The US Senate is discussing a fresh bill which ties military funding to Ukraine and Israel to stricter border security policies, what are the proposals in the bill? COP28 ended and the reception has been kind of underwhelming. What came out of this summit and what does it mean for global health specifically? This is the daily debrief. These are your stories for the day. And before we go any further, if you're watching this on YouTube, please hit the subscribe button. The Joe Biden administration and Senate leaders are in frantic negotiations for a $110 billion proposal that earmarks funding for Ukraine and Israel's military funding. Republicans, though, have tied this to a stricter border security policy whose impact will be felt by immigrants and asylum seekers. Clearly for the US, fuelling never-ending wars globally is more important than addressing the issues of the poor who land up at its doorstep. We go to Anish for the details. Anish, thank you so much for joining us. So an earlier version of this bill did not make it through. So could you maybe first tell us a bit about what this bill is, what are the provisions and what is really the bone of contention? Well, the bill would actually deal with three things, which two would be basically military aid to Ukraine and Israel. And this third factor would be funding for border security and immigration policy, basically. So that is also considered as part of the extended part of US defense and military budget. This will be a supplemental bill because the main NDA has been passed already and it will be signed into law by next week anyway. So that won't be an issue. But in the previous one, the major contention that the Republicans raised was A, positive money, but B, which was the biggest contention of that, which was that the border policy was not stringent enough under the Biden administration. So they pretty much use the funding for Ukraine and Israel, which are pretty much at this point cornerstones of US foreign policy right now, as you know, held it hostage and use that to bargain for a massive right to worship when it comes to border policy. And that is pretty much back on the table from whatever reports that we are seeing, the Biden administration is ready to make significant compromises just so that he can send billions and billions of dollars to these two essentially war zones. And you know, prolong and continue the wars there rather than actually, you know, deal with more humane, have a more humane policy for asylum seekers. And this is pretty much the kind of situation that we're in where, you know, obviously the issue should be something else, the fact that there is a continuous war being waged that there has been already more than $110 billion being spent on Ukraine so far, since the beginning of the war, and nothing has been gained out of it. You know, even, you know, the territories gained are pretty much just very minimal and has no strategic value so far. And so at this point in time, the fact that the US government wants to add another $40 billion into the war clearly shows that their priorities are quite off at this point in time. Anish, moving to the border security aspect, what are the Republicans really demanding at this point? So there are a couple of demands, but basically they want to make it far more difficult for asylum seekers to actually gain any kind of asylum, basically, or even, you know, apply for asylum to begin with. They want to make it significantly more difficult than it was under Trump. We must remember that Biden did reverse some of the provisions under the Trump era, border security policies, especially, you know, when it comes to separation of children. There has been some reforms. It was not a complete rollback, but there has been some changes. But what we're seeing right now is that Biden is most likely to move back to that very Trump era policy. There is a provision being asked and which is also a bigger contention for some of the so-called progressives within the Democrats, which is a safe country or a third safe country provision whereby if you pass through that country, you are most likely to be not eligible for asylum in the United States, and you will be sent back to that country, obviously. And this is definitely going to be a bigger problem because obviously that means you'll have to also deal with, you know, sovereignty issues of another country to begin with. Nevertheless, these are some of the very essential, very Trump era policies that the Republicans have pretty much taken on as, you know, a very sort of ideological policy structure framework for them with the coming election season next year. So this is definitely something that they are going to push for and they will be holding the funding for, you know, essentially what a perpetual was at this point in time to make way for it. So Biden has pretty much been using his foreign policy matters and including Ukraine as, you know, the cornerstone for their, you know, to show that U.S. has been projecting more military power to the electorate and considering his failing popularity in recent months. This is going to be a situation where Biden is probably going to make more compromises and probably revert back to the Trump era policy, even if it means alienating a good section of the Democrats themselves. So we'll have to wait and see for the next week, but these are kind of what the indication that we can see right now the direction that the U.S. government is choosing to go for. They would rather go for wars than actually take in and help asylum seekers who desperately need asylum because of what they have created in these countries as well. So that is the situation that the priorities are completely off, obviously, but for them, obviously, that makes complete sense. Thank you so much, Anish, for talking to us. The 28th edition of the Conference of Parties, the annual summit where we take stock of efforts to counter climate change concluded in Dubai on Wednesday. The responses have been quite underwhelming. While the final declaration did mention the need to transition from fossil fuels, there were lots of loopholes which will defeat the spirit of the announcement. The conference also saw a special reference to health in the context of climate change. To get a sense of these discussions, we go to Ana Vrachar. Ana, thank you so much for joining us. So first of all, COP 28 concluding, of course, what are the highlights? I mean, quite a lot of interesting debates around terminology and phrases that made it to the final discussion. So how would you see the last couple of days? Well, I think that for many, the meeting ended up with some disappointment or big disappointment, as you want to take it, because there was no actual concrete financial commitment to transition away from fossil fuels. So the absence of this phasing out of fossil fuels was what Manny said, was a highlight of the outcomes of the COP 28. And that essentially that left us in a very bad place because we have seen delegates claiming that they are still committed to achieving the 1.5 degree goal. And yet we are not seeing any concrete steps being taken towards the thing that can take us as close to that goal as we can get. And then that of course reflected also on many of the other side discussions that were going on, one of which was of course health. So as we talked about here before, COP 28 was actually the first COP where we saw health being explicitly put on the agenda as an important topic to address as we discuss the climate breakdown. And so it's also important because we know that this was the biggest COP. So I think it was the biggest COP overall, which we have seen with over 100,000 people attending and notably some 2400 fossil fuel lobbies being there in the room. So unsurprisingly also the health declaration, which the delegates ended up supporting was also marked by this absence of the commitment to the phasing out of fossil fuels. But then on the other hand, many have pointed out that having a health resolution adopted by so many countries over 100, close to 125 was a big thing because we didn't actually see this kind of commitment before. So what needs to be said is the declaration that they signed is not a binding document so they can choose to implement what they want. But on the other hand, it does state that climate change has severe impacts on health. So it does encourage some action that can lead us to better help. This includes changes to the food systems that we have in order to make healthy food more accessible, a closer choice to many people. It includes references to just transition and other health related measures. But of course then when it comes to the implementation, it needs to be seen what will happen. So the bet is that most countries, specifically high income countries which have stalled for so many years will actually not be taking any significant step when it comes to this. And that essentially the stalling that we have seen when it comes to the funding to offering support to the lower income countries which are dis-proportionate effect of climate change will be repeated here as well. Right and I've talked about this before but I think it's important to go back to it again because when you talk about climate change, we often think about the rising sea levels, the kind of natural disasters. But why is, you know, how do we sort of factor in the health aspect here? And what are the kind of impacts that we're looking at to health infrastructure to public health in general because of climate change? Well, there was a recent report in the UK which looks specifically at that. And, you know, what the report says is that we are actually already seeing the health impacts and that in the UK people can expect some major change coming up in the coming years because of climate change. So this spans a range of factors. Of course, you know, we have to talk about the increased danger of wildfires, of droughts, of floods that come hand in hand. And that these will also appear in places where we haven't seen them so much before including in the UK. Then of course, adding to that, one has to keep in mind that as temperatures rise, so essentially the place becomes more prone to the appearance of certain diseases. This includes vector-borne diseases. So one other danger that the people in the UK are facing is that they will be seeing diseases which are not there as of now. So this includes dengue, this includes the West Nile virus. So this is all likely to happen even if we do meet the 1.5 degree goal. Of course, if we talk about surpassing that goal, which seems to be the case considering the kind of progress that countries have made on this front for now, things will get much, much, much worse. And what the report also highlights, I think it's interesting to note that those who will anyway be the most exposed to the effects of climate change and to the adaptation that we have to factor in as climate change comes in, are those who are now in their working age. So those who will be retiring by 2050 when they speak of the effects is expected if keeping up with the 1.5 goal, but also the children who are being brought today. So it's important to think about that the children who are essentially, who haven't taken any part in the world until now, so they will be the ones who will be working at that point of time. And they will be forced to go through major adaptation to the lifestyle and to essentially dealing with this burden caused by climate change. Right. Thank you so much Anna for talking to us. And that's all we have in this episode of the Daily Debrief. We'll be back tomorrow. In the meantime, do visit our website peoplesdispatch.org and follow us on all the social media platforms.


