lear it together while saving the town Absolutely movie's pretty funny. I actually It's not I I feel like the simpson movie is the best line to draw from when we've we've sank too far Well, because the simpson movie was written by a lot of the alumni a lot of the uh, Yeah, like it's once you're done with simpson movie. It's like you should probably stop there Yeah, that's a good place to end.  What was it the 59th street bridge? It's like maybe it's collapsed on its own We can't take that chance. You always say that I want to take a chance Collapsed on its own you you have 72 hours. It's just the pot when he he grasps like flame throne It's like if you would kill someone on your way out, it would help me a lot He's so chill and he's so nice to Hey homer you missed it out here I think I think it was the big thing was that even though he was up to his villainy He always really cared what was going on with harma and give him the time of day to see what Which is why we like him because homer deserves some friends Because he's a nice guy, okay I'll remember mr. Bons.   He's supposed to die Mr. Bond Now for any as much as we could continue to reminisce about symptoms We've got some drawings to see get it our simpsons reference of the episode with no banana kratos What is this banana kratos? You can get bananas in there without it bleeding very true I hate that I had like amazing atheists So You drew an armband Oh god, yeah, we're the new year one minute over happy new year This is this is it happy new year britain. This is your animation I mean, I don't know. I think my weird rhinoceros Hitler looks looks pretty good I didn't think that we'd start out the new year with an amazing I'm just gonna say didn't have that on my bingo card for What are you supposed to do with the banana if you don't stick it in your ass? Like you could you could eat it.  Yeah I'm pretty sure the guy does just disappears to the side. Well, that's good. That's an animation I don't know why his eyebrow has gotten so crazy He used some of that he used crisco Oh, he dies of course. Oh, he hits the wall. Oh, yeah I did not interpret that as him hitting the wall. I interpreted him as going away. Oh, yeah, me too Let's get him go away. Bye. This is gonna be an actual animation. I'm not ready for this He hits his head but keeps going.  I guess those motion lines really Nice, yeah, I put the tree and stuff in the background so that you've got yeah He got is that hair or clouds Apparently it's hair that turned into hair Okay, all right, this is kind of Okay That one's an eldritch horror What was that? Just kind of escaping an explosion. Yeah, when he hits the cloud he takes off cool guys don't look at explosions So true. My dude There you go. Here we go. What could possibly happen? Okay, I I get the last one on this one. I didn't know what was going on Okay, he's still thinking about it. That's fair. That's it. It's unclear what his momentum is Yeah, right now it is those clouds. What what happened? Oh, that doesn't look like a sure jump No, he was doing so he didn't make it rags. He did not make it. This is a point about This is a point about ambition. This is making grand points about ambition Don't have any. No, it's about a false sense of ambition That's what this game is This game is a false sense of ambition His jump was just so bad that he went Oh Didn't bite in the clouds froze Guys, we all work together to make the animation. Are you proud? I could have done better. How come he's always end in death or fisting? They always ended death. I mean That's the story of the human experiences. I even okay. I might But why do they had to death? I didn't have a Oh, oh, so now it's bad to portray. Oh There it was Freeing his soul. That's a twist. He's going to heaven boys Going to heaven. Oh, no, he's coming after the night He's charging up The man in his head all along it's clearly his spooky ghost that chases him Guy with bowl it's throwing a little ball. Oh, it's already going really far. Okay. Bye ball. Oh nice Okay The guy isn't important anymore. It's really about the ball story. Yes, it's the story of a ball It was a flashball It was a bomb Why I don't understand why but who did this for what reason? Why is there a face now? Is that a duck?  Oh, was it an egg that he threw it was an egg Was that the egg of the vulture that's so sad.  Yeah I'm not going to eat it. It's it's on its way to revenge that major this. I thought it was an asteroid I didn't know I was great. I created a monster there. Jesus. I'm so sorry Yeah, mel you thought you could get away with throwing a ball. Well, no What decides what the art is the artist's intention or what the people see? Yes Speaking of which john's image Yeah, yummy delicious cookie. No, it could be a giant eating a planet Which planet is that that looks like the moon to me? Well, it could be a planet with lots of craters Maybe that's earth eating the moon.  Oh Is it gonna get in there munch? Ain't that cookie yum?  It looks great. It looks like he may have bitten off his tongue too We are the real monster Just wanted the cookie. What a day That's the thing man. This so this this is greed. This is what this is.  What's the punishment for gluttony?  All right pikachu This is the mra pikachu All right, I want to say in my defense, you know, I could make it into fill it But I couldn't fill it considered going the other direction but carrying on that direction Now it's getting ready to lick I love pikachu licking. That's crazy praising the lick. It was going up by the time I fly upwards What's going on Oh god, it's just getting longer Is pikachu terra flying? There's just no legs. What is that? It looks like a nuclear cooling tower Oh, no, is pikachu a nuclear cooling tower. I didn't I didn't know about that evolution This looks like an owl house stretch Maybe it is you don't know Wait, what's an owl house other than the obvious? Yes, I was where owls live, but where There's a tv show called owl house. What's it about owls? It's about a witch in another world and there's like a house that's got an owl It's like stretching. It's hard to explain. Okay. It's fair enough. Well, you did a good job trying Mark the cyborg I just This is ragu looking down now looking back up because he picked up his gun Let's his guns clearly a gun. I'm gonna shoot in the gun.   That's what we call a story. Okay I think there's a scene missing in this someone thought they could sneak up on rags while he was doing his duty Look what happened There is only there is only one frame in which that stick mat is confident. Let's just put it that way I can turn around on a dime. Yep And the final A guy having a smoke at a bar All right, he's that's similar I don't what's changing here. What's happening? I was trying to make the smoke move and Oh, he's lifting something up I don't know what it is, but it looks like a box with glue Okay A little puff a little puff Still holding up that thing Oh, the table's breaking He is not as confident as It looks like a mid 90s rap video Smoking kills What mid 90s rap video looks like that? The last shots like all of them's I view uh fish. I want dude every one of them looks this way This is Jerome acquies virtual insanity Yeah, I will go pee. All right.    What's the point of that one?   We get that anyway So then they've got one that's like You you you get it's like limited time in reverse as in you draw something simple And then the next person has to complement it and complement it and complement it that could be kind of something That could be fun as long as we start off. Well Try it well to be honest with you. I don't know if we want to be Risking as opposed to just playing. Oh, no, I meant the heart one Uh There you go. I I did the right one So my emojis, but uh, oh, I love I know I never mind But like normal seems to be the most successful for the ratio of time for laughs, I would say Is there any disagreement on that? I'm also a bit racist, isn't it you can't call them blobs Moriarty I didn't know I'm sorry Well, you not knowing Is kind of like the point you need to know let us let us outro Be long bone who needs to do some editing of what are going to be very entertaining videos? I am certain so Happy new year soon enough for you Happy new year to you to you guys too See you when another shitty movie comes out and we invite you to come chat about it Yes, may your wings be forever dank and your um floor be forever flat Indeed Bye Yeah, I'm gonna take this opportunity to jump out as well. I gotta get ready for uh new year's thing You have to go somewhere You had a whole year to prepare for the yeah Did was this a surprise to you it ends eventually your happens every same day We're having company. I gotta company friends Well, it was a plazia to have you sir and we'll catch you whenever we do dang dig diddly dang dang Thanks a lot for having me. Hope you have a nice holiday. Hi John new year everybody. Why are you? My friends Yeah G Goodbye and good luck. So many letters, isn't it Leave some for the rest of us. Am I right? It'll come and Was coming what come and uh, or Who has more letters metal or mark? Um It's And uh, yes metal commander has one more letter than mark the cyborg get wrecked finally a w foot of german Let's go. I guess you have to add a different name on battle net as well, huh? Well, we can take a form of an intermission and do the other thing was supposed to do according to the title Which is talk about the best and worst things that happened in 2022 For media here here to the days of this year because the thing is we've got a bunch of people here And who knows what everyone here even saw and what their opinions may be? I don't know what I saw. What did you see?  Hey, we saw interstellar. We did Yeah I saw that movie for the fourth time. That was such a cool movie wasn't it regs. It was very cool.  That's right He's got so many amazing things like bookshelves. He saved humanity. What have you done lately? Little girl's brains Yeah, he saw a lot of a little girl's room It's kind of weird if you have to travel across the galaxy to freely look into little girl's rooms I don't I don't know It's weird as a fifth dimensional beings from the future facilitated that of all things, you know I don't know. I don't know if I would go through that kind of effort To look in a little girl's room. It's weird. It's a weird film with weird ending and a weird beginning It does make it significantly less weird when the little girl's your daughter though Oh, I think it does. I think it's weird Is that bull weird or? I mean You're at least you have a reason to If it's for the purpose of communicating with her even if it's yeah rags You didn't include that it was a communication across time and space with the theory of gravity control Way more weird if you just showed up in a random little girl's room and started trying to talk to her with the power of love Hey, hey It's the power of gravity fueled by love idiot Don't take love well Uh, what was what was the other thing that came out? Uh, she was this year remember that one We had Matt Damon and then we had In the dragon Matt Smith Damon Targaryen Matt Damon Targaryen. Oh, you're right had Damon's We had two daemons this year. Well, how's the dragon was neat. It was a neat little show. Yeah How's the dragon was good? Do you know Matt? I hasn't seen it yet.  He is right now I'm sorry Okay, fine. Sorry George had a bit of redemption arc this year like the elden ring was good House the dragon was good. Well people I remember when elden ring came up How much of this is even George? Who knows because it's as you dig into the lore. It does get pretty Georgie Is it is it though? There is a there is a lot of incest a lot of people with very similar names Legalize it On the whole family you can see his uh signature on it. Okay, but Who even knows what the story of elden ring? Oh, that's that's a better question because uh the answer Only nerds like me Okay, mark. I have a question. Could you tell me what is the elden ring? The elden ring is basically no. No. No. No. No. No. Don't say it like don't say it like that. Just say elden ring Oh The elden You mean tell me what what's the right? Your parameters are far too confusing for the average human basically It's um, it's a a plesiosaur that is kind of an elder god. Yeah, obviously Just call me takes the form of ring. He told you a polisiosaur I don't even know that word.  Oh the the last boss of the game. Yeah, so the elden ring is a plesiosaur I mean like in simple terms. Yes. I thought it was the elden beast. I think you just made that up The elden beast is a polisiosaur. The elden beast is the physical form They didn't call it a polisiosaur because don't pronounce polisia penisaur Penisaur is my favorite pokemon.  You fought millennia too, right? Isn't there a move in pokemon called scary eyes? What if penisaur had scary eyes? I don't want to look at someone's scary eyes. I don't look at friendly fun eyes. Oh, no constrict. What if penisaur had that?  That's even worse Scary face and scary eyes. Oh my god.  What did everyone think of pokemon this year? I don't know No, I decide I'm not a babby anymore. I'm sorry. Wow From what I've heard I already played pokemon. I think the first one that came out this year was all right And then the second one was an absolute disaster kind of scary face Oh, yeah, because the the arceus one Come Mr. Mime is a terror on the pokey world A lot of them that kind of terrors you guys told us about him Mr. Mime is also racist Wait, that was jinx. I'm sorry Wow, you canceled mr. Mime by accident Yeah, sorry, mr. Mime Twitter account back Mr. Mime is like going home in shame. They're all throwing rocks in the desk. She's like, no, I bet the other one Thanks, mr. Mime. Ah damage is already. Oh mr. Mime already killed himself Oh no, no, wait. He was just pretending. Oh He got me there Yeah, but he would be one of the pokemon that you'd want to give you a hand job though Which one jinx on mr. Mime? Well, I actually I guess both but I was going for mr. Mime He probably knows rags, but he don't even mime it. What's the point? No, he'd mime it, but it would just You're just gonna put it on there. It's like what?  