سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وسلم وبرك وعبارك وعباركم وحببنا وطليبنا وشفيننا وواقيدنا وقرت بها ناسي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم وانا افتر تموره سيدي شيخ سامر will give us the gift of linking us to رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم والنقص out by the Imam Nubahani which is called the 40 of 40 there is something very important that to collect 40 حديس of a lot of reward the maybe should you remember the it's not that of the reward of having 40 so that's why Imam now we have the 40 everybody now we are 40 40 40 right so the Imam Nubahani he selected 40 فهي كان قاضي، كان جدج، كان قوم، كان اديب، يعني ماذا يعني؟ قوية. فهي قلت لترتيور؟ نعم، نعم، فهي قلت لترتيور، نعم. وكانت فقي، وكانت صوفي. ذكره. وكانه واحد من خلقه وخلقه الصلى الله عليه وسلم فهي كان يوانن مده ر. وكانه من القرآن، وقرر من الآزاء الفرن. أنه يربز في بلسطين، وكانه إطباء في جينيه، now جينيه حصل فيه. ثم كانت أمام الكورت في لاتغية ثم كانت أمام الكورت في قدس ثم كانت أمام الكورت في لبنون وقلت في لبنون وصحالة سيد الشخصائم وعاطف وميسان وقلت بهم في لبنون هذا جميل لدينا باركة فيه أحاول أن أحاول أن أجد أمام الكورت وأنه لدينا الكثير من الكورت لدينا أمام الكورت في الواقع التي أخبرتها ومع الكثير منهم يقومون بشكل سيد السلام ويترك كما سعادة الدارين في الصلاة في الصلاة على سيد كوني في الصلاة على سيد كوني لدينا الكثير من الأمام ومع هذه الأمام يقومون بشكل سيد السلام وقمت بكل الصلاة من بعض الأولياء وكل الصلاة التي تدعمها ويخبرونكم سيد السلام أن هذا سيقوم بجيب كهذا يمكنكم رأيها الصلاة ويحصل على القدس ومع هذا ونسأل أنه لدينا الكثير من الكورت بشكل سيد وإذا كنا مجردنا ترحي كورت إذا كان one of them is he collected this 40 or 40. now what I learned from Sayyidi Shaykh Samir which is this hadith that Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم said كُلُّ سَبَبٍ وَنَسَبٍ وَصِهْرٍ من قطع يوم القيامة إلا سَبَذِ وَنَسَذِ وَصِهْرِ On the day of judgment all the ways and connection been cut except the ways and connection to Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم And all the family's lineage is cut in the day of judgment except the lineage to Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم And all the marriage to family is cut in the day of judgment except the marriage to the family of Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم By this we have the option of to have a sabab and the sabab can be one of several things Like the sabab can be loving Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم that's a sabab It will be on the day of judgment you will see it Doing sabab at Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم is a sabab Now link yourself through hearing a hadith from your sheikh from his sheikh from his sheikh from his sheikh up to Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم Is another sabab So you already have a connection on the day of judgment you come and say yes I have this link to Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم That will not be cut that's why the people of Quran they are the heights of people of the Ahlullah because why He got his Quran from his sheikh from his sheikh from the Sahabi who made the Quran from Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم From Sayyidina Jibril from Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala And that's the link of the Quran and the senate So insha'Allah we are lucky in this weekend to all of us to hear from Sayyidi Sheikh Samir who have the Ijazah from all the Ahlullahs of Imam Nabahani And this Ijazah will give us link to his sheikh to his sheikh and go through Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم And the two topics that been selected to this weekend From one side is the Quran as well as the other Sayyidi Sheikh Samir always give us this hadith that remind us all of us صلو اللذي بينكم بين ربكم أستابعش a connection between you and Allah by two things By doing a lot of theكر اللاكثيان Doing a lot of theكر والله سبحانه وتعالى And by the صدق صرا وعلانية By doing charity in the public and hidden These two things as رفع صلى الله عليه وسلم told us That's you establish a connection between you and Allah سبحانه وتعالى صلو اللذي بينكم بين ربكم Then the right of us to All the broken things in your life will be fixed You get victory And then you get sustenance By doing this So one of these books is And you will see the 40 hadiths that Imam Nabahani selected Of the virtue of the The other one is What goes in our heart to please our heart That we have a joy in it In this dunya and the akra Is a shafa'a for the peace of Allah Is a shafa'a And this is where all the creation They wish to get this shafa'a And this ummah get the maximum of this shafa'a And this I just wanted to To share this with everybody Insha'Allah And we'll get you Sayyidi Sheikh Samir to give us his But of course he wants to share with us Your relationship with Imam Nabahani بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمد لله رب العالمين الحمد لله الحمد لله نوافين وعباه وكافي ومزيدة يا ربنا لك الحمد كما ينبغي لي جلالي وجيك وعظيم سلطانك سبحانك لا نحصي سناء أن عليك أنت كما أثنيت على نفسك نستغفرك ونطبلك The type of intercession You know It differs from one to another You know And the Prophet ﷺ holds all of them You know And has been specialized You know in some of them You know And in Sahih Muslim You know Narrated by Oubay Ibn Ka'ab That A person has different Qira And another person has different Qira And he brought them to the Prophet ﷺ And he said To first one you know Recite Quran You know And he recited the same recitation You know And he Asked the other one To recite Quran And he recited the same recitation Oubay Ibn Ka'ab He is honest man Truthful man You know He has doubt Not similar to today's You know Of Jahlia And the Prophet ﷺ Didn't know the soul And he Pushed him You know In a heart You know In his chest You know And or breast You know And He became sweaty You know And As if he is Looking to Allah And he said Oubay I have I have a command You know To Make my nation Recite on one letter You know And he Said He said Get more ولك بكل يردت وردت تانيها دعوة مستجابة that means whenever you sense a Najib read to Allah سبحانه وتعالى you have accepted a sublication and he said صلى الله عليه وسلم الله مهفل أمتي الله مهفل أمتي and he postponed the third one you know till the day you know في يوم ينرغبوا إلي الخلاق وكلهم حتى إبراهيم that means this greatest you know شفاعة and this limited to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم لا أعرف أخرى المفتاحين لن يبدأ هذا شفاعة and they know the event of it you know the people you know of that مقام you know they know the event you know of it and the result you know of it you know that they will go to hellfire you know because of of horrified you know position you know they were not able and the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم he postponed the third you know to that particular day you know in another word you know the special intercession you know you may share you know with the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم the others you know it's especially you know for the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and the easiest one in my view to make 10 صلاوات على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم morning and the evening دركة وشفاعة يوم القيامة that means you know he is going to intercede for you and it's written you know in Masjid نبو الشيف شفاعة الهلكبائر من أمتي that the people you know who commit enormities you know to be honest with you my mind you know doesn't fit you know such a thing you know but the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم has established you know and Imam نواوي he did answer you know this you know when you ask the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم intercession you know not necessary to be one commit on here enormity you know because that we have higher rank you know in that intercession you know of that regard وصل الله على سيدنا محمد وعلى آريو صحبي وسلم يعني I don't have a specific you know relationship you know but but the books you know of Imam نبهاني he collected you know that the prom you know that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was praised you know and the other time not prom you know which was praised you know at him you know toward him you know and he بس of them you know have a very strong connection with the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم personally I feel Imam نبهاني has one of the strongest connection you know of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and he has very strong you know connection with the Awliya you know in his time you know اه that's that's make him you know and when he according to Abu A'atif you know was judge you know he was assigned you know to because because our sheikh you know taught us you know of that procedure يعني it took to be tough just to get the right weed and the right song yes yes because the personally you know I don't imagine you know the wording of Allah سبحانه وتعالى to be among us you know and the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم made it available you know سيدي the hadith that mentioned that it's a long hadith that people in the battlefield and they they need victory and said anybody who have seen who have seen who have seen who have seen the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and the person will say I have seen I have seen the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and by that they get victory so that mother of CD does it goes until now let's hope you know such a thing you know even though the the apparent you know statement you know of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم it goes you know for three or four generation you know you have controversy you know by the narrators there is a a senate by an action like there is a senate but I don't remember the exact word كما خلصه صلى الله عليه وسلم يعني من شاب صافحني وشابكني وصافحة ومشابكني ومقيامة دخل الجنة is that this is we called you know in must Allah حديث مسلسل you know and and I haven't studied such a hadith but the other muscle city that you have it goes until the day of judgment right it's muscle cell أول برحمة لول سون المسلسل بالأولية ended you know by Sufyan and you name it to my knowledge you know he was not you know but he gain Islamic knowledge for he went to Azhar برسولي I don't know them you know but perhaps someone you know they he knows them or she knows yeah definitely because he died in 1932 yeah so he born in 1989 so probably the family is still there say the what's your advice for all of us and I think tomorrow the session and the first book and the first book is the liquor and the second one what should we try to to to get in our heart from this feel the importance you know of such a thing you know and make salawat you know on the Prophet say they used to say that if I'm not mistaken he was that's right سلطان العاشي خين is ابن الفارد is there any luck up to him I'm not that I know of why he emphasized he collected all this I had he's like Sa'adah to the right because he was a poet you know and he collected you know praising the Prophet سلطان العاشي خين or Arabic languages you know and letters برسولي you know I I see Imam now with the the collection you know of 40 حديس you know I considered them you know these 40 حديس you know as a rule you know of of something you know رول افقه رول رول of love or you name it you know and I admire you know the خلقشي you know of I gave them her time you know and and because my my my trial you know it it's you know some people you know who and you know and namely in the UK you know and he he he made made you know of you know and that's a particular you know he doesn't make you know برسولي you know رواية حفظ is the simple one you know and and has you know the least rules you know and I think people you know they go towards you know what you know is the most difficult one you know after that from the sister side okay here I'm coming to