obably could have put two and two together on that one but that's fine if you didn't if I were a villager there I'd be like you guys probably shouldn't feel too bad they were trying to kill us um so you know I guess I wouldn't take it away from you but um what are you gonna say sorry they show you four different corpses just to make sure that you do realize that this isn't just like one human in the group it's like their entire town and then they yeah they immediately go over to the next guy where they have to get an orc to go you know there are still orcs around so this entire thing is literally you debate what are they thinking no you don't even have to the show tells you at which point they actually realize what's going on because they always get told about it I'm surprised nobody said like yeah I guess it's sad that we killed the people who were trying to murder us I don't know I guess it's a shame that they decided to do that I guess and then maybe it would work if we had had some history on some of these people and the thing is they've killed any of the ones that had lines already like the kid he's already got killed waldrig has got a different plot thing to do so he can't be here so it's just like it's just all these faceless fuckers who I don't think I don't know who you are it's like yeah but it will just accept the fact that it's sad they used to be a part of a big old village it's like yeah but the village was terrible they were all extremely stupid they keep making choices I don't understand I cared more about the random people in the Shire and fellowship than I ever did about anyone in this village you just never characterized anybody as having like lives and relationships it was a boyhood friend someone said in chat it's like if it was a line for that I missed it oh what between Theo and the dead kid in the other scene no sorry I thought they meant because they said it was her boyhood friend one of the bodies but like I said I didn't pick that up I missed that I mean I can see the friend relationship between the other two but he's not on this scene so no that wouldn't make any sense I know I didn't pick up on either yeah I was completely out of sync with the scene at this point like they were like how sad is this and I was like like I guess they chose to attack and they got killed like I I think part of the components missing for me that the show probably thought was there was that they were forced to do this which I don't agree with they weren't really they could have ran away they didn't know them and I have to sympathize with why they did it and none of those you know gets a check mark so yeah we saw from the head guy it was like proposed to him and they could talk about what five seconds to decide to kill his friend anyway from that same group so we can only assume everyone else was the same one so that's the thing if they're establishing in that scene then that all of the ones that left to go and serve the orcs are like the bad descendants of the humans that serve Morgoth and they have like the bad juju in their heart then it's like oh I guess why would I care that they're dead then they're all evil apparently according to you they're like what is the difference between them and the orcs really like if they just they're gonna function exactly the same way they have no like individual thought they'll just do anything Aida says and they're happy to kill their own friends like why should I care that's a little difficult to sympathize yeah but they turn on a dime though I mean the woman in the previous episode is like yeah stay will live oh no maybe we're dicks we should go and join them anyway so I guess that they're different from the orcs in the sense that there is at least the question of the vision that comes into it but I don't know man how long did they think about it when they were offered the chance they just leave the watch tower immediately they're like let's do it let's go join the orcs all right yeah this is a valid strategy does it even matter like if someone's trying to kill you and they're being forced you're still going to defend yourself exactly and so you're morally justified in either situation yeah it's just you feel sad about it because it's almost like the tragic element is I wish I didn't have to kill you that's I think what the show is going for it just it just doesn't hit me just like oh it absolutely doesn't hit none of the components are in place to get me to sympathize they then have their shaku moment you guys remember shaku from two towers a little tumble off the cliff yeah we're he's the last orc who's bleeding and then he gets to tell us a little bit more about what happened to Aragorn to let the characters know but this this this orc here says what wait what does this orc say actually I don't remember said that you all are very smelly people and I'm an orc yeah it was the greatest insult to be called smelly by an orc it was I know he ends before he finishes the last word it is this literally just you're all going to I'm like what did he mean what could he possibly do going to what tell me you bastard join our book clip apparently it's cause they had to pay the next week we're reading weathering heights yeah they had to pay the toll with something he said okay so I guess he's referring to the whole blood bond thing they have to they got to kill you guys to join us just like oh my god stop telling me this it makes me think they're horrible the fifth time is that what he meant I assume so yeah oh cause I so they're in they're not in but they're in you know like wall drag he had to kill a guy right there but the others apparently are all suited up and ready to go imagine being an orc where you're like ah you know you can't join us just like that and they're like well you got to kill when you're friends do okay so I'm going to join the other orcs in attacking the village functionally I'm just a part of you guys officially no is that the only reason Baldrick wasn't sent back with them is that he's already done I think so yeah that was that was proof to Adar that he's a loyal I think the other that means that his idea but wall drag was given when the surely so he was so Adar wasn't reserving wall drag at this point to go and stick the thing in the thingy no he was but he'd already proven his loyalty when the tower falls there's a moment where he runs up to Adar and he could have just run off and he says no you need to get out of here you need to get out of here so I think that was proving extra loyalty as the blood thing because he's proven himself he's already paid the toll as the orcs just established so he can then be held back he doesn't need to pay it again by being sent into the village which is just very convenient because of course they need him to do the evil thing later and so they get my they get flanked from all the other orcs and they start getting hit with arrows and I was just like yeah of course this is what I mean when I when was the last time we watched like a battle that was good well I had the fellowship and they could have done this at any time though that doesn't count what was the suggestion what he was watching fellowship of the ring oh that definitely does I'm saying new stuff new stuff down because man I'm so bored of all these like it made me just it just reminds me of Game of Thrones season 8 and I was like oh god since then has there been like has there been a thing where we can watch it and go that's not shit Northman is probably one yeah I still need to see that that was my bed I have to see that as well like you'd be you'd be neat to have like a full on practical defense of a thing and a good oh yeah with stakes and you could you tell how the battle's going by the way that they execute the plan and where they go and stuff like that there goes Homer just telling you guys a hero we've lost a hero today the village is lesser for his loss two arrows in the back to they had that that's what they had to that's what it would take to kill Homer you had to shoot him in the back he would have he would have fucked them all up he would have he would have stabbed them one he would have made shish kebabs out of them all and so a whole bunch of arrows are coming in and I'll admit the show does something pretty cool here it uh it has a lady get hit with an arrow and I was like ooh yes this is cool right up until the moment well I was gonna say they've done this decent amount of times with the main characters like there's a good reason that they'll get killed and then they don't and it's like can you excuse me why would you be two arrows as well when it gets hit by one or they forget about one oh does she yeah there's a first one like when she collapses to the floor there's an audio cue of a first hour see there you go that's the first one she gets hit by a second when she's down there you go that's the second one that doesn't even look like her shoulder too that looks and they only pull one arrow out of her yeah you're right she totally looks like she gets shot by two yeah there's the audio cue of the first arrow did it miss is that the implication and she's got spooked by an arrow no because she reacts to it she collapses to the ground and then she gets hit again I think they literally just forgot or realized we can't quarterize her all over the body there was a miscommunication between the arrow CGI people and the actors yeah the arrow comes in and she's like ahhh she definitely reacts to it I can't even tell where that hit her I don't even know and then the second one is in her shoulder so Homer gets hit by two arrows wiped out she gets hit by two arrows and saved what's what's the deal what's the joke here I don't understand they didn't own up seeds for him ahhh that's what it was yeah right because she's going to make a garden or whatever so she has the the god of growth looking after her or something that's what he said ahhh oh there they all they'll go in to the keep bit there's one thing I thought was kind of funny here um if you can see here as they're heading in you see this guy on the furthest left here there's this guy behind him who's like struggling he's got an arrow in him but you know help him out and he's like okay you know what I will I think he even tosses his weapon to do it he's like I'm gonna help you up here I go well buddy you can make it but then that very guy gets uh unfortunately hit by an arrow ooh so he loses his footing down he goes you know the guy he helped up it's just like uh okay bye I guess I guess you're done just abandoned him you know the I don't want to end up like him no that's uh that's what that was I don't know the way that looks is so funny so uh yeah they're in the they're in the keep I'm out here from it um Yorkshire surrounding and I just uh I just don't see how this is kind of working for a split second and the uh the obvious payoff you'd expect is like well I guess historians are gonna come in just before everything goes to shit and man they've got a huge window of time before that's gonna happen uh uh when I say they I mean ADAR and his orcs so they've got to waste a shit ton of time and by gum do they waste a lot of time uh because the orcs are surrounded our time waste our time they've surrounded the place okay it's done so we've lost but we still have time for a whole quarterization scene that has loads of like gaps and delays I don't know what is everyone else doing yeah there's even a point where uh the whole place goes silent to watch them trying to save her life or whether or not she's gonna make it as if nobody else has been hit with arrows she's very important as in yeah exactly in that at all she's a main character so everybody cares what's going on with her so then we get this really great comedy bit this lady opens up a little window here she's like what's going on and then the orc just runs past the door closes again it's a they jump scare you with this shit and it's just like was the orc waiting there peeking he was like someone's gonna open it any second now oh my god I never understand that oh my god there are orcs outside whoa everybody be careful never seen this um yeah we realize the homo passes in this definitively and then we're worried that she might too and it's like yeah of course she totally well worried she might worried she might live I was watching this with my dad the first time and because she seems to die and there's a nice sort of little pause when you think oh my god she's actually dead and my dad said that's the first thing the show's done that's I kind of enjoyed they had the courage to kill her off slight pause over fuck's sake oh no no you you worked so hard for that and now it's been ruined in a good show this would have been in pet assuming that all of these characters were good and she died in defense of her village which is not unreasonable because she's just a peasant yeah and you know we would be legitimately sorrowful because she's a character and she has a relationship with another character and they're like oh that's sad you know I hope that he's going to take it well but that would be a different show in an alternate universe where we care about characters and the relationships they've presented to us yeah and hell her son's in the room as well you could have actually killed her off you could have forced her son and elf guy closer together as a result of that that would have been cool as long as you can do with that especially if the son was like a like a super racist against elves yeah and it kind of forces him together that's the first step to bringing those two you know towards one another and they're both kind of prejudiced against each other but they learn to drop it you know because they already they did the setup when the son is kind of distrustful of the elf you know he complains that he spent all of his time watching the humans cut the redraw in the last episode and then so they're sort of doing that but they're taking the least emotionally impactful way of doing that like and the least believable one and the least meaningful one as well but if you yeah like shared trauma like this would have been so much more in such less time or so little time by comparison but again as you said that would be a different show and unfortunately we don't have that one we ain't got time for drama yeah and it's only once the quarterization scenes complete and we know that she is going to make it who that they we then cut back to the orcs who are now picking up the battering ram and starting to use it what have you been doing this whole time guys dramatic sad moment and then of course they are actually making progress the door is coming down and no one is prepared with spears or anything they're just like well that sucks yes this is it when Helms deep when they had to fall back they got the door and they barricaded it up and they had people there pressed back against it it felt very desperate remember when they didn't got hit with a the spear they were putting in then he helped direct one coming back to fuck up that orci absolutely they didn't have absolute Chad only Chad and this is unfortunately he Chad had a heroic death Homer's no longer with us out of characters you know hanging out with them a lot he deserves yeah he deserves a better people he should have written his cow into battle at panel fields it's just squirting chocolate everywhere is it like he slides down the chocolate stream to really build up speed just crash into loads of okay legendary yeah the music don't you fret everybody look it's the new minorians they've landed now they're charging over here here well not quite a lot I'm so confused white yet we see in this which gives you a real good strong understanding of just how much was on those three ships by the way man no way how long would it have taken them to crane all of those horses off oh god could you imagine the the absolute like