to be better in that regard. All the steps, just timing, trust, all that stuff. Just to make those plays and execute them like he's saying. For you, the question was asked by Arthur earlier. It's like, do you have to talk to Drake about lack of targets in the last couple of games? Is that something that you have to talk to him about? He said no, that you understand how the game is played. Is that something that you feel like is accurate that he said that? Yeah, I don't, I mean, at the end of the day I'm a rookie, like, you know, I'm still trying to get my feet wet, I'm still trying to learn the game and all. So, you know, them running the ball a lot and then passing it a few times, it still has helped me a lot. So I'm not saying that, you know, but yeah, at the same time, you know, I'm not worried about that. I'm just trying to get my feet wet at the end of the day and trying to do what's right for the team overall. To that end, I mean, this is a team that it's not necessarily a pass 45 times in a game type of offense. Is that something as a pass catcher that you're content with us? It's just how the game is played at the end of the day, you know, I came from an offense where they threw out, I don't know how many times a game. So this is a little bit different, but it's my job now, something I gotta do. I'm not mad at it at all. I'm just waiting for opportunities and when they come, I'm gonna try to make the best of it. It's been fun. I mean, I'm playing football for a job now. I can't be more excited than that. So if I have to block more than usual, I'm gonna do it, you know? This was best for this team, that was best for me, you know?  I'm just wondering how mentally you adjust to that. Whether you're job or not, it's a different role. I mean, obviously it's a different role, but at the same time, everything is so, you get everything so few in the league, right?  So at the end of the day, I'm just trying to do my job. Do as best for this. This club was best for the teammates and all that. To that end, is it almost like, hey, if I get five targets, I gotta make the best of this, these moments, because I know they're not gonna come at an exponential, right? Does that almost kind of go into your head as well? Yeah, a little bit, but I think that on every play as well, because you don't ever know when we're, we're gonna break somebody out like Avery, Tyler, any of them. So it's that for every play, but it's definitely make them on the passing place too. Nope, it's kind of that. I guess glass half empty of what Torrey just asked though, is it tough to stay in a rhythm, get in a rhythm when there aren't that many passing plays at all?  I wouldn't say not for me at least. I mean, it could be for other guys, but not for me. I'm out there playing football, when I'm out there playing football, I'm glued into what we're doing. So I try to execute in all my plays, whether it's blocking or running routes. I know. In a couple of different ways, you get off to such a fast, hot start to the season. The numbers in the last game have been, you know, haven't been quite to that level. Frustrating at all, or is it really just, hey, it's a job to show up, do what they ask me to do? It's a job you gotta show up and I'm a rookie right now, you know? So I gotta go through all this. I gotta go, I gotta go through all everything. And just getting my feet here, like I said before, you know? So that's what I'm trying to do. And I think I'm doing a well job of it. When you see this secondary help beat up is, and I go against them every day in practice, what do you see about from some of these guys who you're talking about getting their feet wet? They're getting their feet wet too. How do you feel like this secondary is kind of coming along this week considering how many of them had to play this past Sunday? Yeah, past Sunday. Well, I sit by a lot of them, you know? So they're a close knit family and I believe in all of them. I go against some of the best guys, you know? So at the end of the day, I have all my faith in them and they're getting their feet wet just like me. And like I said before, I think I'm doing a good job and I think they're doing a good job as well with that. Treating you a little bit digitally after the fast start because we saw you come out of the gates good and then are you getting a little bit more heavier treatment? I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't say it's hard to tell. I just... How you put it? I wouldn't say it's hard to tell, you know? It's just how the game has been going the flow of the game. We've been running people through people's faces and we're going to keep on doing that till they stop it. Yeah, so that's the passing game. How do y'all try to ramp it up or get it going? That's probably a question for coach Art, you know? How do you get that going? All I can say for that is just being on RPs and Qs as wide receivers and QBs.  When he said he knows he's got the good guys that are going to be there when y'all do get it open. Yeah, just our opportunities. We've got to make the best of them. And either said earlier, just that trust and discipline in our routes, execution, all that stuff, it's going to go a long way. Just stay on top of that no matter what. Exactly, because it helps other people out. There's a lot of routes that help clear out other people. So you've got to be on that, too. Yes, thank you. Thanks, Coach. Yeah, it's a crazy atmosphere. Nothing like it in college football. Other teams and stuff might split the stadium, but when they split half, ready to have blue, you know it's going to be a fight. And you know the fans are going to stay engaged the whole game up until we kick them, kick the blue guys out of there. So we've got Kyle Pitts here, who's a gator.  What's the, what's it been like in here? It's not too much trash talk going on, you know? Surprisingly so. I will always talk trash for my dogs, but I mean, I feel like they, they kind of have an understanding this year that bulldogs run it. What are, what's your expectations for this team and just the, I don't know, do you have a score prediction or anything like that or who you want to see go off? It's hard to make score predictions in this one because you know it's always going to be a battle. Big rivalry game, everybody's going to play their best, but the dog's on top, always. So there's a lot of people talking about eliminating the neutral site factor of Florida, Georgia. Do you have an opinion on that? Whatever Coach Smart says, whatever he says goes. What would you think about the players playing in Gainesville and then them coming to Athens? I actually think that would be nice. Like I, that, getting a chance to go playing Gainesville and playing the Swamp and then having them come to Athens, I feel like that would be a good opportunity for both sides. Any worry that there's going to be a little look ahead to Tennessee next week considering that's what the East is going to come down to? No, no, no way. It's Florida, it's Florida week. They got to take care of one team at a time.  What's your favorite memory from that rivalry? Um, I say just empty in the stadium.  What's it been like with Coach? He's a Tennessee guy. Do you guys have any conversations yet about it at all? Who's a Tennessee guy? Smith was talking about. There's a lot of Tennessee fans out there. Oh man, nah, I feel like right now everybody's all Georgia. And the Tennessee guys, they're kind of sitting behind, just waiting, waiting, hoping that they get a chance to come beat us. I think as a group, man, it's a great group of men, you know, and Tyler's taking advantage of his opportunity that was presented to him. Obviously, CP started out really hot.  And their whole thought process is just how they can continue to grow and just continue to help this team win games. And Caleb like Caleb? Yeah, Caleb's doing a great job too. Preparing every week for his opportunities, you know, and the packages of things that we have for him and that we're gonna ask him to do. Spending a lot of time with the veteran guys and, you know, just trying to learn from them and taking their experiences so he can obviously help himself when he's out there on Sundays. And lastly, Andrew Williams was the last one I wanted to ask, you know, it was a pretty good succession from, you know, LG or to Caleb and A, it was part of that committee and I just finished that question, he takes very much. How's he doing in his role? Yeah, every, again, he has his role. We know how we wanna utilize him. I think between Art and Rags and our offensive staff and what he does on special teams, he has a very unique role for us. And so again, he's doing a great job, doing an unbelievable job in the room, just learning. Very, very trustworthy guy in a lot of different aspects. And so he's continued to grow as well. And again, just continue to do whatever he can to help this football team win games. Thank you, coach. Thank you. It's hypothetical, be honest with you. I know you guys get that a lot, but right now we're literally focused on Carolina Panthers and what do we need to do today on Wednesday to put ourselves in the best position to win on Sunday. And then when CP does come back, we'll cross that bridge, we'll figure all that stuff out. But there's no reason to waste any time or energy talking about hypothetical situation. I mean, you're almost in a reason to waste some words on it, I think. And I'll be honest, I don't know if he's coming back next week or not. That's, again, that's a question for art. That's not a question for me. I just know the guys that we have rolling this week, be it Tyler, be it Hunt, be it Avery, and Keith, I need to make sure that those guys have a great Wednesday practice and that we can go out there and put ourselves in the best position to go win this division game on Sunday. I don't know if the offense changes, but obviously CP is who he is. He's a dynamic football player. So I don't think the offense changes. The scheme doesn't change. Art rags, the way that we're in vision putting this thing together really doesn't change when CP comes back. I think it's us just, each player doing their 1-11th and that's what CP was doing because it was a success of the other 10 guys around him that allowed him to be able to do his job. And that doesn't change when he comes back or when he comes back or if Tyler, Huntly, Avery or any of those other guys are out there. And that's kind of our mindset is it's not just, hey, this one guy.  