t believe this line anything that's capable of space travel can act as a conduit for Stormbreaker like what does it even mean what does that mean well yeah because technically I don't know like you could throw a rock into the air fast enough and it can fly through space I mean everything travels through wow we want to be super duper I think that's fair to say I don't know what she means by capable of space travel because the traveling part is surely done by Stormbreaker that's the whole point that's the whole point of Stormbreaker what do you mean do you mean like we need something to encase us to keep us safe would make more sense to me but no means of protecting them from the vacuum nope but that doesn't matter we don't talk about that at least presume that there's like some magical properties to the bifrost like mechanism protects you from space there is a rule that you could make to try and justify but the problem is that never be consistent with that rule in later things and you could say something like if you are moving in a certain direction fast enough that causes the bifrost to be directed in that same direction but that means the bifrost could never be used to go to any other location when you're moving fast enough and there's lots of country because if you're on a planet you're technically moving through spaces really fast rate anyway and so everything is in space we're all moving through space so well then I just wanted to go for the last line being that it has the power to get us there it just needs focus a ship can harness it when you say a ship are you actually talking about a ship just like a little dingy boat would be enough well it is it's baffling I don't know what the fuck is going on yeah it's like an engine yeah and then she's like yeah like an engine as if it makes sense it makes sense because the engine doesn't tell me where to go which is an interesting whatever I like that the ship creates artificial gravity like it's a ship in the middle of space but they can like stand on it isn't that magic magic it's an Asgardian ship it's got like asgardian magic it's just a regular boat like it's a little road boat that they go on tours with no no no it's a flying boat it's a flying boat that they're using as a it flies, it protects you from the vacuum and it has gravity and readable oxygen it's base ready requirements so I guess yeah that's just that you know space is really cold at least most of it is not with asgardian magic and snacks so then we get another incredible scene because we've had so many dramatic scenes that it's time for a funny I would say fuck Thor is like just hanging around he notices that Mjolnir is just hanging around and he walks up to him and goes you moved on pretty quick didn't you you are some piece of work fucking hammer like what the I don't know that's pretty fucking hilarious to me wow good comedy and then Jane pops up and he's like oh sorry sorry I've been acting weird I'm just trying to figure out who I am basically and then I saw you dressed as me so again it's just what are we doing it's like an acknowledgement in universe that she's literally wearing his clothing almost like his style which is essentially true we've got no other reason to think otherwise he takes his name it's weird and nobody's talking about it in universe people keep pretending this isn't weird because it happened in a comic moviebop gave this an 8 out of 10 he did are you taking the piss wow I just can't believe it yeah so he's sorry I just wanted to agree with you it is weird like the fact that they're calling them for a lot of people who have been calling us like this is just dumb why does she find her own name or just yeah it's like a lot of yeah a lot of Marvel comics a lot of people are saying like oh she doesn't want to be called Lady Thor because she doesn't want to be defined in relation to Thor she's called herself Thor oh call me mate we'll get there whatever say no weird dumb so the way that he's saying this implies that she needs to explain to him how this happened and that's this scene so she says well I heard me only a call to me and then I came here and now I'm Thor and then he just he's like well it looks good on you you know it works and she's like okay yeah see you later but yeah she leaves and then Stormbreaker slides and he's like what we were just talking and it's like so that whole scene was just the joke it wasn't any new information it wasn't actually anything meaningful between these two characters it was just for the joke again I thought that Stormbreaker was jealous of Mjolnir not Lady Thor well if you remember sorry the other thing that he did was say these tests if he was worthy with Mjolnir so I think the angle is that he's still obsessed with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker's upset about that okay alright that makes sense now that you've explained it to me now as I have said many a time doing comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy even when kids are kidnapped people are dying comedy comedy comedy comedy when kids need to be reassured that they're going to live comedy comedy comedy it's like alright so what's next then it's like comedy it's like no we find out that Jane is still absolutely dying from cancer and she flashes back to memories of her mother's last words before she died of cancer telling her to fight on to never give up and that even though she is dying that she will continue the fight I hope you caught all that because it's time for comedy that's about 25 seconds I think just my observations I don't know much about cancer is it like can you inherit it is it a genetic can be a genetic disorderly yeah it's like a royal title when you die you I think you can genuinely I'm not 100% sure but I think you can inherit a disposition for it I think so I think Jay's right you don't inherit the cancer but there can be genetic aspects of your family where you're more likely to get cancer I see this scene is so whiplashy to me I was so surprised I never thought we were ever going to get anywhere near doing this we're going comedy comedy hard core and then just the hospital noises the beeping and then just panning around in mom saying like don't worry when I'm gone you're not going to be alone you need to never give up fighting what the okay yeah I guess I feel like this should have been built up to this is a really important scene this is a core characteristic for Jane that we have never seen before in all of her screen time on the MCU damn and then it's also revealing something very confusing because it was for me especially like lots of people who barely paid attention to this thing which I wouldn't even blame them Jane is still dying from cancer like wait I thought how can that be possible like so how does that work and well I guess we'll wait a little before getting more on that but okay and yeah we go back to talent jokes just under that like a lot of time for you to feel sad and don't be disappointed if you might watch this scene about the back story stuff and think that it'll be revisited later and explored and we'll learn about the character because of it I hope you're not really invested in that as a concept and then we cut back and she breaks her sink with a hammer for some reason not clear on that she's angry she's dying or something that's all I got her proposal jokes are generated from the fact that she does that because when she opens the door she's like I'm fine and she's like really the sink doesn't look fine I feel like these are just this is like a sitcom bad sitcoms where you have laugh tracks popping in every second to remind you that you need to laugh and that was a joke so obviously Valkyrie catches this happening and so she's like you clearly have an issue and then she's like okay Valkyrie do you think I should come on this mission like yeah you're a Thor of course you should come which feels like I'm missing a lot of information at this point in the story you know like if she asked me should I be coming on this mission I'd be like well I don't know what is the nature of your situation you like are simultaneously dying cancer patient but also Thor if I didn't translate it well enough there's like a visual where she drops the hammer and she looks like she does like in the hospital but you know like bags under eyes sort of thing like worse than what we last saw her as if to imply like yeah it's it's progressing and then she picks the hammer back up and she looks like Thor again okay so from that would you say would you say she's battle ready like I don't know I don't know what she is yeah but Valkyrie doesn't seem to give a shit she's just like yeah come with us yeah okay he just accepts like oh yeah you're a Thor now you come with us okay and you're viking now so if you die and you die in battle you get to go to Valhalla oh just I didn't even know that's how that works she's a viking now alright yeah because hmm and Valkyrie says I miss fighting I miss my sisters that that's why you should come also just kind of pet peeve as guardians they're not really vikings wow racisms right there they influenced the vikings that's the they did they were there when the vikings were there they weren't vikings themselves and now they're just calling themselves vikings is like when did that start it's it sort of sneaks up on you because the first character is there is I forgot her name like Jane's friend at the beginning of the film is like I could believe that she would call Thor space viking that makes sense to me it seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for a person on earth yeah but not them themselves right they are not vikings but like from the cultural perspective of a person who lives on modern day earth yeah they are connected to the vikings whereas for as guardians the vikings are like these people they hung out with 2000 years ago you know it's no weirder than them calling themselves like and uh space who was anyone else that they hung out with oh I don't know frost giants well I forget what they called but yeah you guys ready for another Thor's speech I would love to hear another Thor's speech they've been great so far only if it's funny so they're about to leave on their quest to save the children so it seems like an easy win here Tim's speeches go and he says my fellow as guardians we shall travel at the speed of Odin's ravens and we shall bring back the children and we shall feast and there's a pause and he goes not on the children we don't do that anymore dark times shameful times so are we are we implying that Thor ate children I don't think that's an implication as old as he is hey it could be interpreted that other as guardians ate children and not Thor when he said we he said we he's referring to the as guardians as a people no he's been alive for a while he ate Thor ate children multiple just in case anyone didn't get it this really funny undercutting of his rousing speech is the the reality that as guardians devour children at some point in their history mhm mhm I'm just thinking like why I know for a joke but like it's usually that's the joke you decided to go with funny funny funny oh my goodness funny and again like that the third time that his attempt to just browse of any kind of good feeling has been completely ruined by him being an idiot can I bring up the person laughing in the cinema now because I think this is the perfect time to mention that oh you gotta wait until it happens in the film I wonder why they laughed at that moment given this moment well Jay it does sound like Jay really needs to get it off his chest um I'll allow it in the cinema someone just openly laughed I think multiple people laughed when slightly later on in the film Jane just says the words I have cancer I mean there's a better way to set that up I mean this is why I wanted to wait until later Thor basically tells her he's in love with her still and that they they should make a go of it they should they should get together they should do it and she cuts him off almost in his passionate expression of his feelings to say I have cancer and he like stops just like what and there are people in the audience who laugh at that because they are so broken on their emotional scales or rather the reaction scales they don't even know what's supposed to be funny anymore um and to be perfectly honest with you I'm not sure I can guarantee that wasn't supposed to be funny myself I don't even know I have no clue I have no clue Jay's version was funnier that's the point I don't think it's supposed to be funny the scene isn't like my version of telling of the person laughing was funny no no no the joke isn't supposed to be funny that's the point is the people laughing at it it's funny that someone laughed at it but it's not I don't I don't think you would sound that Jane having saying she had cancer was I don't think anyone would I think there are contexts where that could be funny though probably but like I don't think that would be a nice and sketch comes to mind what if what if this is like a met what if this was a meta commentary by Natalie Portman referencing that she is a feminist what I have cancer like I have I'm a feminist I have feminism in me and that is like a cancer you know the old being that feminism is cancer it's not a meme the tone is so fucked and the degree to which there's no borderline between drama and comedy it does feel like the audience is now trained to the point where they don't even recognize the training and they're just like I'm recognizing signals for laughing or for drama I don't even know what to do anymore and yeah it's awkward as fuck when she's like I have cancer as a reveal to a person who loves it so we would think that's a comedic beat any problem is that if Taika Waititi said that it's a comedic beat I'd be like oh shit okay what can you do die I guess so anyway bit more funnies happen finally they arrive at omnipotent city and they start walking down just to get to I guess wherever they go in and they have a little chat they have all the things they could chat about meaningful thing can I mention something before that have you said that they just crash into the fucking in the random garden yeah that's what we're bringing up they didn't have any problem entering omnipotent city and they crash into it just crash into a random garden just going right in there and then just leave the ship there I guess well it's alright if everyone knows that you're here so it's no worry they're not trying to lay low or anything no no which I guess they are so that's the thing it's not I don't even know if it's worth bringing up so what if what if then as they're just walking down we get some dialogue and you maybe thinking like we could explore something character wise and saying hey so I'm trying to come up with a catchphrase but what do you think of this one eat this hammer and he's like oh that's pretty good and she's like yeah I'm work shopping it and he goes Fong has better action lines he's like mine is this ends here and now and she's like oh that's really good you know it's not great the tracking on the helmet in this particular shot but continue you know it's great not great is the dialogue in the scene well yeah it's not great someone in chess said eat this baby eat this baby and then it's like so what will be the next thing to be said now and then she says so you got a girlfriend like oh okay that's what we're