Okay, good evening everybody. I'd now like to call the September 14th 2020 parks and recreation advisory board to order Could we please start with the roll call? Miss Sue Alberg I'm here Mr. Jeff Allen Bowden here Mr. Manel gang war Miss Paige Lewis here Mr. Dan Olson Mr. Robert Putham air down Olson said he's camping right now Thank you Miss Katja Stokely is not here and Mr. Aaron Rodriguez Council liaison Not here Thank you We do have a quarrel So meetings are being held remotely due to the governor's safer at home order anyone wishing to provide public comment during public invited to be heard Let's watch the live stream of the meeting for instruction When the call in information is displayed on the screen, please call the number displayed enter the meeting ID and When asked for your participant ID press pound Collars will hear confirmation They have entered the meeting and be told how many people are already participating in the meeting staff and council included Collars are placed on hold and muted until they're called by the last three digits of their phone number At which time they'll be unmuted and invited to speak Please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak Comments are limited to three minutes per person and each speaker will be asked to state their name and address for the record prior to proceeding with their comments Okay, I'd now like to move to approval of the agenda and Before we do that. I believe David has an amendment to the agenda I move we approve the agenda. I think we need to hear from David first and then we can go there. Thanks, Rob Yes, I just like to move that we have removed the item on the newbie conservation easement and we have moved that to Next month so that we can Tightly appropriately as a public hearing next month Great. Thanks, David. Do you know do we need to vote on that or is that? That's prerogative to remove an agenda item. I think is this I think it's that's probably to pull that And that will be approved if you when the agenda is approved approve it with the Modification or David's change Okay, thank you. I'd like to have a motion to approve the agenda as amended by David I think a motion to approve the agenda as amended. Great. Thank you. Do we have a second a second man? Great. Thanks Minaj all in favor Great. Thank you. We've approved the amended agenda and now I'd like to move on to last week's minutes Does anyone have any Changes to the minutes before we move to approve them There any edits? I found minor typos in it. Do we actually care? I don't know if it matters if there's a spelling mistake or small typo. Is that is that true? Veronica Can you tell us whether you want to know that or not or Jeff if you know? I think if you Jeff if you've identified those we should make those corrections. Yes, we appreciate you letting us know Okay, then I need a second on Can I continue? Yeah, please on page three Oasis I believe spelled wrong unless the plural of Oasis is actually OASES, which I didn't know it was if that's the case I don't think it is I Don't know. I'm just asking about the way it's spelled at the very bottom of a weight of that page Parks and Rec Board page three It should be IS that's what I thought and then I looked for a plural version of that and I couldn't find one So I think no, I think it's just IS I Did mark it up and actually I don't think I ever found there whatever else I found I didn't think was big enough of a deal to say so that's it Well on page four Macintosh should be spelled correctly Okay, we're Macintosh Lake Macintosh for Macintosh Lake is not spelled correctly. Okay, I Think you just take out the K. I will correct that Any other comments on the previous meeting minutes great can I get a motion to approve them as amended? I Move we approve the Minutes as amended Great. Thanks. Here's a second. I Second that Great all in favor Hi Great Okay, previous meeting minutes are approved. So we'll now move to our first public invited to be heard We're gonna open up open up the public invited to be heard the information will be displayed on the screen for those feeling from home Please dial 1-888-788-0099 Which is a toll free number and when prompted enter the meeting ID? 8 7 9 3 7 8 1 0 8 5 9 So we'll now take a five-minute break to allow the public to call in Council may turn off their video if you'd like during this time All right, so there's a you who have called into the meeting I've let you into the meeting and we are going to wait here another couple minutes to see if we have any callers in and What will happen is I will Ask you to unmute yourself and we ask that you Mute your livestream So if you're listening to this on YouTube or wherever you're listening to it If you can turn the volume down on that Otherwise, you're going to hear an echo in your phone when it's your time to talk We still have about another minute or so Before I take down the slide and then I will ask you to unmute yourself by calling up the last three digits of your phone number All right, vice-chair. It's been about five minutes if you're okay with us proceeding Yeah, please go ahead Caller ending in five six three. I'm going to ask you to unmute yourself You can please state your name and address for the record. Hello there Can you hear me we can hear you can yes Okay, good. My name is Leo Wilson Valentine. I am calling. I Apologize I missed the first bit of the meeting so I don't know if this is without introduction, but I'm calling in regards to Naming the beach at Union Fred's Beach I had Wilson was my dad. He was also the mayor and a city councilman for a long time And I just I wrote up a few comments So let me read when I think of the beach at Union I think of my dad sitting on a picnic bench with his ragged old shorts and sandals waiting for the wind We talk about happy places a lot these days and I can tell you with absolute certainty That the beach at Union was my dad's happy place Another thing I can say with absolute certainty is that my dad was the driving force behind what Union Reservoir is today My family has been going to Union Reservoir since the late 80s when it required a membership Dad had to learn to had learned to windsurf on various other lakes in the area And he was quite possibly the first person to windsurf at Union When he became mayor he was passionate about making Union a wakeless lake so that he and other windsurfers would have a safe place to pursue their sport In the years since in the years since Union became a part of the city of Longmont He spent a huge amount of time out there windsurfing sailing kayaking swimming and more He built himself a rowing shell some time ago and rode that thing around the lake at least a hundred times Right around the time he got tired of rowing he heard about the crazy new fad in California stand-up paddling He repurposed one of his old windsurfers Built himself a stand-up paddle and set out on the lake becoming quite possibly the first person ever to stand-up paddle on Union People thought he was crazy I'm sure that if Dementia hadn't got a hold on my dad He'd still be at Union these days pioneering some new sports Reviving an old one or just having a good time waiting for the wind Please approve the resolution in honor of my father's service to the city of Longmont and his love for Union reservoir Thank you. Thanks very much. Thanks for joining us You can move to the next color Okay, this is our next and final color Collar ending in two zero eight I'm going to ask you to unmute yourself if you could please state your name and address for the record Thank the collar is still muted. Yeah, I'm Asking him him or her to unwind themselves. Oh, we are good. Yeah, we can hear you. Thank you. Okay Gordon Peter one six thirty nine Falcon Drive Board chair and members. Thank you for serving on this valuable advisory board Parks and open space and trails are some of the community's most valuable assets when it comes to the quality of life We all enjoy I Appreciate the opportunity to address you tonight My main focus is on the proposal to designate Fred Beach at Union reservoir I believe this designation is appropriate to honor Fred's most in 13 years of dedicated service to the community as mayor and city council member Fred was mayor in 1993 when I was elected to be city manager in my 30 plus years serving in public in Three different cities. I found Fred to be one of the best elected officials I ever worked with after he left the city council We developed a close friendship and enjoyed rowing our skulls at Union reservoir Fred was the city's best ambassador when it has to reservoir He helped many novices become better at windsurfing paddleboarding rowing and canoeing The beach at Union was his classroom Fred Wilson was a visionary and a passionate advocate for increasing opportunities for all members of the Longmont community One of his early visions was for the city to acquire the surface rights at Union reservoir So that all Longmont residents could have equal access for recreation before the city Gain control of the surface rights only members of the private yacht club had access and of course this meant most Longmont residents were excluded In my opinion Fred's second great vision for our city involves what most of you know today as next light The fastest internet connection in the country When the city first wants its efforts to provide the community with high speed communication infrastructure through a private optic backbone Fred was one who saw the opportunity and supported the effort through his many internet through its many iterations Finally Fred recognized the value that sandstone ranch could have for our community and supported that effort as resident and city council member These are just a few of the reasons why I believe Fred Wilson deserves the recognition For his many contributions to our community by having the proposed sign placed at Fred's Beach at Union reservoir And since I have a few seconds left Although your first agenda item was removed from the meeting tonight. I support the Conservation easement for the newly property and I think that's a way of protecting our open space in the long run. Thank you very much Thanks very much. Thanks for joining us. I Just want to thank both of our the speakers because I was lucky enough to know Fred and Fred's Beach would be the greatest honor and I really appreciate Gordon and and Fred's daughter for calling in It was really really wonderful to hear what you had to say Thank you Any other comments before it or do we have any other callers? I don't know anymore. No, we just have the two colors Okay, with that then we'll close the public invited to be heard Bob. Did you want to just make the comment? Yes, I was going to say that I have no objection Being named that it's certainly better than Sandy Beach you know and He certainly deserves some recognition, so Great well, you'll have an opportunity to do that very shortly when it comes up on the agenda So I think well with that will close public invited to be heard and move to bold business We have no business. We should we are now ready for six feet Great, okay. We'll move to new business and as six a was removed from the agenda. We'll go to six B I'm not sure who's speaking about that David. Is that you? Yeah, this is David and again I was like to put some of the the board members has said I think Gordon and Fred's daughters did a great daughter did a great job of They talked about why this should be named Fred's Beach But I just like to take a couple minutes to kind of talk about