Mime is the only pokemon who could speak without saying his name, but he's a mime so it doesn't So my movie of the year, I think Nice way everything everywhere all at once Holy shit that came out this year Movie of the year.  Mr. I live in the future.  Yeah Awesome. He did like Quantum. Yeah, isn't he your favorite douglas? That is like, oh god. It's that can he's like, yo, I'm Douglas um Arthur I don't know that one Me me and mel watched crampus. I think as you see That was a fun movie. It was fun. It was weird. Oh my god But the the the last bit kind of kind of fleamed it. I feel like it fell off a little bit. Yeah Yeah, it was all right The attic sequence was real great and then the outside at the end sequence wasn't so great Like you die.    It's like, yeah I don't know if the film knew but I cared about the characters. I wanted them to get through that a little bit more But I guess the point was that they don't get through it and that's sad.  Why would I watch that? Yeah Has to be happy ending every time It's a happy ending. What else do you watch? Oh, me and me and metal watched, uh, uh, the other guys Yeah That's still a pretty funny movie. I like that. It is pretty funny.  Knives out too. Let me guess. Let me guess. Oh Now Uh rush hour Oh, I need to rewatch that. I don't really know some ages.  It's really quite funny Like, uh, it's such a product if it's time because like you can't say anything that they say nowadays None of the dialogue would be allowed Like in the first one. Yeah. Yeah, because in the first one Carter's all like, hey, uh, what do I do with this here? Chinese guy, do I drop him off at pf chang's and shit? Oh, and uh, and uh, I love pf chang's and uh, what's his face? Um He got lee he gets he's uh, they're tied up in a truck and lee threatens to bit slap chris tucker back to africa Yeah Yeah, that they got this thing you come don't they want to make a rush hour 4 I've heard that they want to Oh, it's gonna be so toned down Yeah, I need to rewatch them obviously because they're both very old and you can't say anything That's the thing. There's so much to rewatch including me Rags and metal rewatch kind of the indiana jones trilogy kind of sort of Right that was real fun Those movies are real cool Okay, you know what I learned, um, I'm pretty sure everybody knows this by now, but the uh, you remember short round from indiana jones and tempola doom Yeah, yeah, he's he was way. He was waymond. He was in full love and thunder. He was goal Well, he was also waiting from everything everywhere all at once Yep Yeah, yeah, we watched tempola doom Honestly, that's actually what made me take notice of everything everywhere all at once because Well, it's like I was like, oh no way He was my hero when I was a kid somebody said there was four indiana jones movies. There's only three. What do you mean? There's only three. There's only three. Yeah, they made three. Uh, I remember they being About fourth one. Atlanta's like the uh, yeah They were gonna make a fourth one, but they never did They never did Processed of it right now Um, I've I've heard something about some clown thing. I don't know but no Never gonna happen What else with it? Oh, we me and mel watch naked gun.  That's that's what I conclude it Yeah Am I the only one who watched chainsaw man, you are you're like an animal Oh, yeah, yeah, you would watch. Yeah, but I haven't watched it because of All credibility gone in an instant The fan base on spirit is just so annoying about it. I just can't What anime have you watched recently? Uh, anything good? Um dead runners was this year or two? I liked that I really heard good things about it. It's pretty good. It's not that long You can give it a go fringy. You said it was so good. You didn't even finish it, right? Um, well, I didn't uh, I didn't finish it. No, that's nine 20 minute episodes That is a lot to ask you're right. That is a lot to ask I'd actually say I'd need some more episodes to make it even better because you can't you can't agree with that Yeah, because they the first episode Yeah, somebody needed some pretty bad characterization from the first episode. I won't say it for spoilers But and there's a time jump in the last three episodes. I think yeah, that was that was pretty rough. Yeah I I actually I kind of liked the time jump when they picked up from it But I it would have benefited probably from some interim Episodes that filled out the character a bit especially because we're talking about a show that had nine episodes I don't think 13 would have been crazy I think even just 10 would have been fine I just had a super check I'm gonna say an edge when it was mid mid. That's the one. Yeah, they say that for things that aren't cool No, yes, I mean the mid kind of still means it's okay. No, no, they say that for things that aren't cool Yeah, it's not cool Like you have to be a six out of ten at least to be cool and five out of ten. That is not cool Cool like the temperature or cool as in Well No, I'm getting there. No, all right Six out of yeah as asha nixon just put it mid It just means terrible people are just saying it so it's more agreeable, but they mean terrible That's how people use it. Yeah, people use it. They're like that was they found a new word and now they can't stop But the thing is they carefully they they're wrapping up the present of terrible in a little wrap that says mid So there's more acceptable, but they usually mean terrible. They're like People never say it mid is like an insult.  I mean, yeah, yes he was If you said Uh top gun maverick was uh middle of the road five out of ten I enjoyed a lot of it didn't like a lot of it. That would be fine compared to That was you I did you I mean, I didn't like anything in the movie. So There you go.  Is that the scene rags? I watched the whole movie after the uh, yeah, but he's talking about before that Yeah, this doesn't matter before that I walked out of it after like 30 minutes exactly. No, no, no you said 20 you said 20 I did say 20, but I went back and rewatched it. I had seen stuff up to about half an hour. So Oh, so it's 20 and it became a half an hour. How long before it becomes that you've seen the whole movie I Knew it. I knew it. Yeah, just like we predicted because we know you so Exactly. Pippo says so predictable See bullied into silence from his bad takes Give us another bad take dude move Oh, I rewatched the Tarantino's movies. They're pretty good. That's not a bad because what are you guys gonna do with that?   All right.  You're supposed to keep your clothes on First of all rags Only james 2023 Notely allowed to go into a theater and masturbate in his own movies.  Okay. That's between me and amc Wow, you would have seen you and all the individuals who had terrified of you in that cinema looking around Nobody was there, but it makes all of the money If you're if your first sona is a navi. Oh, sure. I was seeing I was seeing avatar 2 not babelan Is it still a first sona if it's a navi? Yes, everything's a persona these days. Hold on Gallatin though, what if it's a vulcan Obviously not a furry.  I know I know but they're they're an alien They're just a very human looking alien the navi though are a humanoid alien. They just look less human So you get in the first tone they have tails cat faces and cat ears. They're furries Well, I mean they're furries Furry adjacent if cat nose is right. They don't have normal nose.  Nice If you yeah, it's fine. It's fine. What happened?  Oh my god. No Yes I'm gonna. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna say it. I enjoyed it. Oh, no. Why wait, what I enjoyed it I'm not saying it's a I'm not saying it's like a very good game I understand that like, you know enemy variety is really low The quarter like there's not much to the levels and all that stuff I have a cup. I have a pretty fun time of the combat ain't gonna lie Well, you're supposed to not like it. That's what I everyone says that. What do you mean? I mean, I I'm like, I'm honestly surprised just because I found I found the gameplay to be so unbelievably bad Well, like No, I would say it's absolutely terrible.  No offense.  It's playing now like that. You said that clown It's on random Music started playing when you gave that take pretty quickly to make my argument Even to people who haven't played the game the dodge system in the game is agnostic of the direction The enemy attack is coming from and you will always regardless of timing perfectly dodge so long as you just switch to the other side I would agree. I would have I would have liked timing. I would have really liked timing It's like punch out if dodge timing didn't matter Well Speaking of blue cg. I think this was a good year for sonic I agnostic agnostic the direction I mean, it's a good year for Sonic the hedgehog too. I enjoyed the movie. It wasn't great Well, sonic frontiers. Was that even that really good? I heard a lot of I heard a lot of crazy sonic frontiers It was be fair. I've heard a lot of mixed stuff on frontiers There's people who hated and I've talked to a lot of people which to me seems to be not the greatest result for sonic, you know, I know probably not a good result for sonic. Do you know how Well, I guess most sonic games are pretty unanimously panned Wait, we're at that point for sonic had a good year if people didn't hate him Well, I for one Is this why shadow is a better thing because everyone loves shadow no matter what It's a cartoon character with guns Has there been a sonic game that people liked since sonic adventure to battle on the dream class like sonic mania? Sonic mania was the one everybody seemed to like. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. I mean because it's okay It's the most sonic the hedgehog game that they've made in a while It's just plays like an old genesis sonic characters, you know anything other than a to success It's so good. I mean Seven out of ten is like ten out of ten for anything else We Mentioned and be a goth the best actor. Yeah, the her like monologue at the end of pearl is really good What was I going to do with sonic though? I just trace it to the topic of sonic Sonic gets his one chance to shine and you destroyed it. There was another person who like thought she was good I was like, yeah, you know Oh scorn came out this year. No Oh Set rack several people have continued to recommend it as though they don't know anything about the like they're like Oh, you should play scorn.  Yeah, we spit on it and put it in the bud and bin Diane would play a roller drum Roller drum is really good. It's it's tony hawk. What's that got to do is scorn Trying to keep positive All right, all right, what what I said it was a good year for blimps Oh Was it a good year for blimps? Well, the good year has a blimp like the tire. Well, we saw There was a blimp in Raiders of the lost crusade He's nuts Everybody was pretty thirsty for the smoky the bear blimp. I remember that What were they? Water on north fires or Yeah, yeah says smoky the bear mascot.  Geez Surely this isn't a smoky that you okay. I'll post an image of what what was like a january In january northman was really good. Not that one.  How would they see that? Wait, hang on. Is this even a blimp? Do you just call this an inflatable? I guess it's just because it's a bear The bear has a conflation It's because it's smoky the bear looking like a bear. I'm sorry. Is that a golf club? He's holding it at this point What even are they trying to do? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, it's abby. That's a bear You don't get to rush this Very big he's he's got the dad bod, but the develop pecs, you know, hell. Yes, he does What happened 12 months ago? I'm just curious. I don't know. Do you think scarfucked syrupy? That's not what I was talking about I don't probably I would think his mouth is big enough. I can recommend the movie that none of you have seen All right, lay it on me him. Oh, did we not do we read it? Well, uh, the will ferrell ryan Reynolds holiday film on apple tv called spirited. I can recommend it. How's that a thing? Totally enjoyable they take the the the christmas story and they really subvert it very smart and I enjoyed it quite a bit By making it a halloween movie or what? No, because halloween's worse than christmas. So it stays a christmas movie And I remember before christmas. Whoa, I know we've had some pranks, but there's no need to lie to the audience like that Halloween's great, but it is Not as good as christmas. Listen, you know, you didn't need to continue after you said it was great. That was enough We did it. No, it was yeah halloween achieved greatness by declaring the truth I agree dude boba fed was a year ago. Oh my god I didn't even read that book neither did I we watched it. It was so weird Because I legit read books about boba fed that were better than the show called the book. Why do you say that? Like it would not be the standard. That's obvious. I'm just true I'm just saying it's not impossible to write a good story about a badass bounty hunter I don't think anyone was going to challenge you on that People were going to let that slide. Yeah, robert. Rodriguez. I will say the gun train was funny But then all of it was funny. So what am I even talking about? We did our uh, our our Uh, why do you love storytelling if I remember that we all talked about theory telling Yeah, yeah That was fun And then we did book of boba fed. Oh god, we covered a video called why it's actually brilliant. I didn't remember this Why did someone call that show brilliant? What's wrong with you? Then we go man like honestly like robert. Rodriguez friend, but like I'm a former film school guy And honestly robert. Rodriguez was like my my inspiration going through the university You one day could make book of boba fed. No, but that's the thing like I was so primed to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and None of the he deserves absolutely zero. I don't believe that he made book of boba fed and thought it was good Wait, robert. Rodriguez made book of boba fed. Yes. Yeah.  