What's going on guys got Kyle here with laden sports cards? We are ripping 2022 2023 upper deck extended series hockey. This is hobby six box number four random teams Did a randomizer before the break? I'll show it again here You can always check out the results of these randoms on our website laden sports cards down at the very bottom Have a results tab, so it will be the most recent one on the results tab Good luck here guys upper deck extended series six box number four see some young guns Some French variations. Oh, it's a sticker. Oh My goodness. That was a that was a rookie I'm supposed to rip that box in half, dude. Oh, I can teach you how to do that. Oh, yeah, that's my specialty archives Donnie Arcaze Forgot about Donnie archives. Yeah. Oh Yes, an upper deck pack that opens easily no way All right guys the the event base will ship separately, so we got first young gun here Brian Wells The vet base will be sorted. I should say Individually so you will not get all your team that base. We'll do we'll pick out all the rookies And we'll pick out all the young guns and everything good Sit it back down Basically man basically I'm getting I'm getting relegated There's a rookie gyms Jack Quinn nice one there at a black diamond for the Sabres there's Jack Hughes and Quinn Hughes, and then there's Jack Quinn kind of a kind of funny Kyle acid Three hours in the big leagues I got a bunch of homers hit off They were roping it off me man There's a marchesaw We have canvas Victor Olives in there for the Sabres on the canvas Insert yeah, and then Um Most of the time Steve will have a little bit of room for personal tonight after group breaks But for main main personal nights. Yeah, they'll mostly be on channel 2 Steve Just personal nights. I should say but we'll have a couple here at the end of the night Here is UD canvas John quick for the Kings At least it's I think all the inserts and stuff are right in the middle. Yeah, so I don't gotta pretty much I don't got a search for rookies and stuff There's a young guns Frederick Oliphson that one's gonna go to the stars on the young guns Alrighty guys 12 left on that bowman sapphire 2022 bowman chrome sapphire chasing some Jackson shurio in there Definitely some fun ones in there. I miss something here. No, no, that guy's just French That guy's name is just French He's back there. Oh, I think that's a French variation. I know is he's just got a French name. All right We've got smooth grooves. That's gonna be Carter Hart for the Flyers If you force as is me, I don't I don't think so. I don't see it I don't see it first time see him show me I don't see it There's a blue Dazzlers ever Jocosh for the Canadians Yeah, Marchesaw for sure the Vegas had a really good playoffs man. There's a Thompson Tage Thompson there on the It's like a puzzle card there the middle point of the puzzle card for the bill. Yeah, the savers Yeah, it's like three of them. You put them together. I like that Thanks, Randy. Well, I'm gonna be talking about me or the hockey player, but I'll take credit Got a Sam Reiner black diamond there for the Panthers There's a UD canvas of Burakowski for the Kraken Release the Kraken Excuse me, Joe Is that a question? Oh, that's a French variation there. That is Trent Frederick for the Bruins. That is where it says That's small dude There's minuscule of the keep an eye on that say David posture knock insert pasta We've got a Dazzlers blue Mitch Marner for the blue leaf maybe beliefs the blue leaves They are a little castle Technically, they're white on the jersey, but say Connor Hellebuck insert. There's a extended series checklist suppose we'll Oh, yeah for these. No, so it's just a random or this is the one that gets so yeah Usually we'll start you can roll a dice to see which way we start and then the next time we pull that card It's just the other team that didn't get okay So we'll roll one dice for this guys on what we're alternating so one through three on the dice We'll get the left side Four through six we'll get the right side and we'll alternate if we get another one of these so Got six gonna go right side on the first one to the Panthers So keep an eye out for those. Oh, it's a wild. Yeah wilds the mustard cats and the Panthers Hmm They're both cats, but there's a number one draft Dylan goonther on the insert draft insert That was a Panthers before the Predators Predators Predators. That's what that's yeah, that's what it is. That's what I meant to say I don't know why I was thinking wild There's a UD canvas Dylan Strom caps There's a die-cut Maddie Baneers nice one there for the Kraken on the rookie die-cut. Those are sweet looking cards there I've been writing wild tonight's die-cut Baneers That's right big confusing for me. Well, that was an interesting pack there There's a another draft insert of Marco Rossi for the while Atlanta Thrasher's Now we're talking tok first Sam Vasilevsky all-star. We've got a insert young guns of That is Caden ghoul ghoulie something like that on the young guns there for the Canadians Something like that. That's how we that's how we get through this Something like that It's a name Donnie in the stash add it again There is a VTech Vanna check there for the Devils on the insert David Crikey. We have another checklist here. This one's going left this time Panthers We have diamond dominance this one's going to be March is so I think I don't know champ Chandler Stevenson Yeah, Chandler Stevenson on the insert there. There's a lot of words that were not on names There's a Mac hollow out on the young guns. Yeah, there's like a lot going on the back of that card I couldn't find the name. I was the same way There's a young gun for prior Kachatev Prior coach to coach a cough For the Cane's there Kachet cough, maybe Sounds like something force has said before right? Yeah, that's what I try to go for just something that sounds like something I've heard there's a nice man bully boldy on the hollow GX nice one there for the while All right guys box two will go a little quicker on this one. I was just trying to Get my feet under me there. I haven't opened one of these before so Oh, it's it's tate. It's tate Yeah, you go straight to it. Yeah, I do that a lot for like leaf stuff that has Just pretend it's a leaf We need I will I didn't even know that how I didn't know that uh Calgary was in Atlanta originally that's interesting There's a canvas sunny Milano capitals. I feel like I've heard a winner fling. There's a another checklist there this time It's going right Panthers or predators. Yeah, so guys will alternate those each time between the predators and the Those on their panthers. Yeah predators and the Panthers will alternate those confusing We've got a posture knock this time it is a silver foil number two 100 nice one there Bruins on the posture knock to 100 700 nice pasta We'll take that and we've got a hollow GX of Jonathan Bergeron On the hollow gold this time. This is Mika Zabinajad for For the Rangers on the history class, I was trying to figure out what the name of that card was history class You drop the link for yeah chrome again Guys still trying to fill bowman chrome 2022 bowman chrome sapphire full case coming up next We have a rookie die cut this one is Schneider Schneider for the Rangers number to 250 nice low numbered Die cut there on the rookie and a young guns of Anton Levitchie There's a young gun that is Dylan Holloway. That is very hard to read that foil over there. I'm just gonna turn him around It's like that bronze foil James Bond with that double a seven. I like that chaos. I like that The James Bond 101 we have draft class of Kent Johnson for the blue jackets There's Andre Vasilevski on the insert nine to go left on that next one guys it is 2022 bowman's chrome sapphire We have rookie Jim's Lucas Reichel on the black diamond for the Hawks There's a Jason Robertson nice black diamond there for the stars. Um, it should be um, this is 22 extended series His first young gun will be 23 23 hockey so upper deck 23 Will be the one you want hasn't come out yet for his cards. There's a Maddie Baneers on the draft class So Baddard isn't in these upper deck cards just yet But he will be on the 2023 upper deck base series one. I know a lot of people are gonna be chasing Baddard man. He is a He's supposed to be the truth got a UV canvas there of Vincent Trocek for the Rangers Joe Pavowski all-star. Yeah, of course D rock There's a French variation of Igor Chinakoff for the blue jackets there on the French There's a Dazzlers Marcus Bjork for the blue jackets dog goes Bjork Marcus Bjork there blue Dazzlers There's a UD canvas of Yanni Gord Go lightning on the Yanni Gord. They stole him on the when they became a new team They had like a draft base that you could take like players from other teams Yeah, and he was the one they got from the lightning There's a young guns of Simon Holdstrom Expansion draft probably when they do that those are no soccer MLS does it all the time because they have new teams like every couple of years feels like there's a Troy Terry there for the Ducks There is Matt Bouldie on the draft pick there for the wild nice Bouldie. There's me Jacob Middleton, I told force I was gonna put them on a thumbnail. I'm just surprised But I couldn't remember his name. I couldn't find him So I already submitted the Do a different one for this I'm guessing yeah different one. All right, so we're rolling other guys actually I think whatever we start with the first and we start with all right So we're gonna start with the right on this one guys blue jackets We already rolled and it was a six, so we'll start with the right and then we'll alternate if we get another one of these Flames look at the next one. There's a smooth grooves Brandon Clark or Brains Clark. Sorry Brains Clark smooth grooves for the Kings Hey, good to me. You got me got me ripping some hockey finally There's a canvas Evan Rodriguez Blanche. Oh, is he the rock nice? Yeah, I haven't really paid too much attention to this rookie class Um, I know they already played a full season, but There's a Jason Robertson on the puzzle piece insert there for the stars Nice Robertson Yeah, see me. That's gonna be fun looking for some kabooms on that revolution WWE I know Wahoos is