why it ended up with proud We had the family and Gordon approach Parks and natural resources staff to say could we do something for a memorial at Fred out of the beach and you know We do memorial bricks. We do benches And that's within the realm of what we as staff can do that, you know, the idea of naming a beach felt like it was At a level that needed I think not only just the procedural process for the recognition for Fred to go through the proud process And council process for resolution. So that's the direction we decided to take since proud is responsible for naming parks Even though this is a full park. We thought it bring it to this board for your consideration and your Vote would be an important piece of this. So as you've seen here I think in the document provided for you that Fred was it, you know, I think Critical and making this a public beach and I I manage in that area now know how important that is to the public So throughout the coronavirus knowing how much people needed to get outside Needed to have these public spaces. I think it's a great place. I've seen how much the public loves it And I think this is a great recommendation the staff supports as well as the community Great. Thanks, David Yes, yeah, I guess I just wanted to clarify like in the in the new business. I'm only looking at the agenda It says name it in honor of former mayor Fred Wilson, but then people called in called it Fred speech Are we gonna call it Fred Wilson's Beach? What are with the actual proposal? Oh, could we I'm actually there There's a sign that the family and friends have actually offered paper so I can bring that up if you can say Now I'm remembering the other thing that it didn't work in the in the packet actually was the attachments one in the packet So that's that's why I didn't notice Is that visible everyone now so that's that's how they'd like it to be yes And then we will work in This will be located where So this is a piece that I don't have the exact location We've actually had John brim who is the park manager go out with the friends and family look at look at the location So as you come into the the beach swim area, that's where we'll be located in that area So that you know users of the the beach would be able to see that the exact location I don't have a map of that but it was site located by staff What's the sign made out of So that's a piece that as we put it up here Kathy Crohn Steve Brands Wiley have looked as well the friends family have worked with on rabbit hill Science and graphics. However, we do have standards. We'll probably make sure that it meets those specs and standards So we'll work the the family and friends to make that work within what they're looking for But also make sure it meets the standards for this for the city as well Well, what's the top hat of the mustache? You know We didn't really push back on that. This is all designed by the individuals you heard calling this this evening and It has significance. I'm sure as we move forward. They'll be able to provide some more information on that Can you tell us David? What is the? process that you need from us do you need a formal resolution or I would I think what I'd be looking for would be A vote to say that we could take this forward to council with the recommendation from staff and well Whatever the vote that prav would have that we would take perhaps vote plus staff recommendation to council And ask for a formal resolution then so we would be asking for resolution from council And do you anticipate that there would be any significant public opposition? for this No, not at all My only comment is Is that um When I see signs like that places I actually wish there was a little more explanation like I wish Because I appreciate signage when I go places and something is dedicated to someone I wish it was a little more on there about, you know, he was instrumental in You know bringing union to the public Or at least maybe a blurb Under union reservoir on their website would maybe be an appropriate place to just going to throw that out there I would just say that I would I would agree and again, I think at this point is we're bringing this forward To get support from staff and the boards That was our first goal and I do think that we would like to have staff work for the family But respect their intent because I would agree and I think if you go to wealth price reservoir and same same things that there we have other City buildings entities properties named after people you get a little bit more information And I'm sure to the the friends and family this means a lot for the person that did know fred I think having that there would be something we we could probably incorporate in a way that We meet their intent, but also Help those that do not know so I I think that's something that we definitely want to work with as staff With friends and family to make sure we could achieve that I had one question It's a great idea to honor mr. Fred. Uh, I just wanted to know whether is there any much cost involving Renaming the union reservoir so as far as Renaming I since it's not named already. I don't think it'd be a a cost of doing that I think that you know websites and stuff could refer to at this point But I don't think there's anything out there that really even identifies this one Be so we wouldn't have a renaming piece We might have some some cost as we go forward as we start referencing The beach it would have it as friends beach the other piece is that at this point at least and that's again why Taking through this board and through council and looking for ways we could fund this right now though The friends and family said they would pay for it and Um, I think that's a great offer I think them working with the city, but if the city needs to make changes to you know The quality of sign this the the build of the signs and make sure meets our standards and prices go up I would hope that the city would be able to look at budget sources to help offset that But right now the only cost that we really have is the sign itself and again the family is saying that they would pay for that Thank you And just to clarify it's not renaming union reservoir just naming the swim beach in honor correct, right? Yeah Okay, if there is no more questions, uh, I would entertain a motion which regards to recommending this naming to city council step I make a motion. We accept this name for freds beach as stated to go to City council great Did you have a second I seconded Okay, too. I'm not sure Veronica. Do you want to just repeat the motion for us and then we can vote That makes a motion to like to accept the name change at union beach to freds beach And and recommend but staff move that Check share that with city council Correct. Yes, correct Great all those in favor Great Anybody opposed Great the motion passes Okay, so our next agenda item is items from staff Are there any items from staff that we want to cover? I have something I'd like to talk about or share Great, so So late last week page had sent, uh, david and i an email Uh about the 2021 budget process and wanted to just share the COVID impact that recreation is currently experiencing So recreation is required to file follow a financial policy set by city council that requires us to recover 80 percent of the costs that we spend in a year that excludes Capital items over $5,000 Excludes a free community events like rhythm on the river and long mount lights It excludes our work with field maintenance and sandstone ranch So based on on that information We we are Suffering some pretty reduced revenue during 2021 And right now I'd estimate that we're going to be somewhere between 40 and 50 percent of what our normal normal revenue is That normal revenue is right over four and a half million dollars that were expected to bring in And this year we will bring in less than 200 million or two million dollars We believe that There's two issues that we have found that is that helps with that negative revenue Based directly to COVID the first item is the state and county guidelines on How many people can use our facilities at any one time? For example at the rec center We can only have Up to a hundred people there at one time And it's based on a 25 percent of your normal capacity or 50 whichever is is less And that's based on rooms that have four walls and a door So we've broken the pool into one room of 50 And then the gymnasium the track area and the workout area is another 50 And we are averaging With those reduced capacities currently about 35 percent of our capacity So and the so the second item Is that we found that people are more comfortable working Outdoor going to outdoor facilities and not quite as comfortable going indoors Just to give you an example of the impact is Before COVID hit we were averaging about 1200 people a day at the rec center right now Excuse me. It's around 229 people a day So that that number you can see how quickly that can impact your Or our revenue expectations So staff was asked to Create an estimate of where we thought we would be in 2021 We believe we're going to be at around 25 percent of our normal Revenue of the 4.5 million Which means that We will we will be short 1 million 127 thousand dollars rounded So with that reduction cost recovery The cost recovery policy requires us to reduce our budget by that much so staff made a proposal that We would cut 25 percent of all of our programming areas excluding regular staff in matching benefits that go with that And we would reduce 30 percent of the hours for our temporary employees This is going to require many of the Regular staff to be more front line working at the front desk serving as lifeguards and also pool managers field field supervisors that sort of thing And then Finally one of the things that I would say is If things get better in 2021 We have a vaccine or the virus happens to go away We will have the opportunity to as revenues grow to add those dollars back to our our budget Staff is going to be going through A process over the next two months To identify What we should continue to offer in 2021 And those items that should be Suspended until the time that Revenues start Increasing and then we could And then we go back to council to Appropriate those additional revenues so that we can spend the money And work towards getting back to the four and a half million dollar Revenue as estimates are budgeted revenue Um wanted to share that that's been pretty hard news for the staff It is a Major impact that really none of the other Departments or divisions have seen within the city And so we will keep you posted as we move forward with What our recommendations are And it's our hope to have a plan by Mid-November so that we're ready when The new budget comes into effect in january If I have any questions Thanks staff. I appreciate you providing us that estimate I have one question and then I'll go to the rest. I just wondered how quickly could the council If you come to them with You know request to appropriate funds back due to increased revenues How quickly can they act and restore those funds for you to use? It it takes normally a month or month and a half Generally the recreation budget is usually spread out through the year so if something if revenues start coming in early in the year and Let's say we have the opportunity to do rhythm on the river again We have the flexibility to to move monies to spend and pay for rhythm While we work towards through the appropriation of the additional dollars. So I think it can be done fast