And of course, and my answer is always, well, yes, it absolutely can. This is why, and we, we use the same terminology is that these skills should be used for Jedi purposes only. And it's always about the intent behind those actions. That's what I say to people all the time. That's a difference between manipulation and influence is your intent. If I'm looking out just to get what I want, regardless of how you feel, that intent means that your feelings are probably going to get stomped on. But if I want to accomplish goal A, but I do care how you feel, which means it will adjust my methodology. Now I can do that in an influential way, not a manipulative way. And that difference really could change the way that you operate using these skills. And let's be honest, an objective, get in the building, get documents is a one time thing versus risk of reputation that happens when you use these skills to your advantage, to the disadvantage of others in a manipulative way. And that reputation can be ruined forever. So it is important to understand that, hey, it's great to understand how this can get you in the building, this can get you in that room, this can get you that password.  They might even post online, hey, don't have anything to do with that person because the way you carried yourself. Now you brought up pretext and I want to talk about this because once you understand this, it's a really powerful concept and I want to get into a little bit of your preparation because on a lot of these missions, you're in a different role. Like for me and Johnny, of course, we'd love to walk into every room and win people over and sure many in our audience would love to schmooze with everyone in a networking environment or have that great first date. But you have an even more important objective that's like I can't not win this person over. I have to ensure that this person likes me. So let's talk about pretext in your mindset going into those situations where the stakes are so high. When we look at social engineering from a security perspective, like what I do for a living, so not everyday life, my goal is to make sure the person I'm interacting with has to think as little as possible. Because the minute someone jumps out of alpha mode into beta mode, their brain starts processing. Now they're going to start analyzing everything I say, everything I look like, everything I do. And they're going to say, does that make sense to what I believe to be the truth right now? And if it doesn't, I'm usually going to lose, right? So a really quick example. I have this woman that works for me, her name is Shelby. She's probably 5'1". She weighs 95 pounds. Literally, I can curl her. She's like tiny. If we're going to go break in a building together and let's make believe our pretext is going to be pest control, I have to be the boss. Now, it's not politically correct. It's a stinky answer, right? Because she's smarter than me. She's physically more attractive than me. She's everything better, right? So she should, in essence of hierarchy, be the boss. But reality is, is that if two of us walk in, tiny little female, big man, and she's the boss of a pest control company, they're going to start thinking. The minute they start thinking, they go, why is she the boss and not him? And now they're going to start analyzing the words we say, the things that we do, and we're going to get caught, right? So your pretext, in the case of my job, our pretext has to be something that will create the least amount of thinking possible. Which means I have to think about what I say, my clothing, any artifacts, like a clipboard or other tools that are involved. If I say I'm pest control, but I'm wearing a button-up shirt like this, they're going to go, wow, that's the nicest dress for a pest control guy, right?  So when I say I'm pest control, they go, oh, that makes sense. And there's little thinking. So the pretext is not just the story that you're saying, but it's everything that supports the story to make sure that the target doesn't have to think much when you say your first few words. And there's nonverbal communication in that as well. Huge, huge. Because so imagine this, it's your first time. And this, you know, I'll use Shelby as an example. First time we're breaking the building together. She's nervous. I mean, terribly scared. Like what if we get caught? What if somebody pulls a gun? What if this, okay, great, you know what? Here's what you're going to do. You're going to use your fear as part of your pretext. Because if we go in all confident, but she has fear and fears like this, right? Eyes open, tense muscles. They start seeing that. They go, wait, this doesn't, they may not go nonverbally. She is incongruent. They don't know that. But their brain says, hey, this is not matching what I'm being told. And then they feel unsafe. So what we say is let's use this. How about when we go in, you kind of do the look down at your watch and you say, oh, man, we are running so late. Like, you know, the boss is going to be ticked. We are not going to get to the next appointment in 30 minutes. Now, when they see fear or nervousness or irritation, the excuse is that we're late, right? So now their brains can excuse the emotion that they see. And that makes perfect sense. Or what she did, which I thought was genius, is she was like, this guy won't let us eat lunch until we finish this job. And I'm starving because I miss breakfast. Now, anything they see, I'm the bad guy, right?  The lady in the elevator even said, you should feed this little girl. And I'm like, hey, listen, if she gets the job done, she can eat, right? I had to throw that one out. I'm like, thanks for warning me, Shelves, right?  But I had to throw that one out there, right? But it's like, at least with that, how I could sit back and do any weird nonverbals that they see, they're excused away.  So the person never has to think. And there's this momentum that's carrying through, right? So at the very beginning, our spidey senses are up. And you write in the book that there are four questions that we ask ourselves when we encounter a stranger. But once we start to move down that aisle, and if you've ever been on a used car lot, you'll find yourself sitting down in a chair talking price because there is this momentum. And when you understand the momentum, well, you can work it to your advantage. But what are those four questions that we're asking ourselves when you show up as pest control and I was not expecting you? Yeah, that's a great one. So first, who are you? And let's not make a mistake. This does not need to be your life story. The simple answer in this pretext is on pest control. What do you want? Again, it doesn't need to be long. I need to go spray the 15th floor. That's what I was hired for. Look, it says on my work order, right? How long will this take? This is a huge one because people want to know how long are you going to be involved in my life? So you're like, look, we've got another appointment in 45 minutes. So we're going to be in and out of here real quick, right? And last, are you a threat?  That is not a great way to do a pretext, right? I'm not here to steal anything, right? That is also terrible. That's called negating the frame. But your nonverbals, your facial expressions, and the way you approach all indicate threat or not.  And now I make her feel threatening. But if I blade my hips away from her and I kind of hold my clipboard, so I'm kind of pointing and saying, oh, look, this is why I'm here. My work order says this. Now I'm telling her I'm not threatening. Once you answer those four questions in a very non-answerable, like you don't just say them, like when they're answered, the brain does something amazing. It makes this decision, our brainstem makes this decision to say, I trust this person. Once that is made, the neocortex does something that is fascinating. It only looks for proof that your decision you just made is right. It's the most flawed part of human nature that I'm like, why are we this way? I don't understand it, but it's just amazing to me because then it says, if you accomplish it, you build trust. Neocortex has just looked for reasons that he's trustworthy. Now if you screw it up, they're going to look for reasons that you're not trustworthy and you're going to have to work really hard. I was just going to say, it goes the other way as well and there's this idea that I use all the time called no mode. So if you're trying to work your magic and for whatever reason, you run into a roadblock and they go to no mode where you're not getting in or this is not working or this is not happening, they made that decision. They're stuck in that. There's no getting them out once they've made that decision. And any forcing of them or just trying to maneuver only makes them go to no mode even harder. They're true because they think about it. So you come up, let's say you answer two of the questions. I'm pest control and I want to go spray 15. So you answer those two. How long will you be here? Let's say you didn't do that right and you left them feeling a little threatened. Now they're in that mode where they're like, okay, I know that you say you're pest control, but you are really aggressive, man. Now for me to backpedal from that, I have to first explain, I have to understand if they don't say it, I have to try to understand what is the emotion they're expressing, which let's say I could pick up on fear. Then I have to explain the fear. Why would you have fear of me? And if I can do that, maybe there's a chance. So I'll give you an example of this. I used to wear, when pandemic first started, I thought it'd be funny. I had this mask that was the Hulk mouth, right? So and you know, I just thought it was funny and it's but it's like these gritting teeth that looks like the Hulk. And I'm walking in a grocery store and I'm looking down at this list my wife gave me. And I round a corner and I basically like bam into a tiny woman that was coming the other way. Now a lot of times I think and you guys have probably seen this and talk about this in your class. What guys do is like they don't step out of the way for a woman, right? So but I realized that I'm going to do that.  