I had a lovely walk though. If we need Dr. Daniels coming soon. I didn't catch where that was. Right there. You're not reaching this. All right. Secretary. Sorry, we had a whole hour and I reached the materials. Yeah, I mean, come on, this is what my students do. Let me go get the other one. Where did they learn it from their parents? I suppose so. Probably will. All right. Well, good evening. Welcome to the continuation of our evening. But this is the beginning of our regular meeting for the Zoukau Creek Water District. Roll call will show all of the directors here. We have no public hearing. And I thought that we would start with item 6.2 rather than the first item, which is something that we really enjoy doing. And the video contest is really exciting. And I love to see all of the energy that students put into creating these. And I think it's a great program. So we have nine winners. They were awarded for their original videos for the about. This one was about water wise gardens at the Zoukau Creek Water District. So anyway, we have this is the fifth annual student made video contest organized by the Water Conservation Coalition of Santa Cruz County and the Monterey County Water Awareness Committee. And over 90 videos were submitted from Aptos High School, Carmel, Gonzalez, Pajaro Valley, Scots Valley, and Watsonville High School. So we have, I don't know whether to start. Well, I guess I'll start from the top instead of like in third place. So the top winning videos, there are two. And they are going to receive a $500 gift for their work. And we have certificates as well. Do we want to show each one now? The first one is Dr. Tolerant Plants by Malia Kesslery from Aptos High. And the other award is Three Easy Ways to Be More Waterwise by Winston Matwondo from Scots Valley High School. Using plants that require less water will help save our environment. After three years, Dr. Tolerant Plants may need no additional water, whereas water-wasting plants may need water daily.  I can show the other videos after we present, or can show them. Yeah, so let's honor them. And then also, we want to honor Joel Domhoff, whose teacher, I think both at Scots Valley and at Aptos High. I know he's at Aptos High. And so I want to congratulate him as well for all that good work. So can we ask Malia and Winston and Joel to come up, please? Yeah, come up. Yeah, you can come up here, please.  Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's do it without water. OK, roll it up. Without water. Questioning, so will we get the shots up? I don't know. I don't know. Oh, I think it works. Don't get one. Can everybody take this one step in? Squeeze it a little. Squeeze it a little. Squeeze it a little bit. You can say, water. Water. So we're expecting my cheer. See how you get age over the years. I think we're going to show a couple more videos. Yes. Then winners must stick around for the entire week. You do not. Let me just list the winners. OK. So the other winners that will also get $350 per video team, we have one by Rosemary Seja from Watsonville High School called Water Conservation. There's another, second one is Las Nativas Son Amigas by Azucena Lopez, Breonna Lopez, social Martinez. Those are from Pajaro Valley High. Be wise to your garden or in your garden by Chase McChrystal from Carmel High School. And fourth is Types of Gardening by Jessica Zavala, Jasmine Tapia, Jasmine Jimenez and Jasmine Limon from Watsonville High. Wow. Three Jasmine's. Different spelling. All right. And I also want to note the, or should we note the teachers and the schools? Oh, yes. And then there were also three honorable mentions. There's Capitan Agua by Gustavo Nunez and Angel Valdes from Watsonville High School. Water Conservation WHS Video Academy by Juan Garcia Vega from Watsonville High. And Waterwise Gardening 2019 by Maria Vasquez Gonzalez from Watsonville High. And other teachers were Dale Poor from Watsonville High School, Kyla Plumlee from Pajaro Valley High and Joe Mello from Carmel High School. So enjoy. All right. These are from Watsonville High School. We had lots of black space at the end. We didn't dock her for those points. Johnson from Watsonville High. The student is from Carmel High. Did you know using mulch and compost helps create healthy soil? You can find free and low cost mulch from local tree trimming companies. This may seem like a very small change. So make sure to be wise in your garden. How are you doing? With the power of succulents, we can change the future of gardens. With this plant, we can save a lot of water. Please help us. Everyone wants this kind of water from their house to depict the notions of hard work. Although all these plants tend to cause some problems, they waste abundance of water and cost money and work. That's why little maintenance gardens like these help improve the environment. These wireless water and traditional lawn using succulents and other low water usage systems to conserve water can save you a total of 63,000 gallons over time. So what are your local nursery or garden locations to begin your future water saving garden? Because saving the environment is like saving the world. I guess that's all that I had queued up there. A couple people didn't fill out their forms so we can't show them on TV yet. All right. Well, once again, thank you all so much. And you really don't have to stay for the whole meeting. It's okay. I'd say you shouldn't. But you are welcome to. And I just want to follow up that all of these videos are online at watersavingtips.org under the resources and the 2019 video contest. And they're going to be shown on KION, Telemundo, Estrella, KSBW, Cinema 9 in Santa Cruz, and online. And also it's Cinema 9 before the movies. Cinema 9 before the movies, yeah. Oh, cool. Thank you. Vi, do we have a link on our website to these? Okay, great. Just got the last form. Permission form to share. And Vi, thank you for your work on that. Really good work. All right, so let's move on to the consent agenda. Anyone have anything they would like to pull? Any comments from the public on the consent agenda? Good evening. Thank you. Becky Steinbruner, resident of Aptos. At your last meeting, because you had a closed session that began your meeting and you took oral comment on that closed session before that happened, that public comment was not recorded and is not on your video recording on your website. And I confirmed that that was going to happen at the time, last meeting. What I asked was that there be some detailed notes about what the public comment said. And I was disappointed to see that that didn't happen in your minutes. It just says there were two public comments. So I know you've just gotten a couple of really nice words in transparency. And I know that you really want to do a good job in forming the public. So again, I ask that, and I also know that you only have to take action minutes, but in that case in particular, especially since you had a request from the public to have more complete minutes for this section of the meeting that was not going to be video recorded, that those efforts increase in the future. That the meeting, that minutes include public comment regarding closed session items with more detail or any part of your public meetings that are not going to be video recorded. And to that end, I would like to ask that the board consider including video recording of your special board meetings. None of those have video recordings. I've recorded your budget meeting here tonight, and I've recorded some of your other special board meetings, but those special board meetings are just as important as your regular board meetings are. And in fact, it's more important for them to be available on video to the public because they are often at unorthodox times and unorthodox locations. So the public may not even know that they're going on. So please consider that. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. No other comments? I'll move approval of the consent agenda. All second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Great. All right. Now it would be time for oral communications on any items not on tonight's agenda. Thank you. Becky Steinbrenner, resident of ABTAS. Again at your last board meeting, I had submitted written communication and embedded in it was an attachment that I asked within my letter to you to be opened and included as part of the communication. It was not. So what it was, and I have a copy and would like to submit it for the minutes tonight is a copy of the Haley Aldrich hydrologist report that was commissioned by Carrillo Community College District and the report is dated June 9th, 2017. Your district has considered until very recently putting one possibly two injection wells associated with the Pure Water SoCal Project at Cabrio College campus. And in doing Public Records Act request work, the campus, the college tells me you are no longer discussing this option with them. And it appears that the injection well for that area is going to only be at Twin Lakes Baptist Church. I have a lot of issues with that. But what I want to talk with you about tonight is just reviewing for you and any of those in the public listening watching this live stream is this was an evaluation of proposed injection well on Cabrio College campus. One of the wells was scheduled to be directly across the street from the location where the Twin Lakes Church injection well is. It would not have required any tree removal. The Twin Lakes Church well as you know did. A lot of oak trees that were habitat for solitary roosting bats. They were destroyed in the winter when the bats were in torpor. And the water that is now promised to a private entity, Twin Lakes Church could have gone to Cabrio College to water their athletic fields. That's a public entity. I think it would have been a better deal for the people. So I'm almost out of time. What I want to read here for you is that it is unknown the effects of the injection well on Cabrio College's private wells. The location of the proposed injection well on the Cabrio College campus is a bit curious. Most other managers of coastal aquifers in California that have implemented seawater intrusion barriers using a raise of injection wells have installed the barriers as close as possible to the coast and they give the examples of Los Angeles. That way much where all of the injected water typically recycled water in the L.A. Basin in Orange County discharges to the ocean rather than being captured in water supply wells. In the Soquel app house, they're pointing out that it's going to go to your well. That's what they're saying and they're also worried that it's going to go to their well. I will submit this and please include it in the minutes. Thank you. Anyone else that wishes to address the board? Right. Seeing none. We'll move on to item 6.1. We have, I'm sorry, directors. I just wanted to share that this afternoon I was approached by a member of the public who unsolicited complimented the water board on the job they're doing. We hear a lot of the negatives and often we don't hear the positives. So I just wanted to share that with the staff and other board members. Thank you. Sorry about that. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Then we will move on to 6.1. Sorry about that. 5.1. 