a community park seems to be offensive so I'm just really looking at the double standard here double standard here and the and the duality of this and hoping that you see the importance of having green space here in communion with native plants like I said there was great models of landpads and other parks that are neighborhood parks that have less parking or whatever to make it walkable there are ways to be creative but overall as a soon-to-be-mother I would love to walk my child down to a park and have a place room to play soccer and enjoy being outside just like most neighborhoods who are thriving thank you so much I yield my time thank you Kimmy we'll go to Noemi followed by Nick no I make can you please unmute your microphone look a pediamos anteriormente era que hubiera letreros visibles en español y en inglés tanto en la calle la burbana venida como en la magma y tenemos también perdón pediamos letreros donde dijera no fumar no marihuana no bebidas alcohólicas y que hubiera un área para los perros y también este un parqueadero que hubiera para descapacitados pero que estuviera accessible y bien marcado y también baños fijos no movibles no queremos movibles como en otros lados y que la lo publico se mantuviera ya a ciertas horas de la noche porque está muy oscuro ese lugar y el diosco pues con la información y también otra recomendación que decíamos era que que se mantuviera el área como natural que se hiciera todo como decían los ecologistas de cierta manera pero también que se vieron poco moderno para los niños y este y el cruce que es bien importante el cruce de peatones entre la escuela rosla crick y el parque y otra de las cosas que decíamos que si van a dejar árboles que sean que los mantengan porque a mi hija una vez cruzando ahí iba con su amiga de una escuela la rosla crick y le salió unas personas unos personas que viven en la calle y las corretieron a las niñas esto es un lugar peligroso si que está alumbrado muy bien y que los árboles sean visibles que pueda uno ver a a las personas porque pues para el susto que leon a mi hija la verdad este me me quedé preocupada y sigo preocupada porque mucha gente camina mucha gente cruza para la escuela un honor gracias por la invitación thank you interpreter charles can you please restate what noemi stated in spanish hello my name is noemi palomino i am the president of rosland cvi and i'm a little worried because we have some recommendations that we made at the last meeting that we had with eddy alvarez and other people i often cross the street to go to rosland creek from the school and we would like to see things like visible signs uh on bourbon and mcney in english and spanish uh just showing telling us where we can go and can't go also signs that uh say no drinking no smoking and no use of marijuana we also like to see a dog area maybe a parking area that's easy to access um also some bathroom structures that are actual structures not uh portable or movable as in other locations that we've seen uh we'd also like to request some lights for the nighttime uh because it does get quite dark and also a kiosk with information um also a couple recommendations we wanted to mention was uh maybe some maintenance in the areas as well uh in and then forms of trying to keep it in natural park as the ecologist ecologist said uh we want things to be done in an ecological way to preserve it uh and it's also another note is that it is hard for crossing that area so we'd like a crosswalk between rosland creek and the park um and another thing i want to mention is my daughter and a friend we're going walking around the area rosland creek one time and some people from the street saw them and chased them and so um we'd like it to be more visible because i'm worried about her and other girls crossing in that area so it's uh not very visible at night so we'd like it to be illuminated uh it's been an honor and thank you thank you charles and noemi nick followed by magdalena yeah this is nick reinberg um i'm uh a member of the resident of rosland my wife is here too and uh she would like to be able to speak after my three minutes as well but um to reiterate some of the comments that are previously stated that you know there is a there's a severe problem with the eir for this for this project we are not against parks in rosland we just want to make sure that they're done ethically and ecologically sound um and we need more of them having a single 16 acre park is insufficient for rosland compared to other air districts in santa rosa who have much more acreage of parks a lot of to them than than rosland um there's a lot of plots coming up for sale and the city is refusing to do anything to purchase or provide um additional parks to rosland um despite developers coming in and purchasing them as well so to the commenters and to the city council i'd behoove you to really look at what's going on in this community and be aware that you driving development of any kind of of all different kinds is really i understand that it's needed but at the same time it can't be to the detriment of the parks um needed in this community and to also ensure that there's plenty of environment that's preserved for this community you know by just constantly build build building and not doing things like um ecologically sound and without providing additional open spaces such as causing this one to be just a community park instead of a neighborhood park which would neighborhood parks in my understanding require additional parks to be around while the community park allows for a larger geographical circumference to be covered without additional parks in the area and that is a problem in rosland where we are so severely deprived of parks so in short really what it comes down to is ensuring that we have ecological sound parks and many of these parks as to show that the community has the same as other communities within san rosa because we are not afforded that same opportunity for community environmentally sound parks um i also would like to point out brown act violations currently being for this meeting you have posted only in zoom via video showing that you can dial star nine to participate via phone and raise your hand however no one at this point until now has stated that that is an option thus depriving people who are appearing only via phone without any visual assistance to be able to provide public comment which is depriving the city and its members of being able to provide comment as afforded under the brown act thank you thank you nick and i think uh nick said that his partner would like to comment as well so if that hand comes back up we'll call on it a second time let's go ahead call on it a second time here hi this is erin reinberg member of friends of roslyn creek fighting against the over development and destruction of environment in roseland a big proponent of parks and open spaces for all however as people have stated at this meeting we keep coming back to this park this was a conversation two years ago before covid happened i was at that neighborhood meeting as another neighbor here said and we all shared what we wanted this park to be which is an ecological preserve of native species and to their point i agree the city just did not like that answer and here we are again debating what this is going to be because you don't want to listen to the community i'm really getting tired of chopping down heritage trees that's a whole 14 acres of oak preserve full of wildlife and native species that keep getting destroyed time and time again in roslyn also to the point this needs to be a neighborhood park so that more parks can be put in roslyn we are so underserved in parks in this area that it is pitiful and the city should be ashamed of themselves of how they've treated roslyn all these years i would love to see a community park in an appropriate space that does not destroy native habitat and heritage trees however this is not the location for that because that's exactly what this planning will do you are not listening to the needs of this community to have both ecological preservation and other parks to have these facilities that people want to why is it only one spot why are we again deprived of open space and parks and recreations throughout the city where i look at the other quadrants that have two to three to four times as many acreage and parks that we do here again we're being shortchanged and everybody's suffering so why can't we have more than this one option also the eir for this project is pitiful and again the city is trying to shortchange the community more needs to be done to make sure that we preserve our open spaces we preserve our heritage trees we preserve our wildlife we preserve it for students to enjoy i'm an educator and being able to bring a group of students to this park to experience it in its natural state and talk about the ecological well-being is just as important as being able to go to another park to play soccer and basketball and have a barbecue area both need to have a place in roseland and both need to be provided it should not be one or the other thank you for your time thank you we'll go to magdalena followed by janice hi can you hear me yes we can hi my name is magdalena makuola i've lived in roseland for most of my life and i'm 40 years old i have five children three of them are 10 and under and i live fairly close to burbank avenue a little bit too far to be walking all my kids over there um but i would love to go to the park as it's designed i'm really confused by the opposition to this design um and unlike a lot of these people who are on this call i've seen this process for probably at least 10 years maybe maybe 15 and it's always been the same argument i think it's a specious argument and that's that we're destroying habitat um and it could be somewhere else on both points it's totally wrong um the small sliver that would be developed um is actually an opportunity to allow people to see the rest of what is going to be preserved there my understanding is that um the oak woodland is going to be preserved there's going to be nature trails and honestly for at least the last 10 years it's been very consistent people want a real community park we want to be able to go to the bathroom when we're at the park we want to have an interface between recreational uses and natural uses it's been very consistent and there's always been a vocal opposition by people who live close to it and want it to stay the same because there's not people there because it's their own private place it's not a place that i go with my kids to enjoy the nature because it seems really inaccessible and um you know when you when you create a bit of development and let people know you can come here and this is how and here's signs and here's a trail that's how people enjoy it and love it and preserve it this is the largest open space left in the neighborhood and this design has been really consistent for like a decade and it keeps getting delayed because special interests come to these meetings because they know how to access these meetings they know when they are and they come and they act like there's the neighborhood hasn't been listened to and there's outrage and nobody wants this we do want this most people with families in this area want this just as it's designed and we've waited for 10 years there's a ton of nature preserved in this design and it would be foolish to not just move forward already thank you thank you janice followed by melissa janice are you able to unmute all right janice we'll come back to you melissa followed by wsh can you hear me yes we can all right so man a lot of different viewpoints hard decision here i'll just give you mine uh as a teacher in the rosalind district i take my students there already uh i go there every semester i teach them about climate change i teach them about wilderness i teach them about ecosystems um this let's see what else i put um complaints of like kids wanting to go there and that we can't go there i took my kids there christmas december 2020 i take them there all time because i go there we saw two great horned owls i'm confused as to why seeing nature isn't something kids can enjoy that we have to build like a pretend nature area for kids to go to but that's confusing to me and i think it's a disconnect if we want to connect kids to nature and to what we need to protect um i do want the park to be built i know it's been there for a while so that's a hard decision um somebody else mentioned needing two crosswalks i want to point out that we need two crosswalks because we do we need two crosswalks not just one that cross that street on the what is it the west side or whatever um also i'm very confused like why one park needs to meet all the interests of everybody like why are we trying to cram ever but everything in um you know we have a community farm a bear farm like what eight ten minute walk away why are we putting another one we have basketball courts at the schools i know they're not public property but like i don't know um this doesn't make sense and then my biggest uh point is why are we uh watering a lawn when we're in the biggest drought for 40 years and climate change is going to just exacerbate i don't understand why we're putting something in that's going to use more valuable resources when you guys have made like like they all in agreement to focus on climate change and the impacts of that so i'm opposed to the lawn mainly being there and watering it and uh just lights and things that are going to take away from nature i do like bringing people there like interpretive signs i like things that bring people in and teach them about the park and tell them about the trails um i think it's a great resource but i think and i think bear farm is also a really great resource somebody else mentioned but it's not a nature park it's not somewhere you go to find a great horned owl it's not someplace you go to to be immersed in nature and neither is in natural play area so those are my two cents