ging more or erase the damage they've done In both scenarios more damage could happen Yeah, but if you erase the movies and that meant that what better movies could have been made in their place like What type of director do you need to make for them to have made a better movie than what ryan johnson did? I don't know. It's all like the ot was complete. They don't need to make more But I get the idea that more is fun because it's a good thing and I mean like That you have the original expanded universe and to my knowledge I haven't read any of it, but the report is that it's full of great stuff And so, you know, they had a a massive pool of resources to draw upon but no, they wanted it all disneyfied Yeah, it just kind of seems like it's a quit while you're ahead scenario stop while it's good, you know You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become of the villain Essentially like self-fulfilling It's like of course because What about someone who becomes a villain then becomes a hero again? What about that? Oh, they there you go. Exactly. That's my story right there Villain free trial Where the doggies well wolf did actually pop in Rags has got a very bad throat for what I understood and he was them Giving it some time to heal over slash rest. So is that what we're calling it now? That's what we're calling it. Uh Isn't this getting into subjectivity because you expect a hero to be moral, but what is moral? I find assaulting people immoral, but legal legal doesn't That was painful I mean, I I can't remember enough of legal eagles argument, but did he actually say at some point that It was not necessarily legal, but still bad. I don't know Well, his his argument was like he's scrambled a paper which gives her enough reason to engage self-defense to the degree of What she does in the in the scene, which is no that's like no well to any reasonable jury You'd be like this is insane and he'd be like well by definition. It's not you'd be like, okay Uh, can we please never talk about spider-man again? I think it'll be some time before we talk about him again He's a good man, but you know we need to recharge our spotter batteries, but yes I mean, he's not gonna get another movie now for at least like two or three years. So We'll have time to have a good spider-man. Come on What's what what's wrong with? Oh, I think they just they just Too much sputum. I need some sputum and recharging Hey chat. I'm gonna go get some wings. Y'all want anything? I I don't know if anyone asked wings the other day. All right. Good wings Hmm Uh, there's a movie that is just about a group of people kicking puppies. There is no inconsistency in the film But no one likes the characters. Yeah, that would be possible Uh-huh. I agree um You should have one of them kick slightly less puppies and so by comparison. We're like, that's the good guy He's a that one Yeah, and you could say it is objectively not as bad as the other version as well by having a point of a new Point of comparison even he kicked less puppies than that version Yep So it is not as bad But then someone's like but what if the puppies are evil and then there's like this whole prequel film with the puppies Like killed a bunch of children evil puppies that that's yeah whole other thing That creates a whole new thing Uh, ignore the previous super chat. Please talk about spider-man again. I gave you more money. Okay.  I do not saute has peanut butter their follow-up super chat says you Heard me peanut butter all right Uh No, I'm gonna have to see if that's a thing at some point. I don't want to stay up What kind of sauce I think that might have been referenced to the spaghetti bolognese. Maybe I'm not sure That's possibly what are the major world building problems in black panther? I'm writing a story where I take Wakanda and turn it into something that makes more sense I'm pretty sure I outlined them in my video Go check that out magical rock therefore Equates to insane advanced technology. Oh, I've never been able to talk to you about this So I got called racist and a white colonist sort of thing because I don't know any reference outside of my british heritage That I complained that they didn't spread their Their culture and their people further than they actually did like in black panther their logic is that they stopped after they On good like the surrounding four tribes like the main tribe And then they just yeah, I mean And I was like, why wouldn't you expand? Yeah, the references as soon as you have a greater population than the land that you have control over can support Expansion always is a result Yeah, and and they were like, of course you think that way because you're european and I was like, I don't I think that's just intrinsic you would want Background kids, sorry. It's okay.  Maybe we build another house next to this house So we we've now extended our border by a little bit and you just keep doing that over time Which they start in the stone age, dude They would have had time to spread let's just say Yeah, and in the past you actually needed far more farmland to support A certain number of people than what we do now because we have advanced technology We can get far more out of you know farming techniques and land, you know Stuff and if you thought that your culture was the like most moral and superior you probably would want to expand to prevent others from like encroaching and partially Taking over. Well, I mean, I'm not only that. I mean, this this is a whole another subject him always We can't go into that but there you can Objectively judge certain cultures based on certain conditions like for instance human sacrifice I would say that's bad. I'm not a fan of that personally that has Human sacrifice has a very negative element at least if not is wholly repulsive on you know You shouldn't find positive things But still just because it's of another culture and you know, they raise that way that doesn't excuse that as being Very bad. So yes, that's what I'll say on that And then trial by combat for most advanced civilization history is retarded It's tradition Mola, it's tradition. That was the thing people were like you keep saying it's bad when it says it just I was like I'm making fun of their tradition.  Okay Sometimes we're like, you know what this thing not so good There are so many people saying that they needed something to read after harry potter ended and twilight was there That has nothing to do with storytelling. It just happened to come out at the right time No, I don't agree with that twilight has some very essential Like actual elements in it that appeal very strongly to certain demographics Um, yeah, like there's a reason why it was popular. So popular and I wasn't just its release state I honestly didn't even realize that it was released at that point Like I and it's not only that it was popular for a very long period of time there were Spaces gaps of time in between each release of each book, right? And it maintained its popularity and increased with each release of the book Comminating in the movies, which then skyrocketed even further. All these things do not coincide with You know the release of harry potter Uh, hello gentlemen, sorry I'm late. Where is rags?  Let's put it that way Now why are we talking about spider-man game of thrones season eight episode five and unbridled rage is coming out? I know it's on the that's true. We can talk about spooderman up till then Although I don't really know why we discussed spooderman. It's and and really cared about it. It's just uh It's for kids and it's it got space Space space space webman Why why should we love him? He's a he's a webman What is your opinion on the channel history buffs? I think I've seen some of his videos Yeah, I've seen some of his videos love what I've seen. I've given him a shout out on my channel I know some people take issue with certain Historical facts that he shares down then. I mean he covers a lot of history that I'm not familiar with Like of course my area of interest is medieval, you know there and so whenever he's talking about anything Napoleonic, um Like 18th century before after different cultures. I'm not when year is informed and so it's hard for me to say This is good and this is bad, but I think it does great work Fair enough. I think I've seen some of his videos. Like I said, is he does he have like an animated intro sometimes? Yep. Yep nick Hodges. I'm a good old nick um I'm watching efap when I'm I'm suddenly a massive. I didn't ask for this and thank you all massives for making a two-hour drive every day other day Man, this is pretty evident that I'm falling To a different dimension right now with my brain. I'm watching efap when I'm suddenly a massive I didn't ask for this Also, thank you all your masses for making a two-hour drive every other week entertaining Well, if you're doing it two hours Every appear two weeks. I'm not even sure you can actually keep up with efap at that rate I'd be interested to see if that's possible actually, but yeah, good stuff. I hope you enjoy it Hey, Molo, would you be open to giving notes for short slash feature scripts for a price? I need a hypocritical massive to scrutinize my script. She is um, I'm one of the people that basically says an all-around No, because I don't know how to pick and choose it in a way that uh, would be fair and I wouldn't want to charge for it because uh Then it would be like the person who pays the most gets and I'm like, oh no I don't want to be in that position. So I tend to just say No, I don't even do it with friends stuff typically like if someone's like I made a video tell me what's wrong with that I'll be like, oh no Do that Yeah, my consultancy rate is like a hundred dollars an hour minimum Is that a thing you actually do? Uh, no I don't know that sounded kind of reasonable to me. I don't know well Yeah, it's all it's a matter of time and that's the issue and and thing is though because things are going so well For me at the moment if I was to try and break up the income I've been out of produce recently into an hourly rate It would be pretty tough to Now I'm not Loaded don't get me wrong but things are going pretty good. And so if I was to say All right, if you need wanted to divert my attention to something else on Separate to the projects that I want to work on that will yeah, you know produce a good return to me Well What is the what incentive is it to for me to help and I do try and do this on my channel on the occasion Just invite it and do it as a you know Just help the community and stuff like that but separate to the times when I can devote time to it Yeah, it becomes difficult I'm curious on your opinion on mary jane if the character doesn't act like mary jane or look like mary jane Why was she called mary jane instead of making a new character and expanding the universe? Uh to try and bank on the recognition of her name. I can't imagine many other reasons I'm not as weird though because they only went they only called her mj. It was like so they weren't even confident enough to do that yet They didn't why do they even call it mj? Like have you heard about look the legal issues they have with uh, no Is a there's a video that I got directed to a couple times from midnight's edge that goes over the um the troubles that essentially that It's this is a really bad explanation that I'm gonna do because I'm very tired and I can't remember the video fully I think the idea is something like if ever they take any character or do anything specific with someone that isn't dramatically different then um Those characters don't get frozen for sony As in any character that appears in the tom holland versions can't be used ever by sony in separate versions because they're like tied to the mcu Interesting and so they have to make them different enough or they don't have them at all. I think was the logic Yeah, yeah, so you you know that might explain it from um another point of view or like I said They could just be doing it to be like hey remember this one you guys come see this movie. You like this character come on It's all sony's fault confirmed And disney they're all Down with the corporations Down they go. I'm gonna go ahead and call it for tonight.  