All right, everyone, we're going to get started. I'm Ryan Lane of WCAG Foundation. I'm joined today by Tim Bell of CERN and JC Martin from eBay. And we're going to be discussing the OpenStack User Committee. And we're going to be giving some information about feedback and metrics from the survey that we've conducted. So who here is familiar with what we're actually supposed to be doing to begin with the OpenStack User Committee? Good. So now you will, hopefully. So when the foundation was formed in the bylaws, it was one of the things that was brought up in the bylaws is that user committee would be founded. And from that, the board of directors would appoint one member. The technical committee would appoint another member. The board appointed Tim Bell. The user committee, I'm sorry, the technical committee appointed myself. And the bylaws said that we would appoint a third member. And that is JC Martin of eBay. And from there, we would create the initial user committee. So the initial scope that we're looking at, first of all, is that we're going to define the bylaws, the actual structure of the committee. That's the first thing that we have to do. I'm going to go into more information about that soon. The next thing that we're going to do is to define the actual types of users that we're going to be representing. Third, we're going to take information from the users as a whole. And we're going to aggregate this information. And we're going to present this with actionable proposals to the technical committee and the board of directors. Next, we're going to take information from these users. And we're going to track what they're doing, how they're using the software. In the software, what things they're using, like if they're using KVM, if when they're using Nova, or if they're using Zen, or when they're consuming the APIs, if they're using XML format or JSON. And then we can take these things, and we can present aggregate stats, and also be able to take these and provide them as information back to the technical committee, to the developers, et cetera. Last, we're going to work with the managers of the user groups that are currently in place globally around the world. And we're going to help them make their user groups more, they're going to help strengthen them and make the entire system kind of work better. So the actual structure itself. We've been working on this for the past few months. We have a document online that will be in the slides, we'll be sharing the slides later as well, with links to where you can go and actually see how the structure works. But I'll give you a quick overview. First of all, the structure of the committee is to have a number of representatives in the user community that will represent the user community as a whole. And this means that we'll have members that are representing all of the different types of users that we've defined over the market segments that we're defining, as well as over all of the geographical regions that we're also defining in our documentation. So with this, obviously the community or the committee can probably grow pretty large in this. Because if we have a very large number of types of users and a very large set of geographical regions with a lot of market segments, then the committee can become pretty unwieldy. And what we want to do is kind of limit the size of this to make it kind of manageable, while still having it large enough to properly represent the community as a whole. So we have a number of things where we're limiting the size. The first one is that we're only going to allow one representative per company that is being represented total. This is to ensure diversity. It could be that we have one company that actually covers very large numbers of market segments over very large number of geographical regions, but we feel that it's better to have individual members from different companies that are representing all of these things that we get more input and better input from the community. Next, we're going to limit the number of representatives that we have from any single market segment. And as well, we're going to limit the number of representatives that we have in any geographical region. But in that limitation for geographical region, the way that we're looking at doing this is to have the representation be roughly proportional to the size of the representation in those geographical regions. So regions that have a very large number of users are going to have more representation. We've already gotten a little bit of feedback on that, saying that it may not be terribly fair to some regions. That's why we're saying it's gonna be roughly proportional. So some regions that we feel have the potential very large amounts of growth will probably have a larger representation than other portions. Also, there's two seats that are reserved. There's one that can be appointed by the board of directors and there's another that can be appointed by the technical committee. The initial way that we're going to bring community members in is that we're going to appoint them. Originally, we wanted to do elections for these and we got a lot of feedback from the board saying that for the initial set of the process, it's probably gonna be too slow to do elections. And we want to get the committee set up and actually bring in data and being able to present these things. So we'll probably set up the initial committee by having appointments for all of the positions. And then after a certain period of time, we're thinking probably maybe a year or six months that we will hold elections for all of the positions that are currently there and people will have to actually try to get elected for the positions they've been appointed to. Once all of these folks are elected or appointed, we will have a chair and a vice chair that will be elected from voting process inside of the committee itself. So going back to the actual types of users, I think this is something we can all relate to. We're all users, right? Who here is a user? Excellent. So now I get to categorize all of you. The first type of user that we have is a consumer. These are people that are using cloud services that are OpenStack cloud services. And this could be people that are using storage, cloud storage or cloud virtualization services, et cetera. Or this would also be people that are consuming the API but not specifically people that are building software and services using the API that are using the build for OpenStack trademark. That's something separate. The next group is the operators. This is the people that are actually running the software. I fall into this category. So far, I think this is the group of people that we've gotten the most feedback from total. Operations engineers love the complain. I should know. I love to complain. Next is the ecosystem partners. This is specifically the group of people that are writing software and services that are using the build for OpenStack trademark and are held by those requirements. Lastly, we have distribution providers or application vendors. These are like Red Hat, Susie, Canonical, PistonCloud and other groups of people who are making OpenStack distributions and or making appliances and things like that. So the current status. We have the initial members. That would be the three of us. We all have NEA signs. So any of the information that is shared with us is private within our own group. We don't share it outside of the user committee at all. Any of the survey information that comes in only comes to us. We provide only aggregate statistics. Same with any of the other information that's shared with us. This is also another reason that we have to kind of limit the size of the committee because every committee member is required to sign an NEA. We've also created a mailing list. Currently this mailing list is set up for anyone can subscribe and read but only the committee members can actually post to the list. So we're looking at changing this possibly to instead make the process more open to where anyone can post. We're still kind of figuring this out. So if anyone wants to talk to us about how you think we can better work communication pathways we'd love to involve you. Lastly we're finishing up the structure which is why we're presenting it to you now. And also we've started collecting information with the foundation. And this is more than just the survey. This is also, this is like the membership directory. Basically we're gonna have a centralized system that holds all of the information for everything in the foundation and we'll use this system to access data and provide, like create the statistics and aggregate data and such. The thing that we've done that we're gonna be presenting on soon is the initial user survey. This is also going to feed into the system. I don't think it currently is. Is it currently feeding in? Oh good, it is currently feeding into the system so. So that should help us. We have a number of priorities for 2013. Not working anymore. So the first of all and the most important thing is this for actually, for us to get the committee set up and working. After that we're gonna start expanding the membership by doing the appointments. Next we're going to look at all of the data that we've collected and we're gonna start forming a comprehensive view of the community so that we can actually give reliable feedback to the board and to the technical committee. Lastly we're gonna set up the communication pathways. The first is gonna be changing how the list works or setting up a new list or something along these lines so that we can take active feedback from the community that's public. But we also need to set up communication pathways that are private. So for organizations that are not necessarily willing to say that they're running OpenStack or not willing to divulge some information about their clouds, they have a way to provide us with information and such. Lastly we're gonna provide metrics which is coming up next. I don't think this is working anymore. Okay, great. So in March we ran a survey emailing out through the foundation to the various members, tweeting, contacting various people. And the survey would allow people to come onto the foundation site. They didn't necessarily need to be members of the foundation. People could also just register just for the purpose of the survey. And with that they could give us their feedback. We were pleased to have 400 plus answers. And with that it was intriguing to see the distribution of the geographies. So as expected the US was a substantial chunk. After that Asia, so India and China. And then two surprises for me which was France and Germany next. After that there's a huge tale. So we're talking about 56 countries overall. It demonstrates the global aspects of the community. At the same time when we asked people to classify what kind of user they were. So we clearly had a large number of cloud operators. This is understandable given the current state of the project. Not so many cloud consumers. We aren't expecting that the people that are using the public clouds or the private clouds are going to be the ones currently involved in this in terms of the communication paths tended to favor those people who were related to the openstack.org site members of the foundation. And then after that some answers from service providers and ecosystem vendors. So we've got a fair distribution there which confirms much the approach that says we want a balanced user committee that's allowed to represent all those different perspectives. When we come down to company size things fit roughly one third, one third, one third between the different sizes. So below 