Think Tech Hawaii, civil engagement lives here. Aloha, welcome to Community Matters on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host, Kendra Austin, and today we'll be talking about raising autism awareness in Hawaii.  And joining me in my second half is my younger brother, Darius Austin, who's a rising senior at Laylahua High School. Today we're discussing how Hawaii's special education programs and behavioral therapists play a vital role in the development of autistic children and teens. If you want to ask a question or make a comment, you can tweet us at thinktechhi or call us at 374-2014. Welcome Flavia, welcome to our show. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. So me and Flavia know each other because you are a behavioral therapist for my younger brother. Yes. Even though you work with my brother, I'm not really sure on exactly what you do. So can you go into detail about your job? Sure. So as a behavior analyst, what we do is we try to support our students and our clients in becoming more socially appropriate or being able to handle social interactions and being a part of society. So when someone gets diagnosed with autism, usually there are some behavioral deficits and things that they're having difficulty learning on their own. And so we step in and we try to teach them the things that they need to have that is difficult for them to actually pick up on their own. So how do you go about doing something like this? Well, usually what happens is the person who is seen by their parents is potentially having a problem. It goes to the psychologist or psychiatrist or their physician and they receive a diagnosis of autism. And within that diagnosis, usually what happens is the doctor or the physician or the psychiatrist will actually point out those deficits that they identified in their diagnosis as being issues for the kid. And they will then make a recommendation that the parents seek out autism, ABA therapy. So I know all autistic children aren't all the same. No. So how do you go about each and every one of them? Well the way we go about our services is it's very specific to the client that we serve. So our research in the science that we serve is based on behavior analysis on behavioral therapy. And within that domain of psychology, we try and are driven to support a kid's individualistic needs. So we'll come in, we'll do an assessment. We'll determine what are the issues that the kid may have with, you know, just functioning on a daily level. Whether that's communication, social, daily living skills of that sort of nature. And then what we do is we create programs to help them to acquire those skills. And could you give an example of these programs that you're talking about? So say we have a kid who usually is having tantrums. I'll pick something that's very, you know, broad. But a lot of our kids have them. Oftentimes kids will have tantrums because they either don't want you to do something or you're taking something away from them or they want your attention, right? So we go in and we do an assessment to determine the function and that would be the function of their communication, which is do their behavior and that's the tantrum. So what we do is we say, okay, you're tantrum because you get upset when someone asks you to do a certain task, right? So what we do is we teach them the appropriate way to communicate that they want a break from the task.  So I, so you go about this. So I know there's a spectrum for autism, um, severely autistic mildly. So for a severely autistic child, how would you convey to them not to have this? But it's, you know, it's interesting. I tell, I'm a behavior analyst, so I have registered behavioral technicians that work under me and they work directly with our clients. And I tell them all the time that oftentimes what we convey to our kids doesn't necessarily have to be verbal. The kids that are nonverbal, they learn through the behavior that we present to them, right? So everything we do is teaching them something. So we teach them through our behavior and we teach them what we expect from their behavior. It's, it's interesting because, you know, oftentimes a lot of the RBTs say to me, registered behavioral technicians, they'll say, well, how am I supposed to convey that to them? And I just don't worry. It'll happen on its own. For example, I'll give you an example. So say we have a kid who has a problem with waiting to receive a candy bar, right? And so we say, okay, you have to wait. And of course, because they're not verbal waiting, you know, me saying you have to wait doesn't mean anything. But all I have to do is put a timer on and, you know, sort of like let the time lapse and they are aware of the time lapse. I mean, they can figure that out. We all sort of like know when a couple minutes has passed, right? So they have those abilities to identify things like the passage of time and things like that. So it's pretty interesting. So, so are you saying that to be a behavior therapist, it takes a lot of patience? Well, it takes a lot of patience, but it also takes a lot of education. And our discipline is based on behavioral science, which was developed by BF Skinner. And the techniques that we used are based on the research that was done in laboratories long time ago with animal subjects. And then those research programs and in those, I mean, those research experiments led to programs and then those programs we then applied to children and older adults, right? And that's where applied behavior analysis came from. So it's behavior analysis, but it's done with people and not necessarily with animals. So the basic things, and I'll give you an example so you can understand. So Skinner was able to identify the basic laws of behavior. And those basic laws of behavior apply to all behavior for all human beings, for all organisms that live and breathe. And so he broke them down. And those are the things that we use. So if you like something, you'll continue to do it. If you get something positive from it, you'll continue to do it. If you do something and it doesn't fare well for you or it's punitive or it doesn't feel right, you'll stop doing it. So those are the two principles that we actually use in our therapy. And that's the principles of reinforcement and punishment. Okay. And so does this, is this throughout the ages of the autistic child? Throughout the ages. Depending upon, okay. So in Hawaii, initially the Department of Education was the only organization that would pay for our services, right? So in like 2000, we were contracted through the Department of Education to provide services in the school. And that was through the Felix decree, which was a law that passed that said that our services needed to be taken into consideration for kids that needed it. And then the decree was for a certain period of time. And then most recently, we have Luke's law, which is a law that was passed in Hawaii that basically fought for insurance companies to pay for the services of kids diagnosed with autism. So now we receive our funding through insurance companies and Tricare and HMSA and Kaiser and Aloha Care and all of those. And so does, so any family of any, you know, tax bracket can afford it? Right, because yes, because Medicaid pays for it as well. So if someone has Medicaid, they can receive our services through that as well. So I know you're, we're talking about children and teens, but what about autistic adults? Yes. Autistic adults, they're the ones who, you know, people are still fighting for them to receive services. So Medicare, I think, has determined that if you have autism or if someone in your family has autism that you can act, that person can actually receive services throughout their lifetime. Oh wow. I think that for some of the other insurance companies, the age is to 25, yeah. So have you ever had anyone over? Sure. Oh wow. Well actually, this year I had a person who was just recently diagnosed with autism. She was 25 years old. Oh wow. Yeah, that was interesting. That experience, like. It was interesting, because she had had no services before, but she was a high functioning autistic person and her issues were more directly related to her inability to socialize or her feeling uneasy and uncomfortable with her socialization out in the community. So we sort of like helped her with that, which caused her to have anxiety and depression and things like that. So we worked in conjunction with her psychiatrists and her doctors and she was going to other therapies as well. And so our objective was to sort of like help her change her mindset and her behavior directly related to how she should communicate with others to help her to go out, to support her in that. So you can just talk to her about the various things. Talk to her, support her in going out in the community, you know, setting up the occasion for her to have, you know, small conversations with people, you know, being sort of like that person on the side who sort of like creates the, you know, learning opportunity for her and then supports her through it. Yeah. And so the goal pretty much for these programs is to have these autistic children and teens more high functioning. Well, it's not about them being more high functioning. It's about them being more functional in their community. It's about them being more independent in their community. It's about them having, you know, a sense of well-being in, you know, sort of like autonomy, which gives them, you know, a lot more confidence in themselves as well. So our objective is to make them all, you know, feel as effective in their lives as they can possibly be, right? So we try to make it so that if they want to go to college, we try to, you know, help them get to that point. If, you know, they just want to be able to have a couple of friends, we can do that as well. If we have someone who engages in aggression, then we teach them an appropriate way to communicate their wants and needs. So there is no longer a need for aggression because, of course, aggression is not necessarily socially appropriate. You know, tantruming is another one. I mean, they do it for various reasons. It always has a function. They're always trying to communicate something. So we try to determine what it is they're trying to communicate, give them an alternative way to communicate that that's appropriate. So they have no longer have a need to engage in tantrums. Has there ever been a case where it's just so difficult that you might, it takes maybe a long time to get through?  