Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime Podcast. Season two, episode 36. We got a five pack for you guys today. We have some amazing topics coming up, including talking about tears of the kingdom and no DLC.  Oh, and there's supposedly a Nintendo Direct next week. So we're gonna do our predictions today because there's a high likelihood if the Direct is next week, assuming that it is, that it's going to happen before the show happens, which means we don't have a show predicting the Direct. So we're gonna do it now. And you know what? Even if it isn't next week, let's say it's the week after, well, you know, Nate hates that it was soon. So it's happening this month. So it could just be a two week ahead prediction.  So let's start the show the way we always do this. Go around the room, we'll introduce ourselves, and what have we been playing lately, if anything at all. So let's start out with the two inch destroyer himself, Mr. Jake Randall, aka Virginity Rocks. You're muted. Now he's muted. Muted, baby. I love how he asked if his mic was working beforehand. We're like, yeah. Is it still muted? No, you're good. No, you're good. Okay. Sorry, the GoXLR, it's like, it's not getting updates anymore, it's like, it's messing up. See, that's why I went with the Rodecaster Pro too. Yeah, well, I'm already locked in. But anyways. Locked in, it's not updated anymore. Well, I've already paid for it. I don't want to. Yeah, there is a community around it still trying to update it, so. Yeah, yeah, I know. I haven't touched it though, since like the official update stuff, but I've been playing, I finally played Vampire Survivors. Got really addicted to that, super fun. Great game. I tried to play Starfield. Wasn't for me, I didn't think it was bad, but I just wasn't enjoying it and I got a refund. I got the $100 edition for the early access and it just, I could tell, I just wasn't gonna like it. So that didn't work out. And then, God, there's plenty of something else too. I don't know, I forget, pressure is on, so. But yeah, those were the two main ones, I guess one that I had a lot of fun with and one that just, I was disappointed by, but not because it was bad. Okay, all right, all right. For Vlam, how's it going, buddy? It's me. How's it going? How are we, what are you playing? So I've been playing a lot of the TCG Pokemon game because I just signed up for Toronto Regionals. Woo, I'll be there. Anyone else gonna be there? Yeah, I'm trying my best. We'll see. So I've been playing a lot of that, a lot of the Pokemon TCG. I beat Pikmin 4 a couple of weeks ago because it's been a minute since I was last on the podcast. Fantastic game, love it. The real ending or the false ending? So I didn't know there was two different ones. So yeah, I guess, I don't know, we'll talk after so we don't spoil it for people in the chat. It's 100% ending. I started to see a star, so that would be the other one by the way. I can't remember. I don't think I've seen the true ending either for Pikmin 4. Okay, so then probably not the true ending because I gave up on doing 100%. I was doing it and then I was like, all right, I just want to get this game over with. When I was in the water area, I was like, this is misery. How many maps have you found? If you can only explore four, then that's not the end, the true end. There's still a lot more game left. Okay, I've unlocked like five, so. Oh yeah, maybe. So I guess I got a little bit into the bonus, but I didn't fully, anyways. So yeah, that's what I've been playing. I've been playing a little bit of Valorant as well because it's kind of like re-energized and they just updated it and they nerfed everybody. Yeah, not a lot of Nintendo because I was gone for the weekend. And then also I've been really busy with content itself. I had launched my personal YouTube channel finally and it's going to have weekly uploads. So we have that going on and then also my personal podcast. I hired an editor, so we have stuff that's coming down and it's going to be cranking out. So that gaming has been on the wayside a little bit, but we've kept it going, so. There you go. Eric, the only one who's not allowed to have his own. I know. I don't. I can. Hold on. We just don't. No, it doesn't let me add anything for you. If we plugged the camera into my PC. No, we probably had issues with that. You know what? I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to give you a name. I'm going to figure this out. You go, what are you even playing lately? What, Twatwaffle in the bottom chair or what? Yes. Twatwaffle's crazy. Yes. No, I was playing a little bit of Tears of Kingdom in the night and then a couple of nights ago I was I redownloaded Age of Empires and Majesty and played played that. So that was a whole lot of fun. I haven't played that ever. Dude, Madness is great. Yeah, a couple of a couple of PC games. Who be right PC games? Let's go. Andres, what have you been playing?  So maybe you played nothing. Based on what I was hearing before the cast, there may have been nothing being played at least gaming wise. But no, I'm on the plane. I sat with a couple of friends. We played Smash. Oh, that's valid. We love Smash. We used that tabletop mode. Play with the Joy-Cons and took a little getting used to. But it was fun. So I got a singular Joy-Con each singular Joy-Con. Without the strap. They're really they're really roughing it out here. Hey, it works for proving that it works. Hey, it worked. Is it amazing? No. Is it good enough? Yes, it got the job done. It got the job done. Yeah, all that matters. I do hope on switch to those SN SLR buttons are a little beefier without the strap. But other than that, I did also continue my efforts to complete Pokemon Stadium two on NSO. I am in the Kanto gym leaders. So Nate, you told me it was impossible. I haven't beaten it yet 100 percent. So maybe it is, but it feels pretty doable to me. So yeah, definitely, definitely, you know, I've had a few losses, but it's and it's felt unfair. But I think I'm I'll be able to get through. You saw besides that in terms of like video games. I mean, yeah, I just got my bills gone, gone for a week. So it's just kind of traveling outside the country. Were all those videos done ahead of time? Most of them. Most of them. As I say, I figured they were exactly felt like they were going up on the scheduled time. And I'm sitting there like, dude, these videos are actually performing really well. Yeah, maybe we can get that ahead on content all the time. Only one wasn't planned. It was the Mario Wonder. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Which I just I called my editor. Yeah, my temporary editor and I had him record a discard call between us and he he did that. You also did the B roll for some of the videos, too. So he he was pretty key in getting to keep the content train going. Brandon, the goat. So there was actually only one day that there wasn't a video while I was gone. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. And now we're we're here to hit the ground running because the high train is dude. You might not have been here for the Mario Direct, but the big ones still coming. We got the holiday season coming up, switch to rumors swirling all around. We got, you know, probably that being unveiled some point hopefully early next year. So all right. So I guess that leaves me. I have been playing. I've been redabbling back in the tears of the kingdom again. So I'm very happy that I'm getting back and that reminded me just it's my favorite game of all time. So there's so much I haven't done in it yet. So I'm just having fun doing some side quests. And then I actually spent a good chunk of the weekend playing Mario plus Rabbids, Sparks of Hope DLC. How was it? Well, I haven't gotten to the Rayman part yet because playing the first one. So there's a DLC they added already. So there's the Tower of Doom. And then there's this music island that I haven't beat yet. And I don't see the Rayman DLC selected. So I think I have to beat the music island to unlock the Rayman DLC. So I'm in the middle of doing that right now, which is fine. The music island is pretty cool so far. But I really wanted to play the Rayman DLC right away, but it's cool. I understand. I'm a little bit behind on the DLC. So we'll get through it. It's probably the island will probably take me like I think I have like an hour left or so. It just depends on how long the battles take me to do. But it's it's been a lot of fun. And I can't wait to get to the Rayman part because I want to meet the phantom.  That's just a fetish. So yeah, you would love Valorant music, then Valorant music. Just absolutely got a lot. Absolutely blasted into my ears.  I did some fantasy league drafts, which is totally not gaming related. Sorry, Jake, that you got to lose in week seven and week four. No, I don't be sorry at all. I feel bad for you. I feel guilty, man. Yeah, I'm we're we're in a league together. I don't know why they invited me. They just want they just want to be taught how you actually play fantasy football. That's all. It's OK. My lessons are free.  There's only an eight team league. So if everyone's team isn't stacked, then they're just dumb. They're just dumb. It's hard not to stack an eight team league, but that means there's even more pressure on each pick because you want to pick the right players to stack your team with. We had some guys taking quarterbacks on like round two. I'm like, what are we doing? Round one. There's like eight of us. OK, there's 32 quarterbacks. What are we doing? There's a problem that are at least you can only play one. This isn't a two value. This isn't a two QB league. It's all you want. Anyway, that being said, there was something I was going to say, but now I'm totally spacing out on what it was. So I'm playing with the fish. I'm ripping it. Yeah. Sorry, I don't want to fish. But what was that on yours? You've been playing with the fishes. Yeah, the fishies swimming behind me and there. Yeah, that's what I do. That's my guest bedroom. It takes off. Yeah, that's my guest bedroom, man. Do they got they got they got literal, you know, just all around. You that's crazy.  It's worth more than my house. I would love to sleep there until it breaks and I die. But don't worry, I haven't put the big ones in there yet. The big ones will break it. We haven't got there yet. I do want to remind everyone, though, before we jump into our topics, the live audience watching because we do this live. If you're listening to the audio version, we are live every single Wednesday around 8 p.m. Central Time at the Nintendo Prime YouTube channel. If you didn't know that we were a YouTube channel, because we actually have a pretty good dedicated audio listening audience. Hey, we have a YouTube channel, so you can go check it out live. And even get some of your questions in, which is what I want to remind the audience of. We do take our third topic or our last topic. We've always taken some questions from the chat. These questions are the ones that get super chatted in throughout the stream. So if you ever have a question you want to submit to the panel to be answered later, you just super chat it up. We will feature it during that section and we will answer your questions. Maybe. I mean, if you ask something inappropriate, the two inch will have to answer. That's the only. Yeah, that's what it is. All right. That being said, let's dive into our first topic. And it's a big end. They're both big ends today. But there's supposedly a Nintendo Direct next week. Supposedly, again, I don't have any direct knowledge of it. No, no, no, I guess pun intended. But Nintendo Insider Nate, the hate has said several times in the last week that it's happening soon, whether it was on recent era or on Twitter. And then Necro Philippe Lima from Universal Nintendo, who has a very good track record, at least reporting, usually about a week ahead of time, reported when we're going to direct four days before it happened. Yeah, he's pretty connected. I don't know if he has a connection with anyone Nintendo related in his country. But whatever the case may be, he's pretty good at telling us what week we're going to get the direct. And we also on top of that have Pioro, who like two weeks ago liked to comment when people said, hey, what do you think about the number 13 and 13 happens to be Wednesday next week, which Nintendo tends to do their general directs on Wednesdays.  He has a bit. He is technically on the record for saying September. So, you know, if you don't want to believe the likes, he's at least said September.  You predicted a September Direct. My grandma could have done that. So I mean, yeah, no, actually. That's what I was about to say.  That being said, it's time to get into some predictions. And one prediction I better not hear out of any of your guys's mouth is tears of the kingdom DLC after what just happened today. Well, I swear if anyone. Well, oh, they're pulling they're pulling the double switch. They're doing this. Hey, we have no 3ds model coming. Oh, next week, 3ds XL mother effort.  Well, that's a second topic, right? Yes, I was saying I better not hear that prediction after what Nintendo does.  You want to be beautiful. All right. You want to hold on. You won't fall on it because I know it's second topic. And I'm not personally predicting tears of the kingdom DLC anymore. Well, this is a prediction, but but I will tell you that if you saw my predictions, this is how I kind of did it. I do predict some things that will be in the direct. And I was kind of like a grub. In part, I listened to your video in the background. I think I heard you bring up comments. Well, but, you know, in part was that in a part was also. Well, I mean, if it's not that, it's probably tears of the kingdom DLC until the day, right? Like so that those predictions I recorded like over a week ago, like 10 days ago. But yeah, I mean, I would say that if we're not getting tears of the kingdom DLC, which seems likely given the Famitsu interview that was translated from, you know, from actual age, a new mother, this year's producer of words, then I think that rumor from Jeff grow about something else, Zelda happening this year, all of a sudden makes a lot more sense because now seem to announce exactly. Correct. And it makes more sense now because beforehand, it would seem kind of hard to believe given the situation where this the timing for a tears of the kingdom DLC would make sense for now. But since it looks like it's probably not happening, given we're not being faked out here, or it's just being like held off or switched to for like a year or so from now, I think what we're looking at here is another Zelda announcement. And so I think we do get something and I'm kind of leaning towards it finally being Twilight Princess when we create now, maybe doesn't come out this year. Maybe they actually say the announcement for a February direct. So maybe there isn't anything major Zelda in this direct. But I do kind of feel like these are like really good games to kind of put out in this kind of like last phase of switch before we supposedly get switched to in the second half of 2024. So I feel pretty decent about Zelda, something show up in the direct. I'm going to say 5050 on that one. I could do more predictions, but I feel like we should probably we'll get around. We're going to get I'm getting all my predictions out today. So I'm just I guess what I'm saying is should I keep going? Or should I let someone else have a turn? I think I think we should let Eric before everyone says everything I'm thinking, OK, because Eric's the one that's most likely to run out of ideas. OK. What? What? What? You don't have any ideas already.  