conded it so uh we're off and running all those who wish to approve say hi hi hi thank you okay thanks bill um so the last thing on the item is uh nick extending the rec program yeah so nick is here um as i think you probably all know school has been delayed till uh september 8th and um i talked to nick a week or so ago right after i heard about it and nick had already sprung into action and had already been working on a plan so why don't you just go ahead nick and tell him what we're talking about and what you'd like to do okay thank you guys um so i'm trying to bill this afternoon and i think he sent in to you but it's just the one pager um going over the purpose of it it's basically summer camp um you know as it has been for the past eight weeks uh just just a smaller size due to staff availability um a lot of even though uh covid's very present in active day a lot of colleges are still accepting students back so we're losing a lot of our staff uh back to college um and then the ones that are staying home uh and working remotely uh and some of the our high school staff that are a little bit um more mature uh we'll be running this camp it'll it'll host 44 kids um instead of the original uh 101 125 that we were able to hold um they'll be at two locations uh anderson and uh wesley we got confirmation that we could use that church again for the additional two weeks um outside of that um there isn't anything that's changed too much we're gonna charge $100 a week per resident um and $150 for non-residents and that projected to it no additional costs to the taxpayers this this two weeks will pay for itself any additional ability for new new kids you full up um i mean what if what if some of the parents or whatever reason pull their kids at the end of the regular season um how would you fill that void yeah so i should have specified in the registration so since it can only hold 44 kids uh registration will open up like it does on town meeting day next monday at 7 p.m and it'll be like town meeting day first come first serve based on who's interested and who gets the spot i sent a survey out a week ago uh got a huge response back looks like it's gonna be popular it's probably gonna be wait listed um i anticipate those 44 slots selling out very quickly but if they don't sell out or if somebody leaves the program you'll you'll probably have a waiting list and be able to fill that slot right absolutely yeah yeah the only downside from my perspective is that it's you know 44 kids i think that that the survey that nick sent out indicates there's probably more demand than that but in such a short time frame we we just don't have the ability to turn around and and hire additional staff to be able to take care of more than the 44 kids and because you know locations are an issue uh you can only have what 25 students at a location anyway or something like yeah 25 staff and kids right so i think this is the the best that we can do on such short notice um i did feel it necessary to come before the select board just to make sure that you know you're on board with us uh going forward with it our typical summer rec program is eight weeks and uh there will still be one gap week right that we're not going right up to the day school opens it's still going to be like normal where there'll be one week of nothing right yeah so staff's recommendation is to approve this to allow us to to implement what nick has put together um and um you know because there there's a demand for it i think that you know we could sell more slots if we had more staff in more places but we just don't have that luxury so emotion needs to be made then to extend the rec program to the dates or as we need to date yeah for traditional weeks uh starting and ending uh august 17th to the 28th to extend it those two weeks and make that motion extend it the two weeks second any further discussion are your are your staff trained in why sit down there i didn't know if you could get any any kind of volunteers or whatever background checks and all that need to be done yeah all right all right so motion has been made and seconded um any further if there's no further discussion then we'll put it to bed all those who wish to approve would say aye hi hi pass it and with the heads up um we're not prepared to go into the details tonight but nick will probably be back at next week's meeting for another those things that we might be trying to do into the fall um but we're not ready to talk about that yet but you know with with school only being in session with one day a week for each child uh you know there's there's demand for um for programming and and care we don't know yet how we can meet it or what we're going to do but nick will probably be back next week with at least a conversation about what we might be able to do going forward so uh just a heads up yep okay i appreciate that and anything else from anybody i'll close it out all right well i appreciate you all being patient with me there through my computer dilemma uh i'll try to have my act together a little better next time mr technology oh yeah you know me right i'm good with a shovel in the ditch but when it comes to this stuff it's out of my league so i'll take a motion to adjourn and by the way just a real quick comment did anyone get another one of those email things that have been coming around the do you did net net you know i forget from whom yeah i got one that's pretending to be chris or about an urgent matter it's kind of getting out of control yeah must be i'm a pretty popular guy well i've gotten exactly the same email from almi too yeah just say no to all of it yeah yeah okay thanks for the warning mic okay take a uh the second on the motion earlier adjourn i'll second all right buddy else all those in favor hi hi thanks everyone thank you all bye night


We just made this giant foam metal wall clock using a jigsaw and our polar laser, and we'll show you how we did it right now What is up a welcome back do like to do a builder make it so do we and we have a new video each week So be sure to like comment subscribe and hit that bell to be notified of our new videos this week If you've watched our channel for a while, then you know that I like big clocks, and I cannot lie Yes, we do a new clock just about once or twice a year. Yeah, I do love making clocks So I like finding new ways to make clocks Yeah So this one's different than any of the ones we've done before where they're always a little bit different This one's different because we're gonna show you how we're gonna make a 36 inch clock using our desktop laser Kind of jigsaw the easy way a step one. We're gonna gather all of our supplies We needed a sheet of half-inch plywood. We needed a sheet of five millimeter plywood a jigsaw our omtech polar laser We're gonna need some paint. We're gonna make this look like metal so galvanized metal So we're gonna use this hammered silver little primer to primer boards first sandpaper to smooth out those rough edges and some glue and Some stain and some Step two, we're gonna make all of our cuts I'm gonna show you a new trick that I learned to make a perfect circle out of plywood using a jigsaw and His new favorite thing some alien tape alien tape. I love my alien tape I'm gonna use the panel saw to cut this five millimeter inch plywood Down to something that will fit inside the desktop laser I'm gonna go with like 10 by 18 that way I'll get the most out of each board I Have this little five millimeter scrap left over from cutting the five millimeter plywood I'm gonna cut just a little slot in there kind of try to line it up with the foot there I'm just cutting a little slot so the blade will slide in So the blade will slide in when I put it on the other way I'm gonna use some alien tape. I love this stuff I'm gonna use some alien tape and tape my jigsaw to this piece of wood Now I'm measuring it using the backside because once this alien tape sticks to something it is stuck Now I'm gonna try to keep the foot the left side of this drill or left side of this saw I'm gonna try to keep that foot flush with the board So I get a nice even cut I'm just gonna press it down.  