and it would have limited impact on Delaying programs from starting Okay, Jeff and then two. Thank you guys. Did you have a question? I had a question and I'm headed and to say I'll ask and then you can say that's not going to make any difference but I guess I'm wondering are there options for doing more parks and I guess recreation type things that would be outside Transition period like I'm just making up stuff like in Roosevelt Park. There's the covered area Could there be a workout facility move there where you have treadmills outside But a fence to protect the equipment or could pools for example be open throughout the winter in heater Is that just a waste of money and it's That it'd be really hard to keep sunset Open much longer. It closes on sunday and the challenge is that Once it starts getting colder People tend to say we'll go there, but once the cold weather hits it it's pretty difficult and You know with the with the weather that we had last week Our temperatures went from 83 Down below 77 And you have to have by code Temperatures at at least 77 degrees and once it starts staying that cold where it's in the 30s and Lower 40s all the time. We just can't keep up with the the heat and security wise, I don't know that it really worked to To move all that equipment out to the pavilion location We are continuing to do fitness classes in the parks And we're doing virtual classes and we'll continue to do those But at some point time when the weather You know gets cold. We we really don't have a lot of options Makes sense I have a couple questions one is is so as if boulder county health changes Their mandates Are you able to change quickly or do you have to go get city council approval? Let's say for example, they raise the numbers that can be allowed in the same room type of thing No, we do not have to go back to council for that and one of the things that could happen is if The numbers would go down The covet numbers the number of cases we can move to what is called protect our neighbors Based on the preliminary work our information. We've seen that bumps our numbers from 25 to 50 It starts having a Pretty big impact on The numbers of people that can be in our buildings The challenge still is Do people feel comfortable because right now If you come into our facilities, you have to wear a mask when you're working out Excluding swimming you have to wear your mask to the point where you're ready to get in the water You can go in and swim without it, but you have to put your mask back on right away, so we just are in the Last week of a survey that we're doing of of Longmont residents to see there how they feel about coming back indoors And at the october meeting i'll be able to present that information to Kind of help us direct direct us on where we need to really be spending our time by far in at centennial pool and at the rec center Aquatics is by far the the busiest of all of our locations So that was one of my questions. So when you said you could have 50 in the rec centers pool area But like that is that's just for like open swim because The fact that we can only have six at a time in the you know In the lap lanes Could that not be changed to two at a time in each lane or no the county so Originally, we were allowing multiple people in the lane about two weeks ago the county came back with A new guidance that says if it's lap swimming not in A an organized program that you could only have one person in a lane So at the rec center if you have all six lanes that would allow 44 people to be in the hot tub and leisure pool Okay So My next comment is and i'm not quite sure I understood it You said, you know if things change you could possibly bring things back like rhythm on the river and so on Is that the kind of questions you're asking in the survey like to me I would postpone events like that and use that money Towards no more recreational things. I'm just curious about why I just use that as an example because that's probably one Of the things that will be the first to be suspended Until we can have large numbers of of people. There's just no way we can do Any types of events the the questionnaire or the survey was really more generic about What is your opinion about working out indoors? Here are the types of cleaning Things that we're doing you have other things that you would recommend Um What what classes would you be willing to have you or other family members attend that sort of thing? It was really not about those Large events because like I said, we can't have those numbers together yet And one other comment I will make because I do use the pool reservation system weekly Is there a possibility that it could be? Uh people could cancel online when they're not going to be able to make it because that's one feature That I think is personally I think is a bit of a problem because when I do go swim laps Sometimes the lanes are full but sometimes there's like three people there Because they haven't shown up. I mean they've made a reservation Um, is that something that could happen? Is that just I I believe they can do it that way I think generally with I think you have to do it 12 hours before Many people are not doing that at all. They're they're just not showing especially if they're Pass holders Generally the people that call are the ones that are playing paying the daily rate No, you cannot cancel online even 12 hours before okay I was told that too and I've investigated that By asking quite a few people And the answer is no you cannot so I just think that that's something that Would be a feature that would be I think helpful Yeah, and they're we can't make that kind of modification. It's a out-of-the-box system and difficult that best for some people Overall, I think I think it's working great just so you know, I mean, I think it's it's great and it's very much appreciated I was just gonna ask if you have any idea yet what might be the status for the skating rink and the hockey program since they're outside we should have a decision made within the next two weeks of whether we will open or not financially it's going to be A challenge because we can only have 25 people On the ice in the lace-up area And in the building at one time so 25 total and the challenge with that is As people are leaving The lace-up area in the building are not large enough to handle 25 people So the county's response is You can't go above what you can handle off the ice So we're we're working on the financial side of that and we'll be presenting to Our director and the city manager in the next couple weeks Other questions Okay, great. This is nothing else. Thanks Jeff for bringing that information and Sorry, we're in this condition. Hopefully for all of our sake. Yeah Things will get better sooner than later Thank you Okay, the next agenda item is items. Well, are there other items from staff first? Okay, hearing none. Are there any items from the board? Maybe a very short meeting Rob I volunteered for with daniel Levine to monitor macintosh lake Three sunday three saturday mornings actually and That is a I think it's a it's a A disaster waiting to happen By noon there were 95 water Things on the lake canoes Canoes kayaks paddle boards all that Of the children there many were riding on the paddle boards or in the canoes and so on Only about half of them had life jackets on What was peculiar about the thing is all the dogs had life jackets But in any case it uh There were people swimming they would paddle out to the middle of macintosh lake and then jump into water and swim And you know, we don't have a rescue craft on that lake In case Somebody has to get out there And we certainly don't have lifeguards Or we don't have anything and I have a feeling Especially on the weekends on warm summer days. It's kind of out of control. We don't have any There's a lot of dangers or hazards and not a lot of control I don't know that signs Would would fix it But it wouldn't hurt but It is being used a great deal because people can't get into union And almost half the people I interviewed Were from more than 10 to 30 miles from long month That's all I have to say. It's just an interesting I don't know what the rest of the survey is. I only know about my saturday mornings But uh, it seems to me that there's a hazard there and On parks and rec. We should Consider addressing that at some point Yes, David Yeah, I just want to say one. Thanks for volunteering. I know you volunteer a lot rob And this is a project that we really were getting called out to Like macintosh quite a bit Because of masking and social distancing and really I think that was a result of how much uses out There and just a change in use for the neighbors. I can imagine if you lived out there what your backyard has turned into As I went out there and looked at things though What I saw is a little different than people had a different lens with the the The neighbors there and I would say exactly what rob said my biggest concern Was the number of people on the water, which wasn't Strictly the number but the number of people who did not have personal flotation devices People are out there if it was kids if it was adults It doesn't matter if you're A long time canoe or kayaker You fall you hit your head and it's We don't have anything out there to rescue people So that was the first piece and the second piece was the swimming which is not allowed there Again, no lifeguards And we don't test that water the state requires that if we have a beach We have to have water quality testing since we don't have a beach We don't do that and we know what's upstream from that with cattle and agriculture And the the the low depth of that water that it gets warm pretty quickly. So We definitely have some concerns about the water quality there that we're just unaware of at this time So what I want to thank you for being out there volunteering and to do so Pab knows it is probably one of my biggest concerns is how we go forward with managing that body of water Because as I've told council it's not going to go back to the way it was We talked about, you know, Jeff talked about things going back to normal If there's a vaccine or if there's you know, the virus wants its course But those people have found Macintosh. There is no entry fee like there is at union We don't have a controlled entry point. So we can't just limit the number of people. So I think we'll have to start figuring out how we manage that property Responsibly for the users for the wildlife and for the neighbors Big topic tonight, but thanks for bringing that up and Danielle Is starting to pull all that information together and should be able to provide Prab with a better well-rounded report once she pulls that information together There there the other thing was that there were a lot of cars that the parking lot I was at Fleming park, which is not on Shore Road or something and The day I was there the days I was there saturday and sunday were particularly crowded It's an interesting phenomenon But a lot of cars were parked on lake shore drive or whatever it's called in the bike lane All the way down because the parking lot was too small I don't know what the answer is there other than maybe just Saying don't don't go on the lake. I mean it's drinking water or whatever But I I do think that it has to be thought you have to think about how it's being used and How it's sort of out of control of the city in some ways it's all people who just show up from other places like nighwatt and lions and Some people even from places like In