I don't know, but I just lay low. That's it. Yeah, it's worked for you so far blurring out your face It's working. Yeah, you don't need to fix it Let me yeah, so I was watching me last week Yeah, who's and whose face pops in for this one little thing Jeff Really? That's funny Little little solo rule I love it man Jeff who's our he jets our chat room mod So he keeps you know, you can make sure all the questions come in so we see them We have a rundown Google document that we use every week has all the show notes and He puts it in there for us to make it easy So we're not like skimming the chat room for questions, you know, right? And but Jeff is an actor. I mean he's on camera. He does a lot of shows and You know, he does a lot of the supporting roles Good parts, but he's been what he's been working. Yeah. Well, at least he was in the years. He at least he was Yeah, boy, well, I I got into a lot of trouble with exo birth this week Boy, she is You know how intimidating she is anyway, but yeah, we put out a statement at you're gonna talk about this now That we're actually alive. Yes Okay Just just check he's probably she's probably watching Dan is the ultimate leave the microphone on the toilet guy you gotta watch out No, I don't mean that literally Just speaking when you probably everybody doesn't have a toilet mic. I Just keep one in my bathroom I'm updating the web page right now I just put some title and a link to the YouTube channel me in the web page. So that's done You know, I just have the recording sign on one the one bathroom Dan's bathroom is a history of radio or audio Yeah The sink is a repurposed side-by-side Console radio where you know one side was the turntable. The other side was the Receiver this was like the 70s 60s 60s really right that was the radio that was in there Yeah, he took the radio out and he took the turntable out and now there's a sink where the turntable was It's great. It's cool. It's a good idea coolest bathroom sink ever Um Let's see. Yeah, all right. So all right. So yeah, if you find another video I could pre-roll or run at the beginning of our segment Judt. Yeah, I was looking for something here I haven't found anything. I mean while I'm looking for tech stories. So you do that. Oh, okay Like yeah, we do two hours. So the first hour is where is our topic tonight? And then the second hour That was tech just tech. Yeah. Yeah, boy voiceover tech stuff. So gotcha when we finish at the top of the hour Let's see how many people decide to join in. I'm still kind of like what is it with you folks? I see nine of you watching this show, but none of you want to be on it If you're professional voice actors, you can't be shy, you know They love being entertained. They love coming on asking questions and watching but they're afraid to interact Well, I'm glad we're entertaining That is the point actually if we weren't entertaining we wouldn't have been doing this show for 12 years. I guess I guess no Hopefully people learn something from time to time. Yeah, I Am looking for some Interesting new tech stories. I don't have much to say. Maybe I'll touch on 32-bit recording again Okay, and that you're if you think you're doing it. You're probably not Yeah Like a 32-bit float recording. It's like yeah, well 80. Yeah. Yeah, you have to understand the tools You have to know how things are set up. You have to understand how that how it actually works. You can't just oh I I have 32-bit float. It's an option in Adobe audition People will see that and think I'm good. You know, they don't know you don't know what you don't know So maybe I'll talk about that Demystifying Fine 32-bit low recording.  And it's probably most of those lower bits are getting used up on the noise floor Well, I'm getting road to finally send me one of those fifth gen road NT one fifth gen they have a new USB mic that does 32 bit float recording and I'm getting them to send me one so I can do some videos about it. I wrote the rock I wrote the contact from VO Atlanta rock was names Ryan I Said you think you gave me one of those mics You probably sent three thousand out to YouTube influencers by now, but if you got one more would you send one to me? He said I think you know, I mean, it's like, you know, it replaced Jacobs, you know 2020 they are almost I would say in normal times. It was almost impulse by cheap But not quite enough for me. No right now. It's still a deal at 249. It's a hell of a deal at 249. Yeah Yeah, fifth gen Yeah, when I get one, I'll do I'll do a video about it It'll hopefully demystify it a bit because it is definitely another one of those to mystify if you like I'm still getting people saying I save everything as 16-bit mp3 and it sounds terrible. I'm like Well, I guess I got to talk about that too 16-bit wave is Not 16 bit kill a bit per second per second mp3 Here's why okay. All right now in the chat. All right. I got my top. We're good. Okay good Yeah, in the chat room people are saying they'll be on let's see who'd like to say the Armand Henry Yeah, who wants to come on and talk about AI and what they use in their business who's who's got the guts anybody got the guts Man whenever I scroll down and in reddit right now on the AI video subreddit It just crashes Chrome first or crashes Safari for some reason. Whoa There's just too many. I don't know what's going on. Whoa. That's freaking crazy. It's just totally crashing Safari Wow, so I'm having trouble searching for a better video. Okay. Well, we definitely have some new listeners, which is great Bettina there's some new names in here. I haven't seen this a client of mine In young Igma can thank a bae. He's been he's been with us for a while. Yeah Bettina hi KW Nelson Thanks for coming Cool. Well, let me just make sure so the the website's up to speed the Facebook is Rockin YouTube yeah, we also streaming on LinkedIn. Yeah, we are We're simulcast everywhere platform All right five o'clock Think we're ready to Think we're ready to go we're gonna watch pursue at the bottom of our screen to give us the hand signals to scientists So we're gonna do Justin we're just gonna do a real quick cold open where Dan says hey everybody and tonight we got Justin you're gonna say hey everybody And then we have commercials a show intro So you'll be off-camera for all that and then we'll bring you back on again. Very good. So Got it. All right Good to go. Okay. Cool. All right. Here we go four or three two Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop. How is everybody doing? Well, everybody's talking about AI Good bad, how can it help you and your business aside from perhaps taking it away? And we have a special guest tonight Justin. Oh, hi say hi Justin. Hello. All right And he doesn't he according to George He's the expert on AI that he relies on in my little world Well, you said everybody's talking about it, but nobody's doing it I think it's everybody's doing it and nobody's everybody's afraid to talk about it So we're gonna we're gonna find out what what some tricks are tonight and and how we're all using it in our own limited ways and Even even we even get sue To pop her face on screen because she's used it for a very good use case for her so absolutely So if you got a question throw it in the chat room If you'd like to be on a little bit later on in the show and tell us how you use it or how terrified you are of it Put that in the chat room as well, and we'll try and get you on It's time for voiceover body shop right now Voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials comm the home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements the folks who bring you source connect the oh heroes comm become a hero to your clients with award-winning voice over training Voice actor comm your voice over website ready in minutes Voice over extra your daily resource for voice over success and by world voices the industry Association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts Dan and George Well, hello there. I'm the very analog Dan Leonard I'm the partially digital George Woodham, and this is voice over body shop or V.O. B Alrighty Well another week another voice over body shop, and but everybody's talking about this AI people are scared of it But apparently it has lots of very good uses. How do you use it George? I'm very limited at how I use it right now. I know and this is I'm having this show taught partly or purely Selfish reasons because I want to learn I was really hoping we get a few more users on but we've got a couple that are using it more than I Some more than others, but for me, I'm using it in three distinct ways I can talk about it more as we go on, but I'm using First of all, I'm using a video editor that Uses a lot of AI driven tools to improve your productivity called Descript and There are tools in Descript I choose not to use and some that I do like to use But the key one that I use is it helps me speed up editing because it's transcribing everything So it knows every word I'm speaking and it will find when I'm saying redundant Things if I'm stuttering and saying oh man, uh, it will detect detect it will detect ohms and let me remove them When it finishes a video and finds 200 ohms That's embarrassing And it will remove gaps in the video where there's long pauses So it helps me very quickly do a sort of a pre-edit of a YouTube video or a vlog I'm doing right so that's one way another way. I'm using it is in a new CRM called clothes well new to me not new but clothes as a CRM that was really written for Really for realtors But hence the name clothes but I'm starting to use it for my purposes and better communication better sales and marketing and it's got chat GPT Baked into it and it uses it on the back end for certain Smart things that it does with your email. So those are two Key ways that I make use of it, you know on any kind of a regular basis I'm probably using it ways that I don't even know I'm using it for that matter But then audio processing tools to right we all have been playing around with chat We've been playing around with waves clarity vx I've been playing as something called hush audio app as an incredibly good drag-and-drop noise reduction echo remover so Those are a few ways that I'm using them Dan How do I do using I I in your day-to-day life? I tell my kids who are looking for jobs have them write your cover letter Your resume and stuff They know how to do it. You know like I said, I'm mr. Analog. I am totally old school Doesn't mean I haven't used it I had a right of speech for for a presentation and I said write a speech for this and Basically regurgitated back everything I've ever written about what I was talking about Right, which I thought was rather interesting, but I haven't really used it very much But then like you said, who knows if you're using it or not Yeah, you know what it's artificial intelligence apparently covers a very broad ground It's a broad. It's a very broad topic of technology. Sometimes we use it and enter Interchange it with machine learning, right? but It's an it's fascinating technology Well, I haven't heard it recently. I heard that Sarah Silverman Have you heard the story about Sarah Silverman? She is going after I believe it's She going after Microsoft one in one of the companies because She said listen, I'm seeing results that are coming from my intellectual property that I've written That to me looks like Essentially plagiarism and so you're using my content my original creation my writing from a book that I wrote right and you're pulling content from the book that I'm selling and Reusing that information and she looks at that as copyright infringement so she's Trying from her perspective to fight against that so I don't think she's gonna win but you know There's there's people that are looking at it as a negative for sure because they think that they're like It's literally taking away my my intellectual property Fascinating well, why don't you why don't you introduce our guests because I've not noticed and before and and you know We have to blur out his last name for some reason Well Justin knows more about this stuff than a lot of us, which is why he likes to maybe slightly anonymize himself because He said I don't