Live from Orlando, Florida, it's theCUBE, covering Microsoft Ignite. Brought to you by Cohesity and theCUBE's ecosystem partners. Welcome back everyone to theCUBE's live coverage of Microsoft Ignite. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host Stu Miniman. We have two guests for this segment. We have Ross Smith, the principal program manager at Microsoft, and Greg Taylor, who is the director of product marketing at Microsoft. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having us. So I want to start off by talking about messaging. You are both legends in the Microsoft messaging world. Sorry to be obsequious here. That just means we're old. You've been around a while. It's not your first rodeo, right? So talk a little bit about what's new, what the enhancements you're doing for Enterprise. It is the most used app. Yeah. Well, so we're launching Exchange Server 2019 this year. It's another version of on-premises exchange. It's incredible. We had 2,000 people registered to the session. We had 1,000 in the room. There's still some love for on-prem Exchange, for no doubt. So that's been the big thing we're talking about at Ignite this year. For those customers, and I'll be honest, it's very much a release aimed at large enterprise customers who want to keep some Exchange on-prem. So we strongly believe that small-medium business should be in the cloud. So we focused on the kind of features that really large enterprises already want to get from Exchange. Yeah, and then from an app perspective, we've been heavily invested with Outlook for iOS and Android to bring a unique and valuable experience for both consumers and commercial users using both Office 365 and Exchange on-premises. We now have 100 million users using Outlook Mobile today. And it's been a great experience. And we continue to evolve the app as on a weekly basis now. Can you talk a little bit about the evolution of the app and what kinds of features and enhancements you're using for both the consumers and enterprise? Right, yeah. So the app originally began as a consumer acquisition, which we've now targeted and rebranded as Outlook. And we've been heavily focused on bringing enterprise features that our users know and love. Office 365 Groups is a great example of an experience that we've built into the app that no other native mail client or third-party mail client can deliver today. We've delivered other enterprise security-specific features like Azure Active Directory conditional access so customers can lock down what mobile apps can access the service and prevent any other client from doing so. And then of course there's in-tune app protection policies which allow us and customers to ensure only the corporate data is protected and exclude the personal data so that we can ensure there's no data leakage scenarios going. I wonder if we could step back for a second. I think about messaging, it's very diverse. I mean I remember back in the 90s I was helping companies get access to this whole internet thing and lands and setting up, oh we're going to go from faxes and memos to email, show how old I am in this business too. But today our mobile devices, a lot of what we're doing, companies whether they have their own data centers or doing their cloud, there's usually lots of different ways we communicate. I mean my joke is the best way to communicate with someone is probably the one that they prefer to and hopefully aren't buried in. Because we all have the slacks and all those other things out there. How do you view the, how does the kind of exchange and outlook and those fit into the overall portfolio and interact with everything else? I mean from the exchange side, I mean the email is dead. I've heard email is dead for I don't know how many years but email is still one of the primary communication methods we all use and rely upon. And so exchange was one of the applications that kind of coined the mission critical application moniker, right? 22 years ago, 20 years ago exchange was one of the mission critical apps but we actually kind of think of exchange now as almost a service, a commodity like the power. And most people it's kind of interesting we have the front and the back end of things. I'm thinking about the messaging infrastructure the back and Ross is now working on the client side. Most people will see the client features and think of them as outlook and client features but a lot of them are exchange features which are surfaced in the client. It's been a real kind of evolution that we've got to a point where nobody really cares about the back end unless it's not there. Then that's a problem but most of the things surfaced in the client. And so what we see is that, the transition from typical on-premises infrastructure to the cloud service usually generally begins with email into the Office 365 stack and that starts lighting up additional features and then from like a mobility perspective we're seeing that that begins the on ramp into mobile because like Greg mentioned we've had email capability on mobile devices integrated in exchange for 17 years now. So it's a very ubiquitous thing to have on a mobile device. So it's just a natural progression just to use email on a mobile device. And then that begins lighting up as customers move to Office 365 they start lighting up additional features like Teams integration or Skype for Business or any of the other Office apps. And then they just light up naturally and then through all of our protection mechanisms we're able to ensure that that tire experience is secure from an IT business and protecting. So just speaking of the evolution of messaging in and of itself, what do you see people who've been in the industry for a long time what do you see as next? I mean, where do we go from here? Email they say is dead, we know it's not dead but what are sort of the next kinds of generation of features and enhancements that you see customers really needing and that you're working on at Microsoft? Yeah. I think exchange was really interesting from an Office 365 perspective is exchange isn't really just a messaging engine anymore it's a data store that we are through things like graph and all the other applications is giving business a whole new way of looking at the data and so we're pulling data from all the different places exchange is becoming almost a plumbing kind of infrastructure piece but it's a key data source and I think so the data is still there the communication is still there but I think much of the future development is in the client side apps and how people interact with the data and the backend just becomes the infrastructure, right? Actually, you're being up a great point if I could just, a premise that my head of research at Wikibon had is talking about Microsoft's position in AI today and Office 365 and the messaging that you have, there's so much data there if you wanted to, what are people working about? How can a company understand that? How can Microsoft help businesses in general? There's a touch point that even an infrastructure as a service provider wouldn't have but you really get to the end point in the end users and productivity and that's a huge opportunity for Microsoft in the future as long as you're not messing with our data you're not as heavy into some of the other messaging people out there that you're like, wait, why am I getting ads for that stuff? Or I think I talked about that stuff, yeah. That's a great point, Stu, because going back to Outlook Mobile is an example, right? We're heavily invested in AI driven capabilities into that app, zero touch search as an instance. You can go right in the app, tap one button and you see your favorite contacts. You get your discover information from the office graph, your next itinerary and travel information and we're lighting up that functionality across the board throughout the app, location rich data using Cortana time to leave services so that you can get to a meeting at the right time as opposed to a typical, oh, it reminded me of 15 minutes and I got a hop 45 minutes down the other end of where are we west in the west building, right? So we're building all that functionality in the clients like Outlook Mobile and the rest of the stack to help drive that type of capabilities. And all of that data's in the back end, right? I mean you said email is this repository of incredible business information and so the question is how you leverage that, how do you take what's in there and surface it in a way that makes sense to the users, right, and so it's a fascinating time at the moment where the data's there, we're just going to know how to use it in the right way and I agree using it in the right way and not using it to sell stuff is that's the, that's absolutely our approach to it so super important. And you work closely with clients to come up with this new kinds of functionality, I mean as one of the biggest challenges that so many technology companies face is staying on the cutting edge of these ideas and innovation, so how closely are you working with customers to dream up new functionality? Yeah, we're working with customers all the time. We do it through a variety of different channels so we have user voice which allows customers and end users to directly interface and provide their ideas. We have private preview programs where we target customers on about specific new feature sets and tap programs like we're doing with Exchange 2019 as well as future releases within Office 365 that enable that type of experience. So I mean Exchange I think historically has always been very customer focused, very community focused, we have a great bunch of MVPs, the tap program, the technology adoption program is a bunch of customers that deploy our pre-production code in production for us so we've got some real big customers who they're running versions of Exchange that the world hasn't seen. One of the themes we heard in Satya's keynote yesterday is that business productivity and we know one of the biggest challenges out there is you get this new stuff and you're like, well I'm going to pretty much just try to use it the way I always have been doing it and some of us have been using emails for decades and decades and I look at my own usage and like, wow I'm probably a bit out of date if I could just wipe my brain and say like, okay here's this cool new tool that could do all this stuff and like we wouldn't even call it email, we'd call it something different. I know you guys do things like the Channel 9 broadcast, I'm sure there's lots of things on the website, how do you help customers learn to use the new stuff and get rid of some of the things that the old habits that they had and using these technology and you know, can you get everybody to stop or reply to all in the big group? That would be super helpful. You can work on that please. That's interesting. So we're building it into the apps to be honest. We're doing a lot of work whenever we release new features to light up an experience within the app that guide the user on how to use that new functionality to help them understand what they can do with the app as well as simplifying the overall app structure. You look at some of our apps, they've become very bloated in terms of all the widgets you have available and knobs to control it. And we're trying to simplify that stack. We're refreshing Outlook with Outlook 2019 in the Office Pro Plus. We're refreshing the user interface on desktop. We're doing the same in Mac. We've done it in Outlook for iOS. We're redoing OWL as well in Office 365 all to enhance and simplify the experience and as well provide a consistent experience across all the end points. I mean, if the question is here, how do we wean people off email? How do we get them off email? It's their old habits and patterns, yeah. And it's kind of funny that but it still works. I remember having a conversation with somebody once who there was a presentation we did once and it was a team we do more of a social kind of thing and their view was they put a picture of the Queen of England up on a slide and said, email is old like the Queen of England. And my response was so of fire and the wheel but they seem to be hanging around pretty well so far. So I think there are certain things for which email is still king. But it's evolving and changing. I think we're still waiting for the real killer app that replaces email. It's not Yammer. It's not. It's not what? It's not Yammer. So I'm not going on camera saying that. But I think the way I prefer to think of it is I don't really matter what the client is or how you want to interact with it. If we can all use an app that suits our own style of working. Right, my inbox is zero inbox. I'm a zero inbox kind of guy, right? If I can work like that and interact with people who want to work on a different client, I'm happy. So not to go on the Yammer piece but you maybe take a little bit of acquisitions. Big acquisitions like LinkedIn and GitHub. Messaging ties into both of those quite a bit. And any visibility you can give. I know there's some integrations there but how does that look? So we're launching LinkedIn integration without look for iOS and Android as we speak. And that's something that we'll be rolling out shortly. And it enables within the people or contact card you can quickly see information from their LinkedIn data set. As well as the ability for us to push data from Office 365 into LinkedIn. So that LinkedIn users can also see relevant information about who that person's interacting with from a calendar type of perspective. We are definitely taking that availability and providing that through our mutual customers. Great. Well Ross and Greg, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. It was great. I'm Rebecca Knight for Stu Miniman. We will have more of theCUBE's live coverage from the Orange County Civic Center, Microsoft Ignite in just a little bit.