I'm gonna find the center of the board that I'm gonna cut the circle out of I'm just gonna draw an X and wherever the X lands is the middle corner to corner Now I'm gonna place the hole that I just drilled over the X that I just made and Gonna put a screw through the hole and try to hit the center of that X and then screw it in there I don't want to screw it too tight though I want the saw to be able to move around freely or the little compass to move around freely I'm using a drill bit the size of my saw blade just to start a pilot hole Right out on the edge I'm gonna have to bend the blade just slightly to get it in the pilot hole But that's fine It'll even out as it goes around and then I'll just continue around until I cut past that pilot hole I'm not gonna push at all. I'm letting the saw do all of the work I'm just simply spinning the board underneath the saw. I mean, this is pretty brainless I don't I don't even need to pay attention. I guess I don't want to lose any fingers, but otherwise This is really easy I'm gonna continue on past that pilot hole like I said just to make sure that it's Nice and even and clean. I'm gonna keep going a little bit more Remove the screw and I have a perfect circle perfect All right, I have my perfect circle. I mean that was a lot easier than I thought. He's making me hold the board Now I'm gonna take this five millimeter plywood over to the omtech polar laser And we're gonna cut out all of our numbers for our clock and sand. We're gonna sand and paint We're trying to get the surface nice and smooth so that when we spray it with that hammered steel look It'll look like hammered steel and not soak into the wood. So we're gonna sand it really well We're gonna prime it really well, and then we're gonna sand it really well You know, I love Brand new sandpaper. Yeah, I love new sandpaper That new sandpaper feel Glows they don't come all the way down. I was gonna say I think they're great Oh, you know what though? The gloves don't fit You must have quit.  Well, then I've got some rubber gloves you can use It's nice and smooth and we want to give it that galvanized look I want the metal look But I don't know where to get metal and I can't cut metal if you guys followed our previous videos the last time Garrett cut metal he almost I don't know. He's behind this ball here He almost stabbed himself in the eye with some some metal shears. Anyway We're gonna use this hammered silver spray paint to give it that galvanized look. That's what they called me in college Hammered silver. Hammered silver We're gonna start by laying embers around the outside Around the outside You're in this little tool that I made to help us space them out once we think it's all right We're gonna glue them all down with a little bit of star bond thick. I guess we'll start at High noon. Oh, it must be at the bottom. I don't see noon. I didn't even answer you Was that the one here on your hand? It was the one on my hand. Okay, so tell me how you made this little jig So I just made it so it would space the one that it's on and then the two next to Yeah, wait a minute. Do we have oh no, what is this? They can't have two letters, okay? You can't am I looking at it wrong? What are you talking about? Well IV would be four But you can't have IIV I'm just saying like vii is seven Yeah, huh? That's seven. Okay. Let's just keep going That's nine six seven. Where's eight? Is that IV? Was it? Well, I can tell this was the back. So yeah, that was the back one two six seven nine No, no, no, it's vii three three eyes after it. That's eight. Are you sure? Yeah, a hundred percent I'm good with my Roman numerals I guess I will go. I made up Roman numerals. So it's vii. I don't know. I was just That looks right. I'm not Roman. I'm not Roman Matt and then I saw this number and I was like, I don't know what that number is Did you know you could get all of our files behind the scene content and even a Kim and Garrett after dark podcast as well as Monthly zoom calls access to a secret Facebook group and we'll even send you one of these fancy t-shirts all for $20 a month It's the best way to support this channel.  What you don't normally count in Roman numerals Nope, I don't I use my abacus instead Bits and pieces I'm gonna widen the hole that the little screw is in to help me draw my perfect circle I'm gonna widen it and then we'll add a little clock pieces Does it these this one doesn't tell you exactly the Size of the shaft. There's no shaft size. I'm just kind of guessing Well, I mean it should tell you I did not see any markings I'm gonna use some painters tape to protect my Fo metal while I'm drilling the hole. We're gonna go from front to back, right? So doesn't front to back through You'll front to back. It's not big enough I can add some d-hooks so that we can actually hang this big guy But first we're gonna put them on a little scrap of Half-inch plywood is a little scrap from cutting circle. I'm gonna add the d-hooks To this piece of scrap. I'm gonna add some star bond to the back We'll level it. I'll put it up on there and then throw two screws in the back of this guy Pinning it to the back of the clock and we're doing that because the clock piece sticks out the back a little bit This is about the same width and allow the the clock to hang flush Yeah, should hang flat instead of being all kicked out laid back. I have it down here on my feet That's why I'm all in doing like this The great thing about these d-hooks they come with the screws already in there. All you have to do is just screw right in I don't need it hanging all caddywampus You can use wood glue. Yeah, you can use a little bit. Star bond just happens to be what's handy That's my favorite right there. Star bond is like my Frank's red hot Whoa, what's happening? Oh, you can do it like that. Yeah, right is that straight up and down? Yes Want to draw a little line so that you can lay it down flat and screw it in No, just hold it. No, I'm gonna push against you. Oh, no, no, no, no. All right, you guys stop moving it. I Was ready to go What do you mean not like that? I can't lay it down. Yes, you can Well, why add a step? Well, maybe we're not Using the best method and are you serious huge the biggest wrist watch ever small desktop? laser big project taking these numbers and then breaking your pieces down into smaller pieces that can be Reassembled larger. It's a great way to think outside of your cutting area Yeah, leave me a comment down below about the biggest project you ever made on your laser and with that I think we are up if you're not gonna join us for the patron to have to show we will see you next week or we'll do it building and make it again and Don't forget about Tuesday is where we're live and we do some kind of test cut or something every Tuesday This thing's a lot heavier than it will one finger. Why are we doing it?


Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the channel. I am here at Flair's Farm. And we've just had a successful day of duck hunting. One of my best days I've ever had. Second best day I've ever had. I got a limit today, so much fun. Something I wanted to do, because one of our camera guys we have on Google Squad, he's a huge fly fisherman. He was telling me before we even went out, he was like, man, if you get a wood duck, save me some of those feathers because he makes our flies, our sought after, certain flies that use wood duck feathers, like these plumage right here. So what I wanted to do was take some of these and use these to make some lures with and see if I can catch some fish with these. All the flooding up here has made all these ducks come just live, just live in the area. So this plumage right here, I don't know what the specific name of it is. It looks like a, it's like a zebra golden pattern. These ducks are just one of the most beautiful creatures on North America. Just like this.  Feathered trebles, that's the word I'm looking for. Feathered trebles out of these right here, you betcha. So I'm just gonna take some of these while we're cleaning these ducks here. And then when we get back to the dangle cave, we're gonna finagle up some hooks and some different stuff to see if we can make these work. Through the Miracle Flat, we have returned to the great state of Texas with our wood duck feathers. Now literally 10 minutes ago, I tied my first example, just playing around so I wasn't fumbling with the tools. I kind of have an idea now of making the knots, getting it started, tying a half hitch, very, very basic knowledge. So now let's take a look at the little fly tying station I got and let's attempt to make some livers out of some duck feathers. So this is the little fly tying station that I got. This was cheap. I picked this up at Cabela's for like 30 bucks and it has all these little tools in here. Most important things though are the bobbin, which has the thread. I bought this thread separately and got this little tool right here that allows you to thread that through there. Without this thing, I'm not really seeing out that line. That thread goes through. There's various other tools in here that I'm not really sure what they are.  This is the plumage that we've got. I got tons of them. It's just off one duck. And then there's a couple of real pretty accent feathers right there. They're a bit longer and they have that black and white tip on there. Those are the ones I'm really interested in on making some bigger jig heads. I think that's gonna be really attractive in the water.  Let's disregard those for now. So let's pick some of these out here. I am not sure how much we're gonna need. This is gonna be 100% experimentation, but the first lure that I wanna do is an eighth ounce jig head. It's meant for putting like a grub or some other type of swim bait or plastic on, but we're just gonna use the feathers. And this is kind of a common winter technique to use jig heads with, you know, bucktail. Literally they use buck hair to make this, but I thought it'd be cool to use what the feathers could affect the fall. I don't know what these feathers are really gonna do when I swim them. I think we should go with these two and maybe add just a little bit of filler. First thing I'm gonna attempt to do is I'm gonna cut these like cuticles off essentially. And right at the top of these feathers, there's like fluff. I feel like just these three is gonna be enough water resistance with that eight ounce head. Okay, so in order to get this started, kind of have to hold everything all at once. Wow, this is very difficult, especially with the camera right in my grill. But I'm gonna maneuver this little hanging thread towards the back here. This, and I'll start right there. Gonna work my way up. This first series of wraps is just getting this thing locked on here. I should probably be using like a heavier thread. I have no idea. I'm using the correct kind. This stuff seems like it's kind of weak. Stop it right there and make a couple of half itch. Not so with the half itch. Just make a loop like this, round all those feathers, and we will snip that off. There we are. Look at that beautifulness. Straight off of the water, these ducks. It's right here in the fish cave. I mean, that is just cool looking. Lure number one, the wood duck eighth ounce jig. For lure number two, we're gonna go with a different kind of jig head that I've never used. This one is a crappie magnet. I think what it's going to do is be more of a darter style head like the old school darter heads. This is an eighth ounce. It's got a really cheap hook and a 90 degree bend on the jig head, but the end of it's just interesting to me. Again, I'm just gonna tie it up to where that little keeper is, that little nub, and we'll see what it does. Okay, we'll just go ahead and lock that in the vice. And for this, we're gonna use some of the smaller plumage. Brief feathers just sort of feels right to me. I think that's gonna be the deal.  And I'm just gonna tie it as close up there as I can. Hardest parts, just kind of getting it going. I'm gonna let that hang right there before I make any major moves here. I'm just gonna adjust these feathers to where I really want them. That was kind of a mistake I made on the last one. I'm gonna start my wraps. I'm gonna go back down close to the hook point where I started.  Again, no idea if this is the correct way, but I think it's gonna work. Half hitch secure there. Now I'm gonna go all the way up to the shank. Gave that one five half hitches at the top to literally tie it off. And it came out pretty. Little tiny plumage at the bottom there, straight down, and then these off to the side. So I'm hoping when this is jigging through the water, it's gonna have a nice little dip and then settle back down. But I think that's gonna work right there. Next up, we're gonna get a little fancy. I'm gonna take a 16th ounce crappie jig head, which this is my favorite weight for crappie jig heads. I'm gonna take some of this made in Italy. Wow. I think it's called chenille. Ooh, chartreuse. This is essentially gonna be a crappie jig. So we're gonna end up with four different kinds of jigs, a feather treble, and I also wanna do a bladed jig with feathers.  