Welcome everyone to theCUBE's presentation of the AWS startup showcase. And this episode two of season two is called Data as Code, the ongoing series covering exciting new startups from the AWS ecosystem. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. Today we're excited to be joined by John Dahl, who is the co-founder and CEO of Mox Hot Startup, building cloud video for developers, video data. John, great to see you. We did an interview on theCUBE conversation, went into big detail of the awesomeness of your company and the trend that you're on. Welcome back. Thank you, glad to be here. So video is everywhere, you know, video first, pivot to video, you hear all these kinds of terms in the industry, but now more than ever, video is everywhere and people are building with it and it's becoming part of the developer experience in applications. So people have to stand up video into their code fast and data is code, video is data. So you guys are specializing in this, take us through that dynamic. Yeah, so video clearly is a growing part of how people are building applications. You see a lot of trends of categories that did not involve video in the past, making a major move towards video. I think what Peloton did five years ago to the world of fitness, that was not really a big category. Now video fitness is a huge thing, video in education, video in business settings, video in a lot of places. I think Mark Andreessen famously said software is eating the world as a pretty good indicator of what the internet is actually doing to the economy. I think there's a lot of ways in which video right now is eating software. So categories that were not video first are becoming video first. And that's what we help with. It's not obvious to like most software developers when they think about video, video industries. This industry shows around video, NAB, others. People know the video, folks know what's going on in video, but when you start to bring it mainstream, it becomes an expectation in the apps. And it's not that easy. It's almost the provisioned video is hard for a developer because you got to know the full, I guess, stack of video.  So in between, this is a media stack kind of dynamic. Can you talk about how hard it is to build video for developers? How is it going to become easier? Yeah, I mean, I've lived this story for too, too long, maybe 13 years now when I first built my first video stack.  It's been hijacked by video. Video is 70% of internet traffic today in an unreliable sort of untrusted network space, which is totally different than how television used to work or cable or things like that. So yeah, so video is hard for, because there's so many problems from top to bottom that need to be solved to make video work. So you have to worry about video encoding, which is video compression and encoding, which is a very complicated topic in itself. You have to worry about delivering video around the world at scale, delivering it at low costs, at low latency with good performance. You have to worry about devices and how every device, Android, iOS, web, TVs, every device handles video differently. And so there's a lot of work there. And at the end of the day, these are kind of unofficial standards that everyone's using. So one of the miracles is like, if you want to watch a video, somehow you have to get like Apple and Google to agree on things, which is not always easy. And so there's just so many layers of complexity that are behind it. I think one way to think about it is if you want to put an image online, you just put an image online. And if you want to put a video online, you build complex software. And that's the exact problem that MUX was started to help solve. It's interesting, you guys are almost creating a whole new category around video infrastructure. And as you look at, you mentioned stack, you know, video stack, I'm looking at a market where the notion of a media stack is developing. And you're seeing these verticals having similar dynamics with cloud. And if you go back to the early days of cloud computing, what was the developer experience or entrepreneurial experience? You had to actually do a lot of stuff before you can do anything, provision a server. And this has all kind of been covered in great detail in the glory of Agile and whatnot. It was expensive. And you had to actually engineer before you could even stand up any code. Now you got video, that same thing's happening. So the developers have two choices.  Like building a data center or lean in on MUX and say, Hey, thank you for doing all that years of experience building up the stacks to take that hard part away, but using APIs that they have. This is a developer focused problem and you guys are solving. Yeah, that's right. My last company was a company called ZenCoder that was an API to video encoding. So it was kind of an API to a small part of what MUX does today, just one of those problems. And I think the thing that we got right at ZenCoder that we're doing again here at MUX was building for developers first. So our number one persona is a software developer, not necessarily a video expert, just we think any developer should be able to build with video, it shouldn't be like, you gotta go be a specialist to use this technology because it's such a, it should become just a primitive of the internet. Video should just be something that any developer can work with. So yeah, so we built for developers first, which means we spend a lot of time thinking about API design. We spent a lot of time thinking about documentation, transparent pricing, the right features, great support and all those kind of things that tend to be characteristics of good developer companies. Tell me about the pipelining of the products. I'm a developer, I work for a company, my boss was putting pressure on me. We need video, we have all this library, it's all stacking up. We hired some people, they left, where's the videos, it's stored somewhere. I mean, it's a nightmare, right? So I'm like, okay, I'm cloud native, I got an API. I need to get my product to market fast because that is what agile developers want. So how do you describe that acceleration for time to market? You mentioned you guys are API first, video first. How do these customers get their products into the market as fast as possible? Yeah, well, I mean, the first thing we do is we put what we think is probably on average, three, four months of hard engineering work behind a single API call. So if you wanna build a video platform, we tell our customers like, hey, you can do that. You probably need a team, you probably need video experts on your team, so hire them or train them. And then it takes several months just to kind of get video flowing. One API call at MUX gives you on-demand video or live video that works at scale, works around the world with good performance, good reliability, a rich feature set. So maybe just a couple of specific examples. So we worked with Robin Hood a few years ago to bring video into their newsfeed, which was hugely successful for them. And they went from talking to us for the first time to a big launch in, I think it was three months, but the actual code time there was like really short. I wanna say they had like a proof of concept up and running in a couple of days. And then the full launch in three months. Another customer bar is Bandcamp, I think switched from a legacy provider to MUX in two weeks end-to-end. So one of the big advantages of going a little bit higher in the abstraction layer than just building it yourself is that time to market. Talk about this notion of video pipeline, because I know I've heard people talk about, hey, I just want to get my product out there. I don't want to get stuck in the weeds on video pipeline. What does that mean for folks that aren't understanding the nuances of video? Yeah, I mean, it's all the steps that it takes to publish video. So from ingesting the video, if it's live video, from making sure that you have secure, reliable ingest of that live feed potentially around the world to the transcoding, which we talked a little bit about, but it is on its own is a massively complicated problem and doing that well, doing that well is hard. Part of the reason it's hard is you really have to know where you're publishing to and you might want to transcode video differently for different devices for different types of content. The pipeline typically would also include all of the workflow items you want to view with a video. You want to thumbnail a video. You want to create clips of the video. Maybe you want to re-stream the video to Facebook or Twitter or a social platform. You want to archive the video. You want it to be available for downloads after an event. If it's just, if it's a VOD upload, if it's not live in the first place, you have all the things and you might want to do simulated live with the video. You might want to actually record something and then play it back as a live stream. So the pipeline typically refers to everything from the ingest of the video to the time that the bits are delivered to a device. I hear a lot of people talking about video these days with its events, training, just want peer-to-peer experience. Video is powerful, but customers want to own their own platform. They want to have the infrastructure as a service. They kind of want platform as a service. This is cloud talk now, but they want to have their own capability to build it out. This allows them to get what they want. And so you see this like, is it SaaS? Is it platform? People want customization. So kind of the general purpose video solution doesn't really exist or does it? I mean, because this is the question. Can I just buy software and work or is it going to be customized always? How do you see that? Because this becomes a huge discussion point. Is it a SaaS product or someone's going to make a SaaS product? Yeah. So I think I think one of the most important elements of designing any software, but especially when you get an infrastructure, is choosing an abstraction level. So if you think of computing, you can go all the way down to building a data center. You can go all the way down to getting a colo and racking a server. Like maybe some of us used to do, who are older than others. And that's one way to run a server. On the other extreme, you have, just think of the early days of cloud computing. You had App Engine, which was a really fantastic, really incredible product. There was one push deploy of I think Python code, if I remember correctly, and everything just worked. But right in the middle of those, you had EC2, which was EC2 is basically an API to a server. And it turns out that that abstraction level, not colo, not the full App Engine kind of platform, but the API to a virtual server was the right abstraction level for maybe the last 15 years. Maybe now some of the higher level application platforms are doing really well. Maybe the needs will shift. But I think that that's a little bit of how we think about video. What developers want is an API to video. They don't want an API to the building blocks of video, an API to transcoding, to video storage, to edge caching. They want an API to video.  