But welcome. This is a talk called discovery, discovery, discovery, the most important part of any projects and a it's all about command line. No, not at all But before we get to anything I'm Dwayne. I work for Pantheon and I've got a table out there I'll talk about them in a second. I've been in the sales and marketing world since 2005 That's how I've made my living and I have learned a lot of lessons of the hard way I've also learned lessons formally in schools classes Sandler technique and various other people have studied under and That's where this talk comes from is that world observations. I've made and things But outside of that in tech I do stuff. I like improv There's an improv talk here. Awesome. Hope you're all planning to go to that web comics comic books a little karaoke I'm on Twitter a lot. It worked out well Please find me out there if you tweet this I left my information here at the side for you I Real quick though. I work at Pantheon. We're a web hosting management platform elastic hosting and tools for teams development sites and all that good stuff come talk to the table We'll give you full demos and whatnot Quick silly request if you guys can take a picture of this and someone send this to me of me standing in front of this picture That that would be amazing These are the other two times. I've talked this year I'll give you a second to get that picture. All right. Yeah, this guy's over got it. All right. Thank you very much We'll move on from that silliness In quick question. I want to know who's in the room. I just told you who I was told you where I work So what's after lunch? This is the second session after lunch You're all in that coma the coffee hasn't really kicked in yet So everybody let's wiggle out a little bit just you don't have to get up But just move your arms around a little bit and then at the count of three just yell out your name one two three And where do you work one two three? And where you come from originally what's your hometown one two three? Oh, there you go. That feels better. I feel like we know each other now really is one place one time doing a thing But quick show of hands. Who here is a developer for a living? Awesome, who here to skitters considers themselves a designer for a living Who here considers themselves a business owner for a living and who here needs a website made? ha All right If anybody raised their hand about website making there's a lot of other people here that are designers and developers as you saw But honestly who he here came to this talk because they saw the name and thought I was gonna do something like this developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers Love that talk bomber didn't do a lot of good things for the world But he did that and all you need to know about Discovery is this That's a lot of questions. We don't need to get into those yet. We'll come back to that I do have that same passion for discovery based on years and years of doing sales and project management process And it really all boils down to to this We need to have the expectations match results and yes for those graphic people in the room Yeah, this is a little ugly, but did you expect a sales guy to make the prettiest slide? Maybe it fits. Maybe it doesn't But it's all about aligning the expectations with the results and delivering people what they're actually asking for What they're actually think they're paying for is when we don't it is Tragic Yes, this is a yellow cake with an eyeball on it Is it what they asked for I doubt it? I seriously doubt it and As we all know when people don't get exactly what they want they get cranky And cranky people are awful to deal with She's not so bad, but Client calling you a customer saying this is not at all what I signed up for I want my money back or Now we need to do all this extra work. It's just an awful feeling So how do we solve that? Well, I think it boils down to this discovery is the most important part of successful projects We all know most of these words. I'm gonna get into discovery. That's really what today's talk is about obviously But I want to stop for a second and think about what a project is because we say project a lot And we throw that word out and that means a lot of things to a lot of people If we go back and look at definitions, this is just a random definition. I found online Like factor requires a lot of time, but it's specific purpose and I love etymology I love where words come from and It's actually throwing something forward that we are aiming at a thing We are trying to hit in fact a goal Every project has a goal in mind. You don't do projects just to do projects You don't do sales process just for the heck of it You project to get to a or a sales process to get to an endpoint a goal specific goal Is it a good goal or not? Well, that's a completely different talk That is a completely different set of things in the world of how do we set these goals? And how do we know that it's a measurable attainable thing? That's not really what today is about Today is about this process who here has never seen this before in their life Not the slide but this idea Okay, there's a few hands and everyone else is on some other understanding of this So let's just go through this really quick This is a project funnel Let's divide the entire world into boxes that all funnel into each other So I can say everyone in the entire world is a potential lead for word camp Phoenix But then they got people's email addresses and they qualified you in to say yes You actually wanted to come here and there you did discovery of well, it can you actually attend? Are there sessions you even want to see? Oh There is well, that's the proposal process. It's really short. It's just a ticket Screen and then there's a procurement where the process clears and then you're delivering you're here If everyone in the room I got your email address and I treated you as a lead I could qualify and see do you want my services for some of the stuff I do in my life If you do we'll go through a process and it works mechanically the same way every single time we go through a process We take leads and we qualify them Again, not the point of today's talk It does feed into everything else I'm talking about because we don't want to do a discovery process with people who can't pay us We don't need a discovery process if there's not an actual need there if there's not a timeline involved Why would we bother wasting our time with figuring out what to deliver if they can't meet any of these things? That's one checklist Bant. I learned Scotsman Sandler technique They'll all do the same thing. It is a mechanical very quick checklist to say can you pay me? Do you have the authority to pay me? You have a timeline in mind? Can I even do what you're generally asking if you come to me and ask you to build you a skateboard? I'm the wrong guy. I've come say I want you to teach an improv class I could do that and we qualify and further discover from there what to do again Not the point of the talk But if we don't qualify properly we'll waste a lot of time doing discovery with people that we probably shouldn't have So just keep that in mind when you do discovery step back and say should I be talking to this person in the first place should? This process be going forward from here Sometimes the answer is no sometimes the answer is I need to qualify it a little bit more Qualification can take a few steps like a few calls There's an old saying in sales get me to yes as slow as it takes but giving you no immediately And that's what I want. I don't waste my time and I don't want to waste yours But we're gonna talk about that next step that that process of discovery for the rest of today And it does go back to goal setting it goes back to these smart ideas Are these smart goals that we want to have a specific thing? We're delivering you want to have a measurable result So six months after the project is done. They can call up and say yes, we have succeeded or no We have failed and here's exactly how I'm gonna prove that here's the KPIs Here's all the metrics today. It's not a KPI talk though How do we get them to tell us what they want? If they could just tell us I want this and this and this in the first place they wouldn't need us Honestly, if they knew how to get to where they wanted to go They would have already been there. They'd have already gotten there They wouldn't need a consultant an expert an advisor to say Here's where you are now Let's get you to the next phase where you want to be but what people can tell you is big ideas and rough sketches of Where they want to be in the future but much more importantly they can tell you where they're at right now and If they can't tell you where they're at right now That's not a good sign If they can't tell you how their business fundamentally works if they can't tell you how their teams put together and how they function already Maybe you can solve that. Maybe you want to be in the business of business consulting. It's good money But know that that's what you're doing that you are no longer on a project. You are business consultant doing something utterly different So how do we get this information out of them? How do we get them to tell us their dreams and where they're at today? We get them to tell us the story Fortunately human beings think in stories fundamentally true. There's a quote from Lisa Cron who's a cultural anthropologist who Said if opposable tone if opposable thumbs taught us to hold on Stories told us to what what to hold on to? This predates language the story does it's the fundamental construct of how humans communicate Quick example here everybody go like this real quick. This isn't some kind of symbol. This is just a thing And now everybody put your fingers on your chin. I Said chin Actual spoken word the actual language part of our language is about seven to nine percent depending on who you ask It's a fragment. It is a very very very small thing Understanding the whole context of a thing in that story is Much more important. I like to think of stories isn't this model There's a bunch of ways to think about stories This is what I learned going up through improv classes and theater Story spine every story you've ever heard in your entire life goes something like this once upon a time There was a thing there was a world that existed and every day there's this pattern that happened But one day the pattern broke and Because of that a series of events happen because of that another series of events happen until finally There's a resolution to that change event and ever since then there's a new reality That's every episode of Scooby-Doo Gilligan's Island Every movie you've ever seen in your life is some version of this Memento is backwards It I think it maps to a really nice sine wave or partial sine wave of math geeks excuse me for misusing your term That goes something like this where you have a reality that's going along going along going along All