What's going on everyone? Sam here with Layton Sportsguards, we're up in 22, Penini Select football hobby 12 box, full case break. Number five, random division style, there's a look again at your random results. As always, you can find those on the website, under the results tab, as well as the link in chat. Here we go, let's do it. Now it is, yes. That's where your personals are though. That was a Chris O'Lave. It's going to be CV Lamb, nice one there, to 49 for the NFC East, all the Bakite, Silver, and Dante Forman. It comes to work dressed like Trevor Lawrence. That is another one-on-one, dude. Keenan Allen, one of one. Oh my God, going to the AMC West. Let's go, another one. Ann, it's too easy today. Six on the day right there. Six one-of-ones out of select on the day in the second pack. I'm hacking right now. I have my aimbot on for one-of-ones. I have my aimbot. I'll just have you wipe the top left down a little bit. 19 of 25, Allen Lazard. Going to the NFC North. James Conner. Let's go, dude, another one. Chris O'Lave. It's going to be Samir White, 19 of 25, Tideye, rookie jersey auto, AFC West. AFC West, that is Nathan P off to a hot start, Allen Robinson. Release Day, Sam is a bit of a legend. Jaquan Brisker, 2-1-99. There's Silver, David Bell, and Antonio Gibson. I know the Vegas line on one-of-ones would have not been super high. Dak Prescott, Silver, Alex Kappa. There we go. Sean's a Kappa. There's XRC. Tamar Chase, Silver, Justin Fields, and Luke Fortner. Got XRC. Running back three, I think it's Charbonette. I believe for the Seahawks. Let me see, because it went two guys in the first, then I think nobody in the second. It should be Charbonette in the third. And my apologies if I am not pronouncing that right. Is it? Charbonette. It's not Kendra Miller right now. Was he in the second then? Yes, he was in the second, actually. Yeah, Charbonette. Going to the NFC West. Lamar Miller is running back three. Yeah, Charbonette's in the second, my bad. Blue, Dalvin Cook to 99. Justin Herbert. Silver, Patrick Mahomes, Fred Warner. White, Lewis Seen to 35. Rookie for the NFC North. Silver, Kirk, and DeForest Buckner. Neons, Icons, George Pickett. Silver, Lockett, and Derek Henry. Josh Allen. Silver, Brady. Chase Claypool. Lamar Miller, oh yeah. Dolphins, Lamar Miller was, he was good for a grip. Silver, ETN. Silver, Drake London, and Crystal Lave, good pack there. We got London on the track today for a second. It is not. Skylar Thompson, 60 out of 75 on the Jurticard. Nice one there for the Dolphins. And the AFC East. Silver, Kyler, and Patrick Sartan. I am in David Johnson. Oh my god. Before the broken wrist, David Johnson, notable trade asset to get what's it called, DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona. Good lord. Get this guy out of here. There's Kyler Gordon to 199. Silver, CMC, and Gino Smith. Silver, Nick Manito. And Jay Jettis, speaking on Miller. Silver, Prescott. Silver, Zay Jones. Garrett Whitlock, oh man. That's a name. Nick Bosa, 22 of 99 on the Sparks Jersey. Silver, Saquon. Blue, Saquon Barkley to 199. Alex Cornwall wants me to go insane. Silver, Baker Mayfield. Are we going to see the profile picture get switched again soon? Oh no. Are we going to see a Jaguars logo? Go Silver later. Silver, Fields, Snapshots. Silver, Bosa. He was no Arian Foster. Arian Foster was a dog, dude, for a bit. Notable conspiracy theorist, Arian Foster. Blue, Tua to 199. Silver, Traylon Burks, and Josh Jacob. Do you know that Sean still says that that was the right pick over Justin Herbert up until today? Sean was on his knees begging that they took Tua and they came through. Baylon hurts. 62 out of 199. James Cook Rookie. Cook Rook. There's Sauce Gardner. Nice one there, Tua at 149. Out of 299, Kenneth Murray. Auto for the AFC West. AJ Terrell. 90 pitches for him. It's basically 130. Reg, Quant Brisker to 99. That is Ryan Stonehouse. Silver, Jonathan Taylor and AJ Dillon. David Johnson. Calvin Johnson. Kishon Johnson. Triple headed Johnson. Wow. 75% chance it's a Jack's Profile, but come September. There's Kenny Pickett. Phenomenon. Silver, Andrew Thomas and T-Law. T-Low. There's Jeremy Rockert to 199. Kyler Gordon. Silver Rookie and Snoop Connor. Snoop. Orange. Jamar Chase. Nice color match to 49. Brian Robinson Jr. There's Logan Hall and David Montgomery. AJ Brown. We've got Turing Davis Price to 199. NFC West. Silver Rookie Auto. Brock Purdy Rookie as well. That is a great shirt though you've got on. Red to 99. It's Kyler Elum for the AFC East. Nine of 99. Zach Ertz. NFC West. That's cool. It's a 101. What? The shirt? Well it's a two of two.  I know where mine is. It's a 101. Mine's at my house. I know where mine is. Yeah, right. Blue, Martin Emerson to 199. Rashad White, Silver Rookie. Silver, Kyler Elum. And Jayma. Jayma Draftkings. We're on the train off the steam in that place. Good. Another XRC. Safe on Barclay. We've got Defense 3. Defense 3. God, I couldn't tell you. It's going to be Witherspoon. Tyree Wilson, I believe. Think it's Tyree Wilson. Yes, for the Raiders. That'll be Tyree Wilson for the Raiders. AFC West on that one. Weak Willis to 149. K-Bond, Tibidose, Silver. Got me on one screen and Kylin Donnie on the other screen. Oh God. Oh God. Adam Thielen in my homes. Feel bad for Jeremiah having the three of us on there. God. Silver, Kurt Warner and Lamar. I know. Kenneth Walker, 95 of 99 on the rookie swatches. NFC West. Silver, Joe Burrow and Vom's got us on both too. Oh man. Silver, Travis Etienne, Cortland Sutton and Drake London. I think we just got to play it once to get out of our system. Just for one time we had to get out of our system. Flag on the play. Oh God. What's the penalty though? Penalty is trash on the field. Trash on the field. Ejection. Ejection. All right, breaks are over then. Oh, B.S. Disconnected. Silver, Dante Forman. Who is that now? Donnie. Tell him what he won, Johnny. Whitefield, double Joe Montana to 35. Aaron Rodgers and the base. Joe Burrow. Do you stop eating that spaghetti with your hands, please?  Weird. Tyree Kill, 86 out of 99 for the Dolphins. AFC East. Silver, Rashad White. OBS crashed. London on the track crashed. OBS. That's Silver, Cortland. Drake London again. No, no shot, dude. There we go. You really want to be over there? Anywhere. Cam Jerrigan's two, 149. 79 out of 199. Reggie Wayne. How about that? AFC South. Nice one there. That's actually really cool. It's like you're in a prison game. Stop it. Stop it. Get some help. Kenny Pickett. Silver, Jamar Chase, Field Level, and Mahomes. He just doesn't get the hints. Nate, no. Lebed, Ekamikwanu, 299. Get some help, bro. Silver, Adam Thielen, and base. Trey McBride, 49 of 49. Purple, Rookie Jersey, Auto, AFC West. Aiden Hudsonson. Silver, Sensations, AJ Brown. Silver, Akeem Hicks, and Brock Purdy. Devon Lloyd, 249. Nick Chib. Silver, Jerome Ford, Rookie, and Cortland Sutton. Orange, Christian Watson, 49. Nice one there for the NFC board. Drake London, Rookie. Silver, Goddard, and Danny Dunns. Next box, box number five. What are these babies talking about? Fort Gang, Goddard. Sounds about to give ourselves Charlie Murphy style.  Malcolm Rodriguez, 299. They're extremely sweet level. Silver, Nick Benito, Alvin Kamara. Blue, Roger McReary, 2199. Jay Jettos. Silver, Jerry Judy, and Matt Stafford. Murphy was funny as hell, man. Eddie Murphy's older brother. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. CD Lamb, Silver, Cortland Sutton, and Tom Brady. Traylon Burks. Beggar Mayfield. Remandre Stevenson, 16 of 99 on the Jersey card for the Patriots and the AFC East. Ritter Rookie. There's Russell Wilson, 2199. Cole Comet, Kev Walker Rookie. Some of the best ever, man. Wilson, a huge fan of that whole Chappelle. Charlie Murphy, a huge fan, dude. Loved it. I have it all on DVD. Hushinson. You know what? I'm a DVD player. What? I don't even have a DVD player. I got a billion DVD players. I think it's more of a problem if you had a DVD player at this point. John Franklin Myers, 2, 149. Rookie. And Nick Bosa. Got them all on DVD. My God. Did you get them from Blockbuster? Oh my God, that's even worse. Purple, Jameson Williams, 275. This is nasty. 5 of 10. Justin Tucker, AFC North going to Sean M. On the goal. That's so cool, dude. Grats on that, Sean. Tyrion Davis Price, 7 of 75. Jersey Otter. Is this a 5 o'clock free crack giveaway? XRC, White Receiver, 1. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. Nice one there. I saw that. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba going to the NFC West. Eric R. Get back that one. Malik Willis. Silver Josh Jacobs and Derrick Young. It also gave me a heart attack for a second. I do think God wasn't there to watch the Ravens completely lose. Because they, the Jags drove all the way down and then converted a two-point conversion. And we were like a half a mile from the stadium and all you could hear was the stadium. It was awful. Yeah, I was like, well, glad I wasn't there. Because my thing was they'd scored and take the lead with like a minute left and we wanted to beat traffic. So I'm like, all right, we either watch them win or we're not going to be here if they lose. So I'm like, it's a win-win. Tom Brady. Silver, Brian Robinson, Jr. Sweet level and Curtis Martin. Yeah, that was rough. A rough day. Devin Lloyds. Friar was Alliance, Friar was at the game when Tucker broke the wreck. Oh man, that's a stinger right there. Donovan Wilson to 1.49. That's a stinger. Silver, Kate Otten. Fred Warner. That's a stinger for sure. That's tough. That's really tough. Silver, Dak Prescott and Sir Tan. Who I'm Sir Tan will be a pro-goer. Hayden Hurst to 99. Got 32 of 49. Amon Ross, St. Browns, second-year purple jersey auto. NFC North. And there's a Chris Olave. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's a nightmare, dude.  Zion Johnson. 74 of 75. Spark, Stefan Diggs. Nice one there for the AFC East. Silver, Tyler Lockett and Antonio Gibson. He said it's the Lions. Fair, honestly. Nice. 81 of 199. NFC North. That is Aiden Hutchinson. Amon Ross also went to the NFC North. Nice one there. Eric C. Matt Stafford. Bailey Zappie. Silver is Kenneth Walker, the Forrest Buckner. Is that like bent too? Oh yeah. Yeah, well let me open this pack and I'll show you. Yeah, it's like... Aiden Hutchinson. And Dante Forman. It's like, this card's like warped weirdly. That's like a bump on it, the Zappie. It's hard to tell. And like, there you go. If you look at it like this, you can kind of see. We'll send an empty box and wrapper with the AFC East. Purple, Josh Allen. Silver, Tyler Murray. And Chase Claypool. That is Juan Brisker, 249. Jalen Hwado. Tom Brady, Silver. And Allen Robinson. That's Kyle Phillips, 299. Aaron Rodgers. Silver, Trent McDuffie. And Deandre Hopkins. All right, on to the second half of the case now. What's up, Zach? Selecting that fire tonight, you know it. Would you hit anything big, Zach? Oh, it's nice. Sam Howell, Tri-Color, 249 for the Commanders. NFC East. Silver, Dallas Goddard. And Chris Watson, Rookie. Desmond Ritter, 9 of 25. tie-dye Auto, NFC South. Let's go. Going to Jeffrey H. Nice one there, Jeffrey. Grats, buddy. Patrick Mahomes. George Pickens, 41 of 99. Jumbo Jersey card for the AFC North. Silver, Cole Strange. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, that one's, the Ritter's nasty. Right now, especially, that's a big card. Derek Carr, red, 299. Yep. Roquan Smith. Silver, Christian Watson. And base. Trevor Lawrence, Tri-Color, 249. Jeremy Shockey, Super Bowl Auto. That's awesome, NFC South. Nice one there. Forgot he was there for the Super Bowl. When the Saints won it, no nine. That's pretty wild. Nice one there, Jeremy Shockey. Miami Hurricane Legend. It's part of those really good U-teams. Really good U-teams. Silver, Josh Allen. And Tony Pollard. Ah, cool Shockey, for sure. Orange, Jerry McLauren. Ah, scary Terry. It's a 49. Silver, Kingsley Enigbara. And Aiden Hutchinson. Silver, Joe Burrow. Silver, or Silver rookie, Derrick Young. And Channing Tindall. Yeah, there's been a lot of big polls tonight, Zach. I've pulled six one-of-ones out of select tonight. Blue is Bobby Wagner. For the Rams to 199. Silver, Traylon Burks. AJ Torell. How much are you gonna get done tomorrow? Nothing. Sleep until 5 p.m. There's Justin Fields. Actually, I did the same. Silver, Tremac Bride. Daniel Jones. That's from Ritter. Silver, Ika McWani Rookie. And Matt Stafford. I hope they get someone called. And Stonehouse Silver Rookie. And Gino Smith.  And you're back. Blue, Nick Bolton. To 99. David Bell Silver and Zay Jones. Traylon Burks, Silver. It's J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Alday. Jalen Hertzfield. Silver, Tom Brady. Bosa. Bosa. Silver, Evan Neal Rookie. And Jerry Geary. A gold. Yes, it is. We got a golds coming up. Lom Green is to 49. Kirby Joseph got 7 of 10. Calvin Johnson. That's a very, very, very good color match there. For the AFC North.  And duel such a guy. I saw the Steelers logo on hard drop first back down there. Hard drop for a second. Still nice though. 51 of 99. Jumbo Kyle Hamilton. Rookie Jersey. AFC North again. Roger McCreary. Silver Rookie. Olave Rookie. Bailey Zappy. Silver Bradley Chubb. Alvin Kamara. Oh, that's a Calvin Johnson. I said Calvin Austin. Whoops. Kenny Payette. Silver Traylon Birx. Josh Jacob. Why didn't you say anything?  White Patrick Sertan to 35. Killing some bots in Fortnite. No. David Ajabo. Silver Rookie. There's Zay Jones to 149. Silver Andrew Booth Rookie. David Montgomery. Chibi Carapolo to 99. No Zebra in this case. That's still I don't think. Josh Allen Silver and Malcolm Rodriguez. Hot Rod. Joe Burrow. There's 11 of 35. Malik Willis. White Auto. Nice one there for the AFC South. Silver Malik Willis. Silver Aaron Donald. Dual Stitch. Oh, that's one. Let's go. They walk it off probably. Jay Jetta. Zay Jones. Rip. T-Law to 99. That's pretty cool. Got Super Bowl Auto. Dante High Tower. AFC East. There you go. Patriots in the AFC. Dante High Tower.  Dicker the Kicker to 249. Cameron Dicker. Jack Jones. Silver. Lime Green Lamar to 49. Jordan Brooks. Silver Trent McDuffie. Nice one there. AFC West. Gentile is ripping person. Those over on channel two. Let me drop you a link to his stream really quick. Him and Donnie. Why are they so close? Starcade. Penny Pickett. Nice one there. Kyle's pulling some fire. Let's go. That is a Brian Robinson Jr. Kenneth Walker. 45 of 60 on the Red Auto. Nice one there. NFC West. K-9. What do you say about time? Honestly, Zion Johnson to 75. Silver Mac Jones. Matt Stafford. That was a solid K-9 right there for sure. There's Garrett Wilson Rookie. Silver Cooper Cup and Leonard Fournette. Can they pick it? Sensational Rookie. Silver Alex Kappa. No Kappa. Jamal Williams. You gave me that one. You only got yourself to blame on that. Nice. 23 of 25. Matt Corral. Three colored patch on the draft selections. Swatches. NFC South on that one. Deandre Hopkins. Silver Deshaun Watson and Aaron Donalds. That is a Deandre Houston Carson. 2-1. 49. Silver Brady. Nice one there. And Deandre Hopkins. So that one more full case after this everybody. And that is going to be it for the night. 59 of 99. Chris Godwin on the bronze jersey card. NFC South. Silver Herbie Damien Pierce Rookie. They pick it Rookie. Straylon Birx. Geno Smith. Silver Kway Walker. Tamar Hamlin. Field level Rookie. Taylor Hanakie. Nice one there. 2-25 on the NFC East on the card eye. Jamar Chase Silver. Cam Akers. Silver Breeze Hall. And T-Law. Mark East Brown. Field level for the NFC West. There's Terrell Edmonds 2-75. Silver T-Law again. CD Land. Aiden Hutchinson. We've got John Mechie. 38 of 199. Silver Otto for the AFC South. Nice one there. Brats on that AFC South. And James Connor. Silver Khair Elam Rookie. Marchand Gladmore. Desmond Ritter Rookie. Got a blue canine. Nice one there too. 199. Another really cool one. NFC West. Ronnie Lott. One of the hardest hitters of all time. Super Bowl Otto. That's cool. He's wanting to cut his fingers off, right? Yeah.  I think it's pinky. Yeah. Locked it off. Went right back into the game. Yep. Good God. Deshaun Watson Purple. 2-75. He must have played no one near what he plays today. They are. Fattucassi. Silver Jack Jones Rookie. Luke Fortner.  Sweet level Rookie. Silver. Saucer. You're gonna be up at like 5 a.m. No, I won't say up that late. Kyle Hamilton to 149. It's bloodshot eyes. It's just... Silver Cave Davis. And Logan Thomas. One more game. Uh, were you playing that? No, it was me, Forrest and Jake. What happened? I kept saying one more game and he said I was like 3 in the morning. Jake's like, oh man. It's like I'm watching the shops tomorrow. Stop saying one more game. Forrest is breaking in the morning. Jake's watching the shops. We're just sorting and shipping. Good Lord. Put in the A-team that day. Man. Garrett Wilson Rookie. It was a bad move. Silver Alec Pierce. Jalen Hertz. Staphan Diggs. Silver David Bell. And a, uh, Frankie Lufu. Nice one there. Frankie. And then T-Law. Field level to 75. Silver Roger McCreary. And Pat Fryermuth. Is that a green? I believe it is. That is Daniel Pellinger. Four of five. Jumbo. Two color patch. NFC East. Nice one there. Slated to be probably the starter there next year. Got a lot of reps in OTAs. Very nice. Congrats. Silver Tom Brady. And Taken Quinriana. So that's been really good this year, man. I've been, I've been really enjoying it today. Chris Olava. Kamara. That's kind of Walker. Sensational. Base. Silver Josh Allen. And Damon Clark. Silver Garrett Wilson. Hunter Renfrow. Devontae Smith. That is shot Bateman Blue to 199. And 15 of 35. Tyree Kill. On the light blue auto. Nice one there. NFC East. There it is. Fairly zappy. Very, very, very nice. It's the style. I was going to say, yeah. Ooh, there's the zebra. Finally. Took still box 11. Sensations. Or no, snapshots is, uh, Patrick Mahomes. Silver Brady. JC Horne. All-pro Marlowe. That is going to be a stealer. What is it? Field level stealer. Terrell Edmonds. Nice one there. We pulled three stealers. Zebras today. None of them can be picked. Calvin Austin. DeMarvin Leal. Now Terrell Edmonds. Still a nice one for the NFC North. There you go, Sean. Congrats, buddy. Red. Amonra. 2.99. Jalen Tolbert. Silver Xamir White. And Bernard Raymond. DJ Moore. 2.149. Got a Kyle Duggar. Silver Josh Allen. Mike Williams. Mike Will made it. Trayvon Walker. Try color to 2.49. Silver Evan Neal Rookie. And Miles Geary. I'll grab Donnie for the impression after this case, too. That'll wake you up, and it'll be funny. Dude. Najee Harris. Filler Redemption. Damian Pierce. Prime selections. Prism signatures. Going to the AFC South. AFC South. Nice one there. And Calvin Cook. What do you say what time is it? Last pack here, guys. Good luck. Our last box, I should say. What is that? Oh, it's just one of those stickers. No, it's an official Major League Baseball sticker. Really? This just came out of... Nice. I'm keeping that. That was weird. Jimmy Intern's new fitted hat. Kind of thwacker, Silver Rookie.  