Hello, this should now be live and I'm just going to check if it actually is on the webpage and I won't start talking until I actually see my face talking. But till then, till then, till then I wanted to show you, I wanted to show you, actually works nice. So I wanted to show you this video, which is from BabyVogue, and it's BabyVogue trying to convince me to actually join Kitty and it's so nice, like, we need to watch it. Oh, sorry about that, but you know, I've worked on Kitty Plasma for so much time and it's just really about betraying my friends at Plasma. I think they would understand, but the point here is that I do like Plasma a lot and I think it has lots of valid ideas and overall probably Plasma fits me better than GNOME, which is not a GNOME issue, it's just who I am and that's why I keep working on Plasma really. Go ahead. Now, I'm sure that if I joined GNOME I would have lots of cool friends at GNOME, but really it's not about friends and I think the GNOME project is cool too, but I like Plasma so that's what I'm going to develop for. I can also contribute to Plasma and make the community software so much stronger, so that's not really a point, that's so untrue, like it's not true. This portraying the QT company as the evil and the fact that everything that gets implemented to Kitty actually benefits QT, it's so false, that's not how it works, sorry, it's cool that it's a pure community, that's the best part. By the way, notice that all of the backgrounds are from Ghibli movies, that's because I love Ghibli movies and BabyWogway knows that. Look, Ubuntu was installed on my computer, I didn't choose it, it was just there. So let's get back into comments and you can ask me anything really and I'll try to answer as best as I can, as always I'm no expert of everything, so I can try my best though. What do you think of GNOME's top bar and its wasted potential since it has a lot of Venus space? Okay, let's talk about it. So the top bar, which you should be seeing. So we've got the system tree, which is nice, it's there, it makes what it's supposed to do, of course, I prefer the Plasma system tree, but this one just works and with the changes from extensions, it works for me now. So then there is this space, which is reserved for like these icons, which are extensions and more often than not, extensions do add their own icon, so it does make sense to have this space empty. Then there is the center notifications and clock, which makes sense. The only really wasted space in here is that this could fit the global menu and I wouldn't be against using a global menu here, but I don't understand that GNOME's philosophy is not really aligned with that and also to implement it's a bit of a mess because all applications have their own global menus and not always you can fetch them and display them here. So I don't think that it's that much of a wasted space. I would not expect like a task manager to be inside of it, but still it's also not very big like it's what was that like 20 pixels, 25 top. That's not much really. Plasma is double that size. So I don't think it is was wasted space at all. So describe your breakfast. I don't do much breakfast like usually it's a couple of cookies and that's about it. I'm not a breakfast person and there's usually not much breakfast in my house. Do you use KDevelop? Is it still being developed? So as far as I know KDevelop is being developed, but I don't use it. I actually use K, because I think that case just fits my need and I don't see the reason to switch to, you know, more complex application for the needs that are as simple as mine is. Is that Wayland? No, it's actually X, but it's because I'm recording. I haven't yet installed PipeWire to actually record on Wayland, but I will do that. I usually use Wayland on my daily drive. It's not that different from a Plasma panel. Yeah, on the Plasma panel, you've got a couple of things more. You've got the favorite apps and the task manager and the minimize or the show desktop buttons. And I understand that living without them might be a bit weird, but in GNOME, that's what the workflow is like. So it doesn't make sense. Do you use fractional scaling on your laptop? No, my eyes are good enough to have a one to one display ratio. Is that a real window? What, the chat? Yes, it's actually a real window. I can move it around. Is it possible to un-configure a kit for web development like having VS Code IntelliSense? I don't know what IntelliSense is, sorry. There is something you can do for K2, do some web development. There is an SP or, I don't know, of course, code highlight, but also you can have a preview if you're editing an HTML file. Usually when I work on web pages, I just have the web page in Chrome and then decode in K2, but that's because I do simple stuff. Again, that's why I'm using K2 because I do simple stuff. How is your experience with Nautilus? It's okay, it's a bit simple for me, sorry. And sometimes I wish it did a bit more, but it looks nice. The sidebar is always of good size. You know, Dolphin always gets the sidebar size wrong. It's a bit simple for many, though. I do kind of prefer Dolphin in that regard, but it does look nice. IntelliSense is the auto-suggesting and code highlight component of Visual Studio. Okay, that makes sense. And code highlight is there, that's for sure. How to suggest in, there is some auto-suggesting by default. Your mileage may vary on how good that actually is, but you should try it out. Kit is not that bad at all, so. What's your opinion on GNOME theming? So I disagree personally with the idea that apps shouldn't be theme and that there shouldn't be, there should be like a central hard-coded, we could even say theme. And usually when you talk about GNOME developers about theming, it seems like theming is something that I don't know, the distribution should do, like Popeyes should add their own theme, and that makes sense. But users themselves shouldn't care that much about it. I personally disagree, that's my personal opinion. I prefer the idea of plasma theming and I do think that in plasma, in KD in general, we do theming extremely well because something like the plasma style works really nicely and it's very rare to have visual bugs even if you're using third-party, third-party themes. So I do think that it's possible to have themes that don't break apps. And if you don't agree with theming because it breaks up, then you're doing theming wrong. That's my personal take. I know that probably GNOME disagrees with him for the most part, but... What's your opinion on Flatpak? Do you consider Flatpak's the feature of Linux? I don't know, that's something that we have to wait and see really, especially for the competitor Snaps. So I don't like... I kinda like the idea of Flatpak's. I usually don't use them much and I'm slightly worried about how much they deliver of what they say currently because I don't know, apps weren't really designed with the concept of permissions as an example in mind. If you have an application that requires your home directory as a permission, you're not doing much sandboxing, but it's still an improvement compared to before. So it is interesting. But I'm not an expert and I do see that it has some issues for now. So we have to wait and see really. Is there a tool for making Plasma icon packs inkscape? Sorry. Do you feel like GNOME should be more Windows-like for users coming from Windows because it's not customizable? No, I disagree. Because I understand the idea of trying to be accommodating to new users that aren't used to your workflow, but if that compromises your idea of the workflow, then you shouldn't do it because what you're trying to do is not a copy of Windows is your own product. And that's the most important thing. So what GNOME does, I think smartly, is when you first log in, it gives you a couple of tips on how to actually use GNOME and that's very smart. And I think that's where the user should be told about the differences in workflow. But trying to be Windows because Windows users only know Windows, we should avoid that if it undermines our concept of the desktop. The idea of themes in GNOME is broken. The themes are based on changing a CSS file. Even in web development, this is not a good thing. It is a good thing that GNOME doesn't support it. Well, CSS is not necessarily a bad idea to use themes and actually, KDE is kind of moving into that direction, maybe not CSS, but I wouldn't be surprised if future KDE themes were in CSS. And CSS really is not necessarily bad, especially for things like themes. It's not the best tool either, in my opinion, but I don't think that's where the issues are in GNOME's teaming system. How does GNOME handle rounded corners in apps? What are your thoughts on the now legendary corners bug? Thank for all you do. Okay, the corners bug appears on each live stream. Okay, how does GNOME handle round corners in apps? Actually, implementing round corners in apps, it's not that difficult. The issue with the legendary corners bug is that sometimes the creation or third-party scripts force blur to be behind windows when you have even opaque decorations. And what that means is that the blur effect, which GNOME, as far as I know, doesn't have or doesn't use behind windows at least, the blur behind windows doesn't actually know about the geometry of the window. And so it doesn't actually have a mask to avoid blurring also the edges. So that happens because the blur cannot know about the mask of the decoration. Apart from that, it's really, really easy to implement rounded windows. There's already like third-party plugins for Plasma that do it. Of course, you should then try to force blur behind windows with rounded corners because the blur doesn't know about the rounded corners. You a baby Voguewe fan? No, I'm not a baby Voguewe fan because I don't think that baby Voguewe handles correctly the way that he criticizes projects, especially KD. Now, KD developers in general are very fed up with the way that baby Voguewe really criticizes KD, not because he does. It's very legit to criticize KD, but it has to be constructive criticism and baby Voguewe's criticism isn't. So if there's something wrong, you should say, okay, I noticed this thing. In my opinion, this thing is wrong and it could be improved that way. As it is now, it might be an issue because of X. Whereas baby Voguewe is much more, I don't know, it takes things slightly, not seriously and in doing that, it easily offends developers. That's the issue. Your opinion on KD company? Now, KD company hasn't... Now, let me start by saying that KDE has actually a working group, which is all dedicated to actually working with the KD company and to have good relationships. And right now, there is no reason to think that in the short timeframe, there will be major issues. If there were, like if KD decided to stop publicizing, sorry, publishing their code as open source. Well, keep in mind that all of the code that was already open source won't disappear. That's impossible. And also, you can also take all the code and fork it. Don't think that KD wouldn't be able to maintain a fork of KD's code because, well, we do already have many patches that are applied to KD and since they're merged in KD6, there are some patches that are manually patched for KD5 until Plasma 6 comes. Right now, the situation with KD is good. Really, there's no big issue. And it is a good framework, honestly, to use. And if issues were to appear, then we can always fork. We can always fork. That isn't really, I don't see why you're making this seem bigger than it is. What's your opinion about gestures in Plasma desktop? What do you mean? I want gestures on Plasma desktop. That's my opinion. That's everybody's opinion. Everybody wants to have gestures. It's just having to wait for somebody to actually implement them. Let me see, blah, blah, blah. Have you heard of Audi? Yes, I've used it for a lot of time, actually. The official recognition login program. I haven't been able to get it working on KD. I did. I used it for a good year and after a year, I decided it wasn't worth it because, yes, it's cool to login with your face but it's not that faster at all and also STDM is not ready for these kinds of logins. It would work better on GNOME. So if you want to use Audi, you probably also want to use at least GEDM. Yeah. Hi, Nicolo. I've been using Linux as my main desktop for about one year and would like to start contributing to desktop Linux. I have some experience with C++ and Python. How to start on QT development. You should go fetch the grid. Sorry, I can just show you. KD.org has this link, get involved and then you click on development and then you go into this page and there's lots and lots of stuff on how to set up your developer environment, test changes, build apps. QT is not too difficult if you know Python and C++ already. There are some resources about QML like there's a handbook about QBAN but in general to get started, this is the best way to. I believe that constructive criticism needs to coexist with non-constructive criticism. Lights cannot exist without dark. Okay, I guess. I disagree. I don't see why one shouldn't be able to express their criticism properly and in an educated way.  