Coming up on DTNS what Netflix's reorg means to you Apple and Foxconn might be in a spat and the lowdown on why Twitter Facebook and Google are talking to Congress about section 230 This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday October 28th 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane. It's all like city. I'm Wednesday Scott Johnson and The show's producer Roger chain We were just talking about the old times the good times the things you forget like the savings and loan scandal on good day internet If you want that and a wider conversation become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS Let's start with a few tech things you should know Microsoft's first fiscal quarter of 2021 beat expectations with revenue up 12% and all three of Microsoft's operating groups seen year-over-year growth Azure saw a 48% revenue increase Xbox content and services revenue increased 30% gaming revenue as a whole increased 22% Windows OEM revenue was down 5% but Windows commercial revenue increased 13% CEO Satya Nadella said on the company earnings call that Microsoft Teams now has more than 150 million daily active users which is up 53% from April Windows central sources say Microsoft is readying a big Windows 10 update for 2021 That's usually the thing we get a small one and then a big one This expected a big one would redesign the start menu action center and file explorer among other things The UI project is codenamed Sun Valley and expected to be included in the upcoming Windows 10 cobalt release scheduled for holiday 2021 Amazon launched a dedicated portal for Sweden at Amazon dot se the local storefront will launch with 150 million plus products in 30 categories and will provide free delivery on eligible orders above 229 Kroner, which is about $26 us and are fulfilled by Amazon. This is Amazon's 17th local portal and While tiktok waits for its court cases to wind its way through the courts it announced it will expand some resources in It's in-app election guide in the United States adding direct access to polling locations and hours Guides meant to help people having voting difficulties other details how the voting process works Tiktok is working with the Associated Press to offer an interactive map on election day in the United States as well Showing live results for both federal and state elections as well as ballot initiatives. All right Let's talk about Netflix. Netflix has reorganized its content division and you may think Does that impact me? It's just internal politics, right? Well daily tech news show talked Merrill Barr into writing up an explanation of what it means and how it will affect us This came as a result of me texting with Merrill last night where he was explaining all this I was like, can you write this up for us? And he very nicely did the short version is that Netflix used to be organized in a really odd way It would be organized by genre and then budget and then territory and you'd have executives in charge of these little tiny silos So Barr wrote in his article for us one exec would handle high-budget dramas while another handled low-budget sci-fi and fantasy and another took charge of Canadian imports while another Managed the Irish mysteries and they all competed with each other Now under this new organization the division will be a more traditional one with an executive in charge of drama All drama no matter the budget or whether it's Irish or whatever an executive in charge of comedy an executive in charge of Unscripted etc with all the territories in the budgets mixed together Barr suggests this might lead to Netflix making more traditional television rather than what he calls expensive 10-hour movies So if you're looking at Netflix and and you often think like gosh That's kind of a high production value But those episodes were long and it didn't really feel like a series and and it's it's kind of fitting into a weird genre I'm not sure I get it if you like that bad news They might be changing that if you don't more traditional formats may be coming out of this I Kind of like this and I don't like this Scott. I don't know how you feel Netflix is only one of some streaming services that I sometimes just peruse and just find a weird series and just give it a go and With good or bad results, but I kind of like that randomness I love you. I love the fact that yeah, like someone was like, oh, I'm in charge of the Irish mystery section you know and and and It getting a little bit more mainstream Especially because Netflix has a lot more competition than it did just a few years ago That does make sense for the company, but I wonder if it it kind of I don't know We we get a little SOL on the consumer side if we like a little bit of randomness. Yeah, I don't know what this will mean I'm a little worried about the same thing. In fact, I what you said is exactly how I feel Some of my favorite things I've discovered on Netflix not necessarily stuff that was pushed to me or that was promoted Well, but things that I just sort of discovered Dairy girls as a good example of a comedy I've never heard of it before loved it loved every second of it. I feel like I don't maybe get that without this more fractured competitive Girls is an acquisition not original. That's true Originals have been suffering a lot of cancellations a lot of people going yeah, I tried it, but it wasn't that great Yeah, I think that may be what they're trying to address here. Maybe maybe that's it Yeah, the original stuff is competing with the stuff. They're importing which is maybe that's bad, but for me It's been good. I like the weird stuff out of nowhere that I didn't know I wanted and I hope they just don't lose that It's funny. I was talking to a friend recently because you know, we're in spooky season, right? That's what we all call it now. I guess and you know, it's a you know a lot of horror horror