So, what's going on everyone? Sam here with late in sports cards, ripping 10 box Tuesdays, 10 box Chrome threads, baseball mixer number 140, random team style, here's a looking at your random results. As always you can find these on the website under the results tab as well as the link in chat. Good luck everybody. Let's do it. Let me open this up. Make sure we got all the boxes. Here we go. Start with, start with pristine. World cup eminence, that's going to be so much fun. We have breaks for that list that already. World cup eminence. Oh really? Yeah. We got that listed already. That'll probably be a forest thing after you imagine. Yeah. Alright. First, inner pack. Got refractors. We got three refractors. Anthony Rendon, Joey Wendell, and Corey Seed. That's the first time I think I've ever seen that. Louise Heelrookie, base. There's a Mike Schmidt, I mean number 41 out of 75 for the Phillies. Quad case as well, how'd you thinkin'? There you go Paul. Again guys, we got to get contender's optic filled up. Basketball, pick your team style. Teams are on sale now. Come on, drop a link for that really quick. Which one? Contender's optic, yes sir. Hugh Darvish. Purple hole, Paul Gulchman, the MVP to 99. Sammy Sosa. There's Emmanuel Rivera, Rookie for the Royals, not number 11. 11 teams to go. Like I said, teams are marked down. Teams are on sale. Breaking soon. Tyler Gilbert, refractor, Rookie for the Diamondbacks. Joe Gallo. Orange, Starling Marte, 23 out of 25. Just Saturday and Sunday, Snack, that's it. I don't even know if we have New Year's Eve off. I thought there was something we did. We might honestly. I have no idea. Mike Moustakis, Adoles Garcia. Bass, first auto. It's gonna be going to the Orioles, that's Tre Mancini on the popular demand, not number. Oh that's so tough Nick. Second most points in your league and you're playing the 11th place game this season. Oh no. Oh no. You're out. And another Tre Mancini popular demand. Nice one there, not numbered on the Jersey Art. So he's like, oh I think we just go to the last because of that. So we'll tighten it up. Each year out. There's a J-Ram, nice one there. Not numbered. Honestly, feels like it's Spencer. Feels like it. Oh yeah, that's tough. Francisco Lindor. There's Purple Joe Adelph and 99 for the Angels. That's good. It's like your main one. I don't know who I'm playing this week. There's Blue, Randy Arroz and Reina, 11 out of 75. Alright let's do 22 Mosaic Choice. Let's start with your Variation Rookies. They're gonna be Brandon Marsh and Spencer Torkelson. Pretty solid actually. Nice one there. Well as your Mosaic Exclusives, AJ Alexi, not numbered and Joe Ross also not numbered. Mosaic Exclusives. We've got Silver Trevor Rodgers, Mosaic Rookie Jose Ciri, the Astros. Two Autos are gonna be Jaren Durand for the Red Sox, not numbered. And Nick Alguier, going to the Royals. Or no, going to the Blue Jays. Sorry, Blue Jays. Congrats on those two. Let's do the Optic Choice now. We'll do some Pops Carole after. Gabriel Arias Rookie. Cards off the back. We've got Josiah Gray to 99. That's Cody Bellinger to 99. Charlie Blackman to 99. Nice. J-Rod, 5 of 25. There you go Steve. Congrats buddy. On the Stars and Stripes, that's awesome. Nice J-Rod Rookie. Could just throw this in the recap. And Brandon Marsh to 46 on the Liberty. Nice one there. Really good at Fox so far. Got Chad McCormick. Ready to Rookie Hollow. Thank you Maggie. Matt Verling to 99 is going to be for the Phillies. TJ Friedel to 99 for the Reds. And Camilo Doe to 99. Yeah, dropping all of them now. Pops Carole on the Hobby next. One box of 2022 Pops Carole on the Hobby. We'll do the Silver Pack after as well. There's Yachty on the Prism for the Cardinals. Clayton Kershaw, Prism for the Dodgers. Jerinderan Rookie. JD, Francisco Lindor. Shane Baas, Rookie. There he is. Nice one there Steve. Congrats buddy. Wanderfranco, Refractor, Rookie. Nice one there for the Rays. Cedric Mullins. Sean's dropping guys a link again to Panini Contender's Optic. Ten to go now. Thank you guys. Some nicer bigger teams are on sale and then there's some more expensive teams that are available as well. Shane Baas, Refractor, Rookie. Jose Ciri. More 10 bucks. Tuesdays came in. Awesome. Michael Jordan. Go right. Zach Pleasac to 2.99 for the Guardians on the Purple Spackle Auto. I failed that verse. Seriously. You still want me out? Yeah, you got me out there. Swig of that out.  I don't know why he hit me. It's like sleepy time. Yeah, I did see that fall. That's a little bit of an improvement. Now we have Sammy Watkins and Dishon Jackson on our team. Good God man. It'd be really cool if it was like 2015. Michael Brantley Prism. Luis Garcia. Koby Koby. Michael Shremsky. Ooh, Orange. Is Yorda Alvarez. Orange Wave. 14 out of 25. Nice one there, Astros. Houston. Kyle T. Congrats man. Get all that in the recap. That was mean. Jose Ramirez. 3.99 on the Magenta. Trey Amberjay. Rookie refractor. Did you see him walking around there? Where? I've caught a new chief dog. Like a big baby penguin. Swiggin. Scorchin. Sweet red base. Slatter egg. IKF. Do you get like massive sunburn in the outside? Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes. Jan Moncada. Jake Berger. We should have one more auto in here as well. My neighbor's two old grandparents. Ooh, redemption. Uh oh. Sorry, Shawn. No, no, no. Got rookie autograph. Uh, Hunter Green. Going to the Reds. Congrats, Sincey. Nice one there. David G. Hunter Green redemption. Take that. Not numbered. And what they got to do with sunburn. Yeah, they had family that would come down with sunburns. Oh boy. Refractor Chas McCormick. I can imagine that. Zach Wheeler. All right, that'll do it for Topskin Home Hobby. Let's do the silver pack really quick for Topskin Home Hobby so we can get something cool. Tim Shrossberg. Tim Anderson. Nothing of no-do. Fanatics under wraps assigned baseball next. Oh wow. This is kind of wild actually. This is one that changed as of literally like two days ago. This is uh, since he just signed somewhere else in free agency. This is going to go to the Dodgers. JD Martinez. JD Martinez is now a Los Angeles Dodger. Nice one there. Congrats, L.I. Those balls, they go to current team. All right, let's do, uh, do Bowman Chrome Hobby next. So much pain, Von goes. 22 Bowman Chrome Hobby. Bunch of spots coming in. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bunch of spots coming in. Marco Luciano. That is Canary Yellow, 275 for the Giants. Cooling Freeze and Alarm. We had a Cooling Freeze and Alarm. I need someone to write an email to Rich on that. Drew Baker. First auto for the race. Put Urgent Urgent Urgent. Guero Zagmin. Well, what kind of soda do you want, then? I wrote it down. You asked me, too. Lonnie White Shimmer. That's the thing. Wanda Franco Rookie and base. All right, onto the second mini box. Then we'll go into some Top's Chrome Jumbo. And we'll go TC Black and finish with two trip threads. White Speckle Lura to 299. He's gonna eat stuff with his hands again.  Make sure everyone who pulls him calls him Cooling Freeze and Alarm. Thank you. Thank you, Ed. There's Colin Burns. Orioles.  Thank you, Ed. Ed, we're supposed to be voice. Nice. You don't want to hear that, Ed. What's going on, Lonnie? It's just a sad sight. Did he show up or no? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he means to get back out of the court. You know what I'm saying? Like, cranking.  