Okay, welcome everyone. My name is Rachel Gilg. I'm the Projects Manager here at the Center for Open Educational Resources and Language Learning. That's Coral, located here at the University of Texas at Austin. And I'm Coral Blythe, the Director of Coral. And I want to thank you for joining us for our first session in our Coral Summer Web Seminar series. And today we're going to be talking about digital badges. But before we get into that, we just want to go over some basic information for the session. So many of you have likely used this interface before. This is Adobe Connect. And if not, we want to encourage you to make the session interactive. So go ahead and ask questions. If you have any problems, ask the questions as they arise. On the left, you can ask the questions in the Questions column. So we encourage questions throughout the presentation. We really want this to be conversational and interactive. 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This session and next week's session will go on as planned. However, we had to cancel the third session due to some scheduling issues. That webinar was going to address the use of badges specifically within the foreign language community, but don't worry because we're going to be covering that throughout today's session as well as the next session. We really want to help you put this into the foreign language context. And we also want to invite you to attend a workshop that we have planned for June 27th that you can attend virtually, again via Adobe Connect. The workshop is going to cover the basics of designing and teaching a language course all online. Although it's mainly geared towards higher ed, anyone who is currently teaching an online language course or who plans on teaching one in the future may attend, or even if you're just interested in online learning, you can go ahead and attend. So we have more information about it on the Coral website. Yeah, and this one is the longer. This is actually a three-hour workshop that morning, and we do ask that if you want to attend that you pre-register and you can find that information on our website. All right. Well, please, if you have any questions about the logistics that we just went over, please feel free to ask those questions in the chat. And we'll go ahead and get started with today's presentation. For example, I see Claire's just written in about the June 27th workshop. Will it be archived? Yes, it will. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so let's get started. Okay. So here at Coral, we've been exploring digital badges for a few years now. And actually, last November, some of you may be aware of this, that at the Actful Convention last November, we helped them to pilot their first digital badge, which is the Convention Networker Badge, which we'll talk about that a little bit later. And while we were there at Actful, it seemed there was a lot of interest in the topic. A lot of educators approached us and asked, you know, what is this thing about badges? Are they something that I can use? I just, I've heard of it, but I don't know anything about it. So that's what prompted us to put together this series. And I think we're going to start out by kind of talking about how we came to be interested in badges, and I'm going to turn it over to Carl for that. Yeah. And so I guess what I'd like to say is I noticed already that many of you writing in before we even started were saying, I don't know very much about digital badges. Well, quite frankly, there are very few people who know much about digital badges because it's really a very, we had here, we were hosting, Coral was hosting a symposium on open education. And one of our speakers, Rich Berenick from Rice University, was talking about this new initiative by Mozilla, something called digital badges, and he was very excited about it. So that was actually the first time I had heard anything about it. So it's really pretty brand new, although as Rachel just mentioned, there was quite a buzz at the last actual convention. So in just a matter of a couple of years, people are talking about it. But as director of Coral, I have come to learn a lot more in the past couple of years about professional development of teachers. I've had a lot of contact with teachers in the field and in-service training and so forth. And it surprised me, frankly, a couple of years ago when I was at a conference, a state teachers conference, and at the end of my presentation, teachers came up to me to get my autograph. And of course it really wasn't for my autograph. It was that they needed evidence that they had attended my workshop or my presentation, but they wanted my signature on this piece of paper to take back to some authority at their school district. And I started to think about that this notion of collecting signatures for attendance was really not a very professional way of doing professional development. And yet it's probably the main way that we do it, not just here in Texas but all over the country. So the main idea that I started thinking about is that seat time, and that's essentially what that was an indicator of, that I was sitting in the seat during your talk, really is not an indicator of learning. We all know that as teachers. We do give our students credit for attendance. We give them participation grades or whatever, but that's usually a very small percentage of their overall grade. So I just started thinking, you know, there's got to be a better way, and why are we so enamored of this notion of seat time for professional development? I don't think personally that it has a big impact on any person. And this is a problem not only in foreign languages, but just in general in education. We give lots of different kinds of degrees and diplomas, and oftentimes they're a bit ambiguous, or you're not quite sure what the information means. So let me give you an example. If you get a degree in Spanish, a BA in Spanish, or a BA in French, we assume that you know how to speak Spanish and French. But of course that's not on the credential, the diploma just says you have a BA in those languages. The other thing too is that people who have the same degree from the same institution may have actually taken different courses within that degree. And of course we do have transcripts, but that's not really specified on the degree. So I just started to think, you know, when teachers apply for a job and they put on their resume that they have a degree, it really doesn't tell the employer or the school district what they can do as a teacher. It doesn't tell them what they, the kinds of experiences with the language or their experiences in the classroom. So the notion of specificity is where badges really come in into play. Okay, there's another idea here that's really important and that's the rise of informal learning. So a lot of professional development learning has moved online. And what we're doing right now I think is fairly informal conversation around the notion of digital badges. So more and more people are learning from each other, they're doing it in social networks online. And unfortunately because that's kind of outside the margins of the formal apparatus of education, there wasn't a way for people to show that they were learning all of this content online. So that's again where digital badges comes in. It's a way of credentialing people who were doing all this informal learning online. Okay, so that brings us to badges. And the concept of badges is exactly what you think it is, merit badges. And I really like this picture because it takes us all back. So yes, if that calls to your memory or to your attention, the idea, to your mind, the idea, girl scout badges or boy scout badges, that's exactly right. And so the great thing about a girl scout or a boy scout badge, you can see in this picture they are displaying them and that's a very important concept. We want people to be able to see them and to look at them and know fairly quickly what they represent. So the next slide shows you that badges equals a visual representation of a skill or achievement. So those girl scouts were displaying their representations of skills or achievements. So they got a badge for basket weaving and on their badge it has a picture of a basket. If they did a course, they took a course on water safety, it probably has the icon for the, what is it, that little white cross that they use for lifeguards. And the main point of course is these are icons. And iconic representation means that it should be fairly transparent, fairly easy to recognize. So all of those things are really part of what a badge means and yes, it does go right back to a scouting unit badge. And what's cool is when you take a badge into the digital realm, of course you're going to have much wider visibility than if you were wearing a physical badge. So that's the great affordance of the internet that it opens it up to a wider audience to be able to display your competencies, what things that you have achieved. Yeah, not only can you see, you can distribute it, disseminate it more quickly over the internet to thousands of people, but of course it comes with this magic thing called metadata and we'll talk more about that in just a minute. So badges have been around for a while online, not necessarily in the context of learning or professional development specifically, but they have a history kind of in gaming, little icons that show you leveled up to some particular level in a game. They started to appear in social media sites like Foursquare where you could complete these challenges and then unlock your badges from that and get recognition within the social community. So these types of badges were really just kind of for fun or maybe to promote a website or really just for the enjoyment of the user. And then Mozilla came along and Mozilla, they're the folks that created the Firefox browser and in partnership with the MacArthur Foundation, they started looking at how can we use badges to recognize learning specifically and what do we need in terms of an infrastructure that would let this happen in a way that could be widely distributed across different platforms and different organizations online. So what they call open badges are the specific type of digital batch that we're going to be talking about, although they're not the only kind of batch. You'll see lots of different types of badges out there. So another question that's come up is who's using badges? Are they really just for Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts? And they're really taking off, they're foundations that are using them and they're all kinds of organizations and museums and now universities. And we put together this slide actually to represent kind of the wide range of institutions that are now adopting badges and when last year when we, when Coral was in discussions with Actful, with the Actful Executive Board, one of their main concerns since this was brand new was is this for real? And it seems kind of silly, it seems like these are like merit badges of Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and is this being, should the educational community take this seriously? And in response to that question I showed them, the websites are giving the URLs of the MacArthur Foundation, the Bill and the Linda Gates Foundation, Disney, Smithsonian, NASA, as well as universities, Duke, Ohio State and so forth, to show them yes in fact that this is being widely adopted by very serious educational institutions. So the point is it's gaining credibility and another place to demonstrate to people that it is gaining credibility of course is in the popular press. I've been reading for the past couple of years, ever