Welcome to Church of the Chair, where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host, D, here today with my co-host, Chad Lutsky. And we are working on a collaborative novel. Today, I don't know what the game plan is, because I was rambling off about this new book. Well, not new book, but this book I just finished. So how you wanna handle today, Chad? I don't care. You can share your screen, I'll share mine, doesn't matter. I'm just gonna do the same thing I was doing yesterday and just start going over while maybe you were adding stuff, but whatever. Gotcha. Doesn't matter. I'm probably gonna go back and read from the beginning all the way down to where I stopped and kind of get back into it because I'm working on another project at the moment too. So I literally have to come back in here and remind myself what we're doing every single morning. Like close off my day right in the other project. Okay. So that's what I'll do. I will, just to get everybody caught up to where we're at, I will share my screen to begin with at least as I'm reading through what's going on. I might read some stuff out loud.  But yeah, I'm just, I'm gonna go through. I know you're still working on it. You're gonna be working on it as we're going along. But I will at least get some of this. Sorry, hang on a second. I didn't know, I didn't know he was in here. It's a fair, I, I want to boop the snoop. I wanna boop the snoop. Started hearing something crawling around on the floor. I'm like, what the? I'm glad we're not writing a horror story. There's something crawling around my feet. Farot friend. Yeah, thank you for giving me the chance to boop the snoop, Chad, before you left. I had to boop the snoop. Anyways, is that a Shector behind you? The purple guitar? Yeah. I thought I recognized the body style on the headstock. Yeah, just got it toward the end of last year. That's a nice one. I had never even played one until, I think my son brought one over here and I was like, this ain't bad. So I priced them and I bought one. Yeah, Shector's been, they were, for the longest time, their whole deal was we make the cheapest seven strings and eight strings and all that stuff. The extra string guitars. And when they first came out, their pickups were trash, but that changed very quickly. I was impressed. It was like nine, maybe 10 months after their first line popped out, they switched pickups and came back. They got a deal with the Dephtones, I believe, and one other big group. And the quality over at Shector just went through the roof. Thanks, Viking. Yeah. I love this shirt. You got the gorgeous color too.  I like that. I like the inlays too, the birds. Reminds me of a PRS. It does, it looks like a PRS. Now that I see it up close, kind of similar. That's very nice. I'm super jealous. None of my guitars that I have now cost over like $200. I got a VC rich knockoff, warlock knockoff. It's kind of like a knockoff of a knockoff because it's LTD, which is ESP's cheaper version, but it's the body style of a warlock.  I also have an Hi-Van-Ez G something that I paid like 50 bucks for at a pawn shop. If I cleaned it up, probably be at most like $100 guitar. I think they were 300 when they first came out. The most expensive guitar I have is my acoustic, which is a Martin. And that's not the nowhere near the most expensive one I've ever bought. I've got a Jackson Kelly when I was right after, right out of high school. I saved up $800. And I got the Marty Freeman version of the Jackson Kelly.   Oh yeah, yeah. It's funny because I don't even play metal anymore.   And I'm just doing my own stuff. I have a folk cover of the Ramones Pet Cemetery that I've been working on for probably six, seven years, ever since I started the YouTube channel because I've been specifically working on it for the channel. I wanted to use it as maybe an outro or something for my videos. All that kind of fell through, but I can't, I have a problem with D, what is it, D minor? The, it's the way my fingers don't work like that. Like I have no problem with power chords, A's, E's, C's, G's, none of that stuff bothers me. But a D minor, and the opening chord of that is D minor. And I'm self taught, so I don't know how to rearrange it to use another scale, to use another note in the same format, you know, kind of deal? Or stay in the same, or do it in a different key is what I was looking for. But it's, I love it, but I also can't play and sing at the same time. And I don't like, I sing better while I have my guitar. So if I record one, and then I record the vocals, the vocals to me aren't as good as the guitar playing or the vocals are better than guitar playing. It just doesn't seem to match up unless I actually play it together. And I have a problem playing that D, my brain freezes right when I have to go to the D minor, because I have to think about where I put my fingers unlike any other chord.  And you guys, I guess I could just do a power chord, but then my- Yeah, you could do that. It just doesn't sound good on a, I don't think power chords sound good on acoustic, unless it's like the full bar all the way across. Anyways, but I could probably do it if I paid more attention to it. But yeah, I've been working on that song for like six, seven years, and it's ridiculous why I have not figured it out yet. All right, let's see here. Cher, Cher, Sprina Nation, Planet Caravan. All right, let's go back. No, I'm not supposed to be on Discord. Okay. All right, folks.  Just to get back into the feel of it. The gravel in my hands feels like teeth, not loose from I'm kicked in the face. But she has a good size mold, I'll pitch it toward her. And I've already used to keep her jewelry in before she sold it.  Actually, I probably won't read it out loud completely because it'll take me, this entire stream to, if I stumble on anything, I'll probably read that out loud. Okay. Hell yeah.  They are fighting them tooth and nail to keep the books where they're supposed to be. Because there's people here that want either books removed or held behind the counter. So they put it behind the counter until a vote. And as a Spratville library board returns books to shelves, declines to move others.  Keep them books out there, brothers, sisters. Keep them out there. Thank you very much, Jayrod. Appreciate the support. Ooh. Perfect. Hey, Vamp, how you doing? Long days and pleasant nights, century. How are you doing? Did you get through it? Almost. I'm almost aware I was yesterday. No, I meant reading. Did you go back up and read? Yeah, I did. I'm through all the stuff that you've changed. Okay. So the point that our paths diverged. Okay. Yeah, now I'm just waiting for you to see how you blend, if you blend anything that I had there at the end of that chapter. Okay. Yeah, I did stop when I need to go back through that. I also don't want to go too much farther in the next chapter until you sign off on, or tell me you want to change what I set up for the, how you got the Coke. All right, maybe I should read ahead without, without changing anything just to see what we're at. I know I'm going to have to change stuff like the chips and whatnot. I think I have other mentions to the chips. I know that we're supposed to be ramen. Actually, while you're doing that, I'm going to go ahead and take a break while I got a second to get up and walk around. And then I come back, we can talk about where we're at. All right, I will share my screen then. Okay, let me, let me remove this one, stop sharing, there we go. All right, I'll be back. Century, all is well, that's good. That's good, I'm glad you're doing well. I'll be back in about five, 10 minutes, guys. I think you've got a, okay. Well, I guess I won't be able to share my screen then, because I can't put it up there on my own. I need to prohibition, so we won't share my screen then. Okay, you got a little bit wrong. Yeah, but I was a little bit wrong the one time, because everybody tried that.  It might sound like it, but it's not. I still have the garden, and I still don't. And I had that kind of experience. I started reading like a full five page thing that she wrote about me over the span of nine months, because there was just nothing else like it. And I think she read that for a really long time. In my head, if we weren't consistently equally feeling the same things the whole time we did, then I would not, I thought, in my head, I thought that she was going on some rampage, smash it every new, but she only slept with one guy and I only slept with one girl, so it's like, I don't really care. I get that, but over time, I didn't even want to show you if she was there or not, but I knew it. I would stand up, and then I would go on the floor, and then I would leave, and that's how it went. Thanks for hanging out, everybody. I hope that you got your own thing you're working on too, or that you're finding this, even just a little bit encouraging to get some words in, if writing is your thing. Couldn't share my screen, because I tried to get your attention, but. Oh, sorry. My bad. What happened with the screen? You have to give permission or you have to put it up there, I think. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. Okay, well, if you want to throw it up now, that's fine. Hey, Alec. Hey. W-R-V? Three, 41. I'm glad you're doing well, Alec. How about that, I sure did. What happened to my window? What the heck? Scooby-dooby-dooby. I'm doing fantastic now. I'm finally starting to wake up. It was a long morning. Once again, I'm glad I got my biological clock on schedule, because I woke up at 741.  