doing then he goes oh no no no I'm too busy lots of work to do just you know and she goes cool I'm going to check this place out and she flies away that's the conversation yeah it is so stilted that I could never blame the actors like this this script is horrendous you guys couldn't make this work yeah I don't know what would you what would you do to make this work like Natalie Portman in Star Wars once again she's being fucked over just walk here and talk about your catchphrase and then fuck off after you ask him for a girlfriend good job you dating anyone no bye really happy you wasted my time movie thank you I can't imagine why they broke up and then because she left Valkyrie can walk up to him and be like I'm detecting feelings and he's like for Jane no just like what did we gain from that whole scene it's like yeah Thor's got a crush on it he always has that's just that's yeah alrighty that is very funny though then we get another gore scene so Thor's not doing too great and we're halfway through the movie so let's see what this next gore scene can do Axel is telling the kids about what Thor's done and it makes reference to how Thor made a weapon in the heart of a dying star to decapitate Thanos and save the world like all of those things are technically true but obviously it's connecting pieces of a story in different places to make a satisfying narrative you could say and it's like yeah okay fine and it's probably a good choice for Axel to make them feel better about how that's the guy that's coming to save us and then gore is like what a neat story like oh okay and he's like so you guys like decapitation he grabs a little tentacle creature and he names it as well right uh yeah I forgot the name though and then he fucking cuts its head off and all the children scream and he like passes the head away and he's like oh I thought you liked decapitation I don't like that he's that he's bad to his minions I don't even know what what's happening who's this guy now this is like the third gore it's like I just want to torture children in some way I don't know it's just like what does this have to do with anything we've learned about you why are you doing this but that part's over now next part he says you think they were trying to do the things like oh look the hypocrisy of you people or something I'm grasping at straws here I'm just suggesting there's plenty you can do but they decided to spend their time here just making gore an asshole yeah and then we leave and then you gotta see why again like cutting shit together um you liked it a minute ago as meme potential goldmine I guess that's what he says about decapitation uh so this the whole scene is so off to me yeah so he's like he's looking at all them screaming and he goes you know I used to know a girl like you she was brave and smart you like to draw let me ask you a question about gods at this point I was like alright this is your opportunity let's actually understand what the fuck is happening here because it seems like he's about to make a point that could explain what the fuck's going on he goes this part's great so he says gods are meant to protect you right so where are they and then one of them is like Thor's gonna come for us and he goes I'm counting on it no why would you say that well first of all but you can't say that after what you just said yeah gods aren't coming to save you yes they are yeah I know yeah I know and then hey gods again that's not even the end of the scene because we've still got other problems happening which is that the writer doesn't trust the audience he says I'm counting on it and so all of us in the audience are like oh that's part of his plan hey okay yeah no I could have figured that out myself especially when the fucking team of heroes have developed that this is a trap but that's fine he then says ADR that's my plan this film thinks that you are an idiot I couldn't believe it I was like you fucking kidding me so what was that scene it was gore is using the children as a trap we already knew that pretty much what was all of that they completely forgot who this fucking character is are they tried to involve dialogue that he might say oh gods are meant to protect you and yet where are they you can't use that if the whole idea is to bait them with the kids because they want to save the kids so now we're all just baffled like what the fuck is happening you forgot to write a script I don't know and that is gore scene scene that was improvised by a robot I want to give the robot a little bit more credit I think the robot will be like wait doesn't make sense what the fuck is that like cleverbot doesn't actually remember anything other than the immediately previous input and this is the stuff they chose to put in over two other hours of footage that we have no idea what was there the scene even progressed the story it doesn't actually need to be exactly it's useless I didn't realize it's a bait but they fucking signpost it several times so I don't know what what does this serve or is creepy and evil look how mean he could be he's mean to children and it's like that's not at all what you said he was it's like he is now if that's how he raised his daughter he's like just torment her by killing animals in front of her no he's corrupted Chad okay killing gods because it doesn't matter at all yeah just from chat Gore is using them as bait but doesn't tell full where the kids are he's lucky that Thor figured it out through other means I guess fucking weird man whole thing is weird so that's it for that go scene very good then we get a scene that it was only recently that I even like clocked this because scripts are hard to criticize when they all happen so fast um they need disguises because they wouldn't want to be spotted too early before they can make their case the best way possible which you know it was brought up earlier but it's just funny that they crash landed right disguises cool because he's retarded says why don't we just wrap ourselves up in our own capes it's like okay um and then he's holding a bunch of cloaks he says these cloaks are from the emotion gods each color signifies a different emotion this is very very this is very useful information very useful the fact that I said it alone should put you all in a position of like what is this like why do I need to know that what is what do we get from this like that's a great question so um well where are the emotion gods implying of course that shouldn't they be wearing these and then Valkyrie says don't ask ha ha ha that's Valkyrie and yeah again you're like oh that's a joke the idea is she killed the emotion gods and took their cloaks I think why would you do that I mean I hope she didn't just kill them and then you're like wait why why emotion gods what does that have to do with anything assume this was cut content I assume that there was like a scene where the capes changed colors and maybe it was some funny joke or something um and like maybe Thor had an awkward moment where the the the cape turned into a horny color um or something I don't know and then like but that was cut for time and we will all miss out on that content forever aha oh no maybe it's just the best maybe some things should be lost to time yeah yeah yeah then we meet a whole bunch of gods find up feel like the dumpling god should be mentioned dumpling god yeah which is just a little dumpling the god of the krogans he's sitting on a throne made of scissors did you write down the krogans did you write down like a tism name the krogan god has like a tism name oh yeah I don't remember what it is ah dammit speaking of mass effect species so um suspicious amount of gods Zeus shows up and sort of remind yourself we're on a timer especially they believe so because the children you know and they're like we need to get his attention and do this now and then he's like whoa whoa whoa we can't interrupt him in the middle of his entrance he's famous for entrance mm-hmm right and um Thor's like this guy's amazing it's Zeus it's top tier I base pretty much everything I do after him he's my biggest inspiration which is uh you know it's kind of the problem they often have with establishing a history about a character or showing us um that someone feels a certain way about them it's just like so that means they must have fulfilled some level of xyz to be seen this way Thor's been around for over a thousand years he's familiar enough with Zeus to the point where Zeus is his biggest inspiration so what is Zeus's characteristics well all we've got from this film is that he's an egomaniac and a coward that's about it allegedly a coward I don't even think he's a coward he's also horny he's horny Zeus is horny he's also horny us for so yeah and and it takes about I think 30 seconds of Zeus's opening speech for Thor to lose his faith in him completely as a as a good person even though he was right a thousand years yeah well look we need to write that character development Zeus's opening speech doesn't actually contain anything like particularly damning it's like hey guys I don't know what you mean wait what? what's it contain what I'm missing so the way it starts is when are we organizing the orgy and then they're all like unimpressed and then Thor's like wait the good stuff's coming important stuff's definitely on the way and he says now let's look at the winner for who sacrificed the most human souls in the name of a god oh after that bit my mind was thinking about orgy's I was distracted by the orgy's Thor then says okay maybe he's not great and then I think Cork says oh no not good it's just like I look alright whatever fuck it yeah so Thor is now like Zeus sucks it's just like okay hmm so what bothers me is like the Greeks didn't really practice human sacrifice too much to pay at the end like according to that you know to my knowledge they can do whatever they want and they chose to do this alright have you considered that what they did is funny as in strange funny you laugh it's funny like haha funny am I supposed to laugh yeah yeah just felt out of place for me the Greek gods I don't think they actually give a shit about their relationship to their real life no I think they're all just gonna just make them dumb and stupid and arrogant like why not that's just funny because we can portray them contrast them to our heroes who are desperately trying to save children while all these fucking gods suck and they're already there through their own image and stuff and it's like anyway Valkyrie says alright clearly these gods aren't gonna help us but we can get the thunderbolt that'll be good enough sorry sorry to interrupt I just realized they had an opportunity they should have done animal sacrifice which is far more prevalent and one of the things they sacrificed were goats and Zeus could have been alright we need to sacrifice some more goats because they got goats remember the screaming goats could have been tied in somewhere you could have done that yeah so they need the thunderbolt and then they're like well how are we gonna get that and then Valkyrie says let's just bum rush him when the time is right just go and it's happening so fast isn't like a huge place filled with all kinds of the most powerful gods you're just gonna attack and take Zeus's stuff what is happening why is this happening it's a terrible plan in such a way that you guys should be realizing like you could all die but it's not true though it's just bullshit all of it's bullshit okay um they're talking about that and then Thor says wait wait wait wait I still I want to try and talk to him and they're like when when the time is right and then Zeus says hey who's talking over there and for some reason Korg says it's these guys and points to him cabbage I have no idea why that happened that's funny that's funny hilarious because Korg is a moron isn't that hilarious because even Thor is like why are you doing that it's like yeah I don't know why this point watching the movie more we paused in the cinema and we said it's true we did yeah let's say okay so this was funny apparently I think I came up with an example of like what would have to be so stupid that people would actually be taken out or like the taekwitini would think oh people will be taken out with this we can't include it if we too stupid and I think the example that I came up with was like okay Thor just stands up and he's like hey Zeus look at this and then he pulls down his pants and then you were like no actually that might fit within the tone of the film yeah it would and like I hate it I should have laughed at that though that would have been funny though watch this Zeus look he's Zeus he's my asshole I don't know maybe that would work hey Zeus look I'm the moon guy so Thor stands up with the intention of going to talk to Zeus and he looks back at Valkyrie and Lady Thor Valkyrie says I'm bashing heads in five minutes and then Jane says heads will roll I think she says literally heads will roll and then Thor is like who are you two and I'm like yeah and that's a joke but it's actually more an apt question very good question why are you guys so ready to murder what's going on we're all so fucking weird as if like this there's nothing clever in this movie and this scene really exemplifies that how there's no plan there's no attempt to sort of use Zeus's his interests and his personality well use his ego against him you know there's no there's plenty that have been presented so none of them are like oh we could take advantage of this we could it's just he likes pretty ladies they got two pretty ladies with them they could have you know and he as well this was another quote we made in the cinema Mola was like I don't think Mola's here what where did he go he had to step out for just a moment I didn't catch that I am interested in the story well all you said Jane so like wouldn't it this might actually be funny in the comedy film they had like you know they were like okay so Zeus has been very clearly presented as this mega horny guy they go up to him and they've got two hot ladies there they've got the hot guy there and they're like you know they're all trying to flirt with him to get what they want and you can have corg there as well going like yeah and I'm here as well you know if you're into this kind of thing giant rock man like it's fun and in this you have both of these chicks and they say we're going to start this big fight here in the worst probably possible place that you could want to start a fight in the city of gods surrounded by all of these super powerful god beings with Zeus right there and all these guards and you think you're just going to win the fight you think this is a fight that you can just win how stupid are you yeah worst place in the MCU like universe to start a fight this has got to be high on that list rags I just noticed your animated little gift button that's very cool a figure is appropriate for this movie absolutely also another thing like I always thought Valkyrie was a very low tier on the scale of powers and you could justify Jane could have the powers of thought because she's got Mjolnir but when did Valkyrie suddenly become their equal I thought she was always supposed to be weaker well because she's an Asgardian which makes her stronger stronger than her asgardians right she's not as strong right not as much as Thor I'm sure she's quite a very competent warrior and fighter but she's