since I found out about badges, I read the Chronicle of Higher Education and the New York Times Education Pages and it's really quite amazing the past couple of years they've been following the rise of badges, showing your badge and we need some badges and so forth. So in the 21st century, how do you show what you know at the very top there? So if you want to find out more, there are lots of places online to find out who's implementing badges. Okay, so let's dig in a little bit farther and talk about what badges can do or at least what are the things that people are trying to use badges to do. Obviously make learning visible, that's the whole concept of the merit badge and the physical badges that have been taken into the digital realm. Preparing students for a changing world that using badges does require a certain amount of digital literacy and that's kind of a part of this, you know, building your online persona will help to get to the employment of the future. Showcasing identity, a lot of times badges will demonstrate your part in a community. Of course they can demonstrate mastery of the skill. Creating learning pathways, this again comes from the whole gains context where you can have badges that will step up to different levels. Badges are used to motivate participation, collaboration, recognition of accomplishments. And again, as we're thinking that badges may eventually act as an alternative credential. And basically when you look at badges, they can be divided into two types. There's the performance based types, this is the competency based model where you've successfully demonstrated that you have some skill or knowledge. And then there are a lot of badges that are just effort based, just a participation badge. And so you see both of these in the badge ecosystem, the types of badges that people are designing. I just want to jump in here to say that because this is a new area, educators are thinking about, Rachel just mentioned there are two types of badges, but they're developing more types of taxonomies of badges. So we're discovering different types of badges as we grow these systems. So I think this is going to be an area of research to figure out how we can take a curriculum and badgeify it. So there might be more different kinds of types than just those two, but I do think that's a good place to start to make a distinction between performance and effort. And that makes a lot of sense to most teachers. And what we're hearing from folks like the Director of the Office of Educational Technology at the U.S. Department of Education is that there's a real interest in competency based approaches to learning. And badges fit perfectly in with that type of approach. And I know Carl has talked about this idea that has been around for quite a long time in the language learning. Yeah, it really has. I mean, a lot of people talk about taking their curriculum and thinking about it in terms of competencies as kind of a new idea. But it really is something that in the foreign language community we've been doing for a rather long time. I mean, we've thought about it in terms of our skills, the four skills, speaking and listening and reading and writing and culture. And then drilling down to make those as specific and as measurable as possible. So we can then create badges for all of those specific competencies. Yeah, and of course the whole proficiency movement talking about it in terms of levels too. So I think we are in many ways, our curriculum has been thought out. We just haven't taken the step to create badges for that curriculum. And so open badges gives us a kind of framework to create design badges. And I do want to make the point that this really is an open system so anybody can create a badge. The Mozilla framework, and please jump in if anybody has questions, just kind of about the general idea of digital badges. I'm going to move right now to talking specifically, some of the specifics about open badges and just to give you some understanding of how a badge actually looks and functions in Mozilla's infrastructure. As I mentioned, Mozilla was really hoping to create a way for people to share badges, combine badges so you could earn badges from different places, but you could collect them all in one place and display them in the way that you want. So this is a technical standard that has been developed much in the same way a technical standard was developed for websites, the HTML standard. Well, badges are a different standard that allows organizations and institutions and individuals to share this information about the digital badge. Badges also in Mozilla's system allow you to verify that an achievement was actually made. You have to have the assertion of whoever issued you the badge. So there is that built in technically to the infrastructure. And again, the idea is that you will be able to display the badges in the places where you are online, whether that's social media, a personal website, what have you. And we'll hopefully, we have some diagrams that might show this a little better. Okay, so just to kind of pull back the image, so this is kind of a funny image, but if you see the, you're seeing the skeleton, like what's underneath the badge? So a badge is not just an image, just a flat image, but the badge actually has encoded within it information such as the badge name, the description, what did the earner of the badge do to get this badge? That's the criteria that has to be spelled out by the issuer. What exactly did they do? And this kind of gets to the idea of micro credentials. So this is, can be on a very granular level, what they did, who is the issuer, what is the evidence that they actually accomplished this? And this is a really neat affordance of badges is that you can actually provide a link to the evidence. So if somebody had to, say, create a lesson plan as part of earning that badge, they had to post the lesson plan somewhere, you could actually link to the output, to the actual products that the learner created in order to show that they've earned a badge. So just to take you back, remember that slide we showed you with the Girl Scouts? And Natalie and Rachel said, well that was just, that's a flat piece of fabric. This is different, right? Imagine in that piece of fabric that badge for basket weaving, if you could click on it, it would contain all this information about when the person earned the badge, what the badge is exactly for, what kind of basket did they weave. It gives you all kinds of information so you could verify that in fact you earned that badge. And this is going to be really important when employers want to verify teachers' professional development because right now it's very difficult for anybody, an employer to verify the information that's contained in a resume or a CV. Okay, well all of this is a little technical but let's look at this infographic and hopefully this will provide a clear picture of how the badge ecosystem is intended to work. I want to also mention this infographic is available for you. You can download it. It says infographic, how digital badges work as a PDF. We also have it on our website. Yes, in the presentation slide it is a little bit small and I apologize for that but hopefully you'll get the idea. So we have the learner in the center and the learner is going to go to different places. You know, say if it's an educator going to get professional development from various places, they may go to a university. They may go to an event at a professional organization or workshop. They may attend webinars given by language resource centers. They're going to be going to a variety of organizations to do their professional development. Each of those organizations could issue badges. Each one could have a badge system and award those badges for different types of learning that happens in those organizations. The learner would actually be able to collect all of those badges and keep them in what is called a badge backpack. And I'm going to show you what that looks like in just a moment but basically a place where they can store all of their badges. They can organize all of their badges and they can decide how to display the badges. And then finally, the learner can push those badges out or link to them from the various places where they spend their time online, whether that's their LinkedIn profile, a personal website, a school website, a Facebook page. Since this will be an open standard, it will be widespread. Your badge will be very portable. Now I should say that this is the hope of the ecosystem that Mozilla has developed. Since they started working on the left side of this infographic, the right side of the infographic, the displayer functionality is probably less developed. Right now, a lot of organizations have the ability to issue badges but you don't see a lot of places where you can actually display your badges yet. But we're confident that this is coming and you can. There are some workarounds and we'll get into that a little bit more next week when we go into the nuts and bolts of how can you actually issue badges and where can you display them and that sort of thing. Yeah, and I want to say that this infographic shows you then all the bits and pieces of what goes into what we're calling this ecology. So you have the issuers, people who are creating content and then evaluators and then issuers, these organizations like Actful. You have the person, the educator who's collecting the badges and then sending them out. And as Rachel said, all of those parts then have to be organized by some like Mozilla. There is a question I want to respond to by Claire here. She asks about Actful, is it going to become an issuer? Does anyone know anything about whether or not that they'll be issuing things like the OPI badges in the future? That's a great question, one that Natalie just answered but I want to kind of field it. We don't know because I don't think Actful at this point really knows either. It's brand new and they are in discussions about where to draw, where to take badges. And will they then badgify their existing professional development opportunities such as OPI seminars? But that is a big, big question. So Claire, I think the answer to the question is nobody knows including Actful right now. Okay, I do want to talk just a little bit about that badge backpack that I mentioned.  