He gives us a different dimension because of his flexibility as a football player. You know, and so like I said, but our focus right now truly is just how, what do we need to do to prepare on Wednesday to go win this game on Sunday? Ideally, they want to line him off every player. So that didn't necessarily happen in the first three to season four, you know, first. So that's why I'm wondering if there is kind of a vision where it maybe looks more either like last year Yeah, I think that's the beauty of when you have a guy like CP is that you do have some flexibility of where you can line some different guys up. Again, the game plan changes week to week and how we want to utilize certain guys, tight ends, receivers, different backs. And so again, Arthur rags our offensive staff. We'll all put that stuff together when it does come to that point when he is back. But like I said, I do think again, each week we're going to put our guys in the best position to be successful to allow us to win the game on Sunday. Keith Smith, I think Keith Smith is a quiet leader amongst not only in our room, but amongst his football team shows up to work every single day. Does a lot of the grunt work, be it special teams, be it blocking, you know, a lot of things that doesn't get a lot of recognition. But he's doing a really good job, especially just with it being a younger room. He was a quick answer. Just because you see what goes into playing that position, and it's a selfless position. And I think he understands that. And that's why he's been able to make the career that he's been able to make for himself because he's a selfless guy. He cares about the team. He wants to help the team in any way possible, be it taking Repster and Scout team for the Scout offense. He doesn't care what it is. He just wants to help this team win and be prepared for Sundays. And then obviously you guys drafted Tyler out to your abilities. And you liked him on film, and now you like him. Because you're utilizing him the best of his ability. How have you seen him evolve the more he gets used? I think the patience as a runner is continuing to get better week to week. You know, there's always things that we need to improve on. And him and I had a really good meeting earlier this week. And we both noticed some things that we need to do a better job of and get cleaned up to allow ourselves to be better in the run game. But I think that's the best part about that group in general is they all aren't satisfied at any moment of any success that people may think that we're having because it's the constant mindset of how can we get better in that growth mindset. Michael, have you watched any of CPC's videos like this morning on Twitter and Instagram? It's been so close to get ready to come back. Not really, to be honest with you. During the season it's kind of hard to any spare time to spend any time watching. They're looking at a lot of social media stuff. But I do know he's chomping at the bit to get back. And he just wants to get back around his teammates. And just again, like I've said a few different times, just help this team win on Sundays. Because right now that's our sole purpose and our sole focus. Is he one of those guys they don't have a hard time like easing back into the game like I'm going to give you? I think naturally that's all these guys. They wouldn't be at this level if that wasn't their mindset. But I think for us, starting with our medical staff, Arthur, we'll have a good plan in place on how we want to approach that with him. Again, that would be something that they would need to ask or they would need to answer because they have a better idea of where he's at and what not. But obviously he makes us a better football team when he is on the floor. Quite a bit because there's a lot of different aspects at the end of the run. Obviously the best outcome is getting in the end zone. So you're trying to obviously help prepare them to get to the end zone. But I also think the ball security aspect, how to finish a run, doing a good job of finishing that run going forward and not allowing the defense to push you back. That's specifically what I was thinking about. How important is it for guys to get back? Yeah, no, it's hitting yardage that a lot of people don't talk about. Because if you hear a defensive coach talk about what do they want to do to a ball carrier or someone that has a ball, they want to push them backwards because they're trying to take away that hitting yardage. And as an offensive coach, you're telling your guys, guys, we want to fall forward because you can steal an extra two or three yards. So instead of it being second and seven, you're sitting there in a situation of second and five, which then for our play caller for Coach Smith, obviously makes it a little bit easier for him to have a little bit more variety in which he can get to in terms of his calls.


Hello, everyone. Welcome. I'm James Milan. This is Talk of the Town, a legislative update as we love to do with our state representative, Sean Garberley. Sean, good to see you. James, good to see you. I hope you're well and warm during this snowy day. Doing pretty well in my comfortable kitchen, I have to say. I did, you know, I say it's good to see you. And I really mean that because we've been trying for a while. This update has been put off for, you know, a few weeks now since we initially tried. And that mostly has to do with the kind of schedule you were keeping right through the holidays and into the new year. So I'd like to ask, you know, first of all, it's an update. So we want to get a sense of, you know, what has happened of significance as far as your concern and the state legislature's concern in the last session that you'd really like to highlight. And then what, and then we'll focus on the months to come, which I think people are also going to be very interested in. But if you don't mind, Sean, just take us back through 2020, which hardly anybody wants to do in certain ways. But nonetheless, the accomplishments were there in the State House. So tell us what you think. Well, James, it's a very important question. And my apologies for not being able to do this interview sooner. It seemed that every time we had scheduled a interview, I got called either into session or at the moment on and during informal sessions, I'm running them in the House of Representatives, which kind of adds to my duties, which I enjoy. It takes precedence. So thank you. How did that come about, Sean? Excuse the interruption. So the speaker has asked me for informal sessions, which are usually every Monday and Thursday to help run the sessions, which is a great honor for me and a privilege. And that sounds like a real distinction. That's great. Well, I've enjoyed it very much and to be able to help try, you know, this is the early part of the session, but to try to help pieces of legislation flow through the process and get through and engrossed and acted and then laid up, you know, done in the other chamber the same way and laid upon the governor is a great privilege and to be able to have a role of being able to advocate for those bills. That's important as well. But to get back. I'm sorry, Sean. I'm going to keep going on for a second. Is that like a testament basically to your seniority at this point in the State House? Is it a reflection of the, you know, relationship you've had with the now new speaker or what? You know, it's tough to say, you know, I don't have an answer for you on that. The speaker asked me to help run session, informal sessions. And so it's a great privilege to have, you know, I think he tends to he wants to rotate the chairs more. One, it's it's important to know how to do it to make sure that business of the people gets done, you know, but but I've enjoyed it very much. I have a close working relationship with the clerk's office and the committee on third reading. And it's a role that I've enjoyed. I don't know if it's a role I'll continue to have, but it's the role I've done for the past two or three weeks now and and I enjoy it very much. And if it helps me have a stronger position to advocate for our mutual priorities and some of my legislation, all the better to have it. But to go back to your original question about 2020, you know, all of us have been touched in some way, mostly negative. Unfortunately, by the pandemic of 2020, sir, and we're not over it, right? So but when the pandemic started last March, it really did impact the schedule of the legislature. We had to figure out how to do business remotely. And then we had to figure out what business needed to get done to address this pandemic and to help the people of the Commonwealth, small business owners and government agencies of the Commonwealth that needed to conduct business and get business done. So it was a difficult time. And there were several months where we really couldn't get things done because it was COVID, COVID, COVID as it should have been. But we still had a lot of priorities that we wanted to get done.  And most of the time, session ends the last day of July, July 31 is when we kind of cram everything in to try to dealing with conference committee reports and bills that are going between the House and the Senate. And then we have kind of a break where members get reelected, you know, the primary in September and the general election in November. And then we get started in January, that first week of January, we get sworn in. But this cycle, because of COVID, we adopted emergency rules, we extended the session into the end of December, right until we get sworn in the new legislature. We didn't postpone an election. Members had to campaign for the primary and the general. As you know, we had a cantankerous general election federally that has recently ended. And we continued to meet in session and just got sworn in literally the day after we passed a number of bills, we swore in a new class, which really has never happened before. And so some of the bills that really kept us busy are kept the conference committee busy. Of course, we all have our own individual priorities. But we also have the House's priorities or the Senate priorities that have to go back and forth if they get through conference committee. So one of those priorities was the police reform bill, which I know we've talked about before, James. It was a long process. You know, we saw some of the atrocities that happened in Minnesota with George Floyd. And we knew that the laws have had to change in Massachusetts to try to pass comprehensive police reform that was fair to all parties, but created some justice, increased training and put some clear definitions and prohibitions on police conduct like choke holds and different things like that also mandating the duty to intervene if a police officer is on duty, that they have a not just the moral obligation but a legal obligation now under this law to intervene. And also an important part of that bill was to set up a really state agency within the governor's department on training to develop a whole network of when a complaint is made, you know, there'd be an investigation done at the local level. But that this agency would deal with those complaints about certifying and decertifying police officers, but also standardize the training that is done across the Commonwealth. And to me, that was just so very important because we have very good, we have very many good police officers. But it's really, really important to make sure that the training is good. But to make sure that the training and the amount of hours of training are equitable. And to make sure that people who have been or will be victims of police misconduct, you know, have their say, right, have their ability to say what happened. And I think that's fair. But also to make sure that the police officer has recourse, right, in collective bargaining, which he or she still does. But to me, it was just so important on the prohibition of choke holds, the banning of it, but also to make sure that there was a state agency in place to look at the certification and decertification of police officers. So to me, this legislation was very, very important. It wasn't always clear that we were going to be able to get this legislation passed. It took a lot of months of deliberation between the Senate and the House to be able to get something passed. And within that legislation too, are very important commissions.  