I thought today I would like to speak to you about a word and a concept and an experience and a season of life called Transition. Everybody say Transition. Transition. Say it again. Transition. One more time. Transition. Alright, I'm not making you say to treat you like children at all. I just think when someone's teaching about a word that is not in your daily vocabulary saying it three times is the most you'll probably say it this year. So to hear yourself say a word you don't normally use connects you in a fast track way to get on the same page with me in the 37 minutes we have left, especially if it's a word and a concept that's unfamiliar to you or when you say the word things come to your mind that are not helpful or nothing comes to your mind which is why I'm here. Your church has been through a transition in its leadership recently. Ours as I mentioned a moment ago went through a huge transition after 32 years of pastoring and of course Michael and Kathy here pastoring for decades too. All leadership transitions that are of that nature whether it be in government or in the corporate world or in any arena where it is the passing on of a baton to the next generation of leaders by and large historically it's never done well for all kinds of reasons that are complicated so because it's never done well and it still doesn't seem to be done well and it's often not done well especially in the church world it's kind of worthy of our attention now and then I think to talk about it and see what we can learn and see how we can add our voice to doing it better on our watch because though you may not be the people that are in charge of something and so you can't relate to an analogy about a senior pastor passing something over to the emerging leadership or you can't relate to the leader of some political party or the corporate handing something over all of you, all of us are experiencing transition on a daily basis so you're all included in this talk in case you're thinking well this doesn't apply to me because it's about leadership and so on all of us as humans from the day we are born well from before we're born from getting out of the womb into the world you have a transition experience in fact there's a point in birth midwives will tell you there's a point in birth called the point of transition when the baby is in the birth canal and it's at the point of no return it can't go back it can only go forward and forward isn't appealing the baby's like who me through there I don't think so and after all this has been nine months of perfection I've had free food free drink transportation comfort no drama no responsibility why in the world would anybody throw me out of here that's typical of what we all feel about transition what is wrong with this place why would we change any of this is what you first felt when you were born and so that transition that you were in and again midwives tell us that typically in transition in the moment of transition in birth and you mothers know this so forgive me if this is triggering for you that point in birth where it's so much pain and agony and only you can experience that in the way that you do and in that room where a baby's been born there are three players that is the mother the midwife and the baby and if you interviewed them all there are a very different story to tell the baby would say what is going on what is wrong with you people doing this to me the baby feels crushed and squeezed and abused and hurt and misunderstood and not been taken care of the mother is in just pain and just wants the pain to end and get it over with and so the mother and the baby predominantly are in distress in that scenario the only one that's calm, cool and collected is the midwife and the problem is in transitions we have an abundance of babies and mothers and we have a famine of midwives so what happens is it all finishes up defaulting to panic and pain and misunderstanding and anger and aggression and confrontation because the people that tend to have the largest voice in transition are the ones in most pain so what we have to try to redeem in transitions is we have to get a calm head on it which in the you know birthing sweet analogy is the midwife because she's seen it all before there's nothing she hasn't seen everything that happens was expected they have backup plans for anything that might be randomly unexpected and they've done it millions of times and so I think those three figures you have to decide in your own personal transition as well as any other persons you're involved in what do you bring to the table because honestly when you're in transition and I'm the baby I'm the one going through the transition I don't need another baby talking to me or if I'm the mother in pain I don't need another mother swapping pain stories with me you think yours is bad let me tell you about what I'm going through but misery loves company and we do find each other and so I want the midwives to find the midwives swap stories so in my own transitions in life and yours too I want to appeal to you to move more towards the space of this overview the midwife the midwife version of transition is like sending up a drone and you're looking down on it on the room from a drone perspective and you can see all the players you can anticipate what's coming you can see cause and effect and be ahead of the curve because you have a drone and every one of you have an inbuilt drone in your humanity it's called self-awareness but the problem is with self-awareness statistically and I think it's true from my own life and experience of thousands and thousands of people over the years that I and many of you are aware of and have helped and listened to and read of and so on 90% statistically of humans have little to zero self-awareness and yet self-awareness is perhaps one of the top of human superpowers it is the original form of consciousness Adam and Eve had so if you were to look at a perfect kind of consciousness before the fall of man it would be self-awareness self-consciousness came in through sin and they began to cover themselves up there was no awareness of nakedness there was no shame, no guilt there was no self-consciousness until sin brought that level of consciousness and right to that all we had, all Adam and Eve had was beautiful self-awareness and so with self-awareness transition gets easier but because most don't have it I want to see as much of it in the room today unless you put it there unless you work on it unless you commit to accessing that's there for you all and self-awareness is going to really help in all of this so bear that in mind as we talk and I can't talk in everything I'm throwing out these little thoughts so that you might go away and read something about self-awareness and think I could do that in my life if it would help me in this model I'm going through at the moment I'm going to read a scripture to you and this scripture is the best thing I've ever read that describes sums up illustration metaphorically of transition it's from Ezra 3 verse 11 to 13 and it says this and all the people gave a great praise to the Lord because the foundation of the house of the Lord was laid but many of the older priests and Levites and family heads who had seen the former temple wept out loud when they saw the foundation of this temple being laid while many others shouted for joy and this sums up transition perfectly here no one could distinguish the sound of the shouts of joy from the sound of weeping because the people made so much noise and the sound was heard far away I think it's a brilliant description of what I'm trying to introduce you to around this idea of transition transition is this mixture of joy and tears it is a it is a chaotic blend of yes and no it is a mixture of I love this and I hate this it is a combination of excitement and apprehension it's a combination of this is about time and this is too early it's a combination of dreams and memories it's difficult to separate out which of these two things is in play on any given day in any moment in that day because all of these contrasting tensions are in you not just in what's happening structurally or practically it's in you as a human being and we all experience these things I'm listing and many more both personally and corporately so to put that to you that way it should give you a heads up the transition which you are all experiencing in life all the time some are micro transitions and you kind of adjusting and tweaking your life as you go because something right now in your life is asking you to change something and adjust something so we constantly doing that to some degree but bigger transitions that are to do with big changes in your life normally have these things more stand out than the ones that are more micro and because as I said earlier transitions aren't normally done well I thought the best way I could bring you into it today is to break it into three parts there are three primary parts to transition whether it be personal and corporate though it's always personal the three stages to transition are