here to ensure law and order as we do have in Judea and Samaria wherever else is needed it's not nothing to do with an occupation then for the administrative and political part then these options are open whether it will be the Palestinian autonomy again whether it will be a new kind of regime this will depend also of what the Gaza Strip will look like after the war I believe that the Gazan people first of all should be able to leave Gaza because they were stuck into the Gaza Strip and I can assure you that many many of them unfortunately it's mostly the young and the people with degrees that want to leave Gaza forever they don't want to stay there they're not interested in living there it's an isolated poor place now it's half destroyed anyway so they should be allowed to leave and I think we can diminish by a lot the number of people who will have to be instated in the normal way of life inside the Gaza Strip I mean it's not that we're chasing them or anything I think we're giving them the freedom to choose and believe me many are choosing that way I remind you that during normal times many young Palestinians pay a fee of around $5,000 to smugglers Bedouin smugglers and briberies for Egyptian border police to escape Gaza to leave somewhere else Canada and the states wherever and also there is another immigration out of Gaza from the brain and the elite meaning people with degrees for instance doctors will go to a medical congress with their family under the pretense of this medical congress or under the pretense of research abroad will leave and never come back so this is something very important to take into account but of course means will be left with mostly the poor part of the population which is a huge responsibility to rebuild properly without any terrorist regime above them and I believe that if we play a right humanitarian card with this Gaza population we can build for them a brighter future in which case it's a brighter future for all of us. And I'm going to want to discuss this a little further but first I have to turn our eyes to the northern border where our correspondent Mary McAuliffe is standing by Mary it's good to have you with us when you're standing there was a rocket alert not that long ago from the north that's right you're also just in recent moments a siren ringing out in Aramsha this is an area just meters away from the northern border with Lebanon and this is also an area that we've seen a number of different sirens ringing out in recent weeks this is so close to the border and there's also of course a number of different IDF installations in that area a number of different observation posts so we have routinely seen this area hit by attempted mortar attacks also attempted anti-tank missiles fired into this area so we are still trying to check the details of what exactly caused those sirens to ring out we know yesterday there were at least 20 sirens which 20 rockets which were fired into northern Israel from Lebanon so we are still checking to see if those are rockets or if that was triggered by other military activity or from Hezbollah activity on the ground and ultimately we have been seeing an increase in Hezbollah activity on the ground as well describe what changes we've seen over the past few days and what sort of response they're getting from the Israeli military that's right so then past three days we've seen double digit rockets being fired into northern Israel from Hezbollah and this is after there was a very deadly strike inside southern Lebanon the IDF said that it had tried to hit a vehicle carrying a suspicious person instead that strike killed three children and their grandmother their mother remains in hospital since then we've seen a very forceful response from Hezbollah firing a number of different rockets not just Hezbollah as well also Hamas who operates in southern Lebanon as well also firing rockets into these communities one Israeli civilian has died this past week since that recent escalation bringing the total number of Israeli civilians killed to two in the course of this since October 8th in response the IDF says they're continuing to do what it has been doing which is to strike forcefully at what they say is the source of these launches so they've been striking terror cells who are launching anti-tank missiles or attempting to launch anti-tank missiles and they've been using really all methods at their disposal to do so and to try and pinpoint and source to try and prevent from any attacks or using fighter jets which we can hear in the sky around us also artillery all throughout this border area heavily targeting these areas in southern Lebanon the update from the North Mary will be back with you over the course of the day I'm going to return to the studio with our discussion panel I'm going to open up with you again Rafael because we just heard the latest from the northern border ultimately Israel understands that the status quo Hezbollah directly on the border cannot continue in light of October 7th but the United States is demanding Israel not preempt to what options are left to get Hezbollah off the border I think the ultimate decision lies with Jerusalem not Washington with all due respect it's our country and our security I don't really see how the Americans can expect us to leave the Hezbollah at our gates and after we have displaced more than 70,000 people from their homes to ask them to come back to face the exactly same situation and from then we for the left so obviously something has to be done if the Americans want to avoid a pre-emptive strike from Israel an extension of the conflict they should ensure that first of all the blue helmets of the UN of the Unifil force placed in southern Lebanon do their job meaning that there should be a no-man's land a buffer zone without any Hezbollah presence between the south of Lebanon and Israel this has not been achieved and this is the mandate of the blue helmets is to have this zone free of terrorist military activity it should be demilitarized and it's not so that's the first thing but even if we do that the threat remains because the range of the missiles and the disposal of the Hezbollah is such that it can reach any part of Israel so I don't see any other solution than striking in a pre-emptive manner the fact that hasn't been done so I would like to think that it's because of the operational necessities of the IDF and that the political will is to strike even though there is some international and American pressure I think the Americans will have no choice if we start war with the Hezbollah what happens if the Hezbollah starts I mean what's the difference so in this case they have to join not necessarily offensively but at least to help us in aerial defense not there in the Mediterranean from the United States fleet can help a lot against the huge arsenal of the Hezbollah they have very advanced systems that can help us with our systems together to protect Israel they should at least do that and I think they will they will not let us down if we start a pre-emptive strike and we have no other choice I'd like to see what the alternative is I'd be very happy to hear and I want to turn back to you as well Guy because we're discussing the Americans reaction the American demands are not always the most realistic it seems for Israel's security needs and I want to turn back to Gaza because of that we're discussing the idea of this longer form security responsibility and the Americans seem to be pushing the idea of nation building almost when it's talking about governance the Americans failed nation building in Afghanistan they failed nation building in Iraq and they failed in budgets in the trillions of dollars they failed in those kinds of shoes to be perfectly honest with you what happens with Gaza the day after is something that is being discussed both within the Israeli war cabinet and of course with the Americans to tell you that Israel has a very clear idea of what it wants to do in Gaza after the war that is far from it we heard from a Saudi official just this morning saying it will be impossible to discuss the future of Gaza before the war ends and we still have no idea when will that be obviously Israel has defined the goals of this war to eliminate Hamas's military capabilities but also eliminate its governance over the Gaza Strip that could be a matter of months they are still surrounding the city of Gaza with very small incursions into the city still far from achieving those ultimate goals and that is before we even got to the southern part of the Gaza Strip or most of the civilians are seeking shelter right now so it's still a very long way to go the Americans can have their concerns, can have their discussions with the Israelis ultimately Israel is the one that will have to decide but we're hearing it from Israelis as well that it would take cooperation from Arab states, from neighboring states to find out some sort of a solution that would at least ensure some sort of international presence in terms of the civil administration but when it comes to the security control well Israel has no one else to trust but itself one of the things I want to bring up is the time frame we're looking at because we've discussed months after but that doesn't seem to really cover the needs here we're talking about excising Hamas and its ideology from Gaza we're talking about the terrorist organization that writes the children's school books at the age to kill Jews everywhere they find them that's going to take decades to fully root out of the population how long can even the Arab countries be responsible for preventing that I don't think anyone has any aspirations to kill the ideology ideology will continue as long as there are enough people that are brainwashed enough to follow those same ideas of eliminating the state of Israel of slaughtering Jews the charter of Hamas to other groups like ISIS we've seen even if you kill the heads of the group the ideology does continue I don't think there'll be any insight for that but having said that we're seeing very similar incitement in the West Bank as well and that is part of the problem when we're speaking about the idea of control of the Palestinian authority as Rafael alluded to here well the same very similar ideologies are being very present in the West Bank not to mention that Hamas is the most