If you get this question correct you will get 2 minutes break. 5, 5.  I will know if somebody copies. So what is the hole inside? So should I speak? Yes sir. Okay, so when you look at it from this side it appears like that. Oh my god. Oh my god. It's a cylinder from the middle, another small cylinder comes out. Okay, this is a string which is wrapped around the smaller cylinder which is fixed on the bigger cylinder. Are you sure? Okay. Yes. So this is, what happened? How do you fix it up? Take a big log, wooden log. You remove this material from the wooden log, then you left with this kind of structure. Yes. This line is attached, now it will feel okay. Okay sir. Sir, both are not in order. Both are cylinder only see, total mass is given and complete radius 2R is given. So moment of nature is M into 2R square by 2. Okay, cylinder here. Oh so you don't need to add up each house. Actually yeah, it will not be M into 2R square by 2. You can say that see here, let me tell you the radius of gyration, radius of gyration is, let's say K. What is that? Haven't taught radius of gyration? No. Nothing happens see, radius of gyration. Oh seriously. If radius of gyration is K, moment of nature is M into K square. Okay. So radius of gyration, for a disk it is R by root 2. Because M into K square should be equal to moment of inertia. So getting it. So radius of gyration is K, so moment of nature is M into K square. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Moment of nature, hope this axis is given. Yes. So the radius of gyration is K, about that axis. You need to find out, you'll be at alpha, A and what else, force of friction. Just write out equation like this, that's all I want. It's not slipping. No slipping. No slipping. What strings had something over it. String is getting pulled. String is wrapped around here and it is pulled at an angle theta with the horizontal. What's happening in the horizon? If F is very large, but F is not that large. So can that thing slide on the motor? No. Can it slide on the motor? There is no slipping. There is no slipping, it is pure rolling. Rolling without slipping. So roll backwards now. You, attempt it. If you assume rolling without slipping, the bottommost point is to get rest. Just write down the equations. Done. Draw the free board diagram, represent forces, write down the torque equation, force equation. How simple is that? So you're pulling strings like this. Yes, with force F. Tension in this string is F. Oh, tension in this string is F. Are you pulling string with F? So string will pull you with what force? F only, that is a tension. Fx is friction. Oh, sorry. F r is equal to F cos theta. Why? Why should balance? Why should balance? There is skid night and not roll without slipping. You don't need this equation to vertical direction. Normal direction. It's correct. No one else. Why are you taking mu n as friction? It is not mu n. Friction becomes mu n. It is just sufficient for it to have to roll in. Mu n is when sliding happens. It is rolling friction we apply. But who else? No one else. I'll write down. Check compare books. So I just change mu n friction and it's okay. So because everything will remain the same. I didn't use mu n. No sir, the tension is wrong. Wait, no sir. Thought due to friction was wrong. Tension should be because it has to be rolled in. What I'm saying is that at times you'll worry about how it is rotating with the direction of friction and all that. What I'm saying is, don't be consistent. That's all. You can assume any direction. You can assume any direction of force or friction. But when you write down the equation, you should not equate force in this direction to mass emetration of that direction. Similarly, clockwise torque, you should not equate to I of alpha of anticlockwise. Are you getting what I'm trying to say? You can assume any direction of friction, any direction of what I'm telling consistency because torque here to alpha doesn't tell you that friction direction should be this and that. All it tells you that it should be consistent with applying the equation. Are you getting it? Let's assume friction is this way. I don't know which way it is. So I'll assume any which way. This is the friction direction. If my assumption is wrong, friction magnitude will come out to be negative since the friction is. Here friction area, that's all. So if I write net force along x direction is equal to mass emetration.   To find the component of force you have to use s cos theta but in order to find torque force into r this is a cm angular acceleration alpha why I should take angular acceleration alpha like this? No, sorry it will be like that. It should be like this. Why should I take like that? Only then this point can be at rest. Only then alpha into r this way and a cm that way. Getting it? Everywhere there should be consistency. So f into this way but alpha is in opposite direction so minus f into r. Getting it? Friction into r this is the total torque about the center of mass this should be equal to icm which is m into k square times alpha. So you can solve this and alpha is equal to a by r this is also constraint equation rolling without slipping 2r is equal to alpha into 2r sorry okay okay so after the break we will derive torque even to i alpha then we have angular momentum left center of energy left then let's see we can start angular momentum probably alright so let us talk about the derivation of torque equal to i alpha we will take a simpler case okay and then we will try to extend it to a generic case suppose this is the axis of rotation it spins okay it is a fixed axis of rotation I am going to prove torque to i alpha for the fixed axis okay suppose angular acceleration is alpha alright acceleration is alpha this perpendicular distance of the point mass m1 is let's say is r1 for let's say m2 the perpendicular distance is r2 okay so the acceleration of m1 is what alpha into r1 acceleration of m2 is alpha r2 okay acceleration are in opposite directions are you getting it that is understood acceleration is in opposite direction we will talk about it later on but right now the net force on m1 let's say that is f1 will it be equal to m alpha r1 is this the net force mass m acceleration m1 m1 is this the correct thing there is something wrong here tell me what it is so you are neglecting all the force we know I am taking acceleration as alpha r1 is that the only acceleration there will be centripetal acceleration also it is moving in a circle right so centripetal acceleration will be omega square into r1 so there will be centripetal force as well to provide centripetal acceleration centripetal force will be this is what tangential force there will be centripetal force fc which is m1 omega square r1 yes or no two forces are there tangential and centripetal but the good thing is that centripetal force passes through the axis it touches the axis so this force will be so torque will be only because of this tangential force is it clear okay but torque because of the force f1 is what torque because of only this force which is how much m1 r1 r1 perpendicularity is r1 so torque is what m1 r1 r1 this is m1 alpha r1 into r1 so this is what m1 r1 square alpha and then you sum that below yes or no on this m2 although the acceleration is an opposite direction the torque will be in the same direction because both have same sense of rotation so if you add up all the torque you will get the total torque this is the total torque which will be equal to summation of y square into alpha this will be equal to summation of mi i square is what moment definition about that axis so i into alpha and what is the summation of all the torques this will be equal to sum of all external plus the internal torques now summation of all internal torques will be 0 some of all forces will be 0 this will be Newton's third law summation of all torque you have extended from your side and net force is 0 is it necessary that net torque will be 0 no so why net torque is 0 why net internal torque will be 0 let's say there is a force between two particles one will generate a torque in one direction the other will be in opposite direction prove it mathematically that mathematics prove that sum of all internal torques will be 0 just take two masses a red two mass internal forces internal forces will be acting towards each other equal and opposite if one is f other will be minus f you need to prove that torque about this point will be 0 origin this is r1 that is r2 prove it sum of all torque will be 0 no one got it there you go because of this force is that force it is r1 yes or no so if you add these two equal to r2 minus these two points torque will be 0 right so if you can have pairs of all the internal forces two at a time they will cancel that is where net internal torque will be 0 so from there it comes out that net external torque to a rigid body will be equal to i into alpha of the fixed axis what is 0 you are not there in vectors you have not seen the videos where is r2 you know how to subtract the vectors r2 is this r1 is this where is r2 there will be no video or while having your dinner or lunch copy pen you should have it make the notes treat as if it is in a class r2 minus r2 sorry r2 plus this vector x should be equal to r1 r2 plus x is r1 this is the x will be equal to r1 minus r2 then it will make 0 angle will be 0 with f net external torque will do i alpha x axis of the center of mass axis also but then it will become very involved this formula torque is equal to icm into alpha this is also true but torque is the center of mass axis I will just give you overall logic of it if you are using any other axis other than center of mass axis other than center no fixed axis then there will be a pseudo force there will be a pseudo force which is going to act about the center of mass this derivation assumes that this axis is fixed so what you will access and look at the end no problem but if this axis has an acceleration you will have to apply the pseudo force and that pseudo force point of application is center of mass so then you have to use torque due to the pseudo force as well over here axis passes through the center of mass then torque because of that pseudo force will be 0 derivation of all that but if we keep on doing that 15-20 minutes will be gone and we will lose all the track of it it is not going to be used anywhere just remember these two equations you can use one about fixed axis center of mass axis so if there is a fixed axis it is easiest to use center of mass axis is safest to use because center of mass axis always fixed axis you may or may not find any doubts? I have 5 minutes for the questions sir for the derivation of that the torque internally is 0 we said that like the two masses 1 with force f and minus f each other but what if we have more mass on this side of the axis so we have more particles here more that the internal torque see more particles here doesn't matter actually because I am this point doesn't assume that both the particles will be both the particles can be on the right side of this point it doesn't matter if we have like 10 things with force minus f and 5 with force f it cannot happen cannot all the internal forces should add up to 0 does u agree? so how can it be happen ok if somebody is applying f on that minus f will be applied that is a Newton third law itself they will always I am center of mass so you said that you have to apply something extra if you are using about center of mass then you don't need to worry about torque into pseudo-force fix axis fix axis anyway you don't need to worry about anything because you are standing on the fixed axis and looking at everything but when you are using about center of mass you are standing on center of mass axis even though center of mass accelerates torque due to the pseudo-force it is 0 so that pseudo-force torque will not come in the equation if you are using torque about center of mass is equal to icm alpha but if you are using about some other axis which is neither fixed nor passing to center of mass then you can't use this formula so basically this formula you can use only about fixed axis and about center of mass let's not debate on the thumb rule assume it to be like the rule which you should follow it will be like simpler many of the students don't even know by the time they come in class 12, about to pass out also nobody tells them that you can use torque in the alpha only about 2 axis okay I interviewed he also did now how? how do I know? that's like forgetting I mean you grow old doesn't mean that for everything even if like from I also don't know everything if you give me a question probably I may not be able to solve that and there okay because the mechanics is vast and it is not about how much questions you complete it is about then and there if you are able to think still I have couple of questions from some J advance batch there is a question which still it has been a month now we are not able to solve it and it is from kinematics so simple I will give you please attempt it at home I