5.1 is management update. Sorry. So for conservation customer service field, I reported out on our AMI project upgrade. Stormwater recharge project and Tyler upgrade. Were there any questions on any of those items? Engineering. I had a couple bullets. We're moving forward as you saw in the agenda tonight, hopefully awarding the contract for the remaining improvements at the Granite Way well. Ramping up for the Soquel Drive cast iron main replacement. And then also making progress at the Twin Lakes church project. We're in our second phase of recharge testing as we speak. Great. Thank you. I forgot to say something. I forgot to say something. I got the outreach card and it was beautiful. I really liked it. And I was excited because I didn't know you guys were doing stuff out there. So thank you. Okay. The only thing I have to add is that today I was informed that PG and E is expanding their public safety power shut off program this for this next wildfire season to include tier two sites right now. Or last year it was tier three, which were extreme fire danger as determined by the CPUC. And so that included about 65% of our facilities. And with the addition of tier two, it's all but one. So we're going to have to evaluate how that's going to impact us probably with the need for yet even more generators and trying to figure out how to get that much fuel to our sites every day. Do they have a schedule? It's just based on weather conditions I think, right? Mostly yeah. Weather conditions and humidity and vegetation dryness. That's basically what it is. They have some sort of algorithm too. There's no real algorithm. It could be based on one of those factors like a red flag warning or multiple factors, but they're a gun shy now. So they're probably going to be calling them more often than not. And they say to expect it to last between two to five days.  And who's making that call? Is it California Public Utilities? PG&E makes that call. A number for how much water got transferred from the North Coast streams to us? Was that the production report? Yes. 43. Yeah, 43 for April. There's a total, isn't there? Yeah, there's a total in... 139? I know there's... Oh, plus the 74, right? Yeah, so... No, plus 26. So... It is in the production reports. 165 acre feet, I think. Thank you. Right. For my report, I just want to go over a couple of points that are in the report, and I also want to touch on the event that we had this last weekend. But district staff did participate up in Sacramento last week at an event called Point Positive, which really focused on one-water aspects and drought-proof resilience supplies. We even tabled at an outside event. It was pouring rain. But Rebecca and Vi, along with several environmental groups who were out there for the majority of the afternoon, tabled in sharing information, and we tabled her actually right next to Pure Water Monterey. Also wanted to just touch on... We've done a lot of outreach events in this last month since we reported and the dates and some of the events that were there. Vi did a lot of her end-of-the-year classroom events, spending multiple days in the middle schools. And then lastly, just in terms of some of the coordination with the Community Water Plan and the Pure Water Soquel Project, Vi did talk to the board about bringing the Community Water Plan progress update this month. We are going to be bringing it in June, so you will be seeing that. And then we are still continuing with district staff, city staff, on some of the preliminary design aspects. In fact, some of the drawings that we want to show, Taja's going to queue up. But in terms of the Pure Water Soquel Project, we did have an event this weekend that I just wanted to share. We had a lot of training at the live-out range from three to five, and we had about 30 to 35 people show up. Many people came with an open mind to understand what the project was, what the problem water challenges were. We had district staff there, our Pure Water Soquel team. We also had representatives there, Sierra, from the Mid County Groundwater Agency, and we had two representatives there. Those are just some pictures of the event. In terms of the information that we shared, we did have at the event a Spanish translator. She also was the one who translated all of our meeting material on the flyers. So she was ready and available if anybody needed it. What we are going to show right now are the information boards that were at each station. We had different information at their leisure go around. The first station really focused on seawater intrusion and the challenges that we're facing. That's just an illustration of what the seawater intrusion prevention well would do in front of an extraction or production well. And if we didn't have that, that's where seawater intrusion. This is one of our new graphics that illustrates how the Pure Water Soquel project was designed. It was designed to be a secondary recycled water. That's the purple that would go to the city of Santa Cruz for some of their uses. It would also be the source water for the purification facility and then the three injection wells or seawater intrusion prevention wells in the Capitola-Abtas area. We did have a station just to talk about a lot of the project and environmental benefits. Reducing water, using green power, creating that seawater intrusion barrier. Also focusing on the funding aspects of, you know, promoting economic vitality and then talking specifically about the project and that it could be scaled up, that it could be built in a somewhat timely manner, not contingent on water rights and there's regulatory issues that are in place and that of course it is a drought proof supply. This is one that you guys are probably familiar with. This is the same thing as the other schematic but really just overlaying on a map. And then we unveiled some architectural rendering. So we, as part of the basis of design reports that the board approved a couple months ago, we had these drawings available to attendees to see what the conceptual ideas could be for purification. There's two different types that we unveiled in terms of the look and feel. This is called integrating nature, showing more kind of an environmental aspects of the facility site. What's nice about these drawings and a little bit different from what we had in the environmental impact report is that we've been able to incorporate the bike pedestrian bridge. So that's a view on the bridge. And you can see what the architect did was obviously they have their renderings but what they also incorporated in some of those bottom squares of some of the illustrations are potential design features. And those are photographs of the actual conceptual ideas that are in place at other utilities. So kind of a nice art, wall art, demonstration gardens, learning center, living roof, some of the kind of ideas to kind of spur discussion at the event. So I think that's the end of the graphics we wanted to show just to kind of wrap up the next meeting that we'll be having is on Thursday, May 30th, 6.30 to 8.30 at the live vote range. Yeah, I'll just add that I think we had about 35 people attend and I think about 30 of those people came in and mine is curious and left I think feeling better with the information being provided and that sort of thing. I was at the Y booth as we call it the problem challenge statement and when we showed the map maybe go back to that one Tajiki could, that very first map that shows the problem. When we showed the outline of the MGA, the mid-county groundwater base and the yellow line there that surrounds it and then there's several wells in the live oak area basically showing that what's pumped out of those three wells equates to about a third of the problem, 1500 acre feet, so they pump about 500 acre feet a year. Their urban water management plan indicates they could actually be projected to be pumping three times that much so it's interesting but that as we've seen before they always ask, why are you considering putting this facility or putting this facility here in live oak and that's the starter and then we go oh we do have skin in the game and then the answer is yes it's zoned that facility and it goes on the other thing that people I think appreciated and they didn't know about even though the EAR has been completed and it's been in the works for a while it was the pedestrian overpass so seeing conceptual drawings of that definitely not everybody there were a few people that were not jazzed about that I have to say but for the most part the vast majority were glad to see us working with that and willing to accommodate it and you know there were lots of good ideas one idea I remember when I was looking at the conceptual renderings with a member of the public they said well when you come down the bike ramp maybe in the living room for whatever you have there you should do the letters LO because you know that's all live oak that's all we really have is a symbol we don't have much else so there was input like that provided along the way and we took notes so it was a good event and the next one is what time on the 30th 8.30 6.30 to 8.30 okay thank you there's flyers in the back Melanie and I were fortunate enough to do a radio show the morning of and to publicize the event everything yeah ksco I believe great nice work yeah very nice work don't take this comment the wrong way especially but I do think we should also include the negatives and I don't know if it was going to be the two big negatives or the cost and the energy use right so of the of going with the project in general okay with advanced water purification and I nothing's per you know nothing we don't have a better alternative so that's there is no perfect solution no perfect you know we we certainly there was the worst solution is seawater intrusion we all I think all agree on that and so um to let that happen would be the travesty okay finance I think and then we already kind of handled finance right yeah handled okay yes ma'am I don't have anything to add but I just wanted to hopefully you had an opportunity to see some of the feedback that we shared with the board from our staff survey we were excited that we had really good participation with that and we look forward to working with that and those results as we move forward so we wanted to share that with the board kind of preliminary and any other questions it sounded really upbeat yeah we had really great comments do you do that every year this was the first time yeah it's great yeah we hope to kind of make this as a baseline and continue on with that it's important to know what our staff are feeling and be responsive to that well yeah I mean somebody left and then came back again I mean we're not we've got a couple of those alright thank you Tracy Ron so yeah I have a couple items here the first I want to start with I think it was one of the board members just mentioned public Dr. Jaffe we a lot of times hear the negative but we got an email and this is kudos to Shelly and I guess all of us from the board from a local landscaper Golden Love and he does a lot of gray water and that sort of thing in town and I asked him if it was okay if we shared his email I didn't print it out but he basically said in one line you guys have the best rebates I think he said state conservation rebates and so that's coming from a person who's out there day in day out and that means a lot from somebody who's doing that and I think it was heartfelt and so I actually said hey do you mind if I mention that at a board meeting he said absolutely take it please use it to see what he feels so along with that there was an editorial guest editorial in the paper that I think had a lot of misinformation in it and so soon after it came out the water director for the city of Santa Cruz sent that person along with some others this email and I'll just read a little bit of it because I think it is important it said good morning all imagine my surprise in reading the guest commentary in today's sentinel to find myself being referred to and quoted supporting your continuing claim that Santa Cruz has the water to supply the Soquel Creek water district to address seawater intrusion issue in their basin when I'm on record and that's in red in several forms including April 1st water commission meeting as saying just the opposite I don't need to go on and read it I don't think but this is part of our challenges people get positioned and I think as data comes along such as that was in the April 1st which I think the chart that's up here now demonstrating the claims made in the editorial are not correct and continue to do that it's one of the challenges we face as a district to do what we feel is best for our customers and the community to try to