Shopify is great, but developers don't want to build on top of Shopify. In the payments world, developers want Stripe. And that abstraction level of the API to the actual thing you're getting tends to be the abstraction level that developers want to build on. And the reason for that is it's the most productive layer to build on. You get maximum flexibility and also maximum velocity when you have that API directly to a function-like video. So we like to tell our customers, like you own your video when you build on top of Mox. You have full control over everything, how it's stored, when it's stored, where it goes, how it's published. We handle all of the hard technology and we give our customers all of the flexibility in terms of designing their products. I want to get back to some use cases, but you brought that up. I might as well just jump to my next point. And I'd like you to come back and circle back on some references. I know you have some. You said building on infrastructure that you own. This is a fundamental cloud concept. You mentioned API to a server for the nerds out there that know that. That's cool, but the people who aren't super nerdy, that means you basically got an interface into a server behind the scenes. You're doing the same thing for video. So that is a big thing around building services. So what wide range of services can we expect beyond Mox? If I'm going to have an API into video, what could I do possibly? What sort of experience could you build? Yeah, I got a team of developers saying, I'm all in API to video. I don't want to do all that transit. Got it straight there. I want to build experiences, video experience on my app. Yeah, I mean, I think one way to think about it is that what's the range of key use cases that people do with video? We tend to think about six at Mox. One is kind of the places where the content is the product. So one of the things that you have video is you can create great video. I think of online courses or fitness or entertainment or news or things like that. That's kind of the first thing everyone thinks of when you think video, you think Netflix and that's great. But we see a lot of really interesting uses of video in the world of social media. So customers are as like VSCO, which is an incredible photo sharing application really for photographers who really care about the craft and they were able to bring video in and bring that same kind of VSCO experience to video using Mox. We think about B2B tools, videos. When you think about it, B2B is a high bandwidth way of communicating. And so customers are as like HubSpot use video for the marketing platform, for business collaboration. You'll see a lot of growth of video in terms of helping businesses engage with their customers or engage with their employees. We see live events, obviously, have been a massive category over the last few years. We were all forced into a world where we had to do live events two years ago, but I think now we're reemerging into a world where the online part of a conference will be just as important as the in-person component of a conference. So that's another big use case we see. Well, full disclosure, if you're watching this live right now, it's being powered by Mox. So shout out, we use Mox on the CUBE platform that you're experiencing this in real time. And that's just one application. There's many more. Video as code is, data as code is the theme. That's going to bring up the data ops. Video also is code because it's just, like you said, it's just communicating, but it gets converted to data. So data of ops, video ops could be its own new category. What's your reaction to that? Yeah, I mean, I think I have a couple of thoughts on that. The first thought is video is a way because of the way that companies interact with customers or users, it's really important to have good monitoring and analytics of your video. And so the first product we ever built was actually a product called Mox Data, which is the best way to monitor a video platform at scale. So we work with a lot of the big broadcasters. We work with like CBS and Fox Sports and Discovery. We work with big tech companies like Reddit and Vimeo to help them monitor their video. And you just get a huge amount of insight when you look at robust analytics about video delivery that you can use to optimize performance, to make sure that streaming works well globally, especially in hard to reach places or on every device. We actually built a Mox Data platform first because when we started Mox, we spent time with some of our friends at companies like YouTube and Netflix and got to know how they use data to power their video platforms. And they do really sophisticated things with data to ensure that their video streams well. And we wanted to build the product that would help everyone else do that. So that's one use. I think the other, the other obvious use is just really understanding what people are doing with their video, who's watching what, what's engaging, those kinds of things. Yeah, data is definitely there. You guys mentioned some great brands that are working with you guys. And they're doing it because of the developer experience. And I like you to explain, if you don't mind, in your words, why is the Mox developer experience so good? What are some of the results you're seeing from your customers? What are they saying to you? Obviously, when you win, you get good feedback. What are some of the things that they're saying and what specific developer experiences do they like the best?  And so we, you know, we get a lot of this, but it's always, we always pay attention to what customers say. But yeah, people, the number one thing developers say when they think about Mox is that the developer experience is great. That, well, I think when they say that, what they mean is two things. First is it's easy to work with, which helps them move faster, which software velocity is so important. Every company in the world is investing and wants to move quickly and to build quickly. And so if you can help a team speed up, that's massively valuable. The second thing I think when people like our developer experience is, you know, in a lot of ways, I think that we get out of the way and we let them do what they want to do. So well-designed APIs are a key part of that. Coming back to abstraction, making sure that you're not forcing customers into decisions that they actually want to make themselves. Like if we, if our video player only had one design, that would not be, that would not work for most developers because developers want to bring their own design and style and workflow and feel to their video. And so, yeah, so I think the way we do that is just think comprehensively about how does, how APIs are designed. Think about the workflows that users are trying to, trying to accomplish with video and make sure that we have the right APIs, make sure that they're with the right information. We have the right web hooks. We have the right SDKs, all of those things in place so that they can build what they want. We were just having a conversation on theCUBE, Dave Vellante and our team. And I'd love to get your reaction to this. And it's more of a riff real quick. We're seeing a trend where videos code, data as code, media stack, where you're starting to see the emergence of the media developer, where the application of media looks a lot like kind of software developer, where the app, media is an app. It could be a chat. It could be, you know, peer to peer video. It could be part of an event platform. But with all the recent advances in UX designers, coders, the front end looks like an emergence of these creators that are essentially media developers for all intents and purposes. They're coding media. And what's your reaction to that? How do you see that evolving? I think the- What do you agree with it? It's okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think a couple of things. I think one thing that I think this is, I think this goes along with your saying, but maybe it's disagreement is that we don't think you should have to be an expert at video or at media to create and produce or create and publish good video, good audio, good images, those kinds of things. And so, you know, I think if you look at software overall, think of 10 years ago, the kind of DevOps movement, there was kind of a movement away from specialization in software where the same software developer could build and deploy the same software developer maybe you could do front end and back end. And we want to bring that to video as well. So you don't have to be a specialist to do it. On the other hand, I do think that investments in tooling all the way from video creation, which is not our world, but there's a lot of amazing companies out there that are making it easier to produce video, to shoot video, to edit. A lot of interesting innovations there, all the way to what we do, which is helping people stream and publish video and video experiences. You know, I think another way to think about it is that tool set and companies doing that let anyone be a media developer, which I think is important. It's like DevOps turning into low code, no code. Eventually, it's just composability, almost like just, you know, hey Siri, give me some video, that kind of thing. Final question for you while I got you here. At the end of the day, the decision between a lot of people is build versus buy, I got a developer. Why not just roll my own? You mentioned data set. I want to build a data set. So why MUX versus do it yourself? Yeah, I mean, part of the reason we started this company is we have a pretty strong opinion on this. When you think about it, when we started MUX five years ago, six years ago, if you were a developer and you wanted to accept credit cards, if you wanted to bring payment processing into your application, you didn't go build a payment gateway. You just probably use Stripe.    