stuff there okay okay but yeah most EFAP streams are on the Molo channel and then you don't have any of the live archives on uh there we go hello we are live hello i will i will start on my end hold on on the old twitch huh yeah but also on kick oh twitch and kick yeah have you got yourself hundred million dollar deal by any chance no i don't have that pull with streaming adam works too hard i mean i would like to just kind of you know watch youtube videos and leave the room and make money a bit oh my goodness here we are yeah i assume i think i've seen you tweet a bit about it but that that got itself a new chapter recently i just i have there's very few people on the internet that i will just publicly say like i don't have any intellectual respect for it all and xqc is one of them what what about the time he said that well they're well that one time i think he streamed overwatch at some point so there you go he yeah yeah but he played winston oh well even i even i know that that does not mean much so i can jump in and click and then i could leave who wow look at me we're not covering the xqc debate yet chat not yet okay gosh you have to wait for that yeah so it is rather amusing do you do you happen to check that out it'll mr kline um yeah i was uh i caught probably 40 minutes worth of it but i like based on how it was like i'd imagine like the entire thing was just like i don't know if i had to watch the whole thing know how the entire thing the highlights where he yells at each other he's bald and the he crawls on the floor doing the verb yeah yeah that was a weird one because it seemed like well i guess i'll hold my thoughts on that for now if we want to talk about that later um i mean you know i don't mind talking about it now if you want as a sort of while we wait for it will come in people are sort of filing in yeah he he has it's really unfortunate because it seems like when people are bringing up legitimate criticisms even if he doesn't find them legitimate in his mind he doesn't see it as criticism he sees it as an attack and so that's why and i i'm doing like a psycho analysis here without any degree but it feels like that's why um his immediate response is to just go like well you've done bad things too right it's you're insecure you're jealous of my success your content sucks yeah yeah so so when you see what he's doing it's kind of a reflection of how he's perceiving what Ethan is doing essentially you know like he feels as though he's being attacked in that way so he's levying it back at him when Ethan is not really doing that uh oh i mean it was funny because it was crossfire with Ethan's criticism with Hasan and as well in that like this podcast he has with him like Hasan was highlighting like i i do stuff like this and Ethan just being like yeah i don't just feeling yeah we all know we all know my my impression is that he kind of gave Hasan some shit at least recently for it um he did apologize for though um i guess because he felt like he came on too hard but yeah no that's how it goes and also yeah he's got like a fucking podcast with him yeah i even just came out swinging with the whole thing and then sort of looked back after it like oh shit i probably should have said nicer things i think he really hates people abusing um i guess transformative content considering all the shit he's had to go through legally yeah yeah it kind of it kind kind of delegitimizes people's honest efforts you know excuse me immediately as soon as he's on kicky streams like the dark night he wonders why they got pissed at him like what what i should just be allowed to the sorry i'm that's a bit too i was gonna say i understood everything you said that's that's more like it there you go because i was about to say you were doing like a kebek y accent but not even xqc is like he doesn't sound like other other kebek people he has his own weird thing it doesn't sound like any other people he doesn't sound like people it is it is a very unique voice uh and it's funny whenever we sort of see him in his natural state you've got tens of thousands of people that are all chill with it but then you put him on like a platform with people around familiar and they're all like what the fuck is he saying he's like i know i mean you you i the first couple times that i saw any kind of xqc on the internet at all i couldn't understand what the fuck he was saying at this point i understand most of what he's saying i think you just kind of have to get used to it you do eventually become a bit of an accent on its own whisperer um the crazy thing is that if you have like about five people then one of them is going to understand the sentence and then they can share with the rest and it's sort of maybe it's like a translation system then at that point if you hear those words sometimes twitter shares these videos where it's like a word is said but if you read one or the other or think about one or the other you'll hear that word because it it's the way it's said it can sound like two different words it's kind of like how he speaks all the time and so if you're not thinking about what he's actually saying then it's really hard to figure it out but hey you know communication yeah um he's a weird one he is and he's just the next chapter it's gonna happen again in years from interval every year i think of it all the major players of trying to point this stuff out like jack films or mudahar or um the dark viper guys is it's all very um depressing like it's not gonna get fixed i mean it's gonna get fixed when it ends in a lawsuit yeah i feel like it takes one company with enough um yeah or individual like you know yeah to to really be to really set that precedent where it's like yeah you can't just steal shit no one wants to be that guy but i think like i mean is it's not as if it isn't really case law already yeah it's it's not as if we don't have other legal examples to point to as to why that's not fair use like ray william johnson lost his oh yeah fair use case right so and and his commentary was more transformative than xqc's but it was still at the end of the day at the end of the day people were watching equals three to get a compilation of new internet videos they weren't really watching for ray william johnson's commentary as much as some people pretend they were um you know his commentary was just like oh wow check out this cool internet video that's blowing up wow that was what happened in the video it's like basically what sniper rolls do it right if i narrate what's happening i can claim it as my own but in a moment on youtube and have a menial jillian views yeah yeah and especially when it's like not even live streamed you know like these are this is you creating yeah something that should you know supposedly transformative but the commentary just isn't there polished product this is their creative yeah yeah well i think i think that there is like an inherent nature to live streaming and reacting to content that like you don't know how much commentary you're going to be able to provide as you're doing it but then yeah the big argument is just okay so then when you upload it on youtube you either get your editor to cut out you know the giant chunks of time where you're not adding commentary where context isn't needed to understand the rest of the criticisms or you just don't upload it as well as you're streaming and you're like oh i haven't said anything in four minutes maybe this isn't the best video for me to react to and i should do something else yeah yeah but people hide behind that people hide behind a lot of things people people just want to steal shit uh where where tibia is saying ray william johnson only lost for one video out of five in the court case i mean that's okay he's still he's still lost right yeah and and and you're right as for as long as there's no repercussions then why would they stop they're gonna get more and more bold yeah the fact that he could stream like a season of anime and then i guess the kick people like hey don't do that and then he's like okay delete the voids whatever like it's weird because you'd have to pay me to watch anime but some people get paid for watching anime why i just like it's a strange world strange world man it's so it's crazy to to think that like even streaming the dark night to like a hundred thousand people you're not well enough yeah yeah yeah like like that's a that's a company like warner brothers could easily suit him for that right yeah they're one of the big you know we're one of the big ones it's crazy crazy you got away with it because like if you want to set a precedent you know it's it's not like oh you downloaded a torrent and then you don't even know how many people like it seeded to or yeah you know all these other clear questions about like damages and like how many people downloaded the movie from this person all that shit like it's a pretty direct like you streamed it to this many people this is how many people watch the movie for free it's pretty it's pretty easy to determine yeah and you think it's pretty straightforward it'd be like the guy streamed to tens of thousands he got a shit ton of money and it was all with content that doesn't belong to him what do you guys want to do about it well we know he's rich we could sue his ass part of it could just be that they don't know i guess and that it's all deleted now maybe you do wonder about the people who run these companies and what they know and how tuned in they are they got yeah i think a lot of it longer i'm gonna buy the old boomers around these companies thing i mean i think a lot of um where they get their info about it is just through like automated systems like content id and if twitch doesn't have or sorry if kick doesn't have that then it might be more difficult for it to get to them because then like what how are people gonna get to it they're either gonna have to be like active on twitter and following the types of people that would be talking about xqc or they're gonna have to like have some sort of direct email chain or dm system that they answer that someone sent to them of x's stream before it got deleted right so i don't know who knows if they saw it well i mean it's an embarrassing mess and the big thing that gets people incensed about it is just seeing those screenshots where they they they're in the search results as well um especially when this video is like yeah knows um yeah haven't seen that one i mean it's probably done promotion for lamino at least all this crazy shit especially with the drummer around it now yeah it was the controversy that did it not the thing itself i think um yeah he hasn't spoken about it at all though uh he hasn't said anything makes you wonder what his thoughts yeah i wonder sometimes you want to ask and i mean it doesn't yeah like if all right well no if you got something else go ahead i was just gonna add like it doesn't matter if there are some youtubers or streamers that are okay with it and find it to be a good thing like you can you can pirate an entire movie and then the creator of that movie could be like oh well i like you i you know this is fine but that doesn't mean that it was like a legal thing to do that doesn't mean that that's like the process that you should be doing and just like oh because nothing happened this time it was there was a call it i think it was the discord that was like why did they have the copyright protection and sort of uh fair use stuff for the dissent when the director was with them surely he gave them permission oh you sweet summer child oh that's how that works no i made it dammit that's my movie that's not what he sounds like you don't own anything in the studio system all righty well uh that that about sums up the horrors of the react stuff that's gonna like i said have another chapter we will uh on the next e-fat we're gonna check out the xqc uh ethand debate we're gonna have dark viper on i'm afraid that is uh an impossibility now so we're gonna have to do it next week more than likely with uh i'm not sure who's gonna come on for it but i'll sort it out no worries the reason this is happening is an impossible don't worry moeller i'll come on i'll i'll bring some um i'll come under our podcast and talk about it scheduling issues and things getting in the way you know how it goes um unfortunate but uh the reason this is happening today as opposed to tomorrow i'll probably upload this tomorrow so it kind of counts as a saturday if it is simply again because of scheduling that's just how things work different people available different you know it's funny i when i told you i could do it today i didn't realize i had my patreon hangout today so i had to change it because i didn't want to be like oh oops sorry i forgot about this so i moved it well you're we're here now we've nailed it it's all done yeah um you're welcome thank you of course and you know what we should probably get started because your time is precious as is everyone's i'm sure i i assumed that this would take a while say i've got a bit of time i'll be like five minutes i've got it blocked i've got it blocked uh okay cool thank you so uh i was just mind and moon business on the interwebs and then i got a couple messages being like oh my god mutually what do you what have you got to say about why am i absolutely destroying drinker and i was like what's going on and i actually thought for a second you made like a mainline video and i was like oh shit why but then it was uploads highlights and then it got interesting too because i think the initial one had uh editing flaws in it or something got taken down so people like speculate yeah it was uh yeah it was missing so i was coming back i was on a flight from like montreal to toronto um and i was listening to it on two times speed just because the video was published just making sure like it's all good or whatever or like you know just kind of also refreshing myself just on the discourse just you know when i'm when i'm at an airport it's when i have the most free time basically and uh then i there's a part of the video where i was like about to talk about the sound of freedom controversy and explain like some of the twitter clips and stuff and then that was missing i was like uh oh and so then yeah olivia uh fixed it there was basically uh like a brb screen for a while that needed to be cut out but uh she accidentally selected the whole previous like fucking half hour so there was a huge chunk missing and so we just decided to reupload it fair enough but a lot of people like why did you do it someone to take it down or is he you make a mistake or something i was just like i don't fucking copyright claims and then because i'm i'm a clever boy i was just like i think it's taken from twitch just go to twitch and that's where it will be did you sub did i no i don't go on twitch i'm sorry it's a scary place to either i that's fine i'm just curious if you had to watch a billion ads while you watch through the bud i uh i think so but i don't really mind it's okay um so yeah we're gonna we're gonna check it out today with yms and see if uh any any discussion can come of this huge war between film review titans on youtube just fucking destroying each other i'm trying to make it sound a little bit more interesting than epically destroyed yeah the facts and logic yeah um you gotta watch together link there i think one of us isn't in here all right hold on hold on let me do this yeah should be able to have some fun about films and all that and all that jazz industry in the room hey i'm in the room uh oh my god he's calling from in the room okay never mind from inside the room okay well there you are so we're gonna have past why am i two and a half hours with pusing yes you know what you signed up for this is normal okay and then we got future why am i so we got past drink a future me past rustle brand