popular movement on the Palestinian straight these days according to many services that we're seeing according to elections in Palestinian universities in the West Bank we have not seen general elections in the West Bank for many years because of the fear that Hamas will take over there and ultimately Rafael if they're not targeting the ideology if the ideology remains what stops Hamas or something close enough from just dropping up in a year 5 or 10 that's where the ones have to stop it you have to remember that Hamas will be even if it's eradicated or dismantled in the Gaza Strip it's present heavily in the south of Lebanon it's present in Judea and Samaria in my opinion it will be even present in Paris and in London so the Hamas people will continue to operate they do so already from abroad a lot there's always the possibility that they might present themselves as a political party under a different name and be elected all this is theoretical I really think that it's absolutely feasible to prevent them to come back in a position of power over the Gaza Strip or even over the Palestinian territories would there be elections one of the things that hasn't been done enough it's a rebuke that I have towards the Israeli governments is that we didn't cultivate a new generation of leaders in the Palestinian population there are an elite class of Palestinians who have studied abroad who are open minded who do business with Israeli companies these people who should be the next generation of leadership of the Palestinian people are not that old school from the Arafat era that is still prevailing Mr. Abu Mazen is an old terrorist he will not change especially after 85 is difficult and we need a new generation of Palestinian leaders that's our work to do we can do it with the Americans we can do it with the CIA we should have given much more power to the opposition to the Hamas in Gaza it could have been done with the help of the American services now is the time to do it we need a new generation one of the examples which is not the best but is mentioned is Mr. Mohammed Dahlan with a person who has worked with the Israelis in the past who we can speak with for certain things and cooperate these are the people we are going to need to make sure that the jihadist Islamist cause doesn't surface up and replace because what happened and I conclude with this what happened was what was called the Palestinian cause a nationalistic independence seeking cause became a religious jihadist integralist cause nothing to do with the Palestinian people it's just got to do with Allah wabbar so that's not the same and I want to remind our viewers what that looks like we're going to be showing this next report is really archaeologists having to use their skills for a heart-wrenching mission identifying what's left for our fellow citizens our Erika Jackson has more on how their hard work is identifying the bodies of people's loved ones following the October 7th massacre in Israel archaeologists who normally investigate the remains of ancient burnt sites are on a much more difficult and personal mission they're now using their skills to join the search for the missing in burnt homes and cars after Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel from Gaza massacring over 1400 people who were mostly civilians on October 7th in their villages and at a music festival in the desert in the southern part of the country near the Gaza border we used the tools that we had at our disposal tools that we've developed in our daily work as archaeologists so we took them and headed out to help as much as we can this is the cell phone of the person that we are evidently searching for he has his driver's license he has his credit card according to the archaeologists while it's one thing to expose remains that are thousands of years old it's another to search for evidence of fellow citizens here we probably have a burnt skeleton the remains of many bones we do it ourselves these are difficult images we're used to seeing things from hundreds and thousands of years ago and now we're dealing with modern atrocities their work has been described as an emotional challenge but the labor is for a greater purpose archaeologists have so far identified at least 10 people who were previously believed to have been missing and some have already been buried to retrieve dozens of remains of individuals numerous of which have already been identified and have helped provide closure for some of these families who hardly lost their loved ones I think it's the least we can do and the fact that we have the ability as archaeologists to apply our professional expertise to this specific case is something of a special calling a special calling to provide answers for as many families as possible regarding the fate of their loved ones whole set of victims as well as hostages I'm going to turn back to Guy Azrael because you've been following the situation on hostages in the latest yes first of all a very devastating report there but just to speak about the hostages we're talking about over 240 Israelis being held captive in the Gaza Strip a report yesterday suggests that the president Biden has urged Netanyahu to agree to a three day pause in the fighting in order to bring progress to the release of some of the hostages between 10 and 15 hostages well, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has responded to Biden says he does not trust Hamas's intentions and does not believe they are ready to agree to a deal also alluding to the fact that there is fear that Israel could be losing much of its current international support if it stops fighting for three days and then go back to fighting so that is not a realistic option for Israel not to mention Hamas is not trustworthy in that sense absolutely any need momentum again is going to be very difficult that's all the time we have for now though but we will see you again our next show at the top of the next hour so until then thank you very much for watching and we will see you again very soon with all the latest on the war 1300 people murdered and more than 3000 injured the war with Hamas continues we bring you first hand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on I-24 news this ongoing coverage of Israel at war rarely soldier has fallen in the fierce fighting in Gaza that's Sergeant First Class Yaakov Hazari of the 401st Armored Brigade Hazari marks the 31st IDF casualty in the ground operation in Gaza Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Inyaho announced that the IDF was tightening the news around Gaza City striking far deeper into the Hamas terror groups underground fortress than ever before despite growing international pressure in Inyaho vows there will be no truce nor ceasefire until Hamas releases all hostages and that no fuel will enter Gaza to power Hamas' war machine this all comes as the Biden administration has formally requested Israel allow humanitarian pauses in the fighting Israel maintains they will not give Hamas the ability to regroup and that call from the United States has been joined by the entire G7 as of this morning the northern border moves ever closer to an all out war with Hezbollah 20 rockets fired at the galley and Golan over and more this morning even as the IDF strikes Hezbollah terror cells firing guided missiles at the border this cross border fire has only intensified in recent weeks Hezbollah firing in greater volume and at greater ranges into Israeli territory all the while aided by Hamas in the north the escalation comes despite the United States sending two carrier strike groups in a nuclear submarine to the region in an effort to deter Iran and Hezbollah from committing their full power to this fight on Monday Hamas and Lebanon fired rockets as deep into Israel as Haifa and here's US President Biden demanding a pause in the fighting our attention to the northern border where our correspondent Mary McCullough is standing by Mary walk us to the latest developments on that front good morning Ariel yes it's been a bit of a quieter morning here than what we've seen in the past week we did have sirens in the north since yesterday at about 6 p.m. when there were just as you mentioned 20 rockets fired into northern Israeli communities in the Goliath and Golan there were no reports of injuries from those attacks we know a number of those were intercepted by the Iron Dome but we do know in response IDF launched a number of retaliatory strikes inside southern Lebanon using both air strikes but also a number of different artillery strikes as well as now just publishing documentation of one of those strikes that they said targeted a rockets and weapons depot that was used by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon the IDF has said throughout the past few weeks of fighting it will continue to respond to all threats that are coming from its northern border and forces here have remained on high alert now Mary this escalation is coming despite the U.S. is best efforts to squash any escalation north of the border. What sort of reaction have we seen from the Americans in the region? It's definitely not just the military and defense expenditures that they've been moving into the area saying that they're posturing to be on alert for really any threat we know that the U.S. itself and the Biden administration has said that if there's going to be a major de-escalation in the region or major escalation in the region excuse me it's going to be because of these Iranian backed proxies that also includes the number of different Iranian backed proxies in Iraq and Syria which have launched dozens of attacks on American bases in recent weeks so this is definitely a high alert situation for the United States who is working around the clock to try and prevent that further escalation from breaking out yesterday we had a senior U.S. who was here on the ground he was in Beirut meeting with the Lebanese Prime Minister and the President for the U.S. will say. Now it's hard to imagine the situation does not turn into a war zone that this border does not turn into a situation like we're seeing down south and that kind of fighting between Israel and Hamas that all forces all hands are on deck here to try and prevent an escalation they're doing that diplomatically but also as you mentioned, of course by also moving a number of