No, I'm sorry. It's in that case of select. Yeah. Chris Olave. That's on his way to Orlando. Silver Drake London. Two attack by Loa. I see my coffee. Ta-da! Kyrie Elam. Nice one there. AFC East to 25. 24 of 25. Jersey numbered. Florida Gator Legend right there. Jonathan Wilson and Bailey Zappi. Mark Andrews, 32 of 99 for the AFC North. Spark. Where's my latte? Silver Justin Fields. Jason Kelsey. Deon or Bo SSB. That'd be sick. Yeah. Olave. Silver is Aaron Rodgers and Nick Chubb. Chris Christian Watson. Willie Willis. Silver Jonathan Taylor and JC Horne. What are we? 13. Jay Sykes. It's Kyle Pitts, the 249 for the AFC... NFC South, excuse me. Daniel Bellinger, NFC East, Silver Rookie. Cam Thomas. Logan Hall to 199. This is actually pretty sick. Eight of 25. James Harrison. AFC North on the two-color patch auto. Tideye. Nice one there for the AFC North. Sean M again. Mike Will. Silver, Christian McCaffrey. Silver is AJ Turrell. What'd you get, Jeremiah? Yeah, that James Harrison was really cool. Even as a Ravens fan, I like that. Peer Strong Jr. 61 out of 75 on the blue jersey auto. Yo, Peer, you want to come out here? Hey. Jonathan Taylor. Two packs to go, everybody. Blue, Saquan Barkley to 149. Got a Gino Smith. Silver, Hassan Haskins. Derek Stingley Jr. Christian Watson, that will be 299. Red for the NFC North. Silver, Dylan Parham and Jaylin Warren. All right, let's do a quick recap here, guys. Start with our jerseys. We had Mark Andrews. That was a Zebra Turrell Edmunds. We had a Green, Daniel Bellinger to 5. Chris Godwin. A Matt Corral. That is Kyle Hamilton. George Pickens. Stefan Diggs. Remondre Stevenson. Tyree Kiln. Kenneth Walker. Nick Bosa. Skyler Thompson.  I'm from Connecticut originally. Still kind of a random team to be a fan of from Connecticut, but definitely pretty cool. Oh, nice. There you go, Jeremiah. Pierce Strong Jr. James Harrison. Damian Pierce. Tyree Kiln. Ronnie Lotz. John Mechie. Kenneth Walker. Dante Hightower. Malik Willis. Calvin Austin. Gold to 10. Jeremy Schocke. We had Aidan Hutchinson. Monroe St. Brown. Tyrion Davis Price. Trey McBride. A Reggie Wayne. That's nasty. Defense 3. That's Tyree Wilson for the ABC West. Zach Ertz. Tyrion Davis Price. Kenneth Murray. James Cook. Running back 3. Zach Charbonate for the NFC West. Alan Lazard. Zamir White. Gold Justin Tucker to 10. I know you like that one, Kwame. We had wide receiver 1. Jackson Smith and Jigba to the NFC West. We had 1 of 1. Kenan Allen. Black on the concourse for the ABC West. And then a Desmond Ritter. 9 of 25 for the NFC South. That'll do it for the break, guys. Thanks, Ken, for the fill. Up next, number 6. Last break.


We are here at the World Telecommunication Development Conference 2014 in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. I am pleased to be joined by Mr Lobner Smidder, who is an administrator of the Presidential Palace in Tunisia, has worked closely with people with disabilities and has taken part in many international forums on various sectors, including ICT, showing how it can assist people with disabilities. Lobner, thank you very much indeed for being with us today. Thank you for the invitation. I'd like to start off by asking you, how do you think that ICTs can help people with disabilities in the workplace and in everyday life? Yes, actually this is the focal point at a, I mean, was speaking about yesterday. ICT, when you speak about information, communication, technology, those three focal concepts are orchestrated around a very important issue, which is life, human life. And this is what I wanted to say to the ICT advisors and delegates and all who are the inventors, the present dents of Apple, Macintosh, et cetera, that we are people with disabilities, we are a layer of the society. We have our own abilities, we are people with special disabilities. So actually the innovation and the standardization and what we see in the ICT and the new technologies can help us to be more integrated and more efficient, I mean, in our societies. For example, when I went to the United States last few months, I saw how at the mayor's office they were using the technology in order to make deaf people as well as visually impaired persons to collaborate and make and work together. And you know a person with disability wants to be himself, to show to the others, I can't do it. I can't do my work.  And this is what you want. It's an inducement or enhancement to the other world. It's a message. I mean, face the way for me and you see what you can do. Give me my right and I will give you my insight. So this is what you want to say to the other person. Having a special screen with a person, a deaf person who is collecting the ear or what you call the calls and interacting with people with the same language. This is very, very marvelous. Speaking to a person who is the vice counsellor at the mayor's office and who is visually impaired, magnifying the screen seven times and having so many bright ideas. She's very efficient. So why do we lose those special abilities? This is not the one who is making gear. This is so broad of many bright stars behind me. Maybe they are the voiceless or the unvoiced persons. We have so many people with many abilities. Just give them the chance, I said, to the ICT officers. I told them, just look at us. It's not, we are living in a society which is consumerist society. We are just looking at a profit, I mean, financial profit. But we have to give the ICT its human clock that it has lost within the market and the economic background. And this is what we want to be done here. You obviously have a very specialised view of accessibility. Do you think that NGOs, governments and the private sector should do more to make it easier for people with disabilities to access broadband technology, for example? Yes. If they collaborate together, the private sector by itself can do anything. The public sector also can do anything. But if we shake hands together, let hands be shaken. Why not? And let it be a competition within our own communities. This is what we want. Even the organisations, or what you call the social committees, we have to look at each other as if we are completing each other. We are not enemies. We are not, I mean, competitors only. Competitors in a beneficial way. So we have to collaborate. We have to join the needs of what is in the society. We have to put the feet upon the ground to tread, not like angels, but like a human being. This is what we need. We were talking before and you said that you recently presented a project about disability and tourism. Can you tell us a little bit more about it? Yes. I spoke about it in front of the US department in Washington with the officers of cultural affairs. And it's about tourism and disability. As you can give you some virtual percentages, if tourism can bring one billion tourists, during the 2012 European Union said our one billionth tourist has come. But I said one plus one equals minus two. Why? Because the number of workers at the airport, for example, 49, the workers at the hotel 30, the workers for the needs of transportation, let's say 60, if people with disabilities find the accommodation or the accessibility to get on the plane, to get on the taxi and to travel with their families, it's multiplied. Look, mom is my companion. I need a companion. Imagine some other person, they have their families. So the workers will rise. Numbers of officers will, in all domains, in taxis, airports, hotels. We have, we have our share in the wheel of economy, in the wheel of development, in the wheel of society. All are, I mean, raised. And the hub is the government. If the government or the government in general believe in us, believe me, we can do something which is incredible. And I always say nothing about us without us. We need a pilot product. And this is my intervention here. In my intervention, I suggested a pilot project being presented by people with disabilities themselves, especially who are interested, because we cannot lean on the others. We have to be active, not passive. And we need you.  We have to be integrated and included within the society without disclosing the others, without ignoring our own parents, our own directors, our own governors. So we have to claim our rights as well as to be thankful to those who back us. This is what I want to say. And my motto or what I say always, be smart, my strongest weapon. We have always to be ambitious. We have always to be, I mean, to look at life. And if we are, no, actually we are living one time. Who wants? So we have to leave a bright print in this world. And this can be effective through the ICT, I think, since we are living in a world which is like a village. We are really using the smartphones, the internet, all means of technology. We can even do forums. I can visit some places that I've never been able to go through the internet. So I hope that all the, all the persons who are leading the big companies like Apple, like in Taurus, and Samsung, et cetera, think about that because the cost of the computers and the things that are related with people with disabilities are higher in price. Due to the consumerism, there are not many people who are using this, but we need them. Well, Loveness, thank you very much for being here. I hope that it'll prove worthwhile. And we very much appreciate your presence here in the studio today. Thank you. And I wish that Loveness will be not the only one. I wish to see in the future time more people with disabilities being here and participating and having their share in what is, I mean, done in this world. And thank you. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you very much for watching.