want to come up on the search engines from talking on this show today Which is totally fine. So we're gonna keep them anonymous, but I've known Justin a long time known as since childhood He's always been kind of bleeding edge about uses of modern technology and business and and in his different technical careers He's a I'll probably misspoke when I say misspeak and when I say this But Judd is a computer engineer or hardware engineer. He knows how to build Technology around circuitry and software and has worked for a lot of different companies over the year He's a hell of a good guy. He's he's a great companion for any outdoor activity. You can come up with he's always game And he's a good dude. It's great to have him and thank you for showing up to help us tonight and supporting us tonight Justin here he is Thank you for that amazing introduction Well, it's it's fun to have you man, this is a long time coming. I'm sorry. Thanks for doing it at the last minute Oh, no problem. Be a glad to be a voice of someone that's making a lot of use of the of the technology and just to in your day-to-day life, so What is your day-to-day life? What are you doing now as a career at the moment because career shift? They do At them so yeah, historically most of my career has been and called in basically the field of Which is it again because that was the moment where the internet decided to pull all over you. Oh, it's completely embedded Yeah in embedded engineering, so like micro like a microcontrollers designing electronics and firmware and Putting all those things together I started out actually working in the video and audio hardware market for about five years and Design high-end audio and video gear So for so you you're someone that intimately understands firmware like yeah, you yeah I spend them over a decade or two now developing firmware and And designing electronics Yeah, so firmware is how would you describe for people that people hear this word they see something on the computer saying you must update your Firmware, but what in a nutshell what is firm? I mean the the lines are blurred as we get further and further You know between firmware and software what really is the difference, but traditionally yeah firmware was this stuff on Running on a processor on a circuit board that really neccess wasn't really necessarily made to be updated back in the day It was kind of like almost considered part of firm. Yes I'm most considered part of the hardware you ship it and you never change it and it should work perfectly So traditionally firmware engineers had to make Everything absolutely perfect test it the bejesus out of it so that there would never be any bugs Of course, that's all changed You know started to change as I was entering the career and now everything gets updated constantly and this thing This is a prime example. There's nothing firm about it and anymore When you buy one of these things out of the box like literally today I spent an hour helping us somebody just install one of these on their computer and the first thing it does Brand new out of the box. Guess what update the firmware. It's already out of date.  So So anyway, you've been like you've been changing careers you've been changing Oh, yeah kind of moving How how how has a How I guess actually I wanted to ask something a little bit more directed at than that, but really was you You seem to know a little bit more about this stuff than I did from the get go You were a little bit more open to showing it to me and demonstrating it When when did you really discover the ability to do what chat GPT does and or was it something else you discovered first? I Mean, I think in recent times the the thing that started piquing my interest about what was going on in AI was Dolly, which everybody was talking about DAL-E which was a You know a fun image generation app or well website that everybody was playing with and making goofy Images that were AI generated. You can just type in any prompt and out would come some goofy Obviously AI generated picture that people you know, you could make some really funny stuff. I Think that's true for me, too I mean before that there was you know other things you would you know hear and about AI That was like that was like less than two years ago Yeah, not I mean that the the transformation that's happened is it's just phenomenal and the Abilities and capabilities are just exploding Exponentially yeah, my son used it to do a picture of my wife and added an extra piece of color to her hair And then she went and colored her hair that Art imitates life Exactly That's so great But I mean it's been AI, you know the technology has been around for such a long time I like did a little research and there were people Working on the idea like, you know, nearly a hundred years ago really Of really, you know, create trying to simulate a little bit what the brain does What neurons do, you know, but doing it mechanically or or electronically Yeah, like through like not even automaton's or whatever, but just like trying to emulate the Somewhat some the what is it like what the kind of the randomness of the way humans think Occasionally kind of like the relationship between nodes like there's like you can think of like the neurons or the synapses as kind of like like each one of them is like a dial and each dial affects the dials that are nearby it and If you know how to tweak all those dials just right You and you put in something to the one side of the brain, you know then something that you desire will come out and That's kind of what, you know, a little like sort of the basics of like artificial neural networks are Yeah, it's like it's like mixing music. Yeah, or it's like water funneling in the top And then there's all these little valves, right? And you can determine where that water is going to go at the very bottom I think like, you know like that Plinko game Really basic level Plinko is totally random But to be able to influence the direction of things gonna go, you know and land in a certain thing. Yeah Yeah, so you feed in tons of information and You you try to get the result you want out of it and then there's you know There's a feedback where it you know, you're constantly adjusting all those values of all those nodes To get the output that you want yeah, so What what are three things? Everyone should be using a old AI tools for right now. What what is something that is going to benefit everybody? So I guess I mean as far as programming So the people are using AI tools for for programming right now and Generating code. I'm thinking like in our audience the people in our audience are doing They're freelance voicing. They're freelance freelancers, right? Yeah, they are They spend let's be honest most of their time running in their business Training and looking for work. Yeah, you know, that's what most people spend most of their time doing so Some things that maybe are helpful for productivity Organization maybe acquiring Leads things like that or some things that you've you've used personally to try to help your Day-to-day that you can recommend just that you've tried. Yeah, definitely I've used it a bunch for improving writing so taking something that I've written already or some ideas and fleshing it out or You can say make this sound more make this paragraph or this entire paper sound more professional or Make it more Accessible, you know make it more familiar if you're writing a blog item or something like that or make it more brief Sure, absolutely Some of us have expanded, you know, you know expanded some of us have trouble Keeping things brief other people have a trouble Stretching things out to you know, they give you a lot of one-word answers, you know, so sure sure very good point So yeah, so it's it's very valuable if people learn how to use it, but how hard is it to learn how to use? It's it's very I mean Depending on how how you get into it the most the easiest way is most people using chat GPT to and it's at its basic level. It's a free service and You can start just asking questions you can just treat it like a Somebody on the other side of a of a chat basically Why would you not use it in place of a search engine because when it first came out? I was trying to use it the way I would use a search engine. What makes it a bad search engine well the The information that it was trained on is in the past for one So it's not pulling in its basic form. It's not pulling information from the internet live So won't know today's sports scores. It's not gonna know stuff like that Unless, you know, you tie it together with plugins that pull in that information And and it knows how to query that But so the data that it's pulling from to generate an answer for you is from the past It's not current. Yeah, and I don't know what it's current up to. I remember the model used to respond I only have information up to something 2021 or something like that So basically a giant data set was it was trained on and it's when a when you train one of these models It takes a lot of processing power like super computer processing power and a lot of time So it's not something they do every week or every day or whatever because these models that are too large for that Yeah, that's what's hard to wrap your head around it I think of a search engine like it immediately finds usable information But that in itself is a data model, right? The search results are data model because it had to find and build a model of all that through what they call crawling Right. Sure. Yeah, and I'm sure they're pulling all sorts of tool AI tools to do that Yeah, and the crawling but the recall the act of crawling uses less computational power Than building this model, I guess, huh? I would assume so I would assume so but yeah, they crawl like I mean, it's not they're not crawling every inch of the internet every minute of the moment of the day, but That's a fascinating thing too. But yeah, so when you first start using something like chat GBT a good place to start might be like Give me a meal plan for today or something like that. You don't know what to eat Type it in say I'm a vegan and I want a good meal plan that You know, it's good for an athlete who weighs 200 pounds. Maybe that's something you could put in sure you could say pretend you're a nutritionist and Tell me you just said you have to tell it to pretend it's a you know, you don't have to you don't have to but it but by priming it with some information like that it kind of Narrows down the scope of the problem. So It can be very helpful to to give it some some more information to begin with Yeah, rather than just like here's my problem, you know, right? Yeah, Jeff asked a good question because you know, we I like throwing out jargon and trying to sound intelligent Okay, how would you describe what crawling is what is going on when a search engine crawls the internet? Do you understand it on some level? What it's doing? More or less just downloading websites and putting them into a giant database That's more searchable Is it downloading every image and every video or is it looking at just text and like metadata and stuff like that? You know, I mean I I would imagine at this point everything and maybe maybe not videos at this point But maybe some are Yeah So how would someone use this? You know if they're again if they're a freelance person, you know freelance voice actor freelance photographer freelance Somebody who has to get their message out to large amounts of people without any geographical bounds or anything like that What's what's one tool you could use that would assist you to do something like that? I mean you can certain a lot of people are using it for who have businesses are using it to create social media posts And Create content for blogs for you know, just you could say give me 10 blog Social media ideas relating to voiceover and it'll do that You can then say, okay, I don't like those give me 10 more or make them specific to microphones or And you know, you know, it'll just it's infinite. It'll just keep doing it Yeah, if someone's writing a blog then you may never know if they're Having it generated or if they're actually writing it themselves