So, there's an entrance ramp onto the highway just down the block, but it's going in other directions. You have to go around to get on the highway to go the way you want to go. Yeah, so you basically, well I guess from where your car is parked, I'm talking about from here from the house, but from where your car is parked, you're probably going to go up the avenue in 2011. Go on. Get that avenue and take your left on the crosswalk. Just pass the overpass. So, Mike, is the street just to the north of the highway prospect? Yes, prospect. I left on the crosswalk. So you're just going to go on the crosswalk. You should have run it to Hamilton in front, right, and say, yeah, take your right to the right.  I got ways, but it stops talking after the first sentence. It says, press the go, you know, tell me to go, and let's go, boom, let's go, and then it talks a little bit. It doesn't have a converse with me throughout the whole trip. Get a faction. Oh, okay. In other words, you have to be going, and you have to be in motion. But it's pretty simple. You have to come in your trunk and start in your back. You can't sit in a red light and expect it to stay.  You have to make the left.  Now, if it said two cents a mile, like a dozen times, it'll be like next. You have one mile. You have five feet to go before you. I can picture you punching your phone. If they said, now one foot away. Telly Ho, you are. It'll feel like going out and taking a left on the roster. Yeah. Clink. Clink. Clink. Clink. Clink. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. Clunk. I thought I saw a drop. I'm not doing that. except my Kentucky coffee. Oh, how about you? What I smell. Before January, the master Yeah, it's not a texture. I don't know. Yeah, I just got it. That's a good thing. This is like 4 out of 5. Yeah, yeah, this is probably very nice. It tastes and smells like that buffalo trace bourbon bar or soap. Yeah, they make it. I show pictures of him. I got a little pow of the milk. That's probably nice. Oh, yeah? It's apparently on this one. Besides coffee, it has that strong molasses. Not shampoo or lary or molasses. Who's your favorite? Jerome? Jerome Curly was my favorite. I don't know why I keep on thinking about when Larry says, he's cooking breakfast, Larry says to Moe, how do you like your eggs? And Moe says, sunny side down, but don't turn them over. That's Shem. Shem was funny in his own way. Moe didn't feed him up. And his hair used to go like this. I think I had a fan block. You watched that shoot? It was a couple episodes. I remember noticing. Yeah, bad strokes. They said Jerome, and then one time he got internal settlement and said, what's the Jerome power? It was like 25 minutes. Jerome Horowitz. Okay, all right. This is a weird... It tastes like it could be cooked in another's bourbon marrow. And the body's a little heavier. And let you know more, Michael. And everybody... It's got a chalk piece. Which are a lot of high-gravity beers that have like chalky things. Like the horse and loggers. It's very sweet, like you said. It's five out of five. I learned that from the Cyclops there. They only can see what's going on. Is it chalkiness like a mouthfeel thing, Tom? Yeah, it's a mouthfeel. It's like a chewing chalk. I don't know what that would be. It's not a taste. It's a mouthfeel. It's a texture. It's not even a texture. Yeah, I guess it's a texture. It's a super-dried finish. Like with all the sugar, there's actually this almost stringy drive finishing. It's something that happens when you're drunk. I need bubbles. Right. I like the head on that beer up there. Wow, look at it. Anyways, I do like the nose. It's got a super-complex nose. It's dried up. It's dried up. But I know what you mean about that. Who needs more water? If you ever want to drink a beer, it's really chalky in the mouth. It's like a goldfish. Sometimes it is so chalky. But I was using it as a comparison. But that soda is cheap. Everybody will want water. It feels like a Sunday today. I don't know why. Have you not had work for last few days? Every day could be a Saturday, actually. I work for Seymour Doolittle. No, I'm retired. My brother-in-law sells tires. When you retire, you'll be retiring from the tire business. He's so aggravated with... When he leaves the tire business, he goes back to work to let me retire. If he can't afford clothing, he can wear a tire on his waist. Retreaded. Yeah. Are you ready? Darrell Messiahs. Greetings, Mr. Darrell Messiahs. The famous Michael Cameron. And the legendary also, Ronald Cheerio.  Are you ready? 1, 2, 3... I think that might have been you next. What did Jay say? What did Jay say? This is a score, right? 5. I'll make it a... on a 1 to 10 scale. I'll give it a 7. What did Eric say? What drinks? What's Chris saying? Jane? Jane Afford. I just heard of the Jameson. I need bubba. What did I hear? Hey, did I come back on some... Totally, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember this one. I've mentioned guys, it was going to be about the group. Like totally good. Okay, Derek is at 5.75. What do you give me this one? I came up at 5.75. I'm sorry. No Egyptian tomb. Has more elaborate hieroglyphics. Then Michael... Michael Comer off score book. Look at that. I don't get that. But the base... 6. Yeah, it's a different one. The other one was Jameson Barrow. From somewhere else, right? Gail did that. That's only 14%. Gail has a toothache. So I have to ask, what's the branding? I didn't know what to wear on my shirt. Because usually I do... PBRs. Yeah, that's the policy. One more update. Usually if I do a video like I'll wear, like the New York Mets... I'll change men's cap. But I was like, this is too long. Let's stop this. Tuesday I wore a burglar. Yesterday I wore a burglar. Thank you for that one. What's your hospital? What's your hospital? Oh! What's your hospital? Oh yeah. Like I said before, no ancient hieroglyphics matches. Michael Comer off score book. No commentary. That's one missing one more. That's one missing one more. That's game. Game. Many, many years going back to the game. I don't know.  I would need a magnifying glass. Magnifying glass. That's fine. I asked Michael once. What do you do with all this information? Why doesn't he laminate every page and then put it on a wall? Cause I was doing that too. I had all these... National Beer Museum. All the NFL records. Why do I have all the NFL records? I'm not going to look at it. I can picture. Those are great. I have each issue listed. The number of the issue. Batman. Thank you, Darrell. Cheers to you. I've got them all indexed. You should have that. But it's silly. I like the idea that we're being recorded. It's a reality show. And Jehoshaphat says that the count shall be taken. And when the count is taken it shall be written down in stone. When the stone shall be buried. Jehoshaphat wasn't obese. He was... How he was? El Clanco. Wing Clank. It's like the Batman. Ba ba ba ba. This has... This has what I call the lacto pump. Would you take this down there? I'm not an enemy of the lacto pump. But it is bumpy. Sour and lacto. It's a little bit of sour milkish. No, it's like lemonade with a vanilla milkshake. It's sour. It's not that lacto. So it's a sour or a tart? It's more tart than sour. This is very refreshing for the summer. It's a nice switch up. It's also not too heavy. This is great to serve tourists on the boardwalk. On the boardwalk and also all inclusive resort in the tropics or Key West, Florida. Or Louisiana the resort and the Bayou Swamp. Oh, how far are you from the Gulf? I'm from the Gulf. Can you get a white wine shot? It's connected to the past. It's bracketed. It's got a lot of crabs. Blue crabs. Oh, wow. It's got a lot of humanities. They get those cuts on their back from the propels. Humanities. I like it. I like it even better. That would be good though. Yeah, you made it. It's like a white wine. It tastes like a white wine. It's like a white zinfandel with lemon. It's like a white zinfandel with lemon. White zinfandel, lemon. With a touch of lactose. The tartness, some sour, literally. No, no, not happy. I agree, I agree. You are now viewing the ultimate beer reality show. Seven? At the... What do you think? He's trying to price it right. Nine. Oh, the alcohol. It's an inexperience. What do you think of the alcohol? I would say six on the alcohol. I'm happy, yes. Are you ready? James, Eric, James, Eric. You're not going to be able to say it again. Ready to go. Okay, so I think the mind is first and I can't forget it. Call them already. An alcohol is a six. Okay, Jay. I love lemons and limes. It tastes like white zinfandel, cold white zinfandel. I think it's one. Chris? Jay? Jay's going to be surprised. It reminds me more of a hard lemonade that appeared. Sour monkey. That's what I was thinking. You got it? Sour monkey, that funky monkey. What is that? Sour monkey. That funky monkey. Ah, victory. Sour monkey. Did you know what I was going to say? Oh, I got it right in front of me. I knew it was. Sour monkey. Sour monkey. That funky monkey. Sour monkey. That funky monkey. Ah, John Annoulli. Alex the beer master. Hey, Ron, John and Michael, what is that? This is what it is. Victory is sour monkey. Wow, incredible. It's a very refreshing summer fermented beverage. That's French for beverage. This is sour monkey. Okay, stand. It definitely covered it well. What is it? Not one of them. I feel like Michael's one of these every other. I've had this before. I've had this before here. We used to get different beers. They disappeared. Southern beer disappeared. Drunken one says cheers. Drunken one says cheers. Bumpy road, Jesse says cheers. Which I was there. The famous Bumpy Road from the Bumpy Road research. How much does running a red light in New York City cost? From that automatic? The camera? Yeah. It's like I was in a trance. I didn't bring any bells, Jesse. I didn't bring any bells. I had too much to bring as it was. We had a great seafood dinner at City Island. Bronx, right near the Long Island Sound. Very good seafood. I'm cool. It was a bunch of people that had no money. Most of the people didn't take us with them. They were like, oh yeah, this really helped in the city. The mayor was saying... No, but it wasn't meant for public safety. It was just meant to raise money. It's like a tourist trap. The only one the mayor of New Orleans kept was the schools. But all the red light in the speaking cameras are all disabled. You know Elizabeth? Elizabeth got a boot on her car. And no, she had like bought it. It was a course of like three days. That's not recommended. In our neighborhood? No, I have to let the folks know who's behind the camera sometimes. We went somewhere that most people never knew existed in New York City. Yeah, City Island. It doesn't even look like the part of New York. It looks like some residential area anywhere in the country. Very quiet, seaside charm. Seaside charm. Bumpy Road says wallpaper. What wallpaper? Nah, I am. I want me to go...  