Let me see. Have you used the wallpaper engine plugin for QT? Can this happen for GNOME and other desktops? The wallpaper engine plugin, which one you're talking about? I know many wallpaper plugins. In general, I don't think that GNOME is going in the direction of adding more support for wallpaper plugins but as far as QT is go, yeah. Can you make a video about a QT developer try how to develop apps for GNOME? If I manage to, yeah. It's all about time. If I have enough time to do it, I would. Does Valve contribute to Plasma development since the Sim Deck uses it by default? As far as I know, yeah. As far as I know, yeah. They hired, okay, this is a difficult story to address but, yeah, as far as I know, yeah. Let's stop there. I'm not super expert. Let's see some messages that I lost in the way. But on Plasma, you can resize panels and bars and yeah, but it won't get as small as the GNOME bar. It won't go 120 pixels. Like it doesn't make sense to do that. So GNOME bar is as small as it can get, really. If you have the time, you should give NixOS a go. The packaging, there's a bug in, the packaging management is phenomenal. I don't know. There's like everybody saying that they got packaging right, but we'll see. If I have the time, interesting. Feature request, can we have an emergency mode for Plasma? Last day, I added the event calendar widget to my desktop and it made it go into a crash loop. Okay, there is an emergency mode for Plasma. If it crashes in theory, it should restart and maybe not Plasma, but K-Win for sure. If it crashes more than end times consecutively, it stops compositing. If something breaks, it's very hard. Like you can try to restart apps, but if it's broken, it's broken and it's a bit difficult, like such an emergency mode. It would be difficult to have such a thing if everything is broken, like Plasma crashes and stuff. So I don't know. There is something like that already, but it's just something. How is the Pinephone Pro? I haven't had the time to try it out yet. I will, but again, it's all about time. I know that Valbe is using another WM instead of K-Win. It would be cool to see an upstream club. What WM is it using? Can you send me a link about that? It's interesting. What is it, Queen FT, I guess? I don't know. Oh, come on, there's not enough questions. Ask something. I don't get enough messages. I know I lost some, but getting back to them. What happened to Floating Upload MergeQuest? I read that you canceled it due to bugs. No, no, no, I didn't. The Floating Upload MergeQuest will eventually come. I just need the time again to finish it off. Like right now my mind is, I need to finish off the rewrite of plasma panels. Then I need to finish off the merge request for Floating Panels. And then I need to finish off Floating Uploads. That's my answer. I'm also considering starting a little new project that I can't tell what that is before. You know, it's actually really. Hi, is there a plan to redesign to discover user interface? Yes, there is. There are many mockups in the Visual Design Group, so you can check them out. I think they're somewhere, I don't know where, but yes, we've got mockups, we've got good intentions, and hopefully, hopefully. Do you have any pets? If so, what's the name? Okay, so I have two pets, a dog and a cat. I'm not into pets. I don't like pets, but my brothers do. So, one is called Micho. The other is called Urine. Yeah, but I don't like them, sorry. Have you considered using Fedora to get the vanilla GNOME experience? No, and that's because, A, I wanted to try out the operating system that my computer was shipped with. This is Ubuntu, and so I am using Ubuntu. And secondly, I don't think that using a customized GNOME is a big issue. If you can get into the extensions list and just disable the one that you don't like, you get vanilla GNOME anyway. So yeah, I'm not against Fedora to be clear. I just used whatever was installed already. Is there any project about making Plasma backups? You should check out Plasma ConfigSaver. I'm guessing you're talking about configuration. If it's about backups, like the whole data you have, all the files, there is a project about that somewhere, which is K-Backup, apparently, or Cup, maybe. Something like this, either this or Plasma ConfigSaver depending on what you meant. Would you start contributing to GNOME too? I don't think so, but who knows? I think I'll just keep working on KDE. I have little enough time already to start another project. I would want to contribute to KDE too if I had the time. That's for sure. Where would the discoveries and mockups be found? You should go into the VDG chat and search for discover mockup, stuff like that. It's somewhere, I don't remember, sorry. Have you ever tried ARC? Yes, I've used it for a good year, but then I decided that Ubuntu was as good as I needed it to be, so yeah. Which GNOME feature should be in KDE and vice versa? The GNOME feature I would pick, of course, are just serious for touchpad. That's for sure. The one feature KDE as KDE Plasma has for GNOME, let me think, that it should have, tough one. I'm gonna go with something simple, which is a more, a better, let's say better, system tree. I think that the system tree of GNOME by default is a bit lacking, but there are plans to redesign it, and there are also plans to bring just source on KDE Plasma, so there's this work going both ways, which is cool. Balve is using GameScope instead of Kiwin on the Steam Deck. I feel fine that hard to believe in. What's GameScope? Session compositing. You know, I think what's happening is that this is probably used when you're inside of the actual console, when there's no KDE Plasma running, but when you connect to a monitor and you start the desktop version of KDE Plasma, and pretty sure it uses Kiwin. How can I contribute to KDE and Linux in general if I don't really know any good level programming right now, just started with the basics? You can still continue your learning experience, of course, but you can also contribute in non-technical ways, such as, I don't know, promotion, just to the side one, like writing articles, change logs, stuff like that. It doesn't require technical skills, but it's still needed, so that could be a way to join. What's your new computer? It's an XPS 139310 developer edition, so Ubuntu pre-installed. What do you think is the most innovative thing that KDE is doing right now? That KDE is doing something that KDE is doing of innovating. I mean, if you asked something that KDE has, well, I would surely answer the whole up-less idea, which is something that only KDE has, really, and is so cool. But that is something that is actually working on currently. I don't know, there's no great, like, revolution coming, but there's lots of refinement. Maybe Plasma Mobile, depending on how it ends. If it ends well and people start using it, then surely very innovating, but I don't know. I think that right now, KDE is in a refinement phase, which is correct, in my opinion.  Improve the documentation, yes, that's a start. That's a possibility. If you go into the Get Involved page, there's lots of stuff. Issue reporting, bug-trying, translation, design, documentation, user support, promotion, web design, accessibility, management, lots of stuff you can do, even if you don't know how to code. There was an announcement to revive the Oxygen Plasma theme, perhaps around last year or so, but heard nothing since, no anything. So it wasn't actually from KDE, I mean, maybe it was from KDE, but it was from, like, the Oxygen Original Designer came back and tried to do something. It was never, like, meant, something meant to replace Breeze, but it was nonetheless a very interesting project. I haven't heard anything about that either, but let's check Instagram. Usually, the updates of that person are on Instagram, so yes, please let me login. What was it again, Vegero? Let me see if I can remember my own password. Oh, yes, that's me. No, actually, it's the wrong one. No, maybe it's right. Hello? Okay, this is me. Let me search for this one. So, let me see, this is the latest post. Not about Oxygen. This one had to change the colors to red as all the blue icons become sparring. This is from 28 weeks ago, so okay, a bit of time ago. This icon is from 28 weeks ago. Okay, it looks like the last update is from 28 weeks ago. Now we know. What's your preferred show? As in Bash, ZSH Fish. Right now I'm using Bash, but it's not because I prefer it, it's just I haven't tried out the alternatives. Bash is good enough for me right now. Maybe I will try something different in the future, but right now I don't feel the need to. How long have you been using KD? How long? One, two, what, let me try to, it was, I started using it when I went into the vacations in Croatia. And that was when I actually had, it was years ago. AT is at least one, two, three, four, five, six years ago at least, five maybe? Five, six years ago. What's your GNOME App Store experience? I've never used GNOME App Store, I just use the terminal. Sorry. How long have you been KD developer? One, two, three, four years. Three and a half, three and a half years, yeah. Almost four. Which distro do you use for KDE? And also in one of your video, so widget showing power usage on the taskbar, okay. For KDE I use Neon because I need to develop, but if you're not a developer, maybe you shouldn't use Neon, that's up to you. And the widget was Power Monitor, to actually, it's called Power Monitor, you can find it in the store. So what else, what else? Why did this trim last more than nine seconds because I finally got the setup right? Yeah, sorry, I keep doing like nine seconds streams because I mess up, but this time it works. Let's get married. And I'm afraid I'll have to refuse this one, I'm sorry because I'm already promised another goal, so do you get paid for being a KD developer or a completely voluntary? It's completely voluntary actually. And the only way I receive money is by donations to this channel. So if you feel like giving me a donation, there's links on all of my videos except this one. You can go into Patreon and search for Nikolaove or Vigero, you should find me. So yeah, I'm completely a volunteer as far as KD goes. What's the biggest element KD should get inspired from GNOME? Apart from gestures, which I've mentioned already way too much times, I would say having a good workflow that is clear to the user and making sure that everything works for that certain workflow. A lot of people hate on GNOME saying that they make the user use their workflow. That's not really the point though. GNOME has this workflow and it's a workflow. If you don't like it, all you don't have to use GNOME. GNOME is made for this particular workflow. And because of that, GNOME is optimized for it and really works nicely. If you don't like it, there are other projects you can use. So yeah. Why do you think that JTK desktop don't support KD app theming like KD does JTK themes? KD is the best for theming JTK apps. JTK desktop don't support KD themes. It's because KD, Plasma and GNOME have completely different philosophies. Again, the GNOME philosophy revolves more around GNOME that compared to KD philosophy rotates around KD Plasma. KD Plasma tries to make sure that even third-party apps are