جزالله بالخيرات عنا أئماتا لنا نقال القرآن عزبا وسلسالا فمنهم بدور سابعة قتوى ساطط سماء العلا والعاد لزهرا وكمالا إن شاء الله تعالى now I'm gonna go into the importance أهمية علم القرات the importance of علم القرات and the virtue and the benefit of learning علم القرات I wanna first start by saying the previous prophets that Allah سبحانه وتعالى sent they were sent to their people every prophet that came they came to address their people ولي ذلك you find in the Quran يا قوم عبد الله my people worship Allah whereas نبي الله محمد he wasn't just sent to the Arabs he was sent all mankind رسول الله سبحانه وتعالى سيزن القرآن وما أرسلناك إلا كافة للناس بشيرا ونذيرة ولكن أكثر الناس لا يعلمون الله سبحانه وتعالى سيزن is best وما أرسلناك محمد we have not sent you وما أرسلناك إلا كافة للناس بشيرا ونذيرة محمد we sent you to all mankind and we sent you to do two things to give glad tidings to those who follow you and adhere to your commandments and to warn those who go against your prohibitions or go against your commands sorry and they go against your your instruction to warn those people from the hellfire from that we learned the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was sent to all mankind but the people that the messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم was with at that time the Abuwami majority of them were Arabs and the Arabs they were different types of people they had different types of dialects they spoke differently فالعرب قبائل شتة the Arabs are different tribes لكل قبيلة and every single tribe has a language درجة على نطقي بها and every single tribe they have a particular type or a particular way in which they talk and it's not very easy for any tribe to change their speech and their pronunciation and their articulation of words it's hard for example أهلو نجد that consists of تميم and قيس and أسد for example they do إمالة can you mean on إمالة meaning إمالة الألف إلى الياء or إمالة الفتحة إلى كسرح like جنة we have إمالة in our إبطراء حفصة عاصم مجرها that's إمالة right the people of تميم and قيس and أسد they do إمالة we're on the other side لغة الحجاز their language is الفتحة the people of تميم يهميز and قريش لا يهميز they don't do همس this shows you that the way that these people spoke was different so it wasn't easy for them to be given all one way of reciting the Qur'an and so Allah SWT allocated for that it's narrated that the Prophet SAW was at the Adati of Bani Ghaifar that our messenger SAW he was at a revulet or a tank of Bani Ghaifar so he came to Dibreel SAW Dibreel came to the Prophet SAW and Dibreel said to the Prophet SAW إن الله يأمروك أن تقرأ أمتك الله سبحانه وتعالى is commanding you Muhammad to recite onto your people the Qur'an على حرفٍ in one dialect then the messenger SAW and Satchel Dibreel أسأل الله معافاته ومغفراته I seek Allah I seek Allah's pardoning and forgiveness the Prophet SAW he said I seek الله سبحانه وتعالى as pardoning and forgiveness وإن أمتي لا تطيقوا ذلك but my people they are not able to recite the Qur'an in one dialect because they are Arabs and many people they can't all recite in one way ثم أتاهوا الثانية then Dibreel returned the second time and then he said to the Prophet إن الله يأمروك أن تقرأ أمتك the Qur'an على حرفٍ الله سبحانه وتعالى is commanding you Muhammad to recite on your people the Qur'an in two dialects فقال the Prophet SAW he said أسأل الله معافاته ومغفرته I ask Allah سبحانه وتعالى his pardoning and his forgiveness وإن أمتي لا تطيقوا ذلك my ummah is not able to do that يعني my ummah are large in number they have different dialects they have different methods of speaking the articulation of words is different and vast they vary in that matter for them all to be told to recite in two dialects that's not something my ummah can do ثم جاء الثالثة he returned on the third occasion فقال he said to the Prophet إن الله يأمروك أن تقرأ أمتك the Qur'an على ثلاثة أحرفٍ الله سبحانه وتعالى is instructing you to recite the Qur'an in three dialects then the Muslim SAW he said أسأل الله معافاته ومغفرته I seek refuge I seek الله سبحانه وتعالى is pardoning and his forgiveness but but that said my ummah is not able to do that my ummah cannot recite the Qur'an in three dialects it's still too little my ummah are large in number my ummah vary in their speech and their words and what they say they're different فقال ثم جاء الرابعة and on the fourth occasion and on the fourth occasion جيبريد returned and he said to the Prophet SAW إن الله يأمروك أن تقرأ أمتك القرآن على سبعة أحرف on the fourth occasion جيبريد came down and he said to the Prophet SAW إن الله يأمروك أن تقرأ أمتك الله سبحانه وتعالى is commanding you to recite and تقرأ أمتك القرآن على سبعة أحرف to recite on your people the Qur'an in seven dialects فأيما حرف قرأوا عليه قد أصابوا and whichever of those which ever of those whichever of those dialects in which they recite in they have got it right they are accurate and they are precise so this hadith it shows that the Arabs and their variation in speech and that the سبعة أحرف in which we are going to speak about بإذن الله الكريم was a رخسة it was to make it easy for the people when it comes to reciting the Qur'an whichever of it is easier for you you can recite it in and all of them come from الله سبحانه وتعالى so this shows us the importance of learning the different types of variations in the Qur'an because of the fact that you may not be able to recite the Qur'an because of the different types of variations in the Qur'an because of the fact that you may not be able to recite in one because it's hard for you but another one might be easy for you and إن شاء الله وتعالى we are going to speak about the relationship between the 7 أحرف and the 7 قراءات إن شاء الله وتعالى we will speak about what they both are are they the same is one what does the أحرف contain the قراءات how does it work we will explain that إن شاء الله وتعالى don't worry about it even in the night so I want to mention a statement of إبن حزم that really points out the importance of علم القراءات because that's what we're talking about here إبن حزم أحمد الله he said تم طلب علم القراءات learning the Qur'an and seeking the knowledge of the Qur'an واختلاف السبعة and the differences between the 7 reciters فيه وضبت قراءاتهم and mastering and being precise of recitations he said كله فرضو فرضون على الكفاية all of that is a communal obligation it's not an individual obligation it's a communal obligation meaning if a group of people learn the 7 قراءات or they learn the 10 قراءات and it's preserved إن شاء الله وتعالى the rest of the ummah are not sinning and they are not in the fault or any error but if the whole أباندن قراءات then we are all sinners but as long as there's a group of people standing up to study it the burden is lifted from the rest so it's فرضون على الكفاية وفضلون عظيم اللي من طلبه he said and it's a great reward for whoever goes out to seek the knowledge of قراءات إن كان في بلدي if you land you're in you reside in there are little people who've actually studied it or even if there are a lot of people it doesn't matter if you are learning علم القراءات and you're learning the Quran ابن حزم رحم الله he said it's a lot of reward and he mentions the reward comes from the Hadith of the Prophet ﷺ خيروكم من تعلم القرآن وعلمه the best of you is the one who learns the Quran and he teaches the Quran فكفها بلالك فضل الله this is enough to show you the virtue of learning علم القرآن and the importance of learning علم القرآن that you are going to be from the best of people خيروكم the best of you is the one who learns the Quran and teaches it شيقو الإسلامي ابن التهيمي I also spoke about this issue the importance of علم القرآن and how it's necessary to learn علم القرآن and he showed رحم الله a principle that's stated by the scholars العبادات التي وردت على أكثر من سيغة فالسنة أن يأتي بهذه تارة والأخر تارة شيقو الإسلامي التهيمي he mentions the principle which is if a عبادات comes in different forms a particular عبادة has been transmitted to us from the Prophet but it has come in different forms he says that the sunnah is that you come with this sometimes and you alternate between it and whenever you see شيقو الإسلامي التهيمي bring this قاعدة he generally uses three things the تشهدات the استفتاحات and the قراءات these three شيقو الإسلامي always makes the example for it the استفتاحات means when the Prophet used to start the prayer there were different types of دعاز in which the Prophet would make it is best to learn all of them so you can vary between them sometimes start with this one the same is with the تشهدات the تشهدات that has come from the Prophet are different there are many different weddings to learn all of them in order for you to always have خشوع in your prayer the same applies with the قراءات the Prophet has recited the Quran in many different ways okay learning them and studying them in order to change your recitation sometimes read with قراءات sometimes read with شعبة sometimes recite with other recitations alternate between that العبادات التي وردت على أكثر من سيغة فالسنح أن يأتي بهذه تارة والأخرى تارة ومن ما يدل على أهمية علم قراءات أشياء أخرى أهمية علم قراءات وأنها أفضل أهمية علم أنه لا يستغني عنه أحد who is in the sciences of تفسير and فق and حديث أن نحو أن لغة he cannot be without علم قراءات you are a Mufassir you have to know علم قراءات you are a Faki a jurist you need علم قراءات you are a Muhaddith a scholar of Hadith you need علم قراءات you are a Nahwi a grammarian you need علم قراءات why لتعلقه بهذه العلوم جميع علم قراءات is connected to all of these sciences intermingled with it rather it is connected to just about science within Islam علم قراءات comes into it why would it not it is a speech of Allah سبحانه وتعالى now insha'Allah I am going to insha'Allah prove give you examples so you can understand the relationship the Quran has and how it impacts and how important it also is for the individual who is going to do تفسير of the Quran I am also going to mention it is for the person who wants to do thick rulings that he must know قراءات I am also going to mention how علم قراءات is necessary for the person who wants to study Arabic grammar and how it impacts the Arabic language and last but not least how علم قراءات has an impact on عقيدة so it is a science that is very important let me give you some examples for you to see how it is all interconnected الله سبحانه وتعالى و لو فتحنا عليهم بابا من السماء فضلوا فيه يعرجون لا قالوا إنما سكرت أبصارنا بل نحن قوموا مسكورون we have a recitation that I recited which is the recitation of the reciters but there are some reciters like ابن كثير who recites it he doesn't say إنما سكرت أبصارنا rather what he says is إنما سكرت أبصارنا بتخفيف he doesn't make it hard and this actually impacts the meaning of that word the first meaning it will be according to according to the majority of the scholars the overwhelming majority of scholars who recited it بتشديد is the word سكرت means سدت أبصارنا our eyes have been blocked whereas if you read it بتخفيف the قراءة of ابن كثير it becomes سكرت أبصارنا a spell has been passed over our eyes the verses compliment one another in meaning they don't contradict one another but you get two magnificent meaning from two different recitations let me give you another example الله سبحانه وتعالى وما هو على الغيب بالضانين وما هو على الغيب بالضانين there's two recitations there's a recitation of ابن كثير who recited it بالضاء ضاء عين recited it as بالضانين according to that recitation the meaning means وما هو على الغيب بالضانين means محمد is not one that is suspected he's not one that is suspected if we read it بالضاء