Hello and welcome to the DEFCON 29 ICS Village where today I'm going to talk about crippling the grid and examination of dependencies and cyber vulnerabilities and just what that means. So first, who am I? Well, my name is Joe Sloak. I'm currently the CTI and detections lead for network security monitoring company Gigamon. Previously I performed cyber threat intelligence research for domain tools and Dregos. And prior to that I've held multiple roles in the US government, including at Los Alamos National Laboratory in the US Navy. But enough about me. What's our agenda for today. So today we're going to first talk about understanding what the grid actually means as a concept as a really a machine, and then with that high level understanding will then dive into some of the particulars of how the electric system actually operates and potential these and injection points that could lead to cyber nexus attack routes in order to cause disruption and disruption in a way different than what we see with most headline events that have taken place over the last 10 years. And finally we'll conclude on a more uplifting note in talking about what is actually required to defend against attacks of this nature. So first, when we talk about the grid. I have to realize that really not talking about one thing from a North American perspective really talking about several things within the United States alone, we have the western Texas and eastern interconnects as well as a little bit out similar sections covering Alaska and Quebec. So we really have different sections different geographic regions that, while not completely independent of one another, certainly do create segmentation when it comes to the overall transmission and distribution of electricity, which actually gets us to another point that the electric sector is not a monolithic entity but really consists of entities spanning several distinct phases from generation what people typically think of when they talk about the production of electricity, but that generation has to be transmitted across substantial distances in order to reach consumers where final sort of last mile distribution takes place by other entities. And these entities can, and often are distinct from one another, representing different companies and it's important to note that if we look at historical events and impacts. Attacks take place at different phases of the electric system. So the two Ukraine events the first in 2015 targeted distribution, the second in 2016 targeted transmission. And we're not quite aware of any actual in the wild impact on generation, at least not at this time. It's not to say it hasn't happened it just means that no one's really talked about it or proven that it is the case, although there certainly have been some tests like the Aurora generator test that have touched on the subject. But to close this section up, there's no single grid, we have multiple phases of operation throughout the process of delivering electricity to end users, and different organizations often operate at different phases of the this operation. That already gets us a pretty complex attack surface between different regions different organizations operating within that region, and how they might interact with one another, but there's a lot more going on than just this high level view of the electric system. Because but wait, there is more. Because there are additional system characteristics that tie into how the electric system operates as a system of systems as one continent spanning machines, so to speak, that gets us into items such as requirements for generation. The stability of the system in order to operate and operate in a way that's safe, as well as the actual delivery of services to consumers. We're going to touch on this last one that much but it is something to bear in mind, especially as we see increasing adoption of things like smart metering and other ways of transmitting more control and more interaction, all the way to end users that previously just didn't exist before. That's an entirely different topic that we can do an entire presentation on on its own. But we'll talk about though, are generating sources and fuel. So, while it would be ideal that electric generation was more renewable in nature or even nuclear I would argue, primary ways of generating electricity across much of the world right now consists of fossil fuels principally coal and natural gas. And because we're talking about burning a substance in order to generate steam that then turns a turbine. We need fuel in order to make this process work. Well, that's a pretty important vulnerability and how these systems work because if you can somehow cut off or disrupt the supply of fuel that can be problematic very quickly. So we have coal storage yards that can be quite large and have maybe several days worth of supply, but natural gas is typically a just in time, very low storage at least on site proposition. So disruption in these sorts of markets could be quite catastrophic quite quickly. So we have balancing authorities when it comes to things like system stability. So we already looked at the grid is consisting of at least three high level distinct entities, but within those entities. We have a further set of responsibilities for balancing the frequency phase and similar characteristics as well as matching the actual amount of electricity generated with demand at any given point in time. In order to make sure that the system functions electricity has to be consumed essentially as it's created and has to do so within fairly well defined tolerances were to do so safely without damaging equipment. And that's what these authorities are set up to do to organize these systems and make sure that everyone is playing along the right set of rules. So the thing is, is that if we start getting a unstable or an unmanaged grid within one of the balancing authority geographies as well as through the entire interconnect bad things can happen. So for example in North America, we generate around 60 Hertz in terms of frequency corresponding to really just literally how a generator is turning and how many revolutions per unit of time. So that is we start getting away from that frequency, even by relatively small amounts, we induce the possibility for either errors in the system but also set the stage for outright equipment damage that needs to be mitigated through various controls. The same applies for things such as the frequency around which the, we talked about frequency the phase around which electric generation takes place and how this is then communicated throughout the system on to transmission and even distribution levels with other physical equipment balancing authorities step in to make sure that everyone participating in these systems is doing so in the right fashion and doing so in a way that allows the system to function normally. Now, I've just talked a lot of very, very high level user complex topics and we can talk about these for quite an extended period of time, but you didn't come here to talk about power engineering. You came here to talk about cyber and we haven't really touched on cyber at all just yet. But the thing is is that cyber actually has a role to play in this and it's one that's increasing, and that leads to several risks. For example, just recently, a few months ago, we had the colonial pipeline ransomware incident. This impact all the electric sector, particularly this was a petroleum pipelines that we're talking about vehicle fuel aviation fuel and similar. This does show that pipelines can be fragile to a certain extent now in this case, the disruption to colonial pipeline, never really resulted in ransomware induced shortages, mostly panic buying and quite frankly human activity produced the impact in this scenario, but it does show that pipelines can be impacted in ways that have physical repercussions through something like relatively indiscriminate ransomware operations. Well, what does that mean we start talking about natural gas and not patrolling natural gas, the sort of natural gas revolution in power generation in North America is astound. And we start here that where natural gas used to be sort of a lower level contributor to the electric generation mix of North America. It is rapidly grown to become the number one source of electricity within the United States. And the thing is, is that while that is fueled by things like the shale gas boom and other sort of operations still requires the movement of natural gas from its point of extraction, typically places in Texas, and the northern Midwest and other areas to get to generating facilities typically typically closer to populations. And as you can see from this map, there are some pretty interesting choke points and we're starting to look at this as a system. We see around major gas development regions again like Texas and the Gulf Coast, we see lots and lots of pipelines and lots of reliability or at least fall potential fall failovers within the system. But as we start getting into areas like the Western United States, the Eastern seaboard, the Florida peninsula and other areas, start seeing fewer and fewer redundancy within the system. So if we were able to induce some sort of disruption to pipeline systems on the gas sector. Well, the thing is we already seen some of these events take place but they did so at a fairly small level. So in 2019, there was a notice put up by the United States Coast Guard of all entities that a relatively small pipeline facility was impacted through a Ryuk ransomware event that resulted in a disruption. It was a minor event given the size and scale of the facility involved, but it shows that we can get disruption of petrochemical including natural gas infrastructure through something like ransomware. One thing to keep in mind is that just recently CISA announced, or at least attributed and made publicly available a report that existed for some time. A widespread intrusion campaign from 2011 to 2013 linked to the People's Republic of China, that was targeting pipelines at a very thorough, very widespread sort of basis. These areas are either sort of unintentionally from the ransomware perspective, or very deliberately through very long duration intrusion operations involving pipelines exploring this field to what end you may ask. Well, if I can identify a critical pipeline or segment, maybe not getting quite down to an individual compressor station but at least identifying the control center that would control multiple compressor stations and similar infrastructure for a given pipeline. That could potentially disrupt that control center or similar functionality through a cyber event and resulted in a disruption of pipeline operations. That would restrict the flow of gas to follow on generation stations as well as things like home heating and other items that could start to create a real physical impact. Now certainly some of these systems are well segregated and there are defenses in place but given the trend line away from very local very hands on sort of management to be systems, and instead to having distributed management from a single or handful of remote control centers, this sort of scenario starts become significantly more impactful and realistic than it may have been even just five or 10 years ago. In addition to things like feedstocks we also have stabilization impacts. So these are two examples that took place in early 2019, ironically both on