movie stuff And that's not really my jam, but I can see a company like Netflix Using that kind of like we need some just very obvious buckets And so everybody who's been doing this kind of esoteric stuff Like we're all just gonna you know, let's let's get a little bit more cut and dry because the new people who sign on Aren't maybe like Scott and me looking for that rando series that no one's ever heard of Yeah, well, if you want some more details about this kind of a new thing for us to Hire folks to write for the site and give you a little more information. Go check it out daily tech news show dot com The information sources say that Foxconn has been telling Apple that it hired more workers for project than it actually has Using Apple owned factory equipment to make products for rivals and cutting corners on component and product testing Some of the more than two dozen sources also say that Apple has increased monitoring of Foxconn employees and equipment as a result of this The sources say that since Tim Cook took over at Apple It's put pressure on Foxconn to reduce costs to Apple this pressure on Foxconn's margin is thought to be the reason for the corner Cutting Foxconn has tried selling equipment for manufacturing and component testing to other manufacturers to a little success Reportedly it also developed its own polish for iPhone screens rather than buying it from a Japanese company And in a specific example of corner cutting Foxconn allegedly decided not to disassemble rejected iPhone 7s But instead opened them removed the debris and then resealed them to avoid wasting materials Apple wasn't informed of this deviation from protocol. Yeah, this is a well-sourced thing They've got a couple dozen sources. It is the information. They've a fairly good track record And it does seem to imply that Apple and Foxconn have been a little bit at loggerheads that that relationship is on the rocks Apple under Tim Cook who was their supply chain master for many years before he came became CEO Really pressing the margins which is causing Foxcon You know under that pressure to cut some corners and then when Apple finds out about it they don't release the pressure they just put in more audits and more checks and If you go further into this article seems like they may be diversifying their supply chain partly because it's just a good idea to diversify your supply chain as we've all recently learned but also Because because of this issue and because if they go with a Wistron or somebody else to make certain things They may find it easier at least in the early going when they're trying to please Apple back when I worked full-time for company we dealt with companies in China all the time and The margins are ridiculously thin just from the get-go even in a small company environment It was always tooth and nail to try to cut costs, but also keep quality up And I think this just feels like that But writ large. Yeah, it's a scalable problem where if you are constantly pushing for lower margins You do get to a threshold where the factory maybe just has to cut corners and hope that no one knows I guess I guess what I'm saying is I'm not super surprised by this but it also represents a lot of time iPhone 7s is that's an old phone at this point and Tim Cook's been in there some since what 2011 Almost 10 years So that's a lot of time to cut said corners and try to you know Adhere to Apple's pressure for lower prices and at the same time keep up your quality and your processes And I just don't know if it's a table or tenable in the long term Yeah, I am doing battle. Let's talk about AMD. They have you know, they're around they got stuff They introduced three new Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards that compete with Nvidia's RTX 3000 series about to get my hands on one of those soon So we'll see if the hype is all there or not all three new 6000 series cards are based on our DNA to Also used in the PS5 and Xbox series X if any of that sounds familiar That's why they support hardware accelerated ray tracing and use a 2.5 slot design with regular PC Connections they all come up with 16 gigabytes of GDDR 6 memory But use high speed 128 megabyte cache TP feeds data Sorry, excuse me to feed data into the graphics pipeline rather or better without increasing power draw the RTX Rx 6,800 is $579 the 6,800 XT is $649 and both of these go on sale on November 19th the 6900 XT is $999 and that cool price will come to you on December 8th So competitively priced with Nvidia's current offerings and in theory performance wise as well So I've said from the get-go of the voodoo days. It was really important that graphics Card suppliers or graphics card innovators have competition in this market And you could argue that Nvidia has gotten a lot of spotlight lately But AMD has always been strong with deals with console makers and other device makers This puts them hopefully, you know in parody with the PC side It's gonna heat up for for desktop graphics processing moving forward. What's what's interesting is that? Ray tracing as a feature is now a Tick box that you need to have on your product before like when it was first introduced by Indie video everyone was like Well, I mean, what are you gonna really see over what traditional? shading offered you and apparently enough for in AMD to crank out cards as well as GPUs for for the ps5 and the Xbox one series X Further machines. I don't know. It's it's really exciting at the same time It's also kind of unnerving to see that the and granted these are these aren't mid-range cards But like, you know, you're starting around 500 580 bucks Although what's interesting is Nvidia is actually cheaper with the RTX 30 70 at 500 versus the RX 6800 Which it's paired against at which comes in at 580, but the rest the Radeon comes in a bit cheap Noticeably cheaper. Yeah a little bit more parody there. The