keep on thinking about that like while teaching you also I might be thinking about this problem this is a IC river frictionless IC river IC means frozen glacier is there wait is it frozen frozen? IC river okay no frozen this is frictionless no friction mu is equal to 0 here coefficient of friction is mu on the surface okay here is Param standing he has to cross the river at the shortest time possible he smells law what? he smells law the answer is not there okay you have to find out the shortest time it will take to go to the other side are you getting it now he can't start from here frictionless now there is some optimum distance if you go in a straight path you will get the wrong answer there should be a reason, logic and final answer I will tell you final answer I have seen this question before have you seen that between my three to one drama he is done this no no no maybe like this I want to be self which be logic one though no problem no problem if you have incidences zero if you have incidences zero then you have incidences zero and if you have incidences zero then it will be zero where zero between them no problem no problem incidences zero please copy down the answer it's not that straight forward I think it came in some a physics olympiad we write down if you think it is simple two step you are wrong sir why won't it be in a straight line even I am wondering right now I will give you if you assume it to be a straight line the answer come out to be to under root L by muji which is actually more than this so walking in a straight line is not even possible so I mean that is little strange so I am then I started to do some research then I found out that when a runner is running he is not putting his I mean it's not a wheel that is rolling so he is putting his feet like this so there will be some angle on this ground so maybe that is the reason why expression will not be able to muji all the time so maybe you have to go little bit in detail but just little bit he is moving at constant velocity constant velocity is not possible constant velocity is not possible constant velocity is only in the IC river here he is moving because of friction sir how much can you accelerate with if we need how much how fast he can accelerate with acceleration is friction force mu Mg divided by mass mu G is the acceleration that is straight forward but that itself is wrong actually only acceleration force on the person is friction what else acceleration force is but if he himself is running what do you mean by how can I walk at different speeds so how can I walk at different speeds and friction is always the same friction is acceleration speed is velocity how can you accelerate in instant acceleration you can accelerate but you don't need to static friction can vary from 0 to maximum friction you are not speeding while running right I will stick and give it I should not have brought this up I am using this ok


Hey DJ what was going on with Graveman at the end of the game there. I mean I don't really want to get into it. You know through one in on Rudy and the next one and I may look suspicious but I mean just baseball. Was there any prior history between you guys or is it just simply that at bat with Rue Gnet and then the inside pitch to you that. Yeah. Yeah. No history. For you. Eric Golan.  You know sneaky fast ball. You know you can get it up there on the radar gun but like basketball is playing up a little bit. You know and he kind of settled in and start throwing some pretty good sliders and you know he shut us down. Thank you. shut us down. Thank you. You know what was being said there you know after that the game was over you know as you guys came out of the dugout they were celebrating on the field. It's just baseball just just baseball talk I mean you know it's a you know frustrating game for us and we're frustrated how he is you know through a couple pitches but it is what it is baseball. And you know you guys have a big series coming up in Houston to end the first half but you know given the history between you guys and the Astros is there any added weight on the series? You know I don't think it really matters who we play right now we got to we got to go and get W's. It's you know put forward to playing them. It's always good games against them so you know I'm looking forward to it. You go next Brian Hope. Hey DJ thank you guys are now three and eight when you've had a chance to finish off a sweep. Why do you think that's been so tough for this team? You know well I think it's hard to sweep in this game. It's very hard at the same time you know I don't think we're looking at it as sweeps we you know we're you know we're in a position where it doesn't matter how we play in the past we just got to get the next one and you know we were I thought we were really focused coming in today. You know the pitcher did a good job and you know I thought we I thought we played really good this series. I feel like our efforts were really good and you know today but like I said got to go tomorrow and get W. Thank you. You go next for Randy Miller. DJ you set the bar so high the last couple years. How do you rate your first half? You know I've not been as consistent as I want to be. You know still making adjustments and and I'm going to keep going keep plugging away and hopefully catch that hot streak and you know in between that hopefully you know roll out some some tough A B's and get on base and you know try to set the lineup up. The pitchers pitching you any differently this year? Not in particular. No I mean just it's kind of the same. You know one team will pitch me one way another team will pitch me another.


Now, relative velocity like she said, relative velocity when it's okay, so itself, himself is going forward with these two, will not increase. Yes or no? So you feel that, who is at? Okay, so we can say that it is with respect to absolute velocity. Okay, just tell me what in this void observer subtracts its own absolute velocity from everything he sees. Such example, suppose this is observer moving forward 5 meter per second. So can you tell me the velocity of being with respect to n and why not 0? So 5, so that is positive direction temperature this way. Okay, that you need to stop moving this side 5 meter per second. Then what do you have to do? When it comes to motion in 20, there is, which is, I am going to introduce a concept with respect to example. Like say this is phi 1, this is phi 2. So velocity of approaching, so that is all other concepts of what is the strength of equation is constant. See how, so in this case velocity to increase to 2D from D, the distance between them should increase to 2D. So how much time they should take? I can show you few more concepts where you can solve various questions using. I am going one step forward where.


And this is Hitler, right?  And really this goes back to Plato to link this up philosophically to the idea of a philosopher king The whole idea of Plato's philosophy is that real knowledge, the truth, is unknowable to all of us, right? The common person is living in a cave. He sees shadows. This is his cave And that the philosopher king actually sees the sun, sees the truth, the world of forms So when we see our chairs and carpets and everything, that's not real reality The real reality is in a different dimension and then you need somebody who can not reason his ways of that other dimension But through some form of revelation Get that knowledge and then communicate to all of us And that's why in the republic you're ruled by philosopher kings because they're the only ones who have real knowledge Now all Hitler, Lenin, Stalin are, are in a sense fillings for the philosopher king And I think about Christianity as well. What's a pope? A pope communes with the world of forms, God Yeah, and he tells us what's the truth. So as long as Plato rules, and I think Plato very much rules the world we live in We tend towards authoritarian models. We tend towards collectivism We undercut the argument for reason. The beauty of Aristotle, Plato's nemesis ultimately historically, is that Aristotle says no, each one of us has a capacity to reason, each one of us has a capacity to know reality as it is And therefore each one of us can be our own master. We can guide our own life We don't need philosopher kings to tell us how to live. We can we can know reality And therefore we know what's good for us. We know what kind of government we want We can therefore elect the government. So it's the rebirth of us, the tilianism, particularly in the Enlightenment Which is which gives us kind of the the the capitalist the free sort of self-confidence Yes, that's the that's the thing that I think it's really been lacking recently I mean, I find it really bizarre as well because with with the advent of the internet My god, if you think you can make something happen, then you have every tool you will ever need Literally at the end of your fingertips. Absolutely, but think about the heirs of Plato The heirs of Plato in my mind today are the post of the post con the post Kantians Ultimately the postmodernist and the what are the postmodernist teaching our kids at every university pretty much in all? Reality doesn't exist. Your mind is impotent and futile So why even try the only the only comfort you can get is by joining your little racial or ethnic group Whatever so whatever the group happens to be but you somehow when we're in a group We have knowledge how are we gonna get that knowledge? Well, we're not so we're gonna just have to go to our philosopher king the professor or whatever And he's gonna give it to us and it's not in this world because again this world doesn't exist They said what we're seeing is a recycling over and over again throughout history of Plato's ideas and different geysers and They are destructive to exactly individual confidence because if you lose confidence in your mind if you're told that reason is impotent You're dead you're finished right and and that's that's the key that is the rediscovery of reason the rediscovery of Aristotle The and until we have Aristotle in a sense anchored in our humanities And until we reject the postmodernism and everything really since Kant and and I know you've you've you've kind of Red ominous parallel So yeah, and and and a whole chain from Kant to Hegel to Schopenhauer to Marx that ultimately Nietzsche to Heidegger and to the to the foquas and all the ridiculous postmodernists It's all one chain. Yeah, and it's all one chain in It's just variations of On on Plato's spin and what Kant does is he modernizes Plato and he makes him seem more sophisticated But it's still the same stuff and until we reject that We're stuck


Hello, thanks for joining me on issues and answers. I am Julie Tepiton with me is Dr. Zenta D'Obizon, head of certification at the Saint Lucia Bureau of Standards, and over the next 20 minutes, our discussion will focus on World Accreditation Day. Dr. D'Obizon, thanks for joining me on the program. Thanks for having me. Every year, the world marks June 9th as World Accreditation Day. And here in Saint Lucia, your agency, the Saint Lucia Bureau of Standards, spares activities to raise awareness of accreditation. What really is accreditation? Okay, basically, what happens is that most persons, they use the word certification and accreditation together. And I'm hoping that by the end of this interview, that persons would have a better understanding of what accreditation is. It's really a process by which formal recognition is given by an independent third party that a conformity assessment body is competent to carry out the activities that it is carrying out. And when I say conformity assessment body, I'm speaking about inspection bodies, certification bodies and certification bodies, the certified products, processes, services, and even persons. For SLBS, we do process, product, and service certification. We do not do certification of persons. Another example of a conformity assessment body is a laboratory. And you have different kinds of laboratories. You have medical laboratories, and you also have testing and calibration laboratories. So as I said, it's basically a process where those entities receive recognition that they are competent to carry out their activities. Now, as the agency spearheading the observance of World Accreditation Day, which is on June 9th, what is really your role in that process? The over the last 10 to 15 years, the Karakam Regional Organization for Standards and Quality Cross-Cube, what they have done is to establish what you call national accreditation focal points within the various Karakam countries. And most of these focal points rest within the different Bureau of Standards. And the SLBS is the National Accreditation Focal Point. And over those last years, through, of course, the use of funds from the EU, what they have done is to train those focal, those persons within the focal points. And the focal point, what it does is to provide support, of course, to the various conformity assessment bodies that