pennsylvania Yeah, because they couldn't go to sandy lake. They were up at macintosh. Yeah And if you know when Danielle would have her Survey results or when there might be more to report about potential action So since she's not here to say no, I would say we could probably have something by next meeting for you That'd be great. Thanks. And again, I I think Okay, just to the parking piece is something that we get called out a lot and again This is a challenge where people live in areas that used to be able to park in front of their house And that parking spot's gone. It's is very inconvenient for those homeowners. We have I have been paying Or the city's been paying we're going to work it out. But jeff sadder and p great We've had extra duty officers out there every weekend until labor day And there has not been a whole lot of illegal parking. It's just a lot of parking So we've been watching that as well So we're trying to watch the public health issues from the masking distancing swimming boarding And parking and it's it's just going to be a lot of challenges I think it's something that we may want to look as a board on what the recommendations were for the master plan And if those are still obtainable objectives and what we want to do One of the one of the things I noticed was in the morning The people using the park not on the water now We're talking about the people on the sidewalks and you know, we're we're senior citizens until about 10 o'clock From then on until two or three in the afternoon. It's all young people Then about four or five It's senior citizens again It's a peculiar you know It's an interesting phenomenon in any case But the senior citizens weren't swimming. They weren't doing any water sports or anything. They were walking or walking their dogs or whatever So when you went when he went to city council david Did they direct you to have um Surveying done or what what was what were they did they give a direction or No, we we didn't um, it was really me trying to I think one of the challenges that we have is tried My goal was in the survey Was try to give council a broader perspective what's happening out there because it's it's Not to diminish the calls I get but the calls are coming from people are being directly impacted by the increased use So if that's the only information you're getting it's hard one staff or pd shows I'm gonna says well, you know, it really isn't as bad as That so what what does it really look like? So I was trying to give a little bit more objective Um a bit of information to council from people like rob and other volunteers that don't have it's not staffed as saying You know, it's it's fine and it's not the neighbor saying it's horrible So really for me was trying to skit a little better look at what was really happening out there throughout the day Different times of the day and as rob mentioned, you know, we were doing morning surveys afternoon evening and weekend so That was my real goal and I guess it was for Council but also for me is you know, trying to manage that facility and and hopefully for proud in this body too as we go forward um The information you typically get us from people that are complaining. This is hopefully a little bit broader broader view of what's happening out there I apologize Yeah, and I have to agree with rob and I know everyone agrees it would be very tragic for something to happen and then You know, of course have be very reactive because in the past things like that have happened and the ditches and so on where some child is drowned and Um, I would I know you want to be we all want to be proactive But is the signage really is there a lot of signage says no swimming or is it I don't go over there often enough to really remember Yeah Go ahead rob Talking to the people I was interviewing people too in addition to other things They all knew there was no swimming in macintosh lake. They knew that there wasn't one person didn't know it And yet there they were Out there swimming, you know, so I don't I don't know if a sign will solve the problem Particularly because of people it was a hot day. Now it was 90, you know I can understand them jumping in the water going for a swim But I'm just saying that they they knew that it was drinking water and they still went swimming so then the bathroom that the Out house or whatever seemed adequate For most of the people were in and out. They came they they went paddleboard. They brought our paddleboard out Got in their car and left. It wasn't like they spent any time in the park And I think those those are exactly the pieces of information we'll work because it's easy for me as And I will say someone's been doing this in a long of you can get jaded and say Science just won't do it because we have gone out there We've had volunteers putting up additional signs and they're all like well There's a sign right there that says it and we're putting another sign up right next to it that's going to get blown down So there was a little bit of you know, I think from the staff sign side that we we have sufficient signage And this just kind of helps Reaffirm that but I do think when you have people from other areas and stuff Providing people with enough information to help them do the right thing and make the right decision Is something I'd rather err in the side of doing that but it's just one of the tools in the toolbox and again It's not going to do it all though Jeff What are the possibilities of altering the parking to influence how the resource is used? So we've had our transportation group look at that and Again Looking at how those streets are designed to have cars parked along the side of the road on both sides And still allow for emergency vehicles and vehicles to get through there If you were to close down lakeshore drive They've moved one block to the west so the people who have a problem right now the problem be the people one block over And when you have a spot what i'm seeing other to and this is why I think the survey is important You're having dad drop the family and the blow-up paddleboard and the pop-up tent off right at the lake And then he just circles neighborhood looking for a spot at that spots one block two blocks or three blocks away um You're going to continue to have that sort of pressure. So Um, I think it's going to be a constant challenge of just if you just close down parking right up there There's push out and I'm just going to example. I'll give um, I was someone else's horrible Um user this last weekend. I had my first in-person race, which was great down at Sloan's lake And that poor neighborhood looking at through the lens. I look at it now You could not get an emergency vehicle through those streets It was there was just no place that wasn't packed in that neighborhood out there. So, um, I don't know how We move forward. I think we have to start looking at creative ways of of doing this but it it's something that I think with people Being asked to get outside and do things outdoors and keep distances These spaces have become very important to people. So I don't think we want to take them away But how do we manage them in a way that? keeps everybody safe Any other items from the board? Okay, saying none. Uh, we'll move to the second public invited to be heard So we're now going to open up the public invited to be heard The information will be displayed on the screen for those feeling from home Please dial 1-888-788-0099 and when prompted enter to a meeting id 879-378-108-59 We'll now take another five minute break to allow for people to call in Vice chair, we didn't have anybody call in for the public invited to be heard You're muted page Automatically muted If all the council can come back on camera, um, I'd like to Entertain a motion that we move to adjourn the meeting Sue I can't hear you, but I think you're moving to adjourn I I uh Make a motion that we adjourn the meeting I second the motion. Thank you Okay, all those in favor Okay Great. Thanks everybody Thanks. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thanks John. Good night. Thank you Bye. Bye


Live from Vancouver, Canada, it's theCUBE at OpenStack Summit Vancouver 2015. Brought to you by headline sponsors EMC and jointly by Red Hat and Cisco with additional sponsorship by Brocade and HP. Welcome back to SiliconANGLE TVs, live continuous coverage wall to wall from the OpenStack Foundation here in beautiful Vancouver. I'm Stu Miniman with wikibon.com. Excited to have with me two members of the OpenStack Foundation. Mark Collier just off the keynote stage this morning on day two is the Chief Operating Officer. Welcome back to the program. Thank you, thank you, it's exciting. All right, and Lauren Sell is the VP of Marketing, helping the community along in everything. Welcome to theCUBE. Great, thanks, Goddalla here. All right, so first of all, thank you. You know, we for the foundations helped us out a lot. This is our third year with the broadcast. I think it's our fifth or sixth OpenStack event that we've done. So we love that we get to document the history of what's going on here, talk about the growth, and Mark, we were debating on the intro this morning. How are we on that maturity spectrum? So I think you did a good job of kind of laying out where we are. My take on it was I think the pieces are in place and we're kind of close there and I put my analyst hat on. I say, I don't see any barriers to maturity. Is that fair? Do you think we're kind of there? If I gave a baseball analogy, what inning are we in for the maturity? Yeah, I mean, I think for, we've talked a lot about the compute storage and networking, those fundamental building blocks. That's the piece that we needed to solidify first. And there's all these things you can do on top of it. And so we're starting to kind of think about the world of OpenStack and different projects and kind of rings almost, like there's that core of those compute services. Those are the things that are maturing the fastest. And I think it's interesting if you look at like Walmart and some of these big users, you know, they're running in production, obviously like massive scale. But what's interesting is, you know, they're actually running usually things like Ice House or sometimes Juno.  