But the truth is that commissions are only successful if the members of those commissions view it as critical work. And one of the commissions is to look at civil service law. And so that's really important. And also to look at systemic racism. You know, we know systemic racism, racism is pervasive in policing. But we also know it's pervasive in education. It's a pervasive in higher education is pervasive in town government and state government. We know that it is pervasive everywhere. It's not just targeting one specific group of society. But obviously, the power differential is very different in this case. So there is a there is a commission on to study and look at systemic racism across policing, but across our society as well, which I'm particularly proud of and believe that I'm really hopeful that it's going to yield some great finding. Well, maybe sobering findings but important to enact into law. And so I look forward to that. Another piece of legislation very quickly was the economic development bill. And the economic development bill contained millions of dollars of bond authorization for money for Arlington and for across the Commonwealth, which doesn't become real until the governor funds it. So I won't put too much attention on to that. But also money for small businesses during COVID, other folks to help kind of lift the Commonwealth up. So it was really important bill a part of that bill also was what we call the student bill of rights borrower bill of rights for students who are taking out loans to afford to pay for college. And this is important to make sure that there's no predatory type of actions on the loan agencies against students and their families. So to me, that was a really, really important bill. And I was very happy that it was part of the economic development bill. There was also another important provision known as housing choice, which was government the governor's zoning reform bill that had a lot of debate here in Arlington, but it would allow simple changes to municipality zoning laws around, you know, everything from accessory dwellings to if you were going to change your zoning bylaws in municipalities like Arlington before you needed a two thirds majority to pass something now you need under this law, a simple majority. So we had those debates and it was within the economic development bill. And so I was happy that both of those pieces of legislation passed. There was also a very important bill that the House and the Senate passed early on, which was known as the roadmap bill to have Massachusetts chief net zero by 2050, which of course is the equilibrium between the gases emitted from us, and then the amount of the pollutants we take out of the atmosphere. And the bill had a lot of other good things to including one of my provisions, which increases the renewable portfolio standard even more aggressively so we can achieve 40% renewable energy by a certain date. You know, I think it's 2030, but to try to get us on to the road to 100% renewable energy by 2050, we know there's tons of steps in between that. But for whatever reason, that was surprising to me, the governor decided to veto the whole legislation. And I was very disappointed by it, because this legislation had hearings. It had six months of deliberation by the conference committee. This was not something that we just passed at midnight, right? This was something that we were deliberating on. The Senate did a debate in their version early in May, we did ours over the summer. I think you think the Senate did theirs in January, and we did ours over the summer. So and then we had the conference committee for six months. Well, we did other things, but they tried to get a bill that on balance was was right course of action, but really dealt with climate change is the emergency that we both know that it is. And another portion of that bill that did that bill was around dealing with environmental justice communities. So we know that when someone comes to town to put something that may emit many pollutants and greenhouse dangerous gases, they're probably not going to do it in Arlington. They're probably not going to do it in Lexington. They're probably not going to do it in Newton, because those residents, company included, are active, right? They know you know what's happening in our town. And you're not going to if you see something like a like a compressor station, try to get jammed into Arlington, you're going to speak out. And a lot of people in Arlington speak out as well as myself. But there are many communities where that's not the case. Many of those communities are gateway communities, many cities kind of like, I don't want to name you know, but you know, revere and went through up our considered gateway cities. And it seems a lot of those compressors and other type of environmental pollutants get put in those communities. So environmental justice mandates that those individuals will have a stake at the table, they'll be part of the process, something just won't be jammed through, they're going to actually be part. And so to me, all these things are really important. The governor decided to veto it. Let me ask you about that for a second. You know, you were saying that you were surprised by that. And I can hear from what you describe that certainly part of it, part of your surprise might derive from the fact that the governor could see this coming for a long time down the pike. And obviously, as you said, there were months of deliberations. And certainly he in his office would have been aware of what the contents of that was. I'm wondering if that's what's surprising to you that he would have known and why didn't he, you know, register like trying to weigh in before? Or is it that it is odds with other messages that he's been giving around climate change? Because this has been, you know, frankly, for a Republican governor, one of the ones who seems more out front in terms of acknowledging climate change and its deleterious effects, and signing on to at least agreements to do things about it. Right. So James to answer a question, I would say all of the above. So this was not a surprise. We've been working on this for a while. In the last state of the state address, a year ago, the governor proposed this, a roadmap to net, you know, net emissions by 2050. He proposed it. So I was shocked that he decided to veto it. I think he said it went too far. I think some of the corporate interests in Massachusetts did not like this bill. Very particularly because it takes money out of their pocket in some in some cases, or it forces them to make standards. And believe me, I support 100% renewable energy. I don't believe this bill even reached what I believe is necessary to address climate change. But it didn't go far enough in some ways as far as your concern. So correct. So Governor Baker felt it went too far. And even, you know, the other night, at his state of the state, he addressed the bill, but he didn't say he vetoed it. So it was kind of, you know, it was not particularly transparent. But Speaker Mariano, and Senate President Spilka, filed the bill immediately, along with the chairs of the environment of the telecommunications committee, Mike Barrett from Lexington and Tom Golden from Lowell. They filed it immediately. We had a temporary rules and the bill got passed with veto proof majorities in the House and the Senate. And so if the governor decides to veto the bill again, I think we'll quickly override the veto because it was the intent of the legislature. So that's good news. And that's work this session, but it really derived from work last session. So those are just some of the examples. James, we also passed a that did not go over the hump, but we did the House passed a really important foster care legislation around foster care parents bill of rights. And it was around giving rights to foster care parents who really deserve to be treated better by the Commonwealth. And so we couldn't get that bill through conference committee or over the hill, if you will. And so I'm hopeful that that will be one of the bills, many bills that we address this session. Yeah, so let's talk about this session. And first of all, I do want to acknowledge that a lot of what you mentioned just now reflect conversations that you and I have had over the years and your priorities that come through in those conversations, which is, you know, advocating for and working on behalf of vulnerable populations, whether it's mental health, whether it is housing, whether it is poverty or food insecurity, it's something that you've been, you know, I've noticed you have walked that walk as well as talking to talk for these years now. So I know that there's legislation you did not get to mention, I'm sure that it fits into in a lot of ways, those categories as well. And there's probably stuff that you will talk about in terms of what's coming up. But an acknowledgement that yeah, you're you're still at it with the things obviously. So tell us yeah, what, what, you know, in addition to what you just mentioned, what what else do you hope, you know, in terms of the foster care, what else do you hope to, or do you do you see coming down the pike here in the next month, two months and then on from there? Well, my hope is that this will be a very ambitious session to produce really great progressive pieces of legislation that improve the quality of life for people in Massachusetts. Now, the devil's in the details of what it would look like. We have till February 15 to file members of the House members of the Senate have till Friday, I believe it's a Friday, February 15 to file legislation that will be considered by committees and the membership over the next two year period. So after we file, then we have about a week to co sponsor pieces of legislation, you know, some of them will be new files and some of them will be refiles, things that we've had filed in the past that we just couldn't get it over the goal line. I think the legislative process is designed to be cumbersome in many ways to try to make sure there's not unintended consequences, but a bill needs to be passed by the House and the Senate or the Senate and the House and then to the governor and it's a it's not an easy process, but it's an important process. So I am in the middle of putting together my agenda for the coming term, James, I can now mention kind of, you know, I'll file close to, if not more, 60 pieces of legislation. Certainly not every piece of legislation is chief priority of mine. But I can just kind of run through some of the Give us the greatest hits because obviously we can't we can't hear about the 60 and we're not going to ask you to name the 60. Yes. But you know, yeah, we want to I'm sure the audience would be interested to know what are the what are the big ones as far as you know? Absolutely. So we're still involved in the coronavirus pandemic. We're really no end in sight. You know, we see the vaccines being distributed very slowly. But we still believe we'll be in this situation for the next several months and with different variants coming from England and Brazil and LA or California, you know, it's a it's a dangerous time and it's a time for people to remember to continue to follow the regulations of the CDC from wearing masks, even double masking to washing your hands, getting hand sanitizer socially distant. But we know that people continue to live with this pandemic. And we know that state government has to support them. So I am filing a bill establishing at least 14 days of emergency paid sick time for workers of the Commonwealth because no worker should have to choose between their job and taking care of them and their kids and family members who suffer with COVID. We also don't want people to go into work if they have COVID, you know, it's it's just not good public policy. So it's important to establish, you know, we do have paid sick days in Massachusetts, but this pandemic related that we're hoping to get past and, you know, I think we filed the first last session, we had over 90 co sponsors. So to me, this is really important. And to me, it continues the work of dealing with the coronavirus. And as we come, hopefully, to the end of that virus, we have to remain vigilant. But government, especially state government and the federal government, but particularly in this case, state government has to step up and take care of the residents of Massachusetts. And this is one way of doing it. Yeah, and, you know, you know, it's not just the residents of Massachusetts. It's particular residents who, as you and I have discussed before, over the years and also within this pandemic time, how the how COVID has exposed and exacerbated the existing inequities in our society. And so many ways, but including the in the pop within the populations, you were just mentioning those who simply don't have the choices that you have and I have, for instance, for how it is that we are going to be able to operate through this. And, you know, I work from home. I know you do an awful lot of legislation, all of you out of your homes these days. And we're talking about people as you have already referenced who don't have that choice, who have to choose between, you know, having a job, keeping a job, etc. And the health of their family all too often. So