Mr. District Attorney! Well, that's great. The DA ain't gonna have a leg to stand on.  Orlando, I ask you to come over here to my house today to clear up some of the details of the case I'm preparing for the Ohio kids' defense. There are certain angles I want to talk over with you.  I hired you to get my torpedo to the Ohio kid out of that murder rep that the DA has on him. You're the best criminal lawyer in the country. Do it your way. But you've got some good ideas too, Orlando. Hey, think so. A man who can build up the biggest restaurant racket in the country and line up all the food wholesalers and waiters in their city must have brains. Well, I got kind of a flair for organization. That does restaurant owners eatin' right out of my hand. You ain't cleaned up plenty of dough from the restaurant, Rackett. I just said you were a smart man, Orlando. You'd better stay that way. What do you get, Matt? You and I have an agreement, Orlando, and the smart thing for you to do is to live up to it. Well, ain't I? You're going to get that check for 100 grand just as soon as you win the murder case and the Ohio kid goes free. You agreed that check for $100,000 is mine win or lose. All right. But it's a nesco. Just to be sure you don't grab the dough and take a powder on me. You see, I don't like to get double crossed. Duke, as far as I'm concerned, the money is the least important part of our deal. Though I want it, of course, but the thing I'm most interested in is getting the nomination for the office of district attorney at the next election. Yeah, I'll get it. You beat the DA at the kid's murder trial and my political friends will fix that nomination for you. Okay, Duke. But just remember, I won't stand for a double cross either. Try anything phony and you'll wind up in the electric chair. I know how to put you there. I wouldn't double cross you, Lester. You're my lawyer. Lucky Lynch was your right-hand man and now he's in the hospital with a bullet in his stomach because you double crossed him. That's different. Lucky knows too much. Maybe I know too much, too. The same thing will happen to me. Lester, sometimes you get the scruest ideas. I need your help to beat the DA. I ain't going to double cross you. You'd better not. Okay, okay. Well, I got a blow, Lester. So long, Orlando. Oh, look, there's something I forgot to tell you. That check for a hundred grand. What about it? I borrowed that dough from the crime syndicate in Pittsfield. I know. I saw PJ Pierpont's signature on it. He's head of the syndicate. You know him? Not very well. I haven't seen him for quite some time, but we've had dealings in the past. Yeah? Well, look, don't say anything to him about that check if you see it. You see, he don't want anybody to know his syndicate has given me financial backing. Why not? Well, PJ's got his reasons. He wants to keep this deal under cover and I gotta do what he says. You're sure the check's all right? It's certified, ain't it? I mean, you're sure the syndicate really loaned you that money? Sure you're not trying something shady? Say, I wouldn't try to pull any funny stuff on those boys. Okay, dude. Okay. You have my word. I won't say anything about it. Thanks. I wouldn't want anything to get back to PJ. That would be bad. Yeah, that, that'd be very bad. Not too much off the top, Emil. My hair's thin enough up there as it is. Well, Mr. Vester, I'm glad you could come up here to see me. Well, I'm glad to see you, Mr. Pierpont.  Well, I have to do this. A banker can call his time his own. That's why I said I'd see you here, Mr. Vester. I knew when you called my office that this was the only opportunity I'd have to see you. My day is completely filled.  Oh, yes, indeed. What did you want to see me about, Mr. Vester? About one of your, uh, interests, shall we say, Mr. Pierpont? I wasn't aware we had any dealings at present, Mr. Vester. Indirectly, Mr. Pierpont. Could, uh... Could we discuss it in private? Certainly. Uh, that's all for now, Emil. I'll call you when we're through. Well, Mr. Vester? Mr. Pierpont, I've been retained by Duke Orlando as his lawyer to defend his torpedo the Ohio Kid against a charge of murder. Yes, I... I heard so. My fee is guaranteed by a hundred thousand dollar check drawn against your syndicate. Our check for a hundred thousand? Oh, I realize I wasn't supposed to know about that check, Mr. Pierpont, but you can rely on my discretion. You actually saw a check for one hundred thousand dollars signed by you and certified. I see. There's nothing wrong with it, is there, Mr. Pierpont? Did you ever consider, Mr. Vester, that it, uh... might be a forgery? You mean you didn't give Orlando the money? Well, that's entirely possible. I get you, Mr. Pierpont. You don't want to talk about it. You're assuming that we are financing Mr. Orlando? I'm not assuming anything. I know you're backing him, but you needn't worry. I won't talk about private investments, shall we say? Call it what you will. I'd advise you not to say anything about this matter to anyone. Okay, have it your own way, Mr. Pierpont. I don't know Duke Orlando. I never saw the check, and I don't know anything about you or your crime syndicate.  He's very careless of Mr. Orlando to show you that check. Oh, he isn't entirely to blame. You see, I demanded cash in advance for my services as attorney. He had no alternative but to show me this syndicate's check. I'm glad you told me about this, Mr. Lester. I know you won't carry it any further. You can depend on me, Mr. Pierpont. Nothing will get out. I just wanted to know where I stand. Mr. Lester, you'll have to excuse me now. As soon as Emil finishes my hair, I've got to call a special meeting at the board. A certain matter needs immediate attention. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Is everyone here? Where's Reeves? He had to fly out to the coast, PJ. He's in trouble with the west coast company. We'll hold this meeting with Alam. Something very important has come up. What is it, PJ? Gentlemen, I believe you were all present a few days ago when Mr. Duke Orlando asked this syndicate for a loan of $100,000. Yes. And I believe it was the unanimous decision of this board not to approve the loan. Am I correct? What's all this leading to, PJ? This. You may be interested to know, gentlemen, that Mr. Duke Orlando has a certified check drawn on our syndicate in the amount of $100,000. That's impossible, PJ. We refused the loan. Nevertheless, such a check is in existence. I learned of it today from Mr. Lester, Orlando's attorney. Gentlemen, Duke Orlando has deliberately forged a $100,000 check on our corporation. We've got to get that check stopped. That's right, but gentlemen, there's a principle involved here that I must bring to your attention. Duke Orlando is misrepresenting to certain parties that he has our financial backing. We know Orlando is a poor credit risk and so do others. And when he claims he has our financial support, he's putting our syndicate in a very bad light. You're right, PJ. Our clients will get the impression we're careless in our investment. Exactly. Our reputation in banking circles is sound. Should it become known that we advanced money to poor credit risks such as Duke Orlando, our whole financial standing would be undermined. We can't afford that. Decidedly not, gentlemen. This is a matter for our collection department. And I suggest we send several of our credit men to dispose of the matter at once. Hey, buddy, can you spare a time?  Give me a time for a cup of coffee, will you, Duke? Hey, will you? Why don't you know my name? Take a good look, Duke. Don't you recognize me? Harry de Bum. Yeah. I got something for you, Duke.  I don't need any tips. Tell him someplace else. Things are kind of slow, Duke. I don't get much information to pass around to the boys these days, but I got something to do you some good. Something that'll save you a lot of trouble. Let's have it. Get in the doorway, will you? I can't talk to you on the street. All right, come on. Duke, I got a hot tip for you. Yeah, what? The money talks first, Duke. This tip's worth a hundred bucks. Yeah, you're nuts. All right, all right. It ain't my funeral. I don't want all your tips worth a dime to me. Oh, I got a reputation, Duke. My tips is on a level. And when I say something's worth a hundred bucks, it's worth a hundred bucks. I'll give you a fifty. Guess you don't hear good. I'll give you a hundred, Duke. Okay, fifty now and fifty after you tell me. So long. I don't do business with chisels. Wait. I'll buy Harry. Yeah. Here's a seno. Thanks, Duke. Well, what do you know? I hear some of the boys from this crime syndicator in town looking for you. How'd you know that? I heard a couple of fellas talking about a check you forged on the syndicate. Two of that crowded men are out to take care of you. How'd they find out? I don't know who they sent, but they got Trigger Smith and Smiley Jackson and a payroll. All them credit men are killers, Duke. When they go after a guy they... they don't miss. I thought you'd like to know. Hello. Hello. District attorney speaking. Hello, D.A., this is Duke Orlando. Duke Orlando? Yeah, I understand you're looking for me, D.A. Not particularly, Orlando. Well, I'm coming right down to see you. I don't want to see you now. Now, listen, D.A. Well, I want you, Orlando. I'll come and get you. Good night. Well, Arrington, that's one I can't figure out. Duke Orlando wants to give himself up. The pressure must be getting too tough for him, D.A. Maybe he wants to make a good impression when we get him in court. He can say we didn't have to go out looking for him. He sounded pretty nervous on that form. Something's got him scared. I don't know just what, but after I get through with these reports, I'm going over to the hospital and have a talk with Lucky Lynch. He ought to know what's up. Yes, if he's well enough to talk. It's not been coming along