of a sudden there's a change event something has triggered it and because of that There's another series of events another series of events and another series and it's still finally we reached resolution and then a new reality exists I Firmly believe that if we're going to do projects sales anything with a client that gives us any kind of money We need to have them explain that far end deeply How is this work today? What's going on exactly? How is this world exists today and why am I talking to you? What's the change event? What's because but one day? If they don't have those things Why am I talking to you like you need a business consultant if you can't explain once upon a time and every day and but one day There's no trigger event They don't know any of the rest of this except This beautiful piece, which is where they want to be They want to be able to sleep at night knowing this and they can tell you that it doesn't have to be realistic But they can tell you it and if you can map between here and there Oh, that's that's a project to find that is a goal written down with a date You can make those dreams come true Let me give you a quick example of how this would work in the business world because I see some faces are like Good business one day. There's a shoe company or once upon a time There was a shoe company and they sold shoes online and every day they could handle about a thousand orders But one day they got 12,000 orders and the system broke and a cascade failure happened and everything went offline And because of that they realized we need a better system We should just improve the one we have Because of that they realized that their current way of doing things was not completely scalable and they went on a hunt for a Better vendor and because of that they realized their requirements set didn't actually match anything off the shelf And they needed a custom build and order this thing until finally they hired a development agency that built them their new system leveraging off-the-shelf tools and Parts and they could handle 10x the traffic and ever since that day they've handled up to a hundred thousand orders a day just fine That's the story of zappos or any other shoe company that sells shoes online these days Notice how the part where they hire developer and they do a bunch of work is the very last piece Your story is not their story. You are a Small component and a much larger story for any body you ever work with Not to slight your work at all. It's an important part. It's an exciting part But unless you step back and see oh, I am part of this whole thing. There's a world that existed before I got here There's a world that will exist after I leave. There's things that happen that I have no control of Over there's things they tried before I got here and those failures are going to influence the way they treat me In the way that they work together Those of you who develop or do any kind of project management. How often do you ask so tell me about your last failure? When's the last time you failed doing a project? How did that work out for you? Nobody that's a crazy question How many ask well, what was your experience like working with a previous developer? You've worked with other developers before right you have great. What was that experience like go details for me? It's not a common question. It's a discovery question The kind of thing I learned was asked have you bought something like this before? As a salesperson have you ever gone through a complex sales cycle to buy enterprise job of a middleware? No, well this explain how that's gonna work then because this is a process This is not a transaction where I want to sell you this bottle of water you say yes I want to bottle bottle water you give me a dollar give you the water we're done That is the entire transaction am I talking about those kind of sales talking about bigger things bigger projects than that That comes down to asking questions. How do we map that? How do we get all that together is?  We'll get back to that not the questions. Don't matter. They really do But they're not necessary to write down at this moment before we get to that We want to talk about some ground rules some things that will be universally true and every discovery process from here for the rest of your life that were beaten to me by vicious VPs of sales and People that taught me this stuff if at all humanly possible you want to do this face-to-face Now there is a period of time where this was not a hundred percent possible but we live in the world of zoom and Google hangouts for what it works and Skype if you're really in a pinch How's this meeting going anybody? How's this meeting going? How do you know what's going good? Was that yes smiling that guy looks a little concerned, but she's happy So this meeting I think is overall going well Now if we close our eyes for just a second if you close your eyes I'll put up a new slide How's this meeting going? I didn't change slides everybody The same meeting is going great, but you don't know there's visual clues again The actual Verbal part of our communication is a fraction. It's a very small fraction Nonverbal communication clues that's how we evolve that is how our brains process Dealing with other people is micro one of the things that makes humans very unique is we have more fine twitch motor Control of our face than any other thing on earth We can control our face at a very very fine grain level and we have adapted over a long time to be able to Pinpoint see oh something's wrong Or that's great So if at all possible see their face when you're talking to them because there's a big difference between that's a good idea And that's a good idea and that's a good idea Those are the same words, but three completely different responses moving on We need to ask open-ended questions This is actually pretty straightforward. There's only six ways to start an open-ended question. Anybody know what they are only six ways Yes, yes All the W's and the H. There's only six ways to Answer our ask an open-ended question and they all start with us one of these words Maybe not grammatically perfect. They have to start with this. Don't think that's a grammatical rule I'm giving you as a question writer, but The difference between the first the first one and the second one there Person who signs off on this no And they just stare there and stand there and look at you. I Don't know how many times that's happened to me in my life where like right is the answer this no Alright, well, what is the answer as Carl Sagan always says if we can eliminate a step. That's eliminate the step Let's let's get rid of it. So who signs off on this you're gonna get a different answer Asking someone specifically like do you want this on the left page side of the page and they're not a hundred percent sure what page layout even means Is a much different answer and like where do you imagine seeing the pictures when you log in when you get your page Where do you imagine this looks like? Very different answer and then yes or no of all of those questions I am firmly convinced from all my experience that the why matters more than anything else The who's important as far as getting budget The what well, that's the bigger picture. We're talking about They don't know the what they know what they're trying to get to but they do know the why if they don't have a firm why You probably don't have a project quite honestly if there's not a reason they're doing a thing They're never gonna do a thing asking the why Will expose the bigger business problem the bigger issue. They're actually trying to solve that It's not just I want a new website nobody wants a website They want the results of the work of a website when people visit the website and do something So figuring out what that is is asking the why why is this? Important you why is your company even doing this in the first place? They don't have a good answer to that It's not gonna be a good project Further on the why? Every single person you talk to in a process is a person Every one of us is motivated by completely individual things every single one of us has Selfish desire to preserve our lives further it improve it And there's nothing wrong with that that is just being personal that is a person being a person So if you can connect and this isn't universally true of every project you'll ever do But if you can connect it the why they want to do a thing to a personal reason it carries so much more weight I'll give you an example I'll give you two scenarios here the first scenario if I don't get this project done My bonus this year will be two percent less Is that person motivated to buy a? Little bit If I don't get this project done I will lose my job and my kid won't be able to go to college and I will be homeless in the next six months Is that person motivated? Yes, they're gonna be on board and if they're signed off and they're with you They're gonna fight they're gonna champion all the way through because that person is gonna lose their house if this fails Again that's an extreme example But if you can connect to something personally like this is my business and I have to do it better this way because well You know what I want to build that extension. We're going vacations That's why when they sell you time shares ask those kind of questions. They want to tie it to that personal need ground rules Listen way more than you talk I like a 75 25% rule because you do have to talk you have to lead the conversation But don't dominate the conversation you want to ask them This is their phase and qualification talk about yourself all you want once we get to procurement and Proposal you're all almost a hundred percent gonna talk about yourself because you're gonna explain exactly how you're gonna do The thing that they told you they want it done back in discovery so if You're not The person that speaks The person who speaks the most in a sales conversation loses every time no exception next time you're in sales and conversation just stop and let them talk and Half the time you can let them talk themselves out of selling you the thing or they'll talk you out of buying the thing if they talk long enough Get to a yes and stop or is this talking about yourself again?  I know you're not listening to me There's no way you can help me because you don't know me you don't know my situation You don't know what I need and discovery that's all about setting them up to talk about themselves But that's unusual a little bit like to sit down and interview someone and say I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions And I'm gonna ask you for real the answer That's not a hundred percent an intuitive process. So set up some ground rules with them Let them know what this process looks like they don't know maybe they do this is I randomly googled person pointing a guide pointing Directions this came up, and I've always liked this picture if I ever go to Gettysburg. I'm doing this tour Because I feel very confident that this guy knows where I'm going Because I go down that street then not a street down that street. I know where to get to in this tour Unless I'd been to Gettysburg and had done this before I wouldn't feel confident going but now this guy's shown me the process Oh, I can do that This isn't again if you've asked him if you ever bought something like this before have you ever gone through a process before? Have you ever worked with a developer on something like this before?  