all right well everything I have been exercising I've been massaging gently my women hating glands just this occasion they're engorged the woman shall be destroyed women love a big gland that's why I tell people all the time yeah some people think it's my catchphrase I say it so much I think I said that one of many so much and you're like yeah they love the glands they love those glands I say hello a lot doesn't mean it's my catchphrase complicated sort of thing what makes me could be if you are a Walmart greeter that could be your catch phrases hello also hello welcome to Walmart if someone comes in with a little name label should you add that into your greeting hello my name is Stephen yeah and then oh imagine you're so committed that whenever like a worker goes out and comes back in you greet them and they're like yeah yeah I know I work here he's like oh yeah that becomes how many people how many Walmart greeters do you think do that and they think it's really fucking clever like the most depressed fucking employees like please don't they is like literally every Walmart greeter does that and they think it's just the funniest shit ever but they quickly learned what the real world is like is a dark and cold place at the front of that wall maybe there was just like a really you know like a young man who's just having some fun and then gets beaten down by everyone's depressed look on greeting they're like I don't want to be greeted you fuck I don't want to be greeted I fucking work here Carl Jesus fucking Christ you saw me when I walked in we clocked in together we have the same shift you don't have to welcome me to Walmart I think I talked about it I don't want to I don't want to be reminded that I'm here you've had ages ago but uh did any of you in working in any form of retail get told anything that's similar to this where you had to score five points when dealing with a customer and there's a multitude of ways these points can be achieved and we had like a list and you have to achieve you have to take at least five of these these boxes so they include stuff like asking the customer what they think about the weather telling the customer that what they have chosen to purchase is a very very good choice complimenting them on their clothing telling them that they look really really like like just upbeat and happy today or asking them about a story they may be telling or something that implies something about their lives do you know insufferable that shit is I was about to say with your first one the weather thing that sounds so insufferable and generic and just art it's artificial you still get a point give you a whole point for that one because what's weird is that one of my my first real job was in a traditional job I should say was working in a four star hotel and it was Forbes ranked and for a four star hotel you had to do a bunch of different things and even though there was a lot of stipulations on what you couldn't couldn't do you also had a pretty decent amount of freedom in terms of how you interacted with guests because one of the keys was under these standards that you don't want to come across as robotic and like you're just going down a checklist of things that you've been taught to do you want to be extremely like polite and cordial and all that good stuff but you want to come across as an actual person with a sense of agency um and so they really encouraged us to actually you know within reason but to actually just be kind of normal around guests just the good version of what normal is supposed to be the one that always bug me was uh it wasn't just that you have to get two points if you not only complement the purchase but you comment on why the purchase was good and if they've bought something that like so it was hard for me because i worked in the software department yeah your old underpants must have had a bunch of holes in them man and if they picked up so like oh look here obviously this is out of sync with time but if they picked oh no man's sky came out while i was working there so or at least i think it did i would have to i would have to remember it was a shitty game and they bought that and one of the things to complement the purchase and i was like um well you know i'm sure there's plenty of fun to be had with that in in many ways and you're like good job um and yeah the the main sort of memory i have of that was uh i only ticked four boxes once while my manager was was next to me i was doing it and when the person went away they were like that was four points that's not good enough okay you say at least i scored more than you have well though they were they scored like a perfect like seven every time you know they were they were an immaculate employee but uh not what i was referring to but that is fair enough if you could flaunt that in front of you know their faces hell yeah you show your little board rags and customer was effort free time they no one knows what you just said i can't give you any of the doubt and say that it was pretty insightful and i liked it in spirit if it was another guest i might not give them that kind of a uh that kind of a benefit but i feel with you it's a safe bet do you don't try again dude i feel sorry for brie larson right now she's literally in a thumbnail of a video with 13 million views that just it's just called five common habits that make people really dislike you man maybe you shouldn't have five common habits that make people dislike yeah avoid that you would have been fine is that one of those charisma on command type channels yeah it is it is it is it is definitely one of those type channels it's charisma on command all right so there's a channel right it is a channel like itself that is that is true hmm hmm well funny that um that is i do find that is amusing hmm yeah well now that we got all that shit out of the way we can start recording and begin our efap right i'm hitting stream start now right wait i didn't get my inward out of the way god damn hi everybody hi yeah our welcome to efap hello you know about that i'm glad you're here that five point system by the way you could tell customers fucking found it annoying like whenever you ask them of course all those questions are annoying just like i'm here to weather let me buy the thing and you're like yeah but i have to do the thing i have to i got to ask you the questions and then like shut the fuck up wouldn't it be like those are the questions i was annoyingly into it into it oh do you mean like if a if a fucking person what do you think of the weather that you come back with i don't know what do you think of it what do you think of the fact that this girl is it's rating player well how do you feel about everything in life person who works here i'm so glad you asked me that because i have several comments to make on the topic you just pull out this this notebook i was like oh i'm so glad someone finally wants to listen to me thank god study the weather nobody ever asks me i'm a meteorologist thank you fuck thank you for asking everyone else finds it annoying but i think the weather is fucking fascinating you don't know how thrilled i am to be asked about the weather i live and breathe precipitation oh and i think that's adorable those are the questions that yeah make me feel like you're just a robot trying to fill out a checklist go away i didn't i came here to shop i didn't come here to talk to your ass i'll never shop here again and you're like oh no i think we know weather you know a radio shack that never asked me about the weather anyway welcome to evap welcome to evap everybody do one welcome back uh how you guys liking this weather hi welcome to evap i'll be your server this evening no we've ticked like several boxes hey good purchase chat i can see you're holding a um a bowl of cereal that's a that's super chat you just chose watching us that was a fine super chat we'll get to it eventually i promise excellent choice i like that they don't have to not you worry this conversation will not we've been streaming for nearly 10 minutes oh my goodness gracious a fell for jay fell for the thing that i said yeah i said we did the thing jay you're such a you're such a wonderful interlocutor wait what ever change for you say wow seems like jay doesn't get something oh no i'm not gonna i i'm not gonna scapegoat someone else just because like that's i'm not gonna do that spring you just woken up you know what yeah when i told jay to never change there are people out there who think that will make me a transphobe mm wait what what i didn't let him follow no that's fine it was just a it was just an observation about the world that we live in and how people react to the things we say that's true for reasons to hate us hey mauler no what an incredible segue about people looking for things to hate us oh about well i was thinking like how do i even know dude on your own time it's fine i just walked into the walmart i i i those days are over i i do a different checklist now five ways to try and piss someone off that's my goal wait that wasn't the list that you just gave i'm coming that food no when they walk up with no bad sky i'm like that's a shitty purchase you waste your fucking buddy and then they're like oh i somebody else so they come back the next day thank you for saving my buddy on that i'm gonna buy a whole bunch of other stuff what else do you recommend yeah because it's they're still gonna walk out of that store with a video game it'll just be different when they came in there to buy a game and god damn it they're gonna unless they came into buy the game specifically like oh yeah maybe because they pre-ordered it well they boys especially if it's on release day you know oh yeah well but they're gonna be like oh but my friends are gonna play it is like well then you can gloat to your friends that you didn't get suckered in like they did i'm you gotta play the long game my friend who we here at walmart yeah we're all about that give people what they need not what they want uh i think it's because the founder's name was sam walton so why don't i think he's also from arkansas we were just talking about john wane not john wane john cash johnny cash johnny cash show jc wait just hold on now we're diving down the rabbit hole walmart is based in bentonville arkansas so you're probably right wow everything happens i remember south actually i remember that from south block actually i don't think he was born he wasn't he was born in oklahoma however he was um he the first one that he made was in arkansas and really that's like your second birth right you're born the first time when you get squeezed out of your mother's vagina but your real birth is when you make your first business that's that's your real birthplace that's the new you what about when you build your second business and where you know you're already born okay you're already bored now some people would say that's being born again that's not normally how they mean it they mean it in different i mean it in religious context yes they do yeah i'm i'm born again i see the light i didn't see the light when you say you're born again ranks you're referring to a business you just died no i'm into um what's it called i'm i'm into uh unberthing that's one of my fetishes oh i like to put it back i like to either be i like to either crawl up into a lady's nether bits or i like to be ingested and then birthed out somehow do you put the um just come out with slimy mucus i like to consume the placenta for its incredible nutritional value none of this sounds economic you know um you're born again when you responded to video games so if you think about it you've been born again yeah jack thompson was right video games are demonic well how are they demonic being born again is like super christian right so if i know when you're born again that many times aberration yeah this is an aberration of christianity my friend that's like this is the devil's playground yeah let's just say clearly damien was casting spells to get us to resurrect that many times jesus did it the one time right not like the fucking million times uh yes i thought i think he was only yeah he was only yeah the lore was pretty specific on its big point that he was resurrected time for a segue the mcu is shit the mcu is speaking of things that need to be fucking born again thinking of things that need salvation uh this point is a trend well it is an unbearable trend for those who haven't been able to keep up with all of this for whatever reason and one division falcon the winter soldier lowkey and black widow uh i have consumed all available content relating to them as has rags and fringo and possibly meme repository and all j you say consumed i think force fed is more applicable yeah i feel like yeah it's um it's been rough but i feel like oh it's been bad it's been all misses with the ex is far from home is phase phase four that's no that's phase three technically that was in phase three off all right yeah phase four sucks yeah phase four is an unmitigated disaster well especially for character like damn like what they did yeah what they did to sound what they did to bucky what they've done to lowkey and what they did to natasha um i almost said what i i almost thought you said what they did to shazam uh i heard noise right yeah we'll get assassinated in his very fucking god no what's weird is that when you said shazam i was thinking of the chiquillo kneel one which one is he kazam kazam you said shazam i thought kazam i mean i i i am not even is that didn't he do what do you steal was that one he did for someone else yeah yeah he did steal as well i want a hero he was uh was he luke cage or was that laurence fishburn uh what uh my totally different person shazam shazam's like a bunch of children and they all get killed but i think who is it in flashpoint paradox it kills a bunch of them um no um well in flashpoint paradox uh uh well the um shazam of that universe was captain thunder i think um like in the gimmick was all five of them needed to say shazam at the same time to turn into captain thunder so it was kind of like captain planon actually thinking about it if shazam if so wait so if so he was a kazam was a cuz i just know of him i don't know what it says he a genie yeah grant fishes he raps oh he should have uh he should have wished he shot free throws better i don't know that's the rare that's a rare sports related piece of humor from rags everybody mark that down in your diaries is that wouldn't he wish for like the best acting career because that kind of outclasses the best basketball career right so well so here's the thing about shakilo neal is that even though he is a renowned actor um he was also before that he was known primarily for his performance in the national basketball association i know that one nba yeah that's right nba um so the reason i bring up the mcu isn't just to shit on it quickly it's to shit on it longly um we got uh so loki is out to up to five episodes and uh someone released a video saying that it's like it's like talk to who done right and so i was thinking do i know anybody who likes doc to who and i was like fringy and meme repository i think quite big fans yeah and um i know rags have seen like one or two episodes i've seen a few seasons i've seen a rick and morty uh yes and doc to who you see the oh okay i was adjusting my windows and then i was just chilling out on the internet and it was like recommended five hour rant angry about why women shouldn't be in doc to who and i was like uh oh my god let's go and change the video title to five hour rant colon angry and i was like yeah i guess i'll give the first few seconds a shot i played it and i was like yeah i'm not watching all of this and so i tweeted out what the fuck is wrong with people to make a five hour video about something you don't like