I woke up at 741. I was like, uh. I wanted to ask you before I forgot. Earlier, you were talking about that book. Yeah. That you liked. Tiger's Wife Review will be up this week, guys. I was just wondering if you have ever read this. This was my biological father's favorite book of all time, and I haven't read it. Aztec? No, I haven't. It's pretty big. Yeah. Yeah. He read lots of horror. He was a big King fan, big Barker fan. Loved all the splatter punk stuff, too. Like the drive-in and things like that. But this was his favorite book of all time. Aztec, Gary Jennings. And I read, I started it, and I think it's one of these things that you've gotta, the beginning of it was one of the worst things that I've ever read in my life at the time. It's been years, but I know I need to tackle it eventually. There is six books in that series, Jed. Yeah, I have some of them, if not all of them. But I think that's the first one. Yeah, it's 100% the first one. But yeah, he loves that big time. But he's turned me on to some stuff that I never would have picked up on my own. Like this book with the worst cover in the world. It's one of my favorite books of all time. Some kind of hero. I've heard of it. Oh my gosh, man. And I just, who was it? Somebody that I know and author, because I mentioned Aztec and I mentioned this in Skull Face Boy. And so they read, they read some kind of hero. Which they turned me into a horrible movie starring Richard Pryor and it's just a, it's a really bad movie. Which would, did they change the name of it? No. I don't, I do not remember. I thought I saw everything that Richard Pryor did. No, this is like, and they tried to throw a little bit of comedy in it. It's just, it's a bad, bad movie. But. Marco Kitter. This is amazing. Amazing book. And then he turned me on to this too. And if you haven't read this, you have to read this. The Painted Bird by Trzikazinski. That's actually on one of my lists. I don't know what lists it's on, but. You would really like this. Man, it is one of the most brutal, if not the most brutal books I've ever read. But a kid who gets taken away from his parents during World War II and stumbles into all kinds of people along the way and it's freaking, the crap that he goes through is, is insane. And it's, yeah, Jersey ended up killing himself. Thinking he hung himself, but damn. Yeah, such a good book. Chad, how many stories did you write before you published or got published? I think four. And I had written four short stories, never wrote a thing for almost two decades. And then wrote a story and then got it published through a kind of like, for the love thing. I think the first few stories I had published were through like, for the love, like, you know, like I did sell them, they just were published. And the first four that I wrote, most of them were not very good. And I had only submitted one to like, it was Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine in the 90s and I got rejected and I just never sent. It wasn't until people started taking submissions electronically that I really started to, I don't know if it was laziness or what, it's just that I don't want to sell all this. I don't want to sell since self-addressed stamped envelopes all the time and stuff. So after I got to a conversation with somebody who had something published and I was like, so they're all taking stuff electronically now? It's like, yeah, I was like, I'm doing this. And I've been doing it ever since. Man, the struggle was real back in the day. I had to buy writer's markets guides just to find people to submit. I bought writer's markets fricking high, back in like 95, something like that. And you know, it was highlighting everything, it was choosing markets to send stuff to. And there was a lot, there was a lot of cool magazines you could submit to with, you know, making some decent money. But the magazines that I have published now are more like books like Mystery, what is that, Mystery Weekly or Sir, it's more like a, it's like a magazine, but it's not like a magazine magazine.  Yeah, I know it's a cover and then Mystery Weekly. Mystery Weekly. Yeah, Robert Tone has one like that. And I can't remember the periodical, whatever you want to call it, that he's got a story in, but I was really taking it back in a good way by the quality of it. I should bring it out here and show it off at some point, but he's got a story in there.  It has the thin, it's almost like a, almost like creep show where it has like the thick paper. Nice. Yeah. It's like that.  So I'll try to remember next time we stream, which is going to be Monday morning, I would think. But yeah, it's really nice.  This is, yeah, Mystery Weekly magazine. Yeah, that's pretty much what this, the one that Rob has something in. Got a story in that one. It's got a really cool, like almost death metal, like cannibal corpse cover to it. Really cool. A question to both of you. Do you have a favorite novel? Yeah. Mine's easy. I don't know about Chad. Mine's it by Stephen King. Yeah. I don't know that I can, I don't know. I don't know that I can answer that.  I am legend as one of them by Richard Matheson. I'm sorry. I can't take that book seriously.  I'm sorry.  And I'm sure it was terrifying back then when, you know, so many people were prudes, but the guy chasing everybody through this haunted house with this giant phallus. I just, I can't do it. It's kind of like Bentley Little's dominion.    This is definitely parody and satire, right? This cannot be serious. But anyways, it's kind of like the problem I have, the only problem I have with American Gods by Neil Gaiman is there's a character in there that eats dudes with her vagina. Then they just gobble some up. She liked that. I find hilarious. I don't find it a bit disturbing. I find it laughable. Have you seen the movie, Teeth? Oh yeah, yeah.  But like the big, I mean, because that's still like, you know, somewhat in the realm of believability for me, but to consume someone through that way or to have a member that big, like that's goofy to me. But something like Vagina Dintata, or however you pronounce it, is it's unsettling.  Like not the control to be able to, but they've found Teeth in new news before. They're making a, this will probably blow your mind then, they're making a musical on the movie, Teeth. I'm not surprised, but I am like, why? I mean, hey, if somebody wants to put the effort in, whatever, but I mean, there's Carrie, the musical, there's Beetlejuice, the musical, there's all the kinds of stuff I never thought would be a musical. Evil Dead. Evil Dead, yeah.  Like she belts like a really high note and it just plunk. See, I can't take, I can't even take that seriously, but I mean, that scene did bother the hell out of me and I don't know why. You can't seriously take it seriously, but your favorite book is about a clown that turns into a spider. Yes, well, it's not a clown that turns into a spider.   It makes me even worse, but yes, they are 11. And that's like one page out of an 1,100 page book, dude. It's a very unforgettable page. But yes, it is, yes it is. And everyone I talk to, that isn't a weirdo, skips it every time they get to it. Same here. It didn't bother me at all. I think I've only read that scene twice. In fact, a copy that I have that I've read the most of, it's literally doggie, that page is doggieered so I can just skip right over it. But in my defense, the clown isn't what bothers me. Like the clown isn't why I like it.  Same with the spider. It's just forms that he's been stuck in because they're so universally scary to people. Except for people like you, have no problem with clowns. But what terrifies me is the way it uses the people's fears. And like the scariest scene for me has no action in it whatsoever. It's literally Ben on the bridge.  And it's just so out of place and Ben of course is scared of the money.  And that scene is so understated. It gets underneath my skin. It's kind of like there's a scene in a night film the same way where it's just one, it's just a main character looking out onto this bridge and there's something on the bridge. And it's not well-defined. It just has, there's bits. I got goosebumps just thinking about it, but it is. But again, night film and it, those are not the reasons why I love those books. It's all about the characters and the story and the mystery of the whole thing. But no, the Pennywise doesn't scare me. None of the movie versions of the clown have really scared me. But it gets the mummy and the giant bird that Mike has to deal with. But both of those are scary to me for whatever reason. Probably because they shouldn't be. And it's just the way he wrote them that actually frightens me. But I don't read it to be frightened. I read it for the camaraderie and the nostalgia and that feeling of togetherness, being outsiders and finding your people and all that. And then the generational trauma theme that's throughout all of that stuff. I've really, yeah, that's the reason. And also it's like the book opens with a king telling his kids not to forget the magic. And I think that's another reason why I like the book is because no matter how many times I read it, there's still that sense of discovery. It took me four years to get through that. I don't doubt it. This book is gratefully dedicated to my children. My mother and my wife taught me how to be a man. My children taught me how to be free. Kids, fiction is the truth inside the lie. And the truth of this fiction is simple enough. The magic exists. I just love that quote. And he spent a almost half a century living that life. They always trying something new, always going with the risk instead of the easy win. Even when he does a sequel to something, it's usually nothing that people expected or even wanted like Dr. Sleep. People wanted more to that book than what it was just to find out that Danny is an alcoholic as an adult. But he was able to beat it. And then you have this whole new character. People wanted to hyper focus on Danny and what happened to him. And that book just turned into something completely different. Did you see the movie?  So you were able to appreciate all the Kubrick stuff that they brought in. Oh hell yeah, definitely. In fact, in my review, I said that the book fixes both the problems with Dr. Sleep, the book that I had, because I only gave it three stars. They were the main characters that never felt like they were in danger. There was never a moment where I was like, I'm worried about you. Abra was so overpowered from the get go that I was like, whatever.  So they're obviously going to win easily. And they did. And then also I said in my review, and it also fixes the issues that I had with Kubrick's film. So he geniusly mashed them together and made this heartfelt, horrifying story and stripped away all the clinical stuff, all the soulless stuff from Kubrick's The Shining, and then fixed all of the overpowered nonsense that was in the book that I didn't like. So one of my favorite scenes in the movie is when Abra meets Rose, the hat in like that dream world, and D Gloves, like she gets her hands stuck in a safe deposit box in the dream world. And I love the nod to Gerald's game. And I also love the fact that I was more worried for Abra in the movie than I ever was in the book. And I'm not sure why, because they were pretty much pretty much the same. But I think I liked the characterization of Abra in the movie more than I liked the characterization in the book.  