dispel some of that and we appreciate Miss Menard actually taking the lead on that as she has done in previous times too so we do appreciate that and I think her response is actually attached as a correspondence and I just wanted to add that there are some people that are just going to keep putting this forward in spite of the facts I mean we have lots of examples that have people saying things just despite look and just they don't want to see the facts and I mean I think when she says that there isn't enough surface water to reliably solve both the city's need for a drought supply background water resources in our part of the basin from seawater intrusion and to reliably meet so-called need for water to create and maintain a seawater intrusion barrier there isn't enough I would doubt something like your water so I think it's really clear but we're going to keep hearing people saying something else but I do think it's our duty to the customers in the public to take at least some steps sometime to dispel it and the irony is we continue to work with the city on many facets including taking river water when and where appropriate so anyway putting that out there and then the next one is Senate Bill 332 just a question on that so here this editorial gets out in the Sentinel somebody reads it this is a very clear response from Rosario Menard but it didn't go out to the general public what are your thoughts on well that's a good question getting information out you know I'm reminded of the story my dad told me once about Mark Twain way back when there was this argument and some lady I forget the author's name but in the New York Times did this big editorial against Mark Twain he just came back on a full page and wrote the word tat and what it was meant to say is tit for tat and we don't want to get into that I mean I think it doesn't you know we can find maybe it's appropriate to come back with an editorial at another time and we'll consider that we have other avenues plus that at our disposal and I see Melanie may want to chime in on this we tend to take a more generative approach versus the negativity that's out there I think people respond better to that but if the board has direction of us we're certainly open and Melanie we did ask Rosemary if it was okay for us to put it as a resource on our website so if people come to you and ask this question you can point to them with her email so we redacted personal information it was sent to and Rosemary's like phone number at the bottom but that is accessible and we worked with her to make sure she was fine with putting it up there I can just comment that I was approached about that column by several different people and there were people who made no harm to the district or any other thing I mean they were just neutral but they said this sounds like a really important point of view and I had to point out to them you know I had to go through and explain that explain what the issues were in the errors in that editorial so I just feel better there had been a response in the paper okay but it was her decision too I completely agree with the two previous speakers I think the thing that did in the DSAL project was people would say things like that things in the paper and the director at that time was the city's water didn't do anything he just sat there said well we know we're right and that's what did it in because then everyone believed those false things you don't respond to them then people think well it must be true so I think we need to respond okay I agree would you guys like us to coordinate with the Sentinel to do a commentary response I think coordinating with Rosemary because she's been very clear and they keep quoting her and I think that if she's willing to have that go out she said it like in bright red I don't even know if we can do that in the paper but you know she's tried to make it really clear it ticks her off when people get misrepresenting let us take that feedback back and another piece of information that was in the same presentation was and it was also presented to the ground sustainability plan advisory committee was the effect of climate change on the river flow and so you know even in present conditions there's not enough but certainly if in the future be even less it was pretty remarkable how the projections for river flow were lower maybe it's in this I'm sorry and maybe in a simple way to present the ideas that were shown by the model that really the only way for this all to work is to have their project doesn't work without it right and that is what the modeling shown I mean here's the table that they presented April 1st and if you the two first of all none of the scenarios produce this is excess water, climate change scenarios on the left and if they update Graham Hill to improve the water quality which they'll need to do in the future and this is assuming that they get the water rights to send us the water so a lot of assumptions built into this even with all those assumptions scenarios show the 1,500 acre feet available the good news is sometimes there's 300 feet acre feet of water available and 1,500 feet is our defined problem the interesting thing to me in this chart is if you look at historical that it's available depending on which demand projection their short term and their long term but we'll just take the top line based on just the climate change the climate that we've had is available 0% of the time is there 1,500 acre feet available the other part of that is if you go to the bottom yeah the catalog yeah the catalog model Bruce Daniels correct me if I'm wrong that's the is that the wetter model or is it the GFDL um catalog is drier okay catalog is drier so it's the GFDL that is the wetter one where they get we actually get more water than we're getting now and there's still not there's still very little 0 to 10 in those before they upgrade the plant and then 15 to 55 when they do upgrade it even when it's wetter and that's because climate change is predicting those storms closer together so and then of course if it's drier there's even less so it's really a no when situation in any of the scenarios historical uh future wetter future drier so under any condition um that's what they presented the city of Santa Cruz water department their modeling team presented April 1st to their joint committee um so again we'll need to somehow find a way to convey this data out to the public um and I appreciate the feedback it's good to hear that you're somebody's commenting to you about the misinformation out there so it's an opportunity but I agree with Tom to not make it too complicated yeah that's the challenge right this is complicated I think the other thing is that in those years when they can give us some percentage of the years they can give us the full 1500 there's a huge percentage when they can't and those years they're taking water back and the modeling does show that there at least in the model runs they have done and of course we'll try to continue to refine it because it hasn't worked yet that uh pure water sokels needed because when they go to draw a large quantities out the water it was profitable they protected it yeah and seawater intrusion uh will come in so continue yeah when it's so complicated and so much is said people can glom on to one little part that supports their position and take it out of context yeah I mean I hear about how if both the aquifer storage and recovery and the advanced water purification and recharging into the basin happen that the water levels would be above above the surface and you wouldn't operate it that way yeah well that's it's only the case because they stuck some of their injection wells right next to one of our injection wells so yeah sure yeah so again if you have a certain bias and it's complicated you can you can pick and choose what you like and try to instill fear into the public or that sort of thing so whatever goes out and we've got a we've got a good team we can we can and if you if you want to point a director to to work with us that's fine too there is an outreach committee okay okay we'll invoke the outreach committee thank you boil it down like three simple points yeah bullet points one of the appeal one of the appeal of the part of the appeal for people that came up to me was oh this will be a cost this will be a lot cheaper than having to build this big plant because you can actually use this water and so walking that back was very so it's necessarily going to be a little complicated I believe because it is a complicated concept but it's worth working to simplify it and Miss Menard has come out and said that even whatever water is available be it at least as costly if not more than pure water so Cal and certainly with grants it will be much more so that's on record too some of those so we need to get some some of the really clear statements that are in bold and then some of the really good conclusions that it just doesn't work without it okay I've got an action item yeah we'll work on it together thank you okay so yeah this is just continuing on on that her response you can see it's quite lengthy she actually put a fair amount of effort and time into it so that's again very much appreciated to our partners over there Santa Cruz the next item is Senate Bill 332 the ocean bay water wastewater discharges this is a bill by Senator Hertzberg and Wiener it's a two year bill we were encouraged by these environmental groups if you can go down to Ann Hertzberg's office to attend this event Point Positive which I love the name of because there's so much negative out there in the world Point Positive is when you're going down a stream you try to point to the way to go not point to the way not to go so Point Positive can save your life and you can see we were right there the product and this their bill was all about really what pure water soquel embodies it's about trying to minimize discharge of treated affluent to a bay or estuary by 50 percent in 2030 and 95 percent by 2040 it's a it's quite an aspirational bill but it has gained some momentum you can see by the NRDC quite the outfit there the Sierra Club endorses it Coast Keepers you know the list is kind of the who's who of environmental Save Our Shores Surfrider so that you know kind of putting on our environmental side of us that makes us feel good about the project that we're doing it's in line with the bill they're supporting and we're discussions with these groups there are discussions with us because I think we got a good project so that was that just wanted to show that and we were up there and it was a really good event again had hats off to Vi and Becca for going up there and I'll just shout out that Vi actually wanted to drive the mobile learning unit up there but we didn't let her it was raining and I just you know safety is paramount but she set up a booth and a lot of attention there so next one is just a shout out to two of our staff members special districts movers and shakers for them I think we recognize these two people again this is for some of the outreach that was done and this was featured in their magazine so I thought and she's wearing the same out yeah I had the same jet I had the same suit on as in another picture in there so you know when you got three of them you rotate them so what's Taj wear I think Taj is too so just proud of our team and I think it gets recognized by third party so just really thank you all for that that concludes my portion okay that is it for the management I just want to thank I want to thank Melanie and Taj for all you did on that that was a fantastic outreach effort very grassroots too so that was so that was the management update any public comment on the management update thank you Becky Steinbruner I want to submit since you've spent a good amount of time discussing it I'd like to submit it for your minutes record a copy of Mr. Scott McGilvery's I think excellent article in Santa Cruz Sentinel he took his information from fax on Santa Cruz city's website and I'm also going to