like talk about things you do like jesus um it's almost as if you've been in my fucking room the entire day because this is the these are the tweets i've been going through i'm currently making a video about this well you know like it's nearly done it's probably gonna go out in the next few days i mean yeah you you get in you get in the long treatment and it's like god i need to make something long soon to get back on the long you will never understand what i'm going through right now hey once i finish the tfa series that's gonna be like 16 hours on one movie so i'll smash you be smashed because you did a whole series i've seen people say that it's like it makes way more sense to mola because it's like jay's cover and you know a bazillion years of content so yeah there you go i think way more sense than mola because star wars has only been around since it's like making sense the only thing you care about i well i care about like bunnies and stuff i like them bunnies make sense i feel like they're under the umbrella yeah yeah bunnies make sense you have to find something that doesn't make sense you do care about um ranting about something you don't like for five hours now that that's that's yeah and i like that that's crazy direct that's okay okay so anyway i saw this video and i was like that's pretty misogynist and i was like i'll contact the creator this is jay um i don't know can you explain yourself what the fuck did you make that video what's wrong with you i'm a misogynist well there we go compression thanks for watching everybody um we cracked the case you know and hopefully next time you'll make a 10 minute video and uh something bite size i guess it's about it's about it's about 20 minutes actually okay well i think finally there's some so i think you've learned if you saw that tweet like i got a while back where they said uh the correct ratio i think is is it two-thirds of the content you're covering is the maximum amount of time you're allowed to spend so yeah if you're covering i love how arbitrary it's getting well the whole point and they're very strong on this they said the whole point is that they wouldn't want it to like if the review is like ah you should watch it or you shouldn't watch it that's all reviews do so why would i watch a review i'm gonna just watch it you have to be shorter than it idiot idiot i'm glad we learned a lot today because for me i only ever watched reviews to to tell me whether or not to watch a thing and then i watch the thing or not depending on what the review said that's basically how i do it i have no sense of agency or self-importance they say it with so much pride you're like you don't even know what you're just saying is subterranean um so yeah i was like a doc two person and he goes bring on and um this is the one we've never actually covered before called uh full fad videos and um they said Loki is the antidote for bad doctor who which is a bizarre statement because as was implied just earlier we believe Loki is godawful um i suppose we could do a quick rundown of why that is we're gonna do a full breakdown of Loki in two weeks from now uh full black widow breakdown in one week from now but for now uh Loki's will building is possibly the worst things that have happened to the mcu and we already said the will building was pretty bad and falcon the winter soldier but this is different this is how the well i feel like i feel like the easiest way to explain what's wrong with this show is that when a timeline branches off for reasons unexplained they teleport it to the end of time where it is eaten by a giant purple fart cloud dragon why is that hard to understand like this is i i don't know how to stand just because you can type it in a script doesn't mean it should be there well there's just words can describe it doesn't mean that you should describe them i feel like Loki's the best example of someone if there's someone in chat who's seen a lot of the mcu but not everything maybe they saw edin game they've missed a few here and they're like what's uh what's been happening lately and you say Loki established there's an organization that controls time and space to a degree because they can use grenades to delete timelines that are created by people who do things they're not supposed to and thus they keep one timeline as opposed to multiple and the way that these timelines are destroyed is they are pruned which means they are like reduced back to the sacred timeline and either permanently deleted or sent to the future i feel like i have to pause there they can be destroyed and then yeah they they drop these pieces of the timeline which can be as large as a ship and who knows how much bigger or like a city new york yeah they just dropped onto a plane of some kind and then a giant smoke cloud eats them um how can you send time into the future yeah well here's the thing it doesn't make sense here's the big reveal i think what i like the most is that as i'm trying to think about how this fact is into endgame it's like oh so canonically the the 2012 versions of the avengers that we saw uh presumably were sent to this time and died very painful deaths at the hands of the fart dragon what if they yeah that's the thing um what if so like they're out there fighting i guess what if they what if they beat it yeah what if they win they are the avengers they're pretty pretty powerful i can't win i can't win loki has to enchance at an ability that he never had until this show well the power was in him all along for me yeah the power uh yeah was the power of he just needed to believe he needed to believe i just love that they all that like they showed that the death is not pleasant so it's like the avengers in it are unwittingly killed a lot of people very painfully by going back in time and irresponsibly messing with things this is why you don't want to factor loki in to endgame it makes it worse makes it much worse than it already was yeah and and just for those who are curious about the whole assassination part um if you remember loki 2012 is quite the evil bastard and he's awesome he's like yeah one of the best like well loki's pretty great throughout his whole timeline in the original mcu timeline anyway um but 2012 loki is probably him at his most evil he's uh killing lots of people he's enjoying the fuck out of it he's fully embraced being a villain and it's only um you can see little slivers of something happening in that movie like some little hesitations here and there and then thor 2 um he still commits to uh trapping odin and taking his position in asgard and then um ragnarok he still betrays thor and he's still an asshole to him until right at the end where he's like you know what i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna give you a hand here because you're losing actually and then by the end you get to the beginning of infinity war and he's basically come full circle this film sorry the series needs to fast track that compare if you compare the scene where um like odin is talking to thor and to loki and i kind of love odin and ragnarok um it's cool i wish he was giving him only a time but that's just me and nancy hopkins i guess yeah uh and when you compare all of that to the fast track they put him on in this show it is a stark night and day difference between the two in terms of quality and work and effort that went into it and it makes me sad well for those who don't know how they did it um very cleverly i will say using writing prowess that just impresses me to no end loki is captured by the tv a he's super evil they sit him down and they show him the mcu uh all the movies and then he cries yeah they show them everything that happened and he breaks down and cries and basically becomes that person when what would have really happened is that episode of south park where a really successful cartman from the future tells cartman to you know pull himself up by his bootstraps and study to which cartman told him to fuck off and then he would eat whatever he wanted and do drugs whatever he wanted so that's what would probably happen loki would actually say like fuck you now i'm gonna be even more evil you can't trick me i i picture it going much worse than they thought i picture him getting frustrated infuriated by seeing himself make choices he doesn't believe he would make um yeah and uh they pay lip service to the idea that he doesn't believe it by having him say it's a lie that he goes nope it's not he goes okay i guess it wasn't a lie you know i don't really like hurting people yeah um and to be honest with you it's not even fast-tracking him to loki from infinity wars it's it's kind of a different guy still um still he has dialogue that is just like the fuck and the the best example i think or at least one of them is when all these people are running around screaming while the apocalypse is happening and i think it might even be a dr they're zooming into like this crowd of people with loki's back to the to the screen and he goes they're going to leave behind all these people you're like um that's when do you give the fuck what the hell no we can't leave the philanthropist yeah he's such a he's such a good man um mobius is likable though i could just be owen wilson though i'm just saying i think it's just owen wilson is really chill i feel like this applies to a lot of like the at richard e grant loki a lot of that was just him you know yeah just and the alligator loki was just kind of like hey look little alligator loki ain't that neat yep kind of your alligator loki show do it i yeah you know that could actually be really funny alligator alligator loki going on adventures through time i was talking about this earlier uh i was saving that for phase 12 where they run out of everything else to do yeah probably it's like they could have the show could literally have been about Richard e grads loki there's no reason that could be awesome yeah and you could even have not the loki that we have right now but the loki from 2012 who is an evil bastard teamed up with him and yeah you know evil with old cynical and depressed about like how everything always turns out those two would sound like they'd make a fucking great combo yeah give me real old show yeah column just call the show old and the gators old and the gator going on adventures through space and time yeah and you know we never actually know for sure if the alligator is a loki or not not even at the end of the show yeah that's one of the that's gonna be one of the wonderful things about it um i just feel like the best character that the mc is written in a long time is the one that is an animal that has no speaking lines um funny that i in chat i think you guys need to rewatch the mc a lot of it doesn't hold up so who'd you hear that from was it us hmm have we said that before wait have we said that before i'm pretty sure we have said before that like on average the mc was probably like a five or a four i'm pretty sure i think right now it's starting to get towards like three levels yeah you're right it's i think it's probably i'd probably say three i'm not sure if you took the whole i think it's that's true you're right there's a lot of two there's been like six shit ones in a row they're really fucking the average right now every new release sinks a little bit lower it does everything we need we need to remind for those of you who are new in chat and for those of you who don't i guess no one i have to remind myself every once in a while everything after infinity war is shit except for far from harm yeah i know you guys don't like that yeah like it's everything after it's really person people love by saying that yeah but it's true by specifying that by specifying that far from home isn't shit you'll piss a lot of people yeah but it's okay we settled this we had a seven hour long debate and it was settled that yeah it's a soldier is worse so far from home isn't great look about why would you talk about movies for seven hours because we look yeah well at least i'm sure people might be interested in clarifying like it's a different kind of bad when you look at far from home compared to and looking on division and yeah like far from home is probably below it's probably like a four um but my god do i wish we were getting fours what a glorious four it is yeah what a glorious four that's true it's at least just got a character that i like that's nice and i say since infinity war i think i make that because for all the problems infinity war has it's got really good character stuff there there's legitimately great things in infinity war and i don't know if i i can't say that about anything that's come well uh after that was just for reference i like it here that one moment with thaw and rocket is better than anything in phase four yes it legitimately is so i think they score is disastrously bad in terms of character i think that's the problem is like infinity war and far from home were like the times that i've had in the last few years where i've like seen potential going forward for the mcu with the characters and like things that they can do but now i kind of have no confidence because it's we've had four four really bad stories with four protagonists who have been assassinated and like a trend of really shitty writing both in dialogue and plotting that has been a part of all of these stories so far i don't know what's happened but like it's deteriorated yeah the quality whatever we see that a character is in a show like when falcon and the winter soldier came out and we heard zima was going to be in it we were shitting ourselves via just and before we were so afraid we don't want to see the characters we love anymore that's what the mcu's done we don't want to see the characters we love anymore because we're so afraid they'll be assassinated and ruined yeah and that's what i mean like i see these things like oh dead evo is probably going to be in far from home and like and other stuff and if you were told me that a little while ago i would be like oh yeah cool now i'm just like fuck uh-oh like shit hell oh no i think he's opening cd execute someone to save spider battles over like no as long as yeah no and that's a realistic possibility now yep it gets it gets me nervous that's all um it's just i'm really not happy with how it's going right now just sucks yeah things are looking pretty grim but a lot of people feel differently we've seen very positive coverage of everything in phase four from many different people i i like to refer not doing this to shit on him right i guess you could interpret it that way agri joe gave a lot of low key episodes 10 out of 10 uh it's because angry joe is a fool i don't even like 10 out of 10 like oh it can't get better it must be that i want to get mana steal a 9 out of 10 did he wow someone uh said what are some of the problems in infinity war just think plot stones think plot stones yeah plot and stones uh is a short answer for you but yeah there's a lot of a lot of plot issues but thank god there's some great character stuff in there and thank goodness we got a great villain the joe's reigns at 10 9 10 9 9 right now man jesus christ i know what what worry what is his justification well i don't know this is the thing like if he was going to call i'd just be like let's just keep it nice and simple it's like why do they have such shitty tech stuck in like weird alien 60s aesthetic like why would they ever have that doesn't make any sense it hinders them in significant ways do you not consider this slightly a flaw i can see him being like yeah but it's awesome oh but i mean then at that point we can't have a conversation enjoying anything rags i literally just described the great things that i enjoy in infinity man that is uh well well we're going to enjoy anything i like the alligator yeah i like richardy you know what you