Who else is dropping that much free fitness knowledge, man So for the first 45 minutes of this episode, we do our not sure current events Intro we talk about tech and cutting out the middle man Yeah, cut them out man, and we get them cut through fitness. Yes. That was a bad dad joke No, we talk about denied the recent uber study on their gender pay gap We talk about Tesla in space. God doesn't that sound like a cool? For those of you that are not old We talk about laughing gas not the kind that Justin emits Everybody laughs when I do it.  You might not have to get surgery. Yeah, we're talking about an embarrassing moment I talk about one that's extremely embarrassing. Sorry, Meg. We talk about four sigmatic They are one of our sponsors if you go to four sigmatic. That's fo you are sig matic Dot-com forward slash mine pump and enter the code mine pump without a space Justin's on that line Yeah, you'll get a big old discount sparked. We talk about a new meta analysis study on Protein and what they found to be the ideal amount of protein intake for muscle building News we do the thrive market Unboxing this time Doug orders a bunch of stuff from thrive market now We're also sponsored by thrive market if you go to thrive market comm forward slash mine pump here is what you will get One month free membership twenty dollars off your first three dollars of forty nine dollars or more and free shipping And we also mentioned our new Mind pump t-shirts. These are brand new. It's a new style. You've never seen it before stay authentic motherfuckers They're there they are there Hey, you need to drop some knowledge on the maps red program because we actually talked about anabolic It's been a while since we've actually talked about anabolic, which is our foundational program and with this Osteoporosis, right? That's where we did. Yeah, we talked a little bit about maps prime and maps anabolic You can find all of our maps programs at mind pump media Dot-com then I get into the questions the first question was How do we target a health-conscious audience when most people are just into you know, bro splits and biceps and abs Like what is the strategy? Yeah, the next question was this individual's mom has osteoporosis and it seems to be getting worse What do we recommend? Is it more calcium? Is it more vitamin D? Or is it? deadlifts and squats The next question was this person's been seeing a lot of people starting a new diet It's called the carnivore diet. It is exactly as it sounds This is a diet where people eat nothing but meat Basically like a t-rex. There's nothing else in this diet And we've got the doctor who's doing this right now coming in pretty soon here Dr. Sean Baker will be in wait, but we do answer we do talk about our opinions on this diet And then the final question is Which of our clients that we've trained the past was the most impactful in our lives who changed our lives through us Training them super sentimental section find out in this episode And we also mentioned that we have a new program coming out very soon If you're in the forum, you'll find out sooner than later if you're not in the forum You'll find out a little later, but it's exciting and of course I did mention the rumors true This is this I mean this goes this episode goes up today, but Doug is the is the Forum gonna have access by this weekend They will the form gets all the hookah You want to get this program early? We haven't talked about that in a very long time We have a ton of new listeners since we've even talked about forum type stuff You know if you're on our forum you get and we talked about shirts today So when you're on the forum you get half off of all of our t-shirts First of all for being having access to the form and then you always get the early releases on any programs And you also get it at discount array so get a big aside from getting to hang out and talk to Sal Justin and Adam all the time So I think there's all kinds of perks should be an inside the private forum You can't even give any more incentives right just impossible It's a great place to hang out a lot of handsome and sexy people Yeah, and I guess that's pretty much it look if you have any more questions on any of our programs or our bundles Which are when we take several mass programs and put them together and order them in a way that's directed towards a particular goal And looks like a bundle the place to go Copia is a mind pump media comm so last night I had a good friend of ours come by and She I used to coach her and she competed a couple years ago helped her out you guys have met her I think before Jessica, and she is she's worked for three different startup companies And she's on one right now that has 50 employees Their 50 or 15 50 right now the one that she's involved in has 50 employees now And she was a part of it two and a half years ago when she went up in Spanish when it didn't even exist, right? Is that true and the CEO is actually this there was the CIO for Tesla And with him worked with Elon Musk right off obviously and he's now the CEO of this company What they're doing and this just kind of speaks to some of the topics that we've been talking about lately with just The evolution of like how we're gonna do things and so they've created this software and it reminds me a little bit of what Barbell barbell shrug did for the CrossFit gym boxes But on a whole nother level like way way more complex and integrated than than that obviously but for their their main target they're starting off with his dealerships and There's this there's a lot of this like You know you go in to get your car repaired and it's just there's a lot of hoops You got to jump through as far as people you talk to what parts you need Oh, is this broken or not broken or all then they got then they do some or then they also and they do it and they say Oh by the way, you need to replace this and that and so they're making this really customer service friendly a real-time Software and it's really fucking dope dude Like what what what were capable of doing and like how that could just totally change that market completely And so like they part of what they have patent because I was asking her to I'm like Well, what's to stop another startup to see what you're doing and do it as well or better So well what we're doing right now Exists in individual silos and we're trying to integrate the entire process. So imagine you You're we we have this they and they had the technology where when you you know get by a car from these dealerships So they're already working with Ford GMC. I think Toyota some other ones that that might be wrong There's a couple of them that are big-name ones that they're dealing with already that they're trying to integrate this where you get This piece that goes and it goes up underneath your dash can't even see it and then like let's say problems go real-time diagnosis Yes diagnostics done real-time and then automatically pops up alerts to your phone. Yeah, and that you need a service This is broken. This isn't working. So they've just made even more smart. Oh that way Yeah, like it'll notify and like give you a better all the way down to check this out So let's just imagine this right so let me walk that will that help me know why there's a light in my car right now Yeah, cuz I'm the idiot lights and literally just like I think how cool this would be right? So you're driving boom the alert comes up and then all sudden you get something that tells you pressures off or whatever like that You know and then from there you could literally book your appointment right automated So it already what's available for you to come in there so you can boom you send it in Car goes in then it gets there and then they do the full check on it, right? So let's say mechanics under the hood. He's doing something.   I haven't heard anything I don't know right, right, so real-time picture so mechanics under the hood So like that sees a problem photograph of it send it to you It doesn't get it automatically is populated into your app that's you connects you to your dealership and Shows shows the part and then you and then right next to it is the the replacement for an ad for 289 You know, oh, yeah, I need that go ahead and get it. Oh, that's a prime for Innovation because I mean so Tesla so sorry to interrupt you But yeah, this is this came from obviously the guy who was CIO of Tesla And so I guess and somebody who owns a Tesla probably is already they update it just over the cloud, right? Which is that's this is a cloud-based program that is going to aggregate all this Data and information to make the experience for the customer so much better now I was talking to her and I'm like with my brain spinning because one of the things that I'm struggling with in our current business is You know once you grow to a certain point one of the hardest things is is aggregating all the moving parts of the business and and Simplifying it we were just talking this morning before we got on air like, you know Fuck when I got to pay attention to Sales from this and what's going on over here? I gotta have like nine different logins to try and figure that all out like how awesome it would be if it was all Centralized in one app that not only spoke to me about my personal business But also let me directly connect to my consumers. That's where this is going and they they're just starting in the the you know Automotive world because that's their expertise coming from Tesla But the she goes the the big big game plan is this in phases and then eventually hit other businesses The thing I love about tech technology the most is the ability for technology to Aggregate data and communicate it real time fast You want to talk about efficiency and cost savings, which is just wealth creation Technology's the best at it. It's fucking awesome And there's all these questions that we have about certain things But technology can literally just put it all together for you eliminate because middlemen have existed for since markets have existed Yeah, you know because they had an important role the reason why a middleman exists is because you know if you're if you're a car manufacturer in order to get that car to the consumer it made sense to have Middlemen that could take the car sell them and make it efficient so that the car manufacturers knew how many cars to make and Middlemen in return would make a profit for doing a service that was necessary But when technology allows the middlemen to be cut out You the consumer benefits every time because it's the cost that goes down efficiency goes up.  