different forces into the region, the air strike but also due to the attacks on the U.S. bases. So there is absolutely fear and certainly high alert throughout this region, and the U.S. is working around the clock to try and prevent that. Absolutely, Mary. Keep yourself safe out there. Thank you for that report. We're going to turn now to a discussion panel in the studio. Joining us now is Rafael Urshami, former senior intelligence officer at the IDF, and Mark Schulman, editor-in-chief of History Central. Central and editor-in-columnist with Newsweek. Thank you both for joining us. I do want to start with you, Rafael, because your area of expertise is Lebanon as well. And we've been seeing this escalation on the North. Everyone believes that it is going to break out into a major scale, full frontal war against Hezbollah, sooner rather than later. Ultimately, even with these American assets in the region, the question is, who's going to blink first? Hezbollah or the U.S. here? Well, we're really hoping that we will take the initiative as towards the northern theater of operation. There's no reason why Hezbollah should have the initiative. The clash is unavoidable, and unavoidable especially for us, because we cannot displace 70,000 people because of a threat, and then telling them to come back, and this threat is still there. So that's the first thing. The second thing is that we must have a pre-emptive strike because the conflict with Hezbollah, if there will be one, will be mostly one by the one who starts with a heavy blow. We have deployed, and that gives me a kind of hope that we're going to do something. We have deployed artillery systems like the Ra'am, which is what we might call it, the mighty lightning in English, which is a very special, specific artillery system. Each battery has got 64 launching pipes in these bombs, especially very precise, and they would be using that kind of a conflict or the fact that they have been deployed, not yet used might be a preparation for that. We have to remember that we are now in the best possible posture to start a pre-emptive strike. We have a massive American presence in the Mediterranean. We have all our reservists called up, and these reservists from the northern coming, they have been trained recently for the last couple of years to fight that kind of threat in different scenarios. We are now in a war mode for our economy. In this war mode, we cannot have forever. There's a limit to how much the Israeli economy can withstand such a war mode of economy. So all this put together would say that now is the time. Now is the time to strike. There might be some operational necessities to take into account, like maybe not this minute, but maybe in a couple of days or in four days, according to what's happening in the south, according to certain logistical needs. The chief of the Israeli Air Force has said very clearly the day before yesterday that the Israeli Air Force has no problem attacking the north while being busy in the south. There's no problem about that. We haven't even called all the Air Force reservists yet. Considering the American pressure on the political level, because that's where the problem lies, is there a political will in Israel to take on the Hezbollah? I would suggest that it's our country. We decide what's good for us. And I don't see how the Americans can let us down. I know there are problems. You wouldn't mention them inside the United States, because it's an electoral year. On the other hand, the United States of America are here for a reason. And it's not just to help Israel. It's to ensure stability in the Middle East. If they do not ensure that stability, then it will play in the hands of the Chinese and the Russians. There are huge American interests here to protect and defend. And that's why I believe that if what is the difference if Hezbollah starts or we start, when it will happen, the Americans have to help us. I disagree completely. I don't think it's a good idea for us to do a preemptive strike at this point, A, not until we finish with Gaza, two, and not until we get US support for a preemptive strike as opposed to a defensive. They're there to deter. If the Hezbollah strikes, they will clearly come to our aid and support. And they have firepower to stand up to that. If we strike first, it becomes more problematic. What we can accomplish in a first strike is significant. But we can't win the war from a first strike. We know the air force is just as excellent as it is. Striking all the missile sites is something that's almost impossible. I actually believe we should wait a year or two until we have our laser system deployed, which will change the calculus in terms of defense versus offense. Right now, I don't know how many Tamir missiles we have left. I mean, we have some in a lot. But still, we've used an awful lot of missiles in the last four weeks. I'm sure we're starting to run low. We need to produce more of them. I would not get into a war with Hezbollah until we've replenished all our supplies. We have our laser system ready, because an awful lot of Hezbollah missiles will probably get through and we'll see destruction to our Tel Aviv and other places. And it's not going to be easy to avoid that. So I'm in favor of waiting. Trying to use diplomatic means first to get them to observe the UN agreement for that their troops remain to the north of the Lutani River, as they're supposed to. Put as much pressure as we can. Use the US and everybody else after we've completed with Gaza. And if that doesn't work, we can consider other moves. But I think we should wait until we've completed with Gaza before we do it. That's actually a great jumping off point to now turn our eyes to Gaza, because our correspondent Robert Swift is standing by at the Israel-Gaza border. Robert, thank you for being with us. Walk us through the latest developments on that front. So the intensity of the fighting taking place here, it seems to have slightly reduced in the last hour since we spoke. There are still ongoing airstrikes. There is occasional fire, and we can still hear drones overhead. But throughout the day, the intensity of the combat seems to, it peaks and it troughs as the events take place. Now, it's worth noting that the fighting has not just been during the hours of daylight. The Israeli military conducts airstrikes during the night. And last night, it killed Mosin Abu Zina, which the IDF have said was the head of Hamas's, essentially, weapons research and manufacturing department. And they've said that it's hoped that this will impact Hamas's ability to create rockets, improvise explosive devices, these sorts of weapons. And now, there has been two incidents of rocket fire this morning, both of them targeting Qesofim, which is a community sort of midway down the Gaza Strip in the south of Israel. Now, there was no injuries either of these incidents. So of course, you wouldn't expect to see an immediate impact on Hamas's ability to launch rockets off the back of the killing of this commander. However, it's hoped that the ability of them to do that in future will reduce as an important figure like this is eliminated. Now, we can see behind you in that frame just columns of smoke rising from Gaza City. Can you give us a sense of just how much has been hit there and how much of Hamas's capabilities have been damaged? Yeah, so behind me, sometimes you'll see smoke, particularly when there's a large airstrike. This will throw up what's essentially a very small mushroom cloud. Other times you'll see big dust clouds going up, long lines of dust like that. Often this is the movement of armored vehicles, the Israeli vehicles, as they maneuver around the battle space behind me. Now, with regards to what's the idea of doing currently, essentially they're trying to isolate Gaza City from the rest of Gaza Strip. In urban warfare, force concentration is extremely important. So the Israeli military will do that to concentrate its forces whilst isolating Hamas's fighters. In the north of Gaza, it's understood that there are kilometers and kilometers of tunnels under which, in which there are Hamas fighters. And the Israeli military is essentially trying to keep those areas trapped and then do its utmost to kill the Hamas fighters that are in those areas. That's what's been taking place last night and in recent days. And indeed, that's what's taking place throughout the day today. Well, thank you very much for that update, Rob. We will be coming back to you over the course of the day as the situation and that Gaza Front changes. We've got some more of this in the studio now. Mark, I want to turn to you because victory on the battlefield isn't always the same as victory in the court of public opinion. Those same images of Israel striking Hamas targets are also images of, well, a devastated Gaza. And now we're hearing that some like six in 10 Democrats are saying that, well, Israel is going too far. Right, absolutely. And we have a real problem with the Democratic Party that I would say is divided into two problems. We have the problem of the progressive wing, which believes that Israel is a colonial enterprise and anything you do to stop a colonial enterprise is OK. And that represents some percentage, maybe 20%, 15% of the Democratic Party. But beyond that, we also have problems with African-Americans, women's lib people, and others because of this idea of intersectionality. They overlap between those two groups, but this idea of intersectionality says if you're in favor of Black Lives Matter, if you're in favor of women's rights, if you're in favor of LGBT rights, then you have to be in favor of the Palestinians because the poor Palestinians fall into this minority group. So that makes up another part of the Democratic Party that may not be quite as thinking of us as colonials, but they have to be at the heart of the poor Palestinians. And then finally, of course, it's just a question of public opinion. We've all seen the push notifications that come from places like The New York Times and Wall Street Journal. And Hamas makes an announcement, 500 people killed. Immediately, we get a push notification on all our phones that says Israel killed 500 people. An hour later, when the actual story comes place, or day later, depending on which story it is, no one's read that. They've all just seen the