pass around to you and there's a copy for the minutes a copy of a slide that Santa Cruz City water staff person Toby Goddard presented projected reservoir drawdown showing as of October of last year the reservoir was 90% full Mr. McGilvery wrote in a note to me he couldn't be here tonight he's on the radio that the city and this was said you were you were there you heard it the city's demand has been reduced from 3.2 billion gallons which is in the slide you have here that's not the demand anymore it's 2.7 billion gallons a year and although even if the reservoir were 75% full the city could still send Soquel Creek water district 450 million gallons that's a lot of water I want to send this to you there's one for each of you and one for the minutes and I want to say that the city under prop 218 cannot charge you more than what it cost them to produce the water and I want to say that you could be cooperating with them to help them with their infrastructure capital improvements at the Graham Hill and the intertie enlargement so that you could get more water and you could probably get a grant for that too now they're getting grants I want to read to you from the response to comments this is the very large document that some of you didn't even know existed and you gave the public 10 days to read before you certified your EIR here's what Rosemary Minnar said and I'm going to quote her because this is a public document an analysis should be completed that confirms the need to receive 300 acre feet each year as opposed to a potentially varied regime of water transfers that achieve the same supply reliability objectives the city is strongly committed to the success of a project that improves water reliability for the city other agencies and has beneficial impacts to the basin and without evidence to the contrary believes a modified operational approach may be equally successful this is her comment to your draft EIR for pure water so cal and there's more but I'm almost out of time I want to say that I really am quite offended that you laugh at people when they have an opinion different than your own thank you thank you for your respect anyone else I'd like to respond I think that's a perfect example of how you reading something and seeing something and me hearing it and I actually did read that have a totally different interpretation please sit down so that's it's just amazing to me it's going to keep happening okay please sit down your time is up please sit down please respond to everybody representation is going to continue so your time is up thank you for your transparency thank you okay so let us move on to item 6.1 or no wait sorry district council to go to aqua to attend a couple of things one of the legal affairs committee they bring up the fact that there's a push now to hold public agencies libel under an inverse combination which is strict liability there was a trial court decision down in southern california involving a fire the car rolled over caused a fire to start fire hit the pump station because one of the wires in the pump station wasn't done correctly it's shorted and they actually held the water district libel for 72 million dollars inverse condemnation damages JPIA actually settled that case of the trial level so there's no appellate decision yet but it looks like there might be a focus in that direction and right now there's a big effort by PG and other utilities to get themselves exempted but there's some concern that it might still be out there for other agencies so it's something to be concerned about also the wazowski-wikowski bill is moving forward again on ADUs with a broader interpretation which basically would I think eliminate our ability to impose water demand offset fees in addition to meter requirements so that's a that's of some concern too and there are at least two water tax bills floating through the assembly again one of which was reported out earlier this year another one by she an assemblyman now which is not a tax but rather established as a fund but it looks like all of that's going to be coming down the line thank you any questions on that already then item 6.1 conditional and unconditional wills serves right there are four for your consideration tonight three single-family homes and an ADU questions public comment seeing none I'll move approval of those four a second all in favor aye that motion carries we'll go on to 6.2 we did that already with 6.3 so you've seen this project come before the board last year we bid it out and I believe it was over 900 some odd thousand dollars for the full project and that was well over our budget so we did split it up the board staff has acquired the electrical equipment and then the pumping equipment and this bid before you is what's remaining is the site fencing the paving installation of the electrical equipment electrical transformer storm drain piping that's about it we only got two bids and they were very different separated by 280,000 some odd dollars there was a minor variance in the low bid where the bidder would submit a bid bond but we contacted the bidder and he said he would be willing to still perform the work if we would accept a bid bond he said he had put one in but it didn't get processed by his bonding company in time and it did show up two days later so we do have a bid bond to guarantee the bid it's my recommendation that we award this bid to INS trucking $19,505 and move forward with building this project I noticed that there may be a discrepancy or maybe just my confusion but on the motions motion number five there is to authorize the general manager to sign the purchase order and the very next page it talks about the president and the clerk of the board we have a contract we have a contract and then we have a purchase order they are different and usually do your homework before you make a recommendation what can you tell us about the low bidder INS trucking has been around for decades they do a lot of work for private entities but they do install several water services those willserves that you just saw they did put in a water main extension for pot belly beach phase two they were the subcontractor for Majora brothers at the twin lakes church site they did all the grading and access and site prep and they have also done some pump station work for the district at the vista del mar tank this is they are more than qualified to perform this work they have subcontractors to perform the electrical work and fencing work so what remains is in their wheelhouse very easily I am confident they can do this work any public comment on this item thank you resident of rural Aptos and I go by this site every day back in 2015 when I appealed the Aptos Village project changes to their big plan moving the well site to this location was one of the changes on the project at the time I asked for renderings of what it was going to look like and what you sent me was a small house sort of a housed well site and now I am not seeing any of that I am seeing a discussion about fencing so what I would like is a description of what it is going to look like for those who pass by every day thank you I would make the motions I will second then moved and seconded on favor I motion carries thank you what have we got next do we need a roll call one of those a resolution sorry you are right shelly is right we will try it again we can still roll call director laither vice president daniels director jaffee director christensen and president lehu still passes so back to the lafko at may 7th meeting director christensen expressed some interest and some hesitation about her name being thrown in the mix for alternate on the lafko board I know director laither did that last time and now she is an actual director on the board if you want to nominate a district board member or anybody else as an alternate as a special district member on the lafko board and if you do then give the board president direction regarding your preference and us to submit the form okay I will do that just one of my concerns was I am currently on the storm water committee meeting and it ended up taking a lot of time just waiting around for a 10 minute meeting and I was just concerned about what was I have been interested in the whole issue that lafko is supposed to address the meetings are one hour usually sometimes more once a month once a month plus maybe 10 a year probably a lot more important than zone 5 and it governs all the prevention of urban sprawl and preservation of ag and open space it is an important commission they are very efficient meetings it is a well run but small organization you do have to fill out the application I haven't done it yet well you have some time I will make the 3 I will make the 3 motions where you have to nominate you okay I will second that okay all in favor I am wondering if I should say no quick let's pass it I don't watch you with me it is an honor actually it is I would be willing to attend you know my usual capacity and the alternate usually goes to most of the meetings so they are kind of up on things not just when the other one doesn't show up you know where the meetings are held schedule at a regular time unlike the storm water meetings first Wednesday of the month 10 a.m that's right before you vote we had a motion I motioned it one motion okay well any public comment on this item all right seeing none all in favor okay good thank you Carla there may be someone else running for that position so you never know no it is not a it is not a given okay and then the next item is one that was presented at the MGA meeting which is this in my annual groundwater report yeah so I'll just make a couple comments if you don't mind first of all I hear since the drought occurred a lot of agencies were able to scale back on their water production customers scale back on their uses so we could all produce less it was a statewide phenomenon and recently you've seen a lot of agencies bounce back to where they were in 2013 fortunately in Santa Cruz County we've been slower to rebound but we have started over the last two years consumption has gone up and therefore water levels have gone down and dropped and that's a very important point to make because I hear talk of Santa Cruz is lowered their consumption we should be clear that's a near term short term consumption that they're doing but even with that because it's stable where they're at now we see water levels dropping and not only on top of that why we don't see we have not monitored seawater intrusion advancing in most wells we did see the water level in SCA2B which is a very important well and let's see we did see an increase in that well along with a decline in water level at SC9C below it's protective elevation which means seawater to protect against seawater intrusion so you know what that translates to is even in under the best of conditions where we've used the least amount of water we've used in a long time in this area we see that rebounding the usage rebounding and we know there's pent up housing there's other things going on that we can anticipate this continuing five of the 13 monitoring wells are still below protective water levels and that's ticking probably will increase if this trend increases so as a hydrologist Montgomery and Associates concluded in their report the basin continues to be in critically overdrafted condition which coincides with the state's determination also so there's a lot of graphs in here that they've done they're scientists to the T but bottom line is the curve has changed over the last two years consumption has increased and water levels are dropping so and we know that seawater intrusion through the Denmark study is right at the coast where it's not already unsure even with those best conditions that we had two years ago the hydrologist produced the map which we've shown here which could be 70 80 90 opportunity for seawater intrusion or chance of seawater intrusion to impact our wells and now that situation has gotten worse of that estimate that would increase so it's it's