Welcome back to the 21 convention 2019 of Orlando, Florida Our next speaker you can find a free domain calm He has over 600 million podcast downloads and about a million YouTube subscribers and in my judgment He's one of the greatest living philosophers alive today. He's also dedicated to reason philosophy and saving Western civilization Gentlemen without further ado, please let me welcome the stage. It's to fan Molly new Thank you, thank you Thank you so much Really really appreciate it you guys can hear me. All right Good good. Okay, so I'm gonna introduce you to my superpower and My superpower is something that I kind of discovered at an early age I'm gonna pass it along to you so that you can use it to really help the world the superpower is really fascinating because we live in a post Philosophical society we live in a post reason society in a post evidence society and it's really fascinating how we've got rid of universal ethics and Replaced it with insanely complex Vicious judgments. There's an old saying that says if you get rid of the big laws You don't get no laws. You get thousands of tiny laws and that's the case There were ten commandments. How many commandments are there in woke leftist culture? 10,000 and counting so once you understand That Nobody has any values objective values. I mean there are there are Christians which I respect and that's great but in terms of the public square it's dominated largely by post modernists relativists subjectivists Neo Marxists outright Marxists and it's all power. It's all power and manipulation So the see the superpower Which I'm gonna put on full display today is this if you don't have a problem with what you're saying Other people are like Okay That's a very very powerful thing Because I've had it commented to me many times that I can say things that other people won't touch with a ten-foot pole and Walk out like some superhero from the smoking rubble, you know Luke Skywalker style just brushing stuff off my shoulders and that is because if I don't have a problem with what I'm saying It's really hard for other people to have a problem with what I'm saying So with that in mind I will demonstrate the superpower and listen Let's do a back-and-forth here because you know, this is just a high big high-red screen unless we're Participating so you know throw your hand up and if I ask for feedback or whatever feel free to yell out But this is the superpower. I think particularly in this room at this convention there are So many of us who have so much to say to women and We don't Why because we're scared And and I'll tell you why we have good reason to be scared so this speech is Everything we want to say to women now. We only have an hour So to speak really fast sound like faxing but no, so we don't have a lot of time So I've tried to really sort of boil it down to the essentials But whatever I miss, you know, just let me know and we'll we'll talk about it Also, I'm gonna do a workshop this afternoon at 1 30 just you know I do I've done a call-in show for like 15 years So just you know come and we'll talk philosophy about whatever you whatever your issues are Whatever you want to work through we'll do that and that'll be a lot of fun a very powerful. I'm sure so I'm gonna generalize Just brace yourself. I'm gonna generalize because you know There's this rule on the internet and in public discourse that you say here's a general rule Here's an exception. I know I know Men on average are taller than women. Oh, yeah, I know a tall woman and That's how you take discourse out back of the woodshed and put a bullet in its head So yes, I'm gonna generalize and and not you guys so much But you know whenever this ends up out on the web people are gonna be like exception exception exception exception It's like I know I know I know But we're gonna we're gonna do it anyway because you know we're talking about men and women and their generalities to be right so the first question is and You guys let me know what you think. I don't think I'm alone in Being scared of telling women the truth. It seems to be if you ever follow my Twitter account, you can see that stating basic biological and evolutionary truths appears to be attempted to dry hump a wasp's nest The guys who laugh are the guys who've tried it So that's like vivid personal experience, right? I'm not pleased to see you. I just humped a wasp nest earlier You know that thing I love about life because I never know what I'm gonna say So I see things like that and sentences.  What do you what do you think? Why is it? Why are you nervous? Could get heated okay, they won't accept it what else they will freak out Yeah, based on what evidence I'm just kidding. Just kidding. No, what they want to shoot the messenger, okay? Anything else? They won't Okay, so it's like, you know teaching cha cha to a meerkat or something. Okay, all right anything Okay, but that wouldn't be fear that would just be like why bother, right? So is it fear of blowback is it fear of being attacked is right But you know women are smaller in general and you know, it's it's online. So they're not like in the room right with some machete So I think that there's a good reason why we're scared Because women Can Kill us and I don't mean physically. I mean genetically because we're talking about the West here, right? So in the West Consent has been the norm for Reproduction for thousands of years You know, we don't wrap our women in a bag and keep them in the house, right? At least I hope you don't So what can women do to us? That's so terrifying Well, they can say no They can say no Do you know what percentage of men throughout? History have not reproduced 60% any anyone else Are you from are you from Saudi Arabia, I'm just So it depends where you look at but the number is around 40% of men did not reproduce now that sucks Like yeah, I think what is it 3 billion 4 billion years of evolution? And think of all that struggle, you know, like some single-celled organism eyeballing the open air saying all right We're gonna make a break for it. We're going out of the ocean.  Tell me what you guys think why on earth do men go to war?  So there are those wars where it's like, okay, I regret I gotta pull out my sword to go fight or whatever, but you know like Syria Kuwait Iraq, I mean just like why why why did guys go to war? Why do you think I mean so so I remember thinking about this as a kid, right? And now there's the draft and all of that But I think it was in the First World War hundreds of thousands of American men's just said you want the draft? Here's my butt and they just didn't go not much happened Why why did why do men go and fight in these useless wars? It's not like they're well-paid. Yes deep pacification that certainly is a Brazilian wax I think it's going to be Should I bring more of my inner sensor to bear on the conversation or not no, okay Okay. All right, then I'm gonna just start okay Okay, so yeah, you don't want to be called a pussy, right? Okay. What else why why I mean you risk in life and limb trauma To preserve life. Well, yeah, but it doesn't I mean really you know war in Syria and Libya. I mean this doesn't preserve life, right? Honor okay honor right that's fair. Oh, yeah, cuz all those Libyans were coming over in canoes, right? But yeah, that's what the story is right sorry But the soldier doesn't have power because the soldier has to take orders Right the illusion of power. Yeah, now I would say you guys know you're woke enough, right to these issues You know about the white feather campaign You guys heard this any how many people have what happened you have Okay, well real brief then so a man can be killed with a feather. It's amazing thing It's an amazing thing and I'm not just talking some like Swedish BDSM thing, but or am I? No, I'm not so a man can be killed with a feather because in the first world war Everybody was in like the British were very enthusiastic. Why because there hadn't been a war in Western Europe since the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 the Franco Prussian a little bit here and there, but So everyone was like, oh, I know what war is War is like all those paintings that we see there's a white horse. You're charging.  It was gonna be over by Christmas. That was the word right 1914 Oh, man, it's gonna be over by Christmas. I gotta get in there and get my stories and get my medals and my heroism spoiler It wasn't over by Christmas my first world war just went on and on and really was the greatest catastrophe to hit the Western world ever ever Wiped out almost all of the economic gains from the industrial revolution. So all those kids got black lung for nothing and after a while People were like I don't really want to go like it.  Let's just play football soccer It was terrifying to the powers to be that people might realize they have much more in common with the people across the trench than the people high up at their power structure So men didn't want to go So enlistments just cratered so women Would take a white feather and they would walk up and down the streets And if they saw a military aged man who was not in uniform, they would hand him a white feather, which was a symbol of Calidus and this was terrifying to men now this makes no sense when you think about it, but then it does So it makes no sense because like ooh a feather Sure, I'll go get my ass blown off in a trench But here's the thing The reason that men go to war Is because women won't sleep with them if they don't that's it and this motivates so much of what we do And it's not crazy and it's not neurotic. It makes perfect sense evolutionarily speaking. Let's say you go to war and let's say You have a 50% chance of dying But if you don't go to war, no woman will sleep with you For the continuance of your genetics. Is it better to go to war or not? Better to go to war. If you go to war, you got a 50% chance of passing on your genes If you don't go to war, you have zero percent chance the passing on your genes That's why we're scared Because all the men who said I don't care what women think Offended an upset women where they were like, no, thanks boy. Sorry. We're closed. They used the old, you know the old You can get birth control for ten cents Just hold it there So if women said we're not gonna sleep with you if you don't fight you go fight Because then you've got a chance to continue your genes. Otherwise it ends right there. So we're scared now Do you guys do Twitter? Just hands up if you do Okay, so on Twitter, there's kind of like a cliche like if you upset women What are the women say? In cell right involuntary celibate, right? Who hurt you? What else you live in your mom's basement, right?  I suppose that's the install thing, right?  They'll say Ladies here's a symbol. Here's exactly who you should never date They'll broadcast it out across the gyno-centric undertow network, right? Don't date this guy Right, that's genetic death.  I have no problem with that Of course women should be able to say no to anyone and everyone that they want But let's at least recognize that that's a very powerful thing and all the men who said I don't care Offended women the women didn't sleep with them and that indifference was weeded right out of the gene pool Right, so we're scared because we're smart and we're scared because we're these blind photocopies who want to make more of us and We need women to do it So that's why it's hard to tell women the truth because if they get mad and they tell all the other women and remember our brains We don't know that there's more than a hundred people around Because we grew up in these little villages these little tribes little farming communities and so on It's like Armish Horizon world To our lizard brains, so if women start the slander campaign against you You're done so you can't anger women except today Maybe it's because I already have a kid maybe it's because I'm very happily married I don't know but I have the capacity to so so these are the things That I think we we should talk about and I think women should hear Because it's one thing to have the genetic death power. It's another thing to have the sexual power It's another thing to have the outvoting men political power out living men political power. You put all those things together and The great danger is you create a generation of vapid self-obsessed narcissists who explode into two-year-old tantrum toddler Explosions of verbal abuse whenever they're Omnipotent wills across And we want to make sure that never happens in the future because it might it just might so In no particular order This is what I think women need to hear number one the wall takes no prisoners What does that mean my friends in the front is a sell-by date your ex are gonna die and And this all the power nature balances out right all the sexual power that women have When they're young Falls off a cliff in extraordinary rapidity now Here's the thing though is that when met when we're young and we have less sexual market value than women supply and demand hormones and receptivity We can if we can screw up for a while and I'm sure everyone has I know I have you but then you can recover, right?  What are you gonna do for 40 years? I think that's a reasonable question It is and and because I don't have a problem asking it people get mad and I just think it's okay Like this how you toughen up, right? It's how you toughen up. I remember when I was a kid You mean we all have the same I had a Scottish teacher of a gym teacher, which is barely a teacher, but Then he had this, you know full-on Scottish whiskey tobacco breath and all of that right and I remember getting my face slammed into the Wood on the ground during wrestling and you know youth walk it off, you know Walk it off. It's like it's my face. I don't walk on my face. Anyway, but of course, you know a girl stubs her toes They're like nurse, right? It's just I don't know. It's a double stand. It's which are kind of inevitable, right? but there's a wall and By the time the woman figures out that there's a wall. It's too late and That's you know, if we care about women and of course we should Then we have to remind them about the wall. It's important. I Mean, it's not just important for women's happiness But if we like this crazy little thing we have called the civilization you know we're gonna need a baby or two and reminding that and and Oddly enough one of the most Interesting and powerful courses I ever took I did two years of English literature before I went to theater school Then I finished undergraduate and graduate in history, but in my English literature course. We did Victorian novels Right sounds boring as hell right, but it was incredible because these Victorian novels and the pre-Victorian novels were basically written with one aim in mind to remind women that they the power that they have Will not last and they need to choose the best man they can in the bloom of their youth and sexual beauty Because it's gonna fade and just remind remind remind train women and also train women how to Spot guys who are unreliable, you know like the rakes the guys who use women and just toss them aside and the pump and dumps and the You know dine and dash kind of guys right to train them how to do that Because now women seem to have completely lost the ability to figure out the good guys from the bad guys and we just need to remind them Because do you guys remember what it was like before puberty right like before?  