Well, I have mentioned quite a few times on this show. I watched season seven again recently because I wanted to have everything fresh because it always goes away. Even if I think I know what's up, there are details that I missed the first time and whatever and beyond the wall episode, which no spoilers, but it's a very important episode. I mean, I don't know why I watched that again. It was very traumatizing the first time and it was worse the second time and it ruined my week. Oh, no. Because it's so sad. It's so sad for so many reasons. But yeah, there's, you know, I'm pro dragon. I root for the dragons. Yeah. You know, I'll tell you what, maybe I'll just actually download. G.O.T. on my on my phone because you can download it now on HBO on the HBO app, right? You can download the episodes for offline play. Oh, I thought you had been able to for some time. No, no, yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying you just confirming because I don't think I've ever done it. There was a time in the distant past when you couldn't download episodes for offline play from various even Netflix. But I think I have a red eye going back to Syracuse tomorrow. Oh, I know the orange men. Orange, Tom, 2019. Oh, I thought they were thought they were related to the Northern Ireland. No, no. I have that wrong. Nor is it actually the Syracuse nickname has gone through many poorly chosen names, including they deny this, that they got to orange men based on their previous mascot, which was the saltine warrior who is a Indian caricature. They they they got out of that early enough and just said, oh, no, orange man means a sentient orange. Yeah, that's that's a good one, Syracuse. Yeah, clever. But then they went from the gendered men and women to just the orange. So now it is just the Syracuse orange men's team and the Syracuse orange women's team and all the athletics that they competed. Of course, of course. And the Cincinnati red legs are now the reds, right? Is that so? Yeah, OK. It takes me a lot of catch up on this stuff. But yeah, I'll actually I'll be on a panel for Dio Palooza, the Daily Orange. The no, fantastic paper. I'm on the non-traditional jobs panel. This job is non-traditional. Gotcha. So what you're going to help everybody learn how to do something to kind of kind of crazy with their career, potentially work at the Washington Post or Boston Globe. Right. Right. That's that's a crazy thing that I'm going to extol the virtues of not getting into the print paper pipeline. Well, we should probably do the traditional thing of Daily Tech News Show at half past the hour. Sarah, would you be so kind as to read line three today? I would. That's very nice of you. I know. Is everyone prepared? Indeed. Yes. Roger. Yes. OK, here we go. And three, two. Ed DeWald has supported independent tech news directly for. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So it's entirely my fault. I slipped my fingers slipped on the mouse. That's all right. How do you use a mouse? There we go. Three, two. Ed DeWald has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Ed and become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, April 11th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane from the shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert Young and I'm the show's producer. One of these days I'll come from the shores of Lake Young. Just to find a Lake Young. Yeah, there's got to be a few young somewhere or Lake Lane, Lake Chiang. I'll find one of them anyway. There's yeah, if there isn't a Lake Lane, get on it, people. We are going to talk about the fact that Bloomberg has a report out describing how Amazon team members as well as Apple and Google listen to some recordings made by voice assistants and whether or not that bothers us. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. At the Google Cloud Next conference, the company announced that Google Plus for enterprise, which is not being shut down like the consumer network, will be rebranded as Google Currents. If the name sounds familiar, it was also the name of a previous Google magazine app. Pre-order reservations for the Samsung Galaxy fold open Friday, April 12th. No money is required to reserve the right to pre-order. The $1,980 device will be released April 26th. In a statement, the Netherlands Authority for Consumers and Markets said it will investigate Apple for abusing a dominant market position, quote, by giving preferential treatment to its own apps. The investigation will center on Apple and its app store, which has received the most complaints. But the regulator said it's also going to ask app makers to flag any problems on that Google Play Store as well. And they might look into that if they get enough complaints. Let's talk a little bit about the arrest of Julian Assange. The U.S. Department of Justice is charged, Julian Assange, with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion of a classified computer system. The indictment accuses Assange of helping Chelsea Manning in, quote, cracking a password stored on the United States Department of Defense computers connected to the secret internet protocol network. Unquote the United States government network used for classified documents and communications. The Washington Post printed excerpts of the chat between Assange and Manning, where Assange says he gives hashes of passwords to our guys to crack. Ecuador removed its asylum protection of Assange Thursday, accusing him of intervening in the internal affairs of other states. He has been arrested on a charge of breaching bail in the UK. And the extradition request has been filed by the United States. So it seems that he's coming to America. Yeah, maybe. I mean, he's been arrested twice. The original reason he went into asylum in Ecuador was to avoid being arrested for charges relating to a case in, I believe, Sweden. Yeah, that case has expired. But the avoidance of the arrest and jumping bail has not. So he'll he'll definitely face that. But it sounds like it'll be extradited to the US. Everyone was expecting that, but they were expecting him to be charged with publication. And everybody was gearing up for a free press fight in the court. Turns out, at least in the court, we're not going to get a free press fight that the Department of Justice is going after him for assisting Manning by saying, hey, we'll help you crack that password.  Now, Assange's lawyers and supporters will certainly make this into a free press fight. That is their their statement reflected in the court of public opinion. Absolutely. Yeah. And they are going to try to make the case that, look, these things are connected that you can parse between like how you get the information and if you publish the information. But ultimately, this was a public good that you cannot prove that this information was incorrect. And so therefore, it should be protected under the First Amendment. Whether or not that will fall on sympathetic years remains to be seen. I will add that the case that Swin has actually the Statue of Limitations ends this August. So there is a potential that they could bring that case back up. The officials in Swin dropped the case because there was a very low probability of getting him into custody. But now that this has occurred, that might change. Everything I've read says that it's probably not going to change. But that's a fair point to note there. Really, what we're talking about it on Daily Tech News Show for though is because he's going to face a computer intrusion charge that can carry a very weighty punishment. We talk a lot about how it can carry punishments for fairly innocuous things. This is a case where what he did could be considered somewhat innocuous, which is like, hey, Manning, I'll help you meet some guys who can help you crack this hash-pash word. But because he was involved in that, even though he didn't actually do any of the hacking himself, the act in the United States allows them to prosecute Julian Assange on those charges. Security researchers Maddie Vanhoef and Eyal Ronan disclosed five vulnerabilities being called Dragonblood that affect WPA3 Wi-Fi security and authentication. They include a denial of service attack, two downgrade attacks and two side channel information leaks. The last four of those can be used to exfiltrate user passwords by exploiting flaws in the dragonfly key exchange. The downgrade attacks cause the network to use an older insecure password exchange system. And the side channel leaks force networks to use leaky algorithms that allow a password to be discovered after repeated attacks. The Wi-Fi Alliance announced a security update for the WPA3 standard to mitigate the attacks and vendors must now integrate the changes into their firmware.  