the same day in 11th of January of 2019 of frequency deviation events one in the United States, the other in the European Union. In both cases there were essentially unexplained at least at the time, significant frequency deviations that resulted in non trivial impacts to the overall electric system, shedding load of people not having power, taking plants offline in order to prevent physical damage and other things. While some explanations have emerged for why these events took place it's still very strange when you start looking at either and so he or this project from Oak Ridge National University of Tennessee that tracks the sort of anomalous events that these are quite common but systems can step in in order to prevent the worst case scenarios from developing as a result of these grid wide phenomenon that take place. So examples of those sorts of impacts include just simple operational efficiency as well as wear and tear. So having things like protective relays stepping in to take a system off or put a system back on. There are significant frequency deviations does generate wear and tear and that equipment. When things get a little bit more dicey and sort of what we saw in the European example, we can start seeing asset assets become isolated so moving equipment from the system, or shedding load in such a fashion that consumers experience a blackout in order to make sure that the system remains stable. Finally, we could even get into potential physical damage scenarios. So the Aurora generator test that I spoke about earlier, involved a manipulation in the electro the protective relay system for a generating asset, and by manipulating that in just the right way so that you resync the generating asset out of sync to frequency or phase you can cause it to basically shudder and do that enough times or with a large enough deviation, you can actually induce physical damage. Now we haven't really seen anything like that take place, at least not to a breathtakingly destructive fashion because there are many systems that step in in order to prevent these sorts of scenarios from occurring. But it is something that the grid has been designed around because it's a very real risk to equipment. So from a cyber perspective though we're starting to see adversaries become more interested either incidentally or very deliberately to the types of systems that step in from a balancing instability perspective when it comes to electric system operations. So for example within the last two years, really actually just within the last year this took place last year, there were two events of interest. The first involved an intrusion at the European entity and so he, which essentially links the transmission operators on the European continent together to allow for better communication and whatnot. So and so he doesn't really control anything itself but it's an awfully nice springboard to getting access to the TSO organizations that are underneath it to facilitate follow Not what you would typically expect for an adversary to really go after for an intelligence value, or anything else and there was a ransomware in this case, but a very intriguing target for what it might enable for follow on operations. Around the same time, there was also a ransomware event that targeted a entity in the United Kingdom called Alexa that's responsible for essentially market operations to match electric generation with electricity demand. While it's very debatable that taking down Alexa would result in any actual physical damage to the underlying electric system. It certainly would increase the amount of friction in play in trying to operate deregulated electricity markets. And so we can't quite ignore that either. If we go back a little bit further to and it's not on this slide. We could look at the 2016 Ukraine power event as another example of at least approaching some aspects of this frequency and stability question when the attack resulted in manipulation and actually disabling of the protective relays on the victim power of transmission station as part of that incident. So adversaries are starting to learn that not only are these systems present and represent a sort of soft underbelly to the overall electric system, but they can also be reached targeted and potentially manipulated through computer network operations. And we have examples of this taking place, albeit at very low and at least not yet, or at least not not known destructive levels for over five years if we go back to the 2016 Ukraine incident. So possibilities for an adversary in this sort of grid stability attack scenario range from denial, walking access to system wide resources and removing system wide safety and other sort of checks that allow for efficient and very integrity focused system to disruption where we can outright disrupt operations as they shut down in order to preserve safety in an unstable or just uncertain operating environment to outright destruction. So like we talked about with things like the Aurora test and something like the 2016 Ukraine event there are possibilities to induce physical damage. This would be really, really, really flipping hard to try to actually execute and practice because it would require setting off the event so to speak by creating the network wide instability, but also removing protections and other controls that are in line to prevent worst case scenarios from developing so an adversary would have to do a number of things to make this possible. However, the increasingly networked nature of a lot of our grid operations systems as well as individual portions of the electric system as it may exist, mean that there are increasing possibilities for adversaries to reach out and touch some of these elements. So we can't quite ignore it, even if this represents a very distant right or left tail possibility compared to some of these other scenarios. So that's all very concerning and present some problems, but as London would say, what is to be done. Well, the first thing is we have to really remember and recognize that the grid is a big complex project, whether we're talking in Europe in North America, etc. And not only is that, you know, in the classic case of like oh there are actually three grids in the United States, but also comes to understanding those dependencies and other items that allow for the grid to function in the way that it was designed to. That means that we need to invest in security visibility and redundancy across all phases of operation in order to really be able to respond to or counter high end threats to this environment. Part of that means making sure that we're increasing our visibility to try and match threats, we have that increased visibility we can then have greater assurance of deploying root cause analysis on any incidents that may emerge like those frequency deviation events we talked about earlier, and by applying this continuous analysis of our own environment, we could then marry that to continuous analysis of the threat environment, what lessons can we learn from what adversaries are doing out in the wild, such as the targeting of entities like E, or Alexa and pipeline operations, etc. Based on that understanding fusing internal and external perspectives, we can adjust defenses in light of that knowledge, and ideally, begin sharing that knowledge, not just with others within our sector, such as other power generators are similar, but also sharing partners and other entities that make this system function at a massive scale, omitting the balancing authorities and omitting fuel suppliers and transportation functionality means that we're essentially extending vulnerabilities out beyond where we can really control or see them and allowing for sort of round ways of impacting electric utility operations. Another part of this and since we are at DEF CON it's important to bring this up is that we also need to be a little bit more creative when it comes to our security testing and red team. Just saying like oh the bad actors can't get to our generator controls that we're safe omits ideas like some of the stability attacks and other items where we're looking at attacks that originate outside of our own perimeter. We can identify and test for these scenarios, such that we can identify when controls exist and what controls need to be improved, as well as for evaluating things like our business continuity and disaster recovery plans, should one of these scenarios manifest so that service can be restored in a timely fashion. So this is a very short talk and we only touched on things at you know the 10,000 foot foot view. I hope this was very insightful and really identifying that from a defense of electric utility operations. It's not just about the utilities it's not even just about transmission generation and distribution. There's an awful lot that we need to be concerned about and making sure that we have eyes on. So with that, I hope that this has been enlightening and leading to some interesting thoughts about where to go forward. This few resources available on this topic I've also written and presented on these topics elsewhere so plenty of other things out there that can be referenced. But with that, if there's time, we will try to take some questions. So thank you.


So, guys, I'm hanging out with the hottest couple in town, Moji Shotbaba. Whoa, are we hot? Of course you're hot, so rasa manini wewe hot man. You guys are looking very nice. Let me start with Nyawera. How long did it take to choose this outfit? Guy, you know I have a fantastic tale, it's called J.J. Mavazi. He's the best. So he's just giving the concept in 2 seconds, it's ready. He's the guy. Oh, he's the guy. Moji, rate her outfit. Out of what? Out of what? Out of what? Imagine there's no limit, you can't give me a limit. So it's out. There's no limit, it's just a hundred of them. I love it, I love it. Yes, yes, yes. What's the name of the girl? Why do you have no idea? She's a Christmas girl. She's a Christmas girl. She's looking amazing. You look amazing, my wife. Thank you, my husband. Yeah, yeah. Nyawera, you're very unique.  Your MCing skills are 10 over 10. Talk to me about that. I think it's just you do what you had to do. You know you're gifted. There's no doubt about it. I think you just have to put your gift out there for guys to be living it. Like, I think you really got what you do. And I think because of what you do so well, people are inspired by it. So make sure you teach other people as well. Yeah.  I'm not even lying. That's my other side hustle. Oh, pasta. Tabloids. Please say it's not a side hustle. Wata kata apu. Moji, let's talk about, you know, Bensiko and Wanjiru. Yeah. They are killing it in this live recording. Ibuwan bia kitu. My guys are doing an amazing job.  