Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 19 and we uh, we got a good one for you today I mean good in certain ways. Here's the Kingdom League this week So that's you know, maybe some people are hoping they would at least wait a week before that happened But it happened this week. We'll be talking about it By the way, I'm just gonna know right off the bat and feel free to remind anyone who pops in the chat And is wondering about it along the way. We are not going to be talking about spoilers Any one who's trying to spoil things in the chat will be timed out by our moderator crew They already know this this has been the case since the leaks happened It's just a policy at our channel is once a game fully leaks. We basically stopped talking about game leaks I know I'm a channel that covers leaks, but I I once again fully leaks. I'm not trying to spoil the whole game for you guys It's fun to cover leaks to a point for me But we're actually over conversation on that too unlike covering leaks not covering leaks all that stuff That'll be a conversation we have later because we do have someone on the show who's doing it a little bit different over there How's it going? Welcome to intent talk to the show. How are you doing? I'm innocent Nate If you watch my videos, I kind of like walk the line of like talking about spoilers, but not really it's hard to not Talk about them. They're very exciting. But yeah, I'll be good tonight Yeah, we Pretty much every question people have had about the game is answered now But yeah, I can't answer to you guys because we don't talk about it Um So yeah, what I'm glad to have nintendo on the show here. Is this your first time or second time? I can't remember first time first time. Yeah, there we go. Nice to have you on I was on their show kids of the kingdom, although we it was called something different that show I can't remember knowledge of the I don't know It was he likes to change the name. Yeah, it's me and Zach from switch force kids of the kingdom Don't let him tell you anything different All right, I was on their second episode that is that a third one this last weekend So, uh, let me see right below him. We have my co-host is always Eric more. How's it going? Yeah. Good. How everybody all right? Right next to Eric Moore is Nick Barrett from the joystick drift podcast. How's it going? It's going good We hit a thousand subs today. So I'm There it is there it is Yeah, when you guys are done watching our channel be sure to go over and watch their latest episode of their podcast because They they did it a ranking of all like 200 plus amiibo. So yeah And we somehow did it in an hour and a half I didn't see that's less than a minute per minute. That's insane.  That's what you call that. Yeah Uh above Nick Barrett. We got a good old real Dern the deronator from the Zeldin former days How's it going? I'm over here over here and just admiring Nick Barrett's hat over there twinning With the uh with the switch case here Oh Always Yes, yes, I just got this symbol rocking over here. You know the the one that matters now the new one. Ah, the one that matters now. Yes We'll be talking. That's a leak, Nate Spoilers, oh no, uh, directly below me. We have the one and only andress restart. How's it going? I'm doing all right. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Did you increase your stamina? I did Yeah, you're welcome by the way 10 of the votes in the polls were me on alternate accounts swinging the You son of a bee Oh You weren't paying any attention and I was like change switch switch switch What? Yes, I took a leak. I can't believe you did that. By the way, I went ahead. I got more shrine So I doubled up on the stamina. I was like, you know what we're just making this a free art challenge in master mode I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but we're doing it. So I was like guys. He's made it this far. I can't let him I can't let him right. That's that's the thing like we've already done like a handful of streams All right, we're we're in hyrule castle already. So like Let's just go all the way While the sword I have no idea how that's going to be completed But we'll see what happens that the trials are that's just ridiculous. Those are just Especially master mode. Yeah, three three heart and trial the sword's gonna be rough. I'm having a rough time with you right now I'm not Yeah, I mean it's tough. It's hard in in normal mode with all the hearts No, yeah, we go look at that. I don't even know when to complete trial the sword before tears the kingdom comes out I'm trying like every day. I'm trying and I'm just not It's not it's already come out. What are you talking about? Officially We're talking about that in a little bit It's gonna be a majority of the show. I already know it but oh man I'm reserving my thoughts until it's time. Yeah till it's time. I'm trying to keep it in uh, so We're gonna start a show the way we started every single show time. Well, what have we been playing lately? Darren, this is good shot away modern warfare 2 and then what else? Uh, I actually know I really haven't been playing uh that lately just online chess then Uh a little bit of that. Yes, we talked about that last week But no, I got my uh tears of the kingdom. Oh led And so when I got it, I bought a voucher. I pre-ordered tears of the kingdom and When I got it I hacked it I downloaded the ride I did not I was thinking about it with my og switch, but I haven't I haven't I'm gonna wait for the official release I pre-ordered tears of the kingdom with the second game. I got a game that I'm surprised I haven't played yet. I had a wii u. I loved my wii u, but I never played Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze So I snatched that I've been running through that I'm about halfway through it. Absolutely loving it good little a little snack before Four tears of the kingdom comes out. So I'm enjoying that right now, but you know, we all know that's going to come to a halt Uh in the next 10 days here, so I mean if you want to be the best legally You buy like isn't like a new ziling digital copy or something and you can play it at 6 a.m. On thursday Yeah, I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting till midnight Uh thursday. I'm gonna do it legit in my time zone. I'm going to I'm gonna be oh I guess people don't know this yet. I'm gonna be live streaming From my phone picking up the game at the midnight launch at game stop So we're not actually streaming the game that night though guys. Sorry. We're going live at 8 a.m The next day because we're going for 12 hours. We're doing all day. So nice. No, I'm I'm I got 10 days off. I booked my vacation Uh, so I'm staying up all night that night midnight. Uh, just like I did last game I did this with was new horizons animal crossing Uh, just gonna preload it And at midnight jump in play until I fall asleep wake up play again until I fall asleep and uh, We'll see the next nine days. How far I get Hell yeah, man can't wait for that wednesday podcast that week when we've all been playing it You know, that's gonna be an interesting one We'll want the one right after. Yep Yeah, um, I I'm just did I tell you that that podcast on the 17th that noon I don't know if I told you is this someone with kitty crista. Yeah, they're coming back on on the 17th I already mentioned that I assumed that one. Yeah, I didn't I forgot to talk to you about it I was like, I think he'll be okay, but I probably should confirm he's gonna come on 17th. Yeah, the 17th It's good today I could take a break from playing peers of the kingdom for that peers of the kingdom wow the podcast I might I might go down here. I might be able to give you about 20 seconds We'll be fine. Yeah, we can't increase the guys coming on on the 17th uh noon along with monster maze and uh Potentially one other cell the youtuber. So so working on that Uh, what's really cool about noon shows is all like the big cell the youtubers are from overseas. So it actually works for them um So there's that uh next week. I might as well just tease next week, too We got some donation coming on next week. So nice. Um, maybe h m k h m k was like I promise I'll be on next week and then he's like, wow, I don't know, bro. We'll see Hfk is the way I love that guy anyways, uh Well, I'll just restart. What are you even playing lately? I mean Right.   Um Did today we raided Hyrule castle, which was fun And I realized that no matter even a 60 power weapon will not will not one shot an enemy with a sneak strike You have to do it like several times But beyond that I've been playing Xenia chronicles 3 future redeemed I I saw that some people beat it in like a day. They just played it straight the entire time Which just baffles me. Um, but uh, you know, it's a good time. Um, hoping to beat it this week So I can maybe make a video on it this weekend, but it's It's pretty good. It's definitely like a nice Send-off at least so far from what I've played For like the entire xenoblade trilogy not including X. It's kind of outside the trilogy Um, it's it's pretty good Now I know we talked about this a little bit last week, but now that you've been playing it for a while How is it compared to the base game? Feels like the base game, but like different characters different area to explore. Um, I think I like the affinity scenes more so Um in this in this version every affinity scene one they're easier to unlock Um, all right. Well xenoblade one they were like impossible the heart to hearts But like they're usually it's basically it's based off progress It's like what chapter we're in if you've progressed enough in terms of chapters you can see them And what they are is it okay? You'll see like a little blue circle You'd hold zr and it just kind of It gives you a dialogue and it's kind of talking about the scenery because if you if you know about xenoblade 3 It's kind of like a merge world of 1 and 2 there's plot that explains that it's not just random. Um, and It's cool because it's like if you've played the throughout the series They'll talk about important historical moments to have different xenoblade adventures So like all of future redeemed is like a huge like love letter to the game That's a huge nostalgia fest. So you'll see this this area like whoa, is that what I think it is And then shulkin rex like yeah That brings me back It's cool kind of seeing them all interact with each other. It's it's pretty awesome. That's great. That's great. Yeah Nice, uh nick, what are you even playing nightly? xenoblade Doing that dlc. I'm trying to redeem to finish it before zelda and I mean I got what nine eight ish days I might not be able to finish it at the rate I'm going How many hours have you clocked? Uh, I think I just hit 16 last night. I'll see you're ahead of me in terms of hours. I'm but I'm I'm like taking my time I'm doing side quests and I'm grinding out Um, you're right the affinity points Yeah, so it's I really love it though. It's so fun. I I mean I've only really played rex because I like playing attacker um But I do kind of what you said andres. I love the affinity scenes and it does feel In the same way that like the base game kind of felt more like a love letter to two This feels more like a love letter to one. So you're kind of getting even though like they both had References to both games. They obviously leaned in one direction more so than the other So I like that future redeemed was like, oh, we're in colony nine from xenoblade chronicles one Remember when you were there? Um So yeah, I've been having a lot of fun with that I'm Also trying to figure out what I'm doing next week because my game stop is doing a midnight launch and I want to go And try to get a collector's edition And I'm kind of on the fence of like do I want to stay up that late? Or do I just wait and go the next morning? So I don't know it's up in the air for me. Um I guess I'll know The difficult thing The difficult thing is like I have a collector's edition coming from walmart, but it's shipped So I'm really worried it's not gonna get here until like days later So it's kind of dependent on whether or not That ships mid next week and will be here on friday if it's not I'm like, all right. I'm going and I'll just return the walmart run Um and keep the game stop one because I don't want to wait. I want to be up all night Thursday into friday all day friday just do nothing have all my videos pre scheduled and everything. It's gonna be great Yeah, that's gonna be the hardest thing for me is uh We're going I'm doing the midnight launching. I'm picking it up and then I'm just immediately going to bed And I gotta somehow sleep knowing the game is just it's gonna be like christmas But I just keep telling myself you need a good night's rest. You're streaming for 12 hours You need a good night's rest your strict butt tears in the kingdoms here I can hold next to me in bed in my hand. I can lick the cartridge What are we doing? You you have fun with that. I'm playing a midnight and I'm gonna play all night I don't care. It's okay. The way I figure people that might watch a stream are people that run playing all night Anyway, so they're gonna be like, oh nothing's well for me. Let's see what he's doing right We'll see I'm also gonna make a whole like unboxing video my collector's edition.  What are you been playing lately? Um, I cracked open my xbox for Yeah Are you ready to trade for my series s so I can put that xbox to work over there get a coffee dust Yeah, right. It yeah, the other fan went poof And you know dust came out of the top, you know, um, I downloaded payday 2 played a little bit of that just because um That was pretty much it but yeah, so Quick and easy like normal For my my gameplay nice, man. Um, let's see here on nintendo. I think you know what you're who's left What are you been playing bud? I am one of the 40 people who bought advance wars one and two It's number one of the e-shop. There's probably been more than 40. That's true. That's true Yeah, beat out all the shovelware. That's great No, it's that's been fun. I I've heard some hate about um The the graphics like the newer graphics. I like them. I think it's good. Um, I forgot how difficult it was I I only played the first one before so i'm not finished with the first one in this Because there's one and two in this so i'm looking forward to that trying to play it as much as I can because Whatever games we're all playing are not going to be played soon. So it's Yeah, yeah, because I also have advanced wars right because the thing is I've already done my advanced word coverage, right? But I I still want to make xeno blade videos and I I'm also a bigger xeno blade fan that I am for advanced wars But I have advanced where it's not playing and I love it But now I have to finish future redeemed And then to the kingdom's coming out But I also want to replay pikmin 3 deluxe before pikmin 4 And here's the king was probably going to take the bulk of my time And I still haven't finished firing them engage And I never got to to playing through bayonet of three because I wanted to finish bayonet of one and two first So I have this backlog that's just Stacking up and what you're saying is if nintendo doesn't release another game after pikmin this year.   They gotta got something to present there. So they gotta some sort of Topic That is not a topic, but we might be able to slip it in we'll see Okay Because I don't know that we're gonna have a ton to say about the mario movie So we can maybe have that as a bonus topic. Oh, I have I have thoughts because we because we have not We I don't think we've talked about them going to games coming out that hasn't been a topic yet So that might be We'll see The development coming out the gamescom thing would be like a megaton Oh, yeah, if it was a holiday game, I might be I might be going to germany guys It's like the european e3 But I know what it is. When is it? August. Oh, it doesn't exist. It's only in your dreams Which is august august is a fake. It's august august. Thank you, andres.  