The craft foods company presents Harold Perry as the great gilder sleeve The great gilder sleeve is brought to you by the craft foods company makers of parquet margarine Every day millions of women all over America serve parquet margarine because it tastes so good To market to market to get some parquet home again home again try it today You like it you love it like millions who say their favorite margarine in D-A-R-K-A-Y parquet margarine made by craft It is autumn. Yes, beautiful autumn in the words of the great poet keeps season of mists and mellow fruitfulness and in the words of the great Shelley There is a harmony in autumn and a luster in its sky and in the words of the great gilder sleeve autumn Leaves all over the darn lawn Leroy I'd rake them up in one big pile Leroy I wouldn't leave little bunches around like that What's the trouble Leroy Now now we mustn't be afraid of a little work. Well, we made an agreement young man You agreed to rake the leaves. I agreed to pay you a quarter.  I'll send him right over Thank you. I could bring him over if you like won't be any trouble He's awfully little to be crossing the street by himself. I have to get acquainted with her Wonder who she is What? What's the matter Leroy? Stop chasing Craig. You go on in the house. I'll talk to Craig That nice young lady didn't know you had a visitor a friend of the family. I don't know Relative maybe I don't know Is she staying long? I don't know. Well, she's at your house. You ought to know something Ask me no questions. I'll tell you no lies.  I'll go over right after supper dinner supper Good evening, mr. Bullard, I brought back this snow shovel I borrowed last winter. How do I kept it so long? Oh, that's all right. Kill the sleeve. It is any time you want it again. Don't hesitate to ask for it Well, then you're not angry about you're running into my car. No after all accidents will happen Anyhow my insurance company took care of it I am afraid I haven't been as neighborly as I should have been Matter of fact, I was just thinking tonight about inviting you over. You were yes We have a young lady house guest. Oh, is that so? It's Mrs. Bullard's cousin. I'd like to have you come over to make a fourth of bridge some evening bridge. Oh, I'd be delighted Well, I'm sure Leroy didn't do it on purpose.    I was sitting on the porch the heavyset follow remember Yes Like a lift. I don't mind walking no trouble going right your way. Well, all right Yeah, hop right in. Thank you Yeah, I'll just toss this briefcase in the back. Oh, oh didn't mean to knock your hat off Sorry, let me get it. Oh One of the grapes fell off here. Thank you.  Bullard said you probably would be This your first visit to Summerfield yes, I'm spending my vacation here. Oh, is that so? Yes. Oh, I mean Pleasure's all mine Here alone. Yes Mr. Tuttle couldn't come a no he couldn't You see there isn't any mr. Tuttle Vacation a the office gives us two weeks. Hi George you stenographers deserve a vacation Taking dictation from cranky bosses like me. I'm not a stenographer. Mr. Gilda slave. Oh run a switchboard. No I'm head of the advertising department. Oh Well, mr. Tuttle vacations come but once a year That's the time to have fun. There's anything I could do to help you enjoy your stay here. Thank you Be glad to show you around town. I'm the water commissioner. You know any day you'd like to go through the water works Thank you very much. Well, uh, mr. Gilda slave. You can let me out any place along here Oh, I didn't realize we were downtown already. This will be fine mr. Tuttle Like to go for a ride show you the sights. No, thank you Kid around the block a few times. No, thank you. I'll just get out here better. Let me take you to the corner. Well, all right What's the matter with this thing Just had it overhauled about a year ago Darn mechanics Okay, okay keep your shirt on What's the matter with you? Get over it's guilty. Look here you old goat. Why don't you? Maybe you can push you over to the curb push me. Oh, yes a very good idea.  We made it You sit right there, mr. Tuttle I'll have it fixed in a jiffy I'll get this wrench here. All right Tires look okay. Anything I can do to help you kill it. No, thanks judge You're probably in a hurry to get somewhere. No, I'm in no particular hurry. I can handle this horse Take a look under the hood Let's see here Mr. Gillis leave. I don't think I've had the pleasure of meeting this charming young lady I knew he tried to horn in Miss Tuttle. This is judge hooker. See you later judge How do you do miss Tuttle? I don't think I've seen you gracing our fair city before listen to him Well, it's always nice to gaze upon a new face especially when as the poet say it is more than passing fair Well judge if you're gonna help me come on these excuse me miss How can I be of assistance gilded well you can you can hold this hood up? I've got my head in here, you know Maybe your spark plugs are dirty. No, I think the points need filing sure it isn't the plan. No, it's the point Yes, I'm just checking the motor mr. Gillis leave. I think the car is just flooded flooded Oh, no, I've located the seat of the trouble. It's the points. Yeah, I think it's the plan If you just turn this little lever on the carburetor careful now you get your fingers all greasy You can drain the gas off like this Well I think if you just step on the starter now mr. Gillis leave Oh, I'm guilty. I'm afraid it won't do any good, but there's no harm in trying Had automotive experience miss Tuttle. Well, not very much judge. I did some driving overseas miss Tuttle You don't say I show for the colonel around miss Tuttle Imagine miss Tuttle if you want to get in I can take you down to the corner now I think I'll just walk. Thank you for the ride mr. Kilda sleeve. Goodbye. Bye. Bye. Goodbye judge. Bye miss Tuttle Well, guilty do we say in court chase dismissed? Don't chase an ambulance you old goat We'll hear from the great Gelder sleeve again in just a minute You know as the parquet reporter I go around looking for news about parquet the craft quality margarine But