So let's begin. It sounds really professional when I say let's begin. I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm having fun. This is pretty cool. Just wanted to go straight down. Need to hold that for the first few wraps until it gets on kilter. Gonna make a little adjustment here.  So the whole base doesn't move on me. Half-pitches, do one more. Give it a little clip. My goodness, y'all. I feel like I know what I'm doing. I'll be honest with you, right now I've got these creative juices flowing. I feel like I'm doing something with my life here, making flies. This is just like crack for old men. I know why people do this now. I mean, you can get super artful with it. And then when you go out and catch your own fish on it, which we haven't even done yet, it's gonna feel super good.  Just lay that there. That's where I want the end to be, so. Ladies and gentlemen, that is a half-decent-looking crappie jig right there, if I've ever seen one. Look at the flare on the back. Wabam, chartreuse color. Good little dirty water hopper. Not gonna lie, I'm kind of proud of that. For this next one, we're gonna need a good name, y'all.  We're gonna take some of this chartreuse Chanel. I still don't know how to say that, whatever. I'm gonna get some hot pink. That's right, hot pink. My favorite jig head color, if I had to pick one, for crappie is pink. There's something about it, especially in dirty water, stained water, which I fish a lot of. This just seems to stand out. I don't know, they like it. We're gonna take the jig head, we're gonna dip it in this pink powder that's gonna adhere to it. Then we're gonna take the chartreuse, put that on as a base, plus the duck feather on the back. This is gonna be a taste of treat. We are reaching way back into old school LFG videos right now. Talking garage vids right now. Give a quick shake to your powder. We're gonna heat up our jig head for about eight to 10 seconds.  Well, after almost burning my leg off, I learned a little something there. I could melt off the hook keeper just using the flame. So I just put the flame right here and it just fell right off. I'm just gonna clean it up with a file. And then this way we have a little bit more room on the shank, actually a lot more room. Okay, that should be good enough now. Now we're ready to tie our feather on. The original ones look like this. So now we got more room to work with. I want the vein of that feather to be right on the bottom here. And then I want it to just extend out straight down. I don't want it to be off to the side, left or right or on top. I want it to be on the bottom. Because the way I'm just gonna work this is just up and down like that. All the way up to the head there where we started, give it the old snippy. Got our start. I'm gonna snip, half hitch it. That's very nice right there. Head there and then go way back down. Snip our excess. We're little wraps here. And let's do half hitches. One more, snip off our line there. Snip off that little excess.  Again, we need a name for that one. That is something. Woo! I just feel good about that. I tied that pretty well, I think. Look at that, it's fanned perfectly on the bottom. And on each one, I'm getting better. I think doing the little extra wraps just kind of loose, going around that helps. Helps keep the body mean. That thing is tight. There's a special kind of glue that you use to seal that up. It's like a knot sealer. I'm just gonna use super glue because that's what I have on hand. Not gonna lie, arts and crafts in the dangle cave. Pretty fun. Now lastly, we're just gonna go with a simple blade bait. I'm gonna take some of the biggest, the longest feathers that I have of the bunch and I'm gonna attach those to the end. A little bit of Chanel probably around the head and that'll be it. I think we'll have a full set of lures to go continue with. Pretty as the others, but finish it off with a little glue around the knot. Just look at these delicious creations. Ended up with two straight up crappie jigs. Added a little extra component to them just to give them a little pizzazz and make them true crappie jigs, but I think that downward tail feathers is just gonna be perfect. Then I've got two just small general style 90 degree jigs. You could call these like bigger crappie jigs or bass jigs. One's a darter head, one's just a swim head. We've got a bladed jig, nothing added to it except just a bunch of those feathers. Just all over, got some in the body, some on the tail. And then we've got just our feather treble and there's nothing left to do but to head out there to the water now. So y'all stay tuned for the next episode. We're gonna take the silver bullet out and we're gonna go after multiple different species.  I even added a feather to my hat. Look at that. A little wood duck feather right there. These little feathers are amazingly useful if any of y'all are duck hunters out there. It's duck season right now. Save your feathers, especially if you get a wood duck, some other ducks that have really good patterns. There's multiple different plumages on there that you can use for different types of lures. I've got a whole cup full right here. I plan on making some really cool crappie jigs with. So y'all stay tuned for the next part of this little series where we're gonna take these things out of the water and get them in the mouth. Go ahead and just pound that like button for creativity and while you're at it, go ahead and subscribe to the channel so you don't miss the next episode and all the outdoor adventures ahead. I'll see y'all on the next one.


