Hello everyone and welcome to our next EDW session titled securing your data assets against hackers Which will be presented by Seth Nielsen the founder and chief scientist of crimson business All audience members are muted during these sessions So please submit your questions in the Q&A window on the right of the screen and our speaker will respond to as many questions as possible At the end of the talk, please note that there's a link to form At the bottom of the page titled EDW conference session survey This is where you can submit session feedback and we encourage you to do so. So let's begin our presentation now. Thank you and welcome Seth Thank you very much. I'm happy to be here today Obviously, I'm sure you hear this from everyone, but we all wish we could meet in person Truthfully, I Not my favorite kind of teaching style. I prefer to be with people and able to move around and engage with people I teach classes at the university level where I have to I have to teach using this method as well. So It's not that I don't use it. Just wish we had other options to meet in person With that said, let me tell you just a little bit about myself So you can kind of see where I'm coming from I am Consultant I work with people on matters of computer security. I Have a bachelor's and master's degree from Brigham Young University and a PhD in computer science from Rice On a more personal note because I think sometimes that I think that's useful just kind of We all know a little bit about each other. I have five really great kids I love Jane Austen novels and movies and I've written but not published a fantasy novel Just so you can kind of get a little bit of a view into my head Let me also say just a little bit about the type of computer security that I do Because this will also clue in to what I'm really going to focus on in the presentation a Lot of times when I interact with a client one of their first questions is Well, okay, we'd like you to do some penetration testing Penetration testing is not What I do penetration testing is a very very narrow specific part of Computer security. I do a broader Computer security effort that you could call cyber security engineering Which is we start with the big picture. We figure out what our needs are we figure out what our Real issues are what we need to protect why and how and that's going to figure in pretty prominently into Today's conversations, and I think this will actually be really useful for you as most of you are attending this conference focused on data and your interests are in data and Data as we're going to see should really be driving your organizations security planning data should be Driving your organization security planning Again, I said I tell you just a little bit about the type of projects. I've worked on to put this into reference I have worked on a really wide range. I've worked on things from medical devices medical devices that were being Infiltrated from long distance so you're at the hospital You think the device is giving you one treatment, but maybe it's being interfered with I have worked on Systems related to banks and by the way at this bank. I was working with it was a data Issue they were not bringing me in to analyze how the intruders got in There had been another team that did that they'd already locked it down. They'd already secured the breach My analysis was on the data How Importance was the data what could an attacker do with it? I have worked on Projects related to ransomware. I've worked on projects related to secret codes. I've worked on Projects related to phishing attacks and I emphasize this breadth again to emphasize that The way I think about security and what I think is most important is Understanding these big picture issues understanding motivations understanding value And and understanding organizational goals So today we're really going to talk about how data drives important Decisions and and planning and understanding for computer security. So even if none of you are Very familiar with computer security My hope my goal is that you go back to your organizations You find your security team and you say You should be talking with me if you're not already if your security team is not Integrated with you who are in charge of data or or involved in the collection of data or the management of data There is already a problem. I don't know where it is, but it's already there and today, I'm going to try and talk with you about What how you think about data in a security context? so you can go back to your group and and Insert yourself where it's appropriate Now you may have noticed if you've looked at the slides if you pulled them down I have 160 or so we are obviously not going through all of those today I've left these in from previous presentations where it was full day because I think the slides are good and there may be Information in there that you can read it and if you don't fully understand it, it'll at least tell you where to Google So we're going to actually skip to the end of my slide deck Which is where we hit the punch lines, but I've provided the whole slide deck to you Because I believe it could be helpful But with that in mind, we're going to jump all the way down to slide number 119 where we really get in To the punch line of all of the presentation I Want to credit right from the start if you're looking at my video camera I am a big fan of Danette McGillvray's book Executing data quality projects. She now has a second edition out which I need to get and in the interest of full disclosure, I am related to her by marriage but I Read her book and it was eye-opening to me as a security individual It changed how I think about computer security So as you'll see here in my slides, I'm going to quote from her just a little bit and I want to start by talking about data governance Which I do not claim to be an expert in some of you maybe know more about it than I do But I'm going to introduce you to how I see it as a security person So here's a quote That is data governance is the organization and implementation of policies procedures structures roles and responsibilities that outline and enforce rules of engagement decision rights and Accountabilities for the effective management of information assets. I Will admit to you that I was probably this guy leaning back in the chair at one point and thinking to myself What does this have to do with security or privacy? Well, I Had a really deep realization that you can't secure data. You can't govern Okay, I'm gonna repeat that this is so important. I feel like I should make t-shirts or put it on mugs You can't secure data. You can't go and on the flip side You can't govern data. You can't secure Okay, so this topic super important So let's talk about access controls. I have slides about this earlier But for now, let me just simplify it down to it just enforces access. I mean, it's kind of a circular definition But the idea is anything you have that attempts to control access to data Whether it's physical like a locked room or digital like a password is a type of access control So with access controls, here's an example of a digital control Maybe a program that only lets User one here access sales data and not payroll data. That would be an access control or a locked room you may have heard of Role based access controls. These are very popular right now The idea is instead of giving one user a set of permissions You give a role a set of permissions and then you assign a user to one but often multiple roles By the way, if you wonder why I'm using names like Alice and Bob for my characters here It's actually a little joke from computer security We usually talk about party a as Alice and party B as Bob So little insight humor for you. Here we have Bob leaning back in his chair Bob is Has a role as an administrator and analyst and in data entry Okay, and then depending on which role Bob uses to log into the system Bob gets access to different databases different applications, etc This slide is hinting at one of the problems that often shows up in role based access control If any of you have worked Long enough in an organization you have often found that you get role Creep meaning You started out in a role Bob here started out in data entry having very little to do with anything else Bob gets promoted to analysts But as many of you are probably aware Do they ever stop having Bob do some amount of data entry or being involved in the data entry or at least Well, Bob, we know you've moved on but Somebody who's in your role now has a question. Can you come show them how to do it? And because of problems like this a Lot of times people don't get their roles that they're out of removed And this is a security problem because they're only supposed to have access to the information and Processes that are appropriate for their role Are you seeing why data governance is important in this? So here's my point Governance is about The outline and enforcement of rules of engagement if those are weak It doesn't matter how good your security software is It doesn't matter how strong the encryption is It doesn't matter if they release a new security patch You will have Security issues because the business rules about who can access data and how are weak so One place for you to look to insert yourself in with the security team is the security team clear on who Accesses data if they're not Their security rules are wrong somewhere Okay, let's talk about privacy and again. I have a series of slides on PII or personally Identifiable information Sometimes it's a good policy to restrict PII to a single database and you kind of mark it as a very critical database But again, that's no good if you have no idea who can access the database All right, what about things like? Accountability which is also part of data governance. I think most of you have probably either been a part of or Been aware of an organization where accountability was not clearly defined Audits, for example, are very valuable to computer security Audits are very important for computer security however Without accountability, what's going to happen to the odds? Suppose an audit reveals that PII was retained incorrectly. Yeah, okay. We need to follow the law We have to disclose we have to do this we have to do that But if no one was accountable if there were no accountabilities for the The allocation of the data the access of the data the the responsibility for the the use Then any of the audits won't actually have Much of an impact on making sure it doesn't happen in the future Okay, I'm going to briefly talk to you about a technical concept This may or may not be something you need to be super involved in but because it's data related I'm gonna share it with you one of the most important problems with Secret codes cryptography or encryption is What you do with the keys? It turns out there is supposed to be an entire key Lifecycle a key a key is the thing if you're not familiar and again We couldn't go through all those details today, but a key is like it's usually a Number I mean it's usually a small amount of data maybe 128 bits that's 16 bytes or 32 bytes Certain keys are a little bit longer, maybe a few thousand bytes, but these keys Control your ability to encrypt data Decrypt data do digital signatures some of these kind of things Keys have a life cycle They have an amount of time for which they should be active Then there should be a certain amount of time where they're suspended not used further except for data that still Requires them and then eventually Deactivated there should be a process for if they are compromised This is always the hardest part of cryptography For those of you who are responsible for data in your organization You might want to integrate with your security team to make sure that the data Related to keys is Properly accounted for and managed if your organization does not have good management of keys There is a security problem. I don't know where but it's there Keys must be managed and this is often a place of weakness and this is a another example