My name is Alice Weisbeck and I'm here to be the first speaker of the day. His name is Chris Tuttle. He's been working with WordPress for the past six years and he's also been teaching WordPress. He's a freelancer and he's going to talk to us today about experimenting with designs. So please build on this, Chris Tuttle. Tell me how to use this, so let's see how this works. Alright, are we on? Alright, this is where it's usually taped to your face. Alright, first of all, I just want to get to know you guys a little bit. How many of you are designers? Beautiful hands there, alright. How many of you are brand new to WordPress? Just getting started. Love it. You guys are my people. I love you. Let's see here. How many of you have been doing WordPress ever since it started? Fantastic. Alright, I'll see you guys at the ones I get to watch out for. Awesome. Well you guys are amazing and I'm really excited to share some of the things I've been doing and learning with design. Okay, so a little bit about me. Actually, first of all, I want to thank everybody for coming out to WordCamp and I want to give a shout out to all the organizers. They really and all the volunteers, they do a lot to put together these camps and it's just phenomenal to be a part of this and to see what they do. In opening remarks, he mentioned that this is the real life community. It is. This is one of the best parts about WordPress is getting out and seeing the faces and being a part of that community and helping those around you and lifting them up. That's really where I came from, is the community. Without the WordPress community, I would not be where I am today or know anything that I know today. I grew up in construction and decided that I was done with construction and wanted to see my family. Well, the ultimate goal was to be able to work from home and be with them, which is finally a dream that has come true. So I'm pretty excited about that. But, yes, I love construction and I've always done stuff with computers and decided to jump into computers and actually got a job at Bluehost, so Bluehost I like them. Anyways, from there I learned about WordPress and now I'm here and it's a blast. Okay, so we're all here because we design websites, we build websites, we do stuff with WordPress and websites, right? A lot goes into building a website. We have design, we have copy. I've overheard a few of you talking, some of you are content writers. I really look up to you people. I have no idea how you do what you do. Writing is not my forte. There's a lot of imagery, there's branding, there's storytelling. And then we jump into things like calls to action, sales funds, contact forms, typography, UI. A lot of work goes into building amazing websites. Within that we have a little equation. So we have our audience. Our audience plus your design and your website. Our ultimate goal is to get conversions. So a lot of what we're talking about today is how to increase your conversions. Okay? So what's a conversion? That's the big question, right? Oh, and I'm sorry, if anybody has a question as we're going, if you didn't hear me or you just need me to repeat something, anything like that, I'm happy to answer questions as we go. I'll also have a Q&A at the end. So conversions. Really the conversion can be pretty much anything you want it to be. You are in 100% control of what you consider to be a conversion. It's your metric. Basically, it's getting your audience and customers to do what you want them to do. That's what a conversion is. You're giving your way. I like to get my way. So I like conversions. Your website goals, basically they turn into conversions, right? The whole reason that you're building your website is to be able to make something happen. Okay? For instance, maybe you want them to call you. Maybe you want your audience to buy a product. Sign up for something. Fill out a form. There's all kinds of fun things you can do on website trade. So really, you need to know your audience. You know who's coming to the site? Where they're going on the site. How long they're staying? Keeping them from doing what you want them to do. So a project I worked on recently was an online mental health counseling. And their main goal was to get somebody to sign up for a free session. You wouldn't think that would be too hard. It's a free session. People like free things. The main problem was there was a 30 question form that they had to fill out before they could schedule that for a session. That doesn't work. How many questions do you think people got through before they just abandoned everything? It was five. They made it to five. Part of the problem was they had this timeline. And it showed how far you were along the process. So obviously that was one of the first things that we decided was going to be the change. So knowing your audience is really important. And this is where the fun and kind of why we're here. AB testing or split testing? AB testing and split testing. This is one of my favorite parts about design. Because you get to test what you're doing to see if it's really working. I like that. I like being critiqued. I like learning and growing. And that's really what AB testing and split testing is, is you're allowing your audience to critique your work. I don't know if that makes sense. Anyways, okay. So AB testing and split testing. This is basically what it is. So you can granule form. You have your audience. You take your audience and you split it up into two groups.  You have your members, science class, your controls, and your variables for the test you're doing. So our first group, we're going to send to our control, which is our page as it is. And our second group, we're going to send to our test page. Now this is our variable or our challenger, as I have it written there. So you can see we've made some changes. You know, what looks to be like a call to action or something down there. But we've determined what our conversion is, and now we have the opportunity to validate any changes or additions that we've made to the page to improve what we think is going to improve the conversion. A lot of you know this already. This process, even though it looks very simple, it can get very confusing. So I like to use a little bit of a framework to really provide some structure and to help kind of lay out the steps needed to really make AB testing work for you. I'll bust along these so you can write them down if you want to. So the first step, we're going to measure. The second step is we're going to prioritize. The first step comes to the fun at the testing. Alright, we're scooting. We're sitting on a fence.  It was a left. We repeat. We do it again. Keep doing it. Okay, so let's break down measure. Okay, first is defining our objectives. Now, a lot of this stuff we probably should have done as we were organizing the site and putting the site together. For those of you that are freelancers and network on sites that have already been put together, you'll know that this doesn't happen in other professions. So the first thing we need to do is we need to come up with our objectives. Why does your website exist?   Do-able, understandable, manageable, and beneficial. We have our goals. What needs to change to meet our objectives? So what do we need to change on the site to meet those objectives? Those are our goals. Now we're going to jump into KBI's key performance indicators. For those of you that enjoy number crunching, this is for you. This is the numbers. So basically, you convert your objectives and your goals and you create numbers for them. So for instance, with that form, we needed to fill out the 30 question form, and KBI on that was we wanted people to sign up and actually hit that button and make the appointment. So that was our most important KBI. That appointment. And then we needed to find our target for every KBI that we have. So we need to put a target number on that. Does that make sense? Not yet. All right. So that's a measure. We need to be able to have something we can hit. Next is prioritize. This is where we jump into things like Google Analytics. Google Analytics is incredibly fun to use. It is, I hear everybody laughing. I'm a dad and a nerd. Because that tells you a lot about who I am. Yeah, I actually, believe it or not, enjoy Google Analytics. I'm not the world's best at it, but I love it. It's fun to get in there and tweak and play with things. So we want to use Google Analytics to help us decide what we're going to test. I really recommend looking for the low hanging fruit. So things that we can grab quick and easy that refer to our important KPIs. Like for instance, we need to know with Google Analytics where our traffic is going. What's the balance rate on page? Where is your traffic not going? Are they even going where you want them to go? Some of the ways we can do this is by making sure that we're looking at our entry pages, which are also our landing pages. If we go into the content section in Google Analytics, we can actually find out where people are landing and how long they're staying there. Then