And some children with autism do have what we consider to be regression. So you have a kid who learned something but they can't hold on to it, right? And they, if you don't continue to work on that behavior or you don't continue to help them to develop that skill, then they lose it. And then you have to start from square one, right? Those are some of the most difficult ones because those are the ones who need intensive service and supports all the time. Others don't. I mean, they, you know, learn what it is that they need to. And then we use that as a scaffold to build other skills. So it all depends on where they fall on the spectrum. And the spectrum is vast. You know, we have those that are mildly autistic and we have those that are severely autistic as well.  And that could be a challenge for us as too, yeah. Well, this has been a very interesting conversation. But hold on, we'll be right back. We're taking a quick break and we'll have my second guest coming on, Darius Austin. When I was growing up, I was among the one in six American kids who struggle with hunger and hungry mornings make tired days. Grumpy days. Kind of days. But with the power of breakfast, the kids in your neighborhood can think big and be more. When we're not hungry for breakfast, we're hungry for more. More ideas. More dreams.  When kids aren't hungry for breakfast, they can be hungry for more.  My name is Stephanie Mock and I'm one of three hosts of Think Tech Hawaii's Hawaii Food and Farmer series. Our other hosts are Matt Johnson and Pomei Weigert. And we talk to those who are in the fields and behind the scenes of our local food system. We talk to farmers, chefs, restaurant tours and more to learn more about what goes into sustainable agriculture here in Hawaii. We are on on Thursdays at 4 p.m. and we hope we'll see you next time. Welcome back to Community Matters, Think Tech Hawaii. Today we'll be talking about raising autism awareness. And joining me is our second guest, Darius Austin. Well, Larizzo Darius Austin, who is a rising singer at Lailahua High School. So Darius is a client of Flavia. So Darius, I want to talk to you about what are the things that Flavia's helped you with. I think she's trying to help me more with like the trying to get more friends and trying to be more social and trying to be less awkward than I am. I'm still awkward. So we'll have to like maybe some few more years probably going on to college more. Probably be normal. Probably by like, I don't know, like my late, mid late 20s. I'll be normal. You think so? Well, half the people that you'll be with in your late 20s will be awkward just like you, so you'll be just fine. So you think what Flavia helps you with is very impactful on your life? I've been with her before.  What was her name? Was it Christina? Tina? I think so. Christine, didn't it was like Leslie? Was her name or Jade? There's so many. I think there were like four or five. I haven't forgotten their names. So have you noticed any changes with all these people, these various behavior therapists? Not really, no. I usually kind of do just remain the same. Do you think with Flavia, are you a little bit less awkward? Are you more social and talkative? I think I kind of started being more, but I think I kind of did that by myself before. I think because I was trying to like, because I usually would like, when I have to like to interact, I would usually kind of like put on like a mask or something. I don't want to like sound like a psychopath, but I kind of like had to like put on like a motion that I usually put on. Okay. It was kind of like when Halloween, you remember when it was this, I think it was her dad and little girls, her dad, and they were both dressed. The dad was dressed of like Clifford and the little girls dressed like Emily Elizabeth. Yeah, I remember that. I was kind of very happy because I was like so surprised. Like, I used to remember that show as a kid. Well, you know, for Darius, I think one of the things that he may not necessarily see that we do for him is that I come in and I push him every day. And so I come in, okay, we're going to have a conversation and you have to start a subject and you have to give me four questions or five questions about it. And so it's something that he can do, but it's hard for him to do it if he does it. He's not socially motivated to do it, right? So for me, it's about helping him to practice what he already has and to make him more comfortable with doing it so that when he goes out in the world, he'll be a little less hesitant to communicate with others. So when you first met Darius, what were the first things you do to get a more comfortable relationship with him? Well, in our field, we call it parrying. And so, you know, his therapist that comes with him, she came in, they made brownies and do all that stuff. And Darius was like, I don't understand what she's doing for me. So what's brownies have to do with anything? But she was trying to create a relationship with Darius so that he would feel more comfortable to communicate with her so that we could work on things. So when I came in and we had our first conversation and he said he really wanted me to help him work on social interactions, then I did a little research and determined what it was that he might need specifically. And, you know, so we have sort of like a structured way of going about it. So he may not recognize it, but the staff is taking data and we have specific goals that we work on with him. Now, we do have fun times and we went to bowling the other day and we played pool. And, you know, it was great to see him in a situation where he was a little competitive with his brother. And, you know, so helping him deal with even, you know, competitive feelings and being able to express that appropriately with his brother was something that we worked on too. So he doesn't realize it, but I'm working every time I'm with him like right now. So is every child more open about what they need? No.    Like, and I ask him often, frequently, you know, what is it that I'm here to help you with? And he says, you know, socialization.   He knows all those things.  So what about the children who don't really know what's wrong with them? Like, I don't know. We used to work on the behaviors that are socially inappropriate, like, you know, for kids that throw tantrums or kids that can't wash their hands or kids that need to sit under seats. We try to do what we can to help them to be a part of society, to be a part of the group, not to stand out so much, right? And also, for a lot of those kids, they, and Darius has a little bit of this too, their ability to focus on things that are not interesting to them, right? So when you're not focusing on things that are not interesting to you, then you can't learn what they are. And we all have things that we don't like, but we still have to do them, right? So, you know, helping them to understand that, you know, there is something to gain from it, helping them to increase their focus so that they can be more aware of some of the things out in their environment that could potentially become things that they like. If they don't pay attention to them, they'll never know. And so, do you think more kids like Darius, do they have a chance of being more independent, potentially living on their own families? Yes, absolutely. I mean, they can have families, they can live on their own, they can have jobs, all of those things.  