just not on the same level as Thor and certainly not all of these it's not about her fighting prowess could be equivalent or maybe equivalent because she's like good at fighting but then there's just base strength and you would presume that Thor and also Jane have greater power than Valkyrie they could have tried to just fight with her being now the leader of Asgard that she has a new special Asgardian weapon that was built specially for her trying with her being a Valkyrie and just being really like skilled in combat and stuff because she's a Valkyrie yeah that's sure with me yeah it's it's just a matter of even if you're like even Thor in this predicament you're like man y'all shouldn't you should not be starting fights here this is really bad oh yeah it's a bad idea for someone with Thor level powers to try and start a fight there but Valkyrie is there saying she'll get in on the action too and I'm thinking where on earth has she ever been depicted with that level of power to be able to take on gods or if you beat Loki that's true I guess it would make more sense to me if what came through with her is that she's a really good tactician just because she was a Valkyrie that was like an important part of what she did so she doesn't just say alright here's our strategy attack fight as opposed to concocting some sort of plan or strategy cleverness in these movies there's no like I'm sorry we're pretending like oh she doesn't come up with like a clever plan like no she says because she comes up with one of the most brain dead suggestions of all time get a fight in the middle of it let's steal his lightning bolt what if he like run away or something you know like what if he gets rid of it so matter of factly it's like in BLJ oh let's just go on the supremacy like it's just a thing they just say and they just do that that's the plan let's just do this let's just steal Zeus's fucking thunderbolt let's just do it let's just flick switch and do it did you guys mention as well like so he's like I'm the god of lightning you're the god of thunder thunder's the sound of lightning also my bolt is called thunderbolt is that meant to be like a is that like a joke or something probably if you're every now he thinks that lightning is better than thunder at least is a description but his literal lightning bolt he calls it a thunderbolt it's a like that's got to be a joke right I don't know it has to be a joke right it's so stupid though Fringy sometimes it has to be it has to be a joke it's going to be a meme are we done yet if ever in doubt it's probably a joke unfortunately Joe oh he warned Zeus about gore the gore's a thing then Zeus is like yeah he's killed some low level guards oh well big deal yeah he cares then he ties up Thor because he's being rude I guess and does the and then does the thing that is yeah I don't like it I mean it's just it's just gross I think maybe not just because of what it represents this gets ultimately has openly stated that he didn't want to take his shirt off of previous films he's like hey can I keep my shirt on this time and take it between was like no and then this time it was like also your butt also and like you will just be fully naked in the film take more off even within context it's played off as a joke when like I feel like we should actually be treating this this is a breach this is a breach this is a breach of I'm like I don't think that they would treat many other characters with this kind of in this kind of way characters they wouldn't treat like that yeah well three I guess right also I guess Korg they wouldn't I I'm not sure I would even mind it with Korg I feel like he would be chill about it like I guess that could be okay as a joke yeah just more rocks like if you said that cause yeah I guess nakedness for him is just not a thing yeah what's it got well I don't even think Korg would have any certain parts of what I cover cause they don't even reproduce that he's a rock he reproduces species canonically reproduces by like standing over a lake or something right yeah yeah so yeah that's yeah there you go there's your there's your scene for things happen and then it progresses well yeah the thing that's pretty lame is that they go should we help him and then they go eventually yeah swap those genders yeah it's a double stand if the genders are swapped there's such an outrage do people be pissed as fuck it's sexually harassed by Zeus well I think well you know it was Zeusy getting off pretty late compared to what he used to do look at you and the horse at least he didn't eat you and so kind of my take on this is that like sometimes you can have a comedic scene where someone might you know something funny where it's like oh no something fell off or anything once the issue here is now that there's such being a pushback against it happening to female characters because that type of stuff you know accidentally walking in on someone while they're getting out of their shares like oh no dear and all that stuff happened a decent amount in passing well that's more incidental than purposeful like this is this was actually stripping someone against their consent yeah granted but this is like a I don't know because like my brain is going through this whole thing of like okay so this is an act that's like this is a boundary but like the thing is I could see Thor getting stabbed being played as a joke in this movie and while I wouldn't be cool with that I guess I wouldn't have the same visceral reaction that I'm having to this scene I think it's I think the meta informs it the meta being this was part of the marketing because they knew that people would want to watch it it's kind of hard to separate that like a recognition the thing is sexual assault of man being played as a joke is like a massive trope yeah I felt that we had moved beyond it but this is and you know he clearly doesn't get like sexually assaulted I don't think that qualifies you know what I'm not actually sure it would like if this happened to a woman they would consider it sexual assault that's not even the argument right the argument is I just don't it's not sexual like a Zeus he doesn't consider the specific term is it is a it is a bad thing Zeus doesn't do it on purpose he's trying to remove the cloak and he removes the whole thing but like the whole point is that like this was a massive you was like a massive trope in like the 90s and the 90s of like LOL that man well remember in Fantastic Four every time they fought so hard for every opportunity they get to have Jessica Albert when she was playing like they kept doing it yeah it's just like I don't know we'll see that's a good example the thing is you would never get or at least very rarely be like LOL that woman was raped isn't that funny whereas you would get that in comedy is quite a lot with male characters and I feel like we had I felt that we'd moved beyond that and that's just this feels like that trope creeping back in it's not the full thing it does feel like it's creeping back and I would prefer to be rid of it actually I mean it does seem like a decent amount of people didn't like that though because I remember when the trailer came out there was certainly people who were talking about that and how they didn't like it I think it's because it's not it's so on its face what it is there's no artistry to it there's no cleverness there's no point it's very cynical it's just like if you was having a shower oh well he's having a shower it's fine if it was played seriously this is like a genuine low moment of thought where it's actually emotionally distressing as a scene that's how it's presented that feels about right that's one thing but it's played off as a joke so yeah and then not only is it played off as a joke there is a character who gets you know what this I'm gonna have to without doing spoilers I'm gonna have to make this so big there won't be any point so never mind what were you gonna say I was gonna use a Star Trek example okay I was gonna say not only is it played off as a joke played off as something positive and something fun to be enjoyed because they're like what a great beer let's just enjoy the show oh yeah that's got something about those two doesn't it the characters anyway I think it was something about the matter to be honest I think we're supposed to be in their shoes I am not in their shoes of course not I would be in their shoes if Thor was like hey look at me I'm hot and they're like you are hot Thor and like Thor was like yeah look at me go and we're like yeah we can enjoy this show as we can tell he's not happy with this he clearly didn't want this to happen but it's funny isn't it funny funny we've not mentioned the tattoos I was just about to say wow the next kind of hoping we don't talk about them I'll put it on screen and you guys no I don't want to look at it you were talking about how the Sif was your least favorite in the film this is fine I'm terrified of this does anyone want to join or like sorry I had to step up out for just one moment what are we referring to we are looking at the tattoos on Thor's back so this is a great moment are you implying that tattoos aren't real oh my goodness so we get this this cape is ripped off you get like a couple of seconds of lol Thor is naked and then you get this close up on his back it's like lol look how shit his tattoos are and they're like all a memorial to Loki so just to be clear we've got RIP Loki written in this Norse font right we've got Loki's helmet it's not particularly well drawn it's a bit crude it doesn't look that great it's probably the best thing on this tapestry of fuckery but between the horns this one's a bit hard like this one it's clearly there but your eyes aren't drawn to it as easily so I wouldn't blame anyone for missing it you have a little clip art cartoon save stone oh no that's what that is it's even worse than I thought it was you have the word brothers just written in a squiggly font next to one of the horns you have a rose and more or it's a bit below the screenshot that you've got here but it's like an emoji style broken heart man fuck off it's not elaborate isn't it funny how cringely Thor mourns his dead brother look how cringely he mourns memorial tattoos are a thing shut up free they are a thing this was you know this you were told this on twitter I can't tell for me it's meaning chat to be aware of that I posted a screenshot I can't help but get trouble on twitter this screen capture twitter with the caption kill me I thought that was funny but like instantly I get several replies going what's the problem he has memorial tattoos for his dead brother people get memorial tattoos oh you don't realise this is a joke like do you not see do you not see what they are they genuinely read a script and it says Thor has a memorial tattoo like they haven't seen it now some descriptions of the image an idea that could have been considered that I think would have been interesting would have been if there were memorial tattoos that were less overt for everybody who's died including Odin and Freya his mum time doll and maybe even the warriors 3 if you want to stop making fun of them even if they did that even if they did that having them revealed in this scene would still be a slap in the face it would need to be a simple time where someone walked past he's changing his shirt and someone sees a memorial tattoo and it's like a somber tone and it's a reflection of his loss that would justify right you could have Thor like I don't know this vulnerability has been revealed because of this bridge of his boundaries yeah I didn't know you had tattoos Thor they're quite personal to me we talk about the theme of keeping people arm's length and shutting himself off and not opening up to people and then it's forced on him against his will these vulnerabilities revealed but no it's meant to be funny look at his silly memorial tattoo oh my god you just can't help but make a joke out of any given situation like Laurel Thor's pain isn't that funny isn't that funny like all the shit this character's been through yes then you have to go through this fucking film hey guys unfortunately I'm gonna have to head out I have flights to catch so my time is all gone how much time do we have with you as well Fringy you got me for like two and a half hours that's it someone fun enough I think super chat can't wait for this to be split into two parts of the super chat to come after that I'm just sitting here considering the fact that we still got half the movie left that's kind of my point we did last time we're losing one of our guests that I really want to get their opinion on later stuff in this thing and we don't have a guarantee it's like rags last time isn't it but with Ned Roddick you know we're losing this kind of a similar situation well question Shad if we were to have part two next week would you join us for it would you be available I think I could I'll need to check my schedule but I think it's very likely I'd be able to sweet because yeah that seems like a good logical place you'll lose me next week unfortunately what are you doing I agreed to help a good friend of mine move that was a long time ago yeah well you were too far away I couldn't help you so good wow I could have longed you over here well you didn't metal chips myself just an arm from my window like oh god no slide down well Shad do you want to tell people what you're getting up to these days what they should look out for what they should watch yeah well I mean if people don't know you know because I have a main big channel but I've also started another channel called Nights Watch where we've been doing our own media reviews analysis criticism and stuff lots of fun we've got a excuse me we've got a review of four on there as well there's a whole heap of other commentary stuff so that's been a heck of a lot of fun I have another new channel called the Shadlands which is a more kind of wholesome fun project family vlog homesteading a click to kind of mix of a whole heap of things called the Shadlands so I'm doing that as well lots of stuff wow my goodness and there's a link to the to your main channel in the description I'll have to pop one in for a game nights Nights Watch that's what it used to be it used to be game nights we rebranded as Nights Watch where we do less games and more reviews yeah funnily enough you know I'll send you a message about it I won't say it right now because it's been kind of secret the short vision with the point I was going to make was just that I've enjoyed listening break some stuff down on that oh awesome yeah yeah it's a it seems like you have similar interest sometimes you know that that MCU in that Star Wars ain't doing well are they my goodness yeah the reason we were going to have you on originally was to talk about how you because you love Kenobi you thought it was a fantastic TV show very strange Shad I'm going to say Kenobi got me angry I end up ranting far more than I ever intend to but there are multiple times in many videos I just end up screaming because I get so frustrated with this crap it's been a lot of fun though man Shile plenty more on the way I'm sure well it'll be fun because this film just like all of them goes a little off the rails the further along you get there is one thing that happens in the third act that I'm sure all of us have a lot to say about it might just deal more damage to the MCU