So, our last couple of talks are a little bit of a shift of gear. Are you going to do it all together? Or are you going to do it up here? What are you going to do? So, one of the things that's changed in cancer care over the last decade is the recognition that managing the whole patient is critical to the outcome that we would want to see. What does that mean? It means that providing supportive care during the cancer journey is critical. What is supportive care? It could be things like pain management, chaplaincy, understanding the genetics of kidney cancer. And what I thought would be helpful for all of you would be to see here and learn about the supportive care programs. Not that we only have here, but how to think about supportive care as a partner in your kidney cancer care. And we've invited Eve Makoff, who's co-director of our supportive care service. Nancy, who's the nursing director of our kidney cancer program.  So you guys have the table. Thank you. We're just going to be a little bit more informal toward the end of the day. And so you can look at us as another team within this huge team that you've heard about all day today. Hi, I'm Eve. Most of you know me as that. I'm an internist, but I work in the supportive care department at the Samuel Ocean Cancer Center Institute. And I wanted to just tell you a little bit about supportive care and how it intersects with oncology. So what is supportive care? This is specialized medical care for people with serious illnesses. It focuses on providing patients with relief from the symptoms, pain, and stress of serious illness, whatever the diagnosis. The goal is to improve quality of life for both the patient and the family. And this comes from the center to advance palliative care. In some institutions, this is called palliative care. In our institution and a lot of other institutions, we change the name to supportive care. Because people associate palliative care with hospice. And what I do and what my colleagues do does not necessarily have to do with the end of life. What is oncology supportive care? Cancer and its treatment, as you know, often causes a variety of symptoms and side effects. An important part of cancer care, no matter what the diagnosis is, is to relieve these symptoms and these side effects. This is called palliative care symptom management or supportive care. This kind of care is more than receiving a drug, any kind of medication. It's also focusing on your emotional state, your spiritual state, and any kind of needs that you have at home or with respect to your symptoms. So again, what is oncology supportive care? It's a kind of support that includes carefully considering your prognosis, your goals for your medical care, what your needs are at home, any kind of physical, psychological, or other symptoms that you have that we can help you with. So who provides this kind of care? We have an interdisciplinary team. In our cancer center, we have myself, we have another supportive care physician, we have a rehab physician, we have a psychiatrist, we have a team of social workers, we have a chaplain, and we have dieticians, and we all comprise the supportive care team. So the research, and I didn't, unlike everybody else who spoke today, I didn't really focus on research, but we do have research and more and more is being done in terms of how supportive care or palliative care is affecting patients and family members. In 2010, there was a sort of the most important initial study to describe how in particular lung cancer patients benefited from supportive care. They were shown to have fewer symptoms, to have less distress, to have better quality of life. Subsequent studies have actually shown that they may actually live longer, and many more studies are underway and have been showing across the board that this kind of care on top of your usual oncology care is actually improving your quality of life and potentially prolonging your life. So I'm quick and sweet, and if anybody has any questions, feel free to call my office. You can ask Dr. Figlin or any of the other doctors up here, all of whom I work with. I work with all of the doctors at the Cancer Center. If you have any questions or think that you need help with any pain or symptom management or any more coordination of care or questions, you know, social work questions, spiritual care questions, dietician questions, you can always reach our supportive care department. Thank you. Thank you. Before I get started, and I think my observation of the day is that with all the speakers that we've had thus far, no one has really talked about side effects. I find that kind of interesting. But anyway, I'm going to cover that a little bit, and I will be available afterwards if you have specific questions. We have a lot of information you can imagine to review. But can you show me, just by raising your hand, how many of you have not been on any targeted therapies to date in... Okay. How many have had immunotherapy? How many have had more than one targeted therapy and more than two? All right. Well, with that information, we're going to get started. And the title of my talk is Taking Your Anti-Cancer Medication Is Not As Easy As You Think. And that's a pretty true statement. And I like to think that it's not as easy as we think because we are a team, meaning you and the audience, the patient, and your healthcare provider, because we do this together.  And the first thing is that the treatment that you're going to be receiving, and we get asked this question all the time, is that the treatment for the most part will be chronic administration. Dose reductions will indeed be made. Dosing schedules may be altered, and I'd like to spend a little bit more time on that topic as we get further through the slides. To us, your quality of life is definitely a priority. Communication with your healthcare team will improve outcomes. All the side effects can be managed. And please keep your schedule appointments with your healthcare team. And again, these are guiding principles that you need to follow for a better outcome. So you need to ask these questions, and I think you probably have already started formulating these as you listened to the lectures earlier today. Is this the right drug for me? What is the evidence supporting the use of this drug? Are there treatment guidelines? What do I need to know about this medication before I start taking it? What are the side effects? What are the advantages of an oral drug versus intravenous? What resources are going to be available to me? How will success be measured? And by that, I mean everybody asks the question, okay, so if I start taking this medication, how are you going to know if it's working? And generally, the response that we give is that we're going to be doing CAT scans. It might be eight weeks, it might be 12 weeks, but rest assured, we will always be wanting to evaluate the success of these medications. And then again, the question number eight, how long will I be taking this medication? And our response to that is as long as they are helping you and you are tolerating the drug well. So some of these questions are titled here is what patients need to know. We've already reviewed today. What is angiogenesis? You heard from several lectures earlier that it's the formation of new blood cells to tumors. And what we're trying to do is to, but these medications break that process from occurring. Am I getting targeted therapy versus chemotherapy? Most of you probably know that most of the treatments that you're going to get for kidney cancer are going to be either targeted therapy or some type of immunotherapy. What are the side effects? That's what I'm here for in our practice here. I talk a lot about the side effects, management. I do a lot of phone call triaging. So to make sure that you always have somebody available to talk to. And even recently, I have had patients send me pictures of a side effect that they're experiencing. And when that occurs, we can really get on the management of it, because I have a clear picture of what's going on, and then we know how to intervene rather quickly. You need to discuss with your health care team any elective medical procedures that you're going to, or that you might have, because these drugs need to be stopped before you undergo any type of surgical procedure. And then there's a waiting period before you can restart. It's important that we know what other medications you're taking because of drug-drug interactions and what your past medical history is in terms of the potential side effects that you might have. When should you take the medication? What are some of the foods that you shouldn't have? And also, keep a diary. It's hard when you come back for your monthly appointments to kind of always recall some of the side effects that you had in the past 28 days. Well, two of the major classifications of drug that we use, the VEGF inhibitors and the MTOR inhibitors, and they have very distinct side effects. With the VEGF, you're going to see a lot of skin toxicity, fatigue, hypertension, some mouth soreness. The MTOR inhibitors, drugs like affinity and temporolimus can cause some changes in your blood glucose, lipids, so also some skin rashes, and for the temporolimus that is given intravenously, there's a risk of infusion reactions, although quite low. So just to start with some of the side effects, dry skin, a rash, what we call hand-foot syndrome, can occur with these medications. And it's just important that, number one, you know about them ahead of time, that you employ some of the interventions that you're going to learn about, and that you report them to your healthcare provider if they occur. And these are some side effects, not meaning to be too graphic, but it's important that you see this so you can look at your feet and your hands throughout the course of your therapy to see what was happening. And some of these can be quite painful, and that's why it's important that you inspect your feet on a daily basis. And this is what can happen on the hands. It's very common with these targeted therapies, the VEGF inhibitors, and it's what we call hand-foot syndrome. We treat this by a variety of moisturizers, and I like to use the word cream as opposed to lotion, because creams are generally thicker, and what you want is a very thick moisturizer. All of these are over-the-counter, although there are some prescription moisturizers that we can give, but the important thing is not what you use, it's the frequency with which you use it.  So we do a lot of dietary interventions, and that's why, as Dr. Makov mentioned, if anybody in our practice wants to see a dietician, we can make that happen. They can really be very helpful with food choices when they're having some of the GI toxicities. We have a lot of interventions, sometimes you just have to change your diet and what you would normally eat, and it can really make a huge difference in the outcome of some of the side effects. We recommend, prior to starting these medications, that you start with some over-the-counter meds that can help with heartburn. Again, your physician is going to tell you some of the medications that he or she thinks would be suitable, but the important thing is you need to ask your doctor, should I be taking something like this, and for us, the answer would be yes, because heartburn can be a bother when you're on these medications. Another medication, because diarrhea can occur, things like over-the-counter amodium, if you need a prescription medication, these are all things that you should know about before they happen so that you're prepared if and when they do occur. We have a lot of oral side effects. Your mouth may feel like it has a burning sensation. It may or may not have some isolated sores in the mouth. There's really not any one great intervention that we can recommend, except for good old-fashioned mouth care, warm water rinses with or without salt water or baking soda, and again, the frequency at which you do this can change the outcome. These are just some examples of products that we use. Many times, we tell patients to change their toothpaste to children's toothpaste because they're more fruit-flavored and they don't have the spicy minty flavors. One of the most common side effects is fatigue. The first thing is, let's figure out sometimes what is causing the fatigue together. We can do that with the patients, but ways to manage it. I know it may sound a little unusual, but to exercise.  