thank you thank you melissa wsh followed by maria can you hear me now yes we can i think you accidentally muted yourself go ahead and hit the unmute button again can you hear me now yes we can go ahead so i have lived in roseland almost 40 years my kids went to school here my granddaughter went to school here um i've lived here long enough that in the early days my my husband could not get a ride home from an event because they would not drive into the rosland neighborhood i've been here long enough to hear the city say yes we're annexing you but we're not going to change anything we don't really want you we just want the tax base and they did tell me that and it seems like that's continuing we need this park but i am leaning on the side of the environmental impact report because i think that what was done was a quick and dirty and doesn't answer the questions um concerning the the specialized species i think that at least we need to get an environmental impact report i agree that this nature piece i'm all for restrooms but it needs to stay mostly nature but i agree with the the signage and the the trails maybe not a paved trail but the turkeys come out every morning come out of that park and come into my yard do i like turkey poop no but do i like watching the turkeys yes i do and to turn that park into another hard escape is just not not what we need i think i do agree that we need a green space where the kids can go and learn to deal with nature the national parks are dealing with this they're trying to reach out to less um substantiated neighborhoods they're trying to get kids into the park so that they can have the open space my house is within walking business distance from three elementary schools where there is hard skate there are play equipment there's plenty of lawn to play soccer if you want to barbecue barbecue at home um i really believe that we need most of this park to remain natural and to protect the natural environment and to be set up for people to go and enjoy the hawks and the turkeys and the tiger salamanders and the titmice and what's there already thank you thank you maria followed by liz hello can you all hear me yes we can oh perfect wonderful thank you so much my name is maria that the land last name is manieri and i want to thank all of you for doing this presentation i didn't know much about the this park and the project and i was invited to zoom and listen and i have been paying attention to every single person that has had the opportunity to say something about it whether it's been you know by professionals by the residents of gross land i'm actually a 30-year resident of southwest area i live on one acre land of course i'm very fortunate that through the um pandemic you know covet uh we have been able to stay home and enjoy more than ever our open space here in our backyard and but i am pro park i listened and i came to this conclusion that you know this this park this project has been looked at from every angle of um like every perspective and i would love to see it um i would love to see it and also preserve you know what's there already um even though i've lived in sinoma county in the brosland i'm close to brosland i go to the mercadito you know um and uh i've also seen families with kids and um i more i teach um sunday school and kids love to go to park and they're they're not enough parks in our communities that we can take you know we can go and hang out so i just want to thank every every person that is involved in every aspect of building building this park you all taught me something and uh you you taught me that if we work together and then we come you know if we meet one another you know halfway um we can make this happen so i just want to thank every one of you for teaching me something very important and at the same time you know the perspective i had about parks and nature and it's so important you know we go out to other communities because we love to see their parks and you know reconnect with nature the redwoods have been closed for quite some time because of the fires so honestly i just want to see happy faces kids are kids and you know and they don't really quite understand you know this grown-up challenges and struggles that you that i can hear from the community and um so thank you so much and just want to say you know let's work together um make this happen and someone said you know we don't have to all agree like i i'm looking at this you know we don't agree in everything but let's just make our community um let's just make our community better thank you so much god bless thank you maria let's go to liz followed by bertha hello can you hear me yes hi my name is liz and i am a rosen resident i'm a mother of two kids and i've been hearing the whole meeting and it's it's tough but i am against the new development um i believe that we should save wildlife and we should you know save our trees and save natural life um if we want parks there's lots of parks here um some are within walking distance um some you can just 10 50 minute drive and um you know barbecues and all that having that across from that school uh i just feel like you know we're if we don't have to look too far we are we look at climate change we look at you know all these wildfires and you know let's not destroy what's left you know keep the wildlife keep the birds keep you know keep all keep all of it let's try to save that for our kids for their future um yes parks are important but i don't believe that's the place and the project itself um i am not i'm not against parks but i just feel like it's not okay to um build this new development and scare away the life the wildlife you know um uh like i said you know i take my kids to the park you know it we there's the bay or park nearby there's the southwest community park within a walking distance too um you um kids are gonna play wherever you can take them to on the weekends to the schools the schools are open you know they have the play structures they have the field um let's just save our our our nature our wildlife right now because that's what we're gonna leave our children and their children and by tearing down you know land or trees or scaring away the wildlife because you're building new structures um they're not gonna be able to see that in the future and we really have to think about them and their future and there's lots of parks if they want to play you can take them you know like i said within walking distance there's different parks that are already you know up and running and um but you know nature and uh wildlife is what our children are gonna look for in the future and their children and so on so let's not destroy it let's keep it and let's protect it thank you liz we'll go to bertha mayor it appears that bertha is using an older version of zoom she would need to update her zoom app and reconnect all right bertha good news is you'll have plenty of time to do that because we still have voicemail public comments and in-person comments let's go ahead and bring it to the chambers we'll do public comment for folks who are in the chambers and then we'll come back see if bertha's been able to update and then go to our voicemail public comments we're gonna start with carl car excuse me carl car carl's still here oh on a different item great thank you uh mr dwitt hello my name is dwayne dwitt i'm from roseland please reject the negative declaration i request an environmental impact report for this neighborhood park and preserve since 1993 a group of residents called roseland action came together to save nature in roseland because there'd been a 30-year vision for roseland creek and a neighborhood park and preserve at the burbank avenue site 17 years ago the city spent a hundred thousand dollars for a roseland creek concept plan with a map published in the 2004 creek dreams booklet page 12 and 13 you can see for yourself then 12 years ago a large community effort completed a map and a master plan in 2010 we advocates for more parks in roseland have been doing creek cleanups and park cleaning for over 20 years we want more parks neighborhood parks now we respectfully request you reject the negative declaration we request an environmental impact report for the project which is actually road building and parking lot construction that staff proposes neighbors and roseland action members request a neighborhood park next to a preserve which has already been secured for over a decade ago by taxpayers paved parking lots are not needed with neighborhood parks the general plan allows neighborhood parks and preserves as proposed in a 2004 colgan creek neighborhood park and preserve plan this can be done development is not needed to do this you don't need these parking lots and this road building you can do the path across from mcminn to burbank without having to pave it roseland creek bikeway and greenway was proposed over 20 years ago along the south side of the creek 1400 burbank avenue was purchased with taxpayers money over 10 years ago to begin that bikeway and greenway project and yet nothing has been done former city council member gary wisaki pointed out to me yesterday that the redwood empire trails council has a machine to make paths and you could already be doing it on that site earlier it was mischaracterized that people in the community are holding something up it has been city staff that has waited over 10 years to do anything there was a plan finished in 2010 and staff did not do anything we members of the community have just said make sure and save what nature is there for the future for the children of our community to be able to have it as good as the people in fountain grove or bennett valley or the northeast nature helps kids asphalt and concrete kills nature please do not do this road building and parking lot construction program thank mr. dwitt is there anybody else in the chamber who'd like to speak on this item okay well good night everyone it's clearly late p.m. my name is anna Diaz i understand a lot of complaints a lot of concerns and a lot of emotion that is brought into this topic being somebody who was born and raised in roseland i see it from both sides however i really want to know if anybody has ever been to shepherd elementary in roseland so shepherd i worked at boys and girls club for about five years and rams shepherd and now roseland prep are all mixed in together and they share one field this is a big and major concern that has been brought i believe it's been brought up before and many parents and children have made this a big issue for them a soccer field is highly recommended and i also wanted to bring up that um as mentioned this is the first year that we have someone who as an actual represent representing us i also believe that southwest santa rosa should be included into district one i was not able to have the opportunity to vote for mr alvarez because my residence lays in district seven many members members of my community community should be able to be included in our local ballot and express their opinions to mr alvarez especially since we happen to be bike distance from the heart of roseland i do not know how else to express this as a desperate need it is not a want and if we need to get a full a room full of members from our community to support this claim it will be done um being part of um boys and girls club of sonoma county the children have made it a concern that they are in need of a skate park as well um i personally prefer a scrape me over kids being caught up right riding against the sidelines with their bikes there is a lot of traffic there is a lot of car and um one of the main things that was highly you know brought up to many of the comments that um was mentioned prior was lights lights are a big concern in um rosen creek as well as a crosswalk and um i want to thank everybody for hearing me speak today thank you thank you i am nancy qsidge and i live right next door to the north end of the park and i've been there for 15 years and my husband's in there for 25 um we've seen the tiger salamander we've seen the turkeys and the and the red tailed hawk and just all kinds of wonderful creatures um there's a park just at the end of the street a huge park that a lot of it's not even being used there's uh empty gravel areas and and stuff the south southward the park down there on herne and the schoolyards uh on third street there's a place to play that has all kinds of soccer fields and baseball field and and and more land that can be developed if you need more fields so i just really hope that you'll preserve the nature there's not too many natural places left anywhere in the county so please um help us preserve our our wildlife thank you all right thank you adam deputy city clerk let's go to voicemail public comments avenue and i just don't understand why you want to make a parking lot in the neighborhood that's been here forever that's probably one of the most um especially on burbank it's very natural setting and i'm representing for nature please don't make the parking lot i don't know what you people have against roseland but you're making a big mistake so that's my comment hello i am a homeowner in the roseland district and i really would because i pay taxes love a roseland creek park that would be wonderful we need more land for us to enjoy and especially because of how run down roseland is we need some good areas that we can actually go to where there isn't homeless or garbage so again i am my homeowner my name is alicia ragona and i want my neighborhood uplisted and part of that would be this roseland creek park for us to have in this area thank you very much hi good afternoon my name is maria chaparro sanchez and i am calling you about the article 15.1 roseland creek i would like to have a park over there because we need to have trees and more uh not too much constructions around the roseland area my phone number is 707 768 mayor i'm going to stop the public comment there that was repeating her personal address and personal contact