Good morning. My name is John Butler and I'm representing the Minnesota Digital Library. I'm joined by my colleagues Carla Urban and Greta Bonaman in the audience and I'm sure several people on the stream back home. So we're very pleased to Participate here. Actually, we are thrilled. We are very grateful to our funders and we're filled with a sense of challenge too in order to Fulfill the promises of being one of the initial service hubs of the DPLA effort. It's it's a wonderful opportunity The Minnesota Digital Library, which I'll just note as MDL from this point forward is a program in state of Minnesota by Minotex Which is our 40 year old state and regional resource sharing network based at the University of Minnesota So we're building on a strong organizational foundation there We are in recent years just supported just gaining support from the state of Minnesota's 25 year old or 25 year promise of A clean water land and legacy amendment funding which the citizens of Minnesota in their infinite Wisdom at the abyss of the recession in 2008 voted a sales tax increase to fund cultural heritage for the long term So that's quite extraordinary We're also supported by a lot of in-kind efforts by the University of Minnesota Minnesota Historical Society St. Cloud State University and so forth and some additional funding from these parent institutions so We are known by a through a couple of interfaces, I would say both web interfaces and service interfaces We do have our aggregation of content and search engine here, which pulls together many many collections called Minnesota Reflections We have chosen to invest in the creation of lots of Educational assets to integrate the work and the materials in the Minnesota Digital Library into educational programming in the state With close binds to K-12 Educational standards, so here's an example of one such learning module A foot in two worlds talking about Indian boarding schools in the early part of the century And we also have sort of an internal professional interface to the library and museum community as well as K-12 teachers that promulgates best practices and standards in digitization metadata creation And also a teacher training with respect to use of the tools that we provide So here's a little bit of the tale of the tape on MDL we're about 150 institutions strong by means of contributions and and you can see we cover all types there This is the figure that I like to talk about when describing MDL you can also see the other figure down there about our Sort of our asset size and we're relatively small but the real Story, I think of our existence over the past eight to ten years has been the Contributor and content recruitment done by a very strong outreach effort throughout the state of Minnesota We have a staff member Marion Rangel who has a full-time job of traveling the state building relationships with Small medium-size and even large content providers and bringing them into the fold Empowering those institutions to do things they probably have never even imagined or certainly did not have the wherewithal to consider doing So this is a very strong part of our story and again We have an expanding range of information types and topical areas covered in Minnesota reflections just to give you a Little bit of a glimpse of the coverage. We have these are our county areas State regional historical societies which we have very strong participation and Our library museums and other organizations So we run the range here from the the Blue Earth County Historical Society to the Hazelden Foundation Minnesota Department of Transportation Minnesota Department of Health the North Star Museum of Boy Scouting and Girl Scouting the Minnesota Streetcar Museum and so forth so just even by the the litany of Participants you can kind of get the feeling for the range of Cultural depiction that we represent our program areas are Digitization and we do this as a Grottis service to the contributors here in exchange for their participation in metadata creation We provide the online access and we've done a lot of experiments with that in terms of Brokering out our metadata to other search engines experimenting with new tools to broaden that access Mentioned before this very strong K-12 and learning support integration that we value considerably in the state and we're Beginning to think about expanding our infrastructure and this won't primarily be a part of the DPLA effort Towards a statewide digital preservation effort a lot of assets have been created millions of dollars of digital content has been creative and There hasn't really been the wherewithal Among these institutions to pull together the infrastructure and in the expertise needed to Provide good stewardship for it over time and we think this is an ideal thing to move forward in a concentrated Centralized fashion, so we're beginning to to plan our steps there And as I mentioned before we're very active in professional development in education So I wanted to give you a little bit of a sampler like Mary did as well This will be a bit rapid fire but just to give you a taste of Some of the materials that we presently have in our Database and repository which will be making its way into the the larger stew of DPLA and this Presentation part here will kind of give you a sense of not only the topical range, but also the format Format diversity that we covered so we go way back for Minnesota, which is really mid-19th century and forward to depictions of small-time life where this Stereograph of the first locomotive to arrive in this town in central, Minnesota 1880 Another small town depiction here The coloration there is because this is a magic lantern slide the precursors to Kodak transparency slides and this was quite something when when these hit the market Barnum and Bailey 4th of july parade in 1911 small town, Minnesota. I Think was mentioned before as one of our themes moving forward with exhibits would be the CCC we have Lots of these panoramic depictions because there was that many in the workforce and Of course with the tools to allow that zooming and panning so people have identified their relatives over time We have a marvelous collection of cyanotypes documenting the topography the geography the small town River life of the upper Mississippi River Valley In the late 19th century and this is a critical record I think Depicting the the region as well as also as you can see here It's been Produced by the US Army Corps of Engineers as a way to do planning for the river construction the locks and dams and so forth It's just a marvelous marvelous collection And turning to the arts a wonderfully rich collection of theater programs again going back to the early part of the 20th century and Part of our history in Minnesota is our not quite annual creation of ice palaces, but We do we do this they're getting more expensive, but this is the first ice palace in the US Circa 1886 and yeah, so how do you make an ice palace? so we actually go out in the lake and you you have harvesting machines and you cut cubes of ice and you transport them to a flat land and And then when lights come along you can illuminate them and they're really quite marvelous I think we're going to have one again this year. So I hear We've reached out to the religious community and monastic community in Minnesota as well And lots of wonderful artwork that has not seen the has not been shared publicly Certainly not in the way that the web allows us to and again this The viewing tools allow us to really take a look get into the the fibers of this watercolor if you will Now we do have some very special collections here including the a Rare Collection of letters and one poem from the famed American Midwest novelist Sinclair Lewis Where he discusses his career he is writing his social life and these letters are directed to an intimate friend And so it's it's quite special We have begun to expand our collection of Minnesota newspapers Ranging from a very wide timespan and This is an example of one that documents the very strong labor history particular in the 1930s in Minnesota You'll see some others coming up we've worked with a number of State and city offices as well to capture their records Including public health departments Various city departments that were concerned about the urban health So it paints a picture of poverty in Minnesota at various pictures that points in time So these are very moving with their photographic evidence as well as the actual public health data that Is presented in the documents themselves. So this is an embedded image from a report And finally I want to talk about the area in which we'll be moving into for our online exhibit and that is the Looking at native cultures so Here we have One of many many items in our collections that is published in the Dakota language This one is is a marvelous little pamphlet on the carrying of horses It was translated by a Dakota poet and faculty member at the University, Minnesota This pamphlet was created to teach students and I'm going to talk about Who these students are in a minute at the Santy school about the care of horses This school Was instruct instructed Dakota children in the Dakota language So that the hard part of this story is that in the school serve children who came from families who removed to Minnesota from Nebraska after the US Dakota Conflict in 1862 1863 150 years ago In the aftermath of this war the school is founded It was so in 1870 as an academy. Excuse me to train native teachers the school developed a printing press in 1871 and produced many many marvelous materials in the Dakota language and so some of this has been translated It's providing us with an opportunity to collaborate with the with the tribal