Is that something that you know your shop is gonna benefit from or I love it? It's something that's gonna benefit me in that is necessary. I love it I love technology for that main reason right there is just the you know One of the problems like I've said this before in in markets is the information problem like not being able to get The best information is accurately and as quickly as possible And so there's a waste that happens as a result We've created all these systems and ways to try and become more and more efficient and it's become more and more Efficient but technology is totally rewriting the game. I'll give you guys an example. So I'm glad you went this way Adam cuz So uber and this this is a this is a third rail topic, but it's really good uber didn't hit nosily I'm the third rail dancer. So so uber has amazing You know analytics on their drivers how much they get paid what they're doing and it's all it's all Technology-based it's all Unbiased so it's not people controlling it. It's algorithms that determine how much you get paid what you do. They keep track of everything so uber Just put out this analysis of one over 1.8 million drivers Okay, worldwide so it's a lot of people and What we've heard a lot through politics lately recently and more recently we dropped an episode where we had Matt Kibion Where we kind of touched on the gender pay gap, you know where men make Something like women make something like 77 cents for every dollar and politicians have come out and said oh It's because of sexism and then economists come out and said no has nothing to do with that It's actually other things. There's so much data. We have to break it down. So uber came out with this These these algorithms or this this data and they found that through uber men make 7% more than women do and so then they went deeper and deeper and deeper and broke down the data and the reason why they're making more money is because Men are less likely to quit the platform. So they stay employed there longer, which means as you're driving for uber longer You start to learn the systems and where to go and what times of drive to make yourself more money to respond They're likely to drive a more lucrative lucrative areas and they drive faster So in with uber, which is totally genderblind colorblind. It's all those things It doesn't know men women whatever the algorithm just determines, you know, your pay or whatever Men make 7% more and it's entirely because of the fact that men tend to stay longer when you remember with women's much faster when you read the article Was it presenting it like that or you come from a bias thing? Oh, no, no, it's it because you can't argue with it It's completely like it's this these are the numbers. It's it's objective number So if there was a because when you know one's controlling it No one's hiring or firing no one's telling you you can't be a new driver Anybody can technically be a new driver.  No, none of that is true. Nothing that's happening.  You know what I mean?  Yeah, and I mean of course they're not coming out and saying sexism doesn't exist because it does And by the way it exists on both sides, you know Just the way you your initial perceptions on someone are based on a lot of things sex being one of them So it does exist, but I think in the market.  Yeah, and this came out from uber super fast, which is funny, which which you know, and I enjoy I enjoy this kind of stuff I enjoy this kind of debate, but I like it when it's objective, you know I mean, no, no, I agree. Did you guys see the Elon Musk in his car out in space dude? How dude those images? Love that so I love that so you know why I love that because in 2015 I think it was Neil the grassy.  It has to happen through the state and Here we go. SpaceX has proved them wrong.  That's more reasonable. It costs less money You know I mean now what was it now? I heard two of it so the two there it is right there That's such a great put his car in orbit.  What's the deal on it right now? Is it where how long is it stay out?  It's on raw.  Cuz the last time she went they gave her the laughing guy. Have you have your kids go to the dentist yet with that? They have with my wife. I didn't get to see it, but yeah I I always prefer the laughing gas man. That's I've never had it.  No, what's it like? What's it what's it like? Oh, you just it's like being high. Yeah, I just get that like being super. I love you Oh, you know, yeah, man. Yeah, everything's great So the last time my daughter went they gave her the laughing gas and she got silly and goofy and so My ex took a video of it and sent it to me a while ago and we were laughing or whatever So this time my daughter remembered the laughing gas didn't want it She didn't want it didn't want to do it. So they had to do shots do all this different thing She had a really tough time with it.  And she's like, I don't like to feel weird. So Cool, my daughter's like to get high This is a lot like a lot of drugs, this is why you know, imagine your kids like I love that Yeah, actually, it's funny because I'm getting you know, my teeth works on it I know this this dentist friend of mine actually from high school and so I'm like, hey man, so You're gonna be able to that laughing gas, right? I'm already like trying to negotiate at any time. So yeah, it's fun, man. It's hilarious. It's pretty cool so they This study came out recently and I just read it in Scientific American, which is a great online publication Where they found that they did a study and they're doing these interesting studies where they're doing fake surgeries And then looking at you post this in the form. I saw and then looking at the results afterwards What yeah, so what they'll do is like somebody will go with like knee pain And they'll take groups of people and on one side they'll actually do the knee procedure and in the other group They won't do the knee procedure and in many cases the results are the same afterwards The people afterwards who do get the fake surgery are like, wow, this feels really good You know, my knee feels better and they're not showing a difference so powerful They did one with they did one with a stint in let me read it right here. So What are they called? I think it's called a stint that they put in in orders where they found through the study that Putting stints don't reduce chest pain And they did this with with men where they went in and then didn't do anything and afterwards They felt just as much relief as the people who actually got the procedure How can they how can they even do a study like that? I I know it doesn't seem ethical right doesn't seem ethical at all I'd be so angry at you. I just went in to go get my fine that out later Just kidding.  We didn't do anything So check this out in the sham procedure I should be happy listen to that Listen how they did this in the sham procedure a catheter was directed to the blockage But the surgeon pretended to do the rest The astonishing finding there was no difference in how patients felt six weeks after the surgery Both groups reported less pain and both performed better on treadmill tests Not even just a percent not even just a subjective. I feel better, but I'm doing better on the mind is a powerful powerful tool What does that tell you man? That's crazy. What does that tell you about? What's this? What was the study size like? What's it? I don't know. Let me see. I mean was it legit? Yeah, I don't know two people. We did this with two people. This is what we found.  I don't know man Yeah, this it's it's really points to Uh, it really points to how powerful Your belief is you know and how you feel. I mean, what does that say right there? I mean, that's yeah exactly and It just goes to show dude like you know, like I I've had that argument for so long It's like if you really truly believe in it like there is there is power in that And that's why you can't I don't know we we kind of skirt around talking about some people with certain beliefs and Religious beliefs and whatever kind of beliefs you have but man It really does like impact you in so many ways that even physically it manifests It's it's like if you ever if you ever Doubted that your mind and how you believe you feel and how you believe you heal Plays any kind of a role Like these studies are objective and they're proving it 100 and the placebo effect. We know it's We know it's so powerful that when you do a study you have to account for it, you know, like the gold standard for studies are You know double blind meaning the the tester and the testee Or the you know the subject and the tester don't know if they're getting a real or or pretend treatment And that it's placebo controlled in other words some are fake and some are real You have to have the placebo controlled because it's so powerful but what they're showing in these studies is when they The more they do to convince you that it was real the more powerful it is see you say I'm saying so That's what I think is is why that that was so successful because and because they actually had surgery They actually exactly and well what's interesting too Haven't they tried that too with like hypnosis and it's like they have like some success They have some not but like because they're actually like Doing performing surgery whereas they're telling them they did do surgery, but they did it and they have they have a scar They got cut. So they think oh, I definitely had surgery Like how how insane is that that's a trip that they did that stay?  So now you're confirming You know how you feel or whatever if they put like fake x-rays up there and like this is what we see in here And you know they mean like you could really mess with somebody like And manipulate the way that they perceive like what's going on. It's it's so crazy Which is why I mean we've all we all train people for a long time I mean for over a decade and a half and I've did it for almost two decades And what do we always say on the show like the psychologist the psychological aspect of training The most of course everything it's like 99 99 percent of it is that well This only works though in like certain cases because if someone has like a Legitimate like they they fucking broke their femur, right? And you go in and you go like, you know, hey, this will start stepping on right We have 10 10 people broke their femur and we're only going to actually fix five of them But we're going to see what happens the other five are fucked.  You're right 100 right, but I think it plays a role. So, uh, there are other studies that I've read where When people are sick or when they have, you know, they have an illness or an injury Having people pray Over them or for them or when they themselves Are believers in something and they pray that they Objectively speaking heal faster Like literally a disease will go away faster or a bone will heal faster Because of the belief so although a broken femur or something would require surgery or something to repair it I think how you feel and how you believe about it will impact how fast it heals or how well I think I think in 2018 that justin and I are going to bring you on the team jesus That's that's what I think dude I mean, I bought it. Don't push too hard I bought a shirt for justin because I you know, you're not you're not a part of team jesus But I feel like this year.     Yeah a lot better with that. Yeah, everybody looked at me like you know heathen Everybody slides like a couple feet away from you know Bro, I already get I already get looks because before the game gets started Before the game gets started both teams do the the what is it called the lords prayer or whatever? Oh, they do yeah, that's catholic schools right so they all do the lords prayer while they're doing that I'm always on my phone working and I always notice parents because everybody's like doing you know doing the crowd Everybody's looking at me like motherfucker get off your phone. That's so great. Mine wasn't as bad as that but like uh One time I was like visiting with one of my friends went to his church and um like I had my ringtone was uh ac dc You know and so somebody called me. I forgot to like silence my phone This is like during the middle of a prayer. They just prayed over somebody who got like baptized, right?  