200 employees, one third, between 200 and a thousand, another third. And then whoops. And then the big guys which are over a thousand. Look at the read your mail. And then when we come to the industries where people were involved so clearly information technology comes out highly. A fair chunk of the academic research telecommunications is getting to be increasingly a significant market. And a fair number of government and defense replies. What was interesting on the industry's aspect is that many users who were working for the same companies actually defined themselves in different sections. One of the difficulties with the surveys is always that unless you write a massive user manual that comes along with the survey explaining the finer details of every single answer which probably no one will read you won't get completely consistent answers. So we should look at this in terms of the total statistics rather than in terms of an individual answer as being so significant. And that's why getting over 400 answers is good because it allows us to be reasonably confident in the ratios that we're seeing. So in this case we asked just what area of industry do you work in? And we gave them a set of classifications like healthcare and finance. So in this case it will be companies whose involvement is in the information technology industry. So amongst the other things we asked the users for along with their industries, their geographies was what things they actually wanted as far as further enhancements goes to the product. This was a free text field and we had over 190 answers. So people spent effort to give us this feedback which is greatly appreciated. The one that came out top this is in priority order. So out of the 190 probably around 20 people were mentioning installation and configuration difficulties. After that the next one that came in was migrations. In particular how we go about migrating from one version to another version without any downtime. Documentation was a key item. Some people wrote just documentation, documentation, documentation as the feedback. And in particular some of the comments were actually not to provide more but to provide easy ways under which you can get at the latest copy. It's also easy to drop into Google and pick up the cactus documentation of the command line. So we need to find ways under which we can mark documentation as archived. And so even though there may be some instances that are running that version, it makes it clear that people should go somewhere else in order to get the info. Security clearly an important item and in particular making sure that the basic communications and infrastructures can be encrypted. Horizon came up quite frequently. People were often encountering that there was a new feature that's coming out. But when it comes out, Horizon wasn't there on day one with the support for that feature. They needed to wait until the next release. High availability, so here wasn't clear what people meant, they just said high availability. Some people were more explicit and said we want the nova infrastructure to be highly available. Others were clearly meaning virtual machine high availability, restart a virtual machine after a hypervisor crash. And then finally active directory. So at the end, probably the active directory one we had three or four people who were saying that to give you a feeling of the kind of curve. The second question we asked people to fill out was on the foundation priorities. So this is separate from what you want from the product. What do you want the foundation to be organizing? Both foundation staff, the board, the technical committee, and the user committee. And here top item by a long way was to ensure compatibility between open stack clouds. Secondly, to look at stability and hardening not just improving the underlying function. So get in there and work out those places that are causing us pain when we're running these clouds in production and fix the underlying root cause of the problems not just add on additional function. Certification and training, putting in place the sort of infrastructure that you get commonly now around the Linux distributions so that you can get certification for the engineers. So you can get the full range of training options from an early start engineer right up to the specialist and guru. And then work through with the user groups, especially outside the US. You can see this clearly from the stats that there is a wide distribution of user groups across the US, but then when we get outside of the US it starts to become a bit more patchy. And there we need to work through the user communities and try to identify how to encourage user groups around the rest of the world. Over to JC. Thanks. So as part of the survey, there was a question, optional question for people to fill out a description of their deployments. There's multiple deployments possible pair users. So what you are seeing here is that there's almost 200 deployments and it's likely that there will be less than half of the users who filled out their deployments. There was an option for people also to specify if their deployment was public or private, meaning do they want to share the information about their deployment? And we are taking that very seriously. If someone is telling us that they are fine sharing their deployment data but they don't want to share it outside of the user committee, we are going to make sure that this is ensured because that's kind of the trust that we want to build so that we can collect as much as possible the information from the users. So when we looked at the deployments, as Tim was saying, it's difficult to put a user manual with the survey so that people fill out the survey correctly. So we ended up with some types of discrepancies where people would check all the boxes or they would basically say that multiple incompatible answers were selected. So bear that in mind. But the clear thing that we can see is that the main type of deployment that we got was the on-premise private cloud. So what it means is that people were deploying open stack in-house on their own infrastructure. The other type of private cloud was hosted. So for example, you are with Vario or other Austin companies or Rackspace and you're running your open stack cloud there. And the last big chunk was the public cloud. So we then asked users to categorize what stage they were in for their deployment. And that's where we got multiple answers which kind of is weird because you cannot be at the same time in POC and production. But we can see that the highest number of deployments were in Dev QA and proof of concept. But a fair chunk was in production. So that's interesting. And the notion of production also doesn't exclude the fact that you can do Dev and QA on the same cloud. So for example, at eBay, that's what we are doing. We are deploying the next version on our previous version. So it could also be the reason why people checked multiple boxes. With regard to the version, almost half of the deployments were on Folsom. And that's great because it means that people are upgrading their cloud. There's only 5% on Diablo. So the good thing is that there's no CAC-T or previous version but there's still 5% on Diablo. So maybe it's back to what Tim was saying is that upgrading open stack is very hard right now. And we had at eBay to develop a tool to even migrate VMs between versions because the upgrade between SX and Folsom was not easy. And it's clear when, for example, you have new projects like Quantum becoming part of the mainstream, it's creating a lot of disruption and people might not be able to upgrade that as much as possible. The other interesting part is that there's almost 10% of people running the trunk. Which is like maybe in their CICD type of project where they run the latest version. We asked then users or users what features they were offering. And you can see that the dashboard is coming up higher. But the interesting thing for me at least was that the compatibility with EC2 and S3 was last. So it means that maybe people are less interested of having like an Amazon like cloud than having something that they run internally. So that's an interesting point. In terms of components that users were running, the main components are up there, right? Like Nova, Glance, Keystone, Horizon, the four main components. And then the interesting thing is that Quantum and Cinder which are new, coming just in Folsom and Grizzly already deployed quite a bit. So that's an interesting point. And Silometer and Heat, they are even not main project right now and they are still having some deployment. So it looks like even if a project is in the inception or incubation phase, as user we still use them because there's value for those projects. Or maybe they are just the users that develop that project that are listed there. I don't know. So the next, we looked at the detailed features. So what it means is that we double clicked on all those components and said, what driver or what version do you use? So the key thing here is KVM is big. So either because it's the default hypervisor and it was the only well supported hypervisor for a while but you can see that the other ones are less than 10% each of the deployments. Then we asked users what storage drivers they were using. And here it's a bit clear. The surprise for me at least was the safe RBD part. LVM and NFS are kind of abuse. They seem to be the easy path to use storage drivers. But safe is not like an easy deployment. So that was surprising. For network drivers, the interesting part is that there's as many open V switch deployment as there's Linux bridge, which is nice. It's nice to see. It's maybe because now Linux adopted open V switch as a core project. So people are starting to be more comfortable using it. Cisco has a big part of the drivers also, which is nice. And then there's the other orders that are there. Identity driver, Ryan was surprised that LDAP was used because it looks like you have problems with LDAP or no one was answering your LDAP questions. So but still there's a third of the users that are deploying LDAP for their identity driver. And in terms of APIs, Jason is a big winner, which is nice, I prefer Jason than XML. The next part, what we did is we looked at the scale. But because there were so many POC deployments, I removed those POC deployments out of the numbers because they were kind of skewing the numbers down to the smallest deployment. And it's not very representative of what people will run in production because they tend to try a lot features, for example, on the POC than they would in production. So there's still a lot of small clouds there, like less than 50 hypervisors, right? And it's 70% of our clouds, which means that in terms of maturity, we will see a lot more skew toward smaller cloud and users that are less sophisticated in operating a cloud because when you operate 50 nodes, it's less difficult than operating thousands. But you can see that in terms of number of nodes, you have almost 5% above 1,000 nodes, which is interesting. So there's the two spectrums. There will be a large community of users that is interested in starting using a cloud and deploying to scale. And then there's a population of very sophisticated users that are already running a very large cloud at scale. So number of scores and instances are proportional. So I think that we have to keep in mind the two populations when we look at the needs and the requirements. I think that this will be important. Sinder deployment, same thing, removed the POC deployments. But then you can see that, again, almost 50%, very small deployments, less than 10 