Sorry. I I don't swear just as a matter of you know Principal sorry. It's hard to say your name in You can call me gavin. That's gavin. Awesome. That's that's a great name. I love it Thanks gavin. It's been sweet Thank you. Uh, we'll uh see y'all next time. See you dude Check it out Yeah, see you next time That leaves me in I'm yeah, I'm actually glad I'm here more If you left I would probably have to take the discord thing off the strings who would knock me out of the call Eventually, which means it wouldn't be a displayable thing about that I'm gonna have to speed this these descriptions up because otherwise I'm gonna have to face that horrible result otherwise Are you guys theorizing about a theoretical discussion you could theoretically have? That's the best kind of discussion That's high tier right there What is the worst movie you've ever seen? Oh I mean It was funny uh me and wolf talks about us for a while. We think Terminator Genesis is still worse than uh the last Jedi Really see that it like yeah, it does a better job of destroying its franchise Like tlj was pretty good. It was pretty good. Did a good job. I I appreciate like I high five Brian Johnson you did well man. Like you you did well, but you didn't do Terminator Genesis well They deleted Terminator one and two. Can you do that? Can you delete the OT? Not to mention dude turning John Connor into a terminator how much more insulting can you get it's like yeah, okay that happens Oh, yeah, I could see your point. I can see your point. Like I just don't I don't have nearly as much nostalgic attachment to terminated to be out uh understand the insult the travesty that is Genesis as a result I mean, I feel like we're getting another bout of that with this dark fate thing off to see what they do Oh, dear. Oh dear indeed Hey, Fringy watch the recent Cosmoronic with wolf good to see the Australians and the incels talking I'm sure you would appreciate that Well, I like your content a lot started watching you with captain marvel been watching your other videos And it's been helping me think more objectively when watching movies and on my own writing keep up the good shit Thank you sir. Good stuff. That's a phenomenal compliment actually If we any way that you can help someone think more objectively when that's awesome Yeah, and yeah, I hope it can lead to better things obviously there'll be a great results if if we get to that point um Because my god, it'd be nice to get some great movies that are mainstream again, you know Just give it a few decades. We'll get there Yeah, here's some rhino milk money. I hope you've had a great sundae. It's been an eventful sundae to say the least I'd absolutely say it's been a fun one Uh, it's always been awesome. Help gf wants to adopt. Oh help gf wants to adopt orphans wolf How did your parents raise you without telling you they hate you jk love y'all high rags watch later on bula Okay There's a lot in that Hi metal. I see you in chat Uh question for fringy or shad. Do osseys have health bars above their heads like all the animals and insects in australia do? Oh, yeah, absolutely. How's yours looking? Mine's pretty good. Okay. I'm i'm looking pretty safe still in the green still in the green Still in the green not gone yellow yet. That's good Yep, we're good. We're good Finally made alive. You're all breathtaking. Oh Finally able to catch a live efab nice to see everyone today I would like to know what you guys think about monster hunter world and the ice born info coming out if you've seen it Rags is best. I'll go. I've not seen the information, but I loved monster hunter world and I really should have played more of it I just haven't had the time You know, that's exactly the same. I played it a bit enjoyed it didn't get enough Didn't wasn't able to build momentum to just keep going and then I got distracted and wasn't able to pick it up yet But man, yeah, I'd recommend it if you like monster hunter on other platforms It was a god sent for me because the last time I played it was like Over a thousand hours on psp, which is You know, everything is downgraded and then you go to pc where it's just oh my god Yes Maybe miss dragons dot mark Rest in peace. Mm-hmm I haven't seen it, but unless there were there was a console involved and no fancy interfaces or pop-ups Then no, it would have been a complete it would have been complete garbage Not sure what that's referencing Yeah, I don't know either Thor is completely different from the comics where he went from stoic to joking Does that mean Thor isn't a good adaptation? Even if it's liked more I would need to have a more familiar understanding of the source material Thor is yeah Uh, no way near as familiar for spider-man was always one of the bigger, you know comic book characters I enjoyed And like I said, it's not impossible to improve upon the source material It's it's always going to be more difficult the better the source material is Um, because it's very hard to you know improve on shape perfection that what that is spider-man Kidding, but yes, I just I'm not as familiar with Thor Yeah, and I have no idea what he's like in the comics But um, I know that there were fans of his first two movies that were upset with ragnarok. So like hey This isn't Thor. This is some joker Oh, yeah, um, has rich evans has rich evans an objectively angelic face. Yes, I can Yes, confidently spider get Dang it already bought wings not spaghetti. All right a lot of food stuff. Yeah Oh, I tell you what when you're in the mood a spaghetti bolognese is just I can hit this one so well Uh, this food analogy doesn't work if you get the order you didn't ask for you send it back If you eat it anyway knowing it's different you have to judge it for what it is Yeah, but to make the analogy more comparable you can't send a movie back to get it fixed and so I suppose it could you walk out and get your money or yeah, like Um, if only we could if only you could write johnson remake this piece of crap right now I thought the tlg was gonna be it man. I thought it was like this is the movie It's so bad and so important that they'll remake it. It's gonna be this one. I was like no, they didn't They had a chance Aliens is my favorite movie, but it's a mediocre alien movie. It's a fantastic action movie But it lacks the terror that the original portrays What do you think shat? I think um, there's a Very different tone between aliens one and two aliens two had a much greater kind of action element to it that Personally, I enjoyed more than aliens one and I personal think I'm not a big fan of horrors And so the horror tone of aliens one was like, you know, it's still great movie. Don't get me wrong But yeah, I really enjoyed aliens two so much more. I love them both. I prefer aliens and it's because I Cade a lot more about the characters. That's usually what made me like fall in love with that film and I love the uh The journeys everyone goes on and it was the film that made me love Ripley as a character as well Uh, not that I didn't like her in in the first one. It's just that it's it's very much a uh, you know They're taken down one by one by an alien and the we don't get a lot of character for all of them Not to say they're bad in any way stretch of the imagination. I just um Connected more in the second one, but the first one is absolutely way more of a horror While the second one is much more of an action film. I wouldn't agree with that. I still found the aliens to be quite, um terrifying in their own way in aliens Like when they oh, yeah when they come out of the walls in the first like action sequence It's just like oh, I know where they're where they're like they're coming in this rounding is like where are they? Where are they? And then they like walked through what the roof of the floor like holy crap Like yeah, there's some great, you know Sounds uh Look at batman who laughs where he uses a gun batman who laughs Is this an example of a Deviation from what the character is that's so far in which you would say it's not the I guess yeah, people tend to say he doesn't use a gun right? Is that a thing that Batman does not? Yeah, that's a big thing about Batman. Yeah, and it's generally tied to his emotional scarring from the death of his parents right But there would be a scenario in which he is forced to use one. Yes Yeah, there is or well in the beginning of the batman beyond series to explain batman's retirement He's getting old and he starts to get beaten by these villains and Just because he can't manage it anymore And he actually picks up a gun and points it at them and they get scared and run away And then he like looks at the gun in horror and realizes I can't do this anymore. It's pushing me too far and So there's a great example of using Like exploring something that a character would generally never do to help You know progress the story in a different direction a new direction and stuff. So it can be done when done, right, of course. Yeah Uh, what about Batman white knight? I don't know. I don't know that is Just finished stranger things three gotta say i'm pretty disappointed not all bad But I'd like to hear some in-depth thoughts within the next wait some in-depth thoughts within the next 25 years And he plans to make a video series mostly It's on my list But my list is really long and each thing takes ages But yeah, I actually really did want to make a video on how season two destroyed everything but um I'd want I wouldn't want to make that without making a season one video first To set up what was there to be destroyed So That would take a while to get both of them done and yeah, so maybe one day no promises Uh batman didn't kill anyone in the dark knight returns freeing a joker commit suicide to frame him for murder But he