It won't be as crazy. I Like to give people freedoms when I'm explaining my expectations like this is how this should work But don't worry you have a lot of freedom in this thing. These are the ones. I always use You can answer any questions. I don't know you don't have to know the whole world You don't have to boil the ocean here You can say I don't know but I can get back to you. That's a great answer I love that answer because you're gonna involve with the people in the process and we're gonna get to a right answer It's weird to talk about personal stakes in business.  No, no, honestly You're freedom for us. This is me and you to having a conversation and we're gonna figure this out together And we're gonna partner up on this and the last one is my favorite one I've always phrased this not as you have a freedom to dream that sounds really big. It's like here's a magic wand in six months What does this all look like? What's your world look like? Here's a magic wand Don't worry about the how or even if it's possible. Just what does your world look like in six months if we're happy? The freedom to dream is huge being transparent is Super important. We only buy from people we trust or if there's no other options Comcast I buy Sonic in San Francisco, by the way, but transparency a hundred percent leads to trust let them know Upfront like hey, I'm in this to make money as a developer and I want to help you with your business as well But here's all my expectations and goals and here's how it's all laid out and if you're true to that Your trust will only go up over time and when push comes to shove later in the process when something does go off the rails because it will Almost always somewhere along the line They'll be like I trust this person because everything else they've ever told me was on the money I have no reason not to trust them And if you're transparent from day one, that's super easy to gain. It's a process But they discover you won't have all your questions answered all of them By each of the stakeholders in the group And the group itself if you're dealing with a single client This is super easy because it's one person if you're dealing with a committee You need to go in and actually interview them all and figure out what's going on with them And you want to have your questions thoroughly answered before we get done with the discovery phase Discovery's not the end of the project. It's a part of the project and no It's not a hundred percent lockdown if you need to come back and re-scope something later Know that you need to do another scoping exercise in a new discovery process But to know that you're done with discovery means that you are ready to sit down and write a proposal and all of your questions are answered I fly a lot last year about 120,000 miles in the air all in and one of my favorite things to hear in the world is prepared doors for All-call or prepared doors for cross-check and all-call Because that means we've landed safely and the flight attendants are getting the cabin ready to go And we are gonna open the door any second now I'm getting off this plane nobody died hooray And I know that because that's the very very very last thing on the flight checklist There's the pre-flight checklist the flight checklist and then the post-flight checklist I don't care about the post-flight checklist the flight checklist the last thing is like prepare doors for all-call Our unarmed doors or whatever it is You should have a checklist you should know like I am done with this process because I got to hear all of these things happened Please just back to our questions Not a bad list of questions. I googled project management question examples This found this URL. It's not a bad one But it also found 80 others on that same day, and this is just the one I picked There aren't bad questions, and if I sat down and went through a methodical methodical process Every single time with this set of questions and fine-tuned it for my customers. I would find success Is it flawless? No, there's people are people, but having a fine-tuneable process Makes all the difference between super angry customers that hate you and won't buy again And people are like yes, I am with you and partnered on this and we're sitting together So I mean told I have one minute. I didn't manage my time while this at all people So unfortunately not a lot of time for questions in conversation, but I will be out at my table But I do have time for one or two. Yeah, let's say we're a little behind schedule, but um Questions or observations What are the hardest parts of negotiation and how do you resolve them over in the Drupal space? There's a talk that got really popular last year. It's retired now called project management the musical and it has this wonderful line in it Just a spoonful of research help the stakeholder calm down It's all about getting those data points early before the money is on the table before there is That process before you get push comes to shove in negotiation of saying hey remember your kids not gonna college if we don't do this Hey, remember these data points you shared with me and that these metrics don't increase You know your company is gonna make 20% less money next year Remember that? That's what we're doing here If it doesn't bring that value then probably they shouldn't do it, but if you can prove on paper Hey, the verses by this proposal. These are the results and these results are exactly what you wanted Why are you now saying that wasn't what you wanted? Do we need to rediscover? Do we need to re-scope this? The answer sometimes is yes that the money is just not there Sometimes it's like well. Yeah, we can do this for less, but then we can't do these parts So let's just cover up those lines. We'll deliver all of this that you want, but not these parts Is that fail-proof? Probably not, but that's helped me in a lot of complex sales Just going back to that discovery and the research I did early One more All right, I'll leave you with this then The two things first you all have more knowledge in your head about individual Discovery processes and real-world experience in this collectively than I could ever have in my lifetime So talk to everyone else here. It's word camp everybody shares friendly and happy to share their thoughts and feelings on this stuff I am not the subject matter expert of anything in the entire world I'm just the guy that submitted a talk that they let do this So hopefully you can all have a conversation yourself or maybe write your own talk if you have some better points in here But very lastly just because it's on video if you all could just indulge me and let's get a discovery Discovery discovery discovery Alright good Thank you


Some really fun options both at pitcher and stack on today's MLB DFS slate We got Jacob de Grom, Kevin Gosman, Corbin Burns all I picture. There's a value play I don't mind and you could justify four or five or so different stacks as being Legitimately very good options, which means a it's a fun slate But also B You're gonna need a lot of points to hang with the top end for tonight with a lot of points being likely on That slate will break down ways. I am trying to get said points My favorite options among those good pitchers and more to get you ready for Monday night slate Welcome on into the solo shot. That's right here on the fan dual podcast network and number fire com My name is Jim Saunders. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire here to break down monday's nine game main slate With lock first lock set for seven ten p.m. Eastern for today couple weather notes There are some colder games for today doesn't seem like any games with rain in the forecast, but Worst one for today is in chicago for the white socks and fillies very windy and very cold Just 41 degrees for today. The winds are out to center at 17 miles per hour So the winds help batters not as much as they do at Wrigley, but they do help But I think it's more than entirely negated by the super low temperatures It's just a really gross day there I like I was looking at this yesterday and wondering if they would actually play this game I think they will because there's no snow in the forecast right now but It was a thought that crossed my mind so very gross weather In chicago for the white socks and fillies think they should play Boy downgrade batters there despite the winds being out other spots that are colder all on the west coast once again Those are in oakland for the ace in the cubs San Diego for the Padres and braze and then in los angeles for the Dodgers and Mets So downgrade batters in those games as a result of the cooler temperatures Other ones should be pretty good to go.  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I had de graham projected for 10.1 strikeouts That's not the same as the 10.7. He was projected for last week But it is still easily the top number on the slate So i'm going to put de graham at the top of my list as a result I understand now more than usual if you don't want to go there given that it is repeat matchup Stuff like that. They did get to him the results have not been great. I get it But for me personally, I think de graham needs to be the top guy and I will put in there personally Above gosman for tonight Now gosman's matchup isn't as tough as you know, I think the reputation says he's on the road against the astros It's not as tough of a test that used to be I think that's a good thing for gosman And I think that gives us the leeway to consider him As a good option beyond de graham here Prefer to graham But gosman right there, which is again why I think it is justified if you don't want to go to graham number one for tonight If we lower the sample and look at just this year the astros have a 96 wrc plus against righties with a very minimal power And a 24 strike out rate now I'm still using 2022 through 2023 data because I think that's better over larger samples With the astros it might be better to go with the smaller sample because they have a lot of guys with no 2023 data So or 2022 data I should say so I think they'll get better in the long run as they get healthier One supposed to have two days back stuff like that and they still got good hitters I don't think they'll be bad for long this bad for this long But it does for now give us a window to target gosman And he's had a good start so far this year a 1.35 era his expected era is 3.08 His swinging strike rate is down a bit and he's not for his money sliders