroying the reapers. It's like wait So does that mean like what does that mean for the the geth dead? And I remember I was like do I regret that choice? I'm like, I don't even understand that choice Like I don't even understand what's happened.  Did any of you guys understand that or is Like did I get did I get because all of the endings are the bad ending? Yeah, there's no good ending But well, yeah, because it's like all I don't I don't understand why these are our only choices.  Yeah, which means that the galaxy is doomed Yeah, you are stuck on your local system forever Yeah, there ain't enough resources on earth to support the population of earth let alone an entire fleet comprised of All the alien species in this universe I don't I just don't understand it and it's not just that aspect It's the whole it's like it takes out so much of the magic and thrill of the mass effect universe where It's almost like a a star trek star wars kind of You can go to all kinds of different crazy places and the galaxy is interconnected and all these races and species are doing All kinds of stuff and like that's gone now There's like all of that all the coolness of mass effect one when you're exploring this new world It's gone. It's done. It's all finished It's all for nothing. It's and it's never gonna happen again. Not only is it not not only is it gone. It's like never coming back Yeah, because they can't rebuild the relays like later on in that extended cut they're like, oh, we rebuilt them It's like no, you didn't no you didn't You did not Like it would take like everyone in the galaxy would have to Focus all of their attention on trying to come up with some kind of a thing And it would probably take hundreds of years.  That's kind of it You're stuck where you are It's just lack of resources.  It's not gonna work. That's gonna be war But he's systems with all the different aliens who live there Um, oh, yeah, the all the stuff that you did all the like and there will never be a chance for you to see Like they can't do a sequel where in the future you see the effects of all the stuff shepherd Well, because you can't go they're doing a mass effect four.  Well, yeah Well, shit, which honestly might just be the best thing to do is to just accept Liara what She's like the in the trailer you see liara and I think in the background you can see garrus Um, I'm not sure who the third person was so it's like a direct sequel I wouldn't I don't like that. I wouldn't I don't like the game is frozen on all three back ends I'm gonna have to play someone else. I'm so sorry guys Something uh-oh super monkey bowl was crashed again. Oh, no Yes, that's because you your favorite tool. I was that earlier I played them wanted to when they came out and I barely remember anything about them. So I tell you I'll play them again one day I don't know if ring was here I think someone asked a super chat about how in the extended or the enhanced What was it called the new ones that just came out the uh, the director's cut wasn't Anniversary edition the one that just came out of the three of them The it's like well the ones that just came out the remastered Someone asked should they have just redone the ending?  Just do it Redo the endings. No one likes them. They're terrible And Bioware needs all of the good publicity that they could get as a company right now Do it. I'm shocked. They didn't change the endings kind of that seems like an obvious thing to do This is our this is our excuse to change mass effects canon essentially And they didn't take it Yeah, exactly because nobody like the most you do is annoy people that you didn't stick to I guess your guns or whatever But that's the most annoyed people would get instead You could just do a nice safe easy ending that opens up possibilities and says no actually everything was all right Which I'll take at this point. I remember um emotional catharsis I remember when that came out I specifically remember it was Cole Moriotti back when he was at IGN That he did a video where he was like People shouldn't be telling them to change the ending because this was their vision and they achieved it and um, I remember even at the time I was like, I feel like On on its face that seems really Agreeable and I'm like, but why why why does everybody feel so compelled to ask them to change the ending? And I think the reason why was because it's I don't think this was their creative vision.  So you wonder was that just Was the game basically done and they had that new bioware team sort of finish it off So I I feel like there are a few explanations, right? So the the first one would be that they ran out of time Uh, they just didn't they weren't given the time that they needed to actually do it And so with all of the other content that they had to develop they weren't in a position to develop an ending that was totally fully, you know Realized or then the other one, which I think is the more prevailing but a little more conspiratorial one is that the ending was written that way so that they could uh be open-ended for dlc and sequels Um, because there was a little prompt at the end. I remember like oh Shepherd story is done but continue the journey through like downloadable content. Um I'm not sure about that one. I don't feel like that story is done Yeah, I don't feel like that's true because if you want to keep this universe as something That's still alive and thriving and open for new content. That is not the ending you give it. No Um, so I guess the third one would be that that was their vision. Um, in which case it was just not a good one Yeah, um I don't know it seems I mean that's possible and the part of me that doesn't believe that is the fact that So much of the like the games were all really super solid until the very end. It's like a new It's like a totally different team Did the end I don't think there was a different team. I don't think it was either I mean, I guess it could be and they didn't say anything or I but It that's what's so bizarre about it. Is that it blindsided everybody? I guess I just I can't imagine that that was the planned ending all along. Um, yeah I don't think that could have been anything was a lot more ambitious than what we got I could see it the other way around Reasons that could be wrong the mess fact three ending that we got wasn't the ending that they wanted and the original ending was leaked So they changed it apparently Oh, well, that's double stupid Um I remember I saw somebody because I was watching before jumped on asking about for a different episode two story I remember really liking it, but it has been a while and I also kind of just prefer like the the tone of the first game The first game has more of that rock star snark and cynical sort of nature that I I like where it's just, you know observations about the world and like, you know politics, socio You know Social issues and stuff like that. It's just it's neat. I really like I really like the dry cynical tone of a lot of rock star games And uh, I know two is like more conventional um In a certain sense, even though it still has a lot of the uh, the good writing though I wonder now With future rock star games because dan hauser who wrote all of the games Like who wrote all of the rock star games is gone. He's not there anymore Um, so I don't know. I'm not sure what that means for like great. They've got a six or anything It's like when you have a series that for 20 years has had a very distinct voice and then that voice leaves You've got to wonder Yeah Lord of the Rings, what are your worst fears for the upcoming amazon tv show and what is the best video game Is inspired by the franchise All the standard worries Uh, honestly, uh racial identity politics Uh, one of the greatest things about Lord of the Rings was that it was about how Your race doesn't matter in a sense You have to cooperate and work together to defeat a common threat to everybody That no matter how who you are what your race is, you know, you're you're great and amazing But you have to team up. You got to work together. Everyone's got to come together, you know Um, there was an aspect of coming to understand other people's And there was very much a great deal of you know, it being You know mean to other races is very bad. Um So I'm I'm worried that that message will get super diluted or just flat out undone Uh by You know, it's current modern day politics And also a lot of modern stuff now has a super big issue with like just having like just Morality like people don't understand just basic moral stuff Heroes do things that are super villainous Villains do things that are often totally understandable and reasonable and they're vilified for it So I'm worried that they might do that with This show do you ever wonder if that's like An issue of just not thinking it through enough because often when I'm trying to figure out a story thread And there's something to do with the protagonist. I keep thinking like is this this is like good. Is this like a Does this this makes sense for like the the the theme that you want to hit So I would you know fair enough went to soldier. Were they sitting there like Hmm Does she actually have good goals because that's the the thing that they keep saying in interviews and stuff All right. Carly's goals, you know, they were good. It's like were they That's because you you say the word unity and that's just good unity is just good flat out It's flat out good, which means no borders. No nations one people. Well, that's kind of oh, that's really good That's super unity, right? And that's really really great.  How do we get no borders and one people? That means you have to destroy countries and like literally you have to erase cultures. I thought that was bad That's why we do the dichotomies of um, like a certain movie tried to address Security versus freedom. We like security. We like freedom. Wait a minute.  God, that was that was basically what Assassin's Creed used to be about used to be chaos Well, not chaos like pure freedom versus pure control and like that both people think that they're right So maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. It's an eternal struggle There is no end because there will always be people who disagree on this one But no, there is an end There is an end and I think that I think I don't give you talking about more Yeah, and I'm I'm trying not to say anything, right? So everyone can get excited for Saturday, but um, I would argue That maybe a certain movie has two sides to it that have basically said full of it or none of it And then the movie is like one of you was right It's like wait. No, neither of them were right And that's yeah, I think rags is right That's gonna be a huge problem that we can have to look forward to um, and then of course the just the standard stuff They they have storylines that are built on major contrivances and holes We're gonna get loads of it.  I think the characters will be the worst part, uh, because character the plot in Lord of the Rings is totally fine Um, I wouldn't even I don't even know if I'd go and call it like a great plot I think it is But I but I think the characters are just like masterpiece level. There's so many levels um And but I wouldn't say what I said about plot a second ago. I don't think that's bad. I mean, I think that a good Tight solid plot is just excellent. Like it did just go for it. I have no issues whatsoever Uh, it's the characters that really really do the legwork and characters are like the worst thing these days that we see Characters are shit now. Well, it's what gave the emcee what success was this character work. That's what it was And it's just drawing it right now The characters are Breaking because of course DC didn't have that in their movies. No, I never had characters. They couldn't quite get that Well, I think that's right there it's gonna be full of Ludicrously and inexplicably strong female characters with no Reason or actual character too.  