of a place where data architects Data users data managers should be involved Okay We're going to move on This is kind of wrapping up what I was saying if you a key is tied to Decision rights often if you don't know who should have a key for how long or for what purpose No key management Okay Now we're going to switch. We've been kind of focused on the people Right or governor so far. I've kind of been focusing in on people But now I want to talk about the data itself Okay, if you're talking about PII suppose your organization is doing an audit to see if personally Identifiable information is being adequately Protected according to GPR or the California privacy law or any of those You probably need to Be sure that you know that the PII is only coming in from authorized entry points Okay, not every not every data entry point should be a place where PII can be admitted But this relies on a very important assumption that most organizations think they know but often don't and that is Do you know all of your data entry points? Do you know all of your data entry points? Do you know where the data is created and coming from? If you don't Then you can't be certain that your PII is only coming in from authorized entry points This again, I drew this quite a bit from Danette McGillvray's book Do you know where the data is in your system? And I mean the entire business system Do you know if you have duplication? The sources that have given piece of data how it is shared and how it is disposed of You can't secure what you don't know now. Let me tell you a story of a company. I've worked with This company Was responsible for handling some private data and they said we are handling all of our private data It is encrypted. It is this it is that Well, it turned out that a more deep and detailed audit Found that they had what is called a caching server You're not familiar with a caching server. The idea is that you might have a Big database that for whatever reason is Somewhat slow on its accesses maybe maybe because of where it is in the cloud or maybe because of certain characteristics It isn't highly performant there are certain types of in between devices that as the data is coming out of the database and being routed to a client a Computer that that is using it Data gets cash and that way if the user asks for the same piece of data again a few minutes later You don't go all the way back to the database to get the answer Well, it turned out they had a caching system That was caching data for 90 days unencrypted and There was a large amount of PII on this system that was unencrypted The organization was largely unaware that that caching even existed Didn't even know it was there This is what I'm driving at. Do you know where the data is in your system? Do you know if you have any duplication? Do you know all the sources of a given piece of data without this information? You can't secure it because you can't secure what you don't know Now this is Another quote from the Gilbray that I really like and believe is very important information quality It is the degree to which information and data can be a trusted source for all required users it is having the right set of correct information at the right time in the right place for the right people and I bet even before you read what Alice says here at the bottom of my slide you could see where I was going with this an Organization with low data quality will almost certainly have poor data security and privacy an Organization with low data quality will almost certainly have poor data security and privacy because if you don't Have the right set of information or it's not in the right time or in the right place I promise you it isn't being secured correctly Now this is a quote that comes from one of my security books But I actually think was meant to be married with this quote on information security This is a book that I use in all of my classes when I teach and I've taught classes at Johns Hopkins University And currently I teach at the University of Texas at Austin and I try and drive this concept into my students head many systems fail because they're designers protect the wrong things or Protect the right things, but in the wrong way Now if you think about this we can combine this with our information security quotes So I'm sorry information quality clothes, and I give you my version many systems fail because their designers protect the wrong data or Protect the right data, but in the wrong way At least in part because they don't know what data they have How correct it is where it came from and what it's used for So that I'm quoting myself now. That's really exciting. I like that quote Okay, so where do we go with this? Well, I really like Donets book I think to net McGill raised book the 10 steps to quality data and trusted information is a great place to start on the data quality end because And if I if I'm repeating myself It's because I'm really really into this concept that you have to know your data in order to secure it So Then that also has an acronym now She uses this for information in general, but but for information life cycle, but I'm going to adapt this for security That's called pause that So she says an information life cycle. There is planning for data obtaining data storing and sharing data Maintaining data applying data and disposing of data I'm taking her formulation here and we're going to adapt it just a little bit for security and privacy Okay, here we go How does planning for data tied in to security and privacy I Hope these are all useful pieces of information that you can take back to your organization Even if you're like, I don't know the first thing about Critography, I don't know the first thing about data security. This is where you can absolutely Make a massive difference in your organization start by helping your organization Identify your data security and privacy requirements You may know better than anybody in your organization exactly what those should be and if you don't you may be the most qualified person to help them figure it out if Anybody in the room as you're doing this says, oh, so what kind of encryption should we use stop them immediately? This is not what we're talking about Rather what we are really talking about are what are the Requirements who is allowed to view it how under what conditions are they allowed to view it? What do we have to do for chain of custody? What are the disposal rules? We'll have access to the data is it going to require keys How will the keys be managed are the regulatory and ethical obligations? This is what Needs to happen in order to plan for the security and privacy of your data okay Once we have a plan in place then we need to talk about obtaining it This is also important because in security we often say that it is at the boundaries Where things go wrong? So you might think about this in terms of a house most of your Would-be burglars are not Harry Potter like wizards that can apparates inside your house Most of them will need to use a door or a window and not a wall But there's another reason why boundaries are are important and That is the transition There is there is there is usually some change in the state of the data Involved in the transmission and security is sometimes a part of that So securely collecting data usually comes in one of two ways either already secured or Or it has to be secured as it's coming in So the biggest problem and this is why I was driving out earlier with this transition is security context Context is everything in security And what might be secure in one context may not be secure in another and So understanding how you obtain data and how the security Requirements may change from one boundary to another are critical. Let's do an example Although I didn't have time to talk about PII today. There is a concept called linkable PII Some data may not be considered personally identifiable information When it is by itself But it becomes PII when it is With other data that can be linked and through the linking you can identify the individual so you can imagine that there is a piece of data that in our external secure boundary was Was secure it was fine. It was not PII But it comes into our boundary and all of a sudden because we're collecting data from multiple sources It becomes PII My point is what was sufficient for protecting it externally is not sufficient for protecting it internally So as part of the obtaining process you need to be aware of Those changes from security requirements once again You may be the most qualified person in your organization to help the security team figure out what those requirements are and where these kind of Context changes happen Right once we obtain the data Then we get into what is kind of your classic security. I guess, you know We need to and we need to store it safely in a file cabinet or something so Once you get data in the system You have to control where it is and who has access to it Ensured that all locations where the data is stored are no Ensured that equivalent security controls are used in all locations This is another example of where data governance and data quality are so important One of the things that you all know from duplication, right? You can get mismatching information or you can have Various reasons why if the same information is coming from multiple sources. That's a that's a data quality problem well Same thing with security If you have data that over in server a is protected with 2FA to factor authentication But a copy of it is available over on server B without to factor authentication You're in trouble. I'll tell you another true story that happened just a few months ago I was working with an organization where somebody had intruded into their system and stolen a bunch of passwords It turns out that 90 some percent of their users had 2FA to factor authentication and There were a few that didn't Well, who do the attackers attack the stronger the week and I don't mean that the person was weak I simply mean that the security control was weak They always attack the week So the way to look at this is not to say will 95% of our users use 2FA. So we're secure No, it doesn't work that way If 5% of your users are using weaker security then 95% of your security it all lowers down to the lowest common denominator This is a mistake companies make all the time. We're doing great We have 95% of everybody using to factor authentication. Nope. You're not done. Sorry The attackers will get the 5% who don't have it This is not random chance. It's not like there was some stray bullet This is Dedicated determined they wake up and do their nine to five job trying to get into your organization They aren't going to use the 95% who have 2FA involved. I'll use the 5% without So again Data governance. Do you know all of your users? Do you know all of their security? Procedures are we keeping it uniform across the organization? Do we have some backdoors? Well, they're just a contractor the contractor doesn't have to have the same. No, no, no, no Can't do that for data that has to be secured. You have to make sure that all access has the same security level Used role-based access controls like we talked about But manage the roles and get rid of roles that are no longer in use Maintain data. This is kind of going back to making sure those roles are still in use If you've heard of data decay We're going to talk about security decay data decay, of course is where As the data sits there might become less relevant or it might be on date Or for whatever reason it's no longer accurate that same type of decay also happens with security I'm not going to go through all of these, but the role change is an example, right? Somebody is in role a then they get promoted to role B and they're left with their access to role a that is a security vulnerability staff turnover Person comes in they get a password they get access and they're fired three weeks later And nobody remembers to disable their access So we have to maintain the security of our data by watching for sources of decay