the guy who's operating that crane is probably just like I don't I don't know guys this this seems crazy I'm gonna be honest with you we should set up a different horse crane or the the camera crane oh both the minute I don't feel see was just fucking up there flash frames you don't often ever see that in anything TV show or film related like like editing fuck ups the point of them accidentally leaving in really really bad frames you get some stuff like the Zack's night a dead pixel thing or um all deliberate frame in in fight club but that's right really ever because because we've doing this for a while you don't really see the screwed up fuckery directing thing like that maybe they actually watching what was that we were watching we're one of the your mind yeah anyway they're on the way like we're one of the cameras is just blurry for some reason and then it goes back to being clear oh was that that woman that did that a lot or you don't know it was not Thor you say Thor I think I said Thor no I know what it was but it's part of our tremors was it tremor or was it uh was it Friday the 13th yeah it was that you got a nightmare on Elm Street I think maybe oh it could have been nightmare on Elm Street that's true listen we watch films and secrets sometimes okay everybody yeah she's looking great on this horse by the way I got big old I'm sitting on the toilet vibes and I'm concentrating pretty hard I will say I'm I'm like so it's like the sun is rising behind them or setting behind them as they're galloping across the field when is the what is the timeline here where are they I know I'm a fool foolish fool that you are is the guy at the right point slouching he looks like he's slouching he's just like he's leaning back a little bit he's not actually the horse man oh shit I'm on screen damn it ugh and see there are people out there I believe this there are people out there who saw this and they got really excited I was just like oh what nonsense bullshit man like this is so impossible how could this possibly have taken place we supposed to think they kept on this feed for a full day to travel the distance that they needed just saying that yeah like all this time playing total war games and the thing you learn is that you don't set your units sprinting for miles before you actually hit your opposition because your horse will be knackered by the time you get there so are they going at full speed for days and I mean to be fair are supposed to be much stronger and faster but even so I think they didn't have their limits they didn't tell us that either oh sorry as well they decided to get the kid to cauterize the other end of who wound and he's like it's his mum he's terrified and he's young like why the fuck are you getting him to do it let an adult do it please he drops that thing Jesus oh yeah I don't know it's all it's all absurd but we're finally getting there they break in all these people here and all these weapons and they just they ain't using any of them they just break in okay yeah we're at the wits end now and everyone's like arrested it's all over and Adar's walking in and you believe it what's gonna happen what is the conclusion here I don't know there's really anything can happen that's where we're at now yes anything can happen for any reason which is just the stakes killer oh yeah did you enjoy by the way that out of everybody in that little horse army everyone's wearing helmets except Hallbrand and Galadriel they don't need it they're main characters when you you know like in a police show or something where the police are doing a little they're gonna go and raid a place everybody else is wearing full body armor they got rifles but the main characters just have a vest and pistols this is the medieval version of that if you're a main character you can't wear a helmet because we gotta see your face you can't emote with a helmet on it's the same thinking that in the helmet Galadriel I think have their helmets on but they get taken off like straight away in the fight that's another thing they do yeah of course because they're main characters we gotta see their face we gotta be able to distinguish them couldn't have them wear like I don't know like something on their armor to distinguish them or alternatively just shoot it in a way that we can see their face yeah I mean helmets don't have to necessarily cover up the face much I mean the numerator in helmets you could clearly tell who's who in the helmet is big open well I mean some medieval helmets the point is you can see their faces yeah not every helmet is a full helmet I don't know there's something about it that bugs me like that choice that we gotta always take the helmet off I like a lot of helmets and masks and things that they can be really cool and it's always like well no but we gotta see their face cause that's like something that they got taught or something in like a film class do you think that's them or the actors they have to wear helmets could be in the contract you might have a point there right like I wouldn't surprise me at this point if there is like some agreements that are in place where it's like well there's a certain amount of I'm pretty sure that was the reason why in the Halo show right because the actor or maybe it was part of their contract is like well we gotta see their face and if that's the reason that's really lame isn't it that is lame makes you appreciate Carl Urban his dread hell yeah I actually appreciate a lot of like I don't know it's kind of funny right because you could have had Steve Downs there's a total tension you could have had Steve Downs play Master Chief again could have just had some guy in the armor and then just have him do the voice yeah same with Mario you could have well Mario has got a mask you could have someone else wear the mask and then he has to have the mask on you could have Chris Pratt dress up as Mario but you keep Charles Martin A of course yeah I'm not looking forward to that movie that'd be hilarious if they overdone Chris Pratt with his voice release in the trailer in a few days go to the forest I'm not excited at all I'm not excited yeah but I can tell me it's all okay the animals don't have to worry about being disappointed by Mario no they've already been let down by him because it's Sonic who has to save them not Mario he doesn't care about saving animals he wears their skin he does true ever the Italian so Adar is like give me my hilt and then Elfman's like um only if you let us go and then again this is one of those tiny things I actually like where I was just like fuck you man after everything we've just gone through really no I'm just gonna start killing people give me the things it's like yeah that's probably very fair and then he kills some people to be like I'm a threatening person and then Elfman says why kill people for such a small thing or something like that which uh isn't Elfman the one that explained it's gonna turn him into a god yeah like he knows it's important right I thought he understood how important this thing was so just like yeah of course he cares a lot about this thing I think when he's um when he's captured by the orcs in episode 2 is it I think it is or 3 which everyone it is and you know the first conversation he has with the warden guy is that the orcs have been ransacking villages looking for a weapon and then you know he gradually understands that that is what the weapon is and then he recognizes it has a connection with the strategy thing all the people in this room the person who has probably the most understanding of what the sword is is probably Don Lemon hmm well people keep getting stabbed so he's gonna have to act you know it's getting bad they're all secondary back around characters no main characters yet what was funny is that they'll be fine most of them are just getting stabbed nobody's twisting or gutting they're just stabbing no and they didn't take the Galadriel class of 101 fighting people and yeah so then something confusing happens and I don't know if it's like just are we unaware of something or something because ladies is threatened and so Elfman's like oh jeez oh no oh god and then Theo is like I know where it is and I shall give it to you and then it was like why does he know where it is the unsexiest four play ever when he was talking to Bronwyn about it and said I'm gonna go hide it as he walks off the camera changes focus onto the kids who's just like poking rocks or something and that's your hint that he was watching him oh nice job Elfman nice because you know the whole point is like hide it in a way to the world or whatever I mean he literally hides it he hides it in the one place that he knows the orcs are about to attack because that's where they're gonna be they decided after he'd hidden it there that they would make that building the keep so you think you'd move it or hide it somewhere else just dig a hole dig a hole throw it in the deep deep lake do something take a guy with a horse go to the ocean it can't be that far away the fucking Numenorians on their way absolutely painful and yeah nice job man because you understand the fate of the world is tied to this thing and he's just like well I got it now it's like nice good job could today get any worse well I think everyone's days get worse when Galadriel shows up that's true just having a beer around her the smug aura she exudes and then the moment that guy gets the sword he must know they're all dead because he's got exactly what he wanted so you'd assume his next move with him being evil would be to kill all of you so you would immediately start fighting because you're dead anyway at that point but no one does anything no and it's interesting because there's no kill order until much later but nothing like the only thing that changes I guess is the Numenorians invade but at the same time it's just like why were you intending to leave them alive what's I don't understand it's really weird oh this is another thing that happened that's so fucking weird everyone can hear that the Numenorians are arriving it's really loud it's rumbling the earth and like nobody's it's like a Tyrannosaurus rex you got Waldrick who's like look at that they're on their way and all the other guys are just like did nobody hear what was just in the soundtrack I thought that were they just trying to tell us that this is like literally Godzilla on the right just the audience alright then yeah you got Waldrick was real near Aida there and Aida was holding the little hill maybe that's a thing to flag up for later we'll finally be able to talk about but yes here come the Numenorians yeah isn't it crazy you guys probably thought when you were watching the last episode that for like Elfman and Galadriel to fight together would probably be something that may happen even in next season not literally the fucking next episode they had a conversation in the workshop I just can't believe it like uh this show might have the worst pacing in history it goes from incredibly snail-paced slow to like hyper-fast in terms of this is like the one episode with loads of important things just happen one by one by one by one by one by one just like oh and yeah with the sound of that they announced let's kill everybody now in the tavern and the two orcs that have a tide of Elfman just they can't kill him you just can't you just can't do it he's got this aura about him I can't nothing works and there was a dude who had a knife to Theo's neck and he he's somehow now not able to kill him oh I mean if you could win this fight now why didn't you just initiate the fight earlier why did you wait for them to start stabbing you yeah why were they stabbing when the orcs were breaking in you all suck I'll have to keep track of like how anything has they even pretend to have stakes in this all but uh here they come they even crossed the little bridge good thing they didn't blow up the little bridge with wine you know otherwise the new minorians wouldn't have been able to go across it I knew that they were coming so you know exactly and you see so many more cavalry enter this fight than ever actually partake in the fight and that person there was like hundreds on that one screen no look at all these yeah and then when the fight actually starts it's like 20 maybe like 20 or 30 people at most the unending line of course is about this chain I mean that's a huge number that's another thing the orcs like I never know how many they were I never know and I don't know how many there are now and I don't know how many need to kill right now there's no sense of like scale for any of it sort of have action happen we had the really cool moment coming up soon where they they hit a bunch of them with a chain you guys remember that was pretty legendary yeah go but yeah we got some style points coming in here for a lot of characters because this was the this was the masterpiece scene right for a lot of people they were so proud of this they put it in the trailers this bit which is an interesting choice because like fuck me episode 6 and it's a it's a big old twist or thing for I mean for people who are invested in this story I guess they actually consider this to be something of a wonderful thing but this happens in terms of just like oh what a great payoff yeah this whole chain thing is weird this is the thing this is what it's all been building up to you know like this scene where all of our characters come together and are those chains are they attached to the horses because there's no way if you're just holding the chain in your hand you can get dragged off yeah or you can just drop the chain that's because the orcs aren't fighting with their feet oh the orcs were fighting with their feet they didn't plan their routes they listened to Galadriel and look what happened they were yeah they had the stability buff they were unaffected by crowd control skills and effects yeah man imagine being Elfman you'd be like fuck I'm lucky incredible it's what even is going to happen at episode 7 at 8 that in terms of just like is it all settling down accepting reality sort of things I guess it is 2 hours possibly more so 7 will be like the discovery of Galadriel like one of the the corpses in Pompeii and then she'll be braked out of the rug someone will cast a spell on it she comes out of it yeah like she's been deep fried but she breaks out of it we're going to join up the half foot storyline to these guys before this season ends I don't think so I think they'll be there on their own little separate thing I mean because like this happens so fast that I wouldn't keep anything off the table now in terms of what they could just randomly do maybe Durin will fight with Galadriel and Nori against Adar next episode you're right I have no fucking clue sweet we finally got this moment so if you guys didn't know Galadriel is pretty damn cool I would even go as far as saying I never picked that up well get ready for some proof you saw the arrow was getting ready to hit her it was fired and she does this oh my god and she only had to do that it's like it's pasta now she could just get back on the horse but no this is this is actually what they teach you in horse school they say this is the best way to decapitate a person and you might be like what she is miles away from him boom off goes his head look at that distance it's just like what was that absolutely not in range and yeah yo it shows what are the dudes it's the lieutenant and he's like as soon as he enters the battle he falls off his horse it's like he dives off I wish I didn't get that promotion well it's funny because I'm pretty sure him, Alendil and Asildur all come off their horses in this fight don't they I think they need to knock at least one of them off because they need to give Adar one later and he didn't bring one with him so it's kind of necessary because he has to steal something oh yeah