Okay, good afternoon like to open the city of Santa Rosa Cultural Heritage Board meeting April 17th 2024 So miss camp if we could get roll call Thank You chair board member boron board member Carney I'm here Board member fennel It's absent board member Klein Board member Marslyn here vice chair Garrett your chair can't muser here Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member fennel who is absent and Board member Carney who is joining virtually Board member Carney go ahead and make your introductions Hi, I request to attend this meeting remotely under AB 2449 and applying the just cause provision of AB 2449 due to contagious illness I will participate with both audio and video turned on throughout the meeting in this room I am accompanied by no one over the age of 18. Okay. Thank you Glad you could make it and hope you're feeling better Okay, moving on to item 2 approval of the minutes Does anyone have any changes to the March 20th 24 draft minutes and seeing no changes? The March 20th are approved as submitted As camper do we have any public comment on item 2 approval of the minutes? We do have public comment in person I do want to just let the record reflect that due to a board member joining virtually we will be accepting a public comment Via zoom or dial-in as well like to use the overhead projector. Are we ready? All right, my name is Dwayne D. Witt. I'm from Roseland and the reason why I'm here to speak with you today Is because cultural heritage often involves more than just buildings specifically Throughout the history of Santa Rosa Native Americans were involved in this area before we even got here and over in Roseland Pomo people some who lived along the area of Roseland Creek were here hundreds of years before anyone else So this Saturday at 10 o'clock in the morning over in Roseland We're doing a Roseland Creek cleanup And we've been doing this for 25 years 24 years ago mayor mark Mike martini came out to visit with us stayed for an hour or two and talked about the efforts to preserve the creek and an oak woodland nearby and other good things we were working on so Up until last year. No other governmental official came to us on any of these days. We do a Creek cleanup on Earth Day, and we do one on make a difference day in October but last year we were fortunate to have the mayor of Santa Rosa Natalie Rogers and District one representative council member Eddie Alvarez. They both came for a few moments They said and liked the effort so much. They stayed for a full two hours before they left They got a chance to see this beautiful area I also bring this up because at the time that this was being purchased by the Ag and open space district six acres to the south of the creek and It was needed to the city of Santa Rosa. There was a discussion. There would be a bikeway in a greenway There was a house on that property and then another property that was purchased most recently by the city outright with Ag and open space helping again Had some other historical houses. They'd actually been called out in the 19 94 southwest area plan as cultural resources But unfortunately the assistant city manager here for Santa Rosa didn't take that into account and went ahead and had them demolished and We were thinking they'd be saved like over where there's a community clubhouse at Doyle Park or there's a house up at Howard Park that was also saved and yet. They wouldn't save the ones over on the west side of Santa Rosa It was disturbing to some I Said don't give up. Let's keep trying to make sure and get every Board and commission in this city to understand that the Roseland area is a valuable cultural resource For the entire city and we hope that perhaps you can come out there Saturday morning at 10 o'clock and see this beautiful area and get a chance to look into your own view of how Creation care goes into account for cultural resources and cultural heritage. Thank you Thank you, Mr. To it. We have any other public comment Looks like we don't have any in the room if you are on zoom and you would like to make a public comment Please raise your hand Well, we're taking public comment for non-agenda manner matters at the moment and seeing we have no raised hands on zoom Chair Muser, I think we're good with public comment Okay, thank you Actually, we were taking public comment on the minutes the draft minutes, but now Now we'll move on to item 3 which is Public comment so and now we are taking public comments on item 3 non-agenda matters This is the time when any person may address the board on manners not listed on the agenda But which are within the subject matter and jurisdiction of the committee recording secretary Can you please provide instruction for a public comment and? Thank you chair if you are in chambers and wish to make a comment Please make your way to the podium if you are on zoom and wish to make a comment Please raise your hand you will have three minutes for your comment an account on timer will alert you at the conclusion of that period We have no public comment here Okay, it's saying none. We will close public comment for item 3 I'm for a board business statement of purpose Principal duties of the board include undertaking and updating historic inventories or surveys recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings and promoting public awareness of preservation issues Moving on to item 4.2 board member reports. Do any of our board members have anything they'd like to report at this time? saying none close 4.2 4.3 other business so each year the vice chair is elected by The fellow board members of all the boards in the city's cultural heritage board included The chair just for new board members Which I'm currently serving is appointed by the mayor and typically last Along with the mayor's term So when the mayor is no longer mayor than the new mayor will select one of the board members to be the chair so tonight is time for us to nominate and select another vice chair so at So at this time, I'd like to Open up nominations if any of the board members would like to nominate a vice chair to the cultural heritage board. I would I'm like to nominate Patrick Carney for vice chair Patrick you're good with that Yes, of course Okay, and would we have a second for that nomination? second And we had a very eager second for that with a nomination by Chair Marshal in and a second by vice chair Garrett Miss Kemper if we could call for a vote Thank You chair a board member boron board member Carney board member Carney I'm sorry. Yes. I Board member fennel who was absent board member Klein I Board member Marslyn I vice chair Garrett chair Muser I so it sounds like it passes with six eyes and With board member fennel being absent a moving on to item five department reports Michelle's I know you're stepping in for Miss Murray, but do you have anything you'd like to report? Thank You chair me as our members of the board I'm Jessica Jones deputy director of planning and yes, I miss Murray is out sick. So I am stepping in for her So I appreciate your Having me here today Just wanted to let the board know that The chair is aware of this, but we do have a conflict with this room today. There is a 6 p.m. School city school board meeting and so we do need to conclude this meeting by 5 30 5 45 at the latest That's all. Okay. Thank you miss Jones Statement of abstentions so tonight our items. We're not taking action. We're just making recommendations So I don't believe that anybody but if somebody feels they need to abstain or recuse themselves This would be the time Consent items we have none So now this moves us on to our scheduled item. So our first scheduled item At the request of the cultural heritage board this item has been added to the agenda to review the historic resource survey report Completed for Fremont Park and provide input on the opportunities and priorities for updating the master plan for the park and Our presentation tonight is going to be given by Mr. Scott Wilkinson who's a parks planner, so we'll turn this over to you. Mr. Wilkinson So could I have fun? Who can I do? I'm over here. What can I do? When can I do a public? Oh? You you will after After the Mr. Wilkinson and also any of the consultants he has what makes their presentation I will open it up to a public comment and we'll we'll get you on Thank You chair music members of the board. It's great to be here today We've got just a couple of technical Things we're going to be working through we do have our one of our consultants zooming in and trying to participate as a Panelist here for the presentation I also have with me Eleanor Cox from MIG MIG who provided the research and and Developed the historic resource survey that we've presented and we're going to be reviewing with you today, so We're excited to be here it's been over a year since we were in front of you for this project and When we were we were discussing the merits of the historical Significance of the Fremont Park and Whether or not it was eligible for a landmark status and Also looking at our investigation into renewing and re-envisioning the park for the current to meet the needs of the current community and And It was decided that For both of those efforts Whether whether special status landmark status was in fact going to be sought and to better understand The context going forward with the master plan To re-envision the park that a historical Survey Historical study was in fact Needed so we are pleased to Bring that to you for your review today And we will be providing the results of that whereby recommendations are also around how to Treat some of the character defining elements on on the site as well as like I say Allowing us to move forward with our re-envisioning and master planning process to add elements to really make the park safer and make it more activated and Welcoming for the community so With that I would like to turn it over to Eleanor who is going to sort of walk you through the presentation and we'll be able to answer any questions you have following So we need to step and And miss was it forgive me for clarifying but Eleanor did the historic survey is that correct? Okay. Thank you Thank you. Hi My name is Eleanor Cox. I am a historian. I work with a firm named mig or mig We I work within a group at that firm that specializes in cultural landscape preservation design and treatment and Our understanding is that a few years ago a master planning effort was put forward for Fremont Park at then during that process some questions were raised about the historic status of The park and some of its features within and so an RFP was released by the city We responded and were selected to produce a historic resource study Can you all see the presentation that I'm looking at? Okay There's another Person who's zoomed in today Gia Wilson and David Meyer there with MSLA It's a the design firm that did the original concepts and who we've provided our report for But I'm going to go over the findings of the report first and then I'll hand it off to Gia and David to talk a little bit about how they're going to extract that into the master planning process in overview We looked at the entirety of Fremont Park We Visited the site documented the features and then compared them to historical research in order to Evaluate it under the criteria of both the California and the national registers At the end of the report we provided a little bit of treatment guidance on preservation approach a couple of different approaches the design could Take and highlighted some constraints and some opportunities within the park in terms of research We reviewed historic documents that were provided to us by the city including the original plan put forward by Howard Gilkey We looked at contemporaneous Newspaper articles we reviewed other articles that had been written in the Historical Society newsletter and We reviewed the arborist report which documented