other thing to just mention about this is the tier race tracing comment That's a really important pivot for all of these companies right now And it kind of came out of nowhere came very quickly I'll say it that way because people have been trying to figure out real-time ray tracing which basically is just rendering light physics for those not aware Forever we've been doing this forever It used to take a day to render a single frame of a ray trace single image and now we're doing it in real time And even games like I'm playing World of Warcraft right now in a 2080 Nvidia that is running ray tracing on a 15 year old game So it's actually a technology that in theory will affect Lots and lots of games not just new ones, but those who are still around or playing as services fortnight's a good example They're adding ray tracing capability It'll be there for their console release and so on for these new consoles So it is really truly a tick box now You're right and it will become a standard moving forward and we will just one day look back and say Well, that's just video game lighting and and that's when it changed And that's just how we get lighting in video games now and it's a big thing I think it's a huge thing for a lot of people seems Like I already have video games with cool lighting, but this is a big step and and what's interesting for AMD is they're trying to fight two fronts Right, they're trying to fight on the CPU front, but also the GPU front and they're with different companies It's not like you know, you're going at it for GPU market share with Intel or CPU market share within video So they they are they they're in a very robust position right now that they can work on both fronts Equally competently at this point. Yeah, it's interesting. Do you mention the the price point on the 6,800? AMD is saying you want to compare that to the 2080 ti not to the 3070 And I don't know if that's because the 3070 does it goes on sale later this week and they want to direct your attention away or for it from it or if it just Matches up better against the 2080 ti, but AMD is doing an interesting thing here betting on cash betting on performance to say look no you can get more Gddr6 memory out of an Nvidia card at the high-end sure But ours is managed better ours is beating it in the specs And you know, that's that's a typical Maneuver there. We'll we'll see if it bears out with independent tests and all that but It's an interesting way to say like we're gonna draw less power. We're gonna be more efficient even if we don't have all the same specs Hey, folks, if you want to join the conversation in our discord Do that you can talk about all kinds of things in there a link to a patreon account and join at patreon.com slash DTNS Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Alphabet slash Google CEO Sundar Pichai and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey testified before a US Subcommittee about the way they use section 230 or safe harbor section 230 of the CDA in the United States provides that quote No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider All that means is if I'm hosting an AOL chat room at AOL AOL is not responsible for what the folks in there say AOL is the Publisher is not the publisher or the speaker the the chatters are and that now applies to Facebook and Twitter It also protects the companies from civil liability for actions quote Taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider Facebook or Twitter considers to be obscene lewd lascivious filthy excessively violent harassing or otherwise objectionable This is important. This says they can remove stuff that isn't illegal and they're not Subject to civil liability for doing so. That's one of the main things that's at issue here Keep in mind that otherwise objectionable category when we get to this later on now section 230 does not exempt them from criminal law That's in the in the law does not exempt them from intellectual property law So DMCA takedowns don't get a section 230 exemption It does not exempt them from state laws were applicable electronic communication privacy law or more recently with the passage of FOSTA sex trafficking law a Subsequent case to the passage of section 230 in 1997 sarin versus AOL Determined that section 230 quote creates a federal immunity to any cause of action that would make service providers Liable for information originating with a third-party user of the service So originally section 230 was building on case law that said if you don't know something's illegal Let's say you're a bookstore owner. You shouldn't be liable for what's in every book But if you know it's illegal, well, then you're on the hook This federal immunity to any cause of action took them off the hook for a lot more things Now a lot leans on the wording that shields them from liability for taking down otherwise objectionable content West Virginia senator Shelly more capito During the hearings asked all three CEOs how they define otherwise objectionable content That's what they're getting at is like do you consider? conservative opinions objectionable content of course none of them said that Mark Zuckerberg noted that the phrase gives them latitude to stop bullying and harassment and getting rid of that phrase Might limit the ability to fight bullying Sundar Pichai agreed and said yes that phrase gives us the flexibility to fight bad stuff Senator Roger wicker who chairs the committee said it was important to shield companies from liability Without giving them the ability to censor content. They dislike so he was one of the few people saying section 230 shouldn't be repealed But we should curb the ability for these platforms to say well I don't agree with these folks So let me moderate them down and those are the two issues that people with 230 have first issue is Companies are too slow to take down harmful content