I'm gonna do it. Don't worry about it, man. It's no fun. Yeah. But, dude, give him a base. You can just talk. Give him a few rounds. Oh, yeah. Dial it back in, kid. All right, let me do this really quick. Oh, man. Seven to go on Contender's Optic, guys. Seven teams to go on sale as well. I can work with that. All right, let's do Top Scrum Jumbo now. Ooh, I don't know about that. Yeah, no. I don't know about that. No, no. What do you guys call cold in Florida? Like 60 degrees? Yeah. I'll have my heat cranking and I will have a like a sweatshirt on in my apartment if it's like under 65 degrees outside. And I'll be like shivering. What was it? I went in my, I got home two nights ago or something. It was 58 degrees in the house. Got that. Nicholas. There's Kevin Gaussman. Uh, Tariq Scoobal. Nice one there for the Tigers. Ray Maltappia. Yeah, I was going to Massachusetts this weekend. Where's Ed? Ed, you're from Jersey, right? I think that's where Ed's from. Yeah, it's going to be cold there, man. Oh, man, though. Got Mason Thompson. Nice one there. That's going to be to 199. What's up, Andrew? Of negative 30, Spencer. Holy cow, dude. Oh my God. Why would people want to live there? Someone said it's going to be negative 12, Winchell in Missouri the next few days. Oh my goodness. Cold in Philly as well. Philly's northern enough, though, where that kind of makes sense. Yeah, man, that's, I don't know how y'all can live like that. Matt Manning for the rookie prism. Patrick Wisden felt like negative 18.  I don't want nothing to do with none of that. There you go. OG's like it's going to be 80 in SoCal. That a boy. There you go. Ernie Clement on the refractive. Yeah, man, it's supposed to be cold. Oh, oh. Yeah, honestly. Ian Hap. We've got Joe Musgrove on the purple auto for the Padres to 250. That piece. Christmas is supposed to feel like negative 40. Oh my God. Someone says 65 in Arizona. That's nice. Riley Adams, negative. Wander rookie. Rhys Hoskins. Yeah, they all get, they all get shipped out to their given team. So any, any judge or goldschmidt will all get shipped out to the Cardinals in the Yankee spot. Everybody will get their, their buybacks. Purple mookie bats. Nice. It's a 250 for the Dodgers. John Gray. Zach Popp refractor rookie. Edward Cabrera to 199. You like the, you like the gold packages? That's true. Swamp donkey goes 34 in Boston. I would complain, but these other temperatures are much worse. Swamp donkey, I'll see you this weekend. I'm heading up. I'm going to kick you out. Is there a brave Matt Veerling rookie auto for the Phillies? Casey Meiss. John Colo Stanton. Francisco Perez, rookie auto. Nice one there for the Nationals. And Trent Grisham. Oh, great. That's one of those guys. Yeah, Friday the highest, 59. Then Saturday it's the 26th. Oh yeah. Bring your winter hat and your gloves. That's flip-flops and a sweater. Oh, I have nothing. You'll be freezing. Jake Cronenworth for the Padres prism. Jared Kalmick refractor. Best of a doctor. Yeah, there you go. That's dangerous for the Gators, man. That gold. Yeah. Alex and Joe Adele. There's plenty of them, so it's not a deal. Yeah, honestly. There's plenty. To our silver pack, Jared Durand and Raphael Devers, nothing there. One box of 22 topscrone black. And we got two trip threads after that. Baby. Joe Ryan, rookie. Green atomic, Manny Machado, 42 out of 99. Auto is going to be Bo Jackson. Wow, going to the Royals. There we go, KC. That's awesome, man. Royals, Kat. Hey, there you go, Kat. It's Bo Nose. That's cool, man. Didn't know he was in the checklist. Sweet. All right, now we've got two 2022 triple threads. Triple threads. Alex Pregnant 150 for the Astros and Gold Raphael Devers, 99. Oh, wow. It's Torkelson. Holy cow, guys. We got a one of one. Going to Aaron S with the Giants. How about a Wood Buster Posey? Boom. Game used. Look at the patches on that, man. Holy cow. One of one Buster Posey in a two box mixer. Dude, that's awesome right there. That's so sick. We'll get that. We'll get that mag right away. That's insane. That's an insane card. You're done to 38 or 36. I was going to say, I know Tony would like that one right there. Tony Mack will like that one. Tony. That patch is insane on that thing. O'Neill Cruz to 150. Eloy to 50 on the Ox. Yachta. There's Jonathan India. Eight out of 27. Game used for the Reds. And Brandon Lau, 11 out of 25. Nice one there for the race. So sick. Just thinking about it. Ichiro to 259. And Jerren Durand to 299. I kind of agree with that one. I do miss watching Buster Posey. Base. Base. Base. Nice one there. It's going to be Joey Votto, 25 out of 36. Nice one there. It's got part of the Camo jersey on there. We got Rookie Otto Rondzi Contreras, 90 out of 199 for Pirates. Congrats, Bitterroot. Checkmate to Grom to 259. Nolan Aronado to 299. Got Redemption. Base. Base. Base. Got for the Cardinals. Triple Threads, Autograph, Relic Card, Amber Parallel. Nolan Aronado. Congrats, Brandon. Brandon on. And Randy Orozarena, 36 out of 36. Nice one there. I'll do it for the break, guys. Do a quick recap for you. Nolan Aronado for the Cardinals. We've got Rondzi Contreras, Pirates. Brandon Lau for the Rays. Francisco Perez Nationals. Matt Veerling-Fillies. Jill Musgrove Padres. Mason Thompson Nationals. Tariq Skubal for the Tigers. That's going to be Colin Burns Orioles. Drew Baker Rays. Orange Yordan. Nice one there for the Astros. Purple Zac Plisac for the Guardians. Matt Veerling for the Phillies. TJ Friedel-Reds. Camilla Dove. All Giants. Jaren Durand-Red Sox. Nick Allgaier for the Blue Jays. Trey Mancini going to the Orioles. Hunter Green-Reds. Trey Mancini-Orioles. Jose Ramirez-Guardians. Bo Jackson for the Royals. Two Mag Cards. We had a Julio Rodriguez numbered 5 of 25. Nice J-Rod for the Mariners.  That'll do it for the break, guys. Thanks again for the fill. Next up, we've got basketball.


The following is a presentation of TFNN. Trade what you see with Larry Pezzavento. All now toll free at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. Now Larry Pezzavento. Okay, looking good, Billy Ray feeling good, Lewis. I posted a chart or a little couple of paragraphs here from a book called The Golf is Not a Perfect Game. It's from Rich Anderson. And the reason why I brought it up, it talks about, you know, basically it's the person that plays golf that makes the fewest mistakes. It's the same thing in trading. You wanna make as few mistakes as possible. It's not the amount of money that you win. It's the amount of money that you don't lose. You don't wanna get caught in always, you know, shooting from the, what do they call those things? The, not the fairway, but the things behind it. I don't know, I'm not a very good golfer. I actually am a good golfer. I'm a two handicapper. I have a trouble with the long game, the short game and the mental game. Let's move on here to just a little bit about this losers game stuff. Tom Hougard wrote an article called The Best Loser Wins. Oh my gosh, about a year ago. And it's probably the best article I have read in a long time. Those of you that have not seen that article, if you drop me an email larrypesevento at gmail.com, I'll send it on to you because it's really, really good.  