know what and the rags really enjoyed rick and morty the two i did i really enjoyed rick and morty i really liked that yeah i laughed here and there and i was smiling throughout that will be relevant in five hours yeah boy uh but yeah i don't know uh just just f it's like we need to open every episode with this like yes we don't like a lot of stuff all right you'll be okay you're gonna make it through you'll be fine um so anyway another pit well so you've seen a lot of coverage probably of falcon winter soldier from as we looked at into brown table and um high top and whoever else they've said it's a fucking fantastic i think high top says the best content the mcu in years um and then oh one division was praised to hell and back like after they might even get it might even get nominated for an emmy yeah you know that's so yeah a lot of people having loads of fun with phase four and seven what you went all blah blah blah media awards they mean something yes wow yeah i'm out of my mouth yeah but like an emmy like breaking bad wins emmies like that's not i now know that like my audio is like my audio is gone really fucking if i say something and everyone just drops silent i don't know why that's the reaction to me going a blue we want to give you space everyone just stops want to spill out your thoughts um thoughts but yeah so there's a channel called uh full fat videos who is very much enjoying loki apparently and said it's the antidote for bad doctor who and so without further ado i believe we can check this out is everybody in the watch together but no i gotta be i'll be right back in just a second very well more like full time videos all right by the way on the on the subject of really frustrating disappointing stuff in the mcu taskmaster oof what a waste what a waste yeah i don't think anybody likes nobody like that i don't yeah that wasn't everybody disliked that moment i don't know why did they do mandarin well kind of yeah because like task taskmaster is like an actual person who has a perspective and talks and and thinks things and fights a lot of different avengers he's like a he's he's cool and he's usually like an enduring villain as well like he appears in a lot of stuff but he's never gonna be it's done you've wasted it you had the opportunity and you did nothing with it and you blew it yeah yeah they did have it all and they blew it like it's it's it's really lame there's like all right there's only two instances of taskmaster doing taskmastery things and otherwise taskmaster design look like shit the design is like seriously it's okay i i don't like it i'm not a fan of it either i wait for what i've seen in the comic versions of it um but yeah the comic is cooler yeah for sure in a way they would you clearly try to make it you know more practical and urban than um the one it comes across as i guess in the comics but i mean i don't know i would have preferred let's check out some alternatives to get some artists going here because that one was a little lame it seemed like a skateboarder or something like an edgy skateboarder you know my my favorite part was how taskmaster was so incompetent then instead of just letting black widow fall to her death he tackled her so that then she could use his parachute and survive the fall very clever kind of just let her die that was that was but he didn't because he's stupid his his her plans are beyond our comprehension yeah what i wanted to see was like a fight where you know that he's he's coming up and she's like i don't know whatever scenario to contrive or he does i was about to say whatever you have to do to contrive it not having guns and i was like well they did that uh but they didn't really know they don't have to contrive it they just don't use them when they have them um well that's that looks way better um yeah this one looks yeah i like this one better but i picture um you know they have they have their first fight and blackwood is kind of dominating at first but you know taskmaster has got a decent amount of endurance and then just slowly picking up the fight on his end until he does the thing he does in the movie where she goes to do a patented you know legs on head flip move but then he manages to counter and flip it all the way back and perform it on hers like that was cool that's something we want to see lots of creativity and in choreography and then the only other thing that happens is he gets up the same way black widow does and then that's it and they stare they stare at each other for yeah it's really weird there are only there's only ever really small stuff like he kind of did the winter soldier knife thing when he was fighting the red guardian yeah he has cap shield he has four guys bow if we're gonna get really like surface level i guess black and the balls and black but like that's it and they only ever use them once and don't do anything creative would it it's really like uh when fringy was describing because i'd heard the name taskmaster before but i didn't know really who the character was and fringy was describing what taskmaster's powers were sounds very cool very interesting um what a shame that that has now been wasted on this film well i could have been a full on really really vengeance villain and it could have been the the final fight is there like maybe three or four avengers that are lower tier have to battle him by using completely different and mixed up moves all the time they can't like state of their own patterns you're really cool well i just like him to keep showing up i'd like to have like a taskmaster who appears and then you know when he's losing the fight he runs off or something because he wants to come back next time because he's super pragmatic he's like fuck this i want to live like i'll come back oh my god a competent villain oh you're asking a lot there buddy i know i know what we should have is the villain explain his evil plan and then the movie thinks that they did what happened in avengers and just pillaged that line for their own crappy story i love how many lines from that movie glorious purpose was pillaged for Loki they pillaged the gushing red line and they pillaged the cooperation thank you for your operation yeah yeah before black widow broker knows on the table and then that's how she beat the bill because it's the big smell the big smell is what villain uses against when she says thank you for your cooperation Loki that points turned away from her and looks frustrated because he's trying to figure out what just happened meanwhile slam onto table blood everywhere i got you now okay this oh you're retarded and the clip that's been getting around where your liner blows up that helicopter this was fun no oh she's like a rag doll yeah what the hell are they doing it's not as bad as a ll though but yeah this is a little bit of a wonder woman cameo essentially yeah not just that is all again how fucking fake everything looked in that scene they kept between the both oh the whole the scene the movie was full of strange just clearly fake places that the whole movie it's it's like we're in this just age of things are clearly fake um i think i was saying to moller and fringy earlier um it's almost like we're getting the prequel cgi again just in a different like incarnation where it's good enough to be in the movie but you're really really relying on it a whole bunch when it just doesn't look good enough um but they're trying to push that to the next stage don't worry we know the practical sets in the prequels too yes thank you for letting me know that i've never heard that before thank you so fucking much um but yeah like oh we have a scene where black wood is in the forest and it's a green screen and i'm like you're disney you can't go to the woods and just film film in the woods that's the recently wood up a communist recently showed uh fringy unforgiven and um that film doesn't have any CGI in it like natural it's great and it sounds great what a great movie unforgiven was amazing yeah i love that movie now it's one of my favorites there you go we like stuff guys go watch unforgiven i'm sure most of you have seen it looking great those shots were gorgeous like the environments but that's what i mean the real world is really pretty like there are a lot of real world places that you can go shoot that will look nice you don't need to do it all in a computer i mean obviously you need to do it in a computer if you have black widow free falling skydiving in a fight with taskmaster because she is now a superhero and not just normal person jesus christ the plot armor in this the plot armor next week is our good we gotta do a full breakdown a good wow here's your little teaser yes here's your little teaser for the plot armor we're gonna go scene by scene and we're gonna take forever explaining how wrong everything is well just but but they need to know this one that black widow she she falls down about eight stories bouncing off a bunch of ducks and then she lands on her feet and just kind of grabs her waist that kind of hurt it was it was john it was like john wick three yeah she's dead i love the fact they had her lad with her feet that was so funny it's just like yeah that surprised me yeah i when i saw it i was like oh she landed on her feet how about that wow um wow so anyway Loki the antidote for bad doctor who let us explore the mind full fat like i said i think it's the first time we covered full fat videos so let's see what's up let's see what's happening for anyone who's been unsatisfied with what was that for the past few years it's been a rough old ride it's like to refrain from being negative about it because i've always thought it was fine to have a female doctor and i didn't want to contribute to the gluttony of potential negativity oh that hasn't been the problem we have to protect the feet we have to protect the actress when they're if it was if i would have criticized it more for what it was but the actress once you was a woman well i guess he's anyone want to slip into the genre of it's bad simply because she's a woman but i mean we then don't say that in your video just don't say it don't say it jay you said that a whole bunch of times didn't you i said that's my entire video it's just me saying it's bad because she's a woman slowed down to five hours it's being told it's like ancient angry joe gave black widow an eight out of ten which doesn't surprise me at all does he have a given a movie like a one or two or three or four or five why does he call himself angry makes us angry look i think i said this before but i felt this for a very long time it's a very clever branding because he's called angry joe that's his like name online therefore you can name all of his reviews angry reviews which is something that people like to click no matter what i think that's a bit of a cheat um but it's worked out fantastically for him because you can click and be like this wasn't an angry review and it's like people yeah there's angry joe's well yeah there's an angry joe yeah second name's joe because first name's joe angriessen because you'd think you would be like angry joe reviews blah blah but he calls it angry review that's very it's very deliberate i would say yeah that's um i sometimes they're actually angry review uh and you might even put angry review of blah blah i'm fucking furious or something you know like to actually let people know i'm actually angry with this one you got delighted joe anger inducing joe of course angry joe of course classic you have one let's see we got disney joe standard let's joe sell out joe um my personal favorite perturbed Pedro i don't know mad jose that's that's not as good that's just remember i i don't like to rush to gonna be mad mexicana i don't want to i don't want to just sell out he probably does really enjoy it he probably thinks it's awesome probably being completely honest yeah but uh you know it would be fun to actually figure it out someday i like it i like it hostile oh one of the recommended videos chat that's important to because it just it sounds like you're spaying you're saying hose which isn't bad i want to make sure we clear on that yeah we are pro hose is yeah we are pro hose that's correct so anyway so let's go around with video thanks for that but i also need to be honest with myself and with you that's why i've not really commented on it since the time this child i've instead wanted to talk about the things i like so there's room for honestly the people who do like this new era to just do so as they please if there's room for them this room nothing you could always just watch the show and enjoy it and not talk about it on the internet that's well there's this you see there's this room and it's the room is titled discourse a red room when everyone was uh talking about doctor who he was gonna put his take in there but he was like i'd take up too much room not gonna do that and then jay walked in splooge the discourse room with all of the goo and now look what you've done splooge goo discourse room is covered in fucking goo now i'm sorry i don't know if the efap can handle more goo i'm okay with more goo let's do it i don't know i don't know how i feel about goo sounds messy and making a bad review or something making a negative review of something doesn't mean that um people can't enjoy it and it's that fucking attitude that makes that means that reviewers get fucking shit for make the being negative about fucking anything you will contribute next time you make a negative video and someone goes uh why can't you just let me enjoy this you've contributed to that attitude now what do you put some of these things you'll be like you take it up a room in the discourse room what have you done alternatively this is i remember like even when i was a kid i found it frustrating if you have something positive to say that's great but if you have something negative to say your opinionated your dick keep it to yourself i'm i want it to be the other way around let me hate things like please well just let me hate things you have to fight for that for a long time always it's even it's even worse in the sense of if you it's okay it's only okay to hate things if i also hate them but even if i don't like the thing you like that's okay you just get a you get much more of a pass if you like something i just never heard the variable the variable before where you have to be like you can't be speaking too much otherwise the people who want to say the opposite thing aren't going to want to speak as much you know like right ah this is not how this works somebody mentioned somebody mentioned in chat toxic positivity that's very real thing there's a twitter account called toxic positivity which was spawned because of people talking about dr who i thought you were gonna say because people talk about cuties positively or something i heard i heard that's in a relation to like like uh the girl boss kind of self-help stuff where it's like you're not allowed to like push all the negativity out of your life it's like you know what sometimes negativity is useful sometimes things suck it's okay like we should learn from those things and not just run away from them and something i don't exist something can't be good if there isn't a negative to compare to exactly it's impossible exactly and so when you establish a video you find when they established in a video you know what i loved about this was how much it made sense you're like uh oh do you know what you just said do you know do you know if i flip what you just said around oh uh oh and and i guess that's yeah like when we watch something like unforgiven it's like the reason why i like this so much is because i can judge it compared to what other stuff exists that sucks it's like oh this is amazing for x reasons y reasons yeah you can go down the list it's unique there is no good