And sometimes, you know, you have these God puts great ideas in small people and they have to step out for them for God to do what he needs to do. You have to walk to the Red Sea for God to part it. And I'm so glad that they worked, you know, they didn't run away from this sea called podcasting and couple podcasting and all that. We are doing it, doing amazing, inspiring people. And as a friend, I cannot be prouder. That's why I support full, full. So me and my house, we support Bensiko and Wanjiru in the endeavor. And onawa. Let's just give them their flowers. One of them is the best. They are the best. Nyawera. What's Moji's favorite color? Favorite color. Nyawera? Amepasa? Your favorite color is black, isn't it? Yeah. Yes. Anakuzawezuri. Um this couple like you know you guys kept it under wraps and then you know you make you made it public has it been easier that way I think it's easier because now there's nothing to hide and yeah we're married i'm serious but I think it's easier because there's no more weird questions or okay who are you no and I think it's easy to do it with moji because even him yeah he's enjoyed it as well so yeah what do you think yeah I think it was good because initially just working on the relationship and foundation but they have worked on it so for us we're working on it and I think staying off and staying private it was idea to focus on working on it without dealing with um a lot of pressure yeah Nyawira you do have a show with Ben yeah how is Ben as a colleague not a friend he's the best you know Ben because you are friends you can have a good conversation he's very good Ben is very thorough what he likes he likes what he doesn't he let you know so that's why I like working with him yeah moji what makes Ben different as a friend I think that's just what she said Ben is very direct Ben is not the kind of guy to he doesn't sugarcoat things so with the good thing with Ben because sometimes I think friends he'll suffer a lot when people are mekuazo and want a feature and you know it piles up it will not pile up with Ben at Awambia and him being an open book and I think legit one of the funniest people I know on planet earth so it will always be a good time with Ben yeah yeah do you think Ben is like a Kevin Hart in denial like no no no no I think Ben is Ben I haven't met anybody with his type of humor Ben is actually very intellectual he's gifted and also I think the thing people don't see about Ben that guys should know about him more is that he's very concerned about the people he's doing life with he'll always call and check up what's going on so I think shout out to Ben he's a one-handed guy all right guys that was moji anyway I'm gonna let them get back to stage not funny challenges politics by a post on yamera anyway pick up pick up SPM bus was it all right thank you so much guys


Hi, what's up internet? Rafael from Hardware Sugar here and today is our last Pwede Mang Tanong Show for 2021. We actually started the show back in October during lockdown and it's actually kind of surreal that we've done more than 12 already. And well, it's still one of our most popular live streams yet. We're still working on getting out more exciting content but, you know, as the pandemic rages on, you guys will have PCs that break and you'll need to know where to go. So here we are, we're here to help you out. Good evening Mark Lewis, good evening to be Rafael, good evening Jaguar. What's going on? Alright, how's everyone doing tonight? Okay. Hello. I met, I met the panelists. Geez. No, I met like, I met the people here. Alright, let's first comment on Anton Sanyan, a role background. He's got that purple light going for himself right now. And he's using a headset which he stole from the shop because, you know. Oh yes, Reven Jan. Reven Jan knows that you have a history of stealing stuff from the shop. Wait, wait, wait. I was going to pay for that. I think I paid for it, didn't I? Yeah, it hasn't been installed yet. It's here. Oh, hold on a second. Wait, wait. Reven Jan is saying, walaong sound si Sir Anton. Wait, proth kong yung talk? Oh, okay, wait. I understand now.  Sorry. That's my bad. Okay, talk. Yeah, there we go, there we go. So as I was saying, 41st episode. Yeah, you know, how many sessions in, I still forget sometimes to turn stuff on. Yeah, it was set to the wrong source. It was picking up my speakers, which by the way, I'll turn off. Well, I was saying that Reven Jan knows that I like to nick things from the shop. And even like that ASOS yung the magnet that came with the ROG PSU. The Gundam PSU. How do you pronounce it? Gundam. Gundam PSU. Gundam. Hey, hey, Casey Boyos and hey, Brian Kua. Yeah, his lips are moving. Well, there's audio now. See, Reven Jan has a question. I got a question. How does a PC do a 42 gigabyte update but can't afford a PUBG DL? That's aimed at me. That's aimed at me. It's easy lang yung pangit lang yung PUBG. Ay, grob it. No, no, Reven Jan actually plays PUBG. Actually, I know, I clocked in easily. I think 200 hours or maybe 400, I forget. It's either 200 or 400 hours in PUBG. I haven't returned to the game yet kasi yan nalatakot ako. Good evening, mga lords. First time HWS Live, you were here. Hi, Paolo Ramos. Okeydokes, I'm going to start off with the first question.  Taawa ba to? Or is this supposed to be bigger? Oh, I remember this question. Fine, this was some a year back. So this was a recent question. But yes, we do get this to me regularly. Like, what do you do if ants get into your monitor? How did we answer this last time? I do remember saying that our uncle actually had the same problem. And we also had the same problem. Yung siya namin natin ay risky. Masyadong risky. Pero pwede niyang i-suction cups yung part na mayroon. Para malaglag nalang yung ants. So hindi niya naman ikita dun sa screen. Pero nandong parin yung sa system. Tapos parang we take a rush talk natin. Bakit kasi matka kumakain? You and everything. Basically, you can risk na isa-suction cup. Kasi yung panel hindi naman siya like complete na panel lang. May layers pa siya. Yung pinaka-outer na layer. Ano yung detached yung dun sa tunay na panel? Pwede mong hataki ng kontin so that magkarol na ng space para malaglag yung corpse. Or car kasi snow. Like rain falling down. Para makupunta dun sa babano screen and hindi dun sa... There's only one solution for ants in a monitor. Get a new monitor? Ants, get the flamethrower. Pwede bag, pwede bag. I don't know, dude. I think it's impossible to remove them safely. Unless you go to the supplier and then have him remove it. Wala, technical yun. At the moment yun, you remove the monitor screen.  Like you're risking the individual pixels. Laila yung nustec. Mark in Ting says, this is relevant to my life right now. Do you have ants in your monitor?  Actually, I never expected. I heard of a single ant in a monitor before and even that was weird. So it's so tempting. You just like... But then now it's stuck there forever. I mean, it's stuck in there. I don't think there is a way for this specific example. There is no way. There is no way that you could... One of them is going to live there forever and die. Look, there's so many. If the ants are alive, so that means they're hanging on with their legs.  One solution is to put it inside a chest freezer, I guess. The chest freezer will fill the ants. So you can put it in your monitor and buy a new one. Hey, it works for hard drives, right?  Of course, you defrost it, pa. I just saw a gag video sa Facebook na parang he had a laptop. The screen needs nya in water. And then nabas nya from... So parang he had a block of ice inside yung laptop and then he called tech support. Parang... So gagon na YouTuber na... Then parang inanan nyo yung tech guy na... But it's frozen. I just need to press escape or something. Parang... I don't know. Actually, just seen in YouTube and Mark on Facebook parang both said they do have ants.  There are ants kasi that are attractive to electronics. Why is that? Yung worm. God ask them. I rocked when the programmer said na it's because it's worm. Ano sila sa worm? Anyway. Sorry, I don't think there's a real practical answer to this.  You're screwed. Pag anon doon ka na sa point na yun parang pedyo... It's a problem. Oh, dude. I mean... No, the deeper says na borax plus sugar from a stator yung. But that deals with the source not kung... like na doon sila sila sa lobe. No, no, no. Actually the borax sugar I've done that before here in the house. That is to... that's ant bait. It's to attract them to that. The borax is coated in sugar so they'll swallow it. Borax is poisonous. The problem with that is they'll go back into the monitor and die there. That would be the problem. But... Actually it might be better just to put a shitload of sugar and then kill them individually and make sure... I mean like if you really want to make bantay, di ba? Let's put like so much sugar outside. Let them all go over there. And then make sure they don't make a run for it back to the base.  Yeah, I guess that would be it. You have to be a super... So rang bobo naman yung ant na, di ka lalabas for that buffet. I mean... Oh yeah, there we go. You probably still have at least one or two ants though. Alright, next question is Rocky the programmer is chatting here. Is this to how it started? Yeah. Antanong niya yung... Between two NVMEs? Yeah, yung ang indifference ng dalawang like saan niya mas okay lagay yung OS niya? Oh, they're both NVME naman, right? So kahit saan mo nalagay yung OS po personally, I'd put the OS doon sa 500GB for convenience and your games are toned sa 1TB. Si Glenn Domingo, kahit po may DRAM yung A2000 at yung NV1 wala sir, okay lang ba na sa 500GB yung OS? True? Sorry, put the OS doon sa A2000. Yung NV1 should be only used as archival storage prone to wear and tear yung DRAM less SSDs. Yeah, parang... yung parang... Ano, yung concern niya talaga. Yung NVME yung isa DRAM less. So, san ko yung lalagay doon yung OS? Generally, yung want yung... yung want yung may DRAM talaga. As in wala... for me yung wala talagang parang winning or redeeming quality yung DRAM less SSDs other than mas cheap sila ng konte. Pero yan ngay, yung tulad nung na sa store ngayon yung team group na MP 34 by yung or MP33, parang nasa 6000 pesos tapos 1TB na yun. So, wala na yung parang hindi na talaga practical. I mean, it doesn't make sense na. To go with a DRAM less option. Yung di DRAM kasi nung SSD yung parang it's a special chip that maps out yung buong contents So, that when kailangan yung mag-access na... Anapin yung ano? Hindi niya kailangan isa scoured yung buong drive mo. Parang, titig na nila lang yung map which is nandun yung asa DRAM na yun. Yung wala ng ganun. Yun, every time that you're going to as in random access na type ng read and write ano siya, titig na niya yung buong drive. So, parang kaya yun. Hindi natin talaga nirerecomend yung ano, mga DRAM less na SSD. I think most... Sir, go ahead Mark. I was just going to say, initially I thought yung cash lang yung... when you ask to get into sasd SSD. Bakalawa yung cash lang yung closer. Then when I saw my two DRAM less options. Wala? Yeah. Why are they still around? I mean, in this day and age actually na na yung, actually mas bago yung DRAM less. So, parang ano lang siya, parang cheaper alternative siya dun sa SSD. Pero niya, pangit. The cash thing that Marvin mentioned, it's a big... Some people, they read about it online. I said, yeah, for SATA SSD. They're like, I want to get the one with the cash. Pero it's actually hard to determine. A lot of manufacturers don't put there kumay cash ba yung SSD. Actually, I remember one comment we got from a costumer. Para na-ini siya sa shop kasi pumasok siya sa shop and then we have the ZOZT 240GB na sabaramura at like 1,700. Then actually he name-checked Gerald. I mean, like this week, I asked the text Gerald kung may cash ba yung and then I think parang di rin ata-alam ni Gerald. So, para na-ini siyung costumer. But to be fair to our tech, it is very difficult to determine kumay cash yung SATA SSDs. I mean, most reviewers have to physically open the drive and check kung nandun physically yung parang component na yun. And then pa bago-bago din sometimes yung initial version meron yung susunod na the versions wala or smaller, yes. So, actually that's why I also put this question kasi just like Marvin Seaking yung naisip po lang datay yung cash for the SATA SSDs. But then you do have to take into consideration the NVMe version but yung parang counterparton sa NVMe whether it's at DRAM or DRAM or not. Although most of the because hardware sugar does sort of trend up parang performance or enthusiast level I think basically all of our NVMe's would already have DRAM. I can't think of any SS NVMe that we carried na wala. Even... Kaya yung SATA SSD may DRAM din karamiyan din meron. Yung nagulat nga ako yung ZOZT, yung chief s natin meron siya. Parang ready naman na anay sa sabihin ko sa sir mula naman to. Pero meron. Agulat ako. Wala ata siyang cash in fairness. Pero may DRAM pero may DRAM ako. Yung ZOZT din na it's cheap but it's good. I mean just need an OS SSD It's very reliable. Actually, ko share ko lang. The only one who's ever flunked na ZOZT na that failed on a customer was Gizmo. Gizmo got a ZOZT SSD for whatever reason parang na pununya parang medyo. But his PC was really giving him problems already. We think it was a bad motherboard. May power spike or something. Just na fried in yung SSD. Thanks for watching from Thailand. Parang with hard disk or storage space. I try to buy the mid-range ones to avoid these problems. So like most of my SSD all of my SSD are Samsung. So I was avoiding all these problems. But apparently right now yung bagong line ng Samsung yung 980 doesn't have DRAM.  