you brother السلام عليكم everybody عليكم السلام عليكم بطول I have you guys confusion is so you thought if asked a question that people who have seen Prophet Muhammad and who has seen that person that person and the chain and whenever they went into fight they will get victory إن شاء الله now the question is you guys got me confused does that you know the the cell or the chain if the chain is broken then what you know they said if somebody has a son in reading reciting Quran or be a scholar of حديس does he you know is he equivalent to the who has seen Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم he said you know we should read the حسن الظن من حسن العبادة that's what we have good thought you know about الله سبحان تعالى and this is part you know of حسن العبادة but but I think that chain you know is is going to to make it more more emphasized you know I'm so fighting I'm still not clear so does the the person who has a son of حديس or Quran does he goes into a battle and the victory comes or is just it ended when the last person who saw the person who saw his relation with let's say let's put this word you know his relation with الله and his messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم is will be much better you know no fighting you know nothing you know in in in battles yeah already okay by okay confusion thank you thank you very much for your time you're welcome سيسترس بردرس just raise your hand I'll come with the mic to you my my follow-up question you can go first though not that I know of you know love of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم he's very recognized you know about his knowledge you know in الله سبحان تعالى whereas in نبهاني I I don't see it see such a thing people people you know I know some out here you know who used to take care you know of Imam نبهاني my follow-up question is for memorizing Quran not so much like the actual strategy of repeating eyes or such but in terms of spiritually do you have advice for someone who's trying to complete I advise you know صلاة حفظ القرآن which is mentioned you know by Imam ترميزي and مستدرك الحاكم and is that just similar to قيام الليل where it's just توراك از توراك از توراك you have controversial you know about توراك از او فوراك از and you have a specific after it you know which for for current life you know I see you know quite working and the دعا the name of the دعا would be دعا دعا حفظ القرآن صلاة حفظ القرآن and after that you know after you pray فوراك از you know you make دعا جزاك الله يعني I I I see it you know ايش point you know or each sentence you know of it you know has a practical point you know of for example you know we wasted that time you know by by internet you know and you name it you know and ورزق قلبي حفظ كتابك that's me you know اه and this is has been illustrated you know by سيد عسوان ابن عثان if you know the wording you know of الله we are not going to feel our stomach you know full you know of of wording of الله if you know that you need several notes for that and then حفظ of قرآن and حفظ of حديث together is is still the current state of umile like that say we are we still consider I read you know about أبو الحسن الحصبي he mentioned you know انغاية النهاية written by ابن الجزا للطبقات القرآن you know سيد شيخ you know he has repeated you know 90 times you know that the seven قرآن you know personally I don't and you don't feel as such 90 يعني basically it's a matter you know of training say uh for intercession uh some people now think that if you need um like a واصل if you need if you need something in the government and operation and you need someone you know inside it's a sign of corruption how do we not think of it that way and think of intercession as something that's naturally by الله he designed it that way and we need it and without it there is no salvation without that intercession you should know that the person you know that the and the examples you know in this life you know if we don't know that that person you know or you know you you know uh you didn't know that the importance of that particular person you know in in this one so you know establishment you know and we are personally we are all corrupted see is there a verse that said it no I I mentioned you know سيد نعيسة وجيه في الدنيا والآخرة الله سبحانه وتعالى his was I never forget you know such a person سيد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تول سيد تول صحابة ان ده حديس أحب الله بكل قلوبكم what's that mean this mean you know a person you know has a room you know in his heart you know and the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم he said you know what's related to Allah سبحانه وتعالى they should be loved so the verse I think you know intercession so is that mean our حديث صلى الله عليه وسلم not necessary because in some are these you know شفاعة الأنبياء وشفاعة الملائكة وشفاعة العلماء and the Qur'an is going to one of the wasila also consider a prophet will have a wasila for the generation three generations like that so you to to best you know of my knowledge you know that that that it was mentioned you know in the حديث حافظ القرآن is going to make intercession for 14 of persons you know all of them they used to go to hell fire awesome like them so just for the just for clarity possibly going forward whenever you use Arabic terminology maybe for people who are newer to the dean could you explain what that terminology means and the importance of it I'm not necessarily new to the dean but I've recommended this class for other people to tune in who are new so just for the clarity of newer Muslims could you clarify what that Arabic terminology means the importance of it and what it should mean to them specifically just going forward whenever you use it I think it's very important you know to know 40 حديث you know of of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم you know 40 is chosen for most of the حديث the collections are of 40 40 40 what is the significance of 40 sayyidi this has been mentioned you know Imam Nawawi he said you know even though this حديث ضعيف you know that's main week you know but but in فضائل عمل that's mean you know when you have a job you know that that you may use that such a حديث so 40 number has a significant sayyidi for the حديث collection he mentioned صلى الله عليه وسلم this in week حديث الله أكبر جزاكم أخي صلى الله عليه وسلم sayyidi um check samar um it wasn't until uh sometime as a Muslim that um I learned or you know I saw people um doing a lot of صلى الله عليه وسلم so I didn't know what it was you know is it a very important thing in Islam or not or so anyways you know they would focus and teach you know basic good good basics um but I'm wondering um you know because we see things like right now and in in غزة they say like you know there's many who far there and so maybe we see some of the good that's happening because all those are people of Quran and maybe that's you know spreading Islam around the world something like that you know I don't know but in America maybe we don't have a lot of صلى الله عليه وسلم so maybe you can tell us something what you think how the صلى الله عليه وسلم can benefit us because you are busy in this life you know and then this this is you know has been instructed by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is that في الدنيا يحبك الله وزات في مائد الناس يحبك الناس that's mean you know to upstain you know uh دنيا الله سبحانه وتعالى is going to love you and uh to upstain whatever you know in the hands you know of people you know the the people will love you يجلس the benefit benefit يعني firstly you know in Quran uh plenty of the car you know has been mentioned you know you you you hardly ever you know uh see and anything you know that that the quran you know is except the car الله سبحانه وتعالى you have a plenty you know and you plenty of صلاوات you know in in the some hadith you know اكسر من صلاة عليه يوم الجمعة plenty have a plenty the beginning you know of hadith you know the importance of جمع and some narration you know that the the the deeds you know will be exposed to الله سبحانه وتعالى for reading a word every day of quran are there صورة that you suggest and are there particular times you suggest us to read them personally i suggest you know that that the one is closer to your heart صلاة عليكم شيخ عليكم سلام when to continue on the uh half is uh half is the quran uh you mentioned um is there a specific time recommended for that uh difference from one person you know to another you know and i i think the specific time you know because the the the people they find you know it's easy to to have the quran you know but they found you know it's difficult to know to to keep up you know uh with with such amount you know of quran you you know and night prayer you know i suggest it i suggest you know such a question on the with the prayer say the so um after ishaan do we uh some of the people finish their with immediately some of them take that to the end of the night uh can in between is there any is there any um نوافل can be prayed or it's not recommended no it's recommended you know because إمام الغزادي consider you know after thing after isha prayer you whatever you pray you know it's night is considered you know as not night prayer even if you pray yes yes سلام عليكم عليكم السلام what if you pray isha and then you wait till the end from the night and then you pray the hajj and then wait there like is that praying like praying the entire night is that the reward it differs you know between sayنا أمكر and sayنا عمر because sayنا عمر he used to to pray you know at the end you know of the hajj of we don't call the hajj you know the hajj is by the by arabic definition you know the one who wake up you know night prayer we call we call it you know and it differs you know between sayنا أمكر and sayنا عمر so if you if you go back to sleep after isha and then you wake up you know for the hajj you know the the prophet ﷺ highly recommended you know to to make that the very last you know ركعات you know of water you know on that regard okay thank you because sayنا أمكر صديق he used to pray with you know before sleeping you know sayنا أمر delay it till the end you know of the night you know and the the prophet ﷺ admire both of them you know he said this sayنا أمكر أخست بالوصق that's mean you know to be in safe side you know and he told sayنا أمر الخطاب that أخست بالقوة that's mean you know you used you know your strength سلام عليكم صديق I have a question back on the شفاعة or the intercession of the prophet ﷺ is the intercession for the entire umma of the prophet ﷺ even for someone that maybe did not honor or love the prophet ﷺ um the way it is recommended in the religion this you know that for the entire creation you know and humankind you know that the prophet this is special for him you know and then you know you have type you know of intercession you know according according سلام عليكم صديق the intercession of the prophet ﷺ is it the same for every Muslim or will certain people have a special intercession you have special intercession you know as I illustrated you know to to to make salawat on the prophet ﷺ 10 times you know in the morning and 10 times in the evening special intercession and and another hadith is the intercession you know will be to to the one perform you know enormities جزاك لخير صديق see the if the if the Muslim if if they're not of the same جماعة for someone to believe in the prophet ﷺ in the same way if he's as of today if he's considered outside of أحل السنة والجماعة is that intercession for all of the sects of Islam or specific to the sect a person you know so so so the prophets here the prophet ﷺ say عليكم السلام for for not أهل السنة والجماعة and you name it you know and this I cannot you know on on my seat you know to to limit the intercession or no of the prophet ﷺ can you give us some nasiha some advice as we're in the month of Rajab any type of um preparation as we get ready for Ramadan today's