So we're here in Shenzhen, here with the Libre computer and these are all the boards that you have right now on the market, right? Yes, currently we've done three kick starters to basically create these development boards using off-the-shelf chips that are available on the market. So we currently have three solutions. The first solution is the Hemlogic S905X and in this board we basically upstream a lot of silicon support in mainline Linux and Uboot with our partners in Bay Libre so that people can sort of use these as Linux IoT devices or edge computing devices. And then these... So you upstream, you get all the Linux stuff up there? Yes, so... What did you upstream for example? So for example, just in terms of this device tree and various drivers for HDMI, USB and Ethernet and there's a lot of also community members who provide a support for various drivers on this SOC including like the Ethernet PHY, like USB and USB OTG, all the GPIO like SPI and then all the functionality on the board that previously wasn't exposed. So vendors usually have a BSP and they are based on a really old version of Linux which is not suitable for a lot of applications, especially in today where security is sensitive and people need to keep as close to upstream as possible. So we sort of help the community or have the community... It's both ways so we help the community and the community helps us upstream support for these boards and provide a sort of development solution on these chip technologies that are available. How much is that one for sale for? So this one is for sale for $35 for the 1G and then it's for the 2G is $45 on the US market. So people can just buy it on Libre.computer? Yes, we have distributors and then you can also buy these on Amazon. They are readily available along with various different accessories. So which one was the first one you did? This was our first Kickstarter which raised about $60,000. We did a second Kickstarter for this one which gained about $20,000 but it was a quick short Indiegogo campaign. And then we have the all winner solution here. This is based on Rockchip so Rockchip 3228. This has DDR4 which is really expensive nowadays but it's really fast and it has USB 3.0 and gigabit ethernet and two USB ports. So this one is just a bunch of USB 2? Yes, so this is USB 2 with 100 megabit. Yes, four USB but there's only two channels. One is distributed, three of the USB ports share a hub chip because there's only two USB hosts on this. These two are both 4K60 boards capable of doing VP9, H265 and H264 decode as well as this one can do dual 720p encodes. So they're used for a lot of different new applications involving video. And then you can hook up a UBC camera that works with Mainline Linux and basically have an IP video solution using these ports. What kind of Linux can people run on these? Since we upstream support in Mainline Linux, you can run Debian, you can run Ubuntu, you can package it up with any sort of distribution that uses Linux. Yes, you can use it with pretty much any solution. There's not really any limit. Do people have preferences with the smaller, more compact Linuxes sometimes? You can do build routes, you can do Yachto on this board. We haven't done Yachto on this board yet but Rockchip has done a lot of support for this specific board on the upstream portion of the open source projects. So there's good Linux on that one? So these are all based on good upstream software support SOCs. They basically can all run Mainline with the exception of probably the video decoder. So 3D, Wayland, the whole nine yards. ARM recently released the Utgard libraries for Highkey which can be used with these. Is that Mali GPU drivers? Yes, so they can be used with upstream kernel with a few patches. Nice, so that means any Mali device? Not just these but any Mali device has OK Linux support with Mali stuff? Yeah, so the recently released Mali 7.0 for Highkey, they have a license that allows you to distribute that binary with any ARM board. These are based on the Mali 450s and the 450s are the Utgard generation and these are supported by that binary. So you just need a couple of hooks into the Mainline Linux patches onto Mainline Linux to drive these for Wayland or some other application. What are you doing in here? So this is based on the Raspberry Pi form factor. So you have all the UARTs GPIO, SPI and other functionality on here. It includes some I2S functionality. So this board actually has additional I2S pins as well as UART. This has ADC. So this is almost standard with Raspberry Pi. You can pretty much use most hats. So unlike some other board vendors, we do as close to pin to pin as possible for the alternate functionality on the pins. So same place, is it so Raspberry Pi kind of design or what do you say? Yeah, so this form factor is entirely based on the Raspberry Pi form factor because one of our partners has designed numerous products for Raspberry Pi family and we want to reuse all that work that's been put into this form factor both by the community and by Raspberry Pi Foundation. So what products, for example? Like cases, various hats, like additional storage devices, audio devices that go on the hat. Is it easy to power one of these off power bank? Yes, so this one's especially low power because the chip used is S905X which is used by a lot of TV boxes. And in Shenzhen, they have been building the TV boxes for ultra low cost, which means that the power supplies need to be extremely sort of efficient, low power. And then at idle, this thing, if you don't have video on, will use less than about 130 mA at 5 volts, which means it can consume extremely low amounts of power for a quad-core A53. So you can use a 1A power bank, like any power bank. Yeah, pretty much. Just plug it into there in the micro USB, that's the charge. Yeah, at full load, yes, at full load running like a synthetic benchmark, this board will consume less than 4 watts. And then this one's slightly more power hungry, but it's not that power hungry. What it brings to the table is Superfast USB 3, so this can actually achieve near the bandwidth limit of USB 3. Is it gigabit? Yeah, along with gigabit. And how about the price on that one? This one is $40 for the 1GIG, so this is 35, this is 40. The video codec support on this one is slightly better than the ROCK chip, but the ROCK chip is steadily improving. And so both of these solutions, it depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for like a really low power solution, go with this one. If you're looking for a higher end, like say USB NAS solution, you would go with this one. And you set it to 44... For 1 gigabyte. For 1 gigabyte, how about you have 2? 2 gigs is $50, and then 4 gigs is $80. Right now, the limitation is the DDR-core that's being used. So one of these chips alone costs nearly $10, $10 US dollars. So if you put 4 gigs, your RAM is around $40 already. That's not including the rest of the manufacturing cost. That's why Samsung made such great quarterly results recently. Yes. And I guess this is not the one. This is the SK Hynix. Yeah, so these are all using top of the line memory. Whereas other vendors use lower speed memory, we use the highest available memory. So this one is actually running at 2133. This one's running at 2133 DDR4. Whereas other vendors will use 1866 DDR. Nice. So we don't cut down quality in terms of our board. So if you compare other boards, the PCB manufacturing, they use very low quality PCBs. We use basically the highest quality components available. So how about there's a microSD card slot right here, which you can fit 256 or? Yeah, so microSD card is sort of standard. You can support any microSD card size that's on the market. There's a lot of issues. People don't understand the difference between FAT32 and XFAT. And XFAT is needed for over 32 gigabytes. But you would flash the images onto here, and these will support any... There's no chip there. This is DDR as well. Some more DDR. Yeah, so you have Raspberry Pi, which uses LPDDR, which is one chip for the entire board. We use standard DDR, which is faster than LPDDR in most situations. So basically it's much better than Raspberry Pi, right? Yeah, so performance-wise, it depends on what you're looking for. Raspberry Pi is also good. Very good. They spent a lot of effort optimizing the cost structure of that. But it's still using LPDDR2, which is much slower, and then still using 40 nanometer process for the chips. So the power consumption, especially on the Raspberry Pi B+, is much higher than these boards, by factors of 50 on top of this board and by a factor of 3 on this board. So a Raspberry Pi 3 will use around 2 amps at full load. This one will use 0.7 at full load. This one will run at 1 amp-ish. So it's better to have a 2A power bank for that one? Yes. How about the... So MicroUSB can only support... It was designed to support 1.8 amps. When you're running more than 1.8 amps, you run into voltage issues, like you get with the ASUS Tinker board or the Raspberry Pi 3. You know, everybody sources special power supplies. But with these, you can use front-of-the-mill power supplies like your phone charger, and you won't have any issues with power supply stability. Only when you use super cheap $2 power supplies that come from, I hate to say, China, but that you order off... We're in China. I don't know. That you order off... China's great. Yeah. That you order off AliExpress, where it's basically 250 milliamps, and they mark it as 2.5 amps. Those power supplies will not work for obvious reasons. But stability-wise, you can pretty much use any reliable power supply from any vendor, like including your cell phone chargers from any phone in the last three years or five years. When you buy one of these, do you get the charger with it? No.  