not good news but it's our reality and what we have to live with so I think it reinforces the work that we're doing with the community water plan water transfers pure water soquel even storm water recharge which we had out today and we talked about that so that's on the news tomorrow I believe so it just reinforces our actions any questions when you're talking about the increase at SCA2B you're talking about increase in salinity not in water levels well no, not in water levels let me get back to my, I'll read it there's still five below protective levels or maybe we added a sixth it may have climbed a sixth it may have gone a sixth now I think that is correct like it's nine that's dropped out it's worse than I had mentioned but the groundwater levels drop below protective elevations at SC9C in 2018 and then let me get up to my report here my cover I tried to put it in a very concise format because I know this is a lot of information and the also seawater intrusion has increased in monitoring well SCA2B so not good news but again our reality and at least we have a lot of data which to help drive our decisions in just in case anyone thought that the three seasons of normal rainfall or heavy rainfall would solve this problem it's not going to well definitely not this year we've had pretty much a normal year amazing how many people think gosh we've had such a huge amount of water this year after years of drought they think this is a flood I personally lost my perspective myself I think it did come frequently and people think about the last week it's unusual I've had people come out to mean it's good now right yeah but that's the perception any public comment on this thank you Becky Steinbrenner I just want to reiterate what Rosemary Menard and information from Santa Cruz City put out in their annual water reports that their demand is flat for the next 20 or 30 years and their usage is not rebounding their customers are staying low in their use I looked at these graphs and I looked at the graph for SCA2B and saw that the chloride was going up but I also saw that the groundwater elevation was stable if not improving I looked at the map to see where that monitoring well is and it's right next to SCA3B SCA3B also was not looking so good until new sampling equipment was installed in March of 2012 and now it looks good so what I want to find out is how do we evaluate the effectiveness and accuracy of the sampling equipment that's in SCA2B has that been looked at I also want to point out to you that perhaps any water injection should be considered in the area closer to SCA2B rather than Twin Lakes where in a technical memorandum and also in your draft EIR and finally EIR it says that water levels have recovered and are fine so I've looked through here and what I keep seeing other than the five now you say six monitoring wells that are not looking so good there are 13 that look really good and have recovered Moran Lake has looking much much better so are you going to look at the glass that's empty or glass that's half full and I just want to point out to you that in fact here on page 178 of your packet concentrations in the Moran Lake monitoring well indicate sea water intrusion in the past but now has a decreasing trend which suggests sea water intrusion is no longer occurring in the area unit in the summary ground water levels are at a protective elevation established by Silkhawk Creek Water District and the city at a majority of the coastal monitoring wells there are those five wells that are not as good but even those wells stay, concentration at these wells are stable or decreasing concentrations are stable and decreasing show an increasing trend over the last two years despite ground water levels being above protective levels thank you it depends on your point of view doesn't it and what you want to accomplish thank you I'll just take a statement from the summary statement from the report that says full ground water level recovery will not be achieved until ground water levels are at a majority of the coastal monitoring wells period I just wanted to point out something if you look on page 182 at the graphs there shows up best on the bottom one the third one the blue bar is our bar and indeed for the last two bars the blue has gone up so our pumping is larger last year than it was the year before but if you also look at the top bar the purple one that's the city's pumping last year was more than the year before so it's not just us that's pumping heavier it's the city too I'll just make note that the Orange Central Water District is not included on that graph just because it could skew things there's definitely a rebound so as good as it we've kind of passed that best peak orange is the private and small water systems and those aren't on there green is the central green is central and that's pretty much the same the orange I meant private pumpers aren't thank you for that correction good thank you item 6.6 this is an RFQ for a progressive design build I'm going to present this item tonight thank you I do have a couple slides but basically the purpose of this agenda item is to ask the board for authorization and some requests for qualifications for design build services for the conveyance project of the Pure Water Soquel Project as you know this is one of our main schematics of what the Pure Water Soquel project is I just want to highlight it again what it does include are three primary components the treatment facilities that would be split with the tertiary treatment at the Santa Cruz wastewater treatment facility the purification treatment at the Chanticleer site and then in the seawater intrusion prevention injection wells in Aptos specifically what we're looking at right now based upon our narrowing analysis is at Monterey Avenue Twin Lakes Church and Willow Brook Lane in addition to these stationary locations we also need the pipeline and the conveyance system to convey the water and so the conveyance structure of the Pure Water Soquel project includes a pipeline RO or reverse osmosis concentrate and purified pipelines and the purple line illustrates the alignment where the tertiary and the RO concentrate would go that is approximately about 4.5 miles and then the blue pipeline is the purified pipeline and that is also about four and a half miles so in total the conveyance piece of the Pure Water Soquel project is about nine miles of pipeline now typically when we go out for procurement of services for construction or design we do the traditional design bid build and in that step when we're looking for qualified consultants or contractors we do a single step what we're foreseeing with this procurement design build is a two-step process and this is just an illustration where first we would issue out a request for qualifications and through that process we would then receive statements of qualifications we'd review those statement of qualifications we'd shortlist a few of the qualified teams and then from that shortlisted group of teams we would then issue out a request for proposals at that first step then we would receive those proposals those proposals would include a detailed approach their scope and some cost related criteria and through that process we would then select an interview firms to ultimately select the team that would design and build the conveyance project the first step as I mentioned is this request for qualifications what we're requesting teams to provide in their statement is primarily would go into these eight categories first we would like them to describe what their team structure is like we really want them to go into detail on what their organization how it's built and the personnel both in terms of what their experiences as a whole team the individual teams that they have teams coming together one from design and one from the construction and specifically what's the experience of key personnel we also want them to fill out a chart and explain and describe similar projects that they've done either together or individually we'd also like them to discuss their capacity are they able to to take on a project of this size and magnitude we obviously want to hire somebody that can carry us through from start to finish permitting is an important component so we would like them to describe the experience they have with permitting we also want them to talk about their experience or ways that they could avoid or minimize community impact with this this style of procurement it really does create and lend itself to some innovation and allows the team to kind of describe maybe some measures that they would want to implement a lot of the pipeline configurations are in the street right of way so if there are ways that they have done and want to explain to us how they can reduce those impacts we want them to share that in their statement safety is also very important so we do have a section related to their track record and we really want to also have them kind of explain the depth of their financial capability the insurance and any kind of legal qualifying experience that they have that's a good question about that just do we ever ask like if they have any particular ways to minimize environmental impact like as far as like ways of drilling so that they avoid yes yes and so and in the environmental impact report we've identified certain areas that they could do different types of they would address that their ability to do that I think correct me if I'm wrong you've asked them to bring any innovation or ingenuity they have so that that's you know and we've already heard some ideas that are interesting but it'd be nice to have that in there too just specifically so is it more at the proposal stage that you evaluate what the exact team is going to be there could be really qualified people at a firm or in a project group but they might not be the ones actually working on it we definitely want them when they submit a statement of qualification it's this is who we are and this is what we bring to the project and so from that we really prefer that they don't change out who they submit within their team as they as though they describe so they can go and go through a full proposal process and change that up the key personnel part is very important after the design builder is selected there's primarily the way that the project would be rolled out is three phases the first phase is the design and pre-construction services so this is where as we've heard before from our Brown and Caldwell project team this is a very collaborative effort working with the district with regulators with the design build team we would go back and forth on designing the project getting interim cost estimates and refining the project as defined and what the associated costs are through that process it is somewhat of an open book process to work with them on ways to stay within budget and also ways that we can be creative and what that would be as we kind of if you guys remember that illustration it kind of goes like that until we narrow down it's not until the point where we get to some key milestones or what our project team likes to call these guaranteed prices is when we can decide whether or not we are comfortable with the design and that cost and then it no longer is supportive or if we want to continue to a guaranteed price what's nice about that for the district is that I know the board has always inquired about potential off ramps if there is some place where we're not comfortable there are some steps where we could off ramp and either go back through the process again or we could obviously try to see before we take that ramp what can we do to fix that once we do get to a guaranteed max price and then it would go into the phase two where then the design build team would build the project complete the design and we would get the project built and ready to plug into the treatment facilities. There is a third phase that would be as needed once the once the systems are all connected together if we do feel we want to have the team still