Welcome to Breeder's Syndicate, where we explore the history of a clandestine scene through the eyes of the folks who lived it. I'm Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds. I'll occasionally be joined by my co-host, NotsoDog, breeder and grower from Mendocina. Welcome to the Underground. And yeah, then you try these Californian stuff, and I remember specifically it was said that it was Granddaddy Purple, but looking back with what I know now, it definitely was not Granddaddy Purple. It was very green and it had a very generic sweet smell, not that sort of irkly smell, you'd expect. But it was nonetheless a light bulb moment. And then the next batch I got, there was a few things like there was like some Jack Hara, which wasn't Jack Hara. There was some Girl Scout cookies that wasn't Girl Scout cookies, but there was Purple Cush. And I think it is the Purple Cush that sort of goes around a bit, and that one made a very lasting impact on me. And I think the ball got rolling from there. And I had done a grow before that, but I got mediocre results and it was my first grows.   Always. Yeah, like it's a given your first grow. You don't know who's a good breeder, so you're just going to get lost in the marketing. So, yeah, so I came back to it and I just started getting interested in it. And at the time I was applying for graduate school and part of the entry requirement was there was like this essay component and I wasn't good at writing. So I started writing these largely speaking sort of opinion pieces on cannabis and sort of the state of the scene in Australia. And I would talk about how I was sort of a bit let down. I would talk about how sort of a bit let down by the Australian scene because from my perspective, the penalties for growing cannabis were far less than the states. And so there was a huge incentive to get at it like why not the penalties are pretty minimal. And yet no one had really done it. And so I sort of wrote this opinion piece saying, you know, I think the Australian scene is pretty apathetic compared to the American scene. You know, like during the Reagan administration, like people go into jail for just incredible periods of time. And I just don't think the same legalities were at play in Australia for a long time. And so, yeah, I was just writing these opinion pieces and saying like, you know, if you want to help get things legal in Australia, we need to be more open.  They wouldn't tell anyone about it. And I sort of tried to encourage people. And I was like, the more you put this out there, the more people accept that you can be like, you know, a family man with a job and and still grow on the side, you know.  Like in a criminal organization, you can you can have a normal family life and grow. Unlike the way I look right now. But but yeah, so so I think that was sort of how I got my my feet wet was I was writing these opinion pieces. And I got to admit it was all sort of guys. There's just an experiment for me to get better at writing and it was just subject matter that I was somewhat familiar with. And then I guess that and this is probably the part that I haven't really spoken to people much about. I then got the idea of like, well, let's do a podcast. And what you find is if you're like a no name person, like I was at the time. And you ask people, hey, would you like to come on this podcast? The first thing they'll say is, can you like send me something to listen to? So like, I have an idea of like what it's going to be.  People stop people stop replying very quickly. So I remember specifically I at the time Brothers Grimm was like just announced they were reinventing themselves. I didn't know who Duke was yet. I just knew Mr. Soul from like reading online and stuff. And so I reached out to him and I was like, do you want to come on? And he was like, yeah, we'll do it. Send me some questions. I sent him some questions. And then like after a few replies, he's like, what like organization do you work for? And I was like, oh, it's like, it's just sort of me. And he abruptly stopped replying. Sounds about right. Yeah, anyone who's met Mr. Soul will know that's pretty par for the course. So then again, being a bit of a newbie, I reached out to Swerve of CaliCon and a very similar thing. He expressed interest and then after one or two replies just completely ghosted me. So at that point, I was sort of a bit like, I don't know if this is going to actually happen. And I just started following Duke because I'd seen on the Brothers Grimm website that he was pairing up with Mr. Soul. And I had just asked a few questions in the comments. I think he had posted about some 88G13 crosses he had done. And I just sort of said, oh, you know, I read this line's pretty old and it's a bit inbred. Do you find like it dominates the crosses? Yeah. And I think just a few questions like that. He was sort of like, oh, you know, you seem to be interested in the genetics. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just I floated the idea by him. And I think I even linked him some of those opinion pieces. And I think that might have been what sort of got him over the line a bit thinking like, oh, this guy seems to, you know, it's not just like haphazard. Do you want to do it? He seems to be sort of passionate. Yeah. So yeah, then we did that. And that went really well. And I ended up, we chatted for a couple of hours. And then we actually ended up probably staying on the chat for probably an equal amount of time. I think we chatted for like three hours on the episodes. Then we probably spent another three hours just chatting afterwards about general stuff. Yeah.  And at the end of it, he was like, I'm going to do you a favor. And I didn't really know what he meant. I thought coming on the episode was the favor. I was very grateful. But so I just went to bed thinking that was great. You know, what a once in a lifetime experience to talk to like a professional because like at the time, like, you know, I was just a nobody. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. So I was really grateful. And then the next morning I woke up and I had an inbox from Skunk VA. And I'd never spoken to him at the time. And in my mind, you know, he's this mythological figure in the chemistry very inex, and he was also very inaccessible at the time. He wasn't online. He wasn't talking. And he just basically said, hey, you know, Duke said I should message you. And that was all it said. Yeah. And so then we ended up lining up the episode. But 100% without a doubt, those two things happening was definitely the momentum which allowed the show to continue in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. There was a big get to get a skunk VA on for sure. And yeah. Yeah.  And he also told the truth about a, about a, you know, a lot of aspects of chem that were that people didn't want to know. So it probably sort of launched it a bit, I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Hugely. Not so dog. You said this in one of the breeder syndicate episodes, not so long ago, but you said listening to that episode. He was, he was pretty honest about a lot of things. And as the years have gone by and I've learned more about, you know, the behind the scenes of the various incidents he maybe spoke about. Yeah. I did sort of start to gain a bit of an appreciation that like, yeah, it did sound like he gave a pretty honest recount. You know, like there's a lot of funny things, not funny, but how can I put it? Like people and, you know, not so you probably deal with this a lot too. People still constantly ask me, you know, who's the Staten Island guy?  And what's, what's, what's a bummer about that for me is that because he shunned the spotlight on the forums and anywhere else.  Right. At least for that period of time until he spread them out a little bit to his friend group. And he doesn't, and he brought the Super Skunk West. And he doesn't really get talked about and he doesn't want us to say his name. So I asked if Staten Island was like an acceptable, you know, Diplume. Yeah.  So that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And as, and as I learned more about the story and sort of the interplay between, you know, Skunk BA, not so dog, some of the other characters in the scene, the Staten Island guy, I started to like realize the story a bit more on the back end. And I was like, oh, okay, this is actually like really interesting. And I can understand the Staten Island guy's perspective. And he's, he always, like, you know, obviously I've never met him or spoke to him and whatnot. And I know not so dog, you're very close with him.  There you go. But I just, I just sort of understood that he was from that older guard, which was like, you know, I keep to the shadows. I do my thing. So yeah, that, that was definitely really interesting. But I think that was largely speaking how I got into it all. And then, you know, it all sort of just started to gain a bit of momentum from there. And we just sort of branched out a bit really. Yeah. That was pretty awesome. I remember, I don't remember how far in I was with the episodes, but how many years has it been? Do you think since we did our first episode? Good question. I think, I think your first episode was, it was actually earlier than I thought. I want to say it was either episode eight or episode 10. Yeah. Pretty early.   I think I have to be honest. I think there was a bit of a lull between episodes sort of four to seven, where I had some people that I was interested in, but maybe weren't super, super big. That's the hard part, right? Yeah. Definitely. Interesting people aren't who, who like necessarily everybody wants to hear about that moment, but it's who we want to talk to. Yeah. I feel you. Yeah. But yeah, definitely people like yourself. Mean Jean and Bodie and, you know, some of the big name guys in the first sort of 10 to 12 episodes, which is hugely impactful. And I honestly all the time think about how different it would have been if like I didn't have those people, including yourself, you know, I imagine I look at a lot of other podcasts and I see it takes a long time to get a big following. And I just think I was very lucky to get that sort of push initially. You got some people that the community likes a lot and some people that were interesting and stories that they wanted to hear. And I think that that probably had a lot to do with it too. I've always been super interested to be frank in that the fact that you like because our world is so underground, right? There's like layers of what people know about each other, you know, from like insider information that I'm sure like as you've been in the scene now a while, you've heard a lot. But when you're first getting involved, you typically only know like legends or public personas, right? Yeah. And so even figuring out like who's who can be, you know, I always looked at that because it's like it happened for me like organically or Matt just being around the forums, being in the scene, living in California for so many years. Like I knew a lot of these people in real life. Yeah. You know, but you're on the other side of the planet, you know, and you're trying to determine who to talk to. And, you know, we're a quirky bunch. Yeah. How did that work for you?  