You have... How about the... This is quite powerful. It's a quad-core A17. It's kind of a power... It's not a small... It's not a small performance. So this is... It's quite a lot higher than A53, right? This is actually both of these... Both of these... Yeah, so these are the RK3328. We're not using out-of-order because out-of-order just consumes way too much power for this form factor. You're going to run to heat issues if you put an A17 in a case. I'm going to make stuff as 3288, that's another... Yeah, 3288 is the... This is 3328. Yes, correct. So you have 4K under 5 watts in 99% of use cases. So these are extremely powerful boards. And then here we have the latest Kickstarter. So these haven't been nailed out to Kickstarter. They were just finished manufacturing this week, actually. These are based on all-winner solution. The community for all-winner... The open-source community for all-winner is really healthy. It's by Linux Sunsea. So they have people all over Europe, all over the world sort of working on upstream support for these. And then Armbian has been especially good in bringing support for these boards when the vendor are not bringing support. What's the Armbian? Armbian is basically... Basically they package up Ubuntu and Debian for ARM-based boards. And they basically do the work that board vendors will not. And make it easy for user... Who are they? Just some open community? Yeah, they're by a couple people in Europe, mostly and a couple people in the United States. And they do great work bringing ease of use to ARM boards. Are these A53s too? Different amounts of cores or what's going on here? So we have three versions. So this is the most expensive version with two gigabytes with all-winner H5. Is that an octa-core? Yeah, it's a quad-core A53 built on 40 nanometers. It has a camera interface. In addition to the... These boards do not have camera interfaces. But this board has a camera interfaces. But these boards have 4K60 and UHD and H265 and all the other video goodness. Isn't the H series also for video? Yes, but this only supports HDMI 1.4 and HDCP 1.4. So this is HDMI 2. Yeah, this is HDMI 2. All of these support CBBS. This one has an additional microphone here. And this is a 100 megabit ethernet and four separate USB channels. So this has two separate USB channels plus a USB 3 channel. This has two USB channels and one of them is split off to a hub. So this one has four separate USB channels. So that's the higher end of these three? Yeah, so this is the higher end of these three. The differences between H5, H3 and our H2 board is that this comes with 512 megabytes of RAM. I mean, yeah, this one comes with 1 gig. This comes with 2 gigs and this one is also 64 bit. And the prices? The prices are... It's still in the process of being determined because... Because it's a Kickstarter price, right? Yeah, so component prices have shot up dramatically. So before the SMT components used to be like $2 or $3 for the board, now they're in the range of $8 or $9. For the RAM, you mean? Not the RAM. So RAM has increased, doubled since 2006, from about $2 to $4. 2006 or 2016? 2016, yeah. And then the passive components, they've dramatically increased this year due to supply constraint. There's too many people that want these things.  Some components shot up by 10 volts. So before it was a couple of cents, now it's a couple of nickels. Are these the camera and all these? Yeah, so these are using the DVP camera. So it's a parallel camera interface. So you can share it with boards like the orange pie. You can use the orange pie cameras on these. What's the orange pie? Orange pie is another vendor in Shenzhen that develops boards, like really low cost boards based on all-winner and numerous other IC vendors. I've seen, I've known about the banana pies. Now there's the orange pie, too, and the raspberry pie. And which pie are you? I'm not a pie. Okay, you're not a pie. So I don't want to... You're not a pie. I want to stay away from pie-ness. Customers are free to do their own pies. That's why I'm choking. Yes. So the idea is that these are all open market components that you can source. So one of the issues with the Raspberry Pi Foundation is that the Broadcom SoC is not sourceable, and you have to go through the distributor FAEs in order to build solutions around that. And then that usually entails much higher cost than open market components that you can... You would think with all these raspberry pies they sold, they'd be pretty good with the open source stuff by now, right? The Broadcom chip. The Broadcom chip support is good, but with all ARM chips there's binary blobs. So with the Raspberry Pi specifically, they have a... Extra blobs? Yeah. So what happens is they actually start their CPU from the GPU. And then the GPU is actually a 30-bit... It can address 30 bits of the RAM. And then it's sort of like the co-processor that sort of starts the main CPU. And then that entire portion where the GPU starts is completely sealed off. So you don't know what happens. You can't tweak... So for example, you can't create your own custom camera because the firmware doesn't support it. And there's no source code for it. For all-winner boards, the community basically reverse engineered all of it. So there's nothing really... All of it? Yeah, like all of it. The GPU too. I mean in terms of the boot stuff. So there's basically no proprietary stuff in the boot portion of these three boards. So in terms of openness or libre, should I say, the all-winner solutions based on H2, H3 and H5 are by far the most open SOCs available like that have a decent amount of power and are low-cost.  So that is unavoidable. And we try our best, but we can only go so far in terms of sort of opening these technologies. How are they thinking of doing something else other than open the trusted firmware to have some other, what you call it, ACPI or something? Is that related? Yeah, so it will still depend on trusted firmware because the trusted firmware allows vendors to do things like HDCP, allows vendors to do things like Widevine DRM on top of Android. It's a half-open, half-closed situation where they basically close off a certain portion of the boot and the control of the SOC into a higher execution level that allows you to do secure processing of video because Netflix won't let you watch 4K if you don't have Widevine DRM or PlayReady DRM. It's basically mandated by the content industry. That's some secure firmware stuff. Yes, to have secure path for videos. They're afraid people are going to want rip DVDs, rip the streams. Yeah, so it's basically inconvenience to the users that pay for it. People are always going to be able to rip the streams. It doesn't block anything. It's just the convoluted way that the content industry... I don't think it's Netflix because the movie studio is right. Yeah, it's the content industry that mandates this which means that Netflix has to implement it. It's Disney and those people. Their model hasn't exactly caught up with modern distribution. To distribute a video online nowadays does not cost that much. But they all get a really good driver now from right of our arm for the Mali stuff. Is Mali here too? 400 or which one? Yeah, so this is Mali 450, 450, 400 and 400. They're based on the art card generation from a couple of years ago. There's an open source effort by some people to basically reverse engineer that Mali driver to build the open source version but that's still quite a bit away. But there is a community effort around that. There was a new thing recently, right? It was a Lima but now there's something else. Got the name of it. So there's Lima for... There's Lima for Mali art card. So the 4X. There's Tamali for or Tamil for the mid-card generation which is the Mali 7X and 8X and 6X. And then you have the Bitfrost, the latest stuff. So this is based on the Mali 4X which is still not open by arm. Even though the GPU is kind of like old by modern standards. How the power consumption of these compared to that one. This is a king or is this also very good with power? So these are they have a fixed voltage regulator so some all-winner solutions they have adjustable voltage on the SOCs but I think all-winner is moving away from that model to a fixed one because you have issues of like the implementation being different and causing all kinds of overheating issues. We've locked these to 1 GHz or they go up to 1 GHz but the voltage is just locked at 1.1 and 1.2 volts for these. This is like the most stable and verified setting and because we want these development boards to be reliable platforms for development we don't want people to be advertising these as 1.2 GHz or 1.3 GHz as some people advertise or even to the extreme and 1.5 GHz because these chips are 40 Nm and just flat out will not run that. And what's the Nm or these? These are 28 Nm the power consumption is slightly higher on these compared to these two but not significant enough because we limit the clock rates. So these run at this runs at 1.4 this runs at 1.5 and these are locked in at like at the top end at 1 GHz But you were talking about the power consumption here? Yeah, so this is the quite low but how about these power consumption? You can get them to about 1. something watt if you turn majority of the components Again, any 1A power bank or chargers? Yeah, so at the top end this one might consume a little bit more power but these two are similar because of the clock speed differences because this has an extra 40% more performance at the 1.4 GHz and this has at 1 GHz. Is that the DDR4 over here right? Yeah, so this one's DDR4 DDR3 and DDR3 So this DDR3 is much higher performance in these DDR3 chips because this can only go up to around 1300 MHz for the DDR frequency this one can go to 2130 What were the prices on Kickstarter for these three? So this one was $9 Yes, so it costs us a lot more to build it so it costs us in the range of $20 to build this and it costs us $20 to people Yeah, so hardware doesn't really So yeah, these are development boards How many people vote this one? I forget the numbers but we have around 1.5K of inventory booked so we manufactured 2.5K But the hardware is still below cost We even pay for some upstream