we want to take a look at our exit pages. So are they actually, when they do finally convert, what are they doing after that? So as we're going through this process, just know that the more traffic you get to the page, the quicker you're going to be able to find results in the tests. And using Google Analytics, if you're deciding between two pages to test, really it's going to come down to return on investment. Which one is going to be more beneficial and worth your return on your time? Because that's what really everything boils down to. Okay, so this is the fun part, the actual testing. First thing we want to do is we want to form a clear hypothesis for your test. For example, the problem is people aren't signing up for the newsletter. Surprise. So the hypothesis is the visitors don't see the value in the newsletter. Okay, so the hypothesis is value. Why does it matter if I sign up for the newsletter? It's just going to crowd my email box. So the idea is to educate. He's a little copy and toss in a couple bullet points to help educate and develop value. And so then we're going to test it. And this is A-B testing. So we have our website. We're going to test a piece of this website to see if we can get people to find value in that by adding these bullet points. And we're going to test it. Once we test it, we're going to measure the data. When you're looking at data, don't forget to look at revenue as well when you're testing.  A lot of times if you raise the price, you'll see lower conversions. So you'll think, well, what's going on here? That doesn't make sense. If you raise the price, you're not going to get as many people buying it. But if you look at the revenue in the end, you very well could be making more, even with fewer conversions. So always make sure that you check them just to make sure. And you do it again. What's the new thing? You keep doing it until your user experience and everything is just cherry. But you'll always keep doing it because it's fun. Did I see it? Okay, sorry. All right. You want to learn from your tests. And you want to do it again. Okay. Considerations. These are some fun things. Google does not like duplicate content. Okay. So if you leave up content for too long, it's going to hurt your SEO. The general rule is to really update your site with the winning validation as soon as you are sure of the success of the test. So when your test wins, update it. Put it up there. That's the new thing. I worked for a company called Modem Marketplace where I helped build an education service. And it was funny because sales off of the site, the organic sales, were doing too hot. And so we did some heavy testing on some landing pages. And within one day, we found that the new landing page brought in a good 30% to 40% increase. And so very quickly, that became the new landing page for that service. And it was really fun to see the organic sales just explode after that. So it can happen very quickly. Like we said before, the amount of traffic to that site or to that page really can help determine the length that you have that test running. So don't run your experiments longer than you need. And use canonical URLs. For me, I had no clue what that work was even just a couple of years ago. So let's talk about them real quick because they're very important. Let's assume you have two versions of the same page. So exactly 100% the same content. They only differ in the fact that there are several sections of your site. And because of the background color and an active menu, it's a little bit different. That's it. Both versions have been linked from other sites. The content itself is clearly valuable. Which version should the search engine show? It doesn't know. Okay? So what you need to do is you need to tell which one to look at. And this will help your SEO at the time. So what we're going to do is in the head, we're going to put this in. So basically, our link, this needs to go in exactly as it is here. And then we have our URL to the page. Can I contribute something, Chris? Please. Yeah, as an SEO expert, I would actually, for like a group like this, I would suggest a plugin, an A.B. testing plugin, and then actually getting into the canonicalization and figuring out which one needs to be indexed or not. Because it's on the technical SEO level. And I would suggest like an A.B. testing plugin that manages all that, all the technical side. Absolutely. I definitely agree with you. Absolutely. Just to finish up, I agree with you completely. There are a lot of great plugins out there. And you don't have to do it this exact way, obviously. There's a lot of different ways you can do all of this. This right here is Yoast, you use Yoast. Very easily you can type in the canonical URL right there. But yes, absolutely plugins are absolutely phenomenal. If you would like to learn more about canonical URLs, and I love that you're a SEO guru. I'm working on that one myself. This is a really great resource. You'll learn a ton about canonical URLs. So, let's talk about how we actually do it. Now, again, there's a lot of different plugins you can use that make this process a little bit easier. I'm going to show you the way I've been doing it with Google Experiments. So, the first thing you need to do is make sure that you have Google Analytics installed in WordPress. I use Monster Insights for this. It's just super easy. Then, we're going to go ahead and we're going to jump into our Google Analytics. We'll have everything set up. On the left-hand side of Google Analytics, there is behavior. So, we want to click on behavior, and then we're going to go to experiments. It's going to bring up a page that looks a lot like this. Click on experiment. We're going to leave it at web experiments. We can click on create experiment here. Now, to backtrack a little bit here, there are actually a lot of themes. I think it's not a lot of themes. We've got Divi, there's Thrive. There's a bunch of themes that actually have this stuff built into them. So, it makes it a lot easier on the theme side. So, if you're serious about doing testing, I'd look into the themes that you're choosing, but you can do this with anything. There's also plugins. So, we'll hit create the experiment. We'll have a list here of all of the experiments that we've done. We're going to click on stuff as well as the experiments that we're creating. This section here, we're just going to fill out all the different pieces. So, we're going to name the experiment. Now, for those of you that have played around with Google Analytics, you're familiar with the objectives and metrics and stuff. Basically, you can, in Google Analytics, you can set your conversions. So, any conversions that you set in Google Analytics drop down or set a selector metric. Otherwise, you can go ahead and create a new objective. Percentage of traffic to experiment. This is where we can decide if we just want to do a small sample of our traffic or if we just want to test with everybody. I like this one because I like getting notifications when things are happening that are cool.  Okay, next we're going to hit the advanced options. This is going to allow us to distribute traffic evenly if we want to. We can set a minimum time to experiment and run. This is definitely something I love to be able to set that time so that if I forget about it, it will automatically shut off for me. Then a confidence threshold. Basically, we can give it a call off point where if it's hit 30%, it wins. We're talking about conversions, right? We're testing our conversion. If the new page or the new copy or whatever we're testing, our test subject or variable, if it is 30% more, if it's winning 30% more than the other page, it will let you know. You can get very in depth with this or you can be very simple with it. It's kind of fun. It allows you to choose multiple objectives. So out there I have pages. Okay. So the next step, this is where you show the, you set in the URLs that you're going to be testing. So we have our constant up on the top and then our first variant. You can add multiple variants if you want so you can test multiple things. I prefer to stay with just one variant. It makes the data a lot easier to read. Okay. This part can be somewhat tricky but there's plugins that help you with this as well. So we're going to go ahead and click on manually insert the code and then it brings us to this information here. Okay. So we want to copy this code and there's a couple different ways we can do it. We can either put it in the header of the theme and to your point, a little bit more technical and there are plugins that can help you do it but if you are technical and want to give it a try, you're going to wrap that content, excuse me, that code with this little bit of PHP and then you're going to replace your page ID with the page ID of your constant. For those of you that want to use a plugin to do it, this is a phenomenal plugin to do it. It makes it super easy and it was written by a few of our local devs here. So does this plugin take you through the steps so you're not doing it at Google and I know that you're doing it on the... So no, this plugin, this one here is just connecting that code. So this code right here, you're just basically copying this and then if you use this plugin rather than having to insert code in the header there's a place where you just toss it in there and it makes it a lot easier. Does the plugin also uninstall it later on? Uninstall, take out the... No, you need to do it. Thank you, good question. So it puts it in for you but can you tell it to take it out or do you have to go back in and try and create that? So it's just like any other plugin is going to show up on the left-hand side of your dashboard click on it and it'll give a little window to input the code. Put it down with the test and just wipe the code. Oh, from that spot, from the plugin. It said it's Iblum that could experiment. Does it just end on its own? Like the code will still be there but it's not actually... It won't run. The code will still be there but it won't run. Okay, you've run your test. So I have a lot more in my mind that I was going to talk about and apparently I sped through it. Can we get a copy of yours? Yeah, absolutely. I'll put them on...


