When I was younger, I, I was one of those people that said nuke, nuke-gular. Now I can't do it wrong without trying, but I used to say that. What's crazy for me was somebody said, just say new and clear and you've got it. Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear. Done. Okay. They said wash. And good now. Washington. Washington. I remember spelling Washington with an R and my mom saying it's not spelled with an R.  Oh boy. I was like, really? It's not wash either. She's like, no, no. My mom didn't say it that way really because she was from South St. Louis, but my dad did and everybody else I knew did. And then I noticed that after she pointed it out, I was like, oh, you don't say the R. I just thought that was your weird South St. Louis accent. Hey, how do you say Tony, the Olympic guys last name? Estengue? Estenguet? Well, we don't have Patrick here, so I'm not going to get it right. But I would say Estengue. I'm going to say Estengue. Yeah, I got it. I'm going to assume he's French since he's on the Paris Olympic Committee. He might be like Lithuanian or something. I don't know. Yeah. All right, I'm good. Garo Wienzerl texting me nice things. What is he doing? He's working on a cover for a book for me. Oh, yeah. That's what he's doing. Oh, very cool. And listening to damn fine podcast. Well, he works on it. I can't find my gunners. Oh, well, see, Ethan Kane says, I didn't know it wasn't worse until my mom's friend made fun of me in first grade. Really? Why is it always moms involved? Weird. I don't know. Yeah. Mom's friend. Geez, how rude. I also got really mad in kindergarten. I think I've told this story before. They asked for words that began with F and I was like, Frigerator. And they're like, no, that begins with R. And I'm like, no, it doesn't. Refrigerator begins with R. Frigerator begins with F.  It's Refrigerator. I'm like, what? That's hilarious. Did you say another F word after that or no? No, I didn't know that one yet. Yeah, that's pretty funny. I've said fridge growing up straight up fridge. Yeah, fridge, the fridge, you know, that's enough. And as far as I know, the fridge is in the actual dictionary. The word fridge. Yeah. Mrs. Wrench wasn't having it, though. I was so bad. I said, no, but fridge does begin with very much the same person I have today, but fridge does begin with F. You didn't say it had to be a word. Here it is, the fridge. Yeah, Miriam Webster dictionary says actual word. I don't know when it was added. Frid. Yeah, there's the guy who says it. Fridge. There you go. I mean, 1975, it might not have been in there yet. Good point. It's a good one. Ethan Cain says he didn't know his name was Anthony until third grade, because he couldn't find Tony on the pre-assigned name tags. That's a good story, too. I kind of feel like I didn't. I don't have a story quite like that, but I kind of remember realizing my name was Thomas at an early age, not Tom, even though everybody called me Tom. Yeah, that one explained. I didn't like the whole Scotty thing when that came up. Yeah. Wokey-dokey. Are you ready, Roger? Are you ready, Scott? I am. Did he? Not Scotty. Yes, I am so ready. My readiness level is currently at Def Con 2. Tommy is ready, too. Oh, good. Nobody ever called me Tommy, except for Joanne Ketchum and in junior high. Hey, Tommy, you ready? Yeah, I see. I don't even mind, because I'm like, I'm not sure. Yeah, I guess. What about Tomas? Oh, yeah, no, lots of people called me Tomas. Way more people have called me Tomas over the years than.  That was just people. I'll just know. Oh, it's Roger. Yeah, he calls me Wizard. Hey, Wizard. All right. Roger, do you want me to introduce you? Do you want to start doing that? Sure. You didn't put it in the lineup, so I didn't know. Yeah. OK, we're going to start introducing Roger at the top of the show, Scott, so that if he pipes up, people know who he is. Yeah, no, that's how you make Veronica Belmonts in this world. Yeah, exactly. So I don't want to be Veronica Belmont. All right, here we go. Hold on. In the same time. I'm going to make a T-shirt for Roger. This says I don't want to be Veronica Belmont. And then we'll make one for Veronica says I don't want to be Roger check. All right, all right, all right. Here we go. Three, two. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you to find out more. Head to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, August 9th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson is in the house and we're going to talk Funimation, no wait, animation, but we're going to have fun talking about it. Well, I'm glad we're doing that because I'm glad it's not lasers because tomorrow I have to get an I thing done. Lasers, which is kind of technical and technology driven, but I really don't want to talk about that. So I'm glad we're talking about animation. Yeah, so we're going to talk about the death of Adobe Flash, which we talked about a couple of weeks ago and what it doesn't mean for animation. Scott's got a lot of experience with this. Also here, of course, our producer, Roger Chang, is with us whom you may or may not hear pipe up throughout the show.  Speaking of, let's start with a few tech things you should know. The U.S. International Trade Commission has agreed to investigate Qualcomm's claims that Apple infringed on patents in the iPhone seven and other devices. The ITC will complete its investigation within 45 days. ITC is the one where if they decide yes, then the item gets put on a ban list, but then it's usually resolved before it actually gets banned. In the usual fashion, every generation has three or four lawsuits. That's just the way things go. Valve, you may know them as the runner of the Steam service on PCs and, of course, maker of great video games of your announced a new card-based video game called Artifact. It is indeed based on an existing game, though, their own Dota 2 game. It was called a duty to the game. Among the few details announced, the game will have three boards, characters from Dota 2, and somehow involved building barracks, creeps, lanes, that kind of stuff. We don't know much else about it, except we expected to launch in 2018. A lot of people are rumormongering that this is maybe their answer to Hearthstone. We'll