so well the last day or so. Now, you get out of here, Arrington. I've got about two hours' work on these reports before I can get over to the hospital. Well, Mr. District Attorney, good afternoon, Doctor. I am on my way in to see your patient, Lucky Lynch. How is he? I want to speak to you about him. He's been in a coma most of the day. I didn't know he was that bad, Doctor. The drains we have on his wound show that infection is setting in. It's serious, isn't it? Bullet lodged in the stomach wall, and when infection develops that close to a vital organ, we've got a fight on our hands. Then it may be fatal? It's a 50-50 chance, Mr. District Attorney. Can I see him now? Yes, he's conscious, but I wouldn't ask him to talk very much. He's extremely weak. A strain of talking would react un-paperably. All right, Doctor. Thank you. Hello, Lucky. Now, don't say anything. Let me do all the talking. The doctor says you shouldn't exert yourself. Now, I'm going to ask you some questions. Just answer yes or no if you can. Lucky, I've been in my office for the past two hours, and in that time, Duke Orlando has telephoned three times. He says he wants to give himself up. Each time he called, he sounded more nervous and jittery than the time before. Can you think of anything that would make him so panicky he'd run to me for help? Has he any underworld enemies who might be out to get him? Can you answer that, Lucky? Has he any enemies? Lucky. Lucky. Oh, nurse. Come here right away. His patient is unconscious. He may be... Hello, D.A. Hello, Harrington. Did Duke Orlando call again when I was at the hospital? No, D.A. Did you find out anything from Lucky Lynch? No. Lucky's very low. He passed out when I was there. You mean he's dead? No, but very close to it. He lost consciousness just when I started talking to him. He didn't even answer me. I left word at the hospital to call me when he comes to. That's tough, D.A. He's your key witness against Duke Orlando. If Lucky dies, your case dies with him, and Duke will be free to continue his racket. Well, Lucky has a 50-50 chance, Harrington, and so have I. Must be the hospital now. District attorney speaking. Listen, D.A. What's the matter, Orlando? It's important, I tell you. You got it? I'm not falling for this trick, sir, Orlando. It's not a trick, I swear. Hello? Hello? Hello? Harrington, something's happened with the Duke. I've got to get out of his house fast. Mr. District Attorney, dramatized by Phillips H. Lord, will be with you again tomorrow. All names of characters used in this program are for obvious reasons fictitious. 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It's Harry Haas here, and today I'm going to be doing a video on setting stops and just recapping my 6K loss earlier this week. As always, I'm not a licensed financial advisor. This isn't financial advice even if it seems like financial advice. But yeah, I thought that I'd do a video on just some general questions I get about setting stops and thought I'd go over my loss kind of recap. So without further ado, let's get into it. So I guess there's different times when you should cut. As a long trader, you want to always be cutting when your stop is breached, especially if there's dump risk. You also, if you're long and you see sort of a stuff move immediately as you enter the trade or you notice that there's a stuff move maybe 10 cents higher than from what you originally planned, that's a good time to maybe take some off or take half off because those stuff moves can have some nasty pullbacks. So you always want to kind of be aware of that stuff as well. And another thing is that you also want to cut. If something that you plan for didn't happen. So if I'm trying to, let's say for instance, buy a breakout and I buy the breakout and the stock just doesn't keep going higher and it kind of stalls a little bit and we're not getting much volume, that'd be a good time to cut or you're trying to buy a view app reclaim and the same sort of thing happens. You kind of get a little bit of a stuff move. It doesn't go higher for whatever reason. That's a time where you should cut or maybe you bought a support and you didn't get a bounce and the stock kept going lower. That sort of time is another time where you would want to look to take some off or to cut or just stop out totally. So there's different types of entries to help reduce your risk. And this does kind of tie along with stops because I've seen a lot of trades where I've seen people go into a trade and they've kind of stopped out right on the next support line down and said, I stopped out at the very bottom, Harry, and then the stock kept going without me. I kind of got some FOMO. I started to chase and then I ended up taking another loss from the original kind of chase. So it's very crucial that you make sure your stop is not on a support line. Like you want to stop out when the trade just isn't working or your idea kind of stops working. And you can also scale in at two supports or maybe take a third of your size at the first support line and save some for lower. And that's where the kind of art form kind of comes in. And another thing that can kind of help you reduce your risk is for sure entering at a support line, not just a random place. And even in the times where I will chase, I want to make sure that it's kind of like an educated chase where I know that I have a high probability of the chase to work out. And when I'm talking with Austin sometimes during the day and we'll have some commentary in main chat, we'll say to each other, we don't want to be chasing too early, but we don't want to be chasing too late. And that's where some of the experience comes in. We want to be chasing if we are chasing at a time where we know that every single short seller is forced to cover. And I mean, that's about it. But I don't really recommend chasing for a newer trader. I'd always recommend buying at a support line or a resistance that has now became support. I would also never recommend chasing strength out of FOMO. And another thing that you can do to kind of reduce your risk is you can enter on a higher low as well. Instead of just trying to get the very bottom or instead of trying to catch a falling knife. Like I know in a lot of the zombies, you have a lot of time where you can actually enter on that higher low and continue with that uptrend as opposed to trying to catch the very bottom of a zombie move and have it go lower and then you're a little bit more emotional. But if you can kind of have that higher low involved and you can get in on something like that on a new support line, that's almost like an added confirmation and you're probably going to be a little bit more comfortable in that type of trade. Basically on this trade, I mean, also the psychology coming in as well is I'm just, you know, just kind of saying to myself, like the scenario, I guess in pre-market was that I had taken probably around 12 pre-market trades in this day. I was green on all of them. So I've taken 12 trades already. It's a Monday. This Twitter status has been posted. And I'm like, man, like I'm pretty good. Like I'm never going to go red again in my life. I'm never going to have a big loss. I'm never going to, you know, and when that type of emotion starts to come in is when it can really get a little bit alarming. So obviously, you know, bought some at six, probably oversized a little bit, definitely oversized for pre-market. So I bought some at six, kind of looking for a pop back to seven, seven fifty, we didn't get it. And then just obviously just got crushed. Just I refused to sell. I was saying to myself, OK, this has to bounce back to six, this has to bounce back to six, fifty. This has to bounce back to seven, you know. And no, just couldn't couldn't get back there, couldn't get back there. And then just kind of got slaughtered. And I remember in this trade, like I was like I was sitting there watching basically the house burned down. I was just losing money on it. And I was just like, you know what? Like I didn't really even have really an emotion on it. I was like, you know, I just I basically just like sat there the whole time and was like, OK, well, it has to bounce back. It has to bounce back.  They must be trapping short sellers on this one. They must be doing. And in the meantime, there's other stocks scapping up that I'm saying to myself, OK, on this particular day, I would rather be trading these stocks for sure than this one because this one's just weak. This one's, you know, terrible. No bounce. Just should have cut it. But, you know, that's just exactly what happened. It was just really a trade that I just refused to sell. And it was a costly mistake for sure. But honestly, in my own mentality, like the build up to this is just kind of extremely telling because I'm basically saying to myself in this moment, like, like why why do I even, you know, care? Like, you know, who cares? Like, you know, I really was just watching it happen and just watching kind of, as I said, the house burned down and I just refuse to sell.  I just refuse to. I just I could not accept in this moment that I was wrong. And I mean, that's obviously a costly mistake going over it now. Like and I'm not usually a trader like that as well. Like if you look at my previous losses, my previous charts, which I was going over like some of my previous losses, I mean, and just saying like this is never happened. I've never had such a costly mistake where I've said to myself, you know, it has to bounce. It has to do this. It has to come on. It's got to pop. It's got to. And it just, you know, it just didn't. And I finally cut it after the open and said to myself, you know what, like this was dumb. And obviously this one, this is not a normal trade that I would take. This is what we call a revenge trade, folks. Another one where it's just emotional, like I was saying to myself, maybe we can get a pop back to seven. Like obviously that's just unrealistic and not going to happen. But it's just one emotions kind of take over. And I mean, even with this, like I was saying to myself, like I can't be wrong. I can't be wrong.  