never killed himself even calling the guns weapons of cowards My son agrees. Mm-hmm. There you go There we go. Shadow versus either blessed swordsman. There is a super chat apparently directed to you. So I shall uh, well Well, I I gift it to you more But I do very much appreciate the the sentiment. Thank you very much Thank you both I guess Uh MCU spider-man is iron man's little sidekick Feel that way, okay I mean I can see why people are led towards that opinion I don't think he properly fulfills. What a sidekick is supposed to be to Honestly call him a real sidekick. I think you would have to appear in an iron man movie to help it You know assist, you know iron man through his whole thing and stuff um So yeah, I wouldn't go that far, but I get The argument people say that a lot of his Independent seems to be undermined by his um adherents and desire to please Tony Stark. I get that I get that Uh, so in 30 years when there's a million MCU spider-man movies, it'll be the true spider-man It's very possible If they if they're all consistently depicting a new version of spider-man Uh An example of a story where batman kills and stays true to the spirit of batman is thomas wanes batman in flashpoint Both bruce and thomas are batman because they both fight for what they lost Yeah, very I'm I'm I've got no reference. I'm sorry less familiar with dc Like real like I was growing up. I was always very marvel. Um, and there's a a decent number of dc comics I have enjoyed but In comparison, it's very small Or fringled the frog old I will uh make a note of that as well for mr. Frink Uh, get on with it tired of spider-man. Oh man. I feel bad for that guy I am unfortunately it's dinner time and I'm needing to get the dinner ready for the kids smaller I feel Heartbroken that I have to bend in you to be alone. It is all right I wouldn't I wouldn't want to take this much time from you. I've already Had much more of an audience that ever would be deserved, but I appreciate uh how much time you spent honestly It has been such a pleasure. Thanks mate and until next time. I'll see you later very well See you Which leaves me on my lonesome, um I think discord gives you like two minutes in the call before it boots you out So I'm gonna see if I can grab metal. He was in chat a second ago. I don't know if he's in work or whatever If so, I'm just gonna pull discord off the screen. It's Not gonna be too much of a problem Um By other person value free You can trust your tisms Homes. All right. It's happening. I'm gonna use metal You guys know him. He was in the uh E-fab gaming Done and done If he answers the call of course consult chat Give me a minute. All right. Hopefully it'll it'll it'll he'll he'll sort out eventually. Um Until then Chat I know you're playing devil's advocate But the argument is weak on the basis that spider pig is a thing literally anything could be a spider man Damn, that would have been a good question I'll put it in like a thing. Hopefully I can ask him sometime I find spider pig amusing I'm assuming that's the one from into the spider verse, right? He was a pig That's the extent of my memory Uh, would you get your film footage?  Uh, you can rip them from like actual ones You can um There's a lot of different sources you can get films from Obviously a lot of people And this is what I used to do all the time was youtube videos Just that you can almost find full videos of clips or at least the most significant parts of movies typically are on youtube in clips Just download them And uh edit white pretty good So, uh, that's what I'd recommend uh All that I suppose Um, in case it disconnects me and looks weird, I guess I'll have to take this off. Oh, I'm good for now Yeah, just join the oh there you are. Hello. Let's join call. There we go How do you do I am doing already How is it going? Sorry guys, he's Jim and can you do you mind apologizing please? I'm sorry for for the things Uh, I've got I've got super chats to read and then I can all right possibly consider sleeping. I probably won't Sleepers for the week is what I've heard Can you confirm obviously? I can confirm this I I had a nine-hour trip back From the wedding slash vacation yesterday and I had a appointment at eight eight o'clock this morning And I hated every single second of it Was it was it to discover if you have the big gay? Uh, yes And what was the result?  Sorry. I knocked my microphone Um, why would you why why would you do that? Well hatred is expressed in many forms. That is my that's my comment on that Um, I agree. Help me settle the debate. Hello. Wait, what what? They everyone said hello, so I said hello back. Oh, yeah, this is metal. He played a game with us once on efeb It was a thing We played more games Other times that is true Right, so help me settle the debate who would win captain marvel or a fully fledged fully armed death star Yeah, it's captain marvel. Sorry the tick You definitely I'm still on the tick. Hi. It was so good Villain you face the tick Uh, that was so great. So sad. It's cancelled tom holland is the amazing night monkey I would watch it I'll say it comic peter is a simple character with one motivating answer to all situations Uncle ben the mcu peter is the opposite he learns to be better rather than referring to one experience Your lucky shot was gone by the time I read that out Though chat will still come after you shorter short shorter frohman shorter frohman Somebody touch up my spaghetti somebody actually like super chat at that All right, nice thoughts on the card thoughts on the star trek franchise I haven't watched any of it. I am the wrong person to ask i'm afraid I saw the trailer yesterday by by chance. Did you hate it? I don't know Here's the thing.  He's like, oh, I've got this Well, yeah Characters in there that I saw data is back. It's like, I don't know. Is that is that good? Will people like this? I can't can't tell I have no idea I think uh nude rottick will be covering the shit out of it I'll just get my my star trek feed from him because I don't know anything about it But I'm very very much considering Basically going through all of star trek because I keep hearing about it, man I keep hearing about how bad the new ones are and it's like, you know, I want to know how bad they are By watching the old ones And my dad recently watched star trek. I think what was he watching? At the time I was home. I think it was Voyager It's just like Need to watch I guess. I mean, I don't know if I would watch it all the way through But I don't know if you want to want someone to watch it with you. I would be down. I guess Well, we'll consider it. We didn't get through game of thrones, but maybe star trek will be the one Well Who was lucky there? I was You got me, dear Uh as a spider-man fan who doesn't read who doesn't read every comic and someone who loves mysterious villain I feel far from home as the best iteration of the character. Oh Apparently I can't super chat from firefox anymore damn When they turned spider-man into a Latinx bisexual, they also changed his name Why bother if there's no objective problem leaving it as it is the scope for your objectivity is autistically constrained um I you haven't highlighted why you just said it's true. So rip Um, if you're gonna highlight third party content as your reasoning for why it's a bad Then you're not remaining objective to the primary content It's kind of what we always said And if you don't uh remain consistent to that you're gonna find a lot more issues with a lot more different properties And you'll find arguments like well that one doesn't count because that one's not as old that one doesn't count Because that one's not as well understood in terms of its legacy content or you know How it has to maintain the spirit of the character and then that gets very complicated as to what that even means Um, a lot of people disagree on what needs to maybe be maintained. So Yeah, I tend to throw the entire argument out in terms of when we're judging this the writing for what it is Uh We consider it within itself and then obviously extend that to continuity. So like sequels prequels universe that sort of thing But um, I would never disregard how important it may be for the expected audience reaction Like if I was making the film Almost like should we have this character from the comic and completely ruin what they're supposed to be in the comic? I'd be like that's probably not a great idea guys.  I don't know if that's worth it Um, sorry, but shad is 100 correct. A what if scenario is convenient can be applied to anything I mean, what if scenarios expose weaknesses? So shad would do it with other people and we would do it with other people too. So it's a good way to Figure out principles validity validity of principles words Elite of battle angel is a poor Yeah, wolf managed to get uh to talk about that in the beginning of the 45. I think it was this is 45 Words are too hard. They escaped me marvel was legally required to change spider-man due to the deal with sony This is why I don't like the adaptation argument not all marvel's fault Well, yeah, I got to talk to shad about that. So Can pass along that video that sort of goes over it Mr. Freeze from Batman TAS is a horrible adaptation of the original vision from the comics But because he was such a well-written character TAS vision has become the set standard for him in general Which means would one argue he was poorly written on release until enough time passed and he became well written It's kind of the issue for me as well as that if it was well written it is there's no Time shouldn't be the one that changes it um But perhaps there's a flaw there that I haven't seen yet The adaption argument makes no sense to me as even in the comic there's a bunch of different versions of spider-man and peter himself Uh, there's different justifications like as shad was pointing out the um The majority of the works is I think what he said Ignorant analogies don't make shad wrong All right, what about non ignorant analogies? When will you learn when will you learn your actions have consequences? Now that's a reference to a certain sonic fan Stop supporting garbage cinema Hello shad. Have you read stormlight archive? um When are we getting the man of steel bvs e-faps? They're on the way and i'm going to save this question for shad. Hopefully I can get a tomb one day But the awkward thing is like you realize that me wolf and rags when we do that We're not going to be arguing from like why they betrayed Batman's character in the comics because we have not read the comics. I'm interested to see why I mean we'll just be talking about the films themselves. Hopefully that's What you guys are expecting. I don't know if you're expecting us to talk about the comics of superman because I mean most of us can't even read so We'll do a cheese The entire third act is a consequence to peter interfering with the sting operation The vulture decides to go for the big score because he learns iron man spider