consistent as a goal. GNOME doesn't have that goal. It's a different philosophy. Personally, I would prefer if they did try, but I understand their point. But personally, I would suggest them to improve the support for KD applications, yeah. I do not have a Twitch channel. Should I have one? I honestly like the YouTube one. I don't see why to move all the people to another platform. I'm not that big, so I need to build up on what I already have. I would probably do much less views in Twitch. Have you looked at how the GNOME 42 application are doing? Not yet. I decided to be a user. I'm using GNOME as a user, not as a developer, so I'm not trying out the very latest stuff. That's a choice I did. How many times it requires to KD to reach elementary OS just level? I don't know. I don't know. Nobody knows. Depends on, I mean, if you want to pay for it, well, then I'm sure we could do it in less than a couple of months. But you would have to pay for a full-time developer, maybe two, so yeah. That's up to you. Stream on both, but that would separate the user base. I like comments and I wouldn't be able to catch up on comments on both YouTube and Twitch. How to learn KD development so I can contribute to KDE? You can. QT development, just start contributing to KDE and you will learn QT. That's what I did. I think it works better. QM all is pretty easy. You start off with that and then you slowly get into QT ends. Then how much does it cost to marry you? I'm sorry, but I told you, I'm already promised another. So I'm sorry, there's no amount of money that would change my mind. I've tried Linux in a virtual machine. It's not as easy as Windows. Could be, depends on what you use. If you use GNOME to say that it's not as easy as Windows, it would feel weird to me. I think it is as easy. KDE Plasma, I could see the point of people saying it's more complex, but by default, it's usable, more than usable. I don't think that Windows is significantly simpler compared to either. Can you move your chat window up a bit? Yes, sorry. I forgot that I have a tall monitor. This works better, right? Sorry. Why not QtFishDE? I've done a video called Stop Recommending QtFish Desktop. You can see that one. Long story short, it's not really. Just like my wish-all. Cool idea, not really. Is there an easy way to get the GNOME workflow while using Plasma? Wait, Prince Cooper. Okay, I've seen your comment. Calm down. I've just seen now that you posted it like 10 times. Wait, I was saying. Is there an easy way to get the GNOME workflow while using Plasma? An easy way, I mean, you have to install some extensions, do a bit of changing the panels. I wouldn't say, I would say there's no easy way, but it's surely possible if you want to put some effort in that. You can move panel to the top. Remove task manager, center aligned clock. I installed the extension to add the virtual desktops when one is busy. Remove the minimize button. I don't know what else. Any laptop manufacturers who's going to consider Linux with Plasma in the future, like KDE Slimbook, laptop, probably the pine books are using KDE Plasma by default. Except for that, I don't know of any right now, but you can use KDE Plasma on many, we should have like this info on our webpage. Buy a device with Plasma. Okay, there's the pine phone, there's the Slimbook, and then there's the Kubuntu focus M2, right? There's the Pinebook Pro, and the Slimbook, you can customize it so that there's KDE Plasma, Starlabs, Duxedo, yeah. Switch to Manjaro KDE for one month. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm using Ubuntu GNOME because that's the default. The experience wouldn't change significantly, so that's what I'm going to stick with. How is Angelfish, Unclefish going? I haven't followed the development. It's probably not really yet for being a full-fledged desktop app, but I mean, it's being developed, so that's good news. How is JTK compared to Qt in your opinion? JTK is different. It doesn't have the same ambitions of Qt. Qt is meant to be like multi-platforms, work well everywhere, and to be used for both open source and commercial projects. JTK is different. It doesn't try to achieve that. What else, what else? What else, what else? You should use Fedora if you want to experience GNOME as planned by the developers. Or I can just use Ubuntu and turn off the extensions. Look, this is GNOME, and if this isn't GNOME, it's because I wanted it to change. I've chosen my extensions, and this is as vanilla as it gets, of course, with some changes because I have installed some extensions. No need to shame Ubuntu.  I'm just trying to read a lot of messages, and it's not easy to catch up. What else, what else? I would really like to see an animated series or a visual novel centered on Konkik and Alf and kitty characters. Can we have one place? If you know any artist that's interested in working on one, why not? But we actually need some artists to do it. Is there a way of making KD apps with Rust? Yes, as an example, there is one KD app that uses Rust and this is called Icona. Let me show you. KD, Invent Icona. Rust, check it out. What do you think of the performance of GNOME compared to KD? My impression is that right now, GNOME is less performant compared to KD. That's my impression. I do think that it sometimes skips frame, especially on this animation here when Plasma wouldn't. But I remember the first time I tried Linux. My first desktop was Unity, but I didn't like it, so I switched to GNOME. GNOME was my second desktop, but it actually lost too many frames on my computer and that's the reason I switched to Plasma. Seriously, I switched to Plasma because of performance. But since then, GNOME has improved a lot. I just think that Plasma has also improved than this currently leading this imaginary speed tournament. Your opinion on ASAHI Linux Foundation trying to bring Linux to Mac M1? Let's hope they manage to. What can I say? That's a cool thing to ask for. Have you ever tried using Cinnamon? No, never, it's not the kind of desktop that I would like personally. So yeah, I prefer to stick to, I don't know, KD Plasma, GNOME, maybe Elementorio OS, maybe Zorion OS, those kind of things. How is the panel project treating you? Not well at all, I'm going crazy. You should see me when I'm talking to the other KD developers when I'm developing the Plasma panel. I'm just going crazy. It's mad. When is the last time you've used Windows or Mac? Last time I tried, I used seriously Windows or Mac is when I, you know, just before I stopped using that man switch to Linux, which was around six years ago, as I said before. You might be losing some frameworks because of my BlurMesh extension, could be. That could be, it would be a bit weirded out because the blur is actually not applied live. It's a static image of the background blurred. So in theory, it shouldn't have any significant performance impact, but you never know. KD Connect for iOS, it's almost there. I think it's better already and you can try it out. Why pinch the Zoom gesture not available in KD? Because it's complex to implement given QTE current state. I think that there's a lot of work going in that direction. Hopefully soon we'll have it, but will there be a floating panel in KD6? Sooner, sooner than KD6. Watch my video about KD6, please. How to make tuner transparent on KD, give up. I don't know of any way that would make tuner transparent. QTE has good bindings, mainly with C++ and Python. Yeah, you also showed a QTE app using Rust. Why there are a few languages spending with the Q compared to JDK? JDK is also getting Kotlin binding pretty soon. I don't know, you're asking me too much, but QTE has bindings for C++, Python, Rust, and I don't know whatever other people implement. My point is I don't mind GNOME as a project, but I'm against them for a few prominent people from Foundation-attacked Stallman for turning to FSF. Well, you're not going to like KDE either, because I mean, the statement from KDE was pretty made sense, but I am going personally to say that I was also extremely unhappy with the decision of letting Stallman back in. I was extremely unhappy. Stallman behavior is not acceptable in the context of being a significant representative of the Free Software Foundation. Your top five distros. Top five distros, Ubuntu, Neon, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Manjaro. Manjaro is a bit controversial, after all, it's there, it's good, so I don't know. Is there any Jester Touchpad support for KDE? Not, there's no good Jester support. Hopefully it's coming, so hopefully. Can you use KDE completely without the mouse? Well, we try to make sure it's possible. It's probably possible. You should, I could do a video about that, you know what? I will do a video about that. I will talk about it. What's the version of GNOME you're using? 40, I'm using GNOME 40. Where are you from? Italy, I'm from Italy. I'm sorry, Nicky Leake, I talk about QT and you know what it is. QT is the framework that KDE uses to actually paint anything on the screen and much more, but basically it paints stuff on the screen. You can say, draw me a button and QT actually draws the button and another couple of things. Let's not get into details, but the idea is that QT is not made by KDE, it's a different company and it's actually a commercial company and KDE uses that product to actually, you know, draw things on the screen. Is there a chance you will develop for GNOME? I don't think so because of time reasons, but who knows? Probably not, but who knows? What's your opinion on Deepin? Deepin, I've done and tried video about it. If you're interested in my opinions, you can search for Nicola Deepin, King of design video. It has some significant flows. Out of all the desktops I tried, Deepin had the most significant flows, so check it out. Did you wipe out your previous non-installation? No, it's still on the other computer in my, like, there's a place where I keep all the computers. I'm a Japanese student and sometimes it's difficult to set up Asian input, sorry for my English input methods on KDE, except on Manjaro, that has Asian support package. Can it be improved in the future? Unluckily, I'm not at all an expert on these things. Accessibility in general, this I'm pretty sure is with an accessibility, should be improved. I don't know if it's something that KDE, this particular thing is something that falls underneath KDE competence. If so, open a bug request. That's unlikely, the best I can offer you, sorry. I'm Italian, yes, from Genoa, Genova in Italian. What else, sorry, have you ever used a tiling window manager? No, I don't like tiling window managers. I've used tiling within KDE, but tiling window managers now, too much. What's your opinion on QtFishOS? An interesting project, but it's not really yet and we'll have to see how it develops. Right now, I don't see any reason to actually use it as a main desktop for now, because it's not really. I'm losing my voice, sorry. What is better, GNOME on Qt or KDE on JDK? What does that mean? GNOME on Qt, I mean, I can answer the opposite. Is it better Qt on GNOME or JDK on KDE? I can safely say that JDK on KDE works better than Qt on GNOME, because KDE supports, sorry, KDE supports JDK themes better. Speaking about Qt, do you think it unfairly gets a bad reputation? Right now, yes. Maybe in the future that will change, but right now there's no significant reason to be worried about them. They're trying to make money. They're trying to pay their developers. I can understand that. Right now, there's a working group dedicated to relationships within KDE and Qt, and they're releasing all of the versions as open source, so yeah, all good. What's your experience with Plasma Mobile? Well, the issue there is that I love, I just love Android. I really like Android. I think it's a great or operative system, but so it's a bit tough for me to use Plasma Mobile as a mainly driver. Still, sooner or later, I will try it out. What's this? Never heard of this project. I don't know what it does, honestly. The webpage is slightly confusing. Hi, Italians. Okay, interesting. I should not, I don't know. Is Qt bloated? No, it's not. Qt is fantastic. Qt company just makes world decisions. It's a way to boot it, yeah. You could work on Qt