Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering Adobe Summit 2019, brought to you by Accenture Interactive. Welcome back everyone, CUBE live coverage here in Las Vegas for Adobe Summit 2019. I'm John Furrier with Jeff Frick, my co-host this week. Two days of wall-to-wall coverage. Our next guest is Janine Falcone, who's the marketing agency lead in North America for Accenture Interactive. Yes, yes. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, thanks for having me. So love having the conversation. We just talked before we came on camera around the role of the agencies. You guys are doing a lot of big work for big brands, B to C, B to B. There's a big shift going on with cloud computing. We've seen that movie, it's happening right now. Amazon, Azure, it all going on. But what the marketing world is, not just about marketing cloud, there's a lot more going on there. The impact to the marketing world and the agency relationships are impacted. What's going on? Give us the state of the market. Happy to. So at Accenture Interactive, a lot of clients come to us and they're living in this world. I'm going to talk with my hands, sorry.  The technology landscape that you described, it's crazy out there. Remember the landscape used to be this big, now it's this big. So there's all that sort of market buzz and chaos around, I should buy this technology and that technology and marketers and CIOs, they've all been out there doing that. So that's one piece. The second piece is the customer expectation. All that is evolving and changing. And customers always expect, I don't really care who you are, retailer, bank, whatever, they kind of have that Uber experience that they all expect, regardless of product or service or anything like that. So marketers have always tried to deal with that in the way they knew how. But then the third component is the business climate and what's happening in their worlds with either shrinking budgets or aging workforce. I don't even mean age necessarily as much as skill set, aging skill sets, things that used to matter don't. They've got that. They've got organizational silos. They've got all these things. So those three things. Plus, I'm a marketer. I still have to deliver that old brand promise that they're told to do. It's a crazy, crazy time. So all theaters are on massive change over, shifts happening. Marketers and CMOs have also relied on agencies for help. Totally. They have domain expertise in certain areas. A&A agencies isn't the other thing. But now that the value equation's shifting in the economics, underlying economics, behind it are getting some visibility around. It's digital, it's a different new ball game. Now you've got AI and machine learning has caused that shift. So the question is how should your customer or how are your customers dealing with the agency relationship because at the end of the day it's value exchange. Totally, and they'll often come ask us that. So not only do they have all those silos and all those things, they could have 17 different agencies across multiple product lines that may have been, they're doing a great job in their own silo, but who's bringing all that together? And then it's not even, am I just not spending my money right with these agencies? It's like, what are they delivering for that? So when they come to us to holistically look across all of that and help them, we start with the customer in the center. Of all those siloed, crazy areas, you've got to start with the customer and what do they expect and how do you deliver to them? So yes, we're seeing this crazy world in the agency space too, a brand agency, it's digital age, all the different kinds of agencies out there.  So I was talking with the CISO, the Chief Information Security Officer at, no, Chief Security Officer at Microsoft and reports to the board in cybersecurity they're going through the same transformation that is happening in marketing, where now you have technology and APIs and tools, technical tools. So he's shrinking his supplier base now because he doesn't want his skills gap to get widened by having to learn new tools. So there's now a new forcing function on the tech side. And now we see that kind of creeping into the Adobe conversation where it's like, there's tech now involved. So you now have to shrink the suppliers even more. So how do you get from 17 to three? So this seems to be a discussion around the impact of tech, your thoughts. Yeah, well, absolutely. That was one of the areas I talked about. So what happens there is they'll need marketers to understand technology, which today many do. Let's be honest, right? Like 10, 15 years ago, they didn't. Today they do, but it also requires you both internally and externally to have multiple skill sets. And sometimes they'll say, should I be bringing this in house? Should I bring that in house? What do I do with this technology? And there's never one answer. There's never like you should outsource this or that. And so technology has had that massive impact on, oh, I can do this myself. And then they realize I can't. And then back to the, but do I have the right skill sets internally, externally to be able to do that? And it's often 17 different skill sets to do one thing where it used to be a lot different. Well, Jeff and I have talked on theCUBE before about the classic business school conversation around core competency should be in house. Correct, yeah. And you outsource your non-core competencies. How do you see that evolving? Because at some point there has to be core competencies around data and things of that nature. So what's your thoughts? How do you advise clients on, okay, if you're going to go in house and start putting the toe in the water and building it out, it's an investment, and all the things you talked about, what's the core competency? I mean core competence to me or anything related specifically to your industry that people have to continue to get skilled in and expert in, and they want to do just that one thing. Sometimes people that are broader generalists in marketing and data, they might get bored doing that. But if someone is like, I want to be really good at this and I'm going to continue to hone my skills in that one thing, data analytics, whatever, then that may be, and you live in the right market, you don't live in kind of a part of the country where it'd be hard to find those skills, to be honest. I mean, some parts of the country, it's easier than others. So that is one way to look at it. But anything that requires generalist knowledge or cross-industry knowledge or things that are constantly evolving and you want someone else to pay for the training. What's the CMO conversation like for you in clients these days? Because obviously a lot of stuff going on, as we just illustrated, the game is still the same. They got to provide that brand promise. Now they got the tech stacks, they got all these new things. Hopefully the ball will move down the field faster. But what is the CMO conversation that you have? How do they stay ahead of the curve? What's their edge? How are they posturing right now? I mean, I think it's an amazing time to be in marketing. So CMOs to me that are the pioneering CMOs, the ones that are really focusing back in on the customer and delivering those relevant experiences. They're the ones that are being successful because they try to not, certainly not ignore all of that chaos that's surrounding but stay focused. And then they don't worry about, oh, this isn't in my silo, I have to kind of reach across and I have to make sure I get this person. They have to be the leaders. They have to lead the industry like knowledge and business and be the leader in the organization, whether or not they are and just be the pioneer to get that done. That makes them successful. The ones that are excited about that, they're the future, right? It's funny, we interviewed a guy from Clorox a while ago and you think of CPG has been data-driven forever, right? They're coming out of Cincinnati, they all got trained, you know, at T&G. But this is a whole different level of data-driven execution than what they've been doing for years and years and years. That's right, because potentially they were product-centric. So they dealt with their product in CPG and I'm going to sell toilet paper. And I'm going to be the best marketer there is, but the customer expectations surrounding that have changed and they expect you to know them in a relevant, non-creepy way and product marketing to customer marketing is a big shift and potentially, I know a little about a lot of industries, CPG has been very product-focused, which is difficult when you now have to be customer-centric regardless of product that your company is trying to sell. And the changing rule of distribution, especially in CPG where before they would ship the toilet paper or whatever they're doing and it goes out the door and they don't know anything else about it until the next order comes in. Correct, yes. Now, they know how the products are being used, they got a direct connection to the customer and they need to establish a relationship beyond just the actual execution of the purchase. Totally. So a very different kind of a challenge. It's crazy, I love it. I mean, I think it's a crazy time to be able to do that. And again, the blurring between marketing and commerce and sales and service, there's all sorts of debates on where marketing and commerce sales service begins because it's all clustered together now. And then