terabytes of storage. But on the other end, there's very large users with more than 500 terabytes. So very wide spectrum there. Last one is Swift. There's 47 deployment of Swift outside of POC, which is interesting. Smaller deployment, 50% almost. But then there's a very large deployment like more than 500 terabytes of objects. So there's a lot of project storage, almost 10% of the users. And on the number of objects, there's almost 5% with more than 100 millions of objects. So that means that Swift being maybe more mature than some of the other Nova components, you see a lot more large deployments of Swift than maybe other components. So the survey is still open. We do kind of a rolling upgrade or a rolling update of the survey data as we get more data. And we'll try to maybe clean up the forms to make sure that multi-selection is maybe disabled in some answers so that we force people to split their deployments in multiple instances instead of cramming everything on one deployment survey. And if you have any feedback on the survey, when we open the mailing list for general contribution, you will be able to give us your feedback or ask clarifying questions on those. So again, it's an initial evaluation of the numbers. There's other things that we can do with the numbers like for example, all the numbers are presented pair deployments, but not pair the number of instance. So for example, how many KVM deployments actually instance would be an interesting data to get? Like we know that there's like 50% of the deployments that are using KVM, but how many instance does it represents if for example, a very large cloud is using Zen, right? So that's something that we will do next and double click on some of those numbers and do more pivoting and correlation between numbers. Yes? No, so that's one of the issue that we had also is sometimes there's, so the user survey, you had multiple users giving their feedback for the deployments, it worked very well. There was no duplicates, but I don't know if it was enforced in fact. One of the things that people could do was to put a description when they defined their deployment. And so we went over the data and removed the cases where there were multiple descriptions that were identical. So the aim was to avoid scenarios where you had two reports of exactly the same deployment. Yeah, we did a bit of cleanup also and we removed some of the answers where people checked all the box. They were very excited about the survey. As JC mentioned, so anyone who hasn't done it already, it'd be very helpful to fill out your deployments as part of the survey, since that data is going to be an ongoing data set that we'll carry on maintaining. But maybe what's important is if you know that some other people, like it could happen in very large company that you don't know if someone already filled the deployment for your organization. Maybe it's good to coordinate maybe among yourself to make sure that we don't have to do the filtering.  You have the same deployment from the same company with different answers. Or you're using Folsom. No, I'm using Essex. So we try to avoid that. I think what we can report is in terms of what people are deploying. I think there is a risk in that becoming a reference architecture since it might not necessarily be the correct reference. So clearly we are reflecting what people are deploying and therefore probably to what extent the operations guide should be assisting that. But I don't think that we should necessarily assume automatically therefore the right answer is KVM open V-switch for the reference architecture. Yeah, what we can say is we can say that those are typical deployments. Or maybe like if you have a getting started section where you want to look at getting people fast with the running cloud. It's likely that those drivers, like drivers that have the most response will be the one that people will want to run first. So like selecting a big switch driver would not be the best option for someone trying to get started. So default, default, right, right. Technical committee should give rather than the user committee or coming out of this data. So we're providing the data so that maybe the technical committee can do this kind of thing. I mean this is also not necessarily the kind of thing that individual projects should do either, right. It's something that's a reference implementation across all of the different projects saying these are the things that are best supported and these are the configuration options. And maybe that it's not a specific reference implementation maybe it's like for these specific types of environments these are the ones that we're recommending but these are definitely kind of things that technical committee would be best at doing rather than user committee. Yeah, I think that's why what Ryan was saying is that this group will influence the technical committee by providing the data. And I think that if it's a feedback loop and we get to see the recommendation and someone says oh you have to use this vendor so XYZ as the default will say oh come on it doesn't make sense, right. Individual vendors can make their own reference guides and that's perfectly fine. Everyone has their own ability to do so and their own marketing but it's probably not something that we would support as the normal reference. And in fact maybe the most sensible default would be the open source default. Not like a vendor specific because then you are biased to a vendor. I'm not seeing that coming from the user committee. I think the user committee is there to represent the views of the users back to the technical committee into the management board. It isn't there to enforce a kind of technical implementation. Right, so therefore what the user committee can do is to raise the fact that there is a concern there is so there is a need for a reference design and take that back to the technical committee and the management board as input from the user community. It's not for the user committee to be defining that. It's more a question of raising the concerns of the users to the bodies that can then get on and solve them. The documentation and the operator guide is it out of the technical side or like which body if you want is responsible for those? Technical committee. But they are part of the technical side of it. Part of the technical side, yeah. I think that's maybe one that's rather a bit the two sides. They need to work closely with the user committee definitely. Yeah, yeah, yes. So the aim would be that in something like 12 months time we will then produce a new report. So from this data we'll be doing a write up which will include more. We only had a week to do the data processing. So it was somewhat hurried. But we will then go into a more extended description with that and then we would look to be repeating that on something like a yearly basis. That's what we'd hope, yeah. Now with people hopefully filling out the survey as things progress then we could even be making it for basic statistics on a smaller granularity. Yeah, I mean that's exactly the kind of thing I think now that we're opening up the lists then we can have that kind of discussion amongst the people that would like to get involved. That's where maybe the double click by doing some more pivoting. Like for example, we presented the operator but all the data that are coming after that slide is global data. But if you say, okay, operator, how did they answer the survey? Or for a private cloud, how did they answer the survey? So that's the next double click that we can do and it will influence your persona a bit more than what we have right now. There was something. I think Josh, we can't yet. Sorry, I'm not doing something. So we've had some prototyping of something like that. And certainly one of the things that is clear from the comments is that some people are making, oh, this is a problem, this is a problem. However, if we then ask the community overall to be starting to vote to say, yeah, this is something that is my top priority, then that input would be very useful. So what I hope to be able to do is to take the comments and produce the first 10 initial seeding proposals and then start to get input from everyone in terms of documentation is the number one or installation and configuration is the number one. And then we can take those items as being the things to the technical committee management board to be looking at how to fund and how to solve. And I think this is actually a very important thing because currently the only way that we can really take feedback or the only way that we're really getting feedback right now is mostly from the developer lists. The IRC channels seem to be mostly dead for support and a lot of the other input mechanisms that we have for taking input from regular users that are not developers is not, none of them are very good right now we're working. So ask.openswork.org. Yes. It's new. So hopefully that will help as well. But we definitely need to be able to take feedback in a number of different ways. That's probably very good for support but it might not be as good for figuring out what users actually need from features. So yeah. I think in particular the thing that I'd like is to be able to have people who can say what their pain points are without knowing necessarily what the solution is. So many of the people using OpenStack won't know that the fix is to be re-architecting this component but they will know that this doesn't work. We're hoping the opposite that you would help us. Yeah. Really we're looking at more having a feedback mechanism where the user groups can collect feedback and tell us the problems that people in their areas are having. I mean the interaction between the committee and the use groups is one of those things that I'd like to be having a number of copies with a number of people during this week as well. Because getting that structure in place given that the user groups are the local contact is very important. That's a way to scare it because we are only three for now. So yeah. You have the local contact, you have the cultural links. So from that point of view that is a key part of getting that feedback loop in place. Good. Okay, great. So thanks so much. I'll be right about sending it around.