Absolutely, you know, but everything the whole thing, you know, all everything that comes out of it is probability, so you don't You you would have to check everything that's coming out of it and to see if it's fits what what you want You know, if it the information looks correct and and and verifiable Yeah, if you're just joining us, we're talking with Justin and we're talking about AI and positive uses of AI If you've got a question for him throw it in the chat room and the actual Jeff Holman is in there Not a digital Jeff Holman Who is taking all the questions down and we'll try and get to them in the next half out also if you've been using AI Some of these AI tools like chat g g gpt and some of the other ones we're talking about Let us know and you can actually come on and tell us how you're using it So why don't you do that right now because we want to see from here from you guys and see you guys One of the questions I asked chat gpt while we're getting ready to start the show yeah How do I verify the veracity of the response I received from you? The issue with these tools is we they do something that we is known that is known in the business as Hallucinating right Judd absolutely Yeah, so like I said everything's a probability So in these large these like chat gpt is under the category of a large language model that's what they call them LLMs and each the next letter the next word is Is a is a basically just a big probability of what came before it and what what would fit next given era all everything that came before it so Yeah, you There's It's nothing's a hundred percent, you know, nothing's 100 gonna be a hundred percent correct or or exact Well, it gave me nine salient points. I Can read them to you and for you the first one says cross-reference with reliable sources Double-check the information provided by consulting reputable and authoritative services Look for information from well-established websites academic papers or official publications. That's one of the nine points Well, that's a good one. That's a very good one to start with Everybody has to understand that what you get out of the system is Not necessarily accurate and in some cases is dead wrong and the most weird thing start typing things in there about yourself and If it knows anything about your name from the from the internet if you for your name has been on the internet for a number of years It may or may not know who you really are like If I type my name into Google it comes up with a lot stuff if I type my name quote-unquote George Whitham It basically says you're not really I don't really know I don't really know anything about you But I did manage to get it to write about my website George the tech and It's incredibly good at writing convincingly made-up information like I One section of it was like Sounds good to me. I was like I would love for that to be true, but it's not So yeah, you definitely have to be careful and that's why I think we all have to actually Do our due diligence when seeing stories virally spread on me on the internet on social media, especially Got to be do not take what you see With the you know take everything with a grain of salt verify what you read before I bet the if anything verify what you read before re-sharing it or sending it back out again because there's a lot of very Just plain truthiness Which is not the term that Steve Colbert came up not Steve Colbert truthiness Yeah, that was it Colbert. Yeah, I think it might have been yeah truthiness, but yeah, I mean all these tools Make it very easy to create con text content, especially but also images and video now So anything comments sections I mean, there's there's certainly a eyes out there that are specifically trained to just spam comments to make up Whatever or maybe they have an agenda. Maybe they don't but Definitely beware. Is there what we've talked about chat GPT and when I when you go to chat GPT There is a free one and there's a pay one So the free ones the version 3.5 the pay one is the version for Why would you pay for version for and do you bother? Is there any chat? Tools that you or AI tools that you actually bother paying for that you think are worth paying for I'm I'm personally not that deep into it to you know to pay for a tool at this point, but the as far as I understand GPT for is like a much bigger more advanced model and it has it can do complex reasoning One example on a podcast I was listening to where they gave it like a list of random objects like you know a hot dog and a Laptop and all these things and said, you know, how would you stack these things so that they don't fall over or set? You know, and then and it was able to chat GBD 3 just kind of gave it made a random list of you know chat GBD 4 actually came up with a reasonable sounding answer and It explained its reasoning as well. It was like on a whole another level, you know of virtual intelligence basically Mind boggling do you do you because I'm listening to the debate right now about whether we should Whether we should absolutely be so afraid of chat GBT and AI and generative tools LLMs and everything else that we should stop Generating new tools stop developing these things and reassess Or there's the others the other side of the coin of the technologist saying that those other ones that say fear it Are giving it too much credit Which side is the which side of the coin do you feel you fall on in terms of this stuff? I mean his historically every transformative technology has met with a ton of fear You name it pick your pick your technology revolution steam engines Yeah, yeah, I mean the word Luddite comes from a group of people who opposed weaving What do you call it? Um, you know, we've been looms looms. Yeah, automatic looms right and You know because they were about to take away. I don't know hundred thousand people's jobs. So So, yeah, I think it's it's definitely It's out of the the cats out of the bag. I mean nobody's You can make Regulations and it will affect the big companies I guess but it will not affect the the trajectory of the research and There's Thousands of thousands and thousands of AI models out there Chat GPT is just one of many many many and there's so many open source ones that aren't you know under some kind of corporate ownership Do you see that that, you know, these these AI programs will start to write their own AI programs to defeat the other AI program? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's already being done where I mean AI the Chat GPT for for example, and I'm sure other ones are really good at generating code. I'm sure they're being used to generate the code for new AI algorithms More and then I think I did see a post recently about one that was modifying its own able to modify its own underlying code And Yeah, this is what everybody's scared of you know And then if you then if it then has full access to the internet, you know, then what happens in this AI goes We get the road terminator style. Yeah coming back from the future or the Skyline AI mandala effect Or something, you know Like isn't there an issue like where the data that we're that is being fed in the machine eventually becomes data generated by the machine Absolutely. Yeah All right We're getting some questions from the chat room. Do you would you be comfortable trying to answer? I'll try I'm gonna turn on my light and we're gonna take a break We're gonna take a break here anyway while you do that. Okay We're gonna take a break. You've got a if you've got a question for Justin About AI or if you want to tell us how you're using it Just throw it in the chat room and we'll like get to it in just a couple of minutes But we'll be right back after these very important messages. So don't go away This is the Latin lover narrator from Jane the Virgin Anthony Mendes and you're enjoying Den and George on the voice of her buddy shop It's vacation time just about Everywhere for example, here's Australian voiceover pro Andrew Peters on vacation in London recording a commercial with his port-a-booth pro Why is the port-a-booth pro gaining users worldwide? 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We don't have a timeline yet I've seen a very early alpha version demonstrated to me by Rebecca the director of the owner of source elements and it looks like a really nice step forward into being a little bit more user-friendly but in the meantime the version that has been in use for a very long time and will continue to be in use for quite a while is version 3.9 and That is the version that you'll you'll be installing and running on your machine if you're on windows You'll be on version 3.8 because a nine 3.9 version didn't get developed In their development timeline and the Mac version is up to 3.9 Something at this point, but everybody is going to be using source connect 3.9 or 3.8 and all of its cross compatible So you can connect to any studio in the world or really any other voice actor one way I know people love to use source connect to feel more confident about their studio's sound and their functionality is to have an Accountability buddy basically have a buddy who's also on source connect and connect with them before a session Make sure you guys know that you're sounding the way you're supposed to sound I was just talking to Jerry Pelletierre Long-time client of mine friend of the show and that's what he does. He does he connects to a buddy They check each other's audio before their day or before the big session and they know they're sounding the way They're supposed to sound and all the technology is working Anyway, if you want to get started head over to source dash elements calm You can get yourself set up with an account and go through all their incredibly good free training content There's a lot to learn over there at source dash elements calm Thanks and more spots and back to Justin right after this Is AI coming for your voiceover career is it going to take all of your jobs? Man, do we hear that question a lot and there's a lot of people That are fearful that the answer to that is yes. Well I've been working in performance and technology Simultaneously throughout my career beginning in the 70s and I've seen the incursion of Technology both good and bad and I want you to have the fact so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put together a course Which I'm gonna give away for free. I'm aiming for mid-August or so Talking about synthetic voices and what they mean to your future and your success So it'll be at video heroes calm I'll give you details as soon as we're ready to go. I'm David H. Lawrence the 17th I thank you so much for watching and for listening to VOBS and Standby we'll get that course to you very soon This is Bill Ratner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with Dan Leonard and George Whidham VOBS dot TV Hey, that's a Dave David is a technologist through and through. He's always been in fact I think he's some he's known or been on the show with the little port tech Was it before whatever before twit was? Like ask the tech guys or one of those TV shows David was on that stuff back in the day So if if he does something on chat GBT or any kind of stuff, you can probably take it to the bank It's gonna be accurate. He knows this.  