information item 15.1 roseland creek uh my name is star and i'm calling about having a park in roseland i just feel like having a community park will allow for a safe place for children of all ages and even adults to just come together and just socialize we've been engulfed by technology especially within this last year given that the majority of us were forced to continue our lives through a computer screen you know whether it's been for work or for school therefore i think a park is convenient and having it within our own community will encourage active lifestyles and boost mental health for all we need our children to take a break from technology and to just go outside and take a breath of a share and i feel like a park can can provide this by being a foundation for clean air and roseland given that the park can be surrounded by greenery um and yeah that's basically all i got to say thank you the next listing is for ana she spoke live during the meeting so we will move on to brenda hi my name is brenda i'm calling on agenda number 15 21 i would like to see a crosswalk that connects from the school to that park thank you el artículo es 15.1 y es sobre el parque roseland creek yo deseo que ese parque sea un parque ecológico que lo dejen lo más posible en su naturaleza propia porque ahí hay mucha fauna muchos animalitos y me gustaría que siguiera así como un parque ecológico que solo agregaran pues pocas cosas como en este caso si van a agregar mes mesas o algunas áreas para jugar de los niños verdad pero que se respete la fauna y los árboles de ese parque mi nombre es virginia mi apellido lasso el asetao y yo quiero un parque ecológico en el parque rosland creek gracias one moment while i pull the interpreter over to the main channel to restate that in english charles can you please restate the comment from bahinia the item is 15.1 and it's about the roseland creek park i would like it to be an ecological park and that it keep as much nature as possible because there is a lot of fauna there you know little animals and i'd like to see it stay as it is an ecological park and that maybe you only add a few things in this case maybe some tables or some area play areas for kids but that we continue to respect the fauna and the trees in the park my name is virginia lasso la zo and i would like an ecological park hi this is ozay i'm a lifelong rosland resident and a recent homeowner in december this is regarding item 15.1 rosland creek i just want to point out that we need this park for our community we need it for our neighborhoods we need it for our children um bathrooms playground barbecues picnic tables gazebos all that we want we want we want this to be you know make our neighborhood better and you know just really add value and quality of life to the people who live in the surrounding area um yeah so thank you very much um i'm really looking forward to this park going forward and um utilizing it in the future thank you bye hi my name is elizabeth and i'm here to talk about item 15.1 for the rosland creek um and i'm a rosland resident so the reason i'm calling is because i want to proceed with uh having benches gazebos picnic tables uh barbecue pits i want to be able to have all of that at this park so that way our community is coming together as a family because this family oriented in our community needs that and sometimes you know there's a lot of youngins that go and and you know get distracted and do other things that are not so productive for society but i feel like that if we have this barbecue pit area and we all come together as a family we can use harm reduction and help these um the young ones the adolescents not get into any trouble and they're coming to the park and they're being a part of family activities so i just want to proceed with this thank you so much hello my name is anna reyes i am rosland area resident and owner homeowner i'm calling about item number 15.1 rosland creek um i would love to have a park there um a park with a picnic area play area for our children um just to have more areas for our children to go play and have somewhere to run around it um i think this will bring more families together and have an outlet for our children and mothers with young children as well to be able to go to the park during the day in between nap time so their children that are taller can play on swings and um i think it would be a great asset to our community and um something that we can all um do together and collaborate together and get this done it would be awesome thank you stand gow 322 boy street santa rosa california i um want to comment on 15.1 the rosland creek park i believe that park is underutilized for the youth in the neighborhood and that should be looked at it has continually been hijacked by people that have elite um ideas of what a community park is a community park is to serve everybody and not just a small exclusive group and there needs to be more active play areas through the kids thank you hi my name is ethan helms i'm a member of the rosland community i'm calling regarding item 15.1 uh rosland creek i urge you guys to move forward with preserving space for uh a public park uh public park preserve space for future generations and the public in general not only do we need to think about that but in a constantly developing culture where we are building and removing public spaces it's important to maintain those and increase those um in order to preserve space for our public parks help build and strengthen communities i urge you to move forward with rosland creek thank you mayor that concludes the voice message public comments received on 15.1 all right we have uh janice followed by j l janice is also using an older version of zoom and would need to update her zoom app and reconnect to the meeting in order to make a public comment all right let's see if janice can pull that off let's go to jl hello can you hear me yes we can awesome hello san rosa city council my name is jorge nosencio and i'd like to make public comment today in support of this park i've personally been following the development of this park for many many years and i have seen how it kind of gets kicked down the road because there's always strong opposition for it and as i've been following this park one thing's clear um this park is now a great compromise uh there's a ton of nature space there's a ton of recreational space for our youths uh for our young families for our children for all the schools nearby it and this is a fantastic opportunity uh and by finally turning it into a park it's really going to make it more accessible to um to others you know because i didn't even know about this park um or the neighborhood as it's called until i started looking into it and i noticed that people would walking their dogs would walk into the forest and i was like well what's going on there right and so through looking it up i was like well there's a whole park here that's being uh used that not many people know about it i think it's a shame that not many people know about it and building it up is really going to increase the access to it you know we all know that parks are needed uh particularly here in southwest santa rosa uh and i think part of why people are so argumentative today about this is because there aren't enough parks in santa in southwest santa rosa um and so i say let's build this park let's build this park and let's build some more parks in roseland and southwest santa rosa because we know we need it you know there are kids need it and we know that's about time we built it i saw in the notes and or in the presentation that we've been talking about this park since 2008 and to me that's such a shame because there were kids who were you know maybe little kids in 2008 and they could have used that park when we first started talking about it and here we are 12 years later those kids are now adults maybe they moved on out of the city and they never got to see this park come to fruition so i think it's time that our council makes a strong decision and supports supports this plan and let's get this park built you know we've been fighting for it for a long time um it's never going to make everybody happy but this is a fantastic plan as it stands we need this park and we need more parks uh in roseland and southwest santa rosa so again i'm strongly in favor of it let's not make a let's make the right decision and give this thing built it's been way too long so thank you again city council and uh yield my time thank you whore that's the last public comment that we have so go ahead and close the public hearing bring it back to council madam city attorney many of the comments really centered around the question about an environmental impact report um some claimed that there's california tiger salamanders or that there's other protected wildlife that's there can you weigh in on that question for us uh yes i can briefly weigh in and then i would ask if we have our uh environmental consultant uh online as well uh who could address the issues in more detail but yes there has been a response um uh filed to the uh the issues raised uh from um the dury letter uh this response has been prepared by david j powers and associates um our environmental consultant and uh they do walk through um all of the different uh issues that were raised and do address each of the issues um from our perspective um adequately and substantially but i would turn it over to the consultant uh himself thank you good evening uh mayor rogers and members of the city council uh my name is will burns i'm a principal with david powers and associates been preparing uh sequel reviews for over 18 years um we were supported in our analysis of the initial study in the mitigated negative declaration that's before you by biologists at w r a were experts in identifying uh california tiger salamander and uh their potential habitats um they surveyed the site um and did not identify any adequate habitat to support california tiger salamander um to breed on the site they do uh i acknowledge that um this is considered critical habitat for upland dispersal and that impact is clearly laid out in the initial study and it's also mitigated in accordance with the santa rosa plain conservation strategy and the programmatic biological opinion that was issued by the fish and wildlife service that identifies uh the amount and type of mitigation that's required for those impacts and that is incorporated in the uh mnd for the project and the mitigation monitoring and reporting program um i also have those biologists from w r a present if you want to hear more about uh california tiger salamander but uh in short the potential for them to be present was identified the impact uh is mitigated through the mitigation measures that were included in the mnd all right council are there any other questions on that council member alvarez good good evening uh in regards to the reports that were presented by the uh the public uh in any of those reports were were there mention of the prior structures that could be found on this property and what that actually or how that impacts the the nature and and really i believe part of the the strategy that we're presenting is to remove both the concrete from the property as well as from the creek did you see any mention of that in the reports that were presented if you've had a chance to read them the uh public comment letter um that was provided by lizzo jury didn't acknowledge the fact that these um properties were previously developed um i think there was one that may have only been an orchard in the past but there were single family residential structures on on three of the properties previously and i don't think that was acknowledged great thank you so much uh the other question uh deputy director that i heard quite a bit about was the two crosswalks and i know when we walked to the site and talked a little bit about it crosswalks that was one of the issues that you had brought up with us as well so i'm wondering if you can address that for the council sure thank you very rogers uh we we are planning to put a crosswalk in we're very excited to put this croc crosswalk in originally um our plan had showed the crosswalk um connecting at a place that is in the northern part of the park or a northern part of the school uh because that's the end of the school and it appears as if the crosswalk should go there however with our traffic engineers and further studies of the site is determined that students if they cross further south in the school would only have to cross traffic once so it's a much better and safer route to school um the previous version that shows the crosswalk at the northern part of the school students would cross the street and then cross traffic turning in and out of the driveway for the school so moving the crosswalk to the more southern part it's kind of in the middle of the school allows students to only cross traffic once yes thank you so yeah that's the one that we're talking about right there so originally it came straight off across the upper trail but this time we're swinging it down and crossing it a little further down the school against the students only have to cross a traffic situation once so it's a much safer way for students to travel you'll also see that we have some little ziggy lines along um Burbank Avenue this represents split rail fences so that we can really help guide students to crossing at the crosswalk I heard mention of another crosswalk uh down farther and we have been working with the bicycle and pedestrian folks about um the a separate trail that also comes out a little bit farther down um on the property and how are we going to get across so that's being addressed through a separate process and not necessarily part of the master plan process of course we have a trail available the southern section to connect we also have a crosswalk a little bit farther south uh that you can't see on here uh they can be utilized right now by folks taking the bike path through