according to the قراءة of ابن كثير but if we read it according to the قراءة of the الباقول بالضاء it becomes the meaning بيبخيل وما هو على الغيب بالضانين means a بيبخيل محمد is not one who is stingy with this information and this knowledge that he has he's not one that is stingy محمد will definitely share it so what we've just taken is two examples of how the قراءة affected the تفسير and how the مفصل is in need of قراءة now I'm going to give you an example of how the فقيه the pastor who is studying who is into how علم القراءة also impacts them. I'm just going to give one example إن شاء الله we have two recitations وقارأ الباقول which is the قراءة of نافع وقارأ الباقول and the overwhelming majority of the قراءة among the large amount of the قراءة or the other قراءة they recited it as بالجري وارجولي there's those two affect the meaning yes they do according to the نصب وارجولاكم it means wash the leg it's then عبت فاقصول وجوهكم وايديكم that's what it's connected to so you're going to say washing the legs that is if you say وارجولاكم which is what we recite حفظة ناصف if you recite it as وارجوليكم it's connected with what وارجوليكم it's talking about wiping the legs and when is it that you wipe your legs وارجوليكم not your leg not your leg or the جورب so on those two قراءة we have two different rulings taken from it the قراءة of نصب which is the قراءة of نافع or the leg and the other قراءة the other قراءة who recited it بالجري we take from it wiping over the جورب now I want to show the relationship for the Arabic language and the القراءة how important it is for the scholar of the Arabic language and who's studying the Arabic language who's studying grammar how important it is for that person as the scholars have stated and mentioned the scholar of the Arabic language who's studying the Arabic language who's into the Arabic language one thing he doesn't have is that how the Arabs pronounce things the issue of pronunciation has not been transmitted to the person in the Arabic language and we don't know how the Arabs said this word with their mouth we know the the but what we don't know is the the إضغام we don't know that that is preserved through the Qur'an like I've mis-e-led two for example but they took it from the قراءة they borrowed it from the قراءة and they said وَاكْسِرْ أَوِشْ مِنْ فَأَثْلَاتِ وَعِلْ عَيْنَنْ وَضَمْ مُنْ جَاكَ بُؤْعَ فَحْتُ مِلْ where did he get that from the issue of pronunciation he got it from the قراءة because that's not present علم النحو or sarf does not deal with how something is pronounced the way that the word is set on the lips it's not إضغام إضحار they take it from they take it from علم القراءة for that I'm not sure he said وَاكْسِرْهَا وَاكْسِرْهَا وَاكْسِرْهَا لَدَّا كَسْرِهَا وَضَمْن رِجَالَا لِتَكْمُولَةَ وَحِيلَ بِإشْمَامٍ وَسِيقَ كَامَا رَسَا وَسِيقَ وَسِيقَ كَانَ رَوِهِ أَمْبَلَةَ وَسِيقَ كَانَ رَوِهِ أَمْبَلَةَ المسألة الإشْمَام is owned by the قراءة and it's borrowed from them put into grammar another example I want to give that shows the relationship between نحو and the question that the grammarians speak about a lot which is is it permissible جواز والأطفع يدون إعادة الجاري for example ام I love to say that without saying I don't repeat I don't bring back the I say ام ام ها is that right is that fair you can only say when there's a necessity for it you can't say other than that the coofy came back and said was a problem وزيديم you can say without having to say what bezadim and our evidence for that is على حبيب الزيجات شاطبي says همسائلوا وحمزت والأرحام بالخفض جملة لاني وحمزت والأرحام بالخفض جملة بعض البيت يأي بنس تقر ببقو ملذي خلقك من نفسه واحده وخلق منها زوجها منهما رجالا كثيرا ونساءا واتقوا الله الذي تساءلون به والأرحامي حمزة ابن حبيب الزيات بسيطلي like that وانيسا قراءة which is متبعى قراءة so it's allowed it's actually a recitation of the Qur'an so the Basriyun was silenced based on a recitation قراءة ولذلك ابن اماريك rejected the argument of the Basriyun وانيسا وعود خافضي لدى عط فين على ضميري خافضي اللازمان قد جو علا وليس عندى اللازمان ارقد اتها في النظم والنثر الصحيح متبتى لن تقصد ذلك منهم لأن قراءة سبعية لقد حصلت على هذه الأشياء لقد تقرأت ما هو right from what is wrong لقد تقرأت كل شيء مننا هذا يظهر لك العلاقة بين القراءات ولوبة العربية وماذا عن القراءات بين القراءات وعقيدة؟ هل يوجد فكتر عقيدة؟ يجب أن يفعل يجب أن يفعل قوله تعالى اياه الله سبحانه وتعالى بل عجيب تا ويسخرون قراءة حمزة انكسائي is بل عجيب تو بل عجيب تا so what's the difference? 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Good morning, everybody. I guess we could start with the session. It's 1.45. This is primarily a session for targeting at business owners or freelancers who try to work around Drupal. This is not a developer-targeted session. So a bit of interaction about myself. I run a Drupal company, one of the largest Drupal companies based out of India. We have a subsidiary here in Australia. And I have been very active in the free software space as an activist, trying to promote free software in general and Drupal in particular for the last nine years. I'd like to thank the organizers of the conference for giving me this opportunity to stand before you and share my thoughts on how better we as organizations or commercial organizations in free software space work together for the betterment of the community, for the betterment of the project, and for the people involved in the project. Before I go into the details, we want to look at the context where we sit. So if you look at the global IT industry, we are looking at approximately US dollar 1 trillion. And 42% of this market resides in the US alone. The web design industry is around $50 billion globally. That is 5% of that. And the CMS market share is approximately 38% of all websites run on some sort of CMSs.  And this CMS industry, which would include all the enterprise CMSs as well as open source CMSs, would total around US dollar 7 billion. So this is the space that we as businesses work in. And this is a pie that we are looking at currently. Drees has been trying to push efforts towards growing the Drupal market as a whole and getting larger enterprises to take on Drupal to move it from a small and medium solution space to a space where large companies like Accenture, IBM starts promoting and supporting Drupal as a core solution. So like mentioned earlier, Drupal sits in the space where it's competing with other open source CMSs, proprietary CMSs, as well as proprietary custom solutions that target the web industry. And when we say we, we're talking about exclusive Drupal companies, companies which work with Drupal as well in addition to other solutions, freelancers who work in the space, and then PHP developers who also do Drupal. So this would cover the set of people who commercially make use of Drupal and work in the space. And on top of working with Drupal alone, we're on top of working with Drupal. There are these things that actually brings a sense of community amongst us. That is, we just, we not only work on it, we contribute to Drupal. All of us like to see Drupal grow as an ecosystem. All of us like to see Drupal grow as a community. We would want to see our clients succeed or drive their businesses leveraging on the strengths of Drupal. And on top of it being business owners or people making money out of Drupal, we would also want to see that our businesses grow along with Drupal. If you look more closer, the reason why we stand together as a community is not because we see Drupal as a technical solution. We see the sense of the community behind Drupal. Drupal supposedly has one of the best communities. So if you have worked closely with Drupal and people who contribute and who develop on Drupal, people talk about Drupal not just as a solution or not just as a technology or a piece of code, or a chunk of code. People talk about Drupal as something that's alive, something that they love. So that is what actually brings together or holds together this community, very helpful. One of the most helpful open source communities out there is the Drupal community. And that is why we look at this from a sense that we kind of love Drupal for what it is and the community behind it. We love to contribute to Drupal. We love to collaborate as a community around Drupal and to build Drupal through the process. And we would want to see Drupal grow in its market share, which is essential if you would want to see Drupal succeed as a commercial solution in the market, which something large enterprises would take on without having to think twice about support or about competencies in the market, about viability, about how long the solution is going to last. So in all, we love, so this is the element of love that keeps us together. When we say us here, I'm actually trying to create a subset of the set of people that I've mentioned earlier. Of all the people who work with Drupal, there is a subset who would actually love Drupal to this level where they would want to see Drupal grow as a community, where they would want to see Drupal grow as a platform, both in terms of its reach, as well as its strengths. When we say we again, most Drupal companies or most commercial entities work around Drupal. The sizes of the organizations are pretty small. There's a huge number of freelancers out there into working as consultants or freelancers for other companies or contractors. Then there's a large set of companies that are 10 or so, less than 10 people strong. Most Drupal companies would be less than 30 people strong. Very few companies in the 3,200 size range and they're a handful of companies above 100 plus employees in strength. In general, so these are all, I mean, if you look at large IT enterprises, these can be considered small companies. Say if you talk about large or huge mammoth companies and huge ones like Infosys, Accenger, IBM, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people working for these companies in IT solutions. So even 100 or even a 500 doesn't look very big when you look at an Infosys or an IBM.  