It was the worst thing ever. He didn't pick up the jetpack. Why? Yeah, I mean, he's a guy who like Did some medical experiments when he was like in his early 20s to go make a movie for like $10,000 in mexico And then ended up like bringing it to the toronto film festival and becoming like a huge action movie director The best friends with clinton turantino and then how did we go?  Isn't all masturbation self No, it's just incredibly bad and i'm very angry about it. And I that's my short reign That was way longer than toronto. I hear is pretty good. Yeah. I want my one Mexican dude's killing it We're gonna be watching that at some point. We talked about arcane less than a year ago, but I think it came out more than a year ago Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's true. Yeah, I have no clue but I agree.  He was no that was in the medley. I think because the the one we watched was about the security guard guy Marcus yeah, the one that you had a level of fondness for and then this video was like Marcus is a really cool character is very interesting to see how that all went happened Yeah, Marcus was a very interesting character. Then we had Oh What crashes in at that point is the twitch saga that was nine months ago Oh, was it the whole wasan thing? Well, it was it was our relevant and then denims and then Assan Yeah, elden ring and the batman were both sort of like around and then that just went Wow, so what is this thing?   Seriously.  Arguing that they're in the right. Yeah, we steal your content.  Did you remember?  And then denim's basically Went she's apparently pretty popular now. She's way more popular when we covered it. I heard.  No, but I mean She's not hideous, but I don't know. It's okay to say that stupid people can be attractive Denims is the chick who said what is hat taking pride in your work means She literally has no idea what it means to take pride in you Who said that that was a brilliant quote though What is uh, what are what are people's goals for like 2023? Hey, what are you doing? We're doing a timeline. You're talking about media Just barging in not having paid any attention. I feel like oh, I'll just ask a weird question What an Australian thing to do so upside down No, it's already next year for for uh, for me, so it's it's really the Americans which is only one or two of them here right now So We're the most important minority. Okay I'm I'm gonna give you a minute to calm down. I'll be back Yeah, I'm moller.  So he had to be punished and removed That's so we might as well end it all right right if I learned anything It's that we'll do anything we can in science to get rid of the blight and that's what he became in that moment. So You know only there was a way for me to spend 40 years of my life trying if Fringy starts getting to the corn That's what that's when we know that it's all over You always have to check your corn before you eat it to make sure there's no Fringy in it I really wasn't playing paying attention when I played What happens if you ingest the Fringy by accident? Oh, well you become a blight starts apparently Fringy can control your mind Shit. Uh, yeah, it's it's I mean it can happen. But what will he do with this power? I cannot say I cannot say Everyone will begin to become green I think I can trust Fringy to make at least a few of my decisions We did do the multimedia medley where we covered a bit of moon night and then never covered him again Even though many people wanted us to But we can we can fix that right now. It was bad, right rags. It was bad Well, uh, what was bad moon night? Moon night Oh, man, we watched all of moon night and we never got to talk about it on e-fat But not the last two three episodes. There was six, right? We watched all of them Yeah, but we talked about the first three on the media medley I think so. I can't remember that was a long time ago. It was it was insane that that series. He was crazy man Yeah, but episode two personally until we watched and or it was the best stuff that disney Episode five has like what there's like good things in it like legitimately good things in episode one and five Is was the rest of it just kind of yeah, it was how does he count as a disney thing from this year? Hey, it was on disney plus in canada, but I know you guys have hulu there Well, no, we just have strong opinions about canada Well, I mean we're yeah, there's a lot of things on disney plus that don't belong to disney though, right? I'm a federal canadian employee. So I can't really say too much bad about canada, but you know, we're We're we're vulnerable to criticism. I'll say that much Yeah, do we already gone? Yeah. Hello, papa. How you doing? I don't even remember when pray happened Was that what's our opinion on spinach?  It's fine. I was going to take a neutral position. I don't really eat spinach that much Spinach is fine. Spinach is fine. No, it's man. I especially It's not good on its own, but you can definitely use it.  Oh, we just open the can and Hop it out. Yeah, yeah, muscles get big, you know I think that was made up by some tv show rags. I don't think that's right The whole muscles thing good good source. I were on busters myth busted. I think they did Someone died. They so shoved like liches. Oh, hey, G. H and spinach. Oh shoot Yeah, I mean they got in loads of trouble though the people who made that cartoon That's what we call Advertising. Yeah, this is one of the first victims because people are going after marvel and stuff of false adverts It's just more propaganda from big spinach. Did you say propaganda? Two jokes in one everybody big spinach, um, then multi-views amandas happened. Remember that? That was a really good movie. What a movie. I kind of enjoyed it.  What part did you enjoy? What was the part?  Nobody's gonna disagree with Yeah, it's not fair. You can't just say you enjoy people dying when that's correct. You can't do that. You can't be correct Yeah, but dr. Strange didn't die neither did america chavez. So really what was the point? Yeah, that's a that's a yeah Did you like how she saved the day by believing in herself? Yeah, that's a pity Is that what happened? That is what happened.  Yeah, that's no. No, thank you. It was great. Why are you being so mean? Oh halo was next.   Halo was horrible. Yeah, you don't even need to have played the games Because I haven't really Yeah, it gets worse if you play the game wait, wait, should we wait to talk about halo until fringy's back from his little walk of Walk of shame. He's always done pouting. He's gone to find some corn. We gotta stop him to find some corn I have a question. Can he talk with that red nose stuck onto his schnaz? Oh Is the nose like a flap underneath all of it? Or is it the Foxy doesn't sound like this Is it all like he's got like a little transceiver inside the whole thing that He speaks into that comes out of the of a speaker or something I was kind of thought of it as he's wearing a plague doctor mask.  That's gotta be his face That's right is it moves in everything. He's got a very large nose and he's green and has antlers I hear you. I'm Italian. Oh Oh Well, we can we can talk a little bit about the halo show. Anyway, rice. What do you remember about it? I remember That they try they they try they thought they were so smart and they thought they were Yeah Petty and wise and they had so many things to say The more you are familiar with and have played the games and liked the games the more you'll hate that show It was like wow, there's just nothing good about it from the music to the Story to just I don't remember the music. Was it bad? I don't remember Well, they all I know is that they tried to poach the halo music by playing some of it at like the end Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to believe that the show ends with master uh, john halo In a robot taking control of his suit to save Yeah, that was weird I can't believe And weren't they planning to make more they are they are making more which means I gotta watch more of this Yeah, how are they doing that with john halo as a corpse found a way to make Master chief be dead and have cortana be the real hero. That's insane.  Hey all the halo fans. We got them They're gonna be watching this show for sure. They're gonna love it.  Oh my god. What was that? Oh, yeah That that was uh, not not accurate to the games. They did it way better.   Oh, he's technically an alien. Yeah He's an alien in terms of the writing Why did they do that?  Oh my god. This is insane to her in the past.  So let's bring in the people who hate the show. That's the logic and it's very flawed It has never worked. Hello Yeah, I could be talking about like almost anything in the timeline. I'm up to 187 of efab. We're heading to 220 eventually I guess what would you have your arbitrage?  Halo was so like that show was awful.  I think a lot of people just stopped Yeah, no, but like it's not as remembered or mentioned that came out this year. You know Yeah, I think probably most of the people I'm sub to not covering it is probably how synthetic man popped up in all my recommendations Because he did. Well, hey, it would be pretty difficult to be wrong about the halo show being bad. So you probably nailed it Right They were pretty funny I thought that most of what was occurring in the show was ridiculous, but you know I think I think we know We know what train that stops that is the Well, that happened this year. Well, we'll get to that halo was It was it was a journey and it took us nearly nine hours to go through the whole thing. Hey, that was ackman and John that was there Halo experts, right? Right. Yeah, you're you love a whole series And you're gonna return for when season two comes out, right? Uh, I mean, I how I don't understand what they they can do with the season two That's never stopped.  Like man, that's some pretty bold and brave, um Dramatic, you know, I think they'd be exploring Jesus Really, you don't say At least every single event that happens in the show venerates Halsey Because every every time that everybody doesn't listen to her things go wrong Sorry, no, yeah, but at least they weren't limited by the video game. So that's pretty cool, right? Oh, yeah, that's true Oh Talking about ongoing fourth like, you know video game adaptation cringe all the stuff They've been saying about the last of us show and like the comparisons to video games absolutely baffling The guy who's saying all these quotes is he just like not not aware of anything or something Why do they keep giving these properties to people? Oh, you know like video this is paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines of the last of us was different And you know, it wasn't people poking out people's eyeballs and stuff It's like no, he said. Yeah, that was that was crazy. He's talking about lasers out of eyes, right? He's he was saying nothing comes out of their eyes to kill people I think you're talking about superheroes Okay, like I don't know. I think he might have like his concept I could have sworn he was the quote because I I don't have it on hand But I thought it the point where he was making was like these are real people Not just like super people flying around doing things, which is what we get a lot of now Okay, everything he said is insane. That's not really Craig Mason. Okay.  Yeah It's not this is not the best story ever told in a game. It's a It's a good story that is told well, and that's why people remember it so much I don't think it's that the story itself is that amazing. It's basically like It's walking dead type stuff essentially Standard zombie movie things tough guy has to protect younger girl, you know This was um, I'm just finding that this was the quote about the pixels. Where is it? I know the quote you're talking about When you're playing a section you're killing people and when they die or when you die you get sent back to the checkpoint all those people Um Back moving around in the same way Um, and then it follows at a certain point they read uh as obstacles not as human beings in the show Such encounters would carry more weight quote watching a person die I think ought to be much different than watching pixels die That's it's not you don't understand. It's real bad. It's it's just like where you are Of course What about rewatching stuff?  It's all Yeah, that has nothing to do with how emotionally effective it is at all Yeah, what pixels die. Can you be a little more reductive of an entire medium of art, please? He's talking about dead pixels on his monitor. He's got a dead pixel He limits it can be haunting. Oh, no It's different when you see a real person dying with the CGI blood that made our hollywood pixels Yeah, why didn't they kill the actor? Yeah, do it pussy ruined I need some yeah, we know the actor's alive So whatever it's it is real awkward as well because the article it was in the new yorker was titled Can the last of us break the curse of bad video game adaptations? It's like well arcane did that But that's Yeah I think you'll find Paul W. S. Anderson's resident evil films already did that. Okay. There was a phenomenon groundbreaking So good, why would they've made so many of them?   Maybe I mean, there's a good chance. It's gonna be pretty solidly made I mean, I think we can all agree that turn oboe was quite good But I think that's name same guy is I mean, you could say that Neil Druckman is also like co-directing I have a feeling he's just gonna be the like guy on set. That's like, yeah, I agree I agree. He wins all the time Yeah, I directed an episode Uh, maybe sure, but I mean, I don't even necessarily think he's that terrible the guy who invented the wheel probably invented some dumb stuff too Yeah, what if it was the same guy? Yo, what's the wheel guy and the fire guys? He did with the wheel and fire and then his son was imagine it was all in the same night Imagine it was all in the same night Yeah, man, he invents wheel and fire the dudes can get hella kissy Who's gonna be the more popular guy? Like pre-history Um, next big chungus, I guess in the year was probably Kenobi. That was six months ago. Oh my god.  