How did you start figuring that out? What were some of the steps in stepping stones in that process? Yeah. What a great question. I have to be honest. I'm probably, I haven't actually super thought about that. So I'm just going to give you the ideas that are coming to my head right now and maybe some of them. Get it wrong. Yeah. But basically I think that I'll be honest. It probably wasn't until like episode 40 or so that I actually was able to stop viewing every episode as like this real fan boy thing. In a sense, like I feel like before every episode I would get nervous and it was like, fuck, I'm about to deal with this big name dude. And you know what I mean? Yeah. So I think I just want to put that out there that. Yeah. That definitely was the case.  There actually wasn't too much of that. Except, except for my name. I believe that was one of them you got a lot about. No, not at all. Not at all.  Like I always view it as like, I've always said, you know, consistently that your episodes are some of my favorite because I think that a lot of guests are very diplomatic when they come on the show. And I liked the fact that it didn't feel like that with you. It always felt very free flowing. But to jump back to the question quickly for a second. I think generally speaking, I just picked a few people in the scene who I thought were really stand out. And then I thought, if, if the guest I'm thinking about is sort of friends or cool with these people, then they must be okay. So I think that probably would have been the guiding sort of feature. But also I have to reference, I was lucky enough to come visit the States probably within the first six months of starting the show. So I got to hang out with a lot of people in person. And I think that helped guide the guest selection a little more. But like, I'll be the first to admit, you know, there are, there are some episodes that I think haven't aged as well as others. And there is a number of episodes that are just not available anymore. And that's for a variety of reasons. And sometimes the guest has requested it to be taken down. Other times we just viewed it as inappropriate to keep it up. So yeah, I think that the selection has gotten better over time, I hope. And I certainly also think that I like to chat to people a little bit before I get them on the show. And the other guiding principle I have is that I don't really take requests so much like people will message me and say, hey, can I get on the show? And they might be like a decent size following. But I have always said, you know, in order to get a good episode, I think I have to genuinely be curious about you. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really hard when it comes to, to guess, like, I mean, even with just doing the live streams for a long time, there are so many of those that I look back on that did not age well in my brain.  And later on I'm like, wow, I don't really like how that went looking back. But you can't, you know, I mean, you can only do what you do at the time and how it goes at the time and how you're feeling at the time.  And then. I think, I think my opinion on it actually has dramatically changed in the last few years. I used to think about it where like, to be honest, there was some people that you, you've had on does, I don't need to name names or anything like that. That's irrelevant where I was like, oh, that person. Oh no. But then. Over time, I think I've thought about it and like, I actually think to let people really judge someone.  Yeah. Like your interviews are pretty long and like you give pretty open ended questions and you let people talk. You know, and when you talk that gives the public a chance to see, do I vibe with this person? Do I like what they have to say? Do I get a sense of who they are? And in some cases, people can't talk the talk. Yeah. I remember it. Yeah. And so that, and so that allows, and I'm not, you know, good or bad or whatever. And so it just, it just allows like, because our, our, our, our scene is full of characters. You know, there's definitely reasons why people like to be isolated and growing weed and not dealing with humans. Yeah. And you have to have a certain risk profile and the cannabis for all kinds of reasons. Sure. You know.  I'll say this. I was one of the people that gave you, I think this is the first time we butted heads was during, and I'll say it, the sub cool interview. I was super pissed at the time. And I've told you recently like looking back on that because Monty's no longer with us. Like I am so glad you didn't listen to any of us. I'm, I'm, I'm because, because regardless of whether me and him got along or what happened, none of that matters because he did work. It was, it was important. It was in a lot of people's gardens and those, those stories need to be there. We need to, whether they're accurate or not, or whether, you know, he was right or not. It doesn't really matter. We need to have those stories regardless. And he was a major part of the scene for a long time. So I, Yeah. He did. And I was pissed at the time.   You know, because I'm always curious about people's perspectives.  You know, there's a lot of people that are coming on that are trying to project an image.  Yeah. Hugely. And it's, I don't want to say it's rare, but I can understand like I do it myself, you know, sometimes you've got your own personal thoughts and then you've got more public thoughts you're happy to put out there, but it is super refreshing when someone's very upfront and to sort of reference the, the, the Monty interview you talked about Matt, that was actually a very interesting moment for me because I didn't actually, I knew there'd be some people unhappy with it, but I didn't anticipate it would be to that level. And I remember old CSI left a comment and it's not like over a hundred likes. I think our whole crew probably said something. Yeah. It was, it was, yeah, I'd never seen anything like that. Like to the effect of like this ain't it buddy. And yeah, I guess, you know, sort of a related point I've been thinking about recently is that, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of scary to think that three of the people I've had on the show have passed away now. Yeah. You know, being Monty Bogg and Jaime Chiba. Oh, right. I forgot about, I forgot about Bob too. Yeah.  And sometimes it's tough if you're feeling like some of the things they're saying might not be a hundred percent true. Sure. But if nothing else, you know, it's, I am grateful that I got to speak to sub. And interestingly, you know, I never put this out there, but like from a technical level, it was a very interesting interview. You know, sub, sub got a bit mad at me throughout it and actually hung up the call at one point. And then I think his friend told him that that probably wasn't a good PR move and he pulled me back and said that there was internet issues. But, but like, it was, it was good to get his take.  But sure sub cool definitely was the person who got me into growing organically with super soil. I don't think super soil is the best nowadays, but it was a great stepping stone for someone who just never done organics. Yeah. So, so yeah, for that reason, I had a bit of a personal like thing with sub because I was like, you're the dude who got me into him. And actually, you know, it was the Rev, him and the Rev. So I listened to your episode the other day and I tried TLO and I had pretty decent success with it. And then I tried super soil and I had pretty good success with that. And then I ultimately just moved on to sort of the more general no till, you know, it's such a mindful these days. But like, yeah, I felt an obligation to sub for that reason because he, yeah, he showed me the organics. You know, anybody who came in during my era, like 2006 to, you know, all the way up to the 2013, like even me, like some of the people that I entered in seeing it was DNA. But once you got past like the DNA greenhouse, like, you know, Spanish bait and switchers, you get into the Americans. Sub was at the top of the game then, you know, like all of us got into that. Even I was inspired by him young. I have his first book bank, you know, like I still have it. So it was, it was an odd fall. It was an odd fall out when we, when we had our fall out because I did respect him and I did look up to him at the time. And it was just like, I was, I was his antithesis, I guess, you know, sometimes what I've learned is I've gotten older, sometimes just do people's energies just don't match.  It's just sometimes energy just don't jive, you know, and that's definitely what it was. A slight digression, but connected. When I first started going over to Amsterdam in the mid nineties and buying seeds, right. And after I'd been there a number of times, I started getting introduced to people. Okay. And what I realized was that everyone had their own version of history. Some of these old timers didn't like each other and there was significant beefs. And it was really illuminating compared to today because, you know, Matt and I talk about all the time how you can pick any hero from Neville to Shanti to art to all these different folks and you can kind of tear them apart if you want. Right. And so people have their favorites or whatever, but there's a difference between like lasting contributions to the scene. And, and, and, you know, and being a good person and someone you get along with and someone who you agree with their decisions. Yeah. You know, those two things are totally different. You could make lasting contributions to the cannabis seed game and to clones and to the gene pool and to the knowledge. And you could kind of have a variety of, of, you know, personality quirks that aren't that cool. Yeah. Those things exist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hugely. And I think it's only as I get more deep into knowing people. Do you realize how deep some of those divides actually run and something that's always lasted with me is sort of this quote, which was, you know, I can't tell you who said it, but it was like, you know, considering we all smoke this plant that chills you out, there's a lot of aggressive unhappy people in our community. Yeah.  