They can live full, enriched lives, and that's part of our objective, right? It's for all of our kids to have and all of our clients to have full, enriched lives, just like all of us, you know? And does that also apply to severely autistic children? Even for them. I mean, something as specific as having choices. So, when you go to Starbucks, how many choices are there for you, right? Billions, right? So, you have those amount of choices to you, for you, right? For some of our young kids, there are not as high functioning as Darius. It could just be that giving them options and choices just enhances and increases their livelihood or their life. So, there's a lot of things that we try to do. We try to increase their interests, we try to increase their communication, we like to make them social, just things that are just, for us, normal that they struggle with. So, Darius, do you think with more behavior, therapists like Flavia, you can live on your own one day? Living on my own? Or at least be very independent. Don't have a job. My son clothes.  I mean, I do that. I cook food. Outside of mac and cheese. Honestly, yes, but at the same time, no. I may need like a companion. At least like maybe like a living apartment at the very least. Like a wife, maybe.  Okay, yeah. At the very least. At the very least. At the very least. So, do you think you can have a relationship with children? I do not know. I really don't. I don't know. There's a girl out there that likes the things that I like. I'm sure you can find one. I have that same problem, Mary. It's okay. Trying to find a guy that likes what I like is really difficult. I don't really think like there's a girl out there that really adores 70s prog rock music. I don't think they do. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. So, Favi, you're very passionate about this. So, I really love to know what made you want to get into this. Well, gosh. Okay, so I've always been someone who likes to follow what interests me because that's what I did best in, right? So, when I was in college, I got into psychology. And after that, I took a couple of biology courses and chemistry courses and I loved them. So, at the end of my career or my undergraduate years, I thought about going into medical school because I wanted to be a psychiatrist. And I think, well, a child psychiatrist, that would be good for me because I really always have been really good and love kids. So, I went that route for a little bit, but in the middle of it, I realized that I really did miss the psychological, analytical part of what it was that I was learning and realized that it just really wasn't what I really wanted to do. So, I took a breather and I stepped back and I took a job at a preschool for children with autism. And I just, that was it for me. I said, I found my people and I connected with them and I felt that they were people who needed a voice. And I wanted to be someone who could support them and give them that voice. And then my career direction kind of changed into behavior analysis. And I've been doing it ever since.  And so, are there any pros and cons or mainly pros to what you do? There are cons. Our discipline is fairly new. I mean, I would say applied behavior analysis is maybe I don't quote me on this, but I think it's maybe like 30 or 40 years old. And so, we have growing pains of our own. We have now gotten to the point where we are certified and licensed in different states. And insurance companies are finding ways to pay us for our services. But all of that is always continuously changing is who's going to support our services and how are we going to get paid for what we do and where do we fall in the continuum of the provider list. So, because we're not, we're psychologists, but the way that we do things is a little different. And because autism is considered to be a neurological disorder, so we're treating something that is biological. So we fall somewhat of in the medical discipline. So that they're still trying to figure out where it is we fall in that. So that can be one of the cons because we're always having to shift and adjust to what they need us to do in order to provide services. The pros, I mean, to me, just being able to help people and seeing the growth that our kids go through and I'm just being able to support people in getting what they need. Like, you know, I'm completely committed to making sure that I can help Daris get what it is that he wants out of life until I'm no longer around.  And I mean, that to me is very rewarding, you know, even for our younger kids and some of our kids, just to see them able to, some kids that can't communicate. When they start communicating their wants and needs and engage in appropriate behaviors, it's just, you know, I can't express, you know, the gratitude that comes from that. Wow, this has been such an amazing conversation. Thank you so much, Flavia and Daris, for joining me in this conversation. I really enjoyed it. It was very impactful and informational. And of course, you're welcome. And unfortunately, that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you so much for watching. We have enjoyed bringing it to you. I'm your host, Kendra Austin. We have been talking about community matters, raising autism awareness in Hawaii. 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I cannot stand on a podium for the life of me, so I have to move around. We'll see how this goes. It could be a little awkward. So I am now based in San Diego, which means that I have been doing too much of this and not enough of preparation for my talk. But we'll see how this goes. This is foiling, and that is an electric foil board. And I was out with my friend Dylan, who's in the audience yesterday writing this in a lagoon when I was supposed to be working on my slides. But regardless, we made it. So this is me. My friend Tommy Wood, who is a presenter here, gave me a little bit of a razz.  What are you trying to hide it? And I thought, OK, OK, I should just come clean from the beginning. So this is my real disclosure that I am a strong advocate for the carnivore diet. And this is my website. CarnivoreMD.com. And that's me. So many of the things in this talk are influenced by my perspectives on ancestral health. And I am super excited about humans eating lots of animals. I'm writing a book called The Carnivore Code. This is not the actual title or the actual book. This is the actual title. This is not the actual book cover, but it was one of the original mockups, which was kind of fun. So all right, so when people think about a carnivore diet, they often ask me, they'll say, you eat all meat, right? A carnivore diet is just an all meat diet, right? And I say, no, no, no, there's so much more to a carnivore diet than just meat. And that's what I thought would be fun to talk about today in this talk. Specifically, what I thought I was going to talk about was animal fat and the importance of eating animal fat, sort of the unique nutrient value of animal fat and how it's been kind of aligned unjustly and what we're missing when we're not thinking about intentionally incorporating animal fat into our diets. So much more than meat. And what ended up happening in this talk was I also had to talk a little bit about organ meats. So really, this talk is mostly about fat. I'm going to talk a little bit about organ meats, but all sort of ancestral themes about pieces of the animal that we don't often think about, whether reading carnivore, ancestral, primal, et cetera. But the carnivore diet and ancestral diets are definitely much more than just meat. Fat and organ meats are a critical part of ancestral diets. So this could be my whole talk, this one slide. Which steak would you guys choose? I think it's fairly obvious. But how many people would go for this steak over here? So how many people would eat the Wagyu steak? He wants both. You can only get one. You have to feed the dogs something. How many people would eat the sort of the very lean sirloin? OK, so a few. And it'd be interesting to hear why people would eat the lean sirloin versus the fatty one. But at least I would say 85, 15, based on the survey, would go for the fattier steak. And I think this is an interesting finding that we are sort of humans, we are programmed to seek fat. And that is what this talk kind of began with. The notion, the curiosity that we do seek fat as humans, that steak just looks more appealing to us. We know that the protein in this meat is valuable. We know that there are value in the lean steak as humans. We really sort of have this fatty steak programmed deep into our brains. So on my YouTube channel, which is just under Paul Saladino M.D. I did an interview with Miki Bandor. He's a great guy, a good friend. And he's written some really cool ethnographic studies. He's a paleoanthropologist from Israel. This is one of the coolest articles that he sent me that he wrote. Just the title is awesome. Use of animal fat as a symbol of health in traditional societies suggests humans may be well adapted to its consumption. You'll see here at the bottom, fertility, sacredness, wealth, health, even a source of creation in life were associated with fat in traditional cultures. And in this article, they looked at over 200 cases from a very culturally and geographically diverse selection of societies. They perceived animal fat as a vital component of their diet and a profound source of health, rather than an impediment to health, as is presented in many dietary recommendations today, which drive me crazy. But this idea that ancestral peoples have always been seeking fat is such an interesting idea. So furthermore, in this article, they talk about a few specific