Even if you take a five-minute walk in the morning and a five-minute walk in the afternoon, that could help. Set priorities for yourself when you want to do something. Many patients tell me that if they take a 20 to 30-minute nap in the afternoon, when they wake up, they feel much more refreshed and they can carry on. But don't ever hesitate to let your physician know if you are feeling this way. Just because you're having these side effects does not mean that the treatment is going to be stopped. We may have to make some adjustments, but it's important that you tell us what you're feeling. Another common side effect is hypertension. This is something that we anticipate very frequently with these medications. If you have a baseline history of hypertension, chances are your blood pressure is going to increase while you're on the treatment.  And if we see your blood pressure start creeping up, we'll start either with a medication if you've never been on one. We like to coordinate most of this care with your primary care physician or cardiologist. And a lot of times having that appointment with these other physicians prior to starting is very helpful so that your whole team is aware of the type of medications that you're on. And what's interesting is that the development of hypertension can be what we call these biomarkers that perhaps the medication is actually working. So developing hypertension can be seen as a positive effect. Now some of the medications, synitinib, everlimus, excitinib, it doesn't really matter what time of the day you take it, although we recommend that you take it the same time every day. And it can be taken with or without food. Synitinib is generally taken on a schedule of four weeks on, two weeks off. But one of the most exciting things that we have come across is changing the dosing schedule of the drug synitinib. So what we do now for patients is we start them on four weeks on, two weeks off. And if they can't tolerate that, what we do is administer the synitinib, two weeks on followed by one week of rest, go for another two weeks and then another week of rest, which equals six weeks, which is a cycle of therapy. And we're able to do that without decreasing the dose. And what you should be asking your physicians and what your goal should be is trying to maintain the dose of these medications. Because the higher the dose that you can maintain, the better outcome, the better effect, anti-tumor effect that you can achieve. Now, drugs like seraphinib and pisopinib, they're a little bit more challenging in terms of dosing because they have to be taken on an empty stomach. So you have to either take it at least one hour or two hours after a meal. The drug Temserolimus is IV-given weekly, and then the drug Bevacitamin is also intravenous. So it doesn't really matter whether or not you've taken food or have not taken food. And then many of these drugs, you cannot take grapefruit or grapefruit juice. That's probably the only food contraindication. And any questions for me or we can address some of these questions? Oh, sure. Go ahead. Because of a drug-drug interaction between the grapefruit and the medication. It's like an enzyme that the grapefruit has and it interferes with the medications. You can have a regular orange. There's some oranges that you're not recommended that you have, but the main drug is grapefruit. Civil oranges are one that you sometimes will hear about not to be taken with the targeted therapies. Anything else? Anybody else? Thank you. Hi, my name is John Lee. I'm a genetic counselor here at Cedars, and I just wanted to take some time to talk to everyone about the genetics behind kidney cancer. It's a little bit different than the genetics that has been previously alluded to in some of the other talks today, but I will differentiate that. Some common questions are, is my specific type of kidney cancer genetic? And are any of my other family members, such as my brothers and sisters and children, are they at risk as well? So these are some of the points that I want to address today. So when we talk about genetic testing, when I've talked with various patients about this, you'll see all sorts of different opinions regarding genetic testing itself. None of which are right or wrong. Everyone has their own opinion. Some people feel as though knowledge is power, and it will help them make decisions moving forward. Others say, you know, why would I want to know of them at an increased risk of developing a different type of cancer? I don't think I would do anything. It would just cause me anxiety, and I would worry a lot about that. Others say, certainly they have different motivations for the testing. They don't care themselves necessarily whether it's genetic, but they want to know specifically are their children at increased risks of developing this cancer. Others have concerns about insurance discrimination for either themselves or family members saying, I'm concerned if I am positive I'm going to be discriminated against based on health insurance, life insurance, things like that. And other people say, I want to be tested for everything. I want to know as much as possible, you know, not even just cancer. I want to know, you know, what am I potentially at risk for? Cardiovascular disease, other things. I want to know, you know, how to prepare best for the future. So I think in terms of talking about genetic testing, it's important to talk about some of the basics and science behind this. So to begin with the human genome, it consists of about three billion base pairs, and everyone has about 26,000 different genes. You have two copies of every single gene. You get one from your mother and one from your father. So you get half the material from either side of the family. Everyone's sequence varies roughly about every 300 to 1,000 bases, and these are what we call SNPs. The large majority of our DNA is actually the same, so over 99.9% of it. However, there certainly are key differences between all of us. It's what makes us different from each other. Most of these variations lead to trait differences, but some of them can lead to disease as well, such as cancer. It's expected that everyone has about four to five deleterious or harmful mutations, and a larger number of these SNPs as well, so variants that could also potentially lead to disease. So within different types of diseases and genetics, there's a couple different categories that you can see. So some are what we call chromosomal disorders, so these are either having an extra copy of a gene, a missing copy of an entire chromosome. These are things like Down syndrome, Fragile X. There's also single gene disorders, so this is having a particular mutation in one particular gene. So if you've heard of BRCA1 and BRCA2, these are the hereditary breast and ovarian cancer genes. A lot of other genetic syndromes such as Tasex, cystic fibrosis, hemophilia and sickle cell are also tied to one gene in particular. And then there's a lot more complex disease that we categorize as genomics. So these are sporadic versions of cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, Alzheimer's, where we think that there certainly is a genetic interaction, but it may be multiple genes that are causing these and also a gene in an environmental interaction. And we haven't gotten a good handle on these specifically in terms of being able to offer specific testing for them. And it's certainly an active area of research. So all cancer is actually genetic, but only about 10% is inherited, and the number within kidney cancer is probably actually closer to about 5%. So the reason for this discrepancy is it's important to understand there's actually two different types of genetic mutations that someone can have. The first of which, which is my area, is what we call germline mutations. So these are the mutations that you are born with.  So the person has these throughout the entirety of their lifetime. They're actually present in the egg or the sperm. Again, they can be passed on from generation to generation. And these are the ones that affect these cancer syndromes that, again, can run within families. The other types of mutations that you can have are what we call somatic mutations. So these are mutations that we think are acquired over someone's lifetime. They occur only in the cancer's tissue. More importantly, they're not inherited. So these somatic mutations cannot be passed on from generation to generation. However, these are certainly very helpful within both prognosis and treatment. And these are the type of mutations that were alluded to in the previous talks in terms of how can we now characterize cancers in terms of individualizing treatment for patients. So the somatic mutations certainly play a very, very large role within treatment. But again, the germline mutations also can have an important role as well, but a separate role there. So within genetics, family history is very, very important. You know, whenever we try to assess whether a type of cancer is genetic, we try to look further into the family history to see what kind of patterns can we see, either individuals with the multiple same types of cancers within a family or different types of cancers that form a pattern within a specific type of syndrome. Most of these conditions are inherited in what we call a dominant pattern. So that means that, again, everyone has two copies of a single gene, one from mom, one from dad. Within a dominant condition, all it takes is having one changed copy to be at a higher risk of disease, or in this case, cancer. But it also displays a phenomenon that we call incomplete penetrance. So really what this means is, when someone has a genetic change, they certainly may be at an increased risk of developing cancer, but it's not necessarily a 100% chance to develop cancer. So you can see people with these genetic mutations that never develop a cancer. So it can kind of appear to skip a generation within a family. So in this particular example, you see starting up here with grandmother, she has the mutation, she also has the cancer, which is indicated by this orange shading. She had a couple of children here. This daughter over here has the mutation and also had cancer. This daughter over here did inherit the mutation, but never developed cancer. You can see that she had five children, three of whom ended up developing cancer. But when you look at this family tree, it appears to skip a generation because this individual never developed a cancer. But if you were actually to genetically test these individuals, you would see the mutation consistent within all of them. So it's an important distinction to make there, just because you don't see it within every single generation doesn't necessarily mean that it's not genetic within a family. So what are the types of cancers that we can see that are more commonly associated with genetic syndrome? So certainly on the left side, some of the more common ones, breast cancer, ovarian, prostate, uterine, and pancreatic. But certainly we can see renal cancers, pheochromocytomas, periglanguomas, gastric cancer, thyroid cancer, colon cancer, and melanoma as well. So there's a wide variety of different cancers that can be hereditary and run within families. There are also some other cancers that are very common, and you can see clustering within a family, but we don't think that they have a large hereditary basis to them.  