Welcome to the Adam does movies podcast episode five tentatively titled my love hate relationship with Disney That might be the the title I go with but you know We'll see we'll see how I feel the day I post this Monday at 8 a.m. on all Spotify Apple podcasts whatever streaming service you use and then 8 p.m. At night on YouTube at Adam does movies where I do a live Watch along and chat in the comments with people The conversation this week is around Disney the animated space specifically. We're not going to be talking about You know white fang or all the other flubber all the live-action stuff. They've done I mean to a degree. We will eventually get to the new age live-action Which is really just CG versions of their classics, but to start with we're gonna go over the history How it affected me growing up how much I really loved Animation and the studio as a whole and how now as an adult I've become jaded Been a bitter and cynical about everything they put out and it sucks. I don't want to be there. I really don't I'm then going to end with some viewer questions. I polled on YouTube. I asked people. I mean, it's not a poll I just asked people. Hey Give me a question about Disney anything anything at all. I'll answer it within reason two to three questions I'll do and then we'll just you know, we'll wrap up. We'll go on with our lives as we always do Ladies and gentlemen in front of me right now I have a list of movies all the Disney animated films. They have distributed most of the time They've had a hand in making it's their studio after all it's It's impressive and it goes back a lot further than I thought Which makes me feel so much older than I did before I started this episode all the way back in December of 1937 I looked at three different lists by the way that ordered all the Disney animated releases by date. I Looked at three different ones because I didn't believe the first two where I saw the date next to them I cannot believe that Snow White and the Seven Dwarves came out in 1937 are you out of your mind? The movie looks good.  I don't care much for Snow White and the Seven Dwarves But when I was you know five or six, I imagine I watched it a lot and probably ate it up The same can be said for Pinocchio Pinocchio came out in 1940. There have been several iterations on the character one of them just came out this year Directed by Robert Zemeckis. I don't know what Robert Zemeckis was smoking when he made that movie. It's absolute trash The original animated iteration easily my favorite Most of these I think most people know are based on books short stories And then Disney puts their spin on it usually they take a far less dark approach when it comes to these Then there's Fantasia also in 1940. I don't care for the Fantasia movies. They never did it for me It's the celebration of music and animation You know hand-in-hand the whole thing is a musical. No, thanks. I'm not big on musicals though We then jump for I didn't see the reluctant drag and again, I'm gonna skip over some of these I'm just gonna kind of go to the meat the ones that most people remember Dumbo was 1941 and Bambi was 1942 as I go down this list It's gonna hit you That Disney has remade almost all of these at least all the major ones Dumbo had a remake a year or two back. I don't know anyone who saw it I didn't even see it because I didn't care at all Bambi surprisingly hasn't had one yet. Although there is a Dwayne Johnson Saturday Night Live Skit that's freaking hilarious where the rock plays Bambi If you haven't seen that do yourself a favor and watch the four minute spoof video. It's so funny It's kind of set like fast and the furious meets Bambi Gritty live-action, of course making fun of all the live-action stuff a Few things I have not seen are kind of tossed in the middle here and then we get up to Cinderella in 1950 Cinderella's solid. That's a great movie still to date. I like the end where She you know, they're trying to find out who's slipper it is.  They call it a slipper. Yeah glass slipper Whenever I think slipper, I think what you wear to bed or some people. I don't those things are bacteria traps but the guy goes to the house and He's he drops the shoe because the evil stepmother the stepmothers are always bitches in these movies by the way Drops it shatters on the ground and Cinderella's like I got the other one right here Buss it out and the look of pure terror on the stepmother and sister's faces is priceless Love it Cinderella has been remade as well Some people really like the live-action remake. I thought it was super boring and didn't care at all But that's regarded as one of the better ones Alison Wonderland 1951 keep in mind. I'm not born for any of these films these Predate me by quite a bit and I've seen them all I saw them all as a kid much like my kids have seen a lot of these movies, too Man, they made good movies back then Sure, there was some racism thrown in there was some You know, maybe some social commentary that's not quite up to the standards today, but people grow people evolve We change we we better ourselves and sometimes what was funny then isn't funny now or doesn't really strike a good chord with a lot of individuals But Alison Wonderland, I always kind of like the idea behind it The the trippy psychedelic fever dream Alice is going on. I don't remember ever really enjoying it that much though I just kind of thought it was cool not so much to watch but just the concepts there Peter Pan was two years later in 1953. I didn't care for Peter Pan. The only version. I like it that one is hook Which yeah, Disney is on this kind of tear in the last Half a decade where they're just remaking all their classics in this newer ugly animated quality. That's all CG They did this a few times. They dabbled a few times in the past There was a 101 Dalmatians and a sequel 102 Dalmatians naturally with Glenn Close and then they had hook with Robin Williams That was a great movie and what I liked about it was it was a different story I mean same story kind of but told in a different way, you know Peter Pan's grown up He's an adult now. He's got to find Neverland again Relive bring back the magic for his son very well done. I don't know if it holds up anymore But my memories are fond and we'll leave it there. We'll leave it in the Disney vault leave it in the Adam vault Lady in the Tramp That was a fine little ditty came out in 1955. Then we have Sleeping Beauty 1959 That's interesting to me because Sleeping Beauty feels a lot older than the the movies. I previously just listed off I felt like Sleeping Beauty was way back by Snow White But no, that's 59. I guess maybe it's because they did a different art style for it It definitely feels separated from the rest of the pack And if I'm remembering correctly Sleeping Beauty is the one with Maleficent and they made those two great Maleficent movies Well, I saw one of them. The first one was good. I don't know about the second that's another Great example of taking a well-known property and putting a twist on it doing something new in That universe, which is what Disney should be doing now, but they're not What do we got next here 101 Dalmatians in 1961? mmm I Like 101 Dalmatians. I don't love it This is another prime example of them taking the villain giving her her own story. I Didn't care for Cruella. It wasn't terrible. I've seen worse But it was very much like a Disney version of the Devil Wears Prada Which is a fantastic movie that I've seen several times Glenn Close. Come on. Oh wait. No, I'm sorry I apologize Meryl Streep Amazing performance by Meryl Streep Glenn Close Meryl Streep. They're both great actresses It's a fair thing to get wrong I think The sword in the stone. This is an underrated gem kind of overlooked. I think over the years 1963 sword in the stone I Enjoy that one with Merlin and yeah, I got the apprentice who pulls the sword out having to become I think it's King Arthur if I if I am remembering properly Interesting they put Mary Poppins on here as animated. I guess it's quasi animated We're gonna move past it.  I didn't care for This is really where the new trend of the live-action movies started. I Know some people really love the jungle book the classic cartoon. That's fair. That's fine. It's it's fun and whimsical It's colorful the new version of the jungle book is the opposite. It's very dark It's it's got some scary aspects It has elements of the lion king more than the jungle book belue the bear is there, but there's no musical numbers really It's it's its own thing And I really dug that movie when I saw it one time and never thought to watch it again because once again I only needed to see that once Had some fun get in get out And I like that it went a different route with things. That's how these should be done. Then there's the orista cats Don't care. Oh, they're interesting. They're put bed knobs and broomsticks So any little bit of animation is on this list bed knobs and broomsticks? Frickin 1971 still not born yet seen all of these movies Robin Hood is great that came out in 1973 Animal Robin Hood is solid.  Sorry went a little too long with that It's a great film very fun.  I forgot the names of some of these characters. It's been a long time I just remember it coming back to me. He's got the bird beak Fake mask on and then he puts the arrow through the other arrow Classic Robin Hood. They'll probably do a remake of it at some point and it'll be frightening because they'll have the 99% Too life-looking animals that are still CG rendered with no expressions on their face. Oh Can't imagine what that would be like 1977 introduces the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Okay, this is interesting This is the longest gap in time between movies. So 73 was Robin Hood We have a four-year gap between that and Winnie the Pooh Rescuers and Pete's Dragon all drop in 1977 three movies in one year and I can't say much about any of them Except for the rescuers was was a charming quaint little flick. I like rescuers down under better personally The Fox and the Hound in 1981 There might not be a more depressing film than that When those two part ways at the end when those two little buddies scamper away. Oh That's heartbreaking stuff It's powerful Please don't lie of action that ever 1985 gave us the Black Cauldron I recall reading several times that this movie bombed at the box office. I never saw it Heard it was good never never bothered to see it Nor did I see the Great Mouse Detective in 1986 also fascinating. I'm now born. I was born in 1982 I would have been three when Cauldron came out I would have been four when the Great Mouse Detective came out. My parents didn't show me either of them We didn't see them ever I would assume that this was a dark period in their life because they you know, they had me They're just trying to get through the day Movies were out of the question at this point Brave little toaster. I didn't realize that was a Disney 1987 I didn't realize that was a Disney. I'm hitting puberty at 40. I Thought that was fine.  This thing was ballsy. Not only do you have Disney characters in this? You have Warner Brothers. You got Mickey and Donald and Daffy and Freakin Bugs Bunny all in the mix here.  It's asinine and I love every minute of it Also, not technically a fully animated film. It's the quasi you have live actors with with cartoons But it's so well done. I had to say something about I also have a full review of Who Framed Roger Rabbit on the channel Adam does movies Oliver and company never really did much for me and then here's where we really get to the golden era the golden age of Disney, I don't know. There's different eras. There's the Renaissance. There's the golden age I'm not sure which is which I might have just said it completely wrong, but we are in an age right now with the little mermaid 1989 I Remember liking this movie a lot as a kid just because of the undersea adventures the colors the music All of it was great. The story is terrible So Ariel is the lamest Disney princess by far. She has zero personality She just kind of sings and looks cute and that's about it Her animal friends kind of carry it with Sebastian flounder scuttle the the whole nine yards They're doing it all and then Ursula as the villain is fantastic And this whole thing is very ironic because the new live-action little mermaid that's out right now is the complete opposite Hallie Bailey is really the only good thing in this film. Ursula Melissa McCarthy. She's phoning it in She's doing a good cosplay of the original definitely not elevating the material and the sea creatures are miserable the lifelike National Geographic-esque characters just just complete shit They don't have expressions on their faces because they're trying to render them Realistically and animals don't talk or move their eyebrows or do anything like you can't relate to these things They're not fun in the slightest Which is one of the many problems I have with these newer interpretations, but we'll get there. We'll get there What else do we got? Ducktales the movie treasure of the lost