man and the fbi are after him now Peter then has to fix this on his own because he no longer has tony suit The reason that vulture was not caught was his fault and he has to fix it by himself That's actually something I didn't manage to mention that that sting takes place because of peter's interactions with him on the uh very But yes, uh yo just dropping in gotta go to work though. I hope you have fun, sir The teacher not being assertive is what the sjw's want. This is their pre-plan and history has followed This is the two sides of an ambiguous coin All right then In spider-man 2 he's in college and dealing with real life. He will naturally have more consequences than he will in high school Well, that's the thing about saying he should have money problems in high school It's like it's a little bit harder for him to have money problems when he's um of that age and I think that Once he grows up out of high school. They're probably going to be bringing in a lot of those um money problems and stuff depending on how they're going to separate him from the sort of uh Stark fortune. I'm curious how they're going to do that if they're going to do that, but they might not so we shall see Um a lot of people in chat keeps saying they want me to go to sleep. I got to finish this first guys It's a commitment This one does that happen? I don't yes Mola here's a few bucks in advance if you guys ever do talk about godzilla movie on this channel big thanks for all the content you produce No pro blame. Oh and as for talking about godzilla. I think we plan to do an e-fab movies on one of the godzillas at some point That'll happen at least Every sense with captain marvel has tremendous stakes.  Thus captain marvel has the best story Every scene with captain marvel, I see. All right And I understand I never liked spider-man. He was a wuss from the beginning and is so whiny and annoying. This is for the godzilla potential This is like a star in a meme that we're gonna talk about godzilla. I don't know where that came from um Speaking of narration in book adaptations, I'd like to highlight rorschach's journal monologues in watchmen because I believe They are so well done I remember what you're talking about. Yeah I didn't see that movie again. I need to read the the novel vision though though first to understand if it's terrible or not as a lot of people say Uh, I haven't been able to stand high tops content for a while glad you're covering him Also tell wolfie's a massive awesome Massive orphan for me. He's already fully aware of that Also, I'm nearly releasing the uh expanded universe law for e-fab number one on that jstream onto the mula channel like I finished rendering it last night It's like I have a secondary project running every time I get like overwhelmed by the primary one And that's the one that I took a million years to finally finish but that'll be coming out It'll be great And finally people will understand the orphan memes a bit better. I think um, it's confirmed sm2 greater than homecoming and ffh If you say so, okay, then according to your logic that new girl's 007 is going to be better than craig's regardless of the adaptation of the books I don't know that So the craig one is the same continuity if you're gonna you can make an argument that they're not supposed to be um Email if it matches something in the universe you can make the argument that She's supposed to have a different code name or she's not supposed to share share names based on evidence again in the continuity Um, but yeah, you could have a female 007 that is a well-written story Just because she's a girl doesn't mean it can't be well written But I don't know enough about bond to know What they might be breaking in a potential girl bond film and I don't even know that that's what they're doing I can't remember what uh what the plan was But uh, yeah, it's possible It was possible for the ghostbusters 2016 movie to be good. It just it was unlikely And they did not achieve it Well efap outlasted my earphones. See you guys.  Peter started sweating I mean Peter doesn't even let him die Peter and homecoming has different values. I suppose Are they better or worse is the question Fringy, they did use authentic. They said it wasn't historically accurate. It was authentic instead Which is a bit of a reach that battlefield 5 is authentic But I suppose that could come down to how we all define the word authentic. It's complicated Shad the japanese navy used the katana in place of the sabre used it by many western navies during world war two I would assume he's aware of that if not, um I well, yeah, again, I would have thought he would be Uh a shy nerd would have problems taking gills out the movie is saying yet here and he is nor not shy noisy acting like a nerd he's an Astus stock hipster Atta stock Oh wait, is it supposed to be autistic and it's spelt weird? I don't know either way. Um, he still has trouble He's still shy Please address disney's casting of the little mermaid.  I don't know if there's a consistency to it They all how is that even a work the little mermaid is you know, like she's like the only real thing in the rest It's just like animated ocean and stuff Melissa McCarthy is Ursula. That's just funny. I don't know man. I don't know what the hell's going on I don't want to watch any of those films. I saw that clip from the lion king. It's like, oh my god. Why why is everything horrible? I'm so confused though those are happening anyways like It's not like they did one and then another one the next year It's like all of them just like boom boom boom boom. It's like when did they make this? Yeah, they went kind of crazy with it Uh midnight's edge says the mcu spider man needed to have characters from a spider man to be significantly different from the comics Because of rights issues between sony and marvel. So they had to change mj I wonder if that affects the argument for um Those those sort of people or not I don't mean that derogatorily. I'm just curious Uh metal suit was given in the comics from tony. We did bring that up Hi, hello The thing about there being a true spider man is that it's a title that changes hands frequently It'll be more productive to argue the traits of peter parker and how they mix with the persona Yeah, what your shad said was the majority of the works is uh kind of what he went with Um a great discussion with no passive aggressive comments or personal jabs. Yeah rags must be gone Oh Sure rags would have been just the nice man. He would have been just a nice man. Hi mauler. Hello, avenger When he said everything is fine. He meant peter didn't change. He is the same from beginning to end I disagree I disagree with that still Hey mauler just catching up now, but I just wanted to say I started watching buffy and it seems like power ranges But with better characters. Well, I hope it gets to a point where you uh consider it better than that Hopefully by the end of season two You'll be enjoying it more. We shall see The sequels confirms he didn't change Yeah, that's not something I agree with either um There's a lot of detail in the journey peter goes on and uh I think we've got it discussed today people disagree people agree. It's dependent on A lot of elements and how you may or may not interpret them. I felt our sort of Goals of explaining his journey was more supported by the dialogue than not but I'd have to see far from home again On the good old cleanisms to be able to see stuff Mauler before you finish that game of thrones season eight five rage grab a joint beer or some Benadryl and consider your beautiful shots and themes the themes Maybe I do have a theme in that video Maybe if you spot it you'll get a birthday cake. I shouldn't make that promise. I'm gonna be held to it Could you have an objectively good rom-com predator? um I guess it could be consistent, but it would be uh Quite bizarre to deliver that to the public. I'd like to see how they'd react to it though Uh, did you hear about doctor strange multiverse of madness? It's supposed to be a horror type movie. I like that idea Yeah, when I found out it was horror. I was super interested and apparently scarlet witches in it, so That shall be interesting Okay, so this is then e-fap 45 There's like a whole slew of welcome. So welcome back all high wolf Speaking of reading manga, you guys should read jojo bizarre adventure manga slash anime fair enough I'm just here to annoy wolf. I'm sure he appreciated it Machiculations hitler was overrated How do you Wolf welcome back you massive condolences on the loss of your friend all hail e-fap and the brood long made rain Long made rain indeed Hi wolf, uh, what about matriculation sword dragons? I mean, I'm pretty sure those will be in shad's book. How could they not be? Wolf I'm aware that giving you this towards your pizza addiction is enabling, but I won't tell if you won't We'll make a note uh Walloff hello my favorite massive in my opinion Frogled make more videos mohlsla. How is fester? Oh, he's good. He's good I make sure to ask him regularly. I don't like him to feel alone praise theodon Wait praise the dawn not theodon I'm okay. We're praising both of them. But yes the dawn gets preference Shad's book is a bad ripoff of fern gully. I think he saw that one. We've managed to talk about it.  Hi mohler. Yeah. Yeah. Hi and yeah Far from home is a rewritten iron man three angry stark employee Yeah, I agree with that revenge plot using his tech Uh, well, it was their tech in the case of both films You know the regenerating stuff and then his illusions dumb character shit I mean that could apply to basically any mcu film depending on what your Thing is for that bad comedy again I don't really know what you mean bad science I don't know that any of the mcu films have like super-accurate science But fair enough Shad is a cutie. Are you saying there's no time trevor?  I don't want to smash your dreams, but I'm going to say that It's a maybe A maybe you already smashed multiple dreams of mine.   We'll never know the answers You know how much I sacrifice shock That's a good combo of memes Uh, how did you know about edith? How did the holograms make oh wait? So he knew about edith because there was someone on his team that was involved in Stalk industry specifically. I can't remember what the profession is, but he does mention it How did the holograms make darkness in the illusions when the holograms are made of light? How did he do illusions without drones? I don't think he ever did illusions without drones. He always had his own drones He just got more when he got edith And uh make darkness Um, I suppose you can project dark like lights that project dark colors I um I don't exactly know how the illusion tech works Uh Because I don't necessarily know that it's really as possible as they portray it in the film They just tell us that it works that way. I suppose it's kind of It's it's amazing technology Um, if peter didn't use the drones to hide and conceal his density again Then it's a bigger problem edith is kind of a franchise breaker. I don't disagree with that It'll be interesting to see if they acknowledge that Um, I don't like my boss.  