yeah, I hope I sincerely hope that you have them top of mind. I know you do. I have confidence in you and our other, you know, our other legislators who represent Arlington for sure. I do hope the State House has its eye out for these folks because it's just wrong to during you know, during any time, but especially during a pandemic, our role as government is to support the most vulnerable populations. And unfortunately, whether it be statewide or federally, many of the safety nets have been cut, and people are getting the support they need, whether it's small businesses, now we are trying to do, you know, more loans, but it's not enough. And so my bill focuses around the personal health and well-being of the individual across Massachusetts, but also their families. And so I'm hoping I've heard great signs from the speaker from the Senate President. So I'm really hoping we can take this bill up in the earlier part of the session, like we just talked about with the energy bill. So another piece of legislation, and I wasn't planning on really talking about this bill, but because it's not COVID related, but it is specific related to the populations you just mentioned, James. So we know about the inequities that are caused by race, by income level, by sex. You know, we know that these are that these are real. And part of government is to step on the lever of justice and to give these individuals some dignity and equality, especially dignity with work. And this session, I have filed this in previous sessions, but I'm really hoping now that we've increased the minimum wage, the one of the highest in the country with one of the best paid family medical leave programs earn sick time. But that doesn't always those can help. And those who are important, but they don't always help the situation of all workers. And so I have filed legislation to specifically deal with workers who are working two or three part time jobs just to make ends meet. So these are the individuals who work in motel hotel chains. These are the individuals that work at big box stores like Walmart. Okay. And these are the individuals that work at McDonald's or Wendy's or, you know, the big chains. Many times these individuals are balancing childcare, just like all of us, and trying to get an increased degree. So they're working hard to, to finish their bachelors or their associates or, you know, going to a community college or a state university or UMass, they're trying to balance all this and still trying to afford childcare, trying to afford rent, and, you know, trying to lift themselves up, which is hard during any time of the year, especially during a pandemic. But many times these workers, you know, that are scheduling two or three part time jobs and all the things I mentioned, James, go to their schedule to work, they go into work and then they're told, Oh, I don't need you. You can go home. Well, they don't get paid for that. And it's incredibly unfair. So we're trying to put some policies in place 10 days where a worker has to be told when they're scheduled. And if they're not, if the employee or employer does not need them, that's fine. But they still should get paid for that work. Now we carve out things like snow days and things that are what we would call active weather beyond the control of anybody else. So we understand that. But this is trying to put dignity in the work and trying to help these individuals through no fault of their own who are trying to work hard. I'm trying to make ends meet. So I believe it's a fair bill. And so I think that's kind of further the work that we mentioned during the emergency. Just just to just make sure that I'm clear on the provisions that you were just outlining. Are you saying that it would be up to 10 days of a situation in which a worker was assuming that he or she would be working that day and arrives and then there's not work. And so then they go home up to 10 of those kinds of instances where they would be paid for that day's work. Right. So the the employer has to provide the schedule 10 days before that. Okay. That's what I was wondering. So you're the 10 days you were referring to is really has to do with the notice that the employee has of what his or her schedule is going to be. And then in addition to that there is the implicit promise that if for whatever reason they don't work on one of the days that that schedule says they're still going to get paid for it. That's the goal. And the goal here is to have some predictive scheduling. Not chaotic scheduling. Well like I said there's a lot of car votes that things that you know the employer can't help with like snow or emergencies or things like that. You were referring before acts of God kind of thing. Sure. Yes. Absolutely. And but this only involves employees doesn't involve employees who work at a small business. This is tackling employees who work for motel hotel chains large big box stores and fast food companies. So we're trying to really target the employee and we're trying to target where we've seen a lot of problems in the practice of scheduling. It also tries to address the issue of cloaking. So these are when employees are forced to work the closing of a shift and the opening so that they're not given enough time to sleep. Recover. Now it doesn't ban the practice of cloaking because some people like to do it. But nobody should be forced to do it. So this is just another piece of legislation. We have. I just want to warn you we have about three to five minutes left. Okay. So quick is never easy for me. And I should have given you earlier. The opportunity. So I will be refiling my hundred percent renewable energy bill which is really, really important. We've talked about that in the past. And then the two other pieces of legislation that are really important to me that I will be filing. One is you know I care very much about public higher education. 29 campuses across Massachusetts which really is the incubator for innovation and the launching pad for successful futures. You know we have 85 percent of the people who leave UMass or a state university or community college stay in Massachusetts. They invest kind of like K through 12. We have underfunded public higher ed drastically. And when times get tough we cut cut cut. So I am working with the MTA and many stakeholders and I'll be filing what's known as the cherish act. And it's about investing $500 million similar to what the Promise Act did for K through 12 but into public higher education and to freeze tuition and fees for a period of time to try to help the appropriation level that we give Massachusetts public universities and colleges. And the last bill I'll talk about just because I think it's really really important is that I talk about it all the time and that is what's called the Inclusive Concurrent Enrollment Bill. And this would allow students with autism and Down syndrome to go to college to go to one of the 29 public higher education institutions. And the reason this is important if you look at every metric for an individual with autism or Down syndrome who's had the opportunity to take college courses and you measure them amongst their peers when it comes to employment, when it comes to independence, the individuals who are allowed to take courses do far better and are far more successful than their peers who aren't allowed. And so to me this is inclusion at its very best and Massachusetts has led the way, has led the way for K through 12 inclusion. To me this is a really critical civil rights piece to allow these individuals who are honestly no different than you or I to be able to go to college and we've had hearings on this before where we've had students come and be able to articulate to us that they see their peers after high school go to college and they're not allowed to and so what my bill would say is that the MCAS would not be a barrier to these students that their teams in high school would decide if they can go but the barrier would not be there and they would be allowed to go and to experience the same thing that we're able to and we go to college. So well let me just say on that that I think one of the great benefits for myself in terms of being able to talk to you over a period of years with these regular conversations and updates and for anybody who has been tuning in over that time. I think one of the great benefits is that we I have heard you speak about this with the same kind of passion and devotion for some time and what that illustrates to me is what you said earlier. Legislation takes a long time it's a it is a cumbersome process as you described but I think it's great for me and hopefully for our audience to hear that you have you there are things that you are just going to stick with you know and and that you are going to eventually see those over the finish line one one assumes but it has been going on for a while you've been trying and it hasn't gotten there yet but this is a this is the latest reminder that these things are not just stuff that because it's hard you're going to let go and I think that that's good for us to know. It's it's it's kind of the painful reality of legislation so there have been many times where I got a bill passed by the House and not by the Senate and one another session passed by the Senate and not by the House and so you need to get a bill engrossed in the House engrossed in the Senate enacted in the House enacted in the Senate and laid before the governor's desk and there are times where you know I'll give you for instance so I got a bill passed in the House this year that would allow for adoptees to get their original birth certificates to me that's very important it's about their identities individuals the House did it and we couldn't get it passed in the Senate but that's that's what happens and so that's why we need to continue to file bills to try to get them passed in both branches of the legislature and then signed by his Excellency the governor so it's not an easy process but if you're passionate you'll stick with it and if you're not you know that's why we have elections and that's why new people get elected right because you want a legislature that's representative of the people and that will work as hard as they can and not kind of just do the job to get a pay check and that's why elections are so important so yeah you know and you just again it's you just got to be able to deal with the setbacks that you just described with this particular legislation and it you know that is that is just the nature of the beast there with with the work that you guys do so good for you let me ask you I'm gonna go a couple minutes extra time here because I just wanted to ask you for your thoughts stepping back and looking wider what are your thoughts about you know the happenings of January 2021 what's going on you know the first weeks of the Biden administration how hopeful or not are you for what's to come what are your concerns etc if you can you know compress all that to a couple minutes love to to hear your thoughts well I'll talk about one important issue that's on the minds of everybody who's watching and even everyone who's not and that's the vaccine rollout we can't move on until people get vaccinated we need to get the vaccines into people's arms that's the most important thing and Massachusetts has been very slow and it's one of the more unsuccessful stories in the whole nation and there'll be a lot of there's a lot of finger pointing there's a lot of blaming but right now my focus is around setting up these sites like and Gillette and Fenway Park that allow people to get vaccinated and most importantly you know we have been filing legislation and the governor announced being pressured by the legislature that he is setting up a phone call hotline that will be staffed appropriately to set vaccination appointments up and that's really really important I James I can tell you I have many many calls and emails from individuals that live in Arlington that are over the age of 75 that they couldn't make an appointment they couldn't get through they couldn't wake up at 5 a.m to be you know it's like people are buying tickets to you know Bruce Springsteen or you know Billy Joel American pick a more modern artist but that's not the way it should have been when it comes to people's health and so I think the phone line will setting up will help with you know getting people vaccinated but it was a really slow process and it was not done well and I am furious that you know we were told oh you know go online and you can set up you know register online and you had a 75 year old in Arlington who went online and couldn't do it because it was so saturated or all the appointments were booked and you know that's not fair when people are living with the fear of COVID already we have to be honest we have to level with the people and say hey you know what it may take a few days to get registered but to say you know you can do it all online this day it was unfair and it didn't happen so I I'm encouraged by the by the hotline and you know my main goal is making sure people get vaccinated but there's a lot of scared people out there you know people who call me saying you know is it is a time you know the the administration worked really hard to set up a tiered structure of when you would get the vaccine and they were trying to focus on the most vulnerable populations mostly those who live in congregant care settings and that was well done but I think what happened was it was so specific that a lot of people were confused you know you know they may have two two or more comorbidities they feel like they fall under the the most vulnerable category but because it was so specific there were so many questions that had to be answered and the rollout of communication was not good just like the rollout of the recent vaccine distribution you know centers online was not good so we need to be do better with communication we need to do better and my hope is with the hotline set up if it's adequately staffed we will start seeing more people being able to get vaccinated you know I have a mother who who's you know older than 70 and she's had two bouts with lung cancer and these are the stories that we hear across the commonwealth and so we need to get vaccinated we need to get people helping yeah so that's what we need to do in that you echo a kind of you know almost a fury as you were saying that I've noticed among our local officials which is unusual around the communication specifically from the governor's office so hopefully hotline is a you know excellent first well I don't know if it's a first step but it will be an effective step hopefully to dealing with that I wouldn't be surprised Sean if in the time that you and I've been talking you've had another half dozen or 10 phone calls or emails on this matter absolutely absolutely and so all right Sean thank you very much for your time I'm sure that we have left a lot on the table to talk about but we'll just have to pick that up with our our next update in you know in a couple of months we wish you very best of luck in pushing forward the legislation that you've described and the other things you have on the table and we hope that you will stay safe and that we will all you know be seeing each other in person sometime in the near future I look forward to it thank you and stay safe as well James thanks so much all right thank you I have been speaking with our state rep Sean Garberley for this legislative update as part of talk of the town I'm James Milan Sean we appreciate your joining us and thank you out there for joining us as well we'll see you next time have a great one you too


Hey shipmates, it's hard to believe but it was just over a year ago that we first talked about our journey together. That time I was at the Washington Navy Yard near the fighting top of the U.S. Constitution. Well here we are, it's been a year and it's amazing how time flies when you're having fun. We talked about the 200th commemoration of the War of 1812 and how we were going to celebrate it because it's important for our tradition and to understand our heritage. Well here I am in Detroit, Michigan. We've been at the 200th commemoration. We've been up and down the East Coast. We've been in the Gulf of Mexico. Here we're in Detroit, Michigan and just over my right shoulder is the Brigh Niagara. Now the Brigh Niagara was a major part of the War of 1812. That was the ship Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry continued and won the battle of Lake Erie. And remember it was the battle of Lake Erie that turned the tide in this part of the country of the War of 1812 and really turned the entire war of 1812. This is our legacy and this is our tradition. Bold people, innovative people and brave people who are willing to carry the fight to the enemy. This continued in the Civil War, continued in World War I and World War II, the Vietnam War. And this is the tradition and legacy that you are writing today. You are out and about in this world carrying our message and protecting the freedom on the seas. So as we continue ahead into this next year, remember our tenets. We're fighting this first. We will operate forward and we will be ready. We're ready today to answer the call when we are called and we will build the force of tomorrow that enables those that come after us to be ready and continue that fight. And we will do so with a powerful, diverse force. So I want to thank you for what you do. I'm proud to serve with you and I want to thank your families because they are the wind underneath our wings. They are our foundation. So happy birthday shipmates and I'll see you out there in the fleet.


Hello Marcus. How are you doing? Hi Diego? I'm fine. Thanks. How are you? I'm doing fine. So well, thanks for coming and having this conversation with me We have had already a couple of videos before this one Showing the people how everything works at Redhead and the OpenShift team And so it's a pleasure to have you here and that's going to be my first question Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself a little bit about your? Work with Redhead and what are you doing currently? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I'm not working for the OpenShift team so I'm actually working for Javos Middleware and I have very strong background in Java E and application servers in general And I've been looking into like upstream projects as a developer advocate for Almost one and a half years by now So I know how to work my my way around all these awesome communities and Jbos and Yeah, Wildfly is one of my my biggest like I don't want to call it pet project But because it's just a solid server So but it's my my go-to application server in Java when I really want to try out something and Because everybody is talking about containers these days and kubernetes and all this awesome stuff I actually try to work my way around that on like a typical developer laptop setting Which is like mostly Windows based right so And I came across OpenShift and the awesome all-in-one VM That brand kind of spin up like it was it was just an insane great experience To have everything on one machine right and whenever I had to do a lot of demo with Wildfly or EAP and I could just throw it an OpenShift as an image like a Docker image It just worked for me So I mean those teensy little tips and tricks like port forwarding and whatnot You just come across those and this is what I've been playing around and this is why OpenShift has kind of caught my attention Because I was sick of trying to get Docker and kubernetes running on my Windows machine Yeah, and I think almost everyone that is following our blog Also, they can find several blog posts that you have created around exactly that. So well right now I encourage everyone if they have not checked Marcus's like a blog post Please go and do so. They are really great and thank you also for all the collaboration that we have had there I also like to ask you. Oh, no What is it? What was like your first impression when you started like working with the with the communities? I know that a lot of people that work in other kinds of companies They they are a little bit shocked or surprised about the work that redhead is doing with the open like open source communities So what was your first impression? How was that that you started good working with them? And how has been your experience so far? That's an interesting question because I mean, I wasn't born in redhead, right? So I had a life before that and I've been working for like a typical ISV So I have been I've been working with application service of all kinds Like literally blue red doesn't doesn't really matter Anything but open source But I always like the the Jbos community particularly because they have some great stuff in there So let's just mention Achille and for example, like it's a remote integration testing framework So it helps a developer to test something that runs on the server while also controlling the life cycle of the server If it's a managed or embedded server or like even the cube extension allows you to test locally docker images Including the complete life cycle of a docker image So I always kind of had like a deep relationship with the open source Jbos community and onboarding redhead and working as a developer advocate was like a natural fit at that point and I really had a hard time to talk about anything that isn't open source and The open source communities under those this big Jbos umbrella, for example They are just warm and welcoming and helpful and there's so many people out there I met over the last couple of years We were still in great contact, right? So I mean whenever I had like a question So there's like this teensy little new feature that isn't documented well yet because it's just open source And it's not a productized version. I can just shoot them an email or reach them via IAC So it's so open. It's so welcoming and that they have a lot of knowledge out there in the open source communities I just love that kind of software Okay, that's that's great And I think that's an experience that many of our developers and well redhead as a company I think they are going to relate to that or have a similar experience And since you mentioned the entire thing about the team and that's something similar to what what I leave Where is your team located? Because right now redheads like headquarters. That's in Raleigh, but I'm located in Atlanta So tell us a little bit about where you're located and where is your entire team because I'm almost certain that it is going to be a Really interesting experience to share with everyone awesome Actually, I'm located in Munich like 14 miles to the northeast of Munich My team is is a funny definition because the complete team is like spread all over the world So there's somebody in Taiwan I'm in Europe There's somebody in Sweden and the headquarters like my management sits like a West for it And I think that's just a great distribution So my my former boss was like in San Francisco or Bay Area in general So yeah, we are pretty much working across the globe and nobody really cares about where somebody is Actually like physically right now and right here Yeah, plus everybody is like traveling like crazy. So I'm flying out to Atlanta for deaf nexus On Sunday. So if we get a chance to just let me know. Oh That sounds perfect. Actually, that would be great. I didn't know that you were coming. So there you go Also, my team is like my boss is also in the belt and the Bay Area some of them are in rally like right there in the Red Hat Tower others are like well some of the evangelists are like a and Westford in Canada some in Australia So it's so it's kind of like a similar experience and I've always Kind of like founded an interesting because not every company works the same But I guess you begin to find more and more companies working that way and still I think that's pretty is really like the heavy percentage of real remote workers Plus the distribution like all over the globe. It's amazing like wherever I travel and I like did 30 events last year And wherever I travel there's somebody from Red Hat that I could just run into That's amazing. Yeah Yeah, and tell me a little bit more about that like You mentioned like how many events that you did last year 30 Okay, that's that's a lot. So where did they take you? What kind of band do you go to?  