Whether you hear about this kind of story or not, but yes, make sure when your firmware update comes next that you do as you always do. I know you always do it. Get that firmware up to date. These are offline dictionary attacks that are made possible by these vulnerabilities and it's good news that security researchers found them and are allowing them to get patched now. Yeah, that's really the man. I wonder if we could have some kind of like rubric or database for like time between first, you know, first understanding and disclosure like that there should be some sort of like, Hey, we've caught this in the wild. It doesn't seem to be being circulated on, you know, the certain forums where we're near dwells could get to them. Yeah, it's not in the wild if you haven't caught it being circulated that just just to use the industry standard terms. But I know what you mean. Like we found this and we made sure that it's not there. And there there actually are disclosure rules about that and how long it's OK to keep it secret and all that sort of stuff. So, yeah. Acer announced its concept D line of laptops marketed at people who do video editing and illustration. The concept D9 is a transforming laptop with a 17.3 inch 4k display built in Wacom's pen support has a ninth gen Core i9 processor up to 32 gigabytes of RAM, an RTX 2080 Nvidia GPU up to a terabyte of NVMe SSD storage. That's the flagship. The concept D7 laptop has a 15.6 inch 4k display with ninth gen Core 7 and RTX 2080 Max Q. Everything else is pretty much the same. And then the concept D5 drops down to the eighth gen Core i7 or i5. The Radeon RX Vega M graphics card and a max of 16 gigabytes of RAM. They're all targeted towards creators, though, with some pretty beefy specs. No prices are released dates yet. There were also two concept D desktops, the 500 with a ninth gen Core i9 Nvidia Quadro RTX 400 GPU and up to 64 gigabytes of DDR5 RAM coming in June for about $1,600 to start. But the PSD resistance is the concept D900 with dual Xeon gold processors with 40 cores and video's Quadro RTX 6000 GPU and up to a hundred ninety two gigabytes of RAM all for only $20,000. Oh, well, my birth is coming up. You know what to get? So, so Tom, who would be the target demo for for these people who are frustrated with that keyboard on the MacBook Pro and other things about the MacBook Pro? I mean, or or people who are maybe into the surface right now and it's it's creative abilities, video editors, you know, folks doing illustration, etc. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm somewhat in the market for a machine that can can crunch video data faster than what my MacBook Pro, which is a decent machine, is able to do. I'm getting a lot of system overload stuff moving into, you know, the Windows world that could be a deterrent for Mac folks, certainly. But as somebody who goes back and forth between both of the OSes, I like the idea of a 17.3 inch 4K display and the pen support as well is something that I think once you get used to it. And I know Scott Johnson would back me up on this. You you can't really live without it. So that's that's that that is going to be really attractive to video editors either who are working this way already or who are looking to work this way potentially for, you know, something that's competitive. We don't know the prices yet. But assuming that they are competitive prices, these are really nice specs. Nvidia has released a driver that lets you turn on ray tracing effects in the GeForce GTX 10 and 16 series cards like the GTX 1080 and GTX 1660. For those not keeping close track, ray tracing is one of the big advantages of getting an RTX card through only Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Battlefield 5 and Metro Exodus yet support it. Nvidia's own benchmarks show none of the GTX card get beyond 25 frames per second on Tomb Raider, except the 1080 Ti, which hits 34 frames per second. The RTX cards range from 44 to 84 frames per second. So this is really in video. Try to get people to buy RTX cards by saying, hey, we'll let you try ray tracing on our GTX cards. And you'll see just how badly you need those RTX cards.  Congratulations. The question is whether anyone wants to eat garbage, right? Like there's only three games with ray tracing. If there was a big demand for these ray tracing games, then this gambit might work better. I'm not sure that people are that hungry for it yet, though. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think it's just another option. Some people want to use it. They want to experience it, even if it's in a lower FPS mode.  You just want to see what it might look like in a lesser thing and then say, oh, but imagine how buttery, smooth it might. Imagine if I wasn't watching a slideshow of this video game, but an actual flowing video. Yeah, you know, all I need is that RTX card. Yeah. And also, if you've got a 1080 Ti, there's some good news about how good its frame rate was with the with the with the new ray tracing driver. Pretty nice. Ford CEO Jim Hackett told the Detroit Economic Club on Tuesday, we overestimated the arrival of autonomous vehicles. Now, Ford still plans to launch an autonomous car fleet in 2021, but it will be geofenced because in Hackett's words, the problem is so complex. Hackett still believes that fully autonomous vehicles will come, saying, quote, logistics and ride structures and cities all get redesigned. I won't be in charge of Ford when this is going on, but I see it clearly. Ford is also testing its autonomous vehicles in Miami, Washington, D.C. and Detroit currently. Yeah, if you didn't realize it, Ford is actually out there along with Waymo and Uber and Neuro and all these other companies that are that are getting their business plans together for offering autonomous cars, usually as fleets. And that's what the 2021 date is about. For years, people have been writing into this show saying, I don't know. I think autonomous cars are a lot farther out than these companies are saying because of X, Y and Z. And up until now, we really haven't had any executive of a company say they weren't. Then we get this, the Ford CEO saying, yeah, maybe not. Maybe 2021 for some kind of geofenced self-driving cars, but not maybe what we were expecting. We have Uber out there delaying their plans, which you, of course, can attribute to the fact that they had a fatality which set them back. That could be part of that. And then you have Waymo out there offering commercial service to a beta test group and everyone's waiting for them to expand that and we're not hearing from them. So I don't know, where do you guys think this puts this? Well, before the show, my knee-jerk reaction was like, well, it's Ford. It's a big company and they've been in the game for a long time and doing it the old way of cars. And you said, well, no, I mean, Ford is definitely at the forefront of technology when it comes to autonomous vehicles and what the competitors are doing. It's definitely on an even playing field. So it's not because Ford is behind the times or can't keep up. But I and myself and I know certain guests on the show, this show over the last couple of years, every once in a while, you know, you hear someone being like in six months, you know, all Ubers are just going to be autonomous. And you think that doesn't seem possible. And regulatory reasons are the things that always that trip me up because it's not so much that the technology doesn't work. But there are so many reasons that only certain cities are test beds for this sort of thing. And, you know, what's a real role I going to look like? And yeah, it's not right around the corner after all. It's not. And this is for basically taking this from the think about this now to literally the CEO saying, don't think that this is going to be a marge scale reality until I'm no longer the CEO. So do not expect any help from me about how I'm launching this gigantic new initiative. You guys are going to figure it out. I won't be here, but I see it clearly. Yeah, you're going to get it. You're going to get it. Nail it, guys. I'm so so proud of all of you from here in the past. To me, this is for saying, look, we thought we would be able to have a product that could swim amongst the chaos that is our streets now at this point. We