push notifications. So the story in the narrative is we're killing thousands and thousands of people. That doesn't look good. It doesn't seem good. The pictures are certainly not good. We didn't release the worst of our pictures because of who we are. Hamas does everything they can to release pictures true or false. And there's no way of saying whether they're true or false in many of them. So you see those images. You hear those images. You see the notifications. And you say, well, it's just going too far. We forget what Israel did, what the Hamas did four weeks ago. That's ancient history. That's what's going on right now. And that's always been a problem. That's been a problem of Israel throughout. I saw an interesting cartoon the other day from London. Had Assad killed 600,000 Syrians, the streets are empty. And Mimar, another 100,000 are killed. And another place, another 500,000 are killed. Israel, oh, immediately, the streets are filled with protests against Israel. We have a special space in the eyes of too many people that we're supposed to be better than everybody else, or we're hated more than anybody else, some combination they're in. And immediately when you see those images, it's Israel's fault. They're going too far. And the challenge with this is these ill-informed people, these radicals, their vote counts just as much as everyone else. And it's an election year for the Democrats, particularly the primaries with Michigan's role in the primaries, being one of the major centers for Muslim Americans. This is going to be damaging for them. Well, it's more important where their roles are in terms of electoral college. Michigan is a swing state. And that's a great concern that Biden may lose support. It's not so much the issue of people going to go vote for Trump, let's say. That's not going to happen. Just stay home. That's the real concern. And the problem with the progressives is not only their numbers, and they vote like everybody else, but they tend to be the more activists. They're the ones who vote in primaries. They're the ones who get involved in demonstrations. So they're the activist wing of the Democratic Party. And so that's really a problem for the Democrats. Other people get people out to vote. And if they lose their enthusiasm, because Biden is being too supportive of us, I think he's going to be a little worried. That's going to have an impact. And those activists have pretty much yielded the most radical faction of Congress, which brings us to the censure of Rashida Tuleb by Congress just the other day. Right, absolutely. I mean, she was the 25th person in the history of the United States to be censured by the House of Representatives. I have no problem with her being pro-Palestinian, much less so with than all of the other progressives, because she's Palestinian. I mean, if I was a Palestinian, I wouldn't like us either particularly. So I accept the fact that she's anti us. However, when she posted a tweet that talked about from the river to the sea, and then claimed, no, it's only a one for freedom. I mean, she knows enough about this conflict. She's smart enough to know what the river to the sea means, eliminating Israel, eliminating us. So she should not be able to get away with that. And she was properly censored by the House of Representatives, and yes, only about 20 Democrats censured her as well. But I guess part of the issue is, of course, they don't feel like, generally speaking, censure has been used for almost criminal acts. She was an act of speaking, and that's always a question. Do you censure people, freedom of speech, and all those things? I mean, I'm glad they censured her, but I understand why some people were a little bit reluctant to censure acts of speech as opposed to acts. I guess one of the big challenges there is, because while some Republicans might be a little reluctant to add the censure there, the fact that it was 90% of them that still voted against it makes people worry. Is the Democratic Party forming ranks along this radical fringe, because they're going to need it in the elections? I don't think it's quite there yet. I think in this particular case they did, because of the reasons that I mentioned, I think it is a concern, and I think we have to be concerned going forward. I mean, we've had to be concerned ever since Netanyahu went to the Congress and basically attacked Obama. And we started losing significant Democratic support from that moment on, and all the things that we were talking about, the trends amongst the most liberal parts of the constituency are very troubling for us for the future, and we need to address them. I'm not right now, because we can't do anything right now. It's a more long-term project that's going to acquire some really intelligence on our part. Definitely, and the consequences of that could be further reaching. We're actually going to look at what the United States has been bringing. That would be its backing in the war against Hamas, the latest round of arms shipments from the US to Israel, the White House is informing Congress, sending about $320 million worth of precision bombs to Jerusalem's hands. Our correspondent, Robert Swift, has this. Smart, precise impact, cost-effective bombs, or spice for short. The Biden administration is reportedly planning on sending a $320 million package of these precision weapons to Israel. Israeli-designed, the systems will be transferred from Rafael USA to its Israeli parent company, the Wall Street Journal reported. Essentially an upgrade kit, the weapons boost the targeting and gliding capabilities of unguided bombs. With these smart systems, it's hoped Israel can more accurately strike Hamas weapons and infrastructure hidden among the Ghazan population. The shipment comes as diplomatic pressure mounts on both Israel and the US over the number of Ghazans being killed in Israeli strikes. With more accurate weapons, it's hoped Israel can better distinguish between its enemies and the civilians crowding the Ghazan battlefield. But smart bombs are only as precise as the intelligence directing them. And as the conflict continues to rage, the fog of war only thickens. I'm gonna turn back to our discussion panel here instead I wanna open with you, Rafael. Ultimately we just saw this precision weapons being tattered here. Does this significantly change Israel's strategic or tactical capabilities on the battlefield? Yes, it's a huge improvement if we can use the spice with the little Israeli gimmick that makes it even more precise and easier to guide. It will help us be more surgical in our hitting certain targets inside the Gaza Strip and avoid collateral damage. So it will allow us to have even more offensive attitude towards targets that are situated near hospitals, buildings. All this requires weapons such as the spice. Again, yet again because it's being improved lately in such a way that you can be very, very precise with it and only limit the hit to the target without collateral damage. So it's a game changer in that sense that we're trying to do all this right now with the weapons we have. This is an improvement and it is why I think the Americans have decided to provide us with it because it complies with what they expect from us, meaning avoid as much collateral damage as possible. It will not change the fact that the number of targets we hit, it will just make it more surgical, more precise. Which Mark ultimately means that Israel has a slightly wider window to work with before the United States ultimately pressures for a ceasefire. Right, I mean look, the problem is twofold. Number one, the American public is getting whatever information they're getting from the news media which is unfiltered, usually Hamas propaganda. So the numbers they hear, the 10,000 who are killed, we have no idea how many were killed. That's the Hamas health ministry which has not exactly been an accurate source for information but the news media just accepts it. They mention the fact that it's from the Hamas but people don't get to that second part. 10,000 killed, that's the first thing they see. So I mean absolutely it improves our ability to be more precise. I think we've lost the ability in the public of mind to say well this is very surgical, we're not hitting any, there's no collateral damage in our attack. That's obviously not the case. And of course you look at the destruction, clearly even if the buildings were empty, it's clearly we're being very destructive in order to achieve our aim. So it will help a little bit. The key is of course American decision makers and also key is President Biden, how strong can he be? How can he, how much is he willing to ignore his progressive wing so to speak? His coalition was successful in binding all of them together. Is he gonna make the calculation that can't go anywhere as anyway? And so this will be over in two months or three months and we'll be able to regain the progressive wing talking about abortion and other matters that unite them against Donald Trump and the Republican Party. I think that is probably the right course for him to take obviously from our perspective it is. But it's a bit dangerous from his perspective so we'll have to see. I actually wanna really investigate the progressive wing side of the Democratic coalition because we're seeing over the past few weeks sort of breakwater, a watershed moment for public perception of them. We've seen these rallies across the United States, tens of thousands of people strong where they're chanting on college campuses, not just free Palestine, but they're chanting from the river to the sea. They're chanting, gas the Jews at some of these. They're chanting genocidal slogans. Is this in a sense the lefts Charlottesville? And if so, is it time for the Democratic Party to perhaps abandon its progressive wing and try to claw back moderate Republicans? Yes, in a lot of ways. It's a time to take an offensive against what's going on in college campuses, which clearly is where a lot of this is coming, the teaching of revolutionary theory, colonialism, all these things, because we are a colonial empire as far as they're concerned. And based on revolutionary theory that they're learning on college campuses, we can all be killed because that's where they get rid of colonialists. There's a course in Columbia that every student has to take, and it's on