People of the internet welcome to modern-day debate tonight. We are debating the flat earth and we are starting right now I am your host Kaz of the atheist edge and joining me tonight is T jump Amy Newman Flatter-day Saints and Nathan Thompson. I'm sorry Nathan Thompson yes, I'm sorry right. Yeah, anyways Tonight they will have 12 minutes of opening statements for each team split between them six minutes each person Six minutes 60 minutes of opening open discussion and then 35 minutes of Q&A We will begin with the round earthers. So T jump will go first T jump at your first word. I will begin your clock We've been to space. We can literally see the world is round. I don't know why they don't believe NASA Conclusion All right, T jump. Thank you so much and Amy at your first word. I'll begin your clock Thank you. Hello everyone. My name is Amy Newman You can find me at youtube.com slash Amy Newman where I do comedy with my co-host James W as I am a comedian counter-apologist and academic with degrees in graphic design game development visual effects Education and information technology. I tend to take a Socratic method in these sort of topics because I think that's how we truly get to know someone's viewpoint Speaking of which flat earth on child because the earth is innocent of being flat Yet on charges of being round the jury finds our planet thick That is to say a globe or specifically any ellipsoid sphere with slightly squished poles and a Bolge at the equator Isaac Newton was one of the first to make this prediction because of the earth's rotation Along with his theory of gravity which answers the question. Why do massive objects get round? Like a moon the stars and yes Every planet including our own Well gravity is constantly pushing everything inwards from all sides kinky If the earth was flat or a disc gravity would change as you move towards the edge Sure at the center you would feel a downward pull But as you move away from that center towards the edge Gravity would be pushing us from other sides Someone could throw a baseball on a level ground then it would fall backwards Though many natural Philosophers knew about the shape of the earth being around Thousands of years ago the ancient Greeks like Erasosities who found out by recording shadows Directly at noon with one tower being directly overhead Casting no shadow in the city then in another city at the same time Shadows casting at angles as if they were moving differently at the same time Something only possible one globe which would become useful as we implement time zones Since on a spinning round earth We produce a single rotation or a day night cycle with some of the people on earth having day and others having night Gradually, which is another way that we know the world is round because sailors have Circumnavigated the planet sailing across the group globe Which is now possible in the form of an economic flight as Pilots have flown across the world only to come back on the other side Something that is only possible on around earth now one could presume that a flight Earth debate is about science It's not the vast consensus of scientists say the world is round So then what are we talking about? Really, we're discussing a Pistemology a fancy word for how do we know what we know and if the answer is only personal experience then Sciences out the door because the entire process of science is trying to weed out our own personal bias by putting forth Experimentations collecting data then inviting others to do the same by publishing one's methodology Along with the results in a peer-reviewed journal what we're actually talking about is a theory verse a Conspiracy theory a mindset that is driven to presuppose nefarious powers on grand scales For which they have little evidence for in their worldview It's actually the scientists in cohorts with sinister political forces to control our minds Flat earthers share a lot with young earth creationists who say they are skeptical of evolution the big bang or The earth being four point five billion years old However, when we ask them for a model or really any Logistical questions on how a young or flat earth would operate They will quickly talk about something else or plead a fox Skepticism and while I don't know is often the correct answer Especially when we don't know something if you're gonna disagree with all of the data that scientists gather You once again may be a conspiracy theorist And I don't want to use ad hominems a fancy way of me trying to insult their personalities However, I find this complaint mostly comes from the conspiracy theorists themselves But more on that in a second and I quote from the article differential susceptibility to misleading flat earth arguments on youtube YouTube has been an info has been influential in propagating flat earth ideology But not everyone is equally susceptible to the effects of watching these videos in an experiment with a Participant pool restricted to regular youtube users. We found that lower science intelligence and higher conspiracy mentality increase individuals susceptibility to flat earth arguments on youtube in fact these two Dispositional variables interact Whereas people with lower conspiracy mentality do not find arguments compelling at any level of science intelligence Among those with a higher conspiracy mentality perception of argument strength decreases as science intelligence increases and quote and Yeah, fundamentalist religious thinking and conspiracy thinking share a lot in common It's them first mainstream science though. They're not publishing papers. They're not writing in journals They can't answer any question when it comes to their worldview on any logistical experimental and predictable way so what we normally get our Words of projection How many cartoons do we have to watch of your round-earth? Religion from your glow priest the hoax and fairy tale is that it's being spread by you know science Sorry, but no Thanks for using those words in a negative manner. That's one step in the right direction But when it comes to a flat earth on trial a scientific theory will always be a Conspiracy theory Thank you All right, thank you so much Amy and with that we will kick it over to our flat earthers So I believe Nathan he said you wanted to go first so with your first word. I will start your six minute clock Great. I want to thank the channel modern-day debate for hosting I want to thank you know the people I'm debating and my partner here Flatter-day Saints who I've spent some time with in Ventura, California He's a brother for sure great host. It was great spending some time with you also, I want to thank the guests or everyone listening to the debate too because Hopefully I can impart some knowledge or some wisdom on you about the flat earth The truth really is incontrovertible malice will attack it ignorance will try and deride it But in the end there it is and I always say you can lead a globe earth or two flat water But you cannot make them think quickly about the shape of the earth now if you don't know who I am I used to run the largest flat earth group in human history. We had a hundred and fifty-five thousand members We did not allow cursing or insults and Still our group got deleted. I've done over 300 flat earth meetups I think I hold the record for meeting the most flat earthers They're honestly great people very intelligent. I've been at flat earth debates where we had two PhDs in the same Room both of them were flat earthers So to think that oh, we just didn't go to school or we just reject everything we're taught That's not the case. Flat earth is about testing earth yourself and holding fast to that which is true so On top of having the group deleted. I've also been censored. My Instagram was deleted around 12,000 followers My YouTube was deleted around 17,000 subscribers. I've been kicked off Skype. I've been kicked off Venmo I lost my yahoo account with my email I've been kicked off Tinder and my personal Facebook page has been blocked for 30 days Approximately 50 times. So I spend more time blocked than I do actually on social media Why is that? Well, let's get right into it. I've got a speech. I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen here share screen and I've got a thumb drive here.  He's done about flat earth and we've also got videos on here About a thousand memes and what I'm gonna get into is my keynote speech. So Give that a second to load real quick guys All right, warning this presentation contains content that some people may find disturbing No one's asking you to believe what you're being told without questioning it But at least hear me out also search the scriptures if you're a Christian and do your own research and experiments Okay, the most important first off does the earth spin? Okay, take a poll most people will agree that the earth spins. They'll say it's the cause of day and night That would necessitate on a ball twenty four thousand nine hundred one miles around that at the equator It's moving a thousand thirty nine miles an hour What would the spinning earth do to our atmosphere? How would it affect it? Would it cause it to rotate as one cohesive synchronized body or would it rotate as if a giant blender? First let's look at it moving as one cohesive body The problem with this not only is this not what mainstream science teaches, but You would actually have the higher layers traveling faster to keep up with the surface of earth What natural force could do this? There isn't one a column of air will not move as one cohesive body as a result of moving your hand back and forth through The air or as a result of the earth spinning a thousand miles an hour That doesn't happen. So Moving on to the next one earth Acting as a giant blender The atmospheric blender So, you know, this is an indisputable law of fluid dynamics ladies and gentlemen The uh, there would be what's called a coriolis effect where Hot air balloons Helicopters drones would all experience the earth Moving under them and it would move faster towards earth surface the air and then it would get slower and slower as it gets higher in altitude This doesn't happen. Okay. That's why there's also no videos of the earth spinning from space because the earth is stationary now Next I want to talk about The vacuum of space could the atmosphere even exist without a physical barrier around it I I don't think so. Okay. All gases need to be contained. You can check nasa's website. They admit that on there So for example, it's like asking Could a tire rim have air pressure around it without a tire? Thanks very much moderator. Um, no, it could not It simply couldn't you would have to have a tire there to have air pressure around a tire rim Gravity can hold the atmosphere to earth when a stronger force is pulling on it from the outside Now since I'm short on time, I'm going to skip right to some flat earth information here. We've got about Six lighthouses should be obscured by 329 feet. This one should be obscured by 777 feet should be obscured by 1,429 feet obscured by 667 feet 987 2047 feet Then you've got the world record photograph. This wasn't even taken by flat earth This is just some camera nerd wanted to see how far his camera could shoot 275 miles that's 50 416 feet of missing earth curve. Let's look at the world record for the longest microwave link distance We're talking 225 kilometers. That's six minutes Great one second. I'm going to go into uh, drew's time real quick and then that would equal 2.6 miles Of earth curve that you're seeing through and these uh microwave have fretinal zones Which means the waves travel up and down they have to completely clear the fretinal zone with these microwave repeaters I'm gonna go ahead pass it over to drew. Thanks for a little bit extra time there drew go ahead, buddy. All right. Thank you. Um So this is just an introduction. I'm not gonna Try to debate with what Amy said right now. I guess so um, I'm just gonna start off and give a couple things that um To me as a human being from the time I was born would lead me to believe that earth Obviously, it's not flat like a countertop. You know, it has inclines and declines And mountains and whatnot, but for the most part it appears to be level and stationary That's from my that's from what I've witnessed Growing up. So the first thing is we see no curvature anywhere Like I said, there's curvature going down and up as far as like mountains and valleys But for the most part when I look at the ocean or any anywhere really Train tracks for the most part is it's flat as far as I could see so To me the the globe isn't real because I can't I don't experience it for myself. So the second thing is I don't feel any movement or spin Um, nobody nobody can write truthfully unless they're insane say that they feel the the spin of the earth third the sun and the moon appear to be the same size, uh The when the sun and the moon are at their largest is when they're rising in their setting That's also when they're at their least brightest just like a flashlight shine on