They just didn't say anything publicly Uh final fantasy pixel remaster is now sold 2 million copies after its additional release on i PlayStation 4 and switch sonic frontiers announced that they have sold 3.2 million units Uh, so it's actually pretty good for sonic. So we'll see what happens there The laura croft collection has been rated for switch. It's actually technically already been announced So it's not major news, but just a reminder when you saw that headline We're not talking about the good games. We're talking about guardian of light and osiris Which are like the mobile style top down isometric ones which are actually still pretty good But it's not the laura croft that people are hoping that it means to hear laura croft croft collection Oh, it's the new it's the reboot or it's like the old games come on. No, no It's the ones that people don't like to talk about Anyways, uh and the last story a bit of a a sad story for nintendo But a good story probably for who it is. Uh composer rio naga Matsu, I'm really sorry. I know I butchered his name Has left nintendo after many many years. He's done work on things like links awakening remasters platoon 3 We music mario kart we and mario kart 8 Mario galaxy 2 he did one of the most memorable songs in that track and many many others He was hired by nintendo in 2006 Obviously, we wish him well in his next chapter and it does appear that he left on completely good terms And he just wants to help the video game industry in a much wider role. So probably help young and aspiring um composers coming up so Good on him. I thank him for many of his works and uh Now we get to talk zelda, so hell yeah, um our first topic Uh tears of the kingdom has leaked it leaked back on monday There's a lot of things we could talk about with this. Uh, I'm not going to go through the whole list right now Um, first let's talk. We're not spoiling anything. Nobody. There will be no spoilers and I swear if If any of the people on this show say something spoiler, I have a button depressed to get to remove I can't remove hearing it, but I have to let's me get this out of out of the way I have to moderate comments on my own channel even though i'm avoiding leaks. So yes, I already know the final boss tangle No way I was going to spoil and say that Oh, damn it. I really didn't want to have to do that this early Anyway, it's not the final boss. I think I I mean, I technically don't know I I don't I don't know I mean, I assume ganondorf, but that's because we already know about ganondorf. So Well, but you know, the website does refer to the there's this mystery, right? Like what what is the true Like what is is ganndorf like just like a you know And it's those like craft and control your world master your imagination my imagination as tingle is the final boss So no or better. Yeah, one of the actual final boss is the master hand and it turns out There's it's the tears of the kingdom has a post credit scene that reveals that there's a super smash brother's movie coming Well, here we go. Now. Now we're just getting right right into the This is not how I thought this topic would start anyway So, uh, here's the kingdom leaked on monday. It's out there if you guys want to find it. You can you shouldn't but you can uh What do we think first off about the game leaking, you know, it's leaking almost two weeks early a couple days short Uh, it happens every switch game, but it's not a surprise. You know, like you said, it happens to to every switch game and I've seen some up and trying to stay away from it, but I've seen a lot of impressions from people that have been playing it on their pc on their switch not surprised at all and uh, you know, honestly if I had a little more time on my hands, I I'm not gonna say as I wouldn't but I think I might have heard Darren almost admit to a crime publicly. Hold on I haven't admitted. I haven't committed any crime. Just say Hold on, huh?  I think everybody really expected this to happen I've seen a lot of people up in arms about it online and Really, I mean, what were you expecting? It was gonna happen.  You got to mute words on twitter You got to get off a reddit. Whatever. Okay, definitely Yeah, yeah, stay off a reddit because I've seen some things that I didn't want to see You will see everything, but I'm still seeing some things And uh, yes, they off a reddit, but I'm not surprised and I'm surprised that people are so If you're one of those people that are surprised it's leaked then No, I think if people are surprised that either just angry about it Or they haven't been this passionate about all the other nintendo games that have come out right to realize that this happens every time Every single time. Yeah Scarlet and violet was about three weeks early for that. Yeah. Yeah, it happened for us as a wild too, you know, I mean Just stay away people just hunker down throw your phone in a drawer just chill Social media blackout for the next nine days. Yep. The worst part is Mostly most of the spoilers that I've seen are like people typing like it's been a message or something As far as images and videos Maybe it's just me, but I'm not seeing a ton of them. Like I haven't seen anything Yeah, you haven't seen the 70 plus live streams that have happened since one day No, because I feel like you have to search that search that out for a while You didn't have to if you were on tiktok. That's for sure. That's true. Uh, there was a tiktok stream on there for like 12 hours straight I'm just casually scrolling all but there's tears of the kingdom just keep going Oh, look, you came back around here. Here's the can oh my god. I haven't been on tiktok in months I deleted that off my phone so long ago It was Yeah, I deleted tiktok. It's probably like four or five months ago and I haven't looked back I'm on youtube shorts. So I guess I'm still part of the problem. I'm gonna check the stats. Is tiktok going down? Uh-oh I think short form content is here to stay. I don't know about tiktok. It'll be here forever Whenever someone especially if there's tears of the kingdom live streams on it'll be here for Yes, there are whenever someone complains about my videos being too long I'm like, listen if you didn't want me to tell you a 12 minute discussion in 30 seconds then go to tiktok. Why are you on youtube?  What do you expect? Right? Yeah, like You do the length it says it right on the video how long it is It's too long. Well, you saw it before you clicked. So what's going on? I haven't seen anything. Well, I can't say I haven't seen anything. I saw one thing on monday Right as it leaked And it was more like somebody messaged me on twitter and said hey, do you want to see this and I was like Yes But I asked them I was like, so what is it and they're like, well, it's this part of the game like it's towards the beginning and I'm like Okay, sure like if it's not any big story thing or whatever I saw it Just makes me want to play the game now Like that's the problem.  I got to wait nine more days for this thing that I can technically know everything about if I want It really helps you as a content creator Who's primary focus is zelba? All right, I'm a nintendo youtuber not a zelba youtuber Which it's it's a little bit of a blurred line situation right now It's a very blurred line people think i'm a zelba right now and i cover all nintendo It's just What am I supposed to do is i'll just Someone something was mad at me for talking about metroid today.  I'm like No, it was not Even if you think this is my worst you haven't seen anything yet. I also actually felt pretty good about the video I just say they just they just hated it because it wasn't what they wanted I wanted zelba. Yeah Um But like, you know, but my to my the point I was going to make though Is that like I think there's a little bit of a pressure because I don't have a review copy So i'm not playing the game early. Um, but you know, my plan is to cover zelba extensively So, you know, there's just was one part of me that would benefit by playing it now Because then I can get like tits videos lined up theory videos lined up and beat a lot of people to the punch but I also one don't want to do that because I want to experience the game the way it's intended. Um And then two, well, there's a whole Legal thing, right? So that makes a little challenging. Yeah, that said, I'm not I'm right over there Just straight up saying I will commit a felony of Game right now. Yeah, I could play this game right now if I wanted to but I'm not Yeah, I'm not so sure if I haven't done anything I'm not so sure if I believe him anymore.   It's it's over for you. I'm not I'm very proud of the fact that I haven't I could but I'm not I have a I have my old switch just sitting here waiting to be hacked and he says that as he as he goes to dock it Casually because it's dying it pops up on the tv behind him and you're like You're not now ninjas really Did you guys see that guy on twitter who got um He got re-tweeted by reggie and he deleted everything and like destroyed his account. I was like, no, I didn't see that. What happened? This guy apparently had tears of the kingdom Early and he had it like in the switch and he took a picture of himself pointing at the tv with a little icon there And reggie quote retweeted that tweet with the iconic Liam Neeson line where he's like, I have a particular set of skills Like I'll find you I'll hunt you down And like an hour after that the tweet was deleted and his account was gone and I was like I mean if I got quote retweeted by reggie, I would I would quit too I love reggie post being the president of nintendo of america because it seems like he's letting his sense of humor Uh go a little bit more than it would be if he was being watched by nintendo And it it is it is hilarious. That is hilarious. I if I got quote retweeted by reggie for that I'd probably delete my account too. Honestly. I you know, I may not be able to hide from the fbi, but I will try to hide from reggie We're assuming that this was a voluntary delete We're assuming this was voluntary Elon musk is out here like none of that No tears of the king Reggie screenshotted that tweet and he reposted it and he's like this was what the tweet was I think I take my chances with the fbi deer Yeah The more surprising thing was the physical copies that were leaked like the collector's edition and the mercury Yeah, how does that get out so early like they shouldn't I mean I feel like they shouldn't have shipped until now like not last week Yeah ship now maybe arrive at the end or It shouldn't be in store until next like thursday because that's the midnight launch Well, the look you're gonna ship them probably Like if I I would have them in warehouses in in the local in the local places this week And then I'd ship them from the warehouses on monday to arrive Maybe by wednesday because you don't want to you don't want to risk like oh suddenly it's friday and your shipment didn't arrive because that's going to piss off people so Um, I got her said they arrives early, but it really shouldn't arrive till next week Uh, this kind of sets up a uh a thing that I'm wondering obviously nintendo is really pissed about this But even though they also knew it was going to happen. It's still they're never happy when it does Uh Is there going to be a future where either we just Only have digital games because frankly the leaks happen because of physical copies or A future where they do what they do with primary master and they say you're going to get it two weeks after the digital version comes out I don't think I feel like that's not because I don't gotta worry about leaks at that point Like they could do it with something like metroid prime But could they get away with doing that with a brand new zelda game or a brand new mario game like I don't I don't know like I wait for weeks selling systems that don't even take physical copies so I mean, I think in I think in this climate. I don't think you could get away with Digital only then physical only for tears of the kingdom I mean you could get away with it technically because you're a nintendo, but people aren't going to be happy Andres is trying to take himself in I I have an idea and I know it's something that people are not going to agree with because it's different and It's also potentially stupid So I'll put that out there before I say what I say But what if nintendo for their next generation system did decide to go fully digital? but but they have a sort of counter measure for that because I mean from one on one and like nintendo Would love to go full digital because that that increases their that increases their profit margins Right and also they can avoid leaks Which also increases their profit margins because then more people will be forced to just buy the game instead of downloading it illegally But then also the controls just like the information getting out there when they don't want to like it benefits nintendo in so many ways to just go digital The only caveat is people being really upset because they don't have feel like they own the game physically and a lot of people are against Digital and a lack of trust of carrying digital libraries forward Sure sure although I personally think that when switch to is unveiled and they show how they're transitioning The nsso and stuff over people feel a little bit better about it, but still that I understand those points I'm not trying to argue that This fight for physical staying around is a bad thing not saying that I'm simply saying that nintendo would be okay with going for digital All digital if they could get away with it. So what if they did? Go full digital next gen But they started doing this thing kind of like Amiibo but to another level like every time they have a published title. They release some sort of physical Thing that it's like a celebration of that game That's a cool collector's item for us fans. It gives us something physical to retain to kind of enjoy and appreciate But also it gives it also grants us a digital code. Um, so we still get the game regardless, but it's not actually a game on a cartridge anymore Basically over embellished amiibos But it it's a little bit flexible because it can be something different depending on the game So could be basically like a little figure of link and it comes with a download code and you get it on launch day Yes, but the download code wouldn't be able to be redeemable until launch day So early copies wouldn't be an issue is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah And it's still it it gives us something that's cool And it works now it doesn't it's still a download code, right? Which will set people because they don't feel like they actually own the game but It would be cool.  