Her eyes were wide. And I realized, oh man, not only did I just run into her, I'm six foot three. She's like five foot two. And I got this Hulk anger face.  I am so sorry. I said, then you look up and see this. You must think like I'm just on a rage pill. And she goes, yeah. And I'm like, I am so sorry. I said, look, I don't want to take this down and show you that I'm smiling because you know the pandemic and everything.  I'm really sorry. And she goes, thank you. And she walked away with a big smile. And now I wasn't trying to build a relationship with her. I don't know if she walked away and hated my guts. But I quickly took the fear that was on her face and dispelled it and let her know I'm not aggressive. I'm not raging.    And all of that made her, oh, she breathed. Her shoulders went down. I didn't see the fear in her eyes. And it was something that quick, just realizing again what we started off talking about what happened. I walked in, I have the mask on. I'm way bigger than her. I bumped into her. Normal guy is going to be like, get out of my way instead of moving out of her way. And now I needed to change everything about that dynamic to make her feel safe. And something that simple, 30 second interaction. And I feel like she left feeling better for having met me as opposed to afraid for her safety. Now you mentioned you swiveled your hips there. What was that nonverbal signal about? Where our feet and our hips point indicate where our interest is, right? So like right now I'm pointing at you guys, even though we're not in the physical space. But imagine if I did the whole podcast like this. I mean, this would be off-putting for you.  Because it's awkward because we're supposed to look at each other when we talk, right? So interest says, I'm supposed to be facing you.  Which is why, look, I always tell people in meetings, if you have two monitors, put the camera on the monitor where you're going to be looking because it'd be bad if your pictures were over here because even this is weird, right? So our hips say to the person who's watching us, this is where your interest is. So when I bumped into her and now she's feeling fear, if I stayed facing her, what her brain is indicating is this guy is aggressive and he's interested in me and that aggression doesn't feel good right now. That interest doesn't feel good because of the aggression. So by pointing my hips away, I'm basically saying, hey, that little bit of aggression you just saw, that wasn't about you, I'm so sorry.  Please, please go right ahead. And it led her feel like there was nothing about you in this scenario. It was literally just an aloof person looking down at their phone. Now, blading the hips away gives her that comfort level. Taking that tension off of the interaction that just happened. Now, pretext, many in our audience aren't going to be pretending to be pest control. They're probably not breaking into buildings. But we can use pretext in very natural situations and you give it a great example in the book. Maybe you have an Android, you see someone that you want to talk to online with an iPhone, hey, I'm an Android user. I'd love to get your thoughts on iPhone. I'm thinking about switching. Pretext, right?  We can do this in very small ways that don't involve costumes and don't involve elaborate stories, but they again go a long way towards warming that person up to whatever the potential for conversation is. Well, I just wanted to add to that as well. When I was going through the book and the pretext part came up, and obviously, as AJ mentioned, our guys aren't going to be trying to hack into a bank. However, I always talk about having certain missions in your life. Maybe you have a romantic mission to get married, have a family. Maybe you have a career mission. Maybe you have a passion project mission. So this pretext idea comes in very handy there because now that you have this mission, maybe you're going to a networking event and there's certain people that you're going to want to meet. That mission now gives you the goal that is being set up, and now you can use the pretext to prepare yourself, to go into that networking event to make the most of it. So that gives our audience a bit of some insight there. And I think that's a good example. You know, one of the things that I would do often if I'm traveling and I want to interact with people, let's say I'm alone and I just want to have a conversation, I may be sitting at the bar in the hotel and I look at someone and I go, hey, what are you drinking? Is it good? And a lot of times people are like, yeah, I don't know, they name a drink. Now I order it, right? Now I've learned my lesson. I'll give you a couple of bad examples. I don't really like fruity sweet drinks. And I did that a couple of times without looking at what people were drinking and ended up having to drink something horrific. But, you know, so I usually look for someone who's like got a glass that looks like something I would enjoy. And I'm like, hey, what are you drinking? Is it good at the first time here? And they tell you, now when you first, you ask for their advice, which is very validating. Now if I order the thing that they say, I'm rewarding that validation by saying I trust you enough to actually spend my money on something you recommended. Then I get it and I drink it and I go, wow, this is good. Thank you. More validation. That right there builds rapport right away because of that. And now I can start a conversation with the person and all I did was get a drink that I wanted anyway, right? And so that's a pretext. The pretext could be, I want to start a conversation with this person and I'm going to order the same drink as them. And it's not a lie. It's not based in falsehood. It's not based in something that's malicious. I wanted to go to the bar and drink and I wanted to have a conversation with someone. This was a way of doing it as opposed to ordering my own drink, walking up to a complete stranger and saying, hey, do you want to talk? That's going to be weird. Most people are going to go, no, weirdo, right? Now they're going to walk away. So by doing it this way, you make it okay for their brain to lower that force field. You answer those four questions and now you can have a conversation. Now, naturally, some environments lower the force field to begin with. So you sitting at a bar a lot easier than on a busy street corner when someone appears in a rush. So environment plays a role in our pretexting. So that we understand that there are just certain moments where it doesn't matter all of this backstory that you have where people just aren't even going to give you that window of opportunity. It's not a conducive environment for that interaction. Yeah, I mean, think about it. If I'm on a street corner and I walk up to the same exact person, and I went, hey, tonight, when you're at the hotel, what are you going to drink? I'm curious. I'm going to be like, what? Like, why are you asking me this? And what do you mean at the hotel? Like, do you know what hotel I'm at? Like, all of a sudden, now they're all just thinking and you're a creep, right? You're not a guy who won't have a conversation with. The pretext has to match your location, the person, the environment, what's happening, right? So if it was a busy street corner, I might be something like, hey, excuse me, do you have a second? I'm lost. Do you know where like third and 27th is? You know, I may do something like that. And now they can say, oh, man, I'm too busy. Okay, no problem. Or yeah, hang on. Where's your phone? I'm like, I keep trying to use the GPS, but the skyscrapers keep stopping it. It's like, I'm all over the place, right?  