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so we can see where y'all are coming from. Hi, for those of you just joining us, we're gonna start pretty soon, but if you didn't hear this before, we're waiting for some more people to join, but you can go ahead and introduce yourself, where you're from, and if you work with any organization, feel free to drop that in the chat. Thank you, we're so happy you're here. All right, it's just past seven, so I'm gonna go ahead and get started. I think we're gonna have some more people trickle in, but to preserve all of your time and not pick up too much of anyone's time, we're gonna go ahead and get started. So hello, thank you so much for coming to this one hour webinar about the history and future of civil disobedience as it relates to nuclear abolition. My name is Sophie Shepard and I'm a summer intern working for Code Pink Spores Not Green Campaign. Joining me today are Ruth Ben and Ed Heuteman, organizers for New York City War Resistors League and Sally Jones, chair of the Peace Action Fund of New York State. Michelle from Code Pink is also here today to assist us with all of our Zoom needs. If you have any questions, please feel free to use the Q&A function at the bottom of the screen and Michelle will read your questions to us at the end. So as some of you may or may not know, the reason why we're here today is 40 years ago on June 14th, over 1700 activists and peacemakers were arrested in a 3,500 person action in New York City for protesting global nuclear armament missions to the UN. This day of action called blockade the bond makers a rose in response to the global nuclear arms race. Our plan tonight is to celebrate this incredible moment of resistance at its 40th anniversary and inspire you all to join us this summer for another day of action. After I finish this introduction, Ed will talk about what happened that day and Ruth will tell her story. Following that, Sally will talk about the current urgent need for taking action for nuclear abolition during the upcoming United Nations Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference in August in New York City. I will then wrap up this webinar by discussing training opportunities for civil disobedience and how you can get involved and then of course we'll end with a Q&A. I myself, I am 20 years old, blockade the bond makers happened two decades before I was born, but this event, especially as I've heard the stories from Ed and Ruth is incredibly inspiring to me.  And like the climate crisis, the current war in Ukraine is creating an unprecedented emergency for people and planet. The tension between the US and Russia, two states are into the teeth with nuclear weapons, has put us closer than ever to nuclear war. I think we can all agree that nuclear warfare should never be on the table. The tragedies of Hiroshima and Nagasaki demonstrate that nuclear violence is a crime against humanity and all life on earth. Together, I believe we can make a difference. In 1982, the Doomsday Clock stood at four minutes to midnight. Now that clock stands at 100 seconds to midnight. This summer is the moment to make our voices heard as you will learn from Sally later in this webinar. I hope this story of blockade the bond makers is as inspirational to you as it is to me. Thank you so much for coming and now I'm gonna pass it off to Ed. Okay, I'm gonna attempt to share a screen here. 40 years ago, 3,500 anti-nuclear weapons demonstrators converged on the United Nations missions of the seven nuclear weapons powers in order to disrupt diplomacy as usual by blocking their entrances. This resulted in 1,700 arrests making it the third largest number of arrests in a single day for a US demonstration. And here's some clippings of that day, well, the day after actually when the media picked it up. But I'm gonna give a bit of a history because there's been a long history demonstrations against nuclear weapons. The first anti-nuclear protests occurred actually spontaneously just days after the announcement of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then a year later in 1946, there was the first organized demonstrations against nuclear weapons as a result of the US bomb tests over the Bikini Atoll. And then ever since, there's been annual Hiroshima and Nagasaki protests and demonstrations against atmospheric testing, against the hydrogen bomb, against mandatory air raid shelters, drills. And by the mid 50s, a band of bomb movement had blossomed including the formation of anti-nuclear groups in the US such as SAIN and Women's Strike for Peace. By the mid 1970s, the opposition to nuclear power and the new tactic of occupying nuclear power plants was rapidly growing, fueling the anti-nuclear power movement, which was further propelled by the accident at Three Mile Island in 1979. WL, among other organizations, made the connection between nuclear weapons and nuclear power saying that you really can't oppose one without also opposing the other. Then in 1978, the United Nations held its first special session on disarmament. The new peace and justice coalition mobilization for survival was formed and they had attended maybe 20,000 people at the demonstration. But feeling that a rally was not by itself strong enough statement, WL along with other peace groups organized the sit in for survival at which 415 people were arrested while blocking the US mission. Four years later, 1982, the UN scheduled a second special session on disarmament at a time when the anti-nuclear movement was really at its peak of popularity at least, including opposition to the crews and perishing to nuclear missiles that the US had stationed in Europe. A broad coalition of peace, environmental and religious groups organized a massive marching rally, estimated at 750,000 people on June 12th, 1982, and the demands were zero nuclear weapons and zero nuclear power. The popularity of June 12th marching rally was such that politicians were scrambling to be identified with them. Even New York City Mayor Ed Koch asked to be a speaker. He was turned down. During the rally, a New York City radio commentator warned that the disarmament movement was in danger of being co-opted by the left. Some of the more conservative among the June 12th rally organizers were fiercely opposed to anything more radical than a marching a rally. One group representatives said her organization would participate in the rally only on the condition of no CP and no CD. CP, of course, being Communist Party and those sorts. Now I'm gonna put up a quote from Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King once commented that every time he planned a civil disobedience action, he was besieged by people saying, we support you and your cause, but this is not the time for civil disobedience. It will be misunderstood. It will cause a backlash. Nevertheless, King found that nonviolent direct action raised both the level and seriousness of public debate and forced new people to go beyond mere verbal piety to genuine commitment. See, feeling that talk was not enough, a separate coalition was once again organized this time called blockade the bomb makers. It was decided that to single out the UN missions of the countries with nuclear weapons and to use nonviolent direct action to block the entrances of those missions in order to disrupt this diplomacy as usual on Monday, June 14th, 1982. There were five blockade the bomb makers had five basic demands, including a call for unilateral disarmament. And these demands were included in formal letters that were delivered to the mission ambassadors on May 25th, 1982, just a little over two weeks before the demonstration with a request for a face-to-face meeting at least a week before June 14th. Because of the large numbers that were anticipated, all participants were expected to have been trained in non-bonds and to be part of semi-autonomous affinity groups. All were encouraged to sit down upon reaching their mission entrance and if possible, go limp when placed under arrest. Eventually, 166, I'm showing some a sample of some of the affinity group names, some of the more interesting ones, whimsical and creative names for the five missions of the affinity groups that attended. That was the US mission. This is the Soviet mission. Some of them, some of the names of the affinity groups. And then the British, French and Chinese missions had some of these names. But there were also some standard names. These are just the more interesting ones. Now, the part of the theory was of the demonstration we were gonna converge on all five missions simultaneously from different directions. There was some concern that we didn't want people just to show up at the mission. So we had staging areas set up all around Midtown, Manhattan and on the upper east side. And there are some routes. Here's, I have the blown up here is the US mission, but here it is. And it shows routes coming from as far away as Bryant Park to the US mission. But, and this is the French mission here and the British mission, the Chinese and Soviet don't show on this particular map, but it just shows that we've had time these for the simultaneous arrivals. So eventually 166 affinity groups