obviously want to continue to be in the game. We want to have the solution for when the moment meets it. But we are looking at the large scale impact of this economically for Ford to be once the the cities are designing autonomous only lanes and stuff like that. And that city planning is wrapped around this idea and not just, hey, I hopped in my car in the driveway. I hit the button and now I go to sleep because I'm on my way to work. Yeah, you know, another aspect of this is Ford has been doing a lot of cutbacks and cost. And it may be that part of the reason that they're cutting back on their estimates is they know how much money it would take to stay on track. Maybe it's not just a matter of technology, but the amount of money they would have to throw at the R&D and they're just like, you know what? It's just not worth it because there's still a chance that it won't hit on time. So let's just scale back our expectations. And one more thing to your point with Uber, like Uber and Lyft ride sharing in general and theoretically where that market would look like in an autonomous car world, you need the buyers to buy the fleets, right? Like you need you need those companies that are buying. If Uber is taking a step back in their own technology, then the question of where those buyers are, where those buyers are going to be is a big, big, big blank space. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, don't forget you can subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. So Bloomberg spoke to seven Amazon staff members who review recordings from Amazon Voice Services in order to improve responses. Now, there are things to get upset about in this story, but I want to start by setting the table at that's not a bad thing. Having Amazon employees, actual humans reviewing recordings in order to help train machine learning is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to improve machine learning. It's all about how you implement that plan, which is what we're going to get into. But actually, I'm going to talk to Karen Howe from MIT Technology Review this weekend, you'll get this in the feed about what machine learning is. And I think after you hear that, if you get a better explanation of how machine learning actually works beyond the hype, you'll understand that, oh, OK, so they're improving the training data set. That's a good thing. However, we it's all the devils always in the details of how you go about implementing that human review. According to Bloomberg, Amazon's not alone. Apple and Google also have staff reviewing recordings to help improve systems. For Amazon, reviewers will transcribe and annotate voice clips and then add them to data for the machine learning algorithm to use to improve. So an example given in the Bloomberg article is a worker in Boston who said they would just look through, they would scan through for people saying Taylor Swift and then mark that to make sure that the algorithm knew when they say Taylor Swift, they're not saying two separate words. They're talking about the musical artist and that would improve recognition. And don't get the impression that all they did was help Taylor Swift. This is just one example among thousands and millions. Amazon said in a statement to Bloomberg, it does this to quote an extremely small sample of Alexa voice recordings and claimed, quote, employees do not have direct access to information that can identify the person or account as part of this workflow. All information is treated with high confidentiality and we use multi-factor authentication to restrict access, service, encryption and audits of control environment to protect it. Those are the right words to say multi-factor encryption, limited information. Great. However, a screenshot that Bloomberg got showed that when a reviewer is looking at the recordings, they see an account number, a customer first name and a device serial number. That's a lot of information to have on somebody. According to a white paper from Apple, Apple voice recordings are linked to a random ID number, which is reset every time Siri turns off. So you can't even link a number with a person and those ID numbers are stripped from any voice recording kept for more than six months. And human reviewers don't even receive that random ID. Google says its clips are not associated with personally identifiable information and voices are distorted to disguise the customer voice. Okay, that's kind of interesting. But let's talk for a second real quick about what smart speakers do. They have a mic and a small buffer that checks for a wake word. This is where a lot of confusion comes in. This buffer is continually emptied. No security researcher has found that any speaker continuously sends that voice data to a server. A lot of people think, well, it's always listening. It could be sending. It apparently doesn't. We may catch it doing that someday, but we haven't. However, the problem comes when the wake word is detected. The recording is sent to the server for processing and response. That's how it knows how to tell you what time it is or play your music track or whatever. Those are the recordings that are being reviewed. Now, often it can accidentally be triggered and record something. So that would go in there too. And that's part of this review is to decide when that has happened and tell the algorithm, hey, that was a mistake. You shouldn't have been active to help reduce those numbers of false activations. So what do you do about the information that they have collected on you? Well, Amazon says you can stop letting recordings be used to help develop new features, although apparently sometimes your voice recordings still might be used in these reviews. And you can listen to and delete recordings in your app. Apple says it can't let you see or delete your recordings because it doesn't know which are yours since they're not associated with any personally identifiable information, which is an interesting answer. And Google lets you listen to and delete recordings on your My Activity page and you can switch off the web and app history tracking and voice and audio activity for Google Assistant, although that will make Google Assistant nag you a lot to turn it back on. All right. So now that we understand what they're doing, why they're doing it and what control, if any, you have over it, how do you guys feel about it? They're listening to me. Sorry. Just kidding. Hey, you gotta get that up. No, this is one of those stories where to me, the devil is in the disclosure and security. It's not necessarily a bad practice by Amazon to continue to get this service better. That is what the humans are doing in this process or listening to clips of what people are saying and matching them to get better in terms of the voice recognition and using machine learning to do that. The problem more so is exactly how much data is listed alongside your voice and whether or not we believe as the consumers that Amazon has been transparent in saying, Hey, Amazon employees going to see your name and your voice and the serial number of your device. Yeah. When I, when I, when I see something like Amazon saying, and this was what said to Bloomberg. This is just an extremely small sample of Alexa voice recordings. My initial question is how many is extremely small sample. I, you know, Amazon. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's, that's, that's vague, but okay, let's say it's an extremely small sample. And I'm, I'm, I'm definitely of the probably should be more paranoid group. Uh, I have smart speakers in my house, several of them. Uh, I talk to them frequently, yell at them occasionally, not too concerned about it, you know, it knowing that I asked what the weather is four times a day. But, but you know, if you think about, okay, the ultimate like paranoia situation there, I've definitely been, you know, I don't know, let's say a friend in my house who's having a very confidential conversation on the phone and they're in my living room and the words Taylor Swift could be part of that. I don't know why, but let's just say they are. And all of a sudden some of that data gets extracted because it's supposed to, you know, make the AI system better, but there is potentially a human that might get wind of this conversation and be interested by it. So I think that, you know, it always kind of goes back to me of like, well, if nobody on Amazon side is ever being nefarious about anything, then I'm not really concerned, but I can't be assured of that. Yeah. And it does end up being a matter of what are the percentage chances are the percentage chances of someone in Amazon getting that conversation, which happened to trip the wake word and then have Taylor Swift in the conversation and the person decides to listen to the whole conversation, not just annotate the part about Taylor Swift and passes it along to somebody. Is that potential more than someone walking by your window and hearing you through your window? And is that worse? I mean, I'm not saying it is or it is it, but that's the thing you've got to think about. And to Justin's point earlier, it is all about transparency and control. Amazon saying you can turn off the ability to have your recordings help improve the service, but then saying, but sometimes they might still help improve the service. I'm not okay with it's either on or off. You say your recordings can be sent to this or not. And don't say, oh, they might end up there anyway. No, that is not okay. I actually like Apple solution better. Yeah. It's, hey, we don't even know which are yours. We can't even tell you, we can't provide you with a library of what you've said, because we don't know that to me makes me feel more comfortable because this is necessary work. Like this is not, I don't think that what Amazon is doing here is frivolous that they are a market leader in this field and they are continuing to maintain their position because this product, the Echo was a out of the box success because you could just say things that does not happen by accident. It is. It has very, very good recognition for that reason. And this is part of it. But again, it just comes down to be clear Amazon and keep my name off that. That's bad. I don't like the name thing. That actually makes me. Oh, yeah, I didn't like that either. Yeah. Smart speaker, conversations and others can all be contributed to on our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on others at dailytechnusho.reddit.com. If you'd like to hang out on Facebook, we've got a group, facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news shoe. All right, in an interview with our very own Justin Robert Young earlier this week on the politics, politics, politics podcast, Eric Geller, who covers cybersecurity over at Politico discussed actual risks of elections getting hacked. And here's what he thinks might become one of the more frequent attacks on voting. One thing that we haven't heard too much about yet, but I suspect we're going to see a lot of this is attempts to trick election administrators into just handing over their passwords the way that John Podesta was tricked in 2016. We do know that in 2016 they hacked into a Florida based voting technology vendor called VR systems and they use the access to that company to send emails to a bunch of local election officials in Florida. And you know, if you're an election official there, you see this email from VR systems, this is a trusted company. You're much more likely to click on it. I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of that. I think people tend to think of hacking as you know, the war games kind of image of the guy sitting at the computer, you know, and all this random gibberish code passes across the screen. You know, that's really not the most effective way to do it anymore. The best way is to trick people into handing that stuff over and then they don't even necessarily know that they've been compromised.  And it's important to understand that if you do that and Election Day comes and people can't vote, they do have the right to vote on a provisional ballot. Their vote probably will be counted. But what you've done is you've undermined confidence in the system. And if I'm sitting at home at noon and I was planning to vote at five and I see that this is happening, maybe I'll just stay home. Maybe I won't vote. Who knows? I don't want to get mixed up in all that stuff. So you can see how that quickly becomes really problematic. Let me tell you folks, there's more where that came from too. The entire 40-minute interview is packed with really good information about what the actual risks are, what people can actually do. Eric Geller covers this beat specifically. And Justin, you had a great interview with him. Well, thank you so much, Tom. This is obviously very rarely we get to talk about the kind of political side of things of tech. And this was a great, I think this would be a great entry for DTNS listeners to the politics, politics, politics of ecosystem. So everybody, go ahead and check it out. TakePoliticsSeriously.com is where you can find it. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. Mike Keper had a little bit of response of our Amazon Go conversation from yesterday. Mike says, just install an ATM machine that could dispense Amazon gift cards for cash. Then scan the card on entry, scan again on exit to receive change or insert more cash. I don't see any problem, but there are always people that'll try to game or scam a system. A security guard or cashier will still be necessary in any case. That's a great idea. I don't know if it's compliant with the laws or not, but if it was, I think that's a good solution. Also, Preston Monroe, BioCal, wrote in and mentioned that there are gates at these. So you could potentially stop someone or have an alarm go off if they left without paying or didn't have sufficient cash in some of the other solutions we were talking about. And then Warren on the future of iTunes branding said, I like to make the comparison of a club and a bar. You go to a bar to have a drink and you might dance. You go to a club to dance and you probably have a drink. iTunes started as a music file manager that could sync your player. However, it quickly became a tool for device syncing that had features such as management of all types of media files. It changed its fundamental function and became something different. Yeah, club and bar. About analogy, really good stuff. Yeah. And I will just say to that analogy, I very rarely go to clubs and I very rarely like iTunes these days. So there you go.  I do not understand why it has continued to live this bizarre life. It lived a beautiful existence. I remember syncing with my Firewire accord, my iPod. It was my one of my favorite programs now when it opens, when it dares shoot its ugly head into my life, I close it as fast as possible. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of iTunes. The program itself still works for me. I know how to use it and everything. But the naming convention has bothered me, which I went into on yesterday's show, so I won't do it again. But but yeah, thanks, Warren. I I I'm I'm I'm glad you put it into perspective for us. And also thanks to Justin Rubber Young for being with us today. I know you're into politics. Where can people keep up with all of your work? Well, go ahead and check out the politics, politics, politics, podcast. But in general, I would I would also like to say in that interview, there is a furthering of the conversation that we've had on this show about Huawei and the 5G rollout. We get some comment of Eric Geller has asked the same a lot of the same questions that we ask on this show to government officials. And we get some of the perspective of the American government on the 5G rollout and Huawei specifically. Excellent. Also, folks, don't forget that as a member of DTS, you get a few extra things. For instance, that interview with Karen Howe that I mentioned, you're going to get that tomorrow evening. If you're a Patreon subscribers, you get a little early crack at it. You'll also get an editor's desk from me this week, where you get some inside info or explainers or extra stuff. It's all available. Find out everything you can get at patreon.com slash DTNS. If you've got feedback, our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC. Find out more and tell a friend dailytechnewshow.com slash live. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at Frogpants.com. The Entireman Club helps you have enjoyed this program. What? See, not usually in here for the show. She was into that politics segment. She's so good. She says P3X, sign me up. She's a cat. She gets things wrong. Yeah. Sorry. After all of that, Ford, whoa, we are that progressive is a potential title. Google recycles old Damon calls it current Google Currents is the new name of Google Plus. Arrest twice, try once all aboard the kill iTunes train. Wow. Hey, Al, Exa, do you know who I am? I like it kind of like that one actually from before. Yeah. Yeah, Sarah, any preference?  