I don't know, but like it is an interesting point.  We're here. Bring what you wrong. Like it's different now. There's obviously a big culture clash going on. We have the dudes who are isolated, like to stick to themselves, move weight. We don't want to deal with tax stuff or anything like that.  It's why we're doing what we're doing. So we don't have to do that kind of work. We're not merging with the, the realistic climate of legalization and it is a hard clash of personalities. Plus we have two different generations, maybe even three or four in some cases, apart trying to work together or not work together, but it coexist in the same sphere and it's, it's definitely going to cause some strife. I'd love to know how you've navigated that when you're doing a lot of these interviews. When you hear, when you hear something that maybe loves so much and you, and you want to push back, but like, what, what, what, what is that dividing line for you? Yeah. Great question and brings us to something I definitely wanted to touch on with the audience. If it's okay with you, maybe I could chat a little bit about our falling out and how that sort of guided my view on sort of the question you just asked. Yeah. It goes with what we were talking about the heavy beefs, everything. Yeah. Of course, you know, and I can completely appreciate that there may be some people listening to this right now going, why is this guy on here? I'm not a fan of him. And I can understand why you would have that view. So I guess the first thing I would just say is like, I didn't like, so, you know, we had a falling out probably about two years ago and I want to take 100% responsibility for that. And the first thing I would say is that I never wanted to really discuss this publicly until I was able to do it with you because I just didn't feel it was appropriate. And so I just sort of wanted to do it with your permission, so to speak. Sure. Yeah. I think historically I always viewed the interviews as like my goal is to get the guests comfortable enough that they share their inner monologue and then you listen to it and then you decide. So what that would mean is sometimes people would say things that I didn't agree with or that I didn't like, but if I push back in the past, they would get cagey. They would close up and I sort of didn't know how to handle that at the time. And as a result, I just felt like it was better to just try to keep them comfortable, keep them happy, let them express their inner monologue. If they say something that's really weird, hopefully the listener picks up on that. That was really weird. Oh, sure. Yeah. And we sort of go from there. So sometime about two years ago, I had gauge green on the show and I asked them specifically in one of our prior episodes, we had spoken about the Colombian black from Jojo Rizzo. And I had said, oh, I know that you and Matt both had those seeds.  What's your take on that? And they initially started out by giving this sort of long-winded answer about how largely they try not to focus on the negatives in their life. And it was sort of a diplomatic answer at first. And I was sort of thinking, okay, this isn't too bad. And then at the end, he just went off really left of field and essentially made an extremely inappropriate comment relating to you and your childhood. And honestly, in the moment, I was taken back and I thought to myself, this guy's a scumbag and it's crazy. He just said that. And in the moment, I tried to voice some opposition to that and looking back, I wish I'd given a much stronger rebuttal. I believe I said something to the effect of I can agree with most of what you just said. Yeah, yeah. But I want to acknowledge that it actually it wasn't a strong enough response on my part to what he said. And more importantly, I just I didn't I thought that people would listen to that moment and basically go, this guy's a scumbag. You know what I mean? And I also thought that largely speaking, you and him had had, you know, conflicts in the past and it was sort of just two people flinging insults at each other. However, as time went by, I realized I had made not only a grave mistake, but one that I was deeply apologetic and sorry about. And I think the reality is the simple truth is that there's no place for comments like that on a cannabis podcast. It's just it's just not appropriate. And so I definitely want to take responsibility for that going to air. I think that, you know, as the editor of the show, the buck stops with me. So even if I didn't say the comments myself, I have a responsibility because they went to air and that's under my sort of leadership, so to speak. And I was actually really grateful because it was actually not so dog who messaged me and he let me know some info that allowed me to sort of reflect on the situation and realize just how inappropriate it was that those comments had gone to air. And I specifically wanted to say, you know, thanks not so dog because I always have felt grateful in the manner in which you approached me. It was very humanistic.  It was like, hey, just want you to know it would be cool, you know.  So that I was very grateful for. So since that time, I have been applying a much more active level of moderation to the show and this is sort of getting to the crux of your original question. Which is that I realize that there just is some things that get said that you have to give pushback to because the reality is there's going to be some listeners who just don't find what the guest has said to be acceptable or like maybe it's like insulting to them and so you need to provide some amount of feedback. So these days I tried to I try to provide some degree of feedback so if someone says something I don't like I'll try to come in and say, yeah, but like what about this angle? It doesn't seem like you're considering that. And I try to give some degree of feedback but I also apply like a sort of more active level of moderation in that in the past I literally would not take anything out the guest said unless they asked for it to be taken out. Whereas nowadays there may be some things I'm like, you know what we're just we're a bit off topic here maybe not appropriate or relevant and so you get rid of it. So I think overall it's definitely a continual learning process and you know again I sincerely apologize for any or distress that that caused and I take full responsibility and I view it as a very big learning experience in my life one that I'm not proud of but I'm glad that I hopefully have you know grown as a person and can recognize that that wasn't right and I'm not going to make that mistake again. I'm not going to let you eat grow totally because you did try to reach out to me and I just totally blew it off and I think you know it took me a long time over over because I can hold the grudge and people that know me and have known me over years know that I can hold the grudge like no one's business but there were certain things about that that I took very personal but it wasn't necessarily from you it was from it was because the dude knew me personally and had personal info about me and the thing was that not everybody listening knew because it could have just sounded like a like a mean slander at the time you know but yeah so it took me a long time but when we finally spoke we had because it was it you know that was heavy on me we were friends like I had you out to our Cannaluminati party because I liked you you know so I'm stoked that we moved past it but I was mainly asking you because I am learning that process now myself you know like you had the podcast I we started this way after and I'm slowly learning like okay there's going to be people that like I might have to edit what they say like I don't know where to draw this line and I don't know like is it different between each person like do you just try to draw a line based on that person and how accepting they are certain it's hard man it's hard and I've come to appreciate what you've put together a lot more a lot more being on the other side and and so you know I appreciate the apology but I apologize as well because you know you were reaching out you were trying to communicate and I didn't communicate back and really that's all it took so it was always the shining star trying to like be cool with everyone and I I appreciate that I do think it was very effective for a lot of people it's showing them exactly the kind of person that Gage Green was yeah you know I never asked you to take it down too so there's that I mean it obviously sucks you know in that regard but I mean it you know as far as like me reaching out to you or whatever like I mean Matt knows this very well like one of the reasons why I'm even public is I'm trying to build community and culture you know as sort of like a bulwark against all the changes that are coming and so like I try to like in on IG and all that like you know when you mentioned about like not just like flaming you or something like that like there's a lot of there's a lot of that kind of like like snippy back and forth thing that goes on in public and I don't think that's like particularly you know conducive to anything positive so you know I always try like you know to reach out and see if there's like common ground or to like show someone your point of view and maybe you can bring them along and I always try to be open to that as well you know because to me like being a good person doesn't mean you don't make mistakes or fuck up it just means that you try to learn from it and you try to you know make amends when you do and you like being a good person is a work in progress and you know and that kind of and and so it's not like you never make mistakes so you never look back and be like oh man I wish I would have handled that differently because that's asking for perfection which is far different you know yeah and I don't think you ever did anything out of viciousness that was a whole another thing to it was like there's never anything mean like