the existing guidance that they are already is not coherent with climate and nature. As well as the new guidance, we need to also, I am sorry to say, adding workload, some of the old guidance is just not appropriate in the context that we find ourselves in the climate and nature emergency. That is helpful. I wanted to ask and maybe sound like a broken record on this, but, as an Edinburgh MSP, I am really concerned about the emphasis just on brain field development, which is unlikely to be forthcoming here in the capital. There are businesses, very viable businesses currently on these sites, and they have had no communication or no real conversation over what the future with MPF4 looks like for them. I just wondered in terms of MPF4, what issues do you think there are still needing to be addressed around that pipeline of land, coming forward for all the commitments that are in this plan to actually be achieved, especially around the housing crisis? I think that what we asked for in the first draft was a fix to where a pipeline is under delivering, because if it is under delivering, something has to happen. At the moment, there is still no mechanism to fix an under delivering pipeline except to bring in longer-term sites and sites that are beyond the 10 years in LDPs, but generally speaking, they are in that bracket for a reason. So what if they cannot come forward and plug that gap? At the moment, without the guidance, the LDP guidance is not clear if there is a fix. I really hope there is a fix and we want to engage with Scottish Government further on that to discuss how that might be done, but it is a big concern that if we are under deliverings, for example, a plan review, what would trigger that and could that just be a housing section of the review? The other part is, so we are talking about under delivering, big concerns there if that is happening, if and when. It is also not clear if there is an over-delivering pipeline, then there is the ability that further land can come in, but it is quite clear in policy 9, as it now is the brownfield and vacant and derliked land policy, that that cannot be greenfield. But, as I said before, what if there simply isn't any other brownfield vacant and derliked land sites there to come in? Then what do you do? For me, there are scenarios that have not been worked through, so as it stands, I can't legitimately say that policy 16 will deliver the homes that we need. Equally, we still don't have a clear definition of what a deliverable site is. The MPF4 is very clear, and we are supportive of this, that sites must be deliverable. As a clear man there, sites aren't deliverable, they are de-allocated, so sitting behind that, we need a very clear definition of what that is. What does deliverable mean? There is now a short, medium, long-term pipeline of sites in a post-10 year. Again, we have not got the definitions yet as to what that is. What sites should be in short? What do they need to have in terms of planning, consent, infrastructure? It is critical that the guidance comes forward to explain how this is going to work. The danger is that you get to year 5, 6, 7 of an LDP, it is not delivering where is the fix. At the moment, it is not clear what that fix is and you could almost say that I will be premature with MPF4 looking at policy 16 without the guidance alongside it. That is a fair statement to make. Again, alongside the lack of transitional stuff, this is up there with one of our key concerns. We are hoping to see more of a solution coming forward. That will be critical. The delivery programme is clear that the LDP regs and guidance are still to come but we have not seen them. We have seen a draft, we have not seen the guidance that sits behind it so we are not clear how this will work in practice. In just touching on your brownfield greenfield point miles are brownfield sites in Edinburgh, we can allocate brownfield but if they are not deliverable if they put current uses on them then we shouldn't be allocating them because they are not going to come forward. We shouldn't always assume that that is the most sustainable way to plan for settlements because what we are doing in the Edinburgh example is removing a lot of existing businesses away from the city and I am not clear how that can be judged as sustainable for anybody. Again, it is much more nuanced than in sort of brownfield good, greenfield bad but big concerns there and it is something that I would be keen to continue dialogue with the committee on. I am going to take a slightly more philosophical view of this one and I think that this is indicative of what was going on behind MPF4 of that fundamental mind shift that we need to make for a net zero world and just thinking about the words that we use in terms of greenfield, brownfield, there is often the subconscious assumption that any kind of development is inherently bad that you turn a greenfield site into a greyfield site where the biodiversity is gone and it is less desirable and less attractive and so on and I think that that is the mind shift that we need to make here. Development is inherently neutral and what the MPF4 should be doing is pushing developers to prove that what they will create will be better than what was there before that it will be positive for communities, it will be positive for our climate, it will be positive for biodiversity and for me that is more of the approach to all the things that Liz has said are contributors to that. It's a very tired joke in our planning system that we have a tendency to name things after what we destroyed to create it so Orchard Road and Meadow Bray and we need to change that so after the development as there will be on our site there will be a restored peat bog that is flourishing with more biodiversity than there was when we started and that philosophy should be carried across all development. Thank you for that. That comes to the end of our questions on this panel and I just thank you for being with us this morning, sharing your views, it's been really important conversation and I think it needed that little bit of extra time to really draw them all out so thanks for that. So I now suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow a change for witnesses. We now begin our final panel of witnesses on the national planning framework and on panel 3 we are joined by Dr Caroline Brown who is the assistant professor of environmental planning and healthy environments at the Urban Institute at Heriot-Watt University Welcome and Professor Cliff Hague who is a chartered town planner and chair at the Coburn Association and has been a long morning but I think it's such an important conversation that we're having and I'd like to begin with the same questions that I asked previous panels just would love to hear briefly if you could outline your views on key changes that have been made in the revised national planning framework and maybe Caroline you're smiling at me so I'll tease you first. Thank you so much Carina thank you for inviting me back I think as others have commented the revision to NPF4 has brought some greater clarity and consistency in language which is very welcome and I think the high level principles about the climate emergency and the nature emergency also emerge much more clearly in this version, in this revision so I think there's a lot to be very positive about the clarity of language consistency is very helpful and I think another thing that I really valued and noticed was embedding of the qualities and diversity also within some of the policies so talking about the need to plan and design for diverse needs within cycle active travel for example so I think that's all fantastic there's a couple of misses for me that I wanted to draw your attention to one is about the first spatial principle in the very beginning of the document in part one the just transition which unlike the other five principles does not seem to be explicitly very spatial and I don't think that NPF4 articulates the way in which that just transition principle should be translated into a spatial policy so what does that mean it says things a little bit about process but not very much about spatial distribution that was my first miss and my second miss was on health and there's a policy called health and safety I forget exactly which number about 23 I was going to say 22 at 23 and that's mostly about risk and harm minimisation it's actually important but I think the title of that policy and some of the language within it could be expanded and it crosses with the six principles of good places because number one in those six principles at the end is about healthy places so I think health could be expanded to be much more about enabling wellbeing the salutogenic model of the environment and how it supports health the risk reduction pathogenic model minimising air pollution and so on so that was my second miss that I think the draft didn't quite articulate I'll stop there I think we'll come back to some of the other things Thanks very much and I think I've just got a new word salutogenic I think I can imagine what that means Cliff Thank you for inviting me I really do welcome the MPF4 and its ambition I welcome a congratulatory team who has produced it and the politicians who supported it and that's because it puts the climate emergency and the biodiversity emergency clearly as the overarching concerns having said that and given those congratulations I think we also need to recognise that there really isn't much choice in terms of that only really now vested interests and ideologs will not recognise that these are actually more significant issues than the planning system has previously treated them and I'm very conscious that there's actually quite a lot of international interest in MPF4 again other places other countries grappling with the same sort of issues and how you actually use the planning system to deliver on these global priorities so I think there's a lot of good stuff that said I think there's still a risk that will fall short of the aspirations and in a sense this is the easy bit to write the overarching strategy and to strike the high notes and as people have been saying during the morning there's a lot more work that will be needed in terms of spanning out the detail how we actually deliver in terms of the details and just some of the things which could still be tweaked in the policies and it's echoing some of the things that Caroline was saying embedding gender as an issue I think in the policy on play which is number 21 recognise that the needs of girls older girls are not really recognised in there and basically I might seem as an odd guy to be talking about the needs of older girls but my understanding is they'd like to hang out in places with their mates basically and so that puts an emphasis on safe public spaces as a really key factor housing I think the debate still is dominated by the housing land issues in a week where we've seen issues with the quality of social rented housing in a tragic case down in England I think we need to see social housing as essential national infrastructure and this also feeds into economic side of things because it's crucial that there's available housing for care workers for NHS people whole range of key workers whose needs are not well addressed by the current debates about affordability the really obvious thing if you take affordability based upon average incomes meaning incomes it really misses the point because you should really be looking at the model income because very high incomes distort what the average is so you're actually factoring in misleading information into that definition now I know there's a working group on this but that's the kind of thing we need to look at and the quality of existing housing I'll be very quick with just two or three others policy 20c protects regional and parts from development incompatible with use these habitats and character I think that should also apply to urban parks urban parks are really really important in terms of the health and wellbeing agenda they're important in the mobility and it's just as important to protect those spaces from development that's incompatible as it is with the national parks health and safety policy 23 again I think it needs to give more emphasis on conserving existing urban green spaces there should be a clear presumption against loss of green space on health and wellbeing grounds and finally and then I'll hand back to the questions community well-pony discussion in the previous session some interesting data just came out yesterday I think from who owns Urban Scotland showing that most of our retail centres are actually owned by