I, um, I already did or you did. Okay. Yeah. So I just sent the link to Dodie. That was kind of trippy Yeah, yeah, I felt bad for him for a minute. Well, I mean, he I thought it would he would he had been saying Which was brief up until that point I mean he's it's not like he was trying to hog the show or the conversation and I think it was like I had a good question but anyway, there's Rick there so if Maybe if you have a question and then as other people come in The main thing is we want to be respectful if people start coming in here and want to start, you know Trolling then you I'm going to trust that you'll just kind of mute them because this is not about trolling We're trying to help. We're hoping rick would share things with us that we wouldn't normally be able to hear Is really the goal I mean rick, um, you can go I made him a co-host so he can go ahead and control as he wants All right, this is his first time being a co-host by the way Yes, definitely. Um, yeah, well, yeah, I'm I'm open to answer any question anyone has regarding Are my time? I don't have anything off the top of my head Well, yeah, let me send a tweet out get some of these people back here that one guy was a movie producer Actually that was asking you the question about the Dulce base and uh, probably an experience or I could And he there was some people in there probably that would have had some interesting Sure But I heard recently from um, what's his name? Uh, robert salis said oh, wait. No, it wasn't him Or was it anyways? Um, there was a guy that experienced a large um No, it wasn't robert salis. It was another guy forget who it was Um, but he said that uh rick dodie showed up with osi After this, uh, huge ufo event at their nuclear base And it wasn't robert salis. There's another guy. I forgot his name though. He did a couple interviews recently You know who i'm talking about. Can you mention? Go ahead rick. No, I don't I don't remember uh ever, uh At a nuclear base Uh, yeah, I think I think it was a nuclear base Was there ever a ufo report at a nuclear base rick that you had to go investigate during your time? um No I I I knew of him of them. I mean there were there were many incidents involving Well, no, no, I I guess uh, yeah, okay. I know what they're talking about. Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota the incident happened there Yeah, I was at uh, that was in uh, 1980. I was at, uh Kirtland and I went up there to Ellsworth. Yeah, okay. That that must be that was the only one I could think of So like what was it like like were you there like um the same day? Or was it were you there like a week after and we're like but these guys like shocked or what was like the scene like? Uh, no, I was there. Oh gosh, probably three or four days after the incident and it was a a sighting over Ellsworth Uh, one of the missile launch control facilities west of the base Uh, security air force security personnel saw an object fly over a missile site Um, and I think there were a number of calls We didn't they didn't have 911 calls back in 1980 but uh, there were a number of uh people around in the surrounding area farmers ranchers that called the sheriff's department and reported Some kind of object thinking it might have been an air force object because of the missile base But uh, it wasn't it wasn't anything air force and then when the security alert team the team like a like a military SWAT team went out there to check on the site they found that the top hatch Going down into the missile The site the top hatch that maintenance personnel would open would have to open And then go down to do maintenance on it and was opened And they couldn't figure out I mean it required a an encryption lock or a cipher lock To get into that area So, uh, we went up there I mean the OSI from Ellsworth went and responded initially and then myself and another agent From Kirtland flew up there and I think it was like two days later And we did an investigation we now one of the I can't remember if it was a a farmer or a state trooper or a ranch somebody took a picture Of the craft not on the ground but in the air hovering over the silo And um, it was it was quite an extraordinary uh pretty clear picture It was a 35 millimeter camera from some distance Very interesting That picture Hey, uh, Steven you're the uh, you were asking rick a question and he was responding to you and then the The show kind of abruptly ended but one of the questions you asked rick about the dulcy base I have had a conversation Not a long one with rick about dulcy and I was a little surprised at his answer. I mean Part of me wanted to believe it was all true But maybe if rick wanted to talk more about what he believes is true about the dulcy base. I don't if you're comfortable with that rick Yeah, sure Yeah, we my first My first uh knowledge of dulcy was during the paul benowitz investigation Uh in the early 1980s Paul would fly up there paul was a pilot and he flew his own plane up around the base um, apparently the ETs that paul had was having contact with Directed paul up to to that area Archuleta peak and and dulcy area Uh, so I went up there a number of times trying to figure out whether any of the information that paul was providing was factual or not And one night paul and I were up there. We'd draw we had driven up We didn't fly up this particular time and we had another person with us who worked, uh, uh at, uh, kirtland in the It area and and we saw some strange things on top of the mountain So I did a lot of investigation and I found out that they uh, uh, the fifth or tenth special forces unit out of fort carcin Colorado, which is only about 80 miles six 70 miles from dulcy I used dulcy as a training base used archuleta peak as a training base and so That's what I found out about it. Now There is a tunnel under uh, archuleta peak you can access it through a a Shaft it was a mining. Uh, there was a mining operation there back in the early 60s Uh, kermigie mining company Uh, dug the uh, the shaft Uh, they were looking for uranium um There's a book out there, uh, the history of kermigie mining company and there's a small paragraph short paragraph in the book that that talks about Uh, uh, searching the area of archuleta Mesa for uranium and that's it. It's all that said in the book, but um So there is something under there and now Who has access to it? Uh I don't know. I mean, I know I've I've heard john lears uh Talking about it. I heard john alexander talking about it. I've heard a number of stories I just don't know if any of them are true I just know what I know and what I had access to and that's really the only information I can I can share What what what I knew Steven did you have any follow-up? um Yeah, well, I mean that's That's what really interests me the most because I was you know as a kid I'm like I this narrative was delivered to me and somehow I started to get obsessed And I found myself dragging my dad all the way to the archuleta Mesa and talking to the jicariah A pati indians about this thing And my dad was looking at me going when you get this stuff And I'm like, I don't even know if I read it off some book in a new age bookstore, you know and I That was that was sort of the basis of you know my question of these narratives that that just take a hold in us And we get convinced like close encounters. You know, we have to like Go to this place and and I was looking for the shaft that you're talking about And and all the all the the apatis there are saying you're never going to find it You're never even going to get close And I just kept trying to drive up the mountain and and literally the mud on the mountain Got so soft at some point our our truck like slid off the road and we had to Get some apaches to like come and help us to get out and they were laughing at us like we're idiots and so It's it's fun to think about now But like at the time I was really seriously obsessed and And yeah, I guess I guess the nature of my question is about how these narratives get hold And how do we know if they're true? We can't really we can't really find out unless we you know go as far as we can right isn't that the Isn't that the yeah, yeah, exactly You know, that's it. That's all you can do is uh Investigate as much as you can But there's so many different people that have Have been up there investigated it. I know uh lennard springfield did Back in the late 80s, uh, of course the story about What's his name the guy that lost his What was his name? Uh, can't think of it right off hand, but He claimed to have Paul schneider phil schneider phil schneider. Yeah Phil schneider And and it was proven later that all of his injuries were done He was a high voltage technician and all his injuries were done when an electric line struck him in the hand and in his chest Uh, you know, there were people that got his medical records, uh I want uh, uh phil class confronting him at a ufo convention some many years ago and he just walked out because He said no no no no no that was a different My injuries were from something else, but so uh, there's a lot of uh Information out there that I can't verify. I know john alexander talks about a a tunnel from los alamos national laboratories to uh, dulce Whether that exists or not. I don't know You feel like uh talking about babasar because people always want to debate babasar and What what do you believe to be true to what degree can you say you do or don't believe babasar? Well, what I do know and what recently, uh, I obtained Um, I'll tell you a quick story. I got an email. I get Probably 200 emails a week and sometimes more from from people all over A little all over the world and one one person that kept sending me this email Email about having something that he wanted me to see and I finally, you know Decided to respond to him. I mean catching up with all my other emails I tried to answer all of them and he told me that he has a document Uh that he needs me to see and he lives in north las vegas And he he had a terminal cancer and he wanted me he'd worked at area 51 He wanted me to see this document So I I made time and I drove up there I thought there would be some kind of an amazing document which it turned out to be quite amazing He had The entry control log For area 51 um No groom lake complex. It's called Papus lake in southern um Nellis test range which which is the areas from groom lake down to a creature for space all that area in there He has the enter control logs a full enter control logs from uh, January 19 January 1st 1979 Until december 31st 1990 now It's a computer printout. I don't know if how old each everyone's out there is but it's the old dot matrix A huge computer printout sheets There's over almost 1200 sheets So it's almost impossible to try to print them. I remember this But you okay, you know what i'm talking about so I've been I've been Studying this thing George nap is going to help me and and some others We're not quite sure what we're going to do but of course The the the media thing and I did was I went through And checked all the people who claimed To have worked in area 51 now. This is a actual legitimate Uh roster we we we verify it through three different sources So I can say it's factual. It's not something anybody make up And I don't know how anybody would ever create something like this I mean you'd have to have a 1970s error one of these huge A long uh four-foot printers and and and the computer programming Is the old unix Style so we we verified it's real So I went and I of course the first person I checked was me because I was out there and sure enough My name's in there prominently mentioned in the different time frames. I worked there But Bob Lazar's name is in there He is there showing that he did work there Uh, he worked there for a very short period of time I'm not going to give dates or anything, but he he did work there And uh, so I have verified that And I verified some other people who claim to be there and some Uh prominent people who claim to have worked there. In fact Did work there and there's some who claim To have worked there who uh, I can't find their name in the log. So that's all I'll say Can okay, I'm gonna have to ask the question Can you give us one name of somebody that claimed that maybe didn't work there, but we don't know for sure uh There's a particular Meteorologist out there who claimed uh that he'd worked there in the meteorological Uh, it was a weather whether man And and I can't find his name in there So that's all I'll say I think most people know who I'm talking about I you know for the life of me, I can't remember anybody but Bob that claimed they work there Does anyone know other names? I feel horrible at this moment.  I didn't I never met you But uh, you know and I would Go back and check and I went back and checked these people and and some of them well Almost all of them didn't work there. Uh, and uh, I I've never I'm not going to confront them It's their, uh, you know This is if they want to lie and continue the lie, but I I can I have the document here And um, he gave me some other now this guy that I went out to see he'd he'd worked for uh, e g and g And then he worked for uh, Wackenhot Uh for a number of years. I think from 1967 to To 1995 something I can't remember the exact years. He was older. He was a very Close to 80 years old. He had retired from the government. Uh from contractor services Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. Is that guy that um, he he holds up like um, these fake pictures of alien dolls Um, is that the guy you're talking about? No, no, no, no, no now this is a guy He he has no publicity whatsoever. He's never Came uh public now. He did he did once uh, uh, talk to uh, one of the not george nap of one of the um Reporters on one of the las vegas channels a years ago About a ufo incident, but but that's the only publicity to this guy that I that I got the roster from ever ever Ever had so nobody would know him but um He gave me um He gave me this and he said I said, why did you pick me? He said because I knew you worked out here and I knew you're legitimate because You claiming those dates and I can look in here and say, yep, that's dodie richard dodie You know and so I said, okay And I said, what do you want me to do with these and he said you just take him He said I don't have long for this life. He he had terminal his terminal cancer. He's still alive now And this is a few months ago. This is in uh, July. I mean in may that I went out there and and picked them up and um So and he's still alive. I've still Still talking to him and he's he's he's leading me on to some other things that is that are quite fascinating That I'm I'm I'm researching and and doing and collecting things on but he also had pictures He had pictures of um That he he won't say Although I could assure I could assure him that you're not going to get in trouble for for having these pictures all all these years later But he has some very fascinating pictures of um All he all he would say was their research and development aircrafts being flown out of a groom lake complex He never called it area 51.  