So that's a good thing. But if you do want that, well, you know what I'll do today, you know, I think I could post this into the room, I guess at the break, that's what I'll do. I'll post the article into the room and then you'll have it there. Those of you that are not in the room that are listening and you'd like to have it, just email me larrypesevento at gmail.com, include the $500 check and I will get it out to you just as soon as possible. Well, okay, you can forego the check. Speaking of Tom Hougard, I wanted to show you something that he was working on today on his, in his telegraph room. I want to get this up here to show you people we're talking about, you know, pattern recognition and let's get up here. Yeah, Mr. Z, you're in a class by yourself, Bubba, that's for sure. Let's take a look here. This is a chart he was looking at. You see how he, on the first bottom down there, there was absolutely no reason to think that could be a major bottom. But look, the second time he came down, you had a double bottom. So that's an effective pattern and that's exactly what you want to be looking for. Find the little edge that works for you. That's basically the bottom line of what we're watching. Tomorrow we're going to have Stan Harley as our guest. Remember we had Tim Boss on Monday, which was yesterday. Boy, that's a big mathematical improvement, isn't it? Anyway, Tim said that he thought the market was getting ready to go turn around here. Either today, I think today was the last day. This is the 23rd or 24th. Tomorrow's the anniversary of the big top in 1987, which led to the largest down day in the history of the stock market. We were down 16%, 500 at some points on October 19th. The next day we made us lower low by just a few ticks. It was the major bottom of that decade, exactly at 61.8% of the low from August of 1982. And we have been going up ever since and we have continued to go up ever since. Now, let's take a look at a couple of charts that we're following very, very closely. First of all, we had a very strong buy signal in corn the other day. I wanted to bring this up here and show you where we were. We went right down to that level. We took out the lows of July, just like we thought we would by just about a penny. The buy was at 5.30. We're now 15 cents higher in the corn. So hang on, we're looking for at least 30 cents in that. So it's got to get up to around that 5.60 level before we want to take profits. What we're doing now is we're managing our risk. We've got it lined up, so we don't have to risk very much at all. Now, here is one from yesterday that we were looking at very, very closely. We focused on it in the video over the weekend and we'll be able to see that.  Here is the crude oil chart. Made a perfect ABCD down there at 6205. The low was 61.86. And today we've had a very, very strong rally. In fact, what we were doing here is we were taking profits in this because it came up a little too fast. It might go a lot higher, folks, but we went up to the 382 retracement there at 67.42. We were expecting to take the profits in that crude oil because that's a big move, folks. Six grand in two days. You just don't see that very often. Might be getting out of it too soon, but you got to go to the... You got to dance with the girl that brings you to the dance and that 382 has brought us to a lot of dances and we certainly want to keep that going. Another one that looks really good, still working well, is the silver. We'll take a look here. We had that 61% retracement down there at the 2290. We're now trading up around 2390 and a little bit more to the upside. If we can get it above 24, we'll be looking at around $25 an ounce or 2480, something like that. Gold's taken out the 78% level at 812. That's just going sideways right now. It's very strange in gold to see a market that does this. Let's get this up here. Well, I don't have the gold. I have to do that one a little bit later. Sorry, boys and girls. Anyway, that's another one. We're looking at the euros working relatively well. So if you're in that one, put your stop at break even. So you have the corn euro, the corn euro, silver and corn. Corn, euro and silver, the crude oil is gone. We've taken profits in the crude oil. Now let's take a look here at Apple. We talked about this yesterday because I wanted to bring it up to your attention. Here is Apple on the half hour chart. Now you'll notice up there, the 78% level, the ABCD is up around 150. The high today I believe was 150.15. That's what it was earlier. I don't know what it was. The last I saw, it was trading under 150, around 149 and change. So there's a place where you have a really good place to handle your risk there because if it gets much above that 78% level, it tells you, and I mean by just a dollar. So it should be the high the day and Apple should be no higher than one. Just gonna do it. 150, I was gonna say 150.60. And Danny just told us the high was 150.86. And I believe the last price was 149 and change. I'm not exactly sure what that is, but that's all about focusing on the risk folks. That's the whole thing of looking at the patterns. They're for risk control, no more, no less. 149.87, so that's about right on the Apple. Any move above 151 now will tell you that Apple's gonna go up and make another new high and we could continue going higher for quite some time. That's the main thing that we wanna be looking at. When we come to the break, I wanna review some of the things that I learned from Mark Douglas when he was writing the book Trading in the Zone here in my office during 1996, 97, and 98. And I think that you'll enjoy some of these. So we've covered them before, but they're worth covering them again. The reason why I'm doing that is I had a gentleman called yesterday that was a fan of Mark. He didn't know that Mark had passed away five years ago, but he said, gee, that guy was really smart.  And he started out wanting to be a trader. He hasn't really traded yet. And believe it or not, he started with a disciplined trader and trading in the zone. I said, you got a good start here, Bubba. We'll be right back.<PHONE_NUMBER>. Markets can rise and fall like the tides. Subscribe to Basel Chapman's newsletter, the opening call. And you too can ride the wave. Basel Chapman is an authority in technical analysis. 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The only reason I said that was because it was clearing the 61% retracement and it had no way of knowing what high was going to be. But if you did the 1.6-8 expansion, that was at least going to take you to 44-70. We got to 44-93 last night. That was because China came out right before the opening in Hong Kong and said something about their lightening up a little bit on the Chinese stocks and stuff, whatever the comment was, I don't know. But it caused the market to jump up quite a bit in Hong Kong and then also quite a bit in China, and that's when we had the 10-handle run in the A-mini from 44-43 to 43-93. That's how we did it. This was all brought on, folks, by what was happening on Friday in the Hang Seng Index. I want to bring this up. You'll notice here on Friday, we've talked about this before. I sent a video out about it, but you'll notice we got down to 24,600 on Friday, but we closed at 24,850. We rallied 250 points in the last hour. Folks, bear markets do not act like that. That was telling you to be careful because that could be a false breakout to the downside and we've got all the way up to 26,000 already in just a couple of days. So we rallied 1,200 points in the Hang Seng and the Chinese market has rallied too and we've been tagging along because these markets, everybody that's in these markets are watching what's going on and that's what happens.  