Like we talked about, you know, probably three, four months of work to get something basic up and running, probably not live video. That's probably only on-demand video at that point. And you get no benefit by doing it yourself.  What you get is risk that you might not do a good job. Maybe you do worse than your competitors. And you also get distraction where you've just taken, you know, you take, take 10 engineers and 10 sprints and you apply it to your problem that doesn't actually really give you differentiated value to your users. So we started MUX so that people would not have to do that. It's fine if you want to build your own video platform once you get to a certain scale, if you can afford a dozen engineers for a VOD platform and you have some really massively differentiated use case, you know, maybe live is, I don't know, I don't have the rule of thumb. Live videos may be five times harder than on-demand video to work with.  You need to use your software team where they're maximally effective and where they're maximally effective is building differentiation into your products for your customers. And video is just not that. Like very few companies actually differentiate on their video technology. So we want to be that team for everyone else. We're 200 people building the absolute best video infrastructure as APIs for developers and making that available to everyone else. John, great to have you on with this showcase. Love the company. Love what you guys do. Videos code, data is code. Great stuff. Final plug for the company for the developers out there and prospects watching for MUX. Why should they go to MUX? What are you guys up to? What's the big benefit? I mean, first just check us out. Try our APIs, read our docs, talk to our support team. We put a lot of work into making our platform the best. You know, as you dig deeper, I think we'd be looking at the performance around the global performance of what we do, looking at our analytics stack and the insight you get into video streaming. We have an emerging open source video player that's really exciting and I think is going to be the direction that open source players go for the next decade. And then, you know, we're a quickly growing team. We're 60 people at the beginning of last year.  And this whole team is dedicated to building the best video infrastructure for developers. Great job, John. Thank you so much for spending the time, sharing the story of MUX here on the show, Amazon startup showcase season two, episode two. Thanks so much. Thank you, John. Okay, I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. This is season two, episode two, the ongoing series covering the most exciting startups from the AWS cloud ecosystem, talking data analytics here, video cloud, video as a service, video infrastructure, video APIs, hottest thing going on right now. And you're watching it live here on theCUBE. Thanks for watching.


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How's it going Anthony Johnson here today found her 21 studios happy Monday. This is new episode 21 live and infrequent interview series that do speak out influences influencers in the man's fear on 21 studios on YouTube What shit? Sorry I had some feedback there perfect So today on this show also known as Bob Lewis author of the Feminist slide a family paralegal for pretending a father or two has been divorced twice and won custody both times He's also on YouTube at miss Andrew today, and I think his website is also missandrytoday.com Is that right? That's correct. Cool. Welcome to show man. Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you Yeah, um, God, it's been it's great to be here. I know we talked before on the red man group It was actually a lot of fun. It was great Yeah, I think it was one of the best episodes that was about a month ago you guys are watching now on our channel They're on the red man group YouTube channel check it out. It was awesome I was really I had high expectations reading the book and promoting your book at our conference But you would you exceeded that by a long shot and we love to have you back on Yeah, it sounds like something we definitely need to make happen Yeah, you also have an interview recently did with Richard Cooper right on entrepreneurs and cars I did I did we talked a little bit about divorce and some of the issues with family law Okay, cool. I'll make sure to put a link to that in the video description after the show and everybody should go watch that I'll put links to also There's actually a link now to your book on Amazon So everybody watching throughout the show if you want his book But you should you can buy it right in the description and then also put a link to your channel to to get Everyone over to that right on I appreciate it So there's a few topics that I want to talk to you about today We're talking before the you know, we went live here about legal issues with new platforms like gab mine stuff like that Some videos you're working on But the main one that really caught my attention when I first talked to you was extended family during the red man group show We did together You talked about the fall the extended family, which you know, you hear about the collapse of the family values and nuclear family Everything related to that from feminism to the man is fear to masculinity to you know divorce all that stuff But I had never heard anyone in the man is fear talk at length about the fall the extended family like you did And it really caught my attention on both a professional level working with you know, my media company as well as on a personal level Not everyone knows us, but a few of the speakers do that about two and a half months ago One of my second cousins 20 years old killed himself And as far as I know it was over a girl and kind of blue pill lies and blue pill ideas The drive men of any age to depression and actions like that like killing yourself in this case It was a gunshot right in the middle of a football field He being a 20 year old star athlete and he was someone extended family obviously one of my distant cousins and You know, like we talked about for the show I've only met him a few times in my life and now that opportunity is gone and we had discussed a little bit about that But that's a large part why this caught my attention both specifically and in general That was not an isolated extreme cases or the most extreme case of seeing what a lack of family values and a lack So I like to talk a little bit about that what your basic ideas are And why men in the man's sphere needs to understand this as opposed to right now where they just don't know much about it Or it's not like a topic focus Okay Well, here's the thing when you talk about extended family Well, let's let's take even go a step back. All right So in the last 50 or 60 years when the second wave feminism kind of rose and took over society there was a huge argument between The idea of feminism or women being free and the idea of nuclear family and how feminists were destroying their nuclear family That was like the big the big push and so they're like, well They wanted to frame the argument that being single and being an empowered woman Was more important than a nuclear family and in some cases that was true for the woman however What they failed to talk about was the extended family because a lot of times what people don't understand and I knew this because you know Like you said in the beginning.  You're gonna go through situations with your children at their school or in the local community or interacting with the children's friends or the children's friends family and As the grandfather the grandfather will have already gone through many of those things and will be able to provide advice and say This is what you want to stay away from. This is what you want to absolutely do Here's something you may want to think about and will give you a level of insight and mentorship through those phases of your life as an adult That only your grandfather or your uncle or the prior generation can give because they're gonna have that institutional memory and the idea of Of this nuclear family the mother and the father don't get that so I mean and this is this is also true for women as well So, you know if women have a married mother Who was married, you know in her 20s or even you know late teens and she's been married for 30 years She's probably gonna be able to give a little better advice Than a single mom who's been riding the cot carousel until the wheels fell off. Yeah, so You know and again aunts and uncles and extended family. The other piece of that is is that? Going to family gatherings Participated in those family events participated in family functions that's the cornerstone of our society and Strong families make strong communities and they've done studies about this. I talk about this In in chapter three of my book in the first half I talk about the strength of Families that you know have a husband and a wife in the bonds of marriage who practice Judeo-Christian American values those families They do better their children have better outcomes. So This isn't just my personal opinion and I can give you a couple examples of where Extended families made the difference between failure and success and and it's funny because feminists always talk about this but they don't actually tell the truth because feminists always lie and I always say liars always lie. So what you catch them in one light and catch them in a bunch But the two