probably gonna be getting in there. I think he was looking for some of that WWE There is Rangers that's gonna be Chris Crichter on the insert Dicut insert SP X insert Chris Crichter Rangers Yeah, it's always fun having Matt rip some wrestling too because he's a he's quite a wealth of knowledge He knows a lot about the wrestling there was young guns Tyler Tucker being a former wrestler himself Sebastian Aho for the Canes on the throwback. All right box three guys extended series hockey got 2022 Sapphire next. Oh man, I was gonna forget for sure Donnie's got me guys Good lord, we gotta ingrain it in the chat so they know Did it to myself did it to myself. Oh, Lane did it to us. So true We didn't have a say in the matter We just have to accept it and there's a checklist there that one is going to the uh flames this time on the left We've got Ilya Sorokin for the Rangers there on the foil There's a uh draft pick insert Oscar Olson for the uh avalanche Rain again Florida There's a young guns of Samuel Erson Flyers There's a young guns canvas tim bernie. That's going to go to the blue jackets there columbus on the canvas young guns nix tazuki romanov Pritzav we got a patrice bergeron on the foil is a spx rookie chris uh schneider Oh brain and schneider brain and schneider goodness Like they got the name up here. They got the last name here. It's very confusing spx a brain and schneider rookie for the uh rangers Trying to throw me off on some of these cards. They ain't gonna do it Just at first Just at first I'll get them. I'll get them There's a red alex ovechkin nice one there on the history class. That's going to be for the uh capitals So you used to see any cards there to take yeah Oh There is simmy cross v on the black diamond insert nice one penguins That's in the right michael bush michael bush there you go That's who this person got ud canvas of kevin haze for uh flyers I couldn't believe how lopsided that game uh was a game five of the NHL finals was nine to three. Yeah, they had six minutes of open goal.  Ooh nice one here another one number two 100 It is seven of 100 matt murray on the ud exclusives for the blue jackets or sorry maple leaves maple leaves there to 100 And a young guns of nick desimone for the flames Biz we got a full case uh 22 bow and chrome sapphire coming up next Yes, 22 bow and chrome sapphire baseball next There's a young guns of parker weather spoon um islanders There's a young guns matt boldie nice one there on the um Variation young gun ain't go wild on the boldie There's a french variation jason zucker that one's going to the penguins jason zucker variation Yeah, florida definitely ran out of gas. I mean it didn't help that um What's his name couldn't play the last game kichuk? He was basically holding on by a thread the game before that There's a rookie gyms dylan halloween going to the islanders. Sorry oilers oilers same color scheme I was hearing like he had to like be helped just like yeah, so I heard on pat back Yeah, yeah, I see They're uh, they'd like basically push them on the ice. Yeah There's a upper deck canvas there of ekblad or Yeah, ekblad panthers. I think it was ekbald, but kind of did kind of did Ekbald There's a dominik kuba leak for um blue uh red wings There is samuel poolin for the penguins on the draft insert Chuck had a broken sternum. That's what it was Good lord. I don't think you should play hockey with a broken sternum Dude, they play through anything good lord There's a uh ud canvas of phil castle. There we go golden knights The champion phil castle Tony Had to get help to get dressed. How are you possibly didn't he score in that game five two or game four? Probably the one before um, he couldn't play There is shane right on the draft insert that is insane man a broken sternum and you're still You're still playing hockey It's a hockey guy right There's smooth grooves. Um, it's gonna be matias mckelly for the uh What are they the uh coyotes there you go, uh, what's within this one now, uh, gonna go Predators on this one to the right Okay, there's oh panthers. We have predators last I saw the pee I didn't even Know those are those are those are too close We got a minnesota. Wow. That's gonna be um karoka pritzoff on the uh, the whatever you call these the puzzle piece card Get all three of them make a little Make a big puzzle Here we go, uh Sabers clear dominance. That's tage thompson numbered 18 out of 25 Very nice one there. We'll mag this one for you sabers To 25 on the thompson. That's a sick one there, man clear dominance insert Very cool one there. We'll mag that for the panthers or for the uh sabers. Sorry We're getting our teams all mixed up That's what'll be happening There's a nixizuki Canadians Geeky like that last name Eckblad suffered two separate shoulder dislocations a torn oblique and a broken foot and he played Yeah, good lord. There's a dazzlers karoka pritzoff for the uh, wow Well, he does man. That's insane, man All right guys box four here. Good luck. Good luck. Oh, you don't remember Didn't remember I didn't remember what you were telling me that I didn't remember so that's It's a bad start or you got two more boxes. Alrighty guys. Let's keep it going. We're gonna remember here Probably not. Yeah Just so used to not having to do that. There's upper deck canvas sam reiner Panthers Yeah, if I had any one of those four injuries, I'm out months there's a karel, uh march Marchenko young guns there for the blue jackets Months I'm out I guess a broken foot they uh, I guess the skates are kind of tight. You can just shove it in there It's gonna hurt. There's a ud canvas of cam talbot senators Yeah, but two separate shoulders like how you even how you passing the puck and all that figure it out Pretty much There's a ud diamond there of Hoppus linholm. It's gonna be for the Bruins linholm Oh boy Can't avoid him Jacob middleton You should pc that guy. I'm about to there's a french variation young gun nikita alexander off alexander off for the blues There's a dazzler's blue of isamont for the jets Broke your foot trying to cut too hard knowing it tells you yeah snowballs that definitely happens, man Some of those non-contact injuries can be just as bad as uh contact injuries for sure There's a uh flames and blue jackets on the checklist will go with the blue jackets that time Like I said guys will be alternating those uh Those checklists starting on the right So if you guys have one of those two teams, um, you'll be getting at least a couple of those Got a david jerrickie. Um, blue, uh, blue jackets there rookie Gustafson There is austin matthews on the black diamond for the blue jackets Or no maple leafs maple leafs You seem blue. I know man. There's so many blue teams So many blue teams UD cameras there that's travis boyd coyotes So essentially every sport has two main blue teams because like She asked me There's austin matthews for the maple leafs We're your hockey player snowball So we were talking about with the uh a foot injury at a rookie gyms, uh braden schneider Um for the rangers. Honestly, never, uh, I only know a couple hockey players down here There's like one spot to play in ralando pretty much. So Not too many kids when I was growing up were trying to play hockey I do know a couple kids that uh did play though there's a itu, uh makadnyemi on the uh Sharks there for the young guns Got another checklist here. This one's going to the uh predators Oh, it's on a football field. I got you snowballs Here's a ud canvas steven stamp coast nice one there for the lightning go lightning The canvas stamp coast Yeah, I know they're um Their ownership's definitely uh, not the best. There's a braden schneider there draft uh insert I think you're my is that here. Yeah, right There's a smooth grooves. Wyatt johnson for the stars This little die cut there Or um acetate how many left on the bowman even still Got smooth grooves of braden point for the lightning Still eight left guys on the 2022 bowman chrome sapphire full case coming up next 10 boxes of sapphire Chase some jackson shurio out of there Oh come on March or so all stars. There's a caprice. There's another piece of the puzzle um for the wild Or eight to go eight to go on the next one Let's keep it moving guys 175 per spot on those Got to be some good potential in that There's a awesomen Matthews for the uh maple leafs on the uh puzzle car carter for hagi panthers a matthew bars all Islanders on the insert Everyone's looking to get in the basketball night. We got two more spots left one in both the picker team optics both lakers Both lakers technically have like a full case of lakers. Yeah, both Two half cases guys um like Donnie was saying if you buy the lakers in both you'll get the full case So they are the last two teams for basketball tonight Um nick c-sec there on the young guns for the sharks Tri-side. Oh, we've got a canvas there of logan couture sharks Sapphire Correct robert that is next We get that one going uh 2022 bowman um sapphire and then we have 2022 tops chrome sapphire as well chasing some rookies Um from this year's class got a tim bernie young guns Thorough and those sapphire does all get top loaded Two left guys two boxes left. Good luck. Yes. That's why It's gonna round pop cops Yeah tiger fist pump on that one dude Just watch the walk it watch the roll right in the hole. I'm gonna go change into a red uh Get a red polo. Get a red polo Okay I bet you do I definitely do got the tiger uh I got a tiger off this tiger sundae There's a young guns for the uh predators you so um parsonin This is number 200 gonna be shane right on the diamond rookie Nice one there diamond dominance green to 100 nice one kraken 32 of 100 On the shane right rookie to 100. There we go There's a french variation justin schultz kraken as well. Got the fish in his hand I like that They just throw fishes on the ice. Is that a thing in uh seattle? Yes, sir So no like to have that uh that one market where they're always throwing fish in seattle, there's a uh Galavass on the blackhawks dazzlers Detroit did it with the octopuses. There's a uh checklist there This one's going to the panthers this time. That didn't make any sense to me, but What Octopuses The octopi you gotta go into a into the game with octopus in your pants, dude. Is that what There's a ud canvas all of her borke strand He's also got a fish in his hand for the kraken that one is the um black and white canvas A couple guys got fishes in their hands They just have a fish on like the bench where they're just like hey fish Yeah, I guess Or people just throw them a lot. So they're always got them around. There's a vladimir terracenco blues All right guys still seven left now on the bowman chrome sapphire edition coming up next getting older There's a young guns of tyler tucker Matthew could chuck for the uh panthers or could stern them Pretty ridiculous There's a draft kent johnson um blue jackets Here's rookie gyms, uh david jurichek for the blue jackets there, uh black diamond insert jesson schultz holding this fish still Love that fish Got a ud canvas of no adoptson islanders morgan geeky Just four football uh spots left tonight too guys. Yeah four total football and two total, um basketball spots left for tonight guys just the lakers and Um donner's optic We have a rookie here. That is caden ghoul Our gully for the uh canadiens not numbered on the die cut spx insert Air is ud canvas bohorvat Down to seven guys. You're definitely moving now seven left on bowman chrome, uh 2022 sapphire coming up next That is connor hella buck on the history class for the jets So check let's there again full case one Full case one because I didn't wasn't holding shift Oh Got a one on there ud canvas of howie marins.  