They have a Badges 101 quiz that you can take and that will actually give you a badge that you can put into your backpack. Once you're in the backpack and you have a few badges, this is what you'll see. Your badges are all displayed there. In the left side, you can create your own collections and you can name these categories whatever you like and store your badges in those collections. And the idea is that you may want to share different types of badges with different audiences. And so this lets you manage that. And then when you actually click on any of the badges, you get a little pop up here and this shows you all of those things, all of that metadata that we were talking about before when we looked at what's inside a badge. This is going to tell you the name of the badge, what exactly, what were the criteria for the badge, what you did to earn the badge. It may contain a link to the evidence where somebody can go and see what you did to earn the badge. So all of that stuff that's packed inside that image is visible here. And that's really how it will work on any site that displays a badge. That's the way it's intended to work is that you click on this image and you get all this information. So you don't have to click on the image if you just want the overview, but it's all there for somebody who really wants to dig in and know more about what that badge means. So can I just jump in here because I see that Mike has posted a question about physical badges versus digital badges, and of course we're talking primarily about digital badges, but it reminds me of this discussion between is digital replacing print for materials and actually not really, there still is the affordance of the physical object or print. And in fact, the actual badge that or the badge that we helped act will create the convention network of badge. It was a digital badge, but we also gave people real physical badges to wear at the convention because we wanted them to have a physical presence and people to notice it. And we also wanted them to have a digital badge so that they could disseminate it online. So I agree with the discussion going online here in the chat room that, you know, there may be times when you want to pursue having an actual physical icon too. There's another really good question here. Who has the authority to issue badges and who will recognize these sources as being valid? Do you want to take that one? Yeah, that is a big, big question. It is an open system, which means that anybody can issue a badge. You could issue a badge for your friend and in return your friend can issue a badge to you. But of course those kinds of badges are not going to have much validity, and it does come to the issue of I want value for this badge. So it's a self-organizing open system, and I think obviously they're going to be just like there are degrees of, let's say, prestige and value associated to all the other kinds of credentials that we already have right now in education such as which university did you go to? People start to rank them. I think you're going to have the same kind of self-organizing system with digital badges. But it is important that it be open. And there may be some overlap, certainly at the beginning, between who's creating a certain kind of badge. Does Coral have the same badge that other LRCs and other universities? So you're right, it's going to be kind of a messy self-organizing ecology. And I do think the ecological metaphor is appropriate because ecology is a kind of messy. Yeah, and I think it really depends on the context. I mean, you can have badges at many different levels.  And so those badges might just have value within your class. When we're talking about the larger scope of professional development, obviously we want our badges to have value to the earners, which means they also have to have value to the people that are going to be hiring these earners or who want to know about the performance of the earners of the badges. Yeah, and I also want to say that I notice that when people are posting a question, a general question, I tend to answer it thinking in terms of professional badges. And then Rachel just answered talking in terms more of a badge within a learning context with students. And of course those are very different things. But badges are meant to be that flexible where you really can use them with this set of metadata. All you have to have is a description and the criteria and the evidence, and that really can apply in any learning context. Okay, so this is an image that just shows the idea of associating badges with an individual. Yeah, and this is not just any individual. Some of you may recognize this individual. This is Toni Tyson. Toni is the past president of Actful. So she was at last year's Actful convention. And she's also the 2009 teacher of the year. She's a French teacher at Loveland High School in Colorado. But importantly for our purposes today, she is a badge earner. And in her backpack, she proudly displays these three badges. One from Actful, one from Coral, and one from Lark, and from San Diego State University. Okay, so we're going to move into looking at some concrete examples of some different digital badge systems that are in the foreign language education world. But I do encourage if you have any other questions just generally about badges, please feel free to ask them. If something is unclear, but we'll go ahead and continue on. So last month, Rachel and I were presenting about badges because that's our obsession. We've been talking a lot about them here at Coral and talking to other people about badges. And we put together a panel discussion, and it was great because we learned what other institutions were doing around badges. And one of the speakers was Julio Rodriguez from University of Hawaii. Julio is the director of the NFLRC at the University of Hawaii and also the Center for Language and Technology. And for the faculty at Hawaii, they have a badge series really focused on online learning. So teaching their faculty at Hawaii different technical skills. And you see they give three different badges, a content development badge, an interaction badge, and a technology badge. And yeah, this then I'm not sure if you can actually see very well the specifics of this, but each of these badges has very specific criteria or very specific things that they have to do in order to accomplish the badge. So for example, the content development badge, they were basically training them to find good content for their university courses and to be able to then upload that content into their language management system or learning management system rather at the University of Hawaii. The interaction badge was to teach them to use tools for communication tools or ICT, things like voice thread, message boards, also to interact with their learning management system. And then their technology badge was to teach them all kinds of different skills that they felt their faculty needed to be better teachers in the 21st century, how to use Google Docs, how to edit an image, how to create your own YouTube channel, and so forth. And then this is, actually I should let Rachel talk about this. This is something that she discovered recently. Yeah, just recently I came across the French department at Portland State is issuing badges. And they've got badges for proficiency in the language, but also for things like community engagement and cultural knowledge badges. So this is a part of their program that they're offering to students. I think in this case it might be sort of like a certificate program. I think a lot of universities are looking to badges for that purpose. It's not necessarily a degree program, but it's more of a certificate program. Yeah, and I think another way of thinking about this in for university programs is to have students create a portfolio, a digital portfolio, where they can collect them these kinds of badges. So another one of the LRCs, the one I mentioned at San Diego State LARC, has launched several badging initiatives. And they have one that they've given for online passage rating workshop that is looking at various reading passages and then rating them according to proficiency levels. They have a workshop on using social media and language teaching. And then the one on the right, the California Language Teachers Association, they give a badge for the attendance at that conference. So not just participation or seat time, but each one of these badges, if you go to the LARC website, you'll see that they require you to do something to earn the badge. Yeah, and we're going to move into some of Coral's badging initiatives and talking about some of the things that we've tried. But I would also like to ask everyone that's participating today, if you know of any other badge systems that are out there, if anybody's experimented with badges in the classroom or earned a badge from another organization that everyone would be interested in, please, please post it because we are looking for other examples of people that are doing it. Martella just wrote in with a question about Coral or actual pushing the Department of Education to recognize that. Yeah, Martella, that's a great, yeah, good question, good comment. Actually, it's one of, taking in terms of advocacy, I think we need to start to advocate or to take this idea to badges to various, well, I don't know, I mean the Department of Education is an important player, so they play an organizing function among all these different entities. That's one of the reasons why we wanted to go to Actful to take the idea of badges to Actful. We figured that if one of these large institutions got on board with that, it would certainly give it prestige and validity and bring it to the attention of the foreign language community. So I agree that we should be talking to as many players as we possibly can about the idea of badges. But remember this is a self-organizing system, so it's going to take us a while to figure some of these things out, and we don't really have to have it all figured out to at least begin. We don't want to be paralyzed because it seems that it's too big to think about the entire system. We just need to start and see how these, we can start to fit the pieces together. But the slide that we have up right now talks about Coral's Badging Initiatives, and this kind of shows you our chronological arc. The first badge on the left was something that we gave two years ago for a seminar that we gave on open education and foreign language education. And the idea was we were issuing challenges to attendees to not just attend the conference, but to then take back the information that we gave them into their classrooms and do something with it. And one of the challenges was to continue discussion of the ideas around using an OER in classrooms, posting that online and having an online discussion with the other attendees. And we call that a collaborator badge. We've already mentioned a couple of times the Actful badge. We helped Actful with their convention network or badge, and I'll be talking about that. Actually, it should say Actful 2000, was it 2014? It's 2013, wasn't it? And then we're going to be talking about the teacher effectiveness for language learning or TEL. That's our upcoming collaboration between Coral, LARC, and TEL. So the convention network or badge that we did in Orlando, the main idea was really to increase engagement, to increase awareness about what this concept was. What is a digital badge? And as I mentioned, I think we did create quite a buzz. There were a lot of people talking about what a badge was. But the other point was that we wanted to show Actful that around badges are these professional communities because badges themselves can create a network. So if you go to the next slide, this was the interface that we used. And you had to enter some information about who you were as an Actful attendee, what your interests were. And then it created a profile for you. And here's just a snapshot of a couple of people. So you see right in the middle there Colleen Murphy. Colleen is a teacher from Creekside High School in Florida. And it shows that she's interested in American sign language. That's her language. You see the others are interested in Japanese, Spanish, Mandarin, Chinese, and so forth. And then the red tiles there indicate their primary research or pedagogical interest such as instructional technology. And then on the far right, it shows you where you can find them on the Internet. So Facebook or LinkedIn profile or the Actful website itself. So again, these were to create various networks of people, of like-minded people. And the other idea was of course to then post on social media about what you were learning at the convention. So that was the idea of a convention networker. And this gives you a couple of instances, a face of Twitter here with people. Kevin, there's Tony Tyson who's tweeting about something. And then of course we were collecting data on all of this. We had over 600 participants. So that's roughly 10% of the Actful attendees. So I think that was a pretty good level of participation for the first time event. It showed the Actful Executive Committee that there was a real interest in digital badges. And among the participants, the top 10 interests of these convention networkers. The number one, I thought this was kind of interesting. Number one, interest was immersion. Number two, not surprisingly, was technology in language learning. Three, assessment for 21st century skills. Five, bilingualism. Six, study abroad. And seven, open education. And then on the right, the pie chart there just shows you that these networkers had various preferred platforms that they were using at the Actful community. I think, what is it, at the top, Facebook had 26%. So that was just interesting. We were collecting data on who these people were and how they were creating their social networks. Yeah, and this bad really was, since it was mostly an awareness raising effort, you know, it really was about participation. It wasn't really a badge.  