I've seen these a million times.  There's no way. And unfortunately, yes, this was a very, very, very costly mistake. And am I, am I embarrassed by not cutting it for sure? I, I would think now after trading for, you know, as long, I mean, I'm only 20, but after trading every single day for the past couple of years, you would think that I'd say, OK, I need to cut this loss quick or OK, I need to to do this or, you know, OK, I need to do that. But no, I just I refuse to accept the loss. And yes, it was costly. And yes, it kind of sucked.  But I mean, there's lessons. And the big lesson is just cut quick when you're wrong. And that was something that I really needed. I needed it. Like I needed to cut this one quick. I just could not accept it. And I mean, that's it.  A lot of people are like, oh, Harry, but wouldn't the tape tell you? It's like I'm in a mood or I'm in a mode where I'm saying to myself, no, like the tape, the tape, you know, what regardless of what the tape tells me, regardless, I could have a magical indicator that says this stock is going to tank lower to three dollars. I wouldn't have followed it. I would have said, no, there's no way these stocks always bounce. That's the 99 percent margin of error because that was just where I was. I was like, you know what? No, no, no, can't happen. Can't happen. And we're also in a Monday as well. Mondays are also they're not necessarily my worst performing. I don't really have a particular day that's my worst performing. Like I'm usually pretty good on Mondays. And as I, you know, as I said, like in this morning, I made 12 premarket trades and I was I was winning on all of them. And that is the kind of that's the devil where you have made so many wins and you've you've won so many times that you say to yourself, OK, I can't be wrong. I can't be wrong. I mean, I've been right every single time today. I can't be wrong. And that's where you get into trouble. That's where you get into danger. And the minute you are small, small, small wrong, you need to cut it. And so, yeah, definitely an important lesson, definitely a humbling lesson. But, you know, I mean, that's it. That that's it. I don't I don't want to spend too much time on it anymore. You know, I I I was saying to myself, like, should I make a video on it? And I was like, yeah, sure. Like, you know what? I really don't I'm honestly not as embarrassed by something like this as people would think, because, you know, I know that this happens to everyone. It shouldn't have happened to me. But I hope some people can learn from this one. So anyway, I hope you enjoyed it. And I'll see you guys next week for a video. Thank you so much for watching our video. If you want to see more of our videos, please subscribe to our YouTube channel by clicking the button here. 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He's- he's definitely done. Ha ha ha! Jesus, Johnny! Stop! He's already dead! How's it going, everybody? DatoDoy here, and I am very excited to finally be bringing Mortal Kombat 11 to the channel. It has been a long time coming, and I've been very excited for this game. So I figured why not go ahead and jump into some ranked sets on day one, and see what we could get done with Johnny Cage. Okay, now this is a matchup I can get behind. Liu Kang versus Johnny Cage. I'ma start it off with a- the random kick. I meant to do the, uh, green kick. Aw, I was supposed to be back too. Mess that up. Alright, fireball. Just make him respect it. Alright, he definitely walked up on me. There we go. Nice little bread and butt. And of course, Johnny wanted to go back in the box, understandable. I do love that mime counter, though. Damn, I'm- I'm just looking for a grab, honestly. I should- Stop doing that. Oh, teleport with a low! What the- Alright, you're done, bro. Actually, a couple of fireballs were in the deal. Just the deal. Jeez. That was wrong. He started going in at the last second there. Understandable. Kick me in the face. Oh, a good player would've ran underneath him there. Again, drop my opportunity, get him in the corner. Oh, my face! No, not again. Can't handle it twice, dude. Alright, that is enough. Alright, I'm totally fine with the fireball. That was a- oh no. Wait, sorry, sir.  I was totally fine trading there. The health advantage was just too real. The meter in this game comes back super quick. I thought, when I was first in trading, but I was like, oh man, to do this Johnny thing, you need meter. But turns out that's almost never an issue. And if you don't have me- well, you just left. Oh, okay. As luck would have it, we actually found another Lu Kang. So, uh, all's well, it ends well, I guess. Didn't mean to EX that, but we'll get over it. No! Oh, that would have been sick. You're not gonna come in? Alright, I'll go to him. Understandable. And this dude has some health left on him. I don't know why. I think- I guess when I think fatal blow comes in, I'm like, oh, there must be a couple of hits away from death. And they are if you do a real combo, but stray hits aren't gonna get you anywhere. I'm looking for that jump. Oh, God, that was gruesome. Yikes. I'm trying to work you to- hit me! Put myself in a box. I'll let you take your swings. No! Nice. Little bit of a sweep. Oh, there you go. Knock you down. I'm gonna be saving fatalities until, like, the end of sets. Hopefully we can get a full one one of these days. Yeah, we just gotta progress as normal. Fatalities are for when you really want a sauce. Alright, now he gets an option to select what he wants to do. Hopefully he clicks next match. And I'm Johnny with the green glow. Looking real elegant.  One second left out of 30. Oh, okay. It rematched. I don't know if he's still here or not, but it would be a real shame if it automatically made you rematch. Is that the case? Do we wait for him? Or is he here? Oh, no, he's here. Not the grab. From that range?  Mind if I come in here and, uh, wow, I'm just not doing the EX there at all. Second hit hit him. Oh my goodness. Why not just EX everything? Why not go ahead and do it? And day one stuff is ridiculous. They dropped the last hit of that necessary part. Oh, he's not playing anymore. Oh, no, there he goes. There he goes. Is he playing still? No, he's definitely done. Jesus, Johnny, stop. He's already dead. Alright, honestly, I didn't learn the fatalities. I lied. Okay, it was all an act. I don't know how to do them. It doesn't matter. Are we getting our rematch? I think not. Okay, hopefully this will be the last set of the video. The last guy started playing copyrighted music as an attempt to, uh, stop the video. Wow, look at that range. Okay, I understand him. Oh man, Jade's just doing whatever she wants. Wow. Hey, okay, I understand.  I'm in a box. Can't you see that? Oh, no. Not the grab. Please don't kill. Please don't kill. Please don't kill. I know I got some coming back to do. That trip moves very confusing. Alright, let's try to get in. It might be stressful. Lock it. Oh, again. I'm right there. I'm right there. No, let me in. Let me in. Let me in. Dude, this is tough.  Okay, finally, we got something going for us. It might be a little too late. Never say never after all. Give him the trophy. Geez, these can go on for a while. Wow, you've got Green Kick too. Okay, I really did try it though. I really did try it. You want to give mercy.  Understandable. Understandable. Thank you for the staff. I do appreciate it. Hopefully the rematch goes a little better. Here we go. Lockdown City. Ooh, let me see it. Oh, no. Can I go ahead and... No, the lag. Invincible. Somebody's going to have to explain this to me. No, God. God, dude, this is so much damage. Ah, that second one's real tricky. Like I said, there's a lot of damage involved here. And the bar building does not help. Let's go. Let me see you in that corner. Come on, no. A lot of people worked really hard to get you here. There we go. Back in the corner. Come on, you did not just open up a beehive. Only invincible to projectiles. What's fun is fair. I'm just approaching really badly.  Oh, we armored through the projectiles. Something tells me that shouldn't be the first thing I wanted to do. Okay, we're in... Grab him! No! No, the grab didn't come out. Wow. That was unfortunate. Jesus. You can go ahead and give me mercy again.  You could just give me mercy. Understandable. Come on, same one.  At least hit me with the second fatality. If I don't get my act together right now, this is the last rematch. One win and Jade is out. Jade's matchup is hard.  I'm going to have to get better at that. All right, we're in. No. Why do we all got green kick? All right, well... Nobody puts Johnny in the corner, but Johnny, I suppose. Damnates, I wanted to grab too. Uh... Ah, fatal blow. I mean, not fatal blow.  Okay, come on. Let's get it together, boys. Big spider in the back, we're ignoring it. Ah, then why does she have that? I get too antsy there. No, come on. The get up attack. No, I got to start taking grabs, dude. I finally had him. All right, don't panic, don't panic.  And the environment, and the low. No, Jade is so tough to fight. Give me mercy. I dare you. Oh, I dare you. I double dog dare you. Triple dog. I'll make it a triple dog. You would. You would do this. Oh, no, dude. Oh, we have to get better. Jade is rough. I probably have something that can just counter all that too, and I just don't know it. Yikes. All right, well, hopefully you guys enjoyed this. If you did, make sure to give me your tech and tips on the Jade matchup down below, as well as letting me know if you have a favorite moment. 