on board while we do start up and commissioning we may want to keep on an as needed or I guess this would be to be determined what that phase three amount would be. I just walked through that good thing I read it this is the schedule of how we're proposing to issue the request for qualifications we would like to put the RFQ on the website May 22nd and that would be available for about a month where then we would ask proposers to submit a statement of qualifications on June 19th then through our review process the selection team would review those SOQ's short list and we would then release the RFP on July 10th giving about a couple months for the proposals to be prepared and submitted back to us reviewed by again our selection team and then having interviews in mid-October so that we can look to issuing a notice of award in the end of the year around November this schedule really was kind of predicated upon making sure that we give the contractor and the design team enough time to design it and build it and still be online by the board's goal of the end of 2022 this is just a screenshot of our website I don't know if anybody's ever been on our websites page specifically for RFPs and RFQ's but this is our RFP and RFQ page and right here we have this listed where the RFQ would be available and anybody who was interested could then click on that and download the documents we are encouraging people to check back if they are interested in proposing in case we issue follow up documents and then I'll just conclude with at this point the possible board actions that we're asking for the board tonight is to authorize district staff to release RFQ designate up to two directors to be on a review and selection committee if that's desired and authorize that team to review the RFQ's to be then moved on to shortlist and then issue out the RFP and then the fourth one would be to take no action thank you question who determines the qualifications that you want for this are you writing that up? yeah within the RFQ there is a section that talks about those eight criteria of things that we'd like them to provide and we also have a percentage scoring so it would go through that kind of an evaluation period and who would do that would be the selection team we have a team that's experienced with us and knows what's important and so that's embedded yeah so we there's a lot going on those simple adult design bills yeah as outlined in the staff memo the selection and review committee would be comprised of a couple of the management team at the district as well as Brown and Caldwell they are our owner's agent and program management team and then if the board would also like to be on that we'd like to up to two any public comment on this item? thank you Becky Steinbruner I predict that Mr. Steven Waite and IDE will be back he's been at your meetings before at these critical times and I've looked up the company and I'll bet they'll be here again I want to again point out to you that that it appears to me and members of the public that you're just going down the road as if there is no legal action against you and at the last meeting Mr. Basso said that's not how it works you don't expect people to stop what they're doing let me read to you what I am reading from the CEQA handbook under preliminary relief chapter 23.86 when a CEQA action challenges a development or construction project it is often unnecessary for the petitioner to seek preliminary relief project applicants are usually reluctant to proceed until the case is decided because an adverse decision may result in an order vacating the project approvals and enjoining further work furthermore lenders may be unwilling to provide construction funding or other project related loans while an action is pending and other cases however preliminary relief may be necessary to preserve the environmental status quo because proceeding with the project would cause irreparable environmental damage you have a statement of overwriting considerations here that you've approved if preliminary relief is necessary to preserve the status quo pending a decision on the merits which is what you have before you with the case 19CV00181 the petitioner may apply for an order staying operation of the agency's decision pending the trial court's decision on the merits and that's what's scheduled for June 20th with a preliminary injunctive hearing in addition or in the alternative the petitioner may apply for a temporary restraining order which I've done three times and have felt compelled that I must because you're just not stopping and preliminary injunction enjoining further action on the project until the court renders its decision I want to say that again until the court renders its decision so here you are going down the road and it's costing your ratepayers a lot of money and yet without any regard to the what I and many many others consider serious allegations of multiple violations of sequel law yes you can look away Director Daniels it's very very polite I'm asking you to just respect this process thank you very much you're very welcome I would be willing to be part of the selection committee if anyone else wants to I'd like to see Rochelle in particular because she has done this before yeah I agree I would love to I'm sending my kids away to college so she needs something to keep her busy I'll need something to keep me busy so the first selection portion would be like within the next month right no that's just the soliciting that's just the request in the summer end of June and couple weeks in July yeah okay would anybody else around that no I think I agree with Rochelle being on it and if you're willing to be on it I think you do a great job okay do we need a motion on any of these three motions okay so I'll make those three motions for Rochelle and Tom okay I'll second alrighty all in favor aye opposed right thank you and there was one email correspondence which I think has been read and yes it's from the email rebuttal from Rosemary Menard regarding the editor okay so I think we are adjourned we'll see you June 4th next meeting yes goodness yep


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This is 18% gray, 18% gray. And this is about the way that your camera averages out all the light that it sees to make an image.  So instead of these colors, you would see just tones of gray. If you take them all and throw them into a sort of a washing machine or into a blender or something like that and let them all mix together, they would kind of wash out to about an 18% gray on a sunny day. So that's an important thing. If you're kind of outside and it's a sunny average, well-lit day, or you're maybe inside on a well-lit day, it's going to average out to about 18% gray for most scenes. Now, not everywhere and not all over the place. You'll see why that isn't true in a second. But that's just an important thing to know. That's why what your camera is trying to accomplish. And it's the reason that a lot of your images might come out wrong or come out underexposed or overexposed when you're doing photography. How about we then talk a little bit about how this all happens and how the camera evaluates this 18% gray? We're going to make a couple little metering systems here. So imagine we're looking through some cameras. So we've got one camera here. We're going to make four cameras. One camera here, and they're getting progressively bigger. They're also getting progressively more complicated as we go to the right here in a second. You'll see what I mean by that. All right. So here we've got our four frames. And we're going to start out with our average. This is kind of not one that you see very often. But your average meter is just going to take everything that it sees in the entire frame. So you're looking through and you're seeing maybe a mountain or something like that with a little creek or something. And it's going to just take all the light that it sees and look at it just the way that we did in that first slide, where it's going to try to make everything even all of the colors out to gray. And that's called an average meter. Now that's one way to do it. Another way to do it is to have a spot meter. So spot meter is just a little tiny spot, often in the center. And a spot meter is going to just measure the light falling on that little point in the image. So you have to know where your spot is. Often it's going to be marked on your camera. Modern cameras, you can move the spot all over the place. Older cameras, it's usually just right in the middle. And that spot meter is going to try to find 18% gray in that little point in the camera. And then what you'll do is you'll point that spot in your viewfinder towards something that is about 18% gray. So if you're somewhere where you have maybe a sidewalk, that's about the perfect gray. You can point it towards the sidewalk. Check your readings. Check what your shutter speed and your ISO and how everything is working out. Set your shutter speed, and then turn back to your scene and take your photograph. So that's how spot meters sort of traditionally work. These days you can use them a lot more accurately and specifically. Your next kind of metering system is called center weighted. And so you'll have sort of like a big spot here. And then sometimes it'll even have like a slightly bigger one around the outside of that. And this is called, like I said, center weighted. There's a little dash in between there. And center weighted basically means that there's going to be kind of a spot in the middle. So it's going to be a little bit bigger often. But you'll have sort of a spot in the middle. And then a bigger spot that's also pretty light sensitive around the outside. And then maybe a tiny bit out here. So it might take like 50% of its information from here. It might take maybe 40% from here. And it might take 10% of its information from here, for example. So things like that will happen. But center weighted work differently for different cameras, different models. Every center weighted meter works a little differently. I have to say center weighted is my favorite way to meter things because I just kind of feel like I understand that waiting, that metering system a little better is also the one I've always used since I was first doing photography. But the other ones are great too. I also use a lot of spot photography. And I never use my averaging meter. So just even though it can be really great, I've never really used it. Now the last one is sort of, well, there's lots of different names for it out there. I'm just going to call it the multi-zone. Because that's the non-corporate way of saying it. The thing is that every company has its own way of creating multiple metering systems that these sort of advanced metering systems that are coming out today that are something, they're often a combination of a center weighted and an average. So you'll have a center in the middle that's maybe accounts for 60%. And then you'll have these different zones. Over here, you'll have a zone. And over here, you'll have a zone. And you'll have another one here. And you'll have another one here. And I would recommend for beginners, this is also a really great metering system. Most of the new ones are really good. They do a great job. A lot of them are even comparing your image, the one that you're looking through the viewfinder at, thousands of images that are on a little computer chip on the camera. So you'll actually get often a very good metering from a multi-zone. And sometimes you'll cure it called an evaluative or a segment, maybe a honeycomb or a matrix meter. So you'll hear lots of different names for this. And just remember that they're all just multi-zone, sort of fancy, modern age light meters. They're the kind that have really come out in the last 10 to 20 years. All of these other ones are older and sort of more tried and true. In my opinion, I like them. But I also use my multi-zone meter for complicated metering all the time. Now, how do you actually read this? This is actually probably the more complicated part of it or the more practical part of it. It's really important to understand how your light meter is reading the scene. And you want to know what your light meter is seeing. But you also want to know how to read it. Now, on the sides of older cameras, a lot of times you'd have just a little plus and a minus.  