there's creativity and technology and data and analytics all converging. So to me, people that understand all of those things at a high enough level and are good collaborators and orchestrators that know how to get things done, they will be successful. Do you think a lot of people tried to buy their way out of the problem? Because more technology's been around for a long time, arguably, kind of leading edge in a lot of the things in terms of a web experience, but there's so many of them and you can't buy your way out of the problem. You had to actually execute. That and buy it quickly, right? I'm going to buy it and I'm going to plug this in. I mean, I feel like that might have happened years ago and now you're right. They're seeing the, oh my God. Now that too is like its own silo. Now they have a technology silo too in addition to potentially some organizational silos that they have to break down. But the good news is that everybody sort of sees this now and kind of gets it and if people are just sort of focused on to do the right thing for the customer because if you don't, someone else will. And sometimes going back to what used to work works. Like now, if I call a company, I have no expectation they're going to answer the phone. And when they do, you're like, wow, that was a great experience. I scheduled a vacation, it ended up being non-refundable and I'm like, I'm just going to try to call. It was one of the online, it wasn't Airbnb. It was one of those like services. They answered the phone. It was seven o'clock on a Thursday night and I'm like, oh, no problem, I'm like, this is the greatest experience I've had. I'm going to use them again because I didn't expect that. So it's not like what used to work doesn't work anymore but has to work in the right context. It's so pleasant surprises. Exactly, exactly. That's the relevancy. You need help and you got it. Yeah, and then they said, I said, oh, okay, well let me, they're like, we don't need your information. You know, I have your cell phone and I'm like, oh, and I wasn't creeped out by that. I'm like, oh, thank God, now I don't have to fill out a form. Yeah. Didn't have to do mother's maiden name like six different times. And then you know what I said? How do you guys make money? Like I was so fascinated by this that I just had to sort of figure out the business model because I'm a marketer. My point is that was, I don't know how much it costs them to do that but that was a positive experience. They probably don't have a lot of people calling. They probably had nobody to call it. And I don't know how much. They probably ran the company for all I know. So I got to ask you, I got to ask you with all these new changes you mentioned in one of this great example of how the world's changing. KPIs also change around what's real and what's relevant because these new things are going on where may or may not have KPIs. So how does the CMO get out in front of that and how do they evolve their skillset to either grok that understand all this new KPI potential? Yeah. And have that front and center and working through the marketing mix. Yeah, I know you can have KPI overload too, right? So remember, old school still works, brand matters. Brand, no one worried about measuring that stuff years ago and part of that is still relevant. I had a session earlier today and people talked about CPIs, like customer related influence and things like that because that matters.  And some of that matters too. Now how much you spend on that, how you sort of track that and maybe track, I'm all about like mixing gray and mixing qualitative and quantitative stuff. That's part of the trick of being a marketer. And these signals, they're data signals. Totally, yes. So I got to ask you a question on the agency front and go back to the agency for a second because with SaaS apps and these new things people add to the phone which is blended kind of channels. Yeah. Is there a new agency model emerging around cloud and SaaS applications that doesn't feel like an agency but acts like an agency because if you're an agency and you're providing a service you have software as a service models out there self-service. Yeah. Is there an evolution or change over on how new agencies look like and how does a CMO know if someone's a new agency is going to be relevant or not? I mean, it totally depends on the kind of agency and I would tell CMO to not necessarily worry about that. I wouldn't worry about, do I need a new kind of agency at all? It's like, what am I getting? What are they delivering for me? I would go back to the first question and what do I need to keep as a core competency inside versus outside? I wouldn't worry about, it might be the technology question right now I'm going to have even these other crazy agencies. What I would worry about is what do I know I need to outsource and have people help me with that are going to come up with the best ideas. And I mean, agencies still do that today because to come up with a creative idea you need that expertise that is outside of your industry. So I don't see that ever changing. I mean, I could be right. I would ask you in terms of, because you said because brand matters and I always look at Harley Davidson as kind of the extreme brand loyalty where people tattoo it on their bodies and there's a whole ecosystem outside of the motorcycle that's a real passionate group of people. Should everybody strive for that? Can everybody? I mean, they can't get quite to where everybody's tattooing brands on their arm but where kind of the limits and is it kind of appropriate based on what the product is? How do people think about that spectrum? I might be a little biased on that. I always think brand matters. I always think that when you think of something if you don't in your head know what that stands for whether or not it's a positive or negative is not really relevant. It's yes, I think it does. Now, should they strive to be that? No, but they have to be differentiated and they have to have people know what they do quickly because if you have to figure it out like, I mean people struggle with that today in terms of knowing where to go for what so without a clear value proposition differentiation and a brand that matches that and a brand you can live up to with every experience it's going to be rough. You might have some early success but it won't, I don't know that it'll last over time and strong brands kind of carry you through some tough times too. If sales are down or the market changes, things like that. Well, we'll keep doing our interviews at events and getting the smart people. So what is your brand? We interview smart people and all the answers come out. That's right. We're the community. Janine, thanks so much for coming on and sharing these awesome insights. Thank you guys. Final question, what's going on in the show for you? What are some of the hallway conversations you're speaking? What's the top storyline for you here at the show? It's two things. It's what's going on in the market with our clients as we just talked about and it's what's going on in our own industry. I mean, there's craziness in our own industry which is kind of fun. You know, what players do what and who's going to do what and where's this all going and it's fun. I mean, it's really, really fun and exciting to be a part of this industry. Well, thanks for coming on. It's the queue where we're extracting the signal from the noise at this event.  We'll be right back with more coverage after this short break.


Vices are not crimes, a vindication of moral liberty by Lysander Spooner. 1. Vices are those acts by which a man harms himself or his property. Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another. Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others and no interference with their persons or property. In vices, the very essence of crime, that is, the design to injure the person or property of another, is wanting. It is a maxim of the law that there can be no crime without a criminal intent, that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. But no one ever practices a vice with any such criminal intent. He practices his vice for his own happiness solely and not for many malice toward others. Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty or property, no such things as the right of one man to the control of his own person and property, and the corresponding and co-equal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property. For a government to declare a vice to be a crime and to punish it as such is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood or falsehood truth. Two. Every voluntary act of a man's life is either virtuous or vicious. That is to say, it is either in accordance or in conflict with those natural laws of matter and mind on which his physical, mental and emotional health and well-being depend. In other words, every act of his life tends, on the whole, either to his happiness or to his unhappiness. No single act in his whole existence is indifferent. Furthermore, each human being differs in his physical, mental and emotional constitution and also in the circumstances by which he is surrounded from every other human being. Many acts, therefore, that are virtuous and tend to happiness in the case of one person are vicious and tend to unhappiness in the case of another person. Many acts also that are virtuous and tend to happiness in the case of one man at one time and under one set of circumstances are vicious and tend to unhappiness in the case of the same man at another time and under other circumstances. Three. To know what actions are virtuous and what vicious. In other words, to know what actions tend on the whole to happiness and what to unhappiness. In the case of each and every man, in each and all the conditions in which they may severally be placed is the profoundest and most complex study to which the greatest human mind has ever been or ever can be directed. It is, nevertheless, the constant study to which each and every man, the humblest in intellect as well as the greatest, is necessarily driven by the desires and necessities of his own existence. It is also the study in which each and every person from his cradle to his grave must necessarily form his own conclusions because no one else knows or feels or can know or feel as he knows and feels the desires and necessities, the hopes and fears, and impulses of his own nature or the pressure of his own circumstances. Four. It is not often possible to say of those acts that are called vices that they really are vices except in degree. That is, it is difficult to say of any actions or courses of action that are called vices that they really would have been vices if they had stopped short of a certain point. The question of virtue or vice therefore in all such cases is a question of quantity and degree and not of the intrinsic character of any single act by itself. This fact adds to the difficulty, not to say the impossibility, of anyone's except each individual for himself drawing any accurate line or anything like any accurate line between virtue and vice. That is, of telling where virtue ends and vice begins. And this is another reason why this whole question of virtue and vice should be left for each person to settle for himself. Five. Vices are usually pleasurable, at least for the time being, and often do not disclose themselves as vices by their effects until after they have been practiced for many years, perhaps for a lifetime. For many, perhaps most of those who practice them, they do not disclose themselves as vices at all during life. Virtues, on the other hand, often appear so harsh and rugged, they require the sacrifice of so much present happiness, at least, and the results which alone prove them to be virtues are often so distant and obscure, in fact, so absolutely invisible to the minds of many, especially of the young, that from the very nature of things there can be no universal or even general knowledge that they are virtues. In truth, the studies of profound philosophers have been expended, if not wholly in vain, certainly with very small results, in efforts to draw the lines between the virtues and the vices. If then it became so difficult, so nearly impossible in most cases, to determine what is and what is not vice, and especially if it be so difficult in nearly all cases to determine where virtue ends and vice begins. And if these questions which no one can really and truly determine for anybody but himself are not to be left free and open for experiment by all, each person is deprived of the highest of all his rights as a human being to wit his right to inquire, investigate, reason, try experiments, judge, and that's retained for himself, what is to him virtue and what is to him vice. In other words, what on the whole conduces to his happiness, and what on the whole tends to his unhappiness. If this great right is not to be left free and open to all, then each man's whole right as a reasoning human being to liberty and the pursuit of happiness is denied him. 6. We all come into the world in ignorance of ourselves and of everything around us. By a fundamental law of our natures, we are all constantly impelled by the desire of happiness and the fear of pain. But we have everything to learn as what will give us happiness and save us from pain. No two of us are wholly alike, either physically, mentally, or emotionally, or consequently in our physical, mental, or emotional requirements for the acquisition of happiness and the avoidance of unhappiness. No one of us therefore can learn this indispensable lesson of happiness and unhappiness of virtue and vice for another. Each must learn it for himself. To learn it, he must be at liberty to try all experiments that commend themselves to his judgment. Some of his experiments succeed, and because they succeed, are called virtues. Others fail, and because they fail, are called vices. He gathers wisdom from as much from his failures as from his successes. From his so-called vices as from his so-called virtues. Both are necessary to his acquisition of that knowledge, of his own nature and of the world around him, and of their adaptations or non-adaptations to each other, which shall show him how happiness is acquired and pain avoided. And, unless he can be permitted to try these experiments to his own satisfaction, he is restrained from the acquisition of knowledge and consequently from pursuing the great purpose and duty of his life. Seven. A man is under no obligation to take anybody's word or yield to anybody's authority on a matter so vital to himself in regard to which no one else has or can't have any such interest as he. He cannot, if he would, safely rely upon the opinions of other men because he finds that the opinions of other men do not agree. Certain actions or courses of action have been practiced by many millions of men through successive generations and have been held by them to be, on the whole, conducive to happiness and therefore virtuous. Other men, in other ages or countries or under other conditions, have held as the result of their experience and observation that these actions tended, on the whole, to unhappiness and were therefore vicious. The question of virtue or vice, as already remarked in a previous section, has also been, in most minds, a question of degree, that is, of the extent to which certain actions should be carried and not of the intrinsic character of any single act by itself. The questions of virtue and vice have therefore been as various and, in fact, as infinite as the varieties of mind, body, and condition of the different individuals inhabiting the globe. And the experience of ages has left an infinite number of these questions unsettled. In fact, it can scarcely be said to have settled any of them. Eight. In the midst of this endless variety of opinion, what man or what body of man has the right to say in regard to any particular action or course of action, we have tried this experiment and determined every question involved in it. We have determined it not only for ourselves, but for all others. And, as to all those who are weaker than we, we will coerce them to act in obedience to our conclusion. We will suffer no further experiment or inquiry by anyone, and consequently, no further acquisition of knowledge by anybody. Who are the men who have the right to say this? Certainly, there are none such. The men who really do say it are either shameless imposters and tyrants who would stop the progress of knowledge and usurp absolute control over the minds and bodies of their fellow men, and are therefore to be resisted instantly and to the last extent.  We know, however, that there are such men as these in the world. Some of them attempt to exercise their power only within a small sphere, to wit upon their children, their neighbors, their townsmen, and their countrymen. Others attempt to exercise it on a larger scale. For example, an old man at Rome, aided by a few subordinates, attempts to decide all questions of virtue and vice. That is, of truth or falsehood, especially in matters of religion. He claims to know and teach what religious ideas and practices are conducive or fatal to a man's happiness, not only in this world, but in that which is to come. He claims to be miraculously inspired for the performance of this work, thus virtually acknowledging like a sensible man that nothing short of miraculous inspiration would qualify him for it. This miraculous inspiration, however, has been ineffectual to enable him to settle more than very few questions. The most important to which common mortals can attain is an implicit belief in his, the Pope's, infallibility. And secondly, that the blackest vices of which they can be guilty are to believe and declare that he is only a man like the rest of them. It required some 1500 or 1800 years to enable him to reach definite conclusions on these two vital points. Yet it would seem that the first of these must necessarily be preliminary to his settlement of any other questions. Because until his own infallibility is determined, he can authoritatively decide nothing else. He has, however, here to fore attempted or pretended to settle a few others. And he may perhaps attempt or pretend to settle a few more in the future if he shall continue to find anybody to listen to him. But his success, thus far, certainly does not encourage the belief that he will be able to settle all questions of virtue and vice, even in his peculiar department of religion, in time to meet the necessities of mankind. He or his successors will undoubtedly be compelled at no distant day to acknowledge that he has undertaken a task to which all his miraculous inspiration was inadequate. And that, of necessity, each human being must be left to settle all questions of this kind for himself. And it is not unreasonable to expect that all other popes, in other and lesser spheres, will sometime have cause to come to the same conclusion. No one, certainly, not claiming