So that's cool. I'm glad that he He must have caught wind of what we're talking about tonight. I made that now He put that one out a couple weeks ago. Okay, whatever the case. I want you to talk about terrific perfect timing David perfect time So once again, we're talking with Justin we're talking about All this AI stuff that we're all hearing about how can it help your business? Certainly everybody out there is concerned about it taking their business Which is something I hope we can get get a chance to talk about a little bit You know, it's a big issue in Hollywood right now because of the the SAG after strike They're trying desperately to get the employers to not use it and the employers are like Try and stop us Essentially, that's like asking a bunch of college students to not use it to write their papers or high school students for that matter I mean, it's it's it's nearly impossible To to stop it. It's it's when you find a way to do something More efficiently and more time-effective and hopefully of better quality than what you could have done on your own At some point, how do you constantly? You know, how do you how do you avoid or how do you just choose to not? Use that technology to your advantage at a certain point, you know It's tough like there's some purism out there. There's all you know, there's Artisanal breads and cheeses and things that can't be made more quickly through machinery and people still love that stuff There is still live Orchestral performances with real people playing real instruments. There is theaters full of Live humans performing for you with all of their Failtees and their mistakes and whatever that happens live in in the moment, right the spontaneity of it That's not going to be replaced for any foreseeable future And if it is it won't be replaced It'll just be an alternative world of entertainment, you know, you want to go watch an AI driven chat bot stand-up comedian Go for it You're gonna choose to do that over again Okay, that might be your thing there are there are weird creepy niches of the internet corners of the internet for everything So that's gonna happen But you know, there's always gonna be humans wanting to have a human experience listening to humans Watching them be humans, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and in some ways that Mike backfire with just so much AI generated content Shows whatever you name it people might just get overwhelmed after a while and just want to shut it off Just like, you know, a lot of people do with social media or what not and just It's time time for the human Human experience again. Well, that's that's one thing. I love that you Justin before we get to some questions is you are a Technologist you do love the technology you embrace it But you're also extremely Good at limiting how much of it you choose to use and again, one of those ways that you do limit that is by Largely being completely off Social media, isn't that right? Yeah. Yeah.    You know my business If I just decided tomorrow to stop posting I'm sure you could come to me and say listen. How many hours a week are you spending posting on social? What could you be doing instead of those seven hours or those 12 hours or whatever it is, you know That would be an interesting conversation because there are times where I would just love to just turn it off completely But we just market our lives. We create our branding everything we've built on this thing Yeah, absolutely speaking for myself Yeah, that's the way they really started my business started in parallel with facebook Right as facebook was becoming popular. I was building my business on it. So It's so hard to pull it a wet part, but I find that really fascinating that you're able to do that and um Anyway bravo kudos to you for doing for doing well I mean, you know my my career doesn't rely on me being You know Anything like that. So or being you know accessible in that way Whereas it's you know your field absolutely does Yeah, but your your career does require you to occasionally Get useful information possibly do a new resume things like that Um, so you make use of these tools before one more thing I didn't get to talk about is there a generative an art generative tool Generative art tool that you find actually kind of useful and interesting to use or Is it still just mostly a goofy entertaining process to experiment with? um, well, I'm you know, you showed me um diffusion b a long time ago Which was a so stable diffusion is one of the art A generating or image generating ais right and that's accessible through various I guess through Okay, but you can also download these models to your own computer and run them locally Um, so yeah, that's that's a lot of fun to play with just similar to chat gpt Put it be creative put in ideas get images out Um, if you want to entertain yourself tell it to draw hands It does some really really weird stuff from around hands It has not grasped hands yet. Yeah, well, we've got a couple of questions. We should uh carol spencer morgan carol So good to see you again after a long time Uh common question on the internet Maybe it's some chat gpt thing asking it all the time Will ai take over the voiceover industry and make the human element redundant I think that's what a lot of people least certainly people in our audience are are saying I mean, I don't think it's there yet. I mean, I see it. I see clients using it And then i'm listening to it. I'm going well this client isn't doing themselves any favors. There's no emotion. There's no It's not human. I can tell it a mile away and I can generally tell video You know some of these these deep fakes a mile away, but apparently a lot of people can't at least I know what I'm looking for What do you think? I mean from my perspective it's um I think what david will say in that video he promoted will be will be useful Um, I think and I'll reiterate. I'm really I kind of answered it much as humans and the human element What human does not want to interact with a human? I mean there are humans Let's be let's be really straightforward.  They don't fit in they have a very hard time communicating They feel awkward Introverted whatever it is and for them This mac might be a more a much better experience for them. They may find that They have a much pleasant more pleasant life Interacting more virtually, right? So it could really be very helpful for some people But I think humans in general They are going to want to interact with humans and see humans Being human and this is another reason why I tell people when you're working on your voiceover stuff. Do not over sanitize the audio Do not remove every human element from the audio because Folks over analyze their own audio. They're of course listening in Very detailed headphones and hearing every little mouth noise.  Oh, that's a nose thump, huh? Yeah, it's like when you say a certain syllable that closes the sinus or closes up part of the The nasal passage so instead of the air flowing through the nasal cavity It kind of gets pinched off for a moment and you get that In the audio there's all kinds of little things and Anybody if they look deep enough or listen close enough or slowly enough or Repeated enough. We'll find something wrong. So You know, I one of my clients said recently He listened to an audio. He's a voice. He's an audiobook narrator and he Is is stuck in the same loop, you know, it's the overanalyzing problem It's the listening too closely problem, right?  There's that flaw, right? You you as a human by default for the most part filter out many of the flaws There's certain things that will be distracting for for you But many things are not and if you over sanitize you'll start sounding like an AI voice Believe it or not. I've heard voice actor tracks Sent to me that could have been an AI voice I wouldn't have known because that it's so flawless So perfectly rhythmic and so tightly edited It was indistinguishable from an AI voice because it was just too Unhuman, right? So we were we were looking at this video before the show that's you know about some AI product and it mispronounced it Yeah, I don't even want now that now we're talking about I don't even want to plug the company because screw them, but anyway We found a video and the product ended with f y like amplify, right? And the chat the whole thing was narrated by a voice AI Of course And the voice AI pronounced the end of the name f y Instead of fye I just thought that was entertaining It was literally commercial for its own product that it was mispronouncing its own That was just a theoretical product. That was a it was a joke product. It was a joke product. Okay. Yeah, yeah Okay, just just to not prove our point Um, Carol's second part was rhetorical question. Where's the line between outsourcing our creativity as a species becoming Reliant on new tech.  Was that ominous I don't know. What do you think? I mean there was there was people who are afraid of The printing press because they were afraid that everybody would stop working and spend all their time reading books Um, well, you know, I'm afraid of us all reading books We know who those we know who those people are like there's literally a Sector of society who does not want us reading more books and this goes back to the 1400s 1500s There's always been a sector of society who does not want people to be more educated So that's another weird fringy fear factor fear mongering maybe even Maybe i'm being a little Well, I mean if you look at it, I mean, you know the invention of the printing press brought out Printings of the bible which people weren't allowed to read And and and interpret so look at the change that that one technology brought about Right and I would say for the better except for you know a couple of hundreds of years of war Yeah But that's that that's just sort of part of what What humanity is all about? Uh, just a ramos has a question for us. He says uh, george Correct me if i'm wrong, but did you mention you use a chatbot on your website to field questions? No, but I I have actually explored it. Um There might be a point where we offer a chatbot on our website that is fed a language model that's based on me Or us or something Um, I don't know. I mean I have some ideas of how to do it. In fact, justin's helped me find actually some tools to Put that into place and we may someday do that I just right now I don't have the time to invest in it and if I did it I don't know how I would roll it out and it would probably done on a very limited basis at first But it's something I consider but it is absolutely not it's something that we are using or making use of yet Um, you guys have all probably used a chatbot tool on a website. It's extremely common now. It's always like a little Question mark or a little face in the bottom right of the screen You click it and it pops up a thing and it immediately asks you what you want to know It gives you back pre pre written search results with answers based on your your question Like a search engine and then it says oh and if you want to know more Click here or something like that, right? So they're extremely extremely common And if I can find a way to make it easier for customers that come to my website Get the answers they came there to look for I might make use of it, but Not yet Yeah, and then for dan would you same would you use a chatbot on your voice acting website? So would you use a chatbot on your voice acting website? I guess the question would be like well What would you use it for or yeah? I mean Why would I need a chatbot there? You know, it's like I'm here. Here's my name. Here's my contact information Come on down You know, yeah, I mean you have to think you have to think about what are people needing to ask you Right. What what are you getting emails for that? You need to spend your time to answer In a redundant fashion then I feel like that's where a chatbot starts to Make sense, but as a voice actor to have a chatbot someone's probably done it I'm sure they have but I don't need anything like that. I just write down the same answer all the time, you know Well, that's what a chatbot is for so you don't have to do that. Yeah, but I just copy paste boom. There it is You know and and modify it and customize it for each individual person Uh, let's see here. Bettina Lattarno says hi Justin. Thanks so much for all this great information I'm a vo actor in a few languages one of them being spanish Uh a voice over association in spain is scared to death of AI How can we have a diplomatic conversation on its pros as well? That's what we're trying to do right now. Yeah I mean diplomatic would be another thing altogether, right, but I mean Specifically they might be asking about, you know voice using voice um Rather than, you know chatbot sort of thing, right? Yeah, but yeah, I mean, how do you how do you bring up that subject with like a you know in in the voice world of things like voice cloning and just uh synthetic voice actors um That's that's a tough one and I guess the positive spin on it is a possibly people like voice actors Licensing their voice and actually making money