Um, we got a young guns number two 100. This one is going to be elmer Soderblom For the red wings nice one there on the numbered young guns 91 of 100 Go red wings nice hit there Numbered young guns and we got a young guns base behind it of callahan berke by hand berke sounds like a law firm Does the law firm of callahan berke? Not as big as uh morgan and morgan though. No They have too many morgans There are too many morgans got a smooth grooves alexander barkoff on the insert. Have you seen his uh, the poster on the highway? He's in the spacesuit and it says the biggest law firm in the universe. He's in like a full spacesuit. It kills me, dude John morgan cracks me up There's a young guns insert there as well. It's going to be uh, yiraj slapos Slapovsky slap kovsky Something like that canadians Uh close there. I think I think we're close There's an owen power for the sabers there on the puzzle. Nice one there. Who was the first pick? Slavsky slavsky. Is that what you were talking about? There is a miko ransen in on the uh black diamond there colorado There's a kurokapritz off on the uh foil Ud canvas that is adrian kemp for the kings There's a matt boldy. Nice one there on the uh draft picks insert Matt boldy for the wild hit pack here some extra cards in this one Got ud canvas here jonathan tapes um for the black hawks And one box left guys. Good luck on this one. This is uh ud extended series six box break number four random teams got um bowman chrome sapphire coming up next guys bowman chrome sapphire Has seven left still seven left in that one Oh, you forgot about it again You're so close You had like a lot of emails Roger grabbing the lakers in one of those appreciate you sir Let's finish up this upper deck. You're going on bowman chrome sapphire next Oh, yeah, optic is sold out. Nice Optic is sold out guys basketball is sold out We're gonna a couple spots on um football and then just the baseball got jordan um kairu for the blues There's a draft insert braden schneider rangers There's a ud canvas of ryan strome ducks Seven to go guys 2022 bowman um chrome sapphire looking for autos looking for jackson cheerio in there as well Um some other big names. Um, there's a french variation of gay ballardy for the kings There's a dazzlers of braden pascal for the um lightning or sorry the uh Golden knights phil kesel. There's a trevor zegras on the foil No checklist here this time it is going to the predators on the checklist That one's come out a lot more than the other one. Yeah, this one is pretty common There's a young guns of james hamplin for the uh oilers There's for buffalo owen power nice one sabers on the puzzle card owen power Got johnny goudreau foil a lot of cars in six boxes of these there really is There's a ud canvas there of um vile huso for the red wings canvas They dropped insert brant clark kings There's a ud canvas jacob truba rangers There's another die cut this one's going to be jack quinn on the spx die cut there not numbered That's going to go to buffalo There's a young guns uh dual there checklist of jonathan bergeron and apontas holmberg Um, I'll do another dice for this one since it's different than the other checklist Um one two three on the left and four five six will go to the right It is four. We'll go to the right on that one. That'll be um maple leafs on the dual young guns holmgren We do see another one of those we will um We will alternate it But that was the first one so we're gonna we did roll the dice again Hey, thanks matt for becoming a member appreciate you, sir There's a foil of mark shifley jets There is history class connor mcdavid nice one there for the oilers mcjesus There's a young gun of john lucfowdy avalanche Uh, I'm not going to do a recap on this one guys Um, no autos really so not too much to recap. So we'll just uh get going to the next one here It is 2022 bowman chrome sapphire. We got next Trying to fill some spots still in that we got a jordan to cry you on the black diamond blues Uh, yeah matt, we'll have a little bit of time for personals. We're scheduled kind of late tonight So we'll have just a little bit of time. Um, I can check after this break how much time we have Oh, nice young guns variation here. That's going to be maddie baneers nice hit for the e kraken On the variation young gun Nice baneers there There's a ud canvas of coal perfetti jets A couple packs left guys when getting going to uh 2022 bowman chrome sapphire There's a jack quinn draft got tate thompson on the uh puzzle card here for the sabers jacob middleton two packs left I got you matt. Um, yeah, let me check and make sure that you're going to be going tonight I'm sure I'm pretty sure you will though. I didn't see too many when I first came in here. So There is a rookie gyms maddie baneers on the black diamonds there. Nice one for uh kraken again And last pack It is another clear dominance this time. It is a base for tage thompson Had the uh to 25 for the tage now we have the uh clear base Nice one sabers Sabers seem like a pretty decent team to get in this one too. They got own power Definitely seems solid Alrighty guys that does do it for 2022 2023 upper deck extended series hockey six box break number four Um, we will get 2022 bum chrome going right away


At least two indigenous protesters have been killed in the ongoing anti-government protests in Ecuador. The second death was reported on June 22nd. A member of the Kishwa indigenous group died while participating in a roadblock. According to a lawyer with the Alliance for Human Rights Organization, the man was hit in the face apparently with a tear gas bomb. Since June 13th hundreds of thousands of Ecuadorians have been mobilizing across the country as a part of an indefinite national strike against the right-wing government of President Guillahermo Lasso. Since then, protesters have faced widespread repression and violence by the security forces of the country. Hundreds of people have been injured and at least 79 have been detained. Ecuadorians are mobilizing against the Lasso government's anti-people economic policies. The strike was called for by various indigenous peasant and social organizations with a set of 10 demands that address the most urgent needs of the majority of Ecuador's population. These include freezing fuel prices, adopting an agricultural subsidy, greater budget for public education and health, and not signing free trade agreements that destroy national production. So, at this point, you and us are concerned about production. To guarantee production, the 10 points must be answered. If not, you guarantee the rate of profit, which is your greatest concern, and that crisis that generates that rate of profit, as in the issue of the financial system, 123% have won. Stop winning a moment, and we are also concerned, in this case, about the pocket of the poorest we are producing. The government has not done a good job of public policy to solve the different difficulties that complain to us as a country, that complain to us as a society. And in that respect, we are also against the high cost of life, which has been the expression of the incapacity, of the indolence of the neoliberal government of Lazo. On Saturday, June 18, President Lazo declared a state of emergency in the Pichincha, Cotopaxi and Imbabura provinces, where protests had been the strongest. He increased the military presence in these provinces and suspended various constitutional rights. Nevertheless, defying the state of emergency and enduring brutal police and military repression, hundreds of thousands continue to remain on the streets against neoliberalism. The Confederation of Indigenous Nationalities of Ecuador, or CONEI, one of the main organizers of the strike, has declared that the strike will continue until the demands are accepted. According to CONEI, Indigenous communities have been maintaining roadblocks in at least 16 of the 24 provinces of the country since last Monday. On the eighth day of the strike, CONEI reported that Indigenous people from all parts of the country had been arriving in Quito to press for their demands. CONEI said in a statement, In a state of law and democracy, human rights are not violated, nor is violence, police and military repression legitimized. In the rule of law, the right to protest is guaranteed. The opposition sectors in Ecuador have slammed the Lazo government for resorting to repression and violence instead of dialogue to deal with the situation. The opposition-controlled national assembly has passed a resolution urging the government to dialogue with the Indigenous organizations and other sectors. The Congress also called on international organizations, such as the UN, the Red Cross and the Catholic Church, to attend the negotiations and propose mechanisms to solve the crisis.