This is the programming languages that that enterprises run as of today Application servers are still the platform choice from many many enterprises. So this is where the majority of Enterprise developers really sit. So I've been traveling to Belgium for great beer for Davos. I've been traveling to the UK for another Davos UK version I have been in Atlanta again like for deaf maxis last year and Obviously like Java one and the real big ones in San Francisco What else I think I can barely recall like I enjoyed Belgrade So they run a couple of conferences one-day things under a boxed umbrella And then Belgrade was one of the best box conferences. I had like last year in total I've been in Russia St. Petersburg So, yeah, really, I mean the only Teenzy little part of the world I haven't been to is like Asia Not the mission it's going to be an interesting ride over the next couple of months And I I hope my travels will take me there at some point Well, that sounds great. Take some pictures and share with us and I will we are going to be able to follow you wherever you go Well apart from that Other thing that I wanted to like perhaps bring the conversation a little bit back to open shift You mentioned wildfire and I think perhaps a couple of months ago I published one of your articles around like wildfire and Open shift so and you do several technologies that most of them like you mentioned are centered around Java and the Java word But I would like to know like tell us a little bit about the tools that you use in your day by day work What what kind of things do you use? What kind of like things do you experiment or play with? Okay, I do use an idea. My main idea is still net beans, which is probably Because of my history. I always like net beans Javas developer tooling has a lot tighter integration with open shift That means just trying to experiment around that and get some first integration set up But we're not there yet. So my Java development is still there Yeah, I mentioned Javas developer tools I do use a bunch of text editors like not not them because I I really I don't want to want to hurt myself, but What else do I use open shift to a reasonable extent? Funny enough Docker machine and all the local Docker tooling that I need to just play around with that I use fabric eight a lot and the fabric eight Plugins so fabric eight is kind of the DevOps framework that is tightly integrated with open shift and Really understands the Java developers world.  So Yeah, fabric eight does a lot more than that. So they'll complete Jenkins workflow. There's a nexus Included with that and it's all based on open shift. So it's kind of the perfect fit for the Java developer with open shift Okay, what else do I use? I Use Photoshop and PowerPoint But yeah Yeah, yeah, usually I use game instead of Photoshop, but yeah, basically the same thing So I have just like I know that you are busy. So I just have perhaps like two more questions and that would be What's your opinion of the latest version of open shift and perhaps like if you can think of like one New feature that you would like to have in the versions that they are working right now. What would that be? Um, okay, I have to admit that I'm only using open shift origin so I've never even touched open shift enterprise I Really like the Operational experience like I think of open shift as adding user experience to Operational people so like the classical platform as a service and I I kind of started looking into the source to image technologies and I like the approach, but it's not where I wanted to be for Java developers So we just need a little bit more and if I could make a wish I would like to see like a local development environment So maybe the all-in-one we am which exposes the complete Docker host and the registry So I don't have to mingle around with the Docker machine and put the Docker and whatnot on my local machine and just have open shift and I also want open shift to acknowledge the Java developers needs like maybe have a template which spins up and nexus and a Jenkins server and Also allows me to have like a complete Round trip like a software development life cycle So I think I really want to want open shift to be a little bit more Embracing for the individual technologies and not just embrace the bare minimum as a Docker image, right? So Okay, this is okay. I can get that running, but I Think people understand that it takes a while to get to a Docker image And if you have like PHP Which is an interpretive language, right? This is easy. So software image is a great fit for interpretive languages But if you have like a compile step in between and if you have like the approvals and staging and whatnot like complex enterprise projects Open shift is designed to run Final artifacts and I'd like it to be a little bit more supportive for developers, I guess Okay, well, that's actually something quite interesting and thanks for that. I'm going to note it like it's recorded so I'm going to let the team know and Well, I also thank you for your time Is there anything else that you would like to tell the people that are going to be watching this video? Um guys follow OpenShift I mean OpenShift, you probably know that it's the best platform as a service out there in the world I haven't seen anything better and I had a hard time getting used to Docker containers and latest buzz because I'm just a Java developer at heart So all those infrastructure things with boards and whatnot that was really killing me and OpenShift ease that pain to an insane amount, right? So I really start to embrace everything around because OpenShift made it easy and transparent again So yeah, thanks to every developer out there working on OpenShift because I highly appreciate what you guys actually did and Keep the buzz humming keep it coming and give me some more great versions And if you have like the teens a little heart for a Java you developer think about me and Thanks more Java developer changes. Thanks. Oh, okay. That sounds great. And well, thank you I'm certain that also the community Thanks you for all the articles and all the work that you have put out there like they are always well received in our blog so thanks for that and Apart from that have a great day Thank you. I'll keep continuing blogging. So there will be more definitely Pleasure to be part. Thanks for the interview Okay, thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye


Welcome to PP18, the Plenipotentiary Conference of ITU in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates where I'm very pleased to be joining the studio today by Muhammad Ibrahim, who is the head of Nideo. Muhammad, welcome to the studio. Thank you. Good to see you again. Yes, it's been a long time. Yes. Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about what Nideo is because you've changed roles a few times since we last met, so perhaps you could just explain a little bit about what you do. Well, Nideo is actually not a government agency, we own the private sector side, so we're trying to help the country to understand about the new digital economy, but all this mobile money, cryptocurrency, blockchain, that kind of technologies. So it's one way of raising awareness, but also works with the Internet Society. So I was the founder of the Internet Society chapter in Somalia. So between the two, we're trying to raise awareness about this new digital economy. Now there's considerable attention being placed on harnessing the power of information and communication technologies of power for good. I wanted to find out what's your personal perspective on this? Well, as we talked about this, I think this is the third time over the last 30 years, I'm still excited about the technology, but really my focus now has shifted more towards what the technology can do to make the world a better place rather than my younger days when I was more interested in the bits and bytes. So as I guess we grow older, we want to see what can technology do, what can it deliver in terms of citizen, in terms of government, in terms of education, all those areas. So that's where my focus is now it is. Now PP18 is the first planning potential conference since the world agreed on the sustainable development goals. I wanted to ask, what's Somalia doing in terms of trying to achieve those sustainable development goals? Well, the government through its ministry, they're doing a lot of hard work. Somalia came a long way, we're more or less on a fast track to be part of these SDGs. But I have a personal view on this. I think we talked about this in Guadalajara and then in Busan and now in Dubai. The issue with the UN SDGs, I'm sure we all remember, we went through the previous millennium goals. So you could be cynical. You could say we had seven million development goals. Whatever the outcome, now we have 17. So the academic in me and books people will probably say, if you couldn't do seven, how do we do 17? But we have to be realistic. I think it's doable. I think it's measurable. I think it's more focused and I'm very optimistic it can be done. Now I know you're not in the government anymore, but I wanted to ask you, what is Somalia doing in terms of getting everyone connected? About half the world's population are now connected, but half aren't. So I just really wanted to find out what's happening in Somalia to try and redress that situation. The Somali government is doing hard work in Syria through its ministry, through its ICT industry. A tremendous amount of work is happening. I'm very excited. I met some of the folks back home in Dubai. So a lot of work is going on. But there was always a secret about Somalia that we were well connected. Although we went through 20 years of challenges, nevertheless technology-wise we were fine. And we are way ahead in terms of the developing countries when it comes to the connected. Of course we want to do more. We want to move forward. We can't sit and wait because the world is moving faster. But nevertheless that's an area I think we can claim we are a little bit ahead. Finally, this is a good opportunity to give a message to the participants here at PPAT but also our wide audience. I wondered if you have anything special that you'd like to convey? Well I guess to me this is kind of historical. I remember we talked about this about 12 years ago, we were in Guadalajara and Busan and now we're in Dubai. There is some continuity. We are moving forward. There's no argument about this. Technology is moving forward and there's a lot of progress made. But I'm always interested in the outcome. What do we achieve? The ITU, 150 years old, huge institution, older than even the UN itself. But there are a lot of questions still I want to get answered. And some of them are, we went through these meetings. They're huge, three weeks, that's a long time. But at the end of the day though, we want something measurable. We can say, yes, we spent three weeks here but this is what we achieved. It's not all negative. There's a lot of good things happening. The ITU, 193 members, 700 institutions, huge institution. So I feel happy that with all that structure, the ITU can still deliver without ever voting. It's always consensus. So I think I take my head off to see a team that can actually do this. So with that positive note, I really want to say, look, Brenner potentially this year is a fantastic way forward. Well, thanks for delivering yourself to the studio this morning. It's been a pleasure seeing you again and we hope to catch up with you again in the future. And look forward to the rest of this P.P. and very much as I say, and catching up with you again and hearing some more news about Somali. Thank you very much. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you very much. Excellent. Thank you.