He said well, I'm not you're not going to get that statement from me Don't ever don't ever quote me saying that I just know that there are in the Plains now he wasn't in a position He wasn't a scientist He wasn't in the position to have access to highly classified stuff. So let me clear that right away But he saw a lot of things And he took pictures and I said, well, how did you take these pictures? So well, you know cameras weren't allowed out there, but there were ways to get them in and You know, I got mine in in one day and and took some pictures and and and I was out in the range one night And doing some work and all these things were flying around so I thought I would take some pictures he said but He he would he wouldn't go on record as saying. Yeah, they're early on care crafts. All he would say was They were uh our research and development crafts Okay, let's go back in the time machine rick if you don't mind I was the other day when I got to talk to you briefly We I brought up bill more and I think it was was it 1990 when he uh Was at the year that he was on stage and then walked off Just so I got the timeline right on that year 89 1989 okay, so uh You know I I've got to ask you this because I was going to ask you but we had to exit that conversation What can you say? What was the last year? that you were employed by By whatever agency you were employed by to be involved in any kind of a disinformation was That did your career was it as was it 89 or did it go beyond that or can you say what was the last year? My last year uh was 1988 in government service now I worked for dr. Putt off at the institute for advanced studies at at austin for 12 years And we had a government contract So I was a contract I could be considered a contractor During those time period, but 1980 would have been the last time I officially ran operations Like counterintelligence operations So are they uh, not you but Whatever you want to say about this are they do you think they're still hiring? Well Are they still hiring contractors to spread uh misinformation and Is that a pretty lucrative paint job? Yeah, I there there are still Companies um That they hire to do to do um private intelligence operations collections Yeah, yeah, they the fbi hired hires them They have a number of different agencies that are company contractors that do things In the united states overseas The key used to be the key company that did all the The the the black work for CIA and di was uh black water, but of course they they change your names They don't really exist anymore in that capacity Was uh, did you ever get a chance to meet eric prince or do you know who he is? Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. I know eric prince. Yes It now if somebody had come to you at some point, uh, whether it's the 90s or the 2000s or whenever And they wanted to offer you let's say a contract to do some work for them Uh, but it it maybe in in that contract it it didn't entail something that you Felt morally or are you just didn't feel like you wanted to be a part of I mean if you turned down contracts? I guess is the question I want um The only actual contract I did as soon as I left government service I was hired by another company and I'm not going to just disclose company in in in the Lotter part of Of 88. I can't remember exact dates, but it was uh anyways a lot of part of 88 um, and I worked for that company for um Ah probably 15 months Not quite and maybe 16 months and I did um Contract work for them and it pertained to contracts That other government agencies uh gave them to do and they were most almost all of them were Uh surveillance Core ordered surveillance operations, uh Both physical surveillance meaning following somebody around Uh and also electronic surveillance meaning monitoring Uh electronic eavesdropping equipment that we used or uh pin registers or our clack mix Systems and things like that and and we would just uh, we didn't have any rest powers or law enforcement powers All we did was a manage other agencies electronic systems and operations So that had nothing to do with misinforming the public is what it sounds like to me Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I we we had nothing nothing whatsoever to do with uh misinforming no it would that didn't have It didn't have anything to do with that. It was what we were doing. Uh, we all we were Doing was monitoring Uh surveillance But it's Richard rick. You might if we get to some juicy stuff I want to hear about these aliens at roswell. Like what about them? What can you tell us about them? Well, I can tell you I've certainly went around back down certainly was too young for that but um I just can and I've told us uh many many times at yofo convention the speeches um What I was briefed into Uh, and I was briefed in to the united states, uh government's program Of investigating in in their historical Uh contacts with et's I got that briefing 1979 because I was working on a case where I had had access to it and I and before that And all all the intelligence operations courses I took within the government and I took many of them Uh, the intelligence operations officers course, which is a pretty grueling course and then I took Uh, a cia course in a di a course account or espionage account or intelligence course and so forth None of those courses ever mentioned The subject of ufo's None not one not one word not one paragraph and any the in the thick manuals that we had to study Uh, so there was never any mention or training On that particular in that area So when I came out as a counterintelligence officer Uh, I I didn't have a clearance for for that Now there were other people in the office and the mail and the uh, Invest in my intelligence officers in my office that had already been briefed And so they would have they would handle cases like that Well, I had a case come before me and I had to be briefed into it and my boss came in and said Uh rick you need to go over to the air force special security office, which was on the other side of the base At the air force weapons laboratory and you need to get a briefing and there's a code This it's you know codeword such and such a briefing So I said okay and not knowing exactly what I was going to do. I went over there and Went in I got my tickets punched and my badges and everything changed and checked then I went into a room a secure room a colonel came in and introduced himself they were Oh, I don't remember how many people in the room But there were probably 10 or 12 other people in the room getting the same briefing as I I got and he said Bobby here to brief you and get your tickets punched and that's kind of a terminology that we used By meaning that you were going to get a special access program going into a special access program about United States government's involvement with the investigation of extraterrestrials and I I honestly had this I kind of chuckled a little bit the guy next to me did too. He kind of looked at me And with a weird look on his face, and I thought What? So anyways, you know next hour and a half or whatever long it took Uh, I should we were shown no film or the roswell recovery film Uh, we were told about riba one the live et that was found alive in the crash site And what we were told and what the picture showed What everybody talks about roswell the actual craft crashed near corona into mexico Not roswell Now brazil's land was south of of corona the debris field That everybody talks about Contained the antenna or the rear sec section of the et craft The et craft actually landed southwest of a farm Mendo farm In in corona and it was found by a archaeological team and They didn't know what to do so they had to get into a vehicle and drive to the ranch and And the ranch Luckily he had a phone because phones were rare back in those days called the sheriff And the sheriff and the state police officer arrived unseen And then eventually the army was notified and and so forth and so on now that What happened was there was two et crafts lying over to mexico now There's going to be a lot of arguments over exactly how they crashed or why they crashed or what I don't know I don't know that and they never explained it but anyways two of them collided probably because of the the A electrical storm that was happening in new mexico Which are are very intense for anybody that that ever lived or visited new mexico One landed crashed in crona one in horse mesa Which was over a hundred miles away as west of sequo They found the craft in 1947 near the one in crona one live alien five other dead bodies in 1949 a rancher was Searching or moving this cattle up to a higher pasture and found the craft In a very very remote area of western new mexico and that was reported by the army recovered That's the story we got and plus other tidbits about our contacts with ets So that's the rousal story What about uh, colonel corso did you get a chance to talk to him much what what it was what was his credibility like from your perspective? I I spent a lot of time um Well, I I should say I he sent me a letter um I can't remember exactly. I still have it here, but he sent me a letter Uh, and then I eventually met him while I was working for dr. Putt off I think we were at we had some kind of event in florida um And I can't remember which one anyways, uh, and I had a chance to spend time Talking to talk to dr. Corso and this was before the book came out his book came out And then after his book came out he wanted to know what my review of it was And I read it and I said well, uh, you know, it doesn't necessarily correspond But some of the things I know and I was was told But for the most part it's it's pretty accurate Can we go ahead and ask steven had his hand up and then after that we'll have an old bet go ahead Yeah, uh rick aren't you Air force o osi isn't that literally meant in black? No, no, uh, okay, let me explain something um The air force office special investigation is an investigative arm of the united states air force they're like, uh They were model after the fbi in fact their first the first director of osi back in 1949 was uh, was a One of hoover's main, uh, fbi agent. He just was loaned over to osi And then over the years, uh, they they gathered or obtained the The counterintelligence mission counterintelligence county espionage Charter for the air force But osi actually does criminal investigations on base and they're off and everybody's federal agent um, I went I was recruited in the u.s. Intelligence community Uh trained by di a cia A little bit of by nsa and then by the air force we I had to go through it uh a federal academy down at gunko georgia and um, and I came back went to To an osi training course and then and all the other training and I was assigned I went in I went in as a counterintelligence officer and That and assigned to osi now that's a little different than Some of the agents that are actually osi agents that were conducting criminal investigations and and other investigations I didn't do that. I wasn't I wasn't a criminal investigator. I was a counterintelligence officer and so Uh, and you talk about men in black um the men in black, uh We actually there were a section Uh, we didn't call it men in black But they came out of a different organization. They came out of the 7602nd air intelligence wing out of fort belvoir They were, uh, really the men in black. They were those strange looking guys Highly trained deep operatives Who did the really really really dirty work? For the u.s. Government and u.s. Intelligence. So they were the actual Uh, uh men in black was uh lu Elizondo a men in black I don't know. I I have uh, I have I I know that lu did serve in the military He did serve in the dia He did serve in, uh protective services Uh That's all been verified by a number of different things including his records, but I don't I don't know anything about The exact nature of of of uh, eluse job We can we move over to old bet can old bet get a question in us even thank you very much by the way Hey, how you doing sir uh prior force here as well P.o.l. Um, just had a quick question for you. Uh, as far as What the way they used to run the programs in your opinion? Uh, we can't count on the government for any kind of real disclosure unless we I mean Because it only benefits them for the counterintelligence purposes and I mean, I'm just curious what your opinion is Oh, yeah, I agree. I've always been supportive of disclosure But we're never going to get full disclosure the commander of uh The u.s. space agency just said a few days ago Uh, when asked about uh disclosing Anything they had on the subject of ufo's he said Uh We're not cooperating with any just any type of disclosure Uh operation so we're not going to get it from the u.s. Space Force and so I don't think we're going to get it from the united states air force Uh, we're going to get a limited disclosure Uh, not historical disclosure And I've been to I don't know six or seven. Let me see well actual physical meeting six With congressmen and senators physical, I mean In person and then some zoom or signal call a signal meetings Uh, I'm sure everybody knows what signal is a very more secure than zoom Meetings with senators and congressmen. Uh, marco rubio is really leading in the effort but what they're talking about is a disclosure From that from 2004 nimitz incident up until now When when when some of the Myself included Start talking about history Everybody shuts their mouth nobody wants to talk about history You know what why why don't we want to talk about historical aspect of this subject? And That's just not in their nature. They just don't seem to care about the nature of the history Uh, they want to talk about what's going on right now What we are experiencing right now what we are collecting from space right now So that means basically we're not we're not going to get a full disclosure You're right Do you have any more questions old vet? No, I'm good. Thank you. I appreciate it, sir Okay, I wanted to put you over to uh, how put off recently, uh released a an amazing, uh Writing uh that he talked about headline the ultra terrestrials and, uh Fortunately, I was able to meet you and we we didn't talk about this but you kind of Gave me the impression that some information was going to come out and lo and behold, this is an amazing paper What what can you say about that paper and what do you believe to be, uh, What just your thoughts and feelings of about the paper and why how might have put that out if you can talk about that Well, first of all, I've known hail hail book put off, uh Going back to 1980s during the aviary Days when I was on the aviary and he was one of the key officials. In fact, he was the chairman of the board for The first couple years So I know how the most Incredible person I've ever met a brilliant mind somebody who Is a also a brilliant scientist In in in general science and also in physics and theoretical physics So I'll preamble that first uh, so I read uh house, uh, doctor put offs, uh, a paper and It coincides with what I worked with him for 12 years And I was a field investigator for him. I went on collected things for him, uh, analyzed Helped him analyze. I'm not a scientist. My My invest my degree is in political science with minor education. So I'm not a scientist although I do teach advanced math online, but Hal These are a lot of things that the government scientists Have been working on for years and so Uh, and he's perfected the analysis Uh, and there's a lot of things he mentions in there especially the intimate dimensional uh, that He's only briefly talking to me. He's not talking about The classified stuff that he could bring out He's only talking about the possibility That these things could be presented in a number of different ways.  