future rags future fringy look at current rags i don't know present rags no no no no we got present away oh my god oh my god what is happening i have booked all four of us to be talking minutes from now it's crazy it's gonna come true i swear but uh okay okay yeah see there you go so do i do right which which one am i now present you or do i talk to future you or the future me you'll be losing i'm i'm every day of my life i'm talking to future people that's crazy man it's one of them fill us off what i've noticed is that everything i do future rags complains about so that guy he needs to fucking chill needs to calm the fuck but i've noticed what i've noticed is that every beach turns you old if you think about it oh my god it's the beach that turns you old i haven't seen every beach is old good i suppose all beach it's very it's very bad it's bad enough that i've held off on reviewing it because i wanted to give it a proper treatment i want to do oh you're taught oh shaman on my shaman yeah it's funny it's really really really bad is it a good movie no you just said it's a very bad very what wait from him nine charm along yeah apparently he's done a bad one well i guess i guess and it came out the same year as sa spiral sa spiral was worse though yes that was sa spiral was really bad is that was cool so spiral rather than just sa sa spiral it's from the book of spiral from the book of sa yeah hello hi everyone hi fringy hello hello hi fringy you made it i like sa spiral okay uh i didn't either um i like how strong she is like so your your clicking play will influence things on my end yes if i click play would it influence it on your end i should have yes i should have warned you though you haven't shown the uh the url or anything have you no i don't have anything on my screen good if you want to get the screen i'm just at my webcam if you want to get the screen shown uh just make sure to only show the screen and yes if you pause it pauses sure we pause it pauses you yeah i mean it's all audio anyway i don't need to show the screen okay he probably remembers it yeah by uh he probably remembers it was in the old july of 26 an all time away uh do you want any context before we hit play i was not bald just so we're clear he's context um okay yeah uh uh this was the night before christmas flight to montreal for fantasia film festival which i recently got back from was fun um typically the day before uh i leave somewhere i do like some trailer reactions and just make sure that there's like enough uh stream highlights content to give to olivia just to make sure that there's like constant um uploads on that channel um this particular so the critical drinker is someone that has been mentioned quite a bit in like various communities that i've seen or on like reddit or like someone in like my sardonic cast subreddit was like hey you should have him on the podcast but then a bunch of other people were like no and blah blah blah and it seemed like the discourse was like really divisive around and um i i watch a lot of like political commentary channels and i um i'm really interested in like u.s politics and you know a lot of political pundits some grifters etc etc and so when in my recommended feed i saw critical drinker on russell black russell brand that immediately piqued my interest um and so i was like okay i'll go over this thinking that the length of the video was reflective of what was on youtube and not understanding that it would be like a much longer video but um going in with you know some preconceptions but generally an open mind um not you know i didn't i didn't go into it thinking like i'm making a hit piece but like you know let's see what see what he says see if it matches up with um my uh slice of the pie my my limited perspective on what his channel is which you know anybody's perspective on any channel is going to be relatively limited to some degree so um yeah all right well that's that's what this video is obviously our perspective is more so very familiar with both of you guys and so uh it's interesting to see what it may be said here and there about uh him with with a passing familiarity as well as i thought it was interesting that you said like it's you know the idea of floating him to be a guest on sardonic ass would have been shot down uh you probably make for a pretty good guest i'd imagine and i i feel like it'd be an even uh possibly better experience with there being plenty to disagree about you know at least in theory yeah yeah well um we're doing a bunch of like reorganizing on the podcast so yeah i'm not going to write it off like we'll see what happens i just have to like discuss it with you know the others um uh you guys able to talk about yourselves right a minute by fucking alarm clocks going off which late wake up is it wake up wake up one of those alarm clocks that takes a minute to shut off it's no it's just a minute away that's all it's not on my phone it takes a minute to get a how where is the minute go get it i think i gave an average amount of time it's probably going to take less than the microphone mention but the idea is to give me enough time to return and maybe have like a 20 second you can go do it you know i i'm gonna be back right by now i'm gonna go do it right now well that's the thing going off now it's like it's a bit late alarm clock i don't want your businesses there but yeah one 35 um it's an odd time for it to go off for the sub the bucks guy all right well i'm all ours up for the podcast that was his timer that goes off and case he's late that's his emergency backup timer wow that's uh a lot that's like half an hour off the yeah yeah i told him earlier if you're gonna have a backup timer you might as well have it just set to the same time as your your regular timer there's no real reason for your backup timer to be half an hour after the first one is supposed to go off uh well unless you snooze like you snooze and then then you wake up later you know well you do lose but not with a backup alarm that's the idea right i use my phone as my timer you see that it didn't take me a minute but i gave myself a minute he was to really sprinted it was a minute away he took off like a shot i mean i'm pretty powerful and fast so i can achieve those sorts of things anyway shall we get started i think the format here is that you're just gonna be listening to old yms and then talking to new yms about old yms that's the plan all right right all right here's one um i have not commented on the critical drinker publicly but there's been a lot of talk from people on like the sardonic ass subreddit and like he's definitely wait is there an option to do 1.25 or 1.5 speed uh i think so yeah i actually don't know because i i think we i think we could save a lot of time without play necessarily yeah we can go to 1.25 in case we don't want to go too fast sure like so over two two and a half hours like we're saving like fucking minutes 45 minutes literal minutes 30 minutes um the before we progress too far because of recent drama just want to make sure yms do we have your permission to react to your video uh i mean we're it's you don't need my permission because we're providing substantive commentary and criticism over top of it and thanks uh thanks for uh going with the meme but you are correct i was expecting to just go no that we move on we don't we don't actually yes that is true yeah well the permission of the copyright holder to France that is true like responding to questions with correctly yeah rags that's good that's good that's that's great all right he's definitely a subject of conversation when it comes to online film reviewers because he seems to embody this sort of i if you want my full perspective of like art and viewing art and your experience with art it's it's really just like anybody can have their own experience right and so i've always been open to this idea of like you know even if somebody comes at a film from a completely different perspective as me for is that Russell Brands icon the the purple corvid there the little bird it's just a thing at the beginning i don't know it's an official icon the the fucking the logo on his show is like a big fucking covid ball i thought it was that yeah oh my goodness he uh we'll get it down with the sickness oh no yeah you know various art you know various artistic reasons or even political reasons like i'm kind of interested in that i'm kind of interested in you know especially why the critical drinker has like such a large audience you know why it's relating to so many people um he got like a russell crow interview like russell crow loves his shit oh my god two interviews with two russells true that's true the trifecta now i think it's a fetish to make sure it was russell crow and not somebody else hold on you know like russell crow like just flat out watches his shit which is like really interesting and so like i think it after a certain point like they're having like a full on interview here right uh he looks more and more like Gabe Newell as the years go by i think um his final form didn't give him a del Toro put on a tweet saying as the days go by uh russell crow looks more more like me or something i thought it's funny it's like his dream he'll they'll they'll reach equilibrium brother it's russell crow man and he's right here that's that's kind of interesting right and so at a certain point regardless of how much a lot of people might not like the critical drinker i think it's important to try and understand why he's connecting with people to try and understand what it is about him that is speaking to people in such a particular way where the fact like he's got like almost two millions absolutely the one thing i'm curious about those why would you want to look at a interview with russell brand rather than watch say like two or three of his videos because i because a lot of what people will post it on like reddit and all this other stuff is just like clips from those videos and i've seen a few of them and a lot of the times he'll say something and people will be like oh but he's like playing a character um and i don't know i wouldn't begin to know like which exact videos to watch to get like the best sort of like representative pie of what he is right whereas in an interview um again i didn't go into this with the premise of like let me try to understand everything about critical drinker i was mostly just interviewed sorry interested about this interaction between him and russell brand and just wanted to provide like a little bit of context before clicking on it about what my thoughts on critical drinker are or what my expectations or you know relative degrees of like familiarity or unfamiliarity are just to give some context before i start the video right so um yeah i mean i've seen a few of his videos but i just i don't know so if you like click on my channel like a lot of i don't i don't know what is even representative of my content in terms of like by volume like maybe by frequency it's a lot of like in theater reviews that i don't really put a lot of like heavy amount of like research or uh time spent editing or constructing or jokes into but they're just you know recommendations for things in theaters but you know the selling point of my channel would be like the full yms reviews right yeah um like i would i would say that like the selling point of his channel would be his um why modern movies sucks videos would you say that that it's gotta be the coverage of sort of the mainstream successes and failures of uh hollywood i would argue so like if you watched his dialer destiny video combined with uh maybe like a dead reckoning and then something like the whale that would probably give you a good selection of how he praises how he criticizes and then when he goes off the beaten track slightly i know it's an oscar winner but it i think he covered it before that so is that at the very least okay um yeah i i i will say um before we even get to it like the one thing that i'm definitely giving you guys a point on is like um when i made this video uh i was under the impression that like his recommendations were purely limited to the ones with uh recommends in the title and then between you know you messaging me and me being on this stream you know i scrolled down the channel a bit you know trying to see if i can maybe get in like one or two more videos before having this conversation and i noticed that there's other you know there's other videos where he's like recommending other films that are just not you know i scrolled down the list using the search term recommends because i thought that that's how he categorized his videos but there are a bunch more and also i will also say this um i read the title of boiling point but i got it confused with the movie hard boiled and boiling point is a lesser known movie that i haven't seen yet that i would like to a brilliant film that i highly recommend yes it's supposed to be like a winner right yes that is pretty impressive one i think yes very impressively shot yes everyone go see probably watch that soon yeah highly recommended really good stuff um but yeah so if someone was to say like ask a lot of questions about your career slash what you offer slash why are you popular i probably would point to them funnily um it depends on which time they have a course if they're like i got half an hour i'd be like hmm maybe half an hour of the lion king video um would quite capture what they can get from you at least why i would argue your popular compared like it's not that people don't like your um your uh quicky reviews but i don't think people think of that at your best no no i i would say that like um the stuff that gets the views and the stuff that like sells the channel is a lot of what is on the most viewed tab for me um but there's also stuff that i personally really like i i really value the like yearly list videos i think that those are very useful for people and uh like well presented generally i haven't done one in a while but i'm trying my best to catch up on that um and then like certain analysis series like synecdoche new york again gotta catch up on it but just been fucking hey that's deliberate it's thematically relevant it is it is deliberate and thematically relevant um so yeah uh i guess all i'm trying to say here is that i would have advised against checking out his interview with russell brand if you wanted to understand drinker because uh this is gonna be as you'd expect several questions delivered by someone who doesn't know who he is not really looking for him to answer them as opposed to just having him say stuff and then moving on so so would you are you like do you share my perspective that perspective that russell brand is kind of like a grifter um i'm not gonna go that far i just because i'm not familiar enough with his stuff i just wouldn't recommend this as a good dive into if me and drinker did an interview maybe i would recommend that because i would be desperate to get all the information out of him but even then i probably just going through his actual videos you know like three of them yeah okay sure his typical videos yeah that's why i'm saying that it's like they're like 10 minutes yeah um yeah yeah people question i don't know i don't know anything about russell brand at the end of the you know at the end of the stream on that day uh i'm trying to imagine like the alternate universe where i was like oh i'm gonna go through like four or five of critical drinkers videos or something right i feel like that i well you know maybe maybe it would be this way maybe it wouldn't be but like my feelings about it is like i feel like that would appear as more of like a like kind of a deliberate like searching for a particular um outcome sort of thing whereas like my understanding of like just a full interview even if it is with russell brand um you