No, you know, it's that was the move. We're sharing embarrassing moments right now, right? So I have one for you guys that I just I just like had revisited yesterday So I don't know if you guys saw I posted Uh a picture of Katrina when we were up at the at that lodge And I just the lighting and the moment was really really cool And I want it painted. So I'm like, oh, it's the one you posted right, right? That's a nice picture because you got your dog in it. You got your right It's actually really cool because at that moment we're uh, we're actually listening to Jordan Peterson's book where I'm sitting by a fire I'm having coffee. She's in there just a nice time Yeah, very very a memorable moment for me. And so I want to get it painted and it's a beautiful picture, right? So I'm I've been talking a lot about paintings and and artists and looking and I've got a ton of dms By the way, thank you all the people that have sent out there. I'm looking for Uh, something specific, right? Someone who can paint it, uh, like spot on to what it looks like And so I've got all these people talking to me and I've been talking all about painting And it reminded me of a very embarrassing moment that I had with Katrina when we first started dating In fact, it was the first year we were together and I'll never forget this because I had I had sold my house and moved in with Katrina and I didn't have the typical bachelor pad. I've always been a guy into Nice things and my house was decorated nice. I had like it's not the typical bachelor pad, right? My walls had stuff on it and there was everything went together and match Katrina had like the bachelor pad when I moved in like Nothing on any walls like nothing matched anything and the furniture and stuff like that It was just so it when it was fine. So I used to tease her About it all the time.   Yeah, like just talk Tell you guys the story right gut that moment. I just like I wanted to crawl crawl back There's I have I have one moment that I I might have shared this on the show a long time ago But I have one moment that if I had an ability to rewind time Yeah, it would be to erase this one moment. I wouldn't go back to to do I wouldn't do anything good for humanity or anything. I would literally just erase this embarrassing moment I had a client who was I don't know 77 years old so older woman Very Wonderful pleasant nice lady. We were friends Your name was mag loved trainer. We'd have these great conversations very intelligent, but they were very She was from that generation. I was younger You know, we didn't talk about anything that would have been inappropriate. It was like I was talking to You know my grandma or something like that. So we had great conversations, but we just I'm cuss in front of her I was very respectful. You know, it was very nice very conservative We talked about my family my kids we tell whatever and so I had gotten this This app on my iPad That was really cool where and people use them all the time now But it had just come out where you can pull up the skeleton Of the human skeleton and I could pull up and I can like show muscles on individual muscles I could show insertions origins. I could rotate the body It's a great tool for personal trainers So we're sitting there talking and I've been training her now for a few years and her image of me She used to tell me Oh my god, salad, you know If if you know if if I had a daughter your age and if you were single because I was married at the time I'd introduce you. You're such a good kid. You're such a good boy What a good man. I wish more so she had no idea that I was also You know, I'd also was a filthy fucker like I'd say horrible. She thought yeah She she just like thought I was like the golden child And she referred to me as that So she had this total image of me So we're talking and she had a little bit of pain in her back and I'm talking about her ql And she's like, where's that muscle? I'm trying to explain like, you know what? Let me show you I have on my iPad. I have this app It's really it's where I can show you the muscles. So I pull up my iPad.  We're both looking at my ipad pops up. We're both looking at my ipad I you know, I hit swipe the bottom to open it enter my code boom Straight up filthy as porn.  It was like bro It was like from days ago.  That must have been a good one, bro Or you wouldn't even think to come back hold on hold on. So I open it and it's and it's this is the moment It was such a good port.  It took a shower forgot all about the I like the perfect angle. You're like, yeah No, no, it was save it was it was so this is how bad it was right? So it was so the video comes up and this video itself is pretty large because it takes up most of screen But in the corner suggestions of videos which are always terrible or typically worse And it's the last video I watched and for anybody who ever looks at porn. Okay, which is most people listening You know the You can all relate I'm sure there is a sequence of how bad the porn gets and the one you end with is always the worst It's never the one you start with the one you start with is always real soft The one you end with is the terrible one.  Okay, but two seconds is plenty of time for you to see what is on there So I close it out and then did you say anything you're just trying to act like nothing This anatomy apps really involved This show everything they change some they change some things this is the last time I've been here So my instinct was playing on your son. No, my in yeah, he was like he was like five at the time My instant blame it on my wife at the time.   She's into that stuff My instinct was to I was so embarrassed and so shocked that I Literally in my mind convinced myself it didn't happen Like I just pretended to do that.   I never said. Oh, there was no conversation. Nobody says anything, bro It was like it was like if you fart in public And you know or you fart and when you're on a date and then everybody pretends Like it didn't happen and then everybody's sitting in it the whole time and they're just looking at you It was so nobody said nothing. Oh, that's hilarious until this day, bro Just talking like right now. I have to take off my jacket. I'm sweating It was the worst especially because this woman she thought so nicely of me. That's the worst part. Yeah No, those like that reminds me of the painting thing. It's just like there's there's nothing you can come back from that How can I lie to cover that up? Yeah, you just can't tarnished all that. Let's just image Let's just move on from this conversation pretend like it never happened. That's not porn. What are you talking about?   It was so bad, dude So bad. Justin, how do you feel from the I gave what you but right about now it should be kicking in I mean, I I feel like I'm on fire I feel like everything is is coming to me very clearly and I'm like Lion's mane, dude, right right on lion's mane. Oh, you've got him bought in on the four Sigmatic lions mane. Did you take it straight or did you just take it with a shooter? He's a he's a man I'm a man. I'm not I'm not a little kid Yeah, I can handle stuff that tastes a little funky, you know every now and then for Performance someone in the forum. Did you see there's someone on the forum about the ashwagandha?  You took lions man. Does the lion's mane give you more? Is it more cognitive or do you actually feel like an energy like almost like caffeine? What does it feel like it's more of a cognitive boost like I feel like I can retain information Yeah, more like a new tropic.  It's subtle, but you feel um, I notice when I talk So if I drink something like a lion's mane, it's similar to you know how you when you get caffeine Forget the energy of the caffeine. So let's just imagine that doesn't happen But you know when you have caffeine and then all of a sudden you feel like you can you can speak Yeah, more clearly and sharply. This is how I felt the last couple days because I don't know if you notice I've been drinking I haven't drank our cold brew in forever So I I think we talked maybe a week or two ago. I had kind of came down on my coffee and take I've been really low. I have noticed. Yeah, I and I just been drinking my one cup in the morning was all and sometimes not even that And uh, so recently I've been let myself kind of ramp it up a little bit I've been enjoying it like during some of our interviews and episodes and I you know, it's so awesome One of those receptors. Yeah, when you when you've kind of taken it down for a little bit and then reintroduce it I really feel the difference But you know, let string that together for two weeks straight and I guarantee y'all it won't have that it loses It's a fact. Absolutely. Yeah, so the thing about lion's mane is lion's mane has been shown to increase BDNF brain-derived neurotropic factor, which Is a hormone or a chemical in the brain that promotes the growth of brain cells and the connection between Like, uh, you know the connections that you make with thoughts and stuff like that So it's it's it does definitely has a short-term effect But theoretically it should have a long-term effect as well where it versus caffeine which The short-term effect is the fact that it increases circulating You know chemicals in the brain through blocking the reuptake So it gives you that feeling but then over time you start to adapt to it and then it stops working Right. Yeah, that would be interesting to see the rest of this day Like, you know, how that goes because this morning I definitely had a cup of coffee Then I had the lion's mane and so, you know, it's all kind of kicking in just now So we'll see how long you know, it'd be cool to have here because you guys had to do it at home is Doug, you should get when you get the next time I'm gonna put up, you know what maybe thrive market has this Could you look and see if thrive has one of those plug-in electrical pots? That would be so perfect for here for water Yeah, oh, I have one at home. I love them. I know I had one too and I don't have one anymore I let my last that's a great idea because then we can brew We could brew it with a French press right here. Uh-huh. Yeah, so let's let's do I mean I could tea Yeah, that's right. That's all I'm thinking the chaga right now and the lion's mane is what I'm thinking about And but I mean, we're absolutely we could do coffee. We do a lot of things That's such a great little tool and I wouldn't be surprised if thrive spina thrive Is it are we on boxing today was today an unboxing day? Yeah, we are the box Oh, who's who's turned anyway before we get into that one more thing I wanted to cover with you guys before I forgot because this is a big this is a lot of turn events I know this is a big thing Someone posted this in the forum. This is a study that was a this is a systematic review or a meta analysis And met a regression of the effect of protein supplementation On resistance training induced gains in muscle mass and strength In healthy adults. This was published in 2017. So it's a new one So a meta analysis or review is basically taking a lot of different studies And getting aggregate and then trying to see what they come up with and these are the best These are the gold standard because Individual studies can sometimes large groups. Yeah. So what is the review of all of these studies, right? So in this this conclusion was that dietary protein supplementation Significantly enhanced changes in muscle strength and size In healthy adults the amount that they found that was that got the results or the maximum amount was 1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight No further gains were induced with any more protein. So what we've been saying 0.6 0.7 grams per pound of body weight Is the upper limit any more than that and these studies show No more benefits excess. Yes. And this is a study of it's you know on this note to somebody tagged me Attacked you also. I think on you know, I get tagged all the time there's always somebody when it's a counter to kind of what we've been saying about the overconsumption of protein And this was a big page that was basically saying like can we stop Demonizing protein. It's completely healthy to eat high protein and then they show 2.2 per per kilogram and I'm like that's one gram. Yeah, that's not high you guys like that's not high That's not what they're fine.   