I believe everything he said in that I uh, he's he's a A wonderful, uh, human being just to To sit down and talk with him and chat with him about different things So, uh, that's my that's my, uh, analysis of of uh Of how I'll put off I'll positive Thank you. Uh, Dale. Do you have a question, Dale? Uh, yeah, look if you could could you elaborate at all on Because what we have in the ufo space is a lot of obsession on those great topics like roswell and beings inside ships But uh with that paper by how recently Uh, can you can you speak to anything about things like ultra terrestrials or or sentient light beings or other forms of non-human intelligence, which, um, doesn't get so much attention In there. So did did you work with any of that or can you share anything about that? during my time in uh everything was uh compartmented and uh The fallacy is just because you have a top secret clearance with all these different Uh acronyms behind your name doesn't mean you have a need to know something so uh, just because I had a clearance and high-level clearance with all the different lettering behind my clearance doesn't mean that I had access to everything I know that there was a lot of things Uh pertaining to et visitation et contacts, especially in a realm of abductions Uh that pertain to a possibility pertaining to interdimensional beings now What you have to look at is this there's and and I think how kind of mentions this um et's come From a long distance away. They some we know at least the ebons came from 37.5 light years away And they did that they traveled in like seven months. So um, we know that And there's other beings now during my time. I knew a five different species that came that we knew that it was or and so They come off from all this distance They come here now. Where are they going to live? Where are they going to stay? Are they going to live in ships out in space? well Some of these beings are probably hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of Of years, uh more advanced than us And maybe they figured out a way To open the time space continuum Interdimensional so rather than living Right here where we can see them they can open up something open up a door and move into that next dimension and they come out and sometimes we see them come out to Come into our reality or our dimension and I think howl's kind of explained that in a very crude way So I think I think that's a policy possibility but I think My belief and and it's just me rich rick dodie of what I've done for those years I believe they still are interplanetary travelers and they come in from other star systems and and as Maybe even galaxies, but probably I don't know that You know you you talk about if they come from another galaxy you're talking about and you know A long track travel hundred thousand light years and not just uh, you know Four or five or ten light years if they're still in within our galaxy. So that's my belief Now I've never I've never seen anything in that written. I've never seen any classified documents Uh pertaining to this subject because I probably didn't have a need to know I hope that answers your question There was a story that you told like I think on a radio show and I know you told me but if you're allowed to repeat it Where uh, there was a mountain out there in the vicinity of groom lake area. I'll say where at one point you Learned that there might have been uh Some other beings living there other than humans Can you can you talk about that story and how that ended or is that not a subject that you can go into? No, that was a uranium incident while I was at uh groom lake, um, I investigated that along with uh, some other osi and some other and actually fbi was involved in this too These women got abducted They went on the base. They were up near warm springs if you if you're familiar with nevada um used to be a bar and grill at warm springs uh and rob was six and uh, the hot springs air and and other things and they were traveling through and and somewhere Close to the turnoff to ton of paw Uh, they were abducted makes a long story short They went into the the aliens took them into some kind of a mountain a cave And they then ended up walking Near this mountain which is on the nelis test and training range range in a far western portion Of the of the test range south of ton of paw um Right near the the gold field the border area And they were found walking on the test range By security personnel and they were brought back and they told the story and we all got involved in my county sheriff's got involved anyways, um, and they tell tell us about of this cave that they were in Now myself and this other osi agent and one and another security officer, uh We kind of knew this area. We knew that area We knew urania was a mountain a big mountain there on and in the western portion of of uh of the test range and it used to be There used to be a mining uh Uh Camp there a mine. I'm not sure what they were mining, but anyways, uh back in the 40s There were a lot of mines around this area anyways, we went out there and we found this tunnel And we went into this tunnel We went flashlights and we and we all always carried our arm side arm And there were three of us and we walked up this tunnel and it was an old Tunnel that was dug out You could tell it was from the mining days But we got about oh a hundred yards in and then it started Almost immediately started Uh, uh We we entered a newer portion of this cave almost brand new walls Which and ways in the back Distance we were looking through the end of the tunnel And it was lit. I thought my god, there's You know, they must have built something and I'm thinking sandy national laboratories Which actually ran the tunnel ball test range back in those days They must have built a test site back in there and so we're just walking up there and we we get Probably uh 50 yards from the entrance into this big Cavern that we could see that's lit up this big huge I call it a roba appears And he starts advancing towards us and he had very long arms He's probably seven foot tall and believe it or not It kind of looked like that that that robot on the day the earth stood still And he had something in his hand Like a tube or something Of course, we stopped we're stunned Uh, like what the heck is this and you know, a lot of things going through our minds my mind is Is this something that maybe that labs testing for security purposes or you know I thought well, maybe we Wanted in the area we shouldn't have And so we decided, you know, discretion is a better part of valor. So we turned her on and we accident and um When we reported it, uh, we did a report, uh and They ended up sending a big team of of actual uh Soldiers in there And they eventually blew up the the mountain now if you if you google it You'll see the top part of that mountain is caved in Uh, uranium mountain and and and now that's that's all I know And what what That there's a true story 100 right rick 100 true story 100 percent Okay, and then uh claus you've had your hand up claus could you would you like to say anything or ask a question? Yeah, I got a couple questions. Uh, can you hear me? Yes, yeah, oh cool. Yeah. No, it's great to uh talk to you. Um, I was just wondering, uh, what I guess Um, what was the story of you meeting eric prince and have you ever met peter seal? Um, that's kind of all I got. I'll take my answer off the air Uh, just I met him at a at a at a conference Uh, that's it. That's nothing Extraordinary extraordinary about the meeting. I I don't uh, I was introduced to him by I can't remember who introduced me But that that was it nothing nothing more than than that there's anything, uh, extraordinary, uh That I can remember about the meeting with him. Um And the other person I don't recall I don't recall ever meeting him um So, okay, how about lacy would you like to talk to mick lacy? Yes, sir. Um, I'll talk to now Oh, what you can tell me about phil schneider and The battle like underground with the aliens Um It's not going to be it's not going to be what you probably want to hear.  Uh, phil class did a very very uh detailed uh investigation of him because What he what he came out and said about these wars And all this story about the different levels under dulcy Uh could not be verified and so That's what I know about phil schneider. Of course, he died. Uh, there's He was killed Uh, we know he was killed. Uh, there was an investigation and yeah, he somebody killed him Why they killed him? Uh You know, some people say it was over a stolen vehicle or a vehicle that he had Uh had not a proper to lit properly Uh, uh sold Uh, and then some say that He knew a lot more about the subject and and somebody killed him. So I don't know. I don't know anything more About it than than that Thank you rick. Uh matt Matt at least you got to follow up a quick one No, I'm good. Thanks. Thanks matt. Go ahead matt Hi rick nice to talk to you Hi Yeah, uh, I was I was curious like I know we've had some conversations um about cashland drill And uh, I'm from new cany porter. So that growing up that's you know, that's always in the shadow of my hometown and I know that there's been a lot that uh, certain bloggers have written and certain things that have been said that There's there's so much With that one that I know people who were nurses the parents One of my buddies his mom was one of the nurses working whenever cashland room You know went to the hospital and So, I mean they had they had physical effects from that craft And I mean you we can't deny the evidence that there was something that happened there Yeah, yeah, no you you're absolutely right. I I did I wasn't there um, I was partially involved in an investigation because the craft That uh, was flying above their vehicle was in fact an et craft, but it had a Uh, a uh one of our propulsion system. It was a nuclear propulsion system And the pilots were military pilots and they were flying the craft from Area 51 groom lake area down to um, um, I can't remember which air for I think it was big springs air force base or an air force base down there someplace and the and Somewhere along the way they they had engine problems And it did the uh, I apparently one of the shields around the nuclear propulsion system a malfunctioned Spill and radiation and so yes cash Miles I was within 10 miles of that incident when I was six months old Well, uh, you know, I don't know exactly What the you know, what area was affected, but They they did there was uh, some, um Radiation Contributed that the injuries contributed or they radiation contributed to their injuries Um, they were treated at berksham air force base hospital They were promised more treatment, but they just they declined and um, but the the craft they were able to actually Uh, get the craft to someplace other base. I can't remember which base down there And then they ended up repairing it and flying it back to Area 51. So, uh, so that all happened And and those poor people did and and I know that They were sued and the government Refused to acknowledge it and then when they were offered They were eventually offered money and I think they took it they took some money But then they had to sign a non-disclosure, uh statement. So That's about all I know about it Thank you for that question matt. David. Do you want to ask a question or say anything? Actually, hold on. This is real quick on catch landrum. Um, I wanted to ask about the helicopters Um valet said that he looked into the helicopters and there's like there's no way there was that many because there's no Where they could have landed nearby with that many or something. Do you know if there was as many helicopters as claimed? The helicopters, uh, yeah, there were some helicopters. They're all army us army helicopters. They were chinook helicopters ch 46s they are called a u.s. Army and I think there were six Or no, there were maybe think about it. There were six of them. I believe some of them were Army National Guard or Texas National Guard helicopters and some of them were actual helicopters from Some army base close by. I don't I don't know which base it was Logan did you uh want to comment or ask anything? I didn't mean to just go quiet. Um, yeah, no, that's that's cool with me. Yeah, awesome Yeah, is there anybody else that I mean this is an opportunity. I've been asking rick to do this for a while I I'm glad that the people here are being respectful and you know, this we're just trying to learn what our history is And maybe get a glimpse into what the future might be if you dale go ahead Yeah, look I've since I've kind of it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. So, um, look, can you tell us Are you able to disclose anything about the the et's you've got? I'm not sure how much you're allowed to say but You know the the whole friendly benevolent opportunistic. I mean, can you speak a little bit about that and the the different types? Well, um, yeah, the well, I only know about new of the five different ones and um, um But you gotta understand this people And I get this question all the time at UFO conventions People want to know well, you know, why do the et's do this and why don't they do this and and what do they eat and what? Well, first of all, I personally knew of only five now there may be You know thousands now, but but during my days, there were only five of them and and those five Um, we're all from different star groups They're all biologically scientifically environmentally different from each other No two aliens were the same they breathed different, uh atmospheres, they ate differently They had different brain structures So you couldn't class These five that I knew about into one. They're all different. In fact, when we captured or obtained them They had to bought they had to We the United States government had to build special containment uh facilities at that's two annex To house them. I mean they they wouldn't survive one particular uh species had to have a Certain amount of methane gas. He had to breathe methane because his planet had had methane in the atmosphere so So that was just an example of what The complexity was to house these things A real quick real quick rick. The s2 annex was at the groom lake, correct? Yeah, uh annex and s2 annex was at pat poose lake was north of of north west of pat poose lake And you can actually google that and there's this been going around a long time You can google that area and you'll see a Facility there that is the actual facility. I don't know what what's housed there now But that that facility is still in the same place that they built and like I said, they had to build different types of of containment facilities for each one of these different Uh creatures No, uh, just as just because I I think I thought this story, uh Several creatures were were there But there was one time, uh, maybe if you can recall what type of creature it was That somehow escaped and I'm just if you can kind of explain how that might have happened and then the the story is a wild story It's hard to believe but it's a it's a cool story if you can share that again well, um, yeah the The um The containment facility With something we built of course we united states that our government Our technology built it And when they first built this and we first housed one particular species um That uh was called the kwataloids and now I don't know who named these I think di And there's some particular reason why I don't know that but the kwat kwataloid and and and the kwataloid is um These are we think there's two different types genetic One was genetically engineered alien and it came in two different types one an insect It looked like a praying man is Any other was more, uh, like the body was more humanoid, but The head was more like an insect Uh, that escaped And uh, it actually made its way all the way from Uh, the where Estuanax is in the kind of a middle portion Of the test range and the nellis testing training range all the way up to the northern perimeter of nellis test range near a little mining community called silver creek and um And so that you know make a long story short. I mean there's I mean that could it would take me hours to explain the whole thing but They were they were able to actually Neutralize this this thing now. We know though that this particular Uh species of et came from the cirrus star system And they actually know the planet And I don't know how they do that how they know this but I can tell you that that they know that di you know that or we know that Okay, what one quick question and then david uh, my quick question is as you're acquiring this information You're involved in these investigations during your time when you worked there Uh, was there a ever