Hello there. Good, how are you? Surprised that there are not so many folks here. Yeah. The first minute of the meeting. Give him a few more minutes. I just paged Paris and Josh. Paris is on her way and Josh's meeting is running over. Perfect. I was stuck with the unrelated to this meeting email and I'm surprised that I'm coming back here on the first two on the two here. So let's wait for the folks. Hey, hey. Sorry, I also had a meeting that ran substantially over. I thought Josh was going to be here. That's why I was like, oh, it'll be fine. Like, don't worry about it. I was like, oh, keep going. They were like upset. So I'm like, keep going. Don't worry. I'm going to be like, and then that's really like, I got the pain and I'm like, okay, maybe we need to pint. Hold on. So, so sorry about that at all. Um, it's actually kind of perfect for me because I was wrapping up something that I was working on that I needed to finish before this meeting. And my, that extra five minutes was exactly what I needed. I just had a call with me to say. Um, what I'll paste. Agenda in chat. Cool. And we're already recording because cncf is awesome. And. Well, it looks like it's just four of us hanging out today. That's cool. Um, I'm Paris. 30th all day, at least on the Pacific coast. I don't think we have too much on the agenda today outside of working group updates and potentially dropping formal health check from the charter as a discussion topic. If anybody else has other discussion topics, feel free to drop them in. But that's pretty much it. Josh, do you have anything else to add to the agenda? I'm looking at the agenda right now. Weren't we going to discuss dropping the health check stuff from the charter? Yeah, I said that. Is there anything else? Okay. All right.  What's up with governance? At this point, it's all just work on both the advisories, mostly on advice for building governance for projects. There hasn't been any movement in the TOC on any of the sort of pending requirements issues, mostly because Liz Rice has been unavailable and they shelved all of that stuff while she's gone, which is fine, frankly. Do we, I don't know, this is where I'm confused. Any time we give them guidance, should we like ask for feedback or should we just wait for them from here on out? Well, the main thing pending right now is, what's his name? Minatic. Alexis. Made this proposal for this steering committee workaround for the multi-organizational requirement. We advised against it because after a bunch of discussion, we realized that it didn't actually solve any problems that we had, and in the meantime would add a whole bunch of paperwork to some projects. At that point, it's kind of done, right? We're a working group. We can send our advice to the TOC and they can take that advice or they can choose to disregard it. So, and they haven't had any discussion on it. So, yes, our takeaway there is just to always wait for TOC. Yes, yeah. The, I mean, the TOC has all of the decision-making power for anything that is not purely documentation, right? We can write as much documentation we want about how to create good governance, but if it comes to touching the actual requirements for projects, what we do is we send advice to the TOC and then they vote on it, or they don't. Any other governance updates? Don, how you doing with your stuff? Good. I worked some on the doc and then we talked about it in the last governance meeting, and I think that Josh had a bit that he was going to add. Jennifer had a bit that she was going to add. So, I think as soon as those bits are added, we can do some cleanup and then PR it in, at least as a draft to get some additional feedback. Awesome. You are your work, what are you working on these days? Not so much related to this thing. I'm a bit here to be updated what you're working on. That's cool. Yeah, no pressure for me. And then Don, you're also working on some contributor growth stuff too, right? Yeah, I was working on the health metrics, which I have kind of a start at. So, if we if we have some time, maybe we could go over. Yeah, I'm going to put that at the discussion. Yeah, we can put it at the end. It's not important. I want to kind of show you what I have because I'm not, I don't think it's quite in the right direction. And so, I wanted to see if other people agree with me. I think any direction right now is super awesome. That's just nice. I feel, and I just feel like a lot of projects from what I'm hearing anyway are taking a lot of this stuff extremely literally.  It's like they want, like a lot of folks are saying, oh, well, what metric should I pull? And it's kind of like, well, it's more about benchmarking.  Like, yeah, because I well, let's talk about the end. Let's show you what I have because and this is why I think that what I have right now isn't the right approach. I don't think that it does that. And I can easily change it so that it is the right approach. But I want to validate because the more I looked at it, the more I was like, anyways, we'll get there. And then I know that we now both for governance as well as contributor growth have the tracking issues, which is cool. I'm linking to the governance one right now in the in the notes. Should we take the tracking issues? Josh is kind of directed at you. Should we take that and break that down into individual issues that we referenced from the tracking issue? I thought about doing that earlier this week and that I didn't want to I didn't want to create like the 10 issues. Yeah, we actually talked about that at the last governance meeting, we just didn't get around to doing it. Okay, so if you have time to do it, please do it. Okay. If I get time tomorrow, I'll do that. So you're going to break down the tracking issue and those smaller issues. Yeah. That way we can assign it to people and mark them done and it makes it easier, I think. Okay. All right. And then let's see what else do we have here? Charter changes are done and over with closing this issue. I'm looking through issues and stuff right now. It looks like that's it for governance and contributor growth. Contributor growth, like I mentioned, it has the tracking guide and they're working on the contributors template, contributor ladder template, recruiting playbook, potentially issue templates and all kinds of fun stuff. So I make it looks like probably next quarter, we can see a decent size project template repo, which will be cool. Next is maintainer circle. And that's me and I just don't feel like talking right now. The only thing going on with maintainer circle is that we still have intentions of launching some kind of birds of a feather. As the first one at some point in September, TVD, if you've noticed an uptick in people joining our Slack channel and people joining the maintainer circle channel, it's because I've been doing a ton of outreach. I don't know if you've seen me in Slack channels and stuff like that, but I've been going to community meetings, joining Slack channels. I can't believe we kind of have to do this, but here we are kind of thing. So I'm trying to just brew more people interested about maintainer circle and us in general, so that we can just get more people to kind of like help us move things along here. The one issue that I linked in the docs that I was curious about and getting some discussion points on is creating an actual maintainer's site on the CNCF page. Because right now, if you go to maintainers.cncf.io, you get a public spreadsheet of people that can vote for TOC members. So I was thinking if we could actually create this as a page for maintainers, we could link to like all of our documentation, like that would help them, the maintainer's circle events, like all of the like intros and deep dives to KubeCon. I was thinking like of actually creating the community here. So I wanted to see what y'all thought about that. And if it's something that's worthwhile, I'll put together a little bit more of a proposal and then potentially recruit people to help us build it out and talk to CNCF and EOR. I wanted to get your take to from CNCF's side on kind of building that out and if CNCF would be receptive and blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm going to stop talking. Can we use the contributors circle also for the same purpose? So if you go to contributors.cncf.io, to contribute that CNCF.io, you are directed to our Contribute GitHub repo. And so probably we can reuse this triple for the same purpose as Goli. What do you think about it? I feel like they just need like, it would be cool if they were actual sites and people could interact with them. But you know, I'm not great at building sites. So yeah, I don't know. I guess I just don't know really what a good next step here would be. Obviously we can do some proposal writing and write out what we would want on the site and then potentially recruit some contributors for it. Is the CNCF site is on, hold on, I'm looking on, is it on GitHub? Meaning like for instance, if we got somebody to like just do that, do the page for us, could they just check it into the CNCF repository somewhere or is that private? So right now it's on what process is in them. But we are in process of migrating to the GitHub part, the core basis here. Okay, because I guess I'm just saying it's like, should we petition CNCF for like contracting funds or should we be able to get like a contributor? What do you think? I would say that your first step in any case would be from the trace desktop, we have this request desk. So this is like, it's the best way to put the visibility of this request to the CNCF stuff. Okay, and that's fine. I can do that too. I was really just the first kind of thing I wanted to do was raise it with you all and see what thoughts were here. Dawn and Josh, what about you with creating some kind of online community, if you will, for maintainers slash and or contributors? I mean, I would see it as being part of