So over here, this slide, it's a little bit hard to read, but the point of this really is that there are a large number of different genes over here that can be associated specifically with hereditary renal cancers. Genetic testing from the germline side has really taken a large advance within the past few years. Historically, we would need to do single gene testing looking at one or two of these genes at a time, trying to find what is the most likely gene here. It was very costly, very time consuming as well. Within the past few years, there was a breakthrough in technology, and there's a new technology available. It's called Next Generation Genetic Testing. It allows us to actually screen for the large majority of these genes all at once for very similar prices as single gene testing, and actually at the same time as it used to sequence a single gene now. So the diagnostic rate of genetic testing is going up because previously where we were missing some of these genetic conditions, we're not missing them like we were before because the testing is more readily available. So what are some things to look out for a person or a family history that makes it a little bit more or less likely to have a genetic condition? So if someone has a kidney cancer, these are some of the other things to look out within, again, a personal or a family history that can be things that could potentially indicate that this could have a genetic basis to it. So things like spontaneous pneumothorax, fibrophiliculomas, a history of seizures, retinal angiomas, hemangioblastomas, liomyoma, oncocytoma, and then certainly other types of cancers within the family specifically, again, pheochromocytomas, paragoniomas, colon and uterine cancer, and then also very importantly, again, multiple types of kidney cancer within a family. So also when we look at the family history, it's also important to realize that the family history does include more than what we sometimes consider to be closely related individuals, so more than just first degree individuals. You can certainly see patterns within a family extending out to great aunts, great uncles, distant cousins as well. So when you look at your family history, again, it's important to look beyond just parents, siblings, and children. You can see atypical presentations within families where there's very distantly related individuals that have the same types of cancers and it's actually due to the same heritable cause. Some other red flags for kidney cancer itself that can make it more likely to be hereditary, certainly the age of onset of the kidney cancer. Any cancer before the age of 50 has a higher chance of being hereditary. If there's bilateral involvement, so if both kidneys have cancer, that's more likely to be genetic. Any cancers that are multifocal, one tumor and one kidney. And then certainly, again, a family history of kidney cancer and also neuroendocrine tumors. There's also another offshoot of hereditary kidney cancer that we call familial kidney cancer. It's classically defined as families that have two or more renal cancers, but no genetic mutation has been found within this family. Again, the diagnostic yield has improved with our newer genetic testing panels, as we call them, but still, certainly there's families with multiple kidney cancers that where we can't find a genetic mutation. We think that the explanation is likely within some other genes that we don't know about yet. Again, as I mentioned earlier, we have about 26,000 genes. We're doing cancer testing for about 40 of those genes at this point, so there's certainly lots of genes that we haven't characterized yet that may play a role within hereditary renal cancer. So within these families, it's currently recommended that first-screw relatives undergo screening, but the exact risks and the frequency of the imaging isn't quite clear. Certainly more research needs to be done there. There was an NCI study that kind of underscores the importance of this that showed that 2 out of 141 family members who had this screening were actually found to have tumors on their screening. So it's very important, again, even when there's not a genetic mutation that's able to be identified within these families that have familial kidney cancer that family members know about this so they can get the appropriate screening. So overall, genetic testing can play a role within patients' care in terms of figuring out, potentially, why did their cancer develop? Are they at risk of either a different type of cancer or any other malignancies? And how can we best screen them moving forward? And then certainly for other family members, if there is a genetic mutation that's identified, it doesn't mean that everyone in the family has the same mutation.


Oh, I was gonna start this video with an air of surprise by not having the giant box I bought from play Asia on the table to begin with so that I could have the moment where I slam it on the table And we all get very excited, but apparently Simon has decided that it's his bed How we're gonna dive into this thing and explore the goodies inside.  Let me break this down for you guys. Kimberly You know how we made the videos the the girlfriend you buy me stuff from Etsy and it really fun and awesome And then I bought you some stuff from Etsy and then we did one where we bought each other stuff from Etsy You heard of it. I love doing those and I know you do too, but we have ran out There's nothing left So I've been racking my brains trying to think of where I can get things that are weird You know, what's a weird place? Japan, okay, Japan. Oh, they're wacky over there. Love them. Loved my time our time in japan Actually, some of my favorite videos on the channel, but oh boy ramen Oh, they've lost their mind ramen's delicious actually this is a box Of weird nintendo switch accessories and video games that I bought from play asia play asia not a sponsor By the way, they're a very awesome site where you can buy things from japan pretty dang cheap You know what is a sponsor? growing up I never really ate cereal even when I was young I knew that it was mostly sugar and junk that I shouldn't be eating I still try to live a fairly sugar-free lifestyle Heck the recent video on my other channel was me showing you how I make my secret sugar-free ice cream recipe So imagine my surprise when all of this rocked up at my front door With zero sugar 11 grams of protein and only three net gram carbs in each serving I can finally eat breakfast like a kid without feeling super guilty as an adult There's a ton of flavors like fruity chocolate frosty and blueberry the chocolate tastes exactly Like the other chocolate brands you're thinking of and it even flavors the milk to taste like a chocolate milkshake Only crunchy Do you guys have that commercial here or is that an australian thing? 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The reason why I got it is because I knew this is going to be the Closest you can get to an official feeling joy con. That's this color and with a d-pad Take a feel of that bad boy. Tell me if you can feel a difference.  Oh, I feel it's awesome I'm just touching the very quality d-pad The very quality analog stick and I'm having a great time. Isn't that all that you really need? Oh, very nice pick actually. I thought it was weird because I've never I've never seen these before in a western market But it does seem like something that someone would have tried releasing here in a game store They have but for phones. Yeah, but people are dumb. They don't see something for a phone and then think I could use that on my switch Well, there you go It looks like a really small ring though.  Here you try Kimberly I would like to offer you my ring joy con in marriage I feel like that's how most people would expect me to propose to you Oh this next one. I am very excited about The speaker. Yep. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it is kill. I hope it has charge No time like the present. I've charged it all up. Why is my hair up? That is so loud Holy okay, so it has a stand and it stands on its own I can't imagine anyone wanting to play like this Because that is deafening, but it sounds pretty decent.  So this is a portable fan for the back of your console I don't understand how it's supposed to work Ironically plugging this into your switch and running it while you're playing is going to heat up your switch More than this is going to eventually call it back down Wait a second. What? It doesn't plug into the switch It doesn't plug into the switch. No, you don't charge it because the pictures have it plugged in Plugged in they'll help you to be what he's outside. How long is the extension cord? He's got I don't have Been close enough to me. So we'll have to cut I don't see how this is supposed to cool down anything It's not going over any of the vents and I'm not blocking any of the vents to find out Also, this cord is so short. I have a port on my computer here and I still have to get relatively closed So this slating back here runs Super cold and maybe putting this cold compress on it is what cools it down. It's almost like a self-cooling system. Maybe this actually does do something, but you still gotta Plug it in that's so impractical For those that don't know especially if you're in america the brain training game that released digitally here got a physical release in europe I was actually lucky enough to be in australia when it released and I picked it up It comes with a stylus.  