occasionally the news goes looking for me like today, mr. Wall. I've been hoping I'd see you I got something to tell you about parquet margin. I knew you'd be interested. Yes. I am birdie. What's the story? Well, I got to checking over my old grocery bills the other day, and you know what I found out I'd like to know. Yes. I knew you'd be interested. Well, I am birdie. What did you find out? Mr. Wall I found out that I'm paying less for parquet now than I was a year ago birdie That's certainly good news in these days of high prices. You bet. I knew you'd be interested and of course parquet still the same fine spread It's a craft product, and that means a quality product Parquet margarine contains 15,000 units of vitamin a per pound That means added nourishment when you spread parquet on bread toast muffins or waffles So when you add up quality nourishment and economy there are plenty of reasons for using parquet aren't there birdie? Oh shucks. We use it because it tastes so good. All right, you are and that's why millions of women all over America serve parquet margarine Be kind to your pocketbook and enjoy the fresh flavor of parquet. That's P.A.R.K.A.Y parquet margarine made by craft The great gilders leave is having a trying day at the office He has a big decision to make and just like Hamlet. He can't make up his mind the phone Or not to phone That is the question Why George I'll do it All this trouble can do is turn me down never know you try Hello, this is mr. Gillis leave. Can I see you tonight? Wrong number. How did I get him? Hello, Miss Tuttle. This is mr. Gillis leave. Oh, yes, Miss Tuttle I was going to inspect the reservoir tonight. See if there was enough water in it in case they might be a fire Thought you might like to go with me home alone. Well, maybe I could drop over for a while keep you company Wonderful, I'll be over early. Huh? Oh, I can inspect that some other time Anyhow, there won't be a fire tonight. This is fire prevention month I Afternoon Floyd climb right up in the chair and watch your pleasure. Well, I can stand to haircut. I guess Floyd You can trim my mustache a little step and out tonight commis none of your business Floyd Okay Understand there was a little commotion downtown this morning. Oh Zach some fellow stole his car couldn't fix it himself How'd he get some female to get it going for it? What? Yeah, she crawled right under the car. She did not So that's the dame Hooker's been in here gassing. I see I've been a close follower of your romances commissioner and you've had some lulus But I never saw you go for a lady mechanic before she's not a lady mechanic.   I knew a fellow once ran around with a woman like her lady wrestler I seen her once a big woman but handsome Had a butterfly tattooed on her arm tattooed Their romance didn't work out so good She could do everything better than he could Floyd I'm not interested like for instance. He'd take her to a carnival She'd outdo him on everything right down the midway You know them things you hit with a sledgehammer show her strong yard Well, every time she walloped it bingo. She'd ring the bell and win the cigar Fellow finally got so depressed he joined the navy Floyd, I'll thank you to just concentrate on your scissor work I'm kind of dames a dynamite.  Oh, Mr. Thank you, miss me Hello, p.v. Give me a couple of cigars. Yeah, tell the heck I do I think yeah, yeah May it's no nice. Yeah, there you are. Thank you Car running all right now, mr. Guilty face Yes, of course, what makes you ask that? Oh, no special reason I heard you had a little repair work done this morning P.v.  Miss Tuttle is a fine young woman. Oh, sure she is She's not a lady mechanic and she's not a lady wrestler either. Well, I didn't say she was Of course, I haven't seen the young lady Uh, does she have large biceps, mr. Guilty face? No, p.v.  Oh the executive type. What's wrong with that? Oh, nothing, mr. Guilty. That's just that I prefer the other kind Now take mrs. P.v.  There may be a point to all this but I fail to see it But even when mrs. P.v. I have to watch myself can't afford to let her get to jump on me Oh for I don't need any advice from you p.v. I can take care of myself. No woman has ever made a monkey out of me Well, I wouldn't say that Good evening, mr. Gilda sleeve won't you come in? Thank you, mr. Tullo If you'll just go into the library, I'll be right with you. I was just saying good night to craig craig. Of course I Miss Tullo she looks nice tonight lady wrestler That Floyd she's not that type at all never can tell though I better show her who's boss get off on the right foot Sorry, mr. Gilda sleeve Please sit down after you miss Tullo. You sit down first.  That's a man's job.  It's all right. I'll get it. No, no, let me I knocked it over I'll just clean up these ashes you sit down. Thank you There I'll just sit here Well, miss Tullo so you were overseas. Yes for a while imagine that Bet you must have some real stories to tell well driving around in those air raids things like that A little girl like you it wasn't so must have been pretty dangerous. All right I know just what you went through. I was an air raid warden myself I didn't know that were you yes block captain had a helmet, pale of sand and everything Really? Yeah That's nice mr. Gildesley. Do you see see oh well just for my own amazement Well, maybe we should have a little music. Well if you insist I'll turn on the radio. Oh, yeah Good idea We'll keep it low so it won't disturb craig. Oh, yeah Oh pretty isn't it lovely This is nice sitting here listening to music Yesterday, I didn't even know you and now here we are listening to music Miss Tullo. Yes, if you don't mind, I think I'll move my chair closer closer to the fire All right Radio went off that's funny. I wonder what's the matter? I don't know. Well, I'll take a look at it. No What's the matter mr. Gildesley?  All right.  