the reading list, a book that basically calls for that. I think we also have to look at TikTok. The fact of the matter is this is also at high school. We're seeing high school students chanting these same things. And I think we need to look at the fact that high school and college students or younger college students get something in the area of 60% of the news from TikTok. And TikTok is, from what I understand, has been about 70% pro Hamas in the algorithms that people are seeing. Because they're more Muslim saying likes, but I also question where the Chinese government is in doing all of this. And TikTok is a very dangerous tool. Those who wanna ban it in the United States, we should support that, because TikTok is an element of the Chinese government, and it's a very problematic one, and we're seeing it right now. So you combine TikTok with the revolutionary theories that are taking place on the campuses, and these need to be addressed, and they address quickly. Because, of course, it's not only us we're talking about, there are all sorts of other issues that people have been brainwashed about, and people won't even realize until it's too late. I mean, I guess, in the last minute that we have, ultimately, what would China's goal be? Why would they, why are they served by promoting such a pro Hamas narrative? Okay, well, China seems to have changed its tune to some extent. They decided they can gain more influence in the Middle East by being against us. They've worked closely now, of course, with Iran, and they still wanna attack. But they've aligned themselves with Russia or Iran, and Russia or Iran includes Hamas and a Huzhbala, and that's the side they've picked in this conflict at this point. So anything they can do to disrupt us, they're in favor, and anything they can do to seed distrust in the United States, that's part of what they're trying to do, and we're seeing them being very effective in doing that. Definitely, it's the culmination of a decades-long strategy that's caused seemingly irreparable damage to much of America's electorate. Thank you both for being in the studio with us to break this all down. For everyone else, we are out of time, at least for now, but we will see you again in just about a half hour, at the top of the next hour. Until then, thanks for watching. We'll see you again soon. 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured, and the war with Hamas continues. We bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived, and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Follow us as Israel fights terror from the South and North.  For news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war. Rarely, soldier has fallen in the fierce fighting in Gaza that's Sergeant First Class Yaakov Hazary of the 401st Armored Brigade. Hazary marks the 31st IDF casualty in the ground operation in Gaza. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Inyaho announced that the IDF was tightening the noose around Gaza City, striking far deeper into the Hamas terror group's underground fortress than ever before. Despite growing international pressure, Inyaho vows, there will be no truce nor ceasefire until Hamas releases all hostages and that no fuel will enter Gaza to power Hamas' war machine. This all comes as the Biden administration has formally requested Israel allow humanitarian pauses in the fighting. Israel maintains they will not give Hamas the ability to regroup, and that call from the United States has been joined by the entire G7 as of this morning. The northern border moves ever closer to an all-out war with Hezbollah. 20 rockets fired at the galley in Golan, over and more into this morning, even as the IDF strikes Hezbollah terror cells firing guided missiles at the border. This cross-border fire has only intensified in recent weeks. Hezbollah firing in greater volume and at greater ranges into Israeli territory, all the while aided by Hamas in the north. The escalation comes despite the United States sending two carrier strike groups and a nuclear submarine to the region. In an effort to deter Iran and Hezbollah from committing their full power to this fight. On Monday, Hamas and Lebanon fired rockets as deep into Israel as Haifa, and here's US President Biden demanding a pause in the fighting. I think there's a chance to talk from that. I did ask him for a pause in the past. Yes, it's the way the years have been. Our attention to the northern border where our correspondent, Mary McAuliffe, is standing by. Mary, walk us through the latest developments on that front. Good morning, Ariel. Yes, it's been a bit of a quieter morning here than what we've seen in the past week. We did have sirens ring out in Aramshah. This is a community right on the Lebanon border, but the IDF is now saying that that was a false alarm. So we haven't had any sirens in the north since yesterday at about 6 p.m. When there were, just as you mentioned, 20 rockets fired into northern Israeli communities in the Galileo and Golan. There were no reports of injuries from those attacks. We know a number of those were intercepted by the Iron Dome, but we do know in response, the IDF launched a number of retaliatory strikes inside southern Lebanon using both airstrikes, but also a number of different artillery attacks. The IDF also now just publishing documentation of one of those strikes that they said targeted a rockets and weapons depot that was used by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. The IDF has said throughout the past few weeks of fighting, it will continue to respond to all threats that are coming from its northern border and forces here have remained on high alert. Now, Mary, this escalation is coming despite the U.S.'s best efforts to squash any escalation north of the border, sending two carrier groups and nuclear submarine. What sort of reaction have we seen from the Americans in the region? That's right, Ariel. It's definitely not just the military and defense expenditures that they've been moving into the area saying that they're posturing to be on alert for really any threat. We know that the U.S. itself and the Biden administration has said that if there's going to be a major de-escalation in the region or major escalation in the region, excuse me, it's going to be because of these Iranian-backed proxies that includes Hezbollah, of course, but it also includes the number of different Iranian-backed proxies in Iraq and Syria, which have launched dozens of attacks on American bases in recent weeks. So this is definitely a high alert situation for the United States who is working around the clock to try and prevent that further escalation from breaking out. Yesterday, we had a senior U.S. on by Amos Khachdin, who was here on the ground. He was in Beirut, meeting with the Lebanese Prime Minister and the President. For the U.S., they're saying that it's of the utmost important that this border does not turn into a war zone, that this border does not turn into a situation like we're seeing down south and that kind of fighting between Israel and Hamas, that all forces, all hands are on deck here to try and prevent an escalation. They're doing that diplomatically, but also as you mentioned, of course, by also moving a number of different forces into the region, the airstrike carrier, the submarine that was launched this week, but also a number of different smaller groups of U.S. forces who have been repositioned throughout the Middle East, as we do consider this war going on with Israel and Hamas, but also due to the attacks on the U.S. bases. So there is absolutely fear and certainly high alert throughout this region and the U.S. is working around the clock to try and prevent that. Absolutely, Mary. Keep yourself safe out there. Thank you for that report. We're going to turn now to a discussion panel in the studio. Joining us now is Rafael Urshami, former Senior Intelligence Officer at the IDF, and Mark Schulman, Editor-in-Chief of History, Central and Editor-in-Columnist with Newsweek. Thank you both for joining us. I do want to start with you, Rafael, because your era of expertise is Lebanon as well. And we've been seeing this escalation on the North. Everyone believes that it is going to break out into a major scale, full frontal war against Hezbollah, sooner rather than later. Ultimately, even with these American assets in the region, the question is, who's going to blink first? Hezbollah or the U.S. here? Well, we're really hoping that we will take the initiative as towards the northern theater of operation. There's no reason why the Hezbollah should have the initiative. The clash is unavoidable, and unavoidable especially for us, because we cannot displace 70,000 people because of a threat, and then telling them to come back, and this threat is still there. So that's the first thing. The second thing is that we must have a pre-emptive strike because the conflict with the Hezbollah, if there will be one, will be mostly one by the one who starts with a heavy blow. We have deployed, and that gives me a kind of hope that we're going to do something, and we have deployed artillery systems, like the Raam, which is called, we might call it the mighty lightning in English, which is a very special, specific artillery system. Each battery has got 64 launching pipes in these bombs, especially very precise, and they would be using that kind of a conflict or the fact that they're being deployed, not yet used, might be a preparation for that. We have to remember that we are now in the best possible posture to start a pre-emptive strike. We have a massive American presence in the Mediterranean. We have all our reservists called up, and these reservists from the Northern coming, they have been trained recently for the last couple of years to fight that kind of threat, and different scenarios. We are now in a war mode for our economy, and this war mode, we cannot have forever. There's a limit to how much the Israeli economy can withstand such a war mode of economy. So all this put together would say that now is the time, now is the time to strike. There might be some operational necessities to take into account, like maybe not this minute, but maybe in a couple of days, or in four days, according to what's happening in the South, according to certain logistical needs. The chief of the Israeli Air Force has said very