Hi everyone, my name is Andrew Lyons. I'm a senior developer and integrator and Architect at Moodle HKE. This is TinyMCE6, which we are hoping to include for Moodle 4.1 It is pretty much ready and we'll be submitting its integration sometime during this week It has near feature parity with Ato, which is our current default editor in Moodle and it adds a few additional features As standard and out of the box we get all of the standard features of TinyMCE, so we can do things like showing box and invisible features We have a full screen mode, which is a lot nicer to use than what we have available in Ato for example We have the ability to insert all sorts of nice bits and pieces including code samples Lots of formatting options including color and blocks, as well as word count, source code, all the standard things and a really nice table editor as well We also have our own internal plugins, so for example we have our HITC content editor We have our image and media tooling for inserting the various types of media We also have RecordRTC, which we've improved slightly over the version that's in Ato And then a few other little bits and pieces, we have an accessibility checker, which is again already in Ato And we have our media manager, which has been slightly better surfaced into the tools menu So that's going to be available in Moodle 4.1 We are also hoping to make it available in the plugins database for older versions of Moodle, but that is yet to be confirmed Because we haven't double checked that all of the features will be available But we expect that to be available for Moodle 3.11 and Moodle 4.0 That's mainly to encourage plugin developers to update their plugins to work for TinyMCE And if there's more versions that this editor will be available for We're hoping that it will encourage them to make their plugins available for more versions as well We will hopefully be making this the default editor for Moodle 4.2 onwards And we will also be looking to remove Ato and TinyMCE 3, which is still in Moodle And has been untouched for many years We do have pretty much all of the same features, otherwise that are currently in Ato So things like the emojis are in there, although we no longer have the Martin emoji Visible, it does still work, but it's no longer visible, which I believe is an intended feature Oh, sorry, one more question. Can people still write plugins easily? Yes, yes, very much so. So all of the things we've done are plugins And we are going to be, my task for the next week is going to be documenting the plugin API And because we're presenting that to the community developer meeting on the 18th of October And giving the community more information on how they can do that themselves


Coming up on DTNS, Apple fires another employee involved with protesting the company. Tesla sells you health insurance if you let its car monitor your driving. And no, right clicking is not a crime. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, October 15th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane from Studio Colorado. I'm Shannon Morse, drawn the top tech stories from Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta and I'm Roger Chang. The show's producer. We were just talking about distilleries and wineries and brandy and whiskey and all kinds of good stuff on good day internet. You can get that conversation by becoming a member at patreon.com slash DTNS. That is where you can join our top patrons like Steve Ayadarola, Dan Colbeck and Jeffrey Zilx. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple has hired a Fruz family as its new home pod software head family worked for Apple between 2012 and 2016 on the original home pod team before co-founding high end audio startup Sing that sing with a Y with former Apple designer Christopher Stringer. Apple's previous home pod software head Jason Harrison left Apple to work for Airbnb last year. Clubhouse added a music mode, providing a set of tools to optimize sound quality and directly connect to audio devices for live performances in the app. The feature will roll out first to iOS users and then come to Android. Twitch posted on its website following a massive data breach last week that quote, Twitch passwords have not been exposed and quote, we are also confident that systems that store Twitch login credentials, which are hashed with B crypt were not accessed nor will were full credit card numbers or ACH bank information and quote, which claims that the information exposed only affected a small fraction of users and customer impact is minimal and that the company is also informing those who were affected. Yeah, unless it was your Twitch earnings, then it might not be minimal. Nintendo will launch its Nintendo Switch online plus expansion pack subscription tier on October 25th. That will include access to Nintendo 64 and Sega Genesis games as well as new paid animal crossing new horizons, happy home paradise downloadable content. It'll cost $50 a year for individuals, 80 bucks for families. And Nintendo is also releasing wireless Nintendo 64 and Genesis controllers. If you want to get the full experience while you play those titles for 50 bucks each, although they will not be required. You could it's just if you want to use them to play the retro titles. Chrome is Chrome Google is not really not Chrome OS 94. The final update before Google switches to a four week update cycle for Chrome. This update includes a variety of things, including enhanced voices for the select to speak feature on Chromebooks in various accents in 25 language initially with more to roll out in the coming months. All right, let's talk a little more about what's going on at Apple. Shannon, tell us about it. Sure. At the end of August, about 15 Apple employees began organizing under the name Apple to to collect stories of workers who have experienced harassment and discrimination. Senior engineer, her name is Ashley Jovic began tweeting allegations of harassment, surveillance and workplace safety issues over at Apple. She raised concerns internally about privacy and harassment, and she was placed on internal leave at her request in August while the allegations were investigated. She then filed complaints with the U.S. National Labor Relations Board the week of September 2nd. And on September 9th, Apple contacted her to discuss an intellectual property issue after which she was fired. And now Friday, October 15th, Apple has fired one of the leaders of the Apple to movement, the Apple Maps program manager. Her name is Yannica Parish for deleting files off of her work devices during an internal investigation. Now, the verges sources say the files included apps like Robin Hood, Pokemon Go and Google Drive. The other leader of Apple to share Scarlett is currently on paid medical leave. So what in the world is going on with Apple? Yeah, we don't always cover these kinds of stories because they tend to be labor stories or business stories. They don't necessarily affect your use of technology, but this is starting to look like a pattern which could affect Apple and could affect your use of technology and and is just significant enough to to look at and say, OK, sure. When people complain, they sometimes don't have an axe to grind. We're not trying to disbelieve victims, but there could be a situation. One could imagine a situation where they cause harm and do have to be let go. This is this is not looking like it fits squarely into that that type of situation. What do you what do you all think of this? This is this is a tough one and I think part of it is that Apple, although it's a different company than it was five years ago, but is notoriously very secretive about, you know, the conditions under which people work there and what they're doing day to day and, you know, NDA is all across the board type thing. I have been following some of the public folks involved with the Apple to movement enough to know, at least from their perspective, individuals perspective, that workplace situation, workplace environments at the company are subpar and they, again, if if these are to be believed are really good arguments to say just that Apple. I don't I don't know how much Apple can kind of lean on like, well, if you don't like it, just leave type thing, because I think that that's sort of been Apple's M.O. for a while because it's Apple, you know, you're lucky to work here kind of thing. And and and if you don't like it, you can, you know, there's the door. But this is a possible president for a lot of other companies that might have the same working conditions or similar working conditions that are not advantageous to the people working there and and can and make some changes. My husband works in HR, so I often ask him questions about like, what is going on and like, what kind of laws do do these companies have to follow? And if when you start seeing this kind of thing happening again and again and again with multiple employees, then it's most likely there is an issue going on with either like the way that they are documenting how to deal with claims, how to deal with workplace harassment. And maybe they don't even have the proper kind of documentation on file for people to follow so that everybody is following the same exact guidelines for that company. And if that's the case, we will most likely see some kind of court action. And there may even be some kind of agreement between the different parties, Apple and everybody that comes up against them to to maybe take this to court. So I don't think this is the last we're going to see of it. Definitely. Yeah, it has that feeling of something that's not just going to be like, oh, well, I get, you know, that happened and it blows away. I get the sense that there are a couple of different culture clashes going on here. One is the culture clash of Apple's secretiveness with the the counter needs of someone who wants to expose abuse or or or misuse or something like that. Obviously, if you want to expose something, you want to exfiltrate data. The one thing Apple does not allow its employees to do is exfiltrate any kind of data, no matter what it's about. So yeah, you could say, well, Apple's using that to punish these people, but they would do that no matter what it was about, even if it was about, you know, wanting to expose the menu in the Apple cafeteria. They that's just the way Apple is. The other culture clash is I think what you touched on, Sarah, with the, you know, if you don't like it, go somewhere else of an earlier generation. This is the way it is. Apple has a reputation, certainly had a reputation under Steve Jobs of being a very difficult place to work. Where people were screamed at sometimes and people were held to harsh, harsh account and having uncomfortable working situations that are not the norm anymore. They may have been the norm back in the 1980s and 90s, but there is a clash between what is acceptable in a workplace that is being worked out. Now, I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong, but there is definitely a difference of opinion about what is normal behavior and what what is just part of the job. Well, and I think, you know, just before we move on, this whole idea of, oh, an employee deleted files that they shouldn't have deleted because it's, you know, the property of Apple. But that employee saying, well, no, but this is relevant to my case about workplace harassment inside of Apple. That that's where, you know, legally, I I I hope that this shakes out a certain way. But yeah, it's going to potentially force Apple and other companies to to act a lot differently as far as secrets are concerned. Indeed. All right. This next story I really didn't want to do, but so it's got one of the highest numbers of votes on our subreddit. I've had several people ask me directly to to address it on the show. So we'll address it. But I really think there's more smoke than fire here. Tuesday, a reporter with the St. Louis Post Dispatch alerted the state of Missouri that social security numbers of school teachers and administrators were available to public exposure on the Missouri Department of Education's website. So this was responsible disclosure. When doing a search for teacher certifications, there was a web app