I think is the idea of like in my house I could buy one copy of the game and just share it with people if it's physical like here Good take the cartridge here. Yulia have the cartridge. So like now I gotta buy A copy basically for everyone and I know you could put your accounts on multiple switches But then what happens if like with someone's play at the same time Then that doesn't really work So I miss the game cube era where you could take your disc Take it to to like or you don't you have to take a disc, right? You just take your memory card and you can play your file on someone else's your file on someone else's Yeah, yeah, that was nice You know, I don't think we're gonna have to worry about that for a while though I don't think games are gonna go full of digital for at least at the very very very very very minimum 10 years I think it's gonna be a while before We reached that realm of possibility. So Nintendo's last figures were about 50% of the sales were digital So, I mean that's good, but for them, that's good, but let me let me throw that means physical sticks around one more gen Yeah, I agree with that I I agree with that, but let me let me throw this out at you to kind of iterate upon my idea So what if Nintendo does start doing 70 dollar games? But but if you buy digital you get a 360 However, if you don't they're kind of doing that now the vouchers They brought the vouchers back right when they announced the price that shares the kingdom But like so if you do if you buy the 70 dollar version, it's um, it comes with like an amiibo or something right, um, so it kind of gives something some sort of value to that, right, but um It's also charging more and what it's going to ultimately do it's going to start weaning people off Buying physical because if they can get digital for cheaper More people are going to start buying digital and if it gets to a point where 90 percent are buying digital Then the next gen they might be like hey if 90 percent are buying digital We probably can make the football jump. I mean i'm living proof that people Who preferred physical games? Can't switch to digital. I I bought physical games forever. That was my preference But you know, honestly like for me I live Nate knows I live in the middle of nowhere the nearest wal-mart is like an hour and 15 minutes away for me Nearest game stop is the same amount of time I don't know how he has internet if i'm being honest.  It's a price to pay.  I was a physical game Person i'm not now And I think as time goes on and you see more of uh, you know, I mean like you said, Nate Other companies are selling uh digital only consoles where they don't have a disk drive They charge more for the disk drive, you know, we're gonna see more of that and I think you're gonna see more people Switch over to digital only like you were saying it's gonna happen And there's gonna be holdouts, but there's gonna be way less holdouts as time goes on. I feel Yeah, I guess we'll see. Um So one interesting thing about this and I don't know how much everyone's paid attention outside of my channel, but uh Do we do do we dare talk about kataku?  I really wanted to know how bad the article was So I skimmed through it and read like the headlines and then I was like you could have just went to archive.org Not game anyway. That's true Just just a tip you wait a day archive.org has it anyways Um, no, it's fine. Look, I I did a click on it because I had to check it out like I Report now I gotta do my research So the so just to catch everyone who's watching up in case you haven't seen there was a few things that happened with kataku The writer of that article yesterday Ethan gash went on twitter last week to complain about kataku not being invited to the demo event Basically saying that nintendo has them blacklisted and the fact that nintendo has them blacklisted is unprofessional and coercive Um for those who don't know they've been blacklisted since 2021 late 2021 Kataku's never really published the reason why they were blacklisted Uh, it turns out it might have something to do with a certain article They did on metroid dread the day after release where they were talking about how well it runs on emulators And if you want to play old metroid games Don't buy them pirate them. Thank god for pirates. These are actual quotes from the article You won't find that in the article today because nintendo was not happy contacted them. They edited and removed all that stuff Uh, but you can go on archive.org find the original article. It's pretty bad. Um So calling nintendo unprofessional in a situation where you behaved unprofessionally felt really really weird and then Uh, they put up that article again. This was created by ethan gash where those don't know basically they put a bunch of spoilers Uh from all the leaks which are all they're all gameplay spoilers. So it's not story stuff But a bunch of gameplay spoilers content spoilers, etc Uh in a giant article Uh, here's all the things we learned from the cheers the kingdom leaks or whatever I think is the as the title or something along those lines Which obviously when you do that that's also unprofessional if you want to be somebody who is privy to review copies Well, I think what kataku forgets and maybe this is just the arrogance of the outlet Is that no one's entitled to review copies? They are a privilege. They are not a right just because you exist Yes, your website gets millions of views My channel got millions of views last month. It doesn't entitle me to be invited to these events Okay, that's just not how that works. They can choose Yeah, and they pick and choose Okay, if you've behaved unprofessionally and they've had to contact you multiple times to edit articles Chances are they don't really like you that much and they're not going to allow you to To behave notice kataku how ign game spot even polygon aren't making these kind of articles And they get invited There's a certain professional decorum. You're not you're not presenting That's getting you blacklisted and the funny thing was was right after that article went out Obviously, there were comments many of them across social media I was being like, what are you doing kataku?  The first thought is I mean, look if kataku is going to behave that way, then they're going to behave that way and They're free game and they're just going to keep acting that way cool So stop calling out nintendo for being unprofessional just accept that you're going to be this kind of website That's going to report everything no matter what dragon Nate cool My second thought is What the hell you talking about luke plunkett because he went on in that like quoting this person luke plunkett's one of their senior editors and then he went on to compare nintendo and black listing to world war two I don't know if it was necessarily world war two. I think it was just more of an ace fighter pilot Okay, it doesn't matter. I was trying not to get into specifics It related to killing people basically An image related to killing people Now after my video went up I don't know if it's because of my video because he was already getting a lot of flak his twitter account went private yada yada yada Because obviously he's probably getting blasted by a lot of people I'll arguably rightfully so when you're making a pretty ridiculous comparison and acting as if Kataku deserves to not be blacklisted By the way, kataku is the most blacklisted outlet in the world and is blacklisted by over a half dozen triple a studios They're the only outlet. I think it's about who deserves to be blacklisted and i'm not one to defend kataku And I think Them acting unprofessional while calling in ten no unprofessional Is the pot calling the kettle black? Obviously however If I work let's go if I owned A media outlet a gaming media outlet and I was blacklisted You better believe I would be reporting on every single leak that I found sure Every single leak. Oh here's the difference. That in itself is fine Yes In my opinion if you're blacklisted you gotta admit that against a company you're mad whatever If you're right or wrong doesn't matter, you know, it's it's a it's a logical step You're gonna report on leaks. You're gonna be petty about it. You're gonna be petty about it.   What are you doing?  No, they just accept who they are if kataku wants to be that way you accept it and don't complain They are They want the cake and they want to eat it too, right? They want all the clicks But then they also want the professional decorum from the companies To keep giving them access when they can't trust that day one or maybe i'm sorry Day two that they're not going to talk about tears of the kingdom emulation Literally the following day after the game comes out because they Dumped their copy and they were emulating the game and that's how they did their review They they can't they just can't trust kataku So Right, I mean there is freedom of speech. Yes. They can say what they did It nobody's saying that they can't it's if you do say what you're saying Don't expect to get a copy of the game. It's that's the consequences of being that type of outlet Just know who you are own it and there's no controversy I would not even making videos at kataku if they didn't try to rope in that nintendo's behaving badly towards them While they continually do stupid stuff kataku is free to report on whatever they want kataku is free to say About nintendo whatever they want nintendo is also free to not ever give them a review copy ever again On both sides. They're both free to do whatever there was a user on twitter who brought up Well, what's the difference between you nate and kataku kataku posting leaks nate you post leaks Well, also the fact that I don't do it after a game leaks The biggest thing to me is I also am not bad mouthy in a company for not giving me a review copy I report leaks. Do I expect a review copy? No, was I mad that I wasn't invited to a zelda special demo event? No, I don't expect it. I cover leaks on my channel. There's also a difference between reporting on leaks I posted a couple images of the art book leak. Yeah, they're not going to invite me if I do that It's cool. I accept that There's also a difference on reporting on leaks and telling people to go pirate games. Well, I mean There's also way a huge difference though. Yeah, though the initial article That's a little bit of an unprofessional decor I'm like the date like right around the time the game comes out like wait a week Wait a couple of weeks let people Enjoy the game. Even then you still won't tell them to go pirate the game Well as a professional on this, but you don't tell them go do it technically They didn't say in the article to go pirate Metroid threat. I want to clarify They don't actually say go pirate the game. They talk about everything about how great it runs But at the end is when they say go pirate the old Metroid games And technically in the United States that is still illegal So it's like So they they did solicit illegal activity. Yes They said well, yeah, they're exact words were don't buy the old Metroid games emulate them instead They voided the word piracy, but what does that mean? How are you gonna play him if you don't buy him? right Yeah, so I mean and then the line that says thank god for pirates So what you have here you have you have a writer for the article You have a writer that wrote this out and included those statements in there advocating supposedly maybe advocating piracy and then you had someone That read through that article And checked it out and was like, yeah, this is yeah all the article who maybe had another guy or that same guy Approved the whole yeah, how did that make it out? Let's send it out. They have a process. You know, I went through you write it and it goes through an editor Who went through a copy editor it went through the writer's brain There's at least two or three steps there that it went through and it got approved every single step of the way And it still made it on the website. What are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing? What did you think was gonna happen? I'll tell you what you didn't think was gonna happen. Obviously what's happening now or else you wouldn't be upset about it Yeah, it's coming crazy But I want to spin the reason I was oh I want to spin this into a general conversation on how to how is youtubers to handle a situation? like this because I've said this probably and I'll keep saying it. I'm not covering anything Out of the I cover leaks of games up until A game leaks online. Once the full game leaks online I stopped covering it because I'm not here to spoil the whole game for you to me game leaks before that happens Are in good faith. They're fun.  So I personally just say I'm not going to talk about That stuff any any leak from the game itself But other channels do things differently And that's okay. Like I've seen switch force putting out some videos See nintendo over there put out some videos. So I'm very curious like because that's my side of the coin So like nintendo. Well, how do you feel about trying to cover leaks once a game is fully out there? Yeah, it's It's a weird position because I feel like it's something that we're not supposed to talk about like taboo almost but People want to that's what they're searching right now. I mean if you look at the best videos They're they're all leaks or actual gameplay that people are doing which is crazy. Yeah, I don't know how some of those videos Yeah, there was one It's gonna be hitting those channels if they just because they haven't got there. Yeah, it's gonna happen There was one that had like 50 000 views of like just gameplay in like three hours and it's no longer there anymore So yeah, nintendo's working overtime. They're they're making changes are out here Yeah, yeah, I don't know.  I feel like gameplay stuff I want to know as a fan, but yeah anything story-wise i'm clicking off So and you know when I start the video, it's always like here's a spoiler warning I think I gave like five of them so no one in the comments could say anything plus you're watching a video on New gameplay details. So like why would you click on that? So It's all about it's our responsibility to to not put anything in the thumbnails the titles And just kind of be straight up with people What you're what you're doing what you're talking about so Sure. Yeah, I agree. I mean I think YouTube is the most dangerous place because you can mute words on twitter. You can stay off of reddit You can stay off of instagram, but youtube man people love To just throw the final cut scene as the thumbnail for a video and youtube doesn't know any better Than to serve up that video to you and say hey, you like zelda. Here's a zelda video that's doing really good You might like this one too And I think kind of like what nintendox said it's our responsibility to not put those things in the thumbnail You can have it in the video and give your spoiler warnings and all that Because by the time people get to that they've been adequately warned It's on them if they're not paying attention or they just decide to watch the whole thing So that's no longer on us as for me personally I've avoided everything story related. I don't want to know anything story related But I have watched a couple videos on like okay. Well, are there dungeons in the game or are there not dungeons in the game? what like what does the gameplay look like because I kind of wish nintendo gave just a little bit more In terms of that like not story stuff But just like a little bit more on the gameplay side Because I do kind of want to know what i'm getting and someone who's also seen some things I'm always researching all the stuff. So I run into everything Let's just say that it's i'm even more confused at nintendo's marketing Because they pretty much why confidence they showed us nothing There is so much They left major things out like selling points even but yeah, like think things that would Could have as an example could have destroyed the dlc argument. Yeah Like just just with just with one sentence. I mean, I think they I think they already did that I did that with that last trailer with that last trailer. They did But there's some stuff in there like there's the more traditional zelda fans who are like I didn't like breath of the wild because it was too untraditional and too open Okay, there's stuff in this game that would have totally won them back over and you didn't say it So are they just waiting? I guess for word of mouth to get out For the content career probably hey Reviews on forward. They're probably like those people will be caught by the reviews and the word of mouth I think is tendo really banks on their games I don't think they totally bank on their marketing as much as other companies, you know, they know their audience they know their customers And they know I mean with breath of the wild