you might like it through and see snake because it looks glorious Okay, okay, I'm I'm judging it. Okay shadows aside Shadows boost that brightness. It looks gorgeous clips. I've seen of your video where I'm because I've not actually watched it I'm just like judging this on the clips of your video. Oh, I'm There's a few shots in in the episode that are absolutely gorgeous and I would have posters of them made if I could Just casually. Oh, that's a fake city in the background. It doesn't really Like it's there Would you consider cinematography as visuals? Yes Dependent. Well, I just ask what you mean by visuals. I guess that is like anything you can see it's like well, I guess Yes, then again, if you're talking about cinematography usually talk about composition, right? Yeah, no, I think it's interesting to sort of see how you would separate or combine the terms or subset them, I guess Because we value different things So he brought up that was a because he brought up the everything is subjective arguments Like they hate that argument, but I think you're coming out from a big cut.  I have to take him down again Look where you paused it. Jesus.  Is it does it only exist to say nothing is this? It's like it's a fantasy word. It isn't a real Sciences, well, yeah, it's like if you actually think that literally everything is subjective then objectivity refers to a fantasy concept Well, there are plenty of words that do that It's usually you talk about like fiction Yeah, it Concept like if J said is this thing to refer to that you talk about look if someone says more door It's like of course that's referring to something. That's not actually real Think of an edgy thing to say as a joke like oh that thing's Like even even like a Hello YouTube sensors. I am speaking in a hypothetical if the holocaust not happen worth. Yeah. Yes We're talking about the Then if that if that did not happen then it would still be possible for it to happen So that's not the same thing not necessarily Why no, I wouldn't be possible. So if objectivity is not possible It's like we don't know necessarily if it would be possible You can kill a lot of people that you can commit a genocide that's that's possible. Oh, that's different than the holocaust Holocaust isn't just a holocaust though. That's that's a word that means a thing, right? It's just like a genocide I'd want you to know that a bit more Just another word for genocide That kind of refers to when people use that they specifically are referring to like the Jewish one in the 40s. Yeah, that's right That's the most famous one, but yeah, that's why wait wait That's why when everyone's you're saying you wouldn't be able to commit a genocide in the 40s now because we're no longer in the 40s No, no, no, I'm saying I'm saying that you don't you it's a little philosophical It's like when people say that it's possible God exists and they have we don't know if that's even possible Oh See what I'm getting at Couldn't you say that it is still possible that God exists though? I Wouldn't say that because I don't know you don't know if it's possible Correct. Yeah, so I'm saying yeah, you don't know when people assert that it's possible is like they like how how have you determined that? You don't well, it's possible within the realms of what you know You know, no, no, no, no, no, right. Okay. So it's okay. So say you've got a box, right? And like you don't know what's in that box So someone asks you is it possible that you know, there's a finger in that box as far as you're concerned Yeah, that's possible, but you don't know sure, but I would say that I got is it's generally defined as Complicated in that rags of probably say that we've got precedent like we know that it's very possible for a finger to be chopped Space and time and what fingers are in box and does God break the universal rules We currently have it's like in a way I suppose yeah, but asserting that it is definitely possible that an entity like God could exist is something that All right define your terms All right, God if you want if you want to define God as an omnipotent. Oh, we're just right there Omnipotent, I don't think that a it is possible to be an omnipotent entity because that is logically So omnipotent is like objective all knowing I forget which one's it mean that's omniscient omniscient is Powerful is it yes can do everything and What would you be will be the way you'd explain that? That's like paradoxical can God create a rock so heavy. He can't lift it right right right, but But that's not paradoxical. Oh, yes, it is you can't be omnipotent So yeah, if he's got the ability to create Everything to maximum then he should how can you like it can he create something that he has to say That's just equivalent to saying like oh the statement is a lie. That doesn't make sense Therefore, yeah, but on one hand he can lift it. It relies to action Yeah, oh so just to explain on one hand He is powerful enough to lift it and therefore he could not actually create something. He couldn't lift But he could make himself he could if he's omnipotent he could remove that power to lift the thing But then he wouldn't have the power to make the rock. No because he could return that power to himself So okay, so what all you're doing is you're just kicking the can down there by saying that once he removes his power Then he wouldn't be powerful enough to make a rock so that he couldn't lift it shut up The whole It just started off as he's saying that People when people assert things are possible Don't just buy it Because that argument happens with the theism debates omnipotence is a great example to use That's why a lot of modern apologetics is maximum. I find that really interesting Define anything for that because it's like if you can make like just literally Decide that matter is anything like, you know, you can make any decision and it just happens, you know Well matter isn't anything we we can like if we have definitions of matter and But you can just you can just decide something and it happens. That's how it works, right? I would omnipotent even though like technically you can't Microwave a burrito so hot that you can't eat it Yeah, so that's yeah, it's yeah, the whole point of omnipotence is that it breaks down as being logically Well, yeah, that's how you define being able to do anything. That's omnipotence. That's the word omnipotence. Can you do that? That's what it means. Yeah, but it depends how you define anything. So can you do something me? That's the omni and omnipotence. If you can do anything Can you can you do something that means that you can't think you can't lot you can't do everything? Because Yes, that's the boulder analogy You can't do both you can't have both of those properties You can't both have the property of being able to create something so heavy You can't lift it and also being strong enough that you can lift it Exactly. Yeah, but that's like dichotomous things. That's why it's like the go-to example Yeah, but when you're defining something is like you're the only reason they can't do that is because you're defining Within the realms of something they can't do which is nothing So it's essentially can you create something more powerful than literally power? No Say it one more time. I don't say it one more time. Okay. So if you if look, okay So if you literally have all power like you control literally everything in every aspect Then it is impossible for something to be more powerful No, it's not it's not a relative statement being more powerful than something else doesn't have anything to do with I'm with this No, but if you okay So if you create a rock so heavy that you can't lift it despite the fact that you are omnipotent No, we're gonna have to stop there We have to stop at that sentence because that doesn't make any logical sense. I forgot what I said Well, if if you say that if you are omnipotent and you create a rock so heavy You can't lift it is like well it stops there because that sentence is Yeah, it's not a valid sentence. That's why people use that's essentially saying that as example you can't create something You can't create something that is so powerful that it literally goes beyond literally infinite power Yeah, you can't do that. You it's like it's like saying infinite doesn't exist because there's nothing like more than infinite Well, and infinite's more conceptual. It's it's it is it is considered. It's conceptual It's impossible like yeah, so happen in real life, but conceptually. Yeah, that's that's omnipotence Like and I'm on it as a concept It can't actually be a property that exists because it it's logically contrary. Yeah, and so we actually Yeah, yeah, that's why modern apologetics Well, this is not something they would have thought of because they are happy to say he can do everything he wants He's super powerful. It's just done done and dust. Oh, yeah Well, I was when I was a Christian and people asked that question We treated it like a joke and we stopped thinking about it like there was there was never any actual exploration into that concept And I think I love his listening to by the way because it just it just breaks down That's why modern apologetic says he can do everything that is logically possible to be done So God cannot create a married bachelor is another example because it's not logically possible He is as he is as powerful as any agent can possibly be is what they change the meanings of those words to make it possible Well words are words don't have meanings. They have shared understandings. So that wouldn't matter anyway Quiet don't go Are we talk? Oh, don't we have a hello greedy? Oh greedy? No, no, I'll agree to fat man. No, we're done Oh, yeah, that's right. We went on a tangent So I assumed we were It can go beyond Greedo, I was pouring myself another drink. Sorry. I've been enjoying this. What are you all drinking? I am drinking tea. I'm sweet and ice-cold. I thought you said you Did I'm not a tea purist. I actually don't care if you drink iced tea. It's okay. Oh Alcohol, did you drink rags? I had a delicious reds apple ale? I have a mics right now. I can't really get into the head. I'm drinking by these What's the last part of what you said? Yes? Oh, I just said it's too early in the day to be drinking too much of the heavy stuff right now So I'm just have a mic No such thing. Yeah, I don't yeah, this stuff isn't heavy.  Yeah, absolutely I totally agree with you. Oh, yeah, like I don't drink liquor really I've got I'm very very very Particular about the liquor I drink same thing with wine. I just if it tastes bad.  I have a lot of liquor but people know that already. I like rum because to me It's like the least offensive of the alcohol, especially when you mix it with something How can you how can you think that about rum like? Strongest tastes you can well that well, that's why I said I like it.  Well, it mixes really well is what I'm it does. It does suck. He's pretty easy drinking Because it's like rum vodka sort of mixed I forgot the name of a fruit. Jay. What's that fruit that's like an orange, but it's not called an orange It's like a big one. I grant it. No Great fruit a bingo Yeah, it's like it is like a big orange. It's nothing like a grape Um, you could say it's kind of like it's kind of like a grape. Yeah, you could say it's a strange grape How is it like a grape? It's it's they're both they're both eukaryotes for starters. They're both great You know, they're both plants. They have juice in them How is it like a great? How is it like a great more so than other fruits specifically I didn't say more I didn't say more. So I was straw man.  Jay. Is e-fap 51 the e-fap that will tear this family apart I think it is stay tuned next week for e-fap 52 to see if Jay ever shows his face around here again And to think it was all because of passion fruit and letters we had grapes Is everyone ready for me to some kind of gay Is everybody for me to have more like gaylies? I want to make sure we actually get through a little bit Just in case rags is unable to hear the rest of it. It would be some more fun. That's fair. Oh, yeah We can take a look like they hate that argument. Oh video, right? Because it's That's not an argument. I would I'd say he's been too charitable There's quantitative statements and there's qualitative statements a quantitative statement would be stop Well, he's not necessarily saying that's what he means yet a qualitative statement is um of something that is not numerical So it's like it is this or it is that a qualitative statement is something that you can define a value So it's you know, it's 3.59 out of you say did you say a positive statement? A qualitative statement. Oh, okay Hang on.  It can So well, but I assumed his point wasn't going to be that I assume wait. Wait a second. Hold up. Um, can't all isn't all data That because that it's data like by definition.  Just just Yeah I've already had a bit to drink though. So it's not fair. Uh, what okay, so I don't know if that I did this is purely from How I was taught it in psychology because I I didn't ever learn it in any other context but in psychology qualitative is um Like a b or c, you know multiple joints answers, you know There are only a certain number of answers that can be given to this How do you translate that to like let's just say judging a rock in some way? All right. So qualitative would be um Fuck kind of think of a single qualitative thing Like would it be it has to reach a certain amount of mass to be considered x I might be able to save you because that's that's a that's a quantity. Okay. So, um, if it if it's literally, you know If it is a longer spectrum or um So you you can assign a value to it and you can go infinitesimally smaller than that Yeah, no, it's really Quantitative data can be counted measured and expressed using numbers Qualitative data is descriptive and conceptual Yes All right, let's continue with the video. Okay Thing going back to ruby and got an objective problem The fact that aura is described in different ways that don't That are mutually exclusive That is a quantitative statement You can say that like in volume two or was passive in volume Four or five on word. It's active. That's a quantitative statement. And if you think that's a problem Then that's a qualitative statement. Okay. We have to ignore that guy just said. Yeah Yeah, uh, he started He started off strong, but then he's like no bad example So if we translate this to media, which i'm not even sure that we should be doing I imagine theo is desperate to be able to put us back on track with this because he probably knows more about this But just for the particular terms, I mean Well, I okay. We can we can bring theo it and just give me a sec. I just wanted to say that like so want uh quantitative That's the word. Yeah Like um, that's one of them the amount Of plot holes there are and the degree to which they affect progress. These are things that like can be Assessed not I wouldn't I don't know if I go as far as saying numerically, but we can actually identify ones and zeros to a degree Well, I think you could count the plot holes Quantitatively the degree would be qualitatively Yeah, so no the degrees value the degree like five out of ten. That's a value. So like when we say something like in the sense of like, um An example would be how much more if there's not a specific amount, but you know that it's more Well, what I was going to reference is like so, you know, like let's just say a shoe is in the background It turns upside down between shots Like so that's pretty much on the lowest end of the fucking Scale it doesn't matter in any way shape or form But then you have the stuff that literally allowing the biggest payoff to happen involves massive plot holes to be ignored Like those are at the top of the scale Again, I'm not trying to say that we have some kind of written document to explain how to categorize these things But we do tend to operate as if that is the case and we have a shared understanding of the difference most Reasonable people do accept that the shoe that turned around is not as severe as captain marvel destroying everything in endgame The shoe that's under it I'm making that up The idea is that you nobody out there says well, no those two Yeah, that's another one like Nobody's arguing that um the starbucks cup is as serious an issue as denarius murdering thousands of innocent children Yeah So the implication being that there is a system by which we're scaling them Too fair. I'm sure there is the one person Barring those Yeah, right. Yeah, there will be the one guy who's like no the shoe.  I don't know I mean, I would say that the key to getting their foot in the door is to just acknowledge they exist Right Um, because you find a lot of critics will say that they'll say that uh, you can say objectively that things are things Um, that's a plot hole. It's a plot hole. Like there's no Like no, it's a subjectively a plot hole or something like that. I don't know how far these guys go The example of saying like let's say that in the force awakens They say that po blew up star killer base and then they said in the next movie po did not blow up star killer base And these were both authoritative like narrative sources saying that Well, I can say the same the same person saying it Well, we you have an example of that, right? Yeah, yeah people can say two contradictory things But them saying it isn't the plot hole Right. Well, you could have an explanation of that Right. No, then They could they could believe each they could also believe it and still they could be brainwashed The idea is that if with all the information you have at hand That there's the example being the Finn is shocked that they chase them through hyperspace and he's like that's impossible And then the next scene he's like, oh shit, we can destroy the breaker for the hyperdrive because I know I used to work there It's like, um These pieces of information seem to contradict each other Finn is just dumb Well, this is the thing you could actually you could direct on it You have to stretch it to its most absurd degree to try and say that's not a plot Well, and we have examples of that when we say hux should have shot the radars We have people saying yeah, but hux is is an idiot hux is raging Hux you have to make emotional arguments because it doesn't make sense This is the fanatical star wars disney universe, right? And that's yeah, that's a thing I've seen that now. It was funny. Anyway, let's Let these people continue The statement and if you think that's a problem Then that's a qualitative statement. That's a quality. That's a qualitative statement based on a quantitative fact um now for like but that's still something you value for someone who doesn't care about retcons You can value it that doesn't mean that it's subjective just because you value it The fact that you value it subjective If anything the value is the standard that you're using And as long as you're being consistent with that standard it can be used pretty much identically to objectivity I feel like the conversation is going to get even more muddled by throwing in the qualitative and quantitative In with subject of object and value. I wouldn't worry about it. Yeah, they don't mean the things that he thinks they mean was the thing we've got So you have five people in this column and three people in their conversation and this many key terms all going around without clear definitions It's like this is just a recipe for not understanding each other I think it was better now than it wasn't going to Is that okay, that might be that might be the debate you two need to have because it might be the argument of Well, you care about you or him care about different things in that regard But I don't sort of but that's not really what the argument's never been about me caring about it because I didn't I didn't care about the plot holes in endgame when I was watching it I've used the different arguments for this before I'm I'm just as flawed as anyone is when it comes to not noticing that I didn't notice a lot of what was wrong with TLJ my first time around I noticed the big stuff the big the first thing I wanted to talk to people about was hold those plan I was like this is like it was glaring to me and simultaneously It's the one that just right said is be most people won't notice and I was always just like You won't notice the whole film Several people people just won't notice the film An objective standpoint Uh, because objective no it's based on fact if I believe no it doesn't mean based on fact Okay, hold on hold on hold on hold on Well, I guess it depends on how you would he thinks the last gen I was gonna say it's complicated The main qualifier is just irrelevant of how you feel or personal bias Yeah, not relying on opinion is all it is to be fair. It's almost impossible to say something irrelevant of personal bias Why no two plus two is four No, just why J explain Because everything you you are like biased by nature in everything that you'd say You may think that something is objective, but in everything you've learned and everything that's gonna, you know, everything's Okay, so for example, there is a mouse on my desk mouse meaning a pc The referral. Yeah, so so what about that statement was subjective?  I can say that bias is absolutely color a great deal of Basically, all that we think about that agreed to which they do and our ability to remove bias through the use of independent verification Though can solve this issue very very and you'll find it happens all the time you'll have biases Can create literal false memories.  I didn't think he was that bad and you eventually like the person makes so many arguments Soon you eventually realize like oh, I just hate Justin Timberlake. Fuck Okay, I've seen this about um Spider-verse people saying it was bad because it was an sjw movie because Miles is a black replacement for a white character Right This is the yeah, we're not a fan of that We can be frustrated with that I don't care about no bullshit's arguments And yeah, this is the thing like identifying your biases is great Not him his comment section finding out like things you have issues with Can really help with with how you'll absorb stuff in future because you'll be like oh, I have to Keep an eye on myself for like I really have an issue with this person I don't even know why or this piece of media or this this place or this object this these you know It just happened But then race when you get down to really simple statements like the one I just gave you like I don't know I am currently in a house It's like what's the bias there and you'd have to start arguing really philosophical stuff like your concept of what a house is It's subjective.  Yeah Yeah, he spent 11 hours talking about it. He must think it's bad um Okay Uh purely I could talk about things. I love for 11 hours. Yeah, that yeah, I don't follow that logic I get what you're trying I can try and stop me from talking about Buffy if you've watched it yourself. I'll ask you like every question under the sun Active inarguable fact Uh that one shot in that movie was in focus, right? And being in focus is a good thing Therefore the movie is good. Oh my god. No Very interesting since I've mainly talked about writing but okay Yeah, if anything that's just a quality statement about a certain segment of the movie It's the same nitpick argument. Oh, he doesn't like the red light there for the movie's bad If he's I think he's trying to present me a problem without my own logic But I just be like but if you accept my own logic Then you would have to agree that I'm segmenting it And almost grading the portions and so if visuals come up with an a but writing comes over than f That doesn't equalize to an a Well, that's that's why instantly all of us were like, uh, no Well, yeah, we're all frustrated.  I'm pretty um also The series has like sexual assault apologetics in it without like really realizing it Um, and then people go, oh, you're nitpicking and I'm like why and they're like, well, I don't care about those things and like That's another word I would ask someone to identify and what I found more commonly there But nitpick means invalid criticism. It's like what's why do we have a word for that? It valid They don't care about Well, then you just ask them. All right. What word would you like to use to define valid criticisms that are relatively very small or potentially very minor Because if we can't use nitpick, what would you like to use as a substitute? Yeah, I don't want to concede nitpick ground to to automatically invalid.  Oh, yeah, of course. It's the same with opinion, right?  They just don't they just don't think about this stuff They just kind of accept it and it's not something that is brought up in typical converse say like tell people color doesn't exist And they'll be like, what the fuck?  He's judging my twitter personality. That's what he said Well, no, he can't watch him because he described earlier on twitter that your longness is like an inherent defense mechanism essentially I'm picturing like a david attenborough documentary now.  David Attenborough Yeah, like narrating about how it uses length The mauler uses its own length to Defend itself against potential predators. Here we see Natural mauler in its environment Praying upon the subjective creatures of the world You see Right, it's timed. I've made a complete. I've made an objective when the new star was released. It is time to feed Argument for why the movie is good That's a fair argument. No, there there was no argument than that There was not an argument in that so movie good because shot was in focus The fact that it was in focus is good And yes, that's that's subjective essentially. Yes, if we use clarity As a as our as a standard or as a qualitative measurement And he's like, all right using that as this as the measurement as is using using clarity as the desired result We can then measure the quality of That aforementioned, you know fuzziness that blurriness If that if if that's how you want to define it. Yeah He argued that's a fair argument But it is Supplementary information that is based upon but what what what does he value with supplementary? Why don't you watch the shit? You would know if you watched exactly it's very straightforward So what are visuals doing? It's like well, they're representing Uh, the things that are in the story. It's like, okay. What's the sound doing? It's like giving sound to the things in the story is like, uh-huh. What are the actors doing?  It's like oh, so the film can't be bad if has all of those nailed right like, um I suppose depending on exactly how we would break down what it is to be a film a good film bad film whatever, but um If I'm specifically talking about the writing which I have been trying to be specific about in future from now on So there's no confusion Um, I think the most important thing about a story is the writing rather than the jangly keys. That's just IMO So so hopefully that that clears that up. I don't know Besides this is a plenty of arguments to be made about the um the acting the sequel trilogy It's not like Mark Hamill's doing when we consider a lot of people consider Daisy Ridley to be terrible um Milo Ren is like one note to degree Got hold of which was frustrating. There's a there's a lot of like conversation and then um Glib as well as other people would like to argue that the film is actually poorly shot slash Poor cinematography so you'd have to hear out those arguments too and then repurposing music Is it something we should celebrate when they literally just repeat music from the older films? Like I don't know All of these are very interesting conversations, wouldn't you agree? No Okay, I want to talk about minecraft high fighters. No He's he's making he's saying these are the factual Yeah, okay. All right. All right. Yeah, save it for your debates. I honestly think it'd be be more interesting No, okay. The reason I don't want to debate him is because he is setting the terms of What it means to be right You can set Terms all you want if you want to define words the way you want What do you say I had to step up? He said that um, the reason he doesn't want to debate me is because I will Set the terms on what it means to be right What All right, let's roll it back for him. He set the terms on what it means to be right Okay, the reason I don't want to debate him is because he is setting the terms of what it means to be right Yeah, that's called a debate the I was gonna say that's not even outside of That's like all debates. The other person wants to set the terms on what's correct If if I make it a claim about what it would mean to be the winner of the debate and he disagreed with it Then we would have to work on that first. That's fine.  Then let's just talk I was but this is bizarre. This feels like the most squirmiest way to be like, I don't want to debate.  He's like quintan reviews where he's like rags and mola think their opinions are objective and everyone else is subjective It's like, did you even listen to anything we say? No, no acting like he said so. It feels like they deliberately ignore us and just assume what we're saying Come on work a little bit harder The objective opinion is his one and he is going in so that anyone trying to argue against him Is automatically wrong. Not even true. There's plenty of people have debated or exceeded points If you believe that you are right, then anyone going against you Is going to be wrong automatically based on that assumption that because that's why we think what we do because we think it's right And the alternatives are wrong. The hugely controversial debate that we all enter a debate if we're right If you believe one position in a dichotomy, then you believe that the people who believe the other position are wrong That's how that works. Yes. That's the unspoken Yes, it's ah At the beginning of every debate if you were to ask both participants, do you think that your perspective is the correct one? And they said no, I'd be like Well, then why are you even here? What's the point? automatically wrong He's like my my opinion I he uses the term like the robot correct like if a robot reviewed this You only mentioned that like how many times have you actually talked about the robot once with the just right and every single time We've talked about it since it's been correcting people because they for some reason people like fat man falling I'm gonna guess right now. He's gonna assume. So we'll just go over it quickly So I believe in the just right debate He was talking about how you can't make objective statements as a human because you're a human And then I was like so let's just theoretically invent a robot incapable of making biased statements Um, because it's it's just mechanical and it only runs on the the basis of judging things as logical errors Um, yes because objectivity exists outside minds being able to come Because like the premise being that I can identify a logical error But I only consider it a problem from a subjective bias or something And it's like well, what would it mean to be lacking a subjective bias?   You're biased You you feel these are problems when they're not problems or something You should be like no, I'm just I'm just doing what the the the program ran I've got no I got no investment here based off of the criteria that you've given me. That's all I'm doing And I was trying to argue that we can do that we can we can operate like that Uh, similarly to how I said, you know mouse on my desk. There's nothing there that There's no process that required feeling. Um, so we can be the because we're all conduits, right? I've been trying to bring that word in as well as attempt to maybe bridge the gap of some people We can only do what we can do Like we try our best So if we all watch the film a film the five of us then you fast forward one week And then we're all supposed to describe how the film went down in detail from start to finish All five of us are gonna have different accounts That's just this we're doing the best we can but we're human we we we are flawed We're gonna remember things wrong Then you have a sixth guy who has access to the file And is told that the more accurate he is the more money he gets something then yeah He's probably just gonna play it Uh hear a line pause read the line play it and he's probably gonna have the best results And so I try and advocate That to get the best work when analyzing media is to basically not only redraft your own work several times But to if it's a movie rewatch it several times watch what it's a part of as a series Look into other people's perspectives to really see if you've missed anything Because sometimes you can watch a film seven times and still miss something important That rant over yeah We all do the best we can some of us This is another thing I get caught up on that people hated.  It's like Okay So if we're to accept that there is ability the critical analysis is a skill and it's something you can learn and become better at Then is it controversial to say that someone could be better at it than someone else? Like oh, yeah, just it's it's super simple or some people better film Better film analysis than others is like you would have to be insane to say no everyone is equally good at analyzing Well, they would because everything subjective when it comes to that, right? Well, if anything that just Oh, then that's like cutting off their nose just by their face Because that the values every single thing that they do True They would probably say that we're all just as valuable everybody's saying anything about a movie is just as valuable It would be hard to explain then why it is that some people are more popular than others Is it literally just based on the way they look? or something else Yeah, that that would be insane It's that's almost so insane I'd have to stop and think about it and be like wow How do you even tackle something so insane that literally everybody has the exact same quality Of that in the quality's analysis It's a sad reality, right? That because Theo just mentioned in chat Like what right do I have to critique a subject if I'm not fluent in this mechanism?   I don't know. It's it's ugly Like why is it ugly? You know?  That's like the How could you not call that artistic but more to the point? Scripting I'd say that's utilitarian. I'd say that's the opposite of artistic Is it? Well, yeah, because if you're going for You know, it's efficiency and I don't think that's that's artistic It has to do with its utility like you know, like so let's say you create something that's Mind-blowing in terms of a breakthrough in terms of I don't know a phone or a car or whatever I can like behold it in awe I'm like that's incredible and This this is going to push us into the definition of art So I kind of want to stay away from it because that's going to be a rabbit hole too um, that's fine Let's just move to the point I was trying to make which was You have people who know how scripts work. Maybe they they write them for a living Or they've been watching a bazillion films and then you have a guy who's never seen one before It's like everyone's opinion is valid. It's like, yeah, I Not really the point like what do you mean valid does I be like when you say that? What do you mean by everyone like an invalid opinion? Well, I mean validity in terms of logical structure does have a definition Well, that's another way I would just ask for their Yeah, Jay is posting pictures of very ugly cars It's the same ugly car. I don't know who designed but they need to not I just like that. That's still the go-to car.  Yes at fiat one Yeah, it's the it's the double chin car Are you saying that's the fat man car I'm saying that car gets to vote twice. That's the mall of fields of cars mall of fields of cars The fact that we've said it's the fiat double chin car and it's the ugly car people know what we're talking about Yeah, I think they actually do typically um See though, I think that we've gotten we've we've drilled out way more interesting conversations out of this this this No, we kill the question to denial People are saying can we see google fiat double chin car?  Yes, it has problems.  I like it tastes like aceline aceline So someone mentioned that apparently eric's been talking about me on twitter and I'm just having to look Of course he has if I can see keywords mohler showing up It's about my video because I released is it about how long it is the game of thrones one long man bad Oh, he said he got here.  That's consistent That they're they could they could get great value from watching your Even if it's if it's nothing But somebody highlighting bad examples Then that could give value to people because they'll know what to kind of look for as bad examples Fucking even if they don't even if they don't say why if it's just nothing bad. This is bad. This is bad. This is bad. This is bad They're like, oh, yeah, those are bad I should avoid those. Eric is a she now. Oh, well, sorry patricia is a she now as far as I'm still calling him Eric Because I don't know. I don't know what I don't know the specifics.  I don't know Eric patricia.  Um, there's a post of my My thumbnail Way easier and and and patricia has said This is a visual representation where I like to watch mollusk content and it's the this is the screenshot I've got of Daenerys looking gorgeous picture of himself Um, and so I responded is more of that bad and then patricia said not that bad just mediocre and pretentious That's interesting. Do you mean that objectively? Oh, no, uh-oh And then they said, um, well, I guess I should just I can just not only show this on stream But um, sorry, we'll come back to fat man. We're dealing with another one of my critics You got a are you implying something? Oh, this is just what fat man was doing. Are you saying this?  I meant to link you so my argument is saying lol If you go scroll to the top, I read out the part where uh, so you got we're down to um I don't know. I just watched three of his videos and they were quite decent Please elaborate and then patricia says his criticism is thorough but surface level all he does All he does it all under the pretense of striving for objective criticism in art which can't exist Okay, but even if that's wrong What about what I say like that's the If that's the conclusion, what about everything else I said? Like I talk about themes. Is that a Subtext are we not allowed? I thought those were what he considers beyond she considers beyond surface level I used to loathe his stands But after a while I just realized he meant criticism based on objective evidence instead of a judgment of truth about a piece of media No, that's him moving the gulp. Sorry. Let me read that again After all I realized he meant criticism based on objective evidence instead of a judgment of truth about a piece of media I'm not sure I do agree with that Multi-objectify a standard judgment of truth About a piece of media. Is that something I do? I'm trying to think about the words judgment of truth I I imagine that what he's trying to say here is that it's It corresponds to what's really happening in the media But he's saying that I don't say that that's something I do say that he meant Instead of I used to love but I realized he meant criticism based on objective evidence Instead of a judgment of truth about a piece of media That's all that sounds contradictory to me. Yeah, I'd have to ask for uh elaboration on that No, that's him moving the goalposts. Everyone gives criticism based on objective. No, they don't That's I don't even agree with that like that's not even something I do necessarily Everybody can give criticism based on how they feel or objective evidence. You can do both I can like I said, I can dislike Justin Timberlake for example And then watch a movie where he's the protagonist and be like, no, I don't like it because I find him annoying That's not objective He's not objectively annoying subjective that he's in it True, but yeah, that's the thing is like everything subjective is like is daisy ridley an actor and the poor Is In fact, you could make as many objective observations out of pieces you like But as soon as you make a judgment of quality, you've entered the realm of subjectivity And then they said uh not necessarily some criticisms are able to be qualified solely by subjective measures If a viewer engages a scene outside of his content that isn't meant by the author It's still a valid subjective take that's useful for other viewers. Just not for the author I mean it might be useful for the author, right EG someone could argue for a hypothetical non-intended theme over any kind of writing But if the evidence taken for that interpretation goes contrary to the text, then it's simply arguing for your own perspective Starting out a conclusion instead of getting to it. Yeah, I'd agree with that It's just the author could be interested by it Like if you wrote a story that had no theme and then someone drew one out of it, you might be like, oh that's uh cool To judge something objectively would be similar to compiling a hypothesis It's derived from the object and then changes over contrary evidence. That's why There could be several objective takes made out of different amounts of information and ambiguity within the text The point of striving for objectivism, although one could never achieve it in the theory Is to help the author in the craft of the media Meanwhile, the point of subjective criticism is to help different kinds of viewers to Stipulate or understand their own engagement of the text. I kind of like that overall He has a decent decent viewpoint on the whole thing And then that's where he says um are you implying that mollus critiques are useful to writers because lol I mean, how do we how do we how do we prove that that would be the case? Would I just have to find writers that find my stuff useful? Is that all I need to do? Or would they not be considered pretty solid supporting evidence pretty much? Yeah, you probably only need one because that's yeah, that's literally the thing that I guess he's saying isn't true But what would taxes say in response like they're not real writers? Yeah What they're finding useful isn't what they think is useful I guess he would try to say it does more harm than good and I'm like all right well I don't believe that do tell From what I can tell from watching his videos and talking to him personally Moeller is striving for some kind of prescriptive version of theory in order to aid in communication about what it means for something to be good But theory already does this descriptively I don't know if I want to read all of this I don't either Keep on keeping on tax on me and rags enthusiastically await your video on on him. We will we will enjoy our success in our large communities and our happiness and joy and we will enjoy the discussions that we have And you don't worry. You don't have to come to our birthday party And yeah, I'm I'm I'm happy to hear you want to complete the trifecta of covering wolf myself and now rags It will we'll have a wonderful party Enjoying what's going to be a very generous take on whatever rags feels about certain positions I already know you consider him a complete racist. So it's a good start.  Yeah, that's true.  How does that work? Also, if youtube doesn't censor that are they being transphobic?  We can't be the first people to come across this as an issue, right? Yeah, what if I take a woman's breasts be the first person to come across trans female nipples Well, if you take a if you take a naked dude, right?  Is it still? I mean that doesn't break to shop to man's nipples Onto a woman's nipples.  I don't know.  Yeah, breasts are sexual, but a man's chest isn't people want to say that boobs are like dirty And that you're not allowed to see them and what's the center of the boob the nipple Therefore, it's the nipple that's wrong, but a nipple is just a it's the female. It's the female nipple If anyone wants to quote me on a nipple is just a nipple.  It's just episode 51. It's just a nipple Molly you have to do that now Do what change the title to episode 51. It's just a nipple. I can't do that You can literally can't it's your channel. You can edit I made a deal with the devil. That's the one thing I he said I couldn't Satan says free the nipple that's your opinion j Like Are you gonna are you gonna follow your audience? All right, who am I supposed to listen to rags or j We're both saying the same thing. So no, I'm good. I'm gonna So I'm gonna have a follow-up question. I don't want to ask both of you Uh, I'm curious what j will say All right, j what specifically do you want the title to be? EFAP number 51. I forgot what we were saying That's the title I forgot specific the whole I forgot specifically part. I forgot what we were saying rags. What were we saying? I want to call it that it'd be funny though That's the best title ever That's amazing Okay, I guess we're great. Thank you j All right We did it It was supposed to be a self-check He actually just went into that on the most recent EFAP where the entire idea is you have to You have to bounce your own subjective opinion off of that Okay, I'm gonna misrepresent it because he talked about how so many people took that the wrong way He he I guess it's kind of hard to take whatever way he's thinking makes him come out on top I mean if the way you're twisting it, I'm sure you would laugh after saying something is just true without evidence I'm sure it makes it true Mm-hmm Plenty of people did not have a problem with the robot plenty of people did those people include Quentin reviews just right fat man falling Fucking what a good list of names. Yeah, I know these are all fantastic content creators Super quality a lot of detail about those things either that or the people he's fighting against are just articulating their points wrong I wouldn't say that's impossible.  So the idea Is that if we we no longer apply logic to a film if it has Fantasy elements in it as in things that aren't in real life Is a retarded statement and then the follow-up being well, I mean I should probably explain that So we have plenty of fiction that we judge based on internal consistency versus reality like um comparisons to reality because How the fuck we supposed to write any stories about anything If we're bound to exactly what is capable of happening on it. I mean, it's not like we can't do it It's just that it just limits media Greatly, I was gonna say massively and then I was like, I better change it That's true because some infinities can be greater than others And so you got people like patrick williams like, oh, yeah, there's there's no adult fantasy stories There's no adult sci-fi stories all that not a thing.   