I won't just leave everything to me I can handle this. All right. Sure. You can fix ours all the time. You can ask Leroy All right, mr. Gildesley if you go right ahead that oh, oh, yes Well, let's see here Better turn this radio around so I can look in the back Now that let's take a look here Hmm could be a tube. Do you think so? Well, could be Better test them Still hot Let me see here. Do you see anything wrong mr. Gildesley? It's hard to say a lot of wires in here Pretty dark in here, too. I'll have a flashlight. I'll see if I can find one He better bring a screwdriver and I'll need some pliers and a pair of gloves to come in handy Gloves. Yeah, I can see this is going to be quite a job. I'd have to tear the whole set apart Good thing you had a man around. Well, I'll see what I can Oh, mr. Gildesley. Yeah, what's the matter with the radio? What's that? Getting late. I'll be going Good night, mr. Tubble smoking stand Didn't see it. I'll get it Good night, mr. Tubble. Oh, mr. Gildesley Yes, mr. Gildesley. I'm awfully sorry. Really. I am. It's quite all right. I'm I'm sorry. I laugh But you know, you're so different from most men I've known. Yes Well, I better be going just a moment, please You know this kernel I worked for overseas mr. Gildesley There was an efficient man for you never made a mistake did everything perfectly. I know that's the kind of man you like I couldn't stand him What I like men who make mistakes once in a while who are who are human Oh, and that's what I like about you mr. Gildesley You're human Good good night mr. 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So my name is Erin and I work at the Central Grasslands Research Extension Center full-time and try to farm and ranch part-time on the weekends and in this position it's given me the opportunity to work with a lot of people like Carl Hoppe and others who have educated me about different opportunities through the SARA program and it's sort of opened up my eyes to different opportunities for management like bale grazing and so with these opportunities it's hopefully going to give me an opportunity to transition back to an operation that will be sustainable for myself and for our family as well. I'm Drew Gardler just want to say thanks to SARA it's been a really enjoyable process so far. I worked away for about ten years from the farm and I came back in 2015, worked all over the world, saw a lot of different techniques in agriculture, different regional schemes and ecosystems. So this is where we live where we grew up 14 miles north of the South Dakota border. I've moved into my great-grandfather's home renovating that. It's been a long and slow process. Right here is where my great-grandfather settled and our bale grazing area that we're going to focus on is right over here. She should also pay attention to the surrounding landscapes just looking at the degradation of the land. So this progresses from 57 to 95 in 57 early 50s where we're bale grazing or where we were going to bale graze. They had farmed it to the point where it wasn't even raising a oats crop and they walked away from it. It blew away the soil and you can see all that white that is not alkali, that's clay pan. The soil is blown away, it's just down to the subsoil and to the east that's sandy hilltops that are blown away. 2004, the bale grazing area where we're going to be working on that progressed. They didn't plant it back to anything back in the 50s but it reverted back to native mostly Lugrama and buffalo grass, some sedges, but to the east look at all that washing. This was farmed wheat on wheat on wheat for about a hundred years. So this strip farming wheat on wheat on wheat, this area was planted back to alfalfa and brome grass and that was just left to go to whatever reverted to Lugrama and buffalo grass. So 2010 there was an ownership change and the owner requested the person that rented it plant in alfalfa. It was better than cropping it but you see in alfalfa field there's still a lot of background. To the west it's still slow on its growth back. So focused in on our area that up there is more alkaline high water table. First thing we did was trenched in water lines. There's a water tank here and I'm actually in the process of trenching to get a water tank down here. 2017 we had eight inches of annual precip that year so that's why you see a lot more of the clay pan shine through. It wasn't covered up by vegetation. And the area to the north of here has degraded at the same rate and so you're seeing high water table that's where the alkaline's come from and it's traveling down. So given some of the history that Drew talked about there was some obvious concerns that came up of course. We watched the soil loss happening whether it was through summer fall practices to the north of us. Different management that was happening on that landscape over time. We also saw concerns with water management. There's been several talks throughout this conference of watching water run off the landscape and I think one of Drew's main priorities and objectives with his operation is to try to increase that water holding capacity as much as possible. And I know that we are in East River and so the challenges here are very different than the challenges that we have out west. This year for instance we were loving it. The moisture was we were ready for more if we had the opportunity to capture it just to kind of put that into perspective for you. So managing that water and trying to capture it was a focus for this project by doing the bale grazing, trying to spread out that residue, holding more of that moisture, ultimately holding more of the nutrients that would be coming from the actual grazing component of those livestock. And capturing the neighbor's soil. And as Drew just mentioned if you didn't hear him he really enjoys capturing the neighbor's dirt as it's flying and trying to take advantage of the water as well because it presents a lot of opportunities to quickly capture a resource that is a slower process to build and so we can put that resource on the ground and promote some biological activity to remediate it. It's something that we're trying to do as well. And then the other resource concern that went along kind of as a symptom of the soil loss as well as