It's so upsetting to watch this child beg for his life knowing he's not going to make it.  He's like, are you gonna hurt me? And she just leans in and goes, yes.  That's true villain stuff.  And in my memory, I do not remember them saying that in the book. I've watched the movie numerous times, but if they did, King did not drive it home as well as they did in the movie. It's just that lean in and the breathy, yes.  Yeah, you're scary now.  Like Tommy, the C-H word, the Asian slur, the slur for Asians. Tommy, the, I'm not gonna say the word. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.  Probably because he was, you know, no mad and whatnot, and that's how these people speak. But at the same time, having to read that, I certainly didn't wanna hear that over and over again when they were talking to each other. But the true knot for me was never really unique individuals, even though they had unique names, they were never unique individuals and therefore they were never scary to me in the book. In the movie, the character development's fantastic.  In the book, I never got any of those wives, nothing whatsoever.  But in the movie, I was on the edge of my seat, I was like, this is brilliant. It's shot perfectly, everything.  And of course, you read King, you expect that kind of shit, but Flanagan did a fantastic job going back to the overlook. And I liked it more, I liked the shining, Kubrick's the shining more now, because Dr. Sleep exists, because now I'm not mad that the building, the overlook wasn't destroyed because we get to go back there and see him face it, see, let Danny face his demons. I love every minute of that movie. Yeah, it was impressive. I was, I mean, I signed up for the Kubrick stuff because when I saw the trailer, that was all my favorite parts. When Danny went back to the hotel and stuff, I was just giddy, man, revisiting all this. Revisiting the carpet, the bathroom, all this stuff. I was just like, man, yes. And I thought it was genius to do that film and not ignore the huge stamp that Kubrick left behind with his rendition or whatever of the shining would be stupid. So the fact that he was able to grab both camps and make them both happy was the way to do it.  I'm right there with you, man. I don't know why, King, I guess because they're friends. I don't know, but they're making a good movie. Garris seems like a great guy that loves horror, but I don't get it. But to Flanagan, like when I heard that somebody was making a film of Gerald's game, I was like, yeah, good luck, you know?  Oh my gosh.  I was, yeah. I was broke. Yeah, because if there was one Stephen King book that I would be like, you can't make an entertaining movie of this. It would probably be Gerald's game. Yeah. Mike Flanagan kicked open the door. He was like, ha ha, watch me. One of my favorite interviews with him is before Dr. Sleep was even fully in production. He'd written the script. It was gonna be a movie, but it wasn't fully in production. And the poor journalist that asked him this question, I didn't feel bad for them, but it was awkward. It was like one of those awkward situations that you kind of enjoy when the lady asks him, did you feel any nerves or worried about how you were gonna blend these two together and have them both in the Kubrick world of the Shining and Dr. Sleep the book? And Mike Flanagan looked her right in the face and just said, no, not at all. And that was it. That was the end of that question. And she's over there. She's like, okay, moving on. It was like, and obviously he had it all unlocked the entire time. He wasn't a bit worried about it because he figured out how to, which is the genius part of that movie, how to blend both and make both camps happy. And that is one of my favorite interviews with him because he said, no, not at all. She was not prepared for that. She was prepared for him going, of course there's some kind of, that you got the culture stuff and she was expecting some kind of deep answer and you could tell. And he was just like, no, not at all. Like good reading, Mike. Good reading. He's doing Poe, no. Yeah. Follow the House of Bushing. Anywho, I guess we gotta get back to work. Distraction, yeah. It's a terrible, terrible, terrible work ethic we have. We've been doing good. I know, I'm just kidding. Anyway, oh, before we get back to this, did you read what I wrote for the setup for him stealing the Coke? Oh, no, no, no, no. I had that there. I just now was tried to, I had taken some more of the, because I realized that I, without really knowing it, I had essentially rewrote the whole. Yeah, I noticed. I didn't know how you were gonna blend it or not. So I picked some of that and I dropped in there. Things like I'm going to jail, some other stuff like that. I changed a couple of things and pulled some of your stuff in there. And so I was just, no, I was tackling that first because I felt kind of bad that I had just gone in there and ignored everything, essentially. Whatever, it works better, it works better. I also had another idea. Let's say on the way, I'm gonna run this past you before we actually get to the scene, on the way to the carnival, like he's already decided that he's kind of running away is what I'm figuring we're gonna do. And he just ends up coming across Shanna behind the barn outside of this carnival, whatever you're gonna do. What if along the way, he comes across, like he walks by the person because basically what I've had is Travis went to go score a bag on good faith from a dealer. The dealer said, dealer was high and himself and was like, hey, just grab a, whatever man, just grab a bag out of the shed. So Travis goes out there to the shed. This is the story that he tells his family anyways. He goes out to the shed, he finds a brick. So he took the brick instead and then he tells his family he was too high to notice. And when he does, he won't even remember I was there kind of thing is what I was going for. I probably didn't say that, but that's what I was going for. And then I was thinking on the way to running away or whatever, he just happens to pass the guy's name's Cooter, the drug dealer that I had Travis steal from on the way go by there. You must be a big Duke's of Hazard fan because you also mentioned Cletus.  Everyone knows a Cletus, a Bubba, a Cooter. Everyone knows those people in real life here. Hey, Cooter, what's up?  All those names, man. But yeah, so I just threw Cooter in there. I was thinking as Shane is leaving, he could walk by and see a crime scene out in front of Cooter's place. Maybe Travis killed the dude and now Cooter's family is looking for is looking for whoever killed. So they don't know automatically who stole the stuff. So that side be muddled that way. But I don't know if that works as far as, but like the first phone call when he gets there and he talks to Cassidy, he could, Cassidy could tell, well, he could tell Cassidy is like, I think Uncle Travis killed Cooter because there was cops out there, they were rolling the body out and Cooter lives alone, whatever. And then Cassidy would be like, that's good then, right? That means nobody's coming after us and you could have, and then by the next week, you have this feeling like he's left this all behind, like everything's fine at home. He doesn't have to worry about it. But then he gets the call, he calls Cassidy at whatever pay phone we designate. And Cassidy is like, I think someone's found out, Uncle Travis been acting weird, so on and so forth. I think someone's coming after them and they've been talking about going to find you and so on and so forth and build that up, build that tension. I don't know if he thinks that too on the nose to have him walk by the crime scene, but it would also tell us the truth about what happened.   Like he wouldn't realize and now he can't go back home because he has this stuff. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, I misunderstood. Okay. So he's already has the stuff and then he finds out later, oh, this goes far deeper than I thought. Right, exactly. And that could build the tension is what I'm thinking anyways. Once again, not married to anything. I'm just throwing that out there just to give an idea that, you know, even further that Travis has not only stolen from this guy, but he's also lied to his family about how deep they are into it. You know, how scary the situation actually is.  I mean, that's where I was gonna go with it and that probably won't be, what, it's a chapter three until we even tackle that. I'm going down to the notes. Okay. Yeah, Protag doesn't wanna sit around here about all his bright future with the cocaine. So he hits local carnival. Yeah, I mean, he can meet Sheena then and then end up him going back and deciding he's, yeah, and he's taking the cocaine and joining the carnival.  Maybe he passed by it the first time and he's like, that's Cooter's house, no activity.  I'm gonna go ahead and get rid of Uncle Dewitt in the characters list. Okay. You got to add your screen back to that if you wanna, I don't know if you wanna share what you're writing or not. Yeah. I'm actually gonna run and use the restroom. I'll be right back. Okay. Southern sounding names, yeah. We're going for Hick Lit with this one, definitely. Sorry about that. Had to try and pry my 11-year-old out of bed. That boy, love him bed. Love him bed. Let's go see what you're doing. What you've done, dude, did. Still working on Fuzan too. I've separated them now. I'm doing a dumpster scene where he's going to, it's kind of like a plan B because he thinks that he thinks Cassidy didn't get everything he needed. He knows he didn't get the peanut butter but I wanted him to find out later that he actually did get the peanut butter and make some reference. Maybe he's more of an intro that I thought, whatever, but he's did a better job than he thought he did but he's kinda grabbing the pizza as a plan B and he's trying to get it down as soon as he can to hopefully meet him up at the same time. So Cassidy doesn't get in trouble for coming back home with only part of his list. I'm struggling today, man. I really am struggling right now. I don't know why. Sometimes it'd be like that. I think it's, I keep my boys home today. So I was distracted because they were out there talking. Are you one of these people who capitalized Dumpster because it's a brand name? No, I don't think I've ever done that. No, I don't think I've ever had an editor change it either. And I use Dumpsters a lot. So wait a second. Before I go any farther, you're having him grab a pizza, right? Yeah. Yeah, this is, okay, catch it, okay. I'm changing my stuff in the next part because I doubt, I don't know, you may not like it. Maybe double working myself, but that's all right. My thing is, like he took a shortcut. He grabbed this, he flipped a lid of this thing, grabbed a pizza, saw there was another one underneath it, grabbed that, took off running. So if Cassidy gets home before he does, it's only a minute. Yeah, I got you. So if he's, because I just noticed you said sucking broth from a ramen cup. I'm trying to make it work with what you got up there. And if none of it stays and I'm fine with that. So you're talking about cup of ramen.  