the same thing. But yeah, I mean, like, for example, all this documentation that we're putting together about how to build governance, that needs to go on some kind of an official CNCF page somewhere. Okay, all right, so let's go ahead and prove by everyone who needs to approve it. Let's go ahead. I do think we want to be haven't looked at those links, but I do think we want to be careful about creating too many additional community elements, though, because it then it becomes like one additional community that people feel like they have to be engaged in, and it becomes too much for people. Yeah, I second that, that's actually the reason why I propose to reuse one of our existing assets, like contribute.cntc.io instead of create and something new. Yeah, more it's I want, I want to have some of our, you know, the completed and approved by the TOC, etc. documentation going on a web page rather than staying in GitHub, because that's an easy way for maintainers to differentiate between the things that are drafts and the things that are actually official. Yeah, I mean, so contribute.cntcf.io exists, but so does maintainers.cntcf.io, like they both exist, except one points to a spreadsheet and one points to a GitHub repo. Right, I feel like even if we did the maintain, I would still want the maintainers to redirect to contribute, because I don't, I think like there's no point in publicly sharing a spreadsheet as a URL. There is a point, so drop, whereas reasons why people might be interested in this spreadsheet, so. Well, I'm saying we can still link it, so go ahead, Dr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like having having this simplified URL, like regular URL is readable, is a best way to share it, not just link, like this extremely long URL that is auto-generated by Google, Google Sheets. So that's why we're creating this short URL, it can be distributed anywhere. For example, we have, like in our, in the, in the cntcf service that the communication willing that this URL mentioned and who are the people who have an access to the cntcf service desk. That's one example. Well, I will file a service desk ticket. Is the problem is too, are my service desk tickets still being filed against Kubernetes? That's a good point. I wish Anne could be here, so we could discuss things. And it's like, what is this, Paris? Yeah, I didn't know, yeah, I didn't know, like, what are the, what are our current policies with, you know, like, allowing sync, sync chairs, the cntcf sync chairs to file tickets and so should be able to, at least here as a person who has access to it, should be able to, but it's better to double check with them and I'll do it. So just how to, how to file the tickets properly and become a cntcf sync. Well, I'll go ahead and write a longer proposal that has some more of like a mock-up of information that we would like to see and things like that and then start a service desk ticket and start talking to folks. Cool, that makes sense. Also the service desk ticket is required in terms of if you'll need some extra funding for building the website, building the page, so people feel so necessary also for their trading purposes. Okay, cool. That's really it, I think, for maintainer circle. Just got just doing tons of outreach, general outreach, and getting a lot of good things back. Most, the problem is most of the good things are Tommy won the first meeting is instead of you necessarily like suggestions, comments, feedback, which is, which is to be expected, honestly. Anyone else have any other working group updates before we move on to discussion to talk about charter project metrics and the other issue that's in there? All right, so discussion right now in the charter, we had a bullet that talked about performing health checks for projects that graduation to talk about their community and things along those lines. I had initially when we when I went in to do the charter updates for Jared and everything else and trying to get the bootstrap information out of there, I did remove that. Honestly, I don't know why I initially did. I think there was just something in me that was like, we don't do this. And I just kind of scratched it off. And then that's when Josh was like, wait, and then I'm like, wait, yeah, you're right. So let me bring up the charter and Josh, what were your initial thoughts? And then I guess maybe like evolved thoughts after that when you were like, wait, no, I mean, I understood why you moved it because currently nobody's actually working on it. And second, it doesn't seem to be a thing that TOC actually wants us to do. It originally went into our charter because of a request from Chris A, I believe. But even he has not followed up on it since then. So I feel like it's something that we could do as part of community growth, you know, or as part as part of the WGs, like it's something the WGs could actually work on if they wanted to, but it doesn't need to be in our charter, because if it's in our charter, it becomes something we have to do and something we have to report that we're working on. And so I think it made sense to remove it. I just felt like there had to be some official discussion of removing it from the charter before we actually did it. Yeah. I mean, I could move it to the, there is an area that's like future stuff, please help us. We want to grow in this area. So I could move it to there. Don or Eore, did you have any thoughts about that? Whoops, that was on me. No, I just got distracted by a text message. And so I wasn't paying attention. I'll just do that up front. And that's, that's fine too. This was just, I don't know. I think, I think it's safe, I think it's safe to at least bump it to the road map section at this point. Matt and Todd might kill me though, considering they just reviewed the charter. Sorry if you're listening to this, y'all. So all right, that's just, we'll do that, but it's low priority. So if it gets, if it doesn't get done until the next meeting, then so be it. And I'll also make that known to TOC too. All right. Drop. All right, Don, tell us about project metrics. Yeah. So let me share, I'll share my screen, you can see. So, so I started this, I started the doc and someone added kind of who, what, when sections. And then I started diving into the project health table for dev stats. And so I basically, what I did was I took the stuff that was in dev stats and was just like, here's how you map it to who, what, when contributors, companies, maintainers, commits, things like that. So this is like, this is very tactical and very tied to the project health dashboard. This did help me hang on one second, Josh, this did help me sort of understand kind of what, what we have from a data perspective. But I think that this is completely the wrong approach. And I suspect that it should probably look something more like this. So here are the things you need to think about. This is why it's important. Here are some examples of the metrics that you could use to measure this. Because what I have right now is, so this is sort of kind of framing it in why it's important. And then here are the things. This is the opposite way. It was like, here's a big list of the things. And then I can start going into why things are important, which I started to do kind of in here. So like how you would interpret it. But I feel like this is, I feel like this approach is, is too much detail. And I think people are going to get bogged down in it. And I'd rather have something more high level that gets people thinking about it the right way. And then Josh, you had a comment, I just wanted to get through my, my pitch before. Yeah, well, I would say a second reason why the first approach is wrong is that those metrics from the dashboard are almost universally wrong. Good to know. All right. Yeah, because the more, the more I started working on it from this approach, the more I was like, I'm not comfortable with this approach at all, but I've done enough on it that I'm going to show it to people and see if other people are as uncomfortable as I am. I started digging into specifically the, you know, contributions by largest contributor stat there, which is the multi org stat. And the numbers I was seeing for projects I work with regularly were at odds with reality. Okay. And I started delving into it and I literally could not get those numbers to mean anything at all. And Lucas has been dodging me in terms of responding as to where those numbers actually come from. Okay. So are you saying here's Josh? What are these and issues? I have not raised it's an official CNCF ticket about it. And I think that would be the next step, but I wanted to actually discuss it this meeting. I mean, it may just be because Lucas is busy on some other project that Chris has assigned him to, but I have not, unlike the Kubernetes dev stats, right, there's no thing at the bottom explaining where the data comes from. And so I'm like, what is this measuring? And I've been back and forth with Lucas about it on Slack a couple of times and he keeps putting me off the issues. Like I know this is technically the wrong, I know we're saying like it's the wrong approach. I would actually use these as examples, possibly use these as examples and the other approach. So the idea would be that you would say something like time to first response is important because of these things.  