well I guess I'm just pointing out that he's back flipping all over a horse and stuff while the rest of these guys are just like whoa look it's like I'm going to tackle you you specifically to the ground it's worth it I don't need a horse and also his helmet comes off because now we can recognize who this character is yay I mean that's got to hurt falling off a horse like that yeah well done leaving off the horse it's like a rugby tackle from altitude well at this point I was really realizing I was like fuck these guys haven't seen warfare at all in their entire lives right these guys particular because they're all young and as far as we know this is their first battle and they've gone from being like war was established as a thing like a couple days ago and now they're like in the actually fighting for their lives right now in the thick of it I think I said to you guys there's so much story here to tell and they don't tell it like imagine the experiences for all these guys yeah war actually I know we try to make Galadriel super cool and amazing actually this is a rough experience for some people who haven't gotten trained look at that blood it looks so bad yeah I was about to point that out it just like spurts out of them it's like that's not what would happen I don't think you would just spur it out of you like a fountain he did twist though maybe and then got so oh my god he's learned his lesson oh okay well in that case that makes sense this seemed like to me as well they really want to it reminds me of the blood coming out of the dude's eye where she's like just like the CG department really enjoying the time with this more blood all right whatever I thought he was very deliberate by the way the stab twist good good on Galadriel for making sure our guys know how to kill we picked up like an orc weapon he does not even use in his own sidearm I guess he lost it I guess or something get off that horse you should resist that more being pulled off your horse yeah you'd want to stay on the horse actually that's the one of those big realizations most people don't realize actually you bring in a horse some people want to jump off them immediately it's an interesting choice like this guy had recommended against it I love how that guy's getting blocked and he just keeps doing the same move over and over like you could just stab him you couldn't block it from that position it's just that to me it's just like look fighting is happening isn't this war amazing I'm pretty sure it's already like half over um yeah this guy who's like terrified and sort of weasely as we've been characterized at this point um we get a conversation after this fight where he's just like war's not my thing I'm good I'm going to stay here oh I'm sorry man you signed up man we still got a war it's not done like that that was one skirmish literally volunteered I don't know I sympathize but we we actually have to keep fighting it's not over when you see the volcano erupt he's like I'm not into this this is not me I don't want to fight a volcano I didn't sign up for a volcano like well that is technically true yeah um oh yeah there's this moment where so he is a member of the queen's guard then is yield or and then she signals to him you can go play if you want is that what this is um yes I think you meant to think he's like being impetuous and he's like wants to gallop off and she notices and so lets him go because he breaks rank because I couldn't tell if it was that he'd been given permission or if he's just fucking off oh no she definitely nods at him for him to go but I think the first bit is meant to be him like he just can't just keep in position because he's so desperate to go and fight I think they might have just been incompetent I think what he was supposed to be looking at was his dad struggling but they show us his dad struggling after he seems to make that decision it was like continuity just feels off but uh yeah Elendil is getting tackled by like three orcs at once at one moment and none of them decide to do anything permanent to him let's just put it that way they're just they're weaponless and they're just there to grab him which we've seen before with orcs you know they just grab him is he just holding the horse? yeah he's trying to keep the horse steady that's good I guess it'll make it easier for his friends if he keeps the horse still so they can work on pulling the guy off that's very thoughtful I expect this kind of thoughtfulness from Adar but from the rest you know I guess I'm surprised so yeah we got this epic moment of Elendil could be dead who knows what's gonna happen and uh he does get saved and you'd all have expected it to be a seal though wouldn't you but it was hull brand oh I think it's a little paper cut I don't really know what to make of it like in terms of what do they want us to conclude from it it's just I guess overall that he's still thinking about whether or not he's a good guy is that what this whole thing is I've got no fucking clue I don't even think he's thinking about being a bad person at this point as far as I know Elendil is dealing with four orcs at once by the way the problem is and the show's gonna have this problem going forward is that so many of its main characters cannot die Elendil can't die Isildur can't die Gladriel can't die a couple of the new creations can die but none of these other people can so if they're gonna keep wasting time by trying to you know it's the solo problem when they try and make it seem like he's about to fall off the train or Chewie's about to fall off the train and you know that they're not gonna is there even any point trying to tease that prospect we know it's not going to happen yeah the conclusions on stuff like that are like on one hand avoid being incompetent enough to put him in positions where they should die and we know that they can't because of not just that but also just because you but Elendil say yeah why try and create action scenes based around characters being put in peril that are absolutely safe as opposed to the ones that aren't safe and then using the safe ones to you know do the saving yeah they're intentionally reacting to those potential tragedies or working to prevent them or just show like Elendil just show him as being really competent as a fighter so I don't have to worry about him constantly getting swallowed by orcs all the time I'll be like oh Elendil's a really good warrior I don't have to worry about him too much they're so proud of the new characters the new characters the ones they pitched and all the interviews the most like they're kind of babies if anything they probably care least about the original ones if they can't kill them all but I bet if they have to sacrifice any of them first the ones they'd want to choose they'd be like can we kill Frodo yeah we've inserted a little fake Frodo Frodo knows one oh oh okay I remember Frodo Frodo Frodo no oh why Frodo oh why oh Luigi this ring is such a burden to carry oh mama mia what is this weapon he's throwing here it's a spear I think it is a spear oh it's like a stick with a it's a fucky spear like it's like the one from earlier it might be the same prop it looks like the one from earlier yeah she did the exact same fucking move again so cool um but yeah she actually needs to do that if she just lent sideways yep that would solve a problem but it doesn't look as cool no but she does it so these people can more look on oh she's so amazing who is that um so we uh yeah Galadriel met up with little mr.  I don't think she ever actually we've been looking for him we say couldn't it's like well we've never even we barely even know if he's actually around I guess the fight at the beginning so one when they first arrive is I think by implication it's against Sarum because of course Sarum had to kill her brother so there is oh no she wasn't but I mean he's saying it depends who he's referring to when he says where your armies couldn't I mean if he's talking about the elves I thought he meant here like a group of elves who were doing whatever but maybe you're right and it's an entirely different situation like to actually attack someone's army with your army win and then kill them compared to him he might have just stabbed him in his sleep or something you're right they may not have even been impressive at all they won the orc the elves won Sarum went into hiding, Morgoth was defeated you can't really say like ah you couldn't do it it's like well no Sarum ran off if you can tell us where he is I'll finish the job that's like a whole point yeah I don't know this is this holy split him open entwain there's another weird sort of outgrowth from this which again I don't think they'll ever really explore but like so we're led to believe that Adar is he's not purely villainous because he attacks by his own account anyway and killed Sarum because he was sick of sacrificing his brothers from the orcs that is so Adar is not a villain he actually all he wants is a land of his own people why then are his orcs portrayed as being and his actions in commanding them as being massively evil for the sake of it but would it not have made more sense for him to make peace with the men of that land and to work together to build this new world because his antipathy isn't toward the men whom he was fighting in the last war or allies of those who was fighting in the last war there's no I'm sort of struggling to see why everyone we're on the same team and you don't know it yeah or at least there's no reason for them not to be well except the fact that he wants to explode a volcano which will destroy their entire area well there is that slightly inconvenient fact but I mean there's no reason that the men can't be encouraged to move or to take part I mean hell half the men went and joined him earlier anyway the men were on the site on these people's side up until this point in the previous war anyway there could have been a work around for that and even then he could have used them to get what he wanted and then sacrifice them afterwards I mean it's just they're portraying the orcs as being as evil and bad and uncomplicatedly so as Sauron's orcs were but actually the motives of their leader are much more ambiguous than that no yeah I think it's that it's not that he deliberately wants all of the humans to die he just doesn't care if they do so we'll use them for his own ends like send them in in the first wave of a fight and stuff but it's not that he intentionally wants them he just if they die they die and he only cares about the orcs but if he'd been even superficially nice into the humans until this point he might have actually had a much easier job of finding the sword seems that way we're actually getting very close to all that now I cannot remember if it was yesterday or when we watched it Mahler when I asked does this show want us is it a goal of this show to have us sympathize with Adar I think so at least that think of them as gray I don't know he seems like overall couldn't like he seems very evil trying to blow out the sun I don't know if this is the idea behind the character or if this is just the confusion that comes alongside bad writing where you can't really tell what it is the writers want you to feel about something they've written I think it is sort of the idea because they big up his elvenness quite often in there so he speaks elvish he still looks like an elf at the beginning of this episode I think as you see him planting the seeds and that of course links later on when we learn what the point of that is the orcs as we know and Galadriel actually pinches almost word for word Saruman's line when they're talking about how the orcs came into being elves once taken by the dark powers tortured and mutilated a ruined and hideous form of life Galadriel swaps a couple of words around from that but she basically uses the same shtick but because they're portraying him as the first of the fallen elves essentially and they are showing him turning against the brute force evil of Sauron because he still has a familial kinship with the orcs who are also fallen elves and I'm not supposed to read that as tragic fallen hero as opposed to mere villain I think they do intend that but they don't necessarily deliver it very well but I think that was the plan well when she threatened to torture his men to get him to reveal the information I was getting conflicted because I was just like damn so bad for him kind of I think you meant like putting Galadriel as that bad person is meant to make him look better relatively and he also bigs up the whole idea of well we just we're just trying to survive we're coming over between what we can in a land where everyone hates us and would try and kill us so there's definitely sympathetic roots there trying to lay they just exhumed that idea in the most horrific way possible because I can't feel sympathy for you if you just want a homeland for your people first off where were you before where'd you come from why why was that not sufficient the place where you were at hiding from everyone can you not be there alright I guess if you can't does it have to be here in the south lands why here's in particular is it literally just a dormant volcano that you need and wasn't that Sauron's plan anyway so are you are you borrowing from his idea to make a world for your own people or are you actually fulfilling his ambitions knowingly or where does where does he stand in relation to the the whole reason they've come here to begin with what it seems like Sauron's plan was he made the key to make all the volcanic stuff happen and then just rather than do the last bit which was digging the ditch decided to leave and take all of the orcs up north into this snowy area and start working on his whole ring idea so maybe that was an unfinished plan of his that he never really put into action because he wanted to discover that kind of magic first and I'm assuming where they came from is from where Galadriel was at the start that whole base up in this snow so anyway she threatens to kill everybody in his bloodline as you do it was a bit awkward she goes on this big old rant she's one of the edgiest people ever she talks about for a while just how much I can't wait to fucking kill you make you suffer make everyone you love suffer just you know standard stuff like that and uh I always thought it was weird because this comes after him basically arguing like orcs kind of just want their own land which is quite an interesting thing to say because you might be inclined to be like oh well can we work with them a little bit and it's like just highlight the fact that the orcs keep killing everyone and destroying everything just say that to Adar you seem to be evil all the time you seem to do evil shit all the time what's that about and Adar could be like oh you know we do it because you guys deserve it or fucking whatever just get something out of him but instead who responds to him saying like the orcs would like their own land is I'm gonna fucking kill all of you like okay she can't even keep that consistent because so she saves his life in the first place because she wants to interrogate him and then he pisses her off so she says well I'm gonna keep you alive and make you watch as all of your bloodline dies and then she pivots again to say well I'm gonna kill you first and I would like her to pick one and maybe follow that one through yeah she does actually like almost cut his throat as well well she does cut but you know I slit it fully um yeah I vow to eradicate every last one of you it's like alright buddy it's funny as well because Adar he's just gotta chill this whole city just like yeah I guess it's because we know that he knows he's already won what a villain what a great villain he's gotta be pretty worried here expecting like for the boom to happen at any point and it still hasn't gone off