It is time to set waivers for week number 11 in fantasy football and it's good we're here to talk on Tuesday afternoon because there has been some news throughout the day for today that will update or update the way we fill out our waivers for week number 11 some news around Damien Harris and news around Elijah Mitchell that may influence our waiver prioritizations for this week. So let's dive on in, take your questions and get you set for this run of waivers. It is the waiver wire Q and A. That's right here on the Fandil, YouTube, Twitch, Facebook and Twitter channels. My name is Jim Sannis. I am a senior writer and analyst for numberfire.com joined here as always by JJ Zacharyson. He is the editor in chief of Number Fire and Fandil JJ heading into week number 11. It looked like a pretty thin waiver wire for this week but things definitely in motion as of right now. How are you doing today? I'm good. Yeah. I mean, it seems like there's a couple, one running back I talked about in the 15 transactions column and podcast with Cordero Patterson situation that's going on there. Yeah. It looks like Elijah Mitchell is the big news that just recently pops. Yeah. So if you hadn't heard yet, Elijah Mitchell broke his finger in Monday night football. He is now questionable for this week. We'll talk more about that in just one second. First, a quick reminder to make sure you are subscribed on the Fandil, YouTube, Twitch, Facebook or Twitter page. No matter where you want to watch, we are live here each and every weekday, Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern. We're talking football Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Tom Vacchio as he set for NBA DFS every Wednesday. So again, 4 p.m. to 4 30 every weekday right here on the Fandil, YouTube, Twitch, Facebook and Twitter pages. Make sure you're subscribed but also if you're watching YouTube, hit that like button because that does help us out quite a bit. Okay. Eli Mitchell broke his finger. Sounds like he sells a shot to practice tomorrow and potentially play this week. So JJ, based on the info right now that we've got, how are you doing Jeff Wilson, Jr. on waivers for week 11? Yeah, I mean, look, it would be a one week play for Wilson and then he kind of goes back into that like one B kind of role where the other thing too in that game against the Rams we have to keep in mind is that San Francisco was not in a negative game script at all and Jeff Wilson was playing some third downs in that game when like Debo Samuel wasn't lined up in the backfield. And so I do have this fear slash, I think that moving forward, Michael Hacy didn't play in that game on Monday last night and he's been playing that third down pass catching role in that in that backfield. You know, the week prior and week nine there were some optimism because Elijah Mitchell was seeing a little bit more work in a super negative game script as a receiver but your Michael Hacy did get banged up in that game and that's why he ended up missing week 10. So basically what I'm saying here is, you know, I don't know if Elijah Mitchell is going to be the third down guy, the pass catching guy in this offense from here on out that was always the fear really with Elijah Mitchell and why I couldn't really like place him in this like high end RB two, low end RB one tier that a lot of people were like optimistic about. And then we see Jeff Wilson get utilized the way he was utilized. He had 27% of the team's running back rushes that does not count Debo Samuel but he saw 27% of those running back rushes. And I think that's the kind of role that we should expect like a 70 to 30 kind of split between Mitchell and Jeff Wilson but Wilson was probably gonna be the pass catching back in that offense regardless. So, I think that because of that Wilson can probably be rostered regardless of, Elijah Mitchell playing this weekend or not but you definitely have to add Wilson as a speculative ad just to see what happens with this Elijah Mitchell injury. It sounds like at worst it's gonna be one week for Mitchell which is not surprising because it's a finger. Kyle Shanahan even said that he might even be able to practice tomorrow. So he's getting surgery. It doesn't sound like it's major surgery or anything. So yeah, I mean, I would still add Jeff Wilson. Where would I place him, you know, my priority? I would, I would still get, you know if Ramandre Stevenson's out there I'd still go after Stevenson over Jeff Wilson just because there's the slight chance that they do end up featuring Ramandre Stevenson even when Damian Harris is back. I don't think that's gonna happen. The way that I see Ramandre is more so he's gonna be like the Rex Burkhead in that backfield if you guys recall how they utilize Burkhead where he was sort of seeing some early down work and then he'd see more receiving work but he wasn't full blown James White and he wasn't full blown LeGarret Blonde. And then, you know, when it comes to Wayne Gaulman, you know, I think that he's probably, you know, Wayne Gaulman versus Jeff Wilson I'd probably prefer Wilson maybe slightly only because I think that there's a longer term role there for him. And I think that that Atlanta's still gonna split their backfield up and whereas Wilson could see a heavier workload, but you know, I can make the, I can at least make the argument for Gaulman. And I think that Wilson is the easier path to high leverage work. And that by that, I mean goal line work and targets because Wilson at the end of last year averaged like four targets per game, the final five games. Jamaica, HAC was out this past week. So we need to keep that in mind. We don't really know what Wilson's role will look like in the passing game when HAC is healthy, but they did run four snaps inside the 13 yard line last night. And Wilson was in for one of those snaps. Mitchell was in for two. Kai Youschek was in for one. Of course, Debo had that rushing attempt as well. So it's a, it's a mobile situation, a liquid situation. So we'll see how that one's a playing out. But I think that Wilson has a path to getting some high leverage work, which means even if we assume Mitchell plays this week, Wilson could still be an ad for there. I start the questions off over on YouTube by talking to Matt. He says, should I keep living the stream with Ryan Tannehill to a tongue of Iloa and Cam Newton on waivers? Or try to get someone like Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray for the rest of the year. What do you think of your JJ? Are you trying to buy low on one of those quarterbacks or do you think the streamers this week are good enough? You know, it always depends on, on what kind of price you would get for those guys. I had the Seahawks passing attack as a buy in my 15 transactions column, because if you look at their next month, basically, three of the four games that they have are really, really favorable for the passing attack, specifically Russell Wilson, cause some of those teams do defend wider severs fairly well, but you know that, you know, Russell Wilson is going to funnel targets to those wide outs. So, you know, it's not that big of a deal from a matchup standpoint. And then this week is really the one matchup of those four that's kind of iffy, but the Arizona game could shoot out. It could be high scoring. So I'm not really that concerned about it. So, you know, I think Russ is actually pretty good buy low. If the person who has Russ is concerned about the finger or things of the finger is the reason that he did what he did on Sunday. And maybe it had something to do with it, but from all reports and accounts and what Russell Wilson was saying is that it had nothing to do with it. That Wilson was just a little bit rusty after not playing.  He was sleeping three hours a night. So, you know, I'm not that surprised that, you know, he came out. I get very improved in playing a lot better Green Bay defense. Let's, you know, at least recognize that. So yeah, I mean, I would say that Russ is a decent buy low, but I'd also say that if a guy like Tua and Tana Hill are on your waivers, you can probably find decent options each and every week. I mean, Tana Hill this week is fine. Tua this week, I think is a really good option. Even Cam is a decent option this week. So, you know, I think it just depends if you can really, really buy low. And if you can't really buy low, I'd be fine streaming and illegally like this. Yeah, and I think that it's worth noting this helps answer Shay can make question two about buy low targets here. You're talking about the Seattle Seahawks passing game. Russ couldn't take snaps under center this week and that hurts their play action game. And that's kind of where Russ cooks the most is, you know, play action deep shots. They couldn't do that really on Sunday. So once he gets healthier, once they have that back in their arsenal, that's going to help things quite a bit for that passing offense. Also talking about Seattle here, ZJ is wanting us to grade the trade. He gave up or they gave up title lock in Odupecum and got DK Metcalf.  