I still, I personally, I mean, I personally, I wouldn't label that as the wrong, I would just say that like what you're saying is like they should have like a high level at first, like a premium and and then dig deeper. Um, but yeah, it's just, it's just kind of flipping it, sort of flipping it upside down. Yeah. But I've never actually like seen it go that deep before and somebody that actually does go deep in data like that, I appreciated that. So that's why when I saw it, I was like, wow, I appreciate this. No, I get, I get what you're saying too with other projects that might not think like me. So yeah, and this is something we struggle with inside of VMware as well. Like I have a very simple set of project health metrics that I put on dashboards that we use for, for everybody because we have, you know, we have hundreds of projects that have a significant enough number of commits that you can run project health data on them. But not everybody is going to dig into something like a dev stats or a patergia dashboard and just like figure it out for themselves. It has to be, it has to be easier. People won't use it. And then if they get interested, then they can dig into more data power to them. You should actually raise that on here. Did you write that on here at the very top? Like, because that's honestly a really good piece of advice. It's like, you might not want to dig into this. And here's why. Don, thank you so much for your help with this. Well, I'll take this feedback and then I'll, I'll just flip it upside down and rewrite it so that it's more focused on kind of the, the reasoning. And I'll add something about how it should be easy. Don, I have a bug report here. Um, your name is not listed as Dr. Don Foster.  It should be. It should be.  Fix it.  The doctors, the doctors? Oh yeah. I got my doctorate in, it became official in 2018. Really? See? Bug report. I, yeah, I finished my PhD. No idea why. I thought you were still just doing, you were still in the PhD waves. Nope. I did it. I, I powered through. I did it in three and a half years. Well, you're officially Dr. Foster from here on out. I am. The doctor. Thank you, Amy. By the way. Yeah. That's how it was late. It was the important, the important facts. Um, you know, we can raise this on the next TOC update too and give you some shouts, Don. So I think once the next TOC update is that Tuesday? That is Tuesday and your slides are due. Yeah, I know. So I'm like, we need to so Don, you're going to lend us the project. Yeah. So many, some of which have uncriticed slide to talk about project health. I will go ahead and add you to those slides. Super. Um, and then that's really it, I think for us today. Oh, actually, no, I'm sorry, there was just one more discussion point. Does anybody have your, do you have any? I'm sorry, I'll stop sharing so that you could take back over. No, that's fine. Eeyore, do you have anything for Don, Josh, anybody else with project health stuff? I think a lot like this by Eeyore. Oh, I just realized we actually have a major thing to discuss on the agenda. So that I forgot about because Dimms is not on this call. Dimms had a proposal for badging. So let me add that to the bottom discussion. I added it just at the link for me. Well, I'll breeze through this one. And I'll share my screen. Just not much to share. This, we've talked about this a couple times. This is the, should we add some kind of graduation guidance for, well, not graduate, should we add some kind of guidance for graduated or project going to graduation? There we go. Words are hard. And as it relates to how they take care of their people. So it's kind of like governance. We're not prescribing a model. We're just saying have one. So whether that's a SIG for contributor experience or community experience or developer relations or having a full-time community manager, having a part-time community manager, being explicit with what CNCF does with your community, like that kind of like, I guess, is kind of where I'm going with this. We've talked about this in a number of different avenues. So this is just a discussion topic that I wanted to pop on and see if anybody A is interested in helping with this, number one. And then number two, what kind of like general thoughts there are around this, or if you're plus one, negative one are neutral? I think this is something that's definitely good to have. I think a lot of people, I think there are two sets of people. There are people who completely underestimate the amount of work that it takes to do community management for a project. And then there are the people who try to over-engineer the community management for the project and end up with a bunch of stuff that they don't need. So I think some guidance about how all of that works would probably be helpful. Yep. Anybody think that this is a terrible idea? We should not proceed, go away. Nope. On a previous discussion, I even spoke up on that at some point we might want to propose this as a requirement for graduated projects. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This says guidance and graduation kind of, I think like it could potentially go hand in hand. So all right. Well, that wasn't much of a discussion. So let's move to, let's move to badge. Well, I guess it wasn't much of a like a heated debate rather. Let's move on to Dim's's badging. So we can talk about that because that was a really good proposal. Don't move. I'm going back. Here we go. Oh, I didn't. Josh, should you find the link? All right, cool. I'll share my screen. There we go. Finally found the link. Okay. So basically, Dim said this great proposal that we would take the things that are in requirements in the annual review in the due diligence check. And for things that are sufficiently atomic, we would actually create badges around those things. And those badges would get added to the project page on the CNCF page. So there would be a badge for what your maturity level was. There would be a badge for whether or not, you know, you were considered multi-org by the CNCF. We were sort of throwing out other ideas. Dim's was actually going to go back and take a look at the annual review to see which other items we could potentially create badges out of. The main reasons for doing this is the CNCF does a lot of sort of examination review of projects. But for users and potential contributors, that information is not very transparent. It is actually hard to find and hard to understand. Whereas a badge system would be a lot clearer, the second, you know, and we already use a badge system for security with the CIA project. So this would be on the same sort of principle. And other ideas for badges I threw out was things like, does the project have some kind of contributor onboarding or not, right? You know, these sorts of things. So we had this discussion. We were very much in favor of it. We were putting together potentially a proposal to make to the mailing list here and then from there to the TOC when we ran into a major problem, which is because of the increase in the number of sandbox projects, in parallel, the TOC is proposing to stop auditing annual reviews. This means that the annual review would become entirely self-reporting by the project. And that would make it difficult to base badges on it. Because, you know, if somebody has an OKR that their project needs to get x-badge, they're going to cook the books on the annual review. I feel like if we did have good data, we could automate that from those dots, right? Yeah. Although, I mean, you think about it, for example, like say we wanted to have a badge does this project have contributor onboarding? The thing is, there's like four or five different ways you could have contributor onboarding. All of which are equally valid, if you follow me. Couldn't they be community managed and community enforced? I mean, the community itself will know that they're bullshitting. Excuse my French, right?  You know what I mean? Like, I guess that's what I take there. Like, they can rock the badge, right? But like, if somebody in their community eventually calls BS and like the TOC or somebody, right, is going to hear like, hear about it, I guess. So that does bring up another point that we actually discussed and wanted to bring here, which was whether or not the badging proposal should include a challenge system. My suggestion was that it should, but challenges should first come to the SIG, simply because there will be a lot of spurious challenges. And we only want to forward the legitimate challenges to the TOC. However, I'm also worried that if the only sort of auditing of badges that's being done is via the challenge system, the badging process will start to become seen as excessively negative. If you follow me. Can we just do like a handful of randoms, like some kind of random generator at the end of the year? And it's like, oh, we're gonna just check out these five projects. Yeah. And that's why we're discussing this in this meeting, right? Because now we've realized that a realistic badge proposal means that SIG contributor strategy needs to take on some responsibility for auditing the badges, whether it's spot checks, whether it's brief reviews of the annual reviews, whether it's something else. Yeah, I mean, we can build this in as a role, make sure we always sustain that kind of, I mean, right now we're not necessarily, we're building, we're not necessarily sustaining anything. So I could, I could see us do something like that, thoughts from others. I think we need to make sure that we're prepared to take it on if we decide to, because it is, it is going to be, it is going to be a chunk of work that we're going to have to maintain kind of forever. I guess let's see what that would entail, right? I like this.  