a wall when they're smaller like high noon um The moon in the sun are a lot brighter Just like a flashlight you could do that experiment on a wall t jump could fill you in on that The fourth thing would be the um the only time you've been taught in school that something that's um something that's um Something that's in contradiction to what they're currently teaching at that moment is thought to be of stupidity or or or something That's ignorant, but I clearly remember that when I was taught the globe I was also taught how stupid flat earthers were and they laugh and everything at school So that brings me on my fifth point, which is santa claus Um, you can rearrange the letters. It says st. Lucas. That's not even relevant. Um, it's it's basically The first lie that we're taught that I can remember in my mind that So you learn about santa claus right a few years you learn about santa claus at the same time you're being told It's bad to lie, but you're you're getting a told by lie, but people you trust the most right So you learn about santa claus and then right around the time when you start first grade when they start indoctrinating With the globe telling you how dumb flat earthers of the earthers are you start learning that santa claus isn't real So it's it's that perfect transition switch and I think they got it down to a t the perfect age and in the perfect environment Everything for kids who've been indoctrinated and this they got it down to a t. I give them mad props um Yeah, so that's the first remembered lie, but at the at the same time We're all told that that we shouldn't tell lies, but we're lied to about that, right? um, any anybody that I've talked to About um flat earth before their first reaction is like mine like I don't even want to debate this This is ridiculous. I don't even have time for this. You know, my chick came to me one day And she told me she thinks earth is flat even like dude. Seriously get away from me. I don't even want to talk about it um Not to mention the even more horrible things they do when children are born they circumcise and they say that It doesn't hurt the child screaming. It's probably um, you know Built right into his uh, his memory bank on that for being traumatized x-rays to a pregnant woman sonogram I'm trying to find out what sex it is if god wanted you or if the super creator wanted you to know what sex Your baby was he would have made women stomachs transparent bro. Um Besides that I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to what amy was saying Um, but not right now. So how much time do I have left? Okay Okay, cool. Okay. Well, then I will get into it. Okay, so Amy says a theory versus a conspiracy theory. Um Well, obviously a theory is going to be more believable than a conspiracy theory, right? Um, because why would why would people with billions of dollars try to conspire against useless goyim, right? Um, and she kept saying that the earth has to be round Well, what if a coin could a coin would a coin have to be round? Or could a coin be a different shape? It's a rhetorical question Um, I just want to touch on the word science real quick So the word science comes from science scientia, which was the name of the Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden which eve ate from so yeah That word to me is used for describing the science of like knowing how to control diseases the science of like global warming and the science of Space and all this other stuff. So it the word science is so generally used now It sounds like people use it more than like Jesus or the devil even science science I trust the science How can I trust something that doesn't even have a heartbeat or a brain something that's not even flesh and blood? I'm not gonna trust that Amy I'm done Hey, real quick. You got a minute left. I just want to touch on Amy said you wanted to talk Amy said we circumnavigated so that proves it's a globe I don't know I go on walks every day with my dog where I circumnavigate the block and I end up right where I started I guess that only works because my my block the block I live on is a ball And actually sailors used to use celestial navigation Which is basically figuring out where they are using the stars And I've taken video of stonehenge before it was demolished. It's called astro archaeology It's lining up megalithic structures to the sky. It's also evident in the pyramids, but The sky is a map and a clock. That's why we have 88 constant lations constellations They're fixed in the sky. The sky is a repeating pattern. It's pattern It's cyclical in nature and that only works on a flatter. That's where we get watches from And what else we got gravity pushes everything inward according to your religion everything has Some form of gravity attached to it because everything physical has mass And so everything should just be a ball on your religion.  Also, you don't see different features on the moon from different locations on earth Which if the moon was a ball that would happen. Tom says, I don't know why we don't believe nasa Well nasa is literally the word used in the old testament when satan beguiled e the word beguile in hebrou is nasa nasa so i'm going to show you guys that real quick and then i'll end So there you go, you can check it out for yourself But do your own research ladies and gentlemen. Don't be deceived by nasa All right, thank you so much. Nathan. Thank you as much for anything saints and thank you so much Amy and t-jump. 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Um, i'm not sure the name of his interlocutor. I'm so sorry about that But uh, I didn't have time sorry That has that happens when uh, I thought that it was 10 p.m. Uh anyways, uh in We will go ahead and kick it into the uh open discussion now 60 minutes at your first word ladies jumpy go ahead I just have a question about just dog walking Did in any chance? Did you start in one direction and then go all across the earth and end up on the other side? First of all impressive first second of all, hope your dog had water, but yeah, I really want to know Well, you said circumnavigation only works on a globe, but I can circumnavigate my neighborhood with my dog and my neighborhood Is not a globe Amy I I mean I agree with the last sentence, but I guess I just want to know if you did circumnavigate the world You know you came back the other end. I haven't navigated the earth. It was one of your proofs. Have you circumnavigated the earth? No, because I trust in science and this isn't a science debate Even though you may think it is it's that you don't guys don't trust science and we do That that's the point that's just the name from the tree in the in the garden of eating actually Same the science deals with cause and effect. Amy. Uh the shape of earth is not a cause and effect It's a what is question So you're right. The the shape of the earth has nothing to do with science There we go ladies and gentlemen It's a what is question like you you don't determine an apple is brown Are spherical by doing science on the apple you can just look and observe the apple and conclude that it's spherical Do you quite think the earth might be I don't know a little bit bigger? Yeah, 24,901 miles around which would necessitate a downward curve of 0.666 feet in all directions Eight inches times the mileage squared That's your model. So have you ever gone out and verified earth curving in all directions. Amy I have not once again. See this is the this is the globe earth religion ladies and gentlemen It's blindly believe everything you're told from the mainstream government And never test anything yourself. How about tom? You ever left your clam couch? I want to come back to it Tom, you ever left your clam couch and verified earth curve in all directions Uh, I'm a nasa employee. I've literally been to space. I've seen it. There you go. There we go a real nasa shill Hey, hey, not metaphysically or metaphorically or theoretically, but you've literally I've been to space All right. So tom's lying. Uh, that's a great way to To get zero credibility in the debate tom. Just so you know Hey, hey, I can literally just go to google and see space right now lots of pictures So I've been to space. There you go. Hey, so if if I were to be able to go on my computer and look at some pornography Would I be being with a woman? Uh, you can look at pictures of bigfoot. Does that mean bigfoot's real? You can look at pictures of the Loch Ness monster. You can pick up look at pictures of zelda Does that mean zelda's real? No. Okay, those if they were actual pictures. Yes I have to admit that they're images. They're not even pictures the pictures The guy who is Did the most famous picture for nasa the blue marble admitted he started with a blank circle And it's photoshopped because it has to be That's the other pictures Hubble pictures bio pictures Uh, james web tells go pictures. I got you guys just nuts You can't take pictures from a medium that violates natural law t jump Can you have gas pressure without a container Yes All right, where can you demonstrate it? Any of the other forces can contain gases without pressure Forces strong force containers. I asked you to demonstrate. That's that's that was the point. So can you have uh Gases being held together without a container. Yes use forces forces can do that Can you demonstrate it? Yeah, all all of the forces hold gases together I heard you the first time can you demonstrate it What what do you want me to demonstrate that the strong force is a thing? No, demonstrate very clearly. I'll speak slowly so you can understand t jump. I don't know So the question is what do you want me to talk to your administration james moderator? He's just interrupting me. I can't even say a word. It's interrupting beta. Let me insult him. Let me insult him So again, you have to tell me what exactly you want me to demonstrate I just want to ask my question again for the third time Can you show me gas pressure without a container? Yes, all of the forces do that. It's been proven. Boom done That's not a demonstration. That's just you babbling What what you want like a video of the forces working like guess what your hand is made of stuff and something holds it together And that same something holds gases together Oh, man My hand isn't a gas t jump. Can you demonstrate for the fourth time forces work on other things too? It's the same force whether it's a solid or a gas or a liquid same force like ice cubes They don't like suddenly transition to a new force when they melt Solids don't require a container. They hold their shape and they have a fixed volume according to nasa. This is the phases of matter NASA website. Why you got to stop talking while i'm talking. I'll let you talk after t jump. Don't worry. Okay Liquid see the underline takes the shape of its container gas Takes the shape of its container now for the fifth time And then I'll stop asking because you obviously can't demonstrate it and then you show me gas pressure without and then gas Yes, would I be able to show a video in a second just a few seconds of Like one or two. All right t jump said yes show me Go for it But but yeah, like so all of those things like a solid Why does a solid hold its shape because it's held together by something? A force and that force holds all things together. That's why liquids are wet because of a force. That's why gases Move when you like wave your hand through them because of a force And so is that why the plane sprayed the white trails from that force? That's that's like oxygen and carbon dioxide. What it's water vapor I got you. This is not star wars, bro. I know you're trying to use the force But can you just show me a demonstration for the sixth time? Amy Amy can show the videos whenever she wants like there are forces the strong force The weak force the electromagnetic force like you you understand electricity is a thing right and it holds stuff together. That's why magnets work None of that is proof. You can have gas pressure without a container. So for the seventh time do No, that is proof. That is proof. Do forces hold things together. Yes or no, can you demonstrate? Yes, I can yes. I can do forces hold things together. Yes or no You're asking me questions. That's not proof.  