support along with we also support open source companies I mean projects teams across the world How do you do that too? Yeah, so we give away free hardware also we sponsor some projects like for example or upstreaming specific components we actually spend money on doing that and the money we spend on software exceeds the amount of Kickstarter funds that we raised So we're basically giving away more software than hardware at this point but this is love of mine So you're a philanthropist Something like that How about this Masayoshi's son or an old winner or a rock chip or Amlogic, what are they doing to help you? Not much They're giving you the chips, right? I don't buy from them, I buy from resellers but Right now this is like I have a vision of where computing is going and these are just sort of the baby steps to get there When did you start all this stuff? Shinzen So, Shinzen is a fun place because it's where all makers sort of this is the heaven of makers You can buy components for really really cheap here and you can build your idea from scratch How long have you been coming here? I've been coming here for about a year and a half and then So this is a new, we were computers new? Yes, so this is a very new project So that was like last year and this is now? Yeah, so this was, we started fundraising I think in September of last year and I delivered these to Kickstarter backers It was like six months ago you started? Yeah, so this one was a cooperative effort between me and my organization and another company called T-Chip which manufactures this board and then they have an open source initiative as well and then we partner with T-Firefly guys, right? Yeah, that's the T-Firefly guys and they're really cool guys as well and they manufacture a lot of different solutions for consumers They have some 3399 stuff going on Yes, they have a lot of stuff that's very interesting What type C? You're not doing any type C yet So we have an entire roadmap of products coming in 2018 and 2019 and they're going to be really innovative computing concepts These are sort of just testing the waters You're just getting started basically? Yes, this is getting started So I think we we've done a pretty good job getting started Although we did the Kickstarter rewards for these were slightly delayed and we do apologize to the backers for that So sorry We're working out You'll get them We're solving all sorts of different logistical issues but you'll get them You'll get them at a very good discount So you're getting them at a very good $9 $9 is cheaper than a coffee over here Starbucks Just to say It's like a third the price of a Pizza Hut And then this one The price was around This one was $19, this was $29 So this board currently costs around $40, $35 to $40 to build This one costs around I think it's $10 Not $10, like $6 less So like $30 some dollars But once the volume kicks in the prices can start going down on these components I think it'd be so cool like I'm not gonna We're still filming I think it'd be cool if sometime in the future there'll be just a type C and that's it It'll be as compact as possible Just the chip, the type C Yes, so we have solutions like that in the works It'll be here in a couple of months So we just want to redo the whole computer and microserver concepts because we have a sort of a vision of where that industry is headed including like cloud and all that other funny business with computing so we hope to apply computing everywhere and then we also have smaller boards coming too soon that are much lower power and much lower cost that you can use for IOT like true IOT solutions And you didn't want to do the 96 boards because they don't they don't allow for so many USBs and stuff and this different size and what do you think about the 96 boards? Leonardo's 96 boards they've done a lot of innovative stuff for like the silicone manufacturers so we're on the consumer so the target market and product is very differentiated from what they're targeting that's why we didn't choose their sort of standard for doing this but Leonardo does a lot of good work for the higher end like for example Hikey and Hikey 960 in the upcoming 970 and RK3399 and you just said that it kind of like maybe helped a little bit in terms of the Mali drivers this Hikey board right? so the Hikey board really helped in terms of the Mali drivers getting armed to push out the Mali drivers it is a big deal because without that you can't run Wayland which is the upcoming sort of display protocols of the future so X11 is on its way out and I think Ubuntu 1804 was released today and with that comes support of Wayland I know they backtracked on Wayland from 1710 but we're really interested because Wayland allows us to use OpenGLES to expose critical features of the board and allow these boards to really shine because of Wayland display protocol and we're really really excited for that so how many people in the world are there buying development boards and are there a bunch of people doing business with them like they buy them and they put them in like what do you call those commercial signage or some other kind of commercial things how many of the customers are either like tinkering or doing business so we're mostly focused on the tinkers because we want to have this product line up completed before we do volume production so volume production is on the order of like 50k a month so we should start that in Q3 we should have we will have mass manufacturing done by Q3 of this year so that people who want to integrate these products with various applications can do so then we also are preparing various software elements like for example putting the device trees of these products and doing overlays and doing all of the software legwork in order to have an easy experience building your IOT or building your Edge product or whatever other products or applications that you may be interested in so look for global availability in Q3 along with global distribution in Q3 for all of these products that you see here Microsoft definitely needs to wake up to this right? Microsoft so how about they join the open source movement and stuff and do some open source windows or whatever they did their IOT thing but I think they're giving up on that IOT and it was not open source was it? what does IOT I don't recollect but I think they've embraced Linux with Zerosphere OS and I think if Microsoft properly embraced Linux that'd be cool right? That'd be cool so Microsoft hey come over here or just your logo or something maybe you could use some of their what do you call it phalanthropy funds hey Bill Gates or I'm just joking you don't need you fine you're gonna expand you're gonna take over the world with small computers and the new vision and everything is happening here so money is not really an object of this it's the reimagining of the concept of computers Raspberry Pi wonderful organization has sort of lit the flames for that we want to continue to sort of bring openness and sort of more freedom to this market and let people apply computing everywhere that's possible and these ARM SoCs are getting much more interesting with NPUs and other cool technology getting built into SoCs and we look forward to integrating those into products and allowing people to sort of do all kinds of cool stuff with video with signal processing with various applications that they have in mind and being powerful enough to run a desktop experience that's nice for even like most consumers should feel hopefully that using one of these it feels like hey that's cool enough I'm good enough with that like it's powerful enough for me I can do all my basic stuff I'm actually worried about traditional vendors so the moment ARM comes out with an octa core ARM Cortex A75 or one of the IC vendors come out with an octa core Cortex A75 Intel and AMD are in a lot of trouble so AMD abandoned their K12 initiative and they're going for the enterprise which I think x86 is going to be in the long term they have to stick with enterprise because that's where their margins are but ARM is really making a killing on the sort of low end and medium desktops I don't see sort of x86 having a future in laptops and desktops like moderate level desktops I still see them in high end desktops but I think ARM is going to make real inroads into the computer market and there was this really cool French company that does this cloud the cloud access to a giant sea urn server just so if you have this could be considered also thin clients where you get access to unlimited computing on the cloud that is feels like it's local so something like this should be powerful enough to be a very smooth thin client and even with more than thin client but just like a thin it should be perfect for thin client yeah exactly so these have so many applications I can't even start to begin where you can start applying these in places so in the cloud as thin clients, as digital signage as IOT devices as servers if you have like a one watt computer you can turn that into a mini server if you have a cluster of them you can test your kubernetes projects that you're testing and it becomes very very interesting for very very low cost like one computer that you buy you can buy let's see if you buy the 2GB 2GB version of this you can buy what is it 20 of these to build a cluster for one grand which you just couldn't do before you can't build a 20 computer cluster before for that much money if you apply these on a server level like basically build multiples of these boards onto a single board then you're talking like you know revolutionary cost structures that traditional x86 just simply doesn't have a chance at those price ranges but it does require software innovations and orchestration innovations and algorithms that are able to that are distributed and cope with issues like consensus in the software world so after the Raspberry Pi which is kind of like the leader still who's number 2 and 3 and 4 and the development board business I don't worry