Parang they didn't really advertise it but they changed the packaging. That's how you know na it's the new version. Na-irapan daw sila sa shortage. Parang the chip shortage is also striking them. Pinasok daw sa Samsung S21 Ultra yung mga chips na na. Yung 7nm process ang device at the end is around 90% yung ba yung sort yung where they throw up 90% However, there's a problem na with Apple. They just released a statement that demand for their new phone is going down during the Christmas season which is a horrible thing. They told the suppliers to they don't need the extra stock. I wonder why. You start announcing that you're going to peak into people's storage. I wonder why. That was to combat pedophiles. I have nothing to hide in my phone. That's the old way. That's how it starts. Think of the children. Think of the children. We do have a question from YouTube Redsue, may process flow sa pag-build nung PC? Example uun na po bang isipin ko anong CPU depends on budget, the next-year motherboard, next-year GPU, next-year RAM? That's another question we often get a lot and have answered before in the other streams. Basically actually pa-ibay-ibay na yung. Like Rafael likes building around the graphics card. CRJ, who we've had on the show before likes to build around the monitor. Personally, I like to look at ang use case mo kung office nang naman. That really determines what kind of parts you need kung gaming, kailang mas pataas. So there isn't really one step or step one ito muna. And then step two ganun. Although it is quite common to use the use case. You can Rafael ngay yung revolve around the graphics card. So you build around that. Different people will give you different advice. That would be the usual things, either around use case, around one specific component or better on common yung CRJ yung monitor. But again that's more gaming oriented. Gusto niya 1440p at 144Hz or something, then you really need to build specific parts around that. Pwede yung step one budget How much are you willing to spend? Parang yun na rin yung mag-didictate ko ang makukawamong system. That's the real step one. Budget. Pero yung baka isay wala. As in, wala I mean, wala concern So like, what should I get kung budget. Like some of our customers. Like yeah, if budget isn't an option, then wala. I think you start with the GPU, right? And then the CPU. I mean like in the end, kasi you want to have a CPU which matches your GPU. I mean for the most part, no?  Is there a CPU? Is there a scenario in which you would prefer to have a stronger CPU as opposed to a lower graphics card and budget was not an option. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, multi-tasking or ang bawang Actually, pag-gumagawa akong or yun nags-simulate ka hindi mo naman kailangan masyado ng GPU I mean gaming GPU. Parang hang isap pa, like ikokonsider mo rin yun yung CPU kung kailangan mo ng maraming memory like memory throughput yun kaya yun tie-draper si Kath noon niya kasi mayroong siyang di ba may quad channel siya na na DDR4 kaya yun Pero like super niche ng use case na yun. Are servers, di ba? You should be servers. You want something like the draper. You don't need a GPU. Anin, let's take a question from Anastacio Anastacio Anastacio Kalimag Jr. Legit, boo, talaga yung last na upload niyo sir Anton about dun sa AIO ng MSI yung my failure. Legit pa yun. Legit yun. All of the specs I mentioned like we had 14 we sold all of them 7 have come back so that's a 50% failure rate. Tapos nagdag pa dun may mga dumada ting pa sa amin na hindi galing sa amin na beli sa labas, ibang shop pero sa amin dinadala at batang in it. We had one just very quickly. So it's not just it's a common problem we see with that particular product yung MSI kaya as I mentioned in the video it's the first time we've come out with the do not buy advice na medyo because it looks good the aesthetics look good performance naman when it's working is good and yung price naman okay naman mga around 5,000 pero yun nga kung di mo maasahan as bilan na lang magka fail siya after 6 to 7 months that's not that's not something you want happening to your CPU and we've had customers na sos obarang init na CPU magshot down na lang yung nga dun sa video naka 5% load sa CPU 91 degrees yung temperature so we had a customer return his entire rig kasi na buisit na siya dun sa overheating that was a real pain in the ass that was before we understood that was really a problem with the AIO kasi yung tricky pa dun at first gaga na pa siya like when we were testing it but then yung nga ayaw din na so yes long story short that is that's all backed up by the data that we've seen in the shop and things like that so I really would not recommend buying that particular AIO the core liquid 240R but the box looks so nice even the AIO yeah iniisip namin ni Jane na naminala sa tangta ayaw nang ako tayo nang bad na bad yung bad bad parang ano pala talaga siya we've gotten from other we've gotten from other shops also na yun and then kasi may just paste out yung orders natin do ni it's not like we just bought all 14 in one go it was like we got them also in bundt okay so and I think yeah I think it's a I don't know it's a design thing or something yun nga the next time we get one buksa natin kunwari kunwari may alam tayo pampin pampin dun sa na sa rad din pampin rad although we we have had comment saying na they had the same problem hindi siya naka cool but when they added new liquid drained the current liquid may parang sediment lang sa loob and then they clean that output new liquid in okay na siya but better like med that point parang nabdefeat na yung purpose ng AI o na old one hindi siya close loop pa ano na yung parang na custom water loop ka na chaka I doubt that it's our problem kasi all of the replacements have been new so we give them we send them all back to our supplier tas yung binabalik sa amin bago so pero kung maayos nila yun aayos yun nila yun di ba kasi yung of course ayo din nila na maglabas ng bago as much as possible but all of the seven that we sent they've all come back na bago like seal talaga in everything that it has brought yeah and as sufficient severe na problem na hindi pwede replay hindi lang pwede repair kailangan talaga bago replacement so yeah but when the next one comes in maybe we'll open one up and see okay naman yeah oh shit no volume fuck thanks Revan Jan thanks thanks guys sorry no one heard what the hell I was saying so oh yeah a shout out to Basti Gomez Musa na Manchina Rosa's branch and yeah we're doing good there um during the weekend it's really the parking is there's a lot of parking so you're good to go there kasi the whole building is essentially closed except for us on the weekends so go ahead and head over there one thing I want to say if anyone from the building admin is watching the show is that the security staff very accommodating and really no problem everyone is treating us very homishly over there yeah thank you kaya lester siya ba yung sa sa desk yung sa front yung sa may gate sa gate oh yeah actually all done pretty pretty nice peeps bro you said something siya ba yung sa front desk but no I actually got the name of the guy from the front desk I wrote it on my phone I'll pull it out later that way yung may Q Q naman tayo like I feel bad for I mean I don't feel bad but the guy downstairs is always making bantay sa parking it's always it's always laughing because every time I'm there I'm just carrying up heavy shit like kanina I carried up the charcoon the other day I was carrying up all the camera gear and then your light the light oh you got the light no I brought it I brought it there I didn't take it with me no yeah it's in the shop the amaran yeah yeah yeah I think I think you should leave it in the shop yeah no it's really yeah it's heavy dude and I don't know how to like I also want to assemble the softbox but it's so much trouble to collapse it again so I'm like to help with that we're just leaving it open the entire time but I like that light this is the amaran siya niyan Jojo Clemen good evening sirs paghumina kabaghumina ang oh tumigil yung ikot ng rear fan or front fans ano kayang sera kahit nilisan nilinisan ko na po yung buong system unit sa alikabok na nyari pa rin po siya sana masagot po thanks front fan like case fan paghumina o tumigil yung ikot ng rear fan or front fan so I guess case fans kahit nilisan ko na po so I think what you call bakal loose wire that usually happens like sometimes like if you don't do actually that's why cable manager is very important because if you not do cable manager at well sometimes what happens is the wire gets caught in the fan blade and then the wire gets pulled so it's no longer connected to the power supply that's happened to me like many times or may talaga nakasingit wire in between that also happened to me so even though it's getting power supply it doesn't have enough traction to remove that wire but parang if you've cleaned it already kasi ebe sa tanong mo you've cleaned it baka yung problema ay yung hindi siya naka sak-sak na mabuti sa power supply unit I advise you unplug and re-plug all the fan ports there siya siya kaya yung headers ah, yeah, headers naka sa PWM madaling mabunot yun ebe nabildo ako ebe nabildo ako for a customer sabunot ko nabunot ko siya turn off turn off programers audio ebe mute na ebe pero yun na madali siya nga tanggali madali naman yun hindi ba what you call hindi ba what you call that everyone's experience with fan headers is there very delicate kaya or is that or is that the RGB headers ARGB and RARGB headers I think parehaw parehaw mas delicate mas delicate ng ayaw yung PWM parein yun naman siya good fan curve I mean there is no fan curve for fans that go to zero ano lang yun PSU lang yun 30% yung minimum hindi ya pa di sabihin I don't think his eyes are passing up to say ay next load down yung fan nah, you know what this reminds me of this reminds me of that time when hindi