see. Intel announced it will stream an announcement of its 14 nanometer eighth generation core CPUs, a.k.a. Coffee Lake on its Facebook page, August 21st. Very nice. Coffee Lake. Can you imagine a lake of coffee? Also, Anchor, who I love, and I have many anchor devices, probably way too many, released a smart speaker called Genie with Amazon Voice Services built into it. The Genie is about the size of Amazon's Echo Dot, but carries a better speaker and it sells for 35 on August 16th. I'm probably going to pick one of these up, given that I am sort of all in these days on the Amazon Voice Services stuff. Well, I don't know if it will work with your Amazon back end is the issue. It's got Amazon Voice Services on it, but it doesn't necessarily tie into your your app for the Amazon Echo. So like grocery lists and stuff like that may or may not work exactly the same. I guess if you're using a skill like I use our groceries for my grocery list, that could still work. So I'm curious on the back end what all is compatible. But yeah, it's $15 cheaper than an Amazon Echo Dot with a better speaker. I would say if it allows me to to use the skills that are installed. In other words, the installation part of it, I may still have to use either the app that I use with my selection of echoes or the web or whatever. If this thing will then tap into it as a second layer, I think I'm OK with that. Let me access music, use the commands and the way I would use an echo. Just give me the back end. I don't know that this is going to tap into all those Amazon services like music and stuff. That's true. I have very high hopes for this and it's probably going to get dashed. Well, for thirty five bucks, it's worth trying out. You can always return it if it doesn't. So let us know. I'm curious to know myself. Love Anchor, so they've never let me down before. A and K E R. If you're like, wait, anchor the app. No, anchor the case maker. Wall Street Journal reports 10 cent and Amazon have both invested in Andy Rubin's essential phone, the P H one. You may recall that Sprint is the exclusive carrier partner in the US, but they are selling it unlocked so you can use it with any SIM card. It doesn't have a release date yet, but it will be sold on Amazon and Best Buy once it does get a release date. Andy Rubin emailed me and everyone else who signed up for pre-orders saying that release date would be coming in August and it's August. So can't wait. I'm the P H one, P H balanced for you. Do you know, do you have interest in this thing? I mean, obviously I do.  It's an edge to edge screen. It just has a little notch for the camera. It's that titanium and ceramic case stock Android for the most part. And maybe those add on things like the three sixty camera will turn out to be cool, but mostly it's just a really well done Android phone. Yeah. Well, I'm curious how that thing is going to turn out. Disney announced it's buying a majority stake in BAM tech. Now, this is the streaming video company behind things like Major League Baseball and their streaming services and power such things as the NHL, MLB and HBO. Now not go though. Go is a separate deal, I guess still. But anyway, Disney also announced its plans to launch an ESPN branded streaming service in early 2018 with broadcasts not aired on other ESPN channels. And a new Disney and Pixar streaming service in 2019. That means as part of this announcement, Disney will end its agreement with Netflix or Disney and Pixar movies at the end of 2018. Now, this had broken right before we started the show yesterday. So we mentioned some of these things, but but the one particularly about Netflix.  It's just the end of an agreement. And you can argue the semantics of it. But it isn't Disney angrily storming over to Netflix and yanking their stuff out and starting their own. All Disney's doing is saying, hey, our agreement has some extensions in it. But essentially it's and it's over at the end of 2018. And when that happens, we're not going to renew it. And we're going to start our own Disney Pixar streaming service. And Bob Iger was very forthcoming in the earnings call saying, and we don't know what that means. It will just be Disney and Pixar. It won't be Marvel and Lucasfilm for now. But maybe we'll have Marvel and Lucasfilm movies available some other way. Maybe some of these Disney movies that are in the Disney streaming service will be available on other services like Netflix. We we have to figure out of those details. So my guess is they are trying to figure out the balance of how much stuff do we need to put into our own service to make it compelling? But how much stuff can we continue to sell to other companies like Netflix and Hulu to continue to keep those rubbish new streams alive? They just want to balance that out. Yeah. And I think if even all you watch is one Pixar, one Disney movie a month, maybe, and this service ends up to be around the seven or eight dollar range and who knows, they haven't talked about any of that. So we don't know anything about price point. It could be ridiculous and be 15 to 20 or something. And that would be kind of dumb in my opinion. But if it's inexpensive and affordable, I'm going to pay that to rent a single movie. Anyway, I think it's actually really smart of them. And I was talking to you on TMS this morning just to reiterate this, because I think it's an important point. There are some props due to Reed Hastings and the people at Netflix for having the forethought. Everybody always wondered why they spend so much money on their own program. And that seems crazy. They should work out better deals with everybody else first. Or I don't want this just to be the house of cards network or whatever. But I think now with a little 20, 20 behind us, you can see how everybody while once benefiting from writing on Netflix's back is now interested in doing it themselves and getting away from having to pay Netflix money to have their content there. Or I know those are complicated agreements, so it's not that simple. But but it but it makes a lot of sense. So I think that Reed Hastings and Netflix deciding to focus so much on original grown content has turned them into a brand and a channel rather than just a carrier of other