there was a lot of word word of mouth going around Uh, you know, I really think they're banking on this games comes out people are gonna play it People are gonna buy it based off the hype people are gonna buy it based off the fact that there's zelda slash Nintendo fans Word is gonna spread and I think they're really operating on a policy of the game speaks for itself You know as someone who's who's seen a bunch of leaks You guys have seen a bunch of leaks no spoilers But You know the game's not DLC In any in any measure of of however you want to talk about I don't think you need to see the leaks to know that right like I've avoided I've heard a couple little things right that i'm not sure or true or not But like you you don't need the leaks to know that that it's right It's not but I mean the leaks just further confirm that and I won't talk I mean And here's another reason that I avoided because like I know I have this big live stream event coming I'm doing like almost a week straight of playing like 12 hour streams um Another reason that for me personally, this is a content creator i'm avoiding is because I know i'm streaming the game I think my live stream is going to be more entertaining if I don't know what's about to happen Right, that's a prize factor. It's like people get a raw real reaction of a zelda fan playing this game for the first time You know you ever see a fake live reaction Yeah, I've seen the fake ones But I think that that would be fair to call cringe So yeah, um I like what he said, so I've already seen this but now let's live react. Oh, what? And just for the record, I just want to put this out there. I'm not judging anyone who has taken a look Right because I get it Oh I don't think that wasn't a content creator. Who knows what i'm doing right and just for the just for the record right um I have not looked I have not seen any footage but I'm I'm relatively aware what people are saying and even though i'm not 100 sure There are comments that come up with consistency that I can kind of guess what is happening, right? Um, but by not actually confirming it. There's some level of doubt So I'll still have that surprise when I actually pay the game, especially if I don't see any footage Um But I get it like I I get it right so i'm not judging anyone. Um, who has taken a look But I also think it's definitely bad to spoil it for other people. I definitely think you shouldn't be doing that So if you're jumping the comments saying, oh my god tickles the final boss and you're not joking I think that's I think you should dial it back a little bit I the one the one clip I've seen Felt so good because it confirmed like this big theory I had about the game and just that it confirmed that part Now has me speculating moon theory because that mean the rest of what I thought is also true So I don't know I've I've been staying away from it but also to kind of go back to the dlc thing And I made I made a youtube short on this on why this game is not dlc because if you want to say Oh, it has the same world same characters like oh the same map blah blah blah Okay, if we're saying that then mario galaxy is dlc majoris mask is dlc god of war ragnarok is dlc Like you can go down the list And say hey all these other games are dlc But I've also seen That I think the only reason people latch on to oh, it's dlc is because alnuma said in an interview Oh, yeah, you know we had so many good ideas that you know We're going to be dlc that we're just going to make a whole new game and I think if he hadn't said that The dlc argument would be invalid because that's where people get it from is like Oh, this was supposed to be dlc, but now they want to charge us 70 dollars for it So it's like just let it go just let it go I'm I'm waiting for this game to sweep the game awards and everybody get upset because 70 dollar dlc one game of the year And you're just mad because whatever jedi survivor didn't win game of the year. I don't know Yeah, the dlc argument the people that are saying that or tweeting it out.  Yeah, they're grow There's like triple the content in this game like almost to the point where breath of the wild becomes like obsolete honestly from what I've seen it's like One of the biggest compliments was that we talked I was talking about this before the leak that you know Maybe breath of the wild was a bit of a tech demo for this game From what I've heard it basically sounds like yeah, it was a tech demo compared to what this game is doing So, you know what's what's funny? Because we think about how much the nintendo showed until the last couple weeks I think the tunnel's actually Done a good job of marking the game, you know in this last is this last month. Yeah, it's been great Last month last month but before this last month. There's a lot of like talk Oh, the tunnel's doing a terrible job marking this game blah blah blah this and that and There was some speculation. I mean heck. I think I threw out the speculation I don't know if people took the spectrum turn into a rumor right, but apparently it's now a rumor But I just threw it out as a random idea, but like what if Not the entire team Was developing tears of the kingdom right hence why it doesn't seem as big Right, it's taking them so long and so they can't so they have that other half of the team Working on the next big zelda, so we don't have to wait in our six years for that one Like that was like some speculation going around right, but like now three No, I mean he's been against that this whole time, but I haven't like no. Yes. We're getting a third. Well, I mean I mean I gotta see the end of this game first if this game sells gangbusters They'll find a way to get a third one in there listen while I don't think that's gonna happen I think it could happen Sure the possibility absolutely But under this hypothetical of there being a separate team working on the next zelda That would be a whole other new thing Yeah, yeah, they you and they used to do that by the way They used to have two zelda teams working at the same time on different games On those back when they used to do top down and three right at the same time Yeah, yeah, but the speculation would be like they stopped that with breath for the wild Was when they stopped that because they needed everyone on that one game Yeah, they're in a good spot though because they have win waker. They have twilight princess They have the oracle games they could remaster Yeah Yeah, my theory is they held on to twilight princess of win waker because they needed something to go between this game and the next big one Yeah, and then um, they could still have grezzo remaster more games They're gonna drop in between two Do we think they uh, do we think they drop twilight princess and win waker in the same year or spread them out over two years? I think it's gonna get spread out at this point because I think I think they're going to be on the new system And they'll do like 4k 4k 60 and that's an excuse to drop them again individual Yeah, and make them 60 bucks a pop Just like skyward sword 70 probably at that point Maybe 70 for both 70 for both that would be fair. Yeah, they're gonna release them separate. Come on guys I also I also think that there's there's some Reasonable plausibility that they could go back and remake arc me of time again Please but like everyone wants that to happen because we wanted As a stop gap between the next zealot because we have to wait seven years for next big zealot because there's there is a pattern of I will throw out there though like after what happened with final fantasy seven that just doing And like an hd sort of remake of arc me of time might feel disappointing when You know the other game that's really massively remembered from that generation Got a much bigger treatment. Well, hold on a second. All right. I agree. I agree But I said remake not remaster and if if we go by nintendo standards remaster now me if you look at metro primary master remaster Now means essentially full on visual redo, right? Essentially um, if we call it a remake For a nintendo that does somewhat mean kind of like final fantasy remake. Maybe not totally Maybe more like how capcom handles Have you looked at nintendo's remakes? Oh, they're really pretty much the same game with a little bit of extra content Link's awakening. I think is to find is a remake, right? Yeah, it has I mean it has extra content It does. Yeah final fantasy seven remake kind of changes the story to right Technically, you're fine. Well, I mean, it's not it's not Because you find out what playing and it's not yeah, but and I understand that our argument too Would nintendo touch the story on a zelda remake though because then they'd have to go and like well redo the whole timeline And that would throw everything With ocreate time no though because ocreate time is where the split occurs Yeah, but if they change anything in that game, it would affect the split but they can make the third timeline split Is that exactly thank you because ocreate time really only explains for two splits But according to the timeline, there is a third split that isn't really addressed I don't think they'll do anything with it because they They could do an ocreate of time remake and tweak the story a little bit and not give a single shit about the timeline It's just what they yeah, they tweak it retcons things like oh crap. We gotta change the timeline again I'm gonna I'm gonna stop talking about this until after cheese the kingdom comes out Yeah, that's I mean the biggest thing is how does here's the kingdom end? That could really change the perspective on where we think zelda was going after so Yes, and obviously just here's the kingdom in general. What does it do in general and then it might be like oh Well, then this is the way it should go or that's the way it should go It's really a lot of things that tears the kingdom can change our conversations on Gameplay story Then i'm pretty confident about for tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild Moving forward for the new 3d like new ones not remakes new ones I don't think open world's going anywhere for a while I think that this is just going to be the future for a long time open world zelda I'm 100 okay with that and I think a lot of people are Yeah, I just think the sales are too big on open world and yeah fubi ashi He's now done the two of these games. I think he's going to continue to be the director for a bit So I don't see how they go back Yeah, I'm well that's what I'm saying like look at the sales.  Maybe a financial By the way, I'm not saying we won't get any more top-down zelda games that are more traditional I think that absolutely can still happen It was just the big I'm just telling the big third person perspective 3d games You can't have it on the third person perspective zelda game. That's like a skyward sword formula now You just can't yeah, I just don't think you can do a game like that again I mean you can but it would it would disappoint so many people that became fans It wouldn't sell as well. I just it never mind disappointing people It just wouldn't sell as well. Nintendo has a big problem Like how do you make a better game than tears of the kingdom? How do you make a better game than mario kart at the lock super smash ultimate? Yeah, dude, you can't I don't know how you do better than smash ultimate that that's Everyone is back. What are you gonna do? Everyone is gone. That's the tagline for the next game. Everyone is gone. Everyone is gone. Where do they all go? The license is expired. We don't have them Either reboot or he's gonna be around. Don't worry. You'll save the day somehow One or the other reboot or stack on top Yeah, they can definitely Sakurai said, you know, hey, I'm not opposing doing another one, but Nintendo needs to let me take a new direction with it It's like I will float this idea with you guys though, right? Like for us, it seems like kind of lofty that they can improve upon significantly from some of these games But if these games are taking at least half a decade to come out Just think of us as country for content careers, right? We have to think about videos all the time Right and like sometimes like man, how can I come up with a video a day? Right and obviously we all have different paces But point is is that we're still able to find ways to come up with content consistently Imagine if you have five years to come out with one game In terms of like Even that. Wow, they've had five-year gas between the big 3d Zelda games both long before this I mean the activision shits out of Call of Duty every year. It's something that Nintendo can do with new Zelda games Right. Well, to be fair with Call of Duty. They have rotating teams So it's not like they're taking one year to make the game. Yeah, but they used to have rotating teams with zelta Well, it wasn't rotating. They had a handheld team and a 3d team. It was just two separate games But now you got rotating because they would be like Now you've got console though. You know what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I wonder if the answer is like making your games as a service Like I don't think you can do a zelta version But like a mario kart where it gets updated every week or every day or something same Splatoon or I don't trust nintendo to do that. Not after not after how they did animal crossings. They're dirty. I don't I don't trust Splatoon, but I Yeah, I imagine service nintendo does not That's what's next guys switch sports MMO xeno blade actually That would be cool. How about MMO both games that have crossover dlc through it? Oh, you know what?  It feels I haven't played it. It's got a really great world. Yeah um Okay, so there's been other oddball things we can absolutely talk about as an example Why the hell did the file size change guys? What happened? They took stuff out for dlc day one deal. I'm calling it They cut content. No, I don't think so cut content day one dlc It's optimization, you know, it's optimization It's a big optimization though. Yeah two gigs 2.2 gigs just chopped off Like doing that like a week before launch or a couple weeks before launch. It's crazy Nate are there any other examples of this or does anyone know of any other example? I looked through the switch library anyways, and there hasn't been this big of a cut There's no way they cut 500 megabyte cut before but not Some of the idea that they may have gotten like language language packs out of it so that you would download those separately But I don't know. Well, I can also Look guys. Here's the one spoiler you get tonight. All the languages are in Every version yes, I can turn tears of the kingdom into an You can turn on any version of the voice acting you want I don't consider this to be a spoiler by the way That's why I'm mentioned you can turn on any of the any of the voice acting you want You can do that in breath of the wall. You can do that at least with English and Japanese Yeah, but you can do it with all of them. So Eric, can you ban Nate, please? Ban them Yeah, yeah, so that's why so I bring that up because it kind of shoots a theory that maybe they were cutting like languages in certain territories So I I don't know it could just be a compression thing like I remember this one I say sometimes and I don't know if people get it But like I remember this one time soccer is talking about Like Nintendo's amazing compression technology. That's how they were to fit down smash But there's so much and smash is huge. There's so much content in that Like they need impressive compression technology for a game like that To your to your points from earlier, like maybe it's just straight up. Hey, we have we've optimized it And we've compressed it down so it can fit onto a smaller cartridge so we can save money That's it. I mean, Nintendo's really good at compression.  