Yeah, it's a question. Do forces hold things together Can you demonstrate gas pressure? Bro? Bro? Why are you evading the question? Why can't you answer the question? Because because you just know you're wrong. I've asked you this question eight times and now I've answered it eight times I said yes. Yes, I can that is that that is the answer. Yes is the answer Now your turn do forces hold things together. Yes or no Well, let's see that Now you got to answer mine. Do forces hold things together Sometimes sure Okay, thank you. So are what do you acknowledge that there are different forces like strong weak electromagnetic? Those forces are real So are you going to just keep asking me questions? Are we going to seek gas pressure without a container working on it? We're getting there So um, do you acknowledge that there are forces like the strong weak electromagnetic electricity is a force All right, so for the audience we'll ask him 10 times and he can't demonstrate That's what the video we're working on it. The video is getting there be paid that's not gas pressure in the video. Einstein That's liquid. Well, I don't have control over the video. We're working on it and I was This these two videos are just really when you brought up liquid and how it's turning it into A ball. Oh, it's not no container liquid. No container. Pwn Oh, isn't that that gentleman whose wife got shot in the face in arizona about 10 years ago Jesus, I don't see a long rest of the prayer for gabby gifford real quick. Wait. Wait. Okay That was a weird set of jokes. I'm not even sure. I'm sure I wasn't joking. I don't think that's a joke I think I think it really does believe someone So for the audience we have not seen a demonstration of gas pressure without a container What we have seen is the nasa website saying gas pressure Requires a container. Now you think earth's a spinning ball with water contained to it Can you demonstrate water sticking to the outside of a spinning ball? Well, that's literally on the screen right there. Um, we can we can make a spinning ball and stick water on it You get that that that's a spinning ball Hey, um, I just wanted to say one thing. Um The gentleman who was in the picture behind that spinning ball He has a go fund me account for his wife. She had to go through a lot of physical therapy and stuff So I'm just saying he go fund him I did You funded the nasa astronauts. No, I sent money to his go fund me to help for his wife when she was in the hospital I mean, I have no idea if that's true If it's a good it sounds like you're a good thing it almost sounds like you're setting up a joke But somehow we got the charity so Okay, so can we see a demonstration of water sticking to a spinning ball That was a spinning ball and there was water on it. Uh, that water was sticking to itself not a spinning ball Do you not think there could be a rock inside of that with very little difficulty? Let's see. Can I actually Can you demonstrate or am I gonna have to ask 10 times again to demonstrate your claim? What sure I mean all this can be demonstrated You've you've actually been shown videos of gas pressure without a container before so that's been demonstrated to you All right. Well, let's see it. I don't remember where it is. You can ask red dredder Sorry, mom. My dog ate my proof. Oh, okay. Cool story, dude On youtube so you can find it is there. I don't need to give it to you. It's like it's pretty obvious Ask anything anything None of you guys will ever do experiments or at least I'll ask you if not an experiment specifically is not just like I went out on a road trip and I put a flag like I collected data. I Took my methodology and put it on a journal So that other people could take that methodology and try to prove me wrong An experiment is a hypothesis test a hypothesis has an independent and dependent variable It's cause and effect relationships. Yes, I have done tests and observations on the earth But I've never experimented on the shape of earth because the shape of earth is not a cause and effect Relationship. I already went over this. It just you keep asking for an experiment that doesn't exist because you're scientifically Imitate me That sounds like an ad hominem, but okay. It sounds like you're a hot kippa crit No, so I have personally tested earth for five years using lasers mirror reflection tests high power zoom cameras Heliscopes we rented a helicopter and we saw the entire shot chicago skyline from kanosha And you guys haven't tested earth once to verify any of your plans Can I ask you say rent it? I've just heard I've been I was trying to find it But there's a fantastic bill burr like anti flat earth streets because he is a pilot in helicopters I just want to know if you have any expertise in helicopters the federal aviation administration trains pilots on the tgf It's called the target generation facility and not only do they train pilots on a flat non-rotate. Okay Oh, you got to interrupt me again. Oh, you don't like hearing the truth. Well, it's all right. I'll continue Okay, the FAA trains pilots on a tgf. It's a target generation facility Not only is it flat and non-rotating, but they negate a gravity vector What do I have to do with the question? She was talking about pilots and I told him how pilots are trained talking about pilots and then bringing up an Irrelevant fact about pilots isn't answering the question and you could pronoun me any way you want I just want to know the answer once again was no on the expertise like in any type of flying or No, I'm not a pilot any I spent five years testing the earth surface myself with lasers mirror reflection tests High power zoom cameras telescopes. We rented a helicopter with a pilot. I'm sure you did Yeah I did there's video of it I'm sure there is but I got my answer the answer is no There's zero video of you or t-jump testing the earth to verify. It's a globe curving in all directions point 66 speed Except science you don't I'm sorry t-jump. So I want to go back to forces you admit forces hold things together, right? So can forces hold gases together? Can you demonstrate gas pressure without a container then I will agree? All right, show me You've been shown before I'll reference the previous video So the audience because we've got no wait you're evading the question the question was is can forces hold the gases together Not without a container So why do you think they do hold together? Do you think that if there's no container They're just going to dissolve to not gases to plasma. It's called the second law of thermodynamics entropy Yes, when you put your hand on a hot stove the heat moves in your hand when you puncture a car tire The high pressure air moves from the high pressure to the low pressure. It's called entropy t-jump That's why you can't demonstrate gas pressure without a container So if there's no container the gas will dissolve into not a gas will it stop being a gas?  No, gas is gas So something's holding it together, right? It's got to stay because if it's if it dissolves to nothing This becomes a plasma or something right? It's called a container. Something is definitely holding it together.   That's the question. No, it'll still be gas to jump Okay, how is it still gas if it's not being held together by something then it would dissolve into not gas It would stop being a gas. It would become a plasma. So something has to be holding it together to keep it to be a gas What is it a container? I've said that about 15 times No, remember you just admitted that if there's no container It will still be a gas which means something has to hold together the closest container until it finds you bro Come on. Yeah, gas pressure is defined by gas Pressing against the walls of its container t-jump. No, no So a gas is you got neutrons and protons and then electrons, right?  I have demonstrated those in the lab. Have you tested it? Those are those are very Yes, no t-jump hasn't tested anything Oh, literally you test this in college all the time this stuff is like easy to test Wow, they taught it in school so that makes it a hundred percent true Yeah, so that's a lot of testable predictions. You say novel testable predictions are confirmed Yes, those are very easy to test. I don't know why you don't think do you think particles aren't a thing Is that how far your your flatter mind goes? Can you demonstrate gas particles being contained without a container t-jump? Well, I literally just asked you if there's no container would they still be a gas and you said yes So you just admitted they do But it wouldn't be to be grasping and be see they'd be seeking the closest container Well, that's fine But so it's still be a gas which means something has to hold it together, right? Gas is made of smaller stuff, right? And so if it if nothing's holding together it's going to fall apart to nothingness No, no what what it does is it leaves wherever it's at without a container and searches for the closest container Okay, but I'm not asking about a wall. I'm saying will the gas remain a gas or will it fall apart? It has parts, right? Yeah, but it won't remain it won't remain where it was I don't care if it remains in the location. My question is is will it remain your questions connected You're still not demonstrating a vacuum without a container without pressure bro I'm not trying to that was never a part of my question. I'm asking you a question So if gas will remain a gas without a container Why why is it remaining a gas? Why doesn't it dissolve into something smaller?  It really doesn't matter what what you're asking because it's it's it's almost like a redundancy in what you're saying So the fact that you don't understand it doesn't make it irrelevant your inability So so if yeah, this is very very basic like super easy logic that most people understand There's logic if there's gas that has no container and it doesn't dissolve into nothingness Something else has to be holding it together keeping it to be a gas Exactly the weak when it's not as close as container No, those are not mutually exclusive Friday those are the same so it doesn't matter if it seeks a container That's not a force. Why the question is is why does it maintain its gaseous state? If there's no container The answer is the weak nuclear force. It holds it together So it'll be a gas. It's a non sequitur. We're talking. You said that's my answer.  No, your answer is saying it will seek a wall is irrelevant That's not mutually exclusive hot tank saying two misleading statements I didn't say any misleading statement there. So Yeah, you said you said there's my answer You know, I mean No, my answer not your answer.  That's irrelevant to anything I said You're actually just relevant to the fact that the gas is building a pressure. No, it's irrelevant to anything I said, I'm the one making a point what you say don't doesn't matter here My question was you don't need to stop and ask me questions What just make your point, you know, I'm making a point by asking you questions and you have to answer the questions You don't need to ask me questions No, no the point is to show your ignorance because you don't understand just the basic concepts of just anything That's the point. The point I'm making is that you can't answer the questions I know because it needs a contradiction remember stuff and do tests really well Oh, I know I understand you and Friday saint Can I address one of your points because you said that Santa Claus is the first lie And I think that t jump and I would almost agree with you with that We just have a different conclusion. We would say religion is the second lie or well, we're just making a joke Religion comes before santa people teach us before of Jesus before santa. So Okay, listen, I was just trying to it's not a real syllogism I would say more people are taught the lie about santa claus than about santa claus and religion I'd say santa claus would be like probably like 95 of the population and where religion could be like I don't know 60 percent maybe actually let me modify it the first lie we figure out after be Told we figure out after the kids on the bus is that santa claus as real and then the second one we learn is that religion is lie but I would also say That religion also is tied to flatter. I really do want to put an emphasis on that. Well, that's what you say I don't believe that to be true whatsoever Well, I mean you are the guy brought up a garden of Eden. It's not like t-jump, and I like poked it out of you You're like in the garden No, that's that religion at all. It's just adamant eve.  No, but the fact that adamant eve didn't exist is like Religion right that they weren't real Didn't happen because it's you can say whatever you want. It doesn't make any difference. I'm not here to create any scriptures in or out of the book You know that um people who you say religious read Yeah, none of our proofs where the bible says the earth is flat your proofs where I learned it in school So you're very specific. Well, exactly. No, no, not a book. This is science versus superstition Science comes from The book the shape of earth has nothing to do with science amy. It's a what is question Well, there we go.  