cultures To do further translation. So this is part of where these collections can take you in terms of Relationship building with the various cultural communities in an area and as Part of that expansion of our newspapers here. We have Two native culture papers one going way back 1871 and one here from the 1990s. So again, this is Important part of the cultural record, but also an important bridge to build with the community In communities in Minnesota, I wanted to mention an additional major project that Sort of a sister project that's done at the University of Minnesota that was funded also by this cultural heritage legacy fund that Has resulted in the development of a a major Ojibwe talking language filled with media objects and audio files of dialect of words moving from both Ojibwe to English and English to Ojibwe You can check that out on the web. It's quite a stunning and useful resource with great prospects for Helping to preserve the Ojibwe language So To me MDL and DPLA is about amplifying the effect in all directions. It will allow us To do more of what we've done. It allows to do some of the things that we've struggled to do It will allow us to not only bring more content on board But use that as a springboard to sharing it more broadly with the world and commingling these resources with The collections of the other service hubs the content hubs and who knows that the the vast expanse of contributors in DPLA's future It is sort of for us the proverbial Tip of the iceberg here, so that's us on the top and and the DPLA potentials on the bottom Although I was thinking maybe icebergs are not a great metaphor in the age of Climate change, but let's go with it Specifically, this is what we intend to do at this point in our early planning with the our DPLA generous funding And and that is to do some of the things that you heard about earlier from both Emily and Mary as well as our colleagues in Utah Minnesota Digital Library is is a fairly small fragment of the digital content known to exist in State of Minnesota and in the region We want to build an aggregation To serve to feed into Of those other collections many of them are major major collections that don't need to play in the MDL space But are willing to share their metadata We would like to harvest that metadata Aggregate it locally as a hub and feed it into DPLA as a much more comprehensive representation of Minnesota culture and its Rich digital her legacy major digitization We are beginning to develop some ideas around Forging new relationships with major other major museums in Minnesota that we have not dealt with before and some of the the recruitment for that participation is underway That's could be a very exciting Potential for us Now here's a new one for us Taking a page out of Mary's work here the community sourced digital documentation We have a number of very interesting communities Immigrant communities in particular in Minnesota. We have one of the largest Somali populations in Minnesota We have had one of the largest among populations in the Twin Cities We haven't done so much work in terms of Documenting that culture we would like to engage the community in documenting their culture with Contributions to the MDL and to the DPLA that is our idea moving forward here and to use the the generous funding to do So we talked a little bit about the online exhibits Our focus will be on the native cultures and I've hopefully have given you a little taste of what is to come there but also to draw upon the content of the other service hubs in creating this exhibit and Like the others we're very excited about the prospects of engaging the community directly with A number of events that showcases not only the work of DPLA the work of MDL But the work that they can bring to bear in terms of contributing assets Doing some of the crowdsourcing work that Mary talked about we have those in mind as well So thank you very very much. Thank you to our funders. It's just We're extremely excited and Very very grateful We have any questions from the audience One or two. I was just curious Because you spoke about between doing it yourself versus outsourcing so Could you speak a little to the cost and the work that you had to do to do it in house versus What it would have cost you to outsource it. I know speed was a factor as well It really depends on the kind of content what we have found is that when we cost it out Paginated materials we could do it just as fast ourselves and cheaper. So we continue to do that in house there's also the Kind of tension between shipping archival materials somewhere out of Kentucky and There is a some pushback to that. We don't want to do that But say with our newspaper Digitization we can send some of those files to a vendor and get them back cheaper than we can do all these processes ourselves We can we have the ability to do it, but it's just cheaper for us to and we we tested that model we Could actually measured the time it took each step and How much we were paying people how you know and It really is cheaper to do part of that but then retain that the metadata the content Pieces of it ourselves so that we have a really good product or we want our quality to be super high and That mix works for us You know, it really depends on your situation if you have the staff if you have the ability to train up people to do this You know, you're better off. I think in many ways to outsource it This is a question for Emily. I'm thinking about The business structure or business model that you're thinking about in your relationship with the hubs The service hubs and the content hubs may be too early to talk about but are there some concepts evolving? so Yeah, it's I mean, it's a little early for the content hubs But the idea is that obviously the content hubs have a great deal of content these large repositories and these other Folks are really reaching out to many of these smaller depositories. So really pulling that together You know is certainly the goal having these big pockets of content be able to to work together with the smaller Pockets of content and obviously we see this as Simply a pilot as this is the starting point because we know that these big repositories and these small repositories Have to work together. So this is our really our business model test case if you will with these, you know With both of these size And varieties of content Obviously you saw how many varieties of content formats we have already so I really see this as our kind of our business model Test case to see how this works And then, you know really being able to able to scale up and learning We've talked already just among the service hubs about all that we can learn from each other just the differences and the similarities that we have and Things like white papers that we can produce as part of this process So that you know, we can further this model and move things forward So we spent yesterday talking a lot about how other people Can join there's so many people already reaching out and who have that enthusiasm to be a part of the DP LA and Who aren't necessarily part of either the initial service or content hubs? And we want to think about this model as well as other models for joining The aggregators other kinds of aggregators or or what have you so I think this is this is our starting point And one one business case, but I think there'll be obviously others to come Thank you so much Emily and Mary and John You've given us a taste of what the it of the DP LA will be and I think you can get a sense of the excitement of what We can put together if we work together at a national level in exactly this way and Martin I think your question about business models is a good one I would say that's also still in the wet clay department So if you are a potential service hub or a potential content hub I think you should let Emily or any of us on the team know that you are interested in that And if you are a funder watching either Virtually or here in the room and you would like to support something I think you can see the model that we're pursuing for the DP LA which is of course We need some funding to have a very very lean organization as we have but we really are seeking to push funding out into small and roll libraries to local historical societies to state-level organizations and hopefully in partnership what we can do is just leverage up all of These efforts on behalf of the country and as chairman Leach said in the service of a foreign affairs as well So I think it's a very exciting moment here for the DP LA before we take our break, which will be between now and 12 I wanted to do one final. Thank you for this round, which is you've you've seen the Wonderful work of Emily and John Marion their teams Which I think literally is the tip of the iceberg for many of the service hubs But also what they have come up with is the direct result of the content and scope work stream and many others Collaborating with them and Rachel Frick where are you Rachel? Rachel has been the leader of this in many many ways particularly as the Co-chair and really the the primary chair of the content scope work work stream So I want to end this session with a really big Thank you to Rachel in particular and to all who have helped to frame out exactly the strategy That we're seeing play out today and we'll see you back here at 12 So please join me in thanking the great team