I have to keep my jokes. Well, you're not going to see the red much. You'll see it in here, but I'm not seeing it. That's what it looks like. It is fun. I've done some blind taste tests on people I got them. Well, which one is black? Modella? Oh, it is. You've not had it before. Let me know how you've had it before. Modella Speciale is not that bad either. It's a great deal. Modella is a good deal. Modella is a good deal. Modella is a longer. Yeah, Ambar in the longer. It's like when Batman used to punch and rob and he's like, Bang Bang. The world's smallest mother. A mother. That's a low-carb beer. Oh This is very very floral Very floral the hops This is definitely I like it very much Michael you have to give Jay with Now wait a minute we not this one now you can't leave Oh, I've had the Brooklyn Brewery products I Oh The jeep yeah, this is a seahawk the jeep now sweet peak was this yeah, it legitimately was a or it was an orphan, right? All right, there wasn't Street No, olive oil can't give olive oil can't get pregnant. She's a she's a stick There's All right, Chris, what do you think? Coffee Drunken one says is that the same shirt from Alex the beer master? What shirt is that? Hey, the great whiskey scout, hey Yeah, yeah, robert greetings the foremost Universal or intergalactic authority on whiskey is here Formulating ratings That's rich Formulating right now formulating ratings. Oh, you got top men on it I'm gonna be inflated Yeah It was Jane on her left on which is victory sour gave it a 875 That's a comparison we're doing Okay, so you're going recent a recent kind of is everybody ready? There's a score I'm gonna go one two three one two three I'm Okay, what did Derek say? What did Jane say? What did Chris say? What did what did you say? What did Eric say eight and one quarter? What did I say h5? What did james say 9.7? Wow Okay Eight and a half percent Bells in session I like bells by the way I will say that over on like That's cool You are watching the ultimate beer Taste test reality show tasting one two tasting one two and Yeah, they were as you can see they were very deep into taste and this is the official Michael Comer off Research the craft beer research laboratory in brookalino, New York Broccolino, broccolino, that's a time for brooklyn Dutch brooklyn, but there's no brooks here I Well, New York is broken land Was that Peter Stuyvesant? Oh broken land and and they don't want to spell out broken land Anglo very anglo words dramatic I Shoot To dutch, um, yeah, um, uh, yeah like like the capital of south africa Is Pretoria the other, um, um Johannesburg, yeah, that's from the from Holland, Netherlands, right Johannesburg is dutch Thank you Now manhattan was named by the hakawee Indians They they saw a man with a hat on so he said they stayed short and a man with hat on Okay, so one more manhattan Arranged in a very bizarre fashion and uh, I used to work someone and every time I wore the shirt He would insist that he Wanted more information on the man that tan race that I ran on the beach And did I have a really good tan did I come in first because of my tan? That was the hakawee Indians, uh from f-troop Word of hakawee, that's uh, you know, they they wanted to where they were. I thought they got the name The voice probably Duke of York Well, New Jersey New Jersey was named after Jersey our jerseys uh Massachusetts probably an uh Algonquin or or no, I mean Iroquois Whatever Indians were there in New England, but there's never Gansett. It's like a part of the Yeah Or they have shaved heads with the moho hairstyle the Indians of the northeast I think the Algonquins were And And the revolutionaries and we're so good Algonquins You have Alma Natchez Well, they were north I'm trying to think Because I used to teach them I had to learn now was forced to And it wasn't to know history it was like Geographic Yeah Yeah Oh Many states states and cities were named that had Native American names Yeah, Illinois, it came it was the name of a tribe nation Yeah, um Yeah Alert our last beer the last beer Great Thank you All right Nina already says why is it sup y'all I need a uh me. Oh, we have the the the the troll senses, uh, nasty, uh This is the troll Well, it says meat heads are alpha, but by the sound Yeah, yeah, I think I know who it is we know who it is Oh, uh mystic the great and I repeat the great Ronald terrio asked me If we have any cheese whiz or velvita I wouldn't eat that process Crap if you gave it to me for free.  Yeah, bumpy roses Long time no see You already progress discussions in the house thank you very much Clancy velvita and have that it's process. It's cabbage. It's cabbage. You understand what I'm saying. It's cabbage It's No, I mean it's saying that some velvitas are not that bad. It's still processed even I like real cheese Yeah, it's very soft I remember the commercial That's not bad sharp cheddar is not bad I like brie and camembert I like it very much with the mold I I ate limberger from germany limberger cheese It smells like like like dirty diapers, but it tastes great It tastes great. I bought the company Yeah, that's uh remington victor cayam of remington Oh, yeah, it's good Very He's right It does have a peachy apricot-ish kind of a roman flavor with the hops Now as you can see this is one of the nation's capital in craft beer there is There is no There is no Uh What's the word i'm thinking about preservative infested macros here I got a number Chris you have a number Eric you have a number Jane you have a number you like that everybody have a number One two three Okay, what is there What did james say 8.5 What did krusei say? What did audrey say? What did eric say What did i say 775 what did james say 8.5 what did Who jade like this from parkland And he he he got right on the 88 7 2 he gets This is park food big league Now that i've had it i would say yeah, this is a big easy here Third No, i'm just looking at the label and it's hard to imagine i know what's happening So i just want to point out because i've been i've been tracking session ideas And they have a start they have a hard food rectity Is there session Now I mean to me the I think you're not seeing the name bite here unless it's like a thousand points of right Baked brie with slivered almonds And raw honey Wildflower raw honey or any raw honey poured on it I've had that excellent I like all fromage Or fromage Real cheese monster the stinkier and more moldy and fermented the more i like it Don't pay attention to this red feathered Wink wink not not red feather troll That has been And of course plaguing the social media community for a long time now The guy has a government job in uh A suburb of virgini a suburb i'm sorry suburb of washington dc in virginia resides in virginia Gee wouldn't it be a shame if his employers knew What his hobby was trolling other people on the internet I would like to see him As the town drunk in his hometown in lord island He'll be he'll end up being the town town drunk Like what was that Otis on the uh, andy grifesha Yes, that's his destiny.  Uh, bye-bye everybody. Thank you for joining


The Ministry of Youth Development and Sports has presented scholarships to two athletes under their new and emerging athlete policy. Ryan O'Brien has the details. Two of the islands emerging athletes have received scholarships from the Ministry of Youth Development and Sports as it continues developing its elite and emerging athlete policy. The policy will see young athletes receiving financial support from the ministry to ensure they are able to take their skills and talents to higher levels. Checks were presented recently to table tennis player Deandre Colgian and athlete Naomi London. We recognize that some of our athletes are in need of a lot of financial support and this is one of the areas we are looking at where it comes to the new policy that we are in the process of developing. This morning we will see two of our emerging athletes in the name of Deandre Colgian and Naomi London. We have been checks as part of the elite and emerging athlete program. We have other athletes who have received financial support through this program but this morning we are officially handing over checks to these two athletes and in the near future all of the other athletes who make the elite and emerging program will also receive financial support from the ministry. I am very thankful this morning for the Ministry of Youth and Sports for undertaking such an initiative in terms of providing assistance to our young athletes. Being in track and field and coaching for a while, this has been one of the challenges for our young athletes in St. Lucia in terms of finance, equipment and what have you. So coming on board with such a program I think is a big step in the right direction. Some of the athletes are already saying that they need to work hard to ensure that they get on to a program with the Ministry of Youth and Sports. So athletes are already starting to want to be like those athletes that are already on the program. So it is very good, I explained it to other athletes and they said wow, that is great. Chris Wells is Colgian's coach and took the opportunity to express his pride in the achievement of the young athletes. I am so proud of two young athletes who are now going to be an example for many young persons in St. Lucia to have to be followed, that hard work actually pays off. And I would also like to continue encouraging parents out there as well as the parents we have here with us today for trusting us coaches to work with your kids. That is a big responsibility. So we are thanking you for allowing us to have that impact on your kids in a positive way. And I would also like to always keep thanking our Ministry of Youth Development and Sports for always continuing to spare head our efforts and to give us the backing that we need to create top and emerging athletes for St. Lucia. Isabel Alexander Marquis is a school sports coordinator at the Ministry. She reminded the athletes that their hard work paid off and disclosed that she had been following their progress during the various events put on by the Ministry. I know how much work and effort you put into it. I know how much the coaches and your parents have been behind you for you to succeed. This is a lesson to all other athletes out there that indeed you must put in the effort, you must put in the hours, you must put in the hard work and do not give up in your aspirations to your goals. Every one of us wants to be a serious sports person, we know where we want to reach. Whether it's the Olympics or just regional or even just maintaining our physical fitness. So let me once again encourage you to continue on the path that you are heading and the Ministry is always there to support you. Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Youth Development and Sports Caroline Eugene commended the athletes on their achievements and urged them to continue striving for excellence. From the Ministry of Youth Development and Sports, I'm Ryan O'Brien.