want to receive accreditation. And it's a one, it's within the Bureau, it's within the certification departments. And having been trained in the requirements of some of the standards, we are more or less equipped to provide information, which is why we have in the training, which we'll speak about later, to raise awareness on what accreditation is, why the need for accreditation, the importance of accreditation. In order for an organization, for example, to become accredited, what are some of the prerequisites? What is the standard we're looking for, the Bureau of Standards? Okay. Well, to become accredited, it depends on the type of body you are. If you're a laboratory, there are two standards, international standards, the laboratories are to be guided by. A medical laboratory, there's ISO 15189. And for testing and calibration laboratories, it's another standard, 17.025. If you're an inspection body, there's another standard. If you're a certification body, there's 17.065. The Bureau of Standards, our certification body, we work, of course, in keeping with the requirements of that particular standard. So to become certified, of course, you would first of all have to know what the standard requires, which one applies to you, what it requires. You would have to implement the requirements of that particular standard. And once you've done so, of course, you can, through the national accreditation focal point at the SLBS, you can seek assistance as to which accreditation bodies you can use for that purpose. Now, why would you say accreditation being given so much prominence? Accreditation, it's very important because what it does, it more or less ensures that there's integrity, impartiality and competence in carrying out your various activities. It also facilitates trade because, as you know, with the testing and calibration laboratories, if a product is tested and has to be exported, if the testing is done by an accredited laboratory, once tested, accepted everywhere, so when that product is exported, the manufacturers do not have to undergo another cost of the product being retested overseas. It's important in that different regulators as well use accreditation. And there are various interesting examples throughout the world. I can give a few, like in Dubai, for example, lifeguards, they have to be certified in order to work on the beaches. And so that certification has to come from a certification body that is accredited to perform in certification of persons. If you look at in the UK again, when it comes to asbestos, the use of asbestos in commercial entities, the inspection bodies who actually do the inspections of those buildings, they have to be certified to do that sort of inspection activity. In test-stabbing and fast-bestos, the test has to be done by an accredited laboratory as well. So there are quite a few examples of the use of accreditation internationally. Is it possible that a person or an organization can become delisted from the accreditation list or be stripped off that sort of certification and what would give rise to that occasion? Well, definitely, because to become certified, of course, to become accredited, you have to be guided by a particular standard.  And once certified, of course, that body would undergo what you call, every year they would have to undergo an assessment. Now if within the certification year, you have various complaints about that entity, different things, various complaints, if for example, an audit, sometimes they may do surprise audits as well. So if a surprise audit is carried out and they recognize that they're not in keeping with the requirements of the standard, of course they can be delisted. And most accreditation bodies, they would actually, if you go on their website, they would actually list those organizations that have received accreditation. Now we're looking at the topic of capacity and that often comes up. How much capacity is there in San Lucia to support organizations in accreditation? Well I must say over the last, again, 10 to 15 years, there was a lot of focus on medical labs where through the national accreditation focal points and even through cross queue, there was a lot of training, a lot of personnel from those labs received training. Sometimes it would require traveling to different countries to receive that particular training, be it on the requirements of the standard. And also we have collaborated, sometimes we make presentations on what accreditation is. So that support mechanism is there. If of course we are not experts in everything, so if there's a need for a particular area that the labs are finding problems with, like measurement and certainty is a very complicated issue which I myself, I really don't understand. But we can source personnel from the different Caribbean countries because it's a whole network of supports that does exist within the Caricam countries, of course through cross queue and funds from the European Union. Well we are due for a break now, you're watching issues and answers, the program returns after the break.  My contractor isn't dumb, I trust that he will not build anything on your property. Where is your proof? Let's go to court. This situation does not require you to go to court. Looks like we have to go through mediation here. Mediation is a way people resolve conflicts like this. Someone, a third party, comes to speak to both parties. This person is called the mediator. The mediator is impartial. He or she makes sure that communication between both parties is effective and efficient. So the mediator is a judge? No, the mediator is not a judge. Mediators, unlike judges, do not decide cases or impose settlements. Let me get a mediator to handle this retaining wall and that kitchen. Kitchen? Yes. Your kitchen also falls on my land. Let me call the mediator. Welcome back. You are watching Issues and Answers and my guest is Dr. Zendh Dobizor, Head of Certification at the Saint Lucia Bureau of Standards. Dr. Dobizor, the SLBS as the name implies is primarily concerned with the standards on ensuring that goods and services comply with international regulations. And of course accreditation is very much part of your mandate. How much work has gone into accreditation on the island? Well, first of all, we don't have an accreditation body in Saint Lucia. And even through the work of Croscue, of course, we're trying to look at how resources can be efficiently utilized. So there's no need to have an accreditation body within every country. So what Croscue has done is to establish two accreditation bodies in Trinidad and in Jamaica. And this is in an effort to reduce the cost of becoming accredited because to become accredited when you apply to the accreditation bodies, those persons sometimes come all the way from the US, they come from different areas from Europe. And so to reduce that cost, those two accreditation bodies have been established within the region to reduce the cost of accreditation. And so at the SLBS, the NAFPs there, National Accreditation Focal Point, to provide whatever assistance is necessary. And as I said, if we do not have the information, if a lab requests a specific information, we would actually, through our networking, source that information. We can tell you which accreditation body, for example, has received what you call Mutual Recognition because, of course, you have the accreditation body who would oversee the labs, the certification body, the inspection bodies. So we have a question now who will look at the accreditation bodies. So there's a process of peer assessment. So the different accreditation bodies throughout the world, they do what you call peer assessments of each other so that each accreditation body will carry out the same activity in the same, the same way. You have uniformity in procedures in the way things are done. And believe you, there's the various standards for everything. They are actually guided by a particular standard. And so recognizing that, of course, there's no need to set up one in Senusia because, of course, it won't be cost effective. Support is there at the Bureau for the labs if they wish to seek accreditation. That's very good. So there's close collaboration between the organization and the related organizations. Definitely. Now let's speak about the upcoming observance, which is on June 9th, World Accreditation Day. What are some of the activities that the Bureau will be undertaking to mark that observance? The activity on June 14th, we have been an awareness training for testing and calibration labs. And we're targeting them because last year we targeted the medical labs. So this year we're focusing on testing and calibration labs. So we have invited both laboratories from the private and the public sector. And the reason that we have done that, chosen those labs, is because we have a national diagnostic facility that's soon to be completed. And so we recognize the need, of course, some we preach quality. If you're doing something right, you start doing it right the first time. So which is why we actually sensitize them to the requirements of the standard so that when they start working, they could start working with the standard, start implementing it. And so the training, it's a one-day training, of course hosted by the SLBS. And that particular standard, ISO 17.025, it's particular requirements for the competence of testing and calibration labs. So it focuses on what a lab, how a lab needs to operate with the end goal of having accurate and reliable tests. And so it looks at the environment, the lab environment. It looks at the suitability of the equipment that they use, how the equipment is maintained. It looks at things related to the measurement, traceability of measurements and whatever calibration data that they use, the competence of the personnel as well, quality assurance that's being done. So the standard touches on that, as well as we're going to focus on, there's what you call a stepwise improvement process that if a lab wishes to seek accreditation, this is how these are the steps that you take. So it more or less makes the process easier instead of being overwhelmed with this standard and not knowing what to do. So we would also focus on that during the training. Now, you've articulated the importance of accreditation and the role of the Bureau in that regard. What sort of challenges are you confronted with in terms of getting people to embrace the importance of accreditation? Okay, the problem or the challenge that we actually have been, and we recognize the need for regulators to understand what accreditation is and how they could actually use accreditation to make their work easier. For example, let's give an example like you would have a regulator that's responsible, say for monitoring water quality. Now a way accreditation can be used is that if what has been tested, then the lab needs to become accredited so that you as a regulator would not have to do too much monitoring to verify that the lab is doing what it's supposed to be doing and that you can actually rely on those results coming out of the lab. Two weeks ago, we had a session on the really the use of standards as far as establishing technical regulations and whatnot, and so I guess in the future, the SLBS would definitely be looking at how we could target those regulators, government, for example, and the way that they can actually use standards to make work easier for them. And that would go for also for the private sector as well as the regulatory agencies? Yeah, because you have private labs, you have private inspection bodies, well we don't have private certification bodies, the only certification body is at the Bureau of Standards, and so we do have a lot of work still to do with accreditation. No doubt, we are running out of time, so perhaps you would want to see a few final words. Well, as far as the day is concerned, the observance of World Accreditation Day and your own role as a Bureau of Standards in ensuring that more persons come and go. Yeah, so next week is just the beginning of a very, I guess, important activity. We would have the training with the labs, and of course there would be follow-up. So if the lab needs added assistance, we would try to walk them through the process of accreditation. And I am hoping that, of course, all the labs that we have invited, because we're trying to have an attendance of about 20, 25 persons. So I'm hoping that everybody recognizes the need. And the training is for free, so I mean, why not? So we have already invited those persons to attend, and so I'm hoping that we would have a successful activity next week, and it will just be the start of something very important. Thank you, Dr. Dubizon. Well, we've exhausted our time on the issues and answers today. My guest has been Dr. Dubizon, who has had a certification at the St. Lucia Bureau of Standards, who so ably educated us on the importance of accreditation and the role of the Bureau in that regard. I also want to thank you for watching. Until next time, I'm Julia Tepita.