Okay, I guess his sister can come along right Because it was a drag, you know I used to play because I grew up in England in the 70s and we used to lick this war obsessed right second world war We played war games all the time right and Occasionally not often, but the girls would come like we want to play, too And it was like we don't need a nurse because it's all you want to be we heal with man magic and It was a drag right it was a drag because you know it play tag, you know the girl gilly run right? it's just It was kind of a drag and it was like a negative right and then suddenly It's it literally was for me like one day girls are like Yeah, and the other day it's like girls girls girls girls girls girls girls You know like this tsunami of hormones just jets up from the base of your spine and turns you into a monomaniac and It's like it's like well. It's possession Basically, it was an ancient Greek philosopher who said what he loved about being in his 70s was he finally felt free of the demon of last and I'll tell you something Even at the time I Don't know if you ever have this thought even at the time when the all of these hormones are coursing through you And all you can think about is girls At the time I remember thinking to myself If girls are so innately appealing Why do I need all these hormones? It's a big question, isn't it? It's a big question You know if you've got some guy some friend right and you only want to hang with them It's if he's flying you to Cabo for the weekend your friend at some point is going to say Why do I have to keep flying my friends to combo for the weekend? Why don't they just interested in me? Why don't they just like me? It's like you're a douchebag, but we like Cabo and I remember that like girls going from kind of annoying to like the reason to get out of bed and The morning the reason why I had to pretend to pay tennis to explain my carpal tunnel. I mean all of that Take a moment So When you get that full-on geyser of hormones that just makes you think about girls all the time There is that question like and and you lose your reason. I mean you really do man This is why philosophy became very important to me because if I just surrendered to hormones You just you just washed up a cliff. We all know guys who just like smashed up against Female narcissism or whatever. It's it's really brutal. I mean it's crazy stuff What's the craziest thing you did in your teens to get women's attention or to please women? I'll give you mine. Why not? That's all the craziest. So I had a math test. It was really really important and I had a pencil and the girl in front of me turned around and said Hey, can I can I use your pencil? I had one pencil. I said listen, I don't want genetic death. So here you go. I Gave her my pencil Whereas you know like a year earlier if you're like, hey, you don't have a pencil No, and it's weird because I look sitting there at my test like literally thinking can I gouge my finger and Write in blood to the answer to this math question But that's how insane it becomes Can't say no can't upset the ladies. It's genetic death. Ah, you know, I can survive Without doing well on a math test, but I cannot survive Women saying no to me, which is genetically completely true All right, anybody else got a silly story about Crazy things you did to impress women. Oh, I got another one. I've had a friend of mine's place and there were these two gymnasts okay, sorry just having a private moment there were these two gymnasts there and They were showing how they could like I wouldn't do it here, but you could like Hand head down like a tripod and your legs go up on the wall And of course, you know, they do this and their tops, you know, you see the bellies and his gymnast taughtness and all that It's like very attractive, right? So I'm like, oh I could do that Now I was a runner. I was a swimmer tennis and I was not any kind of gymnast I have the flexibility of your average slab of sidewalk so I Do this and I take I figured the best way to do it is to take a run at it You know to get some momentum. What did I do? I just put my head through the wall That does not get you extra points unless you've got a lot of money for the Russian judges but So this is just crazy stuff that you do to to get and keep the attention of women and then there's that fork in the road, right?  You know, this is stuff I've talked about on my show the R versus K selection you can look it up if you want on my channel, but I Remember there was this girl really really nice girl And the sad thing is I actually remember all of these names even now like I don't know close to 40 years later Really nice girl. She played the cello and she had a t-shirt totally nerdy cello power really nice girl You know we chatted really great conversationalist, right? But then there was this really hot German girl Now, you know going back in time, you know, you know the sensible course, you know good mom for the kids You know reliable steady good support system great friend and so on. It's like yeah, but but German Harness, so of course I go out with the German girl. Why apparently I like being ordered around and You just make all of these crazy decisions and that's the power that women have and of course they know it But they don't want to talk about it explicitly Because it's kind of humiliating To say men need me not because of the innate qualities of my character or the virtues that I've earned or the great conversational abilities I've developed or the knowledge I have accrued But because they have excess fluids They're like a submarine that needs to surface dump the fluids dump the fluids That's kind of humiliating and so it's not talked about that much I Did talk recently on Twitter about makeup because I mean you guys probably know all of the etiology of makeup right the makeup is Designed to simulate sexual arousal right so lipstick when a woman gets actually aroused I can see it in the back Just kidding.   What are you like bringing a full-on forearm boner to a business meeting? You think I'm joking But it's it's it would be it would be wildly inappropriate for a man to bring signs of sexual arousal to a business meeting But women do it all the time All time And they don't like to have it pointed out because once you see the magic It's not magic Knowledge is power when it when with regards to female manipulation. Do you guys know what high heels are for? Sorry Longer legs. Yeah, but I mean I don't know that men particularly care about longer legs depending on your sexual position preference or whatever right a couple of telephone books, but Sorry Yeah, what it does.  Which you know it's fun to do too, but so it's again just designed to show sexual attributes to men and It's cheating it was not cheating and dating I mean all fair and love and war But I mean it's wildly inappropriate in their business context So yeah, I mean I think it's important that if women want equality Which according to some of the paperwork I've seen from some time ago. They have some interest in Then you can't you can't do the cheating at the same time as the equality, right? And that's something the women need to hear That's something because excuse me if a woman Relies on her sexual attractiveness, you know, we're we're mammals You know when when when you get home like if you're driving your long drive home, right? You get home. What do you do?  And so what we do is we do enough to get what we want and we don't generally do more Right if you order a big Mac, they don't give you five, right?  So we do just enough to get what we want and if women have this sexual power and and makeup and all of this kind of stuff heels and then They'll get what they want and they won't do most won't do more Which means that they're missing out on all of the qualities of character that they could develop that are actually long-lasting and Good for raising children and good for being a great partner or a great business woman if that's what she wants to be So by giving women all of this power, we're taking away the qualities of character that they could develop in the absence of that power It's like a kid What's almost literally like a kid? What is it some kid just became a billionaire at the age of 14 or 15 because his parents just gave him over a billion dollars? You think he's gonna be working fast food anytime soon. No Because now he's got the resources. So why would he work that? That's why it's you know rags to riches to rags in three just shirts leaves to shirts leaves three generations, right? First generation works like crazy second generation Works less third generation blows it off It's a churn. It's a cycle Once we have stuff we stop striving for stuff once we get home We stop driving and if women have all of this value because of hormones and makeup and sexual manipulation and so on we're robbing them of Quality of character Which we need because as you know trust between the genders trust between sexes is Kind of catastrophically low at the moment and that's because women They have this crazy tinder swipe They have all of these online apps so they get all the male attention that they want in relative security and the media Doesn't tell them about the wall When was the last time you saw a story on TV in the movie theater anywhere even online a story which goes something like this I wasted my youth.  I lost my capacity to bond.  Well, it's not true, of course It's not true. It's just a way to It's cougar propaganda, right and It's just not it's not true. It's not true And of course if you say well a woman's sexual prime is in her 40s because she's had so much experience like that Alanis Morissette song about all of her former lovers It's like yeah, I know I know why it was called jagged little pill because that's a whole lot of antibiotics to be taking But you don't hear the story of the woman who's like, oh my god, it's my late 30s. I got to go find a man I'm almost like the shop is closing for babies. I got baby rabies Got the fever I want a baby and now I've got to start trying to attract a man When I've been working a desk job making useless spreadsheets as a form of affirmative action hire for the last 20 years My butt's wider than a stew to bake her and I'm starting to get a mustache You want some right? I mean and and who's left? right, who's left in your 30s Some quality. I mean I met my wife my 30s. So again, these are generalities, right? But who's left in your 30s? It's like it's like me going to California now With a tilly hat and saying hey, I hear there's a gold rush Right. Sorry man. That was picked clean a long time ago all the quality people snapped up and off the market It's like a really great used car. You never see it on the market Nobody's gonna sell it So you don't see those stories the media hides the wall From women and you get these ridiculous stories like there's a Bridget Jones diary story I watched just for like pure anthropological research where this kind of chunky neurotic alcoholic woman in her 40s has two billionaires Desperate to be the father of her unknown child and it's like oh my god I mean there's fiction and then there's just outright fantasy and like I'll believe in orcs before I'll believe in that Here's another thing that women need to hear a baby Is not your body don't you always hear that you got life growing in your belly. I can't imagine I Can't imagine.  I get bloated. That's what I'm saying anyway So Growing a life. It's not your body. Do you know that the baby can have a different blood type from the mom?  I'm out of here. I'm done, but this darkness man I hear there's some light out there. I hear some cool sounds Music I think is out there.    No the world is overpopulated It's not wildly overpopulated by smart people Lots of not smart people. You know the opening seemed to idiocracy that previously known as Fiction now known as documentary footage We're like the low IQ people are just like baby baby baby baby because they're not sitting there going Well, but the long-term effects of the baby on the co2 of the atmosphere They're like I was horny Protection what am I a pussy?  I'm gonna have to see what happens with my IRA So, yeah, well, it's not wildly overpopulated by smart people And if we're gonna have lots of not so smart people having babies We're gonna need a couple of smart people to figure out how to feed and Clothe them and give them health care and all that so yeah Overpopulation here's another thing that ladies need to hear for the vast majority of you That's not a real degree It's not a real degree Do you know that the vast much well a significant majority of the debt student debt is held by women, right and What did they study? Gender studies right because you know we want to break all the stereotypes, right? Because women choose to get involved in fields where they deal with people and men are more comfortable with abstractions and computers and Physics and math and all that kind of stuff, right just fine nothing wrong with it And we know that this is not the result of patriarchy Because the state is based basically matriarchy that was going to be a marital speech I thought this would be more fun, but We know that because in places like India when women don't have a lot of freedom they go into like computers and they go into being doctors Researchers and so on right, but then when they get more freedom and wealth increases, and they're more choices. Where do they go? Social worker psychologist teacher teacher teacher teacher So when they get more choices they go into more sex segregated fields Now some of them are real, you know, we need teachers and so on although it'd be nice if they weren't just Marxist indoctrinators But that's a topic for another time But it's not you know for the most women. It's not not a real degree now again I say this but see here's the weird thing is that I got a degree and a master's degree in history the history of philosophy specifically But I was able to weirdly monetize it on the web, right? I mean that's like that makes no sense at all I couldn't have predicted that in the early 90s when I graduated.  I'm just gonna play the lottery. I Won That's what you should do. No, it's uh It's crazy. So it's they're not real degrees and here's the thing So I remember once going on a date. I met a woman at the gym and I went on on a date with her nice nice nice young young woman, but She was telling me How in debt she was from her student loans, right and it was gender studies and all that right so I'm a man, which means I'm a resource manager, right? What do men do we? protect them we provide We protect and we provide and these are the two things that the government has taken away from us Which is why there's male suicide depression anxiety in an opioid crisis We can't provide for our women because the government does it for us, which means they can treat us like shit And get our money anyway and When you take people's money by force You end up having contempt for them because otherwise you feel guilt for being parasitic It's a basic fact, right? You'll notice that the welfare state became before the general condemnation of men in popular culture the men are idiots man Because you have you if you can trick women into taking stuff from men by force through the power of the state Then automatically women will start to denigrate men Because when you're exploiting someone You can't think of them as Great or good or noble or heroic or you can't think of them positively at all You have to denigrate them so you can exploit them. That's why the devil bribes and then The distrust mounts the hostility and the hatred mounts So I was looking at this woman. She's $17,000 In debt now this is that's a lot of money now, but back then it was even more I was like I don't know double or something like that and And you know the thoughts went through my brain pretty clearly Okay, so it's 17,000 bucks. That's after tax money. So I got it earned like I don't know like 30,000 bucks To just pay off this woman's debt if we get married. That's gonna be my debt. I want to have kids It's gonna delay kids by what how long does it take to pay up to make it pay off 30,000 bucks for quite a while So it's just like you know Hey, I'll buy you a coffee, but that's it, right Because we're so when when you laden down women with these crazy dads For degrees with almost no economic utility or negative economic utility if you count the debt It's a form of population control. You understand that's taken the smartest women putting them in school Training them to hate men be useless come out with debt and then men don't want to marry them And but people don't talk about this because there's endless propaganda Go to school go to university go to university gotta go to university. Why? Well because Marxists love nothing more when they claim that they don't want to exploit the workers Then propagandizing Workers into paying for their own indoctrination into Marxism It's a horrible horrible scenario My daughter and people say well, where do you want to go to university and I haven't talked to her about this much, right? And she's just like university I Read There's the internet like well, I mean university now I could understand you know back when only 10% of the population went to university now It's like 40 50% so it's not a real degree Because and here's the thing too if it was a real degree you could handle being disagreed with you could handle being disagreed with a Story I read when I was in my early teens Was about a guy who was he was who wanted to be a swimmer He was a teenager wanted to be a swimmer, but he was bullied off the beach by the mean kids So he had to go to some other beach where there was this terrible undertow it was really cold There were rocks and that's where he had to train because he was being bullied off the nice beach and Then of course the story is that he he went and won every competition. Why because he trained under adversity Right where the muscles come from resistance, how do you sharpen a sword sparks? The sand wheel heat pressure if it was a real degree Women would not get upset with being disagreed with It's not a real degree for the most part again, there are exceptions It's not a real degree for the most part because you're not being challenged. How do you? Corrupt a man how do you corrupt a woman because the powers to be they want us all corrupted and dependent and uncertain, right?  