So as they move forward with Juno and, you know, and all the way on to Liberty, you know, and Kilo, you know, that actually will show what that platform stability can do in real life, you know, as people go through those upgrades. Yeah, that's a great point. Actually something I haven't dug too much in, you know, where are users on what version that they're kind of using, you know, if you use kind of the phone analogy, you know, we know iPhone users, I think it was like 85% of them are on kind of current or N minus one. Android users, it's like less than 10%. Yeah, we actually just had our user survey come out the end of last week and I think it was 76% of users. Our Ice House are later right now. So people are staying pretty current. I mean, I think it was eBay this morning was talking about they're running Havana right now for their large scale, but generally people are fairly recent. Yeah, another stat from that user survey that speaks to the maturity pieces. You know, we do this survey periodically and if you look over the last year, a year ago, a third of the people who filled out the survey indicated that their cloud was a production cloud and now it's at 50%. So, you know, obviously there are people that are still in that proof of concept stage, but we're seeing more and more people that are telling us, okay, we're running production. Yeah, and I tell you, I love the survey data. We actually, we have it in our crowd chat. We've been talking about some of the numbers there. We had Red Hat talking about how Seth's doing and the like for me, Lauren, I wonder if you could talk a little bit about just participation, because once again, record breaking on how many people are here. When I do my quick math as to, okay, HP brought 100 or whatever people, Red Hat, everything else, there's still a lot of non-big-bender people here and growing is there's the people that kind of go every six months to all the shows and then there's the users and everybody else that are coming in. Yeah, well, we look at it from a couple of different directions. So, just in terms of the global community, I mean, one thing that we do and we make a huge investment in is moving the summit around. So, every six months, we're moving around. We do one in North America in the first part of the year and then we do one in either Europe or Asia the second part of the year and the attendance makeup really changes. So, in Europe, I think we had 47% attendees were from Europe and about 45% or so from the US and then here we have back to 85% from North America. So, moving around is really important and bringing new people in. I think yesterday they did a show of hands and how many people were first time attendees here in Vancouver was pretty amazing. And then what you're talking about just as far as the makeup, I mean, when we started this, I think the first design summit back in Austin in 2010, you know, there's 75 people in a room. It's all people are working for companies who have software developers that want to just start building this out. And now when you see all the users that are here talking, users that are organizing sessions and working groups, I mean, it's a really great mix. And I think that a lot of our sponsors have been happy too with how many users they've been able to reach here. All right, maybe to close out that thread, want to talk about, you know, Tokyo's the next one. Then you're going to be back in Austin and Barcelona, which I hear is becoming the Las Vegas of Europe. So... I love that it's Amsterdam, okay. By the way, can we come back to Vancouver because I love this place. Yeah. Oh, man. I know. We're actually talking about it. It's been amazing. I mean, we were giving away rain jackets this week because we thought for sure it was going to be raining all week and the weather's been incredible. All right. So, Mark, if I can go back to the keynote, one of the things I love the demo that you had with Google and Rackspace, my understanding is they put that together in about a week. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, we always kind of, I don't know, I'm guilty of this myself of sort of coming up with ideas at the last minute. And we started talking to some folks at Google and said, well, you know, when we talked to you before about Kubernetes and why you're excited about it and why you think OpenStack is an interesting platform for clouds out there, you know, they said, well, where we see this going is you can run the same app with the same code on an OpenStack cloud and you can also run it on a Google cloud. So I called them up and said, hey, that thing that you wanted to do one day, can we do it next week? Is that possible? Is this even like possible? And they said, yeah, let's look at it. And so Adrian and Sandip started working on it just like towards the end of last week. So it's kind of crazy. They pulled it off. Yeah. You know, if I look at things, if you said, where's the sandbox then I can play with stuff. You know, everybody talks about Amazon is that's where I can do test dev. They've got so many different tools and pieces that I can build and they go up the stack pretty well. I feel as your description of OpenStack as an integration engine, it's starting to get there where I can try stuff, you know, I can fail. It doesn't have, you know, huge investment. Didn't take me a year and millions of dollars to do it. Sure.  Yeah, I mean, I think that what we're learning as we talk to users and get the data from user survey and stuff is that there's certain common aspects of every OpenStack cloud, but there's all kinds of other variations depending on the workload that they want to run, depending on all their other business needs and requirements. In some cases they may want to run, you know, some of their production stuff on OpenStack. And you know, we heard from TapJoy at the last summit where, you know, they still run some stuff on Amazon and they have a high speed connection to Equinex, I believe, right nearby where they run, you know, a lot of their stuff on OpenStack. So, you know, people want choices, there's a complex world out there, there's no one solution for everybody. And so the integration engine concept is just really, it reflects kind of our core culture of put users first, they want to try different things, always embrace choice. And you know, don't try to get into the religious wars of, you know, this project versus that project or this technology or that company, just try to, you know, integrate with everything and it'll all work out as kind of our philosophy. Yeah, so I was actually talking to Sean Kerner, I believe it was, and we said, you know, what's the big thing that we've seen so far? And he said, you know what, there's no drama this week.   Yeah, I think so, I think so, I mean, yeah, we've, there's always drama that comes and goes in every community or in every technology movement, but I think that, you know, we're really reaching that point where you hear like, you know, eBay was talking about running 300,000 cores, and you know, I think that the users who are really the customers, right, of the ecosystem, they can really cut through the drama and say, okay, everybody get along, kids, we're going to work with a bunch of different partners, and it's all going to be open stack, it's all going to be, you know, open, and you know, they, and people fall in line when they hear from a user that big. Yeah, so we talked to Jonathan a little bit about Def Core, can you bring us some speed on the community app catalog, because that was a big announcement, causing some buzz. Yeah, so it really is another thing that's a direct response to what we've heard users say, which is, you know, we are doing things on top of open stack, you know, heat is part of, you know, one of the open stack projects, but when you use it, you use these templates, you could write them, so it's kind of that glue between the application developers, you know, and the infrastructure as a service, and so to be able to quickly spin up these environments is something, we've had this capability, there's hasn't been a place to share the recipes, if you will, and you know, there's a central repository, and it made sense to us to kind of spearhead this at the foundation, because you know, when you think about this open stack power planet, there's all these clouds you can plug into, you want to kind of a neutral body, if you will, a community led initiative, where you can have kind of a single catalog, and there are always going to be other catalogs out there, but one that's sort of, you can take that and deploy it to your cloud of choice, so it kind of fits with our philosophy. Yeah, so Lauren, there's so many things going out at this show, can you talk about a little bit of the balancing act between, you know, you've got, you know, the sessions, the keynotes, the show floor, many events going on, give our audience kind of a flavor of some of the things going on. Sure, well the open stack summit started out a while back, I guess five years ago, it was just the design summit itself, so it was purely developer working sessions, planning out what the next release of the software is going to be, and really that's evolved over time as we brought, you know, more users into the fold and start building out kind of the conference side, so this time we have the conference that's happening Monday through Thursday with a lot of the sessions, I think we have close to 500 sessions happening, and then the design summit's happening Tuesday through Friday, and the difference this time from Paris is the design summit actually is incorporating the operators working sessions as well, so we're trying to bring the, you know, contributing developers and the operators closer together, getting into the same sessions. We found before that there were a lot of the same topics that were happening in the operators track as there were happening in some of the design summit tracks, so it really, you know, they needed each other in the room each time, so it made sense to kind of bring these communities even closer together and work together, which is exciting. Wow, yeah, and I think, you know, just to add to that, you know, another thing that is new this year is as we think about, you know, integrating with all these other technologies is kind of welcoming those different communities in in a more formal way. We've always had people that work on related open source projects that are related some way to cloud or open stack, you know, come to our summit and hallways and we've done some stuff in the past, we really kind of put a bigger investment in this year, so you want to talk with the collaboration. So we have OPNFB group, so it's a group underneath the Linux Foundation, but they're basically doing like a midstream development for our, sorry, midstream distribution for NFB, so they were here on Monday, we had Ansible here, CoreOS, we're doing a container day today, so just trying to show, you know, what all is out there around the open stack ecosystem and bring them together.  Let me ask, you know, how do you kind of measure success for what's happening with the foundation and with the conference in general? I mean, one thing to say kind of more and more, you know, the maturity, you know, how do you guys look at that? I would say that, you know, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but it always comes back to users, right?   