No, um, golly, let me zoom in. Let me make sure we really should we really get it on you good. Yeah, right. Eric's Eric speaking, guys. We got to be right. Jesus. Make him like the what is it in the thing where you just make him the full screen? I can only do this with him, by the way. I can't affect anyone else. Oh, goodness. Is this the point where we see the the Donkey Kong rumor game? Hopefully, maybe, um, see them, you know, what else can we see? I don't know, switch to maybe that be. Oh, so that would be why not? Why not? That would be crazy. What's we're going to go? I want it. I need it. Yes, this is this is like the way God is over. Going to happen, but I need to do switch. I'm rocking a day one 2017. So maybe I just say, yeah. So it's it's it's time. It's time, Nintendo.  Watch they announce it for summer 2024. Yeah, oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Comes out July. It's I'm trying to think of what else they could see happening. Mario, lots of Mario. Yeah, that feels like a stretch. Right. I got Mario in a Nintendo Direct. I mean, like, you think they'll show me that. I'm not peach game. Oh, I definitely think we get more peach game. Definitely. Yeah, I think we do get more of that. Yeah, probably 90 percent. Yes, I might even get a release timing. I mean, I don't know what game we haven't seen anything from that. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. No, for sure, for sure. I think we get Shadow Drop Luigi's Mansion 2 because they tease in the last one. I think they shadow drop it like they did. Well, then they see 2024. Oh, did they? I missed that. I'm sorry. They never mind. You know what? It's good. They still good. It's good. They can switch. Pokemon DLC. Part one. No, no. They always say Pokemon for a separate thing. Luigi's Mansion 1. They never bring Pokemon really into the main. Shadow drop.  Well, except for DLC. They broke that rule with the. I would already announce. Past Direct. What are they doing with the past Direct? They showed Pokemon DLC and Detective Pikachu in the not Pokemon's on the table.   It was like an actual whole new trailer for the deal. They kicked off the DS3 and did the detective. And like the DLC is supposed to come out this summer. Like it's like overdue. Yeah, the deals. So the DLC is supposed to come out literally this month and then it's supposed to come. And then the next part comes out next month. That's just so we know that the date we're expecting is direct to September 13th, which is also the day that the Pokemon DLC comes out. So which would make sense to mention it. Yeah, in the direct. True. Yeah. Like, hey, go get the DLC because I'm sure there's a lot of people. And they can tease more for the next part of it. It does kind of make it a little weird if they shadow drop something else, though. At the Pokemon Company. They had shadow drop original Game Boy games for free. That's so much. Oh, yeah, that's so cool for free. And then don't buy the red, yellow, silver. The reason they don't do that. The Pokemon Company doesn't like money for free for every Nintendo Switch owner. We will get lucky if they give us ports that are twenty dollars each, much less putting the one in. So no, great. I'm honestly surprised we have like the TCG game, to be honest. I'm shocked. They they that's because it's outdated. It's not. So are the original Game Boy versions of these games. That's true. No, the thing is, if you know, they'd realize how much more fun they are. And that's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of reminding everyone how much better GEM one is. How they when they used to make good games. Yeah. No, you guys know. Fun fact. And I'm not to plug myself again, but we did it. I did a recording where we're talking about the Pokemon transfer process. And I did not know you cannot take Pokemon from generation one and two to current generation or past generation two, unless you do it from like the 3ds emulator or use a third. There's like a third party program, something that you can use. But there is no Pokemon couple Pokemon company. And I didn't know that until recently.  Yeah, you can't bring your boys from that. That's why the 3ds virtual console releases were a big deal. That was the first one. Yeah, they they had an included feature to transfer. Yeah, that's sick. Yeah, so. Well, my Luigi's Mansion theories out the window now. Don't they isn't the week? We did one already on switch. Or my son is not on switch. Just just I thought it was. I just want to clarify this because I see people disputing in the chat. I am literally looking at Nintendo's official website. And here it says is the headline is Nintendo's website, a visually enhanced version of Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, which originally released on Nintendo 3ds set to launch in twenty twenty four. Well, that's your thing that they literally said. It's my opinion. Nintendo, that's what it says on to. Yeah, you know what? Can we really believe the websites? After all, it did say you must purchase the full game to get, you know, additional DLC content with tears in the kingdom on the official website. Can we really believe the Famitsu translation either? Right. Like, maybe we're getting the expansion pass. Can we really? Well, it didn't translate it. It's people translating from it.  In fact, the matter is you can, in theory, take a grain of salt with everything in existence, because there's always like an example in one way, shape, or form for something. I'll say that's not going the way we thought it would. The Zelda team has never intentionally lied to me since they already intentionally get a key word title screen at the end. The what? Pikmin five title screen. Let's go. Having crazy. That'd be so funny to be fair. They already confirmed that it's already confirmed. Well, guys, we're getting Pikmin five. They didn't even it just came out in an interview. Yeah, we're not going to wait. Completely unrelated interview. Yeah, we're not going to wait you and let you wait it. You're not going to have to wait us on for Pikmin five. We have to take advantage of, like, the current. Why did Pikmin five even get confirmed? What are we talking about? Cool. Thanks. We're cool. We're getting Pikmin five on Switch two. Got it. What about Pikmin four DLC? I don't know. The fact that he said Pikmin five makes me think that is going right to Pikmin five. Yeah, sure. OK. I understand where you guys are coming from with that, but let's also look at games where we got DLC and still got a direct sequel shortly afterwards. ZNB Chronicles 2 got major DLC. We still got ZNB Chronicles 3 reasonably not too long afterwards. So two and two DLC. We got some two and three. But but we were transitioning to I don't think it's going to happen. We're literally having a new platform next year. I just I think the DLC, if tears the kingdom of that, I think they're just cooling it. I don't think any of the games coming out this year are going to end up having DLC. I think this direct will be very telling. Yeah, because if they don't announce DLC for Pikmin four, I'll be inclined to agree with you guys. So I like I'm just saying like they could. I think they're just waiting for the new system. Now, could they end up dropping DLC in the new system? Maybe who knows there? But I think at that point, they're focusing on the new. Those rumors about adding more Smash DLC. Have any credence to them? So the Smash DLC stuff is less of a rumor. It's more of a informed speculation. Yeah, conjecture. It's based on a lot of things that are coming together that in the past, when these same things came together, it led to a major Smash Bros. announcement. And I don't the thing is they're assuming Fighter Pass 3. It could literally just be here Smash Bros. Like, you know, Deluxe Edition that has all the DLC included now for just the MSRP. It would they would want to even if they did that, they would want to throw something new into that, right? Maybe not a fighter, but like, I don't know, something that is currently not in the game at all. That's why I think they won't do that until the next Switch 2. And then it'll be like 14. Yeah, I think you sacrifice kind of done. He done with Smash for a minute. Smash Ultimate will be to Switch 2, what Mario Kart 8 was from Wii U to Switch potentially. Like, it'll be the Smash game throughout Switch 2. It's been out for longer, though. I have a thought on that. I think they are going to port at year one, like have a 4K edition or whatever they do to it, to UPRES and stuff. But I do think that there will be a new Smash Bros. game will launch on the system if this system also proves to be successful, like Switch was, because Sakurai has put out there. He's very forward now that he does these weekly YouTube videos. He's basically said, hey, I'm going to do another Smash game as long as Nintendo, like, lets me do what I want because we can't do what we've been doing. There's going to be at least one more. We have capped off. Well, he basically said, what Smash has been so far? Ultimate was the peak. We're not, we can't be trying to do that anymore. So I want to take Smash Bros. in a new direction. And if Nintendo will let him do it and the system's popular, then I think we could potentially still see it. I'm very curious what that means. And obviously it would still be a fighting game, but I don't really know what new direction do you really take. But that's not, that's what I'm saying. He's the mastermind. He's the mastermind. So here's the thing. He, in my opinion, hasn't made a bad Smash game. So I will play whatever he puts out. The 3DSVU is the closest. And even then, it's just because he, I mean, dude, they announced it before they told him he was making it. Yeah, at least you said that. At least you told me that. I was like, they announced it. He's like, yeah, well, they announced it. It was news to me. I'm like, what do you mean it was news to you? I'll say that I haven't done the research on the, on all the Smash stuff yet because I was on vacation. I've been planning to do that maybe tonight. But there's a lot out there for it. I will also say that when they announced the Mario Kart DLC, one of the first videos I had dropped was, hey, when this finishes, they might do this for Smash. And Wave Six or Mario Kart is likely getting announced next week in the direct. It's supposed to be done this year. So right. So and the thing about the booster course pass, it's kind of like this really big, significant content that it's a great every month. Yeah, it comes out frequently that it keeps people. It's it's most people have Mario Kart, right? Like it's the most it's the best line game on Switch. So half the audience. Yeah, offering deals, the DLC for free is a really good way to attract a lot of users to NSO. So what's the next best thing after Mario Kart where they could have content like that coming out consistently? Maybe maybe Animal Crossing, but I feel like they're done with that. Marley, they already they even did the even actually even offer the other crossing DLC for free on NSO already. So they already did that for Animal Crossing. The Pokemon DLC, but that that wraps up early next year. Yeah, they already put that up for pre-order. So I don't think they're going to put that up for free on NSO. So my point is, is that if they're going to want to do something like that after Mario Kart, Smash is kind of like the best answer. Or they do nothing because we're at the end of the generation. Or they do nothing. And they just drop Metroid Prime 4 as a swan song. We move on. But that's what I'm going to get to. That's one of my predictions. But but also September Direct's typically have NSO announcements. And I say, but yeah, but the difference this time, though, is that they gave us an announcement since the beginning of this year for the Game Boy stuff. That was new. That was unexpected. They also never fully deliver yet on all the announcements in 64 games. Yeah, it would be weird to see more of them before you deliver.  Yeah, they could maybe do a party, announce a lot of more games for NSO as opposed to doing some sort of special DLC deal. That's a possibility. Or Dreamcast is being added. That would have just thrown that out there. A blow in my could that would be sick, baby. That'd be cool. It's not a convention. Crazy tech would be so hyped. So caliber. I could see more Mario Party. I mean, they could really go crazy and put Mario Party DLC or just putting like the NSO Mario Parties on it. That's probably the more likely of the two is them putting like, oh, here's the other ones. But yeah, that's my lazy with Mario Party. They have. And they there's such an untapped like market there, I feel like. When they were at Superstars or boards, like, like, you know what? Like, it's just so bare bones. And it's just like, it's frustrating to me because that's actually like one of my go-tos to play with like my sister or like friends that game a lot. Like I still bust that out. And like I get a little disappointed every time because like we had it. That's one of those games where it's really reliant on the company you're with. So I have a lot of fun with it, but I just wish the game itself had more to offer. Yeah, I think we get something Kirby because we get something Kirby every time there's no breeds. Yeah, I wonder what they do recently. I mean, you look at the start of this year and now it's gotten way better. Yeah. Yeah. They already made Kirby game at last September. So it was like a spinoff game. Yeah. Speaking of Kirby, what are you making? I'm making my bingo board right now. Yeah, just just thinking about it. I just want to say what my dream would be for Mario Kart 9 when that switch to or whatever. Yeah, I want it to be like Mario Kart Ultimate and where they add not as many characters as Smash, but way more Nintendo characters, like characters they don't have a license like that they fully own. But like add in, you know, Samus, Kirby, all that stuff. And I also want there to be like modes, like double dash mode. Like it's not a whole game based on double dash, but you can they have that feature in there like that would just be sick. Jake, you weren't here when I when I made the one prediction that they they do all the courses and all the styles. Yeah, yeah, we talked about this before. Yeah, at least like some like if it's too hard to do them all, you know, like the most popular ones. Right. All right, here we go. I'm going to drop it. All right, here we go. All right. So, Nate, I saw your video today. Which one? I did too. I saw the one. OK, I'll tell you. Figure one was on camera or not. You were on camera. OK. And you covered multiple topics. Yeah, six stories. And I didn't expect to see this as a topic by sawing the thumbnail. So I was like, oh, OK, let's see what this is about. And and it was a Metro Prime for a topic. And you covered Zippo and I get it. You got to cover him. But I need to know. I can't confirm if he's real or not. I don't know. Like I don't think he's legit, but then he gets some stuff right. And I don't know what to do. A Zippo and a hippo. Yeah, Zippo may be a hippo. We can really heavy on the others a little lighter. You know, I think that may be the difference. Oh, yeah, actually, we just don't know the difference. Yeah, a classic joke. But the rumor from Zippo is that Prime 4 is coming out summer 2024. Yes. And that feels like a prediction could be right. I've predicted that on this podcast before. And I thought it was coming in summer. And that's I'll say that if I must be a source. I heard it here. If that is true, which, you know, I'm skeptical that there is a real information there. But if there is, then Prime 4 100 percent is going to be in this direct, I think. But see, do you see the way he worded it? Did you actually read through it? He said that he think they'll do like a Pikmin 4 very short, which means if it's summer, it might not be announced till February. Just well, Pikmin 4 was announced. What, the last September direct, they gave us like a quick little like 30 second teaser. And then they gave us a more significant trailer in February. And then they kind of gave us a blowout like a month before it came out. Yeah. See, my thing is my prediction is they end this direct with Metroid Prime 4. I think they do it and they do give us a because Zippo said they're going to give us a release date. I'm like, they'll give us a release time. They'll say like summer release, you know, spring 2024, or they'll just say 2024 like they did with the other two games. But they'll give us a year at least, I think, attached, hopefully with a more exact frame. But I can see a teaser, not a trailer. Why? Um, because of the Pikmin 4 reasoning, where they're going to keep their hand close to their chest until. Point, that's just that's just how they seem to be playing a lot of their big releases, at least in the past year, it also post COVID. Well, so there's another angle that's just based on patterns, not based on any rumors. Sure. Sure. Sure. And that makes sense. But I'll also say, you know, does different things all the time. So it's kind of like true. But yeah, just when you think you got them figured out, they do look like when they unveiled tears of the kingdom back in 2019, that was a trailer. That's true. But when they unveiled Mario Wonder, that was a trailer. Yeah. If they give me 90 sec, like, I'm not exactly asking for a three minute trailer. Like a 90, I know, yeah, it will be a three minute now. No, like a 90, that'd be great. It's like a short one, but something, right? Something that's a consider that I think is valid. Maybe you guys will disagree. We'll see when I when I actually say it. But given that it now seems unlikely that tears of the kingdom DLC is going to get announced, it kind of feels like Nintendo is just kind of like, all right, we did tears of the kingdom. That was like the big super hype thing, moving past it. For like that very core centric Nintendo audience, like what is obviously Mario Wonder is very, very big deal. But that's definitely more major. It's very, it's very much more. It's absolutely like we're all on the same page. I think maybe all of us are going to you're going to buy it, right? And I bet like 90 percent of the people in the chat are probably going to buy it. Like it's going to be a big deal game. But the two inch gave Star, Starfield a chance as a star field. So it's called I don't remember. Yeah, he gave that a chance. He gave the $100. He doesn't give, you know, a $60 Mario game a chance. I don't know if virginity really rocks anymore. Of course I do. But anyway, when I met Luigi, by the way, he loved it. Oh, yeah, I know. I saw. Yeah. Mario didn't, which is us. Oh, were you? Well, the curtain did drop in the one game. I mean, anyways, yeah, my point simply is that, you know, with Jesus, the kingdom now done, Nintendo is probably going to want to put something out there to excite us. It's like kind of like a big deal for next year. Metro Prime four from what we've heard might fit that bill. So I can I say, I got two off the walls and I have a pretty, I think, I think pretty predictable thing is just a lot of Mario, just because it based on the last direct and then moving with whatever. I think they could throw some other Mario ports. I think they could throw like, I could see even like. Them throwing in like, oh, here's Paper Mario, a thousand year door, or here's like the Paper Mario. Yeah, like one of the or here's like, here's a bundle or maybe like, here's one of the Paper Mario games they probably be maybe. That's that's a little bit off the wall. Two really off the wall ones, I think I get. I think we Mario and Fortnite. Fortnight coverage. I don't think it's like even off the wall to be honest. Do they have any Nintendo characters in Fortnite? I don't think so. No, not yet. But I see I could see them doing the weird thing. Like Minecraft where you can only get them on if you play like the Switch version. I could see something like that. Like when they did that with Minecraft, they did like the Mario skins in the Mario world. They made it so that you could only do that on the Minecraft Switch version. I could see them doing something like that with Switch Fortnite. But anyways, the other one shadow drop Wario World. There it is. There it is. Mike drop Wario World, baby, 3D. OK, anyways, anyways, that's that's my big. I recently beat the the Wario World where they have on the NSO for the GBA. Yeah, that's such a fun game to just play in two hours, especially with Rewind, if you mess up. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. That's like the level of micro games game, honestly. Got any predictions, two inch? Um, I mean, I feel like I said a bunch of them, but we never we didn't really we talk about mature prime four, but what about two and three or at least two? Yeah, I can see that.  So I feel like this would be like now, yeah. Or if it's not now, I mean, look, they as Nintendo's proven, they could just do a random social media drop one day. It doesn't have to be. But it feels it feels like it's in the last two directs. Like they we think about it in February and June, they shadow dropped GameCube remasters or HD and GameCube games. So it's like, right, which Andre feels like they're going to do it again. Waker, Twilight Princess. Oh, here we go.  All right, I feel like not even Jeff Grubb even utter when Waker and Twilight Princess right now, like it. He's got burns so bad on saying those games happen. It's going to it's got to come eventually. Watch it never come to switch or the next system. They just never bring them back. That would be kind of funny. Not be a very Nintendo move. Very sad. But also hilarious. All you insiders have been saying this for a decade. It's not coming. It's just like saying, we're getting mother three. No, no, we're not. We're not getting mother. Yeah, I'm going to drill a conversation. So I'm sorry. I was kind of thinking the other day, you know, because I've been using a lot of that Wii U tech demo footage for some of the videos that the Zelda footage that looks amazing, right? Yeah, I didn't think you were talking about the flying bird one. Well, that one was cool, too. But that was cool. But yeah, you were talking Zelda. So I kind of yeah. So the Zelda thing was such a strange thing that they did then because they showed this footage off in 2011 alongside new hardware and they had it in the trailers. It's not the first time they did that with Zelda. No, but I guess the the weird part is that it was right before Skyward Sword was coming out. So it kind of made Skyward Sword look like garbage by comparison. What are the Space World 2000 footage? Yeah, right before Majora's Mask came out. It's like Nintendo's done that twice now. I don't know what you're doing, Nintendo. Yeah. And people weren't happy about Wind Waker when that happened, right? Even though Wind Waker has gone on to be Wind Waker. Yeah, but it's just kind of strange that they did that. And then like it wasn't a game, right? Like the footage was was not a game. And so when I think about that, it's kind of interesting because I remember when they showed off the Switch trailer and there was a whole bunch of games there and people were like, Oh, those are not real. Thinking about the past, maybe I guess I can kind of understand why some people assume some of those things were fake because Nintendo's done that in the past. Sure. It just seems like such a missed opportunity. Like they tease such an amazing looking Zelda title and did nothing with it. Well, because it wasn't a real title. Well, I mean, I know it's just re reimagining the Goma fight from Twilight Princess. It really was. Yeah, way better. What if they did a thing where they said, we're not telling you the name of the new system, but here's a tech demo. What's on the new system? No, I can see that. There's no way that'd be crazy. There's no because then they're admitting it's there right before the holidays or just potentially lower holiday sales. That's true. No, that's price cuts. Maybe that's the prediction price cuts come and then they can get away with an announcement. I that's like the only way I think they could do that. But I don't think they're going to do price cuts until after the new Mario Kart 8 bundle and the Animal Crossing Switch lights after those are pretty much up and out for a while. Then I could see the price cuts. I think the price cut comes next year on their course first. Oh, yeah, I think the price comes when they switch to but Eric is the one that went on the limit says it's happening next week. So why not? So that is price cuts next week here. So I would have entertained that idea. But because we did, like, as you said, like we've gone the announcements of the Mario OLED and we've got the re announcement of the Mario Kart bundle again. Like, I think your box this time box. Yeah, I think they're going to ride that. They're going to they're taking those pre-order sales or what have you. And then sometime next year, I think is when we get the price drop. Can we can we just talk about real quick how lame the Mario OLED is? I like the the details on the dock.  Like there's no red in the bezel. So it's literally the way you play it 90, you know, how you're looking at it 90 percent of the time. You don't see the right switch. Yeah, also, also, yeah. Oh, nice details on the dock. Well, too bad my dock, the backside is facing away from me the entire time. The entire time. Yeah, it's so dumb. It this is literally the or this they basically already created this for the original. And they already did a Mario Red switch. Yeah, I'm not OLED one. Yeah, I know that at least that one had the blue Joy Con grip. And they're like, we're doing that this time. Yeah, it's like it's the laziest thing I've seen Nintendo do in a while. But I'm also not really surprised. Look, this is how they've been treating the Mario this whole time, just doing colors for some reason and the same colors or a deeper red. Oh, we have Mario Red Joy Con. So it's a deeper red this time. But no, this new one is now Mario Red. Oh, Luigi, you want to be sick? Yeah, see, they could have done a Luigi thing. They could have said, you know what? Daisy's playable as to a Daisy version. You know, they put some effort into the real year of the lights, though. That's what it's going to say. Yeah.  Oh, each switch, pink switch. Homeboy girls would go hard for that. Oh, my God, I would go hard. The peach game will have a special edition switch, dude. If it looks like a little theater because I have like the curtains. That would be cool. There you go. Like they did like a pink switch, which is yeah, people would be in a frenzy. I can see Nintendo not only like having like a special edition like peach switch light, but also maybe adding more like Animal Crossing DLC when that comes out to really try to get some people that some of the last people that don't have switches that potentially come on board. You know what I mean? Really squeeze them are really not many people left. So I think this direction would be huge. I think it is potentially the last they're expecting. Like I want to hear those predictions. Yeah. So like I think I've got some. I've got some. So like I think it's going to be the last big, big, big, big direct for Switch. I think by the time we get to February, though, we'll have either announced the next system or at least maybe even mentioned it in passing at an investor's meeting or something because now we hit 2024 and now we're, you know, we got to try for the next thing because maybe our holiday sales aren't going to look that exciting compared to the prior year. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they've been declining sales year over here. So so I clearly expect them to show a decline again.  Did go ahead and glance at the sales numbers their games were doing last holiday season. And it's crazy that still had a year over year drop in switch sales. We're getting a year over year drop in holiday switch sales. It's just it's going to happen, guys. But what's interesting is thinking about this being maybe the last hurrah and looking at the all the September directs that have happened. They've traditionally had two games that weren't known yet announced for the following year happen in in the September direct. And now we already have two announced from the June one in the Peach game and we just mentioned Darkmoon, you know, HD or whatever they call it. They probably just called it. We just mentioned Darkmoon when it comes out. But yeah, it's going to be interesting because if it's the swan song direct for switch, I do feel like I said, it's going to end with Metroid Prime 4. That's just my prediction. I don't know anything. I have no information other than that the game is done. OK, well, if being done doesn't mean anything, they can show it whenever they want. And I do think it is not going to be a cross generation title. There's so many people on the cross gen train. I just don't think that's going to happen. I think it's launching exclusively on Nintendo switch. Just the way Paper Mario Color Splash was the technically last first party release for the Wii U, even though at that point they had already canceled Wii U's and weren't even making them anymore. And they still released that game exclusively. They could have delayed it. They could have put it on switch, but they didn't. And this they're not going to. I just think we're going to get this as a summer, an early summer, even like a June drop of of Metroid Prime 4. But anyways, I don't know if they're going to give us the release date. But anyway, that's what I think they're going to end with because it's been anticipated since it was announced in 2017. And I do think they will show the game. How much they show, I don't know. But I don't know. Everything is like that's like so big. It could totally just end up being its own thing when they're ready. But is it? But is it? Yeah. Because Metroid is never. I'm two in three. Why would they? You know what I mean? I think sure they show both. Well, because one's new and the other one's not. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying one's new and the other one's not because here's what's going to happen. No, I don't completely disagree. I'm just going to drop Metroid Prime 2, Shadow Drop. But if I do echoes, it's going to be Shadow Drop. They might do two and three, but I'm just going to say two. And I only say they might do two and three because they did Pikmin one and two. But they also had, but they also had. Well, let me ask you this. They would have to do two and three if they did four. Like they would not have to do two. No, they would not. There's a whole nother direct before this game would come out and they could drop three at that direct. True, true, spread it out. I again, they could do two and three because they did Pikmin one and two. But yeah, of course, they did Pikmin one and two. When three was already fully or four was already fully unveiled. I think it should be noted that the Metroid Prime 2 rumor, it was just Prime 2 that was rumored. Yeah, it was just Prime 2. Yes, it was just Prime. Yeah, it wasn't Prime 3. Well, so I'm saying if they do two and three, it would only be because they showed four because now you're doing two and three because you're making people anticipate that fourth one. Because I guarantee you there's actually a lot of switch owners that don't even know four is coming because they didn't own the switch in 2017. They weren't watching E3 2017. They might not know that Prime 4 is coming. You know what's crazy? That Prime 4 trailer has like a few million views. I think it has like 3.9 million views, which so here's my thing. No Metroid game is so better than Metroid DREB, which is right around three million, a little over three. We don't know. It's three million plus with the last update we got. So that means it outsold all the prior Metroid Prime games. Now, granted, outside of Metroid Prime 3, one and two came out on a system that didn't sell very well. And then for some reason, Prime 3 just didn't sell very well. And we we can go. That's not going to debate on why that was the case. Metroid also has never really been a big seller. It's always sort of sold Kirby level of sales. So like when we talk about it, yeah, it's a big deal game. It's a big deal game to those that care.  So like I look at it as it's it's a nice game to end a generation, but it's not a system selling sort of game. And so it's OK for them to do that. Like there'll be a dedicated direct to it someday next year. But I think they here's my thing. They can't just tease this game if they show it. And I know a lot of people think if they show it, it'll just be a teaser because that's all we got was a teaser. You can't go back to back teasers. We still have a teaser. It's called the title. They teased it in 2017. You can't come back and show it the first time you show it since 2017. Updated logo. Here's another teaser. An updated logo with a pan shot that fades the black and says 2024. You can't do that. You have to show. But they would. No, no, they won't. No, I agree. I don't think you could. I mean, you could do another teaser because they did do. They respected Metroid fans enough to let them know that they've changed developers and rebooted it. Like, they're not going to. I just don't think they're going to come back to you. They did. There's another train of apologize in a direct once. Didn't they? They just said, hey, hey, our bad.  They could have given us a teaser maybe like two years ago. Like that would have been the right time to give us in their teaser. But I think I think Nate's right. It they're showing it because they're actually showing it now. They may not show a lot. I don't think three minute, four minute, five minute blow nothing like that. That'll be safe for February. They'll be safe for a dedicated direct. But I do think that that we could get a good minute to 90 seconds where we actually it'll be trailer one. There will be there'll be teases in it. Teases of boss fights, but there will be some actual gameplay shown off, even if it's only like 15 seconds of the actual one minute trailers, real gameplay, it will show something. And you can call that a teaser trailer. But if it shows real gameplay, then what? You're just teasing the game to me that you by showing the game. OK, cool. I'll take that. It's interesting when we take a look at how Nintendo kind of like titles or trailers. So like for tears of the kingdom, the first technical official trailer is the one where they give us the title and the release date. I think it was the first lines that the first two trailers were considered teasers. So the first one that we saw in 2019 and the one that we saw at E3 2021, those are both teasers. So it wasn't it. Technically, that's what they're technically teasers. Well, what I find interesting is my prediction for those that they're going to show the game and I actually think they're going to show because I remember the rumor that like a big, vast areas. I sort of think that they're going to show off this game in the way that they sort of showed off Breath of the Wild in its first one, where they're going to go into this big. There's going to be this big pan shot with this epic music playing. You're going to see this world and there's going to be new enemies. You're not going to recognize that these are enemies from the game.  And all of a sudden, right, right, right at the end, there's like some sort of voice acting that says, are you ready or something like that? Visor comes down, it comes out. Money shot shoots the cannon arm, cut to black. 20, 24, maybe having a voice would be alright. And that would still be a teaser. I have my crazy prediction. What's your crazy prediction? All right, so this is definitely not going to happen. But my prediction is. They reveal a new game featuring Bowser as a protagonist voiced by Jack Black. That was Mario movie. The game. Oh, Mario movie. The game can't be amazing. I think that I got a relationship with Jack Black. Now we're they're trying to build up that universe kind of Mario's the voice actor for Mario Wonder reveal. No, they won't even if he was the voice, they would literally be using it to market the game. So you think they'll they'll waste time and show Mario Wonder again in this direction? Of course. Yes. That's this. Not a lot. Definitely. It won't be a lot. It won't be a lot to show. Yeah, definitely. Pat a good five minutes of it. I don't I've actually I've been arguing that the Mario Wonder Direct is actually a way for them to kind of open up the space for other things in the direct. No, I would say it'll be in there. And I that's just what they do. Whenever like the lease is on the horizon. Yeah. They count it, count it, count it till it's. Yes. Yes. I wonder is absolutely going to be in there. I don't think they're wasting five minutes. You're going to get a minute of new footage of something they haven't shown. And they're just going to be like, hey, it's still coming. Don't forget about us again. Yeah, like they just did public demos. Maybe they're going to announce more public demos coming for it at Best Buy or something like they've done in the past. So they could be or they could be announcing a moving tour of demos. They've done that before or just give us a damn demo. They're not going to release a demo. Come on. That's just not happening. It sounded like the whole game and they just put a time limit on it. So you couldn't go at a certain point. I get which is very, which is a very Nintendo thing. That black thing has me thinking they probably wouldn't do this, but it is their big direct. Do you think they would announce that another movie is in development? Oh, Zelda movie, either one. That probably don't go on. The problem is that we have the strikes. Yeah, there's strikes all around. Oh, yeah, you're all are so right. You are so I don't think they're announcing any new projects. Otherwise, I would be like that makes a lot of sense. Like, yeah, they can also announce a D.K. movie. I don't know. You're right about the strikes. Support SAG Afra sports. Yeah, I've been on the whole time that they're not going to they're not going to do anything because because of the strikes, like, example, mentioning the voice actor in Mario Wonder right now, everyone assumes it's because they don't want people to know.  So this person isn't following the dams, the dam stuff. This is probably done before maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, but there are some voice actors still doing voice acting right now.  Yeah, they're crossing the picket lines. And it's so like it's not cash money and the fact that Nintendo is like, oh, you'll see in the credit to like, they don't even want. They don't even want to say the name out loud.  But we'll see. Obviously, we don't know.  We'll know why because it'll be by his fellow voice actors. It'll be the ones that do it. So that being said, obviously, I don't want to presume the worst, but it's very un-Nintendo like to be like, you'll see in the credit. It's like, really? Did you say that was Zelda? You can say we'll see in the credits. You just announced them. This is why you're treating this different. Now, there is something different happening right now. So, but my thing is this direct is going to have a lot of like, yeah, I'll end with Metroid Prime 4 because they're going to treat it like it's a big deal because it's going to be that swan song game. But there's going to be more surprise announcements. And I don't just mean like the shadow drop of Metroid Prime 2. There's going to be at least one more game announced for next year that I have no idea what it is. It could be, it could be a remaster. It could be like a zero GX remaster coming. It could be Donkey Kong. It could be Donkey Kong. Yeah. Donkey Kong, I think is the most likely because it's Mario adjacent. I don't know if it'll be 3D or 2D, but I could definitely see a new Donkey Kong game in some and I'll just throw this out here. Although I'd like to see this game saved for Switch 2. What if it's another platinum game partnership or something like Astral Chain 2? So there is a possibility of because I said they've been averaging two games announced every September for the following year that wasn't previously known. Well, they'll treat Metroid Prime 4 like it's a new announcement, even though it was announced in 2017 because we don't know that it's coming next year. And then they'll have that one other game that I don't know what it is. I also think that we might see more than one game announced. So I keep going back to the Emily Rogers quote when she said, this generation is going to end with a ton of GameCube remasters. And it's sort of been ringing true so far, right? We had the Kirby game. We had obviously the Metroid Prime Shadow Drop with the Pikmin 1 and 2. Probably going to get Metroid Prime 2 Echoes dropped this time. And I think that that's not where it stops. We've heard rumors about F-Zero GX. We've heard rumors about other GameCube games. And I sort of think that they're just going to drop a bunch of those announcements right now and sort of spread it out over the next six months. And that's basically that plus Peach and Metroid Prime 4. Are there how they're ending the generation of Switch? And I think most people will end up really happy with that because most Switch owners never owned a GameCube. Let's just be honest. And so these are brand new games for them. And those of us that did own these old systems, we almost get more excited than the new players. Look at the hype behind Super Mario RPG.  By the way, that F-Zero game is a legit remaster. Like a big boy remastered to pay my next level and has online. With maybe some new content. Yeah, if all those rumors are true, yeah. Yeah, that would be huge. And I think a lot of people would wear it. Yeah, there's the Botan Cato's remastered. Because someone just reminded me in the chat. Botan Cato's too, as well. It's coming back. So GameCube remasters have been happening. So I think we might just get almost an avalanche. And people are going to be like, what? It's going to be like the second half of that one direct. Was that earlier this year? Or the first half felt really boring and whatever? The second half was just like, bang, or bang, or bang, or bang, or they just kept slapping it. And I think that's what this direct is going to do. So it'll start off a little slow. It'll show off some more of the Pokemon DLC. It'll show off like, I don't know it. It'll show off just the games that are at least exciting. Then there's going to be that mid game to excite you. That's going to be another new game announced for next year. And then they're just going to keep going. They're just going to keep hitting it. What about like a 2D Zelda? And that could be it. That could be the other new game announced for next year. 2D Zelda would be pretty good. 2D. It's a top-down belief. All right. Like a sequel to. New platform to do. It makes a lot of sense. Or Rezo's probably been doing something since it looks like it's a Wink of Inon Zelda. What if they port between worlds? I can see that. Between worlds. I can see them. I can see them. They have ported 2DS games. So, I mean, that's a possibility. Yeah. I mean, they did. I could see them doing it in the art style of what they did between for Link's Awakening. Not that I would say like that. But I will say, I could definitely see between worlds. I am predicting no Wind Waker or Twilight Princess. Yeah, I don't think. Just throwing that out there. The copium for me is the run out for that one. It's not even the copium, hopium, whatever we want to call it. It's just, I think there's a reason they aren't doing it. And it's because it won't look impressive enough compared to Wii U. You're going from 720p to 720p in handheld. You're going from 720p to 1080p on your TV. I don't think that they feel that that's going to look, it's not going to look visually better to many gamers' eyes over the HD version they already made. So, I feel like they're going to wait until, maybe switch to a 1080p screen. So, now you get 1080p and handle it. Maybe it do at the LSS, it's 4K on your TV. And it just looks that much more impressive. Also, fun note, the Wind Waker, that original remastering was handled directly by the Zelda team. And I kind of get this feeling that Onuma is very attached to that game. It's like one of the last games that he personally directed. So, I kind of feel like he would want to handle this himself rather than having that particular game handle it himself. So, but we'll see. I mean, look, we don't really know if anything Zelda is going to happen at all. There's no guarantee anything Zelda happens, guys. We literally got Tears of the Kingdom this year. And it was a pattern for a while. It's one Zelda thing a year. We got the one Zelda thing. We got the biggest Zelda thing. We got a 20-plus million selling brand new Zelda game. So, like, we don't have to expect anything. The only reason there was expectations was, well, we thought there might be DLC. Some of you guys did. We'll get to that in a moment. And then, if there wasn't DLC, there was that stuff from Jeff Grubb that made us go, oh, really? There's going to be a Zelda announcement that's not related to Tears of the Kingdom. Why? Why would they do that? Unless it's an announcement for 2024, which is a distinct possibility. If who knows when Switch 2 is launching next year. If it's launching at the end of summer, then maybe they would want to announce that now if it's heading to Switch instead of announcing it next year. So there's a whole lot of unknown right now since we sort of know we're entering a transition period. But I do think this directs going to have a lot of things that are going to make a lot of Nintendo fans smile. Yeah. I do want to circle back. Nintendo erect. Yes. They're going to have to invent the Nintendo Prime Erector set. Actually, they won't have to. It's already attached. Yeah. I want to circle back to the Twilight Prince of the Blue Maker thing because while I feel like it fits, it also kind of doesn't. Because I don't see, I don't really feel like they should release them this year. I think they should release them next year. And if they're going to release them next year, I don't see why they have to announce them in this direct. Sure, they could do it in February. Well, I feel like if anything makes more sense to announce them in February. But the rumor is that something's all that really is going to be announced this year. But it doesn't have to be those games. It could be Oracle games coming back. Whatever. I mean, there's a thing. Grezzo is overdue to have a Zelda game teased out of them. So what are they doing? Or is it being saved for the next system? Which you know what? Nintendo is probably saving a lot for the next system. Do you announce and use all those so quickly also? Like. But I don't know that. I think that what they saw with Link's Awakening. They're not doing a DLC if they were announcing a new Zelda so quickly. Also, as much as Link's Awakening, it didn't take away sales of Breath of the Wild. And Breath of the Wild didn't necessarily increase sales of Link's Awakening.  Right. You know. So I think that hits on a sort of a different audience. Yeah, it does. It does. Also, but going back to the Twilight Principle Maker thing, if maybe they're going to actually go back and make some changes to them again. Well, then maybe it does. It does. Right. It would warrant actually some more of an advertising window. Like tingle buys would probably have to get removed. Yeah. Well, there would have to be some changes. But I guess my point is that it might be enough changes to where it's not just like, hey, here's a remaster. We're dropping it real quick. It might be like, oh, this is kind of like a 3D World Deluxe thing where they're putting some a little bit more care into this. And they can kind of build it up for a few months. So maybe they could announce in this direct if they're putting some work into it. If it's just basically, you know, stripping off of the things that we don't need because it's no longer in Wii U and selling it, then I think that would wait until February direct. But if they're adding some stuff. Yeah, who knows? I mean, you're adding content. That's a whole different whole different ballpark. Well, you're going to bouse this fury this bad boy. Let's go. That'd be sick. I mean, after all, even Link's Awakening, which, yeah, was a full visual reimagining. They did include a dungeon maker in it. So like, you don't really know what they're going to do because like Skyward Sword, HG, they didn't really do that much. Oh, you know what they talk about? That'll probably be in the direct. Aren't they adding they're dropping the amiibos, right? The new amiibos. No, yeah, we don't have the Zelda amiibo dates. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. So probably some amiibo names. New gliders in the game, too. So I guess there's kind of, there's not DLC. There's content being added. It's already in there. It is a great transition.  Because. Of course. There it is. Well, I had a couple of things. All right. Hey, no, no, no. What do you mean?  I don't know. But you literally can reach and strangle me. I know I can.  I had thought of a couple of games that, you know, could, I doubt we'll ever see, but or happen in this direct. But, you know, why not? Hey, it's a dream. Throw us stuff out there. You said switch to already. You're already dreaming. Let's go. You know, when are we going to see Mario Maker 3? Next system. If it exists at all. Right. I don't think Mario Maker is so well enough. I don't even know what they're going to do. I would say I think Mario Maker is dead in the water. It did. Next lifetime. No, I would say this. They will bring it back if it's 3D Mario Maker. That would be crazy. 3D Mario Maker? That's not going to be right now. That's not going to be right now. Yeah. And another game that could possibly give us an idea of maybe when the switch to would be coming out would be the next Monster Hunter game. Okay. If they announced Monster Hunter game that's coming to switch. There's supposed to be a new announcement from Capcom that's supposed to be a big seller for early next year. There better be Mega Man Legends 3 around boycotting Capcom forever. You're boycotting them forever? I want them to finish Mega Man Legends 3. Yeah, it's just not going to happen. I was like, why are we boycotting Capcom? Yeah, I mean, they've been doing some good stuff. You really want Legends 3. You really want Legends 3. It's just not going to happen. I actually love Capcom. Don't stop. That's your opinion. But I think it could be an early, early addition to the switch too. You know, or the next generation switch if they did announce that. So if you'd say, you know, summer or, you know, give a timeframe too, that could give a little hint on where that for which one for Monster Hunter. Oh, okay. You know, you see where I'm going with that though? I mean, well, here's, no, no, here. They're kind of overdue to launch a Monster Hunter World 2 at this point. I'll be right back because Monster Hunter World sold so damn well. But I just don't know. I mean, that could be what they announced. And maybe that's coming to the next platform, but it's going to launch first on everything else because, you know, it's already ready or something. Maybe. I don't know. There's so much to consider when you talk about that. There's that resident evil game that was teased at one point that was supposed to come to switch and then just never got announced. It probably got canceled. So I don't know. Maybe the big announcement is Xbox Game Pass is coming, baby. Yeah. Right. Let's go. That'd be interesting. But I had one last one. Phil Spencer, baby. He was busy playing Mario this last weekend. Let's go. Let's go. He's officially, officially partnering them up. Call of Duty, the new one in the Nintendo Direct. I just, the deal's not done yet. So, so. No, I then I had one last one that I thought could be interesting. But we haven't had a game since, I believe, 2019. Let me double check that if I can find it again. No. Okay. But they do something along the lines of Kirby in the Forgotten Land, but for Luigi or for Yoshi. Sorry. Because we haven't had a Yoshi game. A 3D Yoshi game. We haven't had a, we haven't had a Yoshi game. Oh, true. A 3D Yoshi game. Yeah. They do something like Kirby in the Forgotten Land, but for Yoshi. Let's see. Why are you going to the chat with your best ideas? Jake, why are we going to the chat? That was the best prediction yet. And you put it in the chat. It wasn't my prediction. It was Leblore's to Time. That's why I was in the chat. I was responding to him. Wow. Credit for Ocean. It's Nintendo's Warriors is clearly goatee this year. Shadow Drop 98 overall. Metacritic, it's happening. Nintendo's first cats. Oh, man. Put cat and dog lovers against each other. Oh, man. The bloodbath ensues. Oh, man. There's so many different types of cats and dogs, man. It would be crazy. Anyways, well, are you good? Okay. The only reason I was grabbing that transition is he brought up Tears of the Kingdom. So I was like, what a perfect transition. I know. Yeah, sometimes you do slap me upside the head, though. All right. Now we transition. Even though Andrus is gone, he'll be back. We got to get into the tears of the kingdom. Won't be getting DLC. Tears of the Kingdom. Zelda sort of topic combined. Future of Zelda. And the reason that we now know that Tears of the Kingdom supposedly won't be getting DLC. We must just say it won't because the words are pretty clear. And it's been translated by multiple people. And all of a sudden the words are pretty clear. They don't really leave room for weird interpretations. But I'm using a quote here. It came directly from my interview from Famitsu where they were asked about additional content for Tears of the Kingdom or the future of Zelda. And Fujiwaiashi was just sort of like, you know, I don't really know what direction we're going to go quite yet, yada, yada. And then Onuma just comes in and just drops a hammer and just says, there are no plans to release additional content this time. Not at this time, like many of us kept saying in our videos because that's how we read it. This time. So like literally just we're not releasing DLC. It's just not happening. Because we feel that we have exhausted the possibilities of creating play in that world. So they have a reason for it. They never at any point were planning to do DLC just period that stuff we saw on the website. It was only on one official website, by the way, where I mentioned DLC and it was probably just human error. I think we forget all these official websites are often the worst place to get official information because there's a lot of human errors on these websites. People forget that because they maybe didn't cover these. I used to cover all the website stuff back on the written. I used to do little journalism stuff and do there's errors all over those websites. So it was probably just an error from one employee working on the website that the text even appeared that. And that's and we can say that in hindsight now because again, he said there are no plans, which means they never had plans. Like they didn't change their mind. If they felt like they exhausted all their possibilities, they would have known that before the game even came out. All right. So anyway, so he says that then he goes on. The reason we decided to make this sequel. So the reason this game even exists, here's the kingdom with the previous game in the first place is because we felt that the new play, so their new ideas was worth experiencing in that Hyrule place. So the new ideas they had for Zelda, they thought were worth it. Didn't he say it's because the game itself is a DLC? Well, okay. We'll get to that in a moment. No, he technically that that's an old comment from him. Yes, we can get to that. I'm just messing with you. Yeah, I know you are. I know you are. There was a lot of trolls out there still parenting that to this day. It's just DLC, $70 DLC. What garbage is it? Anyways, if it's 70, dude, if you want to call it DLC, it's the greatest DLC ever made. I love it. Just no cap. I'm just throwing that out there. Anyways, the reason why we decided to make this sequel in the previous game in the first place is because we felt that the new play was worth experiencing in that Hyrule. Then if those reasons are renewed, we may go back to the same world, whether it's in a sequel or a new work. Or whether it is a sequel. So he's talking about the next game here, whether it is a sequel. So whether it's a sequel to Tears of the Kingdom or it's a brand new world, I think it'll be a new way to play. And I hope you will look forward to it. So literally, there's no DLC coming. The only thing they're focusing on is the next Zelda game. And he's not going to say it's not going to be a sequel to Tears of the Kingdom. But he's also saying it's probably going to be something new. And Fujiwashi heavily hinted that it's going to be something new with his previous comment. But basically, there's no plans for DLC. It's not happening. I don't think they're changing their mind later. If they want to revisit this Hyrule, it's going to be because they have a new idea. Now, there's a lot of implications with this that we got to get into that go even beyond new content. But one thing I want to point out, and you know, Taurus had to bring it up with one of his member chats, saying, Prime called no DLC for Tears of the Kingdom. How did you know? And I will state, I did not know. I had a suspicion before the game came out, because we're getting too close to the next system that they weren't going to do DLC. But I had talked about DLC possibilities. Then I beat the game. So the reason that I called no DLC, but long before we knew officially, was that when I beat Tears of the Kingdom, and I got the true ending, unlike Breath of the Wild, where it left an open door. Oh, there's something going on over here. We need to go check out this Divine Beast, Fa Ruta, yada, yada, yada. This game's ending, and I don't want to spoil it, but it just had a finality to it. It felt like there was nothing else really left. Now, as Andres and I debated in prior podcasts, there were ways you could still go with the DLC, in spite of all of that. Of course, there's always, you know, what's going on with Master Koga? He's still around somewhere. Or where's Cass? There's no explanation for Cass. There's all these, you know, loose ends that they could create DLC for. But the way the game ended to me just felt emphatic. Like, we're done. We are in a time of peace now. And if we're in a time of peace, and Link lost his arm ability, then what are we doing anymore? It's no longer Tears of the Kingdom. We're now in peacetime. So, to me, I just look at this as I saw the ending and went, there is going to be no DLC. And I've been very emphatic about it since. I've had lots of people arguing against me. So, this is the sort of validation I got today where I snicker a little bit because called it. But then I also go, I wanted to be wrong. Damn it. I want, as a content creator, I wanted to be wrong because Tears of the Kingdom content just pops. So, like, having a bunch of news for DLC is great for the channel. And on top of that, it's my favorite game of all time. Why wouldn't I want more? But I just sort of had this gut feeling and I stuck by it. So, it's sort of a bittersweet. Like, I'm right, but I don't really want to be right. So, your guys' thoughts, first off, on the fact that there is no DLC. I think that they know that it was wrong to patch the Duke glitch. So, they want to make sure that everyone that didn't patch is not forced to. Yeah. So real. So real. That's all it's about. We can roll it back, but we're not going to roll it back. No. I mean, I think that Tears of the Kingdom is the DLC. But it's like, you know, it's not actually. Like, I think it's much better than the DLC.  It's not, it's not, it's not a DLC. Don't give me, I'm not saying in terms of quality. I'm just saying, I think all, it's like Mario Galaxy 2. It's, I think it's something in that scenario where the creators thought, hey, we have all these new ideas. Let's do a DLC, but then they just kept building and building and were like, oh, let's just make a new game. And so I think they're just tapped. And I think that they're just happy with the state of the game the way it is now. Yeah. And honestly, when I was thinking about DLC, like something I thought might be cool would for them to add more Zonai devices and stuff. But like, when you look at the game, it's like they already had that thought and the stuff that they would add for DLC for extra Zonai devices, they just put them all in there. Because there's a ton of stuff that you don't even touch. According to the game. Which is good. Yeah. According to an interview, they actually, the Famitsu interview went deep diving into the development of Tears of the Kingdom. And one of the things they said is they actually had like hundreds of ideas for Zonai devices. I bet. But they narrowed it down to the ones that allowed the most freedom because a lot of the ideas were very narrow and how you could use it. Like it would only really do this one thing and there really wasn't any other thing you could do with it. And so they wanted to choose devices that opened up creativity. So like, oh, a fan, it blows air. Well, with our physics engine, imagine what you can do with just a fan. And some of the ideas they had were more so like, oh, no, it just wasn't, it didn't fit the nature of what they were going for. So I too thought maybe new Zonai devices could be a thing because, you know, I can maybe think of some ideas on the top of my head that could maybe be really cool to try out. But I mean, honestly, what they have now is already incredible. Also, one thing I do want to note from this interview that isn't being talked about is they mentioned the game wasn't actually seamless until literally months before the game came out. You could not jump from a sky island and dive down to the depths. It just did not work. It did not function. And so they wanted to make sure to give the developers a huge shout out for that entire year of polish, a huge chunk of it was trying to make that work because they weren't sure if it was actually going to make it that seamless in the final game. They thought they were going to have to put a load screen and they didn't. Now you could argue it sort of is a load screen because the holes are so deep, but apparently it's not because you can, if you didn't know, you could tumble down those holes all the way down there. It's not a load. There's a physical thing you can interact with. So, you know, big credit to them. Also, it shows that like some of their ideas are bigger than what, than what Switch can do. This is how the team's ready for new hardware. Definitely. I can't wait to see what they do with better hardware because they're a team that will absolutely take advantage of it. Oh, it doesn't look graphically that much more impressive. Oh, my dude, the things they're doing with this game, shouldn't it be? Guys, Starfield isn't seamless. It's got load screens everywhere. True. Get there. Everywhere. They're pretty quick. Get there. They are quick. They're not bad. They also have load sequences. Every time you land on a section of the planet, it's like a 15 second, you know, pre-rendered landing sequence. And that's, guys, it's loading. That was pre-rendered sequence. It's loading. That's what they're loading the planet. So it's fine, by the way. Tons of games have load screens. But like for the Zelda team, Breath of the Wild was seamless. We want this to be seamless too. Like it wasn't even like an option to them. They wanted this to be seamless. So now they set that expectation now. They also briefly talked about those fan expectations. They asked Fujiwashi, hey, you know, are you worried that, you know, hey, Breath of the Wild set the bar here? Here's the kingdom. Somehow it set the bar even higher. You know, the expectations for this next game are going to be to go even higher. And he literally just said, yeah, I'm not worried about the fan expectations. We're going to exceed anything they could think of. And then literally Famitsu just burst out laughing. There's a huge like, oh, mic drop moment. And then he comes back in and he just, he basically just says, yeah, dude, like our develop, like where I want to go with Zelda is like so far beyond what any of the fans have even conceptualized is essentially what he said. So he's like, what, what bar? Our bar is way higher than they even, than even a fan could imagine. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means. What does that mean Fujiwashi? I don't know what that means. All I know is, well, damn, is this going to become a pattern where every new Zelda game that comes out just becomes my new favorite Zelda game because Fujiwashi just keeps raising the bar. I don't even know how you keep, how do you keep, how do you go from a Goaty to a potential another Goaty? And then you raise the bar even, how do you? I will say that that team, the expectations I had going into Tears of the Kingdom, Nintendo met them. I had high expectations. And when I say, and I don't just mean like in a vague sense, like I don't want to spoil the game too much, but kind of like a lot of what I thought the game would be was kind of what it was. Like they went in the directions that they, we didn't really think some people didn't even think would be possible what they did. I'll just say, big giant boss fight. For those that know, you know, right? The, obviously the depths like in from the skies, like just how much goes on there. I recorded just a little bit of Tears of the Kingdom footage earlier today. And I was just kind of walking on the surface of Hyrule and it's just kind of interesting. You're walking on the surface of this already incredible vast open world. And yet you see these dozens of vast and varied islands in the sky that you can go to. Like it just kind of, when you put that into perspective, like this is kind of mind boggling. So what I'm getting at here is that I have full faith in the Zelda team. And you know, I think that they know what they got to do. And given that- I trust them so much, yeah. Right. And I guess my main, my main point here is that I feel like I have a decent pulse of where they're headed because I was pretty much spot on with kind of where they went with this game. Not saying I know what the next game is going to be. That's not what I'm trying to say. I just mean like- It's hard to know to really see a teaser for it. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess just like in terms of their ambition and scope, like I think they're going to do some really crazy things. And when they have more powerful hardware that's going to be an actual legitimate next-generational leap, we're going to see something insane. We're just going to take five years. One thing that I hope the next game will have one criticism I have, even though this is definitely my favorite game that I played this year. And one of my favorite games all time. Definitely. It might be like a top two or three switch game, but at least top five. There's off the top of my head. But I wish there was a little bit more story or like they did it in a way that made me a little more invested. And I know that Zelda has not really ever had like an intense story. But I guess like you look at a game like Twilight Princess there's some more like character development with Midna. And one of the things specifically that here's the Kingdom Breath of Wild that it too is a lot of your motivation and like what's going on is based on things that you as the player didn't experience. It's stuff that happened hundreds of years ago or in the past, you know, including like what's going on in the other factions. And when you get the last Sage and it's like I want to experience the full story. Like I don't want to like be going through this game like hearing about all this cool stuff. Like I guess I want a game where it's I want background for stuff. I you know, I want to like get some lore. But I guess I want more of like a focus to be on me experiencing all the cool things. If that makes sense.  Like you're all like she's feeling all confident because you just completed the mask. And you're like, yeah, she thought that's what you needed. And he just, no, Lincoln, you're just wrecked. And then, you know, you have to take Midna over to Zelda. And then she has to do what she does to save her. It's you felt a deep connection to Midna because you went through a huge chunk of that journey with it. There were things that happened that weren't about you that you find out later.  And all of a sudden you care about it.  And you're like, holy, what did you just do? You didn't know. No, no, no. I'm going to take and then you can't do anything. That's why I'm like, even a game like Ocarina of Time, it's not a crazy story. But I felt more like, I felt more like I cared about defeating Ganondorf. You know, like it mattered to me. And I'll say like, that's a little bit of what I missed. Tears of the Kingdom gave me that with Zelda. And again, I don't want to spoil a lot. But I think the huge reason that the Zelda stuff resonated was because it was a longer adventure that spanned two games. Um, so I had a care for a character that wasn't just built up in a single game. It was two games of build up for my, my caravan. Because I cried, I cried in some moments with the Zelda stuff. Kingdom without ever having played Breath of the Wild. And it really didn't make much of a difference. You know, so many different stuff. But it's like all new characters, basically. Like when Zelda fell down that pit. I kind of fronted down a little bit for me.  I think we just have different opinions because like for me, I, I, I, I mean, I make three videos on this, right? So I get different, I get different perspectives in all my comments. But everyone feels very differently about the game. But for me, I actually felt like they connect the Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom pretty well. Um, I do, I do kind of see how like they didn't do it as much to maybe make, leave it open for those who want to just kind of jump in. But for me, it was enough to feel so it felt like a connected adventure. And I actually, something I really appreciate about Ocarina of Time was that there was this connection between Link and Ganondorf, which really made the final fight have a strong payoff. But I actually was happy with what they did with Ganondorf and Tears of the Kingdom.  Yeah, it's so hard to top of those point stuff. Yeah. But if you do every single story thing, like I feel like they give you a decent amount. I was 100% in it, except for the core oxides. Oh yeah.  Like for me, I felt like they gave us that, that connection. Like I felt like the, the battle. It's just a difference of how you, how. I will say, I mean. The difference is how you experience a story.  So much better than Ganondorf and Breath of the Wild. Like that was. That's night and day. Yeah. Ganondorf was nobody. He was in no personality in the first game. Yeah. That was the worst. I'm evil. I mean, he improved in pretty much everything I feel in Tears of the Kingdom. But like I said, it's just like, like you said, there's no cast, all the sages, they're just gone. And like it makes sense. Like they explained it, but like it's just, I wish there was more. I think you're going to get more in this new, in this new Zelda game. The one that's coming up, I think they're going to get away from the memories. Because there's a lot of things that like made Breath of the Wild in Tears of the Kingdom, what they were, and a lot of similar things that made that made it familiar. And I think that the way they're hinting that they're sort of going to go in a new direction, they aren't really sure the whole thing's going to be yet. Because of course, they know they're super early in development. They, they're not really sure exactly where this is going to go yet. I know. So unless it's a sequel, which they didn't rule out entirely, they just sort of hinted that we're not really thinking of doing a sequel right now. They're not really thinking of going back, which tells me that the direction they're going with this next one is new. But I think they want to leave the door open because Nintendo has revisited parts of the timeline in the past, like at different times, you know, where they brought games that are still connected to old games, even though they went away from it for a while and stuff. So I think they just, I think they just, they want to slam the door shut. This Hyrule and these characters just in case they decide to revisit it someday. But I do think that they, at least it sounds to me like they're going to be going in with a new world and a new link and new Zelda, new whatever. I think I'd want that. And I think that what's cool about that is it resets your expectations as well. So you're going to have people going in like, oh man, we're going to do memories again. There won't be memories. It's going to be something different. They're going to do something because like all the things that, that sort of made it tick will be different. I mean, are there some things I wish they would keep that I think it's hard not to have? That's hard for me to imagine not climbing everything. It's pretty hard for me to imagine not doing that, but maybe I don't need to because of some new way that they're handling, maybe they get rid of it, but now we can hook shot. One thing I would really like to see. A lot of the building stuff is optional in the game, right? Like you can get by a lot of it without it if you want, or you can get as creative as you want. One of the things that I wish similar thing, because this isn't a feature that everyone loved, but I would really like it. Have you build Link's house? If you could just do that anywhere, like build like your own little towns or whatever, I would have a blast with that. And they've already had the mechanics. You know what I mean? Yeah, it feels like they could have done even more, which is kind of crazy. I feel like for that, I feel like that idea just needed new hardware, because you'd have to have a lot smarter AI and a lot more interact. And again, they're getting that. It sounds CPU intensive, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the rumors on Switch 2 are true, this new Zelda, man. That is because there's a game, it's actually my favorite Switch game, Above Tears of the Kingdom Breath of Wild. Minecraft is Dragon Quest Builders 2. So it is Minecraft. Tears of the Kingdom does what better. Okay, people look at it and just think it's a Minecraft clone. It's not at all. It's so sick. It's like Breath of Wild's Last Tears of the Kingdom, but also like Animal Crossing. You can recruit different people to your towns and stuff. And I adore that game. I just got the Platinum for it. I just replayed it for the time. And a lot of the stuff they added to Tears of the Kingdom, that was an improvement. I know for a fact, they got that. Like that triggered a lot of the ideas. A lot of like quality of life improvements. And yeah, so when like we get like a little bit of the building like that, that's obviously a big part of that game. And I don't like Minecraft is a thing. So that's why it's like weird. But like I said, it's way more like Zelda. Than Minecraft. But I've seen a game do that on Switch hardware. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I would love something like that. But that's obviously like my personal base. And that's why I said, you know, it's something that if you don't want to touch it, if you don't like that, you don't have to. Just like a lot of the building stuff in Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah. I guess I didn't get a chance to sit to say this part because I was trying to fix the ice maker fridge, which I'm not sure I fixed. But I guess assuming there's no DLC, which probably isn't, but you never really know. Something that kind of disappoints me is I kind of feel like Tears of the Kingdom needs like a master mode or some sort of trial, like some sort of extra challenge. Because as you were sort of talking about earlier, how like we got it, we have all these options while the building and such like I kind of, you can play through the whole game without it. I just sort of feel like I have so much ability and power. And I don't have a way to really truly utilize it and push it to the max. It would be nice if there was some sort of challenge offered. They kind of gave me more opportunity to really push things.  Four heart. And that would, yeah, four heart. They require the four now. And that would be hard. That would be very hard. But like at least like I kind of like it when there's natural ways provided to do, to offer more challenge. Like the trial was sorted in Breath of the Wild was amazing. Like that was some pretty sick challenge. The upload, that might have been my favorite part. It was really good. Even like the the obliterator segment in the wave two part was really cool. Even master mode was nice. Like it feels weird that we don't have a difficulty option in Tears of the Kingdom, but there's a difficulty option in every other priors out there in the last like. You think like they can add a difficulty option and just not count that as DLC? Maybe that's what he meant. Maybe. Yeah, I was going to say master mode. I put it in the notes master mode could be just a free update. Yeah, I can totally see that extra. Like, yeah, here I have it. The only reason not to do it would be because they did charge for it before. So then you're not going to charge. I know. So yeah, and the subscribers only get it feels that would be I'm going to say I don't think they're adding anything. I don't think they're adding even even the master mode stuff. I think they felt like this game was already a step up in difficulty over Breath of the Wild and they're just really satisfied with the way it is. Like someone just had a good point in the chat that they added dreadnode to Metroid Dread and they didn't count that as DLC. Sure. Yeah, they're free updates. So maybe there could be some free updates. Like actually the Metroid Dread had some pretty cool free updates. That wasn't just dreadnode. Like there was a boss rush mode and stuff. So they offered a lot of hours of replayability for free. So, you know, if they do add a difficulty, remember we're counting it as DLC and saying Nate was wrong. I don't think they're adding the difficulty anyways. All right, cool. We got them all. You know, because here's the thing. They added the right. They added the trial. They added the difficulty. And I and if you actually think about Tears of the Kingdom, not only was it technically, in my opinion at least, I don't know if I want to use a more difficult overall game than Breath of the Wild, just comparing the normal mode to normal mode. True. I think it's more difficult. Also, oh, they don't really not be a trial, but they added a bunch of Colosseums in the underworld that have waves. So I feel like that was their replacement. They're so easy. Yeah, sure. Yeah. There's a Lionel one. Yeah. That would argue isn't a difficulty. Those are cream puffs for me, but I hear you. Yeah. The Lionel one was. Sure. For you, it's cream puffs, which means on Master Mode, it probably still be cream puffs. And they had like all the Glyox. That's just to be real. A Master Mode for a Master is still a cream puff. I've watched people Master Mode, Breath of the Wild make it look like a joke. I feel like Breath of the Wild was the hardest, but only like the first part of the game, like when you have nothing. True. Like, Andres, I watched you do Master Mode, you know, your Breath of the Wild run before Cheers of the Kingdom. And the only reason that it was more difficult is you still imposed restrictions on yourself. Oh, yeah. It was a Master Mode three-heart run for a while. Yeah. So like the only reason it was hard is because you imposed restrictions anyway. So even with Master Mode, people were still not thinking it was that difficult in the damn first place. Like if you're actually really good at the game, oh no, there's another level of enemy that still mostly moves in the same way and you could still deal with it. But 12 is sword, like that? That was hard. That was sword, yeah. That was hard. That was hard. That was hard. That's why so many people remember it so fondly. Yeah. Though some of the hardcore fans. That was a good time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is a resets you, right? Like, your advantages don't really matter.  So when do you not need the buff at the beginning? Like, that's not when the buff's really that helpful. So yeah. I mean, you could have hearts. That's about it.  But yeah, but that's why that was good. But then if you think about that, they even took that idea. How many shrines do they just take away all your equipment? True. They did it a lot. They literally just took what that does and spread it out in different ideas. I like that. That was way better than some of the shrines in Breath of the Wild. Yeah. It got rid of a lot of the shrines. Dude, I died a ton in some of those shrines. A ton. Yeah. Arrow hit me that I didn't see come in. No, I like that because then you had to do it with the Nintendo. It wasn't that I, I will say, it wasn't that I really thought they were hard, but it was just figuring out how I wanted to tackle it and then sometimes forgetting about an enemy and that's the one that gets me. Yeah. I guess I'm just going through the stages of grief right now. Like right now we're in the bargaining stage because like, oh, well, you know, like maybe we won't get like a whole adventure, but maybe we could at least get a difficulty option. We're deaf, I'm deaf. Five stages of grief happening. See, I already could just be me. I just didn't expect it in the first place. So, okay, we're not getting it. I'm sorry that that's the video I had to make today. Because I literally said in the video, I don't want, I wanted to be wrong. I like when I'm wrong. Because usually my takes are like, yeah, it's not going to be great. It's not going to be like, it's more like tempered to create low expectations. Yeah. So when that actually ends up being the case, it's like, it kind of sucks. But also I have a rainbow at the end here. What's your rainbow? There's always a rainbow at the end. And that is- You and I are on the same page on this. Because there's no DLC. We are getting the new game sooner. And that is exciting to me. Heck, you know, like I understood five years from now. Yeah, dude, 2028. I could easily see a brand new Zelda game coming out. That's right in the heart of the new system. That's awesome. That's really cool. And I'm stoked for that. The only way it won't come out- I'm ready to announce it sooner. The only way it won't come out. Yeah, it could be even sooner. Maybe it's four years. But the only way it won't come out in 2027 or 2028 will be because the Switch 2 tanked. And then they're going to save it for the best. I don't think there's any team I trust more in gaming other than the Zelda game.  Like, yeah. That's the thing. They're still good. I'm glad you brought Retro. If the- Yeah, obviously, if the Metroid Prime 4- Well, one thing, the remaster was already fantastic. So Retro's on a great start. Great, great tracker to begin with. But there's still- It's one-on-one, you know, they're not- They've only taken one shot. But if Metroid Prime 4 ends up being a banger, I'll probably trust them a lot, too. I think they would be- I don't give them that much credit for Metroid Prime 1, because it was a game already made. Like, you just had to make it look pretty. You just don't mess it up. It's a negative evil. Just don't mess it up. I- You're giving them credit for not messing up a good thing. It was already a good thing. And don't go over there. I know you and I have disagreed on how much work went into this, but dude, it was already a pre-made game. Just don't mess up a good thing. It's not, like, believe it or not, that's actually hard to do. There are- That is worth some credit. How many times have old games come back with remasters and they're bad? They botched it. Yeah. And it's bad. Yeah. Like, I think Secret of Mana's remaster. No, that ain't it. They did it with Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. Messed that one up.  They screwed that up bad. It's like not playable. You can make sure it's getting better, Gil Solid. Like, there's been mess ups, so it does mean something to not mess it up, also still be high praised, also still be able to get into 95, and also still have it to be one of the better looking games on a platform. There is credit to be given, but it's not the same as building a game from the ground up. Just because I haven't got a chance to actually say what I think. I know. I know. So- I was just throwing that out. Defend yourself. Defend yourself. Now go. I mean, we're on the same page. Yeah, I want it to be okay. Yeah. We're on the same page. Like, I think Retro Studios could be a developer that showcases that they are one of the best. I think we have reason to believe, some reason believe that Nintendo has been helping Retro Studios to really build up in the West. They maybe want to have that premiere Western developer in-house. They've been hiring a lot of talent, and we'll see with Metroid Prime 4, we'll see if that's truly the case. Supposedly, they're already hiring for another AAA project. And so, if that's what they become, that would be amazing. But the fact of the matter is, before Metroid Prime remastered, as good of a remaster as that is, maybe the best remaster you could really, like you possibly could do. Like, they did incredible stuff. They showcased it. From a technological perspective, they have what it takes to do amazing things. But before primary master, what did we get from them? This is a huge drought. Since- Donkey Kong, Tropical Freeze 2014. Right. Right. Like, that's like, what, a nine-year gap. And if this game doesn't come out until next year, that's a decade between new releases for them. Well, even in Donkey Kong, like, they've reset house since Donkey Kong at that point. That's probably why- Well, they reset house several times. Like, the reason I think Retro Studios has been having such a hard time and maybe Nintendo's having a hard time with them, Nintendo's internal development teams don't have a lot of turnover. But Retro Studios does, because it's a Western studio and Western studios have a lot of turnover. And I don't know that Nintendo has been able to manage that, as well as companies built in the West who know about that and plan for it and are prepared. Like, a lot of Nintendo's employees, they just published this in Japan, they have only had a 7% turnover in the last decade at Nintendo of Japan. 7%. Japan, Japanese companies average is 30%. And Nintendo's at 7%. They just don't have turnover. They keep their talent. They're not contract employees. You work at Nintendo in Japan, you're probably working there the rest of your life. That's just the way that company is. So when you have that level of talent, that's why you get this consistency with the Zelda team, with the Mario team, monolith soft, got to give them tons of credit for all the stuff they do. They barely have any turnover. And so you go through all of that. That's all in Japan where a majority of their games are made. So now they own Retro Studios. Great company. He was independent at one point, helping out with some stuff, hired the same team, made a slew of games pretty quickly in a 10-year period. And then there's turnover. And Nintendo never had to deal with a top tier developer that basically just resets its talent every 10 years. And I feel like that might be part of the struggle on why it's been almost 10 years since we got a brand new game is because Nintendo doesn't know how to manage. They want to make it like Japan, but the people that work in the West, and this is not just this is just how it works. This industry in the West is all contracts. People aren't looking for full-time. They want, I want a contract because they want freedom. And I know this because I know some game developers in the AAA space that have told me they like that they have freedom that if they don't like want to work on Call of Duty the rest of their life, they don't have to because their contract ends and they can go get at a different company and work on a new project. So there's a lot of movement in the West. And I don't know that Nintendo has been able to navigate that as well. And now they have two Western Studios because they they have the one that does Luigi's Mansion now too out of Canada. Oh yeah, true level. So is and that one's eventually going to hit the point of their re-and-turnover. So it's going to be interesting to see if Nintendo like they've consistently provided good games. Sure. And so did Retro Studios for a while until turnover. So I think there'll be a point that the contracts end and there'll be turnover and how's Nintendo going to manage that. So we'll see maybe Nintendo's whole plan is hey, we're planning to end that culture and we're going to bring our Japanese culture into studios and people are going to want to stay here full time which is hard to do because that credit raises and everyone at some point wants to be a senior level person and that's just not going to be the case. Also from like a creative standpoint people want to move on to different like creative projects like not even. It's weird that in Japan. I mean literally what Nintendo is doing in Japan other companies can't do. So I don't it's crazy to me how this all works. But you know what maybe this Metroid Prime 4 is a sign if it comes out and it hits and it hits the way we want it because there's a very there's a reality where Metroid Prime 4 actually isn't that great and I don't want that reality to exist and it's hard for me to imagine it because Retro Studios hasn't technically released since they were bought by Nintendo a game that didn't hit. But I can't say that it's impossible for a bad game not to happen like we saw with other M and we were really excited about that possibility. We don't know it's possible it doesn't hit and if it doesn't hit then I have no idea maybe they even close Retro Studios at that point but I yeah there there is I think that this is like a new era and if this game does slap the way we want it to that then maybe Nintendo has finally figured out after a decade how to navigate these waters of shifting employees and then we might start to see more regular releases where they start to realize hey we got like oh look Andres mentioned there are hiring people for a new project Nintendo catching on that we need to hire people for projects ahead of time we can't just wait until a game comes out and then think we can hire no no no if we want another project we got to already be signing contracts for that because the people working on this might not be available to work on that because they already have a new deal signed somewhere somewhere else so maybe if Metroid Prime 4 slaps to me that's a good sign Nintendo's finally figured out how the West works. Well here's maybe another good sign going back to the hiring thing that they're already hiring for triple A development that may suggest that they already know what they have as a banger like they like Prime 4 I'm sure they're probably confident yeah it's not and the other thing to be fair they were confident in other M2 so I don't want to well I mean do they do the way they hyped it up before before reveal and even into they thought it was a banger marketing that's different I don't know literally I created Metroid was like this is like oh anyways I'm gonna leave it alone I'm gonna leave it alone they they hyped up other M like it was the next big thing it was pretty damn cool yeah I enjoyed other M by the way I liked other M they thought they thought it was a banger and then the fans disagreed no yeah well so like them thinking it's a banger doesn't always necessarily mean that it is me and Mota was excited about Star Fox 0 too so yeah he thought it was the future of Star Fox baby listen the man's a genius but even geniuses make mistakes did we music dude he thought that was like the next generation of music games dude he thought we music was gonna be like dude he thought it was gonna be a new he thought it was gonna be we sports the we sports and music games the next guitar he thought it was oh yeah yeah he thought he was a me guitar hero I mean it doesn't always come together Nintendo almost thinks everything they release is a good idea and a bang yeah just as youtubers right sometimes we do we do video topics we're like oh yeah this is this one's gonna be freaking great it dropped and then it flopped yeah like oh I guess not yeah I thought I thought my my prime news video today was really good three titles and four thumbnails later and it's gonna be my worst viewed video in the last two weeks what are you gonna do sometimes you just can't make things bang so far he's a two inch destroyer for a reason he's just destroying my dreams now and my paycheck damn bastard something exciting to think about though like pig as metro prime force taken so long sure yeah and we don't know how the development process has been but I'm kind of hoping they've it's been a little bit like how they've been developing Breath of Wild and she's the kingdom where it's kind of like they have this massive group and they kind of work on it in faces right they work on it then they kind of play it together for a little while convene to brainstorm talk about ideas and go work on it again like they came out with this new style development which is what led to Breath of the Wild and she's the kingdom like it'd be interesting if maybe they kind of incorporate some of those design philosophy development philosophies with with metro prime I have no idea right I'm just yeah it would be cool and if it is the case maybe a lot of developers working on this project may think oh we want to stick around here like this this is a development environment where while we may be in one studio we have a lot of freedom with our creativity we have a lot more say in what this game becomes we'll see sure so let's bring this full circle there's going to be a new Zelda game at some point I mean they very emphatically been saying they're working on a new one so without before we even get a tease because you know tease could be in two years three years who knows they could tease it when I borrow yeah it literally could be next year they could tease it alongside the name switch to like we just don't know you just don't know what they're gonna do they could give us a teaser they could and like a true teaser we're like it's so early they barely have anything in the show but it's like a flash of an art or something that you're just like what is going on they could do what they did in 2019 and we end up just like remember the skyward sword art that came out when we didn't see the game yet we knew nothing I remember all the speculation for like they could do something like that just to let people know hey we're not launching with a Zelda but it's common but anyways I'm not saying they're going to do that I think I think they actually have a lot to show off for the next system so they're not gonna need to do that but I do think that you know that there's a new Zelda game coming at some point so before we even get a teaser and can even start just making crap up on the spot let's start making crap up right now what's this next Zelda game gonna be give me your best early first guess here's my idea all right so think Star Wars Zelda like the link's gonna have a light is this because they didn't go to the moon definitely because they didn't go to the moon yeah they're going to the space maybe they're going to space maybe not even necessarily space but I I love the idea of like just them going full exotic alien world right like you go down to the depths and like it's some crazy stuff like I want like maybe it's it maybe it's a situation where we don't even know like it's it's a world maybe they even still call it Hyrule but the way it looks the way it feels it just feels out of this world we have no idea where it is in the timeline it could be way way into the past it could be way way into the future it's a mystery right it's part of like trying to figure out what it is but the world we explore is just like this super exotic world the plants the animals they all look very different from anything we've seen before but there still is like some ancient technology kind of like that Star Wars vibe where it's kind of like a merger of like futuristic but like very ancient old which is what they're already doing in the Zelda game just for the record Skyward Sword Breath of the Wild Shards of the Kingdom that's exactly what they already do just but go go even further right and I think oh that'd be cool but you gotta play a little Zelda next game no there you go that'd be awesome you can you can say whatever you want Jake you don't know anything about this game yeah I don't think so I think they'll just give us a spin off it seems like a lot of people wanted that with the last one and I feel like Nintendo saw you know yeah that opinion going around I think they made Zelda a lot more involved into the kingdom like I think they know that she should be play a more vital role she shouldn't just be like a damn zone distress I don't know if that means that she'll be playable in the next main line Zelda but like Peach is getting her own me that's gonna do it for Peach yeah I'm down for her to get a spin off title yeah what if that's what they're gonna announce they're gonna announce like a like a Tears of the Kingdom spin off title it's about Princess Zelda I won't hate that spin off title with Zelda with Zelda in it yep yep the legend Zelda is the main character the legend of Link the legend of Link the legend of Link yep yeah so with the rom cdi games where you play a Zelda and you're trying to rescue Link or so is it doesn't one of those play like that oh yeah yeah it does Zelda's adventure um and Eric got the ideas for a new fresh Zelda game I I'd like to see like a a split like game where you're playing not only as Link Zelda but Ganondorf and you're trying to get to certain like just took are you in my brain right now right you just took this out of my head you get to certain check points in the story that happens and then you kind of jump over to the next one and then it all culminates into the final battle between like Game of Thrones style yeah true that'll be sick dude like I've always wanted a Zelda game that gives you the perspective of both sides because ever since the Wind Waker where we got a lot more perspective on why Ganondorf was doing what he was doing which makes him one of the most interesting Ganondorf to me because he it's understandable why he feels justified in what he's doing he's trying to make up for something he feels personally responsible for that was absolutely terrible and that was Hyrule getting flooded and all those people dying he wants to make up for that but obviously the way he's going about it isn't great because he doesn't know how to go about it in any way but evil he still has to be evil so I always thought like a game in Zelda let's us see both sides and play from both sides would be interesting and then when you get to the end it's like a choose your own ending like do you oh yeah the triumph I think Ganondorf actually has been in this entire time or it's not Ganondorf right like let's let's say like as an example let's say this game takes place timeline wise after this and there is no Ganondorf and it's something fine but whatever it is I want there to be like it would be really neat if you could sort of choose which side you actually thought was in the right so I love this idea I'm just gonna put my own spin on it like I would love to play as a Gerudo right maybe it feels like like a very much like a Sony game where like it's it's very narrative driven right you make a lot of choices basically what you're saying my and and that's how it is you're kind of steering the direction do you go more dark do you go more light do you become the hero do you become you gotta be careful we're getting into fable territory here oh and then the plot twist is that you're Ganondorf the fable's never been able to live up to the promise no but the plot twist is that it's it's inevitable like no matter what you do you go full evil people will be really mad about that because then it means all your decisions were pointless that they got mad in mass effect over that no they could maybe make some slight differences like you still become the demon king but maybe one part is like oh i thought you might you play as a female Gerudo but now we're just going all over the place now we're just spin-off territory i was thinking like i was thinking like you just like ganon not ganondorf not ganondorf give me a spin-off spin-off tears of the kingdom game i'm reju now let's go well i'm leaving the community you already know what happens to every you know like male Gerudo so like i don't know do we yeah they get mad i mean do we all right yeah that part's true wait the ones that like like mary humans like they still have Gerudo daughters like in tears of the kingdom all right so yeah maybe they don't have that much sex yeah no i mean no they there is a time where the females go out and find male partners that's that's part of their lore so like they're they're they're probably all but here's the thing we also seen Gerudo down a lot of them came back i'm sensing a lot of the worst kind of i'm sensing a lot of divorces being very common amongst the Gerudo like oh thank you for giving me thank you for you know letting me have a child i don't think there's even marriage i think they just be if i were just cut their heads off goodbye like a female Francis or whatever just like all right poor terry town guy man yep by Hudson now Hudson's the only one because see she stays by his side so it's like oh that's that's the love story is that she doesn't go back to the Gerudo she stays by his side well it's the it's the kids that has to go back yes yes but how many female Gerudo do you see walking around Hyrule there's not many you got the one that's going on where you're like i mean there's really not many in Gerudo town either there's like 20 thought relative relative they're in the army i don't really see anyone walking around Hyrule it's pretty empty hey now what you and so you see the occasional you were just during you know what jane along the path we have to change it from the two inch to world destroyer now you're just wrecking my wrecking my anyways your destroyer you know what i want to see plan what i want to see this is all the game though huh what are you wait what yeah i understood you can go since you you were yeah i got another idea we were to we kind of made we kind of did that to talk about again door fable like spinoff but that would be a spinoff not not a i'm not saying spinoff whole game mainline let's go oh that's that's wild that'd be sick but i do kind of want this in the next all the game i do want them to kind of take some cues from the elder stroll series and when i say that i mean i want to play as all the game that i want to feel like a living breathing world so i want to go i want there to be several towns in each town have dozens of characters to have their own like schedule their own life like they do that they have that like in hitano like but it's very small by comparison like like as lockdown's the biggest example where they everyone had something going on all the time right but but you know like for example we were just talking about the Gerudo like they're if we count the numbers it doesn't actually feel like a real believable world right like it's and if you play in an actual like elder scrolls game it feels like a believable world like you feel like you're going from town to town could also argue being prison anymore might have wiped out a bunch so i'm there they don't i'm not saying keep the numbers small in this world i'm not saying there isn't a story we know what if what if there is a i kept wondering about this with the Gerudo what if each Gerudo woman's only allowed to have one child like that's a cultural thing so they're just replacing themselves basically and that's why it's so small but what if they don't have a child i feel like i'm well then they're ejected from the community and they're putting all of them around and then what about what about yeah what about the talking about a cultural thing here come on how about the reed is that they just fly too high and die or they hit a propeller or something and then for the Zora do they just get eaten by a big fish and then they grow on as they just get drunk on on rocks and fry themselves like what are you talking about population control you just maybe i'm talking about culture it's a cultural humans can it's like religious like you gotta be married to have kids and some some religions are very strict about that can humans and Zora have kids they're fushy i mean what i don't know if all right my zelda game that i think is going to happen and can Zora is in a rito breed like what is that how the rito is i know they can fall in love but ritos ritos is a no-go right ritos got to stay by the side well the wind waker ritos were Zora i don't know man um what if they do a brother while it's like i don't know what's happening major's mask where where there's like a time i can't so like kind of building off of what andre said where there's like i'm a time mechanic so then you have each town has like okay or maybe like people like it maybe maybe you don't have something where you have to go back in time all the time or maybe but maybe like the weekly schedule repeats and so then it's like you want to do something at this time during this day of this week then it just the week repeats and everybody repeats the same week i don't know i think it'd be interesting concept to explore i just think you should make it a little bit easier and not as convoluted is uh is major's mask is i think major's mask is a great game but i think it's very um it's a very high bar to entry if that makes sense in my opinion things like and once you get there and you get it you're like oh okay but like major's mask is a hard game it's a hard game it's a very hard game yeah but imagine breath of the wild what was something cool like that that'd be neat or what if like there was like time maybe there was maybe there is the time thing right and then there's like each area you free for you you go to different areas and you free them from time loops hmm that'd be neat that'd be neat kind of you know they're like trapped in a bubble kind of mixture of like how the twilight prints us like shadow realm but then you put it under like a like a spell time thing and they're in the there's doing the time loop and you can even have it to where each time bubble is set it doesn't have to be set like when ganon attack it could be like a time bubble hits and they're back in the past of when the original ganon attack happens everybody's like preparing for war in this bubble but then the Gerudo are like thrown into the future for some reason and the Gerudo are preparing for something that happened in the future this feels like a plot line from the tv show once upon a time I mean maybe I don't know man I'm just saying that'd be neat it would be cool though not gonna be cool sorry I had to like if you kept saying that it just really made me literally have flashbacks to once upon a time I've seen every episode I don't even know what that is it's okay it's no ideas original a lot of people in my audience will have seen once upon a time the fact the fact that I just admitted to it probably just got me cancelled so twin mold was trash someone says in chat I don't know we know what these they're referring to yeah I don't know the the the chat's doing some weird things Eric's over here researching I don't know what he's doing you trying to find more male Gerudos doesn't say why are we still ever seen as Ganondorf I'm just throwing that out there technically it's the only we've ever seen I can already tell you that one that got that answer that trivia is locked in yeah might change someday who was who is saying oh it was Andres right you were saying that you might want to see something in space oh yeah because what about the Zonai world like where they came from yeah that'd be sick you get to visit the Zonai planet there you go land of Zonai there's your threequel yeah there's your land of it's actually it is actually a sequel that's used as a king of it takes place in an entirely different world and Link Link and Zelda go to space yeah it's called land of the Zonai that's the game they use they use all those Zonai devices to build a rocket ship and here we go true there do be straight up rockets in the Zonai tech huh they like they legit like the the the main characters go go to another planet like let's go what idea now the Zonai that are on their home planet have developed technology so much more than what was left behind in Hyrule yeah you land there and to and compared to what they have you look like you just arrived in a tin can that's actually not a bad idea there's so much blue together with links old ran is then you also ask yourself like what happened to the Zonai like why did they descend like what's the reason behind that why do the Zonai have a yeah there's a lot of potential for story there yeah true it'll probably one of those things that never gets answered like so many other things in Zelda I mean probably but like why would it be cool who the twilight people and all that stuff how about all the tech and Skyward so are there's a whole era that we've never seen oh that makes me so sad I love that's like my favorite area of Skyward Sword I is is the desert like time travel thing and that's why I kind of like that a concept in maybe in time just to oh there was this massive that's a logically advanced society that we've never been able to really see have a good day yeah just some remnants have a good day yeah an ancient advanced civilization in the oldest Zelda game the timeline yeah nothing else future until tears of the kingdom in breath of the wild had any sort of technology on that level and any of the Zelda games what is going on I have turns out that was also so and I if there's it another really of a somewhat hot button topic to talk about that's Pokemon related oh no two seconds or oh two seconds yeah no yeah no yeah no that was coming in sorry let me shut you down can't have two seconds flam sorry no yeah two seconds time one of both take your time two seconds is one of here right no what about what about a game where Lincoln and Ganondorf have to to team up but going against Demise go get through Demise returns Demise returns and Ganondorf and Lincoln team up to stop that's what I thought was gonna happen in tears of the kingdom but it didn't a lot of people thought Demise might come back yeah you never know yeah they could do a