We will go ahead and call to order the December 7th 2023 meeting of the historic preservation commission Welcome can we have the role, please? Commissioner Jacobi here commissioner Barnard Thank you. All right. Thank you. We do have a quorum First order of business is approval of the November 2nd 2023 meeting minutes Do any commissioners have any comments or questions concerning those? If no, I would entertain a motion Okay, I have a motion to approve the minutes from Commissioner Fencer and a second from Commissioner Jacobi all those in favor Any opposed none the minutes are approved. Thank you Report from the chair. I don't have anything specific to review So we'll pass that time to communications from HPC staff liaison What do you have for us tonight? Just a couple of things and I think Glenn's gonna tag on with a couple items after I'm finished. So first item is the 554 Collier Street appeal denial of certificate of appropriateness and certificate of hardship I did send an email to the commission out. It has been appealed. So We will be back at city council To discuss this item with that appeal at the December 19th meeting. So that is when that will be on the agenda. So we're getting that package put together right now and the other thing is Really tagging on to and a discuss tagging on to one of our presentations tonight just a sort of a setting the stage The Tower of Compassion. We're starting to talk We're beginning discussion with our parks department staff since it is their asset As far as you know getting that process started since it is you know has been determined to be eligible for land marking Ultimately city council would have to recommend that and be the one the decision maker that we could pursue it So we're basically starting those internal discussions now And then in terms of the survey plan Working with our on-call consultant to finalize that particular scope. They have a Historic preservation Subcontractor they use so we are finalizing the scope of that So we should be in good shape to get moving on that at the beginning of the year great Mr. Chair and HBC members at the last meeting there was a question about The southwest corner of Collier and 3rd Avenue that was there and then it wasn't So we did look into that the applicant Did go through the process that he was supposed to go through or he was asked to go through he submitted his application he paid his fees He worked with utility companies on shutting off the utilities He got his asbestos mitigation taken care of he went to planning staff to talk about the existing trees But it did not proceed to the liaison and our council liaison to give it a look to see if it's Potentially landmark worthy it was built in 1925 It's been there on the corner. It's been surrounded by industrial commercial type uses And I think it was a miss and the staff missed it primarily because we have brand new people in the permit counter And then some a few in the planning department. So when we figured out that it was a miss The other issue we found out was we have a permit system That is kind of our last stop to catch and make sure we do things It's geared for landmarks if there's a potential landmark boom red lights go off, but on the 50 years or older It does not go off. So we've sat down with staff and explained to them This is a particular area when you're looking at the the town site not just the Hanna neighborhood not the west side But it extends further extends south 3rd Avenue and I think in staff's mind They think of the residential areas as the protection zone So anyhow, we've clarified it with staff and we're working to put that stop gap into our Excel a permit system Anything within the original town site gets flagged and it's gonna fall in Jennifer's lap basically to take a look at So and then I mean going forward after we get that fix The survey plan is is a big part of making sure we if there is something that is landmark worthy we identified There's no surveys done on this property. We even checked the state Because it was a state highway So I thought well potentially it got picked up there, but we don't have any kind of Report on it. So I did want to clarify that with you let you know what happened We did look into it and we're taking steps to make sure it doesn't happen again I'd be happy to answer any questions, you know, the commissioners might have Thanks for that Commissioners any questions or comments? No, all right. Yeah, okay Commissioner Jacobi Commissioner Jacobi there you go. Yeah, as far as the Tower of Compassion I naively suggested making that a landmark at our retreat And in time for the historic preservation month, which was last May Are we going to be able to coordinate that do you think by this May for the historic preservation month? I? Don't know the answer to that question, but it's a Goal, I mean will hopefully have a Better idea of where we are so if it's I mean I don't know that we could meet all the various Public hearing and notice requirements at this point. However We'll certainly try Because there are other departments involved and other moving parts We just need to I can't I can't commit to When we could have it done simply because so much of it's out of my hands sure there's lots of priorities probably more important than Historic preservation month, but I think we should try to keep that in the back of our mind and try to get it By then if we can it's a good call. All right. Thank you Even if it lands on council by that time if it's not executed just be very symbolic Yeah, yeah, it's a couple of other things mr. Chair On Tuesday, we're presenting for the first time council your amended Ordinance so that'll happen and then we hopefully won't get a whole lot of questions a whole lot of changes And we'll proceed to put it on the agenda for adoption And then you have a new council liaison. It will be mayor Peck Going forward in 2024. So that was a committee change Just this week when they had their reorganization or their organization meeting Okay, that's it Regarding the the zero reading will that be at council or in our study session your presentation It will be at the regular meeting, but it will be under general business So it is not on the agenda for first or second reading. This is what we call zero So we'll present it we gave them the draft the red line draft and I'll go through it And hopefully and Jeremy will be there and hopefully we can answer any questions that might come up. Okay let's see Commissioner Jacobi had a question. Yeah, so with the updates on the code Is that going to include the recommendation we made previously about? Let's see. What was it it was for waving the fees for Conservation overlays for designated neighborhood groups that we discussed and we approved as a commission Is that going to be on the list of updates that you're going to present? No, it's just what you've been reviewing for the last Several months. No the amendments actually to this stored preservation code. There's nothing about fees in there I know you asked to amend the land development code right at some point But no, it's not a part of that's not going to be part of the recommended amendments no and That's because why Well, I think when we talked about that that's that has to be a direction from council And I think the council is on brings that forward to council and says or we bring it forward when we get to the budget and say it's now on our work plan, but That direction comes from city council as far as amendments to the code So all those amendments that we reviewed we're already. Yes reviewed. Okay. Yes for all right many years. Yeah, I'm sure years All right. Thank you. You bet Okay, no other questions for staff. Thank you for all of that information We'll now open up the public invited to be heard We don't have any public hearings, so I don't have to tell you that it's not for something that's a Otherwise on the agenda So I do have a list here, and if there's anyone that's not on the list we can accommodate at the end The first speaker I have here is Bob McLaughlin. You would come up you please state your name And address and you'll have three minutes to provide comment Members of the Historic Preservation Commission staff. My name is Bob McLaughlin I live at 6 20 Emery Street And I'm here to speak to you on that behalf of the Historic East Side Neighborhood Association or Hanna Let me first apologize for my speech impediment as a result of a stroke in the spring I'm not sensitive about the issue So please ask me to repeat myself if you don't understand something that I say Hanna is committed to fostering a sense of community in our neighborhood Eastside residents share a connection through the architecture of our properties and the development pattern in the neighborhood as a whole The Eastside has the largest concentration of intact houses from long months early development period From the mid 1980s until the zoning change in 2018 The architecture of the Eastside was protected by its unique RLE Zoning designation those protections disappeared in 2018 Creating a conservation overlay district merely recreates the protections that were part of the RLE zone a CO district allows more flexibility and can apply to a larger area than when qualified for a local historic district At a pre-application conference in April Hanna asked for changes in three requirements of the CO district Number one wave notification to property owners outside the proposed district Creating a CO district will have no effect on the properties outside its boundaries Number two since Hanna is a registered neighborhood group in Longmont wave payment of the more than $2,000 in administrative fees And number three make changes to the section on residential lot coverage However, we have not found a suitable alternative to the lot coverage language So at this time we do not ask for any change in the lot coverage section The conservation overlay district has been the land use code since the 1990s But it had never been used in Longmont. This is not an issue for a single neighborhood We will use this tool now, but it can be useful to several other older neighborhoods in the future I'm here tonight to ask you to take the final action on changes to the language in the land development code Related to the conservation overlay districts. I also want to add something based on the last comment from the staff The city council on September 5th It was moved by Joan Peck and seconded by Sean McCoy to direct the staff to bring back the conservation Overlay is rezoning for the historic east side at a regular meeting after the historic Preservation Commission made its ruling and it was approved 7-0 Allow a few extra seconds. Okay, that's really the end of my comments But it was approved by all council members So I Feel that direction has been given to staff to take on this project I'll Thank you for for the opportunity to speak to you. Thank you Mrs. Clark No, okay Paula Fitzgerald Commission Pleasure to be here tonight. My name is Paula Fitzgerald and I live at 419 Emory Street in the Hanna neighborhood First, thank you for Only at city council I'm good then Okay, well, thank you so I feel like I'm speaking to the choir because I think we both have the same goals Which is historic preservation? For Hanna as as Bob has mentioned we've had some protection or we had some protections starting in the 1980s with the RLE zone and then When we were changed to residential single-family that went away We were insured by staff at that time that they would come back and rectify that situation which is now we're talking about five years and Still yet to be done. So we've decided to move forward on our own so asking for a waiver of fee and notification area I think are our pretty Pretty easy asks Again, we're not a development. So it's not going to Affect anything we're just asking for conservation and preservation of what we have right now So it's not like we're asking for development review or plan review or any of that sort of thing Then the notification area as Bob mentioned It's not going to affect anybody outside of our neighborhood. I don't know how that could possibly happen So I think both of those are pretty simple requests and hopefully you support that in forwarding that information to council So I asked that you recommend approval of these requests for waiver to a city council