Yeah, thank you for the introduction and Welcome to this talk where I will tell you about results So experimental results on the correlated dynamics in two different settings of strongly interacting quantum systems so I'm from the group of Hans Christoph Negel at the University of Innsbruck and I'm going to start with a slide showing you the different kind of directions we pursue in our group So we have actually three quantum gas experiments two of them dealing with with mixtures of potassium and cesium and rubidium and cesium and are aiming to produce Ultra-cold molecules and particular dipolar molecules with long-range interactions in optical lattice potentials But I'm actually from this lab where we have a cesium experiment a single species experiment in an optical lattice So I have to apologize that in this talk I will talk about particles with short-range interactions But I hope that I can convince you that we can still do interesting physics with short-range interacting ground state atoms in these lattice potentials so let me Start with this little sketch So what we want to explore in in this setting is the dynamics of interacting short-range interacting particles on a lattice and What they can actually do in this in this lattice landscape, which we engineer with laser beams Is that they can tunnel from side to side so they can move Through the lattice through a quantum tunneling and whenever you have two of them on the same side they're going to interact with each other strongly and so in a way, this is kind of a Synthetic condensed matter system that we engineer here and that we try to study and in particular in situations out of equilibrium So I'm going to start with these kind of systems and tell you about Experiments that we did in the past on correlated tunneling dynamics in tilted mod insulating hubbard chains And then I will quickly switch to new results where we looked on systems with driven particle interactions and it turned out that we can create a Hubbard Hamiltonian with occupation dependent tunneling terms and so this will be the second part And then I will switch to a different kind of setting where we look not on lattice system But actually on on tubes of one-dimensional systems With strong particle interactions and strong correlations and in these kind of setting We have recently observed block oscillation often the block oscillation dynamics of impurities that are immersed into the correlated background Yeah, so to correlate this let me start on the first part So to those of you who are not that familiar with these called atoms and optical lettuces Let me recap a little bit the model that we used to To compare experiments to theory so these atoms sitting on a lattice are actually well described by the Bosa Hubbard Hamiltonian And this Hamiltonian consists of two terms the first term describes the motion of the particles through the lattice We are tunneling so we have a nearest labor tunneling process with it with a single particle tunneling rate j and Whenever we have two of them two of those atoms on the same lattice side they interact short-ranged And this interaction energy is quantified typically by By the interaction energy you and then for some of our experiments what we actually do to initiate dynamics in these systems is we apply a Tilt we tilt the whole system and apply an energy offset from one side to the other Which we quantify by e and we do this in the experiment by a magnetic force that acts on the atoms All right, so I'd like to emphasize here that what we have actually in our lap is so the realization of the Bosa Hubbard Hamiltonian with three different parameters that we can tune independently We can tune the the tunneling rate by the lattice depth We can tune interactions by means of so-called Feshbach resonances And we can certainly tune this tilt by varying this magnetic force What we have done in the past in these systems is we looked on quench dynamics in tilted mod insulating Hubbard chain so we started with a System with exactly one particle in each side So mod insulator For which the interaction energy is much larger than the tunneling rate and then the ground state of the system is such an array of atoms were Where each side is exactly occupied by a single particle and then we applied this tilt to the system So we tilted it and you can imagine when this tilt is sufficiently weak and in particular Much weaker than the interaction energy than just nothing happens, but interesting dynamics can now happen in the system When this tilt so this this energy offset from side to side just compensates for the interaction energy Because then you can imagine that when you have a particle for example sitting initially in this side here to the very left It can tunnel onto its neighbor in a resonant fashion and in a resonant way I mean that the energy needs to occupy this this side with two particles Yeah, the on-site interaction energy you is just delivered by this energy offset by the tilt So it's a it's a resonant tunneling process But it's also correlated tunneling process because it can only happen when this neighboring side is initially populated So there's a constraint on the tunneling dynamics, and we have actually Studied many body many body dynamics in these tilted settings on resonance So so particularly we have started in this one atom per side mod insulator And then we have quickly quenched the system on to this point where equals you and then we have counted the number of doubly occupied sites We call it Dublin as a function of time after the quench and what you see then in the experiment Is that these number of doubly occupied sites oscillates and decays? So this is this many body tunneling dynamics in the system where the particles tunnel back and forth on to their neighbor in this resonant fashion and And you can do this also a bit detuned from resonance by you by changing a bit the value of the tilt So this blue line was really where equals you but then you can do this a bit detuned and these Oscillations become faster and that the amplitude goes down. So this was really stuff We did in the past and what I'd like to emphasize here is that these tunneling oscillations these correlated tunneling processes To a very good approximation essentially happen with a rate that is the single particle tunneling rate So this J in the Hubbard model So it can be used for example as a direct measure in the experiment to measure the tunneling rate if you wish but what we wanted to What we thought about more recently is can we actually engineer a system Where is the where the tunneling of the particles does not happen with J? But becomes actually dependent. So the tunneling rate becomes dependent on the number of particles in neighboring sites So in this sense, can we engineer a Hubbard model with an occupation dependent tunneling rate? that was kind of the question and the way we did that is by Using a fast drive in the system and employ the idea of what is now This cold Adam business Kind of termed floquet engineering as we use a quickly driven system periodically driven system to engineer such an occupation dependent Tunneling rate and what has done in the past To remind you a bit is people have controlled in this way in this by by driving the system the single particle tunneling rate And this is often called the kind of shaken lettuces So what you do is you take your optical lattice and you shake it back and forth very quickly And then you can make such a floquet Analysis of the system and you'll figure out that you can engineer and kind of a system where you have a new Effective tunneling rate that is the bear tunneling rate multiplied by a Bessel function and in the argument of the Bessel function You have the strings of this drive. So by the strings of the of your of your shaking You can kind of coherently control the tunneling rate the single particle tunneling rate So this has been done and has been used now in many different labs For example to drive quantum phase transitions from superfluid to mod insulating states To study classical forms of frustrated magnetism on triangular lettuces to implement artificial gauge fields even to implement now topological models such as the Heldain model or to engineer spin dependent Spin dependent tunneling and lettuces. So this is really just to sketch how How why this field of floquet engineering is now kind of explored in this cold Adam? business and what we wanted to add now is tool to Kind of use these methods to engineer occupation dependent tunneling and not just the single particle tunneling rate And we do this not by shaking shaking the lattice, but so to say shaking the particle interactions We look on a system with periodically modulated interactions What what that means is we have our Hubbard use in the the on-site interaction energy and we modulate this now in time With a with a certain amplitude and a frequency with this sinusoidally in the lab and then for When this drive the drive frequency is much larger than the original Hubbard parameters you and Jay You can do a similar kind of look here analysis as in these shaken lettuces and you what you're going to end up is A new kinetic term in the Hubbard model that has this particular form So you you can recognize the tunneling part. So here's the patient creation operators on neighboring lattice sites i and j this was the bear tunneling rate But now you see that the tunneling rate Is now modified again by a Bessel function and in the argument of the Bessel function have the strength of the drive so you think the amplitude of the Modulation but also in the argument you find now the number of particles on the left and the right side that that Contribute to the tunneling so in this sense you can make now this this term really occupation dependent And what that means is that you when you look now at different types of tunneling processes For example when you have a particle that wants to hop onto a side, which is already occupied This tunneling rate will scale like this blue curve with the modulation strength But when this side is occupied by two particles, there will be a factor of two in here And the scaling will be different. So in this sense you can coherently um engineer a system with Well-controlled occupation dependent tunneling parameters And the way we do this is we again start in mod insulator with Single side occupation in the limit of large interactions And then we quickly switch off the interactions between the particles So we make them non interacting and what happens then is that they can start to delocalize in the lattice They can start to tunnel they they are not blocked anymore by their mutual interactions And this will lead to the decay of particles with of of sites with single single occupancy And the build-up of multiple occupancies in the system We use this decay to actually measure now the tunneling rate in the presence of this modulated interactions so What I show here is the normalized number of single single occupancies in the system or single sites in the system And when we don't drive this is The system and you don't shake interactions and you see this quick decay It will be a component by a rays of double occupancy, but the singlons actually decay you extract when you extract a raid you can You can plot this here So this will be this data point and now we do this experiment in the presence of some modulated interactions with an amplitude delta u Some particular frequency and when we switch on this drive now, we can see that the singlon decay is Is significantly reduced so this gives rise to this data point here in the decay rate We can even completely freeze the system although the mean interaction strength is zero But but essentially because of this drive, it's kind of frozen due to Their neighboring particles So that's the mean sign here and gives rise to this data point and we can go on and on and take more more data sets And if you take points also in between then you can get then you get this type of behavior And do this also a different drive frequency that shifts the whole thing it scales a bit differently But essentially we recover this special function dynamic this special function scaling of the tunneling rate and Again, I'd like to emphasize here that this is only because there's neighboring atoms in the lattice Because you have this many body system if there would be just one particle and you drive your interactions It will just tunnel as it With a with a single particle tunneling rate So this is really due to the correlations in the lattice and the fact that you have many particles So it would be nice actually to see now directly the scaling with with the occupation number also Not only with the drive strengths, but also with the occupation number and We do this again by applying our our tilt trick So essentially we start now with an initial state that is not one atom per site mod insulator But that is more or less kind of a random distribution of single single occupancy Some holes and some Sites with two particles on it Then we can Tilt the system so that this energy offset is again equal to the to the interaction energy and then we We can drive tunneling processes where a particle hops onto sites where there's just one atom If we double this tilt to 2u You can see that now a particle can hop onto a site where there's two particles already So this kind of allows us in the in the experiment to differentiate or to to To isolate tunneling processes Of the form where a particle hops onto a site with two bosons or a particle hops onto a site with just one atom And those those tunnel in the presence of this drive now Those tunneling rates Should scale differently in particular there should be a factor of two in here because you have two particles here and not just one And indeed we we we can do this So what is what is plotted here actually is kind of the number After we after we do this tilt that we wait for a certain time And then we plot the number of w occupied sites as a function of this tilt and we see then two resonances One would correspond to exactly this process where we create doublons in the system So one one goes to two zero and the other resonance would be Um corresponding to the process where two particles two one goes to three zero. So we lose doublons This is these resonances now we can do this We we can actually look on the height of these resonances as a function of the drive again And then we see these different scaling. So that's the drive. That's the height of these resonances normalized And then we see the different scaling and we can actually recover this type of special function rescaling or occupation dependent tunneling in the lattice So this was kind of of the first part where we where we kind of engineered Hubbard model with occupation dependent tunneling and that opens now various new Various playgrounds to actually look on the phase diagram of such hubbard models with occupation dependent tunneling which should exhibit phases of dimer super fluidity and and various other regions Or it could potentially lead to New new tools to engineer gauge fields where the gauge field is actually density dependent so kind of the dynamical gauge field with the density dependence in it This has a little Outlook now on this But now I'd like to switch gears and switch to the to the other type of setting. We were recently studying and this was Not these these both are hubbard systems and dynamics in these both are hubbard systems, but actually a race of homogeneous or let's say invariant one-dimensional Tube like systems. So we we do this by two laser beams which are or re-reflect laser beams which are Horizontally propagating and this gives rise to a lattice in which we create these tube like systems isolated tube like systems and what we wanted to to observe in there is what happens if we If we create an impurity particle in these one-debose gas and And drive this by a force and then we were interested in the dynamics of such an impurity particle In immersed in such a one-debose gas Before I show you the the experimental results Let me quickly remind you a bit to to the physics of these one-dee Systems of strongly interacting bosons So What what you have when you have this knob to to to change the interactions between the particles Is that you can engineer a situation in the laboratory where you have these bosons actually non-interacting So the scattering length is set to zero and then you have a non-interacting bose gas And so the principle in ideal gas in one d And then you can crank up these interactions You can make the scattering lengths larger and larger and larger And at some point you'll end up in a regime which is known as the so-called tongs geradogas where the particle where the interactions between the particles Is basically infinitely repulsive And because you're in this one d setting you can In principle think of the that the particles can't hop around each other Yeah, so they they can't get around each other and this leads to the fact that when they are strongly repulsive The effect of of correlations become important. So You basically end up in a regime with strong particle correlations One can actually even map this to a gas of non-interacting fermions where so to say the the the polyplicate Results from this strong repulsive interactions of the bosons. That's why sometimes also called fermionized bose gas and in the in the In the context of these one d Of these one d bosons the strength of these interactions is typically parameterized by a dimensionless parameter Which I label here with gamma which is zero in the non-interacting limit and goes to infinity in the strongly interacting limit The experiment we had in mind was now to be in this regime where particle correlations become important And create a single impurity particle in these tongs gas and then Subject this impurity particle to a force and see what happens And on the next slide I'd like to sketch a bit what we expected to see or what what what Interesting physics can actually happen in the motion of such an impurity particle immersed in this strongly correlated background gas so An intuition what could happen Can be drawn when you look on the dispersion relation or the excitation spectrum of of this many body system You look on it. So what is plotted here is as a function of of the system's total momentum and the energy of the excitations in the system and Turns out in the context of these one strongly correlated 1d systems that the Low energy excitations obey actually such a cosine shaped periodic excitation spectrum and So in particular you have for any non-zero momentum You have you have a gap. So these excitations are gap and when you approach twice The the the Fermi momentum in the system Yeah, so I said before these bosons are very Kind of comparable to free fermions. So you can introduce actually a Fermi momentum Which depends on the density. They have this periodic periodic shape of the of the excitation spectrum And this reminds you Very much to the situation in a lattice Because when you when you put a quantum particle in a lattice You you'll get a this this quantum particle will feel a band structure Plotted here is a single wave packet a single quantum particle That is placed in a lattice potential and then you have your bryoline zones and your band structure of the lattice And if you now restrict yourself just to the lowest band and this This kind of picture is a bit identical similar. Yeah, so you have periodic dispersion relation and if we now Drive this analog further And you have your quantum particle sitting in this band structure What happens if you expose it to a force? Is that you will actually drive it through the bryoline zone and once you reach the zone edge You'll get break reflections on the other side and this motion of the Of the quantum particle in this lattice structure will be periodic In momentum space And so this is known as what is called as block oscillations and The block oscillation frequency actually depends on the drive Strengths on the force but also on the lattice spacing and now you can make this analog on So what happens to our impurity and we drive it with the force you can imagine that it follows this dispersion relation and and undergo some oscillatory dynamics and again I'll go ahead and say then the effective block frequency would be the drive and depending on the drive and the density in the system and But there is some difficulties because differently to the lattice situation there is a whole Continuum of excitations above this low energy spectral edge And this can be excited in the course of the quantum evolution So the question is really although we have no imprinted lattice structure The the dispersion is still periodic Um, so this could give rise to block oscillations of this impurity particle But can they survive actually because there is there is this, um Continuum of excitations on top that can be excited. So we do experiments now by um By actually exciting this impurity in a different spin state. So we apply a radio frequency pulse This is our correlated background gas or bosons, but the black dots and we Try the single impurity in each of these tubes in a different Hyper in a different Hyperfine spin state and due to the different magnetic moments of the background gas and this impurity it will Experience a force downwards That will be accelerated And then we can do time of light and actually map out the impurity momentum distribution as a function of time We can do this um for various different interaction strengths. So this is actually the scattering lengths of our background so background background collisions and collisions between the background and the impurity atom And tuned by a magnetic field So, um This is true that we can actually engineer this uh this interaction parameter by changing the scattering So the simplest scenario would be a free fall so to say, you know So when we um are on a point where the interactions are zero between the impurity and the host atoms And then what we see is actually that so this is um impurity momentum as a function of time just to base a linear evolution It increases linearly with times or basically this resembles a situation where the um background gas is made transparent to the impurity If you increase interactions now what we see Is that a part of this impurity wave packet after some time gets actually break reflected And it gets break reflected by just twice the firming momentum. So this is um, essentially this effective bryolian zone you get in this Fundy fermionized system And if you increase interactions this break reflected part becomes stronger and stronger and in the deep in the strongly correlated regime You'll see that you get really this type of oscillatory motion With these break reflections of the impurity on the background gas on the correlated background gas And we can compare this to numerics and it fits really nicely There are some slight quantitative differences due to Imperfections, but the overall comparison is very nice You can also extract the mean impurity momentum as a function of time and then we see these oscillatory Dynamics also in the mean momentum. We can compare again today to a Miracle exact calculations of the problem and Amplitude and time scales also fit very nicely And actually really now Extract the the frequency of these oscillations as a function of the force to some extent And compare with these simple predictions from this idea that you go like Periodically through this dispersion relation of the coupled system Well kind of in conclusion what we see is block oscillations of a single impurity particle on the correlated Background gas in the absence of any lattice Find that quite amazing Okay, that's the team working on this From the experiment and there's also very A lot of theory input mainly from andrew daily. I like to thank yugin demler michael knap and michael swanoweth For valuable extremely valuable theory input on this work on the block oscillating impurity and with this I'd like to thank you very much for your attention


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That time, that was 2006 First of all, nili epa shule Ni kakuja ni katakalif One of my deskmates knew The brother knew Kaliw He used to work in Kaliw He was called Mike So, on the line Nisha ma li Kaliw Fiko Mi ni katumia pokishmani angwe Ni kwa nasibsev Ni kareyanganya kina fades Jusens, congrats Ni kaya pia kwa fence Ni kakuja Nairobi Ni kapa rara Mike Women ingoje Na wami ishtiangu Pia lkome fukuza skulfiz Apo evo akra Apo tin rum Wakana pia lkaka Kaliw The next day Nika Rudi Shule Nili pata ni mi angojewa Ula ula manjagunendi Ali newsa by the way Ali newsa truth The teacher knew That I wasn't in school And where I was And now I have to tell the truth By dad never ever Aja wami wami nichiapa Yadani nipigaslap Niko nili ingiatu kwa ni niya Betu nili kwa nili ingiatu kwa Ni niya prinsivi Nili skia slap Kwa usosikuwa na Nisha skia slap Ujawa iskiya Yadani nipigaslap Ni kwa mima Before ni pick up Ni kwa na rasta Nili kwa ya macho Eh And then my dad is owned Ni mimi ni ya kaya ndale My mum came the next day Pia kadi tandi Katua poy Shule And then at some time Of course they came around Na nika leta tantrums sana Na nika leta tantrums Mi ingi sana So eventually my dad Just promised Bia kwa niya bia Wefa niya hezi Nita kato Shule Nuki funga Shule Na kini nita kwa nakupeleka Ni kept his word Ali kwa na nileta Nairobi Fanya mziki na Rudiom To a Rudiocha Then when I finished school I didn't even wait for my results I mean Ni kakuta ni kandzaku Naka ziniangu Waka ni fukuza Gani mesefaji ya mziki Nairobi Yami ni ambiwa Fukuza jini ni kuza Because of the job That I chose to do Pia ni kwa toka studio late Sana soksima na aribu Atoiwa Atoiwa ni ma dhim So umoja kani fukuza Ni kwa na gina Pia umoja kani fukuza Eventually I took Ni kwa na faja To job toki doki Uku karauki Uku kuza Yami ni kuwa na lipa 3k Kus karauki Palia F2 And then Ni kwa na uza Zile unana zile ma promotions Wali kwa na fenya kitambo Unasima waka bara bara Kwa Injaspa Market Za Jaffa Gold Eizot Magio ni ni ni So I couldn't manage To pay for my Kandunba kandungo tu Uki durai Uki durai Ni kuwa na lipa upo 1500 Hey manzina pia Yali ni shinda ku lipa Ni kwa fukuza And I didn't come back home I suffered I've suffered because of music honestly But Ni lika upo, ni kaka upo Eventually anyway Everything just fell apart Klemu's mum took me in I lived with a woman for 4 years She treated me like Yoni oksaisa Ya ni buda klemu Na mada klemu Ali ni treat kama mimi Ni imdruiwao Kuni prioritize Gamdruiwao Kuni perfeya Food and everything So that's where I'll say maybe music started now Kiking in Wale paale Unona Ya sumsahile nga Ni kuwa ni sika reko na meja Ikatu la ya wasasia Ni kia upo kali Kujumaju yasa zile Klamal kuasa Miangghaua of side and mind So koza nslowu pwana Isangakuk rely on studio killer time Ya s식u apo evo Na si kizu ganza kutoka Sada muna isa gani Ni kio upo kuei Ni isa kihadi Na studio eko upo Alright, Kendi Let me take you back a bit Before even We sneaked out of school To come to Nairobi Mulaana ya matulawu tuna, ch finishing qema kufu kawana. Na na na… A mo le ni lamia za kawana na witaqa. Nami ni mouabu ya kufu pisha. Kufu nani ya mouabu ya kufu nani ya. Nami kufu nani ya lai kufu kaza. Nama ni maio na na nani yaa na… Nani yaa ni maio na nani. Nani yaa na na nani yaa na nani. Ni maio na na nani yaa. A mouabu ya kufu nani yaa. Nani yaa na nani yaa. wali mual kwa na pentasana kumini peak nifanya ni inbiawa 2 kora niazisha kora kwa assembly, kwa class, kwa student ni so, nika tata kwa bedere something special about my voice or me or something like that so, nastima ziki potean mi kwa na chesu ya nga watu drums na vijiko kwa desk, kwa class nama entertain nikimbo everybody used to surround me around that time nikimwa imbia nikimwa ni ni so watu wali wala nga ya nga stima zi potea kwa class njodwa imbia so used to be the vibe student I used to be entertaining even in school what about now your activities in school like kula kora social clubs I don't know games, fans, music festivals I was in geographic club and then at some point I changed because you couldn't be in 2 so I went to drama club because now after I was in high school nga kwa na fajaiso kwa nisa ni kwa na pentasana kuhimba na the only place nga fajaiso vitu ni geography nikwa mendatun diya ni na nga isa hote I hated that subject with passion but wali kwa na nga stream so when we went for one we came back with blisters but ni na ni ni because we were camping outside and stuff like that the mosquito bites and took a gun as I was in drama club so how are you balancing all this while in school I used to by then I came in summer so my parents water wheel was summer but I came to this study so I was in the joke But then, we have been the only guest that's been here... Christin was here and you, of all?  I was able to balance class and music. But mostly music... The times I was going to do gospel music, by the way. I heard you. I used to write gospel music around that time. ...but then of course video switch ...so I think she is at the balance ...I think it's because I used to give it ...not have easily been skipped ...not any free time ...or if she did not have any music ...we failed but we still couldn't get the option ...we got some extra stress ...there's no issues ...my mami name must be in the stress way too ...my mother will say that ...my mami used to beat me up Hei, hei, baka ni gaza kukulas kuni ilikusashu lewa ni mamayangu kuweli Kus... Did you remember maybe the mistake that you did your mom had to punish you made you an example to others? Um...  And then, the second time Ay, madaks wu nae ii kukufentia kia, ii ni wongu Aka ndaku assembly Aka mbia... Neni, nii student suki Aka mbia I want you to... Nuna wene kufilak pa liku na kwa ka na Maui E kaba suzi zo Maui Wadro yapa wa zungu shi around mi mi Alafa wani sumamisha yapa taza ni faint wezu Wana kasi ni me faint Usmamisha ni yapa taza I was looking at the side and I... So I started swinging like this And then... Sioka e... I did not understand that my mother really beat me up seriously Ni nbuilding spitewa wama na ni nicha piya po, na bado tu kafunga shule na kadi cha piya om ah, aikwisha aikwisha, ali e kambaga tu kafunga shule nika na om, nika tandikiwa om I'm sorry about that ya, but it was ok, enyata mi lakini kwa ni mehenda tufa I hated boarding school men nili kwa na tukia boarding school na siwata tuwa, eni ni kamaazaza tuwa ni kwa prangatuki fika class 4 boarding school from there baka mwisha Bola why? meh, I don't know siwata kame ni kwa na tukia mwisha can you recommend maybe ok, the way the schools that I went to were right now maybe the schools are better but they are kitambo and then zili kwa kadlik schools they are very tough so zili kwa ungumu men misi ezi, muntui wangu misi ezi mpele ka isu, le kama isu but zili kwa na zoka mwana muntui nae na displain yo na zili kwa, the best schools are for displain but ok fika hey, sofi tu zingine, weh the food was horrible it was so cold it was a special need let me tell you people think that when your parent is kwa na chao shule amata kwa kwa yo shule get the best mimi mai kazi na li kwa matrol yo shule nae na mada kwa li kwa administration and then God me misi kwa ya ni yata watuni kwa na special treatment me misi kwa ipaata na mada kwa li kwa, siyes yata na nganya kwa kwa kwa pwara jwa she's lying she's not sick afaiku pa toi yo special treatment so it used to be it's not easy but my mother used to be like she wanted the best for us wunona so kwa anta kangae any embarrassment for sisi mebe viduzu niya li safa kyu nae niya kwa ita kwa sisi toi yani so I'll say now I see kyu amtoi yo nangi iso needs when ya li kwa iva taf but this is after ni mima li zashule my mother was my best friend I miss her a lot now that I lost her last year na failure emptiness she was my best friend after after all that na ni kwa onan enya me mi me ni ike kwa mi ni li kwa na umitukut ya ni mi li kwa kichungum ike kwa siya laplia sa izin ni kwa ni kwa na watu kasiju anga pyo watu different mebe ni kwa na tumi anka sidi mi anara tina kasiju ya aje even wasn't my mother too so I think there's a reason why she was in that school But boarding school depends, kama hiwa enya niliko, zulez enya zota niliyenda. Hi Mrs. Belakam, tuyongu kwa? But it's kungapu liyenda kwa ni? I was expelled in one. Mili expelled wapri mo? Why? No primary? Rikwana e pa shule. Sia wakame piskua apena boarding school. I was expelled from, it was called Bishop Besoni from Darwin. Then I went to Malimu boarding school. Then I went to, hey, I think me in my own life was in boarding school. I think that's when I was able, even when I was in Nairobi, na nilikwata mdogo niliyenda tuku ishi pekyankoze niliyenda kuji tegemiya from edge of class 4. At your own? Right now, the last time we maliz exams, you're going to sit for your phone for exams, your parents are there, they want to, of course they want the best for you.  They had already chosen a course for me. I did it while I'm doing music. My mother wanted me to be a teacher of course like her. I turned that down. I took secretario. So I did. Niliyenda niliyenda kwa na time kidogo. Niliyenda niliyenda kwa secretary wa mtru, but I'll do it because they want me to have the papers. So I did it. Kumaliza waka puse ma sujiya summer for long. Waka niya kata na catering. But at least I was studying here. So kama catering. So niliyenda kwa na summer. Ni kifanya mziki. So kwa ina nizuiya na anything. Everything was just perfect. So niliyenda summer. Nisa nilihenda liliyenda. Niliya niz음� mens idea na kusipanga kima ishia I tried working for Kumaliza na six months kwa yaw office. Ok. Just understand these. Were your parents supportive in terms of yuh music journey, music career? No. When I started. When I started they started seeing. Even before you went to Carnif. They were supportive. I was buying the idea. They were supportive. Mimini imbi iawa tu. So calling me to sit Kwa saturatikata yami na kuchatero So kuchatero muksin yami na kuchatero謝謝 kuchatera kutige mat outside Haju baga waku So kuchatero Fateji Kutisha la um vemos naza y Although ku고 ko kwarut Only ko occur manifesto kus FORG kufaya mziki alafu tumeruli tuko pride na proud na CDA tu tumerikon hee hee hee motu hiliwa na kwa yon nyomba yosiku hiliwa pa li kapo tisha hee eventually years after my friends were my biggest fans moza zongotu ali kufa ki nusia the best na mziki walenata when they were sick na mziki today is nothing else so they came to understand later but of course I understand was as you know was as you know was as you know was as you know was as you know was as you know but eventually were very supportive so they came around but the beginning your first day you came to Nairobi your friends you mentioned wa kwa leka Khalif wukarudi shuleika later normal you finishing school now starting a musical journey now as an upcoming artist pali Khalif it wasn't hard for me kulemo ali ni komi dogo that same day when I went there kulemo was busy every artist ali kwa Khalif aapua kenda weo micsas ali kwa na fanya job aapua so alikwa na juana so it was very easy for me to meet him aakana bia ni mumi aakasi kia ni kwa na sauti waka ni paya t-shirts t-shirts za Khalif waka ni paya kofia na zile picture za Khalif zile wakua tukata 2 flyers to Khalif 2 let kwa na kina pili pili na kina na ni aakana bia ni hende nirudi shule nika maliza shule alafu nirudi kus I was so short kata ungeranga maliza shule alafu fala ni wekuja na ni wekuja na uniformia shule pia on top of that so sitin li kwa na ngozingine ulu mpi anini actually there's a song mpenziu kinita minita itika it was so stupid I don't even remember no it was mpenziu kinita minita itika waka ti ote minita itika so they started are you from Ambas I was like no I'm from Meru so you have talent aakana bia ni ache yo kora sa apu yo kutambo yo kora sa kaka kora so take it as a beat persona na aftapu mimi ni ni studio niko Meru so there's no ending kata yo beat mera kana bia umaliza uki maliza shule kuja apapa nita kuwa ni me kunguja so mimi ni li hende na nizu vitu na budanguna ni meruia mimi ni bia ni maliza shule sosa ni li hende na nizu vitu ui mimi ni maliza shule na miniya ni me ni mimo nizu mimi ni maliza shule na nipeleka niin ni maliza ni maliza shula ni maliza nio yo am i dad paid for me 10k for my first song for my first song yeah,in a recording recording fee naba tu yunde ya video bada kama package ya kama package yata emuzyki kuwa expensive as much watu aliku alapush it rose and where it is now I saw there was that so nika rudimi I didn't have such a hard time honestly it's ka lif kus klemali ni signi immediately Habreaks are so many desarrollers here and there And people decided then to start the down Attendantsrite But we are tall fair and small I thought he alliance Some being our big he decide Yawe was going to refrigerate Na hikia nituwaRE Nakini kuh Astronomi kufagu huzalimi Wak정um사�atati na jima Bensinu nikuwaze Ao Chuno 누구 na jetione Ya, but then there was also kina jimwad. No, then the person who started making me comfortable in California was jimwad. So we became friends na jim. So we became friends. Then dimi yaakera kwa mga besti piya na dimi yaakera kwa na itwa. I don't remember her name but we were friends at that time. And so I drew nene ni kaza saku ingi ya. Kwa na jimwad, yata ma li kwa me hit. San na na andi iti ni ya. So ni kaza saku ingi zuko. Klik ni handani pole pole. Ulu kuna iti handani. Kuna eh, ah kaka ngapo hini ya kutugazbu imbaka jion. Mananguwa jende upade wa ipata chance ya kwingi ya. Kwa studio ku record. Mini hati sol kuwa na kuja. How many people showing up every single day. Like in terms of numbers. Ulu kuna perangawa kizia mends ya. Kwa stay a zuko. What time is that? 6 otomisha fika? Una fika upwa evo 8. Kusadja. Nain, ni watu ane isha. na utapata chance na keshwa ata kuja tene na keshwa kutua yae ni every day ni wapata chance ya kwengiya 2 studio ya record so wale wa li kwa na paga kyu wana ta kwengiya kwa kulemo basica do li kwa na miwafanya ni ni assuming mini upcoming ni mewa kwa chance na kulemo nao kuna ule mo niya na do na kuna ule mo niya kuna do of course mo niya kuna do na kwa prioritized but if you're not a big brand of course you're not prioritized as much so zgina piya kulemo kwa atanga it was very busy kwa na wasa ni wengisa na namutegi miha kama producer so ali kwa kwanza the first thing ali kwa taka kuske wana imbani so kwa wana imunoma piya of course wana pata yo ae priority pata kuske wana jerebu jerebu of course aze kwa miha mzikiya kwa nimbaya utasi na tuking kwa jya pwempa kegile time and then but then here the system that always worked kwa ali kwa piya kuna wale wasa niya na wakna wao e mwenyewe na kuna wale ali kwa memplices another producer that will work with them wala wana kuna wala ata ali kwa na na za wum kwa kulemo kwa kia wukwa saka kina jua kina dani wana sisa ae ondi wana nda wukwa sisa ae ondi wana jengu maza wala zima zi tokia ndo mech kiliya lebo wana kuna wala ae nila zima mziki tokia kwa zabu nidi wana mech kakali fiivi so ae ondi kwa suzilia ata kwa kwa job kaveji sasa izituna kwa katuko even overnight you in the studio and during the day wana chasa niwa ingine so it used to be like that but first of all kwa muki tu ya kwanza li kwa nangali yangani talent sika asa izi watu wana isa anybody can just go to the studio and do whatever in the studio but for that time not just kiliya mae not even kina luka zwa li kwa evo kama una talent they never gave you so much time but they work but ya chance work but ya producer mungi ne mwenye si ya ya ata ishikana na wali asia na juwa I can say kwa zatend of the day it's a business you know and it has to sell and kali records o gopa DJs kina rken ndo li kwa mech kiliya ii industry so they couldn't kwa zahana time ya quest to mediocre music now na days ntu anezatokia na imba it was outginga apona zina ni but ata time there was no akua nakituka ayu any challenges maybe up a studio now you don't know what to see you are just not coming you don't know how things are done chorus verses beats one day at the studio nisha ipewa beat nga karao ane ya and then that was I never knew that yu li kwa lesson ya ni zikufanya nikwa record muziki zingine nikwa nangopa zingine but clever kwa sama izi nto le mzikin pa kani andiki ayo beat eventually niku jani kaya andiki but ata tu kwa ito ayo song iliku atu ni nilan nilan out to be a versatile artist so that was one challenge that I faced because I didn't understand at that time now I see the benefit of it and that's why you can now work on anything because klamo a li kwa na kutren kama a kwa ambiya na kutren klamo a ga kuja studio kama zini zingas zuna na atura mi misa ized demu ya tra shinasu zi ni anantu kizisha kinatina tanas zi ki na nani ata kama zi wa e jeno na zia ti muziki wata kuskia izon izom tanskia ndi ulan out try the music and all that kind of stuff so you do all those kind of things but ata time unona ni kama na kusumbua the same thing I said with the parents you never know what they are doing na but now after you ukisha groakili ako ii ni nindi yon na joa kituanya so iliku anga challenge us unona ni kama a kutaki ni kama a rai kutua muziki ako but honestly ii yuki to many ideas aisa ana when it comes to writing my music when it comes to knowing what I'm supposed to sell and now I should never sell out because oh when growing up in a chest cloud pia min chest cloud mini brand mini ma namziki why would I be selling in a cloud I want people to buy my music and to buy my talent and to buy my brand I don't want them to be buying my guk ati ni me fanya suju ni ni ni zivitutu nana atua kifanya kus that ina kuweba from nsa zi uno joa tuna chest cloud baka umtuna sa ujine ako but they don't even know what's going on yeah and one thing we learnt with Kilem all that time also was usikawai achajina ikuwe uskaya cha mziki ako ipeeta jina ako ka brand na usikawai acha kitingina utena chest ipeeta brandi ako na mziki ako so they made it to start doing that wewasha aisha because at the end of the day alaiz unata ako kuliai brandi ako na umziki ako for three years one year but if you want to kama kina jua sa easy badu ona kuliai so brandizao badu ona pata endorsements na ata atua mziki if you want something that can sustain you for that long you have to take your craft seriously and take your brand seriously never let your name be bigger never let your music be bigger than your name never let kama easy clouds asa be bigger than your music or your brand but more artists now there's the tend to shift when I shift na tunata kwa chukuliai seriously that's when gigs na kuja kubwa ona pata asa niwati zedani na nindu akoa pana siya tuko kwa sababu akuna mitumanyatek kama sezam na wawziya mkikalia na uso e kuwavitanda ze asa isa muna takahatua bai muna jipostu enye siya tiku namutali kuja kapigai onini bai secret takailik it's you doing that that's what you're selling and now who cares about your music anymore so when you try to sell your music nobody cares about that even if you're talented people start forgetting about your talented they're not interested in that it doesn't matter if your numbers are moving slowly at least they're moving and they're moving properly and you know what you're selling in this watua me kuwanan jaya fame instead of jaya kubeld kitu enye nisustenabu wakuna mwa njaya fame enye your famous today in niya niya na niyata kuwana easy for you kama easy za wufala 2 years from now na takuwa na ngajua ase but kama ni mziki watua ta onna watua takuwa na chesu mziki za tu sizin na chesu ze yo kitambu bia day some songs niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya suki kufreshi ki chesu aded that song 9 years ago na nii kingia plays dija niya niya niya niya niya niya niya nza ku chesu na feel fit ikusabu onona niki ituanshone niya niya niya kapa for me yaw song onona na suki apua kusabu but that is what I am selling is it true that Kenyan artists are now cloud chesus not most of them not all of them but some of them wame sa aw game wame zaku kuwa kama groupies they behave like groupies honestly it's not even cloud they behave like groupies and they're very desperate so yo tundiyokitu ina wachome I think people mii na womba train kama usatniwa ngeza eshimo usani wao kusabu suza na wame ni wu jiamini mii ni musani mii ni mnoma onona na mii na waza umzikiya ngu na nana na waza craftia ngu na na jiamini mii ni kali si fai kuwa na chesu cloud zi jizu na kasi juia aje I'm supposed to be pushing my music I'm supposed to be feeding people my fans, my music kus na wuki anzaku devi etu na anzaku fanyanzifi nzingineza wufala wufala onona shia onisha ma fans na watu na ma promones everybody, even outside Kenya that needs to believe in you that you don't believe in your music you don't even believe in yourself so why should we wona believe in zi fido zi ngini na do gondog mbo na sisa tu kuwa mii ni zasa onona so watu kusabu umziki si kuchukuli siri asi ya make sense now ukupane kwa kulemo Khalif masano ngini na onatu lo hitwa na omoka ya ononatu yana kujana size zi ndo yo ananda na kujana nisha baka nimi mwa kama baka kuwa video anu na medza ya kuwa po endi video viksen katun ala mwa me enda when it was going through your mind I wasn't imagine funny enough kusia zi was my best friend at that time na nani only size 8 ya it was only only size 8 ya she was the one mwenye ni kuwa wotu ni ali kuji aga kani ni awi ngini ngini saza mindi onili enda sasa na ya na nani ngini aga kuenda kusia zi was only size 8 who came after me and a kapita kaisiya ee there was no other female artists that came after that akuna mwengini kulikwana mwengini wanya lukuja but mpa kasa izia wajya ok they are still pushing but a kuku break ee and then after that mi a donno I think sa zi nginotu sa mga ni kama medza wanya lukuja katuwa mma mojana ika hit toza mga duni God wazi juo aiyo nga ma ita hit but one zatua song i hit ama ika unge wukuta so nami onga tu wei toa mziki kali weo ujuwi ina ita toka ita toka tu na mimi goreza kuataka kutukusba brandia kwa ukulia geto jinaia kwa you know by zatua wanya ask that because so many people wana takakuja utu yungo mma moja hit hende it doesn't work like that honestly you don't know wana ita kuna fkarele song mi mimi kuna zile song nili bankia namanzez benizu aa kwa nzami bares tiku niki ni ambia hitu nili kwa na juo yungo ma nili ika do more 1.7 million a takua video na nini na nini and I bank yungo ma iji gonga wukuta evo aiku wenda maali atama kawala iji ifi kisha atata tikei views aiku wenda anywhere so you can so now it is for me I put it in my mind so after your song we'll switch back the way we used to operate back in the day wetwa mziki noma wetwa mziki noma you don't know kuna iila ita na mi ato nga ni ambia ratchi naka benda venye mihenda evo na 7 days a uri na I think a jua tenge fika apu ma nime fika size the way you know it's moving the reception that we're getting I didn't know ono wana kwa zasi yi kolabusini fanya kolabu piyana red sun and it took time I didn't move as fast as this one so na red sun bada ni brand bigi na you're telling fanya na yi kwa brand bigi sana so you never know when a song but also I would say one thing is also the artist that I worked with a kwa very cooperative yeah it depends so but just do what I say wakwa mutumpo a fanya mziki ya kwa trust in what you're doing believe in what you're doing put a team around you that believes in you and believes in what you're doing is of it to zingina ata to God a play Right Kelly Fraggots Exmission Kelly Fraggots kwa kwa kwa sakutaza joa kali most of the time people will tend to remember amma to associate Klemuwa and Joakali but I believe there are so many artists more or less took Kelly Fraggots with Kelly Fraggots he looks everywhere as a kwa usani in terms of Klemuwa Impata Jelafiako Joakali and other artists Joakali actually I will say with stage performance and mostly of almost I'll say like almost everything I know about music is what I learnt in Kali almost every mistake I don't make in music is what I learnt in Kali because I went with two years to look amma proto joa joa me, me size 8 ala C kuita C sinet kuatu na ndanga kuku katendrezia joa kali kwa shozake soot kanzaku lanku perform ni ni ni ni pia ku joa kia nda ata kama kuna tim na joa kia promoters anafa to treat my team should not be treated different than I am you know so I'm sinetik mi kastam tim yangu vibaya we treated equally treat pia watu munya kamsani vizuri una joa uskuja ya ni bihambo in the industry usukuena maringondogondogo zunye and then also the same thing focus on your music ya ni vituzile muimu zara ni me learn I learned from I'll say Kali for records because that's why I spent a lot of time and that's why I started from A so I'll say kulemona joined your impact ni ni kareangu sana pia media ku nishkamkono around your time it wasn't a must for him to do that but he did it al kwa shakwa jidakuba around that time na kua rijana kuli endaji so na mi nil kwa nmika apos itole mziki na mbibara ni som and yeah you're learning you're learning you're studying and then e monya niske yo song aka sema na yo song bidewa sua nili andi kwa nasana sana ipei tanda ali para niki strago apaka na mi I can help you so she wrote this is first verse and then ule mo ya bintiki ziwe aka kwa apo so everybody I felt so good when I was creating that song because big artist and me that I never your times idantu ule bintiki ziwe likuwa bigi sana sayo nimi bigi meja nimi bigi wasa nimi bigi wa tata me jingizona jadib kunza idea yungo ma mojaji wa me like kwa rasenya nimefa nimefa anya so yo ipei likuwa encouragement kwangu yo time so there was I'll say we had kitu moja si blaming kwa tu kwa industry sa easy awa tori ni ju I think we had what they don't have the mentorship the support kwa kwa sabu sezim wukimbiam sa nia panguoma kwa sa easy anata kwa tukwe zola enza kwa utazi skia by jio ni kwa maikwa yungo kwa kwa yungo kwa kwa enza kwa zi kwa kwa radio so but by that at the time we used to come together help each other and stuff like that so tulipata mentorship I got very good mentorship starting that's why I had to see luzingi up na mziki mimi mziki ee kuskuna time mba kwa piyo li struggle struggle palik get the ride kulipa rent ya niki anza apo ee ana ni kwa yendam baka kwa kwa rumingine lazmo kita kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa gate ee akuna bafu uno ge true up on dani so there was but sese na fili niki inanga li ocha kwa tumanze ni kwa na bedrumia kwa peke an akuna kwa kwa sa food akuna kwa kwa ya anything I wanna go back there but then I start thinking misim to kwa kwa give up onna and then I think it's kwa I grew up I'm the only girl in my family are four brothers and they are older than me apart from last month di omdogo so nili grob na I think na life ya boi kujita gemeya and buddhetu ilkwa isi vituza nyamunana pa sise ni muntua rata jitavtiya zake usya kwa kifregaitin ulaza kujitavtiya vituza kwa unona so we are not in mind so as much as I struggled mi ni kwa na juatuna takatu kwa niya mziki ata ni kwa fanya biesha na zingine lazma mziki kwa ikwa ee on di omuimu fast, fast, kwa yori ya because any surviving job julkuna fanya me bikuji support because I know sometimes family members kwa ta end kukutoka nazo your time will end kwa post na kura in pesa and then I used to also Oscar Alcat F2 your time na li po aza otatu tomana ju kwa 1500 ya ju kwa 1500 tomana jaitu aka li kwa time tom tom kwa niya metafuta nazo niya metafuta na piya ya na kulia kwa zam saya ya kwa niya slakasi around that time and then ba rewa siza ni kwa na fanya iso ma pro moza ma misoza kupa kwa pro moza majuwa kwa sample, sample una piwa dawa opa di su looku na pationga sa su una pata mebi in wala fanya na weekend meeting na zaka 2500 so ka na then nilipe fair na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na tu nilipe luku gan luku na gara apa kudego wewa damu jajwata kua na time nisha nasizet nkwa na nem dog an na nichekuli an kuka zasikina sii stake nji oniwa So, for our music video, should we cover kawahida? Kawahida toh ata, sazida maturenda maaili o something like that, but then we didn't have much. Sazida ita me sacrifice a lot for what, a lot in your life, like in terms of your music. No, we were best friends then. Now, I'll say then. Then I'm talking about them. Ya, but it wasn't to sacrifice, because I also did the same for her. So, I want to exchange. Nikivaikitu leo na ina kapua. Kama yo video, elgo meva adresi aung. Kwa baga niyo? Yo video tu na meja, yo niya mevaia blubu. So, that one is mine. So, I want to exchange. So, we were best friends, because atuna, orojo atuna. So, Nikivaikitu, ya, I want to exchange. I want to be different. So, I want to be better than her. So, kasi elivaile jana, juzi, sii me fuliwa. Sii elivaile juzi, sii me fuliwa, sasa to change. Ile, uragat. So, now we used to operate because we didn't have. Now, and we always hope that kumoja tutakua, na e ani, ni skumoja ntakuwa na viya tupe ambili, skumoja ntakuwa na nguozangu, nyesi ombimtu ntakuwa. We used to, then it was the most, the most thing that we even wished for. So, when I see her successful and she sees me, there's sometimes that she kasi utuna e mbe, na kumbe abado mazevile. Nase kia skoji utuajitika kia kumbe ukujuku kwa esu. Uku koke. Na kuna skoji utuajitika kina kumbe abado ukujuku kwa esu, ukuki. We grew apart, but it's not like ali ni contributed anything, I'll say. Mi mi actually contributed for her because mi nili mueka kwa video hangu. Actually, my video, my video hangu na meti nili mueka kwa sugar. Io ndi ali nda naya kwa audition ni sugar. And then after up on deka mpeleka pileka, nuitua kanza kona, your talent klemo pia kanza kona V2. And then they started taking us seriously. So I think I'll say to this idea. I look in front maybe to seeing Aguspel music joining Aguspel industry. When it comes to religion, I don't like to say, I would love to do a Aguspel song, but I don't want to just do music for the sake of doing music or doing Aguspel song because I say I want to make music Aguspel. Nataka hila de interfanya yong Aguspel kuna sababun na ni mei feel na ni fanya, see it ni mei endave nii. Kila mi na taku fanya sabua, boe isaid akuna doa jatua meuku. Ukuna doa wezi ama na jwa. Now, Kendi, back then things have changed. Na desu kuna digital streaming platforms, kuna YouTube, guys are having millions, one song, kuna one million view, umekua straw, najiwona. Back then, inyemi lukwa mnuchu kwa kaseti, mna ingiwa kwa matu zaisili, mna perele kia direk, konkodi, niajama zini chese. Leku muka jwa kaneli, I'll mention, kuna interview flaneli fanyam. They used to send their kagai. Mnuna jama lukwa kama viksenwa ule, lukwa niajama capital, anapanga, anapanga lift, na drop kaseti. See, things have changed. I don't know now, what do you see things from now? It's easier, kwa mnze, yo time, ili wena bidi, naku muka na tukiniye shewa injia, citizen tukini gojia atuwa, atuwa ketu mpa tia DVD, ame umekuja, umekuja, ehi, yo kitama zanti, this was a money sale, ma hiyo, this was my... Actually, even 10 years ago, it was like that. Even, I think, 9 years, it was like that. Tukwana perele kanga DVD zetu, na CD. Enesa, unajiwa nidati bob, na ingiwa isu DVD, so nuna hiyo dho. Nasa, nama hiyo dho me tia mbeya, auna atuwa feya, so nungo jia pwa kopi, nneza unama mbeza, nneza kopi niru dhisha, niru dhisha, sina ingiwa. So, kuna ule mo niya raku baliku kopi, na kuna ule mo niya raka tashita, kumiba ingiwa, nene. Enesa sa apa, nene isiwa nilwa atuja nga tape, man, tape ili kwa sosita. Ehi, hiya na sosita, unajiwa niya rido mob, una leta tape na niya utundiwa na raka hiyo tape. So, you have to bring your music. Buwe we mwenyewe upeleke, na kama DJ iswa streets feya, una na kama DJ iswa streets na DVDs na whatever, uke na uke, wa kopisha, uke wa kopisha. So, anyway, you want your music to go, you have to take it. Uzungu ke we mwenyewe, you have to take it by yourself. Na kuna mutu kutumana. Now, majina mbe tumse, nga mbe ya tasi kwa mbe ya mutu. Nisha tum, nga mbe, nisha tum, nga mbe, nga mbe YouTube ne. So, it's easier now, I say, to distribute music. The only thing is that now the kilatami kwa na disadvantage ya, the more it's easier to distribute music, the more it's easier to distribute nonsense, and people want more nonsense than they want good stuff. So, mna pata apa sasa sa izi frikshani kwa ni ufala? See, you have to care for good music. Ziki na ufala zina pilekana. So, apu na pata na, una pata, most people wadara kwa na ufala, mas zona yuya ufala na ita wuza for two weeks na imesha. So, Mr. Kizu, so una pata, badu kuna kuna challenges. No challenges. All right, Pia, with this digital platform, in revenue zime kwa hi, do you recall maybe your first show, the first cent you made, you performing not only as a curtain raiser, uma itua show, uma feel, uta lala, don't know the moment? Ili kwa mambom said, ah, kwanza ili kwa sprites. I went for a sprites tour. I remember ili kwa, nili kwa na ili kwa do mob, 25k wei wei. Heeey. That was, I say, 10, 2010 to, yeah, 2010 to 2011, and the 2012 up up here. So, then we went on tour, that was my first tour ever, ya kulipwa, ya kwa kakula open happiness, and then took a badu na ya sprites, kwa jis kia bebe, heeey. Musani, alafu.  So, nisha chkwa taksi yao? Ya, wana kwa shi, ah, sisa sisa, sisa sisa, ah, jya chkwa sisa, sisa kanda waka chkwa, sisa sisa. Kaba kina 15? Ah, 15 ah, I've been back in a 10. So, after, so there was other shows that came now, after Apple's Ganza Kukam, and then the Ganza's Pia Kujwa industry, then I also started, after Pia says ni kwa na band, ni kwa na stream ni ni, so I said kujwa kupeni ya kwa usanisi ma mbe kuteki miya true, ya events per kekaka, you have to figure out other ways, but before then, that was that, and then the other show that paid me, actually says uni Tuva, Tuva iyo mseto, mseto trua. So Pia iyo Tuva, pia lini li paga pwa, say Chris Kiro, Chris Kiro used to like me a lot, so he kwa kama kuna gigi, yo teta ni stage kubu adze, yata kama muni amini, ana ni ekapu kwa yo the stage, so there are people that, so there was, these are gigs li kwa fit.  I had myself with money, so I'm a cause of major, so yo iyo li enda sana, then nipe boy, na jimoat, and then now kukafreshi, yo enda sana nili skia, pwa sababu nili kwa peke hangu, na siku atasain, na label onini, nimanatumi enda, kwa upon me to angoma, na usfungu magazeti, na oni kwa kwa 2 pages, sijawambia oni, andi kwa reinewe kwa baz, na ito ma interviews, left, right and center, and I'm all by myself, at that time, I don't have a manager or anything, so, yo enda sana, enyapu nili nisa kwa feel, kuna, yo gini di kitu na fiyangara, nisi give up, kwa sababu. Na kuna kuna time I had support, and now I have support again, and I think kwa kia katufo kasi ako ma li nafa. In the summary of 2 words, your journey, since you started being your own, kendi, katoka kalef, kengi ako gopakidogo, katoka kaza kusma peke ako, baka sahi, summarizing 2 words. Music journey. My music journey, I'll say in one word, no, in 2 words, challenging, but upfu. Yeah. No, things may happen, a lot has happened. Uko kuma, blogs on Akwata, Papa Rise, everywhere, kendi anataanya hii, kendi anatrenda kifanya hii, I don't know now, your personal life, because kuna interest, because things happen, there were stories going around, kendi, ama step back, kidogo mziki, orona juliza me enda api, and if only in love, what was happening? No, actually, sometimes, it wasn't about, me, me mimi manoma. Me ma pezi nimbaya? Me ma pezi azi nifanya, nia chana mziki, ma pezi kifanya nia chana, mziki azi nia fahitwa chana hii. So, hii, aitwa chana mziki? Ata unipende, unipende, unipende, unif kisha uko kwa moon.  So, because that's, you're interfering with my job and you've met me as this person and you want me to change because of you, and I'm not asking you to change because of me. So I find that actually very disrespectful, fom tu kamao yoku ni ambia, so tu tachana true.  So, hii kuketa for you, I spent a lot of time in Meru as well, so I wasn't focusing. Ata si kwa na hii o psych, Pia kwa ntika mziki, kujifilata, I want to socialize with people una jwa. And then when I lost them, zotazili ni hit hard because I was close to both of them and then it was exactly the same month, the same, any one year apart. So, hii kwa ngumusana, so I had to take my time to heal and my management let me have my time to heal. Bange na taza, liya, biya taza. Rudi. And also I felt it's time to come back because anyway, for me, ata na jwa vile, miu jwa kuhil ni mziki. So I'll say, not bad and si e kupotea kupenda, ni kupotea jwa marila, hii kwa add court cases going on because of my financial business.  So I wasn't feeling anything positive that I want to sell to people. I was feeling sadness and pain and depression and I didn't want to sell that to anybody. How did you overcome all this? I jumped back into writing then I started going outside because I never wanted to go outside. I started socializing a little bit and then I had, like I said, I had a good support team around me. So I let them help because that that time I didn't want anybody around me. I didn't want, even now I've not completely come back to an extent that I want people around me as much. Even then they say, can you come say no? I'm fine. You don't have to, I've not completely opened up back completely but I'm stepping back into it now. Again. Any life lesson you learned during those times? That was kind of a kitu e zik fanyi kia. Because the things that were happening to me, I used to think they happened to other people. I was humbled by the fact that nobody is special in this world. See what I mean, bida dam na hi kitu nezakutam tiyote. So usi kaida raum tiyote mafkiri, you're too special that something will not come to you. Just be humble, be a good person, stay focused. Usi kaida raum tiyote, usi kaide kele am tiyote, jwana go through kitu yote because you don't know how tomorrow is going to be for you. So I will change the way I look at things. Yeah. Yeah. Because Nairobi ma beste watakona wezku zote. Just your form. When I lost my parents I was so surprised. My closest friends were the ones who were there but what was Shobiz I didn't have. I only had one person who showed up and then I Jagu also was there for me during my mum. But I'll say Shobiz the way I expected the people that I expected were my friends, the one there. So piyosika ite gimi I'll say son, kuna iletai mene you're always there for them, always there for them. So ata mi misquizi I'm still there for people but nimeji old back here the way I open my doors to everybody I stopped because nianza kuna she's around that time not everybody likes you and not everybody is with you because they they are happy for you. Kuna ala kuna kituan again oku around naere so there are those who actually they are just looking for your downfall there are those who are there to just put you in this other side knew when the wrong side so you got to be careful so nika jetu in Nairobi nia na munguako. Of course nerebo na zema skuzorti era fiki ni kazi yaa fiki ako ni kazi ako yaa fiki ako ni kazi ako a message to your friends I'll say that um God mad love for you you're the bosses but then my fans want you wa to genuine tatsa kabisa wa ali and the second one is ma fake friends aw ma fake friends ma fake friends wa again so na lupto aw kwa hende sena tai mi aw umpawa kwa nende leze umpawa angu eh so wa chan kwan bie wroja sila zi wadru wadru akwa nampawa kwa so mi am married to the game everyone is married to the game even mi am married to my microphone zunas you know anna zi bia toucha ewa I know your DM is very full so many prominent people young guys what is your type I know on my type for me driven you have to be driven with what you're doing usi kwe mdiskai usu kudia kukua orambi angoa you know your balloon nene na prepare ememdua na kudia tuwa na kwa kima kina wutatu yubalumi shuka tu chen na chin I don't like that kind of energy around me it has to be positive and then somewhere that we can sit and unna jami upe na gama tutu enyatun neza ena na e we can even sit at the restaurant tuonga for hours amat tuonga tuonga aib kuna chemistry vahib na tuonga avitu zina to say dia una ana you see like for me and Tita the way we worked wutu nasi ma gani kuna chemistry sana na ee tutu we would spend like deo tu atatu anti kei umziki tuonga kudia kitu kama saai baka na keshwa subutu kionga ag je umziki so na pata energy kama you around me so that I'm not saying don't don't don't take whatever it just imekuji atu apo as an example but I'll say energy for me the vibe supportive I support you you support me because at the end of the day as much as you have the outside support system your inner person is your Do you believe in love? I do and if I don't love you I wouldn't waste my time with you so me last buy yani gani akuna misita kani so na pana na ee kei na jihangu yawata yapa na skupendi do you hope to be love do love you to love someone both for me it's a two ways treat niki anza kufil ish ish I walk away very easily it's crazy things you may change you wanna say ma money is a lubricant in a in a relationship money is but it's it's both ways kwa sababa bupia usyenda kweki amtura inia ee pressure wukenda posu jwe ile doa kuna ee kumawata kumutua duet aftaw yu mo nyanapenda hawa trako yos time also I'll say the same when I said it don't trash chukwa tu levewa ee kwa desi kumuki enda dukwa kwa kwa kwa shop wone kuna anbagia 10k na kuna anbagia dao na wei levewa ee kwa ni dao wei chukwa yu anbagia dao a chana na mambia kwanza kungana kubagin for 10k nuna jia kuna villata chukwa from 10k to dao unona so kama dem unona udem ni level flan na misi ezi maintain achatuna ee kwa zata kusumbuwa na wei okuna uboe ee aizani na mimi don't waste muto yuwa wei nya usi waste time ya mutu wei nya buri ukuze tu kumtiting na kuma ee bisha wei nyananga kwa isi vitum ee bisha mutu kasi oh I bought for you this you are wearing that this for me no that's that's not love so I don't think money is everything kwa I think friendship miimi kama desi manganki olea alas money olea na best friend yang mutu maia tutakwa tu na gossip if you are not my best friend I am not going to desi ma kwa bishti yang desi ma ni kwa ni ki rudiyo na I am looking forward to come home no I don't want to come home because I know you are there or ni kwa excited ni ki jo unakuja place niko nusa zana kuja kudu odana okuna so when you marry your friend or when your friends with your with the person that is your person that's love for me you've done it