We have two views there and so I don't know why why is the shape of the earth not a scientific question Because it's a what is question All science questions are what is questions literally every science question is one is question It's not a why you you did it correctly science does what questions not why I don't know if you did that purposely or So a t-jump real quick just to clarify the word science when you say science It's such a it's such a broad Assumption of the things you mean so what would what would stop stop it at the line of not being science anymore Like if I were to ask you like how much milk should I put in my cereal? Is that no longer science? Uh, sure because that's a should question Where would you tell the line just tell me where would you tell the line? Or would I just like to understand that word because I don't know what that word means, bro Well, science is a methodology to determine facts that correspond to reality So that's the goal of science So if you're trying to determine facts that correspond to reality and you're using a method that is specifically Been tested in order to differentiate imagination reality that science First time science was was written down with the tree. I'm telling you about in the tree's name was scientia The the adam neve was not a true story and the first use of science was sometime at like two three thousand years ago Or of like a version of science in latin what I don't know what you're even talking about In fact many pagans do the world was round new That's a bandwagon fallacy. Yeah That's not a real thing I could also use a bandwagon. How is that a bandwagon? Remember a point could be round to Amy Amy Yeah, the point is round to you. They all knew the earth was flat So I could use a bandwagon fallacy too, but it wasn't part of my proofs because I don't use fallacies to make my point You guys do Actually, you've used about 10 in the past like five sentences Oh really? Well, feel free to point them out But Amy just use a bandwagon fallacy. Amy will ask you the same question I has t-jump 15 times. Can you demonstrate gas pressure without a container? I can show you scientists that can demonstrate it Oh before we go into further I Ask me what my pronoun is so I identify as a flat earther. I'm just saying okay Is that what you write on forms when they write like yeah, that's what I write like it goes to male female Flatter yeah I guarantee you ever has to read that document just rolls their eyes. Oh kid okey I don't get paid enough for this, but I got health insurance. Whatever Amy can you can you show us a gas pressure without a container? Like I said I can show you scientists that can demonstrate that because we t-jump and I Refer to scientists what you were trying you said bandwagon. I don't think that's a thing But you were trying to say an appeal to authority fallacy and we are not appealing to authority fallacy is because they are the actual authorities It's you guys versus physicists, right? and so Are we gonna see a demonstration at some point in this rambling? It's already improving like whether you rejected is is a moot point. So that's So you keep asking for like we've already demonstrated this problem solved next Are we going to see a demonstration of the flattening this debate? For the audience I've asked Amy three times for a demonstration of gas pressure without a container and got nothing and I asked you to ask seven Teen times for a demonstration of gas pressure without a container and he doesn't have anything either We've gotten zero demonstration so far from the blobers ladies and gentlemen And once again, you have to ask ourselves you want to believe in science You never played with that was never our argument argument wasn't that we can show you a video of it That's already been shown that somebody else's arguments. You're addressing a straw man My argument that disproved your nonsense joke of an argument was that does gas maintain gas's state when there's no container You said yes that proves me right. It's being held together by a force. You're wrong. You've just debunked your own argument You've just said yes Gas does get held together without a container because it's still a gas when there's no container problem solved Like you're just you've already debunked your own argument. Nope. You can't demonstrate your argument That was never my argument So I never had the argument earth is a ball in space Einstein I'm asking you to demonstrate gas pressure without a container because according to you earth's atmosphere rests next to a vacuum 10 to the negative 17 torque, but you can't demonstrate it and neither can your buddy Amy Okay, but none of that was any of the arguments I made so you claimed you asked can gas maintain this Gas pressure without a container and I asked you does gas Maintain being a gas without a container. You said yes, so you admit it. Yes, it does It's a non sequitur and no, I didn't Yes, yes, you did. You said no is gas a gas without a container. There's no containers. It's still gas Sure. Yeah, but it's not pressurized Can gas exist with no pressure not pressurized not without a container buddy That's why you can't literally you just contradicted yourself Please please take a second think through that one. So is gas still a gas without a container? If the answer is either yes and something's holding it together or no and it stops being a gas Those are your two options. You can't say both. It's contradiction. It's one of those fallacy things you mentioned earlier So you can't so you can't demonstrate it. We can move on ladies and gentlemen Whoa evasion run away run away, nady.  I think Amy had a question to ask the flatter flatter Well, I just want to know I have a pen Why does it fall? Well, because the pen is more dense than the medium. Uh, go ahead and drop that pen in a pool There's a good chance it might float and stop falling What is that water anti-gravity? No, it has to do with the The density of the object relative to the medium that it's in Or Amy. Amy, you could try to drop that pen near a near a strong magnet and watch it not hit the ground Inevitably and stick to that magnet forever Also, how come you chose a pen and not a helium balloon? Because a helium balloon will fight against gravity until It will fight against gravity helium balloon. Yeah, it's gonna start throwing punches at gravity In fact, it's a gunfight Well, fantastic.  In fact, one of the reasons that I think someone brought up in their opening statement Why aren't we round and that's because gravity is actually not a strong force until you have a large amount pushing against it We don't have that like that. It makes you seem more real. Just let me know. Thank you. I think I'm just saying though I mean, I'm just agreeing with you Uh, mass attracting mass was superseded by einstein and the theory of relativity They actually claim it's the bending of spacetime space is a privation and time is a concept So it won't affect physical Reality Hey, jim you think it's possible to actually get to plaid speed plaid Yeah There's a joke coming What plaid is what faster than light speed it's a setting on a tesla car too Okay, um, I don't I don't know what plaid speed is. Um, I don't think It's might might be possible to get faster than the speed of lights. Maybe in the future. I don't it's based on current physics. No The speed of light has never been Wrong as it has it has it has multiple times Michels and moorley did it and believe It's been verified. He wasn't done in a vacuum 10 to the negative 17 torque Why would that need to be like we can test the differences in speed based on different things like water pressure and things and measure the The differences based on how much density of particles there are and calculate the rest. Yes, it has You calculate it. Okay, but you never tested it and verified it. You just calculate it You just you just do math it has been tested in a vacuum And it is that number and it can be calculated. That's the same thing The strongest vacuum on earth is the sandewski research center. It's not even close to as strong as the vacuum of space So how could they test it here on earth in a vacuum when we can't replicate a vacuum of space And the because there's enough space between the particles that it's not going to hit the light to interfere with the speed That doesn't need to be a perfect vacuum. Just needs to be enough to not have enough particles to fuse the light So you admit we haven't tested it in the vacuum of space We've never created a perfect vacuum. No, we don't need to though Well, space isn't even a perfect vacuum, but we've never tested it in the vacuum of space, right? I have no idea. They may have tested it in in one of those stations. You have no idea. All right, great I don't know. Yeah, we haven't have we been done like a light speed test in space in one of the space stations. Maybe I went plaid Maybe that's a good. I don't know. Maybe we did it always the right thing to say when you don't know something In fact, it's silly to just make when you don't know something All right, so have you guys ever tested earth and verified earth So just to clarify we can test the speed of light and we don't have to test it in space to test the speed of light We can test the speed of light and know what the speed is without testing it in space. Those are What's the speed of plaid then? If you know that you what's the speed of plaid plaid is a shirt color. I have no idea what you're asking Are you serious you think plaid is shirt color? You don't know anything about science, bro Seriously, that's what one of the first things they teach you in college bro. It sounds like you guys are setting up a joke I just I feel like it's a flat earth inside joke that you guys are trying to give How do you still plan? I think they're just making Yeah, that's the shirt color Wow So do you guys have any proof earth's a globe besides saying all the scientists already proved it and we believe the science Well, very specifically it is scientists versus you guys. So can I ask again? Do you have any scientific, you know, or I guess what else do you have to present for us for a flat earth? Is there anything a model anything? This is what our science is telling us, you know, nothing's made out of Plad is from space balls. Plad speed is a space balls reference. It's not it's not Fluid statics When water is at rest the surface is level and horizontal to its container We just showed you a video of that not being the case Uh, that's not water at rest numpty That's that was moving around Water at rest means it's not moving The ocean is moving genius the ocean isn't water at rest What's not how are you how are you this? at rest means in Relation to a specific velocity or direction not that there's literally literally no motion in the water The ocean is moving it's at rest, right? Well, sometimes lakes are at rest and not moving sometimes the ocean freezes and it's at rest and not moving And when it does you can test it with high power zoom cameras lasers Mirror reflection tasks the water in the video was at rest The fact that it wiggles like the ocean does doesn't make it not at rest The fact that it's just sitting there floating in space at rest Yeah, the fact that it's moving doesn't mean it's not at rest. I mean something could be at rest in moving Okay, t-jump. That's like the ocean genius. Congratulations. You've debunked your own position Oh Right on Also, can I share the screen again? I just want to it's changing the topic a little but it's one of the questions They ask which is why can't we Feel that the earth is moving and it's very similar to first of all why we don't feel like we're moving on a car But it's also the combination and i'm not i'm saving the That's not good. Ah, hold on one second But this is what is happening We are moving with the earth And so the water is it in this bucket Does not fall. Why does it not fall? Because it is moving in this orbit. Is that the same person?  Is everyone the same person? And this guy looks more like weird owl like post his little I think I think it's the same person on the left In the right of the picture. Yes. Yes Like that is like the guy did make a video and then went into post production and had some non-linear editing skills Which is speaking of non-linear editing. I has it put like a little Ham on my visual effect. Is this supposed to be a scientist or teacher?  No, dude. Just had like feminine style gestures and stuff, you know, I mean And also can I put this I Everything that and no, that's enough I'll stop Jack.  