offshore companies so that's the exact opposite of community wealth building it's community wealth extraction so I think that in terms of 26e business and industry and 27a town centres there should be a requirement to demonstrate a contribution to community wealth building to embed it through the system I'll shut up there and check questions thank you very much for those answers and please don't shut up because you know you're bringing in new things from you this morning which I think is really important and Cliff you already began to touch on climate and climate and nature crisis and I asked the question in the previous panels and I think it's maybe more of a kind of planning question I think phased a few folks in the last panel but in practical terms what is the requirement for decision makers to give significant weight to the global climate and nature crisis mean for development management and development planning across Scotland I think I just broadly endorse what Planned Democracy was saying earlier this morning that there needs to be clarity the planners need to feel that when it goes to appeal the reporters and government decision makers have got their back on these sort of issues because these issues will be contested there's no doubt about it I mean everybody's in favour in general terms of saving the planet it's just don't do it to me so there will be times where it comes to crunch at appeal there's a concern I think from practicing planners about getting into appeal situations which are very resource demanding and it must be seen that there is real support for these as priority issues and it needs embedding as well through the training and so forth again as other people have been saying earlier and I think it also needs reflecting in the monitoring and I could say more about that later if you want I completely agree that I think we discussed this in the last session about the need for the language to be clearer so that developers are clear about what wasn't allowed and what they couldn't push on and local authorities have the support then to refuse applications and confident that they wouldn't lose on appeal and have costs awarded against them I think there is still a need for clarity I think we're much closer than we were because it's much clearer that significant weight must be given and there aren't those kind of accept emissions must be reduced accept where they can't be that's gone so that's really helpful but I think it's still going to be that test of in practice are local authorities confident enough to refuse significant developments because they've waited for that as a deciding factor Thanks very much for that I'm going to move on to questions from Miles Griffin Miles Griffin's it's been a long morning merging my colleagues Mark Griffin who's joining us online Thanks Cymru similar vein to the questions I've asked the previous panels there's been considerable emphasis on the Government on focusing on economic growth and I just wanted to ask witnesses if they're confident that that is compatible with the approach to planning that is set out in the AFT-NPF4 document Thank you The principle of the NPF supporting development is still there and of course development is one of the things that is synonymous with economic growth so I don't have any concerns that this is going too far in regulating against development and not supporting economic growth I am one of the people that was very critical of the previous kind of sustainable economic growth kind of fudge so I'm a bit happier I think with this version which does prioritise the environmental principles and the environmental goals but it still allows for growth it doesn't legislate against that at all so I don't think there's a problem I think similar thing the sustainable economic growth definition that we had failed to mention either resources or conservation neither of those two words came in the definition which made it a rather peculiar way of approaching the notion of sustainability but I think probably more could be done actually with NPF4 and particularly when we come to the regional spatial strategies in terms of delivering different types of growth I mean I think we're all in favour of growth and wellbeing as long as it's in an appropriate form and I did actually run the draft past a colleague in South Africa an academic there and he did actually feel that it was light on the productive places side but I think some of that is because it's tucked into the what's now the appendix on the different regional strategies I think just to take one illustration I think we need to look at what the spatial dimension is of things like circular economy and what are the spatial catchments for key growth areas in recycling and where do you locate them and how do we progress them through the system so I think more probably does need to be done but really shining a spatial analysis angle on it and grasping again the potential of community wealth building is contributing to economic growth by recycling the investment and returns rather than seeing it extracted okay that's an interesting point on that I think Mark you're done with your question Gell okay we're now going to move on to questions from Marie McNair thank you good morning panel it's the same line of questions from the other two panels Dr Brown they'd like to ask if you're satisfied to the terms such as community wealth building and 20 minute neighbourhoods are now well defined and understood to provide a robust basis for planning decision making it's really keen to hear your views on this as others have commented previously I think we've come a long way from the previous version so it's much clearer what we mean here and I notice also that some of the language around 20 minute neighbourhoods has kind of been drawn back underneath the place principle rather than as the headline it's also helpful allowing us to kind of think about and articulate the nuances of different contexts so the as someone was saying earlier the urban, the suburban, the rural, the island contexts are really important and having policies which are flexible enough to allow planners and practitioners to interpret that in those contexts I think is really helpful so I think we've moved much closer I don't think community wealth building is there yet I think there's still lots of questions around that and as we've seen in previous discussions people are saying this is quite a new concept in industry it's quite a new concept in local authorities so I think there's always room for more elaboration and particularly on that quite new use of language quite new idea so 20 minute neighbourhoods I think is much clearer because there's a lot more work around that a lot more understanding but the community wealth building is clearer than it was but still room for further elaboration and that may come in separate documents rather than within the NPF itself thank you there's needs for follow-ups and advice and research I think 20 minute neighbourhood remains a little bit more problematic than perhaps Caroline suggests me again I said there's international interest in what's being done here and I got an email last week from distinguished German special planning Professor Klaus Kunsmann saying look I've just seen the Scottish MPF4 and what it's saying about community wealth building I've got a blog on this that I've done in German but I'll translate it into English if you want and can you publish it on your websites so that's what I did and what Klaus argues firstly that it was a kind of political ploy in Paris by Anne Hidalgo to mobilise support but more fundamentally that he argues that there's a risk that because similar people live in similar neighbourhoods that you kind of trap people trap poorer people in poorer neighbourhoods and wealthier people in wealthy neighbourhoods and the more that key resources are concentrated in the neighbourhood the more that social divide exists I think what Klaus takes for granted because it's based in Dortmund is that you're in a large urban agglomeration I think that risk is greater in the bigger cities perhaps bigger than any we've got in Scotland than it is particularly in the small towns for example where there is only one school one secondary school where people are more likely to share facilities but I do think that needs looked at and similarly what happens if one of the key local facilities isn't there how serious is it if there isn't a local health centre compared with say a local secondary school so I think there's a number of issues still to be teased out on this and the context of local authority austerity it's a real question mark about sustaining those essential services that can knit together the 20 minute neighbour in the ways it's seen so I'm supportive but I do think that it needs quite a lot of work and every place is different you know it needs some sophisticated local understanding to deliver it to good effect thank you for that and the last question obviously was about the numerous references to the infrastructure first approach in the revised MPF4 and just to ask really has it been delivered in practice of what needs to change infrastructure first makes a lot of sense one of the critiques we've got of the previous system is it's been kind of infrastructure second or third or maybe later and so it's integral to a planning approach but then going back to where we were it does mean there has to be confidence in the local development plans that they have to be bold, they have to be leading documents, plan led documents and not things that are then overturned on appeal and the that also needs though the co-ordination of the infrastructure providers and the different sections of Scottish Government I should have said I very much liked table one I think what people call in the matrix I thought that was really good not least because it connected with the sustainable development goals and carried things through it seems to me that I would say this as a planner wouldn't I that planners can see that everything affects everything else I just hope that we can get to a situation where the sectoral providers whether it be health, transport, environment whatever we can also see that everything affects everything else and you need a plan to put it together and I think one of the acid tests will be how you can actually make that infrastructure first idea work across the system through the different types of plans we now got with regional spatial strategies I'm still not totally convinced about the city region deals how far they really tie into that rather than into a couple of priorities of really key big players you know I think there's a lot of alignment still to be done but at least the MPF4 this iteration more than any of the previous three is trying to do that and I give credit for that Thank you doctor so lots of lots of things that Cliff has already said I would agree with and I think infrastructure first I remember that we talked about this last time as well I'm really supportive of this but I'm also really supportive of the infrastructure-led development and there's a question there about whether or not the resource is there to deliver infrastructure ahead of development so particularly doing that longer term planning thing where we're saying we're going to be expanding this settlement on the eastern edge and we're going to put in now those corridors for the public transports bus links and for the site and walking infrastructure and we're going to put that infrastructure in even though the houses in that area aren't going to be there for maybe five or ten more years and I think there's still a question about the ability of local government and the Scottish government to do that and to deliver it so infrastructure first is a really important idea but I think we still haven't yet seen it being delivered convincingly in practice and we do not see in Scotland infrastructure first infrastructure-led development in a way that some other countries manage to do so still some questions for me about the one Thank you Some interesting points there and definitely big questions on that infrastructure-led development I think that's an interesting perspective We're now going to go online with Annie Wells Thank you I'm going to go back to the sort of a question asked to the other panels which is about the every local place plan and it having to have regard to NPF4 Now looking at the draft document how confident are you that community bodies will be able to do this but also from the last panel is how do we reach out to these community bodies and where there's communities that don't have any community bodies where I come from I come from quite a