existing trees and shrubs within the park We then teased out some of our research into a series of historic Contexts for Fremont Park our understanding is that although it had been flagged previously as a potential resource Nobody had really looked at it and done the analysis yet to evaluate it for historic significance so we sort of started at the beginning we looked at the foundation the Establishment of Santa Rosa. We looked at the establishment of Santa Rosa's parks system and parks Commission And then we looked at the establishment and the design of the park itself and its connection with Howard Gilkey We also compared the local context to national trends that were occurring at the time Just a glance at Howard Gilkey's plan was very it was very clear that he was inspired by both the city beautiful movement and Bozart's design and so we included brief summaries of those movements and later connect them to the design in our analysis We also did a as detailed as we could site chronology. We looked we tried to identify original plantings We tried to identify the original build-out of the park What was constructed? What wasn't from Howard Gilkey's original concept? We reviewed historic photos again the newspaper research was very helpful in this it helped us Established, you know a period of significance during which the original design was implemented and then we looked at Howard Gilkey himself This was a landscape architect who I was not very familiar with before this project But he's a bit of a local son if you will he Went to high school here in Santa Rosa an apprentice with Luther Burbank before he went to the East Bay and both Educated himself and then later taught at UC Berkeley and so I think I learned a lot about this person and I think I Think our report gives him some flowers if you will because landscape architects aren't always Highlighted in the preservation field as our and neither our parks. So I thought it was um This was probably my favorite part of the project was learning about him and looking at some of his other designs in the Bay Area and then After we had teased out all of those contexts. We inventoryed the existing conditions So this is where the photo documentation that we did during the site visit became really important We tried to connect what's there now to what we had determined was there historically and we identified changes over time And we identified those features that convey its original design intent. I Believe that MSLA is going to go into a little bit more detail about those features that we identified So before I hand this off to them I'm just going to summarize the findings of the report the conclusions, which is that Fremont Park is Historically eligible for listing in the state and national registers It is historically significant under criterion a1 and c3 both for its role in city planning here in Santa Rosa and It's association with the establishment of a park system and then also for its both arts inspired design And as the work of a local master as Howard Gilke he had he was inspired by these National trends in design, but he had his own vernacular, which you can really see in this park He used regional plant palette, which was quite forward for that time. I think so so it's it's The work of a master in addition to being representative of these national design trends and we identified a period of significance the design was conceived in 1929 and we ended that this period of significance in 1931 which is when we determined that the fountain was installed So we thought that that was a good period in which to end the original construction It was when all of the major features had been implemented per the Original design intent some things were added later Particularly plant materials and they followed to some extent the original design But that first three-year period is really when the park that we determined to be significant was built We also walked through an analysis of integrity using the seven aspects of integrity that the National Park Service and the Secretary the Interior have identified and determined that the park has enough of its original character intact to convey that early significance And I believe at this point. I'm gonna hand the presentation over to Gia and or David and they will talk a little bit about some of those features that we teased out in the historical report Thank You Eleanor. My name is Gia Wilson. I'm a designer at MSLA and I'll be presenting to you Continuing the presentation of MIT summary of the historical report by going over the reports definitions of character defining features David did you also want to introduce yourself? Yes, I'm here. They've been wire. I am the founder of my studio land architects and my kill key. I also currently Teach with me see Britain. So local connection Great so starting with character defining features We want to start with the central axis the strong north south Access is one of the most prominent features of the park linked by symmetrical plantings on both sides The axis opens up to a lily pond and a cascading fountain at the center of the oval plaza Extends all the way to create a northern pedestrian entrance to the park. Yeah, I think I'm yeah I'm driving. So if you want me to say next slide when you're ready. Okay next slide a Secondary running eat a secondary axis running east west forming forms The east side of the entrance to the park and is framed by two arbors that terminates at the west side of the trellis of the plaza Next slide The stone found cascades to the pond below surrounded by brick and stone edging The fountain featuring the stone head of the ram also has signage for the park seen from the northern entrance of the park next slide The tertiary pathways Sorry symmetrical plantings Symmetrical plantings of use enhance the axis but also disrupt visual connection across the park next slide Tertiary walk pathways split connect and render throughout the park forming an alternative route of circulation next slide The red brick edging acts as a transition element separating the paved walkways from the lawn next slide Large specimen trees and a grove of redwood trees are interspersed on the lawn, which is further divided by the axes in the walkways next slide Modernet magnolias, chinese alms, american alms and deodor cedars form part of the specimen trees that provide shade to visitors during warm sunny days next slide The dense redwood grove forms The west edge of the park and the redwood stand and specimen trees are both character defining features next slide So as you can see this is a summary of all of the character defining features as defined by mig's historical reports including the central axis secondary axis lily pool and fountain Symmetrical plantings tertiary walkways brick edging open lawns scattered specimen trees and the redwood stand next slide So Fremont park significance lies with its association with santa rosa parks and recreation as well as its demonstration of the bozarts designed by gilkey Because of this criteria d3 in the national and california registers of historic places It's strongly applicable to Fremont park next slide Based on the findings of the historical report and the city's vision of the future of Fremont park The rehabilitation approach was selected among treatment options And according to mig's report the rehab treatment advises flexibility and the maintenance of its historic essence of the site while Allowing improvements for ongoing and future use next slide So opportunities to rehabilitate The following intervention interventions are recommended by mig but are definitely not limited To improving areas that have been altered outside the period of significance like the magnolia trees Or the memorial boulders in the southeast corner of the park or the trees in the eastern planter in the secondary axis another another Opportunity for rehabilitation is activating passive park areas like the redwood stand and repurposing the fountain Next slide So we are aiming to have a read to Enact a rehabilitation treatment that would result in a design that clearly reflects skill keys bozarts inspired design concept Uses a plant pilot compatible with historic plant list retains or reinterprets most of the park's character defining features Specifies a new but compatible surfacing material Proposes installation of compatible new active park uses End features and contemporary site finishings including benches, lights, trash bins and signages Uh next thank you Uh so our master plan priorities We also wanted to remind every one of them are to preserve historic integrity promote safety And activate the park for modern use next slide We also wanted to Go over our previous a previous summary of our outreach and design next slide Our previous community surveys that included input from over 200 community members stated safety as their primary design concern Namely friendly recreational areas that lead to community activation follow after with considerably lesser emphasis on keeping the park as it is currently Seeding areas walking past pollinator gardens and play elements leave the pole for features that would enhance the character female park Within the play elements the community opted for ping pong tables and areas to plague chairs with a strong inclination to avoid major sports activities Natural play climbing features and swings for children seem to gain more popularity in order to make this park more family friendly Next slide Like uh, we also wanted to go over some opportunities that align with our master plan priorities next slide We carried forward these valuable inputs and observations from previous design and community meetings for our current process We plan on integrating seating areas walking paths and open lawns And we also took into account the community that the community also showed a preference for paths to sports and gaming features like table tennis and chess uh next slide Natural play and climbing areas along with swings align with the community's desires to activate the park in an inviting manner And design features like the central plaza and central access along with seating platforms would further integrate circulation with species for gathering next slide We also aim to maintain existing trees that are historically significant and in good health as a part of our planting agenda Historical features that convey the design intent of Howard Gilkey like the red brick edging We hope to rehabilitate and restore to its former glory Other aspects like tertiary pathways. We are planning on modifying and alignment with the Beaux Arts nature of the park At the end of our last community meeting there was a common consensus to redesign the park given its current condition As per MIG's recommendation of the rehab approach, we believe that we will be able to meet the community's desires while also retaining the historic nature of the park Next slide We wanted to uh present to you guys some Case studies uh successful rehabilitations of historic parks have been done in the past Today we would like to present to you Franklin Park originally created in 1832 Franklin Park is another historical urban park And this one is located in Washington, DC Next park Poor tree health lack of universal access to terrarium path pest infestations and compacted soils led to a general concern about safety and maintenance of Franklin Park So olden studio and David Rubin land collective were contracted to rehabilitate the park Next slide Through community and stakeholder meetings the design team behind Franklin Park was able to take To bring a new take on the park incorporating updated furnishings planting and programming The team modified the original footprint of the park to improve circulation and programming As you can see from the plans here simple improvements to the original footprint of the park can still respect the original geometry And breathe new life