I think I want to be able to highlight a scaling issue here. We have, including Kubernetes, 65 projects. I'm just going to leave that here. Yeah, I mean, this, this could be a lot to maintain. That's why I think we want to be sure that it's something that, that we wanted, that we want to sign up for at this point. Also that number is going to go up as of like September, just like guaranteed. Also I'm like, what if, if we make it, if we build it into the already pro-existing processes, number one, and then number two, community moderated and enforced as the first, as the first wrong. And only start with a few, meaning like, you know, the ones we know we need. So we know we need the steering one. Like that's the one, right? Like the, just governance and then, you know, I guess maybe add from there. Yeah, I like the idea of starting small. I mean, I really do think we should start with just a handful of badges. Or just one. Yeah, and see how it goes. Yeah, just this one, like, because we know that this is solving an immediate problem, right? So it looks like the to-dos here. And I'll, I'll just copy them, leave this and put it on the actual agenda too, just so we can highlight that. It looks like, I think April and Dimms were also working on this. I'm working on description of the badges escalation process and badge for active maintainers. Yeah, the, yeah, and that's actually a good example. I mean, one of the things that came up during the discussion, you know, for, for this that I don't think is in dispute is, well, I don't see as being able to automate most of the badges. I do think that every badge should have a very quantitative description because we will get arguments about these. And, and anything that is qualitative will be a source of argument. I mean, I'm also like, I have not, I haven't dug in too far deep into like technical badge systems in my lifetime. So I'm just so curious to know, like, not even outside, like even outside of open source kind of like, what are some of the other ways that communities do badging and stuff like that. I'm curious to hear from some experts. It might be nice to invite one to like, one of our meetings or something like that, to kind of get folks. Yeah, I only know the ones in open source. I mean, so obviously we can talk to the CIA folks. Yeah. The other one I kind of bring in is, is somebody from the Fedora badging program, but that is badging of contributors. Yeah, I would be very interested in hearing from folks. But they have the advantage that their badges are almost entirely automated, which is nice. So I can, I can definitely, um, yeah, let's move your way in on that. Okay. Speakers, guest speakers. Yes. All right. Yeah, I know. See if they would come and talk to us about the, how like, you know, maybe best practices, what they hate, what they wish they didn't do, like all that kind of stuff would be super helpful. All right. Does anybody know, are there any other umbrella foundations that actually have a badging thing? We can ask Twitter. I would have to go look at like, LFN might, sorry, networking might have one. Yeah, I mean, probably hyperledger. So I would start with some delaying foundation, yeah, hyperledger might be good. Josh, Apache doesn't have anything like this, right? Well, that's what I was wondering, actually. Let me ask, let me ask Rich. Yeah. Well, I can ask Rich about, about that. And I can ask Lisa about LFN. So yeah. And if Apache does, guest speaker, guest speaker, thank you. Well, I think that's it for us. That's it for the notes today. Less call for non-alcohol. All right. That's it then. Oh, actually, no, I'm sorry. Josh, review my PR. Get my, get my resources in there. Wait, which, which one? This is not the charter one? Not the charter one. This is just resources.md. That's collecting a bunch of like, links that are beneficial for us to keep track of. I went all grammar police on you on that one. Sorry. What happened? I went all grammar police. Oh, you did? You did it me? I did. I totally nitpicked you. But, but I started to nitpick and then I was like, and just do this for the rest of the doc. And that's fine. I know laterally, it was like 14 days near reviews. I'm just like, someone out there review my PR. You are needed. You are needed. Needed me before you did anyway. Just a little bit. All right, cool. Then I will, I will get, I will go to Don's knits and then you can, then you can approve it. All right. Well, that's it for me today. All right. I miss all of you. It's not like all of my meetings are running now. It's like, I miss seeing everyone. I miss, I miss all of you. Next year. Well, that's like conferences and real hugs. It'll be great.  About what? About being? After accident. Like, how are you feeling? Like, after the? I'm doing okay. And I'm feeling extremely proud for, for the new gigs. All right. Okay. I'll just chop it in on you. Glad, glad you're here with us. Yeah, I'm here. Smiling is always. Yeah. Smiling. I'm glad you're here with us. All right. See y'all. All right. Later.


Alright guys, so I'm really excited to show you guys today's cut. I've been doing a haircut every single day. What I love about this whole entire experience so far is that it's pushing me to try new things constantly and just really getting really inspired. So I appreciate you guys watching every day and I hope you guys are enjoying all the haircuts that we've done. So today's haircut comes from Jennifer and she sent out a request and this was interesting because she said, can you do the Carly Rae Jepsen haircut from her latest appearance on Ellen DeGeneres. So I looked it up. Her haircut's really cool, really fun. So I'm going to show you guys my end result. This is what we came up with so we got our nice disconnection. I even colored this mannequin for you guys but I just love the choppiness of this. We used our razor, our Donald Scott razor. We used our scissors. We used over direction. We used disconnection. So this haircut's full of all kinds of cool stuff so I hope you guys like it. Make sure you post in the comments. Let me know what you think and I hope you guys enjoy watching this as much as I enjoyed doing it for you guys. Jennifer, thanks for the request. If you guys want to see a haircut, post it in the comments below. Mostly haircuts. Another thing was a struggle for me today but post what you want to see and I'll see if I can get it done for you guys. Here we go with our step by step cut. Alright so we're going to start off by sectioning parietal ridge down to a point just at low crown and then we're going to section off our disconnections that are going to happen in the side which is a nice square section from mid ear to the whole temple area. So just twisting that away. The sectioning really tells the story of the cut guys so when you're thinking about how you want to go about somebody's haircut, let's say it's a celebrity or whatever it is, just look at the cut, figure out each little aspect of it and then section off each part of the head. So all the disconnection happens on the side and in the back. So what I wanted to do was section off a rounded shape which I'll spin this and show you guys in a second but that goes right to the middle of our disconnected square. The reason I'm starting in the middle is so that I have a complete disconnection all the way around the outer perimeter of the haircut. So just sectioning away those sections. We're using our Donald Scott carving comb for the first part of this haircut. We're actually going to switch it up so I wanted to start off with the razor. We're going to start by creating those short layers. The way that we're going to do this is we go in cutting the short layers, big strokes with the razor and then we fade away and leave the length around the nape area. So starting off carving nice and short in, let's just say you're pretty much following the occipital bone area down to the nape, that angle when you first cut in and then just dropping out and leaving the length as you continue down. That length is going to be a little bit more extreme than we're going to leave it at the very end of the cut but I want to leave a little extra length. That gives me some freedom when I go in to do the dry cut layer. So you can see there's not much over direction in my cutting on the back part of this haircut. So everything's pretty much following the head shape coming straight out from the round of the head and just creating the layering. We're going to spray some of our prepare. This is our liquid tool glide. This is like the best thing that was ever invented for razor cutting because it allows the razor to just glide and slide through the hair, keeps the condition in the hair. So again, this is the same kind of feel we're following the round of the head. We really want to collapse the shape. That was the cool thing about this cut was that it's not a bob. It's nice and collapsed and shaggy looking. So we go in, cut those short layers, follow the round of the head and then this one we're not leaving the disconnection. We're actually connecting to the bottom that we already cut. So now we're going to work into the top. This is a fun technique because what I wanted to do was she has almost like a little faux hawk feel to the middle of her haircut. So what I wanted to do is add the weight. So I wanted to remove it from the sides and add it to the middle. So what I'm doing is I'm starting my guide off on the side of the right on the parietal ridge. So coming straight up off the parietal ridge. And then I'm going to over direct everything. I'm going to make that a stationary guide. I'm going to bring everything to that and just cut it. I'm cutting this blunt because she has more of a precision feel on the top of the head. So that's what I wanted to create. So she had more freedom and layers throughout the sides and the back. And then it was more precise on the top. And you know, even if that's not how they did her haircut, I think it's a cool way to do it. So just going through taking those sections, I'll go all the way across the whole Mohawk section and bring it over.  I definitely I like to over direct it, clean it all up. And then we'll do the same thing on the opposite side.  