limited water management became the poor forage production and a reduced quality. So this is just some pictures that kind of go through and highlight those resource concerns that we had. You can see some fence line pictures here where there's an obvious difference where this area had been farmed. Some of these areas it's as much of a two or three feet drop cattle trailing over here. I have a couple of videos here just to show some of the soil loss that was happening if they will play. So this is actually over the hill from my brother's place at my at our parents place. That's dirt flying. That's 2017. It's nothing dirty there. And then this video next to it is the road ditch where some people are able to normally take that area. That was alfalfa grass that tall. How's one storm? This picture here as in Druze Yard directly to the north is where that area had been summer followed. So there's a culvert here. Whenever it rains we like to watch the water run off of the neighbors place and flood through that culvert. And rather than watching it go through our land and down into the next neighbors and on and on and on trying to capture that. And then this is in our study area where the soil is a bit of a challenge. A lot of exposed clay pan areas as Drew mentioned some alkali challenges. And that area is mostly no till right? So is the soil blowing off of just these exposed clay pans or? That area to the north has been summer followed for about the last 30. Yeah. So the area to the direct north has been managed in summer follow since 1924. And most of that is what you're directly seeing. But that's what you're directly seeing, you know, on those windstorms coming from the north to the south through his yard there. So the project that we proposed fail grazing to build soil health was essentially designed, of course, to meet the project objectives that I have outlined here to improve soil health and fertility to increase our nutrient cycling reduce runoff. We also wanted to as a result of those efforts, build our soil productivity in hopes of building our forage production and quality. And then for ourselves as producers, being able to reduce some of the feed and the labor costs, which we enjoy working with our cattle. And we do hear lots of comments about wanting to be able to go out and see the cattle every day. And we do have that opportunity with fundraising. And so for some folks, the idea and the concept of not starting the tractor every single day and being able to go out and look at those animals is a challenge for them. But it was an interesting opportunity with this project because our location was next to the highway. And so when we began this project, there was a lot of skepticism over what we were doing and how, you know, why did we have our cattle out with our bales and people not seeing us taking care of our cattle. And yet they would drive by on their way to the sale barn or they would drive by every day to come out and feed their own cattle. And they would observe that our cattle were taking care of, but they weren't seeing us out there all of the time. And they struggled with that. And so having the location was helpful for us actually to start a lot of conversations with those folks from the, what are you doing and why are you doing this and having that evolve with the project over time into people stopping by and asking us more questions, which has been a really good opportunity to work with those folks as well. And then also to take opportunities like this to share through different outreach efforts. In various ways, we serve on different boards in our communities. And so there's opportunities there to share about projects. There's different tours where people can come out and we call it like a mailbox tour, the information's available in the mailbox and they can kind of come out on their own and look. Sometimes we struggle with the different conventional ideas of outreach because we feel like the people that do need to hear that information they may not be ones to attend those events. And so we're hoping that through this project we can reach out to different groups that might not be here today with us. So here you can see the veils are tipped on end. And some, there's some areas in between. We just run a polyelectric wire. We start out with two polyelectric wires to limit the cows and do about a week's worth of hay. And then when the cows get into a group they are somewhat limited at going into all the veils at once by the net wrap. But also before that you need water. So this is my wintering and it's used by a solar well that's in my yard and is tied into another well that pumps at night. But this is just during the day. Water comes up and you've got a ground sink for the ground temperature to keep your water tank open. We never had a problem with keeping water to our cattle. And that's what most talks, my experience is they don't get into a why and how. It's good to be theoretical and it's good to talk about the benefits but this is how I water the cattle. There's no heater, there's no nothing. If the water tank is getting frozen all the time or you're having trouble with building up around the float, stick a siphon hose in, you can run some water out of the ground. Water has a great heat source and it's cheaper than running a propane heater or an electric heater. So by just bumping a little water with solar we provided windbreaks. We're unloading panels. I didn't see a little dog there. We found that the cattle would much rather stand behind a bale and eat them, stand behind a steel windbreak. But the windbreaks were useful on the cleanup days, the last couple days in each rotation cattle would use them. It was good for during winter storms and stuff because there wasn't any natural wind protection out there. This is all permanent fencing. Part of the program we did plant trees along this area for a long-term solution because we're planning on continuing this. We planted, we put the portable windbreaks about here and in here and the water tank, the winterized water tank was right there. We would