Which is really insulting to women, right? Like all I can come up with is saying no But how do you corrupt a woman when you corrupt a woman with excessive praise? You corrupt the woman with excessive praise because it makes her hyper sensitive It makes her very difficult to disagree with and when women look disagreeable men don't want to marry them at all And that's how you corrupt women and Sometimes it gets frustrating as a philosopher to look at men at this addiction to status like men status and domination and so on And that's you know, but there's really upsides to that like why we have this room is like some some guy wanted to get laid So he built a room to impress a woman. That's great. You know, we we can We can use the the products of his sexual display to to have a conference and talk about ideas and so on So this for men the great weakness is status But for women the great weakness is vanity because it comes with that massive surge of tsunami male attention when they're young and attractive and If you continue to praise and praise and praise women They become Hot house flowers. They become very over delicate, right? There's an amazing thing which you should really really look up I'm sure you know this guy Detochville was a French aristocrat who came to America and wrote an amazing book Called democracy in America. He was originally coming to just study the prison system being done up examining everything And you know the most amazing thing that he said Was this he said the great power the greatest power of America is It's women. Can you imagine saying that now? But why? why was Femininity female nature in the nascent America in the frontier in the West. Why was it so? Noble so powerful so strong It was well, no welfare state healthy voluntary relations between males and females Challenge, you know, we are you know like hamsters in a wheel and you know, you know that they're not getting anywhere But they just like it so when we remove challenges from our life. We don't end up being at peace We just end up inventing challenges So women's great challenge, of course is to choose the right guy So she doesn't get pregnant out of wedlock and destroy her life in the absence of a welfare state, right?  Oh, look, we've taken away risk for women. I If you get pregnant out of wedlock, we've to magically turned babies from liabilities into assets That's reversing the entire evolutionary course of human life So we've taken away risk from women Married the wrong guy in a problem. You can divorce them and take half of stuff or more In California, what is the law like if you've married a woman for 10 years, you've got a supporter for the rest of her life Not overly strong and independent Close but not Not over so we take away risks from women and we add risks to men, right? Because men now have to fight massive taxation. That is like the welfare state is basically the single mother state, right? So we take away these challenges for women And do they say wow, this is great.  We don't get peace We get artificial war now. It's not Childbirth and maybe I married the wrong guy and now my kid has polio now. It's man spreading and mansplaining and Like it's it's completely ridiculous. I don't know if if I don't know if we can actually survive plenty as a species I don't know if we can survive success as a species Okay, one or two more and it'll be I'm sorry It was gonna do a bit more of a Q&A, but we'll do the whole thing this afternoon at 1 30 I've got like two hours. We'll just do a back and forth, but here's the other thing that women need to hear There is no government law That can make you as economically productive as a man Sorry, like I mean you can shoot the message all you want is a fact and I look I've been a manager I've interviewed probably a thousand people. I've hired probably a hundred hundred and fifty men. I've done the whole gamut. I know where I speak Can't do it. Why? What's the challenge? Sorry, well, so yeah some lack of testosterone, right? When did you stop listening? Okay, that's fine. So why why are women economically less productive than men? They choose different fields. Well, I mean some of those skills you can learn right? So there's some stuff, but yeah, there's a certain amount of aggression and we've been kind of trained to fight and now Co-operative it's called that you cooperate and you fight right together as the capitalist model, right? So men are sort of trained to be aggressive in a fight because in the past like if you if you killed, you know one I Don't know. I'm not a hunter at least haven't you kill one deer, right?  The other guy's family is hungry. So we're like We'll fight We fight women happen evolve that way women have evolved to basically be protective in numbers around the death magnets called toddlers We have had a baby like stairs That's why I had to sign they knew I was a guy up here. That's why I had to sign something I had to plunge off the stage like Steve Tyler side, but but So women have evolved to be more nurturing and women are statistically they score much higher in neuroticism Which sounds bad, but it's not because you have to worry about toddlers.   I've done it for a long time and women call in yeah I started to be a doctor and then you know After I had my baby I Just wanted to stay home And I'm torn because I'm glad she's staying home breastfeeding kind, you know eye contact skin contact great for babies But at the same time no concept. I've had lots of women call in with this Topic and not one woman has said this But I'll tell you this I feel really really bad that society spent a million and a half dollars to train me as a doctor And I'm not even practicing Not one well, I feel better at home you see and That's the end of the story and it's like I just see a Guy coughing up his lungs on a sidewalk because he can't get to a doctor because we're missing a doctor Do you know how many female engineers? I wanted to study engineering, but now I'm in sales now I do pharmaceutical like it's real estate, you know because Engineering doesn't care about your lipstick, but if you look good on a park bench, you can sell a house, right? So society as a whole is pouring a lot of money into training women who generally often don't Do what they're? What society is trying to know if the woman was paying her own freight It's like okay, it was your money or whatever right, but as a taxpayer You know we men you know men are way net contributors to the tax system and women away with drawers From the tax system in the modern democracy is just a gino gino centric vote buying mechanism for women the other thing that I wanted to say the women need to hear is Empirically you all not that attached to your kids Empirically you're not that attached to your kids Evolutionarily speaking we can understand that So a woman who was not at all attached to her kids wouldn't take care of them the kids would die genetic dead end right a woman Who's overly attached to her kids?  What happens to her?  I will fight to the death to protect them those genes didn't last So women have to be both attached to their kids and willing to cut that attachment on a dime If it serves her genetic survival And again, these are just harsh conditions of evolution right and that's why women tear up over hallmark piano Images of babies and mothers and cuddling and so on But then after Roe v. Wade. It's just like a firing squad for fetuses Right is it 50 million? 50 million so you see now the West is underpopulated so we need to bring every one in from the Middle East and Africa Too bad only we had 50 million people here, but you see women Look at the baby of course the fetus as an inconvenience in their dating situation Right, and I'm not saying it's not emotionally difficult and all of that But I'm talking about sort of the end choice and what we empirically know if women cared more about their children Then some politician would come up and say sorry ladies. We're in debt. We cannot afford all these social programs We have to cut back.  I got him his shots. God help us and Wiped his butt and made him baby proof the house so I want that kid to have economic opportunities when he grows up So yes, we've got to do the responsible thing Because I love my children So this debt is catastrophic the unfunded liabilities in America 180 trillion dollars So if women really care and men have a deficiency in this too But we you know they don't have as much sentimentality about the mother like the father child bond as a mother child bond But if women really cared about their kids, they'd be marching in the streets saying hey man these schools are terrible This debt is absolutely unacceptable We cannot vote To enslave our children for the sake of avoiding the occasional tough decision in the here and now that's wrong No, see women can't do that because now there's so many single mothers that if you cut back the welfare state They don't come with free money for their boyfriends So to help with the kids It's mommy's needs that matter and there's evolutionary reasons for that But we got a strip away the sentimentality and say listen men want taxes to go down women want taxes to go up because women take taxes and men pay taxes on average and The reason why we can't have a reasonable government the reason we can't have freedom It's because mama needs the money and doesn't care how it affects the kids the last thing I'll say Since I enjoy speaking my mind, and I hope that you enjoy it as well Free speech man free speech is The whole reason why we have a civilization The whole reason every progress that we've had, you know property rights to end a slavery Universal suffrage whether it's progress or not remains to be seen But all of these are intensely horrible at the time.  Threatening well, I mean, it's in Europe. It's in Canada.  Female suffrage. It's an interesting question. I have a theory. It may not shock you to know And the theory goes a little something like this Women not super great at debating women Not super great at admitting they're wrong Now if you want to get engaged in societal debates, and you're not very good at debating, but you can't admit that you're wrong What do you want? To silence the opposition to not have certain questions raised If you can't answer The argument and you can't stand the argument censorship is what you want and When I was growing up and I debated and fought ferociously on all these moral topics with my friends even from sort of mid-teens on But some of them went on to become professors and lawyers and so on, right? We never thought of bursting into tears We never thought of being offended like that would be embarrassing You know, I can't answer your argument on couple punishable We'd never thought that's a really good argument about the benefits of colonialism, but I bet you have a tiny dick Can you imagine I? Didn't even cry at 13 when my Dungeons and Dragons character got killed So I think that you know occasionally I get called a misogynist Which is not an argument. Of course, right? It's a really really great argument about the welfare state But clearly you hate women No, see the thing is I actually love and respect women the real misogynists are the ones who withhold the truth from women the ones who pander to women out of fear the ones who doom women to a life of lovelessness and loneliness, you know 25% of women in the West are on antidepressants after 40 About same proportion of childless female alcoholism is on the rise Do you know it's an amazing statistic and I think it's even bigger than what is claimed a third of women Would prefer being diagnosed with cancer to being lonely a Third of women would rather and I had a cancer diagnosis. I would have chosen loneliness myself, but that's just me, right? Because you know, you can be lonely, but there's nothing lozier and lonelier than being in a hole in the ground, right? Hey worms yay, but We but by withholding the truth from women, we're not treating them with respect.   