I hope you recognize this lovely image. This is that wonderful ensemble of Hellenistic jewelry that was covered in our previous case study, in which I had a conversation with Mary Louise Hart of the Getty Villa and we talked about this incredible ensemble of pieces that were all found together, focusing particularly in on the diadem on the right and the hairnet with its lovely dangling pieces on the left. And in this case study, we're going to look at more types of garnet uses in the antique world, including some jewelry and moving particularly on to the use of garnets in rings. First, I want to make the point that the material we saw from the Getty Villa is special but not completely unique. And what you're seeing here is another such ensemble. This one is in Berlin in the Altus Museum, which houses much of the classical art collection. And you can see that there is a lovely hairnet. We'll look at a closer view of that in a moment. More of those spiral, snaky armbands a really pretty possibly fringed diadem or choker that you see in gold, some wonderful earrings and then this fabulous garnet necklace with a Heracles knot that I'm showing you in some details on the left. And that's what's surrounding most of this ensemble. And this is, discoveries like this are relatively rare, and so it is very special to see them. But you might remember that we were talking about the Heracles knot, both with Mary Louise at the Getty and also with Adam Levine at Toledo. And it came up that the knot is something that's very difficult, if not impossible to break because of its structure. And that it can be a sign of love and commitment. So this would be a very appropriate sort of thing for a wealthy man to give his wife, for example. Here is a closer view of the hairnet from that ensemble in Berlin. And you can see the central figure is the God Hermes or Roman Mercury. And you can recognize him from the wings that appear to be coming from his hair. You might recall that he has a winged helmet. And you see those two little loops right by his neck. So that's an indication that this hairnet too would have had little dangling fringes probably made of gold and garnet. What I think is so fantastic about this particular hairnet and makes it really distinctive is the fact that all of these areas where the gold wires cross each other, these have been turned into settings for tiny round polished garnets. And I have a detail of that on the right. It really is marvelous. You'll notice that quite a few of these are missing, but still the effect must have been particularly stunning, especially against a contrast of human hair. Imagine if, for example, the wearer had dark hair, how this would have just glowed against that. Although the great jewelry ensembles are relatively rare, rings are quite commonly found with garnets through multiple periods of history. And here we see one such ring. This is an unadorned garnet just simply polished into a rounded cabochon form. And these rounded forms are what were more favored in the antique world. You really don't start seeing faceted jewels until much, much later. But as we'll see, simple rounded cabochons were not quite as common as signet rings, rings with some sort of engraving on them and a sign that would be special to the wearer. And we'll see a few of those next. Here we're looking at two engraved rings. And it's possible that these could have been used as signet rings used to press into wax to make a seal, for example. The one on the left with the 56 in the photo shows the figure of Marcius, who was a Seder, a half human creature who had the audacity in Greek mythology to have a contest with the god Apollo playing the lyre. And he lost and his punishment was to be bound up and you see him bound with his arms behind him to what looks like a tree trunk on the right side of that gem. And he was flayed alive. On the right side, you see a musician holding a harp or a lyre and wearing a peplos, a type of Greek garment. And both of these, again, are garnets. Here's a particularly spectacular ring. This one is spectacular for a couple of reasons. First of all, I'd like you to take a look at that garnet. And you can imagine that this would have come from a fairly large stone. And the jeweler here has cut it in such a way that it really shows that sort of anthrax glowing coal quality of the garnet that was celebrated by Theophrastus and by Pliny. It seems to glow from within. And I really like the close-up I have on the right for that. This is a signet ring. So it was carved in such a way so that like a cylinder seal, when you pressed it into something soft, most likely melted wax in this case, it would leave a relief impression. And so you can see that the inscription is backwards and also that the figure has been carved into the stone so that it will project in relief when it's pressed into wax. Like coins, signet rings and regular signets were a means of spreading a particular propaganda image for individuals in authority. They could, because the impressions of seals were portable just like coins were in constant circulation. So if you wanted to have a particular image spread over a wide territory, what better way than through things like coins and through seals, signet rings. And so here we see Theodosius II emphasizing his power. You might notice there's a real emphasis on large eyes, on a very large crown on his head. He's wearing a rich cloak and has an extremely elaborate shoulder brooch on one side and seems also to have some sort of ornament, maybe earrings actually on his ears. So all of these are meant to kind of show us him in his authority. We're moving back in time now, back to the Hellenistic period and here I want you to just notice the incredible quality of workmanship on this particular ring. And this is a piece that isn't much larger than, it's about the size of a nickel, as I recall. So not a particularly large work. And take a look at just the incredible amount of detail in this image with this elaborate hairstyle, beautifully modeled face, even with some cracking and damage to the gemstone. This is a really spectacular work.  And this depicts one of the Ptolemaic Egyptian queens, either Arsinoe or Buraniki and there were I think two Arsinoes and two Buranikis. And it's kind of difficult to tell them apart because they tend to share in the same sort of means of being depicted. Usually they are a veiled figure and there are a couple of other characteristics, but you can see we have this lovely veiled figure and the gem here has been modeled in such a way so that it appears that this figure has a really nice tight bun of hair underneath kind of a gauzy, silky veil. It's a real mark of skill of this artisan. And also taking advantage of just working the stone in such a way as to show it to the best effect, which I think is the mark of a true craftsman. Here are a couple of other views of that figure. I've zoomed in maybe a little too far on the left, but those strange blue lumps, those are actually my thumb and my index finger inside of blue gloves in the conservation area at the Getty Villa. And I want you to particularly focus in on the image on the right. You can see that this is not a piece that's been carved completely in the round. It's kind of a random chip of garnet that has then been shaped into this wonderful portrait bust. And so what would have been the purpose of something like this? Well, perhaps this would be the kind of thing that the queen herself would have commissioned to give to someone in her favor, or possibly this was meant to be put into some sort of larger object, perhaps a piece of jewelry or some other sort of ensemble, but it is definitely a luxury item meant to be appreciated for its beauty and for its craftsmanship and for the quality of the gemstone itself, that wonderful red glow. Here's our last piece, and this is a Roman head. And you can see, again, I've zoomed way in to show you just how tiny this is. But this is a female head with kind of a complicated hairstyle, sort of a top that has been divided up into three segments, and then there's a bit of hairstyle in the back. And this might have been commissioned as a little portrait head for someone to give as a gift. It was certainly meant to be picked up and admired. Perhaps it could have been put into a setting because it does definitely have a base and there's some breakage on the gem that seems to indicate that maybe it was set into some sort of a setting, perhaps for a brooch or the pendant to a necklace. Again, we just don't know, but it's a compelling little thing. Here are two other views. Again, zoomed in close enough that you can see the texture on the blue gloves I was wearing at the Getty Villa, but you can see the level of modeling on this piece. And then on the right, you can see how that hairstyle kind of works out with its various pieces. And then just below the hairstyle, there's sort of a groove there where presumably a metal fitting would have been placed around this gem so that it could be worn or displayed in some other fashion. And remember when we're talking about the Roman world, we're talking about a world in which images tend to have a pretty decent amount of significance. We don't have cheap and quick images the way we do now in the age of digital photography. So perhaps this was something that a husband wore as a symbol of his wife or something else. We just don't know. But these are just a few examples of the sheer wealth of small scale works of art that we have in Garnet from the ancient world.