into the community space Next slide Today Franklin Park is a vibrant hub for the community the design team introduced more family friendly programming and addressed community concerns about Accessibility pests and safety leading to the creation of a welcoming park for all Next slide Another success story we would like to highlight is Bryant Park in New York City Next slide Like many historic parks Bryant Park had fallen into disrepair and the community had many concerns regarding safety in the park Next slide While Bryant Park had undergone multiple renovations throughout the years It wasn't until olden's master plan in the early 90s that Bryant Park started to see change As you can see through these images the profile and organization of Bryant Park has undergone some major changes throughout the years Not shown was it stints as a crystal palace for the world's fair a reservoir a cons the construction storage area Olin's rehabilitation included additions of movable furniture adding further programming like movie nights in A cafe salt to attract visitors as well as improving sightlands to up the park to increase safety Next slide After Olin's rehabilitation of the park it became a vibrant urban gem that sees thousands of people every day In our rehabilitation of remote park We hope to follow the footsteps of other great green spaces like Franklin Park and Bryant Park To cater recreational area that serves the modern community while also respecting its historic roots And yes, thank you Thank you. Gia and David and Eleanor for that presentation. Um So you could see from the work that was done that quite a bit of Research was done in terms of the background of the park and then we we were really excited to share a couple of these successful Examples that have been done obviously in other parts of the country but kind of analogous to what we we hope to do do here and In terms of preserving, you know the the elements The the real strong character defining elements of the park and and retaining and or reinterpreting them in a way that can really Create something special for for our community here today in Santa Rosa. So With with that we would love to hear your input and Any ideas you have going forward, but the hope is that We can get some Good feedback on this strategy this approach and then our plan is to re-engage the community In the design process going forward very very shortly this summer Thank you very much and thanks for the great presentation and the I thought that historic report was excellent. I I actually read the whole thing so I would like to if it's okay Kind of go a little out of order and open up public comment at this time because I think we have somebody who's probably Needs to be somewhere else and I want to definitely hear from them and Before we open up board comments. So Ms camp if we could open public comment Great. Thank you. Thank you very very much. I'm jane bender and I think I know some of you I'm here actually representing a lot of volunteers because Quite a few years ago. We did restore the park We had the the fountain going we had the waterfall going We had found the quarry with the original rock that replaced the damages in the In the fountain and in the The bed the garden area And even for the the sign the monument sign out on the street We did it Because the park was just beautiful when we got done with it but unfortunately It has come under disarray. So I was just over there and it doesn't look at all like it did 20 years ago when we put it together But you need to know that there were 30 000 dollars raised that was put into the park A lot of people who had had cancer came to put that together um, I don't think we're attached to where the The sculpture would go if it would even go in that park now um It was not an original Sculpture of course, which we got a little Rashed back of flashback from some of the artists because it wasn't original or local art But it was put together by the block foundation and um, I think it communicates The hopefulness of the cancer disease so anyway We would love to see it brought back To its original form. It was a beautiful park and that That visualizing of the fountain coming down into the the pond and with the fountain Flowing up was just beautiful. So I really hope that you can do it and I appreciate all the work you've done in it But I just wanted you to know and so did the others who worked with it that The stone that's in there. It was the original from the original quarry. So that's You don't have to mess with that one So if there's anything, you know, I can do or ellen bailey or bill Montgomery We were all very active in putting that together and we would be happy to work with you in any way we can and thank you for all your work on it and um It'd be great to see I'd keep it. It's the entrance way to our downtown And that's really really critical That we tell the people coming into the downtown. We revere our history And we love our parks Thank you miss bender. I'm so happy you showed up tonight I've I've been wondering what your comments would be on this because I do remember when When that was done and uh, and how nice it it turned out. So thank you Yeah, I'm sorry. I kept budding in but I didn't know quite where I I was supposed to speak and I wanted to make sure I was heard not for me but for the People who worked on that park and for bill and ellen too Any other public comment? I'm I'm sorry. I'm I'll be more than happy to Be happy to reopen the public comment at that time If there's no other public comment at this time, I'll close the public comment And I'll turn it back to the board for Questions clarifications to either Our consultants or our planner You know, I do have a question. I I know that you know, jane and and uh The rest of the committee did a really nice job. I lived in the neighborhood and remember that and I'm just wondering Why did it become so Bad, I mean who was responsible for maintaining that it seems to me a lot of money was spent a lot of effort was made and And it's in the condition it's in today welcome That's a great question. I I can absolutely appreciate that Maintenance is one thing. I think there are many other factors that have sort of gone into It's fallen into the state of repair that it's in right now and and and and you know part partly One of those factors is actually has to do with Some of the fact that the vegetation is a bit overgrown. It has become a place that has attracted folks To hang out during the day Because of visibility has been limited into the interior of the site So that's been a factor The The surfaces a lot of the the structures there Just haven't been replaced in in in decades, you know So it the time is is is due for it to be upgraded In a significant way And that's why we're really looking at a at a wholesale renovation of the park and want to make sure that we Do it in the best way possible going forward. So Thank you I do have a question Is there regular maintenance of that of freemont park? Absolutely, there is regular maintenance I'm not going to be able to tell you what the the the regime is for for that Maintenance right now. But yes, we it is it is part of our our regular Schedule of maintenance there to maintain it at a certain level.  And so That has definitely had an impact as well And do you have any idea how often you have an arborist in there to You know from the use limb up the redwoods Um Not regularly at all with an arborist. No, um, most of the uh maintenance is uh performed by our our maintenance crews Park's maintenance crews. Yeah, we did have an arborist evaluation as part of this project and um The the their report is attached to the to the report that you might have seen at the back there Thank you The plan would be then to just relance scape is is what i'm hearing So it would be a total different Plants would be in a different spot and The paths would be repaved. Is that what the what's In line for that Yes, we we're very much um looking at uh the site as a whole to um Re re re landscape replace pathway surfaces um paving Planting irrigation system lighting and and and and and the whole um look and feel of the place With the idea of the strategy and involved of rehabilitation given given it's the historic nature and our desire to Work within that But but still Bring in the desire that we heard from the community during our first round of outreach which was um Quite a robust in terms of of a feedback around adding elements that would provide Features for families for kids to really activate the site In the in the way of picnic areas and seating areas as well as a play area Um, so that's one of the things that the rehabilitation strategy does allow for is the implementation or introduction of Of new uses as long as they are compatible With the historic nature of the park and that we are Really working within um some of those big character defining elements Such as the the the overall layout and framework of the the path network and spatial organization So you would keep the central pathway with the trees on each side and then The recreational things would be often other areas What about the sculpture can it go? Yes It can go. We have actually had conversations. Um, uh, miss bender Reference the block foundation that donated the the sculpture originally I've been in contact with with the foundation and they are amenable to it going away and would actually Help us remove it and um Take it back to their sculpture headquarters and Possibly repurpose some of the parts because as it was mentioned It is in fact not an original piece of art it is something that they've reproduced and Set up in and uh numerous other locations around the country, so I've got a few comments. I I know I sent you a kind of a late correspondence. I I don't know if you got Got it, but Anyway, um kind of specific questions to the um the historic report On as far as the character defining features Um Will the new design retain those character defining features And if not if the features are Will they be eliminated or changed to a degree That um, they're no longer a feature And therefore the park is no longer eligible for national or state Registry in other words, um Are you going to keep those character defining features intact enough so that the national and state registry Remains intact or the possibility for that remains intact or Will they be changed to a degree that our park is no longer historic? Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to um Let uh, uh, miss cox jump in on this But yes, that that is that is our our our goal is to work within the the the the strategy of the rehabilitation considerations to to to do that that That's not necessarily our charge right now. We're we are really interested in in the design And um, but we don't want to preclude or do anything that will would knock us off of that course Yeah, I think that's correct. Uh, the goal as I understand it of the current project planning is to meet the secretary of the interior standards, which would protect the park's eligibility as a State or national resource Uh, I don't think that means that There isn't some room for alterations or modifications to the list of character defining features But I think it it will use them as a framework for planning Uh, so there will be references to the features and wherever possible. They'll be retained repaired or rehabilitated I think some conditions have changed like climate which may just You know, which the design may respond to um With regards to treatment considerations um The secretary of the interior standards For rehabilitation and restoration. Will those standards be followed? I believe that's the goal. Yes currently and we presented two different sets of standards as Good fits for this particular park in the report And in conversations with the city and with the design team Uh, I believe they are leaning towards the rehabilitation approach Specifically to build in a little bit more of that active use So, um with that then what is the current status of the design process? And in particular, I know we had what three or four previous, you know designs Are any of those still on the table or are we starting with a blank sheet of paper or are we with the design? Yeah, great question. Uh, we we we did present four schemes that were um, you know Really taking a deep look at re re envisioning the park and through this process We've we've we've greatly retooled that The scope of that inquiry so that yeah, we we are looking at a new A fresh start at the design At this point going forward and we've been working on a few things with meyer studio landscape architects who are joining us remotely david and gia and But we wanted to run by first off, you know the the the report with you and then also the the basic strategy and the the recommendation to follow the rehabilitation standards that We hope will give us the flexibility to You know meet the needs of the community while also preserving the likely the possibility for Uh Listing the the park property uh down the road David or gia, uh Feel free to jump in here I know that we are a little bit short on time here with another meeting coming in behind us But please if you have anything to share with regard to the design at this point Well, I would say generally uh, Stephen Scott and uh others that you know, we're we really kind of Are intrigued and and love the guilty design on personally of those art stands. So I think as we move forward, we got a great opportunity to integrate a lot of the historic defining features With open arms and so we're looking forward about we are currently looking at studies that We'll be taking going out to the community soon. So soon. We'll have some ideas to share Okay, thank you. And uh, so I guess my first recommendation for the night back to you will be when you get your design Draft put together if you would please bring it back to us At that time, I would give us a chance to review that I guess and and I don't mean to set to to put you on the spot or anything, but I'm just kind of curious What do you feel your role and responsibility is as recreation and parks for the preservation of Historic sites and And cultural historic sites Yeah, I I I think we don't take it lightly at all. We're blessed with some really wonderful historic sites here in town and and and this is one of them That I personally Didn't realize Had as a rich of history as it in fact Does so I I see it as a real great opportunity to you know, celebrate that but and also You know work with the community to to enliven it to to Create a couple of additional uses there that Can bring positive activity downtown someone mentioned it's sort of a gateway to the downtown Zone and and the expansion of the downtown experience there along fourth street. So I just think that we have a really great opportunity to try to try to do both of those things it it presents a bigger A different type of a design challenge. I think then we Endeavored to to at the start of things when we when we came out with the the designs that We did initially so we're we're retooling and And I think that this this presents a real neat opportunity for us to move forward and create something pretty wonderful Thank you. Yes You know both the national park service and the california state park service has preservation The word preservation firmly in their mission statements city of san jose does not and I guess My concern is is And maybe it's an unfounded concern, but that institutionally The recreation of parks department has never seen themselves as an entity for the preservation of resources rather than The replacement of resources as as needed. So I would just like to kind of plant that seed that Because with our historic neighborhoods if we had a historic house and That was to be preserved we would We would fight as a board for that house to be preserved and not to be changed to the point that it's no longer a historic house Once that park is gone that park is gone once once the fountain is gone once the cascading effect It's not coming back and if it's changed so much that it's not even recognizable anymore might as well be gone As well. So Anyway, and that's the function of this board. That's that's why we're here or that's our holes is to preserve the historic and cultural Features of the city of santa rosa Any other questions or comments what I kind of like to do is I'll open it to public comment and then I'm going to come back for any final recommendations To mr. Wilkinson Regarding a project Okay, so with that Miss camp if we can open public comment period If you are in council chambers and wish to make a comment on our item Please make your way to the podium if you are on zoom and would like to make a comment Please raise your hand and you'll get called accordingly And we have our public comment Are you ready? Give me that clock so I know I go by the rules We ready Hello, my name is dwayne d. Witte. I'm from roseland Thank you for all the good comments. Thank you for all the information Santa rosa has admitted that it faces a structural financial Deficit for the next four to five years So first and foremost, I would like you folks to pursue the historic recognition For both under the state and the federal preservation Guidelines make sure that that's in place so that we don't go about trying to fix things that might not be broke Also, one of the reasons why that park has become a bit Problematic is because of the lack of management and maintenance first and foremost So if we can bring that back in this is a Very nice park still It's been said that the uh sculpture can be moved and jane bender who would help to get that sculpture there is comfortable with that So let's take that out Over 60 years ago as a boy. I used to play in the water features at that park So I know it really well And I do believe that we need to keep as many of those original features as they were Just get them back up to top line And have the parks and recreation department Be there to make sure that they are maintained at that this morning The city of santa rosa was having its rainwater Or its uh water conservation committee subcommittee. It was at 130 actually And they were talking about the need for Resiliency Rainwater harvesting could be done at this place if done correctly for sustainability I should point out that in 2008 16 years ago I got a masters in landscape architecture from the united excuse me again university of california at berkeley Where mr. Gilkey is from So I know these things in many ways and I know that low impact development could be due It could be doing so many good things there at this park if we take this on a slower approach and also Bring in hewfew trell and his money from across the street with his nice large seven-story building there now And those park impact fees that come from that type of activity Make sure that we get this worked out with him because He's probably advocating to make sure that the kids that are going to live in his building have a place to go use swings And things of that nature So don't ruin the park that we have Make it better Make it nice for those three and four year olds to go play there like I did 60 years ago And this could be something for them 60 years in the future to bring their grandkids out there and have a really good time So let's look into rainwater harvesting and those water features And do it in such a way that we can also Do sustainability for the underground water there an excellent example was shown today at that Water conservation subcommittee meetings. So please check with them. Thank you very much for your time and all the best to you in the future on this Thank you, mr. Toit Have anyone else who would like to speak this time If you're in council chambers and wish to make a comment on the item, please make your way to the podium Seeing as we have no one making their way to the podium and we have no one on zoom We've no public comment Okay, so close to public comment period and um Mr. Carney See up there on the screen and I don't mean to uh have Ignored you but I might give you an opportunity. Do you have any questions or comments? this time Yeah, sure. Um, thank you all for the presentation Uh, I thought the report was excellent as well. I um Support the listing of this park on on both registers national and california Um, I also support the rehabilitation treatment of the park Um As long as we can keep as long as many of those character defining features That exist today I would think that one of the most important character defining features is that cascading fountain It seems that a lot of the member of the public and um members of board touch on that and I noticed there's um A portion of the report that talks about removing or reducing the water flow and that and And trying to to repurpose that and that would continue to convey as a stark feature I I don't know what that would be. Um, it seems like It as a fountain is what it Makes it what it is, but um, I'm interested to see what that could be but uh I think a lot of people like that water feature Obviously, I know there's climate and and and water concerns, but uh, that that would be um One of the most important features. I think That's all Thank you board. Senator carney Any other um comments recommendations or staff? Um, thank you. I agree with chair muser that the important and with um um I'm sorry patrick That the importance is that we get on the california register and the National register and that we maintain the um As much of the basic original design as we can that Includes the landscaping portion as well as the hardscape. So the obviously the fountain and the arbors I'll come under the hardscape Also the access and the pathways I've lived in the neighborhood for nearly 50 years. Sorry 50 years my kids played in that fountain as well And it's a wonderful park The biggest problem is it isn't maintained. It's dirty. There are homeless people in there. They're people doing drugs and um I Would like to see it stay green. I think that um It's it's this beautiful oasis on a long busy street And there are very few of those green spaces and I think we should celebrate the few we have left So thank you, and I appreciate your presentation, and I really thought the report was excellent. Thank you um So I I have just a couple of of comments or recommendations is um, I really support The character defining features And I would ask that those character defining features Don't get changed to a degree that they're no longer character defining features um And I guess the hard thing I'm I'm Having a hard time getting my head around is we've got a downtown station area plan historic report That basically says the park should be a landmark historic landmark And we have a historic report That your department did that basically said not only should be a local landmark. It also should be a national and a state landmark and I don't understand why it it seems like And hopefully maybe we are but it seems like we should all be on the same page the cultural heritage board the city of san Arosa and the city of san arosa parks and recreation department Basically saying this is an important spot in our city And it shouldn't be changed to a degree that is no longer a historic site So, um, I look forward to a plan You know draft coming back to us That shows that it can be both and I do believe I've said all along from the beginning that I do believe that we can accomplish both. I think we can still keep it within its character finding elements and I think Also the primary ones are that cascading fountain the pond and that Linear entrance coming in and I know one of the recommendations may be replacing the use With some other type of vegetation, but still keeping that that same style And I know law enforcement is concerned about having