But we just left it really easy. All they had to do was sign up and agree to be a networker. And then they got the badge. So that was our choice. And, you know, it's sort of, you know, badges can be as simple or as complicated as you make them. And, you know, we're still trying to figure out what is the right balance. So here's where we want to go. This is one of our initiatives here at Coral's to work with Tel. That's, remember, it's teacher effectiveness for language learning. And this is a nonprofit group that is a really of world language supervisors that has started this kind of grassroots effort to train other supervisors in what is a model, what is effectiveness look like in the language teaching profession. And the idea then is to build on their framework, which is fairly elaborate, but what's so nice is that it's written in the discourse of teachers. Teachers understand that it's very transparent to them. And we then want to partner with Tel using their framework and turn that into badges so that language supervisors at local school districts can use that for professional development. Because I started out by saying I was frustrated by the kind of haphazard in random nature of professional development where people were coming up to me at state conventions and, you know, the professional development scheme based on primarily seek time. So this is our way of trying to add, I think, more professionalism to professional development. And we hope to be in a pilot phase starting next year with Austin Independent School District and Tina Dong. I see her in the chat room.  And we also are then doing the same thing in hopefully in San Diego schools and in Los Angeles schools with the National Heritage Language Resource Center. And that gives you this next, this is a nice slide of the Tel framework. Tel breaks it into these kinds of three columns. A successful, effective teacher prepares for student learning. So what they do in preparation and preparing the environment for kind of a safe and comfortable learning environment and planning for the lesson. The next column is advancing student learning. What do you do during learning, performance and feedback, choice of learning tools and so forth. And then supporting the student learning really, I would say, refers to the larger ecosystem of going outside your classroom, collaborating with other stakeholders in education, professional development is something that you do primarily on your own time outside of the classroom. But this, again, each one of these are areas and they have all kinds of competencies, so it's fairly granular as a framework. Okay, I do want to point out that we have a website that is dedicated to the topic of open badges for foreign language education. You'll find that at open badges.coral.utexas.edu. And we're trying to keep that up to date when we find new articles of interest. It's an exciting time right now because badges have been around for a couple years and there was a lot of funding a couple years ago, a lot of institutions and organizations were given grants to create batch systems. And we're at the point now where a lot of the research, there's research and results of how those batch systems work, that is all starting to come out. So it's a good time to kind of jump into this because there are people that have started from scratch and figured out a lot of things and that's what we're going to be talking about more next week. Next week we're going to be talking about how to not only the nuts and bolts of creating and issuing badges, but some of the new thoughts around batch system design and considerations for how do you design badges. Yeah, and I just want to say that this short, very brief webinar is meant to pique your curiosity about badges so that if you do get excited or interested, this is the place to go. We built this website for foreign language teachers to give them a lot more concrete exemplars about how language teachers and teacher trainers are grabbing hold of the idea and really working with it. So please take a look at it, you'll find lots of really great information. And if you do have any suggestions for stuff we can post on the website, please let us know. I see some good links coming through on the chat that we might want to add to that site. Yeah. And share this URL with your colleagues of course, send it out to people. So now let's get to you. I mean since this is a webinar on badges, we're going to give you a badge assignment. So Rachel. Okay, well this is a challenge for you. I hope that you will accept it. We have a template that I'm going to show you in just a second that has been adapted from another organization who's done a lot of badge workshops and we've actually used this template as well. But it will help you think through all of the pieces that are needed to create a digital badge. And so we'd like for you to develop a badge concept that would work in whatever context you are in or you're thinking about. So it could be a badge for your classroom. It could be a professional development badge. It could be really anything you want. But we just want to kind of go through this exercise and also get ideas from you about what types of badges you think would be really useful in a given context. So the idea is that the assignment is or challenge is to develop the concept using the template provided and you can download that from that file share window. We would like you to submit your concept hopefully by Monday June 16th prior to the next webinar because we would like to share some of these in the next webinar.  But this is really easy everybody so you should do it. It's not that hard. And it'll really help I think just doing it on paper thinking about your concept on paper. It'll make them next session much more relevant when we talk about how do you actually create this badge. So again you've already thought through the concept. Right. So we're trying to practice what we preach. This isn't just a webinar where we give you lots of information and then you go away and forget it. We want you to do a little something just a little something with it so that it makes all of this make more sense for you. Right.  You don't have a backpack yet. If you've never earned a badge this is a really great opportunity to see how that whole process works. And again I'll explain that process more in the next webinar. So you know don't worry if you don't know what to do with the badge yet. We'll get into that next time. So let's look at an example. We have an example of a template for you. And Carl's going to talk for you. You can see the blue fields are what Carl wrote in. This is his idea for a badge. Yeah. So Rachel gave me this badge literally two days ago and said here's your assignment. And then I went home that night and thought a little bit about it. So this is my badge. The name of my badge is Language Partner. And so I had in mind a French class. I teach French here at the University of Texas. And in our lower division French classes I thought wouldn't it be great if I could have our language students, have our American students have a French language partner or a Francophone language partner. And I actually know of an OER, an open educational resource that is produced by Todd Bryant at Dickinson College. That's perfect for this. And it's called the mixer. It's an M-I-X-X-E-R. So you can go online and find it. The mixer and the whole point of the mixer is you have a place where you can write, you can fill out a profile of and you put your profile on the site and it gets matched with somebody else who is looking for the language that you speak. In other words, I'm an English speaker and I want to learn French. Then I matched up with a French speaker who wants to learn English. And you can actually go and look over profiles of the speakers of the language that you're interested in and contact the person. And then you have what you interact using Skype. And all of this is a nice interface. It's fairly easy to use. And Todd at Dickinson College is actually using this in his MOOCs that he's developed for French and Spanish and Chinese. So the idea is to register. In order to get the badge, you have to register on the mixer and complete three Skype interviews with a Francophone partner. In other words, you're going to interview the person in French and then they will turn around and interview you in English. That's the whole idea of an exchange. And I said from my exchange, I wanted the students to use question sets that are at the end of each chapter of our textbook. You can make up your own or you can adapt them. You can give them a particular kind of interview set, whatever you want to do. And then the evidence would be the mixer keeps an activity log so that I could see that in fact you did sign up for it. And in fact, you do have a profile. And I also wanted the student to give me the transcribed answers of their exchange partner. If you wanted you, you could follow up with an interview and ask the student questions about their exchange. How did it go and what happened and so forth. But I wanted this to be fairly low stakes. I kind of was envisioning this as something that was supplemental to my class that they would actually start to create, I don't know, a relationship with a Francophone student. Research shows that if students are just thrown into a chat room and say go speak, that it falls apart after a little while. So I wanted to have some kind of a scaffold, a little bit of a framework. And that of course is what I've tried to do with these different question sets. So what is the value? Well, if they can do this, it starts to show them that they have the ability to communicate with a real true native speaker. And that of course is the whole point of the classroom. So hopefully that gave you a little bit of a sense of what these different categories mean, the name of the badge, the users, the criteria. The criteria and the evidence are really the heart of the badge. The criteria really defines the badge. What can you do or what did you do? I do want to say this template was intended to be a paper and pencil template. So that's why you have these ideas for badge shapes. And if you want to go ahead and print it out and draw a badge shape, that would be great, but it's not required. If you don't want to add an image, just put some ideas. What were your ideas for maybe an icon or it could stand in for this badge concept? And by the way, I stole this image right from the Mixer's website itself. They have these two people talking, which I thought captured nicely the idea of an exchange with your foreign students. But literally, this did not take me very long. So if you go through the steps and then give it to us, we will say, yes, you deserve a badge. And we'll probably try to share some of those badge ideas then on the next webinar. All right. So we're coming to the end here. But just a reminder, we do have the next webinar on June 18. And we will really be digging in then on some real practical ways of creating and issuing badges and then also talking about badge systems a little bit more. And before we close, I do see in the chat room there have been a number of people who said they've been unable to download the files, the template, and so forth, because if you're interested in doing the assignment, how do you do it about the template? So Natalie has written everybody and said that we will definitely post the files on the website probably by tomorrow. And where will they be on the website? It will under the event link. Okay. The event link being the link for the webinar. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So we'll have that up by tomorrow, hopefully. And yeah. So we're sorry about the problems with some of the download. That's just one of the problems with Adobe Connect and doing the magic of webinars. Again, the infographic and some of this content is also available on the Open Badges website that we told you about. That's available right on the website, of course, website. So thank you all very much for attending. And I hope you come back for our second webinar in a week. Yes. And we'll leave this open for a few minutes just in case you're still downloading something. Feel free to send us an email if you have any follow-up questions or are still having trouble getting access to the files. Natalie can put our email address in there. And just to let us know your reaction to this. Yeah. I'm glad that you attended. Yeah. Yes, please. We'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye-bye.


Hey, hey, hello, you just appeared on me. I was the only one because I was I'm working on being able to actually fix the screen sharing thing. Let's see. Hello. Awesome. Hey, hello. That should fix that. Hey, cool. Yeah. Sometimes I can do screen sharing from here. Sometimes that's great. Folks, give us a few more moments for waiting on more participants. Emily, we don't need Corma day and it's also been a bit since we've done one of these. So yeah, I'm glad you mentioned it because I was just going to jump on. All right, folks. Hello, everyone. Good day. We're going to go ahead and get started as a reminder. Meetings are part of the Linux foundation, normal antitrust notice and meeting logistics. You've made it. Awesome. We have several, many of our TOC members out on vacation or on holiday. So you get what we have here today and present our agenda. We're going to run through the tag updates, but first we have a tag update update that we'd like to propose. We're going to provide some status updates and projects moving levels. Next slide back one. There we go. So we've been going through the tag updates the way that we have for a long period of time and I think that there is a lot of excellent information that each of the tags are sharing, but it's not always consistent across the tags and that's fine. So what we want to do is given the amount of activities that we're starting to shift over to the tags and the current health and sustainability of the tags and the work that they're doing. I want to introduce some small changes to what we're looking for out of tag updates. I figure we can try this in September, see how it works, see if we're getting a lot of great information exchange from everyone and highlighting all of the great work that the tags are doing. And if it works, great. We'll stick with format. If not, we can make changes tweak or go back to what we had. So the first one that I want to focus on is doing tank health updates. How is your workload? Do you have too much work? Are we asking too much of you? Do you have too many projects assigned? Are you looking to take on more work? How's your contributor activity? Do you have a lot of contributors? Is the workload that you currently have being distributed effectively? Do you need assistance in that area? What kind of support are you receiving? Is it good? Do you need more? Do you need more engagement from your TOC liaisons? Do you need less engagement from your liaisons? And then any additional attention areas that where you need help, whether or not that's cross tag functionality, maybe CNCF staff support, something along those lines. And then meat and potatoes of it. Really the work that you all are engaged in. What are the projects that you've engaged with? What kind of engagement was it? Was there something specific that was interesting or noteworthy as part of that presentation or engagement? We hear a lot of presentations that happen, but I want to make sure that we're getting the really valuable details out of that so that we can either make other tags or other community members aware and engage with them. Or perhaps reach out to the projects directly if there's something of particular note that we're interested in. And also all of your working group updates. I know many of our tags have working groups. We'd like to get those updates from you all. And I think everyone's been doing that, but want to make sure that it's solidified here. What work you've done so far since the last update, anything that you currently have in progress that's ongoing and what you've got coming up. So a little bit more of that roadmap planning. So we have better visibility month to month on what you all are working on and have the appropriate opportunities to highlight and share that with the community at large and with our adopters and users. And any topics that are coming up in some of your community discussion. We've had a lot of changes in technology over the past several years. And usually tags and the questions that come to you all are early indicators of upcoming trends focuses or concerns that different adopters or end users are experiencing at the time. So, thought we would try this out for September and see how it goes does anybody have any immediate feedback or thoughts and opinions on this. Emily. Again, thank you for going through this, I think it's very exciting. Is there a format or are we just adding info to the slides. Is there. Can we maintain markdown that can be then, you know, on the tag repos as a status update that then get at gets added to these slides or. Good question. I think for right now for September while we're trying it out, we'll just do a template in the slide deck that kind of allies all these areas. And then depending on how successful that is, we might switch over to markdown or something along those lines. But let's, let's keep that in mind moving forward because I like the automation portion of this as part of the tags regular work. Yeah, and you can also search on it, which makes it easier. So, thanks. All right. Next slide. Tang storage. Hi, I will give an update from text storage. So now we have a new text with coach here, Rafael, supposedly from redhead. He is the main author of the cloud native disaster recovery, my paper, and has been contributing to the tech for a while. We are very happy to have him on board. And we have two storage projects. I'm a store and X line that recently joined the CNC F as sandbox projects. And our web paper on running data on Kubernetes is being reviewed. We are trying to wrap it up and get it published. In recent text storage meetings, there were presentations from X line and farming store. We also had a presentation from a mention on storage and sustainability. There was also a presentation from the sandbox project up. It's a backup and restore project. They also submitted an annual review. We will be reviewing the annual reports with the guidance from our to see the results, the guitar and Matt. And we also have an upcoming presentation from canister always also applying for sandbox. That's all for me. Fantastic. Are you all also going to send out the cloud native disaster recovery paper on the to see mailing list. And we are trying to get a blog published. So I need to follow up because we did send that out to the CNC F stuff. So, so maybe for the for this other paper, which is not published yet, which is the data on Kubernetes, the database patterns there, people will can send out to the mailing list and to get more reviews, because the the cloud native DR one that's already published on our GitHub, which is trying to write a blog for that. Awesome. Nikita. I just had a quick question about Pelkin. So, do you know if they're still interested in applying for sandbox because if I recall correctly, they, there was some licensing issues since they were a fork of an open source project under the Twitter GitHub. But it seems like it's no longer the case. If they're still interested or would it help to like pull them to check. So I need to reach out to them they have not got back last time when they gave us a presentation a few months ago they said they are interested. So let me reach out and get back to you on that. Just another quick question about the review on the white paper database patterns are you looking for additional reviewers. Do you think it might help if we tweet from the CNCF account for more outreach and asking for the viewers especially from any users. Yeah, so if we can get more people to review that will be great. Yeah, if, if there are other ways to reach out to more people. I can definitely send it out just sent through the TLC mailing list but there are, if there are other ways to get the words out. We did talk about it in the last cube con we did ask people to review. But if there are other ways, it would be great. I just wanted to chat about the social media channel where you can reach out. Oh, okay, so should. Oh that channel okay. That's it. That's a slot channel. Oh okay I'm not aware of that so sure. Slack just go ahead and drop on like the hey please like you know amplify this thing like. That's a that's a great idea. I'm not aware of that. Okay. Yeah, it's a good one. Thanks. Any other questions for tag storage. Okay, next slide. It's tag security. This is Pushkar. I'll be doing the update today, along with Andy. So first up we have a chair transition. Thank you Brandon for all the work over several years as a chair as a tech lead before that as a member. We have two longs to our long list of emeritus chairs. Some of them are in the to see as well. And I'm lucky enough to replace him and take the baton forward. So, couple of updates on white paper version two. So there have been a few translations that have already happened. Two of them were merged in our repository yesterday. One is a Chinese translation and then there is Japanese. There has been a lot of good feedback from the glossary localization teams for both of those languages on these papers so that was great to see. There is one more that's in progress, which is Spanish translation, and we expect to publish a blog for both the Chinese and Japanese working with the original translate translation authors on the CNCF website. Next update on security assessments. We've created a project board or continue to use it in a much better way. Explaining where the different assessments are in terms of progress. So, two in progress, one is in backlog there are nine which are blocked way which is which means that they're waiting for comment from the project maintainers and we keep it open and bring them a couple of times before we can, we'll move forward on that. There is an interesting note for which I'll quickly pass it on to Andy on the NYU students collaboration with CNCF.  