What do you think about this one, JJ? I think it's fine. You know, I think DK is a better asset to have than Tyler Lockett. They might see similar volume, but DK will probably see higher leverage targets in that offense. And then OBJ I think is probably going to be like a wide receiver three-ish once he's more acclimated to the offense. It's hard to assume that he's going to be a wide receiver two not only because of the way that the offense is performing, but, you know, Robert Woods wasn't even necessarily a wide receiver two in that offense, you know, throughout the season. He was very inconsistent. So I don't think that we should assume that OBJ is going to be that because they're still utilizing other players in that offense, specifically Van Jefferson. Yeah. And we talked about like how tough it is for receivers transition like over the off season to a new team in season, pretty tough as well for sure. Especially like complex offense like Sean McPhays. I'd expect a pretty slow ramp up for there too. Okay. I'll talk to Dan. Get a little antsy with T.J. Hawkinson. The Troy Lyons offense ain't great. Is it okay to pivot to Dan Arnold if you got T.J. Hawkinson currently starting for you as a baseline? Yeah. I mean, it's fine if you want to. I just, I think people are sort of like overstating. I'm going to pull it up right now because I want to make sure that I'm getting the right information whenever I say this, but I feel like people are sort of like overstating how bad T.J. Hawkinson has been this year. You know, if you look at his PPR performances before this past week, he ranked first 11th and seventh and weekly scoring at the tight end position. He was averaging like a 20, almost I guess over a 30% target share over those three games. And then this past week, he just had a bad game. And sometimes that happens, right? Now, when I add Dan Arnold, sure. Cause I think Dan Arnold's a tight end one from here on out, the way that he's being utilized is the most targets in that Jaguars offense ever since DJ Chark went down. You know, he's averaging like a, over a 20% target share during that time. He has four of his five last games have been double digit PPR performances.  Yes, T.J. Hawkinson has been way more inconsistent than we would like, of course, but inherently the tight end position is inconsistent and we're going to get that. And so, yeah, it was really bad outing for T.J. Hawkinson. But if anything, I might honestly try to trade for T.J. Hawkinson right now, because it seems like everyone who has them, which I have them across a couple of leagues as well, seems like everyone who has them just like wants to get rid of them or wants an alternative option. I do think Dan Arnold is going to give you a higher floor week in and week out than T.J. Hawkinson will probably, just given the usage that he's had, given the consistency that he's shown, but I don't think that Dan Arnold has the same type of ceiling week in and week out that T.J. Hawkinson. Yeah, and I mean, like it's, it was on the road against one of the best defense in football in weird conditions with the quarterback doing the oblique injury. That's not, that's not the situation they'll have every week. Like it's going to get better. Yeah, the passing attack did absolutely nothing. Just in general, for a lot of reasons, right? I mean, the ground game was working, but you can't assume that kind of game script for Detroit from here on out either. That's the other thing to keep in mind. Exactly. Let's go to Samantha here and talk about Van Jefferson. When you dropped Van Jefferson for Jeff Wilson, Wayne Gaulman, now I was worried about Van Jefferson, who I love, when the Odell News dropped, I was very sad that I was doubly sad because Robert Woods got hurt, but it does mean that Van Jefferson likely, I would assume, has a big role going forward. Like I think projecting Van Jefferson to keep his previous role, which was decently good, is realistic. Am I wrong to think that, but I want to still hold Van? What's your thoughts on him relative to Jeff Wilson and Wayne Gaulman? Yeah, I mean, both of us have talked of Van because of his peripherals for the last month or so. And if you're replacing Robert Woods with Odell Beckham in that offense, I don't see how Van Jefferson gets worse, right? He had a really bad game from a film perspective against San Francisco on Monday night, but his peripherals were still fine. I mean, he actually ran more routes than any other player on that team on Monday night. And then on top of that, he had like a 17-ish percent target share, which is right in line with what we've seen from Van Jefferson since they got rid of Deshaun Jackson. So I'm still in on Van. I think that I'm higher than the market on Van. I wouldn't be shocked if he's a wide receiver three from a points-for-game basis from here on out just because where he's getting his targets, the amount of volume he's getting, the kind of offense he's in, it's all the kinds of things that you want in a fantasy asset. So I would hold on to Van in this case. Obviously it depends on what your needs are, but I wouldn't be concerned with the other players in that offense just because if anything, his situation has improved since before the OBJ news. Yeah, Bennett Scronach was like a graduate transfer to Notre Dame who played tight end for Notre Dame and is starting out in necessity. Like I wouldn't worry about him eating into Van Jefferson's role, but also go cats. Tanantha is asking, who do you like the rest for this week between the Browns defense facing Detroit, got the Dolphins going up against the Jets and the 49ers facing the Jaguars. What you got between those three, all pretty good options. Yeah, all really good options. I'm going to go with the Dolphins though against the Jets. They're playing really, really well in nine sacks over their last two games, four interceptions. They played well against Lamar Jackson in the Baltimore Offenses past week. The Jets have been one of the best defenses and adjusted fantasy points allowed for defenses. So I'm going to go with Miami there, but yeah, all three of the options are pretty good. Yeah, and the Dolphins play a stylus conducive to fantasy because they get sacks, they get picks. They're very aggressive at a point as a result, but like that's what you want for fantasy. So Darnell asking Cordero Patterson versus Amari Cooper the rest of the way. Cordero banged up. Sounds like he's probably not going to play this week. Who do you have between these two? Yeah, I mean, in some doctors, Dr. Edwin Polaross for fantasy points, he doesn't seem like he's that optimistic about Cordero Patterson in the short term as in like he could miss a couple of weeks with this injury. It's not just like a one week thing. So I think because of that, I'd probably lean Amari rest of season, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit concerned about Amari Cooper rest of season. I'm concerned to some degree about each of the pass catchers on that team with Michael Gallup active. Dalton Schultz was one of the biggest losers this past week with like a 6% target share with Michael Gallup back, but Amari Cooper also had his lowest target share of the season this past week. So I think it's at least something to keep in mind. But yeah, I mean, I think because of the injury, if you want to use that as a tie breaker, I'd probably go with Amari. Yeah, Amari's ceiling will always be good because everyone's saying that offense is good because it's tied to DAC, but the floor is, you know, concerning for sure. But with Cordero being banged up, that is I think a pretty easy one for me to go with Amari. Tanantha, is Latavius a pickup with Levyon Bell being cut? I think to me, this indicates that Latavius likely to be back this week for Baltimore off of the mini buy after the play Thursday, but Devonte Freeman also played pretty well. So where are you at with Latavius Murray right now? Yeah, I mean, I think that Latavius is probably not going to see the same workload that he, like I think there's a chance that Devonte Freeman is now the 1A versus, you know, I mean, there's like a 1A, 1B, 1C in that offense. So it's not saying much, but I do think that Devonte Freeman's played well enough to the point where he could be the 1A, which is what Latavius Murray had been, where Murray was seeing like 45% of the running back rushes and like, you know, like an 8% target share times and whatnot, which is what Devonte Freeman's been seeing.  