The competition among the companies which work in Drupal is around getting a small chunk of this small pie, small chunk of the small chunk of the large pie. If we could instead focus on how better we as a commercial ecosystem can work together to build this pie or build this chunk of this larger pie which Drupal occupies, then we have something that is going to be beneficial for everybody involved in the process. The concept that I'm trying to pitch here is not radical or not new and definitely not something that is strange in the non-commercial space where people actually collaborate to build Drupal. I mean, the whole ecosystem was built out of the collaboration. What I'm talking about here is about collaborating from a commercial perspective. Like mentioned earlier, Drupal companies are still mostly small companies. Then, as a technology, Drupal has certain inherent challenges that tends to keep companies small. One I would imagine you would all know is that Drupal has a very steep learning curve. People talk about learning curves like this, learning curves like this. Drupal actually has a learning curve like this. So it's kind of difficult to go up the learning curve and reach the plateau. So that kind of forces or that kind of, that has a force that tends to make organizations small in terms of its ability to hire and grow the organization, hire and train resources, build large organizations. IBM can hire 10,000 employees a month, take them through a training course of three months and then have them into production in three to six months time. We can't imagine us doing that in Drupal. You hire 10,000 people and train them for three years and then get them into production in three years. So that's the kind of difficulties that you face when you look at Drupal on the technology phase. So the strength of Drupal, which is its unbelievably powerful APS system, very modular scalable platform, that strength itself is a weakness from a business perspective. There is still huge scope for penetration of Drupal into the web phase and growth of the total Drupal market. The reason again is because Drupal is a very powerful platform. It is, Drupal 8 is being pitched as an ideal enterprise platform that any company would and should be confident about taking on. Which is why Dries has again been trying to push Drupal as a solution for large IT vendors so that there is now support, not just from small companies, but large IT vendors who can actually support other large enterprises who try to move into Drupal. So the solution to the growth challenge, like I mentioned earlier, the challenge that we are looking at here is a growth challenge, both for the market as a whole and for us as businesses working around Drupal. So the solution again is collaborating, collaboration among commercial entities around Drupal. So we have, over the last 200 years, we have seen that capitalism, the driving force behind capitalism is competition. Competition between industries to provide better and cheaper services to the market is what has driven capitalism and what has kind of grown, helped the world grow to what it is right now. But what we are looking at here is the concept of collaborating among commercial entities. Why do we have to collaborate? Mentioned earlier, because it's a tough world for small companies. There is stiff competition among Drupal companies, both for projects as well as for resources. Then large companies, when they start getting and taking on Drupal projects, they look at taking on the manpower from the market and because it's extremely difficult, it takes very long to train resources in Drupal, it's easier to hire from the market from smaller companies. So there's a challenge for smaller companies to keep resources. And then obviously there are inefficiencies of small size. If you have a 1,000 man team, you can easily talk about a sales team of 30 people or so. And that can help the efficiency in the sales and marketing process. But if you talk about a team of 10 people, it's very difficult to think of a sales team. Your CEO would actually be doing marketing, sales, administration, coordination, a lot of these things. So there are a lot of inefficiencies of small size that will come into play when you're a small organization. Again, mentioned earlier, it's even more difficult because it's shortage of competent developers in the market and because of the steep learning curve and the cost associated with training. Why collaborate? It makes very good business sense to think of collaboration around this limitation of small sizes. Collaboration will allow organizations to overcome the size, challenges related to the size. Say, it could use competencies from a wider range of people. So suppose an organization is very good at, a five-man organization is very good at solutions around panels. Another two-man organization is very good at performance. A freelancer is very good at security. So this set of people from these multiple organizations or multiple individuals and organizations could come together and offer a comprehensive solution to a client that is looking at a solution that covers all these areas. Whereas individually, this solution or these organizations would not be able to cater to that client. And a client would ideally want to deal with just one vendor when they're looking for a solution. Then, as mentioned earlier, coming together will lower the cost of marketing and sales. Be it a one-man organization or a 10-man organization or a 50-man organization, there's going to be an effort, a fixed overhead effort that is involved in the marketing and sales process. If you have people come together, this fixed overhead could be shared between multiple individuals. Say, I get 100 leads a month. I am able to process only, or I am able to take on only 10 of them or 15 of them because of the nature of the queries that come in. What do I do with the rest of them? My marketing cost involved in generating these queries, it's fixed irrespective of whether I process 15 of them or 50 of them. Now, 50 to 85 of those leads which I reject could actually be taken up by a freelancer whose operational costs are going to be much lower than mine. I have an organization which is 70 people strong. A freelancer doesn't have to have the kind of overhead that me as an organization would have to cover and the size of the project. I wouldn't be able to take on a $2,000 project. It would make sense for me to take that project on. But a freelancer would be comfortable taking that on. And so that lead which I generated could actually be used by a freelancer who could take on that lead without having to absorb the cost on marketing. Then as mentioned earlier, when people come together, the ability to pool resources together, the ability to pool capabilities together will allow these organizations to take on larger projects, projects that actually require a wider range of capabilities and in the process, offer a better value proposition to the client. Then again, so our business is based off India and we have an office here in Melbourne as well. So we're looking at the world which is where the delivery model is not necessarily purely local alone. There are models, I mean, most of the manufacturing in the world now happens in China, whether countries like that or not, that is a reality of the life. So if you want to leverage on the price, on the cost side of things, on the pricing side of things, there are models that will allow organizations to leverage on the cheaper options in terms of development, options in terms of making resources available right next to the client. So I have a client in the Middle East. I would rather have some vendor or a freelancer in the Middle East offer real-time support to the client than have it done from India. If my client is in the US, I would rather have somebody in the US or Canada or even South America offer real-time support to the client. So leverage on lower cost models and also models that will allow you to leverage on the distributed model. Leveraging, working together as commercial entities is good for Drupal assets. So what I've mentioned earlier is why is it good for us as businesses? It's also good for Drupal asset. The more successful Drupal companies are, the more it will drive the growth of the Drupal ecosystem. We would want more successful Drupal companies in the market so that more clients would be happy to move into Drupal. More clients who are looking for support will be able to find more competent developers in the market. More successful Drupal companies will also drive the process where people are trained in Drupals. If there are only 10 companies in the market and each of these 10 companies have 100 people each, you're only looking at 1,000 Drupal developers in the market. And maybe 10% of that will get trained every year. If we increase the number to 10,000, we're now looking at 1,000 new developers trained in Drupal every year. I do not imagine organizations taking on training costs that are more than 10% of their operating expenses. Better margins and profits for companies who love Drupal would definitely drive better contributions to Drupal. Companies which are small and struggling will find it extremely difficult to contribute because for them, existence would be a far more critical problem than contributions. Even if you love contributing back, you would rather ensure that you stay afloat than worry about contributing. Yes, contributions will definitely help in the process of staying afloat. But the key problem that small companies would primarily be looking at would be their survival and existence. So the more small companies survive and excel in the market, the better it is for Drupal in terms of contributions that come from organizations. So again, I would want to mention here that contributions from individuals would not really be affected whether companies do well or not because they do it out of their passion, they do it out of their free time. If organizations start contributing, they would actually be paying for the contributions. It's not like contributions will have to come from free time of employees who are for organizations. Organizations would and should be willing to pay for contributions through people who are paid for by the organization. More successful Drupal companies will mean that more clients and growth of the larger Drupal market. So I mentioned earlier that there is this us which is a subset of the larger we there. This us that we are talking about is companies who love Drupal, companies who contribute financially as well as through code and activities, companies who claim to love Drupal and demonstrate this through their actions financially or through code and activities. Companies which would like to see Drupal and its community grow. These are the companies that would, companies that should collaborate around Drupal. So I've listed out some of these models where organizations can grow, collaborate together. This is not an exhaustive list. These are just thoughts that I have jotted down but these are areas where organizations working in the Drupal space would and should be able to think more about. So some of the models that I've listed out are partnerships and joint ventures, forming of consortiums, sharing of resources, sharing of information leads and collaterals, joint effort towards contributions, joint effort towards productivity. And I'll go through each of these. I'm sure most of you would be familiar with these different models. These are not new models that I am creating here. These are models that are out there in the market that are used by other commercial entities in the market. Partnerships and joint ventures are new entities that are created, or the special purpose vehicles, created to quantitize the relationship between multiple organizations, to take on specific projects in specific areas. Here you're talking about sharing of information about leads, joint pursuit of leads by multiple organizations. I come across a project from, say, the United Nations or World Health Organization and I'm not big enough to take on that project. So I float this JV with this partner company to create an organization that is bigger and which has larger set of capabilities to take on that project. And then pitch for that project as that joint venture. Pulling together of resources. So once you have the JV floated, you are not looking at individual organizations with small set of people. You're looking at a combined organization with that combined set of manpower. In JVs, you would already have defined the cost structures and the structures through which the revenue would be shared between the companies that are part of the JV. Consortiums are another way of doing things. JV is a very formal structured relationship which is kind of a long-term relationship. Both companies come together, invest into building a new entity. Here we are talking about consortiums where multiple companies or multiple organizations come together around specific projects that are probably or likely beyond the