deprived area in Glasgow we don't have that community cohesion or bodies that are there to do that so how do we get communities involved in this that's to either first I think that the best way to get communities involved is to have a threat that always puts people on the streets and into public meetings but more seriously the planning system does remain quite daunting to people I'd have to declare interest as being a patron of Paz planning A Scotland as was so I think Paz has done a good job of trying to provide facilitating support but it again needs backing and also from the point of view of being chair of the coban association again I'm very ambitious here in Edinburgh even in Edinburgh where there's obviously a lot of resource and expertise within community groups that a lot of groups still do find the system difficult to negotiate and we get loads of people phoning up the coban association saying X, Y, Z happening can you help and very often it's too late because they get involved at the point where the application is there at the bottom of the street but it's already gone through the local development plan and the NPF process but also as a small charity we're now finding life very difficult our energy bills have gone up our staffing costs have gone up cost of living crisis means that our membership has been steady but we haven't really got the capacity to provide the help that we could provide if we had a bit more resource there that we could draw upon so I do think that local place plans need to be resource they need to be able to tap into the expertise that is in communities and find ways to make that effective in terms of connecting with the issues on the ground so I think there's two elements to this one you started off with is about the way in which the local place plans interact with NPF4 and I think NPF4 is a lot clearer than it was and it's a lot easier to understand but I think the idea of there being a simplified laypersons version I think would be really helpful to distill this even further down and that would make it easier for local place plans of communities on the ground to see how what they're thinking about in their place would link through to the principles in NPF4 so I think there's some technical, practical work to be done about NPF4 and how it links up with the local place plan but I think this other question about getting community involvement is also predicated on the purpose of the local place plan and being able to convince people that there is something to be gained in the community from buying into it and something to be gained which is not just saying no we don't want that housing retail park, nuclear power station or whatever it is to pop up in that part of our neighbourhood but it's actually much more positive about the future and I think that's the trick that we need to master I don't think we're there a requirement for resourcing and skills development in local authorities and without reach whether that's coming through PAS or another organisation into communities to help them to do it but we also can't force communities that's the other thing so we have to it's a little bit of a tightrope to how to communicate that and support it for communities that want to do it and get to a place where we're able to articulate the value of it, what are they going to get out what's going to be the upshot for them and something that's much more positive than just stopping this bad thing that they're worried about I did think there's a leadership role here I think we need to have high profile statements that this is a change in the way the planning system is going to work we're about climate change net zero biodiversity and this is really going to be reflected through the system and I think if you start talking in those terms and pick your monitoring indicators as well as a key list you can begin to turn around this image that what we've got is a process driven bureaucratic system that is impenetrable for the ordinary person and that is really dominated by the KC's and the big investors and if we can begin to show that through using the planning system with the local place plans you can actually enhance your local biodiversity using the planning system and the local place plans you can explore the concept of community wealth building and see local benefits from it I think you could begin to change the way that involvement is seen I find that very helpful thank you both and thank you there's an opportunity for some well-skilled community facilitators around that it's very interesting how to pull community wealth building through local place plans exciting work to be done we're now going to move to questions from Paul McClellan thank you I'm going to ask the same questions that I asked the previous two panels it was on your views on the delivery programme obviously are companies, NPF4 including the establishment of the planning infrastructure in place advisory group and one of the key things the other question was really just asking about are there one of the key things we were keen to focus on was in regards to monitoring the effectiveness of NPF4 so are there any indicators that you would like to see as part of that Professor Hague first of all it really follows on from what I was just saying I would scrap the stakeholder group of applicants why I would do that is because I don't think the primary aim of NPF4 is to speed up the rate at which planning decisions are taken I'm not saying that doesn't matter I'm not saying that we should slow down decisions I'm just saying that's not climate change that's not net zero that's not biodiversity so why do we prioritise that going back in the previous question when you start saying that the key stakeholders are applicants where does that leave everybody else a message you're on the outside so I would suggest that we have a citizen stakeholder group but they're serviced by some expert professionals by the people who can actually talk serious science on carbon reduction by the people who know what the impact is on biodiversity and feed that in and help then interrogate the annual data that will be provided by the Scottish Government I'd also go for some hopefully eye catching summative headline indicators so for example for sustainable places could we look at something like the area of peat restored in the last year you know tell people that the planning system is about protecting peatlands because that really matters could we for liveable places look at the number of buildings demolished in the past year and hopefully see that declining because we know the most sustainable building is an existing building could we talk about the percentage of new buildings new developments that have got sustainable urban drainage systems that's approved so that we begin to see the way that the planning system is influencing development for the good I've already mentioned the issue around affordable housing could we see that as a key indicator of the system that we increase the number of affordable housing I'd also like to see something on homelessness on productive places percentage of empty town centre properties hopefully going down the number of facilities approved in development proposals for all forms of renewable low carbon and zero emission technologies and so on so I think you know if we get a select group of indicators and I know how feeding through citizen groups you know we could we could begin to change things not just run it forward in the way we have done in the past it's quite a complicated question isn't it I think on the delivery plan as others have said it would be useful that we had this separate document and it set out a lot of the plans around different groups and monitoring and things it does look terribly complicated and quite resource intensive and I suppose Cliff's alluded to the fact that perhaps there's room for changing the focus of that the make up of those those groups and are they doing are they reflecting the things that we want them to reflect so that's the first thing as others have said in previous panels I think there are loads of questions about the resource available to deliver this and I think that also needs to be part of the monitoring so to look at the resources that are being put into the implementation of the national projects for example so how much is being delivered how much how much budget has been allocated and what has actually been delivered on the ground and in line with what Cliff was saying that actually helps tell a message tell a story about what the national planning framework is helping to deliver on the ground and I think that would be really helpful to know I think there might also be some value in doing some work looking back at what has previously been delivered by NPF3 and that national level planning so that's one part of it so we've talked about the delivery bodies and the monitoring in here the groups in here we've talked about the resourcing and I think staffing people have talked about the number of planners I know there's work on going around bringing more people into the planning profession I think that would be an easy something to monitor to see actually are we having do we actually have more planners within the Scottish Government to do these things and implement this new revised NPF4 and then there's a series of questions about the monitoring of the impact and the difference and I think Cliff's given us some really nice ideas there the delivery programme also has some indicators in it but I don't think they quite get at what's changed and I think this is also a really tricky question without having some clear baselines about what the current carbon intensity of housing developments is as opposed to the future carbon intensity of schemes coming through the system and I think that's quite hard but I think again there's some room for thinking about that so biodiversity would be another one again as kind of a high level objective of NPF4 you know how do we measure impact of the new policies on developments that are coming through the system and are consented under the new arrangements versus things that were consented in the past but I think there's also something about only focusing on development that comes through the system and what the old ones look like and what the new ones look like but we also need to look at these wider measures of place and quality because NPF4 sets the agenda for those as well so it isn't just about new housing and new retail it's about those other improvements and again can we create any indicators which capture that community level there's been quite a bit of work around 20 minute neighbourhood potential and maybe that would give another opportunity for a baseline about what the current potential is and then in the future are we actually seeing more areas with greater potential for 20 minute neighbourhoods because these policies are having an effect so I think that's enough that's been very helpful for that sorry but one quote at a national level monitoring will initially focus on reviewing appeal decisions and reflecting on the progress of new LDPs in the local development plans system young people concerned about the future of the planet and not going round saying let's monitor how the LDPs are progressing let's monitor the appeal system that there matters for the bureaucrats if you wonder why people see planning as bureaucratic it's because of sentences like that it's because this is the inside game that's being played rather than looking at what we're really trying to do I think our challenge obviously is to monitor just so many things that you've suggested and go deeper beyond that and that's the role of this committee so that's been very helpful so thank you so we know where we're going we've got four well we maybe got four more questions but I'm going to pass over to Miles Briggs thank you convener I'll try to cut my name to just two I wanted to ask in terms of both the climate and nature crisis it's quite clear from your opinion that's been captured within MPF4 do you think in relation to the housing crisis that should also be very much on the face of the plan as well yeah I do but let's define the housing crisis it's a crisis of homelessness which doesn't get a mention and it's particularly a crisis of affordability and there are special differences in that as you've already mentioned the Edinburgh situation so yes it's there but you have to get serious about what we mean by affordability you have to rethink the notion that build to rent about making housing more affordable I mean if you had £10,000 to invest would you put it in build to rent if you thought rents were going to become more