Yeah, maybe I think so. I think it probably was pretty terrible. You sure it's not the worst thing It might be the worst star wars thing It might be the last Jedi or the might be It's hard to say if you The sequel trilogy are all in the running I don't know.   Oh, yeah, that's right because well, it's it's man I feel like uh Seems like Obi-Wan Kenobi was the point when people even like sort of the people who were still fans of star wars at this point Were like man, shit It took a while took a couple of months But that by the way when we talk about lessons learned something that I thought about a bit after 2022 There have been so many examples this year Of what seems to be the standard way that people respond to broadly like popular media Which is when it comes out everybody thinks it's really great But then they have nothing to talk about it, you know for like the next couple of months because It's actually pretty vacuous and then people start to realize. Oh, that was shit happen with moon night happen with multiverse of madness Um, but then as it went on it started to get less and less right with Thor Love and thunder and she-hoke There was like a not much fanfare at all Who's around to say something nice about Obi-Wan Kenobi like who's still around saying nice things about it Nobody It's kind of the nature of it right like there's no continued banter about all of the great writing Because yeah, what what is there to talk about? It's kind of like rings of power That would be a good example because it disappeared off the face of the earth once it was done that was immediately nobody can anymore Nobody talks about it It's just but what would you talk about about with that show? What is that to discuss?    What are they going to do with this poor thing and then it all leads nowhere? And so once that happened to only take some time to realize oh that thing that I got excited about kind of went nowhere Why was that uh, that exciting thing is you don't want to yourself to the canon. Why was there a sink in the opening again? Uh, that was one of the droids, right? Wasn't it the big loader? No, that's just a sink Think but what five thousand character. I don't think it's a robot. It's just a sink It's a living, okay. I don't think it was alive That was a weird moment I think it all caught us off guard and then we got mad as he's in three on the way Yeah, that's coming now Did we talk about um, we talked about rings of power? Oh, no, we don't know they yet. Yeah Oh my god, I guess we jumped over Kind of touched on it right now what we didn't know we do multi-verse amandas er said he liked all the people dying Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was great All right. All right. Well, yep moving on. So we go up to oh is that that leads us into love and thunder kind of In terms of significant events. Yeah Thunder Oh It's been that terrible. That's one of those moments where everyone was like well Somebody needs to be done now, doesn't it?  It looks shit more so than it should Based on how much it cost Because we kind of all went in there. It's like, oh, it's probably going to be Whatever story at least the character's going to be good and it's going to be funny But I think by the time multi-verse came out. I had kind of lost any sort of hope for love and thunder I think I mean that as I remember last year when we were talking about it's like, oh, it might be all right You know, taiko it's taiko iti. Yeah. Yeah Multi-verse it was the realization like oh, it's all gonna be fucked. Isn't it? Unfortunately now because like would you want to watching taiko iti stars movie? I'm like, I don't know I don't know that I want to now We got Mando right where it's like, hey, look at the storm troopers.  Yeah, it was crazy. Where was that in andor? Oh, right? They didn't well. Yeah, that's right. And I didn't do that It kind of tried to make the empire imposing and scary Well, like in the sixth episode to remain as vague as a can of spoilers potential Just like the team that is orchestrating the heist don't just over half of them die or is it half of them? Yeah, they a lot of them get killed. Um, I think only three or four people I think it's like one of the initial shots when everything goes to hell Hits one of their main guys straight away. He's dead. Yeah That's right. I'm no fan fan. No. No, uh, it's just yeah, he's dead. It's not exactly. Yeah, he's just shot and he's out. Yeah That's what I mean like It's the thing we've been advocating for for ages and and or like it's so unfortunate because it's just wrong place wrong time almost wrong Well, it's kind of it's kind of the same as solo is not worse than like any of the Star Wars likes it's bad But the the actual sequel trilogy is worse. I would say So it was pretty bad. I still stand by that I feel like people didn't even grasp how bad the final finale with the all this the the portrayals happen Oh, yeah, of course I think I think the point being though that it's kind of like what were solos abysmal like box office is the product of The last Jedi like very clearly. Yeah. Yeah, and or some more Upsetting version of the same thing where it's like and or suffers because everybody that they're surrounded by is just fucking around Well, yeah, because it can't generate interest based on its character its plot line its premise or its ip all of those things were done Yeah, because solos as an ip is uh, not in a great place And or probably what had done really well if it came out summer after rope one Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would have been fine. But now it's uh Yeah, I think I'm gonna do another another star wars trilogy All of the possible projects that they've baited over the years Is not happening anymore Brian Johnson's trilogy if he's recently even said he's still hoping to make it It's like man, you've been hoping to make that for like five years without there's been no real conversations. I would imagine Yeah, it was probably one time he and Kathleen Kennedy went out for drinks and she's like Oh, this yours is the best one that's the best ones in zempire. You're getting a whole trilogy Definitely just let us know you in Man, how do you how much is that franchise worth like? 10 billion dollars a hundred billion dollars They paid five billion dollars for it That's how much they paid and I it is not worth more than when they bought it. I don't see how it could be worth more Really, yeah Um, really that is about a high honestly I think if it if it does end up being worth more It'll be becomes some star wars mobile gotcha game gets huge and kids don't oh my god You're right. That's like the best thing they could do with the ip well I guess there's stuff to do with video games right where it's been more of a mixed bag As I understand it like a lot of people like the jedi pull and order like game Battlefront 2 kind of came out was not well received but then improved later But I think at this point it's not an ea exclusive thing anymore.   Yay Hey make good shit and then especially people went back to find the game was in a better state It was a lot more stable.  It wasn't Maybe you can get lucky with PCs the mass majority of what I first had like really big problems I I mean I had a pretty good pc. I mean back in the day Yeah, the the dark the batman game that came out. I could play that like it was one of the Oh Yeah, because that ran pretty fine for me when I played it back in the day. Meanwhile for other people It was an absolute yeah, but basically upside almost everyone else cyberpunk ran quite well for me But it was still like there was a lot of just fundamental design things that were kind of fucked about cyberpunk Like and a lot of them are world Yeah, and um I mean what I actually found in I I recently did two playthroughs of it and then made like kind of a An updated impressions video the edge runner update And the one thing that I noticed about it was that it seems that if If you just treated the first act of that game like prior to meeting The johnny silverhand character let the count of reeves character if that was fleshed out to be A good chunk of the game where like you really were encouraged to do things like run gigs and the side jobs and everything that you actually end up doing kind of what the Intention of the game always seemed like it was supposed to be which is becoming a legendary Edge edge runner of night city like a mercenary that that ones at the afterlife club, but that's all I did Fucking story sucked.  It's just a it kind of the ticking clock element of it I think really kind of uh fucks with the gameplay loop because You're you're kind of you're discouraged from wanting to go off and do side stuff because the whole thing is like You're gonna die any day now. It's like That's that seems to lead an hour of dissonance right there, right? Yeah, the ticking clock is a lie too.    I didn't say now I don't have to give you a reading list Okay, wait, come on. That can't be true. You never get about a story in a game You need a hug. I can hug you. It's fine. That can't be true, dude.  Let's crank up.  New Vegas. New Vegas has a good story Wow, so your statement isn't valid already. Nice. Yeah The first thing you saw get wrecked yourself Well, the first thing I saw I'm going through like a hundred games. I see one. It doesn't matter if he's You just said that was a good one. You said there's no good story.  You were hiding his takes from us.  I need to find out. What did you say?  I just want to play the game you said you said more hold on At the same time different different genres of video games have have different reliance on On specific elements with a pretty significant one in a lot of games being story Yeah, there's tons of games that you can play that have no story and just our our design more around their mechanics But at the same time to say that like all video game stories are are shit.  What does that mean?  I'll watch a movie or read a book. I won't play a video game Then why did you why did you then go through you like stimulus to talk about good or bad like stories?  I'll go check and I found one There's new vegas has a pretty good story. I don't see Game you even Like what's interesting about you picking But new vegas is arguably a game that's got 150 decent stories in it that have nothing to do with each other Would you like a story better that is extremely dense with several stories?  I just don't want that.  The hypothetical game that he mentioned Oh hypothetical. Yeah a game that has already theoretically possible. So you can just agree with the theoretical, right? Yeah, I mean on it. Well, I mean in the conclusion I mean like you're like well, what if the story was told really good and like you just didn't even need to pay attention to it It's like well, let's hold on I never said you didn't need to pay attention to it. That's not what I said through the gameplay is what das said Yeah, so like no cut scenes. It's all in gameplay like while you're exploring freely You can move about how you want interact with the world how you want and get the story at your own pace journey Is there an example of this? Journey, uh, you don't actually need an example though. That's the point. You don't need one though Yeah, I do because I don't even know what you're talking about like, you know that it's uh indicator of low Have you never played a game without cut scenes engage with hypothetical?  Um, you you gotta you gotta stop doing that. Like you just got given an example Have you ever played any survival horror game in which you see a trail of blood leading around a corn? I don't I like literally never played a horror game.  No, I don't like horror. I don't like it in video games I don't like It's one of the best horror games rating ever made so go for it Now is the time my friend a lot of people are pointing out half life has no like cut scenes. It's all in gameplay like an engine Um, of course metroid prime is another one that has like cut scene at beginning and the end of the game But like more or less it's just going through the environment at your own pace You play a lot of stealth games. You could just Well somo's pretty limited on cut scenes is hardly any Yeah There's a a metroid that's been infected with this this material called phazon And that character becomes this thing called metroid prime that um, eventually kind of turns into a clone Throughout the trilogy and an example that that I think is worthwhile a metroid prime is when you find out the operations of the space pirates And then like you gather a lot of information about their presence on our tell What it's telling for right?   It's something that video games are uniquely Positioned to environmental storytelling And what if I have the option to take the story at my own pace then I'll just ignore it But I mean that's what I mean. I feel like it takes you so bad.  This isn't a take I'm not saying story and games are bad.   I care about Is there such a game that has a good story without cut scenes the answer is yes Both theoretical I'm with proven examples and then you went but I don't care about it.  I'm telling you I wouldn't give No, you said tell me about a game that is a good a good story that doesn't have cut scenes.  It's not a take saying that I don't like horror movies is not a take No, it is not it's just my preference.  I think this is wrong with horror movies I just don't like them. Happy new year I'm gonna hop out. It's been really good time The most I've ever given you prick. Yeah, I love you guys so much.  Absolutely.  