Just depends on who you'd be dropping him for. I would rather go for upside with like a Wayne Gaulman or something as opposed to going with Latavius. I think that makes sense as well. Let's talk to Trevor here. Should I trade Nick Chubb for DK Metcalfe? So we're talking about the Seahawks pass catchers again. Nick Chubb for Metcalfe, who you got? I feel like the way this question's asked, it's like there were like some blanks that he had to fill in and he just filled in Chubb and then Metcalfe. I'd probably keep Nick Chubb over Metcalfe just because of scarcity, you know, it depends on what you need and the format and all that kind of stuff for a trade like this. But, you know, if it's like a half PPR 12 team league, I'm gonna lean Nick Chubb. I just think that he, you know, he plays a position that matters more in fantasy football. You know, I love Metcalfe. I think Metcalfe's a really good buy as I talked about on the column and in my podcast, but you know, Nick Chubb's probably a top tennis running back right now, rest of season. I think the thing that helps Chubb too is that every game is gonna matter a lot for Cleveland. We saw it last year down the stretch when they needed wins. They leaned on Nick Chubb a bit more than they did earlier on, so that could help him as well. Let's talk to Mark here. Thoughts on Justin Fields as a streamer this week or rest of season. Facing Baltimore this week, pretty tough situation, but Fields did show a lot of life in a tough situation before his buy too. So thoughts on Justin Fields as a streamer. Yeah, I mean, the thing is with this week, I think there's a lot of pretty good streamers.  You have even Mack Jones in a decent spot. And then I think Cam Newton and Tua are the two, like go-to streamers this week specifically. Like I think Tua is a great, great play this week. I mean, if you look at what Tua's faced this season, he's had two plus matchups only. He's faced Buffalo twice. He's faced New England. He's faced Baltimore. I mean, he's not had the easiest looking schedule in the world. And then his two plus matchups Atlanta and Jacksonville, he went nuts. He's averaged 24 points per game in those two games. So this week a really good matchup for him. I think he's a really strong streamer this week. I would play him over a guy like Justin Fields. But if you want to add Fields for rest of season upside, I think that he has more upside than a lot of the guys just because of what he can do with his legs. Pretty controversial to say the Jets are a plus matchup given they've led up like 40 points in like six of the past eight games, controversial JJ. Let's talk to Dan. Jalen Hertz has had a bounce back recently, but isn't sure what to view of him with the Eagles deciding to fully go with establishing the run. Now he's got Tua as potentially being available for this week. He has Derek Carr is facing Cincinnati. So how are you viewing Jalen Hertz compared to guys who are in decent spots and decent quarterbacks and Derek Carr and Tua and Tonga by Loa? I think the, sorry, I was looking to the side because I'm looking at my other monitor for some data. So I think that the Hertz stuff is very, very overblown. And I say that because he was never gonna maintain the rushing touchdown output that he had to start the season. And that was one of the main reasons why instead of him being like a mid-range QB1, he was like close to the QB1, right? And that's gone away partially because, you know, they're running the ball more and naturally, if you put the ball in the running backs, hands a little bit more, they're gonna have a higher chance to score those rushing touchdowns. But Jalen Hertz over the last four weeks is still averaging 62 rushing yards per game. And the other thing too is before this past week, they had a really skewed pass to rush touchdown ratio, which is something to always keep in mind and focus on when looking at regression. Because when teams score touchdowns, they're gonna score touchdowns either through the air or on the ground. And if they're scoring touchdowns on the ground, a whole lot versus through the air, you should expect that number to regress back to a mean eventually. And we even saw that last week, he had two passing touchdowns even the week before he had one. So a lot of people were just like worried about what was going on, you know, understandably so, given these like the game scripts they'd seen, et cetera, et cetera.  And against Detroit, they ended up, let's see, they threw the ball 14 times. And then against the Chargers, they threw the ball 17 times. But the Chargers have had one of the worst, if not the worst rush defense in the league this year. So matchups dictated that a little bit. And then this past week in a more neutral game script, 23 pass attempts, a couple of passing touchdowns, still had 53 yards in the ground. I still think Jalen Hertz is totally fine. And not only that, but in the fantasy playoffs, they get Washington twice. And right now Washington, I know they played well against Tom Brady, but Washington right now still ranks first in the adjusted points allowed to quarterback. So I'm sticking with Jalen Hertz. I feel like he's fine. And I feel like people are overstating the situation a little bit just because they expected him to be like the QB one, but I think that if you look at him more as like the QB five, the QB eight, then that's basically where I think you should be. Yeah, and he's playing well enough where the previous concerns about like Garner Minchu seem to have gone away. And I think that's beneficial for Hertz too. Okay, we talked about the two-and-a-half of Joseph's question, but let's go to the other half here. They've got the Dolphins, defense facing off again with the Jets. We talked about liking them. Do you like them more than the Browns facing Detroit? And do you like them more than Tennessee, who is facing off with, I can't actually find it out much. I don't remember. Houston, Houston. Yeah, that's right, Houston. I'd still probably go Miami because I trust Miami's defense right now more than I do Tennessee's.  And we already said that we would go Dolphins over Browns. So I'm going Dolphins there. I think the Dolphins are the number one defense this week period. Like, I don't think that there's a better defense to play. And then with Tua, yes, Tua is my top streamer this week, I think. He's at least the safest. You know, I think that you could go to Cam, hypothetically, but I just, I think Tua has just as much upside just because of the matchup and the fact that he's played, you know, a lot better than people are giving him credit for. Yeah, another defensive question here from Grimm fan over on YouTube. When you pick up the Patriots defense and start them until their bi-week, now they get Tennessee and Buffalo the next two weeks. Those are pretty tough spots to use a defense in, but this week they get Atlanta. So how do you view them in week 11 specifically compared to let's go with the Dolphins? Cause it seems like they're pretty widely available right now. You can play them against Atlanta for sure. I would still play Miami. I really think Miami is like the top overall defense this week, but you know, New England's defense is playing well. I would feel fine trotting them out against Atlanta, but I would not feel as good against Tennessee and Buffalo. Let's go here to Jeffrey. Do you think Emmanuel Sanders is better to have than Jacoby Myers? Now to come Myers finally scored this week. So that's the monkey is off the back there. Where have you and Manny compared to Jacoby the rest of the way? Yeah, you know, Manny's a lower was that he was seeing a lot of those deep targets. And it seems like some of that's going a little bit more to Stefan Diggs and it was earlier in the season. And Manny's now seen, I think a sub 10% target share in like two of his last three or something like that. So, you know, things are definitely trending down for Manny, but what Jacoby Myers to me, especially if you're in like a half PPR or a standard league, he's just not going to give you the upside that Emmanuel Sanders could potentially give you and in a given week, right? I know that he found the ends in this past week. I'm very excited about that because I've been talking about it on my podcast for like weeks, but at the same time, you know, Myers, sure he's probably a safer bet to give you fantasy points each week, but I think Sanders still has upside. And when you're talking about this tier of player where, you know, maybe it's like a flex play or like a first guy off the bench kind of thing, I'm looking more at upside. And Emmanuel Sanders also has upside. If knock on wood, something happens to like Stefan Diggs or something, then all of a sudden Emmanuel Sanders has 10 plus target upside each and every week with Josh Allen throwing him the rock. So I still like Emmanuel Sanders more than Jacoby Myers from here on out, but Jacoby Myers probably does have a safer floor, at least in like a PPR form. And I think that the difference in them in a median projection perspective is minimal. Like maybe Myers does have a better projection there, but like you said, the upside matters a lot because if you can take a fringe piece and have them with the ability to turn into a core piece, that's kind of what you want. Jacoby Myers doesn't really have that upside whereas Emmanuel Sanders does due to the reasons that you mentioned.  