representing 34 states and 10 countries were formed. Although there were a few enthusiastic supporters who spontaneously decided to join the blockades including two United Nations NGO delegates from India. Now the, on June 14th, two days following the rally, 350 people descended on seven missions where 1691 were arrested. I mean, this is the day of the demonstration the Daily News said that there are gonna be 3,000 cops ready for sit-ins today. This is just as it was gonna begin. But over a thousand were arrested at the US mission, 278 at the Soviet mission, 127 at the French mission, 124 at the British mission, 100 at the Chinese mission, 17 at the Israeli and nine at the South African mission. This is the third largest number of arrests in a single day in US history after the two May Day actions in 1971 protesting the Vietnam War. There were police, as this shows, 3,000 of them. They anticipated it would have taken an hour to clear the streets, but the US mission remained blockaded for four hours, forcing one nearby bank to close early for lack of customers. Police were generally polite, carrying arrestees to city buses issuing summons refusing to arrest children or parents with children. Oh, this is another photo just before the demonstration showing, or actually the day of the demonstration showing the police coming with their special tactical weapons. This is SWAT team for the demonstration. I don't know what they were expecting, but anyway, there they were. So while most people did go limp at arrest, so the police altered their procedures to release all who just gave their name, address and age, even without producing an ID and some using obviously fake names like Mickey Mouse was one name that was used, but the cops let that person go because he gave a name. Consequently, many arrestees once released from the buses rejoined the blockades and were re-arrested. A few made it their goal to block all five missions. While most arrestees were soon released from city buses, 250 non-cooperators were taken downtown for arraignment. I'm going through some of the, for those who have trouble seeing, I'm going through some slides of some, this is the Chinese delegation. You can see one Chinese delegate, Chinese sit-in people offering bread and flowers to the Chinese mission. And that's another person being carried, more people sitting down. This is interesting that Ukraine was an issue. This is at the Russian, at the Soviet mission, but the Ukrainians were very unhappy about the Soviet treatment of Ukraine back 40 years ago. And then here's a demonstrator being hoisted into the bus. Most were being carried on stretchers, actually those who went limp. And here's some slides of the headlines, the New York Post, which is a day, an afternoon paper came out a little early, so they have 1300. Anyway, while most arrestees were soon released from their buses, there were 250 non-cooperators that were taken downtown for arraignment. Nevertheless, everyone was released that evening through though they many continued to non-cooperate. And here's another slide of above the US mission where cops with their stretchers are taking people from the sit-in to city buses. They didn't have enough patrol wagons, so they had to commandeer or get city buses to put all the demonstrators in. That's from Time Magazine. And this AP put out a major story that went around the world, around the country, around the world. This is, photo was probably repeated more than any other of the newspaper coverage. It shows a pedestrian trying to get through the blockade at the Soviet mission. This is another one that was put in a lot of newspapers. It's protesters burning the flags of the five nuclear powers. This is at the Israeli mission in the street in front of that. But the media coverage was extremely worldwide, but all the New York City TV stations covered the demonstration. CBS alone had 10 camera crews out covering it. Most of the coverage was fair, although the right wing New York Daily News, as you see here, had the editorial A plus and F, gushing praise for the June 12th rally while condemning the June 14th blockades as meaningless shenanigans, quote unquote. But, and then New York Post actually, which was a little more liberal paper back then, 40 years ago, was better. And the nation with their very civil disobedience, of course, was very positive about it. So this is some of the organizations that were part of the coordination and organizing for the demonstration. And this is Stan Mack of the Village Voice did a cartoon about non-violence training. Now this might not be up long enough for you to read it, but anyway, it was an amusing column using actual dialogue of some of the issues that they were having and doing non-violence training and trying to reach consensus. At this point, I will turn it over to Ruth. Well, I should say one thing. I forgot that the negative editorial from the Daily News, in a certain sense, I would worry if we did, what was something that was wrong if the establishment media and politicians instead ignored us and even commended the hundreds of people deliberately disrupting nuclear diplomacy. So I'm a little bit happy that they were upset by what we were doing. That was part of our purposes to get the attention of the authorities. All right, Ruth, sorry to go over. All right, thanks everybody for coming. Just a short bit, it was 40 years ago, so it is hard to remember the details, although I do remember in general it being an exhilarating experience and a great day. At the time I lived in Northampton, Massachusetts, I wasn't active with War Resisters League then, but I was active with a local peace group and the American Friends Service Committee. And my affinity group for this action came out of some feminist organizing in Western Massachusetts. There had been an eco-feminist conference, Women and Life on Earth, which was in 1980 in Amherst. And a lot of us participated in that and that led to organizing the women's Pentagon actions, which were in 1980 and 81. So a lot of affinity groups had already come together for the women's Pentagon action. So by 1982, our feminist activists were still together and a few of us, apparently only four of us, created an affinity group to come down to New York City. So that's me looking very distressed at the US mission and at the sit-in, but I guess it kind of shows that it was an exciting day. And Jean Grossholz is on the left and Karen Brandow was on the right.  But so we actually met way over there in Bryant Park on Ed's map and we're given a route to follow to the US mission. So I'm sure we were with some other affinity groups there. We probably all walked together and sat in together. I probably was carried, I don't know if I was on a stretcher, but I did get arrested. I do remember being put onto the bus and just one of the city buses, a bunch of us on the city bus, we were driven off somewhere, given a summons and to come back to New York at some date. And then we were set, let go. So, yes, Karen Brandow presenting. We were let go. So I'm sure I did go back to the US mission and join the protest. I didn't get arrested more than once, but you could go back and just cheer on whatever was going on at the time. So it was very fun and exciting. And this is Jean Grossholz from my affinity group being arrested and Jean presente also. She was a professor at Mount Holyoke College. So, I have a promise, I just have to glance at my notes. I moved to New York City in 1985 and so this action did manage to come back to haunt me once more because I was arrested in 1999 after Amadou Diallo was killed by the police in February of 1999. And there was an organized wave of actions at one police plaza to protest his killing, which was an amazing action. And I, much to my surprise, when I was arrested there, the warrant from 1982 popped up. I had been arrested other times before 99 in New York City and it had never come up before, but at this time it turned out that the police, the NYPD had started computerizing their records. So they pulled up some old warrants and stuck them in the system. And mine came up and it just led to a few more visits to the court because actually they didn't have all the information that they, in their computer entry. And so the court couldn't really do anything with it, but it did kind of bring this whole action back to mind at the time. And it also reminds me that for those of us who have the luxury, I guess, of choosing to get arrested, it is an amazing experience. And that time when I, in 99, when I had to go through the system and get processed, I was by myself and not with an affinity group. And it was really different to then be with whoever else had been arrested that day and really be aware of what's going on in the system and the so-called justice system. So it just makes me think about that a lot. And finally, I asked a couple other people about their stories from that day. One of them was Matt Meyer, who's down there sitting in front, looking very stern on the left of this picture. And he actually, well, at that time, President Carter had reinstituted draft registration. And at that time, many of the young men who refused to register in those two years were being prosecuted or headed to court for prosecution. And so Matt helped organize a couple of affinity groups of the non-registerance to the draft. And he was, so he was arrested with them. And I should mention that he had also organized an anti-draft festival on June 