What's good, YouTube? This is your boy Chihuahua, back with y'all again with another art tutorial, man. If you're new to the channel, go ahead and hit that like button, comment, subscribe, make sure you click, post notifications so you will be notified every time you watch y'all some heat. In today's video, I will be showing you guys how to make a gradient background for all your art, like your cartoon heads or whatever you want to use it for. So without further ado, let's jump right to this video. Okay, first thing you want to do, you want to go ahead and pick your background color with your rectangle tool. So make sure your rectangle tool is selected. Find the color you want to use for the background. Let's say I want to use green. Okay, what I would do is I would drag that rectangle tool over the entire picture. After I do that, I lock that layer, create a new layer right above it, and then I come over here to my swatches and select Super Soft Black Vignetti, if I said that right.  And now you got the little effect right here, and that ain't it. What you want to do while you still got it selected, you want to come over here to your gradient tool map thing, and then you want to switch these colors until you find the color green bit. So we're just going to keep going to each little point right here. Each gradient slider, that's what it's called, and drag these colors until we make them all green. And you see how it fades into a dark green, you know what I'm saying? So let's go ahead and tweak this color a little more, so the fade to be perfect. After I do that, what I like to do, I like to come over here to the side to my gradient tool and select that, until I get this option right here. Once I get that, that's when I make it fade better, you know what I'm saying? I pull this in some, and I also make my circle a little wider so I can make my fade go in smoother, you know what I'm saying? And then I lock that layer, and you can save it. They supposed to hit export, export as, and I use PNG files always when I'm saving my artwork, you know what I'm saying? And there you go. That's how you make the gradient background. Let's try to find it real quick. Here we go. Gradient background. That's how you make the gradient background in Adobe Illustrator. Make sure you stay tuned, or he coming soon or I might be dying.


Good evening. Be seated. I have an important announcement. In two weeks, I will send Vice President Bush to Geneva to present to the Forty Nation Conference on Disarmament a bold American initiative for a comprehensive worldwide ban on chemical weapons. Our proposal would prohibit the production, possession, and use of chemical weapons. The shortcomings of early chemical weapons treaties have been made tragically clear in recent years. Chemical weapons have been used against defenseless peoples in Afghanistan and Southeast Asia and in the conflict between Iran and Iraq. The use of these terrible weapons also has serious implications for our own security. The Soviet Union's extensive arsenal of chemical weapons threatens US forces. It requires the United States to maintain a limited retaliatory capability of its own until we achieve an effective ban. We must be able to deter a chemical attack against us or our allies. And without a modern and credible deterrent, the prospects for achieving a comprehensive ban would be nil. Our comprehensive treaty proposal can bring the day closer when the world will prohibit all chemical weapons. But verification of a chemical weapons ban won't be easy. Only an effective monitoring and enforcement package can ensure international confidence in such an agreement. The United States is, therefore, developing bold and sound verification procedures. This latest initiative reflects my continuing strong commitment to arms control. Our administration seeks to move forward in several areas. I'm pleased, for example, that the United States is also participating in a promising new multilateral negotiation dealing with confidence-building measures in Europe and in the recently resumed East-West talks on reducing conventional forces in Europe. We're working closely with our NATO allies to try to make progress in all these areas. I can't report these promising developments, however, without expressing my deep personal regret that the Soviet Union still has not returned to the two negotiations on nuclear arms reductions, the start and the INF talks, which it walked away from late last year. The United States and many other countries have urged repeatedly that the Soviets return to these talks. So far, they have ignored the will of the world. I hope that the Soviet leadership will respond to our new initiatives, not only by negotiating seriously on chemical weapons, but also by joining us in the urgent task of achieving real reductions in nuclear arms. And the Vice President's mission is a vital one, and we wish him Godspeed. And now, Helen. Secretary of State Gert Schultz is advocating a wider, greater use of military force, a show of force around the world, and also preemptive strikes against potential terrorists. And this week, you slammed the door on negotiations for killer satellites, which could lead to an arms race in space. My question is, how do these moves serve the cause of peace? And do you think that the country is really ready for wider involvement, military involvement around the world? I don't think that George meant to imply anything of that kind, or that we're going to get more militant or anything. I think he was trying to express to those people that have been so concerned about arms and whether there's an arms race, and that is that your military strength is a definite part of diplomacy. And I think this is what he was trying to explain. With regard to the space weapons, this is a situation in which the Soviet Union is ahead of us and already has in place such a weapon. We are still in the stage of studying such a thing. The great problem that we have, and we're very willing to enter into a treaty with regard to outlawing such weapons, except that it so far seems almost impossible to verify such a weapon, if not actually impossible. And if that's true, then we again must have a deterrent. Mr. President, you're one who always says nothing is impossible, and you're going to try on chemical weapons. Why don't you on the killer satellite? Well, in both of them we're trying, but we, as we say, we have to face the reality that before you can place any confidence in such a treaty, you must be confident that you have the one thing that the Soviets have been the most reluctant to give in any treaties that we've ever had, or that we have with them. And that is verification procedures. Mr. President, more than a dozen members of your administration have left under some sort of a cloud, and this is what the Democrats are calling the sleaze factor, are you concerned that voters might think there's a lack of integrity in the people that you've hired? And how are you going to deal with this as a campaign issue? Well, in the first place I reject the use of the word sleaze, and I don't think that it fits any of the situation that we have here. I'll repeat what I have said many times before in over a period of years. I believe the halls of government are as sacred as our temples of worship, and nothing but the highest integrity is required of those who serve in government. But at the same time I also respect very much something that is very typically American, and that is you are innocent until