Obviously this past week was not great, had the fumble at the end, but also didn't have big then for that game. Sounding more optimistic now that Ben will play in week 11. I know initially Jake laser said he didn't think he would but then- I think they might've said, Tomlin might've said like literally right when we were starting that Mason Rudolph's gonna play again. Oh boy. Yeah. So I could be wrong, but I think I saw it flash on my phone before we got on. I just didn't look in more detail. So if it's Mason Rudolph, I mean, it definitely changes Friar Muth from being like a, honestly, like a tight end one to a tight end two. But Friar Muth still saw like 18% of the targets this past week. And that was with Eric Ebron back. So yeah, I mean, I still think Friar Muth is a good get off waivers right now. Yeah. I could also be wrong. So definitely fact check me people, but I just want to at least throw that out there. I tried to check Twitter, couldn't find it right away, but we'll check back on that later. Okay, Nathan is a trade question with some things in flux with Elijah Mitchell, which may be complicating here. I'm guessing Nathan, Nathan asks this after we're talking about Mitchell's.  Would you trade Zeke Elliott and I'm assuming this is Deontae Johnson for Tyree Kill and Elijah Mitchell with Mitchell being banged up. How would you do the situation right now? I would take the Zeke side personally. You know, I don't like same position for same position deals like this, but I understand in a situation like this, you're, you know, there's a clear tier difference in the wide receiver and the running back that you're getting. But to me, like from a value perspective, Zeke and Tyreek probably have similar value in fantasy right now, just generally speaking, whenever you factor in positional scarcity and such. And then, you know, if you're looking at this from like an Elijah Mitchell versus Deontae Johnson standpoint, I'd take Deontae Johnson over Elijah Mitchell. So I'm gonna lean Zeke and Deontae there. Yeah, 13 targets is just like the assumed number for Deontae Johnson. And no matter the quarterback quality, 13 targets is a lot. That's worth quite a bit for sure. Sok to Eddie, should I continue with Adrian Peterson or dump him? So basically asking, can we cut Adrian Peterson with Deontae Foreman becoming more involved in this offense? Yeah, I mean, I think that he's at least like on that fringe cut list. I always hate to say, yes, drop this guy no matter what because it depends so much on your environment.  But he's very clearly the RB five on this team with Chubb, Barkley, Henderson and Javante Williams.  But, you know, I see this backfield as just a mess from here on out in terms of fantasy.  But now that Deontae Foreman is getting more work it's just really hard to trust Peterson right now. Yeah, I think that it's just a mess. It's kind of like the Ravens at this point and that's not what we want for fantasy. Let's talk to Michelle. We were talking about the Eagles offense before and how they've been this super, super run heavy team. Devontae Smith had a couple touchdowns this past week but he's getting these insane target shares but it's on, you know, you're talking 17 pass attempts. He's had six targets per game in this four game sample. So would you look to move Deontae Smith or keep that production in hope that the passing volume increases as the year goes along? Yeah, the way that I see this is I just, I don't know if the market is that robust for Deontae Smith right now even though he's been doing really well. So, you know, from that standpoint, you know, you have to always look at the market and you have to always look at the player himself. So from the market standpoint, you know, Deontae Smith I don't think would really have this like amazing market. I think that it would just be reasonable for him. And then the player himself, you know, you mentioned he's seeing really good target share numbers which is good because if game script goes a different way or if they start to throw the ball a little bit more than all of a sudden Devontae Smith sees 10 or 11 targets in a game, you know, Dallas Goddard's banged up as well. So, you know, that's good for him. And then also the schedule is actually pretty good as well for this Eagles offense moving forward. That was a big reason why a couple of weeks ago I had Devontae as a buy is because he had that environment and like, you know, they were coming off those real that game against Detroit where they barely threw and all that where people would be down on him in the passing offense. But, you know, the schedule is decent. He's seeing enough work in the offense and I just don't think the market's really there. So I would hold Devontae Smith right now. Yeah, he's being productive on limited volume. So if he gets more volume, he should be very good. I think that's tough for me to move if the market is not super enthused about him. Okay, let's rank some tight ends for Joseph here. Dawson Knox, Dan Arnold, Pat Friarmouth and Logan Thomas. Logan Thomas, we still don't know his status. I think he missed practice again Friday. He's been designated to return but not activated yet. So how are you viewing these four tight ends? I'm gonna go Dan Arnold. Let's go Mooth second, Logan Thomas third and Knox fourth. But I think Dan Arnold honestly is like in his own tier of this group. It's crazy, but like the volume he's seeing is so strong. Maybe you can make the argument for Pat Friarmouth just because Ben would eventually return. And then the Logan Thomas thing is mostly speculation. So if you wanna put Knox over Logan Thomas I can totally understand it. But to me, I think Donald and Friarmouth are the top two at least. And Logan Thomas is on a lot of waivers right now. I would say if you're desperate for a tight end I might just add now and see if he gets activated later on this week. See what happens. It might not happen. You can always make a change later on but he's on decent number of waivers right now. Okay, gotta let DJ roast me. I told him to pick Pittsburgh in his survivor contest. I'm probably responsible for Ben Rothesberger testing positive if we're being honest here because I told him to take Pittsburgh in a survivor contest. They tied. So DJ, I've cursed you. My bad. So JJ, are we going Cleveland against Detroit in survivor this week? Does in a survivor, does a tie mean that you take the L? I'm pretty sure you do not advance as far as I'm aware. Yeah. I think Cleveland's fine. Yeah. I mean, you can go with Miami too. Oh no, you shouldn't go with Miami actually. I told Jim earlier, I'm just thinking defensive streamers. I told Jim earlier this week I couldn't comprehend the three point spread for that game. It feels like it just should have been like close and this is just all field based but it felt like it should have been closer to like five or maybe even six just because of the way that Miami's been playing. But yeah, I think Cleveland's a pretty good survivor pick I think against Detroit. Okay, so DJ didn't pick them. So we're good. I feel less bad than DJ. Glad I didn't curse Ben Rothesberger. So at least there's that. Final one here. Lance playing this season, not sure if he's dropping Superflex where there's only two quarterbacks in the wire. Now, Jimmy Garoppolo is playing decent, not playing a lot because they don't throw a lot but like would you drop Trey Lance and Superflex right now given that they're kind of not in a position to move on from Garoppolo just yet? There was a really interesting tweet from Ben Baldwin that said something along the lines of like how it's interesting how San Francisco is running their offense where they're trying to not expose their quarterback but then the entire offense is predicated on the quarterback converting third downs which is basically what it is, right? So the instant that that doesn't go in their favor could be bad news for Jimmy G. In a Superflex format, look if you're in a single quarterback redraft you don't have to hold on to Trey Lance but in a Superflex format I would absolutely be holding on to Trey Lance still and I'm doing it in leagues and it's annoying that it hasn't happened yet. I touted him at the beginning of the season I was really, really wrong about that because Jimmy Garoppolo is obviously still the starter but I do think the upside is certainly there especially for the fantasy playoffs in a Superflex format. If you can gain a quarterback 10 this late in the year which is where Lance would be if he were to be starter I think it's tough to turn that down unless you really are desperate for that bench position. 