And that could be an issue and that's part of why I have to graham above him But in the three starts gosman has seven seven and 11 strikeouts The seven strikeouts in the first start were in a tougher match up with the cardinals than the one he gets tonight I have gosman projected for 8.6 strikeouts that is within shouting distance of to graham So it's enough for me to put him second for tournaments and again If you want to go there, I think that's fully justifiable But he is higher salary slightly lower projection stuff like that. That's why I prefer to graham We'll talk about corbin burns as potentially another outlet in things to watch Now especially on slays where we have guys like to graham gosman burns I don't always like any of the value plays because you need Juice to keep up with those guys and typically value plays don't have that But I genuinely do like landslint tonight at $8,500 and we'll have him in my player pool Lynn is facing the fillies, which is not a great matchup, but it's also definitely not terrible They have a 99 a wrc plus against righties on the current active roster with a 23 strikeout rate That matchup is at worst neutral Lynn Has gotten off to a rough start so far this year. He's led up eight earn runs In one of the starts six home runs across three games Both the strikeouts have been there. He has a 29 strikeout rate in three starts with a 14 percent swing strike rate His expected eRA is still very high But it's due to all the hard contact and fly balls The hard contact and fly balls may not matter as much if it's 41 degrees in chicago for tonight again The wind is out too, but I think the temperature matters a bit more here So the hope would be that lin can cut back on allowing So much hard contact by letting up fewer balls in play. Can you do that? I'm not sure But I've got lin projected for a 6.5 strikeouts tonight That ranks third on the slate behind dagram and gaussman and especially with his salary down to $8,500 And both those guys being on the road while lin is at home. I think there's more than enough here to make him a viable option So Legitimately four guys i'm okay with tonight. Again, we'll talk about burns later on but dagram is good. I like lin and I do like Burns as well in gaussman. I think all those guys Very much worth considering in daily fantasy for tonight for dagram But you've got a lot of leeway with a couple different viable options here I think the same thing can be said about stacking where you've got four or five legitimate options and I would say two of those are in contention for the top spot Those two teams are the brewers and the rockies rockies are at course field. The brewers are not But I think the matchup for the rocky the brewers is good enough where I'll still put them Number one on my list. They're facing the mariners in seattle. I expect the roof to be closed for tonight because there was some rain in the area so It's not a great part factor better than it would be if the roof were open And it's a great match up here They're facing chris flexin who has really struggled to start this year with eight earned runs and two in the third innings last time Out that was a win game at wrigley field. So that was part of it But his expected era is 6.70. He has more walks and strikeouts. That was not because of the wind Letting up plenty of hard contact and it's in line what we saw From flex and last year across a full year has expected the array was 4.62 with a 40 hard hit rates and a 46 fly ball rate Those are all numbers we can stack against The brewers are a fine team against righties with a 110 wrc plus and a 178 iso That's good enough for me. So I think they are the top stack of the night even above course field Due to all those factors mentioned there now with flexin looking at Opposing batters we do want a factor in that he does have some reverse platoon splits Because last year he allowed a 479 slug percentage to righties so there aren't a ton of righties in this lineup, but I think that it does mean when you're ranking out the stacks the guys to stack here Williadonis probably should be number one William contraris should be higher than he typically would be contraris a rough start to this year But the underlying numbers are okay at least making it more hard contact than you think I do select the lefties very okay with them But bump up adamis bump up contraris because of the fact that flexin has shown Reverse platoon splits since the beginning of last year now the pirates number two or sorry the rockies number two Facing the pirates at course field. We'll talk about the pirates and things to watch the face of Kyle Freeland I think that they're kind of more okay, but the rockies are legitimately good So let's talk about them here. They're facing rich hill Three starts so far for hill and it's not a horror show, but it's it's close His er a 7.20 his expected er a 8.80 Not enough strikeouts too many fly balls So it's been a rough start so far for hill in hill's defense. He's had some pretty tough match ups He's faced the white socks and the astros and The rockies are not as tough as the white socks and astros against lefties Their wrc plus is 93 there But that course field it's almost 70 degrees where it's warm enough where it can play like course field for today So I think the rockies are standouts despite not being elite offense Pretty below average for sure against lefties, but I think here in this spot at course field There's enough to make them in the same range of brewers for potentially one of the top stacks of the night Now the last three times the rockies faced lefty alefueres montero was out, but he's healthy now He has a 220 ice so against lefty since the start of last year He's not hitting the ball great so far this year, but also It's course field. He's had good results despite that So He should be back in there for today. I think that he makes a lot of sense Salaries pretty low honestly like all the rockies salaries are Pretty low for today. I think that you can stack them with the grove Even cj. Crone is at 38 nobody else above 33 that makes the rockies pretty stackable. So the colorado rockies a justifiable stack and a good stack for today The third slot for stacking is going to come down between the cardinals and the cubs. I like both quite a bit I'm going to give the edge to the cardinals both due to weather and offensive quality We'll talk about the cubs later on the cardinals have the better matchup. They're facing maryl kelly and He's looked okay, or it's sorry. They've got the tougher match up. I should say uh and kelly because kelly's not a bad pitcher He's looked okay in his first three starts this year 2.93 e r a and two of those stars were against the dodgers So that's pretty good and he's been good for a while now But kelly struggling with walks. He said four walks across each of his three starts so far Bad at ball data is not elite letting up a 44 percent hard hit rates and that hard contact is not confined to just those three starts It actually dates back to the end of last year where across his final four starts last year kelly started using More cutters and more curples and he's doing that this year too So it's a seven start sample and in that time kelly's strikeouts are up, which we love strikeouts. That's a good thing But also a 43 hard hit rate in a seven start sample That's pretty worrisome It may be a worthwhile trade-off for him because of the increased strikeouts and it has been so far This year with a good e r a But it does give upside to opposing stacks Cardinals are a very good team against righties with a 117 w rc plus plenty of power in this lineup and I think that The the cardinals belong just ahead of the cubs in our rankings for stacks for today They also did just get lar's newt bar back from the il and he's seen the ball really well That's what I always want to see In when guys come out the il is are they seeing the ball? Well a newt bar has drawn six walks in two games two of those were intentional So it didn't draw those two but did draw four naturally He can get stolen bases which means a walk is not a total suck on his upside And he barreled one for a home run yesterday Salary for newt bar is three thousand dollars two sources of upside seems pretty healthy So i'm very in a newt bar for my cardinal stacks because he's looked good enough and I like the upside he brings for a low salary at three thousand dollars so lar's newt bar to me We should be back on him despite his just coming off the il Things to watch didn't want to talk briefly about corbin burns because i'm curious how popular he will be for tonight He had eight strikeouts and eight shut out innings his last time out with an 18 percent swinging strike rate That was the best corbin burns has looked in I think a very long time So I don't mind if you want to give him a look if everyone is on Degrom gosman or others I just want to get a read on his popularity first It's always the toughest thing to judge early in the morning is where people will go for today So need to get a read on that and decide should I feel good about burns? Should we maybe shy away if people are all on him? go to degrom take advantage there, but I want to get a read on burns because I do like him a decent amount and if he's going to go overlooked He could be a very fun pivot for tonight Other game of course field besides the rockies is the pirates facing kyle freeland I don't think the the pirates are a bad stack, but freeland has a 3.67 expected the array across three starts this year He has a curve ball this year and a third more sliders So he's a very different pitcher So I think it's okay to put a lot more stock in three starts and he's been very good across the three starts He's not as good as the results have been but he's good enough to give a skepticism Around the pirates second against him, especially if the pirates not being the world's most elite offense lacking some key pieces. So Pirates are in play, but not a a must-must stack for tonight The cubs I'd probably put above them. I think they're a fine stack Facing kyle muller who does a good job of getting round balls Which does hurt the cubs but and the weather does too, but muller lets up some hard contact cubs have a 105 wrc plus against lefties They just got say sizuki off the il as well to help out there a bit So I don't mind the cubs. I just like the cardinals more I think the cubs probably pretty in line the pirates more I think about maybe I should put the pirates higher because it is course field But I think they're all kind of in the same tier cardinals. Maybe a smidge above that tier so Tearing it out for tonight for stacking brewers and rockies one two Cardinals a hair Above the rest and then the pirates and the cubs in the tier by themselves as well below those other options Let's finish up here with the dinger calls four or two day the boring one CJ cron is crushing the ball right now for the rockies and he's at course field Facing a lefty was struggling with hard contact. So I can't not pick cj crone cj crone. I think one of the easiest dinger calls We've had on the show here so far this year. He's a boring one the fun one I do want to go Lars new bar again. I like him because he has two sources of upside but Can go yards. We saw yesterday hit the ball pretty hard there So we're gonna go with cj crone and Lars new bar as the home run calls for today That's all we got here for today on the solo shot again I think it's a pretty fun slate where you will need a lot of points But honestly, I'm fine at that given the number of options we have we can be different without being dumb I think that is a quality slate as always Do not forget to subscribe to the number fire daily fantasy podcast feed Wherever you get your podcast. We are doing these every weekday right here on the same feed So go hit subscribe and if you like what you hear leave us a five star rating If you have any questions for me, I am on twitter at jim sanis j i m s a n n e s You can also follow the fan dual podcast network at fan dual podcast I want to thank you all for tuning in for today. Good luck to you with your mlb dfs lineups We'll talk to you once again tomorrow to break down Tuesday Slate. This has been the solo shot right here on the fan dual podcast network