people's things. And I think that's going to be good for them in the long haul. Yeah, that's true. And on the Disney side of it, too, Funkaround reminds us in our chat room here that Disney's had a streaming service running in the UK for a while. So this is this is not something brand new. They didn't have BAM Tech. My guess is that streaming service in the UK was a little test the waters moment to say, do we need to buy BAM Tech? And they decided, yeah, you know, and it's worth the money because it's not super easy to do these guys of streaming services. So there's that. There's also, and Gouchin pointed this out, each Netflix international market has a different agreement with Disney. So it's leaving the US at the end of 2018. It might leave other markets earlier. It might leave other markets much later. It depends on the market. Most of those markets, it's probably going to leave later because Disney is probably going to launch this Pixar service in the US to begin with, and it's not going to affect those international agreements for the moment. So is it slightly weird that HBO I assume would still use them for for what powers the back end of HBO go or HBO now, rather?  Netflix uses Web Services, right? And yet they're also in competition with Amazon. So that's like Samsung making chips for iPhones. It's a different part of the business. Yeah, everybody's ram in their iPhones. In fact, it's very much like CBS making American Idol for Fox, right, instead of making it for CBS. So I'm sure Disney will continue to want to get clients on BAM Tech, which will be a subsidiary that they operate that's like, hey, this is separate. This is just going to do its thing, but we'll be able to take advantage of it because we own it. I would tell you about the dream. I had their Walt Disney was brought back to life. He saw the current state of Disney and how big it's gotten and died again. Immediately. Did I tell you that dream? I had that horrible. That's a nightmare. Awful dream. I actually had that dream, though. Do you really? I thought you were just being snide. You really had a dream like that. I had a dream where we figured out a technology to bring him back. Revived him. Yeah. And in 2017, he surveyed what what has become of his company and not in a negative way. It's amazing what Disney is now. Yeah, but he just couldn't take it and he died again. He was like, ESPN, my heart. He wouldn't even know what it is. Sports. Sports. What do you mean? He likes sports. Didn't he not like sports? He probably likes sports. Maybe. Who knows? We'll talk to his frozen head. Yeah. Well, when you have your next dream, ask him if he likes sports. All right. Intel announced its intention to build a fleet of 100 level four autonomous cars for testing in the US, Israel and Europe with the first cars to hit the road in Arizona by the end of the year. Now, level four, if you've lost track, means that a car can handle most driving situations itself, but it still needs a human operator to be available in case there's a situation it can't. Level five is the one where you're like, you don't even need a human in there. It's fine. Intel just completed its acquisition of car sensor maker Mobileye. If you remember, Mobileye and Tesla had a little spat over the fatality with Tesla's autopilot system. And Mobileye no longer works with Tesla, but now they're owned by Intel. And Intel is going to put them to good use. Intel also has partnerships with BMW and Delphi. Mobileye has a partnership with Audi. And Intel hopes to eventually sell its system to automakers by 2019. So some aggressive timelines here. All coming together. Co-president of the Paris Olympic Committee, that's Tony Estangue. Estangue. Says his plant. Sorry, Patrick. You can pipe in next Tuesday when you heard this. Anyway. He says he plans to hold talks with eSports officials about adding competitive video games to the 2024 Olympics. Now, eSports will be a demo event of the 2018 Asian Games and have full metal status in the 2022 Asian Games. No final decisions will be made about the Olympics until after the 2020 Games in Tokyo. Now, we have so much to say about this, but we don't want to eat a bunch of time with it. So I'm just going to say this. I both love the idea. And I'm also skeptical of it. Because now we're going to get into that big philosophical about what is an Olympic sport and what isn't, and how much of it should be physical, and what can or can't be. Why isn't chess won then? Well, your argument this morning was eSports has a way broader audience, so that brings more eyeballs. So then it's less about competition and more about competition plus eyeballs. So there's a lot to be said about it, but I'm very interested to see if they could pull this off.  And part of what makes sports these days is a following. It's people willing to show up and cheer and root. And that's really become the spirit of the Olympics. I know that wasn't the original spirit of the Olympics in 1886, but the spirit of the Olympics is, let's cheer for great athletes. Well, obviously most people cheer for their home country, but also cheer for these other people who are doing outstanding things like Usain Bolt, for instance. And that happens in eSports. People cheer for teams and even individuals, especially in single player games like Hearthstone, because they're really good and we admire seeing that. So there's that side of it for eSports that I think is compelling and does feel Olympic. Yeah, not only that, the eSports in general have completely put on the attire of sports. They sound like sports. They're reported like sports. Even Hearthstone feels like a golf game being commentated on by two people at a desk. He's got lethal, but does he know it, Scott? Right, exactly. And the guys that are doing Dota matches, League of Legends matches, Heroes of the Storm matches, these guys are like play-by-play better than football, better than basketball. She really knows how to tech these decks. Exactly. So if they've got the optics and they've already got the tone and all that, I mean, it's an easy fit, I guess, is what I'm saying. If the rest of the world will accept it for what it is, which is a pretty competitive, fun thing to do. So we'll see. Well, they're not