Or maybe you'd have like a little LED or something like that. And in the middle, there was a spot where it was perfect. And then when it went too far towards the plus side, you were overexposing. And too far down towards the negative side, it was underexposing. You also had the phenomenon for a very long time of numbers just being written on the side. So you'd have like 500, 250, 125. And then you'd have another, again, same thing, needle coming in saying, oh, 250 is your right shutter speed for this f-stop. And you would set your f-stop manually, and then it would tell you what shutter speed was correct. This was really common with aperture and shutter priority cameras for a long time. The modern version of this is actually a lot nicer to use. I have to say I have a couple cameras that have this. And you'll have one that has kind of a zero in the middle, kind of a line. And then there will be kind of a line like this. And it looks different on every camera that's out there. But then you also are going to have a 1, a 2, and maybe even a third hash here. So 1, 2, and maybe 3. And then 1, 2, and maybe 3. Sorry, my graph looks a little bit inaccurate here. Between each of those steps, you're probably going to have two steps in between each one as well. And those are what are called third steps. Now if you guys remember how we were talking about shutter speeds and f-stops and ISO speeds, this is one stop. So that's one stop. This is also one stop going this way. And the same going here, and the same going here. So you could just call it one stop, 1, 2, and 3. Stop, 1, 2, and 3. And maybe this is going in the underexposed direction. And this is going in the over-exposed direction. So the plus will be overexposed. The minus will be underexposed, just like in these old cameras back in the day. The great thing about this is that you're going to have a little blue needle again. But this time it's probably going to be like a light or some sort of little notch on your screen or something like that. And this will slide this way and that way according to how your camera is doing on its exposure at that moment.  So that means that your photograph is going to be way too light. So I'm going to write too light over here. And this will be too dark. And so, like I said, the same thing applies if you're over here, your two stops underexposed, which means you would need to change your f-stop by two full stops to get to your correct exposure. Now, sometimes you want to underexpose. Sometimes you're looking at a scene and say your spot meter is on a spot that is maybe one stop darker than 18% gray. So you look at it and you're like, it's not quite 18% gray. That's maybe like 30% gray. And maybe it's about one stop, or maybe almost two stops too dark. And so you're going to know that that's not 18% gray and expose for that correctly. But generally, you're just going to, most of you are going to be using multi-zone metering. And you're going to then just let it do its thing. And maybe once in a while, jump in and sort of do a little bit of adjusting. You're looking at a dark scene. If you're looking at a black photograph, and it's telling you that it wants something over here, then you're going to know a little bit more over here, maybe, or the other way, actually. It'd probably be more like that. So you just want to always keep in mind how this system is working. First of all, to know what your meter is reading and what it's seeing, because that's really important. If you have a really bright light source here that you want to expose for, but your spot meter is there, it's not going to work right. So you're going to overexpose maybe for your light source, because you're looking at a darker spot in the photograph or the other way around. Maybe you want to expose for something that's over here, but there's a big, bright light right behind your spot meter, the same with your center-weighted meter. And you just want to keep all of that in mind for when you're looking at all these charts. Light meters are really made to work with these kinds of scenes. This is exactly what I was explaining in the beginning. If you were to take this photograph, make it black and white, and throw it in a blender, you'd probably come out with about 18% gray. That's probably almost the average of all of this. So these are the kind of scenes that light meters really excel at. Scenes like this, however, are not very good. Because the thing is, if you were to average all of this light out, if you were to average out the area I was using a center-weighted meter that was right here. Actually, it was more like a spot meter, really. And the thing is, is that the light inside of that circle there is not 18% gray. That is probably not even close. It's probably something like, maybe it's like 7% or something like that. I mean, it's very light. It might even be like 4%. Who knows. So generally, when you are shooting in snow, you have to overexpose on purpose because you know that you're shooting something that is white. It's not gray. It's white, so you need to let the shutter be open a little longer, let a little bit more light into your camera. And so you're going to overexpose by one and a half, sometimes two stops. Somewhere in there, sometimes a little bit less. But generally, one and a half to two stops is kind of a good start, depending on the conditions. Here's a situation where the camera probably wanted me to overexpose. It was actually kind of doing the opposite of what was happening in the other image, because it would see all of this black, and my camera would look at all of this and be like, oh, I want to make that light. I want to make it look like this here. The camera's trying to make everything look sort of like this, and this here, and this here, and all this stuff. So it's trying to match this black to make it light. And that's not what I wanted. I put my spot meter right here on my friend Julia's cheek and said, OK, that's about 18% gray right there, which it is. It's skin color is a little bit off, but about 18% gray on Caucasians. And you can see here that the photograph ended up coming out about correctly. But if you were to just look at this whole scene and do an average metering, you would have to underexpose the image according to the meter reading. Here is another example of a really hard scene to meter. What's so hard about this is that it is backlit. Backlighting is really hard to photograph, especially because you get really strong light sources like this, and they will really mess with your situation. Here, too, you can see the light shining off of this guitar. It kept reflecting into my lens, and it kept messing with my light meter. I watched my light meter go, brrr, and jump to the right or left whenever the guitar was moving. How do you meter a situation like this? Well, you often have to, unfortunately, guess a little bit.  Because his pullover, his coat here, was too dark. It's about negative 2, so I could maybe do it there. I could maybe, if I know about where it's at, I can find something that's a reference point that I know is about 18% gray. But another problem with the situation was that the light kept changing. So I just used my spot meter, tried to keep in mind how the exposure was changing, and made it work. So that is a little bit of an introduction to metering. I hope that that gives you a good idea of what things you can do with your meter and how it works. There is a lot to it, and really the only way to learn is to go out and practice. So do that, and then come on back to alversy.org for more lessons.


Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering Pure Accelerate 2017. Brought to you by Pure Storage. Welcome back to San Francisco, everybody. We're at Pier 70, one of the oldest piers in San Francisco, which is not long for this place. It's going to be torn down after Pure Accelerate. I'm Dave Vellante and this is Stu Miniman, my co-host. This is theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. Kent Petzel, this here is the enterprise storage manager at Intermountain Healthcare and Vic Najee is back. He's the CTO of Healthcare for Pure Storage. Gents, welcome to theCUBE. Good to have you. Thanks for having us. You're welcome. So Kent, let's start with you, because we talked to Vic a little bit already, but tell us a little bit about Intermountain and your role. So Intermountain is the biggest healthcare provider in Utah. You've got 22 hospitals, 185 clinics. My role there is Imanus Storage Team. We've got eight petabytes of usable storage and we manage, do lots and lots of backups. All things data protection is under my purview as well. Have you always been a healthcare practitioner or is this relatively new for you? I've been at Intermountain for 24 years. Okay, so that's enough to qualify you as knowing a little bit about healthcare. But my question is relative to other industries. What's unique about healthcare? Obviously it's highly regulated. You've got serious privacy, but you're dealing with, many businesses are dealing with dollars and cents. You deal with a lot of budget, but you also deal with lies. Talk about some of the differences of healthcare and the particular stresses that puts on IT. One of the big things is just doing updates of your technology because we deal with people's lives. We have to be careful about when we do updates. We got to be cognizant of it's the emergency room fall, things like that. So it puts an extra challenge on us for when we need to take systems down to do updates. So that means, yeah, because updates mean it's downtime. Yeah, in the past, yes. That's not the case with Pure. Oh, tell us about that, Vic. Okay, so maybe actually tell us about that a little bit. So you guys make a big deal out of it. Last segment I turned it to dollars and cents because, on average, a migration, a ray migration, is minimum $50,000, minimum. In healthcare, it could be lies. Yeah, I mean, in healthcare it's definitely lies, but it's also a little bit more expensive because this is specialty data. So the minimum you're looking at is about $1,000 per gigabyte. Per gigabyte. Per gigabyte transitioned over, depending on the kind of application you're dealing with. In this particular case, it's more than just the expenses, like you mentioned. It's interruption of care, interruption of service, which is not acceptable. So the technology that we have and the architecture that we have allows us to go into healthcare organizations such as Inner Mountain and say, you know what, you're going to have an environment that's going to get better with time because we're going to be able to come in and not only upgrade your software, we're also going to be able to come in and upgrade your hardware and keep you on the talk cycle every three years, update your controllers and so on and so forth with zero downtime. And what we're seeing is this big shift in the healthcare industry, where Kent can relate to this. Typically we have these updates all teed up and lined up for three o'clock in the morning on some of the skewer weekend day, right? Where if something goes sideways, the number of experts you can reach are very, very low. And now we're seeing a switch with this kind of technology to actually have people say, you know what, two o'clock in the afternoon on Tuesday, I'm there, I'm doing it. Okay, so Kent, take us through sort of your journey here, how are you? So Kent, give us a before and after, what problem you're trying to solve and solve that problem? Yeah, so we started down that with our insurance arm select health. We were getting calls pretty much every week, sometimes two and three times a week for slow issues. And you know, we're looking