That is almost always what gets you late I'm just putting that in there when you wear guy liner and they're like, oh, why are you wearing it's so girly out there Then the girl's like But whatever It's not it's not homophobic. It's depopulation phobic It boils down to that. I find most homophobic people are homoerotic. I'll let you tie that Although it was depopulation to get back to the topic ladies and gentlemen Your best proof the earth is a spinning ball is spinning a bucket around No, that was trying to explain why When you're spinning something the water does not fall out. Why when you have gravity You do not fall out. This is why also combined with the fact when you're in a car You do not feel that the car is moving you're moving with the car You're moving with the planet. So when you're like, oh my god, it's so super fast Do you feel it moving this really super fast number? No, you're not supposed to that's that's the point that is the point continue. Yeah, but if you're in a convertible though You wouldn't feel the wind in What? If you're in a condo, you see if you're in a car cars get a closed container Yeah, it's not analogous to the earth again Let's walk through this if you're in a convertible. Are you suddenly gonna feel like the car is now going? Absolutely. Yeah, if you're in a convertible had no windshield. Yeah, absolutely The reason is you don't feel yourself Going with because you are actually Stuck You're actually stuck to the thing Can you see that the car? Oh my god, it's in you No, but you're you're you're you're saying that when we're on earth with no container It's the same as being in a car that is like a moving container If if you took away all the other parts of the car, you'd feel the wind hitting you And i'm trying not to have soros take you out Nathan. He's been he's been trying but Yeah, the only way you wouldn't feel movement in a convertible is if the convertible Is not moving like the earth Amy. So your proof actually helps us not you What? No, you don't feel yourself Do you want me to repeat? Sure, and I think you should do it in your slow voice Great. The only way you would not feel movement in a convertible is if the convertible is not moving and stationary Like the earth So that actually proves our point not yours Also, why why would you feel something not moving if it's stationary? I never said you would not you'd feel it not moving because it's stationary could you're not moving That's why you would not feel it Amy Okay So you're you're trying to say you wouldn't feel it if you're in a moving car If the car was stationary you would also Not feel any movement True cool The not you're first of all, you're not the not you're The flat earth bottle. I mean you could have a flat earth with space even though you guys don't we're trying to explain to you Why everything is just not at all moments of all time on planet earth No, you can't have a flat earth with space because on flat earth gas requires a container check nasa's website I showed you earlier I know take a deep breath. It's painful It is but I don't think it's for the reasons that you that you think it is but I still love you I actually love debates like these. I wanted the Send love to our interlocutors who you know, I just Haven't seen any good evidence yet What about your own senses your own senses aren't good enough evidence No, that's our point t jump and I we think that we want to remove our bias Because we just believe it's like when you're driving on the freeway you remove your senses too Or do you need them to survive? Do you think that's the same situation? Yeah, they're your senses what you see, you know Yeah, and as human seeing is one of our main senses and when you're on the road I hope you are using your eyes But that has nothing to do with a round earth because once again, you can't see The curvature because of your scale. You are just looking left right, right, right, right, but if you went up You would see you would see oh my goddess. We also have I also want to bring this point up not only do we have film and live 24 seven But I also want to point out speaking of not expertise that neither of these gentlemen have any Expertise in film or visual effects. What would make something CGI and what wouldn't so when they say things like that they're pulling it out of their butt In fact, I haven't heard cartoon a lot But what they don't tend to mention is that there are only flat earth cartoons. They're only flat earth drawings Not true.  Amy Even when you take a picture of a sphere if you take a picture it's going to be flat because that's what a picture is But you can see So if you take a picture of a basketball the basketball's wait a second I I'm no longer convinced that Nathan and flatter day saints are like not flat because I'm looking at my screen I'm trying to look. Oh man. I don't see them behind the screen I don't know. I think they're flat. That's all I could see with my senses, right? Yeah, when you go outside the earth is flat. That's what you see. That's what we test and that's what we verify But you guys haven't tested anything for you guys It's all about belief because that's part of the globe religion Never question what you're told never verify what you're told blindly believe what you're told And then call people who don't believe what you're blindly told names Now we went over this last time. We've actually proven it through like ham radio is bouncing off the moon and we debunked you on that like So we've proven the world. I have a question about that. I'm glad you brought that up. Hold on I have a quick question because you brought that up last time. Yeah Just know flatter day saints when he says we did something he didn't actually do anything I I literally did that on a tramp out. No, I literally did that in college Because building a ham radio was part of some of the classes. Oh really? Well, let's see it You how am I supposed to show it to you?  That's what a real experiment is. It's not showing you pictures It's telling you how to do it yourself. So t jump real quick. You did it. You just don't have any proof T jump so you can verify it yourself What you just don't have you jump you said you you did the laser experiment where you bounce it bounce it off the signal that From the moon, right? Radio radio signal not laser. So you're you're sending radio signals there, right? Yep. So okay. My first question is How how could the radio signal hit the reflector on the moon if the moon? Hold up. So the radio signal hits the moon the entire the whole thing No, I said the reflector on the moon The ham radio radio signals are radar radar hits the entire moon not not a reflector So it hits the perfect circumference of the moon. It doesn't go any further like men's wasted trying to go and pass the moon No, it hits the entire moon and everything else behind it, too Okay, so it's a radio signal radio, you know, like you turn a radio on and you hear music What I'm wondering is how how how thick is this signal like how how far does it span in width? Uh, it depends on your or the transmitter Uh, well, it depends on the transmitter you have like transmitters Quite much the ones you use in your experiment. I don't remember Flatter day saint, he doesn't have any proof of anything and I'd really not like to hear t-jump just talk more Okay, so we've already verified. Nope. So I've already debunked you. I proved it and you can prove it, too I can give you an experiment How is the moon is moving overhead? I just talked from your clamp out t-jump. It's not I proved it. I did the experiment and you can't you don't have you can be a mature If the moon's moving overhead and these things don't have a strong enough camera to take the actual picture of the reflector How are these things able to track that part on the moon and um able to move with the moon? They would constantly having to move with the moon. It's it's not about there There's no the reflectors are things that nasa bounces lasers. I understand but you're talking about hitting a moving target Oh with a radio signal Radio signals move at the speed of light Okay, how how you wouldn't have to adjust it for this for the for what you're trying to aim at and how would you even know What you're aiming at if you can't get a picture of it You can see it. It's it's in the sky. It's the moon. You can see the reflectors on the moon There's no reflectors are for lasers. That's different. Yeah. Yeah, that's a completely different thing First of all, you said you did an experiment sending a radio signal and asked what experiment and you said radio signal So I asked you which one now you're bouncing back to laser signal. No, no The reflectors the reflectors are for the lasers the reflectors have nothing to do with the radio signals reflectors are completely irrelevant There's no reflectors with radio signals. Well, this experiment you said you did Yes, you said when you were everybody does it when you're in college you Ham radio There's no reflectors ham radio bounces off the entire moon. Okay, the whole thing experiment right? Yes, okay, so what if what if the entire Dome above us was solid right and the moon was just a light and it wouldn't that experiment You get the same results No, because then you get the signal wherever you pointed at at any point in time at night But you only get it when you point it at the moon. Oh really and it's able to track the moon's movement in the sky You have to have a Pointing it's like you have a scope and you have a transmitter and you point the scope at the giant white gray thing And the moon is constantly moving its position in the sky. You have to cross me just Yes, it doesn't it's not that hard. It's not moving very fast. You can like just there you go. That's that's what you're doing It's it's pretty easy He doesn't have I do have proof I've proven it and you can too. That's the real proof Real proof is One second Nathan I want I want to help Nathan understand proof because he just he just doesn't understand it Proof is a repeatable experiment that you can do in your backyard ham radio ham means like novice You can buy one of these or build one on your own You can point it at the moon and you can turn it on and measure the time it takes For the signal to bounce off the moon. You can do it at different points of how do you know it's bouncing off the moon, though What's bouncing off something that is in the general moon's direction? So flutter that's a decent question What it doesn't matter what it's bouncing off of because whatever it's bouncing off of is equidistant From the earth no matter where you point it Uh from and it's it's the same takes the same time for the radio signal to bounce off whatever it is and come back And the only way that's possible is if the world is round So it doesn't matter if it's a moon or a plate of cheese So a coin can be round too. So that doesn't prove your point, bro. You keep saying round Coin is round the clock is round bro a flattered He wants us to go get his proof. He's like I've done it and you can too buy one. So that's what i'm asking you It's your proof on our laser experiment. Yes, it's it's an experiment anybody can do your job I just want to hear you're the one to tell that you're able you're able to track the moon and follow the moon with the telescope Without it hooked up hooked up to a computer So it tracks it digitally you say just really normally we hook it up to a computer But I wanted to see your question about the dome thing So you don't you've never done that experiment because you don't even know what you're talking about with as far as like Using a telescope to track the moon. Yes the bounce of our telescope. Yes, you can it's not a telescope It's a scope. It's not a telescope. You just like a gun scope you put it on top of the transmitter because the moon's really big In the sky. It's very easy to point it at the moon But you asked how do we know that the world that it's round? Well, if the moon was like here You know it's closer to this side of the phone than to this side And so the distance from a radio signal from here would be shorter than the distance from a radio signal from here But if the radio signal is the same no matter where it is in the sky the only way that's possible It's on a curved surface bro.  I promise you you've never looked at you never met another man that knows the true shape of the earth, bro ever But I just want to point out the reason why we keep on saying that they need a model Is because they are going up against mainstream science. They are going up against physicists and so Actually when they say should we be do should we be doing your job? We don't have a job. We are accepting science You have a job you need to go out there and actually do the experiments I would love to know if any of you have actually done the shadow I was trying to ask you Jim questions about it and he couldn't even answer my question about his experiment Well, the reason that you keep on doing that and not answering questions is because you don't have a model And so I'm going to keep on Putting that focus have either of you When it was done thousands of years ago. It was about a hundred miles apart. In fact, can I uh I'm gonna share my screen just one more time and I would Amy what you just said contradicted itself. You said Uh, it was a fact that there were a hundred miles apart about and then you said it was about this many miles So you said in one sentence you said it was affecting the other when you were saying it was an estimate I the two cities they were two cities apart. We know where the cities are They are anxious that and then you're saying we again like I don't agree with anything When I say we when t-jump says we we mean science because it's not about us It's not about our feelings We have opinions on whether chocolate and vanilla ice cream is good We do not have feelings on whether the speed of light is something different. I'm not like hey t-jump How do you feel about the speed of light? That's not how it works Amy sorry, sorry if you think I'm working. We feel and I know my voice keeps rising Being lower and quieter when I'm talking. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be theatrical And I did the the flashy thing again. I just want to double it's like a usb I just want to make sure I'm sharing sound do it twice. Okay Thanks for addressing everything I've said Amy. Also. I appreciate that absolutely. No, I take dad I love notes. I love listening to what you guys say of ancient Egypt I've inserted two sticks or obelisks one up here in alexandria and one down here in syene Now if at a certain moment each stick casts No shadow no shadow at all That's for easy to understand Provided the earth is flat If the shadow at syene is at a certain length And the shadow at alexandria is the same length that also makes sense on a flatter But how could it be? Eratosthenes asked that at the same instant there was no shadow at syene And a very substantial shadow at alexandria The only answer was that the surface of the earth was perfect There we go and so I mean the floor is back over to you guys Hey, that's who you think is your example Listen ladies and gentlemen, I do have to do a PSA just a very quick PSA fun public education If you don't think that's important on the voter education system do it do it now But yes, we are Political views or is this part of the debate my political is fun You're like taking a joke too serious. Well, well, maybe they should take it seriously.  You just believe that someone else gave it to you. Did you do that yourself? No No, brah. You didn't go to the moon. Therefore no moon I love you nobody said that All right, so we haven't got a demonstration of gas pressure without a container Amy and tjump admitted they haven't tested earth and verified it curves Uh, no, I said I did test it pwned and we have demonstrated gas without a container You've been shown multiple times in multiple videos and you showed water without a container at rest And it's not in the container pwned pwned pwned at rest but moving. Yep Is that rest? Yes. Just like the ocean. Is that rest but moving like the ocean? Yes, and everybody of water which is at rest but moving Water hate to break this to you, but water doesn't ever stop moving. No particles do okay, so Absolutely zero a swimming pool can't be completely stationary Nope, what about water when it's frozen still moving particles are always moving How do you know that if it's frozen? How do you know? Because it's not at absolute zero Yeah, I know that How do I know it's not at absolute zero?  Wow, that sounds a little cultish bro. I'm just saying no that things can't get to absolute zero Yeah, it sounds a religiosity. How is how? Okay, we got about five minutes left guys So real quick just want to recap We have not got a demonstration on this debate of gas pressure without a container We have not got a demonstration of t-jump or amy verifying earth curves Although t-jump did tell us a very cool story about when he was back in college He just can't prove it now. Have any of you either of you verified the earth moving a thousand miles an hour at the equator and if so, how It's again, silly question. We're gonna keep on it when you asked Did we personally do set experiment when we are not the ones proposing something that is going against what every physicist says That is really hard not to say I want to Every physicist does not say that Because that's true the two phds you failed.   I think carl sega was a physicist as well Neil Tyson is an astrophysicist. There's a difference There is that's a subtle difference, but I mean fantastic. Yes, that is Well, I want to I want to recap the flat earth. There's arguments here like so they don't understand that a thing is a gas Even if it's not a container, but then it somehow Can't see a gas anymore Nathan just admitted that even without a container of gas is a gas but somehow nothing can hold it together But it maintains its gaster state for some reason. Um magic. I'm guessing this magic We gave a demonstration of water at rest floating in a ball. It doesn't maintain its state. It doesn't stay in the same place, bro Yeah State means like water gas liquid it does maintain its state you admit You're saying it doesn't matter if that thing's moving or not No, it doesn't why would it matter if it's moving if a rock is moving it's still a rock if an ocean is moving it's still an ocean If gas is moving it's still a gas Yeah, but it's not contained. It's not pressurized. Why is it still a gas? That's not it's not good. You can't have that means that means it has a pressure if it has if it's gas It has a pressure the pressure can't be zero Pressure without a container not can you demonstrate gas? I just did I just did so if it's still a gas That means it has a pressure because the particles are tied together The electrons are tied to the the neutrons and protons just means it has a pressure It's still a gas something's holding it together that that's a pressure. No container still gas pressure You got poem you got poem Nathan gas bouncing off the pressing against the walls of its container So, no gas it's not Would not have gas Pressure no, that's not how gas pressure is defined. You better look up basic science of astrophysics bro Astrophysics. All right. So have you verified earth moves amy or tea job? Yes All right verified all the things you've said and I've told you how I verified them and I've proved them And you said well, I didn't give you a video therefore.  That's better. It's better Better My question was what type of equipment are you using when you did the experiment where you bounce signals off of the moon Oh, gosh, you still have radio. You'd have to google the specifics. You can you can no, I just want to know specifically what you use So you can it's on google. There's actually a list of what you need to do one of these No, because I don't have a video of me doing the experiment. You don't need a video of me You that's that's what I'm just listing so you can go to google look up what it takes to build a ham radio Look at the energy it takes to bounce off the moon. You can build it yourself You said you do you guys do the experiments and we don't but I don't I don't need to remember Out of the details of the experiment bro, then why do you bring that online? Your proof I don't need to go find your proofs That's what he's saying is that the teachers actually make that students do the experiment you can prove this yourself You can go to a physicist, but I want to know I want to know big picture with you guys You guys are just not going to answer my question And No, you didn't give me any answer All of the facts I can say here is a reference where you can find all of the facts yourself I don't I don't need to memorize all of the facts to bring up the facts. I would say guess what Here's what happened and if you want to know the specifics, here's a reference you can do all of it yourself That's that's called evidence evidence is here's the general facts and here's how you can reproduce it specifically If you're seeing that you did this experiment, you should be able to tell me exactly what it was I don't need to memorize all the facts you're confused Wow Huge bro Okay, like Speaking of just politics and the liberals and conservatives can't agree on anything The the political parties are all of this divided everyone's fighting But the one thing they seem to be holding back on is the secret conspiracy That the earth is round Help me out here. Why like a coin? Why would they lie to you about the shape of the earth? You keep saying the word we in round Amy Yes, are you gonna answer anybody? Yeah, so a point give me a round I don't know. I can't divine other people's thoughts, but they do get 60 million dollars a day through nasa They also hide the creator. They also make everyone afraid to die so that they'll cover their face Because the news said boo air is scary. So now that we never talked about this This in this debate, we've not got a demonstration of gas pressure without a container You guys have not shown us verification that the earth curves in all directions I don't I don't need to tell you what equipment I used I used a ham radio. That's that I used a ham radio That's the equipment I used problem. So I'm radio at the moon that doesn't have anything to do with earth surface Wow, I literally explain this like if you shoot a ham radio at an object in the distance And the distance is the same. You guess what has to be a has to be around Okay, but you don't have point can be around I do I do approve of it Oh, yeah That's called a burden of proof reversal fallacy. No, it's not saying I have proof isn't a burden of proof reversal fallacy What learn the proof the earth rotates? I do we do have proof. Okay. What is it? We Yes There's lots of proof that there are rotates the colorless effect the fact that we've been to space and we can see it The fact that satellites work in gps works Lots of things the the little laser gyroscopes that used on ships that proves it. There's lots of proofs of it The ring the little the big pendulum thing at the top of the world if everyone's called that proves it The ring laser gyroscope was developed by sag max sag max. I don't care who developed it It proves the world is Chris spinning pro bone bone, bro And I just He said it was the rotation of vortex of the ether not the earth spinning Okay, so that's the end of our open discussion Cool guys, so let's go ahead and go to the q&a We'll let you guys know if you have a question or comment for one of tonight's debaters Fires the old live chat and tag me at modern day debate super chats go to the top of the list We still have some room in the super chat list So if you want to make sure that your comment or question gets read go ahead and fire it in and make sure it's a super chat We'll go ahead and keep that started And make sure that if you like what you've heard from any of our debaters their links are in the description below So let me go ahead and start with our first question That is From wait, let me start the timer. I forgot about that Yeah, okay Uh from Cameron hall for two dollars can Flurfs explain how the tides work I haven't tested the tides personally, so i'm not going to make any claims about them I think there's a vortex of water in the middle of the earth in the very center of the north pole And it affects the tides all around the earth like waves rippling out from the pool That's just my opinion and the great lakes Don't have tides So the the moon if it's pulling large bodies of the ocean towards it It would also affect glasses of water swimming pools and the great lakes, but it doesn't Gotcha The question was for me and me not for you nobody wants to hear you talking It has tides go in tides The question wasn't We'll let them have the last word Yeah, i'm running out of battery here I'm trying to get through the questions for the audience if people want to hear you talk. Amy. They'll ask you a question Uh, the great lakes do have tides by the way. Oh, yeah, just more talking to it. No proof Amy go ahead and look at the last word The sun and moon do occur in the semi-dirational twice daily pattern in the great lakes. Pound Amy go ahead. Well, no, I just wanted to make a joke. I wasn't trying to get a point I was just trying to once again quote the great philosopher bill o'reilly all of us All right. Well, okay, uh from kango 44 for uh five dollars new zealand from for nathan do you Do you do t-jumps radar experiment yet? Did you do t-jumps radar experiment yet? I guess not as you have no interest in actually learning anything Yeah, who won't even see the equipment that uses I've been too busy testing the earth surface to shoot radio waves at the moon and pretend that proves something about earth surface next question So, no, he's afraid to do it because it's kind of Not for you if they want to hear you talk they'll ask you a question From doom Dune alam for two dollars canadian for the flat earthers. How do you explain sunsets? That's very simple the sun sometimes is moving towards you and that's called a sunrise And then sometimes is moving away from you and it gets far enough. You can't see it. It's called a sunset next question Gotcha from kango 44 for 50 smackers new zealand They say nathan you can lie to yourself all you want, but there are many many live feeds from space Himmari eight is not nasa and it's live the 2022 Tonga eruptions was captured live by it from space. Please explain how a live eruption was fake Now well, they could do that from high altitude balloons or airplanes They don't need to be in space to record a volcano from above the volcano next question Gotcha from tim prior for $20. They say nathan until you can name one field of science that agrees with you Or one scientist then you should not mention science at all It's not a question next question I agree with him. That's the name of the tree in the garden of edin. So probably better not to mention science to you From tim prior for five dollars. They say nathan really needs to learn the difference between gas pressure and atmospheric pressure Uh, the atmosphere is comprised of gas. So the atmospheric pressure is gas pressure next question without a container Sunflower for ten dollars. They say t jump gas particles spontaneously disperse via entropy It's called diffusion the weak nuclear force has nothing to do with gas pressure Uh, holding gas particles together doesn't cause gas pressure Yes, yes, it does literally it does um, and they don't spontaneously diffuse in a vacuum There is gas in a vacuum. We have made vacuums and the gases are still gases of the vacuums Don't shoot the messenger Uh, ob won for ten dollars.   