I don't see how those two things connect Is that a meme? It's unreasonable to me. Is that a meme? Mola, please it's 4 a.m. I know It's not 4 a.m. No, it's 5 40 a.m. For me. No wait, it's 952 a.m. For me. Yeah brain melting This is how long have you been streaming? It says like five hours for me So i'm confused everyone is surprised by five hours. Uh, that would be part two is five hours Ah Well, see now that makes sense. It's like somebody only in quotes five hours Why is everyone saying you should go to sleep? Violent meme. Uh, someone donated five dollars to say benus I like it.  You're welcome I've not played battlefield 3 Why? I don't know. I was playing the card games because I was less cool than you Okay, there I said it Um, I'll take it Uh, I just got off work and walked into an argument get it to the memes already Oh, we're saving the memes the memes must be saved rescued if you will for the day of reckoning Rags is online add him to the call are in chat for rags. He was uh He's his throat is not up to the task today and if he was to talk more it might make it worse. So No push arena To pop chat villain plan are all stupid if you wanted to control the world while heroically playing the victim The best plan would be to marry into a highly nepotistic ethnic tribe with high verbal IQ that controls media and politics with blackmail and propaganda Maybe we'll see that in spider-man 3. You don't know How come tony didn't just tell peter about the fbi so that he didn't do something stupid? um I don't think that tony was expecting him to even be let alone aware of the um The sting with the fairy but that he was even in the location and the even if he was to be doing all of those things That he would end up doing the actions he committed to and on top of that The motivation behind it being i want it to be like you it's like a big collection of tony being disappointed in all the choices that peter made but um complicated to say the least Marry into a higher way over at the lol end game too much death. Let's have some fun now lamp Yeah, uh, there's tonal shifts when you go through the entire mcu Depending on what the film wants to do itself and usually the opening scene will try and dictate it. That's uh How a lot of these movies go like if you watch the civil war opening scene, it's just the um, they're like Waking up winter soldier and it's very almost creepy It's a very serious movie, but then you go to something like Thor Ragnarok where like Oh, no Thor's in a cage It's like oh, this is gonna be fun Uh shad you have how you wait shad you you have preferred if he said fury Just gonna drag me into another meeting Fury's just gonna drag me into another meeting Maybe I don't know if shad would say that's what he would be after Uh, maybe Olsen was there first found the hammer and called for support Oh fair enough. I thought it was that uh, he was sent there Peter is unlikable because he's an orphan Dun dun dun People super chat lots of benuses Oh Dad you clearly just dislike Peter because he's neither a dragon, meticulation, meticulation or sword You would have agreed with that.  My flights aren't for a week. It's too fun You would literally just tell you yeah, it's an amazing game and it's I believe his favorite game of all time So definitely a high score of mr. Wolf Um, thank you for the many hours of content weekly. You help keep my head at work Love the objective is a subjective topic and view Keep up the criticism Yeah, and I think that a lot of progress got made throughout these two efebs discussing it.  And like I said me Fringy and shad have actually had these conversations a few times. We uh, we're all very big into writing so It's fun Anakin saved the galaxy and fudged is here hero And he fudged Uh, but yeah, maybe I don't know You might come under the definition if you rescued some peoples I can't remember what makes a hero mal tell the tell the world Sorry, what is a hero? What makes the hero? Yes I know doing something that's impossible to someone else or Overcoming something that is very hard to do and you save the world while doing it I mean, there's a lot of definitions for super hero I mean super hero is like someone that's like invincible. I guess that's like a power or something But like a hero general like that could be a lot of things you could be a hero if you Rescue a child from being hit by a bus Yeah, but I wouldn't do that because I don't want to get hit by a bus I could just see the scene now. You're you're standing there. You pointed it go.  You're just like if only Do something I'm saying like right next to they could just Reach out and like pull it back. So you could even throw something at her to just make her fall over. She's like, no Um Played most of Dark Souls 2 the second half of the game is a complete mess So I could never figure out what to do got into three trees in early game area DLC very varied in quality terrible recycled bosses Try in shelver, but also sin and alone well I assume you mentioned that to me because of my DS2 series and you probably know from that that I love DS2 You never played Dark Souls 2 Lies Haven't watched far from home yet, but I will watch this stream after that have a good stream boys Love y'all and shat. I will buy your book soon wolf when it's reprinted fringy you frog Yeah, agreed on all counts Fringy, what's your favorite daredevil season mines three, but one is a close second. I think I think is his number one I will Keep the question and try and ask it I'm that's a suitable What's up mohler wolf fringy and shad?  That's cool I'll take it. I think I just like about far from home is mysterious origin It's been done before in the MCU. I'm all you inspire me good man. All right. Thank you. And yes, it has been done in the vague terms of Person who is disgruntled because of Tony. I believe there are four of them now possibly more There's a lot of Tony disgruntled peoples Wolf I love you. Please Films of the past are not films of today The most exciting future MCU film is shown at stcc. I think it'll be the Doctor Strange one That's the one I'm most interested in anyway. That'll blade Wolf versus the world also don't send me to efab prison. Oh, he did read that one out Um Beowyn if mauler and wolf are cat dog then rank should be the blue mouse Also wolf jack black Um, I think yeah, beowyn's got free reign to do exactly Whatever he wishes to do A wolf sticking around great. Let's talk prequels. Uh, I think he was too far gone at that point to be able to talk about the prequels Maybe one day Mr. Wolf Doritos cool ranch or nacho cheese I'm gonna guess he'd go with cool ranch. That's my that's my guess Though um, if I'm wrong then my other guess would have been the other option. So I can't be wrong My backup choice Yes, this video is subjective He confirms it doesn't change the fact that far from home is objectively massive glad efab civil war one has ended Godzilla is retarded Um, I agree. Yeah and um He does confirm his video is subjective, but he also makes a couple of objective claims, which is part of the problem A classic mistake Or was it a mistake at all? Maybe it was deliberato. You ever think about that? No, I'm very retarded I refreshed the page to make sure I'm getting them and I got like a new comment on a video I checked It was like, uh, it just says on my cap to bobble it couldn't be bothered finishing this vid. In fact, why am I writing this? Okay You do you buddy just got here. What are you on and can I have some?  I have some line around. Can't just offer people beef jerky, dude Sorry, I'm Okay, no dangerous here.  Who would ever meme something heartbreaking? It's not like after infinity where there were tons and tons of dead peter memes. Yeah, it's totally not like Uh kids of our age to meme tragic things Those bastards. I would never do that Why am I not surprised this is still going? Yeah, there was no point in being surprised about something like that. It's just It is inevitable Follow-up. Yes, I watched all of your dks2 series and found it interesting I was surprised you never mentioned the terribleness of grave robber varg and syra While talking about the dlc 11 hours you had time to do so baller I missed out a couple things honestly and the the series evolved It wasn't necessarily intended to be the way it ended up when I started Um, I think the way the best way to explain it is Uh, I don't know you probably remember this. It was like I I know what arguments I had to counter from h-bomber guy and I needed to collect footage and as I was collecting footage Things started to happen where I was like, holy shit This is bad And then I collected it and I was like, how do I put these in the script? I was like, how do I And then I was like, oh some of these things I can fit some of them I can't I have to put them around different videos And it was yeah, it was it was Complicated, but I think it worked out Um, I think maize position Sorry Just uh, I think just a Collection of the clips of hit bad hit boxes was like Oh, yes Not complicated, but it was so many of them if you could like at least Three times more than you have in the video. Yeah, it was a matter of trying to get the clearest ones or the best ones Yeah I think that maize position in this movie to be a fair if I made this movie maize position would be on her knees. Oh my Luke should have given solos dice to peter parker dice are better than a briefcase I agree Ben's dice meant more Wolf, how do you have 300 red? Oh, he did answer that. Um Would you feel as objective if dnd didn't make the old republic movies off of any source material? And it was still an objectively decent movie Um, I honestly whatever they do with stars. I hope it's good But we don't have a lot of faith to go on right now The interesting thing is the fact that they're supposed to be good at adapting So what if they do take source material and do well with it? I'll be quite the um experience considering their reputation right now some Would you feel as objective if dnd didn't make the old republic movies off any source material and it was still objectively good I guess so like I don't know why I wouldn't but it may be Oh, maybe you if you've made the mistake of thinking like I don't I'm not too into the um The old republics content uh I guess a good one to go for with me would be something like buffy or if it was adapted to a movie or something Um The question would be would I be able to separate myself if they fucked up the characters that sort of thing? But I mean game of thrones kind of did it and I still separate myself to talk about the quality of the writing versus uh The quality of the adaptation it's still two different things group hug to wolf Yes, hey wolf was wondering since you read the wheel of time series. Oh, I I think he answered that I can't remember. He definitely read something about the wheel of time Uh, he definitely read that one it might be two to two a.m But efap is more important sleep wolf. I feel you on the high deep thoughts. Love you all.   