There's no transmission of Western culture That's it. It's done Do women love their children enough? To vote for smaller government. I think it's possible Do we love women enough? To save everything by telling them the truth. I'll leave that in your hands. Thank you for your time Thank you The red man group this is the second episode of the final convention of the decade In this episode, we're gonna be wrapping up. What it is that we we've gone through since 2010 to 2019 Where we're going in the future. I mean, this is the 85th episode of the red man group The final one you're gonna see during the convention on live I'm looking forward to going through this. We've got a monster panel lined up for you and Towards the end, maybe we could slip in a Q&A to my right all the way. We've got Alexander Juan Antonio Cortez Jack Donovan Tanner Guzzi Stefan Mollin you Ivan Throne George Bruno Pat Steadman Phil Foster and Ed Latimore Now there's too many men here for me to go through all their websites and what is their offering? So Google the name you'll find plenty I want to dive right into this one because we've got a lot of ideas up here a lot of different perspectives And what we're covering is important because it's not about what we're doing today It's about where we're going, but you don't really know where you're going until you know where you're coming from So before we kick this one off. I was asking the panel, you know Who's been in this space, you know really deep in it from the beginning and we came to the conclusion that it was Jack Donovan So Jack from 2010 to 2019. What would you say is the biggest evolution you've seen in the in the Mansphere this men's movement that we have going on of ours Well, obviously more infrastructure. I mean there's more people talking about that Tenor and I were just talking we started seeing the first websites And it was just kind of angry guys who were you had just gone through their first divorce and they were like, hey Something's wrong in the world. Something's not the way the the mainstream narrative about masculinity and so forth isn't What is real and it's not what's working and it's not what's working in the dating world and all that so forth And but what's really changed is I think Hey with you know the infrastructure and obviously a huge conference That you can come to and people traveling from all around the world going to Poland all that but Also the shift towards positivity You know not just like oh, what are the problems in the world? Let's focus on the problems in the world Let's focus on the problems in the world's let's Do something about it and start something positive And so I think that's that's a really good evolution because as long as you're focused on the problem You're focused on the anti and there's no pro There's no light to move towards and so that's a really positive evolution of this I like that something that you said one time was you know You can't just be reactionary because all you're doing is echoing the response to them And I know point you creating anything original and actually Tanner if we were talking about that how there was a common theme here Where every speaker came up when they were talking about the need for action, you know Let's not talk about the theory behind everything, but what can you do with that information? So do you want to talk a little to that? Yeah, I think that's obviously that ties into what we've been doing here But I would say that even ties into what my experience has been I first remember stumbling on to this corner of the internet back in 2009 so I've been involved with it for a little while too and to echo what Jack said there was a lot of yeah There's a lot of resentment. There's a lot of negativity. There's a lot of confusion and in the last 10 years We have seen more men taking action. You see men not just focusing on here's why life sucks why I've been lied to But it's okay. What do I build? How do I make myself better? How do I make myself better? financially and physically and with my relationships and with my own understanding of who I am and my mindset and everything else and so it is there's now the momentum of building and Doing as opposed to just resenting or theorizing and so it's really cool to see that that momentum is now working for us instead of against us That's awesome. I'm gonna toss it your way Phil so this is This is the final convention of the decade and you've attended the previous 21 con and as you see these movements going and you see You know being able to see the next phase the next year of men coming together What do you see this year that you liked about the convention the speeches that were had, you know the content that was delivered Well the content that was delivered was definitely a lot more positive. I would say this time around definitely centered more on Straightening men on a path of success, you know not Being so much of the the pickup situation as it is to how can I figure out a way to? progress in life and win so What I like about that is it's every facet, you know the single men in here the married men in here the father's the divorce There's something for everyone. It's the total package It's not like this cookie-cut caricature. We're all trying to live to and that brings you to Pat your first time at 21 con So what was the experience like man? It's very positive Very very positive experience and I think that you know one of the one of the things that I see in the big shift from some of the you know prior content I had seen just in the last year was that we're really moving towards a theme of the sexes win and lose together and You can't have this idea of men and women being oppositional to each other. It's not good for either sex It's not good for society and that men need to build themselves up They need to learn how to become men so that they can have relationships with women And build the future rather than just try to take from the other sex. It's not transactional We're moving towards a higher level of thinking It's almost like working together. We can win together. That's right. You can't I mean the society can't exist with men and women Against each other and that's a big big shift game rid of that those those negative messages That was kind of in the trench warfare. I think that we're we're transcending past that building a positive vision for the future It's interesting that we've not had this discussion prior to but the Sentiment of just hope and the place to go and seeing the light is being echoed by all so that's that's pretty cool That wasn't planned Stefan another first timer How did you enjoy this so it was good the question around sort of the last 10 years 2010 to 2019 I was thinking about that in the first image that came to my mind was an enormous pile of cocaine No, really and and the reason for that.  You divide the cocaine for something comprehensible reason, right? So you split the cocaine goes into different things, right? I'll get there. Just just be patient I would already be there if I was on cocaine So cocaine right so you divide right now when you stand for something what happens you divide the world You're not Moses in the Red Sea when you stand for something. What do you gain? You gain great enemies and you gain? Great friends. That's the price for standing for something. It's an old quote from Churchill talking about a younger talking to a young MP in the House of Parliament in The lead up to the Second World War and he said you have enemies good Good, that means you have stood up for something Sometime somewhere That's what happens when you stand up for something you get great friends and you get great enemies at the reason I'm talking about this at a men's rights conference. I think it's a specifically male attribute to be more comfortable with being hated in the pursuit of virtue and That's what I see here. I mean, we've all probably been lied about or slanted You know, you can go take a look at my Wikipedia page and it would be something like they write that about Satan and be like No, that's too much man. That's Come on, that's too too much right socialist took it over or slanted like crazy and then lock the whole page It's all garbage right but that's a badge of honor because it means that I've stood for something and I've I've annoyed and angered and Enraged exactly the right people, you know and so That I think is one of the things I get out of these kinds of conferences is standing with other men and women who've stood up for something and who have divided the world into friends and enemies Into allies and enemies and you know if we're not willing to make enemies We can't really achieve any good. It's like being a doctor and saying well I really want to cure people, but I never want to annoy any illnesses Not gonna work right so I think what comes out of this kind of solidarity is you know It's okay to be hated In fact, it's a good thing to be hated by the right people and you can guide yourself that way So when you stand for things as we all know You will gain your enemies and you will gain your friends and then you gain something called virtue an Identity and a strong effect on the world which is all worth it Well said and I think that ties in very well taking action because when you take action you'll you'll find conflict People will stand up against you and then you'll see well. Are you willing to take the next action? Are you willing to continue down that path whether it's success and people start saying why are you eating healthier? Why are you working out? What are you obsessed with? No, I'll keep going forward now to tie that into cocaine I'm gonna think that somehow I'm the party guy The only guy who needs a straw for his water You know What he was saying with what Stephen was just saying about having the enemies I remember last June when Alexander and I spoke with Mike Cernovic up in New York, New York State and I talked about it on social media and then one of the more liberal friends of mine was like Oh my god I can't believe we speak with Mike. We can't be friends anymore and then I wrote a post about this and I said short of it coming out That like somebody was dittling kids or something I'm gonna do what I said. I'm gonna do and your pressure is not gonna have an effect on me because what type of message would I be sending to the world if I cave because Somebody decided they didn't like I was sharing a stage with to which I had another person right back to the Mungo You know, it's all good and all well, but I think I'm out too and I'm like, I don't even like I mean I know who the person is but I'm like, we don't even talk I mean He's gonna let me know right but I think that is the biggest change Over the past decade is that we are big enough and we are influential enough and we are Making enough of an impact plus the internet has gotten huge for social media that we have real enemies people who are attacking us Wikipedia on social media shutting down platforms We you know when you when you have that kind of power, you know You can gauge somebody's effect by the quality and the caliber their enemies and you were making good enemies Certainly powerful enemies and that is that comes with a risk, but it's not it's not a real risk I think I think they're all ghost. I think it's think the paper Tigers in a sense And this is where the real work is done. You know guys come together and get together in person So that's my experience over the past and you're about what's changed most is that we're really on some radars now And that's a that's cool though. Well, that's not like I mean I don't think anyone's gonna come up and put a few in us, but like you never know and If it gets it at it's crazy, but it probably won't it's just we've got good enemies Now and we're making an impact Excellent and George you're someone who has been a vocal proponent of this convention You know my first one you were there and it was just Since then it's one of those you've passed on guidance You know some mentorship and helped me along the way figure a few things out How have you seen this convention go from what it was when you first became a part to what it is to where you think it's going Yeah, I I Wrist by saying that I'm I am coming from a place of joy. I'm tired of fighting I want to put my weapons down and live my truth rather than just Blab it out and Just because you don't get immediate results From your beliefs or your actions doesn't mean that they're not correct. Sometimes you have to persevere doing the right thing And if you are mocked By certain people they might be the right people You know you like who said to be hated by the right people I I like that and I never embraced that before they belong to this organization I I don't want to say I feared the people that hated me Uh and it bothered me it used to keep me awake at night now.   Respond to something like that.  I think I do believe that um We all agree on enough stuff to be unified I don't believe we are all in lockstep with every on every topic But we we have enough in common and that's all we need. There's no real deal breaker There's no real deal breaker here and I don't I feel the same About all of you guys here like you know, I know we don't see eye to eye on everything But I'm so cool with that because we reflect Or I should say our audience reflects us You know my gray hair I I thought I was going to be the geyser of the group and then I started seeing other geysers in the audience And it I'm like wow, what are they doing here? And then I had to look in the mirror and say wow, what am I doing here? Uh So I think it's going in the right direction We are diverse in age race sexuality Status in life, but we all have the same goal and I love it That's all it's you know, we call again the gang back together But every time there's new faces showing up, you know new new perspectives that are coming in and during my speech I actually brought up there's no right way to live life So you just own what your path is going to be and someone that that kind of helped me better understand This is actually a j because when I first got my first hate brigade because I copied his list and put it out And that was the first time I felt like you fool First thing you did But I was like real death threats and I'm like, whoa This is twitter like what and he was the one who's like, hey man Here's how you separate that and don't let it bring you down if anything You know use that to build yourself up because now you're sending a message out That's going against the the narrative which is against us So a j how have you been able to maintain that you've had multiple And it's like you smile more every time it happens So sick I don't consider myself a high level provocateur. I could run with the joker theme, but I'm not the joker But that said that in mind. I realized Many many years ago when I was in high school that there was A certain level of subconscious dissonance between the world as it appeared And the world as it really was and I couldn't tell you what was the right way to go about solving that I could see that things were wrong And I realized at some point time that comedy or this really satire You know to serve us hit things where it hurt the most where their insecurities were where Where was where what was behind the curtain was hiding if you could hit that you could sort of reveal truth that way And that's not always sophisticated. I wouldn't characterize myself as being very You know articulate in doing so a more like a blunt instrument I'll just strike something and hopefully there's pain there and we'll find out if it hurts me back a well But you know in doing that if you want to play that role of trying to be a beacon for something Let's say beacon for truth and you're trying to live your life as a man where you actually stand for something You're not captured by the modern world and sucking you dry You're gonna have people that don't like you now You're gonna make enemies you're gonna come into contrast and come to conflict with your friends your family your loved ones Your work that will happen And I think for a long time the mana spear when it kind of started out It was a lot of guys that were very much in the shadows They're sort of like living like the runes of the modern world and they can see that things are wrong with the dating market They can see that things are wrong with what they were taught They've been unsuccessful the women which by definition you're unsuccessful at life itself and like you know things are wrong But it's very disjointed. It's not cohesive at all and over the last 10 years We kind of evolve into some sense of cohesion work. Okay. There's like-minded men There's also people that think like me and this is affirming.  How do you handle that?   What's really bothering you? Most things only last for a day a week. I've had mobs come after me for a week straight I hope you die.   You don't forget about it And they all do everybody does because Hate feels good in the moment, but you know in reality we live in a world where nobody actually really wants real conflict You know this doing this is not real conflict If you really don't like me come fight me. No one's ever taken me up on that You know so you know for yourself like we're having a discussion Yeah, if you're gonna be a man, you're gonna say anything especially publicly Be prepared to have people not like you but that's also the affirmation that you've made the correct enemies So good. Good. Like that's all coming learn to thrive on that energy.  