Oh store us might have got to him.   Uh, by the way, I didn't I didn't do that experiment. I was just there I got invited I got flown out to la and they lied to me and said they were harvard students because globers love lying Just like tea dump sitting with his face next question in space We're technically all in space right now. That's true. Yeah, we are a vacuum numpty next question Why are these guys talking? No one's asking them any questions got pwned space for mark green for five For five dollars, uh, they say nathan if if time is a concept Then how do we measure time through the decay of atoms in a atomic clock? Time and measurements of time aren't the same Uh, well time Uh, I've never measured atoms with a with decay so Cool, that's your proof of time. I mean, we're here to debate the shape of the earth Has nothing that question has nothing to do with what we're talking about Gotcha from dwayne burk for one pound seventy nine Uh, they say rumor has it t-jump's chair can be seen from space The facts we're in space and we can see it there for it's true Thanks, uh From made by jimbab for one ninety nine. They say Amy Debuckett has a bottom that contains the water Wait, I'm sorry. Yeah Can you read that one more time? Yeah, uh Debuckett has a bottom that contains the water Oh the bucket He's saying that the bottom of the the whole point is that the it's getting turned upside down though Yes, it's true that when you have a bucket of water The bottom is a hundred percent why it is not going everywhere But the question is when you turn It upside down why doesn't it fall and that is because of the It's the force that you are generating here It's the same things happening with our orbit around the sun Gotcha from uh somebody with the name uh for two dollars Amy and tom if earth round then why they're still earth Yo I think that's I swear that's more of a I think that's from someone who supports us That's kind of like uh if there is you know, uh Americans or Why is there still europe? That's because we often get asked this from creationist. So it's like I think they're making I'm sorry to be fair. They said why is there still earth when they said if earth round my brain just automatically left the why is out of there. I'm sorry if earth round Then why is there still earth why is there still earth like I said if it's not a joke because one doesn't exclude the other I don't I don't know Got it uh from sunflower for ten dollars. They say t jump google gas pressure. No wait. I did it for you Quote gas pressure is the name given to the force exerted by gas particles colliding with the wall of the container Uh, no, it's not says the surfaces of objects which includes other particles So gas pressure can be pressure against other particles of gas um just You read it wrong Google it again And a hundred percent send in love out there. I see in chat it was yudoff was making a joke. He is totally a skeptic Non-believer and all that so it was a creationist joke send in love out there right back to you Got it Uh from obi-wan for ten dollars. They say nathan. Thanks bob. You've seen gas pressure without a container uh tomahawk tomahawk nuclear reactor But gas pressure is not the same as atmospheric pressure. But even in a container there is a pressure gradient Let me unmute him. Sorry And we lost him Is it tomahawk or tokamak? It's tomahkak Is what he wrote. So I just assumed it was tomahawk sorry tokamak is an actual it's a Tokamak to ok a m a k tokamak. All right Got it learned something new, uh, which is my spiritual name talk a lot of mac Nathan, uh, did you hear any of that? No, I didn't no Nathan, uh, thanks bob. You've seen gas pressure without a container the tokamak nuclear reactor Uh, but gas pressure is not the same as atmospheric pressure But even in a container there is a pressure gradient What kind of disproves your entire argument in like three different ways? We're just saying k is a bad bad lure If there was a question, let me know moderator. It didn't sound like there was a question Got it from jim bob for 199. They say t jump. I have that chair too.  This is suede. Suede is not white Shots fired Diana bender for five dollars. They say flatter day. Why did you bring up depopulation? Isn't that a qanon conspiracy theory? Are you a follower of qanon I don't know. I don't know what that what she's referring to. I've never heard of that such a thing Is that I don't follow anybody though I don't follow anybody. I just follow and trust my own senses Got you think since you use when you're driving on the freeway We are flying through these oh my god Uh Um from extra j for five dollars. They say Nathan so other than being confused with everything about the globe. What is your evidence for flatter? A large bodies of water do not curb. It's called fluid statics when at rest the surface of water is level and horizontal to its Inner we also see way too far with high power zoom cameras and telescopes We have things like the geographic range table from the use us postcard Which list distances things can be observable at sea level We also have the black swan which verifies that the horizon is not the geometric edge of the earth and I could keep going but Let's just send it. They're specular reflections prove that when When you see a perfect mirror reflection off the surface of water The water is not curving in all directions So there's lots of proof Good question. Got it From jeremy jutia for 199 they say uh for the flat earthers Do vacuums pull or does pressure push? pressure pushes Got it from jeremy jutia for 499 they say since we know pressure pushes Vacuums don't pull the reason our atmosphere doesn't blow Into space is because the particles run out of energy Particles run out of energy. Now they get tired. All right. That's cool story got it for $2 from neat freak at the flat earthers. Why do stars rotate opposite at the poles? Now that doesn't even happen on a globe a globe moving in one direction would have stars also moving one direction So what you're seeing is apparent not actual I've had done over a hundred star trail videos.  They say t jump you excited for the Artemis launch monday I guess so Not so much and that is all of our Super chats right now We will go ahead and go to our non super chats But if you do have a super chat go ahead and send it in and it will be read immediately And we will go on and go ahead until we run out of time or until one of our guests have to leave from Bale Diablo Do flat earthers even understand righty tidy lefty lucy? Yes We do Got it from something slicks Can I ask the flat earthers to clarify where they got the name of the tree of knowledge in eden from? Lost books from the bible books that have been taken out Do the research yourself it didn't come to me easy are you a gnostic? Are you speaking to me? Yeah, I don't understand the word in which you just described There are gnostic texts outside of the bible just sounded like you're hinting at maybe something else I've never heard that word before. Hey, I'm uh, hopefully I can open up a whole another subject Probably not. I'm pretty closed off to almost uh everything that you guys are into But thank you. You said it not me, but cool Yeah Got it From bitter truth for ten dollars. They say earth is flat in the bible That's why people say that but is there scientific evidence Is there any scientists who would say that in 2022 or nathan you are Stuck because of the bible No, none of my proofs were bible you guys keep bringing up the bible. I haven't said bible once so Get over bro.  It's yours Oh, you see that at the very end though. It's about his word Got it from jeremy juptea for 499 they say Nathan particles get tired Do you think energy slash pressure is infinite or does pressure decrease over time slash distance? Gas particles move in all directions. They're omnidirectional even at earth's surface where gravity is allegedly the strongest So you're going to pretend that gravity contains all the particles of gas to earth adjacent to a vacuum Well, you've got a problem where gravity is the strongest. It doesn't contain it. The gas moves in all directions So pretty simple Gotcha from mike obar they ask why can't polaris be seen in the southern hemisphere is the earth Why can't polaris be seen in the some southern hemisphere is the earth Is flat Well, if the earth is flat if the earth is flat, that's what they're saying Polaris is located above polar center. So the farther you go Outward from polar center, you're gonna have perspective and refraction Also, you could have topography on the ground obstructing your view as things in the sky move towards the horizon There's lots of reasons. So the fact we have a polaris Proves we're not on a spinning ball blasting through space chasing a sun 500 miles an hour. Thanks for bringing that up. Appreciate it. Glover Gotcha from steven for 199 they say roger spur at mud fossil university smashes globers Gotcha Uh astronaut 66 they say how far around around the flat earth equator I don't know how I measured it From obi-wan for five dollars. They say Uh for flutterday states stop saying that bs from the latin word scientia meaning knowledge awareness understanding Uh, I want to make a kind of speak a comment on the roger spur thing like I tried to do a quick Just google and there was nobody and so if he is smashing globers He must be doing it very quietly and so I would love to Know more about him and specifically also what his degree is in and you know What he is doing with it to show that there is a flat earth But my favorite jerk is you know and bet he's smashing globers all around the earth And flutterday states did you want to respond to that comment about uh scientia? Yes, so that's the tree's name Got it That's what I thought too And then from bitter truth for five dollars. They say nathan. What is quantum physics? Just checking how much you know explain quantum fluctuation Now i'm not an expert in quantum physics or quantum fluctuation I am an expert on testing earth myself and verifying. It's not a globe curving in all directions I did it for five years and I also ran the largest research group in human history Where you were only allowed to post first-hand evidence We didn't allow cursing and insults and the group still got deleted Got it from jeremy judia for 4.99. They say flurfs I worked in Antarctica for six months and saw 24 hours of daylight at the same time my friend at uh Prudhoe bay arca Alaska saw 24 hours of darkness. How? Well, that's a cool story But I ran the largest flatter earth group in human history and there were no videos of 24 hour sun in the south But there were thousands of videos of 24 hour sun in the north. I find that very interesting. So cool story glober Got it from it's a rubik's uh question for nathan You say you have never seen the curve so you can't believe it Have you seen god? Uh the creator no, but i've seen proof of the creator the creation so and I don't need to Believe in curvature. Okay. I've tested and verified the earth is not curving downward in all directions tangent to our feet So the fact you're still using the b word.  