examples I'm gonna provide are Bill Clinton Former president Bill Clinton and former president Barack Obama In both of those cases those were children of single mothers who had abandoned them to their grandparents It is their grandparents and the values instilled by their grandparents That caused them to rise to the levels. They did it was the structure. It was the Mentorship it was the teaching it was the personal responsibility that was taught to these people That caused them to rise to the level they did both of them were attorneys both of them excelled academically Both of them excelled in politics and both became leaders of our country And it had nothing to do with being children of single mothers because their moms abandoned them It had to do with the fact that their grandparents Participated in raising them and you see this all the time you look at look at families and look at individuals who come from Families where you know, they've got the family photo and there's 15 of them. Yeah Even Trump, but I don't know when he was running together for Christmas and it's Exactly and families Yeah, and those families are close and that's what I'm saying Trump is a perfect example of that. Yeah Yeah, I've been having some challenges lately, I apologize So yeah, so I think that when it comes to The extended family we don't give it any kind of value and that's the problem because again Everybody wants you to talk about the a nuclear family because they once you talk about the nuclear family now They can have the conversation they want to have when the reality is when you're discussing family You need to include all of it. You need to include the extended family. So because you can't let's go on something That's going to come into mind here.  This guy's on to something. I think it's what we're starting to tap into with this I really I really like it a lot Yeah, and I think that it's important to talk about because again, you know, we're we're we're trying to have the conversation We want to have and like if you listen to Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro is an extremely noted debater and one of the things he says is Don't let the other side reframe your argument And here let me give you an example of a reframe Man a says to man be I oppose feminism Then man B says to man a so you hate women That's how feminists reframe Yeah, feminism is not a gender. It is an ideology.  Someone asked me this the other day on a radio show I went on, you know, what do you say to people?   And so I I always tell people Right and I and I always say to them I said actually you're not asking the right question and they're like, well, what is the right question? Well, the right question is do you hate feminism and that answer is yes But feminism isn't a gender Feminism is an ideology and and I don't hate women and more importantly I have two daughters So why would I oppose feminism and hate women that that makes no sense to me? And and once you present it like that then they understand it and they back off of that argument And that's an argument that most people don't really know how to make. Well, when you talk about The nuclear family, that's the argument that feminists want you to make That's the argument that social justice warriors want you to make so Basically instead you say, well, we're not talking about just the nuclear family, which is mom dad and kids We need to talk about the extended family as well because that they play a huge role in raising of children and in Not only personal stability, but in familial stability, which in turn creates greater community stability Yeah, yeah, we you know the man is here. It's common You know common idea that you know the parent, you know two parents at the same time is immensely valuable to child's life We have never heard anyone put it like you do that it takes more than two parents to raise a child Not the village crap that the leftist put, you know, it's not it's not unimportant of the good community But the extended family I think is like it's huge and a lack of that's really dangerous But you see it you see that's but that's where that leftist, you know, village to raise a family bullshit comes from Because they understand they even understand that's a reframe as well Because they understand government is what they mean.  You dropped the bomb This is fantastic. So something else that came to mind here at Lear and you talk about this is it It sounds like by cleverly omitting any discussion and importance placed on extended family That's yet another way feminists have attacked fathers and men and masculinity and like positive patriarchy Like literally this can building families and it's a very clever way to do it Oh, I agree and and yeah, and you have to understand that the best way to attack your opponent is to ignore your opponent's existence So that's what they do. They want you to look over to the right while they're moving to the left Damn What are some more specific ways that this affects, uh, you know, let's say There's a lot of guys watching this channel in the 20s that have problems with women can't talk to women Are interested in pickup ideas red pill ideas stuff like that What are the more specific ways this may have affected them that they don't realize? Like in my case, I give the example my cousin who killed himself. That's like really extreme case Let me give let me give an example from a friend of mine's life. Okay. I have a friend of mine. Um, I guess I mean He has a lot of luck with women. He's definitely a pickup artist type, you know He he goes out and fires and forgets that's his thing. He's probably 40 years old. He's got one child He actually planned that child They went and got in vitro and the whole thing and he's got a daughter And you know, and he's a good father But he sat and told me one time he said look he said I can't have a relationship with a woman I don't trust him. Uh, I'm not going to be loyal to them.   That's a history of negative interaction with women So men who are raised in broken homes are going to have a more difficult time Establishing long-term relationships with women. Now again as a migthal man I'm migthal for a variety of different reasons Many of them legal reasons But for those men that are not migthal who want to have connections with women The thing that I would tell them is you need to have connections with your family You need to have good relations with your family If if not your mom and your dad alone your grandparents your uncles your cousins your you know get together with these people Have barbecues with them make a point once a month of going out of your way to do something to call them to email them Maybe just sit down and watch football together or something, you know something so that you have face time with these people because The stronger bonds you have with your family Not only is that going to benefit you as a younger man It's going to benefit them as well because steel sharpens steel and many of the experiences you're going through They've already been through as your elders and on top of that because of technology changes and cultural and societal changes You might be able to bring them up to speed on things too So there's a lot of give and take there and there's a lot of education that can occur from both sides of the fence Yeah, I want to pause there too. You mentioned migtail a minute ago. I know the under the red man group. You describe yourself as migtail light As opposed to like hardcore migtail or some other different level of it Can you describe in like the basic detail what migtail is and why you describe yourself from time to time as migtail light? Well, I don't describe myself as migtail light I describe myself as migtail and and let me kind of talk about that for a second because again When you talk to different migtail men or men going their own way Every one of them has a different flavor that they choose, right? But at its most base level All migtail is the philosophy starts and ends here. Okay it's avoiding marriage and avoiding maritricious relationships and The other side of it is is is you don't define yourself Based on gynocentrism or based on a feminist idea of what you should be You define yourself based on your values and the fulfillment you can find in your life Free from female validation That's it so Some migtail men are like, oh, you can't talk to women at all and you can't associate with women Those types and I think that that goes a little bit extreme. I mean, it's their choice But I disagree with it personally Yeah, and I didn't mean to mischaracterize what you'd said. I'm pretty sure this is like Yeah, yeah, it's fine Yeah, I just wanted to clarify Yeah Yeah, and you've also done you've done a show You know an ongoing show with the turfling a monkey for well, too, right? Is that still going on? Or is that something uh, um, I've put on pause for now I've got a couple things I'm doing in my in my personal life that I'm trying to make sure that happens And I'm working on my next book and I'm changing the way I'm doing my video content Um And so I'm trying to really focus on those things for the next couple months just to try to get that stuff up and running And then as I have time I usually will either drop into the tfm show on saturday nights at 7 p.m. Pacific standard time hashtag shill alert Or I will jump in on the turd flinging monkey 420 show at 8 a.m. Pacific standard time on wednesday mornings But when I don't have time for those things I I usually don't jump in so but I've been doing a lot more traveling Been doing some things with the family been doing some things entrepreneurially on my own Not online and then in addition to writing my book So I've really been pushing on on just a lot of different areas And I've been pushing in the way I've been making content because As I learned more about content production My production time has gone way down damn Yeah, you mentioned you're really up in a video for the books from even the Yeah, yeah, you broke up on my end a little bit. I think that's my internet not yours Yeah, yeah, so I was asking uh, do you have any even you mentioned before the show you're really amping a video production I watched we're gonna talk about one in a minute to the made lab. I saw last night I think it published recently about PayPal stripe new platforms But I was asking do you have new books in the works too a sequel? The second book that I have I'm about divorce rape culture and it basically it's a handbook to help men who Are going through the divorce process. Maybe they're going through paternity Or maybe they've been falsely accused of either domestic violence or sexual assault And it's kind of a handbook to kind of help those types of men out So that they can kind of carry it with them Sort of like the feminist lie where the feminist lie is written more like a handbook rather than a narrative and so I'm working on that that book is kind of developing a little bit more slowly because there's been some Uh developments in as far as like either areas I wanted I wanted to flesh out once I started writing it I'm like, oh, I better explain this and that actually Made me change the direction of the book.  