there so hopefully it gives a little bit of background on the crosswalks and they one more thing the crosswalks are um designated to have uh flashing lights so that cars can see it really quick thank you deputy director let's see if there are any other questions from council members adam vice mayor thank you mayor um how many trees um are proposed to be cut down in total thank you vice mayor rogers so um one of the early looks at all the trail systems in there identified numerous trees that were to be removed to place the trail in but uh staff worked really hard with our environmental consultants and our designers and we are looking at the potential to impact four trees and so whether or not they were moved or just simply impacted by routes they're required to be shown as um a take from the park site these are smaller much smaller trees that will allow the pedestrian bridges to come in and the trail to connect up to mcminn so a total of four trees will be impacted uh and designated as being removed thank you um and i have an additional question uh what percentage of the park is being converted into uh hardscape road building or parking lots that is not already a previous uh previously developed land thank you vice mayor and um most of the developments that were showing like playgrounds nature center et cetera is already on existing developed and disturbed land it's the trail spaces that we'd be looking at where you know depending on how you want to look at it there's a lot of foot trails already in this in this area that we're proposing to uh provide a stable surface in the future for those those trails it's a very tiny amount uh i don't have the exact square footage but um it's it's much less than a quarter of an acre overall through the conservation easement with the agon open space district we are allowed to disturb um i have it down here approximately half an acre on the bottom which is the parking lot and things like that which we are also looking at a permeable surface there so um we wouldn't need to show the parking lot as um taking part of that 20 percent so it's a very small amount um overall if you look at some of the trails we just need to make sure that the loop trails around the park are compliant with uh current building codes for stabilization and the rest of it can be permeable and so it's it's down to around about a quarter of an acre it's really tiny amount that's probably over an exaggeration okay is there a way that um or have we attempted to uh educate uh or inform the the public of the existing uh development that was on the property and that um it is not the intent to to disturb natural spaces that some of this land was not natural spaces but that it was in fact uh housing development because when i went out there what i seen was concrete slabs and um land that was previously uh disturbed it was not natural um so there seems to be a a disconnect or a way that we could like show it on the map about what's already um disturbed right and to and to answer your first question um absolutely the information about the areas that were already disturbed um has presented almost every single meeting ad nauseam um showing that we have a lot of disturbed areas already um some of them will be restored um and then we'll be putting in trails so it's this is really a win for reducing the amount of paving on site overall um i'm not sure if we want to move back to the early presentation um and look at the map that shows the existing site as is i think um i won't ask you to go okay i won't ask you to go back to the map i just from from hearing the public comment and i i feel like i really was listening i felt like we were going into something that was complete trees and natural landscape and and going in and like bulldozing something that was completely natural um and so that just seems not to be the case because i visually saw what was there um and so i just wanted to make sure that i was clear on where the parking parking lot was and where the the structures were that uh the plan to put in that they were where these things were already in place yes that is correct so where we have um parking watch major center playgrounds and other larger improvements we already have um a significant amount of impacts or um impacts to the to the land from the previous private ownership okay thank you any other questions council council member alvarez thank you jen again thank you for for everything that that you've been doing for for roseland in regards to the parks um in regards to to to vice mayor's comments about the land that's already been disturbed could you share with us the state of the creek what is currently there how it's being used by the neighbors uh the leech lines and if you can explain what a leech line in a leech pit is sure i appreciate it so the the creek is fairly heavily disturbed um if you do go there there's concrete uh in the base there's um all sorts of development implement implements thrown into the creek fencing falling into the creek um different different things from different owners over the years and different uses mostly um farm farm equipment and things like that in the creek uh do have people camping in the creek as well um the property in the middle has a septic tanks as well as leech lines um so those are places where an existing sewer would be drawn out so um kind of in the middle of the property behind the big tree there's a huge space more towards your right um yes that is a area where sewer lines are jumping into tanks and leech lines as well we believe uh from the private residences so this this residence there was two residences as well as numerous outbuildings and trailers utilizing septic services there's also septic tanks near the front of the property as well hopefully that gives that gives a background for that that part we also a little bit of septic tanks down here on southern and of the parcel at 1400 um near that tree there's a residence really hard to see but there is a house there and um septic tanks to support the sewer system at that site as well now one of the comments the plan is to remove this i'm sorry just to have interrupted you jen in regards to one of the comments that we heard was the lawn now the lawn was implemented when before we actually had a drought i wanted to make that clear now moving forward is there is there sufficient funds for us to actually implement the the the lawn within a year to two years not at this time so we're we're looking at development of the southern parcel as into the future so right now we have a requirement from the agate open space district to connect a pedestrian trail from macman avenue to the rosin gregale metro and again that'll be at the top of the property so to speak um in the open space area we do have funds available to complete that project however we don't have funds available yet for the remainder of the of the parcel as well as the lawn we definitely want to make sure that we have access into the park from pedestrians that is safe and co compliant into that area before we install any sort of sort of lawn so we're always looking for granting opportunities and other opportunities to um make sure we have enough funds for that and we're always we're all of a sudden just really building a lot so we're always looking for opportunities to collect additional funds to do that but it is a long way off so in this case it's funds and water right yeah yes yes now one of the comments that i believe it was um mr no sensual was that not everyone will get what they want and one of the comments that we heard from another caller was um a dog park we heard other caller saying family-orientated barbecues and and from and this is sharing my experiences in these meetings is that it's true not everyone will get what they want and one of the things that i've been hearing is that we invite students to the property to experience nature and it's hard to appreciate a hop when you've never seen a hop it's it's hard to appreciate what mother nature looks like when you've never been in mother nature and what i want to see are are these deer paths that direct traffic when the children do go out there and play so they're not stopping outside of the the the pathways the deer tracks what i call deer tracks or deer paths uh so it can be preserved and one of the things that i'm very proud of of the college that have have have weighed in today is that they want to see our nature protected that they want to see our natural resources respected and i definitely feel it's important for us to educate our children on why it's important to to preserve but in order to do so it can be from a looking glass in and i think that was something that was that was missing in the messages produced today with that being said um oh lights we heard a lot about lights in the park and and could you share with us if you recall why is it that the eastern part of the park was not lit up such as the western part of the park sure thank thank you council member so um in the in the plan we're looking at um more activities in the southern part of the parcel of the park parcel so traditionally we'll add a security light nearby so that police can see the park at night but otherwise you don't usually put in um a lot of lighting and because the northern part of the parcel um i guess i know you're saying eastern but you know the northeast and west part of the park is um we're not looking at as many amenities um we certainly don't need to have um lighting in those areas we also have street lighting along McMinn Avenue um for that and we're looking at this park being very similar to our other parks where we are it's accessible to the community sunrise to sunset so again yeah in the southern area we're looking at potential security lighting um near the playground and the parking lot and as well as um against the nature center when that's developed but otherwise it's it's um it's going to be dark except for the um surrounding uh street lights etc you know i just told the mayor that i had one question but i came up with like two more and in regards to the sidewalks that that go along Burbank Avenue why is it that we do not have sidewalks there and and how will this park improve the access for the children who have to walk up and down Burbank Avenue thank you council member and if we can see the plan again i can kind of show you what we what we were thinking there so uh originally we had shown sidewalks and a planter strip with trees etc all along the park along Burbank Avenue and as part of the annexation process as well as the sabastopol area rose that specific plan uh comments were made that this this community would prefer not to have sidewalks like that because it would remove a tremendous amount of trees in order to fit that in there and it's a much safer route uh along Burbank to funnel the paved surface you know the the sidewalk so to speak on the interior so if you start on the southern part you're looking at that uh multi-use trail it crosses the creek and then it turns back out and goes back towards Burbank Avenue and then up out towards the edge of Burbank so that's the planned pedestrian access again it's a safer way to access it and we don't have to remove a bunch of trees along Burbank Avenue which was um you know none of us really want to do that in this community and so um we're providing an equal access here and actually a much safer access up there and um as part of this uh park when we do go to construct any portion of the um sidewalk halfway whatever you want to call it that's just interior of Burbank Avenue we will be required to connect it all the way to the most northern crosswalk which is not shown on here and the most southern crosswalk which again it's not necessarily part of the master plan but as part of the future construction that's what will be happening there so it's going to be safer than it is now in addition to the um flushing light crosswalk that will be will be coming so hopefully that gives gives you uh an answer to that it does in regards to to implementing a sidewalk should this project not move forward what what recourse does the community have to to allow as San Rosa's continues to grow as Roseland continues to grow especially with all the new development that we've seen on the northern side of Sebastopol Road what recourse does the community have to to implement a sidewalk on Burbank Avenue if if the community changes its mind like the other master plans we showed master plans can be amended because as much as we would like to build this right now as planned um we often don't have the funding to completely build everything else so in the future if this community would rather prefer um sidewalks we we can look at that in the future and amend the master plan at that time but right now this is the preference and it's it's definitely a safe a safer route than uh right along Burbank Avenue thank you and my last question I promise in regards to the pavement that we see in the parking I understand that in the pathway that connects McMint to Burbank it's it's advisable to place some of that smooth for both ADA as well as those uh people that are walking so they don't trip especially when we do have a small amount of rain that would create muddy situations but in the parking lot I understand for ADA it must be a hard concrete such as for our barbecue pit but is it possible into to implement gravel to lessen the amount of of ground cover or is permeable concrete the best solution for for these uh two parking sites and thank you again Jen sure thank you councilmember absolutely we have discussed the option of putting in gravel because we're really just looking at vehicles traveling in those spaces um except for the part where we are combining the fire truck turnaround with a potential future sport court we want to look at a uh permeable concrete in that area or something similar that's a little more stable for fire trucks to turn around as well as providing um when you're walking on the surface um gravel is not that