lamp. I was a big ducktales guy. I love the show love the whole Disney lineup back in the dis you had Bonkers at one point that was kind of when I checked out bonkers wasn't really my cup of tea But there was Animaniacs. There was the Aladdin cartoon. I think Little Mermaid had a cartoon at one point as well a lot of those Bigger properties ended up getting spin-off TV shows. It was pretty solid I was always confused why Jeannie was there and he wasn't in his human form, but we just ignored it They probably explained it away in the first episode that I didn't see oh We're getting to my favorite after the rescuers down under comes out in 1990 We have my favorite Disney animated film with a princess did favorite Disney animated princess film That is Beauty and the Beast till as old as time a skeely A true as it can be I'm not gonna keep going but the music in that flawless Probably my favorite. Well, it is my it's my favorite set of music In a Disney film in a film full stop I think just everything about it works Bell's a great Disney princess strong female lead doesn't need no man She needs a beast to ravage her she's stuck in a book until she's forced to live in the real world It's all it's all very well done very well handled I'm a big fan of this one not so much the live action again Which is too bad because Emma Watson seemed like a shoe-in for the role just just such a natural beauty such a natural talent Can't really sing very well the auto the auto-tune tried to carry her but Yeah, no, no, thanks And then we have back-to-back folks we go from 81's beating the beast to Aladdin Aladdin is good. You got Robin Williams is the genie who I Mean we could go on a full tangent about Robin Williams and just the interesting person He was but one of his big stipulations doing a Disney film was that he would not be used his character would not be used for merch For different things for people to buy and consume He didn't want that his art was the screen as art was the theater and He really wanted the genie to just be in the movie and not be plastered on posters and everything and Disney Absolutely did not keep their word and it pissed Robin Williams off And he would go on to not work for Disney for many many years until all the upper management was cleaned out New people came in and came back to Robin Williams and said dude Come back to us now. Please come back to us and he did and he signed I believe two or three movies to do with them all of them pretty awful flubber bicentennial man One more. I'm not sure and this is also why he's not the voice of the genie in the second Aladdin movie But I believe he's the genie again for the third one Aladdin 2 and 3 of course went straight to DVD straight to VHS probably back in those days I don't know if DVD was around yet Yeah, they're not good movies. They're they're passable though. They're passable The nightmare before Christmas 1993 people love this film. I'm Truly not a fan of it I think I would be Tim Burton's producing I think I believe it's the director of Coraline A lot of people tribute Tim Burton to directing, but I don't believe he did It's got the look I like it's got some music It's got some a dark atmosphere a fun Creative spin on holidays. I just don't it didn't jive with me. I don't really know why Something about it was just off the entire way through and people really like this movie and then we have Lion King 1994 baby now we're really getting into it Now we're really where I like to live. I'm 12 years old at the time. I'm seeing this movie in theaters This is one of the first movies. I remember going to in theaters animated movies where I was just freakin Just ensconced in everything on the big screen, of course, it's not the first movie I've seen in theaters, but it's the first one.  This is cinema. This is art That opening number is so Explosive the colors the the atmosphere the music It's all perfect and then they ruin it Shitty new version that made 1.6 billion dollars. It's one of the highest-grossing movies That's so depressing and it's entirely based on nostalgia Lion King man great film We're gonna jump forward. There's the goofy movie came out Pocahontas. Ah, whatever Toy Story 1995 You got a friend and me You got a friend and me no one's gonna listen to this podcast next time if I keep singing Toy Story was revolutionary The first 3d modeled animated film in theaters You can find some fun facts on it I unfortunately didn't get any but I remember reading that it would take days to render Single frames of animation for this thing. They had super computers running across around the clock to render Just small little segments of this film. I just Pixar pioneers in the industry now Really put it all out there and they had something special another film. I remember watching in theaters. I think my mom showed up late Me my brother my dad went this was we had a really terrible movie theater in Monticello There was no incline. I don't know who designed theaters originally, but they were mad men They were insane to not put this thing on a slope. So all the chairs were same height You're looking at the back of someone's head. This was a packed sold-out show. I couldn't see shit I'm watching this movie in between different crevasses different You know trying to sit and position myself in a way that I can dodge a person's hat and another person's hair and another person's jacket Just to make out buzz and woody on the big screen. My mom rolls in she couldn't believe what was was on the screen at the time No one could absolutely Earth shattering shit with Toy Story and now we got Toy Story 5 on the way All these years later still kicking Well, of course, I mean why wouldn't it the movies are all pretty damn good We're not done with the 2d though. There is a fun James and the giant peach that came out in 1996 The I like this movie. I haven't watched it since probably 1996 I just this was another one. It was kind of that Tim Burton esque stop motion very dark style It worked this time around just a very bizarre thing. I know this one wasn't by Disney. It was well Who's it say Skellington Productions? Disney probably distributed it They would go on to distribute a lot of movies that aren't actually there is Studio Ghibli or Studio Ghibli However, you pronounce that spirited away. I know is a Disney distributed film Hunchback of Notre Dame or Dame depending on how you want to say things Not my favorite. I know some people really like this one from 1996 We are gonna be getting to the tail end of 2d animation. It's gonna be going out the door here very shortly Hercules, it's a classic 1997 I am absolutely sure they're gonna live-action this one at some point. Good luck Mulan I Will say let me back up Hercules out of all of these Does have potential to be very cool to see again on the big screen I just hope they don't make it a musical and I hope they do try to tell a different spin on the story instead of doing a Shot-for-shot 99% remake. That's not interesting Here we have our second Pixar movie with a Bugs life then we have Doug's first movie Tarzan I'm not a huge fan of Tarzan either. You have like 55 songs by Phil Collins who I do like a lot. I Just don't I don't want to spend time in the jungle with Tarzan. I'm sorry Although Jane was hot Jane was Jane was good looking Tarzan was hot I mean he's like Tony Hawk Skateboarding on the vines going around loops pretty pretty clever what they did with him Did I skip over Mulan? I think I am Mulan's fine. There's a lot of fine-ish movies here It feels like they're really on the the 3d train now because Toy Story 2 comes out in 1999 And then we have Fantasia 2000 in you guessed it 2000 I Still don't care for Fantasia. I respect it. I respect the game, but I don't want to take part in it Toy Story 2 I think is better than the first Toy Story 2 still my favorite of the the Forology the quad the quad quad would G that's not a word The Tigger movie followed by dinosaur dinosaur not that bad Not too bad not to be confused with the good dinosaur that sucks dinosaurs good though And then we have the final well one of the final wait. Where's it at? Hang on Hang on a second Are they missing a movie off this list or am I just in the wrong order? Well, we're gonna say this one first and then I'll keep going and look for it, but I'm not seeing it here We have the Emperor's new groove. We are getting to the tail end of 2d We are there's like two more after this to my recollection Emperor's new groove is so freaking good probably my favorite Disney movie It's so different from everything they do. It's basically Tommy boy in a 2d animated style You have David Spade, John Goodman Cronk and Isma as the villains are some of the best villains you'll ever find the voice acting the animation It's all so damn funny and it works so well, and I don't think the movie did very well I think it it kind of bombed Which solidified things to Disney in their mind like okay? We're on the right track with his 3d stuff people don't want 2d anymore bad marketing hurt that one. I Guess there was recess then there was Atlantis Atlantis was also kind of weak. That's such a cool idea They just kind of fumbled it. It just didn't work. I Don't really want to go down Here's what we're gonna do We're gonna save Pixar for another Podcast because this could run for five hours if I talked about all the Pixar stuff, too We're keeping it to Disney, and I know Pixar and Disney are married. It's the same thing But we're gonna keep 3d animated movies for another pod maybe next week. We do that We'll see how I we'll see how I feel about it when we get closer to the end of this But we're really sticking with the 2d stuff, and I think brother bear Which I still haven't seen Home on the range, which I unfortunately did see the one with the three cows one of them's Roseanne bar I think horrible film and There should be one more. When did the princess and the frog come out? Why is that not on here this this needs to be updated. Oh, there it is 2009 for the princess and the frog the last hurrah for 2d Disney animation on the big screen It's been a long time. It's been a long day Without you my friend. We need to fictitiously pour one out For 2d Disney animation because it's all over Which is so sad because There's new 2d animation coming out that looks stellar. We have the new spider-verse movie next week Top of the line Animation we have a new Ninja Turtles movie done in kind of the same vein as into the spider-verse or as this one's known As across the spider-verse part one Really looking forward to both of those. I'm hoping Disney takes some inspiration Re-launches a studio that can make some beautiful stuff Honestly, since they're redoing this live at they're doing the live-action thing I would have much preferred if they just updated their 2d animation of some of these classics like You know would that have been hard to just redo the little mermaid again as an animated film But with the modern tech you keep the voices you keep the spirit intact You can still have those larger-than-life moments and the characters can still be expressive Which is I guess a good jumping off point to go to this second Shorter rambling section of the podcast, which is what in the hell is happening at Disney? I Listed off so many wonderful films so many creative movies that Work for both kids and adults alike Suspect it's a broad spectrum But in the last Six or seven years all we're getting now are soulless remakes and they really are soulless I'm looking at their list and lion king Aladdin the little mermaid These are all shot-for-shot. They make little tweaks here and there But for the most part you're sitting and watching a thing you've