Live from New York, it's theCUBE, covering Inforum 2016, brought to you by Inforum. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and George Gilbert. Welcome back to New York City, everybody. This is theCUBE. We're here live at the Javits Center. Martine Cadet is here. She's the senior director of Infor's education alliances program. Martine, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So you're welcome. Infor's education alliance program. Well, it's essentially where Infor has brought me on to partner with colleges and universities on a global level. So what we do in layman's terms is we invest in their schools. We give them our software, our technologies. We provide mentorship and support so that they can integrate our technology into classrooms. So think back when you were in school. There was a lot of theory. We learned a lot of different things, but when you started your full-time job, how much of that can you say you could apply day one? Not much. So what we're hoping to do is kind of close that gap in what happens in the classroom versus what an industry needs, like a company like Infor, our customers or partners, when they hire talent. So do the students know the industry language? Do they understand how software really helps the company meet its business goals? All of that stuff is what we partner with our schools and colleges around. And we do that by providing our experts to actually work with those professors and teach and train them so they impart that knowledge onto the students. And they're actually using the software? Yeah. Because, I mean, I get it for like Apple, I get these Google devices, but the kids say, oh, I got some new ERP software today. You should see this new HCM software I got. How's it work? Yeah, that's a challenge. I actually, my background's at Microsoft and I did much of the same thing working on Office and everybody gets Office. ERP's much more complex, but it also makes it much more significant. So if you know that there is a student who wants one day to be a business executive or perhaps they want to run their business at some point, they're going to have to use ERP software in order to run their business effectively. Technology's becoming the backbone of every organization and ERP sits at the heart of that. So with programs like this, one of the reasons we do focus on colleges and universities as our primary is they get that. So we'll work with a business school or we'll work with the College of Engineering giving them our mongoose and our tech stack so that they can build some really interesting apps to solve perhaps their own local issues and their own local problems and learn. How do I actually rapidly create an application using an industry ERP software? Oh, I love this conversation. So we were just talking about mongoose as a platform. And can I give that to developers and allow them to do whatever they do with it? And so that's something that you're actually incubating at universities now. Absolutely, we're using that at PACE University, University of New York is using it as well. In fact, we have an announcement with them tomorrow that actually talks about what we're doing with mongoose and our tech platform. So a lot of schools have seen the value in it because the reality is when a student graduates and they get a job and they go into the engineering department or what have you, a company can't wait for months and months and months for that app to actually be built. So tools like mongoose really help fast track them getting to where they need to be from a business perspective. So take us back to Inform 14 when you launched the program. What was the catalyst for that? You know, take us on the journey through today. Okay, so this program we are benefited by having a CEO who believes in that vision and the value of what it is to partner with the college university. So this was essentially his idea. And so when we launched in September, I think we had been working on the program for about six to nine months at that point. I had been recently hired at November time period and we launched with five member institutions, which was pretty good in a pretty short timeframe. At that time, we had about 20 solutions that we were looking to have provided to schools. Fast forward to now, we've got 13 member institutions. We are global, we have one in China, we have one in Italy. We're looking to expand even more. And we've actually shrunken down the number of solutions we focus so that we can go much more broadly. But we've learned a ton in terms of what do schools need? What are students looking for? How do we do a better job of really closing that chasm of what is ERP? Because it is a pretty complex thing for a professor to get their mind around on. How is this a benefit to my school? So what do schools need and what are students looking for? I serve that up to them. So schools need to be able to provide to their students practical experience. So there are a lot of organizations out there that really focus on the theory. So research, big, wonderful questions that maybe might solve something in 10 to 15 years. But in a lot of ways, we need people who can actually graduate, pay for their college degrees, pay back their loans in five to 10 years. How do we help students who are competing with people who have experience, who have been in industry from quite some time, really also close that gap so that they can land not just a job, but a job that pays them well and enables them to move forward with their future. And so that's one of the things that we really do focus on. What are those key skills that a practical experience course can provide that augments what traditional education usually provides in the classroom? One of George's passions is data, big data. You hear about the data skills gap. Is there an angle there for in for? It's just data, data scientists. Talk about that a little bit. So we actually are in conversations with a school in the Northwest with our data scientists today. So we do have something that we call kind of a center of excellence. We've got industry projects we talk about where we would partner an in-force specialist or expert with a set of students who are working on these projects. And so we are in conversations right now with our data scientists to work with a set of PhD students on big, meaty, big data issues right now. So that doesn't involve a software endowment but it is along the same line where it's less about practical. How do we use these concepts within a business itself to advance what a business is looking to do? And they'll learn that in real time. So it's only been a couple of years but can you embed like a tracking chip on the students and see where they go and where they swim? We don't have a tracking chip yet but we are looking to make sure that we can track where they go over time. What we do know is we launched what? September 2014, from that point we've influenced over 1600 students, teachers and administrators in that timeframe. We've hired close to 130 scholar interns through this program. We've hired 24 students as well as entry level into in four. So we've been able to see some traction. We've seen students go from, I've worked on this stuff in the classroom to I've actually applied it in an internship to they've been hired within in four. And we've also started to see a move from first hiring in four to a transfer to another department in four. So we are beginning to see that traction and being able to create, okay, so what is the path and what are the learnings that come through that? So we can do a better job of helping other people follow. So tech companies have been sort of applying this concept for many, many, many, many decades. You used to do it at Microsoft. So what were some of the learnings and what has changed that requires you to do things differently? Yeah, so I would say there are a lot of learnings. It's smart for all companies to do this which is why you see every IT company has some kind of a program like this. But what we do that is fundamentally different is how we approach and how we partner with our organizations. We're not a one-size-fits-all by any stretch of the imagination. And to your point earlier, ERP's much harder. So what we can do is go much, much deeper with these organizations of the students. And what we do that's also differently is we have something called a skills marketplace that we're building. So we essentially serve as a matchmaker, if you will. And we take the students who have gotten trained on either one of these platforms or perhaps they've been an intern or they've gotten product certification or they've worked in a center of excellence which think of these as like six and nine month deep projects or multi-year. We actually match them with in-for-hiring managers as well as hopefully our customers and partners who are looking for talent. Most other organizations, I don't know of any who take it to that next level. So we go beyond, yes, we would like you to use our stuff. Every company would like you to use our products. But how do we also help you meet your end goal of actually landing in point and being truly successful? How do you decide who to work with? Can you be selective or is it more of a push push because everybody's trying to do this? It's a combination. So we do have our target list. There are certain schools that we actually would love to partner with and we go after pretty aggressively. Some schools come after us and it comes down, it's almost like a marriage. What's the right fix? What are they looking to do in their classroom? Because we do, it is a relationship. So our contracts typically are three years. We know the teachers that we work with. We mentor and sponsor them. They know who we are. So we want to look for people who want, are truly looking to have practical experiences in their classroom for their students. We are looking for people who are looking to partner with us and not just get the software and run. At the end of the day, we want to know what the impact is so that we can continue to be better and improve upon the program over time for other people as well. Following up on your talk about the path that students can take, it was actually remarkable to hear how you track them all the way through internship, hire, transfer. It sounds like you really mapped out something where it's not just train it and then sort of they fall off the conveyor. What about different roles that they might take in where you might say we need data scientists to help flesh out our sort of big data strategy that's just emerging? Or we want to strengthen the ISV pool. So we want to look for solution developers.  Absolutely, so I'm really glad you asked that because that's one of the things that we're doing this year that we weren't doing when we first launched the program. So we're in the process right now of developing these practical experience courses that are role and industry specific. So part of what you're also here about tomorrow is we're doing that with CUNY today. We're developing and what we did was we did some research, so I like research. I like knowing that I'm going to build a plan that actually meets the needs of what's out there. So we surveyed in four people as well as some of our customers and our partners and we identified that if we could build the right offerings that we could hire tens, sorry, thousands of students over the next three years. And we identified that most of that is within junior consultants, implementation consultants, and the sales communities. So we've actually started to build our offerings to what is a practical experience course if you want to be an implementation consultant or if you want to go into value engineering or hopefully in the future if you want to get into sales. And that's what we're starting to build today. Offer to the institutions. Wow, so, okay, so you kind of took us through the journey up until now. What should we be looking for going forward? Where do you want to take the program? So going forward, we want to land successfully these new programs that we have. I mean, they're literally going to launch this fall. And what we love is for our customers and partners as well as our in-for-hiring managers to hire. Because the program is only good if we actually meet the goal on the backend of, okay, you've invested in us, in-for, in training your students. Now we need to invest back in them and give them employment and make them successful. Any figures so far on gender diversity or expectations for that? Because we were hearing that, I think actually from Melinda Gates, I listened to her at a recent conference. She said that the percentage of women, I think it was either Stanford or nationwide, dropped from 37% to something in the teens, I think. Yeah, it's challenging. But if you look at the number of women who graduate from colleges, we're actually starting to outpace men in a lot of ways. The challenge is when you look within traditional STEM and science kind of fields, it's dropped. But within our program, since we do target schools like City of New York and PACE, in addition to Princeton who's worked with us as well, we are seeing less of that issue. We have a good number of women as well as a good number of minorities or what's traditionally been referred to as minorities in our program. You know, so this issue of STEM, my understanding, so we were on a call the other day with Esther Wojewski who is the, she runs the journalism program at Palo Alto High School. And she was in, we have a fellowship with the ground truth. We call it tech truth. It's our nonprofit. And we promote young journalists. We're training the next generation of journalists is our mission. And she said that there's no lack of women that are in STEM in universities. The issue is when they come out, they're not going into STEM jobs, which we want to understand why. So I didn't realize that. You know this, you're not a, so this is a fact or- I think part of the challenge is, and I think he also goes beyond women. A lot of students are in classes, but what you learn versus what happens in a day-to-day job are not necessarily the same thing. And so with these practical experience courses, not only will you get the theory, but you apply and you get to determine while you are in school, is this really the track I want to go down? My undergrad was in race relations sociology. I spent three months as, you know, in the field as a case manager. Wasn't necessarily where I was going to be. Left it quite shortly after that. So how do we truly help kids to understand what it is that they've actually picked early on so that they can make those changes? And I think from a STEM perspective, it's also for women the support. So you can train somebody and you can teach them all the core concepts, but is the industry as welcoming to women and people of color and just, you know, difference as it could be? Not always. So it depends where you are. If you look at kind of Silicon Valley, they have a much bigger gap than you see in other places. So I think that is also a real concern. Right. It was, it's interesting to hear you talk about this because in the trial that, you know, caught so much attention, one of the big issues was all the hiring managers or all the entities that could, you know, affect the balance. They would always say, there's no one in our pipeline. And you're the first organization I've really heard that seems to have programmatically done something to change that, not only for your pipeline, but for others. That's the goal. And I think our CEO, having a CEO who is passionate about that, as well as I've had some amazing managers and mentors add in for have been so supportive of it. So you have to have the right culture and environment in order to move forward with a program like that. And it is within our strategy on how we go after people. Well, Charles seems, I mean, it's not surprised that this was in part anyway, his idea. I could see him coming up with something like this, having a passion for it. How much have you been able to leverage his persona in developing relationships with universities? He knows everybody. So that, especially in the beginning was supremely helpful. He did provide a lot of the contacts and some connections and we've grown beyond that. So not all of the contacts and connections come through Charles as well, but he's also been a great support. So he's shown up when we needed him to show up. He's shown up when we didn't need him to show up just to show the support which has been phenomenal. But part of what we've been trying really hard to do in the last year is how do we also move the program where it's not just something our CEO is focused on but it becomes mainstream part of who we are at Infor. So this year for us is all about mainstreaming the program and showing how the program stands on its own which is why we're looking to grow to hopefully over 50 institutions in the next 18 months and then making huge investments. That's critical, Charles is an accelerant clearly and you in that role, you want to leverage that but you're right, it's not going to have sustainability if it's all about the CEO's passion.  Want to be a true partnership from his vision to everybody embracing it and us as an organization doing it without thinking. It just needs to be part of our natural every day. Yeah. Awesome. Martin, thanks very much for coming on theCUBE, sharing the journey, the story. Good luck and congratulations. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you both. All right, keep it right there, everybody will be back. To New York City, right after this brief break.


All right, there was a question in the beginning that I said I would answer, which is a good question. The RX456, do you think selling pressure of Bitcoin upon approval of ETF will outweigh buying pressure of people, buying the rumor of intel approval of ETF? I gotta tell you, I don't know how many times I fall prey to this, but it really does make sense of buy the rumor, sell the news. I'm not for sure that we get just a massive amount of people on the very first day. I think if you really wanted to get exposure to it, you probably got exposure. There's institutions that can't do that. They didn't want to do that because they didn't want to deal with their client's money. They didn't know of the proper way to store things. They hear about people losing private keys at the time and they didn't want the responsibility for that. So sure, you can see it. I personally think there'll be a moderate amount of influx. The first, it's cause it's not like it's gonna happen like one day, like boom, $10 trillion in you go. Again, it doesn't have to be $10 trillion. The money multiplier that actually comes in, it actually increases by, I think it's like a factor of 10 or 20 or something like that. You're gonna see a moderate amount come in. People are gonna be excited. Some people are gonna take profits. You gotta remember that there's always gonna be traders out there. There's always gonna be scalpers. They're gonna take it.  And then of course over time, things will start to make movement. You gotta remember, a lot of these people that are out there, they still under the assumption of like the Dave Ramsey's, right? They're like, you should never get into Bitcoin and crypto because it's a Ponzi and it's a tulip bubble. And I would never do that because alls I need to do is just put it into savings at 0.1%. You know, the same thing I'm gonna say. And it's gonna take a little bit of time for people to understand it now. You also gotta remember it's something too is that, a lot of these people are gonna, especially like with BlackRock and MicroShaddy, the reason why they don't move the market so much initially is because of the OTC.  Over time, it's a big thing. And here's a little secret. I don't even care if it gets approved or not. Because even if it doesn't get approved, the narrative is still there. You've still got massive amount of people and people with huge amount of clout in the traditional finance sector are like, we like this, we approve of this, let's move forward. And I think the narrative is more important than the ETF in the long run. But my plan is this. This shouldn't be your plan. This is my plan since 2022. Dollar cost average as things start to, as the price starts to decrease, I put in more, it's called dynamic DCAing. When we get to certain points, I start to layer out as I layer it in. And as this happens, I'll probably still be buying. I just bought Bitcoin today because everything goes on auto because I set everything up on Coinbase automatic. So that's what I've been doing since 2022. Seems to work out okay. The word for MicroStrategy. I don't know. Anyhow, it's a great question. I'll see if I'm even remotely correct. Ah, let's see. Lax guy. Chainlink or Sol or both, I personally buy both. I think Chainlink is enormous. I think it's a, you know, like I said, oracles are very important to actually pull the data from off chain to the real world and then into the on chain analysis. And of course, they're also working with Swift and then for RWAs or real world assets. Big, big, big, big money needs oracle to put it into the blockchain to move those real world assets across chains. So I think Chainlink is great. And then Solana, you know what I like about Solana? I think I said this in Twitter, I don't think I said this here, but things move fast. They move real fast in the crypto space and you have to really adapt and keep up within reason. You know, we don't want, like as an entrepreneur, you just try to like throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks like, oh, that works, I'm gonna do that. But you can't do that as much when you're dealing with people's life savings and money. Because if you start to move too fast and you break stuff, it's okay if you break stuff, you're an entrepreneur, it's not a good idea when you break stuff and it's like, you know, $100 million and you just lose it, Poloni X, and stuff like that. So for me, I look at Solana, I think they had their issues. Like the issue always was, ah, it's always, first of all, it's a VC chain and second of all, it's always down. Well, so far in 2023, it hasn't been down one time. 2022, a different story, right? So they're moving a little bit too fast and they broke things. And one thing that I did like about it is everybody made fun of them for their phone. Remember the Solana phone? Even me, I was like, I gotta do that. And I'll be damned if they didn't do it. So if I take a little step back and go, okay, can you do things that you say you're gonna do? Oh, you did it. Well, I'll stand up and take a notice. So it made me take notice. I don't know about you guys. But again, just because the price is up, everybody's bullish on Solana, I get it. So maybe you take profits and go from there. Again, it's all what you wanna do. Now what I wanna do. The traders, keep me, the traders will push hard for clients, uptake audit will pump and dump. I suppose so. I think the traders will push hard and kind of make a little bit more volatility. That's what the great thing about traders and I'm okay with that. Hopefully my dollar cost averaging orders get executed when those guys are selling a bunch. Let's see. Hoyel Lamas, or Joel Lamas, ask a pretty good question. Can Link be staked, I believe it can? And if you're looking for that answer, why don't you just do this? This is a great website. It is called, let's see if I can find it. www.stakingrewards.com And if you go to www.stakingrewards.com, you can take a look at what is staked, what can be staked and how to actually do it. So let's see. And unless I'm missing it, have I been wrong? That's not. Well, you can still find other stuff, but let's see. Or I can do a Google search. I guess that's pretty well. Data feeds, I see. That's weird. Usually staking rewards is very up to date. Man, I guess I stand corrected. All right, good question. Didn't know they didn't have it. And Beardy wisely says, Pepe Eos the best trading pair around. I think it would be, it would behoove us to take a look at the Pepe dominance chart or the Eos dominance chart and see exactly how far away we are. Two of the most fantastic cryptos out there. And that is sarcasm. What's your opinion about ADA this cycle? ADA is probably gonna do pretty well. I don't know if it's gonna really rock it up and hit it's all time line anytime soon. But ADA is one of those tokens that really takes its time on things, right? But like we just saw, there's some good projects. Konokopi is being one of them, built on there. And then one of my next favorite ones will be World Mobile Token. Seems to be working out pretty well for them as they launch their arrow stats and start to get everything off the ground. And of course, World Mobile Token, again, I own that token. So of course I am biased. But I think it'll do just fine. The question is, this is the big question, Joana. The question is, how fast will it go up and am I riding the fastest horse? And then the next question is, do I really even care about being the fastest horse? Maybe it's like the community. Maybe it's like what they're trying to do. Maybe it's like the products that are built on them. I think there's a big thing. So these are the things that you have to think about as like an investor and kind of make your own way. The top YouTubers didn't expect this quick move to 30K. Yeah, exactly. And I know people like, it's a funny thing.  It's gonna crash back down to whatever else.  I always find it interesting how people will, they'll blame other people and say, well, you told me it was gonna go to 12K or 10K and it didn't and I missed out. And I'm like, why'd you do that? We always are talking about it. In all honesty, if you just took the mentality that some people have, which is unlike, man, I sure hope they're right. I sure hope it does go to 12K or 15K, which it did actually 15, seven or 10K like or Garth of Salloway is 9K. I'm like, I hope they're right. Because to me, like, I don't know if you're like me, but I always look at the daily executable orders that I have for my daily dollar cost averaging. I look at that, I'm like, geez, that's a pretty high price, you know? I mean, I'm buying Solana here at $50 something when it was at nine bucks or actually, I didn't get it at nine bucks. I think I got it on like 12 or 13. And I look at like Bitcoin, I'm like, damn it, wasn't this like 30K not too long ago? I always look at it like this, like I'm getting, I'm paying too much. I'm hoping it actually goes down. So when people say like, I blame this guy for me staying out, like why'd you stay out? You know, I can't tell you what to do, but I mean, there's another option, right? So I always blame myself. I look at it, I go, man. And to be honest with you, like Diaz remember that I even thought, I'm like, hey, you know, Bitcoin, usually it drops off 85% after every cycle from the top of 2013 to the bottom and January 2015, I think it was, it was a 84% drop. And then from 2017 to 2018, it was an 85% drop. And then this one, when everybody called for Bitcoin they said it'll never go below 20K. Then it hit like 19.6. And I was like, see, that's it, that's the bottom. It's never gonna go below 19K. I'm like, eh, that's only 71% drop. It should go lower. It did, it went to 15.7. And then I was like, well, that's good. And I'm like, it can still go to 12K. And I thought it would go to 12K and I was wrong. But again, I wanted it to go to 12K.  This is really just entertainment. And the best thing that I can do is just tell you like what I'm doing and you can take a piece of that and move it over. Like my man, Mullet, he's not gonna listen to me. He's a great trader. He's like, you know what, that was a great story but I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do because this is what works for me. And he's right. And he's right for him. So that's it. See, Mullet, great trader. Ah, fan man. Will fame MMA come back or should I dump them in my burn wallets? I believe you have a bag also. I do have a bag matter of fact. Fame was one of those where like, it should have been well, they used influencers, not just crypto influencers, like every influencer's out there. This is a Eastern European mixed martial art organization. And they were pitting these influencers against each other in fights and it was a pretty great mood. It's still going on. It's big actually over there. And then they got into crypto and it would have worked pretty well because you could use the crypto to for discounts, the pay per view. You could stake it. You could roll it in different aspects of it. You could actually, it was, it would have worked pretty well but I don't think they really versed in the way that crypto actually works pretty well or how it really works. And it just didn't, it took off for a short amount of time and they kind of let it glide. Me personally, it's down so much and it's like, I'll just hold on to it. But I took profits on the way so I'm okay with there but I'd like it to come back but I'm not gonna sell my bag being so low. I'll wait a little bit. Trust me. No, no, no. Don't trust me. I still believe that things will pop off in the bull run a lot of things but some of these aren't coming back but don't trust me, verify. Let's see. What's your opinion on internet computer protocol? I actually have some and we'll see how it actually works out. I think it's ahead of its time. Like I've always said before and it could do well but again, that's just a gamble play. That's a real gamble play. I'd take up knitting before I'd short-soul. Golf, right? I have a hard time seeing you as a knit person, a knitting person. So the crypto spark says, Dan, why would people keep using sweat app when the return is so minimal? What are they going to implement into the app to make it worth it? I walked in at 15 K steps a day and only have earned 25 bucks. First of all, great question. Answer is the great thing about the sweat app is that it's free and you put it and of course, people say, well, Rob, it's free than you're the product. Well, no kidding, genius. It's the same thing with YouTube. We're all watching this on YouTube or Twitter, right? You're the product, it's free. So like when you're using the sweatwap, sweatwap, sweat wallet or the app itself is that of course, when you go in there and you use those sweat tokens, you can buy other different things. Of course, they're gonna give you ads. They're gonna say, hey, would you like to use sweat tokens? You get 40% off this new cutlery knife set or whatever else it is. And then of course there's that, then there's the game, then there's the staking, but I know something that some people don't know. I'll just tell you right here. When you go to a decentralized exchange and you have to swap things in a dex, let's say it's Uniswap or Pancake Swap or whatever else it is, right? You need gas, do you not? You need gas. And that gas can be pretty damn expensive. If you take a look at it, I don't know what it is for Ethereum right now, but I'm guessing it's pretty damn high, especially with the price of Ethereum going up. And of course the people that are de-gening out there. Let's say you don't have gas, what do you do? Well, you're screwed. However, wouldn't it be awesome to have a dex where you could use the gas that you walked for? Let's say you're like, I'd like to swap something. I'd like to swap a near token for USDT or USDC or for Polyon, whatever the heck it is, I don't know. And you're like, I don't have any gas. Well, I just go take a little walk real quick or maybe I'll walk throughout the days and I use that. That's what's coming to the sweat wallet. I can't tell you when, but no, I can't tell you when actually. It's gonna happen before the end of this month. So your sweat wallet that you have, you're gonna be able to use that as a dex and you're gonna be able to buy these different cryptos within them and use that as gas. So something like that. And then there's a couple of things that I can't tell you. So that's it. Don't believe me. Just stay away from it. It's not good for you anyhow, right? Who the hell would wanna walk and earn some tokens and have a free app to do that? There's one that's not free. It's called Steppen. You have to buy a NFT to use it, have fun. I tried it, hated it, but some people love it. So again, that's what makes the world go around. Difference of opinions. That's a good question. That's a good one. I've never heard this. Buying Bitcoin every single day for six and a half years. Congratulations. 17, 18, 19, 20, I think you have more than me. Just like brushing my teeth every morning and when you get a serious fast pullback, you double and triple down. Yeah, exactly. That's just it.  You'll hear Peter Schiff talk about how great gold is and those people, and then again, the Dave Ramsey's, they'll tell people that usually skew older in their demographics, you should not buy crypto and digital assets, especially Bitcoin, it's a Ponzi scheme. And why is that important? It's because there was a document out that showed that 60%, no, why on that? I wanna say 63% of the US's wealth are in the hands of boomers, the population that skews older. The people that will probably get into this spot ETF would probably be those people because that's where a lot of the majority of the wealth actually lies. So those are the people that we have to win over to explain to them like, look, you can do bonds, you can do T-bills, you do those things. You can do precious metals and everything else. I do the same thing. You can invest into real estate and those things, but if you wanna hedge, or if you wanna diversify a little bit more, take a look at the asset or the asset class that is outperforming everything over the last decade. And we don't want you to put 50% in, we'd like you to put in one to 4%. Just do that. And that I think is the way to get things. And then of course they can all be happy when everything goes ballistic in the next bull run. So yeah, we'll see. Hello everybody. A little meme. Tonway. Toy, T-way. Yeah, T-way says you're in 20 bucks from long. It's pretty awesome. How long have you been at? Probably a long time. But you gotta remember, when I first started talking about sweat coin, it was a thousand steps was one sweat. Now it's 4,500. And in like six months, I forget the time. It's gonna be 12,000 steps is gonna be one sweat coin. And people were like, well, it's so inflationary. Not anymore. As of last month is deflationary. So that's another indicator. And also they're burning some. So yeah. Rich trance is so on a blowing money on a useless phone and it's okay. Depends. I mean, look, some people bought it. Maybe they took it a loss, but it was proven that they could do it, which I gotta tell you, made me stand up and take notice. Because how many other, let me ask you guys this, how many other projects have you invested into? Where they said, you know what? We're gonna do this, this, this and this. And you can trust us, bro.   I think these are the things we take a look at and say, did you do what you're saying you're gonna do? Were you able to update? And were you able to execute? And if you weren't, how can you do that when things really gets really expand? Because, I mean, there's one thing to actually come out and have a white paper and say, we can do this and to actually produce results. If you've ever owned a business and you've had to hire people, you know exactly what I'm talking about. People talk in great game until it comes down to brass tacks. And you're like, oh, I can't do that. Yeah. D.D. says, my profit's unsold will appear at 500 bucks. Sounds good, man. Chose. Can Cardano continue to outperform Chili's? Chili's, I, I had was on the Voyager app. And of course, that didn't work out for me either. Voyager, and again, Voyager's one of those, one of the products that I talked about and how I thought it was gonna be great. And then of course, two weeks before, I had Steve Erlich on the show many a times talking about how great the product was and so on and so forth. And then of course, it went under and I was on me because I just didn't see it coming. Although, as a reminder, like on every one of my videos, I kept this in here for a specific reason. So I get the comments all the time. Here's my Celsius Voyager timeline.  And the reason was because since it was a publicly traded company, it was revealed that they gave three hours capital of $630 million uncollateralized loan. I saw that, I'm like, this is not gonna work. And I said, just take it all off. And I left, I said, I'm still gonna use Voyager because I'm gonna put things in cold storage, but I still left some things on there because I should have taken it all off every single day, but I did not and I lost some and it's awful, but that's the way it goes. And now that's why I have those rules in front of me because of the Celsius and the Voyagers. FTX I never really got into. I never really liked them. My friend is the trend. My friend is the trend. Yeah, if your friends start coming out and going, hey bro, what's up with that Bitcoin? Ooh, this guy hasn't asked me in three years. Time to get rid of it. Or time to think about, time to think about potentially selling some something or taking profits. Andre's got a question, reality check, how risky is staking?  One of those things I like about Cardano, I know some people hate Cardano, some people love Cardano, but the thing is with Cardano, they knocked out of the park for staking and that's why we became a stake pool operator because when you stake with DNews or anybody, and there's a link in the description, I show you the video on how it works and how you can actually do it, which I don't think you should be, doesn't pick some stake pool operator but don't leave on exchanges. That's a recipe for disaster. But what's great about is that it stays within your Cardano wallet, whether that be NAMI, whether that be Daedalus, whether that be whatever that you want to use. It stays there, but then you stake it in with the DNews, the SPOs. And it's great. And of course, if you ever want to un-stake, it's like that.  And that's it. So for Cardano, not risky. Ethereum, a little more risky. There's other ones that you can use your ledger device, like with not polka dots, Avalanche. It's online, but you can secure it with your ledger wallet. Same thing you do with your MetaMask wallet. And if you have questions about that and how that actually works, again, there's this website that I'm super biased about. It's called DanTeaches Crypto. And if you go to module five, how do I stake my cryptos? Use the MetaMask wallets. There is videos right there.  All right. What else we got? 48 minutes, pretty good. The back is now just starting to feel it. So I've gone from no minutes to 20 minutes to 40 minutes. Once you get a herniated disc, it really does make things more difficult, but I'm seeing doctors and therapists and a physio. So thanks everybody for your advice and your experiences. I will tell you this. Great thing about chronic or back pain. It doesn't have to be chronic. You just have to get to catch it and you have to put on a shoe or work. Okay, right here. Yeah, it's been sliding and getting it sooner. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, look, it's a lot of dumping. What's a lot of dumping as I talk about it? That sounds like something that would happen with me. Yeah. Look at that dump. We'll check this out. Bang. 24 hours, look at that dump. Went from 60, damn, went to 63 bucks. Went to 61 dollars. Hey, if you don't take profit, someone else is gonna do it, just let you know. This is my favorite. Family at Thanksgiving won't be laughing this year. I gotta tell you, I love it. Thank goodness for these little rallies, right?  Did you quit your job anytime soon? When's that lambo coming? And of course, if this was like two months ago, you'd be like, sorry, you wouldn't just be eating pie, you'd be eating crow. But now you get to go in there and be like, oh, it's going pretty good, as a matter of fact. You know, that Bitcoin's up like 138% and Solana's up 400% and Tencent's up 320%. How's your gold doing, Jerry? And then of course you go from there. That's the fun part. Rubbing people's face in it. Now I'm just kidding. Family gotta love them, but that's how it goes. Let's see. Jasmine to the moon, Pepe Eos is flashing. Rob came out on top, really. You gotta understand, you know, like even though I talk about it, I'm in Delacoste Avenue to 2022. There's still some things that I'm down and that's okay. Again, it wasn't about, it was just about just having a, you have a plan. You made that plan when you were most rational, when I was born and nothing was going on. You said, okay, this is my plan, I'm sticking to my plan. And that's it. Now of course, if something comes out where it's like, well, okay, you know, something negative comes out. Okay, well, Bitcoin has a double spend issue or it comes out that Joe Biden was the creator of Bitcoin.  But you know what I mean? And of course if that stuff like majorly massive, then it's, you know, like maybe I should pivot here a little bit, but I don't see that happening. But it could, I mean, who saw three O's capital collapse? Who saw the FTX collapse? Who saw all these things collapse? That's why I'm trying to get out in the bull run. Jan, Jan says, Rob, you are also sitting on the sidelines a bit, not just me. No, no, no, I'm still actively buying today because I think today's prices are not reflective of the prices that we're gonna see when the real bull run comes. This is child's play, quite honestly. And we went through this in the end of 2019 and 2020. Everybody thought it was amazing once we, when we hit Bitcoin at 20K again. I remember Bitcoin was at 10K. And Cardano went from three cents to like 15 cents. And people were like, this is crazy. And I was like, well, this is good. You just learn, you're like, that's nothing. Not that Cardano, you know what I'm gonna say. So I'm not gonna say it. It's a good point. Gullfer said, this might be the last time we can actually front run big money. Why wouldn't you at least DCA if you don't tell you? That's just it. Everybody has to make their decisions for themselves. I always looked at it like this. I'm like, well, especially when BlackRock came in, I'm like, well, this big institution's coming in and they are one of the standards for institutions with assets under management.  So I just said, this makes a lot of sense.  BlackRock ended that, that's a nice distraction from my silver bag or my Visa stock or my fill in the blank. But once people really get in, they sort of see the gains and they have to start to talk amongst themselves and go, wow, this is a pretty big thing.  You start to really realize that this thing will really take off. Now, is that a guarantee? No, it's not.  Could that happen? Anything can happen. Everybody thought that Luna was gonna go to the moon. Remember that? Yeah. Or one of my favorites, which was Supercycle Theory. Remember that? There's gonna be a Supercycle and it'll never go down. You know who came up with that? The folks at Three Hours Capital. They thought it was gonna be, it'll never go down.  Did that pan out? No. So just be aware that it's just not. Can anything happen? Nick says it right. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Evidence, yes, happy evensions they do too. Look. Oh my God, thanks for being so honest. I've been in since 2017, I've been putting money in but I keep kicking myself and not going in hard and fast like I best answer says. That's just it. James has a strategy. CTO Larson has a strategy. Ben's got a strategy. Everybody's got a strategy of how they wanna do it. I think it's just whatever you use your wrist tolerance what you can think it is. And I just remember, I just remember Mike Novogratz getting a tattoo of a howling wolf and saying lunatics because he was one of the early investors into Luna and how big it was. And then I just see the mistakes of people going in too hard, too fast. And some people say, but you gotta go in and you gotta lump some on. That's where the money is. And I'm like, for me, that doesn't work out. It just doesn't. So for other people, it works. It's just not my thing. Yeah. You know, it's bought to my CP. Yes. Omar says, soul needs to collapse as it is fundamentally an insider trading ship coin. Nice. That might as well be run on centralized AWS network except at least Amazon web service doesn't have as much downtime. Again, here's the thing about the Solana and the VC coin. I've talked about this before, but the VCs got in on pennies in the dollar. You have to understand that, right? There's a seed, there's a pre-seed round and there's a public round. They got in way before you did. And this was 2020. So when that price went from $10 to 20 to the top at 250, I'm telling you right now. And then it starts, and of course when it started to after the crescendo went down, I'm telling you right now, they sold most of their bags, most of them did because that's what VCs do.  Well, I'm a big player and you're gonna play players, let's sell. And they sold and they dumped on you. So do I think that it's a VC coin now? There's still VCs in there, the one that didn't sell or the ones that are reacquiring going, well, I do pretty well again, let's ride this train. So the question is then, do you think it really is a VC VC coin? Or do you think that maybe there's more regular folks getting into it, like myself or like you? Either way, it doesn't matter if it's a VC coin or if it's a public coin, people will still sell. Cardano is a prime example of like a project that was mostly done public sale and did great with a massive community. But even with that massive community, what was their all time high, $3? What was their all time low? I wanna say it's below $0.20 for this cycle. All time low is of course, I'm talking about cycles. People are still gonna sell. So I don't see the difference between roughly like a big VC coin or a public coin or else people still sell. If that was the case, then Cardano would still be above two bucks, people sell. Yes, well, 30% will take profits and so it's about to get rugged potentially. I go down here, I just wanna play that Marvel game. It's a great game. And this is a great question. How's your back? Now it's really starting to hurt. So I gotta get out of here. It's not just my back, it just goes down to my legs and makes my leg numb, so it's hard to even stand up. So that's it for today. Everybody, thanks so much for stopping by. I appreciate you liked today's video. Give it a thumbs up, consider subscribing. And that's it for Saturday. I'll see you tomorrow. Maybe we'll do a little bit something different tomorrow besides looking at my portfolio and going over the DCA stuff. Maybe we'll talk more about selling. See you guys tomorrow. Thanks so much. See you in the next one.


Hello y'all. Hi Taylor. Good morning. Hi and good evening to you. Are you actually, hold on, where are you located? Is your, are you plus? Yeah, I'm in Virginia. Oh, you're in Virginia. Yeah. Oh, well then good morning as well. Yeah, good morning. All right. Ian, are you on the West Coast right now or in England or where are you today if your audio is connected? My audio is connected and I'm on the West Coast, the same as usual. All right. Yeah, no, I haven't been traveling recently. Okay, no family visits. No, so far, went back in what October November and I haven't been back since. All right. Let's give it another minute or two. Is there a time change happening in different parts of the world right now already way early for that. It's definitely friends. All right. It's on record. We have no friends if someone wants to come join us. And be friends. And they're listening to this. We made on Mondays at 1600. Hold on. Wait, is that right 1600 UTC. All right. Hi guys. Morning. Hey, please add your name. And any agenda items to the meeting notes. We'll get started here in a minute or two. Well, you know, maybe we just get started with this more group we have today. Okay. Are you able to share your screen with. Oh, is it me? Yes. We just tried to fix something else. I was trying to make work. Sorry, my laptop's having morning problems. How's that. Everybody see that. Looks good. Looks good. Yep. Right. Taylor, are you leading him right. It's you today. Please. Okay. Sure. Oh, yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is it. I just want it was you. All right, fine.  Okay. Right. So next week is a federal holiday. Should we cancel this group next Monday. In my experience, it's not a terribly consistently. Observed federal holiday, but I'm certainly not around next Monday. Just speak up, we can all communicate. Everyone here is active so if you don't want to be here next week or you aren't going to be then just say so. Well if you want to be here then there's no point. Okay that question is answered we got a majority of people on the call. Right so we still have the cloud native telco day EU open papers. I won't go through all the events this week because there's a lot of them and they've been on here for ages at this point but since that one's got a an open request for papers called for papers then you might want to go and have a look see if there's anything that you feel you want to talk about any of your experiences any of your thoughts or ideas and put a presentation in there and don't forget as well to tell us of the exciting presentations you've put in and also anything else that you've seen on record that other people are putting in as well for any of these events it's all worth knowing what's coming up that's worth actually spending the time to go in here. So I won't go through the upcoming events but the there is an important pair there which is that the time zone changes and Taylor are we basically stuck with the UTC time so our meeting will move an hour in that places which change their time zone. Is that how we're playing this? That's how we've been doing it just keep it at 1600 UTC and that stays time day like savings changes then we still stay at 16. If we want to shift that in the future I think we should have more input. I'm not complaining for it being an hour later and an hour later is totally fine with me so anyway yeah if it was going to happen I'd probably want to try to keep it an hour later myself. Yes it was a little bit of carelessness that it's not that hour earlier as well okay again you're all capable of reading there are a list of other events here you can go and double check as you can see there isn't just the one called papers open it's just the first one that's coming up there are a few others worth considering to submit to but none of them are exactly imminent at this point in time. I'm going to skip the old skip the first one for a moment because we'll get there shortly and it will eat towards the end of the meeting likely but I would just point out that your your friendly neighborhood co-chairs that's me Taylor and Jeff have a one-year term and we were elected about 11 months ago at this point so it will imminently come round that we need to open nominations for the next year's co-chairs to do the work of organizing you all and hosting these meetings sending out the occasional sort of request to you and yes you're I'm not quite sure when we will open the nominations but you're welcome to self nominate and I encourage you to do so but just I didn't want to get that lost it's I think it's about two months out at this point in time maybe a little less and I wanted to make sure everybody had their opportunity to to suggest themselves for a co-chair if they want to have a go next year. Um right um not quite sure what this one means who wrote this yeah sorry it was me I don't know why it's right anonymous okay um I think that's right like month ago we already started to discuss the document I wrote and didn't really get inputs on it like I said to continue to to uh to write more I'm reading my link here wait a second um sorry and for some reason cut the link so it was the document I started to write about you know different security best practices um and um and you know I really try to write up you know the first few points here okay just to get a sense of you know what do you think what we think as a group of about things that that are useful and can be added as best best practices recommendations uh okay to our agenda and and since I didn't really get any inputs on it and small inputs I guess I already incorporated so I simply continue to write and and again I I just simply get to a point okay but I think that I've in a very high level but I've covered some most important things I think that that that uh that are important for for the for the API server configuration for our security perspective um and you know and I'm what to ask you know us okay you guys here that that how do you see this okay what should we what should I add should we move this to to the github repo uh should should I correct wording or really I would be happy to get in this here um well this should go to the um the the github repo because it is a best practice I mean uh easily justified it doesn't need a use case to go with it you're basically saying that it is a good idea for Kubernetes to be under control and not hacked I think you'd want to spell that out in relatively simple words at the top to give a reason for it but aside from that yeah fine um there are perhaps one or two of these that I wonder about in a um an NFE context um although a good deal of them are quite logical and I don't think I would debate um you're mentioning uh open ID down here at the bottom uh that's an alternative among three I think is what you're trying to say is that correct yeah so so I think at the client authentication part is um is you know most of the things are okay from a security perspective and this is what I wrote okay that I'm trying to pull the emphasis on all these alternative options that where the security issues can lie okay and there is no clear best practice I think the only thing which was for my point of view was being on always static token files which I I think in general it's not a good idea uh the client certificate authentication open open ID connect tokens and web based authentications both also three can be fine as an authentication mechanism um from my point of view and and you know well again I'm open for for you know feedback yeah I mean the only suggestion I would make on that there is to rather than basically list what you could do list why you want to do it what are the requirements of authentication that we're looking for which so like so like like talking from you know more that we suggest this or for that is what you mean if you know what you're looking for then you can say why these things are good or bad whether they cover all of the needs um you've made notes for instance like for instance like the static token files have a problem with rotation so my question to you is do we need rotation because we don't need rotation that isn't a problem for us in our use case and if we do then it kind of rules it out um so that's the question right you rather than list these things list what your perfect solution would include and then score these things according to that list okay I will try to think okay how to do it but yeah I mean other than that I mean there's I think um nothing too contentious here just a list of things that you should check you've remembered to do and uh that would seem like a perfectly reasonable thing for a best practice I don't think anyone would have any specific arguments with any of the things you're suggesting people do again with the single exception that this section at the bottom is a choice of four and you aren't making a recommendation so if you can't make a recommendation you could detail how the choice is made if you can choose one and say this is best or maybe two and say they have different strengths then that would make things better if you just list all four then you're not it's not a best practice because you're telling them what they could do you're telling them all of what they could do yeah yeah rather you know the emphasis was again so since as you say this is not really sometimes it's not our choice okay because there are different you know um you know pre-existing reasons okay to choose you know open ID or choose uh some kind of weapon-based authentication because you already have some kind of authentication uh system in place and and you want to stick with it and therefore I I feel I cannot make this decision but I can't tell that within this decision okay what to look for what can be the problems and what should be the best way to use it if someone decides to use it yeah I mean from that perspective you could say you know you're going to need an authentication mechanism it's a good practice to have one for the best reasons it's good practice to have one that doesn't require restarting the API server every time the credentials change it's good practice to have one where your where credentials can be revoked should they be problematic and so on and so forth those are good practices even if you can't necessarily make the choice on somebody else's behalf right right gotcha right I'm doing all the talking here I can't be the only one with an opinion Ildeco you're sitting there you're very quiet I think it's your turn I just joined like two minutes ago because I was on another call um I need more context anything about certificates and security practices whatever's on top of your mind no I'm just playing yeah can you give a quick highlight of so the conversation here so far is that uh Ben is proposing this as API security for the Kubernetes API these are the things that you should do um I think speaking personally that about 90 percent of this document is perfectly good common sense things that nobody would argue with right it have audit logs disable anonymous requests this is all sensible stuff there really isn't anything to quibble about they just need writing down and as such this is basically a um a best practice in the making and just writing it up in the best practice and committing it would be most of the work that's left here the only thing that remained that was an exception is that this section of the document about client authentication it makes a strong argument earlier that client authentication is necessary but here it doesn't list a way of doing the right way of doing client authentication which is fair because I don't think you would get everybody to agree on that um but I think maybe the best way is to say what the strengths of what strengths of authentication you are looking for because rather than basically listing under each of these categories this is good because this is bad because just say good authentication will include the following you know checklist items yeah I think I got it I mean um sorry go ahead yeah I just uh sorry I just don't want to tell you that I think I I get what it means by that tonight totally agree I just wanted to ask if it would maybe make sense to call these common practices if we say that that these are items that are that we are listing here that that are commonly used and therefore they are considered good practices as opposed to saying these are best practices to outline the scope of what the information is here and what we are shooting for unless we want to go into further evaluation and say that this is good this is bad um yes I mean it's a wording issue but yes I can see that I think it's fair to say that um we're going to run into this problem in other circumstances where what we would like to be listing is I have done a lot of NFE I have run a lot of these things and my my recommendation of everything I've tried that this is the best thing to do is X what we're saying here is um I have studied security implications of choices here and this is my recommendation of what is the best based on industry practice in related areas which isn't quite that thing so yeah if you've got any suggestions on that stick them in the meeting notes but um I appreciate your point no makes sense I just I just also know a few people who have reservations with saying best practices um so I just partially driven by that experience I wanted to throw that in as well just in case yeah yeah yeah I would I would personally rate it as the best thing we can think of at this point in time until we think of something better um but that's not how other people see this well then I could also say um maybe recommendations yeah from us who care about this stuff okay yeah I mean anyway um no no I don't want to do the discussion we can end this one here it was just a quick note yeah no that's fair and then don't don't sort of worry too much about that write your use user story um ildeco will review it and ildeco will figure out whether there's a good way of changing the terminology if it matters that much but um yeah um as I say I feel like sorry use your best practice actually you're writing but I feel like you're most of the way there with this yeah okay and and after you know I'm doing the corrections okay obviously I will have it for reviewing okay I will open a full request and we'll do the same for the other for for the other control plane components so cubelets and stuff the same ideas yeah that sounds great uh you're also welcome to refer to external um as long as they're well recorded and the link isn't likely to break refer to external instances of best practices nobody's pretending we have to write a copy of this for ourselves yeah sure something outside sure yeah okay um I rearranged because that was a specific and now we can go on to the general which is the pull request which I always hate so um right starting from the oldest Taylor you went through these extensively last week did you have anything to add to uh what's on here in terms of um comments or uh expected activities no I think that one stalled um we're waiting primarily on on Jeffrey to get through it which he had said in the last couple of weeks he was going to start working through this yeah I mean I can see there's a bunch of open discussed but unanswered comments so it looks to me like we're looking for for a change that takes them into account okay um you and I will take it on our um task list to go and corner Jeff and make him do some work and sounds good and I think like you said as the time shift we're going to start seeing more activity from him this um yeah I know he's found it rather difficult to make meetings in recent times um and hopefully the time shift will will basically make this slot free for him where otherwise he's a bit busy but yes um and now I have the guilty conscience because the next one is mine and I see it has 29 comments and I can tell you I have not read 29 comments um yeah I'm not going to give you a straight answer to this because I seriously haven't read this um I see pancake has been very busy oh yes and that's right there's a couple of odd grammatical bits as well but yeah so um I'm still reasonably comfortable with this I do think just skimming this that he's um talking about format rather than content which is sort of helpful um because it means that we're in roughly the right direction um I would welcome anybody else's comments um there is nothing wrong with having tons of comments on here and I promise that I will have a look at it this week and rewrite it to try and address the points that have been made um if you've got anything you want to ask while I'm actually standing right here then please go ahead otherwise we will move on to pull request number three which is the Stateful User Stories news cases um as I recall uh and again I have a guilty conscience because I was um stuck not being able to press the magic approved button on this um but as I recall you uh Taylor you were looking for five approvals here yeah um we had a few people saying that they would approve offline yes including me um can you does your aunt is it work right now for putting a thumbs up on it on the review click file changes or yeah whatever you have three at the moment you have me Tom and yourself anyone else who wishes to express their approval now would be a good moment um or at least in after this meeting if you want five minutes to actually work out what you're looking at um again what we're looking for here is um good enough not perfect so you know it's once it's in there it can be fixed and changed and reworded um but um it's never going to get in there until until we get as we currently want five reviewers um and Taylor you were talking about reducing the number of reviewers down to three and I think we have somewhat less of an active chord um quorum at the moment so maybe that would be a good idea if you want to propose that change to