You're not gonna have a there are no There are no more aowyns everybody. You'll never get another aowyn because They just they people can't write characters anymore um You remember um In terminator two like when uh, when they first go to grab saracano from the mental institute and then like They jump into the elevator in the two one thousand start stabbing through Yeah, like just without saying anything. Saracano grabs the gun from uh, annie's annie's um, like Yeah, and starts firing it up and they don't make a big deal out of it.  This is saracano. This is what she'd do.  It's the whole thing of like I I didn't even I didn't even register that that was something that I was supposed to be thinking about Because this is a character She's just doing what characters do like I'm I'm drawn to uh, I think it's red light media's review of captain marvel where They they were talking about how bad the story is and uh, mike was saying he was expecting the arc to just be there's a guy Who's like Women can't be doing anything No, women are bad in the air force that he's like and then you know the big finale he's like Doing some kind of drag race with her and then she just wins and he and he said something like he gets shot Down or he's lying down.   Yeah, deny that Oh god return of the king like that that whole battle like how you know The the the ride and then when the elephants come in they just immediately reform the line It's like deep man. I'm surprised that those horses can carry those We'll probably like Do another watch through free fat movies of Lord the Rings as though if it was enough time passes just because they're just They're just movies.  I think a budget of 500 million dollars So it's gonna be hugely expensive. I'll make it good Well, yeah, I don't all right. That's the thing. It's like, oh, well, at least we know that it caught it'll look good We got that at least it'll look good um Are you sure about that fringy? No rewatch the scene when the jumps on the elevator Saracano grabs the gun and starts shooting at him. Wait, what are they saying are you sure about that fringy too?  They're all Announced their uh, they announced their ammo too because it matters. Yeah Yeah, it does matter.  What's up? I wasn't even really I wasn't even really referencing the oliphant thing at all Like that's not I guess like that's not even why I really like her But the reason you're not going to get awin anymore is because one of awin what makes her a great character Is that she is you know a woman in that time period in that setting and she wants to be a warrior and fight And she's clearly skilled and competent in it but Just because you want to fight doesn't mean that your place is on the battlefield Go to put your place And so you you have a duty to your family and your King in that setting and your kingdom And there's an aspect of I'm going to put the things I want to do on hold for now So I could do these other things that are important that do need to be done And then when the time comes where I really feel it's necessary I will pretend to be a soldier and I will go and fight and do that Um, I mean like there's it's not just I have to go all one way There's that balance of I have things I do need to do and there's things I want to do that also will help And maybe I shouldn't just fully commit to one of those things Maybe there's a time and place to do those things and It's more nuanced for sure. Yeah, it's a lot more nuanced. Whereas if you had that character now She wouldn't she wouldn't have gone to the glittering caves to Lead all of the people and to be there to protect them. No, yeah, you're right She she wouldn't be the person to You know watch over the the the children and the elderly and to put their safety ahead of hers in a non-combat role She wouldn't do she wouldn't do that. There would not be that that So ironic, I guess there's what we typically consider like a maternal aspect of you know, womanhood Is just that can't exist that it's so ironic that that scene is weakness now In a way when that's so ridiculous Um, there's no balance. There's no it's like the thing we're talking about earlier about the Templars and the assassins and You know hydra and captain america. Oh my god. I would say those two names, but uh, there's maybe there's some place in the middle Or where we don't have to go fully in one direction I think um, I wonder if it's anything to do with Oh, oh, oh, oh just just this just in Is t2 a movie where the plot doesn't work t1000 time travel, but it's still good because if they only show If only they showed the t1000 wearing living tissue and it oozed out So it's not a hole. It's not a problem at all.  That was never an issue Yeah, I don't know where they're getting that from and if anything if they if they really wanted to Criticize it the best you can do is contrivance, but um, I don't even think it's that It's it's literally science. Yeah Yeah, that that's not the issue that you would have you should have with terminator It's the there's other time travel stuff to talk about. Yes, but once you get over that initial hump You are super set for the rest of the movie There's a thing like the basic one of a terminator and I think this applies to all of them And then it gets worse the more they're that exist It's like so they could send someone back to make it so that they have strength in the future And all they did was send one soldier back to kill sarah carner at this point in time. It's like, hmm Feel like you guys have got about a million options This wasn't the greatest one and when you establish that they can send back anything they want as long as it's covered in skin Put a gun in a badger.  I'm sure of it But there is a flash and bone gun in that uh in that film Remember what film it was but I remember when I first saw I was like what the how does that work at all? It's like and it looks it's so stylish Help me out chat someone someone must know I remember which particular movie it was rags get more commander to play heroes of hammer watch Oh, that's a great roguelike. I would highly recommend heroes of hammer watch if you like roguelike games I have that game. I think I played it a long time ago.   And so the gist of the game is that you The first time around you're not going to be able to get all eight of them because of just It was indeed existence. I'll bring it up as soon as They're done. I'm Definitely there we are So there's um, yeah, see you so from what I understand the whole idea of the game is that you travel around You explore and learn stuff about each of the targets you need to take down and you Gain knowledge on the loop so that you can make changes in the world to get more people in the same location So that you can kill them But then of course if you die you have to start over again.  I guess as as great as great as prey was I don't think it was a commercial success. Neither was dishonor too, which makes me wonder about this one Like if this one doesn't do well. Well now it's microsoft.  You know what else?  Sorry, not hillhouse. Bly manner. So who knows what's gonna happen next Well, I think that's the That's the thing is like that's concerning because you look at what arc arcane Arcane are like the last ones left because iris montreal isn't like making these games anymore So arcane's the only one who are doing these like, you know first person Like sims, you know in a sense like that kind of deus ex thief Um, you know that that type of game or system shock, I guess as well like that type of thing They're like the last one So this game doesn't do well It's like well, are we gonna have any more of these games anymore because I really hope we do I like them a lot All of arcane stuff is great Well, I haven't played pray yet. I need to I need to I have good. I don't know. It's good. Wow remember I'm still bitter about pray too. I'm still really bitter about that I'm sure pray is great. It has a really cool art style like all of the arcane games do. Um I'm sure it's great. I I just really I really wish we got my space bounty hunter game really I wish we just one that'd be nice just one in in a decade would be swell No, I can't believe we haven't had any like because having had metroid prime 4 that's still not out yet um star wars 13 13 got cancelled Then you had pray too as well um, it's just I don't know That david kronenberg film with the the flash gun. It's it's called Existence and I believe they spell it as existence, but with a zed at the end and the zed is capitalized Existence It's it's it's like in the universe. I think it's like a brand. Oh But uh, yeah, they have a flash gun.  Which one is it? Oh, you mean that? Oh, sorry. I thought you meant like a pray to for arcane.  Yeah, the original one. Yeah, go ahead more Uh, this says frogo tell him how right you were smugly lull Hmm Bates coming out, you know coming out tailwrecks the battle and the prologue of dragon age origins where you defend What's his name? Ostar gar ostar gar against gar ostar gar Against the dark spawn forces the allied forces do it on the lowest level of the battleground instead of Barricading the castle ruins to lure their forces a bit By bit and don't commit an actual suicide against the dark spawn It wasn't supposed to be a suicide. What? Why why do you think any of that was supposed to be a suicide? It wasn't How was the plan? Let me double check and make sure I'm remembering ostar gar correctly. Uh Want want want You should understand before turning to the pain the cursed eyes. Yeah, I just realized Getting teleported out the room And the boss fights when you get damaged Not great. I don't know. Not good Um, oh, yeah, so ostar gar. Yeah, that was never supposed to be a suicide at all. None of that I don't even know where they're getting that idea. I don't I don't think that they're remembering that correctly um Because before then uh king calan, right He had defeated to two waves of darkspawn. I'm part of this is wiki a lot of this is memorization But he was saying he was even saying like the battle's going well We've we've already beaten to beaten two waves and he's getting really excited and duncan like told him to Like calm down. Don't get too overconfident Um But it was uh low gain Uh, his betrayal is what makes that whole plan not work. There's not there's nothing suicidal about it um Yeah, so Not sure where he's quite getting that. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I don't think I am I don't know But I guess I guess we'll see He didn't stay in the ruins and fortified them for assault the original planes No, the original plane was to draw the dark spa dark spawn into battle Which you have to have room like you can't fight in ruins Like you have you have to have open spaces to fight in Especially if it's an army versus an army at that scale And so the whole plan was they lure the darkspawn in Acting as a fight and then you uh, and then you had another team who was supposed to light a beacon That would let low gain and his men come in and flank the darkspawn and wipe them out Which would have probably worked But you had to go and light the beacon instead And when you do low gains like sound the retreat And then uh King kaolin and all the people get killed because the reinforcement that was supposed to come just flat out didn't and so they died and That sets up a lot of the plot for the rest of the game So all righty then What was I supposed to do let the gaff die? maybe Maybe I can't believe people I saw that fucking weirdo on twitter like defending that shit like It's randian, which I don't even think is that's no that's not Didn't the so someone in my notification said uh superman is So the son of god and the I don't know. There was some weird bible stuff. Um It's funny, by the way, uh, zaxxida was like By wick is like he's I think he had even came with a quote where he was just like what do you what do you say to right wingers who like love your movies for being um I guess representative of of the religious symbolism and stuff and he was just like whatever they draw out of it That's fine with me and I was just like, what are you? Surely it's on purpose like there's no way you're doing that by accident. Yeah, how yeah, there's it can't be by accident You can't accidentally have that kind of imagery Like there's no way Yeah, I don't believe it either.   