oh yeah that would be really tense it's like oh what if that fucking old mad tripped on like a little bit of mud or something dead someone what if the soldiers found him what if something yeah this is obviously the scene where they kiss sorry this image just looks like it okay I was kidding I realized just as I said that I was like oh god this people in chat would be like wait really it's like no no no no hmm I know the show's bad it's not that bad give him a season yeah so yeah she's she's told like by whole brand hey don't you do that and uh yeah and yeah so it's like well gosh darn this whole scene is we just find out that this guy Adah he's definitely not Sauron who could it be and whole brand is like I really like I'm getting them vibes you know at this point I'm 99.836 sure that he is Sauron you know there's still a chance but he's not and then they get their scene which is pretty cringy they both talk about how they've never felt more at peace than when they were killing things side by side or something the blood first yeah I don't even know what to make of that I'm just like oh that's great you guys hope you're doing okay I guess in your heads you know I hope this is all therapy for you for annihilating people and then I was thinking to myself this fight wasn't too difficult it was it was still you know it's not exactly like a tutorial level but it's something that they kind of did pretty quickly first level easy and that presents them a little bit of an issue I think because the queen region was selling that this war was it was essentially an existential threat like the southlands were going to get overtaken by this horrible darkness let's be honest it was a couple of it looked like what like 40 orcs they killed and they seemed pretty just running around and they just all get killed it's like so this was going to threaten all of middle-earth you're saying now we know that there's more to it than that in a moment but for now shouldn't this be like queen we've come a long way and we what we've done seems like we saved like a really small village and to be honest with you we saved like a third of them so I don't know like have you what did Galadriel say it's like well she kind of said like the this was like the whole world was ending sort of thing and we had to do this it's like do you really feel like we've done that do you don't you think there's a little bit more to this story than we haven't we're going back to Númenor I guess that's what I mean this is like Galadriel I'm looking forward to the report back to Númenor when someone goes and tells Farazan what's gone down and Farazan says yes so we've opened up these massive trading opportunities finally what have we got you got Homer's black milk from his chow look you got Galadriel half of Galadriel dead Galadriel had no reason to think that there was a big major force down there all she had was Halbrand saying yeah orcs wiped out my village that was the only information she had now she thought maybe Sauron was there because it was orcs but from numbers or direction no idea at all I find this all bizarre and it doesn't fit at all with what the Númenorians were expecting or to be honest with you oh my god look at that look at that male that she's wearing that quote unquote male feels like they have too much money it's not shouldn't this shouldn't be happening that crease is unacceptable yeah oh that's so disappointing we know the realm is worse there's an actual yeah you're right we've got like a vertical you can see it on the right yeah on the left oh my wow that's a that's a shirt yeah they've printed the male onto it that no that no you had too much money that's not that's not okay for what for your most one of your most prominent characters one of your main characters wearing a t-shirt this isn't an extra in the back that's a shirt so now I'm wondering is the is the breastplate a t-shirt or is it real I think that's real breastplate's real you can see the little shadows underneath that was actually gonna ask I was like they didn't they didn't print it with a shadow or something right that's not I think it looks like the chestplate is real the shoulders are kind of real and then I think yeah you can see that's real you can see you can see whereas on the arms that's clearly a shirt really bad yeah how much did this episode cost this one specifically it's just it's gross like it's seeing that's gross stop it it hurts my eyes well it reminds you that this is a television show not like a real I mean of course none of it's real but it's hard to it just hurts your immersion a little bit you just reminded oh there's like cameras filming this and a whole crew like just I can't see but they were there so lady says five million Jesus sorry the queen says as I understand it these towns people are alive because of you and she's talking to lady not to elf man by the way which is just elf man did a lot of the heavy lifting elf man was clearly the guy it's even worse she doesn't say oh this was a group effort this was the whole community coming together homo was super important elf man pretty much if he wasn't here we'd all definitely be no she says many many people died in its defense that's what she should be saying but she says a bird and I never wanted I just like yeah like fuck you grow away in the last episode when I thought well maybe I'm just gonna not take this up with everyone dying it's when you have your superhero try to save people or acknowledge when he can't save people with just even like a glance or like if somebody falls in battle and you just get that glance it's the little things and here it could have just been yeah I didn't do this alone like you know the village save themselves and so that's like a one two punch of cringe they throw in a third punch who responds to the queen is as like that is what most people who are good at it feel you just want to die the greatest of leaders you're so fucking amazing I guess I could imagine that if they wanted to write it better would be the point that like a lot of the best leaders people who don't want to lead but a thrust into it like they accept the responsibility and you don't have that person saying that about themselves no they would never say this is basic shit it's the thing it's like because of course the line would be like if you wanted her to still talk about herself she could have said no just doing the best I can like that's it if you was close to yes I didn't save everybody the kind of character you want again Theoden is just top tier man but it's just like the kind of character who believes themselves that really as a component they're really not important it's really the people it's really the other individuals it's not them Theoden openly lamented the fact that these dark days are his yeah well he says it was not Theoden of Rohan that led our people to victory right that's a line from him there's a different dynamic obviously he being royalty and the king anyway but with this woman if you wanted to actually portray her as this demure reluctant hero and you also wanted to establish quite a good sort of first relationship between or like what the Numenorians were expecting to find when they got here if Queenie goes and she just she automatically approaches the Elfman on the assumption that he's the one who led all of the defense and this reluctant hero here has said you know she's taking this first opportunity to go back to doing what she is good at she's just killing people she's being a normal woman and then Elfman says actually it wasn't me it was it was her but she's not playing up her own sort of victory in this she's immediately gone back to her normal life or she's doing what comes naturally to her which is being the healer and tending to the sick and the wounded and then you've automatically you've taught the Numenorians something about these people you've not over indulged in in bigging this character up you've shown it to be a genuinely demure and reluctant hero and then you can take it from there and that's a more character rich way of doing things that establishes more and teaches all the characters more about each other but now it's easier just to say you're brilliant yes I am thank you she doesn't take the opportunity yet to say no the real heroes were the villagers who against all odds you know you're removing the leaders entirely you've done a learn you know yeah that's what it means the Elf you have either gladrials saying that oh I can't I wouldn't have expected this kind of valor from southland peasantry or you have the queen saying something like oh I didn't know that you know the people the southlands were this brave and that sort of thing that never comes into the play the peasants are just oh well fuck them don't even mention them it's fine her statement establishes she did great her and it's like that's already reduced everyone else's role and the fact that to be honest with you she didn't do great she nearly tanked everything last night second statement she chooses to make it about she really did great I did it when I didn't even want to and it's like how am I and then the third statement is well yeah I mean that's that's kind of the components that make you great you know it's just like I can't take it I can't take lame characters telling each other they're great what's really lame is that I would imagine that like if you said this to the writers they'd be baffled like they wouldn't even realize that's what you can it's her any given line of dialogue no matter how important or unimportant you think it is can say a lot about a character because it's about it's not just about what they said it's about what they didn't say or I guess more aptly what they chose not to say like the other things that they could have said and this is what they said and what does that tell us about who they are and it's not hard it's really not hard like all it takes is just instead of that just yeah like do it alone or the village saved you know the villagers saved themselves or like I was just a small cog I guess I don't know if they you know I'm just like a smaller part of a larger a larger group just yeah I also like the suggestion as well of her assuming that the elf man was in charge and then him deferring to her that would have been cool that's just another opportunity to characterize him in the conversation you know the queen wants to know who's most responsible and he says it's her and then she's like no it was it's everyone and the elf guy is reluctant to take appreciation but she drags him back in to be like no this fucker helped us a lot you don't understand that sort of stuff which just shows humility it's great way to make us like the characters they fumble every time also Mel was just mentioning wasn't she dying of blood loss like two hours ago she's up and out and up and about she's even in a world even in a world where they like plug a fucking IV of blood into you to get it all pumped back in like you can't do that in this world so she should just be pale and just like I need to sit down and you know what that would be another way to do some great characterization if she was sort of hobbling around checking on people to see if they were okay when she's lost a shit ton of blood when she's down she's like no not until I check like I will I will I just I need to know like yeah don't worry we got it under control you need to rest yourself you know gotta take gotta make sure the doctors are right just seize the opportunities before you they're all right there I guess just do something instead they'll like as someone just said in chat actually she's like I'm narcissistic and then the queen's response I admire that I see myself in you I'm something of a narcissist myself you're supposed to think Merrill is a great leader but the only thing she's done this entire battle is sit on a hill and watch other people do things yeah so from Merrill's perspective we've done the same job and we're both leaders and the craziest part as well is that I think that the show might actually the writers might actually think like when she says a lot of great leaders you know they reluctantly do well for their people it's like the writers would probably say like you see Merrill's talking about herself and be like that's awful that is awful Jesus yeah exactly it's like you know what in this moment of mainly your triumph I figure I would have talked about myself man stop it it's awesome people showed up to help you that would be a fucking amazing though if they both hyper narcissistic and so when the Elfman is like yeah yeah you know what it was it was a broad win she did everything the queen's like wow it was really the Dumanorians that won the fight to be fed off yeah so really it was more because I led them here it was more my choice yeah like people didn't believe that that was a good decision but look at me now and that would be a legitimate scene in the office of the show about narcissistic characters awkwardly trying to get their praise mixed in but this show would do it genuinely and think like see they're both awesome they're almost fighting over how different angle it's a comedy scene where two characters are arguing over who is the most humble amongst them yeah pretty much and then it is like kind of nuts because what do we know about Muriel at all I don't know who she is basically that's the queen Regent right just to be just to oh god and then she's just like hey if you were looking for some relief this over here is Lord Holbrand he's your king he's your king you're a great leader now give it up yeah and everyone's luckily everyone's really happy about this instead of being like I didn't fucking vote for you who the fuck is this guy where's this guy where's he been this whole fucking time I mean that's good you showed up I suppose but are you sure it's so good because you know if there was just one guy he's just he's around he goes oh hey you look pretty neat and you're a king he's like yeah he's like why and then Galadriel's like what do you mean why why that guy yeah why isn't him well he's got the pouch it's like oh where'd he get it the pouch what what makes him king the pouch they just assumed she'd misunderstood you didn't hear me I don't understand when I ask what makes him king I'm asking about his qualities not just that he is a human big I said what makes him king not where does he keep his bling nice and I just love the idea that they would have been like he got it off he may have stolen it off someone that the guy just picks it up and goes am I king now like no then they do a whole thing like oh yeah but we know you stole it and he's like allegedly this is all a legend so you don't you don't know we tell the people in the next village that it's mine then our stories are virtually identical just to be clear but like yeah when you hang on the pouch for that log I just I still often I can't believe this you've just established all these people have to serve this guy because he has the pouch yeah no one else can make that symbol ever that's the joke like it's like the shoe in the gourd from life of Brian but instead it's the pouch everyone just there's this unspoken understood thing that oh yes the royal pouch I don't know if I could take it seriously man there should be like I don't know the fuck you are it's difficult to take serious it's it's amazing how little you have to tweak this to make it a comedy yeah yeah even my mind watching this my mind just immediately goes to the peasants and holy grail again complain about being oppressed you've got equivalent relationship with people you are all individuals I mean if I went around saying that some yes we're all individuals I is it a hot take to say that life of Brian is funnier than my holy grail um I don't know if it's a hot take I think I think most people I don't know people choose whatever right which one's funnier