So I think the the Al Exa, do you know who I am? Is Alex? Do you know who I am? Alex, hey, hey, all right, I'm putting it in the dock now for you, Mr. Chang will be your second favorite. Oh, Lord. You could actually there's one in there relating to the pre-show about the lake. Help us find. Oh, I guess I did say that in the actual show, didn't I? Help us find Lake Young. Did we? Oh, yeah. Justin introduced himself as we from Lake Merritt. Oh, yeah, let's go in. Hold on. Lane, Amazon to Bergerak. I like that. I like the concept of that one. All right, Lake Lane in Olien, New York. OK, where's where's Olien? It's, you know, as as I'm going to guess that Lake Lane might be one of the Finger Lakes. Olien, Olien, Fishfingers. Oh, no, it's not one of the fingers, but it is not far from that region. Olien, New York would be Olien, Olien. It's south of Buffalo on the border of Pennsylvania. What fun. I'm looking at photos now at the Lake Lane Campgrounds. Yeah, exactly. And then Yosemite features Young Lakes upper and middle. Of course, Justin gets more than one. Yeah, one for Gloria. Well, there's there's Lake Young. It's a reservoir in King County, Washington. Yosemite is closer to me, though. It is true. I guess I could say that I could fly up and see Biocale in Washington. You could. I've come to see you in the lake. Take me to your lake. Well, there's a Forestville not far from Lake Lane. Forestville, California is not far from where I grew up. Oh, I see. And Lake Erie is also not far. That's just a hop skip and a jump. It's a big old lake. Lake Lane is a small but proud lake. Yes, exactly. A village lake, if you will. This is one of my favorite things to do when you get into a map and you're zoomed in enough where you're like these tiny little towns that I've never been to. Yeah, you know, and I start going like Sweden Valley. There's a Sweden Valley, New York. Yeah. There it is. It's all of Norse, oddly. There is a shingle house. I don't like the sound of that one too much. Yeah. Our houses with shingles are fine. But houses with shingles. I mean, not all, I understand. I have a house with shingles. But shingle houses are pretty, pretty common. I wouldn't think that would be a significant factor. Well, it's sort of like saying like Valley Glen. You know, you're like, that's what it is. That's what it was. Well, that's all like the majority of the Chicago suburbs are like Valley Glen Lake Forest Hills. You're right. Shingle house to me, my mind goes to getting the shingles as a human. Oh, yeah.  It sounds like a Midwest version of Terrace House. You don't want to go to a shingle house. Take your vitamins. Oh, I'm so itchy. They're going to send me to a shingle house. Yeah. And. Don't take don't ever send me burning. Well, that's a good one. Oh, that sounds like you pumped oil at one point. Burning Well, New York. Or actually, are we in Pennsylvania? Oh, I don't know. I'll have to look at my. Yes, burning well, right? With the W. Yeah. By the way, we had a very kind email from someone who had to scramble to turn off DTNS because we were talking about donkeys. We were. What? Well, we were using an alternative term for donkey and we were talking about donkeys, but we were continually using the alternative turn and poor Scott didn't really think about it himself until he looked in the rear view mirror and saw the wide eyes of his five year old. So I apologize to Scott for. This would this would be the Jack Nomenclature. Correct. Correct. Yes. And we did say it quite a few times. And again, we were we were trying to figure out, I don't know, species differences. So there was it was it was that our intentions were good. It was. But yes. And Scott was Scott was not lambasting us. No, not at all. It was really funny watching himself fumbled the radio and was laughing all the way home and hopes that his wife does not hear the results of that episode. Yeah. But yeah. And then he said in response because I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry. He said in the grand scheme of things, it could be so much worse. At least it wasn't Justin on there with his foul mouth, a.k.a. Dr. Bird. See what I did there. Oh, F. O. W. L. Old mouth. I like it. Dr. Bird. The foulest mouth. The deems. Just burden it up. Yeah. How? How's the campaign for the deems going?  He has a lot of a headway on the trail beyond the cage. He is working the phones.  He is fascinated with chewing my iPhone case. He so he told us a little bit of this is what hasn't stopped. It is not doing keyboards. It's sending text messages last time. He was sending. Yeah, he has he has not or he has been less fascinated lately with the keyboard, but far more fascinated with eating my phone. He's working the phones.  Does Dr. Bird like pasta? We have given him pasta. He he's OK with it. His favorite is a spinach. He loves it. Interesting. He had our cockatiel when I was a kid. He there were certain things that he he liked for reasons that were never understood by the rest of us. Yeah, it was one of them. Dry pasta or cook no cooked pasta. It was a combination of eating it and kind of flinging it. So it was messy and horrible. But once he saw the spaghetti, he would be like, you know, he do like I'm a sweet bird and like sing songs so he could have a little bit of it. Yeah, was it cooked or was it just like it was cooked? Yeah, no, it wasn't dry. It was it was just, you know, a string or it were, you know, or or a or a ribbon of whatever we were eating, you know, and you give it to him and he'd be really happy for like 30 minutes. I wonder if he thought it was a worm. Yeah, it's what I was thinking too, actually, but it would just kind of look like it would make him really happy. Well, but it wasn't always spaghetti. Yeah, we had pasta. We had pasta in lots of forms. It was the pasta that he liked. Their their cockadeels are very textural. OK, all right. They like chewing different things.  Right, which was that was where the fling would come from, you know, to build up and then start making a real mess like, yeah, we'll give Dr. Bird or some of the other birds rice sometimes. And and he'll build up a little rice beard cooked cooked rice. I see cooked rice. Yeah. Yeah. Not not raw, not raw. No, no, raw is extraordinarily bad for him. Yeah. It expands in their tiny little tummies. It's bad for pretty much any creature that eats raw rice. Yes. Yeah, including us.  You hear that? Yeah, if for any of you that we're doing that. Yeah, enough of that. None of those tied. All right. That raw rice challenge that's going around on Tick Tock. The raw rice challenge. Gosh, what did Squeakers used to? He also loved he loved pasta. He loved. Well, he didn't love to eat sponges, but he loved to be padded with a sponge. Yeah. Oh, the sponge. It was his favorite thing, you know, it was it was as if he was in love with with the sponge. Yeah, it was it was his greatest, greatest moment. Strange, just it was weird. Birds are weird, but it was so cute. It was so cute. Yeah, yeah. We get a new sponge. It'd be like, oh, let's pet him. On the town road. You know, kind of flap his wings and be all excited. Oh, by the way, Tick Tock by Bloomberg reporting that Uber has filed their IPA. Ah, filed it now. Very good under the ticker Uber. You know, they got Uber. Wow. Yeah, so this was expected that it would happen today. The other thing that's going to happen today that I haven't yet seen word about is Disney giving their Disney Plus presentation. They're going to explain all about Disney Plus to investors and stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we might find out some more of Deets. Oh, most of that stuff's out there already, but apparently Hawkeye is going to have a Marvel series. Oh, yeah. If you thought Endgame was going to be the end for Hawkeye, apparently not, he's going to have a series on Disney. Well, yeah, I mean, it could be a prequel. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, he is. He is right. Right. I'm not trying to spoil Endgame. I'm just here. You know, I kind of thought maybe he would not want to do the part anymore after that, whether his character, you know, lived or died. But sounds like he. Are you aware of how weird Jeremy Renner is? I mean, no, probably not, given what you're telling me. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. Video folks, don't forget tomorrow. Patrick Norton's on the show. He's going to be talking about headphones. Going to be talking about high quality music service. So stick around. Come back for that. 