too much about that so I don't like I think Raspberry Pi sold something like 5 million you think total? no last year only so between their Pi Model B and 0 I think they probably sold around 5 million but that's just like Raspberry Pi although in the development world I mean development board world they're big I think that the market like Softbank says is a trillion yes it's a trillion that really matter and we're not even close to scratching the surface yet so that's cool and maybe in some point there will be flexible part of motherboards flexible PCBs, flexible chips computing will be everywhere you won't even be able to see it but it will be there are you interested in the Cortex M space the embedded smaller ones we're not doing MCUs yet we have considered doing MCUs but I think given like how small the Cortex A35 can be I think it's going to get real interesting real soon within the next two years in the armworld for substituting MCUs like Cortex M class MCUs with Cortex A class CPUs like general purpose CPUs because in the western market in the Chinese market everybody optimizes for costs in the western market the costs are in the sort of the labor of doing the software for the embedded people in America in Europe to satisfy the needs for the applications and once you give them like something that runs Debian or Ubuntu they're just going to take off with that and build all kinds of cool new products and maybe down the line it will get optimized but initially for low volume production of like say 10k or less definitely these are the way to go because they expose all the functionality of the chips and the cost the cost is very low for what you're getting because of the economies of scale nice so we're looking forward to next what you're going to do next and that's going to be interesting cool that's going to be some news on your websites and your channels and everywhere library computer yeah so we have a whole pipeline of products coming this year just wait on Twitter and see it for Kickstarter's because they're really where you're going to get everything for cheap we just use it as a marketing tool how much commission does Kickstarter take is it 8% in total they take around 9.5% that's including the credit card fee and everything yes so they take 5% plus the credit card processing which usually for low cost things like a $9 entire bill they take around 6% of overhead plus 3% you wouldn't want to crowdfund on your own website instead and save those 5, 6, 7% compared to Kickstarter it's already done at a loss in the bigger picture between between that amount is trivial compared to the marketing exposure or something so we're not too concerned about the costs and it's just been successful every time in the satisfactory manner so yeah we've been building the hardware basically when we're completed and ready for mass manufacturing that's when we do the Kickstarter although we can go to mass manufacturing without it but it just allows us to gauge what people's perceptions are there's not too much weight usually except sometimes so this one there was some logistical issues and sourcing issues and then also component shortages but that's been resolved and the whole production effort Kickstarter has been completed but we shouldn't be running into any of that once volume production that was how long time ago the Kickstarter on this one? so this was for a 6 day Kickstarter so our delivery date was actually before we received the money when was it supposed to be? so it was supposed to be at the end of January so we originally wanted to ship at the end of January get delivered in February but what happens is Chinese New Year's we sort of didn't make proper preparations for it and then some of our manufacturing some of our manufacturing partners actually didn't have the parts that they said they had and then it resulted in some delays and we have to completely resource some items and then sort of go through that production process again which happens you know I think that you just cancel Chinese New Year because it's the only holiday they have but why not just cancel that one? the workers go off for a month so all the factory closed about 15 days before and 15 days after so basically from the middle of January to the middle of March don't expect to get anything done for other Kickstarter or if you're actually developing a new product I would recommend that this time of year we've set delivery dates after March cool, alright so looking forward to what you're going to get here in the future from out of Shenzhen alright, thank you so much


Thank you very much. Good evening everybody and welcome to the Board of Selectments meeting for January 25th. Thank you very much. And unfortunately it seems all too often we've had to open our meeting with a bit of bad news for the town of Arlington. Unexpectedly, on this past Saturday, Rollie Shaput passed away. There's a hundred boards and commissions in the town of Arlington and you'd be hard-pressed to name one that Rollie didn't impact over his many years of service. Currently he's on ATED and what I'd like to do is ask for a few words from our colleague Joe Currow who serves on that committee with Rollie and then we'll have a moment of silence. Joe. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I just saw the manager's notification. I just saw it right before I came to the meeting and I was devastated. As the chair said, Rollie served on many, many committees. He was one of the co-chairs of our 200th anniversary celebration here in town. Driving force for the Visitor Information Center and especially really watched out for Robbins Farm Park. He's been in front of us about efforts to restore some of the historic statues there. He was so involved up there and such a kind man. In addition, even though he long past having children in the schools, he had continued for quite a while serving on the school council up at the Brackett Elementary School because his grandchildren were there. One maybe little known fact, if you knew Rollie, he always wore this hat. It's at 4,000. One of his feet, in addition to all of his volunteering here, is that he actually climbed all 4,000 foot peaks in New Hampshire and was a real inspiration. I was just so blown away to hear that he had gone because he seemed like the kind of guy who would never stop going. As coincidence would have it, some of us have on our desks here this new book that some of you have probably heard of, the Legendary Locals of Arlington, about which picks just a select number of people who've made important contributions to our town. There's a picture of Rollie right here standing at that mic. That's how I think I'd like to remember him. Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity. I hope we'll have a moment of silence. Yeah, let's have a moment of silence for Rollie. May God have mercy on his soul. God bless his family and friends at this difficult time. On a happy note, as we lose a long time individual who paid tremendous service to this town, we are pleased tonight to welcome on a much happier note our newest director of planning and community development. And before we grill her for the first time in many, many grillings to come, let me first turn it over to our town manager, her boss, Mr. Chapter Lane. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So as you just mentioned, tonight we have the opportunity to introduce to the board our soon-to-be new director of planning and community development, Jenny Raid. So Jenny most immediately comes to us from the MAPC, the Metropolitan Area Planning Council, but also has experience working in the nonprofit housing field as well as having experience in another community, Amesbury as well. So she comes with a great background. She rose to the top of a very talented pool. We had a screening committee that included members of the local business community, a representative of the ARB, folks from the master plan advisory committee now master plan implementation committee, myself, the building inspector, and a former planning director, Kevin O'Brien. So we had a nice, nice rounded out mix of people doing the screening and we're very happy that we were able to be able to bring Jenny on board. So without saying any more, I'd like to give the opportunity for the board to say hello. Well, thank you very much for the welcome. I'm really excited to start in the new position on February 16th and to get to know each of you individually as well as how you work together. I'm, as Adam said, I'm coming to you with years of experience and planning, land use planning, zoning, as well as housing and community development. And I can bring that to the town and have already started to actually work with staff who work in the department for planning and community development and feel that I'm going to be making a very good transition to help oversee and guide a lot of the work. So I'm looking forward to working with you and with Adam and other staff. The Have you first of all noticed how well run this community is Jenny? Have you are you impressed looking at this board up here, for example, just as one example? Arlington impressed me right away. Very well run community, great leadership, lots of vision, and lots of resources and tools right at its fingertips. Yeah, that's fantastic. Colleagues, questions, comments, Mr. Dunn? Oh, Mr. Brian. Thank you, Mr. Grillian. Sorry, I'm late. As I was driving here, I realized that it was a seven o'clock start, not a seven o'clock start. So I apologize. But I will say it's an interesting turn of events. Today was my first day at the Metropolitan Area Planning Council. And I met you in this morning. But I can't wait. So you hired her here so you can take that position? I had absolutely no say in that, but I'm very happy for the town. As I was meeting everyone today, everyone just had still things to say about Jen and how fortunate the town of Arlington is. So I'm looking forward to her joining the team. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. Anybody else? Yeah, Mr. Joe Miskiro. How do I top that? I was just impressed that she gave us the benefit of the doubt that we know how to work together. Welcome. Looking forward to, we obviously have a long history of excellent planning here in Arlington. And we have a pretty spectacular park named after one of our spectacular planning directors. And so, you know, 40 years from now, maybe, maybe we should put up a park with your name on it. I say that half in jest, but I would be, you know, let's let's do good things. I would be honored. And thank you. I hope so, too. Yes, Mr. Sorry, I have a nasty quote. Welcome to Arlington. Very excited. Very high accolades from the town manager, the different points in terms of the interview process and the committee he compiled. And as things were going down, and then when you were hired, he had nothing but exemplary things to say about you. Just to put my foot in the water because you're here before us tonight, not looking for any answers on anything, but just one of the things that we most recently, that has kind of revamped itself, that we rely on our planning director is the Mugar issue. I know you're very well versed with that, with MAPC and working throughout the state. And we were fortunate enough with Ms. Kowalski and then years previous when this 10, 15, 20 years ago. So that for me, that's something that certainly will take a portion of your plate or platter. And then just my only only other personal thing that I sort of pitch whenever I can is just when I know, Wellington, we can't rely on bringing in lots of big businesses and, you know, getting to Cambridge or some of all a Burlington number. But one of the things that I've always kind of put forth, sort of as a vision is the industrial park up in the heights, as well as the lesser known thoroughfares of undevelopment on Broadway and some on summer. And I don't know if it's possible if you've had any experience with this. But when I was first involved in town in terms of when I went to Lexington, I was like, you know, how are you getting everybody up here? You know, we're jealous of all the businesses. And they're like, well, how are you getting everybody with the restaurant? So it was a shared thing. And one of them was the tour buses getting them to stop. And so I was told two things. Basically, number one, when you go forward in your planning, there's really nowhere in Allington for two of us to stop, they do schwan mill, oh, schwan mill, when their emergency, they need to fill something. So I'm not, you know, I envision Jefferson Cutter or something like that. But that's how you get the tourists here.  Well, you can at Walgreens, but, you know, a higher, more of a department department store, like a baby gap. And what I was told was you have to really identify yourself with a flat company. And then when you are doing development or redevelopment, maybe, does that sound right? Right. It does. Okay. So I guess I'll just put those chips. Not that you have to say anything, but if you want.  And we will I'm sure I'm sure we will talk again about this when I'm on board. And with other, you know, really, you know, critical stakeholders, and I don't have an opinion or something to say about it right now. And I'm actually not as well versed yet. But I will be very soon, and can provide happy to return to this board and other boards to talk about it more, which I'm adamantly opposed to the project, just so you know, but I'll let the town manager understand. We will, we will talk about it again, I'm sure. And in terms of the other items, you know, economic development and other things that you were talking about, I think engaging Ted Fields and others who've been actively working on those issues would be important for me, as well as for all of us to understand a little bit more about that. And, you know, thinking about the kinds of things that you've said and how they factor into the master plan and the master plan schools would also be important. Thank you. Welcome. You're welcome. And thank you. And this is your official start date is actually when Jenny February 16th, February 16th. So it's quite understandable. You're not caught up on everything yet. So it's pretty impressive how much you've done so far. We started out historically, I think, not doing a good job with our development in Arlington when on April 19, 1775, the largest battle of that day took place at Monotomy with 2,000 patriots and British soldiers fighting here. And the rumor is that Longfellow could not find a way to fit Monotomy into the midnight ride of Paul Revere. But then changing our name twice after that probably didn't help. But I think in the years since we've done quite a bit to help with both the historic and the economic development of this town and really look forward to working with you on all of those things. Likewise. Thank you. Thank you for the welcome. Thank you. Joy, you're all set, right? Also, thank you. Thank you very much. Good luck to you. Thank you. She also has the thrill of she will be joining us for the beginning of town meeting, which that was the initiation I was referencing before Jenny, so. Okay, consent to January, the minutes of the meeting for January 11th. We'll approve. Second. Second discussion. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed. Licenses and permits, number three, this is a request for common Victuallers license, the scoop and scootering. Austin Crittenden, was that you, sir? Yes. Please. Excuse me. So you've been operating a truck and it's so successful, you're now going to do a storefront as well. Is that the idea, sir? Yes. Operating Somerville for the last year and a half. And we're getting a little bit too much volume to handle in that truck, which is roughly 10 feet long, about a half foot wide some days. So it's really nice to make it into a brick and mortar. Great. Good for you. Thanks for choosing our engine. Appreciate that. Can't wait. Comments, questions, motion. Moved approval, subject of conditions. Second. Moved approval, subject of conditions. Seconded, Mrs. Mahon. I just want to clarify and that's fine that your hours will, you're closed on Monday, but you anticipate staying open the other six days to 2 a.m.? Yes. Okay. And you feel you'll have the client.  I'm trying to picture one. It was Salvage LTD, antique shop. Okay. So I'm not a restaurant. He's actually creating it himself, but it was Salvage, which was our second-hand deal. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Good luck and God bless you if you can get him in there at 2 a.m., but that's, it sounds like you probably already have a loyal following. Yeah. That early in the morning is, we deliver our Sundays. Oh, okay. Where we deliver delivery drivers. It's mostly our avenue. We want to take it as much for traffic as possible. That's important to us. But delivery, especially to the Tufts communities and the Harvard communities at 2 a.m. is great. Oh, okay. Oh, so Kevin gets a hankering at 1.45 a.m. for a double Dutch Sunday? I'm going to scoot. I'm going to scoot. So, no, I just wanted to make sure that that's what the intent was. Good luck. That's fine. We're not going to allow foot traffic to come in too late because we do care about the families. That's what I was thinking of. And we are just going to be doing deliveries probably after midnight. That's fine. But just trying to keep it respectful. Good for you. Good answer. Mr. Burns. Thank you very much and I'm glad that a truck from Summerville is now locating in Arlington. And I also just want to say, I've driven by several times and seen you and maybe a co-worker really working pretty hard down there. And I know that that's a lot. So I just want to thank you for everything you're doing down there and I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for having me. Anybody else? Austin, samples? Samples, absolutely. Right now. Right here. Actually, I have a couple of my drivers out back. On the motion by Mr. Cureau, seconded by Mrs. Mahan, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed. Thanks for choosing on. It's your best one. Hope it goes well. Thank you. Next, under licenses and permits, Mr. Heimer, we expecting council here? Should I wait on this? I don't believe so, Mr. Greeley. I'm not certain. I know that Mr. Heimer is aware of it. It's certainly not required that someone is present for the vote on the decision as opposed to the hearing. Okay. So as we're all aware, we did hold a hearing on common ground and alcohol suspension decision and we took a vote that evening and the next step is for Mr. Heimer to write up that decision and so that is before us tonight for final approval from this board. Comments or motion or anything? Mr. Dunn. Move approval. Second. Approval is a second. Discussion. Yes, Mrs. Mahan. Just very briefly, and I would reference the remarks that we had at the earlier hearing when Mr. O'Quinn and his council were here. As brief and succinctly as I can, I am still going to be voting no only because I feel from the testimony from Mr. O'Quinn when he appeared before us previously myself personally, I did not feel that he really took the issue, the tragic accident as seriously as he should have. I did ask for, and I really kept an open mind. In my mind, if I saw someone at the microphone, a beloved customer and quasi-family member, a little bit of contrition or some sort of acknowledgement of the seriousness of it, I didn't feel that I was treated that way in terms of documents that I asked for. I understand some of them have come in, but not all of them. So to me, that's also a testament in terms of how serious, in my opinion, the issue is not taken. And I was pushing for, if there were another violation in the future for 30 days, just based solely on the testimony that 70% of his business is food. So a two-week shutdown really wouldn't hurt him that much. I did say I really doubted that figure, sort of having a little bit of a family background in the restaurant business and