capabilities of individual organizations. But again, consortiums are targeted very specific opportunities. If you look at construction of airports or ports, huge projects, huge infrastructure projects out there, they're mostly done through consortiums of large groups of companies. These are projects that are probably worth billions of dollars each and not necessarily within the capabilities financially or operational capabilities of individual organizations and they're taken on by consortiums. Joined pursuit of large complex projects, this is one of the key model, shared effort towards sales closure which is kind of common for all these different models. Shared resource pool, again, common. Joined execution and revenue sharing, like mentioned earlier. The difference would be that these are created against specific opportunities in the market versus the earlier joint ventures which are created against specific relationships. So two organizations come together, they create a joint venture to go together, moving forward. Five companies come together, create a consortium for a very specific project proposal, they pursue it, they get it, they deliver it, if they don't get it, they wind up and move forward. Sharing of resources. The earlier two models, you have kind of a stronger, deeper engagement between organizations. This is a model where they say, not so deep kind of engagement between organizations, you come together, I have a project, all my resources are currently used up, I get a new project where I need another 10 more resources. I work with this other company to get that 10 resources from that other company. So it's a kind of, it's a relationship that is, that's built based on demand and supply of resources at a given point of time. So you don't have kind of a long-term commitment, you don't, I don't need to pay for 10 resources for the next 10 years. I'm looking at 10 resources for this project which is going to last from March to November. So this model will allow scaling of operations without taking on fixed overhead for the resources. If I hire 10 new resources and I know that this project is only going to last for six months, I would not want to take on that fixed overhead of hiring those 10 resources. Especially if I know that this is not, this project is only going to last for the short period which says six months. Flexibility to scale up or down based on project pipeline. Then you have the ability to utilize resources with a wider range of capabilities. I have a Drupal company, I have 10 people in my team. I do not have people who work with performance. No, I'm not talking about myself, but I'm giving the example. And I know that there is this other company which has people exclusively focusing on performance. I ask for, hey, can I have the support of two resources on who work exclusively with performance for the next six months on this particular project? I build out a relation with that organization, have the resources, work in their premises, work with this team of 10 which I have, and then jointly take on this project that I have with the client of mine. Then this model also would allow matching the right kind of capability for a given requirement and take on only such cost. I get a maintenance contract which doesn't pay me well, but which could actually give me sufficient, continuous revenue for the next two years. I do not want to put, and I only have senior resources on my team. I would not want to engage a full-time senior resource to take on a support contract just because a client comes to me and says that this is a long-term contract. At the same time, because it's a long-term contract, it would help me on my cash flow and my pipeline. I would want to take that contract on. So I would want to hire a freelancer who is going to work with me on a contract basis for the next 24 months providing support. So it's good, assured revenue and assured revenue for the freelancer or that small company for the next 24 months without having to worry about marketing. For me, it is a new relationship with a client. It's a long-term cash flow pipeline. So this would help me meet that requirement and only take on the cost to provide the required service for that requirement. This is something that's kind of vague and probably something that is explorative in nature. Where companies would not want to get into deep engagements but at the same time want to try out the model and see how it works. So you could start sharing information about how you do stuff, maybe work together on the marketing collateral's friend. Small organizations, this is probably going to be very difficult for a large organization because larger organization, larger, when I say large and small here, I'm talking about 10 as a small company, 30 or 40 as a larger company because that's the size range that we're talking about here. So maybe a company which is of our size would have something very specific with terms of branding. A company like previous Next or Technocrat would have very something specific to their branding. So sharing of collateral's or leads would not make sense there. But companies that are smaller, say five people strong or 10 people strong, would want to share information with other companies of similar size to see about how effective specific marketing strategies are, about how effectiveness of case studies, about sharing of some of these collateral's that are already prepared. It doesn't make sense to recreate case studies every time you work or you create collateral around specific solutions. Then the feedback about effectiveness of larger number of choices implemented is going to be extremely important when you look at from a statistics perspective. Say I do things at a very small scale, I don't have enough samples to come up with statistical decision-making. But if I pull together attempts by multiple people, multiple individuals or organizations, I would have a larger data set to make statistical decision-making. Here we are talking about, so in the earlier models, we are talking about bringing organizations together around commercial opportunities. But commercial opportunities are not necessarily the only ways companies can come together around Drupal. Organizations can come together around contributions, around modules or around features or common set of requirements that their clients have. So they could work together for some building modules and themes and distributions that are commonly required among clients that they have. So I have five clients. Somebody else has five clients. 10 of us companies has 50 clients each. So you could look at generalizing some of these requirements from these 50 companies and work towards building modules or contributions that are relevant to these 50 clients. But if I look at just my five clients, do they look very generic? I mean all my five clients would have different requirements. If you look at 50 clients, you would definitely be able to come up with requirements or features that are going to be similar or say you could look at, among say five or 10 clients from this 50. So larger numbers will allow better consolidation of requirements. Smaller organizations would also be able to share responsibilities in terms of maintaining modules and themes built and contributed by the organizations. Again, I'm not talking about contributions that are done by individual developers. I'm talking about organizations spending money towards contributions, spending effort, paid effort by employees towards contributions. Organizations could work together in mentoring developers towards contributions that could happen through joined effort towards organizing box prints, hackathons, or events of the like. This again is something that would require very high level of similarity between organizations and very high level of alignment in terms of organizational vision and direction and capabilities. So this is about investing into productizing some of these things that we see as generic requirements or some of these things that we see as opportunities around Drupal. Again, the advantage that I see here is the ability to look at a larger set of clients. So my set of 100 clients combined with the set of clients from say 10 other companies, we would have a much larger pool of requirements to see what could make sense in terms of productizing. Excuse me. Organizations could come together, identify such requirements and then invest effort into productizing this. The challenge that I see here is in in terms of how we are going to bring in the investment. Obviously you're going to have a larger pool of investors to look at, but there would still be challenges in terms of figuring out how the cost structures are going to be split, how the revenue is going to be split between the companies. All of this are in theory, but this doesn't happen very often. This is not something that we see in everyday life in terms of how companies collaborate. People look at vendors and service providers, but why do we not see a lot of collaboration happening? Not just in Drupal, but a lot of other spaces as well. This is some of the thoughts which I have. Challenges in identifying whom to collaborate with. It's a dog-it-dog world. So you didn't know whom to collaborate with. Do you know if it's the right partner? Do you know whether partner aligns with your vision? Does a partner align with the style of operations? Then there is a risk of putting one's brand, which has been built over several years of effort at risk, and brand and reputation risk, because you don't, part of your work is now going to be done by somebody else.  Collaborating would also mean that the style of working, how you would deliver projects, your delivery cycle, software development methodology, all of these would be different between organizations. How are these going to work together when people come to, or when organizations come together? Then there is the worry about losing the absolute control. If you're a business owner, you would want to be in control over your business. You would want to be in control over the quality that you deliver. You would want to be in control over how the project is being executed. But you're going to lose part of that when you start looking at collaborating with other organizations on the commercial front. Last one, which is kind of sad, the bad experience by people who have attempted at doing this, obviously because of these problems which I have mentioned earlier, there are going to be issues when companies try to collaborate. Giving up is not necessarily the right way to look at issues, but how do organizations address the issues that they would face when they start collaborating? So the answer again is not quite straightforward, but I have tried to put together some thoughts here. These are for you to look at and evaluate. Identifying companies who stand for the same values and vision is one easy way to start with, but values and vision alone does not ensure delivery and quality. So you'd have to look much deeper than that.  