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We just had the MPD for September release And switch top the sales charts in September that is the third month in a row that switch was number one in the US And switch has been number one in the US five of its first seven months on the market the other two months It wasn't were PlayStation 4 It is now sold over 2 million units just in the United States We also know yeah, or it's at I think 2 million in Japan as well. I remember right Because they did they have weekly sales updates there, so And I even note that here that it's actually been at the top of the weekly sales chart in Japan Surprisingly every single week except for two and those are weeks that some some big games came out for I think one of them was for the 3ds and Might have been Monster Hunter and the other one was for PlayStation 4. There was a game that came out they bumped it up for a week and With all that success, I think it's a given that it's obviously going to continue to have success At least for the next two months because you just look at the the release is coming up You have Super Mario Odyssey on the 27th doom and hey Snipperclips, well we got the Snipperclips plus coming out as well same day as doom La noir coming out three days after that on November 14th skyrim on November 17th And what's interesting is that doom and skyrim those are only coming to switch during that time period La noirs a multi-platform release actually it's coming out on the Xbox one and PlayStation 4 that day Zero by Chronicles then hits like literally right after Ready for black Friday's done. It's like oh by Friday done or not. Yeah, yeah black Friday done boom Here's the only Chronicles now, and I'll go out and spend some more money We'll see if that really states a good day or so and then Rocket League Some people have been testing it already some people in the media. So there's no official release date yet But it's still slated for 2017. I'm thinking they might be thinking sometime in December It's kind of like their last game to come up for Christmas or like a last major game to come up for Christmas on switch So that's obviously really really great The question is They're on it. They're on a torrent base Can they keep this going because this has been an incredible first year? I think next year is going to be They're biggest for the switch and then it will start to go down Okay, all right Well because we saw it with the Wii Came out what well came out of the end of 2006, right? Yeah, and then 2007 it was an upward You know trend and then 2008. I think was the was the peak. Yeah, and then it started to go down. So I think Late next year maybe holidays. It'll be it'll be huge again But after that it'll start.  It's not gonna be insanely popular But we'll start to see a dip if you will I don't think it's gonna crash But I think after next year there'll be a substantial dip after next year um Not not because the hype's dying down or anything But just because like it's it's now the now the console will be almost three years old at that point two years I Think it'll be interesting it'll depend to me if I hope Nintendo has learned something with the Nintendo 3ds and DS Because the DS had a hardware refresh in the DS side The 3ds had a hardware refresh in the new Nintendo 3ds So if in 2019 they hit us with a hardware refresh of switch that has a tiger x2 and is like, you know The new Nintendo switch or whatever they call it. I think that'd be the perfect time to do that. Yeah, absolutely 2019 I mean if they don't release it in 2019 they need to announce it in 2019 Right, but if they do that, I think it could actually have a longer lifespan Because I think they've realized with the DS and 3ds that really helped extend the lifetime of those systems Because sales all sales of 3ds are coming on now. Let's release the new 3ds XL And then also sales boom to game because here's a more powerful system or me versus a little better on it Everything's a little snappier got a little bit more power games run a little bit better on it Heck we ported, you know, they chronicles or we do it So that to me there's it's really a combination of things. I think if it can maintain success through 2019 And by the way as Bob said like success, you know, what does that mean?  Yeah, it'll still be like 50 million 60 million.  I think that it's going to like have best Best selling console potential like top five best selling console all time I think yeah, I'm only has potential to do that. I'm hopeful that Instead of this being there we Because the we was insane and I agree on sales numbers I think switch is gonna end up being especially since Nintendo views it as a home console It's gonna end up being their best or second best-selling home console. They've ever released Right, obviously it's a hybrid so you can start looking at, you know, the handheld side of things But even then it could become the second best potentially behind the DS Then that's assuming it's over a hundred million units, of course, which we can't make that assumption It's going to happen. But until sales momentum says otherwise You know, I mean it's already gonna probably beat the lifetime sales of the Wii U in the first year Right, that's just crazy Not as crazy as the Wii peak per se. We're moved like 20 million units in 2008, but I think that See the problem I have with the Wii era is that it had this really really high peak and then it kind of slowly Dwindled like halfway through 2009 and then it just like bottomed out. That was it everything sold in that first two and a half three Well, I think it's because people were having a hard time coming up with New concepts for the gimmick that it had I mean motion controls are great for so much and then yeah How how much me how many more things can we do with the motion controls at this point and they completely oversaturated it? Oh, it was oversaturated But I think we might get a lot of that saturation with the switch because of the mobile games that are getting ported over See here's where I kind of hope that the switch is Learns from the Wii era and I think it already has but if that's a hybrid system But I think one thing that hurt the switch or hurt the switch The Wii was that when it started coming down if you actually look if you actually correlate Nintendo's home game releases They stopped releasing games on