To take your health back, we are coming to you live from and from the studios of think tech Hawaii, which is located in downtown Honolulu. Today I have invited a returning to my show. He's a dear friend. His name is Anthony Crisco, who is the developer of a fashionator roller. What is a fashionator roller? And what is fascia? Well, that's what we're going to be discussing today. We're going to learn all about that right here on this show. We're also going to learn about fascia self care during this pandemic. Just know that your fashion needs you. So you need your fascia and he'll explain that to us later. We want to ask you, are you doing all the important things for your physical and mental health during this time of uncertainty? Ask yourself that and be honest now. One thing is certain. The fashionator method of rolling will empower you to boost your immune system, improve your mobility, reduce your age and activity related aches and pains without the need for medication or invasive procedures. All from your home. And I'm all for that. Now, did I get your attention or what? So let's get started and get Anthony Crisco on and going. As we welcome him, Mr. Fashionator himself. Welcome Anthony Crisco. Aloha, how are you? Aloha and welcome back.  And I know that for a fact, because wherever I walk and wherever I am, if I see somebody limping or rubbing their leg or arm, I'm like, Anthony, you got to find this guy or like, Hey, and I give him my number. Hey, give me a call. I can introduce you to someone who can help you feel a lot better. So let's get started. So why is your fashionator different than a typical foam roller, Anthony? Well, it's funny you ask. I haven't had one right here. Yay. There's a fashionator and you'll notice it's smaller and hear that it's a lot firmer than your typical foam roller. What we've learned over the last eight years since we invented the fashionator is most of these foam rollers, they're too soft. I'll give you an example.   It's just like, it's not working. Well, I do a lot of private one on one sessions. And a lot of the times these people have their old rollers ready to go. And as soon as they use a fashionator, they're like, geez, this thing, it's amazing. I've never felt this much release with my old roller. So that's the difference. It's smaller, which allows our seniors in particular to have a better center of gravity on the floor so they don't worry about falling over. But more importantly, the diameter, the size is designed to fit in these smaller spaces. As you can see in the next slide, there's an image here, but just four basic positions that we do. And as you can see in the top left one, that's this area in the neck. It's called the sternocleidomastoid.  We use that technique to help people with vertigo, tinnitus, Bell's palsy, idiopathic coughing, as well as vagus nerve issues, which affect the organs. The other one where you're laying on the underarm here for the shoulder area, latissimus area, that's to help people with frozen shoulder, but it also helps women with edema in their arms who had lymph node removal surgery for breast cancer. And then on the bottom, we know lots of people who have arthritic hands and arthritic conditions, they can't close their hand or they have deputant's contracture. It's like a deformation of the palm. We use those areas on the forearm to free up the hands and improve their mobility and their strength as well. So as you can see, that's just a sample.  That has been used to help many, many people get rid of their sciatica.  You know, when I was preparing for this, I was thinking, hey, we should point a term called zoom butt. I got zoom butt, you know, because I'm on zoom all day long.  True story, me too.  It's not fun, right? And we don't want to look old, feel old. We just want to keep going as best as we can and we got to take care of that fascia.  So now during this COVID pandemic, how would or how have you adjusted your outreach to help our community? Well, as you know, we used to have the most packed class at the former Honolulu Club and sadly it closed, you know, our hearts were broken. But because of these changes that were out of our control, we said, you know, how do we get to our people and help them maintain themselves? So just like the rest of the world, we said, well, why don't we try this zoom thing out? And so yes, ever since the first lockdown in March, I've been teaching my zoom classes six days a week, and it's an hour long. And as you can see on the slide there, that's what the zoom class looks like. The view that you see there is the gallery view where you can see every single person. Right. The zoom class works when I'm teaching it, I put it on the spotlight. So yes, I'm in the spotlight. And what my students who would come to my live classes said after starting the zoom during the lockdown. They said, you know, Anthony, I learned so much more in the zoom class because number one, I'm home and I can see your whole body and the bright. And I can hear you and I don't have to try to peek over the crowds of people that got here before me. So the benefit is we're helping our seniors and our loved ones and our friends that we had at the club. We're still helping them maintain their health, not just physically, but mentally as well because I'm sure you all know during this time there's been a rise in depression and drug use and drinking and anxiety. Well, your fascia when you care for it, it cares for you by reducing your stress levels. Wow. And I'm so grateful that you're continuing to have your classes on zoom, but I got to ask you do you miss all the, the moaning and the groaning you know like when we start rolling our body I tell people your body doesn't hurt when you just touch it. But when you start rolling it out and opening up the fascia. I tell you your body is saying, thank you, thank you, and they just such sounds or size of relief that you're actually paying attention to the most important organ in your body. So I was wondering, do you miss all that moaning and groaning in the class. It's funny you mentioned that the best part about zoom is someone who's moaning a little too much. Okay, that would be me. Okay, so the fashionator method does not just target the muscles. Can you tell us what other structures a fashionator and fashionator method target. Hello, I have a model and we have the actual slide so if you can see this slide here, what you're looking at is a representation of how the arteries, nerves, veins and lymphatic vessels travel throughout your body, and that loofah that you're looking at. That's your lower leg. All those blood vessels and nerves and arteries and veins are traveling through your body surrounded by this tissue the fascia that just so you know wraps every cell and every, every structure in your body. So if you look at the top part of that image you can tell where the blue arrow is it is slightly crimped or being smashed because the sponge is dry. Do you see how it's kind of compressed. Yes. Well, that compression of blood vessels and nerves and lymphatic vessels that can lead to edema or swelling that can lead to neuropathy or numbness and tingling and hands and feet. It can also lead to other blood supply issues where you're not getting oxygen to your tissues right you're letting bad things happen and we don't have to go into detail. All you have to do is go to the store and look at people's feet. They got purple feet, varicose veins they're wearing leg braces that doing all these things because they're ignoring the fascia. Yes, I see that all the time and I feel so much as I tapped him on the shoulder and I said hey, how are you doing today and if they start talking to me, Anthony, I just, I tell them all about fascia and what they should be doing. And if they're open to it that's how I get people to start taking their health back. So yes, I'm the one that will tap someone on the shoulder to get them help. I think it's so important. Back to that slide one more time because I want to talk about what happens after you roll.  Yeah. So what happens when we roll the tissues, the body sucks up more fluid into those fascial structures that allows the tissue to hydrate, which then removes that internal pressure off of the artery veins nerves lymphatic vessels so this is how we restore circulation, improve mobility, decrease pain sensitivity and basically enjoy overall well being of healthy goodness. I'm a firm believer in this and I you don't know how many people I share this with because doing trade shows and standing on your feet all day for eight or 10 hours. I used to take aspirin to take away the pain. No more since I met you no more aspirin no more anything because I just roll it out and they go really is that all you got to do I'm like yes, your body just needs you to need it. Exactly that Anthony. Yes. And it's not like even with the hand thing. It's the whole idea of rolling it evenly and opening up the circulation so heck I'm a believer. Thank you very much. Yes, you know we hear a lot about the lymphatic drainage and inflammation. Can you explain to our viewers what the fashionator does with regards to the lymphatic system. Very good. Yes. So in the image here you can see the lymph capillaries and those lymphatic vessels they live within in between the tissue spaces.  So we just had a big downpour yesterday right. And I noticed in my own gutter, there was some debris clogging the gutter as it was going to the street. So I took out the valve and I dug out the weeds that were growing in there. And guess what kind of water came out guess what color that water was. I don't even want to guess. Yeah. It was stagnant. So to answer your question, when we are stagnant because we can't move because of this lockdown, old cellular waste builds up in our lymphatic system. So I want you to think it's like if you cleaned the fish you just went fishing you clean that fish, but you left the fish carcass in your rubbish in your kitchen for five days. How would that happen? Yeah, not good. So rolling your tissues, especially in the lymphatic areas and yes our program focuses on the lymphatic areas on the hip area in the abdominal space and the underarm and neck. So when we drain and facilitate these natural processes, our body purges that cellular waste at a higher rate. It's filtered through your lymph nodes. And then that clean fluid is allowed to return back to those structures. And what that does it decreases the level of inflammatory waste. I imagine if I had too much of these old waste products that my cells were producing my body will trend towards inflammation. But if I remove some of these blockages and improve my filtration and my circulation, then I have a higher rate of clean fluid nurturing my tissues instead of stagnating my tissues does that make sense.  I mean just no different than myself. I've learned so much from you and the simpleness of taking care of this body as we get older because, you know, I always tell people, I'm not afraid to tell people my age, because it's just a number. But how do you feel as we get older as we accumulate numbers. That's what matters to me. I don't care if I'm 80 and I want to be pain free drug free and surgery free. And that's the direction I'm working towards. That's why I value what you have. And that's why I said you got to come on to this show as often as you can to help others take their health back because it just is it's simple, but they have to want wanted. Right. When they wanted it, they'll be successful at it. It's so funny you mentioned that because isn't it true Wendy, the people who really find us are the people who at their wits end or on their last leg and they've tried everything.  Right. And no pun intended right Anthony on their last leg. Right. Exactly. Right. Because what is the source if they don't fix that fashion and then they get colors of black and blue and then amputation. A lot of times would be an option.  