You know, what version are you on? Which projects are you evaluating or experimenting with? Are you familiar with, you know, these newer things like Magnum? You know, because as a user, you're not necessarily going to be living and breathing the open stack day to day that the rest of us are kind of doing. So, you know, just kind of reminding users of new developments and getting their feedback. Do you think this is going the right direction? So if we see more users coming, participating and we hear them say, hey, we're happy with what's going on with open stack, we want to expand our footprint. So we're kind of thinking about success a little differently now instead of just, okay, is this Fortune 500 company using it, but how big is it? They've been using it for two years, is it growing? You know, Comcast talked about how they grew their footprint 500% in the past year. So if you just look at it as logos on the slide, it's like, well, we had Comcast two years ago, we have Comcast now, but what the impact of the technologies making is far greater than it was when they got started. So that becomes another way to kind of cut it. Yeah, and by the way, I think you guys have done a great job of, you know, people always ask, well, the big companies are coming in, you know, HP puts 1,000 people on it. Cisco's pushing hard EMC, you know, huge booth this year, didn't even have a booth last year. How are the users still contributing? So the question I want to ask is, when the kind of the big tent model, I heard from some developers that said, you know, we want to work on, you know, the important stuff, and therefore if it's not core, you know, maybe I don't want to be working on that, and could that stifle innovation? Yeah, I think that, you know, we see kind of the opposite is that we're, you know, targeting with this model as the development community kind of rolls it out, which is typically developers are wanting to come together with other domain experts to solve interesting problems. And in the past, they would do that in sort of an ancillary way that wasn't really officially recognized as an OpenStack project. So now those different problems that people are wanting to solve, they can do it across companies, they can do it in the summit and online with all of the different tools and processes we have, and they can do it and, you know, more of that can be under sort of the OpenStack umbrella. Even if it's nascent, it's experimental, you know, we no longer sort of say, well, you know, let's wait to really help you. We want to provide resources at the design summit, rooms and sessions where people can meet. You know, that's what people are attracted to about OpenStack is the community, the development model, the sense that there's a center of gravity that if you want to do important stuff in cloud, you come here, you're in the hallways. I mean, these people look like they're having a good time. So, you know, it's a fun way to solve problems.  No offense, not to the cube, but you know. Yeah, I think exactly what you said. I mean, the Big 10 model is actually helping us recognize more projects. And so developers are getting to work on these official OpenStack projects, and they don't feel like they're just stuck in the Stackforge repo or whatever else. Yeah, Mark, I've never heard being on the cube to being in a cubicle, so that's a new one. All right, the last big question I have is, you know, making money off of open source stuff is really hard. Did you guys from the foundation standpoint help companies kind of think through that, figure out their business models? I mean, companies like Red Hat, you know, do a good job with it, but it took them 15 years to get to a billion dollars. Other companies, you know, I'll take Cisco as an example, is newer to working heavily in open source. We talked to Sam Ramsey yesterday. I know that the Linux Foundation, their foundation, you all talk plenty. How do you help kind of the business community monetize this? Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously the ecosystem being, you know, successful is very important to us, and we think very important to the success of OpenStack. So I think just, you know, helping them engage, I mean, the companies that are really engaging in the community the right way and the technical community in influencing the direction and being good community members have also been the ones that we've seen that have been very successful on the business side as well.  And just to give a specific example, you know, one of the things we're doing the last few summits is we conduct upstream university training. And so a lot of newer companies getting involved in OpenStack will send their developers who maybe aren't as familiar with OpenStack processes or maybe they're not even familiar with open source. And they have, it's right before the summit. So I think the day or two before, and it's just been growing, there's so much demand because people want to understand, you know, how do I be successful in the community? And so we're providing that directly as, you know, as an organized effort to try to help people be productive when they engage in the community. Yeah, and other than that, we're always just trying to help kind of lower the barrier to entry for startups and helping make sure that we have a really active community there. So, you know, whether it's really simple things like making sponsorship prices really affordable for startups or helping, you know, put a spotlight on them is something we really focus on too. All right, so, you know, we're almost at the midway point, you know, getting close to that, you know, talking to the users, talking to the people at the show, any takeaways you want to share so far or that, you know, when people leave Vancouver, you know, what do you want them saying about the show and about OpenStack? Yeah, well, I mean, I hope that they really take away the culture of the OpenStack community and I think that people feel it here. I mean, whether it's just like, you know, the feel of the show floor or the design, it's not just another industry conference, but the big things that we're focusing on this week is, you know, interoperability, those core services coming together and then how you innovate on top of that and, you know, that's why we divided the keynotes the way that we did. That's how we structured a lot of the content this week. So, I hope that's the big takeaway for people. Yeah, I mean, she said it all. Yeah, so, you know, so far, look, I could give you guys high grades. I love the community here. I had a great time in Atlanta.  It's fun people to hang out with. I think you've done a great job. Thank you. You know, highlighting some of the pieces here. So, we love hanging out at this time, so. Yeah, this is great. Thanks, and you know, we've, sometimes we put a kind of corporate backdrop behind. We got the people here kind of feel it there, see the ships coming in and out. I love it. It's gorgeous here. I heard a lot of laughter from random people going by, so that's just a good sign to me. That's the real success metric. How much laughter do you get during the week? Absolutely, so much time we talk about the product and highlighting the people is, you know, a huge part of the community here. All right, so, you know, I think we'll leave it there. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Lauren and Mark, you know, thank you for all you've done for the community and you know, for helping support theCUBE here at the program. I'm Stu Miniman with wikibon.com. We've got lots more coverage here from the show over the next day and a half, so stay tuned and watch all the video.


So just a little brief history lesson what we're actually going to be working on in this class is we're going to be working on Java Fx, but as you can see sort of this kind of image here is showing more of a timeline and the way we can think about it is once upon a time when Java was really starting to get fleshed out with GUIs they introduced the AWT Graphics kind of library now the problem with it was it was platform specific. What that means is basically You know Java runs anywhere, but if I said oh, I want to use a checkbox And then run this in Windows well guess what it's gonna look like a Windows checkbox versus if I go to a Macintosh It was looking like a Macintosh checkbox now. You're probably saying okay. That makes no sense But from a design standpoint well it looks different on two different products It might look bad on another product and two if you're a company looking to kind of establish your brand You don't want someone changing your brand on the fly so What they did is they started to flesh out this by introducing something called swing now swing has kind of been the de facto For the longest time You know back in my day again. That's why it's there back in my day I learned AWT swing was the new kid on the block and well, that's what it was It was the new kid on the block. We weren't taught it You had to go on the internet back in the day when you had AOL search No Google and we had to pretty much look it up and see kind of where that was coming from now Again swings been around for a long time the problem with swing However, is it really only works best for desktop applications and guess what? We all have one of these things now that we all stare at when we're kind of going to bed at night And well, it works a little differently same kind of thing our web pages. We go to so many web pages I want you to take a second pause the video and literally list off 20 different programs that you use on a regular basis on your computer go Okay, now take that same kind of pause and name 20 different websites that you use on a regular basis You know Pandora spotify groove shark Sansa reddit dig Y Combinator Google Facebook MySpace that a didn't even have to bother trying with that one. Well That's the case is now, you know, we've got this web development side of things So we we probably need to kind of work with that And so that's actually again what we are going to be dealing with we're gonna be dealing with Java X It's sort of the successor to swing now that little quote there swing is essentially dead What that means is swing is no longer being developed if there's any bugs in swing well that sucks because We're now using Java FX it's you know just like The old timey Microsoft Office when it went from 2000 to 2003 we're using doc X now, but I still use doc files Suck it. That's pretty much how it works. That's you know, it's not a bad thing. It's just we have to upgrade and move on So now we're dealing with Java FX which allows me to work off the desktop websites and Mobile friendly devices if you've maybe danced around a little bit with some Android Work you might have seen some of the things because again Java FX allows me to kind of do the same things


Blessings upon Imam Hussain A.S. in these holy ten nights of Muharram where we are here, in the holy city of Qalbala, lamenting the tragedy of Imam Hussain A.S. and his brother Abu Fadr al-Abbaz A.S. of course. Today is a very special night, especially for the people who are commemorating here in the city of Qalbala because tonight is dedicated to the half-brother of Imam Hussain A.S. whose name echoes in the hearts of every love of Hussain and every believer of Allah SWT. Every true believer of Allah SWT that is the name of Abu Fadr al-Abbaz A.S. We know the story of Abbas very well and it suffices to say that his sacrifice was so great. His selflessness was so great that Allah SWT in his justice rewarded him with a shrine almost as glorious and as beautiful as the shrine of Imam Hussain A.S. himself. And it's tonight where we remember the story of Abu Fadr al-Abbaz. We remember the story of his sacrifice and his selflessness, but also while we remember it, while we lament for his tale, we also remember the epitome, the morals that he, the epitome of moral that he was and the lessons that he left behind for us to follow. And one of the greatest lessons he left behind for us is that of patience. So today inshallah we're going to be tackling the topic of patience, the idea of patience and how we can ensure that in our lives continuously and throughout our daily lives we can hold on to patience. As we know, life is very hard while we try our best to describe the patience. Sometimes we falter, sometimes we're not able to be patient enough as Allah SWT wants us to be. So inshallah today in this discussion we'll say to Ali Nawab we shall be looking at patience and asking ourselves just how we can really hold firm onto patience the same way that Fadr al-Abbaz himself held on to patience. Sayyid alaihi salamu alaykum. Salam alaykum wa rahmatullah. Thank you so much for joining us once again. Thank you. So if you can start off this segment, just by telling us what exactly is patience in terms of the Islamic definition of patience, sabr, what does it mean? As-salamu