Yeah, I was very nervous back in the day at the time, I was 14 years of age, 15, just coming towards the end of my school and I got an offer to go and sign for Wolverhampton Wanderers and being a young, small, innocent boy from Wales, you know, hadn't really been further than probably 20 miles outside of Wales, it was a little bit scary to say the least. So when I drove to Wolverhampton with my mother and father, you know, it was clear that that's where I wanted to go, that's what I wanted to do, but having the courage to do it and leaving home and joining another family was a different scenario altogether, but after about a month of going back and forth with them, I decided to take the plunge. Yeah, well first of all, the amount of sacrifices that parents make is phenomenal, it really is the amount of dedication they're putting into dropping their boys or girls off the training and picking them up on a daily basis, on a weekly basis, not including weekends and games is, you know, they deserve a lot of credit. Without people like that, without parents like that, it's very, very difficult because giving them the opportunity to do that, so I was very, very grateful for that. Then it comes down to you and how you're able to cope in that environment, what you've got to realise is that you are one of thousands of kids at the same level. It wasn't easy, you know, everyone talks about the good times and the good bits, but there was a lot of down days as well and dark days and you have to get through them, you have to experience them to actually realise and appreciate what it is to get through the other side. And, you know, I went on loan a couple of times, I went on loan to Shoezbury and places like that to try and get the experience. It's not given to you, you have to earn it and there's a number of ways you can earn it and even if you're a late developer or a late bloomer, you can still come through the system and that's what I did. I kept my head down at Wolves and, you know, it was a good scenario to be at because I had a lot of very good senior players who were guiding me and helping me and, you know, I'm forever grateful for the opportunity that I got there and the mentality that I showed and able to stay there for a few years.


Okay. Here we are again with you looking down on me from up above. Today we're going to be looking at something similar to what I did a couple of weeks ago in a video. We talked about Netcat or NC or NCAT, slightly different things. All kind of do the same thing. But I mentioned a few times in that video and I've had a few comments asking about doing something like that encrypted, which is what we're going to look at today. But what we're going to use is called Socat, which is basically kind of like Netcat, but it has encryption options. I'm going to show you some very basic aspects of it. I do want to start off by saying, is that a lot of what you may want to do, at least for personal stuff, if you want to do something secure across the network, just use SSH.  I understand there's going to be cases where you can't do that. You don't want to create accounts for everybody. You know, if you're creating an app, you just want it to be able to connect with encryption keys. So we're going to look at some simple stuff today, basically doing some similar stuff that we did last time. We're going to get like a shell going remotely. But let's go ahead and jump right in. So yeah, you're going to have to have Socat installed. And we're also going to be using OpenSSL to generate some keys. So use your package manager, should be in your repositories. And also the notes for all this are up on Payspin. Check out the links in description. I'm going to go over things fairly briefly here. You know, I'm going to do a lot of copy and pasting because it's a lot of typing. But again, the notes are in the description of this video. Now looking at the screen here, I have two different machines here. The top up here that says Fort is going to be our server. And that's actually my old ThinkPad that I do use as a server to backup files to which is on the other side of the room over there. And then Chip, the bottom part of the screen here is my local, my new ThinkPad that I use as my main computer. Fort and Chip are actually both references to Punisher Comics. You may get those references, you probably won't. Anyway, here we go. So first thing we need to do is generate keys for both our server and clients. So up in our server here, we're going to use OpenSSH. We're going to use OpenSSH. GenRSA, that's the type of key we're going to be generating, the output. I'm going to just create a file in the current directory called server.key. And it's going to be 2048 bits. You're going to want to store this somewhere on your system if you're going to use it more than once. I'm just doing it in this temporary directory because I'm just doing it for this video. But create that, generate it, save it someplace that you're going to be able to access it. Okay, now we're going to take that and we're going to generate a certificate with it. Again, here we're going to require new keys. So you can look at all this stuff in the man file. Basically, we're saying create a key. It's not going to expire for 365, three days. So it's going to last for a long, long time. And so we're going to take the key that we generated here and we're going to create the certificate. Boom. Now it's going to ask you a number of things. You can leave all these blank except for one. When I first tried doing this, it messed me up because I skipped through all of them. But what we want to do is we want to click through them. You can again fill in this information you want until you get to common name. You need to fill this out and it needs to either be the IP address of the machine you're generating the key on or the domain name, whichever you're going to use to connect to it. So I'm just going to use the IP address, which on my local network, this one is <IP_ADDRESS>. Boom. Leave the email address blank. So now I can list it out. I have a key. I have a certificate. Let's go ahead and from there, what we're going to do is we're going to cap both those files into a new file. So we have server key, server certificate, and we're going to put it in a PME file. And these are all just plain text files. So I can actually at this point cat out server dot PME and it'll actually show us the key. I'll make it full screen here. So we have our key, our key, our private key and our certificate. Okay. Now I need to put that on the client machine as well. So all I have to do in this case, again, I'll make that full screen. I'll make my terminal. Now if I'm connected through SSH, so I could transfer this file over. But since it's not very long and it's just plain text, I'm going to copy it. I'm going to come down here. I'm going to say cat into server dot PME or PEM. And then I will paste that information in there and control the or you can use Vim or whatever text editor, but I've shown you in the past that you can just use cat as text editor. So now let me zoom back in here. I have that file on my client down here at the bottom and I can cat it out. As long as I copied everything properly, it's good to go. But now we also want to make sure that the permissions are set properly on this. So we're going to use change mod 600 on both our key and our PEM file, PEM PEM file. And this is just saying basically you don't want other people on the system to be able to read or edit this file. They don't, you don't want them to have access to it at all. And so we're going to use 600, which I believe will give you, you know, read permission to it, but it will, actually let's just list out here real quick. Yeah, you have read write to it, but it's not executable and no one else can read it. Okay, so we've generated our keys for the server. We're going to do the same exact thing for the client. So here we go. We're going to generate the key. Now we're going to generate the certificate. This time I'm going to call it client key and client certificate. Again, click through these. And then when I get here, I'll put in my IP address, which is that. Okay. And then we will cat those into this file. We will then change the permissions for it. And now I'm going to cat out that client PEM file. There we go. And since that's my local machine, again, I could zoom out and copy it, or I can use something like X clip. So now it's in my clipboard. And up here, I can say cat into client dot PEM. I can now paste that file. And then I will hit control D. And you can even see, you know, just checking the last line of it, I copy the right thing. Okay, so I got that copied over. We both have service. Now we're ready to roll. We have certificates created and shared and sharing. It's always the hardest part. I don't know if I said this earlier in the video. It's like, how do you encrypt something and pass a key to somebody without somebody else getting it? If you want everything to private, I mean, there's public and private keys, but you need to share things at certain ways. It's, it's, it can be confusing. It can be difficult. So I'm just sharing things through SSH here. So when I'm transferring that stuff, it's all encrypted anyway. But yeah, you have to transfer those somehow protected. Okay, now we're going to start using so cat. So, so far, all we've done is generate keys, which can be used for lots of different things, encrypting files, encrypting anything, right? So we're going to use so cat. And we're going to say open SSL, because we're, that's the type of key we're using.  We don't want that. We're going to say so cat open SSL dash listen, we're going to give it a port here. I'm just going to use 4443. We're going to use reuse address IPv4 and fork. So reuse address just as basically if you read the man file, it's telling you that the server is able to restart right away. And fork will allow you to, so basically when I connect, it allows other clients to connect while I'm connected. And when I disconnect the server keeps running. Okay, now we're going to say the certificate for the server, the machine I'm on and the client. Okay. And then here I'm just saying dash that means anything that comes in, just show it to standard output. So we'll display on the screen. So we're just going to be sending messages back and forth. So I'll start that up. And now down here. And again, all this is in the notes in the description on pay spin. I'm going to again, so cat open SSL. Now I just need to put in the IP address or domain name if I have a domain name for the server and 50 and the port number verify zero. Not really sure what that means. I should look that up. But that's just examples that I learned from that's what they did. Now again, the certificate is going to be the one for the current machine. And then the CA file is going to be the one for the server machine, the remote machine. And then again, we're going to do just the dash saying standard outputs. Now I hit that. Now I can start typing stuff. I can say hello. And they can then up here it oops, up here I can say, Hey, buddy. So we are messaging back and forth using encryption. So these are all the commands. Once you have the keys generated, these are the commands to start up a server. And these are the commands to connect to that server. If I come down here, I can split this screen. Let me go ahead and copy and paste this exact same command down here. Just to show you, I'm going to connect to the server again. Now I have two clients connected to the same server. And I can say, Hey, pal. And that goes to the server. Okay, control C to kill out of that and close this window now and kill that with control C. But the server's still running. But I'll come up here and hit control C. So again, that's what the fork does. It allows it to keep running and allow multiple connections to the server. Okay, so what else can we do with this? There's lots of different options. But you can have it execute a command when someone when a client connects and the output can go to that client. So for example, I can say ex ec. So we're going to execute, we're going to execute, we're going to say bin date. So we're saying, when a client connects, run the date command. So if down here I run the same exact command I ran last time, I connect, it gives me the date and time of the server and then disconnects and the server is still running. So I can run it again and get that date and time again. So if you needed to synchronize clocks, there's better ways to synchronize your clocks between machines. And most things are synchronized with the internet now. But, but yeah, you can run any command. So for example, instead of the date command, I can just say bash. Now you have yourself an encrypted remote shell. So I can come up here, same can make same command for the client. And now I can list and I can see the files in here, I can type date, it will show me the date. I can do, I don't know what other commands can I do if config, there we go, we got the if config of the server. And you don't get the prompt and everything nice, like you do if you SSH in, but it's running those commands and outputting it to your screen here. Let's give one more example here. So what I'm going to do here is I'm going to go back up to this first one where we're just, excuse me, passing information back and forth. I can pipe stuff into my server. So excuse me again. I can pipe stuff into the client to go to the server is what I meant. So we're going to do this. So last time I showed you that I could I think I wrote a little program in Godot where it tracked my mouse cursor and sent that information. Well, XEV, if you're on a licks machine running Xorg, that will show you when you start that up, you get this window and it will show you whatever keys you're pressing. But also when you move the mouse, it shows you the coordinates, it shows you both the local within that window and also the total, the global. So I actually have three monitors here. So when I'm right here, it's showing that my position is pretty far over. But go ahead, let's go ahead and clear that. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to go back to this command here, and I'm just going to pipe in XEV. And I'm going to pipe that over to the server there. Something went wrong. What did I do wrong here? Is the server running? I didn't start the server. There we go. Now we'll run it. And now you can see when I'm doing it here, it's sending it to the server up here. So this is the server. And as I'm moving, all that information is being displayed on the server being sent to the server real time. I mean, instantly, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right? Control Q to get out of that or whatever keys you use to close a window. What I can also do is I can also, since I'm piping this and stuff, I can pipe it into something like grep. And I can grep for root colon. And I can do that now when I send it. It's going to trim out some of that information. So it's just giving the line. And if I come down here, it might be a little bit clearer. It's just giving the line with the time. And also, you can see the coordinates of the mouse cursor. Something I did try to do that didn't work out so great. If I came up here, if I try to pipe this into a cut, and I say cut, I guess a little smaller, with the colon dash F2, I was thinking that I'd be able to cut just this information here. And it works, but the cut command is obviously a little slow. And there's probably a better option for this. Because when I do this, it does work, but you can see it's lagging. It's like showing it in chunks and it's not instantaneous. So there's got to be a better way to do that. But I'm just showing you that you can pipe things, you know, from the client into the server, and then the output from the server into another process, if you need to. So yeah, so that's so cat in a nutshell. Again, check out the links in the description to everything I just did. And again, for personal stuff, if you're looking for security, SSH is awesome for most things, you know, but so cat is great. If you need to do these quick little application things across the network, and you want to encrypt it, it's just like netcat or NCAT or NC, but with encryption options, you can also use it without the encryption options, and it works kind of like netcat. But one of the main reasons you would use it is for encryption. And here we used open SSL. Again, it supports other types of encryption as well, but that's a very commonly used one. I do thank you for watching. 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Okay, we're just a minute past three o'clock, but we'd like to welcome you all to today's webinar. This is the forum webinar series and my name is Shaw Spray. I am the Vice President of Government Relations at the National Trust for Historic Preservation. I am very pleased to welcome everybody here to our webinar, which is going to focus on a summer federal advocacy with a focus on conducting in district site visits. We have some great info to relay from a really outstanding panel, I think you're going to enjoy today's conversation. Before we get started, however, there are a few notes about the presentation today. First, we'll take questions from the audience during the webinar, but please do send those questions via the Q&A function, not through the chat. Q&A is preferable. You can submit those at any point, but we will take up the questions at the end of the presentations. So feel free to submit those and in the meantime, please do use the chat function to communicate with participants. The closed captioning function is also enabled for this webinar. You can enable it and disable it either through the controls at the bottom of your Zoom screen or through your audio settings. And following the program, we will be sending out the recording of today's webinar as well as the shared resources directly to the email that you use to register. And finally, all the preservation leadership forum webinars are archived in our forum webinar library, so make sure to take advantage of that resource going forward. Next slide please. So as a roadmap for today, we're going to hear from five speakers. And after that you'll have an opportunity to ask them questions to the Q&A. We'll first give a quick update on legislative in Washington and the quick roadmap ahead. We'll cover in-district tours, communicating with congressional staff, an example of site visits from the field, and we're excited to be able to share congressional viewpoints on site visits and their importance from Hill staff. In terms of the roadmap, we're now 133 days from the midterm elections, and there is a lot in flux in Washington. So against the backdrop of midterm elections, which tends to favor the party not in power, we're seeing Washington grapple with major Supreme Court rulings. The January 6 committee, the war in Ukraine, record setting inflation, and ongoing global pandemic. So all of which have the potential to become a driving issue come November. So a very dynamic situation. So what we're starting to see now is Washington switch its focus from major, advancing major policy initiatives to more focus on winning elections. The window for major legislative movement will slow until after the elections when we when we enter that lame duck session, which really is a bit unpredictable as to what the dynamic might be in a lame duck session but that presents probably a potential flurry of legislative activity before the end of the 117th Congress. The opportunity though we have today, we look forward to getting to our panel is that the historic preservation field has a number of opportunities through to advance policy priorities like securing strong funding for the historic preservation fund and advancing legislation to improve the historic tax credit through the August recess period, which is the in district period when members are back home. We look forward to having a conversation about how to take advantage of that and what you can do to set in motion good good visits that will be particularly impactful as we credit position our historic preservation priorities for for the legislative opportunities for the remainder of this Congress. An in person visit to historic site, a main street or a stack historic tax credit project is one of the most effective ways to convey the importance and impact of our work. And it's my pleasure now to turn it over to my colleague Renee Coleman, Renee is the senior director of outreach and support at the National Trust. So without further ado, Renee. I really appreciate that. One of the things that I usually say is that if a picture is worth 1000 words, then a site visit is worth 10,000. So I think this is one of the most effective ways that you can advocate for your preservation priorities so we're excited to share some tips with you today. Next slide. I have a couple of great examples up here that I wanted to share with you all. This is the former mayor on the right of Boston, and they had a program called Mayor on Main Street. And this is where the mayor would get on a trolley with his cabinet department heads they would depart city hall, and they would visit about 12 award recipients from the Boston Main Street program. And they would have these stops over three days. So it gave them an opportunity to showcase to the mayor, exactly the work of the main streets and the advocacy asks that they had, they, as you can see, they're right next to the mayor and heads of department, as well as his cabinet so it was a great opportunity for them to directly advocate about their priorities at the local level. And then on the left, you'll see a great example of an advocate who we awarded the John H chaffee award for public policy because heritage Ohio has done such outstanding work, both at the local level as well as at the state level and federal level in terms of advocacy and here you see the former director and other heritage Ohio board members and staff with representative David Joyce advocating for the historic tax credit. So, these are just a couple of examples of how you can use this great tool. Next slide. I'll go back one. We are attaching a handout for you that will give you a couple of specific things that you need to do. And these are some tips that we've learned the hard way and things that will help you. First of all, you need to decide which preservation project in your area offers the most bang for buck. For example, there are some sites that you might have under rehabilitation that you want to show construction underway, you might have projects that you're hoping that if you did get federal dollars that you could rehabilitate. You might have other needs at the state like say you're going to try to get a state historic tax credit, and you want to try to show the benefit of what a potential project would do if they had state dollars. So, you need to come together as a group and decide which are the sites that you're going to, to prioritize as showing your, your official. The other one is, it helps to have a large body of people and I know that my colleague, Mike Phillips is going to talk about that in addition. The other one is to have a wide range of dates because what we've learned is that actually scheduling these is the hardest thing to get accomplished. So, having a wide variety of dates in addition to a wide variety of partners is important. And then also to be able to ask, what is it vote early and vote often the same thing is that you want to continue asking in terms of making sure that you get, get the answer that you want. And to not be discouraged if you get a staff member, and not the actual official because staff can then convey that information and then hopefully in the future arrange a site visit. One of the things that I think is most important is to actually make the ask, you have to have an ask it's just like in fundraising. It's great to have all the supporting materials and I think when you do have the materials you need to show both statistics, as well as the stories of the humans that are actually being impacted by this policy. And actually you have to have somebody there, making a request of the official so it's not just a time when you're out of the office and everybody's having a great time, but that someone actually does make a request. And you don't have to have all the answers. I do that everything in my job I don't have a lot of the answers, but you always need to promise when you follow up and thank them for the visit with any information that you that you promise them. So Mike, I think is our next person up, and Mike and I have actually done a lot of these visits together so thanks Mike. Thank you Renee and it's good to be on this webinar, we've done quite a few site visits and we have learned what has gone well what kind of worked and what really didn't work so there's a wealth of knowledge. Over the years of doing this I mainly advocate for the historic tax credit so we've done a number of these and we did a lot of these when tax reform was going on. And with National Trust Community Investment Corporation, we are the for profit subsidiary of the National Trust for historic preservation. And just when you're thinking about doing site visits, I think, you know, obviously you have some sort of leadership of someone making the scheduling requests so someone has taken that on. So if you want to ask yourself, who needs to be involved in order to make this successful, who are the one or two people that can be your core group that can pull this thing