support on GNOME. Well, for that to happen, I would need to know GNOME a bit better, I guess, but also GNOME developers would want me to work on Qt support on GNOME, obviously, because if GNOME thinks that supporting Qt themes or on GNOME is not a feature they are interested in, or then it doesn't make sense to actually try to implement it. Wow, the buttons doesn't do anything. Thank you. I guess. Why using Google Chrome? I'm using Google Chrome. I usually use Firefox, sorry. This time I'm just using Google Chrome because I don't even remember. Habit, I guess. Like sometimes open Chrome, sometimes Firefox. Most of the time I'm using Firefox. I prefer Firefox, obviously. Have you ever used a browser? Yes. If any big company like Microsoft to acquire Qt community, would you be okay with it? That would never happen. That would never happen. I can safely tell you that. Qt is meant to be independent. I wouldn't be okay personally, but there's no way it could happen. You can be sure of that. Panels on Qt Wayland are super buggy. I'm working on rewriting everything, so I know I'm working on it. Why do you think of open source? It's good, we should do it more. Please don't ban me. I'm just joking. You're lucky that the button doesn't work. You're lucky that the button doesn't work. Nah, just kidding, but yeah. Have you ever played SuperTooks? I'm translating into English the Italian question, so please use English. Yes, I've used SuperTooks. As a child, it was one of the games I played a lot and it was really funny. I liked SuperTooks, but it's been years. I was a kid when I used SuperTooks. What else, what else, what else? I didn't know there was a controversy between Manjaro and KD. What is the controversy? Manjaro does a lot of things wrong, sadly. Basically, as a start, there's all of the controversy between our crew repos being used from Manjaro and then Manjaro also does a lot of things with money and the money that Manjaro gets are not really clear. It's not really clear where they go. They don't go to work. And sometimes there's some scandal about people buying personal things with the money, which shouldn't happen in theory. So they also messed up in the past like the certificate, something. So those kind of things. What games do you play? What games do I play? Marin, not Marin, sorry. Mist to Riven. I play this game, so cool, recommended. One of the coolest games, it's very old, but you can find it on SteamOS, Steam. I also play a lot of Kerbal Spice program. Also a very cool game. I spent probably my childhood on Kerbal Spice program, but I also love, what's the name again? Give story. And I don't know, probably much more stuff that I'm forgetting about. Is there any Keran or YouTuber like you? Not that I know of. Keran is a bit specific for being a YouTuber about Keran, but not that I know of. Hi for Kerbal Spice program too. Yeah, let's hope they finish it early. Play chess, I'm sorry. Yes, I play chess, a lot of it. I'm only chess. My username is Nicolov, my password is kat123. And I play a lot of chess. By the way, are you playing right now? Carson, are you winning? No, that draw right now, okay. I do play chess, so if you want to challenge me, name is Nicolov. If you do it right now, I can play live, but let's answer questions first. Is there any breeze launcher or a theme for Android? Nope, sorry, nothing like that. Chess stream when? Well, I did one video about chess and nobody watched it, so almost nobody. So that's on you. If you watched more of my chess content, I would do more chess videos. Why is the Covantum Manager not integrated into system settings? Because Covantum is a third-party project that doesn't try to integrate into settings and that acts a lot of things, so yeah. Do you like Bill Gates? Cool guy. What do you think about the new system 76 desktop? Well, until we don't see it, there's not what I can see. When it's actually there, then we can talk about it. No, the challenge disappeared. Somebody had challenged me, but now it's gone. Sad. A chess stream is much more fun than a chess video. Maybe one day I'll do a chess stream if somebody challenged me, I can try, but baby Vogue seemed to make fun of everything equally. No, baby Vogue makes fun of Plasma much more. Let's try. Come on. If you all disappear right now, I'm gonna be a bit disappointed. Really? Really? I choose an opening, I don't know. That was a terrible idea. Oh yeah, right. Let's go here. I'm already probably like minus one and totally minus one, at least. Nice, I messed up. Night here, night here. The queen there. Can I defend that piece? I'm cussing a check, okay, it's probably fine. It's much more stable to have, but then it could try to hit me with a pawn. See, I saw that. And now that is trouble. I need to take the knight, otherwise I would be dead lost. I'm probably dead lost already. I'm totally dead lost. Okay, I messed up. Just down upon the, let me see. The pawn is hanging. I don't think I'll get the time to actually catch it though. Let me see. Are you all going away? Four challenges, that's a bit too much for me, but we can do more chess later. Okay, queen back. Defending the pawn. How do I attack now? Well, first of all this, I need to take control of the file. Then that's good. Should I attack the pawn? Probably not. The bishop is a bit loose. My movement is really restricted. I'm in a horrible situation. Let's open things up. Stream sniping is a thing, right? So I can't see what my plan is. Did I just hang that pawn? I did. Then I actually hanged you. That's pretty bad. Oops. Sorry about that. I will get back to kitty, talking about kitty after this game, so don't go away. I'm gonna talk about kitty in less than six minutes. So if you want to still watch my kitty games, kitty stuff, wait for six minutes and then come back. It can't take the pawn though. Okay, let's get rid of this immediately. Oh, but he messed up. He hanged the pawn, right? I should probably take it. I give him a pass pawn though, but I'm so claustrophobic otherwise. Maybe if I attack both pieces, why not? If nothing is hanging, why not? I'm just one pawn down. Okay, what now? What's the plan? Take the pawn? No, attack my knight. No, that makes sense though. And also protects the bishop. Should I fork? If I do that, and he does that, and I do that, it's probably a mis, I know it's a complete mistake, sorry. That, that, that, yeah. Let's go back. And then he takes the pawn, right? What else would he be looking for? It still lacks a pass pawn, so okay. I'm a, I'm a fascist then. If you give me a free pawn, I'm gonna take it. You have to take back, right? No, you haven't. No, you haven't actually. And this is a bit of an issue, isn't it? I can go, or should I go? What if the, whoa, I have this. Wait a second, I have this. He messed up, right? That's a strong move, it should be. Now if he takes, I take with check, so I'm up. I forgot about that, but now I can just escape, right? I'm up a knight. Down two pawns, but up a knight. When I trade queens, do you want to trade queens? Ah, but he wins material. He wins bad quality. Oops. Oops.  Who is he playing with? Yeah, it's a completely random person. One minute, we need to speed up a bit. Okay. I'm not that lost. I'm trying to repeat myself that. Yes, should I go forward or backwards? There, my poor, poor here. And then if needed, I can protect upon with a rook. If he leaves the file then, yeah, lacking a rook is annoying, yeah. I figured they would play that. It's very annoying to not have. Is he gonna go down with the other rook too? He could. He could also hang the pawn. Please give me another pawn. Oh, he did. He did. That's hanging, right? No, it's actually not. It's actually not. It's actually not hanging. I can't take it. Inconvenient. Mildly inconvenient. Let's go back. Now I can actually close the file for good. One of them at least. By doing it like this. Okay. Now I'm happier. No, actually I might have just messed up. I did. Oops. Sorry. I didn't mean to. What now? I mean, what can I do really? I need to take the pawn at least. What about... Take it. Take it. It's yours. Now I'm in serious trouble. Serious trouble. Extremely serious. No, this is completely lost. Completely lost. I tried. I tried. Let's go back to KD. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I messed up so badly. But there was a PSAP, so yeah. Do you have any KD questions? You need to stream chess every week. What do you actually watch it though? Are you interested in chess? What's the time? 16, what's the time? So I just played one hour into the stream. I can check the analytics to see if people logged out. Logged out during this. Hello. Have you seen how Lib Advaita works nowadays? Not really though. I haven't followed much the question, especially because it's a GNOME thing. Being a KD developer, not always I'm in the mood for following everything that GNOME does. It's a bit weird what they did. A bit weird. Maybe I don't fully agree with it, but maybe I just don't understand it. So I should investigate more. Winner, show yourself in the chat. Yes, please. Who did I just lost to? Was it Tritid? It wasn't, right? Yeah, it wasn't. I didn't lose any point. I'm interested in watching chess streams. Thank you. You're going to get a Steam Deck? Probably not because of money. If I receive a lot of donations and add revenue from this channel, I might be buying one, so just to review it. But with my current earnings, I just can't afford it. That's as easy as that. When we'll get an auto-rotate feature for our KD for two-in-one laptops? Yeah, I will lack that feature. I think it's actually there already. You have to manually enable it. Sorry, we do have that feature. You need to go into screen settings and then do auto-rotate even if you're not into tablet mode. That's what you should do. As a beginner with GNOME, do you think Blur should be a part of the default user experience? Yes, I do think that Blur should be a part of the default user experience, but it should be well done. It's not easy to do Blur well. I think that BlurMeshall does it correctly because it doesn't do any live blurring, so it's not any performance issue. But it's also pretty. It doesn't get in the way. It's a good way to do it. Personally, I would implement BlurMeshall in GNOME by default. That's my take on it. I understand that GNOME developers disagree. KD distraught dev here. I love and breathe KD for life. I have my own distraught. So when will open as root a mid-public? Probably in the next framework release. I don't remember the exact day, but check out for the next framework release. Thanks, I'm the maintainer. Oh, happy to have it have you here. Good job. I like it. I'm very happy with it. Can Blur be possible with just one of two layers? I'm not sure what you mean. Blur is always possible. It's just a matter of how you do it. What's your thoughts on LXQT? I wouldn't personally use it. It's not my kind of things, but maybe other people like it. I don't know. Never use that. GNOME devs thinks it's bad for contrast. There was a discussion. It could be. Personally, I disagree, but contrast is a fear point. There's a lot of discuss and I'm not a GNOME developer, so it's up to them. We in KD do use a bit of blur by default. I think it's a nice touch. Blur my shell is so great. Yeah, indeed. I'm going to do a bit more stream, but I need to do a small pose because it's as simple as I need to go to the bathroom. Bathroom break. Back in two minutes. I'll be back. Just give me a couple of minutes. I'm back. Bathroom live. No, you won't get a bathroom live. Sound left on. Yes, but there's nobody in here. Two minutes. Yes, I'm done. I'm back. So why is he using GNOME? Well, why not? I wanted to try out. I was challenged to try it out, actually. My bathroom is literally in another house. So, yeah. When will Angelfish browser come to the desktop? If you mean by default, probably never, because Firefox is really good and it's what most people want. You can use Angelfish, Angelfish already on the desktop. So, there's that. How did you get that nice blur effect? How did you get that nice blur effect on the top panel? BlurMeshal extension. Go get the blurMeshal BlurMeshal extension. Are you using the default AdWidth theme? I'm using a theme? I don't know which one. You tell