without that otherwise it's just everything's neutral there's nothing it's just all flat well and i think that they there's some people who genuinely advocate the yes that's true but don't talk about the bad stuff and then when you'd have nothing good to say about the thing let someone else say the good thing about the thing which is what he just said what you should bottled up keep your negativity bottled up that's really healthy like he literally said he had nothing good to say about seasons was it 11 and 12 and so he's gonna shut up and let other people talk about what they liked about it they have room but then what a bizarre that's how your franchises die this is what happens in the oh yeah when you're not allowed to voice why things are bad they die youtube channel what it's his youtube channel they can just not go there they can have room everywhere else well the internet's pretty big but maybe not that big jay maybe not that big and the thing is he's acting like um if you post a negative review you can't talk about how what the piece of media was trying to do could have been done well in concept and then talk about how it was fucked up in execution like it's not like you assassinate the concept by talking about how the execution fucked up so what credit is due and talk about the things that it does well as well yeah and a lot of people try to pretend like those things don't exist in the long form videos like you don't try and suggest fixes or alternatives that satisfy the standards you've said haven't been met or compared to older stuff that is good because those things are positive the whole movie is a really videos are ranched up and it's like i even give credit to the current seasons when they deserve it yeah it's like a full probably 15 minutes of me talking about the uh current seasons which you could compile which is positive i think well if you'd split them all up in two 15 minute videos and they had titles that weren't like part one two three four five rather just doctor who sees mobile bar and then tagline that suits the thing you wouldn't have any pushback the most part from twitter i would probably have people going wow so many videos probably but if if some of them if the titles were neutral like you couldn't tell necessarily what you were saying well yeah then it would be fine that would be fine people care there are entire youtube channels dedicated to talking about doctor who is there are about you know like any other big name franchise if you want to tell me this new version of doctor who isn't for me anymore you're right i think it's really bad i also think it's interesting to examine why and what media has managed to succeed in areas that is not it's with a heavy heart that i say there's more fun to be had in three episodes of lowkey than there are in two seasons of doctor fun um they're fine fun hmm yeah is that what the important bit is is it the fun maybe important part um maybe i could say so if is it good because it's fun or i had fun with richardy grant more than i did anything i've seen to do with season 11 and 12 of doctor who so maybe a lot of people a lot of people argue that this is fun this is just being like nice and light and fun so like it's a chill thing when she blows up the amazon go nice and fun yeah that's pretty chill people do think that's fun well i have fun ripping on it it's just i mean i always feel like we should probably just badge this like yeah fun is kind of a really shitty metric um even though we all would use that word a lot of the time but when you say like well you know what the difference is between these two pieces of content one of them is fun it's like oh no if the movie can be fun and both terrible and fun and amazing then the fun part doesn't seem like it's all that important just not helpful for us figuring out what you mean when you say you had fun i'm like oh well what if you're in particularly well you have to go on you can't just leave it like that if you want to just tell us something i still think it's valuable like i'd rather watch the fucking tomorrow war than uh zack's night is justice league oh yeah absolutely well so we're pretty angry if it's gonna be shit so would i but if all you're looking to understand was um why i on a personal level do that it's like uh it's fucking quicker it's silly the part pasted away that makes me abuse that like it gets over the two hours or whatever like none of those uh if i have however said the the snider cut is way worse than the tomorrow war which i can't claim um can't claim which one is to be honest with you i uh yeah you know like this is an analysis breakdown video if you just said one is more fun which you know he's probably going to go on to explain why one is fun and one is not but at that point maybe that that that qualifies kind of useless actually you know all those e-fappers they're just hating on this all he said was it was fun and look they went on a three hour tangent about what fun is and what it means well everybody uses it right it must be terrible at parties i uh i just find it interesting what the goal of saying that is in the script when you know someone out there is like what are you fucking talking about look he wasn't fun doctor who was fun so you're gonna have to explain this out there's definitely proportions of people saying that in the comments there's always gonna be that person who found the snider cut way more fun than batman and robin and i will never understand them they're they're insane i often use like i had fun with it as kind of a shorthand for i don't really have anything of substance to say about it i just kind of have an emotional i just want to bail from this conversation well i had fun well yeah if someone said what did you enjoy about tomorrow war i'd be like i don't really know i just found some it's really dumb but i just had fun with some of it funny i wonder if you could analyze what aspects of it what standards it has to meet to be fun well step one would be figuring out which scenes i enjoyed the most and then i have to look at what's in them and be like why would i have liked this and not the rest of it and why would i have liked this one i think it's poorly written you know gotta get to the answers for those questions i like us what's the what's the closest equivalent to the tomorrow war that is no fun at all um an action uh science fiction light um time travel movie it's not i feel like the time travel doesn't need to be in there yeah it's almost not a time travel movie it's almost i don't it's almost yeah i yeah loop arrow looper yeah i get looper vibes for for some of it but i feel like the monsters like are a big part level we got it was world war z maybe i could maybe i could wait for some people if the world war z is brilliant just for the scene where he stops in the middle of saving the world for a nice refreshing pepsi hey listen wasn't wasn't it a coke or am i mispronouncing it was definitely a pepsi he's in front of the fucking huge pepsi machine it's like a fully just commercial shot i love that scene so much um yeah i guess what you were gonna point out there was dirty for doing that there's like a sort of an element of what's making it fun versus not right and that is will be interesting to explore the problem really honestly is though that's so it changes for everybody gaming you're so right battle for battle for los angeles oh i remember that was yeah i remember that i feel like i sort of enjoyed it i didn't watch it so i don't know i wouldn't but it was like i feel like i sort of had some fun with it i sort of enjoyed it too yeah um i that's the thing i don't i think i enjoyed because it was so fucking stupid at every level i think i enjoyed tomorrow war a little bit more but then again i watched it with some friends yeah we're all laughing at it together yeah so it's not like a really fair comparison i feel like i would have wanted to fucking execute and when watching that if i was on my own i'd be like nah i need to talk to someone about how stupid this is otherwise i'm just wasting my time because it's so not to be clear with everybody in chat tomorrow war is one of like the worst movies i think any of us have ever seen it's fantastic after we watched it we had to ask ourselves if it was actually the dumbest movie we'd ever seen it's so bold and yeah i don't i know we say that a lot but it really might be the dumbest movie we've ever seen it's not our fault that everything keeps breaking reality recently which was what we set out as our rule well before these things came out that that would end you were one and so everything keeps fucking doing it it tomorrow war was hilariously stupid it's time travel is like i feel like children can come up with better time travel in school when they're learning about the concept yeah fascinating yeah there is an efat movies recorded for it but no guarantees on exactly when that'll come out we got lots of different projects being created in the background that's the thing with efat movies you'll just suddenly be like oh my god extraction okay oh my god this okay yeah but we did watch it and we that was pretty good um i will say we talked over lots of the talking scenes in the tomorrow war so maybe we have a lesser view of it than we would have or the more likely we skipped over parts that made even less sense and we didn't notice when the tomorrow war snider cut comes out we'll get all the important character stuff that didn't make into the final cut oh yeah the efat movies snider cut that's still on the way and that's gonna be a hulking leviathan that you guys are all gonna have to you know really enjoy it's been a while since we actually first watched it but this thing this will show you what it was like for all of us how we suffered torture we're gonna revive 42 minutes yes it is yes it is yeah man 49 seconds in whoo-hoo watching the show after the timeless children i.e i have not watched the very latest ep and i no longer have you got to admit why would you say i.e why would you say i.e why would you say ep no why is that means so i.e is it est that is um jeffrey ep didn't kill himself that's a strange do you think that's strange to say i.e no no not not the saying of it like i wouldn't have used that in terms of like he said something that like he just said something again instead of trying to rephrase it in a way that i know i guess contextually was more informative or anything like that well we can we can give it a replay in a second i was just gonna say to catch everyone up i can do this and and j could too but that's how much of a genius of dr who i am now um the the the retcon because there's gonna be people in the audience who will know this as well but lots of people who don't that uh you may have heard of dr who there's time traveling space traveling alien man who helps people out here in there the uh the history has been retcon now so the you know what j you should probably explain it because i'm going to get it wrong was it like you said ep you fell out of a pole i was in the um the doctor used to be a just normal uh normal citizen well not citizen i guess normal member of a society who left that society because they didn't like it and then travels through space and it was retconned in the latest episode that actually uh that society uh the doctor is a hugely important figure in the history of that society and that society like found the doctor in space who was not actually from that society it turns out was actually just from somewhere else um these people found the doctor uh and stole all of her like genetic power to fuel their society and that's the retcon yeah it's completely changed your understanding of doctor who as the origin point you're like what yeah it changes the origin of the the character of the doctor and of the uh the society that he comes from is yeah we still don't even know where they came from right no it's just listen to the doctor's species on the doctor who wiki now like you know they have species yeah it's like the doctor's species that is the oh now and it has an article now as well the doctor's species because they fucked it all up dude that must have been so fucking that must have been a significant moment for those people who keep control of those wikipedia's where they're like i have to go into something doctor's race or species whatever i have to i have to edit that fucking you know column whatever i i have to actually change it i never wow here i go doctor who's species like a doctor's species doctor who's species just give it a name the flame i thought you were the time oh is that that's not the species that's the society no that's all the time lords is the well time lord is a ranker of species depending on who you ask and that's what the doctor was but now the doctor fell out of a portal or whatever when they found super young not the case anymore he stopped watching the show after the timeless children i i have not watched the very latest app oh i see what you mean now in context feels like a weird place to put that yeah i see yeah that f also just that app no no fringy that's how the cool people see it feels like when somebody says pick it's like just say picture or photo if you're going to expand the effort to make a 40 minute video you you might like expand the effort to watch if like our long episode of television just to make sure that it doesn't change like any of your points or whatever perhaps perhaps the timeless children i.e i have not watched the very latest app and i no longer have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video and he's cool he's down with the hipness i feel like we're talking to a yeah with the hipness he's down with the hipness who are how do you do i love get i'll get down with the hipness yeah it's not all edgy and get down with the hipness like oh uh uh uh he said wait did you see have a video going over why it's bad did he just say that he does well it sounded like he just said that which i thought he said that he's destroying the discourse by doing the last wait he does have one that's about why it's so bad yeah the timeless child i think i guess he changed his mind have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video on that episode in short it wasn't the kind of contradictions that bothered me about the timeless child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for that does nothing but convoluted what it means to me the doctor so you're okay with wait so you just said i'm not i'm you just said i'm okay with it i'm not okay with it well yeah surely he said he didn't want to add to the discourse of anti-waman too i'd be like damn you'd veering close surely you'd worry about that when you complained about the or i'll let you be fine with it if it was a man he does this video is dr who series 12 was pretty good until it wasn't that's i've seen that and i recommended i've not watched it though pretty good until it wasn't i'm gonna be honest yeah after watching your video i don't know where the pretty good part was i mean there was that one episode wasn't it yeah but that was right near the end so yeah it was pretty bad until it was that it was bad yeah it was a slight bump and then you know it was like you know how you have a speed bump that was a quality bump um and then it was right back to a normal business not watch the very latest ep and i no longer have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video on it from last year in short it wasn't the canon contradictions that bothered me about the timeless child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for there's nothing but so he really values one canon over another canon and the bus seemed kind of important he was gonna say i thought you were kind of gunning for the fact that he said it's not canon contradictions i care about it's the fact that you've retconned the