off. And so the team shows up and it's just the member of Congress, who can put together the right environment to make the ask the legislative aspect that you have. And so when organizing the team that might be a developer obviously you've got to get into a building somehow. It could be, you know, a main street director might have a relationship with the developer, but you've got to determine who, who are the core people that could get involved to pull it off. And then once you have that core group established, you can add on to that. And when you add on to that you think about who are the locals stakeholders, you know that might be a nonprofit that uses within the case of historic tax credit is looking at rehabbing a historic building for their office or for our purpose of their programs. There might be developers that might be accountants architects historic architects are good one preservation consultants. Who are the stakeholders for your issue locally, and can you add them into where they can be a good voice and honestly expertise with the particular subject. If you look at the historic tax credit growth and opportunity act there are various provisions within that bill. You know some that were really exciting to developers and then some that are, you know, kind of wonky accounting provisions that accountants could really talk about about projects penciling out and financing gaps and then coupling that with a developer, and how hard and projects are and challenges and the loss of value of the credit over a number of years can be really compelling because they're experts in the field they're invested. They're putting their own blood sweat and tears into these projects. They're trying to make them move forward. So you got to determine that core group and then who are who it who are the folks that can be the chorus that can make compelling points. If they go up, if they're not there. It's not, it's not the end of the world, the visit can survive. Within that core group you need to determine who is speaking and how that will go. I would suggest that you know 60 or 70 or even 80% of the speaking comes from the core group. And there is an opportunity for those other folks to speak either at the end, at the beginning maybe to introduce themselves and then at the end to discuss just their role and the provisions that you might be seeking. And then Renee mentioned this but the ask that's the most important thing. The cardinal sin of lobbying is to walk out the door and not give your ask you got to ask the member of Congress. You know what you want them to do, building relationship is key but keep that ask in front of them asked them to actually do something for you and what you are advocating for. And so that's important to work that out of who is going to make the ask, and then I always have what I call a cleanup person. And so they're the safety valve that somehow and talking the ask was not presented. They're ready to step in and discuss that. And these visits, you know, for six, eight is usually ideal for six, eight people are usually ideal beyond eight 1012 that can get to be a little bit large. And then when you're going around the group that can kind of take a take a while sometimes so I would keep it around eight people, you know between four and eight is ideal. Beyond probably 10 or 12 folks. Just it's a large group going through a building and and not everybody is having an opportunity to talk maybe you have some sort of reception afterwards, where a larger group comes in. But just the having a more intimate conversation is probably ideal at some point and then letting the member of Congress address kind of a larger group. You know going through a building with 2030 people is is pretty tough so I'm just talking about strictly the actual touring of the site. You know when it comes to conversations you can work that out according to your group size and what you have involved. Lots of times these are matched up with grand opening of projects around breaking it's always good to connect members of Congress from the very beginning to share with them the plans I mean is very compelling for a member of Congress to see a better day that is seen better days that is underutilized that is probably maybe vacant maybe boarded up and then they two were that as a groundbreaking and then they see the site under construction and then they're at the ribbon cutting, and they've been there from the beginning of the rehab of this building they're invested. And honestly they feel connected to the to the project and feel like that they are making a difference in their community and they are if they are helping move provisions forward. The last thing I'll talk about well first of all just, you know, work out who communicates who's going to speak, how you're going to go through the flow. Usually introductions are fine do the tour and then discuss challenges and the provisions and the ask and let everybody introduce and discuss their connection with the legislation that that you are you're talking about. I will say though that you need to have contingency plans. If, if something, you know, someone does not show up if the member of Congress cannot make it lots of, you know, many times I won't say lots of times with many times busy schedules, make it to where a member of Congress is not able to to show up and they have to cancel. If it is a groundbreaking or ribbon cutting or something like that or some kind of function for the large Republic the show needs to be able to go on without the member of Congress. So you need to make sure you have the program set to where the event can survive, even if the member does not show now if it's, you know, four to six people and they're doing a tour with a member and they cancel. You can work on rescheduling a tour but if it's associated with a larger events, you need to make sure that that event can be successful even if the member is not able to show. And I think Lauren will discuss scheduling, but all of that is part of the, you know, planning of everything so work out with that core team I think that's the most important part. Get your materials ready for what you're going to present to the member of Congress doesn't have to be a lot of handouts one piece of paper is fine. It's for to hand to a staff person, but get the core group together and add experts to have a conversation that is compelling to drive what you're advocating for and to drive the ask. So thanks. I think we have Lauren next. Hi, everyone, my name is Lauren Cohen I'm the associate director of government relations at the National Trust for Historic Preservation. I'm thrilled to be with you today to talk about this about getting people to come to your in district meetings getting elected officials to come to those in district meetings. I know a lot of the references that Renee and Mike and I have made so far are directed at federal elected officials like your member of Congress, or your US senators. But this can be applied to state and local elected elected officials to so just kind of keep that in mind. But you know I come to you with the background of a former congressional staffer so I know what it's like to get these requests to come into the office, either in Washington or the district office or to have a site visit. So, you know I'd like to just kind of go through a little bit about what you should do before during and after an in district meeting or in district site visit. So we can just go to the next slide please. So, work with the scheduler and district director, get to know these individuals and let them know your priorities well in advance of when you'd like the elected official to visit your site. They can advocate for you to the member of Congress to get a visit on their very very busy schedule. So, you know, keep in mind that there's a lot of demand on the time of these members of Congress though when they're in the district they want to make sure that they are making the most of their schedule the most of their time. So, you know if you get to know the scheduler or the district director, you know, they can work to make sure that you are on that schedule and not get bumped by another interest group or another, another organization looking to get some of their time and to that end be flexible. So, have an understanding of when congressional recesses are like the upcoming month long, August recess, and offer options for a visit during those recess periods. So, for instance, you know if you're looking at the congressional calendar. Don't ask for a visit when you know that they're voting in Washington DC asked for visits when they're home for their district work periods is what you often see it called or their state work periods. This is, you know, those recesses are times for them to be in the in the home state in the home district for them to connect with constituents to, you know, hold town halls or public forums. And, and to, you know, make site visits like this so just be flexible have some dates in mind. Know when they're likely to be home sometimes they often are sometimes members of Congress will travel abroad during congressional recesses so just know, you know, when those recesses maybe and be flexible with several options of a date. And also follow up with the names and affiliations of all of the individuals who will attend the event. This will make the schedulers job a lot easier because the member of Congress will always want to know who's going to be attending the event. As Mike said, you know, try to keep those groups. If it's all if it's a if it's a tour if it's like a big, you know, ribbon cutting or public event. You obviously, you know, don't know all of the people are who are going to be at that public event but definitely let the congressional staff know who that core group is the names, their titles affiliations that'll be really really helpful for them. Also work with the communications director or press secretary in the office. Let the staffers know the visit is confirmed and give them details ahead of time so they're ready with press releases, or social media posts, and other kinds of communications they may want to do. And also a really smart courtesy to give them notice on any op eds that you or your group might want might want to submit or any press releases that you'll be writing so that they're prepared to be able to share that as well. Remember you're working with these offices toward a goal, you're not opposing these offices so you're trying to work hand in hand with these offices to make this a really good visit for both parties for you and for the elected official. And giving them a lot of advanced notice is going to be really really helpful and very appreciated. Also before the visit sign up for office communications and social media this will make it really easy for, you know, while you're on the visit if you want to quickly share a photo or tag, you know, the members social media account. It will make it really easy for you to do that and also any office communications you know they may announce, you know, I'll be at this ribbon cutting this weekend or something like that so you're able to share that on your channels as well. Lastly before the visit do your homework. You know what committees the member of Congress serves on. So do they serve on the Veterans Affairs Committee, talk about how the site or project serves veterans in the community. Do they serve on the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, point out public transit stops near your site, or, you know, does the member of Congress have a child who's active in the theater department at school. You can make that connection with them when you're at a historic theater or an arts venue that you're talking about knowing it details about the member of Congress will really really help you make that personal connection. And really what these office of these in district site visits are all about is continuing to create a relationship with these decision makers, so that when you do have an ask. To listen to you to take you very very seriously to know that you are a trusted entity in their district in their community and as a constituent. So this is all about building that relationship with both the elected official and with their staff. We can move on to talk about during the visit. So be sure to take photos and use social media as I mentioned before members of Congress love having photos taken out in the wild so to speak. So be sure to take and post photos of your team with the member during the visit. Have a good mix of candid and posed photos you'll see some later you've already seen a few that Renee shared. So everyone sees it and sees that it was a great visit and then they can repost it. These photos will also be excellent for you know future newsletters