best pictured if you think of the metamorphosis from the caterpillar to the butterfly as a caterpillar transitions to a butterfly it starts as the caterpillar then there's the cocoon stage then there's the outcome that the caterpillar wanted of the butterfly so there's the past the caterpillar there's the present the cocoon and there's the butterfly the future and between the past the caterpillar and the future the butterfly is change transformation renewal upgrade reinvention transition transition I've often called like a fifth season we know about winter spring summer and fall we know about those four seasons and we know how to behave and dress and drive change our lives around seasons and that's good and we survive that way and we navigate that and we know how to stay warm and keep cool depending on what season we're in but all those seasons metaphorically are in your human experience too we experience in our human experience winter spring summer and fall but there is a season between seasons called the season of transition that we have no language for we have no navigational tools for there's no GPS for it and that's why more people are lost in transitions than are lost in the worst winter because at least if it's a severe winter you still know how to survive winter because it's winter but because we don't know what transition looks or feels like or how we are to behave or what do we wear or how do we respond and who are we in transition because we are completely disoriented like the baby in the birth canal we don't know what to do in transition and so what we tend to do is run back to where we came from because where we came from is safe, is predictable there's a degree of certainty and comfort in that and one of the reasons why transitions often aren't done well is because the people that need to move forward and transition to a new day and experience find it so painful that they go back and history isn't kind to people that go back generally now in the Bible you generally don't hear the names mentioned again of people that went back because there's nothing back there and there's no judgment in this by the way you know that from me I'm not waving a finger at any of you today that have gone back recently because you can always keep moving you can go back for a while but that's okay I'm here today to say I get that I have gone back in my life I've gone back into mindsets I've gone back into cultures I've gone back into relationships that I felt there's comfort in that I'm going to stay here I don't want to deal with all the disruption of going forward so I get going back as appealing you just realise eventually I can't stay here I can't stay in that womb I can't stay in that version of me that's the transition of us if it's a corporate analogy so the season between seasons the season of transition has no guidance for us and that's why I think it's worthy of our attention I don't think change is what takes people out I think it's the transition needed to change that takes us out I think we all realise that changes are given and so we welcome change I suppose yes we need to change yes we believe in change until change is required of us and what takes us out isn't so much we don't want to change we do want to change we do want to grow but no one told us it's going to involve that it's like I want to be there but I don't want to go through this to get there what the hell is this is what we feel and the truth is this if we don't figure that out we can stay a long time in transition like 40 years hello you know the direct line from Egypt to Canaan was about a month's walk it's 40 years and whether it's a month or 40 years God does not decide that we're writing that really and what happened with the Israelites is they got stuck in transition and died in transition so there's a life less of millions of people if we wanted one that's a good analogy for transition go home and read about what happens when you stay in a place that wasn't meant to be stayed in it was meant to be journeyed through transitions like a hallway in your house it is a space and a room between rooms but people don't put furniture in their hallways and TVs and sofas and live there it's a transitional space a corridor is a transitional space and when you step into a transition it's a hallway, it's an adjoining space it's not to be lived in and when you park up in transition everything about it feels squeezed and uncomfortable and unfamiliar and inappropriate because you weren't supposed to stay there and I get it because of these three stages Caterpillar cocoon butterfly it's the cocoon that's the killer because a caterpillar is a caterpillar we can see what it is a butterfly is a butterfly we can see what that is but what is this thing in the middle if you've seen a cocoon if you haven't seen one for a while Google it when you get chance don't do it now because that would be rude and you can which is brilliant you can think normally I'd have an image on here on screen to show you that but you can picture a cocoon so when the cocoon is fully formed there's nothing to see that's recognizable you can't say that's a caterpillar or a butterfly it's neither but what's happening inside the cocoon is what I want you to be aware of to let you know that I know what you are going through and what we go through in transition and let you know that God knows what you go through in transition because inside the cocoon what you will not see if you cut it open and look at it what you will not see if it ultrasound scan it what you will not see is a caterpillar with wings in other words you think ah I get it that's what it was and you think ok I get it it's a matter of time close it up nothing to see here all good no no if you cut open a cocoon what you will see can best be described as caterpillar soup what the caterpillar was no longer exists in the cocoon literally the caterpillar's body liquefies literally it liquefies the cocoon are what's called imaginal discs imaginal discs they're disc shaped DNA literally they're called imaginal discs and these imaginal discs carry the code for what's next they carry the code for the butterfly but they don't look like a butterfly it's a soup so in order for the caterpillar to change in order for you and I to change for our churches to change our businesses to change in order for us to change we have to go into a cocoon phase and the cocoon is characterised by loneliness and isolation and fear and anger and frustration and disorientation and disruption and sleepless nights and prescription medication I'm serious and the cocoon could also include drinking and drugs and abusive behaviour and poor choices in the cocoon no judgement here I'm just explaining to you I get it I want you to get it and be kind to yourself if you don't want today be nice to yourself and get it in that cocoon what the caterpillar has to do to become a butterfly is it has to commit identity suicide which is not a nice thing to say let alone experience doesn't it the caterpillar has to surrender its identity to a soup it has to be willing to give up its identity its shape and form and function and behaviour it has to give up everything familiar to it and to us that observe it it has to let all of that go it has to disappear into oblivion because you can't see it in that cave in that cocoon in that dark place it goes into there and literally it surrenders itself into liquid but it knows and I want to say to you you know I know you don't think you know but there's a part of you that knows that in that dark place something new is emerging I know it's hard to believe that don't clap I've got time I know it's hard to believe that because if something new is emerging it's only valuable to speak about that usually if we can describe it point to it name to it I can see the butterfly I can see the antennae but the pain of transition is that you know that something is happening inside you but it is not formed enough yet to be the next thing and this can go on by the way for a long time the cocoon typically is about three weeks but it could be three months, three years 40 years in the wilderness so this time doesn't pass quickly and the longer you feel that you're in this sense of melt down from who you were and not yet knowing who you're becoming it's scary transition is letting go of what's in this hand that you've known while reaching around with this hand for something else that's not coming yet and transition is about having nothing to hide the hand for a while that's scary it's that I'm not this anymore but what else am I then and this is why I've often said to people in transition because one of the things I learned about my transitions has been that transition is not to do with function and role and job and place and money and what I'm going to do next isn't to do with doing is to do with becoming and being and so it allows me to say to you what I mean by that is the next thing in our lives always comes out of the next you who you are becoming should determine what you are going to be doing and what happens in transition is because we don't understand I have to melt down who I've been to let that go that attachment to that identity or my ego attachment to it or my security I got from it or my friends that gathered around that version of me or my mindsets that were gathered around that version of me all that that version of me built and achieved all the relationships that version of me built I'm going to be willing to let all of that go in order to move through the next version of me and whatever is destined to travel with me whatever is a perennial plant not an annual plant but a perennial whatever is a perennial thing in my life it's going to be with me in the next phase I don't need to worry about that when I emerge through the cocoon whatever is to be kept will stay with me whatever was to be lost and we need to let that be lost by the meltdown in between and the cocoon is about you and I letting go of our attachment to an old version of us because we don't believe a better one could ever be possible especially people that and this is the problem with Transition the people that the people that knew the old you for years this was my problem pastoring the people that had been in the church with me for you know I don't know 10 plus years and some 20 years the people that were used to an old version of me when I began to Transition and transform to a new version of me they were the ones who struggled the most I mean I was struggling the most but they were struggling watching me reinvent and so many conversations I had that were taking me back to the caterpillar me that I had no interest in anymore and some of you can know what I'm talking about here because you're going through it right now where you are involved in conversations with people who you used to talk that stuff with but you've moved on and you kind of think I don't I don't put it up bump into him or her because every time it's the talk I get into every time within seconds it's a conversation about stuff I'm not interested in it anymore but they haven't moved on and upgraded and so they just assume that you're the same person and how do you say to someone I'm not there anymore I'm moved I left town I used to be that but I'm not anymore I don't say that briefly and kindly it's difficult isn't it so you have to ghost people you have to sort of go dark in the hope they don't track you down anymore because you realize that when you bump into them even that five minutes is so freaking uncomfortable because they've parked upon an old version of you and you're going through that cocoon becoming a new version and the thing is people that remember you how you were don't want that you to change because they love that version of you and you used to love that version of you but now you don't anymore and this is why most people don't survive transition and most people go back because they're dragged back by the caterpillar crowd and I've got to tell you in nature and in life there's not a lot in common between an earth bound caterpillar and a beautiful butterfly they don't hang around together even though they shared a common history they don't hang out together they have completely now different trajectories in life different possibilities and potentials become options to them so when you meet an old caterpillar and you don't know a butterfly I've got to tell you it's more painful the more butterfly you become the more difficult it is to be around a caterpillar people because they can see you coming a mile off now it's now getting more and more obvious that you are not that person and this is particularly difficult by the way if it's your spouse your kids your relatives the closest people to you that's particularly difficult because these are people you love and who are not usually optional in your life so it's more difficult when you're doing life with people closely who also don't understand the nature of your transition and so that gets more nuanced and complex as this thing goes by you all okay? a few more minutes then I'll get out of your way now add in to all of this a pandemic pandemic what? pandemic was an enforced transition for lots of us and lots of organizations because it created the loss of so many things that in many ways was a good thing because I think many of us would have clung on to things the pandemic took from us so the pandemic forced an accelerated sense of reinvention for many people and organizations so I think generally I'm seeing that as a good thing but when you are going through a transition as your church was and many organizations were and then on top of that you throw in lockdown and the pandemic and all of that stuff that none of us had any GPS for when you add that into it then the transition feels all the more dramatic and falsely exaggerated because of the other circumstances that you have no control over that happen to be going on at the same time it's amazing what's going on at the same time as anything in your life affects your life but it's nothing to do with you like a war in the Ukraine or a change in the economy or something that happens in the world like the death of our Queen everything just went on hold no more news on our TV shows for a whole week except the Queen I don't know if you got much of that feed over here but my point is and bank holidays declared on the day of the funeral well if that was the day you were planning something significant in your business or your life or your church they don't care so all these curve balls come in and exacerbate the pain often and add to the confusion often of a pandemic and that happens so many times and you have to separate out all of that and if you don't it all feels worse than it really is when the external circumstances mesh with what you're going through then throw into that a midlife crisis like I went through I transitioned out of my church in my early 50s after 30 years as a sort of pastoring so I'm entering my midlife and you know this midlife crisis language you've all heard the term I wish I wish midlife crisis was a crisis I wish it was that simple the word crisis suggests there's a solution it can be fixed so the word crisis is misleading it's not a crisis it's an unraveling let's call it what it is it's midlife unraveling which is more cocoon territory than problem solving territory and I feel that for me I'm coming into my midlife I'm dealing with a lot of questions anyway about who am I becoming what do I want to do with the second half of my life and that's personal to me and to many of you that are in that stage of life that are going through transitions in your life and family and workplace and your health and everything else you get to this midpoint in life it's a natural part of our humanity it's nothing to do with spirituality or Christianity it's a human experience and so that's going on too often for us our generation that are handing over things to the emerging generation we are dealing with stuff there's nothing to do with the kids we're dealing with stuff in us and we're processing things in us that are huge but often we don't know how to articulate that or don't know how much of that is contaminating this other thing that's in the mix too and I realize that for me wanting to figure out what do I do next and what do I do next according to who I'm becoming what is my butterfly me capable of what should the butterfly me be doing who do I speak to where do I go how do I make a living how do I pay the bills how do I stay fulfilled into my old age I've done this for 30 years where those questions didn't by and large come up every day some days they did but generally now I'm letting go of all of that certainty and I'm struggling with uncertainty and I'm struggling with what does this all look like does anybody have a map and it goes others can tell you what they did but they're not you and so that's helpful and a comfort but it's not you and that's why transition has to be dealt with so nuanced it's so forensically different for all of us is how we experience transition and I knew that I had to be willing to let go of being threatened by the foundation of the new temple being laid by new ideas when I you know stepped down and transitioned I said to my kids look it's kind of tag your it I'm gone I'm not one of these guys which has been a good thing for me actually looking back I'm one of these people that sits around back seat driving of you know make sure you don't mess with anything that I established that's sacred it's amazing how many things we make sacred that really God doesn't care about at all you know the Pharisee had had a list of that stuff the Pharisees had a list of my lung and Jesus said now it's a couple of things really love God love people you're done I think somewhere in all of that is stuff for you guys to think about for your own transition some of you are leading transitions in your life outside of this room and maybe it'll help you in the leading of those transitions in the leading of yourself in a transition and maybe it will help you to key more into than transition happening in you here at this time in your church and to cut yourself some slack and to be gracious and kind because what's happening on the biggest scene in a church or a business organization is happening in you and if you are unkind to what's happening here it's hard for you to be kind it starts to visit you personally transitions are times for huge grace huge love fun laughter don't take yourself too seriously is also a good go to energy to adopt in transitions


You're alive and welcome folks. I know we're running a little late. This is house corrections and institutions committee. We're picking up. Our discussion on S3, which is a bill that is in house judiciary committee. We're looking at section five and six, which the health care committee has been working on. They've also added a new section, section seven, which we'll get into that's dealing with the justice oversight committee. They are health care committee is looking at this draft right now with their legal counsel and we have representative coffee there on behalf of our committee to committee on these two sections. And we have representative Morrissey who's been working intimately with house judiciary on S3 as a whole as well. So we have representative Morrissey with us today. She's here helping us navigate through these section five and six with the rest of the bill. So we're getting all of our bases covered. I'm going to go over what I'm seeing is changes between the two we really need to have draft 3.1 in front of us as well as the current draft that they're working on upstairs draft 5.1. So quickly going. draft 3 is on our committee page for April 14 that somebody wants to quick reference to it. Yeah. And then this morning draft 5.1 was posted so you really need to have both versions up. Some of it is pretty easy in terms of seeing where the changes are in draft 5.1 what they have done is just highlighted the changes from their previous draft of 3.1. Okay, that's how. So you're not going to see in 3.1 you saw a lot of highlights in the front. So draft 5.1 where it's not highlighted incorporated the highlighted language from 3.1 and new highlights that changes that language. So that's the process of people on track with that or is there confusion. Okay. So draft 5.1 what they really added was when you're looking at the comparisons for the community services, you're looking not just you're looking at what's currently there but they wanted to be very clear currently available. But that's your baseline. That's currently available. That's what they added on the folks comparing mental health services for folks within our correctional facilities between facilities. They also want to incorporate our out of state contract that we have down in Mississippi. The previous language was saying for monitors in our out of state facilities and they changed that to Vermont residents. Don't think that would be a problem with how they're classified in DOC. They're under the custody of the commissioner corrections. I don't know if that would be an issue with DOC or not. On the next page, they have for the forensic working group they did. They took out if you're on draft 3.1 on the working group they took out the word expertise when you're talking about interested stakeholders being part of this working group. They said draft 3.1 said interested stakeholders to provide expertise and recommendations necessary to carry out the provisions within this particular section. They took out the word expertise so that it would read that the recommendations necessary to carry out the provisions and subsection B and C of this section. People have questions now's the time to ask them. Okay. And for the working group. Oops, I got a question Karen. Yeah, so I guess it's going back to the Vermont residents. I'm trying to understand what that because I was originally when we are going over it thinking it was just folks who were in Mississippi. Is this broadening it to like any Vermont. No, no, no, what they're referring to are the deal, the folks who are under DOC custody here in Vermont. That but for lack of beds. They would have been housed in Vermont. We have a contract with course civic to house our Vermont offenders in their Mississippi facility. So these are folks who are under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections here in Vermont. I guess I just don't understand what the difference is from Vermonters to Vermont residents.  That's, I mean, that's why I brought it up. I don't know. These are. Should we look to bring do see him. You can have people who have come to Vermont and committed a crime, but who aren't originally from here. So I don't know if they would consider that ineligible you know if somebody from Massachusetts come here and commits a crime they might have lived here for three years but it was all when they were incarcerated. So does that make them a Vermonter or a Vermont resident I'm actually not sure the answer to that question, but I do know people from other states who come here and commit crimes serve their time here. The question is, are under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections. So that may be more the language that should be there that they are serving a sentence and they're under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections, because that's how they get there. It doesn't matter where they come from. They've been sentenced. And they're under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections. So Mary suggested to connect with do see. I think we should do that. I guess I would just be curious to know, because this this came from the health committee health care committee of what what prompted the change for them because I think if I was just reading it, I'd be like okay Vermont residents but knowing that it specifically changed I'm like okay what is the reasoning from their perspective. Are they trying to get at something. What's the terminology of the do see work. So that could be it to perfect. Yeah, I think that's the issue. Oh yeah I don't I don't know why they didn't just use say Vermont inmates but there are also are they're not Vermont inmates who are in other out of state facilities besides Mississippi. Can we have some high security people that are or other people that are in other prisons because they can't be in the same prison with a person who they killed or not killed but affected or something like that. Maximum security. Yes, they are we also participate in an interstate compact for interstate swaps of inmates. I think the goal upstairs was for the contract we have of course civic. Because that's where the bulk. I mean the others are dispersed you might have one inmate in one state you'd have another inmate in another state. You might have some federal folks who are Vermont residents, but they're under the federal jurisdiction so they're in a federal bed in another state. Yes, they may facility facilities, they make it plural. So, this is a question I would ask representative Lippert, when he comes in, and we might be able to work Smith this a little bit different. I think they're just not tuned in to doc's world. Okay. I mean, to be honest with you, Kurt I did think about that that we've got one inmate over here we got another inmate. I didn't pick up that that was the intent of health care committee the intent was our contract with the out of state facility. Yeah, I suspect so because they're just comparing mental health services are not comparing individual inmate so yeah, and I think you're right. I will ask that a representative Lippert when he comes down and then see what their intent is, and then we can always reach out to doc as well. Anything else there before we move on. I've done a lot of work on the forensic care working group, they did add the superior judge, which was one of was recommended to us as well. And they did add the Vermont Medical Society, which was also recommended. And on page three, number 14, line 10 through 12 they changed this one a little bit. Their previous draft had two individuals with lived experience of mental illness. So they added, they added three, they added one more so be three individuals with lived experience at least one of whom who has lived experience in the criminal justice system, or the civil commitment system or both. So they've defined that a little more in terms of what they meant by lived experience. Okay. So that's the changes to the working group. And then it sort of reconfigures their old be in some ways. And as the DMH would submit the report to the respective committees and then it addresses their concerns and the more defined ABC and D, and this is about as far as I've got tied up with other issues for this. So they've reconfigured it where a still deals with the gaps. So they included the gaps. So they took part of the one in that draft 3.1, where it says any gaps in the current mental health and criminal justice system structure and opportunities to improve public safety and address the treatment needs of individuals in the criminal justice stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity. So they've taken that's the sentence and reconfigured it in a would look at any gaps in the current system and opportunities to improve public safety and treatment needs. So they picked up that sentence and took this is new consider the importance of victims rights and the forensic care process, looking at. So that was added to looking at the gaps and any opportunities there. And then they carved out the competency restoration models that are used in other states to look at both models that do not rely on involuntary meds to restore competency that is new. And then how cases where competency is not restored how that is addressed. That was in that was also in draft 3.1 but drafted a little differently. And then, indeed, they're looking at models for other states, which an e looks at due process requirements. I wanted to make clear that for defendants held without adjudication of a crime and presumed innocent because you are presumed until you are convicted of a crime. We're presumed innocent. The language stays the same, and then G and H are brand new. So they've really reconfigured be one be one ABC and D they really reconfigured all of that. So that makes sense to folks can you follow that. So be one is now broken down into capital A, capital B, capital C, capital D, capital E, F and G and H. Okay. I added a G, which is models for forensic treatment, other than inpatient facilities including community based treatment. In any additional recommendations to address the gaps in the current mental health and criminal justice systems and opportunities to improve public safety and address the treatment needs for individuals who are incompetent to stand trial or adjudicated by reason of insanity. So they've really worked through be one. And then they've kept to similar to what was in their previous draft except online six. This is recommended there'd be a preliminary report. It would be submitted prior to this and then the department would submit a second preliminary report to justice oversight committee on July 1. Next year 2022 as to whether or not. So they included or not for a forensic treatment facility is needed in Vermont. The next one was to report whether a forensic treatment facility is needed in Vermont they included or not. So make your case one way, if you need it, make your case the other way if you don't need it. Okay. And the rest of the language on that page stays the same. C on a before February of 22. So this is next year. This is they put this their own section here. This was the amendment that occurred on the Senate floor about if someone's in not complying with their non-hospitalization order or alternative treatment is not adequate to meet the individual's needs. It's the section there. And they want the report to clarify the process. And then they also added a new D. So they kept the report on February 21 2022 the same. But they did add a new D. This new D. So I'm just tracking this. So the final report, which is in D. Would include evaluations for a forensic treatment facility pursuant to subdivision B2 of this section. So subdivision B2 is a preliminary report that would be submitted as my understanding. I don't think that tracks for the dates, including evaluations pursuant to subdivision B2 of this section. I don't think that tracks the B2. I don't think it tracks. Am I reading this wrong? Conducting the work required in this section, including evaluations of the forensic model. So it's the evaluations that's done in B2. Yeah, B2 has a report as a report to the joint. But no, B2 B2 has a report that's due on July 1st, 22. On whether or not a forensic treatment facility is needed, but they're having this report come in on February 22nd. Oh, that's what I'm picking up. I see. Okay. Yeah, you may be right. That may get picked up upstairs. Based on recommendations in the preliminary report, which is February 22nd is when the preliminary report is done. I think we got to look at the dates. We got to look at those dates. It's the preliminary. Yeah, the preliminary looks like the preliminary report is done on or before July 1st 22. I don't know. This is let's flag it. The working group needs to ensure for the forensic treatment facility models. I'm assuming it's for just the forensic treatment facility that social and racial equity issues are considered. What is the consistency with the general assembly's policy of working towards a mental health system that does not require coercion, or the use of involuntary meds. So these two sections were added. And then yeah, Karen, I have a question on that. Where is that policy? What is the policy that they're referencing the general some police policy. I don't know if it's for representative Lippert, but it may also be in state statute. Okay. I didn't know if it's online. Oh, should I be knowing this policy? Are there other policies I should know? No, no. That would be to ask Bill. Anything else. And then they're saying that these considerations will be reflected in the final report. Which is submitted B3. In the first 2023. And that the department would access regional and national expertise to present models to the working group for review, including any model recommended by members of the working group. And then they've made clear that members of the working group are entitled to. And then at the top of the last page, there is a dollar. There's a dollar amount of 25,000 that's appropriated to the department from the general fund to complete the work. There's they put in appropriations, which then means the bill goes up to appropriations. So we have some questions to ask representative Lippert. The last section seven is brand new. And this is a concern that I know the chair of health care committee has shared this with me. The justice oversight committee has been established quite a while ago to reflect the different arenas of issues within DOC. The justice oversight committee meets six times usually five, six times off session. And, and their scope has really expanded over time, where it used to be just focused in corrections and now it's also focused in juvenile justice juvenile criminal justice arenas. And so the makeup of the justice oversight committee, there's 10 members five from the house and five from the Senate. And a member from appropriations committees, a member from institutions committee, a member from human services committee, member from judiciary committee, and I believe a member. Who am I missing here. Health and welfare institutions, corrections and human services, but that's in a member at large. I'm thinking education committee that's wrong getting hung up member from a probes member from human services, member from institutions, and a member from judiciary. So you've got those four committees covered in a member at large. So you got five folks. What's the number at large butch. That's a yeah. So, there's concern I know from the chair of health care committee. Mental health used to be under the jurisdiction of human services committee, and a few years ago that got carved out and moved over to health care committee. And there is not a health care committee member. on justice oversight. So their proposal is to get rid of our at large member and put in a member of health care committee. And add an at large for the Senate, because they have health and welfare that takes care of both health care and mental health. So they've gotten rid of the at large member in the house but they kept the at large member in the Senate. So you're still at five and five. I'm suggesting that we keep the current makeup. And we continue keeping an at large member. And we add the health care person. So we have six members in the Senate has to at large. So it's a 12 member, instead of a 10 member. Our side has already been appointed. I'm not sure about the Senate side yet. Just follow me on that. So, the concern is that there isn't anyone representing mental health issues on justice oversight, because our health and welfare committee as it used to be called was changed to human services committee. And after a while, the mental health jurisdiction of human services committee got moved over to health care committee. So I was suggesting to representative Lippert, that we do 12 members, we add in health care committee on the house side, keep in one member at large. And then in the Senate, change them to two members at large because their health and welfare committee, which is equivalent to our human services committee also takes care of mental health. And that may be something we want to propose. That makes sense to folks. Maybe I don't know we have so many committees and so many people I'd have to think about it. Well, I can tell you that sometimes we have a hard time meeting getting a quorum. And quite often, it's harder to have senators meet than House members. And quite often, there may be only a couple senators or three. Sometimes you never get the full. And even on the house side, you'd even on the house side, sometimes you have a hard time getting enough members to meet. So I just put that out there. That's questions on anything. By making the committee larger, you make the quorum number larger to write so. Yeah, you'd need seven. Yeah, instead of six. But there may be more opportunities. Not to struggle so much. So questions on any other part of the draft. So at this point, I think we're in holding pattern. Would someone be willing to reach out to do see and find out about the terminology of Vermont residents. You know, takers on that. I don't see any takers. Whatever your name is. You can call me Carl. Carl. Carl. Can you suggest? Suggestion or who I ask about that.  