Thank you so much. We have had a very kind offer from a professor versus Justin Kappos of NYU Tandon lab to bring some of the students into the security pals process. So, this is intended to reduce the latency on getting a project to assessment. We often find that projects don't necessarily have everything they need to navigate those waters. So, the security pals process is meant to assist them to get to a point where they can present the tag they can form a self assessment, and we can then compare and contrast our notes and move to a place where we can make recommendations, the project and back to the community. So, this is very much in an exploratory stage this point that this is here as a proposal, not only for tag feedback, but also to the wider tag security group. And we'll put together a process whereby new projects are prioritized self identified their desire for assistance in this regard. So, we're moving towards presenting and then generating the self assessment, and then that gets into a place where, ideally, we really churn through this backlog, because we do have more projects in the backlog right now than we come forward. And the last update I'll say is in true open source fashion of chopping wood carrying water. I raised one of our techniques has been really amazing in the last couple of months, especially cleaning out so much of backlog of our issues and pull request. This just has made everything really sustainable for all of us to go forward. The number of issues have gone down dramatically that open. Same thing with pull request and he's continuing to do that along with all of us jumping in revenue so thanks Andres a lot. That's it from tax security. Welcome for scar. Any questions for tax security. Next slide. Tag runtime. Hey everyone. Yeah, so I'll provide updates for tag runtime. We've had a lot of activity. Different projects. Also with the working groups. So in terms of presentations and and projects I have presented in our meeting. We have a project called KCP presented in August. Third, this is a Kubernetes control. Kubernetes like control planes from managing cloud infrastructure. We also had a presentation from craft kit. This is a unit kernel tooling that that will happen a few weeks ago. Yeah, it's a project that I think a lot of you are familiar with it. Right now, the graduation is in progress. I think the public coming or maybe I think it's also the voters out. But but this is not has not quite graduated and voting. Great. In terms of projects that graduated is we have cryo and cute flow so yeah so we couple of very popular projects and useful projects cute flow now with all the machine learning hype so it's good to see that. We had a presentation from slim toolkit. This is a project that allows you to this in our last meeting, allows you to trim container images. And in terms of Kubernetes and workload workloads type of projects, we will have coordinator presented on August 17th. This allows to create quality of service for workloads. Another project called cube beam helps with the cluster lifecycle management Kubernetes will they will present on August 31. And Karmata, it allows it to do Kubernetes cluster management to and this project is currently in due diligence review we have a to see sponsors as Nikita erasure. And also in initial due diligence review. We did have a presentation on cube clipper another Kubernetes management system so a lot of different Kubernetes management systems to our cube is a infrastructure as code automation tool that we reached out to. And finally we had a presentation from wasm cloud. The project has actually grown and they've had a lot of more contributions so they're planning to go for incubation. In terms of tag runtime activities for keep coming North America we're planning a session and a space, we did have a space at the last cube con EU was very successful at a lot of participation so excited to plan that out and hopefully a lot of the folks participate. And, and I think there have been a lot of conversations on sandbox reviews. So we're getting ready to start doing that. So we're the TLC members and the community are defining the process so we're excited to get that started and get help from all the different folks with the sandbox review so we've gotten a lot of people interested in participating and helping out. In on our work groups. We have a few working groups a container orchestrated device that working group of the. We just created the GitHub TNC of tags organization so they're going to get started with migrating some of the work that they've been doing with container container devices standards so they will in that there so they're also excited about that. In terms of the wasm working group so finally got created the charter was created and started to me regularly. They're also very excited about wasm con that's happening next month and a lot of folks in that group are participating in our batch working group. They're working on a document to to describe some of the batch scheduling high performance computing scheduling terms. So the edge IOT working group, they're working on a new white paper it's the ideal design patterns for it's native principles so they're the last work white paper was on it's native principles so this is more about ideal design patterns. And they're also working looking at the intersection and working with wasm working group and seeing how they can tie together with with the edge so there's a lot of overlap there. And finally, we created another working group called a special purpose operating system working group. We got a lot of folks interested in the community from different projects, Rajas who's on the call now he's leading that effort. I'm very excited to see that happen in a lot of different projects in the space like bottle rocket tallows flat car Cairo so all of them getting together and coming up with a charter to advance the community and advance the space. That's it for the updates. Happy to take any questions if anybody has any. Any questions for tag runtime. I had a question, Ricardo. Thank you again for, you know, the state level of detail, really exciting. The coupon any space in session and I would like to you know figure out if we could also collaborate somehow from the tag observability. Is this something that you're working with the cube con organizers on getting space or how does that work. Yeah, we can sync up offline on slack and there's with the CNC F basically yeah so. Okay, at the last cube con, I think a lot of the tags. We had a dedicated space where, you know, they, a lot of folks in different working groups and community members sat down and talked about their work and talked about they, I mean, some of them actually created an agenda, you know, different presentations or topics to talk about so it's kind of like an, like an open room to talk about different things. But yeah, so but you can say you're talking with the project meetings here. Yeah, they're the project meetings, essentially, yeah. But there's some that there were a lot of tags that actually had that meeting. Besides, you know, specific CNC projects. I see I see because I mean I typically have no we have not done that from tag observability would be great to do that cross project, you know, meeting. We do do you know obviously the projects themselves do, do have project meetings. But I'll get more details from you again that would be great to do at the tag tag level. Thank you. Yep. Yeah, and I think there's also some other initiative to get all of the tag leads together in some other time slot. George is working on a tag meet and great. And if you're not aware of that there is a thread in the tag chairs channel. Also, Emily, thank you for calling that out. And I'll make him come by and do a presentation on like, I think September. George will come by and get on for a tag meet and great. I mean we usually do an informal, you know, dinner invite for everyone to gather up but it's just that it would be nice to have a slightly more organized space. So thank you. Any other questions for tag runtime. Hey, Ricardo for that white people around ideal design patterns for edge native principles is there an open issue for that for folks that are interested in joining. I'll have to go back and check with the ith working group with. I'll come back to you to you that but they're. Yeah, so if there isn't an issue, I'll actually ask them to create an issue so it makes it easier to. Yeah, that would be very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. All right, next up is tag observability. All right. I think there it is can see my slide. Okay, hi everyone. Good morning. Today, from the tag observability we've been pretty pretty pretty busy on our work groups where we have started focusing in on two specific work groups. The new latest one is the query language standard work group which again was approved in late May. And again has had lots of interest from the industry, different end users as well as veterans participating. And we have currently we're working on the use case and language descriptor descriptions and the DSL designer interview questions that is looking at you know what are some of the DSL that exists today in the form of query languages and also getting feedback from architects who are designing these DSLs right for for different observability projects that already exist such as prom QL or or other vendor query languages such as elastic QL and others. Lots of excitement and again, a lot of participation in these meetings. And we are actually alternating them on the two Tuesdays when the science the tag meeting itself is not very held so we're pretty busy all all through the month. And work group that has been ongoing for a while and as super key to actually continuing to have discussions best practices and build out around the observability of Kubernetes is in progress. Some of the things that we have done as we work very closely with many of the projects and the observability space, you've taken the project demo that application that exists on open telemetry which is in community project within open telemetry and taken as an baseline to be enhanced as an app to observe and fundamentally instrumenting that for Kubernetes infrastructure metrics tracing so that you know it can be used as an model for starting off instrumentation on your infrastructure and set up right so this this work group has been kind of working towards a more practical and goal which you know and users can take and use. Again, there's some good first issues outlined and we continue to you know get folks involved, but would like to see more folks involved in this process because you know today the community is kind of split across the project. SIG instrumentation group on the Kubernetes project itself and then the tag work as well as the projects and observability. Right so again, having more cohesion there would be helpful. Another call out for the observability projects and I love the idea that Pushkar in, you know, introduced off tracking different projects and what state they're in with the project board I've looked at the TOC project boards thank you again you know they're helpful and we emulate that you know on the tag observability side also where we can track and refer to the TOC project boards, you know it through through that it's really a great way to represent you know status as well as communicate, you know what's in progress. So there's a question here that I had, and as you know open cost is one of the cost observability projects which are under the observability domain. Cube cost is another one of them. And I was curious as to you know whether these projects which have cost optimization observability very key in the end user world especially are projects that we should have a special section for in the observability