As a quick note, if you remember the Equifax breach, they didn't patch a server. They knew was vulnerable That's security decay All right applying the data. We're not going to talk about too much here as we're running short on time I'm really I'm just going to say what I say here, which is it's a microcosm of the other elements As you go to use the data, there is its own kind of little mini internal POSMAD cycle Within your own organization, you may have to have plan for how it's used in case there are Security rules there may be changes in the security context so that moving it from where it's stored to where it Actually apply requires Careful management and when you're all done using it you may need to dispose of it from that location so POSMAD you could kind of reduce it down to how that's being done when the data is actually being used and computed But finally what we're going to talk about last here is dispose of data Please dispose of your data It is important for computer security now something of data disposal as I took a hard drive and I had the hard drive shred That's one type of disposal. That's media disposal more holistically You need to account for security issues like has all access been revoked We need to destroy data if you think about it access information is data, right? Somebody's access to a system is a piece of data That data needs to be destroyed when they should no longer have access Here's another one remember how I mentioned that caching server sometimes you'll find there are Pieces of software or hardware that even when you think you've destroyed a copy of the data The data is still being used by a copy still exists What about remote device usage? What about and of course the physical we talked about destroying the hard drive if it's data that needs to be deleted securely you should use something called cryptographic shredding or Overwriting if you don't know what that is your your security team should but you as the data experts Need to take the lead on which data should be securely deleted document the destruction if required by policy or regulation Release keys access controls etc associated with the data and also look around for meta data You may need to if you've got a secure piece of data and you delete it there may be meta data That could be used to recreate all or part of the secure data that was supposed to be destroyed Okay Lastly just as my last kind of slide here or two Information quality is I believe critical and I haven't even really addressed that at all I really just talked about the posmad cycle for how you should think about securing your data We obviously can't talk about it today, but there are a lot of great resources on it again Encourage your organizations to have good information quality so they can also have good data security and privacy Okay That's kind of That's kind of my pitch for this first part of the presentation. I guess we have about 10 minutes left I'm happy to take Q&A for the 10 minutes If you want to reference a slide in your question feel free and we can jump back to it Or we can just talk about any questions. You might have about security or data security and privacy So that's great. We don't have any questions just yet, but we just have one come in from Mark So keep an eye out for that in just one second sure Good question So I haven't spent a lot of time Investigating those those other models for the access control so I can't give you a good answer right now If you want to Follow up with me afterwards, I could I could do a little more investigation and answer that Zero trust is a really interesting Concept zero trust actually is kind of going in all kinds of directions right now and It's probably going to It's probably going to be the way things go in the future one way or another I'm a little bit more familiar with zero trust from the perspective of how do we Create a network that is secure Zero trust as it's used for example Like with Google's beyond court where it doesn't matter if you are inside the building or connecting with Remotely it is the same level of security and they check both that it's you Right, they check both that It that you have your username password to factor authentication They also make sure it's a machine that they trust with a certificate and then The machine also has to go through a certain kind of Policy check to make sure that it's up on its patches its operating system whatever else and then There's actually a database that only lets the machine talk to servers and Processes for which that user and that machine are jointly authorized There are a lot of reasons that we are switching to this kind of a model a lot of people feel like perimeter security if you're familiar with that for networks is is dead and And And that it was never really good enough to begin with The problem that that people are finding in zero trust is the classic problem in security usability trade-offs some people think that that least that type of beyond court model for zero trust is To Fragile I Know some people have really struggled to feel like it's it's useful and then sometimes the the quality of that security degrades because you just find workarounds but it seems pretty It seems like there's a lot of consensus around the idea that zero trust models are are The thing of the future and that Perimeter models are not I'm not sure if that answers your question on the zero trust side Feel free to ask a follow-up see if we're talking about the same the same part of that I've also not paid a lot of attention yet to this other authorization pattern But again if you want to sync up with me offline I can look into it and and give you some thoughts about it Again kind of the the approach that I'll typically take with a Appliance is to start at the high level and then work down to these kind of specificities For tools related to collecting the attributes and metadata that is not actually my area of expertise That would probably be more for The data people which is kind of my point like this is why I feel like a lot of Organizations are really struggling with their security is I feel like there are a lot of walls that go up between the security people and the data people So that would probably be a good conversation to have between the security team and the data team. I Feel bad because I'm not giving you Answers to the specifics you're looking for on those on those topics directly, but Again, if you'd like to discuss it further afterwards we could dig in and go into some more detail together if you'd like and Do you have your contact information on the last slide? Is that what the slide is? Yes Pop that up to the day you can see it and then I'm gonna wait for maybe a couple other questions that come in What's uh, if you have to distill it down and say what's the one main takeaway that you'd like for the audience to walk away with Information quality is necessary for data security and if you are involved in data You should be involved with the security team And then what do you think and this may be sort of the reverse of the same answer But what do you think that the main barrier or obstacle or pitfall that somebody might face? as they tried to Implement this or overhaul their security There are a couple that's a really good question. The first question is a lot of security Maybe like I was saying in answer to Mark's question a lot of security has been very much focused on the perimeter Right, like how do you keep bad people from getting in? That's that's actually a very narrow-minded way to think about security our number one concern Of course, we don't want bad people getting in but the number one concern is almost always the data. We don't want We don't want the data being sent where it shouldn't used how it shouldn't Access shared Apply in ways that it shouldn't and the data is kind of this critical thing But a lot of security is just focused on this perimeter concept and then like well security is only responsible for the perimeter And whatever happens inside is none of our business That is that is that is very broken and but there's a culture and a mindset so part of what's important is for day of people to get executives on board with the idea that the data is the keys of the kingdom the data is the the the valuables the crown jewels and that the starting point is The starting point is How do we protect our data? And if we start with that starting point and we we ask our security teams to retool from that perspective With an emphasis on the importance of the quality of our data, which is not something most security folks are trained in That is where I think organizations can make a difference I see this other question. What would be your pitch statement for data security? Well, I kind of think I was already giving it data is probably what makes your organization. It's money And and also data is also the place where we're coming up with big fines You know those GDPR fines or lawsuits or you know all of these different things It's it's the data is where we'll make our money and the data is where we'll lose our money So the starting point for our security It's it's you start with the goals in mind not the not the implementation The goal is to secure the data not protect the board. It's a slight You know, it's it's not that they're not related, but you start with what matters most and you work out from there That's great. It's like we don't have any other questions and running up on time So, thank you so much for your presentation and thank you to our attendees for tuning in Please remember to complete your conference session survey at the bottom of this page and the next sessions will start in about 10 minutes Also, we encourage you to check stop by the sponsor booth to get some great free resources If you're able to find time in the remaining of the session or this conference day Thank you so much again Seth and have a great day Thanks email if you have questions


Let's call to order our Thursday, January 12th, 2023, our advisory board meeting. Happy New Year at all. Kayla, do you mind starting with the roll please? Chairperson Harrison-Arl. Here. Here. Board Member Russell Robison. We barely have a quorum. Thank you. So first meeting of the year, we kick off with our annual business meeting. First, Steve, want to welcome you to the board. Thank you. Really excited to have you with us. Would you like to introduce yourself? There you go. Hello, I'm Steve Schuch. I've been at Longmont for about four years and hang our owner and pilot. And it's going to be a pleasure to help the board. Thanks. Thank you. We're glad you're with us. Thank you. First item of business is election of officers. We do this at the start of every year. We've got chair and vice chair as the officers. Any nominations for chair? I don't really care to self-nominate here. So if anyone else wants to. Mr. Dane. Here's my roll for chair. Thank you. Moved and seconded. Any other motions? Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? You're stuck with me. Vice chair. Any nominations? Mr. Dean. Nominate Russell. I will absolutely second that. So we have motion and seconded for Mr. Robeson as vice chair. Anyone else? All any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? You can vote for yourself, too. You didn't do either one. You abstain. All right. Officers elected, thank you all. You're welcome to move if you want to, but your call. OK. Approved minute notice posting location. City staff, I believe, please correct me, the official posting location that has been in place for the last year as the website, which would be the recommendation to go forward. Is that correct? That is your primary location is the website, PrimeGov. And then their secondary is the Bolton Board that's just outside the city manager's office at 350 Kimbark, just up these stairs. And we need a formal approval of that, evidently. Would anyone like to make a motion for that? Otherwise, I'll do all the mics on here. So I'll motion that we have the official meeting posting location as PrimeGov, the city's website, secondary location as the Bolton Board at 350 Kimbark with a request to airport management to post at the airport, although the official location is still the website. Moved and seconded? Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Approved. And that is, believe it, we did that in past years, too. It is a request. The official location is the website. But we just like having it there for the making sure it's easy for everyone. We can certainly do that. And what I've been doing since I've been here is to increase that. I've been building that email list. And I emailed everyone also. That's exactly what we're going for. But we also recognize the official legal location as the website. OK. Public invited to be heard. I've got nobody who's on the sign-up sheet, so whoever wants to come on down first. Since it's the first meeting of the year, I'll do the quick reminder. Five minutes, please direct the comments to the board. Start with your name and address. It's on. There you go. Ron Krenzel, 12191 North 61st Street, Longmont. I wanted to talk about a couple things. I went to the city council meeting where the lease was approved. I was horrified. I was so angry. The process of that lease improvement was the FAA was blamed for the time of the lease. The advisory board was blamed for approving it. The FAA was that regional airports, the airports around were blamed for the conditions of the lease. After you had had so many discussions about what really should be done and the ramifications of what they did. And then I listened to the conversation between the city council and the people and the administration. And they kept reiterating it came out to, well, it's just a starting point. The lease really doesn't mean much. And I'm going, this is not a good deal. You really need to watch as the advisory board what you agree to. And I understand why you approved it, because I came here about three times. And every time they came back with a different story. It's done. It's over. And that's my angst. The other thing I'd like to respond to is I mentioned that electric airplanes were probably not very functional. And there wasn't any available. And city councilman Martin questioned that. I went and did a little research. There's only one certified electric airplane in the world. And that's by Pipistrola. It's a Vizzle. And it's probably as useless of an airplane as you would ever want to see. It has about the same characteristics as a Cessna 150. It has a 50-minute range, which at cruise is about 100 miles. That's fair within one or two. But if you took off from the Longmont airport, you could not get the Grelian back. You can't get a pilot's license in this airplane. About 40% you can't do across country. At 90 degrees, the density altitude of the Longmont airport is about 8,400 feet. This airplane has a service ceiling of 12,000. The president of Pipistrola said, this is only for the aerodrome. Now, we don't really use the aerodrome conference designation in the United States. But in Europe, they're tiny little parts, and they fly around in circles. So it's somewhat pertinent. The useful load is also 378 pounds. That means I don't know any two guys that could fly in it. A Cessna 150 has a better useful load, and it'll fly for three and a half hours. The problem with this airplane is you can't get a pilot's license in it if it ever becomes certified. So I think when you guys hear about this electrification of the airport, you ought to take that into consideration, because there are no usable aircraft on the visible radar that you will see certified forever or for a long ways, unless they decide it's a COVID and then they'll run it right through. Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else would like to speak right now? Dave Kopp, 4625 West 99th Place Westminster. And I want to start by thanking Levi for not sending out the agenda in the minutes again. So we had to go dig him up ourselves. I don't think that's by accident. The want to read, I too, like Ron, was very disappointed in the way the council was handled on the master lease. And I know that you had a lot of concerns. A few of them were passed along, very few of them. And you talked about all the problems that we pointed out to you and then you just ignored them and approved it here. I want to read the first paragraph out of one of the FAA documents on leases. The FAA does not review all leases and there is no requirement for a sponsor, meaning the city, in this case of Longmont, to obtain FAA approval before entering into a lease. So beyond, what follows that is a moot point. The bottom line is they don't need to review leases and they don't typically do it. And so there is no grant assurance violation by offering a 30 and 30 lease. There's no grant assurance violation by 30 and 20. The city could do what they want and they have done what they wanted. But unfortunately, the result of that is going to be they're not going to attract any developers and I'm one of them. And it's just not going to happen not without modifying that lease. Now they've left it open. They can do what they want after the 30. But typically, they're obviously pointed out what their intent is. They plan to take the hangers or at least take them and sell them and rent them at three times what the ground lease is. So that's the agenda. And once Levi is promoted and gone somewhere else, somebody else will replace him. And the bottom line is probably most of this review board won't be around either. But that mess is still here and that mess is going to severely strangle the airport growth because of it for that. Certainly the next five to 10 years. And I know you think that's, I'm just speeding into the wind here, but the bottom line is I've been here 20 years. I've donated far more time to the airport and airport community than everybody on this board. I've been officers of a number of Hangar Owners Association. I've also even been out there for hundreds of hours trying to smoke out the prairie dogs, all trying to help out the airport manager. So the bottom line is I know it's a thankless job. There's a lot of people out there that are not happy with your performance. So I'm not happy with your performance. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak at the first public invited to be heard? Okay. Seeing no one next agenda item is our approval of December 2022 minutes. Board members, anyone have any revisions to the minutes? If there's no revisions, I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes. Second, thank you. Moved and seconded, any discussion? All in favor of approving December 2022 minutes. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Updates from the airport manager. Mr. Brown. All right. Not too much stuff on my plate this week. Just some quick updates mostly for you guys here. Southwest sewer project is item A here. The good news on that project pretty much completed. I just did a change order earlier today to extend it by one day. So by tomorrow, it should be pretty much completed. They're doing some cleanup. They were repacking where they dug through the perimeter road today and making it passable again. Apart from that, the project's pretty much completed. We got now sewer way out beyond where the wind tea is on the airport. So it's all there for future access. It is pretty much done. And that's issue A, is there any questions on issue A? All right, B, prairie dog mitigation. Now moving along pretty good with mitigation, just as a quick recap, prairie dog kind of exploded again on the airport this year. It's talking with local wildlife guys. I guess they kind of saw that all over the city. They essentially estimate that our population doubled. Of course, something we got to take care of, not only for FAA reasons, but just because it's, as an airport, we need to get them out of there for safety reasons also. Had a meeting earlier today with the city wildlife department. We've been tracking down various different avenues of trying to get them out of here. It looks like we're most likely going to go with a proposal from, I think it's D HQ Ranch Services and they're gonna come out and we're actually going to, hopefully, and this is all still in the works, have their three machines at the airport at the same time, go through and just do a massive push on the airport to do this mitigation. It's gonna cost the airport a little bit of money, but we think we really want to get kind of a heads up on it and kind of tackle this as heavy as we can. The idea being have them come out and do one big push, wait a couple of weeks, come back, do another big push and then the idea is after that, hopefully the city's wildlife people will be able to stay on top of the numbers that we'll have out at the airport. So that's kind of the update plan, where the direction that we're headed right now, no agreements or contracts have been signed at the moment, but this is kind of the point of the funnel where everything's kind of come to and it looks like what our action plan is gonna be for getting this taken care of. Mr. Dean. Yeah, Levi, do you have any information on roughly what the cost will be for the mitigation? Yeah, we're still kind of trying to figure out the exact numbers on that. Preliminary estimates put the total somewhere around $30,000, but kind of the way he's, we've been negotiating it and it's based on hourly, so that's kind of his best guess. I drove him all over the airport, I showed him where all the holes were, we did estimates, he kind of calculated out what he thought his team and stuff like that would need. He based it on hourly, but then he gave us a tell. Yeah, so I could, not going through all the numbers, but for the first round, he's, okay, so it was $28,000, and then for the second round, that's right, for the second round, he quoted $14,000, so closer to $40,000 plus there. So it's gonna be a little bit of a spendy process. These numbers, I did double triple check with all the wildlife folks in the city too, and they all kind of nodded their head and said that looks pretty fair to them as far as what the services cost. We did also actively reach out to several different people. We talked with this company, Smith Wildlife Control Services and Rocky Mountain Wildlife Control Services, and these by far seem to be the most professional kind of outfit, definitely interested in being here at the airport, so that's kind of the direction that we're going. Thank you. Yeah. Can you, Levi, what was the timeline on that? So honestly, my timeline is quickly as possible, so this earlier today had a meeting with the wildlife department. I put in a phone call to Dan, he hasn't got back to me, but once he gets back to me, start talking about what his window is, and at that point, go back to the city and make sure that we're good to go and pull the trigger. Anyone else? All right. E, engineering consultant updates, this would be a pretty quick one. Talis has been helping us on this one with going through the firms and stuff like that. Next week, we've got interviews with the three top firms and we'll all be kind of sitting through their talk and at that point, we can make a choice and then move forward with signing an agreement. So that should hopefully be accomplished fairly quickly here. Anyone have any questions from Levi on any of this? Hold on a second, Steve. Go ahead. What services is this engineer going to be doing for the airport? So for any airport, it's pretty standard to have some kind of an engineer kind of on an ongoing contract. And to the point where even when I do meetings with the FAA and CDOT, these obligatory grant meetings and we're talking about future CIP projects, okay, well, who's your airport engineer? We actually started the, and I'm certainly glad we did the process of getting an engineer on a little bit early because I had a conversation last year with the FAA and I said, well, I want to get these projects started and they said, well, you got to make sure you got your new engineers on for 2023 before we'll even talk to you. So essentially what they're there for is, let's say I want to do perimeter road upgrade on the airport. So if I get that, if I get potentially money earmarked for it, then me and my engineer are going to go into a meeting with the FAA and the engineer is going to do all the drawings and figure cost estimates. They're going to figure what needs to be done. Yada, yada, yada. We're going to go to the FAA. We're going to say, okay, we're going to use this grant money for this. So it's just kind of projects like that. That's pretty much what it's for.  