things like Holocaust denial for instance That is content that is not necessarily illegal under the First Amendment here in the United States But that's stuff that people would rather they didn't have up there and they're too slow to take it down There's also people accusing them of being too slow to take down illegal content like child pornography number two Removing content based on its viewpoint. That is usually conservative users being censored before section 230 internet companies had two options You could either leave everything up So you're not liable in other words they could say like we're not going to moderate anything it will be a cesspool Not our problem because if we moderate anything reliable or they could heavily moderate And say okay fine, we're going to keep it from being a cesspool. But since moderation causes us to be liable We're going to enact prior restraint not you know, you can't publish anything until we approve it Which would of course lead to a lot more censorship. So section 230 says well if We don't want a cesspool where people are doing Holocaust denial and child pornography. So But we also don't want full censorship where every platform is only allowing through the things that they're sure are safe So section 230 actually provided a safe space for both of these objections to be lessened Which is why i'm glad senator roger wicker said well, we don't want to get rid of section 230 that would make it worse Maybe we should consider new laws or new exemptions or new emphasis in section 230 During testimony to congress twitter's ceo jack dorsi described his own three point plan That could be expansions to section 230 could be brand new legislation altogether Or or if he's willing to do industry self regulation like like movie ratings, for instance Point one of his three point plan was to make clear what the moderation process is So everybody can see if it's being followed twitter already does this facebook already does this Here are our rules Now you can hold us accountable to our rules number two would require an appeals process So individuals could get redress if the process is not followed correctly Facebook is creating this with their so-called independent supreme court twitter doesn't really have anything But they i guess they're willing to set something up and number three Would be let users have a choice of filter algorithms based on their preference If you don't want, you know, if you want i want to see everything unless it's illegal You could choose that algorithm or you know what i don't want to see hate speech I don't even if it's illegal. I don't want to see this kind of stuff You could choose that algorithm there could be flavors of filtering that you decide Rather than having the company decide at least that's his suggestion Facebook CEO mark zuckerberg also supported an update to the law Specifically ideas around transparency and industry collaboration zuckerberg repeated his call for the government to regulate harmful content privacy elections and data portability A lot of people are accusing zuckerberg now that he's successful And has has rose to success on no regulation. He would like regulation to stop competitors from being able to catch him This is not just the united states either We should note the european union's executive commission is drafting a new digital services act And part of that act would address liability for harmful or illegal content Competition commissioner marguerite vestiger is due to unveil her proposals on december 2nd This is a really tough one, uh, and scott go ahead if you got got some money Well, I just something just occurred to me and I was to get off my chest the the three-point approach that say Jack has here from twitter I know that that's probably too simple But I really like it like I like to think that everything could be improved under those three ideas And maybe it can with adjustments to the law to account for whatever and them building the tools needed to fulfill those three points Like maybe that's as simple as that But to me that's that says everything and I don't even agree with jack dorsi half the time But I I really like that particular approach Um More than I liked anything else coming out of those other guys today So just just just off the cuff thought about the three-point twitter approach approach Yeah, the felt between algorithms point, you know, which is what was one of those points that came from jack dorsi Yeah, initially I was like, yeah That would actually that would make a lot of sense if there's stuff that you know It's protected by free speech or not technically illegal But really upsets me and I don't want to see it, you know I can kind of make my experience my own But we have a lot of those tools already and that does sort of defeat the purpose of the point of the social network As it stands today twitter and facebook are always the examples that we use as the most obvious ones, but there are others and Yeah, it's it's kind of I can see where the people in charge of these companies are like Okay, we've got some options. We definitely have some options here, but you know, it's going to Radically change the entire, you know, vibe of this whole thing that we've built over time and There is a very fine line between something that is wrong and Should not happen and something that just someone else doesn't like And I mean I see a lot of that, you know all the time where I'm like, well, I mean they're a lot to say that but It's just crappy It's when you start thinking about the actual content We really get stuck in the weeds one of the senators brought up a story somebody had made up whole cloth about him beating a dog to death words to that effect and Basically saying to zuckerberg what are you gonna do about that when somebody posts some fake thing about me beating up a dog? and It occurred to me. I'm like We're such bad stewards of our our corner of these social networks that There you have to be generalized, right?  