We need to think about this build series and Yeah, see we have this is the authentic behind-the-scenes for Michael's thoughts By the way, if you guys didn't know if I didn't mention it already Michael is doing a DIY series So he's gonna have a very Step-by-step thing that people can purchase that he's gonna set up at some point Then then he'll also have like kind of more basic info that he'll put on me The channel navigation nowhere Yeah Yeah, so And again if you aren't familiar he has the best bus Period on the internet until this one's done Jacks will have the best bus on the internet true true. I will reclaim that title You know is never mind in the first place But yeah, so anyways, this is day two kind of Yeah, day two here Over the badges pad We did a little bit of light removal here some other things up here Obviously you can see we had some fun. We got antsy. We just started ripping stuff out So it's over there. That was the thing that held this in they're trying to convince me though Like well come on dude. Let's like put in a house door. Let's get rid of your air door And I'm like but an air nose is so extra, you know like I could just flip a switch The thing pops out. So we might actually be raising the one of the steps up because We actually we hit a speed bump the other day because uh, we got how much clearance there is like That's a size 11 shoe like not much And that's been damaged before so I don't know. We're just out here. We're just having the time of our life You know having a good time with badge and join the Canadian hospitality The phenomenal maple syrup the great weather What are you enjoying? Yeah I'm truly enjoying Canada It's I mean, it's nice the weather is great. We get super long days to build. I can't I mean 20-hour days That's weird Yeah, but yeah, no, it's fun. Yeah, and we've got a perfectly rust-free clean bus I don't know how to explain to everyone back behind the camera that I did not strip grind or Have any trouble with a single screw on this bus so far because Jack's here got a perfectly rust free bus And it is it just makes me so happy and if anyone's built a school bus or is currently working on a school bus You I know right now are very jealous and envious Because of how little work we had to put in yeah at this thing. Yeah, it was pretty amazing Yeah, if we didn't have a lift we wouldn't have it wouldn't have had to grind anything We granted a couple bolts there which actually are still in there because it was a square going into a circle There's a saying about that somewhere. It's true. Anyways, welcome to day two All right, so if you're wondering how much work we're getting done today, it's 220 You can't see that it's 220 and We've been chatting this whole morning, but that's what happens when you do a bus. You got to figure it out first And then just kind of go, you know work as you go Ready Progress how you feel Michael Yeah Every time you pull up the camera, they don't know how much time is the last between the last camera So like that was maybe about 20 minutes. Yeah, we got the stuff like 20 minutes There's no more seats in this bad boy. Look no really so this is about I don't know say 45 minutes later No, maybe we'll just say an hour hour later. We got everything out of here It wasn't hard. There's only like seven seats so That was hard and that made up for it There us throw this out Probably breathing fiberglass Really hate fiberglass, but once we get to rip out this stuff, we'll get my face mask Yeah We're just now seeing the potential full potential of the thing I'll get it out here Yeah, that is an exciting this is an exciting moment All right, this is what we're looking like we've just been working away We pulled up some of the floor being a Pacific Northwest bus The wood is a little soggy not really anticipating a lot of rust under it Although you never know until you rip it up and the bottom is no indication of the top but I Think it's gonna be pretty clean Got the Badger for ripped off one of my favorite amenities of the bus No, don't don't mess with me don't mess with me Don't mess with me like that. Don't don't put don't pull my heart straight Yeah, I'm a big fan of the air door. It's like really high-tech compared to last mechanical thing. So anyways This is what we're what's what we got here got a ton of wires that we're gonna rip out We have wires for emergency little buzzers and LED or not LED just lights and Crap yep Anybody's watching I need those don't let all these purses these different colors are for we cut them all out So I gotta know what they're for now Yeah, look at look at that. Isn't that crazy? It's just for like a little buzzer like why do you need all those? Thanks. Yeah Well after being fed delicious Canadian burgers. Thanks for cooking them up Terrible aren't they? Yeah, they're Heather's special. Yeah, they're really good burgers. Yeah, they were good Thanks, thanks to Brad and Heather For the burgers. They were very good. We got we're also getting a little antsy over here So we're just gonna take out all the windows So if you want to know how to do that well, you know who's DIY to purchase this guy down here So anyways, I got to put the camera down before these things fall out Every time this guy pulls out the camera Oh, yeah, that's true Hey, Jack, do you ever actually do anything? Yeah, pull the camera out.  Well, they can answer the next question Yeah, you know So anyways, we got all the windows out. We just had You know pretty good success with all these the first one was man is a major pain in the butt, but Badge is a pretty organized dude when it comes to wire so he Is a kid. Remember Danny was going on about the bus? Yep. This is a gobble wire Right? Seal this wire. And this is what we're gonna end up with when we're done. Yeah Four four strands five six strands. That's it. All this is garbage That's true. So Badge is like a kid in a candy store right now because he likes to clean it up Yeah, yeah, yeah, so this is now when I tell Jax, I said oh Jax, what's this wire go to? He's gonna. Say it goes back to the back to the light True story does he'll know. Yeah, by the way, we're having a fun time over here Again, that's so here this is how I've been getting the windows out with the caulking I just kind of use my body and I just do like so See what I mean, this could be like a new Halloween costume Here's some birds in the air and I have a very important question for Badge Badge, now do you guys call those geese just geese or Yeah, you know the funny part about you hear them here and they don't bother you but down in the states They are annoying. I don't know what it is. I noticed that in Arizona. I was sitting there watching them and they're And here they you don't hardly see them. Yeah, it's kind of funny really Yeah, it's like a revenge to the americans Well, we got another window ready So, uh, I don't know what do you guys think if you if you're in Canada, would you call it canadian geese? I can't canadian geese or just a goose or a geese. You know what I mean? Like why would you call it a canadian geese right here? It's like an extra word. Yeah, like why?   You guys know that. So this is what uh after 10 o'clock looks like in uh Alberta and this is all the stuff we took out.  I know bad just going nuts about the wires It's like a wire wire fiend over here. Yeah, I'm lucky. I have two ocd guys one with the wires one with everything else Uh, so this bus is gonna be spotless. There's a nice, uh, we made a mountain of uh chairs over there We put two over by the fireplace solar panels are still just hanging out Um, but yeah, look at what we did this bus has no more windows You know just kind of uh ripped it apart today I would say successful day two high five to two amazing gentlemen. Thank you guys so much for your help. Awesome job. That's right Um, by the way goes a subscribe to a navigation know where's channel Uh vlight rv'ing just go harass him and tell him to fix all your you know, like car troubles Yeah, we're gonna put a cell phone number on there soon. That's right cell phone in the description text him 24 7 totally, okay Anytime This is the uh next day we're at the racetrack meeting interesting people I almost took a nap because I was so exhausted today, but I couldn't let my friends work on the bus and me rest so here I am So pretty much what he's saying is your turn I'm saying nothing. It sounds like he's making. I'm not saying nothing.  