If your client has longer hair, you're not going to run out of hair. So you'll just finish it up just like this. And the story of this cut is really just following that head shape. So even at this point, I'm bringing everything straight up to that stationary guy, but I'm following the round of the head the whole time. You'll see a good angle of it here. Just bringing everything straight up from the parietal ridge over and recutting another guideline. Now our guideline starts from the back. So that's why you don't have to worry about the sides being the same length or anything like that. Now you're going to see me pushing away. That's me pushing now. So we pulled everything to the one side for the first cut. And now we're working on the opposite side of the head. So now I'm pushing everything over to above the parietal ridge. So it wasn't much to cut there. I bring out the disconnections. And now I'm going to work on the fringe. This is probably the key factor of this cut, making sure that you get the fringe right. I'm going to go back to the Donald Scott carving comb for this. It's a broken fringe. It has a little bit of a precise look to it. But as long as you stay small with the strokes on the razor, you'll get a slightly shattered fringe, but more of a precise look. Then we can chop into it later. So I'm connecting. So I cut the fringe using the 100% carved side of the carving comb. Then I go in and just connect that corner. I just kind of carve out that corner a little bit. Add a few pieces around the face. And we do the same thing on this side. What you're going to see me doing the most right now with the fringe is combing the hair to see exactly how it's going to fall. And then I'm sectioning it or imparting it to make the cut from there. I think it's really important not to over-direct too much, because the more you start really pulling hair and over-directing it, you're going to cut it where it's not going to live. And then you're not going to have the result that you want.  I know this looks extreme at this point. Don't leave me yet. The disconnections have not been cut. So it's definitely more extreme on the sides. We're going to do a flat wrap, and then we're going to iron. This is our brocato vibrostrate iron. And yeah, just going through, smoothing it out. I haven't even colored it yet, because I wanted to color it at the end when it has the least amount of hair. So we're going to go through. I want to cut a little bit of a concave layering in. This is connecting the razor cut. So connecting the razor cut to the scissor, just a real quick clean up there. And now I'm going to go through with my Donald Scott carving comb and work the fringe some more. We're going to use our 50% carveside. So this actually, this side of the carving comb only cuts 50% of the hair. So it allows you to get that broken up bang that you're looking for. So I just keep taking horizontal sections, slight diagonal forward as I work through the top fringe of the haircut.  This is where you get that freedom of using a razor. Just going in there and deciding how much weight you want to remove for the specific look you're going for. OK, so now this is the fun part. This is where the whole haircut starts to come together. So we're going to work our disconnection. Yes, I'm cutting dry hair with a razor. We've conditioned the hair. I have a brand new blade. All of this is OK to do as long as your blade is nice and sharp. So I went through there, did a little backhand razor cutting, going through there, some more backhand razor cutting, just turning the razor so I'm not cutting a big chunk, not using the full horizontal blade.  This is all artistic, guys. So just going through however you feel and creating that shape. I want to remove a little weight from this side. So I go in 50% carve and just clean it up. You can see those layers just pop. Razor point cutting that we do with the Donald Scott carving comb. Going through the top, removing weight. We created that weight line on the top by over directing each side to the parietal ridge. So now I'm just softening that weight line. So we're almost to our end result a couple more cutting things that we're going to do after the color processes. So right now I'm putting on a 2N from Vibra Color. And we're using a 10 volume developer. I just wanted to really match up the look. This haircut does not look the same on light brown hair. So this will be a nice black feel to the hair color. So we're going through. We're going to let that process. Don't diss me on my color technique. I did get color all over the mannequin. The amazing thing about Vibra Color is somehow it didn't stay in the mannequin. I don't know how that works. So we went through and put on our Bercato cream gel, which I really like. It's the hold on gel. I'm going through ironing the haircut again. So now a little bit of slide cutting. I want to piece out. This is something that you're not going to get quite with the razor. So I'm using my Mizutani DB20 scissor that I used for the entire haircut on dry hair. So a lot of people say, well, what's your favorite all-around scissor? The DB20 is definitely my favorite. It's a great investment because you can do dry cutting and wet cutting with it. So we're sliding in, half-closing the scissor, and just piecing out those disconnections a little bit more. And now going in deep point cutting into the back of the cut. And that's just to add, again, a little bit more separation in the nape of the neck. Now I want to open up that cheekbone area a little bit. I just think that that kind of gives a little pop to the cut. This is a brocado carve. I want to go through. It's a cream wax. So it doesn't have a ton of hold, but it's perfect for women's short hair because it does give enough hold to create that look. So you can see that the pieciness happening and the separation and the fringe. So there's our end result, guys. I hope you guys like this vlog. And thank you, again, to Jennifer for requesting this cut. If you guys want to request the cut, do it in the comments below. And definitely let me know your thoughts on this video. Thank you so much for watching. All right, guys. So I hope you enjoyed that haircut and the color. And make sure if you liked this video, hit the Like button. Hit the Share button. Share it with all of your friends out there. And make sure you leave a comment and let me know what you think because I love reading all of your comments. Definitely fuels the fire in making these videos every day. So thank you, guys, so much for the support and watching all the time. And I'll see you guys on the next video. Thanks.


dedicated to the strength of the nation we hail hail starring Nancy Guild in the people next door the United States Army and United States Air Force presentation and our here is our producer the well-known Hollywood showman CP McGregor thank you thank you very much and readings from Hollywood ladies and gentlemen welcome to your theater of stars where the famous personalities of the motion picture world join us in plays we know you'll enjoy our star is the beautiful young actress Nancy Guild who appears for the first time in radio before our microphone the title of our bright comedy the people next door we'll have the curtain for act one in just a moment but first here is your announcer with this important message choose the career that offers all five the US Army offers you these five keys to a successful future one the right job for you to continuous training in your job three planned advancement for lifetime security five travel and recreation yes men choose the career that offers all five find out about the five keys to a successful future at your nearest army and Air Force recruiting station now once again our producer the curtain rises on act one of the people next door starring Nancy Gile as Pat day on a street that I know of there are two houses that is two particular houses and what a difference like night and day and what a coincidence you see George and Pat day live in the day house and mr. and mrs. J from the night that's K and I ght live in the night house gee was the day house is all white with green shutters and creamy curtains that nice windows that wink at you when you go by but next door the house is brick blue brick and peers with hotty distinct at the little white house through narrow bloodshot windows and it has a mahogany door that sort of frowns and says we don't want any well in the dayhouse Pat the effervescent little manager s of the day establishment is making orders like crazy out of little pieces of toast and some sort of goo Pat's patricial misanthrope day it ain't Santa Claus is George where is my one and only treasured razor blade come again the one I've only shaved with three times oh that one yeah that one I vaguely detect a slight note of the witness pleads guilty in that first sentence oh well George you know that new dress I'm making it go on but just remember anything you say can be used against you well new dresses have to have patterns and they have to be cut out and I couldn't find the scissors razor blade yike remind me to divorce you first thing in the morning insufficient grounds mental cruelty hey I know what if I might be so blamed inquisitive the nights yeah yeah they're cold and the days are wet and without razor blades and the necessary simoleons to buy new ones and maybe I could use an oyster shells George I read in a book once about a quiet you babbling Brooke we've only got four wine glasses yeah that makes sense me with a face like a powdered soap ad and you crop up with we've only got four wine glasses so there'll be six of us for dinner four from six leaves to correct is the very devil now where are we if six of us are going to have shabbily with our dinner four wine glasses aren't enough catch catch clear as the coffee you generally make which ain't no Algenon I don't catch catch you're thick I said the nights didn't I next door yeah a fine good terrific super duper so what so I'm going over and borrow a couple of wine glasses and maybe I said just maybe I can vamp the old geezer vamp the old geezer what for so as I can borrow a razor blade so as you can shave your ugly face horse now catch catch well that's the day house like bubbles in a glass of sparkling burgundy but now the switch to the night house next door to the living room in fact and what a living room mahogany paneled