doctor's origin it's like so you mean yeah he doesn't care that it contradicts things he cares like what the new thing is and that it's worse than the old thing i feel like i'm fine with that as a statement i don't know if it isn't isn't the frustration with a retcon that it's contradicting what was yeah a retcon is violating i feel like i feel like you can you can be like this contradicts like this contradicts stuff or you can just be like this is a worse idea than what we had before i feel like those are both valid criticisms sure but i don't think i don't i don't get that at all from what he said let me um let me clarify that then so if doctor who from the get go was doc the doctor explains himself in like series one or whatever that i am incredibly special on my planet i don't even know how i got there and they all for some reason that just comes out and so that was the set history for the doctor the whole time this wouldn't have bothered him right yeah i guess in which case uh could it then be argued that he's like you're changing what i thought it was to a different thing and i don't like the different thing i want you to go back could categorizing that as a contradiction when i feel like i feel like i know what he meant and i'm fine with what i'm pretty sure he meant he just doesn't well couldn't you cat it because like you know when you contradict anything in law a lot of people i think would be like i don't really care that you said lightsabers have you know a 10 000 year battery and they eventually run out because that that almost feels like a contradicts something but whatever it's it's fine but you know contradicting like a hyperspace ramming for example it's like it's not it's never usually a contradiction on its own it's usually like what it means contextually or how it fucks everything or doesn't um so he says like i think that's what at least what rags were saying like it's like he's choosing what kinds of contradictions fuck him over or not and it's usually just preferences then yeah which i'm i'm okay within theory not all canon is equal you know um you know in a star trek sequel if they want to replace all the the the buttons and knobs of the original series with something a bit more believable is like technically that breaks canon but i'm fine with it you know uh you know but that was that would be a discussion i know it's it's not really something he's probably going to get into no i i the fact you just brought that up i feel like they'd be like wow why are you even talking about that for example aliens is set in the future but the technology is so low grade compared to what it would be if they were to remake it um or you know like the the screens i forget what they're called um but they just have like a black i think they'd get in a lot of trouble if they uh change the aesthetic of an aliens movie like that if if we had a direct sequel to alien well i was about to say prometheus is a direct prequel right um and covenant and the technology in that is fucking far away one of the things i'd change about those movies if i had to uh remake them was to stick with that aliens aesthetic that was one of the things that people celebrate and including me about um alien isolation they had they kept all of the old tech from the yeah it looked great it's really cool it's got an awesome look to it and i mean i can believe it like i can believe that you know it's it's not like so far-fetched that it would break my immersion that you would have it's not like the tv a stuff you know where it's such a huge leap um and it's such a weird mishmash but uh on this child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for that does nothing but convoluted what it means to be a doctor and the notion that they became great by helping out passing through learning that it was their actions not like godly extra dimensional powers that made them the beloved character we know them to be i can agree with all that i can absolutely agree with that i don't even really i just in general i think that's a good that's a good move yeah we typically don't like it um for a lot of car especially for the retcon but a lot of people get tired of it in like video games where it's like you i hate chosen ones yeah you're the one to do all of the things i hate on the thing is the fact that she's a chosen one hasn't had any impact on the story at all whatsoever yet so it's like this argument holds up in theory but it's like no point has it um has it actually been like i'm special therefore that's been relevant yeah therefore x it's literally just been like i'm special i know this now anyway like that's that's the whole story um the only therefore x is that therefore someone else is angry about how special i am well in that case do you think that it is actually the fact that it's a contradiction and not what it means that annoys him um i think i think that people look at this as the um ultimately i i think the doctors i feel i feel like people are too harsh on um on it conceptually um and it's more in its execution that it fucks up um because conceptually i mean i still hate it conceptually like i do not like the idea of her being this special person but um inherently her being a special birth doesn't take away from the fact that she's special also because of her actions it's just kind of blank does it have an implication that she was able to do all of the things that she did no no it never implies that she did because it never implies that she did what she did because she was special yeah because there's a lot of people that have the powers that the doctor has and chooses not to do what the doctor does so you can definitely make that argument yeah it's just a very vestigial addition to the friend well yeah and you and you wonder where they're gonna go with it in future now what they're gonna use what we're gonna use about this to do something else and i guess yeah will that be fuel for her able to do something that she wouldn't have otherwise been able to do it's not it doesn't actually take away from any of the existing achievements it's more so look she's super special and i'm like okay okay i'm sick of super special characters please stop yeah can we have some normal people it's like we've had a character who's been fine not being super special for like 50 years can we just keep the not super special please i was simply done i didn't watch revolution of the daleks i don't care i got that episode man whoa i like the conga line of daleks just we've a lot of us here have watched that uh yeah rags your first doctor who episode i think i was born new earth and then i saw this that's what i was saying meanwhile rags has been showed like some of the greater episodes i saw jay's video and jay's video yeah i feel like i'm an expert mm-hmm god that episode though don't need captain jackson wheeled out in a lame effort to bait me and still giving a shit the trailers did nothing to dissuade me from the fact that it was going to be just as thoroughly mediocre as the rest of the era the reviews wow hater you know what i mean wow see it and he was hating on it he called it mediocre that i mean that's a that's a common interest that's a common these days especially came out i saw some twitter chatter and it turned out it was fine it sounded fine oh just fine oh not great it's very bad as the time as children but nothing to make me get out of my chair i've been calling it fine so like yeah like you can't blame him for this take if he if he looks at all the people on twitter have been saying and goes yeah you know it was fine i guess everyone's saying it was fine it shouldn't surprise me but it does the people would call that episode fine but okay i guess because it really felt like um regurgitated dr who not like a creative episode um regurgit yeah regurgit who yes well i mean not an original element in it really not really no um doctor threw up the doctor is through dr poo no you can't do that one no one's ever made that joke before dr who who that joke isn't dr new no well didn't she destroy the old TARDIS as well yeah a sentient creature she uses as a trap and blows it up they do not remember that when they do stuff like that i don't think they don't make them the nearest i wonder if it's they don't remember or if they just don't care and they hope the audience doesn't think about it they don't know to not care if you interview them about it they're like it was a worthy sacrifice and then someone looks at them is like is that was that is that oh yeah yes i feel like i feel like if that's the case the discussion should be taking place about such a discussion like before or after would be fine you know it's like should we do it should we do it this way before or like man it sucks that we had to do it like that afterwards first like five minutes of the next episode they're like oh my god i'm so sad we did that oh so what are you telling me that the writers who made it so that the first gallifrey and space traveler ended up exploring other galaxies didn't think through the implications of the TARDIS as being sentient can we wait to clarify for people in chat um she destroyed an old TARDIS question mark uh she destroyed a new well it was a newer TARDIS actually she killed the baby just one that she found uh oh she just found it you know yeah damn a baby TARDIS she murdered a baby mom mom mom she took a bunch of daleks though and i'm sure they won't return that is pretty cool i had fun is there a counter for that how many times the daleks have returned we have to see they have to contract right there was part of um that was part of my video i cut it out um like they've been they've been ultimately and completely defeated several times you can then come back no way you know how many times that happened in the classic series one bow three times once damn well yeah because the first time you'd think oh they've been totally and utterly defeated that means they can't come back kind of by definition no like yeah you know when you're writing a series and you're like when you're writing a series and you're like seven years into it you think you're probably like you're going to assume that you're at least you know more than halfway through right maybe i feel like if i was writing season seven of a show i'd be thinking okay we probably want to start wrapping things up now like at least yeah like a lot of shows like we don't like we still have stuff that we can do with the show but we should like start wrapping up some of the initial plot lines we introduced so like those those dalek guys we could have them being ultimately defeated right yeah like we could we don't have to hold on to all of that old stuff we we can we could actually try some new things and we don't have to ruin the old the thing is they were introducing some new villains that were becoming really popular and successful and they're like oh we can have the daleks be completely defeated and then we can bring out the cybermen is like their replacements and that's what they did for a while kind of just um someone in chat said moeller apparently black widow was written from start to finish in 11 days i can believe that i am not shocked i can believe i am shocked it took them that long to write that that's that is satanic as far as i'm concerned if they hired me to write black when they said i had 11 days i'd be like i can't do that in 11 days the script of black widow i think they could have read it wrote in an afternoon maybe they didn't write at all it was just candid everyone's on set and going you know what this is happening now i see the script and oh no no i gotta protect the script because of leakers no one else can see the script but me i'll just write down individually what you have to say it took him a long time because he didn't actually have a script he's making up as he went along the interesting thing about the daleks is that they're kind of in this intellectual property hell where the bvc has to use them every single season or they can never use them again ever um because um the daleks are technically owned by a different estate um so they had to get a contract this isn't this isn't officially confirmed by the way oh is it not i'm fairly sure this is just this is um very popular speculation but i don't think it's trying to make sense of it they have to bring the daleks back okay well that's the thing um it's it was being speculated about for a while that they contractually had to appear every year or they'd lose the rights uh and then after like it started being speculated about there were a lot of like um years when they didn't like have a story with them they had like a weird out of the blue cameo anyway so it's like it seems very oh they just needed their their yearly appearance so they didn't lose the rights like if you if you watch it knowing with that information it's like oh that's why that scene is there you know yeah but they do tend to show up call a fan for stick i don't what what does fan for stick do oh the the movie that they had to make to keep the rights to fantastic oh yeah yeah yeah oh the 1994 fantastic four film that that's a movie it's better than fan for stick probably is probably uh other in my living room the one closest to the tv look if this wasn't dr who and i'd sat through two seasons and then finished with the timeless children an episode that i just hated on so many levels i would have given up so i don't see why just because it's dr who that i have some blind loyalty to it and i should keep in i should keep watching something that i don't enjoy right i'm gonna take if you want to yeah i agree sure perfectly fine but at the same token i should be allowed to keep watching it because i'm invested in where it came from and be frustrated by taking it both of those are totally valid absolutely yeah yeah i've taken the decision to just step away from it if other people enjoy series 13 they can but it's not for me anymore if you like the direction that showrunner christ chibbner was taken and the creative decisions behind season 11 and 12 so he's still he's still saying it's not for me anymore not it's bad you know it's i it really minor little thing like that but it's welcome to come at criticism from that philosophy yeah sure i just that's how we you know it's it's the little tiny things um i just feel like it's a bit of a shield from like i'm not saying it's bad i'm just saying it's not for me and then his head is like it is bad though that's why it's not for me um just a little thank you well he's saying it's not for me and i think it's bad he's never declared it to be bad he keeps saying like you know it's it's a step it's a step i think it's bad it's bad in my opinion but yeah we're we're getting there one day he will he will be this is a perfectly valid philosophy to come at criticism from you don't need to you don't need to declare everything um i want him to jam on coax him out with some cheese and he's gonna eat it and then you'll say okay fine i think it's bad and i'll be like full fat cheat well good i wish i could enjoy it but for anyone like mine who is desperately searching for an alternative to scratch that itch i think low key is the perfect antidote oh no here we go i don't know what he's gonna say but yeah here we go it's bizarre from someone who showed a lot of concern for rewriting character backstories to have them say that low key is the antidote for that oh god you know that he's gonna say that that seems excellent this is the thing is we got 40 minutes and this is coverage of episodes one through possibly four or five i'm not sure if he's covering five in this one i'd have to check the dates is that gonna get copyrighted i don't know um we're probably okay low key is in many ways doing exactly what doctor who should be doing no no no no it's supposedly celebrated for has not really gone as far as low key seems willing to go above all else it reminds me of to necessarily go far maybe going far is really really bad maybe you shouldn't go far for the sake of going far we're gonna have to see you should go good exactly what he means by this i don't know what he means exactly what he celebrated for has not really gone as far as low key seems willing to go above all else it reminds me of good doctor who not because of all the comparisons i'm about to go into but merely because it puts story first put story first it puts quirk and production value before anything else it's sure as hell isn't story if something has a story the story is the unrelated as far as i'm considered if you said it puts plot character theme or world first i don't know what you mean but when you say put story first i mean it is a story they're all stories and we just appreciate that he says that with the screen cap of this episode literally uh like i assume when someone says it puts story first i assume they mean stuff like it puts story before like setting up other stuff or brand tie-ins or whatever you know but i don't know it's a very vague thing to say i guess we'll find and tie-ins like he doesn't run into the like like we'll be in the next show or i feel like if people said it doesn't uh uh fucking avengers age of ultron doesn't put story first it puts setting up other movies first i don't understand what they meant you know yeah um well let's see what he qualifies it as i guess time and effort has been put into this and surprisingly affecting series unless they do a bomb show as ridiculous as the notion that the doctor is regeneration ground zero i'm sorry what episode what is the bomb show to you then the bomb shell is ridiculous that i feel like look you've gone further than this like they've the bomb yeah it's a whole universe nobody makes any choices unless they're approved by a giant a person controlling a space boss that eats time like i feel like we're getting further and further along at the absurd yeah i feel like when you recontextualize the entirety of the cosmos you've created you're you're done it's over i feel like there's a wreck on there yeah i don't know but yeah but how can you be okay with that and not well you think he even recognizes that's what it is even a blatant as it is do you think he even like his brain registered that's what they did what's interesting to me is that you can consequentially prove it's much more of a flaw for Loki than it is for doctor who because when you try and spot the problem in doctor who more so a preference right now of like i don't like that that's doctor who's origin the noise me and it's frustrating but like does it directly contradict anything that was stated in stone there's probably a couple of details here in there but Loki oh hang on sorry yeah it contradicts fucking plenty okay weirdly there are a couple of supporting references but my favorite contradiction is that it now means that canonically a previous relationship in the show has been turned into incest oh that that's um yeah i remember you mentioned i can explain that if you like why why not i mean i mean did they know it was incest um well that's a really fucking funny scene actually now you come to mention it so okay so the doctor gets the doctor gets like married he has a wife in in an arc in the show and his wife has like the the ability of regeneration which is the region like you know the the one of the powers that the time lords have his wife can regenerate he can regenerate and that's chill because you know regeneration is just an ability that you can develop right and canonically in that in that season it's implied that she developed regeneration by exposure to time travel right that's the that's the explanation that they are the time board yeah um so and that's that's we ran with that we were happy with that for a few years but um in the newest season it's made oh by the way just just a quick quick quick quick extra detail there the doctor also like um was implied to like have sort of like a will they well the doctor had like sort of a will they won't they think with this character's mother for a while it's kind of weird don't don't question it um so the doctor had been like suggested to maybe be romantically involved with the character's mother but then wasn't according to the show and then he marries this character's daughter it's a bit less creepy than it sounds but still a bit creepy right uh hey i always have a plan b that's what i said yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean that's no that's a solid strategy because you know whenever you're gonna date someone you know look at their mom because she's gonna end up looking sort of like that you know reuse down the road so you want to do a little you want to play the long game you want to make sure you're really getting into something in the retcon it's in the retcon it's explicitly stated that regeneration can only be a genetic trait which means the the only way that this character could have got regeneration is if they're the uh they're the descendant of a time lord and the only time lord around at this time was the doctor and the doctor also had a will they won't they think on screen with this character's mother before she was born so i mean very clear like implication of that is that um is that she is his daughter but then my favorite part is that when um the scene when he finds out that um that his wife is the daughter of her mother because like that relationship isn't known to him like the mother daughter relationship isn't known to him for ages um when he finds out um there's loads of dialogue in that scene that it can be reinterpreted when you know that like it can really be reinterpreted when with uh when you're interpreting this as not he's found out that this is his friend's daughter he's found out that this is his daughter he says stuff like oh oh oh but we uh didn't we um oh and then she's like yeah we did and and then he's like that's really weird but he's okay with it maybe that's uh maybe i mean hey was legosis said in chat keeping it in the family yeah we home spaced gamma kind of like fast and furious yeah like the pharaohs do doctor who old boy yeah there are a few there are a few contradictions technically that isn't a contradiction yeah i was about to say that's actually not a contradiction that's just uh squeamish i mean i guess i guess i feel like the doctor wouldn't be okay with incest as a character like i don't feel like he is a character would you incest so i feel like that's the contradiction maybe why is that i'm gary and maybe you underestimate the doctor i don't know yeah maybe the doctor just fucking loves it that's his favorite kind of sex as the incestual variety of uh sex that he has with his family well regardless i still think that loki has generated an enormous crazy level of contradiction compared to this um but he still thinks that this is way worse like all right oh my goodness so i was just thinking about loki that i thought you were about to continue the incest conversation when you said that loki developed a huge interest in himself so yes loki has developed a huge amount of incest compared to is it incest to sleep with the alternate dimension female vision of yourself no well genetically that would be a sisterly relationship well it depends how alternate dimensions work well yeah i suppose if she has like your genes in a sense from different parents i assume it would of incest but you would have the genetic maybe yeah there's a genetic part which is yeah so in a you know in a sense yes and in a sense no i depends how this depends how um alternate dimension genetics works for reference uh jay this this person this girl he knows her for i want to say less than a day i'm not even 100 sure and then he's told that she's dead when they get separated and he like starts to tear up and then uh turns out they're trolling him and they go no she's not dead and he goes oh it's like um i'm gonna take my dick in that loki's like does he fucker he's suddenly become like the most sentimental character in the mcu it's just like i don't remember yeah he really cares about other people he's quite the philanthropist yeah i mean you want a pattern on the head of you okay you know it's a lie we tell us no we don't want to fuck our sisters charoting his incest yes i don't have the walver pineapples weapon x and are being so alien they're not even from gallifrey anymore okay then i don't think loki is going to drop the ball well i really don't see oh wait he did he dropped the ball wait he had started to drop the ball when he had he's gonna like that i thumb yeah he dropped the ball yeah um and i i i feel like loki's dropped the ball every single episode but okay all right let's see how he perceives the episodes if you like marvel doctor who video analysis what you just like being told what to do oh no i thought it was gonna be a dad too this is still really crazy though it's like okay could you leave this for the end of the video if you need this part in there like don't do this in like three minutes in well it's funny he's like if you like marvel doctor who obi one kenobi obi obis obis son who stays on the internet obi two kenobi saying if you like marvel doctor who video analysis and being told what to do then subscribe i just feel like man it's not really a good salya channel there's a lot of people doing that he looks like cj i could see it i can kind of see it i think all of that subscribe to me yeah jade is all that stuff we do that on e-fab now we're doing video analysis marvel and doctor who are you doing why would you put the hey subscribe like you haven't done anything yet because for you the statistically works uh which is by the way the reason statistically works that's why people do it and it's like that's a shitty reason to fight that's a crap reason to do anything like there's a lot of things that you could do that will statistically make it work likely for people what i'm saying is like there's a lot of things you could do that will maximize your utility that you don't do because you don't like it this this is i lots i'm pretty ambivalent on the idea of telling people to subscribe um because there are people including myself who just flat out don't even just like think to do it a lot of the times because i i generally will watch videos based on my recommendations because i go and kind of cycles and on youtube as to what i watch and then i will like rediscover youtubers that i used to watch and just fell away from so if they say hey you should subscribe i'm like oh yeah that's right yeah just subscribe and get up to you because that's just how i'm a little frustrated actually right now because it's like it's not about whether or not not that you rags a chat it's not about whether or not it's it's gonna get you more viewers it's a matter of like does this not harm your video you're making a point and then halfway through you're like oh by the way subscribe to my channel if you like marvel and i feel like it's harmless if you say it for like three seconds and yeah this is all an execution i find it um off-putting um but that's just gonna be really subjective at that point i don't i don't like it the way it's done here um however there are there are certainly ways to do it then like i i only like to do it if i can make a joke out of it um and then yeah that's the thing with the way to do it yeah that's one good way to do it um way further on the video seems better wait until you made a point well yeah these barely yeah in between points not interrupting your own point to do it which by the way is indicative of the reasoning being that you tell him to subscribe once you feel you've offered something worthwhile rather than my introduction now subscribes like that's weird but okay um and then of course the execution of it this one this one's awkward to me as well because of the drastic audio quality change um yeah that's another part of it it's a big execution of the thing aspect um i think it's so much comes down to how do you do it this almost feels like i should remind myself it like the video was done and then he decided to put this in it has that feel to it yeah instead of it being yeah a message that was designed to be where it was supposed to be cool if you integrated it uh better and put more effort in i guess that would be the yes absolutely but i'm fine with it i'm in like a delve note in a long time oh if you tell me for digital art and video edits then head on over to instagram all right so it wasn't three seconds oh here we go why is this here i was gonna say why wouldn't this be at the end it makes way more sense for this hey it's only three seconds into or even in the middle because it's 40 minutes so you know if someone gets through 20 minutes of a video i mean you've clearly they're clearly interested if you've had them in for that long that's the those would be the people who would subscribe anyway you know also i guess what is this lightsaber is a doctor who that that never happened that ought to lie that's the that's actually a function of the sonic screwdriver j can you confirm true sonic light i told you i watched j's video i'm a doctor who expert wow i feel like i i i know the things very well all just looks like basically any time when you get creative dude you got the music on way too loud if you're gonna have this shitty audio quality i'm sorry yeah i'm very hesitant to put music and a lot of my stuff and what i do it's i listen to it many times to make sure it's quiet it feels like the music is more so balanced for his other portions of the video rather than this part and so yeah he didn't adjust it over it follow my thoughts by going directly inside my brain or if you want to make that one man he's still going ad for his twitter or something most the idiotic doctor who star was cross out how did you predict there was an ad for twitter have you seen this before twitter ads for videos have you on stock and twitter hey i have a question so if you own stock in twitter and you make an ad for your twitter is that legally a conflict of interest and you have to disclose that to the public why wait sorry what if you if you own stock in twitter and you do an ad yeah so my stupid question was if you own twitter well and you do an ad for your twitter in your video without disclosing uh that you have stock in the company you're promoting is that is that something that you have to disclose legally no the the illegal part would be if you didn't disclose that it was a paid sponsorship like you're allowed to and in fact depending on your position in the company you're advancing the interests of the company so like it's why would there be an issue with that i don't i don't know i'm just asking it asking questions just asking questions here on e-fap it's not a conflict of interest because it's in in favor of your interest well it's it sounds like a good time company and that's all it's it's a bit complicated what about like um the csco loto stuff how does that compare all right well the so that one was it was a lot of things from what i remember because it was like they didn't they didn't tell people that they were behind the company i'm not sure how relevant i think a lot of the issues with the csco loto was to do with the actual infrastructure of that website itself and like that there were a lot of kids using it i can't remember exactly um yeah that's right um i i guess i'm what what would be the conflict of interest rives in like promoting something that you own stock in would it be the idea that like nothing i don't i don't think i would say that i don't know you could say that there might be an ethical well let's put it this way i would say that there might be an ethical like for instance like when people do stock picks and they don't tell