supernatural inspiration should undertake a task to which obviously nothing less than such inspiration is adequate. And clearly no one should surrender his own judgment to the teaching of others unless he be first convinced that these others have something more than ordinary human knowledge on this subject. If those persons who fancy themselves gifted with both the power and the right to define and punish other man's vices would but turn their thoughts inwardly, they would probably find that they have a great work to do at home, and that, when that shall have been completed, they will be little disposed to do more toward correcting the vices of others than simply to give to others the results of their experience and observation. In this sphere, their labors may be possibly useful, but in the sphere of infallibility and coercion, they will probably, for well-known reasons, meet with even less success in the future than such men have met with in the past. Nine. It is now obvious from the reasons already given that government would be utterly impracticable if it were to take cognizance of vices and punish them as crimes. Every human being has his or her vices. Nearly all men have a great many, and they are of all kinds, physiological, mental, emotional, religious, social, commercial, industrial, economical, and so on and so on. If government is to take cognizance of any of these vices and punish them as crimes, then, to be consistent, it must take cognizance of all and punish all impartially. The consequence would be that everybody would be in prison for his or her vices. There would be no one left outside to lock the doors upon those within. In fact, courts enough could not be found to try the offenders, nor prisons enough built to hold them. All human industry in the acquisition of knowledge, and even in acquiring the means of subsistence, would be arrested. For we should all be under constant trial or imprisonment for our vices. But even if it were possible to imprison all the vicious, our knowledge of human nature tells us that, as a general rule, they would be far more vicious in prison than they ever been out of it. Ten.  The most that anyone proposes is that government shall punish someone, or at most a few, of what he esteems the grossest of them. But this discrimination is an utterly absurd, illogical, and tyrannical one. What right has anybody of men to say, the vices of other men we will punish, but our own vices nobody shall punish? We will restrain other men from seeking their own happiness according to their own notions of it, but nobody shall restrain us from seeking our own happiness according to our own notions of it. We will restrain other men from acquiring any experimental knowledge of what is conducive or necessary to their own happiness. But nobody shall restrain us from acquiring an experimental knowledge of what is conducive or necessary to our own happiness. Nobody but knaves or blockheads ever thinks of making such absurd assumptions as these, and yet evidently it is only upon such assumptions that anybody can claim the right to punish the vices of others, and at the same time claim exemption from punishment for his own. 11. Such a thing as a government formed by voluntary association would never have been thought of if the object proposed had been the punishment of all vices impartially, because nobody wants such an institution, or would voluntarily submit to it. But a government formed by voluntary association for the punishment of all crimes is a reasonable matter, because everybody wants protection for himself against all crimes by others, and also acknowledges the justice of his own punishment if he commits a crime. 12. It is a natural impossibility that a government should have a right to punishment for their vices. Because it is impossible that a government should have any rights except such as the individuals composing it had previously had as individuals. They could not delegate to a government any rights they did not themselves possess. They could not contribute to the government any rights except such as they themselves possessed as individuals. Now nobody but a fool or an impostor pretends that he as an individual has a right to punish other men for their vices. But anybody and everybody have a natural right as individuals to punish other men for their crimes. For everybody has a natural right not only to defend his own person and property against aggressors, but also to go to the assistance and defense of everybody else whose person or property is invaded. The natural right of each individual to defend his own person and property against an aggressor and to go to the assistance and defense of everyone else whose person or property is invaded is a right without which men could not exist on the earth. And government has no rightful existence except insofar as it embodies and is limited by this natural right of individuals. But the idea that each man has a natural right to decide what are virtues and what are vices, that is, what contributes to that neighbor's happiness and what do not, and to punish him for all those that do not contribute to it is what no one ever had the impudence or folly to assert. It is only those who claim that government has some rightful power which no individual or individuals ever did or could delegate to it, the claim that government has any rightful power to punish vices. It will do for a pope or a king who claims to have received direct authority from heaven to rule over his fellow men, to claim the right as the vice-region of God to punish men for their vices. But it is a sheer and other absurdity for any government claiming to derive its power wholly from the grant of the governed to claim any such power because everybody knows that the governed would never grant it. For them to grant it would be an absurdity because it would be granting away their own right to seek their own happiness. Since to grant away their right to judge of what will be for their happiness is to grant away all their right to pursue their own happiness. 13. We can now see how simple, easy and reasonable a matter a government is for the punishment of crimes as compared with one for the punishment of vices. Crimes are few and easily distinguished from all other acts, and mankind are generally agreed as to what acts are crimes, whereas vices are innumerable and no two persons are agreed except in comparatively few cases as to what are vices. Furthermore everybody wishes to be protected in his person and property against the aggressions of other men, but nobody wishes to be protected either in his person or property against himself because it is contrary to the fundamental laws of human nature itself that anyone should wish to harm himself. He only wishes to promote his own happiness and to be his own judge as to what will promote and does promote his own happiness. This is what everyone wants and has a right to as a human being. And although we all make many mistakes and necessarily must make them from the imperfection of our knowledge, yet these mistakes are no argument against the right because they all tend to give us the very knowledge we need and are in pursuit of and can get in no other way. The object aimed at in the punishment of crimes therefore is not only wholly different from, but is directly opposed to that aimed at in the punishment of vices. The object aimed at in the punishment of crimes is to secure to each and every man alike the fullest liberty he can possibly have consistently with the equal rights of others to pursue his own happiness under the guidance of his own judgment and by the use of his own property. On the other hand the object aimed at in the punishment of vices is to deprive every man of his natural right and liberty to pursue his own happiness under the guidance of his own judgment and by the use of his own property. These two objects then are directly opposed to each other. They are as directly opposed to each other as our light and darkness or as truth and falsehood or as liberty and slavery. They are utterly incompatible with each other and to suppose the two to be embraced in one and the same government is an absurdity, an impossibility.  14. Finally on this point of individual liberty every man must necessarily judge and determine for himself as to what is conducive and necessary to and what is destructive of his own well-being.  Popes and priests and kings will assume to perform it for him in certain cases if permitted to do so. But they will in general perform it only insofar as they can minister to their own vices and crimes by doing it. They will in general perform it only insofar as they can make him their fool and their slave. Parents, with better motives no doubt than the others, too often attempt the same work. But insofar as they practice coercion or restrain a child from anything not really and seriously dangerous to himself, they do him a harm rather than a good. It is a law of nature that to get knowledge and to incorporate that knowledge into his own being each individual must get it for himself. Nobody, not even his parents, can tell him the nature of fire so that he will really know it. He must himself experiment with it and be burnt by it before he can know it. Nature knows a thousand times better than any parent what she designs each individual for, what knowledge he requires and how he must get it. She knows that her own processes for communicating that knowledge are not only the best but the only ones that can be effectual. The attempts of parents to make their children virtuous are generally little else than attempts to keep them in ignorance of vice.  