space. And I'd like to discuss a bit more you know offline on this but it's a special you know type of projects if you will that you know border on cost optimization from an infrastructure point of view and also measurement. So they have different parameters that are associated with it and I would like to have more clarity on what that means from a review perspective right for for going through the incubation graduation process. But nonetheless cube open cost is in review right now by the TOC and look, look forward to helping on that. Meetings and highlights, we are deep in also in the midst of discussing cube con prep and also super excited for you know the Chicago meetings coming up. Just just a couple months away so not too far away. So again I'll stick up with Ricardo to get more info and you know figure out how we can actually have and going up in the project meetings. We've also been maintaining a speaker series where we invite different experts from across the industry as well as on the different projects who are working and contributing to various projects. So we have three performance enhancements today we have a speaker, you know series right after on Thanos performance enhancements again. This continues to be very popular and very informative as a bunch of talks. So, they are posted on our YouTube channel, but would like to figure out if we can actually do some more follow up and maybe have a process for reiterating, you know, the availability of a speaker series so that you know more folks can leverage it through the CNCF groups. And last but not least again huge thanks to the TOC for you know continuing to look at how the tags can help and formalizing that process again I hope that you know the tag folks who have contributed for a long time can get more involved and support the to see and thank you again. And any questions. Yeah, any questions for tag observability. I had a quick question. Have you considered moving the repos under the absolve kids get have worked to maybe the CNCF tax. Yes, we, we actually Nikita started the second group within the tag observability get have worked so we are taking into account for sure, because it's easier for you know, the word groups to be consolidated. Thank you. I had a quick question and this is probably more exploratory to do offline, but for the cost of measurements for open cost and other projects, similarly to that. It might be beneficial to engage with tag environmental sustainability because I think there is some measurement and some observation overlap between the two. I think that they are working with the Falco project to explore better transparency and its utilization of compute in cloud and cognitive environments so that might be. There might be an opportunity for cross tag partnership and collaboration on projects such as that. I'll definitely will do that. Thank you for the suggestion. Is there, I'll just bring you on slack to get a point of contact. Leo or Marlowe and Leo is there. Okay. Yeah. I'll reach out to you. Thank you. Yeah. All right, tag network. All right. All right, we have two projects to talk about today. So one just presented this last Thursday at spider pool. It's proposed for sandbox spider pool is lots of Kubernetes Kubernetes underlay network solution. So it's, it's about six years old actually spin spin there for a while they only recently brought it open the folks that are maintaining it are. They're from dark cloud and are in a nascent way trying to build community and contribute external contribution around the project it was started as an IPAM centric thing. It is not accurate to call it another CNI, although, although it is a CNI, and it does integrate with weave and Calico if they're present. All right, it's a sandbox proposal. It's the thing that we focused on most since last time I gave an update here. There is another project to that's going to prep. Well, it's going to present next time in a couple of weeks, he's grass, which I was just learning about earlier today. On the call actually so I didn't have it listed here. I will do a sandbox review of their will do will have them present and keep some notes. I will try to write up a bit more notes about spider pool and their presentation and how far along they are as a project. To the extent that that's helpful as I'm assuming like has the the to see hasn't necessarily reviewed this one just yet. I believe they're they're up for our next sandbox review cycle for going through the new applications, which I think is September timeframe sometime in mid mid September we have to figure out dates right now we've got it for September 12. I think it's probably going to move to the 26th. Yeah, but like September track for September that part is at least certain. I'll write up a couple of notes to the extent that it, that it's helpful. It always is any time a tag is reviewing one of the sandbox applications any notes observations, anything like that is always beneficial as the to see goes through and reviews those applicants. I think we'll digress is the one we'll take a look at in a couple of weeks, and, and we are off to try to drum up some additional. Well, some additional activity it's been a long time since we've invited like the Kubernetes sig network or some of the sub sig network. We have some working groups over there to come and present. We haven't for a while reached out in general, soliciting the open community to come and use it as a forum for discussion and presentation so what's time. Amy, Amy, Amy is well aware that it's time. Anyway, it's time for us to. It's great to see you here I'm looking forward to being able to see like kind of new things happening for network. Yeah, so this. So we're, we've got a couple of other co chairs at the moment who are. Yeah, who are only only so available only so involved was chatting with Lynn son about coming in as a co chair as well. And so, you all might see a suggestion about that soon. So that will help in terms of getting some more activity going on. Awesome. Thanks Lee for the updates. Any questions for anyone. No. Okay. How environmental sustainability. Hello. So I think we, I talked about this also in the last meeting. We've been starting planning the cloud name sustainability week. So the last month, we had two meetings and we have actually every two weeks now at a meeting where we plan the event. If you're not aware, this is one week, the second week of October where we will have a lot of local meetups. So there are the community groups from this in CF. And we reached out and we have right now, I believe. 27 local meetups signed up. So I think this is quite a big number. So we will see how many will scheduled at the end maybe there will be some edits. I don't know, but I'm very excited about that. And we have next week to meetings with the local meetup organizers to think about the event. So they are aware of everything which is going on. And they can also give feedback. So we have enough time to change the event. So a lot going on on this front. Our hope is to raise more awareness and also to route back, for example, to the landscape document. And to some other efforts where we need just more input or in general would like to understand where the industry is at and the community is at. So I think this is a very interesting event. And the next thing is a small one. Last month we written down a contributor maturity path. So this is document a Mac don't document, which we added to our governance. And this is just one thing which we link to new joiners if they're interested in how to mature as a contributor in the tag. There's a lot of stepstones kind of where you can focus on if you're in this stage. And if you're interested in leading, for example, working group, this gives some some guidance how to reach this point. This has been very well received. I like we got quite a few comments about this, not sure. We will observe over time if this document is of a lot of views, maybe this can also be adopted by other tags, or maybe other tags have a similar strategy. The next next thing is formation of the working group green reviews. So this is also on a discussion for quite some time we had two additional meetings where we talked about the charter. And the charter is now under review. Actually, it's kind of at the end of the review cycle there just a few comments open. So maybe we will tweak it a little bit, but other than that, I think it's pretty finalized. We had also a meeting with Falco, they re invited Falco, one Falco maintainer last, I think last meeting or the week meeting before Falco is very interested in a partnership. So they're proposing to kind of kickstart be the pilot project where we can assess and tweak project reviews. So that's very, very great that they are proactive and that they are very interested. And I think with this partnership we can define like a more general guideline, which we can also use to review all other C&C projects at some point. That's the goal. But there's a lot of work to do. Very excited about that. The next thing. Right, close a partnership with the green software foundation. So there are a lot of things in the green software foundation which are kind of interesting to us. Working on standards, for example, or they also propose in the meeting tomorrow that will present us like a new framework which can also be interested in to assess the sustainability footprint of projects. There's quite some overlap. And we kind of are more, we are engaging with the green software foundation from the start but we are intensifying this a little more. And also, they're intensifying this from their side. So I think this is very good to partner more actively. We also attend meetings. So we are in a better sync and also collaborate cross organizations and projects about the landscape document. There's been a couple of smaller additions to the landscape document. It's on the website if you're interested. We're still in a stage where we know their gaps. So with the cloud name sustainability week, for example, but also with cube corn and some other events. We hope to raise a little bit more awareness so folks can kind of roll back and add their content and maybe like point out some gaps that we have. So maybe if you come across some areas which are kind of interesting kind of new in the discussion about environment sustainability. Maybe you could give us a hint or just add a pull request, if you would like. But this is on our minds to extend this until cube corn. We want to cut like a new version kind of or we want to show the new additions of the landscape document every cube corner so. So that's one thing. Also, the working group comms. We had a discussion about the state of the working group because it's kind of in a strange state. It's not, it's already approved, but we need to more formally understand maybe where the Charter is at, even if like working group comes is kind of obvious where it's going. But still we will kind of circle back a little bit and sit down for a week and drafted draft up a Charter and then discuss the Charter and start engaging folks. So we have a more proper structure of the working group. And I think that's a very good change. And we are looking for folks who are interested in this kind of communication outreach work. So if you know someone would be great. But we will send more comms about this after we have to charter up or slowly before carries carries in the lead to tech lead. And so probably she will send comms about that. And then one thing which I forgot to put on the slides is an area which is kind of important to beneath his environment sustainability. In our efforts, this is kind of not covered that well. I mean, it's part of the landscape document. But