How can you be that wrong? They assassinate like the two main characters Wait, let's say it again. He apparently chafferless thinks the toy story was better than one. It's like wow I don't even remember one and I know you're wrong four destroys one in a way Uh, not a good way horrible Yeah, four was frustrating to watch That was cane four was yeah, I wish four didn't exist So do I three if it was the end that's fine with me um I personally enjoy his old vids, but he ain't anything special.  I'm sure he's a legend. I'm sure he's not got a several of the takes that would infuriate us. That's fine Uh more since you like luigi's mansion so much. Do you have three a switch? No, you've asked me before. This is the only one I've played ah Have you ever thought about playing another one? um I wonder if The the reason I love this so much isn't simply the mechanics It's more so the The collection of it being so familiar Something I played the shit out of when I was younger the comfort of being accessible on dolphin The combo with it being like with hit and run and sunshine is my trio of Games I'm obsessed with apparently it it it evokes a simpler time So I don't know if it's really to do with the game rather than what it represents I guess because this is the thing hit and run and sunshine It's like I could be incredibly critical of them as video games, but like I don't care to be you know Yeah, no, I I totally understand that Um, I'm not even sure out of the three which one's most mechanically sound Probably luigi's mansion. It's not too complicated compared to the other two I'm not sure where I would land on that actually But the other two have lots of bugs While this one is one of those good old-fashioned Nintendo games that came out Like pretty much airtight I think the most part Despite being a launch game, which is interesting to think about Launch games don't tend to come out airtight Why do you never emulate other consoles the dolphin one just runs really well It's like I'm pretty sure it's one of the things it's known for it's like shockingly good Oh, yeah, a lot less stress and issues to get things going Which is also convenient for me because GameCube was The first proper big foray I had into video games. I was like this is fun Um now all three main endings for mass fact three, I think don't make sense The only one that does is let the next cycle deal with it, which is the only extended is only the extended cut I think Let the next cycle deal with it Which is weird considering at that position At that position, how do you just say just let the next beat like you still got to like solve the stuff Like the planet and the reapers and stuff Well, no, you just you're dead.   Hooray What a wonderful what what that is the obvious correct choice. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like tons of fun Question for fringy Why is every single ozzy such a chad you shad major kill legend of total war Hugh jackman, etc Is it because of the human eating spiders because of humans eating spiders? I guess that's what they're asking Uh, thanks for the compliment though Why didn't answer how your old shads that was the whole point of that question I said, I don't know but thanks for the compliment. That's terrible useless He just soaked up the compliment and abandoned the question. I would never do that. I could easily explain why welsh people are chads Do it Well, you see it's in our blood. We go back to gods Oh, okay. So now blood we we go back to the I don't know The sly people go way back Yeah, way back all 200 years. It's like the almost country in the world Wow, not really but uh, yeah, that's like Europe. It's like thousands of years old Uh, red ending destroys mess are Control at least works mass relays. No, they all destroy the mass relays At least in the the original cut of the ending they all destroy the relays I wouldn't know. So it doesn't even matter, you know We all came from gods. So what well, some of them were cooler than others. Okay Yeah, gods are definitely not created equal. No, they're not I must say molar. It's really frustrating that you haven't even played the mass effect trilogy. Why long man? Why it was made for you being long There's loads of stuff. I am played We jay hasn't seen lord the rings. Okay until we get that sorted out and nobody has to explain anything See, no, there's a clarification for the dragon age question earlier rags Uh, they didn't use the castles advantage point against the darkspawn instead of facing them 1v1 on an open battlefield The castle is not the best of shapes. I agree But putting all your forces in an open battlefield instead of setting strategic advantage points In the castle areas and spitting the darkspawn is Tarded they could have made a better plan to utilize the castle and it's high points against the darkspawn So the castle was it's more of a tower. I even think it's called the tower. Um, Let me the tower of the shall It's a tower so And it's also it's pretty far away from the battle itself You need a wide open space if you want to have that amount of people Fighting effectively you just need flat out space It's like battlefields are big and open especially, you know the olden days when you have big forces You just have to have space um The tower of the shall is just was it wouldn't be big enough and you wouldn't be able to Effectively wipe out The enemy if you don't have the room to do it and I don't think that it I don't think it had that kind of space I think there was the battlefield at the bottom Where you could have the two armies Meet and it would also have enough room for the reinforcements that were supposed to come in to you know Come in and make their charge and Do all that and also remember at this point Uh king kaolin was very confident about defeating the darkspawn in general because he'd already beaten them twice At this point and this was supposed to be the final like the final kill shot So they clearly had an amount of They clearly had a justifiable level of confidence in being able to defeat them in open battle and they the In the battlefield they chose a choke point as well correct They did choose a choke point on this battlefield. It was still a field But there were cliffs to the side by this field where they could Uh bring where they could where they would lure in the darkspawn So, I mean the plan seems pretty pretty good You know And it would have worked if uh That wasn't for the meddling low game Um, I never get consistent right back. I never get consistent notifications for streams sad face Anyways, could we get a hello to the unlisted gang every once in a while? Good day raggleton Good day. Hello. Yes. I think um, we began the resin evil one with that actually And that came out yesterday on on the list. So you guys got one there Uh, you know good old unlisted gang hanging out Also being chad born of god So did the darkspawn take under the tower of ish out? They did which is what your job was to sort of do you needed to go and light the beacon at the tower Uh, and when you go inside you I think you expect to find more friendly people there, but uh, they were killed by darkspawn who came up from like the tunnels and stuff I've got a traditional scottish beer Okay mech owens 11 Levi Synthesis is galaxy wide our word I'm assuming this is mass effect again I think so Well, no disagreements I guess Zach sniders justice league girl sniff sweater. Hmm bio is vision That was so bizarre I don't know what they'll see it. Yeah. I don't know what that was about. No, it's fine. Don't worry about it They just do that fine Kind of neat, you know, I'm sure Zach loved it I don't get it. Like I don't understand what the deal is Oh, no, right like was the was the point of Was the point of that scene to be Like the audience needs to think that she's a creepy weirdo Or I don't I have no idea. I don't know Maybe he thought like most see this is their little ritual or something. They love him. He's a god Yeah, I'm guessing that's the idea is to try and argue. He's a god to them.     I'm you know, I'm a small boy I'm from Kansas. I was raised in a small town and I'm uh, you know I know it's I know it's his vision.  Yeah, I think it's I think it would be way better as an idea to just have Your super, you know, just do it's basically the thing that are that are stanley always talked about right? It's just What you know, these people have like regular problems like they're just not This is really why spider-man people like him so much.   Yeah, don't do that. And you know what? Superman actual Superman would not like it either. Well, yeah Aquaman, I'm assuming wouldn't but this version of Aquaman. Yeah, we just have to assume. It's like, yeah He likes it when they do that Like Aquaman's hard to tell because like I'm pretty sure comics Aquaman is a bit highly strong That's like his thing. He's more he's not like Jason Momoa Aquaman is very different from regular Aquaman But even that one, I don't know. I doubt that he'd be because he's you know, in his own movie He's taken selfies with people. So that's that's the kind of guy he is.  Zack Snyder's most commonly used words in a script writing is and then Yeah, I think so. It's definitely an and then plot as opposed to a but therefore thing Yes, as a result of therefore considering Thus, no, it's just and then and then and then and then it's It's just funny how a show like South Park has stronger writing rules that are them like a lot of stuff Oh, yeah, everything needs to be a therefore or a but otherwise your story is pretty like boring The it's it's like a lot of these shows nowadays the the plot is like a Like a 10 year old describing a weird dream to you And then Luke Skywalker showed up and then we did the and then that's and then and this just has no logical sense of progression or anything things just happen And that's the plot the plot is just things happening Yeah, I mean that's because yeah, because things happening is not And I mean if in case it wasn't obvious to people the reason why but therefore is is so great is because it's just It's fundamentally cause and effect everything is related to something that has gone wrong or something that the character believes so the obvious one is like if you think about South Park episode, it's like Cartman Cartman shows off that he has an iPad, but it's a fake one therefore when he gets found out He needs to find a new iPad But when he arrives at the store his mom won't buy him like a regular iPad. She'll only buy him.  