alaykum, Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem. Dear viewers and visitors of the Master of Mata Zabi Abdullah al-Hussain al-Alihi salam, welcome to the land of Karbala' and tonight inshallah we will focus on the issue of patience, sabr, and the lessons we can take to actually implement sabr and patience into our lives because life without patience is not worthy of living and Islamically, patience has been described for occasions where one is saddened or goes through a tragedy and needs to practice a certain way of life or a certain lifestyle so he is able to go through that tragedy and that patience or sometimes something harmful he goes through something that will harm him either physically or mentally internally so here it is said that if he is able to refrain himself from entering into that harmful exercise or that harmful substance then that is called patience to keep himself away to refrain himself from doing that harmful act so these things all prevent this person who is able to become patient to stop him from falling into sins because all types of patience protects mankind from falling into sins Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala in the Holy Quran in description of those who are able to be patient and exercise sabr he says Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem wabashir al-sa'abireen al-in wabashir al-sa'abireen al-lathina itha asa'abatum moseeba note here the word moseeba tragedy has been used wabashir al-sa'abireen and give glad tidings to those who are patient when they fall into a tragedy al-lathina itha asa'abatum moseeba haqalu they say they give acknowledgement inna lillah wa inna ilayhi rajaoon that we are from Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala we belong to Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala and to him we shall return and this is the spoken words of the Mu'mineen the believers because at times we see the non-believers they are not able to practice patience and they fall into different problems problem after problem and tragedy after tragedy moseeba after moseeba why for the sole reason that they were not able to be patient in their lives at times we fall into pity things Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala is testing us continuously there isn't a day that goes through our lives in which Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala is not testing Bani Adam Allah continuously says oh mankind oh bani Adam I have created you to test you to put you in a state of Bala and and the result and then you want to see which one of you is able to present their actions in the best of ways in the best of forms so wabashir al-saberin al-ladina if a sabah moseeba call we're not in law we're in a layhi raja on in Bihar al-anwar which carries the traditions and a hadith of a hellel bait in regards with patience there is a very beautiful narration that says an ashram a sabr victory comes as a result of patience now at times that victory may be if you yourself you're fighting with the devil or you are fighting with the nafsil lawama or you are fighting against the corruption that you see around you if you become patient in facing those problems you will receive victory you will be victorious well faraj al-maal karm and then wa inna maal usri usra again another portion in the holy Quran fa inna maal usri usra inna maal usri usra Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala repeats this sentence this phrase and this paragraph in the holy Quran to ensure that mankind know that at times you feel that you're in trouble you're in pain you're in difficulty Allah has brought down his bala upon you do not neglect the fact that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala after every misery after every trouble after every test he will reward you with yusr with ease as a result of your patience and that at the end shows how strong the intellect is if the mind and the intellect is strong you will be able to see that someone is patient against tests and and one thing it makes me think of when you think about how close patience is ready to face and how close to two are ready to intellect because if we use the intellect we understand that if we look at life not just in the context of our own lives but life in the context of an afterlife as well the fact that the afterlife is the real life it sounds very simple to say when you think about life in that context nothing that happens here ultimately matters if you go through a hard time here in the wider context of things you're going to be more awarded when you go to the afterlife so that helps you bear it by using your intellect to have that patience which in itself requires faith discuss that Amir al-Mu'minin aleyhi salam links this dunya in terms of sabr and patience and the result of the Akhirah the holy prophet salallahu aleyhi wa aleyhi wasalam speaks to his companions be patient but inna ma al-usri yusra Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala comes and speaks to the holy prophet and he says to him fasbar wama sabr kabillah be patient and take that patience from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala remember that everything the source of everything is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala sometimes we face problems we face tragedies we are tested every day and when we are patient and we come out as victorious individuals we neglect to remind ourselves that the fact that I was able to pass that hurdle and that difficulty in my life was as a result of Allah's blessing upon me because patience is a nama Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala through the holy prophet and aleyhi salam they continuously advise mu'mineen in all walks of life in all walks of life they they advise the little one to be patient the parents at home you see they advise the little one at all stages be patient not everything you need is going to be in your favor aleyhi salam they advise the youth that they have to practice patience don't run behind your lusts and your desires and your interests at times you will have to hold back you have to pull off from your desires and your lusts because if you feed that soul and if you give it everything it needs then you will fall and you will never be able to stand up again aleyhi salam they advise married couples they advise those who are newly wed there are many narrations Rasulullah and aleyhi salam they come and advise those who are newly wed to be patient with one another because it's a new life it's a new start it's a new beginning you've just come to realize and come to know your partner at times you might face some difficulties in your life be patient it's one two days or three days and then life will go on and the successful the successful couples are those who are able to be patient be patient from day one say to yourself I am going to be patient my husband for example his a clock is not what I wanted or my wife at home she's not the wife that I was looking for Allah says you have two choices you either become patient and Allah will reward both the husband being patient upon the wife and the wife being patient upon the husband's a clock Allah will reward them with the paradise it's all reward in the air after there's no point waiting for reward in this life because this life is one or two days and then it will finish but we always look and strive to get rewarded in the air after in kanzu l-amal Rasulullah sallallahu aleyhi wa aleyhi wasallam says man yata subbar whoever is able to be patient you subbar Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala will help and support this individual to be patient wa ma'a ta'ala abidun khair ou sa'umina sabr see how beautiful that is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says through the holy prophet wa ma'a ta'ala abid there is no better thing that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given the servant better and and wider and bigger than patience so what is the philosophy of patience patience is divided into three categories in the islamically in the islamic jurisprudence patience over calamity as sabr wa ta'ala patience over obedience was sabr wa ma'a sa'umina patience over disobedience now patience over calamity over bala imam hussain aleyhi sallam i just remember this beautiful portion of of his sermons on the way to karbala and nas abidun dunya people are slaves of this pretty world if they were to be tested with bala and imam is saying the majority of the people of this life they lose out and nas abidun dunya if they were to be tested with bala in kitab al kafi the second part imam sadaq aleyhi salam says imam sadaq aleyhi salam says from the believers and the faithful those who are practicing their lives and they're practicing their deen and their religion according to the school of thought of ahlul bayt aleyhi salam especially those youth the shabab because the west and the media and the different types of problems emotionally physically mentally are all directed towards the youth if those youth of those shabab are able to be patient in those circumstances and in those situations imam sadaq what does he say manub tuliya minal mu'mineen bi bala'in fa sabara aleyhi if you are tested and you become patient kanalahu and the thawab and the blessings and the reward from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is what kanalahu myth al ajr al shaheed when we talk about shaheed we talk about those brave companions of abi abdallah al hussain how high status they have they made the hardest decision in the world they made the most difficult of decisions but then they were rewarded those youth the mu'mineen the shabab our brothers and sisters if they hold back and they become patient in times of masaib in times where the shaytan and the devil and the people around you and surrounding you are doing their best to drag you down in terms in terms of akhlaq and ethics and moral in time in terms of hijab and modesty and protecting your existence as a muslim as a muslimah carrying the banner of Islam carrying the banner of abi abdallah al hussain which was the banner of reform the reform as they say charity starts at home reform starts with yourself if you are able to protect yourself protect your modesty then you will be able to go out there and protect and save those around you inshallah that is clear and and imam al baqir all of these traditions i have brought because muharram and ashura and the majlis of abi abdallah al hussain are universities the least we can say is a university that we sit down and learn and practice those things that ahlul bayt aleyhi wassalam teaches us and today's lesson is about patience if you want to reach jannah it's not easy you think that is that's it you live a couple of days in this life you enjoy yourself and then Allah swt is all merciful he will come and reward you with the jannah without any exams without any test no imam al baqir aleyhi salam says and the one who is able to become patient in this dunya Allah swt will reward them with the pariahs that was patience over masaib calamity now let's come to patience over obedience what does that mean that means that Allah swt for example has told me that you have to pray five times a day salah in example salat al subh and it is the most difficult of times for someone in our age inshaAllah we acknowledge ourselves to be youth to wake up at four in the morning at five in the morning especially if you have stayed up stayed up late with your friends outside we have to wake up early for work and early