that lets you search like, OK, is this teacher certified? That was supposed to happen. The reporter found that if you viewed source, so it wasn't available just in the search results, but if you viewed source, the source code contained the social security number of the teacher returned in the search, which is not good. It shouldn't be available anywhere, even in view source. It was not visible in the rendered HTML, but anybody viewing the source will be able to find that information. So the reporter did what a reporter should do, found three social security numbers and then verified that they were in fact real numbers to make sure like maybe these are dummy numbers, maybe they're not accurate. I'm being a good reporter. Let me make sure they're actually what I think they are and they were. Then the reporter went to the state on Tuesday and agreed to hold the story while the program was fixed or while the problem was fixed. So this is responsible disclosure. I'm going to run this story, but I want to give you a chance to make sure those social security numbers are no longer available and the state responded by removing the search tool, just taking it down and saying, well, we're just going to keep it down until we can figure out how to fix this. However, Thursday after the story was published, Missouri's Office of Administration Information Technology Service Division issued a press release saying, quote, a hacker took the records of at least three educators, decoded the HTML source code and viewed the social security number of those specific educators. All of that is accurate. Anybody who uses a web page decodes source code and the reporter, as I described, did take three social security numbers to verify that's actually what they were looking at. Missouri Governor Mike Parson then held a press conference repeating those claims, adding that the individual used a multi-step process. This was not simply right-clicking. He said the state is committed to bringing to justice anyone who hacked its systems. That bringing to justice caused internet furor. However, the governor cited a Missouri law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly and without authorization or quoting the law, without reasonable grounds to believe that he has such authorization, access a computer, a computer system or a computer network and intentionally examine information about another person. However, when you're viewing a website, even if you're viewing the source code of that website, most courts are going to think you probably believe you have authorization or they wouldn't have put it on the web. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court in Van Vuren versus the United States ruled that someone violates the law when they access files that are off limits to them. Information available on a website served to the public and found by right-clicking and viewing source and doing a search probably is going to meet the legal grounds for not being off limits. Governor Parson said this was not a simple right-click. He claims the data was not freely available. I disagree with him. It seems like it was pretty freely available. He says it wasn't and it took an eight-step process to generate a social security number. It's unclear if Alt F4 would be considered two or one step in that evaluation, but I'm not sure how we got to eight. Anyway, it's unclear if any lawsuit's going to be filed here and honestly, this is something where you can point and laugh and feel some shout and frown and say, oh, he doesn't get it. My guess is the governor gets it quite well and knows that the more outrage that people have online about this and spread the word, the more his base of voters will come to his defense and he can raise money for them because that is a currently very profitable way to fund your campaigns.  And that's what I think's going on here because there hasn't been a lawsuit filed and I'm going to guess there won't be. Right, because it would have to be dropped. He would have no case in this matter. Just talking about the technical aspect of this, viewing source, anybody can do that. I do that accidentally all the time when I hit F12 instead of the backspace on my keyboard, on whatever website I might be on. And that does not mean that I'm a hacker. So even though now that you explained it, I do agree with you, Tom. I think that he most likely is doing this just to get people angry, just to get them talking about it. And I will admit that I definitely had some hot takes on Twitter myself. But even so, there's a precedent that he's making light of where oftentimes security researchers, people that are finding vulnerabilities and disclosing these very responsibly are treated as if they are the assaulters. They are the villains when that's not actually the case. And given that he is perpetuating this bias that is already there is not going to help any security researchers who may want to protect US government websites and networks in the future because they may be scared to do so. So I don't think it's very patriotic to be treating people like this, even if you do wanna gain more money for your political assignment, whatever that may be, because you are in turn impacting the US relations with security researchers. It's a chilling effect. And Missouri representative, Tony Lovosco, tweeted the same thing saying like, yeah, this is not a good idea. Right, I 100% agree with that. Well, what may or may not be a good idea depends on if you're a Tesla owner. Good ideas. The company launched an auto insurance product in Texas that uses real-time driving behavior that it will use to evaluate your premium based on your actual driving. So the same safety score then is used in the company's full self-driving driver assistance beta, which will be the main factor used to determine premiums going forward. So you won't need to add a device like you do for other similar insurance offerings. Tesla also says in its terms and conditions, it won't use age or gender or even accident records to calculate your premiums. Tesla already offers an insurance product in California, but this doesn't use real-time driving data or the safety score. So this is a little bit different in Texas. The safety score is based on five metrics, forward collision warnings per 1,000 miles, hard braking, aggressive turning, unsafe following distance, I hate you people, and forced autopilot disengagement. Tesla says it expects average drivers to save 20 to 40% on premiums if they do agree to sign up for this plane. Yeah, so this is something that is not new. The only thing that's new is that Tesla can do this without you having to put a dongle in your car, right? They can already monitor your safety score. They already create a safety score just for your own edification, and they're gonna use that to give you a discount on your insurance. Now, they could also use it and may use it to increase your insurance. In fact, they show how premiums would vary over time as your score fluctuates. The idea, though, I think is a good one, which is you wanna encourage people to drive more safely by giving them a discount on their insurance, which then means that the insurance company makes more money. It may be counterintuitive to think of it that way, like, no, no, they make more money by raising. They raise their premiums on people who have accidents that they have to pay out on. If they're getting you to drive safer, they can actually lower your insurance premium and make up more money because you're not going to be in an accident, or it's not as likely that you're gonna be in an accident, because that's where they really lose the money. And that is health insurance, auto insurance, insurance. If you're all aware about how insurance works, this is great for Tesla. If a lot of people wanna sign up to the program, I don't know how many Tesla owners just would say, eh, I like what I've already got going on. I personally do not have an issue with people driving more safely, but I understand that there are a lot of caveats there. Saying you were, you know, heartbreaking, aggressive turning, following at an unsafe distance. If that increases my premium, and I say, well, but I have like really good reasons for all of those things, you know, emergency situations or whatever, you know, it's all very, very personal stuff. I can see where the big brother aspect of this is gonna turn a lot of people off. Mm-hmm, yeah, I'm one of those people. I don't like the idea of data collection to the point where it could financially affect my insurance rates for my vehicle, especially if I'm in a very crowded environment when you're constantly being cut off on the road, et cetera, et cetera. There are things that happen on the road that you may not be at fault for, but your car may think that you're at fault for just because it's tracking the data as opposed to the actual human impact that is happening in that vehicle. Yeah, it's the difference between the aggregate and the individual. When I think of this in aggregate, I'm like, yes, it makes perfect sense that this is going to work accurately most of the time because otherwise it wouldn't be good business for Tesla. Tesla wants this to work accurately because they want to accurately identify safe behaviors and the people who they are more likely not to have to pay out a claim on. That's in the aggregate. As soon as it comes down to me and the individual and my premium goes up because it thinks I'm hard breaking, I'm going to say, like all of you are, I'm not hard breaking. Who are you? What are you talking about? Your algorithm's wrong. That's not accurate. And the fact is algorithms aren't perfect. So even if in aggregate they work most of the time, there are going to be individuals where it isn't accurate because nothing's perfect. And of course, the idea that I might be that person makes me go, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want this or not. But I mean, I guess that's true of all of these and they're not new. The only difference is Tesla's now getting into this, which is another way for Tesla to make money and they can do it in Texas where they don't have as hard a consumer protection as they do in California, which stops it from doing it here and they just move their headquarters to Austin. So yeah, a lot of interesting things in there. Hey folks, if you want to talk about this or anything else, join in the conversation in our Discord. We got all kinds of people in there sharing gifts, talking about their local conditions, swapping tales about hardware and software and you can join them. Become a member of our Patreon to get access to the Daily Tech News Show Discord and join the club, patreon.com slash DTNS. Governments and private companies all talked this week about cracking down on tech crime. Google says that so far this year alone, it has sent out more than 50,000 warnings that state-sponsored attackers are targeting Google account holders. That's up 33% from the same period in 2020. Now this week, Microsoft warned that 250 Office 365 customers in the US and Israeli defense sectors were targeted by an emerging group labeled DEV0343. Ransomware is also on the rise, no surprise. The US Department of the Treasury reports that it estimates ransomware payments totaled $600 million in the first half of this year, passing the total for all of 2020. And we still have a few months left, folks, officials from 32 governments met this week to try to better coordinate their responses to ransomware by sharing information about attacks and investigations. They also plan to increase scrutiny of cryptocurrencies to make it harder for attackers to launder payments. They also pledged to push companies to improve security. For example, the US Department of the Treasury issued new guidance for companies to protect themselves against ransomware attacks. Companies who do not follow the guidelines may be penalized by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Yeah, a couple of thoughts here. One is that maybe we're getting more attacks because the attackers realize that the crackdown is coming. It's gonna get harder to do what they do. So they wanna get the easy pickings while the easy pickings are still there. I think that's part of it. The other