But let's take a look at something that we always like and that's Mark's favorite pattern of all. AB equals CD. AB equals CD. That's all you need. That's all we always used to say. Taken here is Dow Jones industrial average. This is the average, not the E-mini. I want you to go back to the 21st of June. You'll see we had an A point there. The B point on the 16th of July, the 19th of July we had a 78% retracement. Then we had an ABCD pattern measuring to 35,561. The high on the Dow Jones industrial index so far has been 35,612. I don't know how you can make this up, folks, because that's pretty good. Now, we had a sharp down move to the 50% retracement. That was on Thursday. Then we had the rally up yesterday and it went right up to the 78% retracement. Just spot on and now that means that we have a possible divergence here because the others went into new high ground but the Dow Jones didn't. Remember, this is a market of stocks. When you're dealing with the Dow Jones, you're dealing with about 15 of the 30 stocks. The rest of them are too low priced. The NASDAQ, of course, out of 100, you're looking at about 15 or 20. And the S&P 500, you're probably looking at about 40 or 50. So you figure there's about 100 stocks out there that are running the other 8,000. That's why you've got to be extremely careful, folks. It's a market of stocks and a stock market. You have to define what you're looking at as you're watching these things unfold. But if you'll look at that Dow Jones chart for just a minute, let's just look what ABCD means. Not only do we have the ABCD leg matching perfectly in price, if you'll defy human nature and do the work yourself, count the number of bars in the ABC leg and then take it a step farther and count the number of bars in the CD leg. Voila! It's the same number. That means price and time are coming together. This is what Mr. Gann talked about when he talked about squaring price and time. So let's keep in mind that that's what we're looking at right here. Someone's asked the question, do I think gold has made a major bottom? I don't think there's any question about it, folks. We went from 1675. We've rallied over $100 an ounce now. We're about $140 an ounce. That tells us that something has certainly happened. We happen to be long and silver. That's still acting okay. I think there has been a pretty big low made there in the silver market. That's my two cents' worth. I hope that understands what we're looking at for today. But that's the main thing of watching this. When you see that perfect ABCD structure, you have to pay attention to it.  You could sell the retracement back because it's taken three days to make a 78% retracement. So we're going to know here today or two whether this is going to be correct or not. Just like we were looking at Apple, we're assuming that these patterns are going to be working about 60%, 65%, let's call it 61% of the time. And the other part of the time, you're going to have a couple of break-evens and a couple of losses. That's what you want to be watching for sure. So that's what we're paying attention to here as we look at these today. When we come up to the break, I'm going to be talking about the four major fears that everybody in the room has been posting already. Fear of missing out, fear of being wrong, fear of losing money, and the fear of leaving money on the table. Folks, every one of those darn things, you better get used to because they are the essence of why we trade. And there are no reason to be afraid of them. Fear means false evidence appearing real. That was from Mr. Anthony Robbins, and I still believe that he had it spot-on as we were looking at. Someone's asked a question about the crude oil. I've got this up here. I want to be the question was, why get out of the crude oil when it's acting so strong? Like I just said, the reason was we completed the ABCD. We had the 382 retracement up here at 6750. I don't know what the high was today, but 6750 was the 382 of that whole move. And that tells us that we want to be able to at least book some big profits. That's a big profit, folks. However, if you went back into July and bought that low at the 78% level, it moved $9,000 before it turned down. Now, maybe this is going to be one of those, but if it is, what I'll be watching for is I'll go down to a 15-minute chart or half-hour chart, and I'll look for a pullback if I get one. If I don't get one, I have to be happy with what I have. I move on, start focusing on the euro, start focusing on the corn, start focusing on the other trade that we have. So we have silver corn and what was the other one? Silver corn and the euro. Those are the ones that we want to be watching. So that's pretty much how I try to handle things. And this is unusual because we had four trades on. And so we're lightening up today and seeing what's going on to what is moving on. Okay, we're going to have a break here pretty soon. Someone's asked a question about Apple again. I'll bring the Apple chart up. It's the one I did late last night because I, yesterday, because I assumed that we were, hold on one second.  Let's get this up here again. I was assuming that ABCD completed up there at about one, just about 150, but the 78% level was a little higher. That's why I wanted to see it. Now, it got all the way up to 5080, 15080, which is about 80 cents higher than the 78% level, but it immediately came down. It just didn't stay long above that. 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Get your copy of The Art of Timing the Trade Shards today by visiting TFNN.com Just click the Think or Swim banner on the front page of TFNN.com Okay, folks, I want to go over some of the things that I've learned from Mark Douglas over the years. I mean, I've learned them firsthand. I met him in 83 in a compitrack seminar in Las Vegas, and I think I've mentioned this before, but I was talking to him and Larry Williams was standing there. He was giving a speech at that compitrack and I was still a member at the Merck and I came out to Las Vegas with Byron so we could have a little bit of fun playing some poker and listening to a couple of lectures and stuff. And I told Mark I was interested in listening to his lecture and he said, you don't want to hear me. And I said, why? He said, I want you to go into that lecture over there. He said, spend your time over there. So I didn't know what it was. I went over and it was John Bradford. He was a motivational speaker and his specialty I guess was abuse. And so I go into a room and there's about 200 people in the room. 90% of them were women. There were only about 5 or 10% of the people were men and I said, oh, dear, what am I going to do? I saw boxes of Kleenex everywhere. Anyway, I said through the first half of the day, it cost me 100 bucks. I said through the first half of it and it was so intense that man, I tell you, I didn't realize how lucky I was. These people really had some serious problems. When I got back, I asked him, I said, why did you send me there? He said, for two reasons. One is, is you don't realize how lucky you are at times. And I said, yeah, I always feel that way. And he said, well, just remember it. Not everybody is as lucky as you are. So you have to remember that and be thankful for it. And I certainly was later on, two years later when I met Anthony Robbins, you know, I got there the quote, live every day in an attitude of gratitude and which I certainly do. And I have been blessed and I do try to pass it on. But after I had this meeting with Mark, actually he was getting married that weekend too. He and Paula got married and so I attended the wedding and then later on when we went back to Chicago, we started hanging out. And what he had been, he had been with Merrill Lynch for a while and Merrill Lynch had given him the accounts of over 10,000 people to study what they had done wrong. And so he had done a huge amount of work. I mean statistically looked at every single group of traders, the size of the account, how long they've been trading, all that kind of stuff. And basically it came out to the point that about 80% of new traders will lose money. Now, those that stick with it over a period of time, whether it's two years, three years, five years or whatever it is, they'll eventually stop making the mistakes that got them into trouble and they will be profitable. Many people, they try it for a while and they just never come back but a lot of people do and that's happened to be one of those and so was Mr. Z and so was David and so was Basil and so was the two Tommies. I mean everybody's done this so that's what it was all about is learning what you had done wrong. He had found out that the key reason why people lost in these