making any decisions, like you said, until after Tokyo, so we'll keep an eye on it. Sony said it has developed a system for storing and managing educational records on a blockchain. So the idea would be degrees, diplomas, transcripts, all that stuff would be stored digitally and make it easier for third parties to say, I would like to request Scott Johnson's transcript and not have to have a school go into a filing cabinet, pull out the degree in the transcript, make a copy, put it in the mail, but yet avoid fraud. So it wouldn't be somebody who's like, oh, I've got Scott's transcript, sure it is. I mean, the blockchain would be used to verify it. Yeah, I like this idea. Once again, another fine use for the blockchain technology and use case, but I don't know how close is this to, well, I guess either way, it's more protected. They've developed the system. They're ready to market it. If they can get a few universities on board, this is where a blockchain gets exciting for me because the whole cryptocurrency has its own set of issues about, but wait, why is that money? Which we've gone through multiple times. But this is like, I think you can very easily understand the need to make sure that a transcript is authentic and the need to make it easier to get to that transcript. And the reason transcripts aren't easy to get to is you don't want fraud. You don't want people to pretend they're sending a transcript that's not real. This has the best of both worlds. That's the beauty of the blockchain. Because it is massively verified, it's incredibly difficult to fake, but at the same time, easy to access if you want it to be easily accessed. Yeah, also kind of a low impact test for future uses, like say medical records or that kind of stuff. So yeah, I love this sort of stuff. To me, this is what's making blockchain real in both my head and the head of the general public. So the more uses like this we find, I think the better. Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to our sister podcast, DailyTechHeadlines.com. You can not only get it as a podcast, you can also get it in the anchor app on Google Home and the Amazon Echo. All right, animation, flash. We started talking about this on TMS a couple of weeks ago when we talked about the fact that Adobe has put an end date on flash. And you brought up something that I don't think about enough and kind of forget is that flash isn't the flash player, which is being replaced by HTML5, flash is also the animation software. It is. I mean, flash for so long in the early days was purely just animation. And what they learned was, hey, some people want to maybe make websites out of this. So we need some programmatic functionality. We need to be able to pull variables and tap into databases. So they started shoving some of that functionality in there even back in the macro media days before Adobe owned it or bought it. And then as time went on, that became more and more what flash was and less and less a nifty animation program that dealt with vectors and everything else. So as that started to happen, it became bloated. And now we're in a place where it is extremely bloated and a mess and unsecure and even Adobe doesn't really like it. So that brings us to current. And that's a lot of very compressed history. There's all kinds of stuff going on during that time. But the bottom line is it became more of a programming language almost than it did a animation suite. And despite all of that, during that period and today, people still use flash for a whole lot of things to deal with animation. Shows like Bob's Burgers launched its first season using flash. Many, many shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Archer started there, My Little Pony. And when I said started there, I'll get to that in a minute. But Bojack Horseman, all those kinds of shows, even newer things like Bojack on Netflix, Flash is a go-to tool for a lot of animation studios doing primarily television work, although there are some movies. And so you're saying they're using flash as an animation software that then turns it into a television show, not that they're creating it in Flash so they can embed it on their website and play it in the Flash player. Those are two different things. Exactly, it's almost like, I was trying to think of a good analogy for this earlier today, and I couldn't think of one, but think of some other product where they have a primary function and then they add a little something that totally overshadowed the original primary function and then became demonized for it. And everyone kind of forgot that the primary function was still there, still viable, still good. Adobe's way of dealing with that here recently was to literally change the name and get that dirty Flash name out of there because it carries so much baggage and instead call it Adobe Animate. And they made a big deal out of it and they had a big presentation at their Adobe Summit and there was Twitch streams of them demonstrating it. It was a little overblown because at the end of the day, it turned out it's basically just Flash still. It's just rebranded, a little more animation focus, better export and import functionalities and things that are gonna help animators. But for the most part, it's just kind of forked Flash in a way. So instead of the story that I was hoping we were going to have of, while the Flash player is dying, Adobe Animate continues to be a wonderful, it doesn't sound like that's actually that good either or at least not being used as often. It can. Here's the problem and this is the crux or this is where we take a little bit of a turn. During that mess of brand confusion and frustration about players, and you remember the early iPhone days, Oh yeah, a hard line of Steve Jobs, no Flash, we're not gonna support it. There was the whole Android cyber, it's like, oh yeah, well I can run Flash but now nobody wants to run Flash of any kind or type.  