a time where in your mind you thought Are you guys putting me on or was this always serious business? There was no there was no kind of disinformation or misinformation being spread around your own group Does that make sense? Oh, yeah, I mean after I got briefed uh 1979 Um, I was flabbergasted. I'd tell you I mean I I went through a lot Before that and and just a little back background. I I my my my father my uncle My cousin Royal military my father retired colonel. It was an intelligence my my uncle's edward dodie He was famous for the Lonnie's amore case and and I went I went into the regular air force first I got out of the regular air force I went to college and then I got in intelligence So and and during my regular air force days. I was in special tactics. So I I I I I was around a block a few times nothing really scared me Um, but I sat there and listened to that colonel speak And and and my office was on the on the east side of kirtland air force base And I had to go to the west side for this briefing and it's about you know 10 miles apart or so So I left I got my car and I drove back to my office and I had to pull off the road Uh, and I I just sat there in this parking lot of of the I think it was a gymnasium And just thinking about what I just heard And one of my questions, you know one thing that I was questioning myself was Do I believe all this? I mean I never had any We never had any training. What really puzzled me was Um, I thought well if this is all true, why didn't they teach us this In all the different courses that I just went through You know last the year before That intelligence operations course like the counter espionage course the counter intelligence course The field operations course attack all these different courses I went through and they never once mentioned the subject and now I just spent an hour and a half in a room with this colonel Showing me these films and oh and telling me No, the UFO subject is real now as a kid growing up. I never believed it I mean, I didn't have any I had no interest in it my brother on the other hand He would read all the true magazines and you know, he was he was into that I wasn't he in fact he he had all the different george adamski books uh, so Yeah, I questioned I questioned what I had and What what I had heard and what I was briefed into however When I got back over to my office Uh within probably You three or four days Uh after the briefing Uh, I started getting um these highly classified documents top secret coming in from The armed forces Armed forces couriers And and an armed forces courier They only carry the really really really really really really sensitive stuff And I got it all and that fact they had to give me two filing cabinets that That I could store top secret information in it In everything that I was reading pertaining to that So then I realized my god, it's real It's real and then of course over the years when I went out and investigated these cases It I determined that everything that I was Briefed into is factual. Wow. Thank you for sharing that David. You got a question Uh, yeah There was a rumor that I've heard going around that at some point Uh, a gray was in captivity. I don't know if you want to call it in captivity, but there was a gray that was You know in possession of the u.s. Government Our the u.s. Government had possession of a gray and is that a true story and and really what I want to know is that Part of that rumor is that it would not openly Answer questions like it would only communicate with one or two people and there were certain questions that it would not answer And that kind of dovetails into another question. I have Which is why are the abductions occurring? Um, and that's all I got That's a that's a great question, David well, um Week we capture after the the roswell crash crash in 1947 of july We recovered one live et And they named it eba one. They named it eba. They didn't back then it was only wearing head one So it was named eba From extra trust or biological entity Um, he couldn't speak our language. He was the gray. He was about The four foot tall Uh typical large eyes and slits for mouth and so forth It could speak a language, but we couldn't understand its language Uh, and doctors, uh, it was captured in 47 and 49 some brilliant, um You know, some throat doctors or maybe plastic surgeons developed Something that they could implant into its throat in order for it to to at least try to speak Our language or I mean English Because their language is just tonal. It just tones It was just a tonal language And although it was language to them we we couldn't we couldn't understand it After that It started relaying and was able to speak with us now It had been in our captivity for two years prior to this and it was a very brilliant Anity so it could it learned it could hear our language being spoken And they showed him pictures and they Basically taught him our language in our and our numbering system and so forth and so on So after that, uh, he was able to talk to us now I think you're talking about another one that we had captured some years later And I don't remember which crash crash site it was Who was quite, um Non responsive to us and I don't know anything more than I know of the case you're talking about Uh, I knew one of the intelligence officers who worked on that case uh, but But I don't know any anything of any more details in that Uh, thank you. I have a question real quick. Um, okay. Go ahead. What are you next? Are they mad? Are they mad that we have like their, uh friends? um, um I would think You know They are but then again You can't relate our Thinking process, you know, one of the things scientists wrote and which is quite fascinating. I wish it was ever wish you could we could find a copy of this thing, uh, but Scientists that had studied all these different et races One of the things that they they they brought up over and over and over and over again is that you you must understand That none of these creatures are like us And so therefore we can't seem to apply our thinking process uh to them because We just can't understand it and and doctor put off Uh, did the same thing scientifically. He says We used to try to apply what Our technology to their crafts trying to figure out Okay, our technology. Okay. This is a propulsion system. What type of propulsion system is it?  I I I would know I you know, I I don't think anybody Can get in their head to figure out like communicated like we want our friend back or They sent down like a message like bring us back our friend or you can have this guy instead or anything like that Not that I know of the only uh, I mean there's been some some very very very, uh, uh, uh serious Incidents that's happened That's something that disclosure will never I mean never release of where US military officers were killed Probably in retaliation For having captured file 13 and There were investigations And and I I don't know whatever happened to those investigations, but I'm sure they're highly still highly classified and they'll never be released Because that's me as like a retaliatory kill on their part probably it probably would I mean I would guess yes exactly I mean There was an incident in washington dc many years ago where officers were in a In a secure facility underground or I think third level down or something to that effect It wasn't pentagon, but it was another secure facility They had security in and outside And these creatures I came through the walls material deep materialized and rematerialized and killed not all of them, but A lot of most of them and then the ones that weren't Killed were were maimed and and so We don't know why we don't what particular species did it and I think the consensus was it was retaliation for something but um, You know what? Yeah, Taylor you had a question. Uh, are you still wanting to ask Taylor? Yes, so so that's interesting how you just mentioned how they dematerialized and and like You know walked through walls and these these instances are often often reported with ets And that's just kind of like what do y'all think about that like if these are if these are biological entities how In their bare body form would they be able to do something like that? Well, we they're extraterrestrial biological entities, so they're they're Their bodies, uh, you know, we don't understand. I mean we can't even analyze their makeup of their of their skin Uh, and so there's probably more to to their Their structures that we just don't understand Uh, like for instance something that was I read Oh gosh a year somebody wrote a book a couple years ago And in the book they're talking about he speculated that a uh An et computer was found in one of the crafts And we couldn't figure out how it worked and we we kind of We kind of assumed it was a a computer, but we didn't know how it worked. Well Come to find out we took it to one of the our ets that that we had in captivity And I don't know how we figured this out or how we found out, but It wouldn't work without its brain the brain functions caused this physical little computer to work they like work it with their mind like they work with their mind Yeah, they would they would use their mind to activate it and and and whatever they did with it and and so uh, that's uh You know, that's something that is, uh We're we're we don't know about we we we don't know everything there is to know about it That was a great question by the way Taylor And then can we go to Dale because we're going to try to keep this moving but we can come back to you Taylor later Dale than David Yeah, so I'm not sure if you've ever met or um encountered dr Richard Allen Miller, but um, I had a chat with him some time ago and He told me a story about and it kind of ties in with what taylor asked about Telepathy basically he said he met a female seven and a half foot extraterrestrial And um, it established a mental or a telepathic link with him and he described it as like having You know years of experience in just moments Um, could you could you speak to anything about that about the telepathic or consciousness abilities of these beings? Yeah, um the In your early days, uh And we get that a lot of this We gathered it from the abduction uh experiences Contact ease or abductions is uh telepathic communications But over the years, uh our scientists the di a scientists um Analyzed it in a different way and determined that it wasn't so much telepathic because telepathic um Is is a is a really a a a a particular type of of of communications What they what our science what they're saying today is that it's a it's a brain transfer of thought It's not telepathy. It's a brain transfer of thought so why They can do this and and there are some Contact ease I I've worked with one particular one Uh, who's absolutely brilliant. I can't name her but she's absolutely 100 brilliant person Who can uh who has had? Not abduction experiences just contact ease experiences None of her experience of her hostile or or uh, they weren't abductions or force abductions Or kidnapping or anything like that and and she she will be the first one would tell you that it's not telepathy It's it's they're they're actually Getting inside your brain With thought process and in transferring that thought process Not just the wording but that whole process From their brain into ours now Uh, I I understand I'm not expert in this area, but I understand there's a lot of people out there who uh Are scientists like psychologists and and psychiatrists Who can explain this in in more details and probably more common sense than I can Uh, that thank you for that rick. Uh, david you got want to ask a question? Uh, yeah, it's um pretty clear that a lot of the activity of these craft are occurring out in the oceans Uh, do you have any idea of what species it is that's camped out in the oceans? Are they there? Uh, permanently or is it just like a little base camp that they've set up or is that? Not even true Well, um I I really don't know Other than what, uh, you know, I've been told by others. I there there's there's a um a naval officer With david a dare. I'm sure everybody knows david, right? Uh, david a dares david and erica. Yeah, uh, david, uh, he was a naval intelligence officer He's also a p o w and a pilot naval pilot and they went into naval intelligence and um, we had david and I kind of cross paths on a investigation Many years ago anyways david Would be the person to address that question to and and I have asked him that question because Of an incident that happened way down near the curgillian islands Which is one of the most remote island is the most remote island in the world. It's inhabited and uh, something that happened down there And he knew all about it and he talked about it in great length. In fact Um, I just came I was filming up filming more episodes up in bolder and gaya and david was up there He was also filming and uh, we we spent the the evening dinner at our producer's house And we talked about this case And you know one of the things I asked him about is Are there bases because I I wasn't in the navy. I don't anything about the navy portion of what they knew He said yeah He said there there are bases But they're so complex And they're so well hidden That when something we have submarines down Looking for these bases and we see a craft coming out of the base and then we immediately of course Our submarines Can't travel as fast as they're underwater the et's object spacecraft in or underwater aircraft So it would take our submarine a long time to get to that location and then They can't go. I mean it's submarine can only go to 2,600 feet or I guess now 3,000 feet so if it's 20,000 feet Below that There's no way for us to ever get down there to figure out the basis Real quick. Well one quick yes or no question. Then we're going to go to matthew Do you believe david adair's story in 1971 that he was taken down there and shown this symbiotic piece? I mean, I believe him. I'm just curious if you believe that story I think he's clarified a couple things about that um, I think I understand where there's some conjecture about the incident because what he Said and what was reported Somewhat different and I think the fact that There are some questions about it. Um, I believe in his his his statement regarding what happened And I don't have any reasons not to Um, okay. Thank you rick. I appreciate. Let's go to matthew and then after that we're going to go to stretch Hi, I just had a real quick question for rick. Um Do you see uh yourself and lou Elizondo today and Do you can you talk about any of your interactions at all with christopher green? Um Lou and I have talked many times um He wanted me to join his group Offered very politely offered me offered to to uh Uh bring me into his group Uh, and I I said, you know, I really appreciate your offer, but I I'm I'm I'm in my own group We have a set agenda in my group. Um part of the uh, uh, retired intelligence officer association And we are pushing for disclosure but in a different manner than his group is pushing And I know that he said a lot of kind words about me And I know chris melan just recently, uh, you know, he said a lot of really nice words about me But I still uh, I'm going to stick with my group. Uh now, uh, lou and I had some very very very detailed and candid Uh, uh conversations two of them over a period of a couple days about the subject And there are some things that, um Are we have a different uh train of of thought and in different training? I think in different, uh past experiences In in some areas, so uh, that's that's about all I'm going to think about I appreciate that Thank you very much for sharing that that that helps a lot. I think, uh Um, it's so let me just real quickly Real quickly, uh Yeah, that's about green and I'm just gonna say it Uh kit and I go way way way back kit and I uh, we're on an operations team Uh That did some super secret things not in the arena of ufo's just just intelligence That's to be knowledge and counter espionage. So I've known kit for a very very long time very very close friend of mine We probably talk, uh Three to four times a month and sometimes even more he comes into mexico a lot because he's working on some projects Uh regarding spinal cord injuries and uh, we always are together So, uh, yeah, I've had uh And and I I don't share Our conversations. So but but I have almost constant contact with kate green. Thank you so much dude. I appreciate it Andrey, uh, you're go ahead andrey Oh, you mean me, right? Andrew. Yes, sir. Andre. Yes Well, you can call me andrey if you like it's not my name, but I don't mind. Um, Yeah, it's andrew. I'm sorry. It doesn't show up, right?  