Well, my point is, there's no way that would have been cooked, is what I'm saying. I got you. But it only takes two minutes. I mean, you could literally, at least the ramen comes, I'm aware of, only take two minutes in the microwave on high.  Well, if it, I know it's only two minutes, but that's if.  He could only fit like one or two in his jacket. Yeah, I know. So. I'm saying like, the only way the Romans would be done, even in a bowl, is if he sprinted home, I got cat, so we'll have to change something because I got Shane, you know, running as fast as you can because he was trying to beat Cassidy home. Gotcha. So. It could be something as, no, yeah, he's trying to beat Cassidy home. I was just thinking it could be somewhere, the pizza parlor is like the opposite direction, like another block or something, but he's still running. I don't know. I mean, I'm not even attached to this whole thing with him. He could just be sitting on the front steps. When I get back, Cassidy is sat on the front steps.  That's what I was saying, because I saw that you had the Cheeto dust or whatever. Yeah. And I thought we would just go with that. Like he got more than he thought that he got, you know, only got the ramen, he got peanut butter, he got chips. We could, 100% we could. And so, yeah, everybody's got the food inside, but he's sitting on the steps covered in, you know, Cheeto dust. Yeah. So yes, two boxes of pizza, I could probably just read it. Yeah, they're in those, I got them in those like bags, but with the cardboard backing. Got you. So that they're greased. It's soaking through the- Yeah, I got you. I'm reading it. I don't usually use the term slow your roll, but since we're talking about Cassidy being a snowball. Yeah, that's cute. I like that. The real one is gonna get that. That's really good. All right, so it's two pizza boxes. I am having to regain an old habit. I used to write, I used to format like this before Bay's in with the spaces between paragraphs. And I stopped doing it because it annoyed one of my editors. And now I'm having to break the habit again in reverse. So I could remember to put the spaces just in the side. I wanted to throw in there. I thought it was funny. Well, hang on, we can- Oh, no, we're fine. We're fine. Don't mess with it. Cause I'm back- Because we can format this, which is what I've been doing lately, and I forgot to. Fine, I usually write it. It doesn't, let me get this out. It doesn't bother me one way or another, but I usually format it the way I want it to look in the book by the end. But yeah, this doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm getting the hang of it again. So the double enter after every line. But that's up to you. If you wanna go back, I'm a switch hitter. I can do either. It's just, I find it funny that, you know, I thought the story was funny. I went through hell trying to break that habit. And now I'm having to redo it again. And it's coming back. But yeah, I'm just not used to it. Okay. Yeah, Jacob Trimbley was the baseball boy. Actually it was, whoo. Yeah, I just wrote something I think I'm gonna take out. It happens, it happens, it happens. It's just a little perverted. I don't, I'm trying to give this guy a backstory. And I thought, we'll make it creepy and I don't know. You went full lawn. You never go full lawn. Guy that owns the car wash. Mr. Franklin gives Cassidy a quarter every time he sees him. Cassidy loves the guy. I think he's got a good heart, has a generous soul. But I'm not so sure. Cassidy doesn't see Mr. Franklin's eyes wander where they shouldn't when he has his back turned. Doesn't notice the subtlety of wandering fingers across his shoulder when he's bringing him in for a side hook during one of his little pep talks about what a good kid he is. Hey, I don't, that's subtly. That's subtle. That's far more subtle than I thought you were talking about since you said you were gonna remove it. I do not mind that. That is, don't hate that. But there is the question, do we need it? Exactly. So- I mean, I like adding those kind of things but this particular one probably don't need it. True, true. But at the same time, this is the kind of thing that we're gonna need to kind of space out the book. The book. So- It also, and one of the main reasons I think maybe I should take it out is because I don't want the reader to ever be like, why would you leave Cassidy back with all this, you know, Mr. Franklin, the, you know. Yeah. It's also superfluous detail since we're never gonna deal with Mr. Franklin again. So on that note, I say go ahead and get rid of it but I do like it. So it might end up getting cut anyways by an editor. Might be something where they point out just basically what I said. If we're never coming back to Mr. Franklin, why do we need this kind of deal?  Well, that was depressing. Sorry. I liked it. But anyways, I fully agree. I fully agree. It was another one of the things killing darling. Killing darling's ain't even mine. I'm over here mourning the loss of them anyways. I think my section is now caught up to your section where we're both on the same page. So we blended in the outline, we blended chapter one and chapter two together. So in chapter two, we can have him getting fed up and leaving and then chapter three would open up with him on the way, on the way to meet Shenneth for the first time is what I'm saying. We're gonna end that with him going home, deciding to take the coke in chapter four. Because if these are four to 5,000 word long chapters, then I mean, that gets us to 20, close to 20,000 words for the opening before he even joins the carnival. Okay. Hey, Hailey. Sorry, I just seen you. We've been working and choked to death on my coffee before the day's over. Did we lose Chad or did he? I'm here, dude. I'm just eating. I'm eating. That's fine. That's fine. I was just wondering if I lost you. No. I just set camera where? I was eating well while I was kissing you.  Right? I'm rude. I feel like you don't even respect me. It's terrible. I know you're gonna cut like three quarters of this, but it's there for you to do what you want with it. I was talking to Shella about this and she goes, so how's it going with Chad? Is he keeping much of your stuff? She's, we've been together 22 years and so she knows I've been through all this before and the last time I did this was literally like less than six months ago where I wrote something for someone and he completely, he didn't use a single word of what I wrote and completely rewrote it from the ground up, but I mean, I already got paid for it and the whole, the whole point was is to have something that he could build off of. And so I told her, it's no different than working with Josh and she said, oh, well, okay, well, that's pretty easy.  But I've always been, and I told her this, I've always been whatever serves the project.   I don't know if I just come off as someone who would get upset about that or most people are the opposite. So I just don't know. I am, that's good because I'm not that kind. I am a control freak. I've noticed, I'm perfectly fine with that. And that's why I can't always write with just anyone. Tim Meyer is one of the most laid back people that you'll ever meet. Great dude, love him. And John Bowden, of course, is too, the difference between the two, John Bowden is, he writes much more poetically than I do. I save that and use it more, the things that he does use it more sparingly than he does. He's not, a lot of his stuff isn't like a, my stuff is like a fast read. It's very, very simple. I think my stuff is like, if you're not even into reading, I think my stuff is more like for the person who, yeah, maybe doesn't enjoy reading that much because I keep, try to keep it really simple where someone like Black and Teeth, which I know you loved, incredible prose, there's no doubt about it. But that's a, I would never be able to write that kind of prose, but I would never want to either. That kind of book is not, is an example of something that you can't just speed through, you know, because there's a lot of depth into, you know, what's being written there. And Bowden is like that, but he, not like that, but his stuff, yeah, it's hard to describe. I learned a lot from just from reading him and I'm able to mock him and he's able to mock me. And it's our original prose is so close together anyway, that it's kind of a different process. Yeah. But yeah, that's, I'm glad because, I mean, I don't have to be a control freak, but I guess I'm more comfortable being that way. I don't know, man. It's funny, I was laughing while you were telling the Bowden story. And the only reason I was laughing and nothing to do with what you were saying is I keep picking up and putting down out behind the barn, not because it's bad, but because when I want to chat Lutzky book, I want to chat Lutzky book. And I keep opening up out behind the barn and I see these, you know, like the first paragraphs, a decent length I believe if I'm remembering correctly. And it's just like, this ain't Chad Lutzky. This isn't what I signed up for. This is like, this is denser than anything else he's done. So I find that funny, but I'll read it eventually. I want to read something by Bowden before reading that one. I'm also starting Broad Street Bastard today. I know I told you I was going to start at ages ago, but I got into the tiger's wipe and it was going so well, I didn't want to stop. I was going to read them back to back, but I was like, no, this one really requires my attention and I want to get, you know, Chad, his due attention. So I'll be starting that today, but I'm excited for it because I'm in the mood for something. After reading this dense motherfucker, I'm excited to open up a Chad Lutzky book and get the Lutzky I desire, you know, that kind of thing. And I still got to go back and read. I know they're all out of order and I know they're standalone or whatnot. I got to go back and do same deep water. I got to do that one because I know that's the first, but it's also the last so far. It's like- It's the first written, but it's the last in the series. Right, exactly. So I'm also worried about Jax. So it's another reason why, don't tell me anything whether he survives or not, but I'm also worried about Jax. I like Jax.   