I actually was looking for a book here. I'm going to be able to talk Have you heard of a book called broken the rise of radical feminism? I have not Yeah, it's one conference alongside yours. I wasn't asking what your thoughts were on it. Um, I'll send you a link after the show. It's a shorter version of your book It's not like a handbook. It's more so focusing on the rise of like really radical Feminism modern shit and how that's aligned itself With like I'm pretty interesting and I like to know you think about in the future Well, I can tell you this that when it comes to second wave feminists Many of those feminists before forbearers of current feminism almost every one of them were communists and socialists So, I mean, there's a when you talk about rat radfems. There were many feminist Movements in the 60s in the 70s that were actually communist organizations. I even actually went into one of them In my book in chapter two Okay Dan so Go ahead.  Let's uh, let's switch topics a little bit You put out a video recently on subscribe star paypal stripe gab mines basically new platforms getting deep platformed by payment processors And that was based I wanted to talk about that a little bit because you did a video on why these companies aren't getting sued If they should be one of these companies, but the payment processors specifically Well, I think the big the big issue with a lot of payment processors Is that they do not want bad optics for people they do business with right? Um and in some cases like when it comes to money laundering for drug dealers and things like that They definitely don't want to do business with them because they don't want the government coming in and shutting them down Well, of course the problem is is that you have advocates like the southern poverty law center Who contact these payment processors and publicly pressured them into stopping to do business With organizations the southern the southern poverty law center disagrees with now and just so we're clear The southern poverty law center has admitted that it's hate groups and the groups that it labels as extremists They're not labeled as such because of illegal activity or discriminatory activity Or anything else they admit the reason they target these people is because of ideological disagreement alone so Just because they disagree with somebody That's a reason to hate them and anybody they disagree with They want to destroy and I go into this in in one of I forget which video it was It was one of my southern poverty law center videos, but this is what they want to do This is what their people actually have been publicly recorded as saying so These the southern poverty law center and groups like it have contacted mastercard and visa and stripe and paypal and have said If you allow people to do hate speech on your platforms We're going to target you for destruction And the southern poverty law center they get sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars every year. They're super deep pockets and Yeah, yeah, they're they're loaded with cash All right, and I've looked at their financials.  Like ruche v's Returning kings Oh the comment platform. He got kicked off, right? He got kicked off that. Oh, yeah, they labeled him and and ruche v's He's again.  It's savage what they do what they do to them.  Okay, number one Ginsburg is going to slip on a bar of soap and she's probably going to be dead Okay, okay, which which means you're going to get another conservative Yeah, she's old. She's she's older than yoda. Okay. I mean she can't even swing a white a lightsaber anymore So there you go and and and secondly there's a conservative court now and two of the justices on the conservative court Were victims of false rape accusations That's right So now we have a friendly court that is going to be willing to accept a case because this would be a first case of It's kind and and now when you talk about subscribe star and bit shoot And uh, oh gosh, who was the other one uh gab gab and mines.  Anytime you do it the do this That's tortuous interference with a business relationship and the fact is is that You can actually take interviews like there's an interview from the guy who runs patreon That I saw when they d platform sargon and he actually admitted the tech giants get together and call each other They're friends.  They've got each other on speed dial They get together to coordinate. There've been news articles where these people get together and they have meetings This is at the ceo level This is censorship at the ceo level and it is ideological bigotry And i'm saying that you could sue them for conspiracy And then during the discovery phase you issue subpoenas and you say where were you in this day and time? When did you meet with this other ceo now?  Exactly all of them They could all join the lawsuit and now you have a class action and you you change the way social media happens in the united states Now given i don't follow what you're saying and I agree with you But given that what is do you think there's a reason thus far that gav and mines who both have like I think Seven million dollars on hand or they've raised seven million dollars. Is there a reason they haven't done this yet? You think they're waiting to do it. I mean, obviously i'm sure they're discussing it Well, I think that part of it is the um is the startup mindset You know the big thing about startups is is that like you look from 2000 to now A lot of the startups what they would do is they'd raise that money and it would fund a lavish lifestyle And you know not as much of that money would go into the business as it would If these guys were living more of a minimalistic lifestyle and save that money as a war chest They could hire a constitutional attorney to file this lawsuit against them I mean, so I think that's part of it. The other part of it is is that the majority of the legal profession is absolutely cucked I mean you look at the kavinoff hearings, for example, the american bar association went on record and said it opposed due process How is it pretty disgusting? It is and and and it's it's it's a violation Of all its ethical values I mean Above and beyond the fact that that it demonstrates that the american bar association is completely bigoted. It violates its own values in doing so Yeah, completely compromised Yeah, it's like everything else in culture today.  I mean you're on the same page man soon. How fuck it Well, in my opinion is this this is how the left got power If you look at the 60s in the 70s in the 80s in the 90s The way the left was able to control the narrative and the conversation was through the courts Now I take this from a martial arts background.  Okay, just because somebody is unwilling to use a sword doesn't mean that they cannot die by one And so when you have an opponent who wants to destroy you destroy your identity and destroy everything about you You use all the tools at your disposal And on top of that if their tools work you might as well use their tools against them Using these lawsuits to defend free speech rights using these lawsuits To fight back against socialist and communist bigotry That's the tool they've been using for decades They're afraid to use that tool now because the supreme court no longer sides with them We are ushered into a new era with the trump presidency We have for the first time I think in like 34 years We have a conservative supreme court. That's huge So if people don't understand how how important that is We need to get as many lawsuits in front of this new supreme court as we can So that we can change the culture back to traditional american values Yeah, no, you mentioned Donald trump. I haven't actually seen you do any content or videos on him before Let's talk about him a little bit. What are your basic thoughts on him from a migtap perspective? Or from a man like a man's perspective today in the man's sphere um I don't think he's a true conservative and that's okay um But I think that we dodged a huge bullet by electing him And I think that's a good thing. I know that he cares about the country.  What's going on there, buddy? Mm-hmm.  That's what last week. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was right there. That's that's that's like, uh That's like grand master level trolling. It's awesome Um, and and nobody knows what to do with him.   I don't know if you saw that as well Well, yeah, and I think that the other piece of it is is that this the me too movement woke a lot of men up And I think it woke up a lot of feminist men, which is why you're seeing the walk away movement Um, you know as a as a as a migtail content creator One of the things that I look at is, you know, how do I support men? How do I help men? How do I educate men? How do I redpill men? At least those who are ready? Okay, once these men are redpilled How do I teach them to protect themselves? And the best way for me to do that is to educate them So i'll talk about the southern poverty law center because they fund feminist bigots who go after men Okay, I do talk about the misuse of taxpayer dollars because not only does that hurt men It hurts everybody because even women who are breadwinners are having their money stolen to discriminate against men So when these women want to go out and get married or they want to go out and have a relationship And these men tell them to go fuck themselves Now they know why So This is a problem that affects everybody and it has disastrous consequences for our society And being able to educate people about this so that they can make a decision Or at least an informed decision of whether or not to do something about it.  