So um Yeah, and just for clarity because some people may hear it may hear the smaller They think oh, they took out a content like or they might look at the storage space I'm like, oh, it's not that much bigger than Breath of the Wild It storage space is it's such a minor minor minor Infantesimal correlation to what the actual content of the game is. I also have a theory um And it's a little weird that they would have left the file size go public in the first place because they're the ones that published at 18.2 originally But I do think that the latter half of the development of this game was also being made in mind for new hardware And they might have had the 4k textures in the original 18.2 and that's what they took out What's what's the only b2 gigabytes? Uh, they can be because I don't think it's gonna be true 4k It's gonna it's gonna be upscaled So so it could be like 1440p or 1080p because apparently the game runs at 900p or something So it could be full 1080p or full But somewhere between 1080 and and whatever texture they needed it to hit effort to look really good Probably 1440. Yeah, so like they could have just cut out that and that could be the difference Would freight would um 60 fps at all have anything to do with with storage space Size I don't I don't think that would have anything to do with storage I think I think that's just having the power to run it. I don't think it's something to worry about I don't think they're cutting content. It's just optimization and compression You watch you say that and then literally the effort comes out. Oh, look at it. Look at these incredible launch sales By the way, brand new dlc everyone You can buy the sky island pack You can buy a sky island The moon is dlc. Yes. Oh, here we go. There you go Coming through one way or another I mean the other thing that they could that could have happened to is that they had you know goals in mind that They were going to hit that 18.2 And that just got released But they just couldn't quite get like a feature to work or something so they had to take it out and it just dropped the Drop the file size a little bit, you know, it's I mean, I saw like a little bit I think the full size of some of the games Yeah, I I think the thing is once the store once we got the storage space like the initial one That was when the game was content complete So I don't I don't think it's like they couldn't get it I also have something to say here Some people think that the the they just Compressed the hell out of what they needed to so they could fit on a 16 gigabyte cartridge And I understand that sentiment because it's cheaper than going up to the 32 I used to be curious to find out if the cartridges are actually 32 gigs and they're not using it Because a 16 gigabyte cartridge isn't actually 16 gigabytes of room because it's actually They got to have some stuff in there to for redundancy with the Flash memory so you're only getting actually about 15 gigs of space not 16 So if the game's actually 16 and the full games on the cartridge They won't actually be able to use a 16 gigabyte cartridge or that they only put 15 And then really you have to download or an update But then that really couldn't be the case because the whole thing leaked and people don't need to update So I'm really curious Because by the way, I've seen the the the file size of the supposed ROM It wouldn't fit on a 16 gigabyte cartridge. So I don't so I think that theory's sort of long on the cartridge Would it save the size? I can't I can't Wouldn't a rom dump just dump the entire Contents of the cartridge isn't I don't know how it works. I'm gonna see how it works. Yes. Yes, right Derek, how did you do it? I haven't done it I swear Almost some of the rom dump is like is the 18.2 gigabytes Well, it's not it's not 18.2 It's not is it less or more it's less it's less Okay, so that's so that's the thing where it's kind of like I'm pretty sure they're using 32 gigabyte cartridges in anyway So I sort of think that theory is blown out and that by the way that theory is popularized I think by rgt85 I put a video on oh nintendo is trying to cheapen out and you know now they've got to go with you know His excuse was oh, well, they're using 32 gigabyte cartridges. That's why the game 70 bucks Oh now it's 16. So that excuse doesn't work. It's like I'm pretty sure it still would have to be on a 32 gigabyte cartridge either way I don't see anything on the cartridges. So I mean, yeah, it's probably like a serial number thing You don't look up I I also don't think it would matter for our experience of the game because of the intent like whatever they compress it to It wouldn't be something that would be noticeable for us like it would still be The same quality game. Yeah, I don't think we'd notice anyways. Um Let me see what was oh, oh, yeah Uh, so we know we now know uh, this was announced by her on twitter that patricia's back voicing zelda on the english version. So that's It's pretty neat Some people are really shocked when they saw her post in a video because her Normal voice sounds nothing Like her zelda voice or is she Almost like she's a professional voice Almost as if it's shocking when people can do more than just their own voice Yeah, it's actually he's a professional Yeah, I mean, I would say that that does say some things about the game like from a speculation standpoint because that means The voice is zelda that we thought was zelda. Okay. That is zelda, right? So there's no debate there because before there's a little bit of it Oh, that might not be zelda, but no it is zelda that talks to link So what that does tell us from the trailers is that okay link and zelda have a conversation Early on to the game after they've met ganondorf So How that I don't know how how that translates with the story or if there's some sort of like trickery there But that's at least what the trailer now suggests since we know that zelda is Her theory of mine that could be correct So there you go And then we already know siden's back so won't be surprised that that voice actor is back as well So we'll just Have to wait and see because we haven't officially seen the voice actor the characters My head's like, oh what theory? Oh, he must be so playable No, no, that's not that's not it. I can tell you there's not it. I feel like Because I've said I've seen stuff I can't say what the theory is because it would imply that oh This is the theory that I thought let me guess you had the zelda dead's theory and now no actually I was one of the first people I got so much flak on our podcast we did a breakdown of the second trailer And we saw like the white robed or like white dress and I was like, oh my gosh guys That's zelda because like it would imply that there's short hair because you can't see the hair From like the shoulders down and everyone was like no, that's not true You're just like it's just because you like zelda so much and then we got the third trailer We saw zelda in the dress and I lost my mind because I was like I was right. It's all I'm saying I was right. So let's just say let's just say I predict I pretty sure I predicted how the game starts and I got it right. I won't say anything else And I'm very happy that I got it right All right, I need them there you go Uh, so nobody about spoilers by the way, right zelda's zelda's voice is is official. Yeah, it's officially confirmed Yeah, it's not a spoiler that patricia is doing it. She announced it on twitter She got permission from nintendo. So it's a right in her tweet You want to agree on tonight gears? When I talk about an officially released nintendo trailer and like spoilers The nintendo spoiler then Yeah, yeah, here's the thing. Yeah, this is always my opinion if nintendo released it. It's fair game I agree. I don't want to I don't want to hear a spoiler you get mad at nintendo not me. I agree Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I'm talking about something that's in a trailer. Do you get mad at me? That's that's on you I do think it's interesting. She waited what it's been A long time two weeks three weeks since Matt mercer tweeted that he was ganondorf like they Gave him approval to tweet that like the day after the trailer came out Well, I think because he's a new addition, you know, like maybe they thought it might drive some excitement where it's like Oh, well, let's wait. I'll be interested to see if the guys we've only had two people though Because like there's obviously more than two voice actors in this game.  I know but i'm just gonna say it anyway watch the day one Um, some random actor not right but some like a good voice actor comes out on twitter It's like hey, so they just gave me a thumbs up. I can now say that I am playing the role of link in tears of the kingdom That would be so crazy That's what i'm saying It's like how long until the the credits at the end of the game leaks and they just say hey Link has a voice actor I'm pretty sure they're already out there. I come out and be like I may or may not have seen In tears of the kingdom and we're like the credit I may or may not have seen the credits I like I just like looking at who's involved in the game, you know I'm just curious how big the team really is so you know, because this is just what they're giving credit to They don't always credit everyone who worked on the game. So so you know if link has a voice or not? Well, I guess that's not But yeah, I can't comment on any of them That's the best part is like everyone else on my show has not looked at anything So I can't even talk to them like we just did an episode on Let's talk about like our final hype for tears of the kingdom because we record in advance and I'm like man I know all this stuff from leaks and stuff and I can't say anything because I can't spoil it for the audience And I can't spoil it for you guys and you're saying man. I really hope this is in there and I'm like I have the answer I could tell you if it is or isn't but I can't because you don't want to know and it's Yeah, we have a tears of the kingdom spoiler Area on my discord server and every now and then I'll pop it in there. Look. I just want to know this one thing Anyone says more than this. I'm banning you right now. Wait for me to leave the chat, please So I know everything I want to know but then I keep coming up with more questions I know one thing I want to know another then I want to know another and I'm like no nate the 12 Far away Stop it. I took just the tip of the drug. Don't take the rest Okay, all right Game leaked I was like I was like Nate, dude, like where's the leaks hook me up? Yeah, you were the straight up ask me for a rom file. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I don't feel like searching around I was at word like I don't feel like searching around I just texted Nate and he's like, let me just send you to the discord and I was like That channel I saw a couple things and I was like, all right. I got what I wanted. I'm good. I'm out Every day that passes it's one less day that we need to wait You know, like I like right now you guys have information And I know it's out there and I'm just like I can hold out. I'm good I'll make it to the 12 I can hold out because I have too much else going on But right now since I'm stuck in this conversation I don't mean that with a negative connotation by the way But I just mean like because I'm here right. I'm not gonna just bounce It's like the information is like right there. So it's it's kind of right at the tip It's right at the tip, but like you're just like all I need is one word from you and I got it Imagine you're in a room A room there's nothing in there just the door behind you right no windows just all Four white walls by six by six very small There's a small table And there's a little manila folder right there and there's like a sheet of paper Inside that folder and all you have to do is flip open the folder To see what happens at the end of choose the kingdom or whatever you want to know That's what I feel right now Like all I have to do is It's I wouldn't want to know the ending though. All right. No, I don't I don't want to know right, but I'm just Anything you could possibly want to know it's like come on guys. We're so close We're skirting the line so much like just give me the one word I want but then don't give it to me But I kind of want it I have to fight it because I'm like I just want to know like what if it's just the beginning of the game like just a little bit before we start playing like what like How do we get to start playing? I just wanted to see what happened to be fused this infuse that so I had to sort through Can I please the master Look, I had to sort through 17 hours of footage to find out if that worked And I just happened to keep watching at that point because I already watched 17 hours We don't want it because I have seen some of the beginning of the game and it is You don't want to see it. Stop it. Darren. No, that's what I'm saying is like from what I've heard It's one of those things that I just want to be able to experience that on my own But You do not want to see it. You do not know spoilers, but don't don't don't look at it How do you guys feel about the the preview and how much they allowed them to show because they basically just showed The mechanics and the crafting. Do you think they Should have had them show more I mean, you know, like I was saying earlier, I don't know why they're hiding the whole opening area That's why I think helpful secretive up there. They just want the game to prove itself They want to let the game speak for itself and I understand that it's a different approach than most Most video games, you know, would I like to see a little bit more Officially sure but reviews will see plenty of them Right, you know, I whatever the mark, you know, their marketing approach as it is now I I don't really have a lot of problems with it um I don't they're they're hiding things for a good reason They're hiding things for a good reason and we're all going to be surprised and amazed and we're going to love it so Our our previews are right here or those spoilers Yeah official public information I haven't been able to talk about previews on our show because of spoilers for other people Uh, I watched it all I loved it I lost my mind when I saw they changed the inventory and now it's vertical instead of sideways And I literally On a live stream I was like, you know what they should add in tears of the kingdom when my inventory is full Just pop up a menu that lets me drop something.  