because I I oh it's hard which one I need to re-watch them I don't know which one's funnier I need to re-watch them I happily re-watch them by the way that is something I'm more than happy to do yep likewise so um if you thought we were done with the cringe no we're about to get to one of the most fucking bat shit scenes uh ever and it's done so quickly um so Gladriel hands back the hilt and I am yes I am calling it the hilt for now okay I'm going to we'll get to the other thing it's the hilt for now of course it's in it so Elfman's holding it and he walks over to Theo and he's like oh boy we've done it and here we are and he's like you know don't torment yourself over the fact that you you gave up the hilt you know don't worry about it I don't feel guilty I was just thinking to myself like I don't know he's not really got anything necessarily too guilty to to be over in the sense of um if they were going to ransack that whole place they would have found it if the logic you're going to run with is that then maybe you could just say like either we die one by one as he's trying to get the hilt or I give the hilt up and we take our chances on whether or not we'll die but um it makes me think like so he is once again he is aware that it is the world is in the balance by giving up the hilt right that is the Elfman's perspective as far as I know I mean that's what he should have been telling the Galadriel it always feels like we go in and out of that being a realization or not I'm never quite clear on it I don't know if he knows maybe not the world in the balance I think he knows that it's very important but I don't well I don't think even he would have predicted what it actually did I don't even the audience would have predicted it's like nope I think he tells Ron it was designed it was designed to bind the south lands to Sauron so that what he knows right which I would have assumed like it lets you cast a spell of mind control maybe that could be one interpretation anyway Theo explains that's not why he's feeling down and what we're about to get is what I would call an enormous red flag Theo says when he was holding that thing when he was in my hands I felt power like oh so when I hit him I was just like oh so we're doing the one ring sort of stuff this guy's in trouble he's getting a bit of that addiction you gotta look out gotta be careful so Elfman says alright we'll rid yourself of it once and for all get rid of it and he's like how can we toss it into the sea it's like and then he walks off what the fuck rags is muted right now which is unfortunate but when we were watching it we paused because I just fucking lost my shit oh yeah you made a comparison right or I could just repeat it for you you know what you go ahead it's like someone explaining to you man you know that meth I tried it was really fucking good to the point where I'm actually kind of worried about myself and then this guy just comes up to you and says you hate meth you want to get off meth because you're so addicted well here's a whole brick of meth why don't you go throw it in the ocean like what it's like meth makes me feel powerful meth makes me feel really good here then have this brick of meth you how about you go get rid of this for us I couldn't like it's unbelievable if someone is addicted to it you might be like you know what I'm gonna go make sure it's rid of this world you have nothing to worry about we're getting rid of this thing I'll sort it out for you don't you worry thanks for telling me buddy but yeah I'll sort this one out but instead he's like here it is you go ahead and he just fucking hands it to him and I was absolutely losing it I couldn't believe it because I was like this is gonna facilitate some crazy shit it's so fucking stupid well funnily enough it doesn't even facilitate it doesn't facilitate anything it doesn't facilitate that well look it doesn't facilitate that specific brand of bullshit well so it doesn't change this is kind of the thing we were talking about last stream right with the whole drunk driving thing it's like just because it didn't have the consequence it probably would have had it doesn't change the Elfman's decision being incredibly fucking just horrible reckless and insane literally before Elfman has left he's looking at his scars from having used it which is like it's almost like track lines or something yeah I can't believe this shit oh and they're all holding it by like the sword end as well because they know none of them can hold it by the handle which would be natural because then you'd immediately feel that it wasn't the right one so yeah the reason why this doesn't have the consequences you might imagine the something else to realize here I was confused for a second when I first saw this I had no idea how they could possibly be saying this is reality sort of thing it's one of those moments with the show thinks it's very clever right it's like ah we've put things in place got him like if you paying close attention you might have spotted that this was a potential you could already tell as he's unwrapping this wait a second that doesn't look at all like it should uh he still hasn't realized himself yet though no nobody has which is I suppose the first thing to talk about but um we have an issue there is an issue you might be I'd be remiss to not say there are several issues this is this is like wait a minute that's not the hilt at all that's but it was the bag I'm kind of what has happened here is a sword like weapon so I think you can sort of forgive them for that I guess there's just many questions this particular development raises did nobody check to see what was in the rag this has cost several people's hands for a decent chunk of time yeah for some time and it's not one of them see what was in it nobody felt the difference in weight or size and shape or just none of that but the bigger insanity is that Galadriel was not curious to look at this thing this thing that she was told must not be allowed in enemies hands yeah just never cared to look at it it's like we got it we're good this is it I'm not gonna check just to make sure the whole mission hinges on this particular object no you see that just shows the arrogance of the characters and their pride and how that's their undoing they wouldn't take these simple steps because they were so self-assured and their certainty you see you see this because elf man told her that she had to not let him escape with that object so even if she doesn't quite know what it is that is more a reason to look and see what it is that's true yeah that is true because you don't even know what it is what do you mean it was just a tomahawk what is this a magic evil tomahawk that will awaken sauron is this sauron's tomahawk was he an avid tomahawk thrower did he tie a rope for maximum effectiveness elf man is pretty familiar with this thing and he managed to hold this without even realizing not noticed beyond and so you're like where's the real one woldrick has it and he's gone back to the watchtower he's activated the sword and he's plunged it into this thing there's this big old slot on the floor underneath the little statue that depicts the sword as a key which brings us to I think I should just summarize the whole event first and then we can spend the next 10 years talking about this it's unreal he stabs it down it opens up a little spillway for a dam essentially for water it piles out and it all flows down uh the big old trench that we saw them building this whole time and the trench ends in an opening to a volcano that is dormant and it plows all the water in there which activates the volcano it erupts like fucking crazy and it seems like there's some level of supernatural shit going on here it's like turning the world to darkness as well like the ground is even becoming you know I think we go in Mordor mode it's the idea you guys remember Mordor it's quite dark I remember Mordor, I clapped I clapped when I saw Mordor there's a couple of other things that happen as well including but not limited to the pyroclastic flow, Adar escaping a conversation between Elendil and Sun we'll get to all those things we're going to just discuss this insane shit as best we can I suppose where to start this kind of just it recontextualizes everything we've seen up to this point in terms of what Adar's plan was which is I need to build up my orcs capture some humans dig up that trench ready to open up the dam to activate Mount Doom and to do that I'm gonna need to get the hilt I don't know where it is at all I just hope I'll eventually find it and then put it presumably he knew he was gonna put it here the whole time or did he discover that this episode I'm not sure that is the plan in fall is that key all meant to be the eye of Sauron oh boy I don't know why the elf when they pulled all the trees and stuff away from the wall didn't immediately just see this it's pretty obvious and as was said if you fill that with any old thing it's gonna fuck up the whole plan fill it up with concrete man this is evil shit if you drop a whole bunch of little stones in there until it fills it all the way up like that's it just take gamers and break the whole mechanism yeah you could also do that unless it's all immune to being hit by anything like all the evil stuff is for some reason I still don't know why he's made this complex key to begin with it's not like he didn't even cause if it was just a lever you could be like well anyone could set it off so he wanted a locking mechanism but he wanted this to happen to the area so surely it doesn't matter who set it off it didn't need protecting it wasn't meant to be top secret or anything it just seems really over engineered for what could have just been a button well so we have to imagine that back when they were having their big old war was Mordor do not like it goes dormant and then they're like we're gonna do that by piling loads of water in there so what's the best way to do that well there's a stream over here if we jam it up dam it up and then release it all our future generations dig a big trench we can line it all up to go straight in there we go that's great we'll design this mechanism to lock it all up and unlock it and we'll make the key this big old sword I'm just sitting here like so if you have an army of orcs and you're actually near the coastline you're telling me then that with all the work the orcs did they could have just had loads of buckets right and just sort of tossed all the water in there I don't know is that reasonable or not I don't know there was actually an article I don't remember which websites doing it discussing the science of this scene and whether it's actually possible buckets wouldn't have worked because there's not enough water in there and it probably would have evaporated before it even hit yeah so you'd need to get a trench going down I think it's three kilometers or four kilometers deep which is where the magma chamber is and you'd need a lot of water in there which would then create an awful lot of steam which would create an eruption of swords and it just happened in real life steam eruptions are very different from normal volcanic eruptions they happen all the time it would happen at once and they don't be magma everywhere it wouldn't be a volcano where magma is just or lava is oozing out of it constantly it would just be like it explodes because of the steam and the pressure and then it's done but if you are going to go periodically anyway there's always a build up of pressure in a volcano and it just spurts a little bit of an hour and then it's fine again but you wouldn't be able to do it with buckets you would need a trench it would need to be a lot of water but then again it sort of poses the question who built the dam in the first place and then if it wasn't the elves who built the dam they might have asked why the dam was built but if you see, yeah because you have to have not just the dam being built being built with this mechanism because the mechanism is clearly integral to the whole design it's not just an addition it has to be done with that it needs to be built with that in mind which means it can't have been the elves who built it because the elves would have had no reason to build it with the mechanism leading water into the volcano which means they would surely have asked what is the purpose and point of this dam even existing anyway and is it not perhaps notable that this massive trench that we would definitely have spotted from our watchtowers seems to be leading directly to this dam they didn't spot that dude they didn't spot anything yeah he wasn't talking to Elfman reported to whoever that was it doesn't exist in this show they're like elf command is this supposed to be Gilgalad elf command they're like oh we've been recalled yeah but it's like by who and why don't those people care about you all of them are dead now except Elfman also the Gilgalad is as far away from this place as it's possible to be because Lindon is far south the far northwest and then you have the southlands which are far southeast it's like the entirety of Middle Earth is the distance and you should have you'd think what you do in the lore have but you should even in this universe have multiple different elvish kingdoms factions fortresses outposts whatever between the far northwest and the far southeast that you would be reporting to it doesn't really make a huge amount of logistical sense to have in the reporting straight back to Gilgalad and Lindon because you couldn't get further away from where you are here the reason why they get recalled is because Gilgalad sends Galadriel away and then he says that's it the war's over there's peace in our time and then that cancels everything around the whole area and so nobody cares the nobody cared that they never came back like nobody checked we're just gonna have to accept that that's the thing that happened because we see Gilgalad later and the elves later and they just don't ask there's no inquiry there's no investigation like yeah whatever I guess the writers just didn't think about it I just don't know why if you've made a big locking mechanism and a dam and all this sort of magical keys and stuff why you wouldn't have just dug the tunnels at the same time why you needed a load of orcs to come in and finish your plan for you yeah why didn't you have secret tunnels underneath that it could like you just have to like you have to remove the door or mine a boulder or something and it opens up the tunnels that you dug ages ago because that shit will last yeah it's really weird that they built all this knowing that our future generations will have to build an absurdly huge trench that's incredibly long to make this work which is the more difficult part than a dam as well you say that but the thing is if you're Ada we can build that dam sorry we can dig that trench and we can unlock that dam the hardest component of all of this from his perspective I guess you were talking about from when they set this whole thing ages ago I was just gonna say like they have no idea where the hilt is up until it's quote quote found so that could have been anywhere literally anywhere building that whole trench would have been really awkward if they never found the hilt huh breaking down the dam yeah I guess they could break down the dam is there anything stopping them from doing that is it magical stone I don't know I assume you could just chisel it away yeah well it's kinda like you know how in like the ints they fucked up the dam two towers you know they could go for the supports of the dam they didn't have to get a spooky sword that's true the spooky sword just was I don't know I guess it's nice to be looking for it it's really great if you do find it it does make that work easier and so yeah everything really did hinge on this hilt um we'll have to assume that Adar