sightage through the park being able to see but possibly Maybe like at juliard park they can drive through juliard park Maybe there's a way that there could be a path design that The law enforcement could drive through the park and still you know instead of sitting in their car at the curb and having to You know moonscape the park so that they can see across it So those are probably and then um And then following the secretary of the interiors recommendations for precipitation And for preservation and such so and really just putting you know I would hope that when it came back to us We could see that there was an intent of preservation of the park rather than A removal of all the features because I think the first thing that we saw the first four Was basically an elimination of its historic intent any any final comments from Mr. Wilkson or Our consultants No, I think I I I really appreciate all the comments Chair Muser and the board gives us a lot of good food for thought My great hope is that that we can and will be on the same page going forward. So I think that there's there's room to To do both and we'll look at these The details of the design will be where Where the real fun will be had in terms of you know Seeing how we can Accommodate the new uses and attend to The safety concerns the the the environmental concerns with Drought drought tolerant Water saving Elements and also make it a place that celebrates the history So thank you and we look forward to further conversation Okay, thank you very much A great presentation by all. Thank you very much for taking the time and I will acknowledge I know you didn't have to do this And I do appreciate that you did do this you could have just You know gone straight to the city council and not Delt with us at all and and I do appreciate that Okay with that and not saying any other items On our agenda I'll call this meeting adjourned Recording in progress Now reconvening the uh april 17th special board meeting of saturday city schools board If you would all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance Thank you We will now move on to Let's see Report of actions taken in closed session. There were no actions taken in closed session So with that we'll move on to public comment on agenda items only if you have a comment to make Please make sure you submit a blue card I will be calling out your names and you will have three minutes First we have um, I'll go with Dwayne followed by Catherine I guess you got to put a timer up there so we know I'm on three. My name is Dwayne D. Witt I'm from roseland, but a proud graduate of the santa rosa school system Cook junior high santa rosa high school I'm here to Point out that it's a good thing to have the graduation requirement waivers And the reason why is there's a number of young people who may not Fit all of the specific requirements, but they need to get on with life many youngsters For whatever reasons at 15 16 17 They may already be starting families They may already be working And out there struggling to keep themselves housed and doing different things of that nature When I was young It worked out that they called them a social promotion You got to go to the next class no matter what your situation was because they wanted you to be throughput Get on go forward graduate That's not such a bad idea For young people, especially if they're having to work santa rosa high school had a nice work experience program, which I started in as a junior And I was living on my own as a senior paying my way through And I couldn't do math very well I learned it after I got out of high school


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Well, let me give you this example. Probably the most, the component of 21st Century Sailor Marine that's received the most attention is the introduction of alcohol detection devices across the fleet. And I appreciate this opportunity to explain the rationale, how we got there, how it's going to work going forward. We know that the lone common denominator across all of our most pressing personnel problems, sexual assault, suicide, personal safety, is one thing. And that's the misuse of alcohol. Now, I always start this by saying that especially 10 years into this longer sustained combat operations in American history, if relaxing with alcohol is your way to blow off steam and you can do so legally, responsibly, and be ready to go on Monday morning, then no one in your chain of command has any problem with that. You write it. But to ignore the statistics that we see come across our desk every day, the fact that 40% of the suicides that we are able to assess involved alcohol, that we're still averaging about 19 DUIs a month across the Navy side, a little bit higher on the Marine Corps side, that the correlation between sexual assault and alcohol is almost direct. We knew that it would be irresponsible to ignore this dynamic. So in the same way that we changed a culture of drug use throughout the 80s with the introduction of random-year analysis tests, that took us from a 27% figure of personnel who had an illicit drug in their systems in the previous 30 days to today's figure about .01%, complete change of culture. We wanted to find a dramatic tool to help us with this. Now, ADD will work a little bit different. It's designed to be an education tool, a training tool to help Navy leaders do what they do best, to lead, to step in and be able to recognize that, hey, Garcia has been late twice this month and he blew a .04 on his duty day. I wonder if something's going on at home that I can get involved with and help prevent and stave off a career debilitating incident or, God forbid, a life debilitating incident. So it will be ADD, the alcohol detection devices, which are on their way to every command in the Navy and will be operational fleet-wide by May of this year. It will be used by folks reporting for duty or in a duty section. It's not a liberty tool. It's not an end-strength reduction strategy. It's ensuring that when you go to work and work on reactors and the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen, you'll know that the shipmate working next to you is safe, is ready, and is prepared to carry his share of the load as well.


in that case, you don't have to do any math. All you have to do is read all of the shards, the original shards, and assemble them and send them back to the client. However, there's still a little bit more latency involved with this because since all of the shards are split across multiple OSDs, the first OSD that you ask for the block is going to have to request all of those shards. It's going to do this over the backside network and then it's going to assemble all of those shards and then it's going to send them back to the client. So this is a higher latency operation because you've got to go to one OSD, the OSD has to ask for the others and then it's got to come back to the client. So you're going to have less total read speed in addition to that because you're doing more smaller reads versus one large read, right? So for a replicated pool, you just read the block directly from one OSD and you're done. Here you have to read it from multiple and you're doing smaller reads. So the question is, you don't have any master metadata, something telling the client where all the data is. That's right. So all of the storage profiles whether it's erasure coding or whether it's triple or whether it's replicated are all handled by the cluster itself. The client has no knowledge necessarily of what a storage profile is. So you don't need to know. Yeah, it's all handled on the cluster side. Erasure code, recovery. So this is the worst case, right? This is where we have to do all of the math or math. So if some of the K shards have been lost they need to be regenerated. They need to be recovered, right? And they need to do this. They need to be recovered using the remaining K shards that still exist. And then also the M shards that have been generated, the parity data. So this involves inverting some matrices and doing multiplication. So this is a computationally expensive thing. And there's two cases where you're going to end up in this worst case. So that's recovery, right? So what recovery is is where the cluster has determined that a hard drive is bad. So you've lost a couple of shards or one shard in that case. Maybe you've lost a server, you've lost data there. It's going to go into recovery and it's going to do recovery on its own. So what it's going to have to do there is it's going to have to recompute the missing shards and then it's going to have to restore those shards and move them somewhere else to good hard drives. The other case is reading from a degraded placement group. So that is one that's in process of recovery. So it'll handle recovery automatically but if you try to read something that's being recovered well now you're going to have to do this extra work additionally here too. So again, I mean recovery it's just something you have to deal with. The best case is not the ideal case. It's a statistically small amount of the time or smaller amount of the time. But it's something that's going to have to happen. But with the ratio coding you have, did you have a question? Yes, the sharding, is it done based on the device cross-course size for each of these separately or is it a global value that shards should be of size actually? Yes, the question is how are the shards, what's the shard size computed? So I don't know for sure the answer based on what you said, but for each block, for each thing that's stored it's split up K different ways, whatever your K is, however you've configured it. That's what we're going to talk about here. The question is, I think your question comes into like if you have a block of a certain size is it going to be split into multiple logical blocks and then sharded? I don't exactly know the answer to that. I want to say no. And also because of the different types of storage, physical storage, this will have different max cross-course size. So if you shard bigger than the maximum lowest possible way of transporting it to the controller, then you have more chances of having to do it with the coding itself because that's a biosphere, a biosphere, the half size of your block that they fail basically as a pool of blocks, I literally don't have a block. Yeah, so the question is, is the shard size have anything to do with maybe the block size of the hard drive? And I don't know the answers to it on that level. All right, so with the racer coding, you set up your K and M and you set up your K and M per pool, right? So you get to decide what values of K you want to have and what values of M you want to have. Each pool can have different values. And of course also each pool, so you can have some pools be erasure coded and some pools be replicated if you have different classes of data that you're trying to store, right? I mean, you can have some of it that's backup data and you can have some of it that's high performance data on the same cluster, you just have them in different pools. You might have one erasure and you might have one erasure of a different profile. You might have one that's replicated, for example. So different pools for different classes of data. So the question is, do disks belong to a single pool? Not typically, no. You may be able to configure it that way, we don't. Yeah, you'll have multiple pools be represented by one disk, for example. So you might have like 100 OSDs, right? And let's say you have five pools running on that cluster. It's not specifically split that these disks service this pool and these disks service this pool. You may be able to set it up that way, but I don't know if you can and I don't know why you would want to, necessarily. But so the assertion is that the disks will operate differently whether they're erasure coded or whether they're replicated. The disks