It's a it's a baby. Yeah cause and effect It's just that's that's the key if you if you know I feel like if you nail cause and effect you can't go wrong Like you just can't because you've got a really good base to work from At worst your story will be decent and at best your story will be like incredible So the thing that gets you to peak No, I've heard that logic is the enemy of emotion I don't know why I don't know what person begun that horrific lie that's spread around the globe, but uh To me, it's just the the the beautiful lie shitty writers tell themselves It's like it's okay It's okay because I have an idea and that's worth something I I am I am trying it's funny how it's child ideas Oh good, I was gonna say it's even worse than that for you. It's like I have a feeling and that's worth a lot Even though feelings are temperamental I can constantly everywhere all over the place Well, I mean that's the that's the thing is like feelings just pop up and disappear all the time Usually without a clear explanation That's a great example like The one time I replayed Resident Evil 4. I was like, I I don't like this I don't know why but I like this. I remember just being really good and I replayed it in other terms Like yeah, this is good. I don't know what I was thinking back then You could literally have like come home for a bad day at work Can you play a game for the first time and you're like this game isn't good? Yeah, you don't even know why but you that feeling that's what they encourage the people who are Let's say the people we often end up covering They'll be like you have to value that feeling that feeling is everything. It's like it's so important It's like it might not be actually Well, it's real awkward because I feel like it's a um because one of the things people talk about is like For a long time men were told not to express themselves or to show emotion. It's like so surely like What the right way to approach that is oh think about what you're feeling but think about it You know like think about it. Yeah, I think we went from doing express it all to express as much as possible It's like no once again the correct answer was somewhere in between Well, yeah Oh, it's it's not it's not that it's invalid to have a feeling but like It's worth thinking about why you haven't and whether there's a better way to uh to deal with it It's like good old-fashioned stoicism, right? It's not to not have to All right, right. I think about it control it. And like if someone Think you know highlighted a problem with um a storyline or whatever but there's just like a detail they'd missed Then they get told it and they've hated the movie for that reason for that long and then they're like oh now That's gone, but the feeling's still here. I guess I have to wait until that goes now We watch it, you know and the reverse can happen. Um, I think you brought it up for me And I don't think this is any kind of spoiler but like Not as fun to watch Winter Soldier now No No, no, I used to like it but uh And that happens But then there are things that like I I know are worse than they were before that I still really like And then of course there are things that I know are really great that didn't get me the first time And they probably never will because it's really hard to push a feeling to a positive Like if you have a negative feeling about a story, it's really hard If if it gets explained that it's amazing to push yourself up to a positive because it's just how you feel And I mean the reason why you feel something could be for any number of reasons that are completely Devoiced from the content they could be or they could just be that it's something that you know Like it would be it would be weird for me Like if somebody came up to me and said I don't really give a fuck about halo I I don't really I get nothing from its atmosphere or like the world or anything at all It's like oh, we'll see me personally this really appeals to me because I love space and like mystery and this epic scope Um, but it's like oh, but that's just me. This doesn't you know Like this is not this is not anything that I could use to make a point If I wanted to make a point about how good I thought those games were I'd have to go deeper Then isn't it really cool to be on this big ring Where there's this huge mystery and like a backstory to this race of aliens And you're just there, you know trying to survive us. It's like no you gotta do better than that Um, and you shouldn't feel bad for having to try and do better than that to to explain what you feel Because not everybody has the same preferences And not everybody has the same backstory as you that might be the actual fundamental problem with all of the communication between People analyzing stuff is the inability to properly explain why you felt something Yeah, because if you can explain it I can understand it But if you don't then I have nothing and I don't know the thing is if you don't even know why And you have to just clutch at anything that kind of makes sense And then you end up arguing something you don't even believe in and then that that thing gets proven invalid And then you just fucked because now it's like you staked your feelings on something that you didn't even feel it was that So you're just like I don't even know anymore. I still feel this way. I do I guess it's it is like I don't know it's I feel like it is It's it's funny because you see people like high top going around talking about how they've matured by dropping The idea of trying to have some sort of consistent standard to just how I feel as if that's more nuanced when in reality It's more it's less nuanced Everybody's feelings and that's okay. It's like, what is this? Why do we believe that this is like the way that this is you've improved at uh An analyzing media where anything can mean anything to anybody which we already know and that's the only thing that matters There is no craft. There is no skill that you can improve at There's nothing that differentiates any great work from another work Everything in a museum is of the same quality and has the same merits every film is of the same quality and the same merit Every video game every piece of music And yet they will always in their language give away that they don't actually believe that Because nobody actually believes this shit Just the newest example high top chastising people for critiquing anything to do with zack snider when it's his vision and it's like so He seems to be putting forward that a singular person's vision should trump anything else So it's like what about two people and I know he'd say yes to this If I said a team of people who work together all the time This is you know the rusos for example. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, what about three? And I'm sure you'd be like that's fine. Let me go. What about four? Until I get to a board room. That's where I'm going. I'm gonna get to 12 Yeah, of course And then I'm gonna be like what if 12 people consistently work together to make movies Is that is that invaluable compared to a single person's vision? And how do you justify that? At well, how how can you Video games are not one person's single vision Video games are incredibly collaborative.  Because it's like multiple people coming together to create something even the whole sniders vision thing The first thing yms said on our conversation about it. He was like so first. This isn't his vision No, you know, it's not it's not And it's like, yeah But well, he's right in the sense of the green lantern stuff but also in the sense that like if we're going really like baseline here, it's like There is no movie that's one person's vision fully.   You really do It's arrogant.  Yeah, and they do this a lot. They'll just be like No, I don't subscribe to any rules at all But this this thing I just said though, that's true when you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa that like changes everything One is way less Qualifiable than anything that any of us are trying to say. Yeah, that's the interesting part. It's just like, oh You know consistent Consistency within a writing that's like that's that's really it everything else You know play it by your nuts or like, you know, figure it out work from there go Yeah, do whatever you want just make sure it's consistent And then it's like no see it's right what makes you know, you got to get the feelings But and you know three-act structure you really should be doing that and don't have passive characters That's that's bad people won't like that. Also make sure that you stick to genre Locations Your inciting event needs to do this because your main character must go on this kind of journey They must change by the end. All right. Here's a real example from uh Filmento, right? It's like if you have a threat your characters have to deal with it's better to have them be partially responsible for it Which is just absurd. I don't even like what is the logic is How does that make any sense? Yeah, so they haven't be partially responsible for it bad things happen to people That's not their fault in real life. I might have believed that if you did like a biopic On a story that wasn't I would just be stuck all the way back at like prove it What what could possibly be the logic at all? Where do we even start? Couldn't you just say Filmento's comment Yeah, like that it's better that if your story is there's a catalyst for the story that it should be Pause at least partially if not fully by the characters Oh, yeah, like yeah, you said that in the underwater video. Yeah, and what if yeah What if I said if you have a threat you need your characters to deal with it's better that they're not responsible for it So that you can feel more comfortable morally with them having to deal with it since it's not their fault What if I just said that And he might agree with that because he might do he'll forget what he said before His rules are not rules. They're more like temporary guidelines that fluctuate based on question mark question mark question mark Profit, it's just there are a lot of story There are a lot of things that happen in real life and some stories are meant to sort of almost imitate life There are a lot of time, but just In fact, that's often a hallmark of a tragedy Is that the victim is innocent that what happened to them is not their fault that they weren't the cause of it They are simply a someone who was caught up in something beyond their control That's what makes it tragic if they were responsible for it Like if if you if someone does something bad therefore something bad happens to them That's the opposite of a tragedy. That's just like justice. That's you getting what you deserve or that's you I mean, that's often that's like hubris You know, yeah, yeah stuff like that. There's all kinds of things you can do with it. But yeah, like I don't know why you would say that that like just makes for inherently potent storytelling when When you know like it depends on what your objective is as a writer for that story as well Like what are you going for as a as a like a point or a theme? You don't it doesn't necessarily need to be He says a lot of stuff in that video. He said a lot of stuff and all the stuff We've covered from him or I'm just like my god one question like destroys all of this It'd be so cool to just see his reaction I don't know if he's even thought about it or if he would just fold and be like, yeah Yeah, you know, you might think it works better the other way.  It doesn't matter I think that's a reality where you would have to go Yeah, if nothing is better than anything else if you want to if we want to take that I think that's an aspect of postmodernism when it comes to art Is that all art is like inherently equal like none of it is better than anything else It's so interpretive and man that there's you know what like I don't know if people when they go to like a museum and they see this incredibly detailed baroque painting That took like five years to make and then just I think that's it Baroque, yeah What do you think was pronounced broke? Oh, uh, well, I was curious. It might just be yeah Yeah, it's probably just a regional thing.  