kalao ng windows pero saan ko hukuan ng legit windows damig options damig prices ako nito gudi na lang may CD key o first dot ko madali lang ng order search for the software you need add to cart daan ka sa payment options nila wala apang 5 minutes finished may legit working CD key ka na para sa windows mo gamitan lang awing ko para makakuhapan ng discounts kaya kung nagahalap ka ng legit mura at original software check out CD key o first dot ko late na tong ano I don't know what any of you guys are talking about I just you know it was a sudden lapse in consciousness so where were we at again right wait we were looking at paulo ramos's question is Ryzen 5 5600X a goodbye for 2022 if palitan ko na yung 3400G ko and add ng graphics card di pa kaya ng powers di pa kaya ng powers ko yung mga 12 gen intel would mean palit lahat components kasi yung 5600X yun nga 6 core 12 threads tapas mas mataas yung core clock niya tapas may support siya for PCI eGen 4 so yun if meron kang mother board na kaya yung mga features na yun niya ok siyang ano ok siyang upgrade pero kung eCPU lang papalitan mo ayun ano mo na yung mother board mo actually in general the 5600X is the go to gaming that we recommend now kasi the 5800X yun nga does have more cores but for gaming you don't really need all of the cores for the mid range and even slightly higher end gaming deep computers like if you ask us at your recommendation namin usually we stick in the 5600X and then the GPU that you can most afford from 3060, 3070 onwards so yun it is a good upgrade especially from the 3400G but yun nga depend na budget mo anong malagay mo yung GPU to pair with the 5600X kasi yun karami mga GPU yun Gen 4 as we know from all of the bios that we have to set to PCI-3 kasi nang kaka-problema nagahang just a shout out to vilya hermosa about the fans I just wanted to mention that Katima might also be right na baka sira talaga like it's a motor thing that's also possible especially if it's a cheap case fan like you know actually you know one thing that I never upgraded among you know like there was a time when I got a new PC but I didn't upgrade something and that was the PC case like I used the same PC case for maybe close to 10 years which by the way you can still see that PC case in the store right now it's the black one that ROX uses and so yeah some of those fans weren't working for like forever but then kasi I think like I realized the reason as to why I didn't upgrade that is because I thought that PC case hindi naman importante yan I mean you know kasi importante yung graphics card yung CPU I can save some cash on PC cases but now I'm like no man like if it's been longer than 7 years you change that case like my case fans were like they had like red lights that's it wala pang RGB nung time niyan and I was satisfied na but anyway let's take a question from the slides Glen Domingo anyone who is using a ViewSonic XG2405 may I ask which is the advisable cable is it HDMI or a display port hope you can explain why this is actually a very niyan simple enough question and answer always get this playport that's the number one rule always get this playport and the reason as to why always get this playport is because it's usually no it will give you the fastest refresh rate and the best quality between your monitor and your graphics card on HDMI will however there are I believe is there a difference though if for instance the monitor is 60Hz in both is there a benefit for using a display port over HDMI may run pero ito kasing particular na monitor na to 1080p lang so there HDMI or display port parayong silang parayong silang 144Hz and yet ha 4amd pag-invindya pag-invindya jata display port lang yung kaya mag-144 for this particular model na you're saying that if you have an HDMI cable the monitor can go 144Hz yeah HDMI 2.0 there are some there are some yeah yung modern na na like if you get a monitor from like five years ago or like oh maanan na siya de what I have right now is my Samsung ultra-wide is it's around that four or five years ago the maximum refresh rate is 60 but if I use an HDMI it's 50 like it hindi lalampas ng 50 like I need a display port for 60 kasi kasi yun niya yung x something parang gaming monitor siya so ah yun usually kapag ano naman siya um advertay siya na 144Hz either HDMI or DP kaya yung speed bisabi inspect siya to use either cable okay so the next question there is anong classic HDMI cable yan yun yun yun pwede ka mo kumunta dun sa ace hardware at true value tapos yun na lang actually the cables that they sell there are kind of expensive the ones with the true value oh pero di yun ace tigo pero yun anong you prefer true value over ace yun mas ako kaya parang mas ano siya do mas ace kasi SM siya na parang SM siya true value true value yun yun true value yun sa ace may electric bandun 3000 parang sobrang mahal na dun yun pinakamurang electric yun 10,000 pesos ha yun yun V something V fan that's the fan that in yun grade na dun sa floor fan siya yeah it's just pointing up yeah oh 10,000 pesos well actually intense din yun yun yun buttons niyan pero grab it din yun 10,000 ay loader dipper loader dipper loader dipper yun vid nga yun in terms of questions zero knowledge po kasi sa components so far yeah this is a new friendly stream today we have like basic questions well actually you know what in fairness this is not really a basic question kasi it'll be like oh what's the oh what number one what's an HDMI and what's a display port na I mean if you want to be super basic like they're physically different the HDMI and display port parang HDMI is old tech and display port is just new tech is that safe to say parang ang difference ang din talaga nila yung HDMI may audio pwede ka mag pastro ng audio and then actually all of that is any overtaken by USB-C yeah pero kuntiyo pala yung support yeah for USB-C next question is ano po kaya problema ng PC ko bagong build lang I mean I make it big bagong build lang po kasi yung PC ko nung mag-install lang ng OS nag-freeze sa boot logo sinubukan ko na po either HDD or SST pero same parin po sinubukan din po gumamit ng HDD na merong working at installed na OS pero nag-freeze parin sana po matutlungan nyo ako salamat po specs Ryzen 5, 5600X MSI B550 Bazooka RTX 2060 16GB dual DDR4 300Mhz 1TB HDD DDR650W actually this is a very good rig I mean this is a decent rig these are the kind of rigs that I think hardware sugar likes to sell because it's a mid-range budget PC I know like 2 years ago it'll be like 2060 budget yan but like right now it's mid-range at mid-range and parang it's it's more economical it's actually even at processors actually actually this is a bit medyo mid-high range but like not super high range so good specs I would understand why this guy would be pissed na it's not working let's start off Marv what's your take on this? I'm just gonna say 550M device I don't recall if it's one of the 450M parang na we sell that we sell that we sell that is it anong I'll set up date and driver out of the box nor do you guys still need to update when you do your builds? kailangan pa kailangan pa so baka you'd be able to update baka you'd be able to update 566 ay driver tulay bias pa na bias baka yun? bias or would you even get OS installation kung virus issue baka you'd be able to boot logo ebi basically parang di siya nagpupostin so yun yun yun yun first na hinala ko rin kailangan niya i-update yun bias pero yun kaya ang hirap kasi yun ang pagyan yun kailangan mo ng CPU na kumpatiboy mo na sa kain parang kami ni Jay siya kami ni Gerald parang sanay na sanay na kami simple lang yun kailangan ko lang yun CPU parang yun suddenly remember na wait hindi yun hindi yun common plays na may rungang extra na CPU you have an extra CPU extra graphics card actually sometimes sometimes I'm really desperate like it was a monitor problem hey do you have a spare monitor wala yun okay that's true naman wait rockin the programmer froze freeze oh no he's gone I mean there he's back he's back there he's back there we go alright actually that used to happen before in the early days of the shop we would need a bias update tapos wala tayong old old generation CPU asa yun I mean we had to forget exactly how we did it parang mas na nakahanap kami nung like first gen rise in or something so yeah asa yun it's good now that we have extras from the previous gen and then hopefully tuloy-tuloy na like Intel actually in fairness we were able to get from ASOS actually sent us over at Intel 10th gen so at least you know before so at least now we have Intel 10th gen then the rise in naman we have second and third gen so skip the four and then the five is the latest so medyo at least may may backup na tayo of old old generation dati nga hasil wala talaga see moniker shout out he gave an answer to this sa PM forum moniker yes actually remember this is from the forum and yes I think the answer became he changed the RAM for this particular problem so pinalista na yung RAM and then guman na na so again it's it's really trial and error biode update changed nung RAM di pa siya kasi nagbabutin di pa siya umabot sa OS portion so either paminsan GPU RAM kaya magadami indicator sa motherboard sometimes those are useful although sometimes mali din yung debugging lighting paminsan wala lang issue yung GPU tapos pero mag paflash na GPU or something so sometimes good sometimes not so helpful pero ya it's really trial and error especially at this stage na di pa siya umabot sa boot ah I'm done okay so next question okay from Dither Dorado sir, nakag-generic PSU 700W and I'm curious kung kakayanin ba ni PSU ang PC ko Intel Core i73770K and Asterox Z77 Extreme 4 GPU 1050 Ti I'm just going to skip to the 1050 Ti because it's the CPU and the GPU which matters the most then plan it to buy three chassis fans and a CPU cooler I think 700W will be more than ya more than okay for this like 550W snap wala din na na pa or 450W ya pero generic well ya ya but he's asking kasi he's asking na man niyan about the wattage the audience he's asking about the wattage like wattage I think 450W kaya na to 1050T ya I think 450W you're okay na ya ang save pa rang 550 ya 550 sweet spot ya ya ano pa yung CPU ya so niyan Dither the case fans and the CPU they won't really do much in terms of like wattage it's really your graphics card and your processor and the 1050 Ti niyan it's been on the older side so it doesn't demand as much but kaya ya right na hindi yung wattage yung problem as moniker pointed out 700W no problem generic big problem ya just it's not that hindi lang naman siya hindi lang siya efficient na minsan hindi siya 700W it's like sometimes it works sometimes it fries your system so do you risk it parang alo yung ya ya so sugal siya sugal we shouldn't I should put I should put like a a sound effect dito sa niyan sa stream deko like every time someone asks about like generic power supply I'll play the bomb has been planted you know it's a CS which by the way if you guys don't know that little tidbit every voice that you hear those are that's recorded by makers of the game like they themselves we're like oh the bomb has been planted already call that terrorists win that's them even the grenade explosions and stuff like ha ha ha ha ha ha like since we're talking about CS yung mga barrel sa CS Even though right handed siya. Lat sila mirrored. Huh? Lat sila mirrored. Because they want to show the animation of reloading. So ba mo may AK ka. Yung reload, like yung pangkasan ng AK, nandito sa side na to. Yung AK na