I'm gonna go by lee in the future. Here's the thing I just had three things to say quickly from earlier. Um, and I can't remember, you know Where that came out about five minutes ago and I'm not gonna say that I know Better or different although I have my own experiences But when it comes to How much like us are these beings? Well, I think both biologically and perhaps psychologically they may be very different But I don't think many of us here Even if we've been at this a long long time Can do much better than to hear some of the testimony. I say if you really want to know listen to it all He's been talking for decades Start with cliford stone Then move to cliford stone And then again listen to cliford stone because he'll tell you his experiences telepathically And if those are brain downloads, that's my second point I can't claim that I've um Actually experienced exactly what you mean, although I probably have I can tell you about a lot of experiences, but I will tell you when I was 15 years old And I'll do this very quickly. I sat next to a friend. He was teaching me to drive and his father's bmw a beautiful car and um We we were talking for a little bit We just got quiet. We didn't have anything to say. We were just sitting there About 30 30 to 45 seconds went by maybe 30 And we continued the conversation.  It is not complicated or we're not visions and pictures It is not any example of what I call telepathy. It's just brain to brain and you know I was the one that broached the silence and I said Don I said did did what I just think what I think just happened actually happened and he goes And he called me an or ang and he says like Well, and I don't know what do you think just happened and and we kind of looked each other we laughed and I told him So, you know very quickly we we confirmed word for word and what you know, even at you know, I'm 15 16 We know yes That was not an imagined exchange And I won't say I've had that with you know a bunch of et people It's just I'm pretty sure if I can do that with my friend and either one of us et we're homo sapiens sapiens I don't know about two sapiens, but sometimes I feel kind of smart There you go. That's just an example and the last point I wanted to make thank you for letting me say something Ponty If you want to know who's in the oceans, you know, I'm not gonna I'll put my good word on the value of exploring official first contact Let's sue walker And I think her husband is Reverend Otter Maybe it's white Otter And if you will they are p Apostrophe nti and they don't use vowels in their language. We were talking about language So it's ponti and they're supposed to be from a planet called pontel Is it true? Is it a psi up you decide? But if you want to go to official first contact, you could find sue walker on twitter You can ask a question and although she will answer she will put her name at the bottom If it's tilcom the commander if it's um, I don't know if it's tony or tiny or whatever That would be his partner as a couple who I think are actually biological flesh and blood ets Um, I I do believe I have had exchange and I find them quite friendly I think they're dying to say hello to us. So I would say go talk to the ponti Don't just talk about them.  You don't know what you're talking about. Guess what? I want to know that I want to know just like you do So that's all I got to say and thank you so much for hearing one. This is great Your real name wouldn't happen to be Clifford, would it? Yeah, that's funny.  I feel like Clifford continues. You know, he has an emotional story and no one no one can fake that We all know that but when you hear him. Oh your heart just moves and you say well, he saw pain He felt their pain and he was he's been scared. I know that but Clifford knew what they were I mean, they were just people very different. Yes, but these are not just ultra extraterrestrials I believe these people are are super whatever they're we call them They're flesh and blood So he you know, he was having these encounters with people that their craft had gone down or been shot down Maybe they're kind of angry because we keep shooting at them Maybe they're angry because we're attacking them and I don't know if we're doing it today Actually, I do but what I'm saying is, you know, they came down as far back as the vietnam war And they would come in for rescue operations So I think that's where they sent Clifford in, you know, and because they knew he would be receptive to him He's just probably a tremendous empath or a sensitive So, um, I just wanted to say please if you forget everything else Oh, at least check out the ponti but but do give a listen anybody who's never done so to Clifford stone. Thank you Yeah, thank you for that. I want to coast sign what you said about Clifford stone I did have an opportunity to go to his home and roswell in 2018 and spend a whole day with him and I will I will back that man 100 percent If you want to do research and you haven't researched Clifford stone yet Rick dodie. We lost his connection. Unfortunately. I don't know if he's trying to get back in But rick dodie and I have talked about Clifford stone. They live in the same state. They're not too far They were friends and that was one of the first questions I asked rick dodie when I met him As I said, you know, I got a chance to hang out with Clifford stone. You know, he just I just believed this man He's telling the truth What do you think what's your take? He goes? Well, yeah, I mean he's my friend and anyway, so I I'm gonna beat this Yes, and then also sue walker. I'm friends with sue walker. I was at her house last year Wonderful woman. Not only is she being able to have this communication with these ponti people She's also having communication with the sasquatch the bigfoot So if if you guys sort of have any interest in sasquatch or bigfoot, this is my little promo here I'm big. I'm a big sasquatch researcher. That's what I do now Once I figured out ufo's are real I was like, okay, they're real. So what are we gonna do now? I was gonna figure out bigfoot's real But uh, yeah, so is there anybody else that wants to uh, daniel I see daniel's hand stretch I don't know if you were up first, but let's go to daniel and then we'll move over whoever saw got their hand up Go ahead daniel Yeah, you guys, um Great space. It's too bad. I guess rick lost connection or got scared or something.  He said he his signal fell off. He now he's he'll come back You know, I've been he'll come back. He'll answer all your guys questions I just want the point of me even trying to bring him into this is because uh As most of you probably already know, but for those who maybe aren't quite there on that part of the information yet Is yeah, there there's two kind of groups, you know, you've in there and my estimation I understand what both groups are doing and I'm not against it You got lou and his group and and rick and his older group and their retired intelligence They both are trying to push disclosure, but but some of them are more. I mean Uh, let's just put it this way when rick's retired. He's not getting paid to do any of this He's he's not doing any kind of disinformation misinformation campaign I kind of we talked about that in the beginning of this Space is a lot of people still want to you know, hold onto the gun for 30 years ago What the whole paul benowitz thing and I get that but we need to move forward I mean, he's not he's here to tell us as much of the truth as he can without violating any agreements that he has but But yeah, so I think I can ramble ramble I'm just really happy that that hopefully people will be able to get more information and have more questions And then we can ask these questions to some of the other people out there and once everybody's talking Then I think we're going to make some progress. So this is real positive. Okay. So uh, david go ahead Uh, I think taylor was ahead of me. Okay taylor go ahead It looks like he's in the listener section Ricky Maybe invite him as a speaker So so somebody else can go because I was just going to ask him a question. Hey logan either. He may be back. Okay. Got him It's rick. I'm back Oh wonderful so, um my first question was I was reading some disclosed cia papers and one of them was saying that That we don't have any evidence that these things are actually coming from outer space and I was just wanting to get your take on that Oh, I think that was some kind of a lecture paper or something that somebody in fact somebody sent that to me to that well I don't know what the uh, the the the motivation behind that was but The cia knows where they came from where they're coming from the inner circles of the UFO or the special working group advanced working group, which is the what mj-12 is called now They know where they're coming from. So, uh, I don't know why that was written or what the Motivation was behind that And where they're coming from being somewhere in outer space I see Yeah, yeah, I think they I mean di put out a document Well within the intelligence community showing at least the five The ones that we we knew about years ago, uh, where they came from. So I I uh, uh Is the government working with the nordic nordics, um beings I wouldn't have any information on that. I have no idea What any kind I was not if they if if that is the case I never had access to anything like anything pretending to that Last one more question Taylor behind and then we're going to move over but thank you Taylor. Okay. Um, so my last question was I'm trying to see What you think sparked the alien phenomena starting in the 19 Um in 1940s around the 1940s what you think sparked it and if um, the Babylon working ritual had anything to do with that Great question Well, I think the the reason they they started coming to earth was because of our um Our testing of nuclear weapons. I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki or even the trinity site was a um, uh broadcast that we put out in space that hey, we have this weapon system and uh now, uh And it's something that might not even know uh or have it themselves So I think that was like an advertisement to space and I think that's And this is my own personal Feelings I I don't know anything officially and I think that's why they started visiting now I only was was the briefing I received in 1979 pertain to everything that happened after Uh, July of 1947. There was no information whatsoever mentioned about anything prior to 1947 Now I have to admit there's a lot of factual information out there that would indicate that we had been visited Uh for thousands of years before 1947 Real quick who was next was it david or was it daniel? I'm not sure Uh, I I think it was me. Okay. Go for it david. Um, I Either my call dropped, uh, I don't know what happened, but I hate to ask this question again, but Why are the abductions occurring because it seems like you're pretty You've mentioned it twice in passing like of course that's happening And, uh, I you know, my family had experiences with the grays And something went on and in my communication with them. I could not really Make complete heads your tails out of it. So I really want to know Why these abductions are happening if you have any information on that Well, um No, I don't I don't I don't have any firsthand information again We would have to try to understand the alien thinking Now there's a lot of, uh Good information about from abductees and contactees That seem to think that the um The aliens are trying some form of an interbreeding program Um, exchanging dna and uh, experimenting with um, uh Female Oregon our female organs Yeah, I you know, I I've read his books. I I Um, but I don't know anything official. I've never read anything official that says this is why Uh, the aliens are abducting humans. So that I I I probably wouldn't be the right person to answer that question And we get to walk in real quick and then we'll go to zak after that Oh, hey guys Thanks for having me and I got a quick question. Uh, don't worry. Good to talk to you Richard, this has been a pretty interesting day for spaces Did you have a question or a comment to bark or do you want to say anything? You might disconnect it I've had to um Reconnect him like twice up to speaker, but he seems to be disconnecting All right, let's go to zak real quick and then we'll go back to tupac if if he comes back in zak go ahead Appreciate it. Thanks guys. Um, my question was um Well, I do want to say that I I really think based on some information I have that there are probably multiple different types of beings here and so my my question is Why and and also I mean they've been here since before 45 and roswell and you know the nukes and stuff like that I mean all of us know that in this circle. So Um, the question is why if they know about this planet? And they come here for resources like say they come here for resources. That's why they visit Why wouldn't they just live here? Why what's What is it with earth that makes these other beings say I don't want to live there But I want to come here for resources or to study humankind or whatever their purposes may be Oh, that's a good question. I I don't know And I agree with you that Aliens have been visiting earth for thousands and hundreds of thousands of years probably I'm just my My statement about what I know to be factual and what I was briefed into Uh And compared to my own my own beliefs is I yeah, I'm positive they they've been visiting us for thousands years But why? You know that's a good question And maybe it's because they are living here, but in a different dimension Maybe they have the ability to move from From our dimension into some other dimension and and hibernate or whatever But and again, uh You'd have to get inside their mind to figure out why they don't want to live here now there's There's a lot of things bad things happening on earth if they were humanoid in all biological necessities or and the biological makeup Uh, I don't know if they don't want what would want to live here on earth You might if I ask you like, um, have you heard anything about Cataclysms coming up that you know about like in the next 10 years or anything like that that you know about I know you probably couldn't say but A good idea. Well, yeah, I have but I'm not going to discuss it. Yeah So, um to this will be my last question. I want to make sure everybody has plenty of time, but um The other question I have is kind of related to that. I'm just curious Um, I wonder if there's a possibility. I think gary no one had previously mentioned it in an interview I believe it was with uh, danica patrick. I think that's her name the race car driver But um, yeah, anyways, he had suggested that maybe Reptiles had, you know, realized that at some point It's really not super safe to live on the surface. And so they dig Like deeper down into the the the core of the earth and decide to live there and it's funny I always thought I thought it was interesting because it sounds like that's all what we've been doing as well with the Dumb or the dumbs and so