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Oh James all right, yes Yeah, welcome to the biggest podcast hip-hop the biggest hip-hop podcast in the universe I'm here with my of my co-host DJ soda can what's good yo. How's it going, man? Is there like a sound button I can hit? Yeah Yeah When the collab drops Introduce yourself guys. My name is James Wallace. I make clothes. I also make music and do funny stuff and Mostly on Instagram. That's what I do for a living. I Am here in New York to shoot some stuff and My friend will and I just did a big Shoot that we did together for some jerseys, which I think went really well Yeah, and I think the the fans will really like them. Hopefully the enjoyers the enjoyers will love the content guys We're always yeah, our solid slaves. Do you want to? What are Our lovely consumers. Yeah guys without your consumption habits and your Need to feel cool need to feel cool me and James would be working at Aldo's own But instead you would be I'll be all right. Where would you be working? Yeah We've not for the funny t-shirts we'd be in it. We'd be in a shallow and early sad grave. It's funny Here we are. It's funny.  Oh, but the Joe Rogan one do we sold like 700 of those?  It was just t-shirts and then I Don't know. Do you remember how much money you made? Oh, dude. I actually I have a really funny story So I um the first like day I started HS like the day I like made the website for the t-shirts I think I made like like 1500 bucks and this was like I just graduated high school.  I did did the orientation like the day before my first shift I dropped on Starbucks.  Yeah, dude. I went there and I was like, yeah Oh, yeah, this is great And then I remember talking one like one of the guys there like some old old guy and I was like Oh, you know like I want to go to university. Oh, yeah, like I did I did that too I went to school. I was like, Jesus Christ What the fuck, you know, that's dude and also another job it went for I tried to work at H&M when I was like a kid Like and I was talking to the like in the interview I was like, oh, yeah, I want to go to school for fashion and like the manager at the H&M was like Oh, I went to Ryerson like the school I went to I was like I want to go to this program It's like I went to that program. Oh really?        I can actually check right now I have like I have a credit karma app downloaded. I have good credit though So you really if anyone's you're paying it down right now or did you did you pay it down fully? No, I'm like, I don't know. I think I might just not pay it. There's no reason to pay it Yeah, I think I'm different if anything I'm just gonna like delay it Is there interest on it? Where's the interest? I don't know man. I can't as a kid who gives a third.  Yeah, which is what I did instead of let's go Yeah, I bought a Porsche recently. That was cool. That felt good.  I'm not like pretentious I don't care like I I'm not trying to seem cool. I love haunted Starbucks.    Yeah, I didn't I've just been I haven't really like my expenses are super low, so I don't really What are your expenses? VW yeah, I had another car, but now the Port Portia girl annoying girlfriend Yeah, no, she's awesome. I love her but that's about it and like food and like, you know like But I'm interested when you're saving when you're saving throughout the years Are you putting away like a static amount every drop or no?  It seems to be going okay now, but like for a while there was pretty I don't know what's happening, you know, and so tell like when Because you you have the vaccine slump But what was that like like where you truly crippled by it for a couple months?  Oh, you look fine.       They destroyed your body for yeah Yeah, no seriously and it's like for dude.      Let's do it and I banged out the meth hoodie I did the the McRicks. Yeah, I did like that big Shrek backpack that did really well And I just had like a hit after hit after hit idea.   No, I like I it's not that I don't like the funny aspect of it. I really like that It's just that like I feel like the t-shirt has a medium It's like the medium.  It's like my thing.  It's just I want it to be cut and so I want to make I want to make it interesting I want to make it like a Something that's like very unique and specific and like it's not you can't just like go and buy another hoodie of the exact same Like style somewhere else with a different logo on it, you know So I guess it's I guess it's more about like wanting to design more elaborate stuff because I'm always gonna make kind of funny stuff It's like I love it. It's you know, I Want this to be fun, right?   Like you you got rich parents. You make clothing. It's like just have some fun with it, man It's it's really not that deep and I don't know.   I'm not or whatever. So What do you what would you call yourself? What are you? Content creator no Caster tick tocker. I'm a youtuber No, I'm kidding. I just It might sound kind of lame, but I think I just call myself an artist. Yeah, because I make music too I'm dropping an album urban legend. Yeah suburb legend and it's produced by my friend Rapallo and it's gonna be on Varg's record label cease to exist, which is dope because Yeah, that's really cool But yeah, anyways, I just make I think I'm just an artist, you know, that's what I call myself It's I don't know if it's pretentious or not, but it's fun.  I think it's good. Thanks I'm interested the thing I'm interested in is like the details of your life. Okay, like How I live in stuff. Yeah, because you're an artist mall I'll call you a multimedia artist from the Styx in Canada. Oh, yeah, so tell me You've told me you're from the country like kind of back roads.  So I'm not in I'm not in like a country. I'm in like a like a suburb just a very far out one. Okay, so it's not like It's like what city Toronto. Yeah, I'm like an hour from Toronto That's why but one of the reasons why I got the cars because like Where I live you got to drive everywhere. I spend like three hours a day in the car Oh, really?  So I'll pack 10 or 15 up put in my car 10 or 15 10 week orders 10 week old orders Yeah, yeah, I'm really bad at shipping But also another if anyone's watching this and they're mad at me because their stuff takes long to ship I work it on my parents basement. There's no one involved in the process but me. I'm all just doing it by hand I'm packing every single order. There's not there's no like fulfillment center. There's no company It's just me like my girlfriend helps me out a little bit, but that's that's basically it. Tell me I'm let me let me ask you a series of questions. So what time are you waking up, dude? I have I? Late on a good day good day like like 11 30 12. Oh really? I'm just dude. I'm I don't know. I just I'm not I don't wake up early. So you wake up 11 30 Let's say but also to like Charlotte my girlfriend like works really late because she is a bar She works at like a bar.  So that's when you link her like after after work Yeah, it's I mean most of the time sometimes she doesn't work. We'll just hang out during the day But yeah, usually we'll hang out at night because it's I'll go pick her up or something so when you wake up Are you doing?  No, I get up vitamins. Oh, yeah, I get up I do I do a b12. I do an Omega 3. I do a vitamin C I do I'm sometimes I'll do a b12 injection too because I have really low b12 It was like prescribed by the doctor because of the vaccine. Yeah, of course I do I'm on a blood thinner. It's called plavax.   I feel better Yeah, no, I know like I'm like I feel like even since the last time I saw you I'm feeling better Oh, yeah, you seem better like I feel less like tied down by it and more so I mean honestly the worst part of it was meant anyways Yeah, but so you wake up you're in bed. Are you looking at the phone dude? Honestly, you got a quick morning jerkin No, I'm a night if I'm doing it tonight. Okay. I like to okay. So don't let me interrupt. Okay, you wake up I wake up.   I'll go skate I'll go to the gym. I like to get like an hour of exercise a day Yeah, just for like my mental health more so than physical. I feel like if you move your body get some sunlight It's like you just I feel like one thing people don't understand about being an artist for a living I think you too.  That's not true.  