totoo, dito sa kabila. So lahat ng guns, lahat ng rifles, mirrored. So lahat ng casing, Right hand. Ya, right hand. Ya, di ba? Pagpapunta sa yung. You're talking about the option to be left handed, ba? In the game. No, no, no. Lahat ng barrel. Lahat ng barrel. Right handed, mirrored. So that you can see the reload. Oh! Okay, okay, okay, I get it. Oh, that's interesting. God, you know, I guess we just didn't give, we just didn't care back then. On those kind of things. Geez. Kasi tayo di na tamaan nung casing, nung mga pangkas, kasi na pangkasin. Si Indian, si Katima Gaming says he played left handed in CSGO. I could not, you know what, I remember playing sa mga comp shops na, someone left, you know, the character left handed. I hated it so much. Like, I kept telling myself na, I shouldn't really care. Kasi it's the same thing naman e. But then there was something so wrong with it. I was so distracted. I didn't know how to remove it. How do you switch to left handed? But you need to go into the prompt and type something e. Ask Marv, ask Marv. Marv, ano yung code? Ano yung code yun? Because of the hegemony of the right handed. Nasaan e na lang ako mag-right handed. Mag-right handed. Wait, nasaan e ka even with the right hand like visually. Like, wouldn't have bothered you. Wait, so ngayon, if you switch now to left handed visually in the game. It bothers me. It bothers you na. Even though it shouldn't. Even though if we, when we played, when we did airsoft, I would use on the left hand niba. Pero when I play, it bothers me if I switch it to the left hand. Okay. That was good. You're the best of both worlds niba. You're left handed, but you're dipping into the right handed world. Brainwash. Man. Unrelated to all of this. I remember when I took the upcat, the only way for them to get, probably needed a small portion of people to go in first to help them sort where, sort them how people should, how the students should be seated. And so the proctor was like, okay, lahat na mga left handed.  That was like only like eight left handed people went in. It was like, damn. We're special. Yeah, we're special. All right. Next question. Oh wait, sorry. Let me answer this question. Yeah. So it's dangerous to use a generic PSU. You know, here's some tips like a generic PSU might make number one, might blow up your PC. Number two, it might not be efficient. So actually you end up paying more on a moral co-bill. So actually it might be cheaper in the long run. Just get a proper PSU. Like with a proper one yun. Oh, ants in your monitors. How many Alex? Hoy, I remember playing CSGO and the ant resident in front of the mini-map. Bothered me so much. Pass it. Pass it again. Dabi naman ni Revejan. I hate left handed people specifically in base. Basketball. All right. So there we go. Next question is from Cellrack. I have a slow PC po. Yeah, I know what that's like. My processor is Intel Core i5-650 for gigabyte RAM. If mag-upgrade po ba ako sa 16 gigabytes RAM will my gaming FPS improve? Sana mapapansin. So there we go. Now let's start rocking the programmer. No. Yun. Yun na yun. Yung ay parang yun roll of thumb parang ano lang. Yun general lang na ano. Kung pag-inincrease, bawang paano ba sa sabihin? So pag-inincrease mo yung RAM because I dare be caught. Hindi dahil mababa yung FPS mo sa games. Hindi dahil merong startering na nangyayari. So iba kasi yung low FPS versus may startering. So you can have an average of let's say 70 FPS. That's decent, di ba? Pero like yung from time to time big-last yung mag-de-dip to 18. Asin yun sobrang spike lang na pababa. Yun ibig sabihin yun. Nagkukulang yung resources yun sa RAM. So parang kukunin yun yun sa SSD mo which is much, much slower than your RAM. Kaya nag-fifreeze yung game pero momentary lang. Yun yun lang yung only scenario where or scenario yun nga na increasing yung RAM would be beneficial sa games. Ayun. Pero parang feeling ko yun yung problem niya. Siguro problem niya yun na nag-30 FPS sa games. Kasi nga yun. Battleneck na battleneck na yung ano niya. High-five yun. Kaya yun. Kaya yun. Hindi yung RAM yung sagot. I mean, Hindi more RAM yung sagot. Better CPU. Better processor. Yeah. Anyone else? I have this question in kasi we do get questions even on the high end like, you know, I'm a gamer. Do I need 32 GB? So generally, we just recommend 16 especially for gaming. We only recommend 32 or more pag editing. Although streaming when we're multi-tasking involved. Although we do have a customer that swears na he saw better improved game performance with 32 GB. Most of the YouTubers kasi if you look at the reviews of linos and things like that, you know, going up to 32 GB doesn't really matter for gaming. I mean, there is like a nominal improvement like maybe 2 FPS or something but very slight. But this customer does game quite a lot and he's also quite knowledgeable about computers. So it's always in the back of my mind like when I recommend 16 for gaming okay na yung nito go about 32 pero yung nga in the experience of one customer at least someone who actively gamed quite a lot. Parang may significant I mean, there's a perceptible improvement that he felt when he used 32 GB for gaming. Although that said yung nga it's in cases where it's nice like, you know, you have the budget for 32, maganda na yung GPU mo that's basically damage see who's behind me because I saw marketing faking May nagaganan ay may nagaganan na yung It's 30 minutes pa yung 30 minutes pa yung 30 minutes pa yung so I mean, in situations where money is a consideration definitely upgrade first the GPU for gaming then maybe the CPU and medyo last na yung RAM but in cases na yung GPU mo maganda na CPU mo it's always been the back of my mind yung nga parang maglumas mo ganda na yung 32 again it's I mean the boat where like I'm only at 12 because I have 4 and 8 and they're DDR3 so it's not like it's not like I've even experienced 16 GB but yung from a power user he really felt now the difference jumping from 16 to 32 but Bahasa super gamer siya na parang 3 FPS is like 10 FPS then he can see can tell the difference um he he's graduate into gaming so baka na again mag stream siya tapos may discord na ah mag stream nga siya tapos raming tabs yung Chrome sa pangalaman yung screen yun asin mag mag make na difference yun kung maraming maraming kang RAM pero like yung course pure na gaming yung gaming pero siguro yung can argue na when you say gaming kasama na rin yung yung coms yung yung no who plays like that who plays like that he's dreaming tell you actually a lot of people were applying to that wait i didn't see the SRAM improved gaming performance question na i mean there were sorry there were some good questions while we were talking about the taxi what sorry i didn't want to shout out to Revin Jan sorry we are waiting for your UPS to come back we have sent it back to the supplier we did confirm that the battery was na i think it was a battery but so we were testing it and then it failed nya so we mayutang tayo kay Revin Jan na UPS UPS ya we got some protect UPS ano yung nga kailangan rin hata natin sa store kasi di ba update tayo update tayo oh di na kailangan yun oh di na kailangan yun siya niyan si Alex would be doing sa moneyin some cable managing for the team in the shop tomorrow we actually had a question in YouTube just a couple of chat questions ago na if it's a flash bios update does that mean di na pwede yung mobo but i think it's still breakable i think it's still possible to break it flash just means you don't need the CPU i mean right the old CPU yun maggo go through pa rin yung dung process nung di na mga kasi instantaneous yun it still goes for the USB ya pero yun kaya yun din yung advantage yung mga high end the motherboard kasi kada kada lasan do sa kanila nakadual na bio sila so like if you break one may kapang may kapang isang may kapang ibe break bago ka bago ko malungkot we have a very good question let's start off with Marv what's your Marv what's your answer to this what's your biggest PC purchase regret let's go not buying the 3070 before the before it's spiked ah no well wait wait you had an opportunity to buy the 3070 at retail no before it's spiked not about retail pero before it went on retail went 50k ya i think it's around 40 now i was stupid i thought na COVID is ending so like go back to normal go back to normal 51k pa na yung 3070 and that's the LHR that's the LHR sorry sorry so i don't like that count it's a non purchase but pretty much ya because the extent of research i do too before i buy a single part it pretty much reduces the chances for regret so yun yung yung pinakaregret so not buying the 3070 i can't rockin a programmer what's your what's your biggest PC regret ako dalaway dun sa server na min yung nag-opt nag-opt ako na bumilin na lang ng non-ecc na na RAM na puro one hand total siya ng parang 256GB na RAM na non-ecc tapos nung niran namin yung like yung mga initial na na niran namin yun dun asin kailang ko pala nung e-c-c ya yun number two eto yung envision ko na monitor ah ah ya ya you got envision nga wait envision or HK HK no envision alam ko maganda daw yung HK yung envision grave asin time to time laag yung like ginaganong ko yung monitor ko kasi may yung mga specs ng parang dead pixel pero ayun actually you know the envision I think they phrased that I think they sabi ni IQ is envision yan paps but yung you know actually you know on first glance like if you see the name tapos you see the product on the Zada and Shope makang makayos yung anin I think envidye I think that's what they were trying to go for di ba or is that just me I've always thought oh ok envidyes making monitors na like if you know if you don't think too hard about it envision envidye do the same thing tapos yung kasi ano siya 9k 9,000 pesos 27 inch 165 hertz I know I know the specs pero alam pero yun like um for everything else kung wala lang yung non charge na pixels na yun maganda siya ok siya pero yun ya yun ok ang bumili envision alright guys bottom line ay kaw naman anton what's your actually I don't know if this even qualifies for you because you haven't bought anything I have I have no regret man ok that's the right answer miss kipisi ah wait I think the only one that you definitely regret which I don't know if you really regret I don't know if you kind of regret is that anin that headset that you had and you made a review of it and sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya sya 15k wasn't it or something. It was like 12 or something. I'm gonna I'm gonna send it back to the supplier. Wait, when did it when did it fail? That's to the year. That's to the year. How does it fail? What's it what's it doing? Why would why wouldn't it fail? I know. And you think na masaya kasi you can monitor everything. Magaday UI niya and stuff. Pero may more automated UI optimization. Pero once like like we were having bad internet, but kung sinaksa ko directly into my computer, okay naman. So it was really the router. But now actually with the Zen Wi-Fi, which ASUS let us keep, thank ASUS. They're pretty good now. But yes, those are my two because I did buy both of those, the Google Wi-Fi and the ubiquity dream machine. Wow, you're so unlucky with that, man. I never had that problem. Well, I mean, my problem with the ubiquity is it's complicated to set up sometimes. But then once it's set up, it's okay naman.  