the system Right, they were all their heavy hitters in the first three years And then there was like nothing until Skyward Sword and Xenoblade came out Yeah, and by then people were already moved on to 360s or moved on to their phones because you know smart devices came out At that point Nintendo kind of lost their momentum and tried to get it back But by the time they got it back we were already talking about Wii U So I think that or at least talking about what was next I don't know if we knew Wii U was a thing at the time but what Well, I'm hoping happens with switch and switch has a unique advantage because it's a hybrid system Nintendo's always had their games released on two platforms With if they can focus all of their development energy on a single platform, I think they can avoid that whole oh we Busted our gut in three years and have nothing left Until the next cycle I think that is one way they can avoid maybe not that not that they won't peak next year and decline But they can avoid the steep decline Thank you until a console refresh comes console refreshers always like Bring things back up because even people who own switches will be like Oh, I can get a faster switch for the bigger screen a 1080p screen instead of 720p Yeah, or a 4k or whatever. It's not going 4k eventually Okay, the reason I say it's not going to go 4k and maybe it'll do 4k Netflix or something The xbox 1x can't even do native 4k Yeah, right So like they're not going to make a portable version that does native 4k a few years from now And they're saying they're saying that the dock will be able to Yeah, that's because of that that patent that supplemental computing device patent. Yeah, I don't know if I buy that I mean, well, I can I could tell you that that kind of stuff does kind of work because um If you look at well, if you look at things like the raspberry pi you can stack those and they get more and more powerful. Yeah So, I mean it's it's possible To do that. I mean, am I going to say that nintendo is definitely going to do that? I have no idea Well, so like the ps4 pro that's that's upscaling to to 4k PlayStation 4 games that came out at launch a lot of them were still 720 upscaled to 1080 The argument for for the 4k dock thing basically exists because You have The the patent out there of course that showed a supplementing computing device plugged in The added power to the switch uses usb-c Which we already know with laptops you can hook up external gpu's to it And boost your gaming now. That's just gpu's it doesn't include the cpu's So like if they were doing something like that they'd have to already have enough cpu power in the first place With the cpu is actually one of the weakest components of switch But maybe that's fixed with the taker x2 or whatever they could stuff in that thing I don't have a console refresh maybe we'll work on taker x3 by the time they do it. I have no idea I think at most you're getting an upscaler in the dock at very most And and you're never getting made at 4k out of this thing. Yeah, I'm not expecting that Yeah, I don't expect the only thing I expect is if there's an if there's any sort of 4k anything It's just gonna be media You could already do 4k off of little thumb sticks But to the tv never never portable. Yeah, no, yeah not portable But well the thing is when you're portable you're stuck to whatever versus the screen is anyways, and then they're not put Maybe maybe in a refresh we'll get a tiny piece screen. Yeah, that's what I figured I figured for refresh It'll they call it the xl. They just get rid of the bezel So they just literally it's the same size as the switch today But because they get rid of the bezel they add like a full inch to the screen And they make the screen 1080p They put a little bit bigger battery in there to support the the 1080p in the bigger screen And then you have the tiger x2, which is actually more power efficient than the tiger x1 So maybe they won't even need a bigger battery. I don't know They'd have to test that on their end and boom. There you go. You have you have better hardware better screen You know, maybe instead of the plastic on the screen because right now it's a plastic cover on it Maybe they'll go with a gorilla glass or something Um, and just overall it's just a better system, but you still play out both systems still play all the same games Right, just you know, it'll be like the it'll be like when you play like hyrule warriors on the original 3ds Hopefully it's not this bad because hyrule warriors in the original 3ds. You should not play it runs at like five fps But when you play it when you play it on On the new 3ds, it's 30 fps like a lot. It actually runs better The framerate of hyrule warriors on new nintendo 3ds is more consistent than the framerate of hyrule warriors on wii It's crazy. I don't know why that's the case, but that's just what happened with the game Um, so I think you can see things like that uh But if they do that then obviously the the switches, you know current success Um could be maintained because this isn't a peak yet Right. I don't think any of us think this is this is as high as it's going to get Oh, absolutely. No, definitely not and I think a huge part of this Uh in comparison to like the wii and even someone in nintendo's past systems is third party support Uh, yes, right now obviously the games are seen like la noir skyrim doom, you know older games But you know the wolf sign to the new colossus. Yes, technically by the time it comes out It'll be like a six month older game or something But uh, I think that's just because the decision to port it just came too late Yeah, um, and they wanted to prove it with doom first and they did that now So they'll they'll bring over that game. Uh, but 2018 I think you know, if we're going to see a call of duty It's next year's call of duty Right if we're going to see madden it's next year's madden if we're going to see absolutely Uh, you know, heck maybe mba 2k 18 ended up selling enough. So they bring mba 2k 19 over these big triple a publishers They they Didn't want to waste their money on a dud if it was going to be a But now yeah, and you can't I think it dumps the money into it because now they're seeing the potential Yeah, and in the case you can't blame them Um, right, you know, absolutely. No, nintendo has even when they had that big success with the week Traditional