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nds under this program as well as encouraging collaborative work among the c uds um and we work to establish a formula we tried several different versions of a of a formula to figure out how to allocate these funds based on the number of towns number of unserved addresses we did different variables for including or not including our adopt addresses it's the results came out very similar because of the amount that we're looking at but should be it's get in there i'll get to that and we'll talk about this when we go into the numbers so we talk about our 60 approximately 60 000 locations without access to broadband we talk about locations with a plan so these are look locations that were either funded via the 2020 connectivity initiative we only counted wired locations of art off locations that are wired we did not include space x we will discuss later on about whether those should be how those should be counted because they're not funded at 100 so that's but there's not part of the definition of universal service in the legislation either so they're not to be funded space x or more space x ones are not space x ones are counted towards the numbers for each district so i mean so what let me back up to to determine i'm going to actually i'm going to scroll down here just so people want to say i'm going to give you a pause and say to everybody that under the discussion of pre-construction definition the pre-construction the pre-construction grant program is defined in 8085 section 8085 and there's a whole list of things including pool data surveys engineering design and make ready work associated with construction of broadband legal administrative consultant other costs and there's an obligation of the board to make sure the awards are scalable 8085 i commend it to you as i said we have we'll have to discuss how we want to count art off addresses what i did in terms of determining the unnumber of the percentage of unserved premises out of the total number of premises for all the cuts so this isn't statewide just to be clear because the the pre-construction program is only open to communication union districts so i took the base 2019 data we subtracted the art off locations that were funded the wired art off locations that are funded at 100 by 100 by 100 there's a big asterisk there that many of those were only funded at 20 30 40 percent that we will discuss when we talk about the data i we deducted the connectivity initiative projects that were funded once again only the wired ones we also deducted there was two supplemental grants to the cuts to build out and conquered and then more town roxbury and northfield those addresses were subtracted there was also some charter addresses that didn't make it into the 2019 data that were that were subtracted so we'll go we'll walk i'll walk you through that process again in the next section but then we took the percentage and that's the percentage broken down by c ud on the total after you take out all those other things yes that's what's left of unserved and underserved yes so that won't if i added that up that's not that's a hundred percent of the remainder but not a hundred percent of un and underserved it's a hundred percent of the remaining locations in c ud's yeah so and as you heard from jeremy waterbury is likely to be accepted today we have to figure out when we do a cutoff um there's various moving target challenges with this so that's why i say estimated cap that cap i figured out based on the 30 million dollars um i tried a variety of different things the amounts were very very similar like within a percentage of breaking it down i don't understand column estimated amount so the estimated amount we took up we have 30 million dollars is applied to the program uh the percentage of that is what that number is i got so it might be a tiny little bit off since the some of the calculations that we did uh last night were were slightly were slightly different um but that's it's also rounded so it's a straight math on the percent of un and underserved straight math and and some rounding right so for example any k could make an argument that if you're not going to you're not going to incorporate line miles into this it's uh without any sort of weighting like it's it's not equitable right i'm just yes projecting here oh yeah no it's certainly it's going to be a challenge and something that's on back and forth with the c ud's or whether there should be various whether art off locations should be counted but discounted whether we should have a multi plier for density and in the back and forth between all the c ud's what we found is that the numbers are really darn close and there's so many different variables like when you're counting if you're counting road miles well what class roads are you counting what are you doing about cable there it's a it's a makes an incredibly complex calculation there's already a lot of complexity in here with art off locations since uh the feds didn't use e911 addresses so they had to be matched so there's a lot of it's we have to accept that there is a margin of error with this uh the 2019 the 2020 data that the department will come out with won't be out till probably october or later in the year so for we want to be more specific when we're talking about construction when it comes to pre-construction we didn't think that some of those other possible variables were as as important to consider uh so it's trying to we we stuff to keep it simple in the end and it's still not very simple if you have you got feedback from the c ud's on this oh we've gone back and forth on a lot of it this is the first time they're seeing this this chart but there has been discussion and it's there's we've worked with with david heli at cb5 or on this and they're trying to figure out everybody wants to come up with a perfect model and i think there's a general acceptance that we don't want to make uh finding the perfect model be the enemy of getting done because we could talk about this for the next six months and not do anything uh i there's a note included in here about potential like why we would adjust this towns may join our switch c ud's we already have towns that are shared half and half uh for the sake of simplicity i just divided the numbers half and half for the locations we could do it point by point but at this point it seemed like for pre-construction that's one thing there might be other time sensitive opportunities groups may work together we may come up with a different one a different formula better data might be available like there are a lot of things that could change this and these are areas for the board to make decisions um you may have said that are there address unserved or underserved if the dress is outside of this chart there are in towns not served by by c ud's and i'm sorry pre-construction fund funding is only open to towns served by c ud's and i think you said this but i'm just not clear as can you scale that like how big is that on a percentage or something it was just i will we'll get to when we look at the i have the breakdowns for statewide later later on when we talk about the data numbers so why don't we pause on that okay thank you rather than jumping around quick just note on the note section there's no number two there appears to be duplication in one well there you go towns may join or switch c ud's towns may also switch c ud's so okay no thank you for that and it's that i get a decision point is like do we do we update the numbers every town every time a town joins a c ud or do we set a cut off there's also things that could change this is we know the one c ud is going for an application through n t i a for a broadband construction grant community broadband construction grant if they get that and they're entirely served well this is going to shift the formula since those are addresses we no longer need to worry about there's also challenges since a lot has been a lot is a put the put that in quotes um addresses have been served not just through state programs between the 2019 data and what we have right now like we heard from chris that uc fiber has built out quite a bit uh we there's been other projects around the state so there's there's a matter of there's some uncertainty in this and uh that's why we did the percentage and what uh what like feedback on it's not it's not in here yet is rather than saying that this is this is a cap uh i don't want to see ud requesting their entire cap so maybe setting a limit on what could be requested there's going to be check points along the way and distributing those funds but to allow for some of that flexibility as we get more information but the source is a cap will be submitting proposals for specific items the cap is just to give them an idea of what they have to work with in this what's available right now to help them in their negotiations with partners all those numbers i can't do it my head to those all out of the 30 million they actually that's the one actually thank you for for bringing that out one other thing i did with this in order to keep with this equity thing is i subtracted the grant amounts that we funded via h3 15 so the percentage is actually out of a 31.6 million thank you for for catching up just to make sure if there's some to the nature of some of the requests like you couldn't if it's a two two hundred thousand dollar design project you can't really break that up so it's proved a little challenging so this was to make it sense attractive did you mean you added in started with 30 i started with 31.6 million and i subtracted the awards that each cud got in a natural to left here yes okay so uh patty when we're talking about baseline that's that middle column that we want right i mean is that well that's part of it among cud is that the baseline um that the one thing that i would question is that we're not doing this based on utility plant road miles and i'm thinking of um