already seen before in a 4k high-def resolution But without the charm intact That doesn't work for me, and I know it doesn't work for a lot of people yet these movies will continue to exist Because they all make a ton of money Aladdin just shy of a billion it might have made over a billion actually Beauty and the Beast did The Lion King did we'll see how the little mermaid tracking, but I'm guessing it's gonna get up there, too People like nostalgia. That's why we still have sequels to fasten the furious. There's ten of them now That's why there's a new Indiana Jones movie coming out That's why Star Wars will never die, and they'll just keep going back to the Skywalker well Instead of telling new stories because risk management is a big thing in Hollywood and Disney knows this They look at their old properties and how well they're loved They look at their theme park and how they haven't changed anything in 50 years You can still go on the Peter Pan ride little mermaid ride the magic carpet ride these haven't been updated It's insane. They need to be updated. They're so bad now I went last year with my family and we just thought who's this park for? Ages five to eight because that really seems like the only people that are gonna get any thrills out of these anymore The rides are old. They're wonky. They need to be dusted off and polished and a new But there's one thing you won't find at any of the theme parks, and that's the modern character designs You don't see updated rides with the live-action versions of these characters Because that's not the thing people like Which makes me so Puzzled as to why they keep doing it Why keep coming out with these versions when you can make something new in the same universe? They've done it. They did it with Cruella. They did it with Maleficent. Why not do it with the little mermaid? You didn't have to make Ariel again. You could have had Halle Bailey play her sister It doesn't matter with Jessica.  There's so many tales to tell in all of these properties The Lion King didn't need to be a retread a lad and didn't have to focus on Jasmine and Aladdin. Maybe it's the genie's backstory of How he got suckered into going into the lamp. Maybe it's just another story in Agrabah It doesn't have to do with any of these people Jafar could still be the villain We know he's been shady for many many years. This isn't his first rodeo. We could have a young sexy Jafar maybe For the ladies It's just so uninteresting. I saw the little mermaid and I sat there So just stock Thinking man, what a tedious film this is to get through and why is it two hours long? Why does do all these live-action movies look so muddy and dark and Black energy Well, it's because of the art style It's because of the decision to go for this quasi realistic look to the characters The charm is sucked out of everything But when we keep voting with our wallet and saying we like these movies They're just gonna keep doing the lazy ones this lazy half-ass effort Why tell a new story when there's a perfectly good one if it ain't broke don't fix it, right? That's that's the motto and they are using that motto to a tee They did try recently Disney Studios again, these are 3d so I don't want to go into too much of them But you know strange world Came out came out laughed unceremoniously. No one cared about it. That was a Disney studio film. They also did recently Rye and the Last Dragon. I don't know how that that kind of came out during COVID though So a lot of people saw that at home. I didn't care for Rye and the Last Dragon I do like frozen and I do like tangled Those are good flicks Wreck-It Ralph was a good flick. They have it in them to still tell these great stories and Again, we can go into those more when we when we focus more on the 3d animated ones. I guess this is just more of a Collar complaint to Disney that hey listen You brought animation to life on the big screen and then you abandoned it because you thought people were uninterested anymore It's just not the case You made a few missteps with some of the movies and the marketing that came out But there is absolutely an audience for this type of stuff. Look how well into the spider-verse did And it's not alone.  I want more 2d animations I want to fall in love with this studio again because it doesn't matter how old you are believe it or not I know the internet seems to think that middle-aged dudes can't have an opinion on a film they're gonna be Disappointed to find out that rod and tomatoes is all certified critics that are like 40 like myself I am a certified critic if you're gonna use the target audience to review films Then the little mermaid reviews are all gonna be done by seven-year-old girls And that's just not really something that I need to hear from they don't know how to type really yet And that's a problem when you're gonna try to come up with a a cohesive coherent review online So yeah, you kind of have to listen a little bit to the 40-year-old guy because he has experience in the movie industry He's seen a lot of films knows a lot and same with the you know any any of anybody an 80-year-old lady Is gonna be a person I'll go to when I want to hear what she has to say about cinema I would find it very fascinating because there's life experience there And if you just want to hear what a little kid has to say about a movie that's definitely geared towards a kid Then you don't need critics and you're gonna go see the movie regardless and that's perfectly fine, too You don't need you know to listen to critics you only listen to any critics food movie Sports or otherwise you like what you like and that's enough But some people out there genuinely don't want to waste their money or don't really know what to expect from a flick Or don't have time to research it themselves and that's where someone like me comes in and says yep It's another live-action Disney movie. Just like the previous four or five. It has nothing really new to offer They sprinkle in one or two new songs that aren't very good They remove a song that you miss from the original they gender swap or they race swap or they do something to get people talking or Rile people up stay in the news and it's just so boring and paint by numbers It's not even worth getting upset about anymore because we have the originals and honestly They're better almost every single time anyways The only bummer is it's allocating resources time funds and rev and money away from other projects There's people giving scripts to Disney and other studios every single day. There are great scripts I guarantee you there are some of the most Creative amazing scripts out there that are just sitting and collecting dust because Disney and you know and other Studios are looking at their old properties and saying how can we get some more blood out of this stone? How can we take these people for what they're worth because nostalgia is selling right now not that new screen play over there? And that's what pisses me off Okay, there was my rant There is my spiel and my walk down memory lane when it comes to the Disney animated films and my thoughts on these live Action ones they're insulting they need to stop or they need to at least try a little bit and tell a new story in The same universe as before that's fine. You want to bank off nostalgia bank off of it, but do it with a little bit of respect You know Try a little bit. Just lie to me if you have to right before recording this podcast I asked my YouTube community if they had any questions pertaining to Disney animated films and thankfully a couple stepped up right at the last Minute here's a couple now Mr. Mosby asks have you seen any of the direct-to-video animated sequels to Disney Renaissance movies? If so, what are your thoughts? Okay, he says Renaissance, which makes me think that the Beauty and the Beast Aladdin fall under that and not the golden era like I said before I'm wrong a lot That's okay. You just have to live with it. Yes. I have I've seen the Aladdin sequels Which I think I mentioned before and now I've forgotten the titles of them I don't think I saw the stupid Beauty and the Beast winter wonderland Christmas extravaganza I did see the little mermaid sequels because my kids wanted to watch them. I don't mind any of them Lion King there was like Lion King one and a half or something Simba's pride Not really into any of them. The animation is always quite a bit worse. The voice acting's a big step down It's a cosplay of the other versions. So they didn't work that well I would say Aladdin's probably the better of the the sequels that went direct to DVD These types of movies that they did back in the 90s where they didn't go to theaters are the equivalent of basically Everything that goes straight to Disney Plus Pretty bad pretty half-assed attempts at sequels or full-on movies Next question comes from Chapman reviews What are your thoughts on the little mermaid to return to the sea and the little mermaid Ariel's beginnings or beginning? I guess wow, I just mentioned those and I don't really remember anything about them I know that Ariel's mom is in one of them and I think Ursula Is in the sequel as a hot mermaid? I Genuinely don't remember them. I think that they're watchable and probably nothing more I can't pronounce this guy's name, but he says which animated Disney film should Zack Snyder remake as a live-action Nothing can't be an answer You know what I'm gonna say the black cauldron because I haven't seen it and I know it bombed So if any movie deserves to probably get a second chance at life It's black cauldron and Zack Snyder's the guy for the job because it just sounds gritty Doesn't it it sounds intense and the man from 300 the man from Don of the dead the man from the DCE you back in the day He's gonna make it work Digital dosage asks overall Are you an ardent fan of Disney animation or just a casual viewer throughout the childhood and of course? Adulthood because you're a critic genuinely curious because I've just never been a big Disney animation fan But don't dislike these films or anything Okay, I Am a big fan. I think I've established that throughout this podcast. I grew up on Disney. I actually wanted to be a Disney employee I wanted to work for Disney as a freehand animator what turned me off was actually going to Disney World the first time with my folks When I was I don't know young teens Actually, I think it was probably nine eight or nine and I saw how the animators do their process an Instant turn off for me how they have to do frame by frame Tracing over top layers going back and forth constantly flipping the sheet on top of the other one I thought it was a nightmare and the fact that they don't even do an entire scene by themselves There'll be several animators working on one frame one guy's handling beasts the other's handling bell miserable But much appreciation for what those guys do a Complete labor of love Which is probably why once in a while they slipped in you know slipped in a penis or The leaves making out the word sacks because they were sitting there for hour upon hour a day I just thinking letting their mind wander and yeah guys, you know, we tend to we tend to go to some of the more perverse things Last question I'm gonna take is from video void TV. Have you seen Cinderella? It was one of the first it was different and quite good But didn't make as much money as the lifeless carbon copies have followed if you haven't I suggest a watch You'll be surprised video void. I assume is talking about the live-action Cinderella, which I did see and found kind of boring To his credit and the film's credit it is very much its own thing For better and worse. I just found it a little Lackluster all around now Maybe it's because I did go in with the assumption that it was going to be closer to the animated classic And I think that's probably what a lot of people were doing Which is another reason why disney shouldn't do this stuff They should definitely make New things or take stuff from that universe But a twist Cinderella was called Cinderella. It had the three step sisters It had the stepmother and it had sinned herself Cinder whatever the hell she was called in that It just was too close without being close at the same time. You have to do something different You have to do a male a maleficent or a cruella Otherwise you have to do this lifeless shot for shot stuff that people seem to like and you make a lot of money That's where disney's coming from and in that sense. They're right to do it But they're also very wrong at the same time Okay, well there you go. Those are some of the viewer questions. I appreciate it Thank you for listening into this episode next week. I'm guessing we're probably going to go down the pixar memory list And some of the 3d animated stuff that disney's putting out I talked about tangled. I talked about frozen. They'll be in the conversation. We got big hero six Lots of stuff to cover luka turning red I mean, they're just coming to me.  