I get to talk to all the gentlemen here I get to interact with people every day where I know I've possibly affected them and it's done something for myself I'm gonna virtue a cycle that way, you know from the outside outside outside of your misogynist hater nazi I'm Jewish by the way, which is funny. You can you can say all these things The actual reality the concrete physical action.  Oh, okay, that's it No, you know, it's it's sort of funny like I got my first hip piece. I think in 2008 and It's funny because it's like you're in a war and there's all these bullets flying at you And you're like, oh, I'm doomed, right?   You're like, this isn't actually real. I've told control over this I think that plays too to the men here, you know, this this only works because actions taken from those who attend You know, and that's the worst part is when Anthony does great takes great sticking pains to ensure all anonymity is maintained That your everything about you is maintained unless you want it to become public He does not a lot. He blurs faces. He protects information this hotel venue everything He ensures that there's nothing that's going to happen to you and the problem is when people attack the 21 convention You're the best product But we're not going to share that at no point did he say to defend my brand I'm going to throw you on the fire in front of me When the whole world came crashing down against the 21 convention at no point to even consider Hey, look at all these testimonials. Hey, I can show you lives that have changed He didn't do that and that says something to yourself as well because many men stood up So not only was he looking out for you, but you guys looked out for him I saw many go to his aid and I think there's something to be said about that and that brings it to you We over the years How have you seen the caliber of men change that have been attending these conventions? So I've said a couple of different things on one hand the Growth that I see from the man who come they attend they take part they do the work they make the friendships. I got the knowledge it's it's a beautiful blossoming to see hope and joy and what the future brings Replace the cynicism and resentment that can be such an easy trap for people to fall into The most important part of that in my opinion is Talking about action right actor non-robot right it's an action. We're all talking about that The cynicism is the little sister of despair. It is a paralytic Cynicism prevents you from taking action. It's not worth it. Nothing real is good cynicism is Death now of a masculinity and manhood and To me it's so It's such an exponential leap forward The resentment cynicism despair those things are rejected By what the 21 convention stands for we are healthy strong powerful unapologetic That's how you build empire. That's how you build culture. That's how you sustain civilization speaking the truth taking action not wallowing hurt feelings or fear So every man here that I've seen that come in some of them I repeat attendees. They've been here before some of them are here for the first time and the idea of challenging the narrative is terrifying because it's such an Omnipresent thing and all of our media everywhere They're not giving in to cynicism and not paralyzed. They're doing something with it from that world is at your feet When you look at the men the repeat, you know for men who've been here before when you see those guys come in They're looking better. They've lost the weight.  This isn't the finish line You know and when you look at guys coming together, I mean, there are a lot of groups popping up There are a lot of men that are forging friendships outside of this and they're meeting up in between the major conventions You know, I think that's one of the the greatest steps. We've made in the right direction Is you can only sit on twitter for so long and you can only talk and make youtube videos And spend six hours a day talking about what the true red pill is for so long at some point You've got to go outside At some point you've got to go meet a man and you're sitting near men, you know And those in the live audience those are they're going to be watching this, you know You got to get off the screen and go meet the man, you know There's nothing there's no greater accountability than having to show up and standard these men because they're judging Hey, are you better than you were last time? If so Fist bump if not We got to get to work. How can I help you? And I look forward to seeing more faces heading forward But that's going to lead to where we're heading with this so 2020 brings an election season It brings picking your brain to that one It brings the patriarchs retainer will be the chief patriarch It brings 22 con, you know, and it also brings a total closure to what are those we're doing here All the men you saw on this stage all the speeches given all the all the dinners all the meals We've got another one tonight You know hang on to that because if this chapter is closing we're moving on to the next I want to toss it your way I want to give you the the patriarchs. I'll let AJ go with the 22 con So okay, so 20 or so patriarch patriarchs I'm excited about this idea and obviously we tested this out this year and it went really well because moving away from the idea of despair or the battle of the sexes and The idea of resentments or these other things and if we really want to be able to Build a culture to be able to make it something that's appealing and inviting as opposed to just reactionary You have to have families This can't just be a thing for men. This is not a men's rights thing. This is not a reactionary movement It's not anything else like that It's an alternative culture To the ugliness that our current culture continues to wallow in and debase itself toward And so the idea of helping men become better fathers helping Helping boys before they ever even get to the point where they get broken Helping daughters recognize what good men are and how they can marry them and start families with them You build civilization by doing that kind of stuff And so i'm i'm genuinely excited that that's the direction in which we're moving that there's optimism I'm excited to see what we're going to be able to do as far as creating culture with Art and clothing and music and all these other things that we're going to be able to do Because it's no longer just in the trenches doing the battle I'm going to get what I need to get and then get out, but it's optimism. It's future. It's family It's fraternity. It's all these other things that actually make this enjoyable And something worth doing and I think an event like patriarchy is a really good jumping off point for us to do something like that I completely agree and actually before we moved on phil You're going to be joining us the next patriarchs, aren't you absolutely You got the the call today that he'll be taking the stage with the rest of us. So it's a good one father of a daughter And it's interesting and that kind of segues back to 22 con Is rich graham said in the last red man group He thought there'd be a market for couples to go to this we're both working on each other Now we're running 22 con the same time we're running patriarchs That means you're going to have an all male group on one side all women on the other side How do you see that playing out and do you think that'd be beneficial for couples to go and learn how do you see it going down? Yeah, I have no idea honestly as to how that will go down go down. I think there's definitely I don't want to say a market But there's this oftentimes this vast oversight by Not just the man of spirit large that meant large By the men at large that women don't care to learn about men And the realities that women are fascinated by men and the vast vast majority of women wish they understood men better And I've seen this play out in the So the romantic market the last decade and a half where Women can tell that there's a dearth of authentic masculine men But even when let's say they find them or even when they're trying to find one They don't know what they're looking for which is one and two. They actually don't know how to interact with the man They're they're bad And they know they are but they don't know what is sort of the right way to go about changing that It's very similar to the men that you know find the red pill. Okay. I've had Ineffective low tension this unsuccessful relationship with women. I've been taking advantage of I'd like to change that But then you have to rethink what you understand know about women, which is subsequently Rethinking what you know about yourself Really assessing your image of what a man is Women kind of have to go through the same process now that said Obviously most women they tend to be more resistant to let's say self-improvement change You know, they allow women self-improvement. It's it's your great your princess We could go on about that and it's easy to find about but for those women who really want to try to do that deeper work Where do they go to? You either have to find Yeah, I guess a woman who's gone through herself or you have to find a man who In essence sort of takes the place of a father slash big brother figure and they're going to show you the model of what a man is And I think 22 con can perhaps sort of fill that space. Hopefully Yeah, that's my aspiration for it. Somebody has to you know Also, we've got the 2020 election Stefan, how do you see that impacting? What are this? We're doing and where it is. We're going I know they covered it briefly on the last one, but I really want to dive into you know, that's Tensions are going to be high tensions are going to be high and for those of us who are online You got to build up your alternative platforms because it's going to be savage out there In social media, it is going to be I mean, I've already experienced that this year I just would lead up to the canadian election But it is going to be brutal suppression and censorship out there in social media So, you know build up your alternative platform says but shoot this gab this minds lots other places where you can go Get used to engaging with maybe a more alternative audience because you're going to need A lifeboat or five, you know this this coming year because they know they know what got trump in was Social media, right? I mean was was out mainstream media hated him. Academia hates him. Hollywood hates him You know in tv hates him So the only people who didn't hate him in general other than the people who voted for him were the people in the alternative media so the You know that the Marxist the leftist they didn't spend 50 years infiltrating the mainstream media and academia and hollywood In order to hand over that hard-won power to social media. So they're going to work very hard to suppress Those voices and so for those on social media get your alternative stuff for those not on social media Or for those who don't have kind of like a show or something well Most people are very uncertain most people are very malleable And most people will conform to the strongest will around them Right, so I think of people like salmon and you're like the current You ever see the salmon in the river the the the stronger the current the more in line The salmon are now it's good to be right. So be right when you're at the current But don't be afraid to flex your power and get people to conform to a stronger correct Will it'd be nice if everybody responded to reason and evidence And we could just sit there with our charts and our data and and graphs and all that and Have changed people's minds, but that's not the way that people work human beings Do not respond to reason and evidence in this postmodern universe as a whole I got a whole presentation called the death of reason about this on on youtube for now and So just given that the reality that people aren't going to change their minds based on reason and evidence You have to be very strong willed and you have to just stand the line People will fall in line and will do the right thing They won't know why they're doing the right thing and to them it might feel like conformity But it's kind of like this if you're a doctor and you're in some primitive village where people believe That the ghosts tell them how to get well and so on, right? And you've got a medicine that's going to cure some illness, but people think the medicine is poison What do you do you say? No, no, it's the ghosts who are telling you to take it And people are like, oh, okay. It's the ghosts who are telling me to take it. Okay. Well, I'll take it So they get cured so you have to kind of dip into the anti rationality of the world to get things done It's just the reality and those I mean I've made this mistake You'd be the purest on reason and evidence and you just spin your wheels in a mud So recognize where people are be very strong willed once you validated your own prospectus be very strong willed And people will mostly fall in line There'll be some who'll fight you for a while and they'll some people who will reject you But if you're in the right Don't give way an inch Don't give way on anything and you'll be absolutely surprised how many people will just fight you and shrug you and fall right in line Look to give a follow-up your way actually So a lot of the men here are not going to be in this group But what do you have to say to those who don't think a politics apply to them whatsoever? It doesn't matter There's a I think a majority out there. We're like, uh, whatever. Okay, so Geez, let us start Hillary Clinton had won we could well be in a significant war by now Right. She was the one who was saying well if we believe that Russia has infiltrated our systems. That's an act of war I think she she said Russia. She probably meant CIA, but uh No, Hillary Clinton Open borders mass amnesty Massive provocations to warm. I mean look what happened in Syria look what happened in libya under barack and hillary Libya was destroyed as a functional state Now there are open-air slave markets massive tribal warlord gangs and it has opened up north africa to pour millions of Economic refugees so to speak into europe Who you vote for has a massive effect on your life. I mean think of the millions of people who have jobs Millions of men who have jobs because of donald trump. You remember barack obama with the uh Well, there's no magic wand to bring Manufacturing jobs back. We don't know how to do it. It's like well. No, you don't know how to do it That doesn't mean it can't be done, right? So think of all the manufacturing jobs largely going to men men who have a purpose now men Who are not going to be tempted by addiction men who can start to found and raise families because Trump got elected and hillary clinton did not get elected. Trump understands business He understands how the economy works.  So It really does matter, you know, there are tens of thousands of men alive literally alive because trump got elected and they got jobs because A man without a job is like a woman without love, you know, you're just dying in the shadows inside You need a purpose you need, you know, we are human doings right and human beings is I don't know for toddlers So it really does matter and you got to stand for what is going to grow the economy because if the economy crashes, man The fights that we might have around our living room and the disc The displays of disgust we might have to endure around dessert when people are like, oh you're pro this or you're pro that man if if we lose Money if we lose the economy if we lose the power grid as you can see like the brownie out of california going right now I mean half of it slipping into third world status We're gonna look back When we have to pick up a rock because our neighbor is hungry We're gonna look back and say man, I should have been a bit more forceful at that family dinner Yes, you don't want that regret. That's really all I gotta say That's well said and your point on banning, you know as someone who has been banned Ivan You know, where where what are you building to make yourself? I guess ban proof from twitter or whatever social media you're on well, you know, I'm on uh alternate Someone was upset with my response to Peter finder saying that down trump should be locked in a cage with a pedophile You know social media is in many ways a hell platform, but it's also essential to the work we do in reaching people So i'm building real life relationships and moving more to telegram groups We're in more Jats with men on those channels because number one, it's more private too. There's a lot more focus than a lot less garbage in it and relegating twitter to more of a General outreach program a platform as opposed to a training and engagement platform.  