All right, so our trader is welcome on back and perhaps to close things out for the entire week, right? Market is closed tomorrow with that in mind. Great to see Leda Grant and all this live inside the cyber group room, Bill and Norman and Nina and Michael and all this perhaps rejoining us right now as well. And hey, if you're joining us once again on social media, Facebook Live or YouTube, welcome on back as well folks. We have a lot to talk about here because to be transparent, although we weren't expecting a whole lot to happen today, a lot's happened today. So we have a lot to recap. And with that, we have to re-scan the market, see what else is moving out there otherwise. L-E-X-X on the screen right now. I don't know, I'm not too particular about putting this type of stock on the afternoon list. Ended up making a nice move from the morning so we could at least recap it from the market open today. Second me. I finished my chart here. All right, so we ended up seeing this begin to drop off from the initial breakout. It made in pre-market. That was all prior to the market opening up. So usually that's a red flag. Well, with that, it ended up taking a little time, but it actually made a really nice breakout, gave us a really good opportunity right off the 350 level effectively and then ended up running up from there, actually got halted on the way up and even continued afterwards. Ended up pulling back and consolidating a tiny amount but ended up breaking out a little bit higher later on. But again, this type of stock, we've seen this all throughout this entire week. Tax season, we obviously know the market's closed tomorrow and with Easter Sunday ahead. I don't think the market is the top thing on everyone's mind aside from perhaps selling off prior to a big drop. So that's why perhaps the market was dropping back down once again today. But nevertheless, this type of stock, we've seen all throughout this week between the BCDA trade pop and drop. Look at where it is even two days later from when we first started to watch it. The BDSX if I'm not mistaken, right? And those are just two, if I really wanted to waste your time, I would go down the list entirely. But for right now for the LDXX, it ended up actually making a nice bounce earlier going into the afternoon, but I'm not fully sold on it. I feel like it will only kind of just pull back down and it already started to. I was a little fearful of that going into the meeting. So I don't know, not too particular about it for this afternoon, but a nice trade from this morning at least.  But Twitter, we wouldn't have found it on either because it's actually like down 0.6%. I'm in this trade right now as a short. I just wanted to make mention of that because this is still very tradable. We're gonna put this on our watch list here for the afternoon, but this was actually a phenomenal short right from the get-go this morning. Listen, whether you like Elon Musk or hate Elon Musk, you heard Fausto phrase it that way in the morning meeting, but it doesn't matter. Your opinion on that does not matter. It's a matter of just following the volume, following the big orders that get filled because again on the flip side for the stocks that ended up coming out with good news this week, BCDA, BDSX, the two that I just showed, although it didn't go up, so you can't just buy the stock when there's good news out. So, you can't put personal opinion into trading. With that, you know, hey, personally, I thought we would have seen Twitter make a little move up this morning. I thought the street would have pushed it up a little bit, but didn't happen. Ended up being a great short as it ended up just initially breaking under big support at 48. We ended up seeing some selling initially there in pre-market. So, as soon as the market opened up on Twitter, man, this ended up slamming right under 48. From there, held it as resistance after, allow me to zoom out on this chart briefly. I ended up shorting this initially right from the 48 level as it ended up, you know, it actually broke above and right back under like by a penny, but ended up shorting it initially from 4789. It was on a half-sized position. I am in on a full-sized position right now though. So, I got my stop set. Good to go on this for right now. I felt as if Twitter would look to continue to drop off heading into the afternoon for a couple of reasons. I mean, just general direction on the intraday chart to begin, but look at the market right now. It's beginning to make that pull back down again here so Twitter could easily follow the market as well. Well, on top of those two, you know, the daily chart for as much as it dropped, like why can't this continue to pull back a little bit closer to the lows that we had from the last few days? I mean, that's still pretty far away in retrospect. I think those lows were at 44.50, 44.44. So, you know, I don't think it's gonna reach that exact low, but I feel like it can get a little bit closer. It's a dollar away. You know, why can't we get an extra 50 cents out of this? You know, so I ended up shorting this actually from yesterday's closing bell print right off of 45.85. I wrote that inside the trading room just a bit earlier, just repeating the fact that that was a very strong level. So, hey, I ended up getting chopped around once on it. I took like a 5 cent loss initially when I re-entered it, but then I jumped back in, the stars aligned, and for right now, definitely it looks pretty good as a short going into the close. All right, I'll be watching this on my other screen.  So, you know, I got my eyes on this as we now go through across the gainers and losers list here, but you know, let's see what we got. Eagle on YouTube, like in that Twitter trade, and I appreciate that. It treated us pretty nicely today, thankfully. So, it's not just the trade I took, but it's the fact that it allowed us to take that trade. It followed the levels really well. Not every stock follows levels exceptionally well. So, you know, look at this. Wow, number one on the gainers list right now works. I didn't know if this was up from the morning or now. Obviously, now this thing just popping here. So, from 90 cents all the way up to nearly 150, there's an order on the ask there at 150 for about 26, 25,000 shares. You know, hey, it looks great. How can we not, right? Simple enough. Now, as far as like historical levels, it kind of seems as if like 127-ish, 125-ish was a pretty big historical support it held above back last year. Kind of topped off there, I think, or it popped above it today, but 125, 127 coming up right here. I'll even check back in on this trade just before we wrap up. I'll put a line there right now, quick. See if that can hold coming up here. All right, we're looking good on Twitter there. I do wanna get out of that Twitter trade if we can see 45 by the end of this meeting. Medieval, or whatever the name is, Med-Everal Holdings. Nonetheless, we've been kind of calling it medieval. I'm DVL. Ended up making a nice big pop from the end of last week even. Ended up continuing to push up from Monday and then obviously dropped off the last few. Nice push back up once again today even to the point where it broke above the high for Monday. Unfortunately now though, this thing is really dropping off pretty sharply here. It made a distinct lower high right off of a 240-ish, 242. And then beginning to slump off once again here. So we can't short it. Not gonna really put a focus on this trade now at this point. All right, BRQS, another cheapy. We got a lot of cheapies on this gainer side here. So we'll kind of skim through them or skip over them as we go. But let's see what else we got. The CRXT put this in the same category as the Lex trade. Two inexpensive stocks that made good moves from earlier today. Lex, a little bit more active compared to that CRXT trade. So that meaning I like Lex a little