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Live from Dublin, Ireland, it's theCUBE, covering Hadoop Summit Europe 2016, brought to you by Hortonworks. Now your hosts, John Furrier and Dave Vellante. Hey, welcome back everyone. We are here live in Dublin, Ireland for Hadoop Summit 2016 in Europe. It's theCUBE's Silicon Angles flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, my co-host Dave Vellante. Our next guest is Alan Gates, co-founder of Hortonworks, ODPI Steering Committee, giving us the update on what's going on in the open data world. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you very much. First congratulations, Hortonworks doing well. You guys went public, company's growing, market's changing, a lot of partnering going on, a lot of community action. Yep, a lot of changes, a lot of growth. It's been very good, it's been a great year for us. One of the things we were talking about yesterday pretty hardcore was community. Community right now is more important than ever in this ecosystem because of all the changes. It's not just Hadoop anymore. That's one element of the overall Hadoop ecosystem which is now just a label for the big data ecosystem of technologies. A lot of new technologies coming in, new projects starting, a lot of big vendors with installed base and big money participating. Cloud on top of that, prize more power. It's like Star Trek, Scotty, more horsepower. So we got that going on right now, it's a good thing. How does that affect what's going on in the community and ODPI, what's the update? So ODPI, really what we saw is, well let me kind of back up and say where do we think our value is and what do we see the need here, right? As you said, there's a lot of power in Hadoop. There's a lot of different things you can do with it. It's a platform, but how are people going to use that? And as Hortonworks, we talk to our users, some of the other partners in ODPI as they talk to them. One of the things they realized is this thing can be used in so many different ways that it's actually hard to build on top of it. If you're an application provider and you want to build an application to sell to people, you get it to work in one environment, you take it to a different distribution, doesn't work at all. And it becomes a test nightmare for them and a support nightmare, right? So one of the things that we wanted to address in ODPI is how do we bring specifications and best practices and testing to this ecosystem so that these users can, or sorry, these application writers can write it once, test it somewhere and have confidence it's going to work everywhere. Because what do we want, what does Hortonworks want? What do the other distribution providers want? We want Hadoop to accelerate. We want it to be adopted and we want it to be successful. The more we can make it easy for application providers for that next layer up to write on top of it, the better it is for all of us. This is the focus we've been hearing about automation, the assembly stuff, the effort to reduce complexities for not only just implementing interoperability's huge, dealing with other open APIs, kind of a unification message. You see, is that something that's happening? I think that's true. I think it's, yeah, how do we make this so that it's just bonehead simple and it'll never quite be bonehead simple, but compared to where it is now, it can be bonehead simple to make this stuff go, right? So we were talking at our Open, it's kind of what the cloud guys, the public cloud guys are trying to do, make it bonehead simple, but not as robust as what's coming, you know, but they get there and things are moving fast. We were making a comparison to the early UNIX days where there was tons of fragmentation.  I don't know, I haven't thought about it. Sorry, UNIX, okay, so let me care about it. No, I think it's okay. I'm basically saying, you know, HP, IBM, blah, blah, blah. I remember those days, I am old enough to remember that. That's why we figure okay. No, I just had to think about it for a second. It's okay, so now, and then Linux comes in, we were sort of saying, well, that's kind of what ODPI is. Except that Linux sort of did it differently, right? Linux came in and just crushed those, right? It's not that it standardized, it had just made them irrelevant and I don't think that's what ODPI is going to do at all, I think what it's going to do is say, here's the way to set these things up so that everybody can use them. Because if you look at our specification, it isn't about have these features, do these things, it's about when you install it, don't screw with the directory structure. When you set it up, make sure these environment variables are set so that as an application, I can find where you put things. Don't change public APIs, which you would think would just, you know, people should know, but surprisingly they don't. So it's a set of standards of how you would lay this stuff out and make it usable. So we're not trying to supersede anybody else or add new features, we're just trying to make it usable. That's where I would say the analogy breaks down. I think to a first approximation, it is a good analogy. Yeah, so that's what you're getting. Let me jump in. That's really helpful. That was my major in undergraduate operating systems, so I remember that vividly. But it's a metaphor to try to frame work around it. So I agree with it, it's not a pure metaphor. It's just like Red Hat for Lint, Hadoop is not a good metaphor for Hortonworks. It can never be the same ever. But it was an operating system contained within hardware, mini computer or whatnot, and fragmented around. So the fragmentation is challenging, but the unification, the thing about Linux at the time that we're comparing to was the solidarity around Linux. The community said, hey, let's not, let's think about the bigger picture. The bigger picture is this fragmentation and these market forces. So if we stick together, we can go provide an alternative and grow and they crushed everyone and made everyone irrelevant, which is totally true. So now we live in an era of APIs. We live in an era of distributed operating system, if you will. So in a way, it's kind of like just a metaphor, but if you take that API base, universal API, so you can get away with standards possibly, but the community coming together. I agree. The community has to come together around this for it to be successful. And I think in that sense, you are right. This does have to be, we start this out as when we go to application providers and end users and pitch this, everybody says, I love that. Can you give me that yesterday, please? Right? And so as we start to prove out our value and as application providers start to say, yeah, we want this, that's how we believe we can grow that community. But I agree. You're right. So I wonder if I could just go one more follow up. So in the Linux world, there was and still is multiple distros, one obviously major one. So there was some initial fragmentation. Are there some similarities there as well? I think there will continue to be multiple distributions. I don't think, at least, well, okay, let me put it this way. I don't think ODPI is going to create a single distribution. That's not our goal. That's, I don't think that we would have any way to have that happen. And I would not be surprised to continue to see multiple distributions. Right, which again, in Linux today, you have multiple distributions. Which is always a room for two or three. I think it's appropriate. So let's get that, you mentioned, everyone wants that yesterday. I love that line, because that's pretty much go faster, pedal faster, catch up, fall behind. So catch up and lead is really the industry's imperative. Everyone kind of wants that, right? Come on, go faster. So what is that pitch that everyone says, I want that yesterday? And what's the updates? Where's the progress bar? What's been done? Can you just take us through that real quick? So here's what we've done. We've split our specifications into a couple tracks. So we have a runtime. First the pitch. First the pitch. Okay, sorry, the pitch, yes. What's the pitch of, what are we going to give? The pitch is kind of three-fold. Like we're hitting three audiences, right? To the distribution providers, the pitch is, we can give you a set of tests that can prove that you meet what we're doing, right? That you get the little gold seal you're approved. To the application providers, which is really who we're pitching to hard, you can write your application. You can test it against our reference building, test it against one of the distributions that are certified and it should run anywhere. Test once, deploy anywhere, just like Java or one of those, right? Which to them is music to their ears. To the end users, it's similar because they tend to be writing their own software. They may be doing their own internal things. I think that's a market where we can maybe do better in the future. We kind of focused on the application providers first. It's just step one, yeah. Yeah, you got to start somewhere, right? But I think that same pitch is going to work for them because everybody customizes this when they bring it in house, right? Everybody writes their own software and they want the same thing. They want it, because honestly, you look at a lot of the big players, they have multiple different distributions. It's not like they just buy from us or just buy from Plotero, whatever. They've got one of each. But two and three are really a developer play, whether they're an ISV or somebody inside the Bank of America. They want reliability. They want to be able to write their own apps, build it in and then push a button, like a DevOps agile way, make it work, infrastructure's code, all that good stuff. Exactly, so okay, so where's the update on that? So we split our efforts into runtime and operations. So runtime is Hadoop proper, HDFS, Yarn, MapReduce, just core old style Hadoop. And with that we have released last month a specification of okay, here's how you should lay this out if you're a ODPI compliant distribution. Here's the environment variables you should have set. Here's best practices you should be following. Included in there are some best practices for ISVs, for app writers, so that they can know that can form. We also released a set of tests so that the distributions can run these tests against their stuff and assert yes, I am compliant. And we've released a reference build so that people can use that to test with. That's out there, ready to download and use. The distribution providers that are part of ODPI are now running their tests against it and we hope to see them release compliant versions relatively quickly. And the outcome there is you'll see some gold stars and some certification, fully approved Hadoop, blah, blah. Yep, seal of approval. Got it, seal of approval, perfect. And then on the operations side, which is focused on Embarie and how you actually install this software to manage that, that's in a draft state. So we have a team working on writing up a spec for that with the plan that by this summer we'll also have specs and tests and all that for that. And that's where some of the friction came in in the marketplace was the requisite for Embarie, right? Wasn't that the... And you know, we addressed that, that was one of the friction points. It wasn't the only one, but it's one. Sure, birding cats. Sure, but we did address that by just recognizing that you know what, not all members are going to be compliant with the operation spec. Some are only going to be compliant with the run time spec and that's cool. Okay, so that's not a deal breaker then? No, it's not. We have members already in there that have just flat out said we don't care about Embarie, we don't use it. We're not going to comply with that. How much market forces are you guys looking at?  