you didn't do it to be mean to me ever and I always appreciated that even when I was fucking mean you're not fucking mean back so I appreciate that dude because pretty goddamn mean in all honesty I think during that time period where we weren't chatting I just tried to appreciate that anything you said the feelings were essentially warranted and I couldn't deny you know that this person is understandably probably not happy with me and I think that was part of the learning process and to speak to not so dogs point I definitely am a big advocate and I try to tell everyone that you know that like before you go and rip someone's head off drop them a line and and because one thing I know for sure having had a bit of experience in like sort of the mental health field I've realized that there's a very common saying you hear in that which is like always assume ignorance before like maliciousness which is like chances are when someone does something to piss you off they probably didn't think about it hard enough to you know what I mean it probably wasn't like any and and I've certainly learnt a lot from that and that's not trying to you know take any onus of what happened I definitely can resonate with that that sentiment that you know I think our community would be a much more hospitable and friendly place if everyone just sort of tried to yeah exactly what not so dogs said you know just message someone in private you know chances are they'll respond positively and say hey thanks for letting me know I'm sorry about that how can we make it better you know what I mean like I'm always speaking I've had that response from people yeah you know and I hadn't I had just completely blacked it out you know after that I was just like I'm not going to deal with it not going to deal with it and then Tom Hill episode happened and I was like wow this is a good episode just knocked it out of the park so you know I mean I finally got to hear how much you've grown and have listened to several other episodes since and I'm really proud of you man how far you've come to it's pretty exceptional and the Tom Hill one was a massive get and a huge I think a huge achievement for the whole community because nobody really ever talked to him for a long time and had him put all that down on record and you asked him some of the most amazing questions that anybody could have asked him so mad props on that if anybody hasn't listened to it yet go check it out you're too kind honestly if any episode is strikes you as particularly good it's because of the guests not me so you know all props to Tom for everything he's done in the scene and for being willing to share that knowledge and more importantly I've been very adamant about this from the start I wholeheartedly believe that you know you guys will be able to coax a whole different library of information out because you can probably relate to this right when you're doing an interview often you know they say something and you're like oh that's interesting let's follow that trail of thought and like you forget to ask something else so like I think that there's so much stuff that we didn't get out of Tom that we do need to get out and I think that it's going to come out when you guys go and visit him oh lord oh lord I will disagree with you a little bit there in the sense that I think you're being too humble and that interviewing people I think and talking publicly is a skill yeah and I definitely think that you know you do something more and more you probably learn what questions to ask you know you probably got better at researching your subjects and trying to think of good questions that your listeners might want to know you know I mean I personally when we started doing the podcast I started listening for all the weird verbal ticks that I had that I didn't realize because you don't realize you have them in normal conversation and you listen to yourself and you're like oh man I need to get rid of that and so talking in public is hard even if it's pre-recorded or whatever else it's definitely a skill and being entertaining it's not even that like with cannabis there's so much like especially I mean you can interview a lot of people in cannabis that make seeds and it's even if you have no knowledge about breeding it doesn't really matter because odds are well going to interview someone like Tom Hill a whole nother a whole nother aspect because he's going to tell you you're fucking stupid if you ask him a stupid question that makes no sense so yeah no I mean there is you know guests are great and all that but there is a big part of it if you don't know shit and you get the wrong guess that can be really catastrophic and that's one of those guests that could have gone really catastrophic if you didn't know your shit because he will call you ass out so I'm proud of you for that one dude and you remember to ask about the chemist and stuff like that thank you in all honesty yeah Tom's a great guy who let you know when you're wrong which is a good trait I enjoyed our chats with him and you know he's a cool guy I'm glad that we're able to get some of that info out from him and hopefully at some point someone can touch base with the chemist that would be really cool I actually thought you did a good enough job on a lot of the genetic stuff I was like man maybe we'll just talk about life in Mendo and growing up in a subculture because I live in a bubble but where he lives that's like a bubble within a bubble within a bubble it really is people don't know how much that area that he lives in and what kind of world he comes out so the chemist is supposedly his neighbor so maybe if I end up going up there and chatting with him in person which he says he prefers like who knows but there are a lot of old time breeders up here and that's one of the interesting things is because you have a tendency which is very obvious like to interview people that are currently selling seeds like to be like a commercial seed seller those are the people that get their name out there but a lot of those people got their start from people that have never been commercial seed sellers right? they took a bunch of that work even when you talk to Tom he was like most of Tom's most famous stuff is the stuff that he liked the best from the chemist stash he just improved with the exception of the Hayes but the rest of it was pretty much just stuff that he got from older people in the neighborhood and I think that's a big thing that a lot of people miss where a lot of people think current breeders kind of come out of nowhere and they created all this stuff from themselves but they all had a starting material as well and a lot of times we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us and we just popularized certain things I was just going to say I certainly learned which resonates with that is that as time goes by you realize a lot of the people with the big reps it may have been just because they were particularly vocal or loud you know what I mean like a lot of the people you're referencing they just they weren't putting it out there you know? I mean I will say that the skill set required to survive in cannabis during the prohibition era was very different like the show my face you know burner, publicity this is who I am putting your name on a strain you know? was crazy people to know who you were and that you were responsible or associated with this in America a lot of people that didn't actually create the strain just became associated with it because they were the first people to become famous around it you know? and a lot of people got scared and like you know hide in the shadows you know? for a variety of reasons unlike the king of cannabis we saw Matt hold up too long ago where's our guy? did you see that they put out the like you know cookies is opening their own seed bank you see greenhouse seeds in the tag? I did what's he going to add? like I genuinely want to know what's going to be on the menu that's his contribution well you know I think like Arjan is the prototype burner in the Netherlands so I'm sure burner could learn a lot from him when it comes to seed banking and seeds I mean for one thing he's opened up a smoking lounge I believe in one of greenhouses coffee shops in Amsterdam oh boy and so the collab if you will started early and you know Arjan for all of you could there was a it's going on in America now there was two camps in Amsterdam and one of them was sort of like the weed history and the other camp was like straight businessmen who were looking to market and make a lot of money and Arjan was extremely successful at the second he is an extremely successful businessman he's probably the wealthiest dude in cannabis that's what I mean I mean he can teach burner how to go get Spanish seeds everyone to introduce him to you no longer have to use these front men like you know whoever they're using for the smaller companies that are wrapping cookie stuff you can just buy direct from the Spaniards and here's the I'm sure they have a beautiful business I bet Arjan's angle is that for 25 years his town was the center of the cannabis seed universe and it's shifted to California so probably green house getting promoted by cookie in California will probably drive sales and I'm sure their sales are far far down from what they used to be when they were the primary place you went to get seeds green house probably green house coffee shop is probably the prototype cookie yeah you know yeah in reality in the sense that they were the biggest name you know they were the biggest they you know they were the biggest name and and the white widow and all that stuff that they started winning with in the mid 90s was kind of like cookie was the most photogenic weed of the time translated really well to pictures


Who is your go, LeBron or Jordan? LeBron, that one's easy. LeBron Jameson's the go. Oh, man. And I'll always wear Jordans forever. I'm going to go with LeBron being the go. LeBron. He's been on top of his game for 25 years. Since 13 years old, 14 years old, we've watched this man grow, become one of the game's best icons. At 39 years old, he's still relevant, still on top of the game, still an all-star starter. He's the best at ever doing it. People say Jordan's the go. I'm not no disrespect. I think he's been my go, too. So I can respect it. You say LeBron's the go. He's been playing for 21 years. He's still averaging 28 points, both of those dudes. You can pick either one. And it's like, it's a debate. It's a debate.


Brought to you by DIS, keeping companies connected with cloud-based solutions. Come on, City! Stuart, good to chat with you again. If we can start with team news wise, how are you on the body's front going into tomorrow's game? Just exactly the same. I think we'll be like that for a wee while. Good news obviously that everyone's available from Saturday, but the four lads are still out and will be for the short-term future anyway. Can you at all put a timescale on any four of those at the moment, or is it still a little bit too early to be able to say? Yeah, I think Lee Novak will be the longest. He might run into a month maybe, but his grade was the worst grade when he got it scanned. Zell is back running, but that'll be another 70-10 days. Everthing had a little bit of a setback on Thursday or Friday, because we were hoping he was going to be available for Barrow, but he felt a little pain in his hamstring. Nothing major, but he just sets him back for another probably week, and Curtis is probably a week to two weeks. All about that, obviously, and Levi suspended. He's the only one that misses out, but the rest of the lads came through Saturday on a scale. How big a miss are those four used to attacking options when at the moment you're struggling to find the back of the net at the moment? Yeah, I think a couple of real key players for that. I think if you look at it, as you said, Lee Novak will have claims to be our top scorer at the end of the season. I'm sure he'll want to get his name onto that. But Gareth Evans, obviously, he's not been attacking midfielder, Curtis the striker, and Zele. It would be nice to have Zele to even come off the bench for half an hour with his individual ability, which we know he possesses, but since pre-season we've not been able to see it, unfortunately. We know creativity-wise and being clinical. We've not done that of late, but as you said, the four people that are out injured at the minute are attacking stroke creative players. Does that then mean you have to maybe put more responsibility and work more with the players available to you to try and push them forward and give them that confidence, shall we say, to go forward and get themselves that? I think about Callum Cook when I talk about things like that. Yeah, of course. I'm speaking of Cookie today. He could be on three or four goals. Pritch could have had a heart trick at Mansfield alone when you look at his three chances he's had to be in the box. But I also look back at the games that we've conceded. I think Wall Soul at home was there left back scored. Satted it was there left wing back that scored. Harrogate it was there sitting midfielder that scored against us. So goals for us has got to come throughout the team. We can't just rely on the strikers. We've got to be chipping in from obviously Woody scored at Mansfield and Pritch got a goal at Bolton, off the top of my head, Elliot scored with a free kick. But we need to be chipping in from all over the pitch, really. It's a growing narrative at the moment around the side, the lack of goals. Is that then, does that then put more pressure on the players that you do have fit and available? And does it weigh down in them somewhat? Do you feel? We don't want it to weigh down on. We've got to take the pressure off them. I think there's a few things. Listen, we know we've had a really bad poor week. There's no denying that naturally. Played three, lost three, not scored a goal. But like we've had a bad week, we've got to make sure now we're in aim for a good week. We can't change what the points that we've lost or the performance that we've put in. But we've got to be mindful that when we go out certainly tomorrow night and thereafter that we are positive in his mindset, which we will be, and look to go and score goals as much as we can. I think the key, when I look at the 13 games we've had this season, there's only three times we've been ahead in the games, which is obviously less than 25% naturally. And they were away at Mansfield, which we won away at Bolton, and at home. So we've only been, as I said, in the lead three times. Sorry, the other one was away at Forest Green, where we go down to nine men and lose a goal at 96 minutes. We've had seven home games and not scored first in any of them. So I think that's a main thing we need to change and rectify. Trying to go ahead first in games makes the balance of the game different naturally. We're not having to chase games and leave us self-open. We need a bit of control games, like we did at Mansfield when we scored the first goal. So that's a key component which we need to change without a doubt. But we know we're well aware we need to be more creative and certainly more clinical. Is that a psychological hurdle that you maybe need to overcome? We talk a lot about ability, we talk a lot about fitness, we talk a lot about commitment as well, but sometimes it can lie within the mental state of a player. Yeah, and longer it goes on, it's like if you've not won away from home, and longer that run goes, or different runs that you have in football. But we look back at the recent three games last week. Obviously we got beat against a good side at the top of the league at the moment, but we lose a goal in 15 seconds. Tuesday night at Bolton, it's a poor error, they don't have to work out. It's a poor mistake by us, which gives them a goal in the first 20 minutes. And Saturday, I can't really pinpoint it was an error individually, but the lads hit a decent shot into the bottom corner and we're going to go behind again. So we're mindful of that, but it's easy to talk about it. You've got to go out and change things and make it right. How do you then, with all that in mind, view tomorrow night's game playing bottom of the table south end? Anyone looking at the table would say, oh, it's an easy opportunity for you, but I imagine as a manager, you don't want to become too complacent about looking at the league table so early on. No, exactly. We're treating this game as if it's south end, it doesn't matter, we'll be treating it exactly the same manner. We've got to wear that we want to go and play. I'm confident in the players that we're putting out on the part tomorrow that we can go not only south end, but any team that will be playing. And we've got to believe in that and take a degree of confidence. Saturday won a football game, we knew with the elements how the game would be played as a football game, if you like. I think they had one good move in the first half, which culminated in Richard making a good save and then they won a corner from it and then they had a breakaway second half, a football I think that was up and down the country when I watched a lot of the games back. Bolton, there's no doubt, second half, we were dominant. And we've got to look to be that. We've got to be good in position in the ball, but then be creative when we go forward. How do you view south end as opponents, Stuart? It's hard when you're losing games, they're losing by the odd goal at times, they lost a late goal last week, just watched the game against Oldham, lost at home 2-1, sat there up against the strongport Vale side, but I'm not looking too much into them at all. We're fully focused on how we want to go about the game and how we want to play it, but we've got to be mindful that we want to get ahead in the game so we can control it a little bit more, but they've got some individual talent there, so the lads know which whatever team we play against, you know, you give them full respect, but you go and do your best you can be, and that's what we've got aim to do tomorrow. I realise it's very, very early on in the season still, but given the current form that you're in and given the current context of the league 2 table, is it a must win game tomorrow for you as a side? I think if we want to get back on track and obviously climb the table, it's a game we've got to be looking to win naturally. You don't manage your coach, you'll put a must win tag on anything, but I'd certainly take your point and I would certainly understand that the supporters will look at it like that naturally here, and so should we. We've got to start, as you said, we've had a poor week, we've got to make sure we flip it now and have a good week and then build on that. I've got a desire and determination to be here and to be successful in the long term capacity. Now, we've got to start getting results naturally, I'm not stupid, but it is early on in the season. There has been certain little things we can point to that's not been good enough, but there's also been certain little things that have gone maybe against us and we should have more points on the board. The league table at the moment, although it's not good, 100% it's not, and we want to do it far better, it's not a situation where we're miles away and out of it. Just like we've had three defeats on the bounce, I think as I said on Saturday, there's no reason why we can't go and put three wins on the bounce in the coming weeks and coming months. Just finally, Stuart, just away from matters on the pitch, we learnt later on Saturday evening after the national lockdown had been announced that football would continue during what was going to be another difficult period for many supporters and fans. Just how important is it to feel as someone who's been affiliated with the game for so long that football does continue in what is going to be another difficult period for the people of Bradford? Yeah, exactly. I think it is important for us to carry on obviously for the supporters. We know what everyone in the country is going through and you look to your football team to raise spirits. We've not done that of late so we've got to be