the first night of Rajab شاء الله any nasiha anything that we can do so we can not say how else given you know to to feel the importance you know of get connection to the prophet ﷺ سلام عليكم سيدي عليكم السلام um if I want to start learning about حديث uh where's a good place to start should I start by reading like سهي بخاري or سهي مسلم like a big book or should I start reading smaller books like 40 حديث كامل ايش it's a matter you know of training you know and no no one you know you have the generators you know uh the knowledge of نارترز you know it's it's a matter of training سهي بخارج السلام عليكم again عليكم السلام عليكم السلام عليكم السلام عليكم السلام عليكم everybody uh we are in the age of shortcuts everybody talks about intercession of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and in my opinion I think this is we are looking for a get out of jail card سو would you explain that that you know there are there are no get out of jail card if you want this would have been سهي سلام's intercession you have to do سلامات you have to say five prayers and do the first and then you look at the get out of jail card so I would like for you to lose uh you know throw little I'm sorry you know to to to differ with you about that you know the Prophet ﷺ تصميم كلهم they are his nation you know correct yeah and he he intercede for all creation yes yes I personally you know I believe in such a thing you know so is what you're saying for us as Muslims to do our absolute best to live up to the standards and ethics that Islam provides for us so as you know as we are alive you know we should limit ourselves you know to to the command you know and prohibition you know and الله سبحانه وتعالى is absolute no one has the right you know to to to argue with الله سبحانه وتعالى as long as we are alive you know we are limited our نفسك you know to to that commands you know and prohibitions you know um in reference to what the ahi said about how to start learning about حديث right whether to use like a big book like صاحي مسلم or صاحي بوحدي um in in terms of not necessarily choosing a narrator or a narration but from your opinion what which I guess narrators or narrations are the least um let's say authentic or agreed upon or the chain of narration and teaching and سكولرشب has been weakened or damaged what should we avoid basically a lot of narrations you know and i i call it art you know of narration you know and and imam malik he said you know these columns you know the the them the old mosque you know that that that that that has been you know if they are responsible for no format for a huge amount of money they they are going to be as such you know but but the art of narration is not there and personally you know i i have a clinic you know and some someone bring three stories you know and they personally i don't feel that they intended you know to to lie you know but but but but they don't have the art of narration by the way you know someone criticized and within 10 minutes you know he has 10 mistakes you know and the narration the sir over there said that um and you deferred with him and you said that the intercession is for every for for this nation so if we are going to believe this that the holy prophet is going to intercede for us so why will we make efforts in this dunya because we know that we are because imam now we illustrated you know not necessary to to have intercession to be commit you know enormity is because the high people you know they have intercession you know even so i do not understand okay explain please for her so there is different type of intercession some people the divers they need intercession to um reduce their perishment some people they need intercession to really be able to enter paradise and there is the special people for intercession will get them in the higher level and higher level and higher level there is intercession to be with رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم there is intercession when we sit to see Allah this all degrees that a lot of degrees that you might get intercession depend on your relation with رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم and your closeness but if somebody is really far and he did a cabare a big sense then رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم will take him but it's not like the one who is like the way you do it السلام عليكم سيدا أفوان i actually just wanted to offer possibly you can you will reflect if this is a good suggestion about the questions around حديث we went through the البيقونية with you which is أخلا خير and i'll say that for myself i really benefited a lot from that program going back through the notes and you you you begin to humble yourself to the tradition of حديث by understanding how vast it really is you know and just to learn about the levels of authenticity and what each level means and what each level entails perhaps is more important than being advised about a particular collection of حديث to begin what do you think say i i think this is this science you know of حديث you know the same as any science you know the one who is experienced you know is going to have you know much more knowledge you know that than than the person بيقونية by the way you know it's the least you know text you know used you know for مصطلح إن شاء الله if there is like one or two more questions i'll have one quick question i've heard that there are multiple gratings of حديث and different frameworks have been استبع to grade them could you go through the grades quickly or maybe a couple of the grades and explain how they're used in فق or in creating rulings it's you authentic you know حديث you know it's the top you know and weak حديث you know is the least you know amount you know of حديث can you still benefit from them like are you still allowed to oh are you still لد to benefit from weak حديث like take knowledge from it and use it in your life the weak حديث you know you you may you know for the deeds you know فضائل العمال you know that they called favorite you know deeds you know you you may use the weak حديث you know and the second point you know you you learn that this is weak you know according to the اشخاص for you for tomorrow شاء الله الحمد لله جزاك الله خير سيدي


Well first off, happy new year. I think you can still say that on the 9th of the month, but when you haven't seen someone in a while, we're going to say you can still get away with it on the 9th. I think I once had someone say happy new year to me like last week of February, so you know these things are flexible. But anyhow, I hope everyone had a restful break, although maybe not too restful because we did say we're going to be doing some work during the break, and I know at least from my subgroup that we definitely were. And I suspect that's the case with all the groups. So I guess first things first, do you want, I mean you sort of unofficially did it, but do you want to call the roll so we can take attendance? Sure, I would love to do that. So Mike Guild's game. Here. Yep. Leslie Mayer. Here. Jill Barr. Here. Jill. I know is absent. Natasha Whedon present. Marvin Lewiston not present yet. Jim Dottilio. Here. Here. Great. Okay, so that is sort of the the roll call in that regard. And then for the voting members and then Jill Conley. Here. And as I mentioned, Claire Ricker is here from the planning and development department standing in for David Morgan, who is our conservation commission agent and also one of the individuals who has been named as part of the committee. Jim, I don't know if you want to take it from here. Well, yeah, why don't we take that out of order before we get to the minutes because you know, give Marvin an opportunity potentially to join us before we vote in the minutes. But I think Natasha set the table, but Natasha, you want to say anything more before we maybe turn it over to Claire to say a few words? Sure, I guess I'll just provide a little bit of background. We knew that going to this David would need to be taking a leave. And as such, we had been working with the town manager's office to determine who that sort of stand in would be. And it made sense that it would be whomever would be assuming his responsibilities or overseeing that. And so Claire Ricker, the director of the planning and development department here in Arlington, is that individual. And so welcome, Claire. We're so happy to have you here. And that's sort of the background on where David has gone and how Claire has come about and what and how that decision was made. Jim, I don't know if you want to add to any of that. Yeah, Claire, welcome aboard. Really happy to have you here. Do you want to say anything? Sure. I'll say a few words. I, in speaking with the manager and with Christine Bundger and the deputy manager, we were discussing who would sit in for David. I know there's a lot of work to do. I know that we are, the intention is to meet what looks like weekly, at least from now through closer to town meeting. So I'm happy to be here and participate as best I can, you know, with the understanding that I am, I am interim until David gets back and certainly I'll take good notes and fill him in on anything he needs to know while he is out on his break. The newest Morgan has not arrived quite yet, but we are all hopeful. Within the next week or so, David will be out officially on his leave. So thank you for having. Oh, thank you for, thank you for having us and joining us. We really appreciate it. Mike, were you trying to ask a question or just saying hello? No, I didn't have a question at this point. Okay. Yeah, well, and I guess a question Claire is, so as you're probably aware, David had joined, we've broken down into some subgroups or working groups, so we can be a little more nimble and kind of tackle some of these issues and then report back to the larger group. He had joined the environmental group with Mike and Joe. I assume you have no problem joining, filling that role in the subgroup. That sounds fine. Perfect. I'll offer what I can. I am not the environmentalist that David is, but I will try to participate as best I can. Thank you. Good. I think that's a pretty powerful group you have there. So you're showing with some fast fish there. So I guess at this point we'll do meeting minutes. You know, I hope everyone's had a chance to look at them. I'll be perfectly honest. I did a lot of prep for this meeting and forgot to read the minutes until about 10 minutes before the meeting began. So, but I looked them over. They look good to me, but I hope everyone else has had a chance. Are there any corrections, edits, comments? Moved, set the minutes as presented. Excellent. Is there a second? Seconded by Leslie. So Mike made the motion. Leslie seconded. Do you want to call the roll? Yes. Mike. Leslie. Yes. Joe Barr. Yep. Jill is absent. Natasha. Yes. Marvin is not present right now. So Jim. Yes. Great. Okay. So that looks like we've got one, two, three, four, five for the approval. And so that would pass. I don't know if it's, I mean, we could, well, let's go to the next item. And then maybe I might ask to jump around a little bit. But Natasha, I think you did a great job including what you had, but maybe give us a little update on the correspondence received since our last meeting. Sure. Yeah. So there was a lot of correspondence received. Forgive me for just one second. I'm a bit out of sorts and I just want to pull up the packet. It was 125 pages. So I wanted to be, you know, respectful and not print everything out. So I will pull that up right now. And so I will just explain a little bit about where all of the information is sort of coming from and how we got to this point. So I first and foremost need to apologize because there is something in here from Joe Connolly and a lot of information that was actually given to me prior to the previous meeting, but somehow I missed it. So it's been included in this week's meeting. So my apologies for that and any confusion that that may have caused. And, all right, I'm sure. Oh, and I need to also recognize that I did not include the, there was so much material to include in correspondence received. I typically include the chat comments. And I did not include that somehow that that was missed. I will make sure to include those in the next week's meeting or whenever the next meeting is. So I apologize for that. I just got all kinds of apologies today. New Year's repentance. I was just going to say that, but we're into the second week of the year now. So enough, enough, Tasha. All right. So in terms of correspondence received, we have received, like I said, an email from Joe Connolly with four attachments. And so those have all been included. I wanted to make sure that everything had been included and whatever folks felt that they wanted to look at or discuss has been included in there. There is a little bit of, I think we've already maybe talked about some of these previous meetings, but felt it was important to make sure that they were included because they were sent to us. Just going through, we get through this. And then the next is a email, I believe, something in here that is included that will come up in just a little bit is the Athletic Field Project at Lincoln Park in Lexington. And you'll see one of the last comments that came in was from Board of Health Chair from Lexington, Wendy Heiger Bernays, who also submitted the same presentation, but also had some comments from the subcommittee that did the work on this, as well as her email explaining her position on this. So that was in there. I believe we have a couple of emails from Susan Chapnick. Let me just, sorry, I'm scrolling through this large packet. I want to make sure that I'm not missing anything, but does anyone have any questions thus far? And, you know, there's a lot there, but everything's worth a read. So to the extent you haven't looked at it yet, please do so. And we appreciate the submissions. And so thank you to those who submitted. And so we had an email from, the easier way for me to do this is just go into my file, from Susan Chapnick, two of those, I believe. Sorry guys, I'll try to get this one back. We had the first email from Susan Chapnick on 1215, and there were, I believe, two attachments, so those would have been included. There was another email from Susan on 1215, and I, Susan Chapnick, and I don't believe there were any attachments to that, so you wouldn't have found any. Mike had sent an email on the first, I'm sorry, Susan Chapnick, no, 1215, 1215, Susan sent an email on January 2nd, 2024, sorry, as well. And there were, there were no attachments. It was just, I believe maybe a link. Mike had sent an email, Mike Fields' game on January 2nd, with some additional information. And then as I had mentioned, the email from Wendy Heiger-Bernes, the Board of Health Chair in Lexington. So that should be all of the correspondence received. And again, I did not include the chat comments only because it totally slipped my mind, and I will try not to make that mistake again. So I don't know if the group has any conversation or discussion they'd like to. No, other than I think they're worth a look if you haven't already looked at them. So just pulling up the agenda, working group updates. Part of me wanted to maybe skip to 2024 meeting schedule, but I think we can wait on that. That probably is appropriate at the end. So working group updates, the reason why we took a slight hiatus was because we well, A, there was the holidays and B, it was to give the working groups a chance to do some work together. And, you know, among individual members, I know I'm in the safety group and I've been based on a lot of studies dug up by members. Been reading a lot of papers, a lot of studies, and it's very interesting stuff, but there's always more reading to do. So, you know, I was hoping maybe the purpose of this meeting, or the goal of this meeting and this item is to sort of get a report out from each of the groups. But, you know, you can keep it sort of, you know, like you did last time of this is where we're going with this is what we're looking at. But if you want to raise particular questions or issues, all the better. So I think the first group we have is health, which is Natasha. Unfortunately, Natasha, it's just you. So you're going to have to carry the weight for this one. I'm happy to do that. I just wanted to interject for one second, Jim, because I know that there might be conflicting schedules tonight. I believe Joe, you're right. Yeah, we should do environment first thing. But one quick question I guess I just wanted to put out there if there are any other agenda items that we need to vote on. I'm wondering if that's something that we need to try and do sooner than later. Mike, I believe has a training. Is that at six o'clock, Mike? I'm not going to be going to that tonight like that one already. So that's not an issue. Okay. Nothing to vote on, but maybe we should talk about the meeting schedule then because maybe we should try to get as much input from those who are here. So maybe we'll move that up first. Some group reports and then immediately go to the environment group before Joe has to leave us. So we've been meeting remotely Tuesdays at five. I'm generally fine with that, but I know in the new year we said we'd reevaluate the schedule. That's kind of what worked for the first few meetings when we were getting this group off the ground now that we're running a little more rapidly. Two sort of questions for the group. Do we want to continue consistently with that date, with that day of the week and time? Or do we want to choose a different day and week and time or alternate between Tuesdays at five? And so just in case, because we've noticed like for instance Jill's not here tonight because she now has I think through a family obligation, a consistent commitment at Tuesday evenings, but she's going to skip every other one to make it work. And I don't want to speak first because she's not here, but I think that was the general gist of it. Also we've been meeting totally remotely. I have to be honest, it generally has worked, but some people might really long for a meeting with all of us together, if possible, certainly as we get maybe towards the end of the process. So I'll open up to the group. My two cents is I'm fine. I didn't want to meet remotely. I think it's been effective, but maybe planning to meet in person starting in February, especially if we have guest speakers, you know, potentially. As for Tuesdays at five, I'm not wedded to that anymore. But before we sort of go around and say what works best, if people are open to a different day, it might be better to just do a doodle poll again and find out if there's another day. But you know, what are people's thoughts, sentiments about this? So I'll just speak. I can make myself available wherever and whenever. So I don't feel like I need to weigh in. I'll try to sway with the group, whatever works for everyone. And I guess just, you know, what others might have, if others have conflicts, I am fine with remote. I am fine within person either way. And I can secure a space if needed. I'll jump in. I find that remote works well. But I agree with you, Jim, that perhaps closer towards the time where we have to hash out some final decisions, or if we have speakers that a lot of people want to hear, we should try to get together. Tuesdays at five works for me. Generally, I am somewhat flexible, although I know that some Wednesdays and Thursdays for me are not going to work. But other than that, I'm fairly open. Anyone else have strong views? I mean, I think we'll probably do a doodle poll. But, you know, any strong views you want to express now? Right. I'll just say the remote, I think, could work well with some guest speakers, because you have people who aren't local. So I think that maybe, even that could cut both ways. I think time, I'm, you know, I think doing a doodle poll for day of the week is fine. I think, you know, I've been happy with a sort of five o'clock time frame, because you sort of get, we get the meeting and then you could sort of have still have part of your evening to, you know, get other things done or whatever you need to do. So I think sticking with the five o'clock, if folks are good with that would be good. Great. Yeah, if we're going to stick to it, if we're going to stick with Tuesdays, it couldn't be any later. You know, I'm going to be hopping out the door at 6.30, quarter seven, because we have an in-person meeting every other Tuesday for the Park and Rec Commission. But having said that, there are other days of the week that are not going to work either. And I'm sure that will come out in the doodle poll, but, you know, for January- Leslie, were you interested in like a later Tuesday time, like Tuesday at like seven or something or no? No, there's a Park and Rec meets every other Tuesday. So that's why I'm saying the five, if we're going to stick with the Tuesday, the five o'clock. So, Jim, why don't I do this? Why don't I get a doodle poll out to the group hopefully this week? While we're on this topic, I do want to make note that we're coming up against a holiday weekend. So Monday, I do think that we're probably going to meet next Tuesday. If that's the direction, let me just, if that's the direction that we're going to go in, I have to have the packet ready to go much sooner than I normally do for two reasons. One, I am actually going to be out of town Thursday and Friday, but also to comply with the 48-hour rule, I have to have it posted by Thursday at 5 p.m. Now, I'm going to be out of here by tomorrow at 4 p.m., but I will make every effort to get it posted. If I'm going to be on the road, I will make sure that it's posted by Thursday at 5 p.m. at the very latest, but my intention is to have that posted first thing Thursday morning and an email sent out to the group. So with that being said, any correspondence that we will include, the cutoff for that is going to have to be tomorrow at 4 o'clock. Okay. And Natasha, we can talk about the agenda, but we're kind of at a point where I don't necessarily see new items. We kind of have some standing items that we quickly report out. I'll give you a call tomorrow morning to discuss, but as far as agendas goes, this one doesn't have to get too, the next one doesn't have to get too creative from where we already are. Excellent. Okay. Well, I think that's enough on that topic. And then as Joe's time is short, maybe the first report out will be from the environment group, with it's, you know, Claire can find out what she got herself into. Joe, do you want to start off or?  