triple a publishers Did not see big success They made games specifically for that audience like a just dance But then for every just dance there's companies that try to make games for the audience Like the you draw and it sank the entire company Right. Um, so It's like That's why that's what's nintendo really started getting the reputation only nintendo games sell to nintendo fans And it's like well, yeah But i mean ubisoft was able to pull it off because they found a formula that worked in this very very similar way that We sports did um, which was very smart I i'm surprised that nintendo didn't actually come up with something like that first But good on good on you know ubisoft for that and you think about just it's still around today So it's obviously still selling it up to justify uh to keep making it keep bringing it to every e3 and make people on the show floor dance I don't they still do that every three people keep doing it people like acting like fools and getting on those youtube videos Yeah um But I just think it's very interesting when you look at that That trajectory I think another big aspect because obviously I mentioned it before all of nintendo's games on one platform Uh nintendo continually supporting that Uh, I don't know if nintendo is going to have a ton of games next year I know we know of like a handful of them and obviously there's going to be a bunch of games Who don't know about I mean you think about games like an animal crossing. How is that going to do on switch? That's going to be insane. So you look what it did on 3ds.  I'm like we're getting that on the phone You know huge that's gonna be yeah. Oh the phone. That's a perfect place for it. It is it really is My wife when we got a wee you one of the big reasons that I was able to talk her getting into getting getting a wee you Uh was because she wanted animal crossing and then we found out that the animal crossing was the mebo festival Yeah Yeah, um, if you don't mind though, I'd like to give my thoughts on on on my For you know I think the big thing that nintendo has to do here Um is nintendo has a big history at least with these last few consoles of shooting themselves in the foot Um, and they seem to do that when they're on the upswing And that really like man how you it's like you're you're in the final leg of the race towards the finish line And then you shoot yourself in the foot. How do you do that every time that really really irks me about nintendo And they really need to stop doing that I mean, they're only going to get so far in nostalgia. I mean Let's be honest a lot of us. I mean Releasing breath of the wild with the switch was genius pure genius and the reason is because a lot of the people who are waiting For this for for a zelda for as long, you know, as long as we were We're chomping at the bit to get a new zelda game So releasing that with the switch at launch was pure genius. Tomo, please don't do that um And uh, i'm sorry my cat's up here being i know they kind of figured that Yeah um, I have a cat and a dog and they both like to bug me when i'm not paying attention to them, but um, yeah, yeah, but um They like I said and it's like you it's like you brought up with the we the we was doing really well And then it peaked and then they just shot themselves in the foot and didn't release anything else and they just let it die and then When they were going to do an upswing I mean if they would have marketed the we you as Like even if they would have marketed if they would have marketed the we you as its own console Or even as like an upgraded version of the we Then it would have done well, but nobody knew what the heck the we you was And for you. Yeah, right exactly So it's like they shot themselves in the foot on that aspect as well because the we you could have definitely been marketed as like the hardware refresh and And it probably you know and they're like hey look we're offering you more ways to play You guys could probably see my cat's tail in the in the video, but um But um, you know they could have marketed it as a hardware refresh and like hey We have more ways to play now, you know as well as better hardware. Don't do that um I'm sorry But that's the problem with the we was that they they didn't explain enough that it was different than the we A lot of it was this thing. It was just like an add-on to the we And that's that's the thing is if they would have said hey look there's more ways to play There's more ways to do things And then the other thing was a lot of people when they saw it. I know when I saw it I was like wow It's actually a portable console because of the way that they marketed the freaking pad And that was that was such a letdown for people, you know what I mean It honestly shouldn't have existed. It should have just been the switch Or I always argued I actually made a video on this one What if the we you wasn't the we you and instead was the we hd and released in 20 Because Draft the game pad just take the we like take the we you hardware itself the hd nature of it Backwards compatible of we games release hd texture packs and just offer Just pack in like the pro controller and let all your old we we accessories work with it That would have been way too forward-thinking for nintendo. That was that but see that's what makes switch so crazy Yeah, because switch is forward thinking. Yes. It is. Yes Well, I would I would argue that it's it should have been done five years ago I mean you can argue that but I mean the technology only came into existence three years ago For the funny. It's just a tablet with some controllers slapped on it It's a little more than that because the gpu itself is custom tailored for gaming It was created for the purpose of now. Yeah. Yes, but you know three years ago You would have had just a crappier gpu in there. Well, yeah three years ago You're not getting breath of the wild on this thing. Yeah, that's nintendo though. They don't go with with the best graphics Oh, no, I know I know But I think one of the major selling points of the switch and I think this is what makes me feel So far we're thinking about it regardless of you can make all the arguments about how much weaker it is than the xbox one And blah blah blah blah all the power debates. I think that's I think that's irrelevant But when you grab the system And you play it and you play these games it feels like you're playing playing a console quality game on the go And I think it's a huge selling point. So like if you're using like Just straight up old school mobile tech In eras when the PlayStation 4 and xbox one exist, it ain't gonna feel like you're you're playing. It's just I feel like you're playing um hd version of 3ds stuff Right. Um, and so I think that that's why it actually made sense now arguably they should have 2016 would have been a better year in my opinion to release it But it is what it is. They had their reasons to wait till early 2017, but It's I mean, it's still doing.  