mindful of that, that we want to start putting smiles back on people's faces or watching the game and we're frustrated and angry with life in general at the moment but adding to that is the poor results we've been getting of late so we look to change that. I still watched a couple of games yesterday watching Old Trafford with nobody in it. We want to keep the football going but it shows you how things quickly can change. It was only last month we were looking at getting fans back in the ground and maybe then getting 20% back in or 30%. You look abroad, Germany were getting people in but they've had to close down so it's a trying situation not only at the football club but obviously in general life for everyone with a closed down and shut down but for talking about us personally as a football club we've got to make sure we go out and put in performances that can at least give a little bit of light to the supporters that are watching. Do you think just on that point actually Stuart very quickly there's a greater role and responsibility on your shoulder you'll always go out there to represent the football club and put smiles on the fans faces but given just how difficult the climate is of life in general right now is there a greater role and responsibility of you as a football club to represent and also bring the smile on people's faces? Yes, I think so. I definitely think so. It's something we're looking at aiming to do. I understand the frustrations anger disappointment of recent results naturally but it's going to be a long term project that we want to build and be successful in and I genuinely believe we will be successful and get this club back to climbing climbing certainly this table but then looking higher but we need to get a full start turning these performances or these results into wins and make things look a little healthier but yes it's in anything isn't it? Hang on to something when we're going through there's lots of people going through different things in life at the moment and certainly sport and football in general can give people lift and that's what we've got to try to do. Stuart, thank you for your time. Good luck tomorrow. Cheers, thank you. Just following up from that point about the lockdown we heard on Sunday I think it was that there was a possibility that you might not be able to play the FA Cup tie on Saturday because no league size might not be able to play. Have you heard any more on that yet? I haven't peaked to be honest. I've not I did get a mention yesterday but I'm not sure it will go ahead well I'm sure, except I would imagine I spoke to Mark today, there's been nothing no mention of it so I've not heard any discussions over that so I would imagine it will go ahead. I'm returning to last Saturday I think that was your fourth red card so far in the season is that something you spoke to the players about they're disciplined? Yeah, we'll be reiterating it again tomorrow there's nobody is more distraught than Levi Sutton on Saturday over the weekend and today he's had a few private personal issues over the last week which has been tough for the kid but he came in on Saturday I asked him to get about the game get tackles in when I watched the tackle back there's no doubt in this climate it's a red card I've no arguments with that in my day it would have been a strong robust challenge that wins the ball stay on the ground level with the ball but I'm not complaining about it's a red card there's no doubt about that reckless you could say but as I said to answer your question the lads are well aware of the discipline I was saying to the staff today if it's something that goes an elbow if it's on something or kicks something or deliberately tries to do something then there's no excuses I'm asking Levi to go get some tackles in that midfield he's gone and won the ball but obviously the reckless nature he did it in merited the red card so as much as I spoke to him about it and the rest of the players we've got to be mindful it is a contact sport as well so it's to answer your question they are aware of the discipline that needs to be shown I love the issue of giving away soft goals and maybe not scoring as many as you should do do you think there's a danger that the players start trying too hard and then the errors start escalating well I think as we said again today just because everyone's desperate for this winning because you're looking at a team that are currently at the bottom of the table don't put that any more pressure on the players let them go out and play a relaxed game in front of goal certainly I want to play with composure tomorrow and quality I think the team we're putting out tomorrow will have that and then don't be trying too hard don't be thinking where every time you get the ball you've got to score you've got to do something if you're a striker just make sure when the chances come along be as clean as you can we've done a lot of finishing again today it doesn't replicate a match day situation but the more you practice hopefully the better you get Stuart, good luck tomorrow Stuart, just from me the team obviously one thing I've picked up obviously Reece has been getting quite a few games Reece Thornton, Finkles and Dawson played on Saturday and obviously I know it's kind of part forced your hand with sort of injuries and players missing are you excited to be giving you the chance and hoping that can continue as the season goes on I think obviously a couple of lads on Saturday won't play as the lone lads young boys but we've got Elliot there who's 20, the two lads who played on Saturday 18 another one of the young boys will be on the bench again tomorrow another different one I mean listen for me age is irrelevant you know 138 as you can be 18 but the lads have been getting game time have merited where they've trained and where they've played in games this season Brought to you by DIS keeping companies connected with cloud based solutions Come on City


I'm going to talk for microservices, this is just a short introduction about myself. I'm a senior as debt and fresh debt and building and designing test frameworks and also into building CI and CD pipelines. Currently I'm working on dockerizing our microservices. So the agenda for today, I'm going to talk about something called CDC, which is actually consumer driven contracts and also about the implementation details of it, how it works and how it actually helps to solve the problem that I'm going to state. So before we could start, can anyone guess what this means or has anyone seen this earlier? What is it? Any guesses? Okay, so this is called the debt star. It's actually the internal architecture of the microservices in Amazon. So in such a complex system, there arises one problem, right? Like each team actually owns their own microservice and they keep making changes and there could be other services which would consume the service. So in such a system, how do I ensure that any change that I make to my system does not actually affect the consumers? So this is the problem that we are trying to solve. So I should be able to confidently deploy my changes without breaking any other services. So this is where CDC actually comes to the rescue. So what is consumer driven contract? It is actually a pattern defined by Martin Foller. So in this, what actually happens is let's take the example of two services, a provider and a consumer. Actually, the consumer defines a contract saying, hey, this is the kind of request that I would send you and this is the response that I expect from you. So this is the contract defined by the consumer and it actually establishes a pact or a contract. And every time the provider makes any change to his system, he needs to adhere to it saying, okay, so this is the contract that I have with my consumers and I need to make sure that this actually is intact and my change does not break the contract. So there are various implementations of this concept, meaning there are various tools which actually implement this consumer driven contract and one such tool is PACT. So PACT is nothing but an open source library and it's available in various flavors of languages. There are other tools called Pacto, Janus and Spring Cloud contract as well. So Spring Cloud is actually a Java implementation of it. So as I said, PACT is a open source library and it's available in various languages. And these are the two flavors that we use, the Ruby and the npm modules and it's available in other languages as well. And this is actually used for asynchronous integration tests. So I would get, I'll shortly get to it why it is called asynchronous. Let's first see how it works. So, okay, again, what I would say is like it is as simple as unit tests, but then it's as powerful as end to end tests or integration tests. Let's see how it actually validates this statement. So for this talk, I'm going to take two services called the dev portal and the activity service. So I actually work with a team called marketplace team, which is into the business of building and providing SDKs for SDKs using which apps can be written. These apps can actually run on top of fresh desk, on top of fresh desk. So there's a dev portal where the developers can submit the app and the activity service. It just records all the activities that happens in the dev portal. So in this example, activities is the provider and their portal is the consumer. So let me just take you over what happens on the consumer side and what happens on the provider side, how these tests are actually implemented.  