to school so salat al subh he's saying okay if i don't wake up it's no problem i will be able to do qabah no patience over obedience is that Allah swt says if you want to show me obedience you show me obedience in your salah in your soul in your ibadat in your akhlaq wake up for salat al subh you're showing obedience to Allah swt you have been patient why because you are depriving yourself from that cozy bed from sleeping and you're saying oh Allah because i want to show my obedience to you i have woken up to pray patience over fasting especially if you're fasting in hot countries or in countries where the fasting is in long hours this is a type of sabr imam alayhi salam says in the book of irshad al quloob patient in obedience of Allah swt imam alayhi says that is easier than being patient over his ma'asi or doing the ma'asi and Allah will subhanahu wa ta'ala eventually place you in the hellfire inna wajadna al sabr ala ta'at illahi aiser easier if we if we are obedient to Allah swt ala sabr ala adabe and the third point patients over disobedience is clear you are disobeying Allah swt and the verse of the qawli quran outlines this point sabrin and those individuals who accepted the message of the prophets and those who some stage in their lives were disobeying Allah swt but when their call of the prophet and the messenger was received by them they obeyed the holy prophet and they strived towards obedience towards Allah swt and they left the actions that they disobeyed Allah swt in Allah swt says Allah will love them and what does it mean when Allah loves you Allah loves you and he will place you in jannah and those who are patient Allah will love and sometimes we are patient because we are lovers of abu abdullahi because we are lovers of abu abdullahi and people are attacking us left right and center so because of that love we are patient and we will be rewarded when Rasulullah says and whoever Allah loves they will be rewarded with the paradise there are some things that interest you in life some desires some interests amirul mu'minin says by using patience by exercising patience you will be able to overpower your lusts and your interests Allah swt in the holy quran says how can you do tazkiye to the soul how can you purify the soul the only way is to do is to practice patience to have al-ukul you see how much i am bombarding you with this rwayat and ahadith because patience is the most important thing in our lives and if we are able to exercise patience especially in our life Allah swt will reward us the best of rewards to have al-ukul if you want to calculate and draw a comparison between the time you spend on earth in this life and the time in the hereafter the time you spend on earth is not even equivalent to one hour and that brings back to what i was saying about thinking about life in context and the afterlife as well and say we have about 15 minutes left inshallah so if you can conclude this you mentioned some amazing points about patience i'm very very inspired and i hope that inshallah as i mentioned when i when we began this series i hope that each and every single one of us when we come to the morning of namah and say in islam for the 10 days of muharam one thing that we can try to do is take something that we need to improve on in our lives and try and aim towards that over the course of the 40 days that is from the first of muharam till the our brain of muhamsin islam me personally i'm going to try my best inshallah said with your advice and your support to try and be a bit more patient i think these are very beautiful hadith that i've tried to that really inspired me as well and i'm sure it's by many at home to kind of take this on board if you can kindly conclude this topic and also link it toward the person who we are here to lament today which who is of course the father of patience for the father of patience just to conclude with a with a a river or a hadith imam hussain aleyhis salam in the books of maqatil he says it is recorded that imam hussain after praying salat al-subh inna hussain salla bi ashabihi al-ghadat salat al-subh then he looked at his companions he said that Allah has given us permission to go and fight for his cause the only thing that imam advises his companions is patience and then imam hussain aleyhis salam says one of the onama was saying that abel fadl al-abbas he reached a level of aynolyaqeen aynolyaqeen means there are times where you don't see the yakeem or you don't see that thing but you have yakeen that it exists and there is aynolyaqeen is that you have yakeen and then you see that thing which adds to that yakeen abel al-mumineen aleyhis salam says lady zaynab is described in the ziyarah as jamel al-sabr abel fadl al-abbas when you read his ziyarah what do you say al-mujahid al-sabr al-mujahid when you read the ziyarah aleyhis salam when you do sabr and when you have yakeem then that's it you have passed your tests there is nothing even if the devil brings all of his workers to try to pull you towards the desires of this life he will never be able to be successful al-abbas when you read ziyarah again al-hassani wal-hussain the best of rewards and as a result what is the jaza to see your brother and his children face thousands of warriors on the battlefield and you can stand there and be patient is a big thing on many occasions abel fadl al-abbas aleyhis salam came to his brother hussain lakad nafa nasabri i cannot take it anymore oh brother give me allow me give me your word i'm waiting for that okay for you from you so i can go to the battlefield abey abdillah hussain said to his brother akhiya hussain and that is after all companions became martyrs and fell on the plains of karbala bani hashim one by one went starting with ali al-akbar al-qasim the brothers of al-qasim and the rest until abel fadl al-abbas was the only left soldier in the camp of abey abdillah hussain he came he said akhiya hussain these children sukayna rukayya the little ones are begging me for some water because in the event of ashura abel fadl al-abbas on different occasions was able to go to the river and bring water that's why one of the titles of abel fadl al-abbas was assaqqaa assaqaa the ones who brings water oh brother hussain these children they are requesting water from me hima hussain alayhis salam says akhiya abel fadl ifa anta the hapt wa quatilt fa inna yawlu jam'una ila shatat if you go and never come back what am i going to do my camp is going to be shattered go bring water for these kids abel fadl comes bids farewell to his sister zaynab and the little children and abey abdillah al-hussain hugs it is narrated that abey abdillah and abel fadl hugged each other and they cried for a long time because i think they both knew abu abdillah and abel fadl they both knew that this is the last time they are going to be able to see each other in that state and then abey abel fadl al-abbas rides on his horse and charges towards the farad it is narrated that umar bin sa'ad had placed 4 000 soldiers on the banks of the farad abel fadl being the brave warrior and the son of aliyy ibn amy talib was able to access the farad he entered the farad he took and took a room from the water brought it next to him he looked at the water and he started reciting these pieces of poetry me he throws the water back he fills the water container and he started making his way back because his only responsibility and what abey abdillah had asked him to do is to bring the water back to the khayam abel fadl al-abbas rides back charging towards the enemies and wanting to reach the tents in the in the safest of ways and in the best of ways one of the enemies hides behind one of the palm trees in the name of zaid ibn warqa and he was aided by hakeem or hakeem ibn al-tufail they hide behind one of the palm trees as abel fadl was making his way towards the khayam this zaid ibn al-warqa raises his sword and strikes abel fadl on the right hand abel fadl al-abbas starts saying abu fadl takes the sword in his left hand and charged towards the tents hakeem ibn al-tufail hides behind another tree raises his sword and strikes it on the left hand of abu fadl abu fadl no sword to fight with stands there not knowing what to do takes the water container on his teeth and says ya nafs la takhshay ibn al-kufari wa ibn was tabshiri ibn rahmat al-jabbari in that situation abu fadl with his seventh right and left still wants to take the water container to the khayam why because he promised to kain that he will come back with the water here the enemies they didn't know what to do umar ibn saad says if a single drop of that water reaches the tents then abu abdel lahil hussein is going to wipe all of you from the face of this earth do whatever it takes the enemies of Allah they started hitting abu fadl with stones and rocks some of them they started showering abu fadl with their arrows one of the arrows pierced the water container abu fadl noticed the water is dispersing here he stood there no arms to fight with no water to be taken to the tents in that situation one of the enemies came and struck one of the arrows to the right eye of abu fadl abu fadl's eye started bleeding heavily another enemy came and struck abu fadl with a metal arrow with a metal stick on the head of abu fadl abu fadl falls to the ground it was then that he heard the mother of abu abdel lah phatemat al-sahra calling out wala di abbas wah wala dah wah abbasah here abu fadl says i called out wah akha wah hussein ah abu abdel lah charges towards the enemies killing ibn al-tufail and arrives at the body of abu fadl he was holding one one hand on his bag abu fadl abu fadl's head is bleeding heavily imam hussein comes towards abu fadl abu fadl says because he didn't know who's coming and arriving at his side abu abdel lah says i heard my brother say until my brother hussein comes and i bid him farewell imam hussein says he takes the head of abu fadl place it in his lab abu fadl takes his head and places it back on the ground he does that three times abu abdel lah says akhiya abal fadl why do you take your head out of my lab abu fadl says akhiya hussein now you put my head in your lab but an hour later who is going to put your head in their lab abu abdel lah makes his way back to the tent how is he going to tell lady zaynab that abu fadl has been killed has been martyred the only way he was able to inform the family and little sikaina was he came to the tent of abu fadl he came he went inside the khaym he took the pillar of the khaym and he pulled the pillar the tent of abu fadl came down to the ground it was then that lady zaynab strikes her head and shouted brother abbas you was the one that brought me from madina to karbala come back and take me back to the gland of my grandfather rasulillah sallallahu alayka ya abal fadl al abbas we send our peace and blessings upon abu fadl abbas islam and his brother islam sallallahu alayka on this tragic night where we are lamenting abu fadl abbas and as we know abu fadl is meant to be a door to wishes you can see his beautiful glorious shrine behind me and we pray inshallah abu fadl abbas we pray abu fadl abbas through the intercession that Allah's power through the intercession of abu fadl abbas islam grants all of our wishes removes all of our hardships and gives us the patience to bear any calamities that may come our way inshallah inshallah we'll be joined by say the ayah hakeem after the break we're signing some beautiful latinism inshallah we'll see you then asalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah