Now I'm going to open the slack board meeting So I'm calling the meeting to order at 705 and the meeting hearing was closed at 705 All right So do we have any additions to the slack board meeting? How you had an addition yes? We have a request from a local farmer for a letter of recommendation in a connection with a funding request that they are Asking for it like us to consider that Yeah, the letter of support letter of support. Yes, okay So we'll put that in there and We have the minutes to review from August 21st. I move to approve them it or you've moved to approve the minutes Any further discussion I Know if no one is going to say anything then we can move forward well, but if people want to discuss the minutes we have the opportunity Yes, the minute kicker does a good job too bad we're losing All those in favor, please say I I The eyes appear to have they do have The next thing is public comment, I believe and do we have any public comment? we do not and The next is consideration of the Lincoln tax engagement letter I imagine that's our usual letter There are ten properties which the letter proposes moving forward on the collection of delinquent taxes for and I I move to approve the delinquent tax collection Engagement letter. I'll second it and to authorize the chair to sign it We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any further discussion? Actually, actually, I'm sorry Let me amend the motion if I may we are actually There's no approval of the letter. We're merely authorizing the delinquent tax collector Michelle palace to sign the letter From the attorney. Yeah And I'm just gonna mention that it looks like the cost be probably slightly more than a thousand dollars per per household or first per property that actually goes to tax sale for that would include the title search and Developing all records and copying and all that sort of thing for the attorney in the attorney's time to do that Yes, Mr. Is that um, is that born by the town or is that tacked on to the good question?  Yes in theory Well, yeah, we're the before the buyer of the property Yeah, I mean most of the time that people will pay off their taxes and expenses No, no, it's good question.  Yes, and that can happen one why No, what I don't remember is if The attorney simply issues a formal tax sale I'm sorry a 30 day demand letter the taxpayer Which is a small fraction of the thousand dollars or so in charge of going all the way to the sale and the person pays right away Do they have to pay for that hundred dollars or so to I think so? I mean, that's my I think that That's probably the penalties and interests go towards that when you think that that's a good way of looking at it Oh, that's right. You don't think it's a separate line. I don't think so, but I've never seen it before Usually they're equates incorporated There's a total car. I'm not sure I'm not either So if it goes to tax sale, yes, the the town is not on the hook for it If it stops short of a tax sale, it sounds like we're not quite certain what happens But in any case there's an 8% penalty and then an interest rate of 1% 1.5% 1% per month or something Yeah, so it's like 12% But those costs they have to maybe absorb Well, they may have to come out of that money that you were taking it Because they're still gonna have to pay that We still are we are still there in the cost and less I go to sale we assume But we're not really because the 8% penalty in the more But what happens in many cases like probably two-thirds of people will redeem their property will pay the taxes and pay the penalty And it won't that won't incur any substantial cost except for maybe the first the hundred dollars for the letter Right, so we're the town the town was a money on that Can I just ask a question this is Deb Yeah Has the delinquent tax pay collector reached out to these people and told them that they are on a select board agenda And that the next step is going to be that they're going to go to tax sale I mean you just said two-thirds on average are going to pay up as soon as they find out it's gone that serious Have they been notified by the town that it's going to the level of serious now They're going to be notified the first Lawyer in other words, yes. Yeah Gina the town excuse me Gina the town reached out to these taxpayers already, right They received monthly statements. Correct. They received they received a statement monthly from the delinquent tax collector They know they owe the money Yeah, they're no notified monthly so every month they get a bill because their interest is assessed every month So they get a bill for every month their taxes plus plus penalty plus interest Yeah, but we're no longer we're no longer contacting people and trying to work out payment programs with them the way that Oh, yeah No, we are Well, it gets to a point where you often you every month I mean anyone can pick up the phone and contact the delinquent tax collector to reach out to discuss any options that may be available Well, we haven't shut the door on making schedule payments No, we we're still considerate and sensitive to people's need as far as setting up the schedule payments We we've always done that has to go both ways It does I mean they have to help themselves and you know what by us not moving forward with the tax sale We're not helping these folks at all Because what happens is unless you're going to forgive all their taxes They're going to end up paying more penalty and interest the longer they go and if they can't afford to taxes in the first place Then how are they going to afford the penalties and interest if it continues to grow? So most these people are aware a lot of these people do this every year. Oh, yeah So they they're fully aware of what the process is And they and many times people from my own experience in dealing with this in the past past life Um People know they owe the money and they just are waiting for someone to say you have to pay Oh, there's habitual offenders on there. I can tell you that right now, right? Yeah I mean, there's always a few people it might be caught by surprise, but I'm not sure there is on this list No Any more questions? Okay So We're done with the tax engagement letter. Would you read the motion since see if I go So I don't think we need a motion on that. Yeah, we just need her to authorize or send a letter We need to yeah, will you read the motion since I think a little bit and see what it ended up To authorize delinquent tax collector palace to sign the delinquent tax engagement letter from the attorney Yes, there's also a signature line for the chair on that letter as well Oh, yeah, okay So Yeah, yeah, yeah All right, so we have a motion we have a second And all those are favorably sale. Hi. Hi Guys appear to have it they do have it um, okay So the next item on the agenda is consideration of the housing foundation incorporated mortgage discharge sandy pines Now I've signed this already because it had to be notarized And they couldn't we couldn't do it at the meeting. So I came in today To sign it. Okay. So now we're going to authorize you to sign it Okay, I move to authorize the select board chair to sign the letter of mortgage discharge Uh, regarding the housing foundation Loan funded by the revolving loan fund comma Which was paid off in september 2022 Some very specific language in the select board annotated agenda for this motion that was provided by the town attorney Oh, you mean the pardon quotes? Yes, okay. Yes. Yes Just we don't we don't want any issues because he will get a copy of this motion with Yeah, this as well as well. Thank you, Gina. I Nobody seconded my original motion. So I withdraw it and Now move to approve discharge of the housing foundation ink mortgage dated march 18 1998 And recorded at book 61 pages 497 to 503 of the east montpellier land records And dieter you can find that in the memo I'll second that Okay, we have a second zoi zoi any further discussion No, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Hi Okay So we're done with that Well, there's one other item with this just to note that the next step and it was just it was mentioned during the hearing for arpa Is that this is all connected to the revolving loan fund and in doing the annual reporting this year I was told by the state that we we were long in Non-compliance with this because we really haven't been doing anything with this revolving loan fund So our two options are to either return the fund to the state Or the board can choose to Assign these funds to down street. So it's not necessarily just to clarify some words used during the arpa It's not that we're kind of hiring down street to manage our revolving loan fund. We are We would be assigning the fund to down street We it would no long it's no it would no longer be our funds So your next meeting is next monday and I have spoken with down street and have them tentatively scheduled to attend that Actually, they're they're definitely going to attend but attend that meeting to speak with you But in speaking with cassie bell at the state If if the board did not want to transfer the funds or assign the funds to down street Then really there's one other option, which is the funds then go back to the state Yeah, I remember the discussion last year Okay No, did you say earlier gina that They could be earmarked for east Montpelier projects even if they become down street money So last when it was in 2022 when um Rebecca Schrader spoke with the board about this I Down street. I cannot speak to specifically what down street can and cannot do I believe what Rebecca had mentioned and again down street will clarify all of this next week is that they can For a period of time target the funds in east Montpelier Montpelier But certainly at some point the funds will just go into the overall down street buckets But again, they will provide that information to us next week Thank you Okay, I have an administrative point when we switched from the hearing to the meeting I did not stop the recording and restart the recording So it's all going to be one long continuous recording And I think at this point the least bad thing to do is to just keep it that way rather than to start Stop the recording now and restart it Everyone agreed right. I agree. Yeah, it's okay. Gina was nodding. Okay. Very good. Yeah Okay, so I think that we've um Discussed The down street option Uh, so we have a meeting on the 18th. Yeah Yes, yeah Yeah, somehow we kind of missed that they were one week in between so But it kind of worked out with the hearing being tonight Yep, which ended up being less involved than I expected it to be. Um, I tried to keep the agenda thin this evening because of that Fin's okay. Yeah, which I thin is okay. Yeah, the weight watchers meeting. Okay Tonight, okay Um, so the next item is a Lister's airs and emissions which I think we were looking for An explanation of that item on our last agenda. Yes so It's explained right here. I think right Those that's a Email I sent to Gina and she put in your memo, but if you want any more clarification I came to the meeting to do that Oh, I'm just do you want an overview click over you know, it's written down here for the public to hear okay, um We mentioned in our original request for the air on emission that um We needed to change the value by $10,500 Yeah, because we had in error omitted 6.46 acres that happened because a subdivision was done. There were two New lots created. There were three plus acres each And we removed them from the total acreage But they didn't actually transferred to the new owners until after April 1st So we should have left them there until the 2024 tax year So it's not like those 6.64 acres got taxed to somebody else. They were just not getting taxed at all So we got to put them back on Okay, well that helps understand. Yeah Close enough So I think we have to Emotion have a motion on it Right Yes, and you need to sign it I need to sign it or We all need to sign You have a stack of documents that's in front of you requiring signature and this actually has Signature lines for multiple select board members Okay Yep So we approve the errors and emission certificate is provided by the the town listers for 2023 Yeah, okay. Yeah We have to sign all three To approve the errors and emission certificate That's presented tonight. It's a nice meeting. Well, I have to have the number. I mean, right? It's a pvr-4261e and that's just a that's just a cop. That's just a form name. Yeah That's exactly what I said Right here Are we having discussion now or what were you? I don't know.  