You're like, man, thank you so much. I asked like four people and people are just too busy in this city, but you're here really cool. Thank you. Hey, my name's Chris. You know, and now we have a small conversation with somebody. The pretext, that one wouldn't make sense sitting at the bar. The same way the drink one wouldn't make sense on a street corner.  Otherwise, like you said before, it just seems too odd and people feel uncomfortable with it. That time constraint, right? It's answering one of those questions that we all have.  Hey, do you have 30 minutes to fill out the survey? How many times have you walked by that person with the clipboard? And we've even had this in New York where we'd stop them and say, hey, change the time. If you're going to say five minutes, say five seconds, just to get me holding the clipboard. Once it's in my hands, I'm more likely to fill it out and go to five minutes. But if you're starting with a long time, I have no time for you. I'm not interested. I've done that too where I said to them, hey, guys, try this. Just try saying, do you have 15 to 30 seconds for a quick survey? Try that, because that's believable. But when you say, do you have five minutes for a survey? I'm like, I don't have five minutes for you, man. No, I'm out. You know? And I was like, I'm going to walk back here in about 30 minutes. I want you to tell me how that works, right? And I tell them, I give them like a homework assignment. I'll come walking back and from across the street, they'll be like, bro, that's amazing. And I'm like, yeah, there you go. There's your tip for the day. To go along with it, we used to do this experiment with our classes every week. Our clients would have to go on the Hollywood Boulevard and get their first impression from random strangers. And the random strangers had to write it into a notebook so they could get a glimpse of what their body language and demeanor was saying to other people. And of course, everyone was utterly terrified at first. And then they would start to get more comfortable the more they did it. And what people were writing went from shy, nervous, to brave, confident. And they start to feel very good about themselves. But what everyone had to do to engage with the people who were walking was all over the map. For those who were really nervous, they're trying to do everything but ask them to do the exercise. And they're like, excuse me. Can you help me? No, right? They're getting a lot of no's. But when they just said, hey, all I need is your first three words that would describe my first oppression, they're like, oh, I just got to write three words and you're going to leave me alone? Great, I'll do it all day. But it was just great watching everyone, how they were computing of how they were going to get this done. But a lot of times, and certainly in this example, the most straightforward way was the only way to get it done. But because they were so afraid, there were anything but going straightforward. You know what I find too, probably you found this in your classes, is that a lot of people like to judge how they think other people will react based on what they think they'll do. Like, I would never answer these questions, so no one will answer them. And I'm like, okay, now that you said that, you got it out of your system, I want you to trust me. I want you to go out tonight and try it anyway. And when they do, they come back and go, oh my God, that worked. I'm like, right, because not everyone is you sitting in a security class, right? They're not thinking that way. So, you know, just try it. The beliefs that they had that were shattered was just insurmountable.  And so, when we got back, I was like, what did you learn? Well, I learned that everything that I thought was untrue. Good, now we have a great place to start. And it goes exactly into your prepare, which I believe the last E was ego, right? We needed to squash, get rid of that ego so that everyone would be able to start learning. Because all the ideas that they had was preventing them from moving forward. And that acronym, I always use this constant method of re-evaluation. You constantly have to evaluate where you are to adjust. Because also, what may work for me today, may not work for me in three months from now, or even next week, right? Things may change. My personality, attitude, moods, the people I'm dealing with, the location going from New York to LA, I'm going to meet wholly different people, right? So the pretext may not, they may not, they will not be able to stay the same. I have to adjust based on so many different factors. And if I just say, well, this pretext works for me, well, that worked for me in this moment, but it doesn't mean it's going to work forever. So you have to constantly adjust. Now, what also came up in that exercise is oftentimes we would find that the first flattering comment written down on a first impression, handsome, confident, bold, brave, often empowered them to take more action and do more of those exercises. But I think where many people falter in this area is they overuse flattery. And they think that if I just give compliments, hey, nice shirt, great watch, that I can start to get people like me and I can start building that rapport. And that actually works against you. So I'd love to talk about flattery when you think it's okay to use it and how you approach it in social engineering situations and then just actually trying to win friends. Yeah, I love this question. I really do. So I'm going to answer. I'm going to tell you a fail story, a time I failed so miserably. It was embarrassing. So I entered this building. I was really nervous. It was kind of new in the field. And this secretary who I was supposed to get bypassed, she had all these pictures of her family, her kids, her two daughters and her on her desk. And they're all facing out. So many of them. So I was like, okay, that means in my head, she's not embarrassed to people to see her family. She's very proud of her children and her. As I approach, I don't see any husband in the pictures. This is two, looks like two preteen daughters and her. And they're always on these vacations on a beach. Now, I don't know what was happening in my head, but I thought I'm going to try compliments, see. But my brain probably knew what was happening, but there was no way to stop it. My hand reached for a picture as I went up to the desk and she goes, hey, how can I help you? And the picture I grabbed just happened to be her to preteen daughters and bikinis. And I went, wow, they're beautiful. And as it's coming out, you know how like a cartoon, I'm like reaching for the words. I'm like, no words, please come back.  And she does this.  She takes the picture out of my hand and she goes, how can I help you? And I went, I forgot something in the car. I'll be right back. I never came back. I just got in the car and drove away, right? Here's the point I learned from that. Compliments, they have to be at the level of rapport that you presently have. See, just because I think that this woman is beautiful doesn't mean I have the right to tell her that. I don't have the right to tell her because my level of rapport with her may be complete stranger. And a complete stranger telling this woman that she's beautiful is not flattery. It's creepy, right? So at what level of rapport could a person tell another person that their two preteen daughters are beautiful? You better be really good friends, right? Some of my best friends can tell me that my daughter is beautiful. Other than that, I'm wondering why you're saying it, right? Because why are you interested in my daughter who's way younger than you, right? So unless we're best friends, that is not an appropriate compliment. So our rapport and level of relationship indicates what compliments can be given. And oftentimes what I find in my classes that people make mistakes at is they give compliments thinking that the bigger and the better the compliment, the more rapport will be built. It's the very opposite.  