and we can move forward with this The other thing I wanted to mention is that I worked for the city for 22 years in parks And my last project before I retired was the tower of compassion the improvement there with the change of staff and You know just so many new people There's some historic information there if anyone has any questions on that. I'm more than happy to help you with that It's a near and dear project to me, and I think it totally deserves historic designations. So I support you on that Thanks so much. Thank you. I didn't get her in time to sign up Sharon O'Leary 534 Emory Street Historic preservation your job description on the city website says consider matters relating to protecting and enhancing and preserving properties of historic geographic or architectural significant Significance in the city historic buildings are tangible links to the past Historic Eastside neighborhood is the oldest neighborhood in Longmont Small humble homes close to the railroad as people made their fortune or better fortune Westside larger homes our neighborhood is intact because of our old zoning and on a Promise and commitment with our neighborhood working together with the city We worked on zoning and the ball's been dropped and it's beginning to feel uncomfortable at this point We went for a pre-meeting and the way The need to have the fee waived is important. We're not an HOA So I have done everything as co-chair in the neighborhood by the books. I'm in NGLA I applied for a grant. I had to present my idea to all the other neighborhoods They approved it. They gave us money to continue to do historical surveys They gave us money to do the mailings to contact our neighborhood to inform them about about a conservation overlay zone And then another mailing to go ahead and do the voting We also held our neighborhood picnic and it was received with overwhelming Response we want to preserve our neighborhood So what we're asking is that I Agree with Bob. I think there was discrepancy and information that was given out tonight Mayor peck made a motion to bring it back to HPC and I think it was seconded by Aaron Rodriguez So it's just time to move forward. We need your help So we can finish this process Spend the money we've been given by the city because the citizens of the city thought it was a very good idea so We can't move ahead and tell the code is changed We need to have to have the accommodation Accommodation of the fee waiver and the area that needs to be notified and this isn't just self-centered I think like Paula or Bob mentioned down the line other neighborhoods will want it and NGLA is is the liaison of city to neighborhood and we're playing everything by the rules And we always have and now I'm coming to the next leg of the ladder And that's historic preservation and the balls in your court and you need to direct Back to city council that you approve the changes So I appreciate your time, but let's really let's carry on with preservation every year We lose opportunities. So I think we've been really patient and now we're asking you to move forward Thank you for your time. I really appreciate this commission Thank you. Okay Anyone else? I don't see anybody else from here for public comments. So I'll go ahead and close The public invited to be heard We do not have any items that are public hearings. So we'll move on to Next item of new business, which is our Tower of Compassion Cultural Resource Survey To the Commission so following direction from the Commission about Looking into the possible landmarking of the Tower of Compassion we commissioned call McWilliams to conduct a cultural resources survey of this asset and He is here tonight to share with you his findings about this particular property This particular structure So thought you would be interested in hearing about this in terms of the process for where we are from the city This is because this is a parks Maintain is basically a parks asset because it is in Kanemoto Park We are having discussions internally with Park staff to You know as I mentioned in my staff report determine a path forward for for preservation of this property So with that I am going to invite mr. McWilliams up to the podium to talk about his findings Carl McWilliams with cultural resource historians nice to be here. Thank you for having me and thank you for giving me the opportunity to Research and survey what's one of the most interesting Resources or projects that I really have had the opportunity To do in my mind I kind of like a top five or ten list of the many projects that I've done over the past several years And I'm Kind of have to kind of have moved some property out of that to move this in because it really is a special property It has such a rich rich history I'm sure you're probably all somewhat familiar with the history of the property, but I'll maybe just give a quick overview The story starts with the Garuku Kanemoto Who immigrated from Japan in 1907 by way of Mexico? He was originally planning to go to Canada but he got off the train at Denver is the Union Station when he learned that there might be possibility of a work on a railroad crew that had a Japanese foreman and So that's why he got off the train in Denver in 19 and 20 he or in 1910 he was actually Working as a coal miner in northern New Mexico but by The mid-1910s he'd come back to Colorado was in the Canfield area in south of Longmont here where he is working as a farm labor In 1916 his family in Japan arranged for a young Japanese woman To become his bride in an arranged marriage They gave birth to three children who later adopted the Anglo names of Jimmy Faith and George They farmed in the Canfield area and then moved somewhat closer to Longmont here near the sugar factory by 1930 and they were tenant farmers during that time and But in 1935 a Garuku died in a automobile accident leaving Satsuno and the three teenage children and They persevered they opened up a Kind of I'll kind of show you some of the family here This is the family early 1920s with Garuku and Satsuno and the three children Jimmy's on the left George is in the middle and faith is on the right and This is their marriage certificate, which I thought was really neat and and you know what this There's so many layers to the story and one of the words that keep coming back to me was courage, you know courage of Garuku to come to America to begin with as an immigrant, which was not all that uncommon many people did that at that time, but Satsuno came at the age of 22 as a young woman boarded a Boat a ship to come to a country that she'd never been to didn't speak the language didn't know anybody I to marry a man that she had never met And that after arrival they were married in the Buddhist Church in Seattle he signed the marriage certificate in English and if you can see there in the middle of lower part She signed in in Japanese and so just you know the courage for her to come and do that. I thought it was just You know just amazing. I thought And then after Garuku passed away. They opened a Freshway market on South Main Street in the you know South part of Longmont here where they sold vegetables that they that they grew themselves on the farm there and they actually Had the vegetable business there up until 1968, which was long after they had developed other interests And there's the more extended Kanemoto family in the early 1960s Satsuno the matriarch is on the left George is in the Right on the right in the back there and Jimmy's on the left with their children After their father died in 1935 the three siblings for a time left School to help their mother work on the farm and things but they didn't eventually go back to school and it finished their educations the two brothers Jimmy and George married sisters who are of Japanese the daughters of Japanese immigrants from Lafayette Whose names were Chayo or Chayoko and Jane so the two brothers married the two sisters Which I found interesting because my family my father and mother also had siblings who were That were the same and so I always kind of thought that was kind of interesting But that the two couples really formed You know a partnership between the husbands and wives in between you know that the two couples they really forged a partnership together And and then kind of getting back to the term of courage You know in the 1980 1940s the family who had been Tenant farmers in the area south of Longmore here were offered an opportunity to go into debt to purchase the land Or at least it you know a portion of the land And it was not an easy decision to make but they did make that wise decision But that that took courage as well and then the big part of the story relates to World War two and the internment or Detainment incarceration of Japanese Americans that occurred at that time Due to extreme xenophobia against Japanese poor people that occurred after World War two but in Colorado, you know No persons of Japanese descent were actually incarcerated Because of in large part the attitude of Governor Ralph Carr who was very much opposed to that and in Longmont area The neighbors and community as a whole Really supported the Kanemoto family. They understood that they were being persecuted They gave them support and the Kanemoto family really appreciated that and they never forgot about it So, you know the other aspect of courage is the courage of people like Ralph Carr to stand up in the face of what they knew was wrong and The courage of neighbors of the Kanemoto's to also to offer them the support of to do what was right and to be supportive of them at that time So, you know, they bought the land in the 1940s and continued to farm it until the 1960s when at that time Things were starting to develop in Longmont, especially to the south IBM had come in on the diagonal FAA facility had come and many of the things were happening And so the land, of course became very valuable and ripe for development and they decided to develop it themselves. They also Went into other enterprises including the cane companies they patented farming type of irrigation machinery In the later years as you can see in their advertising for the cane companies Which was located exactly the same location as where the Freshway Market had been located that the family had done earlier But they used the Tower of Compassion in their advertising and this advertisement actually was in a Jewish, I'm sorry, Japanese Newspaper that was published in Denver that they advertised in frequently So in early 1970s Jimmy and his wife Choyo went to Japan and visited Pagoda's there and kind of hit on the idea of building a pagoda In Kanamoto Park to honor their father But also as a gift to the city to acknowledge their as an expression of their compassion and appreciation for all the compassion They've been showing them over the years, but especially during World War two The Kanamoto's when they developed the land and the neighborhood They donated the land for Kanamoto Park as well as the land for the Burlington school Which is adjacent there and set that aside and they did many other things in the community in terms of donating and helping and became just really really involved as you know Great community members and the two brothers had such you could tell they had just such a special relationship between themselves As well as between the two couples Jimmy was always the more extrovert outgoing kind of the front person George was the person who took care of all the details behind And so it's just kind of interesting to see there how everything worked with the two families and there's the two brothers probably in 1990s Jimmy's on the left. George's is on the right And I guess that's the last side that I had just a few slides. So, you know in terms of the report, you know Great history Nice construction history did some research on the people who are involved in building it I kind of gathered that a lot of their time and effort was donated Or at reduced cost Otherwise, I think you know the Kanamoto family just pretty much took care of everything the tower Compassion was construction was started in May of 1973 and in September of that year. They had a dedication that was attended by the mayor City manager as well as the governor of Colorado many other dignitaries were there and They just you know, the two brothers just were very expressive of