affordable or if you thought rents were going to continue to escalate so I think that that's quite a crucial point also I think we need to recognise hopefully hearing Edinburgh that we are going to reclaim a number of probably thousands of houses that were lost to investors in short term less which were done as we know without the change of use and the new control zone that's now being stated but yes I would say particularly social housing as essential infrastructure because you need it for social reasons but you also need it for economic reasons you know you can't get people affordable housing close to work who are on low incomes you begin to have knock-on effects in labour supply etc we all know in the economic system so it's not an either or but yes I would support that idea what he said definitely we talked last time about short term less and some of those things unintended consequences of things happening in the world particularly in Edinburgh but in other bits of Scotland as well we know the islands are very affected by some of that so there's always room to do more and to echo some of the thoughts of previous speakers NPF4 can't do everything so NPF4 sets the colour policy context for housing but it's not responsible itself for housing delivery and having good social housing provided for by paid for by local authorities in Scotland is another mechanism for helping to resolve this so there's always always a lot more to do and there's a lot of nuance around housing that maybe isn't reflected in here in the fullest extent but we have to also recognise the limitations of what NPF4 can do that's helpful I would like to go into lots of detail about data sets but I don't think we've got time to do that necessarily today but it'd be helpful to get your opinions beyond this on where that currently is within NPF4 my final question was returning to something you raised earlier Professor Hague with regards to gender because I was interested and I think by and large many of the comments we've received as a committee point towards what is often a male dominated industry and then decisions taken not necessarily taken to account other views basically especially with regards to street layout lighting, things like that that's been raised with us several occasions so I just wondered do you think the policies in the revised NPF4 will actually deliver on a built environment that meets the needs of women, children and disabled people? Again I think it's a start on where we're at but this is again one of the areas where it needs continuing leadership it needs people saying these are material considerations these are things that we're taking seriously and it needs to feed into the training and so forth as well but it's a step in the right direction and there are other inequalities that also need to be tied together on that I could say quite a lot on this and I mentioned at the beginning that I thought one of the changes has been to thread equalities into specific policies in a much more effective way than in the previous version so I think that is a really helpful thing but we have to be clear that the responsibility here is on the planners and the professionals within the system to implement the policies it's not on women in the community or disabled people to come forward and say what is wrong and what needs to be fixed so I think that's a really important thing I think there was in one place something about women I can't remember but I'll have to look it up but there was one moment that I thought ah we have to recognise the current inequalities and address them and I think this goes a little bit further than what's in here so for example if we look at active travel we know that men are cycling twice as much as women in Scotland and why is that and we know from research that women are more risk-averse and they feel that the current cycle infrastructure does not meet their needs and that might be because some of the things on offer are off-road paths I can just thinking through Holyrood park here there's some lovely off-road paths that women tend not to find attractive and safe particularly on a dark afternoon or at night so the women are forced to make a choice between a personal risk so personal safety risk versus traffic safety risk and that is something we have to understand and address in our design cycling by design does quite a good job on that so that has been revised but designing streets is still outstanding and the revision to designing streets needs to address these things more clearly to explain how existing patterns of development affect particular groups and then the sorts of designs which overcome those problems for women for people with disabilities for people with different types of needs whether that's a mobility impairment or a visual impairment or whatever so I think we're still looking for some of that guidance to catch up with where we need to be so I think it is really helpful what's in here but we still could go much further and just on children I really liked the policy on play and one of my kind of asks in relation to delivery and perhaps monitoring is looking at designing streets and how that articulates how to build play into new streets so the policy is really clear that new developments, new neighbourhoods new streets should make play accessible for independent mobility for children and make it accessible but we need to have the guidance and the exemplars in there so that out in the world so that practitioners can see what it looks like and then deliver it Thanks very much Miles and thanks for those responses I'm going to now move to Willie Coffey who's been patiently waiting Thank you, convener Good morning to you and I'm really glad that you've widened the discussion out some of the issues that concern me as a local member and have done for many years I suppose I was very hopeful that it would be solved within NPF and I'd like to get your views on whether you think they are Professor Hague, you talked about things like derelict buildings and empty shops and offshore retail owners and the inability perhaps to reach out to those bits of society to get them to play their part that's very much a hope that I had for NPF that we would be able to reach some of that stuff and in our town or village in Scotland you'll see examples of that all over the place urban dereliction and decay abandoned shops, abandoned land absentee owners absentee shareholders whoever they may be and I thought to myself was the role for NPF for addressing that big issue because that's what matters to my citizens in my constituency and you talked about maybe we should have citizens stakeholders and solutions to that so could you give us some views about whether it was too much to expect to NPF4 to address that and what could we do additionally to help NPF4 to reach that sort of problem in the urban setting? Yeah, I think it probably is too much to expect NPF4 to repopulate the town centres of small towns across Scotland it is a national strategy and it is set in the framework as it says but I think that the issue is best tackled at local level I think that NPF4 sets the direction it raises the issues we've already been talking about this morning which are helpful I did some work when I was chair of built environment for Scotland on a particularly smaller towns in Scotland but in every case virtually I think there was a challenge in the town centre and you have to understand those local situations you know how key is the father local traders which properties are owned by local companies firms and which are owned by branches of global investors because one thing that struck me was that where you've got a local owner who's renting renting it out to a shopkeeper or whatever there were much more realistic about rent levels in some of these places than what you got from the decisions that were being taken by an algorithm in middle sex or something so you also need to see just what is the condition of the nature of the buildings but crucially the public sector still has a really big role to play and one of the difficulties that we've hit over the last 10, 15 years or so is the loss of key public buildings like district courts which tend to have a prominent building in the centre of course the loss of the old town halls going back to the 1970s but still felt and more recently the relocation of some council offices to new build in some cases edge city sites leaving behind property in the centre which then becomes empty and again this run down effect because these are prominent buildings town halls were making a statement about how important the town was so there weren't little side things so I think you've got to have some sort of agency at local level that will do the legwork do the trade connecting try and come up with feasible strategies explore where the scope for new investment it's not going to be easy because we know e-retailing the cost of living crisis there's a whole range of things that are going to be hard to overcome but unless you've got that sort of feet on the ground with the local know-how the vision and the ability to network across different stakeholders it's going to be even more difficult but if we can do that I think it could be really transformative I agree with lots of things that Cliff has talked about and I just wanted to mention the Scottish Land Commission's work because they've done lots of stuff around derelict land and some of the things that they've proposed there about which would give local authorities tools to actually acquire assets and bring them back into use and bring them back to development and of course I think this issue also intersects with the policies around community wealth building and obviously communities of assets transfer so those possibilities for communities to acquire those sites and to turn them from bank or whatever it is into some community hub there's quite a few examples of that and I think that's a really positive part of this so to see the support that's in NPF4 in the policy but the tools itself are not delivered by NPF4 I think there are some other tools that sit alongside if they don't already they should be coming forward through some of those other initiatives like the ones that the Scottish Land Commission have proposed one of the advantages of decline is property becomes cheap so it becomes easier to get in so we really need to try and look at how you can use easy in easy out cheap accommodation as a basis for start-ups and tapping local entrepreneurial capabilities fostering that leading it but it does demand this willingness to actually think beyond are we going to approve a planning application within eight weeks it's that very issue that I find is really difficult to answer if an old building perhaps in a town like Comarnham for example has several purposes over many years and perhaps there's an application to use it in some new purpose or other that we might collectively or elected members of the citizens of the town might not agree with planners feel impeded in changing the mind if it's already provided for that particular change of use how do we inject that kind of sense of we think differently about what the town should be and what that building should be used for don't see it in there and I don't think having discussed these issues with local planners that they feel they have the ability to do that so who should do it should it be here citizen stakeholder group pushing from the bottom up or should it be some other mechanism I'm trying to get to Ice plan which might help you I think there are these other policies around community assets and community wealth building and also 20 minute neighbourhoods which also could support the alternative community visions for what a place could be and what buildings could be used for so no we don't want this bowling alley or whatever what we want is community hub where people can do this and this and this I see have seen several of those sorts of things coming forward so community groups saying we need a hub we need something that can be used by families in the day with small children that older people can come and keep warm and have a coffee and a nata can be used for after school activities or evening classes these sorts of things I think there are policies here which could support that the mechanisms the resources for doing it are perhaps the missing part of the jigsaw so I think MPF4 kind of enhances the potential value of all existing buildings because of the net zero commitment and the thing I said earlier the existing building is the most sustainable building so in principle it should give a high priority to finding new uses for existing buildings having