So in this module, we'll talk about the server side programming and we'll also talk about the security aspects because as I have mentioned in the prior modules that TCP IP was not built for exchanging confidential data to perform e-commerce. So security aspects are there and they need to be covered. The security aspects are covered through firewalls through proxy servers through digital certificates through secured HTTP and then of course there are other issues also which is the authentication which is authorization and the list goes on. So these are the security aspects that will be covered in this module. Also what I will cover in this module which is the introduction to the main thing. So this is the introduction of the main aspect and the intro of the intro over here is that I will also cover what is the programming done for the with reference to the APIs with reference to the CGI and with reference to the other programming aspects and the modules and the techniques and the technologies which are with reference to the server side. And I will also give you very very briefly the advantages, the disadvantages and the issues which are associated with it. So let's start with the details. So I have this CGI common gateway interface and the programming is done using C, using C sharp also and traditionally it was done in Perl. The advantages it is independent of the platform, independent of the language being used. So it is very flexible, it is independent of the server being used. So the advantage is that the possibilities are limitless. And then we have this extended CGI also which also supports independence which has certain features also. And then we have those server APIs which are the extensions like we have the extensions in the browser and then the vendors make their own APIs also. The advantage of these APIs and these extensions are they give good performance. But the downside is that they have a certain level of complexity associated with them. Hence we have the CGI versus APIs and the proprietary HTTP servers. Now these give performance but they have the issues which are the architectural issues which are the dependence issues. So one has to look at a trade off, do a trade off that which is important or how important one thing is the performance or the maintenance or going along with it on a long term basis. So that we will go into more details. Then we have these native APIs, application programming interfaces. And these are with reference to a certain ecosystem, a certain vendor, a certain company. And then we have ODBC, Open Database Connectivity. For ODBC which was which was spearheaded by Microsoft, it allows installing certain components at the client end which makes the connectivity with the databases such as SQL server even with Oracle also that is there over there. And these are the benefits and the shortcomings which I mentioned earlier. The main benefits are the performance and the shortcomings could be the proprietary nature of the architecture. Then we have the template driven packages and we have the shortcomings. So I will cover the details when we come to those main topics. And then we have GUI applications, graphical user interfaces. Now the people which are used to point and click type of environment, visual environment, they find these GUI based applications for development for the server side programming very attractive. And of course they are attractive and they are easy to use also and the learning curve is not very steep. But the downside is that these tools, they generate the code and the performance of that code is not same or it's not better than the code which is written by experienced programmers. The bottom line over here is that the code written by experienced programmers it performs better as compared to the code generated by point and click visual interface tools. Then of course we have these issues of with reference to database applications running over the internet about the privacy. Privacy means that whatever I am sending over the internet that is only between me, the sender and the receiver. Then is the integrity. Integrity means that the whatever is sent we have covered privacy then is the integrity. Integrity means that whatever I have sent that does not changes while it's in transition. It does not changes while it is being communicated that is integrity. Then is the authenticity. Authenticity means that if someone is sending me something then I am sure that this person is the person who has sent that data that information to me. And then is the non fabrication. Non fabrication means that the it is not fabricated. I cannot fabricate myself. And the other aspect as per different authors is that the sender cannot fabricate himself or herself that is the non fabrication non-repudiation. Non-repudiation means that if I send something over the internet I send email then I cannot say or the sender cannot say that the sender did not send it. So if the data comes from a web server as per my request then the web server or the associated software there is a trail and that trail associates the sender which the material which has been sent and no illegal request by the client can be made to the main server. For example the client is not or should not be allowed to inject code in a text box and that code runs on the server. And of course that no malicious code can be sent from the other end. So it kind of ensures the security the journals these are the general security issues for web based applications. Now see that a web based application is a collection and a combination of many many modules and of course then there are proxies then there are firewalls authentication certificates and the list goes on we'll cover all of this in the subsequent modules.


Review. For more information, visit understandinginsurance.ie. Brought to you by Insurance Ireland. Around the Northwest, live from Lifford Old Courthouse. Enjoy a great afternoon tea tomorrow Saturday with sandwiches and delicious treats in the comfort of the Grand Courtroom. 15 Euro per person. To book, call 9-1-4-1-733. This is Around the Northwest, keeping your company this Friday afternoon ahead of the bank holiday weekend. We're live from Lifford Old Courthouse. And by the way, on the road mentioned earlier about the traffic buildup from Sturnaurla back out the whole way to Kilrose and someone's text didn't say it's just heavy traffic. Well, that's it. That's the start of a bank holiday weekend. It's a Friday evening and that's just the way of it. So just allow you a bit of extra time if you're using that stretch. Now there is a concert coming up here at the end of the month or towards the end of the month. Saturday the 25th of June and amongst the performers will be Amy Meehan. And Amy joins us now. Amy, good afternoon. Good afternoon. How are you getting on? I'm doing okay. How are you? Good. Good. You're busy, busy because I mentioned you there just a second ago. You're playing tomorrow night as well at a special charity event in the Clannery Hotel. And then you were telling me all fair that that'll be the third performance tomorrow. Yeah. Tomorrow's a busy day. Particularly busy. In the morning I'm in Manor Hamilton and then after that I'm going to the Sleeve Russell Hotel in County Cabin. And then when I'm finished there I'm heading straight to the Clannery. So I'll be arriving just before I'm meant to be on and hopefully they keep me late so I don't miss it. Right. Yeah. Well that's a full on day for sure. It is. So what's occupying your time apart from all those sort of performances? Not every day I'm sure it's as busy as that. But what's occupying your time at the moment? Rehearsing, performing. Studying. Studying for? I'm doing music in college. So I'm just finished my second year and going into third year now in Ulster in McGee. Okay. How's that going? It's going good. I did a performance there a couple of weeks ago for my final exam. And it went okay. I haven't got my results yet but I think I passed. I hope I passed. Well as a performer I mean you you know from the outside looking in it would appear to me that you have a huge head start on others but I suppose it doesn't always work like that. There's a lot of other stuff in theory. When you're sitting down in front of somebody who's looking at your every move judging what you're doing rather than listening and enjoying it. It's a different situation completely. I was a wee bit nervous. It's my first time being in that situation since probably 2015, 2016 when I was doing grades and singing. So it's been a long time. And you're also recovering along the way because you had a problem.  Yeah, that happened recently. So we were practicing to do when I get home for a few events that's coming up but I'm not going to get into the details but it's still ongoing at the moment but I'm okay as of now anyway so hopefully things don't change in the future. Okay, okay. Well the best luck with it. Thank you. And excuse the point I hope it all works out anyhow. You're going to, you're going to perform for us? I am. You're going to do a song for us? I'm going to do a song that I haven't done before. And it's one that not many people will know but it's by my favourite band called the Paper Kites and they're an Australian band. And the song is called For All You Give. Okay, great. I'll take you everywhere and view by my side Take a walk around, drive across, stay close Like the sun sends a golden stream Into our front room I will be the same Like the morning is always near To you passing by your door That was fantastic Amy, I think you'll all agree. That was great and you've introduced a lot of people to that song now. The original by the Paper Kites, that's For All You Give. That's the song. Okay. And you can catch up with Amy live here at the Oldliford Courthouse on Saturday the 25th of June part of the lineup of live music that night. Jim Farmer Hart, Amy, there's Lynn Campbell, Mickey Duffy and Paul Hannigan. And just contact them here. Or go to liffordcourthouse.com for more information. Amy, thank you very much for coming in. Thanks for having me.