I wonder if we maybe got the idea from them Just, you know, just whatever but anyways though, like, um, how do you think it's a possibility that there are different life forms that realize that life on the surface wasn't uh, Sustainable and so they went deeper into the earth and maybe that's where they live That's highly possible and there's there's uh, you know, we haven't At least best my knowledge. We haven't explored Uh, but just a few thousand feet under or 10,000 or 12,000 whatever was Uh, you know, and in the in the ocean bottom of the ocean the marinal trench I think that's what 39,000 feet. I believe or something like that. Yeah Yeah, it's deep and and uh, you know, there's a lot of uh In fact, david adera talks about uh that and by an incident that happened down there so, um Yeah, you know, it's possible that there could be Whole civilization living Living down there and somewhere Let's go to uh, steven and then david or whoever was next. I don't mean to cut you off rick I just I know you're probably getting tired. So I'm gonna try to get as many questions as in as I can before you get too tired Okay, uh, so So, um, I guess around you said 79 you started in this that's that's kind of when I was around when I was born And and and I grew up in this generation You know, which is again removed from the sort of the first level of the crash of 47 And you know, it's always occurred to me that we're in this Strange council of nicaea era where this thing happened before I was born or a lot of people I know and And and you know, they have these gospels. They're all putting together You know this this narrative that's been built now for 70 years And you know, it just makes me wonder like like like Is is there this this end game thing that's going on with like, you know, like the world of ron brawn had that famous, um Notion or the predictor or whatever he said that that they were going to use This narrative at some point You know to to to enforce some kind of whatever control or whatever it is that they want to do and I don't know What what your thoughts on this this overall narrative arc that we're all like living through with that like and are they You know, why wouldn't they just try and control it as much as possible? Well, that's a good question. Um I you know that One of the problems I always have in this in this subject is that these these creatures can travel thousands of light years to earth uh from from it from their their planet Uh, and maybe even maybe even farther than that they come all this way and We start trying to anticipate all the different agendas that they have Why do they why are they coming here? Are they are coming here for minerals? Maybe and there's a lot of good good Evidence that they are in fact Coming here for for things that uh that they can't get in their planet but You know, what is the what what is the attraction here on earth? Is it just because we're only one of Of maybe just a few planets in this region that have life Uh, you know, I start thinking about these things and and but there must be some reason why But again, you got to get in their mind and I can't get in their mind. So they're they're There has to be something that Calls them here and brings them here and Maybe the fact that they've been visiting us for hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of years And I won't come back and check on us Uh, and maybe there's some some other. I mean, I think it was uh, dr Uh, uh, davis who said And no not like yeah dr davis who said Maybe there's an agenda That is so Far out of reality that we just can't comprehend it and that's why they're coming here. So Thank you for uh, tupac. You got cut off earlier. So you have a question or do you want to talk to rick real quick? Yeah, uh, can you guys hear me now? Yes, awesome. And sorry about that. Uh, yeah, so I have a quick question You're referencing this idea telepathy being kind of like not the correct term And how it's more of like a brain thought transfer and it sounded very familiar to Reminded me of gary nullan's explanation of like this telefactoring concept Right, right. And how familiar are you with that? It sounds like you are familiar with it Yes, and also as a as a friend of kick green. You must be close to gary nullan and his work at least Um, what are your thoughts on on what he's doing and uh, his his his idea of this telefactoring thing seems to keep coming up So, uh, is that similar? Yeah, absolutely. I I agree gary. I think is is got it. Uh, I mean he's He's onto it. I mean, I think his Analogy is a just a bit different from what dia said, but I I think it's the same in our same realm Of of what this is and you know, I'm not a scientist and I'm not a doctor and I I'm not a psychologist Although I've obviously taken had to take some like my decorsions college, but I don't I don't fully understand A lot of things about that but uh, and I wish Uh, that I was had the ability to remote view And and do these things that other people could do what I just can't but I think I think that that The idea that gary has is is similar to what dia is saying about the thought transfer It's not just the the word the telepathy that that is being transferred But the whole pattern of the thought process is being now one Into the other that's a really interesting way to put it now. Could that be why gary suspects that they're coming through in these like, uh The what essentially these skill sets of whatever the person who's receiving these messages is most talented at What they're most skilled at what they're most apt at Whatever is maybe the reason why they're targeting that part because they it's the part that can understand the most amount of a complex message All at once, um That's very interesting Yeah, you're absolutely right. Absolutely right the skill set of the person Uh, is what yeah, I I agree with you on that and I think that's what gary is Is why he hit the home run with it is that he's he's uh, he's got right on he's right on with that and I think Yeah, tupac. Thanks a lot. Those are great questions. Thanks. Thanks for trying to move real quickly david and then I think, uh Were you next david? I believe Yes, I was Go for it Real quick. I wanted to touch on logan's question about the cataclysm and you can take this with a grain of salt because I was confused as anybody but Uh during my experiences that was communicated with me that it was that something like that might happen It may be coming it wouldn't wipe out everything Uh, and then in the event that that would happen there might be some kind of Noah's art kind of thing occur I don't know if that's manipulation or if that's true or what, you know, the whole thing's so confusing So just take that with a grain of salt and also to rick. I would just like to say thank you very much For your frankness and being so direct and open with these answers because my wife and I had uh dinner with a couple of people From intel and she was just super frustrated because nobody would just come out and directly say things So I appreciate that but uh, my question to you was I have spoken with john ramirez and whoever richard bud is And I have asked them Are abductees since that whole thing is so mysterious are they being spied on are they being surveyed? And both of them gave the same answer that it's illegal and they hope not And they just left it at that so are abductees being surveyed uh, secretively Well It depends of course, uh, if they if there's some kind of a a lawful investigation that was is occurring Where there was a consent? By the abductee Then yes, uh in my days we we would we would uh obtain consent And um, and then we we could we could do some wiretapping or surveillance now You understand there's there's a number of different types of of authorized surveillance is There's a court ordered and which means That any information that's gathered from it from the surveillance operation can be used against the person And then there's non non law enforcement surveillance Intelligence gathering surveillance So in that case, uh The person, uh Can be surveyed Tapped phone tapped And they'll never know it And none of the information that is gathered could ever be used against now. It's illegal But not unlawful And there's a difference there the government always has the way to do it now Do I believe that there's people out there that's being surveilled and and there's Phone taps because they're involved in this subject. Absolutely. Yes I'm not going to obviously but I know of cases Uh, and I you know, I don't have time here to discuss where we went out a bunch of us went out because this one person Claimed her phone was tapped because she was having almost nightly Contact with these ets and some entity within the government got wind of it and wanted The information and so they tapped. I mean everything. I mean they had pending registers. They had Candid taps they had All sorts of different types. I think six different types And we found him and there's nothing we could do about him because you know, they're not ours and we're not You know, we could just tell her you need to get an attorney And funny because after we found him, I mean we located and we didn't actually do anything with him I really think within 24 hours they were gone Yeah, well, I mean we probably don't want to have a time to go into the my lab discussion, but uh If you want to do a quick yes or no, I mean, is it is there highly plausible that Maybe obviously you're not involved in it. But have you heard about the my lab program? I mean is can you can you can you comment at all on that without getting into too much detail? I'm not gonna even touch that. Okay fair enough. That's fair enough. Okay. Let's go to the next day Daniel You've had your hand up for a long time Yeah, no problem. Uh, hey rick. It's good to hear from you again. We first met about three and a half years ago in laughlin And so I just had a quick question. So i'm finishing up a publication on the aurora legend of 1897 That's the story that deals with the ufo crash into the windmill and alien grave Just just wondering if you had any Thoughts on that um any strong impressions on if it was real if it was fake Or if you'd come across anything throughout your research Uh, I visited aurora back in actually while I was working with dr putoff That was one of the things of on on our agenda and we went out there Uh, we uh, we I gathered some Um rocks that had been um How should I say this? Um The the outer layer of this rock these rough small rocks Had been changed Somehow meticulously Uh, the had been changed and nobody really realized this Uh Right away eventually somebody did and thought these rocks were different and i'm not a geologist But and so I was tasked to go out there and get these rocks And and and some of the other things that they found one that one bile of these small little pieces of They they were metal they looked like uh tips of uh, or the the flat part of a nail that was somehow cut off And we brought them back to the lab and we had them analyzed and and I don't you know, I don't know that We could say they were et origin But we know that the rock was um subjected to great great heat That had actually burnt the out outer area Of of these rocks. So that's what I know about the aurora in the case Well, thank you for that because luce will go to luce and then back to taylor Right on right on. Yeah, I had I just had a quick question almost like a follow-up of what uh, tupacabra was asking about, um Basically, they kind of give certain messages to certain people with certain skill sets And to kind of follow up on that I was wondering is it only in the brain? I could say where you see changes or do you see changes in other parts of the body like the nervous system around muscular parts or things like that I wouldn't I couldn't answer that that doctor could but uh, no, I I don't I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't know right on just because from my understanding It feels like when I wake up after like a really bit of dream I have the motions Within my body still not just my brain, but also in my body like the muscular motions just a thought, you know That's that's interesting. That's that's really interesting Go ahead taylor. You're next. Thank you so, um, I had I had read somebody that somebody um had talked to these aliens and they were abducted and This was a wow back That the grace actually said that they were from mars But now like they're saying they're from elsewhere like the zeta reticulum um along with the collins elite analysis on the uh, UFO phenomenon Do you think that they are to be trusted these these beings? Good question I know that I know that the government trusted the evens, um The the the the the ones who crashed at roswell. I think we've had And then I I have a lot of information about that that that as far as that would lead up to something like the circle incident but uh establishing communications and so forth and so on but, um um, I That's that's about all I I could say about About them. Um quick quick follow-up rick and then we'll go to andre uh, yeah, I had I had one more Okay, one more honey. Go ahead. Um, so I was looking at the autopsy of the gray and it seems to be that they don't eat drink smell here talk Breathe or eliminate waste um, and the analysis uh conclusion was that they They somebody's analysis and in conclusion of this was that they seem to be a biological vessel for something to travel in Can you please speak on that? You know, that's very very very very interesting question because I was just talking With kit green about this, uh, you know last week when he was here, um No, I'm not I don't know that the particular uh species Of et's but there is one that that fits that perfect description that you talk about That the body is just the vessel that they travel in And it's not them. It's not really the the entity it the entity is entirely different But they just travel in that uh that uh vessel. Yeah, you you got that absolutely right I don't know where you got it from but you got it right So do you think these are spiritual in nature in any way? You know one of the questions that was asked Related to eba one or eba uh by his handler um, and and linda howl Knows a lot more about this than I do, but I'm just relating what I know Is that the one of the questions is dude does he believe in a In a your universal deity He he didn't understand the word god. He didn't understand that but His he acknowledged that yes They did worship, uh A universal deity something universal universe. Why uh, why? Uh, probably something similar to our god, but they don't call it a god So that's the only uh Spiritual relationship that I know between an et and us Thank you for those questions taylor. Uh real quick rick. Do you imagine that there might still be Some type of et race that is still having some sort of communication with people that are important in our world today You know, there's more evidence every day seems like almost every day. There's there's more evidence That would suggest That there's some type of cooperation between et's and us um And and you know, I Just don't have the time to go on. No problem. I just wanted to have give you the chance to say Thank you for that rick. Andre. Do you want to go ahead? Yes, sir. I just wanted to say two things. Yeah. Well, that's okay. Um two or three things and one is um Two of them are for actually all of these for it, but the first is thank you very much for being here Um, I'm so glad we get to hear from you and I don't want you to disappear quite yet If you can just try to address these really quickly. Um, and the first is more of a comment just because we were we were saying, you know Um, what's the nature of I think there's sometimes called container bodies? Um, and we know these are biological. Um, although as taylor was saying, I mean some of these may