Merrill Lynch accounts was the two reasons, they're the same reason, it's really strange. First of all they used two tie to stops, that was the main reason. The second group that lost didn't use stops at all. It was all related to the risk that they were taking. They didn't know what the risk was and that's the whole thing is to focus on the amount of risk that you're taking because you don't know which ones are going to work. Nobody knows that so that was the real key for me. I mean, look at all these statistics. I said so many of these people lose because they don't put stops in and the other people lose because they do put stops in. So you've got to find a place where you can figure out what you're looking at. Now this led to when he was writing the book, The Disciplinator it led to the major fears, the four major fears. The fear of being wrong the fear of losing money the fear of missing out and the fear of leaving money on the table. Now Mark interviewed probably over the three years that he wrote that book here. He interviewed at least 35 or 40 really big time traders that came here to be interviewed by Tom or by Mark and so he would invite him out here and we would spend a couple days and interviewing and trading and stuff and he would get a few feedback and believe it or not the number one thing that these super these guys are really many of them are quite famous. What they did was really really amazing of those four fears I was shocked when I figured it out what they said and there was almost to the man their biggest fear was leaving money on the table and to me that was a real surprise because the only way you can't leave money on the table is if you get the high tick or the low tick so stop and think about that. That is really serious. I mean silly because the fear of leaving money on the table means that if you don't get the high tick or the low tick you're going to leave money on the table and that's normal that's like breathing so scratch that one off the list the second one is the fear of missing out that's no big deal there's always another bus coming down the road you can always find another trade or another entry that's a fear that you don't have to worry about the fear of losing money boy get used to that one because that's what this is all about remember Warren Buffett's two rules rule number one don't lose any money rule number two break rule number one well you've got to take a risk somewhere along the line so that's really what you want to be doing this is the one that I thought was going to be the most prevalent fear and it certainly wasn't and that is the fear of being wrong and you shouldn't be afraid of that because you're going to be wrong some of the time you're going to be right some of the time one of my favorite baseball stories is Joe DiMaggio they always talk about who is the greatest hitter Ted Williams batting 400 and stuff like that but if you look at the statistics behind DiMaggio it's really quite amazing he played for 14 years for the Yankees and he struck out I believe he struck out in the 14 years I think he struck out 396 times as I remember it's very close to that just right under 400 and during that 14 years he hit 396 home runs for every time he struck out he hit a home run another time at bat maybe two days later maybe the next bat I don't know but they were equal one to one stop and think of Babe Ruth folks Babe Ruth was nine strikeouts to one home run the great Willie Mays was one strikeout to six home one home run to six strikeouts Henry Aaron same thing one home run to six strikeouts so that's how that's how good DiMaggio was he had a hitting streak of 56 games that has never been broken the closest ever to it was Pete Rose a few years ago well 27 years ago he got to game number 47 but what people don't realize about DiMaggio on that 57th game he was in Boston and he hit three 400 foot line drives into the outfield that were caught for outs and that was that was it however if you follow the statistics on that he hit in another 17 games in a row that would have been 70 games in a row that he had a hit so that's why he was such a great hitter and I know there's a lot of people argue about you know but those statistics you can't find statistics like that and we're in a statistic business so let's pay attention to it you know to what we're watching is the other thing that Mark would talk about with these traders is how they treated themselves I mean they of course they bought them all they all had little trinkets they all had their Ferraris and Rolexes whatever it was but they really pampered themselves you know they would take time off they would go for psychological counseling some people had you know later on I found out that Mark had some of these guys were regular patients of his and he wasn't a registered psychologist he was a trading psychologist so he spent all of his time you know on that so we'll be right back to you next time let's make the most informed decisions across all price levels from the price you should be paying per square foot in certain up and coming areas to the type of cash flow investment properties are capable of creating Tiger Real Estate can help you make the best decision when it comes to all areas of the market before you make one of the biggest decisions of your financial future call Tiger Real Estate LLC today at<PHONE_NUMBER> or email us at tiger at<PHONE_NUMBER> call us today prices target prices and stops to set for each trade Dave delivers his weekly newsletters every Friday with updates throughout the week you can get the technology insider at tfnn.com for only $37.50 sign up for David's newsletter the technology insider and get an inside look at everything the technology sector has to offer try at risk free today with our 30-day money back guarantee tfnn educating investors Are China A shares hot or not? 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Tiger TV okay we're back and I believe we have a lucky caller I don't know how he got through Mike are you there yeah it was really tough getting in Larry with all the calls ahead of me I don't know when you must have preferential treatment because Al said he didn't know how you could squeeze in but what can I do for you my friend Larry I heard you a little while ago talking about stops and I want to tell you something about myself I'm very good at when to enter stock and I'm pretty good at where to put a sell signal but that in between what I do is I'll get into most of the time I've been trading intraday like on a 10 and 15 minute chart and then I might use like a five minute to fine tune my entrance and exit but my worst subject is stop placement there's so many times when it actually has saved me because I'll get into a stock and I'll have my plan in place where I want to get out and I always use OCO orders if I get into something immediately I put my if I'm long I put my sell limit and then I put my stop in so that they're in at the same time but what happens a lot of times I get stopped out you had Joe DiNapoli on your show a while back and he was even pointing out that there's so many new algorithms out there that can seek stops and hit them and so anyway I was wondering if you could give us all some good lessons on stop placements I can tell you within about a Nats patootie of what's wrong whether you do anything about it or not it's going to be up to you but my guess is you've already outlined that you've got a good trading plan set up you said exit entry stop loss everything is done what's happening my best guess is Mike you're looking at the market too much and what happens is you're looking at the market and you're you know you have a $3 profit and something you've given back a dollar and a half and then you start to move your stop a little bit you change your game plan in the middle of the road and that's you don't want to do that just just put your game plan in and the one thing that I highly recommend for anybody that trades if you're trading the Euro go look at live hogs or something don't look at the Euro because no one cares whether you're looking at the Euro or not and you watch the prices go up and then you watch the prices go down and that's what affects your trading and you're thinking because once money gets involved in the situation you're in big trouble and that's my guess I don't know if I'm right or not but if I've heard Mike give that discussion more than once so my guess is you're just looking at the market a little too much during the day and that's what's causing you to look at if you put a 30 minute chart out there on the stock that you're doing keep it on 30 minutes don't go down to a 5 minute or 15 minute you've done a good job setting your plan out just follow your plan that's all you have to do is don't look at that monitor is not your friend it's a psychological indication of everything that's going on in your life so don't watch it just go watch something else if you're in the stock go watch live hogs or natural gas or something just don't watch what you're looking at because no one's watching it for you so just forget about it and follow your plan that's what I would suggest you do alright I'll try to implement some of what you just said but like I said a lot of times sometimes I'll have the plan in place I'll get a really good entry and I'll do the projections of where I want my sell limit to be if I'm long and then what I usually do is I'll come back and periodically I will move the stock up and a lot of times it's helped me to capture profits because there's been times where I look at something and have the best plan in the world out there and it never hits my sell limit it might only get about half or three quarters of the way up and then reverse and then if I didn't have a tight stop then it would have given it all back but sometimes when I have a tight stop it helps me to capture some profits but I will try to implement just focusing on the chart that I set the plan up with to begin with and leave it at that let me give you one other little tidbit of advice don't be hard on yourself Mike you can't be perfect all those four fears you're going to run into those every day so if it happens shake it off get in the batter's and get ready to see another picture come up because you don't have to worry about that just go to the next one just don't beat yourself up second guessing because second guessing is exactly what it is second and it's guessing so don't do that either and that's the way I'm set up I have a professional trading account where I can day trade I can get in and out as many times as I want to and I don't have to get married to a particular stocks so and what I try to do is I narrow it down to like maybe four or five stocks that I focus on and I know that some people they have so many they miss the opportunities and everything but so anyway yeah I'll try to implement what you just told me and see if that helps me out well good first of all you got a lucky streak going because you were one of the few people to get through today there you go you're halfway home alright and I did make some profits today so I was in one it was symbol LPI so it was a great day and it's always good talking to you because you teach us so much Larry you've got all these years of experience and I love listening to your show you have great guests on Tim Boss and when do you think you'll have Joe DiNapoleon again he's uh he's recovering from some surgery as soon as he's feeling better he'll be on but he's recovering from surgery but he'll be on probably in a month or so maybe alright great well thanks for everything you do and talk to you later I'll send that $20 to you today Mike as soon as I get off the air okay okay you need your special talent you want this time alright folks so let's take a look at the crude oil why we were looking at it over the weekend there were three things to tell us that the crude oil was at a pretty good bottom the first was the ABCD you noticed a three drive to a top pattern on the four hour chart that was back on July the fifth the whole world said it was going to $80 and we knew that the only way we could get the $80 was to get above $77 and it couldn't do that then we came down and the short sale was right there at $336 that was at the 786 we wrote it down to $69 in change we tried to sell the 382 rally at $69.80 you only got to $69.50 and then we completed the ABCD and this is why we were so important you'll notice here they had made a little bit lower low on Sunday night which was right at that $62 level we went below the magical $62 a barrel by 13 cents the low was I believe $62.87 and then since that time we rallied seven handles we went all the way up to $67 I don't know last I saw it was $67.50 it's probably going to go higher but you know we decided this is where we wanted to book profits 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For the CircuitPython Parsec today, I wanted to show you how you can code in CircuitPython on your phone and beam the code over to your CircuitPython device.  I have a little battery on there. You can see I have paired this device with my phone, so it shows up inside a file glider, which is an app for iOS, and it says, now you can use file app to create, move, rename, delete files, or directories. So I'm going to just head to the explorer. This is now showing me the contents of the microcontroller, and you can see there's no wires, right? Nothing is connected. It's all magically beaming through the air. And on here, the contents include code.py. That's the main program that's running on the board. Right now I have this five NeoPixel rainbow running, and all I'm going to do is adjust the code on the phone here to say, I've got 10 NeoPixels, I'll hit save. That is now going to save that code.py file on the microcontroller, and then after it gets that, it restarts. This is reconnected. And now you can see I am running the new code. So anything that you could code in CircuitPython on your computer, you could essentially code right on your phone and beam it over there, which is fantastic, really easy to get projects up and running in an educational environment or a cosplay prop or costume element. If you want to code something on the fly, it just couldn't get easier than that. So go check that out. We have a guide for that as well as the app. And that is how you can code for your CircuitPython device using Glider. That is your CircuitPython Parsec.