or board communications you may have or any future interactions you might have with that member of Congress as well. During the visit, tell authentic stories. This can be your dedicated time to tell compelling and authentic stories about the site about the community impact, and about what's at stake, because you're going to come in with an ask shortly so tell those authentic stories. Also use reliable data. Mike just mentioned this but be prepared with important information like job creation or tax revenue or any other pertinent figures. Again this will reinforce the legitimacy of your advocacy ask and show that you are someone who can be trusted as someone who can be trusted to make an ask like you're making. And that that will mean that that member of Congress and their staff will want to go back to you again and again if they have questions about, you know, historic tax credits or the historic preservation fund or anything else that about the work that you're doing in the community that you serve, because you're their constituents. Also, make the advocacy ask. I can't stress this enough and you've already heard Renee and Mike stress this too but third time's a charm I'll say it again. So many people planned wonderful meetings and visits with members of Congress and they do all the right things, and they never make the ask, always make an ask. So if you have an appropriate appropriations funding for sort of preservation fund or cosponsoring of the historic tax credit legislation, whatever it is, do not let the visit end without making that ask. So, as Mike mentioned have that point person that's going to be the one that always remembers to come in with that ask. And something I also really like to tell advocates is, don't stop until you get a yes. Now this, of course means respectfully. If, if a member of Congress or the staff is reluctant to commit to the ask that you've made have a backup way for them to support you.  They're not ready to commit to that. Ask bill sign a dear colleague letter that you're going to tell them about that may be floating around at that time. If they're not ready to sign on to a dear colleague letter, ask them to join the historic preservation caucus in the house. You know, if they're not willing to do that, continue on asking for other things that they may say yes to you could ask them if you can follow up with the office and, you know, two or three months to update them on what you and your team have been doing. There's no way they're not going to say yes to that. So, ending a meeting with some kind of yes, even if it's an easy yes, leaves a positive impression in their mind and shows that you're willing to work with them and meet them where they are. Maybe they just need more information, maybe they need a little bit more evidence to support the ask that you're making. It also shows that you're persistent and you'll work to turn them into a champion for your advocacy goals. And then the last slide after the visit. Always send a thank you note handwritten thank yous go a long way, especially in this deeply deeply digital world we live in. So consider sending one specifically to the member of Congress at their district office. Remember that physical mail takes two to three weeks extra to be delivered to members of Congress, because it has to be screened for security purposes so just know that but a handwritten note. They're increasingly rare so that's a nice thing to send, but definitely send email thank yous to all the staff that you worked with as well remember, as I said before you're building relationships with the staff to include follow up materials and photos that you've taken during the visit. There are always really nice things both both in physical mail and definitely in in email as well. And keep the staff up to date on any activities that you talked about during your visit. You know if you mentioned something's going to open in a month or this project, you know is going to, we're going to have a walkthrough for this other project in three months. Keep them up to date about that if you've talked about legislation and you told them that you would let them know if other co sponsors join that legislation, definitely let them know because that might encourage them to get their boss on to that piece of legislation. And then lastly check in to see if they've taken action on any of your advocacy goals. Again, this is really, really easy just to do a quick email check in with that staff. And the more they see your name in their inbox. Again, in a respectful way. You know the more that they're going to remember. Oh, I remember talking to Mike, a month ago and here's Mike emailing again he's checking in on this let me try to give him some more information, whatever that is. So now I'd like to bring in Christina cannon she's the executive director of Scout Hegan Main Street and Scout Hegan main for her hands on experience with in person elected official visits. Thanks Lauren, and I have a bit of a cold so I hope you all can hear me okay. So Lauren said I'm the executive director of Main Street Scout Hegan. We are one of Maine's 10 nationally accredited Main Street communities here in Maine, and Scout Hegan is located in central Maine and we have about 8200 people. So and I often get requests to give tours for legislators. And I typically will lead tours, regardless, or I always will lead tours regardless of party affiliation. So a particular specific example that I want to share. It comes from the fall of 2020. And I was contacted by the National Trust for Historic Preservation and the National Main Street Center, as well as our main coordinating program to give a tour for a senator students Susan Collins. Senator Collins is our senator and district to up in the northern part of Maine. And she's also a senior member of the appropriations committee. So, when I was asked to do this, I said yes. Even though it fell during a particularly busy time for me, we were actually in the midst of COVID of course and I was trying to figure out how we were going to continue to fundraise without actually having events. And so we were putting together a brew bag with some craft beer in it and we were selling them and I was supposed to be delivering or handing out brew bags on the day of the tour. Yes, because that's one of my mottos in my position as a main street director say yes to things to opportunities that come your way because you never know what's going to happen. So I said yes, and we met as a team via zoom, the folks from the National Trust and National Main Street Center, and we talked about the specific goals of the process. And what with the whole point of giving the tour to Senator Collins was about the goals at that time where share specifics about historic preservation projects in our downtown and the importance of those projects, and obviously the importance of the main street program as well. So, as part of this tour I was also asked to share information about some of the projects that we're working on in scavenging as well. So after we met as a team via zoom. I was put in touch with one of Senator Collins staffers, and he came up to visit scavenging and we did a dry run of the tour we actually walked the whole tour I went over my talking points. And we timed it out to see if it was going to fit into the time that we had, I had already been given the amount of time so I kind of timed it accordingly. So we did the walkthrough. And then we stayed in touch after that until the day of the actual tour. So, if there is any questions I was able to answer them and that sort of thing. And then the day of the tour. It was really just a conversation with Senator Collins and I, she had a bunch of people with her and of course there were several community leaders and others who attended as well as Shaw from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. And so, but it was just really us having a conversation and I was able to share with her all of the talking points and all of the projects that we're working on in our downtown. In addition to the tour we actually also did a little meet and greet at the end at a local restaurant, a little patio outside where we were able to share where she was able to meet some other community leaders. So, one of the things that I was excited about sharing with her was a couple of goals for our strategic plan, or from our strategic plan, and the vision for the future of Skauhegan. So we are actually working on building a river park in our downtown. And so if you've ever been to Salida, Colorado, or Boise, Idaho, for instance, these communities have these great river parks where you actually can surf or kayak right on a constructed river park in either a community or in a river somewhere near a community. And so we are this is a picture here of a rendering of what our future river park will look like. And we will have you can see there's a wave feature at the top that's going to be a static way for kayaking and then the second riffle below is actually going to be an adjustable wave feature for river surfing. In addition to the river park, you can see to the right there is going to be a riverfront promenade with viewing areas. And we're also planning for an estimated 50 miles of trails that will be adjacent to the river park inaccessible via our downtown. I was able to share all of this we actually walked out onto the walking bridge. And, and then the, the group that we met with at the end of the tour talked about this project they talked about the great collaboration happening in Skauhegan, our strong partnerships our partnerships with the town and the miss the municipality. And we were really able to tell the story of Skauhegan and the work that's happening and the importance of our main street and importance of the store preservation but also other projects that we're leading. And so after the tour, we stayed into I stayed in touch with her staffer mark winter. And we built a relationship, and we still talk today, whenever we see each other out. But there was an opportunity that came up about six to eight months later, the earmark, the new opportunity to apply for an earmark or congressionally designated spending fund. And so we actually submitted to Senator Collins, a request for a $2 million earmark to fund to help fund our river park project. And we were very lucky because we actually got that $2 million. We just learned about it back in March, it was a nearly a full year of waiting to hear back. And so the earmark would call me and let me know where we're at with the process with the appropriations bill, and, and how it was moving forward. And so we submitted actually to Senator Collins and Senator King or other senator in Maine, and both of them work to push it through but I really stayed in touch locally or like mostly with Senator Collins and they were really champions for the project. And so actually Senator Collins gave me a personal phone call to let me know about the about the $2 million earmark so it was a hugely important step towards completion of this project, and we wouldn't be as far along without this, of course, $2 million earmark. I was really excited about it. And it just goes to show what happens when you say yes to an opportunity. You, you put your best foot forward when you give a tour to anyone that you're giving a tour to but particularly legislators, and saying yes to things. It's really important to take opportunities when you can, when, when you have them fall on your lap, actually. So, so yeah it was a, it was a great opportunity and so yeah that's, that's my story. Christiana that's that's great thank you for that and congratulations. Again, having the vision for the project and taking advantage of those opportunities. Next, we'll, we'll see if Maggie Ward is on the webinar with us she is the legislative director for representative Turner from Ohio. Representative Turner is the chair co chair of the historic preservation caucus and the house and long time supportive historic preservation so we certainly appreciate all he's done through his many years of leadership. And we're very pleased to have Maggie, hopefully with us today we can, we can speak to the, from the staffing point of view of the importance of these these site visits so let me pause there and see if Maggie has been able to join us. Yep. I'm on ink shot. Great. So, yeah, as Shaw said I am Congressman Turner's legislative director, Congressman Turner is the co chair of the house historic preservation caucus and in his capacity as his legislative director I oversee all of his domestic policy portfolio with historic preservation being included. And so I have not only staffed him for our historic preservation related visits in Dayton, but also in DC. I thought Christina really hit the nail on the head and