me. Which theme is this? I don't know. Not a GNOME expert. Do you use GNOME to develop KDE? No, I actually use KDE to develop KDE. Even these days, when I have to do some KDE development work, I still switch to my KDE plasma session because otherwise I wouldn't even be able to test changes. So, yeah. Why do GNOME devs frown using extensions? Do they? They have a nice store with all of the extensions, so I don't think they frowned upon using them. Ubuntu theme is called YARU. Yes, I'm probably using YARU. I can change it later. Don't know. Yeah, it's Ubuntu. That's because Ubuntu was the default I'm using Ubuntu because it was the default computer. I made an Italian copypasta about GNOME. Can I post it somewhere without getting banned? I don't know. I'm not banning anyone. You can try sending it to me. I don't know. I'm sadly unable to ban anyone, even if I wanted to, so yeah. Where to get Anglefish browser desktop version? I can't find it. You build Anglefish or you build it from source and then it should be by default desktop version when you're using it on a desktop. How's battery life? Pretty good, actually. I use it with top brightness all the time. It's not that long, but it's because of me. With a decent amount of brightness, this one is what most laptops have. It probably goes for 10 to 12 hours, which I think is good. So yeah. Do you have Discord? Yes, but I don't use it much. Almost nothing. I didn't even log in here. Are you planning on developing for GNOME as well? Sadly, not right now, simply because of tiny reasons. I would like to, but it's very difficult to do all of the videos in my channel and also develop for KDE. And I actually also have a page for poetry, Italian poetry, and I also need to write poetry. That takes a lot of time. Did System 76 gift you the laptop? No, it's a Dell XPS, so I wasn't gifted by anyone. Yep. The Just Perfection extension. Let's google it. Why not? I like the idea of learning but new extensions. GNOME. What does it do? Lot of stuff. So you can like disable your elements. That's cool. I will try it out later on. Burn my window is a bit more than what I like. It's very excessive for me. There was a hype about mouse delay improvements on GNOME. Does KDE have similar problems? Not that I'm aware of. I've never heard about KDE mouse delay issues. What's your opinion on having major apps having both KDE and JTK implementation rather than supporting each other? I think it's cool that if you're able to have multiple front-ends because that would mean that your app will be consistent with a theme regardless of where it's used. It's a significant additional burden in terms of actually developing it up. But if you're able to I think it's cool. Yeah, burn my window. I'm a bit of a more simple person, let's say. The compass days. What are your thoughts on matrix? I don't use it much. It seems to me like a good project. Sorry. Yeah. It's... I use it for KDE stuff mostly. Can you share the link of the wallpaper? Okay. A lot of people ask me. You go into Google and you search for ParkourRosso Wallpaper ParkourRosso And then one of the very first results is this one and then you go into here and you download it. This is Fio from ParkourRosso. Now you know. Go see the film. It's more compatible between desktops. Tough one. Tough one. Because there's no clear way. Sadly. I would like that we try it as a Linux community to focus more on these things. But sadly this is not the case. If you want to do something that's more related to plasma, then you should use like Kurogami or QML, QT. If it's for like GNOME, it depends on what you're building for sadly. Any advice for starting developers?  Like if you're debugging something and to debug that you start writing print everywhere in the code with stop it like print hello print stuff it's normal.  Because sometimes, most of the time they aren't. Can you talk some Italian for me please? I'll just say a poem. An Italian poem I wrote. In Italian it almost doesn't make any sense in Italian. But it's actually Italian. That was Italian. An Italian poem. What do you think of snaps? I don't fully agree with the idea of snaps. Italian rap, yeah. Because I don't know. I don't like the server side to be as close as it is. So not a fan. Rap is poetry. Like I've got other poems that are more poems than rap but rap is a form of poetry. I would like to be a rapper one day but I mostly write poetry. And poetry is a larger superset of rap. There's rap. There's poetry which is larger. And I do some things that seem to be rap like that. But I also do things that are poetry and not rap. It all depends on how marked you followed a beat. If you think about now the question is how many accents do you make that fall on a repetitive beat? And if that keeps on changing over time then it's more about poetry. But if it's stable because I play, because I play I mean I play, because I have it if it's stable then it's not very poetry. It sounds like rap. Would you mind sharing your Spotify? I don't have a Spotify. I just right now my poems are on Tiktok What's the link even? tiktok.com slash Nicolove Is that how they do things? Log in. It's me. It's me. It's Google. Log in with Google, please. Sorry, I know this is completely off topic compared to profile. Compared to KDE, but this is me and I do more than just. It's actually tiktok.com slash at Nicolove's poetry and there's my poems. Like that. Chameso. What else? I like the minimalism of GNOME, but sometimes it's too minimal. Well, the issue is that it's so hard to actually get minimalism right for everyone because all of all people have a different idea. Each person has a different idea of what minimalism is. I would personally say that for my minimalism being able to rearrange desktops in here is necessary. Other people would disagree. At the end, you need to make a decision and if you decide to be minimalistic about your features you will disappoint someone. That's for sure. That's for granted. Even if you're like KDE and you remove one feature that surely nobody's using somebody will come up and scream to you. That's normal. So if minimalism... Sorry. GNOME is minimalistic with features and it is, then people will be disappointed. That's a given. It's not necessarily like a bad idea. Could you rap about me? Actually, the process of writing rap takes a lot of time.  A lot of time. You can just improvise. I should make hip-hop tracks. I want to. That's my end goal. But it's hard because I've grown up writing poetry. I love rap. I would like to start rapping but I'm more used to poetry and the ideas behind poetry so it's difficult to switch from one to another. That said I will surely try. Whenever I hear a cool beat my first instinct is sing something of it. It's called freestyle. Yeah. A lot of freestyle that you see on YouTube coming from big rappers is not actually freestyle. It's other just straight up written before like Tedra, an Italian singer did this song called freestyle. It's not freestyle. It's clearly written before. Sometimes if you're a rapper and you come from certain environments and you write a lot of rap then you're used to rhyme because you've already written a lot of rhyming and then you already know which words rhymes with each so it's easier to but all of that requires some advanced work than before and you're actually able to improvise. Surely you can improvise but it's not going to sound any good if you don't have a serious experience of doing like a preparing work before and if you go see freestyle competitions the first minute is good and then so bad. Same flow, same rhymes most of the times they're not even rhymes they're like asonance. It's not a thing you can just do and expect the result to be good in my opinion. You have to sit down, prepare yourself and then you do it. Even like Eminem did this freestyle thing also talking against Trump I do not believe like I can't believe it from Eminem because it's Eminem and he only does his right rhymes if it was anyone else that's not something you can achieve easily at all. Do you publish your poems in written form? So if you're interested in my poems in written forms you go into my website and you go into the poetry section which is this one and there's a lot of poems. To be honest I'm pretty bad with choosing which poem to show on my page. There's also Niccolò.venerandi as said Niccolò.venerandi.com sorry and then you go into poetry and then there's you take I don't know the last one non sono pesino the first one and then you actually have a pdf this is from one year ago about er yeah the here is where I put my poems but it's not very updated I will update it sooner or later. Can you compare KD to GNOME? It's completely different it has different philosophies so the general idea of KD Plasma is the desktop trying to actively help you in what you're doing so if you don't like something then the desktop should like step up and try to be better to actually improve your workflow as much as possible whereas GNOME tries to get out of the way and let you be productive there are completely different mindsets and they generate different things so sometimes people using GNOME they have this feeling that GNOME is trying to get away from them like things that they want to do are not implemented because the workflow is different because GNOME wants to get out of the way and let the user be productive but if the user isn't used to it that will feel weird to him just like if the user is used to the desktop staying out of the way in Plasma sometimes it's gonna be weird because I don't know like first startup the Plasma actually asks you to install Plasma integration for a good reason but some people might be annoyed from that different mindsets I'm not the maintainer of KDE Connect no no no but yeah I don't know right now who's developing the KDE Connect app but somebody was actually working on improving it so just wanna say that the website is dopefaf, thank you I worked months to actually implement it it took me quite a while it even has dark mode and then you just like now it's broken because Chrome also has dark mode but in theory it should work like if you take a random browser it works what's your opinion on smartwatches do you think that KDE will have something like KDE Connect but for smartwatches if there's more Linux smartwatches around yes personally I would use like if I had to get a watch I would get an analog one the only reason why I would get a smartwatch is A sleep I need to know how much I sleep and how good I sleep so that would be useful info that could be collected by a smartwatch but also payments like being able to do this and pay that would be so cool currently I use my phone so yeah the smartwatch linux environment is more right now there aren't many linux smartwatches if there were more probably there would be something like KDE Connect for smartwatches more chess five minutes and I'll get more chess okay because I mean five minutes and I would stop the live anyway because it's more than one hour and 15 minutes but I'll do some chess demanding it I've used g-comprix yes I know it's a KDE project of course I know it's a KDE project you don't have to tell me just kidding I've used it I've used the typing thingy to check if I was fast enough and I was sadly there's no grown up difficulty level I wish there were there was and I've actually made a multiplication table it's a nice app very nice do you think GNOME top bar is too minimal in regards to what Plasma offers with latte and regular doc there are two different things latte is the complete extreme I heard something doing popo did I receive messages sorry latte is like one extreme because everything everything you could ever think of on the other hand on the other hand GNOME is minimal I don't think it's too minimal it's GNOME I don't know how to say it I would like for I don't know a couple of more buttons but overall it it works with the workflow that GNOME has the top bar makes sense can you write a poem with code that's interesting and yes I've done it in the past I've actually done a python script where all the parables names rhyme ah that's my phone yes that's my phone sorry I kept hearing this noise my phone is two hours since I started recording can you write a poem yes I did at this point where I was rhyming words with the keywords of the python language but there's also like a book which is called poetry code which does that cool stuff what do you think of GNOME's after RAM leak not being fixed for years when you have something like a RAM leak that isn't fixed for years it means that it's very hard to fix because when people say it seems like they don't want to fix it which is obviously not the case if you've got a RAM leak then you really want to fix it and if you don't well that's because it's hard and honestly I never had any sorry any issue really with memory especially because I switched to a 16 gigs laptop I guess but I don't know I've never heard leaks how did your accent go so I did a couple of them the first one was okay 29 out of 30 second one 21 but it also like I can do an oral tomorrow the day after tomorrow and hopefully I will bring the score up a bit that RAM leak is damn annoying I know but RAM leaks are always annoying especially if you can easily reproduce them I'm not a GNOME developer I don't know how much KD developers use instrumentation like Valgrind or Azan Ubsan to find bugs in KD I ever let me actually google that word sorry let me see I never saw people using either but maybe it's out of my you know group of I don't know all developers I know some of them and the one I knew never talked about these two but so maybe not but I don't know what do you think about Qtfish I've done a video about that it's called don't stop recommending Qtfish go watch it can you post the link where I can build Angelfish from go into this page development out you follow all the steps and then when it's applications instead of putting dolphin ear you put Angelfish what time is it that's it for KDE if there's any there's challenges yes so I do a bit of chess and then that's it let's go if you watched all only for KDE stuff then you can go now the Scandinavian you know about the Scandinavian usually people try to defend with the horsey and the mess up okay this is standard this is not standard I think I have to take right then you take back and then what was it again let's take it when in doubt you take and I'm safe I'm out of the opening and I didn't hang anything let's activate the pieces okay my queen is not going there let's open up this I know I probably shouldn't last time I even hung this piece but if I don't hang this pawn then never mind never mind that's pretty bad I need to take not to lose the knight as well server that I didn't see the rook he's up a pawn but it shouldn't be that bad though yeah I'm back to chess now I'll just do a bit of chess and then go finish the stream I hope this was interesting by the way you're not seeing the chess board because of my face right let me make myself smaller mildly annoying should I trade no I shouldn't you're not getting a trade here and taking the open fire you really want me to trade but I'm not doing it this doesn't look good this is so passive very passive very bad I need to get my bishop out of there I should have moved the other pawn got a bishop on each no what is it AE7 instead of there oh no the other rook let's close this file with tempo really? I just can take it right? maybe you can fork now that's it I take it okay rook up we defend we go for the win I meant we go for the win we don't defend and we do that by trading pieces I'm still very passive okay take this I didn't I shouldn't take that now it's a mess now it's complete mess now it's completely a mess let's go for now it's seriously tough I might lose a lot of pawns now go get the pawns let's see if you survive the pawn hunting let's see what do you do you move the king what do you do now what's the plan you have to move the king right? yes you moved the king and now I'm lost now I'm very lost should I which one I should at least try to keep this one at least oh you're giving me tempo I might do this then what now oh now I'm actually threatening something okay what an active king you have would be a shame if you if I don't know you hang the rook you gave me a free rook I still managed to mess up so 20 seconds okay let's go fetch some pawns oops that was not intended at least I get a couple of them what are you doing what's the idea seems wrong another free pawn and now I can actually protect this now I can't but I can still do this and now I do this this this this now I'm happy okay maybe not what do I do this is so bad right I messed up let's go for the draw this looks drawish I shouldn't have allowed that or that or that draw by repetition okay cool one bullet let's do a quick bullet can you handle my before opening come on okay interesting okay very interesting actually this one okay yes hanging the bishop is part of the opening sounds weird but it's actually the truth and now I hang the this too but it didn't notice so it's fine actually I messed up badly this is so bad revert go back complete mess pretty bad what can I say that was terrible of me terrible I'm so bad at bullet I like so bad what no you're not supposed to take with the queen I think I think sure it's a good diagonal word to keep your queen but now I'm gonna castle now I'm gonna castle is that a free pawn or what what's the point still free why not let's take it hi how can I not see the queen come on sorry I play good sometimes so you do this check let's try this yeah blocking with a piece I don't think was a good idea because the pawn at this point is pretty hard to stop you can try to create some other troubles but yeah this is nothing is it I mean you take back with the bishop and then it's nothing really I'm out of danger you don't even take back with the bishop okay it's cold here let's put some pressure here probably a good time to castle if I were you but your choice good choice let's take the bishop oops I shouldn't take the bishop nah sounds fine yeah looks fine does it though wait is this checkmate no can't be seriously this is checkmate unstoppable checkmate good one good one I totally didn't see this this is not rated right go ahead good one no sorry I'm not taking rated matches just because I don't feel like losing points today I'm not playing correctly as you can see I haven't won a single one I couldn't suck the queen like Scandinavian at least this is my repertoire what's your rating lower okay let's go for the suck another pawn variant how many people are watching me this moment can you chat tell me thank you for the games can you chat to tell me how many people are actually watching this going back with the bishop is not a good idea it loses tempo I disagree with that move yeah what now though are you really going to push another pawn really where are you going to castle exactly on the other side I don't know okay take it it's yours give me the bishop though 32 that's a good number was that just made it's very likely that I missed some mates but what's the plan what if we keep yeah now you have to stay at the center of the board I'm a open the center I'm a win this match let's go for the win let's suck another pawn and go for the win really did you just thank the bishop yeah looks like looks like so okay this is going fine finally now my rooks are getting into the game and this is going to be an easy game to convert hopefully which to casual okay what if I suck another pawn nah I'm fine it's my clock bugged now your castle the audacity I don't think that's a good idea honestly how do you stop me you don't you really don't I could have gone with the knight first but I don't see a faster way to get in this should be just as fast you can't defend a pawn I mean technically can but I still get him no no really he survives this huh where's my attack I need to get the queen out of the let's give in another pawn another free pawn go fetch the pawn and you'll be three pawns up go fetch it totally for free or at least move your queen out out of danger oh you actually took the pawn now I gotta really win this attack otherwise it's a mess so can you get back technically speaking yes with the queen I mean probably it's better to first go with the rook so disallow any movement and then if he comes back there I'm I don't know I don't know surprisingly hard to win this one yes let's go here now can I exchange let's not get mated if I go there he takes check it's made if I go there you go back with the queen you cannot so there takes check king h1 checkmate no no did I mess up this is gonna be so funny if I mess up you want casual it's casual I'm a grom user but I want to try KD what what should I suggest you try it I think trying KD is a good idea oh the other rook I might take it I might take it and then you're defenseless what are you gonna do go back with the queen go back with the queen no wrong no should I go back with the queen you take with the queen so you defend the pawn now it's checkmate right isn't it I want one additional pumpkin you want revenge I want revenge before buy my opening curse before all the secrets on how to lose okay this is all in my repertoire yes now I'm attack the queen side let's go I am a major hunger of pawns I shall hang pawns this is fine though this is fine though I don't know what to do 3 plus 2 is like the best way to European it's bad to be clear easy win is not refer to the person it's refer to the match sometimes I play with much stronger opponents and they mess up and it's a easy win sometimes I mess up with way lower rated opponents and that's how life goes I'm fine do you really want to go into this really do you think it's a good idea let's see oh you take that first now that makes sense you take that first well now it's gonna be fun now it's gonna be very fun I take the bishop right that's the only sensible move ooh really why though what do you get out of it is there some mate are you sure now it's very risky your queen is in the wrong spot I map a piece okay and your queen is getting in except is not getting in no no no neither you have any spot for the queen now I'm safe I'm surprisingly safe I'm also low on time okay that makes sense I'm gonna go up let's remember to defend the bishop okay if I were ah you want to play with your pass pawn is that what you want to do okay you have a couple of threats the point of material I'm probably it's probably not worth it for me to actually have done what I did on the other hand I'm fine you don't have a long okay you don't have like a winning idea you can't advance the pawn you can go back with this I guess but maybe I can just advance it no because then you advance yours and it's bad take it okay I need to play this should I give back material no okay now I need to be careful extremely careful this is plus two right the increment annoying you're also very safe at this point really I should probably die to get one of your pawns totally take this it's free almost almost there I hanged the queen but yeah you took with the queen I thought you were going to take with the rook what time is it I still have 5 minutes I'll take the fastest one now the time I saw that I can play with like 10 seconds I cannot play if I hang up with my queen nobs points that was fast what's the increment again 2 plus 3 okay go away there's nothing for you here so go away now I should probably reroute my knight or I don't know what's the plan what's the plan in this situation you're stronger there I would love to reroute there but you got your bishop you're not let's go here castling h4 a4 a3 technically you want to fetch my bishop fetch it I don't know it's yours actually I'm a go here and if you take I'm happy if you do this I'm less happy oops now you got some pawns take it make me breath yeah I did not choose the right plan at all yep but now I go back take it I mean just take it what is that any go for probably should take it I don't see any other time this is not the best way I try to avoid this but I don't see I don't see how now we can jump here and this is interesting at least I've got some ideas not good ones oh you castle there oh no what now let's try to get rid of the pawns I guess no it's a bad idea let's try to get rid of the knight I should have moved the queen first yeah bold probably correct though maybe not do we want to exchange queens probably not really let's go here free pawn yes mistake this is a mistake right I was hoping for this now we just have to be careful with the time slow and steady now you're losing all of your pawns all of them and I'm super safe that's very nice let's win this knight was made sorry I'm a bit misplaying this but still let's take the pawns where's the geometry give me the right geometry please where is it come on wrong good this was a nice game this was a game that I didn't lose thank you and that was it thank you so much for all people still following sorry for the chess part but you know sometimes it's nice to play a bit of chess and d4 yeah yeah d4 is good thank you so much everyone very nice I'm sorry I didn't read the comments while playing chess that would have been nicer but if you like chess I can do more and I'm a go now sorry for the unanswered questions but I will do this at least once in a week so if you're interested join us next week and that's it thank you everyone and I'm really happy how this went


Welcome, our next talk will be about the Devian Longtime support team and the speaker is Raphael Herzog. Hello. So yes, today I will speak a bit about Devian Longtime support. I guess most of you already know. Are there some people who have no idea what this is about? Oh, good. I will make my talk in three parts mainly. First, I will present the team how it works. I will also give some facts about how it evolved over the first years. I took some time to collect the statistics. I believe they are rather interesting. I will also speak about the future, but there will be a separate discussion about this, you know, both later this week. And I will show you how to help, because like any other team in Devian, it's open to anyone, and we welcome help. At the end, I will answer your question. So, first part, what is Longtime support about? What was the problem when we created the team? And the choice we made. So, the idea is really simple. We wanted to extend the support period of all Devian releases. So, you know, currently it's basically one year until the next table release comes out. And we wanted to extend this to five years to match at least Ubuntu's offering, which is not our competitor, but for the companies who are making choices, it's one of the important criteria. So, we wanted to do as well. Basically, it's one year after the next table, but since we publish new stable releases every two years, it's roughly three years. A nice side benefit is that users can skip a full release while we don't officially support this upgrade over going from Devian 6 to Devian 8. You can do two disk upgrades at the same time and limiting the downtime to once every five years. By the way, in practice, disk upgrades tend to, on simple server configuration, tends to work rather well even across two releases. So, keeping the distribution secure for five years is a real challenge. It's hard work that not everybody is willing to do. I mean, in Devian, all the work is done by volunteers, and volunteers do the work that you enjoy. Generally, we enjoy working on new features on top of latest release, not really on back-parting patches to code that was written five years ago. The security team has limited resources, so we could not just ask the security team to, hey, so no, do twice the work. But still, they were really interested in the project and wanted to support the idea and really helped to get it bootstrapped. And the security team are slightly larger scope. They support all architectures, which means that you have lots of problems of coordination when security updates do not compile and stuff like that. So what did we do? We restricted the scope by picking the two most popular architectures that most users care about. We have, we have had some demand for ARM architectures, but up to now, we only support AMD 64 and E3866. And we also excluded some package from the security support, either because they are taking too much time. I mean, they have a security issue every two weeks, and well, they're very hard to support. Or, well, or it can also be that upstream is not cooperative enough to be able to support it. This list was basically made by the current security team based on their experience of doing security support. Still, there are, if you look up this list, there are some important restrictions.  But I think we can do better for Weezy. So basically, there's no virtualization support on the host, only on the West. So yes, the security team helps to bootstrap the LTS team, but it's not the same team. Obviously, there are members of the security team who work also in the LTS team, and they are, well, we work in close cooperation. We have regular contacts, and they watch our mailing lists, et cetera. But the policies are different and the infrastructure is separate, which is a problem that we'll talk to this about later. So we have a dedicated mailing list, devian-lts.devian.org, and a dedicated IAC channel as well. You're welcome to subscribe and to join. So if it's a new team, it means also new people, new members. So where do they come from? The first idea was to get help from people in various companies who are already doing such in-house support. We had contact with Electricity de France, EDF, and we still have, but they were one of the first companies who was pushing for this because they said, well, we're basically doing it already. We can share it with other companies. So the idea was really to pool security support of multiple companies. So we sent a press release asking companies to join, and we had a few response, but I'll come back later to how it evolved. It's not really satisfying. So the other thing we did is that we offered companies to fund the project to bring money and use this money to pay the work of actual devian contributors to do the security updates that we need. So basically we have wiki pages listing all the way companies can help with money. But in practice, most of the wanting to be paid contributors joined together under a single offer managed by Frixion SAEL, which is my own company. So I explain you quickly how this works. So basically, most companies want to... don't want to bother bringing human resources and bring money by long-term support contracts to Frixion. And basically we have a rate. I mean, when you give 85 viewers, you fund one hour of LTS work. This is the current list of sponsors, if you want. Top-level God sponsors, sponsoring more than one day of work per month, etc. So on the other side, we have devian contributors that are doing the work and Frixion is paying them. There is a small difference between the rate to cover administrative costs, because I have to handle all the invoices some customers are using PayPal, which is taking a cut, etc. And while we asked contributors to follow some rules, and among those rules is the requirement to publish a monthly report of the work done on PED time. So they won't get PED until they have published a report. So everybody can know how the money has been spent. So yes, that's the way it works. Currently we have seven devian contributors and about 30 sponsors. So some figures. Who uploaded packages? How did they evolve since July last year, or June last year? How is the funding evolving? I just updated those figures a few days ago, because I used this talk for the first time in Lyon, mini-Debcon in March, but I updated it again. So the number of uploads, it's roughly over one year in one month, since we started in July last year. Over 300 uploads, so it's not so much, but still almost one per day, so it's a significant work. I have given a plate here who paid for the work mostly and who did it on the left. So friction is sponsoring most of... friction sponsors, not friction itself, the sponsor will bring money to friction, doing most of the uploads. Known as a separate category for grouping all maintainers. I mean, there are maintainers who are taking care of their own packages in LTS, in Squeeze right now. Our members of the security team who works also within the LTS team. EDF is Electricity de France. Individuals are debian developers that have listed themselves as members of the LTS team and who did uploads not for their own package, but for packages of other maintainers. Kredativ is a German company that you know, probably. They have a booth here if you want a job. Toshiba Univention catalyst, et cetera. Rather lower figures. On the right, you have people. So the top five people are paid by friction. Raphael is working for EDF. Tish is a member of the security team. Kurt is an Open Estelle maintainer, so he keeps maintaining his own packages. He has a lot of work. Mike is also paid by friction. Christopher is mainly maintaining the debian security support package in Squeeze LTS. And Guien Cong is employed by Toshiba, et cetera, et cetera. Christoph Berg is employed by Kredativ doing PostgreSQL maintenance. So how did it evolve over the year? Again, it's by affiliation. So the big blue part is people, paid contributors. And you don't see it very well, but the part about maintainers is this one. It tends to do better over the month because this year we started to contact maintainers. Every time that we have a new plot coming up, we ask them first, do you want to handle it yourself or do you want to? And so it's slightly increased. But as you see, the contribution of other companies has not really increased over time and rather disappeared. It's unfortunate, but it looks like paid contributors are more proactive than others. So in particular with EDF, they do their work but with some lag and we're faster. So they just reuse what we have done. And I wanted to talk with Raphael. I tried to see how we can do better for this, but how did the sponsorship level evolve? So we have a steady increase, that's rather nice. It's not a huge amount, but it's significant because we fund almost 80 hours per month. It's close to our first goal. We wanted that amount to be able to sustain ourselves. If you look at the way it's the various sponsors, we have a few big ones and possibly one very big. I can't give the name officially yet, so I won't. It will be a big jump in terms of the graph. A few gold and many small sponsors. It's really what I'm after. I don't want to be dependent too much on one big sponsor. I really prefer many sponsors who are doing small donations but donations that are sustainable year after year because we're not here for one year or two. We want to do that over the long term. So you have some figures about how many hours have been funded since the start. By the way, if you have any questions, feel free to interrupt me. I can take them at any time. That's it for the evolution. Now, the future. What do we expect for the future? First, keep doing what we have been up to. Keep supporting the current set of packages. For easy long-term support, we would really like to have more supported packages. Our browser would be nice for desktop deployment and really virtualization support is important for many companies. We should be able to support something here. Also, we want to avoid some pitfalls that we add with squeeze LTS. As you know, LTS users are currently required to add a separate source list entry called squeeze-LTS repository. The security.debian.org squeeze repository is unused. It should be possible for the LTS team to continue using the same repository as the security team when it no longer uses it. This will be the topic of both next week. Even the date is on Tuesday at 18 in the first floor, Amsterdam. What's the problem with supporting the current set of packages? For example, we have MySQL right now in squeeze LTS. It's version 5.1, which is no longer supported by Oracle. We don't even know if it's affected by security issue because Oracle doesn't give info not to release it. This is a problem. We should consider switching to a newer version. Newer versions involve library transitions, which is not really nice in long-term support releases. There is some work to do here if we want to do something serious. We have other packages which are similar. From time to time, we take newer versions. We did that for Wireshark, for example. This is what I said before.  We want to be able to support more packages, and we need more support for this. Speaking of Wireshark, we switched to the easy version. It's solved. Yes, exactly. That's what I just said. It used to be a problem. That's the part I did not update since March. Again, what I just said before, so I skip it. Additionally, the problem with the separate repository is that there is a propagation delay to the mirrors that we don't have with security.dependent.org. I will speak a bit of how the team works. Basically, the first step is to aging new security issues. We have a list of CVEs that comes in, and they are added to a text file, data-cv-slash-cv-slash-list. Someone dispatches a thousand source packages, and then someone else reviews, usually in our case, it's someone else, reviews the status in each release. Members of the LTS team review the status in squeeze, and the members of the security team review the status in Weezy and Jesse.  Depending on the analysis, either we say, well, we need to prepare an update, so we add it to data-dla-needed.txt, and someone will have to take care of preparing the updates. We say the issue does not apply, it does not affect the conversion, or we ignore it because the package is unsupported, or because the issue is really minor, not severe enough. Sometimes it can be that this issue is already fixed in Debian due to some maintainer choices. When we do this classification, we contact the maintainers to keep him in the loop and offer him the possibility to help us. Here's what such the text file looks like. So the bold line is the lines that we are adding when we have decided what we are doing with the packages. This is all in the subversion repository on alios. Well, then there's someone who has to prepare the security update. Basically, looking for a patch, it's often useful to be able to look up at Red Hat, or Ubuntu, or upstream. Best case is upstream because there are nice upstream who are providing patches also for older versions. Usually there are already patches available, not always for the good version, so sometimes we have to backport it. So if we prepare a new plot with this plus-deb6ux suffix that we are using now for security updates, stable updates, well, this is a rather known territory for package maintainers. This is the hardest part sometimes, testing the update and making sure that the issue is fixed. When tools have tests to it, it's nice, but sometimes we have to set up it yourself. Sometimes it's too hard, so we tend to add a safety measure to the mailing list and say, okay, I've done my best, but please double-check. It doesn't happen often that we have tests, but some LTS users are willing to test it beforehand, and it would be really nice if you had more of those. And if you don't get any negative feedback, then we'll upload it. Then you have to send an announce. We call that DLA for Debian LTS advisory, and we have a little script, Bing and DLA that generates the template mail, and you have to add a little bit of description and basically send it to Debian LTS announce with a GPG signature of someone in the DD or DM key ring. The process is rather open to all maintainers, so even the right rights to the secure testing repository where we have this data, CVList file is writable by all Debian developers on alias. So really the entrance barrier is rather low for Debian maintenance and Debian developers. And yes, there's a file which is automatically updated when you generate this template and which will update the tracker on the web pages because all this data is nicely browsable on security-tracker.debian.org. And it's all linked from the package tracker. That's it, so if you have a few questions, I'm here to answer you. Have you considered using the old client library and upgrading the server so that you have the same API for clients or the same API for clients and a newer server that actually gets security patches? In my head, yes, but we did not look further yet. I really wanted to use the buff that is upcoming to discuss it because as I said, the amount of funding we have allows us right now to keep up with security update, but we do not have many pair cycles for dealing with such things. But it's slowly coming up. As I said, there is potentially a new platinum sponsor, so we will have a few hours free to look into this, and I think it's probably the best solution. But I don't know if it works in practice. I have not tried it. And since LTS, the end of life of squeeze happens in February, it's not too far away, so it's possibly a nice solution but creating to a new version is harder. I have a question about Frixian, where you have enough contributors that you could do more work, but you don't have the funding, or is it like you would also need more developers? A bit of both, actually. I mean, the web page has always been very clear on the rules that it means any Debian developers who has made secret uploads on its own already can apply and join the program and be funded. Fortunately, I did not have too many because it would have been hard, but it has been steadily growing over the months. Last year there was only Thorsten, Olga and me, but in the meantime we got Ben Etchings, which is helping us on the kernel, and a few more. I'm always looking, trying to make sure that we don't give too much money to a single person. Because, well, it's Debian, there has been dunk-tunk in the past. I've been involved, I know it. But I don't want anyone to have his life depend on LTS work, really. And I don't want the opposite way, also LTS would depend on a single person that can go away. So I try to limit it to, well, maximum 20, 30 hours per month for each person. And right now we're well below that, so it's good. By the way, most Debian developers are currently European, so the fact that everything is Euro-based is fine. But we have one developer who is American and it's no problem to pay in dollars. So the amount will vary with the rates, but it's not a problem. And even more, I'm surprised to have no contributions in countries where the rate of labor is way below. I mean, if we have so-so American contributors or African, I don't want to stigmatize anyone, but if there are people who could live for much more, I mean, if they would be paid 10 hours, they have made them months, they can still join. It's not a problem. It's not a high rate because we want only Europeans. It's because we want to allow everybody and if they can be paid for 10 hours by friction and then spend the rest of the month doing free work on Debian, the better. So, I mean, if you want to join the program, get in touch. There are details on the web pages and the more people found, the better. How do you or other developers motivate yourself to do this kind of LTS work because obviously it's important for companies to have stable releases, but it also, to me at least, doesn't seem very exciting from a technology standpoint. Do you think it's exciting or not exciting? I'm not sure I understood. Not exciting. Okay, I agree. It's not exciting. But a bit of both. I want Debian to succeed and I know that LTS support is important for Debian to succeed, so I want to make sure the project is working well and alive, but clearly the work I'm doing, I'm doing it because, let's say, the security support work, providing security update, back-parting code is for money and because I need to live. But organizing the LTS project is something I do for free because I want it for Debian because Debian needs it. Hi. I have a question. Who handles the public relations, the marketing stuff of the Debian long-term support? Do you do it yourself or do you have some professional help? I do not have any professional help. Basically, the way we could do much better, I mean, in number of sponsors, I mean, there are almost no US-based sponsors and there are lots of US companies that could help. But it's true. I'm fighting between my time, spending free time with Debian, doing LTS with Debian, and I contact a few companies that people suggest me to contact, but I'm not doing much things by myself. So you would benefit a lot from some professional help in the marketing department or the public relations? Yes, but I mean, I don't have money to fund this or not much. I mean, the 10 euro difference is for administrative costs. Maybe a bit for this kind of stuff, but it doesn't like a whole lot for this. Okay, I just wanted to answer the previous question about finding motivation for providing patches for LTS packages. And in my view, it's not very different from providing security patches for stable. Sometimes it's a bit harder because the software is a bit older, but we overcome this situation for Viershark, for example, by updating Viershark because it was quite impossible to backward all the security fixes. And I think it's part of the maintenance. If you maintain a project, you should maintain the security issues in stable and if you care a bit more and if you have a little more time, you can care about the package in LTS as well. I did it for Viershark for free because it's easy for me. It's great. Thank you. I want to point out that it's a good thing that LTS and security is different because we can have different policy. Like we said, I'm putting a new version. It's something we can do when it doesn't break too much. I mean, the common line interface has not changed so badly between both versions, so it's worth possible. It's not possible for all projects, but we're not so strict on new version versions. If you look at what others have been doing, I mean, in Red Hat, they do import new version version quite often, in fact. Even on libraries like NSS and... So, did the like or LTS support then support was an issue with the companies you are working on who are sponsoring Fritzan? I'm not sure I understood. So, the like or... Ah, Brozer, yes. Yeah. Then support in the LTS version. Was that an issue with the companies you work with who are sponsoring your work? Well, yes, obviously. Brozer not so much. I mean, most sponsors are hosters and stuff like that, but they were annoyed by the lack of QEMU or XAN support. They did upgrade their host machine, but not the Quest machine on their other customers. Obviously, that would be the first priority to fix. Brozer is nice, but it's also one of those cases where we just need to back to integrate newer version versions. So, it's a matter of someone doing it. And I was hoping for Raphael J. Serre to do it because he does it for Electricité de France. And I'll catch him and come to him. I know him quite well. He's working in Leonier, me, not far away, but... I mean, sponsors for doing the LTSV work is a signal of the need for LTS versions. But do you have additional statistics on the usage of LTS? Not really. And since LTS is not open on security mirrors, but on all mirrors, we don't have access to all the statistics. But I know from mails, thanks mails and stuff like that that it's really appreciated and used quite a lot, even from end users. I mean, there are users who like the antiquated GNOME stuff. I'm fine with GNOME 3, by the way. Yes, well, it's really widely used and widely appreciated. Thanks for your attention. There will be a break until five. The next talk will only start at five. So, have fun.


جلوباليزيشن، لن أخبر عنه ما هو it؟ جلوباليزيشن، ما هو it؟ في العربك العولمة العولمة is when I'm an Iraqi raised in New Zealand living in Qatar and studying in UK all of the same time that's me so I'm globalization السلام عليكم In the Arab world globalization becomes like the weather you can accept it or you can not accept it but it's going to happen either way might as well embrace it and understand that it's a mutual relationship that we can benefit from and benefit others with and it's important to to keep that in mind because we have so much diversity and richness in our cultures that we can export but instead we kind of focus on the fact that we're importing and we argue about that I work with technology every day and I think technology is the biggest factor for globalization and I would like to see more of that in future Okay Globalization is the power of knowledge so a person in America can share his idea with his friend from Africa to start an idea in or start a company in Europe with Middle Eastern money Globalization with a good understanding of cultural identity is definitely an opportunity for the Arab world as it allows for sharing of knowledge of education of ideas as well as trade