the appreciation that they had for the community back to the World War two days and also about But the tower represented in terms of Compassion in terms of findings, you know, I don't think there's any question You know, I certainly evaluated it is eligible for local landmark designation as well as eligible for the state and national register we've had you know informal communication from the state that they also believe it's eligible for the national register and You know, I know you have internal discussions you need to have with parks and things, but if there's interest on the city's part To move forward with that, you know, I'd certainly be open to Becoming involved with helping that process through Any questions? Yeah, perhaps could you explain a little bit about what that process entails to to be The state and national sure First of all, well it requires the preparation and Submittal of a state and or national register nomination anything that's listed on the national register is obviously is Automatically also listed on the state register But it involves a report similar to what we've done here with a little bit more detail and Maybe a little bit more research maybe fleshing out a few things one thing I if I were to get involved that I would want to flesh out I did quite a bit of research on immigration law in the US, especially as it applied to Asian Americans and For a national official level documentation, I'd want to delve into that a little bit deeper or just flesh that out a little bit more so just you know, it's some some modifications or Enhancements to the nomination just to add a little bit more detail The nomination goes to staff there that reviews it and maybe Interacts with the prepare the nomination in terms of suggestions for edits or improvements and then it goes before the state review board for consideration at a meeting the state review board and The nomination preparer owners of the property or people from the city would be welcome to come and speak on behalf They do put out of there's a formal process where there's a notice that goes out if anybody wants to object to the nomination and At that meeting the board makes a recommendation to forward The nomination or not or to return it for corrections or edits but if they approve it they prove it to not to forward it to the I Think it's it's The board of history Colorado, which is part of the Department of Education and that's usually a formality If the state review board approves the nomination It's pretty much guaranteed to go on and then from there goes on to the to Washington to the keeper of the national register Which is part of the National Park Service where they formally Would list it in the National Register of Historic Places the state review board meets three times a year January May and September And then the there's a deadline to have the nomination in For each number for each review board meeting that's maybe about three months prior So for example if the city was interested in Being on the May agenda, which might be pretty ambitious I think that the deadline for that would probably be sometime like coming up in January I don't have the exact dates, but it's usually may be around three months in advance So that's kind of the the process All right. Thank you. Any commissioners have any other questions or comments for Mr. Williams. Yeah Commissioner Barnard. What's that? What about the historic preservation Commission's role in all of this? Well, your commission as I understand it would be to I've made an evaluation that it's eligible for local animals Landmark designation and effectively have a document that's an application for designation So my understanding is that your role at some point and maybe you can listen when that point would be to Make a recommendation to counsel in that regard whether you not you agree with that evaluation or want to move forward With the designation so your role would be at the local landmark level And then just kind of getting back to this to state and national this being listed on the state or national register does not add any or entail any regulatory Restrictions or impose any type of regulatory Aspects to the to the property Follow up Great. Come back to staff then as far as with that how they see this proceeding at the at our level So the first step first of all is continuing our basically Ensuring that the the parks department is is on board Ultimately City Council will have to basically direct staff to pursue Landmark designation since it is a city-owned asset With that if we get that direction Then it would come back before this Commission for Review and recommendation to City Council who are the ultimate decision-maker to Dedicate or to designate the property Thank you. So I'm just trying to understand if I were the mayor City Council person How I'm going to give a direction Without input from somebody So we would basically present The report that the report that mr. McWilliams prepared You know, we would make a presentation to Council say staff recommends this do you wish to have Do you wish to pursue this and Yeah, if so, we will prepare the formal application package and send it through the process as defined in chapter 2.56 So could our direction tonight be a motion to recommend this to Council to Know in other words to not wait around for them to decide to put this on an agenda, but to like make a formal Recommendation that they look at this. I think that would I don't see why not Yeah, I don't see why not okay, all right Commissioner Fenster I Had essentially the same question and that is is there some action? that we Should be taking at this time and does that need to be done in a formal motion and If so, where where does that go next? Just so that we don't have a lot of unnecessary delays Mr. Chairman commissioners The example I'm aware of is the silo and that was brought forward by a Jason neighbor So usually the first part of the application is you want to know to does the owner agree? Which is what I was thinking we would do just out of hand, but if you want to give us direction to do that Please but it will come back before you Because then you will make a recommendation on whether it's a landmark and then we'll bring that ordinance back to Council So it's it's going to bounce back to you anyhow Right, I I mean I feel like the Commission is all in the same pager I think we ought to finish this you know this particular item with a motion to recommend Moving forward to Council With a request to make this a local landmark even if that means asking them to ask us But yeah Yeah Okay, we we have a motion on the floor to recommend That staff take this report to City Council with a request that we start a Local landmark designation for the Kanamoto Tower of Compassion adequately restated So we have a motion by Commissioner Barnard and a second by Commissioner Jacobi any discussion No, all those in favor. I Any opposed none motion carries. All right. Thank you. Thank you Williams for an excellent report And it's just really fascinating all the the additional background. It's thank you all for the opportunity. All right. Thank you Okay Set the second Is there a prospect that this Monument Memorial will become a federal landmark at some point and should that be encouraged or discouraged I think it's a fair question as you know, I think part of that In mr. McWilliams report he's noted that it's eligible or in his opinion at least eligible for all three levels I think that would be part of Staff's feedback, you know introduction to council right whether you'd want to take it it makes sense to take it further, but You know that can be a council discussion. I guess as far as how far it goes Right Okay Okay Our 2024 commission retreat so we have a we have a tentative date for that. Is that correct? Correct, so we have a tentative date subject to approval of this commission this evening of Saturday February 10th Probably similar timeframe that we did the last time so one to four ish We have a room on hold at the Longmont Museum for this date for their larger meeting room So plenty of space is spread out So Maria has been working on on finding a location. So this is I Would anticipate pay. I mean obviously at our January meeting will establish you know the Meeting dates for 2024. I believe I noted last At the last meeting that the regular meeting date for February Conflicts with the saving places conference and I I know quite a few of us will be at that so it seems that the retreat might reasonably take the place of that meeting but that is obviously something for this commission to To make it to decide so basically what we're proposing this evening we staff is Proposing a date of February 10th for the 2024 commission retreat to be held at the Longmont Museum and if we get that direction This evening Maria will confirm the room and we'll call it good and start preparing for it Okay, great commissioners any objections to that date, okay all right, then I'd entertain a motion do we want a motion to move forward with that or is that just adequate direction to We're we're all right. We'll move to accept the the date of February 14th for the February 10th for sorry for every time. I'm looking at yeah, sorry February 10th. Thank you for the correction Yes, right my bad. I'm looking at something else While I was saying that February 10th 2024 for the HBC retreat that's moved by Commissioner Barnard I'm gonna give the second to Commissioner Sibley since I was looking at that direction. All those in favor. Hi. All right. There you have it Okay Now on to our last item for this evening the historic east side conservation overlay update Staff do you Jennifer do you want to I'm gonna give this one to Glenn Oh, okay. Well, I'm gonna give to Rick Chacoby because he has to put this on the agenda So as long as I get a chance to follow up Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm just getting myself to that point. All right Red and green here. So Well, thank you. Yeah, so Just to back up and give a little history The neighborhood obviously has been pursuing the conservation overlay We've hit they have hit a road bump with regard to expenses We have discussed as a commission before whether we think Any neighborhood group should have to endure the expenses of the planning fee in addition to everything else and we agree that that was not an issue but When the neighborhood group went to City Council to request this they bounced the recommendation out to us So to open this I would like to just make it a formal motion I Move that we recommend City Council direct planning to initiate the conservation overlay process for the historic east side neighborhood while waving the planning fee and To support a waiver for the 1,000 foot peripheral area notification requirement Second We have a motion on the floor by Commissioner Jacobi in a second by Commissioner Barnett. I'd like to have discussion on the motion So do any commissioners have any comments or questions? No, okay. I I have only a Question about where things are in the process so I can understand all this information that we've been provided so it's am I correct in stating that that there has been an initial pre-application conference and What we're talking about doing is is applying the overlay district Rules they're already in the land use code as they are written to The to the east side neighborhood district. That's is that what we're what? I want to understand exactly what it is that We're talking about so sort of okay, so really kind of where we are in the process is a Pre-application meeting has held we was held we've laid out a roadmap for what needs to happen it's not really as simple as This the these rules just this applies to the east side neighborhood and zone at that way There's quite a bit of research and analysis and standard development that needs to be done. So it's You know, I'll I'll like Glenn pipe in but it's it's it's an undertaking and you know part of it There is a lot of work that needs to be done before it gets to the level of going to council I think the fee waivers and The note of the rate notice radius efforts. I'm going to turn it over to Glenn are probably the easy part But I think just just to back up We've been under the impression that an application is going to be made to us and we're going to evaluate it We go to planning and