It's just red And then it's like, oh, you know what these are of equal value guys What what does it make you I got so black piled on that that trip to the art gallery like that Oh, yeah, I feel moment for me Yeah, like seriously if you haven't if no one's been to an art gallery if no one's really It doesn't have to be a famous big art gallery because there's There's a lot of people who you'll never know the names of who have incredible artistic talent Go to a go to a local gallery and just look at the stuff people can make And then look at someone who draws a red square Oh god Actually, you know what I think my black pill moment came earlier because I remember my brother did an art thing Uh, because he was he was doing art briefly and he he was doing a painting and he did his painting It looked nice especially considering how young he was at the time Um, and it was really cool and he put it up for an award He he won awards for woodwork.  This isn't fair. Well, yeah, that's how I felt it wasn't fair.  I could do that. It probably shouldn't be in an art gallery Yeah, well, you sell yourself short, right? You're the best on gothic fun The promise it's like it's it's I'm pretty sure it wasn't a gay pride flag either though as a kid I don't I recognize that flag. I don't think it was but but the ultimate thing that is is um You know, there is uh This is not to undermine like abstract art and stuff I think you can do some really cool stuff where it's like not Conventional, you know, so like baroque is trying to be more conventional It's more like dynamic lighting and stuff and really being bold But it's trying to mirror reality in some way But you can have like your abstract pieces kind of like the stuff that van go did some of the stuff Picasso didn't it's like this is this is really cool And you can you can pull something from it because you can see in that work That there is an underlying like meaning or intent behind it you can see the uh The skill on display the talent and the hard work um And so so it's not like it's not like there is it's not like um baroque or hyper realistic paintings are Intrinsically better than uh than any other piece of work I just wonder sometimes when I see like a red canvas Like I saw at that art gallery just a big red canvas on display and they're asking us what it It it felt like or what it meant to us. I don't I have no idea I mean it sounds at least you described like how this doesn't function pragmatically like this idea that everything's the same It's like nobody operates this way nobody does nobody operates that way unless they force to like again going to an art gallery Showing me a red canvas and asking me how I feel about it.  It's just a red what Yeah, and and that's the thing is this is I look at and it ends You know, someone might be like, oh, well, you're just under developed as a person Right like you you should be able to notice the underlying meaning behind this stuff Because because it would be you know, oh, so you can understand this baroque painting or like this realistic one because it mirrors real life So like it's it's it's a lot easier to tell what that is. It's like that's true But abstract art can evoke a feeling That um is underlying that you can at least pull from what you see in front of you But if it's like a red canvas I got no idea what i'm supposed to be thinking about because there's nothing in the piece to make me think about anything I was gonna say this is how it almost translates to what we do with when we're looking at other people's work with In relation to movies, right? So if someone said to you in that in that room like, oh, yeah, no, I can explain it. So Uh, will war one there was a lot of and you go, whoa What do you like? What do you what do you mean? Well, well one you go? No, no, no, just let me explain and you go, okay You like so with the amount of lives lost and the amount of land that was sprayed in blood from all of all of the Decimation that we experienced This painting is supposed to represent like no matter how you look at the war. It was an absolute defeat for the entire world And you're like, I don't But it's just I don't Right. Where was I meant to derive war from that and you're like, what do you get? I was thinking I was thinking of a nosebleed like what are you talking about? So what I was gonna bring up was like so that's the two results, right? If they say on one hand, this is what they brought someone else goes Wait, I didn't see that at all I saw and then explained the whole other thing It's just like for fuck's sake, you guys are all bringing your own baggage Like none of this comes from the painting.  Like I mean starry nights the the the one that everybody goes for, right? I don't think that's abstract. No, I guess it's not it's um, it's it's something else Impressionist Is that is that? I should know better. I did art history Um, I did too, but I a lot of it just never didn't take because I never ended up doings with it I'm not sure. Yeah, I think I think I think it probably is impressionist right because abstract is is even harder to grasp on Well, basically it's it's abstract if it doesn't seek to imitate external reality Right. Oh, it's real. Maybe. Yeah, it could be uh Let me double check because this is stuff that I just haven't Oh impressionist is lovely. Um That would be uh Generally, I think the go-to impressionist painting is I have to look up the name Uh baldu moulon de la galette I'll just post a picture of it because it's a it's that is like one of the go-to impressionist Yeah, um It doesn't look like a real thing, but you can well it doesn't look realistic, but you can grasp a real um You can grasp something real from that It's uh, it's it's like the value of the work comes from the the way in which it is presented to you Like the techniques that we use to render People or the sky or the or the water and I think it's just the whole thing of like um Yeah, it's like the technique then yeah It's more the technique than the subject matter though That was part of it, but it was mostly the technique of impression has this very big thing is um These evoke a mood like starry night evokes a mood It really does just give you something in terms of like a moody atmosphere There's plenty to work with on starry night Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.   Um It's it's it's it's it's frustrating. That's that's all Like I said, I'm pretty sure we have identical stories on on this one and the um the more down to earth art teacher I had was giggling as my teacher said you're supposed to look at it and draw your own meaning from it Because it was just a red splat on the wall Well, I think it's the common thing right where people say I could do that Whereas if you look at van Gogh, it's like, oh, no, the average person could not do this There is a there is a uh, a real skill here or you know, Picasso as well The average person could not do that. Well, hence why we try to separate craft from art as well because I'm not I'm not here to validate whether something is art. I don't think that's a Yeah, like it's creative. Yeah, it's a lot Van Gogh was I think van Gogh was a poster compressionist That's what a lot of people are saying Yeah, let me uh, oh, you know what that's the movie that you guys should watch willam to foe. Uh, yeah movie willam to foe so Willam to foe. Yeah, so van Gogh according to wikipedia as a post impressionist Um, there was a movie that van Gogh Uh, that was about van Gogh that had um Willam to foe and I remember watching it a couple of years ago vitamin No, no, that's right reg sets vitamin already The bad guy was not Vincent bad guy. It's at eternity skate. Yes. That's the one. Yeah, that's the one. It's a good movie. Um Yeah, vitamin far from defo He really does look like he really does look like van Gogh He does look like van Gogh. Yeah, matt mass mickelson is in it in oscar isaac Oscar isaac is in it. Yeah, I don't know. He was as old as that Uh a couple years. I think we should we should probably maybe it's pretty good I will I will happily rewatch it with you guys. Yeah 79 tomato meter 64 audiences. So who knows Maybe it's good. There's just not enough explosions in it. It's really it's quite a slow-paced movie Oh, yeah, I am it would be weird if the van Gogh movie was action-packed Just opens with a car chase that was like why though he's painting in the back as bullets are going off Of course van Gogh is kind of a bit of a tragic story. Oh, yeah, he's tragic. Yeah, he was unrecognized for his talent while he was alive And that's actually a doctor who episode I would recommend from uh There's a lot of people know about it. They they go and meet him and uh, they take him forward in time to see a gallery Looks like dedicated to him There's a particular scene that a lot of people will share the guy who plays him is a Relatively famous actor. It's really really good Reminds me of um Once upon a time in hollywood is that was what it's called right? It's just like an alt history thing that makes us all very happy to see even though it didn't happen.  So So once upon a time in hollywood is a different movie. I think with brad pit. It's like, yes Audi r2 story is super overrated What do you think for you? Red Dead Redemption 2 story is overrated. Yeah Um, I mean, it's it's it's rated so incredibly well But I think you could say that it's overrated But I don't I guess the problem is when you say overrated it's like so it's not good It's like well, I think it's really good. Uh, but everybody thinks what is red dead redemption 2 story It's incredibly highly rated Uh, so in that sense you could say it's overrated, but I still think it's good. Um, I still think it's pretty good Fair enough. Yeah, I don't know.  Uh, hi, will Ethan find the anti light equation and say it's dark I think so Light equation. Also, I can't wait to see you watch tenet where protagonist finds the anti time equation I Listen, okay, we're gonna we're gonna get to it at some point one day And I'm sure it's like I'm almost saying it's gonna be really bad at this point It's gonna be uh, Nolan at his best and what I mean is at his worst The the noliniest tell the difference if we're gonna be clear Nolan does nolan things Got any my k no eyes are on the wrong side.  I can't remember what he says Remember enjoying Uh, did you have that warm hole eye before me plea?  Maybe Pretty good. Hmm Now speaking of morality, do you think the lack of clear cut morality reflects the current state of west and civilizations being an entropy? I don't think it's a problem of not being clear cut. It's just they're almost the reverse clear cut. They're clear cut, but wrong They're not yeah, they're all or they're confused. It's like it's like they don't even know they they don't even So sorry, hold on. Can you read the question again? um Well, I mean I will just just like so because I don't think that our problem with any of them is the Um, they're confused. I think they know what they're doing. They're just really really Borked. They've not thought about it at all. I guess I don't know if that counts as confused Kind of in a way it's close enough. I would say um The problem with bad writing is that you don't know if it's intentional or not Which leads to confusion. Well, I was gonna say like seems to be what was advocated for in that comment It's like well They're saying what the state of the world is is something I would have actually preferred if they didn't have an answer Like if they said, um, I don't know We're not sure and we have characters advocating for extreme positions But both of them have clearly negative side effects or something I was like I way prefer that than what they usually end up doing Which is just this person was absolutely right by the way. It's like but they were evil I am totally yeah. I am totally happy with a mixed answer. We actually don't know this is complicated I way prefer that and then giving me an answer that it's just utterly wrong Yeah, I don't know so I don't know if that equates all because what was what was the full question again So he said speaking of morality. Do you think the lack of clear-cut morally? Morality reflects the current state of western civilization being an entropy It I I don't think it's an entropy Yeah, I was about to say like if this is entropy.  