that we got extra stuff yeah i'm not i'm not yeah i'm not well we'll get nice and close to talking about probably what a lot of people have been waiting for us to talk about the ending ending ending um well all right then if if we try and get some re going here it's um uh the frontman basically tells him you guys bet on horses we bet on humans that's why we do what's the why for all of this the awesome why does any of this happen yeah but they don't usually shoot the horses that are winning the race because it's more interesting if some of it was more fair it's such a i don't know such a bullshit analogy well we can so full of shit we can go over it just because we're getting close to the big topic of Oldman soon but we'll definitely do a recounting of like fairness world building villainous characters all the squid game people we'll do it yeah gihan gets dropped off in the middle of town with a i guess a debit card in his in his mouth and that card opens up an account that's filled with the money that he's won um then i think we yeah so he um he's just silent basically uh and moping through the whole town after what he's been through kind of understandable yeah um he sees song why don't i forget his what do i forget his name song you song songwoo songwoo songwoo um sees his mom and she's like have you seen him are you okay and uh she um she offers him some money to like help him out and i was like aww and and food i think and i think i think she says for your mother as well and it's just like i don't know it's just something of you know after everything this like always just like you okay you take some food look after yourself it's just like yeah she's she's nice she's a really nice lady she's a really nice lady yeah it's it's such a worse hell out here than it is game she is not like her son probably she is a lot more i guess pure in a way yeah she says your mom needs the cash more than i do um and yeah he gets home his mom's dead he didn't make it in time and uh there's a lot of i've seen i've just seen so much analysis of that and what point the show is making i feel like we should try and maybe summarize a bit more before going over these events but we skip one year forward in time i believe is it one about a year it's at least a year and a half okay if you think about it because they're playing the games in like from june until somewhere in the middle of summer and then when we skip forward it's a year and then it's also around christmas time so i'm thinking a year to a year and a half something in that range i'm not sure regardless it's been some time one year later oh well it does say one year later but it's also winter when it was in the middle of summer when they played the game so i'm a little confused fair enough um it's been some time and he's summoned to his bank because they're like why haven't you spent any of your money and um i'm not sure he gives them much of anything in terms of reasoning at this point he's not really interested in having the conversation um and i think he even asked them for he asked for 1001 right yeah for the bus yeah then he's having himself a little drink on by the side of the the water and there's a person with roses i think he buys the mafia and there's a card in the rose that's the squid game card which is like goldenie i think mm-hmm so he rings it and it's from his gunbow oh shit turns out goodness oldman is not dead oldman oh my god is in a bed not doing so great and uh well we got a big long conversation that i feel like it's going to be tough to summarize here um anyone else want to give it a shot like um oh let me pull it up um i didn't have netflix it's like meanwhile mm-hmm so we're talking so we're talking about specifically um well the scene they share it's quite like long uh yeah oh it is yeah gihan basically gets there and it's like it's oldman what the hell like how is it even possible that you're alive um and then uh he basically like explains to him that he chose to participate in the games he's actually very wealthy and he just wanted to feel something like at all um you know to relive his childhood of games that that's um that super simplicity that comes from when you're young and you're just playing silly games with your friends time doesn't matter nothing else matters in the world you're just having fun with your friends and it's so simplistic and so just it's this wonderful childlike kind of thing that especially as you get older you miss you can't you can never go back to that again and recapturing that is something that's immensely precious and he's very cynical about humans or humanity and yeah and also simultaneously he wants to prove to himself and everyone that deep down humans will just fuck each other over and they won't help each other because that's what humans are like it's a very interesting dichotomy between that aspect of his intentions and I just want to reconnect with the joy of my childhood I mean presumably he sees himself as different or maybe he doesn't and he thinks it's reliable that humanity won't help each other out rather they would step over each other and that's obviously being illustrated by the hobo outside who is just freezing to death on the sidewalk um nobody's helping and he wants to do a bet a game if you will will anyone help him before the stroke of midnight um Gihan is Christmas I think because this this takes place on December 24th yeah I think it does so it's so that means that stroke of midnight is Christmas which is the time of giving it's definitely winter but I'm pretty sure it is I think it is I think it is December 24th but you might want to might double check I'm not sure the point is it's fucking cold mm-hmm but I wonder if there was any kind of thing they were going for or if it's just a special day it's like when he wins the the the money at the horse races at the very beginning how it kind of matches his number I think that was just a little like hey hey hey from the writers it wasn't like anything meaningful for the the actual story the plot um I mean Christmas is notorious for a time of sharing and giving right and being with each other and stuff so yeah yeah there's been simpletisms there uh yeah you sure timed it right I mean damn at least you didn't die before then eh yeah for timing um I'm just because just want to make sure we don't quite miss anything super meaningful quote ways just that I hadn't rewatched this scene I probably should have I guess uh something that's worth noting is just how nihilistic Gihan is that he just happily well not happily but he bets all of his money and that bet he just doesn't care anymore yeah he's at this point from what we've learned just from listening to him speak he's completely lost any and all investment in everything yeah he seems to become entirely apathetic yeah the people he cared about they died he's got all this money but I don't know he feels he's super guilty about it it's his blood money to him yeah all these other people died so I could have this money and I just yeah it's he has survivors guilt and yeah in a way seems yeah and all man just talks about he just wanted to feel again um and times it is running out yeah go ahead for midnight of course and it's unclear on if he saw it but hoberman there's someone who crosses hoberman's path and it's unclear but it almost looks as if he's he mugs him or at least like takes his takes his wallet yeah something damn turns out guy comes by that guy actually went off to go and get a police car to bring back to help this guy out so it's like ah yay humans aren't the worst thing ever but it's unclear on whether or not old man even saw that before he died because he he leaves this plane at midnight yes and just in gihun typical fashion he wins at the very possible last last second yeah yeah some people have all the luck um and yeah they give us a little flashback of the guy who's wearing like the owl mask too who's the old man it's like yeah okay if that makes sense why did he survive episode six I guess he he viewed himself out right because it's his game as well yeah but there it does does that not undermine a bit of the emotional payoff six that he didn't actually die you'd have to be more specific okay so I think it would have been interesting hypothetically whether we saw this or not if you know at the end of episode six the guy comes in with the gun and he doesn't he doesn't think he should kill him because you know he's the head of the games but he's like no I mean I played the game this is a risk I chose this shoot me I don't understand why he survives and that they let him survive it undermines the sacrifice he makes for our main character certainly not from Gihan's perspective in episode six it's all real as far as he can tell yeah no yeah it doesn't undermine well he doesn't know but it undermines it undermines I think his he's playing he wants he's been washing the game for so long and he's like I'm gonna play the game well he won I don't have one to live remember he won but Gihan fucked him over and he let he just allowed him to it seems like he really did make a a host decision he should have died I don't know about that he should have died I don't know I don't know I think I would have liked it more if he did die but in fact I'm pretty sure I would have liked it more if he died and we got something different at the end but I don't know it's weird and complicated the way I see it is that for all we know it could have been that he was willing to die in red light green light he was willing to die in the honeycomb game if it had it happened but this was one where Gihan like cheated him to try and win he let him get away with it to let him continue in the game and that he was just like yeah I ain't dying I'll just watch the rest of it now I don't like that at all I don't know I don't I don't understand what that says I don't understand what that says about his character also that whole episode is about what he feels is his friendship with Gihan it's really gone beyond the games at that point yeah I think it undermines the idea that chooses to let Gihan win in his place and let him continue with the game at the cost of his own life if he just doesn't actually die I mean the the fact is obviously he's a different character with the recontextualizing it like he's not the man we thought he was when he rewatched the show so his life was necessary may perhaps never at stake it depends on everything that he was intending I just see episode six the whole time it says testing Gihan's integrity I guess yeah well the old man was certainly attached to Gihan because of his charity and generosity yeah he pushes it to its limit on him being an old guy and then of course is what this guy is all about in the end he's like okay charity generosity for this old drunk guy on the street what do you say anybody gonna do it so it falls in line with what with old man's values and so Gihan was basically his best friend in his I don't think it falls in lines with his values that he didn't play the game fairly such that he had a chance of losing in the same way it wasn't fair to let Gihan win what do you mean it wasn't fair like he made that choice and that so he won and then he he threw the game he said so himself he's like yeah you you're tricking your friends that yeah I was aware of that by the way yes and then he says instead of like an all or nothing bad or something says here you go you can win in my place I feel like it undermines the idea that with nothing left to lose he's gonna play the game and damn the consequences if he actually loses one of these games if he is allowed an out where he doesn't actually have to die well again you have to think about how this isn't the character we thought he was the key there's lots of questions to ask did he know all these games beforehand in which case there wasn't fucking fair to begin with was it no it wasn't I'm inclined to believe he did he actually know games ahead of time so he didn't know you know it's hard to say I assume if he's been doing this for this long there's no way he's not aware of all these games was it possible to always do the same games all right let's say they have a roster of 30 to 50 to 100 he's gonna know them all isn't the implication that he started a squid game yeah the implication seems to be that he started it because him and his other like wealthy investor friends were just fucking bored which is also lame but we'll come back to that I don't think it makes like I I'm pretty torn on it I think it's lame as fuck that he wasn't actually playing the game on the same playing field or similar as close as he could get having organized it himself as everyone else and that he was just going to have an out regardless of the game and that he would never actually die and that his willingness to give to let Gihan win even though he cheated him because he has that emotional connection to him and he wanted to see and test how far he would go that he would that he just has an out and that he doesn't actually have to die or face the consequences of that decision I think that's fucking lame I mean he's he's a if you want to go in terms of like the the inconsistency or the hypocrisy of this man it's like there's a lot it seems to line up to me I'm fine with him bailing himself out when his interest was much more in the fun of the game and then the fact that he doesn't believe that humanity is in any way good to itself and then he comes across this guy who seems to be bucking that trend and so he puts him through the hardest test he fails it in a sense and then he's just like because I have a feeling that he probably would have let him win regardless out of the the sadness that he doesn't want this guy specifically to die I mean he takes a selfish path and he still spares him and I think he just ejects himself from the game nobody doesn't it doesn't really I okay so if if he lost any of the other games would he died I don't know I feel like that's important is he ever playing with the risk of dying or not I mean I would imagine that if he just there's gotta be right yeah yeah someone could have killed him in that during that because I'm picturing like a scene to be fair they stopped the fight as soon as as soon as he says like hey stop the fighting I'm scared but what if he'd been killed before if he had the chance to do that yeah I don't know it would make it would make sense if he was playing the game on a similar or comparable level as everyone else but the fact that he just has an out where he doesn't actually have to face the consequences I think that's I think the only one that he that's definitely couldn't have been spared would have been tug of war the others they may have been able to prevent the trigger or take him somewhere and we're just like oh what happened to him but I'm I'm relatively convinced that he would have been killed in them it's just that with episode six after what happened with him in Gihan he like holds up his hand to the guy who's about to shoot him it's just like no I want to see how this plays out and since he's the boss I guess it's just he vetoes himself like I said if you're like if you're wondering about his integrity as a person like like that's not fair you didn't play on the same level as everyone else like yeah I don't think he did no I just think it's if we are comparing but he never go ahead if if if we are if I'm weighing up a squid game where the old man is a normal contestant like everybody else and it plays out versus what we got if we're weighing up a hypothetical versus what we had I think I would have I think I would have liked it more if the old man had actually died and he wasn't like the mastermind of all of it but I think that that's my preference I think I would have liked that more I agree with that but I think the hypothetical I mean maybe this I I'm not saying it's unrealistic that he didn't commit to the principles that would say no I need to play the game that he would give himself an out it's not unrealistic but I just think it's narratively incredibly unsatisfying if there's a if there's two versions of squid game one in which he's the mastermind the whole time and that he organized these games but he actually played them as a contestant and shows to sacrifice himself for Gihan because of the kindness he showed him despite what he ends up doing to trick him versus the one where he didn't really die in that situation he got see what happened afterwards I would choose the former Yeah the idea that the old man was just a contestant like everyone else he does die he does make that sacrifice and it is in some way gives Gihan kind of this motivating factor or it does something for him that it that can be used later on specifically him I I think I would have liked that better I feel I did I think this works for me way more that idea because I'm people saying he wasn't chained to the rope I'm pretty sure he is Yeah surely he would have been right looks like he is there are there are some shots that suggest that like his hand is kind of covering it in some shots and actually see whether he's chained to it so I'm not sure can I just point out we have a comment here I see more plot holes in this EFAP than I do in squid games it's like you all didn't even watch it Oh I think we watched it Thanks for providing the argument like we literally are watching it like right now all 10 hours I watched it I've watched it half times you know I've seen half of it twice and half of it once you know if I'm missing certain details you know feel free to correct me with the correct information but otherwise shut the fuck up well yeah I we can't do anything with that loyal viewer we can't we can't do anything with that yeah I don't know yeah that's not very helpful you're gonna do better so what's it Rags just say I would have liked it better if the old man didn't broke my heart no I'm arguing for the thing that would have had more emotional he's saying you would have had his heart broken more if uh yeah yeah I I think the payoff would have worked way better or the character would have worked way better for me if he had actually died but well I guess we could discuss it more or move on like because there's a lot I guess there's a lot to cover because we have the whole his conversation in the room and how does that play out with the fairness how does that hit oh I was bored with my if we're gonna go to my rich we're gonna go like 15 or so minutes left of the show so if we summarize that and then we can talk about anything so he dies his hair red ehan this confused the fuck out of many people I think that it's supposed to be him just sort of it's kind of taking control of his own life which is this is a the first step to doing that well a lot of people that's something that people do I'm I'm in I'm in charge I'm in control I'm taking over I'm making the decisions in a small way to express that is to dye your hair that's something I control it's up to me maybe it's also to like leave his old self behind too I guess yeah potentially well I have to say in the the thing with rich people and really poor people is that like this nothing is like fun whatever like there's nothing that stimulates everything it's just the same or whatever I took going with an extravagant hair color as possibly the the most strange color he could go with and that's just to try and this is the beginning of trying to make something of his life even if being hyper rich can make things meaningless the things I like your interpretation better there's a funny interview I found the writer director said that he liked the red hair color because it symbolized his rage and that's really funny to me because it just makes him a clown it doesn't it doesn't make me think rage that doesn't work yeah that doesn't work yeah because he yeah he sees it on a he seems bored when he's kind of getting it but I guess he I like mine wait mine is better fuck it I'm saying mine is better than yeah I mean I'm all for death of the authors you know well I feel like mine and rags can coexist and absolutely they happily they do now that's what this is about all right ignore the guy there we go that's that is the so yeah look polka dot man was not fucking egotist narcissist okay don't don't trust james gun he was fucking he was a nice guy wrong um yeah so you get his hair done here I guess I'm not entirely clear on this I'd have to watch it and really look into all the dialogue but he gets the Andrew's brother pulled out of presumably the an orphanage and he gives the kid to um uh song who's adopted essentially uh with money she doesn't realize his money in there until he's he's long gone um and then Gihan commits to getting on to that train to get to an airplane with his money to go and finally see his daughter but on the way he spots that even though old man's dead squid game is still recruiting um which upsets him greatly to the point we tries to find train to Busan man unfortunately he's already on a train not to Busan but a train in general look could be somewhere else right now it could be you don't know they maybe that makes a big old loop I don't know I don't know where Busan is relative to uh incion wherever they are which is where ape takes place and Gihan is panicking is fucking telling the guy don't do it don't fucking do it and takes his card off him and then calls the number well I think I'm a very specific set of skills um but yeah because we're so close to the end he goes to get on the plane then he doesn't and then he's like well if you wish to play please state your name and date of birth and then he's like I'm a well you just list who he is and his name to let them know and then um I think the front man is on the phone he's like bro what you doing go see go see a family okay he's like I'm not a force yeah I'm a person he is he is on he is walking to a plane to go and see his family and he's like on the little what are they called the the little pat the little little connecting corridor thing always connecting thing that connects the gate with the plane I don't know what they're called but he's there he's almost at the plane and he's like I can't gangway is that what it's called possibly gantry boarding thingy I think that's what it's called boarding thingy I like boarding thingy yeah and they're like move on don't be doing it he's like nah I'm gonna come and get you don't like you and uh turns away and that's the end of the show who knows what will happen in season two but yeah all I know is that I'm not gonna watch it oh I'll definitely watch I want to know if they fuck everything up I'm curious yeah so um I guess the I guess the big thing here is I hated that he didn't get on the plane to see his family I feel like it's yes yeah I'm very upset about that I was like you finally you've spent all this time building up you and a relationship with your daughter and you're doing this all for her in part and you've talked about how you need to win this for your family and she should be a huge motivating factor for you and then you're you you turn around to go and play the game again or try and find out about it or it like revenge it prevents somehow I don't know alternatively try to put an end to the game but or you're gonna push back a little bit here yeah um so his daughter's gonna be fine and he's now evolved past simply doing what he wants to do in his life with the money that he got from what happened he's now gonna go to the next level and bring this system down that seems to be the angle yep sure enough if he sees that as much more important than seeing his daughter I would say which is a tough decision to make he is large he's largely an incompetent idiot and I have no faith that I actually do it so I mean that doesn't change well it's not about whether yeah what does he believe he he believes that he should try and I'm not sure he he believes that he has to try and do something about it whether or not he can do it competently is like a different question and I think he should get to see his daughter well I mean whether or not well here but it's not really about like that right it's about what do we think that he would do I feel like he would see his daughter yeah well I think one of the things that's very important here is that while he's on the phone they are keeping tabs on him so close that they know he's about to board a plane so I'm thinking they're telling so they're telling him to get on the plane so there are no problems making arguments for how it won't work that's not a good point like because Gihan makes a lot of decisions that are not what would this be Gihan he's done this throughout his life throughout Squid Game yeah he makes a lot of decisions that are dangerous for himself but he commits to them anyway but he thinks this is the right thing to do right thing no I'm not doing the angle that it's dangerous to him I'm thinking like these people they know about his family too and they're actively telling him to get on the plane and don't make things difficult so you're saying one that they would be threatening his family but that would have to be done first I think that's what I think that I think that's they did threaten them by saying no I don't think so get on the you don't think so no I think I think they're telling them to walk away from it I think they're telling them just don't make waves just get on with your life you don't have to do it I don't think they're worried about him yeah no they're not all right I wouldn't be either so yeah so then but again like all that matters is what he believes he can do to try and make things right not whether it's like the smartest decision or anything like that and I think given everything that happened especially in that last episode I don't think that it is impossible or even improbable that he would make the decision he did you have to see him now I I I don't disagree I don't think it's possible yeah I can believe he would turn around but I don't know yeah it's really not a it's not a question of whether it's objectively bad writing whether he turns around or not it's just that I hate it I I can understand that I can see it happening either way I know which way I would certainly have preferred though so yeah yeah I totally understand that and I think that if we can tweak it I think the creator didn't want him to get to see his daughter again rather to make it a dichotomy between that and fighting this system that he's now more aware of than anybody spider-man that's probably something he wanted we could have had it so that he visits sorry not a sister daughter sorry if I said that wrong his daughter he could have visited her and then he could have had the choice of committing to live with her and stay with her and everything works out or go back and sort this thing out and maybe that would have been more satisfying for you because at least he got to see her I don't know if that works better for you but um I think it's a combination of what does he know what's being implied and what is the state of his relationship with his daughter at this moment it is I kind of kind of a lot of those things are ambiguous in that sense um yeah there's a lot we don't know and I also think that this is all going to be made worse by a season two I don't know how they could possibly handle after what we saw with the detective I don't believe for a second that they will make they're probably gonna have a narrative where he actually deals significant damage to the organization and I'm with you I don't believe he can or should be able to he probably will um there is a difference between that and whether it would make the no I'm not talking about that um yeah it's the plot in season two is probably going to be even worse than season one the season one's got enough problems yeah I don't know I feel like there's also a part of if this the idea that the squid game isn't just a game that it's being organized it's just this is it it's symbolic of how people can behave when they're desperate and there's no getting rid of that like you can't take down the squid game because it's just baked into human nature in a way there's always going to be people who play it there's always going to be people who organize it it's always going to have a form you it's you can't you can't get rid of it in a sense is I I kind of thought that was what they were going for um but I guess maybe it is just like a thing that you could stop and that's good like you know to do so yeah yeah that's my thoughts I I I I get what you're saying Rex I kind of feel similarly it's it's it's that when he decides to turn around and not go visit his daughter like I'm gonna go take down the system it's like fucking really I mean I don't know why this is trouble he doesn't want to be a cog he doesn't want to have benefited from it he wants to destroy it it's something that he feels as a person don't I get it yeah and I think the big thing that pushed him over the edge was seeing um France bruson guy in the subway squid game is continuing it didn't die with the old man continuing yeah it just keeps going and so it's like fuck you know can I allow this to keep happening I have no idea what his plan is going to be I just understand the motivation to be like what he went through all of that bullshit that's going to keep on going it has been for 20 years plus and it will be going for more that's why it's meant to be meaningful right because we know how much he values his daughter and the relationship there so for him to be willing to turn around and try to do that it's like man look at this guy he's sacrificing a lot yeah I yeah I I think anyway I'm calling into question his you know there's how much he says he loves daughter and then did I cut out there for a second yep no we're listening oh yeah keep going whatever you were saying yeah I I I'm calling into question how much he professes to love his daughter and how much like he does I think it's time to say that he definitely does I mean yeah absolutely yeah the only thing that trumps him going to see his daughter is the belief that he can make a better world and save many lives in the process I guess I can't fucking wait season two will be bad okay I know it will be I I see people in chat saying you could have it cut to black and it's like you know what if that just if that just leaves it up to our interpretation and closes the door on the season two that'd be cool I will I would have liked that better right I don't know I would have liked it better I think I'm just saying I like that it would close the door on the season two potentially like you know yeah this thing is more I am much like the idea that it was the ambiguous I'm much less passionate about seven eight and nine than I am about one through six yeah but at the same time I just want to give a fair shake to what's being portrayed here yeah no I yeah I mean I agree I I'm fine with the choice there are changes I probably wouldn't make myself I just like because I have seen this ending being slaughtered online being considered like a full assassination absolutely like boring oh yeah I would not go that far for sure yeah I yeah I get it I just don't think yeah I just yeah I could I could see both ways on it I have more problems with the old man twist than I do him deciding go back and fight these people and try to bring it down because I can believe he'd do something like that especially make that impulsive decision in the moment to turn around because he makes these sort of impulsive decisions all the time it's not a matter of I think whether it's impossible that he would do this or this doesn't fit with his behavior I I just I find it has a number of things with this show I find it a little bit narratively unsatisfying I understand yeah as much as as much as he would choose to do that it's just tough to have him choose that over his daughter well yeah I know that having the year of presumably he's just a wandering bum who's apathetic about existence I know people didn't like seeing that uh yeah people didn't want to see that and so to a degree where Sungwoo dies the squid game ends and that limo drive happens and then maybe that's end credits I can understand the appeal of that because we can all speculate on what would have happened next how did you feel about the one year of him just kind of being a loser well he's uh he's completely lost investment in everything after everything he went through I think that's what we're supposed to grab from it um yeah my my question is a year it's almost a year and a half we'll call it a year just to be conservative in this uh hypothetical but that's a long time that's a long time to not go see your daughter to not try to do anything constructive with the blood money it's that's a long time yeah to not get the daughter I don't know he's been he's been through a lot uh not to mention his mom being dead which was possibly one of the bigger motivators if not the biggest to get the money yeah I just I think he had a mental break basically yeah I mean the whole reason he was there is because he could get the uh surgery for his mother so she was that and the daughter but I think his mother's life is more pressing than being able to travel to see his daughter slash keep her here certainly and her being dead uh it's just gonna have a huge effect on him obviously yeah when it comes to like Andrew's uh little brother and that sort of thing and the like the promise that he she wanted him to make um I don't know like I get why I'm just there yeah I get it's not as satisfying as a lot of other endings could have been I understand that completely it's not especially when the whole first episode is so compelling and setting up these familiar familial relationships he has and why they drive him to enter the squid game in the first place that he comes back and just fucking sits around for a year and a half and doesn't go see his daughter I don't see it like I see it less about the fucking political systems more just about like he watches humanity tear it apart itself apart as well as seeing himself reach like a level of rock bottom in terms of things he wouldn't expect himself to do I just think he he comes out of squid game wondering what the fuck is all of this what is humanity what am I who am I that sort of shit um and it takes him that long to get back up on the horse presumably especially after his interactions with old man I think I think I was like the message of his mother dying was almost like it was like he had spent so long allowing this problem to get bad but this is way before squid game this has just been happening for ages that her dying because he hadn't acted sooner would have been like the thing to get him to you can't you got stuff to do you know you've got you know you can't sit around not doing stuff or this will happen to you know that that the well alternatively he did everything he worked really hard he won and she still died which could easily make him convince it's all fucking meaningless if he takes it the wrong way right yeah I think it would have worked way better with Andrew promise at the end that eventually gets taken care of yeah I guess if well I'm pretty sure I get the impression that the reason why the mum died while he wasn't there is just like oh you know like you worked your fucking ass off to get all this money and then you just like you weren't there weren't there because of that it's like man that's just fucking shit like that just really I understand the atmosphere is not uplifting it's very like even with the ending of like defiantly going to change the system it's this is not a lonely opinion this is this is something that's shared by many people who've seen this show uh I understand it I do I just um you know I see that this is still it would a through line and value in it for me yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't go nearly as far as to call it character assassination or anything that no I wouldn't um I mean it just sounds like um it's it's not what you wanted to see which I guess is for fair this is like uh I guess that happened you know I get it squid game it really does a little bit of capitalism like to reduce people to a number thing oh yeah which totally doesn't happen under any other system except barbarism I guess really don't reduce people to numbers in barbarism I guess not that might be the only system where they don't because you remember it like a modern feudal lord system yeah you just be a fucking number because you'd be peasant if you're in a socialist system you bet your ass you'd be a number you'd be an extra number under that system you'd be on you'd be on a big ass many lists but uh yeah I don't see this that yeah this again this capitalism thing it just doesn't what you mean like you don't think that because I know that people being talking about the politics stuff for this show and like I've seen if if it is a critique of any particular system it is trying to critique capitalism I was gonna say I agree with ringing on that one yeah but I think that um like if you're um like if there's a fundamental theme or fundamental point that the show is trying to analyze it's like human nature competition like people fighting against each other to you know like the decisions that people make in these sorts of situations I think it's an aspect of I if it does in the sense that it critiques capitalism I think it's only in the sense of well this is what we have to critique right this is the system we have well so I want to make this clear and this is for everyone in chat and everyone in the fucking world just because a thing is critical of a system doesn't mean all the other systems aren't filled with flaws too I don't know that this because I think all people automatically assume the squid game takes the position the capitalism bad therefore something else goes rather than there are things in the system that accentuate the problems in human nature and um because this is the interesting thing I've talked to a bit about this but like yeah squid game can't exist in first world western cultures right now as it is it's illegal there are regulations in capitalism to prevent this thing from existing because it's fucking horrific and remember Andrew an extremely important character fled from north korea which is not a capitalist country so yeah I just I'd rather look at this as a thing piece rather than it's against my system and I don't like it it's like no no no just everyone I'm pretty sure everyone agrees capitalism is not perfect right no matter how much of a fervent capitalist you are there are there are elements in these games where uh because I've seen there's a map that video everybody recommended I found it frustrating to watch he basically says like the thing about this show that everyone misses is that if you just worked together then uh you know the most amount of people would have lived one of his examples is the fucking glass dude giving everybody the glass tips to get everyone across the the pains without realizing that they turned off the lights after he did it twice so that doesn't solve shit like that just doesn't do shit all so it just it frustrated me listening to it um and he was like yeah you know it it's reflective of a system that we don't look for how we can win we rather look for how I can win and if that means the best option is to you take advantage of other people and so be it which is something that comes with human nature but is accentuated by the system at least that's the criticism a lot of people would make I err on the side of fuck me individuals make make more altruistic choices please rather than playing a system because the nature of the games they are very this one is purely individual this one is undoubtedly team oriented so they they definitely play them both up I definitely I on a purely as a matter of taste I vastly prefer something like trained to Busan which I mean that's a lot of class stuff isn't it yeah yeah but it has a more it presents more noble characters trying to be altruistic in the face of extreme circumstances than this does and that's why even subjectively I didn't enjoy this show as much because it felt very cynical to me for example for example when they instigate fights so that people will murder each other when the lights go out it's not just the thugs who are killing people it more or less turns into everybody is trying to kill each other except for a couple of main characters who were just on the defensive everyone else is strangling each other and suffocating each other and making active aggressive attempts to murder each other I don't know that we know that I because some of those well some of those people could have been initially defending themselves and then it's like well fuck if you're going to try to kill me then I have to try and stop you and I assume we're cool with self-defense yeah I'm more than cool with self-defense I think I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that there isn't a tone of cynicism about human nature and what people do in these circumstances that is in stark contrast to something like train to Busan I mean train to Busan has one of the most evil people in it possibly outmatching and then there's a whole sequence where they all yeah but this train to Busan has all true people trying to make altruistic decisions yeah absolutely so does this so does uh so does no not at the same extent at all but it doesn't like it does I mean that's a bold claim let's explore it so what are the nobles first of all I could argue this has a more realistic look than train to Busan where this show is honest that everybody has limits and flaws and there's no guards among us there's no prophets there's no people who will make the right decision every time even uh Yehan is willing to manipulate an old person with mental issues to to survive which I think you could argue is far more honest could train to Busan be too idealistic that too many people willing to be honorable and sacrifice themselves I'm not making that claim but one could easily make the argument and that when his show is maybe more rural more realistic it's one that you can connect to better as being an honest work and even the bad guy the villain makes a sacrifice of killing himself so that the money can go to the people he loves to be taken care of like I guess that doesn't because like so so here's all I'm gonna here's wait wait wait here's all I'm gonna say is that you know when it comes to the pessimists and the optimists everyone thinks they're the realist so I think something like train to Busan is more realistic and you're clearly looking at something like squid game and thinking this is probably more honest and more realistic about people not necessarily and maybe in the case okay well let's say you're making that case I think something like train to Busan is more honest and realistic for how people are than squid game is and that's personally why I found it a bit too cynical for my taste now it doesn't mean that people wouldn't make a lot of these decisions but there are certain cases in which for the sake of I don't want to say for the sake of drama but the writer clearly wants everything to kind of descend into I'm being hyperbolic but for everything to descend into barbarism for example that night when it every like it seems like everyone except for a couple of our main characters are at each other's throats I think it's a little unrealistic for example that so many people would vote to continue the game I think it's a little potentially unrealistic that so many people would come back after voting to leave and I'm not talking about huge numbers but it just seems to me that the show in general is a bit cynical to the point of being unrealistic about human nature and maybe it's because I'm a bit more optimistic about what people would be like in these circumstances but I think whereas trained to Busan presents a more noble path forward in terms of self-sacrifice I think the only comparably noble people in squid game are the people that don't come back to keep playing the game um well didn't you because you said before that there was like more altruism in trained to Busan than there was in squid game and I immediately thought about how Andrew told Gihan which platform to jump on when there was absolutely no incentive to do that I'm not saying there's none I'm not saying I guess what I'm saying is clearly that's a great example yeah but I get I guess that's that's kind of the idea right is that there are there are examples of altruism pepper throughout the show and I mean I don't and the show certainly doesn't like condemn the like Gihan's perspective in terms of like trying to be a better person of course it gets really depressing at the end when when things are really shit for him but I mean he's the protagonist for a reason and like there's a reason why Sungwoo is like an antagonistic force later on because he's just looking out for himself I think the show presenting um more negative aspects of human nature doesn't mean that it's like that means that it is necessarily more cynical about it especially if like the protagonist is sort of meant to be the person who is trying to be more selfless selfless to a fault sometimes yeah and he ends up I I don't necessarily agree with I don't necessarily disagree right um because it does feel it does feel weird to pit them against each other in this regard but I just think I think it's obvious to a degree that the train to Busan presents a more noble path on the whole than Squid Game does you know I could be convinced otherwise I mean our protagonist starts in that with sacrificing people it is whim to care for like he just he locks out two of the best people on the train potentially because he's like nasty risky and he goes on his arc to go as far away from evil businessman as possible that guy still exists and then the company itself is like butchered the land for its own benefits and it causes the zombie virus to even happen in the first place like there's a lot of criticism of humanity and train to Busan as well yeah oh yeah I'm not I'm not saying I don't want to put them at opposite ends of an extreme by any means I you know there's plenty of criticisms even cynicism if you put it that way in both I'm not saying there isn't I I think on the whole looking at squid game it's it's a bit more cynical than I find well do you remember the the part where like all of the people basically treated our heroes as zombies because they didn't trust they were infected and like all of them get slaughtered as a result of it it's like that could be considered pretty damn cynical right it it is and I that's one of my least parts about train to Busan is when that woman decides that she wants to kill all those people or let the zombies in because in a in you know in a nihilistic moment she decides that perhaps they all deserve it well whether or not that's good you could like you could see someone making the argument right hardcore at that point yeah no okay okay so I'm not they're comparable in a lot of ways all I'm saying is on the whole I think one leans more into an optimistic direction than the other in a way that I find realistic but that could be a matter of personal taste yeah um because I'll argue like there's a lot of darker stuff that I like in my content because it gives me inspiration in terms of how bad things can get you still have the little like the one for me I think is why I kind of managed it was the um the song who's mom seeing Jihan and she just immediately gives him things and asks him to make sure the mom's okay when she's not even doing fantastic sales and who knows what's coming after here as a result of Song Wu's situation we don't know for sure um I like that quite a bit yeah it it's to me it's like the thesis of the whole thing is like that's the important part that there are people out there who even if they're on the lowest rungs of society they want to look after those who are less fortunate than them and that's like the key so I guess I I guess I'm guess really go ahead go ahead there's a because I don't want to you know highlight people too specifically but because of its topicality the super chat here does I think bring up a relevant enough point to yeah discuss if you want no do you want to read it out the situations presented in Busan and squid are also different and a zombie apocalypse people benefit from cooperation much more while in the squid game the games are designed to force people to backstab encourage people to backstab in some cases I guess the direct competition encourage yeah I it's not the best one to one well I would also argue as well and I don't want to the cross section we've got is a little bit important to because it's completely random amounts of people on the train meanwhile this is all people who owe significant amounts of money through I'm not going to say that that means you're a bad person I'm just saying that a lot of them are through gangs and through having bet all the money away people who yeah are in environments where they already potentially betray loved ones to get more money and stuff it's like they're more predisposed to backstabbing potentially I don't want to be too harsh there I feel like that's a bit mean but it's not quite the same as a random selection of people it's just they're under a lot of that's a good price yeah beyond that world that is different to the stress that they're under in Busan that is a that is a good point I guess what I'm confused about is you okay so Mala you look at the scene where the mother of the guy who you know came in second I'm so bad with names on who yes she you know that's the thesis for you right to a degree about you know the good that exists in humanity and clearly the show believes that to a degree because it includes that scene right I wouldn't want to claim too hardcore but it's it's what I find very meaningful and that I would take away from the show in terms of inspiration that we will make it if you can just be a bit more kind to each other I don't know like something something like that no and I and I would agree and I I like that quite a bit I'm confused as to what the show ultimately thinks about people and I'm I'm so one of the things we've talked about this already it doesn't have to be necessarily political but as an ethical statement I'm I'm I find the ultimate message or theme a little bit muddied or can I think that's fair I think you've selected I've looked into a lot of people's coverage of this show so many interpretations of everything I'm not gonna be like wrong right wrong half wrong however um I feel like they ran the gamut on basically all kinds of humans in this show and results like you know Thugman is basically just hardcore on one end everything is for me and I will kill and destroy everything as long as I benefit that's just full on Song Wu is like a more idealistic character that you could you could be like he's a nice man but through making very calculated decisions he's almost inseparable from Thugman from a superficial look and that's I think many people would draw from him see it's capitalism that did that to him or the system that did that to him while I'm like he made very conscious decisions he knew what he was doing and he tried to deal with the consequences and it was too much for his heart to bear I think um even though the mind was right his arc began before the show it's uh well and I just think it's fucking fantastic and you name each of the characters and everything they go through including like Ali and Andrew bless his soul for being called that so much throughout this 11 hour stream um yeah I I just see it as a this is why I I love my media that I think is fantastic when I just see it as a view and it's presenting these um these dynamics these arcs and just like what do you think and I'm like I just I see it as um these these kinds of humans they all exist and the the one we would rather aspire to is this this little lady who's organizing a little fish shop and she's looking after the people who come by every day rather than any of them necessarily specific main characters um because they all have different dynamics and aspects even though I would absolutely say song was my favorite I find him the most interesting yeah yeah so yeah I wouldn't want to claim the show like if I said no the show is saying humanity sucks I've seen that go around and I'm like come on guys I feel like it's going to be a little bit more than that even if the writers said that was the the point of the show I'd be like damn I I disagree he's he hasn't said anything so cut and dried or uh black or white but he said some things I don't feel it's really necessary to go into the details what he intended with the show or what he believes personally because I think that's a separate issue from what the work itself puts forth and argues if you will and I'm perfectly happy to look at this and say it's something akin to parasite which I like quite a bit that goes here is a complex situation make up your own mind about it and I think that's ideal I definitely went into this tinged by the perception everywhere that this is some sort of biting social commentary and so I think that tinged a lot of the way I looked at it because I watched most of it going well what's the social commentary exactly like what are you actually trying to say whereas if I went into it thinking oh this is just a story you know and here's some stuff that happens it's believable and realistic you know make up your own mind I think I I think I would have had a different experience that could explain a lot of it um because I saw it as a result of everyone's squid games squid games squid games squid games but recently all I've seen now is squid game is anti squid game is pro squid game is is that squid games ending is blah blah blah squid games trying to say that squid games being promoted as blah blah blah when actually it's blah blah back then it was just a story that dare I say went viral on Netflix because people enjoyed it so much so I watched it all in one day I was like Fringy you gotta see this let's go and then I talked to him just about stories not about politics or anything yeah and like yeah the conversations definitely evolved we're now a squid game like I I think I opened with this 11 hours ago that it's being used to bludgeon other people in terms of like you're an idiot you didn't get the message and you you don't even realize you like stories that critique your own point of view or something like and I'm just like oh such a headache yeah this this story by no means relies on capitalism being the system it could it goes all around though like yeah it's everything it's brain have fucking it takes in terms of like what political perspective is actually being yeah I'm trying to go galaxy brain to the point where forget capitalism just people claiming and fucking anything like it's the it's the it's their guy it's just like go away yeah stop it yeah this is actually this piece of media agree with me it's anti-earthling yeah it is definitely far yeah I very little real I see this almost entirely based off of just human dynamics and crisis scenarios risk reward and their like what this human nature stuff like there's nothing yeah you could have this could take place this could take place in North Korea instead of South Korea it could take place in the feudal fantasy world it could take place in obvious right if I theocracy it could take place in all kinds of different systems because you'll still have the kinds of people that the game needs to be around and there will always be elites in any system I guess one area where it definitely tips into cartoonishly cynical is the trail of the VIPs and the organization yeah I I happily consider that just a fucking mess the VIPs they need to do way more and I and I definitely think that tinge is the rest of it but if we are going to the detective plotline entirely thank god and if we're going to ignore the VIPs and the world building of the organization entirely hard to do but let's do it for a second if we focus on how everyone behaves in the game itself I am I am perfectly happy saying that it's it's a it's a realistic portrayal of how people lacked I struggle with those other elements and I think did we want to talk about did we want to talk about world building do we get to talk about it as much as we wanted to I don't remember if everyone's because you know I don't want to keep everyone here for long but we need to um I I can't remember if it we if we implied it well enough by now or not this in the sense of I can't believe that this organization doing this can exist I don't yeah I mean without getting into more thorough references I don't believe it could exist this way without getting caught certainly not for as long as it apparently has especially with how incompetent the leaders and the workers are and how breachable it is from your average dumbass detective I don't I don't believe it for a second basically I appreciate the idea I wish they spent more time justifying it but I think a lot of writers don't give a fuck we're just like oh who cares about that I want to talk about the characters and I'm like okay yeah yeah which is you know I do want to say like I really like this show and I adore episode six and all the the things the fields it made me feel right um oh yeah absolutely but I feel like anyone who's watched this entire stream we've gone through a lot of criticisms okay um a lot it may remind you a bit as was referenced prior the the suicide squad where I have loads to say that's great about characters plotline if we if we say that because the plotline is not all bad in terms of like because we like a lot of the games how they were conducted and stuff but then one of the games is a disaster to a degree and um the surrounding will building and everything to do the detective have to be counted we got loads of damage there too I guess what I'm trying to lead here before we maybe talk about a couple more things before we close off I was just gonna say if if you guys do you want to do you want to land on the form of a number do you want to give it a shot hmm hmm let me ask you this does the fact that the detective plotline ultimately not leading to anything does that mean it's not as big of an issue it is a big issue because as much as it doesn't lead him to anything it proves that the organization is fucking batshit in terms of true yeah that is true yeah yeah it really undermines world building oh I think we got a suicide squad related scenario here I think so too I think we got some really great characters but boy the plot and world building are fucked and yeah I'm sitting somewhere between a five and a six that's exactly where I was sitting I'm not sure yeah I'm gonna say exactly where I was exactly where I was sitting five or six because that's where I'm because I'm yeah I'm drawing parallels with the suicide squad I'm doing the whole characters versus plot sort of thing I'm trying to make sure I'm not too generous and not too unfair oh I what we gave so what did we end up giving suicide squad a five five is what I settled on I think I'm gonna give it the same as suicide squad I was gonna try to do a poll I could only do four options so do you reckon I should do four five six seven to see what people vote well maybe you should do may maybe do like one to four that was my first idea five I feel like it's it's gonna be not what we're looking for yeah because I was like I want to give it a four and out of one yeah yeah like anyone that thinks it a three that anyone that thinks it's a three or an eight yeah I feel like threes and eights that's too low and too high so not that we don't appreciate the perspective of threes and eights but I'm just curious if you had to vote between four five six and seven just just give me a vote you can obviously abstain if you don't want to should we do a should we do a one to five or a six to ten feel like like which which side is it on is does it cross that line maybe we do that as a second poll I'm just we'll see how this one goes just see what people say how do I look at that there we go vote away I know that everyone's a little sleepy in chat I know it's a a company we've done almost a half of an out of history episode just talking about a squid game but it's it happens yeah there's much I mean there's a lot to talk about yeah there's a lot to discuss there's a lot there's a lot of stuff to chew on here both plot wise thematically character wise this is this is some content rich showmanship that we're seeing and I want to say I enjoyed the hell out of watching it I don't know if it has as much like I enjoyed it way more my first time than subsequent times because every time I see the detective I want to kill myself like literally when you I don't care to see it again but uh like I would rewatch train to boost on before this I have no trouble watching train to boost on again that film is yeah that can grow make a grade for me easy I'm not generally into rewatching things I guess in general but um yeah I'm just not too keen on rewatching this some things I'll rewatch some things happily but I don't know yeah I just was really I mean like okay because like I think the world building for what's there is kind of shit the plot is like I don't even know how to rate the plot it's like this there's stuff that's just just absolutely fine but then there's also really shitty things characters are mostly really solid with a couple of I guess the VIPs count as gaps for that right yeah they're almost like not characters in a sense cardboard cutouts yeah they don't do anything I guess or I mean do they it's bizarre that they have some influence over how the games yeah and it's bizarre that they exist to deliver such terrible expositional dialogue like not even character building stuff just stuff we knew it's like thanks I guess yeah that's what I'm saying like their their real impact on the story I don't know I mean they were shit they were they they stood out in particular but thematically it's like complex because there's lots of conflicting information at least it could be interpreted as conflicting information for sure and so it can get complicated I think thematically it's a whole lot stronger if you ignore the detective and the VIPs but you really can't ignore both of them well you know what I feel like the VIPs are there to basically boost up the detective side of the story because in the end the detective is the only one that really got anything out of their presence everybody else really suffered for it yeah more crossover with the VIPs than he did with the fucking main cast they made me look at a big fat gross guy there was a big fan yes yes when you're judging the thematic message or point of the story on that level you have to weigh that stuff up interestingly chat have seemed to settle on between six and seven ish really yeah yeah I definitely wouldn't go seven six is a maybe but I'm sticking with my five I think five makes sense I I don't know if I'd land on six or not yet this yeah it's tough I wouldn't say it's a seven I think yeah I think when you especially as time goes on number systems tend to get more refined as you know what to compare it to it might even be worth sometime us exploring really early entries if we need to adjust now that we sort of know where things fall but um yeah I think I don't think I could quite I want this and suicide squad to be on the same level because they're both so similar in terms of characters good story world the plot is bad so yeah I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna keep it here yeah um is it a high five I don't know if it's a high five or not um high five but I wouldn't be necessarily opposed to that I mean I'd go high five before six so and don't worry we just got a small fraction of people especially the E5 audience can skew in a particular way and everything like so it was just an interesting little poll to do um yeah I think the last thing we should probably talk to on animation we definitely talked about it was the whole fairness thing the first thing I started seeing about from people was complaining that the games weren't fair and the conduct conducting of it wasn't fair and the first thought I had was like I thought that was part of the point was that they claim that it's fair but really it's not as a criticism of the societies that we are a part of again I'm not being specific that's just fairness again an ideal all societies will have unfairness yes absolutely um and claiming fairness so as we were going over with the Jon Tron thing I was telling you about like if is it fair for me and Rags to compete in basketball it's like I well I guess in the sense that we're just gonna be playing but but like you know if I have a height advantage or if he has more he's more agile and stuff it's just like we could probably determine who's gonna end up winning actually before they even fight and is that for it gets really complicated when you start breaking down the problem for me was that there was such blatant examples of cheating that nobody did anything about and I was like if you want me to believe that the angle of it being fair but not really fair is strictly just down to thinking about these people as individuals like tug of war I think is where they really push it it's like oh this is totally fair right it's like I mean it's fucking if you just have a team of women versus a team of men it's not exactly like how are we thinking about this um and I thought maybe they balance it out by having a game where the women would have the advantage but at the same time again I don't know about like compared to how do you create a game where women have an advantage narratively um you have to well they kept mentioning elastics right you have flexibility yeah I don't know like I'm trying to envision a game I'm not exactly sure they talk they gave a couple examples I'm just I'm imagining who come and theoretically if you can't do the best splits you do look remember that game in um they played in a ultimate fucking whatever you know the thing where they have a block coming at you and there's a person shaped home but it can be difficult to slip through could have done that um oh yeah that could have been neat and the women could be really good at it you know that sort of shit balancing contest I don't know are women better or a balancing thing I should like I don't know that got me boobs um point being red light green light fits perfectly in how I perceive the fairness unfairness aspect right there's there's faster runners or someone with a disease that makes it the unable to stay still that kind of unfairness I'm like I can see how that yeah and then the honeycomb one I'm like kind of yeah yeah I think I think I'm okay with that tug of war I was like okay we're pushing it a bit now aren't we like this is really unfair and then marbles went back to being fair I feel like except with maybe as you guys are talking about the execution of giving them information beforehand but again I feel like that applies to all of them again especially tug of war Jesus then stepping stones I mean that's just stepping stones but not just stepping stones we're gonna sabotage the well not only that but let's be honest doing it pretty well hideously unfair because if you just all it is is you choose a number and I guess you either die or live because of your place in yeah it's just it's a oh yeah it's pretty I suppose yeah the first yeah I suppose one could say oh isn't that fair because everyone's picking a number and you're just like I don't know man in the sense that you're just rolling the dice but that seems to if that's the case then why go through this fucking charade of the game if it's going to be just so mathematically determinant you have to really try and come up with some crazy nonsense to make it interesting but if that happens you have to change the rule so it goes back to being a 50-50 so right and yeah the Squid Game then being the last one which I mean it's let's say we have 20 people left I think a number isn't really a game yeah yeah if we have 20 people left to split into two teams of 10 for this the Squid Game finale on a big I guess track whatever I don't even know how I that's just I guess that's the team that wins that I guess would just be the stronger and faster ones or the more experience with the game you know what else is there so so many chats that I think keep being harsh because of the last episodes blunders you're retroactively judging the overall show harshly I don't know where you were man but we've been ripping into this yeah we've judged a lot of it very harshly like you you notice the whole subplot of the whole show we just fucking hate episode six was the one that I no sorry episode five I said it might be my most hated episode because I hate how much the detective plot line is in that one and it's shit also I feel like if anything like half of us were against the final episode but half of us weren't so I don't know what you've been watching yeah I feel like this is probably yeah I'm a pretty balanced breakdown on the show right yeah I have a lot of it's a wheelchair exactly maybe they deliberately do you have a wheelchair on your jet oh I mean and to be fair if someone said like well maybe they avoid doing the wheelchairs like I mean they still have the old dude he's still if they're willing to take old people in who are literally just unable to be because fuck if they have like a game we actually have to just run like that is the challenge like geez yeah if you're building an army in each unit takes a certain amount of supply points a really old dude in a wheelchair person you know which one's worth more supply points for your army I don't know and how far does fairness go when one of the competitors has an out and won't necessarily die if he loses so yeah um and then having him so ardently defend the idea to the point where he's like you can do black market organ smuggling just don't make things unfair it's like okay all right so if you want to get caught is this your is this your fetish is that yeah that the risk that is like I just don't a lot of people found that really satisfying I just didn't I felt like he should be definitively controlling shit like that when he finds out they're doing organ smuggling shit you should just kill them all and erase that fucking part of the island just be like no yeah I that would have worked in a different scenario with a different character who is so focused on something that is like yeah as long as you do your job perfectly I don't care what you do when you're not on the clock but that that works in different scenarios it does not work in this one no by the way there is a sense of irony I hate to bring this up I don't want it to go much further than what I'm going to be bringing up I just saw someone vaguely mentioned it in chat and it's so fucking true this show is hyper successful because of capitalism this economic system allowed it to get get this leg up on Netflix and it's now exposed to everyone when nobody else was picking it up like it is it is one of the most successful tv shows of all time so it's just like yeah this this system that allowed that to happen anyway let's talk more about fairness we don't talk about that I I think that it's there's enough wiggle room to be able to talk through it all as we've done I just think that it doesn't hold up fantastically to scrutiny and what I will say to satisfy a lot of people who are saying this yes it is overrated though I don't know what show wouldn't be overrated at the level Squid Game is rated you know what I mean yeah yeah um I would say that Squid Game is overrated it does a lot of great great things and the things that it does great are the things that a lot of stuff horrifically fails at and the stuff that it fails at are things a lot of media fails at and I regardless of what number I give this which is a five which is the correct answer I will I will definitely say that I super appreciate this yeah I really enjoyed it in fact I go as far as saying I loved parts of it I did love parts of it easily I did love parts of this yeah it is definitely worth a watch I will definitely say I recommend this the highs are high enough that it it is definitely worth the low lows and it's neat to see a piece of media that like especially that episode six man just everyone I've seen watch it has a lot to appreciate about and it's like hey that's nice a lot of people come away liking a thing instead of it being super divisive but I think the nature of the show is leading it into divisive land yeah it's not entirely a divisive audience making it divisive there's some I don't know I think the nature of the show lends itself to that yeah it's in sandy area there's also stuff in here that's controversial as fuck and people aren't gonna like I get it I do yeah well I mean I think we've been pretty thorough in our explanations so I do think so that's true also chat people do think that a five means that you hate it but that's just because they're not familiar with that's because they're just using the fucking 1 to 10 wrong I feel like most people are they're using the IGN perv you guys know well enough they're using it like it's grades in elementary school yeah five is a fine score you should you should be proud that that means you did a whole bunch of stuff right you did at least half of it right in fact yeah I don't know I don't we are was that 40 minutes away from the cap just just under 50 minutes away from the cap so I've still got a little bit of time for anybody to talk about whatever they want to but I think we can we can wrap up now whenever I was thinking about yeah I think all that comes to mind right now is like naps yeah pillows food yeah I might be too tired to eat I don't know yeah I don't know what else to say other than I really liked it I'm really glad it exists I had a lot of fun with it apparently it's fucking made a shite load of money for Netflix in terms of budget versus production it's gonna get a season two season two is gonna annoy the fuck out of me it's gonna be bad it's like gonna be bad but I'll give it a chance I would go as far as saying it's kind of like media at this point but I would Netflix is known for this it fucking mood is shows that have great season ones we've got a laundry list okay I don't even want to go near it it's frustrating we'll see but like screen games get merchandise all over the place as well which is abusing to a degree like you can't help but like get them medically amusing yes get the funko pops for squid game you're like yeah man merchandise those little guys it's pretty Wally aim to start super store okay mind hunter is the next there are exceptions there are exceptions yay thank you for saying I like mind don't that um yeah anything else you guys want to say before we we try and wrap up here in some way shape of home about this show nope um not really I just had a good time in any type of show that makes me want to watch it rather than work pretty good well that's kind of I fell behind on work a few times binging the show has to go back to the editing dungeon and the rest of us are gonna go sleep please feed me and uh no uh you get you get a hard boiled egg water and an egg yes uh sparkling water and an egg well before we do any heading out um capital opinions thank you so much for joining us for 11 hours and nine oh yeah it's holy monoleum oh my god thanks for having me always nice to have you what are you up to it was a good time channel what's happening what's going on over there watch me do some screw the wounds you might have noticed if you pay attention to the channel that I haven't posted any on time yeah so why have you done this huh very busy with work but also I I have a short film in color correction and sound design post production at the moment and another one that I'm trying to cast and go into production hopefully this month we'll see and then after both of those are done I can finally start making devs episode four review so not promising any deadlines but I will get back to making videos if you enjoy such things you can look forward to that and if you like short films by people who you know want to write in direct eventually you can check that out too and you've got a whole bunch of stuff on channel with on devs right did you complete the coverage of devs not even close I have done we have done three we have done three of the eight episodes so that is progress yeah it is progress they it will be finished or so help me so stay tuned for that before you're dead it will happen cool we um I don't know that's bullshit do you want to make anybody aware of any particular things so yeah um well we've still got the resident evil six movies oh I believe uh we're we're headed on February we're headed to the best one right or February I'm coming in February I heard Friday just gonna release four Friday in October the two on February okay right exactly no no no Friday we're headed to the best resident evil movie yet right yes Friday will be retribution Sunday will be the final chapter Saturday will be the that's your homework everyone watch the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen we're gonna have a nice little chat chat about it hopefully that won't take 11 hours I seriously fucking doubt it uh but you never know it's like Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro gave Squid Game a 7 out of 10 for watchability a 1 out of 10 for politics whatever I'm guessing I'm guessing he was the one that said that oh it's a criticism a capitalism and I hate it right well Tim Pove said it was an allegory for communism let's not I yeah no I'm not I just want to we're all equal in the Squid Game comrade can we just bring it back down and fuck I see no on the story for itself I think it's I think it's pro-monarch and I'll leave it there I agree it's a thought I agree what are you working on wait who's that director that I said rags what are you working on oh I didn't hear the rag part yeah no no oh yeah me either yeah I got a whole batch of new assets and stuff that are getting worked on now just some delays with those kind of slowed it down but yeah just they're coming when they're coming that's what's just caused this delay else stuff would have come out I'm just kind of you know I'm gonna get these out and used and it'll help things up it's slow now so it can be fast later just because they're welcome right yeah it's slow because yeah I've put a lot of a lot of money into some of this stuff so yeah I will I'll have that when it's out to right I hit you playing that the creepy alien game on Sunday is that true nope oh oh yeah with ringy though yeah yeah well yeah we're gonna give that a go I almost certainly it'll be better than the last creepy aliens game we played I think so so well uh probably yeah it's funny I was like what were that like fired team something or another yeah that just reminded me it's like by the way how's Ashley's streamed tomorrow I'm like oh yes I'm also streaming this stupid game the next installment of whatever the fuck that series doc pictures that's what they call it are you really gonna do the thing where you just don't actually interact with anything in the game to see how it plays out or is that a there is one of you gonna do it and one of you won't or we'll see that's the angle one of you does it one of you doesn't you know whenever they give you an option for like say a character says hello and your options are like hello or fuck you bitch it'll be like oh fuck you bitch yes let's see what oh yeah I always always play the jerk yeah as for whether or not we'll do fucking the QTEs I feel like we'll probably consider avoiding them it'll make the story faster so there's that oh yeah because the thing with those games is everybody's gotta get an ending right even if you kill everybody you still get like more than half the game probably if not all the oh by the way I just to chat I will not be playing this one because remember last time it was a nightmare to get the remote play thing to work it really was an absolute nightmare and the only saving grace for that working was the fact that there's basically zero gameplay anyway so we could make the horrific system just sort of work but yeah it really was just the devs fucked up major when it came to the design for multiplayer yeah they why not make the hot seat whatever I don't even yes me and me and Mel are gonna play through it it's gonna be a terrible I assume that'll be tomorrow the day after we'll be if at the day after that will be aliens after the resident evils this just loads of Halloweeny stuff happening on these days surrounding Halloween one of the odds yes also check out the man Helsing EFAT movies that came out today I very much recommend that oh my god it was a bomb yeah it was so fun I found myself laughing a lot at what we laughed at it was funny yes it was very entertaining so yeah thank you all so much for watching we of course all these super chats will be saved and we'll be going over these probably next Wednesday that would theoretically be the time I don't want to make any promises they're just dacked as fuck right now scheduling wise but um and that's we will definitely read them all out of course and yeah thanks for hanging out with us for so long so it's a long boy strong thank you very much this was a long one thanks for sticking around and listen to us talk about it yeah anything else you guys want to see before we end no no i'm good no i'm good good to go i'm good glad you could join us it was a good time very well uh sleep well my massives good night good night oh my um


To students in this module, I will talk about the different types of webpages. And I will be talking about those types of webpages with reference to search engine optimization. I am not going to illustrate or elaborate or list down different types of webpages, just this category of webpages. But how each web page needs to be optimized to bring it on top of the search result. Now, there are many types of webpages and the engines look at those webpages and each web page is a landing page. It means that any page can be crawled, okay, will be crawled unless you stop the crawler or the robot from crawling and indexing that page. Otherwise, each web page is a landing page, whether it's the home page. It is the contact us page. It is the frequently asked question page or whatever that page may be. And of course, you have to ensure that web page delivers how a web page delivers by keeping the visitor on that web page by engaging the visitor, okay, by making the visitor do what you want the visitor to do by serving the purpose why a visitor comes to your web page. All of those things when included in the context of search engine optimization brings your page the top of the list. Okay, and of course, that will do wonders for you. So let's dive ahead and look at the different types of web page. Of course, there can be other types of web pages also. But these are some of the fundamental web page types, which I will be discussing with reference to search engine optimization. Okay. So the homepage, the homepage gives a big picture. It kinds of give overview of your website. The homepage is like a doorway. It's a doorway to your website. Okay. Now, if you try to optimize that web page with reference to multiple products and services. Okay. It is not going to serve the purpose. Okay. It will become irrelevant. So that is not the approach. Because if you have multiple services and you put them together. Okay. That will not deliver a clear cut message to the message which you want to deliver. Is your brand name. If you have multiple products and services, then you should focus on the brand name, your brand, the color. Okay. Of course, the engine cannot see the color, but the culture, the keywords which are related relevant to your brand. Those should be there on your homepage, on your main page. Okay. About the contact us page. Now about the contact us page. Okay. You can see that there are many, many ways to contact. Okay. You can contact through a landline. You can contact through email. Okay. Through Twitter and so on. Now with reference to the about a space. There are two things we have a conversion. Now this conversion is this a symptom or this conversion is a result. Visitors who are close to converting check out sites about us before they commit. Okay. That is a symptom and visitors who visit an about a space are heavily influenced by the content and become more likely to convert. Okay. Then that is a result. Understand. So this has to be keyword tailor made. Okay. Okay. Because they are looking for the result which are related to this keyword. Now if you look at the contact us page. There is multi purpose use by the visitor. Okay. What are the multi purpose use? Maybe they want to send an email. Maybe they want to call. Maybe they just want to know where you are located. Okay. Even if you are a big business. The local the local business is important to the local visitors. Okay. So you have to take all of these things into consideration with reference to search engine optimization. Okay. Now let's talk about the product category and sub category page. Now this is there is now this is what is called as the buying cycle in the buying cycle. There is the shopping phase. Shopping phase is the visitor is looking for different options. Okay. They are looking at different options and so give options to the visitors. Give them the options. Now when you give them the options. Okay. Then they will go to a product and from that product they might pass through. They might pass through but they may revisit this product also. They can read it also. That has to be taken into consideration. Now this is an optimization gold mine why because you have you have the product category and sub category. There can be lots and lots of keywords interesting keywords but one has to be careful about the depth and the breadth of those keywords. One has to strike a balance between these two. Okay. And of course that requires a lot of understanding and that requires managing these keywords. What is the dilemma over here? Dilemma over here is that for search engine optimization one needs content and where does the content comes from the content comes from the keywords but the people who are in this shopping phase your visitors they are interested in seeing the product. They want to see the product. Okay. So you have to strike or you have to you have to merge what the search engine is using to optimize and what the visitors want with reference to what they see the product. And then is the product detail pages. Now in the shopping phase then the people in the buy phase they have almost made up their mind. Okay. What they are looking for they are looking for finer details. That is what they are looking for. They have bought up their mind. So key is over here is not the keyword but the page construction is the key. Keyword is not the key because they have already made up their mind. They are looking for finer details. Okay. So now is the construction of the page. Okay. So instead of traditional tags use en masse dynamic tags. Okay. So you have to use these techniques to make your these pages work for you. And now for the fact pages and the blogs. Okay. Now good facts frequently asked questions can lead to coveted answer box. This is the answer box. So when this is at the top. Okay. The top of result. These are other questions people are asking. So if you have good enough answer the facts you come over here. This is your website. See. You generate a lot of business. And in these frequently asked questions answer who what when where all of these issues will be answered. Now what has not been answered and which may be creating cluttering or interference. Okay. Use the blog. And in the blog you can use the you can explore the topics which were unexplored. Okay. And you can add them and other benefit you can use it to drive traffic which is relevant. So these are some of the main pages which you should be looking at to optimize with reference to search engine optimization. That is all I have for this module. Thank you very much.