So it's a firm that we're signing an agreement with. So whoever it is, there might be a planner, point man, and then they have electrical engineers and then they have structural engineers and they kind of draw from their pool of people. Okay, thanks. And that was the last item that I had on the update. Mr. Robeson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sorry, Vice Chair Robeson. Oh yeah, new time. Levi, since this is the airport manager section, I was just responding or thinking about what the public invited to be heard said about the minutes being included with the agenda. And I went to the portal and I can kind of see how they might get to that. Have you been on there?  Yeah, I did get down, I went and downloaded the agenda of course, except that from the same online portal. I did not actually check for the minutes. So I couldn't speak with any authority on that this week. Phil, can you put that up on the TV over there? Yeah. Longmont website. Just for anybody in the audience that wanted to see the minutes, they're there, but I agree they're not obvious maybe. And I look back through the previous ones and they're this way too. It says agenda and if you click on that, you just get one page. But if you click the three dots next to it, it pulls out a little packet dialog box. All right, we just had this up. We should have kept the page up. Yeah. So this is the webpage that does the city's website. And I typically go over to city council on agenda minutes and get to the portal. You can also get to this, get to this straight from the and airport advisory board. Then you have the agenda that's posted. We usually try to post that the week before the meeting. So full, it's usually the Friday before the Thursday. We try to get that out now. It was a lot less time before, if you'll recall. So this is an improvement in our minds. And then after the agenda is posted and we know it's there, and like you said, there's three dots where you do the full packet. So you get just the agenda. If you click on the agenda piece, or when you click on the three dots, you get the packet piece. So you get the full piece. And what Levi tries to do that following the Monday before this meeting is send out an email to everyone. So what we need to do is make sure that we have specifically Dave's email and we'll check in with him after the meeting. And I do, yeah, I do put actually the directions to that link and all the emails with the breakdown on where to go to. I think your email is great. I just responded to the public that said that it was, they weren't able to find the minutes. So I wanted to show how to get to it. Right. Thank you. Anything else for Levi? Anything else Levi for us? That's update there. Oh, sounds good. Okay. We've got no information items. So action items, annual report. Right. Action on the annual report. So this, we did do an annual report. I know it was talked about before that we want to do something with maybe a little more depth to it. And that's certainly something we can talk about and do in the future. Being a little bit behind the eight ball on this one, I did kind of the city standard format for our annual report, kind of what they wanted to see. And I do have that in front of me and that should have been in the packet too. So annual report, I just figured I hit the highlights real quick here of that. Airport advisory board codified 1993, et cetera, et cetera. Some of the highlights from stuff we did this year from the list that I've got here, of course new airport manager is in there. Schedule of rates and charges was a big one that we finally got through this year, which is great. Really, we should be addressing that every year and check and make sure it's good. It's good to actually have gotten that done. South side sewer project started and completed all pretty quickly there. So that's another big accomplishment along with the airport striping and in general painting all over the airport. We did a whole bunch this year. Also in this line, of course the new leasing documents and going through there to make, bring them into compliance and well, pray dog mitigation that we've been working on. Yeah, those are some of the kind of highlights that we've been working on here at the airport board this year. So that's kind of the annual report. Is there any questions on that? Mr. Dean. Yeah, so I see the mowing. I think we talked about that in October, November. Do we have somebody set up for the summer for mowing? So we were actually just had a meeting last Thursday with the public course natural resources about that. That's going through procurement now. We're preparing to get some bids for those and the hope of course being putting it out for bid now maybe when Moer's a little more hungry for work in the middle of the winter we'll get maybe some better offers and we got less summer in the middle of the summer when our contract ran out. So, and again, the idea of being moving forward we'll be redoing this contract in the middle of the winter instead of in the middle of summer when if our individual decides he's retiring it doesn't put us in quite so much of a pickle. Is there a cut off date for that as well? Do you have like a date you want to have this done by or? I want to start getting it out there essentially next week for getting proposals. It all kind of depend on how procurement process goes and kind of what their timeline is for doing that official paperwork. Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Vice Chair Robison. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe I've mixed two things in my mind but wasn't the annual report something that we put together over a long period of time with pictures and took it to city council? So, are we doing a format change here? Is that what you're suggesting or is this just like a guide for us to put together our annual report? Oh, so to my understanding in the past and this is kind of from what former board member Melinda was saying, there used to be like a little thicker, a little more story oriented for the annual reports and of course I haven't set through one before so I'm not sure how that process went with you all before but this is just something we kind of prepared to fulfill the requirement of the annual report from a yearly nature. So, it's certainly something that we can do moving forward but this fulfills the official requirement for the annual report. Okay. Harrison, what do you think about that? So, and I appreciate what we've done in the past particularly, Vice Chair Emeritus Jordan's effort on that. I'm just gonna create a title for you Melinda. I really like being able to tell the story about the airport wall fulfilling the requirement. I think my question is for Council Member Martin which is what do other boards give you and what is valuable to Council since this is a report to you? What would you like to see from us? And can you do the mic please? There? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It varies so much that I really am a loss as to what it says. I mean, Levi is correct. There is a definition of a minimum. There's no rule that says you can't put extra stuff in there but in my experience with other boards is more like you have to twist arms to get the minimum to be fulfilled and the work is typically done by the staff liaison in this case it's the airport manager and some boards do a formal approval of it and some just say, oh, thanks. So, you know, that's really all I have to say. I think that the, I honestly don't know maybe Phil, you might, I don't know because you're all liaison. I don't know whether this board could decide to have a bylaw that said that they require approval of the annual report. I don't know. That's Council Member Martin. That was our plan for tonight was to request it. Ask for any changes. Basically, this has just pulled off your agendas over the last past or 2022, quite frankly. And this is the same thing we've done with other boards and commissions. So this mirror is exactly what we do for the Transportation Advisory Board. So my apologies if it's kind of not up to the standards you've seen before, but I have failed to find any great attachments from previous airport managers that shows that level of detail. So I'd have to be, we'd have to try to find that or be directed toward it because I'm not seeing it in our files. So. Well, and I mean, we as a board failed to do this last year. So we did not meet our requirement in 2022 to submit a report for 2021. So, I mean, I would just say my personal opinion is I would like to do more than this, but also make sure we get it say next month done. So we actually meet the requirement. When we redid our bylaws, I don't remember what the timing was. I think it was last year. We said first half of the year for approving an annual report. So we've got a little time, but I don't want to just let it linger because otherwise we'll never do it. Chairman Earl, if I may add something. Please. There is a chance that I might have one from 2018 or 2019 lying around that I could provide as a model. You know, I've been through a couple changes of computer and stuff since then. So if I have it, it's in the cloud. But if you'd like to have a copy, I'll try. I'll either get it to you by Monday or I will give up in despair and say, well, no, I didn't hang on to it. I know we have the copies, Council Member Martin. I know that I know I have them. I believe Vice Chair Meredith Jordan has provided them to Levi for what's been done in the past. So I think we can work through that. Vice Chair Robison. Thank you. Yeah, I'm Linda nodding at me. So I think between the two of you and maybe Council Member Martin, we can get some old ones. And I would say I'm willing to put some effort into it this month to make it more interesting to look at. So I do appreciate you guys putting this together. That's a good outline. I would just like to maybe add to it. Are you, do you have some time to work with me or what should we do? I have minimal time, but I think that would be great to do that together. Because I actually think some of the past ones have done a really good job telling the airport story and probably a less good job telling what the board has done. And so a little blending of the two would probably be appropriate. So then I would make the motion that we don't take action on this tonight, that two board members reconvene and we bring this forward next month for approval. Mr. Dean seconds. Any discussion? All those in favor? Any opposed? We'll bring it back. Russell, you and I will be the two unless someone disagrees with that. Leave anything else on that then for us tonight. That's all we had on action items. Okay, we will work with you and we'll get something together and approve it next month. We're moving quick tonight. Final public invited to be heard. You can tell me if you agree or disagree with your invented title. And you do need to hit the button. Wow, it's still complicated. Melinda Jordan, 1110 Twin Peaks Circle, long month. Look what I happen to have with me. Good thing I carry a carpet bag. So there's a hard copy from 2018. It's pretty old, yeah. And then I can get you the soft copy. And then the recommendation that we had was that the requirement is the sterile report just to report on what the board's done, but that I could solicit input and the recommendation from Marsha was to provide it to Marika with the city and get her to put it together as a city publication that would go along with the report. So I had just asked Howard Morgan with Lopa, along when I sent my dues in to