through logs, we're doing our monitoring and stuff and it just, it was continuing and you know, my architect was spending hours and hours every week trying to research this. So we started looking at flash vendors. Pure was one of the only ones that came in, gave us the documentation we wanted, was able to answer the questions we had about our environment. It was CyBase database, AIX with some kind of weird settings. And we started testing it, we liked what we saw, we kept, we moved along, finally put it into production. They haven't called us about slows since we put it in production over three years ago. This is three years ago? So it was really a performance issue you were having with your traditional apps and you said you dropped in pure flash array and the problem just disappeared. We haven't had any calls about slows since then. And if you had to increase your capacity we've increased the capacity. In fact, because our three years was up we just did a head swap on them and added a little more capacity and that went flawless, no outage for the business and they were very happy about that. So as a long time storage practitioner, what's the difference in terms of, what difference does it make to you when you bring in a system like this? Some of the older systems to like do the head swap and get the new controller is weeks and weeks of planning and making sure you understand what's on there, what needs to move, what can take down times, what can't. I mean, there's a lot of planning that goes into that when you know there's going to be a disruption. So with systems like Pure, we don't have to do as much planning. We still do a little bit so that we know what we're getting ourselves into and what's going to be at risk. But it's a lot less. There's no. So Ken, how are you tracked by the business? What are, do you have any measurements or KPIs that they look to you? We talked about uptime before, but how are you tracked and how's that changed in the last few years? It's changed quite a bit, because we're not having to track, especially in our tier one apps that are on Pure, we're not having to track the performance as much. So we're able to re-look at what our KPIs are and come up with ones that are meaningful for us. And really with the simplicity of it, it kind of helps us to become more of a trusted advisor to our business and be able to help them solve their problems instead of continually pulling knobs and fighting fires. Yeah, Vic, I'm curious. How do you help the storage administrator today? I remember Pure used to have streaming on its website, certain data points from customers. What are you seeing today? What's helping them shift what they're working on, get more done with what they're doing? Yeah, absolutely. And so just to come back to that and echo the point here Ken just made is, essentially we're seeing the successful organizations in healthcare and possibly other verticals to live and breathe healthcare, right? So healthcare, IT organizations that are able to make the transition to a trusted advisor to a partner to the business are really making those leaps ahead in terms of better patient care and outcomes and also cost mitigation. Now in terms of what we offer, right? So it's the simplicity that's at the heart of everything. Once you set it up and you basically it's like broad feelings to say you set it and forget it, right? You have that experience. And then it's not so much about having practitioners say there's black magic going on and we're going to trust it. We have to build a transparency in there and we have to demonstrate that at a glance, single pane, there's answers to all of the questions and more that they might have, right? The telemetry that we're getting off of these systems allows us to do things with machine learning and AI and a lot of business intelligence at the back end to be able to say, you know, hey, over 80 some percent of all of our problem tickets that are ever open are opened by pure on behalf of our customers and say, hey, you have something that's demonstrating a characteristic that is similar to what we've seen across the world somewhere else and you might run into a problem. So let's just go resolve it, right? One of the things we've been poking at and they talked about in the keynote this morning is how do you get more value out of your data? We talked about an earlier segment with Vic. How do you look at your data? How are you sharing with, you know, other organizations where leveraging data internally better? We've got quite a bit of data and we're starting to go down the genomics road and with that data we've got some good opportunities to be able to make some good advancements in healthcare and how things are different diseases are treated. So we're kind of excited about that and that's one of the areas my team's been really helping out and being a trusted advisor to our genomics group to get them set up with the things they need. You guys are talking on stage today about how backup and data protection is changing. It used to be kind of disk to disk to disk and then sort of flash to disk to tape. Well, tape is still somewhere in there, you know, whatever, maybe it's the fourth level. You guys are talking flash to flash to cloud. We were talking off camera, Kat, you said, we're kind of looking at where to put the right cloud workloads. Is backup one of those? Backup is possibly one of those. We've talked a lot about, you know, how we off-site. Right now we still use a lot of tape. One of our key things that we think about when we're thinking about cloud and like off-siting stuff. So we want to make sure we put it somewhere that if we have a disaster, we can spin it up in that place, we're not trying to bring it back and, you know, bring it somewhere that is impossible during a disaster. So we want to put it somewhere and we want to be able to use it there and not just have it sit there and say, yeah, we've got data protection that's right there, but we can't use it. Yeah, yeah, can't recover. But I mean, tape is still pretty prevalent in healthcare, right? It's a little bit of a compliance issue, right? I mean, the auditors aren't going to let us throw away tape. Yes and no, I think it's just more of the, you know, it's worked for so many years, right? Now the problem that we run into is with the things, and we touched a little bit on this in the last segment, you know, we talked about security, right? And sort of in terms of insurance and protection against any of these threats that are malware, et cetera that are coming up, is getting more and more important for folks like Kent to prove to the business that, hey, we're not only backing this data up, but we're restoring it. We can restore it and it's good, right? And we know how long this takes. So all your ITIL stuff comes into play, you have your SLOs, it's all back on. Try doing that with tape, right? Try doing that with tape that's been archived off-site. No, you can't. So this is why healthcare is actually moving in the direction of saying, you know what? Let's just forget about that. Let's try to find different, better, faster, cheaper media if we can actually apply all of the principles from today. Yes, so you might still have tape but you just never use it, but you pray you never use it. Just to have it there, just in case. It's like that fire extinguisher in your barn that you don't know if it works or not, but you have it there. It's there, it looks good, right? You got to read that. Okay, so if you think about the experience that you've had with Pure, I tell you, I was going to put it in the spot, so are there things that you would do differently if you had to do it over again? Advice for your peers? Things that are on Pure's to-do list that you'd like them to do that make your life easier? I mean, yeah, there's things that are on their to-do list, and I think they're announcing some of those today, so that's probably pretty good, but we want to do more with replication, obviously, as a data protection, you need that. We'd like the price twin of the M's to go down a little bit because there's kind of this misnomer about tier one storage, and do I put my Dev on tier one? Well, there's huge opportunities with cloning and things like that, and some of the partners that Pure has that we can actually bring up Dev environments and not use as much storage as what we're using today, so. So that's a data sharing capability that you can give access to current data to your Devs and not have to spin up multiple copies and separate infrastructure, and the use case that we talked about before was an enterprise data warehouse, right, that we were trying to speed up. How about this, you know, you heard from Scott Deetson this morning, the big push on analytics. Is that something that, I mean, certainly your industry is pushing in as your organization there yet?  Yeah, we've been doing analytics for a long time in one way or another, and it's just, we're just getting more and more pressure to have the data available so they can continue to do that. Are you throwing Pure at that problem, or is it? We hope, you know, we hope to, over time, we keep adding them to our environment. All right, Vick, we'll give you the last word, Pure and healthcare. Yeah, before you give me the last word, I mean, I think Kent's underselling what Intermountain's been doing in terms of analytics over time, right? So basically, they have been one of the pioneers in terms of really understanding and driving value from data, right? Really? Yes, it's been over time, right? It's been very much so of, I have this old data, I want to go and run analytics on it, then I want to do some BI on it, and now we're getting to the real time, near real time insight on data that really matters, right? And for that, we're hopeful that we're going to have an opportunity to actually participate and help build out those sorts of frameworks. And Intermountain's one of the organizations that's led the way, a lot of the other organizations sort of following in the same footsteps. And right at the end, all I'd say is, all of the benefits that we've talked about and we talked about across verticals and just horizontally in general, that the Evergreen model brings to bear from Pure, I think they're really heightened in terms of healthcare, right? So we talked about uptime, right? We talked about six nines of uptime across our arrays. And we're counting planned maintenance as part of your runtime. We're not saying exclude those, right? Very important, right? No data migrations. Down time is downtime. Down time is downtime, right? Exactly, thank you, right? Data migrations are super risky, right? Not only are they expensive, but they're risky. If you talk to any CMIO or CNIO, and you say, hey, how do you feel about your data being picked up from here, put over there, right? See their reaction, right? And they're expensive, they're also expensive. And then the simplicity aspect of it. Simplicity is sort of at the function of the heart of everything. It's powered through simplicity, really is what it is. Giving him and his team and his organization time back to be able to go back and say, okay, to the business, how can we make your life better? How can we make patient care better? And how can we improve on resources? Good, actually, Kent, we're going to give you the last word. Pure Accelerate 2017. Good event, what are you learning? Anything exciting? It's been a great event so far. I love the announcements. I just love being in this type environment because there's such a vibe here wanting to help people do things and it's really great to be in a place like this. Yeah, it's fun, too. We got Snoop and Snoop with the multi-cloud. That's a good idea. Are you sticking around? Are you sticking around for that? Yeah, I'll be around. All right, good. We'll leave it there. Thanks, you guys. We really appreciate you coming on. Okay, keep it right there. This is theCUBE. We're live from Pure Accelerate 2017 in San Francisco. 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