know like you're kind of just give it it's like a podcast format where you're given like any number of kind of free for opportunities in time to just kind of like explain your positions on things and based on what he explained in this interview and uh i guess i guess we'll just keep playing the video but like based on what he explained in this video it's like i don't know there's uh there's some things where if he didn't if he didn't mean that then he didn't say it you know and if it's if there's somewhere else on his channel that he meant something different then i would like to be pointed towards it but yeah okay we'll get we'll get to it when we go there it's yeah all i'm saying is that russell brand's not uh no offense to him again don't know much about him um i don't think he's listening that hard he he's like it's a guest i asked to ask them sort of basic questions as well as stuff that relates to russell's interest in him to some extent but i think you even notice like there's some answers drinker gives that you could easily ask him more but russell brand just moves on because he's an interviewer he's just like right time to do this time to this even to the extent i'm not sure he notices whether or not his question was fully answered sometimes because it's just presented as you speak now there's at least one question where he like he asked him again like later in the interview right yeah yeah no that's the thing i do think he kind of just provided the same answer to he not only pays somewhat attention but he also seems to actually have some level of investment in drinker's channel i'm not sure exactly what it is it's just the there's a dynamic happening and they've got to keep things moving that's what i'm saying okay it's got almost two million subs like the guy's doing fucking great and most of what he's talking about is essentially just like hollywood's woke right and so is it not strange that you said that while also conceding you haven't really seen any of his videos other than maybe could you say like three or four from i mean yeah from the sample size that i have and when i say that i have checked out like i don't mean like oh i clicked on a video that you know thread of people dunking on him or something like i've just i've i've clicked on his some of his videos out of curiosity i've went to his channel and clicked on some random ones and you know maybe not finished every every one of them because it's not really my thing but um the perhaps perhaps we find some disagreement uh with me using the term woke but i think that i don't know if we're gonna disagree that much that we're kind of talking about the same thing right like he has an entire video on how men are improperly used in film and yeah you can't have you can't have men doing like yeah yeah yeah um if you were asking me though because i i've pretty much seen all of his videos the uh if you ask me what does he focus on i'd say oh it's pretty much writing you'll always uh in every one of these videos primarily talk about the stories and uh being told the you know sometimes you'll talk about filmmaking in a little bit more depth but i mean it is 10 minutes so you get what you understand you'd get do you do you feel like even even with writing as the focus do you feel like there's like kind of a political slant or angle to it not necessarily like a nefarious one or like a like a dishonest one but just one that you know attracts an audience of people that might want to hear um you know i'm not saying he's grifting but like just invariably yeah his so his thing is that um there's a sort of point of view in hollywood that's uh way too popular that gets uh primarily focused before writing does and that he thinks that it like as a core as a foundation that goal will destroy a lot of what you can create with stories because you'll automatically prevent yourself from doing particular things um for like stereo examples it would just be like the doctor strange wasn't allowed in wander vision because kevin feige said you can't have a white man saving the day when it's uh about wonders it's wander's story you don't need to phrase it like that to argue storytelling yet they did you uh you have like the boy's mave wasn't allowed to die even though she clearly should have died because she was uh bisexual they're like we can't bury a gaze that sort of stuff like basically um concerns about matter or societal issues that bleed into your writing so hard that they like they just create contradictions and fuck ups so so would you agree that we're essentially talking about the same thing even if um we are like it's just that uh i wouldn't describe drinker that's what he primarily does i would say he reviews films from a point of view of writing quality or entertainment first okay um so would you say that the majority of his content doesn't like reflect that at all but the the majority of what gets talked about of his content is that yes in the same way that everyone says what mohler does is talk about how objectively correct he is like it's it's a complete fuck up it just represents the people who like it's unfortunate how many people don't watch the channel at all be it me or drinker or yourself and they'll have they'll have this takeaway that's absolutely fucking alien it's like that's not at all what it's talking about i'm familiar with that yeah and that's that's why i think i said to you that um i don't find your i i completely understand why you would have said what you've said because it makes sense that people would have told you over and over again that this is the case like that's that's okay i still i i i do still have like criticisms in that realm though uh but we'll i guess we'll get to them my biggest crit the critical drinker as a person that has not watched all of his videos obviously um but as a person that's seen you know like i've clicked on a fair amount of things and maybe not recently but i've clicked on a fair amount of things uh and have essentially just walked away with the idea of like okay you're a person creating film reviews for like the average audience member but not like one that's like really into film is like an art form is that like an incorrect thing to say like yes uh he's very invested in the art form yes okay but i guess i i i would also i would also i guess clarify that there's different thresholds of what people would consider to be like art form versus you know like film is entertainment um and sure entertainment is an art form um and i'm not saying like oh yeah like everybody has to fucking enjoy synecdoche in new york or something um but you know i got it i got like a good amount of comments from people that watch both of our channels mine and drinkers um that you know our fans of the both of us uh agreeing with that sentiment at least that like um my channel is more focused on uh like art house films uh or like film as an art form and exploring that um whereas the drinkers channel although you know talking about writing writing is a part of the art form um it is for a much more broad audience uh of average filmgoers not saying that as an insult i guess but you know that helps to describe uh the amount of people connecting with it too out of curiosity would you say that most other channels would you say that we you will do not care about the art form as opposed to the entertainment i don't i i didn't make that claim i don't think i'm asking that that's the case i don't i don't believe so you don't believe wait sorry i mean i mean i don't believe that you don't care about film as an art form to clarify what i'm asking is you seem to have concluded that he doesn't uh care for the art form versus the entertainment factor would you say the same of our channel i i think that that is uh rephrasing of what i said i don't i don't think i said that he doesn't care we can go let's go if you want to rewind we can i said don't care compared to the entertainment factor no i but well care is a very strong word because that implies a level of intent okay whereas i i've never i didn't attribute that so i i i just think that invariably like someone's tastes right a lot of people can a lot of people don't want to watch a lot of the movies that i'm interested in right uh huh um and critical drinker does have a mass appeal by you know a lot of what he focuses on focuses on is like owned by disney right um and that's not to say oh he doesn't care at all about film as an art form i'm just saying like comparatively towards you know a lot of other well you might be right um but i might have misunderstood what you said if you will play one more time just be sure it's member but not like one that's like really into film is like an art form but people who are not into film is an art form well into is it can can describe like a pretty big range you know so like into comparatively so to better understand if i'm compared to like my channel okay but does that mean then you would say like if i'm all are not really into movies as an art form or film i wouldn't say not really into i would say like from from my limited perspective of like the types of movies being covered across everyone's channels um i would say that that there is more of an entertainment value focus on channels that primarily um you know that that the more of the more of a slice of a pie that a channel makes up of focusing on you know like disney movies and like just in your face like this is what's advertised to you so everybody's already kind of having discussion on it um i would say that there is more of a like an art form focus on channels that you know talk about more subversive or artistic or uh challenging or against the grain or because because to me that's what art is is like you know but i assume you do somebody something new right like if if there's so much familiarity in in an art form it's it's not it's not really art anymore for me now and i'm not saying that is like a an absolutist statement i'm just saying that is like a comparative statement like you put an incredible amount of weight in sort of how things push the bounds or do something that is yeah because otherwise what's the point what's the fucking point of art like i don't want to see the same shit over and over again like it's not it's not art if it's if you're just consuming the same thing over and over again right so this is this is like kind of partially like a philosophical uh kind of conversation right but well i a question do you believe that like basically all movies are arts and that they vary in terms of being i mean bad or well here i could i could say i can go for it i think every like you if we're if we're talking about like definitions or the philosophical definition that i would have i would say everything's art i would say life's fucking art right uh so when i say that something's like more or less art it's in the same vein as saying you know there's no there's no true objectivity but something can be more or less objective right you can you can have someone in the jury for uh like a crime and it's like okay they know the victim that's less objective than someone who doesn't know the victim sitting on the jury although no one is truly objective right so there's varying degrees of scale without being absolutist about it i think that i think that anything and everything can be considered art but i i would argue that the more artful uh pieces of media that exist are the ones that are not showing us things that have already been shown before i would you um i would you define art if somebody was to ask you what you think art really like is if someone was asked what is art what would you what would you say just as a broad sort of you know casual thing to say to him um it's whatever it's whatever someone makes of it right so if it is whatever um someone experiences that can have them think about something in a different way right like this conversations art like it literally is like we're pre we're producing video content and it doesn't even necessarily have to be like a conversation in a real room with someone can be art uh something that can can influence or alter your experience on this planet and have you think about something i think that's that's art and so so then yeah i mean like it holds true to my um statements that you know the less the the more familiar and the more recycled something is i feel like that's less artistic because it doesn't make you think about anything because it's just it's just the same shit over and over right so but i don't know i don't know if we should get i don't know if we should get stun locked on this though i don't do the whole two minutes through the stun locked one guide thing i fucking hate twitch culture for that we're just talking about what we talk about okay so the critical drink it would you say i'm just i'm just saying i don't want it to be 12 efforts you can uh obviously you feel free to spend as much time or as little as you want but i was gonna say the drink it from what you said do you think the audience takeaway is that he doesn't really concern himself very critically about the art form from what you said um i i don't think that his audience feels that way but i think that there's a lot i think his audience i think there's a higher percentage of people in his audience that don't care about film as an art form in the way that i would uh compared to my audience which is i think a very fair thing to say so i think that he very much does but that those who watch movies just to be entertained are very much going to gravitate toward his channel as well so i think that's fair yeah because it's a very uh the types of media that he talks about generally are very like widely well known and appealing and also also like and this is not to say that this therefore means his content is bad or that he's grifting but there is there there's a big portion of his uh well i don't know how big but there's you know larger than channels that don't talk about uh like i guess culture war kind of things or at least have the uh lens of it reflected in in the content there's a there's a higher percentage of people in that audience that are not necessarily interested in film so i talk i will wait for it in the video but i i talked anecdotally about um somebody that i know that kind of fell down like a conspiracy rabbit hole and like the content like they get their news from like bit shoot basically and the only film channel that they even knew about was the critical drinker and they're like oh yeah i like his videos and it's not because they care about film as as an art form it's because there's kind of a uh implied whether intentional or not by the drinker whether intentional or not there is kind of like an implied uh level of intent uh from this we could say the filmmakers we could say the studios we could say corporations we could you know some people might even imply like the government or something but there's this overarching sort of like um you know we talk about how men can't be presented in this way there are people that watch his channel i'm assuming this but i i don't think that it's an unfair assumption i think that there's a there's a good chunk of people that watch his channel that probably that that aren't the type of person that think that uh there's like a nefarious plot to try and like feminize men right like there's people that believe that and i'm not saying that critical drinker is the reason why they believe it but that there's enough of that sort of conspiracy shit going on on the internet that his channel is not through any necessarily any intent of his own but his channel is kind of like reaffirming those beliefs in a way without directly saying it and again i'm not saying he's being like sneaky or manipulative or or like crypto but i'm saying that like just because those things exist uh those those different beliefs because they exist