I mean, where's the mistake? Yeah Yeah, nintendo has the bank role to make mistakes and and and they They they're innovative. They're the only ones who are in their own space Like they can they can afford to make mistakes. I think nintendo like I don't know I think they get something out of Going near ruin and then bringing themselves back like I don't know They're very creative at least I mean, I mean, I don't know. Maybe maybe, you know, maybe they enjoy that or something. I mean What is masochistic? I think Well, you know the funny thing about that is is that my my grandfather always had this saying it was it was a joke And he's saying, you know, there's little kids at the back of the room banging his head against the wall And the teacher says johnny why are you doing that? And he goes well because it feels so good when I stop I I feel like that's nintendo sometimes Yeah, it's I think that it's just the side effect of making innovative products that nobody else is making Everybody else is everybody else is playing it safe. And that's my they're not afraid to make mistakes That's my huge thing with the with with the with the switch I'm afraid that the okay. So this the switch is in is a novelty product Um, it's not going to compete Graphically, it's not going to compete Um, you know in in any in any other way With the big consoles other than the fact that it's portable and and that's that's the the switch is gimmick so to speak And nintendo I say to took it nintendo to continue this progress They need to either find a way to make that work um Moving forward and finding new and creative ways I mean like let's think let's think about let's think of it this way. Um, pokemon go was was You know, it's the same thing pokemon go came out and um, I mean it was the most downloaded mobile game ever for a time And then it died out really quick, you know what I mean? It did very very well and then died out really quick and I think the switch can do that If nintendo can't find a way To sustain the switch's success um Once the novelty of you can take things on the go wears off Yeah, I think nintendo with the switch And this is the the thing we have to worry about because we we watch them squander the we We watch them. I mean even with the 3ds Technically right now the 3ds is still nintendo's worst selling handheld ever released Which is crazy considering the numbers it's done But that just shows you how popular like everyone says oh, you're just comparing to the ds I'm like no i'm comparing it to every handheld they've released. It's the worst selling um So you could argue nintendo even dropped them all there nintendo has this thing where they I see At least with the wea ds they they got into this mindset where they were relying on the branding They felt the brand was bigger than the product So and slap we on the we you it's going to sell it so slap ds on a 3ds That you know, even with a similar looking product It's going to sell it instead of them focusing on What does the market want and it even if like they're clearly was still a market for for 3ds like systems You know for ds like systems, but they kind of lost sight of What how do you name it? How do you uh market it? What do you do with it that makes it feel distinctive because for a lot of people especially with the og 3ds when it came out It just looked like another dsi It it didn't look like oh, oh, so you added a 3d functionality that looks cool But most people don't care about it. Okay. What what can this do my dsi can't um, and yeah, it was more powerful or whatever But uh what we need to see with switch and this is going to be for especially for it's, you know We talked about a lot hardware refresh I think what we need to see with nintendo is them dedicate themselves to this direction instead of Getting four years out from now and all of a sudden nintendo because they're risk takers. They do Crazy things. We just talked about it then decided we're going to completely shift all our directions into this other product That's 100 different from this um You need to create some I suck at saying this word Continuity or whatever kind of newly kind of newly there you go. Say I suck at saying that word um Because if you notice what has kept the play station brand so strong over the years Is you know the next playstation is playstation 5? Yeah, okay, you know what you're getting you know that sony is dedicated to the direction that they've been taking their consoles in So if you own a playstation 4 and you're happy with the playstation 4 You know you're going to be happy with the playstation 5 because sony has shown you consistency At least in terms of their direction of their systems now Obviously, you know, they went crazy with the cell processor and overpricing the playstation 3 and got cocky But they bounced back right they lowered the price to eight losses and they showed dedication to consumers Okay, we're not going to do that again playstation 4. We're going x86.  