It's not real attack Got it from sandals. They ask when you fart. Where is the farts container? Well, it moves in all directions because it's not contained Uncontained farts from korag night wolf. They say flat earth or if you hold a Half full water bottle away from you and start spinning The water in the bottle will stick to the side of the bottle depending on where you hold it, right? True. Yes, that's correct Got it. My name my last name Question what's underneath the underside of the flat earth model We get this question every debate glober still haven't figured out that the deepest hole dug is eight miles It's called the koala super deep borehole and other than that we have no idea What I know is that the center of earth is not hotter than the surface of the sun Because that would violate the second law of thermodynamics next question From karigi past nips Sorry if i'm mispronouncing that Why do you need to prove gas pressure without a container? Because the glober there's assert that we're in a vacuum of space And you can't have gas pressure resting next to a vacuum without a container. It's on the nasa's website. I showed it earlier Can I ask just how nathan thinks that air is like sticking to the planet? Because that tends to be a little gaseous Yeah, because we have a firmament overhead. That's the container sun moon stars are all locked in it firmament Bubble world it's a dome That's why we have sun dogs Bright, that's why we have sun dogs halos sprites out again You just can't you can't contain yourself. I can't help myself. I really can't but I love you Nathan I do want to let you have as much time as you want to to make as much of your points as you want We cannot be contained bitter truth for five dollars. They say nathan if you don't know physics. How can you prove flat earth? Uh, well, you don't need to know physics to grab a camera and go outside. I said I'm not an expert in quantum physics There's a difference physics has to do with our physical reality. So for example Large bodies of water do not curve. It's a property of fluid statics I mean i'm a broken record over here, but the surface of water at rest is level and horizontal To its container. Thanks cas next question Gotcha from mark Uh sabali for five dollars. They say question for nathan. Why do you see Polaris? Why do we see Polaris on the horizon when standing at the equator and right above the north pole? How do you explain the 90 degree difference? Yeah, it's called perspective as you move farther away things above your head will move towards the horizon The fact we have Polaris a stationary pole star debunks the heliocentric model that we're chasing a sun 500,000 miles an hour through space Good question from gotcha loving lovers debunk themselves with their own questions From kingo 44 from five bucks new zealand. They say for nathan. I run the world's largest They say nathan. I run the world's largest The sky is green facebook group. There are two people in it. So that proves something Yeah proves you're a troll Well, can I just ask in between why is it that when we oh you can't You can super chat go ahead super chat your question cas, please could I ask and he could just go ahead? We have uh, we're at the end of our list. So go ahead. Oh, I just want to know why it seems like boats just seems to disappear Uh as we get they go over the horizon. It looks like they're Dipping and it's not just that they're getting smaller, which is what you would expect in a flatter Katz, can I share my screen? Yep Okay, thank you Are you guys seeing this? The not porn folder. I'm just teasing it. I don't watch porn.   I hope you find your file Maybe I should read another question while you're looking for it. Yeah, go for it, bro Uh, can't go 44 for five dollars new zealand. They say Uh, Nathan your thermodynamics expert, please give us a quick explanation of max wells demon What do you say max wealth what? Max wells demon Max wells demon and I'm not familiar with it, but here's a video Boats not disappearing over the curve of the earth when you zoom in They're still there Now we're going to zoom out here in a second and you're not going to see that buoy or that boat because of perspective There you go. You can't see the boat. You can't see the buoy globes will assert that went over the curve of the earth But no it didn't It's right there next question Okay Did get a couple more in uh from Jeremy jutea for 199 they say Nathan when can we debate official call out l.o.l Debate no names. Uh, if you want to pay my fee. That's cool. Flat earth flyers at gmail.com From loan shadow for two dollars canadian they say how far does light travel? I don't know how to test it. Has anyone here tested it? No Next question from bitter truth for five dollars. They say Nathan if earth is flat there should be the end where water falling Somewhere can you explain where's earth's end where we can even call fall? I don't know if you guys have realized this but water falls off of balls Okay, not flat dinner plates the highest median elevation for any continent Is antarctica.  They say Nathan. I love your take on porn props brother Much love bro Got it from random. They say question for t jump if the ham radio experiment is so easy Shouldn't you have gotten it ready for the debate? That's your job I Others to find your proof Uh flat tarts don't understand that it you can do the experiment yourself. That's all I need to show If you can do it and you don't that means just you're lazy Problem solved. So since anybody can do the experiment you can go to your backyard bill at yourself and you don't prove They're debunked anybody can reverse the burden of proof. It's easy. They're just sit on my clam couch and say things It's been done proved you wrong if you won't do it you're debunked and Nathan that's our point Nathan that is our also our point because You don't actually take on any burden of proof You never actually answer why you think it is a flat earth or why you think physicists should take you seriously So when you try to shrug the burden of proof remember that was your entire point in this debate No, not at all. I I've tested earth myself. I showed you star trails around the georgia guide stones I took that video myself. So I don't know what you're talking about the only person who hasn't done anything themselves Is you and clam couch over here? Once again, that is sightseeing as a tourist That's not an experiment an experiment is where you do a test and have a methodology Which you record the results and can get that tested in a journal by peers I never said star trails was an experiment star trails look at the last word there What Nathan was debunked like a while ago like we debunked him like every way possible We showed him water at rest. That's a ball. There's floating and he just doesn't believe it So I don't know why he's like saying. Oh, why don't you provide a video of you doing it? Because he's clearly going to believe that right? No, I give him real evidence I say here's something you can test on your own and prove to yourself That your silly flat earth model is wrong and he just doesn't do it for some reason. I don't know might be a bias He just doesn't want to check it himself For the Flurfs do vacuums suck from pressurized areas or do pressurized areas blow into vacuums? We went over that pressurized areas blow into vacuums Got it. It's a Rubik's debunks is the world so that's kind of the point The question wasn't for you to jump keep quiet. Maybe go on mute. You got you got debunks Oh pond. Yep. Go on mute.  Yeah Okay, it's a Rubik's uh debate Oh, I'm sorry t jump. Are you excited about the Artemis? Oh, we already read that Okay, uh For the flat earthers uh from bail diablo Which color crayon? Sorry, I shouldn't have read that. Sorry All right, Bruno Fernandez Yeah The question was which color crayon tastes best he answered. Yeah, I know it was purple. Okay. Yeah If Nathan is so proud of testing. I'm sorry from Bruno Fernandez If Nathan is so proud of testing stuffed him from if Nathan is so proud of testing stuff himself Why does he refuse to do the radio wave test that t jump proposes? Oh Pwned. Oh, pwned. God. It's so pwned because shooting radio waves at the moon It's not way the best way to test earth surface when we all walk around on earth surface And you can clearly observe earth surface You don't even have to look at the moon to determine what the earth surface is You could just test earth surface, which is what I did for five years With lasers mirror reflection test high power zoom cameras and telescopes Got it. Can I ask you? Can I ask you? I just want to Four minutes to get your super chats in. Four minutes to get your super chats in. Oh, I'm sorry, I can't.  Um I just wanted to know if either of you guys had like a way to falsify like what do you think You would look outside to see if it was around earth Do you just expect that like you go outside and it's just like a constant like whoa No, falsification is independent of replacement Yeah, you would see earth curving in all directions But we don't because we have specular reflections that show large bodies of water at rest our perfect mirrors The only way that works is if the surface is flat Okay, um, I'm not sure if this is the name master optics Or master of ticks. I'm so sorry Uh It says and why does pressure? I Can't sorry Affirmament would make it the same pressure everywhere I'm sorry. I don't know if a part of this got cut off or not. Oh, it's fine. Yeah, he doesn't understand that Fluid statics again states why we have different pressure gradients in earth's atmosphere It's very similar to when you dive deep in the ocean. There's more pressure That's because there's more water above your head So the closer you are to earth's surface the more air is above your head I mean, I can't believe you got to explain this stuff to people in 2022 But yeah, so there's more air above your head at earth's surface That's why there's more pressure at earth's surface and then when you go up in altitude There's less air above your head rocket surgery. Oh my god Better truth for five dollars. They say Nathan. I heard you talk about thermodynamics. Can you explain? What is that? Yeah, high pressure systems move towards low pressure system For example, when you put your hand on a hot stove and your hand is not Scorching hot the heat will move from the stove to your hand and you will get burnt If you pop a car tire and the car tire has air pressure in it the air pressure will move towards less pressure So it goes Got it Gotcha from harry p. Ness praise god for two dollars They say no claims for no clams for Nathan. He has been kicked off kinder That's fine. Clams are an unclean animal. Anyways, I don't want to eat them from From quantum degreaser for ten dollars. They say I got two samples of lake surface a mile apart compared side by side They were level on my table One should have been eight inches lower if globe flat earth proven right, Nathan. What say you brother? Yeah, they'll say boats disappear away from you, but the horizon from left to right is a completely straight line They forget that globes curve in all directions not just away from you Yeah Gotcha, uh from east Fremantle Nathan Why can't I why can't I not perceive? I am moving in an airplane at a constant 600 miles per hour Again, you're in the same sensation. I feel we feel with the rotation of the earth at 1000 miles per hour Again, the airplane is a closed container if you take the roof off the airplane You would most certainly feel you going 600 miles an hour Gotcha Uh, it's erubics. They say Nathan haven't many of your experiments shown the curvature And spinning nature of the earth No, unfortunately, I have never proven our spins or that earth is curving in all directions If it were I wouldn't be here debating for a flat earth Gotcha, finally a question for the globes. Why was the moon's shadow only 70 miles wide during 2017's eclipse? Because light bends the bending of light Can you demonstrate it? Yes, Einstein did he measured the bending of light around the sun. That's how he proved his theory of general relativity I said and you demonstrate it and he says yes. Yes Einstein, okay Yes, so so how how science and experiments work because one person does it and then they tell you the way that you can do it So I can repeat the experiment and do it myself and anybody can that's kind of the point I don't think you understand this. That's why I told you you could build a ham radio and prove to yourself The world is round but you're like no No more questions. Well, I just want to add in one last thing because It is true that we now have general and special relativity, but that doesn't actually circumvent classical Newtonian physics any more than quantum Mechanics would circumvent it on the small scale. What we have is three different Ways of understanding things a ball is still going to Go through the air and it's going to fall if you want to shoot a cannon ball You still need to understand classical Newtonian physics. It is only once you get gigantic scales that general relativity is actually starting to Take over that is when it leaves you take that instead So that is just my point And yes, and and the theory of everything It's a bad name but trying to understand general relativity with quantum mechanics Because the the large and the small is also something we really don't understand quite yet And just putting that Putting that on there Really quick. Um, it sounds like some spirit cooking to me Bruno Fernandez wanted me to let you know Amy that you did a really good job with your introduction Bitter truth for five dollars Really quick what an immediate say Nathan.  That is it the clock is over and done with thank you so much for all of your Questions. You guys have really contributed to the discussion in an invaluable way I'll be one for ten dollars. Okay. I'm gonna read this last one because ten dollars super cheap Seriously, no more wait at the end at the edge Wait at the edge. How much air is above your head since the dome is much closer So wouldn't air pressure drop as you move out towards the edge? Pwned Yeah, that could actually be why you weigh less at the equator than you do at the north pole Or towards the north pole. Uh, it's actually pretty interesting, but I've never been to the edge. I've never seen the edge I don't even know if there is an edge. So hope that answers your question, bud Got it. Oh man. 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