He's a freshman member. I would say fresh.  No. No, I made a motion John re-iterated the motion In greater detail. So who's second your motion?  Oh, geez. How about if I second it? Yeah, that'd be great Okay, we have a motion we have a second now we have to have discussion Does anybody want to discuss any further? I appreciate the clarification. It was unclear why we were being asked to Approve an error or emission last time now it's clear and I'm ready to approve this Okay All those in favor, please say aye. Aye The eyes appear to have they do have it now. I want to have to sign three copies So I'll make sure we do it before we okay All right, okay Okay, we got the error as a mission done consideration of town office cleaning quote What is this quote? I'm looking Cleaning checklist So to sum it up Quickly right now. We're paying $100 per week for cleaning services So we reached out to get another quote as a comparison and just found A company that's out of Montpelier Lamco cleaning and their quote came in at $80 per week Jean who we met with with lamco came to the office toward the office. I participated in that Feel very comfortable with her ability. She ironically enough worked for the town way back when So we're inclined to move forward with this quote Do we have any information on the quality of work that they do at other places? Um, do not but felt very comfortable with her professionalism and um, you know, I think, you know I know chair Gardner has commented to me on The Kind of the state of or lack thereof of some of the cleanliness of the office lately So I think it's worth trying someone else anyway to see what's the level of service that we receive And unlike with the current cleaner This person the current cleaner was not hired with a very clear contract. This person will be Um, and it will have a term on it and include stipulations as well that we can it's our it'll be our standard contract That i'm trying to employ with everyone that we hire now Um, so if we are unhappy we can make a change whenever we want to Nice that was my question that was just answered by the town administrator So I would therefore like to make a motion to accept this contract Um, I believe you are Authorizing the town administrator to draft a contract with lamb co-cleaning service. That's exactly and accept the quote Yeah, we don't we don't have to borrow it Um, we're we're authorizing her to draft the contract or do we want to wait until she um, I I will authorize the town administrator to draft the contract and under these terms Move ahead and sign it and get get the stuff on the road. Yeah, sounds good. Yeah cleaning on the road. Okay So you made the motion. I'll second it. You're second now. Yes, I have to start Or we should have this yeah, I'm wondering what the term you're envisioning of the contract is Gina Well in the past I mean I will I'll probably do a year term on it But our standard contract with that which I've received from jim part barlow same contract We used on the cemetery services as well Always gives us an opportunity to cancel the contract at any time Um, the only reason I want to do a year contract is what we've tipped what we tip Well Our lawn maintenance services for example are on a three-year contract But in this case I would like to do just a year and then you know It's something that I'd like to get on a cycle with all vendors that we renew a contract on an annual basis Uh-huh. Okay. Thank you Uh, so all those in favor, please say hi. Hi The eyes appear to have it. They do have it Okay town garage project update Really have much of an update as much as to discuss next step. I know carl had reached out the vlct So I wanted to just have an open dialogue about next steps here And I just had a question about the wetlands determination that hasn't happened yet, correct Now she wasn't going to get us on her schedule until I think in october so we're Are we on the schedule? Last I heard yes Okay, I don't have a specific date yet, but okay All right, I do have some information on wetlands Following up on my questions about the supreme court decision about what the epa is authorized to do and now the new epa rule that's been proposed I had john groveman who is a vermont natural? vnrc vermont natural resources council water program chair staff member and a lawyer I had him on my show radio show last week and took the opportunity ahead of time to bless you to ask him this very question and he told me that the not to worry about it basically that from an environmentalists perspective that the Wetland delineation in the state of vermont is done to vermont standards, which are separate from the federal standards So the supreme court decision is not going to affect that The standard made vermont standards may also be more stringent than the epa strand standards in the first place. That's what I understand Yeah, yeah But uh as far as do you want me to talk about the Correspondents with the league of the leasing types. Okay. Yeah, okay. So yeah, as jeena mentioned And as we talked about last week, um, you know, I was curious about Whether we could uh, just go ahead with the town garage administration With our two road commissioners who are a select board chair and our our town administrator our road foreman town employee plus a member of the energy committee who's shown interest in um, in getting together and and giving input on this and would we have to designate The this collection of people a committee Uh, that means that whenever two of those people are together talking about The town garage issues and they would have to call a meeting take minutes, etc. Etc. You want it because it would be a quorum, right? Just for two If it's a four person committee, yeah Yeah, we could we could commit a point a fifth person to the committee I suppose so that any two could talk and that fifth person could just be a placeholder So that was a question that was a question and The vlct lawyers town lawyers They always, um Try to be very conservative to Provide advice to towns that would protect them and they said, uh, yeah Go ahead and do it with a committee But on the other hand when I pushed back and said how difficult it would be then The response was it's hard to determine where the line between informal groups taking on tasks and official subcommittees is Because no court has interpreted yet Um, we always take the more conservative approach when guiding our members of gray areas Uh, I think keeping it to town employees who can randomly solicit input from others would not trigger the open meeting law So perhaps directing the town administrator to lead the project with specific tasks And then a sense of whose input the select board expects them to solicit would be appropriate So she also said I do know many towns commonly appointed committee that might meet once or twice a month to work on these capital projects Yeah, but the committee does have to have a one right me right what we're doing is we're talking about having informal get-togethers Right, so if so, it's a gray area. So if we So what we could do is we could have a committee that would meet It could even be in um in connection with our select board meetings, perhaps Uh, just I don't know but in any case we could have a committee If we wanted to but we could also just appoint gena to lead the process As a town employee and then she can confer with whomever she wants and doing that right That was kind of my concern Was being stretched too thin trying to do that. That's what I was trying to avoid Oh, okay. Well, um, we have a rope foreman. What would you think about appointing? Yeah, Guthrie could do it For myself or whatever. Well, you're not a town. Well, you're not a town employee in the same sense Oh, right. Not in the same sense. Guthrie's probably about as equally thin as I am at this point. Um So I think this is the this is kind of the problem where we have what where we are right now We have a very limited staff So can we do the garage project very large project Do we have capacity to do the garage project? Yeah, we do we just need a kid There's no choice. What's that? There's no choice with the opportunity. Yeah But that would be by gena and Guthrie Raoul as far as leading the project Which is so would a committee be Workable or a good thing What what I I mean, I think we need Somebody who can work on this on a day-to-day basis who doesn't wait Around for the next committee meeting in two weeks to give an answer to a contractor But maybe we only have one We only have the engineer looking at the wetlands project at the moment And then we have to work with kathy gent to do the rfb, right? So it isn't like we have multiple Entities coming at us here. We do only have one but at one point we will Eventually, yeah, it is multiple when you consider that the energy committee I mean, we've already had from we're going to build a metal structure to now potentially would now I mean, it's it's it's not cut and dry. So One option would be to hire a project manager that can then my my main concern is just trying to coordinate and get the answer from this person and get the answer just the Just gathering that all the answers and questions from everybody is going to be very time consuming So we we don't even have a clearly defined what type of structure we're going to build so Like I said, I I thought we were going to be building a metal structure and that kind of blew up with now considering so it's When I have spoken with Kathleen jen this lack of scope is even difficult for her to balance Well, I think a couple of