Where are you going with this? You could have an xbox 5 40 xbox 720. I mean, yeah, where are you going with this also? Maybe not make it $500. Maybe yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying. Oh, we need it You have to have connected to the system won't work You know, you know, it's funny is um, I I've seen a thing that uh, that the sony had had wrote on that um that microsoft had gone for full circle with the xbox one And it was it was funny because it it worked on so many different You know that that played on so many different things that was going on at the time Like it was the successor from the 360 and it was you know, the fact that they had Gone completely backwards, you know, the 360 was all about games and then the xbox ones like oh, it's You know everything and it and it they really did they went full circle on everything And it it kind of just that that almost killed the xbox one I mean, it was so they were so close To just bombing that entire generation I know it's what I Nintendo needs to learn from everyone's mistakes really because it was it was like xbox made mistake. Nintendo has made several times in the past They they need to dedicate to a direction that they're in now And show that dedication obviously with the hardware refresh and then when they even announced like a new thing I don't care if you call it switch to I don't care if you call it the super switch Um, just something that clearly says this is a brand new system. It's everything you know and love About our product that's out in the market right now And by the way, it does all this other awesome stuff Um The to enhance gaming that you didn't think about The other thing I still risk take and keep the primary thing together instead of being like Yeah, this is the same product, you know in love and we're just going to toss a three on on the name of it I think it just needs to be very clear that it's a it's a sequel. Yes. Yes. Yes, that's yeah A sequel it needs to be very clear. It can't be like we your it's confusing. It can't be 3ds where it's confusing It has to be very clear that this is a direction we're dedicated to this is very clearly a new product That's in the same line of products. Your old games won't work on this thing Yeah, well is what they need to tell people I I think honestly they they need to maintain some backwards compatibility if they're going to do a switch to or something right, um And um, I mean I'm sorry. I I meant the new games won't work on your old garbage Oh, right. Yeah, I actually argued at one point It's been a long time as I talked about this that I think what Nintendo needs to do is switch is is almost Be the first video game company To take a single product and kind of make it like what full manufacturers do Where not necessarily yearly refreshes. That's that's that's too insane. Well, like every three years or so You have a hardware refresh Excuse you that that builds on top of that product Doesn't forget the old product But you know say I think I think what my when I was thinking about this you have you have your your mid-generation upgrade The first three years out, right? That's the switch XL or whatever three years after that and that that's fully backwards compatible All games work across platforms The next version comes out and the original switch is no longer compatible with the brand new games With the switch XL could still play them at a lower quality setting or whatever the case may be Yeah, and you just slowly phase out older hardware that way while maintaining some backwards compatibility over time And as always I mean I always felt like you know, you could argue that the latest system should be able to play all switch games for all time I think that's going to eventually change because I think I hate saying this but I feel like 30 years from now. There's not going to be like a physical medium anymore So those og switch cartridges are probably not going to be useful Unless you all own an older version of the switch I think that's the whole iterative console thing. That's what like people think sony and microsoft are going towards with these Pros and then the x and whatnot. Yeah Yeah, I I agree that the I actually I think this is a good direction for the whole of the gaming industry because it's very clear This is the direction tech has gone Um the tech industry in general has gone to this iterative stuff I don't know if I buy it because like For something like the playstation For in the xbox one They want to occupy a space that like um the premium gamers are going to want this because they want more power But the premium gamers are on pc If they want this power, they're going to be on pc anyway So why the hell would they buy this little in-between thing? That's just well Well, that's where switch has the advantage because compared to everything else it is portable And there's nothing like that on the market, but your mobile phone and your tablet But but what are you suggesting for a For like a switch to like like how would that be? Like why would I buy that if I already have a switch and I could play the same games on my switch? Well, the switch to Just like an example, obviously you have the switch then you have the switch xl Those are like same generation kind of you know like the iphone 7 iphone 7 s whatever that kind of stuff Or I guess they didn't do a 7s. They went straight to 8 Apple does weird things And there's an iphone 10 which I understand like the 10 number 10 year whatever I don't know what what apple is doing these days Uh, but okay, the better example five five s four four s six six. Those are all same generations With hardware, you know iterative hardware in there Um, I feel like that's kind of the direction of the switch where Where you have the switch to switch xl. That's one generation then you hit the switch two the switch two Um can do stuff that the original switch can't do anymore I don't know if it ends up being at that point 4k gaming on the go I don't even know that's going to be a possibility someday. I don't know when Um, but you know, even if you're not looking at because even if it's 4k gaming on the go It's certainly not going to be whatever xbox 2 is 4k gaming is or what playstation 5's 4k games You know, it's not going to be equal to that But it doesn't need to be what it needs to be is it as a dedicated gaming device It needs to basically be the best dedicated gaming device on the market every three years Mm-hmm for handheld gaming Yeah, that's what I kind of feel and if they're doing that the old hardware is just gonna just like phones Is going to naturally kind of phase out where it's all you can always play it.  Why would they stop you? and that's another thing though is that Nintendo has a bad habit of like I know that you can transfer your account from the Wii U over to the switch But they really Kind of but you really should you you know, you really should there well, there was no reason that they couldn't have Seamlessly brought that over especially with the fact that they're shutting down the we use Online stuff anyway, you know, they should have been able to kind of help you bring that over a little bit more seamlessly and yeah They're all my structure need a lot of work though. The Wii U I felt like it was a remnant of the past. It was before the the Nintendo account system they use now is new Um, right. So it was a nightmare getting my 3ds account onto my Wii U that was a absolute.  