than any one thing ever has I'm not sure it's hard to say but yeah man thank you so much for hanging out with us hey guys my pleasure has been absolutely awesome as always always fun to have you on we'll catch you later you probably next weekend on a trip thanks mate alrighty so how is everyone else doing I mean I'm fine but metal my problem is only that I have to work tomorrow I'm technically fine but it is almost 2am and it's working because I suppose the thing to do now would be to have a section of onto some of the Q&A stuff logical thing to do if I'm keeping you from being able to sleep a little bit earlier then no problem I was just thinking to myself yeah you probably wouldn't have been able to make it fully to the certain parts if you were working tomorrow I think I would have maxed it out to like 3am for me but yeah that would be like 6 hours of sleep the part 2 next Sunday or Saturday that'll depend I guess are you busy both days I mean if it's Sunday I'm fine I'm just not around Saturday for the max part I probably won't be around I can tell you during the week I might be around Saturday night I'm actually not 100% sure we'll talk to Chad as well see if he's got both days open or not and then we'll see if we can be a full group back talk about I mean technically I have my forge planned for Sunday again we'll talk about it it's fine if I keep an interferon with your plans every goddamn time well already then is that alright with everybody? we'll go for a chunk of time I have no idea how many of the time but some of it alright voice 1 says today's animal of the day is the goblin shark I think people asked us to look at this one before that's the one with the mouth that's all sharks such a handsome boy oh it's the one in the water I know that one it's like the one with the special mouth special with this is one of the spider-man villains right fuck you spider-man I'm the goblin shark here for the Thor 1 supremacy agenda hey look Thor 1 has good scenes in it let's just calm down alright yes calm down a bit on Thor 1 god I was so tired of the goat joke by the third time it was on screen I agree I was tired by the second one already yeah I don't think I even laughed at the first one I just didn't work for me I'm thinking first time and then the second time being when they burst in to save them in the thingy city that might be the nature of me spreading it out for like the first time I was like oh that's fun I'm enjoying Thor's reaction to the goats and then they cut them in the ship and I'm like oh they're still doing this yeah immediately overstay their welcome like fuck almost like it backfired in terms of them being like oh they're screaming a lot and then he's like ah it's fine and then you know they shoot it so that it's in the face of the camera on their ship as if to say like we underestimated it they're actually pretty annoying and I'm like yeah you know as if you were instead of like haha it's funny that they're annoying please read the pokedex entries for guzz lord sounds hard guzz like with double zed double please guzz lord pokedex entry bulbopedia I guess okay this one already looks terrifying so it's a good start look at that lad oh boy that's a pokemon that seems so good he's from monster hunter let's see here the first one is from sun it has gobbled mountains and swallowed whole buildings according to reports it's one of these ultra beasts okay it must be a very large pokemon apparently a dangerous alt that's from moon a dangerous ultra beast that appears to be eating constantly but for some reason it's droppings have never been found oh it's constipated oh my god deep lore when it dies once it finally reaches its cap and just goes loads let's see that then ultra sun although it's alien to this world it comes from outer space goddamn and a danger here it's apparently a common organism in the world where it normally lives so it has pokemon from outer space it's normal where it's from but not here where it's not from and then we have the last one from ultra moon an unknown life form called a u b I guess it's ultra beast it may be constantly hungry it is certainly always devouring something oh my goodness I mean description wise it's not the most terrifying I've heard I'm just kind of amused by the idea that an extraterrestrial land tries to communicate with humans and they just pack it into these little bowls and they're just like you're a pokemon yeah I was about to say it's not a pokemon that's just a life form from another planet that's just no you're my prisoner now fight for me about it yeah just ate at grimmaldies and they have a special pizza called the dawn cool oh boy hello masses can't stay long just wanted to remind you that Thor told us that you can't get to Valhalla if you die after battle hashtag it was Loki hashtag it was Loki maybe once I didn't listen I was like I said I'm willing to count Loki's death by Thanos as in battle but the Odin one is the one that just throws me it's like that was clearly not a battle death hmm hi rags and friends do y'all often cry when watching movies tv shows and playing games what piece of media has made you cry the most I can get pretty teary eyed I don't know about crying though but um the piece of media that's made me do it the most return of the king hmm if we're going with most I think that's what would be the contender for that yeah and I guess clarification because I don't think anything I don't think I've ever cried in the sense of like you know sobbing um but shed tea is for sure a different bigger payoffs probably gonna go if it was a single piece of media would go to Buffy and Angel as a a whole package I got nothing specific that I could reference right now to be honest I would need to think very hard because I not crying uh yeah I don't know I got nothing um the end of uh the episode of The Simpsons went home or was with his mom and then he's staring up at the stars um as a credits roll that tends to get me every single time all right you're the only one left sorry I wasn't listening media that's made you cry oh a lot I'm very weak and feeble um so most recently was everything everywhere all at once um yeah I I cried a couple of times during that um what else got me I'm sure I've been got recently is by something else as well did stranger things get you um the one that's got me stranger things did not get no strange things did get me um that you know that scene that would have been better if a different thing didn't happen after that scene oh yeah that scene got me yeah that scene is practically fucking designed to do that I think um and also um the uh the other scene where a similar thing happens but a different thing afterwards doesn't happen to make the thing worse the thing not no thing like that happens um that scene um got got me as well and also the scene between Dustin and um Uncle Man that one got me mm-hmm um but more so than anything I think the film I cried at most and it was I think just because of like um personal relation to it you know not rather not like this is the most emotionally and gripping film I've ever seen it's more so like oh personally I have a connection to this was uh uh Coco I really liked and yeah Coco is really good there you go how does it pick some movies I think it's uh Wally like the ending um when Wally's doesn't have his memories that uh man that's really sad what about when C3PO lost his memories I was actually on someone in chat I just wanted to confirm Ray you cried when Ray said Ray Skywalker right yes I mean it's a powerful moment in cinema Ray Skywalker right and then and then the lady is like that's not true you're a liar tell me the truth let's give it a blaster give me your money I'm robbing you probably of course it goes without saying but we all uh bawled like little babies of course in Pokemon 2000 when Ash turned a stone when he was trying to stop the battle between Mew and you two oh yeah I'm pretty sure I saw that in the cinema I think I did when I said pretty sure after that I was like I think hi Rax hello please read chainsaw man it's about a man with a chainsaw for a head chainsaw for a head yeah seems awkward but I'm alright it's anime manga I don't think there's an anime yet I'm just warning Rax so he's not getting baited hey all did you guys notice the really strange bit of ADR of Hayden yelling Obi-Wan right as Obi-Wan walks away they hold a shot on Vader's face Hayden's mouth is visible and his mouth doesn't move that's the best kind of ADR when you can see his mouth is not moving well I'd have to check it but I could believe it of course Obi-Wan movie boss level has that a lot it was a bad movie I covered in the forge now I saw someone on twitter say that they thought that him screaming Obi-Wan was better than screaming Kenobi which do you guys prefer do you prefer Obi-Wan or Kenobi I feel like he'd call him Obi-Wan he wouldn't call him Kenobi oh sure I guess I'm just saying which visceral guttural scream do you prefer like in terms of overall as a scream oh I can't remember I don't know I prefer Kenobi I don't know I enjoy I enjoy that one it's just the way that he screams it it's just really it's pretty brava brava you know one of my one of my favorite little screaming name things this is gonna be really odd but it's in the page master when Dr. Jekyll transforms and as he turns around and he says mr hide I always thought that was super creepy oh you're super creepy stop sending me your underwear in the mail please why I would never waste good musky underwear on the likes of J on the likes of J not allowed I don't think that you're allowed to declare that you wouldn't give your underwear to a Jewish person you must give the Jews your underpants your undergarments I don't think that's I think you've gone too far in the opposite direction now giving them your underpants giving a Jewish person your underwear is morally neutral well no compared to the fact that the person is Jewish does not change the morality of the situation of giving them your underwear unless I guess unless there's like some kind of if it was mixed fabrics and you gave it to him specifically for that reason maybe I wouldn't know anything about that because one of God it's one of God's very useful helpful rules the whole don't wear mixed fabrics things what's been God's origin story is that you read that that's fucking bullshit I'm just killing this guy that was so great does it sound like you just like seeing people get stabbed or something I didn't think I had to confirm that it was pretty obvious it stabbed his nuts how you mentioned before I love the metal bands like Iron Maiden and Avantasia out of curiosity are you a fan of ghost or Judas Priest so a bit from them but not my preference my friends interrupted me watching prestige for the first time to catch this garbage opening day thankfully prestige is one of the best movies I've ever seen and watched my brain of this tribe oh that's good nice I'm watching a while till we watch it I like that movie it's neat it's good show it to me for the first time I showed like everybody I'm like hey now wings quote of the day he started making sneak disses towards me and that's why he got banned like calling me a one pump plump chump chimp one pump plump chimp that's a sneak dis that's a sneak dis okay now he's saying you're a fat simian premature ejaculator it's pretty pretty hurrah hi rags you ever get your black widow exclusive commemorative cinema popcorn bucket from ebay no I didn't I never did I'll leave it there for someone else a truth I'll leave it there for the true fans to collect damn bye rags goodbye where is Smiler is he safe is y'all right yeah he's safe he spends a little less time on the internet these days though I did make him see Thor your monster which is funny because he really liked ragnarok yeah this should be fun what he said when he came out with cinema was that is the most factory produced thing I've ever seen yep um Darth Vader voice did you really think you could defeat me you lied to me you hate of me the misery oh gosh why not just do it uh oh today is my birthday watching Thor 4 in an hour that's a decision I guess yeah well happy birthday birthday you can oh also rags you googled it wrong it's not SRRT1 it's PRRT1 stands for Pennsylvania Railroad amazing design also faster steam engine ever huh don't you Pennsylvania Railroad that's one of the monopoly railroads right Pennsylvania Railroad also Thor is not a name it's a people it's a people it's not a name it's a peephole oof uh Tycho Waititi asking Natalie if she wants to be in Star Wars finally as a step down from him digging up Christopher Lee's grave and asking the corpse do you want to be in Star Wars with the opportunity of a lifetime um that would be weird though because grave robbing is like that would be somewhat more unsettling I think yeah there's a couple of elements that are kind of fine it's all for comedy oh well if you did it as a joke that would be funny they catch him in the act he's like it's a joke it's a joke oh you you you jokester you I've been playing Shovel Knight again recently and my favorite boss so far is Plague Knight a green plague doctor that uses vials of goo to make explosions I don't remember that boss does it um okay fine greetings e-fappers hope all is well and I'm happy I could make it today happy fapping gents oh thank you oh thank you very much we did have some pretty happy fappin any fapp shared is uh just just generally better I feel like a tree inside a circle watching the sunrise is that a reference I have no idea what that means does that make you a sundial does that make you a sundial a tree inside of a circle watching the sunrise I have no idea what that means I ain't got nothing for it neither nothing for it neither how to character assassinate a jawa obi one how much jawa talks in cute obi one that's too much I'd buy a half jawa puts down the item and then says look here look listen listen also molla streamer mgr melgier rising is it hell yeah um molla it is me jay owner of e-fap what do you just stream a playthrough of jedi fallen order in case you fail to comply I will have to fire you sincerely your loving boss jamond extra terrestrial synom roberto if you're gonna use your one like free identity theft of me to make a demand of molla why go for a full playthrough of fallen order that's weak weak so make him play something good really bad people like fallen order jay I'll have you know I found that I got given to be quite mediocre like yeah it's exactly right it's just a mediocre mid game of like oh it's fine I guess like I can't imagine like a more boring thing to make you stream like oh well I guess there are probably quite a few things but you know it's just a very boring I would recommend many other games before I'd recommend fallen order like if I was gonna force molla to play one probably go for like I don't know something nautica yes I would love to force you through to stream subnautica although it will probably become apparent very quickly if it was going to be an entertaining stream or not because if like that became particular style of horror doesn't have an effect on you which has every chance it won't but it might it might just be like oh okay I would get submersed into the submersiveness of it yeah I would love to force you with the game submers your expectations I think so what are you waiting for Jay make a pun it's herculean not herculean