stable but um when you're driving on it gravel is a perfectly appropriate and acceptable material and it's wonderful because it'll last for a lot of permeability so we're we're definitely looking at that although you know this plan doesn't get into that detail um when we get to that point we can reach back out to the community but gravel would be a really great space for that except for when we have the um ADA spaces those will need to be paved but everything else can be can be gravel and and if I could just add in councilmember um it's the ADA space and the path of travel to the amenity so those would all have to be durable surfaces consistent with the California building code thank you are there any other questions from council all right councilmember alvarez this is your item so if you could please introduce a motion uh for discussion I guess I wasn't done was I resolution of the council of the city of santa rosa adopting the mitigated negative declaration including the mitigation monitoring and reporting program for the rosin creek community park master plan and adopting the rosin creek community park master plan for rosin creek community park and I waive the the further reading of the text second I've got a motion from councilmember alvarez a second from councilmember fleming let's go ahead and do comments now and I do believe that there's two different uh resolutions that'll need to be introduced so uh do any council members want to make comment on the motions councilmember soyer thank you mayor are you looking for a comment on the most recent on on councilmember alvarez's motion let's do global comments if you've got comments on the project uh please provide for now that's that's what I would prefer actually and I thank you for that and you know I just I will try to be brief um it has been since the rosin annexation that I've seen so much community output input from for a project and this has been going on for 10 years um the annexation went on quite some time longer but this has been a a real um uh impressive community outreach I've visited the site I've met with staff I've met with the the community um it's not of course not everyone but but neighbors and members of the board of community services and for me um this is about striking a balance and it's never perfect striking a balance is a perfect balance is very very difficult to achieve um we heard from Stephanie Maniotti um who I think said a mouthful during her her comments about the um uh what she saw as the needs of the of the community when balanced with the ability of the city to provide a park for this particular area so I think that this this plan does strike a balance between the um open space and the more the passive and the more um uh program space so I'm very much in favor of the plan as as it sits and keep in mind I think the the entire community in the city needs to keep in mind that I don't believe there's a single park now I've lived her all my life and I don't think there's a single park in this city that has not had a change in it from its inception to its to to its present day state and without exception I think they have all changed with um with the needs of the community with the needs of the neighborhood um and so this this will also this park will also change over time and I think it will change as as the neighbors and as the community requests so I am very much in favor of this plan and I will be voting in favor of it thank you thank you council member uh and I apologize I misspoke I said there were two resolutions there's one resolution that covers both of the actions uh that staff is recommending council member swiddle thank you mr mayor and I don't want to reiterate everything uh mr story just said um but for the several years I've been engaged in this project it's been mainly listening whether it be at the community meetings um listening to different neighbors the cbi folks um and unfortunately and I really do appreciate the number of people who have been engaged in this process and I really want to thank council member alvarez your engagement in this you really are modeling this is what a council member looks like in your district so thank you for all your efforts but again I I'm hearing more and more and I really want to thank uh Jen Santos and Jason nutt uh walking the property because quite frankly my experiences and walking the entire property for the several hours we're out there are not consistent with some of the comments that I heard today um so doing all that listening what's in the best interest and mr sir used the word I was going to use as balance it's all about balance and on slide 23 today one of the comments that was uh the last one I think was this area needs an active park a natural space a park that meets both that meets both needs nature and community I think is spot on so I'm very supportive of this project and we do need to move forward on this and this is what progress looks like so thank you for this and I'll be supporting this motion council member Fleming yes thank you mayor thank you staff and everybody who participated in this to my mind this is an excellent example of how justice works social and racial equity and justice works in action and how it sounds like the council is going to be supporting this and how we have the ability to to get out there thanks very much to staff and mr alvarez's work to get out there to find the voices that don't find themselves in these meetings and in these chambers and elevate them in a way that that meets the community's most basic needs and and does so in a way that's respectful of multiple perspectives but maintains that um that the future residents and the needs of of our lower income families who will be moving into this area are um cannot be dismissed and that we we shed it we what I'm trying to say is that it's really challenging to get done what got done today and I'm incredibly impressed and and proud of what we're about to do and I will be supporting this well I appreciate the comments from from my colleagues uh this has been in the works for over 10 years and if you listen to the public comment tonight I think there was about two hours of public comment I think it's very apparent that it could be another 10 years and we still wouldn't reach an agreement that fit for everybody I think that this plan is a really good approach I I want to commend councilmember alvarez for all of the work that you've done to listen to try to strike that balance to find that compromise within our community that meets the needs not just of the folks who live right up against the park and would prefer for it to stay there their sanctuary their tranquility but also the needs of the community as it grows and in particular for our youth I really appreciate the work that you've done and I think that this is how districts is supposed to work I'll be very proud to vote in favor of this tonight I uh I'm doing it at the recommendation of the councilmember who represents the district who listens to all of the voices and has found a way to move forward as well as listening to public input for the last couple of years as well councilmember do you have any final thoughts I'm proud of rosalind for recognizing that they have power in their voice and when they speak up they are heard and thank you for hearing them thank you without madame clerk can you please call the vote yes thank you mayor councilmember tidbits hi councilmember schwedhelm hi councilmember soyer hi councilmember phleming yes councilmember alvarez hi vice mayor rogers hi mayor rogers hi that motion passes with seven eyes all right thank you so much council we are going to take a dinner break so we will come back at 840 so in a half hour at 840 for our final item all right madame city clerk let's call the roll and resume our meeting okay councilmember tidbits councilmember schwedhelm here councilmember soyer here councilmember phleming councilmember alvarez present vice mayor rogers president mayor rogers here councilmember tidbits have you joined us councilmember phleming have you joined us okay let the record show that all council members are present with the exception of council members phleming and councilmember tidbits all right mr city manager let's do 14.1 mayor rogers and members of the city council item 14.1 is a report item on the annual report of the community wildfire protection plan a wildfire annex to the local hazard mitigation plan paul loanthal our assistant fire marshal will be presenting the staff report on this item you need mayor rogers vice mayor rogers members of the council paul loanthal assistant fire marshal with the fire department are here to present our first annual community wildfire protection plan the first report following its adoption by council last year so diving right in next slide please so for the council members that were not part of that process the community wildfire protection plan is a five year plan that focuses on essentially protecting our city and our community from the effects of wildfires in the future it serves as a roadmap again for five years there were some basic requirements that came with the plan that come from the healthy forest restoration act and it includes it being a collaborative process prioritizes fuel reductions and also outlines treatment strategies to help eliminate what we refer to structural ignitability so protecting homes we've taken that plan much further beyond those basic requirements next slide and so that's shown here in kind of how the history of how it developed so this was funded by a grant back in 2018 through the hazard mitigation grant program I will note this is one of the as you heard me talk about it one of our last council meetings one of the only grants that we actually were successful in related to vegetation management that grant funded the development of this program the development process was initiated in April of 2019 we did experience kind of some delays in the implementation or finalization of the plan based on the pandemic and the impacts that had on our ability to engage with the community we were able to strategize do a lot of virtual as well as additional follow-up with the community but we were able to get those community meetings in the vast majority of our outreach prior to the pandemic hitting the final plan was brought to council in august 25th of 2020 and again a five-year plan and during that process the fire department committed to provide an annual report which is what we're doing here it was also interesting in kind of eerie in a sense that if you remember we talked about during that that report item that identified the greatest threat to the city was to the northeast of santa rosa in between the unburned area between the tubs the nuns fire and shortly thereafter the approval of the plan and us trying to get started on it occurred the glass fire so this plan was funded by council on April 27th of this year where council allocated five and a quarter million dollars to kick start the the five-year plan so roughly about five million dollars a year over the course of five years with two hundred fifty thousand dollars for the end of it to re-establish a new plan to carry us into the future and again the funds allowed us to implement the vegetation management program next slide so the plan itself identified essentially nine objectives and with those nine objectives came 46 actionable items we didn't wait until we received that five and a quarter million dollars as soon as we got the the plan approved we got to work immediately the funds obviously did help but there were certain things that were able to absorb with existing staff between the time it was implemented and april so over the course of the last year we'll go through some of the improvements and processes that we've taken to again move forward with the community wildfire protection plan next slide so the first of those nine objectives was improved coordination and tracking so that objective identified four different actionable items the first of which was developing a GIS database to track the vegetation management activity this was a really key step for us it was a big step we're able to utilize our internal GIS staff to basically build a database that can track and manage the work that we do as a city the work that we do in part cooperation with our cooperating partners as well as work that's being done by various homeowners associations on large scale this will also help us forecasting the needs around the city another objective or action item was asking us to continue to coordinate with property owners on open space issues so that is something we've been very engaged with working with a lot of whether it's the osma the open space management association and found grove hoa is in benet valley oakmont we're doing a lot of coordination and a lot of assistance with their residents and their hoa reps and we're providing support to property owners again open space associations a homeowner association so making a lot of good progress in that category next slide so this is an example of what the the back end of the mapping system looks like so this is a treatment that we actually did in howard park earlier this season we were able to actually put in a break behind the homes along solovan ridge in howard park and we physically go into the site database track it enter the information regarding it and so that way we can start forecasting what our needs are around the city so we know where the work was done what year it was done who did the work so that ultimately we can make sure that we're tracking where our needs are into the future next slide so the next objective was to improve our evacuation routes and that came with six different actionable items so one of the big things that we've been working on right now is a grant opportunity originally started as a grant opportunity with cal fire and it is now shifting to a potential project that we may be able to fund with what we refer to as cal fires local units that's the