off of their licensed Synthetic voice so to speak so that's could be a revenue stream for could be yeah And some people we know are doing that they've licensed their voice out, you know Much to the consternation of the rest of us though Sure, sure, you know, and then there's uh, they're trying to come up with specific contracts The people you know templated contracts for people saying you're not going to use my voice for this or that My voice is for this and that's that's all it is That's why people want to control the use of their voice There are many platforms out there where you can get your voice modeled and sold on a marketplace But the big concern is is what your voice is being literally used for and a lot of those tools do not let you Control it. They the tool themselves the service, whatever I've spoken to one of them They say we are very careful to make sure that the content is above bar it or it is not in any way illegal content or You know inciting violence That kind of stuff, but still people are still concerned about their their voice their ai voice being used to sell Certain things right so that's got a lot of people concerned. I mean yeah, I A diplomatic conversation on it. It's gonna be a while because I think we just don't Know enough right now, right? How is it going to be used in the future? And I think that's why How much better is it going to get and I think that's why the the and I've heard others speak of this the this this strike right now is Is a really tough one because we date that they don't know enough and the Studios the producers don't know enough. Yeah, so they really don't even have like a clear roadmap It's like everybody's beating sticks into the bush right now, right trying to figure out what the roadmap is, right? Yeah, um, yeah, yeah well Justin thanks for joining us tonight and In terms of some of your your knowledge on this particular subject We could go on about this and we'll continue to do so over the next Five years or so until everybody until george and I become chatbots So we're all all artificial That's right heads on this we could bake AI versions of our show and have that But you know, I I feel like a lot of the AI tools are going to be used to just Just basically distract from the real content and that's I think the one of the concerns. It's just going to be It's just marketing to just draw more eyeballs into one direction and distract, you know, so That's going to be interesting. Thank you. Thank you, Justin. It was it was fun. We've we've never really spoken on this topic in this way before and Really appreciate you popping your head. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Lots of good stuff. 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Can I play it real quick? Sure go for it Well, if I could get if I could get it to restart at the beginning It won't let me do it. I have to start from the middle and get to the end I'll tell you what i'll pull down the fader to No, you're hearing that too. I'll let it play to the end. I just noticed this My mom sent this message in from my dad and it was for justin so uh Just because they're listening and they're my parents. I'll play it. Here it is Hello, justin dan and george Do you think ai is going to get to the level where it's going to replace voiceover tablet? Thank you Sounds like he used uh chat an ai voice to do that A little bit just a little he sounded a little stiff. Yeah. Yeah loosen up Next week on this very show, uh, we will be presenting tech talk number 107 Unless of course you're watching live at the moment and you have a question about your home voiceover studio You can get involved right after this because we do it live and then we show it next week But we're doing it live now. So if you're watching now, you can actually ask a question in real time Are you following are you getting this guys? Yeah, I mean be there. 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I am obligated because i'm president and I have to say that Uh and because it's important. You should join Uh thanks to jeff holman for a kick butt job in the chat room tonight and on various shows that I keep seeing him on Holy crap. There's jeff holman. Uh, and of course sumer lino for getting it done With the switchboard and making sure that uh, we're technologically right where we need to be and of course lee pennie Because he's lee pennie rightly. Yeah, okay. Anyway, stay tuned for tech Talk get your questions in if you have a question about home voiceover studio technology And recording and all that kind of stuff and we'll be happy to answer it. I'm dan lennard I'm george widdum and this is voiceover body shop or vio bs bs bs Yes, I'll be right back with tech talk I can't believe that nobody has holy crap. There's jeff holman dot com yet You need to get on that job I just typed it in it doesn't go anywhere Not even in chat gpt. You could create a whole website doing that I know just generating generating domains I can't tell you how many I've bought over the years and a year or two later. I'm realizing I'm not using that I'm not gonna keep paying money for that. No, just let it go. Let it go Yeah, me too. I can't believe some of the sites I have Gosh, but nobody else can have them. They're mine domain squatting. Some people are really good at it They actually make money from it. Oh, I know somebody you do. You do know somebody. Yes Somebody who owned tesla dot com I mean Tesla tesla dealer dot com and it's like man He eventually sold that for a lot of money. Anyway, uh, it's time for tech talk again if you got a question throw it in the chat room and We're thrilled that you're here. So let's get rolling with tech talk number 107 Cool. Alrighty. Here we go Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk tech talk Tech talk tech talk Tech talk tech talk tech talk. Okay. Good. He says it when I touch his head. Okay. No This is tech talk number 107 More home voiceover studio technology that you could possibly handle in a lifetime So we bring it out one week at a time or every other week at a time So limited doses Yes, anyway, if you've got a question for us throw it in the chat room And jeff holman who you just saw spewing tech talk We'll get that question to us and we love getting your questions. So just spewing just Type it into the chat room and we'll be moving on that and uh, you know It's time for tech talk. So stay tuned. We'll be right with it voiceover body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials dot com the home of harlin hogan signature products Source elements the folks who bring you source connect the oh heroes dot com Become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor dot com your voiceover website ready in minutes voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success And by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Hi there. I'm dan lennard And i'm george widdum and this is voiceover body shop or vo b tech talk If you don't think we have fun doing this show If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't we're not entertaining ourselves. We're gonna stop doing this. That's true Well, we have so much to talk about here But what is it we talk about if you're just joining us for the first time one you've missed 106 fabulous episodes of tech talk But we're gonna try and do another one right now and answer your questions and talk about some really cool tech And what is all this tech about it's about voiceover and your home voiceover studio Something you know the more george and I talk to clients people who come to us pleading for help Or saying well, I'll pay it if you can help me do this not so much pleading but asking nicely Um, some of them are pleading some of them are begging which is you know, which is fine. It's nice to be needed Um, but we talk about home voiceover studio technology because face it If you work with a coach generally we have found that coaches had no idea what they're talking about They just say go talk to dan or george. They know what they're talking about and why did they say that? Because we do we've been doing this so long You know, I came out of broadcasting george came out of Broadcasting and recording and a little bit of the other stuff Yeah, I mean we've been doing it a long long time And applying some of the old rules into modern technology was not a problem You know when they came out with digital recording and being able to manipulate things easily within a uh, Within an audio track. It was like drawing with crayons You know, it was it was like this is super simple Apparently not for a lot of you out there So if you have a question or you have a concern or if you need to build your studio and have no idea where to start There's two places you can go where you're going to get the right information Number one is mr. Whitom's place of employment or place of Where he shows himself and that is George the dot tech I spent an inordinate amount of time Trying to make a better website a better mousetrap and a better set of services and a better team of people to help you So you can book my time over there all of my services now have my name in them So it's very clear Which of them are the ones I'm doing personally versus the ones that we have a whole team Doing um, so you'll notice that uh, you'll see that my name attached a whole bunch So if for some reason you want me to do something specifically for you Then you'll see my name in the list and if you're not worried about me being part of it You'll notice there's a whole bunch of other services Most of them name for the product that they're about like if you have an audacity problem because you're updated audacity For some reason and now that thing you try to load won't load or this button ain't there anymore Well, we got help for you specifically on audacity from folks who really really know audacity So you can book us all over at george the.tech and dan's place on the web is Homevoiceoverstudio.com and that says it all if you need to if you have a question about your home voiceover studio Or really want to learn how to do it, right? I've broken it down into three major components even though part one has two parts Uh It's stuff that nobody understands and nobody teaches except for me and george because we understand it Other people talk about it. Maybe they have some experience But not some of the translated old school experience into how it's supposed to sound now Or as we like to say what it's supposed to sound like whistle And uh, you can reach me over there at home voiceoverstudio.com and if you have some audio raw Uh, throw it in my specimen collection cup and I for 25 dollars I will give you an analysis of your audio and hopefully get it so it sounds Important it's gonna sound like you the idea of your home voiceover studio is not to sound great If you're a good voice actor, you already sound great. The idea is to capture you as you exist So anyway, so let's get into the meat of the matter this week on voiceover body shop tech talk number 107 What's in george's tech update this week? Well, I've been scraping together some stories and things that I thought might be a little bit helpful for you um For the longest time, I thought it would be really nice to have a pair of wireless headphones That actually work in the context of studio production It's so crazy to me that there have been no studio headphones That will work for audio production in a studio and the reason is Is the wireless headphones that you see are all for consumers all using bluetooth Bluetooth doesn't necessarily sound bad, but bluetooth has a serious issue with latency This is why you can't wear headphones that use bluetooth to monitor Your own signal you will have a horrible delay And you can't use it for being in sync to video So if you're trying to dub something or work in sync with something That ain't gonna work either, right? Well, finally yamaha decided well We should be the ones to make this product and they are and it's called The yhw l 500 I was checking out um, let's go a little screen share just so you can see it's actually funny There's nothing really to look at it just looks like a regular bog standard pair of studio headphones, right? It's