We're not gonna say that, right? I mean I gotta drill in my hands. Uh-huh. Your hands look dirty. I know. His hands look dirty.  They're trying to make me look bad, but we were all out together, but uh Badge, what have you done over here? Look at this. What did you do? Remember that the thing was the biggest your arm. Yep. Look at that. We're down to like five wires. Look at that. Isn't that second? I like that. That's amazing. And then down here. Yep, because he's got a marker turned on the slide We bring these two over and attach them here. That gives them light back over there again. Yep. Okay, excellent No lights. That's it. We're done. Yep. Uh, and just so everybody knows. Oh, by the way, we just uh took out the seat and we're going to make the floor nice and flush all the way up here, but this is some of the nightmare that was uh Reduced to about six wires back there. This is the front. We have to this one here is going to the front Which we have to go through right? Yeah, that's a lot. That's the neck cutter. We got rid of all these connectors too. That's another cutter Doesn't that look intimidating? Yeah, that's how intimidating it is back there. Uh-oh. We got a monkey on the roof. What do you need? I need a ratchet set. Ratchet or impact? I need that. I need the ratchet set. The whole set? Uh, well, I mean you can hand me up some options. All right. I'm pretty sure it's like a five-sixteenths or something Got an air leak Just kidding. That's because we took out the uh seat. If you take your seat out That's straight out of the week. Anyways, this is what we're doing with Uh, pretty much got all the insulation out Ripped out all of the metal except for a couple little pieces Michael's trying to figure out what to do with that door over there What are you gonna do? I'm gonna take the thing out I'm gonna re-weld this whole thing and put the windows back in. Yeah, it's uh a little tricky because it's uh Welded in and all that fun stuff. So we're just gonna have to undo somebody's work and redo it But uh, we just want to make sure we cut the right welds Correct. That would be important. Yeah, there's no reason to make more work for ourselves. Oh, no, no, no So anyways, this is what life is like right now in canada Uh being completely swarmed with mosquitoes, but the 40% deat is uh holding them off What about you? Oh, I hose you down with deat so you shouldn't do it Yeah, I was literally standing here working and he came up behind me and started spraying me with deat That's what friends are for So anyways, uh, it was just a past couple days here in beautiful canada check out this sunset We'll catch you guys in the next video


freedom to advocate for philosophy that leads us towards freedom. And if it turns out under freedom, Bitcoin is their money. Great. I mean, I've no problem in that world being wrong and being relatively poor to everybody else, because you guys invested in Bitcoin and I didn't. But I just I don't think that it is the way in which you convince people to advocate for freedom and to the extent that it diverts attention from the educational programs that need to be hedged in order to change the world. I think it could be a detriment. So my focus is on education, educating people on the value of the philosophy that is required to establish freedom and to sustain freedom long term. And, you know, again, what money is at that point, once we get there? Who cares? I hope we can get there with help of IQ and I'm glad that I've also supporters of the philosophical freedom. Stefan, we heard a lot of arguments why Bitcoin could become money or or refutations to some suspicions or doubts or other foods. But regardless, if if it's going to have a chance in battling central banking, what do you think are the main arguments of that Bitcoin could be a driver of freedom or maybe personal arguments for for person who is interested in Bitcoin and he is libertarian or an objectivist? Why he should get interested in it and why he should listen to your podcast? All right. Yeah, look, I think at the end of the day, we can, you know, we can talk until the cows come home. But there's a lot of people who fundamentally don't care because they are getting a benefit from the current system. They are either working for the state or they are working in a business that is protected by the state or only exists because of the state. And so if we want to change that, and we have to also look at how successful has libertarian political activism been, probably not very, right? Like the best you could say is maybe you slightly slowed the growth of the state, which is not really a win in my book. I think if you want to win, we need to use tools and technology that help us achieve that. And my strong preference would be for people who care about liberty to buy Bitcoin and hold some because in the years to come, it's going to keep going up, I think. And so those people can then use that wealth to actually propagate their ideas and to try to change society and push it in a direction that actually does respect people's freedom more also. So people who want to learn about Bitcoin, obviously, follow me online, Stefan Lavera on Twitter or StefanLavera.com, you can find my podcast. And I interview a lot of people in the Bitcoin world and we, you know, we talk about educational ideas around Bitcoin and economics and the technology of Bitcoin. But also just while we're here, I just wanted to say thank you to you guys for hosting me and Yaron, a clearly very intelligent guy and you've really thought through a lot of this stuff. It was great to chat with you and even though we disagree on a few things, but I think it was a good disagreement. I think at least everyone out there has a clear picture on kind of where the typical Bitcoin person is, what the typical Bitcoin person is thinking, which obviously I'm representing that sort of school of thought, if you will. And yeah, I just wanted to thank everyone for having me on the show. Yeah, and quickly, let me thank AOI, the Einwand Institute for co-hosting this, AOI Europe. You can find all the material there on Einwand.org and you can follow me on Uron Brook, just Google me, it's easy, or YouTube or anywhere else. Thank you. It was interesting. Another time I'll try to elucidate on why business requires a state, but that's a whole other discussion about why Anarchy is not workable. But Tomek, thank you. Yes, I know Sege is shocked, but I did that debate on Anarchy in Poland. You need to go find that on YouTube. So a good Polish Anarchy has debated me a while back. So Tomek, you wanted to say a few closing remarks and we'll my closing remarks are for the audience. We all know that there is not that much disagreement between these two gentlemen here. We all want to get rid of this cancer of central banking, which is destroying money, such an important technology for a civilization.  Who knows, maybe it will be Bitcoin. To all of you, I have advice to check out some Bitcoin resources, to check out Stefan Levera podcast and his website, but as well the Andron Institute website. And thank you Andron Institute for helping us organize it. Thank you, Yaron, for this. You can check Yaron at Yaronbrookshow.com and there is all the necessary links. You can support the show of his and the show of Stefan Levera podcast at StefanLevera.com. My Twitter is colotom99, so I'm on behalf of ObjectivismPL Poland, different ventures promoting Bitcoin and freedom. So all of you people, be healthy, be free. Thank you gentlemen for joining us in this conversation. I'm leaving the Zoom room open, so maybe somebody would like to stay and chat. Have a good night. Take care.