I'm sure you obviously, I'm saying not aware, but like there's a lot of stuff going on from that's vectoring in from the market. Cost of ownership, complexity reduction, vendors own specific moves. For instance, I was just talking earlier about you got Oracle running big data sequel now with Wharton works in a huge deal, no one's talking about, but you can actually run 12C with Wharton works without exit data. I mean, that's like, that is a huge deal because that's, you know, Oracle used to have a deal with Cloudera and now you see the multi-vendor kind of playbook again. We've seen that movie in the 80s and 90s. So, you know, this is kind of what's happening now. So that's a pretty big deal, small in comparison to the ecosystem, but it's Oracle, it's got to install base. Sure, it's important. I mean, these are the moves that are going on. How does that impact your role and your team? And... As part of ODPI. So I think what it, it drives all more that the better job we can do of making these distributions low friction for people like Oracle, the easier we make their life, right? Because the reality for them is, and for all these kinds of players is they need to work with all the major distributions. They all have customers that are using all the distributions and we recognize that and want to make that... And that's the whole effort of the whole ODPI. And the thing that, you know, we saw, I saw it yesterday, I didn't have time to talk about it in the intro, Dave, was there's a huge undercurrent of data management push.  Right. Like yesterday. Right. So, you know, I love that line. And because there's an installed base of data warehousing, there's an installed base of data management industries. So this is a big deal. How does all that weave into the mix? So that we haven't really addressed yet. I think that for us is kind of an unaddressed market and that is a good question of we need to figure out how we can make that metadata available to them as well. And all those, the things that kind of go around that. And the reason I would say we haven't addressed that yet is we started out kind of with a simpler, easier vision just so we could get up and going, which was just to do core, just in barry. So we really haven't gotten to a point yet where we're touching those things. Now, we want to bring other projects in, right? And kind of our approach is let's bring in what we think has the biggest bang for the buck. Obvious, an obvious candidate there is Hive, which I'm a little biased to because that's what I look after in most of my day job at Hortonworks. So, but, you know, just up on the 80-20 rule, that's going to be an obvious thing to look at. As we start to bring that in, your question of these metadata managers, security systems, all those things become even more relevant because that's going to interact a lot more. And the security workers are interesting now. You guys are setting the table for that with the security stuff now. Right, but so I think that's a question we haven't answered yet, but we'll start to answer over the next six to 12 months. So the concept basically is to have the energy source sticker, it's okay, it's compliant. But you're flexible in terms of, we talked about EMBAR, are you okay? I'm not going to follow that. So what is it, you're 75% compliant, 80% compliant? No, that's why we split it up, so you can say I'm compliant on the runtime. So I'm runtime compliant, but I'm not compliant on the opposite. Exactly. Okay, period. That's where we- It's a binary, right? Yes, that's where we would go. Yeah, because otherwise 75% compliant. That's like when a software engineer tells you he's 75% done with his company. That just means nothing, right? It means you're in trouble. Okay, good. So yeah, that's very much the goal. And as we bring in things like Hive, we'll probably put that in the runtime pile, right? Because that will make sense. Okay, great. So from the summarize, and how's it going? I mean, what's the reaction from both sort of the developer community and the developers within the customers? So all the customers we've talked about have been very excited about it. One thing we feel like we need is to start to get even stronger feedback from the application developer community, because so far, I mean, this was started by Hortonworks Pivotal, some of those kind of IBMs. IBMs in there, right? Or big early, we're all the distribution providers. We know what we want to do with the dupe, right? So a big area of focus for us is to get, and we do have some application providers, SAS and some data torrents and guys like that that are giving us good feedback. But I think the next thing for us is to really start to grow that part of the community, because that's where we really need the feedback. We need those people telling us, you're making our life hard because of X, fix that, right? And that to us is kind of- And they're under pressure to operationalize their business. And that's where the growth is kind of like hitting that glass ceiling right now. Exactly, and so I think it's gone, I think we've done an okay job of getting those people in. I think we need to grow that even more. That's where I would say our next area of focus. All right, so what's next? Give us the roadmap on your next milestone, what are you guys going to knock down next? So our next milestone is getting the operation stuff out this summer, then we want to have a six month cadence on the specs, because as everybody knows, this world moves at kind of an insane pace. And we do want to bring a little bit of order to that. We're not going to slow down the communities. Obviously we have no desire to do that, but we want to bring some order for these end users. So we want to be really measured about how often we do those updates. And our goal would be then to have another update in the fall and keep up with how the technology is changing. Is Microsoft involved? They have not been involved today. They're not coming in. What's your take generally? Cause you've been, you know, as a co-founder of Hortonworks, you've been in the ecosystem from day one. What's the view of the cloud? Cause the cloud and on-prem hybrid clouds, the cloud generally an operating model, is seems to be really a forcing function on accelerating a lot of the big data apps or companies, which are apps at the same time. Very data-driven, native data across the board. Do you agree with your view on that? Can you share some color on your view of what cloud will do for the ecosystem? I think, so this is all guesswork, right? Yeah, let's be here in the future. Killing the future is a dangerous business, but I'll take my crack at it. No, I think cloud is a forcing function. More and more we're seeing people say, you know, we're just going, either we're going to the cloud first, or we've been told by our CIO that we have to be in the cloud by two years, five years, whatever. So it's definitely a forcing function. I also think it's a real opportunity for providers like Hortonworks because we can start to really simplify things for you, right?  We make sure that works well with the other images. We give you kind of a Lego format like Arun was talking about today with the containers, right? I think that's a real opportunity for us to enable our customers. So to us, it's really exciting. I think it is going to be a good accelerator for the ecosystem. So in the panel this morning, did you hear the panel this morning? I did not. Okay, but so you were riding bikes. So, but I'll summarize and get your take. So the end customers in the panel were essentially saying, public data, public cloud, proprietary data, we're going to do that on-prem. And that's kind of how they broke it down. And I was struck by that saying, is that sustainable? Because from a cost standpoint and just an operations standpoint, it didn't strike me as the long-term strategy. What's your take on that? Well, here's what I've seen. Anytime, the word move is a four-letter word in data. If you have to move your data back and forth, you're in a bad place, I think. And so if you're going to set it up as, yeah, some works on-prem, some's in the cloud, and we have to move data back and forth. I haven't seen that one. But I think that's what they were saying in fairness. Because they were saying basically, public data that's in the public cloud, that's where we're going to run that. But then our data's on-prem. And they did say, well, we're going to only move the jewels back. You know, it becomes that. There was some moving. And I'm like, oh, move it, right? Yeah, everybody says I'm not going to move it. And then all of a sudden I need to do a join. So. Right. But you're working on that speed of light problem right here. Yeah, we got that down, yeah, no problem. Changing the laws of physics, always a good business model. So that's where I see that kind of bounce up against me. More and more, we do see people saying they're okay with the security measures in the cloud. I think that is, I think that is something that we're going to continue to see push on. I think there are people that are going to conclude that they just can't put their data in the cloud and they're going to end up pulling it back or maybe building their own cloud. Or rolling in something like a snowball and stuffing it with data and then shipping it on a truck, is that crazy? It's not crazy one time. It's crazy as a standard, I think, right? I don't think you can do that every weekend. That's not going to give you the latency you want, right? Most of my users. Yeah, it's going to be a one time seating. Right, most of my users complain at me because they can only load their data every five minutes. If it's, I can only load it every weekend when the truck stops, that's just not going to work, right? Okay, so what's the bottom line then? This is a hybrid world in perpetuity? Or are you saying that it's going to be leaning toward public? I think we're seeing more and more shifting toward the cloud, but I don't think we're going to see proprietary go away, right? I mean, people are still running mainframe, so I don't think it's going to completely go away. I do think the kind of center of gravity will shift a bit. Alan, I want to get your take. Final question is, for me, is obviously great success in what this 10 year run has been with Hadoop as an early idea. Now, I'm grocery commercializing in real time. A lot of new stuff happening, so good progress, heartbeat solid across the board. Yeah, it's the pragmatization. It's got to work on cleaning that up. Are you, what do you hope the ecosystem is in the next one to three years? What do you hope it will get to? And at what point do you want to see hit very fast? I want to see it get to a point where people are less focused on the platform where people are more focused on, you know, I want to do analytics, I want to do data science, I want to do ingesting of all my data. And I know this is the place to do all those things. And I know that whatever tools I like on there, they all work well together. That's my kind of dream vision, I guess, is that people become less and less focused on the tech, more and more focused on what tools they want to use and that those tools interoperate. Because I think the real promise of Hadoop isn't that we're bigger or faster or anything, it's really that we can bring that data all together and do the different things. Because you look back in the 80s, we had databases, we had statistical modeling packages, we had all these things, but you had to move the data in between them all, right?  We say ocean. Okay, the data lake. All right, I've seen lake, ocean, barn.  Sorry, I won't say it again. Okay, that's okay. On the cube, I won't say it. All right, that's okay, there you go. But you put it all there and you can get to it and your data scientists can run Spark or R or whatever on it, you can run your cubing and reporting solutions off it through Hive, all that's just there. Make it an enabling platform so that new people can discover stuff and new use cases that will emerge of good data. Yeah, and whatever is the next big tool, because there'll be a next big tool that somebody thinks of, make that work on there too. That's the dream, that's the opportunity and certainly within reach. Thanks for sharing your insight. Co-founder of Hortonworks here inside the cube extracting the signal from the noise, giving a little vision, also predicting of the future, connecting the dots, giving us an update on ODPI and among other things. Thanks, Alan, for taking the time. This is the cube, we'll be right back with more after this short break.