you know the overwhelming scope of the anyk broadband project for example there are density issues here that are going to be significant and the definition for reconstruction includes make ready so i do wonder about whether that has to be factored in i like i'd like to get cd feedback on that before we render judgment i think it's a really good point any case an outlier maybe in our definition i think make ready surveying you know a little more expensive if make ready actual doing the work on the poles is in there that's a different deal because that's that's box so that definition is going to mean a lot yeah to this yeah the other thing is i want to know like so gmp and vc have put out make ready tariffs to make this affordable to the unserved right it's not going to be all these locations but it's going to be the hardest to reach in the most unserved and if they need to be taking they need to be showing us in those applications in the applications what they've learned and what what value they can bring through those channels to supplement this does that make sense that does make sense and we'll have a map of some of those locations that i'll show you in the next section so if i can just take that a step further maybe a layer of transparency deeper because it sounded to me like somewhat or one of these one of the proposals involved maybe a partnership and to make ready costs might be darn near zero so that level of transparency of what the du is offering and maybe an incumbent might be partnering or who knows so these are all things we want to know in the grand elections yes and we'll get into the whole page that we want to that we'll have to consider as we review them and we're going to want them to tell us about so and in your matrix it'll help us wait those favorably so so let me let me get so like what we're asking for in the proposal but let me just say first words we want to still do the the 50 up front and then as expenses and reimbursement the feds certainly prefer it being all reimbursable but we recognize that they can't with it is here so that's what we said that's what we've been doing for for the for the 315 pre-construction funds uh so this is the was the process so we want to keep the door open this is another way of encouraging cds not to try to estimate all of their costs for the next year and a half and just apply for what they would like to apply for uh so it'd be rolling after whatever the initial deadline uh has that the executive director executive director and staff or however we want to work this we'll do the first review of the applications and then the board would go to approve the applications at the next board meeting would be the goal we can put other steps in there if we we want and we as a as an as an entity we should determine like how much time we need so you're not really getting something like before for instance that's what happens once we have a board meeting four days apart um so elements of the proposal some of this is just the basic stuff that we need for the federal grants the narrative is the key uh and this is this is where like many conversations with the cds of we want someone to be able to read this that doesn't know as much of the backstory to be able to objectively evaluate these proposals that's something i have struggled with where it's i have so much communication that i i know the day to day i know what is happening there uh but as it was as it was described to me as we were going through the grant agreements and coming up with the grant agreements this needs to be something that if after a bit it ended up in front of the judge the judge would understand what was supposed to be done uh since to be very clear on that that we want a lot of background information uh and we can i think that we might want to be very specific and maybe even at attachments of like attach your attach your feasibility study attach your business plan exactly like things like that so that you all have all the information that is that is necessary when reviewing these applications so is the is the are we assuming that when a cd makes an application that for the pre-construction grant that the scope of their application will cover pre-construct all the pre-construction activities to reach incorporating all the on and under served locations remaining in their footprint they should explain that okay as they should explain that like i said like in phase one but different cds have it set up in a different ways so that is going to be a challenge there also might be circumstances where okay they signed an agreement with an operator or build design build construction uh for the whole thing and they need to have some certainty yeah we just need to be really clear about because the way i think that in cd's got a quota of those are the number of locations that need to be reached they're the facilitators of making that happen we're making funds available and i want an accounting for how many of those they're going to reach in with this pre-construction work and funding and if there any that are not in there i just want to know why they're not in there and where are they i'm so glad you said that it's almost like uh you know that's a that's the report for this is this is that yeah it's a numbers game yeah exactly there are there are also some factors of like you might not there's reasons for and against doing all of your poll collection now versus breaking in the part one of part two and that's their business yeah i want to know what what would i get for what we're well and and another thing to say about that is we should be allocating pre-construction and later later construction and later construction funding based on what their service obligations are in other words they've got to get those under and unserved addresses addressed so they might not be able to pull down on a grant for the full amount now but they should be we should know what their run rate is we should know what they have left to serve and we should have free construction grants available for that yeah okay we're on the same page okay sorry let me just disable we just can't kind of track the math because it's math that's right and we can't say oh you went five million to do it this much and then six months down the road go oh wait a minute we've spend it yeah my biggest concern overall here because and it's my experience is that you know you can't get this money back and so um it has to be really well thought out not that you aren't thinking it out you are i'm just saying it out loud that's what this does it maps out have you thought about this and it proves to us they're responsible prove to us if they have adequately thought it out right exactly and it's like i want them to think about okay the status the urgency collaboration like i want them to be thinking about all of these necessary things to ensure that we're we're building the best and cheapest not cheapest best most valuable most valuable thank you i actually um i actually don't think that urgency is an appropriate category here because everybody wants service so all of its urgent i think it's it's about what the gating factors are like we need to go to do this by this stage so what are the gating issues that's what i was referring to and um well uh and um it's it's also very tempting to say that everything should be the cheapest but i actually have seen that go quite awry so let's be careful about that no thank you i think the barnard example is do you think to remember so that if the cheapest is serving the wrong word there but the most valuable and effective efficient sustainable energy now all those other other good things yeah urgency based on the maturity of that cd where they are because we're trying to bring some up and that the leaders they're on track we might need to spend a little effort and that was one of the other reasons why i wanted to do to have some kind of formula for a cap to make sure we don't get to a point where all the all the pre-construction money is done and we still haven't managed to lift all those so that was one of the other reasons there one thing in here we were trying to figure out how to address is so with the construction any overbuild the cable has to be i don't know if this incidental was the word i can't remember what the word was used in the the legislation but just asking them to address that question head on even though this isn't construction but it plays into what's eventually going to be a construction proposal uh demonstration of commitment to universal service so there's a lot of different things in there is there anything missing i'm going to spend time with it you got some yeah okay yeah because i'm not even sure about f one question i have is do you feel that all every cd has the administrative capacity to manage this or access to funding to provide the administrative capacity to provide this because that's something i think we have to make sure or are we expecting staff to help we're going to get to this when we talk about reporting and administration this is where it's going to come to a decision point i do believe that all the cds have the capacity between themselves and the consultants in the work we've already funded to meet this criteria in terms of the grant administration criteria that is something that we need to discuss and i think christine said it said great that the last meeting of like what is the value added for these groups and what isn't what can we take a what can we take off their plate and centralizing some of the the grant administration side of things is one model that we're exploring and starting to have some additional conversations with and that we've received very very well it's been very well received by the cuds who would love to be able to focus on their network rather than some of the other stuff that comes with the federal reporting it would also build in more accountability