It's also all that excess I'd like to see you get that much from food. Well, you know hard that is and I've I've pushed I told people I've I've pushed somewhere between especially in competing right now. I'm like 0.5 0.6 if that right now I'm very low right now protein intake, but when I'm trying to build Aggressively or competing I'm I'm between one and 1.5 per pound of body weight Okay, which is is right in the in that range and it's on the that's on the upper Upper limits of it. So when you see these studies where people say 2.2 per kilogram That's about the same thing one to 1.5. That would be considered the upper end completely healthy We believe not needed excess. You don't need it. I could I could be switching it out for things, but I And it goes back to optimizing and adapting and like that kind of like mentality Like, you know, you intermittently might you know increase your protein intake when you're trying to build But you know, you got to understand like what's what's healthy and what's the limitation? Well, two things first when they do studies on high protein, you're right Adam they don't use the ridiculous amounts that some people have before But they also do the studies for like a year or two People or less. I think this one was six months to be honest People do them for a very very very long time and context matters. So in the context of inflammation or not ideal health Super high protein may not be a good idea.  Yeah, not everybody. I'm sure some people have the digestive systems of a fucking, you know Bison right here, but most most people are gonna have digestive issues. You can't tell me that's good for you You just can't so all right. Let's open that box. Let's let's get to the box. Who's thrive market order is that? Mine Let's see what you got in here, dude I hope it's macadamia nuts. I'm hungry. I hope it's original. You guys are big fans I like when you guys do stuff that we haven't seen yet Like it's cool when we see different stuff come up here Because I'm always surprised by what thrive thrive carries so many different products that I would never guess Well, let's see here. Um We have some eat cleaner products. Oh, oh you got some of her stuff. Yeah, it's a good friend of ours This is like a foreshadowing of things to come Do you know if we're going to have an affiliate set up with her before that episode goes up here? Do you know anything? Yeah, oh it's going to be all taken care of Okay, cool So eat cleaner is a product that you wash your vegetables and fruits with and it takes gets rid of the interview I believe goes up this weekend right Doug sunday on sunday. Yeah, so sunday you guys can hear about the great product The CEO of eat cleaner awesome awesome topic and then we'll also have a link in affiliate code for you guys So I've taken a page out of Justin's book. I've gotten some dr. Bronner's Handsome we had this here before I love the smell of this stuff. It's amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna leave one of these here I got two perfect now something I want to highlight about this It's thrive market six dollars and 75 cents. I bought a bottle of this at Whole Foods nine dollars and 99 Wow So substantial that's a big difference dude and then adam inspired the maple syrup. Oh, I just tried that to the day It's good drive market brand. I'm on them pancakes man protein pancakes. Yeah bacon pancakes bacon bacon. Sorry That's a little reference to a great cartoon So thrive market has their own bone broth. I love that. Yeah, so I got a couple of those I got beef and I got chicken now Doug You're the you're kind of the chef out of all of us when you when you drink or use bone broth Do you typically make it in some sort of a brew or stew or do you just do it by itself? How do you general rule? I just throw a little bit of salt in it and just drink it However, if you want to make something tasty like a Was it tom yum goon or something like that some Thai type soup? Wow Or tam ka guy. Wow. I wouldn't even know where to start. Do you know what it's good with rice? So instead of cooking your rice and water. Yeah, it's a good idea. It's bone broth. It's really good Interesting. I might try that and then the last thing I believe if I remember correctly. It's been a while Is I got something actually for the studio. It's a seventh generation disinfectant spray It's all kind of natural eucalyptus spearmint and time Oh, we'll get rid of that far now. We have a guest here and we have microphones and heads Yeah, pass that around. Thank you This is for the studio so that we can make everything, you know, kind of disinfecting pass that I want to smell that Yeah, yeah try it out. I want to wait. Hold on.  I like the red. Uh, stay authentic shirt, bro Yeah, yeah, I thought they came out really well. I think are they for sale yet? Yeah, dude, they're up on our store right now Actually, we're already ready for a new print that's coming out next week You know what? I don't think what I think a lot of it because we're in the process of still fixing this right So we're still converting from big cartel over to Shopify. So when you go on our website It looks like we only have two or three of these old shirts So you actually have to click On one of the shirts that you probably aren't even interested in and then that takes you over to big cartel Where you can see there's a ton of shirts that I think a lot of people don't even know that we have That's a good point. I'm glad you brought that so we have is only like three like you'll see like the zelda shirt You'll see like, you know two other examples But definitely just go in there and then you'll see all our new prints that are coming out So we got new ones coming out soon. Yep, and then we got some new we got a new Program coming out That's all i'm gonna say on this episode Just just just realize there's a new maps coming out pretty soon get excited This is four members gonna learn about it Oh, yeah four members if you're in the forum, you'll find out very soon.  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Yeah, so the way I interpret trying to figure that out is tough not to crack It is I think the way I interpret this question is, you know, how do we talk about Health and longevity to an audience that's just receptive to they're just what we're just really interested in Just changing how they look and they want to get fit and they want to get lean and they want to You know look sexy or whatever and that's the That's a good question because I think if you figure if you can figure that out man, you have really done a great job in in in fitness because It's sexy to it's very effective to tell people Look better be leaner be sexier lose weight lose fat and not talk about that other stuff because it's not nearly as marketable I think One of the ways that I've tried to communicate it is I've tried to Really communicate to people, you know personally and also all of us do this on the show I think pretty well or at least we're trying to Is to let people know that They're not separate and that if you do if you focus on Being you know on health if you focus on true total health You'll get a great deal of the other stuff that you're really interested in or the stuff that really Pulls to you, which is looking better being leaner being more muscular well I think it's also a lot of blind faith on our part as Disruptors in the industry and belief that we we truly believe that This what you just said in this question is going to change I think that's the old way and I think that that's how most people thought because that's how you've been marketed to And you've been sold for years But as people start to figure things out and as the show Mind pump continues to grow and our message spreads and other Influencers start to adopt that same message You're going to see more and more of this and it's not going to be that difficult right now It's difficult because I believe that we're part of the people that are moving it in that direction But look at that tip of the spear sort of uh, you know, we're the tip We're the tip. We're just the tip. Well, you haven't got all of it an example I can think of when you're just talking about this in our intro is uber is I I think Before long people will laugh at oh my god. We used to take taxis Like why would we ever do that when we could ride share with uber?  Well people forget why we are intro. Why do we have a natural affinity for? You know aesthetics or why does aesthetics even exist like if I show you There are definite signal. Yes, there are definite features that we can identify in people that make them Physically attractive, right? So, you know, it could be, uh, you know strong looking upper body good posture healthy skin Relatively lean You know good mobility good movement like these things we naturally find aesthetic and the problem is we tend to just focus on that rather than realizing that the the reason why we find Those attractive in the first place is because they are very visible signals of Good health. That's why we like them in the first.  So when we understand that we know that I mean look I love doing this to people I'll tell them this all time.  Physically, what is that representation of all that look like and most people will tell you? Oh, well, I'm Relatively lean. I've got good strength. I've got good movement. My skin looks good.  This is all false signal to where the internally, you know The health there just does not match. Well, think of it this way if if we can create the illusion of you know, health through false Signaling for example, you know, I put someone on on anabolic steroids Put them on a severely restricted diet Do all these different things to try to to create this aesthetic appeal which is really just signaling health That typically for most people Will never be quite as attractive as when it's real, right? Like we all know that person who looks good, but kind of looks fake That doesn't look as good Instinctively, we know this doesn't look as good as when it's a natural representation of health So when we look at both of them when we look at the fake representation of health Uh, you might look better through all these different things that you could do with your body because again It's sending out a fake signal, but you've also at the same time got poor health Maybe even poor emotional mental health and that's what's pushing you in that direction Now think of the alternative What if I focused on my health now not only am I going to look good? I'll probably look better But what's even better about that is I also have good health to go along with it Now I've got the whole the whole package and so when I can this is true for Older people younger people for everybody, you know, I've I've seen Uh, I've seen quite a few examples of people who are in advanced age who Don't you know do lots of stuff to the hair where lots of makeup, you know, don't have lots of procedures But they're very fit. They're very healthy emotionally They take care of themselves with food and exercise they're active to get plenty of sunshine And although they don't have the fake appearance of aesthetics When you look at them and you're around them, they're extremely attractive. They're vibrant They're vibrant and it's hard to put words to What that real attraction looks and feels like this is I'll use the example of of Of anabolic steroids, for example, like men will take steroids because they want to build muscle Part of the reason why they want to build muscle maybe to make them feel You know to to to solve some insecurities and part of it may be to appear more attractive To to women, but if we push that to the extreme There definitely are women that like That's that say they like men who are all super, you know pushed out in terms of anabolic steroids super shredded super muscular But the vast majority of women