It's like that you, and don't tell, once again, don't even hint that I'm right, but it feels like there's a reason why you decided to go backward instead of forward. So that's another reason why I'm just like, I'll leave that one for a while until, are you planning another one? Yeah, I'm pretty far into it. It's gonna be much longer than all of them. Okay, well then I'll wait for that one before, and once you tell me it's done, I will go back and read Deepwater. Is it another, it's another prequel, right? You're just writing these completely- They're all backwards, yeah, they're all backwards.  That's almost like the film Memento.  Here's one for you. I'm thinking of ending things by Ian, you never remember the dude's name. Breathe. Anyways. Breathe? Ian, read, yeah. I'm thinking of ending things, not word for word backward, but you can read the book backward and have an entirely new experience. You can read the last chapter, second to last chapter, third to last chapter backward, because the whole book is in a palindrome, of course, but you can read them backward and get a completely different story, but still a full story, which I thought was, I don't even know if that was intended, but I was picking things up along the way, and I tried it, I did the audio book, and then I went back and did the audio book again, I went to the very last chapter, did the one before that, all the way till I got to the first chapter again, and I got a completely different story. And I've never tried that, and I've never even thought about trying that with any books that I've read, but that one fits so perfectly. I wonder what happens if you read it while listening to Pink Floyd and watching Wizard of Oz.  Who knows? God damn it, man. Anyways, I was gonna say something when you were talking about, you write like a screenwriter, is what I've always noticed.  It's the same way every single time. Soon as people start talking, I'm hooked, and that's pretty much all a script is. It's mostly dialogue, you have your pertinent details and you move on. So 100%, I know you'd make a killer screenwriter because you're already doing that, and they're all about movie length anyways. I think I can read most of your books in about an hour and a half, two hours. So it literally feels like I've watched a movie. Now it's too late in the day by the time we're done here to start it, but I don't even know how long it is. I might be done with it today, it all depends. It's not very long, I can't remember. Maybe lower 20,000, something like that.  I can edit my own 20,000K novellas in a day. So yeah, I'm gonna burn right through that. I would love to write more screenplays. I've only written the one for Wyrmwood, and that got, it went through many revisions because we worked with, Tim and I wrote it, but we worked with, we had to answer to Malerman and his other half of Spin and Black Yarn production team and then the director. And there was some stuff that, I'm still kind of upset about that. I'm almost convinced that if we would have left these in, maybe we would have found, we maybe would be further along right now. But, well, you don't know this about me. I've never told you this, but as soon as I'm done with the novel and I know it's gonna be published, I start working on the screenplay. Nice. I start doing that. So if you want to, I'm gonna be working with Derek from chat after we get done with the book. I'm gonna be working with Derek because he's never written anything. And it's gonna be interesting to work with someone who has no writing experience whatsoever. I've only done it one at a time, but even then they had tried writing stuff and dude hasn't tried anything from what I understand. So I was wondering if when I'm done with that, while we're shopping around, in the background, while we're shopping this around, and I'm done with Derek's thing, if you wanna just go ahead and jump in and start doing the screenplay. Do you have Final Draft? Yeah, I got Final Draft.   That shit's not happening. And I've had print, here's a funny story. I can't mention the author, but remind me if you can to mention the author after we're done, after we're done live. So we're already two hours into this. Anyways, so there's this author pretty well known in the horror community. I have absolutely nothing against this one, okay? This isn't a bad story. But he come to find out he was working with the director buddy of mine and they were trying to get him to write because their whole build for their production company that they're working on starting is we let the author adapt it for a couple of reasons, but the main reason, the reason they're not telling everybody is because they're tired of people complaining about the adaptations, not following the books and the things that they have to change. So they're signing the authors to write the screenplays of their own books so that he could literally point to them and go, he fucked up his own thing. So that kind of thing, which I find is funny. But I also like that he's given so much control to the actual author. So they said, all right, you need to write this. It needs to be this long, so on and so forth. You need to write an adaptation of this book and the book itself is a novella. So it's very short. The script that this author turned in was A, written in word and not formatted whatsoever. B, and they even sent him a copy of Final Draft. That's how I got my copy of Final Draft. They sent it to me so I could do life after day. But he sent back a manuscript for the screenplay that was twice as long as the book. That was the first thing. And it was formatted in word. Well, it wasn't formatted at all. It was just in word, like with bullet points, like what happens and whatnot. And it's funny because the author got in there and was like, I found so many ways to expand it, having no frame of reference for a script. And they're like, we can't do this. And then the director calls me up and he's like, can you do something with this?  Because normally people worry about what they have to cut out of and this author used this to rewrite his own story and make it better and make it longer when that is the exact opposite of what you're supposed to be doing with this. Has he never read a screenplay before? I guess not. I don't know the details with this. I barely know the author, but I found it funny that that happened, that when he turned it in, like the book is only like 115 pages long, but he turned in a 220 page script and it wasn't formatted correctly. So it would be even longer if they formatted it correctly. It would be even longer than those 220 pages because once you put that in the final draft with all the spacing and formatting and everything, it would make a 300 page script easily. And I thought it was, I kept asking the dude, I was like, and you didn't tell him it was like a TV show or something. He's like, no, he just has no experience. And so now we're having to whittle down this into that. And there's a pretty big name dude that's gonna be direct. He was the person I'm talking about is just gonna be producing it. There's a pretty big name dude who's gonna be making the movie adaptation. And this guy has been working on this script for two years trying to get it right. And it's just now starting to, and just one script, he's been trying to take things away and argue with the author about, what can't be in there and how they're gonna make this cohesive now that he's added so much. He's kind of sticking to his guns. He's like, it's better, better like this. Even though they've told him, why don't you just write an expanded version of your novella, turn it into a novel and then we can do the movie based on that. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is how the movie should be.  This business is- No, he's got a 200 page script. The only person that's gonna get that movie made is like Tarantino. You're not gonna look at it. You're not gonna look at it. That was hard. The hardest part for me is trying to, which is ironic, considering my stuff was a short, keeping under 112 pages or whatever script because it's a different kind of, if you can, I wish I would, like I said, it's the only script I've written and I wish I would have started another one right away and just kept doing it because it's not something I can hop into right now. I would need to go back to my screenwriters Bible and kind of check up on, you know, how do I start this bit? What's this thing called that I got to do? Cause I forget that kind of stuff. Dude, you're blowing my mind because I swear to God, it'd be so easy to just- But writing this script yourself is freaking easy and I feel like- Oh, you're talking about like int or ext. Yeah, just all that, yeah, all of those. And all that stuff, the script speak, all that stuff. Okay, I get what you're saying, that makes more sense.  Like just take your narrative and put it in the block text and put your dialogue in. Okay. All the little things, like, okay, I need to have this person's name in all caps just the first time and you just, all the little rules that you have to, you know, that you're expected to follow. But the writing of the script itself, for me anyway, way easier than writing prose. And- Have you ever read Storm of the Century? Real quick? Yeah, yeah. He's one of the worst screenwriters, Stephen King's one of the worst screenwriters of all time.  It's just formatted weirdly. And what I'm getting at with that is most people don't care. Like they have their own way they're gonna do it anyways. Like I should send you, I got some Academy Award scripts sitting around here. I should send you the one for Spike Lee's, what's the one in Vietnam? I can't remember the name of the movie now. Anyways, but dude, the script, the way he writes his scripts, and I guess he can do that because he's Spike Lee, same with Quentin Tarantino.  