So maybe give a quick overview and I'll jump in a little bit. I will just say that more we look into this, the more there is to look into. So I think you'll all find that. But there are a couple of efforts that Joe and I have been undertaking. I've been looking around at other towns and what they've been doing in terms of turf fields versus artificial turf. And I spoke to several towns and got very different responses in terms of what the concerns were and what they decided to do about the fields. I spoke to Belmont, I spoke to Sharon, I spoke to a couple of other places waiting to hear back from them as well. So that was one issue to see what other towns have done and what they found and what their concerns were. The five points listed in the minutes, which I thought were well described, lay out a lot of information and I've been looking at non-crumb rubber infill options. And there are several out there. I have not yet found reliable or good or really any assessments of the environmental impact of those, other than the fact that whatever the infill is, it's going to move out of the field. So that's why one of the concerns of the environmental group is that I am also aware that the city of Boston has banned, at least for now, the use of artificial turf. And so there are a lot of issues that are coming up and there's a lot more to be done. So I'm looking forward to hoping that Claire can give us a hand on some of these points. But there's a whole set of issues outlined in the minutes. So I won't go on at length, but other than to say that the information provided, the Natasha reference, is going to be very helpful for us. And especially looking at the environmental impact. So Joe, I'll turn it over to you. And I guess I've been spending some of the time trying to figure out or trying to identify other sort of experts we could talk to or people who have not so much to say experts in like turf fields per se, but experts in kind of dealing with playing fields. So I've reached out to trying to get in touch with someone from the MIT athletic and recreation department, Dan Martin, who's there, other facilities and operations, because universities are another user group that have had to struggle with this topic and also have to deal with a lot of stakeholders with lots of strong opinions. So I think as I'm trying to get in touch with him through one of my contacts there to see if he has either expertise to share from MIT's decision making and or other folks that might be good resources for us to hear from. So hopefully that can lead to one or more speakers. And then similarly, I reached out to Mass Municipal Association and heard back from them last night about, you know, they don't have a ton of resources, but I'm going to set up a quick call with with the person that chapter lane referred me to and sort of see if we can, if they have either, you know, internal stuff they can share or other communities that we might want to talk to beyond the ones we've already, you know, heard from or been investigating.  The last thing I just wanted to mention was this has come up and I can't remember if we talked about this or not in the previous meeting, but this has come up in Capital Planning Committee discussions about turf fields is the fact that, you know, in 2012, the state amended the Community Preservation Act to prohibit the use of CPA funds from being used for to pay for artificial turf. Now, some communities have tried to sort of do go around on that and we'll call it an end run, but just sort of get around that by basically using CPA funds to pay for everything but the actual purchase and installation of the turf and then have, you know, found some other source of funds, some cases private donations and some cases other municipal funds to pay for the actual purchase and installation of the turf. That has become pretty controversial. And so I think, you know, that certainly the the seems like the direction everyone's heading is unless you, you know, really want to have, you know, a lot of lawyers involved that probably you should stay away from paying for artificial turf for fields with CPA, which, you know, as Joe and others know, that's a big source of how we pay for our recreation facilities. So, A, I just thought it was interesting because, you know, it indicates some level of resistance to the use of artificial turf to the point that the, you know, state decided to make it not allowed under CPA and B, you know, it certainly limits us in terms of our options as well in terms of how we might pay for a artificial turf field if that was, you know, something we wanted to do in the future. Yeah, I would just add one thing to that, Jim, and that's what Joe was mentioning is the cost issue in the health safety environment. I don't see the cost issue specifically mentioned, but I think obviously that's going to be something we need to deal with. It's funny you mentioned that and that's a great point, Mike. I mean, we were talking about this in a safety group that although it wasn't technically part of our charge and although it doesn't neatly fall into any of the working groups, we would be, I think remiss if in whatever final product we give to, you know, town meeting, the select board, etc. If we don't at least make some reference to the cost issue, you know, the comparison of what it takes to maintain, you know, build and maintain a turf field versus build and maintain an artificial turf field. And so that was, I mean, that's a point we can discuss now if you want, but I mean, I think someone has to look into it. I'm just not sure any one subgroup, you know, naturally owns that. And I also, you know, although it's an important point, I don't want it to crowd out the things that we were specifically charged with doing. Having said that, I think it's very relevant to this discussion when you're trying to do cost benefit analysis of various things. We may need a new subgroup for that. Yeah, I mean, it may have to be a group called, you know, cost and maintenance, you know, and, you know, we had this discussion at safety too, and Leslie and Joe, feel free to jump in.   How are you maintained? Is it organic? Is it, you know, are you maintaining it to a point where it's, you know, professional athlete grade, you know, the costs are very different, depending on how much it's used and who's using it at the time of year and, you know, various, various factors. So, although I don't necessarily want to assign it to anyone now, I mean, I think we should all be thinking about it, to the extent you come across things that inform it, please hold on to it and share it with the group. But it may be, I think it's a bridge we have to cross. I just don't know exactly when we officially cross it. But soon, I don't still want to take from the work that each of the groups is doing, you know, independent of that. But I'm with you, Mike. I think for us not to look at it would be glaring absence in our final decision. I've seen some, some figures on cost comparison. But I think we need to get into it a little more serious way. Yeah. Jim, I had imagined, sorry, Joe and Mike, I had imagined sort of, you know, our working groups sort of getting a handle on the topics that that we're, you know, working through and figuring out what, what research we want to bring to the group, present that, have the group provide some feedback about yes, we think we're going in the right direction on this, that or the other thing, or we need to look at this. And then sort of when we've ironed all of that out, we might then as a group sort of start discussing those other pieces that aren't accounted for. And I don't know if then, and you know, let's just say maybe it's in two weeks, maybe it's in three weeks. I don't know.  But that's sort of how I envisioned it, that we would all sort of take an active role in those pieces that might be missing outside of the charge that we've been given by town meeting, if you will. I think that's very fair. Because yeah, we're not going to do this subgroup work. I mean, it will always be there, but we're not going to do it indefinitely through and then just magically come up with a report. So, you know, and in that realm, has the environmental group, it sounds like you are thinking because this is if we have one sort of big goal for maybe by next week, or at least doesn't have to be firm next week, but firmer than we are now. I'm hoping each subgroup to the extent we're going to invite anyone to speak to us from the outside, who has expert knowledge in this area or just any kind of knowledge in this area. Having some names that you throw out there as possibilities by next meeting would be helpful. Well, it doesn't have to be by next meeting, but I think just, you know, if you want, if you want speakers in February, you kind of got to nail that down fairly soon in January, because a lot of these folks would be helpful, probably busy schedules. And we've started doing that in the safety group, you know, some potential people to reach out to or some people we'd certain type of people we'd like to hear from, but we just don't know who those people are yet. So has environment kind of sound like you've begun to think about that and maybe done some initial outreach? Yes, that's right.  Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping this is my vision.  And then really the bulk of it is for us to have a dialogue with them to ask questions. The very thing that really didn't and for good reasons couldn't happen at the forum, you know, the kind of follow up questions that were never really, you know, I mean, this is sort of the opportunity for us to, you know, not just read someone's study, but to actually, you know, ask them the follow up questions you inevitably have when you read those studies, but you know, couldn't get during the forum. If environment's good, and I know Joe may have to cut out soon. Yes, safety is next. So I sort of give a sneak preview, but I think initially, we did some, oh, well, we've been reading a lot, you know, Leslie and Joe, I think have forgotten more about this topic than I'll ever know, and have read a lot of studies and papers and are constantly finding new ones. And I, you know, I think one's with very, you know, some with balance views, some less so, but, you know, sort of essentially a sampling of what's out there on these topics. And, and it's been helpful to kind of get reading that. And today, we had a meeting where we kind of talked through some of the themes we see, and there are certain themes you definitely see throughout, throughout the literature, and the research, but independently, Joe's also been doing some outreach to MIA and some of the, some people in athletics to find out about injuries, and sort of general protocols related to turf and artificial turf. Joe, do you want to talk a little bit about some of the outreach you did before the holidays, and then some things you've been finding since then related to athletics? Oh, sure. I mean, we, we, I did reach out to the athletic departments and, you know, first we were trying to see if there was any type of a central database, excuse me, central database on reported high school injuries, whether it was, you know, per school or statewide, and there really isn't, there isn't a, you know, a statewide injury database on what injuries occurring out there that kind of happening individually, as they happen at each particular municipality on whatever field they're playing on. So I really didn't get too far there. Excuse me. We did, you know, one of the things we talked about in, in Jim may highlight a little bit later is just, you know, one of the areas of concern with heat, and we understand that turf fields obviously get hotter, and I don't think anyone's denying that, but if what was out there with regards to rules and regulations for athletic play in heat, so we were able to find MIA policy on temperature, and that's something I sent to Jim today, maybe we'll get that to everybody next time. And that's it. Yeah, and I think that's one thing we did talk about maybe connecting again with the high school department, maybe talking to their training, one of the, you know, talk about who we want to bring in, and again, we don't know individual names right now, and maybe someone from the Athletic Training Corps at the high schools to find out what they're seeing. I mean, they're the kind of the emergency personnel that are actually on both Arlington's turf and non-turf fields, and get some opinion from what they see, is that they see more injuries on the turf or injuries on our grass fields or is there no difference, so what? So that's just some of the kind of local work we're doing with high schools.  And, you know, we're starting to definitely see some, some patterns in the studies, you know, but more, more, more is needed. I mean, Leslie, you've done a great job of kind of finding a lot of the literature and doing, you know, a good job of hiding us with, you know, a sampling, and we're keeping, we're continuing to dig, but any, anything you want to add? No, I mean, again, I think you're right. We've been, you know, digging and trying to find relevant studies, things that are recent. And, you know, the thing that we've looked at over the years is injury reporting, as Joe said, really is inconsistent. You know, it's really kind of very ad hoc. There's no real reporting that's done at the, at the local level. But we have seen that, you know, a poorly maintained brass field is just as likely to cause injury as, as anything. So, you know, we do need to dig a little bit deeper and, and we do have both, you know, athletic and recreational uses that are on both types of fields where we can, you know, look at, at the sampling of, of what, what's, what's happening out there. And, you know, hopefully we can get some more information on it. But that's, it is, as you say, kind of useful to understand the overall things that are, that are going on with the studies. But the studies have been high-end, professional collegiate. And, and that's, that's really not the environment that, that we are trying to support. We don't have that level of athlete playing on our field. So, and, you know, I think that's exactly right, Leslie. Another, well, two additional points about the safety group. One is some of the studies address and, and you will all mercifully be, we read about it, but we won't be, it's not part of our charge, you know, how the different actual games are affected by the difference in fields. I don't think anyone here, it's not part of our charge. I don't think anyone here cares if, how a soccer ball bounces on one of these fields versus another. It's irrelevant to what we're looking at. But, you know, some of these studies do look to those issues as well. The other thing is we do face the same challenging environment group does. You know, obviously a lot of the studies are about the crumb rubber infill. And I think we noted at our last meeting, as reflected in the minutes, it's, we certainly should look at those studies. And in many cases, that's the majority of what's out there or the overwhelming majority. But if you were to go in a different direction and say we would never consider crumb rubber infill if we ever did artificial turf in town, and that the real interest area of interest or inquiry would be studies about non-crumb rubber infill and the health effects and safety and environmental effects. There's just not a lot out there, at least we're seeing in the safety space either. So that's a challenge. I mean, you know, because obviously you get a certain take on the crumb rubber infill and the safety issues and inhalation. And that's very specific to crumb rubber. And, you know, I forget is oyster shells. One of the things I think I remember reading is oyster shells, one of the things that's like an alternate. You're like, you know, we're not seeing what those studies say. Yeah. So I think it's just a challenge all the groups are going to have. Yeah.  I think one of the things that we talked about today, and I think that the MIA policy is very good at laying out is heat is heat. And when the MIA looks to protect their athletes, they look at indoor heat, outdoor heat. It really doesn't matter where the athlete is playing in order to protect the athlete. The heat needs to be measured. So I think that, you know, that that's a good barometer of how at least our highest level athletes are being looked after from a health and safety standpoint with respect to heat. If it's too hot, it's too hot. Regardless of whether it's graphs or artificial turf or, you know, they even mention indoor heat and environment. So, you know, these organizations are looking out for the health and safety of the athlete overall and policies around what things need to be done to protect the athlete at various heat levels. So that I think is a very, you know, interesting thing that, you know, Joe said, Joe sent out and I think, as you said, we're going to send around to everyone to take a look at. Yeah.  Another challenge is we're seeing in these studies, you know, where are these, you know, especially on the heat question, you know, if you're looking at fields in Texas, Florida, California, you know, but particularly Texas, Florida, the Southern United States, you know, Nevada, you know, it's helpful, but the temperatures in those, you know, as I always say, if you're coming to me and saying you're building an artificial turf field in Las Vegas, I mean, that's a field that, for the better part of the year, if not the overwhelming part of the year is going to be, you know, in temperatures 90 degrees or hotter, not the case in New England, not the case, you know, I mean, we're going to have more 90 degree days than we used to in the coming years, but you know, just a very different sort of different context, different calculus about, you know, how many truly hot days we have a year in Arlington, naturally hot, and then that's compounded by, you know, a crumb rubber infill field, artificial turf field, you know, obviously, there's to some degree, some of these things in a New England context could be managed, you know, one of the things we're seeing is some of these things could be managed more than in a place where it could never really be managed because it's completely unmanageable, the temperatures, you know, almost 365 days a year. So, you know, sort of looking at a little bit in that realm, but today when we talked, the fact that it really in our environment, it's the shoulder seasons, we don't have the high intensity of use during the summer. What we're seeing and what we're trying to support is those New England springs, shall we say, the wet months of spring and fall, when the majority of the schools and leagues and athletes really are trying to get out there and, you know, our recreational uses are the highest. So, again, context, as you said, Jim, is part of really what we need to frame. Marvin, you're welcome. I had sorry your hand. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, first of all, my apologies. I got stuck in New Hampshire for work. I was supposed to be home two hours ago and just walked in the door 10 minutes ago. So, I guess a couple of things. One is I think the heat issue, obviously it's going to be really different than if we're in the South, but I think, you know, it's partially looking at, you know, the difference between grass fields and turf fields for heat. You know, certainly in June, August, early September, it can be really, really hot. And particularly if you've got people who don't happen to be really well conditioned to the heat that are, you know, coming on the field and playing with great intensity. There were a number of presentations on heat stress at the National Industrial Hygiene Conference is here. One of them, and there were a number of really interesting points that I had not been aware of before, but severe heat strain can have physiological effects even days later. So, you can be exposed to really high heat levels on Monday and not have a whole lot on Tuesday and Wednesday, but go back on Thursday if it's hot day. And there's some still residual stress, you know, to the body that's existing that can compound whatever the Thursday exposure is. There were also a couple of presentations by industrial hygienists who worked at various colleges. And their feeling was that for the most part, you know, coaches are very well-meaning, but aren't really well trained in necessarily recognizing early stages of heat strain. And particularly given that most kids just want to play, you know, I think about, you know, kids with, you know, mild concussions who insist that they want to stay in the game, you know, without kind of additional training for staff, I think that that, you know, creates an issue. I've been doing a whole bunch of stuff, not on crumb, but I've been looking at heat. I've been looking at phthalates, you know, and some of the plastic components, looking at PFAS and in addition of, you know, the crumb studies. And the other thing that's kind of striking is most of the studies of crumb have been done with cancer as an endpoint and have been done with one specific compound as opposed to kind of the mixture of the sort of, you know, carcinogens that are present. OSHA has a mixture permissible exposure limit for solvents because when you've got assorted compounds that have comparable effects on the body, it's additive. And so they've done something like that for solvent exposures. There is nothing like that for carcinogens. There's nothing like that for isocyanates, though the Europeans have that. So there really haven't been tests of mixtures. And there also haven't been any studies that have really looked at other end points, you know, whether it's asthma, whether it's, you know, the effects of endocrine disruptors or anything like that. You know, again, we're kind of in a place where there's not been a whole lot of work done, which is unfortunate. And virtually every study I read says, you know, this just illustrates the need for more work to find out more stuff.  In terms of the, you know, difference between kind of pros and college and, you know, high school students, I think one of the things is when you're looking at scientific research, you have to look at big numbers because small numbers may not really give you the information you want. So for example, I just got a safety, you know, a safety recall from Hyundai because of a break issue. And it would be if we looked at the, you know, if we said, well, let's, let's see how many break problems there have been, you know, from cars that were sold at my rack, and we'll based our actions on that. Obviously, you have to look at like big number sets, and you're looking at kind of, you know, relatively sometimes minor differences and things, but, you know, there's still effects to think about. So. That's all right. No, those are all really, really good points. And it reminds me how lucky we are that you're in this group with us. And I, you know, pardon me to the health, if we're ready. Yeah, no health. If you guys are ready to transition to the health update, I love it. Marvin, we didn't do a health update just yet. What I had planned to do was just kind of give an overview of some of the, the stuff that we've been looking at. And so I've written down some of the stuff and I'm just going to put it right out there. Jill and Marvin, I am so grateful to be part of this working group. They have really dove in and just gotten so many different things to look at. So some of the things that that we've been looking at, you know, to everyone's point, you know, crumb rubber and, you know, the cancer risk, we sort of talked about that information about crumb rubber infill and synthetic turf fields. We're looking at, let's see, a lot of the crumb rubber hazard assessment study on organic compounds and heavy metals from using artificial turf, human health risks associated, I'm sorry, assessment of synthetic turf fields based on investigation of five fields in Connecticut. So we have a Connecticut study. We've looked at some materials from the state of New York, the state of California. We're still synthesizing a lot of this stuff. But these are sort of some of just the broad topics. We have, you know, I forget, I think it was Marvin who gave us a presentation from University of Pennsylvania. That sort of talks about the safety issues associated with artificial turf fields. So we have those types of things that we're also looking at. They're doing a lot of research there at New Penn. We're looking at heat streams of various athletic surfaces. So a comparison between observed and modeled wet bulb globe temperatures. So these are just some of the topics that we haven't committed to what exactly we're going to, I guess, report out on. But I feel like we're doing a really good job of being all over the place and sort of trying to hone in on all of these different things to make sure that we're covering the health topics that we sort of feel are important. We've got something from 2023, assessing children's potential exposures to harmful metals in tire chrome rubber by accelerated photo degeneration. I'm trying to read my own writing here. Weathering, we've got something from 2017, heat strain on various athletic surfaces, comparison between observed and modeled wet bulb globe temperatures. We're looking at the Burlington Public School, their policies around their heat plans. I've reached out to the Brookline Health Department. They had a group that was working on, similar to us, like a study group, working on the field usage and decision making around artificial turf fields. So I've got a lot of those materials that we're sharing together. I think to Marvin's point there, I think what we're running into is, excuse me, there's a lot of materials out there and a lot of it is sort of the chrome rubber piece that we've talked about. But the alternative to that, there really aren't a lot of studies right now out there about any of the alternative things either. So it feels like we're a little bit torn in that this versus that or that. I'm just throwing that out there. So I think that that's one thing that we've acknowledged. Jill could not be here tonight, but she also had been mentioning some concerns that don't exactly fall under health, but maybe the larger kind of group and maybe we could put them under health, but sort of accessibility and the mental health component. So she's done some research into studies that show mental and physical activity and being part of sports is just as important, although I don't know how much that correlates to the use of just an artificial turf field. But we're feeling like that's an important piece that we need to acknowledge. But one thing that we discussed as well is that and Jill will probably be reaching out to you is maybe being able to get some of our own data here to understand in the last couple of years, how many times have you had to cancel practices and how many fields and what does that look like? So even if it's down pouring today, are you canceling practice today on that field or are you also canceling it tomorrow the next day the next day? What is that impact look? And so I don't know if you guys have that data, but we felt that that was something that really might need to be discussed. And I think we wanted to get the thoughts of the group on that if folks thought that that was an important piece. And I've got more stuff that I can sort of talk about, but we're looking at Department of Chemical and Environmental Services, New Jersey Institute of Technology. We've got lots of different things that we're looking at for materials. And so I think what our group wants to do is probably kind of do a little bit more of a deeper dive and figure out what this is all sort of saying so that we can present it then to this group in a more formalized way.  So I'm so glad that you're here. And I want to give you an opportunity to also just add in what we've talked about as well. Sure. Yeah. Huge kudos to my partners. And Natasha is not exactly sitting on her hands either. No, mostly there's a lot of information out there. And it's just a matter of trying to figure out what's relevant. And so for example, what I've been looking at is really kind of exclusively peer-reviewed journal articles. I'm not looking at really anything by advocacy groups on either side of the issue, because I don't think that that's going to be particularly helpful. If our charge is kind of to deliver a report that's hopefully as accurate as possible and comprehensive to town meeting, then that's what we should be doing. And I want to do that really kind of based on fact and not opinion to certainly to the extent possible. I think that that's how this committee has credibility. And I think that that's a really important thing to do. So again, I just kind of touch briefly on some of the things that we're looking at. There's obviously more to do. And I would hope over the next couple of three weeks to flush out some areas that I feel like I'd like to see a little bit more on. One study leads to another leads to another. I start reading footnoted articles. And sometimes that's really productive. And sometimes it just kind of goes off into a direction that isn't really quite as relevant. So I'm really just trying to kind of stay essentially focused as possible for now. And again, once we get everything organized, I mean, I would like our group to be able to present something to the rest of the group in kind of an organized fashion that's relatively easy to digest as opposed to just like throwing links to journal articles. I mean, everybody has more than enough stuff to do with their time now. And I don't want to be in the position of just kind of dumping stuff in people's laps for them to try to sort out. Hopefully we'll be able to do this in a way that makes a little bit of sense. And it's easy for people. I mean, I really look at that as part of our function. Well, you raise a good point, Marvin. And here's what I'd say. And I don't want to get ahead of ourselves and say, this is how we're going to write the final recommendations, final report. But maybe each group should sort of proceed over the next few weeks as they're doing what they're doing with the idea of it's almost like if we were writing a report, and you had the section to deal with, in this case, health or environment or safety, what would you be putting in that section? If you were saying, this is going to be the section that says, this is what our deep dive looked at. And this is what our conclusions or recommendations are from that, from at least that vantage point, in the two or three pages that are going to put in this report about that subject matter, what would that look like if you synthesized? So maybe try to keep that, I don't know if that's what we'll ultimately do, but try to keep that as you're synthesizing information and trying to figure out next steps. Think about that, because it sounds like Marvin, you're already kind of maybe there in terms of how do we bring this to the group and are comprehensive, but also concise and fully digested way as opposed to just a mishmash of sites. Yeah, I mean, this is the way I've worked in groups in the past when there have been divisions of labor in terms of things. And it just is a lot easier to kind of present something that's, I don't know, more organized and more concise to people. Again, given that I don't think any of us are just kind of sitting around eating bonbons waiting for somebody to hand us stuff. I mean, I certainly have a day job. So I think that brings up a really important point, Jim, is that I don't know if you want to go this way, but it might help if each of the subgroups report that eventually turns out has the same structure so that, you know, we had considerations, we had findings, we have recommendations or something along those lines. That would make it easier for folks reading the report to figure out what's going on. And I fully agree with both of you with saying that there's more research and papers and information out there that we could possibly deal with in any one of these subgroups. But I think if we structure each part of the report in a similar way, it might be helpful for the readers. Yeah, Natasha and I will talk about that if maybe we can, on our own, work on a template that maybe we can share with the group either at the next meeting or the meeting after that, and then we can discuss whether people would like the template for, you know, for their section if they want to tweak the template. I think, so for the next, you know, I'm cognizant of the time, and I know we don't say this is a hard stop in an hour, but, you know, I do know people's time is quite valuable. So, you know, subject matter experts and additional research needs and gaps, here's what I'd say about that now that we're after six o'clock. We do have the next meeting coming up very fast, because there's a Monday holiday. And on this, I wanted to spend some significant time on this part about research gaps and needs, because I got a few recommendations from various folks about things that didn't necessarily neatly fall within any of the working groups, but that, you know, were kind of essential issues we needed to cover and sort of bring some questions slash suggestions to the larger group. We've sort of indirectly touched on a little bit of them, like the financial issues, what are the costs and comparisons between building and maintaining a regular natural turf field and artificial turf field, field demand and usage. You know, there are other issues. I don't want to short change that discussion. So, Natasha, I'd recommend carrying that over to the next agenda item, next meeting, and making that maybe one of the more central pieces, because, you know, in a week there may not be a huge change in the report out for the other things, so maybe we can make that other element a bigger part of our meeting. I'm also wondering, Jen, if we sort of just try to look at the calendar now and say, you know what, it might be a good idea for each of the groups to say we're going to have some sort of report out to about what our working group has done and what that looks like to each other, you know, I don't know, by the 30th. I don't know if that's too late or if that's not enough time. I don't think it's too late. I don't think it's too late. That gives us almost like the three weeks, like we're still coming together to talk about things and we can address like, hey, we're going in this direction. Do you think that there's anything else that we might be missing? That gives us that opportunity to also talk about like additional like research needs and things without it. It doesn't have to be necessarily a topic, but I think on that 30th, we might then be able to have that as well as like, okay, or maybe it's the next meeting. We've done all this and I think, you know, maybe we're missing this, this and this. How are we going to get there and compliment that? Sorry, Jen. No, I think it's a good point. I think what I'd suggest at this point is maybe Natasha, you and I, I'll call you tomorrow. Maybe we can talk about some of the logistics and make some proposals to the group about potential dates. And then because I do, I think we need to nail down some sort of for scheduling purposes, some dates to work towards. But I'm realizing like Joe and Jill aren't on this call. And I don't want to like make anything too hard and fast with two of our members not here right now. I mean, the other thing I'd say that's really important maybe between now and the next meeting, although it's not a, you know, drop dead deadline, but the more that each of the subgroups could think about people they might want to, I mean, it doesn't have to be, you know, that you've locked them down, but people you'd like to invite or are working on inviting to come and do a sort of brief presentation Q&A with our group at meetings in February, the more we can have a sense of that by the next meeting or at least a sense of the work you're doing in that regard to get someone would be very helpful.  