Would it be Monica. Monica. Monica, I think you all thought. Why don't you do Al Cormier. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There you go. I want you to talk to Al. Connect with Al. I think that, you know, I don't want to consume commissioner Baker. If you can. I'm thinking. Should we assume that they wanted that what they're really interested what they're trying to say is Mississippi. Okay. I don't think they're aware. They're not aware of the nuances that we may do in exchange with the public. The public. I don't think there's any security here. So why don't we just. Take a break and. Is there anything else that's coming up to light here on this draft that people. Mary, do you see this in conflict at all with the rest of the bill. a lot of specific languages not to look at outside treatment like within our communities and all of that. And I guess I would have thought that was understood you were looking across the board at everything. So I don't even know why you need this specific language in there, but that's just my humble opinion. If a group is looking, they need to look at this on all angles, all sides of it in order to bring back a report that is that is balanced and understood that you've looked at all angles of it. So I'm not totally sure why they've got this very specific language very specifically for the person in question. And yes, we all want to protect everyone's rights. I get that. But why the special language is there? I'm not getting it. And this is kind of somewhat new from what was in the rest of the bill, but whatever. So, Mary, you're really looking at what they've put in for models for forensic treatment other than inpatient facilities. Right, well, I'm and then models that do not rely on involuntary meds. Is that right? I mean, I mean, technically, you would be looking at all of that, you know, on both sides of the issue, you know, facilities or or your community based initiatives within what what is available there. And I think that was the way it was understood, especially when it came from the Senate, that you would be looking at all aspects. So I don't know why you're technically looking to almost promote one over another. I would think you would keep it kind of balanced, but are be it for me. OK. And that may just be my opinion, but it is highlighted there very specifically. So I want to be clear in where you're referring to. Is that the one for that's highlighted G on page? OK, let me let me get back to the. OK. OK, so that would be OK. OK, models for other other than inpatient and models for forensic treatment. Other than inpatient facilities, including community based. So other than we kind of say, we're not going in the direct. You're already almost setting, or at least in my interpretation, they may not mean that, but it's almost like sounding like we don't want to even look at inpatient facilities. We're looking more to include other things. And again, as I said, originally what was thought in this this committee looking at the different pieces for if there was a need or wasn't a need for a facility that you would be addressing all of that. So I'm remembering Deputy Commissioner of Fox's testimony last Friday that they were concerned health care committee and he acknowledged this as well. The intent wasn't to start from a basis of we're doing a facility a forensic facility is looking at all the options out there and then deciding whether or not to do a facility and report that as well. Right. And that's what I just said. You know, you're looking at all of it. You're you're not by having the having this committee. You're not saying that there's going to be a facility. This is the the work of this committee that should be coming back to us with all the reasons why you shouldn't. And if there are reasons why you should. So to highlight one almost puts it out there like you'll be looking at one more than another. But obviously Deputy Commissioner Squirrel are I mean Fox when you know has gone along with the health care committee and they may have a reason and until we hear from Representative Lipper we're not going to know what their reasoning is. So we can sit here and kind of guess what they were thinking. But I guess we need to hear what they are technically thinking. OK, so we'll ask that of Bill when he comes comes down. Anything else, Scott. Yes, well along the lines of what Mary was just saying. Maybe the language ought to be. Reflect more the idea that forensic treatment might might be a system and it might include in patient facilities, right? It's just that it would be a different a different. A different model, a different model of treatment, right? So when Bill comes down, we can ask him this when it comes through. So Sarah just came in from upstairs. So what's happening upstairs? So it's funny to I came back downstairs to room 33. The committee, the Health Care Committee reviewed the draft language that that was shared with our committee. And I think the chair is prepared to come down at two thirty or whenever you'd like him to. I think they're wrapped up as if Phil can send. Hang on. That's John's phone. If if if Phil can send an invitation and just let him know whenever you want to, Madam Chair. And I think it's pretty. They made a couple of small changes that I think Representative Lippard would walk through with us. There are just some language changes and also with the last section of the bill, there were they accepted. We talked about a recommendation. I never said large. Yeah, I don't has our has our committee been talking about this concurrently. So everybody knows that that last section is the joint. It's not a new committee. It's the Joint Justice Oversight Committee. So they they thought that that was a they appreciated. They wanted to have a health care meant, you know, voiced at the table because of the importance of hearing about mental health sleeping or a member at large and care, and then the Senate would have to. OK, so are they doing another draft? I think they took they took a straw poll vote on this with knowing what a couple of the they were kind of like wordsmith type level changes and they'll they're going to come down to us. And I think they're going to recommend that and make those changes and make that amendment recommend the amendment to host you to share. OK, so what? Let's take a break until two thirty here. And Phil, if you could just send an email to Bill and say that we've sent him the invite already. So just say we're we're back at two thirty if he can meet with us at two thirty. OK, OK, Kurt, did you have your hand up? Yeah, can I squeeze in a quick question on S forty five? Yeah, I think it's a quick one. You know, we it has the crimes in it and they're all it just occurred to me that because of what happened with the good good time that we might anticipate a question from the floor as to whether anybody who committed murder would be available. Are people who committed murder or something like that? Is it possible that they would be on probation? It could be. I think isn't that the testimony we heard? It's probably pretty unlikely, but. Because that's not one of the crimes list.  And then there's it's not the big twelve and things like that are not in there. I would think if someone is charged with murder, they're going to be held on bail. That would be my assumption, but you know what assume means. So it depends what the court decides to do. I'm just thinking of how Karen's going to answer that question. Right. So maybe maybe also in your email with Al Cormier, you could ask him that and tell him he can respond to that later. A more prevalent one is how do you define for Mount resident? Should it be under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections? Well, with that with that question, the second question, be better asked of Dale Crook. Yeah, that might be more appropriate for Dale. Yeah. Or maybe Karen should ask it. I don't know. Maybe somebody ask it. And so I would think that for Karen's purposes and for anyone's purposes, if somebody was facing that type of a crime, the state attorney is there to bring their motion. So that would be if the state attorney has no issues, then I think it's risen to the level of OK, so I don't think Karen would have a problem just say the way the vehicle is for the state attorney to bring the motion. And I think we covered with that. Yeah, I mean, if somebody is charged with murder, that's I mean, Linda's right. It's going to be what the prosecution wants, you know. And and I don't ask. So in that case, the person would be say it might have been sentenced to probation. But when it