kind of do a pie shape out of here from where the electric wire and then down here it was more of a brake feeding where it would just progressively go through the system and trail back. This is about 45 acres and you can see this is, this is season-long cover crops that I planted. I think this was 2018 and then I was hauling in CRP hay. So instead of driving over and turning the mirrors off the truck, I cut a couple strips to get in there, but we grazed the cover crops first and then distributed the bales. That's us after we progressed to single wire. Once the cattle got used to the hot in the ground, we didn't have any trouble with them challenging it. So it's just much easier when it's, you know, 20 below zero, wind's blowing and snow. Just roll up one wire by yourself when you're out there. And everybody talks about waste. Do you see much for waste? And that's kind of how the cattle eat it. They start at the top of the bale and they just work it down. I challenge anyone to look at their bale feeder and the corral and look at that amount of waste and those cows haven't, I mean they haven't gotten to a cleanup day yet. A lot of that will disappear still. But that isn't bad for, in my books, this is in the winter. Cows are happy there. For every bale, the snow swirls around and there's a clear area around the bale and the cattle can drop down to them. They actually clean up the hay better when there's high snow mounts because they're lazy and they're like humans. I guess I'll just stand here and eat this even though they can see a bale over there. They don't want to walk over there and get it. They'd rather just, well, eat this one until it's gone. So the efficiency on the hay utilization was better. But on the other side, sometimes you kind of wish they would leave a little more residue. So this is them just starting in. So it started at the top, worked their way down. We don't cut the net wrap. A couple days before we move the cattle, I'll go out and pick up the net wrap off the ground. Cows don't want to eat it until they ball it up and they just kind of push it off to the side usually. And I don't want to go out there and wrap all the bales and let them end up all the bales at once. And if it's really a bad winter, I'll just wait till spring and go out there and take a day in the spring and pick up the net wrap. Is that like an eye plan or something?  I mean, the net wrap, I'm sorry. It's plastic. Mostly it's to deter them from getting into all the bales at once because they'll make, I mean, they'll be more haste, boilage, because they'll bed on it then. Where it'll be... So once they break into that bale, they stay on there and work on that bale before they decide to go to another one and have to break into that bale all over again. And it's funny, they'll find... The bales that they like. And the bales they don't like. They'll just seek it out.  And that's the balenet wrap. They pushed off to the side and that's the rest residue. I mean, it's easy. I'm not sure how. Later, I can show you. If there is any evidence of, you know, like if we feel like we didn't get a lot of the net wrap or things were frozen down because we tried to pick it up earlier, we did modify a harrow to where we can put that on and drag that through. And that collects a lot of the net wrap. But we're still trying to figure out the right management with that as well, because we feel like the more you disturb some of that residue, you're kind of losing some of the benefits of having, you know, that residue holding, the urea holding, you know, those potential nutrients. And we don't want to lose a lot of that to the air. And so we're trying to figure out the right balance there, whether it is using a harrow or whether it's maybe that next spring in a hayfield where you have bale grays, rather than taking that first cutting, maybe what we do is we actually graze that off and their hoof action can agitate it a little bit, but not cause too much agitation too quickly to where we lose those nutritional benefits. We did do some basic soil sampling with our project from basically the beginning and then an ending. And so you can see here there was a cover crop only sampling a bale grays area where there was a cover crop and then a bale grays and cover crop, but there wasn't a direct impact. So yeah, the difference between those two is that the direct impact was a sample that was collected underneath where that bale had been placed in that bale grazing area and this one was outside of the bale. Just going through without, I guess, diving too much into it, there's a general theme of nutrients with the exception of pH. Organic matter hasn't changed a whole lot, but some of these initial samples showed quite a difference here in the phosphorus, potassium, solute, zinc, manganese, copper, and I'm not surprised that we didn't see a change here. I think that's a long-term thing. Did you want to comment on the pH at all? And this is only a snapshot, so that's one thing I'll put out there just so you're aware it's a one-time sample, but in 2019 this imagery just came out, which was really helpful. Here's just a close-up area of our project and you can kind of see the distribution of where some of those bales have been placed. Interestingly, in 2019 we had a lot of moisture, so yes, the areas are green, but there's still a change and a difference that you can see here. The bale areas are much darker. We can see a production difference in terms of the height of that biomass, so we're still noticing differences in those years even when it's not dry. And this is just a close-up picture of an area where the bale had been, so the bale was sitting right in here. That was in late October. There's various opportunities where people start asking you questions, even getting phone calls, because they saw all of our cows in with our bales and they were driving down the highway and they didn't want our cows to eat those bales. But we still feel like there's quite a need to reach out to those people, and so any of you have different ideas of reaching out to them