if we're dealing with one entity that is overseeing the funds in some ways at the other level and i think part of this is developing what we'll do as a board we'll develop the key performance indicators to show uh how effective these funds are being used so we can have them reporting the cds are reporting based on some t performance measures that tie into our goals then we can handle the bureaucracy of the plan side and it's like we're having conversation i think this week with uh northern borders the northern borders regional council original commission and they have an arrangement for further grants that don't go to state entities that the local development district the ldc or ldd uh takes on the grant management side of things that we want to learn a lot more about and that might be a model where it's at it's at a little bit of arms length from us but we also know the reporting is all going to come back in one form uh and that there's accountability built in which could make our lives easier when it comes to our federal federal reporting uh build an accountability and take something that is a all the cds will say they never expected to spend this much time on dealing with the this type of stuff uh is there a space where the cuda um can help here like should we be funding something there for that consortium and yeah i think so i think because i'm concerned about we pay the it's like the where's that fox in the henhouse kind of problem right we pay the contractor who's working for them to tell us that they're doing a good job yeah that's the type like the cuda like one of the grants we did fund was for cuda to hire a program administrator or kimber how we framed it but that'd be able to help with those tasks so that they could be the partner we need them to be for this effort um and represent all of the cud so this could be an expansion on that since it's a shared goal of everybody shifting some of your coordinating eliminating some of the overlap and then and this goes into process flow of like who's doing what and how we move all these pieces together like potentially we could this is then we'd have to figure out but if there is that entity that's established a man i'm going to actually pause that thought because it needs to be hot out a lot more yeah i think it's but it's an area that we want to look into because it's on the next page here we wanted to know about their financial controls and grant management plan because this has been something that we've been it's they are volunteer organizations we're asking a lot of them um and we want to be sure that these funds are managed effectively the reporting is done effectively and that these groups are are focusing on their communities not on the numbers game and the reporting game well and just to put a finer point on it if we look at this partnership arrangement that will up you what you know having served on the board of ec fiber it would be natural for valley net to be managing the grant administration by which they are paid too much of a circle right yeah i think and i think we'll have i'm not saying that they do that just for the ethernet i'm just saying that that we have to watch for that yeah that's that's this is where it comes into like what is the right management plan and or if we can take that yeah because there is like there's going to be a single audit required that's something that could be jointly contracted among all the cds to take an author plate for instance there's a lot of different things i'm concerned about the time and making sure that we know when we're meeting again it feels like there's a lot that we need to okay we will break at 12 for public comment not break where we are in terms of this we'll that's a time certain 12 o'clock public comment respect the 12 to 12 15 then maybe after the public comment we talk about next time some next meetings okay this will go out electronically and we'll make sure this is all this is all posted as well so the public can access it now that it's out for discussion uh so really quickly activities and budget for each item uh detailed project timeline tasks milestones this is something we added for the reporting for 315 but we rather them think about it in advance uh included right in there this is one of the other reasons why they could use support a list of all the policy requirements that apply to the listing just the cfi requirements not even all the treasury guidelines want to get volunteers to run away so just send them this free money is not free exactly uh attachments there's a whole list of assurances there's a state fiscal recovery additional assurances that will want to have a lawyer look over that just go into some of the other reporting so other reporting requirements lined up the reporting to match with all the federal reporting that we have to do and hearing from the cd's that originally was the 30th but they might not get their stuff from their bookkeeper until after the 30th uh so this was just uh contract review uh this is something that we may that we instituted for the 315 where we wanted to make sure each contract had a time frame that had a very clear expectations of goals that it was using standards uh it's you can talk more about that if we need to but it was just another place put there for this one i put an interim report and presentation in there we could also potentially ask them to present to us to present to us before we approve uh we might have some challenges with figuring out what's confidential and what's what's not this is where we do need a we need a general counsel we can issue a stop work order if things are going off the rails but through an intense reporting regiment we are going to know which is really important final report contract review so this just stays talking about there following all the wonderful guidelines and checking the stuff is another role that whether it's a grand administrator or administrative assistant or whatever would be a role for them to play especially if it's someone that has a a lot more fine-tune knowledge of this than i do the board and then the review criteria and this is where i'm expecting a lot of different input from all of you and hoping for it so we have strategy in process well how are you going to do this uh like tell us the whole tell us the plan we want to know if that plan aligns with what our understanding is of where the cut is at are they being advised by professionals like yeah these are volunteer groups but these are all groups that have for since their inception have been working with with consultants that are incredibly knowledgeable about this and have boards that are very well informed but we want to make sure we can it's more than checking that box it's making sure that it is in alignment uh is it going to bring things closer to a partnership does it promote key legislative goals in act 71 and there's other things that can be added in here and this is where i would appreciate even more feedback to to build this out because we do need more of a defined process for for evaluating the applications especially with this larger pool that we're dealing with with now some of the stuff is very standard make decisions discussions without further discussion negotiating terms and conditions this is all whatever i'm not going to go through standard attachment c for the sake of everybody but i am going to go to uh one or two that want feedback from the board and that we should have our attorney review these are this is all stuff we can't change state fiscal recovery i'm sorry get to it so additional assurances this is something else that we would like the lawyer to review this was more asking the c u d's to to check the box so to speak no that's not part of what's in here that's not in there okay i'll make sure that the whole thing is posted we didn't want to you saw the pages we didn't want to print uh so it's like part one is a confirmation of financial monitoring controls this might not be necessary if we do come up with a if we come up with a system where it's all going through a different entity but in the meantime it might be you know from grant guidelines saying that okay if you don't have these skills internally right now attach and attach all your policies for procurement to all that fun stuff if some of the cds are working with their regional planning commissions already to handle this where there would be this expertise when it comes to some grant management uh want to make sure that they've looked at the uniform grant guideline this is more of just trying to give a roadmap for the groups to to look at what's involved because there's no such thing as free money and there are a lot of conditions placed on this federal money is the uniform grant guideline a state thing or a federal it's a federal thing it's that that footnote that i showed you that i said would make volunteers run away that's that footnote and this is all in the treasury guidelines of what needs to be followed within those uniform guidelines this is in the story of my summer of trying to understand incredibly complex things uh that our challenge and it's been a challenge to explain them to the cds but it's something that needs to happen and why i i'm all for the idea of taking some of this off of their plate that's not obvious um other conditions uh or secure that are specific to broadband infrastructure funded with state fiscal recovery funds this the arpa funds what's required so it has to do with speeds has to do with overbuilding uh some basic stuff so that so this is something that we want to work on more and then have a legal a legal review of of this uh this would this would normally be in the grant agreement but i wanted it in the rfp so they the groups know what what they're getting into so that's a lot and i know we're at time but should this be pulled from guidehouse until the board has input i i we can still make changes