you massives you're a massive I keep up to date with all these pronounce lies you guys sit in the top of the theater we're in the front I am for the middle I sit in the middle because the middle is going to generally have that big open aisle so that you can cross through the middle of the theater which means that there's a row in the middle where you can where you can sit I'm not that picky just not too far forward not too far back and generally is close to the center of the aisle as possible like but like yeah it's fine I always go all the way in the back if I can and then the middle hell yeah so if you have the screen up here and apparently getting scammed for my premium seats because they're normal everywhere else the premium seats that are standard in Australia we don't have those well I love senior cameo and it's a Gundam's video love your videos lately rags keep it up oh thank you very much yeah that was quite strange he was like talk about in Kenobi if you want to he was like you know what you can pick any topic and I gunned for Uncle Owen that piece called Uncle Steen people still talk about Stranger Things Season 4 and they've already forgotten about Kenobi character work is really important also blind man a mini when high rag hello I don't know exactly when that will happen but it will and as for it's pretty obvious Stranger Things is like staying power social media wise was either about Max or Eddie totally character based often is Kenobi like I mean I'm not going to say it disappeared instantly there were some people who were like oh my god so meaningful but like there's just not much to dig out of that show yep yeah there's nothing of lasting impact in that show whatsoever it's very much I mean if you're in it for nostalgia and aesthetic and just references then it just won't last it's just won't last they introduced another OP character love appears to be an avatar of eternity one of the most powerful entities in marble uh yeah she has powers when you hit the end we'll get to that uh that'll be the last thing we get to actually yes basically you are correct and I've heard that eternity is apparently powerful obviously we've never heard of it before because they didn't plan for any of this it's how powerful it is it is the power to remain a secret in the narrative just as thank you no problem Morbu is greater than MCU phase 4 Morbius well I haven't seen Morbius so yeah sure I doubt it beats no way home but I agree just by default any random movie I guess that's the more interesting thing is that it might be better um it's just kind of funny the perception yeah the Sony Marvel movie is shit it's like you know what it's also not been very good lately maybe it's time finally time to Morb succumb to it I wonder if they're gonna make a sequel like uh that film made money but it probably didn't make as much money as they would they're like the team up movie right well so I know that um because madame web that films got like a pretty extensive cast so it's kind of like it leads to the conclusion that that's gonna be like a lot of spider-man characters will be in that film it's like they're really um they're in a rush to like get their spider-man adjacent universe up and running and they're probably making a good decision by doing so really it's um they're never gonna not make Sony's gonna hold on to those spider-man rights but like as as much as they can there was like the best investment they've ever made like that was that was such a smart decision to buy spider-man film rights yeah well they for seven million dollars as well right was it only seven million it was uh I think it was if they paid 25 million they would have gotten access to all of uh the Marvel film rights but they said that the only thing anybody got about was spider-man correct to a degree well uh at the time X-men uh unless they didn't have access to X-men at that point X-men didn't they but I don't know when they bought the rights to spider-man compared to when Fox bought the rights to X-men because X-men was huge in the 90s X-men was like massive uh at the time and I guess if they didn't have access to X-men then yes but well of course spider-man is like the most popular Marvel superhero so yeah out of context EFAP you remember Jabba the Hutt I'm gonna ruin him that's a quote okay I don't remember saying that uh no give me that hot cream no give it to us can I please drink the hot cream yeah I'll give it to you it just sort of slips into your throat you didn't even say that okay wait what's the uh what's the average what's the volume of like a standard bathtub and how much hot cream do you have I think the volume of the standard bathtub is silent yeah shut up rags I'm gonna fill you with hot cream no don't fill me with hot cream hot rags you sticky slimy the rise of skywalker it's like it makes me actually shiver the rise of skywalker versus endgame which is worse written the rise of skywalker versus endgame I'm not gonna lie skywalker is certainly funnier yeah would you right I have no clue I won't need to rewatch both because I haven't seen them in a long time I think I'll go with endgame because it does more endgame's got crazy time travel stuff and there is a lot of character stuff in there too it's just people don't tend to think about it and I think it helps that we didn't have many characters at that point to ruin in star wars they were all dead and gone pretty much by that point so endgame kind of was the it was the one that put him in the coffin so to speak and for that reason having less to ruin doesn't mean it's better written it just means that it can do less damage less offsetting it should do less damage no I would still say that endgame's a worse written movie it does seem that way to me it seems like it does way more damage in how incongruous it is it's more some movies are more obviously bad than others and I think that the rise of skywalker is a more obviously bad film where as endgame takes a bit of endgame people are hoping it'll be good the scale I want to put it on is that rise of skywalker is more conspicuously embarrassing it's high on the embarrassing scale you cannot miss the problems with that it is very embarrassing I also just don't remember anything from the star wars movie that I liked enjoyed so I don't know it's just because endgame's got like parts endgame has legitimately good stuff in there yeah it's just that in its totality taken together like endgame only really the parts that you like have to be taken in a vacuum without much regard for anything else in that film or like the broader series yeah eternity is the living embodiment of the universe cool okay feels like that concept was wasted I feel like you made that up they never waste anything it's for comedy the fact that we will never get a continuation to infinity wars Thor will always be tragic to me also hi Fringy, hi Jay, hi Mola, hi Moodle hi Shad, hi Rax hello I mean yeah I mean if you took over from Tiger's work you probably would be like can we just just generate a movie that takes on from that timeline that goes a different direction please why not right a different worlds stranger things hi Longman and hi Rax hello hello remember every Thor movie is bad so it's fine I honestly feel like if we got a Thor movie after this movie we could actually do some really significant repairs though I think you could still yeah but it's possible I would consider having an actual fucking Mephisto introduced that's been fucking with all the characters in the MCU he's been messing with everybody's brains it was me Barry wow that's for the best flash but not only it would take ages to work on this but I think you could seriously make some good repairs with that well yeah because everybody's been acting insane pretty much it'll I guess it would take away from the stakes the character stakes of all these movies be it like yeah it wasn't bad but that's been so bad that like they're out of character it's worth it as a trade yeah or maybe we'll be watching the bizarro universe like in the MCU where referencing Kang is like no we'd want to make this good like we want Mephisto's goal is to fuck with people he had a goal so chaos and disorder yeah and he's like and what would it take what levels would I have to push in people and what can I make them think aren't options just try and make something out of it and yeah you can repair so many people by doing this it's like you made him an apathetic fool who wanted to eat loads of food just to see if he could also I don't know how you'd write it to make it more interesting than that but I don't know that would be one way to try and reset and repair oh oh boy it's all fucked whatever happened to the Aquaman e-fat movies it is still being edited as far as I know it is still boring you will get it and you'll get the batwoman one ones rather but remember Mooler Steiner because an extra bumped his head on a sci-fi movie 40 years ago it's okay that Thor's a little clown boy now I wonder if that guy knows the legacies left behind I saw someone say that someone else said he died in 2016 the guy who played that guy I don't know if that's true but it was oddly specific for it to be a lie I guess sad face have any of you seen the Filmento video where he says Age of Ultron is better than Avengers 1 I am aware of that wow really I know that one of the arguments he makes is about the whole color grading stuff okay at least I think so but I'm pretty sure he as well argues like the writing is better I'm pretty sure come on Age of Ultron it's really great fodder for an e-fat coverage but it's just hard Age of Ultron yes pretty sure it's in his you know like where Age of Ultron succeeded where Avengers failed I mean it's more like the other way around really okay man alright it's one of the videos that made me unsubscribe from him ages ago oh no who's this Filmento the one that when we come in first people are like leave him alone he's got lots of interesting things to say dude people said that about Hytop then we come in him twice he says it happens every time the tomorrow one was that that was it let him finish no go back let him finish too please don't let him finish don't even let him start good times don't let him spot don't let him spot everyone you dumboes really need to look at Satina World of Birds not only is it a good spec Evo it has amazing stories about sapient species facing their death what's a spec Evo it's a kind of Evo yeah I guess it's a kind of Evo I don't know sounds like rags satisfied with that answer this week processing I'm not you know what I'm fine to move on I didn't really care that much it's one of those things you care about if the answer comes quickly but it takes a while to get an answer then you're like I don't care that much chat says a species evolution or speculative evolution one of the two there you go that's as fast as I could come up with I really like that I should have known what that was well you didn't know you're stupid get fucked any Bibleridian fans in chat fuck it just call you guys and adds any Christians fans of the Bibble Meridian Bibble I play while watching Thor my eyes kept drifting away from the screen and I began to zone out thinking about my taxes oh no what a great sign favorite original track from Stranger Things Season 4 I think I wouldn't remember me either is super underrated as a track I don't know the names of the tracks I'm afraid just how does it go I don't even have a favorite from the soundtrack I like Stranger Things soundtrack basically as a whole like all the seasons I mean I think that the main theme is really great I like it it's so moody it's fucking cool the whole intro is cool it's so simple but sets the mood I agree synthwave well that's probably not synthwave it's probably a different sub genre of like electronic oh maybe it is I kept checking my watch to see how much time it passed this film feels so long but it feels not much happened I felt the movie just went by like nothing it was a bit of a superposition for me where I could have told you I felt like it was lasting way too long and I wanted it to end but also it was going so fucking fast same here same here I think when they were fighting in the I think well maybe it's the same for you guys but when they were fighting in the shadow realm I was sort of there like is this the end when they were on the moon I thought that that was the final fight and the movie would be over and I would finally in the trailer there was like some weird sort of temple place that they had gone to so that's why I was confused like it feels like we're leading to an end point here and yet we're not we haven't done enough work it's really difficult sometimes to argue pacing but like this one everyone seems to think the pacing is off pacing is complicated because there is no strict structure that all films should follow and some films are going to take like the pacing it's sort of a gut feeling like something's wrong and that's not like great as a thing to appeal to qualitatively anyway but in this case amount of progress and information for time you can't have too much and you can't have too little it's like this fucking golden rule that's really hard to get and I don't think you'll ever satisfy everybody with it I mean that applies to everything but this one just flies so fast yet at the same time it's just like but we're not done yet though right intuitive understanding with a lot of films of no but we've still got more we need to do we've still got more work ahead of us narratively to be honest even after this I'd still look forward to any independent projects from Taika Waititi though I'm scared to forget Guardians of the Galaxy 3 I mean you should probably be scared for that anyway that's probably fair that's part of the Marvel thing I guess until I think otherwise the shot in the dark I don't know what I'm going to get from him now yeah I think that he thinks this film is funny that's like I'm sure he doesn't think it's funny yeah hard to believe yeah he thinks that eFap on EID how did I get so lucky Mola is gay gay EID I don't know EID um extinction oh no interdimensional dinosaur whoa dinosaurs I've been falling 30 minutes is one of my favorite jokes in the MCU none of the jokes in this movie come close it's so funny it's great there's loads of really fucking good jokes in Ragnarok oh what happened I bet Tiger things the MCU is just comic stuff but Kiz if you ruin a dramatic moment or ruin a character it's all just goofy comic nonsense anyway oh who Kiz if you I mean you know that you wouldn't feel that way when you actually talked to him about some of the stuff that happens in Jojo Rabbit you know that you'd be like why wouldn't there be a joke here he'd be like because that would be inappropriate yeah maybe it's just like his own project that this is like a Marvel thing and maybe there's a different attitude that he takes in terms of but Ragnarok this is my Hitler and I don't want him to be in it he might genuinely not take the MCU seriously as artwork like he might just be like this is my money work um but didn't he he pushed back against the Martin Scorsese thing remember so I suppose we could go the agile if we want to get really thingy about it that he's just trying to ensure that he has the work for the future right I don't trust directors like this kind of interprofessionals public comments on anything like ultimately everything they say