clearly the day before yesterday that the Israeli Air Force has no problem attacking the North while being busy in the South. There's no problem about that. We haven't even called all the Air Force reservists yet. Considering the American pressure on the political level, because that's where the problem lies, is there a political will in Israel to take on the Hezbollah? I would suggest that it's our country, we decide what's good for us, and I don't see how the Americans can let us down. I know there are like problems, you would mention them inside the United States because it's an electoral year. On the other hand, the United States of America are here for a reason, and it's not just to help Israel, it's to ensure stability in the Middle East. If they do not ensure that stability, then it will play in the hands of the Chinese and the Russians. There are huge American interests here to protect and defend, and that's why I believe that if... What is the difference if Hezbollah starts or we start? When it will happen, the Americans have to help us. I disagree completely. I don't think it's a good idea for us to do a preemptive strike at this point, A, not until we finish with Gaza, two, and not until we get U.S. support for a preemptive strike as opposed to a defensive. They're there to deter. If the Hezbollah strikes, they will clearly come to our aid and support, and they have firepower to stand up to that. If we strike first, it becomes more problematic. What we can accomplish in a first strike is significant, but we can't win the war from a first strike. We know the Air Force is just, I mean, as excellent as it is, striking all the missile sites is something that's almost impossible. I actually believe we should wait a year or two until we have our laser system deployed, which will change the calculus in terms of defense versus offense. Right now, I don't know how many Tamir missiles we have left. I mean, we have some in a lot, but still we've used an awful lot of missiles in the last four weeks. I'm sure we're starting to run low. We need to produce more of them. I would not get into a war with Hezbollah until we've replenished all our supplies. We have our laser system ready because an awful lot of Hezbollah missiles will probably get through and we'll see destruction to our Tel Aviv and other places, and it's not going to be easy to avoid that. So I'm in favor of waiting, trying to use diplomatic means first to get them to observe the UN agreement so that their troops remain to the north of the Lutani River as they're supposed to, put as much pressure as we can, use the US and everybody else after we've completed with Gaza. And if that doesn't work, we can consider other moves, but I think we should wait until we've completed with Gaza before we do it. That's actually a great jumping off point. You now turn our eyes to Gaza because our correspondent, Robert Swift, is standing by at the Israel-Gaza border. Robert, thank you for being with us. Walk us through the latest developments on that front. So the intensity of the fighting taking place here, it seems to have slightly reduced in the last hour since we spoke. There are still ongoing airstrikes. There is occasional fire and we can still hear drones overhead. But throughout the day, the intensity of the combat seems to, you know, it peaks and it troughs as the events take place. Now, it's worth noting that the fighting has not just been during the hours of daylight. The Israeli military conducts airstrikes during the night. And last night, it killed Mosin Abu Zina, which the IDF have said was the head of Hamas' essentially weapons research manufacturing department. And they've said that it's hoped that this will impact Hamas' ability to create rockets, improvise explosive devices, these sorts of weapons. And now, there has been two incidents of rocket fire this morning, both of them targeting Qesofim, which is a community sort of midway down the Gaza Strip in the south of Israel. Now, there was no injuries at either of these incidents. So, of course, you wouldn't expect to see an immediate impact on Hamas' ability to launch rockets off the back of the killing of this commander. However, it's hoped that the ability of them to do that in future will reduce as an important figure like this is eliminated. Now, we can see behind you in that frame just columns of smoke rising from Gaza City. Can you give us a sense of just how much has been hit there and how much of Hamas' capabilities have been damaged? Yeah, so behind me, sometimes you'll see smoke, particularly when there's a large airstrike. This will throw up what's essentially a very small mushroom cloud. Other times, you'll see big dust clouds going up, long lines of dust like that. Often, this is the movement of armored vehicles, the Israeli vehicles, as they maneuver around the battle space behind me. Now, with regards to what's the idea of doing currently, essentially they're trying to isolate Gaza City from the rest of Gaza Strip. In urban warfare, force concentration is extremely important. So the Israeli military will concentrate its forces whilst isolating Hamas' fighters. In the north of Gaza, it's understood that there are kilometers and kilometers of tunnels in which there are Hamas' fighters. The Israeli military is essentially trying to keep those areas trapped and then do its utmost to kill the Hamas' fighters that are in those areas. That's what's been taking place last night and in recent days, and indeed, that's what's taking place throughout the day today. Well, thank you very much for that update, Rob. We will be coming back to you over the course of the day as the situation and that Gaza front changes. We've got some more of this in the studio now. Mark, I wanted to turn to you because victory on the battlefield isn't always the same as victory in the court of public opinion. Those same images of Israel striking Hamas' targets are also images of, well, a devastated Gaza. And now we're hearing that some like six in 10 Democrats are saying that, well, Israel's going too far. Right, absolutely. We have a real problem with the Democratic Party that's, I would say, is divided into two problems. We have the problem of the progressive wing, which believes that Israel is a colonial enterprise and anything you do to stop a colonial enterprise is OK. And that represents some percentage, maybe 20%, 15% of the Democratic Party. But beyond that, we also have problems with African-Americans, women's lib people, and others, because of this idea of intersectionality. I mean, they overlap between those two groups, but this idea of intersectionality says if you're in favor of Black Lives Matter, if you're in favor of women's rights, if you're in favor of LGBT rights, then you have to be in favor of the Palestinians because the poor Palestinians fall into this minority group. So that makes up another part of the Democratic Party that may not be quite as thinking of us as colonials, but they have to be in favor of the poor Palestinians. And then finally, of course, it's just a question of public opinion. We've all seen the push notifications that come from places like The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. And Hamas makes an announcement, 500 people killed. Immediately, we get a push notification on all our phones. It says, Israel killed 500 people. An hour later, when the actual story comes place, or day later, depending on which story it is, no one's read that. They've all just seen the push notifications. So the story and the narrative is we're killing thousands and thousands of people. That doesn't look good. It doesn't seem good. The pictures are certainly not good. We didn't release the worst of our pictures because of who we are. Hamas does everything they can to release pictures true or false. And there's no way of saying whether they're true or false, many of them. So you see those images. You hear those images. You see the notifications. And you say, well, it's just going too far. You forget what Israel did, what the Hamas did four weeks ago. That's ancient history. That's what's going on right now. And that's always been a problem. That's been a problem of Israel throughout. I saw an interesting cartoon the other day from London. Had Assad killed 600,000 Syrians, the streets are empty. And Mimar, another 100,000 are killed. And another place, another 100,000 or 500,000 are killed. Israel? Oh, immediately the streets are filled with protests against Israel. We have a special space in the eyes of too many people that we're supposed to be better than everybody else. We're hated more than anybody else. It's some combination they're in. And immediately when you see those images, it's Israel's fault. They're going too far. And the challenge with this is these ill-informed people, these radicals, their vote counts just as much as everyone else. And it's an election year for the Democrats, particularly the primaries, with Michigan's role in the primaries being one of the major centers for Muslim Americans. This is going to be damaging for us. Well, it's more important where their roles are in terms of the electoral college. Michigan is a swing state. And that's a great concern that Biden made lose support. It's not so much the issue of people going to go vote for Trump, let's say. That's not going to happen, just stay home. That's the real concern. And the problem with the progressives is not only their numbers, and they vote like everybody else, but they tend to be the more activists. They're the ones who vote in primaries. They're the ones who get involved in demonstrations. So they're the activist wing of the Democratic Party. And so that's really a problem for the Democrats. Other people get people out to vote. And if they lose their enthusiasm because Biden is being too supportive of us, I think he's going to be a little worried that's going to have an impact. And those activists have pretty much yielded the most radical faction of Congress, which brings us to the censure of Rashida Tuleb by Congress just the other day. Right, absolutely. I mean, she was the 25th person in the history of the United States to be censured by the House of Representatives. I have no problem with her being pro-Palestinian, much less so within all of the other progressives, because she's Palestinian. I mean, if I was a Palestinian, I