Just from a physical perspective Would choose the naturally Fit and lean individual and we'll go in the opposite direction when we look at women, for example When you're healthy you are lean, but you're not shredded Shredded doesn't really appear to be that aesthetic and attractive because it's not healthy And if you and you'll you'll notice this when you go look you talk to a bikini competitor Or a figure competitor ask them how attractive they think they they look On the day of their competition now forget their physique. They're getting judged on extremes But they themselves don't have that same Aesthetic appeal because they're not healthy same thing with male competitors You know you go to a I've been to a couple shows now since starting the show with with mine pump because adam competed We'd go to these shows and you look at the faces of these competitors Men and women and it doesn't look doesn't look good. They look unhealthy. It looks terrible Well getting back to the question on how do we reach out to more health health and longevity oriented clients? You know a lot of that is us connecting with other Companies that have a similar message as we do like the thrive markets like the organifi like the cauliflower foods like the jason phillips You know a lot of the partnerships and really eat cleaner. We were talking about earlier I mean these are all companies that if you're if if and they've obviously Are established have a pretty nice sized network that they're in successful business themselves So those people that are attracted to those types of products are probably more likely open to the message that we have to give to people too because We don't we're not appealing as much to the like we would not we wouldn't do so well like partnering up with like You know a gag supplements or going to like a muscle fitness Magazine like those that isn't our demographic of people We're we're looking for the people that have maybe gone and done that before and are seeking more and want health And are going that direction which partnering up and sharing and talking with companies that have similar types of message and maybe Related type of the related field, but not exactly the same thing, right? So I think that that's which was really hard to find. Yeah, it was and especially the beginning this has taken some time to Really wait for the market to kind of respond and start to actually create These types of businesses where we're like, oh cool. Finally somebody else that kind of gets You know the direction of where things need to go and you know, it's a matter of time But like you just got to stay consistent with your message And then look out for those look out for those opportunities to find businesses Like, you know, we've been we've been slowly trying to align ourselves. It's becoming Cool, which is More good than bad. There's some bad to that too because once It becomes cool to talk about health and longevity then you're going to see all the products surrounding it And you're going to see a lot of the misinformation that direction as well, you know as well Like we see now supplements for fasting and supplements for keto and supplements for You know for paleo because those things as they become cool. They try to figure out ways to I mean look here's a bottom line like Uh, there isn't a marketing team for whole natural foods. There really isn't like I don't know of the broccoli organization running commercials talking about how cool broccoli is process foods Have lots of Brussels sprouts have been on the rise It has but it's been really it's been really Like every restaurant. I'm just like, oh, they got Brussels sprouts We had it last night. We had it last night and uh In katrina, we were this was when I was going through that whole Presentation with the whole car thing, right? And she made it. She kind of served me and I was like in the middle talking to her And it was great. I ate it. You know, it was actually really good But I didn't comment on it and she's like you didn't say anything with the brussel sprouts I did this and I did that and I was like, I don't know what it is Maybe I just began a lot of really good brussel sprouts lately This is we've been all over all these restaurants We've been going and trying all these different brussel sprouts and I feel like we were just talking a little hot right now But it's becoming more cool. I think to talk about it health and longevity and all that stuff, which I think is good it's kind of Shifting a little bit. It's not that it's just not not that it's just becoming cooler It's also becoming obvious that they are because fitness has been around well It's it's something that we said a lot on the show like I remember we we said this all time Like the melding of health and wellness with performance like this is really mind pumps message And it really was a lot of I think we say less of it now because I feel like everybody is is heading that direction More of a foreign idea back right. It was very foreign And so we are trying to explain to people exactly what the message that we are trying to give which is that Listen, they're they're not they shouldn't be separate entities They're they they're the same in one and they should both be integrated into your health and wellness journey or performance journey If you're a performance driven person, it's you shouldn't neglect Health because that's a big piece of it too. No one one is a symptom of the other right You know the way you look is a symptom of how healthy you are and the healthier you are The better you typically will look and that's the bottom line And if you're an extreme athlete if you need to push your body beyond What's healthy which I understand that too you're compromised then you have a good base like you have a good solid base My solid base is Optimal health and then from there I can go more to extreme, but if you don't have that solid base What happens is you go from extreme, you know extreme, which is not healthy to the opposite extreme Which is also not healthy and you never find that solid ever grounded I didn't you guys find it interesting when we were interviewing robert oberist Just the other day and he talked about moving on from his supplement company And I was actually excited about that right and he was in a new direction And he was bringing up to us like about plant protein. He's like man I just feel so much better when I have plant protein if you guys ever had plant protein just intuitively He's like, oh man, I feel so much better right, you know, so I definitely think it's becoming it's becoming more popular for For the the combining of these like because he's why I brought him up because he's an extreme Athlete, I mean he's a very example of an extreme athlete stream of the extreme in this sport Who would give two shits about you know something that's probably healthier for him He knows damn well the extremes. He's pushing his body is not health and longevity But even then starting to realize like oh wow when I eat this type of a protein Which I'm already using a protein powder anyways. This one's better for my digestion I enjoy it better like there you go like you mean you're gonna start to see that You never you wouldn't have heard that 10 years ago. No Next question is from ac long year. My mom has osteoporosis and is getting worse She recently found out that calcium won't shuttle into her bones any insight on what she can try Her doc did say lifting light weights may help and I'm assisting her with that Well, isn't that isn't that what the definition of osteoporosis osteoporosis really is? It's just the in a that lack of ability for calcium. Some people will say it's autoimmune Potentially it's just obviously the weakening of bones.  Okay, this helps this helps a lot if I don't apply a Stresses on my muscles or force on my muscles my muscles will adapt In the direction my muscles will only ever be as strong as they need to be and your bones are the same Your bones will really only be as strong as they need to be so Using the example of muscle if I'm super sedentary not doing anything and I just start eating a shit ton more protein Because I know that protein, you know is what my body uses to build muscle. Am I going to build more muscle? Probably not. I'm probably not going to build any more muscle because My body has no reason to build more muscle doesn't have a signal Your bones are the same if you have osteoporosis and you know that calcium is used to build bone If I don't send a signal To my body to make my bones stronger I can take all the calcium in the world and it's not going to do anything in fact Taking calcium may actually cause problems and we do know that Calcium can start to cause problems that are arteries if we take too much of it And they're finding this now and actually more and more doctors are not recommending People take calcium to counter osteoporosis. So the doctor saying that lifting weights may help He's partially right The way the reason why he's wrong is it's it won't it not may help it definitely will That's the only thing that'll make the biggest difference The other thing too is vitamin d and i'm pretty sure her doctor tested her vitamin d levels But it's much more likely when somebody has bone issues if it's a nutrient deficiency It's more likely it's not calcium. It's more likely that's actually d Low vitamin d. That's the problem But if all of her nutrients are in check if everything's in balance Like gold if weights I had a client who had um osteopenia, which is right before osteoporosis So this is there's different levels when the bones start to get weakened, right? So it's like it's like before you have diabetes you have pre diabetes osteopenia is before osteoporosis now this client also had another issue where her but her she wasn't producing Enough platelets and in fact, uh the doctors at one point thought she had Cancer but they found that and they told her she had like six months to live and you know 10 years later She was still alive and they realized that it wasn't cancer. It's some strange autoimmune issue and her body just produces Lower and lower levels of platelets which can become very deadly because in your body your blood fails to clot and it can cause Lots of problems So she had osteopenia and she had this condition where she wasn't developing a lot of platelets Her name is linda great friend of mine love her to death She came to me and Said hey, do you think resistance training? Will help or exercise will help and so we sat down we talked and she was actually referred to me by one of her students She was a professor one of her students was a trainer that had worked for me years ago at 24 fitness So she comes in we sit down she'd never worked out before and we start talking. It's okay. Look resistance training creates The force and the stress that sends the signal for muscles to strengthen muscles anchor on bones So the bones do strengthen so I for sure think it'll strengthen osteopenia now as far as your condition with platelets a concern I know that bone marrow produces or is part of the process of making these platelets so Theoretically if we get your bones to want to strengthen We should create a positive response with your platelets So I trained her and over the course of three years We were able to not only stop her bone loss, which was the goal the goal the doctor said I just want you to stop the bone loss not only did we stop it But we reversed it But we also stopped and reversed what was happening with her platelets And it was so the doctors were so blown away which me blew me away because it was done I was crazy that they were blown away But they were so blown away that I had to that the doctors Had me fill out some forms and talk to me because they made a case study On her because of how positive the effects resistance training were on those two things resistance training is The the single best form of exercise That can combat many of the things that are connected to age And one of those is the weakening of the bones The best thing your mom can do is lift weights period hands down obviously there's the right dose Yes, so we got to start there and then you know build off of that, you know progressively but definitely Is the best thing you could possibly do especially like getting into You know the the elder, you know as we age like it's so much more crucial to be able to maintain function Like strength in itself Produces abilities. So like you want to you want to go travel you want to You know do day to day things and be independent like what what is more independent than to You know maintain the strength And and abilities that for you to get up and and be mobile and do what you want to do But yeah, you know maintaining your bone A density like just just overall strength and support, you know for your joints This is part of why we created the 30 days on the youtube is for someone just like this right to You know, maybe they've heard us talking on the show for a long time and the maps programs Seems like something like they may want to try but I don't know this Maybe my mom's not ready for something like that Like it's designed to kind of ease you into that that process So this was like I told my mother-in-law who's in her mid sixties like that's how I started her My my family on the other side that's in their late fifties Like these are the people that I started them on our 30 days Like if you were interested in any of our programs you haven't bought any yet You're not sure like here's a great place for you to start and get kind of a youtube one Yeah, the youtube 30 that we just did last month that series is perfect for still there It'll be there forever right and this and then from there, you know If if she does well with that and she's consistent with that the next natural progression would be like a maps red Which right now on the youtube channel We are giving everybody the first five days of maps red so they can test drive it and they could try it out and say Hey, let's was this something that I can follow and stick to so even then so if she goes through the 30 days She's still not sure then you could try the five days out that we're releasing right now And then from there like I would say red and probably prime pro is probably the programs that I would recommend So I just had an email from because I was on chris cresters podcast and he has a large audience of people I think in this category right people with autoimmune issues people who are a little older And this woman contacted me Karen is her name and she She's like I never lifted weights. I've only ever done cardio Because that's what my doctors have always recommended. I listened to your episode I was it was compelling and I want to start resistance training. What should I do? And so what I recommended that she did was I said, okay The two programs you need to get are maps prime and maps anabolic and the way I think you should start Is start with maps prime and do the fortification workouts because they're correctional So on monday do zone one workout on wednesday do zone two workout and on Friday do zone three workout and do this for six weeks and focus on just form Get good mobility get good control once you've done that for about three to six weeks Then progress to maps anabolic and do pre phase Pre phase is where I where I want people to start when they're just getting started with the resistance training Do that for about three to six weeks and then move to phase one and I think that's a perfect recommendation for most people In this situation, but really this question really highlights something that I find is absolutely Ridiculous and I'll make a prediction right now and I'm glad it's recorded because I guarantee you it's going to come true within the next Five to ten years The recommendation will change from Get 30 minutes of vigorous cardiovascular activity, which is what they recommend to to everybody into older people It's going to change the resistance training 100 I guarantee it 100 because they're so backwards with this shit If the recommendation should not be get 30 minutes of cardiovascular activity every day the recommendation should be resistance training should be the focus For everybody, but especially as people get older because you know loss of balance that's loss of strength loss of mobility That's loss of strength breaking breaking a hip or breaking a bone. I think it's almost patronizing for them to recommend that I think it's more like this You know, we don't think you're smart enough to go figure out how to lift weights And we don't think you're disciplined enough to do more than just walking. I don't I just don't know Oh, you think so I don't think they know I think you know why because the studies that are done on exercise I think they think people are too lazy and too dumb I think it's ease of access So like anytime anybody thinks about like I want to get started and start, you know getting healthy again They think immediately I'm going to start running You know or do some kind of cardio based movement where So much more benefit with and you start like really working on resistance training and you know Especially in your body, especially at the beginning right especially at the beginning If you're somebody who has not been really working out at all I mean the the benefits that we get during the beginning of getting into weight training is so crazy that It super trumps cardio, you know, and it does it does take education You know, there there is a process with that to understand, you know Your body and biomechanics to be able to lift properly and so that is very important But definitely, you know, that's why programming is important That's why like us laying it out in a specific way. That's easily under like understandable Will will benefit like this type of I firmly believe 100% firmly believe that it will be not only a recommendation But this will start to become part of the protocol is that as you age We are going to give you resistance training exercises and that's going to be the focus because Nothing comes close and three days of vigorous activity of vigorous, you know Cardiovascular activity is better than nothing, but it's barely better than nothing It's not going to get do a whole lot for you like resistance training I firmly believe within the next 10 years you will go to the doctor and the doctor will say okay cool Now I'm prescribing resistance training. That's what you need to do and then you're going to start to see the market cater to That audience you're going to see more gyms cater to that audience because That's it.  She heard it on a freaking, you know podcast for me Next question is from creamer 12 I've been seeing people do a carnivore diet, which is all meat and No vegetables. Yeah, that's right No vegetables or anything else I know you all don't believe in one diet, but what are your thoughts on this and perhaps I didn't finish writing this question now What do you wait a second? So you guys wanted to talk about this just just and don't you have the doctor that's doing That's coming in. Yeah, Dr. Sean Baker. Sean Baker. Is he scheduled already? He's in the schedule. Yeah to do a podcast with us. Do you guys know when we have him? Is he this month? I don't I don't know I believe he might be might be at the end of this month if not the beginning of next So, yeah, it's definitely in the works and you who went this direction on the question then. Yes, you should have saved it No, you know why I want to speculate before we have them. Yes, because Because it's so everybody's I've been getting a million questions on this I think it's a great thing to talk about and I would love to share this episode with Dr. Sean Baker before we meet with him so he can address Any of the things that we talk about here because I can safely say I think I I can safely assume what we're all going to Say about this, but Here's the thing. So what the carnivore diet is literally you just eat meat. There's a doctor. Dr. Sean Baker has been making the rounds You know, that's no veggies either. Nothing nothing. Nothing. There's no plant anything It's all meat and some eggs And some dairy but mostly just meat and this guy's eating like three to four five pounds of meat a day It's like steaks or like ground up meat. Yeah, so And I listened to him. He's on Joe Rogan. Uh, I I'm listening to what he's talking about He's been doing it for a year. He says he feels great Here's the thing you need to people need to understand about humans Uh, we can get away with resilient as fuck.  So I think this really just highlights that humans evolved Uh in in states where we probably didn't have a lot of food accessible all the time And sometimes we only had a couple things accessible and sometimes it was just meat and sometimes it was just vegetables and We know you can eat vegan and be okay Um, can you eat just meat and be okay for a little while? Yes, probably is it ideal long term? I doubt it. I doubt it's ideal for most people Do you think that do you think that was his his intent of going on this diet? Or do you think it was like the counter to the vegan the whole veganism? Do you think it's more like that where he's trying to show that listen You could go on this diet for an entire year and talk about all the great markers that you're seeing change and positive So is it more or do you think he really is going to subscribe to a started with keto? If you remember correctly and then just kind of transition He he looked into like a forum that had talked about this like carnivore diet and Decided to kind of give it a try and he noticed Um great, uh performance benefits within his workouts and things like that and But the thing is like even on the show like he didn't He didn't reveal like any of blood work done right or like, you know any of the health markers or things like that because Oh, he didn't but I want him to I really want him to describe all that because he had a really interesting uh thought process with that as far as like what you consider healthy and like What what like really are the markers you should pay attention to and so it's a different perspective and it's definitely I mean he is a doctor. Yeah, and it's something that I think um, it's It's contrary to common thought and so I think that's why it's the md or what kind of what kind of dark He's a he's a surgeon.   So this is all very fascinating, you know, uh information that I feel like Orthopedic surgeon We may not agree completely obviously with you know, the train of thought with it But it's definitely something that's well thought out. Here's it. Here's the thing And I'll tell you so I did a lot of research on this just and brought this up a while ago And I thought it was absolutely insane And so I did a bunch of uh reading on it and I went on these forums I read what people said lots of people took blood work and showed great numbers other people said they felt great Of course other people said they tried it and felt terrible because again, there's a massive individual variance Here's where I think Some people are going to feel good eating in this way I don't think people are are feeling good because They're eating so much meat. I think some people have such bad Uh issues with food intolerances that eliminating Plants puts their body takes their body out of this Uh, this hyper immune state and plants what we're finding now plants have defense mechanisms And if you have an if you have a food intolerance The odds are it's going to be to to a plant and not to meat It's just true the only non plant thing There's two non plant things that are interesting theory that I never thought about it's not I mean, it's true like Dairy and eggs you'll have uh food intolerances, but other than that It's rare to see food intolerances to fish Chicken beef. I mean they exist, but it's far more rare and the reason for this is Is if you think about it, it's quite obvious Food plants do contain natural defense mechanisms to prevent themselves from being eaten by Predators now plants can't run away Plants don't have claws and teeth to fight and defend themselves But what they can do is they can produce things that will make them hard to digest or impossible to digest so that they don't get Wheat is a great example if I pick wheat out of the ground and I eat it raw It will it will fuck me up.   