bit more so far for comparing the two. But for right now, we'll kind of pass on both. Marps, MARPS. Wow, this ended up making a big pop for us back in March. And then even before that, this trade ended up making a big pop. But it's not the pops that we should be talking about. It's the reactions after the moves are over with that you wanna focus on. Don't get stuck holding on to this trade. This Marps trade ended up being the exact pop and drop type of stock you don't wanna hold on to for a long period of time. History has a tendency to repeat itself, right? So on all these days back at the end of 20, beginning of 21, this is strictly a day trade stock, folks. So with that, you could just see how thin and really paper thin the order book is. Big spread, very thin volume on both the bid and the ask. It's moving up really nicely. Nice chart for right now on the intraday. So I'll put it on our list. I'll check back in on this one also by the end of it. If this one ends up completely dumping off, I'll scratch it off. I think I said write the CRXT trade down. I said I'd come back to that was the 125. Oh no, I lost my footing on the other. What was it works here with the 125? Yeah, it works, okay. All right, it's there now. We'll see if that 125 could hold support. Let's keep it going across the gainer side for right now though, folks. Not a whole lot that we ended up trading across these stocks here. I know Espev had a little pop earlier and this one we ended up trading like a few months ago if I'm not mistaken. Not a whole lot happening there now. All right, we got one of us inside the trading room, Patrick saying IMPP. And that was before I turned over to it. And it was from about five minutes ago to be exact. But yeah, this thing's actually making a really good move right now. IMPP, it's up over 13%. You have a 47,000 share. Oh, nope, not even that. 150 you would assume. 150, 78,000 roughly on the offer there at 150. But even above that, if it breaks 150 coming up, 160 should be pretty strong. But IMPP, hey, if this stock can make a fraction of the type of run it made for us back at the end of February, early March, we would love it. I know that one of us mentioned that crude oil moving up pretty nicely right now. And IMPP, if I'm not mistaken, was one of those energy or oil related stocks, right? So maybe we could check in on like an INDO, ISPC. I don't know if these are all related or affiliated. The ISIG trade, not as much. That's all right, all right, that's fun. The IMPP though looks good. I'll put that on our list. Oh, we got the nine trade. That was another one, NINE. This one's moving up pretty nicely here as well. Decent spread, decent spread here. And the order book is relatively liquid. So this one I like also, nine. I think ENSV was another one. I don't really see it on the gainer's side just yet. One of us calling out tell, Johannes. It's at the highs, it's so slow though. I mean, the only reason that I do actually like it more than that is just the fact that it's like kind of approaching the highs from the last week or two on the daily chart. Monthly highs, maybe that's 52B highs perhaps even. I'll figure that out just a bit. Yep, looks like it. Multi-year highs, wow. Nowhere near all time, but it's to say at least this is pretty much stuck right around this congestion area that we had back from like 18, 19, 20 year. It's had a tough time breaking above that pretty cleanly. So I don't know, I'll come back to this at the end Johannes. I mean, it's more of a level one or two stock so it definitely doesn't hurt us to put this on our list. But in terms of opportunity cost, so far I like the others a little bit more like the IMPP or Nine or the Twitter short right now beginning to break down towards the low. Let's see anything else on the gainer side here that may look good. All right, that's just about it on the gainer side for right now folks. Hey, if there's anything that I missed that's up, type it in the chat board, let me know right away. Gonna jump on over to the losers list here. PTGX shortable, take a look at it. Actually made a nice little move, more so pre-market. I guess the stock got hammered in the after hours yesterday. Yeah, big gap down then from there ended up making a bit of a squeeze up from pre-market into the open but I don't know, I mean, don't have a great need to trade this stock or follow it.   So all right, we keep it going folks. We keep it moving really quickly.  So I just wanted to kind of configure that first. There's about 51,000 shares on the bid at 45 bucks for Twitter. All right, that's all I see really on the losers side folks and this isn't me being lazy. If there is anything that looks good, let me know. But I'm just kind of skimming through between price and volume and I could just tell there's Jack remaining on this losers list here. So I feel like we're just about finished up folks. Listen, it's the day before Passover. It's the day before Good Friday, of course. You know, we have Easter on Sunday. Ron W, one of our longtime members inside the trading room asking, will there be a riddle, a Thursday riddle inside the live trading room? One of our longtime members later ends up giving us a nice little riddle to figure out at the end of every week. I hope so, Ron, I hope so. Later says yes. All right, how about this? If you wanna join us inside our live trading room, catch her Thursday riddle. Join us by going right down to the yellow link on the banner below right there for all of us on YouTube or Facebook live. Or if you wanted to sign up and join for next week entirely. But otherwise, folks, I think that's pretty much all I got. John says HUSA, Bill says HUSA. I think that was another one, right? Another one of those energy or oil stocks. Wow, this one's looking good. All right, HUSA. I appreciate the show, folks. Very nice from Bill and John. And Leda, and Leda up top there. I'm going from bottom to top, I apologize Leda. Going from bottom to top in our chat board. So, that's where I'm reading that. And then what else do we have, folks? Oh, look at that, perfect timing. INDO, what do you know? He probably turned over to this thing. What, like a second before it took off? Maybe 30 seconds before this thing just took off. Oh, man. All right, there we go. This thing might be getting halted again here coming up. So, we have INDO, we have the HUSA. Watch, ENSV probably popping. Making a pretty strong move right now. It's up over 15%. I don't know how I didn't find this on the gainer side here. It was there. Maybe it was just moving up as I was on the losers list at least, but yeah, I mean, it's hard to not put this with the others for right now, right? Any of the others energy oil stocks out there? I feel like there's like one or two more that we're missing. Let me just check Benzinga Pro before we wrap up. INDO, ARKON, or let's just check those out quick. I mean, the INDO we caught already. ARKON, B-O-R-R, I think four is it cheaply also. Eh, $4.80 stock, it's at the highs. But it's also got thin volume on the book. I like the others more than this so far. USWS, not a whole lot happening there just yet. We can keep all of these on the side list for right now though, folks. I mean, hey, I mean, I'm sure that they'll pop throughout the afternoon if we continue to see traction on the INDO or ENSV or the others like NINE or INPP that are already on the list, all right? All right, before we wrap up, I did wanna just check back in on the Twitter trade. We do have some big support at 45 bucks. It's gonna be tough for that to break 45. 45 would be a key level to follow. And especially if we happen to have a little short covering heading into the weekend, we might happen to see a little squeak up entirely within the market and that could squeeze Twitter up a tiny amount. But right now, I'm expecting this to get a little bit closer down towards that 45 level. And then I'll see if I look to scale out, maybe I'll do quarter-sized positions to close or do a half-sized position to close and then figure it out from there. But I just wanted to show this here before we wrap up. Grant says, IMPP moving well. Well, no one's already on our list. So hey, I like that we picked that one already so far. And then Chuck's saying the CEI trade, it was taking a cowl kind of push, he says. Well, it's pushing up pretty nicely. I could see that, so making a really nice run. So with that in mind, yeah, it definitely looks interesting. All right, cool. This one we'll put on our list. Oh, we'll check back in on the two, right? The tell, it's looking strong, right? It doesn't hurt us to put this on our list, right? So we'll do that. Good call from Johannes there. And then the last one was from the gainers list, the CRXT, right? Or no, it was the CRXT, but it was the work straight I was gonna check back in, that's right. Oh, so there we go. Did not hold support too well. Looks like it held it on the first bar when we last checked in on it. Technically broke under and over, so that would be worthy of a good entry looking for a bounce. But if that's such a big level, then we should expect a pretty big move shortly after. Well, we actually got a pretty big move shortly after, but not the move that we were looking for. So that's where I say, at least, you always need to set your stop. I was hoping for that to hold a hell of a lot better than it actually did, but it just goes to show that you can't guarantee it, right? Chuck says was taking a call, all of the oil, he says HUSA, INPP, INDO. Oh yeah, all of those are already on the list, Chuck. Those look good. All of them are already on there. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right now for all of a sudden, Facebook Live and YouTube. Enjoy the weekend. Enjoy the weekend. I hope it's really nice out where you reside. It's beautiful for the third straight day here in Long Island. I feel very spoiled with this nice warm weather, but I hope it's gorgeous out where you're located. Enjoy the weekend. Any questions that you may have, feel more than free to send on over a quick email. I always like to post my email here at the end of these streams. Josh at ctutrading.com. All right, folks. But for Chuck, Grant, Leda, and then Nina, and all of us just live inside the trading room right now, I look forward to talking to you folks right at 3.30. I'm gonna jump onto a call with one of our students. Probably continue this short on Twitter and then maybe catch another one at least on the afternoon list. We'll see what's out there. All right, folks, but I'll be back on right at 3.30. Talk to you soon. Come a cyber group member today. Just click the link below and receive all these amazing products and a world of knowledge. We're just not.


Columbia, South Carolina. Welcome. Thank you for the spirit and entry. Are you ready? Yes! Let's begin. It started like those things. Slow. One drop at a time. This time is different. Wings and waters. Every time. Oh, my feet! Water! Columbia had its own flood in the pie. A wave of good kindness, we let it cry. Service is word. Perfect coordination. And that gave our town. Good morning. I am Theresa Wilson, Columbia City Manager. Back in October 2015, our city was hit with a 1,000 year rain that resulted in a flood of a proportion we had never known. As city manager, I worked with our mayor. Our 2,300 employees, our city council, to reassure our citizens and the public that service delivery would not be impacted, but most importantly, to reassure them of hope. The little did we know, the people of Columbia reassured us and supported our efforts. We began a process of healing, an equitable and inclusionary process of relief and recovery that included all. The process of rebuilding more than 5,000 homes, we had to restore our canal to still in process to this day that provides regional water services to over 1,400,000 citizens and businesses. We have committed ourselves to make sure that the needs of all of our citizens during the disaster and since are met, and we have included them in the recovery process. Together, resilience and Columbia strong. Rescuing elderly men and going back to save this dog, checking on residents in my apartment complex and giving shelter to strangers. Well, as you can see, Columbia or the people of as we like to say, they something else. What she said, but we also have our jobs, just like everyone else. I protect you. How do we build our trust? How do we serve? How do we do it? Good morning. My name is Noah and Kelly. I'm the Deputy Chief of Police in the city of Columbia. We have seven programs that will help build community. Beyond the bag is a services emergency program that our newly sworn officers, before they hit streets of Columbia, they do a week of community service and homeless shelters, soup kitchens and children's hospital. We also have front porch road calls where we take our road calls on the roads to our neighbor's front porches. We have daily shift briefings there and we talk about crime trends and data emissions. We also have a young ambassador for justice. We bring youth in from across Columbia to discuss topics that are relevant to them. We also find that we have more in common than we do in contrast. Oh yeah, how could I forget? So we bought an ice cream truck last year. We go throughout the city of Columbia giving out ice cream to our friends and neighbors.  Thank you. Now as you probably guessed right now, we in Columbia, South Carolina, like to do a lot of things together. 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Hello there, it's Thursday at noon. I know it is Do you remember our arrangement Thursdays at noon on CFUV Are you ready to get started? What do you have in mind? What I want to do now is called first-person plural You make it sound excessively attractive That's what I have in mind We chose the title of this show, first-person plural, for two reasons First, we wanted to talk about social issues and social is plural. It involves two or more people Second, we wanted to do a show together as a team In our married life, we have come to recognize that we compliment each other in many ways We enjoy each other's company We don't always see the world the same way, but we respect each other's points of view We are first-person plural So it seems fitting that we celebrate our togetherness on the air As this episode is being initially broadcast on our 10th wedding anniversary October 10th 2002 Because we are who we are, we will begin our celebration with sociologist Connie Sheehan Dr. Sheehan is a family sociologist at the University of Florida who edits the Journal of Family Issues And who has co-authored a textbook, Marriages and Families Reflections of a Gendered Society, which will have a new edition coming out later this year She talks about why a sociological perspective is important If we are to understand the nature of marriages and families and how families interact with the larger society Then we will talk with Gordon and Joyce Cunningham This Victoria couple has been married for 59 years Yes, you heard right next year. They will be celebrating 60 years together and they are still going strong They talk about their life together and share some words of wisdom with a young couple who have only 10 years under their belts Finally, we present an audio album of our wedding We wish we could show you the pictures, but we think sharing some of our memories including poetry and song Will be more entertaining than seeing pictures of people you don't know So we hope you will stay with us throughout the hour as we present our wedding anniversary episode entitled I'd like to start out with a really basic question about Why you do what you do? I think when most people think about Families and think about marriage they think of it as being in the professional domain of either psychology or medicine So why do you think it's important to have a sociologist study this? Well, I think it makes a lot of sense for psychologists and physicians to study family issues But they tend to focus on these as individual centered problems and in sociology We recognize that families are small groups of persons with Dynamics That are affected by any one person's Problems so if a child has a long-term illness that affects the dynamics that go on between the parents Facts the other children and the family so the small group aspect the fact that a family is more than just one individual Is one of the reasons that sociology is valuable for studying families But the other aspect which is something we hear about in the in the news more often is that families are embedded in the societal Context so when things happen in the economy for instance that affects what goes on in families Not only in terms of the very visible effects of Spending money, but it can affect stress levels can affect conflict So sociologists tend to take this broader perspective looking at families as small groups and families as one institution in a larger Society in a larger picture right when you were talking about how society affects families Do you ever study like the ways in which? Families affect society yes many sociologists do study how families affect society in general And that's somewhat of a controversial issue because some policy makers some journalists some Citizens in general think that the problems of society are caused by family changes For instance changing morals and families changing ideas about sexuality might have an impact on the culture So it depends partly on what kind of philosophical perspective you take But one of the things I study is employment in families So it's it's fairly straightforward to think about how families can affect the labor market by preparing Young people who become diligent workers who show up at work on time So yes, you can look at it from both directions Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that politically a lot of you've mentioned policy makers And I think that a lot of political policy makers spend a lot of time talking about how dysfunction in the family leads to problems in society and I think that sociologists that would take a more I want to say holistic that might not be the right word But a more