I don't know our current cycle is we are at a point where we have to Fight back against what I think is a combination of corporatism and authoritarianism Um, and I think that things will be okay. I'm certainly not okay. Yeah. I think things will be a okay We have but humanities Never had really this issue before like this and we have to get over it And it might take a little while. Fuck. Yeah, it's a new hurdle Um, especially technology. There's going to be a lot of changes like this century is going to be pretty eventful I think yeah, I don't think they're yet in terms of how eventful it's going to get once ai and stuff and Crypto, do you know and all these things start becoming more relevant? Well, it's going to be a very different place by the end of the century assuming we're not all dead Which I don't think we will be I think we'll make it to clarify though. I think we'll be all right I think they would be confused if only anyone asked them some questions But the writers themselves feel they are moral paragons like they know exactly what's correct And you always got to be careful when you're writing a story You need to hardcore scrutinize whatever point you think you're trying to make because you put yourself in there basically Yes, but I know what's right No, I mean like they So I don't even know that they've realized that the writers of falcon the winter soldier told us a lot about what they think Right, which is that It is oh your goals are okay. If you want to uh Basically destroy the concept of nations Which is not something that I think anybody really agrees with in full. I remember this is a new look at kill monger And we're not Yeah, we're not getting a we're not getting a lot of almost all the media that we get especially on this scale It's not what we would call politically diverse Which is why I think we can get the sense of it's You know, it's coming from You know that that hollywood lefty I think it's an echo chamber. Yeah, it is an echo chamber You you don't have healthy discussions in media about a lot of this stuff, especially when it comes to politics and that's That's what you need. Um, you needed somebody in that room to be like Well, no, can we can we talk about can we let steel even if you did even if you disagree with um Even if you ultimately agree with carly, you know for whatever reason that is you need to steel man the the other side Like you really should be trying to still man the opposition here. You're not allowed to have Diverging viewpoints. You're not even allowed to discuss it or entertain it. Like which is absurd You're just Superman again to man of steel like that. No one even battered and I was like wait He does what to all the unborn things Same for wonder by the way, and I was gonna say like I think it's really indicative the sad state of affairs when we're all pretty much passed like we're all like Yeah, james woods won't be in a hercules remake and and someone I think an alien could be like why and it's like Oh, well He's not a lefty.  They're gonna ruin her. They're gonna ruin meg.  She's fundamentally a good person And it's it's great and that's not what we're gonna get this time around. I have baby You know I need someone really helpful for me to get to this planet.  It's like, hello.  No, haha funny. It's like it wasn't funny if you're killing them I it would be really cool if we got like actual right-leaning content You know like that would be interesting We could have both and then we could see what you know, what would what would this story be? But the people who made it could actually Display their right-leaning viewpoints. It'd be cool if we got some actual liberal content I mean, I guess what I would Prefer as a general rule is that nobody it's not that I would prefer one or the other It's that I would prefer that people feel comfortable with the idea that they can um write a story and express the perspective that they have and be able to do that um in a feasible way like And and then of course be open to scrutiny in the same way that the content that's out right now is open to scrutiny, right?  There's lots of christian like your channels and movies Yeah, they're all they're all little things and they're all yeah, no, no, there's not like yeah. Yeah, I get you Yes, um, well, I guess the thing is though is that um, one of the things that it seems like though is that it's really hollow What's happening right now where it's um, it's almost like you've got the board of these companies like all right, so um Tanki stuff is kind of you know, that's kind of a movement right now But we still got a you know appeal to this base So how do we like walk the line of having the politics but also not to make money? You know like I imagine that though there are those conversations where it's like how exactly do we best to make money? By offending the least amount of people possible.      It's like nope What a flim What a flam What a flam Whoa Rags ever considered playing the kotol games I think kotol 2's characters and story really shows how good stalls can be check out doth nihilus I've heard good stuff about kotor, but I just don't have any interest in playing them But I mean, but that's the old-school buy-away stuff. So I'm totally down and believing that it's actually quite good. I'll just take you at your word on that Um, no disrespect to kotol, but doth nihilus is very close to a very edgy name Just off nihilus. Yeah. Oh, it's a little bit Hit number four blowing his head off I repent Oh, yeah, do it in case it works, right? I remember that that was like the the thing for me at school.  You want to talk to the dm. You don't like these rules Yeah I don't want to play anymore The Bible reuse nihilus and massive again. Yeah, he was the first uh specter that you meet on eaten prime. Yeah Uh, that actually happened in islamic warrent text de faro after being drowned in the red sea after it was Only said I believe now The sith or all edgelords was like, yes. Yes. Didn't happen to me though No, they don't they could be really really neat and how they constructed. I teach he had was wrong I agree. She was wrong Yeah Is t2 a movie with oh wait, I actually read that one out ahead of time didn't I Idiot, raga.  So That's kind of You know, that's all right. Yeah Ragu if you could be in a 40k faction, what would it be? No space marines though. Enjoy spooky house game. I will Oh, okay. I don't know the towel. I guess Any particular reason Oh, I guess that makes sense in that universe that there'd be, you know A faction like that because they're all I guess they're often called like the space communists or whatever And they're all about they're they're all I mean, they're all they're all collectivists But they're they're they're a they're a whole thing because I have a very very light knowledge and understanding of 40k But they're supposed to be like everything you do everything for the greater good And you know in and so they're like I seem like I could like like it's functional You know, it's not too absurd like the orcs and the tirnids and stuff and the dark Evil space elf necron things that seem kind of absurd which is part of the setting. Sure, but I could actually See like existing as a towel Like that seems like something that I could actually do But the space That's that's a little scary Yeah, but I mean everyone's scary.  However, everyone's bad. So you're like, yeah I just like the idea of space. That's really funny. Just the word space communist Well, I've always liked putting space before any anything just makes it funny space space bolsheviks and space proletariat Space libertarians space capitalists Fringy, have you heard about necromunda hired gun? I hope it's good. Looks cool so far I I can't say that I have heard of that. No Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. I don't know that either So where am I gonna apparently someone mentioned in my chat before I remember that Please watch stupid red poop Please Please watch invincible It's got a really major floor and I want to see you guys rip into it since everyone's praising it Oh, that's oh boy. It's already the tide is already turning on invincible. Oh, well, all it'll be is another super chat I've been like, no, that's not actually a flaw because I know what they're talking about or something like that Um, it's just funny that we're at that point people like please watch it because you guys will love it And please watch it when he goes to shred it Yeah, I heard everything. Yeah guys. I thought we were trying to move away from validation. It's not about that. Okay You stop it Uh to fringy a lot of strong nihilists That keep saying nihilists nihilists. Sorry. They keep saying life is no meaning Therefore, let's become hedonists killing machines that inflict suffering on other people because it doesn't matter in the end Well, so that's the interesting part, right of like trying to figure out because uh, I think that's one of the things right Like if you're an atheist, it's really hard to get over that whole thing of like, oh, so this is meaningless, right? This was just this is just this just happened because it did and so I don't agree. That's I don't agree It's hard to get over but oh So, well, so I it is a lot of people Yeah, for a lot of people it is hard to get over that I agree where there is a way to get over it. Um, because I would amend that I would agree Only to the sense of they think that it will be hard to get over that because they're still clinging on to their religion I don't I don't I don't think that it actually is but there's the fear that it is because they've been told that way Um, yeah, I I get what you mean because I but but that's the thing, right? I think for people life, it's it's it's it's hard to get over that because I think for I think it's just the human brain needs meanings that like it we just really struggle. I think it's a grapple with uh, not knowing and Finding a way to sort of get past it But I think the easy part is like a categorization issue, right?  That was a jump. Would you have to get there? Right. That's right because it's because I think what they say it was like that nihilism then and then it's just hedonism and it's like That's one way to do it is to just be like try to get as many laughs as you can out of out of life And then and then die without any regard for the effect because it's all meaningless But I think that just means you're a psycho Well, yeah, right. So it's it's not I don't and I'm not even sure that like humans deal well with doing that Just because of the way that we got here that like we for whatever reason Um, we yeah evolution has instilled in us that we are a very social species. Yeah, and then we care about Yeah, it's very very advantageous problem solvers. We figure things out So we're trying to figure out this whole this whole thing out.  That's that that's within your power That's your you have the capacity to choose and it could always be like absurdism or Stoicism or or what was it? There was another one as well. That's like, all right. Um, epicureanism Oh, well, I mean that's that's uh Epic isn't epic. Fuck. I get mixed up sometimes. I mean like the idea of um the things that you can what is it? Let me let me pull it up I need the definitions because there was uh there was um Because it's a epicureanism is basically Heedinism, but let's calm down and be reasonable. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Um So I think there was um I remember we looked at oh, yeah, there's existentialism nihilism and absurdism Existentialism is that uh the belief that through a combination of awareness free will and personal responsibility One can construct their own meaning within a world that intrinsically has none of its own That's pretty good. I think that's one that you can work with Um nihilism means it's pointless to even try and figure out another substitute absurdism is the the belief that the search for meaning is inherently in conflict with the actual lack of meaning But the one should uh both accept this and simultaneously rebel against to find bracing what life has to offer So they're really positive ways to pull something out of um Out of the idea of that there is no broader meaning that shouldn't be That shouldn't be a devastating blow to to to be like Oh, yeah, there was no meaning to like the human race or like existence as a whole On a cosmic scale there because it probably isn't Um, but you can always find meaning in the life that you you know yourself, right?  Angel has to deal with this stuff. Yes, that's right um And if you know and if it find it so uh read meditations by Marcus railies. Yes. It's like my favorite book ever It's pretty close.  Like comes a philosophy metal. Uh frozen fetus Just kind of oh, hey, it's maybe I'm a big fan of one fish two fish red fish blue fish. I mean, you know good I know you're talking about bell.   There's nothing that we do matters that all that matters is what we do He just thumbs up to the camera Mario getting deep on us Would you rather come from Yahweh or Thor? I'd have to know more about Thor Yeah, yeah, I'd have to check all the law for both. I don't know Thor seems a bit more chad You do kind of feel cool coming from Thor don't you just like oh, that's pretty cool though Yeah, Yahweh's just sort of a prick. So I'm pretty sure Thor's probably a prick as well, but you know, he probably is but at least he's They're probably just more honest about it At rags and remember the Darkspawn can come from underground. So this argument with the tower of Ishal is ludicrous They do come from the ground they can but they also like a mass Above ground as well That's the point of the big massive battle because if they go into the tunnels and stuff like you can't Use your big armies to kill them Um I'm all right I find it endlessly cool that the voice of the og Optimus Prime did the noises for the predator in the original film That is awesome Um also high rags great work on the crash video Oh, thanks It was really tough to play that game that much and try and get perfect triple s rating on all the levels Yeah, I'm sure all of the yeah finding all the collectibles like the game's fine as it is But when you try to push it to that level, oh jeez it just breaks down Would not recommend you push yourself too hard It was hell for you. I wouldn't know. Yeah. Yeah, I would not recommend You wouldn't know but I just I'm glad I envy the fact that you don't know what it's like That must that must be really nice to not have the memories God, I was I was so close to breaking the control on a few occasions I I'm kind of regret not recording some of the the cries of anguish that uh wings of fringy I I know them because fringy and moller and I we'd be in calls as he was playing and we'd hear this random And then He's doing his game research. He's being a gamer.  Oh you missed two crades tough. Shit try again And there were there at the beginning of the stage and buy some steps You like the girl and get in queen's gambit. We you see the game on the ceiling I think remember when we saw that scene it was like, oh no Yeah, we were really disappointed. We were we wanted I shouldn't talk about it.  He'd be like, okay. Okay. Okay. It's fine Well, yeah, to be fair, we only watched episode ones Well episode one wasn't good. So no, I I know. Um Yeah, maybe it gets better when you watch the other episodes Yeah, maybe I think when we first set it on whatever would have streamed some people like it gets better by like episode five or something We were like, oh my god. That's like the show's a little over Now help me out here. How exactly does it go to get buff? Can he how can he lift weights? Oh, oh Oh, no, never mind. Oh, no, we see he can lift weights. Mm-hmm. I think a ghost Well, maybe it's you were buff when you died Maybe yeah, so I guess the question becomes why is he maintaining it? And it's like, yeah, you can lose your buffness in ghost form too at least confirmed in this If you turn into a ghost when you die all the more reason to keep yourself fit and healthy Yeah, well that that just encourages you to die in your prime.  How come I'm old and ah what remember? Um On the the the re-release it was like Hayden christensen came back and it's like wait, wait, wait. No It doesn't make sense I think that the idea that was like that was when he was lost Anakin. It's like, well, no, it wasn't He was adequate of the uh Again, if he was forced ghost you'd just be half of veta's suit Well, the helmet and he just looks terrible and horrible Yep, this is me So I have a question because i'm not up on the discourse in terms of like the remastered and stuff the redos re-releases So is it controversial to like the idea that boba fett's voice sounds like jango? I don't think so. I think people are okay with that because I like that I think that makes sense and I think that's one of those nifty changes Certainly helps continuity. He is a 100 clone like yeah, so he sounds like yeah, so I was like, okay That would make sense. I suppose if someone was to say well, I always like the original voice And I don't like the new voice so that would be their argument, but um I'd be like, okay. I guess I think switching that is cool If anything that's a um that brings up I don't even know if I want to bring up this conversation because it could take us a while but like the idea of um You know, we're very cool with updating games especially to fix shit And since we're heading there sort of with movies where we can own less of them And they're more like streaming services and stuff.  Yeah I'm fine with that With the asterisk at the end of that statement being like as long as they keep it relegated to Like fixing actual like meta errors for instance Because once you start changing the content itself, I feel like it could Like that's where it's starting. That's where it's starting. Even then i'm not necessarily against it depends on what the change is For me, I think and I and it's interesting because I think this applies It doesn't even apply to games and it's such a weird sort of thought in terms of why is the difference with the mediums and I would like to try and figure it out definitively, but um I think I want the initial version always available from the moment it was released and then there's a constantly updating one Yeah, I think so. I think that's a good healthy, you know, I kind of like wow classic versus Yeah, well because the um the really scary thing is I don't know Ridley scott's like, you know alien I need to update alien. It's broken in a couple places. Like please don't touch it old man Yeah, then I don't know if you just said it because I was reading something like Depends who does the changes I guess that's another thing. Perfect world. I think the fear of it I would be super keen on it. Yeah, like if you're only ever used in the ways that Most people would agree. I like this is really beneficial. Then I think we'd all be fine with it But I think we all worry it would be used to destroy things Yeah, I think we could oh, what if you know in the future? They're like, you know what? I fundamentally disagree with the message that was in this film. I want to change it for the modern audience exactly Yeah Yeah That's the thing like in theory. I'm okay with it Yeah, so I was gonna say my conclusion is uh, I think it would be really neat And it could work to benefit a lot of things but no because I don't trust you Yeah, and again ministry of truth somebody just said in chat What if the government starts getting involved in this like the government can can start patching movies To uh, yeah, and they're a gender at the time And if we look back, you know decades and decades like what if when you create something it is It is what it is. It's a snapshot of when that you know things are things can truly are they are products of their time Everything from jaws to dual to smoky in the bandit and all that sort of thing those are Part of what makes those interesting to watch as decades roll by is that they were not made and updated They are from a different time Well, and we've got examples already of the the the realistic worry Which is that say for example stars is bought by a company like disney and then there's this one scene That's a little bit controversial with something happening and they go, you know what I don't think I like that scene from that 1978 movie or nine movies. Sorry, we're gonna we're gonna drop that scene It's just like no you mean like to do it already for china.  Where are we gonna end like what's gonna happen?  Are you okay?  How many times do you have to explain this to people that never start big Slippery slope argument.  Okay Yeah in 2013 remember our dead space three microtransactions.  I suppose it's time to bring out the quintessential example Who shot first? Yeah and You know, so the more I think about this the more I don't want it. Yeah imagine so So not not even like so imagine think it. Well, you know, what what were we talking about earlier on? art We were talking about Impressionist art and baroque art and all that sort of stuff and I'm thinking I cannot imagine Ever What I'm quote updating those to fix their mistakes I was thinking The rolling stones have a song called gimme shelter fucking great song and there is a point in that song Where the the the singer I don't know is I don't know the names of these, you know people But the the vocalist the singer for that song his voice cracks In the song and when his voice cracks when he's trying to hit one of those really high notes Yeah, one of the other band members makes a noise they go like whoo it becomes As a result of him cracking his voice and it's part of the song, you know And that that's it gives it a lot of character and that's that's an interesting thing about the song that that happened While they were recording it and they just they fucking rolled with it and they made it and that's the quote-of-quote official You know version of the song and it has that quote-unquote error in it Um, I couldn't imagine. I'm changing that or even considering that like fixing the song um I Well, the more I think about it the more I really don't and even when it gets to gain bugs I'm like even like that's the most palatable example, but even a part of me is like Well, maybe the bug man, you know, maybe some bugs are that's part of halo 2 That's just a part of that game I mean, I'm like, yeah, like I look at res evil 4 that I love and there are some bugs in that and you're like There's some part of the bugs that make the experience what it is And of course I wouldn't say that you know if the bugs weren't there then you know the fact that you know The experience is what the experience is But I mean, I I I guess the more I think about it the more I just kind of want you to leave things alone This is the thing I think the monkey wrench is video games And it might just be because it's been the norm for so long that we're not too worried about that changing Um, well look at cyberpunk and you're like Oh, is it should we keep it the way it is like fuck no And if someone was like so it's a threshold then it goes from broken to like at some point