zoning commission. They make a recommendation. It goes to city council So that's when we did the pre-app we did just like any other developer and it might seem unfair Because here's a group of neighbors that want to put a zoning overlay on their property But we gave a couple of first steps one is I think we told them as far as notification from my standpoint We're good on that Because it doesn't really affect adjacent neighborhoods like putting in a Walmart for instance All we know is there I believe that they would like to change the coverage requirements So we did a simple analysis for them But really the first step even before they make an application Would be the neighborhood meeting and we talked through how that happens staff facilitates that And then as what was pointed out council said bring it back to council So they may direct staff to do all the work and I think that's the assumption of the folks behind me is that We're working behind the scenes to put this forward and staff initiate it So Outside of that council directness to do that We are in the mode of waiting for an application that actually lays out what the new Requirements what they'd like them to be there's also a provision for a set of design guidelines I don't know if that's part of their plan either But one thing I just want to point out is it wouldn't come to historic preservation It would be a planning and zoning commission and a city council decision So it's it's a rezoning and you typically wouldn't be part of the rezoning now if they wanted to go forward with a historic district That would be something that the HPC would be involved in so And we talked about this back on April 1st at our last retreat and we went through the differences between CO and putting a historic district in place and CO is zoning which means planning zoning commission makes recommendation city council Adopts it. It's not necessarily historic preservation I could see that it might lead up to it or it could be preserving Certain characteristics, but it's pretty clear in the code that it's it's not historic preservation Okay, thanks, so Basically, what's being asked of us right now is just those simple two things the The waiver of fee for the application and the waiver of the a thousand foot additional buffer Period, that's it. That's all that's being asked of HPC to make a recommendation to council to say Yeah, your fellow commissioners asking you to sit Yeah, I understand this is Under the zoning and so therefore it goes to the PNZ But really that the heart of a conservation overlay is preservation. It's preservation of a neighborhood context And so I think this it even though officially according to code The decision will be made through planning and zoning. I think it's reasonable for us to review this and I think it's reasonable for us to Pursue this as the preservation commission as far I believe Glen use you suggested that they still want to consider development within the properties and and as Bob mentioned, I think that was dropped. It's certainly that the way that the language is written in the The code it is trying to Make any additions to houses as far as size compatible with the rest of the neighborhood Unfortunately, that doesn't work well in our neighborhood that the lot sizes are so variable That the largest lots with the largest homes Because the homes are already larger than neighboring homes They cannot add an accessory dwelling unit even if they have a large lot in the smallest homes on the smallest lots Would qualify from this standpoint at least from the CO guidelines now we For an ADU even though there's almost no space on the lot for them They would have to follow other code guidelines for that But as you know, we've discussed before that the home was at 426 Emery You can fill a lot quite a bit and so the smallest lots would potentially get very filled The largest lots would have empty spaces. This was a problem for the neighborhood and we when I was working with the neighborhood group on this we discussed, you know a certain percentage size of Improvement footprint for each lot and doing it that way and that came up against well How do you measure it and there were two different measurements and it became a hornet's nest and we just said let's drop that for now Again that the point is the neighborhood would like to just move forward with the process by recommending By agreeing to my motion. We are not saying that we want the conservation overlay We are saying let the neighborhood go forward with a process which includes neighborhood meetings and Feedback from neighbors that goes to city council and city council and planning and zoning and they can discuss it and pursue it With their judgment, but right now. We're just trying to remove one roadblock so they can pursue that Great. Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. Any other questions or comments? No In that absence then I will call for a vote all those in favor of the motion as stated please say aye Any opposed none the motion carries unanimously Thank you okay That concludes the business portion of our meeting Any further comments from HPC commissioners Commissioner to Kobe one final comment since sunset has come happy Hanukkah to everybody who celebrates No, I I have one very brief comment, but I wanted to put it on the record I've been thinking a lot about this commission and our The requirements that we have vis-a-vis landmarks right in light of some of these discussions this About saving historic materials and I guess I wanted to It occurred to me that one of the reasons that we have this that this commission exists is that the state has this pool of money that is Can be allocated to citizens of the community that buy Historic homes and want to preserve them right and the way that we allow the citizens of our community to access those funds is By having this commission and upholding the rules that the state has set up for that process so when Some what it's it's even better really than an than an HOA right people buy property to Restrict themselves and their neighbors voluntarily if you buy a local landmark Property you're restricting yourself voluntarily, but you're also part of a community that is able to access Resources that you wouldn't otherwise be able to and I think it's really important to keep that in mind when we're sitting here Talking about these applications and why why we're even here at least specific to you know See a ways and that sort of thing. So I just wanted to throw that out. Thank you. Thank you. All right Seeing no City Council liaison I will accept the motion to adjourn All right. All right. I've got a motion from Commissioner Coby and seconded by Commissioner Barnett all those in favor Hi, we are adjourned. Thank you very much. I wasn't trying to draw it all out, but I really just wanted


having looked at all the various possible methods which are being used in the present day context and some of those methods are cage old methods, we will start looking into each individual method and go into the depth even those old methods for example the border irrigation method is an old method but we will try to look at how we can make use of the present knowledge to refine those methods, to make those methods more efficient and based on better principles the design parameters have to be evaluated. So that is what we will go into, now I do not want to again repeat those things that what the border irrigation method is will directly start with the design aspects, how we will look at the design aspects which are the various design aspects which we will have to concentrate on and that will be quite in line, so if you think of the design aspects first look at what is the objective of your design, objective of design in this method or for practical purpose in all the methods which we will look into, the objective will remain same, so it is more important to first clarify what is the objective, with what objective we are trying to go into the design aspects and this I think if you remember we had discussed this in detail and we had said that if you take the help of the two curves the recession curve and the advance curve, this is the recession curve and the advance curve these curves are characteristic of the other parameters for example this will be depending on what type of soil you are having, what type of slope is the prevailing slope and along with that what is the stream size, all those things put together they will decide what is the advance curve. So in this if you look at this uhh total picture we had also mentioned that at each individual point if this is a upstream end and this is the downstream end of the field, this is the field along the field at each individual location we can know what is the the opportunity for the water to infiltrate into the soil and thereby get absorbed into the soil as a function of what is the difference between these two curves. So the first objective and the only objective which will satisfy all your other requirements will become that if we can find all those techniques or all those possible uhh settings if we can make so that we can get a balance, get a balance between these two curves in such a way that these two curves produce an opportunity time along the total length of the field which is comparable from one to the other opportunity time or in other words if these two curves are parallel to each other the more they are parallel to each other you will have the chances of the opportunity time being seen those chances will increase. So as you go further down if you will try to go further down you will find that the opportunity time is reducing and this opportunity time on what basis it reduces this is all a function of the other set of conditions which are prevailing in the area in the location which is your target location. So that is what are when you are looking at the design you have to first consider all those conditions which are important conditions from this point of view and then evaluate what will be the possible recession and the advance curve and then come out with the design parameters which are many for example to give you an idea that when you say design parameters there are some parameters which are in your control. So if you change those the whole concept or all these details will also change. Example if you change the stream size your advance and the recession curve is going to be different. If you change the that is immediately in your control you can afford to your maximum might be dependent on what the irrigation department or what is the maximum capacity available at that particular location but below that is under your control you can always reduce your stream size lower than what is available at that location. So there is one option then you can also think in terms of shaping your area to get a different grade. So if you change the slope of your field then again you will get a different set of curves that is something which you can take a decision at the time of when you form your land before the sowing is done when you are repairing the field for the sowing.  