Why is it that we should go? Oh, it's for kids. Fuck it There's a lot of these assertions that they make and that they just say this is just true And they just like even begin to try and justify it And I made the opposite assertion in my video that if it comes to children's content We should take more care if anything Because you need to be careful with what you show children Like a female nipple So if patrick williams says we're not supposed to judge it blah blah blah because it's for kids I'm not saying. Oh, that is a subjective take from patrick williams. I was like, no It's just tattered as hypocritical probably like knew more about patrick williams takes about media I just need to find something he considers. Well, actually, no, you don't even have to go further than the last Jedi He's telling us we shouldn't be so angry about a film meant for children when he's talking about how it's the greatest thing ever And he's he's like ranting to his parents about how much he loves it So how come you're allowed to go one way with your emotions, but not the other? Exactly your rule seems unfair Yeah, congratulations on not only letting us know that you don't really watch my content outside of the ones that you care about Which means the ones you saw but you also didn't understand what I was saying Excellent job You know, he's using a subjective viewpoint whereas his viewpoint of The things he prefers Is the objective one When it's like he doesn't under it feels like i'm listening to like someone who's drunk in a bar who watched part of my video Try and explain it to me Like you like you just think you're played in the background. You're like, so he's trying to convey You say objective when it's art man, you can't do that How much I have likes for it is different than your likes What seems to be the officer problem His viewpoint is just as subjective like the things he values They don't stop throwing so many words around at once without defining them. What do I value? Is complex you asking me what I like What things I want to see in a thing and and and personally get satisfaction from is that what you're saying? It's just it's so easy. Just take any two statements Maybe not any two statements, but let's just take these two ones two plus two is four That's the one statement What it's not I disagree it's not a statement No, it's not four All right, so the second statement would be Audrey Hepburn is beautiful Right and then say that both of those are completely equal in terms of their subjective value And then you tell him you tell him that after what he said and just watch it all crumble Apparently Celtic is here Hello Celtic I Want to know what the black things behind you are Oh, yeah, we were we were debating. We actually don't know they are So on one hand is this sound dampening in some way or is it what I think it is which is a A sort of clothing shield type type thing you put up when you want to like Dress and you've you've used it as a sort of way to cover up. Oh a dressing screen thing Yeah, but like a black one because like I have something that looks similar to that, but it's orange not black so Really? Um, and yeah, if he wants to he can he can jump on with us if he wants to do Let's just we we only need another minute to finish this video and I imagine the end Well, I've actually got a it's a shame because I actually have to head out. So, um I will I'll have to call it there for my time And I'll event I'll watch the rest of this later and you'll have to fill me in on the black screen Um plastic conundrum. We might have to push memes to the next episode because rags is gonna have to go But that's okay. Yes. I do have I do have I do have to go I did not expect basically I had a whole lineup for intro and then memes I thought the intro was gonna be an hour at most and we're at three and a half. So Rags, I'm gonna resent you eternally now I'll link you all the memes jade Well, I guess there's just I get then I guess there's nothing I could do about that So I'm not gonna worry you want to just close out this video the right only a minute I mean I don't I don't I don't They only have value the person that I'm going with is notoriously impunctual. Is it unpunctual a punctual I think it's impunctual impunctual. I personally I would just go for unreliable They are often So I I will text them and say I will be over there in just Eventually in just eventually I'm sure we're nearing the end There's no real value.  Like every time you bring in a new tab I like cringe internally. I'm like, no You want to watch this as a movie about space wizards for children then Then patrick willams is being Objective did you miss the part where you use that as a counter argument to people labeling criticisms So what he was saying saying it can't be he's he's trying to shrug away criticism With what I would consider almost a non sequitur by saying that it is a space is a movie about space wizards meant for children Which is completely irrelevant unless any connection because I don't see any connection that he was trying to make It's it really is baffling but yeah, he used that as a way to shrug off the things that we said So for you to say that it's the same thing is interesting To say because he's trying to argue that patrick is explaining the way in which he views the film And it's like he tried to use it as a counter to criticisms It doesn't work as a counter as rags just said it's a non sequiturs is bizarre You almost had to double take you like what do you mean? It's a space was a film for children What is this connection between that being a rebuttal until you like make the connection because it's just so out there Also, yeah, people are saying he wants on I know I know I just said earlier We're gonna finish the video. We're nearly done and I'll bring him on. It's all right Anyway, we have to turn slightly to the right. Can we see tissues on that chest? I want to change my vote up to 90 90 I think I'm with jay on the 90 and if you want to watch it as The whatever moller likes, you know the you know the the consistency of writing Okay, so if that were true, how does he explain the fact that I adore end game and I can see that end game is poorly written Like I what I would love for him to watch our discussion of end game and just watch his brain explode Because we ripped into that movie and we love that movie all at the same time.  We're not talking about likes the characters that the character's making bad decisions Yeah, I'm severe. No, you're giving me plenty of time to find out what to eat for dinner.  Isn't even moller. What hope do I possibly have against moller and rags? I don't know man. If he comes in here and says you guys are joking, right? What are we gonna do? We're fucked Like no, I would just say no, we're being very serious take take everything that we say seriously Then you'll laugh in terms of objectivity and subjectivity. We'll just slowly wait for him to make a point Yeah, it's like make whatever point you'd like and we'll analyze it one thing at a time We can we can take it as seriously as you want Because like I said like all the examples that we've been giving they just break down at the most base level because he doesn't think about it Yeah, and there we are. All right Um, okay Altic phoenix if you can hear me go into the description Of this stream find a link to my discord get in there and then at me In the discord and I will get you in this call. That's the easiest way I can make this work Um, and yeah, that was um, that was interesting and fat man. You could have just stayed away We ended our conversation on good terms last time no And yeah, apparently he's got a ball of video with the works Which I mean if only I had a podcast where I discussed with friends the ideas of people who criticize us But no I can't wait for it. It'll be great. Um, that we have that in tax and back to back. It'll be great Well, think about the the the sheer volume of the discussion that we've had the past x amount of hours on this very loose Kind of casual chatter between people in a podcast Just goes to show how much depth there can be to this conversation Absolutely.  Okay. Yeah, sorry. Yeah Like a way that we can identify that we're incorrect is because we believe objectivity exists Checking checking one two three. Can everyone hear me? Yeah I I do need to go though. So I will catch everybody on the laders Hi rags. Hello. Hi Just wanted to do that Well, I um, I'm sure we'll bump into each other very soon either in his discord or what or in the afterlife Or in the afterlife one of those two in valhalla, of course Where you get to debate subjectivity and objectivity forever and ever and ever So I'll catch you later.  All right Uh, well, hello, hello everyone. Hello All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna be completely like this is one of the most exciting things I I ever since I really started watching e-fap.  I mean a lot of people have commented you guys have very similar styles and I see it honestly And I don't know I've been trying to just communicate with him exactly what Where's the discrepancy? Why does he hate you so much and I don't get it Oh, I mean, uh, I think it seems to be the The framing like that I'll be like this is being objective about the piece while he'll be like no It's being focused on the consistency of the piece Well, yeah, I've actually I've been like doing a little meditating since that conversation with batman because he did bring Up some interesting points, uh, though. I'll give me a moment here Let me change my profile picture because I have it as currently this cute little snake thing and I like the cute little snake I do but like for branding purposes I feel like I should probably have my phoenix up.  Oh, yes, please ask and understand that no comment is a perfectly acceptable answer What percentage do you give it that there is some calm on that chessboard?  Oh, no I I make that as a jest making it is but I make that mostly suggests I I don't like the I don't like tearing people down unless they have like personally attacked me and I get why you guys have such Well, jimmy willik is my friend. I I'm I'm glad that he hasn't personally attacked you he seems to think that I'm the one who's instigated on twitter despite the fact that he had like a whole Cavalcade of criticisms for me that are very character based as well not even content based That's like that's why I I'm happy with like if someone's like, yeah, he's probably coming to chessboard. I'd be like, uh, that's a funny I wouldn't I wouldn't care that is. Oh, yeah, I can get over it But it also means that I'm happy to make fun of him too and his cum chessboard Uh, just keep talking Talking talking talking talking a little more much louder How about no more? My game is at max. Wow No, just down it out. Wait one minute. One minute. I have to go beyond just lean into your microphone. I plugged in my nice mic for this Yeah, oh And I might not be Oh, there you go, but now you're a little blown out. Turn it down a little bit It is registering the wrong microphone Okay Hey, perfect. All right. Good. There we go. Oh, yeah, that's way better. That is way better I have a uh, I have a my nice microphone out for this um And for some reason I I plugged it in but I didn't register it should have priority.  What if we look at trying to objectively find the quality of a film as a science where it's He because he brought up the idea of well, then it's just coming consensus And that got to me thinking about how a lot of A lot of people like challenging like climate change and such should I'm not going to get into the politics of it But like there's that whole, you know, 97 percent of scientists have consensus that climate change is blah, blah, blah And that got me thinking about well science is just as divisive as as Films are but you never hear anyone in science arguing that there's subjectivity involved at least Objectivity doesn't exist We would be looked at as insane if you say something like the earth is only An oblique spheroid from a subjective perspective because it'd be like what does that mean? I know you do So basically what i'm trying to say is that um If there's no objectivity in science it starts to bring in a lot of issues like why should I care about climate change? It's subjective or something like that. We're like, oh This is a good ed well, so yeah Sounds like going to explode. You know, this sounds like you're staying alive or not not to mention the conflation between Criticizing a craft versus criticizing art. They'll be like, how can you say art is objectively or anything? And you're like, ah get away from that word get away like carpentry Isn't dependent like like uh, I've used this before but a dovetail joint and a finger joint They're very defined differently. And if someone said it's art though, I'd be like, yeah That doesn't change the fact that you can make a shitty dovetail joint by not getting the measurements properly And they'll be like the measurements are subjective. I'd be like, okay Um, well, I think is I think during that conversation fat man brought up a very good point of it is about defining your terms And though I I saw the tail end of this like I literally woke up like maybe Three hours ago and I'm still kind of groggy part of that is because I was like moving furniture all yesterday. So my body is is Murdering me. So I'm a little out of it. I'm still trying to I just copy those the benefit perspective here Like we didn't hear him say that at all and we've been saying that the whole time Maybe then that was the because okay, here's the thing we we we have a lot of conversations about this We've gone back and forth several times. There's only the most recent one and we just happened to have caught it on camera um But we brought up the idea of its perspective base where it's like you have to define What you're describing. So you're like the difference between the two joints you describe what the two different joints are what makes those two joints and then You judge what you have been presented as either one of those two joints and whether they have good quality Based upon those those definitions. I imagine Yeah, the quality will probably be reached by like say for example You could have a shitty dovetail joint where it resembles one It's just not very it's not fitting very well And then you could have something that just isn't a dovetail joint It's like those two are different degrees of bad in terms of the dovetail joint Um, and that's how you sort of break away the degree to which something is like what i'm trying to Convert this into is what we're talking about earlier is how bad a plot hole can be can differ Instead of it being is it a plot hole? Is it not a plot hole? It's like well That's one part but then talking about just how bad it is or just how much damage it deals like is different Yeah, well a good example of this and I noticed this um when I was a little kid I was watching the naked gun the very first naked gun Um, which by the way, anyone that hasn't seen it should go see it And there's probably some young people in the crowd that might not have Naked gun Leslie nelson great in the background of one scene on top of a fridge There's a slice of cheese like this big gold like triangular flock of cheese And that moves from like left to right between different cuts of the film that in a way is a plot hole But the significance of that plot hole is fucking piddling In in in comparison to the actual plot of the movie. It's completely irrelevant. It's just a minor discrepancy in the visuals of the film Um, and in fact because the film was a comedy I actually found it hilarious that the cheese was suddenly moving I thought the cheese was like alive and I thought it was like a background gag Instead of just like so it added in a way to the the actual essence of the film in some way to at least one person It's I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. I mean so, you know, you finding it pretty good Funny or something I would be like Create a comedy for example like space balls objectively The story falls apart completely in many ways But then we can come out of it in a meta sense and be like, oh, yeah, it's doing it deliberately to create laughter Which is a subjective result so, you know, if someone said like You can only guess at a subjective result. You'll never know if you can make someone laugh It's like, no, that's true, but we can have identifiers. We construct jokes We have there's a science to humor to a degree. We know We do it all eff up all the time. There's jokes. We'll all make in the hopes that's going to make people laugh. That's the idea Um Like how do you make those assumptions? Like well because we have an idea of how humor works what people expect most of us based on shock and a lot of it Um is based on subversion. So you expect a story to go one way.  