like a pair of headphones to me, but yeah, it just looks like a yamaha logo Exactly um, but what makes it unique is of course that it is fully fully wireless It's got a charging base that the microphone that the headphones sit in when you're not using them so they stay charged But the thing that they're not showing pictures of which I find weird because this is a part of what makes it special Is the fact that it has its own wireless transmitter Where that thing is in these pictures? Well, they just they just forgot to take a picture of it But it has its own uh wireless transmitter that plugs into the device that you want to send it audio, right? And so that becomes a dedicated feed so like for example, you would plug that wire wireless transmitter into the Headphone jack of your scarlet 2i 2 or your audio interface of choice, whatever it is And now these headphones will run completely wireless seven hours on a charge With four milliseconds of latency that means if you're monitoring yourself Which we often tell you is not a good idea, but some of you still do for various reasons This will let you do that with a very very well, you won't notice the latency you will not notice the delay That you hear of your own voice and because it's using its own Wireless technology separate from bluetooth So it's cool to see that happen 350 bucks. I have no idea if it's worth that for these headphones I haven't heard them Yamaha is not exactly known for headphones. I'm sure they can make a competent pair of headphones But I can't vouch for the how they sound what they feel like etc So if you do get them Get them with a return policy buying somewhere like sweet water where you know you can return them If you don't like them and report back and let us know what you think of these things But uh, oh, they also do double though. They do double as Wireless bluetooth headphones, so they do both which is nice. Okay. Yamaha send us a pair Damn damn street It will take a line in as well So it's a bluetooth line in traditional headphone and a wireless headphone all at the same time All in some frequency. Yeah, yeah I was going to talk a little bit about 32 bit float recording because and I'm not going to go into a lot of detail about What it is how it works and why to use it But people are hearing the buzz so much and they're hearing so much about the new road nt1 fifth gen Microphone with a built-in 32 bit float recording capable usb interface Ah, there's a mouthful That they're seeing. Oh, wait a minute in adobe audition when I make a new file. It says 32 bit float I already have it right No, you don't um Yes, you technically do when you choose to make a new file in adobe audition and I think even audacity The default file format it may be 32 bit float. It may actually call it 32 bit float And that's all well and good But unless the ad converter the usb audio interface or the usb microphone You're using to record with is capable of capturing data in that way All you're doing is taking a very very big photograph of a very very small Postage stamp Right you're like got a huge huge format camera That's incredibly detailed and the subject is a postage stamp in the middle of the frame little That's all you're doing when you record with 32 bit float. It's a tremendous amount of extra wasted data With absolutely no benefit for fidelity So if you're using 32 bit float recording you have to understand the whole signal chain from microphone to computer And how the computer software you're using interprets the 32 bit float So stay tuned Because I will be getting a road nt1 fifth gen Microphone I will be putting it through its paces I'll be doing videos about it And you'll know about it first here because I'll be telling you all about it And so you can understand If you do buy one of these mics how you're going to make it work in twisted wave in adobe audition Does it work in audacity? I don't know as a work in reaper. I don't know haven't tried it yet So we'll we'll we'll bring you more information as we get it because I wanted to Some demystifying around 32 bit float recording um speaking of bits 16 bit wave files should not be confused with 128 kilobit per second mp3s explain the difference Two very different things with very similar names and they get confused On the regular I had a client recently. She said I've been recording everything in wave the client wants an mp3 I save it as an mp3 as a she wrote 16 bit mp3 And then I play it back in quick time and it sounds Really weird and bizarre like I didn't even record it. It sounds terrible Yes, there's a very good reason for that because There are two different things with the name bit in them when we're recording audio And they're totally separate from each other. There's the bit depth and the bit rate So let's see if I can demonstrate this without creating a calamity here. I'm going to do a share screen I'm going to try to share just Twisted wave, that's probably not going to work. So I'll just put it over on my second screen and share the entire thing That will probably work better There we go So I make a new file and twisted wave. We'll call it A 16 bit depth wave file at 48 kilohertz bit depth is the resolution of the audio But you don't see the floating window, do you? You see an empty window with nothing right? You have to have the whole the whole left Right screen in there. Let's do a take two on that Share screen don't make me sing girl from epanema Hopefully this works this time. I'm sharing the entire window I'm going to do a new file Now do you see it? No What the heck? I'm sharing the entire window at least I thought I was Take three share screen Chrome tab entire screen entire screen entire screen this should do it I don't work great in rehearsal In rehearsals Here it is There's our there's our new file creation settings, right 16 bit 16 bit is depth of bits. This is how Low in volume it can capture before you get to basically minus infinity How many intervals of bit depth can you get that's the bit depth value and it's 16 bits That's the the bit depth that is the standard that was established during the days of CDs in the 80s, right? It's still used very widely We've kind of evolved a lot now into 24 bit recording for various reasons and I recommend recording in 24 bit over 16 bit So when you're done recording something you record your voice and it's all great You hit play recording something you record your voice and it's all do you hear that? I hear it It sounds great. You save it as mp3 for the client And you go down here and you choose mp3 And you see this number over here and you're thinking Wait, what's that number supposed to be and you click and you change it to 16 Kilobits per second, okay What that means is we've taken the the audio which was very high quality And we packed it into the smallest file known to man kind Sounds like it's on the phone. It's crushed into a tiny format and in doing that crushing The fidelity goes right along with it. So if I save this file now, here's what got her in trouble And this can happen to you on on a audition or really any waveform version editor Let's just call this 16 bit test Okay Now i've saved this recording something you record your as a 16 bit mp3 Did everybody see me do that or did I did I do that so quickly? I nobody could see it See that as mp3, okay, 16 kilobits mp3, right Sounds great, right recording something you record your voice sounds perfectly fine So you send it off to the client And you think everything is good. You did play it back, right? The problem is is that what's going on in Twisted Wave is it's caching or you're still listening to The temporary file the wave file actually that's on the hard drive. You're actually listening to that You gotta back you won't listen to the the file you're sending You will not actually hear the results of that compression until you reopen the file And that's where things went horribly wrong for our dear our dear voice actor who went through this process, right? She reopened the file and it sounded a little something like This Sorting porting something you record your voice and it's all great. You hit play recording something Pretty garbled pretty cruddy Very very low resolution, right? Yep Gotta be careful that folks when you are saving mp3s that the number is not 16 bits The number you're looking at is what's called the bit rate Higher bit rates capture more data and give you better quality the minimum that we recommend saving files at is 128 Kilobits per second and here's another news flash if you've already saved the mp3 at 16 Kilobits You're you're done. If you didn't save the wave the destruction is done. It's done. You can't undo it You can't you can't up sample it It's never going to sound better than that file, right? So just be very careful. Know the difference Make sure you're saving mp3s at at least 128 Kilobits per second. You send it anything higher than that dan or just 128. I you know, I send it 128 I've been You know going back and forth at 4,800 kilobits per second Yeah As opposed to 41, you know 44.1 kHz Yeah, yeah, when you see the the the The suffix ps at the end of something that usually means per second Which is a reference to a rate as opposed to Just You know the quality of the bits with the bit depth, right? How much resolution you're giving it? So, right, right? So I just thought it would be good to mention that one last one before you SD cards when you cut a brand new micro SD card out of the package I'm saying this as a PSA because I've done it. I had four of these I cut them all open for a project. I'm working on not mine. So my client bought a bunch. Thankfully, they're really cheap I think they're $15 for a 128 gig Samsung these are the best ones you can buy I just took a I took a razor knife a utility knife and instead of doing what it says on the package Which on this one has a pair of scissors cutting across the top so you can open it I just took my razor knife and I sliced Sort of underneath the card, right just sliced it out Put the card in the computer the computer was like or the device I was using it was a camera camera's like I don't see any card, dude And I was like, uh-oh Is it the camera? Is it the card because it was a brand new camera long story short the very the back of the card is Just basically paint There's not a plastic housing on these cards that protects it So by doing so I scratched the back of the card with the knife immediately ruined the memory card. So If you want to destroy a memory card, maybe it's got sensitive data on it All you got to do is take a knife and score on the back and it's trashed It will never work again. I don't think but anyway, there's just a PSA be careful when opening your micro sd cards Okay, dan back to you. All right. It's time for my dan's basic basics You know, george and I get a lot of questions from people saying You know, what mic should I have? But what's worse is when somebody's like i'm starting off in vo And I bought this mic Uh and Because it was expensive. I was gonna say and it's often probably much more than 500 dollars. Oh, yes. Yes So generally, you know, and I'm still trying to figure out who keeps recommending these things You know, just because someone uses it in their studio Doesn't mean you should be using it. There's a reason for that. So I have a little PowerPoint here thing. Then let me share my power point Right, hopefully you can see all those things Because It's trying. Yeah, can you see that right now? We're seeing like a little slowly. Oh, there we go. God Okay. All right. Here's one that a lot of somebody was complaining about this mic the other day This is the the sphere dlx.  