I won't tell you the whole story, but they had a fun expression for him I saw there were his army marks The spring wind below because it was just such spare just Unbridled just sheer joy of being a human being doing what human beings do being at the apex of what his culture allowed him to do And it infected the entire nation We're seeing something very similar now. That's a coat tail. That's an example. That's an inspiration. I think we can all use Keep going keep pushing Don't take any prisoners because they won't Speaking of joy ed You seem to be the guy who can always find a good time, you know, you've got the smile And you're you're like the most conflictive person to people because they can't put you into a box As soon as they say like, oh, you're in our side. He's like, no, I'm talking about that Or then you're mixing it all around on them. How have you found these binary extremes? You know, are you seeing more of that? Are you seeing less of it? Are you breaking? Are you forging new ground? Am I forging new ground so so pretty much my whole strategy What dealing with a lot of this is Is what people, you know, I I really want people to continue to look one way and why they're looking one way and arguing and fighting about one thing I'm on the other side Building up a big following on twitter now. I g where I can directly send people my mailing list all of that And and I'm not quite sure what I would do with it. But here's what I do know We're here In this event and in person and I'm a I'm a bit more pessimistic I I think that this country as we know it That that ship sailed maybe about 20 years ago. We'll go 10 and Now all that's left is the individual at some point if you can get and build up a community You know of like mind the first work on yourself and then through extension of people around you and then hopefully Down the line the next order of influences they influence their own little group That's that's pretty much at least I think here I mean I really think the the combination of capitalism And the ease of because I think capitalism is great. I don't want you guys to think I'm I'm bashing capitalism or anything like that What I'm saying is when you align a financial incentive behind a lot of things Then that's what's going to go. That's what's going to happen And you and you remove responsibility as well for actions or rather you remove the ability to be, you know Punished if you make the wrong mistake and that's what we've done We've combined those two things and I just I think culture is done.  I mean, I think I went to To seven or eight different cities This year alone just to meet up to have dinner with guys to see guys dc. Dallas, Napa Valley, Atlanta Here in Orlando And I think that's what future is going to be in person events and just finding like Monday guys to get around And build up as far as you know, none of those guys trying to attack me man. You know, I'm I'm I'm pretty smart I've been banned one I got to spend it one time and I said, you know what? What's the game plan here? What am I trying to do? What am I trying to achieve and now I know how to really play that game And and sit around and and they can't even attack me I laugh at the guys that have a great emotional control with dealing with them I won't let them ban me because I got a bigger Kind of purpose if they come after me you guys are after man y'all y'all going down Because I'm a very hard guy and you know, I get like like Plus five defense from you know on the race card always in my belt that helps so they They get me You guys got are in trouble, but I don't think they're gonna they're gonna get me at least not You know without some trump though charges condo, but that's just where I'm out there But I know they'll try to find a good time because it's a happy person It's easier to convert and grab more people if I can get you on my list You're just reading my writings. We talk we me saying yeah now I've got influence over I got far more influenced than trying to hit you with the the ideas directly I can Slowly wrap myself around you and and get get a lot of control that way But y'all should still sign for my mailing list. I'm not doing nothing in this city It's don't don't think I'm mind controlled. It's just come on in When you explain your strategy, I'm just like I just stop talking. I don't know what you're saying Oh, you have a system inside a system with a subsystem No, no, well, basically the whole goal is get as close to people's possible I mean I really feel like like he was saying twitter is a lot of garbage a lot of Noise if I can get you past that noise and we can start dialogues We can get a guy can get you in my my mailing list where I can go back and forth and just talk with you If I can see people in person and continue to get those people to in person events I think that's the only way you're going to make change change your mask.  I mean so many people If you can just talk to them No, no, they're not all going to be receptive But if you can just get a conversation going you can do a lot with a conversation and and that's kind of my goal I know pretty much I've accepted that I can't do anything in mass But if I can get somebody on the edge who are who maybe who has the wrong idea about what we do And who we are Then that's a mom we can change, you know, I don't know who was at the patriarch's edition I think it was I think it was tax maybe but he was saying that you know He was someone was arguing what i'm on twitter and then he you know Went and got in the DMs and was talking to him about it ended up selling a god ticket to come here After he was criticizing the con that's the kind of work. I'm very much into we can do that We we we got a we got a chance to salvage a few gods, but but this whole thing. Oh this house is done Listen to me You know, I think what 95 000 on twitter Something like that. All right, so let's just say 95. Yeah, there are some guys out there who are like I'm just the average dude, you know, I they can't relate to a lot of content creators Like I get it, you know, you're building the growing a lot of guys here They're they just work and they want to do events like this. They want to meet men and around you a fill That's what you do Yeah, you're up here on this panel because of the the message that you shared But you just work and I don't even I don't think you have a blog or anything. I think you just have a twitter Yeah, I just have the twitter and um, no, I don't I don't write books or anything like that and um I just uh, I enjoyed the company of these gentlemen right here I've I've actually you know seen every one of these guys speak over the last two years and It's my second time coming to the 21 con And I'm kind of like with Ed, you know, he actually came out to fort worth to one of our dinners this year You know what he was there on his own dime. It was a great. It was a great great evening And I'm under that same preference of uh, you know face-to-face. It's kind of like a gentleman in my area Like for instance my daughter's she's got a little boyfriend and her dad was like, well, where are you going? And I said, well, I'm going to Orlando and it was kind of like, okay, so I know this guy he's he's He leans right. He's conservative. He's raising his family right and I said He goes, so what are you doing down there? Is it for work? And I said, absolutely not. I said, it's uh It's a community of men that I've I found through the internet And he goes, so what do you guys talk about and I said, uh Well, basically it's it's a discussion on how men can improve their lives whether it's through business relationships society And masculinity and he goes no shit They actually have something like that and I was like absolutely So, uh, I shot him the information for the 21 con and uh He's actually interested in coming next year. It was pretty it was a pretty interesting discussion like that And I just think that uh the more that we As human beings walk away from You know, I don't I don't use twitter so much to promote things because you know, I don't live off of that but That human connection And speaking to folks and letting them know hey, there are resources really out there and uh, there really is A space even though you may feel alone To go to And these are the guys so like one of the things I've done over the past two days here at the convention Is folks that I've been talking to I've been collecting their uh contact information You know and I tell them if you need to talk about anything, let me know I'll do the same with you And I just think that the more we focus on that human interaction And build that network up Based on whatever is going to happen in 2020 as long as we are unified and not divided You know, there's so many men in the mana sphere that are just like caught in the friggin ether right now They're lost and um We need to figure out a way to get these gentlemen To find their way out of that ether and find themselves more towards a message of Positive masculinity so to speak and The position of being successful and not the what ifs and oh well, this is gonna happen if I try that You know, we need to figure out a way to To Pull them out of that ether And I think the takeaway for all here Is make that network because if you get banned off twitter if you see your content creator get you know knocked out They're not taking your cell phone You can reach out on that level it doesn't have to be through the social networks of somebody else's platform make your own Create your own little tribe, you know get your own together. Uh, phil you guys quarterly dinner, correct? Absolutely, it was it was actually Ivan's feast of war that he did in Dallas Last year christmas time was a really good time and we all Shared our contact information and we get together quarterly and we're actually meeting next saturday For dinner and cigars again So and it's and it's it's just carried on ever since that feast of war and it We're grateful for Ivan for even getting that event together because it's a great group of gentlemen Well, you never outgrow the need for the face-to-face stuff. I think a lot of times guys get the idea that You know if I get to a certain level if I have enough social media followers Or if my business is doing well enough or something else then then I then I don't need that because I can exist online And it's comfortable to exist online and one of the things I think a lot of guys don't recognize is even for us as speakers For me the biggest benefit of coming to a conference like this is getting to hang out with my friends And it's a recharge for me that face-to-face stuff for us Is the biggest advantage to coming and doing this And so even for us to try and build our own in-person tribes our own people that we can rely on our own people that Are you know our spouses or our children can rely on because the internet's not going to save us An online community is just a fledgling community. It has to be person to person It has to be face-to-face and so you will never outgrow that I was actually surprised when craig and I started the fraternity of excellence I thought that chat would be the hoe and that's where like all the ideas would be mixed And then something happened all the guys started meeting up in their own little sections because there's more men joined like Oh, I live down the road from you. Oh, you know, I'm two hours away from you And now they're all having dinners weekly, you know, these men are meeting up now It's weird to say but those are your friends, you know, and you're no longer confined by proximity And it's it's funny to see how those dots start connecting because now businesses are being started You know now now whole new groups are being formed and they're running races and doing things And it runs you about george who was connected me with many men and george you're kind of like the Hey, I know this guy and this guy. You should you should talk.  Like I I'm feeling alone. I'm the only one thinking this and you're like I've got a whole group of men you should meet Yeah, I Malcolm Gladwell talked about a type of person And he labeled them a connector And my I am famous for the question. Who do you need to meet? When I go to networking meetings in philadelphia in that area When I greet people I always ask them. Who do you need to meet? And if I know if I can make a personal one-to-one introduction I'd literally physically bring them over And meet them I do that a lot on on linkedin as well So I will say to the audience follow me on linkedin connect with me Take a look at my contacts if there's anyone there that I can make a personal introduction to I'd be happy to do that So check me out on linkedin and the same thing with all the the panel members here But what a high calling it is to connect people And I I do that humbly And I may not have all the answers, but I know a lot of guys I have all the answers through my network, and I'm not afraid to delegate I'm not afraid to say I don't know, but I know someone who does And it's A few of us have pen names a few guys put yourselves right out there And there's there's a risk to that because by by doing that and putting yourself there You're exposing yourself to the attack, you know phil's rocking the hat We've got tactical soap right here There are companies and there are men and there are people who want to support what of this we're doing But if you never put yourself out there, they can't if you never hate hey man shake my hand This is what I've got going on. They're like, oh wow You never would have known because you never asked and it's on you by attending this You put the burden on yourself because now you're armed with the information and you choose to use it or not A lot of people don't have the information There are millions of millions of people out there Yeah, I thought I was cool when I hit 10,000 followers on twitter I was like, I'm gonna get recognized somewhere.  Like I work with guys. They're really good guys They don't have father figures. They don't have families In a lot of cases and they've been twisted in multiple different directions taught. They hate themselves And I think it's true on on both sides of the spectrum And I think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing like all the division Has so much to do with the fact that people have these internal issues and they're repressed and they're projecting against other people And what we're doing here is we're we're helping guys to have a way forward We're helping guys that get good with themselves and when they get good with themselves They can start to approach the world from a position of love and respect for other people Abundance rather than scarcity. I mean Not everybody on this stage agrees with each other about everything right But because we all have good internal sense of selves Like none of us take it personally we can we can as men we can talk About different things here. We can respect each other. We can respect free speech And people who guys who don't have that guys who don't like themselves eventually are like going to be like the joker Right and they're going to eat and they're just going to flip out and they're going to start doing terrible things And I think that that's one of the big shifts that has been made here And that we have a real positive vision for the future and you know Things are going to happen the way they're going to happen. You know, I don't know. I don't know what the future holds Maybe 2020 is the last American election But we're going to save as many guys as we can and we're going to save women too Because when you make guys better when you make guys healthier You also give women Guys that they can they they can bond with and that they can be with because one of the major issues for women I mean living in new york city You know, there's a lot of really good women in new york city. I know it's like against some of the narratives, right, but It's very hard for them to find guys who who have their head straight and have their shit together And we're we're presenting a positive vision of the future for men and women in society.  Are we going to see something like gab actually become productive? Are we're going to see, you know, these platforms that are supposed to be representing free speech actually taken off You know and we started in the beginning over here. So I'll just have us go down this line You know when it comes to social media when it comes to where you see You know the best use of people or what you think men are going to start doing You know, we've got the 21 convention. That's cool. What else are we going to be seeing coming down the line We're going to see more guys getting into smaller groups. I mean, I know it's back to what I was saying I was going to say it sounded repeat. I feel the same exact way I'm 100% about that the whole take the online network offline So you meet these guys in person and then from there, you know, you know, I really vibe with that guy But I want to vibe and kick it with this dude. He's got more of a family But when you know, when there's a cool guy, we all get together But but in general, you know, I think the most is going to be weird You know, we got this this technology to allow us to reach out to everyone And then doing so we can find the right people and that's how we Probably start using it to find the like minds of the guys that are going to resonate what we're trying to do And what we think and that's cool. I mean, it works the other way If you hate everything we stand for somehow and you stumbled in this convention or you stumbled on this channel Man, go go build your tribe of whoever and and work with those people in person But no matter what I think I think people I can't remove said it But but someone was talking about how it seems way worse online than it is in real life And you know, how true is that depends on where you live? But The idea is that you see all this hate and this vitriol spit out on the internet Well, a lot of that gets diffused when you get in person When you have a real solid real life, you're just not that angry online And I think that's what we're gonna we're gonna see regardless certainly Intentionally on on our side if you want to like break it down on our side And hopefully everyone else kind of follow suit and realize this life is a lot better when you have a solid group of people with you in your real life Well, I just wanted to mention as well that The job of of thinkers is hate me now love me later Right.  You got 40 years to film, man Now for some women, they're really upset, right?  You don't like that person at the moment But you know when you eat better and exercise you're happy later So you just got to be willing to be disliked in the moment doesn't mean the dislike goes on forever You know, Jesus himself was hated in his day, you know, gotta turn that around after a while So Just know that that people who are screaming at you now They don't often circle back.   Well, you you you have to just check yourself and say am I acting out of love for humanity? I'm acting out of love of the truth. I'm acting out of love of virtue because if you act out of hatred I mean, it's not adding a lot of positive stuff to the world negative stuff But also you're going to make those strategic missteps that give people an excuse to ban you And if you just check yourself and say why am I posting this is it because I want to piss people off It's like this is probably not a very good thing to be doing, right? I mean, it's not great Maybe occasionally, but you know, are you acting out of love like so? I talked to women about 90 percent of their ex are dead by the time they're 30 not 40 30, right? Because I want them to freak out a little bit and if they say hey, I don't want to have kids I'm gonna problem with that, but if they do want to have kids and they get the they're gonna freak out at the time They're gonna panic Good, you know, that's good panic. It is anxiety is good because it helps you to change course, right? So, you know knowing that it's if you're acting out of love and care and concern For for people you can handle them being annoyed at you because, you know, it's for their They're good in the same way that you confront yourself with those truths being Embracing dislike and not just being a troll but being somebody who's willing to upset people out of love I think that's the biggest shield that that you have going forward bill Heading into the future What do you see going on? What do you see the positive changes or negative that'll be coming our way? The evolution of what are these we've built here? Well, uh, I'm more of an optimistic individual, so I'm going to say that it's going to continue to grow And I believe similar to ed. There's going to be more local tribalism I've experienced that myself through Ivan's event and fraternity of excellence and I just think that uh, the more the word is spread and maybe not through social media it's maybe going to take more of a Like stone age approach. Hey, this is what I do. This is what I'm about more of a One-on-one conversation with with people that you might recognize that are lost or struggling with something, you know As far as social media goes, you know I really could take it or leave it. I really don't spend too much time on it I mess around on twitter, but you know in the future. I see it as platform for being targeted absolutely And I think you know Having any kind of opinion one way or the another one way or another You put a target on your back, you know if you support trump They're gonna come gunning if you support masculinity they're gonna come gunning and I think you you understand when you when you put those that information out there on social media that And when I put this out there, there's a consequence to it and it's coming And I think all the gentlemen out here that have social media that put stuff out there about that I mean, they they they accept that you know that risk and mitigate it when they need to So I just think it's going to be more of a tribalistic Localized tribalism, you know, that's that's what I'm actually strive for where I live Pat, what about you? I mean, I don't think that I think what what's what Stefan was saying was was really on point with this and when you engage on social media You need to be thinking about what your intention is and where you're coming from and I think you know 2016 election was very triggering for people on both sides of the aisle And I certainly found myself falling into it at certain times getting really just like really like angry and And kind of low and like going into a low vibration state where you just wanted to fight and I think that's something that if we want to present a positive vision vision for the future we have to Avoid speak the truth like you have to speak the truth but but come at it with the right intention because Most of the people, you know, we we're we're dealing with a lot of trolls and a lot of broken and angry people who You know when we say the truth it creates a reflection of themselves and all the bad choices that they've made in their lives And all of the dissonance that they just simply exist in And it creates a massive emotional response for them But for a lot of other people who are going through some things on a lesser level They can see that Hey, this person isn't out here just to just to fight like you can you can speak truth but the intention isn't truth the intention is to hurt and That turns people off in the middle who are who are very curious right now And so in terms of like where do I think things are going? I don't know. I don't know. I think that there's a couple of different paths that You know the society could take but I know that the more that we speak from a positive message of trying to To get people to to remove this dissonance People can be more honest with themselves people can be happier people can form better relationships with each other The more we do that the more we avoid The really bad situations because there's always going to be some crazy people And we can't like one of the reasons that we have to stick our necks out and we have to speak from truth and love Is that we can't See the conversation to people who have bad intentions We can't do that because everybody else They're going to hear that and then they're either going to fall into despair and get disillusioned Or they're going to freak out and they're going to get angry and they're going to get aggressive And that's exactly what the broken people want They want that the people who hate us up here just having conversations about Being better men about building a better society The people that hate that and the people who want to want to create all sorts of labels for us and throw them at us They want people to get hurt They want things to get worse and we don't so I don't know what's going to end up happening But I know that what we're doing is maximizing the potential options that bad things aren't going to happen. And that's what I think That was very well said And I hope that that didn't fall in deaf ears When you hear somebody speak to that nature and that that authentically I hope you're paying attention because that's real and that's the lives men are actually living So don't just sit and go through you know the rmg Actually listen to what's being said George where do you see us heading? I like to say that my work is the home of sanity clarity and reason And that's what I will continue to preach Purify your intentions let your humor be truly humor When you smile and laugh let it be because comedy and humor is Normal and fun and pure don't let your laughter and humor be At someone else's expense There's certain people when you see them laughing that means someone is hurting somewhere and I feel good about separating myself from people like that as far as the future is concerned Let sanity rule not emotions I go back to my stoic roots and say Delay your emotions don't deny them. We're not going to be Robots Be pure in your actions I stirred up a storm when I Did a video on spinning plates Because I you know I have one plate And my other well I have several plates one of them happens to be a woman Another is my reading another is my writing If I If I'm Turn down on date night so to speak it's not like I pick up the phone and call You know mrs. Plan B miss plan B And that was a real move of purity for me from a guy who Was spinning five six seven eight Female plates at all times in my life. So I wanted to be more pure. I don't want to be duplicitous I want to be transparent. I want my yes to mean yes. I want my no to mean no And I don't want there to be any ulterior motives as a man with three children and two aging parents. I'm very focused On the future. I want to be able to take care of my parents As they're aging I want to be able to take care of my children And do so with pride and leave a legacy and if that legacy means a huge bank account then That's great and no one will ever make me feel bad for For Being or getting rich amassing wealth Taking care of my family. Those are all noble things and I think we need to get back to those noble things Rather than conspiracy theories about the opposite sex Which just hold us back entire movements entire movements of men from the moment they wake up in the morning They think about who's trying to screw them that day And I that rubbed me the wrong way I get up and I think about Who's going to bless me today and who can I bless today? That's the place that i'm coming from. That's my future that i'm in control of Ivan The future of the man is fair. What does it look like? Well, I think a couple of things are going to be happening number one Let's talk a little bit earlier about how that narrative has cracked Trump's done something kind of interesting And a father figure kind of way. He's shown that you can kick the apple card over And you can survive it right there that inexorable undefeatable quality that the narrative tries to portray itself and shattered That gives everybody the opportunity both the work that we do And also for everyone out there to do it Grow and not be afraid reach out. We got each other. I got your back. You got my back and That creates a grassroots kind of hope That's the most powerful thing that is that changes nations So what we have to be is competent That we have to be as coordinated that we have to be as intelligent Wise all of those things these are all healthy things that I mentioned I don't see a limit yet Until things start maybe blowing up but in the meantime We've got an open road ahead of us And there's no obstacle in it They're all afraid of us We're not afraid of them We see social justice mobs going after us on a daily basis We sign up for that Doesn't bother me in the least I sleep well at night no matter how many hundreds of thousands of resentful better angry frightened people Say that they hate me So now I think it may have been Ed who said this or someone or Asia If you wouldn't trade your life for that of your hater They're not a hater. They're a confused fan That's very true So We can make fans of all of them Why settle for less? Not going to well said Let's take it all Mr. Fan Where do you see the future of this? I don't like the question. I don't like the premise of the question Because it's sort of like how do you think this movie's gonna end?  Where does the future go? It's where a tiny minority of strong-willed people usually men want it to go No, this describing the future like you're not part of it. I think is a misnomer. I think it denies us our power If you look back at history, there are maybe 500 men Who've defined it maybe a thousand Depends how wide you want to cast the net and we can discard art and stuff like that You know science philosophy politics and so on How many founding fathers were there? 13 that most of them like it's just or maybe someone could name.  