us should meet with Kathleen jen if you don't have the time and you and I can Yeah, I just I just want to say that at this point nobody's given up the idea of building a metal build And we would what I would suggest that I did look at the the request for proposals that that Kathleen put together as a draft It should stay stayed in there that we're looking for people to provide us with guidance on They should have some background and do a metal build is it and hopefully Uh Wood structures and let us know which would be more appropriate to construct Um, and then we have to of course we have people who want us to construct a wooden building because it's more Maybe more energy efficient and it doesn't utilize as much natural resources and and and just constructing it but on the other hand They could be damaged quite quickly By having constant moisture in it, which is what they get from the right and it's a lot more Cost costly to design and actually to build to than a metal structure. So and I know that from That's absolutely true. And um So I think that needs to be specified in that rfp That we need people that have experience in that and we're going to be looking for guidance from the architect And the engineering firm to let us know which one they would feel would be the most appropriate to be constructed But I think that you know, jean is saying she's too busy and I've got three years too I think you and I could meet with kathleen jen If everyone's comfortable with that And after we have I would be happy to participate in that meeting. It's more of the long term Oversight of this is more of what kind of I'm speaking with they're speaking about it's You know with what the lct is talking about someone leading this you're talking about someone Kind of project managing and overseeing this effort. That's Not necessarily talking about participating in a meeting in a meeting But don't we have to find out if we can even build the building then? I think I think we've kicked around the ideas with the new information from tonight And we don't have to make a decision on it. So I'm satisfied with the discussion And I just think that at this point we have to find out if we can even build there and that's the point That's what we're trying to do with a wetlands determination And that's the first step we can't do anything until we decide until we know that So let's cross the other bridges as we get to them And I don't think you really need a project manager until you hire on an architect and actually start getting designs and figure out that you're going to build something That's basically what you're saying, but we're not even we're near that yet. So we could meet as a committee Or or is another as an informal group While we work on the RFP and getting that out to um people and Anyway, I don't have a few more questions about the RFP, but we can discuss that with Kathleen But we can't put the RFP out until we just decide we can build the building there, right? We have to wait for the wetlands. Yeah, but I'm more than willing to meet with Kathleen If um, you know, jean is too busy. Yeah, and the select board will be approving the RFP It will be a public document before it goes out. Yeah, of course. It's not just to get it. Yeah put together Right. I think john's had some great ideas. I feel myself We can meet with her if jean is too busy, then we can deal with it And I felt like the last meeting we had Where we talked with the energy committee folks. I felt that um They came up with you know ideas about constructing a more energy efficient building or a building that had a less impact On on the environment, but the thing is they didn't give us any cost Analysis between, you know, one might be cost a lot less to build but might cost a little bit more on the tail end Another one might cost a lot less or more and then be left. I don't know. It's just they I suggested to them that If you have want to recommend something to us Then give us the pros and cons What and they kind of turned it back to us. I said, well, you guys should look into that. Well, no You guys come up with the idea. You're the energy committee. You the people have the expertise in that Some of you are architects. So we've had that background do some research do some research and let us know We don't we haven't given them enough information to ask. We haven't asked them a specific question How big is the building going to be for example? Well, we have it. It's in the rp Yeah, well, they haven't been given the rp. Have they? No, but the point was they just asked a bunch of questions and when I asked them back You know, what are the pros and cons of this they go? Well, you need to look into it Well, I think that we can get I think that number one step Let's figure out the wetlands thing number two step is rfp We can work on that incorporate our ideas and get it out the door. Right. That's my Let's get feedback from from andy and or the the energy committee on the rfp before we We will yeah, we will but we can we can put that together Yeah, but jenus saying she's too busy and so it's got three I can reach out to got three to get some actual dimensions together. Yeah, and then we can put that together So I think we can do it. All right, so That's the town garage update. Did you have anything else jenna on that? I think there are some dimensions already in the draft of the rfp, but yeah Okay, yeah, I just wanted to make sure they were and I you're saying they are so that sounds good So the next item on our agenda is the july 2023 stored damage fema update. I see we've got some sheets in here With Basically giving you a copy of the damage inventory As it stands right now There are four specific locations that will be That will be required or they'll have a site inspection Um, I don't think the site inspection is going to happen this week I'm trying to get some clarity on with the our fema representative about that. I think it will be next week um I'm meeting with our fema representative tomorrow The kind of just to discuss next steps, but we went fema representative myself and guthrey Spent an hour plus going through the damage inventory and discussing all of this last week I have a question about how to interpret this. I think um, if I look at rows see Oh, the those aren't row numbers row letters if I look at the horn and the moon items, um, which are in the second third, sorry third fourth fifth Uh six White row Those are 90 to 95 complete. Um, could you explain what that means? That means they're 90 95 complete It means the majority of the work has been done in a lot of these cases all that is left to complete is the top layer Um, basically finishing off the road um I gotta tell you I live on horn and the moon road and I was going to take the opportunity if if it came up tonight to ask how much more work is intended to be done on horn and the moon because there are some Dicey places still and one place where the two cars cannot pass each other, you know, and so we were wondering if there was If it had been intentional that basically you just made it passable for now and you're planning to come back and finish it up Correct. Yeah, and that this is typical and speaking with the fema Is that that final kind of 10 percent? That's what that is. It's it's finishing off the top layer of the roads It's the majority of the damage has kind of been repaired And this is essentially finishing off And a lot of the delay in some of this is lack of material Yeah, there's one place where The guard rail was left hanging in mid-air and now the guard rail is gone. So that still has to be replaced I don't know if that's yeah, absolutely guard rail is another thing in that 10 percent I've got a question that's sort of on the topic, but um What I've heard from some other towns are doing with fema damage is they hire contractors But they don't pay them until the fema money comes in. I'm hoping that we're not doing that We have not hired any contractors That's why I thought but I don't think it's a good practice to make contractors wait for the money Especially I I don't think Guthrie nor I would be supportive of that that type of right, but I know what an adjacent town is That's every contractor's Waiting for money and they're not going to get paid until next week And you you you don't get paid until all of these that are 100 and it can take quite a while to get to the 100 Yeah, that there's a lot that still gets done in that in that 10 percent Oh, no, I'm not worried about that one little bit. I understand that completely I just thought that if we hired any outside contractors, I want to make sure they got paid Yeah, I don't want to know absolutely now we have Making people wait for six months to get paid What the heck And these contractors are going to go they're doing other jobs just so they can afford to keep going They couldn't even finish the job to the town because town never paid them That's what's going on right now. So it sounds like we're on a better trajectory. So I'm happy with that We didn't hire anybody anyway. We're just doing town employees are going to get reimbursed The town's going to get reimbursed for the money that we bought funded for the what we've done Yeah, this is normal Right, but making people wait for the money for six months with the 90 percent No, no, I know that. Yeah All right So is there any other with a lot of these percentages You're also looking at the percent complete is also kind of based on cost as well How much more do you have to spend? And when you've already put a significant amount of material and roads the material that is left including things like guardrails Is not a significant amount of the of the funds yet to be spent I'm not concerned about that We completed these percentages in discussion with the FEMA representative with Guthrie walking him through and in fact I was pulling out my phone and the computer and showing him pictures of some of these roads and discussing what had been done So a lot of these were percentages were completed based on guidance with our film representative Well, thank you for doing all that work because I know it's been a tremendous amount of work that was added onto your plate So, you know the difference between the b and the c category b is the emergency work or temporary fix work And then c is more of the kind of long term Yeah Thank you. It's pretty impressive on on the FEMA crew. Yeah, I attend the meeting. There's there was Pat Yeah, they they they're serious. They They document everything and they have a mitigation person and yeah, yeah, yeah, and two or three people that are field workers. It was I was impressed with FEMA It's Money looks like it's I mean you have to validate everything. Yeah. Yeah, I know Were they there to validate things only or were they there also to provide technical assistance? I think They were really there Answering questions to provide support FEMA doesn't technically provide any technical assistance from uh How do you repair the road? How do you I mean they're they're telling us what we need to have done and