before and know for sure highlight of your past relationship any moment you cherish you know no more desi are there I've dated for money what do you mean money no I I thought I liked the guy that I came to notice I just liked his money but I was I was maybe 23 or 24 kitambo and that was the most unhappiest relationship I've ever been in it was so unhappy and in any liku are the worst I bought you this I did that and I hate that you know and that's why he said me he says if you give me money we are dating we are doing this and this and that for me so I'll say juwatu kuji tege mea kadem nata ka boy ya ni uke na kwa dem usenda kwa dem mea kukum treat suji kama hei ni object ama kama hei ni I beg for you there is no I can treat you however I want ama dem na usenda pa ales juwati you have to do this from you have to do you are not entitled to that odana so I'll say you ni uke tunili learn to kasi ma pensi tu achan I'll say je pati ya depression bure ama kama muna naka truyo ya ni ni ya contract dating yo muambia na tu ba dem misk bendi mi ni kwa apa truju ya do kama fenya tu kuna mi I have one friend I can say and she tells me but then me I don't want a relationship but na zatua na pata na kilasa to ma kilasa ande we utakuna ni pati ya hi do it works for you no I'm my friend no it creates work for you no it can work for me I love myself too much and then me na kwa kama emotional na kwa nga attached very fast love language a kwa kwa zani gani gifts nothing by the way just companionship ya ni kwa tu be kwa zani kwa ambi ya kwa tu beshte an you see when you are my friends and then you just become kwa beshte wana pona ya ni na see ma beshte water ya ni kwa tu beshte an kwa lafutu elewa na lafutu kwa on the same page onona to kika kwa on the same page na tumeliwa na tumeliwa na kwa ma beshte it's very easy to date me by the way so I just need to be your friend but not just anybody it can be my friend we click onona jwa kuna elewa me click na amtru na kuna mga ita atpike ma sumasot ata fanya aje ubeshte me katat ya ni see ya ni ubeshte iko but no that kind of friendship you know kuna ubeshte an umane ni boy na tafili siyesu kuna kitu siyesu kwa ambi ya but kuna umo nge na kuna kira na tata si na breaks na na mombia tiba fituza na na information ata fai kujua but unam show na piya ya information ata fai kujua a na kwa ambi ya ilede ame skia ati ya kwa evi ubo ya na zakuja na ni boy ma boy a liya agi a zakuja a liya a na kujya kwa na na rupiwa na liya ata liya specific places kwa boy boy boy mua na ume si boy tuwa my softy softy wa squeezy boy mua na ume mu gumuka aere awa zili liya to just anybody uta kuna ule mutu mua ya uenilewa ati ya kwa heavy kuna ule de ma moa reba bunye na kwa unge lesha you can cry to that person and they won't judge you they either cry with you or support you or find a way to just make you feel better I believe one day you'll get someone you love I'm not to be loved I don't know I don't have now I didn't tell you I don't have I said I said I don't want to talk about it because maybe kuna fanpana nesataka kum date Right now, Kendi you've come back bigger and better, stronger like you never left before what is new, what is in store for us new techniques because mua una videos hitzako I look after my people like I told you muu make sure atua kujia videosangu they are fed, fair, paid kila mutu ako I don't take advantage of people so that's all unangakwa videosangu kila mutu ame jiton leya, aku na mutu ame kujia I'll leave one to mention yaa, ama umeku jomesta visya atua upo the entire day ata majiya ata zalton ata abzen, reba angora chips so you take care of them we even actually give them ocean what do you want to eat we don't care puna menu guys sometimes yaa, but then I look after my people it doesn't matter if you're just there for that day or you'll never be there again and then on top of that I make sure the directors we are working hand in hand to nangalia kila kitu vile naenda na management in a enclosed kila kitu and then with this my new management they're very no it's not new I've been with them since 2018 it's just that you know what I'm saying I'm going to break now the thing is they tell you they include me before you were excluded we're fine yaa we're in a studio in back and they'll let you shoot that's what I'm included do you want this do you want this do you like this how do you want us to go with it so because I'm included also I put my ideas in it so inakwa kuna ideas zao zangu so you know all these heads put together include now you include the director even the monyamete nge na zangoma kila mta kuna ideas ake ata awen ye kama na dancers you can do this you can do that and then I give them even time for reya so my videos you don't just show up for the video shoot kuna terapi aya kuh reya kama nida my manager will meet with them I don't meet with them ata meet na wao wa panga nekila kitu they will show us the clothes wa ta mo nyesha zili ngoze niwa na panga kujakuwa ama kama seza ii ingine my manager is also a stylist so na na shona from scratch so she her name is Joanne Matendeshere ana shona from scratch that video alisha na costume zote zoni wana yo video tuna tida all the costumes so na pata kuna izonini a nafanya from scratch so and then wanna fit before ngoze tu kuna zili a zi na kwa custom made not just for me even for the other artists doesn't matter if he's not signed in our label everything that ya nila zima kila kitu ii in the villa ii nafa wana wana and then that is planned tuna wana ample time ii aku plan na kila kitu kisha plani wa they all come as we don't have to because as nios I need to know for kwa different they all come together they show other outfit they see the director sees everything the location piawa nga liya so ni system naifu ii a villa ii nafa nyo and then now with the dancers they have to be choreographed and then my manager has to go and see and watch all of them do the choreography and stuff like that and check it and like na kia kwa na nitu miya what do you think about this atua huyo utua huya wezi huya naweza huya naweza chikua huyo it was just because I'm not there doesn't mean that I'm not following everything so by the time we are going to that video shoot kila kitu ii mefa nyoa ii vi na ii vi na ii vi na ii na ii na juli kana there's no mistakes happening that day aku na setbacks aku na anything in ii na atua tatfa niata mudi etu ishukia yosiko so I take my job very seriously so kuna eh so ma videos inakam big now before that we take on the upcoming projects the name of your song you're working with Chimichirian on a personal level in Tuenagani the white team oh rach rach what is the meaning of rach rach is a lower wide it means you see the way he says rach rach adandem so ni then I say bad adandem is the same so ni kama it is a bad adandem is rach is bad adandem but now ingoma atua je leo iskiza vases diote leo he say it na jisifu ama na jisifu again it's another artist it's a romantic song actually yeah it's a laugh song ni filena ma mamiya mi ni maamiya yee yee ni mnumokshinama boi wengineote ati ya ni mpaka urasukiya alasifu mpaka I can't say it or whatever tu zi skillia abokutone kwa mga umatwangali sindi yo alasifu mpaka body parts I'll say that yeah and then even me you know the way I'm saying you know so it's more over ati mi mi ya ni mi ni mnumokshinama demote so desa uranda rande uko laki na utapara demka mi mi na yee na uranda rande uko uta iupara kijadaka mi mi ono ana mi mi ni wulem say ama mi ni wule dem so it's not more over rasi akufanya matua feeling asa ni wengina feel as they are smaller than us no it's mi kumambia mi ni demunomokshinana ni boi munoma so uh working with him it was easy for me mi usama gamsani ya kipatiya management ya wu difficult time yo wapatiya ne but mi mi tu kwa kwa studio yo vibe kwa easy na iku e writing na yende very smooth and it went very smoothly with him he writes very first then kujetas kumina kuskiya bana aja new asa hidi akawa asa hidi akarudi eita akawa asa hidi and i like his commitment wasa ni wengina nga yo commitment ukiwakna usani ukshia fanyanengoma me shama liza am shoot video bas tida tana kubalimbaka kujia interview na mi mi zile si zote but kuna zile ata kujia unona nakam na mi mi wasa ni wengina they don't even post when you do a collab with them kus kungama siya aw kus kuna waliwa kwa po competition anona mi mbana nipushingoma na mi mi brand kiviangu onona ani hengoma mi fanyapam mojya as much as he kwa YouTube yangoma he kwa niyangu niye tukwa po siyote so hea me kwa ifa me value brand yake vizuru hene design enye he pushes the song as if it is his own song ana piya kwa kiyata kwa ndika liya ndika yo muzikini kama na ndika song yake na siyeti yana nga liya oh again this or that and that ya li fanyatru ele I want to do the yani I'm committed this track as much baka li kwa na pressure management yangu rafkiria nga ma niya ke vilano a pressure na a pressure tini pati e hini fanyatru hini na a pressure hini nga ma inafai kwa iivi pa liya kwa video shoot ana matatu ako dial water tida raja ni katuni yes so pa liya kwa video shoot ana matakilamutu ako down eni natsangamu siya kilamutu onona making sure everybody is comfortable everybody is happy ni ni ni ni ni ni ni kwa mi kwa feel free you know he was honestly around that you think it was projecte ke pekeak na nga fikili any projection eni nga kwa you to biak na niya kwa na na niyang na eni nga kwa to you to biyang ya so it wasn't it was I would work with him again again you mentioned something very important kama sigia kwa saya you've mentioned you say when you work with other artists they don't want to share the music they don't want to help you push they don't want to join in media tours we've seen our neighbors Tanzanium recently there's a big song I don't want to mention the name but we've seen big brands coming together singing together on one tune can we end up having this because before we used to see that happening now there is kila mutu na mzigu ya ke apa kenya sujui because people have become more graded and togetherness kila mutu anataka one uki end of any gomba vasia kwa incaliza hedi o kuna mo yataka sirika na e ni kichu ya ke miyandika ni akili ya ke miyandika o miyandika raya kukuna mo anyana jam kuna ule mo anyata fkiri ya o ya me lipo doming kutushinda o so there's too much gradient in the industry that I don't know but if they want they would isn't it if you took what was before onana isn't it if you took what was kuna nameless na kina juwa na kina wana ito aje wale madem waa lego mavesiga noma ee una get wali kuwato na kama pamoja wana fanya kitu pamoja zile if you took what was kwa wana kwa fanya kapiaza patriotic shows and stuff together people used to I wish people could do that more but kitu moja have noticed what do you again get what do you want to be a bianza kwa fanya yo kitu wana onana o a bianza kwa kama pamoja na onana mtu na kwa pamoja na umumumusani na na kuna nga nga maingine kusasisu weyo time kuna wakatikati sasa tata sisi kula aje sasa after sisi kuna ali kuja before again get on abondi o difficult kuna kwa agree they want to charge even for collab you've been asked