What I was gonna say is it might be worthwhile to walk through the chronology of what happened here So I think your initial claim was that you hate cutscenes. That was like claim number one And then when we asked like could you like expand and clarify claim number two is I've never played a video game with a story I gave a fuck about did I say did I say absolutely 100% never zero or did I say I don't think I've and then I cut myself off and said oh disco elicium maybe And then I said new vegas so I've played hundreds of games and I could think of two Like I don't I don't understand. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it I just don't like it I know but I think I've been trying to explain the contention that we have with it would be Because I'm I'm setting forth the premise the the medium you're most passionate about is film correct Yeah, okay, so it would similar to saying like well I don't ever want to give a shit about the cutscenes in a game would be like saying Hey, what's your favorite film score?  Stop stop stop stop. Are you trying to understand what my point is?  Well, I'm just trying to stop you from retconning the conversation. There's a reason why I'm not retconning the conversation Yeah, it was you gave the challenge of what is a game that has a good story that doesn't have any cutscenes That was the challenge. Even it. Okay. Even if I see that that doesn't mean that I'm asserting that there are none That isn't what I'm saying.  Okay, hold on You know what? I wasn't right about that.   How does that just prove anything that I said? Well, but that's that's not what happened though. Did I did I at any point say there's something wrong with Stop stop stop stop. Let me talk.   Yes, we did. Yes, we did So you presented something that I care about No, sorry If you said that you hate cutscenes and that like that seems to be a big barrier in terms of your enjoyment of a game Like and whether or not you'd want to engage with a story if you get presented with examples of games That don't have cutscenes to tell a story. How can you not factor that into your assessment?   You should have just said I don't care about story and video games full stop The cutscene was the point Like that's It's very relevant. Yeah if cutscenes were the point then the environments with storytelling is Let's just let's make this very simple. Do you have a problem with me not liking storytelling in video games? Is there something wrong with the fact that I don't like that? Maybe it's just that we Yeah, that's where we started and we dug into it. We got to the cutscenes thing If if it feels like you're not giving like a whole medium a chance to potentially impress you with storytelling Like I'd say my yeah, I don't play video games for 30 years. What are you talking about? But if and We haven't known you for 30 years. We're going off what you're telling us But but also like if you say in that time that there's like not a single story that you cared about except like one or two examples I'm not really sure like that does feel like a case if you're not really giving them a shot Because it's like I've talked to people who don't like violent movies and they've been watching movies for 60 years It doesn't like they're not they just don't like it. It's like saying I don't like stories and movies I mean there's people who don't like movies If someone doesn't like movies and they've seen a bunch of movies, they just don't like them I think that there was a substantive difference between somebody saying I don't like video games versus I don't care about like stories and video games Because it's like that just seems like bizarre, especially when your complaint was about cutscenes I'm saying that I'm expressing a preference. I never made a descriptive claim about something being bad Or a prescriptive claim about the way video games should be made I just expressed a preference that I don't care about storytelling and I hate cutscenes Because what I want to do is play the game. I don't care about the stories. That's all I said at any point What is that? What is that? Have you ever played a game with the good story without cutscenes and you said give me an example as if it's not possible Hey, and then we did that's it. Okay, again, that's the part that I'm stuck on. I don't care about that opening foundation I was on that part. I'm asking for you. I'm I'm giving you an opportunity to be like Hey, maybe I'm wrong and you didn't give me anything that changed my mind I give you examples of good stories that don't have cutscenes or at least a minute.   I was just asking for okay. You asked me for the examples. What do you mean? Yeah, and I don't agree with your examples Hey Mola, can you provide me examples of what I like? Oh, you can't. What's got you You're treating it like a debate.   You'd already tend into a debate when I said it's theoretically possible and you're like, yeah, but I want examples Well, by the way, you can't disagree with examples you haven't played because you have like no I didn't disagree with them. I said I haven't played them. You can't just say like 10 seconds Sorry, am I am I actually losing my mind here? I thought like Yeah, I think you guys are.   Oh, I know you feel that way. It was really straightforward.  I didn't say anything about it being bad or wrong I didn't say there's anything wrong with you liking these. Do you remember the part where you said you need an example Not the theoretical. Do you remember that happened? How does that how does that mean that I'm impugning Something about we provided you examples Yes, I'm saying I don't like it. Maybe there's an example I haven't thought of that I would like that doesn't why would you ask us for examples of things We couldn't possibly provide it would only be you that could provide that. Why would you ask us for it?   So to be fair what you're saying is insane. I'll reconsider my position To be fair what you're saying is insane by the way just for the matter I just think oh, yeah, it's insane to have a preference. All right. No, that's not at all what I said That's what I said I don't I don't know how you've gotten on to this thing where this like should be a debate This is equivalent to me saying I don't like horror movies and you respond as though I'm saying that If you'd said I don't like horror movies I said why and you said because I don't like acting.  I have probably 30,000 hours in video games When you're talking about the need more experience I don't know, but I think more video games don't need to play Well, do you play a lot of video games now? But when you're playing them, do you do you care about like are you watching the cutscenes? Are you paying attention to the story or are you just figuring out? Okay? What's my goal for the next thing?      I get that you don't like them and I'm not trying to argue me first about er is not confused I'm pretty sure er understands. Yeah, I think I kind of get this point. He just wait. Wait. Wait. In that case er explain it for us Okay, so well, I mean, there are obviously two elements to games This is the story element in the gameplay element. He obviously just enjoys that one element and doesn't give a shit about the other Well, yeah, but what about the part where he said give me an example of a good story that doesn't have any cutscenes And were we able to give that to him that several yeah No, no that what we can I prefer how can we he's already set the parameters that doesn't like any of them I wasn't having that to me. So that's kind of a futile exercise Well, then why didn't he say that instead of asking us for examples?   That's all that happened I'm not letting it go this time. This has happened several times I'm not letting it go this time.   I just said that I don't like something I didn't try again. I'm gonna I'm gonna say this for the fourth or fifth time I don't I can't imagine how this hasn't sunk in yet I didn't say there's anything wrong with you enjoying stories and video games I didn't say that video games should be made without stories.  That's what I want to do in video games That's beautiful. And if you said that to begin with we'd all be on board That's that is what I said to begin with. I haven't said anything else the entire time Yeah, please back me up It's literally streamed so Okay, so what's the objection again? So he was complaining about the existence of stories to care about and we were like, oh, well, what do you mean?    It's like that's that doesn't help us at all. You already played There you go.  That doesn't answer the question at all. That's useless. He needs to go play those games For examples and then yeah, that's that's what what happens next is him saying, I haven't played those Let me play them and then I'll get back to you Did he say he hasn't played somer? although So if you're if you haven't had a lady arts, okay Yeah, somer kind of have cutscenes. There are areas where you know, I said I said there are there are minimal cutscenes in somer Yeah, there's virtually none. Wait, so I would I would need to go play the games that you're talking about to stake out the claim I haven't played enough video games in my life to have this position That's not what I said. I mean, how did how did you just take what I said and turned it into all that? You that's that's bored for a while. You just said one minute Don't play somer and get back to us. That's exactly what you just asked me for an example And I give you one you said I haven't played it.  We've been a mole to no cuts Exactly and I actually I said I'd buy a copy if you have me on steam.   I don't need to play a fun video journey You can play in two hours. It's not like so so again. So now so again just to be clear Now you're saying I haven't played enough video games in my life I I can't understand this way. I'm offering to buy for you. I'm trying to be super nice I have an Odin moment. I'm giving up. I don't think anybody's claiming that you're inexperienced in video games No, nobody has you keep saying that. Why would I need to go play another game? He has been playing games for 30 years Yeah, but here's the thing like over 3,000 hours from what I hear. I just expressed a preference The problem came from the fact that you had come out here. I'm here saying like oh video games Like, you know their stories. I hate them and stuff like that But then you gave qualifiers chances to like like them, but then you barred them anyway. So that's why people are frustrated. Yeah Did he though Yeah, that's why it triggered everybody else.   Yeah That's literally where the conversation broke It's a really simple area for where the conversation broke. He misspoke. He should have said Oh, I did not misspeak.  Sorry What I say, can you give me examples?  I haven't played them But that was anybody meant to know what games you played That's a Like come on, you know, okay. Okay. We're not in a debate.   I just told you I don't like something So when you said I need examples and we said the theoretical should suffice You said no examples and then we provide them. You should have said no, I need examples If what you're saying is honest right now what you would have said is no No, no, no, can you keep suggesting ones until I've hit one that I've actually played?  Why did you get sad at me when I went backwood to try and figure out exactly the things that you said you said that I was like trying I didn't get mad at you for going back. You have it. Again. I know exactly what I said There's again. You can't win this. I know what I said.   I think she looks worse. Yeah, but she-hulk's technically worse. Um, there's still renders both of them Yeah, rings of power is more fun to watch in the way that it was like to make fun of it, right? I think it was more interesting to watch for that purpose She-hulk was pretty painful. I I wanted to watch rings of power way more than she-hulk. No, I didn't I didn't want to watch either of them.  Wait, it was shorter. Yeah It was way, it was it was more episodes, but that was shorter. Yeah, wait, so which one was shorter overall? It was still she-hulk. It would have been she-hulk rings of power. Those are like an hour long When we had those like moments of We're doing the stream tomorrow and you got to see two hours worth of rings of power be like, oh I would agree that like she-hulk was pretty painful. Like that was a pretty frustrating show Rings of power was too that was it went on for longer I feel like rings of power had at least some kind of an attempted artistry to it I would say that she-hulk was more of a clown show I kind of agree with that. I would agree that's more of a clown show like it's it's almost I mean it's a comedy Uh, well Allegedly, allegedly. This is all allegedly. Yeah, of course But rings of power was It didn't even really try to be funny, did it? Maybe a couple of times, but like maybe literally a couple times or maybe the The comedy is just so- rings of power was a hyper dry if that would be one way to describe it That would be incredibly dry Yeah, but I'd say drying an interesting ish way because you want to pick it apart like it's uh, like it's a specimen at a zoo Um, especially given the fact that you know, this is a billion dollar project from amazon And it's attached to an ip that is just revered and you want to see what they do with it It kind of had that weird allure of I need to see what this is about at least it did to me The fact that the first thing the secret villain says on the show is appearances can be deceiving was pretty fucking funny It was fun for me for the she-hall coverage is like when I covered it It was basically meme joined at some point randomly And he didn't watch the show. So then somehow it happened that every time I covered the show meme came on and I just told him what happens in the story And he reacted to it. It was pretty funny disbelief. I assume It was amazing. It was like remember episode one and two was like almost boring because not a lot happened It was still kind of dumb in retrospect wanted to uh, they were but like I think that was before it really started to uh go off the rails Episode six was the worst one though.  