Hey there! This is Rod from Burn to Learn, and we want to show you how to make an animated timeline in a PowerPoint presentation. First, select the slide you want to use, then go to the top and click on the Insert tab. Now click on Shapes, and select a line and then draw it to the slide. Next, we add a circle shape marker for the important things in our timeline. Now go to the Shapes, and this time choose a circle, and then we add a hollow shape and address it to the circle. Then click on Format, and Shape Fill, then click No Fill. Now draw a line down and a box where we're going to type the year we want to highlight in the timeline. Now select and copy the shapes. Remember to change the colors and the years. Now that our timeline looks ready, let's add animation. First, select the shape, then go up to the Animations tab, click on Add Animation, and select the animation you'd like for each shape. This time, we're going to choose Wipe for the lines and Zoom for the circular shapes. Repeat these steps for each shape. Select the shape, go to Animations, click on Add Animation, and choose the animation you'd like. Remember to set all the effects to after previous on the right side of the Animations tab. There you can also check the timing and delay of the effects. You can have a clearer view of all the animation effects using the Animation Pane feature in the Animations tab. Once you're done, play the presentation so you can check the animation added to the timeline. This animated timeline will make your presentation look fantastic. Useful, right? Looking for more tips on Advanced PowerPoint? Subscribe and like this video and wait for our next one.


Freaking as an Aston Professor in WIT, Sallapur. In this video lecture, we are going to learn about the development of the lateral surface of a square pyramid. At the end of this session, students will be able to draw the lateral surface of a regular pyramid like square, pentagonal, hexagonal pyramids. So this is a 3D diagram of a square pyramid. So basically it is a frustum. So here the apex is cut. If you see the first diagram, so here there is no apex. So it is having a base surface as a square, regular square. So and all these corners of the base square are connected at a vertex. So it is called a square pyramid. So it is having four triangular surfaces connecting to vertex to the base edges. So element of this square pyramid, we need to cut this pyramid at one of the inclined edge. So after that, so in the second figure you can see that, so it is cut at this inclined edge. So we can unroll all the surfaces so that we can kept it on a development plane. So in the third state it is opening, fourths diagram, fifths diagram and in the sixth diagram you can see that so all the triangular surfaces are kept on development plane and it is of top surface and the bottom. So like how we will get all the inclined surface or triangular surfaces kept on development plane, it is called as development of the pyramid. So we see, take one example on square pyramid. The question is that a square pyramid so which is having base 40 mm and axis height 65 mm which is rest on HP and all the edges of the base are equally inclined to VP. It is cut by a sectional plane or cutting plane which is perpendicular to VP that is vertical plane inclined at 45 degree to the horizontal plane and which is bisecting the axis, draw its sectional top view and true shape of the section also draw its development. So for this question here the square pyramid is resting on HP. So this is the answer for that. So if you see that, so how to draw the development, so this is called the development of that pyramid. To draw this according to the given condition of the question, here the base surface is resting on HP. So we need to draw one xy line so this the plane which is above the xy line is called as vertical plane and this plane is the horizontal plane. On the horizontal plane so according to the given condition the base surface is resting on HP horizontal plane. So from the top view we see that the square surface of the base of the pyramid will be seen with this true shape so that we need to draw a square in the top view with all of its edges like A, B, B, C, C, D and A, D. All these edges are equally inclined with VP. So from the top view we see that all the edges like A, D is 45 degree with xy line and similarly if this is 45 degree with xy line on the contrary C, D line is also at an angle of 45 degree with VP. So like how so these two lines are also will be 45 degree with xy line. So this satisfy the condition that so all the inclined edges are equally inclined with VP. Now so without cutting this is apex of the square pyramid which is having its full height and so this is the front view of the square pyramid. So these are top view so this O point is apex point in the top view here this from this point O2 this O dash this is the axis height. So from the top view we cannot see the height of the axis so it will appear as a point in the top view. So here we need to drop O dash point as a point so it is representing the axis of the pyramid. So from apex point O we need to collect all the base corners like O2A, O2B, O2C, O2D these are the inclined edges will be seen from the top view as these apparent lengths. Now I am going to draw this with a dark line so this surface is drawn because this pyramid is cut with this cutting plane section plane so which is perpendicular to VP. Since it is perpendicular to VP so from the front view we cannot see its true shape we see that section plane as a line so it is drawn here with a chain line. So now as per the given condition so we need to cut this object pyramid so which is passing at midpoint of the axis height so this is the midpoint of the axis so it should pass through this point and which is inclined with HP by 45 degree so this the inclination between this line and this line is 45 degree so we should draw one inclined 45 degree which is passing through the midpoint of the axis so that represent the cutting plane. So after that we need to remove this part this part of the pyramid that is apex side of the pyramid so this pyramid will remain after cutting or section. So for this pyramid we need to draw the development ok. Now so from this OA and OC are parallel to VP here so we need to project these points in the front view so that A will come here so from A to O we need to connect so this represents the true length of the inclined edge that is OA and OC it is also true length OC is also true length of the inclined edge of the pyramid. Now this B and D point to O point this represents the two inclined edges that is BO and DO so from B and D point since these two comes on same projection so these two points can be transferred on this x-y line so from this point we can draw the two more inclined edges but this is not the true length so this is the true length OA is a true length. Now without section for the full pyramid we can develop this surface as so we need to keep O point here first of all and we need to draw this OA line with the true length so because here I am taking here OA line because I am cutting this pyramid at OA inclined edge since it cut at OA inclined edge we need to draw this edge with the true length that is this length we need to measure with the compass and we need to cut here and from this point we need to cut one arc approximate length we need to cut at this radius OA radius now we need to divide this by R we can do that so A to D we need to measure with a compass or A to B and BC, CD and AD all are of equal length since it is a square so measure any one length and from this A point cut an arcs on this circle so from B to C and mark these points as A, B, C and D and again A because we need to have four triangular surfaces since it is a square means it is having four triangular surfaces we need to have four true shape of the triangular surfaces okay now name this as A, B, C, D and again A so this represents the development of the full pyramid without cut so if it is cut with this given condition so it is intersecting with this inclined edges at this point one point is coming on OA inclined edge and so next is BO inclined edge is here so the plane is intersecting with this point here name it as a two point similarly CO is intersecting here with cutting planes this is fourth and similarly DO is intersecting here so name this with 1, 2, 3, 4 and we need to and the next thing is that we need to transfer these heights from apex point or from base on this full development to draw the profile so I will transfer with O to 1 distance so it since it is on OA so measure with a compass and from this O point cut an arc on this so we get here and one more OA line is here so cut an arc on this so we get point number one and point number one so next is that next I will take that third point so it is on OC so measure this length with the help of compass and transfer this length on this OC edge next thing is that we need to transfer this 2 and 4 point we cannot directly measure this and we are supposed to transfer on here it is wrong we need to do that we need to transfer this 2 and 4 point first on this true length of the incline line since it is a true length we need to transfer this length on this true length that is OA now we measure the distance from this point to this point that is O to this point so this distance indicates that 2 and 4 at this distance and we need to measure this and transfer from this point on OB and OD so this is the correct method so after this we need to connect all this 1 2 3 4 1 point with a straight edge since all triangular surfaces are flat after cutting we get the profile as straight profile so after that so write this development with a dark line so this surface with a dark line indicates the development of the triangular sorry square pyramid to draw the true shape of this inclined surface or cut surface from the top view we can draw the auxiliary top view by seeing from this direction so for this inclined plane draw one XY X1 Y1 line which is parallel to this and from this you draw the projections and measure the distance of a point from XY line and transfer on this we get point here similarly from this point B and D point can be transferred here 2 and 4 point for that so C point can be transferred here so this can be transferred here so we get this shape as a true shape of the inclined cut surface and you can think that if the direction of the cutting plane if it is reverse if the cutting plane if I take like this what changes will appear on this development of the surface whether the profile is same or not or if I change the inclination by 45 degree to 30 degree whether the profile is same or not that you can think this is a reference I used thank you