We talked about before the show So you mentioned a concept that you want to If i'm if i'm interpreting it right you use your platform and what you're doing to fight enemies of men Enemies of men Yeah, and one of the ways I see that is I see for example the migtail community as a distinct tribe in the Manisphere that's operating parallel in a boat community as well as the men's right community as well as the pickup artist community That one's kind of like, you know falling apart at this point, but the red pill is pretty Tether like really popular at this point. So what did you mean by that the enemies of men or the enemies of man and You know building like building a common platform like the red man group Where we brought in guys like you and tfm as well as guys with the red pill in the pickup artist community Well, I think that what we need to do as men is we need to focus on where we agree In other words, what is our common ground? Once we've determined what our common ground is and we've created a dialogue Now we can actually have civil disagreement because we come from a level of mutual respect because the idea is this Truth is the product of of steel sharpening steel So the only way we as men Become better Is not necessarily through competition but through Basically sending our ideas through a crucible of debate So in other words, you know, if you challenge my ideas Or if the red man groups challenges my ideas as migtail now, I have to defend them and in defending those ideas I can determine whether or not those ideas are viable or they're the truth or they're something else And the red man group or any individual who chooses to challenge me on my migtail views Maybe they gain something from that as well And and they and their ideas and their belief systems and their positions are challenged as well This is what I mean by steel sharpening steel. So we don't necessarily always have to agree All the time But in the areas where we disagree, we should still be able to engage in dialogue and challenge each other's ideas From a position of mutual respect where possible So being able to talk about the enemies of man The reality is is that feminists and bigots like them.   So these are the enemies of men and and more importantly We see this all the time. I mean in england, for example The schools have just now started teaching That boys can have periods Now, holy, that's that's complete science denial And and I mean, you know with the exception of manjinas, but the point is Is that the reality is is completely different, you know, and so when we're when we're teaching science denial in our school We've ab abdicated Our responsibility to our children to educate them because the idea of educating our children and the next generation Is to educate them in truth not lies And when you're a science denier, you are a liar period Yeah, we're denying them. We're indoctrinating them instead of teaching them to think for themselves and find the truth search for the truth and discover it Oh, yeah, yeah, I read another I read another story and again This is nothing against the trans community, but I read another story recently where organ The state welfare system in organ is paying for trans surgery. Okay This is a story that I read it. It was about nine different trans individuals who went who underwent the gender reassignment surgery And you know what they what did not happen Well, wait, is that how you became a transgender masculine and lesbian? No, that's a social construct Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt. No, but let me ask you let me ask you the question though Since you brought that up Yeah What is the difference between a masculine presenting transgender lesbian and a heterosexual male? Online personas And there it is Yeah But there's no but there's but there's no difference in action Yeah So but anyway back back to the back to the transgender thing So these nine guys went to go have their gender reassignment surgery and you know what they told the person interviewing them What not a sink not a single one went through a psyche valve Not a single one Did got any kind of psychological testing of any kind to determine whether or not being transgender was right for them And any seconders today still view it as a as a mental disorder. Are they used to at least? With the dsm4 it was considered a it was considered a mental health issue with the dsm5 it is not any longer There's certain there's certain occasions in which it is But it's they're trying to limit the definition because they're pushing for trans acceptance But the other side of that is is that these nine guys after they went through the transgender surgery Every one of them had negative side effects because the person doing the surgery didn't know what the fuck they were doing And so every one of these people now have permanent damage as a result of this surgery The point i'm trying to make is is that They're so busy pushing transgender ideology under everybody that anytime somebody says hey I think I might not be a male or they question their sexual identity, right? They just drag them kicking and screaming to to gender reassignment surgery or to hormone therapy or to everything else These are the enemies of man Yeah, they're not even doing basic due diligence. It sounds like not even though it was basic like, you know Is this person even mentally healthy with shit? Well, I mean that's that should be part of the Hippocratic oath, right? I mean, that's the Hippocratic oath for doctors and physicians is is to You know do no harm and yet how can you say that you're doing no harm? When the reality is is that you never even measured the harm That's like that's like seeing some guy who walks into er and you see that they're having stomach pain and you're like Oh, you're having a heart attack and you didn't run any tests So now you're doing open heart surgery on somebody and maybe you know, he has irritable bowel syndrome Yeah Say that again My internet's breaking up a little bit. I apologize. Go on Okay, so rollo Tomasi asked a chat a track question a minute ago He said ask ddj about the drag queen 10 year old working at a gay club now I think this is a new york city recently a couple days ago. I saw an article on this All right, let me let me address that real quick. Okay. I'm going to address this from a family law perspective. All right How old do you have to be as a child to consent for sex? This is not a rhetorical question uh In most of america, I would imagine it's a state other i know in florida for example, you can be like 15 and you can send I think up to someone who's like Three or something like that Okay, that's right. Right. But my point is is that okay, so you have to be over the age of 10, right? Yeah, world.   Let's let's just be real about this for a second.  They're not responsible. That's the point In fact, if you take a teacher in a in a student, right? And and the teacher has sex with the student even if the student is of the age of consent That is still considered sexual assault in every state in the country Yet we have these children Who are being groomed because i'll tell you what the behaviors that they're doing to indoctrinate these trans children Are the same behaviors that child abusers use to groom Children to be sexually assaulted. They are the same exact techniques. And if you listen to the transgender people, especially I think one of the guys who did the Transgender story hour the drag queen story hour. He actually admitted his goal was to groom children So that should tell you everything that you need to know and the american college of pediatricians is actually spoken out Against grooming children with trans ideology This is a top down function. Let's let's let me let me take this a step further for a second And again, if you're trans and you're listening to this, I have nothing against you But when you're talking about children, this is a a horse of a different color Let's talk about trans ideology for a second. Here are some facts Between four and five thousand people in the united states have undergone gender reassignment surgery The entire population of the trans community in the united states is less than one percent It hovers about 0.7 of a percent. Okay in a nation of three hundred and 40 million people 70 percent of all men who identify as trans spontaneously revert More and more men who undergo the gender reassignment surgery for women regret it And they end up getting a reassignment surgery to go back and their lives are forever changed. Okay Russia today did a documentary about this About how and I forget the name of the documentary But they did a documentary about how these these people were regretting trans surgery and they wanted to go back There was a student at a college last year Who is a part of a graduate program wanted to do a study on trans regret The college didn't want to fund it because they didn't want to be seen as a hate group So when you're talking about indoctrinating children who are not old enough to buy alcohol They're not old enough to consent to sex. They're not considered legally responsible You know, you can't even enter them into a contract This is why facebook says you can't make a facebook account unless you're 13 And if you're a minor you can't like buy a car or get a loan or anything like that because you're not legally responsible So basically what they're trying to say is is that people who are not legally responsible for any decisions in life Are supposed to be able to determine whether or not they're male or female especially Go ahead and they're crazy. Yes, they're building, right? Yeah, yeah Yeah, and again, I I don't have a problem with trans individuals I've actually had some friends who are trans, but I disagree with the ideology because there's no biological support for it There's no biological support In the history of biology and the history of the world that says that mammals can change gender If you could show me the science that shows that that mammals can switch from male to female to biological male to biological female I'd support you But right now it just looks like science denial Yeah, you know, it also reminds me of it. I know the different issues obviously So this is not the same thing, but it's something that seems to be happening in parallel to at least a minimal degree Is you I've seen articles pushing, uh, pedophilia as like a sexual Orientation or something like that.  