So that's their defense mechanism So this is why I think some people feel better eating this way because they have such bad gut issues from you know For whatever reason that plants just fuck them up So they cut plants out and they're like wow, I feel great, but it's not the meat It's the lack of these things that give them intolerances and my advice to those people would be You're why don't we address the issues see if we can get you away from You know try and correct some of these issues that are causing intolerances so that you can't eat Some of these plants that have Other benefits. Yeah, that's because they have health benefits. They do now from a nutrient standpoint If you were just to eat meat versus if you were just to eat plants and you were in nature The likelihood that you would have a nutrient deficiency is actually higher if you just ate plants Yeah Well because you think about that the non essential versus essential nutrients and so meat you get it covered right Your proteins and fats so the only nutrient that's in question with just eating meat is vitamin c Because you really only find vitamin c. I mean you can find some vitamin c in certain organ meats But it's much more difficult. It's it's mainly found out how you described how that converts Yeah, you know like even I forget exactly like what he said But like there was a form of it that it your body ends up kind of Adjusting to that apparently your body needs less vitamin c when you don't eat plants, but You know scurvy was a real thing in the old world when they would travel on ships and just have preserved meat And they'd have to stop and see if they could find you know like the island of sicily for example Became quite wealthy or least the landowners did because when people go through the Mediterranean They would get lemons there to prevent scurvy through their through their travels or whatever So I'm in I'm very interested in talking to but I don't think I don't think this is ideal at all long term No, no like it's and it's extreme. You know like another thing like if I'm just gonna eat meat all the time like That's got to be really hard.  I I couldn't imagine only sticking to me sounds cool for a couple weeks But definitely not yeah, you know every which and I doubt there's I mean there's forms of this But I doubt it's like really long term You know communities that you can have as examples that you've seen even the takeaway for me Is this and I've had days like this and it's why I don't stress about it when it has happened Where there might have been a day where all I ate was almost all me all day long Just didn't get to as many veggies as I probably should over wanted to and didn't get into any other carbohydrates And all I had was meat all day long like you're not gonna die. You're gonna be okay In fact, it's arguably as good as if I would have had vegetables all day long And in fact probably the ideal world is is rotating the both of them like maybe one day's all me and another day's all vegetarian That's actually the other part of the question that Doug put up there was we've talked about having a vegan day Do we think there may be a benefit? Sure?   That's right So they do eat a mostly meat diet mostly seal blubber and fish and high fat and that kind of stuff But it's not uh, it's not like that all the time two three months of the year they eat plant And the other thing too is this is If people get the they get the concept of just a carnivore diet You know what they're gonna eat a lot of they're gonna a lot of steak, you know I mean they're gonna a lot of that kind of meat like yeah People who eat a car, you know if when humans evolve then we ate meat We also eat organs and blubber and skin and eyeballs and I'm pretty sure we didn't just cut the freaking tasty You know steak part and just ate that. Yeah, and you also have to be concerned about what your meat ate You know and like if you're getting all grains, you know fed meat and all that kind of stuff Like, you know, you have to just be a little discerning as far as like what the quality and all that kind of stuff too Yeah, is he eating is do you know if he's eating all grass-fed organic or I believe he is okay? Next question is from hmez for Which of your clients was most impactful in your life and why what an interesting question man That's a that's a hard one for me. That's a there's because I know I could think I mean they've all impacted us in different ways Right, but I can definitely think of a couple that really stand out to me So do you know someone right away because I do okay. Tell me who you who you have This one was so I've had a lot quite a few clients that have become very close to who changed me Both through the process of training them, but also because they without inadvertently without realizing became mentors to me So I can name quite a few But one Really stands out in a huge huge way and if it wasn't for this one client that I had I would not be here and this is a very easy one for me to pick and that was dug Doug When I first started training Doug We fell in love right away and had a relation now when I when I first started training Doug. So Doug came to me Through a chiropractor that I had trained for a first a short period of time So it was a friend of mine. It was a chiropractor And I trained him and this chiropractor like loved the way I trained people He started sending me his patients because I had a good understanding of correctional exercise And so he saw that I could benefit his patients and we worked together And he sent me Doug and Doug came to me because he had back problems And so this guy told Doug hey go to see Sal. He'll help you with your back problems When I started talking to Doug That was Doug's first goal his first goal was hey, man my back.  I'd also like to Build some muscle and get leaner and this and that and so we had those other goals and Doug had a long History of exercise so he was by no means a beginner He was always active had lifted weights for a long time done body part splits. He Followed bill Phillips body for life for a while did that whole competition and Understood, you know food intake actually had a great understanding nutrition far better than most clients had worked with So we started training and initially You know when Doug first came in I told him I'm only going to train you twice a week And that's all I want you to do. I don't want you to come any more than twice a week And I don't want you to do anything else On your own in terms of resistance training. I mean you could you could be active otherwise But don't do anything else and he was a little skeptical That he would actually get results or build muscle With two days a week and that's because of you know, what he had learned before But you know, luckily I'm really convincing so I you know, I basically closed them on it And I remembered specifically conversations where I'd have to close them on it and he trusted me And in a very short period of time because Doug has great genetics Which is funny because he thought he had terrible genetics, but he's got great genes Not only did he fix his back, but he got strong as fuck actually became one of my more stronger clients Eventually got to a point where he could deadlift twice his body weight at the age of almost uh, How old was he almost almost 50? I think it was 48 And um, it was really really cool, but within a I want to say within the first Eight months or so of training He would talk to me about What I was talking about about my a bit, you know What he said was my ability to communicate these things and he said hey, man I I think if you can promote your ideas and stuff Uh in ways that will you know, you'll be able to reach more people Like I think you could do this all online And he was kind of telling me and in not so many words that He felt like I was wasting what he said was my talent Like I think you could get this out To more people and potentially reach millions instead of just helping your that's it a few hundred people in your studio And he saw my passion. I really loved what I did I loved all the clients that we had in there and you know me and Doug became kind of close and So he kind of convinced me and he would tell me listen Sal If you ever come up with an idea or anything that you think you can sell or promote Let me know because I have experience In doing these kinds of things. I understand how to Videotape things.  I had no idea how any of that worked video tape.  Well, I mean I knew so I knew social media I was like this guy's so brilliant, but he's retarded here. I'm gonna help him out I mean, well, here's the thing like I don't know how to promote myself I don't know how to put together a freaking online program I would have had to hire somebody would cost me Tens of thousands of dollars into the first place go So he told me he's like if you if you ever have an idea let me know and at the time when he told me I had no Idea I just said well, I don't understand how that's gonna work And so Doug would say things like well, you know You could start a podcast you could start a newsletter and we talk about these ideas And so a few months later, you know I you know was up late one night and the idea for maps and a ball it came to me and I Wrote this whole program out and I approached him and he tested out the theories and his body responded I tested on my clients. I did it on myself and Doug and I thought I was gonna write a book I don't know if I ever told you guys this I told Doug. I'm like, oh cool Help me write a book and he goes no dude We're gonna do videos and we're gonna put this on the internet and we're gonna sell it Through videos and I'd never been on video before I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I could do this and Doug kind of convinced me. He's like, no No, I think that's the way we need to do it. And so I kind of trusted him And I said, okay, and we made the videos and we did all that and then I sent them to adam and that's kind of what Scott the ball rolling for for me for mine pump and for maps and everything else that's happened now and so For me to pick the most impactful person Easily is the inception easily because if it wasn't for Doug if it wasn't for Doug There's no way I would have got here. No way. I would still be right a loud mouth in the gym Yeah, no, I'm sorry. That's it. You know when I think of impactful clients Uh in my life It's really tough to narrow down just one because why you are talking there I'm kind of like racking my brain of well I could think of people that have like I could think of the client who impacted my my business life the most I could think of the client that impacted my personal growth the most And so for me to just give it to one person is really tough for me But what I I will choose one for the sake of with this not turning into a two-hour podcast And me and it being about me talking about all my special clients But I had the client that