Greetings. I want to talk today about the forces of evil and the forces of good. I want to talk about the problem of self-control. And self-control is a problem of now versus later, and it's a problem that infects us deeply in modern society. So think about the following. How many of you in the last month have eaten more than you think you should? Parents, you can raise your hands too. How many of you in the last month have exercised less than you think you should? For how many of you raising your hand has been the most amount of exercise you got recently? How many of you have ever texted while driving? Come on. Okay. By the way, texting and driving is incredibly interesting because nobody ever said, you know what, I thought about it. I thought about how much I don't want to kill other people, how much I want to stay alive, how important is this text message, and I decided I should take it.   Nobody, nobody really. Wow. We can talk about honesty another time. Now, if you think about these questions in a very general way, think about the following. Imagine I gave you a choice, and I said, what would you rather have? A half a box of chocolate right now or a full box of chocolate in a week? Half now or full in a week? And I passed the chocolate around so you could see it and you could smell it. It's so close. With this question in mind, how many of you would wait another week for another half a box of chocolate? A few people are raising their hands, but I'm willing to bet that if the chocolate was actually close by, you might be less willing. Now, imagine we pushed the choices to the future, and I said, what would you rather have? A half a box of chocolate in a year or a full box of chocolate in a year and a week? Now, how many people are willing to wait? All of us, right? Because in the future, we are wonderful people. We will exercise, we will diet, we will save money, everything will be fantastic in the future. The problem, of course, is we never get to live in that future. We get to live in the moment and in the moment we're tempted time after time after time falling prey to these decisions. So not only do we have lots of self-control problems, we're getting more of those as society is moving forward. Think about it. The next version of the donut, donut 2.0, is it going to be more tempting or less tempting? Probably more tempting. Is the next version of Facebook going to be more tempting or less tempting to check it multiple times a day? Probably more tempting. Is the next version of the smartphone going to be more tempting or less tempting? And if you think about it from this perspective, it means that the future is going to be ever more tempting as it tries to, as commercial entities try to get our time, money and attention right now. Now, there was a very sad analysis that looked at the question of what is the percentage of human mortality that is either aided by or caused by bad decision making? And about a hundred years ago, it was about 10%. Think about a hundred years ago, how could a bad decision lead to mortality? Now it's slightly more than 40%. How come? As we invent new technologies, we also invent ways to kill ourselves. Think about obesity, diabetes, think about texting and driving, smoking. These are not decisions where one-time decision could kill you necessarily, but making a sequence of bad decisions can be incredibly dangerous and devastating. So given this problem, what can we do about it? And I want to propose a couple of solutions. The first one is something we call reward substitution. I want to tell you a little personal story. I was badly burned many, many years ago and I spent about three years in hospital. And one of the things I got in the burn department, I got a bad blood transfusion. And I got a blood transfusion with a liver disease. And it was bad enough to be in the burn department, it is slightly worse to have also a liver disease and nobody really knew what this liver disease was. And I kept on having inflammation and problems and rejection of transplant and so on and this disease kept on going for quite a few years. And about five years after I left hospital, I had another flare up, I checked myself into hospital and they told me I had hepatitis C and this was the disease, by that time they could recognize the virus. And the FDA was doing a test to see whether interferon, which was a medication that was approved for heresalochemia, is going to also be effective for hepatitis C. And they asked me if I want to join this trial. And I said, what happened if I don't join this trial? And they described to me what it would feel like to die from liver cirrhosis. So I didn't think for a long time, I joined the trial. And the problem was that every one of those injections I had to take was incredibly miserable. It would get me sick for about the whole night, vomiting, headache, shaking, high fever, stuff like that. Not as bad as liver cirrhosis, but for sure and now. Now imagine you got back from the university who had your injections in your refrigerator and if you inject yourself right now, three times a week for a year and a half, you might not get liver cirrhosis in 30 years. Would you do it? This is a very tough self-control problem. A year and a half later, I stopped the medication. I had a liver biopsy. They told me I beat the disease. The FDA later I proved interferon, which was also good news. And my doctor, Dr. Kellenberg, told me I was the only patient in the protocol who took their medication on time. And the question is, how come? Do I like my liver more than other people? Do I care more about the future? The answer is no. The answer was that I re-engineered my environment to facilitate better decision-making. I love movies. If I had time, I would watch lots and lots of movies. I don't have that much time, so I don't watch that many. But on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, which were injection days, I had to deal with myself. Every morning, I would go first thing to a video store. I would rent two or three videos I really wanted to watch. I would carry them in my backpack the whole day, looking forward to watching them. I would get home, put the video in, inject myself, and press play. I did not wait for the side effects to start. I connected something I wanted, the movies with something I did not want, which the injection. We call this idea reward substitution. And the notion is that there are some things in life that we are just not designed to care about. And we can think about maybe we could just tell people about it, or maybe we could just communicate. That might not work out. Something that will happen 30 years from now is unlikely to drive lots of motivational force on human behavior. But instead, maybe we can use reward substitution. Maybe we could find something else, like movie, that people would work toward, and by doing that would behave as if they care about the long term, as if they care about their livers. So I want us to think about this idea in a couple of domains. First of all, let's think for a second about global warming. Imagine you wanted to figure out how to get people to care about global warming. You could say, let's just teach people about global warming. And by knowing about global warming, people would start caring. Really tough to imagine. In fact, if you went about it the other way around, and you say, let's search the world over for the one problem that would maximize human apathy, you would come up with global warming. Why? Think about it. Long in the future would happen to other people first. We don't see it progressing. We don't see anybody suffering. And anything we would do as individuals is a drop in the bucket. Can people under those conditions care? Most likely not. Can we get people to wake up in the morning and feel that today they want to do something good for the environment? Hard to imagine. But can we use reward substitution? Can we get people to care about something else and through that behave as if they care about global warming?  Give me some suggestions. What kind of things would you create that would get people to behave as if they care about global warming? Just raise your hand and shout. Pay them. Give people money. They don't do it for the right reason. Give them money. Very good. What else? Give them cake. Cake is good for lots of things. Very good. Some other motivations. Tax them if they want. So somebody wants to pay. Somebody wants to charge people. And then the annoyance of having to pay might be higher. Very good. What else? What was this? Okay. Other things? Make fuel-fusion car less expensive. You could say it's again economic incentive. Make them attractive, maybe sexy or prestigious. What else? Give them compliments. Yeah, very good. Compliments. It turns out there's lots of research in psychology. People love compliments even if they know the compliments are not sincere. What else? Yeah. Okay. Make environmentally friendly product that are also appealing for other reasons. Lots of things. Okay. Let's talk about one other problem. There's a medication called cumidin. And cumidin is a medication against strokes. When people have a stroke, they put them on cumidin often. And cumidin reduces the chances of a second stroke from about 24% to about 4%. And under those conditions, you would think that people would take cumidin on time. People don't. Compliance rate is very low. So let's think about reward substitution. For reward substitution, you need two things. You need to measure what people are doing, and then you need to either reward them or punish them. So imagine that we have this new technology called Internet-enabled pillboxes. These are pillboxes that every time people take their medication, we know about it. It registers online. So you can start