said all that the downside is it can be very complex and you need a coherent business plan there's only so many community hubs you can keep going and the tragedy is that enthusiasts can get drawn into something with what seems like a nice idea and they're going to run a cafe or whatever it is but it really needs also a coherent business plan behind it or else you just set in some people up to fail so it's again we need these kind of dynamic local actors and I think they can be from different situations there may be planners, there may be councillors it may depend on the local situation you know in the end my Scandinavian friends talk about souls on fire and that's what you need somebody who's daft enough committed enough thinks outside the box enough to make something happen and what we need to do what councillors need to do and what planners need to do is to be engaged with those people and supportive and sympathetic and I'll go back there's a lot of expertise in communities in many of them it's not evenly spread but I mean I find with the Colburn you know we've got people on the Colburn who know more about some things than people in the council do right now we need to find ways to bring that type of expertise into a more positive relationship with local authorities across Scotland thank you so much for that I love that phrase that souls on fire we need many more of them local in across Scotland thank you for that question so that brings our questions to the end and I just want to say thank you so much for joining us this morning actually we've moved into the afternoon and for opening up the conversation broadening the topic and we'll be continuing our evidence taking on MPF4 next week's meeting where we'll hear from the minister for public finance, planning and community wealth and I'll now suspend the meeting briefly so our witnesses can leave the third item on our agenda today is to consider a negative instrument the assured tenancy and private residential tenancies prescribed notices and forms miscellaneous temporary legislation Scotland regulations 2022 as this is a negative instrument there is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendation on it members will note that the delegated powers and law reform committee reported the instrument to the parliament on the grounds that it failed to comply with laying requirements in terms of timings however the delegated powers committee was content with the Scottish Government's explanation of the reasons for this breach so any comments on the instrument our members so no comments our members agreed that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to this instrument agreed we agreed at the start of this meeting to take the next two items in private so as we have no more public business today I now close the public part of the meeting


You definitely get the duck get all the different types of duck the country-style duck the honey roasted duck get them all They saw didn't retreat. I ain't retreating There is said to be eight different Chinatowns around New York nowadays and probably the most talked about is Manhattan and Flushing But do not sleep on Brooklyn's 8th Ave because it might just be low-key the cheapest and most diverse There's Chongqing chicken pot. No frills fujinis honey roast duck chundu grilled fish top tier egg tarts And of course, Asian McDonald's sandwiches. So hit that like button and let's take a trip to Brooklyn Guys before we get started on this 8th Avenue Sunset Park food crawl make sure you like subscribe leave a comment below for the Algorithm and turn on your notifications according to this eater NY article There are nine different Chinese enclaves or mini Chinatowns in New York City Of course the three biggest being Manhattan Flushing in 8th Ave And a lot of people have been asking us to do this video for quite some time today We are exploring Brooklyn Chinatown a lot of Chinese people started moving to 8th Ave in particular back in the late 1980s and some people say that a lot of Chinese people started because of the number 8 I don't know if that's the main reason but it might have had a little effect because especially in Cantonese Bot rhymes with fought fought is prosperity. It could be a prosperity road. So we're here on 8th and 57th This is a very busy corner. I see durians hanging. We got guys working right here And even the world famous Shin-Fa bakery with their don tot is right there We might have to get in line and we are in Hong Chow district Shanghai right now That's the vibe I get man We like in the outskirts of Shanghai to think that it was only just like 31 years ago when Chinese people really started Moving into this area and they set up a lot of businesses. I still saw some old Italians hanging out I saw a couple, you know, Vinnie and Donnie's out here. So, you know They thought didn't retreat I ain't retreating they loved a little e-bikes out here I don't know who's pushing those in Sunset Park, but I've seen 20 of them already guys. Have you never been to China? Yo, look how low rise that thing is What is famous about this place The egg tarts, the egg tarts are so good There's always a line for the egg tarts because it's fresh and it's crispy.  Shin-Fa bakery. These are the most famous egg tarts They're po-tots the Portuguese style in New York City. Nice flaky exterior brown on the inside size pretty big You know, it's funny. There's some really famous chashu bao's at Mei Lai Wa in Chinatown, but there's not famous Don't hot no don't I and they're fresh like they just made it like freshly made All right They sell so many that like almost every don't hot you get is gonna be fresh.  Let's just take a bite. Cheers. Hey Does it live up to the hype? They might be the best ones in New York City. I Would give these a 4.5 out of 5. I think the size and the deal that you get you cannot beat Mmm. Mmm. What do you think about it? Like how do you describe it versus like the other ones you have like other places? It's like I don't get diarrhea from this You mean unlike the other spots. Yeah. Yeah. Hey say no more Kelly Hey Brooklyn keeps it real aren't they sort of like the Floyd Mayweather of Don Tots pound for pound But Mike Tyson of course would have destroyed Floyd, but you just got to compare it in class I did want to say Floyd, but Floyd gets paid so much that I don't know that might mess up the analogy But maybe I'm overthinking it. Yeah, Floyd Mayweather You didn't expect to see legitimate luxury goods on the street, huh? Dang, man. I feel like I'm on Rodeo or Madison I mean look at this Oh This is 60 she said 60 bucks for the Yeezy's man as you can see the face is looking good. You got the boost here No, I know a couple people who would rock these so the community is definitely a lot tighter than you'd say the city and then I'm like Chinatown or like Right because it's more of a local population that's been here right where's Chinatown so he's in and out in and out You guys probably don't have a lot of tourists, right? Uh, no actually no nine eight out But like 86 Street or like Manhattan, you know, they're up and coming guys We're at roast 28 here on the corner of 52nd and eight This spot is considered to have the best cheap roast meats even better than wafung in Chinatown, New York You know they're serious about their duck here because they have two different styles They have a ton of different styles of chicken even go guy, which is salt-baked chicken country style Which is a stewed chicken of course typical soy sauce scallion chickens roast wings now I get to something fun Okay, and I want to try all the different duck you have because you have three different style of duck, right? The operation here at roast 28. It is very advanced. There's a lot of people behind there Um, it is a little bit more expensive. So for two each something fun was 850 now That's actually still really cheap considering the quality here But of course, it's a little bit more than wafung, but I guarantee you here They might they might say it's better than wafung so, you know I'm not even gonna pretend like I can differentiate the yim go guy in the honey roast duck in the country stewed duck right now I got to eat it. Okay. This was definitely the country stewed duck Right guys here is the salt-baked chicken. This is something that you can't find at every sue may spot going for a place of the Honey roast up. Wow really good Really good. All right, I'm gonna try this chashu This chashu looks picture-esque, but let's see how juicy it is Mmm, okay, not bad. I thought it was gonna be dry great candy on the outside. Oh Clear out. This guy don't care anyways I'm gonna go ahead and say that roast 28 dollar for dollar is the best deal in New York City for Cantonese roast meats It's not the best I've ever had but for the price and the speed it might be the best My recommendation here If I'm the roast 28 you definitely get the duck get all the different types of duck the country style duck the honey roasted duck Get them all Get the duck Continuing on our sunset park eighth ave crawl. We actually moved over to seventh ave to what Somebody told me was the best search one restaurant that nobody knows about in the entire new york city David we're outside of I think I got the tones completely wrong Tuan Tiansha, but this is Tuan Tiansha Tuan Tiansha is a chain from Chengdu Uh, I believe they do not have any in Flushing or Chinatown Manhattan. Let's check it out We are at the hottest search one restaurant in New York City that is not being talked about Uh, Tuan Tiansha Tuan Tiansha the brand. Okay, so this is okay Brooklyn brand. Yes. A lot of people having Cantonese food and Cantonese food they might want some other Spicy food. So that's my favorite. Andrew. This is the 52 dollar and 99 cent grouper I also got the uh, neuro pin, which is the fatty beef slices for I think like four or five I'm excited because they have the potato noodles right here. This is one of my favorite noodles of all search one grilled fish Okay, Andrew, I know they said that it wasn't bony the grouper, but Be warned. There are still some bones Uh, this would be a pretty tough dish. I feel like for non-asians to get into to be honest like I like it But um, just like the intensity of it. I think even abc's would be shook. This is a search one liang fun As you guys can see clear jelly noodle. This is pretty good Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's good I really like this liang fun because it has a lot of fresh chopped garlic So it's got that fragrance and that spice but also has a lot of sweetness. I'm feeling this dish. This is my favorite one right here Yo, the liang fun was hitting that was crazy because you know, you can get liang fun at a lot of spots But this was a 10 out of 10. Wow, this is my this is some of my favorite liang fun I've ever had all right, and we are taking a look at two fujinese dishes There you can find them in chinatown, but not exactly like this I heard that this is more similar to the style that they're eating in fuzhou in 2021 There's a chinatown style that's almost like a hybrid with the kanto look Um, and i'm looking at a razor clams spare rib soup now. I cannot find the razor clams I can just only assume it's in the flavoring of the broth unless there was some sort of misinterpretation But it smells very good. This soup was only six bucks. Wow soup For six bucks with spare ribs guys noodles for 250. I got a lot of food to eat today So i'm only going to take one big bite of this. Let's go Here's my take on the ban min I might actually like the one in the city more only because they're using more sweeter peanut butter So it kind of has that sweetness flavor to it while this one It is actually very high quality and i'm enjoying it the flavor is a lot lighter And there's less sweetness to the peanut butter. Oh my goodness enter. It almost tastes like dad made it It's not too salty this Rib soup with the clam juice is hitting One of the owners just came out. She asked me is this video going to be on doying And I said, you know youtube she did not know what that was So then I just said, yeah, it's going to be on doying. So somebody out there put this on doying Next spot is something that I believe is completely unique from manhattan's china town from flushing This is a chongqing chicken hot pot Now, uh, I think a lot of people are familiar with the mala dry hot pot The things that you might get your lotus leaf your spam and all that other stuff But david this is a little bit different. I've never had chongqing chicken pop before so I'm actually super excited to try this. It told me it's going to take about 20 minutes Hopefully, you know, we'll go in their order check out some other stuff come back Let's do it. Oh my goodness Man, this is really interesting guys, there's holes in these chopsticks so that you can take these extendo clips You know what it is andrew this allows you to get a fresh pair of new chopsticks all the time Guys, you know what it is. They're not wasting an entire chopstick. They're just using half of one So I guess it does help the environment a little bit.  