proven guilty, and we're having an awful lot and have for the past several years of guilt by accusation. And I intend to protect that particular American tradition, and I would think that you would all feel a shared responsibility in doing the same thing, that you're not guilty simply because you've been accused. Now, I will be the first to remove anyone in the administration that does not have the highest integrity, and I adhere to that at the same time, however, I'm not going to take any action that is based on accusation without proof, and I'm not going to take any action in any case for political expediency. Oh, is this all politics that's behind this, and if that's the case, why have you let some of these people leave? Well, some of these people have simply, they have left on their own, and they have left simply because they recognize that while they remain a part of the administration, the accusations and the charges will continue. Now others have not felt that way, and a great many have been cleared, but it's a strange thing that their names keep popping up again by the same ones who were the first to throw the accusations out. Mr. President, with regard to your proposal to ban chemical weapons, isn't this a proposal another way to get Congress what they have failed to do for the last three years, which is appropriate money for chemical weapons, and what do we say if our adversaries accuse us of talking peace but preparing for war? Well, I don't think the accusation would stand up if they said that. The situation is that we haven't produced any such weapons for 15 years. The Soviet Union has a massive arsenal and is ahead of us in many areas having to do with chemical warfare. Now if there is ever one example or one place where there is an example of the power of a deterrent force, it is in the field of chemical weapons, and I hand you World War II, when all the nations had them and no one used them, even in the most desperate moments when defeat was staring at them because they knew that the others had them and could use them in return. The second thing is if we're going to have a chemical warfare ban or a treaty banning them, you've got to have something to bargain with, and therefore it's just the same as it is with the other weapons. They must know that the alternative to banning them is to then face the fact that we are going to build a deterrent. The Congressional Budget Office has just released a study on the impact of your budget and tax cuts. The budget and tax cuts have been enacted since you took office, and it found that the poorest families lost the most and the richest families gained the most. For instance, families earning under $10,000 a year lost almost $400, and families earning over $80,000 a year gained more than $8,000. Is that fair? It not only wouldn't be fair, but I don't think it's true. You know, as Disraeli once said, there are lies, blankety-blank lies, and statistics. We have a tax program that was a 25% cut across the board. Now that's 25% reduction in the tax burden of everyone. If you have someone whose tax burden is $20, that cut means that they say $5, and they still owe $15. But someone who owns 100 times as much, who pays 100 times as much tax, $2,000, gets $500, but still owes $1,500. In other words, the progressivity of the tax program stays the same. So there is no way that the tax program could have benefited someone at one end of the scale and not the other. It's based on proportions. The other thing is that makes me doubtful of those figures is what we have done for everyone with regard to inflation, and here you do benefit the people at the lower end of the scale more than you do at the top. Now the fact of that is someone at the beginning of 1979 with an $8,000 income, they were about $500 or so above the poverty level income. By the end of 1982 years later, with that same income, they were some $500 below the poverty level income in purchasing power. The figures all, maybe some of the things they were talking about is that in our program, and it wasn't an executive order, it was passed by Congress and signed by me, with regard to some cuts, for example, in the Aid for Dependent Children program. Now every protection was made for all of those totally depended on welfare. There's some 3 million of them still there. There were 943,000 families that were removed, but they were families that had considerable outside earnings plus their welfare grants. Now we were told when we did this that all these people would quit their jobs just to take the security of being on welfare. Well only a very few did, and two-thirds of the people that did not, then sizably increased their actual earnings and became independent of welfare. Mr. President, just to follow up, whatever the interpretation of this particular report, are you concerned that the perception that your administration has been a friend of the wealthy and at the expense of the poor is going to be a political problem for you this year? Well, I'm concerned about it. It's a political problem if people believe it, but there is absolutely no truth in it. It's probably the most glaring example of political demagoguery that our friends have been engaging in. Yes, sir. Mr. President, last October you said the presence of U.S. Marines in Lebanon was central to our credibility on a global scale. Now you've withdrawn them and terminated our presence in the MNF. So to what extent have we lost credibility? We may have lost some with some people, but situations changed, Sam. It was true when I said that, but I can, I think, explain, and I'll try to make it as brief as I can, what the situation or what the change was. We and three of our allies, our four governments, decided that in an effort to straighten out the situation that was so out of control in Lebanon that we would send in a combination force, a multiple force, not to participate in a war, but to be on hand to help provide stability while the Lebanese were allowed then to create a government. You remember, civil war had been going on there for about 10 years. And at the time this was decided, the Israelis were at the border of Beirut. The PLO, 10 to 15,000 of them were fighting from within the heart of Beirut. The Syrians were also involved. The idea was that if a government could be created in Lebanon and then we could help them recreate their military and the foreign forces withdraw, then as their military moved out into the areas previously occupied by the foreign powers to hopefully pacify some of the international fighting groups, the militias that were fighting each other as well as the official forces of Lebanon, that the multinational force would be a kind of a stable peacekeeping force behind keeping order while they went out to do that job because they wouldn't have the manpower to do both. Now this was the task. The first success was the leaving Lebanon of some 10 to 15,000 PLO who up until then were unwilling to surrender even though they faced defeat because they feared a massacre at the hands of those that were fighting them. So with the multinational force there to guarantee against that, they were ushered out. Now the government was formed of Lebanon, the same government that today is negotiating and has been holding meetings in Geneva and elsewhere to bring about a peaceful settlement. We did train and there was no attention paid to this. Our army had a unit in their training, the Lebanese military, and equipping them and made a very capable military. What did happen, the