asked if, and he nodded that he would, so I don't know that's necessary. He said he would. I asked if we could just get his POS point of sale review just for one quarter that shows, because I really doubted the 70%. So for that, I won't belabor the point any longer except for I just, working at the ABCC for close to 20 years and having been in similar situations, I'm not saying a person has to act a certain way and not, but for myself personally, I don't think Mr. O'Quinn really gauged the seriousness of it in representation of the fact that I asked for three or four documents. Mr. Mioni made a representation to four documents and then Mr. O'Quinn said no, something that Mr. Mioni said existed and would be revised, doesn't exist. So we have received some, but not all. So I just wanted to explain, I'm going to be consistent with my vote and that's why. So, town council, it dawns on me, should I have called on you first, sir, on this? I don't have any. I don't think it's necessary as long as the board is satisfied with the draft decision to get comments from you. Okay. So let me then at this point, I mean, there's, I would just like to be clear, Mrs. Mion, you don't feel it was a stiff enough penalty. Is that a fair statement? Yes. Okay. Here is the penalty in what we actually voted on. For the reason stated herein, the above referenced license is suspended for three days, beginning on or after January 25th, set days to be consecutive and beginning on a Wednesday, but otherwise selected by the licensee to be completed before February 29th, 2016 and reported to the office of the Board of Selectment in advance. An additional 14-day suspension shall be held in abeyance for a one-year probationary period in which the licensee shall also be prohibited from being granted extended hours of service for any reason. It is further stipulated and ordered that the licensee shall terminate its shift drink practice as described herein and that all employees shall read and sign for common grounds alcohol service policy on or before February 29th, 2016. In my 27 years, this is the most severe penalty we have ever issued against an alcohol licensee. So, did you make the motion, Mr. Dunn? I did. Okay, and seconded by further discussion. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. All those opposed? Nay. So, on a four-to-one vote. Anything else we need to do? So, the decision will be, the decision now being finalized, it'll be reported to the ABCC and then a copy will be provided to the license holder. Okay. So, thank you very much. Thank you. Others, the business discussion and approval, the selectments draft handbook, which was given to this board and they had one month in which to study it and send any recommended changes or alterations to this office of which there were none. At this point, would anybody like to make any changes? Amendments. Just an administrative change, I noticed in my last reading. I don't know. I don't know. I just noticed in one place that there's a reference to the Arlington Committee on Arts and Culture. It's actually the commission on arts and culture per the bylaw. What page? I think I've got it. Please. That's important. Thank you. I don't have the page. But I can search it. So, if you would, will you just make sure you get that to Mary Ann? Because we want to have these really nicely bound and finished and everything. Any other changes? Comments? There's just, you know, this was a, I think it's just about a year since we started this, maybe not quite. But Doug Heim, Marion Sullivan, Eve Steven just deserve a tremendous amount of credit for getting this done. And Kevin, of course. I know he wouldn't say it himself. Well, yeah. But no, really, Doug Marion, Eve did the research, the typing. I mean, really, it's amazing that there was so few changes.  So, this is it. Can I have a motion, please? Mover, seat and approval. Second. Second. And all of those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Mary Ann, put it to bed. Congratulations, Mr. Chairman. Take that sticky offer desk. I know. And Mary Ann, it's page 18 as printed. It's 19 in the electronic. Okay, excellent. Thanks. Next is a request for a permission to hang a state without stigma banner on the town hall balcony. This has been, oh, this is the one we're trying, excuse me, okay. I believe it's going to be put in the public safety. Yes. Move to table or no? Kevin never should have opened his mouth. Okay. Move to that Kevin never should have opened his mouth. Second. Aye. Not a water. Sorry. You gave it to me. I know. So you're done. So now as we head down to the special town meeting, let me turn this over to, you know, we have all spent a lot of time on Minuteman. But Mr. Dunn has been exceptional. And I know Mr. Dunn is a chapter lane. I don't mean to slight anybody, but Mr. Dunn has been a dog on a sock about this issue which we have fought for years and years and years. And there's just no way to say thank you for all you have done. What do you want us to do on article 7, Dan? So we voted in principle all these articles already. And so this is just the language that's coming up. And so just for the sake of formula, we can approve this final language. And I appreciate the kind words, but it's not done yet. And there are really are many, many people have worked on it. I'm going to have a new experience on Wednesday. I'm going to the Belmont warrant commission. The warrant committee to talk to them about their votes on this. Before they bring it to town meeting. How many towns would you say you've been to? I don't know. Seven. But you've spoken one of them. One at a time. Unless anyone has any, we should adopt the final version of the comments. I just want the record to reflect that these comments are based on the vote that the board already took. Because of the timing of special town meeting this year, it wasn't possible for you to vote on the final version. I don't know if you've ever until now, even though they had to be published in advance, I know that Mr. really, you were not present, which is why they reflected the way they are. But I think a formal vote just is required to adopt what you guys had already previously stated on this. So we'll approve the comments as written, but for article 7 and 8. Second. And correspondence received. Is there a second? Second. Anybody want to do? Yes. I guess I would through the chair. And I'm not sure if Mr. Byrne is our cat rep, but the two pieces of correspondence on Appleton street in light of the, one is from the homeowner saying that there was a vehicular collision and I guess she sustained some property and she wrote and had some concerns about addressing that. She also had, I want to say Sarah, blanking on Sarah, but some high commendation for calling to police fire and other public work services that responded. And then there's another piece of correspondence from 106 Paul Revere wrote. So what I would ask if either Mr. Byrne or Mr. Chapter Lane that we bundle these together, is this something appropriate for TAC or? I wouldn't mind having Officer Ato probably take a look at it first and then seeing what he has to say about it. So if we could refer those two pieces of correspondence to the town manager for our traffic safety division to review. Second. And always love getting letters of commendation and appreciation in this case, one for building inspector Richard Valerelli. Yes. I would just like to note on that. I've been working on this for quite a long time. And I think this letter really reflects who he is. Just one of my, I don't want to, because I know he is in a department that, you know, means a lot to me, but I just think he is a really outstanding person and his character really shown through in this incident. So thank you. I'd like to add that I'm really appreciative of every resident that is in good times and in bad. And Jeannie Larry, we all know her. Sometimes she brings forth issues that really need to be addressed and perhaps we could do better on, but she's also the other way in terms of, you know, one of our employees or more does a really good job that she takes out the time to make sure that that is noted. And I did appreciate the detail that she provided because that was a lot of work interface, you know, and she's also the one that she's a part of the inspectional services in Mr. Valarelli. So it's nice to see that when we're doing a good job. Not that I had anything to do with it. So on the motion to receive and then refer to the town manager and to say thank you to Jean Larry and to Richard Valarelli, all those in favor, please signify by signifying. If the town manager could just because a couple people had called me just a 30 second, I understand that was what I call a robocall that went home regarding a meeting tomorrow night from Chief Ryan. I notified the board last week that after a lot of discussion internally based on the suggestion of both health human services, the police department, and the police department, we used the Arlington alert system, the robocall system to notify the entire community everybody contained in the database of an outreach meeting in regards to the opiate addiction tomorrow night at 7 p.m. at the Wittemore-Robbins House, focused on the drug Vivitrol which has proven effectiveness in preventing relapse from opiate addiction. So as you know, the police department has really been trying really hard to get the information to reach out to the community to bring people in. We decided that this phone call would be the next step in bringing the whole community or making the whole community aware of the efforts that are out there. I just want to thank you and the chief. It was a very brief but informative robocall from Chief Ryan also mentioned about I wish I could be there, but I would like to thank you. Thank you. Speaking of robocalls, I would like to thank the police and fire and school departments for their handling of the recent bomb threat. My daughter is a student at high school and she told me that the