Is it not I think that the source for both of those is Joss Whedon's head and that technically the movie Is partially considered to be like in canon within the show, but to a different degree They mentioned she came from a different school. She burned down the gym Which isn't what happens in the movie, but it's implied that that's where she came from Um, but there's other reasons why that wouldn't fit together entirely. It's just that As far as I'm aware the movie was taken from his ideas about buffy and then the show is also the same thing Uh, oh and hyrax. I think the movie would have been better if they pasted out more spread it over two movies Villain plan phase one movie one phase two movie two perhaps Wolf you was kind you were smart. You was important He did read that one out to you conspiracy theory I think this is building up to spidey leaving the avengers or being the big Finale piece in some movie later down the line the former would be interesting the latter more likely Hi rag glad you burdened live since I left for work now at home. Also. Hi me in three hours.  It's the famous dream on metal commander We got metal commander Mysterio is a simplified syndrome He doesn't intend to give powers to anyone else though. It's usually it's just for him Syndrome did say you wanted to like sell his stuff eventually, right? But yeah, I can see the comparison for sure um Brought our dried up dew filled pubic hairs together quintessentially Someone paid money for me to say that A strange world we live in yes, my work day is longer than one episode of efap get good scrub Is it though? Do you think a story needs an overarching theme or lesson to be good? I think not but hey, I'm not a writer. So I wanted your opinions on that. No, um I don't think you're required to have one. You could have a story We didn't even detect one and then there could be ones that weren't intended to have one that do have one It's a whole fascinating thing. I think that People will tend to connect your story more if they can enjoy it on its own And then see a big patent slash lesson sort of thing It'll it'll maybe hit them in the heart a little bit more and if you want them to remember it more you might Gun I mean isn't that because the dark souls lore is so so popular Because it's not a focus, but there's like a lot of going on apparently Apparently well, I think I think people become for saying yes, there is a lot going on. Absolutely. Yeah How do you massives go for so long? Love you all uh Training on twitch for many years And this became a thing What if they pull a Daenerys with Rey? I'd love it bobson. It would be so much fun I hope they do what Lord the Rings for the first time in 12 years first time extended It's great lighting for nighttime scenes is amazing puts game of thrones to shame. Love you Completely agreed Kara If young Bruce Wayne gets green arrows tech and depends on ollie more than alfred his parents memory and if well executed Is it a good batman movie? I mean i'm of the perspective that uh What would be required to make a good batman movie is something To do with adaptation and then what makes good adaptation is complicated I like the sentiment that you need to keep the spirit intact The problem is what defines it and that's another conversation. I think it's very interesting. Um Obviously, I would just maintain that could still be a good movie, but what makes a good batman movie is a little bit more complicated I think you'd probably agree, but i'm not the best person to ask anyway because I haven't read Enough of the batman comics or seen enough of the shows Slash well, I've seen all the movies pretty much. So at least I got that Finally got into university I hoped for was able to catch the end of yesterday's e-fab that started after I went to sleep nice. Good day to you Good day to you sir Makashi is a fighting style Lightsaber form and is one of seven check out gensara's channel for more info. I'd like chad's take Um, yeah, it would be cool if he did a video on that actually because I know about the um The the seven fighting styles or whatever um And he goes through some of the stuff in his videos on like Lightsaber movements would be interesting to see which one sort of match up or which one he would decide is the uh most effective Please split evenly amongst everyone on e-fab today uh I don't know if the the cost of sending Um 66 cents is probably gonna be About equal. I'll just put it in like a kitty's thing that'll just grow and then once it gets to a certain thing I can send it But yes, uh pulling a Daenerys with ray would be different Daenerys had a personality to ruin. That's a good super chat under ray is beautiful Uh next e-fab gaming needs to be the shad spawn versus sargon son in the dinosaur game That was a further stream Mary shag kill tom holland spider-man andrew garfield spider-man tobey maguire spider-man Oh I'd marry the tom holland one. He's got a promising career right now.  I feel like it's okay toby about the head Uh black panther movie rewrote the premise originally they found the vibranium less than a hundred years ago I think they had a problem with technology developing too fast and made more problems trying to fix it That's really interesting if that's true I could totally see that being Sort of like an unseen problem with trying to approach it Have you seen you were never really here? No, I don't recognize the name either Uh shad I must protect myself from temptations of the gay. Tell me serpentslayer How did our ancestors defend themselves in long times past? I'm so sorry that uh He was unable to answer that question Wait two ephabs in one day. Holy bonus content batman have some money. Why thank you matt Uh, it was kind of two. Well one split into two as we did with the critical drinker one and the Well, that's the latest one. We did it. That's not this one There's been a couple of them now. Um important question. Have you seen the cat's trailer? I did it was terrifying. I don't want to see it ever again. Um, why I heard about this What what is the fuss about? The creepy costume cgi cat people it's disturbing. Oh, I'm a like fat too and it's like why why why? We want to see that trailer now. Just watch it do it. It's a weird one All right, so I'll do it right now Venus two Venus three Venus four Venus five Oh my god, what is this? Yeah, say I told you Venus five again. It was only the thumbnail I just got through your ds2 series for the third time. You'll be pleased to know I was never bored. Ah, that's excellent ryan I'm odd. I'm on par with tlj then I swear I wasn't stealing a joke by incident. It's just slow. Oh, it's all good taylor. It's all good Pirates the carabinus. There is Venus day off Venus the sixth Venus resurrection I Fascinated by this. Please ask metal the bathwater question. You massive. All right, mel important question for you I'm not gonna sell bathwater. No, that's not the question Okay, I was guessing if a person is to drink used bathwater at will really get herpes Do they deserve herpes? Why not? Oh, you're saying yes. All right. I feel like we might actually have to make a note of everyone's votes on that one Um, I mean is it your own bathwater? Is it someone else's bathwater? Someone else's you purchased it You opened it up and you drank it. Do you deserve herpes? You deserve to get I don't know shot in the head or something Um And then the last the last super chat from eric stewart metal I want to cup your butt cheeks with both of my hands and bounce them back and forth between each other like i'm trying to weigh them What do you think? Excuse me. I think that's that's not a denial. I think he's on board Wait, wait, I was only half listening because I didn't realize I wasn't it's better that way both my hands and bottom um How much do I get? And and can I put it on my porn channel? Yes, to make money off of it. Well then go go wild The bean is water question Okay, that is it for this double bill of efap. I need to go back to the living world um Thank you so much for watching This is the end of the the spooderman arc of efap. I think there was three episodes in a row for it I think we talked about the films extensively talked about their pluses and cons in as a In a consistency manner and then tried to talk about them from adaptation points of view and then checked out both the high top videos He's he seems just fine if he'd like to come on efap to discuss the films. That is absolutely fine um, I remember wolf was telling me the other day that apparently he's debated the uh the the films previously um Or it might not have been wolf. I can't remember if someone told me um I've been fringing actually the I might check that out just to see what what they kind of argue with or how um Big thank you to the guests.  I hope You all you all enjoyed it. Um it's tough to the sort of Uh talk about films at the same time as trying to like reestablish a agreed upon foundation for like writing and so The point is to try and actually like just have people listen to it Maybe uh, it can benefit them in their own writing or at least explore it so that we can all progress and and make better judgments As we go along too because uh is adaptation thing. It's not over. It'll come back It's going to be with something else. It could be batman could be um The man of steel stuff that people looking out for so yes, and um people sending memes on twitter, etc Don't worry. They're being catalogued. This was episode 45. So that means Five episodes from now We're gonna be doing the um the 50th which will that one will have memes or it'll be the one where we're celebrating an anniversary Which would be the 22nd a month from now One month from now is when we did the first efab stream guys. It's been one whole year So uh, she amazing, but yes Thank you all for watching. Thank you for your generous donations and um, your wonderful pieces of artwork that I am still collecting I hope you had a lot of fun and links for everything is in the description This will be uploaded on the mula channel The first one should be going up relatively quickly because I think it should have processed by now anyway, which is good Thing about doing two parts. I guess but um, yeah Thank you all. Good night, and we shall see you next time


This paper proposes two new algorithms for hyperspectral image classification. The first algorithm uses Gabor filtering to extract spatial information from the images, while the second algorithm uses multi-hypothesis prediction to combine spectral and spatial information. Both algorithms were tested on two real hyperspectral datasets and compared with other state-of-the-art methods. The results showed that both algorithms outperformed existing methods in terms of accuracy and robustness. This article was authored by Chen Chen, Wei Li, Hong Jun Su, and others.