to it guidehouse is trying to approve the entire appropriation to us and a lot of that work has been done done previous as we would just be in communication with them once we have an initial approval if there are large changes that are going to be that are going to be made on this so this this was written to try to check all the boxes of the things that they're looking for and there's a a questionnaire process that has to be has to be filled out and it's yeah you get it look at the finance and management website you'll see everything so i just didn't want them to push back that no no you can't change the clue we've already reviewed it they may suggest some changes that we're going to have to integrate as well this is one of those areas where it's there's oh we i don't want to say we're not the final say but in terms of accessing them they hold the first strings so um and it's up to the it's certainly up to the administration of whether they follow exactly what guidehouse says or provide flexibility it's all about risk like we don't think these programs are that risky based on what we've read with the treasury guidelines and how broadband infrastructure is very explicitly spelled out but we want to we want to be sure these are these are these are taxpayer dollars so and we only have so many of them i hope not so um well let me stop sharing would you like me to stop sharing the screen at this point we can discuss and figure out where we're at i am fine with that does anybody want to keep it up okay we are good so our takeaway our homework is to review this and the next question will be when do we need to turn around comments back and i think that's going to be driven by come to agreement of how soon ahead of the meetings you would like the information and you know we'll make that discussion after the public comment set up timelines so why don't we move to public comment then and then we'll circle back around a deal of meeting schedules and executive session okay and we are presently not doing the item at 10 15 and having to address the baseline data exactly they're going to be some holdovers to the next meeting there's no way we're going to come I think we're going to need to refine our agenda building process a little bit yeah yeah we're going right now it's we're going 100 miles now yep so it's not building the plane exactly we're flying and building at the same time so we do the same three minutes yes person and we'll alternate back and we only have one member of the public here so I guess last time we started with the people online maybe this time well we can start with the one person in the room Steve you're up I will let the online people go first okay I'm going to look for hands online or if you I noted that for quite a while Steve Huffaker's hand was up while we were having the discussion of CDs is Steve still yeah but you're still there okay yeah I'm still here um thank you thank you for remembering me um the there seems to be and what I'm hearing anyhow is the sense that the the BCBB is going to just proceed with the notion of pre-purchasing and warehousing materials and I would just I wrote this in a letter to Christine a week ago and I just want to kind of ask that you be careful about that there's lots of pitfalls there's lots of reasons that it's going to do nothing but insert delay and diminish accountability so uh the I just actually wrote a list I didn't think I was going to be on the line here but how do we handle changes in orders how do we handle overages how do we handle returns advanced provisioning how do you make sure you have enough product when you need it what happens if if uh you're you're coming up short and then you're leaving your CUD without product so in general my recommendation is not to do it and to leave pre-provisioning to the CUD now that's certainly counter to the sentiment that's been expressed by some of the CUDs and certainly we need to kind of or I would encourage you to do your diligence the one thing that had occurred to me that could be of great value would be if it's possible to identify a standard suite of hardware so you've been talking about a standard suite of strand counts for cables but what if we all said we're going to go with a standard 10 gig OLT and then you negotiate with the manufacturer for reduced pricing and then we then as a CUDs can take advantage of that as appropriate so that seems to be less risky than then assuming the responsibility of being a distributor which is surprisingly complex and riddled with potential challenges even when a distributor is even if you were to outsource the work to a distributor so please be mindful of it that's all I'm asking thank you thank you Steve so going going back to the room Mr. Wettaker okay next I think we have David Jones is the next hand that I see yes thank you Rob doing my best to get my camera going in the discussion of the RFP that was just held I believe I saw a provision that only amounts to be spent in the next six months would be should be included in the amounts that we would apply for what we are hoping to do is sign an agreement for engineering and pre-construction tasks some of which because we have more than one phase will extend beyond six months and in order to sign that contract we need a funding commitment we cannot sign a contract if we don't have a commitment for the funds so I would make the suggestion that although you know the idea of gating the funds or you know awarding them in stages you know for fiscal management that that could be a workable idea there should be a larger total that is part of the grant application and for which we can get approval thank you thank you anybody else on the calls anybody else on the on the call that would like to speak okay I at that point I guess we are back to the the room here you know a little more flexible than the minutes Steve what a good one failure I encourage you as an urgent matter to get your contracted or hired counsel to interpret act 71 for you not just rely on ledge counsel's interpretation I think that there's some real complex areas of accountability that need to be guiding the decisions you're about to make especially with regards to interoperability resilience I believe senator Bray phrase that is in the event of failure of a CUD mergers and acquisitions without losing dial tone so to speak it's important to repeatedly emphasize that the services that you're proposing to fund the building of are going to be voice services and become 911 subject to 911 outage reporting rules so the resilience imperative is way up the scale beyond anything that I'm hearing from any CUD anywhere and when I did a public records request to VC fiber they had no records whatsoever of their resilience plans so this is why I'm arguing that the statewide design and engineering is is crucial because that would give you something to measure the CUD's plans for and actually relieve some of the load from the CUD's and the analogy I use is you've got your awarding 12 different contracts or eight different contracts for puzzle makers and all those puzzles are supposed to fit into a statewide puzzle but there's no template for what the statewide puzzle is so I caution and argue that you really should look at the Huntsville model the st. Louis model talk to the folks who do that kind of work but I also need to revert back and call your attention to the statutory goals of 202C there's no notwithstanding clause in this bill which means that and I've spoken to the auditor of accounts about this your this body is still bound by the statutory policies of 202C and that's where competition competitive choice for subscribers open access for competitive providers and ubiquitous mobile wireless or all statutory goals and those need to be in in effect what you're doing is you're funding the creation of regional telecommunications plan in the absence of a credible or complete state telecom plan and all those plans have to address competition and no one wants to talk about it but it's been a statutory goal for decades and we can't afford to build a bunch of passive networks that it's impossible to allow a competitor on active fiber isn't one of the first questions you should pose to your statewide engineering contractor is does it merit pushing for active fiber where a competitor can serve any particular customer because there's a fiber home run to every building and just by simply moving an internet cable at the essential office so I know I'm going to move another urgent is to workforce training above all else you need to come up with a plan and seed seed funding to Vermont technical college to get these programs started so that you've got some staff to hire or these contractors do next spring consolidated is hired almost all more than all of the used as capacity and a lot of those folks from Florida and Texas and Louisiana are going to go by south for the winter so we're that's going to be a real bottleneck in this when you're talking about baseline I guess since I don't get to comment later the FCC the infrastructure bill that as of a week ago does reference a new data standard it's it's still data supplied by the existing Comcast will have be representing where they're serving 120 is the threshold in any place they claim to be able to offer 120 is going to be ineligible for that 100 million that's coming as the small state minimum next year so we're going to have two different grant source funds with different requirements the ARPA that we have now and the the infrastructure bill also keep in mind that we're that this is the the way you're going about it currently is the most inefficient way because we're not addressing cellular we're not addressing public safety grade telecommunications for radio towers and you would have experience in this with your radio network the regional public safety agencies need to upgrade their radio communications and that