They are little else than attempts to make them seek and appreciate health by keeping them in ignorance of disease and of everything that will cause disease.  In short, they are little else than attempts to make their children happy by keeping them in ignorance of everything that causes them unhappiness. insofar as parents can really aid their children in the latter's search after happiness by simply giving them the results of their, the parents' own reason and experience. It is all very well and is a natural and appropriate duty. But to practice coercion in matters of which the children are reasonably competent to judge for themselves is only an attempt to keep them in ignorance. And this is as much a tyranny and as much a violation of the children's right to acquire knowledge for themselves and such knowledge as they desire, as is the same coercion when practiced upon older persons.  It is a denial of their right to themselves and to the use of their own powers. It is a denial of their right to acquire the most valuable of all knowledge to wit the knowledge that nature, the great teacher, stands ready to impart to them. The results of such coercion are not to make the children wise or virtuous but to make them ignorant and consequently weak and vicious. And to perpetuate through them from age to age the ignorance, the superstitions, the vices, and the crimes of the parents. This is proved by every page of the world's history. Those who hold opinions opposite to these are those whose false and vicious theologies or whose own vicious general ideas have taught them that the human race are naturally given to evil rather than good. To the false rather than the true. That mankind do not naturally turn their eyes to the light, that they love darkness rather than light and that they find their happiness only in those things that tend to their misery. 15. But these men who claim that government shall use its power to prevent vice will say or are in the habit of saying we acknowledge the right of an individual to seek his own happiness in his own way and consequently to be as vicious as he pleases. We only claim that government shall prohibit the sale to him of those articles by which he ministers to his vice. The answer to this is that the simple sale of any article whatever, independently of the use that is to be made of the article is legally a perfectly innocent act. The quality of the act of sale depends wholly upon the quality of the use for which the thing is sold. If the use of anything is virtuous and lawful, then the sale of it for that use is virtuous and lawful. If the use is vicious, then the sale of it for that use is vicious. If the use is criminal, then the sale of it for that use is criminal. The seller is at most only an accomplice in the use that is to be made of the article sold whether the use be virtuous, vicious, or criminal. Where the use is criminal, the seller is an accomplice in the crime and punishable as such. But where the use is only vicious, the seller is only an accomplice in the vice and is not punishable. 16. But it will be asked, is there no right on the part of government to arrest the progress of those who are bent on self-destruction? The answer is that government has no rights whatever in the matter so long as these so-called vicious persons remain sane, compost-medus, capable of exercising reasonable discretion and self-control. Because so long as they do remain sane, they must be allowed to judge and decide for themselves whether their so-called vices are really vices, whether they really are leading them to destruction, and whether on the whole they will go there or not. When they shall become insane, non-compost-medus, incapable of reasonable discretion or self-control, their friends or neighbors or the government must take care of them and protect them from harm against all persons who would do them harm in the same way as if their insanity had come upon them from any other cause than their supposed vices. But because a man is supposed by his neighbors to be on the way to self-destruction from his vices, it does not therefore follow that he is insane, non-compost-medus, incapable of reasonable discretion and self-control within the legal meaning of those terms. Men and women may be addicted to very gross vices and to a great many of them such as gluttony, drunkenness, prostitution, gambling, prize-fighting, tobacco-chewing, smoking and snuffing, opium-eating, corset-wearing, idleness, waste of property, avarice, hypocrisy, and so on and so on, and still be sane, compost-medus, capable of reasonable discretion and self-control within the meaning of the law. And so long as they are sane, they must be permitted to control themselves and their property and to be their own judges as to where their vices will finally lead them. It may be hoped by the lookers-on in each individual case that the vicious person will see the end to which he is tending and be induced to turn back. But if he chooses to go on to what other men call destruction, he must be permitted to do so. And all that can be said of him so far as this life is concerned is that he made a great mistake in his search after happiness and that others will do well to take warning by his fate. As to what may be his condition in another life, that is a theological question with which the law in this world has no more to do than it has with any other theological question touching men's condition in a future life. If it be asked how the question of a vicious man's sanity or insanity is to be determined, the answer is that it is to be determined by the same kinds of evidence as is the sanity or insanity of those who are called virtuous and not otherwise. That is, by the same kinds of evidence by which the legal tribunals determine whether a man should be sent to an asylum for lunatics or whether he is competent to make a will or otherwise dispose of his property. And he doubt must weigh in favor of his sanity as in all other cases and not of his insanity. If a person really does become insane, non-compass medice, incapable of reasonable discretion or self-control, then it is a crime on the part of other men to give to him or sell to him the means of self-injury. There are no crimes more easily punished, no cases in which juries would be more ready to convict than those where a sane person should sell or give to an insane one, any article with which the latter was likely to injure himself. Seventeen. But it will be said that some men are made by their vices dangerous to other persons. That a drunkard, for example, is sometimes quarrelsome and dangerous toward his family or others. And it will be asked, has the law nothing to do in such a case? The answer is that if either from drunkenness or any other cause a man be really dangerous either to his family or to other persons, not only himself may be rightfully restrained, so far as the safety of other persons requires, but all other persons who know or have reasonable grounds to believe him dangerous may also be restrained from selling or giving to him anything that they have reason to suppose will make him dangerous. But because one man becomes quarrelsome and dangerous after drinking spiritus liquors, and because it is a crime to give or sell liquor to such a man, it does not follow at all that it is a crime to sell liquors to the hundreds and thousands of other persons who are not made quarrelsome or dangerous by drinking them. Before a man can be convicted of a crime in selling liquor to a dangerous man, it must be shown that the particular man to whom the liquor was sold was dangerous, and also that the seller knew or had reasonable grounds to suppose that the man would be made dangerous by drinking it. The presumption of law is, in all cases, that the sale is innocent, and the burden of proving it criminal in any particular case rests upon the government, and that particular case must be proved criminal independently of all others. Subject to these principles, there is no difficulty convicting and punishing men for the sale or gift of any article to a man who is made dangerous to others by the use of it. 18. But it is often said that some vices are nuisances, public or private, and that nuisances can be abated and punished. It is true that anything that is really and legally a nuisance, either public or private, can be abated and punished. But it is not true that the mere private vices of one man are, in any legal sense, nuisances to another man or to the public. No act of one person can be a nuisance to another, unless it, in some way, obstructs or interferes with that other's safe and quiet use or enjoyment of what is rightfully his own. Whatever obstructs a public highway is a nuisance and may be abated and punished. But a hotel where liquors are sold, a liquor store, or even a grog shop, so called, no more obstructs a public highway than does a dry-good store, a jewelry store, or a butcher's shop. Whatever poisons the air or makes it either offensive or unhealthful is a nuisance. But neither a hotel nor a liquor store nor a grog shop poisons the air, or makes it offensive or unhealthful to outside persons. Whatever obstructs the light to which a man is legally entitled is a nuisance. But neither a hotel nor a liquor store nor a grog shop obstructs anybody's light, except in cases where a church, a schoolhouse, or a dwelling house would have equally obstructed it. On this ground, therefore, the former are no more and no less nuisances than the latter would be. Some persons are in the habit of saying that a liquor shop is dangerous, in the same way that gunpowder is dangerous. But there is no analogy between the two cases. Gunpowder is liable to be exploded by accident and especially by such fires as often occur in cities. For these reasons, it is dangerous to persons and property in its immediate vicinity. But liquors are not liable to be thus exploded and therefore are not dangerous nuisances in any such sense as is gunpowder in cities. But it is said, again, that drinking places are frequently filled with noisy and boisterous men, who disturb the quiet of the neighborhood and the sleep and the rest of the neighbors. This may be true occasionally, though not very frequently. But whenever, in any case, it is true, the nuisance may be abated by the punishment of the proprietor and his customers and if need be, by shutting up the place. But an assembly of noisy drinkers is no more a nuisance than is any other noisy assembly. A jolly or hilarious drinker disturbs the quiet of a neighborhood no more and no less than does a shouting religious fanatic. An assembly of noisy drinkers is no more and no less, a nuisance than is an assembly of shouting religious fanatics. Both of them are nuisances when they disturb the rest and sleep or quiet of neighbors. Even a dog that is given to barking, to the disturbance of the sleep or quiet of the neighborhood, is a nuisance. 19. But it is said that for one person to entice another into a vice is a crime. This is preposterous. If any particular act is simply a vice, then a man who entices another to commit it is simply an accomplice in the vice. He evidently commits no crime because the accomplice can certainly commit no greater offense than the principal. Every person who is sane, compass medice, possessed of reasonable discretion and self-control, is presumed to be mentally competent to judge for himself of all the arguments pro and con that may be addressed to him to persuade him to do any particular act, provided no fraud is employed to deceive him. And if he is persuaded or induced to do the act, his act is then his own. And even though the act proved to be harmful to himself, he cannot complain that the persuasion or arguments to which he yielded his assent were crimes against himself. When fraud is practiced, the case is of course different. If, for example, I offer a man poison, assuring him that it is a safe and wholesome drink, and he, on the faith of my assertion, swallows it, my act is a crime. Volunti nonfit injuria is a maxim of the law. To the willing, no injury is done. That is, no legal wrong. And every person who is sane, compass medice, capable of exercising reasonable discretion in judging of the truth or falsehood of the representations or persuasion to which he yields his assent, is willing in the view of the law, and takes upon himself the entire responsibility for his acts when no intentional fraud has been practiced upon him. This principle that to the willing no injury is done has no limit except in the case of frauds or of persons not possessed of reasonable discretion for judging in the particular case. If a person possessed of a reasonable discretion and not deceived by fraud consents to practice the grossest vice and thereby brings upon himself the greatest moral, physical, or pecuniary sufferings or losses, he cannot allege that he has been legally wronged. To illustrate this principle take the case of rape. To have carnal knowledge of a woman against her will is the highest crime next to murder that can be committed against her. But to have carnal knowledge of her with her consent is no crime but at most a vice. And it is usually holding that a female child of no more than ten years of age has such reasonable discretion that her consent even though procured by rewards or promises of reward is sufficient to convert the act which would otherwise be a high crime into a simple act of vice. We see the same principle in the case of prize fighters. If I but lay one of my fingers upon another man's person against his will, no matter how lightly and no matter how little practical injury is done, the act is a crime. But if two men agree to go out and pound each other's faces to a jelly, it is no crime but only a vice. Even duels have not generally been considered crimes because each man's life is his own and the parties agree that each may take the other's life if he can by the use of such weapons as are agreed upon and in conformity with certain rules that are also mutually assented to. And this is a correct view of the matter unless it can be said, as it probably cannot, that anger is a madness that so far deprives men of their reason as to make them incapable of reasonable discretion. Gambling is another illustration of the principle that to the willing no injury is done. If I take but a single scent of a man's property without his consent, the act is a crime. But if two men who are composmentous, possessed of reasonable discretion to judge of the nature and probable results of their act, sit down together and each voluntarily stakes his money against the money of another on the turn of a die and one of them loses his whole estate, however large that may be, it is no crime but only a vice. It is not a crime even to assist a person to commit suicide if he be in possession of his reason. It is a somewhat common idea that suicide is of itself conclusive evidence of insanity. But although it may ordinarily be very strong evidence of insanity, it is by no means conclusive in all cases. Many persons in undoubted possession of their reason have committed suicide to escape the shame of a public exposure for their crimes or to avoid some other great calamity. Suicide in these cases may not have been the highest wisdom, but it certainly was not proof of any lack of reasonable discretion. And being within the limits of reasonable discretion, it was no crime for other persons to aid it, either by furnishing the instrument or otherwise. And if in such cases it be no crime to aid a suicide, how absurd to say that it is a crime to aid him in some act that is really pleasurable and which a large portion of mankind have believed to be useful. 20. But some persons are in the habit of saying that the use of spiritus liquorus is the great source of crime, that it fills our prisons with criminals and that this is reason enough for prohibiting the sale of them. Those who say this, if they talk seriously, talk blindly and foolishly. They evidently mean to be understood as saying that a very large percentage of all the crimes that are committed among men are committed by persons whose criminal passions are excited at the time by the use of liquors and in consequence of the use of liquors. This idea is utterly preposterous. In the first place, the great crimes committed in the world are mostly prompted by avarice and ambition. The greatest of all crimes are the wars that are carried on by governments to plunder, enslave, and destroy mankind. The next greatest crimes committed in the world are equally prompted by avarice and ambition and are committed not on sudden passion, but by men of calculation who keep their heads cool and clear and who have no thought whatever of going to prison for them. They are committed not so much by men who violate the laws as by men who, either by themselves or by their instruments, make the laws by men who have combined to usurp arbitrary power and to maintain it by force and fraud and whose purpose in usurping and maintaining it is by unjust and unequal legislation to secure to themselves such advantages and monopolies as will enable them to control and extort the labor and properties of other men and thus impoverish them in order to minister to their own wealth and to grandestment. The robberies and wrongs thus committed by these men in conformity with the laws that is their own laws are as mountains to molehills compared with the crimes committed by all other criminals in violation of the laws. But thirdly, there are vast numbers of frauds of various kinds committed in the transactions of trade whose perpetrators, by their coolness and sagacity, evade the operation of the laws. And it is only their cool and clear heads that enable them to do it. Men under the excitement of intoxicating drinks are little disposed and utterly unequal to the successful practice of these frauds. They are the most incautious, the least successful, the least efficient and the least to be feared of all the criminals with whom the laws have to deal. Fourthly, the professed burglars, robbers, thieves, forgers, counterfeiters and swindlers who prey upon society are anything but reckless drinkers. Their business is of too dangerous a character to admit of such risks as they would thus incur. Fifthly, the crimes that can be said to be committed under the influence of intoxicating drinks are mostly assaults and batteries, not very numerous and generally not very aggravated. Some other small crimes as petty thefts or other small trespasses upon property are sometimes committed under the influence of drink by feeble-minded persons, not generally addicted to crime. The persons who commit these two kinds of crime are but few. They cannot be said to fill our prisons. Or, if they do, we are to be congratulated that we need so few prisons and so small prisons to hold them. The state of Massachusetts, for example, has a million and a half people. How many of these are now in prison for crimes, not for the vice of intoxication but for crimes, committed against persons or property under the instigation of strong drink? I doubt if there be one in ten thousand, that is, one hundred fifty in all, and the crimes for which these are in prison are mostly very small ones. And I think it will be found that these few men are generally much more to be pitied than punished for the reason that it was their poverty and misery rather than any passion for liquor or for crime that led them to drink and thus led them to commit their crimes under the influence of drink.  The legislators who authorize and the judges who practice such atrocities as these are intrinsically criminals, unless their ignorance be such, as it probably is not, as to excuse them. And if they were themselves to be punished as criminals, there would be more reason in our conduct. A police judge in Boston once told me that he was in the habit of disposing of drunkards by sending them to prison for 30 days, I think that was the stereotype sentence, at the rate of one in three minutes and sometimes more rapidly even than that, thus condemning them as criminals and sending them to prison without mercy and without inquiry into circumstances for an infirmity that entitled them to compassion and protection instead of punishment. The real criminals in these cases were not the men who went to prison, but the judge and the men behind him who sent them there. I recommend to these persons who are so distressed lest the prisons of Massachusetts be filled with criminals that they employ some portion at least of their philanthropy in preventing our prisons being filled with persons who are not criminals. I do not remember to have heard that their sympathies have ever been very actively exercised in that direction. On the contrary, they seem to have such a passion for punishing criminals that they care not to inquire particularly whether a candidate for punishment really be a criminal. Such a passion, let me assure them, is a much more dangerous one and one entitled to far less charity both morally and legally than the strong passion for drink. It seems to be much more consonant with the merciless character of these men to send an unfortunate man to prison for drunkenness and thus crush and degrade and dishearten him and ruin him for life than it does for them to lift him out of the poverty and misery that caused him to become a drunkard. It is only those persons who have either little capacity or little disposition to enlighten and courage or aid mankind that are possessed of this violent passion for governing, commanding and punishing them. If instead of standing by and giving their consent and sanction to all the laws by which the weak man is first plundered, oppressed and disheartened and then punished as a criminal, they would turn their attention to the duty of defending his rights and improving his condition and of thus strengthening him and enabling him to stand on his own feet and withstand the temptations that surround him, they would, I think, have little need to talk about laws and prisons for either rum sellers or rum drinkers or even any other class of ordinary criminals. If, in short, these men who are so anxious for the suppression of crime would suspend for a while their calls upon the government for aid in suppressing the crimes of individuals and would call upon the people for aid in suppressing the crimes of the government, they would show both their sincerity and good sense in a much stronger light than they do now. When the laws shall all be so just and equitable as to make it possible for all men and women to live honestly and virtuously and to make themselves comfortable and happy, there will be much fewer occasions than now for charging them with living dishonestly and viciously. 21 But it will be said again that the use of spiritual liquors tends to poverty and thus to make men paupers and burdensome to the taxpayers and that this is a sufficient reason why the sale of them should be prohibited. There are various answers to this argument. One answer is if the fact that the use of liquors tends to poverty and pauperism be a sufficient reason for prohibiting the sale of them, it is equally a sufficient reason for prohibiting the use of them, for it is the use and not the sale that tends to poverty. The seller is, at most, merely an accomplice of the drinker and it is a rule of law as well as a reason that if the principle in any act is not punishable, the accomplice cannot be. A second answer to the argument is that if government has the right and is bound to prohibit any one act that is not criminal, merely because it is supposed to tend to poverty, then by the same rule it has the right and is bound to prohibit any and every other act, though not criminal, which in the opinion of the government tends to poverty. And on this principle the government would not only have the right but would be bound to look into every man's private affairs and every person's personal expenditures and determine as to which of them did and which of them did not tend to poverty and to prohibit and punish all of the former class. A man would have no right to expend the scent of his own property according to his own pleasure or judgment unless the legislature should be of the opinion that such expenditure would not tend to poverty. A third answer to the same argument is that if a man does bring himself to poverty and even to beggary, either by his virtues or his vices, the government is under no obligation whatever to take care of him unless it pleases to do so. It may let him perish in the street or depend upon private charity if it so pleases. It can carry out its own free will and discretion in the matter for it is above all legal responsibility in such a case. It is not necessarily any part of a government's duty to provide for the poor. A government that is a legitimate government is simply a voluntary association of individuals who unite for such purposes and only for such purposes as suits them. If taking care of the poor whether they'd be virtuous or vicious, be not one of those purposes, then the government as a government has no more right and is no more bound to take care of them than has or is a banking company or a railroad company. Whatever moral claims a poor man whether he be virtuous or vicious may have upon the charity of his fellow men, he has no legal claims upon them. He must depend wholly upon their charity if they so please. He cannot demand as a legal right that they either feed or clothe him and he has no more legal or moral claims upon a government which is but an association of individuals than he has upon the same or any other individuals in their private capacity. Inasmuch then as a poor man whether virtuous or vicious has no more or other claims legal or moral upon a government for food or clothing than he has upon private persons, a government has no more right than a private person to control or prohibit the expenditures or actions of an individual on the ground that they tend to bring him to poverty. Mr. A. as an individual has clearly no right to prohibit any acts or expenditures of Mr. Z. Through fear that such acts or expenditures may tend to bring him Z to poverty and that he Z may in consequence at some future unknown time come to him A. in distress and ask charity. And if A. has no such right as an individual to prohibit any acts or expenditures on the part of Z then government which is a mere association of individuals can have no such right. Certainly no man who is composmentous holds his right to the disposal and use of his own property by any such worthless tenure as that which would authorize any or all of his neighbors whether calling themselves a government or not to interfere and forbid him to make any expenditures except such as they might think would not tend to poverty and would not tend to ever bring him to them as a supplicant for their charity. Whether a man who is composmentous come to poverty through his virtues or his vices no man nor body of men can have any right to interfere with him on the ground that their sympathy may sometime be appealed to in his behalf because if it should be appealed to they are at perfect liberty to act their own pleasure or discretion as to complying with his solicitations. As a consequence the poor are left to a great extent to depend upon private charity. In fact they are often left to suffer sickness and even death because neither public nor private charity comes to their aid. How absurd then to say that government has a right to control a man's use of his own property through fear that he may sometime come to poverty and ask charity. Still a fourth answer to the argument is that the great and only incentive which each individual man has to labor and to create wealth is that he may dispose of it according to his own pleasure or discretion and for the promotion of his own happiness and the happiness of those whom he loves. Although a man may often from inexperience or want of judgment expend some portion of the products of his labor injudiciously and so as not to promote his highest welfare yet he learns wisdom in this as in all other matters by experience by his mistakes as well as by his successes and this is the only way in which he can learn wisdom. When he becomes convinced that he has made one foolish expenditure he learns thereby not to make another like it and he must be permitted to try his own experiments and to try them to his own satisfaction in this as in all other matters for otherwise he has no motive to labor or to create wealth at all. Any man who is a man who would rather be a savage and be free creating or procuring only such little wealth as he could control and consume from day to day then to be a civilized man knowing how to create and accumulate wealth indefinitely and yet not permitted to use or dispose of it except under the supervision, direction and dictation of a set of meddlesome, super-serviceable fools and tyrants who with no more knowledge than himself and perhaps with not half so much should assume to control him on the ground that he had not the right or the capacity to determine for himself as to what he would do with the proceeds of his own labor. A fifth answer to the argument is that if it be the duty of government to watch over the expenditures of any one person who is compass-mitus and not criminal to see what ones tend to poverty and what do not and to prohibit and punish the former then by the same rule it is bound to watch over the expenditures of all other persons and prohibit and punish all that in its judgment tend to poverty. If such a principle were carried out impartially the result would be that all mankind would be so occupied in watching each other's expenditures and in testifying against, trying and punishing such as tended to poverty that they would have no time left to create wealth at all. Everybody capable of productive labor would either be in prison or acting as judge, juror, witness or jailer. It would be impossible to create courts enough to try or to build prisons enough to hold the offenders.  If it be said that a man may at least be rightfully compelled to support his family and consequently to abstain from all expenditures that in the opinion of the government tend to disable him to perform that duty various answers might be given. But this one is sufficient that no man unless a fool or a slave would acknowledge any family to be his if that acknowledgement were to be made an excuse by the government for depriving him either of his personal liberty or the control of his property. When a man is allowed his natural liberty and the control of his property his family is usually, almost universally, the great and paramount object of his pride and affection and he will not only voluntarily but as his highest pleasure employ his best powers of mind and body not merely to provide for them the ordinary necessities and comforts of life but to lavish upon them all the luxuries and elegancies that his labor can produce. A man enters into no moral or legal obligation with his wife or children to do anything for them except what he can do consistently with his own personal freedom and his natural right to control his own property at his own discretion. If a government can step in and say to a man who is accomplishmentous and who is doing his duty to his family as he sees his duty and according to his best judgment however imperfect that may be we the government suspect that you are not employing your labor to the best advantage for your family. We suspect that your expenditures and your disposal of your property are not so judicious as they might be for the interest of your family and therefore we the government will take you and your property under our special surveillance and prescribe to you what you may and may not do with yourself and your property and your family shall hereafter look to us the government and not to you for a support. If a government can do all this all a man's pride ambition and affection relative to this family would be crushed so far as it would be possible for human tyranny to crush them and he would either never have a family whom he would publicly acknowledge to be his or who would risk both his property and his life in overthrowing such an insulting outrageous and insufferable tyranny and any woman who would wish her husband he being accomplishmentous to submit to such an unnatural insult and wrong is utterly undeserving of his affection or of anything but his disgust and contempt and he would probably very soon cause her to understand that if she chose to rely on the government for the support of herself and her children rather than on him she must rely on the government alone. 22 Still another and all sufficient answer to the argument that the use of spiritualist liquors tends to poverty is that as a general rule it puts the effects before the cause it assumes that it is the use of liquors that causes the poverty instead of it being the poverty that causes the use of liquors. Poverty is the natural parent of nearly all the ignorance, vice, crime and misery there are in the world. Why is it that so large a portion of the laboring people of England are drunken and vicious? Certainly not because they are by nature any worse than other men.  This is the chief cause of the drunkenness and other vices that prevail among the laboring people of England. If those laborers of England who are now drunken and vicious had had the same chances and surroundings in life as the more fortunate classes have had if they had been reared in comfortable and happy and virtuous homes instead of squalid and wretched and vicious ones if they had had opportunities to acquire knowledge and property and make themselves intelligent, comfortable, happy, independent and respected and to secure to themselves all the intellectual, social and domestic enjoyments which honest and justly rewarded industry could enable them to secure if they could have had all this instead of being born to a life of hopeless unrewarded toil with a certainty of death in the workhouse they would have been as free from their present vices and weaknesses as those who reproach them now are. It is of no use to say that drunkenness or any other vice only adds to their miseries for such is human nature, the weakness of human nature if you please that men can endure but a certain amount of misery before their hope and courage fail and they yield to almost anything that promises present relief or mitigation though at the cost of still greater misery in the future. To preach morality or temperance to such wretched persons instead of relieving their sufferings or improving their conditions is only insulting their wretchedness. Will those who are in the habit of attributing men's poverty to their vices instead of their vices to their property as if every poor person or most poor persons were specially vicious tell us whether all the poverty within the last year and a half that has been brought so suddenly as it were in a moment upon at least 20 millions of the people of the United States were brought upon them as a natural consequence either of their drunkenness or of any other of their vices. Was it their drunkenness or any other of their vices that paralyzed as by a stroke of lightning all the industries by which they lived and which had but a few days before been in such prosperous activity?  Was it their vices that all at once without warning filled the homes of so many of them with want, misery, sickness and death? No. Clearly it was neither the drunkenness nor any other vices of these laboring people that brought upon them all this ruin and wretchedness and if it was not, what was it? This is the problem that must be answered for it is one that is repeatedly occurring and constantly before us and cannot be put aside. In fact, the poverty of the great body of mankind the world over is the great problem of the world. That such extreme and nearly universal poverty exists all over the world and has existed through all past generations proves that it originates in causes which the common human nature of those who suffer from it has not hitherto been strong enough to overcome. But these sufferers are at least beginning to see these causes and are becoming resolute to remove them, let it cost what it may. And those who imagine that they have nothing to do but go on attributing the poverty of the poor to their vices and preaching to them against their vices will ere long wake up to find that the day for all such talk is past and the question will then be not what are men's vices. But what are their rights?


The National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control, NAVDAC, alongside the National Primary Health Care Development Agency, has destroyed 1,066,214 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. They were destroyed at the Gosa dumping site that's about two kilometers away from the Idu Railway Station in Abuja. According to the Director General of NAVDAC, Professor Mojishola Adeye, the decision to destroy the vaccines followed several testing processes that were conducted. They are part of the over 2.5 million doses of vaccines received on 11th and 29th of October 2021. 1,527,886 of the vaccines were said to have been utilized. In the last couple of days that we have successfully withdrawn about 1,066,214 doses of expired AstraZeneca vaccines. As you can see, these vaccines have now been deposited by the Abuja Environmental Protection Agency. We have come through our promise to all Nigerians to be transparent in our delivery of vaccines. These vaccines did not expire before we took the decision to withdraw them. Today is an opportunity for Nigerians to have further faith in our vaccination program. This is the handing over ceremony that NAVDAC is receiving the 1 million plus doses of vaccines and now NAVDAC will destroy it in collaboration with Primary Health. News updates.