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Welcome to ToffeeTV. You've all been looking forward to this, it's the season review or the start of a series of videos regarding the season that we've just had. One of the longest seasons ever, ever. It's mad. Well it actually is one of the longest seasons ever. It feels like competitively. It feels like such a long time ago since we played that friendly in Africa. And we were all very excited. We were all very excited. We smashed one in 25 yards and we were like, it's a battle. We were like, battle's going to be important this season. Amazing. And he was quickly gone. And he was left-footed and he was up the door. I wonder if he got the blade left back for a bit. Maybe, maybe for that. I think it was better than someone else. Where did it all go wrong, Baz? Where did it all go wrong this season, do you think? I think the planning of it at the start, I don't think. I think we were all, it started off okay. We needed a goalkeeper. We went and got one of the brightest young goalies around. And that was great. And we got our ex as captain and we were excited with him. And I suppose just having money, we'd just finished the season seventh. Obviously there was the Romelu Lukaku stuff, you know, we knew he was likely to move on. So we were looking, what strike is coming in. And we had the Denbelly bollocks of being built at French farm. And it was Nathan McEllow and stuff like that. You know, but we were all thinking there'd be a centre for him any day now. And that's the pieces Cumin knows what he wants. We've got this director of football. He was getting off to Italy, appeared him with Mafia and going into these clubs, apparently finding out what was, who was available and being offered eight or nine different players. And we just seemed to collect players without really, really thinking about it, didn't we? Well, ultimately, yes. At the time, when you're in the eye of the storm, you don't really know because you don't know how these things are going to get put together.  I mean, we had the hard set of fixes as well. Well, we did, but, you know, but we did. And that's, that's okay. And you understand that, but it just didn't, I don't know. We obviously, you know, we went into the season, we made a couple of signings. We bought Pickford in, we bought Classing in and we bought Rooney in. We went into, we went into the friendly, friendly game. What did we do? Yeah, I'd like what? We have only three. So we played the three friendlies, then we played Africa, then we played in Holland, then we played in Belgium. And then we went into the first game against Rosenberg. And obviously the game against Rosenberg was difficult. You know, we got the summer shot. They'd already started their season. They were three, three or four weeks into their season and they were looked all off it. We looked miles off it, but we managed to get a 1-0 win, which was just enough. And we went over there and got a 1-0 win. You know, there was moments, you know, moments that we looked a little bit dodgy, but we got through it and you were thinking, okay, we got through it. And again, you know, Dyches of Keen coming. Obviously Sigarton was a long drone. I think that didn't come, he didn't come into the, to the, after the season started. Obviously we brought Cucko Matini in and Flassage. Flassage late on. And you know, as you said, the beginning of the season wasn't easy because we were juggling, juggling those European games with the start of the season. You know, that week we played Man City on the Monday, Split away on the Thursday, and then Chelsea on the Sunday. You know, we put ourselves in difficult positions. We should never have played City on a Monday night. You know, we should have played that on the Sunday. Obviously we had Split on the Thursday, that's what we had to be. Should have played that on the Sunday just to give us an extra day. And then we went into the Internet. It was the International weekend then. And we were sort of okay with the start. It wasn't great. But obviously there was the, but obviously the caveat was that was that's when the window shut. And we haven't brought in a striker, obviously. You know, you've just lost one of your best players. You just, well, one of your most important players you've just lost. And we never replaced them. But on top of that, Ross Barclay, which it doesn't get, doesn't get spoke about enough really. Ross Barclay nearly went on transfer deadline date. He'd already been injured. He already had that injury, which we knew he was going to be out till Christmas anyway. So regardless of where he was staying or going. We didn't have him. We didn't have Ross and Ron, who the season before were two of our most important players. Okay, in Sigitson, we sort of replaced Ross, although they're not really the same kind of players. They don't really do the same things. But we're not, not getting a replacement for Ronald Lukaku is, you know, Steve Walsh and, and Ronald Koeman. That is their biggest client for me at Everton Football Club, because you can talk about styles. You can talk about, you know, all the other things that go around. But if you lose your, a strike and get your 25 goals in the season and do not replace them with anybody, with anybody. Like, you know, even if you say, right, we're buying two strikers and I think one will get us 15 and one will get us 10. Let's just say, for argument's sake, but to not replace them whatsoever. Yes, we bought Sando in, but an untried kid from Spain who maybe, you know, we're a little bit more tougher and up and under the right circumstances could get you that 10 to 15 goals.  Yeah, I mean, he put all his eggs in the Jiru basket, didn't he? And Jiru would have been that man either go 18 to 20 goals because he gets it every year, don't even score the bar eight at Chelsea already. But like I said at the time, we should have got one in the Jiru. Should have been the second one if it was dragging on. Everyone should have had an ultimatum, everything. And this is the thing, you know, you'd even hear Sam Aladay saying this, talking about players in his, you know, in his defence, like he said, you give players a time frame, otherwise you're sitting around waiting and it falls apart. You've got to go, we need to move on from this now. Jiru should have been given that time frame and then it should have been like we move on from it, you know, Koeman still believed we'd get him in the last week. Well, all right, go and get someone else then, go and get Dembele, that's Celtic. You know, I'm not saying he would have been amazing, but he's big, he's quick, you need something which mirrored wrong. All right, you might not have been able to recreate those goals that the car could have got, but he was a focal point, he was an output. We went into the season, we obviously had Wayne, but Wayne comes too deep to play up there. You know, Dominic Alvaloun's a kid, should never have had that, I know, I know you've raised Robert's performance at City, but it's still a lot to expect in the young lad. He's going to have... Sandro, unproven, like you said, so you've taken someone who can do the job and do it very well and replace them with a novice who's laning his trade almost, and it's like, why have we not come... You know, resulting in deadline day, scraping around trying to get what are the classes Jenny meant on loan, you know, just will you come and do the job eight o'clock on deadline day? Do you know what I mean, instead of doing that on the Sunday, a few days before and going, we're not getting to do that. They'll take you on loan, and if you do come, it's available. We'll have him as well, because we'll have two. Not even that, though, I mean, you know, having these players ready to, you know, early on in the summer, when you know you're selling the car, you know you're getting 100 million or whatever, or 90 million plus winery for them, having a set of players, having a set of centre for them, you've got an eye on it saying, I want this one, if we don't get that one. You know, we spoke many times, Jekyll, for me, would have been a perfect, a perfect player to go and get, okay, you know, he's 30 or so. You know, if you're looking at someone like Jeroe, Jekyll would be a similar kind of player. Test down the Roma, you know, go and say like, we'll give you 40 million. If you're prepared to pay 45 million for Sigarton, then you need a centre forward that he can work with, you know, and for me, someone like Jeroe obviously was the man, but Jekyll, for me, that would be no brainer. Someone who's played in the Premier League, someone who'd probably be eager to come back to the Premier League for the money and the money you're willing to pay him. But we just didn't seem to go down those avenues and I just think that's got to be the biggest crime. You know, because you've got a centre forward, you've got a centre forward, you've got the ball in the back of the net like we've seen in the last few years, it hides a lot of sins. And Cooman sort of, this is where Cooman I think went wrong in the whole thing is that. And I think he admitted to this point as well is that he had a way he wanted to play and he basically threw out the window because he was like, well, look, I couldn't just keep on scoring goals. I don't need to worry about that other thing. I'd like to do this, but he just keeps on scoring goals. And that's why we couldn't win away games is because when the car couldn't be asked, or we just, he was isolated. We had no way to do it. So instead of building this thing over the years, the first year or so of where you're playing, we never, we just, it was just get the ball to the car key and you'll score the goal. So you took the car key out of the team and suddenly you're asking to rebuild something from scratch. And it was, it could, it just, it proved too big a task for him. And as you said, not having a left back, which was another massive crime. And for me, not buying two centre backs, only buying one was again, if you're gonna, if, for me, it was like a big jigsaw that he was trying to put together, but he just didn't put like the most important pieces in it. And without that, it's, it's nothing. It's flimsy, it'll just fall to bit. You know, there was nothing, there was nothing there to hold it together. And I just, for me, it was just, you know, it quickly showed that without the striker putting the ball in the back of the net, in those games, in that early part of the season, which you said, was very difficult. There was games every three days. He just, he just couldn't find a way of putting it all together at a basic level either. He was chopping and changing. He was, he was always, instead of just, instead of almost saying, right, this is my first 11, I'm gonna stick to this for like six games, get players bedded in, like Keen, like Sigarton, like Classen, or, or not, or, you know, I'll bring, I'll bring Classen in. Instead it was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It was all chopping and changing all the time. And as we've said on other shows, because he had so many players to play with, it made it more difficult for him. Whereas, you know, we, you look back to like the, the Moise era, when he didn't have the players, players at a bedding, and they'd become better because they bedding, they might have three or four games, look a bit shaky for maybe a couple of them or whatever, and then suddenly it would click, and if it didn't click, then they found themselves quickly out, like a cold run, you know, because it didn't work and we can't afford to keep you by your own, or replace you. I think it was just all over the place, but the main thing is first game of the season, against Stoke.  But that second half, it was weird because we played well that second half. We had two up front and we had Rooney just behind. And we played well. We did. And Sandra went off about, I think after an hour, 60, 65 minutes, he was knackered, he was, you know, he was out in his feet, but there was something there, and you never seen it again. No.  Calvert. Calvert-Lewin and Rooney just behind. And Rooney was magnificent that second half. Magnificent. And the goal itself was really good, that game as well. But you never seen that again. Never. Now, I know it's changed against Man City for obvious reasons. And we looked good that day as well. But then it just started to go, like, all over the place. Well, it was like the Chelsea game away. When Sandra was injured for a couple of games and then he started them up front, the Chelsea on his own. And you're like, these are physical. These are physical. Calvert-Lewin came on, yeah. And then Calvert-Lewin came on, and then we had chances straight away. And you're like, why didn't you just bring Sandra on with that? You've been injured. You start in a difficult away game on his own, up front, with no real, you know, it was just some... mistakes that could have been avoided. And you look at it and go, you know, it just didn't get any better. So ultra, we had the break, we come back, Spare's come to Goddison, and that was quite even for 20 minutes till Addy Kane flipped the first goal. And then once they went one up, they could have been anything. Yeah, you know. But there was no, for me, as I've said, there was no... there didn't seem to be a thought process behind anything. There didn't seem to be a plan. There didn't seem to be an idea. And then that's when fans started to get a little bit worried, looking at and going, what are we doing here? Because we just seemed to be all over the place. And there was no confidence in... I don't think Koeman exhibited any confidence in anything Addy. He was like, you know, we played Atalanta in our first Europa League game. We got battered, didn't we? We got battered by a very average team with a couple of good individuals. But it was like... there was no... there was no plan like Addy for that. It was like, it was almost like we've got... Like, last year when Ennio was in it, many nights of indy won it. But Ennio didn't really worry about losing a couple of games. So it was almost like for the first few games, it was like, we'll just play squad plays for the first, maybe, game or two. And then we'll win the games we need to win and then we'll get through. But it was all... it was all laid on the scene. It all felt like all the eggs were in one basket without going. Right, listen, it's only on the season. We're betting new players in. We're trying to implement a new system. Let everyone just sort of... stop worrying. We'll play a system and we'll play a team. And it'll gradually get better because it'll play together and it'll play in the system. And... I know it's tough now, but the fruit will come out eventually. And... that it all just felt like all the eggs were in one basket. Panic, panic, panic. And ultimately, I think that's what got him in the sack because by the time he played... what was his last game? What was the game before that near ugly, though? Leon. What was it, Leon? It was... it all just still felt... ahhh! Instead of just being like, no, if we win three games later on in a group, which we could have, then... you know, if we win the last three games, you know, one was... this one will throw everything at them as well in both games. And if we take points off Leon and Atalanta at home, we'll be alright. But it wasn't, it was all every game. It felt like everyone was getting thrown into every game. And things were being trapped and changed. But he dropped... the Atalanta game away. He dropped... he gave Stechlenberg a game. It's not needed to make that change. Play him in the league cup of your month. It's not needed at the moment. Let Pickford, who's just come into the club, get that little bit of understanding with your back foot. Don't change for change, see? And he did, you know, when there was... I just don't think he knew what to do. Like you said, he had too many players, probably. And he was like, I don't know what to do with it. I'm just going to play you a lot here. The Atalanta game was terrible. It really was, it was really boring. We were well beaten and it was like, right, we've got, you know, things get only in the solid home. Beat these and we'll be alright. And go out in that game and never got going again. And they were terrible. There was no pattern. You know, and they ended up scoring with ten men in the last minute. Dominic Alfield doing this is an absolute shitter. To win it for us, you know, and you come away going to another game that had a win.  And it was just all mad. That game he played to the front then it never happened again. And you're like, what are you doing?  Because we had no one.  Got two against Bournemouth. Two men in that wasn't. Didn't look happy. It was like, I'm gutted really that he scored. Rather than going, I've made him a better player. Or even he showed me. Well he could have said that we set the bar for him and he's reached it. That's why he's in. And made up for him. He's got us an important win. Oh, fleek and continue to score. And it was all gritted teeth. And then he started losing it. He'd looked. Professionally. He was clean shape and he was ready. At the end, his A wasn't perfect. He had the stubble. You know, when he just started looking he looks like he's lost a bit of control. It was in that period, wasn't it? Because as I said, it was a tough run. But in that period, I think... Nowhere else changed. When the first season what did we say?  Yeah, but it wasn't good enough. It wasn't perfect. But in the second season, the first time I kind of questioned him was after United beat us four in a day. And in the game, we had a couple of chances. We only had a couple of chances. One nil. One nil to last eight minutes. One nil but eight minutes to go. We were still well in the game. And after the game, someone said what do you need to do? You've changed the top four. Which is what he'd said. We had no chance of the top four this season. I don't even know why he's just saying it. They were like, well, you said it last year and he was like, we had no chance. We're trying to get in the top seven, top six. And you were like, you've said the plan many a time. You even said that in March we'll get better players and we're going to battle for the top four whether we get there or not. The narrative had almost changed from him as if it was like I don't know what we can do. Instead of going, I'm confident it's like the fourth game, fifth game we can still be in the race for the top four no worry about it. We last season we were terrible in the first part of the season and then when we got to April we were one point behind the team oh sorry, we were four points behind the team, we were fourth quite easily. So that's all he had to say and he didn't, he just dismissed it and then he started going, well you well that's it isn't it? That's it, you're right, the expectation suddenly dropped, you know what for me I mean, we all had high expectations because of the summer we'd bought in players but we'd bought in good players and a lot of them Premier League players as well, she expected them to bat, they didn't know all about you know, like the Pickford did Keane obviously started okay, we thought the defenders were going to be fine and then there was a lot of chopping and changing, we were still waiting for Sheamus Coleman to come back, there was a lot of chopping and changing at right back, we started with Holgate and we had Martina and John Jo Kenney left back when Baines went out in what was it, November, suddenly Kuka Martini comes in at left back and obviously that was a massive problem, it became a massive problem but almost like those games almost like, you would think well, there's your chance with, yes we know it's difficult but there's your chance with lower expectations to say I'm setting us out how to play and we've got a lot of games and we're just going to play through them and we're going to have play, we're going to have almost like not even going to have a first team for the Premier League and a first team for the Europa League but it was just there's no rhyme or reason, it just kept on changing all the time and as you said you know, we played two off-fronts and then we won behind and we played one off-front and you just kept on trying instead of trusting a system and I think this comes from not knowing because he had the season before he did Lekaku and Ross Barkley essentially running the show for us he shouldn't have just Garth Barney went out the door as well he would have lost that kind of play he could trust, he snarred and started the season really poorly and it was like, oh my god it was all these things happening at once and there was injuries as well and in his defence it was a really bad start he had new players to integrate but underneath it if you have a plan and you have a structure and you can use that framework for everything to fall into you've got something but because he didn't have that I just think, like you said it was just like he didn't know what he was doing and once he didn't know what he was doing and once he was in it it's very hard to... we got another game another game, another game the only way this is going to end and get better is when all these Europa League games stop then maybe we can take a breath and I'll take a little bit of time and get it sorted but eventually that's what basically happened that's what taking the season round really but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been sacked because he just didn't have a plan and as I said not getting that strike, it was the main thing there are other things but I think we could have just we could have just scraped by with other things a left-back thing not registered in garb but letting Connolly go out letting Robinson go out he kept saying left side is centre back you can play left back and centre forward, that's what we want he ended up trying to get them all and then on loan at the last day and it was just like this is all of a sudden become like a mess when the goalkeeper centre forward cover for your left back and centre back where the absolute must at the start of that summer they should have been in goalkeeper was in one centre back coming late but you centre forward and cover a left back didn't come in I also think he made a mess at the pre-season as well and the pre-season was an absolute disgrace pre-seasons are a massive bugbear for me anyone who watches this knows really pre-seasons are where you get your shit done it's where you get your bed your players in you can do that I'm also a big advocate that we have to use it properly commercially and I'm a big advocate that you can do you can do both because guess what all the top clubs in the world do it every year and if you do it correctly you can use both so obviously he took teams to the state and then he would play games and then did play games and you know all whatever games were second GR of it but he took them to a camp and waited for the best people and got them fit and played games in a small space of time he also played games in this country really part one team playing one game I remember we played Berry and Paul Vail on the same day at the same time squad split everyone played everyone worked hard everyone got fit everyone got used to the system so no one was left out no one was getting half an hour a year and half an hour there and yet we went and played a game in Africa we had two but why didn't we play two games in Africa why did we just go and play one game we were there for a week why didn't we play two even if one was on a smaller scale it shouldn't have been on a smaller scale it should have been one game on I can't even remember what day we played but it should have been one game on the Tuesday and one game on the Thursday and straight home and that's what it should have been so just go over there and play one game then we went to Holland and played a game on a Wednesday night on an Astro Tafe on Waversey Tech on the Messery it looked like it was an Astro the way it was done it was like a basic pitch wasn't it it was all great wasn't it wasn't anyone's grand or anything but we should have been there then we played on the Saturday in Holland we should have played a game on the Wednesday two different teams and worked the bollocks off them and everyone got at least like 17 minutes and on the Saturday we should have done exactly the same thing we should have played again like in his first year like in the first year we played in Germany and played on the Friday night and on the Saturday lunchtime and everyone worked hard and worked the bollocks off and now it was all like softly softly so when we came to the first game we played and we looked awful and then the week after we looked awful and then obviously we played the split but we went into the season undercooked and I know you can say those four games were like would be like friendly games but they weren't they weren't like friendly games you've got to be ready for the games that I put ahead of you and I just thought we got back completely wrong just even not even for fitness though integrating players it was difficult because of the games but that doesn't mean you can't man other teams have done it, other teams do it but you'd write those opportunities to play another couple of extra games by just working the players and we didn't say, I don't think it's any good for anyone playing an hour keep playing an hour because when it comes to 90 minutes regardless of it like you said most players should have played 70 minutes on the Wednesday then we should have had a game on the Thursday so everyone who'd come on for 20 minutes should have played 70 minutes on the Thursday 75 minutes and then you can bring a few shubs on or give some 90 minutes you know, 6-90 minutes one thing or Tuesday, Thursday and then on the Saturday whatever it may be the game should have been it's difficult I suppose it's difficult trying to I think game was in the stadium and all of that but 20 we could have probably played then twice, two days really, or Tuesday and Thursday but it doesn't matter if you play in the opposition, it doesn't matter it's a game and you've got the chance to work your squad and I think I didn't get the pre-season remember my Martinis one was poor, the second season it was undercooked and everything was sluggish and it was a slow start it was the first two weeks then Chelsea was so fit they blew us on the water things like that so the pre-season is, it's vital it was made difficult because of the Europa League but you have to be able to cope with that because what happens if we get in it again you've got to be able to cope with it however that may be there was too many got a game Thursday there's nothing happening until we play them away next week and you're like, what's wrong with playing a game Monday? for like, for the you know, 15 lads that didn't play why aren't they playing games? you know, players like luckmen who weren't playing but lads who hadn't yet gone out on loan you can make a team everyone would want to play everything well, real, wasn't someone like that want to play you know, they play the kids they'll play it doesn't matter, you're getting games or whatever I just think it builds everything up but yeah, pre-season wasn't great and that played into when we played against good sides David just, because the likes of City had played United but that's the thing, these other clubs are going to pre-season in the likes of the States Liverpool are playing Liverpool are playing City and you know, this summer and the playing like in Chelsea and the playing in America or some teams are playing in in Asia and the temperatures are playing like every couple of get days for a week, you know in hot conditions and they're going through and they come out of it playing top sides and they look come out of it going, being fresh and ready to go for the new season and fitting straight into it, because they know you've got to be out of from the start and we're like just trundling along and it just for me, I just, look at Matt this is fair season, after a really good pre-season in the States playing in cold opposition in testing conditions but saying that, that was the first three games we're all draws and we didn't really play we played really well in Norwich but West Brommerone wasn't great Card of the way, he wasn't great I'll give you that, a fitness one I think what Moisey should do well was they played like Actings and Stanley in Preston and they'd have a lot of games so I remember when we went to Australia we'd had eight pre-season games we scored all kinds of goals we were getting 50 goals but we'd had just a lot of games and that lot of games, means every play was near enough, 90 minutes ready so whatever team Moisey picked was ready to go don't forget, it takes four weeks even in the season before players are at where they should be, no matter how fit you are that first game of the season not how you've envisaged the game because you think your team is running fully fit it has that period when the game rolls it's just the way the Premier League is it's the way the season is but you want to give yourself the best chance to get in that first game ready to go so that you can get any advantage you can I don't think we did that No, I don't think we did, we helped ourselves but it might have been the fact of the Europa League getting caught up in the Europa League I suppose it's organisation as well it's easy for us to go to play there but we didn't know whether we were in the Europa League or not for the second leg so we're trying to build that in but I'm sure there would have been even leave the Wales teams you would have played but for me anything up to that first game it should have been better you know what mate, there's nothing wrong with playing against someone like real fragging and saying I'm winning 8-1 or 8-0 and your strike is getting a couple of goals because it's the rhythm for me, I'm scoring for fitness is not the necessarily the thing it was about getting players just on the same pitch and getting them into a way of playing how do you, I know they train every day but it's not the same you've got to implement it against people who don't know what you're going to do if you're training on someone if you're facing them 7-11 everyone knows what system is being played if you go up against a team who don't know and you're trying to implement a thing then suddenly it's like oh this isn't working what do we do or whatever this is working or whatever or bring him on it might work better or whatever, you don't know and I just don't think we did that enough again that's what happens isn't it because the players you've come in you've got to give them a few games they don't settle, we say to them that every day so why has he got to settle and now you can wear whatever skills he's got and he's rolling the team against the opposition you don't know, that's what it's all about otherwise no player would ever need to bed in as long as they've been training with you they just go in and play their game and it doesn't wear football, it doesn't wear like that but levels as well isn't it you go in and you're training every day with certain players and you're like oh this is great and you go up against better players and you're like oh god actually I've got to take it up a level I'm not you can say that for players I mean obviously one of the big problems is last just final subject one of the big problems was obviously having a runy class and eventually and not knowing again planning, not knowing how these players were going to fit into a system or not not sticking with a system that you you know what I mean, just sort of going well this is not where you can throw it out the window now we'll leave it to bed in yeah I don't think he knew because when Riony's press conference he said he's going to play him as a striker didn't he then he he didn't really play him as a striker and I know Wayne doesn't help he played an old Trafford on his own up front he played really well for an hour but I don't know Wayne drops too deep you know he can play him with another striker and say to him stay up as much as you can but he naturally will drop off because he wants to play the game wants to be involved in the game he doesn't really know what to do with him Guilty coming and having trained or a train who hadn't done anything else because we'd asked about and David Klassen wasn't up to speed he should have been used off the bench with half an hour to go 25 minutes to go, whatever get on, get about, see what it's like come on when the game's slowing down a bit when players have done 70 minutes out of paces he's slightly slower we talked about before about mixing her up for me David Klassen should have been a player he should have played every rugby game in his favourite position for me, just to get used to and then be brought sort of be brought into the Premier League gradually I mean of course you all want your new shiny players to play but if it's Tom Davis has just come off the back of a good season and he suddenly finds himself out of the team so you've interrupted them two players instead of saying to one well you keep doing what you're doing and you get used to the Premier League you should be keeping players if you can hang your hat on Tom Davis at the end of the season coming into this season the kid plays well we're going to play right back so it's like now he can do me a job David Klassen, good player not probably up to speed it'll be a bit difficult so we'll integrate him giving league up games we had Sunderland at home we'll play him in that 490 we'll play him in the Europa League and then last 20 in Premier League games and that way your introduction he knows the level he's got to get to and putting him in a position where he plays if he's not playing off the front man playing one of your sentiment field players this is what it's like in England you've got to work out because I don't think he's afraid to work out and he come on at Westam at half time the other week last game of the season thought he'd done alright thought he'd looked, he didn't look out of place I think ultimately the problem might have been there's just too many players to integrate yeah yeah of course that ultimately might have been without having that set plan in place because if you haven't got a set idea huge what plays that's what I'm saying it was too random it was too all over the place there wasn't you can have a plan you need a plan when you're making so many changes yeah and there's so much change to your team you need a plan and as I said for a club with an experienced manager with a director of football with intelligent people around the plan was just unbelievable I mean you would think you would think the owner chief executive director of football manager would sit down before the beginning of the season well that's what you'd think and say well what do we want to do we want to buy these players how are you going to use them when the fixture list comes in you've got the fixtures and you know when you're playing the Europa League games you want to use these players well this is what we're going to do Europa League whatever happens we're going to try and put a team up that we think is good enough to win to get us out the group not win every game, get us out the group and the Premier League games yes it's a difficult start and yes like Farad said there will be some we need to win and some not saying they're acceptable losses so we might get three points there but we need to just keep playing the team and stop reacting to everything that's going on around us and just keep on the path well you can only control what you do so if you react into everything else you can't control those circumstances you can control as your team and if your team amasses enough points or wins enough games then ultimately he's successful but you start worrying about everything around you it's like when you look at the league in September not told when you start getting jittery you go and then by April it's totally different and you're in a totally different position you go why was I worried there or the way we thought they were going to do that there still worried in November but now we're unshamed here ultimately now when you look at it we were eighth and we didn't know when they're going down anyway let us know your thoughts with it do you think it went wrong this season forever and let us know your thoughts in the comments to anything we've just spoke about look out for more videos regarding the season we'll see you later