It's a bad example, but that's kind of what that thing became from them. Because of that and that kind of fight that they've been having and the name problem, others have stepped in and really kind of changed the face of things. I mentioned Bobsburgers launching with Flash. Well, these days it uses TombBoom by Harmony. In other examples of that would be Spongebob and Rick and Morty, the Simpsons now uses TombBoom. Their movie actually used it as well. FamilyGar Archer also converted from Flash to now using TombBoom. Well, Bobsburgers and Archer, right? There's the H John Benjamin commonality there. So it makes sense that they would also share animations on it. Why not? They're gonna ship the main voice actor, the tech behind it, but Clone Wars even because there's a lot of 3D functionality that is also part of TombBoom. But it's a nice piece of software combined 2D animation with 3D and other styles.  Another very popular one is Anime Studio Pro. It started out as a bit of an underdog but it's quickly kind of caught up feature-wise. I would put it still behind TombBoom in terms of overall features and functionality, timeline control, that kind of stuff.  So perhaps that's a little better option for some. And then there's this third option that has the potential of rocking everybody's boat, not just flashes. And that's tunes or now called open tunes. And this was used to make Futurama, at least in its last, it's final, whatever they were for new seasons. Studio Ghibli uses it for all their stuff, House Flying Castle, I can't think of all their movies, you know the ones. So all that famous studio using it, it is now called Tunes Ghibli Edition. And it went full open source in 2016. Definitely worth looking at. You're talking about production grade stuff, something you could make an entire television show on. It's really good. Now, the reason I even give these examples is just to say this is no longer flashes, the only place in town. Photoshop still kind of has that cache. It is still the number one graphics illustration editing software there is, but there are plenty of pretenders to the crown, lots of competition, but they still hold that really high spot. Same goes for Illustrator, same goes for many of the Adobe Suite applications, but they have lost ground here. And it's really unfortunate because we now live in what I would refer to as the golden age of especially televised animation. And not just that, creatives on the web doing YouTube channels or whatever, they have access to tools they've never had access to before and they're doing really, really great, incredible work with it. And more and more of that stuff isn't flash. It used to be all flash. So it's a big dropped ball for them. I'm not sure if I could go back in time, what I would tell them to do any different because I think at the time it made sense for them to expand flash and what it could do. Well, flash was the name of the animation software and player was the name of the thing that got the bad name. But at a certain point, most people only had experience with the player. And so flash became associated with something that was not fast at all, in fact, but was a sometimes a train wreck. By the way, real quickly, Animally Studio Pro, if you're looking for it, is now called Moho. They've recently- Oh, that's how they rebranded it, I told you. So if you're like, I can't find that, that would be why. Thank you, Ethan Kane for pointing that out. Now, one of the things I remember from back in like 2007 was when 3D became really cheap. You talk about not having to spend money, Maya was free back in the day for 3D. So where does this stand, if you wanna do more than just 2D, if you wanna do stop motion or 3D or anything like that? Well, if you're talking stop motion, the only game in town, as far as anyone can serve is something called Dragon Frame. And Leica and Ardman Studios, which are pretty much the only major studios doing feature length stop motion animation plus a lot of TV in the UK for Ardman. That is the monster in the field. Nobody even comes close. There's lots of other stuff you can dabble with and mess with but Dragon Frame is kind of the only game in town and it's very expensive. So that's your stop motion answer. In terms of 3D, Maya is still king of the road.  It is the skill set to have, it is the software to beat, it is the one. And it is in fact, what South Park uses of all things. Which isn't 3D. Oh, I know that's what's so weird about South Park. And once in a while, they'll include some 3D elements but it's very rare. It's like Futurama that way. There might be a little interstitial or something. But they basically, this is how they started, which is crazy. They started using CorelDraw back in the day. Well, before that, they used cut out pictures and did stop motion. But then they started recreating those images in CorelDraw, then imported that stuff into something called Power Animator and then used a bunch of CGI workstations to animate the characters. And they were like, it was like a 54 processor render farm, 10 to 15 shots an hour is what they got out of that. Beginning with season five and forward, they began using Maya instead of Power Animator. And now they run this much bigger render farm, produces way more. If you've seen the movie, Six Days to Air, which is a, I thought you were gonna tell me, and now they read it on one server. But instead they're using 120 processors instead of 54, but they can get more shots per hour though. Yeah, they only get 30 per hour. But what's crazy about that, other than it just being a fun technical fact, and it may be a little faster now, some of these numbers may be a little bit dated for them. And I don't know that they're talking about their process as much, but think about what South Park is and think about their timeline. They build a show in Six Days, writing to finished. And the goal the entire time is to always make sure it still looks like old cut out paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the trouble they have to go to and make it look simple. Yeah, to me that's really, really funny. But if you're working as an animator, you're looking for a job in the video game business, you're looking for a job in film and animation is your thing. Heck, if you wanna make graphics for Monday night football, Maya, Maya, Maya all the way, it is the Photoshop of the 3D world. And there is a free student slash educator edition of it. If you can't afford the $1,500. And this being a tech show and you being a fan of open