These are actually the packed tests. What do they do? They actually start a mock pack provider. So in our case, the provider is the activities service, right? So it actually starts a mock provider for activities and you have the code. So the first step that happens is it sets the expectations on the provider. So what do I mean by setting expectations is before the tests could start, it would actually tell the provider, hey, this is the kind of request that I would give you. And if I give such a request, you are expected to return such a response. So such expectations are set. The test sign work and it sent to the mock provider and the expected responses are received. And it's again asserted on the other side. So if you actually take a closer look at it, it's nothing much different from the usual unit tests that we write, correct? Because again, we are actually mocking the provider and we are trying to run the tests. But then how is it actually different from the usual unit tests? So if you actually see what happens is all the tests that are run on the consumer side, it actually gets recorded at the background. All this is actually done by the packed tool and it gets written into a file called the packed file. So the packed file, it's actually a collection of all requests and response between two services.  Yeah, and basically it actually contains all of these details like the endpoints, the query params that are needed, the header and the response object that I received. So now that we have the packed file, let's see how it's actually used on the provider side. So on the provider side, I have the packed file and I have my service. So once I start the tests on the provider side, what happens is it would actually replay every HTTP request that is present in the packed file. And the provider would actually respond with the real responses. And this response is again validated against the response that I already have in my packed file. So this is how we actually ensure that the contract between the provider and the consumer is not broken. So if everything goes well, it returns a success, otherwise it fails. So unless and until you actually verify the packed on the provider side, just generating the packed alone would not help us in any way. Only this verification actually ensures this integration. And if you actually notice, in this way of testing, we are not actually bringing up both the services at a time. So both are actually independent and they need not be up and running for these tests to happen. So that's where actually packed tests actually differ from the traditional ways of integration tests. Yeah, the pack file can be shared in various ways. And these are a few ways in which it can be shared. One is using the file system, which is like just if you have both the services in the same file system, you can just share the file path. Or if you have a CI pipeline defined for each of your microservice, then you can just have these packed verification and pack generation steps as a part of your build pipeline and publish them as the artifact. Or you can store the packed file in the cloud, maybe S3. Or there's something called the pack broker, which is again a different module again provided by the pack tool itself. This is nothing but a repo for collecting all the packed files. So basically, it has other features added to it as well, something like a web hook, which would invoke the other dependent services every time there's a change. Or you can even tag the packed files saying this version of it belongs to the prod and this version belongs to the staging and so on. So those features available in the pack broker. So as you can see, the various advantages that comes at it are it actually eliminates wrong assumptions between teams, because all of the specifications are present in the pack file itself and the agreement is clearly defined. And it enables communication every time there is a test failure, it means that the pack is not being kept and the teams can communicate about it. And if you can see the time to set up this is actually very less. So what I mean by this is maybe you might have the initial learning curve, but then the you will not be spending time in setting up the servers and so on. So otherwise, if you actually consider the traditional ways of doing it, what you would do is like you would actually check into maybe one of the branches staging or and you set up the complete staging stack, all of that could be avoided. If you use this, no extra infrastructure. Yes, and this is one of the main advantages. It's kind of a self-help tool for the dependent services. You need not start the dependent service to test the integration. It executes very fast, as fast as unit tests and it fails fast. Yes, this is again a very important point to note because you're not even actually integrating, you're not checking in your code. Even before you could check in, you can be very sure that you're not breaking any integrations between your services and no flakiness like in the traditional ways of testing, you might have some flaky tests due to environmental issues, all that could be avoided and it's easy to debug as well. So I'm just going to go over a short demo, not exactly a demo. I'm just going to show a few code snippets of our Ruby implementation. So this is what happens on the consumer side. So we are actually setting up the mock server. And again, here I'm using the tool called the packed, the Ruby gen, actually. So this is the service consumer, the depth portal. And it actually has a packed with activities, which is its provider. And this act activities is actually started. I mean, a mock service of the activity has started in port 3005. And this is where I set my expectations. So this is the request that I'm going to send to my mock provider. So this has all of the information available, like the path, the query params, the header, et cetera. So this is what we set in the mock provider. So if it gets such a request, then it has to respond with the response that we see here, which is a status 422 and the header and with the body, with the specific error message. Yeah, this is the snippet to actually make the call. And when this call actually is made, this is when the request is triggered to the mock provider. And this is when it actually gets recorded to the packed file. So this is actually a sample packed file. This is how a packed file would look like. As you can see, you can see the consumer and the provider. And also the interactions is nothing but the set of all HTTP requests and responses. So for this example, I've just taken one such request. So this is how a packed file would look like. And this is what is being used on the provider side. So on the provider side, what we do is like the provider is activities and it has to honor the packed with their portal. And what we need to specify is just this, the path where you can find the packed file. And all of the replaying of the HTTP request, all of that is actually taken care of by the pack tool itself. Once you do a packed verify, it would either pass or fail based on the results. So this is how if there is a failure, it would actually specify where it has failed and why it has failed. This is a sample failure. This is how a sample failure would look like. So there are three parameters which it would check. One is the status code of the response that it receives and checks whether the body is matching and also the headers. If everything goes well, then it would actually succeed. And this is how it could look like. And these are a few references which you can check and look at to learn about consumer driven contracts. And to know more about packed tool as such, you can actually look into pack.io. They have a very good documentation available as well. So that's pretty much it. So, questions? Hello. Can we mark intermittent failures using this? Incremental failures? Like what? So if I want to test how my service is going to handle the scenarios where the provider is down or a retry kind of scenario, can I do that in this? So these actually, only the interactions could be tested between services which are actually HTTP requests and responses. So what kind of failures could be tested is like if the dependent service is going to respond with an error message or something like that, that could be tested but not for standalone services. It's actually meant to test the interaction between services. Right. But I would like to test cases where in the provider service responds correctly. And also the cases where the provider service may not respond in the way that I'm originally expecting. I mean, let's say a network outage or something like that. So does it return a response object error response at least? May or may not. So if it returns, that could be tested. If it doesn't, then it doesn't know. We'll deal with one scenario. Sometimes, I mean, as you mentioned how the tool works, that the real life responses are recorded and then the test you compare against that response. So sometimes the responses have fields like timestamps which vary all the time, right? So does the tool allow you to ignore certain fields? Yes. So you can actually, there are ways to specify or rejects for certain fields like the one you said or for actual time and date or ID. So all that is available as a part of the tool's feature. And how about where, you know, you need the response of, you need one response and based on that you make the next request. So like a chain request, is it? Okay. So in that case, you'll have to write different sets of contracts, like contract tests for different services. Like say if you have service A, B and C, A talks to B, B talks to C and again, C sends a response back to B and then B responds to A. In such a scenario, you'll actually have to write a set of tests between A and B and then another set of tests between B and C. That's all. Okay. Thank you.