Even if she believes it, let's say she woke up this morning and she goes, wow, I am beautiful. I say it and she's like, what do you want? Because there's no reason why a stranger would walk up unless you want something. So rapport wasn't there. Where what I should have done with that woman, that very same as I should have said, wow, you have so many beautiful pictures of vacations. You know, I stink at vacation planning. It looks like you're great. What beach is this? Because this looks like my kids would have a great time here. And now I'm validating her vacation planning, her picture taking, not her children. And that level of compliment is okay when you're a stranger, not talking about her preteen daughters in bathing suits, right? So where you are in the stream of your relationship that dictates what compliments you can give. Again, going back to asking for advice and opinion, you're raising that person's status and you're creating a level of rapport that I already trust you in your opinion, which is why we always teach our clients that a better compliment is around a personality trait than anything external. Because external is anyone can use it and a lot of times, shady nefarious people are using it just the same. So to really stand out for the right reasons, hey, you're great at picking vacations. I'd love advice on where to plan the next family trip. It's going to be a much better received compliment than, hey, you're beautiful or I love your watch or great shoes, which are just so surface level and throw away in many of these situations. And the only time those things work, in my opinion, at least or what I've seen, and I can actually say this is even more than opinion, like let's use the watch one. And I don't know anything about watches. And I wear a plastic Fitbit, so I'm not a watch guy. But I have a friend who loves watches. Like if he can look across the room and he can tell you the brand name of watch you have that it's made from platinum the year it was made, like the special cog that's inside, he can even say, hey, does yours have the engraving on the back? Now, if someone did that, right, if you were wearing one of those special watches and somebody came up and went, hey, man, is that the Elite X4237 watch? Like, man, there's only 100 of those made on earth. That's a beautiful timepiece. Now you feel special, right? So now that kind of compliment is different because they actually sharing knowledge and that they know something unique, right? I had this amazing experience where I knew I was getting SE'd and it wasn't nefarious or malicious. I had an Audi S6. And anyone who likes Audi knows that when you get the S series that they use red calipers and silver mirrors, right? Those are what make them different.  So that's the sport series, right? Well, I had this young man come out and he's like, whoa, was that the brand new S6? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I just actually got it. And he's like, yeah, this has like 454 horsepower, doesn't it? And I'm like, yeah, you know a lot about Audi. He's like, oh, man, this is my dream car. He goes, I'd love to have this car because I saw you pull in from down there and I saw the silver mirrors and I knew. I knew what it was right away and I had to come over, I can hear the engine. And I'm like, oh, that's cool, man. You know, fist bump and I'm walking away. And he's like, hey, you don't think I can just sit in it, do you?  And he just validated me. He knew everything about the car. He told me it was his dream. And now all he wants to do is sit in it. And I'm like, in my head, I'm going, say no, say no. But my heart's like, I can't, I can't do it.  I'm like, yeah, man, no problems.  He's saying all these things. He's like, hey, man, can I just start it? And I'm like, I am not giving this kid the key. But I'm like, yeah, I'll hold it Bluetooth. You know, bam, he starts it.  He's like, blah, blah, blah, blah.  I love this. And then that's it. He didn't do anything bad. He got out. He said, you made my year.  I'm like, man, when you're my age, you're probably going to own a better car than this. But you know, keep up the good work. You're a cool young guy. Fist bump and he's gone. But I knew what was happening. But he wasn't superficial. He really did know about the car. He really did love the car. And it worked on me. I felt really special. The fact that I had this brand new S6 and he knew all about it, the horsepower, all the things, everything about it. Yeah. It was an interesting thing to watch it happening, know that it's happening and not being able to stop it. And this is a great transition because I do want to talk about using your knowledge to prevent and raise awareness around this is happening because a lot of what we talked about here definitely works for building friendships, winning people over. But in your line of work also gets you in the office building, gets you in the bank and out the back door. So with all the knowledge that you have, it sounds like in this instance, because it was a kid, I don't know exactly why, you were falling for it. But do you find yourself being more on edge and more aware of this in a way that prevents these interactions? Or do you fall into the same traps that we all do as humans around these skills? A good question because I think the answer is, is that we're all human. So I've sent 19 million fishing emails in my career, 19 million fishing emails, all legal, right? I fell for a fish, right? It happens. I'm not proud of it, but I'm an Amazon junkie, right? I am literally like I love Amazon. I would live on that side and never leave home if I didn't have to. And I got a fish that said one of my orders wouldn't be shipped to do with a client credit card and I clicked it.  But I was stressed, I was running late for a flight, I wasn't thinking critically, and I clicked a link, right? So the saving grace was that when it happened, the minute it happened, I knew exactly what happened and I was able to fix it with no repercussions. So where I think there's a value in knowing this and why I tell people to know this is that even if you do end up falling for something, even if that does happen, the knowledge is gonna save you from long lasting repercussions, right? So you can stop a lot of the attacks, but you also could stop the after effects of any attacks that you did fall for. In addition, that this helps you realize when someone may be being malicious with you and not being real, right? So in the case of like, let's say dating or something, you may be sitting in a bar and someone comes up and starts flattering with you. I mean, this happened to me in Vegas, okay? In Vegas, this happened to me. I'm sitting at a bar. We know where this is going. I'm sitting at a bar at Caesar's Palace, right?  And I said, oh, whiskey. And she's like, is it good? I'm not really a whiskey drinker. I said, well, I'm a huge whiskey fan. So if you don't like it, you probably should get something else.  She goes, I trust you. Now she orders what I'm drinking, right? She gets it, she tastes it, he goes, oh, this is actually really good. And I'm thinking, well, okay, she likes it. That's cool. And then she's like, so you're here for the conference. Now, I think that's a great opening question because there's so many conferences in Vegas. And I just went and I didn't realize I'm falling for it. I'm like, yeah, I'm here for the conference. You too? She did not look like a security person, right? And she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm here for the conference. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. I said, yeah, well, you know, there's like 30,000 people here. So I haven't seen you yet. She's like, no, it's no big deal. She goes, it's just been a long day and I'm really stressed. So I wanted to come down here and get a drink. I'm glad it's quiet right now.  And I didn't understand the question.  I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go do that. And she's like, well, I can go with you. And I'm like, oh, no. I said, no, I'm married. I'm good, I'm fine. And she's like, well, you don't have to wear a ring. I said, oh, yeah. I said, I don't wear a ring on my finger a lot because I'm always, you know, I thought she was in security. I'm always breaking into places and stuff.  I'm like, you know, like the social engineering brain. And I'm like, then I'm realizing she's not in that.  I'm falling, I'm like, I'm getting scammed here. Then all of a sudden all the things, and I'm like, hey, they have a nice chatting with you. I'm gonna go, right? And I just walked away, but I'm like, wow, that totally, I didn't fall for it. Nothing happened, but I fell for it, right? Well, this is where it gets important because people are going to use the tools that they have to get what they need. And if you are in their way and they have a tool to get you out of their way or to get you to do something that gets them closer to where they need to go, they're going to use it. This is why this is important to learn these things. It's much like with marketing. And anytime that I discuss body language and stuff, there's a lot of things that ties to marketing and you're gonna see something, an image, it's going to heighten your emotional state. So now you're engaged and it's gonna ask you to do something and then there's a call to action. It's all the same. And the people, when I bring this up and there's always people like, yeah, that kind of stuff doesn't work on me, then you've already been bought and sold a long time ago because you think you're above it. And this is the same thing. And if you know how these things work, well, then you can make better, much more informed decisions that are gonna be better for you then be run around by your nose because your emotions are leading you. And as we're talking here, we're talking about our poor and marketing. We're talking about enhancing emotions. It's all about emotions. When we're using appreciative statements, we're allowing people to feel good when we're making them an expert and asking them for advice, this is heightening their state. AJ and I were, we were in England, we were on a running a program where we're taking the guys out when we had gotten approached by two hustlers who were trying to roll us into a club. And the first thing they said to us was, man, you guys dress smart. And of course we're like, all right, someone appreciates some style around here. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. This is so key and this is why we're so big on taking programs, getting the coaching. Experience is the greatest lesson of everything we just shared today. You are not gonna be scammed at the next conference.  And I read all the travel books around Thailand. And one of my friends was like, adamant, you should get a suit in Thailand. So I went to Thailand, I had a wedding coming up and I was like, oh, maybe I'll get a suit. That was the only thing, but I knew there were gonna be scammers, me and my girlfriend at the time, now wife, we were walking around Thailand and we're like on edge. We know that people are gonna be approaching us and hustling us. We had a long day on this boat tour. We came back, we pulled our map out and we were just a little lost. And one of these took-took drivers came over and he was like, oh, you guys must be Americans. Obama was just here, started warming us up, got us into some rapport and he quickly discerned that I was actually looking for a suit. Now he took me to his suit guy to scam me, but now I know the next time I've traveled, like I'm even more alert and aware of all of these things.  And we had the same thing happen in Barcelona. We had a mastermind there and one of our guys got their phone stolen. And we told the guys that listen, this is notorious for pickpockets. They all said, yeah, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. Next day, two guys got it stolen.  Even if you read all of the books, you listen to all of the podcasts. Yeah, exactly right. Soon as that first incident happened, I made sure that when I went to a bar, I was either with somebody else, when I was in Vegas, I was with somebody else or I sat in a location that it was not convenient for someone to come just sit next to me. And that way I stopped that particular attack from occurring ahead of time. And people can do that, right? If someone listens to this podcast and they're like, oh, I'm about to go to Vegas next month for the first time. And now you know that this is a potential attack. Well, you can stop that by setting up these scripts ahead of time, right? They can hear your story about Thailand and they can set that up. They can hear your story about Barcelona and okay, let's take care of it this way, right? So they can hear stories from others and set up quote unquote scripts to help them stay safe. But sadly, the experience is the best teacher. It's just hope that the experience doesn't equate, have to always equate to massive loss so that way we learn that, right? It's more fun when the experience results and wins. Yes, yes, and wins are just a funny story, right? Maybe a funny story. Like, well, my bar story ended funny because I literally didn't even, you know, I'm an old married guy. I'm like, why would a prostitute, why would anyone would ever approach me like that? I'm like, that doesn't make sense to me. And then, you know, here's this like super attractive younger woman and that didn't dawn on me.  I mean, I live in Orlando.  Like, no, that's desperation, you know? I don't want any, so. A different level. A different level. I wasn't expecting that, you know? And that, yeah, it was an interesting experience. So I learned a lot from that that really helped me to rethink next time, okay, what can I do? So I don't put myself in that situation again. Now the last point I'd love to touch on is in the subtitle, leave them better off for having met you. Seems a little odd coming from a social engineer. What do you mean by that? And what ultimately was your goal with this book? Because I realized that in my job, my job for the last 20 years has been to manipulate people so that way I can break into a bank or steal corporate documents or get you to give me passwords. But these skills have real life use. So I can only tell you stories about me breaking into banks, but how can you, as a citizen reading this book, apply that? So you don't have to do all the things I did. You don't have to lie, you don't have to cheat, you don't have to be manipulative that you can use these very same communication skills to win friends, influence people, but the focus always needs to be how do I do this and leave someone better for having met me? Because if I focus on that, if I think about this, if I, again, that same pretext, if I come up and I see you and Johnny outside and I'm like, hey, I wanna be their friends. They dress smart, I wanna be their friends, right? I wanna learn how to dress like that. But I see you guys both smoking or vaping or whatever and I'm gonna come up and use that's a lie. So if I say to myself, man, if I walk up to them and start my friendship up with them with a lie and then eventually they find out that was just a lie to become their friends, they may feel betrayed and that's gonna ruin the trust I worked hard on. So instead of that, I may say, you know what? Maybe I just walk up and be honest and say, hey guys, look, I've been struggling, man, I don't know how to dress. My wife's always yelling at me, telling me dress better. You guys look amazing. Like you got any tips for a guy my age? Like where can I shop? What do I do? Maybe that honest straightforward question to you validates you, compliments you, asking you for advice, putting you on a pedestal above me, telling you why I want this will have the same results as the lie of, hey, can I bum a cigarette? And now I'm in and I didn't have to do anything malicious. That's gonna ruin a potential relationship later, right? And that is what I mean by that subtitle is that if I think about what my end goal is, but how can I accomplish it by using truth, by using empathy, by using honesty, by leaving people feeling better for having met you? You can be an amazing social engineer but never once have to hurt someone to get your goal. I love that. And it's a great mission for this book. We love asking every guest what their X factor is. What do you think makes you unique and extraordinary? You know, I think for me, if I had to focus on one thing when you asked that, and I didn't know you were gonna ask that. So I liked the fact that you didn't tell me that question ahead of time. That made me really think the first thing that popped in my head was that I have tried my hardest in my career to base everything that I do on proven science. And that's different than what I see a lot of people in my field do. It's almost like the Jedi. Like, well, this worked for me three times. So I'm gonna go teach someone else this. But I try to say, hey, this worked for me three times. I wanna know why. And then I go and I read and I read books and I read and I have stack of books here on my desk and I read things on psychology, influence, leadership, whatever, and each one of my books. Like I'm reading this book right now by Amy Herman called Fix, right? And my book, I had a pen and a highlighter and each book that I read. And the reason I do that is I highlight things and I write notes as I'm reading the book. And then when I'm done, I add that to my list of things. Like, okay, she talked about this certain principle here. I think I do that here. Let me document that and try it on purpose next time. Now when it works, I can teach people say, hey, I know why this worked. But I think what my X factor is that I don't just rely on my own experience, which could be very different than yours even if we communicate similar. I want to be able to teach this to anybody. And my COO, who's an amazing social engineer is a complete introvert, the opposite of me. But he's amazing because what I was able to do is scientifically show him how to do all these things. So now he applies it, maybe very differently than me, but the science means that he can still apply it in his own way. So I think adding science to this very artful piece of work is maybe my X factor. Well, thank you for coming back on. We could go for hours. We're gonna have to have you back on, share some more stories. Great book. Where can our audience find out more about all the great work you do, Chris? So social-engineer.com is my website where you can find out all sorts of stuff about what I'm doing and information on the book. And if I can share one more website, I started a nonprofit just about five years ago, well, four and a half years ago called theInnocentLivesFoundation.org. And what I do is I got people from my industry that are really, really good at security. And we help federal law enforcement agents track down and locate people who are trafficking children and creating child abuse material. So my foundation just completed its 623rd case. So we are working a lot with law enforcement and people can find out more about the work that we're doing on that site too. Well, thank you for sharing your secrets from the dark side and all the great work you do. Really appreciate it, Chris. Thanks for having me on.


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Welcome back, everyone, to theCUBE's live coverage of Teradata Possible here in Orlando, Florida. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host and analyst, Rob Stratche. We have two illustrious guests joining us for this session. We have Jacqueline Woods. She is the CMO Chief Marketing Officer at Teradata. Welcome, Jacqueline. Thank you for having me. Welcome back to theCUBE, I should say. Thank you. And Vedad Akhan, he is the VP Data Science, Data Science and AI at Teradata. Thank you so much for coming on theCUBE. Thank you, Rebecca. So Jacqueline, you already did a great preview with Rob, so we already got a little bit of a sneak peek of what was going to be happening here at Teradata Possible. Why don't you start by telling our viewers a little bit about the Teradata approach to helping customers with AI, which is really the talk of the show. Thank you. I think it really starts with our why. And our why is that we believe that when empowered with better information, people thrive. And so the question is, how do you get to that information? And we know that AI is not just all the rage, but it's certainly the zeitgeist or topic of the day. But I think, as you know, it's something that's been around for more than half a century. But the question is, where do we go from here? Because clearly we are at an inflection point. So if you look at all the things that have happened in history, whether it's electricity, whether it was the car, whether it was the internet, whether it was mobile technology, that is where we are when it comes to AI, machine learning, and deep data and analytics. And that is Teradata's history. That is our heritage. We've been in it. We didn't just get to this party. We've been doing this for a long time and it is fundamental. And I would argue that we probably have one of the best products in the industry and that's called ClearScape Analytics. Yeah, so I think it's one of these things that AI is a journey. And it's kind of a destination too, but there's a path to get there. How is it really that you're keeping the AI solution secure? Because I think when people, it's one of the last thing we do a lot of different places with a lot of so-called data companies and security almost never comes up. How are you looking at it from a security perspective because like you said, for over 40 years now it's you've been keeping people's data secure some of the most financially sensitive data. Largest customers, governments, exactly. So how about, Ben Dot, how is it keeping it secure? Well, trust is very important in AI. As AI practitioner of more than two decades, I have done a lot of use cases and solved tough business problems. And as practitioners, we have to be very responsible in approaching how we use data for AI and ML models. And Teradata has strong governance in place. We have model ops that will monitor the performance and make sure that the data is well-governed and protected. That's how we approach it. And especially in the gen AI evolution, it is important more than ever to build that trusted AI ecosystem. Yeah, I mean it makes total sense because when you look at, you've been had the most sensitive data from the largest companies and I look at it and not everybody's going to go, nope, in fact, I don't think anybody should go build chat GPT all over again as a company. But if I wanted to go and have a model that services my HR department and helps me with all of my data or my retail and I want to have next best recommendation for my retail shoppers when they're in a particular market, that would seem like a focus on how you can keep it secure because that's what you've been doing for so long. Is that really the approach? And I think that's what we do today. And the one thing that I would say is I don't think many companies can say for the last two decades, we have been listed as one of the most ethical companies. So that's something that we've had for over 20 years. Our ethos as a company is to be not just trusted but also to be responsible. When we talk about AI, we usually say, we don't say responsible AI because as you know, when we spoke, I say people are the people who are responsible and can you trust the output that the responsible people are building? And I think that's critical. I do think that people are in some ways reticent about where can we go with AI and generative AI? And it's going to be incredibly important that leaders are the ones that are focused on governance, that are focused on compliance and that are ensuring the integrity of their systems. Our technology does what it's supposed to do in terms of ensuring that we have the integrity in our systems and to make sure that you can build an environment that's compliant and govern the way that you want it to be governed. So really the conversation, there's so much excitement on one hand about the potential for generative AI in organizations but yet as you said, there's a lot of concerns. I mean, you put up some very compelling statistics about concerns about security, privacy, governance. How do you talk with customers and partners about and balance these two things? Do you want to take that? Well, we have flexible open and connected ecosystem with our partners and that gives the options and possibilities to enable our customers to use the proven technologies or their preferred technologies and tools. And that's an amazing capability that we're bringing to the table to be able to give that open and connected ecosystem with proven partners and that's how we approach that. And one of the things that we say is that there is unlikely to be the company that becomes the gen AI company and that's the company that provides everything. I almost think that's nearly impossible when you think of all the use cases that can be thought about. How do you change work? How do you improve productivity? How will you use generative AI across your enterprise? And so thinking about it and understanding that you are a component, we have a platform that is what I would call an engine to enable AI. We have a platform that enables LLMs. We have a product that's in private preview now that's called ask.ai where you can kind of create your own environment that helps you build your own LLMs. All of those things are things that we do right now. But there's going to be, we're working with Microsoft, we're working with AWS, we're working with Google, we're working with open AI. This is, it's going to take a village to really bring these things to life in a way that's going to help businesses. Where do you see the future of AI within the enterprise going? Well, one of the biggest premises of GenAI is to democratize data, meaning that anyone in enterprises will be able to access the data and at any time and create visualizations. So that's why we approach this from a practitioner perspective and that's something I really appreciate at Teradata that starting from our product organizations we always approach it in a way that what will be the impactful use case for our clients. And that's where I see the immediate impact to democratize data for any stakeholder, business stakeholder in the organizations. Of course, we have to make sure that it is accurate and reliable. That's very critical. Yeah, no, that makes total sense and I think that again it's, you've been doing it for so long that people have built reporting, they have scripts on top and as they move to cloud, move that data cloud, it becomes easier for them to then pick up the other tooling around that to reuse that. You have a semantic layer built in, you have another number of other things. How do you see the role of data quality? Because to me it's, as was said on the stage during one of the keynotes, garbage in, garbage out kind of thing. How does data quality play a role and how does Teradata play with that? So you use what I would use as an AI practitioner, garbage in, garbage out. So, we talked about today on the stage about data harmonization and integration. AI, especially gen AI, require lots of quality data. Therefore, data harmonization and integration is the most important factor to enable value. And for example, at American Airlines, we integrated and harmonized data from 28 different business departments. Now, that number may seem small to anyone, but I do have airline experiences and employee as well as a consultant. I know how much data is generated in a large airline and integrating that and harmonizing that to drive business critical decision making is a huge differentiator. That's why we at Teradata has been ready for AI and ready for tomorrow as well.  