instances. This researcher, Speth, came to the conclusion that fat, not protein, seemed to play a very prominent role in the hunter's decisions about what animals, male versus female, females presumably being more fatty, to kill and which body parts to discard or take away. They were seeking fat. Humans preferring to hunt prime adult animals over the more vulnerable and easily obtained young or old animals, because the old animals had more fat. Younger animals are smaller. They have less fat. And as we will see, when the animal has less fat, it's really not as valuable to us as humans evolutionarily. So this is also from the same paper by Miki Bendor, the Ikung of the Kalahari, which is the first picture there. Fat animals are keenly desired. All Ikung express a constant craving for animal fat. The Kree Indians considered fat the most important part of any animal. I would probably agree. They valued bears because the bears were super fatty. And then this Aboriginal population, they will seek the animal fat. And if they don't feel the animal's fat, they will just leave it. They'll be rejected as food even if they've hunted it. So we have this ancestral programming. We have this ancestral lineage of seeking fat, seeking the fattiest animals throughout many cultures in our history. This is one of my favorites. So this is an Indian Indian culture. And the word that they use, I am not exactly sure about the pronunciation, but it's we're a kocha. And that means it's a greeting. And literally it means a sea of fat or plenty of fat. And so basically when they're greeting each other and saying hello or goodbye, they're saying, I wish you a sea of fat. I hope that you are engulfed in a sea of fat. And I think that's so cool. They also have the same name for the main god, we're a kocha. And so their god, their main pantheonic deity is associated with a sea of fat. So their god is sort of just drenched in fat. This idea of fat as the key survival nutrient is embedded in this culture as well in such a poetic way. The Fat of the Land is a great book by Willem R. Stephenson. Many people are probably familiar with him. This is a quote from that book. And the quote from that book references a quote from Genesis where Cain and Abel brought sacrifices to God.  And God said, okay, I'll take that. So I mean, this is sort of tongue in cheek but even in biblical references, there are ideas that we have treasured animals and animal fats uniquely throughout our evolution or throughout history. So this is just a more basic version accepted, rejected. Don't bring vegetables, bring animal fat. Another one of Miki's papers, he really even dubs man a fat hunter and says that with this transitional part of evolution when Homo erectus went extinct and perhaps more relatively recent incarnations of the hominin lineage, specifically Homo sapiens and others moved onto the scene in the Levant Valley, which is the Levant area of Africa. We began having to hunt fattier animals as the elephants went extinct. For much of our human evolution, it's believed that we could hunt elephants and megafauna which were basically big sources of fat. But when the elephants went extinct, we had to find the fattiest animals.  We had to find the fattiest animals and we really became fat hunters in a specialized way. This is a fascinating graph. This is millions of years along the x-axis and size of the brain in terms of ccs on the y-axis. As you can see, there's this fascinating concept that for millions of years predating humans, our primate ancestors had essentially the same size brain. You can basically think about it this way. Our primate ancestors had 30 million years to grow a bigger brain eating vegetables, eating leaves, and it didn't happen. And then something happened about two million years ago and the human brain started to explode. This exponential growth in the size of the human brain happened right about two million years ago and that correlates directly with stone tools and hunting. So my premise, my suggestion would be that hunting made us human and the actual onset of consumption of animal products in large amounts because of our ability to hunt contributed directly to this massive increase in the size of the human brain two million years ago. Some people would argue it's fire, but the archeologic data on fire is much less clear. People dated between 1.5 and 500,000 years ago, which clearly, if you look at this graph, based on skull volumes, the human brain was already exploding in size at that time and I suspect that it's the stone tools and hunting that were the real key that made us human. That is access to animal fat.  I would say fat is important because fat is the nutrient that we need the most in the setting of not being able to over consume plants or protein. So I think that there are physiologic limits to consumption of protein and carbohydrates coming from plants and we'll talk about both briefly. So are there limits, are there physiologic limits to protein consumption? Absolutely, there's a picture of a rabbit because I'm referring to rabbit starvation here. So this is a really interesting paper and in this paper, the authors discuss the idea that there are dangers of excessive protein which they define and many people have defined as dietary protein being more than 35% of our calories as a human. When we get to more than 35% of our calories coming from protein, we run into this realm where we can kind of dance or we start to tiptoe into the dangerous realm of hyper amino acidemia, hyper aminemia, so too much ammonia in the blood, hyper insulinemia, nausea, diarrhea, even death. There are historical cases of rabbit starvation when people can only eat lean meats. This is a historical term that refers to the fact that when we are only eating lean meats that would be small animals or young animals or rabbits, squirrels, they don't have enough fat. We're reliant exclusively on protein. Protein then becomes a large part of our calories and that leads to metabolic arrangements specifically mostly this hyper aminemia. The liver cannot do the urea cycle to the degree that is needed to process the nitrogen groups in amino acids and you get spillover and you get ammonia and then you get all sorts of negative metabolic consequences arising from that. So there is a physiologic ceiling to how much protein we can eat as humans. We cannot simply just eat animal meat all the time. This is a really interesting graph and on the vertical axis is the mean rate of urea excretion and that's a genetic, predisposition of how quickly we are able to excrete urea and on the y-axis or the horizontal axis is body weight and so you can look here, in the middle, say someone has an average mean rate of urea excretion which again is probably a genetic determined thing and they weigh, I weigh about, I probably weigh between 70 and 80 kilograms. So for someone my size, 236 or 261, somewhere between that is probably what my body can do in terms of protein. If I exceed that, I'm looking at hyperaminemia. So there is my easily reachable protein threshold in a day with this equation. So I could easily get to that and that would probably be pretty close to 35, 40% of my daily calibration protein. I'm gonna push into hyperaminemia. I'm gonna push the urea cycle to an overflow position and that's not a good thing. So everybody's gonna have a little bit of difference. There are other polymorphisms that might move us up and down the vertical axis there. For instance, I think I have an ornithine transcarbamelase which is an OTC polymorphism. We don't have to go into that today. But I think that I actually have less, personally speaking, I have less of an ability to excrete urea. I suspect that my limits are more of the 55 to 60 in terms of the mean rate of urea excretion but everyone sort of falls on this graph but you can see these are easily obtainable amounts of protein if we were only eating protein to get to the limit of what your liver can do for urea excretion.  I reposted it on my YouTube. That's me and Ted Naiman. There's a lot of abs in this picture. I apologize for anyone who's easily offended by abs. Me and Ted Naiman, I sort of took the position that high fat was something that would be valuable. Ted Naiman is perhaps, it would be an oversimplification to say this, but he's more of the position that we should be focusing on higher protein. So this was an in-depth discussion if you guys are interested in high fat versus high protein. I was not in that discussion however disavowing or de-emphasizing the importance of protein. I do think humans need protein. I just think that if we overemphasize protein at the expense of good quality animal fat we are missing out on unique nutrients. So Miki also felt in this original paper that we talked about previously that there was a physiologic ceiling on plant food intake and that it could be limited due to fiber or toxins affecting the bioavailability of nutrients, affecting digestibility. And as Miki says, and I would agree, the poor health status of present day dieters who base their nutrition on raw foods, raw vegetable foods manifested in sub-facundity and amenorrhea is no joke. So this is really sort of my little interjection of my carnivore perspective. I do think that there are dangers to excessive plant consumption. This is not a whole talk on the carnivore diet. That one was a keto con, if you wanna hear that one, it's listed in all my sites. But these are just a few of the articles that I've come across that I think are most striking suggesting that specifically fiber over consumption can be dangerous for humans. This is a very contrarian perspective and probably merits a talk all of its own. But dietary fiber intake increases the risk of zinc deficiency in healthy women. Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and associated symptoms. That second study actually shows that the removal of fiber resulted in the complete resolution of idiopathic constipation in a moderately sized group of people. And then the last reference there, the effective daily fiber intake on the reproductive function, they concluded that a diet high in fiber is significantly associated with decreased hormone concentrations and a higher probability of anovulation in women. So just fiber here, I would say, fiber is not a nutrient for humans. Fiber is at best net sort of zero. It's maybe not harming us. And at worst, fiber is clearly detrimental to humans in terms of constipation, in terms of dysbiosis, in terms of hormonal changes, and in terms of mineral and vitamin bioavailability. So again, this is a whole separate talk that will piss a lot of people off and be super controversial, but I would say fiber is dangerous for humans and is part of the physiologic limit of human plant consumption. The other part of human plant consumption that creates a plant ceiling is the other anti-nutritional factors in plants, specifically polyphenolic compounds, which so many people consider to be valuable, but I would say are actually anti-nutrients. These are phytoaglutinants. These are plant defense molecules. Again, this is a whole separate carnivore talk, but the poor digestibility of protein and diets of developing countries, based on cereal grains and legumes, is due to the presence of less digestible protein fractions, high levels of insoluble fiber, and high concentrations of anti-nutritional factors. They're specifically talking about either digestive enzyme inhibitors or polyphenols inhibiting the digestion of proteins. So this concept is pretty radical. Polyphenols, tannins fall into that category inhibit the digestion of proteins. These are anti-nutritional factors. So again, tons of contrarian statements, tons of controversial statements. I'll just drop them there and we'll move on. We can debate them hatedly in the question and answer session or after, if you guys wanna talk to me, but I do not believe that these are beneficial for humans in any way, shape, or form, and I think there's really good evidence they are a net negative for humans. Just another article to kind of drive that point home, the inhibition of digestive enzymes by polyphenolic compounds. So there are naturally occurring polyphenols, in particular condensed tannins. They have been shown to inhibit a number of digestive enzymes and could affect the availability of protein and other nutrients on a high polyphenolic diet. This is quite different than what many other people would say. Interestingly, there are many animals, the moose is a great example, that have compounds in their saliva that break down tannins because they are eating so many of these tannin-rich plant foods that they have to break them down in order to get the proteins out of the plants, which are not very nutritionally bioavailable. So some animals that are herbivorous and have consistently co-evolved with plants are now, you can see, these anti-tanic compounds in their saliva.  It's all this biological warfare. Unfortunately, humans don't have that in our saliva. And if we over consume tannins, we are looking at potentially this problem. So again, this is the idea of plant physiologic ceiling to what we can consume. So where does that leave us if we can't eat a whole lot of plants because of these problems with fiber and anti-nutrients and polyphenols inhibiting digestion and we can't eat a certain, we can't go above a certain threshold for protein, what's left? Well, really fatty meat is left, fat in organs. So it's my goal in this talk to show as many pictures of steaks as possible. It's a lunch is coming up anyway. So, all right, but here's the problem. And I'm just gonna touch on this for a moment. The Mayo Clinic, the powers that be say that these types of fat are really bad for us, which is just silly in my opinion. And I think that I would refer people to a recent conversation that I had with Gary Fetke on my podcast, which is called Fundamental Health. If you want to understand perhaps some of the crazy, crazy origins of where these nutritional guidelines came from. But it is staggeringly incomprehensible to me why these major organizations, the AHA, the Mayo Clinic continue to say that saturated fat is bad for humans, continue to say that animal fats are bad for humans in the face of gathering large amounts of evidence to the contrary. And I'll just cite a few of these again.  So this is a study of 42 European countries. It's again, it's epidemiology, but they do not support an association between CVDs, which is cardiovascular diseases and saturated fat. As they notice, as they note, it's still contained in the official dietary guidelines and it says instead they agree with data accumulated from recent studies that link CVD risk with the high glycemic index load of carbohydrate-based diets. Well, isn't that interesting? Because if you don't eat a lot of fat, you have to eat a lot of carbohydrate. That's just how it works because we can't eat a lot of protein. We know that because of the physiologic limits of protein consumption. So every time someone is advocating for a lower fat diet or removal of animal fats, they are advocating at the same token for an increase in plant carbohydrates and that is maybe not a good thing. And I think that many studies are beginning to show this, but we are fighting an uphill battle in terms of the consciousness in the broader population. So I think I skipped one. Another study, pretty much the same thing this is called the pure study.   Sounds like a good reason to eat a really fatty steak to me.  I like it. There's tons of studies like this. Don't have enough time to really go into all of them, but animal protein, animal fat, and cholesterol intakes, and the risk of cerebral infarction, there it says it all at the bottom. A high consumption of animal fat and cholesterol was associated with a reduced risk of cerebral infarction death. They're talking about stroke. This is published in the Journal of Stroke. So again, to imagine that there is a very clear representation in the literature that animal fats are bad for humans, that humans should not be eating these, that these are contributing to death, mortality is false. There is some conflicting data, but I think that if we look at the general consensus of the data, it is clearly in favor of the fact that from an epidemiologic perspective and the mechanistic perspective, animal fats are only associated with better outcomes. Again, there's some nuance here, but in the face of such studies as this, I do not understand how the AHA and Mayo continue to recommend against saturated fat. That's all I'll say about that, and we'll go back to the regularly scheduled program. So where's the real magic in animal fat? I think that evolutionarily, we can imagine that humans were seeking fat because it's calories, because we want calories. And that's totally awesome. And I think that that's an evolutionary thing, but there are very few humans on the earth today that are deficient in calories. We can get plenty of calories. The reason I wanted to do this talk was because I think that some of the nuance here is that there are unique nutrients in animal fat that we should not forget about. And I believe that evolutionarily, that huge uptick in the size of the human brain had more to do with these nutrients that are present in animal fat rather than the unique consumption of calorie-rich foods. It's not that we just need to go out and get tons and tons of calories. That's not so hard to do. But if we look at the way that nutrients are partitioned in animals, we find very interesting data about unique nutrients in animal fat relative to other compartments and unique nutrients in organ meats relative to other compartments. Again, this kind of goes back to my theme way more than animal meat if we want to be healthy humans. So fat has unique nutrients, and that's why I put a unicorn on this slide because I just like putting unicorns in my presentations. Because I like using the word magic and I like unicorns. Fat has unique nutrients. We're not gonna be able to get into all these in the interest of time today, but let's talk a little bit about it. This is my premise. This is my postulate in this talk that there are valuable nutrients in animal fat, especially properly pastured, properly grass-fed animal fat that do not exist in as high concentrations elsewhere in the animal, and thus fat is a nutrient. Fat is a vitamin in sort of the most loose sense of the word.    