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Okay, so next up in our lightning rounds, our fourth lightning round for Big Talk from Small Libraries 2018 is Julie Penel. Hey Julie. Hey. She is University Librarian at Nebraska Wesleyan University, right here in Lincoln, Nebraska, just a little base away from me. She's here in town. And she's been talking about strategic planning that she's done at the library and how it is a efficiency for a small academic library. So go ahead and take it away, Julie. Okay, thank you. Thanks for having me. I want to show you some very retro looking pictures of our library. These arrived in our office like two weeks ago that apparently the architect was moving their office. And so they were cleaning out their files and they sent these very 70s looking pictures of our library. But I thought, well, this is better than I can take. So I'm going to share these with you just so you have an idea of what our library looks like. I'm very lucky for you that they had, did you even know these are out that we're out there until they showed up? And the really wonderful thing is there were some interior shots from the early 70s and it has changed a lot on the inside. So it was very fun to see the original plan of the library. So it's really been fun to get those. We really appreciated it. I am fairly new actually to this library. I've been here just under a year and a half. So I started in September of 2016 as the library director. And when I started, I started the day after Labor Day. So the school year was already off and running, and I missed opening week, which is always a great introduction for new people. So I was thinking, how can I get to know, you know, my staff, the library staff, we have three librarians, including myself and three library specialists. And I will tell you that it's just been a delight to work with these people. I feel like they, I have the dream team here, but I wanted to get to know them and their vision of the library. And I wanted to know from the campus stakeholders how they viewed the library because I was coming in totally cold to this university. So I thought back to a year previously at the Nebraska Library Association conference. I had heard a really great presentation about strategic planning in public libraries. And I was really inspired by what I heard, and I had been really wanting to, you know, try this process out. I attended universities before where the university, of course, had their strategic plan, but I really hadn't worked at a library that had its individual library strategic plan. So I thought this was just the perfect combination. And the reason I thought it was so perfect was I think that a strategic plan is the perfect communication tool really it's a really strong communication tool. Building one, you build strong connections with the stakeholders. So I really had a really strong desire for that. And I always feel like I need an elevator talk. And this is a great way to polish your elevator talk to actually create it. And it's actually pretty compact so that if you do give it to an administrator, a board of governor, something like that, they can tell at a glance what your goals are. So I was very excited about this process. So I talked to my staff about it. And one month in we started out creating our, the process of creating a strategic plan. I went to Padlet and set up basically a bulletin board. And I just put up the mission, the values, and whoops, I just lost my screen again, Krista. Anyway, I can't see the right side of my screen, but we have mission values. And this is basically the outline of what we are going to use for our outline for our strategic plan. And the wonderful thing is I gave the link, the URL to my staff, and they were able to anonymously contribute what their thoughts were on this. And that was important because with me being new, they might not feel comfortable giving negative comments. So I thought that having an anonymous feature would be really very good. The following week, we went ahead and did another padlet board for SWAT, basically strengths, weakness, opportunities, and threats. And once again, I really wanted them to be completely honest about, for instance, what our weaknesses were and what the threats might be. And if you see in the lower right hand corner, by this time we had learned that our provost was going to retire at the end of the school year. So we didn't know who we would be directly reporting to because the library directly reports to the provost. So this was kind of a worry. I think that we are, you know, a possible worry that we all had. During this process, one of the team members had actually been part of a strategic planning process elsewhere. And she commented, you know, why are we doing this? We're just going to do all this work and then we're going to put it in a drawer and we'll never look at it again. And I really did assure her that we would be reviewing this strategic plan every semester, and then it would be our map for the future. This was our plan. So with a lot of teamwork, we came up with our strategic plan.  We looked very carefully at the university's mission and vision and made sure that we had the two connect because of course we exist in partnership and in service of the mission and vision of the university. But we wrote our own, and then we listed our goals and you can see two of them here. The first is encourage knowledge creation. The second is to make meaningful student experiences. And below each one of the goals we've listed, you know, the actions that we are planning to take. And in parenthesis, you can see that we list the start dates or the anticipated start date and the team members who will be overseeing that particular sub goal. So you should see all of our goals that we came up with. I just kind of want to lead you through the process that we went through and then, you know, see how it all comes out. But so you've seen the first two, and then the next one is to be a campus magnet or center for learning. The fourth is to provide access to high quality information. We want to be a leader on campus for information literacy. We definitely want to collect, preserve and promote the history of Wesleyan because we do have the archives here and we find them to be quite exciting. And we think that primary sources are great teaching tools. So then we turned outward and started talking to our stakeholders and for our students, we bought whiteboards and put them on each floor of the library and solicited, you know, we put questions up that were related to our strategic plan and solicited their answers. I think a lot of institutions, institutional research really tries to keep the number of campus wide surveys down so that there isn't fatigue, what they call survey fatigue, so we knew we couldn't really do that, but we could do this and it was very, very successful we thought for getting student input. I took the strategic plan to the chairs and directors group. This was the leadership and asked them to break into small groups and just read and discuss and then answer these four questions and they could either write it out, or they could do it on this Google form. And so I basically asked them what they would want to change about the library, what they wanted to have stay the same, what they saw as unmet needs at Wesleyan and how they would describe the library. And that fed into a Google spreadsheet, and I manually entered all of the, you know, printed, you know, the longhand answers, and we learned a lot of really, you know, great things from this process, great suggestions. I then took it to a division meeting of the full faculty and showed them that on the faculty lip guide that we have in the far right lower corner, we actually have the strategic plan I had them click on it and look at it, and then we had those survey questions again link from there and the beauty of this is they can come here anytime. And I told them they could they could answer this frequently if they wanted to whenever they have an idea they can come back to the survey and you know, give us input. So, that has worked well. The, at this point, we had a pretty good handle on our strategic plan, and it was June, and our new provost had arrived. So, I actually wasn't scheduled to meet with her until fall after school started again. So, after a couple of weeks, I did send her the strategic plan and our assessment plan and curriculum map and just said, you know, these are just for your perusal. If you're ever curious about, you know, what we're doing, this should, you know, help you answer those questions. And she sent me back an email that was just really so nice. She thanked me and said she was thrilled to see that we'd done all this work. And I love the fact that she said it made her tingle with excitement. And we're also going to use it for external review, which is coming.  So it's very cute. But for external review purposes, I think this is just best practices in in higher learning, you know, you go through external review every, you know, five, seven, 10 years, whatever the institution designates. And that's our external reviewer. And part of it is every academic program has to use the form that's on the right for part of they have to do a self study, and they have to talk about a plan basically for continuous improvement. And if you see, look, there's mission statement, explain your departmental mission and relationship to the university, we've done all that it was all done through our process. And for strategies for continuous improvement, all I had to do was basically link to the strategic plan, super efficient. So just to wrap up with the efficiencies. I thought that it helped me be just very quickly introduce ourselves to the provost prepare for the external review as a dream. I learned very quickly about the library staff. We heard so much from our campus stakeholders, and we were really able to identify a lot of matches between our resources and unmet needs on campus has been very exciting and very fun. So, thank you. I'm over my 10 minutes. So I guess I better stop. No, actually, I've been timing things. You're perfect. Just break. All right. We do have two questions are actually the same question. The virtual bulletin board pad site use. Can you, what was that again called? It's padlet padlet padlet. Yes, I've heard of people. I've seen places people use that before. And you, there are all different themes that you can use, but I really loved it. You can use it in a number of ways. I've used it also in information literacy instruction sessions to have students, you know, participate in certain things. But I really liked the fact that in this case, I could get anonymous feedback from the staff, you know, very low risk for them. It's very slick. Definitely. Yes. And free. That's part of spring. Absolutely. I love how I love part. I mean, that's great. The strategic plan for some people it's very overwhelming, but all the different other things it can feed into a certain officially for you as just you maybe didn't even plan that, you know, that external review. Hey, just one short sentence. Boom, we're done. It's just been so worth it. And I guess, you know, I just kind of wanted to show how it played out here. I know people do the strategic planning process in different ways, but it has really been very fruitful for us. Awesome. Great. Well, thank you very much, Julie. Thank you.