Guthrie's already been He's in regular communication with jaren board, which is our stream alteration engineer That we that works in our area Guthrie's had him out to a number of these sites already We just have to start getting all the the data to back up some of this And we we may have to engage chase and chase to actually put the pen to paper As it relates to meeting some of the requirements from FEMA with the hydrological studies and you know You name it of all of all the roads and the damage but But yeah, so Really the the people that were all in attendance. You had the site inspection team. You had some people that were dealing with environmental concerns Um, it's just kind of all the the pieces and parts in the boxes We will need to be checking through this process Good, thank you Okay in terms of uh of people getting paid for doing this work for us And the expense warrant that we'll be signing tonight. There's over 20 000 dollars of checks that we're cutting to people who have Provided services or goods to us in connection with FEMA work Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that all the contractors were getting paid if we hired many and we have not Yeah Luckily have not our road crew has been able to perform this work I think the only thing we did was we did rent an excavator for A period to help support them in the work But um, and that was all for horn of the moon by the way to um, but uh But that's uh, that's the only thing we have done other than getting material and having our road crew actually performing the work Okay, and some of these projects will probably Are going to take a while a while to complete because you're going to have to do hydraulic studies of the rivers and streams And and have size out box culverts and things like that that need to go in there And then they have to be constructed and put in place. So that's amazing. Well, it's only one There's only one place to center circle. I think so that's the only one that's not going to be fixed for you Center circle and Sodom pond will likely be the most complicated Sodom pond is going to be complicated because we don't yet know what historical Um implications may be on that stone culvert Um Sodom pond or excuse me sander circle jaren has already told us preliminarily Um, he believes that we'll need a 14 foot. I believe arch culvert um in that area Or for that and sander circle and Sodom pond will be too that we will likely hire contractors to perform that work And we didn't manage to blow out the stone culvert in in this storm Probably never will Yeah, probably never will no It's a good culvert Keep in mind that Sparrow or that uh, Sodom pond actually it is still there. So the culvert is there It's just the water went all around it Yeah, yeah, oh well Okay ridges like that too Okay, so thank you for the FEMA update um There isn't much left you want to discuss the Oh, how about town administrator report? We have the letter But I just want to get the town's sure administrator report out of the way Um, it's pretty it's pretty short and sweet. Um There was a curb cut that you all approved at the last meeting that set that's in that stack of stuff that Requires signatures. I kind of sticky noted everything. Um, put post-it notes on it to let you know what to do there But that curb cut permit just needs to be signed. It was already approved Um, I'm going to give you a zoning update at the next meeting Um And then the only other thing I had were the january meeting dates just to go ahead and get those nailed down Um, obviously the first monday of January is january 1st, which I don't know that we want to meet on new year's day So i'm proposing january 8th and january 22nd as dates for those meetings, so We don't necessarily have to decide on that tonight the board can check their schedules and we can go from there But just wanted to point that out Or you know december 31st instead of january 1st get it out of the way ahead of time Yeah I'll be here Um anything else, yeah No, that's it since we're meeting next week. Like I said my I expected a uh lengthier hearing for arpa. So I tried to keep the select board meeting Then Classy was difficult when i'm trying to schedule people like downstream You will be meeting with the funding request study committee next Meeting as well. It's difficult to schedule people when we have a hearing. Um, when I don't know Timing so yeah, exactly. Yeah, you don't know when we're going to get done Yep Okay So, um that took care of the town and ministry report. We still have warrants to sign a bunch of other stuff to sign We have the letter of support to look at for anabelle acres. Yep So this letter So this is the one This isn't the one that you signed So I can give the background So eric and olivia anderson owned andabelle acres on horn and the moon road and jacob's road And i'm not jacob. So standard circle And they are applying for a regional economic development grant To expand their farm and offerings to the construction of a new seedling house and workshop space And they would like a letter of support from the town I was contacted Last week by them They were putting in their grant application today And they weren't certain at the time whether They could afford to wait on the letter of support until after we had time to address it at the meeting here so I offered to Work with sef and get a letter to them today signed by Him and me as individuals not on behalf of the town But noting that we were select board chair and vice chair, but we're not doing that on behalf of the town And um told them that we would consider this at the meeting tonight So in case it helps their application to get in something tomorrow Signed by the select board on behalf of the town that we can get it to them and it simply says that Signed by south gardener in this draft. We're supporting andabelle acres application They are active members of the community here through past membership on the local school board Allowing their unused fields to be hayed by a local organic dairy operation And offering the community opportunities to enjoy their land They have shown a commitment to bring the beauty of their farmland and flowers to the community through a variety of workshop Sons that pick mix and pick your own And we we support their efforts So, uh, if it's all right with you all them will authorize sef to decide Yeah, so I just made sure that when carl sent the letter in The original first letter the first letter first letter that he clarified That he we weren't doing on behalf of slight board. I mean Is this a procedural thing and I'm sure everyone would support the letter But I want to be clear that we weren't doing it. We shouldn't endorse it as What's that? I agree. No, we no we can't We can but it wasn't brought to the whole board. It's not so we signed it. We three signed it just from us And I just wanted to make sure that carl notified everyone That it was just from us. Yeah, yeah, but this is like does two people Speak on behalf of the whole flock. Yeah, so that that was it So does anyone want to look at that said authorize Seth to sign this one, which is on behalf of the town, right? So there's two separate letters Yeah, parallel to the separate letters. Exactly. We just want to get something in to help the people out Before the deadline. Okay, and but we want to make sure this was part of the file Which is supportive of all So I didn't make copies of this the do you want to see this? Yeah And zoe, I don't know Yeah, right Zoey, are you okay with hearing the letter read aloud as I did? Yeah, yeah, okay Yeah Okay, so I moved to authorize the chair to sign the letter of support for anterbell acres As drafted on behalf of the select force And when you're second, I'll second you will any further discussion. No, all those in favor, please say aye. All right. All right Okay Um, now we have warrants And I think that's it and we have to sign all these things Okay, so I was just doing that Now this Okay, how about the warrants? Let's get this going On on the January meeting dates. Can we just by the way just to authorize Gina to add the revised dates the 8th and the 22nd to our calendar Just by consensus any objections? No, that's fine with me. I mean that might work out better. Yeah, true. Yeah Uh This is why I'm for the sign the word What's that I can sign them after we should let everybody go. Well, that's a good point. Yeah, that's true close the meeting but Yeah, and then we do we have to sign the warrants and this thing we have to sign this errors and I'm Why don't we leave the meeting open because sometimes when people look over them the warrants They have questions. Oh, that's the expenditure for okay. I'm signing now. We're going to sign it. Sure. Yeah But there's a bunch of this is three places to sign What? I'm only saying that's what it says right there.  Oh, we sign it on the back side On the back, yeah, no, this doesn't say town clerk This is signature select board. Oh, right there right there. Perfect. Okay. This is advanced select board in here Where do we sign this darn document? Three places. That's all I can that's all I saw This is what happens when the town administrator's not in the room. That's true Even though she's breathing down our backs right over there Even on the television screen, even though she clearly commented or clearly noted where to sign Oh And just to let you know Go ahead If you didn't see it on front porch forum Michelle Rosie and patricia are all at the town clerk town treasurer conference for the next couple days So the front office is actually closed So obviously I will be there and listers will be there and the note on the door will state that You can go to the back door to to get to us, but um the front door will be will be locked I hope you're feeling well enough to To come in I'm kind of glad to be in there alone. So I'll do without a mask. I have not tested yet tonight But I am as soon as this ends to make sure to check it. I am feeling better. Just still not a hundred percent I wanted to say I'd like to borrow the copy of uh the town's copy of robert's rules of order until next meeting. Is that okay with you?  I don't have an ego. Okay, so Remember the um Curve cut has to be signed. I found it. Yeah I think everything did you sign it? The curb cut I already signed the curve. I'll just pass it back to me because I haven't signed it He's like this. So that's the curve that's been up. Yeah in three places on the On the other Sign it. I haven't signed it yet, but he doesn't want it back I was looking for sass I'm tired out now Someone's my bedtime Oh three documents to be signed. Okay, this is one. Oh, no. Wee wee. Oh, no. Wee wee. That's french Deb, this is how they are I'm gonna say I feel like they should have to hold up their signature on the you know So I can see it in the camera before I before I log off You are signing the back of the arrow to mission form. Yes. Yes. Yeah, we've already signed that Yes, I'm looking for where to sign this Barlow letter whatever the hell it is I guess is Okay, that's signed this is Curb cut is signed but you have to sign this one I signed that And the warrants I signed Oh, this is a good copy. That's much just be a copy right because we've already signed this Yeah, this is a good copy. Yeah So three documents to be signed. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think you could sign Oh, okay This one gets paper clip together Yeah, okay before we turn if you sign that one white white paper clip it together, too I One question. What about the e charger out here? Did we we were going to do something with that? We never did right? The charger. Yeah. Yeah, that's That's on me Then I need to contact the electrician again. He hasn't gotten back to me And I thought there was some deal we were working out with wash electric Uh, that it's ours So yeah, but they were going to do the install or something. No It's up to us That's wet What's that wait a minute what statistic are you talking about the the um chargers out there that they're not very No, those don't work. Yeah. That's why we we wanted to replace it with a uh, I've done one They don't work at all. You know, it's funny. I've looked at some different places But they've had those charges as you can see where people beat on them. I think because Killing it the Tesla one we can't talk about that after the meeting. Yeah, we we no we can't Business This is other business Anyway, I just wanted to know I see the same one over there. Nobody using it. Yeah, just so Yeah, I don't want to let your car. Yeah We probably be going somewhere else. Yeah, probably sitting at home and charging Okay, I move we adjourn You know what I'll second that We don't wait. We have to talk about it. Yeah, let's just


Hello everybody and welcome to another PMP end of month review. What is this? Well, this is when we go through all the end of month submissions in the painters motivating painters Facebook group the link for this group is down below if you're a Hobbyist of any skill level from just starting out to master. We'd love to have you along in our positive Constructive hobby focused community. That's all about helping you take your next step on your hobby journey This way in particular we host an event every month that event has a theme this month's theme was armor or vehicles and We invite members of our community to post there to share their work and Get some critique So I'm gonna spend The next however long it takes Going through everybody's submissions as always you can't post more than one thing for submission And review and I ask that you do include something you would specifically Like feedback on the more specific you can be the better Also, don't write me a novel Just little thing. All right, so without any other advice, let's get into it. We're getting into Armors, so we're gonna be talking a lot about weathering about panels and And how to sell the overall effects of these inorganic machines So this is Ian Stanley who's bringing us a sisters of battle Sisters of battle night So let's take a look Sisters of battle nights are something I certainly know a great deal about I've done many of these and It's my favorite one of my favorite things to do with with imperial nights is Make them into sisters of battle nights And you did a nice job connecting that giant piece of pewter I know you mentioned that the purity seals the roses the eagles things like this are nice touches. I You know, I like all the conversions things that work for me are I think the The heat effect on the gun is Is nice. It's a little too much blue You really want to minimize the blue Because it would be that that staining wouldn't go back very far. It should become purple fairly quick But it it's not bad overall. I like the marble effect the big like brass printouts and the various things you did are nice The metals themselves are really flat and this is actually gonna be sort of my main piece of advice for you When we look here at a picture like this, this is gonna where we really see it The the metals especially the gold because it's really the dominant metal here is quite flat It doesn't really have enough contrast and and even though this is a very Big machine that is to say this figure is seven eight inches tall nine inches probably ten and maybe with the little pipes on the back It's it's still a very small scale like you know in effect this thing should be huge, right? It's it's a very very big thing and So it should have the same level as contract of contrast we would expect from you know any 28 millimeter miniature, right? so We definitely want to to make sure that we're adding tonal variation that is to say Contrast of value into those golds. I've got lots of videos on that The other thing I would say is with something like this You want to make sure you vary the metals, but also it's a great chance if you're gonna do things like the The the heat metal on the on the weapons You also want to have some battle damage here and there big robots like all inorganic things don't heal And so, you know any amount of combat or fighting or even just normal use is gonna cause wear and tear Even if that's just little scratches scratches and basic grime It's a good part of any vehicle So those would be my main that would be kind of my main feedback for you there, but I hope that helps All right next up All right, William Thompson Says he focused on contrast and weathering using the weathering for contrast in some areas adding variety to some of the metals Like your thoughts on the pose and composition And then so let's take a look So he has reposed it to be in this very like down and sort of forward kind of position I think that's fine. It's still readable You didn't like move it out of there to the point where I can't tell what's going on anymore So I think the pose is overall fine The green parts of the armor as well as the black looks really nice. I actually quite like the way you've integrated the weathering I do think that sells for me. You've added brown and some really nice places here to create sort of Interesting really really interesting variation. So I actually quite like that Especially you're you're focusing both on interest in the shadows Which is a place you can hide weathering to make it more visually interesting other than just being black But in addition, you've also put it in where I would expect natural weathering and wear and tear to occur So around things like rivets and stuff like that panel lines where I would expect water to gather So yeah, now there's a couple odd angles here because of how far you've leaned him forward And you know it might be that in effect He's a little too far forward like he would be slightly off balance He might his like his front leg might need to be a little more out. He's he's in like he's his center of gravity is pretty Pretty out here, you know kind of over his legs. So it's hard to believe he's not falling over But it's you know, it's a minor thing. It's not the end of the world I like the the Images here on the arm plates. I think those really sell. I like you put some weathering over the top of them. That's good Opportunities for improvement. I think we could go a little be careful with your metal scratching I think we could go a little farther with the steel. Some of the steel is still a little flat So some of that could have a little bit heavier shading when we're gonna do little scratches and scratches like this on the steel We still we want them to be really really super thin So you need to get a very very very sharp brush very very very wet paint and you need to be you know, like really Getting those lines to be ultra sharp and thin, but overall it's a great looking piece. It sells for me. I like it way Okay, next up Joseph imperial guard armor ready to flatten the battlefield Does the camo work well in the models? What can I do to increase the weathering and where does the OSL work? Okay camel care sorry camo camel goodness sakes camo weathering OSL as our main pieces. Okay, so Let's take this individually. Does the camo work? Sure. It's fine You know camo is just an unusual pattern that's on a vehicle. There's nothing that you can kind of do anything Your heart can imagine it's good that you weathered over top of it, especially on this one. That looks really nice So that you know that sells for me the pattern is strange and unusual But camo patterns are meant to match to whatever environment they're in so if that's what the natural environment is sure it works for me The Weathering and wear on the models you need to think more about not just like you use a lot of sponge weathering clearly Or something akin to that you need to think more about Scritches and scratches like your bullet holes don't totally sell here. They're not dark enough They're not deep enough because of that shadow and they don't have enough and the light line is too big on the underside of it But they vehicles would also get scratched, you know vehicles that drive main light forward So tracked and wheeled vehicles right are gonna get scratches going like this like backwards along a side There's gonna be scratches going Directionally right because they will be driving and kicking things up and stuff will be hitting them There will be bullets that you know ricochet off the side and put a scrape line down there There will be things that grab the side of the vehicle and claw at it or you know, whatever you can you can pick your thing But stuff like that's what's gonna happen. It's gonna create those directional weathering points the other thing that I don't see a lot of here is Streaking and that's really I think where we had a lot of opportunity Especially on vehicles like this that have these really strong Angles right where you could be and rivets the combination of angular surfaces like this and rivets means that Water is gonna collect dirt builds up and then the drops down and it drips down and drips down and you get Streaks that build up over time. So something like oil streaking Or something like that would have been pretty great Does the OSL work? No, it does not because it's just too bright yellow and there's no darkness around it For lights to work like this like they need to be Weaker the light would not light up this whole thing right here Like why is the light shining on this thing that is not where the light would hit? Like your headlight Go outside and turn on your headlights. Does it make the top of the car right above it brightly lit? No, and as a point of fact, it doesn't actually do much of anything like turn on your headlights in the middle The day which is how you've painted the rest of this thing to be lit and it's not gonna do much at all So if you were gonna go for selling this lighting You need it like all OSL is a combination of a few factors You need a very bright spot that is the light it needs to fade slightly around it There needs to be a dark ring where the light isn't and then there needs to be a very soft glaze that trails off into the color of the Of the the main color that it is so it's almost like white bright intense color dark ring soft color, right? And