it would be great. It's what like one goal of us that we maybe write a white paper about and communities and environment sustainability at some point, maybe end of the year or when we have to set up right folks engage and so on. So in the next week, we will reach out to folks and probably join some communities sick meetings. Sounds excellent Leo and a good activity to track on your roadmap for tag environmental sustainability. That's true. Any questions for tag environmental sustainability. All right, next slide. I contributed strategy. Howdy, I'm going to do a little tag teaming here. For the first part, just a quick roundup on progress of things for mentoring LFX is going to have term three for the year starting tomorrow actually. So, if you're involved with any projects that might that have mentorship projects, etc. be aware of those deadlines for governance. We've continued on the governance, the currently in development government reviews. We did flat car according to the draft template and we're changing some of the template. Materials details, at which point we can actually submit that for approval by the TOC. After that the next step is to actually work on a self assessment guide. The same as the security assessment. So projects can actually hopefully assess their own progress before it comes to a formal review. Moving on which is again sort of combined governance and contributor strategy thing is a document on how to have a public roadmap and how to use the public roadmap as a way to recruit contributors. That led to some work on our own roadmap. And Rian has been hard at work and has gotten all of our open issues into the project board for tag contributor strategy. And then we're in the process of going through those, removing the ones that are no longer relevant, assigning ones that are the, but it's actually pretty good shape right now so overall if you want to know what tag contributor strategy is working on, you can look at the project board. We also held Dave ran a June maintainer circle on creating roles in your project facility by Paris Pittman about creating contributor roles in the recruitment tool. But the exciting thing is that we have some new initiatives. And so I want to turn this over to Catherine. So, I mean, we mentioned that already last time but a lot has happened since then. So we do have a deaf and hard of hearing working group. And we have 17 members already, most of them, which kind of joined in the last few weeks, due to our social media campaign and someone telling someone else and so on. And so we do have that little doc where we kind of capture why people are joining and who they are and I invite everyone to check it out it's really nice and see to see like all these different backgrounds and what motivates people to join. And at least gives me more energy to kind of continue this work. We had our very first official meeting last week. Our current focus is coordinate like continue a coordinated social media campaign so we get more people. Not everyone will be able to contribute we just want to have a place where we can reach as many deaf and hard of hearing people in our community so for instance if people want to go to cube con or something we can organize a little bit so we need people who work, but we also need people who just joined the channel so we can reach them and maybe ask feedback for things so not everyone needs to contribute. And we're also starting to organize or work right like seeing like what do we want to work on and so on. And we did have like our very first media appearance even before our first meeting which is amazing so thanks to the CNCF PR team that got one of our members spot on CNBC to talking about the importance of accessibility. And then another working group which is just in the forming. So we are working on a higher at working group which will be completely faculty led right so we have one professor, a length and white from Boston University who is the first lead on this initiative and the goal is basically to create a cloud native curriculum that is open source that anyone can access, and also providing a platform for professors around the world to connect, maybe collaborate, also mentor each other, you know like maybe there are like some universities that are much further along have more resources and then they could collaborate with universities that have less resources and kind of mentor them on how teaching those skills.  And so there is already a solid program outlines and has done a lot of work so if you I think the higher ed is linked to that issue you can see that it's yeah very great like the whole idea is really good and very thought through so check it out. And right now the current focus is really recruiting faculty members from different universities and universities around the world so we're also doing a some social media campaign there because that's like how it's the easiest to reach people so look out for those and please share because you may have faculty in your network, even if you don't know it and same thing with the deaf and hard of hearing we're continuing to do that. Thank you so much. Fantastic. Any questions. I'm not very brief. Catherine there is. There's a cloud native playground that's been part of the one of the working groups in tag network that is intended to be used for a few different things but one of them is as a training platform for people who are learning kubernetes not just kubernetes but any of the projects. And so I wonder if that would be of help to this initiative to the higher ed working group so I'll go mention it maybe point out some details about it. If you could like maybe just share the link. So there's just the concept and then we need to start creating but again we don't need to reinvent the wheel there are lots of resources out there and just like maybe taking things here and there and then building that curriculum that makes sense for academia but like information is out there so if you can share the link I'll share that in the channel thank you. Yeah. Catherine thank you again for going through these work groups pretty exciting on the higher ed work group again. It's great to see Langdon rights work in you know in kind of charting out the curriculum initially but I'm also curious about whether, you know, given that there has been a lot of effort with open source, you know initiatives for learning and just introducing different programming languages as well as other projects you know in in the past into universities, if the this work group will intersect and leverage some of those because you know typically large projects like those are Linux distributions, or, you know, other Apache core projects have had education initiatives, you know, with the universities of writing, or collaborating with them on in this new generation of technologies and open source might be a useful thing, because again reinventing the same efforts you know in every in silos doesn't help. Yeah, well the idea is like we have some one professor joined as well and then who has already a curriculum right and yes, I'll donate that and it's like, well that's a great work start right. The more people collaborate and build it the better it will be so it's like yeah let's start with that and then like, I mean like the more people who have already done their own curriculum out there, and join us and then we can make like the take the best out of it and create so that's ideal right So, and also I think there are other initiatives there is an AI or something data one that is also from the Linux Foundation that I saw where there is so this has been happening so it's not the first. So, the idea is like, once we have like a solid group of faculty members is like reaching out to these groups and maybe ask them like their experience and advice and we definitely don't want to be doing this as a silo. So, repurposing everything that's out there for sure and then also learning from other groups who have done this before and so we can don't do the same pitfall so we learn from there to know so definitely something we want to do. But I mean I think maybe this the MCF can help there in terms of just you know, getting the word out because I think that that's the first step to folks just you know getting more involved. Yeah, first we need to find the group right like we need to find we have someone else as well and it's like, but that's not enough and we want as well to be sure we don't have like five professors from the United States right we want to have some people in Europe and northern America and Latin America and Asia so we want to have like a very diverse group of individuals working on this. So that's very important. Yes. Excellent. So, any other questions for higher education and tag contributor strategy just drop them over in their Slack channel. We've got one more tag and four minutes. Tag after delivery apologies for the shorter time frame today. Anyone from tag up delivery on the call. We might not have anybody day. Okay. I know there's still a. So the chair elections, I know one went out for a tech lead but the chair elections are still. We're still waiting for people to confirm. I believe, because I know Josh is up for a chair. And others so I'm not sure where that's at. Again, I wasn't prepared to speak about this so. Hey, thanks. We have the working group the working the platforms working group has been really active. And there was another working group meeting last Thursday. So please go review the working group notes. And please join the platform working group. I don't have an update on the artifacts. Okay. Well, I'll be prepared next time in case one of them don't show up. So. That's the update. No worries. I have questions for tag app delivery. Go ahead and drop them over in the tag app delivery channel. And Justin had just posted in chat that he's working on the loose ends for chair elections. Real quick on projects applying to move levels. Apologies that this content is not recently up to date. And it looks like there's a few things that were inaccurate. Or placed in the wrong area. But what we're working on it within the TOC is providing better transparency for our project board. So there is an incubating and it graduated. Moving levels project board and I'm currently working through. Identifying state changes and statuses for all of the TOC issues and PRs that we have and all the work that we have before us to include a calendar so that folks understand. Where the TOC's work is currently being distributed or focused throughout the year. So stay tuned for more changes on that in the next couple of weeks. TOC members with content on screen or not reflected here. That are sponsoring projects. Do you all have any updates? I can talk about both of them like they're not going to use it and I just need to take another pass of the new divisions. And they should be moving to TOC internal review soon. So if there are no blockers, then we might also like after the internal reviews, we might move to public comments soon. Anyone else. So for the crowd party, it's not put here. It's already done. Well, graduation. And also there's another party for crowd events, which is also not here. Yeah, it's just started. Yeah, I'm the TLC sponsor for that. Right then. Any questions? Fabulous. Real quick on the update for a sandbox annual reviews, you should receiving an email notification today on next steps for the TOC. I'll also post it in the tag chairs channel. We've tried to keep it super simple. But we're fully expecting that after this first go around, we'll have quite a few changes and then we'll formalize the new process with the PR to the TOC repo. So please. Stay tuned for more. Thanks everyone. Thank you.