Now when it comes to the soil type it might not be in your control but to a certain extent by doing some cultivation uhh practices you can slightly modify the behaviour of the soil by doing the tilling process. All those things all those different procedures can help the farmer to certain extent but not to a very large extent. If the basic type of the soil is some uhh if it is a silty soil it will remain silty soil or by adding the manure you might be slightly modifying the the characteristics of the soil the infiltration characteristics of soil or the moisture holding capacity of the soil. Those are only slight modifications. So there are some out of the total set of parameters for example in this case now the size of the field what is the length of the border which you will select in this particular specific case when you are looking at the border irrigation system. The length of the field will be again in your hand. As a farmer you can decide what is the maximum length of the field which you should be selecting. So out of the total set of parameters there are some parameters which are uhh easily manipulated. There are some parameters which are not as easily manipulated. So once you decide on what is the what is your uhh what is your preferences how you want to which parameters you want to restrict and which parameters you have the flexibility accordingly your design will be uhh you can use the design procedures and find out the set of dimensions with respect to the other selected conditions okay. That is the whole uhh gambit of the total uhh this uhh design procedure which we are going to look into. Now with that objective let us try to look at the various uhh uhh other quantities which we will be requiring when you are going for the design which are very important which you will have to consider. You cannot help you cannot proceed without those quantities with those those uhh items. The first of this though we have discussed all these things in some form or other we will try to just look over uhh uhh consider those things once again the soil intake characteristics. This we had discussed in detail when we are when we were discussing the infiltration process. So that time we had mentioned that the soil intake characteristics the area of irrigation water management we are basically interested more interested in the accumulative infiltration depth and we had also mentioned that this we can express in the form of this equation which we have discussed earlier. Now these cumulative intake equation is used because at at any time we want to know what is the value of infiltration which has taken place at a particular location with respect to the opportunity time. So this time is the opportunity time. There is the time for which the water availability was there on the top of the soil surface and the other A, B, C are the coefficients which can be evaluated for a particular soil which means that when you when you talk of the accumulative infiltration depth because basically the accumulative infiltration depth is nothing but indirectly is your demand that is what you want to store into the soil which is to be used by the crop ultimately. So when you look at uhh this equation this equation is dependent on what type of soil you are talking about and with that uhh uhh thing in mind is is quite difficult to evaluate these parameters every time every time you go in for a design you might not might find it difficult to have uhh these A, B, C evaluated for that specific soil. What the soil conservation service of US department of agriculture they came out with a set of a family of intake curves and this I had shown you at that time when we were discussing the infiltration process set of intake uhh curves what they are giving they give us the characteristics of soil intake with respect to the specific type of soil. So if you know your soil type you can find out what will be the various parameters of this equation this is available in the form of uhh coefficients is also available in the form of actual curves in the form of a plot or the set of curves which are plotted on and they can be used directly. These family of intake curves what do they mean what has been done we had discussed that every infiltration curve if we take the infiltration capacity curve that is the rate of infiltration versus time depending on the soil characteristics the infiltration capacity of the infiltration rate which is the the capacity rate that gets a specific value depending on the type of soil you are considering. Now this this this steady state infiltration capacity rate we had called it the basic infiltration. The basic infiltration basic infiltration rate is something which is unique for the soil for a specific soil you will get a steady state infiltration rate which will remain same which will remain similar irrespective of the conditions of the soil because that is that is something which is achieved after a long period under the conditions when this soil becomes quite saturated and that is what has been used to designate these these families. The family numbers have been given with respect to the basic infiltration rate. So once you know the the family with respect to the basic infiltration rate which is a unique characteristic then you can find out what is the relevant for that number this has been drawn the infiltrate the cumulative infiltration curves have been drawn for that basic infiltration rate numbers. The the family numbers of the the intake curves have been given numbers which are dependent on basic infiltration rate okay. Then another parameter which is quite important and you will be using quite often is the Manning coefficient of roughness designated as small n. Now whenever you are talking in terms of the flow characteristics it will be highly dependent on what is the roughness coefficient and the roughness coefficient varies a lot in the case of agricultural fields because of the fact that agriculture fields they go from the change of surface which is experienced on the fields is so much different and it varies from the time of preparation of the fields to the time when the ultimately the the crop is cultivated. So you will find that this one parameter and it needs a very very good evaluation you need to know this parameter quite quite closely you have to have reasonable values evaluated for this parameter because if this will go around all your computations which you are making during the process of your design they will also have a tendency to go around and it will give you some inferences which are not the true reflection of the actual conditions. To give you an idea you can see that the variation how much it varies let us take the case of smooth bare soil value of n can be 0.04. If you take small grain and you have drilled the rules parallel to the the strips value might be 0.1. If you change the the way you have done the sowing because in the case of it depends how you have sown the area so if the sowing is done in the perpendicular direction you have drilled the holes in the perpendicular direction of the border then you will have a value let me say dense either you have dense crops or you have small grain crops little rows across the strip the value can be as high as 0.25. See the variation that with just the way you have planted the crop that is also going to make lot of difference is going to create lot of resistance to the flow of water and that has to be taken into concentration. So the n value the Manning coefficient is a very important parameter and all your computations are dependent on this one parameter it can make lot of variations you have to be careful about this. Now let us come to the design equations how you proceed with the designs and the first of most important parameters which you might like to look into is the inflow rate what should be the inflow rate or what stream size you should select. One option is that you have a fixed stream size where you do not have any option available you might have to use that if that is the stream size as such the stream size is quite low you do not have any option available because you cannot go to a very low value of stream size. What we will do is that we will first look at we will have to look at the various design parameters from different angles. First we can look at the various equations which can be used then we will try to formulate some check conditions which can be used to check whether your design is appropriate or not. So considering the inflow rate let us try to consider a strip and try to find out what is the volume. If I assume a flow rate of small cube you know that what is the opportunity time which is required because when I start irrigation I am aware of how much is the net irrigation requirement. We have already discussed that the net irrigation requirement is because of the deficit which has been created in the root zone depth. So how much deficit has been created at the time when you are deciding to irrigate and that is a function of how much deficit can be tolerated by the crop. So once you have found that this is the deficit which can be tolerated by the crop you decide you have to go in for irrigation at that time how much is the amount of deficit that you either replenish the total deficit or you might decide to replenish deficit partly. So in that case your depth of irrigation requirement will be less than the total deficit which is available at that time okay but at the most it can be. So in any case whatever user is your decision I had given you the concept of deficit which is a function of the management decision. So that is what we are discussing. Let us not go into that let us try to assume that what is the deficit to be replenished you know so indirectly you know what is the opportunity time required to take care of the deficit. So if this T is known and you know you assume that Q is the sorry if you assume that Q is the stream size or the inflow rate and in the case of border irrigation the Q is taken in terms of a rate per unit width so this Q is available in terms of meter square per second. That is what is the volume which is needed to be admitted into the field and this will give you the total volume the discharge rate into the time the opportunity time for which the water has to be admitted. This is only one approximation we are not looking at the other things we will introduce the remaining concepts also the remaining requirements which are taking care of the other efficiencies that we have not yet considered. We are trying to look at what is the volume the minimum volume you can say which needs to be admitted if this depth what is always the depth it has to be taken care of. So this volume should be equal to this volume. Similarly on the requirement side if I want to know what is the volume of water required it can also be given in terms of this depth if I say that this depth is y n so this much depth over the total length of the field the length of the field is l this is the volume of water required per unit width of the border. I can use this this water balance or these two should match basically these two quantities should match so you can say that q into t should be equal to your y n into l this is the first design criteria this is the first design criteria which you can take which you can consider and you can find out now you have found a relationship between the two you can find out any quantity knowing the other set of quantities now here comes a decision what you know and what you want to find out. So let us assume that your interest is at this stage the inflow rate you want to know how much of the inflow rate. The inflow rate let me call it q u to make it per unit width this will be equal to y n into l by t now this t is a time is the application time or this is the opportunity time let us come back to this figure which we had used earlier which we had constructed we were discussing the total process of irrigation when we really apply the irrigation what are the various phases of irrigation and we had said that when we start the application this is the time to start and then keep on supplying the water at the upstream end at some time we stop the application that is the time when you finish the application. So t f was corresponding to the time when you have finished the application. Now if I if I see from the point of view at the upstream end of the border for how long I have supplied the water only from this end from t s to t f but for how long the water has been available at the upstream end the water has been available for some more time because the fact that the water when it was supplied the depth of water got accumulated over the surface so there was some retention of water there was some depth which got accumulated over the surface and that is a function of what are the characteristics what is the slope of the field and that depending on those characteristics there will be some depth of water which will be which will be established at the top of the surface and it will take some time to deplete from that particular location and that is what we had said was the depletion phase. So if we if we are interested in the total opportunity time the total opportunity time is different than the time for which you require to supply the water that is the point which we are trying to make. So there is some time which is if I say that I want to introduce that for how long I have to because this q u should be a function of the actual time for which you are supplying the water not the time of the time the opportunity time for which the water is standing there because we have seen