or sharing them, the information that, you know, some of us, we all have some of that information here, but how do we reach out to those people? Go back to the soil sampling that we did was in this area mostly, and so the pH, I guess, that I said I didn't want to comment on, the soil can vary in a matter, I mean, the feet, which you saw in that picture of the clay pan, and we wanted to have it direct spot of testing to compare as close as possible rather than a cumulative sample, but even within that small area we got a surprising results on our pH. But we think we're representative because the organic matter was the same throughout the test, and the baseline that I had done before, well sure, after I acquired this land in 2015 was similar too, but you can see the overall trend. And the outreach, yeah, the main thing that I like about it is the non-traditional outreach, the people that should be here, the people that have the most to gain aren't listening. They're not at extension events. Who knows where they're at? So going forward, we'd like to expand our bale grazing area more to the land east of where I live, experiment with some pasture clay pan areas. The pasture was season long grazed, it was opened up into, I think the pasture was about 1200 acre pasture all together, season long, and there was one well on it, so that's where you can see the trailing. I'd like to continue to experiment with management and reducing our labor. Last winter, I blew a lot of snow with my tractor, but I only used a half a tank of diesel fuel all last winter for feeding the cows. If I can drive that a little bit more. The only time I'd started tractor was when I wasn't ready for the cows to move, because they were the last couple days of cleaning up an area, and there was a blizzard coming in, I didn't want to move them to the next set of bales because they'd cover up that hay that they were cleaning up, and I don't like to see that waste, I guess. So I would feed them a few bales to get them through the storm, and then a few days later, let them into the next set of bales. Aaron talked about residue management.  We'd like to incorporate multi-species grazing. We expect that to be a pretty good challenge with getting sheep to respect a one-wire fence when sheep generally are needed. Open wire and lots and lots of strands of barbed wire and electric, and we'd like to experiment with the incorporation of byproducts, because sometimes where we're at forage quality isn't great, you know, when we're in a drought in 2017, I had to buy a lot of hay. You know, so you wonder what to do in that case when you don't have the protein adequate for alfalfa grass. I'd also like to experiment with straw windbreaks, whether that's flax, rye, whatever's available. I expect cowl or other stand behind a windbreak that's of that sort, then a steel portable windbreak, and then how long would it last, you know. The more comfortable you can keep a cow during adverse winter, whether the better condition you're going to keep her in, so that's kind of what we're thinking. What are the benefits of multi species grazing? We're hoping to see a change in the utilization of the feed and some of the parasite control. Through a procedure question, as you, how many years have you done this now? We did one year in the bell grazing. As you look at the green areas, when you go in with your next year, are you going to stage those bales the next year in between the green spots so that you tend to get coverage of the field for your lay-off a little bit? Yes, we'd like to move it, and then we'd also, looking down the road if we're going to do it for the next 20 years or whatever, that's why we'd like to include the additional acreage to the east. We don't know what the nutrient bill will be long-term, so the longer you can, or you can distribute it, the better we can get the benefits, I guess. I also noticed in the pictures on your drainage is it possible to concentrate your bales long-term drainage, because that's where you've got a lot of there. It was way too wet at that time. Pretty hard to play. That area was, yeah, it's still really soft. Like this winter, I tried to get out there in those spots, and I just kept breaking through. The springs were running out of those high areas, actually.


I'm new to the Vanie community, so it's been really beneficial for me both to participate in the summer school and in this week. A bit about my background. I did a PhD at the Technical University of Denmark with my, the main supervisor Casten Jacobsen and co-supervisor Christian Thuysen, which made me familiar faces. And I did it with collaboration with Synopsis Denmark, and I worked on electronic transport in these 2D transition methodical co-connected transistors. Now I'm a postdoc at the Southern University of Denmark with Professor Joel Cox and in the group of Aska Mortens. So, the idea behind all of this project was that we would like to do feasible time dependent simulations of extreme nonlinear optical phenomena in nanostructure systems, which means nano ribbons nano islands, twisted layers stack layers so basically systems with large supercells. And how to do this in an efficient way. So I had the idea to use vanarization because then we can really toggle the effective system size we can go in and say how many bands do we really need in order to describe our system. And we also can get sparse Hamiltonians which can help with the memory of these large systems. So why don't we just use perturbation theory, which is the go to method we for these response calculations. Well it's because we want to look at the extreme nonlinear effects and that's this means we goes to, to large orders in electronic field. So, in linear response you can get the linear response function relatively easily.  