would just be a thing that they had to say um I guess or a thing that they said for their career yeah maybe maybe Jane talks about interstellar so Christopher Nolan movies exist in the MCU the dark night trilogy exists in the MCU Gore is Batman and the MCU can and maybe be funny if you watch like yeah Batman is like wait wait a minute huh that fella you can't look like me fucking incest hello dude I swear you just said fucking incest hello dude yeah it's basically the same thing both those things make me feel the same thing discussed arousal Ron Gilbert doesn't deserve hate for the art style of return to monkey island of monkey island let this man create his work and give it a fair chance return to monkey island is the new one that's coming out right I don't know anything about this I don't even know Ron Gilbert was I think uh oh I'm pretty sure he's the guy who made monkey islands and I think they're making a new one um um I didn't even know that there was like any controversy surrounding that game yeah I didn't know either got nothing for that one Nebula immediately trying to kill the goats was by far my favorite part of the movie also hi rags hello um I did not appreciate her trying to kill the goats they were just having a really stressful day yeah it seems a bit much to me because I'm envisioning like he gets the shot off brain is just blasted over the walls and I should be like yeah and then the other one starts screaming even more I don't think it resolves anything like this doesn't this I can't teach you anything violence begets violence exactly yeah go the god butchera is one of the most metal names for a supervillain ever not gonna lie um yeah sorry I'm actually now thinking about this this might be a topic so apparently there's um the on the subject of the last of us remake I think it's being sold for full price but it doesn't have the multiplayer that the original game had it'll be worth it now I don't know if this is a hot take but uh last of us had really great multiplayer mode I really liked that multiplayer I played it for like a year is like my main multiplayer game I didn't last of us has really cool multiplayer it well what was really interesting about it is um I think that the design of that game shine better in the multiplayer than it did in the single player because you are competing with other players with the same attributes as you and you don't have the bad AI as a factor so it's like you've got to deal with crafting and um uh inventory management against other players who also have the same tools it's um it's really fun I'm not quite sure why last of us too didn't have multiplayer nor why you would do a remake of the first game without multiplayer and I think it's hard to rationalize selling a remake of a game with less content for more money I was really uh really missed that they didn't have multiplayer and doom eternal I really enjoyed the 2016 doom multiplayer I think you were uh you were in the minority I remember uh I remember total biscuit didn't like it much at all I remember at the time he really liked the single player but the multiplayer was not I think the multiplayer is quite there's a lot to like about the multiplayer for 2016 doom there's a lot of really good maps great modes there's a good amount of balance and variety in the weapons that you choose and I think it was really well paste consolidation of resources like you know if you if you get the um if you get the feedback single player was great multiplayer and I uh I think it makes a lot of sense to consolidate all of your resources into building a really good single player mode in your next one um I guess in the last of us two it didn't really pay off there's not a uh there's not really a huge improvement in the mechanics at all in some respects like the dogs was not a um that was not a great we've talked about that right the dog enemies I don't think that they work pretty well dog enemies are just dogs in video games as enemies are often very poorly done they're just they're very often either annoying or they're just horrifically balanced or they do they're just frustrating I think um the way I would explain it is that in stealth games um it's it's really into it's it's not even intuitive it just makes sense it's really easy to account for sites depending on the sound engine in the game it's pretty easy to account for the sounds that you're making um it's really hard to account for your odor or your scent you know when when having to deal with enemies you need to avoid like what what what can I do as a player to understand the scent that I have left behind and how the dog is going to be able to track me through this environment what am I meant to do how can I know this without using the um because I had that in the super duper eyesight mode it involves scent though like a lot of my most annoying dogs come from from software games they don't use what I would do is if I was going to have scent and dogs in a stealth game is they'd be like a special type of enemy um they would if you were within a certain proximity of them they would very slowly track you but as long as you moved you could easily move away from them because they would track you very slowly and there would be an animation where they like sniff around to tell if they're in range or not but they very slowly come after you so you'd have to keep moving though it wouldn't be necessarily difficult you could sneak you could sneak faster than they could move but you would have to keep moving you couldn't just sit down it could be really well implemented because I think I agree that that's a better way to do it because in the last year or two they had a little warning prompt that would say the dog has caught your scent it's like how is this not a failure of game design that you need text to tell me yeah you need to make this diagetic which is easy to do because dogs do things like move and make noises yeah like if you went and then they're like I think he's got something and then that's how you know rather than literal text box omnipotent text box saying you have the scent has been caught and someone might be like isn't that what it is when it's a detected thing it's like I think detected is a little more that one is still integrated better and that there's like a little prompt on their head usually they'll shout something if they've seen you or go like huh so like a lot of games will even allow you to turn off the detection signal because there's enough features built into the game that you know when you've been found sound design is a big part of it text box saying you have been noticed yeah it's and remember the only way that you could track what the dog knew was with the super duper sight like the eagle vision thing that showed you the dog and your trail but I can't like tell that visually in the same way that if I walk out in front of a dude who's seen me I can tell that he can see me because he's looking at me and I'm really close you know like just have the dog the dog is sniffing around that's the animation visually you could hear it sniffing for you and if you need to exaggerate the sniffing noise a little bit just for the gameplay stuff that's fine you know and as long as it's that thing you hit where oh now you're starting to encounter dogs every once in a while on these levels which means that if they get too close you can't just chill in a spot forever and do a little bit of pressure that you have to move around a little bit um and that can you know you can just tweak how difficult you want that to be it could be not a big deal at all or it could be a big one it's up to you as the designer that's where the talent comes in um well I'm gonna bounce now because it's getting late goodbye my dog uh yeah so we just what the day will be for the other one I sure will and Chad if you want to see me and Fringy's opinions to the fullest already we did a mettle's fortune yesterday go check that out I thought it was a very good episode three hours of madness it is three hours of madness absolutely uh I don't know which link you put down there I don't know if it's the fortune or not I haven't checked but just look for mettle's fortune you'll find it uh I checked you can find it but that wording it's great uh yeah and now I'll go to bed alright then see you soon guys bye bye even more Chad or else I want Chad to be a regular I'm he's got his own show that he runs regularly he can't be a regular on another show nobody does that's ridiculous it's not possible the totality of shtad content there's a good amount of it on a weekly basis it's like it's like eFap where you're like I wish they did more episodes and then you go oh there's 200 of them okay I'll check that out do it a few years I wish to request the most aggressive chorus of the present host guests can muster also salutations rackleton I don't think you know what you're asking for that was the most aggressive you got I feel like you're holding back them hmm no I went as high pitch as I can that's about as what is that when they're asking high pitched oh well they said most aggressive I suppose you can interpret that because most aggressive to me seems like screaming it very loudly while doing it I always thought the joke with that especially going back to good old Malignan is where it's like that's where it's at it's peak it's like the absurdity the clowny nature of it like the more intense it gets the more high pitched and silly it gets where screaming isn't really silly it's more scary chat just said y'all are weird I don't know why they would have said that at this point everything would be very normal very normal um there you go that sounds a bit more like uh Jeremy though yeah I know yeah that's what my mind went through I really like the idea that one person in chat right now is thinking who the fuck is Jeremy who's Jeremy and why did he go there are some people who will be like oh they be geeks and gamers they'll be like yeah he makes that noise every time he jumps into a cold so it's like no the quartering Jeremy you're like wait how many Jeremy's are there every Jeremy Jeremy from CinemaSins that's who we mean oh no we mean Jeremy Clarkson you know what CinemaSins would be improved pretty immensely instead of the ding it just went BOOM what do you think like and when they I used to change the sound up a lot for a joke it was really fun but when they removed the sin it should go backwards like backwards backwards that was really good yeah I'm proud of my I don't know it's just it seems to come naturally yeah I mean once my when I was living in student accommodation when my flatmates came in I was like are you recording and he made the weirdest noise he could and I was like thanks for that and then he said can that be the same counter and I was like yeah that whole audio got into the episode that was on Shrek 2 I believe wow other than much by the way speaking of CinemaSins I'm actually like tired of how long it's taking for the culture to turn on you know like this popular tweets or threads whatever when they just go and ruin an entire generation of critics to be like I wanted to turn over to stop blaming CinemaSins for everything he hasn't been relevant for fucking ages no one cares nobody talked about well how many views do they get on their video but the thing is like nobody is ever gonna cite them as inspiration no and I guess as I pull it up even though their videos still get a good amount of view well not as good as they used to be every single thing they've released in um the last few months has been less than a million views but I mean still it's like hundreds of thousands of views but but yeah you're right like despite they're kind of like the avatar of of like movie you know everyone knows about it no one like latched on to it then nobody's favorite channel it'd be like it's almost ruined movies and you'd be like did it for a long time I really enjoy watching the videos I don't really understand what I got out of them now because I remember um my art got into like this is how I started right like I I wouldn't have been able to make a series on them if I wasn't like pretty deep into them at that point having realized that they actually kind of suck um yeah but my art started with like honest trailers videos they're really funny and they are they're really well written they're really good comedy actually maybe they're not anymore I don't know I haven't watched them in a while but like they definitely used to be um I started watching cinemas and they're like okay if I want like they're longer so if I need but they're not as good so like um and then eventually I just started wanting that more content so much that I started to prefer cinema sense to honest trailers and eventually became like the channel I watched most and then I started shitting on them the one thing that the comment that they made um that was like that really got me going on these guys aren't actually very good are they was uh you guys remember the shot at the beginning of force awakens where you see the silhouette of a star destroyer in front of a planet yeah um he says why is this star destroyer's shadow so big on this planet I couldn't I couldn't tell you myself I don't know how I have no clue why that would be the case are you memeing or yeah I am memeing I figured yeah it's so played so straight I couldn't tell it's on the delivery it is all pretending to be retarded sure it's on there except it's like I wish it was pretend you need a vital organ or limb replaced which do you choose wait for someone to die so you can have it or growing an identical clone of yourself and taking said vital organ so um with it right yeah an identical clone of myself um would be person yeah I think that's the question is so yeah I do believe an identical clone of myself would also that would just be murder at that point um yeah so like the same way that you you don't have full control over your kids autonomy you don't have like a clone is the same thing as just having a kid my clone the clone owns himself it is like sentient and alive and um and capable of making choices um your clone would be if we're talking about scientifically feasible cloning here rather than like you've popped into a machine and like a duplicate has popped out who is like an exact couple in your life even then they're their own person but like that's a separate thing um if we're talking about like scientifically feasible cloning where you just create someone identically identical to yourself they're gonna be less similar to you than like an identical twin would be because they have grown up in a completely different context at a different time um well yeah they're biologically you but they're not you yeah they're not they're not you they're just a different person I think genetically they'll be more similar to you than an identical twin would be however I'm not sure though I don't know I'm pretty sure that would be 100% genetically identical right I don't know how cloning processes well I thought the question was that they were like a cloning process why would you even say that that's something political well as in like no as in like I'm talking about like the side perfection of the cloning process cloning has happened um it's not like cheap right and I don't know if like a cat's a clone is more similar is more genetically similar than a like just an identical twin cat because like like the both