Because you can help that. And I've seen you do it so many times Anthony. So I'm just excited for people to just receive this knowledge. So, again, I know from a personal experience that you would pack any facility, whenever I went to a class it would be like okay I got to get there early because I got to save that little, you know, spot, my favorite spot. So I'm excited but now you're teaching totally on zoom. So what. So tell me what do your zoom clients say about their ability to learn in this format now not from your point of view from their point of view. What is their responses. Well, number one, they're like, you know, I don't have to wake up early and get dressed. I don't have to drive anywhere. I don't have to look for parking. I roll out of bed and I crawl on the floor. That's the first thing. So it saves time for them. Number two, they can see my full body doing all the positions, whereas in a live class, let's say the class is 50 feet long and crowded like all these classes you see here. Sometimes people like to stay in the back because like, you know, I just, I just want to be in the back but if you're in the back, you can't see the techniques so the zoom class allows people even the shy people to be able to get the most out of the techniques. And then within the zoom there's a little chat box and they can send us little questions and no one has to know and we can answer them offline. And of course during this day and age. The last thing you want is 25 other people breathing around you because you don't know who's got what right now. So it offers that safe space where you can breathe and we actually do practice deep breathing exercises as well as extra stretching, because as we get more people involved and they keep showing up over and over. And the standard rolling routine is pretty much everyone knows it. And that allows me to expound on other things, whether it's eating, you know, what are foods against inflammation, whether it's extra stretching, whether we talk about the diaphragm and breathing muscles and how the mechanics of breathing works. I even ordered a full size skeleton that stays behind me when I'm teaching my class. Well, what about my rib I go come here Steve I called my skeleton Steve, and I use my skeleton and this zoom format as a place to teach not just fashion, not just rolling, but trying to teach everyone about how amazing their bodies are. Yes, and that's exactly what I got out of every class you not you you take it down to our level. I know you got a lot of education out of Harvard for this, but you take it down to our level so we can understand it and we understand the hip bone is connected to the leg bone you don't need to just just in my head whenever you're learning all this I hear that song. And so it makes it more enjoyable, and it sticks into my head because I truly understand what you're trying to teach us and share with us. You know, I know that you you you've got a great local following here but I also understand that you toured Germany in the beginning of February of 2020. What was this trip about. And can you share with us about what you learned. Absolutely well this trip that I went to Germany was part of the fashion net plastination project, and I was on the team of people that are helping with the dissection, but also we were there to learn the latest science and fascia. For example, did you know they are over 250 million sensory receptors in the fashion organ itself. The other thing we did so if you can see on the image there the gentleman in the black hat there. His name is Gunther von Hagens, he is the guy who started this whole plastination of human beings. So if you remember the bodies exhibit where they had all those bodies that were molded into different shapes. Well, this was the actual facility where the bodies are prepared. And this trip I went on it was my second time there in two years, because it's the first project where they're actually plastinating the fascial pieces of these of these cadavers so we have this first cadaver that they were working on since 2018 it was a female. And on our trip there we were given a second cadaver to do another dissection of the fascial structures. This time it was a male so the whole goal of this plastination project is kind of like what you're helping us do is to teach the importance of fascia to not just our local communities but to the whole world because again, this is changing the game and how modern medicine functions. And we like to say, wouldn't you like to take care of yourself as best you can.  Wow, so empowering I tell you, wherever I go as I said I was helping I was volunteering at Chef Chai's restaurant the other day and one of the volunteers came in and said, Oh, I think I have got my I have all my joints are in pain. And then he said it was diagnosis the beginning stages of arthritis. And then I'm like, Oh, I got to just listen to everything he tells me I just got to, you know, just receive it. Before I can start, you got it, you got me Anthony, and I'm even wanting to have him do a class with you and so we're in the process of him finding the time to do that, because he's still very hard at work, where he does work, as he is an essential worker. So I will get him to your class one one day and I'll let you know when.  But I know that your wife Eileen wrote the book pain free every day. I mean that book must be flying off the shelf because everybody's probably wanting to be pain free every day. Can you tell us about what will our viewers learn and where do they order this book. All right, well, this book was written to help people understand not just what we talked about in the one hour class but it goes down a whole nother level into how the body's cells function against tension. If you have stiff muscles and tissues, those tissues squeeze the cell, those cells can actually distribute different signals and trend again towards inflammation, and even cancer, where if you modulate the tension and neutralize the the inflammation, your body can have a tendency to trend towards inflammation and cancer and mutation rather, it likes to say the same functioning person that we always were and the book also goes deeper into, you know, how do you breathe properly.  How do you appreciate what's in front of you. Do you get out in nature and ground yourself with the earth.  So this book, again, every day, pain free every day, that's the goal. In order to reach that goal. She lays out the framework and the guidelines in order for you to be successful to be pain free every day. It also is a little chapter in there, my favorite chapter talks about when we first met when we were nine years old. So cute. That's the best chapter of course that's the beginning of it all right. Right, right, right. And you know that book as simple as it is just telling you go into the ocean hug the ocean that the ocean hug you. That's so key. And it's free guys it's free going into the ocean and not just going in the ocean. But I believe walking barefoot on the sand, and in the ocean with the vitamin D around us. I think in all combination adds to better health, and in itself. That's what I try to do every day. And you know, I'm not a gym person so it doesn't this beach concept really resonates well with me and that's why I still boogie born a few times a week as much as I can. And I try to encourage people to take your slippers off and walk on the beach on the sand in the water, and that in itself, another great tip for all of us to do just get out there more often. And it's free. Bottom line it's free. Right. So, I talk all the time about fashion, fashion later classes and the concepts of. So how can our viewers start taking care of their fashion. Now, help us out let us know where we can get all this information. If you're watching right now screenshot this slide here that's all the information for our fashion later classes you can contact me at my cell number here 227 6221. You could also email us at the fashion later.com and remember, don't forget the FAS CIA. You'll get the a it'll be the wrong web address. And you can also register for our zoom classes on the link below. All you have to do is type it in your web browser and click it and it gives you all instructions will give you the zoom number the password. And you can even order at what we call the total inflammation package, which includes a face roller. Yeah, my favorite and the fashionator, as well as your choice of either the instructional DVD and or the downloadable link for the electronic version of the instructional manual. This is the time you guys to take care of yourselves. What does the future hold, none of us know, but all we know is what we can do for ourselves. And let's take care of your fashion that's the first thing that I'm trying to do for all of us.  I have to get up and I have I don't even put my mat away anymore. I'm sorry guys, no one's here I have my mat out all the time, and I'm looking at it right now and so whenever I feel something like I need to take a break.  And the best part is when I ended with my head. Guys you have no idea what I'm talking about right now but trust me. It's better than a one hour massage, you're doing it in the comfort of your home it's safe. It's secure, and it's the best feeling you're going to get especially when you stand up. You just feel like a brand new person and then I come back and I get I refreshed and I get back to work. So, if I didn't believe in it so greatly I wouldn't have asked Anthony to keep coming back on this show so he could get the word out but it truly is taking your health back and you have total control of that. And when there's one more thing, the sense of community that I've noticed with my mind students, some of them log in 15 minutes early, and we in Ohio and Florida, Arizona, I even have a woman in Taiwan who logs in we even have someone from Argentina. And we have a gentleman he's 79 years old, he logs in at my 630 night class 630pm. It's already in Maine it's already 1230 in the evening but he's logging in. And guess what, everyone is talking about what they're doing in their yard and they're not only are we providing this outlet for health, but it's outlet of community for our seniors, especially. And that's so important and we miss that so much Anthony and so thank you for, for bringing that to all of us as well through your program, and we're getting well as well as we're doing it together, we're getting more well. And so thank you. Thank you. And you know, I'm so excited about this next thing I want to talk to you about I understand that you also expanded your fashion eater program to the dogs and their owners, because the dogs are buddies they needed to. So what is petting with purpose. And do you have any stories about how it helped both dogs or the dogs and their owners. Oh, yes.   Guess what. No more leaking bladder. Yeah. I'll remind you that the vets told her your dog has one year to live and that was two years ago so petting with purpose is me teaching dog owners about the anatomy of their dogs, including the fascia.  That's what it's all about. So important was allowed by Ali animal hospital the brand new veterinary hospital right off the ward so thank you very much for that. Yay, right on they needed to. So Anthony as we winding our show down. We know that there are a lot of individuals that don't like to use the computer or iPad to get the information. What are you offering those folks who prefer the one on one individualized rolling sessions. And what else does the private session entail. Well, when we have someone who's like I don't want to do the computer can you come over and as you can see here, I take images I take pictures of my clients as after I teach them how to do these things with towels or other modalities. And of course when I'm rolling them out we're both masked and typically the doors are open the wind is blowing, but what this does it allows those people that they don't want to get on the computer they'd rather see me in person. I go I put my mask on. I have my alcohol spray bottle so everything sanitize and I'm still able to bring health to those people who don't want to use the computer and the private session it's about an hour long. And it depends on what you bring to the table. If I need to start slow, we start slow. If you want to learn more, then I give you what you asked for but other than that is smooth as silk. So though for those of you take that screenshot of all that information so that you know how to get in touch with Anthony or get in touch with us at think tech by and we will get you connected so that you can take your health back with fashionator and rolling out your bodies. So but for right now Anthony, our time has come to an end and we must say goodbye and Aloha and continue doing the great work that you've always been doing. We appreciate you we mahalo you Anthony. Aloha. Thank you. Aloha.