the governance file I started and then I realized that we got to update three or four files so I want to make sure it's um done right okay oh that's on my to do for this way yeah because we've just set the bar a bit too high for ourselves you finding five active people to give these documents for once over every week is a little bit too difficult um so yeah we just don't have come down a bit but other than that I mean um you're after one review um um uh I uh I noticed Watson hasn't said yes so you can go and corner Watson if he's um anywhere handy to be found but um yeah um well I'm not gonna call out anyone on this call that was said that they'd review it you just did it was me you've already done a date okay can we get anyone else um I'd go ahead anyone else had time to read through this I honestly I went through it okay from my point of view it was okay as I told before I didn't tell it was too much thing that I from security perspective I could have but I went to work it looked fine give it a thumbs up gonna comment I am happy to take an order a verbal approval as an approval for what it's worth it's it's on record um but that said Taylor you've got um you've got two failing unit tests so um I would rather you fix those before we actually committed it or else we break the trunk the branch uh um all right I think I'll and if you fix them and there's no material differences then I promised I will press the approve button for you right in fact I promise I pressed the merge button for you all right all right I'll do it I was gonna toss it back to Oliver to fix it but I'll I'll do it oh sorry you Oliver sorry I was forgetting this wasn't yours for whatever reason but yeah um I would imagine that they're a two-minute job so actually I may not be able to do it because I think it's over on his and I'd have to do a I'd probably say merge it now and then I will I'll work on a fix I'll start one immediately okay um yeah it's not going to be anything significant by the looks of it sorry I made a mess of that um all right let's just get this in you can squash merge that's fine I think there's anyone change here anyway there we go all right I'll go work on making it pass right okay I have now officially run out of uh pull requests so any other business because if there's no other business then you all have 25 minutes to write best practices and I expect one from each of you by the end of the day that would be wonderful isn't that well it's crafty I think I think it's the only way you find interesting things to talk about in the meeting or alternatively a best practice piece there's homework that seems like a good plan yeah all right well um thank you for your time it is 835 ish so um we've managed that in half an hour all good and I will see you all again next week sounds good thanks everyone bye bye thank you everyone thank you bye


Ewww, uh, Coronavirus.  Coronaviruses! And you can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, juicy content. Thank you very much for supporting us on Patreon. Patreon, we appreciate your patronage, and following our official Twitter account. Ring the bell to be heard notification squad. Bang! To get all those sweet notifications. Ooh, he's banging. And follow us on our personal channels as well. There's different stuff going on there. Yep. Hopefully Rick's link is working. We'll see. Yep. Sometimes it's working, but it's always in the description. Or just search Rick Siegel if it doesn't work. That's all you have to do. Anyways, today we are doing a movie review of our fourth Millalium film. Hey, have you been keeping track? Huh? You've been keeping track of our fourth? Well, yeah, because we've got the biology nights, virus, the last one, and then this one. The last one, which is pretty good luck with that one. I'm not saying that one. But also, I know I mispronounce Millalium every single time, but I never remember how to say it and then I'm sorry. Every single time? No. It's not Millalium. I don't know if you're saying it right. I know I say it wrong every single time. Anyways. But this is our first venture into the legendary actima of the industry. Say his name. Mahonoh? Is that the correct pronunciation, guys? Because I'm not 100% sure. But I think we've seen him actually in some trailers, I believe, I could be totally wrong, but I think we've seen him in trailers. But this is our first venture into him.  They sent us this one and then we got to see, notice the, we did the reaction to the Dancing Eyes. Remember that one, Rick? I'm 100% knew, which was from here. Yeah. And now I feel like Lucifer, I think he was, he was in Lucifer and we reacted to that trailer. Anyway. Yeah, and we've been getting tons of requests for a long time from folks saying, please react to him, he's a legend. He's like the big B of South India. So we wanted to do it for his birthday because today's his birthday, so happy birthday to you, sir. Happy birthday, sir. But so this will be 100% spoilers. We came out in 1999, if you haven't seen it, go watch it, come back, please. Thank you so much. Yep. But it's called Vana Prastham, right? I think so. An illicit relationship between Kaothakali dancer and a young woman from an uppercast family results in an illegitimate child. He faces hardship when she refuses to let him see their child. And it's directed by Saraji in Karun. And I believe, unless it's the, yep, it was composed by the wonderful- Saraji Sakhir Hussein. Saraji Sakhir Hussein. And when I heard those little sweet little fingers on those tablets, I knew exactly who it was. Anyways, so Rick, initial thoughts? I'm actually trying to find it. I've got, there it is. I was looking for it to make sure I'm looking at all the right credits on IMDB for him, especially for Mohanlal, who please help us if we're mispronouncing the legend's name. So on the one hand, I feel like she was maybe 75% of the film. I couldn't even begin to appreciate cause I'm so ignorant to all of the richness of what they were referring to with all of the references to the characters of Arjun and the story behind Krishna and what the director, I am sure, and what Saraji Sakhir Hussein were doing and what was being done by the actors in terms of being reverent to it or doing something. I really felt on the one hand, I need to come back in 10 years after I have a deeper, better understanding about all of the richness of that history. Even something as simple as being able to recognize his portrayal. We said this in the reaction to the trailer. We know nothing about that art form of that style of acting and performing so we don't have anything to compare it to other than to say, looks believable to me, you know what I mean? But on the other hand, putting that aside, I really enjoyed watching it. I enjoyed watching him. I thought he was very believable. I thought the ladies who played opposite him were very believable. I had like most films we often see with a lot of the supporting people I didn't have a great time with but the majority of the leads and especially him, I'm pleased to say I could see what people were talking about in terms of his emotional availability, his believability, I didn't see indicating. So on the whole, I really liked it and looking forward to the day I love it which will probably be when I know a lot more about the culture and the references. Does that make sense? So yeah, 100% and I agree with you. I really actually enjoyed the film. It was a very artsy film. It's what it felt like. It almost like a French film sometimes. Great example. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Almost like a French film in terms of- You're absolutely right. It's very slow and it's all about these small nuanced performances of the actors. And he was, I felt like really beautiful in this. I agree. I thought he did really nice work. He gave me, one, he looks, not his acting style but he looks like John Belushi a little bit. You're absolutely right. Like in, what was that movie? The party one. What is it called? Animal House. Animal House. It almost looked like him just with long hair in Animal House sometimes. Not the actor, that guy's a comic legend but they just look like him. But his acting style reminded me actually a lot of Marlon Brando and James Dean a little bit. Yeah, I would agree. His acting style, very small and nuanced. But you could, there was always something going on behind his eyes. Behind the eyes, yep. And that's the mark of a great actor when you can tell something's going on and he doesn't have to do anything. He's not indicating I'm sad or stuff like that. That's my favorite thing about his performance is the fact that I saw, like I said a second ago, there was zero indicating, there was zero cliche. It felt deeply grounded. It felt like his process is very much rooted in method or as Shia says, method adjacent. Method adjacent, yeah. And the kind of acting that we like, the kind of grounded, even when he was doing the art form which what we know about it is very, it's facially exaggerated. Yeah. I could see what was going on with his character. Like when he said, I'm not gonna play characters anymore that are soft and emoting soft emotions.  And he started to do that. I could see the rage that was going on inside the man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I totally agree with you in terms of there's just some stuff that I, in our young ignorance of the culture and this felt deeply in the culture of Malolium or I believe they were in Karnataka most of the time, I believe. I could be totally wrong. I don't know. But obviously in that art form and everything like that, it felt deeply in the culture of it. And in terms of the way they talked about religion, about stuff like, and honestly, it took me a while to figure out the reason that they didn't want to be, it was because of cast. It took me a second. I thought it was like, I thought it was something else that they- I figured that out, I figured that out unfortunately by reason of I thought, I thought both of the ladies, his wife that he has, I thought she was just a beautiful, beautiful lady. And I thought she did good work with what she was given. And I saw just in a lot of things, I could tell that that was an arranged marriage that he had been put into and that it was from a lower cast and that the other woman, his love interest, Subhadra, that she was wealthy and was from an upper cast. What I didn't pick up on initially was that the reason he hadn't seen the child for so long was by her choosing. And I actually, I wanted to know so much of what was being referenced that I went, I looked up the histories of Arjun and all of the story behind that. And from the original Sanskrit and this, there's just, it's encyclopedic, the amount of information that's in there. It felt like, I don't know, you remember when you were a little kid and the adults are talking and you know, it's important. Yeah.  