And furthermore we need quite intense electric fields for these things so saying that it's a small perturbation is also perhaps a bit of a stretch. So that's why we are going beyond perturbation theory and actually just do a direct time dependent simulations. The current project looks at high harmonic generation in 2D nano rhythms and just a brief introduction to high harmonic generation because I think there's perhaps not a lot of people was aware of this phenomenon I didn't know it before I started working with it. I can sort of explain it through this three step model, which is really for high harmonic generation in the gas phase. And in the solid state of course it's more complicated but this sort of conveys the idea. So if you have a very strong electric field. So if you perturb your potential and an electron can sort of be tunneled away from the nuclei. And then when you have the face of the field changing it sort of gets driven back and forth, and at some point it will be collide with the nuclei and it will emit some radiation which then is emitted at these integer numbers of the impinge in field frequency. And what Professor Joe Cox has been working a lot on is looking at this effect in the graphene in different graphene nano ribbons nano islands, and has shown that when you have these confined systems, which have some well defined plasmonic resonance, then having the field exactly at the frequency of this plasmonic resonance really enhances this high harmonic generation. So that's what we were would like to investigate in other materials and other configurations as well. And what we look at for quantifying this effect is the dipole acceleration squared. And this is because it's proportional to the far field power spectrum and basically this resolves this feature very nicely. We looked at graphene and phosphoryne nano ribbons. Both of these have nicely tunable plasmonic resonances so when you either chemically or electrostatically dope them you can really change the precision of your plasmonic resonance and they also have strong light matter interaction. In the case of graphene we know that we have this plasmon assisted high harmonic generation. And it's also a nice benchmarking system because you can look at this very simple type binding model which we've also looked at sometimes during the school I think where you just have a news neighbor hopping. And then you can can look at your result compared to that. And phosphoryne is very nice because it's semiconductor with high carrier mobility and some simulations on extended system has shown that it has potential to actually outperform graphene when it comes to high harmonic generation. So this is our framework. I had to come up with a name. I didn't have a name before I went here this week but I feel like everyone has a name for their coach. I've made up a name maybe it will change but for now I call it X nor for extreme non optical extreme non linear optical response. The framework is basically that we do DFT ground state calculations using the deeper package. Then we do a binary station with 90 to get the system in the binary basis set. Then I use the deep hole once more to get the cool arm interaction between my near orbitals. I feed it into the X nor code, which then solves this equation of motion to get the induced dipole in frequency domain and then I can look at linear and non linear response. And right now we have two types of pulses, we can input the first is this very brief delta pulse which is just like a small spark which then sort of excites the entire frequency range and the output will then be the linear response where we can look at the absorption spectra and and really localize these plasmonic resonances. And the other is a Gaussian pulse where you have a full width have met maximum of 100 fence of seconds and you have the time dependent simulations to get your, your harmonic spectra. So now moved to some results. Here are a comparison between three different will basically actually four different kinds of descriptions of the group in nano rhythm. This is a 2.5 nano meter rhythm with six act termination. And so the green model is this newest neighbor type binding model and you see that it sort of captures the feature close to the family level but you don't have this asymmetry around the family level and you don't have any particular state, obviously, in this case, then we have a binary station just using one orbital for atom where the initial projections is the PC also and then we get the correct behavior around the family level. And we also have a more sophisticated model where we also get some of this spaghetti both above and below these PC bands. And then below I show you the linear response where I changed the, the family level position to see how the linear response changes with doping and we see this very nice tune ability we have in graphene. So we don't have any difference between electron and hold doping in the type binding model. The two money models. I agree relatively well there is some difference when going to high doping levels. I'm going to compare here to a dft RPA calculation and for electron doping it's, it's quite similar for hold doping there are some features from the dft here which our model doesn't capture. Then I looked at the plasma and hands harmonic generation. Again using the three different models here. And basically, what I show here is the scale is this type of acceleration. And the x axis we have the, the frequency of the field, and then we have the frequency of the immediate variation here. And on top we have this linear response so here we have a plus money resonance here, and we see somehow that there is some high harmonic generation but really it's definitely most clear in the case of the more advanced model where we have bands also besides these simple PC also bands. And of course it makes sense because when you have these very high harmonics, then you really do go and excite bands very far away from the family level so it is something which requires you to go to somehow sophisticated models but I think what we have here seems to be reasonable. Then I have some results for phosphoryl. So now we have a band structure with a gap and single. No actually I think there's two states here. We have six act terminated ribbons and armchair terminated ribbons. And for the six egg I have one which