this is just way too intense like way too yellow. This just looks like it's painted yellow It does it's not glowing like it's something that's glowing So you got to pull that way back Especially since these guys are painted basically like they're in a daylight scheme Like there's nothing that would tell me this is nighttime or make me believe that this is the only light around So because there's no shadows this light is way too bright and that's our general problem Yeah, so that's probably the area where I would focus on so there you go. Hope that helps Joseph All right next up Benedict Havens two years on my desk primed as part of the first 40k box. I bought him open to any suggestions paint it Paint on it as high high tabletop standard or above. Okay, and yes, and I know you know the barrels I Want to reread this and I know I know the barrels are not drilled out. There you go Yes, I will always watch to see if barrels aren't drilled out drill your barrels people. Come on It's not that hard. Just do it get the pin vice and do it So once again here the same thing with the lights I mean everything I just said is true again. These little bars aren't light So they should be dark like they should be creating shadow in the center point of line Because they would be blocking light We need more of a circle around this of not light And then this needs to be way weaker and these areas up here would be extremely soft if they had any light on them at all They're like if they're out in front of the box It's like they're barely out in front of the box like they're like this And that's this is not going to cast a huge amount of light up on on this area right here. Okay Now on the rest of the panel modulation, I don't have much of a problem with it You've generally caught the light in an interesting way. So as to your general tonal variation on the panels It's consistent. I can see the lighting scheme that's going on So I have no problem with any of that your sponge weathering you went for the metallic undercoat I generally am opposed to that because I you know like I don't know that these things would scrape away and show a Lot of metal like especially gray metal. You didn't doesn't seem like you made it super shiny So I'm okay. If you're gonna do sponge weathering and show scraped away metal Then it should be dark You want it to be like a dark steel or something like that because it wouldn't have been polished to shine It's enameled over. That's the whole point of it. It's sort of very industrial, right? You're not gonna polish something to chrome and then paint over it So Assuming that what chipped it away didn't also polish it that is to say something scrapes away the paint It's gonna create a sharp silver line where it puts its claws through or whatever, you know I think the real you've got a lot of that going on But most of it seems like it's in a pretty logical place like that is to say I'm seeing a lot more up front and in areas that are kind of you know facing the front of the tank So that's pretty logical to me. It looks like as we get toward the back I'm seeing less of it. So I appreciate the the the attention paid there I like the the symbols and everything you've scattered around here. Those all look nice. The the deco work is good the The metals and steels and stuff do look pretty flat a problem that I often see on vehicles You know, if you're gonna have your airbrush and you paint those metals on If you're because you clearly did some of this with an airbrush You know take that airbrush put in some Like a panes gray or some dark black ink or something like that thin it way down and just shoot your metals from beneath Right like get on the airbrush and just get underneath the thing and shoot the metals up from the underside It's fast and easy and it'll give you a sort of matter or shadowed finish. That would be kind of my main advice The other thing that catches me is these are a little too dark and it doesn't look like it's from soot So whatever the I don't I don't know what these things are on the side of rhinos I don't know if they're meant to be smokestacks or something. I'm not sure what they're meant to be but either way like they should have some kind of light on them and Then Assuming Lee if they if they are belching smoke if that's what's happening then there would be soot, but it wouldn't be this all Encompassing and it would be more of like a stibbled effect like because where like how soot would gather around the top of a chimney Or something like that. It's it's dust that settles, right? So it's gonna be a very sort of speckly type of thing. So you almost want to use stippling to get that on there Yeah, those are my main thoughts overall. It's a very cool tank I mean if your goal by the by was high tabletop you certainly achieve that don't no issues there You you're very much in that place All right next up Miguel Invictor tactical war suit aiming for a decent tabletop quality But would like to up my game to get to display Advice on volumetric highlights edge highlights quality of the metal parts and weathering okay, so the Metals start at the beginning metals need a lot lot lot more attention. They are flat. They are boring They are just silver. We need to go way way way farther So it like again, I'm gonna give you the the how do I go from tabletop to display? So the metals need to go a million miles farther integration of contrast of both value and hue There's not enough browns in here. There's not enough other colors. There's not enough shadow There's also not enough shine all of these feel pretty flat So we've got to just knock that contrast away way way up Same with the blue for that matter Um all of the blue is really lacking any depth like the weathering is over top But I'm not seeing it way enough Shadow especially on the hidden parts of the blue things that would be dark and in shadow the tops of these panels Where we're less light would be gathered but really especially here on the front under these things The edges aren't quite Clear enough on some of the pieces though what you do have like I can see here and here and these that looks really nice You've clearly got a very fine touch for edge highlighting, which is fantastic We're here is where we're gonna talk about a lesson Okay, when we're doing these kinds of scratches painted on scratches I Teach these a lot in a weathering class that I teach. I hope to get back to those Next year the very first thing I say is we're gonna do these scratches And I don't want and the thing that will make it look fake immediately as if you make them all the same size So don't make them the same size under all circumstances. Don't make them the same size vary the size I tell everybody that ten times and then they tell them to go ahead and do the exercise And I walk around and I would say nine out of ten students make them all the same size Because human brains like to make things symmetrical so This is the same size as this and this and this and this right and this All these scratches are the same size and there's no real logic to what's causing them. None of them have any variation They're not torn It's just as though like it's as though the same person went around and keyed this vehicle in a very symmetrical way If you're gonna do these types of scratches They have to vary in size and I mean really vary like some have to be like this and some have to be like this And they have to go at different angles and some have to crisscross and some have to be jagged and some have to be Ultra ultra thin so they have to vary on width on length on type on placement on angle If there anything else but that they will feel inorganic and fake Okay, so you have to turn your brain's desire for symmetry off and really like scatter them in a Random but logical way so that is to say there was no order no planning No person ever sat down and said let's put some scratches here here here in the universe of the model But they happened to where these things would naturally happen So around places where it would fight more where scratches would occur more right like what's grabbing the sky here What's causing these right scratches should be you know located up the same thing but with the contrast on the driver By the way, he's too flat The same things for the blue there Like this area would be highly damaged It's the front center of the thing right or this area of his arm which admittedly you do have it there But like some of these other pieces are there's no Logic sort of to how you've damaged it So watch when you have those scratches don't just make them lines They cannot be the same size and the white line needs to be a lot thinner by the way When you're going underneath and you want to tint it a little bit into the blue spectrum like those look a little too white You can start with white. That's fine, but then you've got a glaze Color over it to the color that's underneath it because it's meant to be a light line where it's capturing the tiny amount of light That's caught on the edge of the tear All right, so there you go Miguel. Hope that helps This is an amazing piece. Okay, so I'm not sure I'm gonna Alexander I'm not I looked over this and I'm not sure I'm gonna you much to tell you This is a 120 700th scale imperial to class stardust rare. It is 60 centimeters long Like these this is a very impressive project like I Go check this out this post out. It's incredible because it has led lighting and all this stuff he said it took him about half a year to finish and You know so this is like I Mean we can take a look here and and he's absolutely right that like keep mine This is all led lighting and stuff like that. It's just incredible like we'll flip around. We'll see all the different things He's done, you know, it's really challenging to add value to this stuff when it's at this scale because You have this problem that any amount of placed contrast will feel Way too big on something of this size so the thing that occurs to me about this and What I'll say is it does still feel a little flat like weathering is hard to do in this scale because you can't paint Things small enough and that kind of stuff and what would they weather anyways? They're in space, you know I think this looks really great, and I think it's really impressive. I Have to wonder if what we could have done to spice this up a little was to increase some of the Aztec in some Because I feel like almost what's missing like when you look at Let's see if we can find something. Let's do this Star Wars movie prop Star Destroyer Let's just do that There we go, cool. I'm trying to find one that was actually there we go Just went in the original movie Yeah, like when we look at these Models in the Star Wars exhibition you're honestly pretty close to where they were Like it feels pretty dead on To to the original things if you look at like some of the shots of some of the ships It feels like they've they've got here we go. This will be a nice one Right like you can see how they're using the extreme light in the studio to cause to create visual interest Which