Sizweig bombed down on the field with the victorious Mustangs head coach Ed Hoddle a 54 to 15 win over FDU Florm the 21st ranked Mustangs now the only 3-0 team in the Mac Coach the final score obviously very one-sided, but it was a 21 to 15 game You guys are punting late in the first half Where do you think the game tilted in your favor and how did it get away from them or how did you take it away from them? Well, they did some things in the running game that we hadn't seen before You know, we were able to get in a half-time and get it adjusted You know to put our guys in the right spots and they you know the guys did a great job making the adjustments on field So, you know, we were able to get some stops early in the third quarter and an offense started to fire on all cylinders So, you know half-time, you know to answer your question Your defense obviously loves to intercept passes leading the nation in that last week against Levin and Valley They didn't get very many opportunities You know that the Devils are a team that likes to throw the football How excited was the secondary to get things going picking off passes? That's what those guys live for, you know You know just the excitement the passion they play with is Contagious for the whole group and really the whole team and you know to watch them have some early success was was fun to watch for sure On offense great passing day for Dan Williams six touchdown passes a school record there two receivers With over a hundred yards and three touchdowns What can you say about Devon and Presto and and the Preston and the matchup problems they create? You know they put the work in Monday through Friday, you know and you know as long as they continue to do that We'll hopefully continue to have success, you know Dan again gets sharper and sharper You know and these guys working together on a daily basis. It's gonna be fun to watch over the next six games One thing statistically offensively you guys didn't do as well was running the ball in terms of yards for Kerry Is that something that you guys would like to have seen do a little bit better, especially in the second half? Yeah, you know, we're gonna get into the film and look at what was going on You know again, you know they did some things schematically that you know affected our ability to run the football But that's no excuse, you know, we expected it. We game plan for it. We prepared for it. We drove it in practice It's just one of those things that that causes your problems And we've got to really look at it because I'm sure we'll see it again You guys traveled to Misericordia next week, and then I know it's hard to look ahead But you got two of the teams at the top of the conference coming up at the end of October in Weidner and Delaware Valley back here at home. Yeah, you know, it's one week at a time We've got to focus on next Saturday and and what we have to clean up from this game and then move forward from there All right coach. Congratulations, and we'll see you October 22nd. Great. Thank you


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What was the most she spent on a pair of shoes? Probably like 2200 black-toed unions, if I have to shout out. Geez. I know, I still got them, don't worry. Okay, okay, I like it, I like it. What was the most she spent on a pair of shoes? Probably around 480. What shoes was it? Georgetown. Georgetown ones? Yep, Georgetown ones. Ooh, okay. What is the most she spent on a pair of shoes? About 500 on the, these guys right here, UNC3. Okay, okay, big step up. Yeah, you know. What's the most she spent on a pair of shoes? Sneakers? Yep. Like 150. 150? 150, that's it, man. I'm trying to give my paper up, you know what I'm saying?


d to be pick and if such a word exists but you know what it reminded me of um i don't think it's christine is is one of the organizers of it in our region around here we are blessed with people uh who do stuff they decide right what can we do to raise money for young people or for older people or for anyone you know when they give up their time when they take it on on top of jobs and what have you and they organize it all and i think often maybe when they start uh when it all starts they wonder why did they do this but in every part of our beautiful region there are these people that do this stuff for the community and not for thanks to do it for the community and i think it is amazing and it's really who we are uh and everywhere and then uh we were able to once we that was able uh finished we were able to go to the silver tassie for a wee bit to support the uh truckers for creaslove and again got to chat to colin briefly there the man behind it you know uh doing amazing things and everyone that turned up raising so much money and and and showing so much solidarity to those affected by creaslove and that was just two events and i'm sure there were dozens more happening across the region but that was just one saturday night just ordinary people uh going out of the way to help others and i think that's really you know that's where our strengths are and that's the positives that's out there and we need to focus more on that kind of stuff as well so i was delighted to be involved in that random but you know what it was great uh let us take a break shall we because our next guest is going to be joining us in just a couple of minutes stop highland radio are going to scotland from monday the first of may to thursday the fourth of may with the very best of music and we would love for you to join us stay in at the four star crown plaza hotel in glasgow we are bringing with us some of the biggest country stars including myself david james declan erney and robert mezell to 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donigol can i begin by asking why it's named after laura brennan for those who aren't aware and what is the campaign about yeah laura brennan was that poor girl who died of cancer of the cervix age 26 in 2019 and in the terminal phase she spent her time promoting the hpv vaccine people would have seen her on the late late show etc and since that her parents have continued to promote the hpv vaccine and they have agreed to put her name to this campaign so uh since the vaccine was introduced in 2010 we have been vaccinating young people in first year and secondary school and a certain number have missed out over the years for example last year we vaccinated 70 percent so we know there's a percentage missing this catch-up campaign then is to get those who have missed out being vaccinated um we are in and this was referenced recently by the the who we're in this almost not unique position but a particular position whereby this is um there's cancers right that we can effectively eliminate yeah that's correct which is not something i mean we'd love to get to a point where we could say that of all cancers but through these programs here this is one cervical cancer that we can almost i think i'm not misquoting the who eliminate it no that's correct and nearly a hundred hundred percent of cancers of the cervix are caused by the hpv virus and this vaccine will prevent that and that's what makes it such a great vaccine and so important that we get as many young people vaccinated as possible to decrease the pool of hpv in the community and to prevent the cancer of the cervix and you have to remember there's other cancers as well uh cancers of the anus mouth and throat cancers and penile cancers that are prevented with this vaccine as well okay now um how might someone contract hpv because obviously um people having hpv is is is far more likely than them suffering from some of the cancers you mentioned this is a cancer causing thing right but it doesn't mean that everyone who gets hpv will develop cancer either so can you talk to us a little bit about hpv how it's contracted and then maybe its relationship with the cancers that you talk of yeah so everyone who is actually active almost a hundred percent will get the hpv virus the vast majority of people like so many viruses that we come in contact with they uh their immune system deals with the virus themselves and that's the end for it but in a small percentage the virus persists and that's what causes the cancers then long term so while you get the hpv virus at a younger age the cancers can develop over 15 20 years and some people struggle with the us talking about something that's sexually transmitted and young people you know there are some that might have the view that this in some way is a green light for sexual activity you know i'm really trying to get to and talk to the people who may not engage in this vaccination program do you recognize that there are some out there with those views i think um while you say while the virus is sexually transmitted it's in effect anyone who is ever sexually active is it is probably going to get this virus so that makes a difference i think and i think people have to live with the reality that the vast majority of us are going to be sexually active and that that is how the virus is transmitted how have some people been missed i imagine there's appointment days and people might be away i would suspect there is with all the conversations about all the vaccines there's a bit of toxicity that people in their mind are grouping all vaccines in together i've no in fact i've no