don't. The OSD process will either erasure code or it will replicate and it's just storing blocks on the disk. It's all managed by the software, remember. So up at a higher level than the disk. But yeah, I suppose it's possible to do that kind of partitioning. I just don't know when I haven't done it. Okay, so four, would it be three, right, Z, right, five, and so on? Yeah, so, yeah, the comment is that this is different than VFS, yes. All right, so how do we select a profile for erasure coding? And basically we're saying how do we select the K and the M, right? So let's look at them separately and then look at them together, right? So for the M, so the M is the number of additional parity shards, right? Higher M, so more M's is going to give you more resilience but it's going to cost you more disk usage, right? And it's going to be slower. And so remember, M is the number that we can lose and still be able to recover. So the more M's you have, the more resilience you have. That's all there is to it. But you have to store more data, you're gonna use more disk. It's gonna cost you more money, right? So the lower the M, the less resilience, less disk usage and also it's going to be faster because you're writing fewer bytes to the disk. So what about K? K is a little bit more involved. So remember, K is the number of shards that a block is going to be split into, right? So the higher your K is, the more shards that it's gonna be split into. Of course, the higher your K is, the smaller the M's are going to be also, right? Because they're all going to be the same size. So if you have a higher K, more blocks are going to be affected by each failure. And when I say each failure, I'm talking about each hard drive failure. You have a hard drive failure, it's going to affect more blocks. So you'll have more things that you have to recover. So that's gonna be a lower MTBF before going into recovery, right? Of course, it will recover, but it's just gonna have to do more work every time it does recover. The lower your K, the data is on fewer OSDs. The shards are each bigger, right? And now, but now fewer blocks are going to be affected by each failure. You lose a hard drive, fewer blocks are going to have to go into recovery. But with a lower K, your M's are gonna be higher also. So your additional parity shards are going to be larger. And then of course, the ratio here, the M to K ratio, the higher the ratio of M over K, the more resilient, but the more disk space you're going to use. So let's look at an example. So typical profile, 6.2 is a good starting point. So that's K of six, M of two. It's oftentimes represented that way, just six comma two. So that means that each block is gonna be split into six shards, and then there's going to be two additional shards that are going to be generated as parity data. All eight shards are going to be stored. And so a system like this is going to be resilient against the loss of any two shards. So that's 25% of the total data that's stored, right? And it's going to use 1.33 times the disk space of the data that you're storing, right? So if you're storing one K, it's gonna cost you 1.33 K of disk to store that, right? So that's not actually too bad, right? That's a whole lot better than the triple replication than what triple replication would use, right? Because triple replication, you're gonna use three times the block size. So five, three, and four, two are also commonly used in CES. And of course, when you set this up, you're trading off performance, resilience, and density for your specific workload. So if you wanted to, you could go all the way to like 28 and two or something like that. You're split up a lot of ways and you're only storing a very small amount of parity data. So, and remember, what you're guarding against here, since the system is self-healing, right? What you're guarding against is the loss of multiple hard drives at the same time or within that window of recovery, right?  And then before that, so now you're kind of at another level of recovery, you lose another one within that window, that's what you're guarding against. Use cases for erasure coding. Well, the use cases here are for right heavy workloads, right, because writing is going to be faster because you're writing less data than with a replicated pool. So right heavy workloads are gonna be better. So a lot of times there are statistically right only workloads, right, which also need density. So a backup is a good example of this, right? Users wanna be able to backup their data quickly. And in many cases, they don't really care how slow it is to read their backup. They're really just happy that there's any backup at all, right? So in that case, backup is, you know, statistically speaking, a right only workload. So right only workloads are perfect for erasure coding. Another thing is scientific applications where the data is generated and it's written very quickly and then analyzed offline later over maybe a period of weeks and months. You have an experiment that runs in a few seconds, you collect tons of data and then you write research papers for the rest of your life with it, right? Just a little plug for a soft iron, okay, so. In the previous slide, can you get crazy and use both of them at the same time if you really want more? Is it because the erasure coding is actually proportionally correct, whereas the application is three times would prevent from a complete storage control of radio type stuff? Yeah, so the question is, can you combine erasure coding and replication? If you can, it's not something that I've ever heard of or read about, but you really don't have to, right? So if you went back and you wanted to have some combination, I guess, so to speak, you could generate that with different levels of K and M on your erasure coding, right? So let's say you wanted to have something that was like triple replication on erasure coding. So what if you had a K of six, but then an M of 12, right? That would essentially be using the same amount of data. It's almost nonsensical to go that far, though, right? So I mean, I think that might kind of answer your question. Combining the two is not really something you'd really want to do. But what you can do, though, if you did really want to do that, let's say you had, and this is something we didn't talk about, but you can have multiple clusters that replicate one another completely, right? So you can have something in one data center and then in another data center and you can set up policy so that everything that's on this one has to also be on that other one over there, right? And so you set up, that's what I was saying, you can set up the failure domains, right? So between OSD, RAC, or OSD server, RAC, you know, RAC, ROW, data center, et cetera. I'm thinking of the replication where when you write the first primary copy and when that primary copy is used to replicate the other two copies, that primary copy is written incorrectly, like partial write or partial read that stuff. Then this erasure code can help the other two copies to be run. Yeah, so the question is, in replication, when you write the first copy and it synchronizes that to the first disk, if something were to fail in that case, then you're saying you would- Then that copy would be used to do the other two replications, not the original one that came into play. As you're saying, yeah, so if that wrote fail or if that write failed and it was corrupted, then what would be written to the other, what would be replicated? Well, so I haven't looked at the code for this specific thing, but what I would imagine is what gets written to the other OSDs would be correct because it's gonna write it from its original RAM buffer, not from what it's gonna read back off the disk, right? So, yeah, so I guess maybe at a higher level, there are many different types of hardware failure, right? And so one of the things Seth does is it protects all of the data that's written with stuff like strong hashing, for example. So you know if something gets written incorrectly and then you'll know when you try to read that back. Actually, what you'll know where you'll really know that is when it does a scrub. So you can set up an interval to do a scrub and when it does a scrub, it just checks all of the data on the disks, it checks all the hashing and it checks and just makes sure that everything's consistent. So if you start having failures like that, you can find them hopefully in a scrub, but you'll also find them when you try to read back. So when you try to read back and the hash is wrong, well then you know that's bad. You mark it bad, you go to one of the other ones, you try to find it and say, okay, well now we need to move this data and replicate it again because now we're down to two, for example. Two minutes, I think I'm being told. Oh, is that what you're saying? Okay. All right, so I'm all the way to the end here. Just a little plug for us, the soft iron advantage of using some of our hardware for Seth. So soft iron makes storage clusters for Seth. We only sell whole clusters. Seth runs on commodity hardware like we've talked about, but wouldn't it be better to have a vendor that knows about Seth, that can talk Seth with you, right? An integrated solution for hardware, software, OS. We find a lot of people, they come to us after they've tried to do with themselves several different ways, right? First is white box, second is something from Supermicro and then after that something from Dell or HP or whatever and they still haven't really solved all their problems and then they're talking to us, right? And so we can deliver a completely integrated solution, hardware that's tuned, not just tuned, but designed from the ground up for your use case, right? Designed for storage, designed to do the things that Seth needs to do, right? We know about having hard spinning disks and SSDs and we built them just that way to have the right balance for that. Things like that. Updates that don't break your system. We have our own Linux distribution and when you do an app update on it, we've tested running Seth that's on there the way that you're running it, right? You do it yourself, maybe you got Debbie in or Ubuntu or something like that and you're pulling Seth maybe from somewhere else, pulling it from upstream and you end up with a combination of things that haven't quite been tested right. We're testing it exactly the same way you're running it. We've got administration tools to make it easier, we're rolling out some pretty exciting stuff this month so you don't have to be a Seth guru to do some of the basic tasks, adding servers, adding drives, doing the basic maintenance. We also provide gateway services for common protocols so one of the things we didn't talk about here is that your customers show up and they say, yeah well we have Windows and we don't have a Seth SS driver in our Windows. We need NSS, you have this beautiful distributed system and you want to use NSS on it, but sometimes you need to do that. NSS, SMB and we have services for implementing all that stuff in a high availability way so you can just turn it on and now you've got high availability in NSS without very much drama and support that's familiar with your use case, right. We know what you're trying to do. We can have spares stored on site, hot spares in the rack and a lot of flexible payment options. Also, we're hiring so Rockstar is welcome. Send some email and so that's it for me. I think I got one more question. Go ahead. Is there LDAP integration? I do not know. Yeah, we didn't really talk about authentication in this. That's kind of a whole separate thing, but yeah. Have we used it in HPC environments? How's it being set up? Yeah, question is, is Seth used in HPC environments and the answer is yes. Yeah. As our comments are CERN, UCSD, yeah, plenty of others. Yep, questions? My question is, is there any connection?