And not only that andrew I have a beef tongue that I added in Wow Yo, yo, I got I got I got crazy theory They crazy theory for the mainstream like americans. They know sechuan or seshuan And they kind of know like chun do a little bit more But chongqing is coming in there with a lot of flavor and it's not as well known about region chongqing is like the austin texas On the rise. This is a pretty interesting map right here, andrew. Uh, you have all the major cities in red right here Here you have beijing. I know how to read that one, but then Dave you said this one's tianjin I was hoping that that was going to be shandong like something where it's shandong Oh, let me see now. Is that not chingdao? Let me see where shandong is It might not be I think a lot of people always think of manhattan china town flushing when it comes to boba But they actually have a unique chain to eighth ab brooklyn only mud flow The mud flow menu is going to mimic actually the drinks that are really popular in china because so many people In eighth ab are from china. I think that they're carrying over the taste Yeah, I got a strawberry milk with strawberry jam pretty unique looking. Yeah. No, this looks really cool And then here I actually have this brown sugar orio latte. So this is a coffee drink They he said to shake it up before you drink it There is a mud flow of sweetness flowing through my veins, but I like it David I always wondered why at bogus shops Sometimes they'll just have a sweet milk drink because I feel like americans wouldn't do that But here's the thing in america When you grow up very like, you know with that american culture you end up drinking a lot of milk So you don't think milk drinks are that special But to chinese people, maybe they don't grow up drinking as much milk So when they're not cow milk, so when they get the chance to drink cow milk and just strawberry jam to them That's a special drink.  Give it to me We got a gory youtube s**t Stink industry or if not the distinct neighborhood regarding the fujinese population mixed with mandarin or if not thaisanese Me, I'm thoisan. I'm thaisanese itself So if you mix all these two together, especially with the shopping and also down the restaurant part asia I'm really close with them. Be honest Was there any beef between like the fujinese and the Cantonese like at some point here? I believe so. I believe so. Maybe we've got to ask our ancestors, man But for the young kids, they're not about that, right? Everybody's good. No, we're all good. We're all abc's at the end of the day So David three years ago actually with our friend jack in sinmei I actually did a brooklyn crawl So I hit up a lot of the old spots like the kai fang Dumpling and stuff like that But this spot lao jea was not around and this is kind of symbolic of how the change of eighth av is happening Right, it's the modernization the elevation the commercialization A lot of people like to come here and hang out. So let's go check it out real quick All right, so lao jea is actually a chain from fujin And so they came here to flushing a few years ago and they've just really just grown in popularity since so I'm not going to have time to eat hot pot on this trip. But hey Lin shu hao jay lin's been here. So that's how you know is the spot So guys, we're actually across the street from lao jea over here on 53rd We're outside of hei yi xiao chui You know, I didn't know fujinese people eat so much seafood but it makes sense because fujin is next to the water But not at all fujinese restaurants. Do you get seafood? Do you like the food better in eighth av or flushing for you? For me, I like gonna for the eighth av Okay, because you're fujinese, right? So there's more like fujinese food, right? So you're saying that eighth av has the best fujinese food in all of the city Hey, man, it sounds pretty cool. Look at the structure. Look how old it is Look at the brick the color the setup does this look like that we might be in a beijing hutong Yeah, either a beijing hutong or maybe old macau possible David, what are we looking at here? This is usually a pork soup. That's what the fujinese give you here You have your pan fried dumplings or guo tia jiaozi Okay, and then david here you have some interesting seafood chao ngao aka rice cakes The second I see this, I immediately know it is fujinese style because people from food zone Especially your shaman, they love seafood. It's really fresh. It's not bad You know for five dollars, I could see someone picking this up for lunch. That's a lot of carbs though We have the guo tia, the guo tia, guo zas Oh, these are not bad. Wow You know what I noticed Is that um Sometimes fujinese people they tend to cook the filling almost in a soy sauce braised So you don't really need to dip it in soy sauce because the inside's already been braised in it. There's the thing About china town sometimes you go to a spot you get like 10 of these for like three dollars But they're not freshly cooked. They've been sitting there now. These are freshly grilled So i'm gonna say that this is worth it. All right, we're here on seventh av at taiwan station It's ran by taiwanese people and I do think a taiwanese snack shop like this is hard to find in Manhattan In fact, I don't know of one. So I gotta go inside and grab some here at taiwan station These two items the taiwanese sausage and the chopped up g pie chicken steak I mean um Okay tender not too peppery though If you are looking to mimic that night market ye shichang style This is pretty much spot-on Yeah, I would say the chicken is really tender. Maybe it's like too tender The crust isn't very thick, but it tastes good guys. I feel like i'm in taiwan right now Andrew, let's be honest you were enticed by the guangkang commercial Man, I saw this picture for this like pink strawberry Kind of baguette. I really want to try it. We're here outside of barley time. It's a relatively new bakery It's in all gold. Look the sign is in gold. It looks upscale. Maybe it's just my mind Maybe it's fake gold and i'm just it's just tricking me. Okay, but it's working.  Is that a chicken nugget inside of a mini slider? This is like a kid's meal man. This is really interesting. Let's try it I don't know if french people would uh approve of this brioche baguette, but guess what? cares It was a chicken nugget In a sesame bun, but the sesame bun was delicious actually. Yo This is good Trying the egg salad sandwich and then i'm about to jump on that. This is good This strawberry cream brioche baguette is good. I'm gonna give it a four out of five Yo, you know where I feel like i'm at right now Church I feel like i'm at church growing up man. I haven't had this vibe in a while I'm not gonna lie. I haven't been to church in a while. What is it about barley time? That turns you into an imitation of a six-year-old There's been a recent trend in very chinese enclaves around america where a young Enterprising person notices that the mcdonalds in china Tastes better at least to them than the ones in america So what they do is they decide to open up their own chain Mimicking chinese mcdonalds So this is miss dong burger and the goal of this spot is to recreate some of the chinese mcdonalds burgers knowing That probably mcdonalds america will never serve fried chicken thigh and crispy chicken filet sandwiches You know, we are big fans of obviously asian mcdonalds. Let's check it out. This year. Wow look Blue and pink boxes very aesthetic. Let's go ahead eighth ab You guys eighth ab is just bustling So here's actually what I noticed between eighth and seventh ab seventh ab is way more chill Wider streets less busy. It actually has all the pharmacies the health clinics a lot of the schools The kids are on that side eighth ab is where all the commerce is the shops the fruit stands the market Everything and we're looking at miss dong burger.  It still took about 10 to 15 minutes for this food The shrimp is freshly fried It even has a little bit of shell on the tail add that little extra crunch This is the peaking duck fried chicken wrap from miss dong's designed to imitate kfc china And here I have your fast food chicken wings right here Hopefully this tastes just like the mcdonalds china chicken wings I'd say it's a little bready This one, you know a little bit too much heavy crust But overall it does get the flavor down of peaking duck. It has the temin jiang All right, everybody We're gonna wrap it up here for our eighth ab sunset park brooklyn china town crawl Listen, I know that we didn't get to everything And I know that there are some spots that are you know the legendary spots that we just didn't show But we've shown those in past videos and a lot other people have reviewed them We wanted to show a lot of like the new spots the spots that can't came up in the last like three four years And I think we also wanted to showcase things that are difficult to find particularly in manhattan's china town or even flushing like for example These uh asia imitation chains Um, I don't think you can get them in china town, but I wish you could because I would go there Honestly, these are good. What was your favorite man for me? I'm going to go with the chongqing chicken pot That was my favorite. I think it could have even used more improvements But I just love chicken pots whether that's guanmen ji Or the you know chongqing one. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie I'm not saying this is the best thing I had in brooklyn, but this was a delicious chicken wing. This was fresh salty crispy Just perfect. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for watching this eighth ab crawl Like I said, if you let us know in the comment section below what else we need to check out That's in the area a little bit further out.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspy's casebreaks.com coming at you with a multi-team Random number block randomizer, so it works just like our random number block breaks But only for these teams and only for pick your team to the break itself coming up in a separate video There's the instructions right there big. Thanks everyone here for filling this one up Appreciate it. There are the numbers right there. Let's roll it. Let's randomize it 203 five times for names and numbers one two three four and five after five we've got Roy down to Sean Maddock two and a three five times for the numbers one two three four and Fifth and final time good luck three down to two now remember zero gets any and all redemptions for that group of teams in The tab at the bottom of the spreadsheet right here including one of one redemptions, which is pretty rare. It doesn't happen too often in the Probably hundreds of these that we've done. Maybe I can count on one hand where that's actually happen But anyway, we still have to say it zero gets any at all redemptions including one of one redemptions Michael you'll still get live one of ones for those set of teams down there if any all right Roy with three branded with zero Michael with one Ben with four branded with nine Roy with five Ben with eight Roy with six Thomas with seven and Sean with two so let's Sort this by column B by number And coming up in a separate video will be the break itself Jasper's case breaks calm


I am Tech Sergeant Jared Hildebrand and I'm a C-130 flight engineer. My job is very gratifying. I've traveled all over the world and I've been as far north as Iceland, as far south as Puerto Rico, as far west as India and as far east as the Middle East. As a flight engineer you are the only enlisted member in the flight deck. You're surrounded by pilots and navigators in the flight and you are responsible for all the systems of the aircraft, whether it's hydraulic, electrical, air conditioning, pressurization, fuel. You are responsible for all the...the aircraft commander relies on us every minute of every flight. If we weren't there they can't start engines. Test management is key because at all times you are monitoring the engines, you're running the field panel, you're doing takeoff and landing data, you're calling checklists. At all times you're doing something. It's interesting to me knowing so much about the airplane. Learning an aircraft is very difficult but it's very rewarding at the end of the day.