Yeah mount doom. That was insane That whole episode was nuts. Thank goodness. They pointed it out though I think it's just that if you were to compare those shows I'd say that like Oh, damn. No, hold on. I need to think about a little bit more. She-Hulk was like She-Hulk was I think the reason why I say it's a clown show is because I don't know if I've ever seen a show that has been like so tainted by The matter like I don't know if I've ever seen anything that's quite been destroyed so thoroughly by like Being concerned about what people are saying about your own show on the internet But yeah, like oh would would you say that because I asked everything I thought you would say So you had said before that she-hulk was like the most insecure show Yes, it is I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, would you do you think that that And maybe I was getting it wrong which one you were referring to here But would you say that it was she-hulk or rings of power was the most ruined by the meta? uh, so I don't think I think it was she I think the fact that she-hulk made the villains of their show people who like criticized them on the internet Like it's kind of you know what I mean?  Like I'm not sure how much I would say that I I think my main complaint with like rings of power is that Maybe maybe it's a different one It would be that it's like it's a show that only exists because amazon bought the rights to it And they wanted it a rings like a lord of the ring show on prime, but as for any like inspiration for that idea Doesn't seem to exist Like it's it's a very hollow story Yeah, it is very hollow it despite its pretense that it's when people say like Okay, just a lot of writers of great stories draw from life experience and stuff Is like it really came across the writers had mainly spent time on social media And that's what she-hulk looks like when you have writers that are drawing mainly from their experiences.  It's like that's not a thing that is happening Like it doesn't make it didn't make any sense at all so, yeah, I'm I'm probably saying it's going to be she-hulk was most destroyed by the meta if we go back to that one I think I mean she-hulk is the worst of the two. I would say. Oh, yeah It's yeah, I think it's the worst one. I'm pretty Actually, I mean when it went into the Kevin thing the Kevin thing. Yeah the Kevin thing it destroyed everything um Yeah, it was kind of amazing to Judge those two side by side like damn Yeah, yeah, that was like a bad era That was a bad little couple of months there In terms of like pop culture media and end or slip through Yeah, obviously I was I was doing like the live sort of coverage of house the dragon at that point And that's that's three shows at the same time. It's enough to have that many, but yeah, andle was coming out too And it's like, I'm sorry man, but We missed you we got to you eventually at the end of the year though I think people were happy about that that they didn't squeak through Unappreciated Yeah And you know and and we'll be there when season two launches so to speak Oh, yeah, uh, let's just hope we don't get house the dragon rings. She Hulk and fast season two all at once Well, who knows if they're gonna make a second season of she was the news on that like they would not doing it Well, it's listed as a mini series not a like in the same way that uh, like what if right because that's getting a second season Right. What does wikipedia say? wikipedia says that it is A mini series which means that that would be one and done But I figured they'd want to make more seasons of these shows, right? I suppose it's always about like will they be moving her into movies? Oh, yeah, she'll be in the movies for sure. Oh what I mean is in in place of a t-shirt like not including avengers like I don't think they make a she-hulk movie. No, I think that it's uh, I think that it's pretty clear that the decisions they're making about movies and shows is simply based on like how viable they think Well, do you think like she-hulk has proven that she-hulk needs to be alongside people? She can't handle it on her own right now um Well, I mean in a in a world with better writers. She could have her own show. Oh, totally. But obviously we have what we have, right? Well, yeah, that that show was very much like Daredevil was a big like draw for that show. It just was um as well as I'm sure like wong The joke they forced Daredevil into that walk a shame joke and it makes no sense Because he's walking across the lawn carrying perfectly comfortable boots Yeah, and and of course he wouldn't he wouldn't leave but you probably wouldn't even left beyond date nighttime. You would have left He's daredevil Yeah, that's the thing like everyone would say like you don't get it, dude It's like no, no, I I get it.  Oh, yeah, you're you're you're like it's ketchup and And and like mustard that's like your color in that one really pissed me off It just felt so like why are you shitting on stuff that was made by people who had to like make this stuff and and like Like how many comics were they cranking out in the 60s and 70s like every week?  Yeah, and what's crazy to me is the the idea of like, hey superhero has a one night stand Let's do a walk of shame joke and let's invert it so that it's the dude The way to do that in a way that isn't just absolutely stupid Is just have her be in an apartment building have him open the door in a full-blown daredevil costume because that's what he was wearing that night And have him run into a neighbor. I'd be like Hey, and then leave like that's it's the same joke It's just not absurd because a man is holding perfectly comfortable shoes To prevent from having to walk home and heels that he wasn't wearing It's not the most uncomfortable shoes. I've seen in the mcu. Yeah Who am I referring to? My brain is like running through all shoes now Yeah, who is it? Well, I man shoes is probably be real uncomfortable. No, they're probably real comfortable He probably built them so that they have a comfort thing in them padding a little padding in there Funny enough, I actually do have a motorized leg like a leg that actually has a motor in the foot And uh, yeah with the batteries not on it Sucks the walk in have you given it ironman coloring? No, no, don't you mean mostly mustard? I mean, it's it's a it's a pricey device So I I I I don't think I'd want to see what it would do to the warranty if I if I painted it Damn it The answer is the the most uncomfortable shoes in the mcu or arthur harrow shoes Oh, yeah, because I'm lost in them. Correct. I forgot about that. I told you about it What a great What a great way Like what even was there It's so weird as well to have all that she-hoke shit going on at the same time of like A seminal like false start of a season to launch This brand new and long television series that's supposed to be Running off the success of lord of the rings as an ip especially peter jackson's lord of the rings, right? Like we kind of the hobbit is faded away. Well, it's like lord the rings you like that Here we go because it's lord of the rings the rings of power Which is not an awkward name at all and then what does it become they're promising? They'll be give us more action next season. Okay It's like oh What we needed it'll be good More action fellas. Don't you have two years? They had two years to make but they're already filming which means the scripts are done Yeah, this probably like got anything back. I wonder if there's more or less action in your filming doesn't mean the script's done fringy Uh, that's true. That's true. I wonder if by ratio there is more or less action in hot day I'll be curious to know huh, um You get the tournament and that's true individual fights happen here and there And the uh in the the what would they call the islands? Oh the step stones. Yeah, that's right.  That's not it No, that's not it at all.  Well, yeah, when you have gladriel running in to save brawn wind. I'm like what? It'll be fine. Unfortunately. Yeah, there's no way they're getting hurt. It'll be fine. Then she actually gets hurt, but She's like bleeding for ages brawn wind, right?  I guess they gave her a blood bag. That's probably it. That's called fake stakes Ah, fakey steaky with a ruiny oonie it Yeah, we closed out she hull gun rings of power pretty much at the same time as the final destination horror arc was happening That was fun. Yeah I was fun. That was great.  That was the shits I haven't seen anything past the third one, but the uh, the second one has made me terrified of lumber trucks Well, the second one wins for best, uh, special effects, right? And then Uh, probably because once it started against the like four was the worst or Yes, yes, and then five five was the one we were like, oh, I was a bit of a recovery Yeah, a little bit of a recovery four was terrible. That one was just total shit But it was also the clowniest They did the 3d with all I think they did some 3d in uh in five as well though Oh, they might have yeah, but it was really yeah, because that was 2009 That was the era of 3d I think it was even the third one as well because that was the amusement park one, right? Yeah, that one was a bit goofy. Yeah. Yeah, I I remember seeing that one in 3d And I think that was the one where I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't I don't need to see a fourth final destination But um, yeah two I do remember that lumber truck terrifying and I live in central canada. So I see that was pretty frequently Everybody was terrified of dining tables. I wonder if the strap is gonna break Yep, every single time I try to give that thing at least two lines if I can Yeah Even before final destination I always got really concerned about driving behind those vehicles with like a ton of cars in them I'm always thinking one of these days those cars are gonna like fall out of there and land right in their face, you know And I'd like every time you're riding in a rain crossover.    Do you remember? Yeah, she did. That's right because I guess that's how yeah, that's just how she goes Yeah, again, it's so hard by a tire that she like disintegrates basically Well, so it's crazy because Especially when rewatching like when the premiere was happening The only thing that I think is celebratory about the sort of special effects is Is a quick shot of her body on the floor and I think it was all practical That's because it was practical because that film was like heavily relying on shit visual effects But it's just like man, they were taking ages and it was the era. It's shown for like two seconds. It's like, oh, there it goes Oh, well, well, yeah I mean, it's the reason why I like those earlier ones more because of the there's more tangibility to it I mean, you could still watch. I mean, of course everyone references the thing is that movie. That's just Oh, yeah, you look so damn good compared to the the remake that came out like 10 years ago that does not Sequel or prequels or it was a prequel, wasn't it? Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, that's right It's a pretty cool And it has not aged as well as the thing has never You don't even have to Well, you don't even have to Clarify what you mean when you say the thing Everyone just knows you mean the first one because the second was so forgettable Technically the second I suppose because It is yeah, it is a remake It's kind of funny how that works because of course God of war for example If someone said I'm talking about god of war and someone else says like you mean It's like no, they shouldn't even be a do you mean you have to say 2016 if you're going to talk about the new one I'm drunk Go beat you up now. Either way though is I think it rags though is right like when people say the thing they mean John Carpenter is right, but at the same time. I agree. I am right. Yes often hear people say John Carpenter is the thing when technically that's not the title It is just the thing it's directed by John Carpenter is John Carpenter is John Carpenter is the thing by John Carpenter Yeah, I mean most people when they say the thing nine times out of 10 they are talking about his though Yeah, and then That's what I mean about god of war. It's like annoying when they do this.   