It's charming and then it's broken. I'd be like I don't think that's good enough like I just think it's a matter of we're so used to it with games And it's not really happening a way with we don't have do we have a like who shot first for video games? Well, I think there is Well, I think video games. I'm sure there is are the only one of Well video games are the only one of these mediums. That's interactive. I look at a painting. I watch a movie I listen to music, but when it comes to video games, I have to do the thing And if there's a bug that gets in the way of me doing the thing That's different Well, it's undeniably different. It's just how much I think I think it is that video games can be broken Can I don't think I think it is very hard for people to accept that a film could be broke And and this a video game can be broken in a way that no other piece of content really can be like it could just not function So you could have a bug that just makes the game not work whereas you're actually you're hard Yeah, you're hard locked out of the game like you actually can't play it Yeah, there's not going to be an issue with a book where it's like Oh, I now can't read the rest of the content in the book or like the movie You're gonna have a dvd that breaks, but that's not the film. You can still yeah You can still read a shitty book and you could still watch a crappy movie But you can't play a game that is like broken to the core where you can get hard locked out of the ending Or or the game freezes and there's never playable again or like and so it becomes So so there is like a clear demand to fix those issues, but with like a movie It's like well, no this is content that we dislike not. Yeah, it's it doesn't function And if you look at it as a product when you buy a video game like like all products when you buy it you expect it to work Yes And pointing to a video game not working is a lot more objective and clear cut than saying that movie doesn't work Unless it just doesn't turn on or something like you're not guaranteed Yeah, like when you go to see a movie you can't say well I just I thought I'd like it more or I thought the story would make more sense Like that would you you can't get refunds doing that. I think you can in some places. Um, maybe Especially but that's more of a that's more of a just we just want to keep you happy So you'll come back the next time. Well, yeah, it applies to all products Disatisfaction, especially if you're making enough noise Um, well, so I was gonna say scenario then like um something like no man's sky Where um, they keep updating it to the point where everyone's very happy, but they keep let's say Whatever storyline was in that game. It's obviously different for what it is now So this applies to more than just bug fixing The games I think we apply this Quite liberally in terms of like if if someone goes, oh, you know We just mentioned released and then a year later they released an update that gave it a few extra Rooms in the mansion more ghosts and a story chapter that wasn't there before To make things make more sense as well as fixing what bugs were in there I still don't think that we would be complaining Like we would be with movies getting it. So I really do think like games They just it's just been something about them. Well, it's just been the way that it's always been as soon as they were able to update them in real time It seems that we Maybe it just has to do with the fact that games were on the forefront of that ability to even update because it's entirely Like a digital thing And so it's like games were immediately able to do that whereas with movies and stuff it took time to catch up So I remember when they first like started putting movies on steam I remember being like what like how does that fucking uh, it's like well, why wouldn't it work that way? They were easier to stream than games are Yeah Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I didn't mean to open that can of weeks. That's a long that's a big Real complex. I'm not sure if there's a clear cut answer to this one heavily Imagine someone imagine this night a cut was the way it was on release and then there's just some guy Who's chipping away at it after two years it becomes the the the weed and cut Just keeps getting updated until it eventually becomes that Some would say that's a mockery others would say. Oh, you know what a little bit better Oh, well, maybe it's also just video games that eat. Well, I was about to say video games are easier to amend But um, like once they're out because someone can just dive into the code and start changing it Where's like with a movie? I guess you need to reshoot scenes or recut scenes Oh, well, obviously the examples I was giving were ones that were done in a moment as soon as they were aware of the starbucks cup They just cut it out with like one technician probably just did an airbrush Yeah and Which I find super interesting but we all because when it happened I was just like holy shit That's something they just did. Is there a conversation to be had here? Like we just edited the tv show. Starbucks exists in westeros. It's confirmed That wasn't what I meant. I just meant like we just we just delved into an active piece of like streaming tv content and changed it Now, I know it's small But we still did that and then I was thinking like Um, you know lord the rings kind of did it with the the car in the background I think the extended editions don't have it because they got rid of it Yeah, I think it was only the it was only the theatrical I don't think it ever made it into any cds or dvds. Yeah, and so I felt like that's a different distinction There's a different almost releases While You know you're watching that game of thrones episode you pause and then you go to sleep because like I got got a show Danny tomorrow and then you have a power cut and you reboot it up and you're like, oh, yeah, look at this It's gone.  I don't know it's interesting It is interesting to talk about but we don't talk about anything interesting on e-fap because we just don't understand themes or character Or heart or soul or anything. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Whatever To parrot a point from discord why logic as opposed to any other objective standard? I appeal to the fact that logical stories reflect reality Uh, look at how you define story. You should be able to derive it immediately out of that Yeah, a story is a an account of a series of events. So that their requirements to have that be a thing Yeah, like, um, why is you know, why is a fork not a knife? Like well because of the universal law of non-contradiction and excluded middle I think can't be something it isn't it has to be what it is just basic basic stuff And um, and I find that um, we all appeal to this standard whether or not like like literally all of us because It's there's no other way to do it with story. Like so if you're gonna compliment a story It's incredibly rare that you won't appeal to something in reference to something else in the story And that's the the fact that it connects where it pays off is why you're praising it um At least when regarding the writing something you react to it. I mean the I mean you're All the stuff even if it's you have to like Like you have to see things you have to react to the things that you see and the things that you hear and the experience Like there's all the reason for that stuff and if you don't have like there are prerequisites for what a story You know is And those are just the foundational aspects of that that we kind of use Something that kind of like solidified it for me was the that initial talker just right a guy who's like Hyper experience of reading all kinds of storytelling literature looks down completely on me and wolf. He's like gosh you guys you're cute with your little objective so cute um but like uh His video of tlj at the time It praised tlj for nailing loads of connective pieces and then you expose how one of them isn't a connected piece He's highlighting it as one, but it isn't one and his response is just silence It's like oh Is that it is that all we got it's like yeah, so whatever value you were drawing out of that is built on like a hollow ground It's it's there's nothing there and so how do you account for that and you just don't and it's like oh Well, I would like to separate out the ones that do and the ones that don't Or the scenes that do and the scenes that don't the lines that do the lines that don't Yeah, if it goes back to the post modernist art, you know the sort of thing if it's all equally valuable If you know one piece of content or media or art or anything is just as good as anything else why try Like it's all good And you know Appealing to it until it doesn't work for you.  We're on the same wavelength until it doesn't work for you now We're on a different one. It's like I was valuing this whether or not it made sense Okay And at that point kind of just makes shit up Yeah, and at that point it just evolves into absurdity and there's no point to any of it And like there's a reason why you can so there are some things that Can't be measured in a in an objective sense when we get into movies But if you can make a compelling case for it and you could justify reasonably why you think the way you do like even that has Aspects of you know, we could see reasons and there's through lines there and we can discuss it and It's it's a conversation starter Yeah, it's so useful to build on to instead of nothing at all Like we often advocate like whether or not you completely agree with everything that we say Surely this is when we make arguments based on references That's way more useful than nah, it's all meaningless Or rather, it's all meaningful and all meaningless. It's all anything anybody wants And if all of your feelings are equally valid regardless of whether or not They come or they are derived from a thing that's true or accurate then You don't even you don't have to think hard To imagine the insane implication that has to not just the what's going to happen to the craft But the way that you live your life because no one lives their life like that But when they're faced with it, that's when their brain has to Make amends. That's when you have to pay the proverbial piper in your mind and come to terms with That aspect of you know yourself And it also means you can be you know, some things can be more correct than others Even if you don't want to even if you're arguing with someone who wants to appeal the absolute truth Like some things can be more correct than other things You know, it's probably the one of the there's lots of most convincing parts of this But another one is probably the we're aware of the other ones like the other ways of doing it We think they're really shit We have like really good reason I think for it Then a lot of people like who do it the way that they do You know, we'll claim they're aware of let's call it our way Um, but then when asked like very simple questions You can see what happens in real time. I think twimper is one of the best examples Yeah, and we've there have been people whose videos we've seen But we have not covered.  Uh, he thought that, um He thought that we think objectively good means Popular a lot of people have said that And then I'm like, how would how have you ever I I I don't even know how you can get that idea We have the knee-jick response to objectively bad is I'm pretty sure someone liked it. It's like wait, what? Why would that even be Sure, why would that even be a counter that you'd think is Who are you? Who are you? um Oh, wow, I was not paying attention.   He's a bad person Was it a company with people defending low cane?   So come on. Do you really not see where this can go? Again, it