thing is the only solid action I see here is the Department of the Treasury saying, look, we need you to stop paying ransoms. We need you to stop being vulnerable to ransomware and we're gonna find you if you don't, basically. Yeah, ransomware has been an ongoing issue, but we've never seen it being used as much as it has during 2020 and 2021. And that's just based on analytical data and reports that we have seen from different security research companies. So we know that it's a problem. And I think part of it may also be that attackers are targeting different kinds of businesses as opposed to just focusing on infrastructure or consumer or for example, like for-profit retail businesses, they're now targeting other companies like medical, they're targeting schools, universities, they're targeting city governments. And that's something that we've just seen come to light in the past couple of years. They may be just due to financial aspects, they may be easier targets too. So we're seeing this huge volume uptick with ransomware that we've never seen before because it's easier for these attackers to target them. All right, let's check in on a few of the stories circling around Windows 11. We'll go in order from bad to best. First the bad news, those 3D emojis you may have seen Microsoft show off. Sorry, they're 2D. Oh no. Windows program manager Brandon LaBloch responded on Twitter saying the Windows UK account had used the wrong emoji graphics. When promoting Windows 11 emojis that looked 3D back when they posted on October 8th, somebody asked him though, like, hey man, but those 3D emojis, they're still gonna roll out eventually, right? And LaBloch wrote, quote, I wouldn't worry about this right now, but I've said all I can say about it too. Oh. Dang. Harsh. A little transparency. Come on, like that makes it sound like no. The answer is no. The answer is you're not getting 3D emojis which I don't know if that's true, but that, like, why can't you just let them know? Like, hey, the 3D emojis are coming, hang in there. Which is like such a not big deal if the company had just said, hey, it's just, you know, it's in the pipeline. I said all I can say. Right, I wouldn't make it super dramatic though. No, I wanted those 3D emojis. All right, fine, let's turn our attention to Android apps on Windows 11 then, another promised feature that has not yet shipped. That feature is supposed to come to Windows Insiders in the next couple of months and we've had increasingly encouraging signs that it will. The Windows subsystem for Android, for instance, appeared on the Microsoft Store. Some benchmarks for Windows 11 running Android apps have been spotted in the wild here and there. And Friday, as XDA developers notes, a user on China's social network, Billy Billy, posted images showing multiple instances of the Android WeChat app running on an instance of Windows 11. So, hey, maybe this is good news. We not only should get Android support soon on Windows 11, but the ability to run multiple instances, which is something that even not all Android devices have. Yay! As a Windows slash Android user, I'm very excited to see this news. Not just for developers who may find it a lot easier to use cross-platform compatibility whenever they're programming. So, being able to use Android applications and test them while they're on their Windows devices may be very, very great for that kind of opportunity. But it's also gonna be super nice for consumers who are not in the Apple ecosystem. This is something that we've kind of missed out on as Windows slash Android users. There's a few apps that are cross-platform, like Signal, you can use on your desktop, for example. But otherwise, it's kind of rare. So I'm really excited to see this news. That was gonna be my question for you, Shannon, was you mentioned Signal, but is there something where if you're on a Windows desktop, you're like, if I could just access this Android app, it would be so much more helpful for me right now. Actually, yes, Instagram is a wonderful example. Whenever I'm doing social media work, I can't access some of the features of Instagram on their desktop application, in the browser. So it would be wonderful to be able to use an application and be able to text at my keyboard whenever I'm writing up a new post or whatever it might be. Instead of having to get on my phone and do that. If I'm using Photoshop, and I don't want to necessarily upload a picture from Photoshop to my phone to stick it on a specific application, like a social platform, it would be a lot easier to be able to use it on my desktop. So there are definitely ways, as a content creator, I could use it. So it's definitely something I'm looking forward to. Yeah, I mean, it's been great when Android apps appeared on Chrome OS. Granted, that was in a more limited software development situation than Windows is, but I could see being just as pleased to have that opportunity sometimes on Windows. Okay, so from bad to maybe good, how about best? Microsoft will deliver on its promise for an Xbox Series X mini fridge. It will be available at Target in Canada and the United States, at Game in the UK, and elsewhere in France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Spain, Netherlands, and Poland pre-order starting October 19th for either $100 US or 90 pounds UK, shipping in December. Promises made, promises kept from Microsoft. I'm ready to be a part of this huge charade of people who attack the Target website when these go on sale. I don't need a fridge, but I want to know when one of you gets one, how it is, how happy you are. Sarah, I don't need one either, but I know. Lots of things we don't need, and yet we want. Isn't that weird how that works out? If you do have thoughts on the Xbox mini fridge or anything that we talk about on the show, we want to hear your thoughts. Feedback a Daily Tech News show is where to send those emails. Also, we want to extend a very special thanks to Dr. X17. Dr. X17 is one of our top lifetime supporters for DTNS. Thank you for all the years of support. The good doctor. Yeah, man. In fact, if you want to hang out and chat with doctors, doctors in the discord, quite a bit, they're very active in there. So there's another reason to get the discord. Hey, thank you, Len Peralta, for being with us. What have you drawn for us today? Oh, Windows 11, cheers and jeers, folks. Geez, you know, you remember cheers and jeers? I don't know. I think that was a column or something, but. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I'm dating myself here. Jeers, of course, of those promised 3D emojis will be 2D. Unfortunately, what the F? But FTW cheers that mini fridge is still on the way. Hey, this kind of balances everything out for us, doesn't it, people? All these things that are happening in the world. And this is what it is. One of them is more tangible than the other. Which one would you have rather had, right? Honestly, you don't want my answer anyway. 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It's Wednesday. It's 11 o'clock. It's August the 4th, 2021. Welcome to What Now America. I'm Tim Appachal, your host. Today's title is unvaccinated to pay 50% of hospital bills. You know, as the Delta variant explodes in this country, especially in the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Wyoming. By the way, those states are less than 35% vaccinated as the Delta variant threatens to once again, close down this nation as we are now going to be forced potentially with shutdowns and things we can't do. I think the nation is starting to get to a point where we have a population of the vaccinated versus the non-vaccinated. And I think the patients of the vaccinated is starting to wear thin. They're starting to grow weary. I'm one of them. When it comes of that, we look at a few things. And that is, for those who are not vaccinated, they threaten those who have immune compromise systems, because the CDC says if you have immune compromise system, the Pfizer or the Moderna or the Johnson and Johnson vaccine may not be as effective as they once thought. And so the the vaccine may not hold as strong for those folks than that was hopeful. Secondly, we may see a reduction in travel again and in businesses. We may see, which is the title of the show is, what about our medical costs? Someone's going to have to pay for all these hospital stays that could have been avoided by those who are not vaccinated that are finding themselves in the hospital for days, weeks, potentially months in very expensive ICUs. And I doubt very much the federal government is going to pay for the bills of all those hospital stays. So that means only one thing, the health insurance companies that those people are insured under. And if you happen to be part of that health insurance company, guess what? Watch your bills, watch your premium increases come in because they're going to. So before we tackle the subject, I'd like to introduce our guests. Today we have Jay Fidel and Cynthia Lee Sinclair. Good morning, you guys. Good morning, Tim. Good morning, Cynthia. Good morning, Jay. Good morning, Cynthia. Good morning, Jay.  The Kaiser Foundation did a poll, and it's not a big poll. It's about a little over 1500 response. For those who are vaccinated, they're saying that they hold the 75 79% of unvaccinated responsible for our troubles. They hold 36% for against Trump because they think he started this whole thing in motion. And last but not least, they hold 33% of conservative media responsible for where we are today regarding COVID and the Delta variant. Now, conversely, the unvaccinated feel it's not their fault they're not vaccinated. They think 37% of the problems are coming from people coming into the country, specifically a lot of that the Southern Mexico United States border. They believe that 20% of the problem is associated to liberal media. And then last but not least, 23% is Americans who are traveling to foreign countries and then coming back with infection. So bottom line is, though the good news is, we had at 1.20% of those who were unvaccinated that swore they would not get a vaccination. Fortunately, that number has dropped down to 15 14%. So there's some, there's a, you know, there's some good news on the horizon here. But I want to get to your question, do the main question is, what are the costs, what are the effects, the adverse effects of the Delta variant and the spread of the Delta variant on our society and the costs associated with that. And thanks to the unvaccinated is allowed to to grow and expand your thoughts. Well, you know, kudos to you for addressing that question, Tim, because it's one of those things under our feet that's going to bite us. And people haven't covered it yet. Press hasn't covered it. But it's eating away at the, you know, financial structure of the country at the healthcare systems and ultimately at the people and the people who buy health insurance, their premiums cannot stay the same. You know, you and I talked before the show and we had a discussion about what it costs for a person to be in a hospital ICU situation per day. And it's many thousands, it's like $10,000 per day to be intubated. So who's going to pay that? A lot of these people don't even have insurance and the hospital treats them as a humanitarian matter. And if they do have insurance and the insurance pays for it, it's eating away at, you know, the insurance reserves. In either case, it's not sustainable, either by the hospitals or by the insurance companies that cover it anyway. Something has got to be done. Just a footnote on the people who wind up dying and saying to the doctor, okay, okay, okay, I need to take the vaccine now.   