Do you have any thoughts on that?   You see alcoholics should stay away from alcohol, right? Pedophiles should stay away from children. It's the same thing and and and pedophiles who commit the crimes I think I mean listen You go into any county Of a reasonably sized population in the united states, okay?  I'll tell you you want to stop pedophilia? Let let some of them get the death sentence And and and and watch how quickly pedophilia goes away And I would also be familiar with it, but there's a story. I don't know if it's a story, but I've seen dr Robert Hare a like a researcher on psychopathy The eskimos even a hundred years ago. They when they had issues like this in their tribes, you know, and wherever they're at They would uh, they'd kill people like this. They wouldn't uh, so we need americans in the united states Yeah, exactly any kind of behavior. There's like super predator like this. They instantly just kill the guy They wouldn't like debate it. It wouldn't be like that.  Well, and and that's the thing though is is that what's even even worse today is is that Now we have a culture of false allegations And in my book in chapter five, I talk about how false allegations Get people killed I mean, yeah, we still have to have our rule of law We still have to have our due process because we got to make sure we're killing the right person But once we absolutely know that this is the right person You know, we shouldn't wait 15 years to put them down Yeah Yeah, I think that's one of the most disgusting things you don't even see talked about very much with me too movement Is a false allegations that delegitimize real accusations of rape domestic violence All kinds of shit like that.  I want to say he's either in texas or california.  And i'm not trying to demonize men or anything like that But i'm just saying that when we talk about this stuff, we have to talk about the truth because i'll tell you as men Not only do we need to protect ourselves from false allegations But we need to take care of the cancer that's in our own ranks as well Yeah Now personality disorders are really fucking serious male or female and the female ones are even you know They have the cover of the living in a gynecocracy living in a feminist empire.   I mean comedians are talking about them There was one guy he posted this this comedy video I think it's ryan davis he posted a two minute video in january of this year Talking about oh my god and he showed pictures of this sex doll Which looks extremely lifelike and it's hilarious because all these women on twitter We're like oh, well, can she cook or can she clean or you know, can she do this? Can't she do that and it's like look you guys are feminists you ain't doing it either. So You know you had one job Yeah You know you had one job and and and when men turn to a sex doll Instead of a woman That tells you how bad the social contract between men and women has actually gotten that there's actually a demographic for this Okay, that should tell you everything you need to know. So when you're talking about collapsing basically at this point Yeah, yeah, so when you talk about the these bpd women or uh, what my buddy grizzly likes to call Cluster b cluster fox Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah, you know, you know when you talk about these women I mean these women are becoming more and more common because society is indoctrinating more on the line So they they're like I can do whatever I want with my sexuality Without realizing that there are long-term consequences not just for them But for everybody around them and and at the end of the day It's no good for society. Now. Here's here's a sad part A woman who has a high notch count Typically can't pair bond with a man and will report lower sexual satisfaction But a man who goes out and has a higher sex count or higher sexual partner count before marriage That he doesn't he typically doesn't have that problem Yeah, because men and women women are different. So I mean again, this is this is this is one of one level knowledge here But it's just it's hilarious because these people act as though Oh, I you know my body my choice and he's like, yeah, your choice your consequences and no, we're not Yep Yeah, I was gonna say with that too. Uh, well first thing I wanted to comment You made a you know by a minute or two ago on prostitution at least we're on the same page Like even having been accidentally sort of married to one like unofficially Uh, even before that time as a libertarian like a ron paul guy now a trump guy I'm all for a prostitution being legalized.  Uh, they can be just fine pair bonding the woman I've never seen a woman in my life.  It's gotta be less than one percent of women that are able to do that For whatever reason, maybe they're autistic or something like that.  Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say They're basically self traumatizing themselves and then they're unable to do that more and more and more and more As every year that goes on with more technology and less consequences and more social approval for the stuff Yeah, right and I and I will say this though that even even men who have not heard of red pill knowledge And men who have not heard of like migtail or any of this other stuff They're starting to see it Like they're staying away from these women or their friends with them Or these women will brag about their exploits and these men are like, okay And then the woman will try to come on to them and the guys are like, yeah That would be great to have sex with you, but I got a Christmas party. I got to go to but it's march Yeah, it's Christmas somewhere in the universe. I got to go by so You know, it's it's one of those scenarios where I mean guys are waking up to some of this stuff And they need to understand that you know, there are threats there especially with the the me too generation Yeah, yeah 100% Damn, this has been awesome at having you on it's uh, I feel like the longer we go the more meat we get into with this stuff Uh, it is 409 so we got a few minutes left before we got to wrap up Uh, can we let's I want to actually refocus now back in the original my original interest in having you on my main one Anyway, out of you know, several we could go over and we have gone over Well, let's let's kind of circle back to extended family Um, what are some more in-depth points? Do you think many to understand that are watching this that are into migtail that are into red pill that are into P way or whatever whatever they have going on Points maybe that they could utilize or a minimum just need to understand Like what's going on with that right now extended family? I think for the younger guys I think that one of the things that they should consider is this When guys walk into a situation, especially, you know alpha guys or guys who are a type personality or guys that have that Executive mindset, right? They walk into a driven exactly They'll walk into an area and they won't understand something and they'll think there's something wrong with whatever the Circumstances they walked into is rather than rather than considering that they themselves are ignorant So if if they see something they don't understand they're like, oh, there's a problem here Well, the problem is Sometimes is that they don't understand. It's not that there's a problem with the situation The problem is their comprehension level and that comes from the from the idea that we as men Especially a type personalities and and I myself have been guilty of this Is that you walk into a situation? You'll think you'll understand what's going on and you really fucking don't So I I say to guys all the time You don't believe anything you hear and you only believe half of what you see Because what you see you might be seeing out of context And when you when so when you look at a set of situations or you look at a set of circumstances Always be open open to the idea that maybe You're not looking at it correctly or you're more ignorant than you think you are and this is especially important when you're talking about the extended family You're going to have uncles you're going to have fathers and grandfathers and older men from prior generations And they're going to do things and they may not be skilled communicators And so you need to watch them and study them and see what they do and then eventually ask them why they do it the Way they do so you can understand that maybe in their set of circumstances This is the right way to do things Or maybe they made a mistake down the line and this is why they do it the way they do and even though it may seem counter-intuitive You might find it's the right way to do things if you're willing to learn from your elders The reason that they're older than you is because they survive more shit I was just gonna say that yeah the fact that they're older at all means is they haven't fucking died yet Yeah, exactly now and again, I'm not saying that that we should always defer to people based on age I'm saying that we should be willing to learn because Everybody has something to teach even if it's to avoid the wrong way of doing something Yeah, and especially with your extended family You know the thing about family is this we always want our children and our grandchildren to be better off than we were So and that's the same that's true with our father Our uncles our aunts our mother our grandmothers You know and yeah some of them might be cluster b clusterfucks when it comes to the women And maybe some of the men