rewarding people if they take their medication on time or punish them if they don't. So again, give me some suggestions. What would you do to get people to take their medication on time? Sorry? Pay them? Pay them. Very good. So we can pay people. By the way, we tried that. We paid people $3 a day to take their medication on time. What do you think happened? Absolutely nothing. What do you think would happen if we paid people $1,000 a day? Probably would work, but we don't have the money for that. What else? Yeah. You have to take it before you eat. Oh, so you don't allow people to eat until they take it. Very, very clever. Very clever. You might say, let's block the refrigerator until you take your medication. I like this. Yeah. Okay, charge them. Yeah, so I told you that we tried to pay people $3 a day to take the medication on time. That doesn't work. The next thing we did was we used a principle called loss aversion. Loss aversion is the idea that people hate losing much more than they enjoy gaining. So we said, what if we took away money from people? Every time they don't take the medication, that works much, much nicer. There's other things you can think about. You could say, what if we posted it on people's Facebook page? What if we tried to use regret, public humiliation, social pressure? There's lots of things that you can imagine doing, but the two nicest things were a combination of lotteries and regret. So first of all, let's think about lotteries. If we gave people $3 a day, that doesn't work. What do you think would happen if we gave people 10% chance of making $30? That's much, much better. People love lotteries. Economists call lotteries taxation on stupidity, but people love lotteries. But the nicest experiment combined lotteries and regret. So what is regret? Regret is the notion that our happiness is not determined by where we are. It's determined by a comparison between where we are and where we think we could have been. And if we think we could have been somewhere nicer, we are miserable. And if we think we could have been somewhere worse, we are happy. So for example, when do you think you'll be more miserable? If you missed a flight by two minutes or by two hours? By two minutes, why? You're stuck in the same bad airport with the same bad food. Why is the two minutes more annoying? Because you can imagine the alternative reality. You say, if the light just changed a little faster, I would have made it. If the person in line in front of me understood what taking your shoes off meant. If the TSA agent had one more IQ point. And because of that, this other reality is incredibly salient.  If the other reality is two hours, hard to compare. Similarly, a couple of Olympics ago, they took pictures of people who won medals. And they looked at how big was their smile. And what would you expect? Gold, silver, bronze. What do they find? Gold, bronze, silver. Why? Because imagine you practiced for the last four years, for this one race. And a minute and a half ago, you got the silver medal. What are you thinking? This close, this close. And if you got the bronze, what are you thinking? At least I'm here. Look at everybody else. And actually, if you think about your own life, you can probably think about many cases in which your happiness is not driven by where you are, but what you're comparing yourself to. So how do we bring regret into the experiment?  The people on my right are taking the medication. The people on my left are not. If we just give lottery to the people on my right, I sample 10% of you and give you the lottery ticket. If we try to use regret, we give the lottery ticket to everybody, whether you took the medication or not.  The stars are smiling on you. It's your lucky day. Sadly, I see you did not take your pill today, so you're not getting the money. This is the essence of regret. This is the essence of the idea that you could have done one small thing earlier in the day that would have put you on the other side of these fence. And when you add lotteries and you add regret, now compliance rate becomes almost perfect. So the sad news is that we have lots of problems with self-control. The good news is we can create some solutions. I want to talk to you about one more solution. This is called Ulysses contracts. If you remember the story from the Greek mythology, Ulysses knew that if the sirens will come, he will be tempted to follow them. So he asked the sellers to tie him to the mast so he could hear the call of the sirens but he could not follow them. And he asked the sellers to put wax in their ears so they were not even able to listen and hear the temptation of the sirens. And if you think about that, this is a very different solution for self-control. This is saying, I know that in the future I will be tempted and therefore I want to eliminate my ability to act on my temptation. Now, I'm sure you've tried all kinds of things like that in your life. How many of you, for example, in the last week of exam, gave your Facebook account to one of your friends, asked them to change the password so that you could not check Facebook too often? A few? Very good. You had the speech to write. A lot of my undergrads do that. For the adults, we tried once a study, again in medical adherence. It turns out in the history of the world, nobody has ever woken up and said, today I feel like colonoscopy. So when we schedule for people colonoscopy, we said, would you like to give us a check for $500? And if you show up on time, you'll get your money, but if you are late or you don't show up, you'll give up your money. Now, it's a strange suggestion because you can either stay the same or use money, you can't make anything, aside from gaining self-control. And more than 50% of the people wanted this deal. Why? Because they knew that their future self would not want to wake up and go for colonoscopy, but they also knew that their future self would be too stingy to give up $500. One of our students designed a clock called clocky. And clocky is an alarm clock with two big wheels that run in slightly different speeds.  But then six o'clock in the morning comes around and you are no longer that person. You're a slightly different person, you're a person who tries to hit the snooze button, but if you have clocky, you can't because clocky is now running around the room in a slightly unpredictable way and you have to get up and chase it and dive under furniture and hunt for it.  The major design flaw of clocky, by the way, is that by the time you find it, you're also pissed off. So there's lots of images of clocky with the wheels turned off and now there's a new version that looks like an egg that runs around and no parts that you can break off. The next version I think will have clocky fight back. There's one more clock idea that came out that I really like. It's a clock called snooze and lose. And it's an alarm clock that is connected to your checking account and to a charity you hate. Now think about snoozing when every second money goes to somebody you really, really hate. So if you think about it, there's lots of self-control problems and there's a chance there'll be more of them. But the bright side is that we are the people who are designing the environment. In fact, I look at you and I think that you are the people who are going to design our next environment. There's a question of what are we going to do in terms of food and how are we going to design supermarket and how are we going to design kitchens and refrigerators? What kind of policies are we going to design? What kind of smartphones are we going to decide? What's going to be the future of our computer interfaces? And if I look at you and I think that all of you are the people who are going to design this world, I ask myself what kind of world are you going to design? Are you going to design a world that makes it harder for us to live with our problems with self-control or are you going to create a world that would make it better for us and will allow us to overcome some of our temptation? And I'm certain you'll make the right choices and I'm certain that you'll build a world that is better for us to deal with, that is more compatible with the limited human ability we have and that will only give us better choices. And I want to thank you in advance and may the force be with you.