deterioration when Syria insisted on staying in and backing some of the rebel radical forces there, was that with religious and ethnic differences some units of the army refused to take up arms against some of their same ethnic background or religious background. Now the government of Lebanon went forward then on trying to bring together the kind of a consensus government of the radical elements and all and take them into a broad and base government. In the meantime, because the multinational force had been successful, to that extent it was determined by those who don't want that kind of a solution in Lebanon that they had to put the pressure on to get our forces and the others out. And with the terrorist attacks that brought such tragedy, our forces dug in, but once dug in while this was offering security to them from the kind of attacks they'd been subjected to, they were no longer visible as the kind of force they were supposed to be. And so with agreement with our allies we redeployed, some of them redeployed to other areas, but then as these efforts went forward on their own for peace was agreed that there was no longer any point in the four governments keeping their forces there and we withdrew. We are still engaged diplomatically with anything that we can do to help and there are those in the area who say that they doubt that there can be any solution or peace without our help. And so we'll do that. If I may, you began your answer by saying we lost some credibility.  I have to say this, Sam, and then I'll move on another subject. I have to say that this was one of the things and they must take a responsibility. When you're engaged in this kind of a diplomatic attempt and you have forces there and there is an effort made to oust them, a debate as public as was conducted here, raging with the Congress demanding, oh, take our, bring our men home, take them away, all this can do is stimulate the terrorists and urge them on to further attacks because they see a possibility of success in getting the force out, which is keeping them from having their way. And it should come to the, it should be understood by everyone in government that once this is committed, you are, you have rendered them ineffective when you conduct that kind of a debate in public. Mr. President, the Senate today unanimously adopted a proposal to withdraw U.S. military aid from El Salvador. If the government there is overthrown by a military coup, some people have suggested that that might happen if Mr. Duarte is elected. Do you support the proposal that passed the Senate today and would you veto it if it came to your desk? Well, I'm not going to talk about whether to veto or not, but I think here, again, this is not helpful in what we're trying to, trying to accomplish. And I think it's something that I just don't think they should be doing it at this time. Chris? You don't support it, sir? No. Chris? I'd like to follow up on Sam's question if I could, Mr. President. Secretary of State Schultz says one of the problems in Lebanon is the War Powers Act, and that Congress is always meddling in foreign policy that neither our foes nor our friends know who's in charge. How much of a problem do you have with the War Powers Act, and would you like to see a Supreme Court test of whether or not it's constitutional? Well, there's been no talk of such a test or doing anything of that kind, but, Chris, I do have to say this. In the last 10 years, the Congress has imposed about 150 restrictions on the President's power in international diplomacy. And I think that the Constitution made it pretty plain, way back in the beginning, as to how diplomacy was to be conducted. And I just don't think that a committee of 535 individuals, no matter how well-intentioned, can offer what is needed in actions of this kind or where there is a necessity. Do you know that prior to the Vietnamese War, while this country had only had four declared wars, presidents of this country had found it necessary to use military forces 125 times in our history? If I could follow up on that, people do cite Vietnam, where presidents waged an undeclared war for years, and they say, without the War Powers Act, that's going to continue. Well, take it, Chris. This is a time for me to say I told you so. For a long time, and even before I became governor, I was saying that the war in Vietnam had reached a position or a state in which we should have asked for a declaration of war and called it a war. Yes, I'll get to you, Luke. Mr. President, while you were lobbying for the school prayer amendment recently, the gist of one of your arguments was that Congress should pass it, because polls showed the American people were overwhelmingly in favor of it. Public opinion polls also show that Americans favor stricter control of handgun sales and an immediate verifiable US-Soviet nuclear freeze. In light of that and in light of your argument, do you see any change in your position on these two issues? No, I don't. And I think that calling attention to the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people favored prayer being permitted in schools was a logical thing to say to the members of Congress when I was trying to get that amendment passed. My only regret is that the debate was never on the real issue. I don't know how to explain it, but for them to sit there and debate hour after hour as they did, that somehow we were asking for prayer to be mandated on schools. We were asking nothing of the kind. Quite the contrary, we were asking that the Constitution be restored to neutrality with regard to religion. The government is to neither be an advocate of nor a controller of or preventer of the practice of religion. All the amendment would do is say if someone wants to pray in schools they can under the Constitution, and then we did add some provisions that no one could mandate, no one could write or prepare any prayer for them. And they didn't debate that at all. They debated openly all the time, in spite of a few people trying to bring them back on track, that no, this would be a government mandate that the schools the very next day would have to wake up and say, all right, how are we going to plan the prayers? Well, I was in, I've told many of the congressmen, I was in more elementary schools than most people. My father moved around a great deal. I was in five of them before I got out of eighth grade. And I don't recall there ever being a mandatory or a prayer session in any of the schools, but we all knew the prayer was not denied in schools. Sir, if I could just follow up, I understand your disappointment in the Senate debate and the vote, but I guess what I'm trying to ask you is, why are the public opinion polls a valid argument for the school prayer amendment, which you do favor, and not a valid argument for the handgun control and the nuclear freeze issues, which you do not? Well, there are methods of handling it. I have always preferred a different method with regard to handguns and one that we used in California. In California, knowing that the wrong people would probably never have any problem getting a gun and the law abiding citizen would be denied the right to have one, we simply passed a law that said that anyone who commits a crime is convicted of a crime and had in his or her possession a gun at the time of the commission of the crime, whether they used it or not, add five to 15 years to the sentence by virtue of their having carried or carried a gun in the commission of a crime. You'd be surprised how effective it became. Mr. President, recently the U.S.