It's pretty neat Although I still agree that the the title of just adding an s to the title of the first film is not good They should have said like alien zero It kind of works right because there was one alien now. There's one alien. Yeah You know, you can't deny hard logic like that I probably would have been the guy in the board in the meeting. That's like, hey, let's just call it alien too Yeah, but the guy Aliens made a lot of money though. So maybe they made the the correct call. That's true. Maybe Um After final destination, we hit right into black adam and Wakanda forever back to back Oh, god. Yeah, what is it to be said about black adam? It didn't change the hierarchy. Well, it kind of did because I mean It'll become a really curious movie in a timeline, right? Because people looking back trying to sort of get a good understanding of what comes next chronologically They'll be like, what is this black adam thing? And it's like, well There's a lot behind that of why that happened I can why nothing else happened after it was the apocalypse of the dc Well, which we're gonna find out soon. I think they said that they were gonna talk about the new slate in january. So I'm sure we'll see black adam on that which we'll see plenty of fire james gun after it Well, there's a There already is one has even done anything I appreciate the Henry Cavill should play superman and a good superman movie position But I also Really like a lot of james guns movies. So i'm i'm definitely not on team. Oh, have you sorry? You've just reminded me of something. Have you guys seen I've seen some tweets that were like shitting on james guns films how like every single film ends with a comedy moment Um, like there's no dramatic moment all the while pretending like so like for us to say show The guardians one dancing scene. I think with the guardians to it was showing the uh, the the pac-man thing when it's like pac-man Like when that uh star lord does a little pac-man thing and then for the suicide squad. I think it was uh when um Blood sports like getting his gun assembled and it's like, ah, yeah, see this is like lame It's just like comedy or like fan service or something Meanwhile ignoring that the actual drama the actual endings of those films were very dramatic all of them Because with with our guardians one it ended with uh him listening to the tape from his mom Um, like it must be annoying how them like watching all the fireworks and then the suicide squad obviously ended with them back on the plane They would never see super Yes, I do rain wilson. Yeah, it's uh Ending's pretty dark and uh movies kind of when it gets the happy part of the ending is still Sort of somber and depressing in its own way too But um pretty realistic though kind of makes the most sense with what happens in that movie But it is one where you get to see um a film in which elliot page, uh rapes uh Dwight from the office Yeah, it does I remember when I watched I was like, what the fuck is happening? What I was watching because I thought it was a superhero movie. It's uh, you know, it's subdued. It kind of is It subdued you a little bit in terms of the events It makes me think that if james gun just like kind of stopped doing dc stuff and that just took like peacemaker and the suicide squad people and Move them into a world with the super stuff that would probably Work better than those things even being in dc, but it must be annoying, right? Whatever director gets put against the people they're protecting being snider in this case It's like snider is so easy to spot in terms of his like flaws as a writer the tropes He has injected into all of his movies. He's he's shadow the hedgehog as a director, right? Like that's the part of his problem uh, and then I would say there's army of the dead being like that's when he had full free reign and that managed to escape Like aya we we've seen it and we haven't really covered it yet But like a lot of people didn't cover it at all and it's like that is one of the worst fucking movies that exists It was it was red ruin. That's movies is written by james gun Oh, I mean none of the dead. You're right. Yeah the door of the dead people people attribute to snider when it's like I don't know if we should be attributed that to gun actually And uh, I guess as well like because his next one's rebel moon or something How many people who claim to be like big snider fans are going to go watch it? It seems like it is It's really odd, but but I was actually on us. What do people expect in terms of like a new Do you think it's going to be a hard reboot or yeah, I think they're going to keep some people I think they have to I think If they ain't bringing back like cavo and stuff Yeah, I just eating everyone out of there. It's like Oh, man, they're gonna say cavo went to his home planet. There's a new guy coming in called super bad from a different crypt on two It's a different guy on two Well, because I would imagine that when they're making casting choices They'll probably pick younger less expensive people to give them more runway for the future And I I believe they have said that specifically that it's Younger Superman and while I've been a lot of people said oh Like I mean Gary's big thing is he's like it's going to be like fucking timothy chalume or something Like something like really wavy and not muscular But um, I think though that I'm like well, I don't know as much as I think you could definitely pick apart the writing In this show that I'm going to mention pretty easily I I don't think anyone really thought that young tom welling wouldn't be like a good superman You know like smallville like I think most people like yeah that guy Fucking looks like superman as much as we can make all kinds of predictions one way or another It's like the proof will be in the pudding and I don't know gun has pulled off a lot in his career. So it's possible Yeah, you can do because I'm good sure it's possible. Yeah There are many worse choices that could have been made and it's for certain And now we get avils warhammer too, which might oh, yeah Yeah, I go so that might turn out being worth the cost, you know Yeah, you're nice Because if if that comes out being one of the greatest shows ever with like the fans of it being Through the roof ecstatic and stuff. I think people might maybe might end up saying, you know what? Maybe he's better here than he was in in dc Especially if he gets to Exit some level of creative control because he's executive producer and he's invested in the ip, right? That's the big thing Apparently he and his production company secured the rights before even bringing it to amazon So creative control is like it's basically like amazon is like, yeah, we'll publish it But he's the one making or like, I mean him and whatever company he's like, you know hired That's work with yeah Oh Which kind of gets us past black adam back on to what kind of forever closing out fees for That was there was such an obligation movie to watch like Obligation movie we've seen That came and went Yeah, because Because for us it was also in the middle of ragnarok and it's like oh It was yeah nice nights that I can't play ragnarok to watch the movie Fine Oh Just came and went though. Nobody talked about it. Maybe that's not even I thought it would I thought it was going to make a billion for sure What did it like do like About 800 million is where it's at right now, which is probably where it's going to close out Which means it made less money the multiverse Yeah And made about 400 million dollars less than the first film which they can't be happy about no way Are they happy about that? They probably expected to be like a big banger in the box They probably like they thought it'd make a billion.   Yeah And also like it's a weird qualifier like based on whether the lead is male or female It's like what does that have to do with anything? Because it's good on them good on those women reary gay kisses reary williams Sent a rocket through that glass ceiling But that's coming out this uh, well this year now the iron I hear show well, it's a thing what kind of forever does a lot of shit, right? Like, uh, we got a atlantis Tupacal con whatever the hell the place was called namo and Ironheart that's all that's all happened in the mcu now Well, yeah, that's it's it's what all of the films because multiverse and madness Of course laying down the groundwork for like wealth laying down the groundwork If black panther as they currently stand being shuri meets up as for an avengers meeting or whatever and dr Strange is like man.  It's very unique. You're the first one to actually do it It's like It's like they worry when they're like, oh, we never showed how these shields open Oh, let's build dj tables to make those like what I can't they just have a console with buttons. Is that like Is that too rude? That's an awfully colonist mindset of you to have moller buttons.    Who hired you You're fired Well, so I think we shouldn't graze over the fact that Wakanda basically lost there at the end. Yeah, uh, yeah, they did They got all like and people left on that for they chose to fight the water beings in the water In the water and then they it's and then they protected the rogue state from the consequences of killing people Uh, for like no reason No, no valid reason. Anyway, I remember how they flooded like something in the middle of Africa They flooded Wakanda the only city in Wakanda because Wakanda's only got one city That world building is great. I by the way, I'm just looking at the 2022 in film on wikipedia At the beginning of the year I thought I thought for sure that the the heist grossing film would be a marvel movie But the top three is top gun and then avatar and then Jurassic world dominion Damn Really, that's awesome. Yeah, all three of those genuinely good news. It's actually a good news Yeah, it means that marvel well It's just like so paramount had the highest grossing film of the year then of course disney and fox And then universal rather than like all disney like it was in 2019 I'm pretty sure 2019 the top five six were all disney In fact, it might have been like eight or nine of them were disney All I guess the interesting thing is that those three films are all part of franchises But still still doesn't feel quite as franchisey as As marvel it is the equivalent of god dropping a little bit of blood there. It's like By the looks of things avatar will become number one Uh, based on why it's tracking It's one point two now right become number one. Yeah, it's 1.2. Uh, and billion I guess a more relevant question is does avatar make two billion dollars Man, it's gonna be It's it's possible to a degree that is not small which is uh better than I thought it would do Yeah, but my god, man if the marvels comes out and makes makes like 500 million Oh That'll be concerned I would imagine but I mean next year will be kind of a challenging one. That's it though, right? That's that's the trajectory we gotta hope for that. That's like that's how it would happen if it was gonna happen How happy gree larson would be You got ant man one that I was the headliner of that one that one made a billion Well, that's right And then for you to be that character again plus other characters make like which I feel like that's almost a certainty Right, like if dr. Strange didn't make a billion dollars. I don't see and black panther I don't see how like any marvel film except for a spider-man film or if they made iron man fall would be like guaranteed to do that well Like that's the thing. It's kind of a downward trajectory in 2019.  They've got to start ballooning I feel like they're probably got to be tapering them back I like a mcu specifically because and I think it's because over the last year We saw them is what happens when they do the quantity over quality thing That can't do it. It's too difficult Oh, sorry, but yeah, uh Then then we'll see how if if an avengers movie can't break a billion that'll be a big deal I no way though. No way surely All right, that's what I'm saying like that'll be a huge unavoidably like Yes, that would be very concerning I would imagine especially considering the budgets of avengers movies They need to make a lot of money to break even well It would and it would finally signal I think that we are actually heading toward like the third act of the superhero genre dominate everything Well, and I mean who knows right? Maybe dc comes out swinging with their new stuff like right at the end of Yeah, because what I'm just like The fact is if they had like really really great stories, they probably would be making more money, right? It's not just that it's superheroes They're not helping themselves though phase four Not right now. No, no. Did you see a Wakanda forever er? Did you? No, no, I love it Well, I I wasn't even able to finish. Yeah It was really I have my doubts, you know, they got girl iron man now Girl iron man. I saw the the the cornrows. Yeah Yeah, that's uh, I had so yeah again my doubts. Oh Do more instead. He's gotta go. He had to go So off he went which actually leads us into the next big event which was indeed ragnarok Yo The world 30 hours of coverage Yeah, yeah, yeah Unfortunately, I might have to go so I can avoid spoilers. We're not gonna spoil ragnarok. Oh, yeah We'll just say what we thought overall, which was it was pretty good Yeah, pretty good pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, this is all right. Yes. I would like it a lot more firing What it was?  Yeah, at least in terms of it may not be the highest view count But like in terms of view count to time released. I think it is All right. Okay. I think anyway. Yeah, I can't imagine any of these are Breaking because the the marvel ones come it's like it's got a higher view count than our dr. Strange coverage Um And it's nearly caught up to Thor. It's only a thousand behind or three or four Very short amount of time. I got you. Yeah, it's it's kind of insane. Um And then well the funny thing is what comes up right behind it is the organized chaos stuff. It's like back to back Jumping into all those bangers in a row Yeah, and a lot of people sort of uh, it was an easy connection to make It's like, oh, yeah We kind of jumped from one side of the aisle to the other both of them being insane as a result of the Crazy on that side Yeah, the problem is crazy Yeah Crazy Well, those are just good examples right like the lenses through which you view Any given topic in this case media and how those lenses can like radically distort your capacity to be able to like Make strong claims about anything. Yeah, it's pretty rough Yeah, it's um, yeah I'd have just said he could get you on the lesbians ball The fact that you would skip to the section About america's parents to see if you said anything like everybody Brady would doesn't know he was looking at my doctor's videos He watched I think 15 minutes of it and he got bored and he skipped to the end And see what he says about america's parents and he got bored again and then he went to the uh, The lens his voice you're making him sound too masculine. You need to He went through the whole sequence and I didn't say that it's bad that she has two moms And so he had nothing to work with He couldn't uh, he couldn't do anything and he got really upset about it It's kind of funny. Um, this is like that thing where Isn't that possibly the best proof we've ever had of the whole uh, when you're a hammer everything's a nail sort of thing Yeah, I think that's hard. Yeah It's just um, it's it's it's good to try and reflect on those biases to try and Sort of separate them if you insist on you know, I don't know. It's just yeah, that was kind of a baffling experience I don't know if I that might legit. It might legitimately be like one of the like most bad faith Um the people that we've ever covered. Yeah, that was quite the yikes and I haven't even watched it yet Well, it's just disagreeing with every single point that mohler brought up and to the point that he was contradicting himself Yeah, that's the way he would make contradictory arguments simply to disagree with mohler and whatever the present point was I mean, I can relate with that though. I'd rather I'd rather contradict myself than agree with mohler Yeah, can you imagine? I think the best example was that he couldn't detect He couldn't detect sarcasm as well.  