Mrs. Malabour, thank you so much for joining us again in the ISD education conference. We're very happy to see you again in Qatar. And first, we'd like to know, you discussed last year about the fearful message that children and teachers and parents are exposed to when we speak about cyber safety. So from your experience, how do you see the reactions of parents and teachers when they are exposed to such a message? There is a research study recently that came out in the United States that actually showed that after teachers have been exposed to one of these scary messages in a program at school, they actually decreased the use of the internet in the classrooms. And there's been many stories circulating in the United States now from kids themselves saying that, gee, after we see one of these messages, my parents really don't want me to go online. So it's actually been a very, since last year, a watershed moment in the United States because there's been so much research now that's very clearly pointing to the inefficacy, the fact that these kind of scary messages don't in fact change behavior. There's been increasing reports about predator safety, in fact that these messages are ill-targeted, targeted to the young and appropriate aged children that in fact we're not even getting out the correct safety message to children. So what's happening in the United States now is that two things. One is we're going to be needing to realize that if we're going to talk safety we need to be getting out the correct message to the correct age. And secondly, that by scaring everyone, all that we've been successful in is scaring teachers to go online. And a very high-level official in the United States last week, in fact, spoke at a conference, a very public conference, and said, it is critical that we get our children online. It's critical to their success in the 21st century. And in essence saying that we need to get through this fear. This is not helping us. We've done a very poor job of delivering an important message inappropriately. And so there's been a very, very big transition in the United States, a groundswell movement saying we're not going to deliver that kind of fear message anymore. We're going to start delivering a much more appropriate safety message. But more importantly, we realize how critical it is to get kids online. And that's where we're going to focus our efforts. So you said that when teachers dealt with cyber safety, they were a bit uncomfortable with the topic itself. So why was that? Well, over the past 10 years, where have the teachers gotten their information from? They've gotten it from law enforcement. And the law enforcement message has been one of fear and scare tactics. And the media message has been one of fear and scare tactics. So this is where they've been getting their information. There's been some misinformation given out in the public about studies that were indeed very carefully researched. And then misunderstood or the results misinformed. So it's much like 10 years ago, the United States had a program on what we called a stranger danger message, which kind of said to kids, be careful of strangers. And in fact, the statistics show that it wasn't strangers. They should have been careful of it. It was inappropriate touching by people they knew. So the message was really off target. And then much the same thing is happening in the United States with this safety message. But there's also been some new research talking about, or I should say not so new research. Research has more recently been publicized in the area of social norms. What should we be doing? What kind of messages should are effective in changing behavior? What kind of messages should we be giving to children? And in the arena in research of social norms, it's saying that what we should be doing is having kids within a group discuss what's okay and what's not okay. And so that kind of group conversation has been very successful, for example, in dealing with the use of seat belts and in anti-smoking campaigns in the U.S. So when the kids as a group decided as a norm that smoking isn't cool or that you have to wear seat belts, that kind of peer pressure can work in a positive way. And the research is beginning to say, let's begin to, in this arena of safety, use the same kind of method. Why are we using these ineffectual scare tactics that haven't worked before, that have never worked? So cyberbullying is one of the areas that many parents and teachers and even children are concerned about. So what do you think, basically from the studies you've came across, what are the latest findings about cyberbullying? Some of the most recent findings and the most important findings are that the message, we should be talking more to the bystanders, the people that are observing the cyberbullying rather than speaking directly to the cyberbullying, that a much more effective manner is talking to the group and observing this behavior and saying you need to speak up and step in and say that this isn't okay. The findings have also said that children are very unlikely to tell adults what's going on. And so that a mechanism the school might set up is a way for a child to let someone know anonymously or quietly some mechanism that they can tell someone. Most often that's a peer. So then if you've effectively set up some information in the school the peer knows that they need to speak up because it's very, very unlikely that the child being targeted will speak up. I think those are the two most important findings. And I think it goes back to getting a communication out within the school community that this is not acceptable behavior. And that's informing parents, informing and letting them know what's going on. Digital citizenship was one of the topics we discussed in the morning. So who is a digital citizen and is it applicable to children only or to parents and teachers and what is your definition of a digital citizen? I think the concept of digital citizenship is applying to any of us that means all of us today that go online. And I think it's simply using the concept of citizenship pulling it into cyberspace saying as a citizen of any country you have responsibilities and you have privileges. And now as a citizen of cyberspace you have responsibilities and you again have privileges. But I think it comes as a bit more when people talk about cyber citizenship they're talking about understanding some safety mechanisms, understanding manners, politeness, etiquette. But they also typically broaden the definition to include digital literacy meaning that one might say well as a citizen in our face to face world a citizen is typically educated so that you can participate in your democratic processes and participate in daily discourse was a digital citizenship. You also need to be literate, you need to be educated. What does that mean? And in cyberspace digital literacy means being able to effectively retrieve information to evaluate it to discern if it's timely who the author is to understand if they're being sold something to critically think through the resources. So that becomes a very critical part of digital citizenship. What I think it's really the terminology's really been using to expand the conversation beyond the safety scare tactics we were talking about earlier. It's being used to say what we really are talking about is being a citizen in cyberspace with recognizing responsibilities, recognizing the skills that we need to have to effectively participate in the 21st century and the 21st century happens to be a large part online. I'm sure most of our viewers want to know what Cybersmart does when it tries to approach teachers and talk to them about cyber safety. So please tell us in detail the efforts you've done and the approach you've taken. Cybersmart was the first organization ten years ago to provide teachers with a standards-based curriculum in not just safety but manners, research skills and all of the skills that we're now terming digital citizenship. So for ten years our message to teachers has been that this is a part of skills that you need to provide your students with. I think what's changed over that ten years is an increasing recognition of the importance of those skills. And why is that in the United States at least increasing recognition that yes it's important for the success of the 21st century achievement and success in life but on a more immediate level we're seeing more and more students become disengaged in school. So they have a life where they're on the iPod, they're texting their friends, they're retrieving information, they want to go to a movie, they go online and they go into school and the world goes back. It's like a time warp. They go into school and the teacher is saying it's page 38 and we're looking at chapter six today. So our message to teachers is consistently but increasingly so it's been get the kids online, use the timely information. Why are you looking at a textbook when you could be looking at resources that were printed much more timely or in real time or allow a child to collaborate with the information with a classroom across the world. Why are you teaching in black and white when the world's color so to speak and so that's increasingly been our message working with teachers. What was the reaction of teachers? How did they respond? I think initially many teachers are extremely reluctant but understandably so. I think that their teachers in the United States are very pressured with meeting content and test standards and so their first reaction is my kids have to pass this test and so the first thing we need to do what we typically is make them begin to realize that to engage the students in learning they're going to have to move in this direction and interestingly it's the schools that are have the most disengaged students if you will that feel the most urgency. Unfortunately those are oftentimes the schools that have the least amount of funds but I think that it's very easy for a teacher to say well gee I'm going to keep doing that what I'm doing I think that that's going to be less of an excuse if you will because as the teachers begin to see the kids get more and more disengaged but in fairness some of our standardized testing is kind of out of sync with the kind of learning that should be going on. There's a very strong movement in the United States to begin recognizing what we call in a 21st century learning. Unfortunately a lot of that has been pegged to using Microsoft Word and using a Wiki and all these little gizmos and gadgets throwing out when really we should be talking to the teachers about what are your learning objectives what are the content objectives and how can you most effectively and most engagingly teach those objectives because then the multiple choice standardized testing that the kids are doing kind of just comes. And interestingly just a side comment the research is coming out about how we learn cognitively from the cognitive sciences of course we didn't even know 20 years ago but when you look at how you learn we learn through by making connections so this discreet kind of pushing information down in discreet units really doesn't work in terms of learning theory