and because they essentially complement each other in terms of how uh the the what's the word the uh like perspective of the channel the the premise of a like a some of the content on the channel it seems to complement uh itself in that way like those two types of demographics i mean to draw us back though uh because what you've said now about the context of what you're talking about here sounds way more reasonable and and accurate the only trouble i'd have now is the i assume you'd agree that this applies to 99.9 percent of youtube film reviews channels 99.9 sure what yeah like that i'm talking about a very specific like we're talking about like uh i'm not talking about the feminizing stuff i'm talking all the way back about what you said focusing audiences that are drawn in for entertainment oh sure yeah right yeah there's people that watch my videos for the memes yeah i'm i'm i'm not as much concerned about like um you know like we could jeremy fucking johns talks about only popular movies you know like it's it the the the premise of what i'm talking about the the only reason why uh the critical drinker is like a subject of conversation for me and it makes it interesting is not just like oh he covers popular movies uh most of the time and doesn't go to film festivals or whatever it's that it's that through the lens of which him covering those films it's not just oh there's people uh that are looking for entertainment it's that there are people that have this uh very bizarre conspiracy theory of how the world works and that there's someone trying to change culture in a way uh for nefarious reasons and again i'm not saying that critical drinker believes those things or is even aware uh that he's his content is necessarily complimenting those things but you know like the the the the a lot of the takeaways of his videos are a lot of the lens through which he uh creates his content is essentially like okay like male characters can't be presented like this because you know they're trying to uh they're trying to correct a perceived uh problem of how male characters have been represented um and and since there's a lot of it that that does talk about that i i feel like those types of people are getting what they want out of his content and again it doesn't mean that uh he's doing anything like dishonest that doesn't mean that he's intentionally trying to play towards them i'm just trying to stay squarely within the context of introducing the channel as a channel for people who aren't really into the art form or so into the entertainment and that if that's true with what you've said i just want to clarify that that is the vast overwhelming majority of channels on youtube arguably including my own if we were to simplify it without the context of that other conspiracy stuff that i'm talking about then yes okay but as the as the video as the highlight yeah we can we can tack a little one by one i do clarify and talk talk about it more if is that like an incorrect thing to say like i know people personally that don't know anything about movies but they know who the can i pee now while while the video is just meets saying what i just said okay i'll be right back you can keep playing everything like there's people so one of my friends has a sibling who is uh who has fallen down kind of like a conspiracy rabbit hole and gets their news from like bit shoot oh my gosh it's like an echo and are like concerned about like how george soros is going to make people eat bugs or something and like i i talked to her and her boyfriend trying to like have like a common great because like you know i'm not i'm not going to confront people directly about these sorts of things like i'm more interested in like learning who they are and understanding them and like even if they're like they have wildly different beliefs and are insane you know i i just i tried to relate to him and just you know her boyfriend and just being like you know what sort of things you watch on youtube you know like film stuff and he's like oh i watch i watch the critical drinker and that will always leave an impression on me the fact that like this guy who well i'm not sure well i don't know how much we should say while he's gone but because the critical drinker has such broad appeal many many people will be in that you know in that's in that group of all kinds of walks of life and of interests like my my dad my dad watches critical drinker and he's just there's a huge amount of that he's just very easily digestible content not that it's bad or anything like that but it you know because of the size of it because of the you know i think of drinker's talents in the way that he talks about videos and or movies and because he does have a passion for it all sorts of people can watch his videos and be you know satisfied and learn things and beg you'll consider it insightful so um so you've just mentioned this uh friend of a friend or whatever that um has a lot of sort of conspiracy brain sort of things but also happens to watch critical drinker um do you think that's a fair thing to bring up before we've seen anything to do with drinker yet um i mean if i was trying to present it as anything other than just an anecdotal experience but i i didn't i made it pretty clear and i even use the word anecdotal and i yeah i mean it's more about going through the video and seeing right sorry you did say that it stuck with you that yeah because that's a very bizarre thing to hear from from someone did you ask is it they didn't even know about your channel i asked i i thought that they would have known about your shit because you're like associated with like if he did they didn't even know about your stuff if he did i doubt you'd say at the beginning of checking out my channel like by the way there's a friend of a friend who knows about conspiracy shit that watches molar it's like okay well no but i mean because i if he did it would be through critical drinker maybe but i guess i guess you're saying hypothetically if he brought if he brought you up i mean like that would give me somebody to think about i'm not sure i would come away with the same like uh i'm not gonna say conclusion because i didn't really make a conclusion but same preconceived notions but i i guess i'm trying to could you see someone reviewing your channel and just starting up the review with like i know someone who's essentially kind of crazy who watches yms and that's always stuck with me well i mean if my content was frequently criticized for being like really culture worry kind of sort of thing like whether or not we're gonna say like critical drinkers content is that like it it aligns with like a larger public perception right so that's why it's relevant for me to bring up if um is this the thing if the content in critical drinkers videos was just one to one with everything that friend believed and then you showed that there'll be you'd nail it um obviously the problem is that there are things people say about all of us here and if you open your video with that or an anecdotal experience that matches that yeah we shouldn't treat it like that was my like opening statement of like a thesis though like we should like i'm just i was just again i was just saying what i knew of critical drinker in my own personal anecdotal experiences i've had saying that i clicked on a couple videos that some people in the subreddit were mad about him and i just i it would be yeah i felt like that was worthy of mentioning especially with the frequent caveats and clarifications that i make throughout this entire stream trying to you know very delicately insist that i that i am not trying to misattribute any sort of like anecdotal experiences as fact and i'm trying you know i i bring up like things that i preconceived ideas that i have about his audience and i you know constantly clarifying throughout the video that i that i uh am not necessarily attributing the beliefs of his audience even to him so i yeah i think you know i don't i don't know what else i could have done i probably um like if it were me i would the overall fairness that i'm trying to present to the conversation and open mindedness i think that i did a you know build on to it and way better than most people probably the the way to go right because the the bigger problem as well is that your um your audience as you've already mentioned is quite ready to believe a lot about drinker and what he's up to in fact they would have told you a lot of stuff that some some people in my audience mostly from the sardonic subreddit okay that's the combination of my audience and two other people's audience to give you an example if um if for the first time ever we were to cover vorsch reviewing a film our audience would be incredibly inclined against him just from different things i've had in the past same for a lot of creators if we were to cover let's say uh you know a friend of drinkers everyone being inclined toward them more than likely just natural biases so you know yeah i'm saying your audience i assume you agree is inclined against a drinker a critical drinker uh not not what you not i mean the maybe half like if you look look at the top comments on the the video right now the number one is like um on the the highlight video the number one is like this here's an unbiased uh summary for people uh that didn't have the time and it's it's like a very fair like oh adam agrees with drinker on this and critical it's not like you know like that's that's that's like the most representative sample of my audience is that i you know me and as you can see through that stream and as you can see through this conversation um the type of thoughts that i put out into the world are ones where i'm uh constantly encouraging uh trying to understand other people trying to be fair and trying to uh you know even if i have biases saying those biases recognizing those biases and seeing if being open to having those biases contradicted or being open to uh new information even if i have a preconceived idea about somebody else and i feel like that is more representative of my audience singularly um and let's think about this for a second too even with a lot of people that you know as soon as you make a video criticizing someone else on the internet it's going to be flooded with people that are just like you know already don't like the person and they're just looking for more justification so the point i'm not just so they can add to the the whole thing right i'm not trying to prove to you even with that like the comment section is very fair and reasonable for the most part um i'm not trying to prove to you that your audience is even unreasonably going in any particular direction all i'm highlighting is that it's not the greatest idea to put something like that before covering anything to do with drinker with an audience that's already arguably inclined against him i don't believe that that i well i would say over half of my audience is probably not like even neutral i would say it's not a good idea for but okay i mean i would want to do the same will agree to disagree i'd want to do the same for you and for anyone else if i was like we're gonna cover some rags videos today and then i'd like just reference how someone crazy likes rags just seems unnecessary yeah that'd be weird yeah but i mean like it's reflective of my like it's it's me being honest about my bias right it's me it's me giving more information in context about my frame of mind going into it so that if i say something potentially unfair or if i have um you know a direction that not my mind is going that it could be influenced by something like an anecdotal experience that i had with someone and i want that information to be out there so that if let's say something happens in my brain where i'm being uh led by that belief in a certain way or led but like if i wouldn't want to start the video being like i have no thoughts about critical drinker i haven't heard anything about them like i wouldn't i wouldn't want to like pretend like i'm a completely neutral subject i think that it makes more sense and it's more fair to share my biases before starting a video so is it not possible to simply say um i've heard a lot of negative things about the channel and what it gets up to what it argues and so today we're gonna check out something he says see what happens well i mean based on your issues with what i'm saying i don't know how it's any better to just be vague about it like because when you that i said something negative before i started the stream i don't know how it's better to be vague if you talk about someone who believes in like crazy shit and then says that they're a fan of drinker the the connection is the drinker supports the crazy shit no because i i made very clear to make clarifications in my stream that that's not what i was saying so so you brought it up just as a random connect it has nothing that that isn't the connection you're trying to i didn't say random i explained i explained two sentences ago why i brought it up it's for context so that people have more information before going into it but sorry so you don't you wanted to bring up that he is a person who believes in like crazy stuff and that he watches the drinker but that those two facts are not connected hmm you want to know that that was that's my anecdotal experience is that is that there's people that exist in his audience at least one right um that our conspiracy brain and have somehow found his channel despite their entire media diet being like rumble and bit shoot which you know more people from rumble are coming to his channel because russell brand just had like this interview that of russell brand the full thing was on rumble so there's going to be even more of those types of people russell brand is not a film channel right like russell brand is is a person that that the entire reason why he's successful right now is because he was doing like a lot of like covet conspiracy shit and you know stuff that wasn't allowed on youtube um and he kind of russell brand very in my opinion very consciously plays into uh his own audience capture and knows what people want to hear and is essentially just grifting making money off of doing that right uh and i'm not saying that that's what critical drinker is doing and i make very clear in my stream that that's not what i'm saying so my my bringing up the conspiracy person that i had a face-to-face conversation with in my life um my bringing up was just me being like hey my impression of critical drinker and his content and his audience even though i haven't seen everything is that there are some people a somewhat sizable portion compared to other people's audiences that are not necessarily listening to him for his perspective on film but are uh using his channel as a way to justify their preconceived ideas about how there's some sort of conspiracy trying to control society that they're trying to feminize men that they're trying to prevent you know make you eat the bugs even though that's that one's a little bit further removed but yeah i mean yeah i don't if if you don't understand uh the you know why i would say something like that like i hope you i hope you don't think that it was uh you know malicious because i i didn't think it was but if you do i guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree i think you said it entirely non-maliciously just casually i just think the strategically speaking it um it's not fair to drink it that's what i think okay so every single thing that he consumes online is just like purely conspiracy content the only film channel he could name was the critical drinker and he's like oh yeah i like you know i like the critical drinker and that was it and all he knew about movies was just that movies are woke now and that i guess the powers that be like some sort of like overarching force that's trying to like like they're trying to like make your kids trans or something and sure that's one person i get it like it it maybe it's not representative of every critical drinker fan i get it um but but there's something there's something about his content that just like so actually now i'm kind of confused because the statement is i know a friend he doesn't know any movie reviewers other than drinker and he believes these things like what is the conclusion from from that line of thought you know i i explained it sentences ago i'm sorry i can't keep repeating myself that this that's not a diss i'm trying not to sound disrespectful but uh you can play back the stream later i'm sorry oh yeah it's well it's it's i don't know it's just that um if you didn't have that like just based on that sentence on its own if you hear it it's like kind of leads you to a very place i i understand why you feel that way but i disagree and i've repeated myself more than once i'm sorry we have to move on this is we're five minutes through a two hour and a half video like this is this is the type of shit where you would you would expose people who don't really care about movies to only care about movies through like a purely political lens right like a lot of his videos are just are just like okay movies are bad now because because there's woke things and woke people are doing it right like that that you know like i wish i wish that i could i wish that i could expose someone like this to more films i wish that i could expose someone like this to like having a healthier media diet because it seems like the type of you consider his media diet unhealthy um i mean it could be healthier if most of what he's watching is unhealthy in this format meaning varied uh cool you know but yeah i mean like i said at the beginning of the stream that that was one of my misconceptions that i can easily give you a point on he recommended a lot more things than what i scrolled through because it was categorized under a different title okay so i'm not i'm not i'm not gonna try to argue that like he doesn't check out things that are you know against the grain or uh you know smaller films that aren't explicitly disney films that was a misconception on my part so sure okay person that thinks that all movies are bad now like what is what is the name of your series right like why modern movies suck right like that's a series on the channel why modern movies suck you know it's not necessarily that modern movies suck it's that there's a handful of like popular studio modern movies that suck and if you go back in time you go back in time to like you know whenever you think that the golden age of movies is 90s 80s 60s 50s whatever like you'll realize that there's a lot of things that were a financially successful and b nominated for a bunch of academy awards that were also shit right and we're left with this sort of like i don't know much we want to spend on this but um i am uh in agreement with drinker that we're in an unprecedentedly bad time for mainstream movies being of a quality that's lower than in my experience has ever been in any particular decade keyword being mainstream cool but i i think it's important to to recognize that like most movies from any decade are are just not worth watching like they're all a lot of them are just like really bad uh sure and um of course drinker would only ever be referencing mainstream hollywood he wouldn't be referencing indy or the market as a as an enormous hole yeah um i think i think something to keep in mind here is that like if if let's say we're going through this whole thing we're having this whole conversation and i am saying something like okay well here's here's my misconception and here's why um i think that that is also like kind of a helpful way to learn why there are a lot of people with that same perspective uh on critical drinker because i don't think it just like comes from nowhere right so if i if i'm a person that doesn't want to watch through every single one of his videos um and you know he's a part of public discourse or internet discourse or something right and people are you know always have opinions on things that they haven't like watched every video from um the series title why modern movies suck doesn't really you know it kind unless he's making uh clarifications in those videos saying like oh i don't mean modern movies i mean specifically studio modern movies which i don't think he correct me if i'm wrong but i i don't know if he makes that clarification often or as much as i wouldn't say like he definitely does or doesn't but like all of his references will come from modern big studio movies yeah yeah so i'm saying that with that title it's no surprise that one could be under the impression that he thinks that you know modern movies suck as like an entire generation of movies and not just a generation of studio films right you mean like having not watched the videos though well i mean even with watching the videos does he clarify like so you you've watched the videos well i said i'm not sure if he does i'm saying the title the title says why modern movies suck it doesn't say why modern studio movies suck right so i'm just saying i'm not saying that that's what he's saying i'm just saying i'm giving an explanation for why sure if um if we were to go literal though he would still be accurate right he could have said why any particular era sucks it wouldn't be an inaccurate statement because they've always sucked in some way shape or form yeah but the implication when you say why modern movies suck isn't why modern movies suck and also every other decade sucks it's specifically why modern yeah but what i'm saying is that very clear there's nothing wrong with saying why modern movies suck if he said why all movies today suck like that would be fair but saying why modern movies suck there are modern movies and some of them suck he's talking about those like there's no reason not to infer it that way i wouldn't be surprised if you made a video called why modern movies suck and you go over like studio practices i think we're talking about different things because you were talking about why it should be inferred that he's talking about modern movies and i was talking about why people infer that he's talking specifically about modern movies independently from other generations which are two different things right um like you're saying it should be interpreted as modern movies suck without any context to any other generation i'm saying that the title very you know explicitly implies modern specifically without making any real you know even within the content of the video like the the clip shows that he plays you know there's it's all probably from wrong but i think older films from like the base interpretation for what he's why mon movies suck i think that the base interpretation of that is he's going to be talking about movies from the last 10 years at maximum more than likely you're saying that he's talking about all of the films more than likely that you know that's what you're inferring from that well i would say if we're going to take him literally like why modern movies suck meaning all of them then i'd be like well he has every right to say they suck just like he could with every generation like i feel like it's unnecessary i'm sorry i don't mean to interrupt but we're we started talking about different things and we have to okay we have to keep playing because it would be too much to try and untangle what we're both talking about here a financially successful and b nominated for a bunch of academy awards that were also shit right and we're left with this sort of like bias of what we think the past is because we only remember what is the greatest you know most influential memorable classic things of the time period right so you know i think that's a fair observation in terms of like people don't you know like when you think about the films that you like from the past you're not always necessarily going to be thinking about the ones that were shared but i mean come on look at the marvel cinematic universe right now it's awful but that's the answer is in within what you just said it's within what you just said look at the marvel cinematic universe that's not i i'm looking at the whole broader scope of films you know it was a good fucking year for movies 2014 you know it was a really good fucking year for movies 2019 okay there's like there's like there's there's you know a lot of great shit coming out i just like i don't i think that it's observations that i'm trying to make there is like these films are really bad like they're really really really bad and consistently to a degree that is shocking compared to yeah and it wouldn't matter if he's talking about marvel or not if he's going to be referencing how marvel used to like 2008 to 2016 i know we're far better it's not but like that's that is why marvel movies suck no but that it's not about marvel it's about how that's one of the prisms of many that we can compare modern marvel to past marvel we can compare modern stars to past stars and you can pay all the ip's that way and that they've gotten staggeringly horrific compared to their old versions live action remakes to the disney renaissance animated films it it feels so incredibly disney brained and i'm just trying to i'm trying to encourage online discourse about film that just like i mean yeah there's if you want to go for franchises that have a point of these are really good points of reference because you have films in those franchises that existed 20 30 40 years ago like the whole reused ip thing is like a particularly bad thing right now like that that's like that's one thing that's very specific to this generation right exactly which i imagine i could believe that there's one of these videos in this series that is referencing the reuse of old but i mean that's not an unreasonable point and it's not unreasonable to say like why modern movies suck these franchises get dragged out like the the grave gets dug up and then they parade the corpse around to make more money now like that that could be pointed to as a sort of uniquely modern at least you know we're talking about the film industry right now yep um that's fair and so yeah like uh just just to clarify do you think in terms of decades that we're in a pretty damn bad one overall compared to others or not if we're talking about all film no no we're not it is easier for independent artists to create films than it ever has been before people are shooting films with fucking iPhones right we're talking about like quality yeah quality yeah the quality is fucking fantastic right now like if you if you haven't this is exactly what i talk about in the video like if you're if your film diet is narrow to the point where most of what you're talking about is just like franchise ip is it's the same thing like if you were to say look at the fucking gaming industry right every triple a studio right now is fucking dog shit micro transactions like greedy business practices just so unethical predatory bullshit right and what's different about the gaming culture versus the film culture is that one random guy make an undertale or Minecraft or fucking you know like any sort of like indie game or whatever you can publish it yourself on the internet you can market it yourself on the internet because gamers are all like internet people you can post post it on fucking reddit you have a successful game everybody knows about undertale everybody knows about Minecraft the independent gaming scene is what i would like to see the film scene as but right now everybody's talking it's everybody's talking about the equivalent of triple a gaming for movies and my frustration is like damn there are all these fucking amazing indie movies that exist in the same way that there's all these amazing indie games that exist but people don't talk about them in the same way that they talk about indie games right it's it's less accessible to people because there's a higher barrier of entry for getting your film funded for getting your film seen for getting it seen legitimately like jule havers releasing his own films on youtube and those do decent for like a youtuber but they don't have the same legitimacy as like getting a studio back like professionally distributed film in a theater there's still a social stigma against just oh releasing your movie on youtube and it needs to you know there's a financial incentive you need to make your money back and it's more difficult to do that in in terms of the film you're not talking about quality you're talking about production options yeah i'm saying the quality is fucking amazing and no you're saying that loads of people have access to create and now we're getting plenty of options in terms of good thing of course more good things will be made if more things are being made but now there is going to be an enormous sludge of terrible things as well i know you'd agree with that and what what a bad game what you're saying that made but there are also a lot of the good indie games as well right like look at steam and all of those like the torrent of terrible video games uh everywhere yeah okay well well then i i guess if i were to try and you know quantify the entire scope of every movie in every game like my my version of saying oh yeah the year's fucking great they're still mainly this decade's great they're still making great shit my my premise of saying that is based off of the media that i consume no one can play every game no one can watch every movie no one has like an objective true firm grasp over like what the overall slice of the pie of like bad to good is so yeah i think i think that by saying that like most movies are bad now in a way that is worse than other other generations is not not only not provable but like not accurate or helpful because it's more reflective of the types of things you consume and less reflective of the overall landscape of what there is to consume you are correct we can't any individual can't make a statement on the quality of all film as an average the best we can do is go from every time we watch a movie what is the likelihood we're going to come away saying man that was really awesome and good and people feel or at least depends how you're watching your movies depends what movies you're seeing all right well whatever it depends if you know what you're watching if you go to a fucking film festival and you just watch random movies where you're like ah you know sounds kind of interesting the description or like oh this is based off of a true story you're gonna have a bad time because half of them are gonna be shit maybe more than half of them are gonna be shit but if you go to a film festival and you're like okay i know this director i like this award that it won at this thing that's been pretty consistent and you actually know how to find things you're gonna have a great fucking time i'm gonna see all the best movies in the year in like a month at tiff like i'm gonna i'm so fucking high for that shit so the vast majority of people right you know who you go to movie theaters and who are exactly exactly exactly i'm trying to help people i'm trying to help people get the tools to help them have an experience with movies where they're not coming out of it saying like ah every movie sucks nowadays i you know like why would they say that why would they say that every movie sucks now why do you think that is because they're watching movies that are in theaters at the big chain theaters without knowing what movies to watch without knowing okay to find small we're almost there now and so why we're getting there yeah is that a change why is it that they're saying because i'm not because big big studio movies are generally bad no we've gotten to a point where they are now generally bad they used to be relatively normal for entertainment for most audiences but we're in an unprecedented time of unsatisfaction with hollywood but yeah if if we're talking about studio movies which is what i was saying so right like that would be a fair paradigm and that is representative of a change i it's well yeah but we're saying we're man because i thought that we had this understood i'm talking about movies as a whole right i'm talking about like no we both agreed no one is talking about movies as a whole because it's not possible no exactly neither of us are are able to quantify every single movie that exists in a year but based on what your media diet is if you are accurately um being able to select the types of films that you think that you'll be interested in in a way that aligns with your taste you know like there's movies out there for everybody right there's movies being made all the time that just don't have the same marketing budget that aren't in as many theaters there's some that you'll never be able to see until they're on digital because they're just like it's difficult especially with disney controlling so many of the theaters right so that's why i'm trying to get people away from disney movies from studio movies and to have not just like oh you know talk about them and say that they're bad but not feel obligated to watch them as a part of a cultural conversation but you wouldn't need to do that if the movies they were watching with something like the animated lion king you wouldn't be like guys get away from that that's the mainstream studio shit exactly but that but this is the unfortunate situation that we're in and this is just this is just the end result of greedy corporations and then hiring people based off nepotism and not people that are actually passionate about the ip is that they're like the same shit that's happening about like indiana jones and all that shit happened with halo right like 343 is making all this shit they don't understand what made the first games good but in the gaming sphere people can go on steam and see a cool indie game and it's right there and it's easy and they can just get it right away right like they don't have to do any effort in terms of finding it we don't have like a steam for movies even on like fucking itunes like you can't you can't you you don't get exposed to this sort of thing and so that's why my argument and my presence on the internet and my presence as a person talking about movies that's part of my goal is to help people be able to use these tools and be able to help understand how to find the better movie i understand and i respect that a lot you've recommended plenty of films that i never would have seen otherwise and i appreciate it what i'm trying to get at simply is the that same media diet the one that you'd be critical of and i think everyone could agree is not fantastic if you only watch hyper let's say you only watch films that come above a 100 million dollar budget that's awful right it's like oh that's not good but rewind just 20 years 30 years 10 years whichever one you if that same representative diet were being run they would have more positive entertainment experiences that's what's being appealed to yeah i don't i don't disagree that studio movies have gotten worse in the same way that i don't disagree that triple a gaming is like completely fucked okay right i don't i don't disagree with that i'm just you know when the again the title is you know why modern movies suck not why you know studio movies suck and you know i'm glad that he is that he is recommending things like uh like boiling point i've yet to see it but you know i'm excited to watch it i feel like i think you'll love that movie because because i know enough about it that you know i have i have my own tools that i can use to determine what you know whether or not i think a movie will be like pretty pretty good i just i i think that it's important not just to criticize disney and criticize it's big studio movies but i think it's important to move away from feeling obligated that we even need to be talking about them the problem with star wars is that it's so big that people feel obligated to watch it to be a part of a cultural conversation whether or not they think they're even going to enjoy it i want to end that shit i want people to be as excited for the new fucking jim cummings movie you know like i want people to be looking at artists create i want people to know about matt johnson i want people to be fucking hyped for the new nirvana the band movie right and stop thinking that like oh yeah because it says marvel on it or star wars on it that we all have to talk about it we all have to see it like why the fuck did anybody watch she-holt like people nobody should have even watched that we want to like criticize it you know it's just like like it's just well it's it's it i wish that people didn't feel obligated you know i know but that's that's very much wishful thinking in the these a lot of people and they're going to be in both of our chats right now they have fallen in love with these ip's and it makes them feel you know inspired or it makes them feel any particular way that's how they got you that's how they got you you gotta but you say that yeah you say that as though like a new vision or a new iteration wouldn't be equally as fulfilling that that does happen every once in a while we do get a new vision of a particular ip that is incredible and that's what everybody wants but we don't get it and so what's what's drinker doing what's many people doing we're trying to be critical of it to push it back to get it in a different direction when things like i think that that's a lost cause in the same way that like trying to get haloed is like the industry is just so fucked like it's i think it's much more important and much more like strategic to just support independent artists that are making the good things i don't see why we can't do it like you you don't yeah disney's already said because i was acting on a project on the budget so you want more sequels i'm moving in the right direction um i thought we're all supposed to not like i thought we're all like sick of the whole sequel lightest like when somebody announces something it's like do we really need like a yeah exactly if they're bad but like i don't know yeah for me the things that i love like i'm happy with the existing properties i don't need a fucking you know lion king four i absolutely know i'm with you because i love the original if you wanted to focus in on like even if we wanted to keep talking about disney disney used to like make like original films before they start making sequels all the time to give it the very least yeah patience with older you know like fantasy stories and things like that so you could always say well i mean by talking about this i'm trying to nudge disney in the direction of not franchising every single thing that they have and to go back yeah but you know light year fails talking there's nothing i mean it has nothing but talking can lead talking can lead to behaviors exactly obviously because that's the whole point of your channel no no perhaps that's what you've been saying that you're trying to do right i mean you would well i mean i'm talking about like no i mean 100 talking does lead to behaviors i'm just saying like the scope of like what makes a disney movie maker break is okay but so to give you an example heavily influenced when i'm like cut commentary when tlj happened and rise the skywalker you'll find plenty of sentiment throughout all of our sphere of youtube about star wars needs to stop go away just stop it's done leave it alone it's dead just stop they bring out and all we talk about how this is a bad idea it's it's gonna be shit there's no point we watch it it's really good we fully recommend it to people and people are very happy with it it's very much an inspirational show and it's easy to get into for a lot of people because it's star wars i don't like i'm not like sad that happened because we can't like accelerate on the whole hating of ip's i'm actually really happy that they managed to find someone to give this project to and they give them enough freedom to make something good and we want to encourage more of that to happen in future and how else do you do it but saying look at that it's good go look at that that's you know i mean i i know what you mean but i what we are doing essentially through uh internet commentary is essentially just a hyper extension of what exists as word of mouth right and so word of you know that's existed throughout time oh yeah that's a good thing that's a good thing yeah i think we've kind of lost the plot of what we're even arguing about no we're totally on point because i was about to bring it back to drink it like he's doing all these kinds of discussions he's talking to well-known actors or even directors he's talking about the different films that are good or bad from obviously his own paradigm but at the same time clearly appeals to a lot of people's points of view in the hopes that something can be done even if it is in a small way right like i don't i'm not particularly moved by the if like a wizard told me you're gonna make zero difference except maybe one guy in your audience might be inspired to make a good movie someday i'd be like that's good enough that's all i need yeah and i assume yeah you'd have to be the same right like you've inspired loads of people exactly and i feel like we're all doing what we can't look at the the issue i take with is people who either like lie about media to you know push their own preferences necessarily or that um they're just giving analysis that's absolutely fucking worthless like absolutely shallow now if you had that opinion of drinker i'm not saying you do at all um i wouldn't even like take issue with it until i see what examples you have because i don't know what you would have seen that sort of thing i would entertain the idea in the same way that i hope you'd entertain the idea if i had that opinion about any given review or online but i feel like we do good work both you and myself and drinker and rags are referring of course 70s music you don't think of every single song that existed in the 70s that you heard on the radio you think of you know the songs that still hold true this to this day like you know i want to know have you ever seen the rain like what is that ccr clear hanging yeah that's great there's a copyright warning i think that it's it's kind of a weird bias that human beings have in terms of how we think about media where um yeah credence clear water revive that's such a long mouth full of a name it's such an interesting weird bias that we have about me your movie sucks dot or all music sucks now or all yms isn't it yeah wow got him oh and uh sorry i did mean to ask you was all i'm trying to change my channel name to just yms but i gotta figure out if i'll lose my uh my check mark if i do that i'm trying to figure out on youtube because i got the at yeah so um i already have the at yms uh so that's your like that's what shows up when you comment on a thing it's at yms yeah and but then you go to the channel and then it's a different name yeah like i created the channel back when it was like i created the channel when it was uh normal to have a website uh i was gonna ask out of curiosity because you did seem adamant that like we should be moving away from the uh the mainstream stuff like you do cover a lot of it though right uh okay let's look at my channel for a second here all right so i did barbenheimer obviously that's like a big event sort of thing that i'm interested in uh asteroid city and past lives was my one before that i would you know west anderson's pretty big past lives was an indie film from sundance uh the way that i cover videos at this point like it has to be there has to be a certain threshold that's held in terms of i don't i'm not just gonna watch and or cover a movie just because it's popular and just because i know i'll get clicks and just because even if there's a billion people asking me to it has to be something that i either a think i'm going to enjoy b think i'm going to enjoy ironically or c know that i have some sort of passionate conversation about you know hopefully accurately before i see the movie you know i i inferred enough from the little mermaid trailers uh and i also wanted an excuse to rewatch the original and i wanted to do like a comparison so i don't know to me um yeah there's uh it depends it depends on what month it is because you know i'm in the middle of making my fantasia festival review that's 12 random film festival movies that are going to be dropped in the next like week uh a month from now it's going to be like 30 movies from tiff which are all festival movies so out of out of all the major film review channels i'd say that i probably do the best job in terms of like covering smaller films like that's the reason why fantasia invited me back to their festival uh they gave me a fucking hotel room that was pretty cool um is because i'm helping to like really promote these things and i i think that with my goal being sharing smaller things that hopefully everybody enjoys or enough people enjoy or can connect with that they wouldn't have found without me part of that goal is having channel growth which unfortunately uh you know people click on things they're familiar with yeah i i but by every one of these points you've made i completely agree the obviously the only thing is that it would still further interest and attention to the mainstream movies right like uh it it would it would damage your overall goal of trying to ignore and move past them if you're going to continue to cover them uh yeah but i don't i don't cover that's that that makes up such a smaller percentage of like the the content on my channel right there's movies that i literally i'm like people are asking me to fucking cover elvis i'm like i'll only do it if it gets nominated for an oscar right and i did because it was part of my oscar's video i like covering the oscar's i like clowning on the oscar's it's a good series um but yeah like i'm not i didn't you know there's a gigantic handful of like disney remakes that you know probably could have made content out of but they just didn't seem that interesting i didn't see mulan you know i had no interest in you know seeing it or trying to cover it um most star wars movies like i only saw seven through nine because i i felt obligated out of like this whole cultural conversation thing which is exactly what i'm trying to move away from and so i'm like okay well now now i'm not just watching star wars things because people are wanting me to talk about star wars things like i i think i'm i'm pretty firm in my belief that it's not my type of media to be consuming right so yeah i i would say i would say there's like a healthy a healthy mix on my channel like it's it's completely unavoidable to uh you know it's not possible for a channel to not talk about a popular movie because like even if you talk about an indy movie at a festival there's a chance that it will become popular like the whale you know like other films that blow up um so yeah i i don't i don't think that my uh the overall landscape of my channel is contradictory to what i'm i'm saying or what my goals are or what i was going to describe as contradictory is more so that um it's gonna have a byproduct that's unfortunate considering your goals i'd assume um well i did i waited like a long time before i even made my lanking review like i my my stance on the lanking 2019 was don't watch it don't even watch it ironically stop asking me to see it don't give them money because like i fucking care about you know the lanking is like one of my favorite movies ever um and i love the original so much and i didn't want to incentivize disney to make more and my my suggestion for people not to do that didn't make fucking difference it made a billion dollars right away became the most uh the highest grossing animated film of all time only to be beaten by the mario movie uh this year um and do you think there's a reason why disney films aren't making as much money anymore compared to four five years ago where like they were you know dominating six seven eight out of the top ten highest grossing films of all time what do you think changed uh fatigue people are seeing more the same shit it's not art anymore you're not showing people a new experience i think that there's enough people that like if you polled people coming out of the fucking theater like what which is what cinema score does which you know i don't think that there are like a great website in terms of how to find good movies but let's see what the cinema score line king 2019 was because the general uh do they even have it okay i'm just gonna have to search for it better the general consensus that my understanding of the general consensus of the lion king 2019 is that people fucking liked it right like it wasn't like people liked the movie but now when it's like okay you're doing the same shit over and over again you know first film critics are going to notice first people who watch like a huge variety of films and have seen so many that it's already like okay you're kind of doing the same thing again already you know if they've seen it once or twice then you know there's a certain portion of the population that's going to be like okay come off it i already know what's happening but then the more times it's done then the more of a percentage of the population is going to be on board with like hey haven't i seen this before or hey you're just doing the same shit or like hey you know the the first one that i tried watching i didn't really love that much but i tried gave it a shot now i won't give this one a shot so you know if you just any genre this has happened to like a lot of things franchises genres studios like if you're just producing the same shit over and over and over again like the natural trend is down of course it's going to be starting successfully otherwise they wouldn't be trying to replicate replicate that formula if it wasn't massively successful and then of course it's going to go down because they don't really they're not doing anything new right you can't do you think trying to replicate lightning in a bottle like i would actually can see the stuff like the flash or shazam can suffer when a bunch of other marvel shit comes out that's not entertaining because they're too similar superior stuff but you really think that like people being like oh my god lying king i'm getting the same thing with little mermaid i think i think people are more aware of uh the disney remake itis well so i was i was actually gonna agree with you i'm my sister i spoke to her about it because she's not watching them anymore she used to watch them all and i was like why and then she was like they're all fucking terrible and they're kind of gross like she finds them in the cultural conversation changes well i guess what we're trying to push is that um it's the it's too bad for too long as opposed to fatigue not necessarily the fatigue isn't a part of it but the it's the if they were really well executed this probably wouldn't be anywhere near as bad well actually i mean i guess a question i would have is do we think that the discourse surrounding these films online in parts by like youtube channels is a factor even if it's not 100% factor uh well yeah it's a part of the it's a part of the cultural conversation i guess here's the next thing would be here's that here's that's if you know somebody somebody who mainly just watches mainstream films and feels like they're not getting what they want it's simply because of that they would start looking elsewhere for films that might interest them including indy the indie sphere you know like smaller films i i would like that to be the case i don't think the average person is doing it um but that's that's why that's where i try it some people might and that's where i try to help so when i was saying earlier that like it's a losing battle trying to get studios to correct themselves into making good movies like even if we get a movie every once in a while where it's like oh damn they actually put faith in real artists and they did this thing that's not their takeaway right there what barbie's success isn't gonna be like oh we need to hire more young filmmakers like gretta gerwig and noah bomb back they're gonna be like oh people really like barbie toys right because they don't understand art that's why i'm saying it's a losing battle is because like we're gonna make hot wheels movies it's like oh okay yeah like that's why it's a losing battle not because like you know they they not because the public can't uh eventually shift and be on your side about a cultural conversation not because they can't eventually lose money and try to understand why but because the lessons are always going to be the wrong takeaway they don't understand the people in charge of funding art in giant studio environments they don't understand how to make art they're all fucking nepo babies they all have like way too much fucking control over the artists and they're like yeah i think i would like to see this thing and they always wind up ruining shit that's exactly what happened to triple a gaming right i completely agree that that would be a losing battle and that's why i think we should be supporting independent artists instead because but what you just said is part of the argument i would have made for why modern movies suck more than others what you just said like hits on one of the biggest factors which is a lot of people yeah yeah that they've been inherited by a group of people that are either like they've been hired because of family connections or whatever else because like we've had commented on it here but like having control of a 200 to 300 dollar 300 million dollar movie like mom or quantum mania and it's given to writers that have zero history is absolutely insane but it's being done yeah or just like they don't care about the franchise they don't care about they don't know the fuck they're doing like it doesn't matter yeah they the the formulas at disney like there's a there's a reason why we keep seeing the whole like ugly ass realistic character design is because that's what their takeaway was from the lion king 2019 like that's what they're they were like oh this made a billion dollars what do we let's make everything else kind of look like this too it's like okay well it made a billion dollars because you played the trailer music from the first film and people had a nostalgic reason to check it out and people weren't fatigued by all the other previous remakes so far it wasn't exactly a part of the culture cultural conversation in the same way people were fucking hype for the lion king 2019 and i was trying to remember but couldn't do it you think the quality of films plays into how much they get fatigued and how quickly i mean i would i would argue that they were never good just successful and i think eventually people people start to see through the seams and i think that even retrospectively there's people that will look at the lion king 2019 that loved it when it came out and be like okay wait this is actually shit same thing happened with Suicide Squad you know like people fucking love that movie when it came out same thing happened with Amazing Spider-Man too a lot of people are just excited to yeah yeah those who those were part of why my channel got huge is because it was considered to be a very controversial opinion uh people were arguing about that because i was i was watching you so my sphere just ordered yeah i figured everyone hated that one as well but okay yeah no there were there was the the reason why uh my Suicide Squad video on reddit is because it was a response to the people that were like fucking the crazy Snyder fans whatever we want to call them or DC fanboys i'm sure you're well aware like there was enough people in that crowd like angry joe and people just like hyping up this fucking thing like the biggest piece of shit ever made and people people were desperate to have someone just say like it's shit right um when a lot of reviewers were kind of tiptoeing around it because they didn't want to upset their audience and they were like yeah you know it's it's i enjoyed it for i liked seeing the Joker they were just waiting for somebody to be fucking honest about it and that's why that's part of why my channel's big so just because i because that um for clarity sake so you don't think that quality has much of a role to play in terms of how quickly people get fatigued about these franchises and things like in an alternate universe for the MCU i mean banger after banger do you think that people would still be fatigued yeah eventually i think that like even if you're doing uh franchise or a formula that not that doesn't even necessarily betray what the audience wants i think that eventually over time the audience wants a different thing like saw wound up giving up after seven even though it was still profitable even though like they were still making money but they were just like eh it's not as much and people were the people they saw the shift in the industry of like okay now paranormal activity is the new thing coming out right like people got fatigued of like westerns people got fatigued of like you know james bond is still going right but it seems like there's a big peek whenever it's the new actor and then people are like oh i kind of like this and it has the exact same slow drop off you know not necessarily meaning like all of them are bad although i guess with james bought a lot of them are bad but yeah in an alternate universe where like every single disney remake was good then they would probably be doing more successfully but i would argue that in order for them to be good they would have to inherently not be doing the same thing over and over anyway so the the fatigue wouldn't even be a factor because they would have to be changing things up and doing new things in order for them to be good which almost inextricably ties fatigue with quality yeah like yeah part of the reason why they are bad is because they're doing the same shit yeah because uh we've talked about the same shit they were doing was like slightly good at first like if they're just doing the same shit over and over then it becomes bad the big thing that we thought that the mcu could have done in phase four is to experiment like crazy and have like the kinds of films that you would never expect to be in the mcu because they can take those kinds of risks and even if they fail if they had like 10 million budgets given to very or two directors that are given like a parameter on how far they can go in terms of any kind of world building no necessary cameos just that maybe a person that lives in the world after what's happened that sort of stuff i feel like the mcu could have evolved because plenty of those would have kicked off depending on how good they are who you give them to sort of thing um yeah which would satisfy both right it's not like the others but would also be of good quality which means the fatigue would not have set in as early if at all um at least however long sure but but the solution to that is is not like oh people stop watching the movies and then they start making other things the solution to that is like to fire 75 percent of people in hollywood you know i'm trying to think is like it's not like it's i don't think that's gonna happen like it's i think it's as fucked as the triple a gaming industry yeah no i i don't even disagree with that and that's why we've got to get as much as we can where we can getting people in supporting different people i completely agree with all of that and um i guess the thing that may come up is that uh you're not sure that drinker does enough in that regard right i said earlier that that's something i can see done okay suck now because like even even if he doesn't promote the exact same films that i do i think that um you know if he if the main focus of his channel is you know like we're let's call him disney or studio franchise whatever shit you know for him to be recommending anything outside of that realm is a good step in the right direction and i'm glad that he's exposing people to that so yeah well obviously he is and he's talking to different people who are from the industry that he wants to praise and direct people toward but there's also like i don't know how aware you are of his thought film is currently being created uh i'm aware of him doing some i think he he has like a book on amazon too but i haven't yeah i have not consumed i don't have any indication as to what the um level of quality might be for any of those things or what even of course um it's just that it's it's very good in and of itself that he's looking to create something with people and promote it and uh try and build him even himself up as well as others on the indie circuit right mm-hmm that's such a yeah i i'm excited to see it yeah okay it's such an interesting weird bias that we have about media where we think like all music sucks now or all movies suck now and here's why when in reality it's like you just have to know what to watch you just have to like have a healthy media guy again keep no problem i just know it's all good i know what is essentially just advertised to you and spoon fed to you through giant corporations so it's it i haven't watched this but i found myself being interested enough to like do any kind of commentary on this guy uh even though i haven't done it before because of the fact that he showed up on russell brand which sort of kind of reinforces my initial thought about him is that he's showing up on what is really a political you know anti-vax conspiracy grifting platform and he's showing up as this guy like so this so this is the title so this is why movies are shit now with the critical drinker it's like okay well you know this is kind this is kind of what i experienced anecdotally when i you know met somebody who was essentially just eating up a bunch of conspiracy anti-vax content like weird like new world order george soros you know maybe not explicitly saying it but pretty much saying it content uh this is not a movie review channel and he's being featured on it and so that i just thought that this was interesting enough to at least see what the fuck it is so let's see what this is so wait uh is he back yeah i would yeah wait uh we can yeah wait just a second for him uh because i've got a question to ask uh i do yeah i just have a i do you got a little you little oh like there he is he's back he's back on rags i'll ask you a question out of uh where we're um you you talked about russell brand here how uh drinker showed up on you know russell brand how russell brand is conspiracy theorist and anti-vax and stuff like that um there's a weird but if russell brand reached out to you and said hey i want to talk to you about movies would you uh would you go on and talk to him about movies i'm not sure probably probably all right so but he has uh his interviews are very uh very non-confrontational and leading he kind of like you know well we'll see as it we'll see as it goes along um i'm actually shocked that he that he asked some genuine questions at certain points but oh all right there's like a part of him that comes through at points because i was gonna say that if russell brand invited me i would totally go on but if he was to be like did you know the the earth is flat i'd be like what the fuck are you talking about mate i'd say yeah my criticism i i i want to make clear it's not a criticism of the critical drinker to have accepted going on to russell brand's show i i was mentioning that it's a reflection of the audience crossover that he would be invited there in the first place right it's a it's a observation of the the uh sort of audience the same thing i was talking about earlier was obviously the only problem would be because i'm not familiar does russell ever have people on that he doesn't necessarily align with uh i mean i would have to watch every single russell brand video but like i just i don't even mean in that sense i just mean like doesn't he have people that theoretically speaking he would uh have a bit of a confrontation with maybe like he talks some about their ideas he just that's not my understanding my understanding is he's mostly just creating like a space for he knows what his audience wants to hear and he kind of just he kind of just facilitates that with you know the types of conversations that he has in case you didn't know uh drinker himself he's been he's been interviewed now like on countless channels i think he accepts a lot of invitations from anything from like zero subs to people like russell brand i think that if um not saying this for any particular reason but if let's say a a o c was to ask him for an interview i think he'd accept russell brand or sorry critical drinker yeah critical drinker okay yeah obviously again it's not it's not a reflection on critical drinker to to appear on the program it's to even for russell brand to consider that to be something he wants on the program i'm saying that there's there's an audience alignment okay not you know not one to one or anything but enough crossover that it makes it made enough sense for him to bring him on like i don't think okay yeah i'd watch the fuck out of that yeah well fucking website or whatever he might as well be on the daily wire i guess hey you awakening wonders thanks for joining me on stay free with big fucking very excited about today's show the first he used to be i 100 that's what it is okay it's it's it's it's a fucking crypto fucking covid ball all right he's doing he's doing he's that's that's the whole reason why his thing fucking blew up it's because he was like i said i know nothing about his stuff i know more about him as an actor than i do is anything else we've been right before but does he do that he hasn't been acting for a while okay he's a fucking he's he's like he's somewhere between joe rogan and gueneth paltrow he's somewhere okay okay on youtube and that's going to be relevant to you six point five million awakening wonders over there awakening awaken it's funny that he uses the term awakening because like if a leftist or left leaning person or even like someone even someone like joe biden said awakening they would be like it means woke because you surely love the critical drinker the man who has analyzed and critiques contemporary cinema with a perspective that you're unlikely to see in the mainstream i think we are definitely stuck in a rut as a culture when it comes to just see this this is something that i take a bit of an issue with is like prioritizing the idea of like ah my culture right like i don't know if i give too much of a shit about like i i'm an individual you know i'm an individual like i like movies that i like and i like movies from a variety of cultures like if america decides to go in certain trends about movies like i'm going to call it out right i'm going to call out america mostly for not being exposed to different cultures but like i don't know i feel like there's a lot of fear mongering when it comes to like oh movies are getting like too feminist or movies are like getting to what like i don't know it seems like weird fear mongering maybe i'm reading a bit too far into it he's barely said anything that's what i was going to say is he's like i don't even sure what he said yeah i i i figure i'd address most of the criticisms we would have like within the stream itself but i will i will add more commentary in a bit also i want to point out also i want to point out after thoroughly seeing a lot of like back and forth about people that hate the critical drinker on like my subreddit or the sardonic has subreddit and other subreddits you know like obviously he's met with a lot of criticism i do want to point out that i've seen a bunch of criticism against him that i thought was like a little unfair we're like oh he didn't like you he didn't think i mean that that goes for yms on other places that goes for us on other places it's it's insane and it sucks but there's not much any of us can really do about it but i'm glad you pointed it out that's cool i am glad yeah a lot of people wouldn't go like the right name of a movie at a time where he like you know didn't have the right word when he said like he was on a live stream or whatever like sometimes people are a little too like overly critical or jumping the gun when it's like ah this guy's like right leaning it's like okay you know whatever like i don't hate anybody just because they're conservative right like but i'm at least going to have a conversation about what i find disagreeable about them relying on the past as you say the motivation behind these i find that funny because he's sorry we barely started we are definitely stuck in a rough it sucks because i'm reacting to something that i don't know is just like a little fucking preview at the beginning it's like a little compilations practice later when the real thing comes in so interesting because the content that i've consumed from him and again i have not watched all these content what i've seen is like literally what he's describing right like oh we're stuck in a rut where we're all the content is relying on the past when all i hear him talk about is like why can't we have movies like they were in the 80s so uh is there anything you want to add because of course like the this feels like a misunderstanding of what he's saying yeah no i i i can i can see where the miscommunication is but i think it i think it goes back to the earlier point of like media diet right where it's like if if it is studio movies then yeah you would inherently want to go back to a period where studio movies were better where the average movie in a theater you could watch you know would be something that you know not inherently right that would be enjoyable but quality of yeah there's just because of quality there's production elements and technology advancements now the drink would likely cite to you that are really bad that people are relying on be it the overuse of cg or the volume screen or different kinds of like attempts at de-aging people in the like and everything looks fake and plasticky and rubbery versus what he loves which is like a primary area you would probably argue to you like this this appears in all eras but that it was very prominent to him from his perception in like the 80s 90s maybe or 70s wherever he would particularly choose of filmmaking that was really nuts and bolts and whenever you watch it it looks gritty and real and awesome sort of thing that's just that's pretty much all the point he's making because of course as you're pointing out he hates the idea of digging up the corpses of the past and parading them up in today and so the miscommunication is just that yeah he doesn't i think i'm actually he doesn't want indiana jones he wants films made in the same vein that indiana jones was created that that would be the simplest way to put it yeah like every single video i've seen from him is like i wish movies were like they were from the past but now they're different and bad so that's kind of interesting actually as you say the motivation behind these ip's and these franchise these franchise movies is no one's willing to take a risk but they lack with these modern characters see that's not untrue what russell brander said like i want to see more risk taking and franchise agreed big budget movies yeah that's more artistic but they're not willing to take that step as i've heard and be vulnerable and this is not untrue he's saying yeah it's so it's so frustrating because it seems like they're setting themselves up to fail every time that they try that every once in a while they're like okay we're gonna we're gonna do fucking bow is afraid i'm like you can't have expected that to make money no that was only like 30 million i guess i was like a 24 as high as budget but i wasn't sure that oppenheimer was gonna be able to make it but uh i guess i'm glad it did um i mean christopher nolland to say that well tenet phillipop because of co vid i guess right is what you'd say that that was the only reason that it wasn't successful was co vid yeah i think i think chris phenolan is a selling point but then there is the fact that the film had to overcome being a three hour long r-rated biopic like i think that's a that seemingly yeah that seems like it would be a harder sell than a lot of other things but it really does seem like the barbie oppenheimer like jewel sort of screening thing like that really helped both of those films i also think i've seen people argue that tenet is not anywhere near as good as oppenheimer well i mean i really like oppenheimer and i don't think i want to see tenet wow i don't i don't think i want to you saw adam what did you think of tenet it's uh really annoying that's the way this is yeah those are my favorite movies or the annoying ones i've had a lot of practice lately it's tenet tenet is what you would make if you were trying to parody a christopher nolland film oh wait sorry wait what okay wait i thought he was talking about the actual production not characters these franchise movies is no one's willing to take a risk but they like with these modern characters that they try oh he's talking purely about characters okay this is this is one that i have to think about more i was i was talking about funding i was talking about like oh yeah we want movies with ideas and scripts that take more risks he's talking about like characters that are like flawed i don't know if i necessarily yeah these are snippets of a conversation without a full context that yeah i shouldn't have even been commenting on but i didn't realize we're just the editing willing to take that step of have them fail and be vulnerable and have flaws and weaknesses we're going to talk about sound of freedom why is this movie causing so much controversy i would love to hear the critical drinker talk about sound of freedom see i'm also going to start referring to the he does by his actual human name and i'm going to ask you to remove them aviators not yet not while we're still not while we're getting a face reveal still on youtube we go to the website to get the face reveal out guide stay free with russian brand see it first on rumble it all rumble all rumble where we can be a bit more explicit about our anti-vaccine nonsense is the critical drinker drinker welcome to the show thanks for joining us thanks for having me on man i can't believe it i'm sandwiched right between tucker carlson and run to stand they doxxed his name is he on tucker carlson and run sorry oh he's sandwiched as in was that who russell brand head on before and after oh my god he held them up as like idols that's are we so much in 1.25 speed it's it doesn't feel like it i'll make sure but uh so i assume it was just caught there the uh you said you're surprised he sees ron disantis and tucker carlson as uh idols i don't know if i said surprise but yeah i don't necessarily know that what i'm saying is that he doesn't he's saying that he has to live up to them as entertainment okay because i don't even know that he watches anything from tucker carlson nor do i don't think he knows anything about ron disantis i'd be surprised if he did i don't know but i so here's here's something that i'll point out um and we'll see as the interview goes along but i feel as though and this is not to suggest that you know critical drinkers doing this for like money or whatever i think that it's a very real like kind of psychological phenomenon that we all go through like if we're interacting with a certain type of person and you know that that person wants to hear like a certain type of thing i think that most people kind of gravitate towards um you know like uh i guess like changing their phrasing or or even sort of like merging into things that they want to hear um and i feel i feel like i feel like there's moments in this interview where critical drinker does that maybe not consciously um where you know i i think he understands like being on the wrestle brand program and him having those guests i i think that you know kind of being like oh i have to live up to that that is like kind of like a you know uh maybe not direct but mild praising of those two i think he may have ended up saying the same thing did even if like russell had said i had trump on previously and i'm buying on next week he would be like holy fuck i've got a lot to live up to because that's huge just because they're big names yeah yeah that's the impression i make sense that it's yeah i think so yeah by by comparison drinkers not as well known as talking he's a youtube film reviewer yeah he does not strike me as a ron dysantis fan here's a question since we're clarifying that would there is there an issue if he did idolize tucker carlson and ron dysantis um i wouldn't necessarily be an issue in and of itself it would be an issue if it were misrepresentative of how he uh has stated otherwise like i said if he may i don't actually know but my impression from this is that he's just saying they're big figures and i think you misunderstood that's all okay um as for like that's where you know the the nature of someone's idolization of any particular person could be good or bad or neutral it really just depends on what they say right and was that who russell brand head on before and after oh my god he held them up as like idols that's fucking fascinating this is amazing drinker welcome to the show thanks for joining us thanks for having me on man i can't believe i'm sandwiched right between tucker carlson and ron dysantis i've got a lot to live up to on this one damn like even i feel like even if i were like conservative republican like to hold ron dysantis up is like a like a like a a person to like have to live up to yeah that's like praising ted grue ron dysantis is as lame as ten group ted grue like he's as pathetic and as much of a loser like ron dysantis is only a name now because he's made like he's been popular in florida and people are seeing him as like the only alternative to trump when in reality like he's going to get yeah but not just the governor but making like huge fucking news stories of of his state and being as uh what's the word provocative is possible in in his uh political governance be fucking crushed in the primaries like ron dysantis has zero chance is insane like nobody's gonna even know ron dysantis his name after a while right now it better be slide it into your reviews somehow if you can otherwise you simply will not fit in with the roster thanks for joining us mate no it's a pleasure to be here thanks for helping me on mine one of your most recent what was that was that like an ironic thing i was kind of confused what he was trying to get out there he's in videos that i enjoyed watching was your analysis and review the latest indiana jones movie it seems you kind of reached a in a sense uh zenith of your analysis in itself see russell brand didn't even like believe in any of this shit politically until it got him views like he's such a fucking grifter he's as much of a grifter as like who's god who's that who's the woman who does goop oh yeah like it's literally just like follow the mind are we so are we on 1.25 speed or no i changed it again but i don't know if it's ignoring me can we do 1.5 and see if it