solicit input through Lopa to also make a notice there that we were looking for input. So I'll say that on the record and then to you guys too, if you know of anything on the airport that should be included in that would be business, charitable, milestones, accomplishments. We have rescue missions. We have medical missions, corporate traffic, any kind of interesting notes. And then I solicited them from the businesses out there as well to just see how business looks and what their sales were like. And then we'll put a request out to the field too because that's where we get our volunteer pilots. And I don't know this last year there's always animal rescue, that's you can guarantee that. And then the phenome does quite a bit of charitable. So I'll work on that and then I can send it to you guys but also then put something together for Marika that she could put it, hopefully put something together to accompany ours. But the requirement is that the dry one. Yeah, they're really just pretty sterile. And then finally on the air show, I reached out to one of our sponsors historically. I won't name them here. And I reached out to them today proposing even sponsoring the jet show or Bob Freeman. And if they wanted instead of to be a general sponsor, if they wanted to hone in on a specific event, I also had a band pencil in that date for us and they come with a price tag as well. So I started reaching out saying that, we've got to make deposits and things are happening now if we're gonna be having it. So I'm gonna let you know that that I've got a few feelers out for some bigger sponsors that would help us make those deposits and some of those expenses that we have now. Thank you, you guys are doing great. Congratulations. Thanks, Linda. Would anyone else like to speak now? Mr. Kopp? Dave Kopp again. We'll start with a P and L statement. You know, as a annual report, we used to get three, four years of data showing the income and expenses, the income increase, where the expenses increased. You know, that was pretty good review and showed us what kind of income we're getting from all the hangers and also include your grants that you've applied for, those that you got, those you didn't get over the last three or four years and then show you the current one. I applaud you for bringing it up, Mr. Robertson. Yeah, it was very cursory. So yeah, we'd like to know what the heck's going on with all the money we're spending out there or at least trying to. And the Prairie Dogs, let me give you a big hint. Start securing the airport. People are dropping Prairie Dogs off almost every night. Yeah, I know it's illegal. That's what Tim Barr said 15 years ago. But I've got data that confirms they're doing it. I out there in a helicopter hovering after a new snowstorm. You can see where trucks back up and dump them right there in the field. That's why you can't get rid of them. That's, this is a dumping ground for the whole damn county. And it's still happening. So you gotta secure it. You gotta make sure it doesn't happen. And why is that happening? Because we spent $60,000 on a Prairie Dog preservation field on the southwest corner of the airport. And then we didn't maintain it. And that's where it used to be a helicopter practice area over there. And that's why it was over there. And that's what's happening. You can see the little craters running right through the preservation area right into the airport.  Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else tonight? David Schenck, Bucks, 464 Longmack. With respect to the annual report, it looks to me like that would be a really nice place for the airport manager and staff and the airport board to brag about the airport. To kind of pump up the airport to the city council and kind of convince somebody on city council that it really is an asset to the city. It's a tremendous asset, but we don't seem to market it very well. My comment on the Prairie Dogs is you gotta stop them from being dumped, that's for sure. But the other thing you've gotta do is kill them the minute they show up. If you leave two of them out there, I can guarantee you're gonna have a whole bunch of them and then you're looking at $40,000 again. But if you kill two of them for 10 or 15 bucks, you've done your job, but you gotta get the first two. Thank you. Anyone else? Last call? We'll close final public fight invited to be heard. Board, council, and staff comments. Mr. Dean, I see you in the queue, so that'd be rough. So I've sent in the paperwork. I don't really know how long it's gonna take to get back with the B-2 that crashed about a month ago. I've heard there's delays, but I did send in paperwork to Whiteman Air Force Base for a B-2 flyover or a jet flyover, so we'll see how that goes for the actual confirmation. Council Member Martin. Thank you. I wanna make sure there are no other board members that wanna speak first. I know I do, but no one else is in the queue. Okay, well. Go ahead. So a couple of things, one is there's a misapprehension that the city council does not think of the airport as an asset to the community. In fact, the city council does and the economic development partners do think of the airport as an asset to the community and want the, you know, want to find ways to fund the airport more and make it more modern and accelerate the development of the land. I hope that everyone will understand that and, you know, get into a best hopes kind of mode rather than a worst fears kind of mode. Nobody's out to get ya. You know, the lease isn't intended that way. This is strictly, you know, protection that a landlord has, you know, and has a fiduciary responsibility to do. There is no reason why an extension to a lease would not be granted unless the hanger was in bad repair or, you know, the lease payments were not being made or there was some safety violation going on. You know, we've had that happen in the history of the airport and the things in the lease are for that reason. So I'm, you know, just, I'm surprised by the reaction that has really come out of just the lease got looked at because we needed to change the numbers. But that's all it is. And there is every desire to improve the airport. There are rules about how much, about how the airport has to operate. It's an enterprise. The city doesn't get to take taxpayer money and push it into the airport. That's against the law. It's against the Tabor amendment. So it's actually unconstitutional to do it. The airport has to pay its way by fees, by grants and by, you know, other business operations that have to be done and it has to pay its own expenses. And that's just the way it is because we live in Colorado and we have the Tabor amendment to the constitution. And that doesn't translate into the city being out to get the airport. The last thing I wanna say is that I fail to understand the opposition to what is a city-wide electrification initiative. The energy transition is real. And I get the feeling that there's, you know, some idea that electrification of the airport means to the exclusion of other styles of aircraft. And that's not true at all. You know, it's just the idea that the potential of this land in the city's energy economy should be increased and that the airport should be friendly to an emerging style of aircraft. So there are potential benefits and no potential harms for doing this. I would invite the board to invite a speaker, people I work with, we have Dr. Grunsfeld, who would, I think, probably be happy to give a presentation on the technology state of airport aviation electrification. I also have, he might be harder to get, but Dr. Troutman, who is a public policy specialist with regard to batteries and the state of battery technology, and he works with the government and military and has made me very aware of the amount of federal investment there is in this technology, in all these technologies. So, you know, I would be happy just because it's a very interesting topic and of importance to pilots. And yeah, you know, it's gonna be just like the previous generations of aircraft. They didn't have huge ranges in the beginning and they developed and came along. So that is an option, you know, I think if the board is interested, if the public is interested, public stakeholders, those are options, but it's not gonna take anything away from anybody. So thanks all and happy new year. Thank you, Council Member Martin. Ms. Vice Chair Robeson. Thank you. It seemed like a good time to jump in. If you guys remember last meeting, we were presented with a document that had been come up with by city staff regarding the sustainability and a resolution that we could recommend. And we didn't find it to be up to snuff, so I rewrote it, conferred with Melinda. She liked it. If we want to look at it, now I emailed it to Levi so that it can be put up there. I can read it to you or we could just do it at another time. I think my preference would be next month when we can review it, but it was on my list of I really want that to come back in February. It's ready, I wrote it whenever. So on the first item there of future agenda items that would be, that's my request, not an idea. On the discussion about the annual report, I absolutely agree it's a great chance for us to brag about the airport and brag to council a little bit about everything that's going on out there, the economic development, the investment. I appreciate your comments, Council Member Martin, that the council is pro-airport. That's certainly not always been the case. And so I invite the, I like having the PR opportunity for us to be out in front of the council and talking about the good that's happening. And what's coming next? Cause I really do, I've had this conversation with Levi and a number of you, I think this has been a transition year and that we're moving forward and we're moving in the right direction for the first time in years. And so to be able to have that discussion and I recognize every time a lease or a rates and charges goes before council there's always the questions of how does this fit into a broader strategic plan? Kind of what's the big picture? And we're moving that way, we're moving in that direction. So I want to be able to tell that story as well. We have on here air show as well. Melinda brought this up. I'd love to kick off that discussion and ideally figure out who is going to be leading that from a board perspective and pushing that forward. Since if we're all doing it it is once a month in a public forum and that's not going to work to actually make this happen. Vice Chair Robison. Thank you. It seems by default it's been me kind of leading it since I've been checking out the Airbus side of it and Melinda and Dale Vanzant said he's certainly willing to come back and contribute what he knows about wrangling the finances and setting up the whole thing since he did it before. I feel like the first step is a question for you council member. Is their money already earmarked for this year in the city budget? No, not that I know of. I will tell you, the council doesn't get deep down in the finances. The budget we get is pretty limited. So in detail, it's not a limited budget particularly. But again, taxpayer money cannot be allocated to this. Not even the air show. So this is coming directly out of the airport budget. So we've had preliminary discussions with the city already and the money that was put up for in the past. And I haven't gotten real deep down into it, but it was indicated to me that we certainly could allocate some funds to help with that, wherever that comes from, from our end. So those discussions have been had. We just need to continue to move forward with them. OK. Maybe I should have beyond. As I hear the question, I don't know if it's ever been asked before, not in my presence, how it was funded. And I kind of honestly thought that it was a volunteer kind of operation that was done by the grassroots. But there may be promotional money that the city could spend on a publicity event, which it doesn't benefit the enterprise. So in that case, the thing to do is, oh, get Marika involved, the head of communications for the city is a pilot and a former member of this board. So yeah, that's I think a more promising answer to that question than the first one I gave. Yeah. That does sound good. Yeah, it's not airport spending. It's event spending. And I know that I have not been on this board when an air show has taken place. But there have been lines and budgets that we saw for prior years that was out of the enterprise fund. I don't remember how much it was. I know it's been done in the past. That's about all I've got to add there. And that's kind of where, as I've been digging and looking and I found probably this exact same budget items this last week that you were looking at, as we're getting into that. And that's kind of what I brought up. It said, hey, here's what we gave in the past. And we could potentially do something like this with a overtime increase, percentage increase. And so far, I've gotten nauseous and like, well, let's start talking about it and see what we can do. So nothing set in stone. No promises have been made. But there seems to be a very open, positive communication about it. So we started this. Russell, you said you've been doing it by default. Yeah. And Melinda. And Melinda, from a board perspective. Please excuse me. Do you want to continue doing that, or are you doing it by default? I mean, I will continue doing it. OK. Mr. Dean. We talked about the day. We talked about the hours, what time we were expecting it, from what time to what time to go to. I don't remember discussing that, how long it's going to be. It could be weather dependent, but typically you'd start in the late morning and go through the lunch hour. Depending on how big the air show is, three or four hours. So like 8 to noon, 8 to 2? The last couple I've been to, Melinda can probably say what the Longmont one was. But just the last two I went to in Kansas and Nebraska started around 10. And they were a little smaller, so they might finish up at 1 o'clock or something like that. But 7 AM. See you in 7 AM to 2. So when I'm saying 10, that's when planes are moving, I guess. The whole event has to start early for parking and things like that. So if you're talking about when the first person shows up at the airport, it's going to be early, but it'll be a late morning by the time that airplanes start flying around. I definitely remember getting up at the crack of dawn to get out to the airport to be the government representative. And talking about these detail items that Mr. Dean brought up, stuff like that wins a time, stuff like that, I would probably highly recommend that Russell, you and I get together. And we start building a core. If we're taking it seriously, we're going to start building a core of people that can tackle the individual items and meet on more than a monthly basis, probably. Because it's going to take a whole lot of work to get this done in on time. So I think just making my staff comments here, I think it would be positive to get together, start building a team, and really reach out there. I've done some preliminary. I've directed a tenant already who reached out to me, to Melinda, so hopefully he's serious about helping with the air show. I had to reach out to Marika. I haven't gotten any promises from her necessarily, as far as what she'll be involved. But yeah, building a good, solid team and really start working on it hard. Well, the good thing is I got a bunch of stuff from Dale already, and he put together a lessons learned. So I've got three pages here of, basically, hints from what they learned from the last year. That's really helpful, since we're so many years apart. There's a little bit of knowledge lost there. So I'm glad Dale did that. That's really, that's wonderful. And Russell, thank you for agreeing to be a leader there. Given Colorado Open Meeting Rules, we can have another board member who's doing that alongside you. Would anyone like to? Mr. Dean. I'd be happy to help. Okay, thank you. And that's to be clear, not to the exclusion of any other board members, but means you guys can actually meet and work through this. And then we can continue to have discussions and board meetings with the whole group. Okay, anything else on the air show right now? 2023 work plan is the other thing that's listed here under staff comments. Levi, you and I had a brief discussion earlier this week around this. Do you want to maybe kick off kind of what we were thinking? Yeah, so just having a brief conversation about, you know, looking at the year ahead and kind of what we as a board might want to tackle. So it's honestly kind of related to that first item ideas for future agenda items, I guess you could say. But what is our work plan going to be for 2023? And just kind of trying to get the discussion started on that. So I certainly, you know, we talked through absolutely bringing the sustainability resolution back. We talked a little bit about grants that the city is, I guess there's a new resource in the city and so being able to have a better discussion around that and what opportunities there might be, how that ties into a CIP air show, obviously. Yeah, knew that would be a big one. I know there was something else that I'm blanking on that we talked about. I'd have to check my notes back in the office too. Yeah, my notes aren't here, which is not helpful. Does anyone else have anything they'd like to make sure that we include, oh, RFPs for hanger developments? Oh, yes, absolutely. Oh, yes, we talked, that was the one. Because I think if I recall correctly last year we'd actually picked an individual to help with that and then we had to put those off because of some of the least concerned issues and stuff like that. And we had to have a solid one prior, approved prior to moving forward with any of that. So we'll need to probably go through that election at some point again and pick someone else to help review RFPs. Vice Chair Robison. Thank you. I found my list, I think, which is probably similar to what you guys were talking about. Since Steve is not with us anymore and I have forgotten, what ever happened with Southside bathrooms? Did we get some or what's going on there? So the last kind of where that hung out was cost estimates were prohibitively expensive for putting in a solid bathroom. So kind of to give you some insight into what we're thinking at the moment as we are hopefully moving forward with development on the Southside sometime soon. And we would start having that conversation when the next development starts having, could we work that into a potential projects there that could save us money as moving forward, as plumbing's going in, as water's going in. Perhaps we could even work that into a deal with someone who's construction and the lease agreement, you know, hey, we can do this for you as part of your construction at the end of your hangar, you put in male-female bathrooms and then we'll provide this, this and that. Do we have something we can offer them that would be fair in return for them building as a bathroom? I mean, all leases are negotiated. And again, that's kind of what we've been talking about this whole thing. So just production and rate is what you're thinking. It could be, you know, hey, look, I'm spending, if I'm putting this bathroom in, I'm spending an extra $100,000. And I say, okay, we're going to, you know, this was your lease and your option to renew. Okay, we're gonna give it another five years or whatever on your option to renew. There's all kinds of things we can do or promise to provide. Again, it's always a negotiation. Is that kind of what we're looking for as far as the work plan? Is these kind of bigger ideas that we went through a list last year? I think it is some of that. Absolutely, it's, we've had a discussion a few times of what are the topics we need to make sure we're covering for the year. And so yeah, it is that and that does drug my memory that I think Steve is the one who volunteered to be on that RFP review. Partly to make that part happen. So we'll absolutely need to bring that back and get somebody else involved in that. I also see the annual report was supposed to be Melinda and Tellis. Oh well. So since we're talking about work plan, if you guys could talk about kind of have your ideas and thoughts, if you could get that to me then next month I can bring a work plan back to you and hopefully we can kind of get that approved for moving forward. I think we hit the main point, sir. I do too. Thank you. You did drop one memory there, Levi, about getting you notes. If anyone has anything to contribute to the annual report as people are going out and seeking the input, please send it to Levi. We don't have city email addresses. The easiest way is to get it to him and then he can disseminate it. If you have ours, that's fine, but I would just say by default, Levi is a great point to get it to the rest of us. Council Member Martin. Yeah, just in terms of the work plan, this is something that I've been lobbying for through strategic integration, but I think it's really important to have early transparency in terms of grants. What are we going for? What's in the queue? There are not just individual grant opportunities, but a prioritization of subjects that we want to pursue because it's strategic. There's only so much capacity to manage a grant once it's been accepted, because there's work, right? You don't just get to just spend the money, you have to provide assurance that the money's being handled properly and that the work's being done and all that. And it's not just the FAA, there are many other available sources. So the Council and the EDP would both be very interested in having a window into that. So just a suggestion. Okay. I would echo that interest. I know you're just starting to work with the grants folks in the city, but what I bring it up, that's absolutely the objective, is hearing about some of these opportunities and to the extent we should be informing council, advocating to council that the city's pursuing them. And we have been looking at some options and stuff like that. We haven't necessarily started pursuing it. Of course, there's ones that we have to make sure that cities willing, ready to do before we pursue and stuff like that. So that's a big thing, but very excited to meet and very excited that indeed that the city now has a designated grant individual. She's bringing a lot to the table and she's bringing a lot of stuff that is kind of outside the airport world that we can potentially utilize on the airport that she has really good knowledge of which hopefully will benefit us in the future. Levi, Phil, other staff comments tonight? I don't know. I think that covers this. Do you have anything else? All right. Okay. With no other comments, we'll adjourn for tonight. Thank you, everybody. See you next month.


Brad here with reinforcer establishing effect, which is a reinforcer that has been withheld from an individual for a period of time that makes it more valuable. So for instance, I'm in the Sahara Desert for three days. I'm going to find water extremely reinforcing that period between when I showed up in the sand with all the heat and lack of water to the point of getting water that is the establishing portion. Another example would be being disconnected from social media while you go on a camping trip for two weeks. Coming back into civilization, you would find all the notifications and want to fulfill all of those because of the attention and social mediation of reinforcement that period between camping and showing up you're being deprived of all the access to all the individuals and friends and family and all that.