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Cool looks like we should be live. Thanks everyone for joining another episode of the Excuse me OpenJS Foundation's cross-project council meeting Today's the second day of the third month Yeah, thanks everybody for joining How about we get started with some announcements Oh We have lots of them today So first off tomorrow is the JS trends panel that we're doing This is gonna go out on YouTube like our AMAs Really excited about this. It's a continuation of that panel that we've been doing last couple years at OpenJS world and Alex Williams and Liz Parity and Chris Andacek and Nick Misi are all gonna Just get together and talk and we had sort of like a preview chat yesterday that was super fun So if you're available to You know tune in for that live would love to have you But also just be on the lookout and help us promote that because it's gonna be super it'll be a fun combo So that's that's tomorrow at like 11 or noon Eastern One Eastern I'm trying to get all my time together. I think it's 10 Pacific noon central one Eastern Dylan's not on this call Dylan's on Pacific for this. Oh, that's right Not to mention every other time zone in the world, but go on Okay, so so the next things are the standards working group is Meeting next week and we've got lots of Comments and so far on our different strategic directions. We've talked to several projects. We still want to talk to more projects So if you are at all interested in informing how the standards working group can impact You know web standards or also provide value to your projects Please let us know in the hash standards channel and slack workspace so we can set up time to talk We also use freshly this morning have two proposals that we want to develop for further review So if you're interested in getting involved, please Please chime in and let us know It also happens that next week we conflict with the CPC working group meeting, which is next Tuesday as well so we're gonna have to just Do do a little switch up and watch the issues for an update on the standards working group time Change so that we can make that happen and then books club. That's another thing. That's happening We're gonna make a thing if you're interested in talking about naughty egg balls latest book Working in public. We're tentatively scheduling that for March 24th And so that's going to go on the public calendar Or if you just want to share books or papers or things you've been reading the hashtag Book club channel in slack is quite fun. We're having a good time So join us for a book club meeting. We'll talk about that. You can have tea or wine whatever your time zone and then Open JS world Well, I want to say thank you to everybody who submitted We're in the act of reviewing CFPs right now and thank you to those who are taking time to do that And the programming committee is meeting again on Thursday We meet every Thursday and we'd love to have you Just again, these are events that are on the public open JS calendar So you can add that to your calendar and get the notification in your local time and that's what I have for an outfit today Yeah, and not only, you know We have the meeting coming up, but also we're looking for folks to help review CFPs, right? So if anybody wants to help, please let us know and You know the more the merrier there for sure Cool Anything board related? We had the board meeting last week. I don't remember anything specific. Sarah. Do you remember anything? No, nothing decided that I'm still new to this but nothing decided that I That I think is new to this to this group Congratulations on your first meeting Sarah. Thank you. Thank you. I learned a lot great great great great I'm cool So I Will jump into the agenda then And the first thing on the list here is criteria to move to emeritus Or however people say that I think some people say it differently, and I never know what's right in the world So this is an issue I'm trying to catch my brain up here Did we have a PR that references this to yeah, there's a couple things here Toby created an off-boarding checklist which was Merged and then we have the emily created a two-thirds vote for emeritus require consent rather than two-thirds vote There's Some comment wasn't that blocking on board approval. Yeah, that reminds me we did have the vote on that And that's something we should have brought that so yes that that was approved the the question that actually came up was With or without the comments because there's some comments making suggestions So the net was the board approved this with or without the comments so we should either Accept the two comments that are there and land or not accept the two comments and land And it would be good for us to decide which and then you know if we want to change it after that we would potentially need to go back for another vote Um, and so another vote would be you know, it could be done over email or something. So yeah, we can do it over email if we want to You know that we've hopefully maximized the chances here of You know if there's consensus to you know, Toby had made a couple of suggestions, right? You know, it's basically in cases where there's lack of project ownership a two-third vote from this piece required in cases A slightly bigger change was what was being suggested Yeah, Toby do you want to comment here? Yeah, I was trying to find the issue. Sorry. Um Yeah, I think essentially what I'm what I was suggesting was um to Be more clear about the fact that if the project maintainers didn't respond the cpc could just make a decision by itself Um, and then both and you know, just simplified in all cases um The it was consensus driven and didn't necessarily require a two-third of the voices in one case and the other because I just didn't really see Why one case would need more of an agreement than the other? I think I wanted to weigh in just to share um contextually That this has occurred twice so far in our foundations um history where our project has wanted to move into emeritus in one case the project maintainers were interested in in moving on and we're either going to transition the project to emeritus or Or if they weren't able to find Um maintainers to take over the project We were able to do that and so we transitioned that to new leadership and the project just still going strong as an out large And then the second case is this more recent case with pet where we've actually I should say I've actually been working with Patrick lock and some of the folks in the jQuery side for several months preparing for these final kind of Things and just didn't do a very good job surfacing that that was That this was going to happen Um, so, you know, I think we've had two different examples of sort of like the next the project moving to a different thing, uh, and that we can kind of learn from So the um Should we make a decision on these comments or um, I think that would be good like if we can agree and and just land because We either have like delay if we don't agree with one of the two which is like with or without the comments um And I don't know if we need to delay Unless people are like have strong feelings kind of thing one way or the other I mean, this is not a big issue, right? No, like I literally like you can Yep, you know personally I just added a comment because I thought I wouldn't it made more sense this other way But like I literally like don't care Yeah, and that's where I'm like if people just look at it and say yes Let's just add them and land it if people don't immediately say you see Yes, let's land it as is and you know, we could handle is the follow on if we think it's important I think if it brings more clarity then we should just accept that and move forward Yeah, I'm a plus one for just adding those comments All right, well, we got a couple plus ones. Um, cool. Well, let's just do that then Okay, so I will add a comment saying, you know, we agreed to We agreed to add in the cpc meeting There was And based on the board further To a follow on Well, I maybe drop that in the notes too. Um I will uh move on Yep, the next issue is 7 11 um This is rename master branches Uh, we've got a uh checklist here So this is an issue. Um, and we've got a checklist here that has a few things left over Toby you've got Michael did a whole bunch of work. So thank you for that and and then there's a later on checklist That's um We've only got a couple of checked off as well Yeah, I I've been following that so I can speak a little bit to it Sendil's been doing a lot of work in terms of submitting prs. So thank you very much for that. Thank you I'm I'm what I wanted to request here was sort of a mass fast track Um, you know, it seems to me this is this falls into the we're not really changing anything category um, and so how can we like Not have to chase people to get you know approvals and all that like maybe we can sort of Hear doing approval to land all of these What do people think with that or is it like it's perfectly fair to say no no no Let's just follow their standard process too. I'm just thinking of like, how do we How do we efficiently handle things which really aren't changing anything in terms of, you know actual content? So I'm happy to do mass fast track here I just think the question is getting like the right eyeballs to check that we're not making mistakes Um, and I also don't think it's a common enough issue to actually like add some process to do this Let's just do it for this time and be done with it Exactly. It's a one-timer And if we actually break something well, there'll be a broken link somewhere, right? Like I don't think it's a huge impact either. So I'm the web a broken link Exactly. It'll