It's the Nintendo account that your Wii U account is connected to Yeah And I feel like that's just because they finally realized I don't know why it took them this long But they're japan and for some reason they just didn't pay as much attention as sony did That these universal online account things need to be a thing because that's what the Nintendo account is I saw somebody do an account transfer because you can now transfer accounts On your switches. So you want to transfer like I get a brand new switch and I want to move my account over I can do it and it's really easy.  That's intuitive and simple. Why Has it taken this long to be that simple? Yeah Because Nintendo never had a proper universal account system. That's really what it is Yeah, I think the big the big issue with Nintendo is the fact that they're like, well You know software sells the hardware And and I think that they honestly do stick to that but they stick to that so Laser focused that they don't see anything else It's like how can we add value in other places really doesn't come up in their minds very often It's I think that's why how can we get the most out of our our first party titles and then that's it Yeah, that's why I I don't know who Nintendo is right now with the switch Their marketing Was brilliant. Yeah, it showed games But it showed the appeal of the hardware itself, right? Yeah, the reason As awesome as Breath of the Wild is potentially with Super Mario 64 or whatever one of the best launch games ever to exist for a platform The reality is that A huge reason that is often overlooked on why the switch is blowing up It's because the switch itself regardless of games is attractive It's understandable simple to get all the commercials were very It feels a need like it feels a need it does yeah And and it what's nice is that this nintendo is one that one is nailing the marketing of the platform itself Then not not the games the platform Um on top of that they not only are nailing the marketing of what this platform is and making it attractive The audience they're going after is specifically gamers and adults That they literally at the press event in january Set it up like a casino to try to appeal to older people older gamers or lapsed gamers or people who just don't have the time like that's that's that's a niche right people who Don't have the time for the the modern console sit down and play for hours at a time game Yeah, I take my switch when I have to take my wife to the to the doctor or if I take my dad to the doctor Yeah, I'm able to go play Breath of the Wild or Um, you know, I I pretty much I have Breath of the Wild And I have like Binding of Isaac and stuff like that. Those are all games that are that are awesome to play On the go Um, and I think one of the big things they need to do if they do a hardware refresh is definitely figure out the battery Sure. Yeah I don't know what they can do about the battery I think If they get a faster process or like a better more energy efficient processor The Tegra x2 is more powerful and more energy efficient. So that like that's obviously an obvious upgrade. I think battery wise One issue nintendo is probably running into and maybe they're going to have to If they're going to stick with this mobile future this hybrid type future Um, they're going to have to eventually Maybe be one of the first companies in the industry To finally invest in creating better battery technology Um, we actually stick in with that lithium battery for so long Believe it or not. I was watching something recently that they were talking about Um, they found a way to take nuclear waste and turn it into a crystal That holds power Like for years And you can power things like your your phone or your tablet for years I think the big problem that they're having is probably Um, and like I said, this is this is mostly speculation just from something that I've heard from random sources but if this is true then um If nintendo was able to get on top of that technology for the switch and you had a switch that could last for Days or years at a time That would be huge Yeah, it's one of those they can do a lot more with that technology. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of video games Yeah, but I think just because we've been stuck with the same type of batteries for you know decades or more Someone needs to finally take their billions and be like look We have this amazing platform. We need to invest in trying to create some better battery tech Let's actually push it forward because that nuclear thing sounds crazy The the the reason it sounds crazy like not just because it's insane how much power you can get out of it Which really should I mean we're talking about nuclear here, right? Like right, of course It's obviously always going to be that the hard sell of telling someone. Hey in your hand.  So we're gonna you might get a little explosion You might have a little fire or not a big deal or in the case of like the the note seven just blow up your whole car um But Yeah, the battery tech I think like I'm I'm okay I'm satisfied with the battery level on switch just because I don't know what else they could do besides just putting a bigger one in Um, and those things you have to consider with that space heat weight well I mean for people like my car for some reason will not charge my switch if it's on if I turn my switch off It'll charge it. Um, and I think that's a problem with a lot of people's a lot of people's cars It takes way too much power While you're playing it. Yeah A lot of things like portable battery banks a lot of those things can't charge it while you're while it's on the switch, right? And I would be fine. I would be fine if it just maintained the battery level. Yeah Actually, I don't know if you saw my rap power video There's this rap one of the rap power power power banks I have if your switch is already at 100 and you plug it in Your switch will stay on for like 18 hours Dang, yeah, I think I have the one that you're talking about But it has to be actually like well, it can be like 90 it will charge it Um, like while you're playing