Deeper evaluation of how companies operate, maybe sampling how companies operate through smaller engagements. Dearest reputation and slash brand by engaging on less risky propositions. You wouldn't want to take on a collaborative attempt on your largest deal that has come across to you. You would want to try it out on a smaller deal. You would want to try it out on maybe something that's not very risky. You would want to try out with a client who is actually open to this model to exploring something around this. So de-risking the attempt is something that you would want to explore. Then models, how do, I mean, not all models are going to be good for all companies. Also, not all models would fit for the kind of companies that come together. Perhaps a set of companies that come together, they would only be able to work in a given model. For another set of companies, that model would not work at all. So you would want to experiment with the models and figure out what works best for the given set of companies that you're looking at. Then sharing experiences and understanding how best to collaborate is another way to look at addressing the problems. How people who have faced problems, solved those problems, or what are the kind of things that you would have to do upfront to prevent those problems from ever happening. Whether we like it or not, the distributed delivery model is here to stay. Even large or huge companies, behemoth companies, are now looking at building key partnerships with interestingly small organizations because they're not able to build those competencies internally, even with all the resources and manpower that they have. I have a friend of mine who runs a 50-man organization based out of Bangalore, the Silicon Valley of India. 50-man organization. This company offers user-experienced services to Infosys, which has 200,000 employees. And they probably have cash reserves of what? $20 billion or so. Why could such a company like Infosys not hire these 50 resources in the first place? They're not able to build this team internally and which is why they're getting this top quality UX capability from the market. So whether we like it or not, the model is here to stay. And even large organizations are trying to leverage on the model, on the model of collaborating with other organizations. So it is up to us to leverage on the model to help ourselves grow and help Drupal as a market group. As long as the fundamentals are all right, problems should be addressed through processes and systems to facilitate better collaboration. Collaborating, like I mentioned earlier, this is not a fail-safe option. There is a good possibility of running into challenges and issues once you start collaborating. But if you know that the fundamentals are right in terms of your alignment with vision, vision value systems, ethics, operational style, transparency, then it is about how do you put in place systems and practices that will allow organizations to collaborate. So I've gone to the model. So these are final thoughts around what I have shared so far. Competition should really be with the rest of the web solutions market in trying to grow the Drupal market. Collaboration is good for companies as well as for the Drupal community. It will ultimately help companies to grow even though there are going to be challenges in the process and operationalizing the model of collaboration will take some effort. Collaboration is good for everybody and companies should learn to leverage on collaboration by investing into building models and relationship. I'm talking about investing because there is going to be efforts and costs that are going to be involved and it is not a short-term game, it is a longer-term game. The ultimate outcome would be to build the Drupal market both in terms of the number of clients, number of vendors and the Drupal community at large. So those are my thoughts on how commercial organizations could explore the possibility to collaborate with each other around Drupal and a little bit about ourselves. I mentioned we are a nine-year-old exclusive Drupal service provider based out of India. We are one of the largest Drupal companies. We are also one of the few featured service providers listed on Drupal.org. We contribute a lot to Drupal. We have around 30 plus modules and themes that are being used by more than 40,000 sites. Nine years, we have delivered more than 130 projects across the US, UK, Europe and Australia. So I hope I have time for some questions if you have. Five minutes, yeah. So we have questions, I'll be happy to see if I can answer those, or it could be questions that other people could think about. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the question is? I have no questions. That's a comment. It's a comment, but it's been packed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been growing small business. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, so that's kind of the investment that is holding companies back, right? So that's an investment that you have to put in both effort and money to build a good relationship with a partner. It's over once. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, please. Yeah, so I think what you have mentioned in your question itself, that the transparency is the most important part in terms of building relationships. The more you're transparent, the easier it's for everybody. Both in terms of planning and scheduling, and as well as execution, what happens during execution. We use RedMind as a project management system. We do have vendors that who work with us. We also have larger providers with whom we work together. So in all cases, we have complete access to the project management system, tasks, management tasks, as well as operational execution, technical tasks, are all listed out in the system. So it's all transparent. I'm not saying that this is very mature, but this actually works effectively if all parties actually look at the thing. But if one of the people involved doesn't actually look at it, even if you provide the information, then you still run into challenges. So it's about building the relationship and also mentoring people into pursuing this aggressively, I would say aggressively, keeping the transparency open and ensuring that the channels of communication are clear and that people are actually pushing information and ensuring that all of the people involved are on the same page. I do not have one solution fits all answer for that question, but I think transparency in communication is the most important part that will help in building relationships. Questions? All right, if there are no questions, thank you all. I'll be around for the next three days and hopefully over the next month as well. So if people are interested to discuss further, we'll be happy to share and explore. All right, thank you everyone.


and multiple spots on punt. We didn't want Bradley to play up much, but you know, you got to find a way to win. And thankfully, we did. On the review late, did your guys upstairs say that, hey, Rich, you got there in time? Or how did that process? There's a lot of things. As a communication, you got to have it calm upstairs because there was a motion on the sideline. You know what you see live? There's always a quick as they blew it, you thought, all right, well, they thought it was incomplete.  Hey, it's worth it. And I thought the situation, the way the game was being played, I thought, why not? I just thought it was too big of a moment in the game. And I was pretty sure what I saw. And then obviously confirmed upstairs. And the win also gave you a little space in the division with New Orleans loss with five to go. Well, you know, the big thing is we have focus on ourselves. It's the way it goes, right? You guys have covered this league a long time. You got to find a way to win. You're in a playoff chase. You're trying to win a division. Sometimes things, the game, get ugly in the elements. And whatever happens, turn on you, adjust. And at the end of the day, you just got to find a way to win. And we'll go back to work, let it, and we'll focus on us. We got to correct things that didn't work this week that may have worked a week ago or whatever. And that's why we practice. And we're thankful to get that one.  Kailo, Nate, what's the A? Yes, so some of those are optimistic and a grand scheme of things. But until you obviously get the MRIs, you don't know. And that doesn't mean that you don't know about next week. But it was obviously on the imaging with Nate and Kail. With AJ, obviously, the protocol there. And Jeff, it was late that Kee was OK. But we'll have to see. So all those guys, we'll know more tomorrow. What Kail was doing today, it seemed like, even though maybe a massive taste, that wise, it seemed like he was maybe more involved and made more aggressive than he was. He was involved and just continued to work through it. And I give Kail a lot of credit. I mean, he works extremely hard at saying it. So people kind of look at you like you guys talk to Kail. And that's why I enjoy coaching them. And you want to get to the point where they can't, right, they want to concentrate on Drake a lot today. There's some opportunities there. And then Kail took advantage of it. Crazy does. I mean, tried to take some shots as low as they were playing. And didn't hit as many as we wanted to.  But there were some critical third downs in a low scoring game that Kail was picked on more. The way the weather turned out, did you feel like, because of the style of your team play, that that could be an advantage for you today? We thought so. But we knew we were going to get, they were going to throw everything they could at us. And they had turned the ball over. That was the biggest thing, is the game became a field and obviously we were trying to find balance of backing them off, but not being reckless because the way the defense was playing. Sometimes maybe people think you're too conservative that all you care about is winning that game. And those guys, I mean, the energy was great. We came up here, so we're going to have to bring our own energy. Those guys on the sideline were fantastic. And they found a way. All of the Kevvys has two huge third down sets last two weeks. What have you seen from his progression? I'm sorry. He's got a lot of self-imposed nicknames. He's got a lot of nicknames, he's got a lot of self-imposed nicknames. Oh, sorry. So, Arnold, yeah. He's had two huge third down sets last two weeks. What have you made of his progression? Just another guy that keeps working extremely hard to develop coming a long way. And that's why we drafted him. I think his confidence is building too. You see the efficiency of his rush. I think, between that defense out, I think Frank pushed it. There's a lot of credit in the Frank's room all year, and then the Grants came to things. AK taking a step in year two. Very, very positive for AK. Sticking with this defense. Hasn't given up a touchdown in two games. Obviously, that's the rest to be for 60,000. Yeah, I think it's just one. But outside of the obvious, what's gone into that stat from a mental standpoint, from where they were in the three weeks leading up to the bye week and where they are now? That's just why you continue to work. And there's some things that schematically we did today. It's changes week to week. Whatever our third down plan is, you're trying to take away where you're giving help to. Mix and match. And so a lot of it's being in tune. Like they made some plays. Like they hit a flea flicker and just bowing up and making them kick field goals. I mean, that's the thing is, and every once in a while, it is the NFL.  