money before ya me how much 250,000 does it make sense to pay 250,000 for collab actually the artist that have ever paid the highest for collab was not worth that money because aku pushata so you know nasnaya ku sema nani kwa zasta how much did you pay for the collab 250,000 I pay 250,000 was it it was a big petitionals what ya the expeditionals so high and also he had promised to do now you see like what Tida is doing he had promised to do that same thing but he never did it so kuna zingina see worth it but I would juang say as it kwa worth it wujimura nanda back out asha kula doi ake see any project too so ina ishaivo but other than that kuna wale ya kwa worth kulipo kuna wale it's not worth you know but zara sisi ki tupia I made mistake that time I never signed contract so tell artist when you're paying for something or when you're working with anybody have a contract it doesn't matter it doesn't matter come on a contract do you have a contract do you have a contract ya but this is on a US umja ulimulipa kwa ni mulia it's a process it's a process na pa umja ulimulipa ni kwa aneza nda seme ni empesa ni liku lipa but akuna malitu miyandiki yana na fani push muziki ya kwa unana ulimulipa ni kwa kongoma sinikwa kongoma ya kwa nikwa kwa video ya kwa kuna malitu li yandiki yana ni kupush ya sum so you understand so so I'll say just whatever you do just make sure you have your own contract ya yama pa tia umse ena msa mange is a contract kwa zizi contract nitu baro zina kujizuna aribia tiana ula payo contract uki ni pa tia 100 pages kumafini neski akuna nga kwa na tuli ni pa tia ta 20 pages miyuki pa tia 20 pages daka miya nenda naza omla ya umwa sum ya si saye nsa aii you know I'll go and read every word in that contract and I'll get somebody else to read it all of it before I sign it kwa zapondi una jingiza Kendi you've been the game you've started your own label you have your own musical label and then it is the right term you can say it as a CEO when it comes to split sheet how does it work because wasani uko sana apu atijui producer na on right yam ziki ako mutu onukandiki yam ziki yana on right personally I like to do to skuana conflict tu komuisha but if you're not able to una achan una ezaifanya na iwa na split sheet for me I like kulipa mutu tumali zana miyuki pa tia credit zako and I pay you for your job kama producer tumi malizana miyuki pa kama videographer tumi malizana nasi na dini ako na miyuki wambini pa tia do ya kwa yun na jouta kujaku ni dai yuku ba dai atiyo ya so we we work with contracts actually John is right John sorry I keep saying John John is my manager she's very shift when it comes to people signing those papers you know and then kuna zili anana ezafanya kama ubesh time pa tana gama imengi anafiti apu zama neza kwa na split sheet enya a kuna muyana lipi aki truingine but if I'm paying for everything then I'm and I'm paying you miyuki wa ufai kujaku ni dai ba dai so tunandiki yana split sheet is up to your agreement vile mo nyana spend more na nani nga mani ake so even vona juanga so it's a process but you have to know exactly na but again lasma mo handiki yana okay let's talk about your label the Laza Entertainment ya this label actually people don't know it never existed before me you know it started with me they they the Swedish the Swedish guys found me on stage performing with my life but in Halingam and they were there the entire night and they used to come now I had a show there with my band every Friday they used to be there every Friday and then one day they just called me and said we would like to work with you work with you as a brand are you signed anyway I said yeah I will sign that main switch then and they gave me a suit deal of course so I took it Pesa yeah and then I am part of also part of the company as well so I was initiating him so I knew her I knew her Niko na percentage the largest founders yeah I'm among the founders and I have a percentage ownership of the company so apart from apart from owning the my music big percentage I also own my brand a big percentage I also own Belazo a reasonable percentage that I should own so unless I'm secure there and in this year apart in Gakwansi ish 2, 4 letters anewengin and Danny but next year I think we got but he's gonna start seeing this year the artists that I'm introducing siyata su chuku and you are big actually I'm taking talented artists from kwaenu na skiyomza ni ni minoma mou na chikuwa anew then work with already established est kwaenu kwa labo pia una uke chikuata established una fahu chikuwa aingine anekani na ni ata fugu lianji ara me ni li chikuwa tru iwa na kulemo kama su juli kani una ona so it's got transfer effect una ona naka mamutu ni mkali na ni kwa kwae yongama of course ata ni ama mi ni mkali ni mkali amusa ni mkili mkubo aparte break yake una ona aparte break yake aparte break yake kama ataji push ni ni ni maa na trakuende liya I just don't like seeing good talent go to waste yeah but it's a pressure you're putting on your own because now upcoming artists most of them they are very impatient you know they don't understand mimi ni gona mimi ni gona shida moja uke zaka kwae na impatience suze nga kwae ma li nila lana nga kulemo pia kwae mu impatient anakwa mimi bia kwae ni ni wuji producee kwae nga kwae na mimi unona mimi, I'm taking we have a strategy that can help you if you feel my strategy is not good enough for you and it's too slow for you then just go somewhere else ini ofatuni me kupe I say to ni me kufos it's an offer that I've given you you don't have to take it it's not by force yeah all right now any media too is something coming up big concert street vibe we see you back at Karaoke doing your things yeah so we have media too of course going on we are here with you so at the moment that's what I'm focused on because of the new song also we're gonna have club tours I think I don't know if they're starting on Saturday I think John that's okay I'm so sorry some things I don't plan them natu mi anwa true zikisha planiwa natu mi wa natu mi wa everything iqiyapa moja so the calendar I know I know of some what we're supposed to do I just not know when exactly we're starting but I think maybe this coming weekend but I'm not sure but now once I know everything then I think we're gonna put everything kwa kwa pejezang watwa jwe ma lintakwa okay to your amazing funds your sisters your family everyone that have an impact life yako your management you may play a big role to your career media stations everyone a message to them Manzekitu reza wambia on di o bosses like I said wona jwa on di o naishimu ata wambia sante sanakwa the support and I hope not I hope I promise I will not disappoint you guys and I have no reason to take a break nili wambia by them management this time mina apia mziki hiwi tu kifeli ni ni? ni ni ni mi na kujakfanya kaziangu kamsa ni pia osu as much as I mean the management mi mi I want to focus on my music so I'll say apwa ma lintu na hindiya nipo wa na ma fans banzi msi choke kwa support msi choke kwa subscribe msi choke kwa push mziki and let's just take Kenya tutu e Kenya kwa kakakun Kenya tumedji eka kwa we can only do this kind of music that can only sisi peki eto ndi otu na eza enjoy mziki eto after tukusia tuka injia e boda itu akunam tumi yata kuske mziki eto let's support e mziki e nya ina tutua ina tofukisha boda oh boy chukresana ni meza kuzungum zana kendi kendi official ni vizuri zana atuwa chie zandani atu peile vocals ea utu kumusia zile day tukuna tuka klasu na kaidu kwa meza ono sema we e o marami wuy omsani nata katukwa introduzia so uti ee dance on they don't know they uti ee nise uti ea anusimanga ah mi na play you come in yem kendi amtaki yo tupizu tupizu tupizu ok ye come in yem ini kwa mampei na ituwa rach inu feyati dat ikopale youtube mstaza ni wagu zisha tukwa paskangu kwa wagu zendi ye come in yem kendi haa mi sita dan kandi wene ntachetara squeeze shiminie kedi nugol nuzi ye make sure yena fx kongeda sx like what am i bad e get sw- ok ah tupibasi tibiti mbili yama mamuja mbili oja nga nga wajaya kupen ili ee nyomu na pen nga ili ee utaka watu wapende ah sana wapia meje basi joku uremba maneno mengi mwa sema sema kuni usu bona mua jii uzisha na yale aya wa usu maneno mengi mwa sema sema kuni usu ah zoma taka yengine bonas ah zaa asi kora sundo yo bonas ah bonas ah zaa ee kuni nga wapende asi wapende asana inetwo don't rush yuna can slowly control it don't rush alright tumesa kusumumza na kendi official ametusumumzi ametu wambia janiyake ali hepa shule very inspirational saniyama mamu shikam kono baka lehuhi na merudi konye gem baka yukona lebo yake aji atu wambia usi yake nileni batu na tu wambia mahariyuki leta ina tkuliwa amabipi white wedding lazima ah shukran kuhitazama spm bars bolo kumitanda yake jamis kuzote mani fahamu kama silba kido mitanda yake kijami onok pata kama nani instagram official kendi kenya tik tok bida ni kwa umpiyo kwa inedimu support official kendi kenya and then youtube kendi kenya and then do your facebook now i think i think we have facebook now so official kendi kenya ya official kendi kenya alright that was kendi our Kenyans beyond sex kesimenshi apu


Ok, Okamoto, welcome. You've been talking on the recent panel about remorse from the Japanese point of view and the need for forgiveness from those who suffered from Japanese imperialism. Is this something which is going to take decades more? I mean how are relations developing between you, Korea and China? Well, we are envious that Germany is forgiven not only in Europe or it seems almost globally whereas we did essentially the same with Germany but are not accepted by our neighbors. I wanted to say that Japan has been apologizing. It will apologize more if need be but there has to be forgiveness on the other part which is not given. Why do you think that is? Emotional embitterment and also rising nationalism in China and Korea does not permit their leaders to make an easy compromise and sometimes this issue is needed for their domestic political reasons and also on our part we need to do the educational reform to teach our kids more about what we did. I mean your generation knows but are you saying that the younger generation doesn't know? It's something not their grandfathers did but their great grandfathers or great great grandfathers so they are quite ignorant about our deeds during the war and that is what the government must supplement and we are going to change our curriculum of history to teach more about modern history to children and students. Do you feel that the WPC, the World Policy Conference has a role to play in resolving these tensions? Very much so. Japan and China, Japan and Korea cannot solve the issues through bilateral talks and negotiations. There has to be someone, United States or even better WPC. There is an objective so-called third tracker forum to intervene and talk to us and them because you know it is going to be a zero-sum game of discussion, zero-sum discussion if Japan and China only talks to each other. There has to be an empire and we need a positive sum game. That's right. Thank you very, very much. Thank you.