The future is concentrated willpower focus and courage And there's every single person in this room can change the future It's not a wild horse. We have to tame. It's something we control and drive and if you look at the mass of people and and Stupidity of institutions and the ignorance of the masses They'll follow the strong Lead them in the right direction. Obviously be right. Don't leave them in the wrong direction, right? But the future is what we want to make it The future is what we want to make it. Don't look at it like a movie that's going to unfold without your participation Get in there and change the damn script because that's what other people want to do And get in there and fight them and another thing to recognize too is that there are far more people willing to fight with swords than words That's a sad thing in society, right? There's a there's a war. How many people volunteer Thousands hundreds of thousands sometimes the people just volunteer to just go fight some stupid war All the way across the ocean often in the middle of a desert for no good purpose You get tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people all want to get up there and fight with guns and bombs How many people are willing to step out of the public fray? And take the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to wage a battle not of Swords but of words We are very few in number who are willing to do that and many more people Will sign up at a recruiting office then go on and tell the truth on social media And if we fail if we fail that task of fighting with words not swords I don't know man. The next war could be it The next big where everyone's so well armed everybody's got so many weapons of mass destruction There's so many terrorists so many biological chemical weapons. There's so many things you can do to the electricity grid There's so many things you can do to the water supply and so on If we fail, you know, we bridge we Barrier between chaos barbarity and civilization man if we fall I mean the deaths that follow will be to a large degree on us The last thing i'll say is there's like there's three kinds right three kinds of people in the world.  I got no problem with that It's perfectly fine. I don't resent it. It's the way things are and then there are the wolves Who want to take down the sheep and then there's us racing around the flock saying trying to bark off the wolves, right? We never get any thanks from the sheep. They don't even know what the wolves are there until they're out of one jugular It's a bit of a thankless task But the only reason we have the freedom to do it is because there were a hell of a lot of brave sheep dogs in the past And it's to their honor that we do our battle. It's a noble battle. It's an unsung battle I mean, this should be a stadium with 50,000 people cheering and Giving us mountains of bitcoins. I don't know But that that's how it should be but it is a bit of a lonely thankless battle But if you know in your heart what you're winning and achieving for the world Man You're right. There's no better life There's no better life and you know, maybe in 50 years or 100 years.  It's worth it for what we save even if we never think And now I have to reframe it Tanner, what are you making the future look like? No, I like that. No, I actually I appreciate that distinction especially because It is it's what we make of it and the problem that we find ourselves in is we have We have more material success than ever And we're in the middle of more cultural decline than almost in any other point And the one distracts us from the other And at some point those two are going to coincide and and the ruins are going to collapse and the problem is is Everybody's going to scatter if we don't have something to go to And just like Stefan has alluded to You don't have you people aren't just going to automatically go to truth They're not automatically going to go to one thing that has to be created Right and the problem that I think a lot of us bump into when we do this Is we think that I'm I'm engaging on twitter or I wrote a really good article or I can engage with reason and logic Or something else and that only gets a portion of the population People don't live and die for blog posts. They don't build families because of that awesome twitter feed They do it for art. They do it for beauty. They do it for the inherent understanding that man is not a beast He is noble and he is the capacity for nobility If we want to succeed we have to reinsert our Capacity for nobility and we have to create a culture that celebrates that And the stark contrast between that innate nobility of man And the ugliness and the dross of what our current cultural decline is teaching us People will flock to that in numbers. They're not going to spread They're not going to scatter But we don't do that just by talking rationally about ideas We don't do that just by engaging on social media with words We have to do even more difficult things. We have to create art. We have to create music We have to create tradition and culture We have to embrace the idea of something bigger and more divine and more powerful than we are And if we don't do that then we may leave one form of a wreckage But we just go to another version of it So if we want to win we have to reintroduce nobility Make it appealing make it beautiful and make it aspirational deck all right We've been talking a lot about this and I agree with tenor about A lot of things which a lot of people would be surprised about that a lot would be surprised, but yeah, no Just a few issues that everybody else has talked about that I want to talk about One of the people who come at you there's maybe two categories of them There are professionals and activists and aspiring professionals And they're playing a game. They don't care about the truth at all I mean the reporters don't care about the truth. They don't they don't care about the truth at all They're playing a game. They're doing something for hire They're dead people who believe in nothing.    It's just it's it's You can disregard that I do think you have to be aware of what People like reporters and activists and all those things. They do have tools that can wreck your life And you have to be aware of that and you have to understand Not only if there's the courage of of making a stand, but there's also strategy And understanding making smart choices rather than like I'm just going to say whatever I want to say and I don't care Because there are consequences to everything that you say and everything matters And that's why I think uh, you know to build on what you said and Actually a lot of what pat said as well. I made a choice a while ago that I'm going to put out You don't see me attacking people At all I'm going to put out positive messages and positive imagery that inspires people And if you're going to put anything out into the mass culture That's the way to go There's certain there's work that needs to be done identifying problems over and over again and someone I would say that's god's work You know, someone someone has to do that and god bless them, but it's ain't gonna be me I'm gonna you know, I've talked about a big problems in my life, but I'm also going to talk about What I think is good and what I think is beautiful and Try and represent that it's the best of my ability And that's the kind of culture I want to put out there But in terms of where the media and so forth is going Uh, that's the great stuff to put out to the mass media to the extent that we have access to it I mean on instagram and all that kind of stuff you could you could put out, you know, hey, I'm you know I'm working out. I'm getting better. I'm you know, I hired a photographer to take this great picture You can put out positive images But I also do think we are on the verge of a new wild west of the internet Because all the old Media people built their whole lives around this old media like oh, I'm gonna make my living on youtube for the rest of my life Well, that's not real You know, like if you're gonna say anything controversial or you're just gonna go off message That's not real Uh, but there are all these, you know, other people have mentioned them I've just only started to scratch the surface of looking into them all these alternative You know like blockchain servers and all these different things that people are accessing now That's going to be the second wave because there was a time on the internet not so very long ago where you could see any damn thing And it was everywhere but And I think that's going to happen again in a different way and finally You know to wrap up what ed said and you know, I wrote a book on tribalism I definitely think that you know people are going to have smaller groups in real life I think the challenge is a lot of people want to put a big Everybody wants to put I'm part of this club and I have my Boy Scout badges And I'm part and go out and I'm for fighting the good fight. Well, that's great. But then you're a target I've seen a lot of groups form But yeah, like just guys. Oh, we meet at dinner So and so you know here and there and we we have a network that we're building And to have that network is super important. You really need that But not everything has to be a big public thing because then you have to be ready to take on the role of A you have to be responsible for everyone in your group Because one of them is going to do something stupid. You're going to have to ask for an answer for it somewhere And so you have to be ready for that And if you're not ready for that and you just want to have a group of friends that to help you and make you be better Do that But you don't have to have a big name on it. Whatever And I think there are tons of guys doing that and I get emails from them and so every so often like I formed a group with my guys and I'm like good keep doing that It's awesome But yeah, I definitely think it's going to be more into you know, there are going to be a lot of smaller groups AJ let's close it out That is a lot to wrap up Social media is not going to save you. You can only save yourself If you want a better life If you want a better world, you'll have to have a better life. You have to create a better life for yourself I was discussing this with jack and tanner last night that beauty has really been lost from culture and beauty has been lost from men And I mean that sincerely We can talk about heroism. We can talk about men that we look up to we All operate in a culture. We can open up devices and see people that we envy and we can play that envy game But we also look for sources of inspiration. We also try to meet people That they are living a life that we could model our life on And how do you program minds? How do you really change someone's mind?  There's still people having children Even the worst of times in the whole world is falling apart. There's still people having children living their lives trying to build something for the future The reality is that there is no final battle There is no great war that ends all wars and then we are living in utopia. There is no point in history where masculinity and patriarchy and femininity Rain together in this perfect harmony and perfect balance. That's all romanticization Every period of history has its highlights. Every period has its lowlights. There have been shitty times. There have been good times We could go back and chop it up and analyze it endlessly and we can all hope we all hope for violence A lot of people hope for violence because it means that all the ideas have been sorted out That's another great point. I see this all the time in line people wish there was this war They want it. They want right wing death squads. They want to be staphion types of bodies They want that because you know why because they don't have to think about what the ideas were They don't have to do the bowels and do the actual work of what I really believe in what actually creates a society Society constructively. Let's just fight and whoever left standing. Well, that must be true because it's stronger Yeah, that's that's nice to think about but that's not happening. The war that is going to be fought is the war on your mind That's the war that you are going to fight in it's not going to be a physical war that way There might be hot conflicts people might point gloves and punch each other You know the left and right or the right really wishes what we got all the guns That's not happening because you're all too comfortable. You still log into netflix every night. You still use amazon prime You still use uber eats.  Nobody is So if you really want to make a difference change your life change what you represent Really write down define and live it out how you live what you're about. What are your god giving the values? Do you believe in god? Yes, no actually ask yourself that question Because I that's a great social struggle right now Do we I do I actually believe in anything transcendent? If you have a belief in transcendent see if you believe that your actions echo into eternity Then be that operate as that and appear as that if you don't and you're going to show up how you're showing up now You already know what that gives you that gives you whatever it is you exist as today So, you know the future I don't have an estimation with what the future is the future is you the future is your individual life I can't give you the answers that way Yeah, we can talk about fractionization and bitcoinization and oh tribalism tribalism There's going to be all these small groups from course there are because that's how things go as institutions fall apart people coalesce again and again That's nothing new. There's nothing novel to that Yeah, what's novel What's novel is you what are you going to do about it? So that's my challenge to you I we can talk about all these things and be very heady with it I could take this a whole bunch of directions and be very nichean Who cares? What are you going to do? Yes or no And with that We're bringing the final red man group live 21 convention panel to a close For the decade. We're done gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in And I hope each of you take the insights these nine brilliant men shared with you apply it to your lives and take action because It's not about being a well-read man It's about applying the knowledge that you've learned to improve your life If you're not doing that you're not using the electrons properly. Thank you How you guys doing? Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming Thank you. Uh, am I mics? Am I mics? Yeah, all right. So thanks for coming to the workshop.  And I said, well, yeah, because it's actually been almost a year since I've been out in front of a crowd because there's been protests and Antifa and all this kind of stuff. So there's been a lot of deep platforming So I've kind of adapted it's all a lot of suppression on youtube of my channel and stuff like that So I've kind of adapted by Going out into the world more but I can't do speeches other than with these kinds of tough guys because a lot of pushback so actually, uh, I've been doing documentaries I went to Hong Kong not too long ago I wanted to know what was going on there because it really does seem kind of fascinating kind of real battle between free markets and socialism or communism So we went, uh, I went out with the guy who made the movie hoaxed I don't know if you've ever seen hoaxed, but Mike Cernovich production is a really really good movie You can get it at hoaxedmovie.com. We went out to Hong Kong and can I go forward and backwards just out of curiosity? Yeah, okay Um, I like to stay out of focus because it makes me look younger. So if I mess around with the autofocus Oh, yeah, yeah, okay That's right So, yeah, so we went out to to Hong Kong we interview I I interviewed the guy who wrote their constitution a bunch of politicians and business people and so on Then we went down to a protest Man, these are some tough guys down there because they're facing like these seriously fascistic Hong Kong police which have a lot of influence from China And uh, it's wild, you know, they um, they try to create these makeshift barriers On the street So they'll rip up stuff like the railings and so on they'll rip it up and as soon as someone starts doing that It's called the umbrella movement partly because umbrella keeps the tear gas at bay And when someone starts ripping something up to fight against the incursion of the police military vehicles A bunch of people go and open their umbrellas because there are security cameras everywhere and this way they can't see who's Doing it and these guys are seriously brave except it had actually the girliest implement I've ever seen it was walking down towards where the police were with the with the protesters And they had little chil