That's a dirty word Subversion to dirty word, right but if it goes so just the idea of um Just building up this really strong character and then chopping off his head immediately And he just falls over any farts or something It's funny because it's just like there's so there's so many ways to talk about why that's funny But then you can objectively state perhaps that his power level was completely ignored Um, and it doesn't make sense with who he was to be able to die that way There's a whole conversation because we're almost talking about like the nature of a comedy versus, um Running a drama and that for a lot of people that conflicts with the idea of Question if you'd treat the last Jedi as a comedy, how does it stand up objectively poorly written? But it can absolutely cause laughs. This is the problem with um Something being funny is so subjective by definition. I I can make arguments for why something made me laugh But it's not going to make you laugh necessarily Um, and a lot of people obviously would be upset by the idea because they consider it to be a very strong drama is Spider just came all the way down from my ceiling onto my my microphone. Wow That's maybe say hi Yeah, say hi He's a new co-host put him on put him on Like a way as to say Yeah, the spider might have some intricate knowledge about like the the intricate web of of objectivity what I need like Um, a magnifying glass in terms of audio Spider no just listen to the spider and say what it says ask it. What's gonna happen in the next few days It's gone now. Damn it. Oh, you didn't even know tell me anything.  Uh, my audio just cut out I'm in it.   I literally couldn't finish it. It was too unfunny and boring and all the cag You're an unfunny boring Yes, this is all this is all subjective, but yes, the spider is inside my microphone Hello He really wants on the show Uh, yeah, anyway, what are we talking about? I you were going to ask the spider whether or not tubin maguire is going to be the next spider man Oh, no, he's I've I've put him to safety. He's running away now. We'll go just to be clear We all want we all want the tom holland andrew garfield tubin maguire crossover to happen. Yes. Yes. Damn it. Yes Spider-man what spider-man 2 was a formative movie in my life. I I need to see that crossover There's some argument for whether or not andrew garfield It but other than yeah Okay, look I don't think andrew garfield's a bad actor. He should not be sinned for the for the sins of the uh filmmakers around him so I'd say bring him in Bring him onto e-fap Everyone would be absolutely okay with that. Um But yeah, I think it's gonna happen one day like an actor or a writer or something is going to happen The problem is the problem is you guys don't do facecam on e-fap. So it's like how do you convey his hair? We would like like like the power of his hair could describe it objectively Describe your quiff to us andrew Every follicle the the shape and curve the the exact degree of every single one he could make it his profile picture But a picture does not do justice to what should be seen with your own two eyes Well, yeah, but we can't we can never hope to behold it ourselves Unless we go through the last person that day went blind That's why the venom script was so bad I want to draw some attention here as well though the uh, as i'm sure you're aware fat man makes videos that are More than one hour and yet he's criticized me for being a long man this is a Uh in fairness to him. Um, well, I think 60 hours though Yeah, but do you see that though? He said the you know, not all of the same I tend to be more than one point did an hour sometimes even several He wouldn't know that if he nailed it Oh What what do you what do you think that was my most frustrating because he sat down and he watched your dark souls Two video he watched like video series. He watched I think he watched that entire thing and he's a big fan of um What's his face um each bomber guy Each bomber guy So I think that might have set you guys on the wrong foot Because it's sort of like you're kind of attacking an idol even though it's I don't consider that necessarily an attack So I think that might have set you guys on the wrong foot And I think that is he aware that the part of the reason I did it was because I really respect each bomber guy I'm really like him And so I felt that I think the other part is he also thinks he's petty. He thinks you're petty on twitter I think again, I feel I don't understand. How can you make that claim with what he says about me? I don't understand on twitter. I I I have I've gone on record telling him I think he's petty on twitter sometimes so in all fairness it's it's I have called him out for similar things. He has called you out for Which might just lead it to be like you guys might just be like two magnets with the same same Polar ends. Oh like a magnet with good arguments and a magnet with bad arguments I don't think you've watched any of his videos. Have you I saw part of his death note one because people want me to play that for er. I think You know the oh interesting. Uh, we'll have to see if that ever happens. That'd be interesting Because we actually we did a reaction to that death note movie and Well, it's not necessarily a good a great movie. It's a fun movie That's a bad word interesting to say from the subjective crowd that it's it's fun, but it's not great Well, yeah, no, it's all it's not a good adaptation. It's found out just not a good adaptation We acknowledge that but if you look at it as a standalone film, my voice is cracked there. I feel that was weird If you look at it from a standalone standpoint as an okay, this is just it's a similar premise Same name, but completely different continuity than anything else not trying to be the original It's an okay film.   But if you take him as his own character like if you don't if you have no connection to the original l He's a really fun character to watch and I think he maintains the consistency of batshit lunatic throughout the entirety of the thing so I It's a good film if you really didn't want to see a death note movie Hmm Well, that would be an interesting thing to maybe address one day. Maybe I'll have to watch the show and then Be able to check that video. I mean, I personally though. I have not watched the show So I have the benefit of like I only know it from its fandom So I I know some of the things and I can see where a lot of the issues are coming from with the fandom and lots of But I I'm getting off topic because I was talking about fat man's videos the big videos that he does Are the ruby reviews and that's where me him and our big group team frostbite really make our claim is the web show ruby done by rooster g Um, which is I don't know if you've seen it. Have any of you seen it? Nope. No, I saw like Two episodes and it didn't really grab Well, that's the thing is It's it's one of those films and this is this mean that fat man keeps bashing me over the head with is it's a film It's right a series filled with potential And fat man always brings up that potential does not mean good And I recognize I recognize that but so we kind of have like a Symbiotic relationship with how we handle it fat man is very much on Mahler's type of style of just going to the Into the story into the the entire season. You know every volume not seasons and just deconstructing them from the top down Just like tearing everything apart finding Where things are just falling apart completely Um, which is often very very easy the writing of the show is absolute trash. There's a few moments of brilliance very few But they're far and few between My job at least what I do on my channel if anyone's interested I take those same stories what he's torn down and I pick through the ashes and I'm like, all right This element works this element works this element works And then I try to write a coherent story around what I think Ruby should have been not not my opinion on what it should have been But what I think they were trying to convey It was my my observation of what I think they were what their goal was Versus like how far their aspirations were away from their talent So that's sort of the kind of double-ended The two-ended prong that me and fat man make up with that series But if you look at fat man's ruby reviews very much in your vein where he just Pulls the thread and just keeps on pulling That's a good analogy Yeah, and um, that's where I get so frustrated with him. It's just I I I I don't get it. I don't get how he could uh, hate you It sounds like he's got a subjective bias preventing him from being objective about what I'm trying to perform because The problem is shot at h bomb okay Saying that to his face is just like that doesn't compute No, it It might be true. I'm not saying it is true. I'm just going on my own speculation on the matter Uh from my talks with him um, because again, I don't like putting words in his mouth. I I hate or Trying to say what he said. I don't like quoting I uh, I practiced like there's a little bit of law. I know I do not like hearsay hearsay is terrible to me, uh but I'm trying to tell him to his face that I think you're being Biased towards not liking him Just ends with dismissal and I think that happens with a lot of people if you try to tell them Hey, I think you're not giving this a fair shake. You're going to be like no, I am giving it a fair shake.  I don't I've worried about my clarifications Yeah, um, I mean It looks to be that Yes, you'll make his video. I don't know if he's going through with that or not We'll cover it and then you'll be welcome to come on if he wants to He's already he's already welcome to come on though pretty much.  This says nothing man Maybe he likes cadel Yeah What's cadel? Oh my goodness. You don't know what cadel is. So you are uncultured Okay, look, I I there's a lot of content that's simply with your channel, man I'm still getting through the rest of the e-fabs. I'm like on e-fap 25 Admittedly I watched like from like 45 Up until no, sorry, I watched how did you how did you find the podcast? How I found it through your channel because I found you first. I don't know how I found you I think it was because it was during the initial uh last Jedi blitz that everyone was turning into the film and There was someone else that that really tore down Just the opening scene from like a military stratagem perspective emperor penguin. You were recommended. What emperor penguin? It might have been emperor penguin. I'm not sure. I know I don't really stick close to their content but I I found your content and I binged all of that and then from the recommended I actually found You're gonna get kick out of this uh, Anderson Joseph Anderson Which I do think you guys have very similar styles So I do he does get that whole subjectivity video was Um, so I found all this content and I I binged all that I basically binged both of your contents back to back and it was a very very interesting time for me to learn about Objectivity or subjectivity and all that such Which I thought I knew about and then I didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went Oh, it keeps going it's never ending Well, it's interesting because like if you really like the podcast, uh, then you're gonna love gadelp because Gd elb Hype that in and then it's the second episode There's only two to get all to get all of the payoffs though for gadelp, too You need what point any you have to watch up to that's like a question. Actually. I'm not sure I'm getting an auto correct for git lab I Mean if you type more than gadelp that should probably let you type it out Well, I mean me I am like is this on youtube or like yes, it's not pulling it. Okay mo. Oh, yeah Eos has just said by the way his plague tale review counters Like joseph anison's plague tale review counters his own perspective on subjectivity. Um Uh, fringy had me watch the first few minutes of that video. It's very interesting considering what he said about um subjectivity of Good old joseph. So gadelp is an acronym, right? Yes game Game developers essentials lessons book That's the one Oh, I was putting the e in the wrong place. That's probably why. Um, actually wait. I'll see you saying good lab many of Uh, I was uh, uh, get get the lib get a little good old get a little yes in old country.  Is that what it is or nope? No, no, no, no watching it. That's us watching it. Yeah Oh, just you just want me to see the the the actual video. I'm trying. Yeah, the thumbnail has trump in it Oh We're just not we're not just linked in. We could have just linked it by now. Yeah I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. All right. Well You should go watch that and then tweet at me what you thought of it once you finish it Uh, we'll do we'll do, uh, I say how 22 right? It's peak video essay content, okay It is what every video Is this the one that's basically just complete nonsense because I think there was something I don't know what you mean I know it's it's pure genius. It makes total sense to me. I watch video essays and I wouldn't There are like several intertwining narratives in this because I think I started watching this because I actually had like like It started me at the 135 mark. I think I started watching this and I'm like, this is pure insanity And I had other things to take care of so I may not finish it, but I'll go watch this Uh, I when I get out of here, um, wait, I was gonna say is there anything else you wanted to talk about? Um um I'm not super sure. Um I mean, I would love to come back on but that's my own, you know, narcissism speaking. I don't want to assume anything Uh, you should probably you we could probably have him on when we respond to uh, fatty boys, uh Oh, yeah, you totally totally I would make this video. I will have you on as a guest if you'd like Yeah, I would appreciate that because I would try to be because I I kind of feel like fat men would be He does complain like you bring people on your show and then you gang up on him or a gang up on them And I've seen that once or twice, but like unintentionally It just happens when you're in a bigger group that you like all start talking over each other Yeah, that's the thing. It's like it's it's not like we summon more numbers or anything like that That's just the the main three hosts are mauler wolf and regs. So it's like, yeah, there's gonna be three people You can't expect them to just step out every time there's a debate. I mean come on. That's not fair Besides so I think if you're arguing 2 plus 2 is 4 against a bunch of people saying 2 plus 2 is 5 It doesn't matter how many there are Yeah, it's true. Yeah But I you know if I were to be brought on at that same time to be as someone kind of in his corner for the For the duration of that just to kind of feel like he has more of a fighting chance if he feels outnumbered I think that would probably be conducive. It's in some ways Yeah, there you go Or at least at least trying to maybe like parse out what he's thinking and eloquent it to you guys Because that's one thing that does frustrate me about eFap is like there are people that Make argue you guys sometimes do it you guys are better at eloquating your points But there are some people that get on here and I understand what they're trying to say to you guys But they're like saying it in the most ass backward way possible And I'm like no if you just I have an english degree So I'm just like, okay If you just calm down and think about what you're saying there are easily defined terms you can use to Elegate your point. I was 15 That was one of them BS if I could just you know throw a quick plug in for my channel and Ask one question of you moller because this is an important one So first plug my channel Anyone wants to check it out Celtic Phoenix productions. I do a whole mishmash of things The most prevalence are the reactions on there. We do a lot of random things We do we're doing dr. Stone and dbz a bridge right now, which you probably just saw a bit of One of those videos But most the big draw my channel is a lot of different reviews The complete breakdown series. Please please watch the complete breakdown series. I put a lot of time and effort into those And uh Yeah, and my ruby videos. Those are my biggest draws So if you guys are interested in that, please check out Celtic Phoenix productions Uh, and now moller I am currently in league with a friend of mine writing in a bridge for Godzilla 2014 And there is a very small part That I wanted to have with both you and fat man to kind of poke fun at this whole situation Fat man has agreed Would you be up for that? It's very small. It would not take very long to record. I promise you that So you want to record like dialogue? Yes, just very brief. Uh, there's probably going to be 15 lines.  