people um i own this stock it's like well there is a conflict there you might not be giving really sound advice because you own that and you want it to go up which is just like isn't that that's more something recently with um the phase clan people they were like their thing was that they promoted a crypto coin something like save the kids and they owned a bunch of it yeah no they they owned a bunch of it before it was publicly accessible and as soon as it became publicly accessible a few of them just like completely unloaded their position onto the people who bought into it and then it crashed so they got loads of money yeah um but the problem is the crypto is kind of unregulated so if you did that in the stock market you'd probably get in trouble for that but it's crypto so they're probably fine it's so disgusting save the kids like fuck you you just go really far down the totem pole at that point to make money yeah that's uh it should be called say i think what they should have called it is save steve jobs i think because the first time i'd heard any of it was um when they there was a tweet that someone had retweeted where it was just like the members of phase clan that have done this have nothing to do with phase clan as a whole and they are going to be removed now it was just like well the reason why it was uh there's a youtuber called coffee zilla who covers a lot of these things and that was where i found out a lot of the information on it does a lot of stuff related so you remind you to subscribe to his uh channel not that i have three minutes in much i don't certainly not four four that's four we're at 355 that's four we're four minutes in well the ad didn't start at 355 yeah i'm a little so in chat somebody's mentioned like oh full fat videos has more subscribers than me in reference to the idea of putting in like these ads i'm not sure like what do you is i doubt that the difference i doubt the subscriber uh discrepancy between the two is because fringy doesn't say hey subscribe in an obnoxious out-of-place early moment in the video but is this i don't do that i've got more subscribers than fringy i don't do that and i have more subscribers than fringy i don't do that i don't wondering is like is this is this the way that it operates do the thing that will maximally advance like your position in terms of popularity and money i suppose uh let's put it this way the simplest way possible because i think chat will understand then if it was proven like statistically that it works that every 10 minutes you say please subscribe to my channel you can get this then it takes like a good 30 seconds if that was provably like the best way to do it would you still have this attitude of like yes the best way to do it so yeah it's the best way or would you be like fucking hell it's annoying and i wish people would stop doing it um mr who's the boss has an interesting gimmick for it where every time he um i wouldn't do it mauler i'll answer your question thank you yes he has an interesting gimmick where he basically finds a new synonym for amazing that's kind of related to the video so if he's i don't know covering um uh i can't think of an example uh but he's covering so he finds uh so subscribe sub to the channel would be splendid or a sub to the channel would be uh stupendous and it would be a synonym on the word great but it's like relevant to the video and the gimmick there is kind of what word is he going to use this video so it's a way of not taking the audience out as much um but um yeah but what full fat is doing here is just slamming the video to a screeching halt to promote everything that has his name on it and it's just not working all right then so yeah uh that was fun the moral of the story is like what why why would you cut like a 30 second portion of your video this is gonna hurt though like rewatch value and it's probably gonna age the video very poorly and awful just some extra clicks others tell people to subscribe doesn't age poorly does it like people have been doing that since well but like oh hey go to all of these other social media accounts to follow me there true um obviously if they said something like go to what's what are some examples of like the dead twitters if you did like my space you know like hey follow me on or parlor or like mines or whatever you know like it's vine follow my vine follow my vine yeah there are there are new ones now right again i know that my space is making a comeback uh i forget the names of them getter is one of them right that's one of the new ones i yes maybe yeah there's another one as well i forgot what the name is but yeah saying track of all these weird twitters well i was gonna say it's just funny like follow me on twitter is technically so far not gonna age video probably unless you get banned from twitter ah yeah true and then you're like wow he's never gonna count what do you say if you have a video yeah if you make a video and you say hey follow me on twitter and then you get banned from twitter for stupid reasons and people are going oh i can't find your twitter and is yeah that might age well i guess it's just stuff like you know click the notification bell it's not that notification bell might well disappear in the future and then from then on when people watch those videos it's like oh right this is like from 2015 yeah i wouldn't worry too much about that though people like 10 year old click above the video subscribe yeah exactly and it's just a little awkward i'm not sure if it's worth it to like say it's awkward i almost kind of it's like a what's that jay you're all floopy people know how time works like yeah i feel like they do like people say like uh click the annotation is it like oh annotations aren't on youtube anymore yeah it's like how people say hang up the phone you can still well if the button it you know it's hang up on the actual mobile right like it says hang up on it when you press it and the the new kids will just interpret that's what that is referring to so it would age just fine in a sense um i just wanted to show you that what people call efat perpetually negative and contrarians recognize they spent the last 10 minutes whining about a like and subscribe portion sorry i think we had an interesting conversation and i'd have it again it's just funny to me it's like discussing the idea of doing it is considered whining i was like i'm sorry that you're so upset so sorry i'm sorry that okay like i'm sorry that you consider this to be whining yeah i feel bad for you i guess i don't know i think we've been closer to neutral on the subject honestly well yeah i mean we've weighed off the pros and cons that we're fine with it it's all about the execution yeah so yeah i think uh and i found a baby do you think that what makes a low key a low key i'm the monster parents tell their children about at night is the fact that we're destined to lose we may walk off sometimes painfully i'm gonna pause just in case i worry about poppy tisms yeah here maybe don't die you literally do and but it's fine you know yeah i've seen people bring up by the way in relation to the uh the pruning if it has a percentage chance of sending them to the end of time rather than killing them i guess you should use the other end of the stick does it actually kill yeah you just grabbing them works really maybe it's just about like messy cleanup and yeah yeah stuff like that i could see it happening for like ease of access you know one of the things i was thinking about we'll bring this up when we break down a low key i guess but you remember when low key gets blooped in front of uh girl low key silvi yeah i felt nothing if she had if she'd simply hit him and then walked forward one step she'd get both of them remember how long it takes for to realize what's even happening she watches him vaporize fully and then she's like wow you bitch yeah she just walked forward boom double kill well it's like a mace window thing there's a lot of times where people could just kill people but they just don't low keys don't die they get melted well remember the remember they said richardy grant low key escaped because he did the correct illusion he managed to age from current low key all the way up to richardy grant low key until they they captured him or we're supposed to believe they got him straight away because he said he flowed through space for like ages or whatever right i think it's when he decided to leave the planet he settled on that's when they got here but wasn't yeah that's when he decided yeah that's when he got melted decided to leave yeah it wasn't yeah it wasn't when he decided to not use knives which i would think would cause huge tangents in the timeline because that's like a pretty fundamental thing is it not because his whole thing is my magic is so powerful because i didn't rely on daggers and blades yeah loki kills a shit ton of people would know so if he's not using knives at all then uh i feel like that's gonna create some branching timelines the music i can't yeah tumblr dream now there's a ton of inspirations present in loki most notably douglas adams and i think a little bit of neil gayman too the show's riffing on a ton of shows and voices that already have wrote his or have been closely involved with it so i'm not saying the entire pitch was just make it dr who write a michael wall i'm gonna become i'm just gonna be completely honest with you i didn't even think about the fact that it was like dr who and i've seen a lot of dr who um mainly because it's just so fucking underbaked like when they go anyway yeah i never thought when i weigh rick and morty is something that i would weigh quicker associate with dr who i'm like oh i can see how that works yeah but um yeah loki is like such a mishmash of what we're actually up to every episode you don't really know what's gonna happen there's not like a loki like if every episode was loki and mobius go to a particular time and they solve a problem i could i could see it but that's not really what happens like not even close there's like one time they do that and then the storyline changes again it's like mandalorian the the whole concept that is super interesting and fun is just not at all the one that we got and if we were to say well there's time travel and space travel i'd be like that's not something dr who owns i could see why you might connect it but like it's got to be more than that surely yeah you know loki isn't about like oh we're going on fun adventures in different timelines and different planets it's it's pretty like tame as far as like the actual destinations i can turn for the most part in a way the saddest part about it loki has plenty of things to be able to do and it's really lame with what it does aldrin came from rick and morty so again it's easy to see why this show could turn out a little who flavored without it ever being the true blueprint at the same time i think the fact that this show is making full use of one of the most popular doc 2 fancasts by making said actors skew closer to the doctor's archetypal personality it's a bit of a big coincidence that's archetypal personality of was about to say that's already a problem the fact that he's just established they essentially took loki and molded him into a more like doctor character loki and the doctor are not even fucking close yeah that's that seems bizarre to me based on what i understood in a sense i agree with him that they did that like loki is so much more eccentric and caring and it's just like this is a lot closer now because they just decided to change him yeah which is a problem you can't just yeah like the whole reason i'm invested in this character is not because he's a different character doesn't even make any fucking sense yeah i watched him get melted and i felt nothing well i'll tell you what yeah even if i did really really care i wouldn't have felt anything so it's like this is his show he's gonna have been teleported yeah he's gonna come back there's an aspect to marvel were exceptionally smart to steal loki in this direction no houston has been a fan cost for years and i think if this had come out in 2013 tumblr i mean we're talking if we're talking about disney smart financially disney smart like in terms of writing a show people will like sure in terms of quality and consistency with our own universe it's a horrific disaster actually um from a company perspective yeah brilliant people will lap up anything and they know it i've written something like that recently and something i'm working on that um it's like well they've made great choices financially in my own head i'm like hmm i guess like you know if it was like really fucking good would they be making more and at that point how do you judge whether or not it's a good financial decision is it just whether or not they made profit or whether or not they made a significant profit or of what you thought was possible and how high they sort of scored is of course rise the skywalker or someone that was a great financial decision could be like it could have been way better than that yeah we can't we can't look at alternate versions of reality where they made a different film and see how well it did exactly um but at the same time if ever they make a profit do we just describe that as a great financial choice or was it only a decent financial choice we definitely don't describe it like that because companies will absolutely consider opportunity cost could we have made more money doing something else that's just a part of make being a business especially like disney we're all pretty sure that if the sequel trilogy had been well written it would have made more money well i think the big thing is yeah like rise of skywalker making a billion dollars that probably wasn't considered a success by disney because it would have made a lot more money so yeah i made two billion rise of skywalker we have that that's like huge drop off it's an unprecedented drop off for star wars let's see uh trustees exactly it's not a matter of simply making a lot of money it's also could i made more money or you know like it's the reason why like blumhouse movies it's like none of them make a whole lot of money but they make a hell of a lot of profit for how little they cost so they're incredibly successful films despite the fact that none of them made as much money as like you know the rise of skywalker but they didn't cost much either and they were quick to make so that's preferable so it's complicated someone just referenced um solo bombing and stuff and it's like yeah if solo would made an extra 200 000 if someone said that was successful financial it should be like that really doesn't capture it does it no it absolutely wouldn't yeah would have literally made massive chunks of icon evens would have been strewn all across the internet it's also why i think in a metatextual way it's neat that this takes place directly after the avengers in 2012 could you imagine the one two punch the i'm so duns that would have come out of tumblr had hiddleston got on that gig the following year that would have been a what is the relevant so he's saying one of the things that's kind of cool but this is the this tumblr language tom has been hired as a character that's kind of like doctor who which is something tumblr really wanted for doctor who for him to be hired to play the doctor and that's why this oh this has got an appeal i don't know why he's bringing this up but like is it valid as a point it's like yeah people just like tom hiddleston anyway they don't i don't think it mattered whether or not he was playing a doctor like character people love Loki there's a reason why he kept popping back up he didn't stop coming back because people fucking love him mm-hmm oh that's a good example if you if you did a shill for hey follow me on tumblr that would have