I can stop the story about the dog I don't know how you do that Well, I to put a button on this conversation. I I think what we're running up against is the problem is actually anti competitive If you have 30 facebook's and 20 twitter's You don't have the objections because it's like well, okay They're allowed to tilt their viewpoint to whatever direction they want because there's all these others you can go to And misinformation is hard to spread when you have so many different platforms and people are not all using the same one The problem is everybody's using the same couple in this case and mostly using one one or two of them Yeah, I it's gonna be interesting before it isn't You know what I mean? This is never going to probably be a thing that's totally solved. It will evolve over time Scott, this might also be interesting But in a good way to you Alphabet says that one of its loon balloons spent 312 days aloft well above its previously Stratix Spiric flight record of 223 days it launched in Puerto Rico It went to Peru it passed over the south Atlantic Indian and south pacific oceans And was eventually collected in Baja, Mexico 10 months and 135,000 miles later. Wow, that's pretty bad. Oh Yeah, good good work loon Yeah, this is uh, this is a good test like because what they want is these loons to be able to just go all the way around the earth uh and and sort of Spell each other right so if you're trying to provide connectivity in Baja It wouldn't be the same balloon providing you the connectivity all the time But there'd always be a few balloons over Baja and that's because they would just keep circulating around the earth But to do that, of course, you need to have a be able to make it all the way around the earth So this is this is good progress towards that goal Is it bad for me to assume that when they're done with one of these they shoot it out of the sky And it crashes into somebody's shed and that's just the end of it Because I like that idea in my head only in my head only happen over roswell and it will be misinterpreted. Ah, man. All right, fine I don't know. I mean you can crash your balloon into my property. It'd be kind of fun They're a little high to shoot with your with your own rifle too. That's that's another point Hey, let's wait any let's look at the mailbag anything in the mailbag. There's uh, oh tong There is uh, allen who actually wrote us on patreon said referring to good day internet 3895 the peri show I've been using tech coup the team major series cases for years and I just bought another one for my iphone 12 This was yesterday's show if you were listening We were talking about cases and tom was saying I kind of want a case and you know Do you case or do you not case allen says these are so cheap? This one was seven dollars eighty five cents on amazon and I like the two-part installation I think it's easier on the phone when going on Well, thank you allen. 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Man, we ought to talk about this thing that Nintendo just recently posted up on their Twitter account. Really warning us about something with Nintendo Switch cartridges that they should have told us before the Nintendo Switch even came out. And I do just want to do a quick reminder that we are giving away a Mythic Edition Satisfied Grip. There's a link down in the pinned comment or in the description. But I don't want to waste too much of your time. Let's just jump right into this. And you know what? We have this tweet over on one of the Nintendo official accounts out here. Let's just translate this tweet. And it says, in the game card slot, there is a terminal to read the game card. If you clean this with a cotton swab, like people tend to tell you to take a cotton swab or whatever and put some rubbing alcohol on, that's usually a way to clean contact points. Either way, with consumer electronics. Or insert a game card with a broken terminal. So this is obviously if your cartridge is broken, it may get caught in the terminal and break. Please do not touch the inside of the game card slot.  Please do not blow on it. Saliva may adhere to the terminals and cause parts to rust or corrode. I also will note that you could probably use an aerosol can, you know, one of those air blowers because then you're not worrying about saliva either. And the stuff that comes from that, you know, like when it sometimes freezes your parts, that is not something that's actually going to damage your components. It's why it's popular to use to blow out dust with computers and all of that. So while they don't make that suggestion, I would say that that is very, very interesting. But as they obviously note up here in this original tweet, they really don't want you to use the cotton swab method, which I find to be fascinating because they're really, the only reason I can see them warning on this now is that they've been sent a number of repairs where the inside of the place might have a little debris or maybe some strands from those cotton swabs that might have been causing it to break or people are being too aggressive with it. I'm going to be completely honest. I have cleaned my game card slot with rubbing alcohol and a cotton swab and have had zero problems. But also I'm someone who like actively repairs electronics. So I'm a bit more experienced. I guess if someone's just looking up a guide online, maybe they're being like too aggressive with that cotton swab and maybe that's what's causing it. I don't know. But what I find interesting is that this is a warning Nintendo, you know, if this was something that could cause a problem, and maybe Nintendo didn't know because I doubt they tested cleaning methods, I would say that this is one of those things that Nintendo probably should have warned us before the switch even came out or shortly thereafter. The fact the warnings coming six plus years into the system feels a little bit strange. Like, yeah, they told us not to lick the cartridges because they put a special coating on it. And yeah, that coating is to prevent infants and others from wanting to actually swallow the damn thing if they put it in their mouth. And I understand that point or a patch or something like that because the cartridges are quite small. It was nice of Nintendo to think of some sort of anti-measure there. But it's very strange to me that a very common cleaning method is supposedly not supposed to be used because people are breaking their switches. They're breaking the card readers.  