Yes. It just depends on what it is right because like a lot if I agreed that you had to be Read out.   I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no It's literally it's just a complete lampoon on the fact that You're both kind of like on the polar side of the argument.  All right. Well, I'll say yes for now then. Yeah, yes. Yes. Yes. I'm fine with that. I just want to Oh, this is this has been a surprise of a day. So But he's had fun. So, yes I have fun. I'm sorry. I've been so giddy. I'm normally a little more relaxed. I'm just nervous because yeah, it's all good, man Yeah, all right. Thank you for having me on guys. Uh, it has been a pleasure and I hope to talk with you guys again Good times. See you next time. Yeah, thanks. Thanks on the flip side And Then there was full I can count that far. Can we get seamanman all next? Wait, who's seamanman? Jess Covenman, um So, yeah, anyway, I guess we'll have to see how that goes with with fat man and the and the progress of whatever is happening there exactly um I wish him all the best Well, have you updated the stream title, by the way? No, no, I'll do it once it gets on moolah. I'm doing it right now What am I crazy? Oh, jay, it's gonna be live for another like few hours. God forbid people miss that. Oh, no Calm down. It'll be on moolah I refuse. I know you refuse. I am I am I'm outraged at the lack of agreement. You're not putting down agreements On xianxio's objective. You're lifting your agreements from the table. How could you? I you don't sound very heavy-handed Um, so I want to bring up something pretty funny. Um Someone who's a fan of efap, I guess A screenshot is us looking at the trailer for Dear wars the new thingy And then posted it into movie circle jack saying getting mad at a two minute special look He's mostly just footage from previous films for a half an hour shake my head And then like all the comments are jumping on the fact.  It would be fixed again. I wouldn't I wouldn't normally say this but do this It's funny. I love how someone was like that's remarkably restrained for them Um, I got sent this and I thought it was amusing. It's um, we'll watch a bit of it just because it's it's novel But um, the guy is showing his friend gadelb, but not letting him know it's nonsense Um, let me just load it up. This is I think it's just passed around discord I don't know how I found this. I just made a note to show it go from like I don't know six Believe me you wouldn't want that if you understood what it meant and that's the great bilbo baggings Once said anthem feels thin like bread spread across too much butter, but today's focus What? I've never spread my my bread across butter I ain't never spread my bread over butter in my mind. I'm picking somebody with some bread and they open up the butter But they just spread site. They just rub their bread That's what he's saying effective anthem on society the way in which it has changed our Streamlining of interface iteration or soft blanking that is a more archaic programming term And if you are one of the people who are unaware of it, then perhaps you should okay What is what these games that he's showing like these games that he's showing and then like the names of them They're not aligning Guys like like our criticisms of video essays are gonna be Normal people's approach with like gadel because they'll notice they'll actually notice all the stupid shit because it's hard not to notice And I guess I'm making a mistake here and I'm almost Baiting people into making recordings of gadel, but as if they've never heard of it before I mean, I love the idea of you recording your friend reacting to gadel Um without knowing it's not real, but as much as that's cool I have a feeling that people will want to fake it in order to have a shown on efeb So you know you don't need to fake that just have a friend Well The thing is gadel is so stupid that if in the first seconds they go this isn't real it kind of ruins it, right?  Uh, I was uh, I wasn't a good friend of mine over the weekend and we were drinking and I I told her about what we're doing on this podcast thingy and then I showed her like The beginning of the movie about video we watched Of what she said I was like, okay, calm down. This is gonna be very fast It's like that's just like stop it I can't I don't understand what he's saying He has a large audience that very much enjoy his video. I don't know what to say I just found that very amusing Um, but yeah, I don't know. I thought that was funny Another thing that I guess we should mention on e-fap itself We covered a video from brown table called what makes good art slash film ret red A lot of great memes came out of that one Oh, the video is gone He took it down What that's very sad. Oh, so he knows then well It's either a huge coincidence Well, he's aware of e-fap. Hello brown table brown table. If you ever hear this Harassment to me. I would love for you to guess on this show and explain to me what good rat is Oh good rad unironically though I hope you didn't take it down because you felt you were Getting too many negative comments or something and that you just thought that maybe it wasn't a great video because it's It was pretty funny But um Yeah, I was sad to see that the only way to consume that video now is through us on e-fap because I don't know if anyone Downloaded it or anything, but is it down or unlisted? That's another question. I don't know the answer to I didn't have a link to the video anymore anyway, um So maybe it'll be somewhere in someone's history If someone can find the unlisted version you should download it and re-upload it as a archive of brown table And in other news TRO has unlisted his rags video. I um, I asked that he would because of He made a tweet saying like he was gonna unlist his pro jarred one because he felt like There are a couple things were inaccurate in it in terms of the full scale of the story and I was just like the rags video was Pretty bad Like there was a lot of shit in there that was not accurate and there's a lot of comments that um very heavily focused on Let's just be charitable and say Negativity towards rags and I felt like the video is a lightning rod for people who don't like rags And it's not really fair because the video is a very poor representation of let's just say rags as approach, especially Like with what quintin says Unless I'm in a I did concede on the is the quintin stuff was the worst stuff The tRO may have made mistakes, but you know, it's it's quintin's parts that are the worst But either way he agreed to unlist it which uh, thank you very much. I appreciate that Good luck to the future. Um Whatever you may endeavor with um And then this was this was made aware of I I know that you've seen this before j Of course you have because it's what is this amusing I had to show this on aren't you fair because if I didn't I'd not be doing my job correctly. Yes, let's copy So you got I don't know what this was. Do you know what subreddit this is from? Uh, I can check hang on.  He works under cinemas. He is being managed by j axi. I manage him Yeah, he is my underling, but I love the idea that that's how rags is known I know you did show your rags rags is claimed to fame is knowing me Also, wait, what would you say about I I said you showed me this but that's wrong I saw it on twitter and I tweeted below it and I was asking jay if he's still hiring Um, but yeah, since it says stupid throwbot, there's a good chance this could be like a troll But I like to believe it's real believe that it's a troll, but You know anything could be real on the internet. I wanted to be real. That's all that matters But yeah, and then there's a few more things we could do. I had a whole Long article thing to look through. I had a video to potentially cover And then I had a whole section of memes We're not gonna be able to do any of that. I'm gonna skip right over to super chats because We're four and a half hours already nearly so our time flies The fat man video and the hello video ones man is on r slash enlightened centrism enlightened centrism. All right If there was one way to describe rags Let me find the full post here it is Do you feel yeah? I think people are putting rags in there because he's like i'm a centrist I mean, I kind of remember if that's what rags claims I the thing the thing they're showing is him like disavowing loads of different extremist ideologies Oh, okay So like he disavows everything authoritarian Um So he's the elis Santifa Nazism Wow and the title says boogie is often talked about but what about rags? I guess is boogie a hashtag enlightened centrist. Oh, I think he claims to be a centrist. I think He's been he's been getting into trouble lately. I think he's back on twitter now though Good ol boogie. I hope he's finding whatever piece he can find You know about the latest quote from him, right jay? No, I don't pay attention to him. Um well He really doesn't like it The internet trolls trying to ruin people's lives, right? Oh, they they relish the idea of cancelling and ruining people's lives Which is understandable a fair thing not to like yeah, um And he goes on to say that these people are like the worst.  I Believe what do they believe in seriously? What is that? What is that called belief?  So I would regret saying that as well. Yes. Um Not something One would like to to have Be a thing that's that's connected to them forever Um, but yeah, he got he basically got challenged on that and um He would left twitter for a week. I think or left the internet for a week. I agree that he got challenged Yeah, you know some people weird people, I guess, uh, they're like that's a that's a strange thing to say And it just didn't look great. It didn't look great. That's there you go That's my controversial heart take on that whole situation Oh boy, but it is Wonderful stuff regardless He has such a long history of Saying such crazy-ish things that that are just like we stop please That's a lot of words for a person of weight Gets winded more are you not allowed to say as much if you're a fat man? No All right. Well either way I'm going to start trying to read sewage ads and I can't tell exactly where I left off Or where I was cut off from The last episode would never be the end if I remember currently Trying to find because I end on saying something weird about Like jay and rags. Don't I I'm trying to find Yeah, but that could be like any number of things you're saying that is true. Um Good way to do this. I'm gonna I'm gonna draw it back to to a while and just See if there's any I recognize less. All right Um All right, I'll start with this one. I want to be the last one to super chat That's a pretty good place to go from a lot of these.  I'll be like, yeah, it is so no Too bad Well, the no was in response to the last the person wanting to be the last person Well, yeah, no that does make sense. Yeah, um if someone says high rags one more time. I swear Yeah Probably efab 51 by now, but hello everyone. Hey Hi Well, I hope people stop sending super chats so you can go to sleep. Oh wait, sorry. I get it That's a funny meme. Um, are we still in the middle or is this the end? I get it because the middle is better. It was still the middle until it ended What was the epilogue? Everyone stops sending super chats. I'm serious. Stop it That was three super chats in a row Um, I'm not writing a book. I'm writing a musical based on dragon ball. All right What was rags his book? So rags was memeing Well, the meme is the wolf has books people say hey, well rags love the books And then rags releases a video and like hey, I'm all I love the released video And then some people got assumed that rags was actually releasing a book They were like, what's the name of the book and we're gonna buy it.  Do you like, oh well, no, it's me But it's hard to tell the difference sometimes, you know Uh, yes Mola, you make me produce happy milk Oh Oh, let's just board EFAP reads mundane mad terrible internet book. I um, I think people did request that we read his advice on how to become successful in social media is I mean That book must be full of such wonderful Golden nuggets. I don't I don't know It could be fun This is how a long man becomes an old man reading super chats.  Anyway guys, you're all massive heroes for going the distance Oh, thank you Um, also an over and under is basically a double barrel shotgun where the barrels sit on top of each other instead of side by side Oh, we did. Yeah, we were talking about, um Shotguns, I remember that's interesting Now why are you guys still streaming EFAP 51 is coming out? Uh, it's out Also, what did you say Jay? No, it was me. I was Um, I got lost a little bit there, uh about About gun there being double barrel shotguns top at the top instead of I thought there I thought there already were shotguns that were like top instead of sideways is or is that not the argument? Yeah, no, they're saying the over and under shotguns are the ones that have barrels that go above and below instead of side by side I believe you have one of the the olympia. It's the gun you have is default in black ops zombies Yep, I think so. Hmm. Uh, can you guys last this long in everything you do? I don't think so And then there's one that says That's probably a reference to the hours any tips for writers wanting to do audio clips of his short stories I don't know how to answer that question Tips for a writer wanting to do audio clips of his short stories You mean in in the process of recording them? Tips for a writer I guess, um, I don't know if they're asking for tips on recording them or tips on writing them and, um The way People say a sub and diva'd sub and goliath. Um, yeah, I don't know when it comes to recording That one takes severe practice and I guess the same applies to writing as well I don't really have advice for short stories or um the recording of them. That's any specific beyond Practice makes perfect keep trying that whole spiel Use this to buy a republic commander on gog. I'm pretty sure I have that on steam Think is it on steam if it's on steam. I have it What what what game no one's ever really got the rise of shrek Uh republic commando Oh, that's on steam. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have it I don't I played it Also, I just saw a friend of from the efab website Just said last super chat started with a massive not efab massive With a link to the missing minutes Well, that was the one that was the last one that was read apparently yes Are they 100 sure Like I said, I could have sworn the last one I read that gets cut off in the latest episode was me saying something about jane rags I mean, he gave a link Why not put the last episode in the watch together and skip to the end of it? Oh, was it recorded? apparently Wow Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. I should have thought that someone might have been recording it live um I mean as long as I'm on point right now with what I'm doing I don't really mind continuing with the ones that currently reading out, you know Yeah, no, I just want to throw that along Thank you obviously for that. Yes. Yes uh Hello my malodorous leg joint tumors campier baggins that's um I don't know if that's something campier would say.  