Please! I just want to live! Red! Can I get an interview with the main who killed SpongeBob? No. How's it going, everybody? Dato-Doi here back with... I forget the name of the game. Nickelodeon all-star brawl, Dato-Doi. He said it better than I ever could. Alright, and this time, we've got all three idiots. We're just going to be going through the entire cast of characters today. And I'm going to show my good faith in that... No, not all of them probably... I'm going to show my good faith. Instead of Aang, I'm going to go ahead and start with... Leonardo. That's who I'm going to start with today. Yeah, that's just who I felt like 20. Okay, okay. Alright, not bad. Not bad choices. Not bad choices all around. Bro, look at me. Hold on, hold on. Take a look, take a look, take a look. I don't... What is that? Hey, the man asked for time. Hold on, Dio, let me get... Just a little time. Dio, let me get some revenge for you. I got 30% because he blew fire at the ground. I'll do it again. That's it. It's time to punch you in slow motion. I said it's time to punch you in slow... I missed. I'm all charged up. He'll be backflipping. Please, I just want to live. Red! I didn't do the up special. I guess you could say this turtle is a mutant.  Yo, this character is kind of fun. Wait a minute. Got him for you, Dio. I protected your honor. Yeah, let him know real quick. Let him know. I think every character that I played is actually pretty fun. Hey, the toast is ready. The toast is ready. Whoa, I thought I brought them in. I only got one life. I had no invincibility. I got a... Okay, getting really bodied right now. One life to live. How would you spend it? Oh, spiking reptar. All right, fellas. I don't want to die just yet.  That was a mighty hit.  Yo, get him.      Get him. Don't let him go. Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Now he's joined us up here in the high percentage club. Wait a minute. Your percentage is pretty low. What is this? What are you talking about? I think I might have to get both of you at once. What? That worked? Oh, yeah.  I forgot. I didn't realize how urgent this was. Yo, look, y'all. Jump, y'all.  What?  What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?  Yeah, you don't like that. Yeah, you don't like that. Yeah, you don't like that. Yeah, you don't like that.   No, I don't.  I need you to do these toasts right now. Don't let him spike you.  That's it. Here it is. He's going to take it. Why is my recovery... Spike him. I'll just go for it. He just... I just had to toss him up the edge a couple times. All right. Game over. Look at my guess. He's zooming on his face. Geez, Louise. Geez, Louise. Zoom in on that.  Oh my God. He's fucking... He's catching some... I'm going to hate this character selection, but I'll do it for the bit. Oh, Nigel?  A little bit of the knife. For one specific reason, bro. Hey, go ahead. Say something. Say something. Say it. I'm about to speak with my nose. What is going every... What is going every... What is going... What is going... Just stand there. Look at him. Put him up. Go for the cheap pants, bro. Yeah. Oh, I see. I see mosquito up there. Is that what that mosquito sound is?   Guys, don't... Don't jump too high. No! Why'd you save his life?  Oh, smashing. If you take a...  Defending thermos? Dude, I'm playing Danny Phantom right now. I have snow white hair and glowing green eyes. Why did you just, like, slam to death? Show me a moose. Show me a moose. Show me a moose. Show me a moose. You're not that guy, pal. You're not that guy, pal. He snapped me too infinitely. I think he was that guy. Nigel Thorberg is annoying. Let me bust out the fencing thermos on him. I'm on my last stock. I'll be over here. Bro, can you guys, like, lose the stock so I can, like, be...  He's got the avatar state. It is time. Kill him. All I needed. I am the avatar. Hit him hard. I'm dry, bro.  Ooh, I have a Crocodigator. What is going on?   He's got the avatar. He does have a gator. I don't know where he got that from. I exploded. Last stock, but I do have ghostly whale. I'm feeling all right. He's really good. I was trying to avoid combat, I'll be honest. I just wanted to peck at stuff with my nose. Dotto, what's crazy is all you really need is one really, like, good ghostly whale.  What did I say? Oh, just one more. He's a gator. Stuck it, Dotto. Ghostly whale. You let that... Nah, he blocked it. I don't know if you know you're dealing with Danny Panther. He's a fan. Yeah, I was thinking... Oh, perfect block.   Give me Dotto. Give me Dotto. You die, Dotto. Why are you not dead?  Speed. It's also a large map. Why are you blocked like that? Stop it. Die, Dotto. Bro. Man, this is... This is... anyone's going. Oh, no! We got Danny Phantom coming in. He's a fan. I don't want to be Helga. Oh, I was literally highlighting over her, too. You can be Helga. I'll be Renin Stimpy. You know what I'm highlighting over? A character I don't even know the name of. Yeah, and I don't like...  I'm gonna be a... Renin Stimpy. I'm gonna be a... I do not like that character. Bro, we got this level again. Who's getting... Oh, wait. I'm a Bolina. I'd be spitting trash out. Yo, who wants a free trash? Let's get to free trash, you.  Damn! Bro, already spiked Nido's Spice has the best spikes in the game. Hey, I do move in fast, though. My name is a Bolina. Yo, I am literally just spitting trash. Spike! Why did I get kicked in the mood? I pull up in the whip, like... Pull up in the whip. I'm using my eyes to levitate. Come here, let me get a... Oh, I'm ready to walk.  Let me get a quick bite to eat. A Bolina. Bolina.   I was gonna spike her. What are you doing?  A Bolina is morally gray. I think you should know that.  Oh! God! That could be me if I'm not careful. You know what, Donald?  I hope you die right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My objective is to spike away from him. No, don't take me. Don't put me on the ledge. I can't get back to... Where you going, huh? I see you. Donald, no pressure, but you only want to get spiked in these videos. Oh, he just stomped it out. Oh, I got him with my toe. I hit him with that. Got him. Hey, come here, Cameraman. Give me some kiss. Give me some kiss. Give me some kiss. Give me some kiss. Damn, I'm good with a bling. Where are you? What are you doing? This is not... Yeah! This is my lap. This is my map. I'm under the... Imagination. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Did I just drown in cereal? Oh, that's a moldy cheese. I love me some frosted mini-wheats. I didn't know you could drown in the mini-wheats. I lost the stock because of that. Actually, come with me, cat dog. I'm taking you to the mini-wheats. Whoa! Watch out for the fly! Damn! Oh, my God. I hit that guy. Crazy. Who wants to do an interview? Imagination. Who wants to do an interview? Holding interviews here. Nobody's coming. I'll have to go to the interviewees. Can I get a picture? Can I get a picture? Cat dog, can I get a picture? Imagination. What happened to the camera? Imagination. I'm exploded. Why are you guys... It kills me. I'm on the toes. This is never good. Spent map. Spent map. Got him, got him, got him, got him. Can I get an interview with the man who killed Spudgebob? No. Who's coming to the mini-wheats?  The mini-wheat. Hey, cat dog kind of got high percentage. No, dude. Not the toes, cat dog.  Here, I'll bring you to the much safer mini-wheats. All right, cat dog.  Let me get a fight. Let me get a fight of what you're offering. I'm going to get my interview either way. I'm going to set up a camera. No, I'm dead. I'm going to get a camera. I'm going to get a couple shots. Now do the sponge, sponge. Do the sponge.  What are these little dust clubs? I can fly.    Garate. Hit him. Spike him. Make him drown. The stage is big. Why was he not dead yet? How is he not dead? All right, we got him.  