الحمد لله رب العالمين له الحمد الحسن و الثناء الجميل و أشد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له يقول الحق وهو يهدي السبيل و أشد أن سيدنا و نبينا محمد صلى الله عليه و على آله وأصحابه والتابعين لهم بإحسان إلى يوم الدين أما بعد نهاية الأسئل، نبدأ نتحدث عن الصفات لازمة، صح؟ أماما، نمتلك الصفات إلى كيف كثيرا؟ ما هو الصفات الأول؟ صفات لازمة و صفات عرضة و الصفات لازمة، نمتلك الصفات إلى كيف كثيرا؟ фильت هذا الصفات، ما هو الصفات ليه الضعضق كثيرا؟ و التي�� إبه كثيرا؟ suppose that it is not likely ما هو الصفات فإن that one is right صفات لا صفات ذاتها، بنفسرهاِ we haven't got to that one yet نهقد ح Elaine ما سنحن نحن ندفع لغة ، في المجموعة العربية ، ماذا يتبقى حمس؟ لقد نتحدث عنه، ولكن إن شاء الله تعالى ، أعتقد أنه أفعله أفضل للجميع ، لكي تفهم ، إن شاء الله تعالى لذا ، الحمس ، لغة وصطلاحا ، ما تقرأه مجموعة باللغة وصطلاحا؟ لننقرم فxajar ، لغة وصطلاحا ... الشدة لغة وصطلاحا، الرخاوةоп ، لغة وصطلاحا الاستعلاء لغة وصطلاحا، الاستفاظ ، لغة وصطلاحا والتباق ، لغة وصطلاحا الانفتاح ، لغة وصطلاحاeremiض! للغة وصطلاحا ، الله يبحث عنهم ، 就� news لغة وصطلاحا لنقل في العلم العربية وكما تجميع المسكولات تجويد ماذا يفعل لهم؟  ما يعني الهمس لغة؟ ما يعني الهمس لغة؟ لغة يعني ما؟ حقاً لعربي. ما يعني الهمس في العربية؟ العربي يستخدمون هذا الهمس. ما كان لهم before؟ الخفاء. جميل. نحن نتكلم ذلك. خفاء. خفاء يعني ما؟ لتكسيل شيء. لتخيل شيء. هذا ما يعني. ما يعني إستطلاحاً؟ نعم, تكنيكلي. ولكن ما يعني تكنيكلي؟ يعني العلماء تجويد. المساعدين تجويد. عندما يستخدمون الهمس. ما يعني بها؟ لذا قلنا. جرايان الهمس. جميل. جرايان الهمس. عند نطقه. اتكلم هنا. ما هو الهمس؟ ما يعني الهمس؟ إنه جرايان الهمس. نطق يعني ما؟ نحن. نحن. جرايان يأتي. عند نطقه. عندما تتكلم. عندما تتكلم. عندما تفاني that letter. عندما تو接下來.. عندما تصlegen that letter. عندما تقذ ستتكاء it. أعطيه. من الهمس، أنت روت إشتر. نعم. ولكن فقد قررونه .. من اجل of those 10. جميل، نتسiel. يعديدهم ذلك. نحن أيضا겠어. إستطلاح. والسرح بم what؟ روح سأعود. تو كيم. about the letter. حسنًا، الثالث هي حرف، حرف المهموث، ما هو حروف المهموث؟ فهذا هو الشخصون؟ سكت سكت ما هو حروف المهموث؟ فهي هي فحثة، فحثة هو شخصون؟ فحثة هو شخصون؟ سكت سكت سكت and what? how many letters do we have? you can write it فحثة هو شخصون؟ سكت if you want but also if you want you can write the letter how many letters did we say? حروف المهموث؟ let's count one two three four five six seven eight nine ten the first letter is what? what's the first letter? the first حرف المهموث is what? also حا حا ثا ها شيم خا صعد سيم كاف and تا are we all together? are we all together? okay so we've taken وليلله الحمدو ولمنة we've finished the first صفة صفة الهمس we've taken it we're now gonna go to the opposite of hams ونطق بالحرف I mentioned it what did I say?  نعم what's the opposite of hams? what was the second character? صفة ثانية I wrote الجهر right? now we're gonna go to الجهر the difference between الجهر is what? جهر is the opposite of what? الهمس is the opposite of what? الهمس if it's the opposite of الهمس the only difference is جرايان نفس the only difference is حمس there's جرايان ونفس the air comes out لكن الجهر is in حباس ونفس you imprison the breath it can't come out that's the difference that's why it's opposite so let's now go to صفة ثانية we're gonna go to the next one which is what? صفة صفة we're gonna take صفة we're gonna take صفة ثانية صفة ثانية صفة ثانية okay three things we have to do what's the first thing? لغة what would you say لغة what do you mean? الإعلان وظهور الإعلان وظهور إعلان وظهور means what? to make something apparent is that understood English? إعلان means when you make something out and clear it's announcing something are you there? نربي الله محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم when he was in Mecca was his da'wa جهر was it الجهر or was it Sir when Muhammad ﷺ was in Mecca was his da'wa open was it announced was it public or was it hidden? in Mecca it was what? it was hidden so this is called دعوة سرية دعوة it's hidden da'wa لكن his da'wa became later when he went to Medina what? الجهر why? public he announced it he came out عليه الصلاة والسلام so pay attention here are we together? الجهر means الإعلان وظهور الإعلان وظهور is to bring something out and make it public and that's what it means in the language in the language the Arabs that's what they mean الجهر are you there brothers? جهرية صلاة الفجر is what? you're making the recitation here what? الإعلان وظهور you're making it apparent you want everybody to hear what you're reading that's why it's called صلاة جهرية لغة إيمين الإعلان وظهور الإعلان وظهور the second one is in حباس what did we say last week? did we mention it? is in حباس it is to imprison and it's to arrest where? in Arabic what do you say? prison how do you call prison? it's another name have you ever heard of حبس? حبس is prison as well حبس we arrest somebody and you imprison them what you're doing to the breath is you're prison you're holding it down you're not letting it come out are we all together? yes in حباس is to withhold جريون نفس the pronunciation the breath عند النطق بالحرفي عند yes عند عند النطق are we all together? it's in prison it is to not let your breath come out when you're pronouncing that letter when you're articulating that particular letter do you know what? don't breathe in حباس okay pay attention now what are the حرف of جهر what are they? oh nice man you're sharp you're sharp kid man it's any letter other than the what? it's mashaf for us it's any letter other than حفه شخصن سكت those ten that we mentioned anything so it's alif با لام and etc are we with anything other than these ten or what? الجهر repeat that again okay I will repeat it it is any letters other than what? other than these other than حفه شخصن سكت okay we're now going to go to صفة ثالثة today I want to finish the ten today I want to finish the صفات التي لا ضد لها what did we say? what does it mean? القوة right? so now we're going to go to صفة ثالثة we're now going to go into what? صفة ثالثة which is شدة we're going to now go into صفة the third the third is شدة what does it mean? القوة القوة means what? powerful strong so these letters are what? they are strong what does it mean? إستلاحا it means إن حباس جريان النفس عند النقب الحرف yeah it's the same the only difference is that this one you have to say with strength you pronounce it with قوة strong what's the letters in this one? أجد قاطين بكت so حروفو is what? أجد هيقا قين با كت so the first one is what? همزة جيم دال قاف طا با كاف and then تا صفة ثالثة the third characteristic that we're going to go into is what? الشدة الشدة الشدة اللغة what does it mean? what does it mean? it means القوة what does it mean? إستلاحا it means إن حباس جريان النفس عند النقب الحرف are we together? and what are the حروف of شدة أجد قاطين بكت همزة جيم دال قاف با كاف and تا we're now going to go into صفة الرابعة okay what does it mean اللغة الرخاوة what does it mean? the word الرخاوة in the Arabic language means when something is soft we're going to come to that yeah إستلاحا means what? what does الرخاوة mean إستلاحا what does it mean according? it's لين الحرف it's that the letter is soft okay لباع فيه due to what? it's due to its weakness وجريان النفس عند عند النقب عند النقب when you pronounce الصفة الرابعة the fourth صفة is الرخاوة الرخاوة what does it mean اللغة what does it mean according to the Arabic yeah we're going to come to the letter let me repeat this again الصفة الرابعة the fourth the fourth صفة which is what? الرخاوة اللغة what does الرخاوة mean? it means what does it mean? it means soft and light okay don't ask me again the word اللين means what? soft and light and it's light اصطلاحا means اللين الحرف the letter is light why? لباع فيه because it's weak it's a weak letter وجريان النفس when you read it you also breathe inside it عند النقب الحرف when you read this this letter so it means اللين الحرف the letter is light so light letter due to because of the weakness of the letter وجريان النفس and you breathe when you pronounce the letter so it's a weak letter light letter due to its weakness due to its weakness due to its weakness وجريان النفس when we pronounce it and yes you breathe when you pronounce it okay yeah the reason they say that the رخاوة is weak is is when then it prevents the sound for example when the letter comes out انه حرف باعين فيه لم يقو على منع الصوت من الجريان معه it's weak because it cannot stop and it cannot prevent the breathing coming out so when the breathing comes it cannot stop the breathing you can't it will come out there's no way you can stop it its letters are 15 and it's other than the شده that we took how much was the شده 8 right تمانية أحرف 15 is left from the Arabic alphabet right and then تواسل takes part and then رخاوة takes part okay how much does the تواسل take 5 لين عمر will come to it does everybody understand this now the حروف of the رخاوة is what it's 15 letters so what you do is you memorize the شده and you memorize حروف التواسل how many حروف التواسل 5 لين عمر right لين عين ممر right لين عين ممر right we haven't taken the وصل yet we're going to take it now so it's so we have what the 8 from a شده plus 5 and then what's left is how many the alphabets 15 is left 15 is what الرخاوة this one I just mentioned it now how much was the شده what was the شده أجد 8 letters right okay رخاوة is between what شده and تواسل it's the opposite of that تواسل in the middle we haven't taken تواسل let me mention the تواسل تواسل is not a سفع تواسل is not a it's not a سفع don't write سفة خامسة we're not going to do it like that it falls under what under رخاوة تواسل is what pay attention it's a secret many people get tested on this رخاوة is the only one that has two opposites the rest they only have how many opposites رخاوة has how many opposites 2 was the first opposite a شده which we already took what's the second opposite تواسل تواسل is how many letters 5 what does it mean so it's لام نون عين مين and what all of those 5 letters so this how many opposites does it have it has a شده and it also has what how many letters was the شده 8 what were they أجيد قطين and تواسل was what 5 what were they لين عمر what's left now in the alphabet 15 is left 15 is what الرخاوة حروف رخاوة is what محمود yeah yeah you can do it like that is everybody with me now we're gonna go into the fifth one yeah لين عمر because الرخاوة has 2 opposites شده and what التواسل sometimes they call it بينية between which means the same okay شده is 8 we took it أجيد قطين بكت and the توسل we said it how many 5 what were they لين عمر لين عمر huh لين عمر how much now are we in 15 left the 15 we said is whose so whatever is not لين عمر and that is not أجيد قطين بكت what is it أجيد قطين بكت أجيد قطين بكت and لين عمر anything other than that is what الرخاوة let's not repeat that too much we're now gonna go into we're gonna now go into the fifth one أصفة أصفة أصفة الخامسة we're now gonna go into the what صفة الخامسة means what we're gonna now go into الاستعلا الاستعلا what is استعلا it means لغة it means الارتفاء and what الارتفاء والعلو الارتفاء means to go up and العلو is to go high and استعلا means what high how many how many letters five yeah we're gonna come to it now خصة ضرط قض okay we're now gonna go into استعلاح what does it mean technically what does it mean استعلاح ارتفاع because remember استعلا means to go high right what's going high the tongue the tongue is going high so it is ارتفاع it's that the tongue is going high the person's tongue is going high it's ارتفاع the tongue is going up عند النطق بالحرف it's ارتفاع the tongue is what it's going up to where حلك means what حلك means the roof of your mouth الى الحلك الاعلى عند النطق when you pronounce what the letter that's where the ارتفاع comes from now you see the Arabic language it's the tongue that's going up so we understood where it is لغة استعلاح we took where it is now we need to take حروف one second let me just finish حروف and it عند النطق بالحرف when you pronounce the letter the حروف is what خصة خصة ضر ضر ضن قض it's خصة ضر ضن and then قض let's take it خصة is خا and what خصة is خا and what خصة is خا and what خصة is خا and what صاد and then we have ضر ضر ضر ضر ضر ضر is what and then we have ضر ضر how many letters seven letters those are سبعة أحروف and that's why يبو جزر he says وسبعو خصة ضر قض he says حص يابق مقدمة جزرية that's a good book man it's after what yeah so we have it خصة ضر قض does that make sense everybody yes no beautiful we are halfway now we'll stop there insha Allah anything which I have said that was wrong incorrect is from here Shaytan and Allah and his messenger are free from it سبحانك اللهمة بحمدك لا إله إلا الله أستغفرك وأتوب إلي