wouldn't like us either particularly. So I accept the fact that she's anti us. However, when she posted a tweet that talked about from the river to the sea, and then claimed, no, it's only a one for freedom. I mean, she knows enough about this conflict. She's smart enough to know what the river to the sea means, eliminating Israel, eliminating us. So she should not be able to get away with that. And she was properly censored by the House of Representatives. And yes, only about 20 Democrats censured her as well. But I guess part of the issue is, of course, they don't feel like, generally speaking, the censure has been used for almost criminal acts. She was an act of speaking, and that's always a question. Do you censure people, freedom of speech, and all those things? I mean, I'm glad they censured her, but I understand why some people were a little bit reluctant to censure acts of speech as opposed to acts. I guess one of the big challenges there is, because while some Republicans might be a little reluctant to add a censure there, the fact that it was 90% of them that still voted against it makes people worry. Is the Democratic Party forming ranks along this radical fringe because they're going to need it in the elections? I don't think it's quite there yet. I think in this particular case they did, because of the reasons that I mentioned, I think it is a concern, and I think we have to be concerned going forward. I mean, we've had to be concerned ever since Netanyahu went to the Congress and basically attacked Obama. And we started losing significant Democratic support from that moment on, and all the things that we're talking about, the trends the most liberal parts of the constituency are very troubling for us for the future, and we need to address them. Not right now, because we can't do anything right now. It's a more long-term project that's going to require some really intelligence on our part. Definitely, and the consequences of that could be further reaching. We're actually going to look at what the United States has been bringing. That would be its backing in the war against Hamas, the latest round of arms shipments from the US to Israel, the White House is forming Congress. It's sending about $320 million worth of precision bombs to Jerusalem's hands. Our correspondent, Robert Swift, has this. Smart, precise impact, cost-effective bombs, or spice for short, the Biden administration is reportedly planning on sending a $320 million package of these precision weapons to Israel. Israeli-designed, the systems will be transferred from Rafael, USA to its Israeli parent company, the Wall Street Journal reported. Essentially, an upgrade kit, the weapons boost the targeting and gliding capabilities of unguided bombs. With these smart systems, it's hoped Israel can more accurately strike Hamas weapons and infrastructure hidden among the Gazan population. We're here at the site of the rocket launchers. We're heading towards Safon, along the map. This is the shipyard, and this shipyard will enter this building, which is actually a shipyard that we even have to launch. The shipment comes as diplomatic pressure mounts on both Israel and the US over the number of Gazans being killed in Israeli strikes. With more accurate weapons, it's hoped Israel can better distinguish between its enemies and the civilians crowding the Gazan battlefield. But smart bombs are only as precise as the intelligence directing them. And as the conflict continues to rage, the fog of war only thickens. I'm going to turn back to our discussion panel here instead. I want to open with you, Rafael. Ultimately, we just saw this precision weapons being tattered here. Does this significantly change Israel's strategic or tactical capabilities on the battlefield? Yes, it's a huge improvement, if we can use the spice with the little Israeli gimmick that makes it even more precise and easier to guide. It will help us be more surgical in our hitting certain targets inside the Gaza Strip and avoid collateral damage. So it will allow us to have an even more offensive attitude towards the targets that are situated near hospitals, buildings. All this requires weapons such as the spice again, yet again, because it's being improved lately in such a way that you can be very, very precise with it and only limit the hit to the target without collateral damage. So it's a game changer in that sense that we're trying to do all this right now with the weapons we have. This is an improvement, and it is why I think the Americans have decided to provide us with it because it complies with what they expect from us, meaning avoid as much collateral damage as possible. It will not change the fact that the number of targets we hit, it will just make it more surgical, more precise. Which, Mark, ultimately means that Israel has a slightly wider window to work with before the United States ultimately pressures for a ceasefire. Right. I mean, look, the problem is twofold. Number one, the American public is getting whatever information they're getting from the news media, which is unfiltered, usually Hamas propaganda. So the numbers they hear, the 10,000 who are killed, we have no idea how many were killed. That's the Hamas Health Ministry, which has not exactly been an accurate source for information, but the news media just accepts it. They mention the fact that it's from the Hamas, but people don't get to that second part. 10,000 killed, that's the first thing they see.  I think we've lost the ability in the public of mind to say, well, this is very surgical. We're not hitting any collateral damage in our attack. That's obviously not the case. And of course, you look at the destruction. Clearly, even if the buildings were empty, it's clearly we're being very destructive in order to achieve our aims. So it will help a little bit. The key is, of course, American decision makers, and also key is President Biden. How strong can he be? How much is he willing to ignore his progressive wing, so to speak? His coalition was successful in binding all of them together. Is he going to make the calculation that can't go anywhere as anyway? And so this will be over in two months or three months, and we'll be able to regain the progressive wing talking about abortion and other matters that unite them against Donald Trump and the Republican Party. I think that is probably the right course for him to take. Obviously, from our perspective, it is. But it's a bit dangerous from his perspective, so we'll have to see. I actually want to really investigate the progressive wing side of the Democratic coalition, because we're seeing over the past few weeks a sort of breakwater, a watershed moment for public perception of them. We've seen these rallies across the United States, tens of thousands of people strong, where they're chanting on college campuses, not just free Palestine, but they're chanting from the river to the sea. They're chanting, gas the Jews. At some of these, they're chanting genocidal slogans. Is this, in a sense, the left's Charlottesville? And if so, is it time for the Democratic Party to perhaps abandon its progressive wing and try to claw back moderate Republicans? Yes, in a lot of ways. It's time to take an offensive against what's going on in college campuses, which clearly is where a lot of this is coming, the teaching of revolutionary theory, colonialism, all these things, because we are a colonial empire as far as they're concerned. And based on revolutionary theory that they're learning on college campuses, we can all be killed, because that's where you get rid of colonialists. There's a course in Columbia that every student has to take, and it's on the reading list, a book that basically calls for that. I think we also have to look at TikTok. The fact of the matter is this is also at high school. We're seeing high school students chanting these same things. And I think we need to look at the fact that high school and college students, or younger college students, get something in the area of 60% of the news from TikTok. And TikTok, from what I understand, has been about 70% pro Hamas in the algorithms that people are seeing. Now, because they're more Muslim saying likes, but I also question where the Chinese government is in doing all of this. And TikTok is a very dangerous tool. Those who want to ban it in the United States, we should support that, because TikTok is an element of the Chinese government, and it's a very problematic one, and we're seeing it right now. So you combine TikTok with the revolutionary theories that are taking place on the campuses, and these need to be addressed, and they address quickly, because of course, it's not only us we're talking about. There are all sorts of other issues that people are being brainwashed about, and people won't even realize until it's too late. I mean, I guess when the last minute that we have, ultimately, what would China's goal be? Why are they served by promoting such a pro Hamas narrative? Okay, well, China seems to have changed its tune to some extent. They decided they can gain more influence in the Middle East by being against us. They've worked closely now, of course, with Iran, and they still want to attack, but they've aligned themselves with Russia or Iran, and Russia or Iran includes Hamas and includes Hezbollah, and that's the side they've picked in this conflict at this point. So anything they can do to disrupt us, they're in favor, and anything they can do to cede distrust in the United States, that's part of what they're trying to do, and we're seeing them being very effective in doing that. Definitely, it's the culmination of a decade.