I was like Game of the year favorite game of all time Well, speaking of that can this game review as well as Breath of the Wild? Uh, yes. Yes, because 97 It's Literally the highest rating hold the 97 it couldn't hold it You just need one snob to ruin it Because there there are outliers outliers can skew everything. So that's like the tricky part with with with reviews. Um but I think that if well katak is still counted. I think we found her outlier What's this 30 from? Well, maybe you need a cut maybe one outlier might not ruin it. I mean, but you know I I don't it's tricky because I I do think that reviews Are a little bit of a prisoner of the moment Um situation, right? I I don't think reviews are always super reliable Even through Metacritic like it helps to have a a larger sample size, but like for example, I remember Um, I and this is I'm not sliding IGN for this. Um, it's just kind of an example Right. I used to watch IGN all the time Um, but I remember when skyward sword came out and they gave they put out the review for for skyward sword And they called it masterful. They gave it the perfect 10. Um, but going back to that review now What I I'm not saying it's skyward sword is a great game But I feel that That review is colored by hype And I I think there's a lot of recency I was written by like a mega nintendo fan. Yeah, so And I I don't I think skyward sword is definitely deserving of like the 9.5 thing Like it's a great game. Um, unless you hate motion controls if you're okay with motion controls It's a great game But my point simply is is that People can get caught up in moments and it can go both ways though, right? Like sometimes people can get caught up in some sort of Personal stance they have right for example Tuesday the kingdom is $70. Some people may review the game poorly or more critically because of that Do I think that's fair? Yes, that's like a normal ish thing though now for like big games to be 70 like ps5 Series X But like I wouldn't be surprised if I like at least like fan reviews. There'll be some fan. Yeah, yeah, you know Especially old hardware Performing I mean there is performance. Well, that's another thing though There's some people who are very much like oh switch. I don't even want to play on this device in worse two weeks They may review To use the kingdom unfavorably when they notice frame drops or like, oh, this is only 900p Like there are things like that that can color reviews That aren't necessarily an objective measure of the quality of the game overall for its platform And that's just the way it is, right? At no, there's no review this totally objective that does not exist anyone who says their big totally objective is lying So an objective review would be boring and you wouldn't want to see it anyways. Yeah My game lagged when the entire screen was painted with explosions and every mob was dying Oh, no, I went down from 30 fps to 22. I'm man bad game For a third of a second for a third of a second bad game Yeah, yeah, if dare review tears of the kingdom if you give it a 9.8 One over one over 10 too many One third second Like drops. Yeah can't do it on playable Only 907.2 too much water. They added more water in the game much water And with how much time some of these reviewers get do you think they play through all of the game Before they review it. I think they make the main story They beat the main story Possible to beat the main story in a week Sure And but that that's another thing that bothers me though. Oh, but I will say this objective about it too I want to say something on this because I I got a review copy of spark to hope, right? Um, and I did follow the embargo and I dropped a review right at the time embargo I definitely played that game significantly different than I would have played it. Had I not Um, I was bum Russian I was doing now I almost 100% of the game before the review and grant that's a much easier game to 100% tears of kingdom is going to be but um I was russian russian russian to get to the end get to the end get to the end get to the end like I It was playing it in a way that I would never play a first playthrough of a game period um And I think that can affect your review like I sat there while I had all these notes and I was Right in the review and I just sat there and I said, okay I need to step back for a moment And actually look at this game outside of the perspective of someone trying to speed run your way through to hit a deadline Like did I actually enjoy what I was playing or Did I Maybe not enjoy because of how I was doing it versus how I would normally play a game And I think that with a game like this, which is so massive Um, one, I think that they're having the game more than a week to pull the review Of anyways, I think they were probably given two weeks to take with this one. That's still hard. It's still hard I think most of the reviews are only going to beat the main story And that's that's about it. They're not going to do everything you can do in the game There's just no way two weeks is enough. I think all right. Let's just put this in the perspective Okay I feel like if you play breath of the wild right in other words, you do the side quests You don't have to do 100 but you kind of like I don't know if there's a right way to play breath of the wild What I mean is I mean going Covering a lot of what the game has to offer getting almost all the shrines getting all the members being able to give a good If you're talking about writing a good review Trying to give a good taste of everything the game has to offer. Yeah Yeah, um, that's at least a hundred hour experience Yeah, I would say yeah Especially that first time through if you want to roll ball and say 80 Then I I honestly if you if it took you 80 hours to beat breath of the wild the first time I think that you did rush Let's say like you didn't beat all 120 120 shrines for it, but you took out 90 you probably have a good Feel for shrines. You didn't do all 900 core oxides, but you did like 700 of them Right. I also let me let me speak on that right so it depends on the game. Um, but What I want to say though is let's say you're given two weeks And you play the game for three hours a day Which I would say for a normal adult three hours per day on a game is actually a lot Absolutely, and you do that for for 14 straight days. That's only 44 hours That's not even a half of a healthy expectation What I will say is I do know some of the outlets when they're given a review copy of the game That's the only thing they're doing until they're reviewed then So they're doing eight hour days. I mean if it's your if it's your full-time job You're gonna put more out now But see that's the conundrum for people like like me like even we have this 12 hour stream thing I'm doing that's cool. You know, it's not being done while I'm streaming videos videos And so if I don't make any revenue, I'm almost giving up revenue for a week Right. Yeah, that's right. That's it's very rough. It's like, I don't know how to balance that We're about to find out I'm about to make the biggest mistake in my life because I want to play a game guys. I'm sorry She's she's another wrinkle though, right? So even if it's your job to review a game And let's say you do play it six to eight hours a day. Is that how you would normally play a game? So when you're kind of force fitting yourself a game That's going to impact your perspective of the game that wouldn't be like a normal person's sure it impacts the review Yeah, like I even worry about like me doing these 12 hour streams What I actually play tears looking for 12 hours straight normally and honestly probably not But I will say this when I was younger before I had children Oh, yeah So the way I look at it as because I get to use the excuse that it's for work And so I'm being allowed to actually do it for 12 hours straight And we're gonna enjoy it and I'm gonna I gotta keep reminding myself Don't rush through it Because you know, you need to make videos Play it like you just would play it and people just happen to be watching. I mean me personally like I I'm taking vacation. So I have I have time, you know, I me I don't have kids. I have a girlfriend little kids She knows With nothing Yeah, I'll play it for 12 hours straight. You're that's Eric. How many how many like new releases all night 24 hours straight things We just know a lot. I'm a unique situation. You know what I mean? It's a unique situation I'm taking vacation. I don't have videos to make I don't have reviews to put out one of the theories to put out So me I'm playing it for 12 hours straight. But how many people have the opportunity to just Sit down no time constraints. I'm just gonna play the game because after I play the game for 150 hours 100 hours, whatever just at my own pace Yeah, I can make a good review But if you have someone who I gotta sit down I gotta play this game every single fucking day for as many hours as I can to get this review out It's gonna be way different than the review I would write As someone who had the time to days to sit down No minimal responsibilities to just enjoy It ruins like the pacing and stuff if you like rush through it because exploring the world is like the best part of it Um, going back to the review score though I I don't know how this game would score lower than Breath of the Wild though Which is a 97 you guys said so this is getting 98 I feel like 98 minimum. All right, so I'm not saying I'm not saying you're wrong Right. I actually I will climb through three hit 98, but I just want to point out Breath of the Wild is literally the highest rated game on Nintendo switch And Nintendo switch has more games than like any other Nintendo platform in history So that says a lot. I just okay without saying anything I see a lot of the complaints that Breath of the Wild had and Nintendo Fixed a lot of the complaint addressed in some way like we know few address the The weapon durability and it makes and I mean that's a fantastic point because like the previous did a great job of illustrating Hey, even if you didn't if this is not how you intended it to be done It's making combat and weapon cycling more fun But what if what if they what if they added an annoyance though because there's something I've been thinking about with the arrows Right. We fuse refuse stuff to arrows to get elemental things because I mean we don't have normal elemental arrows So every time I shoot an arrow if I want to shoot ice arrows I got a fuse every time instead of just rapidly shooting Like that could add a whole new annoyance to the combat though Like something but create a new problem. I can't imagine they'd take those out. I mean, I don't know It doesn't seem like oh Since they introduced arrow fusing that maybe there's no Elemental arrows we could just buy and use it just seems like an alternative to me If it's an alternative that's fine. I like in a pinch. Oh, I'm out of bomb arrows. I'm out of this Oh, let me attach some stuff But I I'm a little worried because we haven't seen it. I know I can find out guys But we haven't seen it Then I'm like, oh, did they actually just get rid of them and now this is just what we do And then 10 talk I I know what you're saying As someone who's also seen some things about fixing things um But knowing How video game reviews are yeah, yeah, yeah But knowing how video game reviews are and how our viewers are, you know People who have already played Breath of the Wild that are playing tears of the kingdom They've already played Breath of the Wild and their expectations might be Everything's a hundred percent better. Everything's this that the other thing Yeah, they might be expecting too much not to say that tears of the kingdom isn't going to improve vastly on some things where People felt Breath of the Wild felt short because I think it does but I know how critical we all know how critical Oh, yeah, especially now I feel like it's a lot harder to get a good score like there are good games that get like 60s 70s, so Right, exactly.  Like I feel like a lot of they're gonna happen. Yeah, there's plenty. It's it's gonna happen and You'll drop a seven out of 10 without having played the game And only seeing minimal spoilers from the leak me personally. I think it's going to be better than breath Well, what'll happen is they'll all say it's better than Breath of the Wild But the way people say yeah, but it's still like 900p and 30 up the frame drops, right? I can't give that a nine. That's gotta be You gotta go back to their Breath of the Wild reviews and see their scores If they're yeah, but what they'll say is that was a wii u game. Why isn't it better on switch? They're gonna say they're gonna use the tech and and the average person is gonna go back and see well What did they say about breath? It's gonna happen. Why are they saying this? I don't I don't think this game's getting any higher than 95 because I think it's gonna be too many people They're gonna lean into the tech side and say they didn't do enough I agree and I I agree with what you're saying Nate. I hate it by the way Because if you think it's better than Breath of the Wild, but then you can rate it lower that always makes me mad Is it going to deserve a better score than Breath of the Wild? Possibly. Is it going to have a better score than Breath of the Wild? In my opinion probably not then watch they do they do a patched version And they re-review it on the new system and they're like, oh, this is a hundred now It's beautiful. Right. Oh, luckily there's no one. I think no game play differences. They just hey, it's a higher resolution It's locked at 30 now I don't think there's anyone here that it's like on their edge of their seat to find out the score to buy this game I feel like it's an automatic Yeah, I think everyone at this point knows that they're gonna buy it and if you're Not sure because you didn't like the way Breath of the Wild did things Maybe you'll find out through the reviews that hey, maybe some of what you didn't like is actually not that way It's not about the score things your brain did and you should go play the game now. Yeah Well, it's like like like just looking at the trailers and everything I feel like they're approaching the story different this time around. So you didn't like the whole memory thing Then maybe yeah, and that's what turned you off was having to search for the story. Maybe this game's different You know, I still think there's memories Just not as much I think they may have found a way to work it in and make it Part of it. Like if there really is a time skip Between Breath of the Wild and tears that has to be calling so much older There there might be memories from like the time gap in between But they're optional and then they don't affect the story at all kind of like in Breath of the Wild Oh, like maybe we could find the memories of the years that time jump But then you can see the story is not the memory like if you go to Hyrule castle You can do a recall on a memory which I didn't notice us till doing Uh my breath of wild playthrough, but you recall memories It specifically says And that's the new ability. I don't know just could be a connection three I've had a theory for a while that recall is gonna place something. So something. What what if what if it's playable flashbacks? No, don't don't Because what I know Okay I don't know I'm just speculating finito mario movie. Um So the mario movie has crossed one billion Officially in the box office after its japanese debut this last we got it pretty much Shout out to mike odyssey who predicted It would be a bill. Yeah, he did he did And and the week it drops in the box office We did a podcast and he predicted and we were talking about How different outlets are reporting like oh a 225 million box office.  It's gonna be a billion. He was right I don't know if he used the f-bomb, but he definitely said I used the f-bomb. He did not But he didn't say record He said one bill. He didn't count. He did say bill freezing. Shout out to him He was right and deserves the props for that. Yep. So the uh The japanese it broke a bunch of records in japan for animated films, especially for Universal it's basically universal the best performing anime in the film in japan ever But it also performed very very well against some of the best animated films to ever release in japan So there's a couple things with this one a rumor now floating out there from a pretty reputable place That it this movie might be dropping may 9th on certain stream services No, we're not talking about it being a part of the subscription. It's one of those ones that you can buy 20 bucks 30 bucks much at home That so that seems to be something that might be happening on may 9th This is after the streaming and physical date were actually delayed Likely because of how well it was doing at the box office, but then there's still might drop the super expensive version You can watch it home. So I We'll see what happens with that Um, but what I really want to know is how high do you guys think this can climb? It's basically in the top 10 animated films of all time box office. Why how high is this thing going? 