And you've also talked about the importance of use cases and how critical they are within the organization, within the enterprise, to point out, say, this is how we're using this. These are the business critical decisions we're making based on this. Can you walk us through a couple of examples that Teradata has helped customers overcome these challenges and what's most exciting to you? Yeah, what's really most exciting to me, Vada gave a couple of examples about American Airlines. I'll give you a couple ways to think about it, more from customer experience and thinking about what is it that people are actually trying to do. Everyone talks about being stickier. Everyone talks about how do you deepen customer engagement? How do you have more loyalty? How do you have more share of wallet? And we gave an example this afternoon where we actually showed the engine of Teradata actually helping with generating someone in the e-commerce site thinking about, well, if we've offered you this or you bought this product as an example, it was those boots. But what are the other things that would surround that purchase and how do you do a better job of cross-selling and up-selling? Now, when I think about that model as an example, I want personalization, but I want it within context. I happen to be allergic to wool. It just makes me itch. I'm sorry, some people think it's all fancy. I don't, but so I really, when something's recommended to me from a recommendation engine, I actually want them to understand that and have that information stored. There's certain information that I don't care if it's stored as long as it helps me better, have a better experience and more contextualized. So we will, our product will kind of gather that type of information. What other things have you purchased? What things go with, what it is that you want for this particular outdoor experience as an example, that's what we shared earlier today. Those are some of the things that actually give you a more contextualized, more personalized experience. So you're not just kind of, we've all been on websites where things are just popping up. We've all had chatbots where they call it a virtual assistant that's not assisting. And so the only way that you actually have a virtual assistant that really is assisting is when you have this deeper, more contextualized knowledge and for sure, once you have that better purchase experience it's faster, you feel better about the product and what do you do? You come back. They remember, I really like Kashmir. They remember, exactly, exactly. I want to add to that actually, to expand that we have clear scape analytics experience that is open to everyone today. And you don't have to be an AI practitioner or a data scientist to log in and use that because we have more than 80 real-world use cases, business use cases that are impactful right away with very clear instructions, business problem definition, the data and why it is valuable for businesses. Any data scientist, account executives, business stakeholders, developers, IT professionals, anyone can easily follow and practice how those AI and machine learning solutions are working in real-world cases. So I would recommend everyone to visit the clear scape analytics experience page, log in and explore all those 80 plus use cases. It's critical because I think the skill sets in data teams is, data teams are pretty small within these, even in these largest organizations a lot of times you need that and a lot of times, I think to that point they don't need necessarily AI, what they're really looking for is analytics and I think people sometimes get wrapped around the axle on the new words and things like that. I 100% agree with that. I mean, artificial intelligence is about picking up patterns and learning and trying to do something faster than you did before, trying to model something that you might have a hypothesis on. So I think that when you think fundamentally I start with what is the business problem that someone is trying to solve and it could just be I want to sell more golf balls. That could be the business, it could be that simple and should that be the problem then what is it that I need to know and how do I need to formulate my hypothesis on how to do that. So those are some of the things that I think that they're just simple problems but you can use data and analytics to help solve them. Yeah, no, I think that that is key. It's the simplicity of it has to be there and I think one of the other things as we get towards the end here that's really super important to the customers I've been talking to here and out at different user group meetings is really scalability and cost and I mean, Teradata has been again around, has a real positive legacy of being able to scale and do it cost effectively. How are you doing that now with cloud and AI in mind? Of course, again, to also connect it with your previous comment, scalability is very important and you know, as Jacqueline said, sometimes just doing descriptive analytics in terms of what happened in the past and why did it happen will provide a lot of value and we do have massive parallel process architecture for our clearscape analytics in database. Plus, we also have the predictive side machine learning algorithms that also run on parallel processing architecture. So that makes it very scalable. Sometimes, not sometimes, almost always when you have a very large data set for prediction, when you divide it into segments you have to run tens of thousands, sometimes millions of models. To be able to do that in parallel processing will immediately bring you results so that business shareholders do not have to wait for a long time and you can do what if scenario analysis. Now on top of that, every time you do a what if and run, you have to reuse the features that are going into those machine learning models and if you keep recreating them, it is going to cost a lot of extra cost basically. So we do have enterprise feature store so you can create those features only once and then however many iterations you have to go through, you can just reuse them. That's how we create minimum data movement, run the models in the database, use enterprise feature store, reuse them, do not incur extra cost and scalability because of massive parallel processing architecture. So you're not reinventing the wheel or not reinventing the wheel. Absolutely, but this is very unique. This is a very unique capability. It is unique and the couple last comments that I want to make on this topic because it's critically important. We grew up when we started, we were physically in a server so you had to optimize in a certain space that was a physical space. If you're born on the cloud, you can always fell over to more CPU, more this. You're not. It feels like infinite, right? It's infinite. You're not kind of born to optimize and optimize costs. That's how we were raised. So we have a cloud like product but our cloud like product is still optimized in terms of we want to use the minimum amount of resource to get the maximum amount of output. That's critical. The other thing that we have that really no one else has is workload management. So this ability to understand when you're optimizing your workloads, large versus small, et cetera, we do that better than anyone. All of those things keep your costs down. So we have the best price performance in the market today. Excellent. Great note to end on. Jacqueline Vida, thank you so much for coming on theCUBE. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you. I'm Rebecca Knight for Rob Stretche. Stay tuned for more of theCUBE's live coverage of Teradata Possible.