Thank you all for coming everybody. Does everybody know who Monterey's tutor is? Not a prophet? Who doesn't know? Does everybody know about the National repository of online course project? Right. A little bit? Yeah? The INROC project has been around for about seven or eight years now and the intention is to bring together high quality, multi-media based course content for high school and especially high school and community college students available as an open resource. The project has been going on a while and it came to a point where we needed more content. You know how these things are. We've continued to have content. We've been getting content from sources outside academic institutions around the country for a number of years. Ultimately it became time to build content ourselves to fill the holes. What we chose to build first is math and probably, no surprise anybody, math is a major issue in the United States. About half the students in the U.S. entering higher education have to take some kind of developmental course, rather than frequently it's developmental math. About half the students in the U.S. on average don't pass Algebra 1 in 8th grade or 7th grade when they take it the first time. So it's a major issue. It made a lot of sense to go there. The other reason it made sense was that INROC, the natural repository project and the membership organization kind of manages everything for us. They guide where we go. It's academic institutions from around the country that are members of it. Here's a listing of those so small you can't possibly read it, but I can tell you that it includes about 28 or so of the state VOEs or their virtual schools, a lot of the larger school districts in the U.S. and a number of the community college systems, state community college systems. As a group, they told us it's developmental math. The number one need they have, that's the number one pull of the library, that's what you should do. And so we listened to it and we did. We got funding from both the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation and one from our Hewlett Foundation to build first Algebra 1 aimed at first-time Algebra takers, which in the U.S. is for the most part 15 and 16-year-olds taking it in 8th grade, and then developmental math for everybody else, folks that didn't pass Algebra 1 have to see it again either in high school or not impregnately in college. The objectives were of course to get students through these courses. Our approach was to really consider multimedia as an approach to this, really look at it as a means of teaching.  We started with research. We saw what had gone before. We saw what products were out there, what research told us was working, what didn't seem to work. Additionally, we ran focus groups around the country. We asked groups of instructors, administrators, even students, what did they think? What did they want, what was working, what wasn't? And ultimately, those things informed us about not only the engineering we used and the fact that professional development for instructors had to be part of this. It had to be part of this to be successful. But the curriculum itself, since the curriculum had to work with all 50 states in the nation, had to work in an alignment with the community colleges and other higher education institutions that were using it, and the design itself. Now one thing came out of this early on was the focus groups had some real serious ideas about what they wanted, and so ultimately became an iterative process. The focus groups were actually influencing the product development, first design and then development, and it was iterative over a three-year period where we were running focus groups almost every month for the last three years to get, to get lodged in what we built. And ultimately, we're taking things off the assembly line as we built them, putting them in front of focus groups to make sure we got it right. And I will tell you, I've been building products like this for a long time, 20 or 30 years, and we got it wrong more than we got it right. And we all thought we knew what we were doing, but when we actually put it in front of the users, we weren't getting it right, especially the students. So the goals of the focus groups were the ones you'd expected to be to find out what people needed, what worked, what didn't. So the students especially, students are, you know, they walk on campus kind of walking back in time. They're not using the same technologies on campus as using other places, especially in K-12 institutions. They communicate in different ways. What do they really want? We've been conducting focus groups now for over three years, a lot of them with lots of students in lots of states and lots of instructors and administrators. In sum, what we've learned is as follows. Not surprisingly, what administrators and instructors told us was Fish and K-12 in the U.S. was that the existing digital products for math were too expensive. They cost a lot of money, not infrequently as much as $80 of students sometimes a lot more, which is too much for most school districts, too much for most states. They're inflexible. The curriculum that they support wasn't easily changeable, so it didn't necessarily line up with their state framework. It didn't line up with what's going to be the common core for most states. And almost most importantly for a lot of them, it didn't work with their existing learning management system. They have almost every school district in this country, all the larger ones, have learning management systems while high-rich patient institutions have them as well. So whatever you build, better fit in there if it's going to be useful for the way in which they do business now. And not infrequently, almost without exception, the existing products have their own proprietary systems. What we heard from students is even more interesting to me, having built stuff for a long time. We're really aiming at students that are struggling, so we're not infrequently used to students that have other things going on in their lives. And what we heard from most of the students, as the product rolled off, what we heard right away was this is way too complicated. The language is way too complex. Make it simple. Make it simple enough that I can hear it and understand it right away, especially for students for which English is the second language, major issue. Some examples were a major issue, too. You're going to teach somebody algebra.  If it comes together in an example they recognize, like downloading music versus how a bakery works, or how the trains work, where they build more trains, it made a lot more sense. So making it relevant and putting it in context was a major step forward for the students. And then the other was humor. Not infrequently, as producers of this, you may try to inject a little bit of levity here and there. Man, it was an absolute disaster. I wrote the first scripts. I will tell you right now that a 60-year-old man cannot write scripts for a 50-year-old student. He just does not work. And I thought I was absolutely hilarious, not so much, you can say. All those things added together, if you look at the products in the market now, a lot of those things are there. And as part of the reason they're not working, it's part of the reason. So that all came together over the number of years. We brought it together as a white paper. So if you choose to and you'd like to learn more about these data, what we've learned, I invite you to go to the website where these projects are being tracked. It's called inrockmath.org. You can go there and at the project news section, you can download this white paper. It covers the data for about the first two and a half years of the focus groups. And in the last six months, we'll be updating it through time table. So all this informed us, and here's what we decided to build when it came out. We have six semesters of material. The first two semesters are algebra, one first and second semester, then the next four semesters are data. These are the typical courses that are taught in the U.S. primarily and actually in Latin America as well. In saying that, they're not really courses. They are brought together as a collection that you recognize as something as a course. This is algebra, I know what that means. But it's actually a collection of learning objects in all cases. So this six semesters is actually more like 185 learning objects. What's the number? 184? 184 learning objects. And each of the learning objects, each of these chunks, which covers each of the chunks of content to make up these six semesters, has each of those multimedia elements from warm-up to video presentation to work examples, et cetera. At the same time, it can be organized by units as typically happens, especially it can be organized around a typical classroom in the U.S. There's about 29 units at the unit level, which is more of a summative level where now there's certain things you're expected to have learned in the context you've sort of applied these things. There's other multimedia approaches, including a virtual tutor, which ended up being a big deal for the students we're working with. These simple puzzle games which reinforce concepts and relationships would end up being although not important to most of the students using these, for the 5 or 10 percent of the students who were struggling the most mightily, this was the biggest piece for them, so we decided to leave it at it. In total, believe it or not, you probably don't care about the U.S. math curriculum, but there's 516 explicit learning objectives in the U.S. math curriculum across the state frameworks, so this embraces all of them in a grain size so you can actually mix and match this to fit all the states, Common Core, and all the alignments with all the community colleges in the U.S. Looking at them side by side, there are two selections of courses looked like this. Included with all this multimedia content is also a formative assessment system baked into this, so as the students go through, especially doing the warm-up, they're just appraising their performance, putting questions in front of them to understand what learning objectives they haven't reached yet, and then feeding that data back in the system and then changing the content they see based on that analysis. And those data are actually, we're building a new system, those are going to be passed back to the LMSs we're working with. So, what does it look like? As I said, this is a typical landing page for one of the learning objectives, but there's all those six components I mentioned were available there from a text-based warm-up to video presentation. Now, the video is interesting. I've been in video for a long time, a lot of television work, and I learned early on that video is really good at a couple of things. It's really good at concepts and it's really good at examples. It's not so good at protocols, procedures, which is a lot of what happens. And so the pound away at process so we wrote these videos carefully around exemplars that would make the concept relevant to the students, making sure the concept was upfront. Why are we doing this? What is the concept here? For each of these 184 learning objectives, the videos are short, they're YouTube length, like three to six minutes. They're highly produced. They have a presenter on screen. A lot of animation and graphics, they're quite beautiful actually. And also the other thing is presenters. There was a trial. We went through probably 100 and 125 presenters, fighting the one or two or three, actually the end of the three, that really played well across the US with the students were serving. And I didn't see it coming. How bad that was. Work examples. Each and every object, each and every of the learning objects has two, three, four work examples of work through the materials we were going through protocol. It's a typical whiteboard voiceover. Who do we choose for that? Anybody know? Who would you choose? We chose Saul Kahn. Saul, we went through a bunch of different presenters. They got shot down one after another with our student focus groups. Saul is beloved by the student population in the United States. So Saul Kahn did 800 work examples for us. We wrote him. He performed it. So they're in line with the curriculum. They followed the curriculum explicitly. Interactive problems. A review section. And even an online textbook. You can access it from each of the learning objects. It's an interactive textbook in the sense that it's typically laid out for a computer screen, but it has interactive elements to it. You can also, you can dump it and print it if you choose. At the unit level, there's something on the virtual tube. The intention is how many struggle with applying algebra concepts to unique problems like I did. Yeah. And the thing is, you understand the fundamentals of algebra and then they give you some problem where you can't see where you don't plug in what where or approve. It improves. And so, the strategy of problem solving is something my teacher never taught me. The virtual tutor not only walks you through protocols and procedures of a problem, but the strategies of that problem solving because they're not in frequently multiple routes to solving the same problem, right? You can do it more than one way. So, the virtual tutor is all about that. And this ended up being a very powerful tool for not only students, but also instructors.  Project-based learning so students can break down into groups is part of this. And finally, these puzzle games. Really simple stuff. No rules. You light it up and you're going to know what to do with it. And for the most part, it's all about reinforcing relationships, concepts. Nothing more than that.  At this point, I was going to go out and show it to you. But we're not going to do that. Because I don't think we're going to have time. So I invite you to take a look at this. It's at our... Anybody know about HIPAA Campus, our open site? HIPAAcampus.org is our open site for students and instructors, any individual to use. It's not at the old site. If you go to the old site, you won't find it. You'll see the old algebra course. But you'll see somewhere in HIPAA Campus it'll say, go to the new site and go to the new site. It's a new site that's going to be launched and take over the old site by the end of this year. It has all this new material and it has other collections. It has silicon full collection.  