This is not a week. The subgroup should meet as much or as little as they want at this point and don't need further direction from us other than, you know, keep up the good work. But, you know, this meeting has been helpful to me in sort of thinking about some additional areas, you know, of inquiry, not just in my group, but sort of for the larger group. So are people comfortable with, you know, a week from today coming back from a long weekend for some of us, at least I think are most of us, you know, covering this gaps, research gaps or additional needs issue more in depth rather than trying to just sort of quickly, you know, talk about it for five minutes now, having the usual report outs with maybe an emphasis on trying to specify also, you know, potential guest speakers. And then maybe at that point Natasha and I can also present a potential template for final, you know, a template for final recommendations for each group, as well as possible dates, you know, for, you know, deadlines for work. That all makes sense. And I know time is short and I know our goal is still to be done with all this or it's not our goal. It's our requirement to be done with all this by some point in mid to late March. It's going to sneak up on us quickly, especially with February being a short month, although it's a leap year. It's not as short as it could be. But, you know, time is short. I still am pretty confident we can get to where we need to be without requesting an extension. You know, the next few weeks will really determine that. But I think this group can do its job and do it well without having to compromise on anything. But I think that's because I believe in the power of the people in this group and the talent. So don't prove me wrong.  So are people good with next Tuesday at five? And Natasha and I will talk tomorrow and try to iron out or make a few proposals and various things. And then subgroups or working groups keep chugging along? Yeah. And, Marvin, I just wanted to ask, too, if you have an idea or like some, I know you've worked on groups where you've done something like this. If you have any examples, I'm happy to take a look at those as well. Maybe Jim and I can kind of look and just give us some sort of guidance and idea. Truth be told, and to be perfectly honest, I've never really had to write out a report like this. So this is new to me. And so I would welcome any kind of template or thoughts on that. Yeah. And we can maybe have an item, maybe even at the next meeting or the meeting after we can have an item of what each person's vision of a final product looks like. I mean, it's a preliminary discussion because you don't build the plane while you're flying it. But I mean, I don't think it's necessarily helpful to town meeting if we submit a 75-page report, unless it's a 10-page report and 65 pages are helpful sources and appendices and stuff. I mean, I just think if it's 75 pages of text, I think we know where reports like that end up. There's a few hardcore folks who will read it and the rest will end up in a pile and collecting dust. I mean, I think it's better to have a report that can have lots of citations and appendices, but ultimately is easy to read and concise and gives you packs of powerful punch in a dozen pages or less. That's my view. But Marvin? I would just say that certainly there's an advantage to brevity, but at the same point, some of these are fairly complex issues. And I think to try and distill something down into four or five sentences and then have a whole bunch of references, it may actually not be as helpful because I think when you're dealing with particularly scientific research, it sometimes takes a little bit to explain what's actually going on. And I would rather have a little bit more length than that and have people kind of get a sense of what's going on, as opposed to counting on them to actually start reading these papers, which again, for people who have been reading research papers, it can be a little daunting. There's also alternative paths, right? Like you can have a longer, a longer report and then, you know, maybe more of a concise PowerPoint presentation summarizing the report, you know, that's more easily digestible to someone who has less time. And certainly have a couple of page executive summary of it, have sections attached to it with kind of more explanation. And that might work. And I did see a comment in the chat and I just want to reiterate, you know, I think at a prior meeting we did say, you know, when we're looking at these studies, obviously, you know, look at whatever you want to look at, the good, the bad and the ugly, but, you know, that the emphasis and that the prioritization and the hierarchy of these studies would be for things, you know, obviously, you know, peer reviewed, government issued, you know, these would be sort of at the top of the hierarchy and things that are not peer reviewed or industry folk industry backed, you know, or supported would be kind of probably more towards the bottom of the hierarchy. I don't think there's anything wrong with reading an industry report. I just think, you know, I have to keep it in context all the way through and, you know, take it for what it's worth, which may or may not be that much. So with all that said, any new business or new items to bring up before I entertain a motion to adjourn? I just want to add one more time. We've got a holiday on Monday. So if there are any materials that anyone would like to be included in next week's meeting, please get those to me as soon as possible. I do plan to get the packet out and posted by Thursday morning. So I can only accept materials until four o'clock tomorrow, which is Wednesday. So I apologize. It just is what it is. And I'm taking a couple of days off. So thank you. You're entitled to the Natasha. Well, let's not be crazy. We're going to a hockey tournament. Well, thank you. And I hope we haven't scared off Claire. Hope she still wants to stick with us. I appreciate. Is there is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Seconded. Marvin. Motion made by Mike, seconded by Marvin. So I guess with that, Natasha, we call the roll. Sorry, Mike, Leslie. Yes. So bar is not present. Just write that down. Jill is not present. Natasha. Yes. Marvin. Yes. And Jim. Yes. Perfect. We are adjourned. Thanks, everyone. Thanks. Bye, everybody. Thank you. Good night.


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We're gonna start with the essentials and that by essentials I mean the suspension work and then we will definitely Make the visual look better Now I did have all this stuff already purchased So that's why you know I Went to go build it So I built everything for it Why can't I look at every I built everything for it on there, but I never actually drove it So today we're actually going to drive it and get the full build on the car You make the single slide as possible All right, so now that we got those done We're gonna look at body kits We're just gonna use the keyboard probably it's probably easier From bumper I am like in the Bomex so pretty much everything is the same from a horizon 3 So we're gonna go to Bomex, which means we're probably gonna do a Bomex style We're actually gonna shave the wing off. We're gonna go to Bomex rear Bomex sides And a vented hood so we're gonna do all Bomex looking on the car now. We got to do Some tire widths. We're gonna go 265s in the front and we're gonna go as big as we can in the rear 325s We're gonna get all that poke out and Now for the fun part that usually takes forever Trying to find some nice wheels that will look good on the car Oh, that'll look good on the car.  I'm feeling these in keys So we're gonna go with some in keys for right now Can leave them. I believe I hit 17s because if they are we're going up to 18s go up to 18s 18s in the rear Now we do all the driveline components. I'm not sure how much power I want to throw into this thing right away So we're gonna add our intake Injectors recognition There's so much easier on a computer than on Xbox and throw that in there So the intercooler on well cooler and Our flywheel which puts us at 660. I feel like it's a super out. We need more power. We're gonna do everything but massive turbos So without going upgrade on the turbos, we're at 760 horsepower. We'll start there. Then we'll add the turbos to it We're gonna get some proper slides with this We're gonna have to go tune it get the suspension all dialed in and then take it for a rip you can Sideways with this power then up it even more all right for tuning. We are gonna be doing basically a base tune 25 and 22 22. Yeah, okay. I hit the wrong button. Here we go. I understand Gonna hit the paddle. Gearing will leave how it is. I'm gonna knock that down a little bit. That's a lot Not there a little bit a little bit there And we'll leave that there any roll bars. We're gonna soften We're softening this thing up Pretty fast to move it with this. Oh, it is So much quicker Yeah buried Stiffen that up a little bit Soften the dampeners It's kind of backwards of what people would think you would do so we're gonna try it this way and then go from there Or breaking pressure differential. We're gonna lock that and do about 80. So This is what we're gonna go with right now. We're gonna get this thing sideways have some fun with it Let's go Toyota Supra back here in Forza Horizon 4 now we got some Proper power and now we actually have some proper speed in this car we are on The fainted tank with full 900 degrees of rotation and everything set up. Oh my I'm so used to a set out. I meant to do that little 180 Whoo, definitely so much different going from a set of course it here To Horizon 4 that's proper slide though so Somewhat of a first slide and the tune does feel Okay at the moment We might need some more Oh, I'm on stock tires That's why We are on stockers Like why do I don't have that much front grip? We are on stock tires rip fail We got to put other tires on this car So for stock tires It's not handling half bad As I say that we go airborne. Oh So for stock tires not terrible, but I think we need to Throw some actual grippy tires on there, and you know what more power. It's a Supra. We got to get more power I Know a lot of people don't like racing on drift tire on race tires, but we may So we're gonna go back in here Go to the turbos Go all the way up Which puts us at 1200 horsepower, okay 1200 horsepower Now we need to throw on some tires. I think I Think we're gonna have to go on to race tires Just to try and plant some of this power gonna go with the race tires See how it slides on race tires, which means we're gonna have to modify that Our tire pressures again because when you change tires it messes with tire pressure.  We just did but with some grippier tires and more power And see where we sit. Oh My It's still just wants to break the tires loose But good news is We have a little bit more grip. Oh my as I say that we almost just overdo it 1200 horsepower though. It's grippy. It's grippy, but it it moves Slightly impressed with how this thing is is handling right now Leo feels very Responsive on the race tires though super Rippy in the front of the car. It's a really long handbrake drag It looks like we got it this car Move it.  Oh my I am this I'm fighting the wheel right now. Got some high speed though Six gear sideways. Why not?  Oh my Six gear grazed This car is crazy. So like I said, let me know what you guys did on your Supra So I know everybody got it. Did you build it for drift? Did you build for grip?  I feel like I want to make a drag Supra Got some drag tires on it Try to get as much grip out of the car as I can Maybe a track style time attack Supra as well Maybe throw a single turbo on it. So you guys want to keep seeing some different Supra builds here on 4s Horizon 4 Let me know down in the comment section down below if you want to keep seeing more Horizon 4 on the channel I'm having a little bit too much fun with this This car is crazy. Jesus 200 miles an hour. Oh god. We're done. Oh No, we survived Don't ask me how To the Supra back here Definitely a lot different than what I'm used to right now with a set of course So we have to keep playing this more and get better a feel for the wheel again Here on Horizon 4 We just beat a new personal best on that one Hit this speed trap I feel like I want to build it as grippy as I can like time attack style Supra Much down forces I can as much grip as I can. Oh I feel like it would be interesting build we done So I think that I'll do it here for this episode as always. I thank you guys for watching more Horizon 4 to come I'm evil rabbit. I'll see you guys on the track


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