so if you can begin to look at cognitive learning theory how do kids learn best combine that with the notion of engaging the kids you have a very very powerful reason to begin to re-look at how we're teaching the kids so what would you say to a teacher who's really stressed about meeting the deadlines and just giving the curriculum and who doesn't really have time to maybe know more and he's just really stressed about the legislation the school and stuff so what would you say to that teacher? First I would say I understand I totally sympathize I would probably having said that I would probably go to the administrator because I think in large part this is a message that needs to come from the administration the administration of schools need to understand that first they need to set out that vision here's where we're going and then they need to do everything to allow the teacher's opportunity to buy into that we feel that comes from professional development that's why we say that when you provide professional development you allow the teachers an opportunity to make mistakes to have questions you're asking them to make a huge transition learning theory shows that typically you teach the way you learn the way you did learn well none of these teachers even the young ones even the 22 year olds did not learn in the environment we're asking them to teach in now so I really think that the administration needs to say it's okay we're going to give you this professional development experiences on a sustained basis not going to throw you in this is not a one day workshop we're going to expose you to things we're going to let you make mistakes we're going to give you the opportunity with cyber smart we typically talk to school and say let's take you through four weeks of just getting them engaged in what the vision is but we're going to do this online we have schools that say to us well come talk to us say we're not going to talk to you because we want the teachers to begin learning online because that's the way you know the way we're asking them to the direction we're asking them to move in and that goes for the younger teachers too by the way who are extremely savvy but online feel very comfortable but don't have a context of how do you pull that into a classroom and so it's really saying to giving the teachers an experience to say we're not asking you to throw out what you learned in school we're still talking about setting very clear learning objectives we're still talking about some basic strategies of classroom management and the content areas you know but we're asking you to rethink your whole pedagogy and put it in the context of the kind of world we live in today and that's a huge, huge leap for teachers to make and it's a huge leap to make in front of a classroom of 30 kids who are very critical of you so I'm very sympathetic to teachers and I think that the opportunities for professional development have been very few and far behind and it's wonderful to bring in I know near where I live the state of New Jersey has very clearly identified 21st century learning and what they did is they hired some very well known speakers and terrific people but to me sitting and listening to an inspirational person talk about the vision is nothing compared to getting them online and having them experience some of that learning themselves and maybe make mistakes in front of their, you know, with their colleagues so they feel comfortable to go those next steps So my final question, tell us about the PBS episode The Digital Nation, what was it about? Yeah, that's not a good question for it, it's not applicable to it It was, the PBS Digital Nation episode was really just looking at how we're living our lives online that was the general gist of it it was really in terms of education in terms of career opportunities in terms of just life online today if anything, it would get a very broad overview one might look at it and say I realize how much of life online is today what it reminded me of when I saw it without my background was that for us to use terms like oh this is your real life, this is your on life is completely false what we talk about is this is our face-to-face life and this is our online life but they are both very real and I think that terminology that we used to say about real life is very false now it's no distinction we are living online and we are living face-to-face and that kind of circles back to some discussions with safety with the kids about saying or with adults for that matter with teachers for that matter thinking about managing your image online for example, that's been an issue in the United States where a teacher goes and has a Facebook page and doesn't think because that's their personal life the trouble is, I'm the principal and I can see their personal life and maybe you don't want me to see that so it does all come together and there's not the clear distinction so we used to have and I think this is important conversations and very much important conversations that the administration of the school sets forth and by the way, I think the problem with the safety of the conversation is that teachers, it was like another and added extra, like why in the world and I have enough on my plate now you're asking me to do safety doesn't that belong to the computer guy in the computer lab and you really want to say first there shouldn't be a computer lab anymore it should be all integrated in every single course and it probably shouldn't be a safety lesson there probably should be an ongoing just like security experts talk about an ongoing series of messages and a general climate and teachers that feel comfortable enough in the midst of giving out an assignment to go online, take a moment a teachable moment to say let's talk about safety, I'd like to talk today about for a moment about cyberbullying in the context of we're going to have an online assignment and it really isn't appropriate to say, you know, gee your comment was stupid it might be a funny thing face to face because you can see my expression, I'm smiling and we're, you know, but it doesn't play out in online and so the conversations become more integrated I think that's the point we're hoping to go to and that's what we try to do with a rational development Thank you so much for this lovely interview


Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm Money Mosa, by the way, and we create content every damn day. Ay man, so you know man, we got my guy here today man, check it man, Mr. Luchia man, what's going on man? What up playboy? Ay man, I definitely want to get in this new music man.  Read. Did you read? Did you write? Yeah, I wrote. Is any of the music that you're putting out, you changed your own concept? Nah, I was writing on books and shit, and then I also, what's the name? I wrote music off in there, but nah, man the music, it ain't far out here. That's in there. I might spring some out, you know what I'm saying? Was that practicing or what? I didn't say practicing, but. It's my diary.  So, you think that, how much did music change from the time you left to the time you came on? Shoot. Because I remember when I first, it was a big, what do you call it, cash money was bumping. I'll never forget that. I'm like, they talk about cars and everything. And when I left, you know, it was something different. So. Yeah. Nah, it was, I mean really it didn't change me because I listened to the same music that I listened to before I left. Okay. That's it. It's more, it's more. Tempo changed? Yeah. Tempo and a lot more out of tune. A lot more out of tune. Yeah, a lot more out of tune. It came back. I really can't think trying to name a rapper, Mazzy. I love J.M. Mazzy like a mug. So I'm just trying to name a couple rappers that I can name who don't got out of tune on their voice. So you don't like that out or tune? I just, I just say that. You can't rock with it? I didn't say that. I just said, I ain't doing out of tune. And I say that you asked me what I see the difference. Yeah. More out of tune. More out of tune. Yeah. Cause one thing I can say, I can say you got a distinct voice, man. Yeah. Everybody. And for me, it was always about the voices to me, you know, like certain artists, the voice, the way they cadence his ears, that stands out. And it would be the same for you too.  I am not a rapper. That nigga was up there. I had a beat. What did he go by? Nothing. That nigga had a beat. He had a song called something by Trump. What was the song? Balling with Trump. Balling with Trump. Trump started sending that money. That nigga started rapping. You know what I'm talking about? Okay. It wasn't even that. I just made the song because I was, I like, I like writing songs. So I heard that song. I mean, I heard that beat. I'm like, damn, Trump just started sending money out. And my little brother called me and was like, Hey, I just got my $1,200. You got your money. I said, no, I ain't got it. Cause I ain't getting 12. I knew I wasn't getting 12. Yeah. So when you heard it, I was like, damn, everybody I saw a collar. I'm a baller with Trump. Some of us didn't say I'm a baller with Trump. I saw him make a song called Balling with Trump. Yeah. And it's really, it's really not balling with Trump and not balling with Trump. I mean, it's not balling for Trump. It's balling with him. Yeah. He all give him the money. So we all getting money. So he's balling. Yeah. So, yeah.  