There's a whole separate body of research to delve into there that we will pause and not look at today. Coenzyme Q10 is an interesting possibility because it's actually fat soluble nutrient. And then there are some trans-fatty acids in animal meat that if we have time, we will talk about which potentially have very valuable health implications for humans again. So this is the type of stuff that never gets talked about. People just think of fat as fat.  But what's so interesting here is that fat has nutrients. So briefly let's talk about this. This is a really cool paper comparing the amount of nutrients in grass-fed or grain-fed animals. And what it shows is that the antioxidant status, there's more glutathione in grass-fed animals and they actually quantify the amount of alpha-tocopherol, which is one of the isomers of vitamin E, beta-carotene and ascorbic acid in grass-fed and grain-fed meat. What we find is that there's a moderate amount of vitamin E in grass-fed meat, but they only measured the meat. They measured the muscle meat. They didn't measure the fat. And as an aside, I'll mention here that in the muscle meat, vitamin C, which is water soluble, it's actually a pretty decent amount. There's 11.3 milligrams per pound of vitamin C in muscle meat, according to this calculation. It's just so crazy to me that the USDA always reports vitamin C as zero in muscle meat because they never measured it. So the theme here is that we just don't know what's in many of these organs in animals because the USDA has never measured them. So I wanna show you a few levels in carnivores. This is actually my blood work. One of the criticisms of the carnivore diet has been that it's vitamin E deficient. Well, I'm above the normal range for vitamin E there. You'll also notice that my coenzyme Q10 is quite a bit higher than what true health would say is their upper end of normal. Coenzyme Q10 is right there below vitamin E. And you can see my other blood work if you want there. But don't just take my blood work. Here's another carnivore's blood work that I work with. He has the same vitamin E as me, 22.9. And his coenzyme Q10 is even higher than mine at 3.6. And here is another carnivore vitamin E, 32.0, quite robust. So where's all this vitamin E coming from?  And as we know, vitamin E is an antioxidant works in the human body in very valuable ways protecting membranes. This kind of pissed me off. So somebody sent me this today in my email. This is an article in USA Today. I'll move through it quickly just to say that in this article, this physician who works for the Barnard Center was the formatting on this didn't quite work out. He was saying that the only source of dietary antioxidants is through plants. And that was his advocacy for a plant-based diet. And I thought that is bonk, that is baloney, because as you've heard me talk about perhaps in other talks or I can talk about in the future, if we actually look at the antioxidant status or the oxidative status of people eating lots of vegetables and compare that to the antioxidant status of people eating no vegetables, we see no difference. So in terms of interventional studies, there is no evidence that eating lots of vegetables improves your oxidative status at all, which is another very crazy statement. So no effect, 600 grams, fruits and vegetables per day on oxidative DNA damage, increasing vegetable intake, no improvement without modifying oxidative stress or inflammation and overweight or obese post-menopausal women. Just, I think if you guys are curious about this, I would recommend the podcast I did with Gary Fetke. This has to do with where the nutritional guidelines are coming from. And the Barnard Center is probably associated with the Seventh Day Adventists as well. It's a little bit of a strange sort of connection. So let's talk briefly about vitamin K. I'm kind of running out of time. Multiple forms of vitamin K, K1, K2 and K3, which is intermediate. Chris Masterjohn has done a great post on his website. Chris Kresser has a great post about vitamin K. Basically, the takeaway with vitamin K is that vitamin K is another fat-soluble nutrient. It ends up in the fat of animals. If we look at where vitamin K is stored, it's in the fat. It's also in the organs, but it's especially in the fat and it's in the fat in vitamin K2. So we know there are incredible results with vitamin K2 supplementation. And if we look at epidemiology, especially the Rotterdam study, you see this clearly. The more vitamin K2 people had, again, this is an observational epidemiology study, the more vitamin K2 people had, the less incidence of coronary heart disease and the less incidence of aortic valve calcification they had. But the cool thing about the Rotterdam study was that there was no association with phyloquinone, which is the plant-based form of K1, with plant-based form of vitamin K, which is K1. So this is what's so cool. This is in the fat. So vitamin K, you want to get vitamin K? Eat good animal fat. That's where you get it. It's also in other organs like liver, heart, and pancreas. But animal fat is a source of vitamin K and nobody ever talks about this and it's not measured by the USDA. So again, this is a study that showed the same thing. A high menaquinone intake reduces the incidence of coronary heart disease and no connection with K1, which is phyloquinone. So I'm kind of running out of time. Let's see what we want to do here. I talked about this a little bit. The sources of vitamin K2 are organ meats, brain, heart, kidney, eat your organ meats. This is good for you, even though they're weird and they're gross. They're so good. Animal fat, butter cheese, egg yolks, emu oil, and the last one is my favorite, grass-fed ruminant fat, which is like suet and trimmings. This is the source of K2 that no one hears about.  When in fact the epidemiology evidence speaks very strongly in favor of increased consumption of animal fats with decreased levels of coronary heart disease. And animal fat is this incredible source of that nutrient. So if you guys have not tried suet, you should try suet. It's amazing. It's a perinephoric kidney fat. It's really good. I eat just like pure fat. I should have had a photo, but fat doesn't look really good in a photo. It just looks like fat. I don't have a ton of time to talk about fatty acids, signaling molecules. I want to allow some time for questions and answers. Briefly, what I'll say with regard to this is I'm talking about molecules like conjugated linolyneic acid. This is a fatty acid profile from one of the people I know who's also a carnivore. What I want to focus on briefly is just the fact that you can look at the trans fats here and conjugated linolyneic acid is a trans fat, but it is not associated with the same negative consequences as elidic acid, which is the trans fat that we get from plants or the vegetable oil fat, right? So there's a nuance here. And I don't think that the research is totally clear on what to do or what conjugated linolyneic acid is doing in the human body. But what is very clear is that fatty acids are signaling molecules that fats affect us hormonally. Fats affect us in terms of genetic and epigenetic signaling in the human body. And that this one fat that we're talking about, which is in that sort of trans linolyneic group, specifically conjugated linolyneic acid, which falls into this category of ruminic acid in the middle here, is probably very influential in the human body. And I suspect based on evolutionary norms that it is affecting us in a positive way. It's difficult to study because there are many isomers of conjugated linolyneic acid. And many of the studies only use one isomer and they're not recreating the profile of conjugated linolyneic acid that would be in animal fat in the same way. Vesinic acid is another trans fatty acid that's in animal meat that gets converted to linolyneic acid, conjugated linolyneic acid, and that's a linolyneic acid at the bottom. That's the one you don't want. But how interesting is it? How cool is it that the position of the double bond is what determines everything? Because a linolyneic acid and vesinic acid these are all 18 carbon molecules and they just have double bonds at different places. Rheumatic acid, conjugated linolyneic acid has two double bonds. These other ones have one double bond. The space of the double bond totally changes the way this molecule affects our bodies and affects hormonal signaling in so many ways. So I'll just breeze through this and we can wrap up so that people can have questions. But there is an a positive epidemiologic association between consumption of elidic acid, which is the vegetable trans fatty acid, but not ruminant trans fatty acid isomers, which is interesting. There is some evidence that conjugated linolyneic acid can reduce fat mass in humans. It's been studied to reduce weight and cause improvements in weight and insulin sensitivity. You can see the overall trend in this meta analysis here is toward a negative change in fat mass. There are more studies needed here. Conjugated linolyneic acid is acting as a signaling molecule. It does affect systems like P par, which is the peroxidome, proliferator, gamma, and alpha systems, which are involved in insulin sensitivity