13th. So that ended up being a part of this whole weekend because draft registration really was a front and center issue at that time too. And then the last person I asked, I'll just read the quote from her, which you can look at Martin Luther King's quote while I read Carol's quote. She's, Carol Wald said, I was visiting my parents in New Jersey and made it a point to go to the demonstration at the US mission that day. At one point the police said, if you step over this line, you will be arrested. And I spontaneously did and was no training, no prep. It was an exhilarating and empowering moment. And I've since put my body on the line to protest the US war machine many times and in many states. And she says, sometimes the passion we feel must be expressed with our bodies. So thank you Carol and Matt for your stories. And we'll go on to Sally. Hi everybody. My name is Sally Jones. I'm with Peace Action New York State. I am very grateful to the organizers of this event for inviting me to talk about the urgent need for taking action this summer for nuclear abolition. Action can mean many things, but civil disobedience is the type of action that we feel is needed now. I was lucky to be there on June 12, 1982 among the one million people who flooded the streets and Central Park calling for a world without nuclear weapons as an individual, not as part of any group. But I wasn't there on June 14, 1982 for the civil disobedience. It wasn't until 2010 when inspired by some of the same New York City War Resisters League activists that are here, I joined the civil disobedience action. That experience strengthened my bond of commitment to nuclear disarmament work. Because the group I am part of Peace Action New York State is headquartered here in New York City, we have acted as hosts and sponsors with many other New York City groups for international conferences, rallies and marches with the peace and planet international network. Several of these have taken place when nations have met for the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference, NPT RevCon for short, which takes place every five years. The 2020 conference was delayed for two years because of the pandemic and is finally taking place this summer from August 1st to 26th at the UN headquarters here in New York City. This is the 10th NPT RevCon, 52 years after the NPT treaty went into force. This treaty sought to end the spread of nuclear weapons with the ultimate goal of eliminating them. 191 nations have ratified the treaty, including the five original nuclear weapon states, US, Russia formerly Soviet Union, UK, France and China. They signed on to article six of this treaty, which states, and I quote, each of the parties to the treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures related to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control. There used to be more hope that the NPT could be used as a tool to eliminate nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, it has failed that goal and in fact led to the proliferation of civilian use of nuclear energy, which is a gateway to development of nuclear weapons capabilities. The Ukraine war has made those expectations even lower for the upcoming NPT RevCon in August. Frustrated non-nuclear weapon states and civil society worked hard to create a new treaty, the treaty for the prohibition of nuclear weapons, which went into force in January 2021 after 50 state parties ratified the treaty. Slowly but surely more nations have gone through ratification of the treaty and currently there are 65 state parties, which brings me to the urgency of the moment. The Ukraine war and the competition among the great powers have dangerously increased the danger of a third potentially nuclear world war. And even if the war in Ukraine ends, we are faced with an intense competition between the US and China and intensify nuclear and advanced technological arms races. The US and its NATO allies are spending trillions of dollars in new nuclear and high tech arms races. There is rising authoritarianism in which governments are not accountable to their people. And except for the new START treaty that was ratified during President Obama's administration, there are no meaningful arms control agreements remaining in force. The necessary cooperation among nations to contain and reverse the climate crisis and to staunch and prevent pandemics has been undermined and is almost entirely absent. This has also made the courageous actions being taken around the world to end the Ukraine war and to eliminate the existential dangers posed by nuclear weapons and climate chaos so crucial. We must demand that nuclear arms states and nuclear sharing states halt the threat and the use and deployment of nuclear weapons and adopt a policy of non-use. We must demand respect for the United Nations Charter and the rule of international law. To learn more about these issues, I would like to invite you on Saturday, July 30th to a hybrid conference. It will be here in New York City, but also it will be online and it's going to take place at the All Souls Church. We're going to paste the information in the chat about this. It's free and it's open to the public and there will be international voices coming from US, Europe, Japan and the global south addressing some of these issues in much more detail than we can do tonight. We end our call to action with these final words from Dr. Martin Luther King. Quote, for years now we have been talking about war and peace but now no longer can we just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and non-violence. It's non-violence or non-existence. And so now I turn this back over to Sophie. Thank you, Sally and thanks, Ed and Ruth for telling your stories. I mean they're so inspirational to hear like seeing that many people interested in doing an action over 40 years ago and yeah, this is exactly what we needed in this moment. So as Sally said, this summer is the moment to take action as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty meetings the review conference of Sally said is going to take place here in New York City in August. So if you're interested in joining us for this to like take action and make your voice heard it's really important to prepare for an event like this. And even if you couldn't take like a hypothetically arrestable rule pull something off like Ruth or Ed did it's really important to understand how an action works. So in between this webinar and our action in August we're gonna be working to make sure everyone is trained in the workings of civil disobedience. Our goal coming out of this webinar and shortly after is to get a hundred people to sign up to take non-violent direct action in August. We may host a specific event this summer to prepare you or direct you guys to like amazing groups such as Extinction Rebellion in New York who regularly provide direct action trainings and these sorts of trainings teach you how to engage in direct action how to prepare for it, what to do after all of that and they're an amazing opportunity to practice for August 2nd. So we're gonna drop a link in the chat. Stephanie who's an amazing comrade from World Can't Wait is gonna drop a form in the chat and you can fill that out. If you wanna be involved in August whether you wanna take direct action or not it would be super, super helpful if you could fill out this survey so we can stay in touch. We'll also send it up in a follow-up email to you guys but that would be so helpful for us to find out if you're interested if you wanna invite other people, all of that. So yeah, as all of our speakers have said it's super important that we take action now to bring an end to nuclear armament around the world. This is an urgent moment and I really hope you guys will join us. It is now 7.32 and we have plenty of time left for Q&A which is wonderful. If you haven't already submitted questions to the Q&A in the chat or the Q&A function you can use that function now it's a button at the bottom of your screen and Michelle who's helping us out from CodePink will read your questions to us. So yeah, feel free if you wanna ask about August this summer or what happened in 1982 feel free to drop a question in the Q&A. Thank you. And Michelle, feel free to ask any questions. Yeah, thanks so much. Well, there's no questions, right? So I'm gonna give you some time to type your questions but I do have one and I just wanted to say that this is amazing an amazing webinar. You guys are an example of inspiration for me and I appreciate your courage. And I did want to ask maybe Ed or Ruth what has been the difference in the response of the police for the officials between the protest before and the protest like right now and if there's a difference between movements if it's a protest for peace or if it's something related to climate change, for example. I'll start, it varies. I mean, over the years and certainly in New York City it depends on where you are. New York City is much different than some other areas of the country but even in New York City it varies. So I mean, I've been in demonstrations where I've been kicked, stepped on, dragged and a lot of other nastiness by police. And then other times, I mean, 1982 the police were very polite. I think they were counseled that they should be but there are other times where they've been unpleasant and sometimes it's a policy that seems to come from the police, higher ups and other times it's just one