Happy having a good time like no stress, right? So you got to keep your mental health good and for me the best way to do that is just rigorous physical exercise I think people romanticize the Hollywood version of like the star of it like kind of the Tyler Durden fight club guy Who's like writing this manifesto in a beat-down apartment? It's like no if I'm getting if I'm getting too in a blow jobs and eating nice meals and yeah Getting good exercise. I'll prop you would think the quality of the product would be better I actually really like talking to Actually, I don't I don't know if I like talking though But I like I like trying to give kids in high school advice too because I had a really shitty high school experience I like trying to like help out kids that are like in like, you know, oh this sucks Like I don't have any friends.   There was like 200 kids in my high school.    That's that's the main piece of advice if you kill yourself You can't do it.       I was crazy. Yeah, it's like Great, dude. That's yeah good for you. I guess, you know, I'm you're 25 years old Yeah, high school was eight years ago.       What's your go to Starbys order? I have I have two stories from what you just said, okay? First I like in the morning actually dude.  I guess I can't but honestly I'll probably get a Starbucks tattoo it one day. I do like Starbucks. I just I don't know I want to support the little guy anyways If it's a really nice day, I'll get an iced coffee in the morning and then by the like the second coffee I'll have is a cappuccino I'm grinding. Yeah grande cappuccino. No sugar. You don't go for no ice white mochas No, I don't like the sugar. That's like one my one advice to people trying to lose weight You know, don't eat sugar. That's like the one thing you can't do no soda I'm I know I'm drinking a diet coke, but like this is fake sugar.   Don't put sugar in your coffee If you do just put like a let's put like a enough to just cancel the bitterness out Mm-hmm put more milk in it.  You just don't need soda.   That's important.  Yeah, you know, but anyways, you know who drinks the most disgusting beverages of all time, but He is an exception to the rule. He's very skinny as Kentucky boy Tyler Dude used to be addicted to the gas station Duncan's yeah drink like three or four of them But now he gets the venti ice white mocha twice a day. I'm gonna be real with you. I got a buddy his name is Chris He's a Extremely talented skater. I think he's might go pro knock on wood But um, he um, he's on monster now and he For the longest time I was like 19.  Do you are does that interest you pursuing weightlifting more than you do? Yeah, as soon as my heart gets better So like dude, I'll hit all hit all hit squats. Yeah, and I'll be like I'll be like like hard. I'll be boom boom boom. It'll hit me so hard.  I'll why don't feel that good Yeah, it's not nice, but do you wish you could lift like if you were oh dude If I was able to I would be like magic mic right now 100% really yeah I mean I'm powering through it. I still work out. I'll just I just take it a little slower And I don't go as hard as I used to how often do you work out? Depends man. Honestly not as much as I'd like to maybe once a week twice a week Honestly, like if it's a good week, I skate though every day. I'm getting I'm getting cardio every day So that's why I'm still not fat. Good. It's good. I also don't eat that much, but anyways Wait, can I get Ken? We were doing your daily routine. That's oh, yeah, I want to keep going sure so you get You drop all the packages off let's say one or two p.m. Then you get your hour of activities and yeah When are so in the evening and the early evening? Are you going home and going on Photoshop and doing a gesture like when he How many days a week are you doing like some today? I'm gonna do okay? mock-ups, okay, so I would say I'll drop off present packages, and I'll go to a coffee shop. I'll get a cappuccino I'll pop my laptop open. I'll get like 40 minutes of work done. So you like working in public Yeah, I just I don't like being in my house unless for sleeping or relaxing. I like being out. Yeah I don't know. I think I need to get an office. Yeah, but yeah, I don't I don't really like being in my house too much Especially if it's nice. I like getting a lot of sunlight, you know So if it's a nice day if the sun's out, I just don't like being inside So I'll go to a cafe. Do you have to do lists or anything like that? Yeah, but not like too formally like maybe like I'll wake up in the morning. I'll pull up my notes Yeah, all right. They're like the night before I'll like write out like what I got to do that day.  I'm not as planned as I used to be and I'm a lot more ADD Just because I like not feeling right in your own body is such a distracting thing That it's hard. It's hard for me to like sit and focus is the same way I used to be able to So I'm very ADHD. Although I'm not, you know, I'm obviously not gonna take anything for it But I'm very jumpy. I'm very all over the place You would never take anything for you. Fuck.  Just go just go harder. Go do some push-ups.  I'm serious.   Yeah, dude.    No, okay.   Yeah, have a beer if anything you do It should be to like it should be a tool. You should use it for you.    I think that criminalization and and like That kind of bad look that alcohol has gotten has to be Related from big weed from big weed, but also big pharma big pharma, bro People didn't have antidepressants for the first 90% of human history. What do they have?


Welcome back to the channel guys. I hope you guys have been enjoying these videos I know me and Nathaniel have even Morgan out there doing some training on the bow and then her going through the decoys all stuff Also, that's been going on honestly. It's been a blast Kelly. I feel like student. I'm normally good But it might be just because I haven't done in a while, but it's crazy how fast they learn honestly They pick things up so fast.  So this video is going to be a little bit of a series of days Spread out because we're gonna start working on I think she's six months today, huh? Is it 23 weeks? So 23 weeks today, so we're like a week shy of six months, which is totally fine But now is where the work begins. We've been anticipating this and wait for this to happen You know that Daniel's been excited about it, but it's gonna be it's not just like obedience training now It's this is where the work begins. So today is the first day day one of Heal training. Let's go ahead and get started. All right guys, so we're gonna start with the heel training today We're not gonna do nothing crazy. We're just gonna do Straight lines, okay with a turn in it and I got all these links in the description below Okay, but this is a 30-foot floating check cord that we've been using from the very get-go and Tell how much you did there Nathaniel on it. Well, I put the knot in it towards When I put it on her neck it stays tore it won't come off all the way and just give a bunch of slack And then she'll be stepping on it and yeah, just perfect on her neck So I'll talk more about what we're gonna do But just make sure let me zoom in on that and see how he just kind of made a knot are you gonna be able to get that out? Yeah, it comes out really okay, because at some point guys You will have to take that out when she actually grows and stuff, but she looks like she's ready her towels wagon. You ready?  Yes with Chris Aiken do you understand everything he pretty much said yeah, okay? So I'm not gonna say nothing it really is yeah I'll kind of explain as he's getting her ready as he's walking with her if she gets out of line Or is trying to veer off left or right? He's gonna check her with this check for right He's gonna check it kind of pop her and with that slack in there on her Check for it's gonna leave a little bit of slack She's gonna be walking and if she's like starting to veer off or not staying in line with him at healing He's gonna pop it like pop her to remind her. Hey, this is what you're supposed to do He's gonna keep her basically right out as you know ankles basically in calves right there by her Just like you would and when he does that he's gonna say heal so he'll pop it It's a heel if she gets out of line now Chris Aiken says when she's doing good to say good girl good girl So she's getting the point through her head You know that she she is doing good So I'll kind of talk through it as we go But again, I'm not I'll try not do so much talking once we get going because after this Then we're gonna do outside circles inside circles figure eight So we're gonna make it start making it tough on her there you go guys see how much slack isn't it? But it's not gonna fall off her neck This is totally fresh guys They'll chew at it nip at it. They'll figure it out though. Okay, you remember Nathaniel though Hold on and tell her sit remember Are you to say heel when you pop her say heel?  