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Welcome to Toffey TV. It is the Everton News Daily reporting to you. He suggests that officials from Pesitus are flying in to try and convince Sheng Towson to come back to the club Everton. Sign them from, apparently they're the only club you feel like they've got a chance of bringing the player back with the Euros at the end of the season. They're hoping that he can persuade him to come back so that he can keep his starting position in the Turkish national side. Obviously Sheng Towson spent a lot of the summer trying to come back from that knee injury that he got playing for international duty four-take at the end of the season. He's always said that he's happier Everton, he wants to fight for his place at Everton, but with the emergence of Moneys Keane and obviously Dominic Arblun playing a lot more games with Charleston. And just the way Everton want to play in general, the options are being narrowed for Sheng Towson and if Everton maybe encourage him to go as well, we'll have to wait and see on that, but I'm sure Everton won't want to lose him because it's losing another player out of the squad that they're probably 50-50 on, but if the player chooses to go in and Everton get a good deal for him then, who knows that could happen before the transfer window closes. I still think there's a little bit of legs left in that deal yet to see whether that goes through. We'll have to wait and see. Luca Dean is a doubt ahead of Friday's trip to Aston Villa. He picked up a hand-trick injury late on in the win against Wofford. The good news is though that late Banes will be available for Friday if Dean is out, so hopefully Dean isn't out. He's obviously set up the goal on Saturday with a fantastic ball, so obviously we hope he's available. Bit too early to tell yet, nothing from the club as of yet. We'll have to wait and see on that one. Another defender Everton were linked with, well more than linked with, they tried to bring on loan Marcus Roho. Apparently he's still fuming at Manchester United officials for blocking that move to Everton on transfer deadline. United wanted to sell him rather than put him on loan. There's actual talk that the Glaciers didn't want to let him go to Everton at all because Everton are competing for that top six with themselves. They didn't want to strengthen a rival squad, but it looks like he's on his way to Fennabachy. He's had enough of him on United and wants a way out. A player Everton being linked with over the weekend, Frank Ribbery, madlon this. I just don't know why Everton would be linked with him, but it looks like he is going to rock up a quarantine for the season. It looks like he's going to get a free transfer there after being released by Munich at the end of last season. So, Florentine, he's going to try his hand in Italy. I don't know where that comes from. That's a bit of a madlon. A couple of stories about a couple of young Everton players. Fraser Hornby has been called up to Scotland under 21, Scott Gemmell. There is the coaches called them up. Does quite well for them. Remember he scored a hatrach recently is well for them, so does very well for them. Anthony Gordon was named best striker at the Unden 19's Orton Cup in Holland. Everton got to the third fourth playoff game, but the game didn't happen when Barcelona coach Victor Valdez decided the conditions were unsuitable for the players. I don't know whether it was too hot or hot, but that game never happened. He wasn't top goalscorer either, by the way, in the tournament, but was named the best striker. Played a couple of games in pre-season. Someone apparently, Michael Selver, really likes him, wants him to train with the first team. Fantastic for him. Want to keep an eye on one that Everton feel has got a real future in the first team. So, there you go. There you have it. This is the day's Everton News Daily. Not a lot about. Make sure to catch the final word when it comes out. All our videos from the weekend. If you like this video, give it a like. It helps the channel a lot. Subscribe if you haven't already and join us on Patreon if you want more videos. Thanks for watching. I'll see you later.


All right, welcome back everyone. Hopefully you had a good breakout session and what we wanted you to do in the breakout section just to recap and you can still enter in your solutions now is come up with up to three potential things you should do differently for running a large scale network design problem. The situation I gave you is that you're operating in Europe, you're manufacturing in a handful of different countries and you're distributing to all and so what should you do to try to come up with a plan that you think will be valid for five to ten years out and so the reason why I came up with this is because one it's this is something that's on everyone's mind who's designing a supply chain right now and there's some actual cases so for example Whirlpool which manufactures white good appliances like a washing machine's dryers things like that prior to Brexit the where Britain left the EU they had manufacturing in both in England in Great Britain as well as in France and southern part of France for both their dryers and their washers serving all of Europe and then because of Brexit they made decisions and they decided that the plant they're going to make that's in England will only produce product for England so we'll get a little smaller and then they closed the plant that was in France and moved it to loads Poland and so that will provide the rest of the UK so I mean excuse me the rest of the EU so what they did is they separated out now they didn't say I don't know how Whirlpool came up with this analysis but that's one of the results that came out for how they're changing their manufacturing network so Sergio what what do we get from some of the groups okay and please keep typing in your options okay so have a some a answer from a bar am I here so option one he says having a minimum capacity in relevant locations that are from 230 having additional capacity in every plan to buffer for uncertainty to achieve changing a product across facilities to manage uncertainty that option one no so so so essentially what we're saying here is add extra capacity so so the question so I think the big thing is hopefully people got the idea out of it you're going to have to run scenarios it's not going to be a one-time solution and in and so the real question is how would what type of scenario should I consider right and how would I what would I change for each of those potential scenarios and so what he put for option what he or she put for option one is what is all about it's almost a solution yeah it's all about a finale extra capacity so the whole idea of adding extra capacity and extra inventory is buffer that that could make sense but look what that would do for the that's one scenario where everyone has extra capacity but how would that help you model the uncertainty that would help you buffer if you think there's going to be demand uncertainty but the uncertainty here is different than what we talked about in our classes it's not just demand uncertainty which is what I really focused on when I did the New England root beer distributors case the real issue here is currency fluctuations or tariff changes between countries so going from from country a to country b what normally costs a thousand dollars a load might double and how will that change things so I think what you did for your first option is a possible solution but it's not a not something you would incorporate into your methodology you've already you're dictating a solution there but okay what was the second okay the second one is having production closer to seaports and a post okay so that could be a scenario where you move them closer but then so you just give them more options but again I think you're focusing a lot on solutions not methodologies to come up with a solution okay and the last one is explore contract partners manufacturing options today to address uncertainty yeah so that that's good but you should probably try to get a little finer grain but you could so you're presenting other options maybe we use a third party to do distribution where in a new country where we used to have operations because it's it's kept separate now no that's fair so what would you do so okay so in case if we talk about the methodology I think I will try to somehow estimate the potential new cost of the delivery transportation okay so for example UK or in this case England would be isolated mm-hmm so as you mentioned that the cost are gonna be higher you assume that's what I'm guessing that's what they did where the cost of distributing to Germany whatever suddenly increase so therefore makes sense not to distribute from there okay okay and I think that higher cost will penalize and will look for another option to know the places of a of you yeah and also I think the lead time mm-hmm so in this case you should be a larger than the initial and I think after that we a somehow to the estimate yeah because the lead time when we did some of the New England root beer stuff it was all about how far I can deliver from 1dc because we had a like we had to deliver within one day or two day or something like that you can think of the same thing here it was seamless if anyone's traveled in the EU the borders are frictionless but if suddenly they become with friction and it might take more time to clear custom so instead of an you know it's six a one-day trip it might turn into a one and a half or two-day so that might lead potentially as those tariffs as those time commitments go up to more DC's and it might lead to an ultimate strategy of every country has its own DC which is way back to pre-U days whenever country used to be operated independently from the others yep interesting okay let we have another potential a solution in this case is modeling risk management in the model with scores and acceptable overall risk score as a constraint as AC constraint so using Monte Carlo simulation on distribution of probability of disruptions so yeah that's a that's sounds really good it's very hard to come up with that distribution of disruption so what are the disruptions we're talking about currency fluctuations right because the idea is let's say France votes out of the EU if Penn wins the election what