processes I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is not based on our reality because it involves just taking the life of a human clone well like I don't think humans have been cloned but it's plausible I think I don't see any reason why they couldn't be I don't see why it wouldn't be plausible you know this is not a thing that you have an option to do is my point IRL it's hypothetical we know that it's a hypothetical yeah you don't need to worry about finding out from real life how viable cloning processes are I don't just the whole point was just that like this person who is not you will be less similar to you than like just a twin would be if you had an identical twin oh I mean I figured that would be more similar but I don't think it matters if we're talking about like who they are as a person they are in different circumstances to you I thought you said genetically I thought other than genetically possibly right they might be more similar but I don't know if they would be more similar well I guess at that point it depends on that it inform our perspective on what makes a person a person how much of it is your experiences and how much of it is just like how your brain works in terms of personality they would develop in the kind of decisions they would make they will be more different to you than a twin would likely be a twin was raised in similar circumstances to you well so what I'm saying is it would be interesting to observe the similarities and differences and then try and figure out how much of who you are is down to your genetics versus how much of it comes down to your lived experiences also I wonder how long is I wonder if embryos can be frozen like what's the word I'm looking for the cryogenically it's a basic word that I know it's just not coming to my brain one sperm goes into an egg and the no that process is called not fertilize conception conception conception conception so yeah we're inseminated there's another one right that's a process of fertilization embryo could be frozen freeze fucking hell frozen after conception because then you could have genetically identical people being raised at very different times because I've frozen some my stuff so I can have kids maybe and that lasts for like 70 years that's neat we're going to have you what was that I thought it was clear wasn't it opinion I think we answered the question though it seems like we're all in agreement that killing the clone would just be murder yeah so when they present the option of I can wait for a vital organ to come from someone dying some horrible accident just organ donor list versus rowing a clone and killing it and taking that organ yeah I would consider it unconscionable to grow a fucking human being just to steal their organs and let them die well have you seen how fortuitous we talked about Kenobi and now we're talking about this but have you seen the island yes I think I have that's Michael Bay it's Michael Bay well who knows the standards now I wonder how like Transformers 2 is like absolute nonsense but I would be so curious to see where Transformers 2 would stack up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now like where does it rank compared to Phase 4 projects interesting the word in comic is a symbiote though are the shadow monsters was made by god of symbiotes yeah but they probably don't have access to the symbiote they're missing on those words oh but I guess to answer the question I'm at I'm guessing that I don't know what the nature is with Sony like symbiotes or the third god skin boss yeah he does kind of look like the god skin lads Disney Star Wars seems to really not like using aliens well they find we're using aliens that look like humans sorry Disney Star Wars probably doesn't like aliens and I don't like that upsets me wait Bill Nye was David Jones Bill Nye and Bill Nyee are two different people I can't science bro it was weird for me because Bill Nyee was the one that I knew really well first I didn't really know Bill Nye at all it was sort of an American culture thing I think right and so when people would even partially mention someone called Bill Nye I thought it was Bill Nyee yeah and then we're both just dramatically confused cause it's just like we're not at all talking about the same thing I wonder how different a person's name could be before it's possible to make that mistake Steve Johnson I thought he was called Dave Smith John Smith yeah I feel like that it just goes past this invisible eye you know is killing a god like eating Pringles once you pop can't stop yeah apparently I vowed to now kill all the gods like okay like Arthur got his name the character in the first episode of smiling friends that felt good oh why don't I remember his name the one that that's his name the smiling friends are here that was important that impression it had to be made Desmond Desmond the smiling friends are here imagine if a person of different color wronged you and you decide to kill all you know I made the joke in the stream different wait what's the joke the gore was wronged by a god so he decides to kill all gods I referenced the that's why I became a racist yeah yeah I can't stop thinking about it it's one of my favorite lines of dialogue in anything ever and I never hear anyone else reference it pretty good wow that makes us really want to see it well I can start giving reports I have seen the first two episodes gradually going through it whenever I got food to eat that was the process in which I throw on some random shit sometimes and that is currently the boys that's how I did stranger things and then I was like oh shit it's actually like not cringe and then I was like that's how I did stranger things and then I was like oh shit it's actually not cringe the boys though is pretty cringe it's better than season 2 the first two episodes I've seen but they're still like more so they will at this point I just don't know how anything fucking makes any sense you guys know how like Homelander they've got that leverage on him from the airplane footage yeah like everything to do with that in season 2 is fucking ass but like in this season they still got it and then like they're trying to figure out who's gonna join the 7 and the bosses of Vaught put Starlight as a co-captain to try and get a better image for Vaught and Homelander's like annoyed by this but he suggests the deep rejoin and then she's like I'm not gonna have the fucking guy who mouth raped me on the team and then Homelander's like oh yeah well you can't stop me and then she's like I'll release the video and then he's like go ahead release the video because then I'll have nothing to lose and I'll just kill and destroy everything I was just like is that really that's the conclusion of the leverage we had on him in season 2 he just said I don't care I thought that was the conclusion in the first place though where he said I'll kill everyone and then Mae was like yeah but they'll all hate you so that's enough for me because basically we defined then we've lost our leverage on Homelander in season 3 he's scary again why would you introduce the leverage and then just say he just says I don't care they never knew what they were going to do which is odd when I think they knew before season 2 ended that they were gonna have a third season and they had to have known because the show was so popular there's also like this classic lame writing to me the character who blows people's heads up you know so she and Hughie have been working together and they're really good friends for a whole year that's the gap between season 2 and 3 and then like this guy he just comes in the office and he doesn't speak to her and refers to her by her name that's not her name and Hughie's like that's strange and then like when she's leaving work the guy is again they're like hey and calling her by her name that's not her name he follows them they go into an alley and she's like no and then they get into a fight and she explodes his whole body and Hughie sees all of it and he's like oh my god she's a soup and she's evil I thought the whole point of the setup in season 2 was gonna be that that would be unknown for a while it's just a really boring way to get that information revealed like oh well there you go some person from her past comes up to her and is like you're the person that you're not saying you are oh no you blew me up and Hughie saw the whole thing alright there you are I guess so I don't know this is all very like I'm watching it not watching it not too interested I'll probably go through the season and then just tell you guys about the stupidest things that I see but like I'm just not too invested doing like an eFab episode for it you know and you guys haven't seen it so this is probably not gonna work out but I've seen people say like they were enjoying the season up until the end and I'm already like I already don't think it's well written and I haven't gotten you a close to the end so oh nooo they do um there's just a lot of like really just like basic as fuck writing where they're like hey butcher mpv is a thing and then butchers like I don't fucking want to be like you disgusting assholes and goes to throw it away doesn't and then his next mission involves like fucking around with soups and so it's like yeah you're probably gonna need that temp v because you wouldn't want to get killed and I was just thinking to myself like well but isn't that what he's always done he's dealt with soups his whole life he never had temp before and then they put him in a situation where he's close to getting killed by a soup we have to take the temp v and I was just like yep I guess that's the way you do it I guess yeah I don't know I just like that wasn't interesting to me at all it's just like butcher you want to go after the soups don't you well they they they can hurt you so what if we made a storyline where you end up getting a soup power but yeah I'm interested in seeing what they do with this soldier boy just because I do like Jim so I was telling Jay about this actually you want to know one of his lines the first time you get any footage of him at all like the 1950s or something this is MAGA country no but you know I wouldn't surprise they eventually go with some of that because it's the boys they write to you so fucking on the nose but he says to a girl he keeps trying to get in like a girl's pants and she's like and eventually he's like you know maybe if you were a little nicer you'd find a man and you can stop being captain lesbo like and then he goes you should smile more I was just like fucking hell you guys are so good at this I like because it's so subtle yeah they just really really good at it and I think there's some people out there who just be like god this is so fucking biting I love it the satire is so top-notch instead of just being like wow that was easy he's a misogynism so yeah I don't know I'll keep updating you on my adventures with boys but 1.5 hours in and we're at the opening scene can't wait for part two next week and hearing this super chat right out next week after that hello rag of the future hi wrong well they were right about half of that yeah about me in the future yeah that was also true the only part they missed was when we read that message out you know they did pretty well I want to score on them go go go ones coming out soon don't worry about it infinity scorns oh uh hi rags a rock oh hello I want shads nights on here please please please all of them how many nights does he have is it three remember I think there's a maximum of four on his watch parties and stuff I do uh love and thunder is a two hour SNL skit yeah I agree it's starting to get to the point where it's really hard to escape into the world of the MCU you know it feels all very tacky and fake uh Fringies rant about wanting more aliens over humans is the transformers community in a nutshell we're pretty anti-human most of the time hi rags hello I think I'm yeah I mean you want to see more of the transformers than humankind what you don't love Sam Witwicky you know what next thing next thing you know Fringy will be saying oh I don't want to see Godzilla what I want to see is a bunch of people talking in offices and some military guys and I want drama I want family drama from some people I don't want to I don't want to see the big monster fights that's not why I it's not why I watching Godzilla movies yeah how Jane have cancer when cradle from AOU exists they explicitly say that thing can cure cancer no it just seems to have crazy healing properties as all if you're being as good faith as possible you have to assume that with all the advances we have none of them do anything about it cancer when in reality they didn't bother to check okay cancer kills people shut up a child in battle equals how to make a psychopath yeah it's kind of something that this film does multiple times and they don't like ever it's kind of really fucked up the idea I mean at the can we just talk about it now if we're in the post discussion phase or the I mean there are going to be some people who move our POV strictly made it this far so I don't see why not or dies in fact I was considering wrapping up very soon anyway so fair enough yeah I could use a lay down I suppose thank you for the content it made time fly by when I was in the military a bit late and not much but I felt the need to send some love well thank you very much I'm glad we can help the time go by by talking about movie television video game hey maybe we'll do it on the one if everyone ends up playing I will probably the only thing I foresee stopping me from playing that when it comes out is the reviews come out and they say either no we've been misled it's a horrible lie and this is like scam or it's not finished yeah it comes out and people say that it's just it's just not in a playable state then I won't play it but it I mean it's looked pretty good based on what I've seen I it seems like a nice slowish sort of paste semi-puzzle atmospheric sort of yeah walk around the light shooting game and I could I'm down for that I think I would really enjoy that I from what I've seen the mechanics seem incredibly simplistic which is just you know information don't know what that means it looks yeah it looks like a game that isn't going to be particularly difficult or complex but it's going to be engaging enough to keep you going from environment to environment which is I could go for that yeah if it's not too expensive hello there everyone and hi rags kadoodles hello I turned drinking age today so here's a brew on me what are some underrated movies that this toxic brood would recommend I watch long live rhino milk underrated movies chronicle underrated movies I don't think that's underrated everyone's a really good thing right so underrated can mean two different things when people say it is in like under scene really underappreciated or under praised by people who know about it isn't like people always say that's a 7 when it's a 10 or no one's heard of this 10 but the people who know it they like it well I guess I would say prestige that's a good one that's a good one I'm trying to think of the other side movies that people say or don't have as good of a reputation as they should uh oh uh coming what's it called it well yeah with the context that it's often shot down to like you know it is often very unfairly maligned yeah people say that movie is