Like not a lick. Like the people they're working with, know their style so they just go with it. But I've written so many scripts just based on how exactly you're supposed to format it. And they always end up getting changed to the director's own style. Because they're just gonna rewrite it from the ground up anyways, because they're gonna do a shot script. You have the shooting script and you have the script that pretty much gets picked up. And I've learned not to worry about stuff like that because that shit's gonna change anyways because I'm not the one who's gonna be doing the shooting script. So if that helps any, definitely, yeah. That's crazy, Haley. I'm just throwing this out here because I agree, I keep hyper-focusing on your hat. Like I'm not even like looking at your eyes. I've been traumatized. Toxy, I love you.  I don't care what anybody says about trauma.  What's the one about the chicken? Chicken Stein, not chicken Stein. Poultry Geist. Poultry Geist, that's it.   And I love every minute of it. I used to have a magazine back 20, 25 years ago and I interviewed Lloyd Coffin while he was on his way to the Playboy Mansion to film, I think it was Citizen Toxy. Yeah. Such a cool guy. We talked for maybe an hour and a half and we were gonna continue the conversation later but he had to go to, but such a cool guy, man. And he sent me some stuff at the time, like promo stuff and just things for the magazine and I bought a trauma beanie and he sent me some like promo stills of like Toxic Avengers standing there with like these chicks with bikinis and stuff. Yeah, Lloyd Coffin's amazing.  Make whatever movie you want and that's the movie we're gonna show no matter how bad it is, no matter how good it is. Cause he's all about saturation.  He has his favorite characters and whatnot. And of course movies he likes more than others but he's like when people are sitting around worrying about how they're going to fund something that's when creativity and imagination dies. You need to get this stuff moving. And so I just give them $25,000 and say go make me a movie and that movie will 100% make $100,000. I'll get my money back, whatever.  He's one of the loosest producers on the face of the planet, no matter where you go as far as complete freedom.  It's almost like a parent giving a child $25 and be like, all right, you can go to the store. You gotta make sure you arrange for tax and all that stuff cause I'm not giving you anything more than $25. And that's how they make it work. And on top of that, he's made so many movies that he has this wealth of props and all that other stuff that they can use, wardrobes and all that stuff. So you get a lot of stuff for free, just working with his company. Yeah, I love him to death and I'm glad that James Gunn came from that because I think it's kept him humble even to this day. He's getting a little full of himself now that he's head of DC, well, co-head of DC movie side. But for the most part, he's still pretty down to earth and that's because he came from, you know, trauma. That's where all of his history is. How's the writing going? We've actually gotten a lot done for as much as we've been talking. So I've added some more. Let's see what our word comes as. I'm big on word coming and I obsess over it. That's fine. Oh, that's Frankenstein back there. Oh, uniboo statue. You got back on your behind you next to the dog mask. I forgot. I was just talking about the uniboo behind you, the statue. Yeah. I didn't realize it was Frankenstein's monster's mask on it. Yeah, it's got a, well, it's got two boobs but the mannequin is a painting that I did a painting on the mannequin and that is a moon on one of the breasts. I need to repaint it. It looks flat. Does it? Yeah. Like I don't see the shape of the boob at all. I just see like almost like someone cut it off. Chad is gonna grab it so I can see the boob, I guess. There it is. Okay, I see it. All right. You see it now? Yeah, I see it. I gotta be able to see both boobs, Chad. I have to be able to see both boobs. Well done, I admire you both for being able to write on the spot like that. I just go black and be like herm. It's, it definitely takes practice. And I'm sure there's been several times already. We just didn't know it that Chad has been like herm. That he has been staring off into his muses aura.  No. When we moved into this house, the ceiling fan was a children's ceiling fan with primary colors. Like one blade was yellow, blue, green, whatever. And so I did, let's see if I can, oops. Oh wow.  And it even has the room key as the mother. Yeah. That is, that's sick. I love that. I was awake till like 3 a.m. working on cleaning up the Coke machine. The King Coke machine. I'll start working on another drink option tomorrow. Yeah, you're fine, Hailey. Take the time, hun, take the time.  It's just gonna be cool to see when it's done. Yeah, that, yeah, I agree that that fan is super cool. And I'm not even like a Kubrick shining fan. Get it? Sorry. But I'm a fan of the fan. That's for sure. Anyways, I know you got lunch, you got to eat at some point. Yeah, I'm good. I've been dipping into it while I'm writing. All right. Oh yeah, that's right. You had your, see that's how bad my short-term memory is. I'll remember you said that four days from now, but I won't remember. I'll probably, yeah, I'm a fan of the fan, yes. I'm a huge Kubrick fan fan.  The English language, bro, English language. All right, well, if you want to continue on, I need to take a break. My butt's going, me, me, me, and we're off tomorrow, so we can go longer today. I also got some videos to shoot for this week. But anyways, I'm gonna go take a break. I'll be back in a bit. And one of these days I'll buy Final Draft.  So Word, you have to pay a monthly subscription fee too. Final Draft hasn't done that yet. Anyways, I'll talk to y'all when I get back. Hey, be quiet. Okay, I'm back. And chat is black. Lord Jesus. I have an idea. I'm just gonna go ahead and write it and see what you think. Once again, married. I had to spell nozzle there for a second and then completely blank.  There it goes again. There you go. What's Yardbird? Yardbird is a chicken. That's a Southern term form. Okay, so a bag of chicken. So Cassie left a bag of chicken by the sink? Well, chicken ramen. It's like chicken flavored, but he would call it Yardbird is what I was getting with that. That's why I put in a bit translation. The next line. Oh, okay. Oh, I did, okay. Yeah, yeah, that works.  Sorry, it's a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I repeat the word in the stream of muttered utterances, the single syllable bleeding into the next until I sound like a motorcycle idling. I like idling motorcycle. I'm also just kidding. I don't know if you're even gonna accept this, the end of this chapter, but. Yeah, I got a lot to, still got so much to read. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, just catch up tomorrow, I guess. Oh, I missed Hailey left. I missed that. Next chapter so far is already 2670. What's that? The next chapter is already 2670. Okay, wow. Good luck, Alec. I hope you find someone for your pitched book. Go down the line. You're welcome, Alec. Okay, I figure it's from the moment that the boys leave until they get home, I'm guessing is maybe half hour. Okay. So, can you think of some kind of filler in there to where we can have the, cause the uncle didn't leave until after they left. Right. And then we have them coming home, essentially just moments after Cassidy gets home. Can you think of something that we could... I'm also seeing Cooter since, if you want to use what I was talking about with Shane walking by Cooter's house twice, like the first time he goes to the carnival, the second time, Cooter obviously lives close. Cause he would be walking by that on his way to the carnival. So maybe Cooter just lives right around the corner. And I mean, it wasn't that far anyways. I don't know. That's a good one, but I don't know if it needs anything more. Like at what point does it, I don't know. What if we maybe have these guys, what if we have them like, what's his name? Shane starts, tackles the dishes. You know, get something to eat, tackles the dishes. And then maybe they go, they could go fishing or they could go, do something that they do often. And then we can have this big chunk of dialogue that shows maybe even a little bit more about who they are and what's going on in the house. And not really an info dump, but just subtle, subtle things. And then in the meantime. We just forgot, Jimmy. Sorry, brother. Jimmy is asking for screen sharing. Oh, I'm sorry about that, man. Yeah, we can totally do that. I suggest if we're gonna do that, then we need to end the chapter. I don't know, how many words do we have in first chapter? Because we're already on page 21. First chapters are always longer, but I don't wanna go over 5,000 words for that first one. I don't know, I don't, unless you wanted to, let's see. I mean, unless you wanted to do something like, if you wanted to do shorter chapters, we're like ignoring what we have for the outline. I mean, we still have that outline. Just ignore the words chapter one, chapter three.  If you wanna go for short ones, we can end the chapter with the window breaking.   Yeah, yeah, we can do that. I was even, even before that, if Cassidy comes to the, you know, they just, Cassidy just takes off. My cousin won't see me, he can't, he's too determined, and so am I. I'm the ninja now. Next chapter starts with nearest convenience stores three blocks away, or continue going.  I don't know why, that just popped into my head, but I love coming up with chapter titles. Yeah, I'm fine with breaking it up, because that's an easy way also. Like I said, if we have short chapters, they'll take anything, they'll take 65, anything around 65K, whereas if we have longer ones then, you know, 70K. Right. So, yeah, I'm all for that. I don't see any problem with that at all, because that would still make, if you wanna stop it, stop the first chapter where you said with him running off, and then go into, yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah, let's do that, at least just for right now. This is the best part about not numbering chapters. You don't have to update them over and over again. Yeah. Yeah, and then in the next chapter with I'm going to jail, I don't know how you feel about that, but I like that.  