is the what does that distribution look like the pundits got the Brexit election and the US election wrong just wrong so do you how do you what probability disruption do you have for that I understand if I'm looking for like the probability of a hurricane or some weather or something that where you can look at over history these things political changes are not amenable to standard disruption kind of thing so that that's a harder one to do that's a go-to for a lot of people will be model it you assume a distribution it's a binary event and so you'd have to almost look and see what would what would happen there because some of the other things could happen they could implement a bat you know a value-added tax how does that change things so it's not so easy to say we'll just do supply chain disruptions and model with a probability that's why it's more of an art now and so I think what this would have end up doing is increase the number of scenarios that you have and you could try different levels because other things I've done in the past for things like this we tried to find something for example back in the early 2000s the price of fuel was much higher than it is now there's actually a glut of oil across the globe right now but when it was very high we tried to figure out and this was a project we did actually in Spain we tried to figure out what would your DC look like with the current price of fuel your your whole distribution network and then what would the price of fuel have to do where you would change what your network looked like and so the one way to do that is to repeated scenarios where you keep changing the price because you know your arc rather would increase in cost and at some point you go from say five DCs to three and it might change or five to seven because usually if you increase the arc cost then you're going to have more DCs closer to your markets right so we wanted to find out where that break point is because then that gives you an idea do I need to worry about this or not so one thing you could do let's say we isolate this down to the whirlpool problem and we could say okay if I'm producing in England and I'm shipping into the EU and the current cost is this what would it have to be where suddenly it would not make sense to ship and where I would ship that capacity to some other plant and you find where that break even is and if it's 10 more than what it is now then you want to worry about it if it takes you know a 5x then you know not to worry about it so the big underlying thing for this is to do multiple scenarios and not just to see point solutions but try to see if you can derive as best as possible where there's a break point where suddenly your network changes because some underlying factor changes and some of those would be the transit times which is a reflection of the customs currency fluctuations tax differential changes so you can do a series of runs to try one at a time what the impacts would be and if you have more time to try to change two things at once but generally it's easier told everything constant and change one thing and then have everything constant change another thing um as you get into changing multiple things at the same time then it gets a little tricky but if you think there's interactions then it does make sense so that was a long answer but the there is no single solution to this to this problem the big takeaway is you need to do multiple scenarios that are smart not just try it with 10 percent more 10 less you have to think about the underlying cost drivers there would the political cost drivers that would change your network design excellent thank you crazy we have a one question about the currency sure it's but found appreciated after Brexit with my still just the five experts from the UK yeah that's a good question um it it appreciate didn't come back a little bit I don't know how much it's come back because there's questions now it's such a fluid situation so a lot of times you want to it's a valid point you'd say what would the pound have to go down to where it actually makes sense to keep it in there and distribute it that it's a valid point so these models what's cool about them you can have all these different assumptions and test different ones so I could see a simple two by two where you look at the differential in the currencies right have a pound if it keeps depreciating that it might make sense to produce more there um but then the customs and any kind of the trade costs any barriers or additional costs for distributing you'd also have to look at at the inbound cost for the raw materials and see does it still make sense to bring that in to to anyone does that change things because you've got two you got coming in for the raw materials going out as a finished product and you have to look at how those um costs map up against a value evaluation for the the pound itself okay thank you very much and you you're talking about these these scenarios and we have a question and we call these sensitivity analysis this generation of yes scenarios is the same as well the doing scenarios gets you at sensitivity analysis right how sensitive is my model solution to certain things right and so I can increase um so like in the example I gave with the price of fuel what we did there was just keep increasing the price of fuel which naturally increased the cost of of distribution and so at some point you hit something and the network change there's always going to be some dead zone where it has no effect changing the price of the holding cost by one percent might not have any effect or it might be right at that break point where it totally changes things it's always helpful to know where your parameters are because then you need to make a quick decision do I care should I care about this or is it something that's really important or is it something that you know what the value would have to increase by 10x for it to change my underlying structure and that's that's the trick that's the art to try to get one to identify what those drivers are and then two how do I incorporate them into my model because all the model does is fixed invariable costs on nodes and orcs that's it right that's all that it really does so you have to try to use the take the political and map it in to the things I have available for me in the model okay thank you and we have another question from from head does this problem meet with what many manufacturers had to deal with in operation in Hunton and facing the July 1, 1977 they changed in governments yeah that's you know I I'm not sure exactly what they did in 97 I think there is there's less manufacturing in Hong Kong more trade for that but I know a lot of decisions are being made there when Great Britain they had to hand over back to the Chinese government for the for Hong Kong and it's still evolving because remember nothing was supposed to change and now there are changes happening so I'm sure they did for scenarios maybe for different industries I think it affects the finance industry and shipping industry more than pure manufacturing because I think by that time a lot of manufacturing left Hong Kong for cheaper labor locations but absolutely people there's a lot of uncertainty about what would happen as soon as the the government changed same thing happens in Latin America all the time right because there's a lot of uncertainty look what's happening in Venezuela General Motors just pulled out of Venezuela as a whole because the state took over appropriated its plans so this stuff the political stuff it's so hard to predict and that's why in basic classes we usually say okay look at demand fluctuation because the political stuff it's tough and as you'll see if you take sc3x a lot of the decisions of where to locate plants and DCs and things it's driven by taxes and so we'll talk about a case where the pharmaceutical industry there's a reason why most of it moves through Puerto Rico in the United States it makes no supply chain sense but it makes incredible tax sense because of incentives that are there there's a reason why Ireland is known for a lot of medical devices it's a tax incentive so with these political things changes a tax incentive can be changed overnight and so if you build your supply chain on stilts and something when it still gets chopped off then you've got to rebalance yourself so that's why the political uncertainty seems like it's it's not as important it is what drives a lot of the financial incentives and taxes that underlie most supply chain network designs at a global level and so your trick is part of the art is how do I incorporate these softish kind of things that I don't know with certainty into the modeling which has very hard levers that I can change fixed and variable cost nodes and arcs and then some kind of constraints yeah so that's a challenge we have another question would it be fair to say that we need to model against the outcomes transit customs and not believe the event the election in this case that's that's a really good point so um in sc3x I talked about scenario planning and this would fit into some of that and the beautiful thing about scenario planning um what we talked about is instead of trying to predict the future and I call it like boxing where you try to do a point forecast everything we did in sc1x when we did exponential smoothing or causal analysis to come with a point forecast like boxing where scenario planning it's you say here's an outcome how would I adjust to it and so when we talk about scenarios here for network design we're saying the world is going to look like this what would your supply chain look like in a world like this when customs takes twice as long the trade bearers of a certain amount so what we're doing is we're saying there is a situation how would you have the optimal design in that world um and so what this allows us to do is move away from trying to predict different events to understanding their effect so that's the challenge for an event an event could be brexit it could be the same effect that brexit cause could have been caused by a war could have been caused by a certain pandemic where you can't have things coming in from england to the rest of the coast think of the the zombie apocalypse if it happened right but anything like this there are many many many events that will have the same effect on your supply chain and so one way to boil the ocean and not try to predict every possible event that could happen is to think back what are the main effects on my network and for the case with whirlpool it was where to manufacture and where to distribute from so the idea was if if england gets isolated then it can't produce out what would my that that's an effect there might be many events that cause that so i think what the question was was can i focus on the effects and not the events because it's impossible to predict and forecast events from happening it is easier to prepare for effects that are caused by multiple potential events did i answer the question yeah i think so okay thank you thank you please we hope we still have time for it for a couple of questions can you read it right yep we don't have any all right any final comments Chris no i think i've talked enough okay excellent thank you so thanks again guys for joining this just a couple of reminders the verification upgrade deadline is made the third okay we have two due dates for data assignments the due date for week one data assignment is April 26th that's tomorrow and the due date for week two week two data assignment is made there so you have one extra week for this okay so enjoy the material and see you next time all right see you guys bye