So, my name is Vincent Batts. I hope you have not heard my name because I try and stay out of the limelight as much as possible, but I've been in the container space now for about three years. I've been with Red Hat for about five years. Got involved with Docker in late 2013. At that time, I was on the OpenShift team, and as we were looking at what was the next iteration of OpenShift v2 to v3, we started realizing that the containers that we had framed up for ourselves needed to be more reproducible and more community-based, and so it led us to start investigating community containers, and around that time was when Docker was getting off the ground. I've been around in the open-source community for a number of years. It's fun running into people at conferences like this because we realize that some of us have contacts that we've been working with each other for 10 or more years, but in different contexts, all in open-source. It's good stuff, so feel free to reach out to me at any time. So I want to say it is fantastic and completely ironic that I'm the first person that gets to command their slides and have animations today, and I have zero technical content to cover in this presentation. You're going to see lots of cat gifts. So containers. As you've seen, I could go with the Longshoreman analogy here and all the fantastic tools that they have, and crane lifts and all this kind of stuff, and how to pack containers, but it's still just a box to deliver goods in. At the end of the day, there's any number of conforming containers that people use to package goods, deliver goods, and see how they're actually going to get used in production. It really doesn't matter. You could just as well look at actual shipping containers and how people are using them, and people are using them to build houses and do all kinds of stuff, where I'm sure the people that are actually shipping goods from China to San Francisco look at a house being built out of shipping container, and you say, that's clever. That's not what it was meant to do. That's clever. And it's led us in a lot of interesting directions, and what the last three years have been about has mostly seen, how are people using these containers? I mean, a lot of the technology's been there. It's either been not approachable or there weren't enough patterns that had arisen. I mean, LXC's been there, but nobody's really wanted to touch it in a meaningful way. So now we have a lot of patterns, and people have done a lot of interesting things with them. There was a few years ago, Simon, I got a Syripsen, if anybody's used the Logris, Syripsen's Logris container, a Gelleng library, it's a great logging library. Simon was giving a talk, and he gave the example of before, I think it was the Queen of England, had ever, she had heard about a walrus, and she wanted to see what a walrus was.  And so what they reassembled was this preposterous, overblown monster of a creature, and Simon was saying, this is pretty much where the phase we are in, and he said this two years ago with containers, that most of us are doing all kinds of things, and it's only in a couple of years from now when we start to see what that pattern is, the proper way to assemble it. How is it going to come together? There's lots of ways that you can use containers, but now let's move the conversation up a little bit. How are we making it useful? So in the container ecosystem particularly, I mean, we as an industry have gone through patterns like this, and I'm not saying the technology, but the types of iterations over and over, whether it was operating systems, whether it was virtualization, whether it was orchestrating virtualization with like OpenStack and so forth, and now it's just kind of churned to keep refining the method. For whatever reason, the ecosystem is the big question now, because it's exciting, but to some extent it's a foregone conclusion that a lot of this is happening in the open. So now it's open source, and how companies that are going to compete with each other, how they're working together, and in the container community, that's, for whatever reason, led to a lot of conversations and a lot of trepidation and mixed feelings. And so people ask, well, what's happening in the container ecosystem? And for a lot of us, I feel like I say us developers involved, this is often like myself at the time working with folks from Docker and folks from CoreOS and IBM and Google and now Amazon and Huawei and all these people, and many of us have competing offerings. But at the end of the day, when the people with their hands on the keyboards just trying to make it work, I feel like some of this like container wars and all these flurry conversations that are going on, a lot of people that are actually working on it are just kind of watching that go by. And like, we'd prefer there not to be any feelings of contention, just want to work on good technology and work on it together, even if there are higher level constructs that people are worried about. So some of the fights that people feel like and, you know, tit for tat, at the end of the day, it's actually us just trying to figure out where it is that we're going and find the common ground so that we're not fighting with ourselves and realizing that I've made a decision, you know, I invented it, I'm not going to use your stuff because you didn't invent it and, you know, you end up fighting against yourself because of some decision you made at some point. It's difficult because there's humans involved, and so as soon as we can move past that, the conversation gets a lot easier. Yeah, that's where some people that have been involved, you can ask, I sympathize with this. If you don't sympathize with this, good for you. But some of the conversations when we go round and round, it leads you to a state of just ready to make it boring. Like, a lot of the things that people get really hyped about, especially, or at least over the last few years, it's time to move the conversation up the next level. And this is where the last, almost two years, but I'll say a year and a half, the conversation that I've been most involved in, my primary focus has been in the Open Containers Initiative. It was launched by a donation of part of the runtime code of Docker. At that time, it was like NSNIT. RunC was just kind of a term that we were working through. It got formally launched as RunC. There was a period of transition there. It boasted the ability to have distributable code and like configuration files that were portable. At the time that all that was going on, it was mostly library calls. It wasn't actually a command line tool, or a lot of the things that we were working on over a period of probably six months or so. We made that into, anyhow, the conversation has started with standards for better or worse, and at the time, standards to a lot of people meant de facto, de facto meaning it's where we are. It's what we have. Most people would say that's the standard to them. And as far as people are not looking forward to adopting a specification, if I went around the room and asked you, can you prove that your application is POSIX compliant? I could guarantee I would hear half of your teeth grinding of like, well, maybe. Yes, but we try to not do it. Or FHS, like your FHC file system is completely compliant. You're putting all your files in the right place. And people grind their teeth because they're doing it how they know it works for their application, but not to somebody else's specification. So we have brought standards in. And as soon as you start saying, we're going to specify this, like it was one of the things that I think because we had gone round and round and the developers involved just wanted it to work. We wanted it to be consistent. We needed that base runtime, the distribution of images to work right. No matter whatever application platform you're working on, we needed to move on. At the time when it was like, we need a standard, I think that got a lot of people very excited. And by the same token, that got a lot of people very like, oh, god, what is it, 13 competing standards. So we need to unify these. Now you have 14 competing standards. And that was where we're at. But the conversation has progressed in such an open and the Open Containers Initiative, OCI, has been about a year and a half in the works. We are working on the image specification and the runtime specification. And some folks within the industry ask why is it moving so fast? Because I think in many industries, to have something that's going to be industry adopted, that's two years in the making only has like fledgling adoption within various tools. That's pretty fast moving. I feel like by a lot of technology firms and even startups that a year and a half is an eternity. Like why are we not done with this already? But the best part about this is that as