Well, it seems like Lauren Boebert may have actually screwed herself by switching districts. So she currently represents Colorado's third congressional district, which is more of a swing district, and she only won it by 546 votes in 2022. But after Republican Ken Buck in CD4, the next district overannounced that he'd be retiring, she decided to abandon her old district that she nearly lost in 2022 and run in Ken since it's a more solidly Republican district and thus the safer seat. The problem is that she now has to compete in a GOP primary and the earliest gauge that we have of that race indicates that Republicans in the new district she's trying to run in aren't actually a very big fan of her. Kelly Risman of The Independent reports, Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Boebert finished in fifth place according to a straw poll, a devastating shelling after the Republicans switched to run in a new district. Last week, Ms. Boebert competed against eight other Republicans in a congressional primary debate in Fort Lupton, Colorado, in which she garnered just 10% of the straw poll vote, landing in fifth place according to Colorado politics. Ms. Boebert earned 12 out of the 117 votes cast in the straw poll, the outlet reported. Damn. Now, there's a couple of caveats, okay, first and foremost, obviously this is very early and the sample size is super small so it's not representative of the entire district. But having said that though, this is still disastrous because we're talking about an incumbent Republican with national name recognition who was aligned with Donald Trump, the cult leader of the Republican Party. So it shouldn't have even been close, it should have been a blowout, but GOP voters in this district, they're like, we have Lauren Boebert and a bunch of other people, we're going to opt for the no-name Republicans over her. That is so wild to me. And to make matters worse, all of the local headlines in Colorado are talking about her fifth place finish because this really isn't something that a lot of people expected. For example, here's one headline from Colorado politics, quote, Lauren Boebert finishes in the middle of the pack in straw poll at inaugural GOP primary debate and they go on to explain who's ahead of her. Quote, out of 117 votes cast, Logan County Commissioner Jerry Sonnenberg, a former longtime state lawmaker led the straw poll with 22 votes followed by former house minority leader Mike Lynch of Wellington who received 20 votes, Douglas County filmmaker Deborah Flora at 18 votes and house minority whip Richard Holtorf of Akron with 17 votes. Boebert got 12 votes narrowly edging out former congressional nominee Peter used 11 votes with three more candidates.  That has got to hurt if you're Lauren Boebert. And it's not just that Republicans seemingly weren't impressed by her, she actually faced some hostility at this forum. Colorado Newsline reports as expected, Boebert faced sharp questions about her decision to move into a new congressional district to escape a rematch with Frisch. Quote, could you give the definition of carpet bagger Lynch asked Boebert? Flora also asked a similar version of the question and referenced Boebert's criticism of a Democratic opponent from the 2022 cycle who lived outside of the third congressional district post redistricting. That's some hypocrisy burning right there. Boebert said she is proud to be Weld County's newest resident. Quote, my boys and I needed a fresh start. That's been very public of what home life looked like. She said Boebert is newly divorced and her ex-husband was recently arrested for alleged domestic violence incidents involving her and her son. Quote, I tried to put it into a very pretty package and bring my ex-husband lots of honor. But since there's nothing private about my personal life, it is out there and my boys need some freedom from what has been going on, she said. But in a telling moment, no other candidate said they would support Boebert in the primary if they were not running. Four people said they would support Sonnenberg. Brutal. Absolutely brutal. Now to make matters worse, she was seemingly humble bragging at the start of the forum and she said something to the effect of look, I'm here to earn your vote. I'm here to earn your support. This is not going to be a coronation. And I find that really funny because you probably wouldn't say something like that unless you wanted to make your opponents who you thought you would beat feel better because voters would overwhelmingly side with you. But I mean, that's not the case. So it's funny to me that she said that. And if you'll notice, she wasn't able to define carpet bag room. And using her ex-husband as an excuse to switch districts is so bizarre to me. Yes, he was arrested for alleged domestic violence. So she has my sympathy there. That's not her fault. However, it feels gross to use that as a justification to switch districts because we all know that you switch districts specifically because if you stayed in district three, you would have lost to the Democrat. So you can still get a fresh start by moving somewhere else in your old district. It's a very large district. But I mean, she's not doing that. She's using that as an excuse, which is so weird to me. But I mean, this is Lauren Bobert we're talking about here. So she's not running to actually serve her constituents. Everything is about her. And she's kind of gotten a big head since being in Congress.  It's already starting to, at least.  So Reddit user crunch M shared this mind boggling tweet on the white people Twitter subreddit. And it almost in my head explode. So it's from Scott Greer, who lists his height and IQ in his Twitter handle. And, you know, it doesn't necessarily scream confidence to me, even though that's what he's trying to project. But my only question is, okay, but what about your location and social security number? List that in your bio or in your Twitter handle. And I'm going to definitely think you're confident. But anyways, he says, to those who might say the right needs its own Taylor Swift for young women to look up to, nobody's saying that, but whatever I answer, we already have that. Her name is Lauren Boebert. Needless to say, I don't agree with Scott Greer, six foot two IQ of 187. It's just, can we, can we maybe go back to the time where we view politicians, justice politicians and not as celebrities? God, American politics, such a mess right now. And for those wondering, no, he's not trolling. This is an actual right winger who has this opinion unironically. Now it's just shocking that anyone would view Lauren Boebert as a role model. I mean, even if you're trying to find specifically Republican women to be role models, there are better ones than Lauren Boebert, because Lauren Boebert isn't a good role model given the fact that she likes to publicly shame victims of rape. She wrote this on Twitter recently, an $83 million judgment given to a woman who can't even tell you the date or time she encountered President Trump. The president this sets for men in this country is absolute terrifying. It is truly unbelievable how weaponized our system of quote justice has become. I'm sorry, but does that seem like a wonderful role model for young women? She is attacking E. Jean Carroll at the behest of her rapist who defamed her Donald Trump.  If that is who you view as a role model for the GOP, then I guess that explains why the party is in the shape that it's in. But I mean, you kind of see why she's extremely arrogant, right? She's immersed in MAGA world. She's kind of become a superstar like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene. And she's part of the club. And when you're on top of the world, you probably feel like nothing can bring you down, which makes it all the more painful when you inevitably get reality checked and then realize, I'm not as infallible as I thought. But on the subject of role models, Chris Perez of Denver Westward shared a video from the candidate forum she participated in and says quote, incredible moment in first GOP debate for CD4 as candidates are asked to raise their hands if they've been arrested. Six candidates raised their hands, including Lauren Boebert and Mike Lynch. They then proceeded to cheer and high-five each other. So here's a quick clip of that moment. I love how she said it a second time to get more laughs, but they only thought it was kind of funny the first time. Embarrassing. Now listen, I thought that this was supposed to be the party of law and order. The party who is against felons voting because that's what they're trying to do around the country. But all of a sudden, having an arrest record is something to be proud of. And when it comes to Donald Trump, if he's convicted on any of his 91 charges, they all probably think that it's perfectly fine for him to be president, even though normal people lose their right to just vote if they're a felon, if they're convicted of a crime, right? So it's just, it's so hypocritical to see them all laugh about this after they've been on this whole tough on crime shtick for decades now. And I wouldn't be as annoyed if they actually supported restorative justice and thought that felon should be allowed to vote. But the problem is they don't. So it's elitist because it comes across as well, you know, when we do crimes, it's fine. But when poor people do crimes, they should lose everything, their right to vote. But when we do it, we can still run for president, we can still run for public office. It's just very gross. So I mean, even if Lauren Boebert loses, CD4 very clearly is still going to go with some ghoulish Republican who's as bad as Boebert, if not worse. But with that being said, do I still hope that she loses? Yes, because I think it would be hilarious. And possibly the biggest self-own in the history of American politics if she literally lost her election after switching districts specifically because she thought that she would have an easier time getting reelected. If that happened, oh, it'd be, it'd be amazing. Like, you can't beat that. So I'm crossing my fingers and I'm hoping that the universe delivers.