walls bold legged French chairs that go ah a couple of ancestors glaring down under the guilt frames in the wall kibitzing mr. and mrs. night's whiskey oh and a black marble fireplace with the darndest thing on it a dry ad chasing a cupid holy mackerel I'll bid three clubs and it's yours you know Jebediah something must be done about those young people next door and what have they done now their dog was in our garden again this morning call the police there's a law regarding the responsibility of dog owners why I just can't call the police somehow Jebediah they're such children they remind me of orphans in the storm such irresponsible children they're both out of the adolescent stage from what I've seen of them oh I know Jebediah in years perhaps but the way they live hand to mouth and they don't seem to care they both Twitter like birds in a cage and what they exist on heaven only knows doesn't he have a job but doesn't he work oh she told me last week that he's inventing something a great innovation of some sort no doubt no doubt that is my dear precarious and stupid hopes to sell it when he's finished hmm very unsound very unsound indeed having parties two and three times a week living as if they had a champagne income I tell you Abbey there ought to be a law someone ought a legislator bill making it illegal for people who contribute nothing to society except a lot of nonsensical flub debris oh but Jebediah those two children aren't causing any harm nor are they causing any good I tell you young people today are going straight to the devil in a handbasket straight to the devil is precisely where they're going no wonder the world is in the condition it's in this younger generation completely lacks all sense of moral fiber oh come now Jebediah they're not as bad as all that you were young once yourself you know indeed I was indeed I was but let me tell you I was a sensible young man there was nothing full of it egypt about me had there been my father would have taken it out of me with a burnt stick well what have they done that's the point not at all it isn't what they've done it's what they haven't done yes indeed what they haven't done they flit about like grasshoppers they toil if not neither do they spin it I should have to think where they're heading straight into perdition that's where Abigail straight into the jaws of perdition I've always thought that perdition was a place I didn't know it had jaws oh Abby that's only a figure of beats my dear metaphor so to speak oh dear just still sit still I'll see who it is probably somebody looking for somebody else good evening hello how are you I'm fine thank you I'm Mrs. Day you don't know me we live next door I've come begging won't you come in please Mrs. Knight is in the living room thank you screwy night isn't it looks like it might pile up to a dry drizzle and simply boo boo buckets and buckets I mean hello there I've come seeking arms my dear shut the door Jebediah I wonder I know it's terrible and simply awful of us but could we borrow a couple of wine glasses we've got company coming for dinner and well well we did have six but when the Jamersons were over last week two of them went bung wine glasses just to Mrs. Knight and I'll drag the back first thing in the morning we'll be grateful like mad of course my dear come into the living room what sort of wine glasses do you wish what sort of wine are you saving well George he swears by the Almighty that it's shabby but for a dollar and a half it's not finished 29 I hope you don't mind terribly not in the least my dear George claims he can drink his out of a milk bottle but I don't imagine that will look very Lottie da do you then you don't want only two glasses my dear glasses should match you know supposing I lend you six oh gee oh thanks a billion Mrs. Knight have you enough silver oh I think so mostly counting the ones we got with the box top coupons I shall lend you some silver after all a party must be well done you know and I just happened to think I have a damask tablecloth that I haven't used for years would you like to use it oh Mrs. Knight now now now I'm only too glad to do it we have so much and how is your husband well crazier than ever he's horrified at me going begging like this he swears to leave me oh the big dope should know he can't leave me do you want to know a secret what is it my dear the storks made a nest in our chimney you mean to say yes I do and oh boy I hope it's a boy you poor dear girl oh no no lucky lucky me that goonie husband of mine leaves me alone so much it'll be swell just having someone to talk to oh and I can't tell you how grateful I am for the glasses we're throwing a wing ding we do want to make it nice you're perfectly welcome my dear oh yes just one more thing gosh we're beggars oh mr. Knight yes mrs. Day could I ask an extra special favor yes of course what is it could you possibly see your way clear to lend that goopy husband of mine a razor blade what cooks your handcuffed or something I got my arms full hey Ricky a loot what goes on you little pirate glasses scads of them and enough silver to start a mint sterling too here help me yeah oh don't drop them they're forced by Chalini or somebody crystal Chalini didn't make glass your crackpot where have you been on a quiz show or something nope I've been turning on my wiles come again you know they're the peachiest people what people are the peaches the night's look Ophelia lump-lump stop talking in Sanskrit and start giving with the low down on the low down else I break every bone in your fragile little body you know what I like about you George why the nice things you can say to a girl you make my heart go pity pads and stop running around the raspberry boys it isn't Mayday what'd you do burglar nights no bye just went sashaying over to see them put up my case and here we are yeah aren't we yep and look sweet Alice surprise what's that a brand new unused guaranteed to be a sharpest place is razor blade for me to you with my fond love and affection very truly yours Pat for me yes a nice new razor blade we pause briefly from our story the people next door starring Nancy Gile to bring you an important message from your government choose the career that offers all five the US Army offers you these five keys to a successful future one the right job for you scientific aptitude tests determine the right job for you to continuous training in your job specialized training and educational courses prepare you for advancement in your field three planned advancement under the Army's advancement plan your skill and efficiency will assure periodic promotions for lifetime security you as an army man are guaranteed regular pay and liberal retirement benefits in sickness your medical care is provided without cost and your regular pay continues five travel and recreation in the Army you will enjoy the finest recreational facilities and opportunities for worldwide travel remember you have 30 days vacation with pay each year yes choose the career that offers all five get full details at your nearest Army and Air Force recruiting station the curtain rises on act two of the people next door starring Nancy Gile as pat day on that very special street that I know of the arc light is hissing and sputtering all manner of horrid gossip to the blue brick house while mixing up a fresh batch of yellow light and the pavement in which are swimming all manner of crazy things beetles and nets all keeping time to the very gay music that pours in a laughing cascade out of the windows and smiling door of the day house but next door in the blue brick house Jebediah and Abigail Knight are upstairs in bed not asleep though how could anyone sleep with that racket going on so Jebediah grunts and snorts and spins like a flying saucer and reaches that precarious mental state in which is described in colloquial terms as my my isn't that awful Abbey I'm going to call the police there are laws in this community to protect decent citizen now you'll do no such thing Jebediah irresponsible imbeciles creating an unholy disturbance at this time of night I'll admit they're a bit noisy Jebediah but it's only 10 o'clock time all decent people were in bed Jebediah what we're getting terribly old oh nonsense and with it we're becoming nasty and grumpy people what the world's come over you Abigail when that little missus day came over this evening to borrow the wine glasses I couldn't help thinking Jebediah she was like a breath of spring morning air she reminded me of a bouquet of first violence with her eyes sparkling like dew drops there are a pair of irresponsible jack-o-nips not a thought in the world beyond the tip of their noses borrowing wine glasses and a razor blade I don't know what the world's coming to going straight to the dogs Jebediah do you remember when we were first married I remember we didn't throw wild parties and borrow razor blades but we had taffy pools and hay rides and I used to borrow a cup of sugar once in a while from mrs. Perkins next door different different we assumed our responsibilities I worked like a dog so that we might eventually be secure which we are Jebediah and what does it mean you and I live alone in this old house we have money enough in the bank to buy anything we want but we don't want anything well you and I remind me of to dried up with it apples Jebediah in the bottom of a dark barrel oh I know those children next door careless irresponsible here today gone tomorrow but listen to them laugh how long has it been since we've laughed Jebediah I can see nothing enviable in their wine cackling Jebediah I'm worried about those children for the first time in more than 20 years I know what it means to worry nonsense they don't worry about themselves so why should you disturb yourself that's just it my dear they don't worry about themselves they don't worry or seem to care where tomorrow's meal is coming from and there's a baby on its way their