a broader perspective on that that it's that it's more than a one-way street absolutely We often think of Societies as systems just like you would look at a car engine or if you look at the human body It's a it's a complex system that the cause and effect relationships don't go in one direction only as you said So it's really hard to isolate cause and effect Anytime something happens in one part of the engine or one part of the human body It does affect the rest of the body or the rest of the engine and so that is why it's hard to To say cause changes in family cause changes in society or vice versa Another interesting thing that you mentioned that I just want to touch on is you said that some Sociologists kind of look at it in a small group way Where they are actually looking at the interactions of a family in the same way that sociologists study other kinds of groups So there's a kind of micro level and macro level to study of families Are there any like trends in that area is is it are there plenty of sociologists doing both kinds of work? and I know that you are editor of the Journal family journal of family issues And so I know that you are able to keep track of and that position a lot of the latest Studies that are going on. Yes for many years Sociologists who study families have looked at the impact of changes in gender roles on family dynamics And so recently we've been seeing quite a few papers that look at how the division of household labor Has been affected by women's employment. So in other words with more and more Women going to the labor market to work. How is that affecting who does the housework and who takes care of the children? That's a big issue. That's receiving a lot of attention And I would guess that would also include how male roles are changing because of that Absolutely how men's roles and women's roles are changing in our society. That's a major topic in Sociology and in a number of other fields Another change that we've seen recently in sociology of families is a greater look at children This may sound strange that I'm saying that this is a recent development because children are an integral part of families But believe it or not sociologists for many many decades actually Studied children and families only in terms of the ways that they were affected by their parents the ways that parents Socialized children to behave in certain ways and now sociologists are recognizing that Children also are active agents and family lives that children affect their parents just as much as or influence their parents Just as much props even more so than parents affect kids and that children factives on family issues are really important one of the Interesting papers that I've reviewed recently looked at children's reports of domestic violence or of marital conflict Sometimes parents think that if they're arguing softly behind closed bedroom doors Their children aren't aware of the conflict that they can hide the marital difficulties from their children But children are pretty adept at picking up on subtle cues and and they're actually pretty good reporters about What this the relationship is like between their parents? So this includes when you first said reports I thought that it might also include like the kinds of reports that they actually give when there's intervention Is this just there is By reports you mean just the way that they talk about it or do you mean in a legal sense? It can I actually meant in terms of research responses to researchers questions, but actually Children are often asked by courts to report on family dynamics in terms of child abuse or Domestic violence of some other type So I really meant it in the research sense But but it also applies in the broader context in terms of reporting to to social service agencies So I think it's fair to say and I'd like you to maybe expand on this a little bit I think some people might see these issues as more academic than they really are what we're really talking about here is the ways in which Families affect everyday living absolutely, and so this research goes beyond it has application to actually making family life Better and making the everyday life better Absolutely, one of the things that that I like to look at is how parents jobs affect their children's everyday lives I've studied ministers and their families male and female ministers one of the characteristics of that profession is that There's often required Relocation in other words every year or so ministers are reviewed and they may be asked to move to another Congregation so I've been interested in looking at how those moves from one community to another that are required by the parents job affect kids adjustment to new schools There's health and well-being and so that's certainly research like that Certainly has an impact on children's everyday lives or gives us insight into their everyday lives Do you feel that a lot of family sociologists Interact with policymakers our policymakers in the United States paying attention. I Definitely believe so perhaps we haven't reached the full potential, but I know that the Organization that I participate in the National Council on family relations is interdisciplinary It has sociologists psychologists home economists Nurses teachers and a number of other professionals There's actually a policy arm or policy branch of this organization and there's a representative located in Washington, DC and the representative from the organization is Ready to provide information to the lawmakers whenever they need it or ask for it So that is one of the goals of Researchers is to try to get the message out to people who can make a difference in people's everyday lives And the organization that you mentioned it in turn has had an impact on how These different disciplines are educating their students at the university level. Hasn't it absolutely? There's a major another major emphasis in the organization is on education and enrichment and that means educating community members about things like domestic violence, but it also includes improving teaching about families Keeping people updated about what the most effective teaching and learning techniques are educating teachers about Films and videos that are available or new computer technology that's available to teach about families So the organization is concerned with education and the enrichment part of it is Evaluating some of the new state programs that have been designed to make marriages more successful in in Florida for instance in 1998 I believe a state law was passed that required public schools to have education about marriage and family life and also Provided an option for couples who are getting married to take a four-hour course and marriage preparation That would then reduce the amount of money. They had to pay for their marriage license. Oh my goodness Yeah, so many states are changing their laws about marriage and family to try to reduce the divorce rate Try to make marriages more successful The one of the things that I think I know about is there's a certification that is available Yeah, yeah, and it pushes Across discipline. Yeah understanding of families. Yeah. Yeah, the National Council on Family Relations has a Program called the Certified Family Life Educator Program. It's for professionals from Full range of disciplines who work with families in different capacities And the program is designed to make sure that the professionals in these areas have competency on I think it's 10 different domains of family life. One of them is the internal dynamics of families. What causes conflict? How can you resolve conflict? Another is diversity in families how families are changing and how families with different economic backgrounds have may have different needs or resources so that is one of the Major education efforts that the organization has developed over the years The certification program to be a family life educator and is the trend toward more and more universities in the United States Offering that as part of their programs Yes Every year the National Council on Family Relations reports on the new programs that have added the Certified training in family life education and the number is increasing every year. It's in the United States in Canada I don't know if it's hit Europe yet, but definitely in the United States and Canada more and more programs I can't give you an accurate count of them, but I suspect they're well over a hundred University programs I didn't realize it had gotten up to that many. That's great. I think it has I I could be off by a little bit, but some of them have the program on a Bachelor's level somehow the programs designed for the master's level and some have them for PhD level and then of course some Of them combine all the levels But it is becoming much more popular and individual Professors can also be certified so it works on both levels This individual instructor can be certified and the entire program can be certified. Oh, okay and at the University of Florida are a program in Family youth and community sciences. I