I've been friends with Michael now for almost 40 years, friendship that began back in the fall of 1979. So I've been there from the beginning when the stuff that he used to talk about was nothing but dreams, right? But to know where he's come from and hear the news today, which I was sorry I heard on Twitter or so on Twitter, and to see the success these had while being the exact same person that he was back in 1979, the exact same person. Well, he was a little chubbier back then, but as a person. It's impossible for me to express, I guess, the pride and the happiness that I have for him. And the reason, or one of the main reasons, is how hard he's worked to get where he's at. Now, obviously he's talented, but it's the hard work that started way back then that makes today, hearing the news today about the Hall of Fame so gratifying to every one of us who know him. Well, why do you want to make me cry? I don't want to make you cry. Just wanted to say that. Well, that's very nice. So no response. Now we move on to something else.


What we're about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.  You're assigned a juvenile detail. For the past two weeks, there have been rumors of a teenage gang war taking place in your city. You don't know when it's going to start. You don't know where. Your job? Stop it. This is the September the 8th. It's warm in Los Angeles. We were working the night to watch out a juvenile detail. For partners, Frank Smith, the boss is Captain Powers. My name's Friday. We just transported a prisoner from the main jail. It was 10.39 p.m. when we got to Georgia Street Juvenile. The interview room. Sit down, Angelo. Yeah. What, they called you Angie? Yeah, Angie. Why'd you tell the officers who arrested you that you were 18? How'd they find out different? All they had to do was check your record. Well, don't make any difference. Some of them say 16. Some say 17. They're all different.  Yeah, 17. All right. You want to tell us about this burglary? I told the other guys. Ain't that enough? We want to hear it. Don't figure if you tell it once that's enough, I told them all about it. Why don't you ask them? All right, boy. Give us a story. You got a match? You'd better if you don't smoke, don't you think? Well, my folks don't care. They let me smoke. The law doesn't until you're 18. Oh, yeah. Come on, Angie. Tell us about it. There's nothing to tell. Ain't a couple other kids broke into a house. It's all there is to it. We just broke into the place. What about the stuff you took? I told the other two guys all about that. The officers in burglary? Yeah, they said it was from Central. I told them all about it, everything. You showed them where the plant was? I told them. I didn't go there, though. What'd you steal? Huh? The things you stole. Name them for us. Just different stuff. You know, like you're finding a house. All kinds of stuff. Was it an electric mixer? Yeah, good one. You know, an orange juice attachment. Good. What else? Electric razor. Some silverware? What kind of silverware?  Was there a silver tea service? A what? A tea service. You know what I mean? If I knew, I wouldn't ask you. Like a coffee pot with legs. A lot of scroll work on it. Silver, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. Oh, was it one of those? No. How about a German Luger? It wasn't one of them. Hey, you guys gonna let me out tonight? No, you'll be held here. Well, I thought you was gonna let me go tonight. How about my folks? They know I'm here? We haven't had a chance to notify them yet. Where they live? Down on Wall. They have a phone? Uh-uh. I thought you always told them when you picked up a kid. You were booked as an adult. Oh, yeah. You fenced any of the stolen merchandise yet? No, we just got it last night. We just broke into the house and haven't had a chance to fence it. The other officers say they're gonna pick it up? Yeah. You got a job? What? I said are you working? I told you I did. What do you do? I'm a messenger. Ride a bike. Delivery thing. You're working there now? I'm here now. You know what I mean? No. You're not working then? The boss and me had a beef. He's moody with two. Real moody. Your parole officer know you lost the job? I never told him. Well, maybe he found out. Maybe that's why he was sore at you. Yeah. You've been reporting regular? Yeah, pretty much. What's that mean? Once in a while, a couple of times, I missed just a couple. Don't have to make a federal case out of it. My parole officer know about this arrest? I think he's been notified. How many times have you been arrested? I don't know. Six, seven? You ever been to camp? Yeah, I was there. What for? Truancy. How long were you there? Couple of weeks. And I broke out and he sent me to Preston. I'm on parole now. You can't let me out tonight, huh? Well, book you and notify your officer. What's his name? Lockridge. The moody old guy. He ain't in the mood when he sees me. Rough if he's in the mood. Is that right? Yeah. Like he came down to see me one day and asked me how I was doing. I told him fine. I had a job. I was doing fine. He says, that's good, Angie. Like that. That's good. Next day he comes to my house and reads me off. Says I'm a bum. I'm no good. All like that. Moody. Why do you read you off? I don't know. Didn't he tell you? No, he just came in and yelled at me. I wasn't doing anything. He's moody. You belong to a gang, Angie. Huh? I said you belong to a gang. Yeah, we got a club. I'm along to that. What's the name of the club? Little Wall Street gang. You heard of it? No. A good club. You sure you ain't heard of it? No. How about you? No. You're getting fight much? What do you mean fight? You ever get mixed up in gang wars or anything like that? No, no, not us. We've been in a couple of street fights, maybe. You know, some kids come over to where we are and start trouble, but we've never been in a gang wars. We got a good gang. You know anybody that belongs to pink rats? A couple of guys. I don't know them real well. Who are they? I told you. I don't know them real well. Just to know them when I see them, you know, like that. You don't know any of the names, huh? They want them to call Pinky. That's all I know. Look, why are you asking me about them? Well, we got a rumble that they're cooking up a gang war. I wondered if you know anything about it. What'd you hear it? I wouldn't tell you if it wasn't right. No, look, Angie, if this thing breaks loose, there's going to be a lot of kids hurt. If you've got no part in it, why don't you give us a story? I'm giving it to you. Ain't nothing more I can tell you. I didn't hear nothing about no war. I told you, I belong to the Little Wall Street gang. We don't get mixed up in no wars. A couple of street fights, maybe, but no wars. You going to stand on that? I haven't got any other way. What did you hear? What did you hear about the rats? About the war, I mean. Who are they going to fight? Oh, it comes to us. They're going to cut into the orchids. You mean from the south side? Yeah. They're rough guys. That's what we hear. How did it start? What do you mean? What's a beef? The orchids won't go that far away from home to stage something. Got to be a reason. You guys know what it is? From the way we got it, a girlfriend of one of the orchid gang moved over into the Pink Rat territory. We started to go with one of the rats. The orchids didn't like it, so they drove over one night and beat up another rat. The next night, the rats went over the south side and kicked around one of the orchids. That's the way it started. A couple of nights ago, one of the rat kids was riding down the street on the motorbike. A car full of orchids came up alongside the boy before he could do anything about it.  Killing? No. He's still in the county hospital. He's not doing too well. We've got word there's going to be a party this Saturday night at one of the rats' house. We figure maybe that's where the trouble's going to be. You're not throwing any coconuts at me. Well, this is for real? That's the way we get it. Those kids get started and something's going to get hurt real bad. Maybe a lot worse than you've got to figure. What do you mean? I heard about the job the orchids did last week. No. They broke into a place and cleaned it out. Must have been for Saturday night. How do you mean? They stole a couple of rifles. Something worse. Yeah? 12-year shotgun. 10.45 p.m. Angelo Marcal was rebooked at Georgia Street juvenile on a charge of burglary. His shoes and his belt were taken from him and he was held in detention. We put in a call to his parole officer and told him what had happened. After that, we drove by Marcal's home to inform his parents of the arrest, but we found nobody there. We left our card with a notation asking him to call us when they returned. Before the Marcal boy had been placed in the cell, we'd gotten a description of the boy he knew as Pinky. After trying to contact Marcal's parents, we went up to the second floor of the juvenile division and had the record bureau check the nickname and description. We came up with three possibles. We pulled the mug shots of the boys and showed them to Angelo Marcal, but he was unable to give us an identification. It was difficult to tell if the boy was lying or telling us the truth to try to cover up for the members of the Pink Rat gang. The following afternoon, Wednesday, September 9th, Frank and I checked into the office and then we drove out to see the parents of the Marcal boy. They still hadn't returned and the neighbors told us that they had seen the couple drive away early Monday morning without giving any indication as to when they might return. We asked the woman who lived next door to call us when they did come back. 4.40 p.m. we drove over to the east side of town to check on the three possibles named Pinky that we'd turned up the previous night. All of the boys were able to prove to our satisfaction that they were not the Pinky we were after. We talked to the youngsters in the neighborhood, asking them if they knew anything about an expected gang war. Either they didn't know anything about it or they wouldn't tell us. 6.15 p.m. we went back to the office and put in a call to Central Burglary. Yeah, we haven't got the exact date. The way we got it, there are a couple of rifles taken in a 12-gauge shotgun. No, and a 12-gauge shotgun. Yeah. Sure, I'll wait. I'm checking the reports now. This is one tip I'd like to have turned bad, wouldn't you? Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, Rex? Mm-hmm. That'll be the 30, huh? Yeah. What's that? Yeah, I guess it might be. Won't help if it is. Right. Let us know, huh? Right. They got the reports. Guns are stolen on Tuesday, August 30th. They still haven't been able to get anything on it. Rifles were 30-ought-sixes. Your rifles, huh? Yeah. Olson says they got another report last night. Might mean something. Hardware store broken in two. What'd they take? Four boxes of 30-ought-six ammo. Three boxes of 12-gauge cartridges. It might have been a coincidence, but if it wasn't, the Orchid gang was armed with three guns and 225 rounds of ammunition. Enough to start and sustain a small war. 6.35 p.m., we contacted Lieutenant Hartgrove, the night watch commander, and he assigned two other teams of officers to work with us. In addition to the juvenile officers, radio units on a metro division, reserves, joined us in the search for members of the Orchid gang. The streets in the area were combed. Citizens in the area were questioned, but they failed to supply any information on the boys who belonged to the gang. The satin embroidered jackets the members of the Orchid gang wore had disappeared from the streets. At 12.01 a.m., the search was called off, and a broadcast was put out to the regular units in the area to be on the watch for any gang activities. 12.47 a.m., we got in touch with Rex Olson in Central Burgary. He told us at the crime lab it failed to come up with any physical evidence on the theft of ammunition from the hardware store. 1.20 a.m., Frank and I checked out of the ops and we went home. The following morning at 8.30 a.m., we got in touch with the juvenile informant, and he was able to give us more information on the expected gang war. He told us that the fight was set for Saturday night. He was unable to give us the exact address of the party that was to be crashed, but he did give us a general idea of the location. He was also able to give us the name Pinky Eggers and his address. He told us that the Eggers' boy was the leader of the Pink Rats and might be able to give us information on the membership of the Orchid gang. 12.40 p.m., Frank and I drove out to talk to the Eggers' boy. We checked his school, but he wasn't there. We went to his home. It was a small one-story frame building with a weathered picket fence surrounding it. The 1947 hopped up Ford was in the driveway. Frank and I went up on the porch and rang the bell. The yard could sure stand a clean enough. Yeah, one over the car belongs to him. I don't know. It sure looks fast. Yeah. Yeah? I'd like to see Pinky Eggers. Who are you? Police officers. Can't you lay off the kid? Why don't you quit rousing him? Is he here? No, he ain't here. And if he was, I don't think I'd let you see him. Is that his car? Yeah, it's his. Registered in his name? No one mind. Now what do you have to the kids for? I want to talk to him. Well, talk to me. I'm his father. Anything you have to say to him, you can tell me. Your boy belonged to a club called the Pink Rats gang. Why? Does he? You can answer no questions until you tell me why you're asking. Now, look, mister, we're not out here to pass a time of day. Your boy's mixed up in something that can turn out to be pretty serious. That's right. That's the way it is. Who says it's serious and what are you talking about? We got word that your boy's mixed up in a gang war that's going to break out this weekend.  Listen, there's a five-year-old kid down the street skating on the sidewalk.   We're trying to stop it. Well, don't bother. Pinky will take care of himself. The cars trouble. The rats can swing their end. You want to stop the beef? Go talk to the other kids. Tell them to lay off. My boy's gang is now looking for trouble, and he's fighting going on. You can talk to the other kids. You check them. Leave my boy alone. We want to talk to him, Mr. Eggers. You going to make a pinch? No. We just want to talk to him. Should have known you were going to take him today. Only two of you.  You try it. I'll haul you in every court in the country. Now get out of here. Where's your boy now? That's none of your business. I told you to get out. I understand, Eggers. This is a gang war. Your boy's helping to build it. Now you get off my property and don't come back. You hear me? Anything happens. Pinky can take care of himself. He'll be okay. Now you guys leave him alone. 3.15 p.m. Frank and I drove over to Pinky Eggers' school again. We spent the next two hours talking to the youngsters in the neighborhood. Those that would cooperate with us didn't have the information that we needed. The others refused to tell us anything. In the meantime, officers from 77th Street Division were checking on the activities of the Orchid Gang. They ran into the same evasive answers that we had. If the information we'd gotten was true, we had a little more than 48 hours to find the principles in the war before the shooting could start. Thursday night, 8.40 p.m., Frank and I met with Captain John Powers Lieutenant Hart Grove and the heads of the juvenile details throughout the city. From them we learned that word of the impending war had spread through the gangs in the separate districts. And that the other gangs were taking sides in the argument and were ready to start their own battles with factions who opposed them. Captain Powers, after the divisions, mapped the plan of action to be put into effect at the first sign of an outbreak. Additional cars from Metropolitan Division Reserves were to be ready if they were needed. Days off for all juvenile officers were canceled. The three-way radio contact would be kept open between all divisions on Saturday night. The area where the main activity was expected would be heavily patrolled both by beat men and by radio car officers. Once the operating plan was set up, there was little to do but wait. In the meantime, the search went on for members of the Orchid Gang and for Pinky Eggers, the leader of the Pink Raps. A watch had been placed on his home, but he failed to return. Friday, September 6th, 9.42 p.m. Frank and I checked with a burglary division on the stolen guns, then we went over to the New Yorker restaurant to get something to eat. Hi, Sal. Hey, Joe, call your office, and I just called you. Yeah, thanks. Order me the fish and chips, will you, Frank? Sure. How's it going, Sal? Not bad. Would you? Kind of rough. Where's Rosie? A friend of the kids went to the movies. Two, five, six, eight, please. Yeah, George, juvenile. Right. Friday. But when did it happen? Well, we'll get a pencil. Sal, hand me that menu, will you? Yeah. Here you are. All right, go ahead. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. Well, what do you want us to do? Yeah. May I know yet? Yeah, all right. No, we'll get right over there. Bye. Don't mind the food, Sal. What's the matter? Kids didn't wait until Saturday and just shot up Highland Park. What's the score? Still coming in. 11-year-old boy killed. The victim of the juvenile gang war was 11-year-old Tony Herman. The teenagers next door to the Herman house were having a party. At 9.36 p.m. Friday night, a group of youngsters had arrived at the house and tried to crash the party. A fist-fight had ensued, and Tony, who was doing his homework, next door had gone out to see what was causing the disturbance. As he stood on the porch, watching the fighting, a 12-gauge shotgun had been fired. The pellets from the cartridge had caught the youngster in the stomach and the abdomen, and he'd gone down. At the sound of the shot, the shooting had stopped and the party crashers had left the scene. The police had been called and Tony was removed to Georgia Street receiving hospital. He was dead on arrival. From the neighbors, descriptions of the party crashers had been obtained.  One of the people who saw the shooting said that the boy who'd fired the gun wore a jacket with a name, Jean, under the orchid design. A broadcast was gotten out immediately, along with a description of the car that the juveniles had used to escape. The parents of the Herman boy were not at home when the shooting occurred. From the neighbors, we found that they usually went to a movie on Friday night and they didn't return until after midnight. An officer was stationed at the house to bring them to the hospital when they returned. At 1.34 a.m., Mrs. Herman arrived at the hospital. She was a small, dark woman with graying hair. She didn't know what had happened. Frank and I met her in the hall. I want to see Sergeant Friday. Is he here? I'm Sergeant Friday, ma'am. Well, I'm Mrs. Herman. They say something's happened to Tony. Yes, ma'am. You want to step in here? Might be a little better to talk. All right. Can I see him? He isn't hurt bad, is he? It's that bicycle. I told his father I knew it was too soon for it. He's so little and to buy him a big bike like that, he couldn't hardly reach the pedals. Well, that's it, isn't it? He fell off the bicycle. No, ma'am. What is it to him? What is it? Something more? He's hurt. I want to see him. Just a minute, Mrs. Herman. Why won't you tell me what happened to him? My husband will be here in a few minutes and he's going to want to know. Why won't you tell me? How bad's he hurt? Pretty bad, ma'am. That's not an answer. How bad's he hurt? He's dead. Dead? Can we get you anything? My boy's dead? Tony? What? How'd he fall off the bicycle? He got it for his birthday on your bicycle. 