It was like you never left when you went and did. Nah. Yeah. I keep my, I'm, I'm, I'm, when I got in there, I'm doing shows. I'm performing and I'm doing that in jail. Really? Perform with a live band and all that type of stuff. Yeah. That's hot. So I'm writing music for the, these years, you got better performing all the way through. Wow. So you don't write it where cutting pace. So when I got off in there, I'm writing, I'm, I'm, I'm rapping. Cause that's what I did when I first came home. I, I wrapped some of the stuff that I had just to get used to the booth. And it was hard because rapping the verse and then coming back doing the chorus on another track. It was like, man, it was, it just, it was just, it was just, I had to get back used to it. Yeah. I had to get back used to it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So the first, so even when I did that certified, when I came out. I remember that was a year. That was almost nine, 10 months ago. And I was like, why did he do that certified? And then that's the name of the album too, right? Nah. What's the name of the album? Diamond in the Ruff. Diamond in the Ruff. So the first I was like, did he do certified? And then he gon' name his whole project that? Cause I was looking back. That's why I called you. I was like, send me a couple of songs and something I could see what's going on. Nah, nah, nah. I just did certified. That was hot though. I like certified, bro. But if you listen to it, it was the same way I wrapped it. I, I, it's just one take. Okay. Out of the way through. Yeah. So it's no pause. One take out of the way through. So, but now I'm, I'm, I'm in my bag right now. Yeah. So you, you got it now. Yeah. I'm having fun. I had it. It was just like riding a bike. He just had to get back used to it. So had your son been in the studio? While I was gone. Yeah. Nah, he hadn't been in the studio. Okay. Okay.  Cause my brother went out, like right when I went to jail, my brother had moved to Florida. Oh, it worked. Yeah. In the Florida. So, and he didn't come. He's still in Florida right now. He just came home this week. Okay. Man. But listening party. I've seen that. When nobody there. You guys had that listening party. It looked crunk too. And mama was there too. It was lying. Yeah. My baby show. Yeah. Man. I say, oh, yo, yo baby was out there. That's my guy right there. I had got him on the show yet, but I'm working on it. I'll be tracking him down. I'm going to get him. I ain't tripping. Yeah. Yeah. The thing I say is man, um, is when y'all was out there, it seemed like the crowd and the energy was right. Yeah. It really threw me for a loop because, you know, when you first let people hear music for the first time, I ain't never heard it before. I was shocked at some of the reactions that I was getting. So I'm like, yeah, that's a good one. I like, I listened. I was trying to catch it. I was like, I got to call him. I got to give me some. I got to text him. Give me some so I can bang out so I can get it. You know, and I love it. Man. Like I said, the, the one song, uh, I want to listen to a little bit of it. I think it was Oh, Nobody. That's the one right there. Cause I can relate to it. Yeah. Man. Hopefully it's a whole lot of stuff. I can relate to it. Trust me. Yeah. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Dang they don't want to face it. Yeah, that's it.  Everybody that I heard They left me alone. I've been there. So it changes things. Oh, yeah, I don't hate nobody. No, no, no, it just wake you up You know, I never forget it I Put trust no one but God on my back. Yeah, cuz it make you feel that way.  So, you know That song is that's a song. So who produced that Bruce Banner Bruce Banner, okay? Okay, did he do any more tracks on the album? No, he just did that one. Okay. Okay. That's what's up Had you linked with him before? Yeah, I knew him before with the jail Okay, I want I'm gonna go back before jail just one little bit because I thought about that movie triple D Was it true thing? Yeah, it was a triple D and and you was in that before you left. Uh-huh. And that's what they picked me up at Really, I didn't know that the movie premiere. Yeah, that's what that's what if it's me up They stay watch the movie everything.  Wait if meaningful go outside and they grab me Wow nobody else around. Yep. Wow, that's crazy But I mean man life just happens, bro And and and you could you couldn't eat it you need to write a book You as it out is it published or self-published or you had published? Okay, I'm gonna start dog I want to get this music popping first. Yeah, I have a bigger platform When you bring that book back man, we got to do it again right here. Yeah, I don't have a about 34 books by four books to come through ready. I love to do that, too I ain't gonna do an autobiography yet though. Okay. No, cuz it's That's deep don't too many chapters to yeah, but it's deep bro. It's gonna be right when it's done Yeah, yeah, that's ain't the end though. This ain't there to answer and another thing I'm gonna drop back to because I forgot while ago was I you know when I was selling them out jeers Crooked for life TV. Yeah, would you get any of that money or what did they didn't take care of you? That's my guy. Yeah. No, it wasn't I don't Just for quick that was a brief second. I'm just asking you a question now Everything was cool Dan my partner on the Azure shop. He the one that brought Dan down here on Walnut. Yeah, you know, I know exactly what you told He you know, so that's I was took care of yeah I saw a lot of those shirts man a lot of them over the years. You got to realize I've been setting clothes a long time So I thought about y'all when I was just my boy's right there Yeah, I had to grab me some of them Dan get me some of them I gotta have them cuz I'm in Dallas man You know I'm saying Texas we love them boys man Yeah, and that's how they went. It was a red one and a blue one.  Oh, yeah good times man So when I was moved back forward I had to drop back Thinking about a couple of things man. So what you got for me? You all can go to man No, I can't say cuz the vibes be different inside of it That's why I asked a question. Yeah, I can't say cuz you know right now If the right beat come on at the right time, it's gonna be my favorite studio for right now Yeah, so I just go with what what a music at because I Do like intimate small studios cuz we recorded all our stuff in the closet the Diabolo can the rebel or we did that in the one bedroom apartment in the closet So yeah, I'm used to that so when you go into the when I do go in the big studio It was like I did a jam with a live band on this album. Yeah, I go here You know I'm saying car wings I brought a live band in so when we did that song It's in a big studio. You know, it's fun and feel good.  I don't care who it is I zone out. Yeah, I zone out. You know, I zone out. I just turn the beat on now What I don't want in the studio is hey, man, uh, can I get a picture? Hey, man, uh, uh Trying to talk to me about something And see people I gotta keep in mind people don't be on the stance. I don't write on paper I go in the corner. I walk like right now. I could be right.  I'll be writing so people would think I'm just chilling So they want to come talk to me, but I ain't chilling. I'm writing and you're throwing me off on me. Just Don't let me get a rhythm.  No, that's exactly this morning That's crazy.  So he all the way in there And this is a rapper and a writer and it's two different things gonna. I'm a writer. I don't write. I'm I don't rap Retired I don't like all that retirement. I don't why I never did it From a little kid trying to play football and he didn't like it. So he stopped Let me ask you this man top three artists of all times man. Everybody. We asked the same question top three All time all time dead or alive any genre I do it every time and everybody said man Top three I'ma give Number one you gotta give parking there man. He's dropping. So he number one You know It's good You just said top three you didn't have to say no no no just top three top three in there. Okay.  Okay, and then there is all we need So we got we got park. We got DMX. We got scoffing which is nice. I love it. You know what I mean? Yeah You know and thinking of cuz I every time I say ask somebody top three and I look at you.  That's it. They're baby lose Anna and Speaking of mode three you and him had a relationship. Yeah, that's my rest Rest in peace mode three. Um, so were you out with when that happened you was home? Yeah, I was home man And and you were you out when they first started wearing the mask or you was just no, that's when I got out of jail I got out on mart night city locked down on the 18th. Whoa, so and then it stayed like that y'all already know until So I'm fresh out the half of house and now I got to stay here. So that's crazy. I'm still locked up. That's crazy You know, I mean that's crazy, but it happens. Yeah, it happens. It's cool But but let's get in the mode three a little bit more because it that hold your tongue when he redone that yeah Did he come to you get your blessings on it or how did that hold because you was in the video one? Yeah, I was gonna tell you I fought with three. Okay, but three used to mess with my little nephew big done done, okay? I've been hearing about him, but I didn't I ain't got to link up with him yet Okay, and then I end up being in the studio with my partner split Wayne split was like bro here listen to this he produced because he produced the beat So I listen that I'm like, oh that boy. Oh, you know, so I come back to the north.  You know I'm saying yeah, so show them. They've been linked ever since Wow Yeah, yeah, I think she was in the video as well No, he ain't he ain't show up. Well, he wasn't in the video fam. He was in the dude took They took some vision edit footage from something else and put okay. Okay, but now cuz it did look kind of different Yeah, it's your idea, but you was in it actually. Yeah, I don't know payment. Okay.  Oh, do you know what I mean? Yeah, so that yeah That's that's special Yeah We was from we was from the door right now I've opened my phone text messages last it text messages send me your email.  