that the water keeps standing there for some time over and above the time for which we have applied the water. So if I want to account for that then I should introduce that this is the if T n is the total time the total opportunity time I am reducing the lag time which is because of the depletion phase. This T l is will introduce those quantities l is the length let me use this l is the length of the border strip if we express that in meters y n is the net depth of application and normally this depth we express in millimeters and T n is the opportunity time this is expressed in minutes T l is the lag time again in minutes. So the lag time is the time for which the water will be available on the at the head end even after the water supply has been stopped. Now that is we have incorporated that here plus we can also incorporate the efficiency the application efficiency we had considered that while applying the water to achieve this you might need to apply some more water so it is a function of how much application efficiency we are achieving depending on the application efficiency you can use that application efficiency to find out how much is the intake rate which is desirable. So now this becomes a modified equation where you have here is the application efficiency in percentage. Now because of the units which we have used you will find that you will have to use some coefficient which has to be evaluated and that coefficient you can find out. Okay let us do that here. You have q u you want in if I say that q u should be in meter square per second okay y n is in millimeters so if I make this as meters l is in meters no problem then T n is time in minute so you want in second so you divide by 60 because the seconds are this is to be converted into seconds so it is basically minutes to seconds and what else you have in percentage instead of a fraction so you will have to multiply or divide this by 100 this will be multiplied by 100 okay that is the fraction which will be getting this fraction is 1 by 600 so you will get a fraction here into if you use these units this will be taken as 0 0 1 6 7 is it alright is it okay this equation now the q u equation is transformed into this equation which where you have taken care of the dimensions you have taken care of the efficiency you have taken care of the lag time and that can be that can be used. Let us look at the lag time the one way is that you observe the lag time but for every condition unless you go in for the evaluation procedures again that also we will try to deal with for every irrigation method there are 2 ways one is that you go into the field perform the irrigation and observe the data so that is the experimental method but that you cannot afford to do every time under every situation what is being done is that you are collecting the data through those evaluation procedures and then you are trying to establish the relationships and then you are on those relationships you are extending those relationships to find out how those relationships can be diversified to cover all the possible conditions practically is not possible to cover each individual condition and if there is a variation how those conditions will be changing conditions will be can be taken care of without going in for the actual practical procedures that is what we are trying to establish. But basically there are many times they have been checked they have been still there are some experimentation which is being done all over the world in various agricultural universities in various other agencies where they are trying to improve upon these these procedures and the set of relationships which are being given they are also being evaluated being updated and we are we are trying to is always easy whenever you are talking of a design procedure to have a set of procedures which are analytical which you can use comfortably with the help of your system or even manually you can afford to handle those. In the case of lag time two possible conditions have been separated out one is because the lag time or the recession the depletion phase will be a function of what type of slopes you are what are the prevailing slopes or it will be a dependent it will be a value which will be dependent on what is the normal depth how quickly you achieve the normal depth in that type of slope and which is a function of slope the slope is the predominant parameter in this particular case. So there are two conditions which have been classified first when you have the high gradient borders and the high gradient borders are the the value which has been taken is that anything steeper than 0.5 or 0.4 percent slope is termed as high gradient borders. So if you have slopes which are steeper than 0.4 then you will use this relationship and this QU we have already defined is the intake rate in meters, meters cube per second and is the merring coefficient S0 is the slope of the land surface. So the slope of the border strip in this particular case when the gradient is high you will find that in the this is basically this is derived from the Manning's equation in Manning's equation your S0 is not the land slope is the energy gradient line. So what you are approximating is that if the gradient is high you can take a slope the land slope can be approximated to the energy gradient slope whereas this would not be so if you have the gradients which are low gradients. So in that case if you have low gradient borders in which the slopes is slopes are less than 0.4 then your the relationship which is used for lag time is a similar relationship as you had other relationship but it is corrected for the slope of the the slope is not cannot be taken as the land slope anymore that slope has been corrected. So this is the final expression you see here that this is the additional this is only additional component which is nothing but it gives you the correction to S0 because in this particular case what is happening is that the normal flow is not reached that early it takes it might not be achieving the normal flow. So in that situation you will find that the energy gradient line and the the slope of the the field the wound match. So the the lag time can be I mean you can use the lag time equation depending on what type of conditions you are having what type of slope is the prevailing slope and that can be used for your design purpose. That means that your inflow time you can call it as T a inflow time for any particular location of the field you can evaluate knowing that how much is the total net time the net opportunity time and correcting that for the lag time. We will stop here because then we will next time in the next class we will we will try to cover the other aspects of the design parameters which can be considered or which are the possible options available and then we will also deal with the other quantities which are the check quantities because what happens in this particular case you have to ensure in the design parameters can be misleading at times. You might get a value of the intake discharge which is not suitable value from the practical concentrations and there is no provision in the design equations to give you a value there is no check which can evaluate that whether the value is the permissible value or it is some value which is not spreadable. Consider a value which is very low value and you will find that the basic impact of that if you will try to see on this it might give you a a advance curve which will become a very sharp it can it can be something like this can have a very steep slope because of the fact that the water has taken a lot of time to reach the downstream end. If you would have used a stream size which was reasonable size for the same slope you would have got a advance curve which is something entirely different because the shape of the advance curve is dependent on the soil characteristics as well as on the stream size as well as on the slope. So these three things put together will decide what is the advance curve. Let me give you an example what I am trying to bring home the point is that if you have one case where the stream size is very low you might get a advance curve which is this and let us assume that we we know the the slope for a particular set of conditions this advance curve if everything else remains same only that the Q u is changed by changing that Q u you can get another advance curve which is something like this. Now as far as the recession curve is concerned recession curve is not entirely dependent on the features what was the flow available or what was the size of the stream is a function of what has been established on the surface how much retention storage has been established and how it will deplete. So it might not change very much under the similar conditions when you have these two stream sizes the recession curve still might be something of this nature but if the recession curve remains similar and this changes drastically in one case you are getting the opportunity time which is highly different from this end to this end and the other case by just changing the stream size you are able to have opportunity time which is now almost parallel so that is what you will select that is what is your intention when you are going further when you are looking for the design parameters you are trying to find a combination which can give you this the set of these two curves so that your opportunity time is not varying very much from one section to the other section of the field and once you achieve that then you are indirectly achieving a uniform distribution okay. Any questions? Thank you.


Jack Holder, look at that. Powering to the front as they come out of the first corner. Madsen coming up the inside of Freddie Lingwin as they enter turn three on the first lap. Strong move there from Leon Madsen from Denmark. Freddie Lingwin trying to... We can see now that Leon Madsen's coming through with the wheel in the air coming into the corner and he's not slowing down. No, he is not. Out of the way. It was. It was a tough move. It was a ruthless move there from Leon Madsen. Got some problems here. And um, yeah, wrong helmet colour. Good. Should be a yellow. I do believe it's going to be excluded. Yes, the exclusion light has come on and that's desperately disappointing for Jan Kovec. We're on the track as we heard the riders saying during the interviews there that the track is cutting up just a little bit. Oh, Leon has gone down. Disappointment for the British rider. On the way with Leon Madsen at the back. Oh, the bike's broken. Yeah, yeah, the bike's broken in half. Oh my goodness gracious me. I'm sure the bikes, the forks... I've just had a message from Jan Steckman back in the UK and he's actually just confirmed that the headstock of the bike... Yeah, the headstock of the bike is broken away on the frame. Yeah, yeah, the engine's dug in and it's just sent him over the handlebars. Really awkward looking crash. Sure, no wonder he feels a bit uncomfortable. Yeah. Desper for Madsen, Janowski. Don't think there was any movement before him. Yeah. Or maybe from Jason Doyle, you know, it could be used as an excuse. Oh, Doyle definitely moves. Yeah, yeah. There. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, Magic's got a good case to make there. No exclusion light on yet, but I just fancy the fact that it could well be curtains there for start line girls now getting out of the way. Green line is on, away they go. Martin Vasilek, what a start from him. He fires himself to the front. Tideworth in the now slots into second place. But Martin Vasilek down there back straight on the opening lap. Absolutely will perfect away from the start. It was a textbook start there from the selection. Jason Doyle back in third. But Martin Vasilek, look at him go out in front. A stunning opening lap there from him. It's been a terrific night of speedway right through all the evening for him. He's out in front. He's got this final really wrapped up. Just needs to keep it going. One last turn for Martin Vasilek. As he comes out at turn number four, the crowd are on their feet. Martin Vasilek wins in fine style here in the marketer tonight. What a performance from him. He'll be absolutely overjoyed with that 20 massive world championship points for him. Good result for Tideworth and then back in second place and Doyle in third.