be the first one, right Yeah Let's go ahead. I was going to say these these are all like a lot of just, you know, mastered ahead changes and I'm all for just kind of moving forward on those so maybe what I was suggesting is I can open an issue which is like One issue which is like fast track approval for these set of links And if a few people can just sort of go through and plus plus one not You know, we'll we'll assume that like two or three TSC member You're sorry CPC members doing that is enough and then we can go land them all that makes sense Yeah, and um The links would be links to the prs that are making the changes and the Assumption would be anybody who kind of gave the fast track approval also went through and just looked at them and and you know kind of verify that that's There's nothing beyond those those kind of uh search and replace sort of things Yeah, basically have done enough to say yeah comfortable these lands, right? Yeah, okay Yeah, if you could just make that clear in the comments. Um, I'd be happy to help there So if you have anything, you know tag me or whatever and I'll jump in sure Yeah, I'll basically create an issue copy that we've got right now eight prs So I'll just copy the links which are in this issue in the fast fast track request I'll ccu and cpc in general and you know, hopefully we'll get two or three people and then go ahead and land Sounds good. That's good. Okay And then um, does that wrap up this issue would that wrap up this issue as well? There's still a couple like there's open gs user feedback that somebody needs to take a look at Okay, and test easy cla. So if you look at that list, there's two Two which are private. So I think actually the private ones are probably Okay, since they're not public anyway um So the the last two public ones I think we really want to look at are these the cla and the user feedback So once we we look at those and have a pr then you can close them out. Okay, cool. That makes sense um I can try to look at those soon and then we can maybe include it in that fast track Sounds good All right, great um excellence uh, this issue i'm surprised to see is um 707 this is the primary cpc director election which is closed and I closed it a few minutes ago Thank you Improving diversity and inclusion at the uh open j.s foundation We've kind of worked on this in a couple of working sessions so if sarah or toby or anyone else wants to um Give any sort of you know Bit of an update. Uh, that'd be great Are you want to go ahead Yeah, either of us is great. I think so uh last we met we talked about Opening the survey past just the cpc as it's such a small group that it would be easy to identify Who we are it's not very anonymous um our Goal so our next step is next steps. I understand them. Toby correct me if i'm wrong are to Find someone that could work with us um on the data science level to make sure that any That we're being thoughtful about Uh survey data In general as well as to have things reviewed by the legal team when they are ready Um, I do not believe we have a final version of the survey. Toby. Am I? And we got so So now that we so that may be next steps Um, we can spend next week working on it or we can actually maybe take a stab sometime over the next few days Getting at least a first version together. Um, so that we can spend next week discussing it. I think Uh, yeah That's as as much as I view of next steps Yeah, I think that that makes sense. I I frankly felt a bit overwhelmed by The complexity of actually running a survey like this following our conversation last week What's interesting, however, is I was in the in w3c's equivalent of This discussion this afternoon and they're exactly look, you know, exactly at the same place as we are Uh, thinking I would be really useful to do a survey to understand our membership better and see, you know What's up and who's doing what and and ask essentially asking the same questions. So it feels like there was some Interesting opportunities in the future to to have discussions with them. They suggested joining our call Um next week if we're open to that. So I don't know if that's actually possible. I imagine it is Um, but I think, you know, that might be like an interesting way forward to actually Create some assets that could be and and process that could be used by multiple organizations Not just ours and also maybe share the workload a bit more Yeah, I think that's fantastic that they join. Uh, We did. Uh, Jory and I talked to our legal counsel about that. We do have gdpr data retention issues Uh, to consider Best practices on right anonymization Aggregation and then how do you dump that data? How do you handle it? And we actually will be doing have more resources inside the linux foundation on research They're initially recommending our legal counsel that we look at a third party who does that who can handle it safely So lots of things to consider But yeah, I think we should probably reconvene next week. I don't know if you would have an urgency to create that Testing tool just yet until we solve the data privacy issue That sounds like a good plan. So maybe as next steps, uh, just have a conversation next week again Sounds good Wonderful Great And thank you for checking into all of that. That's great. It's great to have clarity because I felt that we were Like missing a lot of clarity there. So that that's a great, um outcome. Thank you Yeah, so I yeah, I think it's pretty clear that we're As we are today, I don't think we're equipped to to collect and you know manage that data So we have some work to do Awesome. Thank you. So if I could repeat that so if I could repeat that back to you So I think that makes a lot of sense. Um, and I think being thoughtful about the stuff is great. Um, would you say probably the In the meantime, do you think our best next course of action is I know you put together a list of resources that are super valuable I can imagine that those resources might be helpful to share if people were looking for help in their particular project, I suppose Uh a question for people in this group who are involved in projects is is this something people are looking for? Is this something that would be received? Well, um, is this something that it seems like people are interested in? Um, you know, we've been focusing on maybe proving a need to people before providing them With the resources. I wonder if we uh, if it makes sense to skip that part Or you know while we're learning about it in the meantime Provide resources So that's oh, sorry go ahead I was just gonna ask so the is this the like Let's move ahead without waiting for the survey type data or is it something different than that? Um, I just wondering if it would if that would make sense Yes, if if we feel like the survey data If we feel like these things need to happen in a specific order Or if with the survey data once we have the sort, you know, like if the survey data will influence the resources that we share Or if you know, we can identify the problem we can identify if there is a problem kind of async If that's if that's beneficial, right? Okay. So I want to clarify like the thought I had since the last meeting was That the I don't think we need data to Agree that there's something we should address, right? Like I think everybody's you know We're not we're not trying to figure out if there's something to address or not The the value of the data in my mind at least is Being able to show going forward that what we've done has actually made a difference So in that context, I'm like totally on the we should define what we want to do It shouldn't wait on getting data or anything like that The data should just be something that says like a year from now we can we can say that These five things which we did actually change the numbers Um, so I think that's a long way of saying, you know, I agree with the idea of just moving forward without blocking anything on that So I agree with you, Michael and Jay I'd like to point out that the other part of the conversation that we had at w3c today Was precisely about this question, right? So how what do we share? Why is it useful to a constituency? Do we do they care about it? How can they help? How much do we share? Do we do that now, etc? right, so um, uh, I think uh, you know that really brings me to think that a conversation If we can bring some of w3c's people over it would be great to so try to solve these You know have their input to that too And to be clear one of the questions that was brought up is How much do we share like how much is it good to share? Is it good to share like A lot of information at the risk of sort of like overwhelming people was like things that they're supposed to do Do you just share like, you know, tiny amounts to really help sort of like guide people through like, you know Succeeding steps like how do you do that? That was also questions that were asked Yeah, I think that's that's a key a key point Like I think, you know The simpler the better in my mind is the I know I know with your face with like, hey go read this hundred things and get on top of the whole issue That's some much bigger ass than here are three things you can do to help, right? Makes sense Yeah, I mean, I think yeah, I think I Yes, I also think that like I think the question is is that valuable or is that noise? I know I got it's I think it's hard to Establish that figure out what the answer to that is There's a symbolic dimension to having an organization like ours actually, um, you know publicly put out resources though Um, both in terms of what that says and also in terms of like vetting some resources at the expense of others That's also something to consider Yeah Robin, do you know anyone at chaos by any chance or do you have any, um Yeah, I know george at chaos Do you think they would be interested in partnering? Is that a crazy idea? No, I think we would be a great sort of real world use case. I do encourage you all to read Their content because they have some pretty good documentation. It's pretty concise So we're not starting at zero, but yeah, I'm sure they would partner with us So I'll invite him or one of his folks to our next planning session. That sounds amazing. That would be really helpful I think as uh, I don't want to speak for all of us, but I've definitely heard from everyone individually that um We're a little bit out of our depth, but really well intentioned Sometimes that is very dangerous Yeah Yeah, yeah, this I'm glad we're having like a frank discussion about this topic today because I I felt uh You know the same concern Jory you dropped something in the chat I did um, so this is adjacent to this conversation But um, there's a community on this sustain oss discord That's been meeting around, you know diversity equity and inclusion um You know the topic did your um and one of the things that um, they're kind of trying to build out which is related to And what we've been discussing is sort of like a checklist of things