Make those and turn those into disasters and let them get momentum. And that's a credit mindset, but a lot of things we've been trying to work on week to week, certainly coming out of the bye. And we'll continue to try to do that. The things that you saw, I mean, I know we talked a lot last week about kind of changes that you guys made during the bye. Were there things you saw that maybe defensively would make you better in the red zone or? I mean, some of the two is, the other side has to say sometimes, guys make great plays. And so, yeah, you want to change up a call. Sometimes it's winning on a rush. It may be the same coverage call, but a guy ended up winning on the pass rush. Or a little more disciplined, don't get moved off the spot on a play extension, don't get baited into something, being disciplined down there. A lot of little things that add up. I say they offensively, feel like, hey, you got a great call and they got some pretty good players to run. You get moved off the spot, you don't make it or they make a play in the air. And we continue to work, but these guys, they have such a really positive mindset and they enjoy the practice and getting into the meetings. That's why it's such a fun group to coach. Could you speak to the development of Clark Phillips? You got to play a lot today? Yeah, because the number was called and you just never know. But it's really all those young DVs and then the practice, how competitive is Clark and his mindset while we liked them so much and drafted them. These are the moments, right? He didn't play a lot. He's played a little bit, but not a lot. But he's kept working. He's kept, you know, Jerry and Steve doing a good job and Clark credit to him and he competes and that's why we love him. His role, none of it changed twice today, led. You know, you're going in, whether it's Hughes or him, he's got a slot role and then AJ goes out, he goes an outside role. And the D has to step up more and then we play Richie a little bit at an inside spot too. So that was cool to see. We've seen that just defense, they've made the homes, Josh challenge, Jalen Hurts, they've brought the ugliness out of them. Were you at least the courage to see Ritter play turnover for your football and make a lot of good decisions in the pocket? Yeah, I mean, that's what I've talked about on the other side, as I say, we want to score 100 points, trust me, that's our intent, but the reality of the NFL sometimes, they put a lot of capital up front, draft everything, they got good players up front and you know, it's one of Matt Bergeron's biggest challenges. Walk up and say, hey, you got Quinn and Williams this week. I mean, that's the NFL, right? And Caleb goes out, Storm goes in there. So if you want to maybe change some of your protections not leave him, because they're going to try to adjust over there. So that's the game you're playing, play-to-play in series to series. Yeah, it's aggressive front, two styles, aggressive styles. And thankfully, we did enough to one. Thanks, y'all. Thank you. Thank you, man. Des, could you describe how tough it was out there for the offense today in the rain?  You know, he got an arrow down to me and Drew, but you know, that's all on me, got to be able to get the ball out, got a big play there. But you know, there was times later on in the game where, you know, C.P. had one where he put it on the ground, but he did a great job of batting it out of bounds. But just, you know, all of us got to be better in ball security. We know it's going to be a crappy day when weather comes. But, you know, we got to be able to push the ball down the field. We got to be able to run the ball. We got to be able to get first downs. We got to be able to get points. In the draft starts, you get a couple good ones late in the first half and get a touchdown and the field go out of it. But how tough is it when you don't get the draft to start a good field position in the start to drive? Yeah, I mean, it's obviously tough. You obviously want to have a positive play on that first play just to get the drive going and then see that first, first down. You know, we talked about momentum all year. We talked about how to get the offense going and that's what it is. It's staying in a rhythm and staying in the motion, which that's getting positive plays. First downs, first play, positive yards. It's just getting positive yards at the end of the day. Coach said the offense, the defense was trying to take away Drake. Did that open up Kyle for you more today? Yeah, I mean, like we said, we always have weapons all over the field, so you can't just hone in on one guy or else someone else is going to become open. And the touchdown pass to McColl pruer, what was going on on that play and did you get a chance to see the catch yet? Yeah, I mean, they ended up being in the cover three almost in matches. You know, they carried that scene with Prue.  You know, like we say all the time, you know, you can find 85 and he'll do well for you. Can you talk a little bit about where the team's at now with the two game winning streak and a little bit of breathing room in the division? Yeah, you know, I think at the end of the day, you know, we're just ready to go back to work and get better. You know, we haven't stacked three wins in a row this year. We've stacked two twice now and so we got to be able to keep our head, come back home and be able to go out and get a third win. Yeah, overall, the production was 194. I know it's sloppy out there, but did y'all miss some stuff or how do you feel, you know, how you feel about the production when they're about to...? Yeah, I said there's a couple ball placement things from my end that could have been better. You know, the one late there, the cow, we left it a little inside. You put it outside, it goes and get it. You put the little one, the Drake on their side, on a little bit more inside, he's able to touch and get it. And then, you know, obviously in the run game, we just got to be able to get things going and get first downs, like I said, right there towards the end. If we're going to keep the ball on the ground, we got to be able to move it, got to be able to get those first downs, keep the clock running and then, you know, we'll be able to be good with everything. But, you know, like I said, at the end of the day, we came out here with a win, with a great team win. We're going to go back to work and just keep continuing to get better. Were y'all since in the... Did things play out offensively as y'all had planned, considering the weather? Yeah, I mean, you know, we didn't really let the weather affect us. Like I said, there's obviously paths that, you know, I could have done better, could have put better ball placement in, man. But, you know, at the end of the day, we're going to do what we do. We're not going to let weather or anyone else affect what we're doing.  Did y'all, did you since they sold out to stop the run after last week? I mean, yeah.  But no, obviously they did a great job of filling the box up, stopping the run. But again, we have to adjust for, you know, that extra hitter and be able to make that one guy miss. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thanks.


It sucks makes your back hurt So I've been doing that just want to let any of y'all know they're having bad back problems. That stuff right there really works You also might be wondering why I'm wearing these goofy glasses if you guys watch all the videos You know, if you don't go ahead and subscribe right here hit the ding dogs Just block out blue light helps me when I'm driving in low light. I wear them when I'm editing Looking at TV Computer stuff like that just prevents me from having headaches and all that great stuff So anyway, these aren't my sight fishing glasses. Thank you guys for thinking that right now I'm waiting on Rob and his new camera guy Steve to get over here We're at the Bucky's and they are at Chick-fil-A. Gotta start the morning off Right with some Chick-fil-A protein in the belly and we're gonna be heading up a lake that I Actually really suck at I fished it two times. I fished one tournament blind there did terrible another time didn't do anything Couldn't do terrible today. Don't want to start off on a negative note, but this lake is just I know it's tough It has huge fish in it. I'll get into it here a little bit when Rob gets here But it's got a potential for big bass. We got to figure it out. I'm moving back up here around this area It's close. We got to get this thing locked in now. Where is Rob with that delicious chick-fil-a?  If not, that's okay. Probably still gonna need for food. Oh Boy that is a noggin knocker right there Wow Wow That was a tough one. You must only be on your first cup of coffee. I haven't even drink anything. Oh, that's the problem Rob that one out boy Boy Steve did you capture that right there? All right great way start off there No, you guys probably didn't catch that go check out his channel for an awesome noggin knocker. Love it Stupid why did I do that? I don't know how would I jump into the tree? I mean I'll give her a full send right here We out here so me and Rob actually did we did a little late-night map study in together last night We had a little map study phone date Something something you do is old men when you get older. I started just looking at maps and talking about them Yeah It's not the only thing we have random talks about the phone maps To topographic moments We're trying to figure this thing out here. We're way up in a creek There's so many options. We have no idea what's good. This is exploration day So we're trying to think are these little creek arms going to be good for spawners post spawners waters 69 kind of warm, but we're gonna just gonna be exploring all this stuff. There's the whole lake and we are way Up here Start out on a little riprap action See what's going on there, and then it's just gonna be exploration Hopefully we can find something get something going. Come on white bass. Where you at? The key thing that we got to figure out because this is brand new is like the depth of where Fisher gonna hold a lot of water back here for being way up in a creek. Okay. Okay, so there's a there's pocket right here We need to test Looking looking at pond dams. We're looking at points Got bunches trees. Where's the bait? What motor these fish in? So we're on top of this thing right now Stuck on something Giving it a go. It's coming up right now. It's lumpy yet Crunchy all at the same time. Have we given it a good investigation? Well, we're flipping these trees out here You think we should get back on the bank and throw out some buck brush a little bit Do you have a fish?  We're killing it out here Pull up bait for you guys me and Rob have been fishing around trying to figure this place out For a few hours now. Not a whole lot of luck. He's had one bite one crappy I'm yet to have a bite at all and I don't know how to run this place You know We're just trying to figure out how to run. I I think we're about to Send it on down the line here. What I think is a road bed Looks pretty sketchy though here on old Ray Bob. Yeah, I don't want to get too close to that. There's probably some metal Stuff sticking out there Oh, that's what they're running. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just go give it a sec. Okay, Rob's saying send it It goes and it's gonna turn. I mean you can see the lane. Look, it's easy.  Okay. I don't know what happens after this I was exciting What a difference a few miles makes Effect teeth marks right now. Nope. Dude, I'm telling you 100 percent. I had a fish I come at him with a split shake. I don't even know what's going on Like what's this guy doing? Let's see all about let there be bass In the wind Yeah Get that sucker in here. Yeah See, I told you I got that daggone bottle in that fix. I I told you I got a daggone. He didn't believe me. Look at this wind This is glorious what you want to do is throw something with uh Six hooks on it There we go early release. Get on it. Get on it. These are lipless crankfish, isn't it? Oh, it doesn't even feel like a fish. I've never been caught. I've never caught anything big I think it's fish, but it's just not Oh, yeah, that's a fish. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. What's up? What's up?   I'm hitting the white bass tour. Oh my god. They cannot Stay off my line. I might catch another one Kind of enjoyed that Fish you catch. White bass. White bass. That's how I do it. It doesn't matter. White bass. What lake we go to? White bass White bass county Oh, yeah, another one. Nope, that's a tree. Apologize. Oh, yeah Every day get the Crisco fired up for you. Just calling me Crisco Captain Crisco Because I'm frying every night. I don't mind them Better pull it down. This is good. This is good sandbath water When I'm reeling a lure through buck brush, I'm fully expecting to get slapped by a white bass, you know That's what I'm expecting You got a sandbath, a crappie I forgot what a bass bite feels like so I was just pretending I haven't stuck with one lure for more than a minute since we've been here. It's normally the opposite way around Usually you kind of sift it through days. So right now you have it stopped. You got one. See that? Yeah Oh, yeah What is it? Why can't we both stop on the pitch? Me ducking. Oh, are you ducking? Oh, I ducked at the right time Oh bass got it right there.  Yeah You see how we do it? That's how we do it on the turries all over my camera Rob just hollering at me about white bass. Look at that Came out of one of the different species. Oh that tails Look at the backside of this. It's been dirtied Just got a bloody bloodiness on it Smell sweet I just I had to do that Felt like I was on the tour there for a minute. Does it look like it has rock on it? Oh, I found it. Look There's this tree line. Look tree line It's right here. It's literally off to the left Where that one tree is whatever that bird has in his mouth is big Oh, there he is Hit me hit me hard the one tree out there. Yeah, but don't want to hump out here I think it's something big. Did it good? I don't think it's a bass. No It's a catfish. Oh my god hit me up with the other species. Oh my god. Oh, they call me mr. Crisco Because I'm catching all the other species in the lake.  Goo Goo Oh, yeah, wife's gonna be happy Oh, that's right. That's right. Talk to him Only me Let go What's going on what's going on right there? I think those are eggs. You just made a direct connection with that Oh, yeah, so we got we got large mouths.  We got the same bass and a catfish some goo on there We cut that off Wendy just getting wet Caught about every species in the lake so far um Trying to go after bluegill next just to hit the cycle Oh What are them days trying to figure these fish out on a new lake? It's always a interesting adventure We're looking at maps constantly. There's probably more map gandering than I've ever done Rob's over there on satellite earth ponds foundation roadbeds tree lines things like that Uh, but so far most of the bites have been up shallow in the buck brush Look at all sorts of stuff But it hasn't really panned out.  How you liking the the rain back there steve? It's about a hundred percent 127 percent chance of it right here coming across this cove my apologies Rob's pretty smart sitting up there. You know, it's a drill No one's sitting at the sea No one wants that seat right now I guess they're just not everywhere Watch those knuckles Tiny a little bit We if we did not cover hardly any Of the lake today, uh here on ray robber's ray bob as it's often called huge mega lake It's got big bass in it rob caught some nice bass. I caught a lot of nice other species We gotta head back to osg. We got some We got some big boy stuff we got to do some stuff kind of I haven't really talked to you guys about but I will be revealing soon Oh, it's in the truck. Hang on.  I'll see you back over there at the house that we don't have All right, those guys take it off And they're back My phone You need your phone steve. I lost it. So for those of you don't know steve. That is a rob's new camera guy In case you were confused He's hired steve so he can do some of the editing and the filming so rob can spend more time with His family, which I think is an awesome thing. So that's great So you guys are probably gonna see a little bit more of steve over there in my videos and on rob's videos It is family time. We have to go see osg Has been in a very saucy mood today. Oh really? Have you been saucy? I caught catfish today You smell that? Okay. Well, we gotta go totally forgot. We got to see your strawberry collection When we got back strawberry they have not seen the strawberry collection. You guys Gladly show you my strawberry you guys missed out on some great strawberry action Beautiful organic strawberries to make jams and pies and all sorts of great stuff And they are delicious by themselves, but that is not why we're here right now Hunter on the gather but anyways, that is true. She's out there gathering berries literally We have big big family stuff So we have been home hunting as you guys may have heard if you watch all the all the videos If you don't make sure to go ahead and subscribe and hit the ding dongs for all the notifications But we are trying to get a home. We've been discombobulated Since willis I mean we were gonna move even before willis and start to chop around at homes Then willis happen you guys kind of know what happened after that rough times So it's like been a year that we wanted to move. Yeah, it's been a year since we wanted to move We wanted to move and then have baby Um, we're kind of doing everything all at once so things have been kind of kind of hectic stressful But we did get some good news on getting Kind of approved for like 99 it is such a process the amount of minutia That goes on and the difficulty of being Uh an entrepreneur content creator And trying to secure a large loan for a home is Ridiculous, you know like the first home loan I got with just working at a regular nine to five job It's so easy just like that and anyway, we've been through hailing back. Stephanie has been such a trooper Um handling a lot of this this stuff while I'm out working as well But there's some things that I just have to get involved in because it's my company and it's anyway You are the odor. Yeah, so that's what we're going to do right now awkward for me to move these days Because of the belly By the way, I felt the first kicks Last night that was exciting. We have paperwork in hand Needed these Documents the lenders. Let me just tell you guys what they do If you're Going to purchase a home or what they do is they ask you for information the first time and then they ask you for more information Then they'll come around they'll ask for a little bit more information And then there's about three or four more information requests And it's everything except like a DNA sample a uh in your firstborn child Maybe they might ask for that next it's been a huge pain in the butt because I travel so much You know, I've kind of left Stephanie to do a lot of it because they'll ask for it like last minute You'll say am I good? I got everything. Oh, yeah And then at a clock on Friday night, they're like, oh by the way, we need these five different things Ridiculous What's your stress level today speaking on like this year? This year, let's say from the end of 2017 to now I think we're reaching almost about 10. It's pretty bad. It's almost that actually I will I will say I had a moment today that I wish you were kind of here for it was one of those moments that you would have taken a photo Really?  You sitting at this desk right now after this day And this week and this whole thing reminds me of that photo where you're sitting after And like one eye is like protruding Yeah, I have like a vein going down my forehead. I still haven't seen these strawberries Would you like to see my strawberries? I want to see them That deliciousness right there This is like a tenth of what I have Why did you get this mini berries when you go strawberry picking that's like four hours away You're gonna want to bring home about 34 pounds worth of strawberries. Oh my god So we're making pies. We're making strawberry rubric pies making strawberry rubric jam We're gonna do strawberry ice cream strawberry popsicles. Holy dang We're gonna turn into strawberries Hopefully this will we can make a nice strawberry pie in a new house somewhere So I'm doing I'm gonna freeze the pie filling And then when we move into our house, we're gonna celebrate with the strawberry pie I love it. Well, this is what real strawberries like y'all in case you've never had real nice organic strawberries They're like red all the way through like a dark red and they're so delicious You're small What we got belly makes my belly happy you've moved into a belly Belly band the belly band it keeps going my pants don't zip. So that's what we're dealing with right now Fragment ladies y'all can relate big bulldogs y'all can relate Coco I love your bowies. They're very good, babe Guts to plug the boat in Keeper charged today was brutally windy I'm not gonna act like it was great y'all. I mean There's been a lot of barn burners what we call barn burners lately We're not on any kind of big pattern the lake's not fishing that great or just One or the other we're not on the the big groups of fish being up in this region now I'm having to relearn some of the lakes and then I'm also fishing lakes that I'd never went to I always heard about Um still trying to figure out these lakes. I hope you guys enjoy watching Us go to new lakes for the first time and trying to figure it out because I have to ask myself the questions While I'm going out there like, you know, how many creeks are on this lake? What's the water temperature? What is this doing? Whereas like when I go to a lake where I know I'm gonna catch them and I'm literally just trying to maybe show you a technique or something It's a little bit different than trying to break down a body of water all together at the same time So I hope you guys enjoy watching that and or learning something with it Really couldn't ever put our finger on a pattern today, but the fish were shallow Trying to unlock the secrets of the lake now Now y'all know what to do it. It's the portion of the video where we have airplanes flying over Daggummit So it is that time for y'all to subscribe right now. I hope you do this channel is growing More and more every day and we are coming up on 500,000 subscribers That sure is a lot of y'all out there And if y'all are fishing freaks or you just want to tag along with all the family stuff other things that are going on In my life go ahead and hit the ding dong button and you'll get the video notifications every time If not, we'll see you every once in a while. We'll be like buddies that kind of call each other, you know every few months and Talk about the weather and stuff. That's not exactly cool, but Whatever either way, thank you guys for being here and being awesome and giving me an ocean spin girl all the amazing support through this crazy last year and we are so close to Having something whole again with a home and a family and I can't wait to share it with you guys Excitement level is high for all that. So Anyway, fishing or not life is good. Love you guys. See you on the next one