not be as much like us as um, maybe they appear I think that's just a an interesting area, but I'm reminded of the arlo song. Um, I think it's last train to glory You know, we are all just passengers on that last train to glory. So that'll quickly get into I don't know about religion But to me that's very spiritual because you know, I expect to die. I hope not tomorrow I hope not the next year, but eventually anybody that's in this room is going to die and I'm pretty sure I don't I don't know what the et is but they're going to die too So I like to think that part of this entire topic has to do with who we are Where we're from what we're doing here and how we get wherever it is that we're going and that'll get quickly back into That's not what I wanted to ask you rick, but it just has to do with uh with I lost my train of thought, but I guess, you know, it's it's a very spiritual matter You know, why are they here? Well, why are why are any of us here? And imagine that every single man woman and child on this planet? Um, even though we know it's a little different for us. Let's say that we knew that what when we die That's not an end. It there might be some dark days because you get to answer for what you've done while you're here But it just means that there is a journey and that You know, if they can travel that far and put on this temporary suit Well, I think that's a lesson for us. Although. I'm not sure it's a new lesson I just think we all have to be reminded that you know, the person you see in the mirror That's science tells you that's just the lowest densest frequencies and wavelength and that's not that's not who we are It just shows who we are and as we know human beings. We're very identified with May I say what's in the mirror and that's not who we are So, um, I just wanted to say that but rick the question for you is really quick And there's a follow-up and that is if the answer is yes If you can give me any indication that it is yes It's much I think the same as taylor asked and it has to do with Do you think we can trust them or do you have any more information? Simple question is to the best in your knowledge if you're allowed to say anything Do you think that there's any interaction with life on or from or representing the planet venus? No, I you know, I don't know any more than the fact that it would be quite But we couldn't survive on on venus, but perhaps Some other life form could survive on venus and I know that the russians And one of the russian scientists one of their crafts that landed on venus many years ago supposedly took a picture of something and then He he's now Saying that the government the soviet government because it was soviet government back then quickly confiscated those pictures And he thinks it seems to think that there was life on venus. So but I don't know that For a fact, but are you sure that wasn't focused or is it also focused? I think it was focused. Yeah. Yeah Well, one of the things that you mentioned what you wanted one of the interesting things that they asked eba was What he thought of death and it was he couldn't understand death Uh, and even when they showed him You know his his his crew members are dead No, he he couldn't understand him His and and that guest that linda had hollow had on like 15 years ago And when she was on coast to coast Said this better than i'm gonna say it But said that no um They didn't die their their vessels Uh are ceasing to exist But they moved on and and it was it done in a more perfect Way than I I can say it but so they there is I think and and I believe it myself that You know when death is in the end, it may be even just the beginning of of something But what's in the vessels like what's inside the vessels? Just just their uh biological uh uh time on this planet or in this universe and and then uh That that's the way they travel so to speak and then the the soul or the the I don't know if eba called it a soul, but This other we would call it a soul is going to move on after after our vessels or our bodies Cease to exist Amen Thank you for that rick We're gonna go to david but real quick uh interesting the other gentleman just brought up venus because I was just asking you today For all just going back in time real quick, uh val Thor because I I I got a chance to be in shasta and listen to a lot of people talking about val Thor And I asked you what you thought about val Thor. Can you repeat that because I thought that was pretty interesting Well, he's a far he was a fraud. I mean There's been window stevens the late window stevens um had wrote a Guy should probably a 200 page essay He tried it. I think he was going to do it and put it in a book About this guy and he went back and spoke to pentagon officials and The the guy was not from any planet It was he was proven to be a fraud um He he could speak languages He could he had a unique ability to speak some language languages, but The one language. I don't know if I brought this up to you eric But the one language that he was claiming to be the venetian language uh After he disappeared someplace and somebody had recorded that language They they passed it on to language experts And it was just a made up Made up language. It wasn't a real language. They I mean the experts Uh looked at it and it was pieces of different other Uh earth languages And so, okay.  You know, he he presented himself and there's and it's it goes back. I mean, there's a long Yeah, the history about there was this colonel uh With terrors, I can't remember the guy's name, but there was a air for army colonel that vouched for him and supposedly went out to some place and watched him Materialized or dematerialized or whatever. It's something to that effect and he vouched for him and and uh, uh, Thor was trying he was He was trying to sell himself. He did get money He did get some money from from the government and windows stevens had the actual document that One of the vouchers that showed Uh, so I don't remember how much money it was. It was like $5,000. But back then there was a lot of money So, uh, yeah Interesting That's crazy Yeah, so uh, so in other words, um, he could have been a spy.  Yeah I've certainly if I was around back in those days, uh, and I always Well, my dad's dead now, but I was just joke when we we would talk about this subject and I'd say You know, why didn't you catch him that guy as a spy? He could my dad was intelligence back in those days, but um, but yeah, that's that's he could have very well been a spy Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Right. Go ahead. David was parked on the side of lake meat. He said so lake meat's dry now So maybe we can find a spaceship That's right. Yeah, yeah By the way, I read a hi read if you want to come in and speak I'd love it I'd love it, but go ahead. Uh, you're next David Uh, yeah, real quick to uh, andrew and taylor's points that they made about can you trust them? Uh, first I think it's clear that there's multiple beings So you have to be real specific when you say them and I assume you mean whoever's abducting And from my experience and you don't have to believe me but take it with a grand salt But uh, their will is greater than ours and their mind and whatever they're doing is necessary And they are not entirely forthcoming. So I would say no you cannot trust them at face value So they're either protecting us from certain information. There's a communication barrier or they're up to something So if you ever encounter them ask questions, um, but my question for rick is You know, it's pretty clear that Roswell happened And you know, there is proof of that I would assume still somewhere And will this current disclosure movement headed up by lu melin, etc Will they address the beings and if so, when? That's a question for them that because i'm not involved with them at all. Um And whether they will try that I don't think they will Um, the you know I like I said, I had six different meetings In person and and I don't know how many signal meetings Over over the internet with with congress congressional Uh, either their age or investigators or with the congressmen or the senators themselves I had face to face with uh, marco rubio several times and he's he's for a full disclosure, but he realizes that Nobody's going to get a full disclosure because in order to do that, they're going to have to release Uh scientific and and technical information that we got from the et's that they don't want You know, we don't want the russians to know and we don't know what the russians Well, we do know some of some of the things the russians have but um, so I don't know I don't think it's going to be historical. I don't think they're going to go back and and uh Look at what happened at roswell or at You know at kingman or at some of these other crash sites or even talk about this Whether serpal's real or not. I mean, there's I mean, that's another another for another day Okay, no, we were ricks probably getting tired. Are there any other questions and we'll try to get in and what we can And then uh, it's probably about midnight at ricks place. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it I appreciate it very much too. No problem. No problem. What about the brazil crash? You know the uh games fox movie is coming out pretty. Oh great. Hold on. Let me uh, Great question. I've written rick uh, you ready you you investigated that Yeah, in fact, I went down there. Um Yeah, we did um, and I just I just was down there in april I spent three weeks down there in april of this year I was there in uh 2018 too for uh You know What week or 10 days or so? Uh, yeah, I'd say it's a fascinating Case that is as realistic as can be. I mean that's that It happened. Um, there's so much evidence Um that it happened So, uh There's um The um The witnesses, of course, are now older. Um You know because the incident happened in 19 set in 1996 And What's the case in that name? Yeah, it's uh, it's vargina. V a r g i n H a I believe Uh v v a r Yeah, that's right. I just want to make sure. Yeah, I think it's spelled that V a r g Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I'm sure and the um, uh, the witnesses are are as as uh Well two of our dead the police chief has died But but all the other witnesses are still there And uh, you know, they the the photographs the military, uh How the military treated it, uh It's as realistic And we just wished Um We have gotten there Um the air force united states air force got there immediately They did get there later but, um If if if if you know if the united states air force got there because the united states air force Would have done a better investigation immediate investigation Because they were they're more equipped and more organized Uh than the brazilian. I didn't say the brazilian did a horrible job But they had they held, uh, the their inquiry was limited. It was it had to go through so many different levels Uh that that that it just came out wrong So, uh, yeah, it's it's it's going to be a it's a fantastic, uh Movie. I mean and and I you know, we went down there to to film something else We got we did a doc documentary, uh in that we Uh finished we started twenty two went down there this year um And we we did a lot of filming but uh, yeah, that's a kid that case is uh In mind boggling Thank you for that rick matt. Do you want to ask a question? Yeah, just a quick one. Um with the eba, how do we How do Where do where were you getting your information about the communications with the eba? Is that personal belief or is there like some some some heuristics that we can use to uh Like is it just we're going to take that face value or what? You mean eba one Yes, yes Yeah, I wouldn't know Eba one had a handler the day that he Two days after he they they transferred him from from Uh, uh, Kirtland filled to Los Alamos Uh, he was given an air force an air force handler uh air force captain And now Linda Howell has a plethora of information about the air force captain she interviewed him Of course, he's long dead now, but she interviewed him back in in in 80 84 82 84 time frame. He was still alive, obviously um He he really he relayed that information and I The information i'm giving you is what I was briefed in the in the uh in my briefing about eba one and and and how they treated him and and what information eventually Uh, he was given so Uh, and and now there's there's a lot of other information out there that I don't I can't I can't cooperate because I only know what I Was given now linda howell has like I said a lot more information about the subject if you go back uh years, uh She has programs Uh relating to this subject and How he was treated and because she actually interviewed that handling a Officer the captain. I never did. I never had any contact with him. Thank you for that rick. Uh, dale. You got a question Uh, yeah, look, um richard. I know you may not understand anything about this or have even heard the theory before but um There's a guy named patrick jackson who? Um gary nolan takes him very seriously. I think they're exchanging information Um, so he's working with the best people as as far as I understand He has this theory that there is a an ancient ai controlled system of spheres or metallic orbs all around the planet underground and they are the Main thing which takes down extraterrestrial craft Have you ever heard anything like that about the spears or the global defense network? Which uh takes down the um the Hostile or the negative et craft which come into our atmosphere. I just don't know if you've ever heard that one Yeah, I I've heard I just came back from uh, I did a presentation at the um Awakening event at blackpool uk uh in june and um There was this there was a person there Um that talks about this subject. I mean, I don't know anything personal about it I just know what she we sat at a table and she uh talked to me about it And she has she's in a belief that these things these spheres and these uh lines of of protection are up there Uh, that's so that that's the only Knowledge I have of of that of what you just asked. I don't know anything officially from the government Did you have a follow-up bill? Otherwise, we'll go to andre or andrew No, I'm done. Thanks Okay, real quick andrew then michelle just popped in and she hasn't had a chance to ask a question yet Okay, I apologize if this is a repeat. Um, I was thinking this was asked earlier So I don't remember if you answered it and what the answer was I I lose track sometimes But the the question is um, is there any evidence these are coming from outer space? Thank you very much Okay If there is there any evidence that that is what they're coming from outer space, which you did say earlier that they are Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah One of the things that what was been released some some time ago And it's is out there on the internet is the nat nsa's deep space probes We have probes throughout the solar system And they monitor traffic space objects And so we know Uh, we we've had them For for many years They've been launched by the space shuttle so We know that There are visitors that come in and out of our of our solar system and out of our atmosphere That's one of the things that president reagan was briefed on in 1981 when he took office And I don't know the guy that briefed him and that person is still alive. He shows up almost every ufo convention um, he Pres it's scared Reagan so much And and not just the fact that they're coming and going Uh, it's because of a hostile event that occurred that The president says we need to defend earth and that's Actually the beginning of the strategic defense initiative or star wars program Is it rick real quick follow-up? Do you think it's likely that with the advancement in the camera systems? And so on and so forth that if if we do have probes up there that there's a good chance that And