believe has recently been certified to offer this Program. Oh, that's good news Very good news and with this kind of interdisciplinary approach, then it sounds like they are indeed addressing some real specific social issues And how it impacts on families. Yeah, one of the one of the big issues these days is how the recent welfare reform at the federal level has Affected families. That's a big issue which we affectionately call welfare demise. Yes, right That's one of the big issues People are also looking at how Environmental issues environmental toxins that families and children are exposed to how that can affect their health and well-being So yeah, it sounds very interesting. Yeah, many of these topics found as though they're esoteric and intellectual and Empty exercises, but in fact, I think most of them do have direct Implications for people's everyday lives. Yes well, listen, I really appreciate you talking with us and Gave us a lot of good information to think about on our anniversary. Oh, happy anniversary. Yes. Oh my goodness 10 years 10 years Yes, so anyway Connie, I very much appreciate it. Well, thank you And I hope I actually gave you some sound bites you can actually you gave us plenty We're gonna be able to use most of it. No problem. So it sounds like it'll be fun So thank you for thinking of me. And if you when you come back to Florida for a visit, look me up Sure. Well, all right, you take care. Okay, you too, Patty. Bye. Bye.   Yes, we are I wish everybody could do the same thing.  Well, it was very easy. Joyce lived next door So you literally married the girl next door But he had lived there and we moved next door and I had man them up This was a fast to tell me we're up at Las Casinos where everybody goes for this Gordon used to deliver papers there. I says a long time ago I knew him from that so we moved in and all of a sudden I saw him and I said guess who we've moved next door that red-headed guy So it was you that roped him in When I saw Joyce up at the lake, I can remember there was a there was a in the movies in those days it was a Singer we Bonnie Baker and she wore Bip-over-hauls doing one song and I spotted Joyce with Bip-over-hauls on and I thought that's the cutest girl I've ever seen So how old were you when well, I was a we were we were 19 19 wanted married, but that was about So did you start courting each other immediately or well I put on to level 17 and I got pretty serious This was during the war that you met It was prior to the war We got married in 42 43. So were you in the military when you got married? No, I was I had Volunteered and being turned down for a heart murmur and then when I got my that was for the Air Force and I got the call up for the army They confirmed That I had a heart I was I was blue-slipped But he survived until he was how old were you when you had your heart operation? 20 years ago, so well, but we did have some separations during during the war Gordon was on the rally male We I traveled on the train sorting male and I was on the spareboard and I'd get sent to Small divisional centers where you had to Ambates like Edmonton. I'd be sent up there for three weeks and not get home I'd be sent to nipple and Saskatchewan for three weeks not get home You know so we had separations and then later on I was postmaster of the Eastern Arctic and I'd be gone for six months But we lived through all your postmaster. Where the Eastern Arctic? goodness gracious six months see voyage carrying the Canadian flag into these uncharted waters This was before our months and discovered the Northwest Passage just about Hudson was still floating around in a boat Yes, well this was 1952 and 53 significantly after Hudson I believe Yeah What kind of struggles have you weathered over the years and talk about separations were there? I guess that we survived over I was home having babies at that time and and I don't know So the six months he was home you utilized while I take it But Struggles no actually our life has been It's Camelot We we've we've both progressed from the time we we got married Joyce was a study voice and and piano and later in life. She got her Accredition from the front of conservatory is a piano teacher and I just I've joined the post office during the war because That was one of the places that the Selective Service would allow me to work and I just worked my way out and I never It wasn't a day that I didn't enjoy going to work and I ended up being me I started out as a part-time letter carrier and ended up as a regional general manager for post offices all the post offices I'm on in Ontario. So, you know life has been very good No, the beginning we certainly didn't have much money and it's you know, you had reasonable salary I suppose but you know, we certainly weren't Well-seeing I was had rental accommodation for a long time Was there any period during the last 59 years that you regretted or thought about leaving each other any of that kind You know that's the thing we've never had that we have been very very fortunate, but I Think we grew together and We didn't have the struggle You know, and I guess one of the things that have noted that people in their sense of humor they When they're in company, they will take shots one another and I think that's so destructive It's it's not the thing. We've always believed in each other and we enjoyed being together because we support each other, you know if Show appreciation for your endeavors and No, we're We're closer than ever, you know I come home and he's not home the house just feels empty that kind of thing So I I don't know maybe it is unique, but it has been very special for us How many children did you have three boys three boys and grandchildren great-grandchildren? We have 11 great-grandchildren and just three great-grands now We just had a family reunion this summer one of our granddaughters got married done in Ontario And it was Gordon's 80th birthday. So we had a real family get together there. Everybody was there. It was wonderful It's quite a family. It's a wonderful family. Yeah This boys are all married One of them has six children. Oh goodness. That accounts for the 11 11 yeah, and I mean we've seen them in all through their problems everybody has some problems So you mentioned That you grew together and that you've been supportive of each other What are the kinds of I guess secrets of long Elastic relationship would you offer? I think growing together is part of it. I mean, you know, there were we have busy lives and I Know our Friday nights out was a big one We'd always go out and have dinner and probably a glass of wine or two and Just chat around and I think later on Gordon retired early and One night when we were out he said you know, he said I think I'm going to I'm going to leave and That really surprised me because I hadn't I know he was under it was a very stressful job But he figured it all out and he was working for what the Boy on the mail room made, you know, when you think the difference of if he meant it took a pension So I that's okay. We did Stress Well, sometimes you get a little happy with one another I mean that you know Just When you have conflicts, how do you resolve them? We have such a solid base we know some so much history No We do discuss things we don't do things We don't go off and do things on our own like without telling the other one Only everything he ever did he went out and bought it about a car And he never did that again What did you do to the car?   It works out When we do kiss a lot and we tell each other we love each other and we like each other and I think that has to be done It's not a bad thing. He's still hold hands in public. Oh, yeah We I mean we've been married ten years now and I have friends who comment on that I can't believe you still hold hands in public.  Yeah, how about composition? Have you ever written him a love song? No, I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not productive in that way. I might sing him one Never written one. It's a thought I might try and you were with the you're with Canada Post. Did you ever write her a long letter? Well, you should see no, you shouldn't And they were treasures, you know, and he's still got them a lot of it was the story of what it was seeing which was so unique and Oh, that's wonderful. So we've got those. I think we might edit them a little bit for even to the kids But You know the garden's a good writer in here. He's written me poems. That's not I guess the only other question they have is You talk about you retired early and so forth.  