I could never give up pizza. It's something I hear all the time from first-time patients. And I get it, pizza really is one of America's favorite foods. But take a closer look at a standard slice of delivery pizza, a flour crust, highly processed dairy that's barely cheese, tomato sauce, it's an actual gut bomb. In the plant paradox, I show where pizza is one of the leading causes of obesity in the United States. So from my new book, The Plant Paradox, I came up with a pizza recipe that's as healthy as it is delicious. And I want to share it with you today. I call it my grilled portobello pesto mini pizzas. Now you can make your own pesto, as I show you in the book, or you can do what I'm going to do today. And use a high quality pre-made pesto sauce. Costco and Trader Joe's both make really good ones. So to make your pizzas, set one burner of a gas grill to high, or place a grill pan on the stove with a burner set to medium-high heat. Now what you're going to do is you're going to rub the caps of two portobello mushrooms. I've taken the gills out, but you can leave the gills in. And you're going to pour a bit of oil on them, both on the inside and the outside of the caps. And it's okay to use your fingers. It's all right. And just rub that around. And then you're going to put capside down on your grill pan or on your grill. And you're going to cook that for about five minutes. That's just to brown this and actually to cook the mushroom. Once they begin to brown slightly, we're going to flip them over and we're going to do it the same way on the other side. And this will usually take about five minutes on each side. Usually, even on high heat, five minutes is not enough to burn your mushrooms. But you're going to have them nicely browned on both sides. So now we've done our five minutes on both sides. And we're going to take them out of the pan, but leave the burner on because they're going to go back in just a minute. Now I like to take about three tablespoons of pesto sauce. And pesto is one of the best foods on the planet. It's made out of olive oil, parmesan cheese, and basil. And I can tell you that Costco's Kirkland brand has basil from Loguria, Italy, where I travel extensively to look at their food and how they prepare. So now we've got the pesto on the pizza. And then for you non-vegans or vegetarians, I like to add some Italian prosciutto to this. Just some thin slices. In the book, I've got vegetarian and vegan options for both of these. In fact, every recipe in the plant paradox is vegan and vegetarian friendly with options. So then we put the prosciutto and now get yourself some buffalo mozzarella. That's not just the plain old white mozzarella that you see in all the stores. It should come from a water buffalo. And I like to cut it into about four slices per pizza. You can put less or you can put more. Again, I've got vegan options for this part in the book. Okay, now that's going to go back on the grill.  And now we're going to bake it for about five more minutes until the cheese is melted. Now you can season it with salt and pepper at this point, or you can season with salt and pepper after you take it out. Once it's done, we're going to take it off and I'm going to show you what it looks like in the finished product. Okay, so this is it coming off of the grill or out of your grill pan. You can eat this with a knife and fork, which is what I do. And believe it or not, an Italian actually uses a knife and fork to eat their pizza. You can pick them up, but I got to tell you they're really juicy and messy with cheese and the sauce from the pesto. There you have it, a mini Portobello grilled mushroom pizza. Serve it with a side salad of arugula. You're going to get your pizza fix, but it's actually going to improve your health. Your gut bugs love this. Give them what they like to eat. They'll take care of you. That's the whole principle of the plant paradox. Enjoy. Bon appetit. This is Dr. Stephen Gundry. I'm always looking out for you, but right now I'm looking out for my bug.


Hi everyone, Sean with jaspyscasebrakes.com Doing 2020 tops museum baseball six box half case break pick your teams number five Pick your team five and six are going to both be from a fresh case. So we've got a Fresh case right here for us That we're going to pop open and figure out which six boxes we're going to do for this And then which six boxes we're going to do for pick your team number six Here's the list of all the customers Chris Maxwell with last spot mojo in the Miami Marlins Ray I have to go through orders after this to figure out which break is up next as far as I know six is sold out And there might be something else as well. So we're going to open up this and Figure out Which six boxes we're doing now and which six boxes we're going to do for pick your team number six Stack on the left try to tumble over and stack on the right We're going to roll a physical dice here to figure out which stack of six We're going to do for this break and which ones we will do coming up soon for break your team number six Here's the dice One two three is going to be left four five six is going to be for the box on the right And we got a one so we're going to do boxes on the left Boxes on the right here going to be for pick your team number six, which is coming up later on tonight So I'm going to write on here just so everybody can see See all of those mark pick a team number six Like so that's coming up later on So those won't go far In the meantime Let's get going on pick a team number five Good luck everyone Anybody hasn't watched if this is your first time checking out museum collection. It isn't really nice stuff So in each one of these there is four mini boxes, I believe This is my first time opening this today release day. So So it's four hits per master box. I believe One on-card On-card autograph autograph relic quad relic or relic. Uh, yeah, Mike We update the site every day multiple times a day actually So keep an lookout jaspyscasebreaks.com For all the new breaks From what I've seen I think There are The hit and the another base card behind that Or a numbered parallel Okay First up labor to 150 Uh, new york yankees that is alan a g Clemens beaver and bets clemente The parallel Babe ruth strawsburg and kyle lewis nice rookie there He's been doing good against the angels tonight Tony gwin Hoskins matt suey and clemente That tony gwin going to san diego padres and eric jock Kyle lewis seattle mariners going to eugene wong and the remurdo clemente parallel of the base Going to the pittsburgh pirates and chris miller willy maize parallel san francisco giants and chris walker chris bryant garret coal And canvas collection also willy maize san francisco giants again chris walker first hit is quad relic To 75 david price for the los angeles dodgers and alan a g Next up keston hero with a really nice patch auto to 25 for the milwaukee brewers and joseph pug Three-color patch auto nice stripe there auto for max kepler to 299 for the minnesota twins minnesota twins going to wil christian last up Relic for alex bregman and houston astros number to 50 houston astros is eric jock It was numbered one of 299 for the max kepler Against the seattle did they have a new tonight remember that Hard to forget the ability to come back again. You have the top of the order of the day to start it off last season Until the team gives it a 552. We are right. This will be his ninth career game against the angels no record with 2.84 seven strikeouts and two walks 94 It was Really use the angels to have a ninth inning rally right now down three no outs bottom of the ninth Please That's rough right Lead off strikeouts not going to help Yeah, callie's we'll see I got to go through the orders. There was one other thing that sold out, but Uh, at least one other thing that sold out and I know that was also A museum collection, but it was like a one Uh mini box break for a filler So we'll have to see I agree right I agree Mike trout Single maybe turning up double d gordon Drops the ball. I'm not going to count the snare though. Trump had the double Mariners Kyle Lewis went three for five again Someone said that we were we were up six to two And then all of a sudden Or like six to four when joe turned it on after the Dodgers game and just got destroyed now down 10 seven Yeah, our both ends sucks Uh, he had like an oblique thing, but it was only for the first like serious Ken griffin jr. Parallel seattle mariners and eugene wong Nolan ryan ozzy albis and fernando platis jr Trey turner to 150 for the washington nationals and mark lupture Rizzo Bryce harper and mike trout And I make it sound pretty good Ozzie smith Based parallel for the st. Louis cardinals chris miller Yadier masahiro tanaka and kody bellinger andrew mccutcheon parallel for the fillies going to alan agey francisco lindore frank thomas and canvas collection Don mattingly New york yankees and alan first hit is an auto rookie auto jesus lizardo for the oakland athletics 219 of 299 oakland athletics is chad right congrats chad next up quad relic three colors nice there carlos santana for the cleveland indians and matt stubblefield oh there it is i don't know fly out trout advances the third but we're down three so even one's not going to help in this case Next up relic marcus simian for the oakland athletics a little bit of two color there for you numbered out of 50 Yeah, oakland chad right and last hit of box number two triple relic auto charlie blackman to 199 for the colorado rockies and ed erin's No, that's the thing is his swing so like it loses no energy It's insane camera seems to be fine now I think Joe Joe said he's like he's like honestly it might be like your knee might have hit the cam thing You'll notice