way worse than it actually is when it's pretty everyone's saying hoodwits I know of that movie I've never seen it yeah yeah eFap that's true Ben Horizon I mean most people have good things to think about except like red light media I don't have a bit of a sci-fi classic a horror classic no no how dare you I can agree with that you'd think that movie would just be a fame but I remember liking it really because I've seen that I'm aware of that film but I remember enjoying it as like an 8 year old the 2007 film you were 8 when you saw it I was not old there's a guy, there's a thing in that film I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna ask you this every time bringing you and answer it every time what's the guy's name from 2012 uh Gordon there's that death in Stardust that always annoyed me I always want to collect all the films that do that and make a top 10 list top 10 noble characters that get horrible deaths that the fucking movie doesn't seem to notice yeah heroes that the film doesn't understand are heroes I would I would love to watch it to revisit the film because I remember enjoying it as a kid but I don't actually remember really anything that happens in it I remember enjoying it but since it's been so long I guess I couldn't say if it's actually good I can't even say if it's underrated to be honest with you I don't know how people rate it a film that I would really like to for us to I would like to see it again but particularly for EFAT movies is we need to see Mortal Engines ooh yeah that's an underrated film uh I'm joking I'm not actually seeing it Eric no idea it's bad it is mega EFAT movies material it's like one of the I think it's I think it's the biggest movie flop ever it's one of the biggest flops full time yeah it lost like 200 million dollars which is pretty nuts pretty nuts well it was such an expensive movie and yet even when you see like that trailer like back before it came out you just kind of get the impression like really like that much money for this are you sure about that it's kind of the impression yeah I don't know how he was I mean he is Peter Jackson but still it's yeah so um it was film cost between 100 and 150 million not including marketing uh and it grossed 83.7 million so it lost the studio and estimated 175 million dollars and that and the thing is that movie looks expensive yeah you you watch that movie and you could see that this was a very pricey uh production yeah exactly it wasn't good uh though it looks like adjusted for inflation the biggest box office bomb of all time is John Carter oh I saw that one that's another one well I don't even know if that would work for because I think it's just standard action movie kind of stuff I don't think it's I don't know if it was just lack of interest or it just sort of had that middling kind of meh quality to it that no one really went for because I watched it and I liked it for just being a standard sort of action movie I don't think I don't think the expectation from Disney was that that was going to be a standard action film they wanted that to be a franchise um it cost a lot of money to make they planned sequels um and yeah just didn't pan out I I'm pretty sure that it was um yeah yeah that was a big bet for them and it just didn't didn't pan out for him hey blame Anna the rating for that should be higher than it is yes yes it should be because that's incredible um uke long schlong of mube foot shirt lane have you given any thought to a smash fap of masahiro sakurai's ultimate smash and there's less on your plate would be a game fap for the ages eye-fringing bird seed for the good doctor oh wow that's changing it up well yeah I could see us playing sif's arm was not in Valhalla poor payoff 0 out of 10 I think they would would have done that you think they would have done just anything else with that character hello brood as someone who personally didn't enjoy Thor Ragnarok could you explain why did you do that yeah I think it's knowing when not to try and be they say wisdom is knowing when you can't be wise sometimes good comedy is knowing when it's time to not make a joke comparisons though what are the obvious ones to me seems like the plays right there's why does it happen in the way you know why does it happen in Ragnarok it happens because narratively speaking the realms becoming in chaos why because Odin's not in charge of them anymore why because Loki's trapped him somewhere and he's taken his place okay and this little play which is I guess you can argue has value in and of itself as a joke just because it's like a stupid version of what we actually saw but of a scene that turned out not to be true right that Thor in Rockwild was sad that Loki had died for him but in that same film they reveal that Loki faked him out he didn't actually die there and I got Matt Damon and Liam Hemsworth recanting that scene and making a show of it while Odin is appreciating it when you know that that's actually Loki and then you know that Loki probably wrote this and forced it to happen have everyone appreciate how fucking great Loki is when he's not actually dead he's enjoying all of this it all as a narrative by its character motivated meanwhile in the new one it's literally just do you remember when they did the play before this is another one there is more to it than that like there is not really as in like I like the concept no actually I like the execution of the visual gags of like hey look this is a stage production of Thor they have the transform and the hammer moving slowly on a string but contextually the way they justified making those jokes doesn't work and it doesn't like if it was like if this was a play that had been put on for children about Thor right like hey kids today we're gonna learn about the exploits of Thor right and whatever right I could see the jokes working I could see the transform and then their outfits get ripped off and they've got their Thor outfits below and the Loki outfit below there's stuff in there that's it's more than just hey you remember this this happened before good point Jay if you change it it becomes a different thing what do you mean the question was what's the difference I just gave you what you said that there was nothing more to it than hey there was a play and there was a play before there are visual gags in there the reason I don't like the gags is the context in which they are played but there is more to it than just hey there was a play before the visual gags is something new why wouldn't that be encased in that point that there was a play before because it's more so than that's not just hey remember the play this is a reference to that that's that's another layer to the joke no it's you laugh to that other play we're doing another one so of course there's gonna be new things in it like Melissa McCarthy playing hella is a joke in and of itself and there is more to the joke then surely it's not just it's the joke isn't simply hey you remember that's the point there is more to it in Ragnarok than there is in Love and Thunder you saying like it's just there because they did it before because I understood you saying that the entire joke was just it was a reference to the fact that they did it I think it happened as a result of writing a narrative in Ragnarok I think it happened in Love and Thunder because it worked in Ragnarok yes I agree with that but that's the problem and that's how he's written a lot of the stuff because if you're asking like why is it you find that funny but not that and it's like a lot of the jokes I would argue in Ragnarok a very character supported I don't feel that way at all in Love and Thunder half the time I don't even know if a joke is happening or not that's not just because people are out of character but because I literally don't understand like anybody delivering the lines I wouldn't know and then of course yeah this bit of tonal whiplash seems much worse there's a bit of tonal whiplash in Ragnarok I don't want to say like there's not any there at all just because we've seen a way worse example but I think they handled it better in Ragnarok the way with which Thor is just treated as in he is allowed to walk a joke off and he's allowed to still be cool and confident when a joke is made in his expense in Ragnarok whereas a joke at Thor's expense brings down Thor's mood in Love and Thunder he often feels worse and they feel more mean-spirited as a result he doesn't get to he doesn't get to be still like hey yeah that bad thing just happened to me anyway moving on that was kind of funny and goofy he doesn't play along with that anymore I would even go as far as saying there like I don't like the fact that he's defeated by an electric sort of brace on his neck in Ragnarok seems really awful visually this is kind of what I'm saying like this is like the evil Ragnarok where all the good stuff is drawn out of it and maybe the worst elements are all cranked will have them spread everywhere because in some ways I guess I can see how the same person made both films when there's like architecture that's similar but it just seems to me that so much more work was in Ragnarok for making it all much more cohesive and that must be the difference because there are some people out there who feel like they're the same like in terms of how cringe and I would just argue that a lot more work went into the joke writing and I know that Tyke is capable of writing good jokes very clearly I don't know what the fuck was going on with this movie if it's color we need let's bring the rainbow isn't it funny how that doesn't really mean what's that it felt like an ad read well I mean the whole just like you said that whole scene felt like an ad for well I think it was for a broadband for broadband right for broadband service yeah I think that's apt now I'm like bring the rainbow does she think that Mjolnir can open the Bifrost is that the joke makes that mistake who knows I don't know I don't understand I didn't have this problem with Multivismanus by the way I felt like it was very straightforward in how broken it was yep but this film I have trouble sometimes pointing out what's not working because I'm not given the information I need straightforwardly the way Love and Thunder is described it sounds like you all watched a season of Picard looking forward to more Majorca's mask metal at the rags oh yeah everything I hear about Picard makes me dread the day that I'm gonna eventually end up watching it ew also Fringy look up Sandwich Eater Mr Heavy show on YouTube and you'll laugh it's like 10 seconds Sandwich Eater Mr Heavy show okay describe it to us what it's uh it's Mr Frog um but it's like Team Fortress and like the uh the engineer is like this sort of weird little bug holding a giant Sandwich and then Heavy scrambles in with very flupy limbs and basically does the Mr Frog thing that's neat 59 is a truly classic I revisit every so often we got introduced to the left Resnick Clown talent agencies and of course Yeb also high rack hello so that'd be the misogyny then uh Jenny Nicholson that's what Jeb got introduced to was it was it before that he got introduced I'm kind of sworn that's the Jeb introductions uh Lord Longbong of Mewslington Abbey is there any good chance of a Kongfap Peter Jackson's Long Kong when there's less going on it'll be a movie fap for the ages yes and well Wagsies is for the good boy hello there's a good chance check out the Jackson Long Kong remember a lot of complaints about that movie long takes too long to get to Skull Island but what is the time spent on is it character is it plot is it good is it bad we were talking about pacing wonder how well paced it I know there are people out there who think the Lord of the Rings is poorly paced Jay I didn't say that I didn't say you said that I didn't say that you said that you said that I didn't say that you said that I said these you're going in circles I haven't said anything I didn't say the answer no you're not stop it you haven't said anything and uh on that brain melting note what I'll do is just collect up what messages we had left I imagine it should take us three hours to get through the rest of Thor and then we will go through all the remaining supercats from this stream and then the ones from that following one next either Saturday or Sunday hard to say what I do know though and I just remembered is I'm pretty sure Adam and Stitch's 200th stream their show is on next Sunday oh wow that's exciting I may have already agreed to be on that at least partially so I don't know if we'd be able to run on an EVE app on the same day so maybe it has to be Saturday I don't know we'll figure something out you know emergency I'm pretty sure they run 12 hours right so in a sense I would be able to go on there anyway then that'll be a long day and that's okay what we do but before we go Jay do you want to tell people about what you're up to what you're doing yes I am hoping to make a video on this film I also hope to make a video about Kenobi and I don't think there's still a chance that that'll happen but it'll be like later down the road at this point if it does and that'll be on my channel I'm currently deep into working on a video about Brickleberry which conveniently makes a lot of the same mistakes as Thor Love and Thunder does and the jokes aren't funny and a lot of the jokes are just hey lol look how shit this character is in fact like I just finished my section on why those jokes aren't funny which felt really weird to just like save all the problems make a video describing the problems with Thor Love and Thunder before having seen the film I'd be like oh I just made a video describing all these anyway I'm also doing a podcast with Mattle on my second channel called JN Mattle's Star Trek podcast you guys like Mattle you'll enjoy that still sticking with that name huh it's funny um yeah it's also the actual us on that podcast now like the thumbnail art is now finalized so it looks nicer if you abbreviated the podcast what do you mean abbreviated I mean would it be Jamstup Jamstp Jamsp Call it Jam what does it mean it's like JN Mattle we're not just going to do Star Trek we're going to do all kinds of things maybe Jam great name what about Chris Morris it's very fun fun it's a very good show that we make very good call it JFap maybe I will uh rags bringing anything you guys wanted to say before we go away oh I don't think so yeah I really got anything well all I'll say is that I look forward as time goes on to being able to talk more about the work I've been doing but this that's nice when you can do that isn't it yeah but for now I have to just not and keep working on it it's a large lad as they always are but uh yeah you can expect us to return to your screens in probably a week's time to finish off talking about the roar the roar of the thunder I will be on real BBC on the 2D then I think wait I'm not sure exactly what's happening with the catch up for this that's coming on the last open bar but you'll probably see things about that too at some point um oh shit I think I've thought of something else that might be happening there well man I'm going to write a schedule anyway thank you all for hanging out with us thank you very much for the kind donation and the chat about the wonderful present and future of MCU guys you all you have yeah catch you all later everybody bye see y'all later oh my goodness gracious he's back