students and staff seemed to feel very well informed during it and were reassured and she noted that when they brought the students out that the MBTA buses were down here to the town hall and so the students are feeling secure that I can't say my wife was necessarily quite as calm when she first heard the news but I think that ultimately everyone was quite well informed. I would like to commend the response and I think it's a testament to all of the training and preparedness that's gone into getting ready for the unlikely event that something like this might have. I actually was going to talk about the robocall as well and I just wanted to, my comment was specifically that I think that there had been some concern and anticipation that some people would think it was an inappropriate use of the robocall and I wanted to specifically call this out as a health crisis and the fact that we are treating it as a health crisis as we should and if we had something else, you know, whether it was a water problem or a communicable disease or anything that would cause a number of fatalities in our town over the next year, we would do this exact thing and just because it is a, because it isn't like a traditional one of those emergencies doesn't, it still deserves that treatment so I wanted to kind of make that point and kind of get out in front of that criticism just because I think I really am glad that the manager and the chief went forward with this. It's related, I was reading the New York Times last night before I went to bed online and chief Ryan was quoted in an article, it's an article about the efforts that are going on in Gloucester and chief Ryan talking about how he was taking some ideas from that and putting them within Arlington's own project so I really continued to be supportive of the work and innovation that he's doing there. I want to speak about this, my wife teaches at, is the art teacher at St. Agnes and the day before there had been a bomb scare called into St. Agnes. My wife called from, in the situation she called lockdown keep safe and secure or something I don't know but she and that whole staff were also very impressed with the, how well things were handled, how smoothly, the kids were really scared. In this case she had preschool kids in her classroom who were really scared and the police were just awesome in terms of how well they treated the kids and evacuated the building safely so Adam chief Ryan and on Thursday was the high school one and Wednesday was St. Agnes, I forget but the next day I'm watching TV and there's chief Ryan on TV and you've got Kathy Bode as well so we're lucky with the team we have here in Arlington and we have two new ones who are with us here tonight as well so is there a motion to adjourn? I'd like to move that we conclude this portion of the meeting and that we will reconvene down a town meeting floor in open session solely for the purpose of any necessary votes that may arise during the course of the meeting in accordance with the laws set out in terms of it has to be announced by the moderator, we'll meet out in the hall I'll volunteer if that happens to take any minutes and that we adjourn concurrent with adjournment of the special town meeting which hopefully will be tonight but it could be Wednesday night. Second. Second so all those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. The meeting of the Board of Select is February 8th. Good night Arlington. See you all at town meeting.


So what are the best headphones for the everyday millennial? Airpods or the Powerbeats 3. In this video I do a head-to-head comparison of the Apple Airpods and the Powerbeats 3 to tell you which one is the best for you So let's go ahead and get to it What's up everybody? It's your boy the millennial health coach where I hope you conquer your mind Master your health and grow to achieve your highest potential and if you haven't already make sure you go ahead and subscribe So the topic of the day is which headphone should you buy the Apple Airpods or the Powerbeats 3? It's funny because I've had both and there's there's a reason why this is in a box And these are here because there's actually like nothing in here The reason being is I actually lost my Airpods and the Uber unfortunately. I lost my Airpods So I knew I needed to replace them and I was like well should I get the Airpods again? Or should I get Beats and actually ended up getting the Beats and I want to go ahead and give you the pros and Cons of both before I tell you why I got the Beats first starting off the Airpods I actually love these headphones. They were like awesome They're super small the cordless which is great like honestly You didn't feel like anything what you put them into your ears and then to the case this guy was Amazing it charges it so the I believe the battery themselves Maybe have about two two or three hours in them You put them in the case and they charge and the case itself holds around 24 hours worth of charge and Man that is awesome. There'll be a couple times my Airpods are getting low I plop them in the case they charge boom 100% ready to go So it was actually really really cool super small case super portable But there are some cons to the Airpods and honestly one of the biggest things for me was the sound quality So like when I work out, you know, I work out in a gym where there's a lot of like weightlifters people banging like Barbells dumbbells everything like that people yelling like let's go. Let's go And when I wear this like I have to put the music super super high In order to hear it. That's not super healthy for my ears But it was something I definitely noticed for sure And the second thing I would have to say is that even though they stayed in my ear pretty well I always had a fear like if I'm like taking off like a shirt or I'm like moving something that I would drop them And me being in New York, there's a lot of vent So I'm nervous that something a bump into me and that it would fall and once one's gone That's it. There's no going back. Those are the pros and cons for the Airpods now for the beats These guys so what I love about the beats is one the sound quality is amazing the bass is bumping I listen to a lot of rap hip-hop music, you know workout DMX type stuff, and I need it like a what what What that's what I need I need like this hyped up music That's like good bass good sound where I could hear it And this plays a lot of really good music and on top of that the sound quality is awesome when it comes To just normal things. I can't hear anybody this thing like the noise canceling on this is it's pretty good Second thing I love about these things is that they look super dope like you got LeBron wearing them You got James Harden with the black and gold like you know It makes me feel like an athlete when I'm in the gym even when I'm like filming videos It just feels awesome to have these headphones, you know the designs cool and the sound is amazing now There are cons and I'm hanging this around my neck when I don't really like about it as the case This case is one. It's kind of weird looking your head like this and it's like just awkward squishy He put it's hard to put the headphones in there Like it's just not the best case to have and you can't charge it in this case either Which is what's something I really liked about the AirPods and two there's still wires You know I know a lot of people are starting to get away from it because it's like it still can get caught on things It could still peel off and then three and this is something I'll have to admit man like to be honest Like I've broken my first pair when I had the power beats to they're not the most Durable the guy had the power beats for maybe a year and a half And I guess that's a pretty long time But from what I know about power beats 3 is that they get broken pretty easily now my brother he's broken to himself That was his phone. That was that was your phone. I gave you watching this So why did I end up getting the power beats 3 instead of the AirPods again? So honestly just the power beats from like a working out perspective I just love the music quality and like the noise canceling I live in New York City So, you know, the taxis are loud. There's honking. There's ambulances all the time and Just the Airpods when I was walking there would be a couple times where I'm listening to a podcast where I walk to work And I would just have to pause my phone because I couldn't hear it and I would have to rewind what these Literally on average 90% of the time at like even a medium level. I could still hear what I was listening to That was like the main reason the second main reasons was because this was on sale was like $130 compared to like 170 so I went ahead and got these guys again So that's why I'm rocking the power beats 3 from now on if they come out with a better sound quality You know AirPods I'll go ahead and consider them So who are the AirPods for if you are a person who is active like you still like going to the gym But it doesn't it's not like you're not a hardcore like weightlifter crossfit or anything like that I would say go ahead and get these these are awesome Especially if you're just you know a lightly active person like you like to jog and run a few few days out of the week You want to make sure that you're using this kind of like as a casual use I would get the AirPods super useful love the charging aspect of it if you're hardcore fitness person I would say sick to these guys just because they have an amazing sound and yeah, that's really it I hope this video was super helpful for you if it was go ahead and like this video And I want to know below too. Are you team AirPods or team power beats? Let me know in the comment box below and I'll catch you on the next video. You already know embrace the Hold on one second did you check out this video? How about this video and I already know if you haven't already you need to make sure you subscribe. All right I'll catch y'all next time. See you later