He doesn't know That's shit's brilliant I think my favorite part of that efap was the there was a moment where he seems like he's trying to do Basically give a bad opinion. I think it was of love and thunder But he also wants to still be defending it. So he's like that one You know, it could have stood to be written a bit more tight, I guess Writing could have been better. Well, he said that when uh, when I covered him the the black widow things like I guess it could have been a the script could have been a little better. Sure, but Not even to be in you halfway. He's he's sort of taken one step toward but still says you're wrong It could have been a little better, but it wasn't like bad In fact, it was it kind of will be was very good Which uh, and then now dialogue as well remember. Oh, that was so weird Like shitting on dialogue is a bizarre Because remember show don't tell therefore characters should never talk to each other, right suppose Like Bizarre actually insane. Um Yeah, and then the year was closed out with andor's to andor. Yeah, that's right a pleasant surprise to wrap up the year Yeah, we we had homework to watch it and then I think I was the first of the four of us where I was like, oh I think it's good I think it's good. It's good like the whole thing um Yeah Especially just sort of get into the points like episode six and ten sort of the big payoffs for The highest arc and the prison arc did get to six So the the and there was a lot to pick at and it was a kind of show because I did go through it twice to make sure My notes were all extensive and yeah, there's lots to pick up in terms of setups once you It's it's this thing that happens when you are so beaten down by how shit everything they provided you is where Character says something and you're just like, okay Whatever and then when it's a good show though, and you it looks from someone you respect Whenever anyone says anything you're paying close attention. Oh, what could I mean? So what and or I assume? Yeah, and until had to Yeah, deal with being a show that has the baggage of all those other bad shows when it didn't deserve it Yeah, I I gave it an unfair shot because I covered the first five episodes on the forge and I was like, uh Because I think we meant to watch it all together So at five I was I was like, yeah Are ready to watch more of it. So I'm not too far ahead And at the time was like, uh, I don't know if I like this or not. It's just kind of And then we watched it again.  That's actually really good. That was really unfair to that show I um, yeah, I like the first three. I just never continued. That was a big thing. Yeah I really like the first three And then I felt a bit like I was a bit slow to first do the next two and then I just stopped watching because we Didn't watch it together Uh, well, then we did and I'm really happy we did because man, there's a there's some good stuff No, you guys have sold me on finishing And so so I just have three to go right I've told people like if you don't want to support Disney Star Wars at all after everything they've done like this is a perfectly fine decision to make for yourself I'm just letting you know if you Wanted to spend any time on anything from them. It should be spent on andal right now out of all of the choices from disney If you were gonna Um, but there are a lot of people like I am watching it with my sister who has two little kids So I I will always have disney plus Or at least until they're like old enough So it's not the not supporting disney. I'm worried about it was more the spending of the time But imagine knowing right like the prequel to a new hope about getting the thing to the death star or The trilogy that takes place after the ot with all the characters returning or A prequel movie about the history of han solo and how he'd blah blah blah or of tv show all about Boba Fett or a tv show all about kanobi and vader and what they did between the two eras or andor It's just a show about a guy who becomes a part of the rebellion in the prequel It but even then though like I think that actually maybe over sells it because it's like the story is like mainly about a guy Who gets the motivation to join the rebellion? That is so basic in terms of like, oh That's what it's about Yeah, but the character is very good. Well, it's a thing and if someone presented you all of them options and you knew You were guaranteed a good story. I feel like andal might be the last one you'd pick Yeah There you go. That's the reality we're at. I don't know. I don't know how it happened But they fucked up to the point where the only one that people didn't care about was the good one What would have been nice if that show came out like First basically because I think that was that show was like planned like way before everything else said I think like it was I think it was 2017 2017 was when they started uh dabbling with the idea of andor Yeah, and I don't know what happened I don't know what happened in between that. I just got I don't know pushed and pushed and pushed Uh, but I'm everything There's a clip that got shared on the subreddit of um, Tony Gilroy saying When he starts making a story, especially one like and or he doesn't bring Is uh, sort of messaging or a gender in first. He's really focusing on characters first. You got to get them So it's just like oh my god Crazy thing to say crazy you caring about characters cringe Yeah, no good stuff And yeah, then this the one we're doing right now closing out 2022 so Several hours ago Big mad at me was on that note. What's people's general? Goals for like 2023 I'm gonna lose weight. Yeah I'm on lose weight I'll I'll join on that one. Sure I'll continue Right. Yeah, that's uh, that's for me as well Because I I I did a full year of diet already and lost like 30 kilos 30 plus kilos. Oh That is no small amount. No, that's really keep it going. Don't lose hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm I'm gonna I mean I'm probably gonna gain like 10 kilos back after I'm done here because I've been just eating and drinking all the time When I go for runs I listen to the one punch man soundtrack because I think about how size He did Every day no exceptions that That exactly that I well it's it's kind of like the meme right it's the workout regimen isn't the important part The important part is the determination to do it every day. Yeah The would have made Saitama, you know one punch man essentially Because even when his arm made weird clicking noises he kept doing push-ups Who need the other that's 66 pound Oh, yeah, right of course. Yeah, I got a component to weird Yeah, I know Even though in Canada, we mostly use pounds talking about human weight You guys still use pounds. Do you use matchwork in Canada? We do but when we're talking about height and weight, we tend to use imperial like American But it's funny you say that because over here, I think in kilometers Yeah, we do kilometers, but we often do height in uh, well, it's 50 50 Some people do height in centimeter. Some people do height by feet, but we never it's always kilograms. It's never pounds Yeah, interesting Yeah, I just want to continue with my with my forge because that has been fun. Uh Good good good Interestingly enough the last forge of the year, which was the avatar one is like by far my most watched forge. So that was fun. Oh, yeah Yeah Yeah, just just keeping going Hopefully finally finally working more on the mainline videos because not all that sludge is done so for now Hopefully it's not another sludge month coming up Well, last boss is in like two weeks Yeah, well, I guess that's something to try and get into maybe February is when it starts because that is ant man, then it's uh, Mando And there's all the stuff coming out too. Oh, but dead space is coming out in January.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. I got you Yeah, there's a lot of games coming out this uh, this year I'm probably gonna do a bunch of gaming for just because there's so many games. I want to check out Throwing a voice on Isaac is an interesting choice for the remake though. I don't know I don't think I had a voice in two He does have a voice in two But the thing is if you give him a voice in one, it means in all the situations Oh, I see what you mean like you did it Fundamentally means the story cannot be told the same way and if you're like if you're making that decision because like Objectively it was or I'm not even objectively Say most people agreed that it was bad That'd be one thing, but I don't think anyone I don't think we've said it was bad I just think that now they're poise Yeah, he you have a voice actor for him He did a good job You had him in two and three and he's honestly in a situation where he should probably be saying a lot He is an engineer. He should probably be talking a lot. Yeah, certain issues And from what I saw in that first 18 minutes or so that they released I was really pleased with the changes that they made Did they uh, they're pretty well-acted Well, it's gone. You can check it out at the IGN for his 18 medias of the game It was gonna write what I didn't feel like out of place from what I've seen so well They've clearly done rewriting, you know, it's like try and make it work But yeah, the voice actor for Isaac the same one they brought him back They brought a few people back because they brought back the voice actress who played on Nicole as well Well, and I think it's specifically him interacting with Nicole that is gonna be interesting I think I'm like, hmm. I don't know man at it, right? Surely Maybe yeah, but it might also show too much of a hand Like uh, maybe Maybe but I what I've seen is been pretty good so far Um, yeah, and I mean, I'm definitely gonna pick it up and cover it a shot. So yeah, it looks super impressive It looks great visually and the more relevant part is if it's a success dead space for as a possibility Absolutely, which is oh cross your fingers and really well Yeah Because even is because if they look back at if dead space the remake does really well and they say all right Do we want to do more dead space? Well, I suppose we'll do dead space for or we'll do a side dead space story. Both are equally possible. I think Um So if you do four then you have to be like, well, well did people really like dead space three? He's like, well, it was okay.  They're very clear It's not like it's a mystery why people weren't as Into dead space three is the rest of them. I don't mean to continue with the whole brethren moon like Plot, I feel like that's something you can still do while well while trying to dial back the scale I think that's possible. I think you can dial it back to be less of an action game while still following through on that plot thread Might be tricky I think it's much more likely they're just gonna remake dead space two And then if they do modern I think I mean, yeah, I know and actually I played it I finished dead space two holds up after I finished the callisto protocol And going from streaming Like three days of the callisto protocol where I played that game from beginning to end then going back to dead space two was like I don't know man It was like having the first cigarette after like a week or something if you smoke Like it was it was so much better. It wasn't even funny But uh, yeah, dead space two holds up everyone should play it. I am being summoned. I have to go Well, I mean I was actually gonna say we'll probably wrap up there anyway because me and mel do actually have to go to sleep So we can yes, I was about to say it's all like how late is it right now like five But of course, uh, we will sort out all messages that have been sent in. There's still more coming out soon and Well, I mean how exciting another whole year to come of of EFAP related things and it's funny because it's just gonna hit the ground running like said Like was said last of us is coming out as well as those games and just it doesn't end We still got loads of stuff. We need to catch up on So survival horror action games are getting remade in the same year Thank you all so much for joining us for this wonderful celebration that was filled with Some of the most known highlights of EFAP, right media breakdowns gaming nonsense with hilarious highlights And you know debate thrown in bit of back of Poor poor doomer. It wasn't a debate. Okay a discussion. That's what we do Very loud one Loud and fast discussions Happy new year Indeed, uh, you'll see us return the plan right now. All I know is that I'm hoping for us to cover glass onion So we're gonna need to get that You actually gotta make me want that I'll watch it with you fringy. It's fine Yeah, there you go You get dragged into the adventure with us. Yeah, I'm kind of volunteering. I'm curious Okay, okay.  I want to be like, yeah go watch knives at one You don't need to Man's got his limits But yeah, um, so we will Catch you there for all of that. Thank you guys so much for hanging out for supporting the the show as it exists over this Last year, like I said plenty more on the way and uh, you have yourselves a good night. Um, I'll put this up as fast as I can on On mula. Um, yeah, good night. Good. Bye. And a happy new year All that And then I have to say you're wondering when I should hit end No one finishes until