sonoma lake napa unit cal fire as you've seen has allocated millions and millions of dollars around the state they are very interested and have been working with us on a project that is specifically designed to prevent the spread of fire into our community from the north and so this project that we're working on is going to be essentially designed to remove a lot of the dead and down fuels in the tubs burn scar on the north end of the city in the fountain grove area as well as into the county so this will extend to the road networks in that area and again it's to reduce a lot of the effects that we've seen from a lot of the regrowth and evasive species that have popped up in fountain grove that I know the fire department myself and a number of council members have seen a lot of the complaints about we are working to mitigate that but it's also part of our evacuation route strategy we also submitted for a hazard mitigation plan that has made it through calis and it's at fema right now that is going to be a 2.1 million dollar grant application we will be responsible with 25 cost share of that through this grant program and again this is designed for reducing fuels along multiple evacuation routes in and around our wildland urban interface on private and public properties so we will hopefully be awarded this grant and be able to work with homeowners along multiple evacuation routes and feeder streets to again reduce fuels along road systems next route next slide so these are examples of some of the roads so here the bottom right hand corner you see cross creek this is the city side of cross creek road we're able to work with our streets staff to do a lot of really good work on the county side of cross creek road but this is an example of the private side where home owners and property owners need assistance and in a number of cases in dealing with some of the again the long term effects of our burn scars and then we have other areas that can just benefit from general maintenance like we see in the top left screen which is up in the Los Alivos Montecito areas where we've been actively engaged with our community and very aware of the concerns up there and have added this and those streets to this grant application next slide educating the public was number three and that had came with a lot of actionable items so we have been working very hard with adria merton's communication team on fulfilling a lot of the action items that come out of this objective so we've been working to increase our education there was a lot of feedback from the community during the surveys of the development of the plan requesting and almost demanding additional outreach and education so it's been kind of a fine line walking back and forth between physically doing things in the in the field that people actually see and a lot of the behind the works behind the scene work that's going on that's actually reaching and helping educate people all across our community but it may not be as visible and obvious to people one of the two big things that we've done is redesign our wildfire ready and our ready santa rosa page that you'll see but that's been a huge part of our education component and we've created a lot of new handouts that have been relevant to our current topics evacuation routes evacuation checklists a lot of the materials that you're seeing have been improved and enhanced as part of the overall strategies related to community wildfire protection plan educating the public and helping again move a lot of those things forward we've also been focusing as outlined in the plan the need to educate and communicate and work with our vulnerable populations and as well as dealing with needs associated with pets and animals in our community so this includes our emergency management staff so neil bregman britney miller again adria merton's team as well as our community outreach specialists all engaged at all different levels dealing with educating the public as we work through the various actionable items and another important note is our wildfire ready community meetings that we worked on with community engagement so that was an exciting series that we held as again another component of doing what we can to make sure that we're working through the needs associated with the plan next slide so this is the website this is the wildfire ready website you see this link on a lot of the outreach information that we've been providing to residents whether it's in our city connections newsletter whether it's on various social media posts that we've been hitting hard over the last several years regarding fire weather watches red flag warnings different fire type messaging are pushing everybody to wildfire ready and ready sr and one thing to note is that with the new and improved landing pages a lot of the topics that come out of the needs associated with the plan have been included in the city connections on a weekly basis and over the last several months it's actually interesting to note that the city connections wildfire ready articles have consistently been the top one and two most clicked links where people are actually physically clicking to expand it and go to the website move around read all the information that we're getting of all the different articles so it shows that with you know about 90 000 subscribers that are part of city connection that education was truly a big component and the community continues to eagerly utilize the information we're giving them and make the improvements that we're asking next slide and then we have the ready sr so the wildfire ready again that page on the last website was our landing page for everything from our wildland of interface community wildfire protection plan what the city's doing information about fire weather watches and warnings our property owner resource library all the different components that we are engaged with for our vegetation management program being wildfire ready is covered on that and under ready sr is all our information now under regarding evacuation zones checklist alerts preparedness tips neighborhood travel outs rival travel routes so again this was feedback that we were provided by the consultant team that saw a real need to centralize these two critical topics and they have definitely served their purpose and will continue to serve their purpose for the foreseeable future next slide and again continuing with the educated the public so we have had the opportunity with some of the changes in the restrictions with covid protocols a lot of our outreach was limited to zoom but with some of our more vulnerable populations that was in some cases a challenge so this was an opportunity we were able to engage this particular case was in oakmont which was our first opportunity to actually engage with that community in person social distance and following all of our protocols and really good to be able to get in touch with them and actually deal with a lot of the critical issues that they're faced with right now with vegetation management again defensible space being wildfire ready emergency alerts helping assisting them with their no weather radio so there's a lot of things that were going on at this event that we had not been able to and we're fortunate to get this accomplished this season next slide um and then uh going back to the efforts that went into actually kicking off fire season so if you remember this year we declared fire season on the 17th of May it was the earliest that we have actually declared it locally uh the local declaration was because of some of the changes at a state level where cal fire no longer declares so chief westrop uh facilitated that declaration for us but it also um played into again a lot of the the needs identified in the plan that were carried out by our department working with the comms team that included a pretty comprehensive outreach strategy that kick started officially on on may 10th so there was a lot of work that was outlined as like you see here that included mailers news releases nixels the city connection kickoffs the radio PSA so again using the plan as our toolbox to really do a lot of good work for the community next slide improve wildfire preparedness so this category came with five actionable items one of which was working to increase the number of citizens actively engaged in cope so cope is a fantastic organization a number of you are very well aware it was a program that initiated here in santa rosa with a partnership with oakmont that has spread all across the county after the 2017 fires and we are actively continuing to work on providing opportunities encouraging communities or neighborhoods throughout our community to engage at all different levels any efforts that we've been able to help with our beneficial because any level of being organized is ultimately a step in the right direction and again we're committed to doing what we can to foster that around the city another item was to continue to foster our relationship with listos and coad one key notable thing that we included in the no-weather radios that we handed out was also making sure that we had plenty of supply of spanish no-weather radios and that we were working with those that were in need as well as a lot of our non-profit organizations that helped us carry out that mission in collaboration with the city and we were also working again to develop a program to address evacuation of vulnerable populations so i regularly attend oakmont's home association meetings helping answer questions dealing with evacuation issues as well as supporting where we can their map your neighborhood their coat programs and then another notable thing that we've done is actually work to help implement an evacuation plan and program for spring lake villages so we work very closely with that community they have an evacuation plan in place that we have exercised with them physically exercised it where they evacuate a residence to our temporary evacuation point on west third street so it really shows that we truly are engaged with our community at all different levels physically doing stuff as well as educating next slide next objective came with six actionable items regarding structural harding so one of the things that we have done already is with new homes that are permitted that go through their permitting process and are built after january first 2021 are now required to have between three and five feet of that non-combustible space around their home so basically hard escaping around home what we saw in the tubs fire and again in the glass fire was what ember cas did to a lot of our existing structures in our community that are primarily built prior to current code standards but regardless even homes that are built to current two current standards are still susceptible so we now require three feet of non-combustible space around homes for homes that are equipped with residential interior fire sprinklers and five feet for structures that are not equipped with interior fire sprinklers and that's there because there are some exemptions for accessory structures but it allows us to capture all of it we now have fire inspector assigned to conduct volunteer home assessments that assist with home hardening that inspector has been very busy we're in the process of actually recruiting two limited term fire inspectors that will be funded through our vegetation management funds that have been allocated to the department to assist with a lot of the evolving needs that are coming with the vegetation management program we've also submitted for another grant that was submitted at the same time as the last one I previously spoke of for evacuation routes and this one is specific to wildland urban interface fuel modification program which is actually for defensible space as well as home hardening that home hardening retrofit will be for the two most common needs that we've seen in our community and that's for vent screens and gutter guards we saw again a lot of spread in the glass fire specific to fires that were able to establish themselves either through vents or more notably in gutter guards I believe council heard in one of our previous presentations that myself Chief Westrope and a lot of other staff were actually physically in Oakmont able to see the effects of unprotected gutters and having to actually physically put out gutter fire after gutter fires so hopefully this program if awarded will be able to help offset a lot of those costs and again this one comes with a 25 cost share so that will play into roughly it's actually close to probably one and a quarter million dollars in cost share that we will be utilizing out of our PG&E settlement funds to cover the cost share of these federal grants next slide tree vegetation to reduce hazards this came with six actionable items so staff we have allocated now are working allocate a million dollars out of the five and a quarter million we're working right now to put a scope of work together to actually hire a contractor we will be using a million dollars of the money to actually do fuel reduction work on private properties along roadways so that is our focus right now is doing work that protects residents and protects our community so this will be an exciting opportunity for us where regardless of how long it may take to potentially move through some of those federal grants that in some cases can take up to a couple years this will allow us to at the same time work to actually physically do a lot of the work that we know needs to be done we just haven't been able to physically do it yet but it's very it's an exciting opportunity for us and look forward to actually physically doing work where people can see it and in addition to a lot of the work that we're doing behind the scenes we've also been last year end of last year and again this year is utilizing some of our leftover weed abatement funds to do fuel treatment projects so we have a hundred fifty thousand dollar weed abatement annual budget that we use sac supervised