understood the entire system well ahead of time so this is in service of creating a world for his orcs to be happy in right that's the idea yeah ash goes into the sky blocks out the sun and they can run around so uh he finally defeats the villagers gets a hold of that hilt and he's like I'm too clever I'm gonna hand it to waldrig and get him to enact the plan while I will become the decoy I thought that was kind of strange I thought maybe you would want to give it to your like most trusted person which I doubt is the guy you met yesterday um how does he have tykes if I remember that scene correctly he comes out of the tavern Adar comes out of the tavern and bouldrig is just standing there and Adar has time I need you to do something for me but then the numenoreans attack so how in between the horse charge and the horse arrival does he have time to say take this hilt go to this specific place find this thing this is what it looks like this is what you do with a sword this is where you put the sword this is how you twist the sword and this is what will then happen does he have time to do all of that before the horse is hit him I think he would have recorded an explanation on his mobile phone and handed it to him and said play this video when you get there that would have handled it yeah and then you have to believe that woldrig managed to sneak past everyone and everything to get there um I suppose if he just sprinted into the forest that's probably likely I guess I don't know he's like he's the most noticeable of the villagers to the other villagers this is the guy who led the revolt so the other villagers would surely have been on the lookout or they'd at least spotted him there and maybe said maybe that's the one part I would give them some level of benefit of the doubt because most of the villagers are currently stuck in the tavern meanwhile if he comes across as a random villager running into the forest to the numerorians or the orcs I don't think either side will care that much whatever the fuck that guy and even if the villagers saw woldrig running off into the forest I doubt they would be like we must stop him they'd probably be like oh that piece of shit anyway moving on because he's running like a coward so it's just unfucking real man woldrig with his stupid little spooky hilt is the reason Mount Doom exists it's pretty insane isn't it I can't Jackson films it's all because of woldrig he is the key to everything key to Mordor they create fucking hell and so yeah none of the fucking plan makes any sense at all in terms of when they would have set this up originally and how they've approached it at this point it's incredibly lucky that everything rolled out the way that it did and then you start to have these little bonus questions like did woldrig know how important that hilt was and if he did why the hell did he let Theo hang on to it when Theo is not even like drinking the cool lady he's not in the cult he didn't even see it didn't Theo show it to him in episode 3 he explicitly says you took it from my barn he knows that Theo's got it and that he took it so we have to assume that he doesn't know really how important it is because otherwise he would never have let Theo keep it just that it is important that alone should have been enough reason for him to not let him keep it it doesn't work can't work no matter how they and then there was probably a difference in the last stream or yesterday stream and then he just asks Theo to go with him rather than stealing the sword first and taking it off with him none of that makes any sense yeah but you can't let things not making sense get in the way of a good stuff get in the way of rings of power especially gonna soldier on what is that plan here why are they just running up to the orcs randomly I don't know but I thought it was funny that the orcs just casually like we're gonna break out now and kill you it's like yeah the form in which that they had them captured was just they're in like a little zone and they've told to behave I think that's it is that meant to be them demonstrating how much powerful they are now there's no sun it's like the sun is already been blocked out it's still here a little bit they're probably slogging it yeah all right maybe the orcs boosted power level also the show see this guy here near the center of the camera look at that and vaporized now he just has the weirdtism he's like oh no with a volcano just fully launching to that degree in front of these people within that distance I was just like so all of you are dead pretty sure that's how that works yeah especially in this day and age you ain't got this ain't 2012 where you John Cusack in your little car and you can just escape the entire situation okay you do there's no cover possible yeah except if there's like a cellar and even then like you're not gonna be having a good time once the smoke because it's the smoke that's the big problem for you really like all of this is bad but once that smoke reaches you like yeah you're done how to breathe you got at the end of the day you gotta be able to breathe try airway breathing circulation well this is one bit by here though I was like if you can see that's Theo near the center of the camera that like detonates and look at him in reference to this it's like oh he's fucked that's annihilated and then you get another shot that's here and he's like whoa that was close I'm fine that nearly hit the queen as well by the way add alphabets that would be so funny if like one little comet just wiped out Theo alphabets in the queen region and Broadway that would be great oh and hullbrand as well we have new characters yay re-roll on new characters it's for the best why does he still have no expression about what's going on I don't know same as her she's come out and said something really stupid though this was her moment of peace she was just exhausted and this gave her a moment of peace I can get a quote if you want it's amazing please do a moment of peace I have questions by the way this is not something you want to be seeing this is one of those moments of like ooh I need to leave I need to run you see the old man to the left there that's a good move you see the people to the right who are running toward the smog that's a bad move that's because they don't actually know what's in front of them that's a big ol' green screen they have no idea nobody told them while they were filming I guess he's just sprinting into the fucking smog that's what you do it's vaporizing everything what are they gonna do to justify this I told you they'll have a parody but like do they understand am I to believe that this is just a magical a magical explosion that is actually less harmful to you than a real person like in a real in a real world volcanic eruption if this happens to you that's it it's over so it'll be less it'll be less violent and dangerous and potent friend of mine who's a big ol' fan of Lord of the Rings was ranting to me after seeing this episode one of the things was he sort of went on a tangent about how fucking bad he thinks Morvith Clark is acting and I don't blame him what am I supposed to draw out of this expression I actually have no idea well she's she's awake that's true well some people can sleep with their eyes open I guess that was me doing half the show it doesn't really juxtapose with the quote I think because I think I saw the one that this group retweeted juxtapose what she says there with the expression on her face here and see how much of that you picked up wait so what is we got a quote we can read out yeah it's in the she was utterly spent and so exhausted and so regretful that she's completely immobilized and almost is kind of grateful to have a moment of peace I think she's just utterly paralyzed by guilt fear rage and thousands of years of it so like I didn't I didn't get any of that the crazy thing is that this is what I mean about listening to actors talk about this shit I would have said best faith interpretation that she thought we were on the verge of finally getting the victory she's always wanted and then she sees this which annihilates everything and this is so this is like one of the worst moments forever and she's absolutely frozen by it that's the best faith interpretation I'd have but she's just added this whole dumbass what on top of it so I think that the best faith one is the only one that can work that this is a complete moment of resignation essentially of dread well I guess you could have two fold right either dread or resignation but it would probably be dread right like on the cusp of victory it all falls apart and you why would you walk into it that's what gets me she's dead everybody is I don't know how is because people in chat are memeing well it's evil so it's not hard I guess I have to presume that's the way that it works in this show because it's over but from like a pure visual storytelling standpoint what do the writers actually think I'm meant to believe here because when I watch this it's like oh is that the end of the show that's it they lost and got consumed by a giant lot of it going home absolutely none of them nobody's going home it's over even the ash doesn't make sense because ash is black but in all the trailers and stuff that whole scene where she's covered in red that's this that's the next episode I just realized from that preview image she's gonna be that scene I remember seeing clips of that ship before she's gonna be in red soot for everybody basically right but how can you breathing how can she breathe it's so unreal why I know that the writers and directors would be like this is lord of the rings it's a magical shut up I know it's the lord of the rings but like I presume that when a fucking volcano erupts and you get blasted with ash that's not gonna be you're not gonna be okay no no no unless you work to tell me they're magical 1300 degree fahrenheit the elves can take that because that's how they're made yep that whole meteor man scene with the hobbit where she falls in and goes oh this is cold that might just be like their setup for this so everyone's beaming where it's at I would not be surprised if they think that's so clever why would somebody watch this and go like 10 out of 10 I don't know what it is that would be epic they want to get a job at Amazon is that it like epic tragedy and you have a lot of money and there was a fight scene a big action scene that wasn't very good I guess I just don't see I don't see how this could be fun for anybody that mortal was created because what was the guy's name the crazy old man put a sword in a hole and then a dev and then mount doom was created why would anybody be happy about that like if they went to watch return of the king and then there's mount doom and you're like ah yeah I remember when the old man put this sword in old man waltrick the crazy old man waltrick the man will sing songs about him forever more the song of old man you'll be an old hero yeah and yeah that's the thing that bothers me about this whole fucking show it's insane the first five hours and I'm legitimately trying to like be of some level of fairness here it's like summarize them stories like the half it's guy falls out of space he's chilling out with our main character who's a part of a community that are trying to migrate that's it full done all of it dwarves it's like well they were mining really deep they've come across mithril they've discovered it and it's a bit awkward because it cost them a few mining areas it's like they're not sure about it okay elves they're having trouble they're losing the light of the eldar and they might need mithril to sort that out they've started an alliance in terms of building some stuff with the dwarves okay southlands yeah well the orcs are attacking them and so they went to the watchtower to hide out okay and bear in mind I'm describing the first five hours it's like right so what else we got left now it's like numinorians well I guess Galadriel the numinorians she is trying to hunt Sauron but then she decides to come back and she convinces the numinorians to go to the southlands and attack the orc incursion that's there that is that is that it is that everything yeah and then it's like and then in episode 6 what happens oh just like mount doom gets created yeah just mordor is you know mordor is now exit isn't that insane we had five episodes where like we wasted so much time and then in episode 6 it's like oh yeah mordor now doom like they realized they had to catch up and things hadn't happened again leaving the docks of numinor and at the end of the next episode the war has been completed what do you mean the war has been completed and then no it wasn't everything goes horrible and now we got mount doom and mordor like we are racing in episode 6 yeah look at this look at this repeating like this is this is the experience of watching this show just standing there as you're consumed by this cloud of death how can she survive this how can anybody survive this how is she the force of that as well like oh yeah alone would there's so much physics here like temperature the lack of oxygen as you just said even just the blowing away of what's happening here it's showing us that all of the other objects this is plowing through the buildings the fences the grass it's all getting annihilated there is electricity in this thing like I don't see it has its own weather systems and you're just getting totally still they want to be like how did they want to bait that she's died from this and then be like she made it everybody and that's like a catharsis moment for the audience to be like oh thank goodness how can you bait that galadriel died because they're a special kind of people because the people who like this are dumb well do they not know who she is and that she's very much is not dead it's a different galadriel I was about to say do we really believe this is galadriel after everything we've seen right well yeah because I guess we haven't talked about it that much but like this isn't this is like not tethered to Peter Jackson's like Lord of the Rings at all right like it's not even constantly wise I think it's meant to be it's not allowed to be like legally connected to it but it's all in the same universe and it's all meant to be canon I guess because I've been watching this like this ain't no this is just like totally different it's like totally not connected they keep doing those those callback very over at callbacks to those films including stealing some lines oh sure that I guess it's it's more so that in no official sense in you know in the sense that like um Disney Star Wars like is the sequel to the original trilogy as upsetting as that might be because you've got the same actors same continuity timeline directly and like the studio that created it is the studio that owns all of it whereas here it's like uh you know like nobody who made the original how it sure is involved you know it's very easy to divorce it I've been treating it basically in my head like this is not connected to the films the first time it became clear to me that it's actually annoyed me more than ever seeing Mount Doom being activated it's like you get the fuck away from me for everything that we've seen so far there's a level of like disconnect that you can have but here it's like no I know shit calling her Galadriel is one thing but she's so unlike her doesn't look anything like this so I'm just like it's fine I can just ignore that Elrond same deal then that's going on and it's like Mount Doom is a big old volcano it's kind of hard for me to be like you don't look like volcano yeah why would anybody be happy with this though as like the way they did the origin I guess I guess that's I guess I'm just baffled by the 10 out of 10 and I'm not like the like I just I don't understand what would be cool and appealing about any of this