1.7 1.7 you think it's gotta get 1.7 so it's gotta pass lion king gotta pass lion king By the way, we're not talking about the good lion king They shouldn't even count as an But it's technically is animated. That's the problem But they're trying to mimic Reality and they do a pretty good job visually. That's not the problem with that movie Um Anyways, the numbers i'm seeing right now is 1.056 billion worldwide. Yeah Yeah, so like look it's gonna get 1.1. Maybe 1.2. But how high is it going? It's gonna get top 3 I mean if it's if it's still climbing I feel like they should just keep in the theaters as long as possible so they can just say hey Yeah Like like 1999 or 2099 or whatever they charge for it I think that's more so to get to try to dab the people that just refuse Just refuse by the way 9 million 9 million people watched it on twitter because the whole movie was accidentally put up on twitter for a brief moment 9 million for 9 million people saw it on twitter for free top three is not unreasonable Yeah, okay well five for reference. It's number eight right now And it's definitely gonna get number seven because Toy Story 3 is at 1.0 like 1 billion 66 million One more weekend. It'll be yeah. The question is it needs to make 1.3 to break the top three Because frozen is at 1.2 So if it can get up to 1.3, it'll break top three Which I think is realistic. I think it stays in theaters for another six weeks. It'll get there Yeah, absolutely Question is when are they gonna yank it from theaters? Well, they yank it once people stop going But people are still going I've talked to people that aren't necessarily huge Nintendo fans. I've talked to adults That don't play video games anymore Or such as my father who recently saw it, you know, there's there's a huge audience for this not just gamers And no question if it stays for like you said like you said another six weeks 100% will reach the top three. There's no way I mean just such a a huge IP and I don't care what the critics say the audience is giving it such a Arrave review has much a high audience scores. It's such a high audience score. It's just gonna keep going up and up and up and You know, you know, oh, you can you can watch it at home for 30 bucks You know, how many people are gonna know about that before they finally give out and go watch it in the theater You know what I mean Do we think it'll make it in theaters all the way to memorial day in the u.s Or will it be out by then? That's huge if it makes it to them because if it does that's another good like holiday boost I mean if the movie's making money, I don't see why that wouldn't that make more sense for it to stay longer in the theaters That's yeah, I think a lot of it depends on theaters for another month How many big hitters come out between now and then that could bump it Down where people stop going. I mean, yeah guardians of the galaxy. Yeah, we got that one We know that's going to be probably big But is there anything else like animated with a kid like family movie wise that's gonna Be like hey since the mario movie this weekend I'm gonna I'm gonna go see gardens of the galaxy and that'll that'll be the first movie I've seen since Mario and and probably the same for a lot of other people also a fun fact This is the first movie to hit a bill at the box office period across all movie types in 2023 I think it's the first one to do it since the pandemic actually It's mario Oh Yeah, so sorry Maverick top gun maverick. Did that not hit that was a bill last year. That was last year. Yeah Yeah, what that's my first statement was I should have stuck with that in 2023 was the first hit a bill, right, right And then the wasp came close but didn't quite get there. I looked at a chart of like upcoming movies for may Yes, there's guardians of the galaxy but from what the reviews are saying is it's not as much of a family friendly movie as the other It's a lot more adult First uh, mcu f bomb apparently. Oh, I'm so excited. I haven't seen They're just setting up the new deadpool movie because I don't remember if I solve all the second gardens of the galaxy But my point being the only movie on like an upcoming list that would take the family spot is the new While I can't put air crows, but it's the live action little mermaid, but that comes out memorial day weekend so between Now with gardens of the galaxy and then memorial day The only really animated film Yeah, there's no animated films if it makes it to memorial day weekend I mean, I think it's good that it might give it a shot competition totally and then in june, I think it's gone by june because in june you have Yeah, yeah, I don't do it makes spider-verse Try to push them at a month, but yeah, but if they make memorial day weekend I mean, I legit think then this could be the number one overall. Yeah, which would I mean just Are you kidding me right now? You told me three months ago mario could be the number one Gross scene animated film of all time of the box office. I would have your soul And this is just the beginning.  Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, because it looks like june is the what do you have an ip as big as mario I'm not surprised if you had told me that You know nine months ago that mario would be this high on the box office charts I wouldn't have doubted you you wouldn't hit a lot of bill I would have the bill. I always thought was a possibility But like being the best ever Like you're talking like oh, yeah, frozen's a pipe dream compared to mario. What? Frozen's a pipe dream compared to mario. You're up there competing with the best start at disney. Oh boy They just have so much momentum like they open the theme parks. They have yeah It's almost like it's the right time to drop a new mario game this year I wish You know, I gotta have a lot of time to play tears of the kingdom Oh, yeah, mario. Oh, yeah, we have for the holiday. It almost have to potentially launch something brand new Am I getting to that? Are you are we trying to transition? That's not like a segue to me. Yeah Yeah, we're gonna transition a bit. We're not we're not gonna talk crazy about a new system I do want to do a whole dedicated podcast to that with multiple Different things I'm waiting I'm waiting till we get past the zelda stuff for a bit get get closer into the summer To drop a show on that and then obviously when we actually get in and now it's been a something at some point That's a whole another thing. It's gonna have more trust me We've been teetering on going all out switch to conversation for like weeks. So it's gotta happen eventually here Let's get past zelda first. I gotta wait till we get like a big report Yeah, either a big report or it just happens to be a really really dry week And we're like, all right. Let's just let's just do a big speculative talk now and then we'll wait and see what happens Oh, you know, I I agree with that. I just mean like in terms like the buzz like people talking about it Oh, yeah, because no one's really talking about it right now, but that's also why so that's clear zelda You know, we'll pick been coming up as well. We've got to make sure we get pickments of love in the show, but Uh, maybe multiple shows. I don't know. Maybe maybe maybe pickman's about to blow up and be a 10 million plus seller And I'm underselling how popular it's gonna be I want to speak on that point briefly because it kind of it kind of chorus So we were just talking about with the mario movie Because I I feel as as a long time speculator on the optimistic side of things I've always been like, oh, well, maybe metro it'll do better. Well, maybe, you know, the switch won't do so bad Right. Are you in against you with metro at this all? Well, I mean, okay, metro it hasn't Won that argument yet in fairness, right? But but at least with nintendo as a whole though, right? Like you kind of think about What I mean, we kind of actually we touched on this last week as well, right? Like we think about what our expectations were for switch before it came out It's it's surpassed that like the optimists Didn't predict this right like and people like people were getting attacked for saying oh, I think switch might sell 50 million And now it might triple that, you know lifetime And you look at breath of the wild it's more it's it's more than triple the best the best selling prior to zelva Who would have thought that it would have gone to that level even the biggest zelva fans wouldn't have predicted that and now you look at the mario movie And it it's it's number eight and like where how high is it going to climb like is number one really That much of a stretch depending on how long it's out there Maybe not right so my point is is that you know, I think something I'm not saying obviously you can't win them all but You know, I think maybe we should be more open to Nintendo doing better, right? Especially with all this momentum as you guys have brought up earlier like so for example, Jesus the kingdom I've talked about it before I know some of you guys have talked about it too Like what if Jesus the kingdom does be breath of the wild sales lifetime? Is that really that crazy? And I mean with uh with the success of this mario movie How will this a mario movie to do? You know Yeah, I mean obviously you start by saying it's a bill So how much higher than that do we go? I mean that's clearly the starting ground for the next one If you wait you already have kids raving about the mario movie mario movie two comes out parents go You know how long it takes like frozen to I kind of feel like what I was doing like They might just next movie might just be mario two like I just got this There's a doki-doki panic movie that they're gonna reskin for mario So getting back to my transition um So games come this is the thing that's happening in august Uh The strange part and why we care about this is nintendo themselves publicly announced they're going to gamescom That's awesome. Uh, they usually don't have much of a presence at gamescom at all Uh, but they're gonna be there and this isn't one of those like packs east things where it's like, oh, they're giving a pin out This is a game demo event. This is e3 in germany out in cologne, so And this is nintendo wouldn't be there if they had nothing to show because as we saw Why did nintendo say they weren't going to be at e3 this year? We don't got enough to think to make it worthwhile and just think about in june. We don't have enough To really do like a presentation in a demo event A couple months later we do Why a couple months later do they suddenly have things they need an event with demos to show? It's not switched to thoughts Okay, but what if it is that's rude? Why would you say that? This is all part of their big master plan That nintendo live that nobody cared about that's in september in september is gonna have You know switch to Hands on and everybody's gonna want to go and it's gonna get revealed. I don't know I I initially thought there'd be some kind of direct I need to get my passport eric. Are we going to germany this august? Oh boy I better get mine. I think i'm in the minority here.  I'm on board I'm like, you know what that's that's the little like the last nail in the coffin. I need it is why Do you not have anything to show in june and then two months later you mysteriously have something to show I just how do you go from point a to point b? I feel like they got tears of the kingdom releasing now. They got pickman four then possibly mario game this holiday They're gonna milk the switch this year Next year we hear about switch to okay. Okay. So darin darin. Are you telling me if they drop a brand new big mario game This holiday and they drop switch to next holiday.   I'm sure some of you that like and and I see a lot people talk about metroid being a launch ever switched to which would be great It's just it's not a it would be a great launch title for a switch technical It would be a nice technical showcase. Yeah, I don't know that it moves units. I would have to be a mario, correct Yeah, it's got to be mario or zella. Those are the only two proving games that launch the tennis system as well Prime four will be a good launch. We sports now with sandian Prime four would be a good launch window game for switch to cross gen like that'll work Yeah, it could take like that slot like two months after launch Yeah, like it could be like the like a like a good like 1a 1b or you know, one two one two punch different audiences Yeah, but yeah mar if considering this all is coming out now. It's it's mario Like that that's just what historically like that. That's what it is either that or if i'm nintendo It's a smart business decision that your next 3d mario game If mario is their launch title for switch to and switch to gets revealed next year. There's no mario game this holiday So that would be how the pokemon apparently ain't shown so so i wouldn't be surprised if If we didn't get a mario this holiday, but we got a next holiday with a switch too I don't think it's gonna happen this year. It's okay. I think Nintendo saw how well the mario movie sold and said We could we could bump up that new console in that new mario game. We could bump it up. You already got in the manufacturing line No No, because I think they knew that the movie is going to do well regardless. I think I think they had a good feeling Yeah, so if they if they were going to take advantage of the mario movie popularity to push a game And maybe a system that was already planned I mean the idea of using a movie to push a system I mean they've never really done it It's also it's more so it's pushing the game Well, we think about it like like technically at the moment for nintendo Switch isn't the biggest thing they got going on It's the mario movie. Oh, okay. Well, it's the mario movie now that was zelda drops That's going to become the big because zelda is going to make billions for them So that's going to become the biggest thing but in the moment the mario will be technically the biggest thing they have going on um, and then it's going to be zelda and then How do you continue momentum later this year? The system could potentially be that thing because you've all this momentum to start the year and you end it strong with the new system I know darren you're on this train. Can I ask you to dare dare one thing? Why do you think it's not possible this year? Your question's interesting because you're asking me why it's not possible. Okay. No, why do you think it's not going to likely It's possible to happen tomorrow Why He's pulling an eight right now. He's going to see he's pulling a you I don't think an announcement is likely this year is because Of money profits purely Uh tears of the kingdom is coming out. It is going to be a big switch sheller. I think Going to be a lot of word of mouth going to be a lot of uh, it's getting a switch on christmas But if you hear there's a new nintendo system coming out that could hamper switch sales this holiday I think nintendo is going to be smart about this and isn't going to talk about a new system until next year You know if they have a new mario game lined up If they have other launch games lined up They're not going to talk about it this year and put a damper on their, you know, big end of your holiday sales for switch I just I don't see it. It wouldn't be a damper because they would actually get more sales from a new system New system to sell out. I don't think so. I'm I'm actually on team darin right now. I think I think we're going to get a Bad end of the year. Um, actually june will give us the biggest tell because I think they'll have If they do have an advantage, yeah, I think the end of the year could suck for switch owners I think it could and not a lot of people might get remasters that you get excited about. So so Here's my counter. Here's my counter. What does playstation do and they're about to launch a new system? Remember playstation sells a hundred mil every gen. They just keep releasing games They they drop massive games in that final year. Yeah That's what they do. They drop massive. What goes to schizo do that last of us part two Does nintendo do that?  You're right and they want to keep the sales going They don't want it to die. Yeah, I don't believe them. I I don't believe them You don't you don't think the new president's any different than the old No, I don't believe them I think the switch is going to go out like the interesting because the 3ds was still supported a couple years into the Literally cross platform play. We already know 19 Nerd was hurrying someone for cross platform play already in 2019 nintendo was still publishing 3ds games. Yeah It came out 2017. So I totally agree with not like massive ones. Yeah, but they still had a couple right I think switch could even in theory should last longer because it's even more successful Right. Well, I also think I also think that one thing we know factually is that nintendo research and development out in europe Um had a position open up for somebody to be hired for next generation hardware and switch to handle cross platform plays So a factual thing you guys can look it up. They're actually hiring someone for it Which means that there's this idea That the next platform is going to have cross gen play just like playstation 5 and xbox series does they're hiring Which means which might not die They might keep some games cross platform between switch and the next system for a year or two They're hiring for it right now. So you do you think that warns an announcement? No, no They have a new position right now. It doesn't mean they haven't been working on it this whole time Right. It's still I mean they created a new position Someone might have left and now they need to hire someone else. I don't know. I just if i'm nintendo I mean besides obviously making money I just don't see a rush to like go to that next step And I zack and I discussed this and zack was like they need something to Show and by the way, I'm not saying this as a content creator because it would be awesome content wise this year Yeah, it's like it'd be awesome next year too It's awesome any year. There's no hard work out. You gotta think it's coming out in 2025 or 2026 You got to know they can't go that long. Yeah, that'd be okay. That's not my opinion Yeah, you got tears of the kingdom right now, right? It's releasing in less than two weeks You got tears of the kingdom right now You got tears of the kingdom dlc potentially before the end of the year You got pickman 4 you got maybe a remaster some Now we're getting to maybe maybe maybe because we don't actually know we just know coming back Towards the holiday season. You're gonna capitalize on that. You're gonna ride that out and then next year They're capitalized on repackaging re-releasing tears of the kingdom this holiday in 4k Packaging re-release mario odyssey in 4k Packaging re-release garland violet and actually i was i was gonna say you want to sell a new system Put that new system mario kart 8 deluxe plus booster of course Bundle it all together with a switch. They can keep doing that mario kart By the way booster course pass is gonna end well before the end of the year It's what it looks like right now. We're close to wave 5 coming out I mean it's gonna come out this summer so that leaves one last wave They're not gonna wait half the year to release way six. You'd have a complete complete set. Yeah They went from me slightly behind to be in like way ahead on wavering Yeah, it's kind of like smash you'll see no riding out the year Through the holiday and then quarter one quarter two announcing a new console quarter three quarter four Releasing a new console. Maybe Maybe You know what? I mean, I I really just see them There's nothing wrong here and you're totally fine Obviously, I'm on team 2023 Because I do think it's weird. We know nothing after pikmin right now. Well, I think there's at least We we know we know that we know a game demo presentation event Before we know what actually could be there because everything's gonna be out. Hey, hey, can I make this point real quick? Oh Okay, all right. All right. I'll just sit here and look kind of dirty. No, it's all right. What do you have? Yeah, um, no, I just wanted to say that you know regard I first off Um, Nintendo hasn't been at gamescom since 2019 and when they were there they had to switch lights on display So, um, I do think there is some reason to think that there could be some type of hardware Even if it's on a switch to a revision is still plausible Um, like if you fall into the switch like a pattern of switch release, it's switch 2017 light 2019 ola 2021 It's 2023. Like we might still get a revision. They might showcase that at gamescom but regardless they still showcased a lot of new games at gamescom and Aside from pikmin 4 We don't got much booster course passes is for mario kart is is is winding down Pokemon has waved one of its DLC coming up to the holiday. We don't really have that much I mean future redeem got rushed out primary master got rushed out Um, so I at least think primary masters rushed out I mean in the sense that they shoved it into the same week as another They couldn't keep it. Yeah The same way they shoved out future redeemed days after advance. I'm so confused why they did that that makes no I will say after the master primary master and then when they did it again with future redeemed I I sat there and I said is nintendo just emptying the cannon right now It feels like that but at the very least I feel like it's safe to say We're looking at a direct in june or early july Because there has there there has to be games to showcase at gamescom because would they really go to the directs In august before gamescom would they go to gamescom if all they had was a bunch of remasters though Like if they were like, oh, here's twilight princess and f zero and another metroid prime game Like is that worth going to there would be one there would have to be at least one I mean you say bigger. Okay. If it's not mario There's gotta be something for the holiday that they would have to show off You know, it could be as simple as another luigi's matching game and those did really really well So, I mean that would be a pretty decent holiday game. I don't think we should be sleeping on the zero game. Yeah f zero I mentioned there's Rumor for a while to what if that's like hey dk is going to be our holiday game also prime four Supposedly done already. Um could be a holiday game. Yeah, that could be it could be like I mean, I think if they paired like a dk in november with a prime four in october I mean, I mean for a lot of people. That's a great holiday. Uh for nintendo I don't know that that's like as much as like i want a mario or a pokemon would do for him, but There's gonna be a cap and quarter four and You know, I will say this if a successor to the switch was officially announced this year I wouldn't be totally surprised Like I've obviously said previously. I don't think it's gonna happen I wouldn't be surprised, but I think that there's more left in the canon that they can fire Where there's going to be somewhat of a finish to this year where if no new hardware is announced We're gonna be fine We're gonna be fine.  You mean everybody's want to switch Oh god Is that been de-confirmed yet? Or is that no it's a it's a real thing. I know it's a real thing Like my own source. It's I would actually like something casual for they're sitting on that game because F zero that's casual. People don't people don't like that is not casual Now we call that a casual as long as they bring back the death wheel i'm fine Look, we need another mario dance dance revolution game. Let's let's bring it back It's okay, but what about links crossbow training, but this time it's based on tears of the kingdom instead of twilight princess Here's the kingdom crossbow training. There we go.  I love that game on the 3ds It's a perfect shoo in for the switch because it's basically just nintendo sims, but with me's I don't know why somebody else to make mario and luigi again. I'm please It's too late for my street pass dreams on switch. That's that's I mean look if you talk to a daren daren Here's a throwback. Remember zeon Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. We're sitting in tendo life. He's keeping street pass alive. He brings his 3ds everywhere And talk to him on social media non-stop. No, I have seen it. I saw it on twitter I saw it. Yeah, he was he was disappointed at packs that I didn't have a 3ds with me Yes, and I might do that sold that thing to get a switch. I haven't played 3ds in forever I Recipes 3ds recipes street pass sad. It's not on switch switch to let's do it Yeah, switch to you could totally bring back street pass and me verse and totally do it It'd be great. They'll never they'll never do me first again. They'll never do that again. All right. Tell me who wouldn't buy this me So, you know the minigames of pokemon stadium. Definitely me.  It's on nso right now But like if you go play stadium coliseum the minigames in those games are like people always say Oh, I don't I don't play things for many. I'm telling you they're that good There they are the some of the best minigames like That they're the kind of thing that makes you wonder why mario party games can't seem to come up with as good a minigames Is what a pokemon stadium three with like the new pokemon would hit I think that would do well that would slap yeah stadium three And see what's interesting about that right like, um, I assumed like just a party game because Technically we have the big 3d battles already. Yeah, we do. Yeah, but what's interesting about that though Sorin shield went like the bomb bass that coliseum 3d battles But for scarlet and violet because they went open world battles were scaled down quite a bit Open the door for a stadium style game There it is There it is. That'd be great. I love that maybe Stadium coliseum are great. I don't know what they call this one, but it And and it wouldn't be so it wouldn't be a mainline pokemon game But it could still kind of satisfy that without taking away from the dlc Yeah, we got a link back to this episode when it gets revealed There is a possibility. We're forgetting the ultimate possibility. It's an already announced game Detective Pikachu 2 Yep, already announced and we've heard nothing since they announced it saving it but they never canceled it That would be such a lackluster announcement though, like I don't I also think I wonder if they're waiting for like the movie to get like a full announcement confirmation Because now apparently that's getting back in the works now that we want to pair it with the movie maybe It could be done. Yeah, I don't think they might be sitting on it waiting for the movie To get announced and then they'll kind of piggyback off each other probably because I bet you they think the game will sell better if they could tie it to the movie At least to the movie release. I don't think the stories are going to be the same, but Do we think that in mario party dlc or are we way past that? Yeah, I think we're past that Probably past that They mean I don't want I don't want to say that because it's a really good game He's such a good game Well, like the prior one sold really really like way better than superstars did but superstars is the better game Yeah, so I don't it's super stuff's been out for less time So Yes, but it even had a even sold less at launch. It sold less six months later than the prior game did in six months It is so good And and the thing is they added online They patched it into the other one almost as a test and now I think a lot of people that has it Oh, you added online now. I don't need the new one and I can get the old one for cheaper But I can't the online they added was horse crap. I'm just throwing that out there It was not good. Yeah, the superstars online is great They definitely gimp the online when they patch it into the other one, but still Um, yeah, I think we missed the boat on superstars dlc It's kind of like it's kind of like saying oh, are they gonna start giving us good updates at animal crossing right now? They're done with animal crossing And I'll give them credit too soon the dlc was good The dlc was good It was great It was even a little bit better than I thought it would be even though it was kind of built on a prior concept It was still really damn good But it was kind of like but then that was it We waited all this time We got the dlc and then we're just done with you Like as the as an animal crossing fan, I mean New leaf new leaf is to to be fair on this new leaf is what set the expectation so high New leaf is the better game New leaf is the better game 100% new leaf is so much better Add terraforming to new leaf and It might be the perfect animal crossing. Are you about to say gamecube? No, don't let up. No detective Pikachu sequel takes a big step forward. Yeah today They found their director. Oh, they picked the director for today. Cool. So yeah, I knew I knew like it I knew they were almost still going going. Yeah, I'm canceled, but then they I mdb has expected Release of july 26 2024. So it's still looking like it's possible. So I mean if they're just part of their director now, they have to film it. Oh, right, right, right? Here's the thing though. I be I think I think it's the I think the script's already been written this all time so like You know and a lot of it's animated, but I I have no idea Here's what I know It got canceled at one point and then it was announced like late last year that it was going to be They picked it back up which they should because the first one was good. They should do a sequel um So we'll we'll see sorry to pull it back to that but I just have yeah, we'll see Yeah, no, it's fine. Hey dude more ryan reynolds talking his Pikachu. I'll take it Even though the first one ended it's like, oh, how can that happen again? That's for the story writers to worry about me Yeah, I would like it if they were to kind of bring the branding a little bit back to nintendo though Um, just to kind of give them more Flexibility with what they can do with it down the road. I know, but I so like the way detective Pikachu was handled in the movie That was so good. I mean, I I'm literally This might be blasphemous. I liked it more than the mario movie. I'm literally that's all I'm saying though Whoa, maybe might be blasphemous, but I like Well, I mean the detective Pikachu is a fun movie. So it's fun and I love the story And mario is just like I'm watching a mario game on screen. This is cool Well, the detective Pikachu is a love letter to pokemon fans too So dude realizing this pokemon. Yeah, it's honestly. I think it's extremely impressive That what they did with it. It's so good to make it look like they could fit in a real world The movie's under appreciated probably because it's partially live action But that's what I love about it, man. I know I know but think about I know I know it animated always does better And stuff typically with video game things, but I can't help a man. That's exact. I love the live action Keep it going man. This is what I it's like what I want them to do is zelda, but we're not going to get that with zelda It's gonna be animated the way mario is going there. Just do an animated move forward or anything I okay I know we have hopes for some certain ips to maybe try a live action series or a movie but On the release of detective pikachu being perspectively july of next year As someone who went to film school and knows the whole process a 14 month turnaround is not impossible It just might be the best I I think that was probably based on prior Because that's imvd. It's just it's probably just like it could still definitely come out in 2020 It was probably based on a roadmap that they have when they announced last year that they were going to start working on it again They're like, oh last year,