and insulin signaling as well. You can see this one perhaps can attenuate inflammatory markers in a colonic epithelial cell line. It's been studied. It affects P par alpha as well. It's perhaps could affect things in inflammatory bowel disease models. Let's talk about some take-homes and then we'll get to questions. Fat has been valued throughout our existence as the most valuable nutrient. It has been improperly maligned. The evidence that saturated fat animal fats are bad for humans is essentially misinterpreted and I would say shared with us in misleading ways. It does provide unique nutrients for humans. Fat soluble vitamins and minerals, vitamin E, vitamin K2, conjugated linolyneic acid. Perhaps others we're not even aware of coenzyme Q10 perhaps is stored there as well. And fat from grass-fed animals is a critical part of our diet. So if you wanna stalk me, that's my podcast, that's my website, and I wish you all a sea of fat. Time, we have time for about five minutes and then maybe you can answer some questions outside. Perfect, so five minutes. Thank you for your talk, Paul. I don't know if you did this on purpose but I heard you say something like vitamin K is in fat and other organs and I think it's great to recognize that fat is an organ meat. Yes, I couldn't agree with you more, Amber. Fat is an organ meat. And I wanted to say that in the talk as well, that fat is an organ. It's a hormonally active organ. It's actually, fat is an organ. I couldn't agree with you more. I wanna ask you a question about CLA because I have been trying to defend omega-6 fatty acids for a while. I've been thinking particularly about arachidonic acid which is a really important omega-6 but I hadn't thought about CLA as one of those and I'm wondering, I haven't looked into it very much. Is that something we generate, we can synthesize or do we have to eat it to get it? We can synthesize it. So it's present somewhat in animal fats but mostly I believe ruminant fats have vasinic acid and there's an enzyme in the human body. It's actually probably in one of those abstracts that we can synthesize the vasinic acid into various isomers of conjugated linoleic acid. Yes, and similarly to your point, arachidonic acid has hormonal effects as well on the PEPAR system. So yes, I would agree with you completely. In my opinion, arachidonic acid has positive hormonal signaling cascade as well. Cool, thank you. Yeah. I just wanna welcome you to SoCal. Oh thanks, it's good to be here. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan. And have you found a local butcher to? I've had, I've heard people say there's tip-top meats or something. I'm trying to find a good butcher that has grass-fed meat, yeah. I wanna try brain and I can't find any. I can't find, if you can find it, you need to tell me. I had somebody on Instagram send me brain, it was amazing. That's what I've heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Hello, what would you say to someone who's carnivore curious, I guess, like to start? Welcome to the tribe. I don't, I haven't done anything yet. I'm just curious. There's room for you here. I guess, help me understand what I can offer to that. I mean, I think if someone is carnivore curious, there are a number of resources out there. I would say, usually when people are carnivore curious, they have a few things that they're most concerned about. They're thinking, oh, I need fiber to poop or this or that and I would direct them. If there were specific concerns that someone had that were affecting their, were making them a little bit trepidatious to take the leap and try it, then I could address those specifically but I think that the interesting thing about carnivore diet and I've talked about this with Amber is that it's generally, it doesn't have to be a dogmatic thing. I think that it's essentially a continuum. The more animal organs, the more animal meat that you include in your diet, I think that the more high density, nutrient rich foods you're gonna get and that's gonna improve your health regardless. I do think that elimination of plant toxins is important for the reason, some of the reasons I mentioned and that the magic is a lot of doing both but I think that the more organs you can include in your diet that's gonna help you out and the fewer of the triggering plant foods you can include that's gonna be good as well and so it's just kind of this, it's two things, you increase one and decrease the other and it doesn't have to be a complete reversal but I think moving in a direction with both can help you get to your goals. Thanks.


It wasn't about a month ago Dwayne Deadman threw a Theragun on the court in process of his coach. I wonder which one of Chandler or Evan would throw a Theragun in Atlanta back in the day. Chandler would throw it and then say we. That would mean I was actually dressed and on the bench to have a chance to throw the Theragun. He's usually in a suit. He's usually in a suit on the bench.  White underpants. Ever even had my opportunity to get into trouble, Charles?


People, whether it's intentional or accidental, it's our primary concern. So, as a general SOEs, even before we do the exercise, we already know that combined operations is inherently hard. Difficult because you're dealing with two different organizations, two different cultures, and it is good that we share almost the same doctrines when it comes to work-fighting. So, the challenges were already predetermined by us, and that is what we were working through. What you witnessed available, if you saw in the screen, the presence of the Combined Information and Execution Center, that is actually what we were practicing. It is very easy to pull the trigger on a weapon system, and that is not what we were demonstrating a while ago. What we were demonstrating was our ability to operate at the operational level, at the joint combined level, for our general and their general to come together and execute a combined operation on the laborers. Operation at this level. And from that, in addition to the President, it's what we came out with. When training at the joint combined partnership level. The vastness and complexity of technological systems, weapon systems, component services from Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, even Coast Guard assets, all the way up to special operations forces. There's a lot of coordination, deep reflection that must happen. You copy that, that would increase technological prowess and ability to communicate across all spectrums and also operate within all levels of war, strategic operational tactics for the crisis of the conflict to include humanitarian assistance. So, learning is always happening. Every time we have the opportunity to train on a large scale element like this, we always take away the learning points more than the successes. Because the learning points will allow us to be more successful in the future in our interoperability and our relationship and partnership together for the coming years. The message that we are trying to send is that the alliance is alive and that we are always challenging ourselves. So, one Balikatan is always going to be harder and more complex than the previous Balikatan. That means that in every iteration of Balikatan, we will expect something different. We want to do this because we want to avoid stillness of the exercise and we also feel the need to challenge ourselves in able to operate at a different level for a different complexity of the exercise. Trying our hand at doing something that we've never done before. That is the challenge that we are trying to do. Because we are trying to exercise also muscles that we do not know we have. So, to answer the next question is that in every exercise that we do, the objective is really to train. We train together because we want to take advantage also of our pre-obligations. If you are going to be ordinary to risk your life for your country, you will have to take every advantage that is available to you. And the advantage that we have is that we have a meeting, we have a communication between them. It's very simple. And if I were to put it in latest terms, the Philippines and the U.S. forces have been in a partnership since the Batalan death march. From that time, all the way to 38 iterations of the bellica tan, the Philippine forces and U.S. forces have always been allies. And allies in this sense in a very simplistic way of looking at is family. We all know that nothing can break family. And in the coach of the Philippines and in the coach of the United States, sometimes family is everything. You may not see your family every day. You may not talk to your family every day.  And in this case, in this family matter, we've been called upon to train together. And we learned from that. That key element of partnership and resolve is far stronger than any other measures that tend to promise, any other measure of exploding targets or any other measure of offensive and defensive capability. The resolve in partnership is far stronger than any technical element that we have. And that's the true message of bellica tan. In translation, shoulder to shoulder, that doesn't mean weapon to weapon. It really means family. Thank you.