That's great. It's got nothing to do with voiceover. It really doesn't Um, but you know, there can be some utility but you have Having the equipment is not the same as knowing how to use it And in order to do all this mic modeling and stuff like that, you have to know what the other mics sound like So you're not a really great idea and that's this thing is 1500 bucks Okay, then there's this guy The Neumann You 87. Oh this thing makes me sound great fine Every voice is different. Every room is different You get a mic like this for 3600 bucks 3700 bucks It's going to hear everything And if you're any, you know, people are setting up home studios in their closets and setting up, you know, pvc booths Which are fabulous if you're in a quiet room If there is any noise at all, this guy is going to pick it up That's what you're paying for when you spend 3695 dollars for a microphone Or this guy the TLM 103 very very popular with voiceover people It's 1100 bucks. I mean you can get it for under a thousand, but is it a great microphone? Absolutely. Is it something a lot of people use? Yes However, if you don't know how to use one or why It's not a really good idea. Then there's this one The uh, let me go back there. Boom 14. Yeah Oh, there we go. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. Yeah the the 414 See now we just have to run through all these again. Okay. Okay. Why is there fish? Then this one and this one I just we're just seeing two slides. That's all we see. I think that's right. Okay, right So here's the the akgc 414. This is This is a mic that is is legendary if you watch old pink floyd movies This is what they were using that and some other some other interesting stuff Click on the on your on your screen click on the other slide because we're only seeing the floor microphone slide right now That's the one i'm showing you. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about the 214 No, no, no, i'm still talking about the 414 got 1300 1414 100 bucks Is it a great mic? Yes. Yeah, but here's the thing about all of these guys Not one of them in any way shape or form Will change the way you read copy. I don't get this is going to make me sound great I don't think it matters because you can probably get just as good a sound With one of these guys there's the c214 for you know for 500 bucks It's the same capsule and the same electronics as the 414. It just doesn't have changes in patterns And a pad on it and all that stuff that is important In the environment that a 414 would be used in which is a professional recording studio that is acoustically sterile and neutral Unlike your closet, which is you're going to hear hangers rolling and the air conditioning going on and all those sorts of things 500 bucks you can get a mic that sounds Just like a 414 because it is a 414 without all the other bells and whistles And then george was talking just before about this guy the road nt one fifth generation We're still seeing the we're still seeing the other slide for some you're still seeing the other slide Okay, why is that? Well, I don't know Just show just we share with the The two microphones slide and maybe we'll see you mean that one There we go. Yeah, we stuck or something got it. Yeah Technology's not perfect. Anyway, this is the 414 the 2 14 over here before that's going up in price If that's 479 that's going up in price. All right That was off of the website of the leading retailer of these things this afternoon. So How do you like them apples? But for $269 I've seen we've seen it as low as 249. This is the road nt one fifth gen It does the 32 bit float thing that george was just talking about a little while ago It also it will take usb. So it makes a great Quote road mic ad Yes, yeah, road. Exactly. Uh, and it will Obviously be very easy to use because you can plug it in usb run the 32 bit float thing, which is still a whole other discussion But the nt one and it When george and I checked this out when we were at vio atlanta It was like this sounds even better than the old nt one It just clean crisp road makes a microphone that is very very quiet And this is what we've been recommending to a lot of people if you have an interface It will also work with an xlr And uh, but it also I think most people are going to use it that way A lot of traditional way right, but you have the capability to use it the other way And once you understand and learn how that works this thing I think is going to be A We both think it's a real game changer when it comes to voiceover mics If you're just starting out and you want a nice mic That is not going to color your voice at all or add any noise or pick up every Sound around including a couple of cockroaches, you know cowering in the corner That's what you want is one of these but also really important if you're using a road mic Talk to the gold dot do not talk to the dot Talk to them god. It's been happening all week. That mic is one of the most often miss miss aimed or misdirected studio mics It's amazing how often people have that the wrong way.  And They flip it around and like Oh, I mean because you know you talk to the wrong side you get that That's what it sounds like. Why are the acoustics so bad because you're talking into the wrong side of the mic Anyway So, yeah You don't have to have an expensive mic Don't let anyone convince you that the more expensive mic. It's going to get you more gigs. It's nonsense What's going to get you more gigs and voiceover is proper training good acting Improv and making yourself sound different from everybody else not making yourself Highlighting what is different about your voice That's what sells. It's not the microphone. Is it nice to have a nice microphone? Yes But as I always say if you're going to drive a Ferrari, you got to have a really nice garage for it Right and it's you've got to have the right acoustical properties in order to use a professional microphone Like this one or the one that george is using. What are you using tonight? Um, this is a this is the earthworks ethos, which is definitely falls out of the usual idea of what a studio might might be this was really Kind of marketed towards the podcast, you know video person But I did do a whole video about it and um, I used it inside a booth for comparison and context and I was really amazed at how good it sounds as a Studio mic, you know, it's really not considered one, but that's what that's what I have right now in front of me Okay, price point on that 360 369 379 like they lowered the price dramatically. This was originally a $699 mic Wow, this is one of those rare cases where the mic price went down way down actually fascinating anti inflation All right, or what we refer to as Alrighty, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna answer your questions You still have time to throw yours in there if you've got a question about your home voiceover studio equipment Or the sound or any of these things throw it in the chat room right now We'll get to it right after these important messages.  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Have it in your arsenal of tools It will elevate your branding to have Source connect in your toolbox trust me Not like having an expensive microphone will but having a connection like this That is what the top studios and producers use is a No-brainer probably Will pay for itself if you get the subscription The monthly subscription will pay for itself In just the exposure to clients that it gives you because you're now in a database searchable For getting more gigs and you're just going to have the branding and the Cache of having this professional tool doesn't mean it's going to work right out of the box You got to have a right sounding studio that sounds great You do have to have a handle on your noise floor can't just rely on plugins So talk to me if you're thinking about getting source connect Talk to us over at george the tech and we'll make sure your audio is what it's supposed to be And where it needs to be so you can be using source connect to bolster your career Anyway, let's get back to the show here after this message right now Is ai coming for your voiceover career is it going to take all of your jobs? Man do we hear that question a lot and there's a lot of people That are fearful that the answer to that is yes well I've been working in performance and technology simultaneously throughout my career beginning in the 70s and i've seen the incursion of technology both good and bad And I want you to have the fact so what i'm going to do is i'm going to put together a course Which i'm going to give away for free i'm aiming for mid august or so Talking about synthetic voices and what they mean to your future and your success So it'll be at voheroes.com Um, I'll give you details as soon as we're ready to go. I'm david h. Lawrence the 17th I thank you so much for watching and for listening to vobs and stand by we'll get that course to you very soon Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop It's great All right, we're back This is georgia nye's Favorite part of what we do every other week when we reach for this show And that is your questions if you got a question throw it in the chat room We got a few in here and we're gonna run through them and give you the right answers At least we think they are I'm dead again. You never know Starting with art needle who's watching us on youtube looking at gear options for a home studio like the ssl2 interface Audacity is not compete compatible needs an asio. Is that necessarily true any recommendations for reaper courses for dummies That are vo specific not music. Yes, don't use reaper Reaper is not for dummies No, it is not frank nor nor is it really for voiceover reaper We we have an entire course on using reaper for vio at george d.tech four hours long um, it's a lot I'm I'm telling you it's a lot I mean if you love customization and you're a bit of a geek at heart and you like Getting under the hood and making things work the way you want them to work You're gonna love reaper if you like tools that are ready to do voiceover work Out of the box with minimal configuration You will not like reaper at all. So i'm just giving you that straight up But if you want to learn it, we've got really good content on how to get reaper up and running right The thing is about reaper. It it does not have a good workflow for voiceover Now without a lot of work to get it set up to do it exactly right and there are other software platforms You can use you don't have to set up like that things like well twisted wave Which I understand now has a pc version Since clearly art is using a pc because it says it needs a asio an asio driver right so It might go ahead I don't know about the whole needing asio to use an ssl 2 interface I think I My understanding is the ssl 2 is what they call a class compliant usb device Which should mean that if you plug it into your windows pc the windows will say oh, there's a stereo usb Interface I know what it is Let me Set that up using my magic windows multimedia sound drivers So it will just start to magically work in zoom and audacity. I think It will do that You don't necessarily have to have asio compatible Stuff or you don't necessarily have to use something other than audacity It's the more complex audio interfaces with multiple channels a console a control panel That kind of thing where um, you absolutely have to use their proprietary driver and software and asio anybody can Confirm that please let me know if you're using an as if you're using an ssl 2 on your windows pc with audacity Let us know put it in the chat down below. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting a lot of people saying I'm using reaper It's like the majority of people I'm using reaper Who is telling people that this is a great piece of software for voiceover? Unless you actually know what it does and how it does it and when you should use it there You don't need that kind of sophistication, especially if you're just starting out You don't learn how to drive You know a sports car there we are with the sports car analysis again Until you really know how to drive You know it could be a little scary that way or You don't learn how to build the car that you're going to drive either If you're a normal person Some people there are some weird ones that are out there might be like, oh, I won't drive until I until I build it Okay, we'll get for you But then the normal world is you go and buy a car that already runs And you know this DAW is can be built into something powerful But it takes a lot of time and patience and learning curve to do it Wouldn't it be just nice if you just turned on your computer hit record and went I Think if you're a voice actor, that's what you should be looking for if you are Someone that does some very specific parts of like e-learning or maybe you're working in a very specific industry that has a particular need for the capabilities of Reaper then that's a unique outlier situation the vast majority of actors need just Clean audio with a very easy to use interface I totally agree and I hate the monochrome for you meter Something that is a real problem with to me with you know with Reaper because i'm trying to teach people proper Modulation and green yellow red Green real and it all has his green. I suppose you can change the color, but you can't change. It's all still monochrome. It's not obvious That's the problem. It's just another one of the things. It's just not obvious if you can do it It's just not clear next question from ray of all divinos. I'll bet you I pronounced that right Uh, if you generally keep your if you generally keep your computer on all the time Would you suggest turning off the interfaces phantom powered to the microphone when not recording? I don't think I would bother. I don't this phantom power has been on this thing for months And it still works. You're not gonna It's designed to take phantom power. That's what it does and it can do it forever It's not going to burn out unless you have a tube in there And uh, this might doesn't have a tube It's a very very small amount of power like very very small amount of current. So It's doing very very little to little to the microphone. There's almost zero heat involved I don't think there is any heat that comes from it because of the power level.  So yeah, I I don't bother. I don't worry about it. I leave mine on Essentially all the time Does that mean you leave your computer on all the time? I essentially leave my computer on all the time I shut it down when I have an issue if something is acting up or acting funky Then I do a total shutdown Restart bring it back up again and get back to work If I was disciplined, I would probably shut it off on Friday Turn it back on Monday morning And just leave it on all week, but I don't I should but I don't I leave it on all the time I turn off the monitors. I have a master switch that shuts off my speakers the monitors the lights You know one switch but the computer stays on You know keeps right on going depends on how paranoid I'm feeling Mm-hmm When I leave the studio at night I'm like Are there russians listening in? You know, I mean if your computer's on it can be Accessed if it's off it can't so that's a good point. Yeah, so no it's not going to affect your microphone at all Uh, you get a question from jeff All right jeff Continuing the story jeff. Do you want to uh? Yeah, he can actually ask the question himself. Yeah, why not there. Hey there. Hey buddy How's it going? Okay, so uh I spoke to a ts and they said that I can hang the cotton batting directly on my wall just put some nails directly uh Through the batting through the wall and my question to you guys is Is there any kind of like metallic composition for nails that would make It any less reflective or you know reverberant? Unless you're using really really big nails with really big heads on them I You know, there's there's such a small cross-section like there when the sound's hitting that Cotton, you know the the nail cross-section or surface area is so minuscule compared to the Huge surface area of the um cotton and stuff Okay, I'm concerned now. Yeah, don't worry about it. Like you're not going to use 100 nails. Please don't use 100 nails Just just use maybe five or 10 whatever it takes to get to hang it up So it doesn't sag too much and kind of stays in the shape you want it to be in It's not all that different from hanging a blanket on the wall really And uh, you'll be fine. I wouldn't worry about it at all. I and I just use like a I don't know if a 10 penny finishing nail makes any sense Whatever, I can't remember what a 10 penny nail is but a finishing nail is what I usually use It just has the very small nail head And finishing nail great.  All right, thanks Now I had to install a studio last week with a bunch of orlex foam and it was a you know a closet with a with a bare wall And I had these big pieces of orlex I used roofing nails because that held it really really clean and as long as you pound it into the foam You can't see it anyway, and it's not you know orlex is going to absorb and deflect it anyway Yeah, the orlex will the head of the nail will kind of sink below the Surface even if it holds it really really tight. So yeah, but a nail head that that's that big You're going to need a sledgehammer for anyway, and I have is that big. Yeah, you don't really want to use this Yeah, yeah, no, I I think the finishing nails work great. It's uh They're easy to remove later. They they they you can hang it you can put the nails up then hanging on the nails You know it's it's very instead of like holding the holding the material in place with your arm and then holding one nail and then Putting it in play just just put a few nails up on the wall and just stick it right on there It'll oh, I see because there's no head. It'll just go right right on Yeah, it's not going to hold it up to the wall Like very tightly like you can take it down easily Um, but um, it'll hold it fine. I mean if it falls off the wall, it's not going to hurt anybody So, you know, all right. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Sure. All right. Thanks, Jeff All righty next question we have Is from Maurice a scott. I guess that separates him from the rest of the Maurice scott's um Anyway, what audio interfaces would you suggest for traveling to use with mac ios devices? Well Mac or ios devices. Okay. Yeah. Well with a mac. I mean almost any interface Yeah, uh, you know, it's you know, as long as it's small and portable or a good a good usb mic Like we were just saying the uh, the road into Nt 1 5th gen would probably make a really nice travel mic Um, you just got to set it up, right? And again, you know, when you when you're traveling One you're not going to be able to reproduce the sound you have in your home studio. You can do auditions Uh on the road you can do One you know one done productions like you know a 30 second commercial or something like that And it's only going to be on that mic because the difference in sound between wherever you are and where you normally Record is going to be very Very different So get that out of your head that you've got to Try to recreate the sound that you have at home. It can't be done So when you're doing stuff on the road You know, you you're going to be using different stuff Some people bring the same mic on the road, but the acoustics are going to be totally wrong I would definitely not attempt to try to pick up a project. Oh no midway Like you know, it's just like I'm going to keep working on that same audio book while I'm on the road Don't even dream of attempting that that would be a bad idea Well, you probably remember 12 years ago when I had that bad infected toe as we were trying to get the show on the ground And I you know, I've had my iPad while I'm sitting there in the hospital for three days And they were like, can you insert this word? and I'm like maybe But I did it on my iPad and like one word and I knew how to futz with it, but Right, right a word or a single a single line if you really know what you're doing You can probably fit that in or edit it in but yeah, it is absolutely not something to become normalized Right, um or normalized or something you want to make a use of on a regular basis Right, um, I would say, uh, you know for traveling You know, I focus on things that are obviously ultra portable But I wouldn't I I do like the use of shotgun mics for traveling because they do focus in on the voice better um You know the at 2020 No, sorry the at 875 are this one here 875 are under $200 plug it into a usb interface and you have An excellent travel mic The mic port pro 3 is an excellent travel audio interface Yep, especially if you want to plug it into an iphone because it has a battery and a battery is required to power the microphones electronics And the headphone amp and everything else because the iphone doesn't have the juice or the support To power all that stuff. So you need a battery powered unit So if you're really wanting to record a pro mic into an iphone or ios device You need something like that. It has to have power to to work Yeah But don't do it on the road. I mean there are people that have to do it on the road If you're just starting out, this is another one of those things like Because they hear people talking about well, I can record on the road when you're just starting out. You think you have to do that Really, you only have the only reason you would record on the road if you're just starting out is if you're doing auditions And just let let people know that this is not what your normal studio sounds like So you're not really doing yourself any favors trying to record on the road Unless it's not a good first impression thing. No, it's not so it's a good a customer accommodation where You get you get somebody like an agent or whatever saying can you just get it recorded? I know it's not going to be great, but they just need to hear you That's a different story if you're making a first impression with a new client or some Something from the internet not a good idea. No, so don't if you can record on the road people who do it Are very good at it and have lots of practice. It is not something you have to learn right off the top It's the black belt of audio recording Yeah, it's the black belt with a couple of with a couple of slashes on it. Anyway, I'll let you read this last one here All right, this one's for dan from batina A few months ago. She says dan is great a few months ago. He helped me put together my studio and helped me with adobe audition I'm not very savvy with technology and he made it less scary Here's a nice testimonial. Thank you You know something people are totally intimidated by all this stuff Because they hear the word computer And program and stuff like that and bit rate and you know and and kilobytes per second and all these other things It's not really that hard And if you talk to one of us george or I We will put you at ease. It's amazing. There's nothing more That makes me happier that when I finish a session with a client and you see them literally go Oh Because they've been if you've been on youtube if you've been on facebook if you've been asking these questions You're getting all this different information from different people Who whose vast experience in home studios is in one studio their own All right, uh, not about the eureka moment. Yes When they go, oh You know, but also just the relief of getting that boulder off of their shoulders And being so intimidated by it and I really enjoy that and we we make it very very simple Alrighty, thanks for all your questions. Excellent. I hopefully gave you really good answers. 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We got lots of great stuff for you Uh, big thanks to jeff holman in the chat room tonight Getting all those questions to us and all those comments, which was great Sumer lino hanging out there in her place Just pushing buttons and making us do all sorts of funny things like single shots and double shots and triple shots And switching our positions And putting up putting up the the bottom thirds and all that so we really appreciate that sue and of course lee penny Just for being lee penny Look guys, we know this is not an easy business especially right now with so many people getting in it What's going to make you different? What's going to what's going to what is your competitive point of difference? What's going to make you unique? Having really good sound is really important because it will allow people to highlight that what is different about you And it won't be because they can't hear you because your audio is not very good Right, but the bottom line really is if it sounds good It is good. I'm dan Leonard And i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vo bs tech talk Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week