that projects can do And to signal that they are Uh a welcoming community and so this is just a hack and deal with some of that initial pivot things so to speak and so if you were interested in Helping to fill that out. I'm sure this could possibly be useful But again adjacent to what we're doing not the not the same Um, if anybody could drop maybe just a couple of bullet points into the dock for uh, this issue That might be helpful um And otherwise well, we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about next week's working session in a few minutes once we get through our agenda um So in the interim I'll I'll move on unless we want to talk about this any further Cool Great, so uh, moving on the um next item is google summer of code 2021 The the deadline is passed. So I don't know if we should just close this issue Um Does anybody have any objections to that I'm not sure, you know, brian's not here. I'm not sure if we've had Any interest So I will close it. Yeah, I would say just close it. Cool. Um, next up is, uh, the Provide implementation guides for dco and cl a Toby would I would I refer to you on this or is brian working on this? Yeah, no, like, um, I I did my part like we're just waiting on brian to do it's been so long I I I don't remember what it is. But like I know like I don't have anything to do with it anymore Yeah, yeah And I don't mean this by the way just to be clear it's like this on on brian not having done the thing Like there's a whole bunch of reasons why it's like it's been taking time I just I it's I don't remember what it is about anymore. Like he had to do something And I don't know what it is. So just there was an upstream PR series of prs that he was making into the pro bot dco bot Which is a fun thing to say pro bot dco bot and those were being reviewed and Incorporated so that we could then have a dco bot tool that we recommended out that was the that was the thing that we were blocked on Do you have so much more context than I do? I'm just glad you provided that. Thank you Yeah, I've been having good conversations with the maintainer on that so oh great and and you know recently or or Okay, great. So it's it's still a hot tata um maybe Jory if or someone could just pop a little note in this issue that would be great even though I know, you know Brian has more context something might be helpful Cool, um, and then last on the agenda is the sunsetting checklist Uh, moving over to the project status Repository and cleaning up some templates. We've got some approvals here and it's I'm at the time limit. So it could land but folks want to take a look at it. They're they're welcome to It's really feeling me straight forward, right? It's the other thing that we agreed to just brought to that repository as it should be So there's there's like nothing new in there So it sounds like Toby if you want to go ahead and land and You know if there's no more comments by tomorrow or something you should feel free to do that Okay, I'll lend it the next time I look at it perfect uh So that is it for our agenda um We maybe had jory remembered the half thing that's uh, she was going to mention Um, and then we can talk about next week's working session, which is perhaps related Uh, yes. So I we did want to report that we had one issue from a code of conduct issue surface from a project that was delegated to the reports group And we are taking a moderation action um for on behalf of the grant project And but we also agreed in our conversation that is part of our like transparency a process that we should probably start reporting to the cpc When these groups meet and take an action. So just uh transparently reporting that that's that's happened or happening Great Thank you. Um I uh, so it seems like there's d and i work that we could do for um next week And I there was mention of maybe working on moderation Uh In some working session, but maybe uh, we just save that For a future working session Sorry what moderation Um, the the the the coc report recently and just kind of you know making sure that's um Our processes in place, uh, and that we handle things properly and that we we have you know, maybe even document some more about Reporting to the cpc and whatnot just kind of making sure that we're doing our due diligence And we kind of did some work and then we let it sit and then now something happened and I I want to make sure that we're doing things right and uh that that were Things were properly documented and such That's great. I'm actually yeah, that's that's great that we're thinking about it I don't know if I miss a meeting or if this is another context. Um, I'm not aware of that situation, but I think that seems if if if the focus is d and i support and um Uh, that seems like I don't want to to be I'd love to hear your thoughts and I don't mean to hijack But if focus is d and i support, um, the that seems like a uh Really good Not to crack as well. Um, I wonder if we could do both or I wonder if we could uh I I just I just pasted two links in which is our current like we do have a documented process Yeah, yeah, yeah links in I think you know the joe mentioned We might need to we discussed some updates that I don't think we just closed on them. So Yeah, I think with a lot of our processes they were developed when the foundation was formed And this is the first time that we've applied a real world Scenarios you just learn and so you again you may have to do some more documentation Or just clarification. So yeah, and I I I this um I don't know how to say this but um, I think if if like so for example, sarah If you have an interest in this sort of work, I I know, you know If you wanted to be on that email list and a part of the group that's Response to these sorts of things or anyone on the call. I think it's fair to say, you know, just let us know and we'll include you Yeah, please. I do that. Um It's kind of my job My day job. So that sounds great great If the questions sarah that you asked earlier was shouldn't we work on this next week because there's an emergency Instead of on something else and also these two things are related i.e. a broken code of conduct is not really A conducive to an inclusive environment, I think that's a very good point Right, and I I don't think um, I mean, you know, it's probably actually more effective to um organize The calls that we want to do was uh, george from chaos and and the w3c And like it was a longer time span than a week anyway Um, you know, so maybe we can, you know, do all of these things in parallel and focus on this next week Jory yeah, I just want to clarify and Our process actually Has worked really well. It's just it's highlighted and some gaps that we want to fill so We're the group and the reporter are very pleased with our sla on this so far. So, uh, this has actually been Good, but it's highlighted some things that we can improve on and I just want to just say that Out loud. There's no this was not a broken process this time sorry Yeah, and there is a lesser sense of urgency to as a result, I assume Yeah, I wouldn't consider it urgent. I just thought since it's topical since it's fresh, you know Maybe it makes sense to just clarify some things review discuss It does seem like it's a good like, you know, when when it's fresh in the minds This is a good time. Yeah, and it seemed to me Correct me if I'm wrong, but with with the other initiative It wouldn't be bad to wait a week, you know, like toby said plan to meet with somebody some folks and and You know come regrouped Yeah, and uh, you know as it was, um, I think it's important to Like this is actually something that has concrete impact on how people feel in the community Yeah Which is kind of different than running a survey Yeah in terms of impact And I think immediately kind of, you know, for lack of a better term Retrospecting um, and and taking it very seriously also is good great, so then, um, the plan will be to, uh, Work on that next week and, um Tentatively plan for more d and i work Of the following working session If you can share upfront the timings of both of those so that I don't screw it up when I actually reach out to people to try to get them involved That would be wonderful. I was gonna just say the same thing or tell me maybe you and I coordinate Sure offline. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, okay And to be clear the working sessions now are in the calendar, uh, the open js calendar Um, and it's essentially the working session is always at the same time In the following week of the most recent meeting so like this time Next week And then, you know, when we do the earlier meeting the immediately following working session is at that same time If that makes sense I feel like I make it more confusing when I actually say it out loud Uh, but that's part of the reason why I put in the calendar so Um, and then I think if we get to a point where we don't have anything for next week's working session I would just go and delete that calendar invite so that it's not on people's calendar Cool, um Maybe jory, uh, you and I can offline async, uh, just you know, uh, some sort of agenda for next week and Great. Is there anything else that we want to or need to talk about? I can't think of anything Well, there's like a ton but like for today in the next 15 minutes probably not If we're being honest, yeah Um cool, well then I'll let everybody go unless anybody wants to hang out and chat um I'd love to hang out and chat for a few But yeah, but only people want to I'm a thousand percent sure this observation has been made but joe. It seems like a real Oversight to have not painted that wall green green. Yeah. Yeah Well, you can chroma key on on any color So, okay, great. Yeah, good. Yeah. Yeah This was my son's like hangout playroom and then I we switched and so now I have it But I do like the blue wall it confuses my camera a lot I always have to go in and adjust its settings to like try and make me not be like really bright red But um, but yeah, it is a nice wall. I like it. It's great Um, I like it too Here's a topic of business. Um Jordan just reminded me That next week is the tc 39 meeting Um, and so if you would like to you know weigh in on anything feel free to harass your local tc 39 rep Um on the proposals you care. I'm just kidding. Obviously. That's a joke But but it's worth going and taking a look at the At the agenda for those interested and and uh, yeah The deadline for adding things for advancement was last saturday morning. So Theoretically all the important stuff that's there that's going to be there is on that theoretically So I'll ask a selfish question. Do the do our reps ever come back and kind of say like here's what happened at the meetings Do they ever come back? They're like I meant like it's sort of like here's what you needed to know if you know When you weren't there kind of thing or what's important to the open jess foundation or because I I'd be really curious But I admit i'm not going to spend Yeah time