People do not watch the legitimate news. They don't read the newspaper. They listen to Trump. In fact, they listen inartifully to Trump. They're listening to things that Trump said a year ago. They haven't even kept current with Trump. But he has had this enormous Jim Jones kind of influence on them. Were they ready to do suicide, ready to have their friends and family and neighbors and community do suicide so that they can follow Trump's instructions? It is madness. You know, we have to get back to rationality and rationality would be, wait a minute, if you don't want to take the vaccine and you don't want to pay healthcare insurance, we're not going to take care of you. I'm sorry. We have other people we have to take care of. You are not a priority. The other people with an inflamed zorch that threatens their life and they coming in here, you're throwing them off the priority list. You're killing other people for other reasons. We're not going to treat you first. Sorry. And if you want to come in here, let's see the money. So, you know, what we have is it's out of sorts. It's irrational and it's unsustainable. And the healthcare system in the country has to do something. And people may say that's draconian, but sorry, we have to survive as survival of individuals and survival of the country.  Thank you, Jay. I'm going to make two points before I ask you my next question. And point number one is remember last week, we talked about why the big lie is still being believed, why people are still listening to the original statements of Donald Trump. And again, it goes back to propaganda. And it's usually the first lie is the only lie that they want to believe. And information contrary to the big lie or any lie is not to be believed. It's a suspect. And so that's why I think there's a lot of resistance of why people are not getting their vaccinations because you're right. They listen to the original statements of Donald Trump and not the evidence and what's really happening around them. They're ignoring that. And the second point I like to make it's not only in France that the term moron is used, but Bugs Bunny said it perfectly, maroon. There are a lot of maroons out there. And they abound. And I hate to say it, but with this Delta variant, there's no grace period. There's no mulligans, if you will. Once you have it, you're in for a rough ride. And I personally know a Navy SEAL in excellent, excellent shape, a younger guy, Navy SEAL, the specimen of health and perfect body condition. He literally said, and by the way, SEALs are trained to block out pain mentally. That's how they become a Navy SEAL. And he literally said for four or five days, there wasn't any medication. There wasn't one drug that would take away his pain. He couldn't block it mentally. And he said every cell in his body was screaming and pain, and he had to just lay there and take it.  He just didn't want to live anymore. That's a Navy SEAL. So if he's having that kind of problems, God knows what someone who isn't a Navy SEAL is going to feel. An ordinary person would have died somewhere in there. I want to add one other thing, though, to track on this discussion before Cynthia does her licks. When I say that the healthcare system can't handle this economically, financially, it doesn't live in a silo. The healthcare system is a big part of our national economy. And it has an effect on our national economy. Furthermore, people stay home. And I think when, as and when, this is getting worse. It is getting worse right now, daily. And regardless of all the happy talk. Well, that was the prime reason why President Obama wanted the Affordable Care Act. It was a drain on the economy. And all the visits to the ERs was a drain on our national output. But there's another part of it. And that is that people are going to be scared. They're not going to go back to work. They're going to shrink down again. They're going to stay home. They're going to withdraw from the economy. So if you thought the economy took a bad low last summer, it's going to be worse now because they're determined to stay alive. So the good guys are pulling out of the economy. The bad guys are wrecking the healthcare system. This is not a good time. We thought only a few weeks ago, we thought we were coming out of it. Only a few weeks ago, the happy talk was somehow justified. But it is not justified now. I got to compliment Joe Biden. He's doing what he can. But the way Trump set this up, it is really lethal. It is lethal to the country. We haven't seen all the suffering and the economic loss and the depression that will follow this surge. True. Thank you, Jay. Hey, Cynthia. Is it unreasonable for an insurance company to say we're going to cover your hospital stay as a direct result of the variant, Delta variant, COVID, even though you chose, you took a conscientious decision not to get vaccinated. Therefore, that's probably why you've wound up in the hospital, either in the ICU or some other department of the hospital. But we're going to cover that. But is it unreasonable for them to say we're going to cover it at 50% because you had a decision to make and you didn't make it. And now we are spending thousands of dollars on your behalf and we'll pass that on to premium holders in the future. Unreasonable? Reasonable? Not reasonable. Well, the perfect example of how that is not unreasonable is they do that for smokers, right? If they're in the hospital for something that is related to smoking, then their insurance will not pay more than 50%. And I don't see why it's unreasonable to do that now. Is it harsh? Is it callous of those who have been vaccinated to say, you know, that's not a bad idea. Is it callous on our part to think that way? I don't think so, no. Because, okay, just my own personal example, I'm fully vaccinated, but I am extremely immunocompromised. That means I could get the Delta. It may not kill me, but then it might. And if it wasn't for the Delta, I'd be doing just fine. So yes, I think I have a right. And then this is another place that's not just the vaccinated coming after the unvaccinated kind of that struggle, okay? I was listening to a town hall meeting that I'm pretty sure it was Governor DeWine in Ohio, right? Isn't he in Ohio? And all these people were saying, you're gobbless. He's trying to promote the vaccine. And all these anti-vaxxers are show us the data sheets. And we don't even know what's in it. All these just ignorant things that they could look up online to find the data sheet of what's in it. But there was this one gal who stood up and she really struck me because she was talking about her brother who is very immunocompromised, has all kinds of physical issues that he deals with. I didn't get the specifics of what, but he's in a wheelchair. He got sick, okay? They called the EMTs to come. EMTs said, sorry, there's no place to take you. So they were like, what? So the nearest hospital had no beds. The next hospital down had no beds. The four hospitals they had to go to before they finally got to someone where they would at least admit them to the ER, okay, took 14 hours to get this child what he needed. And that, and it have anything to do with COVID, right? So we got to remember that these unvaccinated people aren't just endangering people like me or angering the rest of us that are vaccinated, but they are endangering kids like this little girl's brother. And that is what I think people need to really remember and think about because they're endangering a lot more than they're thinking about, I think. Yeah, that's a great point because sometimes we look at the cost of society and we look at it in dollars and cents. But you're right, there's a human cost and it's not fair for those who are immune compromised or it's not fair for someone who's had a stroke and there's no hospital beds for them. And I can tell you right now, here in this state, our beds are filling up. Three weeks ago, maybe at Queens, you would have had 11 beds and now it's over 50. So they're not a capacity, but that's not to say they can't be or won't be, depending on how much this variant spreads. Every day, we have more than 300 new cases, sometimes four or 500. Last week we had one day with 622. We are going north. We're in the red zone here. I don't know why that is and we should explore why that might be right here in Hawaii. Five times on the average of what we were. Because the Delta variant, which is most of the cases here in this state, unfortunately, remember the original COVID was an old person's problem. If you're 65 and older, it's going to affect the older folks and the immune compromised. The young and strong and healthy, it's going to be like a minor, minor flu for them. But this time, that's not the case. The young and healthy and strong are the ones who are ending up in the hospital, in the ER, in the ICU, and that's a whole different story. I have a statistic for that. It's rather startling and very troubling. It's from the American Academy of Pediatrics. Last week, we had 71,726 new cases, wait a minute, for children and teens. Two weeks ago, it was only 39,000. What's the new number? I'm sorry. Say it again. Almost 72, 71,726. It's doubled. Go back to your question for a minute, Tim. What do we do about this? I mean, we could wait till it doubles again and again. It will be multiples or logarithmic going forward and it will have a multiple or logarithmic effect on our society and our economy and our children. It's really going to town now. So what do we do to stop it?  I was just before the show began. Buddy of mine sent me a photograph of some kids in a pool. I mean, college-aged kids in a pool somewhere in the south over the weekend. There were virtually hundreds, thousands of them in the pool, all breathing on each other, no masks. It was a super, super, super spreader. He'd say, my God, don't they read the paper? Don't they know what's going on? Don't they know that in 10 days time, half of them will be in the hospital or trying to find one?  We have raised a large generation, mostly in the south, of people who do not know what ends up. So bottom line is we really have to change behavior, begging them, giving them money, holding raffles. That's not it. Okay. Well, that goes to my question for both of you. Cynthia, I was going to direct it to you, but both of you, I'd like to tackle it. Every state has been given federal dollars to come up with creative, innovative ways of encouraging vaccination. And you're right. It's been a form of bribery. If you want to call it dangling carrots, fine. I don't care what we call it. $100 here or enter a lottery for $500,000 or get your free ice cream bar at Ben and Jerry's. There's all sorts of crazy incentives. But I've learned over the years that incentives don't always work. Sometimes it's a combination of disincentives. The hanging sword and the dangling carrot are maybe sometimes the most effective way of getting someone's attention and or persuasion. So Cynthia, to you, what kind of disincentives should we start thinking about to encourage the unvaccinated to get the shot? Well, I mean, that's easy. Just say you can't come in this business if you're not vaccinated. You can't come to work if you're not vaccinated. Those sorts of things would just really close down their world and make it so that in order to have a life, they have to be vaccinated. Now, and my point is you can't go to public school. You can't even go to private school if you aren't vaccinated. Now, when I went back to college 40 years later, I don't know where my vaccination thing is, but I had to have a vaccination card for Windward and for UH before I could go there. You have to get a doctor to sign up on it if you don't have a way to get it, but you even in, right? We're already behind the eight ball. Look, all the hospitals now in this state are saying all you employees that work for a hospital, sorry, you're going to have to be vaccinated. But here's the problem. Here we are August the fourth. You know it takes so many days after you get your shot before you're eligible for the second shot. And then it takes another 21 or 28 days depending of its Pfizer or Moderna. So we're looking at almost a 60 day stretch there. How much faster and more spread will the Delta variant have not only in this state, but every other state? If everyone were to get their vaccination tomorrow. Well, pay him to stay home, but can't think that's when the government can start using some of those incentives. If you have to go, you have to be vaccinated to go to work. Then you are able to have access to be paid for those few days that you have to stay home those two weeks, whatever it is, that you need to miss work while you wait until after your vaccine. Well, my point is we're already behind the eight ball. We're already 60 days out from where the vaccinations would be effective to blunt the variant. So you have to do things other than vaccines during the grace period. That's the wrong word, but during the interim period. And that means masks. It means good masks, not lousy masks. It means we've heard all this before, social distancing. You have to take all those precautions. Now, if people don't want to do that, there should be serious penalties. And I think fines are really the beginning and fines are steep. There's arrests and prosecutions if you don't follow the rules. So yes, we have to require vaccines. Yes, we have to require passports. Yes, we have to punish people who don't follow those rules.   