28-inch wheels. I thought he'd fallen. I didn't know it was like this. Can I see him? My boy, can I? Yes, ma'am. How'd it happen? How? Oh, we're sorry about it, Mrs. Herman. My Tony had an accident with his death. He went to a movie to come home to find our son's death. We better get the doctor frank. Right. Doctor will be here in a minute, Mrs. Herman. He's doing his homework. Now he's dead. How did it happen, Mr. Fryden? The gun went off. He was standing on the porch. He was hit. But who was shooting? Who shot my boy who killed him? We don't know, Mrs. Herman. I want to know who it was who killed him. I want to know. His father's going to want to know. My boy's dead. My boy's alive. What are you going to make up for it, ma'am? The kid that fired the gun? Yeah. I got him downstairs.  In shaking down the occupants and the car itself, they'd found the jacket hidden under the rear seat. In the trunk of the automobile, they'd found the stolen rifles and the shotgun with one discharged cartridge in it. The three boys in the car had been taken into custody and brought immediately to Georgia Street. Two of the youngsters had been taken to the detention cells and the third himself as Jean Graff was brought to the office of the night watch commander. From the identification found in his pockets, we learned his name, address, and his age, 16 years old. His parents were notified that he was being held and they were asked to come to the office immediately.  When Frank hung up the phone after calling his parents, he made the first statement. What's that going to prove? What's that? Having them come down here. What are you going to prove with that? You want to tell us about it? That's a kid. You going to be all right? How bad is he hurt? He's dead. That's all you got to say? What do you want me to say?  Look, cop, I know the routine.  Well, I'd like to go along with you, but it won't work. Look, save the effort. Use the words in somebody else. Do what you're going to do and let's get it over with. How old are you? You already saw it. How old? 16. Pretty heavy, aren't you? I've been around, yeah. Don't get smart, kid. Not my fault. I was born that way. How many times have you been arrested? A couple. How many times? Four. For what? Suspicion 211, suspicion 245. You're 16. You've been picked up for robbery and assault. I didn't stand any of them. Have you ever been in camp? No. Have you ever served any time? Look, the taxpayers pay you a lot of money to keep records. Why don't you look all this up? It's there. Where'd you get the shotgun you used tonight? I won it in a raffle. I got a lot of luck. Yeah, well, it just ran out, kid.  If you're as smart as I think you are, you're going to take it. You start answering these questions. You start answering them right.    Put the muscle away. You lean on me, and I'll have every sister in this state on your neck. I'm a juvenile. Don't you forget it. You just got out of that league. That's the way you see it. That's the way it is. From where you sit.  I'm going to ask you once more, young fella. Where'd you get that gun? I bought a lucky ticket. Stick with it, kid. We're checking the numbers now. Those guns were taken on the burglary last week. You're dead on it. We got you going in. You try to make it stick. Don't worry. We will. You using narcotics?  I asked a question, and I gave you an answer. Did you drink? Sure. I'm a real lush. I'm going to tell you something. We're running out of patience with you.  You're going to need a lot more. What were you doing out there tonight? Where? Come off it. You know what I mean. Gently, gently. What were you doing at that party? What do you usually do at a party? I was having a good time. Why'd you take that gun with you? I was in the car. I didn't take it. I went along for the ride. Well, who put it there? I don't know. Other boys say it was yours. That's a lie. Prove it. I don't have to. You got to prove I didn't know about it. Well, you don't have to prove a thing.  Guys, you were with it copped out. You're nailed, and you know it. We'll see what the judge has to say about it. I've gotten off before. I'll swing it this time. I'm a juvenile. I'm not responsible for what I do. You really believe that, don't you? I said it. You know, I got two kids. What do you want? A medal? I got two kids. They're pretty good youngsters, too. They go to school.  They'll get married and raise ordinary families. They'll never do much of anything special to get their names in the papers. Nobody's going to give them much notice. Maybe that's the way they want it. But all of a sudden, somebody like you comes along, mean and rotten, and people hear about you. They figure all the kids sat down and wrote your name on a ballot, and now you represent all of them. That you're the shining example of American youth. They sit there and shake their heads and talk about what's happening to the younger generation. They got the wrong picture. It isn't true. None of it. You framed it.   You like it because you think it'll buy you special privileges. Well, you're wrong, fella, not in my book.  Now you bring out the rubber hose. All right, come on, let's go.  You're not coming back this way. Yeah. Come in. Mr. Friday? Yes, Ms. Herman. They told me I'd find you here. Is this the boy who did it? Yes, ma'am. What's your name? Answer. Jean Graff. Why'd you do it?  Did he do something to you? Is that it? Did Tony do something to you? Answer me. Say something. Just tell me one thing. What right do you have? What right does a young hoodlum like you have to stand there alive and breathing in my boy's head? What right? Do you hear me? What right? Ms. Herman. Make him tell me what right. What right? What right does he have to do a horrible thing like this? What right? I don't know, but we're going to take it away from him. Mr. Protect the Elephant. On October 4th, the petition was filed in juvenile court and the subject was declared unfit to be tried as a juvenile. He was ordered to be tried in superior court under the general law. Then Norton Graff was tried and convicted of murder in the second degree. He was referred to the Youth Authority for punishment. Murder in the second degree is punishable by imprisonment in the state penitentiary for a period of from five years to life. Dragnet. The story of your police force in action is a presentation of the United States Armed Forces Radio Service.


Alright, and one more. Gabby to Jelly. You know, we mentioned records, right? Right. Gabby actually matched a record today that we know of. Six cause turnovers matches a single game high in Stevenson Lacrosse history. So, how about that, Gabby? I mean, that's great. That's great. I didn't even realize that, but, um, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, you'll take that, right? Seven ground balls, six cause turnovers today. Pretty good way to stuff the stat sheet on scene today. We could tell a couple times though. Let's just tell it. You wanted a goal. I did. I did. But, you know, wasn't going to force it. I figured if it's not, if it's meant to be, it'll go in. But we did talk about that, too. We did talk about that you're very unselfish and that even though you were going hard to goal, that if there was a better option that you passed. Yeah, absolutely. No doubt. Alright, Gabby, same question as everybody else. What you've been through here, everything, all the ups, the downs, to be in this position and win away from clinching an outright regular season title, this special group that just posted a 22-4 victory on senior day against a team that you split with a year ago, right? Can you put this in the words? I think that just shows how far we've come. I would go through, you know, all the bumps and bruises again to be where we are right now and set up the program to have a really good, you know, hopeful, you know, end of the season this year and years to come. I think this season has just set us up to be in the best position to see Messiah and hopefully when we beat them, we'll have all the semis and match championship here. I think we just have all the hard work has put us in the best spot possible to have everything in our advantage and if we just work hard and play our game like we always do, I don't see anybody coming in a way. I love that. I love it. We've said in terms of the freshmen knowing what it is to play Messiah, ignorance is bliss. Absolutely. Ignorance is so good. What are they saying about this game? Not much actually yet. I think they know how big of a game it is because we talk about it all the time, but I don't think anyone's nervous. I think all mental blocks are just gone. The way that we've been playing, they're all playing like upperclassmen. I would agree. I think like Coach said, I'm ready to see Messiah's reaction when they see us on the field. Wow. When you win 11 a row, you deserve to have that confidence. You do. You're feeling pretty good. That's the way it works. All right, Gabby, shout out some senior day. Shout out to my dad, my mom, and my brother. Gabby, congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations to all three. Enjoy the tailgate, ladies. We'll see you on Wednesday night for a big, big game.