They're not the dream machine. Yeah, they're the access point. Hell, you know, I'm just using the Sky Cable's Cheapass router. Okay ko sir, Raki ano. I thought about this. Let me see. What are my biggest regrets? UNZ XT na kais na. No, no way. Maybe if my mobile really does melt. I'm too scared then. My before picture ako, like I took that picture and like, I don't know, like five weeks, maybe month and a half ago. So when I last said it to you and now I'm scared to open to see if it's melting in there. But so far, I don't know, any regrets ko dito. Actually, that's a good question. Parang I have zero regrets. Anong kasama yan dun sa video yung tough rigs na hindi nyo paginagawa pa rin. Oh, yeah, yeah. I owe, I owe, I owe. That is on my to-do list actually. That's the next one up. So don't worry, we're going to get to that. Actually, I'm shooting mine not tomorrow, I'm shooting mine tomorrow. I upload ko sa frame. I just realized what I want to regret. Like, ako, I guess my biggest problem would be the headset kasi pangit yung mic. But then parang I can't really complain about the mic so much. And you know, it's surviving. Mice or fine. In fact, I think the one who had the little leatherette at the gaming chair. Well, yeah, but that was like a long time ago. Yeah, I guess the game. I didn't buy an own leatherette gaming chair. I own a leatherette office chair na super comfortable. Like, you sit in it.  And it's like, oh my god. Then after that, began peening after a year. I guess, I guess, chair nga. That's the only thing. So everything else is pretty good. I'm surprised kaya.  But then even my razor mouse lasted like a year and a half. So I can't complain too much. Si Anton, si Anton talaga grave. You bought the razor mamba wireless and you bought it twice. Yeah, I bought it twice. You bought it twice and it broke twice. Yeah, yeah. That's horrible. I mean, that mamba was like the premium of the premium razor mice at the time that it was released. And it even came in this nice glass case which I can't believe you tinapan mo lang. Anton believes in second chances. Hindi na ito tech related. I didn't say it was tech related or not. But actually, on mice. Tirana rin to eh, the clicker. It's always the left clicker. What is that? I need the G602 logitech mouse. But that logitech mouse is also five years old. Ah, no. Going back to Marvin's point, this is actually my second logitech G602. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, yes. So I need to replace this one. So I need to ask our suppliers what's available. But I need to be wireless for my mice. The left clicker is the first one. I mean, it's the most used one. Always, right? But it's not like I go crazy with the left clicker.  Teray na yung blowing into it yung... Ano, does that work? Yeah, yeah. Temporarily. At co-work siya three days. Wait, wait. That sounds like a Nintendo cartridge trick. Are you sure? Yeah, yeah. I'll do it upstream para I don't look silly. Pero susubukan ko. And then count how many days. Actually, I have also one regret and that is that I didn't get my product key from. So I need windows. Pero, where can I get windows? Daming options, daming prices. Ah, kalito. Goode na lang. May cdkeyovers.com. Wadalilo ang order. Search for the software you need at the cart. Daan ka sa payment options nila. Wala apag 5 minutes. Finished. May legit, working cdk na para sa windows mo. Gami din lang awing code para makakuhapan ng discounts. Kaya kung nagahalap ka ng legit, mura at original software. Check out cdkeyovers.com Better ba? Better, guys? Better. Atin mo, gaming, hasa sa suggestion. Placing at timer sa mga. We did actually have a timer in our earlier streams. Yeah, but we just got lazy again to keep doing it. All right. Next question. Oh, 9.50. So I did want to address, or just shout out to top secret communication. He was saying he wanted to message us on Facebook regarding a build in win shopping with APU, I think, pero na yasha. No need to feel shy. Feel free to message us anytime. We did actually have the shopping, but it's out of, we don't have it right now. Although, like if you want super small like the shopping, we still have the T150, na lian d din. It comes with a handle. That one is really like tiny, even compared to some of the other ITX cases that we have. But yeah, no need to feel shy. A lot of people are not shy. Believe me, we get a lot of messages. So feel free to message us anytime. We'll set you up right. This stream is built on non shy people. Acero Alma keeps asking when are you guys selling lube. I don't know if that's in the, I don't know if that's part of the cross section of products that we would use in the shop. For keyboards? For keyboards? I hope, I hope for keyboards. Maga pa eh, nito 11pm stream. But yeah, I think, siguro naman for custom keyboards. Hindi pa niya. Hindi pa don't swim. Hindi pa don't swim. Hindi pa. Keyboard daw. Keyboard daw. Why would you think? Keyboard. Keyboard. Keyboards lube. Para mani daw. I don't know. To be honest, I'm not very knowledgeable about custom keyboards. But Rocky the programmer is super into it. RJ, RJ is as well.  Righto. Alright, our next question is Jovan De Vera. Habit, habit. Ilang watt ba ang kelangan para sa good PSU? Alright. So the short answer here is it's not about the wattage. It's about the 80 plus rating. And what do you need it for? Again, what your PC is? Or what's your mining ring? And that's my game. Yeah, what your PC is? Sorry, I'm replying to somebody in chat. I recall that. So, I don't know when I was still answering most of the chat before, I would always check the wattage on this website, PC Parts Picker.  But then a lot of people kept telling me that it undersupplied. That, PC Parts Picker was saying that those parts needed less wattage than it should. I don't know how true that is because if PC Parts Picker seems to be a reputable site, but you can go to PC Parts Picker. In fact, PC Parts Picker is not just for the wattage. It's also to see compatibility. Which is really handy. It even tells you if the mobile needs to be flashed beforehand based on the CPU. It doesn't account for everything like case sizes, compatibility between sizes. It doesn't account for that all the time. But for the most part, the basics, it will tell you if it's compatible or not. Sometimes it even says na the, you call it this, mobile is not compatible with this CPU. Which is very important because sometimes what people do is they get their, they get a PC na sobrang ganda sa internet and then after that they're like, ah okay, hindi available yung sang part na to so I'll just swap it with whatever and then well, you know, that swap might be fatal and so the cheapest and easiest way is just to use PC Parts Picker. Just do a preliminary. Like that's not the final check, but it's a pretty good check. Okay, next question. If you want a general advice, usually 750 watts for any build now, even the high-end builds is pretty okay na. Of course, well, excepting 650 watts na lang. Over-killing 750. Yeah, 750 is over-killed. I always like putting 750 for allowance. Like you don't have to upgrade the GPU or something. I notice, Gerald in the shop is the same way. But yeah, generally 650, 750, although personally I would always just go for 750. 750 for future for Sabineek. Habits really hard. Yeah, exactly. Habits really hard. Yeah, para you never know baka yung 4,000 series in the future. I like customers who be like, I want a 1,000 watts because money's not a problem. Yeah, give me 1,000 watts.  Pina kong madaki na lang. Sometimes. More is better. More is better, even though over-killed na. Alright, you want. Apparently, kaya ito. But I don't recommend it because Jesus, like, I don't know why, but pangat yung power supply units. Like, even ang toon had to replace his power supply unit. But after how long? Tagal na yung Corsair RM for 350X. Five years? And then yeah, maybe. But maybe slightly naman four years. Yeah, me, I go like maybe three to five years at that time. Sabinee Marvin na maybe I'm doing wrong here. But yeah, kaya nga. May mga nga iksa sabihan na hindi naging hindi naging obsolete yung PSU. Pwede. Pwede nga maging obsolete kasi hindi natin alam ko nang magiging next na standards ng motherboard. Like, like, like, ang maximum zero. Z690. May extra siya na 8 pin. So, para saan ba yun? And GPUs the 3,000 series was supposed to come out with that weird 12 pins yun 12 pins yun. And only the founders edition came out with the 12 pin. The rest kept the the old 8 pin once. Yeah. So, yun nga, chay ibarin parang ngayong common place na yung Tatlo yung PCIE na, ano diba. Grabe naman. Yeah, hello. Common place na yun 3080 3080 hanggang pataas. Ah. Yun. So, diba, paano. And I think Intel was monkeying around although they backtracked on a new standard. Yeah, on a new standard. Yeah. Yeah, so it's true. I mean just to go to the point it is true. You never know what the connectors will be like in the future. Although, there is a lot of inertia for the existing ones. People always get upset when we're like, oh, may bago. And like, no, kasi yun nga, paano yung nasanin na tayo sa 24 pin and whatnot. Dapat may, may distinct advantage, like USB-C diba. I mean, no, that has a distinct advantage. I mean, the phone slipping around think everybody was at one with that, diba. I think Intel was making a case that their purple standard may advantage. I don't honestly recall what it was supposed to maybe not that big a deal. All right. Our next question is from Kadyo. Sir, ask ko lang po ano ang pinakamataas na GPU na kaya ng Intel i3 2nd Gen. Salamat po. 3090. Kasi wala ano ang kasing you taking the question literally, ha? Salamat. I mean, it is true. Most modern GPUs are compatible with most modern systems. Yung stumbling block lang kung PCI pa yung GPU instead of PCI-E, but, you know, those are really ancient. So malamang any GPU you can get will be compatible with your current system. It really depends nga on your budget. Get the best that you can afford, especially for GPUs. It's hard to have a rule of thumb in PC building because there's always an exception, but one really usually clear rule of thumb is for GPUs get the best that you can afford then, you know, it'll hopefully last you for a long time depending on what you get. What do you call it? Janos, Ian Del Rosario. Hi there. Just want to ask what is a perfect monitor for me? I'm a junior architect who works a lot on 3D renderings. Thank you so much in advance. I think what do you call it? We want specialists. There's a special monitor for well, for content creators as well as for architecture. I don't know. It's color important. It's color important. Yeah, yeah. I was going to argue na parang di naman ganun ka important ang color accuracy for architects. Yeah, so I guess it's all right. I take it back then. I take it back.  But as an architect, I think what's more important there is bigger screen. Don't skim on screen. It's okay if your refresh rate is 60. And there are a lot of like that. And parang for a professional in general, have at least two monitors. So try go for 27 inch as your first monitor. And then you can upgrade later by getting another 27 inch or even a smaller monitor. But minimum for a professional, 27 inch na talaga. There's no going back. Like 27 inch ako and I was like, wow, it's so big.  And then after that, when I went down to 32, which I am now, I was like, oh, those two inches make a difference. Like you'd think that it wouldn't, but yeah, it does. So yeah, parang ngayon, it's more on productivity, space wise. Yes, it doesn't mean he should get one that's so bad at the color accuracy, right? I mean, he might not need specifically for professional color accuracy, but like if you, if you tend to eyeball a sample set by your client, oh, I want, I want the design to be like this. That's a good point. Right. You sort of still need a general idea. I mean, some clients don't say I want the serial number XYZ model for Actually, I'd be curious. Is there like have you ever seen a monitor na? You could say, wow, that color accuracy is garbage.   Yung mga niriglizer ni sir Anton na nag-pupup, daw, yung colors. Tapos ang ganda ang vibrant, da, those are yeah, those are highly inaccurate bonnutenors. Saturation, color saturation, go say. Yeah, sa obrang kalinginon like, especially na sa like print industry come for example. Buwog, They look really good. Sa ano? Media consum? For, ano. Pero kung pamprofessional wala, masistira ka.  Ah, sorry, go ahead. Go ahead and rock. Yung ano natin, yung billboard natin. Yung billboard natin sa... Oh, yeah! Oh, what about it? The poster. Yeah, andaming, andaming, andaming... Kinanakit ni Rendon. Kasi siya to really, talagang mag-adjust siya. Kasi yung... The file type now eh. It was a file type that you need to change too. Oh, yeah.  I couldn't also understand. Like, why can't we use this file type to print? And they're like, sir, kasi... The printer can't print this file type. So we can convert it. And the color converted. Grabe, the purple. Yeah, I was like, oh, this is not purple anymore. I was like, damn. Naghanop kami no, naghanop kami no mga pantoon na, pantoon certified na colors. Nag-inisa isa namin yung pinakamalapit na purple. Wala. Walang malapit na purple dun sa... Anyway, well, great naman. It came out good. Actually, what I'm really excited for is that we're gonna mount the... Actually, I think I'm picking it up tomorrow. The poster art is ready. It's gigantic. It's 50 by 60 inches. And then after that, I'm gonna have Alex mount it dun sa store. Oh, hell, you know what that reminds me. If Alex is gonna be in the store tomorrow, I'll just have him mount it na. All right. One last question. Shout out to Blocks of Code on Facebook who sent 50 stars. Thank you. This is why I'm monitoring now both the chat. Oh, thank you. On Facebook and on YouTube. 50 stars. Yeah. Thank you, Blocks of Code. Thanks, Blocks. Parang monetize. You can trade it in for real money, I think. Oh, thank you. We've actually sent... Other people have sent us stars before, but yung nga hindi namin naman monitor because of the streaming service for you, stream doesn't show us like, oh, this is from YouTube and this is a special graphic from YouTube or it all starts from Facebook. But na, I'm monitoring both. So, thank you, Blocks of Code. Oh, stop. Liya Magnaya. Hi, Liya Magnaya. Honor related but gaming mice, you guys recommend. The two Rockies are the ones who are more independent. Well, it depends on your budget, but I've been using the Corsair Ironclaw Wireless. I've had this for... It's gonna go like one year and a half na. Maybe just one year. So far, so good naman. Parang the battery, though, it's getting weak na. Like, I need to charge this guy every three days. Date, at least mga, four to five days yun. And then parang the rubber grip. The rubber grip is... There's a part there that's peeling off. So, my advice is try and find a mouse that's wireless and wala ng rubber grip. Like, it's possible wala ng rubber grip kasi parang every mouse that I've ever owned, the rubber grip like peals off and it's weird. Especially the razor mice. Soap John Rubin Ochya and Ochie, thanks for the stars. Thanks John. And of course, thank you for being a YouTube top fan. Thank you. Ayong nga palawit. Alayna. Alayna. No, you're such a... Intel i5, 10, 400, mother board. Goods po ba ito? Sorry, alam mo, Rocky the programmer kung puwede lang mag-kick nung YouTube member, kiniktakite ya. No, you can't. I'm paying. YouTube's like, why would you want to kick somebody? Intel UHD Graphics 630 on board. Mother board. Gigabyte MSI Astrock. It's asking if this PC is Goods. And so, I guess it's all boils down to ano yung Goods para sa iyo? Yeah, yeah. That's why I have this question. Ano, budget wise, performance wise, maglaluru ka dito? It's so hard to say, man. We don't know. His name is Uzumaki Beast. He wants a Beast PC. Would you classify this as a Beast PC? Beast PC? Wala si Adoy. Wala si owner. He was in my last stream. But he's not on this stream. But I love. Agata nung B-roll footage. Sorry, we're talking about the very expensive build. I was about to spill. Me also. Just how much it was. So, it was a crazy expensive build. But we're doing the videos now. We already delivered it to the client like two weeks ago. Pero, gata nung B-roll no na. In fairness, you guys really outdid yourselves. Yeah, 100. Ano nga sa 100 gigabyte si Atayun? Yeah, man. Wow. Hard time. Had a hard time uploading that. Like, frame. Talagang, frame was like saying na, ayaw niya. Ayaw niya. I don't want to upload anymore. I had to restart that. Upload so many times. So, it's okay na kaya nung mag-buyad, eh. Damn it. So, what are we saying about Uzumaki Beast? Beast siya pero, lock pa yung siya kaya. Hindi pa na unleash siya in 90 years. Kaya na yung video card para mag 90 years load. Yeah, GPU. Yeah, GPU on board. But if it's just for work, yes, it's more than acceptable kung for work lang. Mas tent gen pa. So, super recent na ano. Yeah, it's not bad. Is it a bit? Equivalent to 3400G mana lang? Parang 3600. Yung on board graphics niya? Hindi ya. Hindi ya akar. Tika. Yeah, the version are hard. They quit. Parang yung 400 ang katapat ng yung 600 series ng AMB. Sabi ni Moniker. Goods niyan para sa CSGO. Tama na ba. Oh, okay na ba toh for CSGO? Would this run CSGO? Ten 400? Yeah, eh, eh. When the dawn na magvaloran? Ah, kasi CPU intensive. We don't even know how much RAM there is, guys. Baka... It's like that, the previous question. Baka 7, 7 gigs siyang din. Well siya akong 12, 12 for the record. Moniker says it's 1050Ti, not even. Take me valent. We really need to know the context. But for certain types of games, mukang okay naman daw. According to our panel and our audience. See, next question is not really a question. We put out a survey which got 100 votes. When I see someone's new rig, I know where I voted here. I'm happy for him at 64% and criticize the parts in my head. Choice. Choices in my head as me. And then criticize the parts choice out loud. See, not me.  And immediately want to buy a new rig of my own. Very surprised that lots of people are happy. I mean, I'm just joking. I'm also happy for the new guy. We do a poll every Friday on YouTube. And this is our poll today. Usually we get like maybe 1600 replies after the weekend or something. I haven't checked just recently how many votes this has na. But I know secretly like everybody votes for one but they secretly are thinking four or three. So, you know, pagpapatataw nang tayo guys.  You can really see you can vote how you really want to vote. Pero do check out our polls every Friday. To be honest, I have a good time kaming up with them. Matagal na to. We've been running a poll every Friday for a long time na. Yeah, so ako genuinely, I'm happy especially if they get it from us kasi naki nabagdini. Yeah, I don't know if that applies to us. So 90-somewhat, you rig, that came from us. I am happy for him and us. Also, I don't think you want to the jealousy part kasi at this point in time, if you really wanted to upgrade your PC, you would have done it already by now. I am planning on upgrading this December kasi Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Upgrade. Awan na, bago na, bago na. Kasi kasi a YouTube member gave me 3,700X. Thank you. I won't mention your name na lang. Pero I do feel it's not right for me to take it. So, I'll probably like he doesn't want to take the money, doesn't want me to pay him. So, I'll probably donate to charity or something. But anyway, somebody donated at 3,700X. I'm getting an old Kraken X53 from the shop.  Kasi when they test it, white pa rin naman siya. Like it's one of those intermittent problems. So we've been using it as an extra AIO. But we do have a lot of extra AIOs na because of Deep Pool. Thanks Deep Pool. Oh, it's pa rin na yung case. Ah, no, no. Don't think I want a case. No, no. The case, bibilin naman ako na naman ako. Ang gusto ko naman ako. Ang gusto ko naman yung Corp P3. So like, I need a new mobile. The RAM, I might steal also from the shop kasi may extra raman tayong. Yeah, we have an in. We have team group. We have team RAM. We also have, no, but we're using the team group in the test build or Jase build, I think. You're using the extremely ARGB, the RGB group? The extreme. Yeah, extreme. Those are really awesome looking crystal shard zip. I don't know if it's like shard zip. We've been using it a lot in the test benches and stuff and for diagnostic. Ah, okay. Kasi last time I was there was usually the G skills. The Trident. The Trident. The Trident. Ilibestream natin yung build nyo, sir. Baka matagal nyo. It's been a while since I did a full build. Incoming a 6 RC. That was a well, that was a well-due stream. The performance of that video is pretty good. Yeah. And not the one naman si owner is. So that's what counts. Wait a minute. Have you used my stream deck, the one I gave you? No, it's still downstairs.  Use it. It makes life so much easier to multitask in everything. I'm going to use it when I get the new build. So baka, I'm waiting for the long holiday and then I'll build. Oh, Zee. Baka mad-averd siya ko. Baka bali-bali na yung pin. No, that's okay. Maanin. We'll be viral. PC shop owner claims to be expert. Screws up first PC build. Actually, a poser. We can do that right now. How does this go? So baka, that'll be the life from the shop the next one. But I need to schedule it for a holiday para wala masyadong thousand. My last life from the shop, there was a customer. So parang na throw off ako sa outline ko to what to do. I think I saw you guys. I think I saw you guys in the CCTV. Yes, and also on the live stream. So we do have a new tech in the shop for those of us who are visiting who will be visiting the shop soon. But we have to ask everybody now who starts working for us if they're okay being on camera kasi you never know like you're live streaming a build or something you have to at least be comfortable with that level of exposure. Okay naman daw siya. Yeah. So yeah, that was the last question please do vote on the on our poll on the YouTube community and if you have any questions if you weren't able to answer feel free to log on to our forum site PM.hwsugar.ph PM is the key. Yeah, that's that's pretty much for me. Yeah, sorry we had, we started the stream early because I have to go to Daddy Judy's. Alrighty, well that's all for that's all for this year. We'll see at least for pwede magtanong but let's still see each other before New Year's. Better grab it on December 3. It's hard to believe that it's New Year's. Yeah, the other stream and for gaming for gaming stream. Can you believe one, two, three in four weeks it's going to be 2022. It doesn't feel like it. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez anyway so everyone thanks for joining us and for humoring me and that that first ad spin. Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm doing this on a fly. Yeah, and congratulations for surviving COVID so far we're doing so far we're doing well here. Okay, bye bye.


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