I've seen watchman I do want to read the comic though because everyone said well Anyone who you talk to the comic is the worst thing and the best thing. No, it's better Yeah, most people say it's better a couple people still say that the adaptation is strong, but most I've heard say it's not faithful No, it's really not faithful. Oh That's just your opinion. I've read something I get to I get to be an authority. Yes um, just like like uh hitchhiker's guide of the galaxy H.R. Geiger's guide to the galaxy Hoople dople Slotty buttfast. I wouldn't want to go with H.R. Geiger's guide to the galaxy. It's gonna be a creepy sexual book Yeah At least you believe something I'm I'm so proud of this toxic brood also high rags Dude, you need someone else to say I was going to say I was waiting for someone else to do it Okay, hi stream Hello Hello, I'd say a soka for the sex question. Is that odd?  I think Oh Palpatine wouldn't everyone's answer be palpatine I mean mine would be Who is better superman superhero movie or captain marvel? Oh, I remember reading that one. I'm pretty sure and I said that it had to be superhero movie because like nothing is worse than captain marvel that's a fairer Molo when the superchats for the 50th are done. Could you tell us how much money was donated for the whole stream?  Have you figured out how to make that permanent yet jail? You still have to fiddle with it. No, literally when I want to search for a keyword in my comments It takes me to the new one.  Why do they keep force? It's not even complete yet.  They're gonna take it away from you in a few I haven't I don't even know the old one I'm just confused that I'm using something that says beta all the time. It's like, don't give me a beta Yeah, I kind of like the idea.  It's like what? The one good part of it, actually there are two good parts of it. It's pretty good at telling you about your revenue and the little thing at the On the dashboard where it tells you how your video is That's good.  Thank you.  Hi jay Hi Thank you all my neighbors Y'all need to go to sleep What's my name part four or we kill jay we would have done that anyway though Too short. I reserved lifelog holidays in Siberia for riot. Okay 50 hours. That's it.  Oh, I'm sorry Cracking a cold one for the end to be proud efappers activate maximum over long you massives We're getting towards that one Massive thanks to you all for efap 50 praise dawn also high rag Hello Raising a glass of rhino milk to the massive king congrats on 50 faps smaller Battery on 1% yeet If Phasma is referenced in episode nine is she still technically in it if she doesn't respawn isn't it inconsistent as fuck? But get anyway guys. Hi all my neighbors Uh, she she if I'm sure they will bed should her baby. They might have a throwaway line, but pretty sure she's not in it I remember gwenland christie is not in it. I don't know. She should respawn though. She's done it twice no once No ones. Yeah, she's respawned once Because we we were supposed to be in the trash compacted when the entire space station exploded.  No, that's zack yield, but actually what? The next one is from rah Bada bing bada boom. I like throwing people off a roofs Okay Try to be the last super chat, but probably failed at that. I love your content. You're all great Thanks for all the efaps. Here's to 50 more. Thank you. Noah Part four here we come No, no, you won't make it moa ha ha Congrats on the 50th again and good night. Keepo see kyle Last hi rags Hello, we've helped us all a lot. Here's to part four. Good night. Nice trifags. I'm last This is the last super chat first Long man bad last super chat everyone involved in this 24 hour efapp is a goddamn savage You all rock. I'm so proud of this community We still got a few left. So everybody was predicting the end well before well, not well before we go like 10 And thus concludes efap 50. Can you kick jay now? Was that christina?  This will never end lost mine lost super chat say my name Hour 29 of question mark billion lost. No, it's me.  No, it's me.  Oh, there we have done it. That's the end And I wish I couldn't make money dead easily Hey, I would I would actually say raw you made it up with the last word with bite bite bite Congratulations According to youtube. That was the last word efap 50 got Leave super chats after a stream ends. I know this to be I know that's what I mean like By the statement of youtube. He is the last one from efap 50 the rest come into the next stream then Not bad at all. So yeah, now I can begin efap 51s ones Hooray Hello long man. Glad to see you streaming games again. Sadly working today, but I look forward to watching this later also. Hi rags That was referencing an ice-dreamed shadow of the colosos That shit's a good game I remember that one's there. You were there. Hi rags. That was great Hello Hello massives. Hello. Hello. Good evening people's life is a treasure Good evening debatable I've been away for what feels like forever. Nice to catch this one live. Love all you guys.   Is that a pamba party reference? Oh, yeah, it could be Okay Damn um poop All right. Hi rags Hello Welcome back boys. First live efap since catching up on the backlog just in time to catch 50. Also hi rags Hello Glad you masters are back. Love the Game of Thrones video mohler. Jay, you're not going to like what happens to you in efap the movie Yeah, we're going to delay memes. I'm afraid but we'll get there Welcome back my toxic n words. You fill my cold heart with happy tisms torch and scorch I was rewatching episode 36 and as you were talking about game of thrones episode 5 review It hit youtube clearly the cosmic chicken was smiling on me praise be to the dawn Yeah, that that must have been deliberate and if there's any more proof required for the cosmic chicken I don't really understand more proof even memes at that point Have you been talking about making that video since efap 36? Oh, I would assume it's even earlier than that.  Oh, we tried to push him on it and he didn't give us much Yeah, geode Yay I challenge you to make tlj an unbridled praise. No Not accepted.  You just don't know me very well. Say, why is that weird?  That's what you mean. That's weird subjectively, right? No, I meant that technologically The new one i'm trying I agree technologically that's the one So that basically means it's caught between the realms of subjective and objective technicative Technicative Uh, I'm not even done me a 24 hour special yet. Here's to another 50 excellent episodes of efep. Thank you I win lannister the ultimate massive. I mean, yeah, it's pretty much in law now He's the x homo Brown tables so we can see more artificial barrier bars of screen blockage. Oh, yeah, he was uh, he did that That was great We probably will I'm pretty sure we have at least one more brown table in my in my backlog that we want to go through He's he's great. Nice. I'm not sure actually I have to check but um, yeah, brown table is great. I can't wait for him to release more videos Uh, do you know of ryan holinger? What do you think? Know that name? No come again and probably why am I even asking? I don't know ryan holinger Yeah, no I do not know that name myself or if I have ever heard it. I don't remember Uh, morning boys. Love the vid molar and all y'all stuff. Oh, yeah, I guess I should say like Hey, um, I did release a video So for those who only watch efep if there's any of you out there who are like does molar make videos I I do and I did There's a new one So be another one now until another Yeah, get just right on every time he talks theo beatbox is We need to see on the theo on more maybe as another co-host also ryan slash joseph interview thoughts That's never gonna happen and as for another co-host like I don't think that that we're gonna do like a A third co-host we we kind of intend wolf to come back one day or at least um, that would be the hope so until that time We get to have double guests Means infinite possibilities and combinations Uh, two four six eight. Hello rags Hello and kick j Hi Also, hi j Hi You're like you can't really say that to me after having said the other thing but That was a that was a layered a layered one. That was a roller coaster of a man Wait, so if I was supposed to be kicked by that point does that mean other people? Yes, other people would have had to have account for you being j unless we had a second guest here is also called j Jay long bone Hey, there you go.  You have j yoda I don't really yoda saying that but I mean that's comedy that is comedy Um Pit can yes, you're no anas So the cure no made on nola kassani see Copy and paste it into your review. Have you seen the firefly movie serenity thoughts? Yes. I like it Anyone else in it? No, I haven't I've deliberately not watched firefly because I've heard it It stops unsatisfyingly But I mean, yeah I would I would rather something watch something that I've been told stops in a satisfying way than Something I know is going to leave me wanting more Anyways got a gooey still on efab 41 hard to catch up love the game of thrones video molster If you're a sentient item of food, which one would you be? Milk no, that's not food. That's drink cheese What about cream is that in the realm between food and drink? I think you could could you drink cream? I think you could But then if you mash vegetables up enough you can eventually drink them, but Or if they're still in smaller cubes of food everything is a drink everything is a drink Someone just paid you five dollars to say j. Do you have girly peen? Oh, sorry a girly peen answer the man Yes, I keep it on my shelf Nice you take care of that girly peen brother Exactly. Thank you Missed all you massifs. Oh welcome back. Australia is as real as the season of autumn Pretty sure autumn was invented as a conspiracy to protect the volcanoes The involvement in night Yes, I'm not supposed to say that I mean, are we not supposed to say the true facts of life? Is that what you're saying? Yes Memento update all up to date apart from the start of the cosmic chicken that is on jay's channel And I won't give that massive a view also hi jay Also, there's a there's a version of that video on so Yeah, I don't know I I guess they meant not sure why I'm like, oh if you don't want to give me views You don't have to you can go and get the concert somewhere else I mean, he also said hi jay, so I'm pretty sure he's he's cool with you I'll give you a view. He'll give you several views just not one Okay unacceptable I want to make a live-action efap meme. It'll be mola wolf and rags having a sword fight versus someone. I need to know who you will fight Um There's a lot of selection Quinten probably quintin. Yeah, that's a good choice Got a little quintin If up on my birthday perfect mola your game of thrones season eight episode five rage was simply incredible work I thank you justin Um dear efap which curse is worse? Being unable to understand or appreciate objective critique or being unable to look past objective flaws in an order to enjoy a bad movie From mr. Massive It's better to be able to look past flaws to enjoy something Because then you're happier. I was gonna say if you went from the perspective of being happier You're probably gonna prefer the latter. I mean Yeah, I'm sure most people agree that being happy is a good thing.  It goes from zero to 100. They clipped over 100 back into zero. They were like, oh How that works that's science Mola, we're at episode six rage, but seriously your episode five video was amazing. Thank you for all the hard work Also, danny kind of forgot Yeah, and episode six rage. I can't I'm not promising anything. I'm not even gonna tell you guys if I start working on it No, I'm not making anything ever. That's just nothing that I do and then I can just drop videos and you'd be like, ooh It should be much easier to do episode six. They're right because nothing happens The thing is if I tell people and wait for my stuff, they start like being like, oh, he's lying Episode six numbridled rage and it's a black screen for two hours I think they'd be happy with that. You can just fill the time with Boring boring boring boring.  They could interpret it Metal gear solid five That's that's just that's it Okay, yeah, I agree. Is it good? It sucks, but does anyone play at that for a second? I thought yeah, he met us like oh I mean as a game mgs 5 is okay, but as a story, it's horrible like konami ruined the whole damn thing All right, I take it.  I take issue with that I take issue with it says jay. Do you want some girly peen? He clearly said he has some on his shelf I could always have more If you want really you still have girly peen so you you're wanting more girly peen not some girly peen They're referring to like lady boy penis. I don't know jay. It's terrifying Because I have enough. I don't I don't need more. I'm fine. Thanks Hi rags Hello Hello Hello Y'all the slow So I had a dream where you effed me. It says effed with me with my massive with your massive dong. It was a good dream overall Named our new guinea pig bilbo bagidius baggins In ifa of honor after that he almost bit my nipple off. That's natural That's just a certain dominance.   Seriously.  Whoever that is.  I've never seen you have an emotion before Explain it man. Which one was that so we can categorize it For emotion, uh, that was happy There was sober metal the worst kind of metal How much metal exactly do you command all of it? Except the girly pea except the girly peen ones. Well, those aren't made of metal. Yeah, those are yours. Yeah, they are Okay It's an angry chairman Just because it's long doesn't mean it's long bill bogus grota wobble Have you guys heard of macabre storytelling a youtuber who's rewriting the character oxford game of thrones character since season eight? I highly recommend him I have not heard of it and I wish the best of luck to the man Um, how much rags does it have? What what are you guys? What am I supposed to do with that 79 kilograms of rags? Seven out of three. What did he say the fraction or seven out of three? That was I said that and then he repeated it He was so drunk from three beers credit for the wrong fraction Like we need to whenever if I ever get to hang out with him in real life and be like, please drink three beers He'd be like, I'm happy with one and they're like, no, no, no There was a time there was a time like the moment he was just like no one was saying anything and he just went fishy fishy fishy He I don't know. You could probably make a compilation. He was out of his mind at the end of the 50th Oh, please someone make that compilation and send it to me please PC is a ripoff of android Nailed it. Hashtag. What is this? Hashtag Jim Stirling's left tit All right Okay, I can be trending on twitter Oh Here's a joke for the potential plot leaks for episode nine. Han appears as a forced ghost Unconfused that's not how the force works Han instantly vanishes I mean if he appears he's probably just gonna like smile and there'll be some stock footage from the previous film Prepare for the worst gentlemen prepare Oh, I'm ready to laugh Oh, yeah solid recommendation for it chapter two if you haven't seen it yet go see it your massives can't Yes I intended to see it on thursday and then friday and then saturday and then not today I'm sure I'll see it probably not at all at this point As someone who has no connection to it at all, which is me should I watch those movies at all? Yeah, they're really good.  