adult crews to do our weed abatement work for city certain city properties as well as our abatement properties through our weed abatement program the benefit of us using sac as they are a lot cheaper than we utilize with contractors in the past and with our leftover money we've been able to do special projects so we've done like you saw earlier treatment in howard park and we've done treatment this season in skyhawk open space we're continuing to work with the homeowner associations on the treatments that were identified in the plan and helping them implement the plan within their own treatment areas what that means is the plan actually helped identify what work should be done in different homeowners associations throughout our community so it helped them lay out the framework for what we need them to do and we're committed to helping them with that process another thing we did if you remember earlier this year is we established a burn pile ordinance that allows us to help offset some of the costs associated with reducing hazardous fuels in our large open undeveloped areas where it is almost cost prohibitive to conduct the fuel removal so this allows that work to take place which benefits our entire community next slide so here's a couple examples this is what the lower skyhawk open space looks like so if you're taking mountainhawk drive off of highway 12 heading into skyhawk on the right side is the open space that you typically can't see through this is what the backside of that looks like where it's up against the home so we had our contractor go in and physically do work that provides a significant level of protection between the open space and the the rear of the structures next slide and then this is work that was done in howard park go to next slide and this is now what it looks like on the back side of solovan ridge in between solovan ridge and solovan road in howard park so again another opportunity for us to utilize funds to implement our plan using creative mechanisms next slide improved enforcement of defensible space standards this another action item sorry objective came with seven different action items so we are working to establish a new comprehensive vegetation management ordinance that will bring all the different vegetation management type ordinances whether it's pile burning the needs to address that a lot of the dead and down trees all that is going to live under one future ordinance where it'll be comprehensive all of our needs throughout our wildland urban interface in our city specific to vegetation management so that will help clean our processes up streamline our needs and make things enforceable and again benefit our entire community we will have an inspection program we've already started phase one which is our education and voluntary assessments but ultimately our goal is actually to have an enforcement program in place that will involve inspections and enforcement again to help make our community better prepared for wildfires and in a better position to protect our assets and values our housing stock our businesses again the goal of the the program um is is really to to help mitigate what we've now been through in the tubs the nuns and the class fire uh next slide uh there was a required need to increase staffing to address um the needs associated with the plan uh there was a lot of feedback related to this um it was interesting to see that 74 uh supported that need with that uh we have assigned uh assistant fire marshal myself to now manage the implementation of the community wildfire protection plan and the development of our vegetation management program and again we are also working to recruit two limited term uh two-year fire inspectors to support the program um and again that will be funded through uh the PGD funds that were allocated next slide and there was a a request to consider expanding the wildland urban interface uh and there was two items that were identified in this one so uh based on uh community feedback uh we did look at the existing wildland urban interface area uh which I will show you on the next slide for those that are not familiar with it um after doing uh an evaluation of it uh and speaking uh with our consultant and other staff members we currently have made a determination to not uh expand it one of the most notable areas that was originally requested was coffee park uh we had a lot of feedback to to move the wildland interface into that direction uh it did not meet the definition of uh what the intention of the wildland of interface designation was there for and it's also important to understand some of the unintended consequences with that we are and continue to hear uh from a lot of our community members regarding insurance issues and living within that designated zone so we want to make sure that the zone that we have uh meets its intended use and that we're helping uh mitigate the risks uh in those areas uh for our for our community next slide and this is our wildland interface so uh top left uh is our fountain groves extending all the way down to the flamingo hotel at that kind of southern point uh to the bottom right uh is basically montgomery drive on the north side uh all the way on the anadol state park side of summer field road all the way down to the edge of the city uh we refer to this the top right one is kind of our rink and valley skyhawk uh which carries from calla stoga road kind of wraps around the the safeway shopping center area uh but carries all the way out along highway 12 uh up to los alamos road um and then we have the piece that goes from alita road and highway 12 and carries on the uh anadol state park of oakmont drive and oakmont and then the little piece off to the top right uh is uh the county complex um or the upper portion of the county complex that's currently undeveloped is actually technically in our wildland interface next slide so that uh was a quick down and dirty um uh through the nine objectives and action items that are underway we have taken action on 36 of the 46 actionable items and we've actually completed seven of them already um so in addition to continuing to work on the remainder of the actionable items identified in the plan uh kind of some of our key uh priorities uh and things that we want to share with you tonight to kind of wrap this up um is that one of the things we want to do is kind of is essentially form a working group that's going to help coordinate some of our conflicting requirements uh at a local level that help deal with everything from the future uh developments of our vegetation management management ordinance tree ordinance water uh use efficiency landscape ordinance and any other local regulations so that we can all make sure that what we're going to be doing and working on uh will be again in the best interest of our community and making sure that all of our departments are coordinating uh so that it's a smooth operation for community we will be investigating the use of herbicides uh to treat invasive species this came up a couple times in our plan with our community and we've actually had conversations with both caltrans as well as calfires the reason we're putting this on the radar is what we are seeing and i know we've talked about it a little bit before is specifically in fountain grove where a vast majority of our canopies which were originally pre-2017 oak and grass woodlands died off were killed off based on uh proximity to structures the way some of those canyons burned and with the loss of the canopies areas that never really saw the day of light are now seeing it and with that we have an explosive growth of evasive species that includes scotch broom french broom as well as bay the rates at which these are growing in some cases is actually making the backside of fountain grove as well as the mark west quarter worse today than it was in 2017 and we need to come up with a strategy that helps uh uh limit its spread and reducing uh it is best we can so that is something that we will be looking at uh we will be seeking additional grant opportunities and fundings for not only the next four years uh with what we have remaining but beyond that the vegetation management program isn't going to be going anywhere there's clearly a need for it um and so we will be continuing to seek grant over grant opportunities to continue to carry the programs into the future and like we talked about earlier we will be shifting to visible projects a lot of the work and that we've done over last year is not as visible and noticeable to our community we continue to get a significant number of inquiries complaints concerns uh so we will be uh this year uh you're too doing a lot of physical projects in the community where people will actually be able to see them we also want to make mention that we are actually exploring a partnership and this is a unique opportunity for us to potentially become an umbrella organization for fire safe sonoma fire safe sonoma used to live under sonoma county fire emergency services when that organization still existed it has kind of been on its own it is made up of uh both fire and public type leaders from throughout the county and is serving as kind of a lead fire safe council for organizations across the county but one thing that we are seeing and we continue to see is kind of a lack of coordination and competing projects so uh the city was approached by fire safe sonoma to potentially explore a partnership where that organization could live underneath our organization as an umbrella organization but it would not be santa rosa taking over the program it would be us essentially giving it a home this is a unique opportunity an exciting opportunity because it could actually greatly improve our ability to secure funds if there's a project we want to do in the city we would be allowing fire safe sonoma to then reach out to the other organizations and jurisdictions across the county and we could then seek larger scale projects which are stand a better chance of being awarded through whether it's brick funding or other opportunities where these are exactly the type of opportunities and funded and projects they want to see funded so this is something that we are currently exploring and hope to continue to potentially have actually come into fruition and then last but not least and I save this one for councilmember tidbits we are legitimately exploring a partnership with the santa rosa junior college and that does include both work with their ag as well as a newly developed vegetation management type program that they want to actually offer so from the vegetation management side we would potentially help with some of the coursework and then on the ag side we are exploring the opportunity for us to actually become a partner with a herd so I know I heard a lot about that and there's been a lot of feedback and a lot of requests for grazing our community so this is definitely a potentially another unique opportunity for our department and next slide that is it and I try to get through that as quick as I could knowing you guys had a long afternoon so I am here chief westrope and fire marshal moon are here if need to be they can be promoted to help answer any questions but happy to answer anything that you have great thank you so much paul we really appreciate it and it's it's a lot of work and it's incredibly important for the for the community so I appreciate what you're doing I did have a question first and foremost for chief chief westrope can we get the chief promoted I'm getting him promoted now good evening everyone evening chief my question for you is going to be a consistent one and I've asked it in the past and I'll continue to ask it as we get further into the vegetation management program are we finding that we have enough funding allocated to achieve its purposes or particularly in a couple of weeks we have the next round of conversation around the PG and the settlement funds and and arpa as we know more hearing more about fountain grove and the loss of canopy there and some of the the priorities from the department would it be helpful and beneficial and necessary for us to allocate additional funding to this project I appreciate the question I appreciate the consistent question and my answer would be this is number one when we lay this program out we'd never have one before the city's never had something like this before so the funding opportunities and and the cost of the program was was relatively unknown we did our best guess it was under previous administration best guess on what it was going to cost but if you look at 44 square miles 180 000 people it's a big project and when we're covered we're surrounded by 30 percent of our city's surrounded in the wildland urban interface it's a lot of projects so is it enough we're we're still working on that and I would say probably not at this point what I did talk about in goal setting if you recall and in regards to the PG and funding is that you know Paul's gone out and done a great job of applying for grants and almost doubled the value of our five million dollar investment in vegetation management and potential grant funding and he laid that out to you today so first and foremost what you what you've seen in the PG&E settlement request is an additional 1.25 million dollars set aside to to have that grant match available if we don't get the grants we find another funding mechanism for that grant match fund that obviously come back to council for reallocation to whatever project you wanted to so that's first and foremost we could certainly work on some numbers we have a lot of projects already in the pipeline for PG&E and ARPA we could certainly work on some numbers on what we think that would look like to to sort of enhance the program and add more shovel ready or or visible projects but as we've talked about both with fire prevention and and with management is that a lot of this comes down to the the ability for us to contract out where we don't have the crews to do it so