We are at risk. I would take strong step, but in the interim, we have to take equally strong steps. Just like Cynthia says, we have to mask them. We have to keep them social distancing. We can't let them participate in anything without following these rules. Okay. You know that will create some consternation amongst our population. Consternation is better than dying. Good point. So what does the federal government do about those governors? And I'll point out Texas and Governor DeSantis of Florida. What should the federal government and the Biden administration do about someone who's basically throwing everything you just said out the window and not only not promoting it, but going out of their way to not promote it? Vaccinations and or masks. I mean, Governor DeSantis said, you're not going to require masks and you're not going to require passports to get into public restaurants. He took it one step further and right and and said, I will not allow people, it's him that said, I will not allow mask mandates to be made in the schools. Correct. Correct. It's aren't going to be protected when they go to school. Now, I don't know if the federal government can censure a state governor. No, but they could hold back all sorts of federal dollars for certain projects. And I'll tell you, that's how the Civil Rights Act was effectively put into place in the South. The government said, okay, you don't want to enact now, what is federal law? Guess what? You're not getting all these Fed dollars for multiple of highway projects and sorts of things. Right. And you know, we got to remember that Florida and Texas make up one third of the new case. That's a big chunk in only two states. Branded their states, but still that's just nuts. Okay, so I totally agree, Tim, you know, you hold back federal and I think the president has the power to do that. Even if it was originally allocated, you know, appropriated, he just, you know, not give it to that state. Let him scream, let him holler, let him sue him, not give it to that state. The other thing that I don't know where we go on this and be breaking new territory is we say if a public official lies to the public and people accept that to their detriment, they accept the lie and they die in the process. Don't you think they ought to have a cause of action against him?  I think so. And the Congress can do that. The Congress can allow a cause of action by people who have suffered at the consequence, as a consequence of lies by public officials, have to prove it in court. But boy, that would give them pause before they did it again. So it's a combination of things and it's a combination of things. It's all draconian, but it's life and death. You know, desperate times require desperate measures. That's where we are. Good point. Cynthia, you want to say something? There's already a precedent for that with the tobacco companies. Remember, they were doing all these commercials that made smoking look so glamorous and then all these people were dying and they took the tobacco companies to court and won. So that's already set a real good precedent for that for people to be able to go out and do that very thing. And remember, as we're talking about all this, you know, instating something new, right? Remember seatbelts, okay? Nobody wanted to wear them. Everybody hated them. So pretty soon it was a clicketer ticket, right? So if you don't click it, you get a ticket. So the same kind of thing for the vaccine, right? If we could maybe come up with some sort of, if you don't have it, yeah, you have to pay a fine. Although I'm not quite sure how we catch people, but it's kind of a call. Well, you know, the United States, you know, it's a Fourth Amendment kind of thing, search and seizure and stop and frisk has been struck in many places. But I think that if a person presents himself and is sick or appears to be sick, then a public official ought to be able to say, let's see your passport. And if you don't have one, then you're going to get it. We're going to do something to you for not having it and not having taken the vaccine. You know, this is a new world we live in. They could write books about what's happening here. They are. Well, they are going to write books about it, Jay. And we have to save ourselves or the country, aside from the individuals and the communities in the economy, the country is at risk. Well, you know, President Macron of France, he did that. What you said, desperate measures required desperate actions or excuse me, desperate times required desperate actions. And so Macron took that. And he said, all right, I'm making a distinction in this in our society. And those with a passport have access to all the public places, all the privately owned businesses. And those who do not have a passport are not coming in. I was invited to a gathering last weekend to Alamoana. It was a restaurant. And the requirement was no one comes in without their vaccine passport. It's happening here in this state. Now, I wasn't allowed access because unfortunately I was wearing slippers and there was a dress code. And I didn't know that. So I didn't get in anyway. Anyway, so Cynthia, Macron's Macron's approach. I haven't heard the media talking about it. I haven't heard politicians talking about it. It's a, is it a great idea? Is a bad idea? And why aren't we moving ahead with something like that? I think it would be really hard to, okay, you know, I don't know if it would really be easy to do here in the United States. I mean, it's a great idea and all, but it kind of goes against the constitution in some ways. Now, Let me talk social psychology for a moment. You're familiar with that. So on day one, you know, we do Macron. Okay. Oh, there's all kinds of, you know, resistance and pushback and, and everybody is complaining and writing, you know, articles and newspaper on day two, not so much on day three. It's okay. That's what, you know, that's what would happen. It's like my firm stopped smoking. What I mean, they stopped the act of smoking downtown here in Honolulu. And on day one, oh, there were people smokers who resisted that and argued with it and made a big stink about it. On day two, not so much. And on day three, everybody was on board. You know, when you do something, you take action. There's a certain momentum in that. There's a certain, it has a life of its own. And if Biden would, would stop being so chicken about this stuff and take action, sure, he'd suffer on day one and maybe day two, but on day three, everybody would go along. Jay, with the polarization, unrail his infrastructure, voting rights act bills, all the things of his agenda with something like that split the entire Congress apart and where they're already split apart. But at least some things will look like they're getting done, not much, but with it derail the Biden agenda. I don't care. Good answer. This is life and death. Those guys want to go down and be on record for killing people. That's their choice. They've been completely ineffectual. Congress is a casualty already. It wouldn't surprise me if Congress turns out to be a continuing casualty on infrastructure also. But the bottom line is he's got to be strong about this. He can't tip toe around about it. People are dying by the hundreds of thousands. We can be, you know, and one of the point I want to make is that you said that we haven't heard about what happened in Macron in France on Macron's edict, you know, and maybe I don't know the true answer. We have a show tomorrow morning with somebody who's going to report to us on this from Brussels on how things are doing in Europe. But I would guess the reason we haven't heard from it is that people are going along with it. If he was strong people would go along with it and there wouldn't be all that much pushback. It wouldn't infect, sorry to use that term, it wouldn't infect the infrastructure deal in Congress. That's what I think. He's got to take strong steps, because if he takes strong steps in this area, then he will have the benefit of that strength in other areas. As all good leaders know, true. Okay, we've run out of time, Cynthia. What are your closing thoughts, comments? Well, we brought up the infrastructure, so I'm going to not make my last comment be about COVID or the masks or the vaccines. I believe, in my opinion only, that the infrastructure, I don't trust the Republicans for nothing. Okay, I think that's infrastructure package, all this stuff that's going on, they look like they're going to cooperate, going to be on board, and we're all paying attention to infrastructure, and nobody's doing anything about voting. And if we don't do something about our voting rights, so is this just another shiny object that the Republicans are trying to pull to keep everybody's hope and alive over here for the infrastructure, when in reality, what's happening is voting rights are disappearing and nothing's being really done about it. I mean, we got lots of hubbub happening in Washington, Texas Democrats came up, there's lots of meetings and conferences and all this stuff, but Congress isn't really paying attention to it. And that's what I want to see speeches on the floor every day. I want them to hold sway till it's done. And instead, they're looking at this and looking at that and looking at the other. Well, my response to your comments, Cynthia, is Lucy yanked the football away from Charlie Brown just at the opportune moment more than once. Exactly. And that's what we're there we go. Your last comments, please. Honestly, I couldn't have put it better than Cynthia put it. That's exactly what the problem is. It's one shiny object after another. Congress is dysfunctional. I predict, by the way, that some of that infrastructure will pass. Why? Because in the 2700 page bill, every senator gets something. His district is going to be lush with money. And that's why they're going to push that. But the real important issue, well, primarily it's life and death with COVID. They're really not doing too much on that. Sorry. Incentives and free food is not really the answer. It has to be stronger than that. Two is voting rights because voting rights is the framework of our future. We cannot afford what's happening now. And this is going to crush America, not only for the next 10 years, maybe for the next 100 years. And when you wake up, like Rip Van Winkle, it's going to be a different place and you won't like it. And then, of course, we have immigration reform. We have gun control. We can talk about all this stuff. They haven't done anything, nothing on that. It's dysfunctional. If anything passes, it's because somebody is getting paid off. And the infrastructure bill is one great big payoff. So it'll happen, but nothing else will. That's my prediction. Well, Congress used to work before Ted Stevens of Alaska and the Bridge to Nowhere. That's how Congress, that was the grease that made a congressman work with other congressmen. Is what am I getting from my home district? And I hate to say it, but that was the grease that made Congress work. And then when those, I forget what the term is, but when those went away, I call them ornaments on the Christmas tree. Earmarks, thank you. Yeah, when the earmarks went away, Congress started to freeze up. Now I don't know if there's a one-to-one correlation to that, but seems to be part of the mix. So we've run out of time. I want to thank you, Jay Fidel, Cynthia Lees and Claire. Thanks for joining us on What Now, America. I'm Tim Appachel, your host. And please join us next week, Wednesday at 11 o'clock. Until then, aloha.