Do you want to go see it? Sure All right, you walk to my cinema Okay All right, this is my first ever super chat.  It was jim sterling's left hit. That's the same profile I mean maybe that's the one they're referring to. That wasn't a waste. What do you mean? That was beautiful Uh, hi rags Hello. Hello. Sorry. I was reading something. It was on point. Damn it Here go buy a million star destroyers With 199 Keep It probably costs a little bit more than that especially because they have what is it like 100,000 people on them or whatever Some more than that less than that. I can't remember Hello guys. Mola. How you pronounce the latin part in my name is E-du-lon-a De-vac-que-de-vac-que Mark E-du-lon-a-de-vac-que Mark E-du-lon-a-de-vac-que.  Raw Uh bad in the form of a man When he dies from the fall we no longer have bad. Oh, that's genius Damn De-vac-que-de-vac-que. I don't know what that means Thing in chat. De-vac-vac. What do you guys reckon you guys know latin? Uh, I don't I don't speak dead languages De-varnit.  Why did you kill me?   Um Rags is the greatest critic because he lost his sight yet He can still see the movies spiritually and give accurate criticism. Thanks to rhino milk. Wow Is that rags back story? Yeah Sorry if this is a stupid question But I was wondering if you could explain why the higher frame rate of a game the better Yet more than 24 fps in film like the hobbit hits my brain Oh, you're gonna look for youtube videos that explain that it's a complicated subject Yeah, it's complicated as hell and I wish I could describe it Well, we could totally uh, we could totally give a shot if we were here for a long time But when there's not much point just look for youtube videos that break it down that are highly rated and you'll get your answers So the hobbit was too high frame rate though. It was 60. I believe or at least It was like 40 44 or 48 or something. It was just really weird Well, like I'll give you a short answer the reason that 60 is better on video games is because it's easier to react to Things on the screen where there's way more frames to see on the screen Plus it also affects your inputs even a little bit easier too because of 30 You're gonna have a more delayed input than you all a 60. That's the short end. That's the long and short of it But why is it bad for movies? Because we're not because you're not like putting inputs into a movie. It's not interactive. I like seeing high frame rates on movies Do you? Yes Oh, what's your reference? When I've seen high frame rates in movies. I'm like, hey, that looks smooth It looks like well with with high with high frame rate in like just watchable medium. It seems kind of like a I don't know like a like a documentary I don't know even then not even really a documentary about like a sitcom more like It's okay. Jay. Go look at youtube videos that tell you to change your opinions Oh Um, I only just finished watching the 50th. Y'all be crazy also high rags Hello Oh, hey, hello. Most people don't know what an efap is also high rags Hello, hello. Have any of you played the game tangle deep? If not, you really should it's the most fun I've had with the game in years also high rags Hello, hello. I've not heard of tangle deep. I'm afraid No, me neither Hackfraud media as a guest. Oh, yeah, we could probably do that. I wonder if you'd put on the voice or not I'm not against that. Yeah. Um, hey guys opinions on the tpp stuff with cp 2077 Excuse me I have no idea what that is when he says tpp. It's like trans-specific partnership But then he said all those other things and I'm like, uh, well cp 2077. I don't know what that is I have no clue. Um, yes Yes, yes, I agree Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder, but a genetic aberration All right, then I'd have to check what aberration means Um, who cares about the jaguars Uh, apparently hello grito Hi, I often listen to e-fab audio at work and thus miss out on the memes I looked for an e-fab meme page on facebook. It was unsuccessful. So I started one feel free to join too at e-fab posting on facebook There you go folks.  Sorry for the extremely offensive accent Do it again Oh cyberpunk 20 2077 cp, I get it Oh Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I really am So if it gets bought by epic is tpp gonna have a place in that game or is it affecting the game? I don't know What is tpp? Grand specific partnership as despul should sit Yes, I don't know how those two relate to each other. I'm pretty sure it's Well, if it's if it's cyberpunk, I'm pretty sure it's a different acronym then Oh, okay. Yeah, I just don't know anything about cyberpunk. So sorry chat Yeah, me neither, but metal loved you game of thrones video Oh, thank you. I worked really hard on that one.  That's terrible. Oh, man What about the tie me up? Ah, I get it because we're talking about ties Oh, there was today, right god damn it It's his original character tie fighter. Everyone loves it and it doesn't need a train to be the best Like, okay, fine. It was his original character It was the it was the tie fighters that The ugly duckling of tie fighters. Let's put it that way Um more like by fighter. Am I right? Finally an e-fap when I'm not working and have spare dollar How have you guys seen otakins tie fighter animation pre tfa? It has a badass girl character Nope, I've not seen it now. No girls can't be things Stop them before they be things Before they lay eggs That's that's what girls do, right? Yes And they don't even apologize Uh, finally getting to play allen wake. This is the one game. I've never spoiled for myself Quick it's the most bother Allen wake was uh, it was kind of interesting. I liked the concept. I like it. Um, yeah It's a vast school I guess it isn't good Yeah, it's it's decent.  I'm pretty sure it's uh been marked down plenty of times I just bought a playstation 4 to play the jack trilogy For a single player experience because i'm so starved of it.   I don't know what that is So, um, you know, Hideo Kojima of metal gear solid Hideous Kojima, that's a very Hideous Kojima The guy who did metal gear solid series Vaguely, I wouldn't be able to answer any question Okay, well he um after he left Konami He was given a studio with all the time he wanted all the money that he could need To make a project that he's always wanted to do and this fucking thing has been shrouded in mystery for years Nobody knows what this goddamn thing is And that is what's interesting about it That does sound interesting What is this really shit make the themes of the channel a statement in gadelb 3 it has been noted Uh, we need anime don smileyus dukeus 2019 bc Don smileyus dukeus See dukeus makes it sound like a poopy thing But i'm okay with this anyway Uh, yaman yosa is big massive. That's not something jaja ever said ridiculous Use very much in favor of massives. He would never disparage them Jamaican me massive grito confirmed for boomer I think you probably be okay with that. You're like, yeah, i'm a boomer Um, I feel so bad for him.  Yeah It's like that for anybody who doesn't know efab When's efab dictionary coming out? Um, please someone make efab dictionary. What do the memes mean? The memes may seem did you ever bloodu capture the coliseum rags? or um Hello There's just something to do with minecraft Oh, he says as the empire. Did you ever capture the coliseum, but it says bloodu And too That was my response to that question I demand the manager throws j out of efab Well, I'll talk to the manager about it. I guess Um, j what do you think about throwing j out of efab? Well, oh, that was easy. He didn't even say yes. He just left. That's pretty bad management Or is a good management weird originally meant something like fateful or something that was meant to happen Really? Their void changed the it got different Um, oh shit, uh The j guy came back. I can't really do anything about it guys. I'm sorry Yeah, what can we do?  Well, here you are Braggs, would you say tizm before massive? I don't know how you would answer that. I'll have to save that question I'm gonna I'm gonna say he would go massive first Really though, I don't know. I feel like that's subjective Yeah, like he would use either or depending on the I have Objective opinions. Okay. I can't be argued with Uh, did you see the video where helo grito goes to his wife's school dressed as a stormtrooper and high fives kids? No, but that sounds like it could be wholesome Yeah, it sounds wholesome. Yeah, definitely Uh, I really hope it is wholesome Jay mean some slash number of things median middle mode most Yes, yeah, obviously.  So Uh, just finish the 50th efab live stream and here you are already 60 minutes in the next eight hour event Jesus come down beep beep also high rags Hello. Hello. Also, what do you mean eight hour event? We're at five hours and it's probably gonna end in the next like one minute. I'm sure of it It won't be another three hours All right, right guys Also, yeah, well the metal has to leave at some point, right? You got work tomorrow That's a good point Oh, yeah, I have a job and responsibility. Fuck.  I will maybe attempt to to read slightly faster. I'm going to increase to 1.01 speed Oh, man, okay, movie pop punk man's going short I was at movie bob. That's like it's almost not anything. Oh my god We need to try and double movie bob next time and just see what the hell happened I just leave in a little bit. I just I just hang for a bit. I need to re refresh my sleeping schedule after this weekend It's More like thank you for the shout out during eFap It was awesome to bring something to the conversation appreciate all the hours of excellent content. No problems scorn I believe I read out something he said Uh, what killed the donna sores the brie age Get it. That's from mongo's big The donna sores He's referencing a very good film. It's an excellent film Great film, yeah Hi rags Hi Opinion on chasing squirrels Squirrels very fun I'm gonna save that and hopefully ask him at some point I've collected a lot of questions for people and I never ask them when they're here You'll have to save the ones that just say hi rags too. So he has to say hello to everyone. Oh, it ends with hi mohler. Hello Young rags mohler j and metal in math class or math class Sorry, uh, when will this be of any use to us math teacher when you're all on a random eFap episode?  Oh Who'da thought We went to a math class together, right? Yes, obviously Has rags fully recovered from akbar's theme? They say it's running to this day Bohmemean rhapsody. Oh, Bohmemean rhapsody. I think that's actually a twitter thing as well Don't worry people who sent stuff on twitter. Um, I have been collecting Much as I can I I was a bit spicy on twitter with with with um axon.  It's a meta mystery. I think Okay, so I don't kind of seem like a lot of people want to a lot of people want to review of it because ryan johnson I'm like guys don't watch this stuff But I mean, I'll probably watch it out of curiosity just because when people start talking about it I'd like to know what it what it is. There's a lot of captain america's in it. You know, that's worthwhile, right? I Am managed though Um, I stood up too late and showed up too late. I'm tired. Go follow metal commander on twitch. You beautiful massives He needs the help love you guys Was that james again? It was And yeah, uh, we'll make sure to plug away before just let me know when you want to leave them We'll talk about your little little twitch channel.  Yeah, whatever. I played big video games as well.  Yeah, that was just right.  Um I don't know Zimbabwe and rhinoceros milk cheese Monty python that I didn't want I don't remember that Zimbabwe and rhinoceros milk cheese. I don't know You're playing minecraft wrong patrick willams Okay, make that video like stop complaining about something to do with minecraft and then at one point say you're playing minecraft wrong What? Your big reference to Patrick Oh, that was me saying it That person Not a bad manager. You didn't even fire jay fishy fishy fishy that okay I really suggest a video called the empire was right by some massive called jim hus. He's like a smarter vision of remarkable republican He said vader saving his own son was an act of insanity I swear i've seen that and i'm pretty sure he says in it that it's a parody As far as I remember Oh, is he like trying to make the best arguments that you possibly could from that position? I swear it's I swear.  Is this a serious take and then seeing something that was like, oh, okay, clearly. It's not serious but I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm gonna chat said efap 100 when I'm not even in control. That's like when it's done. It's underway one month Yeah, I reckon we have to get through a couple of other episodes first all the numbers that come before I don't know. I don't know how to math or moths He's a character in mealy And in other super smash brothers Uh Hey massives, let's say I want to start watching game of thrones after what season should I stop if I don't want it to be ruined Season six is what people suggest you stop after that because um A lot of things a lot of pieces are in place to make an ending happen And you can you can just imagine it's so bad. I would possibly recommend the end of season four personally Oh, wow Preferably don't even watch the last episode of season four. Just stop at the Ninth episode and and just for even though it's kind of awkward. Just be like, yeah, that's where it ended. Okay But there's a lot of good stuff to get out of the later seasons in certain places specific places, but yeah Someone right like fan fiction for the rest of it and then intersperse the good clips from the show Posh pompous mohler is a joy more of him, please What are they referencing specifically with that? What do you reckon? um Is that is that the gadelp? Oh Fighters can tell the future, but only when water is wet Arguably long man bad is implied because subjective objectivity isn't the brightest bulb in the pack But anyways guys bill bow wagons And but anyways guys, that's a lot of memes Yeah Prediction for episode nine anakin will say it was lair who saved his soul. Half of the last trailer will be from a different dream sequence And someone will say the word star wars in the movie Oof. Oh my god. I I can believe that actually They needed to be like suicide score where they go. What are we some kind of star wars? That's not a staircase. It's a modern art piece I think I think rags achieved a lot with his uh, his blocks. I like them on a subject I'm in the chat.  It can be dug that way I do it all the time for quick digging and simple navigation. Yes. Thank you I wouldn't always have wood blocks 100 of the time Yes We don't need wood blocks make ladders. So you're wrong, but yes jay has been vindicated Even though i'm pretty sure he was right already Yeah, why farm cacti when you can't even milk them? Explain that plot whole jay Thoughts on hereditary. I liked it. Why are there loads of single letters in the chat right now?  Yeah, apparently I'm just drifting in and out because I think I've missed a lot of stuff You miss when you fired yourself? I know I was there for that You shouldn't have been there for that if you had to get yourself away from you Wait, yes Continue, um, but yes, I liked hereditary. I thought it was cool. I liked a lot of the ways to try to be a spooky I not a huge fan of the way they did the story. I think I would like to tweak a few things, but I appreciated The method in which they attempted to scare the audience and the pretty blatant subversive thing that happens in it I was watching that with alex.  I recommend them if you haven't I actually I'm not the last star wars game. I played was on the playstation It was like a brawler type side scroller. You got lightsabers.  What the like side scrolling where you just run around and beat people up the jedi night games I got sure uh, I thi