deliberate misfortunes are no concern of ours abrogate perhaps not theirs Jebediah I'm thinking of the baby a helpless little wave coming into a world to parents who borrow wine glasses and having the vaguest notion of how much care and protection babies need I'm thinking Jebediah of our own son if God had only been willing that he should have lived somehow I wonder about the fairness of it all we who could give our child everything under the sun every advantage and yet our child was only born to breathe once or twice and return home I never even had the chance to hear him cry and there's the days happy and carefree as locks and their baby already sliding down the moon beams or perhaps I'm just a silly sentimental old woman Jebediah but I can't help feeling a dreadful responsibility for those foolish people next door well flat on my face you think I'm goofy come on come on well what's the flamin ruckus look only jump in Joseph at Patricia crackpot day what cooks isn't that the sweetest bassinet you've ever seen and look at these quilts real down yeah and look at these boxes George oodles and gobs of dresses and nightgowns and and dozens of doodads and there's even a bottle for sterilizing in a folding bathtub suffering great atma hit a belt Pat you you didn't charge all this stuff did you know well then how come I don't know what do you mean you don't know look murder tried the one about the fairy godmother went out with mustache cops all I know is George that this afternoon a truck drove up from the Emporium the man said are you Mrs. Day and I said yes and he said Mrs. George Day and I said yes and he said this stuff is for you and just then a taxi rolled up and five more fell out honest George that's exactly what happened somebody is nuts I even called the Emporium and said they'd made a mistake but they said no they hadn't we had the right name and this was the right address that's all they tell me maybe we have got a fairy godmother George well fully I don't want any fairy godmothers cluttering up the place I'll be perfectly able to buy our own stuff on the time comes get my invention sold and well Patricia send all this stuff back they won't take it back I've already asked well they can't do this to me whoever it is well I'll go to the law I'll take it to the Supreme Court George Sylvester Day is not never has been never will be an object of charity because I've got my self-respect and if necessary when George Sylvester Day Jr. is born he can sleep in a shoebox I've been scuttled and maligned and then yes yeah humiliated oh stop waving your arms and screeching somebody's at the door and furthermore if I catch up with this snake in the grass what somebody's at the door see who it is oh maybe it's some more pixies with a carload of Chippendale furniture and 42 grand pianos yeah oh I beg your pardon good afternoon Mr. Day how do you do I'm Mrs. Knight from next door is Mrs. Day at home yeah she's she's home won't you come in thank you Patricia hello there Mrs. Knight I'm terribly sorry to burst in on you this way Mrs. Day not in the least I hate to be an imposition my dear but I'm baking some apple tots and I was just wondering if you could lend me a cup of sugar we love you don't you don't you die he's the most adorable baby I've ever seen Mrs. Day that is a little pig he gained another two ounces this week he eats like a horse oops a daisy my sweet and you'll get all ready for a trip in the pea green boat oh bother I forgot his night count would you hold him for a moment Mrs. Knight while I get it oh I'd love to hold him over you go darling to your fairy godmother come on darling come on that's the big boy I'll just be a moment I am your fairy godmother darling and oh what fun it's been and what fun it's going to be for a long long time anybody will you it's our secret just between you and me yes you see I had a little boy once just like you only he couldn't stay very long I guess he had other things to do and you know I'll bet if you could only talk you could tell me about him before you get older and forget I I know that you knew him you must have been very good friends darling I think that's the reason you decided to come here to the people next door mind me Georgie of what mr. Knight that's it mr. Knight people who live next door shouldn't be so blame formal if Patricia is going to be Pat and Abigail is gonna be Abby you've got to stop calling me mr. Knight the name Jebediah so you Georgie from here on out I'll be just the name's Jebby Mrs. Day the name is Pat mr. Knight okay okay Jebby hey Jebby yes do you think you could find your way clear to lend my screwy husband a razor blade the curtain falls in the final act of the people next door our star Nancy Gile will return for a curtain call after this timely message from Wendell Niles valuable professional assignments in the Army Medical Department are now available to a limited number of young doctors in these positions doctors have a chance to work closely with top specialists in the various fields of medicine and keep abreast of the newest developments in the finest modern medical equipment in addition to regular pay and allowances they receive $100 per month professional pay for details write the Surgeon General Department of the Army Washington 25 DC now once again our star and our producer Nancy since this is your first appearance in our theater I want to officially introduce you to our audience and compliment you on a fine portrayal thank you CP but confidentially your microphone scares me to death what after working with Orson Wells and black magic and a little thing like a microphone frightens you that was a wonderful experience for me to make that picture in Italy with him but mr. Wells is exhausting not frightening like a microphone and what way well as you know the entire cast except for just a few of us we're all Italian or French so when mr. Wells discussed anything just anything at all with us or with mr. Rattle the director he didn't exactly whisper so the cast thought he was quarreling with you and with the director we yes that's it and being energetic and a very hardworking person we'll keep pace that's all and that is exhausting and another thing I played two parts one is mr. Wells wife and the others Marie Antoinette well mr. Rattle for strictly a morning man and I know Orson is an afternoon and evening worker exactly so with two parts I worked hard every minute which was doubly difficult I can appreciate that that now what have you been doing in the past year and a half in pictures I know you're under contract to 20th century Fox well I've temporarily retired for the most important job in the world I have a little daughter oh that's fine Nancy how old is she now Elizabeth Anne is just six months old oh you should have brought her along with you oh no I shouldn't see P you'd put her in radio and she's entirely too young to know what she wants to do but I let her listen to you every week well I appreciate that anyway by the way who is starting with you next week next week Nancy and ladies and gentlemen we shall have the Queen of the West none other than lovely Dale Evans to star in a great Texas story of water rights feuds and romance titled troubled waters don't miss it that should be good and we'll be listening goodbye CP goodbye Nancy be sure to listen next week ladies and gentlemen for Dale Evans in troubled waters until then thanks for listening and cheerio from Hollywood arrangements for the appearance of all stars in this program script was by Kimball S. Sant music of Eddie Dunstead this program is transcribed in Hollywood for release at this time Wendell Nile speaking


According to statistics, only a small percentage of you who watch our videos are actually subscribed. If you're not subscribed yet and you enjoy what you see, do consider hitting the subscribe button. This encourages YouTube's algorithm in promoting more of our mental health content to more people out there. Hey Psych2Goers, welcome back to another video.  Did you know these habits could be due to anxiety? How anxiety is manifested can be expressed in many ways. Even ways we may not necessarily associate with anxiety, which may make it hard to identify at first. It may express itself as a habit you've had since you were a child, so you dismiss it as just something that you do. Or it could be something you picked up along the way that you've come to accept as normal. Here are 8 habits you may not know could be caused by anxiety. 1.  To most, hair twirling is seen as an innocent act that some people do absentmindedly, and it can even seem cute. But in some instances, hair twirling can be a sign of anxiety. According to Healthline, hair twirling can be caused by anxiety and may be an anxiety disorder symptom. In an interview with Psych2Go, Dr. Marianne Terminello, a clinical psychologist, said that hair twirling can be a way of channeling excess energy into an activity that doesn't look like an anxiety response to outsiders. This in turn helps the person reduce their anxiety, because they feel their anxiety is masked and so aren't as self-conscious. Another unconscious habit that most might not think much of is picking at your skin. In some cases though, it can be a habit caused by anxiety. According to WebMD, finding that you can relieve stress and anxiety by repetitively picking at your skin can create a habit of it. This skin picking can then become a disorder called exoriation, if done excessively. According to Dr. Terminello, some skin picking, like peeling of the skin on a finger, can be a clear sign of anxiety. But others, like picking around the nail beds, which are more subtle, can be overlooked. 3.  