So you know what, if Nintendo says not to do it, don't do it. Don't do it. You know, use the vacuum method, which works to varying degrees. It doesn't necessarily always break the dust off when it's stuck or just use one of those air duster aerosol cans. Anyways, guys, I just wanted to bring this update to you guys. I think it is really important because a lot of us have switches that have been around for a while. Maybe we're worried about some bad contacts. Maybe when we put our cartridges in, it doesn't always work. So you're taking it out and reinserting it. Chances are it's bad there. They also say not to use the cotton swab on the actual cartridge pins either. And again, I think that the concern there is maybe some people, they probably can't confirm this, are ripping off pieces of that cotton swab, getting it stuck on the contact points, and then that could be breaking the slot as well. Again, this has never been a problem for me. But you know what, this is Nintendo's suggestion. So that is what we have to put forward to you guys. So let me know what you think about this down in the comments below. Should they have told us about this ages ago? Because I think at this point, anyone that was going to do this is probably already broken their switch. Or do you think this is a non-issue and Nintendo's just tired of seeing repairs of broken cartridge slots? I don't know. But we'll see you in that next video.


Yeah, so here we're showing a demonstration about HDR content and we wanted to show Give people a sense of how HDR content works. So in this demonstration, we have a Visio peak quantum again on top and a 2018 OLED on the bottom We're showing content that really takes full advantage of all of the capabilities of high dynamic range So this content has peak values that run all the way up to 10,000 nits Which is what the HDR standard allows and it's full BT 2020 colored in it and so you can really see The value of the extra luminance that the quantum dot TV has so the Visio peak quantum peaks at 2,400 nits The OLED TV is something like seven or eight hundred How much do you say the lids peak? 2,400 that's that's pretty high. It's pretty high. Is that their their highest? Spec TV it was for 2018 and for 2019. They just announced that they'll have a 2900 minutes for one of their TVs. It's pretty awesome to get that much nits. Yeah, just 700 Yep, 7800 depending on how small you make the patch can go a little higher even so right now the I mean I don't know if that's unfair or not, but the people have windows, right? So normally people don't Close the shades just to watch TV. So you have advantage right there, right? Well, yeah, I mean we live in California So we watch football games at 10 in the morning and the shades are open It's pretty bright, but you know the quantum dot TV looks great in any lighting environment I think that's a big part of what we're saying here This is a really great scene to look at so you see the Sun here is You can see it right and the OLED set. It's actually missing And so what's going on here right in this scene this looks like sunrise the day starting You know, it's gonna be a beautiful day Maybe over here sunset the storm is rising in terms of it for a movie or piece of content It's a very different meaning right and so one of the pieces of feedback we get when we do these kind of shoot out Demos is like well, yeah, sure But you know what did that what did the the director in time? What did what did the content producer? Why does this guy look a little bit bluish down there? The sky looks a little bit blue But I mean the colors are better on the quantum dot well the colors are better But this scene actually we have this really great tool here from AJA video systems And this is analyzing every pixel actually of the content in real time But you can see from the color gamut chart here that it is white gamut content Actually, it actually falls a little bit outside p3 in a yellow for the Sun But mostly the content is within maximum time the real thing here is the luminance. So this frame this Frame of content has a peak luminance of 9788 minutes, so that's almost all the way at the top of The range that HDR content can carry you actually see it in the histogram here this Peak for the Sun way up here at the top So eventually there'll be 10,000 it Displaced and it'll be perfect for that. Yeah, we think so and so that's actually outside the range of what the What the the quantum dot TV can show too, but because it has a higher Luminance range it doesn't have to tone map the Sun down too much, right? They can actually show there's a difference here and here whereas with the lower peak luminance for the OLED It needs to really tone map those 10,000 new values way down into something it could show and That's where you sort of lose some information there and it totally changes the meaning of the scene so That's pretty cool. And it's not too expensive right by a visual. Yeah, during the holiday season. These were available for 1399 at Costco That's amazing. It's pretty good price 65 65 65 inch so we're talking Half price or less than maybe a third. I don't know something like that the old this