I saw you did in your picture as well and You know, I think that there's a little bit more Aztec in you can see here where it's just like those little variations of Light and shadow like I'm just changing the value a tiny bit through the Aztec in I think could be what helps Because these are also really big models and I mean if you look there's not like this is one of the original Or You know, like this it's not a huge amount of variation here, right as far as like what we would think of as traditional Tonal variation. So I think you're pretty I think you're pretty dead on You know, you could always do a little bit of very slight coloration on Some areas like just the lightest lightest lightest touch under some things that are really really hidden in shadow But I but I'm not sure I would I think this is a freaking masterpiece, man It's incredible like this could be a Star Wars movie prop. I think you nailed it It's it's a very impressive piece of work for scale modeling So I'm not sure I have any real critical feedback for you other than to say well done sir Well done time well spent you made yourself a truly amazing model Okay, Nick curtain Hey there Vince made this walking steam tank out of the parts from a guitar toy That I stole from my son and some beads would love to hear your thoughts on the weathering and how I could push the paint job further Overall going for a whimsical grim dark look. Sure. So fun little piece Yeah, so I mean it's definitely very weathered and rusted. I do appreciate your rusting technique It's really nice. You've got a great Separation there between like the paint and the rust good colors of yellow and orange rust and stuff like that So I think that looks Really nice now as to the the paint You know, I think some of the things you could use a little bit of What I would what I would think of is just like clean edges Stuff like that. So like everything is old and weathered and that's cool But we should see like some scrapes or scratches of cleaner metal here and there around the edges of things or on guns Or on just you know pieces where the metal has been scraped shiny almost like I was talking about earlier If something with force hits the thing and it's scraped shiny I think that can be a good way to add something that's got a little bit of brightness to it I Mean that is a heck of a crazy thing to turn this Into this well done my friend. That is a that is a Friend those people and people say wargaming is too expensive. Just is that true or you're just not creative enough?  So very cool piece man All right, this bad boy Emil constructive criticism on this guy largest project to date with over 300 hours of work put into it Sure Okay, so a lot of stuff. I read through all this earlier. It's it's pretty incredible All right, so I'll give you some feedback on some pieces the Freehand of the emperor up here on the banner I'm not sure what's going on there. I don't the yellow doesn't sell for me I like the base image, but I'm not sure what's going on with the the yellow or it's hard for me to tell I love the the emperor image down here That looks great as does this piece and this piece like these are you've got some really solid freehand components on here, man The oh that was my picture, okay, the So I like all of those I think those all sell it's really only the banner that gets me The by the way, I know you said you made the banner and the smoke out of I don't love the smoke being a big t-shape I'm not sure what's happening there. That's a little weird to me Like I understand maybe you're trying to represent it like kind of being at the edge of the frame But I would have rather like if you if those little wings weren't on it, and it was just a little puff ball coming up I would honestly like it a lot better The The when you banners I wouldn't make them out of green stuff They always end up looking too thick and not sort of like cloth It's just it's very hard to make to get cloth thin and shaped right out of green stuff If you need to make a banner like that I would highly recommend you take a thin piece of plastic card and you get yourself a heat gun and you just You cut it to a rough banner shape And then you just apply a heat gun and let gravity kind of do its work and you have a create natural bends It's a really easy way to make fast really good-looking banners Now as to the heat effect itself it mostly sells I could use a little bit of hot hotter parts on some of the bigger areas So like the chainsaw is it like that you got a lot of area where we just kind of go into yellow orange here And nothing gets hyper hyper hot it'd be neat if in some of the deepest areas here We had some hot hot hot like we do down here I really like it around the feet and in the base of it So it'd be cool if some of a few of those elements were really super heated as well The blue gun is very eye-catching But and then normally I would bust people's chops for for having such a super bright intense color just in one place But in this case I understand why and also I don't think it Actually distracts that much because so much of the rest of the piece is like bright orange It would be cool if you could get a second blue even if it was small like it'd be neat if this gun was glowing the same blue You know that would have been a cool way to balance it out Which is another minor thing to keep us moving across this direction But there's a lot of visual interest going on on here. So I you know, it's not that not the end of the world at all Overall this thing is rad as man Incredible piece of work something you should be very very proud of from the base to the the pilot to the all the green stuff Worked everything. This is a an absolute masterpiece. I really love how this came out and I think you should be very very very proud Well, well done at this This is what I'm here for this kind of stuff.  They are just a big giant palette You can do whatever you want with and here we see an artist doing something awesome. So well done All right, next up Thomas Started this is a quick project or this much entry we did more fun with this and I've had on any other models I just kept pushing it farther. Do you have any suggestions for me on the treatment of shadows? I found it hard to differentiate a warm shadow from a brown black grime, especially on the back left quarter and photo for Okay Sure, so this guy's real nice. I like this a lot I mean these nergal vehicles are really fun to paint because you get to go wild with Texture and weathering and stuff like that like a nergal feels our vehicles are admittedly a special kind of fun Now just you know swapping around this guy. Let's start here all this looks good This all sells to me the eye needs more variation in it So an eyeball an iris is not a uniform color all the way around It has shadow at the top light at the bottom because it's effectively like a gem in how it gathers light together So you need to you need to vary that look at Richard Gray's eyeballs in his freehand That's the best thing I can tell you like just go look at the master and and really really see what he has done Now on to your question. Here we go picture four So the the talking about the difference between you know sort of shadows and grime and the answer is Who cares what the difference is like that is to say grime placed in areas where it is lighter Will be grime grime placed in areas of shadow will be shadows and grime and that's fine You can kind of as I mentioned earlier, you know, it can be a little two birds one stone situation. I Quite like the flesh here. I think this thing is good. It's hard for me to get a read on Nurgle and competitions. It's gonna sort of be highly based on You know your area and the competition in general and kind of what they value in that sort of Thing like if they if there some competitions don't love really like love super rusty crusty type of models Some competitions absolutely do so it's you know, that's it's tough to predict with stuff like that All competitions have bias Just a couple things that stand out to me on the weathering is we're missing some orange in this and it'd be a great compliment to add Some more real color in here There's a little bit up on these spikes that I see but then like I see these heavily pitted and rusted areas here on these Kinds of metals and I don't really get the yellow Orange maroon rust that I would expect to find in there. So a little more variation. Maybe it's pigments. Maybe it's a dry Application maybe it's a bit of stippling. Whatever just a pushing that a little bit more is gonna add more pop and visual interest to the piece but overall very cool thing my man All right next up Looking for feedback on the gladiator I put a lot of time into the customization like to hear thoughts also curious thoughts the paint job first time doing it Have you what heavily weathered vehicle? Sure So here's the basic vehicle. Let's take a look here. Nice. Nice. The additions good good This is a great reference for people who want to look at stuff like how do I add traps and things like this? You know a lot of things are not actually super hard to to add on it's just cutting little little Thin bands and smooth them out and then applying them and now let's take a look at the The final so yeah, man. This looks good. I like the sort of I don't know Tallerin desert scheme or whatever it's meant to be but you know this sort of Color pattern I like I Think the it is extremely heavily weathered, but I think that the weathering feels Apropos that is to say you have focused it in the right areas. I do like the OSL glow here This is what I'm talking about. See how there's almost no green up here. It's mostly down here. It's very soft Right and so yes, this this is good OSL. I like this It's just a nice gentle light. It's not, you know This is brighter than this writer softer. Yeah, and there's a nice dark ring around the thing where it's not casting light The regular metals here feel pretty boring pretty flat not a lot going on with them That's probably the biggest thing I see as As an opportunity I feel like some of those should have been brought up even if it was through maybe more stippling and rough application and hatchy scratchy lines because of the nature of the weathering and then you know have some application of You know browns and blacks and inks and stuff like that to bring it back down and add in more weathering there the metals all feel suspiciously clean and Flat compared to the vehicle which is heavily weathered and dusted and visually compelling So that's my major challenge with the model, but overall a very cool work rich. I really like the conversions I like how it came out. You did a great job All right next up JD recently discovered hobbyqueen cheating and quickly became a fan Red green color blind I chose a red army because I like frustration. Okay volume shading highlights in the hole and turret The idea was a light was coming from the front at an angle Weathering and battle damage and of course generally back sure so our lighting is not far enough We'll start there