comes to DOC at the midpoint, they would request a discharge because they have to. And then the state's attorneys would say, wait a minute, this guy committed murder. We don't think you should get it. No, no, no, no, no, no. They would need to prove by preponderance of the evidence that the person's no risk to the community or to the victim is gone, but a risk to the public safety of the community. They would also need to show by clear and convincing evidence that the person has violated or is not in compliance with their conditions of probation. So if they can't do that, it's possible that the that the murderer on probation would be granted a discharge at midpoint. If they're complying, and I would think their probation is going to be a little longer than two years, their probation is going to be four to six years. And that ties in to the appeal. Was it that we just did that? House 20 H 20, where we they had the amendment from the Senate that there would be a report in terms of looking at what conditions, looking at your risk assessments that would help the judge for felony patients that would help the judge in setting those conditions. Remember the amendment that came through from the Senate? We know that it was 10 one in our committee. And that is to help, particularly with those cases of murder that you'd really find out. Is there underlying issue, be it substance abuse, be it mental health issues, be it a higher risk for for risk behavior that that really looking at those assessment tools and reporting back to see if we need to change any statutes to really help the judge be more informed when setting conditions for folks who are going to be on probation charges. You remember that, right? Yeah. Yeah, I remember that's tied into your question. If someone's going to get probation for murder, the goal is there's more understanding of what drove the person to commit the crime. But we but it is possible. I mean, we have I mean, the it is possible that a person could be on probation for murder and could get a midpoint would get a midpoint review and could be released at midpoint. So that's a question to ask Dale. OK, one. Number two, if that is the case, what's their usual length of probation, right? Well, OK, I'll let Linda answer. Linda. Yes, thank you. So I was going to say all that, but I think it's really important to understand that the only parties to the criminal prosecution are the state and the defendant. So the state prosecutor is there. For that sole purpose of arguing if there's a reason for this not to happen. So I think that your bases are covered.  So the state prosecutor will show up if there's something going on. Check it out with Dale and then we'll figure it out once you hear back from Dale. OK, anything else? So let's take a quick five minute break. Did you hear it? You feel you've checked with Bill Wright and said two thirty. I did not send it to him because it looked like you were going to go a bit longer and I didn't know how long you wanted to be on break. I think he's expecting to come at two thirty. OK, so let's take a five minute break and come back at two thirty. Why don't we do that?


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The Jell-O program starring Jack Benny with Mary Livingston, Phil Harris, Dennis Day and yours truly, Don Wilson. The orchestra opens the program with ma, he's making eyes at me. Tomorrow would be an excellent time to let Jell-O take care of the dessert at dinner. For one of the great things about Jell-O, it's so quick and easy to get ready, takes a little of your time. And it's pretty swell to know that any Jell-O dessert you make will meet with your family's enthusiastic approval.  And this extra-rich flavor, this smooth, tangy goodness, is really something swell, as grand and refreshing as the real juicy ripe fruit itself. Yes, a clear shining mold of tempting Jell-O, easily and quickly prepared, would make a mighty welcome addition to your evening menu tomorrow. So order some the first thing in the morning, and while you're about it, try those new Jell-O puddings too. Already they're the big dessert sensations of the nation, rich, creamy, satin smooth puddings, yours to enjoy in the three popular flavors, chocolate, vanilla and butterscotch. Ask your grocery tomorrow for Jell-O and those new delicious desserts all America's talking about, Jell-O puddings. Jack Benny talking, and Don, that was about the silliest thing I've ever heard. I wish that during this new year, your introductions would make a little more sense. Well, I'm sorry, Jack, I was merely trying to tie you in with leap year, that's all. Well, there must be other ways. I haven't leaped in years. What am I supposed to be, a gazelle or something? Well, you'll have to admit, Jack, that you're not the most agile person in the world. What if I'm not? You should be the last one to mention it. Any man who has to detour when he comes to an anthill. Well, I'd be quiet if I were you. Hello, Jack. Hello, Mary. Let me clear this up, Jack. All I meant by my introduction was that you're not the dashing athletic type like Errol Flynn or Mickey Rooney. Mickey Rooney? For heaven's sake, Don, Mickey Rooney is at least eight years younger than I am. Fine comparison. Well, Jack Benny, you mean to say Mickey Rooney is only eight years younger than you are? I said he was at least eight. He might be nine or ten years younger. Or eleven or twelve.  Sorry to multiply. I'm 185 years old. I'm deaf as a post. I got hardening of the arteries, and I walk with a cane. Have I overlooked anything? I can't understand. You put your teeth in. Oh, I haven't got any teeth. It's a fine program. Hiya, Jackson. You're so burned up about it. Well, who wouldn't be?  I'm ready for the ash cans.  Your girlfriend, Gladys, thinks you're wonderful. You're darn right, she does. Of course she's not exactly a noob, girl. Now, listen, Phil, there's nothing wrong with Gladys that a pair of art supporters won't fail. I'm getting her some for her birthday. Next April. Meanwhile, plop, plop, plop. Mary, why is it every time I get a girl you have to run her down? I'll admit that Gladys has no heady Lamar when it comes to looks, but she's got a lot of personality. She makes more tips than any other girl in Ginsburg's seafood grotto. Why not? She dives for him in the fish tank. She does not. And if you're so smart, Miss Livingston, let me tell you something about Gladys that you don't know. If the boats keep coming in like they have been, she's going to be Miss Vine Street this year. What do you think Gladys has got a chance of being elected, Jack? Certainly, and that reminds me, fellas, here, fill out these stubs, all of you. And you know what name to put down, Gladys. Not me. I'm voting for Mamie, the new waitress at Ginsburg. Bill Harris, you'll vote for the one I'll tell you soon. I'm voting for Mamie. This is a free country. Well, you're going to see a lot of it if you don't vote for Gladys. Give me your pen, Jack. I'll vote for your girlfriend. Thanks, Mary. Me too. Gladys, huh? What's your last name, Jack? Zabisco. Z-Y-B-Y-S-K-O. Gladys Zabisco. Hey, how do you make a Z? How do you make a... Here, give me that pencil. Look, Bill, it's like an S, backward, with no curves. Like that. See? Oh, yeah. That's easy. Sure. Hey, Frankie, watch me make a Z. Here, Phil, we haven't got time. And now, ladies and gentlemen... Oh, by the way, Phil, if you're running to Mamie, don't tell her I'm slugging for Gladys. I'm going to half-promise her. Okay, Jack, I won't mention it. Thanks. And now, ladies and gentlemen, understand, Phil, I haven't got anything against Mamie, but I've been seeing a lot of Gladys and she's a hot-headed jealous type.  That's a lie, Mary, because Gladys never punches my meal ticket. He just makes the lead. Ladies and gentlemen, as I started to announce, Dennis Day, our young tenor, is going to sing an old favorite which is still very popular called Down by the River. Dennis, hey, where's Dennis? Here I am, Mr. Benny, under the piano. Under the piano? What are you doing there? I'm counting the gum. It's a nice way to pass the time, but you've got to sing now. Go ahead, sir. Okay.  I'll nail them in. We're the other, but Goldie won it last year. And besides, he hasn't got anywhere near the figure that Gladys has. Well, everybody says Gladys looks like a horse. Of course, he's got a very long face. Oh, she's cutting her half for air zone help, Annie. Well, that's because you're not in the content. Now, here, Dennis, take this stuff and put down Gladys Sabisco, a Z-Y-B-Y-S-K-O. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, while Dennis is writing down Sabisco, Z-Y-B-Y-S-K-O, why don't you write down Jello, okay? It is economical, easy to make, and comes in S-I-X, delicious flavor. Where? So always insist on genuine Jello and look for the big red letters on the B-O-X. Very good, Don. Phil Harris will now spell tag. K-A-T. Excellent. Spelling B to our feature attraction. Tonight, the Benny Glee and Dramatic Club will present their version of David O. Selznick's great production. That emotional drama and tender love story filled with romance and music. None other than that supreme achievement and cinematic triumph in Termezo. Thank you, Dream Bowl. I will play the part of that internationally famous concert violinist whose artistry and charm win the love of his beautiful young accompanist. This role was portrayed on the screen by that distinguished actor, Mr. Leslie Howard. Now, the, uh...  