rogue officer. So it's hard to say that there's any trend one way or the other at the moment the most recent demonstrations I've been in the police have been decent to New York City but again, you go to somewhere else and it's gonna be a different story. I think when watching those slides I thought it was interesting to see what the police were wearing at the time like that SWAT team that came in. So they have these big cases but now you see them in there all of there like turtle suits or whatever you wanna call them carrying M-15s or whatever it is, you know it really is different looking back at 82 and just how much less equipment all the cops had on than you see them wearing now. I think we do find with war resistors league actions because generally our reputation is non-violence sitting. I don't know that we have been treated much easier than some of the more recent demonstrations obviously a couple of years ago the Black Lives Matter, the police were really rough in a way that I don't think some of our actions we've seen but still it varies and you never know. Yeah, and I noticed somebody was asking about non-cooperation and Ed had mentioned like the people who were carried off on stretchers or when we didn't cooperate in 82 the police just seemed to be overwhelmed and we're ready to let people go with the summons and be done with it unless you didn't give your name but now you do get an extra fine if you don't if you are carried they have added that maybe within the last 10 years it hasn't been too long but it's kind of a newer thing. Well, they did that before 1982 also in demonstrations so it's very. It's very, okay. Okay, thank you so much. We have a question here in the chat. So for the panelists, what do you think drove the numbers for the mass disobedience and how can we do better to get those numbers today? Good question. I mean, we've been organizing this trying to get numbers up. I mean, actually back in 1982 those of us doing the organizing for the blockade were disappointed that only 1700 were arrested we were expecting 10,000 or something like that. So obviously a little overambitious but the difference was really the ascendance of the anti-nuclear power movements and the anti-nuclear weapons movement. They came together at a certain time there are a lot of young people involved at that point and the environmental issue of the day was nuclear power and that was the one that drove a lot of interest from people who were younger. So it was a coincidence a little bit of different movements really growing and being very popular but how can we do it today? I don't know. I mean, I've put a lot of years into this and I've sought ways to see how we can maximize numbers and sometimes it's luck or the phase of the moon. I'll add on to that. Yeah, I think organizers have been trying to ask this question, you know how come we used to be able to get so many people in the streets and why can't we do that now? And I think there's a lot of reason I think everyone has their personal theory but I will just speak to what I'm seeing right now in this moment, a lot of conversations I have with people and activists is like people don't wanna march anymore people are like ready to take action people are really frustrated with how the system is working right now and people want to do something and it's just a matter of how we engage people and how we talk about it. And I think especially as people are feeling really desperate about where the world's at right now with the war in Ukraine with the climate crisis. I think the summer is like a real chance to see people hop in and take action because yeah, it's like what else do you do? I think it's a really effective tactic. Yeah, and I just to add on there were one million people in the streets of New York City on February 15th, 2003. Just as the US was preparing to invade Iraq. It was, there was organizing that was done with the United Prophets of Justice and many other groups but there was a feeling of just regular citizens and the residents of everywhere around that we had to be on the street. And I think it's like an urgency, a need that comes up that you have, you know you also felt, I don't know, I felt like if I was in the street and if I organized I could actually stop the invasion of Iraq. I believe that even though since then I've kind of learned when the war machine gets ready to go, it is really hard to stop it. But that belief that we could stop it and also going back to 1982, I wonder, you know from Ed and Ruth's point of view the belief that we could stop the nuclear arms race and we could change policy. And in fact, it actually was not completely successful but there were something like 60 to 70,000 nuclear weapons in the world in that era. Check my facts, please, someone here. There's a lot of knowledgeable people here and now there's a lot less. And that was due to that huge movement of the 80s and the different arms control, the pressure to have arms control treaties. And now we backed off from all of that because we need to feel like we can make change. We need to feel that. I hope people don't get bought off by arms control treaties because one nuclear weapon in the world can kill millions, it's too much. So we know that we have a lot of work to do. And I hope in New York City with Sophie and Sally and other groups, we can't wait. We're working on building our coalition and working together and it's a challenge but all of us need to work harder at crossing issues, right? And figuring out how to make this one big movement because all these issues are connected. So many issues are connected. Yeah, thank you so much. There's another question here. So how did you organize in 1982 pre-internet days? How did you do this by mail, letters? How did you do this? Well, yeah, certainly mail, but meetings, there used to be a thing called newsletters and publications back then that went out to a lot of people. And this was advertised in all those publications. We started organizing the June 1982 events back the summer before. So that was several months lead time and we had it in mailings. I mean, speaking for the war resistors, we had it in every mailing that would go out from the war resistors, we've mentioned at conferences, at other meetings and the word got out. I mean, we worked in coalition with many groups. It wasn't just the war resistors for the blockade and certainly not for the June 12th organizing. A lot of people think June 12th was all the freeze. It wasn't. It was a very broad coalition of many, many organizations. And the word got out that way because the organizations were able to disseminate what was happening, but we had a lot of lead time. The problem would be then, if we wanted to do a really quick demonstration, it would have been kind of tough, but we had several months lead. Thank you. Okay, so another one we have time, so let's do this. As we have seen with many other movements, civil resistance while critically important does not ever achieve its goals by itself. It needs to be part of a strategic plan that involves many kinds of action. What overall strategic plan do you advocate within with civil resistance will be couch? That's a tough one. I did once see, at some point, I was doing this great training by, oh, what's it called? Citizens Climate Lobby. And they talked about how there are different roles in a movement, just how there are different parts of an ecosystem that all contribute to its well-being. There are different parts of a movement and every place has its part. So there's people who lobby Congress, there's people who do direct action, there's people who try and help voter registration and get people to vote. There are all these moving pieces that contribute to a movement. And I think there is a lot of division in our theories of change and how we think we need to make change and even the finer details. But I do think we can all agree that nuclear weapons and nuclear warfare is awful and evil and we don't want it there. And so we're all advocating for it in different ways. And this group here believes in civil disobedience because if they're not listening to you when you write to Congress, when you tell your representatives, what you can do is you can show up and get in their way. And that's what I believe in. And I think every form of advocacy is incredibly important, but civil disobedience's role is to sort of get in the way and make it so they can't ignore you. And I think that's sort of gonna be the goal in August as it was in 1982. Thank you. Just to add to that about the strategies, I think it's important to have many, many strategies happening all at the same time that just like stirring the pot, like the more you're touched by different either conferences, now at Zoom or meetings or newsletters or the more personal, the better, I think it's the strategies are everything, do art, music, everything. So the strategy needs to be touch people in every way you can. And also try to keep people together. As much as possible. Definitely, yeah, so will there be a focus on the revival of past nonproliferation, limitation of strategic arms treaties that were enacted in the past and work through the United Nations? Should I answer that? Yeah, you can keep mine, have something to add, but go ahead. Okay, well, go ahead, Ruth. Well, I don't know. I think I was just gonna say that at one of our previous demonstrations at the nonproliferation treaty conference, one of our slogans was shut up and disarm and I think we're just frustrated with all of the talk for the last 75 years, whatever. 