There's like this plastic protective thing But I feel like if I yank on it anymore than I am I'm gonna break it It looks like it's supposed to leave the plastic thing on it It's a What oh my gosh, you do leave the plastic thing on it gave me the other one to be fair. It works well I don't know how precise we can be. We're gonna have to see while kim's trying this. I'll open up the next thing You bought two of them. Oh, that's for the dock though. It's for the dock. Yeah It's supposed to cool the dock down. I don't know why I bought two of these But I guess I'll test this one out while I'm testing out the other one Is it really even a point because you know what's gonna happen? I'm gonna open it I'm gonna stick it on the back of my dock and it's gonna start spinning and I'm gonna be like cool It's getting louder This is just a trick because people hear about docks overheating They're trying to sell you a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist Especially with an official nintendo dock like yes, maybe your third party ones all overheat But you shouldn't be using those anyway and this piddly little fan Isn't gonna help. Is it kind of working? I mean it does work It's just very strange to have to look over the disc. I drew a cat. I mean, I don't think I could have done that With these oh, wow Kim, I am Very excited for this. How old are you that you need a magnifier for your screen? Excuse me. You gonna play farm film? What look at that and tell me look at the way he's popping out of the screen. That's a phone Yeah, I know that's a phone. That's a switch. What is that? I don't know the same thing Oh You want to no no no no no no no no no. I'll show you. It's not the same thing. It's actually almost the opposite Good lord. Why this is not gonna be good. I love this. Oh, but it comes with a manual. Oh, yeah, that's cool That is so cool and it works. So where kim's sitting right now I can't see I she can't see my screen at all I wonder if this will work on camera So what this overlay does you look right on you can see it but to the side it blacks it out Out of everything here so far. I love this the most I like this. I'm now realizing there's probably a reason why I love it so much This is the first thing we've actually bought today. It's nintendo. It's nintendo brand I just noticed that it has nintendo's logo up top here. It's a nintendo product that actually didn't come out here This happens every time you make one of these videos I love ranking the things as to like the coolest to the worst, but that is number one That is number perfect. Number one. Love it nintendo. All you make is quality things My granddad has one of these. What does that look like? Like a fish All right guys Hey, oh it works It do work, but like In what situation would you need that? It's awesome Like it worked as well as something like this could possibly work if you're nearsighted or something Oh, there's a balloon Please hold okay. We're not playing animal crossing right now. I don't know how well this effect I mean that's that's a pretty yeah I mean you can get the idea I'm just shocked when I stop looking through it like I'm aware of how small the switch is Like you would think having a switch this big like this is like twice the size You would think that would be kind of extreme from nintendo I'm sat here playing it and I could have a screen this big It might not be portable But then how portable is an ipad pro really if mums can block my vision of the animals with their stupid iPads at the zoo I didn't get to pet the koala. Well guys. I appreciate you watching the video. They're so much more. We gotta hurry up This but I just wanted to see what these would look like on the switch You know what i'm realizing at the moment. We could create a monster We could put these on that on this on that on and this on it. We could create something very special Something that will overheat in about two seconds. I don't think that's making anything any easier That is ridiculous. I guess you can push it from here. Well, if you're gonna be all gentle about it I'm talking about you're about to get that big w in fortnight It's you and one other person and you're trying to smash look at that It looks like my joy cones about to take flight We have three things left and they're all pretty cool. Oh, I see something animal crossing colors Oh, yeah, what did I buy? Oh, that is sweet. Good job me. Yeah, you're the animal crossing person. You you do this I mean They feel Exactly like an old controller. I used to use when I was a kid I had this really like weird third party controller It was small and it felt plastic and that's what these feel like. I'm getting nostalgia holding these I feel like this would be really good for like small children Oh, I remember what they're for and why they say switch light They are specifically these small controllers that if you only had a switch light or you're taking a switch light somewhere You take your controllers with you probably in this bag. Just probably why I bought the freaking bag too I'm now remembering what I did two months ago play asia So now when you get to your friend's house the switch light goes on the table You get these two little mini controllers and both you and your friend can play the switch light Yeah, this one's like I half of a switch Well, no actually look how much room there is you can put a normal switch in there So I don't really know much about the uh, I don't even know what it's called Taito no Taito no no bueno All I know is this is a big thing in Japan and whatever Kim and I go to arcades, especially our local arcade There's a giant one of these Uh, you don't want to know Oh, that's really nice. Yeah. Oh, I'm really excited about this This was super quality and I think this is going to be a lot of fun to play I will play this on a twitch stream because I think that would be really fun I might even be live tonight Imagine that you went to twitch right now and there I am Who knows on your way to find out is to go and and see and hit follow while you're there Oh, they have a little That's That's so cute I love that. I mean will we can't attest to this without playing it? So we'll leave it out of the voting criteria. So we're going for Weird screen that I love pen bag What about the deep ad right after those right after those she guesses magnifying glass fans We haven't as of right now. We haven't but you've seen it Yeah, and then the little dongle things. Yeah, I think so and then this is its own thing I'm sure it's fun and we'll play that later. Well, you know what we have to do now Kim What do we have to do now? We have to see how much stuff we can fit on this switch That didn't sound good So here's the problem with building the beast the magnifying glass the way that it connects over the switch It doesn't like that we have the other overlay on so it keeps coming off and I have to keep holding it here Oh, yeah, and there's no way that we can put the speaker on wait Is there? Yes No We have created a monster. This is the nintendo switch's final form But you can't get your satisfied grip on it. So really Hold everything together a technically Kind of works But I can't really even use the grip because I have to have my hand on the back of everything else to keep it all in place That's it. I'm done. I really enjoy making videos like this.  It's a win win win win win And I hope you had a good time to check out the sponsor links down below Oh, it gets loud Bye guys


That's not them fishy about it man. It's good Hey guys, I know the series ended a little while ago, but I just watched it literally in two days I'm gonna talk to you about 11 22 63 now. I like certain Stephen King films I like a lot of the films of his that aren't horror films like Green Mile Shawshank Redemption But I do like other ones. I like the mist. I love the mist It was depressing horror films. I've ever seen it's great As for his mini series, I've never really watched them in full except for the stand Which was done in the 90s and then the storm of the century the storm of the century. I loved I thought that was great the stand And so then to see some another series from what I've just seen about other stuff especially nostalgia critic Kings TV series aren't really that great sometimes so When they were said that they were gonna do a TV series about his novel about a guy going back in time to try and save JFK I was interested and it was even more interested when it was James Franco who was attached to the project So how does it hold up? Well, I actually do very much enjoy it. I thought it was really cool I like the pacing admittedly you might find the pacing to be a little bit slow Especially that first episode, but you have to understand they also are trying to fill in a lot and a lot of information There's a lot that happens in this book and admittedly a lot of the stuff doesn't get passed on now I don't know I didn't read the book myself But my friend Sean who has read the book and then watched the series before he told me basically everything that happened in the Book and so I had this reference so we should say aside from some pretty made a few major bits not like essential but Bake in the book, but not essentially the story this the film the series does the job However, there are some issues here and there, but I'll get to that later The whole point of James Franco going back in time and being able to save JFK is very interesting because that is his Purpose that's why he's going back in time to do But what we see is a guy who actually has found a true life like found the life that he wanted in a different time And that's something that I really enjoy was seeing this guy who didn't belong in his time Finding a life in this time back 60 year for 50 years ago So to see him interact with these people have Relationships become friends with people and deal with conflicts of others That was great and then when he meets this girl cut say and she's great And that's another thing too is aside from maybe one person in this film Everyone in this film was great in terms of acting I thought that the cast was very well done Admittedly there is like a few characters that are stereotypes for Stephen King especially Sadie's ex-husband who's a crazy Psychopath, but that's usually that usually happens in these films and with King's work. However from the sides from him Everything works out great until the last episode now the whole point of him going back in time There's been this Fourth that's been working against him and that is time itself time is working against him to stop him from doing this Anytime he starts to meddle with things He doesn't it works it almost doesn't work for him If not time will try to stop him from doing it They will things will change from what he knows or that's in from the future So as he gets he knows this he's been living in the past for three years And he knows that anytime he tries to interfere with anything to do with JFK The time works against him. So he always tries to do different things. He always will he'll stay aside He won't interfere. He'll just observe however in the last moment He gets to where JFK is going to get shot and he instead of parking maybe down the road or a little Maybe a few blocks away.   There's a lot of moments that he Why is he doing this? Why is he letting this continue? Why did he not think of that? I? Don't enjoy that However, the thing that I didn't like even more was the McGuffin ending now for some of you I understand the moral obligation of the story I remember I understand the kind of the moral lesson and I like how it ends for the character, but in a way But I don't like it at the same time because it feels that almost nothing is mitigated that his consequences He doesn't get consequences for what he does and I thought that was very I don't know I think that was a bit underwhelming. I was it was too happy. I guess that maybe that's my biggest complaint about this series Is the ending is too happy? So but that's a common thing with most of these especially with King novels you you'll either be really satisfied with the ending or you're gonna be pissed and I'm kind of on the ladder, but I did like the whole project I like the entire thing leading up to it immediately. I thought the ending was a bit. Yeah, but I still enjoyed this series So in the end, I'm going to give 11 22 63 a Five out of seven. I enjoyed it. I think you guys should watch it. It's a great period piece It's very well done about the 60s everything in that is show is impeccably well done Sure, some of it's not Perfect.  Anyways guys. I hope you enjoyed this review. I'll see you guys next time


Heating a metal hydroxide decomposes the metal hydroxide to form the metal oxide and water. Since there's no carbon present in the compound, no carbon dioxide can be formed, so there's no need to do a test with lime water. If we heat calcium hydroxide, we will produce calcium oxide and water vapor. The water vapor condenses at the top of the test tube and we can test for the presence of the water using the cobalt blue paper.