Democratic Senator Mark Warner is one of just a handful of Democrats currently blocking the passage of the proact in the Senate And he tried to explain his opposition to the proact while not sounding too anti-labor In fact, he kind of wraps his opposition in this package. That's ostensibly pro-labor when in actuality He's just a corporate show and he's advocating for his donor's interests nonetheless. Let's watch what he has to say This is embarrassing because you can see him in real time try to twist himself into a pretzel to justify His refusal to support something that would be the most pro-worker policy in decades. Nonetheless Let's enjoy this because he's gonna score him and it's almost cringe-worthy You almost feel bad for him But at the same time you don't because he kind of deserves the scrutiny the proact is a combination of you know a dozen plus pieces of legislation the vast majority of which I support I support the right of workers to organize I believe that the Balance between workers and management till it's way too much to management right now And that was exacerbated under four years of Donald Trump where the National Labor Relations Board was totally I think biased against worker rights so there's a lot to like in the proact and You know, but what I what I want to get to is you know, how can we make? Some of the areas where I'd like to see some corrections so that you know this very expansive piece of legislation Could be supported on the floor and one area that I you know, I've sent you Megan all my background I this is a an area that I've been focused on literally for the last six years And that's the changing nature of work You know, we had an economy in the 20th century where people would go to work Oftentimes for a long time my dad worked for the same company for 36 years Never made a lot of money, but with that work came a whole series of benefits health care retirement unemployment disability That notion of long-term permanent work with a single firm is fundamentally changing We think about our guy think about my kids. So we're in their 20s and early 30s You know, they're all gonna have a variety of job many of them want a variety of jobs and and variety of gigs They want the flexibility of whether it's driving uber part-time running out their apartment air BNB You know being a part-time IT consultant, you know, maybe you know, maybe working in a restaurant as well having a series of revenue sources all at the same time what I have promoted is a What I think is a fairly dramatic change in our social safety net that says no matter what kind of work you do Starting with that first hour of work There ought to be benefits attached and my fear is that Parts of the pro act tries to fit all work into kind of a 20th century classic W2 employment status. I think there ought to be a way where we can provide benefits Provide flexibility. I still think there is a role for labor organizations to help manage these benefits particularly for somebody who's got a variety of revenue sources coming in that Meets workers where they're at in 2021 doesn't think we're gonna return to a 1980s kind of economy and The interesting thing even within the labor movement Their organizations like the freelancers union Like the National Domestic Workers Alliance that I've been working with very closely that believe that this portable benefit approach ought to be part of the new social contract and I look forward to working with them and members of Traditional organized labor to get to a spot that will allow me to support all the other good things that are in the pro act But also has a forward-leaning view in terms of what work looks like in the 20th the 21st century I do not think we're gonna go back to the world where everyone works, you know in a classic 40-hour a week full-time job Long-term employment. I just think that the nature of the world the nature of technology the nature of globalization has changed things And we need to have a social contract and a set of benefits that meets workers where they are today Not where they were in the 1980s So notice how he states that he has some issues and some disagreements with the pro act as it stands But he doesn't really specify which provisions in particular. He doesn't like Because he is more comfortable operating, you know with these vague generalities. Well, some of these provisions They might not necessarily be helpful to workers. They might go too far yada yada yada I'm paraphrasing obviously, but he doesn't want to speak with any specificity because if he did he would reveal That he's not actually pro-labor. He's a shill for large multinational corporations who bankroll his political campaigns and He's being incredibly disingenuous and I think that part of what he said is based on him Just being ignorant and out of touch with American workers But he said that you know basically there's this changing nature of work and of course He's referring to the gig economy where people aren't just working at Walmart They're working at Walmart and then they're doing some part-time gigs for Uber Maybe they work at you know a different job and then on the weekends they deliver for a Company where they pick up the food. I'm blinking on the name. What is it Uber eats? Is that it? Yeah? There's a couple of them door-dash So he's trying to make it seem like you know, there's this changing American workforce You know these traditional jobs that were previously standard are no longer there So, you know, we don't want to make sure that we take that away with their pro acts people love having this opportunity To do different things they just have so many interests that they want to work a little bit at Walmart and McDonald's and then Drive for Uber and lift on the weekends. Nobody wants to do all of this dummy That's the thing that he didn't point out. It's not like people are working at Walmart and Then on the weekend they drive for Uber because they just love working in different fields They're working for multiple jobs and doing different gigs because they don't have a choice Because that's the only way they can put food on the table because the one job that they have Doesn't actually pay a living wage So they have no choice Imagine being that out of touch Where you think that people are working multiple jobs because they want to because they love the experience in different sectors Who says things like this? I'll tell you who a shill Isn't looking out for labor Now there's this implication that if the pro act were to pass then the gig economy Which a lot of people rely on to make additional revenue that would go away It's another way that he tries to code his anti pro act rhetoric in this pro labor package But that's not actually the case and a more perfect union actually explained how this isn't going to strip away the Flexibility of workers if you actually want to work at uber and McDonald's simultaneously, this isn't gonna stop that It's not gonna force them into permanent positions But what it will do is give them the option to unionize and a more perfect union fact checked his statement And said the pro act lets independent contractors join a union It doesn't force them into any employment status and for the more this idea that the pro act or greater Unionization it would destroy the gig economy and force people who don't want to be in permanent positions into permanent positions This is nothing more than baseless fear-mongering because a more perfect union shared an article from the Economic Policy Institute that explains That the pro act doesn't actually do that a the pro act is about giving workers a voice not taking away freedom B the pro act is about making it harder for employers to misclassify workers as independent contractors Not ending the contractor designation and see the pro act does not change a workers employment status that impacts state benefits Like workers compensation or unemployment. These are the facts about the pro act So everything that he's saying it's all based on nothing It's baseless fear-mongering at the behest of this corporate donors who desperately want to defeat the pro act because they Don't want their workers to unionize Period end of story and just a little side note here You know, they say that capitalism breeds innovation and they may be right because capitalism Found a way an innovative new way to exploit workers more so than the employer employee relationship already does and that is the gig economy Because as badly as employees are treated by employers employers can now treat workers somehow worse than employees It's honestly just it really is innovative I don't know how else to describe it, but certainly this exploitative relationship wouldn't go away with the pro act But it would at least embolden workers To have collective bargaining rights now he says that he supports collective bargaining rights But he doesn't mention that the bill that he opposes actually addresses the things that stop Employees from getting collective bargaining rights It stops the disgusting practices that employers use to intimidate and defeat attempts to unionize Now I've been overly charitable to even entertain Mark Warner's vapid arguments against the pro act because let's cut to the chase He doesn't support it because he's corrupt. He took thousands of dollars from large multinational corporations Impact money and even from amazon who is vehemently anti-union and that's why he's against the pro act So if you're tired of all of his excuses, then you should let him know His DC office number is two zero two two two four two zero two three And of course, I will be giving him a call on the show with a simple message support the pro act Thank you for calling the office of senator mark Warner if you'd like to leave an opinion for the senator Please press one. Oh, I would Thank you for calling with your opinion for senator mark Warner your opinion is quite important to him Is it Hi, I just want to call to encourage senator warner to stop being a coward and to support the pro act I noted that he took thousands of dollars in corporate pack money from amazon who's vehemently anti-union But I just want to remind him that The people elected him not amazon. So if he actually has a spine do the right thing and support the pro act And I'm not sure if I am able to speak with a staff member But I want to make sure that I can Although it's probably late in DC. We'll try. We'll see. I think it was option number two We'll give it a try. Okay. So, you know I left a message you can leave a message as well.  We're demanding Because it's about time that workers in america Actually have the right to unionize.  It's one of the most pro labor pieces of legislation in decades So at the bare minimum, this is the least That corporate shills like mark warner should be doing if they even want to Have any credibility when they speak using this rhetoric that's seemingly pro labor So, yeah, I'll leave that there. He needs to support the pro labor Pro act And if he doesn't then he needs to be primaried and he needs to lose his seat period