particular OLED I think we bought for around 2700 at about the same time. So, yeah, how close to half. Yeah, that's awesome Thanks for making it more affordable to get this place That's our goal, you know We really want to see quantum dots everywhere and that's one of the things we're so excited about for all the news from the TV Manufacturers of the show this year, you know, you saw a physio adopt quantum dots now and their M series lineup as well as their p-series Tcl is talking about bringing quantum dots to the North America market for the first time high sense their H9 They're gonna have a 55 inch. I think they said for 699 So those are great prices that people can really afford. So it's it's awesome to see 699 and what's the cheapest we can hope to get a 65 inch quantum that I Don't know So but right now we had around 1300 Right now. I think this was one of the lowest ones. There might have been one product That was a little bit last we have to double check though. Cool. Maybe they're announcing some that will be eventually more affordable Yeah, I think so I think that's one of the themes for this year is that you're actually seeing really mainstream adoption for the first time not just staying in the premium segment, but actually going into the mainstream and Why are you showing over there? So over here? This is something. I think you've seen before but This is an example of our quantum dot on glass Q-Dog. We call it And We've talked about this for a little bit a little while. It's a really exciting technology uses a really thin piece of glass In to replace the light guide in the TV Typically or typically any display has a plastic light guy in LCD display You replace that with the glass and the glass is really rigid And so with a really rigid piece of glass as your light guide You can remove some of the structural elements in the display and make a super thin display When we coat the quantum dots actually right onto the glass so we get rid of the film We no longer need an extra piece of film. We can actually just coat the dots right onto the light guide plate So from the users perspective the color is the same the brightness is the same the front of screen performance is Is the same great quantum dot, you know kind of color and brightness you expect but you have a really thin device and so The first product was launched at the show this year. It's going to be a 27 inch monitor I think it's six and a half millimeters thick so it's thinner than an iPhone and it's a 27 inch monitor with quantum dots So it's really kind of a cool new version of our technology. Nice. That's awesome but I mean when I see this of course thin but This is also thin, but then stuff comes with it that you don't need anymore, right? So this is an uses we're adding a layer To to the to the film to the device and in this case Replacing something so we can really make it thinner with the key dock. So it's a good chance in 2019. It'll be a whole much of Q dog. I think so, you know, we know there's a lot of interest But you know, we can't comment on the manufacturer's plans Until they've released those products in the market. So why is the first product PC monitor? And why is it not a TV? Well, that's a good question. I mean, I think I think we if you asked us initially We thought maybe this would be a TV product We actually saw a lot of pull from the monitor side and that's because the thinness really matters for the monitor, right TV Is if you have a really thin TV, that's cool. I think that's really cool at the retail You know when you're going to buy it you go wow, this is thin But then you hang it on your wall and you never think about it anymore. You can't tell it's thin, right? But the monitor it's on your desk and it's really striking and thin and really beautiful And you can maybe you walk around it and you see it and you notice it So I think that the monitor guys really felt like this is something special that they'd be able to market really well And it's important to get more and more HDR for the monitor market, right? You want to have HDR? great HDR and then that means quantum dot for The PC the PC market yeah, we're seeing yeah, we're seeing you know the gaming market Especially on the PC side. We have a couple of monitors out there that have great HDR capabilities with quantum dots and Yeah, that's awesome. That's actually another place where the the speed of the backlight really matters, right? So if you're gaming you know this the content we were looking at over here was 30 frames per second But for gamers they want to push you know 140 plus frames per second the faster you go The more the speed of your backlight actually comes into play and really matters And so you don't want to have a backlight. That's actually leaving this red ghost trail behind Images on the screen with a high frame rate How did how does it affect the speed? What's up what you doing? I thought you were just a passive thing that happens right there But how does it affect the speed of the backlight? Well, so it as the content moves faster, right? So if as you're updating the frames the object is moving a more fine Resolution across the screen and you're and you're turning the LEDs on and off at a faster rate And you can exacerbate the problem with the with the red phosphor ringing And with a quantum that is just faster to turn it nanoseconds billions of a second You know way faster than your eye can see Way faster. Yeah, all right. Awesome. And there was also some some other demos Is it similar to what we saw at your headquarters? Yeah, you've seen you've seen similar demos This is actually an updated version of the quantum dot inkjet printing This is what we call quantum dot color conversion or QDC We think we'll see this coming to market the next couple of years in quantum dot on OLED You see in the diagram here is a blue LED. It could be a blue OLED