What's up everybody? Jayceen here with JaspysCaseBreaks.com. It's a Happy New Release Day. It's a new release of 2020 Panini Gold Standard Football. This is a six box half-case break. Pick your team's number one on our website, JaspysCaseBreaks.com. So again, low to all the top rookies, veterans, and retired stars the NFL has to offer. So Gold Center is always a popular release. Here we go. Boom. This sold out straight up like a couple days ago, actually.  And there you go. Here's the fresh case. So remember pick your teams one and two, I think, are part of the same case and let's open up the case. And good morning guys. I know it's, I know it's early. Early for a new release day. What is it? 11 o'clock now in the East Coast, 8 o'clock here in the Pacific. Going on guys. Early birds get the biggest hits, right? Catch the worms is what they say. All right. So what we'll do here is a half case break guys. So we'll split it up six boxes to the left six boxes to the right. What's going on Ryan? EA?  Maybe after Joe comes here at one o'clock. So I get usually a venti when I come in early of just caramel macchiato. I don't know. I just, I love it. But I don't know if you guys knew this, but the guy was like, we don't have no more venti cups.  And I thought venti was the biggest size they had. I think he said like Tatrum or something. I don't have no idea. Something, something similar like that. And I was just blown away.  This is crazy. So yes, I do have my coffee. I left here like about midnight last night. So got home, showered, went to bed, woke up, got here, went through some motors, and now I'm here breaking. All right, guys. So one, two, three for the left side, four, five, six for the right side. And we got a two, one, two, three. So these six boxes here will be for the next picker team, which again we can do right after. And here's six boxes here. There you go. Like the purple in the gold standard this year. Yeah, the gold bars always, always cool. No, I'm just trying to remember. I think, let's, I think if we go this way, it's not bad. Actually, let's go this way. I don't know. Sometimes these bars are kind of weird. All right, we got Jeff Ocuda. Looks like it's coming up just a little bit right there, but 37 out of 75. That's Detroit Lions. We have the Michael P ride. I guess the patch auto was at the bottom. All right, now I know. That's a patch auto right there for the Jets. So they are in their NFL uniform. There you go. We got DJ Dallas. Again, the corners look like a little ding, not too much, but just the way it came out. Seahawks. You got a Mark Cooper, white gold to $199. That's a nice one right there. Dallas Cowboys going to Jason K. We got a little Daniel Jones, five-way relic to $199. And then we got good gold, or good as gold to $49, Ryan Carrigan. That's a three-color patch for the Washington football club. Although they'll still have the Redskins logo on there. I wonder what they're going to change that. Redskins going to Patrick. And then we got Keyshawn Vaughn for the Bucks. Number to $25. So, guys, the next pick your team is already, already, you have a six left, so you guys want to get the next one rolling. We got JJ Watts, seven out of 10. No, they're just going to go as this year with the Washington football club, I believe. Michael P. Ryan, Josh Allen, little five-way relic for the Bucks. So, Bills, sorry, did I say Bucks? Bills. Tony with the Bills.  We got Derwin James, Jr., good as gold to $299 for the Chargers. Chargers, hopefully more for you, Sam, get some her work. Our first rookie auto in this box is Van Jefferson, which I kind of like as an autograph. Pretty nice. Definitely cropped in the Rams uniform, but better than Collegia, right? I don't want $199. Rams, went to EA. And Clyde Edwards-Hallaire. Look at that, nice. $299, triple relic and auto for the Kansas City Chiefs, going to David. Very nice. Next box. I've got Joshua Kelly for the Chargers to $75. How about another Charger, Joshua Kelly. Two base rookies there for the Chargers. How about a third hit for the Chargers? Look at that, gold gear. That is number to $49. That's a four-color patch of Joey Bosa. That's a crazy part about the Chargers. You can get like four colors. All right, we've got a triple relic coming up, it looks like. Newly minted, Henry Rugs, Jerry Judy, and C.D. Lamb out of $249. So, Raiders, that's going to Tony. Cowboys are going to Jason, and Denver Bronco is going to Matthew, so that'll be a triple relic randomizer. And let's put away this point so no one scans it. The 400 points being given away at the end of the break as well. We've got Utah, Gross Matos. Autograph there for the Carolina Panthers. Carolina Panthers, that is Mike. And we got for the Rams, Cam Acres to $99. EA with the Rams. All right. Next one. Halfway there, guys. All right, $75, you have Randy Moss, or sorry, the $25. Minnesota Vikings. We got A.J. Green to $99. And we got a nice four color patch. Fred Taylor, $21 out of $49. Old school right there. Jacksonville Jaguars, that is going to Jarrell. We got for the Bengals, A.J. Green, white gold. That looks beautiful. The white gold said this should look good. No worries, man. I mean, it's always fun when people chat at least, right? Rather than it should be really, really quiet. Bengals. Colin. You got Cam Acres, newly minted to $225. Relic. Another one here for the Rams. Oh, look at this. Drew Brees. Numbered not, wow. Jersey number nine out of 10, Drew Brees. How about that? Jersey number nine out of 10, Drew Brees. Who has the saints? Aaron does. That is nice. That is very nice. Nice here right there. And then we got to $99. John and Taylor for the Indianapolis Colts. Nice. Indianapolis Colts go to Tom. I've got Tannehill to $75. Eli Manning to $99. Josh Allen, another mother-in-law to $199. For DeBills. Tony. Radis. Gold gear. Josh Jacobs, Tony with that one. You got Antonio Gibson, newly minted Relic out of $49. And wow, is this an autograph? If this is, he's legit going on Good Morning America. Two out of five, Adrian Peterson, 10K gold auto.  Look, he's like legit going to go on Good Morning America right now, or Good Morning Football. What a perfect time. Peterson just coming out right now on Good Morning Football and we just pulled his autograph. What a great timing. And it's a two out of five for the Minnesota Vikings. Going to Tom G. That's funny. And then we got for the Charlines, DeAndre Swift going to Aaron, three color patch and auto. Or sorry, triple relic in auto is what I meant to say. I'm sorry, it's called Washington Football Team, not club. It's thinking of soccer. And then they decided to go Washington Football Team. All right guys, last box, last gold bar. Remember, the next half is in the store. And depending on what happens here in this last box, I think some teams may be taken right away. All right, we've got Big Ben Rothletsberg to 75. Jordan Love to 99. Aaron Jones, little ding right here in the corner.  DJ Moore, Christian McAfrey, nice patches. And again, some of these cards are coming a little ding, guys. See right there at the bottom corner. Newly minted out of 249. Brian Edwards, Henry Ruggs and Lin Bowden Jr. We got Thurman Thomas to 25. Golden age autos for the bills. The last one here is Michael Pittman Jr. And it's very nice out of 49. Nice little patch there. Gold ink, Indianapolis Colts, Tom. And there you go, guys. That was our first pick your team first look at the all new 2020 Panini Gold Center football. This was a six box half case break. Pick your team number one. We got some really, really nice stuff. This Drew Brees jersey number nine out of 10. That was pretty strong. The patch autos look great. Definitely the 10k gold right here, Adrian Peterson. Two out of five was beautiful. And definitely the white gold relics are pretty strong, too, right there. Some good names. No big holder back, though, in this first half. Could be hiding in the second half, guys. I believe the bangles are still available in the next half case break. I know someone's probably gonna jump on the bangles right now. But check it out, guys. Very, very nice stuff. We do have two randomizers to do. One for this triple relic. And then one for 400 points. There's someone's gonna get a little extra right there. So let's switch scenes. And I'm sure someone, I'm pretty sure someone took their bangles already. Let's see where we're at. No, the bangles are still there, guys. Wow. No one's took the bangles. Give them a shot, guys. No Joe Burrow in this first half. So could be in the second half. But let's copy the customer names. Everybody's gonna have a shot at this 400 points. And then we'll use the same dice roller for the triple relic. So here you go. This is where everybody has a shot at. And triple relic, so was Cowboys, Broncos. Let's roll the dice. And a one out of five six times. One, two, three, four, five, and six. Rain is coming out of the top for the triple relic. All right, let's go six times here. One, two, three, four, five, and six. Which I believe had a dolphin. So there you go. 400 points coming your way. Pretty sure you guys, again, this was Pikachu number one. Number two is in the store. And if you guys want to get the next one, go ahead and any other new releases. Two, seven left, and four left in Chrome Jumbo. And three left now in Gold Standard Football, so we can always run one back, guys. Jason here from jazby'scasebreaks.com. Appreciate it, guys.


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