like I was playing breath of the wild you will gain But you'll gain it so slow. You're not going to notice it and you won't get as much it basically just retains But it's slightly slightly with the slight charge slightly over maintained Um, but yeah, it's that that was the one thing I was like because they were like, oh, you can fast charge And I'm like, yeah, that ain't that ain't working But I can do this and that is insane because I know I'm going to go on the go Or I'm going to be say I'm on a plane and I'm going to head over to the uk or something And I'm on a plane for eight hours Well, my switch is going to last the whole time. No problem Right, but that's also, you know using a 26 000 milliamp hour battery bank Uh, they're not going to fit that in a switch. I mean the the battery make itself almost weighs more than the whole switch does Uh, yeah So it's kind of like that's kind of an extreme situation You know the other thing too that that might be that might be worth it And this is just spitballing but uh having a removable battery so you can like have one charged, you know Because that's something some people miss with cell phones is removable batteries Uh, I just don't know if that would be a mass consumer accepted thing Especially now that most phones are removed are going in a way from that too I mean, I know batteries I don't really see a reason why it wouldn't be accepted. Um Especially, you know, I mean personally I I have and I I talked a little bit about this Um in the nintendo prime discord, which you guys should definitely join by the way um And um, I I have an s7 edge and There's some things that I really hate about the s7 edge, you know, one of them is the battery life. Sure Oh my god, the battery on the s7 edge is horrid sure is and um I wish it had a removable battery. I mean I would buy like an aftermarket battery or I would you know buy a second battery or something like that. So I mean I I honestly think if just having that option would be is enough for most people I I just don't know Um, because obviously the ideal situation is it just doesn't have need a rule of battery in the first place It's all about user convenience, right? We're talking about a product that right now feels convenient Um, and battery is definitely something needs to be addressed in the future Uh, but they need to do it in a way that's still convenient to the user if you're telling the user Hey while you're on the go your system might die in the middle of a game But you can just take off the back and swap a battery and you might have lost your progress, but whatever Um, that I don't think they're going to view that as an acceptable solution Um, we'll view it as a potential solution like people don't mind swapping it on cameras, right? Because you just don't have a choice and video recording is obviously pretty intense Um, so but that's also different like the people who are going to swap batteries Uh using real cameras are also kind of like like you like like you're you're like a developer. I'm a youtuber Mom's a youtuber like we're I don't think we represent the common people when it comes to this stuff What we would do to maintain our electronics is I don't think what a majority of people who buy switch Majority people own cell phones the reason that they don't have swappable batteries anymore I think it's because people hated or always complained about oh my gosh I dropped my form the back popped off and I don't know what to do my sim card fell out Um, and and that is one of the things that they try to do with the switch is make it very durable thousand-foot drop, baby Yeah Although I mean like oh it survived a thousand foot drop mic. Well, yeah, because it ran it on the joy con Yeah, that's the thing the joy comes act as like a bumper. Yeah the joy con protected it But I mean if you just dropped the switch without the joy con, I don't know if it's going to survive that thousand foot drop Well, so so here's here's an interesting idea, uh for the whole little battery thing What if you had a tiny internal battery that lasted a few minutes? Don't tell I the hot spot What's up till to allow you to hot swap?  Yeah No, everything you're saying is awesome. I just don't think the general consumer base would ever take advantage of it I Mean even when we have removable batteries most people I know never have extra batteries Yeah, it was a very niche group of people that were like, yeah Even now like you hear people say oh I wish that oh if you would just move the back I would put it in you'd see like unboxed therapy say that like yeah, but you do not you're a tech enthusiast, right? Like you don't write that you are willing to sacrifice convenience for practicality, right? All right, we will sacrifice, you know, even if the switch has a slightly bigger form factor We will sacrifice that for practicality reasons. Well, you also have to think about From from this from from from this standpoint, too Um, the switch is a game console that is focused around. I mean when the switch came out it had Like accessories for it already, you know what I mean and and people are used to buying accessories for their consoles Yeah, and I mean your phone is a phone.  You make calls you check twitter You know what I mean? So you're not in a situation where if my phone dies, I don't care You know what I mean, and it's like I'll just charge my phone somewhere but if you're in the middle of a game And all of a sudden your switch dies You know what? I mean, I think it's a slightly different A slightly different approach when it comes to game consoles And and and that might be and and like I said, we're just kind of it's it's semantics here at this point But I think it's definitely a good conversation to have at least because You know then we could be I mean because people may end up weighing in on you know with their Thoughts and opinions who are that you know consumer, you know Convenience sort of people and what they think about it and eventually that might be something Nintendo sees and and you know And draws ideas from and that would be awesome, but I definitely think that The the console market versus like the mobile phone market Is slightly different even though Nintendo seems like they're trying to kind of push this the switch More towards being like a mobile phone so to speak That's definitely their their Their competition because it's