It was that an adjustment to go from him being gone a lot to him being around a lot But he you the first morning you know, I always thought I was a workaholic because I'd go years with the holidays I couldn't get break myself away from it the morning that I'd retired on The July the 12th on the 13th. I slept in I found out that I was a bum. I really But Then we had a stint with the United Nations and we went down and lived in Suriname for two years and since then we've Taken a university ship around the world at a semester at sea. We've circumnavigated South America We've been through the Aegean and the Adriatic Toward the capitals of Europe, you know, we've done some beach holidays, too. We've had good holidays we've been to the Cook Islands Fiji and Australia and Singapore and Malaysia and That area So yes, you know, we've done a lot. We've seen a lot. We've made we've made the best of our time and of course we've had comparatively good health and that's the Three things that you need in retirement. We have it. We have Comparatively good health. We have the money that Are to do the things that our health will allow us and we have each other share that and so One thing I have to tell you When he retired He took over the kitchen. Oh, wow. He's a wonderful cook. That's where the food is He cooks more than I do But but I've found it very difficult for the first few months because I thought, you know, I've always done it I'm a good short-order cook. I'm not a chef But I've got many meals for our kids in a big hurry and that kind of thing. Well, we ate pretty well But you always did some cooking on the weekend, but that's not unusual I've I've read a sociological studies of men who retire. It may do become much more Mesticated on retirement. They mean they cook. They do all those things that we would hope they'd done like Pleasant company excluded he's about ready to get me now But a considerable amount of men in the world, my dear do not do these things during their work Lives even when their wives work. You're an exceptional guy Well, Gordon always was helpful around the house, but I mean and he did cook certainly in on the weekends That got me you'd like to do that, but so once I got adjusted to it. It was fine Sometimes I go in the kitchen and I don't know what we need and what we have But we do share to I do I do help him sometimes And then you're active I know over here at the senior center Yeah, that's a good that's a good interest for both those Gordon's active there, too But this is a good thing. I enjoyed doing that very much when we've all been there there for quite a while I like to work in the kitchen This is president over there. This is her third year So how long have you been in Victoria when we came back from Suriname We started them out here in the winter time for three months and that was Joyce's mother and dad were living here then and We had sold her home in Toronto and moved up to George and they we had a home up there and We would stay there until our New Year's and come out here for three months and go back And that's where all grandkids grew up in all the summers. Yeah, and then Oh, I guess it was about our 65th birthday. Joyce said, you know, they're starting to give us these checks What are we going to do?  We had the legs and the family always came up and the kids spent lots of time with us That one of our grandsons thought thinks he's going to take after his grandfather because he's only long and when he's retired He's not going to be like coffee Skip the little part Last word of advice like to a couple who have been married ten years or Guess talk to one another Be forgiving Be interested Don't be afraid to show your love And have a sense of humor, I hope Well, thank you. Thank you for your time You're listening to first-person plural on CFUV Victoria's Public Radio 101.9 FM one of 4.3 cable And on the internet CFUV.UVAC.CA Giving sociology an edge Today is a special episode celebrating our 10th wedding anniversary. This is our 10th wedding anniversary Since we cannot share pictures of our wedding, we decided to share our memories of the day We gathered with our friends at a park in St. Petersburg, Florida on a beautiful October Saturday and had a potluck picnic We played games and ate great food and were creatively lazy all afternoon The sunset drew near we asked our friends together around on the ground And we sat down with our closest friends Howard and Peggy Nearby so they could witness our vows and stand up for us as a couple Our niece Crystal also participated Our friend Bob, an ordained minister who presided over the ceremony began our wedding with these words An ancient lore there existed a bird that was reborn from its own ashes Instead of dying the legend says it made a nest of strides of expices and herbs on the top of a palm tree set it on fire and died From the burned body of the first bird a young phoenix issued forth The symbol of the phoenix is one of becoming whole and new from the ashes of one's own life Most beings spring from other individuals But there is a certain kind that comes from within not from another Ten years ago today we gathered with our friends and family to celebrate life and rebirth We both had had experience with ashes We both had seen our lives turn to ashes and from that bottom Chose a new life that was more full of hope than the previous one Just as the new phoenix must start again as a youth So did we have to begin again as babes Ten years ago today we began a new part of our lives We have learned since then that being together meant renewing our lives over and over again We have had additional experience with ashes in the past ten years Only this time we have risen together And it seems that each bottom gets a little higher as we learn to play and enjoy life together Our friend Peggy read Love Song by Renea Maria Wilkin How shall I hold my soul that it may not be touching yours How shall I lift it then above you to where other things are waiting? Ah gladly would I lodge it all forgot With some lost thing the dark is isolating on some remote and silent spot that when your depths vibrate is not itself vibrating You and me all that lights upon us though brings us together like a fiddle bow Drawing one voice from two strings it glides along Across what instrument have we been spanned and what violinist holds us in his hand Oh sweetest song Our niece Crystal read these words from Paul's second letter to the Corinthians Love is patient love is kind It does not envy it does not boast It is not proud it is not rude It is not self-seeking It is not easily angered It keeps no record of wrongs Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth It always protects always trusts always hopes always perseveres love never fails And now these to be remain faith hope and love But the greatest of these is love Ten years ago today we said these words to each other You and I met as strangers each carrying a mystery within us I may never know who you are I may never know you completely But I trust that you are a person in your own right Possessed of a beauty and value that our earth's richest treasures So I renew this promise to you I will impose no identities upon you I will invite you to become yourself without shame or fear I will hold a space for you in the world And defend your right to fill it with an authentic vocation For as long as your search takes you have my loyalty So I take you to be my partner in life To have and to hold from this day forward For better for worse for richer for poorer And sickness and health to love and cherish one day at a time I give you my trust and all my tomorrows Ten years ago today, I sang you this song Serves from Khalil Gibran's the life of love as found in tears and laughter spring Come my beloved let us walk amidst the gnolls for the snow is water And life is alive from its slumber and is roaming the hills and valleys Let us follow the footprints of spring into the distant fields And mount the hilltops to draw inspiration high above the cool green plains Come my beloved let us drink the last of winter's tear from the cut lilies And soothe our spirits with the shower of notes from the birds And wonder and exhilaration through the intoxicating breeze Let us sit by that rock where violets hide Let us pursue their exchange of the sweetness of kisses Summer let us go into the field my beloved Where the time of harvest approaches and the sun's eyes are ripening the grain Let us tend the fruit of the earth as the spirit nourishes the grains of joy From the seeds of love so deep in our hearts Autumn let us retreat for the tired brook has ceased its song and the bubbles and springs are drained of their copious weeping And the cautious old hills have stored away their colorful garments Come my beloved nature is justly weary and is bidding her enthusiasm farewell With quiet and contented melody Winter come close to me o companion of my full life Come close to me and let not winter's touch enter between us Sit by me before the hearth for fire is the only fruit of winter Feed the lamp with oil and let it not dim and place it by you So I can read with tears when your life with me has written upon your face Bring autumn's wine let us drink and sing the song of remembrance to spring's carefree sowing and summer's watchful tending and autumn's reward in harvest You have been listening to First Person Plural on CFUV 101.9 FM In Victoria, British Columbia, simulcasted on 104.3 cable and cfuv.uvic.ca First Person Plural is produced weekly by Dr. Patty Thomas and Carl Wilkerson. 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