Always the left if you have your dog on your left side, you got to start with your left foot every time this is huge Very very important Always start out with your left foot when you start to heal We'll probably see a little chaos here for a minute, but it's okay because See what Nathaniel just did there He kind of brought his right foot around the back and kind of tapped her on the rear That's another method that Chris uses because he really one night when when you stop they should sit right away Okay, well now stop her saying There she did that good good girl okay now Between here and there let's do to stop and sit you know what I mean Okay, make sure you stop first before you say sit that was good. See I was good Okay, he's been doing outside circles, which is totally fine meaning she's on the outside in the turn He's gonna do some on the inside and what that will do is help kind of him check her with his leg So she's kind of getting the hint like okay We're turning because it's it's tricky up first, but she'll get it. She's already picking it up fast So let's go ahead and try that You don't got to feel forced to walk fast or anything just walk which I know you already walk fast anyways Nathaniel But gives her time to think a little bit more Good. That's good. All right guys. We're on day three. So we started on a Thursday Nathaniel worked with her a couple more times He worked with her Friday and today's Saturday and so we're now we're gonna amp it up a little bit We're gonna do some sit stay. We're gonna do which sit is the same word So you don't say stay he's gonna do straight lines real quick and work with her Which she's already doing way better and then we're gonna throw in some outside circles and inside circles So I'm doing some crazier stuff Maybe some loops She's definitely progressed Since two days ago She's doing really good Get her to do it quick pop that collar pop it till she sits See she's doing good Another another 10 to 15 days. She'll be Right on top of him. She's actually doing really good for her third day She's doing good case it throws it in there Get it quick. You got to make that snappy. So now what we're gonna do is integrate sit stay Which again sit is the only word to use people use different words Someone asked the other day why we use kennel for everything instead of like place But Chris that's what Chris Aiken teaches and the thing with that is as well the less words to me That I can say in my book of words is the better and less confusing for the dog because Kennel means into or onto so it covers everything jump on the back of your truck bed going inside their dog kennel Going on the dog stand. It's all the same thing. It may not to us is like well, it's it's a You know dog stand why not say place or whatever?  You just say sit.  Okay, okay?  We we type we put this little knot there so it doesn't fall off But you can put pressure you put pressure it gets their attention, right? It's not hurting.  That's okay Okay, sit Grab the rope with my left hands and I'm gonna step back with my left that Left foot as I say here here Sit she's losing attention to Here Sit Just swing them out a little while sit here Sit sit because once we're done Once we get done with this we can get rid of this like in another month month or two Get rid of this and just do equal and I won't have to say a single word besides hand motions and Gestures with my hands or feet feel You All right day nine with Kelly she's officially over six months old she was six months old four days ago five days ago, so They've been working on Sit stay and heal for about nine days now So we're gonna get started Nathaniel has been telling me that she's kind of been pulling the old the I'm tired You know stunt when they're training and that's what's gonna happen You're gonna notice when you start working on some of this stuff. They're gonna act like they're tired They're gonna lay down That's just them basically trying to see what they can get away with and being kind of a little you know Teenager or whatever no offense teenagers Anyways, so we're gonna get started. Let's see the progress. She's made she's definitely doing a way better way better It's 90s of work Like I said, you already see her just starting to yawn and starting to act as interested and hasn't been going in two minutes Just gotta push through that But guys don't make your training sessions any longer than five to ten minutes You can do multiple a day. Just don't go over that one session 15 at the max Chris says All right guys, this is the final Section of this video Kelly will be she'll be seven months But this is gonna be the end of this video this session right here So I've showed you kind of progressive over time how much her and Nathaniel have worked on it how good she's gotten that sit stay here and He'll they've done been doing great every time I come out here There's major progress and just help where I can but Nathaniel has been doing a great job been watching those Chris Aiken videos and Give a thumbs up if you guys are enjoying this video share it around, but let's go ahead Let's let's see him work right now and see how they're doing outside circles are the hardest ones to do Because they can she's doing really good That's good Way better than last time Notice how he puts his hand out in front of her says here puts his hand out. She comes in Here tells wagon She's in good spirits. That's one of the things Chris says. You got to keep them Good spirits when you're training. She's doing really good on you. I was good. I was good. She's doing good I've just been feeding the same because she's 55 pounds yet or not Guys we're going off the chart on the you can in the Nathaniel switched her over to the the puppy blend for the large breed and This does have Glute co-samina and can joint it as well and then we're going off this chart in the back And what was the last weight you got off her I got So as a weaker to go huh and her coat looks really good and she's got those love handles are gone She don't look like Uncle Tyus One thing I'm going to throw in here guys with the the dog food in the right dog food If you live in town or in the city and you have a small yard You might not notice it like they live out here in the country But when you feed him that cheap stuff and I'm not putting any other brand down But if you in the cheap stuff though, they go the bathroom probably two to three times more than I do with this good stuff Part of that is is like the difference between me and you eating the Taco Bell Versus a steak in a baked potato The nutric the nutrition is not there. I'm not saying you can you was the only good brand the reason I like it is Labs are known to get arthritis when they get older So if you got that Glute co-samina and can joint in it, which is good for joints you can Help eliminate that and to be honest with you on my podcast We have a podcast called the MVM show we talked about this with dog trainers and stuff and one of the things they talked about was My friend had a testimony on there He had it like a eight or ten year old dog lab that could hardly walk because of arthritis I was telling about you canuba and he said I'm gonna try that out It wasn't even a month later. He had been feeding this old dog old lab that couldn't walk couldn't go up the stairs fed him this food and For about a month and he sent me a video of that dog same dog Running up the stairs running through the house like there was nothing even wrong with it So that was just proof enough to me that what I'm doing is right. So hole in all Nathaniel. How do you how are you feeling about? I think you're doing pretty good. I'm having a blast doing it. Yeah, so next after this is I know they've ordered the E-caller and We I just bought Rocky another one because he's had his for four years and it was the other one bro I end up getting broke because I don't got got smashed But I ordered I originally had a sport dog 825. So I ordered a sport dog 425 X and that's what they got the same one. So they have it in black orange and camo So that is going to be the next video. We're gonna go over the E-caller training Some people don't like it. Some people don't agree with it But I believe in it a hundred percent and we'll go over that in that video about why You know a lot of most trainers use the colors. Thanks for watching guys and we'll see you on the next one