Nihao, here's what's new in DevTools in Chrome 78. The Audits panel now has multi-client support, which means that you can now experiment with code changes within DevTools and then audit the page to see how those changes affect your score. My Audits panel report says that my performance score isn't very good, mainly because this page has three render blocking resources, jQuery, Lodash, and 3JS. The Learn More link tells me I should use the async or defer attribute on JavaScript that isn't needed for the page load. The problem here is that the build process for this site is slow and it'll take a long time to test out this change. So what I can do now instead is test out the changes within DevTools. First, let's just block the jQuery request because I happen to know we don't use that code anymore. I press Ctrl Shift P or Command Shift P on Mac and run the show request blocking command. Then I click add pattern, then type jQuery, then click add. To add async attributes to the other scripts, I'll press Ctrl Shift P or Command Shift P on Mac again and run the show overrides command. Then select a folder, then click allow, and now my code changes are saved to that folder. Next, I press Ctrl P or Command P on Mac and open the HTML for this page. Then add the async attribute to the Lodash and 3JS script tags and press Ctrl S or Command S on Mac to save the changes. Now when I go back to the audits panel and click perform and audit, then click run audits to audit the page again. When the audit finishes, we can see a substantial improvement in the performance score. The background services section of the application panel now supports payment handler events. The payment handler API makes it easier to collect payment information from users, which you can learn more about in this article. To debug payment handler events, first go to the application panel, then open the payment handler section, then click record. DevTools will now record payment handler activity for three days, even when DevTools is closed. For example, first I close DevTools, then trigger some payment handler activity and I work through the payment handler UI, then after a while the payment goes through. To debug the payment handler activity, I press Ctrl Shift I or Command Option I on Mac to open the application panel backup and my table is empty because I haven't enabled the show events from other domains checkbox. But once I do that, I can see payment events and I can click an event to view its details. The new third-party usage diagnostic audit tells you how much third-party code your page requested and how long that third-party code blocked the main thread while the page loaded. In the performance section of my audits report, I can see the new third-party usage audit. If I click that audit to expand it, I see which third-party domains were detected on my page, the total size of network requests coming from that domain and the amount of time that each third-party blocked the main thread. The performance panel now supports the new largest contentful paint metric. Largest contentful paint is a new metric introduced in Chrome 77 that measures when the largest content element in the viewport was rendered. Check out web.dev slash largest contentful paint to learn more about it. After recording performance, the LCP marker in the timing section tells you when your largest contentful paint event happened. If you hover over the marker, DevTools highlights the largest content element node in the viewport. Or you can click the marker, then open the summary tab and hover over related node. If you click related node, DevTools opens that node in the DOM tree. If you ever encounter a bug in DevTools or have a feature request, you can now file issues on the DevTools engineering team's tracker from the main menu. Click the main menu, then go to help, then select report a DevTools issue. Please tell us what Chrome version and operating system you're using, and please describe how to reproduce the problem. Thanks for watching.


Youth and politics in this particular segment. We shall take a look at what has been taking place in the past one week and taking a look at some of the political turn of events. What is it that we should be looking forward to? To help us in talking about politics and youth. I am joined to my extreme left. I am with Kirag Omruthi. He is an aspirant of a parliamentary seat of KPP Reconstituency. That is Kirag Omruthi, ready to my extreme right, sorry. And next to me I am with the Faris from Bogo Jane. He is the Jubilee Youth League, Kiambo County, a leader. I am a lady, a gentleman. Thank you, thank you so much. I am a lady, a gentleman. I am not sure if I will be able to speak. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Kirag, before we get into politics, do you guys love football? Of course. Do you like football? Yes, a lot. I am a staunch supporter of a great fan of Manchester United. Manu, no wonder you are red. It is always red for me. Unfortunately, and what a supporter of football. You do not watch football? The last time I was here, I told you that I am a fan of motorsports. Oh yes, I remember. I remember. Wow, wow, okay. So you awake till late last night? Yes. You are watching the Afghans? Of course. What do you think about the team at all? I think Senegal deserved it. They really deserved it. It is a great thing that they have never won Afghans. Yes, they have won for the past 10 years. So even when it comes to politics, most of the people who are in politics, they also love football. I know also most of the politicians who are up to late at night. And I can say for sure that right now, Dinga was supporting the team that I was supporting. Senegal. It was so good. See, they have really struggled. Yeah, they have struggled. And finally, Emengiana. Emengiana? Yeah. Wow, wow. So what do you think of Malala? I like Malala, but I overheard. And they say work without play makes Jack a dull boy. A dull boy. So I had that Senegal won. And congratulations to Senegal. It's a big win for them. Do you know who won the bet? It was Lazyima. It had to be. Where was your bet? Senegal winning or Senegal losing? Personally, I don't place bets, but in my heart I was betting. I was rooting for Senegal. Oh, you were rooting for Senegal? Yeah. We are like you. I am like you. We miss you. Welcome to the club. Somebody chasing an inanimate object around the field. That's how I call it. Some people, they prefer to call it dry skin. Dry skin. Anyway, it is still sports. We thank God for that much. But let's now get into politics. And I want you to engage with us. The hashtag is why in the morning at Ram Maguko and at Y254Channel is where you can be able to find us and show that you let us know where you're watching us from and give us your thoughts about the political topics that we have in store for you. First things first, let's talk about the Kenya-Kwanzaa Alliance. They claim yesterday that President Uru Kenyatta is scheming to willpower behind the scenes by imposing Honorable Rayela Odinga on Kenyans in the coming general elections. And according to what Uru says, it says that Uru aims to keep staying in power and they term Honorable Rayela Odinga as a state project. Let me start with you. You are in Jubilee. Yes. What would be your response to such claims? Honestly, Ram, I think it's very absurd. It's very absurd to say that President Uru Kenyatta wants to stay in power by pushing Rayela Odinga to be the president. If you can remember, Rayela Odinga even actually started vying way before Uru Kenyatta even thought of ever becoming the president of this country. So it's very absurd to see that and to hear some people say that Rayela Odinga is being pushed to be the president by Uru Kenyatta. Rayela Odinga has been running for president since 1997. So I don't know. But I don't believe it. It can't be. Honorable Moussela Mudavadi said this, and I quote, Uru plans to remain in power behind the scenes. He is the patron of Azimuola, of Azimuola Omoja, and the chairman, and he is fronting Rayela Odinga as president. He wants to choose the vice president for Rayela so that he remains in command. End of quote. Kirago, your thoughts? Ram, I think it's kind of a reflection. And the future is made by things that we don't discuss. And we must discuss things as they are. We have seen the president, we saw the president make the handshake with the right honorable Rayela Odinga. And for the past three years, we have seen Rayela Odinga enjoying the state resources and state machinery. And the deputy president was left fighting the government and fighting the government that he was elected with. And this is something that is unusual, that only occurs in only dysfunctional societies. So we can't ignore the fact that Rayela is enjoying state resources in the government of Kenya. So when you see, we saw the other day that Uhuru Kenyatta and Rayela Odinga had sponsored the BBI amendment, which unfortunately was declared null and void. And in the BBI, we saw some formations and creation of some officers. We had the prime minister, deputy prime ministers. And from my perspective and from where I sit, I saw this as a president who doesn't want to let go of power or a president that wants to keep cooling the strings even if he's away from government. So we can't ignore from the fact that Uhuru and Rayela are behind a hidden motive and he has left. You believe there, and this motive that people keep talking about here, what exactly are we talking about here? Can't 2022, August 9th, Uhuru will not obviously be in power. Will he? No, he won't. It is a fact that he will leave his seat for somebody else unless there is something, another conversation that is taking place here, Kirago. I mean, look at the media. We saw the other day, every time that the president talks, he keeps on saying that we cannot elect a thief. And those things, those words are directed to one and the one and only the deputy president of the public of Kenya. So there's some kind of detachment between the president and the deputy president. And it's seemingly clear that the president is supporting Rayela Odinga for president. And he has left us, those who supported him in 2013, those of us who supported him in 2017, I remember very well in 2018, he stood up and said, Yangu kumi, yaru to kumi. So he has left the entire electorate in a dilemma. So the only thing that we can do in a dilemma, we just fall into assumptions. And those assumptions are the ones that we are saying that Uhuru Kenyatta is going to support Rayela Odinga in 2022. Ram, allow me to interject because it's very funny that out of all those people who are going for presidential seat, it's only when we say, when we talk about a thief, they even know, even them in order, they know that we are referring to a certain person. Why is it that Motua is not being referred as a thief? We didn't mention anybody's name. But when we say, and it's true, I would also join the president in saying that power