76 years. Yeah, yeah, and right, we're just trying to go there and say, just do it. Yeah, but go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say that we did bring up the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons, which has been worked on for many years. I can, the international campaign for abolition of nuclear weapons was the, we actually received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2017 because of their work I'll call it the TPNW for short. That treaty, so instead of past treaties, I would say there is a focus now and there needs to be a focus on getting more nations. Many of these nations that signed onto that treaty are small nations. They're not the nuclear weapon states. They're not the, what they call shared nuclear weapons states who are underneath some umbrella of another nuclear weapons state. It's the small states that have stood up to the powers, the imperialistic powers and the followers of the imperialistic powers. And they really have given us a lot of hope. And I just think that we need to focus on the TPNW. We still, and we need to shame the countries that are not living up to their obligations on the NPT, the Non-Proliferation Treaty. That's still enforced. It's enforced for, in 1995, it was changed so that it would not have a sunset. It would continue forever. So it is enforced now. So that's international law. And these United States, Russia in particular, plus the other seven countries with nuclear weapons, are not living up to their obligations and they need to be shamed. Thank you. I guess that also answers that question. We have on YouTube, Tat. There's another question here. Why was it called freeze? Why not abolition? Well, I mean, I'll do a stab at that. Sally's probably more likely to have the correct answer, but as I understood it, the freeze thought, that's just one step. I mean, the idea was abolition. And so, you know, you do it one step at a time. I'm speaking for the freeze and I opposed the movement because I thought it was too modest. But anyway, the idea was you freeze the nuclear weapons where they're at now and then you do step-by-step lessen the number. So I think the freeze people felt that's the least that anybody could do, but that wasn't an end goal of anybody in the freeze as far as I know. Well, I might- I totally agree with you. I mean, I think that the brilliance of the nuclear freeze movement was that it allowed people across the country to come from many different political strains to hop on board and also do things locally, you know, passing resolutions in their town councils and all of that and organize locally. And people who, you know, didn't really know that much other than they wanted the arms race to end. They were afraid of a nuclear war. So I think it was a way of the galvanizing, you know, the people in the United States and it also around the world to stop the arms race and fund human needs. And there was a lot of, I don't know if anybody here was on, there's been some other discussions about the whole 1982 organizing. There was a lot of disagreement and people came together despite that. That's, you know, behind the scenes, it's just like a theater production. There's a lot of messiness, but we were successful in pulling something off in 1982 and we can learn a lot from, you know, how to do that. You gotta bring in as many people as possible. I also like to reinforce that in 1982, the June 12th rally in March, their goals were zero nuclear weapons and zero nuclear power, not freeze. Freeze was, as I said, was one part of a very, very broad coalition. They included many groups beyond the freeze. Great, so here's another one and we have two more. And then I think we can wrap it up. Is any national government currently outspoken against war or nuclear war, any strong government or political support? Yes. I'll leave it to Sally to name them. I mean, they're honest. We can go to the ICANN site, ICANNW.org, and you can see all of the 65 states who have ratified the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons. And there's some pretty amazing countries in there. And they are committed. It isn't easy to ratify a treaty. In the United States, there was the ratification of the New START treaty, but there was a devil's bargain that President Obama made with that in order to get the two thirds of the Senate. It's not even the 60 votes, it's two thirds of the hundred members of the Senate to ratify a treaty, according to our constitution. Very, very, very difficult. So these countries have different rules for ratification, but they're often not easy and it takes a while to do it. So I would suggest everybody go to ICANNW.org where you can see the 65 nations. We had a project to thank them. We've done it twice, January 2021 and January 2022 as a coalition of groups took thank yous and yellow roses to thank all those countries. We still have some more to do. And they did a similar project in Washington, DC to the embassies. These are all wonderful countries. Some of them are very tiny, tiny little countries in the Pacific, in many in the global South, in Africa, in Central America, in South America. It's very moving to go and visit their missions and talk to the delegation and how strong they feel about the TPNW. Somehow that reminds me, whose quote is it? Like Eisenhower or somebody who said people want peace so much that one-day governments are gonna have to get out of the way so we can have peace. So on the one hand, it's wonderful how many countries have signed on and of course none of the nuclear nations have which is why we are particularly focused on the US mission. But on the other hand, it's hard to trust any government and it also makes me think back to Obama's wonderful speech and Nobel Prize winning speech about getting rid of nuclear weapons and nothing came of that so frustrating. So yeah, we need to get this movement rolling again. Yeah, that was an Eisenhower quote. All right, so this is a last question. I want to know how I can motivate myself to want to leave my rural homestead in the Appalachian Mountains in North Carolina where I farm and live to put my body on the line. Well, I'll do a start on that. This is a question I asked myself not leaving rural North Carolina but just operating in New York City, what demonstrations at what point do I feel like it's necessary to risk arrest? I mean, how bad does it have to be? How bad does the world situation have to be that I'm willing to risk arrest in a demonstration and where do you draw the line? I mean, the people, the Germans and Nazi Germany, at what point were they willing to draw the line and some did to not allow what was happening? And I think, although it's not the same thing here as it was then, how bad can it get before I refuse to pay taxes openly and directly to the military or the IRS and then go to the military? So is there ever a point where I'm gonna draw a line? And that's the question I would ask whoever it might, whoever's asking it. But as I say, I asked myself that also.  And when you sign up on our form and like say you wanna take a direct action like all questions about legal and what it means to participate in a direct action and all of that like will come. But I just as for the motivational part of it is like, I mean, the first time I took place in it, I took a role in a direct action was when I was 18 because I felt like I really needed to do something about the climate crisis and politicians and me writing letters in marches and going to marches wasn't doing anything. And so that was when I decided to take part in a direct action. And I will say like, even if you have to travel a bit far like of course we can help you figure all of that out but like it's incredibly inspiring and like invigorating to participate in these actions if you have the opportunity to because it feels like you're doing something and you're surrounded by a community of people who wanna do something too and are saying enough is enough and are willing to put their bodies on the line. So it really is a beautiful act. And if you can work up the courage, I mean, of course this webinar is just the beginning of getting started for August. And so if you do have the courage and you do have the opportunity to come I strongly encourage you to because it can be really beautiful and it's a way to show that you care and you're paying attention. So yeah, that's what I would add to it. Yeah, and then somebody put in the chat that we are putting our bodies on the line every day that there are nuclear weapons. So no more questions over here. I'll let you close. So if you have. Thank you so much, Michelle for your help. And thank you so much to everyone for writing questions. In that form, is there anything else you'd like to know part at the bottom of it? So if you have other questions you want us to answer you can go ahead and put those in that form. Please, please. I think I'm gonna Stephanie if you're there if you could drop the form in the chat one more time. So if people have it, that would be amazing. It's gonna go out in a follow-up email but it would be great. It's so easy to lose things in your inbox. So it'd be great if you could open it up now. Yes, and thank you for attending. Thank you for joining me to be inspired in this 1982 action. And we hope you guys have a wonderful night. Bye everyone. Bye, thank you.