We I have a video on panel modulation on the different types of panel modulation and what it means to you know How the lighting can can function on vehicles, but we need to go farther here We're not respecting enough of sort of the shapes and the angles and catching light along them Like I'm you can't this is off camera, but actually, you know, let's do this See this my wall right over my this is a wall right behind me. Everybody can see this in the camera Okay, see this wall right Here there notice how the lights are up here on the ceiling, right? But see this area of shadow up top here and as it gets toward the corner it goes down Right by the staff Shadow coming up here right That's so do those are just flat surfaces with flat panes of light hitting them, right? And you can see how the walls themselves are reacting to it So in the same way you're gonna have the panels modulate, okay? So that would be my number one thing go watch the panel modulation check that out now as to the weathering It feels like we could use a little more like sponge type weathering something like that smaller chips and dots We have some good decent sized holes and scritches and scratches But we need to bring in that small size damage. It would all I would also expect things like pigment dust stuff like that Just to add weather texture dirt grit grime Final thing when you're applying decals, I would go watch my decal video I talk about how you blend to them in because the challenge here is I can still clearly see the decal outline You there is a series of steps you need to take with those to fully integrate those into the piece So yeah, go check out those videos overall. It's a good start. Keep pushing my man All right next up Philip First of all Philip knows I love battle tech and knows I love full-size battle tech I despise teeny tiny max the reason I don't play battle tech is because it's because I don't want to paint a mech That's this big. That's boring and awful and they all look dumb, but this This this is how battle tech should be they should be the size of Imperial Knights this I'm into I am deeply Into this deeply Okay At any rate, this is amazing So love this dude The He looks nice.  That's fun The the weathering here looks good. I like the different, you know, we're gonna flip through the different sort of You know armaments and things like that I think the weathering looks good It might be need to be a little more directionally focused again same thing There's probably not enough brown and black type of scratching we've probably jumped too far to too much orange rust So here we've got almost the opposite problem as the last time like we don't have enough Brown like the nerdle model we had too much brown not enough orange. You have too much orange not enough brown Right, so we need more of the generic sort of brown rust weathering grime Stuff like that. That's that's gonna be here. I know he's on kind of a deserty planet But then if that's true if he's on a deserty planet I would also expect the blue side to be showing me a lot more yellow sand in between his feets and Joints and stuff like that so Those are kind of my main things we also need a little bit more panel modulation So that the panels themselves are a little flat more value more more panel modulation more variation of value So those are the areas that jump out beautiful looking base by the way, I really like that That looks super natural. It's great. The tuft needs some paint needs some some wash and some paint But that little green tuft is the only thing breaking me out of it the desert rocks and desert sand I think look really nice So yeah, super cool. I Dream of the day when someone makes a full-size or a print in general of the mechs that I want to print And paint because I am a fan of a very Select set of mechs mostly the 2750 and 3025 variants You know the Atlas the Banshee the Black Knight and these do not exist in prints that I can find For the right for the right variants, and I'm particular. I'm very I'm a man who has a very particular set of tastes So anyways Super cool. I love this more of this please throw a battle tag at me all day with giant size full-size battle tag And I'm there. All right, Jacob So dreadknot and first time having to pose a model this big when putting the kit together I struggle with the right pose at one joint and how it would look that would impact the next joint in the overall look So advice on that painting tried to make the armor true metallic green blue But I lose a lot of the shine when applying the color on top of lejo metal color chrome. I use as a base Sure, how can I bump the shine and still control the shade and highlights? Yeah, okay so let's talk this through um it's tough to tint metals and effectively what you have to do if you're so the way you need to do it is You need to Tint the metal when it's steel So what I mean by that is if you watch my video on like speed painting with true metallic metals, right and zenith all You'll see I talk about creating a black to bright silver Zenith all sort of from the rip in just silvers. That's where you start. Okay then over that you take one to two extremely thin glazes like through your airbrush or whatever of the color So that you're really just filtering the color and You're gonna rely on the fact that you've already created on the silver level shine and shadow To do the work for you When you have to do that little work as part of your additional layers, you've got to put on too many layers You're gonna kill a shine So that's my advice there now as to the posing I mean sometimes it can be tough My best advice is you know kind of learn as you go along with when you do more of these I mean I People screw up poses the first time a big monsters. I don't know there was a great way to do it You can try like blue tacking things together And then just see how you kind of build out the pieces or dry fit them and stuff like that But I'll be honest. There is no great way and so Those would be my pieces of advice for you also with this type of metal You can also sell it by then going in and re-scratching it and revealing metal underneath Non-tinted metal underneath so screeches and scratches here is where you can reveal like a steel color or something Or having a claw mark in that's like steel But then there's a bright silver line on the bottom Something like that is where you can sell that and that will rip that will put the metal idea back in everyone's mind in a big way so There you go. Hope that helps What we have a cheese on a map there, okay? All right, so two more left here We go probably something a little different to me at t34 85 and 148th scale So the modulated paint styles divisive topic in the traditional armor modeling community was someone who entered scale modeling from painting Wargaming mentors has always been something that I'm enjoyed. Yeah, I mean, yes, it is so I believe in panel modulation There are many different types of panel modulation of That is to say you can have it be more traditional zenithal you can have it be panel to panel You can have it be up lights down lights There's there's a hundred ways to do it and and scale modelers are a stodgy bunch of people who believe that realism means making things in one particular way and That's not an insult to their community. The scale model community has been doing it longer than us and better than us But they have a very as a sort of collective group, you know an idea of what is traditional scale modeling and My answer is there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not the only world I love highly over accentuated contrasts and panels and or zenithal schemes or whatever like I said there's lots of different lighting schemes you can do and and Their art like this is an artistic pursuit None of this is realistic none of it Because realism is a nonsense concept You were we're like if we were really concerned with realism We would ask all sorts of important questions like is it cloudy? Is it sunny? What's the lighting addition like because this tank would look vastly different and have vastly different lighting if it was noon on a sunny day Versus 7 p.m. On a cloudy day Okay, versus The golden hour when the bright sun in the sky and it's kind of and there's it's a bit red, right? Versus moonlight would make the tank look very different. What's realism realism is capturing the light in an interesting way because there is no platonic form of light of a model it doesn't exist absent its Surroundings and avoid like we take pictures of them. They exist in a world that is occupied by light and color, right? So the I say that to say whatever you find compelling is correct Okay, and don't let anybody ever tell you otherwise as long as it's a coherent artistic expression Then it's fine Now as to this guy. I think this is super cool. I like it I think you've modulated the panels in a pretty minor way, honestly I'm like you didn't go huge in on it. So that works for me nice very nice collection of weathering here I love love where you have collected the weathering and rust patterning that looks extremely natural to me Right along the panel lines in these depressions at joint metal joins. Yes Molto bene on that around rivets and things like that. It's fantastic that the Handles and stuff like that that people would be regularly grabbing Feel more more weathered because they've had, you know, human hands scraping them constantly. So that's a great touch Just a lot of little elements to this. I quite like I think this is a fantastic Tank, I think your your weathering is really what stands out to me the numbers look a little too clean They feel like they don't have enough of the streaking or dots or they're not broken up quite enough That's like the 341 in the circle here It didn't feel like it it feels like it was put over the weathering when it should be the other way around like the weathering and scratching Should be happening on top of it.  I've got a couple different vehicles on weathering Vehicles I would check those out because I feel like in this kind of scale It can be cool a cool way to break it up and you know when your hand painting a vehicle like this It's tough to modulate and then panel modulate shadows. You could always try a little bit more It needs more contrast of value, but I think you could also achieve a lot of that through Through contrast by of hue through the weathering and stuff like that So some chips some scratches some rust some streaks things like that is what I would look to So I hope that helps the lint Alright, so there we go. That brings us to the end of this month's review Thank you all to everybody who submitted as always if you'd like to join us check out the link below And you can you just have to click that you must answer all three questions If you don't answer all three questions, you will not get in the group But as always I very much appreciate everybody who submitted. Thank you to everyone if you're out there Watching this in your part of the PMP. 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