should not be left to a thief. Because we have made gains as a country. A lot of them, if you're going to go down that lane and elect somebody who doesn't care about the posterities to come, then there's no need of all these developments that we have right now. Okay, speaking of developments, still the deputy president, William Brutus, said this, and I quote, we are not fools. All we are saying is that the issues of Kenyans are more important than anything else. We want to fix issues to do with the hustlers. We shall put aside 100 billion Kenya shillings for the housing and manufacturing sector. Because of that. Ram, I would like to comment on the same. Because the deputy president has been the deputy president of Kenya for, this is, I think, the tenth year. And he has been in the government. Right now, as we speak, he has made promises that goes over to the region. And as he said earlier, we are going to give 100 billion to this. He goes to another place. He has made those pledges. He is supporting hustlers. He is supporting hustlers. But, you see, the best way to support hustlers is where he sits at the Ibeq. He could have made those changes nine years ago. Where is it now that, sign your major, the hustlers in the country? Well, I think Ram, all there is is on the ball, on 2022. And as we head to the 2022 general elections, we must think twice as an electorate. At the moment, the economy is already down on its knees. We need a person who is going to get us out of this economic debt that we are in. You see, we have an obsession to foreign debt. We need to first tame the borrowing, the foreign borrowing. We need to revamp our economy and build the economy from scratch to up. And what William Ruto has brought into the table. He has brought in a bottom-up economic model, a bottom-up economic model that is going to bring up people from the Masinani upward. But a hundred billion. Is it achievable? Is it possible economically speaking? It is achievable. The government has money. You remember, the last year we had a budget of around 6 trillion. So I think the money is available. The only thing that should be in place is how we are going to use that money. Look on the other side of Rayla. You promised us 6,000 Kenyan shillings. I mean, how do you give every Kenyan 6,000 Kenyan shillings? Yes, it can roll out for maybe a few months. But how about the sustainability? Will it go for even a year without the country running out of money? So we must need a person with a plan. So you say the hundred billion Kenyan shillings to be used for housing and manufacturing is sustainable. It is available. And that's not a thing with him. You remember the Uhuru Kenyatta has... Look at the availability. Sustainability. It is sustainable. Remember, Uhuru Kenyatta had the big four agenda. We had the housing and manufacturing in place. So I think Ruto, what he's trying to do in that sector of housing and manufacturing, he just wants to move to progress the work that has already been done by Uhuru Kenyatta, which is commendable. We must give credit to it. Uhuru Kenyatta has done his work. It is time now for his deputy to take part and continue with the work. Honorable Willem Ruto said, and I quote, we shall empower everyone so that we eliminate poverty and ensure every citizen is off the poverty line. This year, we shall vote to end poverty. That is his main agenda. It's a spoiler thing. It's funny. It's funny Ram. You see, to be honest, let us have this honest conversation and Kirago will agree with me that President Uhuru Kenyatta has done a lot of work. I have. Now, the Jubilee government has done a lot of work with Uhuru, with Willem Ruto included. So Kirago, so in which party is Willem Ruto in? Is it in Uda or is it in Jubilee? Because I can't get it. I mean, we elected both leaders both on a Jubilee ticket. And in 2022, we must understand the political realignment and fix it. So it's not something new. Okay. But the point is? My point is, Kirago says that deputy president has done a lot of work. I wonder which is this work he has been doing over in, well, he is cruising all over Mount Kenya in choppers, giving out wheelbarrows. You see, Ram, to say the truth is Willem Ruto has been in campaign trails since he was elected deputy president. So he can't take credit. Actually, he goes everywhere he goes. He says, he government is Jaffania is Jaffania. Then when it is convenient for him, he is a man of double-speak. I even wonder, how are you guys running that party? But he's still promising Kenyans what they need. He's talking to the youth, the hustlers that keep on struggling each and every day to get money. And they're listening. Remember, it's the same youths. He promised one million jobs. He promised them Camarine stadium. It's the same youths together with Uhuru Kenyatta. I think, Ram, we have elected the Jubilee government for two terms in 2013 and in 2017. On the part of 2013, it went really well. When it came to 2017 and 2018, Uhuru Kenyatta did the handshake with Raila Odinga. Before then, he was the opposition leader of Kenya. Now he took that position of the deputy president of Kenya. And it can be seen, it's evident. William Ruto has no place in the Jubilee government. You've seen in the state projects, even we saw Raila Odinga the other day launching a state project in western Kenya. So we've seen Ruto has been taken away. The power has been taken away. He's not a deputy president anymore. He's a deputy president by virtue of the seat, but not with the power that he needed to... How do you say he's not a deputy president anymore? I mean, look at the powers. He's not a deputy president. He has no power. He's not invited to state projects in Kenya. We only see Raila and Uhuru Kenyatta. I mean, you can see the push away between the Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto. And that's what you're saying. We elected Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto on a Jubilee ticket. And they formed a government. And that government has been carrying out its mandate to bring development to the people of Kenya. And we must give credit to its due. Why Uhuru Kenyatta has done infrastructure. William Ruto is included. Where Uhuru Kenyatta has built roads. William Ruto is included. Where Uhuru Kenyatta has opened water projects. William Ruto is included. It's a Jubilee government. Okay. Now, before you respond, in order to quote Honorable Musala Mudavadi, he said this, I have stood with Raila for many years. I'm tired now. I'm very tired to continue supporting Raila, to show that I am tired. There is only one way to show it. On August 9th, I want us all to come and vote against any person who does not have the Kenyatta Kwanzaa ticket. I won't fast forward to respond to Kirago because I feel that him, the Deputy President, is taking advantage of the work that is being done by the President. And I will say this in totality that there is no work that can be done by a person who has been in campaign trails for over nine years. There is no work that can be done. And the President said it very clearly. Let us hold all this siasa. Let us join hands and work for Kenyans. He even had the handshake that there is so much road so that we could have peace so that those Mamamboga can continue doing their work at the city market. Because you can't remember this country sometime back we didn't have the quietness that could favor businesses. So I really wonder why if people coming together in search for peace, why would it bother someone so much unless they are benefiting from those chaos? And that is the Deputy President. Why would he... But to claim that that evidence is quite malicious. But the truth is there. There is so much road in the handshake that to claim that without evidence is malicious. I mean, Ram, we have a very good and honest President whom we respect too much. He is the President of Kenya. His Excellency Huru Kenyatta. And I remember also in 2017 he came out and said that he meant that he has sent Ruto out to talk to the people of Kenya to ensure that state projects are well done. And him, he is accusing William Ruto of campaign trails for the last three years. What have we been doing? It has been BBI, BBI, constitutional amendments. When people are dying of hunger in Tokana we are bringing BBI proposals to the table. When people are dying of healthcare we are bringing BBI proposals to the table. BBI proposals were of not much need to the people of Kenya. I mean, these are things that can come later. Constitutional amendments can come later. We must first look at the livelihood of Kenyans and ensure everyone has food at the table. All right. I want us to move to the next, to the other question that I had asked you earlier about what Mudavadi said, that this time round we are voting and he said that he has stood with the Rai'ila for so many years. He is now tired and busy in the coming election. He wants Kenyans to vote against anyone who does not have the Kenyan Kwanzaa ticket. Personally, you know, what Musalia says, and as the party leader of ANC, I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for him. But I really wonder even why Kenyans know Musaliam Davadi because he has never worked for anything in his life, politically. He has been a minister. He has been a vice president. He has worked in so many positions, politically. I have a reason why I am saying this because Musaliam Davadi, how did he come to the limelight politically because his father died so that people felt the need with all that remorse. I would say Musaliam Davadi as a person has not done anything in this country. Politically? For himself? What do you mean by politically? What do you mean by politically? Ram, I will tell you, because I feel that Musaliam Davadi is a product of being given things. Actually, things being given out to him. And this is why he was hoping that the president would support him. Remember the other day, he was with the president at Mombasa? But when it became very apparent, clear that even with the ticket, Davadi could not win. Because for himself, he won his poor ground mobilizer to say the truth. And I think the biggest rallies that they have held is with the deputy president. So they are riding with his wave. To say the truth, I would like to say that probably there is not so much we can take from so much weight we can take from Musaliam Davadi. I would like you to know that he has been vice president. He has been minister of finance. Both things were, he was appointed. I think he has something personal with Musaliam Davadi. I think he has something personal with Musaliam Davadi. I have nothing personal. From the word go, I said that I respect him as a party leader. Because that was a nice move. Where do you say he has nothing to offer? You see, sometimes even luck, it goes to somebody who has nothing to offer. I mean, when you look at the history, Musaliam Davadi, I think he is a man who has toiled so hard for this country. He was once the finance minister of Kenya in 1995. At a time when the Kenya's economy was already down on its knees, the man who was mandated to pull out that economy out of danger. And he has been vice president of the Republic of Kenya. I know the work of the vice president. He is under the president and you know the work of the president. The vice president is to ensure that projects are done well under the leadership of the president. And at the moment, we can't also ignore that Musaliam Davadi is the leader of ANC party. ANC party, a party that has members both in the county assemblies, in the national assembly, in the senate. And I think he is a man not to ignore. And looking at the future of Kenya, we saw the other day Musaliam Davadi joined hands with William Ruto. And I predicted that because I mean, they have some kind of magnetic control of their ideologies. They keep talking about the economy. We had Musaliam Davadi saying Uchumi Bora.  