making these visits effective when she talked about how she was prepping with staff beforehand, and then talked about how she was able to get an earmark out of it. I think what's really important to do is staff I mean generally across all offices prep their boss before they do these types of visits. And so that looks like you know telling them like what they're planning to talk about. So, letting us know like if there's any legislative nexus between the visit and any goals that that your group has is super important so we can flag it for our boss ahead of time and then they can bring it up to you. And so that's what they're doing while they're visiting. And it gives them a really good opportunity not only to have context when they're speaking with you about this but then afterwards when there's a related piece of legislation on the floor we can say oh hey wait we had a conversation with a group about this let's go talk to them again. So that I always think is wildly important. And when the legislator is there at the visit, bringing up those legislative asks, even if it's you know, additional funding if it's sponsoring a bill if it's a reauthorization of a heritage area. All of those are really important to bring up because members and their staff are paying attention to a thousand different issues all at once so making sure that you're in their ear about it and I think the members out visiting your site. They're more than halfway there right like they're interested in the topic, they're interested in your group, and really displaying that nexus between your group, and what they as legislators specifically for us at the federal level can do is really important. Because it makes it easier for the member and the staff when you just lay it out. And you guys are the experts right like, you know the most about all of this stuff so I think those are the two most helpful things. And making those site visits effective and then also follow up so if and when you have your legislative ask and then three months later you see that it's on the floor or that it's moving through committee, follow up with the staff and the member. Because it shows that one you really did care about this visit, it keeps the relationship going that it also just helps us out. Like I'm even thinking like last week, a couple of groups flagged different policies for us that the congressman had supported but that I hadn't been totally paying attention to because there was something else huge happening last week right so and doing that dialogue even after the site visit I think is also effective in making sure that whatever goals or ideas you talked to the member or the senator or their staff about really follow through with them. It's super helpful. And it definitely builds that level of trust and dialogue and shows us that you remember we talked about and that, and that, you know, when you got good job tracking that it's it's always super helpful for us because there's like, you know, so many different things going on. But yeah I think those are like the three biggest things is, you know, making those goals clear the follow up and then preemptively letting staff know what sort of legislative nexus exists between the site visit, and the member is super helpful. Thank you. Thank you, thank you so much for making time and providing some really good insights, always so helpful to for folks to understand how busy legislative staff are and and some of the tips for for maintaining that relationship going going forward and how quickly. So how many constituents are meeting with on a daily basis and how how many issues are popping up so you really can't expect staff to remember and so it's incumbent on you to keep that issue visible for for staff so Maggie thanks for for emphasizing that point. So now we're going to turn to the Q&A portion. We've got a few questions teed up but I thought, perhaps I'd start with one for Maggie. We were focused on district staff a little bit here Christina was working with district staff. And of course it's great to connect with district staff they are the eyes and ears on the ground and do provide legislative staff with with, you know, updates and priorities from from in district. So Maggie maybe you can speak to a little bit of the dynamic between between district staff and led staff and how you get legislative staff out to to site visits if the members not available. How often, how often do led staff get get to take it to her in district. Okay, that's a great question it definitely varies from office to office. So I personally were very closely with our district staff and a lot of, you know, some of our legislative ideas manifest out of meetings that our district staff takes and they're saying hey we keep hearing this or hey like, we've had so many like case work issues with this, and then it kind of takes itself into a legislative aspect of getting led staff out to a district state to visit. Normally, what I do is, I feel like I'm back in Dayton maybe once a quarter, if not more and I just keep a running list of meetings I've taken or places that I know I need to go so honestly like half of it I feel like sometimes is just inviting the people that are out, or making it a point to say like you, you need to see this in person like in order for you to understand everything I like really really conceptualize everything I've just told you. So that's, that's at least what I do and I notice the practice in our offices, I would assume most other offices are pretty similar. But I definitely can't attest to it and I know, and I don't know if the dynamic between district staff and let staff in all offices is the same. I would definitely say ours is pretty good we work very closely with each other. Thank you. That's great. We have a question that's come in. I think this could be answered by by multiple folks on the panel. What talking points do you find the most impactful between data, economic stats, jobs, etc, versus human driven stories. And, you know, does it depend on which elected official you're speaking with. I will, I will frame it and then give somebody a chance to jump in here. I think both both those talking points are important. I think each visit should probably have both prepared to be most effective. But let me pause there and just see if some of the experts want to want to jump in to help answer. I think we all could probably jump in and, you know, yes, yes, and yes, I think the economics to which you can explain our positive the jobs numbers everybody's looking for jobs number job numbers. So the human driven stories bring a, you know, a personal connection to the visit so I would say all the above sometimes not all of those can be produced but what you can produce and you're, I like the way you're thinking and you're thinking the right way and amplify all of those to whatever extent you can, but I'm Renee and Lauren probably have some thoughts too. Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right try to try to blend those elements as well as you can. It does depend, you know, it can it can depend on the member of Congress the elected official the staffer that you're meeting with. It's hard you need to lean on one or the other, but having a blend is is always the, you know, the right formula I think it also depends on the ask you're making as well so you know if your ask really is. Can you join this or preservation caucus. That's not going to need as much like hard hard data for that kind of ask if you're talking about, you know, signing on to a piece of legislation or something like that that might need a heavier hand on the, on the data. But I never ever think you should skim on those authentic human stories about how this work contributes to your communities. I just want to say as a preservationist, I think we have the, the bonanza of having pictures that are pretty amazing the before and after I've been in offices where people go, oh my gosh, you know. And I've also seen people say, I didn't realize that that place that I go to all the time was rehabilitated with either state or federal tax credits that I didn't realize what made that rehab possible so I think pictures are a great way to then engage in conversation. I am particularly nervous about numbers I get really shut down when I see a lot of numbers but I have also seen people's eyes just light up when they're shown these amazing statistics. And even I can understand graphs and understand where the projection is going so I do think if you do do numbers that having a graph is also particularly helpful for those of us who might not be as comfortable in that field. I would also encourage people because of our preservation background. A lot of us are focused on the building, but it's also important to include pictures with people in them actually using a building so it's a, it's a shocker I know but but having the building and uses is important. Thank you today. We have a question, perhaps for Maggie, and I don't know if you're familiar with this legislation, but we had a question about the status of the revitalizing small and local business business act. Maggie if that's something you worked on maybe you can share any updates. So I don't know that bill and I don't think the congressman is a co-sponsor but I am interested in knowing the bill number so I can look at it now. But no and I don't know if that if that the name of the bill sounds like it would go through small business but I don't I don't know if their committee has had any markups recently it is a committee work week so that could be something they have cooking this week I just don't know. No, that's perfectly fine see that is how the communication chain works somebody asked a question and the legislative director for congressman Turner now wants to look up this piece of legislation so thank you for that question. Gail has a question about local board and town officials and communicating at that local level. Okay, do you do you have some thoughts for best practices on on maintaining and building a relationship at that at that local level. Sure, and I'll then turn it over to Christina. The most effective main street managers actually won the great American main street award, and had the pleasure of going around with him up on the hill, and he carried his heavy metal must have been 20 pound award all around Congress. He told a great story about local advocacy which I've always remembered and that is the power of having a few people with different perspectives weighing in. So he was trying to get money for his main street program. They had canceled the money that was coming from the local program from the city. And so he had people communicate their interest about maintaining this funding. And he had I think he had only like seven people, but it was different representing different interests right the business owners and the people who had the hotels and all the different aspects. And he got a call from the town made manager saying lay off there's so many people laying in. So, even that was only seven individuals to the person that was receiving him it felt like a lot. So I think that's the power of having different perspectives represent. Thanks for that. Christina, yeah. I've been in this role now for our for six and a half years. And I have probably learned that the most important thing that I can do as a main street manager. Or really I feel like any in any role where you work in the community is to really put yourself out there and be present in the community. People need to see you doing the work. I tend to go through the board meetings on a regular basis, even if I don't always have something that I need to get pushed through the board. I attend to just provide updates occasionally. I used to do a quarterly update but I actually go more often than quarterly now. I have a relationship with the chair of our select board. I'm good friends with the town manager, because I've developed these relationships and we have, you know, similar goals and a similar vision for moving the town forward and so we're able to stay connected and and really keep a keep in touch to make sure that we're all moving on in the same direction. It's similar with other organizations that we collaborate with whenever we have a new initiative, or some new project that we're working on we invite people to the table to join in on the process to join a committee to join in an advisory role that sort of thing so it's always it's about welcoming people into what you're doing, sharing more information, and in really building relationships. That's great. Being present. You know, I think I guess a great point. So we're coming to the top of the hour so I want to thank everybody for joining today. We hope you enjoyed our panel. 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