we're going to have to contract the work so it's finding the contractors and that's part of the unknown on the cost it is exactly what the cost is going to come back on though so we can certainly work up some numbers and add it to the list but you know we can throw all the money in the world this and and you know and and really make an impact so it's finding that balance of cost benefit and and meeting the right goals that we want to but we can certainly work up some numbers and come across with with a better idea of what we're looking at based on where we're at in this process so far after a year of the CWPP and you know five months of vegetation management program right I really appreciate that chief I know it is a priority it's not going away and I know we've talked in the past about large upfront investment to get a hold of vegetation management and then an ongoing cost to continue that program so I do recognize that council any other questions okay I'm seeing no other questions from from staff on this one or excuse me from council we'll go ahead go to public comment on this I see one hand on zoom we'll start with David yes this is David Harris 355 Gemma Circle Santa Rosa more than 30-year resident of Santa Rosa and in this fire zone but I want to make the observation that you know in between weed abatement and pile burning the whole question of wooden fences I think needs to be looked at seriously there's been a lot of rebuild of standard inchboard fences that go all the way up to the structure and that is something that really we should look very seriously at because it is in in there with the weeds and accumulated piles as a source of fuel that propagates the fire and in many cases is really the wick that takes it right up to the wall and I had a friend who was trying to fight the fire back in October of 2017 and the neighbor house was on fire and he was up there with the hose and he could spray his wall to keep that radiated heat from starting his wall on fire until the fence between their two properties caught on fire and then he could not continue to stand there and and you know the fact that we are actually permitting wooden fences to put cured firewood between our properties and leading up to our properties I think we need to address that and of course the questions are well what are the alternatives but I won't try and go into that tonight but I think we need to look at fences all right thank you David the only hand I see on zoom so I'll bring it back here Mr. Frazier good to see you yes thank you mayor I really appreciate seeing people in person again it's been quite a while I thank you very much for that and of course thank you also to assistant fire chief the fire marshal Paul Lowenthal it's always great to hear from our very heroic first responders and we very much appreciate it what's on my mind today and why I stand and deliver has to do with an urgency ordinance that will be before the council in a couple weeks regulating strs and while we search for rationale for an urgency ordinance we do see that most of the black ink is devoted to a section that's entitled life and safety requirements and therein is quite an extensive amount of regulation that this ordinance would deliver to str owners and operators and so my question is because we are really trying to figure out what the urgency is here and obviously these issues are of an urgent nature but we can't understand really the dichotomy between what strs are being demanded to do and what just normal properties are subjected to and furthermore we we find it very distasteful to say the least that strs are being set up as a problem that they're not so we want to be sensitive to that for instance we find that there was nine objectives and 47 actionable items but nowhere in there is any mention that fire pits out there fireplaces barbecue grills three feet or smaller should be located 25 feet from a property line structure flammable source and if it was larger than three feet it would be a 50 foot distance between any flammable source apparently there's no urgency in the advice that's being created by the fire department and the the wui protection plans the fire department's website when we go there for advice on barbecue grills for instance there's one line about not spraying flammable charcoal lighter on a fire that's already lit but there is a page about candles and candles are more urgent as a fire dam a fire risk than what's contained in the urgency ordinance proposed to regulate strs furthermore there's a quarterly mailing by the city to str owners and operators what a convenient place to insert educational material about risks caused by fires if there was an urgency to control the behavior of strs or their gas surely that effort would have begun earlier thank you all i appreciate your time thank you any other comments in the chamber all right i'll go ahead bring it back to council madam city attorney do we need to vote to accept the report yes okay mr tibbetz this is your item all right how about mr schwethelm sure thank you mr mayor move that the council accepts the first report from the fire department regarding the get the correct name here community wildfire protection plan a second with great thanks motion from council member schwethelm and a second from council member soyer any other comments council member schwethelm thank you and i would just like to add my thanks to all the efforts of not only chief westrop fire marshal moon and assistant fire marshal lowenthal this is the behind the things behind the scenes things that actually make a huge difference in the community so thank you for your efforts on this and i think we're heading in the right direction with that let's go ahead call the vote council member tibbetz council member schwethelm hi council member soyer hi council member fleming yes council member alvarez hi vice mayor rogers hi mayor rogers hi let the record show the motion passes with six eyes with council member tibbetz absent thank you so much team really appreciate the work you're doing on it let's move on now to item number 16 that's the notice of the final map for 3575 mendicino avenue subdivision phase one see if there are any public comments on that item so no one rise and no hands on zoom i'll bring it back and see if there's any comments from council great we'll move on then to item number 17 that's public comment for non-agenda items if you're interested in providing comment tonight on an item that we didn't hear please feel free to either hit the raise hand feature on zoom or to line up at the podium we'll start with david on zoom uh yes thank you this is david harris again i wanted to speak on an item that i know last was on your agenda back in august of 2020 and that is the long awaited over crossing over 101 basically between the jc and codding town and in the direction of the north uh smart station um councilman soya and i were in a class together uh now many years ago not quite 20 uh that dealt with uh the topic of reducing uh vehicle miles traveled and you know we need more alternatives for uh getting back and forth across town uh when i came to san arosa more than 30 years ago i lived right next to 101 in the saint rose neighborhood and uh i had spent a summer in berlin and i mean 101 is basically the berlin wall of san rosa and we have gotten some successful crossings that are alternatives to driving but we need more and we've really made a lot of progress toward getting that over crossing to the jc toward the smart station but i really have a concern about the type of structure that's put there and the cost and uh what's been proposed by the out-of-town consultants is um is really something that is more like a i don't know an aesthetic uh structure not something that i think is practical as a steel truss uh prefab which would be more cost effective and could also be used to really be a place maker you know san rosa used to have over mendicino a banner over a sign over the top and there are places like willowts and madesto that still have uh over their major arteries some type of signage that really names the place and i think that bridge should be looked at to be something designed that communicates what's in the neighborhood there around the the steel lane um exchange the edwards elliott alignment there and of course the jc's on the east side the smart station on the west side and you can drive down 101 and not know that either one of those are there and this is an opportunity i'd say once in a century opportunity to have a bridge designed there that will make that place and and give identity to what we have in that neighborhood and back in 2009 10 there was a um the aia the american institute of architects redwood empire chapter was involved in organizing a charrette uh uh without of town you know the past president of the national aia and others involved and there were entries made for designs related to that northwest sector and i think we need to look more closely at that so i will leave it at that for today thank you thank you david we'll go to mr frazier thank you again i appreciate the opportunity to take the council's time um and again i'm going to refer to the urgency ordinance whose language was just released on friday so there hasn't been a lot of time and it's a very complex ordinance and as you know it's set to come before you again just in a couple weeks the problem is that we strongly feel by doing our research that this ordinance has been established in bad faith when we go to the august economic subcommittee meeting we try to verify the information that was served up purportedly as fact to support an urgency ordinance we find that we cannot factually verify the information that the allegation that there's properties that are operating without paying tot is erroneous in fact if that were true it would just point to the non-feasants of the city operating and collecting these taxes we know from our public records request that the best practice is to collect these taxes over the platform and have them remitted by verbal or airbnb even being presented by with that best practice by airbnb the city declined to participate this is just evidence of your non-feasants this isn't a violation even if these properties exist and we actually question whether they exist we go down the list and we try to find what the urgency is with this urgency ordinance we know that the august 10th meeting was filled with disinformation it was a purposeful lie why are you doing that one thing i didn't address in the fire safety prevention when we talk about airbnb was we certainly have a record about how airbnb and other platforms rose to the challenge to provide space for evacuees first responders i know i was part of that i as you know i have a hosted str downtown the fact that those experiences are not being relied upon on critical ordinances that go right to the heart of hardening and preparing our community is disgraceful i know that strs are a political handball and they're aided by an environment of companies that want to tell you problems problems problems we see it in the presentation at the the association that you just went to last weekend we see it in your information we see it in host compliance knock it off get to a factual basis i do thank you though because this will precipitate getting to the bottom of the bia of iron man of the tourism economy and other issues thank you mr duit hello my name is duane duit i'm from roseland three years have passed since you folks took out the opportunity for the public to present evidence to you by a way of an overhead projector there's a sign on the one over there saying that you're going to get it going soon we've been under the pandemic for 18 19 months and you have an opportunity please make that available because that would have helped today for presentations i brought some evidence that could have been shared i want to say right now it's really important to be supportive of mr alvarez on his efforts for dealing with what are now known as side shows when i was younger people used to go up and down fourth street cruising they were pushed off of fourth street they went up and down mendicino avenue they were pushed off of mendicino avenue came over to roseland this has been going on for decades and i believe we need to find a way to be helpful for young folks to go out and do what they do with their cars i also wanted to point out that the planning commission made a decision the other day that directly affects the quality of life in roseland i know a lot of you folks don't care about that you don't spend much time over there but the planning commission approved another dispensary is the term they use now for dealing marijuana so it's in a spot where a lot of people from rosin don't want it and they went to that planning commission meeting in good faith and they were shined on six oh so that decision is going to be appealed and the reason it's going to be appealed is because they're still a very strong benign neglect and that's a form of racism a lot of folks don't want to admit to that but that's what's happening and that benign neglect is ingrained in san aroza city policy towards roseland one of the things that was really good 17 years ago participated in this effort for what were called creek dreams this magazine was put out by the city it was on the effort for the creek master plan so for 17 years people over in my neighborhood had been working on trying to make the roseland creek neighborhood better but it's really difficult because city staff is actually the obstacle the obstructionists to the people trying to get positive things going for what we'd like to see and then when people come to the meeting you let the zoom folks go first while the lady sits here through a presentation for an hour and a half now i'm used to it you get an iron butt sitting down here but that's just totally disrespectful to roseland all right seeing no other hands for public comments having no other items on the agenda we will adjourn