He does away with the ballooning debt crisis in Kenya. When you look at the other hand of William Ruto, he has the bottom-up economic model. And I think when they join hands, they have a future for Kenya. And what is at the table is how fair will be the power sharing deal be. That should be the question. Because will Musaliam Davadi accept to be William Ruto's deputy president? Will Musaliam Davadi accept to be William Ruto's minister? Or rather, will William Ruto accept to be Musaliam Davadi's deputy president? I think that's where the question should be. How fair will be the power sharing deal be? Ram, I would like to interject. I didn't want to stop his flow because I could see how he was going. But allow me to remind him that when Musaliam Davadi was the minister for finance he didn't do anything for this country. Actually, that was when we had the biggest, the mega scandal corruption, the biggest corruption scandal ever. The Golden Bug. You remember that? You remember that? Exactly. So when he became the vice president he couldn't even stay for over four months. Musaliam Davadi is the shortest serving vice president. So when I say that personally I don't take Musaliam Davadi seriously it's because it's true. Remember, when he joined hands with William Ruto, right now, how many members of parliament, he has only 13. Who? Musaliam Davadi. He has only 13 members. Do you know how many are remaining? Let me ask you a question. Do you know even getting one member of parliament into parliament with a particular party ticket is hard? I know it's hard. He has worked. Now you have 13. He has 13. Let's just even five. Seven have already arrived. And I'm even predicting that the others are on their way because they feel that what Musaliam Davadi is doing is not a representation of what the party stands for. Are you predicting that ANC will not have any representation in parliament come 2022? Yes. I mean let me get this clear. Say it in your own words. What are you saying? Are you saying that in come 2022 ANC party will not have any representation either in the senate or the national assembly? Ram, I'm saying what Musaliam Davadi took to William Ruto as ANC it was a shell. Answer the question. It's a bust without people. Answer the question. You said yes. I'll tell you the truth. Because ANC its stronghold is in western and if if Musaliam Davadi sticks to the deputy president of Kenya William Ruto it will be hard for him to get members of parliament. Are you saying that if Honorable Musaliam Davadi sticks with D.P. William Ruto he will not have any representation in parliament, national assembly and the senate? Yes. I mean these guys in Jubilee are kind of what we call from the Bible prophet of doom. They say that the Haslan nation would lose in Kiamba. The Haslan nation took by election and now they are saying that Mudavadi won't even have an M.C.A incumbent M.C.A in the 2022 government. Not just M.C.A. M.C.A. MP senator anyone who is having the ANC party ticket will not be in parliament. Especially from western. I mean in politics. I will call you what if we have people getting into parliament? What if that happens? Ram, I am telling you it will be hard. I mean, in politics there are no impossibilities but it will be hard for ANC very hard for them to get representation especially from the stronghold. I mean, I think his argument is based on the realignments in the ANC. We saw the deputy ANC leader left the ANC party and we are in 2022 we have reached the home stretch of the 2022 electoral period so and it's a perennial thing we must be aware of the realignments within the political misfits and you see coalitions never go coalitions in Kenya never finish even one political cycle not even one coalition or alliance have ever finished one political cycle we had NACK Kenya, we had PNU now we had Jubilee that is Aramshaku house we must agree that coalitions never finish one cycle we had NASA who didn't even clincher a seat the presidential bid so we must be aware that we must be aware of the realignments ahead of the 2022 you remember politics about interest so when you see a leader moving, shifting from this political allegiance to this one there's something he or she is doing so we go from Jubilee to UDA let me quote Honourable Moses Utangula speaking of coalitions and debts and you mentioned debts and you said that he has a problem with the Koto Secretary General Francis Atwali that he's accusing him of buying members of parliament to join to join Raila Odinga in Azimio and he said that voters cannot be bought and he said this and I quote General Raila that he has our debt but we want to remind him that the Luyan Nation is not interested in the debt anymore your response to that I mean first I think we must ignore the comments or by the actions of Atwali, Atwali is not a politician he should not concentrate on politics instead he should be concentrating on things to do with workers the pay cuts and everything and I think in politics you must if someone has done you well in return you must do something well but now you've seen the climate has changed we see Hurukinata promise but now the story has changed Hurukinata promise but now you've seen it has changed now they're talking about the debts they no longer want it it's paid according to Honourable Moses Wetangula they no longer need it they are okay the way they are and the Luyan Nation is not going to rally behind Raila Odenga yeah that's it I think Wetangula as a leader from the Luyan Nation he is quite optimistic about the future of Kenya now that in the hands of William Ruto they no longer need the debt they believe that they're going to move forward with Deputy President on board your response but I'll just like to probably brush it off and say that Moses Wetangula I don't know what the value he is bringing to Kenya Kwanzaa for sure he's losing his grip in Bungoma he's losing his grip in Transohia right now Judge Natambia cannot organize better meetings in Transohia than Wetangula but all the same since he is the party leader of Fort Kenya I don't think that Raila owes them any debt because the debt that he purports he never wanted paid because even when those people supported Raila Odenga they did it wholeheartedly I can't remember when Sadia was on the ballot could have been told that probably he has more votes to bring on the table Raila Odenga got more votes in western than Musalim Dawadi when he was the presidential candidate so this debt that Wetangula purports I don't know exactly when Raila Odenga said that support me and I'll support you back he never said that there is a particular theory that is being started by Senator Cleofas Malala and he is saying that Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM party what are your thoughts? I don't know let me say that as you have seen most of the meetings that have been done for Azimuyola Umoja even ODM are coming in as partners as partners so whatever he says Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM in fact we are bringing in Raila Odenga as a brand himself ODM are coming in to partner with the ODM and all the other parties that we want to foster peace Senator Malala is saying this I want to state that these parties that are state funded to divide the entire vote and ensure that Raila gets the vote but the Luya vote has never been united I think I will start it off from where you said that the Luya vote has never been united and that is true but looking at the things the way things are at the moment they are united and moving forward they have great things ahead of them and as Malala has said about Azimuyola Umoja being an extension of ODM it's true I won't talk about the state funded but I think Azimuyola Umoja is an extension of ODM who is the leader of Azimuyola Umoja he is Excellency Raila Odenga who is the leader of ODM we also look at the majority of the people in the Azimuyola Umoja they are ODM majority of them and that's why they brought the political amendments bill so that together with the ODM they can make a government come 2022 which I don't see it coming and I think another party is going to make the government come 2022 Azimuyola Umoja probably won't take the seats but I think that by stating that Raila Odenga is a state project he by the root of brigade stating that Raila Odenga is a state project might affect his particular run for presidency that actually Maraila Odenga's campaigns and at the end of the day the votes that he will get might be affected but he is being termed as a state project I think as I said earlier at the moment we are in a political dilemma and the only thing that we can do in a political dilemma is only work with assumptions and assumptions are very close to reality since we see Raila Odenga being endorsed by the president and he is also enjoying state resources and also state machinery and we can't ignore the fact that he is enjoying a good massive support from the government of Kenya and also the president Uhuru Kenyatta and looking at the things the way they are if I give if I tell you about the history in 2022 the then president Daniel Toretich Moi when he was doing away with his term he said the only person that I want to let this country is Uhuru Kenyatta at the moment Uhuru Kenyatta was not even known in Kiambu County where he comes from so he was endorsed by the incumbent president then Daniel Arap Moi but he lost this is because Raila on the other side said Kibaki Tosha and I think this is going to be reflected in 2022 the president is going to endorse Raila Odenga but on the other side the electorate will support Ruto because he has been left as an orphan as a political orphan okay he is going to get the sympathy votes sympathy votes who will get the sympathy votes Ruto he is also going to get the sympathy votes do you agree with him and will this third project affect Raila Odenga it's very good that he has confirmed they know that they have nothing to show to Kenyans I'll say this Ram you see when they state that Raila Odenga is a state project it's because his his