we're spotting them with we might even be able to take pictures of them and see them up close I mean, can you imagine that's a reality? Well, there's a story um Well, I I don't have a lot of detail. I don't have time to talk about it, but there's a story Uh About voyager one and voyager two Uh, and then this person turned me on to this I I I didn't know about this before And so I went ahead and I did a lot of research on voyager one and voyager two And I downloaded these documents by analyzing The mission of voyager one and voyager two other initial mission to explore You know Jupiter and Saturn and and take pictures of Neptune Before it left the solar system in the 80s And I read these documents is that this guy told me to read And lo and behold in these documents says That there was two secret missions for voyager one and voyager two and they were launched in 1977 And one of them was tried to take a picture of something that we knew was out there And voyager one Had a camera special camera on board that NASA would refuse because I did a FOIA request through NASA They refused to even acknowledge this but anyways supposedly there was a camera And it took a picture of of a a real close picture of an et craft and was even the even We're able to photograph in the interior of the craft. It got that close So and now if you if you get these documents that I have right in front of me here these trw analysis of voyager one or voyager two it doesn't say that in there, but it says that it has other secret missions now when NASA won't publicize that They won't publicize any other pictures And when I talk I actually talked to one of nasa for you guys over the phone He said, uh, where are you getting that when I told him, you know the document at trw He said we have to go to the contractor. That's trw. They don't even exist anymore But that they were our contractors if they had that information. They probably kept it. We wouldn't have it So plausible deniability a wonderful thing michael or michelle go ahead Hi, everyone. Um, look wow, that's a lot to kind of process and thank you so much for all the insight that you've given The question that I've got is um, one around The eb and did it sleep? Did it dream when you talked about them having completely different sort of Makeups that that just seemed really curious to me for some tidbits that we've been fed along the way. Thank you Well I always get these questions, you know, do do the aliens They eat did they sleep And do they dream? Uh, do they go to the bathroom? What do they do in their off time? You know, I I don't know. I'm I'm not in a position to ever be at those facility at anx Uh, uh, s2 annex, uh in in near pat poose lake Um, I'm sure they're They have some way of occupying themselves. I don't know. I know some eat They have to have specialized food Um, I know one particular Species and I did a whole episode on this and I had science. I had some doctors involved in this I did this at the Gaia. There's one particular species that Feeds itself. They they self generate food within their bodies And they have a little pouch on the side and the pouch excretes a like a ball a little a little smaller than a golf ball And it would put it in its mouth and it would recycle everything the body was Totally recycling everything the only thing it required now ironically This is quite ironic too Ironically every single one of these five species that I that I know about require water Now water is a universal item in the universe They do require water That is that is remarkable to me That they you know that they come from a different planet, but And and they'd have different food and breathe different atmospheres and so forth But they still require a liquid water Well, thank you for that rick david. You got a question Um, yeah, just real quick. I want to say that uh, I'm a proponent of like respecting people until they give me a reason not to And I I really appreciate everything you're saying here But I was reading through the comments on this particular space and there's an account called unknown secrets It's a documentary filmmaker and he's essentially just You know saying that you're absolutely full of it and this is just all Lies and he's interviewed people and so I know you've been asked this question a million times And that's why I prefaced it with saying that I do respect you and I'm not out to get you but Um, I saw that and I want to know what your thoughts on that are since he's in this space and so are you You know, I I get uh Ever since I came out back in the 90s Early night when I started going to UFO conventions in the 90s um I get this, you know, you're full of bull. Uh, you saw this information Uh, none of this another way you'd set is truthful. And then when I you know, I used to Uh, argue, uh, debate show documents show Uh, things that I did my inter control badges in the area 51 and things like that I and then after a while I thought, you know, why you believe whatever you want to believe You don't want to believe me. Don't believe me. Don't listen to me. Turn me off But everything I say is factual Uh, number one, I wouldn't have been hired at the institute for advanced studies in holy A prestigious security clearance through a contracting program Uh, if if I was full of bull and number two Gaia Pretty prestigious A company that I work for They did a more expensive and extensive background investigation that I think any other Entity ever did on me Even polygraph examinations So they can think whatever they want to think I don't debate anymore They want don't want to believe me. Well, don't listen to me and go someplace else Yeah David, uh, you go ahead and then I want to make a comment real quick Well, I just want to say that, uh, I'm not out to get you and and I really again, I appreciate you I respect people till they give me a reason not to and I have no reason not to But he bailed as soon as I brought that up he left and he was registered as a speaker So he could have had the chance to address that himself and y'all could have had that discussion But he bailed and that's well, you know, volumes to me Chris melan And just, you know, not long ago Said some wonderful things about my past service Colonel Richard law who was Was my um Was a commander within intelligence osi Uh vouched for me in a UFO convention in in 1999 And of course people don't you know don't go and don't know all this stuff, but You know, and I don't listen I mean what if they don't want to listen to me and I call me this that's fine. I get I used to get a lot of really really derogatory hate mail email and email Oh, even before email some some mail, but It's really it's really gone down over the years. I I still get some I have a critic And him and I are are really good friends He's a very uh, he's probably one of the best critics you could ever have. He's he's a retired priest He doesn't he doesn't believe In any of this But we became friends. He was he went he goes to UFO conventions just to listen to it He for more or less entertainment. He's a retired priest Uh, but ironically he told me a story and I got to get this in Uh, that he went to uh during his younger days of being a priest He he got to go to the Vatican to the Vatican the Vatican for three years And during his time he was given Uh, uh projects to do and one of the projects that he was working on was um, um Possessions People being demonic possessions and he was writing a paper on it and he had access to the Vatican library And he was down here one day working and and he had Access to everything So he saw this one hallway And so he went down this hallway To see if he if any of these items that he was looking for in particular books Ancient books were there he got down to the end and there's two swiss guards there And he said I need to go in there and the Swiss guard said no you can't go in here He said no, I got a pass to go anywhere. He says you can't go in here So he said okay, so he so he goes back up and he he goes to his mom's senior his more or less his boss And said, you know, I was trying to get down a hallway down in the in the library area the And that again and and the two Swiss guard stopped me and told me I couldn't get in there What's in there and the Monsignor told him The things in there are the things that the catholic Priests know exists, but don't want to admit it. I mean the catholic church knows exists But don't want to admit it And he said well, what the could that be? He said, what do you think? and so He'd never really me didn't know he came back and he was a priest for 50 some years in a small community in New Mexico and and you know, he he's retired now, but I asked him. I said, don't you think they had something to do with the ufo? He says, yeah, maybe maybe it did But he's he's a really nice. I get nice emails from him, but he's a critic He just he said I don't believe much of what you say, but you certainly say it with passion Okay, before we go to you Dale. I just want to make a comment that I'm looking through the room here. I don't know most of the people in there Although my one of my best friends Rita's here and Rob I've got a chance to meet Rob several years ago and interviewed him, but They know my character and I A lot of people were shocked when I became friends with Rick Doty They thought what are you doing? Are you joining the CIA or what? But the reality was is, uh, you know I took a lot of time and we we we don't talk all the time, but you know, I've got a chance to Observe and listen and and build trust with him and and I believe in his sincerity And if I didn't believe in him, there's no way I would have asked him to come on A spaces or even encourage him to get on twitter because then If if I thought he was lying or pulling anyone's leg and then later on it came out that he was in my credibility Goes out the window. I'm off twitter. I'm bye-bye, but I wouldn't risk that so I'm just I'm just saying this because I believe in Rick Doty. He knows I believe in him. Let's go to Dale. I just wanted to say that real quick Go ahead Dale Hold on. Hold on like yeah, he can't be held like People will believe him or not believe him. It's not upon him or anybody People got to decide whether they want to believe it or not at the end of the day That's true. Yeah Look, I'm loving this space. So, you know, thanks so much for for telling us. So perhaps I can connect a dot for you, Richard and that is What uh, john c lily In his book the scientist he claimed that he had a certain revelation about All biological entities needed water because that was the thing you said they all need water and he he He posited a theory in his book the scientist He claims he even went to tell the pentagon about it He was so concerned when he had the revelation that essentially the extraterrestrials are one of the two Life forms that are dominant in this reality One is the water-based life form and they share that with us the extraterrestrials do of all types The secondary type he called solid state intelligence, which he regarded as More abundant in the universe. So solid state intelligence like a like an ai I guess or a life form which might evolve in A mineral or a crystal and then learn to communicate with other crystals or even other forms of life So, yeah, it's just in john c lily's book. He mentioned that water-based life forms extraterrestrials are in some ways part of our Universal family. That's the one thing and and apparently we are the minority. It's the solid state beings who are Far more prevalent in the universe and they don't really have that much use for us except occasionally Anyway, that was john c lily's theory. I thought I'd share it Well, I I I heard that I heard that theory Uh, maybe from him. I I I've I've heard that theory before Uh, I can't remember where Was that a UFO convention? I think it was in germany. Uh, some years ago. We had one in v spotten and uh, and I was there and um I'm not sure what was the presentation or what but but I went along the lines of what you just mentioned. Uh, and that there was more um AI type of intelligence Uh, then there are biological intelligence in the universe And and this is of course, it's obviously a theory And I think there was a there was a scientist that that worked at the institute for jane studies with us When uh with pal how put off Uh, a guy passed away some years ago. Uh, but he he had the same idea, you know, his He was a um Biola, uh What was he? He was a scientist, but he was a Biophysicist. I think he was a biophysicist. He says We have plants Uh on earth Right now They're probably smarter than some human beings And he said, can you imagine? If those plants Develop more intelligence In the next million years on earth what they would be like He said now transfer that thought to a planet That has plants like we have Here on earth that is that's in the goalie locks area of their the solar system And there's been Alive because we're we're relatively new in in in the universe so to speak That's been around for a million years. You imagine how Intelligence those plants would be and that's something I started thinking about But that's an interesting great story rick our lady. You have a question Yeah, hey, what's up? I was just wondering Um So dodie, are you not bound by an nda? Why are you allowed to say all of these things when no one else is allowed to Talk about any of this? Thanks Well, I did I was I left government service in 1988 My nda expired Uh, so I I can talk about Uh What I what I feel I can talk about I certainly don't Talk about everything that I can talk about. I know what to talk about and what not to talk about So, how do you know what to talk about and what not to talk about? And also, um, can I ask when did your nda expire? nda expired in 1998 and what what I well number one I know what I did During my time in I know what I had access to Uh, I know what would be Uh, detrimental to some people's Uh, psyche if I was to to bring some things forward that I had You're worried about what's dent detrimental to people's psyche. Let me ask you this. Um, so is a lot of this information coming You know post your government work and this is just things that you've gleaned I didn't get it. No, I didn't get it. I didn't get that Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not muted. Sorry about that. Someone muted me, but I was just wondering if this is your own personal research Or is this through You know the government work that you're getting all this information Well, a lot of the information and that that I that I'm bringing out Have brought out since 1998 Is uh, what I worked on, uh, and then a lot of it is what I gathered Uh, researched and obtained during, uh After my uh after I left through, uh the government service Okay, we're gonna Five alien species is that from government work or personal research? That's government. That's government When when when when I was briefed there was only five government there was only five et uh Creatures that I that I was briefed on now I understand Now there could be a thousand or even more maybe a million I know people have written books to saying that there's you know thousands of well, I don't know about that I'm just telling you what I what I had access to I have no idea Uh, what the government has right now in their files Yeah, our lady. I appreciate all your questions and they're excellent questions, but we need to move on to mr. Norris I'm sorry Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that and thank you rick for being here I had a question regard to um and and um in regard to whistleblowers so my uh interest in the phenomenon came when uh through you know through whistleblowers and one of the one of the people I you know I deeply listen to and you know respect has been phil schneider And bill cooper. I don't know if you're familiar with that and if there's you know, there's a lot of stuff on y