aged a video like shit people like whoa what the fuck was this made yeah exactly and is it worth it be able to i mean i you know i if he would have said speaking to tumblr you know follow me or if he had a little pop up that said follow me in tumblr i don't have blame over that it's not a you know oh you don't blame him it's just also that's way less interesting but you know like those little animations that come up sometimes people's videos like hit the subscribe button just a little finger clicking it and little click sounds like those are mostly fine with me it's just when you harsh cut totally on a different environment and then they awkwardly like sell their twitter you just like okay hocking their yeah Houston got on that gig the following year that would have been a splinter even the tva you wouldn't be able to handle and the thing is okay it doesn't suck as the actual doctor because he would be the kind of doctor we've already had that's like oh they would have gone back in time before it happened i don't think you should ever say that that we wouldn't want to hire this actor because we've had a person like that before it's like that's not how that works um tom hiddleston look into characters get before you can't hire anyone even somewhat approaching something like them i just you know any great actor can play many different doctors right yeah tom hiddleston being the doctor i feel like there's plenty of potential that he could be great i don't know what he would exactly bring is yeah acting's acting like you're not acting yeah it was all over the idea of him and benedict cumberbatch cumberbatch is basically already earth doctor who or more accurately the doctor is space sherlock by fashioning like what oh my brain what um um no they're incredibly different yeah sherlock and doctor who on you i'm trying to figure out how he thinks that makes sense why i don't even know where to begin like sherlock homes and doctor who are practically the same characters just one is set in earth and one is set in space i feel like you just established that doctor who has many variations and they are not the same is it is it like sherlock's associate doctor who what like one of the doctors defining traits is empathy and one of sherlock's defining traits is a lack of empathy yeah as he sees this guy is he so surface level that he sees a character who's has an aspect of what he identifies as quirk and that makes them instantly like anyone else similar like is there that that kind of strange um trying to think of a word for it like a like a kind of eccentric nature to them maybe that like all eccentric people are similar to all eccentric people i mean it could be um i just i don't yeah i don't know i would love to have picked his brain on this how the hell did he connect doctor who and sherlock and the only difference is one is on earth one is in space it's like how did you how similar because i'm imagining sherlock in the loki show and just how differently he would behave and act about everything kind of a nitpick but like a lot of doctor who is telling us like he just doctor is very familiar with it like being like you see sherlock is more of an earthly doctor who i'd be like okay doctor who seems very earthly to me based on what i've seen loki's freshman series on doctor who you get to have your cake and eat it too you get to explore a new side of loki rather than a tired side of the doctor you get to have your 2013 tumblr dream of hiddleston who without it being tied down to the hooniverse why is this is not a point yeah i don't know what to say other than they hired tom why don't you just say tom hiddleston's a good actor it's nice to see more of him be like okay all right the character of loki was one that a lot of people gravitated towards in the earliest days of the mcu his one-two punch of pity and villainy across thaw and the avengers cemented his presence as a fan favorite hey if it's all the same to you i mean this is again this is why he was probably brought back as the villain for avengers not just thaw because people it was the only fucking good villain of phase one right because obadiah for shit no offense um and then red skull i think hugo weaving didn't want to come back and abomination sucked as well kind of yeah loki was like had an actual backstory a significant motivation was threatening he had like his own powers like yeah course yeah his powers open a lot of avenues for him to do things and well funny say that rags do you remember and um if well for anybody who does or doesn't uh in thaw he's pretending to fall off the bridge and thaw goes to pick him up but he's actually an illusion and then he tries to push him off or like attack him in avengers he's like walking out of the cage and he pretends to prepare for a tackle and then he's like you ever not going to fall for that when then you see him in loki and he fucking doesn't use these powers at all he just keeps getting beaten up because he sucks yeah loki and loki in his own show is a fucking buffoon he you get so lit that that's one of the big you know things that i hate about loki is that his powers are super cool illusionism and trickery is insanely cool from a power perspective you can fucking pretend to be anyone you know all signs of thing yeah but he never he never uses it he like fights he fist fights people and he tries to stab them with knives i'm like loki what are you doing what are you doing loki you got all these cool ass powers you could use and you could be super quippy when you use him the one time he he uses the illusiony thing when he's getting into the train he's like i'll pretend to be one of the gods and then he keeps his helmet up unlike all of them it's like we've got to see tom hillison's face and he's super like goofy with it he never comes across as confident and like mischievous um or cunning cunning's the word i wanted yeah he's definitely not a cunning character he is used to be he this is definitely a different shittier depowered version of loki based on what we've seen i mean i think people if you haven't watched the like avengers in a while or some of the thor movies like loki is fucking powerful and he's very different from the loki you know in the show um absolutely he is a clever boy and i'm not going to say that the story was perfect or anything but in the in the first thor he like tricks the ice giants into having access to odin to kill them to look like he rescued odin destroyed an enemy and he manages to this is always a result of taking advantage of thor's banishment and then taking over as god himself like it while proposing as a great leader and a good person it's like loki's really interesting um you get none of that in loki it is loki is shitty loki has dampen god's foot loki has all the powers just not the budget to use them he can make fireworks you know fireworks i wouldn't say they don't have the budget that's what's weird that's the sad thing yeah i guess maybe his allocation of budget his power is literally illusion you don't you don't need a budget like you can just film a thing and say oh it's not actually there like just film something being there but then canonically it's not actually there that's how you do illusion i don't know that sounds kind of complicated i feel like it's written by someone who's not familiar with the character at all it's just this is loki he just fights with knives hmm how's that drink now and it was clear that his leading role in a title of his own was inevitable in terms of loki's story and i really mean just loki's story it didn't feel well when he died yeah definitely when i saw him die i was like oh yeah well that's that's the end of loki and he died how a big fear was that they would uh undo all of the deaths of infinity war they pretty much have now the only one left is uh i'm dull right yeah but he's he's probably not coming back well there you go he's he's doing suicide squad now all right i'm truly better off there i mean it would be nice to have one person stay fucking dead that would be nice yeah because everybody else has come back nebula gamora's back vision's back loki's back code is an effective coder to the temp attention and gamora's back in the worst way in a sense where we brought gormora back but she's a totally different character we we've undone all the work we did with gamora but she's back they're just gonna do what that well that's an opportunity james gun yeah we can we can have different things happen and it creates different relationships and different results like you can do something like that but what they'll i hope they don't just fast track you're like they did loki or it'll just be the same thing again but different but the same thing again jump two years i want them to be very i want her to be totally different than gamora one in a sense no i'm like totally different but distinctly different yeah because if you look at the events of guardians one there's a reason they all come together at the same time now the pie the almost the social dynamics different they're all familiar with her and like her but she has no idea who any of them are so it should probably generate a bit of a like a standoff ishness for a lot longer than it did the first time around because they're all new to this they're all trying to save the world now they're like hey we're your friends and it's just like yeah okay i'm absolutely predicting a joke for guardians theory where either drax or rocket is going to do this so what should we call you do we call you gamora one or gamora two or something like that i i think that it's going to be something that they do two mora two mora why mora why don't remind me of better times role in a title of his own was in how we carry on muller in terms of local story and i really mean just loki's story thought the dark world is an effective coder to the temper tantrum that was trying to take over the world in avengers thought has a fantastic scene with his mother in endgame but it was loki who shared the most effective screen time with rene russo some years prior i agree with this and thought you have some good scenes in it they're really neat yeah yeah specifically the loki and his mum scenes the loki and thor scenes which you need to put him on his arc you can't make him watch them that's not yeah you have to experience things because loki would you can't say that loki is absolutely saying distinctly that other versions of him are not him and then he sees other versions of him and then immediately identifies connects with those and that launches his entire change of character you have to choose one or the other you can't have both of these things he's not my father then am i not your mother you're not see good stuff but obviously yeah in context of another big conversation and it makes you very curious about where they're gonna take loki next and of course fix his death in uh in this uh to trick thor and he gets back on the on the throne he ends up regretting it in ragnarok because of the trouble it causes and then he's not sure about what he's gonna do with his life it also managed to squeeze a couple of genuinely good scenes out of ho hum mcu experience you had her tricks but i had her trust trust i'm gonna pause because we're gonna be real careful with video clips trust we let her die what help were you and yourself who put me there i think he put that clip in there by the way to help himself with copyright which is probably a good plan yeah youtube is a bitch i like to do that yeah but i suppose they have to be a bitch because all the companies are after him oh put me there who put me there you know damn well you know damn well but i do remember thinking at the time where did we go from here i'll tell father what you died we'll serve in infinity where it's why i like ragnarok's choice they make him rule as god he's a terrible ruler things started getting chaotic and then his decision to do what he did with odin leads to odin basically reaching the end of his rope and he exits as much as like you'll have questions about exactly how that works like lifespan of a asgardian king or whatever loki regrets it and thought fucking has huge issues with him for it and then ragnarok has their little arc as well you skipped all that and he's even more good than he was at the end of ragnarok and you do that i didn't do it for him i love this because it was like a serious scene when it happened but then you find out it was all fake at the end of Thor 2 and then this Thor makes fun of it like yeah i feel like it's a really good through line Liam hensworth has thought i must admit i wasn't really that excited to see loki take over asgard nor was i particularly fussed to see him redeemed after he's already lied about it several times so Thor ragnarok was wise to sidestep it and even though local they they give you what happens it doesn't work out he's not a good leader for asgard yeah this is help what helps him believe in Thor as the leader come on he's less prominent in this i don't mean to impose in the previous movies by the way i really like ragnarok very funny ragnarok is great i love ragnarok he's used very well and movies loki i thought the world to you oh it's just reminding me of how much i really enjoy the Thor and loki journey and they've fucked it with it now oh i love that scene so much what i rather than Thor having any major conflict with loki let's do get help he chooses to accept him for who he is whether he wants to be the scheming loki or not i thought we were gonna fight side by side forever but at the end of the day you're you remind me i'm pausing for copyright yeah i really want to watch ragnarok now yeah i mean it's uh it's one of the most i've laughed in the cinema when i saw that film i was losing my mind it's seven jay is saying i agree with you jay whatever you just said let's all watch ragnarok after this in 10 hours is it yeah let's go we'll be a lady we'll survive at that point no maybe they're still good at new but let's be honest that path is diverged along you know you know when vision said things aren't precious because they don't because it because they last forever that's the mcu yeah i know it's the john sweden line so yeah that's not only he's added insanely good line but that is the mcu now yeah it's really become quite the quite the encapsulation of this cinematic universe it will last for fucking ever the amount of new people have been introduced in phase four already like oh boy i got so many stories to tell you they're all great oh the only person i care about is walker and alligator you have walker in the allocator new show come on give them a show yeah and i feel like walker was that's amazing that they have a character we like in terms of their writing by accident or a character that craved violence shows real development here by accepting that he cannot change who Loki is as a person and shouldn't try to i had a friend once we ran together when i was little i'm not sure what's happening here i don't know where the copyright is in the visuals or the audio i'm like that got in some doubt probably audio when we grew up we went oh that Loki doesn't get a big redemptive moment like harry osbourne or Darth Vader but i think that was a great redemption arcs of cinema wow the likes of the climax of the story for Darth Vader this is harry osbourne in spider-man three oh who did it better bring a redemption arc of harry osbourne wow what a what a pair harry and vader like our faces yeah you guys go 12 for a sec because i gotta write that down well you guys talk because i gotta pee you know the deformity that defines their characterization of you see vader's face was burned and harry's face was burned and you see this is a crucial part of their redemptive story for you see their deformity reveals the inner ugliness that it's inside us all and physically they a