doubts because i've spoken to people i've no doubt that that is also a factor are those reasons or do you have your own contributing to the 30 that didn't take it up last year yeah i suppose the reasons can be summarized uh convenience is is an important one so we vaccinate the first years in school and if any of those first years are absent on the day then we will send them a follow-up appointment but it's often difficult for parents to get to those appointments consent forms get lost and as time goes on they lose track of the fact that they haven't got it now we do try and make it as convenient as possible for people by going into the schools but we do miss out some and i suppose the other factor then we call complacency and that is people just don't think it's going to happen to them and but the reality is that in Ireland there's about 300 cancers of the cervix every year and about 90 die so that you know is a way of getting over the fact of being complacent all right so but some will look at that and say well the odds are still relatively small is there vaccine safer i don't trust the vaccine so what would you say to them yeah uh the vaccine is extremely safe vaccine it has been uh studied now for 16 years it is monitored by the world health health organization european medicines association and there's been no safety signals with the hpv vaccine in the website hpv.ie there's over 100 papers that people can look at that uh confirm the safety and the efficacy of the vaccine are the multiple strains of hpv and if so does this vaccine cover them all yeah there's multiple strains of hpv there's over a hundred this vaccine is called Gardasil 9 which means it is effective against nine of the types of the hpv and that has focused on the most uh the main cancer preventing and the main genital ward causing uh groups of the hpv so it is targeted to specific strains of hpv specifically the cancer causing do they evolve and change like we might see with a flu virus for example no the hpv is is stable yeah it doesn't evolve it doesn't change all right in the past i've spoken to parents who cost was a barrier i believe if you missed out and you were a certain age and you went back to try and get the the vaccine that there might have been a charge i hope we've done away with that have we uh the program has been targeted at eligible people and those are people who are under 25 females under 25 females who are in second to sixth year in secondary school and males who are in second to fourth year in secondary school or if they skip transition year fifth year now anyone outside those eligible cohorts can still get the vaccine through their GP and it is an expensive vaccine is i don't want to draw you into controversy when you're trying to get information out there but surely for everything that we've been speaking about now we should have free access to this vaccine for all that would benefit from it yes well that is free access for all females under 25 and the eligible criteria and that is who has been targeted by this campaign currently um how many doses of the vaccine are actually needed you talked about you know people getting an initial dose in first year yeah one dose is all that is needed now and that is the change um it was introduced in december uh because the international evidence is that one dose of the vaccine is providing lasting immunity because the vaccine has been around um used in ireland since 2010 and in other countries for longer the testing has shown that one dose of the vaccine is maintaining efficacy and that is maintaining now for over 11 years right so uh where are these clinics taking place then across the county and donnie gall we are providing clinics in letter candy and there's two per month uh the february clinics are on the 13th which is monday coming and the 27th the venue is we're currently using the cvc center which people know in list nanon which is the center where the covid vaccines were administered the clinics are running from 9 30 until 4 30 anyone who wants to register for this can go to hpv.ie okay and there is uh laura brennan the catch-up campaign icon there and people will message so i'll ask the question before you depart uh letter candy is an awful long way away from an awful lot of donnie gall are there any plans at this point to have satellite services available or you know maybe in in central or north in the shown you know west donnie gall um donnie gall town for example no so far we're only providing the one center in letter candy but for that age cohort that we're targeting for example something might be in college in different areas so every county is running this catch-up campaign so it might be more convenient for some uh college students say to get it in the third level educational exactly okay uh what about side effects uh callers on the fence on it concerned about side effects this is a very safe and effective vaccine i have been involved in the school program delivering it in the schools as i say since 2010 so what we see is 90 percent of people have no effect then there's a transient mild side effects for example about one in ten might get a sore arm we would say maybe about one in a hundred might get a slight fever um slight headache but again that'd be very transient lasting 12 24 hours okay um and there's more information i'm sure available for parents guardians to do the research maybe we don't want anyone doing anything without feeling that they're fully briefed on something so where might people get more information on this vaccine so that website hpv.ie has all the information you need including you know what to bring for the clinic how to register and on the menu bar along the top there is um information materials and there there's a reference to all the research all the information you need to know about the vaccine now someone listening um might sort of go right well i want to get my daughter or son the vaccine but they might not be due yet through their schools so you know who uh so what age group it's first year primarily isn't it so in other words if you're if your students under 16 for example your child's under 16 do nothing you wait and that'll be done through the schools that correct exactly so yeah the the regular first year campaign is running as normal so we went to the schools twice a year and do and deliver the vaccine to the first years so then for over 16s can register in the portal hpv.ie and then the in-between group in the schools we will be targeting when we go in to do our school vaccination program which will be happening during march april and may all right and how's a lot of the focus has been on on girls and girls under 25 how important is it that that uh boys receive this vaccine yeah well about 50 countries internationally now have added in boys to the program and for boys there's the protection against genital warts and there's also protection against anal cancers and mouth and throat cancers and penile cancers and it also decreases the pool of hpv infection in the community okay anything else that you think you need to add uh well just to reiterate hpv catch-up campaign for all females under 25 for all girls in secondary school from second year to sixth year and for all boys in secondary school up to fourth year or if they've skipped transition year and fifth year available in letter candy to clinics a month and information via hpv.ie okay um dr pauline galleher uh we appreciate your time thank you very much for calling in thank you it's been lovely having you in uh so that's dr pauline galleher they're senior medical officer in immunization in uh donnie galle we'll be back with more in the nine-ton news show after the break watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highland radio dot com transform your home with a visit to mcgillies furniture letter candy located at the port link business park just off the port road you'll find a huge selection of top quality suites beds and mattresses also slide robes and custom-made dining and occasional furniture with prices to suit every budget see the great choice for yourself at our showroom mcgillies furniture port link business park port road letter candy click mcgillies furniture dot com hello thanks for waiting could you hold the line yeah no problem now how can i help you hi i'm looking to make some updates to my insurance policy have you tried our online portal i thought it would be easier to call yeah yeah no you're gonna have to log on to amend your policy thanks for calling no no wait i don't know my password get the feeling that your insurer doesn't want to talk to you at local insurance we understand your needs call today for a bespoke quote or find us online at localinsurance.ie local insurance we'll get you sorted the local insurance network dak trading's local insurance is regulated by the central bank of ireland local insurance is a tide insurance intermediary of acorn brokerage limited trading is acorn insurance is regulated by the central bank of ireland ireland's biggest ever tribute weekend is coming back to donnie gall trip bash 2023 is taking place at the clanry hotel letter candy on the 10th and 11th of february the nation's very best tribute acts take to the stage with a fantastic award-winning johnny cash and june carter 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to see what's unfolding in in your country it's a difficult situation on top of difficult situation for your countrymen yeah thank you for you what are you hearing from um syria bilal i presume it's hard to get information with so much going on it is now for syria it's a very very very problem because you have electric in the syria and turkey you have two more two thousand people kill now and uh more three thousand uh more maybe one thousand or two thousand and down building no any no any country help now syria no any country all the country go to turkish help just turkish now yeah um and it's difficult isn't it to get money and whatever might be needed to the people that need it in syria at the moment no no no you don't need that country you don't have money you need just help help you need people you need uh electric you need fuel you need anything no money not everything money for my country need people you need doctor you need ambulance now everything problem because obviously work is going quickly to try and save people in in turkey you don't see the same situation in your home country yeah because now turkish close for my country and turkish it can't come anybody for syria now it's close how does that make you feel it's a problem it's very sad it's very sad now and you need you need you need help you need the bribe for syria need everything and this individuals really this you know people themselves this requires countries to respond doesn't it yeah uh now now uh for morning you have some problem now for uh river it's a problem for uh what's the problem normally is this normal now for uh for edlib yeah okay well listen i hope uh the calls are heard uh and i hope syria gets the help that it needs as well the thought of people uh that could be rescued uh under rubble not being rescued is heartbreaking uh be how bilal yeah yeah please you need for government or government for arabian for world you seek with syria open yeah for syria no close okay now we need people help no close understood okay thank you very much indeed and as i say i also thank you for your country people no problem that's uh bilal uh back to i beg your pardon abte jaleel my mistake there okay um let's get back to some comments here good morning greg in relation to slurry and tankers what a farmer is supposed to do not their fault that roads are not suitable very frustrating for them as well also campaigning for years to get their slurry used for energy but nothing being done your show will be coming down with people complaining about slurry but not all farmers fault well listen we are program our area um you know it covers an awful lot of agricultural areas across the northwest and there is an understanding i think the people understand i have not been inundated let me say by people having a go at farmers okay um so hopefully that's encouraging welcome news that god is to be given a general neutral makeover gender neutral makeover if only the church would change policy on abortion homosexuality the pews would be full again says one listener the current issue about overcharging patients in private homes for 30 to 40 years being illegal it crosses my mind what about girls being sacked from their employment in the civil service for getting married there are few people still living who suffered the guilty in just government verdict and very few of the present population even know of this crazy law if it was a law could this be as illegal now as the private homes issue after all it was implemented by the same phenolpholem phenogale governments is there any hope of a claim here well it's not i think there's actually quite a lot of people alive that that affects because they're having to live on pensions less than their male counterparts so that's still a very very live issue but thank you very much for your text i appreciate it right as you may be aware garity have again pleaded for any public assistance into the murder of a man in bon crana because today is the 11th anniversary of the murder of 24 year old andrew allen woody allen is andy's uncle and joins us on the program now woody thank you for taking our call 11 years ago but i'm sure it's still very fresh in in your memories and and in your hearts as well woody oh very much so um it's something that you'll never forget it was it was an awful night truly awful night and i suppose one of the worst things not one of the worst things but there was so much confusion that night is how i remember it and you were getting we were here in this family that he died and then people who were at the scene in the media were saying me no no he's not dead the guards are saying he's not and and so on and so forth and the ad war as i say for his closest family especially moorish flora brawler sisters that it was a night to never forget or or neither will i it was one of the most horrible experiences you know uh how to will people suffer the the murder of a loved one like that especially in such a barbaric fashion there's one picture sort of has has become synonymous with andy in the the appeals uh but that doesn't tell us about andy himself but that's you know it's the only image we have use have all the other images and all the other memories can you tell us a bit about andy andy was uh he was happy good luck he was always up for a joke a laugh and so on a um um he loved newcastle united football team he loved boxing and i think he talked about uh going back to boxing and and boncran he wanted to join a club there um it was very very popular across both sides of the community here in in dairy and that was something that really struck home when when we saw just how many people were coming forward and seeing how much they thought about them how they couldn't believe this had happened and so many young people um afterwards there were some rallies organized against the republic and actually against drugs and dairy to protest against the you know this barbarity and the number of young people that took part and they came from all sides of the community and that showed showed us all you know how how well thought of he was and i think gave the light to what the republican action against drugs claimed about him it wasn't the person that andy was which makes it even more difficult for family isn't there because whilst dealing with your grief you also probably feel you have to counter a perception that's out there as well so that's you don't want to be having to deal with that when you're dealing and it's and it's the nature of the the he's passing as well it's an awful lot to contend with yeah it was brutal it was really brittle and uh i mean i went along to the inquest and that that was very difficult too and as you say as we're well aware in this part of the world often when someone's killed wrongly there comes a cover-up and a smear champion afterwards and that's what we have felt that we haven't just buried someone buried or someone who was we all loved we then had to fight declare his name and uh no one should have to do that and the guy that they called a master criminal was trying to get a job and a pizza place and dairy the night before he was killed and a few hours before he was shot he'd asked his brother to lend him some money that you know that that was andre yeah not the person that was portrayed by the people who murdered him in um annual appeals um that i've done with gardi um and it is seemingly almost every year now the theme i get from them uh and i wonder would you echo this wouldy is that there the investigation is stalled and what will move it forward is people that they know or strongly suspect have information that's sitting on their conscience or you know that they want to get off their chest and it's that information that will be the key to unlock this case is that how you see it wouldy yes i think so i mean the guard guard obviously have built up a big picture of what happened uh we know that we know i think that they know exactly who was responsible and how they carried it out they know but what's lacking is just that one piece of evidence that could allow them to to take this into court and i think you know what we hope is that loyalties made a change over the years or someone who was involved at the time may have it on their conscience and maybe not be able to live with the fact that they were involved in such a a callous murder and would finally come forward and tell the truth and hopefully we all still hope that they will be brought to justice and that despite the fact that's 11 years on we do believe the guardy are trying hard and that they won't won't let this go but what we do know is that very quickly 11 years becomes 20 years and becomes 30 years and and you don't want to be going down that road no we don't i mean uh the the inquest itself was was one step on the way to closure as people call it you know i don't think it can ever be a closure after an incident like that but at least at least it puts you know it acknowledges what happened to andre and now we just we just would love to see the people who caused that to happen pay the penalty is it difficult for people the family of of andy sort of living in the same area the same community let me put it like that though community when i use that word it has different connotations in in our part of the world but maybe living among those responsible or those that know something i can imagine that must be it must be very difficult yeah it is and i mean obviously they see they see them all the time they could walk past them on the street and there's that old silly saying you know the dogs in the street know who did it and sometimes the dogs in the street do although i think what the ps and i have said here in the past is the dogs in the street can't give evidence and uh that's why we'd want someone who can help put these people in into court would come forward but you're right yes there are times when you pass these people on the street his mother has told me that she's she's walked past and although she said they put their faces down but that's no i mean it's an awful way to be loving you know when you're you're encountering encountering the killers of your son in the street you know as you go about your everyday business knowing that they at least think they've got away with it and might get away with it yeah they will not that's exactly how i thought it might feel uh woody lots of people messaging in in support of you i mean obviously at this point you just want the information to move this forward but hopefully you uh and the rest of the family get comfort from people messaging in uh wishing you um look and justice as well oh yes you know we've had that there's always a great pouring of support at this time of the year you know and we all appreciate that and as i say a lot of people saw that for what it was whatever the motive was people know it wasn't what they claimed and it is it is some comfort they know how well thought of it was and that people are supportive of the family yeah and i like you uh skirt around the word closure because it means so many different things and for some it never comes but justice an outcome to this would make the birthdays the anniversaries christmas those events a little bit more easier i would imagine if people could go and visit andi's grave in the knowledge that those responsible have been held accountable for what they've done yes and even if we never get that after what even admit that they were wrong you know even that would be a start if they were to admit as i was told privately at the time that they'd made a mistake but they still released that statement you know so if they would at least admit they may start going up you know and i mean it seems like yesterday to me what you're talking of so i can only begin to imagine what it must be like for you and the rest of the family would he listen thank you um for for speaking on this day uh and one of these years maybe this the the appeal will reach the years of a person uh that you have described and talk of that want this off their chest that want this off their conscience maybe before the end before they themselves uh you know yes hopefully we need is that one spark that will will light up the whole the whole investigation all right best of luck to you would he thank you thank you i'm thinking on you and the family of course you know that take care thank you very much okay that's woody allen there who's uh the uncle of andy uh andrew um allen right okay thanks for all of you who have been texting in the show i really do appreciate it to call us as the gea pitching castle fin is the same at night with lights on you can't see the road we were talking earlier on to a listener who's uh having that difficulty in a particular area i'm delighted berty herron to take over fina full party uh nailing the coffin for the party time to call themselves the tory party enjoying finna girl all right okay not a fina full uh membership card holder there i don't think berty herron old pension must be drying up okay um berty herron well i suppose he'll fit right in i heard in the finance minister with no bank it can't give us a break okay i'll get you that's the tone of it uh but some positives which i've read out a little earlier on today and i say very keen to hear those um i call us as a parent of children i know drugs are a serious issue in an issue at the moment kids are going out on a thursday and not coming back to a monday in relation to my own children taking them and the knock-on effect of my children taking them is having on our family we're at breaking point at the minute i've had to call the guard and several occasions i've pointed out the places where they can be gotten and nothing is being done about it it's also the type of drugs they're taking and what those drugs are doing to them as a parent i do plead others in the area let's get together and try to do something about it i also feel pubs clubs and homes should show a greater leadership in trying to eradicate the issues this is a parent so you can imagine parents out there if you're not dealing with this you can imagine what it must be like their children they know they're taking drugs they're out of the house for quite some time and they can see the change in their children you know if a child starts using drugs you know 18 19 20 younger the person that you know them of and and as and you know everyone has their their their pros and their cons we all have our flaws but they change overnight into someone that you don't recognize what can you do how do you help them i'm sure that's the situation this parents in and then you say right well i'll turn to the rg i'll tell them where they get in the drugs because if they cut off the spy maybe they can get back to themselves but they feel nothing is being done about it and also with the legal drugs you just simply don't know what's in them you don't know when you're going to get a call i mean we've seen awful cases recently of people taking drugs that have been cut and spiked and had additives put into them they're dangerous in and of themselves but can prove deadly of course but this person feels a bit helpless i think as a parent i do plead others in the area let's to get together and try try and do something about it i think that's the way i think it'll be very difficult to do anything as an individual but yeah right let us see what this says here greg there's another way to help those with suicidal tendencies and all addictions i.e. alcohol drugs gambling but you won't read it out because it's called god i've had this one before and i read it out before and getting to know him and his purpose for your life and i'm not referring to any religious belief i'm simply talking about god why would i not read that out again i'm it's literally the exact same text someone else sent out you know people can get comfort in religion whichever religion it is whoever they wish to worship maybe it's it's mindfulness maybe it's yoga i don't doesn't bother me i don't mind reading this god or religion is not a dirty word it certainly isn't on this program and never will be and some people i am sure do find a pathway through a faith no doubt about that and if it works fantastic but not all unfortunately suicides are linked to addiction or alcohol or drug abuse either and that's off the back of a comment i made yesterday about us needing to do something i know too many young people that are being lost to us through suicide and and yesterday i said i just wish there's something we could do uh charged 130 euro for a daughter to do the muck jude you're so ridiculous can't understand it as teachers in school correct them will you see and this is another text that's similar to one we had before there are some schools that sent out a bill to parents saying look we need 130 quid i did see that letter on that letter it did seem to indicate that part of the cost was for outside markers now i don't know why uh muck jr certain exams would be done by outside markers but that is the charge and the letter which have somewhere read effectively that if you don't pay the money now uh we're sending away for the for the we're ordering the papers or whatever you'll miss out how that would work i don't know i mean i tell you i'll put the call out here because i think this is an interesting way to get to the bottom of this did anyone's child miss out in the mocks because they didn't have the money now i know that's not something necessarily people want to share but in confidence you messaged me private on facebook if you wish anyone who does know they can do so in absolute confidence but i mean what happens if you didn't have the money you know and you're embarrassed into paying it to you know we have to have some level of free education 130 euro is an awful lot of money i guess half an electricity bill okay uh 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highland radio weather updates with ireland west airport from march 26th airline this will operate a daily service to london haythrow providing onward connections to it a plus destinations worldwide ireland west airport don't just take off take it easy okie doke mostly dry today with light winds there'll be sunny spells and the chance of an isolated shower temperatures of seven or eight degrees and mostly light to moderate occasionally fresh west to southwest winds now after a mostly clear start tonight cloud will build from the west with patchy light rain or drizzle developing temperatures overnight two or three degrees with light moderate southwestly winds they will be occasionally fresh now rachel morrow is director of advocacy with the Irish cancer society good morning rachel have i pronounced your second name correctly i hope i do i have you have greg it's morrow like tomorrow i got it man i had morrow that's exactly what i said right rachel great to have you on the show now we're talking about um what can you tell us is it an anomaly um or how would you describe uh the the what what the issue we're about to talk of with the uh insurance industry i'll let you lay it out for us rachel please thanks greg and it's really nice to be on the highland radio this morning um so the issue that the Irish cancer society is highlighting and that we've been trying to progress and through the the door and the shattered is that people affected by cancer are being refused financial products which includes insurance and mortgage protection because of their medical history and you'll be aware that thankfully now due to advances in science and research that for some people cancer is quite treatable um and you can survive the disease now which which is really terrific and that's more and more of us as well it's not a tiny small cohort and and as you say thankfully because of advances this is affecting quite a lot of people it is so now around six in ten people who are diagnosed with cancer will live for five years or more and because of that kind of new reality we really need to make sure that the practices of the insurance and the banking industry are reflecting that so that you know you're not penalized after your cancer diagnosis after you've survived cancer and that you don't have to pay increased penalties or actually some people are being refused um financial and banking products for years after their diagnosis i'm thinking particularly um around and survivors of childhood cancer or an adolescent cancer that they find when they reach adulthood that they actually are still the cancer diagnosis is still following them around and it might mean that they're not able to move on with their life like by hand or it's a real emotional knockback too isn't it isn't it it really is and this is what the the Irish cancer society has heard and to our research and we published that in in last year and what it found was that people were really despondent they were really down you know maybe these are people who have recently got married and have to have decided to buy a home and they find that they can't do that and really there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do that and we've been looking across Europe and and seen what's happened there and many EU countries have actually put in place legislation which means that if you have survived your cancer and kind of a limit maybe of five or ten years has been put in place um that they no longer need to declare that they are a cancer survivor because it doesn't matter um but we know that in Ireland and the insurance industry has been lobbying against this legislation well that's it and that is really important so i really want listeners to hear this because it's bad enough that if this is the situation but there are moves or photos you can imagine to try and change this now is that the insurance arland lobby group are actively lobbying to delay or deter this planned legislation that is immoral in my view sorry i shan't put words in your mouth right now well look i i think that like some of the the words that they've used themselves around this being kind of a perception and that you know cancer survivors are being refused cover and i i know that any any of your listeners greg who have survived cancer and maybe have hit this issue themselves know that it's anything but a perception and it's very much reality and i heard you say there about and kind of the people and donnie gall who maybe weren't able to go through kind of the mocks and because the financial reasons then being reluctant to talk about their financial situation that's the same in this in this case too you know people really don't want to talk about suffering in silence effectively yeah exactly now also there's another strand to this as well because there are um there are some politicians that recognize that this is a problem and are trying to go through the houses to get this addressed that's been stalled or blocked what's what's the background there and i think we're talking off the back of business post reports there if you're comfortable to do that sure so the i'm glad to say that the significant majority of politicians agree with the Irish camp society this is an issue that needs to be legislated for so a a law or a bill was brought to the shanad in november last year and we were very very disappointed that despite every senator speaking in favor of this piece of legislation that it didn't move forward to the next stage which is committee stage and we believe and this is you rightly say greg was reported in the business post we believe that that's because cabinet decision was made to delay this this bill indefinitely so really what we want to see now is that um and and thanks to you for for highlighting this issue but we really want that bill to be progressed and we really want it to move to committee stage and that allows everybody like every voice to be heard we don't really feel um that the voice of cancer survivors has been heard um by cabinet um and we really really want to put that front in center because as he said there's no reason um why this legislation shouldn't move forward to the benefit of the call we'll never give we should never give up hope rachel never keep up bang in the drum but it is exhausting isn't it the battles that have to be fought against the state effectively you know be charges in hospitals thankfully there seems to be some progress in regards to that but even this trying to counter lobbying from a collection of insurance companies for people to be treated equally i mean you know what i mean like as to say we'll never give up but it's exhausting to have to battle for things like this that in any normal civilized society it would be shocking if they existed and and to battle in and i suppose in silence as well you know individuals don't have a strong voice um when it comes to taking on a big industry um like the insurance the insurance lobby groups and it's why in the cancer society we're so grateful for the support that the the people in duny call give us so that we're able to do work like this and i know you've recently been speaking to robert o'connor that the chairman of the duny call really for life um and the recent announcement that mcella donnell is going to be the global hero for hope there and we really couldn't do our work um without your support and it just gives people like you said that that voice um you know through the Irish cancer society that we are advocating um on people's behalf um at a very very vulnerable and to know what it's really useful you make that connection um as it relates to you know me people support and relay for life and and what that does and and then what can be done off the back of that rachel um you know and and you can't lie to an insurance company uh you know you have to be frank with them because of course they will try everything to get out of any claim so people are are are damned if they do and damned if they don't what we need is the blocks to be taken off the progression of this this legislation or conversation through the doll and we we we and it's right to call out the lobbying when it exists rachel listen thank you for your time i really appreciate it uh this thursday morning take care of yourself thank you greg all right that's rachel morrow director of advocacy with the irish cancer society right where are we at time wise we're almost at the end of the show are we that three hours really flew in all right for about a minute's okay let us see what i can do in a minute and do it justice i saw a lot of backlash online about sam smith's they them music video many claiming it was inappropriate and borderline pornographic why is it anyone outside of gender norms does something a conventionally attractive cis person does it's branding as a scandal well listen people have been opining and having opinions about music all the time i don't think really people can figure out why people are having to go at sam smith um for some he goes a bit far with the with the um the presentation nothing to do with his his gender or identity uh but people have been complaining about the content of music videos from all sorts for god knows i haven't seen it so i can't comment all right that's where we have to leave it on the program today uh we'll be back tomorrow of course the friday panel uh talking about all the big stories of the week michael and fenula are in as well we'll be able to talk about uh something that's embargoed for another three minutes i can't talk about it i don't know what it is but i think uh we've uh we've a lot of thanking to do uh for our listeners here uh in terms of the support for this program and the amount of you are listening now compared to this time three months ago and this time last year we're going through the stratosphere it's really brilliant to have all of your support uh but i don't know anything about that because it's embargoed 12 so maybe john can talk about it i don't know i can't all right have a lovely thursday thanks to donna marie who researched and produced the show chats you at nine have a lovely one