IGN gave episode 5 a 7 out of 10 as well so starting from a relatively high mark well yeah IGN when they do reviews for like media skew higher then video games skew higher for review scores than films and TV shows generally like if a game gets a 7 that's kind of the equivalent of if a film gets a 5 in a lot of people's minds I think IGN does the same thing with their film reviews they scale up big time but even then like a 7 so this is 3 points higher this is a good you know 30% wait shit I'm messing up my damn probabilities and statistics we talked about this yesterday they think it's markedly better than the last episode is it because there were fight scenes is it because there were fight scenes and then Mount Doom exploded like and that might actually be it it could be this shot this is I could totally see other people being like this was incredible this is cinema this is cinema yeah this is what was all leading up to Galadriel standing totally still as a massive cloud of ash just washes over her her hair wasn't even moving well I looked it up her hair stands in defiance of death in defiance of physics yeah they say it delivers exceptional action and character development oh god that yeah we could read that a gorgeous emotional roller coaster that ends with an enormous blow to the heroes you could say that yeah enormous blow all of the ground being paid off apparently that's another thing so all of the preceding episodes is worth it because of this so one of their highlighted quotes one of the highlighted quotes is episode 6 showed a masterful ability to weave all this character building into dramatic action sure that's all I considered okay sure that's good as well at least it's finally portraying the orcs as being more complicated and that's good because we need to have a proper conversation about what it's like to have races that are evil by nature so they haven't watched the extra credits they haven't watched our coverage of the extra credits video but they need to do it this is their little blurb at the end right their little statement 10 out of 10 masterpiece the tides of battle keep turning in the thrilling and devastating 6th episode of the lord of the rings the rings of power giving us fantasy television at its finest well you want to vomit really really I know right like it's I don't I do not understand what the appeal would be for this show given that there are like no characters it's basically who are the characters in this show like as in if you sat somebody down if you sat down the person who gave it a 10 out of 10 it's like can you just list me like in dot point form 5 traits of Galadriel the main character just like 5 traits that she has dot point them for me even that I'd be curious if they're all going to be negative they are going to be negative I would say arrogance it's a huge one vanity narcissism like this headstrong that's not negative enough reckless is better negligent maybe yep I'd go with that these are all very fair socially inept like she has no idea how to work with anybody yeah and these are all unintentional these are not the traits that they it's just and then once you go past them it's like well if you went to a different character could you list more than 3 traits that they have because they all generally have one and even like that one is a very generic nebulous yeah it's not a strong one you're not a complicated character but you have this very strong trait about you that's interesting to watch one note isn't necessarily boring elf man is basically his trait is protagonist that's like his trait he's like the generic hero man I will do what is right because being right is good and being good is right yeah he's generic hero man and then it's like well what about Elrond is I don't know kind of like a liar a liar I thought you just said he's just a live he's around he exists I just say that he's like generic elf man basically like generic he's kind of like what even is a generic elf in this show we learned so little about kind of just aristocrat basically like that's it like generic sort of aristocrat character who's posh maybe that's it he's posh that's the only thing that I can describe him but I struggle a lot of the time okay let's do an easy one you can describe Nori's traits he goes off the trail absolutely go for it basically oh yeah she's not like the other hobbits that's her well what else she goes off the trail right she does things differently the rebel she's basically that she's peppy that's basically who she is watch the show with your actress and be like I have been watching six hours of this do you feel this is real good for Nori do you feel it blame you or the director well it's gotta be the director surely like the amount of characterization that it's in every scene of Lord of the Rings and every interaction you have with everybody and everything and it's just so frustrating they couldn't learn anything and take anything forward in this show they don't know how to do any of it always backwards or nothing we don't think this is very good in case anyone would die it's not quite as good as Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy it's not quite almost it's pretty it's almost there it's pretty good but not quite imagine if you put yourself 15 years down the line and you're looking back the long history of televised or cinematic Lord of the Rings and you say tell me about Gimli tell me about Aragorn tell me about Legolas tell me about Gandalf or even just say which of the characters that most immediately jump out to you who are the people that you really love and remember from that show every single one of them comes from the Jackson films the combined extended edition will be so much shorter in its total duration than the five seasons of Rings of Power will be if you ask anyone to say if you ask anyone to tell you in 15 years time tell me about Nori from Rings of Power no one's even going to remember her name we can already struggle through that 20 years since Lord of the Rings and those things are still gems of culture we have examples of this already in all of the these new shows that have been coming out like all the new characters and obviously the destroyed ones like who's, what's the name of the Ali Kari, someone like that the bad guy from Falcon Man Soldiers Morgan Fowl tell me about her, nobody knows well nobody could even tell you what the plot of the show even was I don't think they could tell you I don't think they could tell you the plot of like Moon Knight, that was what 6 months ago what's the name of the girl in Moon Knight oh my god I'm pretty sure I just had it and it's gone Layla Layla I have no clue, so baby someone in chat just said Layla so it's probably that, yeah and then there was Arthur, the villain and what was his goal, he just really liked the Crocodile Lady I don't remember her name because it's a big old fan of Armit, that was it but that's the thing it's just um and it's really the media is super disposable and you don't want that to be Lord of the Rings the Lord of the Rings like TV show this massive production is gonna be have no enduring I just don't see it, I don't see this show having any sort of enduring legacy because I guess I'm just I'm not convinced when I see people saying that like it that it's really enjoyable and interesting to them that at best it's like I guess this is nice to look at and watch and just consume the story but I just don't see it, I don't really this show in particular I don't get what the appeal would be It just drops immediately from the mount 20 years down the line your parents introducing their kid to the Lord of the Rings for the first time they're watching the Jackson films and maybe the kid says Daddy how did Mordor get like that and then the parent says let me tell you the story of a man called Waldrig I don't think that's gonna happen How do you summarize Waldrig's story he's the descendant of a bunch of people who were with Morgoth when he finds out the orcs are on their way to his village he goes up to the watchtower and then he says you know what he's coming up with the orcs and he does and then he creates Mordor his story might not be over though cause he's still in that tower I don't know what the fuck they would do with his story but Sean I'd love him to go like he comes back he's gonna be fucking hilarious as the spillway opens he slips on the water coming through and he's in that trench just going waaah and he goes all the way down to Mordor he was the first explosion explosion critical most yeah he hits the lava Mordor first before all the water does it's into a giant Waldrig he's the slow most it's like when Godham falls into the crowd and he's falling and he gets Waldrig doing everyone's favourite of Waldrig he hits it and he's like the guy who got slowly lowered into acid in rick and morty oh god brrrrr uuuuughhhhhh yeah yeah this is the worst episode of the season I thought so it pissed me off absolutely the most and his dense as fuck even though I think it took us longer to cover episode 5 but then again Shad was here so that makes some more sense I feel like if Shad were here he probably would have had many things to say unfortunately he couldn't quite make it the backup seems so bad that just anyone could tell you everything that's wrong you don't need a Shad for this one it's that basic stuff that you mess with you just watched it it should just speak for itself I would NEVER recommend anyone watch this thing I don't know what what would be like a note like some shots look nice sometimes the music's good yeah it was Bruth mentioning yeah Adar escaped at some point yeah nobody was watching him his chains weren't very good yeah they were a little bit loose nobody was watching him he would have just been obliterated by the fucking mordor activations good thing he got out of there maybe just dug a hole and hid yeah that's true and the only other thing was Elendil Elendil's like your pain is bothering your horse my son and then he's like I'm not in pain it detects your pain your mental pain yeah then he's like oh how do you know this and he's like I learned it from your mum okay but all this is going off while a volcano is erupting it's kind of weird to throw that scene in in the middle of the of the whole Mordor scene it is really fucking weird that they just put that in there do they expect anyone to remember that you don't put any character developing scene immediately like 2 seconds before the most dramatic cosmic event in the show it's just not what you do narratively well yeah because I guess you could summarize it as oh they're friends now they were kind of not friends but now they're friends now and it's funny as well because it's like a seal that wasn't using that horse in a grand total of about 5 minutes or I guess a day's ride right but he did that in seconds so I don't fucking onscreen 12 seconds there you go 12 second bomb yeah and he jumped off it like almost immediately episode 6 wow incredible that's some cinema right there glad we got through it though so I suppose we should get back to finishing up super chats because we've got exactly I got about 2 hours exactly before I have to stop so I think we should be oh sure alright but I will offer both little platoon and disperu if you guys would like to get on with life itself or hang out with us it's completely up to you I wouldn't want to restrict you because I already appreciate how much time you guys have sacrificed breaking down this awful thing I've got about an hour and they're gonna know how much you sacrificed for them good line that's another show everyone will forget about WandaVision well yeah okay in that case just let me know thought yeah no problem if needs be I'll just take on from where we were earlier which was have you seen the 5 hour long review called how Incredibles 2 destroyed everything by Gaming Magic 13 it's a great video with some very well thought out criticisms and some fantastic editing let me actually put that on a new tab that sounds interesting Gaming Magic 13 that's the name I have not seen it but yeah sounds like that's definitely a video I could see being made because Incredibles 2 was fucking annoying alright yeah I'm gonna put that up on another tab and take a look you should check out Tolkien's Untangled's videos in which he details how he would have adapted the second age his suggestions are infinitely but no way his suggestions are better I couldn't have known that what Tolkien might be able to tell stories better than someone this person who rigs the power who these collection of I was gonna say Clowns but Clowns don't deserve that they're trying trying to make people laugh at least Daredevil is 56 million for season 1 rings a power of 60 million per episode that's insane another little fun fact is that Daredevil was the production schedule was tight I think they made each episode was filmed in 13 days which that's short for a show like that I mean it's just yeah there's kind of no excuse really in the case of rings of power it's the most expensive show I've ever made like technical limitations and constraints like a lot of the constraints that make it difficult to tell to achieve certain things in other shows didn't exist here it's the writing the writing lets it down cause it's like the part that isn't contingent on the budget but yeah it's probably the easiest thing to do when you've got an infinite budget you can base it on a billion dollars almost infinite for a TV show you could hire whoever you wanted the problem is that writing doesn't writing doesn't seem to be valued like in any sort of clear tangible way actors are valued in a way cinematographers like all manner of parts and of course just the physical like filming visual effects this is all like a price attached to it but with writing there just doesn't seem to be we all seem to vaguely you know like we create a binary of good bad and everyone's got a judge acting and we take some serious moments it seems like the whole world is vaguely able to throw the dart in the correct binary same for cinematography, same for a lot of things but when it comes to writing it is just all over the fucking place we have like millions and millions of people who think that it's okay let's put it this way if you're on like the board of directors and they're like alright we're trying to sort out who's going to be writing the next star war and it's like JJ Abrams and you go no, no, no, no, no, no, that was awful and it's like okay, write it and then you go who else you got and it's like Colin Treveraro and you're like why would you suggest him they're like well because Jurassic World films and then you're like why do you think that's a good reason to do it they're like they made money what are you talking about? it seems like something that is I guess as interesting as when you think about names that names attached to and recognized in like the occupations of filmmaking you know you've got directors who everybody's familiar with actors to some extent cinematographers as well maybe not as much in the mainstream with writers it feels like there's not as big a list of screenwriters that people immediately recognize and understand what their work is you've got people like Aaron Sorkin I guess you could say Tarantino fits in that he's recognized for his writing as well the list just isn't as big though and like it seems like with television shows it's often writing teams right people would recognize the Simpsons writing team but you probably struggle to find many people who could tell you the names of like many of the writers on that team I don't know I guess like maybe it is a matter of in because with books like you know there's so many books where you look at them the author's name is bigger than the title of the book because like when it comes to novels the author is often like way more important than specifically