source, I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention Blender. There's a strong argument for that. It's free, it's open source. It is not up to the standards of Maya, but it does a lot of really cool stuff. Their entire video games that owe their creation to somebody knowing how to use Blender. So Blender's also a good option. The end result of all this though, is it does just feel like Adobe missed an opportunity that was already in their backyard. To me, it's akin to like Blizzard not making Dota when it was built in their backyard and somebody else did it and League of Legends and Dota are not eating your lunch. It's a little like that. So I don't know what they would have done different hindsight's 2020, but next time you're watching your favorite animated cartoon on Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network or Adult Swim, your next episode of Rick and Morty, know that these tools are not only available to you, they're available at a relatively low price and just about anybody can learn this stuff. So my big recommendations coming away from this are learn Maya and learn Toon Boom from Harmony. That seems to be where everybody's going now for their TV production. And we'll have links to all of this in the show notes at dailytechnewshow.com. Big thanks to Ethan Kane for putting those together. And thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and kick them around in our Facebook group, Facebook.com slash group slash Daily Tech News Show. Couple messages of the day really quickly before we're out of here. Joe the pilot wrote in regarding Chris Christensen's tech and travel minute on the pilot shortage. Long story short, Joe says, the truth is the shortage isn't truly here yet. There's just a shortage of pilots willing to work for $20,000 a year like a dog with nothing to show for it when many places start you at $60,000 and are happy to have you. There is no shortage at Southwest Airlines and Delta Airlines. He's saying it's about pay, not qualified people. And I love Joe's analogy. He wrote, I tell you, Tom, there's a serious shortage of people willing to give me an hour long massage for 20 bucks. I asked every neighbor kid if they'd mow my lawn for 10 bucks a month. Would you believe no one took my money? There's an effing shortage, Tom. I need computer operated lawn mowers so I can remove the kid. Wait, you're saying computer operated lawn mowers aren't free? Maybe I'll just set the yard on fire once every two weeks and I'll blame the house burning down on those greeting neighbor kids. That's pretty good analogy, actually. Yeah. I feel, I'm more comfortable knowing pilots making a lot more than 60K a year, by the way. I don't think those are meant to be accurate numbers. They're just sort of illustrative of the differences. Yeah, they must be. I mean, part of it is also to fly for one of the larger airlines. You need to have a crew so many flight hours. And the smaller puddle jumper airlines tend to be more open so you can cram those hours in. And if you remove, another thing Joe said in the rest of his email that I don't have here is if you remove a certain number of passengers, you can have a single pilot on the plane which some airlines have tried to use as a way to save money as well. Yeah, well, they do whatever they can to save money as well. Scott, can you read the next email? I sure can. Mike writes in. I forwarded the part of Monday's episode about organs and car fatalities to my wife and she had a comment. So brace yourselves. Here we go. Listen to the podcast you sent was a little, maybe a lot frustrated by the sign up to be an organ donor. You do it when you get your driver's license. A big problem is that only tells them to preserve the organs. Your next of kin ultimately has to okay the actual donation. And this step is where there is a ton of drop off. They should make sure your family knows that you truly want to be a donor. She emphasizes. And that's a really good point. I didn't know that either actually. My dad was an organ donor and we were all for it. We must have, my mom must have at some point said, oh yeah, he wants to do that and how does organs donated? But without that consent, I don't like that idea at all. I know what his intent was. And I think a lot of people, myself included apologies to Mike's wife, assume that, well, of course she'll tell your family, right? But apparently not. And that's where the drop off is. And at organ donor.gov where I got a lot of my information it makes that clear. It's like register, then make sure to inform your loved ones that this is in fact your wish. I mean, you can't control what they do after the fact, obviously. But that's an essential part of making sure it happened. So thank you for that. Unless it's my brain, nobody cares about my brain. It's fine. Oh, I don't know. It might be delicious. No, wait, that's not what we're talking about. Hey, thank you, Scott Johnson. We love your brain.  My brain has been up to many things. If you like daily tech news show, then you're already listening to the best show for that every day. But if you also like other daily shows, if that's how you like your content, I've got some great news for you because I do a morning show every Monday through Thursday at 10 a.m. Mountain Time. That's 9 a.m. Pacific. 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Back tomorrow with Justin, Robert Young. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Bob, I hope you have enjoyed this program. Good show. That was really good, Scott. Thank you. You bet. It was nice and tight. Yeah. Tight, tight. That was a good explanation of stuff. Yeah, no, it was good. Although I would add, if you want to just do standard video editing, you should really pick up or learn After Effects because that's kind of- Oh yeah. That's another thing I'm actually meant to mention is that if you're looking to just get some quick dirty presentation-y style animation done After Effects is awesome for that. And not just that. It's great for lots of things in the post-production stuff, but- It's super handy, but it's heavily used, especially if you're doing any kind of titling or any kind of package stuff for PR or marketing. Yeah, for sure. You wouldn't make a whole narrative TV show out of it, but you know, other stuff. But it's a good compliment to Premiere. They, for some reason, haven't made it a little more upgraded than it should be, but yeah. I'm convinced half the reason Rick and Morty exist and got Greenlit isn't just because Dan Harmon's writing, co-creating on Twet's name and all that stuff is great, but it used to be really expensive to commit to this. So- Well, I almost mentioned, and then I cut it for time in my own head, the problems that John Stuart had, where he was gonna do an animated thing for HBO on the news and being able to turn it around in the short amount of time that they needed to keep it newsworthy just turned out not to be possible. Yeah, it's definitely gotten, that sort of thing's gotten easier. And if anything, South Park's shown that you can do it in six days and they almost kill themselves every six days. They gotta crank that stuff. Yeah, and John Stuart was trying to do it in a day or two at the most, right? I mean, that's being in super ambitious. I mean, you gotta throw, and the thing is you could do it, you just gotta throw bodies at it, which means- What is the Taiwanese company that's, I think they still do it, but they don't get memeified as much as they used to, where they make these animations of news stories. Yeah. Right, I used to look. But like the Simpsons, Futurama and all that stuff while using the software I mentioned, they're still being outsourced to South Korea for the most part. And I could have mentioned that too, but anyway, that's for less, you know, cheaper labor. And so it's subject to those same kinds of cost-cutting potentials of like, well, it's too expensive to do it in the States, so let's have someone in Vietnam do it. Well, because Korea is not as cheap as it used to be. And so, yeah, you're always looking for the next market that has the affordable workforce. All the DC animated features are all cranked out in South Korea because there's, first of all, there's a relationship to they understand the pipeline, like how they need to get these characters. And that's, it's weird because a lot of those relationships are built over time and they're not always based on straight dollar amounts, right? For example, like the Clone Wars animated feature that was the series was all done in Singapore, or mostly done in Singapore for the last bunch of seasons. And that really didn't save them as much money as you thought. That was just because there was a relationship between someone at Disney and that studio in Singapore. So it's, I mean, to be honest, it's show business. It's who you know. And- Yeah, still saying no matter if you're in a live act and it doesn't matter. I mean, it's funny, because I wanted to, my friend works over, she does visual effects and she'd spend so much time while just dealing with this stuff. But she told me like, yeah, one time my boss came to me, it's like, you need to learn Nuke over the weekend and start working on this. And for anyone that is not familiar, Nuke is a compositing software for 2D and 3D animation. So like, if you watch any TV show and whether it's the Dome or anything that they do effects on a weekly basis, it's done with software like Nuke and stuff where they gotta put it in. But it's crazy just the turnaround times or the contracts, they get negotiated. They're cranking the amount of OT on the weekends they work in. Like, oh, I had a six-day work week again. Well, hopefully a bunch of people get a kick out of it. I love that whole side of that business, I think. It's fun, but you know what? This is the dirty secret is there's so many young energetic people who wanna do it and are so willing to get their foot in the door, they'll do it for like nothing. And so what you have is not all places, but you kinda have this with, for example, the movie Pie, Life of Pie, Rhythm and Hughes and stuff. There really isn't the same level of respect for a lot of the visual effects on the back and in the post-production end that you have on the film.  I don't wanna. Basically, just put most of this talk- What Roger's trying to say is he looked into going into visual effects and then realized it's a young man's game and got depressed. Well, it's not just young. You just gotta be willing to be hungry most of the time. All right, titles. I already picked the title. I had to, because I was already at the export. I'm sorry. That's all right, you're having, I didn't wanna interrupt, it was a good conversation. I went, we should read a bunch of them anyway and then I'll tell you which one I picked. DTNS Daily Tommy and Scotty Show. Oh, don't read that one. You just don't, that's the top one. Read the good ones. All right, this Genie Grants, more of the three wishes. I'm just kidding, TVZGun. Disney leaves the Netflix vault. Goes back to its own. Anchor floats a Genie. Amazon's phone is essentially essential for you. Wham, bam, thank you, Walt. Disney leaves Netflix with the band. I like these. I like these bam takes. Missing Netflix, Disney, Netflix. Roll tide. Four sheets to the wind. Doc blocked. Waking up at the coffee lake until invites us for coffee, Netflix and waltz. Who didn't doc blocked? Who was that? Dark Redeemer, he's on a roll. This flicks says no flicks to Netflix. Disney says let it go to Netflix. Doc chain, degree chain. What's that block chain? Degree from the block, flashback, gone in a flash, not a flash on the pan. My little flashy is dead.  Hate the player, not the flash. US reviews, rotten apple. Lot of flash, valve on cover's artifact. Hate the player, not the flash is really good. It's pretty funny. It's not the one I went with, it's good. Sony updates your permanent record. I might have to change my mind actually. Barry Allen. He's supposed to come back, but in what form we'll find out in the next season of The Flash. My name is Barry Allen. I'm the slowest, buggiest animation player alive. My name is Barry Allen. I'm the superhero that cries and weeps the most. He doesn't cry. He cries. Stop, stop shaming him for having feelings, Roger. He's just a fully featured human being. Fully featured man. Also fictional. Fully featured fictional man. Well, I went with Flashpoint. That was pretty good. But it's not too late to change it because I'm about to put the image in. If we want to go with hate the player, not the flash. I mean, I like that one, but I also like the other one. I'm... All right, then we'll stay. If there's not an overwhelming feelings of changing, Flashpoint it is. Because I was like, oh, the point of this is to talk about flash. We are at the point with flashes being retired. So many ways to go with it. Yeah, it's good. It's the main topic and all that. I like it. I don't think...  