we are working our way through just these two building blocks, the process has been entirely open and equitable between the companies involved. And we've effectively started with just the two basic building blocks within OCI and that's packaging and runtime. How are you going to distribute? How are you going to make it available to anybody else? If you're using something like a registry, how are you pushing and pooling? What is it that you're actually pushing and pooling? Does it have basic constructs that I can build other security principles off of like content addressability? A lot of things that we've been working on and refining in the Docker format over the last couple of years and it's gotten us through the Docker v1 registry format and v2 and then v2 schema too. These things were being refined over the time but we wanted to codify it. We wanted to put it to a spec. Likewise for RunC and the ability to have interchangeable underpinnings. Some of the other pieces of standards that are in the works but are not covered in OCI particularly is networking and as it's now becoming is the cloud orchestration layer. Like this is pretty much where the conversation is. So this is just a little bit of backstory on it. It started around June 2015 and at that time it was the open container specs. It was all one big umbrella project. Around, I forget, a little more than a year ago we decided that to have it all under specs was a little confusing so we split up to a runtime spec and an image spec. Currently the runtime spec is that a V100 RC5 we're about to enter the voting period for a 1.0 final so I could pretty safely say expect that V1.0 final on the runtime side within the next month. A plug for network, these are a little out of order. The primary one like what Kubernetes and many different back ends are using is CNI. There are some others out there. The CNI has been most widely adopted to my knowledge. So this is where the packaging side that I personally like spending most of my time. The de facto standard has been the Docker image whether that's on disk or when you Docker save and load it, whether you push and pull it, the actual pieces involved here, how do you serialize what it is that you're needing to move around has been the de facto standard and because of that what we've been working through on the OCI image spec has been a carryover from largely the Docker V2 schema to format so what you push and pull is if you have any tooling or implementations that are there if you already have like Clayton was talking about a registry, it will not be a large leap to add just this additional MIME type or media type and we're already seeing even though this is pre-release also it's an RC5, it might go through one more release candidate. We're already seeing industry adoption. There's a number of tools that are supporting it already. I don't have it on here but recently even Amazon's elastic containers registry, ECR, is that what they call it or is it ECS? ECR, yeah elastic container registry, they added a OCI support in that you could actually push a Docker image and then ask for the MIME, that same image that you just pushed but in the MIME type of the OCI format and it would do the translation on their backside. Likewise you could push an OCI MIME or media type to it and pull a Docker V2 schema to back and this is what is intended to happen. It's a low risk step so it's that you have actually a specified like V1 version, a commonality point as long as you know that you've produced this artifact or can consume this artifact, you have a compatibility layer on the low level building blocks. Precisely what it was intended to do is intended to be boring. So as the conversations moved up now to cloud Kubernetes kicked off the CNCF party but has had lots of friends join along and most recently as it relates to this talk has been proposed Container D which is how many folks are familiar with have played with Container D? Pretty slim. So what's interesting is Container D is pretty much some of the underbelly execution of the Docker daemon or Docker engine. Originally a thin execution layer now various features like the image push and pull, some aspect of like what was the graph driver now the snapshot layer are being moved from the engine down into the Container D layer. It's an independently useful tool it's for pulling, pushing, running images. Likewise, Rocket's been around for two and a half, two years. A little over two years, about two years and three months that has formats, the ACI formats and under the app C spec as well as supporting Docker. Both Rocket and Container D are being donated or have the conversation started to donate to the CNCF umbrella. How this is interesting is like was talked about earlier the CRI interface, the Container Runtime Interface for Kubernetes allows for as long as it meets you can write a CRI shim to talk to any Container Runtime because nobody expects there, nobody really expects there to only be one winner because there might be different use cases and that gets into talking about thin VMs or anything like that. There might be more than one Container Runtime you just write a CRI shim and you can choose that use case. Red Hat's working on, called Cryo. For a little while it was called OCID but Cryo and it's pretty much a thin CRI shim just to call out to RunC. These two options give a little bit more in that sense of like a full feature tool that also will be callable by Kubernetes. And it's pretty much what a lot of people have asked for over the years. Particularly especially in the Kubernetes use case we didn't need all the functionality but mostly the execution and push and pull of images and so there's now within the CNCF umbrella there's collaboration there, there's a way forward that hopefully will be boring and people are trying to get things done can just go work on a project together and have open governance. Even if the conversation gets long and drawn out and there's a lot of people involved because there are people involved the conversation needs to stay open. It doesn't need to have like a single choke point for some of these projects. It's a very exciting time if you're into the space if you like working on boring stuff that has meaning. I recommend you get involved. I say that because a lot of the hype will burn you out and sometimes it's working on the boring stuff that often times nobody else wants to get involved in that can have meaningful impact all the way up the stack and I feel like that's where we are at this point so that we can get the conversation to orchestrating containers so that we can distribute these things. We can actually have a higher level application like we can actually talk about a lot of the fun concepts that you see coming down the pipeline for OpenShift and Kubernetes. So particularly a call to action in my world is getting involved. Open Containers Initiative we have IRC channels, we have mailing lists, there's a dev at opencontainers.org, email list that's welcome to get involved in. If you're working on various types of parts of the stack that interoperate with things that I've talked about, it is imperative that you get involved either because your use case is valid, which because you're working on it, I assume that's true. You need to make sure that this stuff works for you so that we can take that feedback but as well get involved because as it's already being adopted, it will mean some point of interoperability which would further leverage whatever it is that you're working on but also make sure that other people consume the work that you're doing. So yeah, it's an interesting time for this line of work and any other questions, feel free to hit me up later. I'm VBATS at most places or VBATS at redhat.com. Yeah.