The other one, you've read way more books than I have. I just do my chapters, not really based on anybody else's books, but maybe I don't pay attention all that much to that kind of thing. Even though the first chapter ends where we are doing like a, we're still starting the next one, like it's still very linear, but also it seems between the two sentences that a moment has passed, at least, whereas if we start a chapter after I'm going to jail, which is a great ending for the chapter, it's still in the exact same moment. I drop out of the window and into a catcher. Oh yeah, people do that quite often. There's cliffhanger chapters that jump to much farther, and then there's ones that pick up, like Dean Koontz does it all the time. He'll have a cliffhanger that then the next chapter picks up like a week later, and then he'll travel back and fill in the blanks, but he'll also have ones that cut off in a cliffhanger and picks up the next moment in the next chapter. James, that's all James Patterson does, and most thriller writers do it like that. So, hey Derek, how you doing? What if we kept the chapter going and then edited at right there?  Okay. Cut the next four lines off, and then start the thing I was talking about where they go out, or they do the dishes. Do the dishes, maybe, gosh, I cannot, Cassidy starts helping, he helps them, and then they go do the thing that they'd like to do sometimes, where they're hanging out, and then we have this moment between the two, and in the meantime, as they're doing the dishes, Uncle Travis is like, I'm out of here. Yeah. I'll be back later. Okay. And then they do the dishes, and then maybe they, fishing feels cliche, I don't know, but so does like chucking rocks at junkyard cars, which is another thought I had. Okay, I got an idea. What if they have their own little personal, very small pet cemetery? It's just like, this was this hamster here, this was a snake that we caught in the woods that we kept in a bucket for a week, and then this is here's this dog. It's like an unofficial, like everybody who has owned pets usually, like we've got a spot in our house and stuff that's, I mean, it's not called a pet cemetery, but it's just like, this is where our dogs are that we've had. What if there was an old, like rundown shack, or a burn down trailer, or whatever, that they hang out in, and they have something like that, like out back of it or whatever, almost like a clubhouse that they've come across, because we had a lot of that stuff when I was growing up, and I put it in several different things, like the Westerns and Bayes End was a real place. There's numerous things that we used to go to old rundown buildings, to lapidated apartments, houses, all that stuff. Maybe there's something down the way apiece where they hang out, but I do like the idea of that thing, like the pet cemetery, the unofficial pet cemetery thing. I do like that because then we can build up, while they're hanging out there, chatting or whatever, we can build up all of that with like, not flashbacks, but memories of the things that they caught and did. I like the idea. I love the idea, but maybe it's not just a spot in the woods, maybe there's something else there whether they go to that they're drawn to, just because kids like abandoned buildings. Yeah, I love that idea. Let's do it, abandoned building, whether it be, and let's not call it a cemetery, it's called a graveyard, just so that there's no pet cemetery thing. And it will be, it's not like a community graveyard, it's just that this is where the last four years since Shane's lived here, this is where they've gone to have their own little funerals, whether they found a bird that crashed into a window, what have you, it's just kind of like this, their little getaway where they kind of, maybe it's a loft in a barn and they set up their big jingled over. That sounds great. I like that barn idea. They can look down at the little different sized stones where various, everything from a well-loved dog to a bird that crashed into their window, whatever. It shows that they have heart and that they care. Yeah, I love everything about that. Yeah, let's do that. So that'll be. That'll be after, at the beginning of this next chapter, after Dan maybe is. Call it, call the chapter grave matters. Okay. Grave matters. Ah, what did I just do? I didn't delete something, did I? Hang on. If you had something, if you had something. All I did was hit enter. Highlighted then maybe, if you enter all I saw was it moved down, but. Okay, I don't think anything disappeared. You can always hit, what does it control me? Yeah, let me do that. See where it takes me. Yeah, okay, it was just a space. It was, I was, okay, my cursor was sitting up here behind, I'm going to jail. So we don't want to do that one. We want to get down here to, damn, maybe he's a ninja. And then. That'll be grave matters.  And then we'll get, we'll get rid of this. I really liked that bit about the shopping unseen invisible opponents. Ah! My, yeah, I did too. But no, I put, dude, it's in here. Or did I just, oh wait, did I just. Yeah, that's part of the thing that you said. I did just check it out. We could move it up if you want to keep it, but. Let me, yeah, let's, I got copied to my. That's fine. Yeah, and then, okay. Put it right here. This is a better spot for it anyway. Right after he talks about the Bruce Lee thing. Yeah. And then I'll move, trying to think of what I'm going to call the dishwasher chapter. Anyways, we'll. Grave matters, right? So you want that to, you want that to naturally go from grave matters. Or are they, after the dishes are done, that's when they go to the thing. Because the chores are done. Yeah, they start to do dishes. Uncle Travis is like, I'm out. They finish the dishes. They're like, we're out or whatever, you know? And they take up, we probably don't announce because these parents don't care. So they're probably just in and out of the house all day without saying where they're going. And then, yeah, then they go to the barn. Okay. I'm going to add another chapter title down here.  I don't know how we're going to fit this in. You might not even like it, but I wrote like another three pages of a scene where he's vacuuming and he finds one of his mother's earrings in the carpet. And then he rushes off to the room that he shares with Cassidy. And he finds that someone has stolen, someone in the house has stolen his mother's jewelry box, which doesn't make any sense because it was all costume jewelry. And then there's a little bit of a, I don't know. I don't know if you want to keep that. That's a great idea, dude, because then that's also a huge catalyst for you.  Exactly. Guess what I'm doing with this cocaine? Exactly. And I kind of fell in love with this part, but hang on, let me get to it. As after he finds that it's gone from his drawer is as my chest is a ball of agony, my pulse crashing in my ears, sweat greases my forehead and rolls into my eyes, mixing with tears, burning, stoking the fire already raging inside me.   Then mom's voice in my head, telling me to calm down, assuring me it's not so bad, followed by visions of me standing beside her at a flea market as she picks through costume jewelry. One of my arms wrapped tightly around her thigh, refusing to budge an inch as she haggles with the guy behind the table, talking him down from $3 to one, then finally to two bucks and they're shaking hands and we're walking off a smile on both of our faces because she has new bobbles and I have her laughter echoing in my head, the good sounds. Love it. Thank you. That'll work. I wanted more, I wanted to kind of give the feel of how important that stuff was because there's only memories without saying how important it was kind of thing. I love that it's costume jewelry. It's not worth anything, but it is to him. Yeah, exactly. And that's what I wanted to drive home. It's not about the jewelry. It's the principle of the matter that it was something important to him, is a good memory, so on and so forth. But I was hoping to at least keep that.  And I don't know if you're gonna like it or not, but I just ran with it, dude. I have the chapter now called This Sucks, but it's him vacuuming with this vacuum. I like explaining for whatever reason, when we're dealing with people who are tight on money, I love explaining how they get items, like how they get things that, they shouldn't be able to afford and whatnot because I did a lot of that when I was younger and when I became homeless. Every single item was acquired, not necessarily in a nefarious way, but a way that you wouldn't expect. And that's the kind of experiences I like bringing into my work. Nothing's actually purchased. We do what we gotta do. I was also a rainbow vacuum salesman for two days, only sold one. And I felt terrible about the one that I sold because I literally talked this old woman into it. And I knew she couldn't afford it, but I still talked her into it.  I agree.  Yeah. And I had never dealt with a vacuum salesman before. It was rainbow guy and he came in and as promised, you know, did the room, shampooed the whole room, vacuumed, but did his spiel and this was a two-hour thing. And I realized partially the way through it that I now know what you're doing here. And he was good. We really wanted this thing, you know, because we have dogs and we don't want hair all over and stuff. But it was something we couldn't afford.  I was like, dude, that's a vacuum. 1750 when I did it, 1,750 bucks.  But, and I'm too nice of a guy to have kicked him out or anything, so I'd let him do his thing. It was very kind, you know, we showed him lots of hospitality and when he was done, finally, you know, but the second time that we got one, I told my wife, I said, we got another one of these calls and I made an appointment. And I said, when they get here, we're not sitting through this whole thing. It's not fair to, because we're not getting the vacuum. We knew we weren't going to. So as soon as I entered the door, I said, I, you know, I said, hi, you know, thanks for coming. I just want you to know, I've had one of these demonstrations before and to be perfectly honest, you're here to clean this room and I'm not buying this. So you might as well save your words. And the guy never said anything. He did, he didn't, you know, normally it's salesman would still like kind of push you and that kind of thing, nothing, total silence. The whole time he, I could just almost hear him cussing me under his breath.  The way I was trained and this still, like I don't even believe it. The way we were trained, it was just me and I was placed with this other guy, the dude trained me to ask people to let us in. And then as soon as we got in, you would dump something on their carpet and they'd get upset, of course. And he was like, that's what we're here for. Or the guy did to one person where he dumped a cup of coffee grounds between the lady's legs onto her. You couldn't do that to everybody because not everybody has carpet in their foyer. But he would have this stuff ready and he would literally just throw it on the ground and he's like, now let me show you what this thing can do.     