I felt like that watching this. I was like, I want to, this is important. And I feel like I should know what this is. And I'd have no idea what they're talking about. Yeah. And obviously we could appreciate the norm like the human aspects of it. They have like, they're in a relationship and he's having an affair with a person. I actually thought what the director did, one with, and the cinematographer with a lot of the cuts was genius. Really nice. I like, there was a ton of cuts in this that were just so good. Like the one with the flames that it kind of went back to the flames but then it kept going back to them. And then I thought it was beautifully, like I had to figure out for a second. I was like, okay, wait, what? When they had sex, but she had all the green stuff all over her face. I thought that was genius. Beautiful. Uh-huh. Yeah. The influence and the way they did it to indicate that's what just happened. I thought it was so, so good. I thought both the fact that his colors were all over her and also the way she was reacting, her response was so, for lack of a better term, her response was so overwhelmingly post-coital warmth and like luxuriating and almost drunk and basking in what she got to experience. And I also thought it was a beautiful, it was simple but a beautiful thing the director did when she's watching him perform and he has the woman character with him and he slowly turns and then comes around and it's her. Yeah. I thought that was really delightful.  I thought the scene where they weren't even talking to each other, they were moving through the motions to show this connection. Yeah, that was a great, I didn't understand well obviously what they were saying but I was like, this is quite beautiful. Won the shot and the symbolism of it all. I thought was genius and I thought that actress throughout the film did a phenomenal job in portraying it. Yeah, I'm like you though. It was like, parts of it is just our young ignorance. I don't know the culture as well as we'd like to. And so obviously if we did, I feel like we'd pick up on a lot more and we'd like it even more. And like I said, we like this film, I believe. I believe that you like this film as well. It's just, obviously this is one that I feel like you will appreciate it even more if you know the stories. So like most of the times the story that they were talking about, we had no idea what that story was. This is kind of a, it's maybe a lame comparison or maybe it'll work.   Those are for the adults. Because there's a lot of jokes that go way over a kid's head in the Looney Tunes stuff. And then when you're older, you realize, oh, that's what they were doing there. That's funny. Yeah. As a kid who's saying score, I thought was, one of my favorite things about the score was how hauntingly distant everything sounded. And he did for the score, it reminded me a lot of the way Satya Jitrai, and I don't know, we reference him a lot, but the way he used music so simply and so atmospherically, this had that feeling. It felt like they were going more for an ambiance and a sense of you being immersed in this world and this place. And it also helped that this art form is dependent upon so much of the playing of instruments like that. Yeah, I felt multiple times in this like it was almost Satya Jitrai-esque. I felt multiple times while watching it, and that's a compliment, because it felt almost like you were watching a fly on the wall sometimes, which is really a great form of film that you can just sit and watch and be fully entertained and also just like watching great performers perform, which is a wonderful treat to behold. And so I'm glad we got to watch it, even though I'm sure we missed so much of the film in terms of like what exactly they were talking about and the little nuances of it, just because we're dumb. Yeah, and it encourages me to get to know more about the stories and over time, I absolutely, I really mean that. And maybe five years to revisit this and after having learned so much more. And the walk away from me, because we've been hearing so much about Mahanlal and the legend that this guy is. So I think we came in with freaking high expectations for this guy to knock it out of the park. People, because every single time we watch a Malalium film, sorry, I don't know how to say it, a film, and we especially like we rave about Fahat Faseel and we think he's a phenomenal actor. And then people like, Fahat Faseel is a kid compared to, I think this is a quote, Fahat Faseel is a kid compared to Mahanlal or whatever his name is. Like that's, you're setting the bar really, really high. That's one of our favorite actors or at least one of my favorite actors that we've seen out of India. And I think he's so, so talented to call him a kid compared to somebody else. I don't know if that is the correct assessment of that. I know what you're saying. Well, it is as far as his resume, that's for sure. For sure, for sure. But yeah, he's a phenomenal actor. I would love to explore him more. And I know there's, she has so, so much work. And so down below, please let us know what his next film should be. I don't know, because I think this one was recommended to us the most, but I know he has a ton. And so- Yeah, he's got a huge resume. His resume is as big as, I don't know about John Man. It's just massive. Yeah, so let us know what else of his we should watch. Next, what is his best performance? What is his best film? Because obviously sometimes those two don't coincide all the times. No, but you gave him about as, for those of you who wouldn't know, I think the majority of you would, and I wouldn't disagree at all. Corbin gave him about as high a compliment as you can get in terms of his naturalness and what's going on by actually putting his name in the same sentences Marlon Brando and James Dean, because that's about as natural as it gets. Yeah. Yeah. And then again, just as a closing point, I hope I pronounced her name right. So Hasini, who played Subradra. Ah, phenomenal, yeah. Yeah, I thought she was, I was waiting. This is a role that she could have easily, and it's a testament to the director as well. It's a role that could have easily gone over the top and cliched. And I didn't feel that she did that at all. And I got the fact that she had become infatuated with the character more than she had become in love with the man. And I got the heartbreak she felt at the end without it being some kind of a cliche. So those lead actors were for me and the directing and the score were what made this thing so enjoyable. And I can't wait to watch it again when we know a whole lot more. Yeah, so let us know down below what next Malolim film and also his or her films that we should watch next down below so we can explore the man and the legend more. Happy birthday also. Happy birthday.


So, is fossil record, geological record or those observations which Darwin recorded on the Galapagos Islands, based on that he proposed his theory and he published his book of region of species in 1859. In this theory there are major four different postulates and each postulate describes the driving force behind the evolution. So these four driving forces or these postulates we will discuss one by one. First one is competition. So Darwin was also familiar with the pressure of population on natural resources. Darwin has proposed his theory of population pressure and this is a theory which we have discussed in the previous lectures when we were discussing about the population size. So we know when the population size is increasing, it exerts pressure on the resources. The increasing population size, these individuals they are consuming resources but the resources are limited. They would support the increase in population to certain limit but after that the population size increase will stop. And then there is a termination or a decrease in the size of population. So what's up organisms which are present most of them in one habitat they have greater reproductive potential as compared to the bigger animals. So mostly all these smaller animals until the level of the birds they have a greater reproductive potential. For example a female sea star it could releases about 1 million eggs each season. So if we assume that 1 million eggs all of them are fertilized, all of them develop and then they get opportunity to develop into adults. They become mature and all these 1 million are capable of reproducing and producing 1 million eggs again or the 1 million animals again in the next generation. So there would be a drastic increase in the population size in all these species which are reproducing with the greater potential. As a population size is so drastic increase there would be an unimaginable resource problems there would be an unimaginable pressure on the resources present in that environment. So these limited resources and increasing population sizes they create competition between the species or among the individuals of same species. So we have two different types of competitions. One is intraspecific, the other one is intraspecific competition which is happening between two or more than two different species present in that habitat. So they all are competing for food, for the shelter, for all these climatic resources which are available in that habitat and they need a place and a shelter for the reproduction and for their offspring. So there is a very tough competition when the population size has increased. So to understand this process of competition we can study here it's again the Galapagos finches. The only example like number of finches is higher and then it is increasing with the passage of the time. But once those resources climatic resources are not favourable because there was a drought conditions in Galapagos island during 1977 or this dry conditions ki wajah se waha par food resources they or water resources they were dropped or there was a direct there is a direct linkage association between climatic factors and size of population. Toh jab climatic factors ya temperature conditions or food ki availability is not sporting increase in population so there was a decrease in size of population. That is because this decrease or the drop is because of lesser availability of resources available in that habitat. But in 1978 jabi drought conditions improved mi uske saath hi population size dubhara se improve hona shuro gaya but it couldn't reach up to that limit. Because there is a big proportion of individuals or the populations joke in 1977 mi reduce ho gaya. So now the resources are gradually increasing and the population is gradually increasing. So that one driving force which is called the competition and this competition is responsible for bringing the evolution in.