It also has a wonderful feature where you can actually build playlists. You can drag and drop all these pieces in your own playlists. Anyway, this new math algebra course is there. I invite you to go take a look at it. What I wanted to show you in the last remaining 10 minutes we have is the results that are starting to come in with this material. Because why build it if it's not actually working? Algebra first and second semester was published earlier this year in the spring. Dev Math the first arithmetic the first semester which is arithmetic we released a beta version in the summertime. Right now we have 34 ongoing algebra pilots in the US and we have about 50 more queued up and actually I will tell you I probably have a hundred or more queued up just keep coming in coming to queue up. For Dev Math we have pilots queued up in 15 states. We don't have the dating in on this much yet. We're just starting to get it. I was talking to people in the hallway that are running this and sort of getting it anecdotally. By the end of this year I'm going to publish a report on how this is doing but I understand that we don't know how to use this material. We think we knew. We're putting it out with the hands of doctors and districts and they're telling us and about five or six use cases are rising to the surface as being good ways to use this material. They seem to have positive results. As I said HIPAA campus is I'm sorry algebra one is a HIPAA campus now take a look at it. We're going to have an interlock math app we're going to start to publish this spring. So all this material all this math material and then later our history physics all that will be playable on any mobile device and my smart TV which I bought last weekend and it's going to play on my smart TV I'll tell you right now. So we're going to have these math apps published soon and then there's a documentary film about one experience with this algebra program as we were finishing this program it was coming off the assembly line sort of data form we had one district one of our members that was eager to get this they've been really having trouble with this Sierra Bista alternative school in Whittier, California so we were giving it to them as it was coming off and they actually ran an experiment for us a class using this material as a hybrid and a class taught traditional 20 kids in each class 21 to 19 million others just to give you a sense of what Sierra Bista is all about it's an alternative school it's kids that have struggled and had other problems and they end up at the school and the scores sort of the performance of the school is not very good it's one of the worst in the state of California actually and the red bars tell you that you don't have to look at this to close the red bars are bad it's literally only a tiny fraction because this school are even performing at competency in that background on who was in this experiment as juniors and seniors more than half had credits deficiencies that's why they were there about 80% were teen parents so they didn't have regular schedules they were working 20% were homeless all of them had repeated algebra twice before a lot of low income kids we use as we always do whatever the benchmark is for the district or the state to find out how things are going so we use the state benchmark for algebra it's been modified slightly by the district but it's the same benchmark traditional classroom textbook four times a week instructor giving lectures and then this product together in a computer lab excuse me with a teacher coach that comes in three times a week for an hour to sort of meet and through and here are the data this is from the first state benchmark this is a traditional class the pass is at 60% time and about half 45% got through it and that's typical for this school that's what they've been looking at tracking for the last several years here's a hybrid class all but one got passed yeah we said the same thing what and so it's working there and I've since talked to them and it's still working just like this so it's working for them now one thing's really important here is obviously that I taught the same way just have nothing to do with our product our product just allowed this to happen but the teachers do this the other thing is that these kids don't take the test until they're ready to take the test that's a huge deal so don't think that we're doing anything magical but the point is when they were ready to take it this is what it looked like and they're all ready to take it within the time frame that was the summer semester so it actually works here's the sort of overview results and if you have any questions about this I invite you to go to dragnath.org oh I have ten minutes do I have ten minutes? okay I have two things I have a seven minute video about this Sierra Vista experiences incredibly inspiring make me cry and I'll show it to you but alternatively or additionally I can answer questions too for the next couple of minutes so any questions? yes I had a question about it you said that the were the kids that didn't have this program in the school did they also get to take the test when they were ready? no okay so they were paced they had a normal you know you show up you show up you take the test on Tuesday I'm sure it has a lot to do with this but they've actually tried it the other way because they took it at their own leisure and it didn't help that didn't make any difference and it turns out that the kids in the hybrid course actually all took it on Tuesday anyway they just had a choice when they take it but the point is that the threat wasn't there right right would you just elaborate one more time on what the support was in the classroom? yeah it was I got to watch it actually it's a computer lab it was open it was open 12 hours a day so students can come and go if they choose to and then three times a week a teacher coach was there to help the kids for an hour or two I could show you the video you can tear her or say it for herself what made the three presenters that you chose successful? what's that? the three presenters that you chose it? it was and you know I'll tell you it's really weird what I heard back from the students we had presenters that I thought sounded good and looked at and the students would say something like they don't really believe it and I go what? and then I'd hear it from the same I'd hear it from students in different states so there's something about body language or something subtle that I wasn't picking up and our director wasn't picking up but the students were picking up and what happened whereas the person you'll see when you look at the product you're going to go you're going to think they're good but it turns out they're more pertinent they're believable and they engage with the 15 year olds that are watching it and how long did it take you to develop the algebra course? two and a half years so awesome well because the first nine months were blown away by getting a problem so I'd be through way nine months of work before we actually cut it these guys make I'm looking at the video online but do these video presenters they make all that and make sure like at least I'll make it or did the presenters the presenters? oh no the presenters are just presenters or actors so we just cured the actors yeah we went through teachers went through we went and ended up going with actors and we had scriptors were professional script writers who happened to have masters in math and then it all went through a vetting process with dozens of instructors that made sure it was running so you essentially broke up you broke up the traditional like teachers everything presenter, curriculum designer we tried it the way you'd expect and it didn't work and we just ultimately went back to professionals in every step along the way including the curriculum we had curriculum experts make sure the curriculum was right every part of this was done by someone who knew what they were doing they were the best at their job and not surprisingly it worked out okay the presenters that were successful were they successful in the judgment of the students liking them or was their attachment to the performance of the students I don't know so it's quite possible but somebody who's really dry and boring and a better presenter that if they're dry and boring and the students are it's an engagement issue it's getting the math right but it's also getting the students involved I'm just thinking in terms of the humor idea off the top of your head to think yeah humor is a great idea would be inspiring I thought so liking the presenter may not be the successful I don't know I'm not sure it's like it's connecting I mean what I heard from students that would talk about it was more that the presenter reminded them of their uncle or their brother and they were a good guy they believed them and the way they talked they seemed to understand the neighbor they came from and the example they used was one that made sense to them it was that thing it was not only the presenter as demeanor it made probably their appearance and the way their reflection but it was also the examples that they were using which stated right these are professional actors but the writers were getting feedback from the focus groups on what was working on I mean we reuse a great example how much flowers could make cookies no one cared about that but when we talk about skateboarding or downloading music or and so it was it was a matter of connecting around things that mattered and then also culturally connected with these cases what about the two demographics the ages same presenters worked for both no no actually they do in some cases but not always we had some of the connect presenters would work for the older demographic too but not always and so we had to start over do you want me to start this video two minutes? actually it's at the end of four actually okay we can be done I can play the video and they can leave that they won't how's that here we go there's another thing what 15 minutes so if the video is playing it won't earn anybody so I choose to if you like to leave take it off if you want to see this I won't be upset Sierra Vista is an alternative and a school these are what we call at risk students they've already had a situation what happened did you extend your desktop you're not going to see this video it was already on my desktop yeah but I'm not trying to what did I do you've got two screens connected drag it over I gotta see it first gather the screens it should be there now okay okay come do it yourself I think you've got so where is it coming do it yeah sit up here oh there it is here we go start slow it off Sierra Vista is an alternative and school these are what we call at risk students they've already had a situation in which they were not successful we have a fair amount of team parents we have students who are behind in credits for medical reasons we have students who are behind in credits for discipline reasons we have kids who just commit focus in traditional classrooms what we're really trying to do is provide an alternative here where they can be successful we're trying different models we're trying different methods of delivery we're trying different types of curriculum algebra was one of the things that we had really been struggling with we had tried several different delivery methods and none of them felt really what we were looking for we knew we needed to change things somehow but we weren't really sure of where what direction to go we didn't have a lot of resources as far as funding so I looked for as many open educational resources as I could and those are resources that are available freely that are adaptable one of the things I came across was Hippocampus which is a project of the national repository of online courses Enron this is the commercial part your brother takes arithmetic and makes it stronger faster if you look across the country the largest single college of students not getting to a high school diploma as algebra it stops them if you don't get through algebra you're not getting the resources you're relegated to a low paying job or a fitting job at all these days you may not always see it but you can find algebra just about anywhere we developed a course that took advantage of a lot of the research that is about on how different types of technology address different types of learning styles we have games that are based learning that allows students to draw upon some higher level thinking skills we had tried other online programs that they were very rigid and the students had to go through them kind of lockstep and they would get caught up on one concept that they just couldn't push past so we needed more flexibility our courses are built to teach it in the same order that NROC has created it the learning architecture allows them to break it apart move it around they can add their own resources we can add things we can take things out and we can make it work for our teachers and for our students that's what really made the difference we spent a lot of talking to students finding out what was and wasn't working for them we would build something out of that and surprisingly we were wrong a lot things that involved ranges of distances let all the places you could go and take a gas the language is actually critically important it's got to be clear it's got to be words that students hear and understand easily idioms aren't going to work because English may not be the first language humor doesn't work especially for a 15 year old 8th grader who just not can work it takes a lot of people who have teachers teachers who've taught teachers developmental editors who know how to write good problems so this is where you're going to all your reading looking at how do you get those bad tasks I'm in here with them I'm working with them on anything they're struggling with sometimes we have to go back and redo assignments in order to get them out to car where they need to be really whatever they need to help them be successful maybe they're helping on the way but this is where you're going to go first students to go through the class at their own pace it's been really important because the students that are really comfortable with the curriculum are able to work ahead and not be constrained by our timeline of getting everybody through at the same pace students who are struggling a bit more have that flexibility of taking X moves side to side Y moves up and down I know you do I really like this program because it is so very different from the direct instruction classes it's more exciting for me I'm not doing the same thing every day every week over and over again


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