it's that's where mobile gaming went for the 3ds And biggest competition was iPhone games and stuff. Yeah, absolutely And that's partially why I said like if they do this iterative switch thing The biggest thing and the biggest thing is that they have to keep that switch ahead of the phones for gaming purposes Yep, and it's easy to do that per se because obviously any tech they put that's going to be tailored for gaming Where you're getting where you're getting like a mobile phone, you know Snapdragon processor and all the stuff that like is tailored for phones not necessarily for gaming even though it can do gaming Um, so yeah, we'll see obviously It's a it's a whole different field Nintendo is in their own Kind of in their own area where where there isn't a lot of gaming specific like we built this device just for gaming Yeah, yeah, nintendo likes to Nintendo likes to kind of pave their own path. I mean This is how much you know that nintendo, uh, this is one thing people may even appreciate about nintendo Even as frustrating as it might be 2017 nintendo launches a video game tablet No multimedia capabilities No netflix no hulu No amazon until all these standard things that come on everything Even 3ds as netflix I I think the yeah the 3ds having netflix is weird It doesn't work very well I I I think right now because it's pre holidays the switch is for the earlier adopters and the people who um It's a supplementary console like sure like Almost everybody I know Actually everybody I know who has a switch has another console They're going to be playing their call of duties or or their shadow of war They're gonna be playing that stuff on the ps4. So they're gonna have their netflix there too. Yeah Yeah Once the kids start getting in the kids who only have this one console then yeah But something like that would make My point bringing that up is more so that Nintendo I think almost more than any of the other You know current game console creators Literally Purpose builds their systems for gaming before everything else Forget every other feature in the world. We are going to build you a portable Gaming machine that plays console type quality games and that's what it does Like the ps3 was a media machine. Yeah, well like we'll add other features to it. Yeah I mean it's clear that It's clear that nintendo when it comes to games knows what they're doing. I mean Take a look at super mario ron the the whole like The whole idea and I know that super mario ron didn't do like super super well But if you look at the mobile game Yeah, and I think it a lot of it was the price But from a gameplay perspective A lot of the things with the mobile games is like Being able to play the game one-handed and they pushed that so hard and that kind of when I saw that I was like wow They actually know gaming. It's not I mean Super mario ron was once their life. They might actually know game. I mean you think about all the unlimited runners out there, right? Um on phones and then nintendo does it with mario and you're like, oh, this is just going to be like one of those cheap like You know duck under something or jump over something and just keep going till you die And all of a sudden you just like no this looks like a new super mario ron's game And it plays a lot like one and they're doing it with one hand How the hell did they do that because nintendo is I mean as they continue to prove even when you don't think they can They know how to make games for it. They don't come to a platform And like the big thing with mobile was oh, it's the first non nintendo platform, right? So through this game on nintendo wasn't going to do that without knowing what they're doing And they don't always know the waters a little bit with like pokemon go Um with and who did they team up with that? I can't read it's niantic Um, I and I think that was kind of them testing the waters to see And and I mean pokemon go was another one of those games that you could play one, you know one handed I will say and Maybe I just know too much Pokemon go didn't really have anything to do with nintendo That was that was all game freak in the pokemon company nintendo nintendo just the the only thing they had to do with it is that um Once it became a thing that was going to happen, uh, satura awada personally um Really loved the idea. So he offered some feedback on it After after nintendo stocks skyrocketed After pokemon go they came out and said guys We actually had a almost nothing to do with that and then their stock plummeted. Yeah Yeah, the nintendo like literally wasn't their idea. It wasn't their initiative and pokemon had already been really releasing games The pokemon company had been releasing mobile phone games for like three years Um, so it really wasn't anything. I wasn't anything out of the normal for pokemon, uh in nintendo, uh Dedicating games like, you know, super mario ron fire emblem heroes, which has been a huge success revenue wise Um actually even game wise like I played a lot of it. It's it's pretty solid Um for the type of game it is there are other games like it on the phone, but it's fire emblem And for some reason it just works really really well. Um And you know pokemon go for what it is like even even though today It's not even close to as popular as it was during its peak pokemon go is still like in the top 10 most playing apps out there um Right, they've really hit on something in terms of Some of nintendo's ip's just work really well on mobile devices animal crossing is one of them Um, and i'm really excited to see what uh, whatever I know it's not going to be a full blown animal crossing game But whatever they do as long as it's not like amiibo festival if they do something that's even like, you know Be enabled to build out your home And if you can connect that with an animal crossing game on switch and just have all this cross compatibility Which nintendo has always said oh, we have these games to push our sales of games on on our platforms Okay, well animal crossing. I think it's a perfect way to do that Um, you could really have like you could play animal crossing on your switch and also a little bit of that same game on your phone Um with some what it's all in unique features. I don't know. I don't know what tells me to do that I just really want an animal crossing switch any excuse to bring up animal crossing and switch is something