like what's well you don't have cinematography in like books and well I mean it makes total sense right like it is just the writing that's all you have I guess putting to one side the editor but like the editing is the writing as well it's just the writer at the forefront but the bare minimum the bare minimum you'd expect is that they had credits to their name that they'd actually written a load of stuff like the kind of baffling that you would get the showrunners to have yeah and the writers themselves if you look at the writers basically nothing what we've seen with Marvel as well like a lot of the recent Marvel films it's like how many writing credits do you have two it's like really like you got Michael Waldron was an assistant writer for like one season of community wrote one episode of Rick and Morty it's like you get to be the lead writer of a Marvel television show I don't get it I don't understand that I just have no idea maybe it's right because if you got somebody like Tarantino how much control can you exercise I mean they had Edgar Wright and he left Yat-sem Rami too you get the occasional story of a director who's finally allowed to create his passion project he's written the thing, he's created the thing this is entirely his own work and quite often the director has no taste and no imagination and the passion project completely fails because he's the only person who's interested in that but I wonder whether the wrong lesson isn't sometimes taken I imagine from a studio's perspective it is safer and more reliable to have a larger team of nobodies who you know you can overrule if you want to than to put all of your eggs in the basket held by that one guy who's a little bit wacky and he really has this passionate idea because if that fails well you're kind of screwed there's no oversight over that whatsoever whereas if you have this team of nobodies who've not done anything before they will be much more in-hoc to your concerns as a studio so that you can focus group with them and if you want to change a part of the plot because the focus group told you they didn't understand it well the director, the writer whatever they're not going to argue with you too much because they owe their careers to you at this point I think it's as simple as the less of a reputation you have the less you're able to exercise that authority um there is it sucks and it's clearly one of the biggest reasons why so many of these massive productions fail in terms of just being good but man I'm like most scripts really matters like the script is super important but it's just not valued that much it's the story and the characters and it's just chat on it's only the story guys and I think because people would say film is a visual medium and all of that and it's like I think the way that I would explain it is what is a story at its most base form if you start pulling back um visuals and sound design what do you end up with well at the end of the day it's going to be words on a page um it's uh it's like I don't know what it looks like to have a film without a screenplay um in much the same way that I don't know what it means to have a film that doesn't have visuals it is inextricable which is important it matters it needs to be valued more needs to be understood what the difference is we say this all it's people in chat trying to explain how it ends up happening it's like bad robot there's a lot of uh nevitism in terms of what writers get chosen for what things and stuff and it's just like yes but all of this is that they are assuming that they do know how to write when JJ Abrams writes up his script for The Force Awakens he doesn't think like man I'm such a bad writer he's like nah I know what people want to see and then by the way he got a shit ton of praise he got all kinds of people telling him that he saved the series and that he did an incredible job and I just think like you know it's hard to tell at that point what bad writer good write is why would he believe us yeah that's true people are really delving into the reasons why he would just be like yeah I guess it's don't like it for whatever reason but all the praise I'm getting and all the money I've been given it must be successful I did all the stuff on my checklist mystery box and everything I did all I hit all the things I'm supposed to do or a few jokes that's what I'm supposed to do it's about experience right but even if the script writer thinks that what they've written is a masterpiece that's gonna get handed up the chain and everyone above them is gonna read it and they also have to think it's great and at no point when they're filming it or watch the first episode they think actually this is it's not coming off right we need to change this I guess to probably because when it comes to certain people the most important thing is do we think people will like it because as opposed to how our test groups respond to this yeah we have to be careful as well because I think that even the five of us here right now are much more invested in writing as a craft than a lot of normal people even people in the industry right you could sit down with all the producers of Rings of Power or whatever else and we watched the Jackson trilogy and we're like ah it's fucking great yeah excellent I love that put on Rings of Power and we're like and then they're like having the exact same experience that they just had with the Jackson trilogy and you're like why and they're just like what do you mean why it's the fantasy it's action-packed scenes there's characters who are moving along it's like yeah of course I do oh you don't actually see the difference that's unfortunate sucks you're missing out on like what films have to offer yeah because then you want to roll back instead of explaining the why Rings of Power is bad you need to be like wait can you tell me why Lord of the Rings is good because that's way more important tell me why it's good I need to know what you value do you know what's happening in it that's valuable and if they're like yeah I loved it when Aragorn was like I'm gonna get you with my sword there's a latent awareness that these things are not quite the same so like you know quite often you'll get comments under videos saying why are you thinking so hard about the blockbuster film it's just a blockbuster film like Jurassic World Dominion for example criticizing Dominion you get people underneath you get the weird class of people who just dino fanatics who will love anything and you get the other class of person who says like well why are you thinking too hard about it I thought it was really good fun it was enjoyable Jurassic Park was just a blockbuster don't think so hard about it so it was like okay I accept that you enjoyed Dominion is do you think really Dominion is accepting you enjoy it do you think it's as good as Jurassic Park and if you really push people on it the answer is usually no and the same thing is like with any summer blockbuster critic criticizes a Marvel film and people say why are you thinking so hard about a Marvel film it's just a blockbuster and you say okay is this Marvel film better than Jaws and they'll usually say no and then you can start having that interesting conversation as to why okay I accept you kind of liked it when you watched it but if you're saying yourself that it's not as good as the blockbuster used to be maybe it's time to start asking questions as to why that is and it might just be the case that you know people sort of subliminally understand that there's a deterioration in quality they don't mind it too much but they know it's there but they don't really understand why that difference in quality exists until they're invited to start asking the questions by comparing it to an equivalent film from 20 or 30 years ago you also have to bear in mind that a whole generation of people where this is their entertainment this is their experience and a lot of people don't go back and watch like films from the 80s the 90s or anything that's old I want to watch new stuff so this is the bar it is safe to say that there's probably kids these days who when you start up a new hope they'd be like it's old yeah like oh man well I'm pretty sure that there are people who just won't watch films in black and white and it's like man she's just missing out on like a huge portion of films just what a weird thing to get hung up on I'm assuming you guys are similar but there are some films made that era they're just like head and shoulders annihilate the films that are coming out today a lot of them anyway it's a weird thing as well like if you start watching Babylon 5 now especially the CG iron stuff it's so awful that it does make you think wow this is terrible but as you watch it it kind of blends together and you forget and so when they show that scene it only pulls you out at first and you kind of get drawn in it's a bit like VR if you use VR the graphics especially at first were awful they could be pixelated but your brain eventually just accepted it it's like oh this is my world now as long as you're enjoying it I imagine that's the phenomenon forgetting very immersed in something like animation you'll eventually just contextualize it all as alive real and you're immersed instead of being like drawings that part will just go eventually even the worst of 3D animation you'll eventually just be like well that's a ship in space but yeah but it looks really bad yeah but it's really consistent so my brain can just register it the way that it's intended at certain points and the brain is very good at doing that of just accepting what's being presented when the surrounding story is so well put together as it is in Babylon 5 as well as the actors doing such a great job and it's such an involved world it's like yeah eventually just that shitty CGI little thing over there it's like that's fine yeah and you'll find with things cause I saw a load of comments when people were like well if you went through the Lord of the Rings trilogy like this then picked it apart like this then you'd have the same problem yeah but I never felt like I needed to cause I was thinking about other things caring about other things you can find stuff to be critical of when you nitpig Lord of the Rings for sure but you simultaneously will find loads of things to be hyper praiseworthy of which you don't find in Rings of Power when you slow it down yeah and the thing with the Rings of Power is I'm so bored that I find myself thinking that's a really stupid line so I find myself focusing on everything else I'm not bored anymore I was bored after that episode I just saw it's more of a I'm wired in a bad way now it's got me there it's got me closer to that She-Hulk level where I am definitely not bored I'm just transfixed on how terrible everything is oh anyway I don't even know what we were responding to exactly there but hey I was probably like favorite Simpsons moment or something yeah it was Daredevil's cost compared to oh yeah yeah Daredevil didn't yeah that's right would you consider having Deck of Shadow on if you decide to watch through the Monsterverse Monsterverse is that it's not the same as the Kong? I mean hell if you'd like to yeah you can join us for that could you objectively confirm whether or not One Piece is real it is as far as I know yeah One Piece is a real anime I haven't seen it Cosmoronic looking a little different today Fringy I guess they're saying it's eFap I don't well haven't done episode for a while I need to get on that I've just been I'm working on this video and I don't want to stop working on it and so yeah you'll get one eventually versus matchup Ratchet and Clank versus Jack and Daxter Ratchet and Clank are winning that one I wouldn't actually know I know my Ratchet and Clank but I don't know much about Jack and Daxter is it Ratchet and Clank Ratchet and Clank have access to weapons that Jack and Daxter don't have they live in a sci-fi world kind of to be fair but like I guess one of the things is that maybe because Jack has like dark ego powers so that might sort of level it out Just to clarify for chat this is a fight to the death between those four people but two groups of two Well yeah the two of them working together I think that Ratchet has access to weaponry that Jack can't account for if we presume that they basically have free reign over a bunch of the weapons but it might be a close one because of that that might be a close one because of Jack's is more powerful innately Tough one How would you rank the episodes from worst to best How? That's tough I think they're just I think they're just looking for us to rank I'm not like asking us the metric by which we would do it necessarily I mean we could talk about that if you want to We only have to We try to go by most inconsistent for worst least inconsistent for best which puts The episode one is the best then Probably one and two are the best I have a feeling that the order is going to be from worst to best 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 It's possible It might actually be I might put 4 before 5 It's hard to tell So little Numenor stuff happens in 5 Actually funnily enough for me I think 6 is the worst It is clear but 5 was shockingly bad when we covered it I didn't realize how much it was It's so awful It might be 6, 5, 5, 2, 1 It might be that The more they do the worse it gets It does unravel more as it goes along Which does make some sense like that That's the same case for everything It gets harder to keep everything in line The longer you go on but like These in one You could maybe give a shit You either die or live long enough to create the rings of power Oh I hope we're only getting the one form of this you know There Ragu have you had a job akin to being an English teacher because I've noticed you are very thorough when it comes to word spelling and sentence structure Just the basic stuff I suppose but No, I was never an English teacher I don't have any English education apart from just what you learn and through schooling and whatnot I never took any English classes in college I've just I've read a lot And when you read a lot You just sort of absorb it It's like diffusion You just absorb all of that Information And you notice things And I suppose I really like the language And I think we should give it a lot of respect Because languages are very important things And I think that unfortunately Especially when it comes to typing things out People put Shockingly little effort into What is essentially a very Very important aspect of being a human Which is conveying your thoughts to other human beings I really I really like The language I think we should treat with More respect and more effort All right My very first super chat has to go To the long man started watching Hot D because of you guys hopefully And will be better than Game of Thrones Go team Matt Damon Targaryen Well, yeah Hope you're enjoying it hope it stays I wanted to be good overall Okay, that would be very nice I pretty much have this approach with everything in media It would be nice if it was all good But Dosh Dawn, she's gonna stay realistic Approach it one by one, see how it goes Yeah, nice we're gonna I feel like we have Ewned a new episode tonight after all the shit we've been doing This past week for She-Hulk and Rings of Power Hope it's a good one Our brains need a rest We just need to go outside in a forest Just Just rest We got this one which is a reference to What Savahide said it says Little platoon I'm coming to kiss your cheek Metaphorically, no in real life Why are they? Fine meadering first and we can talk about it Did anyone else get the impression any media made By Amazon would become corporate soulless trash I mean look at their games Their games? I'm not familiar with their games They have games? I'm just not familiar with their games I suppose they have a game