Everything was straight when you come back. It's all it's all crazy jacked up so when it first came home, I wouldn't talk to both of them and Basically told them what I felt, you know, I'm a whole mode mode was like get out man try to squash it. Yeah Yeah, of course, of course, of course, but then I get out and I find out It's a lot more than what I think and and both of them, you know, I Talked to both of them. We had personal conversations and I did express myself at the end of the day Once they told me what it was and I realized I say, okay, that's what's up fam But you know, I gotta tell you know, I got love for both of y'all man You know I'm saying I just hate the situation fam. I love that So you're real stumped down dude to do that and I remember I stood right in here and when I went viral almost hundreds some thousand views talking about when Yo Gotti and and Dolph was doing that and I was like what old G's had why nobody stepping up and then there was a lot of Niggas got in the comments.  Yeah, but see that's what that's what it is We got to say something man say something, but we can't stop something. We can't stop something But we can at least say something you got to do your part Yeah, and that's the part I'm commending. Yeah, I had to say something.  Yeah, yeah, the situation Yeah, I haven't lost love for neither one of I've listened to both of them Like I say, I love I like yellow that was my thing yellow was my guy and it's kind of funny Mode three was his guy So we kind of that's something we talk about a lot and then you know Cause of the way the music not nothing to do with the beef But I just like the I just felt like he was like you you more marketable to me than a lot of people You gotta have a look, you know what I mean? And you had a look to me. Yeah, it'd be the same way I picked people over business. I'm a business dude. You know what I mean? I understand so that's that's where I come from my he Man the lyrics deep and so we both looking at from do two different ways But we both got our rights and I can't say I grew to like mode three as his music It got better for me. He got better and better and better and and and and and he The beef thing just kept worrying me though cuz from the early on part of he having issues with other people I was fighting on Facebook one time I remember and then it was another thing where I think he had a run in what he wanted to do to do the Mix tapes or whatever, but I was like looking at those things too, but I'm looking at dollars I'm like, okay. Yeah, but did but yeah, he looked like he's staying over here So it's it's a money thing, you know, I mean for a business dude when he looked at it Versus a guy who like that nigga really that nigga hard, you know, yeah, yeah, that's the way it be But you really quiet today. I'm liking that you didn't say nothing back or nothing and I appreciate you cuz I don't want to go Now where it shouldn't go, okay?  Yeah, talent wise. I mean, I'm a more three Lyrical More three might be the best to do it like say lyrical you got Well, he won a he won a man for to say that Mr. Luches sitting in here Doing singing singing they Wrapping and they they tell the I'll tell them through it at one time. Why are you doing? I mean, no But that's that's your preference remember that's your opinion though Okay, no, I mean, I might have wanted here some lyrics and here's some cadence is just dropping a certain way on a certain beat And I feel like a none touch that that's my preference Yeah, so it's all about your ear right cuz I'm I'm I get it cuz I'm a PMC fan Yeah, so you know what I mean? I the way he done because he produced beats I could say that and not only produce beat He did those hooks and song and then he also pretty much had a hell of a rhyme scheme, right? So you can't so that's a whole nother level, too Y'all grew up on him so I can't say that what you can go back and you can always go back and check That's why I say boosting web because I grew up on them They had all types of song you can listen to every day one of them see it one for me I said if I ain't here one for me, I get it. I get it. So let me let's get back to you the music straight truth I want to listen at that. Let me vibe out to it for a second.  They take it from me homie That's the straight truth.   Put the put this in the deck You killed that bro, that's wrong man you killed that bro like I said I love what you're doing with and it comes out on the 21st. Yeah, April 21st next Wednesday, man This is my 20th anniversary when I drop diabolical. That's why I'm dropping it on these days So wow so 20 years ago. I drop diabolical now for the drop diamond in the rough What's the name of the one with your son on them? I'm gonna go. It's called out you Yeah, yeah, I'm a jam now No, no, no, no, I just want to hear y'all man I'm a jammer mile you got you right about that, but I just want I know you're working with him man And it's a beautiful thing man. It's your son, bro It's just something that because a lot of people they do it. I mean I will and Jaden did it Yeah, who else who else son and father My little boy, that's really what he want.    So what would what would Mr? What would Lou Diamond say to Mr. Lucia at 18 when he signed that contract or when he dealt with that that new new deal or whatnot What would you say to what would you say Lou Diamond would say to mr. Lucia? Oh, you feel me. I hope you ready for it. Oh, that would just say to help you ready for what you just did Wow Cuz while I'm sitting here talking to y'all thinking like, you know, like I was saying I was wrong I messed up in this. Yeah, man If I wouldn't have did it, I wouldn't be where I'm sitting today. Amen. So all that was meant. Yeah, you know, it's written Emotionally, yeah, I feel wrong, but God's way it went the way it was supposed to go You don't make mistakes. That's real. I don't like that, too. I'm calling a brother every time it happened Oh, yeah, man. This happened for a reason. I call it one day and I said something happened I hear like what you mean? I said, I don't know but something just happened to me and something happened And I call him back like I'll let it say this happened because that happened. Wow Yeah, it'd be like that. So, you know, it's it's like a Counterfeit, you know and and and you write a lot of people ask you like If you had to do all over again, would you do it the same way? Sure? We'll see and that and then you end up doing the time and everything. Yeah, I got to see what I mean Cuz it made you the man you are today, bro.  I do is that's real. That's real, man I just I just like the way that that you know that that you do the questions We've asked you the things that you've said man Like I said some some kid out there if it's a guy that's trying to rap that that's trying to get in the rap game What would you what would you tell him? Focus on what you got going on and you can't take everybody with you You're moving you got to be places get there Okay, reason I always be by myself when everybody see me they gonna see me move on myself is because I got friends and family Who I like but at the same time when it's business. I ain't got time to go over here. I didn't do it before I like I know I got to be there 730 bro. I tell you I'm ready. I'll be there at 645. I get there You got a oh, let me let me put my shirt on Let me wait for my girl to come back from the store now 745 and we just not leaving well And I'm 15 minutes late on something so it's like You can't have emotions when you're dealing with this treat this as a business Yeah, if you if you're trying to do it treated as a business Yeah, treat it just like you go to work Why treat it as a business respected and it's gonna respect you wow Otherwise if you just want to rap for your homeboys and do that in the room Just get you a job and keep working and just do that when you when you know that's good stuff That's good stuff. Thank you so much man. Anything else you want to tell your fans before we leave Hey, I appreciate y'all rhyme with me For all these years, it's been 23 years since I done touched that microphone And y'all done been with me every day since then and y'all will continue to be with me So April 21st diamond in the rough diamond music group That's my label Y'all be on the lookout for my new artist to 6-5. I got a new artist named 6-5 too man So shout out Eddie be my producers my brother doski G time capture film We we in here stack mode shout out my boy stack mode You need to get my boy money nine hundred up in here on the interview to okay straight up.  Yeah shout out money nine hundred y'all go get his album cool with COVID-19 hundred I'm on my way to his really come out right now. Yeah. Yeah, it came out Yeah, well, I just gonna go to show right now. I just I just video shoot at night Yeah, I have video shoot one day. I can say this boy right here. He only he linked in but that's the reason here He's three I don't go nowhere.  I'm not first I wrap I hit him up He like come to the studio right now, but I didn't have the court to go get them. Wow That's my guy man. I like my little brother. Well, like you're just family You know, we just we try to link up to make sure we get the right information to try to get somebody some help through These microphones, you know, I mean get everybody linked in and I think it's like I know it's doing this thing Man, God is good and I appreciate you for coming on the show man You always welcome back and I respect what you've done so far and I know you're gonna do greater and bigger things We wish you much success. We love you. We want to see you win. That's what it is Appreciate the same man. Let's worship check it man boss talk 101 boss top 101