to go figure that out on my own. That's a great question I mean they we do in the standards working group sort of discuss if there's something that seems particularly But one of the things that that we're trying to kind of systematize is how to make that and More useful like a more useful potential broadcast out to projects like here's a proposal That's interesting maybe to you and how it will impact in that kind of thing So that's that's one of the sort of sub projects that we're trying to carve out and make some progress on So Come on up to the next working group meeting and help us figure that out there Michael Dawson All the next one is conflicts with the working session so And the and the meeting itself so it looks like probably the simplest thing Will be for us to postpone our standards working group meeting that I was so excited about earlier on the call But if most of our group is going to be you know either on the working group call or at the meeting Um All right, cool One last thing just to shout out if any of you all Project people are shipping anything Please flag to rachel Even just ballparking if it's coming in a week a day a month two months Just so she can get it on our editorial calendar and we can make a big splash Um, I'm reminded um in slack The no j s social team, which is just tyranny and me Has a Group handle, you know, you can do at no j s social team and he and I will both get alerted Um, I wonder I mean everybody knows that rachel's the person to mention but uh, if we had a shorthand open j s social or open j s pr That might be easier for everybody to remember and Tag, I don't know. We don't have a lot going on. So maybe it doesn't matter Jory got a keyboard Yeah, so my these just came in the mail and they're gorgeous and I'm so excited Nice piece. I just have to share since we're at that stage of the meeting We'll hear you clanking in future meetings I got um a refurbished apple magic keyboard and I think it's um, you know, it's Uh Is it from china? I don't I'm I'm I'm not familiar enough to know but I've got extra characters and stuff Cool. Yeah I like looking at that That is cool joe I also got a motorcycle recently. Um, you know, what else can we talk about careful? It's actually my second I got to sell the old one, but yeah, it's exciting Anybody else getting into dangerous hobbies that you want to share like keyboards and motorcycles dangerous hobbies Yesterday, I talked to my partner out of battle boats And then we're talking about that being a fun idea that doesn't sound like a fun idea Isn't that what happened at a trump parade or something sorry, I mean I'd watch that tv show I'd watch that tv show too We're still alive, you know that yeah, we're still


had been tough on this offense all afternoon was there a renewed sense of life when they went to the pen in the eighth yeah man he's one of the best pictures in the game you know he says his number show it is his repertoire you know the picture shows it getting up to a hundred miles an hour you know we really couldn't figure him out he had our number all you know all game but you know that's the thing about this lineup is we're able to work pictures down work pictures down and then finally get to that bullpen and it'll make some happen. Could you feel the momentum shift when Anderson booted that ball in that eighth inning? You know it's tough to say you know definitely felt a little slain the crowd got into it a little bit more on that play and anytime you get runners on base it's kind of this place kind of came alive for us with Yankee fans so it was a momentum kind of switched there and then it just you know took the guys the play to do their job. Just three games but Anthony Rizzo once again proved to be clutched what has impressed you most about him since he's joined this team you know you know as a person as a clubhouse guy he's already fitting in you know he's cracking jokes he's having fun with all of us you know he's talking about what he's seeing at the plate and then you know in the box you know a guy that's never gives in a bad away you know it's from the very first pitch to the last pitch you know he's given a hundred percent and you know just a true leader you know something you know he's gonna fit right in with us it's been fun to watch. What type of reception do you think he'll receive at the stadium tomorrow? Oh it's gonna be it's gonna be a good reception I think you know just based on his track record and what type of player he is and what he's done so far in these three games I think the fans are gonna love him. Can you describe the energy that this team received with all the moves that were made at the trade deadline? Yeah it was big you know it's kind of funny I was actually talking with with DJ out in center field before the first game he said hey man you know different type of energy you know walking in the clubhouse today you know you kind of feel like the New York Yankees you know just you know just that extra life you know just looking at that lineup card and seeing those those names the lineup was pretty up and down you know it's never never an easy at bat. Aaron thanks for the time. Thank you.


Yes! Yes! Yes! Ooh, hit her again! Yes! What's good, John Shebault-Raw's back out again with another video. So, I know you're probably wondering what happened to the Monday Night Raw live streaming reactions. Well, me and Dubb, we went to the Astros World Series Celebration Parade. We've been up since about like six, seven this morning.  It was pretty hot, but we had a good time. So, when we finally was able to get back home, I told him, look, I need to get some rest. I don't think Dubb got home until like, damn, an hour before the show started. I needed some rest. He needed some rest. We was just really tired just from being out there all day and walking up and down the downtown streets, man. So, yeah, shout out once again to the two-time Astros, man. So, that's why you see I have the gear. I'm just waking up from my nap and I got some glorious messages.  And the beats came from me and him returning to WWE. I got to watch this for myself. I have to make this video. I literally got up out of bed and I was like, oh, let me set up the camera recording stuff. And let's get this going because I need to see this for myself. I've been waiting so long to see her catch the beats. This is finally happening. Oh, I can't wait, man. This is going to be great, bro. I'm very excited. So, appreciate everyone that was letting me know what's going on. I'm about to just, I'm just about to have a great time watching Ria catch all the mother. The beats. Let's watch this together, man. Let's see how this was set up. What led to the beats being caught by her? Let's do this thing. But it's definitely looking like after you can't now. It looks like Seth may be a face, bro. It looks like definitely Seth has more transition into a face for the simple fact that a heel, all heel faction is coming down to the ring and it doesn't look good. And he's all by himself. That's what it's looking like to me. It's looking like he's clearly now a baby face. I mean, he's getting a lot of baby face reaction. He's doing the open challenge stuff more. That's more of a baby face thing to do. So I don't know, but it's from just to set up alone. It looks like Seth Rollins is becoming more of a baby face. Let me kind of speed through this. You know, he's surrounded right now. Doesn't really have any help to pick with you.  Oh, I like how they're bringing this up. Obviously, if you guys don't know, I think the match with a announced the Universal Championship when it was first unveiled, he ended up winning it. But he got injured in that match due to Seth Rollins. It wasn't on purpose. Obviously, he ended up getting injured. So he had he wanted, but he had to relinquish the title. So and that's when we end up, I believe, getting Kevin Owens winning the Universal Championship. So so I'm going to cost you gold. I like I really do like they're bringing up situations because we never really got any conclusions of what happened there. So we're finally getting some type of mention of that. I can't appreciate the continuity of talking about this because that that ultimately changed them by this trajectory because he was supposed he wanted, but it changed his trajectory for sure. So as far as your open challenge for the United States Championship goes, uh-oh, we ain't done. We're not done. Of course, obviously they they wanted to the smoke. Seth is just like, uh, I'm gonna just I'm gonna just back out of this. Sessa, you know what? I don't want no part of this. Yeah, they got some beef. I'm it's far from over. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. AJ being that's over is the judgment day. The club, the OC is sold news. So as far as I'm concerned, the three of you can go against the four of you of you to take care of our real problem.  But there's just a moment. Yes.  Oh, yes. I didn't get to see the beautiful beautiful shot. Show me again. Show me again. Yes. Give him the beat. Yes. Please don't really get in the beat. Come on. Please. Please. Where's the shot? I need the shot. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, hit her again. Yes. I love this. Oh, I wish the crowd was more into this like I am. Oh, that was good to see. I needed to see more. I want to see more. We didn't get to see the initial. Oh, we get to see the initial attack.  No, yeah, I just I just need to see it one more time. And I just need us. I wish we could have seen the initial attack. Oh, we heard it, but we didn't see. We got to we got to run it back. Oh, yeah, but she didn't seem really laying. Well, I'm okay with it. Oh, I wish we could have seen more. We needed more just more of the beat down. Oh, oh man. I wish we could have seen more of the beat down. She really went easy on her. Oh, damn it. Either way that I'm good, bro. I'm done. I'm done. I'm happy. My Astros won the World Series again. And Rhea Ripley caught some some some of the beats. She didn't get all of the beats. Me and him really spared her. I really wish. I mean, she just lay into her because Rhea deserves it. But either way, this was a fun segment and it looks like we have all of our war games match, man. The OC versus the Judgment Day at war games.  Oh, it's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. They're going to have a good. This is going to be fun. I cannot wait to see this man. Whoo, I feel good. She could have did more. Wanted to do more, but that's okay. I know at some point, Rhea is going to get those beats she deserve. Comment down below. Let me know. Did you guys enjoy this segment? Did you guys enjoy Rhea getting some type of some type of punishment for all her all her evil deeds, man? Let me know down below because I definitely enjoyed it. I wish it was a little bit more, but we're going to get that hopefully soon. But I appreciate all of support. Road to a hundred K. Appreciate y'all kicking with me. See y'all next week. Peace.