She'll come with me. No float too. She'll come with me. No float too. No float too. No float too. No float too. Hey guys, Dras from Movie Nerds. This is 27 years in the making. Right around the same time that Pennywise comes out to feed on the souls or on the kids really. Father Phantom Studios a few months ago put up this production shot of it. I looked at it, it was a plain bust. It looked absolutely amazing. Without it being painted, without it being haired. So I hit Ben and Laura up from Father Phantom Studios and I said, look, I've seen the prototypes. I have to have first off the line. And they're like, but you haven't even seen the paint or anything. I said, I trust you. I've seen the trailers. I love the book. I love the 1990 film. I have to have it regardless. So here we go guys. Pass it on. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Bill Skarsgaard as Pennywise, 2017. This has been an amazing journey watching the progress photos on how they made this. You've got mixed media around here. It's frayed, it's burnt. It looks like he lived in the sewers. Yeah, I just absolutely love this. As you can tell with the teeth, they're all glossed and chiseled out. Now I have to stress with this. They didn't have a mold. They handcrafted this from photos and teaser trailers. And they've come up with this. And I gotta say, this is such an amazing turnout for a bust. The big companies that I won't name, but they haven't even tackled something like this. And for a price that is really, really good, we got a custom bust. The eyes, they look like they're glass, but they're not, they're painted. And I had to double take on it because I don't know how they got those little intricate details in it. We've got real human hair, or let's say it is, the hair of children. They've spruced it up with a bit of hairspray. So I'm Dries from The Movie Nerds. Hit the subscribe button below. In the comments, tell us what other pieces you wanna see because I have a ton of stuff in my collection and we're gonna get more and more toys and collectibles for our coming videos. Anyway, guys, check out Father Phantom Studios. Check out Sewers Any Good and see you later. Y'all blow down here. Y'all blow too.


Hi everybody it's Sam at Mixed Up Craft thank you for watching my tutorial today this is the hobby base February box so I'm going to show you what's inside this month's box really excited and then tutorials will follow afterwards so let's open the box so you get your inspiration leaflet at the beginning so this one is called Love is in the Air obviously it's the month of February so we have Valentine's Day and then inside we have wonderful inspiration cards that have been created by Angela Dodson who is the head designer for the Hobby Base Club so she gives you all ones here tells you exactly what you need to make it which will all be inside and then there's another one on the back because there's always three cards there she always shares them on the Hobby Base Club Facebook group as well which is exclusive just to the subscribers so it's another place for all the inspiration and it's also where I will share further designs as well so inside let's see what we have it's always like Christmas I love doing this okay so we've got a two meter pink ribbon and it's got little hearts on it so that's nice we've got this stamp set here crafty impressions this is clear stamp set oh they're really nice hugs and kisses forever yours especially for you oh I like that one it's like all linked up like joined up writing with hearts and it says love you I really like that lovely big one in the middle the love bug that's going to be nice and then these are like kind of sketched colored in ones oh that's really nice that I like that one okay so that's the stamp set then we have a stencil yep creative expressions stencil arty hearts that'd be nice I do like stencils you get a hobby based die so this is the birdcage die I've used this in lots of tutorials now and over on the Facebook lives that I do I show this one that's good oh I like them some sparkly heart embellishments there and then we've got an embossing folder oh that's good so look at this one to get them out oh it's just lots of hearts it's still really cold where the postman's brought it in it's freezing at the moment in the UK so this is just hearts with like little dots next to it that's really nice I like that back in and then we've got quite a lot this is a good one well they're all good but this is what you got some VersaMark so we've obviously got yeah we've got embossing powder so this is all champagne color I don't have champagne so that's the well embossing powder oh I like that color that'd be really nice and we've got a little dauber I like these little handy ones there and we've got a memento rosebud so again they literally give you all the tools so if you you know you get your dauber for your ink it's really good and then papers so we've got here this pretty butterfly we've got another butterfly we've got that nice stripey one we've got another floral one pretty polka dot rose parts more butterflies and that kind of square and polka dot and that one there they're really pretty so you've got a real variety there what we've got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten sheets of six by six there so that's lots do something nice bits and then these I think will be all of our card bases so we've got envelopes we've got a six by six that looks like a I'd say five by seven and then oh we've got a window gatefold card actually sorry that's nice as well so we've got a nice gatefold so we've got three card bases obviously for the inspiration of the three cards that Angela does but you can obviously do more things which is what I'll be doing as well with this card here and yeah that's a really nice box so that is February's box you can subscribe to each month as the months go so it's not there's no obligation to stay you know there's no contract or anything you can literally just dip in and out of it so for March's box you've got until the 21st of February so again I'll share all those links below if you are interested to sign up and I'm looking forward to get cracking now and make some nice things so stay tuned I will be uploading some videos very soon with some lovely projects using the items from the February kit so I hope you liked this quick little video just showing you what's inside stay tuned hit thumbs up subscribe so you get to see more and I will be back soon thanks for watching bye


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This algebraic geometry lecture will cover three examples of quotients of algebraic sets. The first example is a cyclic quotient singularity. This is one of the simplest singularity forms by taking a quotient of something by a group. So we're going to take affine in a squared, whose coordinate ring is a polynomial ring in two variables. And we're going to let the group G be a cyclic group of order n, which will be generated by some sigma of order n. That's a c dot of six. And it's going to act as follows. So sigma of x is going to be zeta of x and sigma of y would be zeta of y, where zeta is just an nth root of unity. So zeta to the n equals one, we're going to take it to be primitive nth root of unity. For example, over complex numbers, we might take zeta equals e to the 2 pi i over n. Now, we want to find out what is the quotient of the affine plane by this group, except we don't mean the quotient in the sense of topological spaces. We mean the quotient in the sense of algebraic geometry. And to do that, we have to look at the coordinate ring and look at the invariance of the coordinate ring under G. So now we have to find out what are the invariance. Well, it's quite easy to work out the action of G on all the monomials because sigma of x to the y to the j is just equal to zeta to the i plus j, x to the i, y to the j. And this is equal to x to the i, y to the j, if and only if i plus j is divisible by n. So this makes it pretty obvious that the ring of invariance has a basis, consisting of the elements x to the i, y to the j, satisfying this condition here. So in order to see what's going on, it's quite a good idea just to draw pictures. Let's draw all the monomials. We've got 1x, x squared, x cubed, x to the 4, and so on. y, x, y, x squared, y, x cubed, y, y squared, y cubed, x, y squared, and so on. And now let's take n equals 3 just so that I can do everything explicitly. And we see that the invariance consists of this element here and all the things on this third diagonal. And if we go a bit further, x to the 5, x to the 6, and here we have x to the 5, y. And we'll get all the things on this diagonal and so on. So every three steps, we get all the things on that diagonal. So we can now see that the ring of invariance is generated by all the things on this diagonal. So it's generated by x cubed, x squared, y, x, y squared, and y cubed. However, obviously these are not independent. So if we call these elements c0, z1, z2, and z3, then the ring of invariance will be generated by z0, z1, z2, and z3. But obviously these are not independent, so we have to quotient out some relations between them. So what relations do you get? Well, you can see that zi, zj is equal to zk, zl, whenever i plus j equals k plus l. So we should quotient out by, well, what do we have? We have z1, z2 minus c0, z3, z1 squared minus c0, z2, z2 squared minus c1, z3. So we take this polynomial ring and we quotient out by this ideal, and this gives us the ring of invariance. So the quotient of the affine plane by the