someone you're just like, uh, why is the picture moving? Well, yeah, I was like, okay cool It happened twice in that one break Yeah, it's probably the wire but sometimes it just does first We use this so much We need to get past the six inning before we go to the bullpen from now on like It's not good enough to try to go four innings That's a another out game over angels lose There's always tomorrow well, hopefully At least for now there's always tomorrow for us Cheese burrito box Is Anybody gone back out to the casinos Ernie banks to 150 for the chicago cubs and eric banks Aristotis Aquino for the Cincinnati reds and dan tersky and your dawn alvarez face rookie for the houston astros And Ozzy albies parallel the braves going to pasquale Robinson cano with merafield and charlie blackman cody bellinger to 99 for the Dodgers going to allen perea sunny gray And paul goldschmidt And tauti's jr. Parallel Padres eric jock Rendon mark maguire and sketch Mike piazza The los angeles Dodgers going to allen aji First hit Josh bell relic to 50 for the pirates and chris miller As well, let's talk about second hit Quad relic shin su to 75 for the texas rangers and joseph puke Kyle hindricks dual patch and auto or dual jersey auto to 199 for the chicago cubs Eric ain't and last hit Auto for mike saroka and the atlanta braves to 299 285 of 299 atlanta braves going to pasquale Box number four Turk i mean it works out like that right When there's one bad or like, you know a couple of rough ones there's got to be one monster one At least that's the way I feel Buster posie joe mower dual As the water show you uh Not I mean no logo man right in these it would be like a bat barrel bat knob bat barrel auto that'd be like the equivalent So do they have the mlb logo In a sense Mike dual autos if they're on the same team go to obviously that that teams Uh, whoever has that team if it's two different teams at the end of the break We set the card aside and we do a randomizer specifically for the that card with the two teams involved And whoever wins the randomizer gets the card The other option is we cut the card in half and then it's not valuable to anybody So we figured out that it's better that way Yeah, I just added one more thing to that too this cattle team they're a young team but boy they take some good of bats Some good passes. They hit some very good pictures as well. We had a couple innings that were relaxing guys, but Still there were some good pictures thrown Well, we got a gold frame they have to give the other teams credit and the americas they certainly that is heavy They got the victory angels two and four in these six games This bullpen has been used quite a bit and tonight mires and the barns didn't get the job done Turk called it Right Gold is good, right? Okay But When I heard when I heard uh, uh jason say that the frames were heavy earlier I was like, okay heavier than a normal card like, you know pack the cards. It actually is pretty heavy. It's pretty nice It's a substantial card So we'll save the uh, we'll save the frame for last For obvious reasons anthony arizo parallel going to the cubs and eric chipper jones george brett and won soto Bryce harper parallel going to the nat uh, sorry the fillies not national fillies and alan sandy cofax and olinero natto and jd martinez shohio tani to 150 for the angels and pasquale javi baez mani machado and don mattingly mic trout parallel also for the angels pasquale our pools Gavin luxe nice rookie there Let's go left Let's hope so right that'd be fun, right dual relic for the colorado rockies nolyn erinado and trevor story to 50 colorado rockies and ed erin's Two very awesome players there. I like a lot Quad relic for the los angeles dodgers codie bellinger to 99 Dodgers is alan agey frame at last triple patch auto andrew mccutcheon to 99 for the philadelphia fillies philies alan agey with the uh old school baby blue jersey there Very nice and the frame gold frame ooh gold ink auto sandy cofax los angeles dodgers and alan agey That is numbered seven of ten That card is amazing. Yeah, right That's very pretty Congrats alan Ugh the gold the gold Wow That's why it's a museum collection will museum quality cards. Let's get more of those guys How much would a product cost if it was just gold framed autos like that? Well, well, I'm glad that you uh, you saved it for the the right moment with me Oh, yeah the 30,000 the the trans sorry transcend it You guys are right. I'm wrong Well, at least we know what the price of that price point of that would be That one also has some other stuff, you know what I mean That one has like the oversized cut either patches and auto or one-of-one cut autos or There's all there's all different types of stuff that go into that like if you did a case just like this Where like there was four gold frame autos per box. I think you'd still probably be what? Two grand less than two grand Probably like 1500 bucks I'll see you good night guys. Uh, I'll see you you guys will be Okay, cool People buy some click. Yeah. Yeah, thanks man Yeah So i'm trying to think like the Transcendence got 50 autos in it plus all the other stuff I mean if you're a Dodgers fan ray, could you could you imagine trying to sell that card though? But as far as Andrew he me and the bullpen of the struggles here's alex curry, which you're mad Yeah My uh my willy mays my sandy cofax Might surprise you Eastern stick You know, this doesn't sound as good as willy mays sandy cofax Jacob had a tough night a lot of the bullpen had a tough night and that's That's what we have to get Ironed out. They'll be backed out there very shortly Again, I have a lot of confidence and We have who we want it, but it just did not work out There's 64 pitches for Andrew The uh Trey Turner Washington Nationals Avi Baez mani machado and Gavin Lux For Los Angeles Dodgers also going to Allen It did look fat really fat Korea, Houston Astros Eric jock Mattingly cofax and Nolan aeronado Thanks, Eric Josh Bell to 150 for the Pittsburgh Pirates and Chris Miller Another Gavin Lux base rookie Los Angeles Dodgers are doing well Allen agey Bryce Harper to 99 for the Philadelphia Phillies and Allen That's what I'm saying, right And to 25 Chris Bryant for the Chicago Cubs Very nice. Congrats Eric Brad that was awesome. Yeah, Chris Bryant usd Yeah, I really like Joe Kelly's instagram today. That was very funny Quad relic to 99 Albert pool holes for the Los Angeles Angels and Pasquale Jack fit the Flaherty triple relic and auto to 199 for the st. Louis Cardinals And Chris Miller and last but not least this thicky Very nice logo man Matthew Boyd one of one for the Detroit Tigers Barry Roberts, so we did get a logo man Oh Yeah, yeah, I mean Cover up that cover up that It's a one-of-one logo man Congrats Barry I want to be honest Ray uh or Tyler or who has said that will I didn't know I don't know who he is. I have never I don't think I've ever heard the name so I was a But I mean it's a one-to-one logo man. It's the best kind of card you could hope for box guys. Good luck Oh So he's young because on that card he does not look like a young man at all I don't know if time has just not been his friend But like it doesn't really look like a young man, you know what I mean 29 That's what I'm saying. He looks like a grizzled grizzled man Detroit come as a come in as a fresh young man I'm I've seen Miguel Cabrera's contract and and the rest of the players that are on the team Good luck everybody last last box So What the thing is we're not I mean They're not paying for Miguel Cabrera for what he is today. You know what I mean They're paying for Miguel Cabrera and what he's done for them. Nice Luis Robert rookie Chicago White Sox Nancy See as I'm saying they're not paying for what Miguel Cabrera is doing today. They're paying for everything he did before It's like the it's like the the the rates we pay for like plumbers and electricians You're not paying them for the 20 minutes of repair that they did at your house You're paying them for the years and years and years of experience and schooling and stuff like that that they've put into it We can help Kind of need to do what to build a healthy franchise brad Last comment I see from you is the one that says A few years in Detroit will age a person Maybe your chat didn't come through on my end or what? Oh, yeah, last box guys. Good luck everyone Trevor story parallel for the colorado Rockies and at Aaron Matt Chapman Aaron judge and Walker Bueller Carlos Correa the 150 for the Houston Astros Houston Astros going to Eric jock Flaherty and an enchero canvas That's pretty cool Unfortunately, not the 101s, but uh Seattle Mariners and Eugene Wong JT Real Muto for the Phillies Alan Agee Jose Ramirez Raphael Devers and Freddie Freeman Javi Baez for the Cubs Eric Ainge Mike Schmidt Barry Larkin and Brendan McKay rookie there from Tampa Bay Rays Going to Matt Bodner You gotta know that Four color patch Felix Hernandez For the Seattle Mariners very nice patch there one of 10 Seattle Mariners Eugene Wong Oh another great hit for the Dodgers Gavin Lux Otto to 2.99 Los Angeles Dodgers Alan Agee Congrats And Dual relic and Otto Lucas G. Leto to 1.99 for the Chicago White Sox and Nancy Ripple Last hit of the break. Good luck everyone Quad relic for the Washington Nationals Stephen Strasburg Wines Juan Soto Trey Turner and Max Scherzer numbered to 99 Washington Nationals Mark Liebscher Congrats And that'll wrap up our break Guys that was museum tops museum baseball Six box half case break pick your team number five. I'm Sean with jaspercasebreaks.com Pick your team number six coming up in the break uh in tonight So check out the site. We'll have seven and eight Already on the site and future ones coming up. We'll see you next time