You heard me, Phil. I'm going to be Leslie Howard, a concert violinist and a great lover. Listen to them dials turn. Don't worry, I'll handle it all right. Now, Mary, you're going to be my wife. You remember the part Edna Bess had in the picture. Your wife, eh? Yes, and when this other woman comes into my life, you fight to hold me. You fight like a tigress to keep that spark of love burning between us. You're not going to sacrifice the most precious of women's possessions. Her husband. What are you laughing at? Pardon me, I thought I was garble. We should pay a little attention here. Anyway, Mary, you're my wife. And Dennis. Yes, please.  You have a beautiful golden curl, soft blue eyes, and a complexion like rose tinted ivory. Gee, I like him better than I do me. I don't blame you. Now, let's see. Hey, Jackson. What am I going to be in this tender and gripping love story? You, Phil, you're going to be the manager of Leslie Benny, this great concert violinist. Are my eyes going to be blue, too? No, Phil, just under your eyes, as usual. Now, let's see. Oh, yes, the very important role of the young accompanist, so beautifully portrayed on the screen by that sweetest star, Miss Ingrid Bergen, will be enacted this evening by a discovery of our own. That very talented young actress, Miss Olivia Devon. Oh, Miss Devon. Here I am, Mr. Benny. Now, as you know, you're going to be my accompanist. And during our play, you fall madly in love with me. That won't be hard to do, kid. Well, thank you. Now, I understand you've had screen experience yourself. What was your last assignment? I was a caboose in Union Pacific. I remember you with that red and green light in your hair. Yeah. Now, here's your part. Go over in the corner and brush up on it. Thank you. And when do I get paid? I'll meet you downstairs right after the broadcast. I've got a date. So have I. I just want to pay you off. That's all. I didn't say. Now, our play Intermezzo will go on immediately after a number by the orchestra.  Hold it a minute. Answer the phone, Mary. OK. Hello? He's here. It's for you, Jack, at Ginsburg's restaurant. That must be Gladys. Hello? Hello, Gladys. How are you? Oh, they do? Well, why don't you soak them when you get home? Dogs are barking, eh? Mary, she's on her feet all day. What did you call me for, Gladys? Oh. Well, don't worry. I've got five more votes for you today. Yeah, it's only five. After all, Gladys, you've got competition. It's no sin. But now, wait a minute, Gladys. If you don't like the way I'm running your campaign, get Jim Farley. Because I didn't mean to boil you off. But gosh, I... But Gladys, darling. But Gladys, baby. Gladys, honey. Try the disco. Quiet. Please stop sniffling. You'll win the contest. You'll get that trip to Boulder Dam later. Goodbye. Oh, by the way, Gladys, will you put away a piece of banana cream pie for me? Last Sunday, you were all out. Thanks. And this, he goes to Leslie Howard. Okay, dear. Goodbye.  Play, Phil. Gee, I made her cry. We inquire. Intermezzo? Well done. Intermezzo is an Italian word. It's, uh, from the Italian. It's a musical term, and it's, uh... it's from the Italian. Intermezzo da means, well, the word inter means between. For instance, interurban means between towns. So, intermezzo means between mezzo. You see? Well, yes, Jack, but what's a mezzo? Well, mezzo is a proper noun, a part of the fine. It's a name more than anything else. Like mezzo-golden there. Yeah. That's it, Mary. Something like that. Now, wait a minute. An intermezzo is a musical term meaning an interlude or a chorus. Joining two parts of a major composition. Well, come to think of it, Phil, that's it exactly. Where'd you get that definition? I found it in the Chinese cookie. Well, I'm glad we've got it settled anyway. You most may proceed, Don. Well, uh, thank you. The scene of our play, ladies and gentlemen, is the New York apartment of Mr. Leslie Benny, the internationally famous violinist, where he lives with his wife, Edna, and their little son, Pizzicato. That's him, Pizzicato Benny. As the curtain rises, we find Mr. Benny practicing souvenir on his violin. Curtain, music. For my concert tour. Okay. Please don't annoy me, dear. I'm practicing for my concert tour. Oh, yes. Does he take me with you on this trip? Why can't I go along? Why? Little does she know that I'm in love with my beautiful blonde accompanist, Anita. Because, darling, it's a hard life. Trains, hotels, a constant Russian firm oil. You couldn't stand it. Oh. Little does he know that he don't know that I know about you-know. Some other time, dear. And incidentally, Edna, we should keep our son out of the room when I'm practicing. He bothers me dreadfully. Well, don't worry. He's gone to Central Park with his nurse. My goodness. He's still got that nurse. He's big enough now to hold her on his lap. That's why they went to the park. Do you change your mind about taking me with you? I'll think about it. Little does she know that my girlfriend is waiting for me in Paris. Little does he know that my boyfriend is under the sofa. Well, see you later, darling. Okay, sweet. Now, let's see. What music should I take along? I don't know whether to open with Shikowsky's and Dante Contavoli or Bugle Call Rag. Now, if I open in Paris, I'll have to play... Come in. Telegram for Leslie Benney. Right here, boy. Wait a minute. Here's a quarter for you. Oh, gee. Thanks. Little do you folks know if this quarter says what to call McGraw on. You better set me this telegram. Why it's from Anita. Anita. She's waiting for me in Paris, Kentucky. I knew I should have told her friends. I must wire immediately to meet me at the boat. Hi, Petsy.  Are you going to Paris, Daddy? Yes, Petsy. You'll be a good little boy, too. Petsy. Well, goodbye, Edna. Goodbye, Leslie. I'll miss you terribly. Little does she know that Anita is waiting for me on the boat. I'll miss you, too. Little does she know that I put a dictaphone in his saddle. Well, goodbye, sweetheart. Goodbye. Oh, Leslie. Yes, Mr. Harris. We better get aboard. There is much time. I'm coming. Did you prepare my itinerary? Yes. Your route is as follows. The Opera House in Paris. The La Scala in Rome. The Grand Palis in Budapest. Albert Hall in London. Carnegie Hall in New York. And the Wilshire Bowl. Wilshire Bowl? What's that? That's the cultural center of Southern California. No cover charge. Oh. Come, Mr. Harris. We must hurry. Goodbye, Edna. Goodbye, Petsy Cotto. Goodbye. We find him at the Opera House in Paris. Miss. Getting ready. We find him at the Opera House in Paris. Miss. Getting ready for his final appearance of the season. Anita. Anita. Just think this is my last concert.  Happy kids. You, Anita. Only you who has made all this possible. I love you, Anita. More than ever. You? Tell me that you love me too. For another, who is it? Mr. Can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's true?  Goodbye. Farewell, Anita. So long, kid. I don't care what treat me like this. In five minutes I am due to appear before my public. But I shall never play my violin again. Never. Never. Leslie. Leslie, darling. Edna. My wife. What are you doing here? I thought you needed me, Leslie. I could sense that something was wrong. Oh, I love you, Leslie. Come back to me. My little wife. I love you too. And I shall never leave you again. Where's Petsy Cotto, our son? In the hospital. He ate too much rosin. Oh, I knew it would get him.  You give me new life, new spirit. And I'm going out on that stage and play my violin as I've never played before. I know you well. Good luck, kid. Thank you, kid. So Leslie Benny walked out on the stage of the vast Carnegie Hall. Oh, I fell over the audience. The lights dimmed. Leslie raised his violin to his chin, and the orchestra played the introduction to the meditation from Ta'is by Massonet. Your family will surely enjoy, and something you'll enjoy. First, dissolve one package of orange jello in one pot, and fold in two-thirds of a cup each of diced oranges, diced apples, and finely cut dates. Then mold, and there you have it, an enticing combination of brilliant orange jello and delicious fresh fruit. So tomorrow night at dinner, delight the whole family with its tempting jello creation, with its gay colors and rich tangy fruit flavor. And we will be with you again next Sunday night at the same time. Meanwhile, on behalf of my cast, my authors and myself, I want to thank the radio editors of the United States of Canada for the honors accorded us in the recent New York World Telegram poll. Can you imagine, folks, Don Wilson was voted the best announcer, and I had to play my violin all through his commercial. Oh well, good night, folks. Thank you, no broadcasting company.