-backed opponents of the San Anista regime have gone beyond their warfare on land to mining ports off the Nicaraguan coast. Are you concerned that these mines there, which neutral freighters or others could hit, run a risk of widening the war in Central America? And do you think that there's any point in which we ought to try to call a halt to the activity of the Contras? No, our interest in Nicaragua, I'm not going to comment on that one way or the other, or the tactics that are used in a war of that kind, our interest in Nicaragua is one and one only. The present government of Nicaragua is exporting revolution to El Salvador, its neighbor, and is helping, supporting, and arming and training the guerrillas that are trying to overthrow a duly elected government. And as long as they do that, we're going to try and inconvenience that government of Nicaragua until they quit that kind of action. If I could follow up, sir, we are training troops down there in Honduras. Do you see from your perspective a danger of a wider war in Central America at this point? No, I think these maneuvers are something we've done before. They're not something unusual or aimed at anyone down there. They are combined exercises that we hold with our own units. And when one unit goes through some of these and gets the training, we send another one down to do the same thing. And that's all they are, war games. Change in strategy, it's just talking frankly about what's going on. It's like any government with its various interests and its bureaucracies and so forth, we're not making as much progress as we would like to make with regard to the things that I had discussed in Japan with Prime Minister Nakasone and here at the Williamsburg Summit. I know where he stands and I know that he sincerely and honestly wants better trade relations and some of the obstacles removed that are impairing free and fair trade between us. But then there are other elements and they're subject to political pressure and public opinion pressure the same as we are in our own country. And I think what you've been hearing is some complaints about those who are trying to negotiate these things. Jerry? You mentioned the public pressure. Is there any difference between your position on these trade disputes and the position of the Democratic presidential candidates? Well, I'm not going to comment on them other than to say that I think there's a difference with them on almost everything. Jerry? Mr. President, some people might say that you're a man who's approaching the golden years and I'd like to know what your reaction is to Governor Lam of Colorado who said that some elderly people have a duty to die and get out of the way and fall like leaves to provide humus for the younger generation. What is your reaction to that statement? Well, I think I was as shocked as anyone was to hear such a statement. I since, however, have seen reports that that was not exactly the way it was said and that he was referring to outright terminal cases of the kind that had been under so much discussion over recent years of someone who had a very limited time and was, for example, in a coma and simply being artificially kept alive that this is what he was talking about. I don't know. All I know is the way the stories were carried I have not had any one fill me in on the actual case and how he said it and having been interpreted incorrectly myself sometimes I'm going to I'm not going to speak out until I know. Mr. President, you've been saying recently that you're trying to encourage moderate Arab leaders to join the Middle East peace process yet King Hussain, Hussain, the key moderate Arab seems to have shut the door rather firmly. In view of that, what is your future course regarding your 82 peace plan and how do you intend to try to remove the obstacles on that course? That continues to be our plan and I believe that King Hussain still feels and believes that he would have to be an important part being the next door neighbor to Israel in bringing about such negotiations and I continue to believe in this. This is the answer. It's what started this from the very beginning in the Middle East to continue the Camp David process to persuade other nations to do what Egypt did in making that peace. At the present moment you have a group of Arab nations who still are of that have never have never retreated from their position that Israel does not have a right to exist as a nation and we're trying to persuade them and that we can be even-handed and that we're not trying to dictate any peace of any kind, that we simply want to be of help if we can and intermediary in bringing about a negotiation that will erase the issues and the problems that have kept them apart so that they can settle back and live in peace together and we're going to continue to try to do that. Dean, I'll take you. Mr. President, the Soviet Union is currently engaged in perhaps its largest military exercise ever in the Atlantic Ocean, an exercise that involves some 40 vessels including submarines, destroyers and a nuclear-powered battle cruiser. I wonder if you could tell us what you think the Soviet Union is up to in all of this. I think it's spring in Russia as well as in the United States and that's when you have war games and maneuvers. We've been having some of our own. We always tell them when we're going to have them. We wish they'd tell us but I think this is nothing more than that. Your war games are actually whoever's conducting them based on your own thoughts as to what contingencies could arise that would find you in an emergency situation and so you set out to train or practice for that. Some 40 ships I know sounds like an awful lot but when you stop to think that we're talking about a navy of almost a thousand ships, it kind of comes down in size a little bit. No, I think these are regular and routine maneuvers that usually begin in the spring of the year for most of us. So you don't think that the Soviet Union is trying to send us any particular signal? No, I really don't. Nor are we trying to send them a signal with our own war games. President, getting back to your earlier statement that you felt for some time that we should have declared war during the Vietnam period against whom would we have declared war and if we had done so wouldn't that have widened the war and gotten us stuck into an even greater quagmire? Well, I could only say with regard to that I said that at a time when it was going on because of what was going on here in our own country and which none of the rules of warfare could apply with regard to lending comfort and aid to the enemy. Who we would have declared war against would have been a country North Vietnam. The settlement of French Indochina created two nations, South Vietnam and North Vietnam. They were two separate nations. In fact, back through history they had pretty much been separate countries before. You say that because of the situation at the time, whether I would still feel the same way or not, I know that there was great concern about the possibility of a war widening just as there was in Korea that prevented us from allowing General MacArthur to lead us to a victory in Korea. Everyone thought that you have to fight a war without winning it or you might find yourself in a bigger war. Well, maybe General MacArthur was right. There is no substitute for victory. Our people, Sam, just found us, got tired of seeing me in the old set.