bid has factors and people can see the reasons why Raila Odenga wants to be the president on the other hand there is a man who can't actually show anything so they have to come up with propaganda and start stating that Raila Odenga is a state project I said it from the word go if Raila Odenga was a state project because it's funny he has been vying for president since 1997 so can we say that Raila Odenga has been a state project for all those years and the only thing here and this is why the president is backing Raila Odenga is because we in Jubilee we in Jubilee and the president is our party leader we believe in fostering peace in this country we believe in sharing the shared prosperity in this country on the other hand I don't know what you stand for but for us we have very clear goals we want the resources of this country to be shared equally we don't want a person in Raila which has almost 5,000 people 500,000 people whereby the students there they are getting a little bit in terms of the battery amount that they are getting it's very small yet there is another person somewhere else because what happens is that we have 100 million for each constituency we are just saying that in the BBI like we had prosperity where Kirago stands the same chance with Ram do you agree with that? I think my brother has said that I am in UDA I am not in UDA party and also he has talked about peace and prosperity I think Kenyans are very peaceful people and as leaders we must be in the frontline to ensure that is peace, cohesion and tranquility in Kenya and that has been a frontline mandate to ensure that Kenyans are peaceful they enjoy their rights peacefully without interference from any form of government or rather that party but there is something that he said Raila Udinga has been vying for presidency since there 1990s 1992 1997 till now he has been a state project all these years I didn't say he has been a state project for all those years he has been a state project since 2017 Raila Udinga has been an opposition leader for the last 10 years I think in 2002 he was in the side of government when he said Kibaki Tosha but when he came to 2007 opposition leader 2013 opposition leader now he is in government I don't know what he wants to do with the presidential seat come next year I don't know what he wants to do he wants to end corruption he wants to stop poverty he wants to take the economy to the next level I mean if he wants to end corruption he should come up with an outlined agenda of how he is going to deal with corruption if he wants to revamp the economy he comes out with outlined agenda of how he is going to revamp the economy like what William Ruto has done so is it wrong if the president rallies his support to Raila Udinga I mean come August 20 we can't deny that the president of Kenya is also a citizen of Kenya and he enjoys his Bill of Rights he enjoys freedom of expression and he also has the right to support anyone he feels like if he wants to support Raila Udinga but remember about what he promised Kenyans the electorate the millions of Kenyans that came out that came out and voted for him and William Ruto he said we should do away with these politics of the seat politics of Betrayo and focus on progressive politics I'll say this because he has talked about politics of Betrayo and probably that Raila Udinga should come up with a better way of dealing with corruption and I'll tell you that we actually came up with those ways because in this country once you have a corruption case you go to court you bribe people but we had very clear guidance on how we are going to deal with corruption and actually it was in the BBI this one that you wrote so much you hate it so much yet it was the only document because we had to document some of these issues we have to document some of these procedures so that you don't say you don't get roof holes to evade justice we had clear timelines when that if you are caught today you are you have a corruption case there is a timeline that case should end by here and it's the only way because we have so many of these cases dragging up to now right now the NYS suspects are still in the court are we ever going to recover the money we lost so you are saying your point is that it's not exactly I'm trying to get what you're driving I'm saying because we talked about Raido Dinga should come up with a plan and I'm telling him that there was a plan there was a plan and our plan was very straightforward but your presidential candidate he never talks about how he is going to fight corruption and probably it's because the people who are surrounding him most of them they are in court with corruption cases Ram what I would like to say about corruption is that you have to deal with corruption one you require political display and you must also be practice healthy politics and corruption is not all about the millions of Kenyans that you see on newspapers being stolen each and every day the billions of state projects that are being stolen I mean corruption starts with us as the common monarchy corruption has been reframed as a form of gift giving or a form of social reprocity in that if I give you something you must give me something in return and it begins with the common monarchy look at when you get out there to tell the when you are the policeman it tells you let Achaiki Doggo even without any mistake that you have done corruption starts with a grassroots level and it needs political display healthy politics and a discourse that is going to take this country forward we have Musalem Udavadi he has talked about how he is going to do away with corruption we have William Ruto who has brought up the bottom up economic model so that we do away with these people cattle that are in between government that are hindering the state resources to reach to the common monarchy and that's what you are talking about the focus is moving this country forward progressing this country that we love the Kenyan country now I want us to find a touch on this particular area of course that conversion cannot end today the corruption one cannot I want us to touch on the issue of youth agenda who has the interest of the youth at heart here and how can we stop this notion of buying votes of giving handouts who has the interest of the youth at heart Faris? Thank you so much for that question because I was wondering when that question would come because I really wanted to point out some issues that we in Jubilee we are supporting as the presidential candidate and it's because we have actually sat with him down sitting with him down and agreeing on one, two, three issues for example we had a sitting here just here at the UN towers we wanted to meet him as youth he listened to our grievances we told him that in your cabinet president has been gracious enough to give us some appointments but we wanted more because also as youth we make up the biggest percentage of voters in this country we make up the biggest percentage of population in this country so we told him wanted more and he agreed in his response he gave us four css he told us I will make sure that in my government we have four css we will have pss also he has had all these sittings in Kiambu we have had a sit down with him just Kiambu youth we told him that our issue mainly is the drug abuse he told us there are many ways that are put in place for us how we can be helped to deal with those issues now on the other hand we are dealing with William Ruto who is promising people money he says that they are not handouts but in real sense those are handouts he is running a 6000 thing not handouts I want to explain that because Kirago made a very big mistake he misinterpreted the whole thing they give it out of proportion and it's only fair that I explain that Erillo Dinger is not saying that for every person we receive 6000 it doesn't work like that this is a social protection program which we are calling Baba Kea whereby we are vulnerable families you know Ram there are people in this country who are sleeping hungry today there are people who can't get clean water today as we speak in this country so those are the people who will be legible to get that 6000 it's not everybody and that is very well sustainable because we have been having the money being given for the old people Ram I am glad that you said that there is a spirit of water buying in Kenya and especially in local politics and I must say as a young man it's quite it has been quite a journey for me and campaigning in my villages and I must tell the leaders that have been elected they have set a bad precedence to us as young leaders because it's very hard for a young person like me who has visionary policies to progress the people of Kipipiri to campaign in Kipipiri without a financial muscle without the financial muscle you are not even respected people won't even listen to you but when it comes to who has the youth at heart we have William Ruto who has given us the bottom up economic model and what is entailed the bottom up economic model to these millions of young people in Kenya that are jobless they don't have money in their pockets they have gone to schools they have certificates but they are still at home hustling we give them money to start up businesses at the local level be it Mamamboga be it Kijana not handouts not handouts it's a program that is seen over by the government start up businesses so that they can grow from bottom to up when you look at Rila's thing he has talked about the 6,000 and when you look at the precepts of economics incentives do work incentives do work in a bad economy and it's a good policy but what you are asking and what you are questioning is how is it going to be sustainable that is a question how is everything actually going to be sustainable whether it is on Rila's side or Ruto's side or anybody's side sustainability we have different presidential candidates that are coming up with different economic plans different models the question is are you reading in between to see who is going to have your best interest at heart gentlemen that brings us to the end of today's conversation we don't have time but we will have to continue another day the youth agenda issue we are the youth agenda issue we need a person that is going to progress us as young people we need to have that conversation we need to have that conversation but that was just the end of this particular morning conversation on youth and politics we still have a lot in store for you right here on 1 in the morning coming up next after this particular short break my name is Ram Maguka big thank you to Kirago and Faris thank you so much gentlemen for joining me today thank you so much I wish you guys both the best in the plans that you are having from home thank you so much for being part of this particular conversation keep talking to us the hashtag is why in the morning we are taking a short break we'll be back in a bit this is why 254 my name is Ram Maguka see you again