requires redundant public safety grade fiber to all every tower and transmitter and that is a key revenue source for these CUDs if they're to be sustainable if we turn our backs on that we're further making the CUDs unsustainable also the cable served addresses is this the protect cable monopoly strategy or I know that the x71 only defined served and unserved as eligible for this funding and for the universal service plans but the statutory goal is fiber speed to every address in the state by 2024 so if we're going to have to go back and piece together another yet another design with no when this body has no responsibility that is the least efficient way to proceed since we're at six minutes the chair will interrupt me when she sees fit thank you well I'll I'll ask for time on your agenda because I can't you know it's not efficient to me or you to try to take my insight since decades of study on this topic into three minutes left okay thank you we also do welcome stopping writing which we had a lot of that's what we're asking people just a lot there's a lot for everybody to process exactly actually may I make a comment to this it would be more likely that we could integrate some of your observations if we receive them and writing so that we can check back and refer not just what our notes say but what you intended that we hear the second thing I would ask you to consider in your public comments Mr. Whitaker is if you could keep them within the scope of act 71 which which cell phone and mobility is not it would help us because it will help us focus on what we need to get done here if you have if you take issue with act 71 in its scope I ask you to address that to the legislature that would help me okay thank you all right so let's move let's move along to meeting schedule followed up by executive session so we have a lot to accomplish um in a short period of time and we're going to have to be pushing to pick basically meet these the rollout of the grants um Rob is out next week yes we can catch up so just to throw this out here it may be a horrible suggestion it seems like there's a lot is there so meeting in person for decisions is there an opportunity for us to meet in between in person meetings just to catch up like not for decision making but just to get briefs I wonder if that has to be a public meeting yeah and in the same time I mean I'm just going to throw out that we're all juggling both work schedules and yeah represent representation on this board so it is going to be difficult to to coordinate meetings I'm just going to put that out yeah you know we have all got as Rob is doing juggling a thousand things at once yeah so but madam chair wouldn't it be true that if um less than a quorum of us so that would be less than three want to meet to talk about issues and ask questions of one another that is acceptable right to help us get informed and be ready to participate because I do think there are times when some of these questions I have a million questions I could ask you Laura about what did you think about the intent of the legislation in this regard and we could get square uh without taking up the entire board's time yeah or you can maybe get educated between two people at a time but we still have to come back around absolutely not everybody's going to have that welcome information that's right I would think myself available for those great great are we thinking we should meet weekly for the next couple of months will we get enough done in between and will we drive the staff insane that's a good question I to put that out there we once we get more staff it'll be a little bit easier to do this and that is a quite the process with the state um so on one hand I encourage us to meet as often as possible but recognizing that it is intense trying to turn around and get your materials in advance that quickly but I'm thinking so I'm thinking right now you've prepared information for us today that we didn't even get to so we already have a stack of stock but we can have a whole another meeting and what we don't have to do anything but we're not staying all day but we can have a whole other meeting just do it dealing with the baseline stuff um and talking just about this rfc doc those two and staffing whole meeting right there but no more further backdrop information I think has to be done that's why I'm willing willing to meet I'm the least of your concerns because I have the most flexible schedule so I'll just say I would be willing to meet to catch up on some of these baseline things for a while I'm hoping that we're not going to be meeting weekly for four or five years but I don't think four or five years but probably a couple of months is my guess so that yeah it may require once a week or at least every other week that's kind of my my headset at this point and the more that we could fit in the better so next week with raw bow we we can use that as a break to catch up because we have plenty to read and review um the week of the 23rd I'm actually um at a conference they have to go to because I'm chairing um some stuff here at this conference I'll be back in the state on Thursday and Friday 26 and 27th so the only thing I would ask if we move to weekly is just to be trying to pick up consistent daytime yeah every every day yeah yeah Thursdays are reasonable for me Tuesdays I have standing meetings Wednesdays tend not to be great Thursdays I can Thursday mornings would be okay for me I have to be in broad of around at three okay I can do Thursday mornings I can do I can make Thursday mornings work I can do 8 30 to noon okay if possible starting a little bit later because of the daycare challenges I know we have that that would that would be that would be more helpful for me or I could just participate remotely uh it's it's fine either it's fine either way does 8 30 work or is 9 o'clock better 9 o'clock would be better okay and what maybe we'll plan to do is we go from 9 to 1 bring lunch bring something so that we can make it a working lunch right through and we all are self-sufficient another board meeting that starts at 2 on Thursday so I will be exiting properly I'm putting it in for Thursday 9 to 1 for the foreseeable future is that what we're doing so I'm going to check one thing and if we have a meeting location but if we're here I'm going to see if I can book the giga room the much larger room for us uh now but that's the are you sure that we shouldn't meet next week given that we have so much holdover I mean if I need to if I need to call in for a little bit I can but I I think I think we can do without you yeah testing your executive I can't meet Thursday oh I thought that was the the 19th no 19th okay okay so we're gonna start on the 26th 26th well again I'd be glad to meet with individual board members of two at a time you know I'll just keep in touch please so 9 to 1 we said let's find out if uh what giga has to say for at least the first week particularly you want to pick your brain holly from maybe it's you two together to to know you know they counter counter some of you to know to know the possibilities okay I'm good at brainstorming possibilities I'm not sure what well I just wanted you know I get one interpretation from the department in terms of what the legislation says curious to get your opinion as well and you may make a legal opinion too I would not be that well then I think I think there's room in a lot of this and it's probably good for us to make a decision about what we'd like to do what we think we can do what we'd like to do and then kind of socialize it see then push back and if we get pushed back then we you know hey so giga is booked for the 26th it's exactly the time we want to meet it's more I'm gonna have to try to book far in advance I will have a change of schedule from October that Thursday morning will not work this will be good for a while but I can't do it long term once we hit October late October through the end of the year it is not so I'm gonna immediately book for the next Thursday and the next one and just have it as a weekly thing to try to do and I will reach out to wait until I hear from everybody else okay well I mean this that's about the state house rooms state house rooms are available to non-legislative bodies get that one I'm gonna try to get this repeating what about going up to national life national life works just may require a proof of vaccination I think that's fine okay I'll schedule so just just want to put that out there so we don't put this as we will meet forever Thursday morning because we will I will have to make a schedule change because I can't do this so things happening in my future can we ask for that to be just tagged back in September that we revisit this discussion yes I know yeah so for now should I book the book giga through the 28th or do we want and subject to change October 28th subject to change so I will do that and thank you accepted for gonna get about a thousand emails here but we have to figure out for the meeting on the 26th or 27th yeah I'll take care of that okay um do we have a motion to go into executive session for personnel so move all right second okay it is 12 18 we're gonna move into executive session okay so I'm gonna pause the three I'm gonna so we're not gonna see each other next week but the Thursday after that okay I'm gonna figure out how to make sure that well I don't want to figure out if it's unmuted I'll unmute my computer and everybody will get a wake-up call of a really bad sound we are unmuted now officially sorry for that everybody we're resuming our open meeting schedule it is one or two and our last point of business is to wrap up in adjourn I would make a motion to adjourn in a second second okay close all those in favor aye aye okay we're getting adjourned yay I didn't announce our next meeting is oh August 26th very close we did we announced it earlier we did yeah it's just a