I have and I've actually talked about this client on the show But not in this manner So this might be surprising for someone who's been listening to all the shows And that is the same client who fucking threw the barbell at me And I fired great story. So this client of mine was was with me for Seven or eight years. So I had her for a very long time And she was an executive for the Knight Ritter the news the people who do the San Jose Mercury news So the newspaper company that does San Jose Mercury building still exists. I believe yeah, I believe it does actually I don't know if they still do the same thing or what but she was an executive for them She was not that much older than me I think she only had a couple years on me and she was extremely successful Brilliant and extremely the opposite of me And so Why I picked her as the most girl. She's brilliant and she's the opposite Well, you know and brilliant in her own way right and you know, and she was she's kind of a feminist she Was definitely a hardcore liberal And she was super Anti god or religion. She was a heavy reader didn't really watch any movies And so so much of her was so different from me But we spent, you know, five days it was she would train with me five days a week for seven eight years So I've spent, you know Hundreds and hundreds of hours with her the course of my career. I trained her once. Yeah, right And so, you know like help you out. She is a was a unique person But it taught me a lot about myself I learned an incredible amount about business From her. I mean, she was very successful She was my favorite client because I've always been an entrepreneur at heart And so I've and I've always had multiple business or lines of income coming in and So I would always be sharing my ideas with my really intelligent clients like her because I love to hear their feedback And she would shit on almost everything I came to her and she but that's why see and this goes back to You know How we've said since day one on this podcast the types of people we are and why we probably all get along Is that we seek those paradigm shattering moments? I seek the people that disagree with me because It helps me learn it helps me grow through that process It doesn't mean that everything she said I'd listen to and I didn't do anything No, but I love to hear somebody who was going to disagree with me and then intelligently tell me why they disagree with me I learned so much through that process with this person and it taught me so much about me and it taught me a lot about Looking for people like that.  I don't know if you know this So she wanted to train so fucking much with me that she was asking to train two times a day And I was like we just can't we can't do they don't allow that they don't allow that right And so she wrote an email to corporate to get approval for her to train twice in a day And it's that's how like how much time I spent with this woman And yet we were not even close enough friends that we would go outside of the the the business and hang out And have dinner or lunch or any sort of friendship like that it was purely a business relationship But it it obviously grew to more than that because of how impactful she was in my life But yet we weren't that close so very very unique client probably most most impactful in my life for those Reasons even though I can think of a handful of people that have have really mentored me or really Impacted my my life and other aspects. So I would say her it is tough man It is tough because you go through the roll of decks of like there's been impactful moments and Depending on what phase of life I was in Because dude we've been training for well over a decade And so there's been a lot of different periods in life that I've experienced and then certain clients have stood out in those moments and have really stepped forward and Been a guiding light for me and been there as far as like, you know Whether it's breaking off on my own and doing the independent route and somebody that helped me with that process and was really You know like an example for me And there and I could lean on you know them specifically or like when I'm having a kid, you know, and like, you know I'm going I'm getting married and like I'm so there's just been like these really pivotal moments But throughout this entire process Much like, you know, kind of what you're describing Adam as far as like somebody that's been so so impactful That it's been challenging but at the same time I had a different experience. So she's very Much of a relatable person for me and like a model example of like like how I want to be and how I want to treat people And um, she's just been like this this very very impactful like business woman that um Has faced like insurmountable odds and has just overcome so many things that uh, Like I'm just so like in awe of what she's accomplished And um, I I was connected to her because I was shifting my entire business model to where I was trying to cater to Somebody that was in this type of environment where the pressures Were so unreal that like Health to them was everything like this is the first time I've actually dressed somebody that all they cared about was like, dude Just please keep keep me healthy. Yeah, like like, uh, you know, I definitely want to be in shape I want to look good all this stuff. But like this was where it was like you could just see You could just see like this health deterioration because of the stress and like waking up like taking international calls and putting out fires at two Three four five in the morning. I have to adjust. I'm sitting out in the parking like like in her, uh driveway just waiting and She's like, I can't I can't train. I can't train today and I had to deal with that Like I had to deal with the frustration of like, I'm here. Let's do this. But like she's putting out fires So it's it was super super challenging for me to make progress And to then manage like, well, how can I really help her? Right, you know, how can I make an impact? Nutritionally, how can I establish? rituals like, you know, the mechanics were like really tough because it used to be a dancer and like There's these like really horrendous like recruitment patterns that I have no idea where to start, you know and like like so I started I experimented with so many different things like bringing people in like bringing in, um, you know, somebody to try and help to manage completely like her nutrition by providing and and like catering like a chef like doing everything right and so we tried that direction and I tried You know bringing in like a nutritionist at the time because I felt like that was one of my weaknesses and I really wanted to kind of bring in in reinforcements And uh, and then this this is what really challenged me to learn more. So I went and pursued more information on mobility, you know, and I found, um, certifications that really helped me to address a lot of the recruitment issues, you know that were happening with her knees or hips You know just her body and just keeping her healthy and then how to counter stress and so anyway, just long story short like I I just like I have not learned more just by seeing somebody like Be on that level and that that's something that I've aspired to um To to to kind of challenge myself to to propel myself in that direction But seeing it like the example of that and and understanding what that takes but now how to Manage that my own life Amidst the chaos. I think she has just been the most prime example of being able to overcome all these different forces and then really bring it back to her and like and like how Um, you know, she was going to be able to navigate a healthy lifestyle going forward It's crazy that all three of us picked powerful women that impacted our lives To that point that you just said right now Justin is kind of funny because last night When I was telling you that I was listening to this presentation from Jessica who I used to train in the past And she's so caught up in this startup, right? She's in startup life right now. So she's not she hasn't worked out She's falling off the wagon like crazy And you know, I coach her time to time and and one of the things that and she had come came over literally to talk to me A little bit about getting her back in the swing of things and You know, one of the issues like mad adam She goes I set my alarm every day this last week to get up early and start maps red and do all and get going on This and that and then I'm like I'm like just why don't don't look at like this And I said I'm going to give you advice right now that I for sure know that the you know 10 15 years ago trainer Adam wouldn't and I said Throw mine pump back in your ears and go walk every day for a half hour to hour.     No, what I need to do is is teach them the the right process And so I had to unpack that and and it took me years to put that together But now my advice is so different than what it would be to help you evolve Right, you know, and that's that that's exactly what happened to me because I was that guy. Oh, come on consistency Right, you know, rah rah rah And uh, so this threw me completely off kilter and and yeah, it's been super super transformative Probably easily the best thing about being a trainer is that is just the people you get to work with 100% 100% that's the best part. That's it 100% Oh, I attribute most of my success and knowledge has come from the years Uh that I was training. I mean even going back to the client I talked about You know, a lot of people have asked me like where did my like, you know A thirst for reading kickoff and it partially kicked off because of her I had her in my early 20s through my mid and late 20s And it was 25 years old when I really kicked that off And I remember that there was a specific thing that happened in my career that really Catapulted that but if it wasn't for someone like her who was always in my ear She used to make fun of me that I watched movies Like she used to say like she thinks it's a waste of time to watch a movie a second time Like if you seen it, why would you watch it again? Like I'm like, that's my favorite movie I love to watch. She's like, yeah, but that's the waste of your time That could have been an hour or two hour half hours that you read an incredible book that could change your life So she used to always be in my ear with things like that And I know that was a lot of what kind of catapult to me in that direction. So it's cool It's really, you know, it's funny when when when we filmed Maps anabolic another client helped us film it One of my other clients was the one holding the the clickboard And helping with the sound and the lights and would show up on his own time Just to help out I had other clients who would help out and allow Me to reschedule with them or change their scheduling to do this kind of stuff And every single one of them believed that I mean to the point where when we started doing this and the first Videos came out and I would show them I'd send them to my clients. This is how cool they were They would all say things like, you know, man, this really makes me happy But I'm also sad because I know our time is limited now Like they all believed in me so much because of what they saw all of them were kind of sad about it And we're happy at the same time. So that's the best part right there Check it out.  Just go to the app store Get our free app mind pump media Then you can listen to this podcast through the app. It lets you Search all the shows with the search function and there will be more Functions added to it As we go along again, it's free. It's a great way to support the podcast The mind pump media app. Go get it. 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