it could be any blue white source And you have a clear blue pixel with scattering material That's letting the blue light through and then So this is the latest version of it This is an area that we're super excited about And so when I look into the loop I can see a structure That is what you're gonna see individual pixels the blue are clear and the red and the green have actual quantum dot And that's what's making the red and the green the resolution we're showing here is Subpixels that are 280 by 80 microns. That's equivalent to 4k on about a 50 inch TV and Inkgent printed Yeah, what does that mean that well literally like an inkjet printer, right? And so Instead of using a photolithography process where you put all the material down and then you etch off what you don't need You actually just drop the the material right into the sub-pixel So you only use the material you need so it's a great way to reduce the cost of display making So that's gonna help for more affordable quantum dot solutions. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna enable actually this quantum dot on OLED type of device So why is this only for all it like this because you need to inject it right onto the each OLED you could you can also do it with a micro LED Light source. We think that's another area. That's really exciting and eventually. I think you can do it for LCD also anything that you know has a color filter or Light source you can use upon that color conversion for so does that mean and because you have the factory you do all The quantum that stuff, right? Yeah, I mean you're working on making printers that can just ink jet print all this stuff So we're not making the printers, but actually this demonstration was made in collaboration with DIC and DIC is a Japanese company That's one of the largest electronics inks makers in the world And they're helping us to optimize the quantum dots for all the different inkjet printers out there So there's a few companies that make these really industrial scale inkjet printers And we want to make sure our materials work really well with all the different print heads and all the different technologies that are being used to make displays So this printers involved in making displays, but not today actually not today This is a kind of a new area for display making and so this is an area the display industry is really excited about For example one of the coolest part when I go to format the BLE booths for example Yeah, they said they have printed all that right so It's just a machine that prints all that and you're gonna be part of that printer very similar So a lot of the companies that are making the printers for that application are working on making printers for for quantum dot as well So here we're showing something for the first time at CES a Demo that shows that all white-colored gamut technologies are not created equal There's some important differences that we wanted to point out so on the bottom here We have a Visio p-series quantum using quantum dot technology 2018 TV on top. We have a 2018 TV using another white color gamut technology called KSF KSF is a red emitting phosphor that goes inside the LED in an LED LCD And KSF enables you to achieve about 90% DCI p3 So it's a you know reasonably white color gamut not as wide as quantum dot But there's an issue that we wanted to point out We noticed some reviewers noted this and the reviews of some of these TVs They weren't sure what it is. So we wanted to help describe it for them And what you see here is a slow response time from the KSF phosphor So the KSF responds in milliseconds and this really matters for a full array local dimming backlight As you know behind this TV there are a number of LED zones So as the ping-pong ball is bouncing up and down the LEDs are turning on and off following the ping-pong ball With the slow phosphor the LED turns on and the blue and the green turn on instantly But the red ramps up slowly and this means the leading edge of the ping-pong ball has a cyan appearance to it And as the LEDs turn off the blue and the green again turn off almost instantly But the red actually has a little tail to it the red at decays over milliseconds And you can actually see this with your eye and not sure if your camera is going to be able to pick I can see in the camera is I'm filming 60 frames per second I can see at a tail of the ball. There's a little bit of a reddish color There's a little red flash yeah, and your eye kind of integrates it together But as you look at this you kind of feel like something's wrong and then you see this flash of red or flash of green So it's something it's kind of once you see it. It's very hard to unsee right and down here There's none of this problem No, the quantum dots turn on and off instantly and that's what we have this chart here That shows the response time of the quantum dots they respond really in nanosecond So when the blue LED turns on the quantum the red and the green quantum dots respond Just nanoseconds lighter. So effectively instantly they're on when the ball passes away The the LED turns off the quantum dots turn off instantly We see here the blue and the green turn on instantly and then the red sort of warms up And then when the ball passes again the blue and the green go out of the red and you have another video to illustrate Distant slow motion. Yeah, so we did a Slow motion a high-speed camera capture of this and you can really see the quantum dot is on the top And then the KSF set is down here and this you can see that kind of the LED The soccer ball starts off cyan turns to white and then goes to blinking and it's kind of blinking Yeah, because of the high-speed camera speed or something. Oh in this case We used a black frame insertion mode So both sets are using black frame insertion mode and this high-speed capture that that really helps to show off the effect