Whoever reminds me of that terrible analogy.  Thing is, I don't know if it says more about you or me than I knew exactly what you meant by that. I don't know. Probably says something about all of us. Flash is kind of odd because wasn't that just kind of what they pulled out of Director, Macromedia Director? Well, Flash... That's the other scene. I didn't want to bring that up because it gets really confusing. You started talking about Shockwave and all that. Yeah, yeah, we're Shockwaves in that conversation. This is a place we probably don't want to go, but... Yeah, I mean, it was all... All that stuff came out of the director suite. And Flash was just a piece of it. I remember learning it in college. I remember when I started working at CNET and I had a few years under my belt of uploading video to websites at that point, playing them in real player for the most part. And CNET was like, we're using Flash for video. And I thought, that sounds like a really bad idea, but I can't put my finger on why. And the thing was, it looked really good, but that Flash player caused so many problems over the years. Yeah, it's a weird story to history. Well, and it's not... What I never liked about it is it's not standards compliant. So if you don't have Flash, it just breaks, right? Whereas if you HTML5, if you have a web browser that's standards compliant, it works. It just works for everybody. And the Flash player was an entry point for infections and crashed all the time and didn't work on the phone, all that stuff. Yeah, it's a checkerboard history of nightmarish proportions, but it had its moments. It may yet have more. But it'll be... The question is, is Adobe playing Savitar? That is a good question. So wait a minute, you got faster by a shockwave Savitar? Where does Silverlight fit in here? Yeah. Microsoft says they had the Flash. Shockwave is the reverse Flash, I think. Yeah, there you go. Nice. The Yellow Flash. Hey, what happened to... Whatever happened to Silverlight? Athon, CEO of Adobe. Whatever happened to what? Silverlight. Yeah, they're done with that, right? I don't think they've deprecated it. I don't think they've deprecated it, but I may be forgetting. I thought the whole point was there. I thought it was just kind of floating out there. And it's legacy. Like they stopped using it a lot, but... Well, Netflix used to use it and they quit using it. Yeah, Netflix was Silverlight. Oh, no, they did deprecate it. I just forgot. They deprecated it. Silverlight was used to provide video streaming for the 2008 and 2010 Olympics. End of Life would be moving. Yeah, Microsoft announced End of Life in 2013. I covered that, I just didn't remember it. I wonder, well, actually I probably don't wonder. I guess it's... You don't want to know. I really like this episode because we got good news coverage, but then we got this really good conversation that I never would have been able to have on my own. And we did it in 30 minutes. Yeah. Well, I actually wanted to add one thing, one great thing about all this animation software is it runs on off-the-shelf hardware. Remember, there used to be things that you had to run on a MIPS processor or buy it in conjunction with an SGI workstation. Yeah, you had to get a special card.  And then the guy who managed it would keep all the dongles on the shelf in a locked cage, so no one went home with it. Yep. You don't want people pirating the software. And then they found out that... I took one of those home from Tech TV because it was on a table of giveaway items when they were getting rid of stuff before they moved down to LA. And then when I got home, I realized, well, I can't use this. It's not authorized. I... What was it? I missed that. There's so many things I wanted. But I remember, it's weird because video editing software is kind of going through a big change where for the longest time, it was Avid Media 100, and then, I mean, Avid's still big in use. But where people can go through and use Premiere Pro and still run it out is the final product. Dude, Premiere is killing it right now. If the Adobe numbers would be to believe they're doing real, real good with it.  Yeah, they might. They seem pretty...  Well, one of the big issues with Final Cut is it's married to Apple hardware, which isn't a bad thing, but... Thurman Jamison just bought a copy of Pilot X. Thank you, Thurman. Oh, very nice. Donkey poop. Donkey poop. Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot. You know the words of Donkey poop. I know. It goes, well, it goes exactly with the music to gummy bears, the TV show. Ironically enough, and I'm not sure if this is apocryphal, that the whole reason why that cartoon came about is because who was the CEO of Disney back in the 90s? No, I mean... And I, Gregor is now, you're thinking of... Eisner. Eisner. Eisner. The other guy, he noticed that his kid was really, really digging gummy bear candy. Like, oh, it might be a property that we could make. Hey, it was this day in 1974 when Richard Nixon resigned. All right. Still got a library. I've been to his library. Wasn't today the day Nagasaki got bombed? Is it? Is it? The eighth? Wasn't yesterday, no, wasn't it yesterday or no? Yeah, it had been yesterday. It's Marvin Minsky's birthday. That. The Minsky moment? Yeah, August 6th through the ninth. So wait a minute. Oh, oh, that's all the bombings. Hold on. That's a horrible, that's not helpful. Are they all one article? Bombing is rough. Yeah, so August 9th. No, it was Nagasaki. You're right.  Yeah, those are good. Those are fun dates to get excited about. On those pleasant notes, we're going to leave you. Thank you all. Rainbows, puppies, unicorns. And. Slurpees. Slurpees. High sea slurpees. Snow cones. That was great. Cherry icies. Hope you feel better now. Goodbye, we'll talk to you tomorrow.