I spent another one, I spent like three days at Buckmasters, which is literally just some magazine about hunting. I'm sure you might be familiar with, but I, and I had to work on Thanksgiving and I literally had to call people on Thanksgiving because so many people were home. That was my last day was on Thanksgiving because I call people and damn near, most of them cussed me out. It's like, do you realize what day it is? That kind of thing. And I always felt like such a fraud because the script would start off, how are you doing today? So I'm sewing so forth from Buckmasters, and then how many deer you got? How many deer you get lately? I can still, I still can't say it, but they had a very specific way so you sounded as country as possible talking to them. And I am definitely not country. It got, I even used Earl a couple of times when I was doing it, when I was first building that voice. But I hold up one lady and the lady's like, you do know it's Thanksgiving, right? I only answered because I thought you might be someone calling them saying they're late. I'm like, no, ma'am, and then if you get caught with the wife is what they put on the paper, the script. He's like, is your husband around? I'd love to talk to him about it.  I was like, damn, I didn't even get a chance to say have a good day or I'm sorry or anything like that. And it just hit me like a brick.   I had to tell a marketing job that was a bit paid well. And I was really happy to have this job at the time because it paid more than I had gotten in a while. Yeah, Buckmasters was great too for pay. It was that kind of thing where it's just like this job is not for me and I got fired because I wasn't assertive. And I lasted three days and I was in a room full of, you know, a bunch of other people and we're just all making and we're trying to sell tickets to a concert for the GEL group, which is like some firefighters group that we're supposed to fill them with guilt about house fires and deaths and all this kind of stuff. And I was so shocked that, you know these are all cold calls.   I hope that, you know, your day goes better, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I would talk to him a little bit longer with nothing to do about the ticket sales. And they called me in the office and they're like, cause they listened to you for your first, while you're on probation. And I was, at the time I was extremely bummed because I needed the money really bad, but after a while in hindsight, I was proud that I got fired from that job because I wasn't an asshole, essentially. Ironically, the concert tickets that I was selling was for a band called The Grass Roots. And the guitarist for The Grass Roots, an old sixties band. The guitarist for The Grass Roots is Creed from the office. Really? Yeah. So it's Creed's fault. It's Creed's fault. It's funny that I quit, I didn't quit at that moment, but I didn't have any more calls that day. And I went home, I came back the next day and Eminem's album on-core had just come out at the time. So I stopped by Target, bought the album, and I'm listening to it in the car and I'm enjoying it, but literally that album is the whole reason why I didn't go back inside. I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm enjoying this and I wanna finish it. That's what I was telling myself. It's like a subconsciously trying to talk myself into losing this job. And I'm sitting out there in the parking lot and I'm listening to it and it's obvious I got several songs left and it's time for me to go in. I'm like, just one more song. I'm sitting there and I'm not even thinking about how bad I felt the day before. I'm just like, one more song. And it wasn't until the album ended and I was already 20 minutes late for work. I was like, I guess it doesn't matter if I go in or not at this point. So I might as well just go home. So I left and they never called me or anything. I got to check in the mail like three weeks later.  Selling anything.  There'll be a whole script if they say they're sick or whatever, skip to page three, read this. It's like, man, come on. You're absolutely right. It's the same thing at Buckmasters.  It wasn't that serious. And all of the sales that I did get were from the wives who had husbands who hunted. And I don't wanna say they were gullible, but they were so much easier to sell than the husbands. And that's why they wanted you to focus. If she seems like a loving, doting wife, you know, there's a whole script part of there. And if not, it's like, can I talk to your husband? Deal. And I even called some people who were like, he's been dead for three years. I don't know why you guys keep calling.  I just end the call. It was like you said, they're all cold calls. You don't know what you're getting. You have no idea. You just go from one to the next and they just kind of all blend in the background. There's no humanity in the process whatsoever. It's just soul-sucking work. Yeah, I remember that first brain bogey. He also, part of his tactic was to make us feel, my wife and I feel like we lived in just a nasty house.  But I know what you're talking. Yeah, how much is going through there? Yeah, and he's like, look at this. Is this really how you live? Is this how you want to live?   If you're not gonna treat me like a human being, I've gone to places, you know, $10,000 cash wanting to buy a vehicle right then and there. They didn't know that. But, you know, I've gone up to them, like it's not gone up there, but I've gone to a car lot and no one's approached me or someone who, I do remember this one very specifically, that one time I went to a new car lot. I had the money, was looking for a certain thing and the guy came up to me and asked me, no, not asked me, told me where the used car lot was. It's like, we got some used cars that are cheaper back here in the back and I'm like, no, that's good. I'm done later. And then I went like three places down and bought a brand new as a blue PT Cruiser.  And I don't wear jewelry so I have no other status symbols on me. It's just sweat pants or sweatshorts.  But yeah. Hey, Solvents, I think I'm done. I need to get out of this chair. We've been here almost four hours. Yeah, yes, we have been here for a very long time. Yeah, this one's been more like the Chattening instead of the rightening. This is what I titled the episode, but I'll probably change it in the VOD. Did you want me to send you the videos so you can close down your own end? Yeah, you don't have to do that. Okay, it's super easy. I just like add them to Dropbox or Google Docs or whatever and then you can delete them every once you download them. But whatever you want to do, I ain't talking to you. Anywho, all right, so thank you guys. Is there anything you want to say before we go, Chad? No. I still need to tell you what author I was talking about after we signed off here. I got to remember that. Yeah, I got a shitload done this morning, time for lunch. Yeah, I'm about to go eat too. All right, Chad and Chad, it was another great session. We got a lot of stuff in play that we can use to extend this and still keep it interesting. I love that we settled on shorter chapters with cliffhangers, I love that idea because we can still be literary and do that. We can still have the chunks of whatever that we've been doing. All right, thanks for joining us. We will see you guys on Monday. Yes, time to watch the bot. We'll be back on Monday. I'm taking tomorrow off, but we are doing Sunday service. We're doing movie night instead of game night. So we're watching something on 2B tomorrow. I haven't pulled anything out of the hat to figure out what we're watching, but we will be watching a movie. You guys can watch it long at home. I'm not gonna be streaming the movie. We'll just be hanging out watching them on our own devices. Are you watching good movies or bad movies? I don't know yet. I'm gonna literally, I asked Discord for suggestions and I threw them all into a hat, wrote them all down, and I'm gonna be picking something out so I don't know if it's gonna be something terrible or something good, but you're more than welcome to come, of course. I just had the perfect selection if you were gonna do bad movies, but yeah, okay. What you got? I'll throw that, I'll throw it in there. It's a movie called LA as in Los Angeles. Yeah. LA AIDS Jabber. It's about... AIDS Jabber? Yes, it's a very, very low budget movie about a dude who finds out he has AIDS, gets really pissed off, and starts taking a sample of his own blood going around and stabbing people. That's what I thought, that's where I thought you were going. I'm gonna put it in the hat. And it's worse than you think it is. I really hope it is, honestly. If nothing else, I'm gonna watch it on my own because that, holy shit, just the name alone, that's amazing. Anyway. The dialogue is the worst you've ever, the acting and the dialogue is just top notch horrible. Worse than the room and not goblin. Was it goblin too? Anyways, or troll too, troll too. Yes, way worse than that. Oh wow. Shot on video. No, yes. All right, yeah. I'm looking it up as soon as I get off here. So what was the first one again? It was, what was the name of it? I got AIDS Jabber, what came before that? LA. LA, Los Angeles, okay. So LA, I don't have anything to write on. AIDS Jabber and not Stabber. Right, right.  Jabber.  All right, looking it up after this. I could have just typed it into my search bar and went back to it, but. All right, oh, him discompute. Yeah, troll too. I keep, I keep, I always want to call it goblin too because of Neil Bogg. Is he gone? Did he just like leave? Not possible. I didn't think it was possible to get worse than the room and troll too. You're muted. Can't hear you. Oh, that's why you can't hear me say. Yeah, dude, I'm right here. Okay. Oh my God, with the fly and everything on his face. Yeah, it's amazing. Anyways, thank you guys for joining us. We will be back Monday, 9 a.m. to keep this going and the VODs will continue to release basically every other day, probably Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday is what the vlog. Can I steal it as a title? What thing? What? I don't know. Anyways, bye y'all. Until next time, all hail the chair.