cyclic group is an affine variety whose coordinate ring is this ring here. So the next example is an example of a parameter space. So a parameter space is some sort of space whose points correspond to some configurations. A configuration isn't really a well-defined term. Roughly means it means some sort of, it might be say some sort of algebraic subset of some other variety. For example, you might have a parameter space of lines inside space or you might have a parameter space of conics in the plane and so on. We are going to look at the parameter space of cyclohexane. So if you remember from chemistry, cyclohexane is a molecule with six carbon atoms and a few hydrogen atoms that I couldn't care less about that looks something like this. It's just six carbon atoms in a ring. And what we want to do is to ask for all the ways you can arrange these in three-dimensional space. So first of all, for each carbon atom, its center is specified by three numbers. So carbon atom is just A3. So we've got six carbon atoms. So altogether, we want six copies of three-dimensional space and we get 18-dimensional affine space. So this is the parameter space for six carbon atoms. So there are some conditions these have to satisfy. So any two adjacent carbon atoms are at a fixed distance. Well, the condition for two carbon atoms to be at a fixed distance is a some sort of quadratic equation in these coordinates. So if the first carbon atom is X1, Y1, Z1, and the second is X2, Y2, Z2.  So you see this is just some sort of quadratic equation. So we have six quadrics for the distances. So that's not all we get because we also have these fixed angles for each pair of bonds. Well, the angle can be specified just by giving the distance between these two carbon atoms. So we also get another six quadrics for the angles. So altogether, we have 18-dimensional affine space and then we write down 12 equations that the points have to satisfy. So we might guess that all together that's going to give us some parameter space of dimension 18 minus 6 minus 6. We can translate it without really changing it. And we can also rotate it. So what we should do is we should take the space of dimension possibly 18 minus 6 minus 6. So although really that's only a lower bound for the dimension. Quotient it out by the group of translations and rotations, possibly reflections. And there are two translations or dependent translations and the group of rotations is also three-dimensional. So this is a six-dimensional group. So the parameter space is given by taking this space here and quotient it out by this group here. And we might, for example, try and guess its dimension. So we can ask, what is the dimension? And there's an obvious guess because here this space looks as if it's going to be six-dimensional. And we're quotient out by six-dimensional groups. So we might guess that the dimension of the quotient is going to be six minus six, which is zero. So we can ask, is it zero-dimensional? The answer is no. This was discovered by a guy called Herman Sachser who in 1890 discovered there were actually two different forms of cyclohexane. One form is called the chair form. And these look the same here. So I better move them around a bit so you can see what the difference. So the chair form, you can see these three carbon atoms here are in one plane and these three carbon atoms are another. So these three carbon atoms here are sticking out of the plane. In this boat form, these two carbon atoms are sticking out of the plane and these four carbon atoms are in the plane. So if I turn it around, you can see, if I arrange them like this, you can see the two forms are indeed different. So maybe the parameter space has two points in it. Well, that turns out to be wrong, too, because it turns out that this form of cyclohexane is flexible. You can sort of bend it round. So here I had these two carbon atoms sticking out of the plane. And if I just sort of manipulate now these two carbon atoms in the plane. So there's a one parameter space of positions it can be in. On the other hand, this form of the cyclohexane is rigid. Well, this particular one isn't rigid because these bonds are rather floppy. And if these bonds were rigid, then this would indeed be rigid. So the parameter space has, well, at least two components. It's got this point in it, and it's got a one dimensional component that corresponds to this form of cyclohexane. So this just illustrates that you have to be a bit careful about guessing dimensions of quotients. The naive guess dimension of quotient where you just subtract one for each equation you have and subtract one for each dimension of your group is a reasonable first guess for the dimension of parameter space, but it's sometimes just wrong. So the final example of today's lecture will be a modular space. So a modular space is a space whose points correspond to isomorphism classes of various things. And this sounds very much like a parameter space. And in fact, there's not really a whole lot of difference between a modular space and a parameter space. They're both essentially the same thing. However, it's traditional to use parameter space if you're classifying things embedded in something else. For instance, if you're classifying lines in three space, you call it a parameter space. On the other hand, you use modular space if you're classifying things that aren't really embedded in anything. For instance, if you're classifying isomorphism classes of elliptic curves, you'd call that a modular space, not a parameter space. If you were classifying elliptic curves embedded in four-dimensional space, you'd probably call that a parameter space. So they're more or less the same. And what we're going to do is to look very briefly at the modular space of elliptic curves. Well, one of the problems with studying this is we haven't actually defined what an elliptic curve is. So I'm just going to have to quote a few things about elliptic curves just to give you a rough idea of why modular spaces can be quotients of things. So if we look at an elliptic curve over the complex numbers, it's a nonsingular curve that's topologically isomorphic to a torus. So it looks something like this. We'll be discussing elliptic curves much more later.  Well, you can obviously make some changes of variables without really changing the isomorphism class of this elliptic curve. For instance, we can translate x just by adding a constant to it and turn it into y squared equals x, x minus beta, x minus gamma. And then we can rescale x and y to turn one of these numbers into one so we get y squared equals x, x minus one, x minus lambda. It's traditional to use lambda for this parameter. So this suggests that elliptic curves might be classified by numbers lambda. However, that's not quite true because if you change lambda to one over lambda, then you haven't really changed the curve. So let's swap these two variables. So this is invariant on a changing lambda to one over lambda. It's also, if you change lambda to one minus lambda, then again the isomorphism class of this curve doesn't change. And then you can compose these so you can change it to one over one minus lambda or lambda over lambda minus one or lambda minus one over lambda. So there are six things you can do to lambda. You can change it to itself or to one of these five things. And in fact these six transformations form a group, which is in fact isomorphic to the symmetric group of order three. Let's see, did you compose any two of these transformations? You get another one similar to it. And here I should have mentioned that lambda is not equal to naught or one. So what is happening is you're getting this affine variety, which is given by a one minus the point zero or one. And you're quotient it out by this group of order six. And this space here is more or less a modular space of elliptic curves except modular spaces turn out to have larger numbers of fuzzy technical details. So that's not quite correct, but never mind. First of all, I said this is an affine variety. Well, it doesn't at first look like an affine variety because it's actually an open set of a one. Whereas I said affine varieties were supposed to be closed irreducible sets. However, if lambda is a veteran here, you can think of a one minus these two points as just the curve. Lambda times lambda minus one times mu equals naught in a two. So here we're taking lambda and mu to be covenants and a two. And you can see this curve is really just isomorph a one minus two points. So that doesn't matter. So what exactly is this space a one minus two points modulo s three. Well, we take the coordinate ring of this space here, which is just K lambda one over lambda one over lambda minus one. So it's a subring of the ring of rational functions and take it's a subring that is invariant under the group s three of order six. And in order to describe this, you want to find some polynomial in these three things that is invariant under these transformations of s three. The simplest one is traditionally called J and it's equal to two to the eight times the square minus lambda plus one cubed or divided by lambda squared lambda minus one squared. So you can check if you do any of these six transformations to lambda J remains fixed. In fact, the ring of invariance turns out to be just isomorphant or polynomials in J. So this number J is actually the famous so-called J invariant of an elliptic curve that we will be studying a bit more later on. Incidentally, this funny factor of two to the eight is made so that things work nicely in characteristic two.