are alcoholics or whatever But catch them when they're not catch them catch them when they've got that same moment or you know when something else is going on But just be available because again, you have to understand there's going to be a generational gap The more you have that face time the more you demonstrate that investment The more they will open up to you because if you can build those bridges That have been maybe destroyed or maybe you know because life happens and you move away from your folks And you'll get a chance to talk to them as much Um These people still miss you you still miss them and you're going to find that as men going through life You're going to be happy having those family connections with your family and you won't feel Lonely in avoiding marriage So this idea of socially isolating yourself from everybody. That's a mistake. We all need connections with humans or social animals So having those family connections are important, you know and and saying to your to your mom or your dad or your aunt or your uncle Look, we disagree on this, but I agree with you on these other things and this relationship is important to me Let's just not talk about that and let's agree not to talk about that and move on with the rest of it And you may find they're like shit. That sounds like a great idea next thing You guys know is you know, you're having a beer and you're watching the game and everything's fine Hmm Yeah, what comes to mind too hearing you say this is that young men are either going to learn this the hard way or the easy way They can learn the easy way by listening to speakers like you and from the convention and stuff like that in the red man group Or they can learn it the hard way And that could be you know, like family court stuff divorce knocking chicks up cluster b cluster fucks I've been through that so it's helpful guys in the red man group So yeah, I've read many anybody younger than myself. I'm feeling and I'm not that old yet at 30 But I was 20 not that long ago and it is hard to listen to that aged older men Especially now when you know all the propaganda you're being fed about toxic masculinity all that bullshit You're learning the easy way the hard way.  It's up to you how you want to learn Exactly And the other thing I would say is this is you know, trust but verify in other words do your homework and take Take the ownership To learn for yourself because again, you know something that one guy does may not work for you because you have a different set Of circumstances. So, you know, it's like what carpenter say, you know, if you listen to a journeyman carpenter, they'll tell you first and foremost There are at least six different ways to build a house correctly and Nobody has the perfect way to build a house because you're always going to have to to build it differently based on circumstances Life is the same way wisdom when it comes to men is the same way You know, we all have different lives and different experiences and things like that and and depending on our circumstances Some people some lessons will resonate with us better than others And so, you know, even if we don't resonate with one person, that's why there's more than one person out there that's why you guys have the red man group because You know, maybe maybe rollo might be able to connect to somebody that you can't or maybe they'll connect with you Or maybe they can't connect to rollo and and that's okay because we all have those personalities and those You know differences Based on our life experience where we will connect with one person easier than another and and that's actually You might appreciate this quite a bit. I was thinking the other day about my conference the 21 convention I've done it 15 times now And something that I was thinking about that I don't think a lot of people realize a lot of men Is that every time I bring a speaker on that stage usually Every time we're almost every time somewhere between the 99 100 of the time I'm bringing that guy up there because I believe firmly. I mean 100 times. I need to believe it You know, whether or not the pans out long term That's a different story.   So I apologize But yeah, no, I think that it's important that you say that because again steel sharp and steel You know, we all have Expertises and we all have like I said something to contribute and and I think that you bring up a valid point And that is that we all need to be a little bit humble when we're talking to other people because again You know, maybe this person may not be as knowledgeable about what we know But they may know things that we don't and we need to get to know them long enough to listen Yep, I will say too that one thing comes to mind is that uh You know, there's an there's also an element to listening to older man that I found that you know It's the Bruce Lee thing Uh, take what's useful into scar bits not so a lot of them will be very blue pill Of course, even in their 40s 50s and 60s It could be the way until they die And that's okay. You can still learn from them And that's something I think a lot of young guys hearing like Guys like me and you and rolling all these guys anytime they hear like a blue pill thing They want to think get away from it really fast.  There are a lot of guys out there who pretend to be blue pill who aren't because that's a survival skill.   I don't even heard about that swatting something like that. Yep. Yep. I have um one of the guys I streamed with um, uh, Tommy Sotomayor.  Uh, you have a new video coming out today Uh, what's that about what's it going to be titled and how can our audience find it? Um, so the new video that I have coming out today I haven't decided on the title yet, but basically it's about extremism now. I did put out a um Let me take a look here. I've been so busy lately.  Uh, just totally wreck it Super chats are appreciated and uh, double check out the links in description of this video For your all all natural magic soap tactical soap channel sponsor You can also get ddj's book the feminist lie on amazon There's a link right there at the top And then also there's a bunch of other links you can go out check out throughout the uh description there All right, so the video that I put out this morning and again, I apologize I had a little bit of brain fog there and like I said, it's been a busy last few days Is entitled us taxpayers fund feminism crime racism and the overthrow of government And I go in and I demonstrate some examples of exactly how our tax dollars are being used as Americans And why we shouldn't allow it to happen Um, and so this push on kind of like this angle that my channel is taking I'm basically talking about again the enemies of man the enemies of men in general and What we can do To stop the bleeding because feminism cannot succeed without the welfare state And it cannot succeed without looting taxpayer dollars because they know it's a failed ideology That's why it needs welfare money because it can't survive on its own. It's a parasite. That's we propped up. Yeah, it's a parasite yeah so So yeah, so that's that's what's going on there In that video came out just a few hours ago. I'll be putting out another one tonight and then On jack greens channel later this evening at I believe at 10 p.m. Eastern standard time I am going to be debating a individual about migthal philosophy. So that should be entertaining Nice sounds good Questions as well.  Is patreon still good you're planning patreon.  I actually have a twitch channel If you've got amazon prime you can subscribe to me at miss andree today at twitch.com And um, I actually get half that subscription So, you know if you follow me, but yeah, so basically if you subscribe to me It's like 499, but if you have amazon prime, it's free So it's free to you and I get I get half that 499 from it So that's a good way to support the channel and not have to come out of pocket to do so if you want to avoid patreon I'm hoping subscribe star is going to come back online And then of course, um, I do occasionally get adsense on my videos So if you watch the videos watch the ads that are on the videos occasionally when they show up when i'm not being demonetized That helps as well Dude, I got amazon prime first thing i'll do after the show is Support this guy I think with that unless there's any last words i'm gonna wrap up the broadcast today I appreciate everybody watching live much appreciated I'll support you guys skip to him. Go ahead and do that You should there is a war on men in this country in a war on masculinity and you have to fight back Supporting guys like 21 studios the red mag group and ddj are way to do that or a fantastic way to do that And if you don't who knows what this country will be 10 20 years from now I'd like it to be in a positive place myself. So let's keep fighting keep going Uh ddj appreciate you having you on man big time I'd love to have you on again, especially the red mag group on that channel And also here we could do something again in the future And like I discussed I'd love to have you at the convention someday if you want to come out in person I know there's obviously risk to that and uh, you know, it's a whole that's a big decision for you But I'd love to have you speak at the event if you want to do it somehow Yeah, um, like I said, that'll that'll be something that I consider down the road But I definitely want to you know, hang out with you again here on 21 studios And I would definitely look forward the opportunity to chat again on red man group. Everybody there was a blast Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. We'll get you back on for sure. Uh, maybe this weekend if not, uh, the following for sure Sounds good if you're available All right, I'm gonna we could stay on the private chat here. I'm gonna end the broadcast everyone Thanks for watching the video Smash that like button and buy his book and support his channel watch his show tonight as well on jack green's channel He said 10 p.m I'll uh, I'll be posting that on gab so the link will be there so people can know where to go Cool sounds good. I'm in the broadcast. Everybody else talk to you later


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