While daydreaming isn't inherently bad, it can become troublesome when it's overdone and doesn't let you return to reality, or gets in the way of you completing everyday tasks. If this happens, it might be a sign of maladaptive daydreaming that may be caused by anxiety. In a 2020 study from Curious about maladaptive daydreaming, it was found that there is a connection between maladaptive daydreaming and generalized anxiety disorder. The study said maladaptive daydreaming can occur as a way to escape reality and anxiety, and feel safer in an imaginary place, and that general anxiety disorder can develop from not being able to manage these daydreams and their studies. It concluded that GAD was comorbid to maladaptive daydreaming. 4. Fidgeting or playing with something Do you often find yourself playing with the first thing that you have in your hand during a stressful moment? When we see other people playing with something in their hands, for example tapping a pencil in class, we think they're being disrespectful. But for some people, it's a way to channel the excess energy and restlessness that they're feeling. Smoking sometimes falls into that category of fidgeting. It allows people to take deep breaths, which can calm anxiety, and is similar to how diaphragmatic breathing can help with relaxation. Dr. Deborah R. Glassifer, a professor of clinical medical psychology, defines this fidgeting as edginess that can also manifest as irritability, shaking or trembling, which can be more visible to outsiders than the anxious person themselves. 5. Sleeping too much or too little Sometimes sleeping too little or too much can be a sign of anxiety, as people can use sleeping as a way to avoid anxiety. While sleeping is a way to take a pause or rest from anxiety, not getting enough sleep at night due to anxiety can mean that the anxiety is too overwhelming to let you rest. According to the Sleep Foundation, an online source for sleep information, there is a connection between sleep cycle and anxiety. Research has shown that anxiety can affect rapid eye movement sleep, provoking disturbing dreams and creating sleep disruption. The nightmares caused by anxiety can reinforce negative associations and fear about going to sleep. There can be a vicious cycle between anxiety and sleep deprivation, as worrying can cause disrupted sleep, which then causes more anxiety. 6. Being on social media too much Being on social media for hours or days on end can be a sign of anxiety as well. Like some of the other habits listed, social media gives us a way to escape from our stressors and anxiety triggers by engaging our minds in something else. For example, looking up pictures of cats on social media can distract you from your anxiety, then it can be a coping mechanism to deal with overwhelming anxiety. 7. Talking too much or too little or arguing The truth is that some people that may talk a lot are overwhelmed within a social situation, or they can't tolerate the silence, so they start talking in order to relieve that anxiety. Being quiet can indicate anxiety because they don't know what to say. Starting arguments can also be a sign of anxiety because they can blame ending the conversation on that other person and be able to escape it. In reality, the person is very anxious and overwhelmed, but instead of letting people know that, the argument instigated would rather people believe their jerks. 8. Forgetfulness and lack of concentration Memory and concentration are impacted by high levels of anxiety. If somebody keeps forgetting or keeps asking for things to be repeated because they're not concentrating or missing details of what you said and you're thinking to yourself that they don't care about what you say or that they're not listening to what you're saying, this could be anxiety. It could be that this person is so in their head about what's bothering them that they're not present and so they seem inattentive, like they don't care about the people who are talking to them. Do you recognize any of these habits? Do you recognize these habits in anyone you know? Let us know in the comments below. Remember to share this article with those who might benefit from it. As always, the references and studies used in this video are listed in the description below. Stay tuned for part two of this video. And until next time, take care.


So, I've got some nice local vegetables and fruits here and we are going to be making a chicken soup. It's a favorite. It's full of vegetables. Just got a little bit of chicken and we're going to chop everything up, put it in a pot. You can't go wrong. You don't have to put the same ingredients in your soup that I put in mine. This is just a suggestion, but my kids like it and it's a good healthy meal. Okay, so I start everything off with onions and garlic. There is no right or wrong way to do this.  I'm going to take a chunk of garlic and we're going to use the flat side of our blade to just give it a whack. Your shell of your garlic cracks open and it makes it much more easy to get it off. And I'll do two cloves for a whole pot of soup. I'm just going to peel a couple of carrots. If I had grown these in my own garden, then I would not peel them. You're just trying to get it into nice bite-sized pieces so that it's not too hard for them to get into their little mouths. The carrots should go in a separate bowl because they take a bit longer to cook. I'm going to put some potatoes in this soup today just because then it's kind of like a meal in one bowl. You've got your carbohydrates from the potatoes. You can also use pasta, cooked pasta, or rice. And I'm going to put this in with the carrots because all root vegetables like beets and potatoes and carrots, they all take a bit longer to cook than things like broccoli and cauliflower. Sometimes you can even give the kids a little plastic knife and ask them to help you chop it up. If they get involved, they're much more likely to try the dish that you're making. I don't like the idea of hiding vegetables from children because I think they're so beautiful. Why not show them that they're eating cauliflower? And I'm also going to add a little bit of broccoli. Why not get some dark green in there? One principle that is so easy to remember is if you can try and get as many colors in your soups and salads and stir fries as possible, you'll probably be covering all of the vitamin needs of your children because orange vegetables contain one kind of vitamin and green vegetables contain another kind.  And then the last thing I'm going to put in that bowl are some little zucchinis, baby zucchinis, that I just got at the market. They look great. And I don't want to overcook these because then they get mushy.  And now the last thing we have to do, and I always leave this to last, is our chicken. And that's just a food safety thing that my mom taught me. She said, never cut anything on a board that you've cut raw meat on. So I bought some nice, fresh chicken thighs. And I'm using this thigh meat because it's kind of more tender than the dry white meat. The chicken is going to flavor the soup, but you don't need a lot of it. You actually don't need a lot of meat in any soup. It's such a nice thing to just have a little bit of the meat flavor and have mostly vegetables. And that should be enough meat. In general, I think our kids probably eat a bit too much protein these days. So there's my chicken. Now I'm going to wash my hands and we're going to head over to the pot. So we're going to turn on our stove and wait for this pot to heat up. And then we'll add just a little bit of olive oil because we're going to start by sauteing garlic and onions. I have my heat at about medium right now and I'll turn it down a little bit later once the soup is boiling and just let it simmer. It should actually make a sizzling noise when it goes in there. This is the beginning of the flavor of your soup. It won't taste like boiled vegetables. It'll taste like something much better than that. So this is how you want the onions to look when you're just getting ready to add the chicken. They're just starting to get a little bit brown around the edges and there is a smell in the kitchen that you can only get from sauteing onions and garlic. And we're going to add our chicken. Just scrape it in. Now is where our fresh thyme from the garden comes in. Pull off some of the little tiny leaves.  It's the smell of cooking homemade soup in a house. After that we're going to add some powdered coriander and a little bit of paprika. As much or as little as you like, you don't have to add these spices, but you can. They add a bit of extra flavor. If you like chili powder, you can add a bit of chili powder. You just can play around with these different tastes and see which ones you like best. Our chicken is just starting to get a little bit brown. And then we're just going to add a bit of salt, some sugar, because we want to balance the tastes. We're going to add a bit of fresh lemon, not only to balance the taste, but also to tenderize the meat. Then we're going to add our potatoes and carrots, because these are the ones that take a bit longer to cook. So we're going to add these first. Just a little safety thing that my mother taught me. She said, if you have young children around, never leave the handle of your pot facing this way, because a little person can come and reach it and pull it down on themselves. She said, always turn the pot handle away. So I try and remember these little tips. And then we're going to add all of our other vegetables, pour some broth over, and top it up with some water if we need to, and then we have to taste it and see if we like it. And if not, we fix it up. Doesn't that look colorful and nice? I want to use chicken broth. You could use one of these. It's a bouillon cube, and you could basically just unwrap it. It looks kind of like this inside, and you can just throw them right in, and when you add your water and mix it around, it'll dissolve in the pot, and it'll make the soup taste a little bit soupier. And now we're just going to turn the heat up and wait for it to come to a boil. Once it boils, we're just going to cover it and turn the soup down and let it simmer for a while.