You were just yapping. A lot of D, a lot of D, a lot of D. A lot of D. Go sponge, Bob. Yep. There's some animal abuse going on in the background. So editor, maybe we cut this. All right, final match. We're going with the mains, fellas. It's time. The main mains? Yeah. I'm just busting out. Aang, it's time. Reptar is my main. I got two mains at equal placing. But just for the avatar theme, I'm going to be top. It's looking like it's going to be pretty toxic. Even I'm going to pick harmonic convergence on this. It's going to be toxic. It's going to be toxic. Play nice. Don't jump me. I'm jumping. Jump this man. Yeah, where'd I get you? Where'd I get you? Damn. Yeah, where'd I get you? Didn't get me far. Where'd I get you? I am fast as hell, dude. Come up your den. Come up your den. Come up your den. Don't punch me. What did I do wrong? What is going every? You're dead here. Thanks, man. You got the wrong boy. Got him. Anyway, yeah. I can't recover. Oh, that'll save me. That'll save me. That'll save me. That'll save me. Oh, yeah, save me. What is going every?  I'm going to be cool, I guess. Yeah, I'll be over here. Can't see me.  Get out of here. I didn't want to come over here. I was forced. I'll be over here. Don't get too... Top, I gave you to her on a silver platter. Fight her. Fight her, bro. We get it. You have one stock. You don't want to go down like that. Yeah, it's true. I'm not afraid to admit it. This is not weak. Well, I'm dead. 12 seconds later. Oh, hope you don't... Oh, they did it again. Why did they do that? That's so annoying. I missed the ledge. I am of the sad. Editors slowly zoom in on Aang's face until the audience becomes uncomfortable. No, don't end the video yet. No, not yet. Slower. Slower. Slower. We're getting close. We're getting closer. Closer. Closer. Well, you guys are watching this zoom in. Have you hit the like button yet? Yeah, hit the like button. Okay. End the video. It's too close. Too close.


Henthified Season 2 came out, and I actually auditioned for Henthified, which is on Netflix. Let's do my audition! You gonna order or what? Sorry, you're side-e, right? In the flesh? You all ready? For me? Two grasshopper tacos and pink speed mija. Ew, pink speed? Seriously, pop? You wanna date with the toilet? Eric, forgive him.  But let's take a look at who they cast. You gonna order or what? Yeah, it's alright. You're side-e, right? In the flesh? Tostacos de chapulines, you don't mind me telling yourself. Oh, mi favorito. Wow, pink speed pop? Seriously?  Eric, please. Forget it. No, I don't know.  I do have a couple of more scenes, seeing that I really already get the gist of what they really wanted versus what I sent in.


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Brian. Folks, once again, thanks for your service. I am amazed at your dedication to the process. I'm just gonna sound a little bit like a broken record, but I'd like to thank the board for consideration of moving this plan as submitted, including with the sidewalk. I absolutely appreciate the concern for safety. I do believe the path behind does address that safety. I'll also politely remember mine everybody on the board. Red Barn Deli closes at six. So I think with the amenities that are being built in the development to the other direction, there's more than enough ample safety. I've also heard we had some compelling arguments, 25% of traffic, financial costs. So I hope tonight when you guys think about this, I know I've probably been a bit of a thorn and I apologize at times if I was less than diplomatic. Dan, to your perspective of the right away, the one challenge that's part of my appeal currently is the town isn't the applicant. The town has the right away. I would hope that when we look at this entire process with the neighbors, the slate imperfection or maybe a tree in a different place on the UVM project would maybe waiting for the last hundred feet of a sidewalk is a good imperfection for a win between the town and the community, a win for the two applicants, UVM and O'Brien and a win for the neighborhood. I think it's a great example of the process at work. And I would hope that the city would find the concession as this so may view as a great balance to work with neighbors, work with the community and move this project as is as proposed for this evening. Everybody knows I'm adamant in my positions. I believe this is a great example of concessions all the way around. And I thank you guys for your time letting me speak, possibly sounding like a broken record. Thank you very much. Thank you, Brian. Okay. Any other public comment? I will say that I think my wife was on before and it is my 14th wedding anniversary. So happy anniversary. I think she was dialing in to see who I'm actually at meetings on Tuesdays. Do you want a note to bring home? Yes, yes. Now it's on public record. Happy anniversary. Thank you. You guys got my daughter's birthday and my anniversary too. So I'm hoping maybe we can dial these back next year. What do you think? Okay. Aw, she put up a heart emoji. Yeah. Yeah. Time to go on the record. Yeah. All right. Shall we entertain a motion? I'll make a motion that we close SD 2210 of 500 Old Farm Road Final Plot application of Elbrion Eastview LLC. Any discussion? All in favor of the motion to close the hearing? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. The motion is carried. Thank you very much. Three years, 12 hearings, two presidents, a global pandemic. Although I did just see that Trump just threw his hat in the ring again. Yes, he did. God help us all. Yep. Thank you. Strike that from the record. We'll remain unbiased in our commenting here. Take care. Thanks again. Thank you. Minutes. Yes, minutes. We had three sets of minutes. Yep. We had three sets. Yeah, the November 1st minutes were super long. I'm sure you had a tough time getting through those. All right. Approval of the minutes of September 20th, October 6th, and November 1st. Thanks. We have a motion to approve. I'm moved. I will second. Okay, thanks. Any discussion? No, no, no. All in favor of approving the minutes? Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carried. Good. Other business meeting schedule here, I'm only bringing it up because I probably won't, 99% sure we'll miss the meeting on the 20th, December 20th. You will miss it. Okay. Pretty likely, yes. Is everyone else able to make the meeting? I should be able to. I guess we'll see, we won't see you on the 20th, but we'll see each other. If I'm not here in person, I will probably be available online, so. And then the 2023 calendar is on the website. Okay, good. Is there anything like weird coming up in January, like the all these random Wednesdays or Thursdays because. I think February might be both Wednesdays. Stand by. But otherwise we're still on for January 3rd and 17th and. Let's see. As usual or. Let me check. Schedule 2023. I changed it around a little bit. I hope it's a little easier to read. It was certain. Oh no, it's shoot. So we have significantly fewer Wednesdays this year, but both January meetings and the second February meeting are Wednesday. So January 4th. 4th and 18th. 4th, 18th. And then February is another Wednesday. Hold on. February 22nd. So February 18th is also the Wednesday. Okay. Hey Marla, I will have a problem with December 6th because Burlington has a special election. It is recorded. Thank you, Sue for letting us know. So hold on one second. February 7th is becoming February 8th. No, February 7th is staying February 7th. Which one in February is changing? February 22nd is the Wednesday. Okay. And it's on the website where Marla? On the development of U-Port website homepage. There's a thing that says schedule. Okay. All right. Good night, everyone. Thank you for hanging in there. Just like it noted that I did not jinx. That's when we're ending early. By 15 minutes. Hey. All right. Thank you. Good night.