is 2.5 nanometers and one which is five nanometers wide. And again we have looked at the linear response with different doping levels. And I have a DFT calculation for reference which now seems to don't know if you can see this I think it's a bit light on this screen. So I shall have to trust me that there's actually a really nice agreement now between these two. This is slightly more sophisticated in the way that now I have four orbitals per atom, because in phosphoryl we have a very strong SP hybridization so you really can't get around with going with less than that. And again we see that there is nice tune ability of these plus monic resonances. So then I would like to look at the tune ability of the high harmonic generation. And this is the high harmonic generation spectrum for the six second armchair ribbon, the short ones. And it's just to show how the spectrum looks like you can't really see the difference with doping here because it's just on top of each other. But here I've looked at the intensity of the third, the fifth and the seventh harmonic with different doping levels here. And for this six sec. Wow, it's really can you see the third harmonic I can't. Okay, I'm sorry. It's too light on this screen. Okay anyway, it's really flat. And that's also what the, the plus money expect to show so there's, there's not a lot of tune ability for this six egg ribbon. With the, which is not as wide but with a go to over here to the right I have the longer ribbon the five nanometer ribbon and here I get not a specific tune abilities are not that just if I increase the doping I get higher money generation but I have some doping levels which is preferable and basically hold open is slightly better than electron doping. I'm sure I have a more consistent sort of behavior here that if I increase the whole doping I will increase the intensity of the high harmonic generation. So I took sort of the best doping level for these three nano ribbons and then I looked at how, how much I actually get enhancement from this place, placement resonance. So this is the same plots as I showed for graphene. And basically, what we have here for the, the short six egg ribbon is really that you don't have this clear plus money question and this is really just sort of a lot of small peak so you don't get specifically large enhancement. But for the armchair ribbon you have a more specific peak and you get a nice enhancement and if you then increase the length of the six egg ribbon. Now you start to really have these prominent peaks again and you get very nice enhancement at this placement frequency. So this sort of shows that the systems I'm working with is actually perhaps slightly too small to really get into these effects so I would like to go to larger systems. And we are pushing to get to five and 10 nanometers and this is possible just takes a bit more time it's a bit more cumbersome to get everything running. So, to summarize, I've made this new code it's based on maximally localized money functions and we can calculate these extreme non linear effects. If we benchmark against response calculations from DFT we get quite nice agreement. I have used this to look at high harmonic generation, especially in phosphorine and the ribbons where it hasn't been investigated that much before. And we see that hold open seems to show the strongest high harmonic signal and we can actually enhance the signal with these plus money resonances and we can tune. Also, the, the effect both by the size of the ribbon and the dopey level. That's all. Thanks. Thank you for my stock so we have time for questions. Again, if you're on zoom you can write the question in the chat, or unmute yourself.  Very nice work. And I have a technical question about how you somehow van your eyes your calculation. Do you. Do you import the Hamiltonian only, or also the position matrix elements. Also the position. Okay, yeah. So my question is, because I, we can, I can show you the paper that I have in mind later, but there was a paper I think the first author is silver three years ago, where, yeah, where they show that this position matrix elements were off diagonal position which elements were quite important for higher money generation in their van your eyes scheme for help us I think in real time. So I was just wondering if you if you make some comparison. No, no, but that would be very interesting to do that. Next. Thank you very much. I have a question on the graphene where you showed you have a model with one, one with three orbitals per atom, and you have some differences in your results. Yeah, exactly on the on the left, let's say. Do you know why there's differences because you have missing bands, or is because the shape of the bands or the many functions is different. It's because I have missing bands, because the shapes are pretty well replicated by the money models. Other questions. Okay, so if not, we thank our speaker again. Thank you.


Okay. Now I'm calling the meeting to order it for a one sing a quorum. We are meeting virtually pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. I'm going to ask each of you to register your presence vocally so we know that you can hear and be heard. Austin. I'm present. Great. Alex. Here. And Alex Lafave, I'm present as well. So Austin has something at five, which means we'll lose our quorum. So I'm going to try and keep us on a timeline and we have Craig, the Carlo from Collier's our OPM here as well. And since Andrew is going to be taking meeting minutes, I'm just going to record that we have six members of the public in our audience so she can record that for the meeting minutes. So the second thing on our agenda is approval of the minutes of April 5 2022. Is there a motion. Move to approve. And a second. So seconded. Thanks. Any comments or changes to the meeting minutes. I saw one thing on the first page when it referred to the historic tax credits, it said that it was going to be guiding the exterior and I believe that should be it should be guiding the interior so just that one small amendment. So everybody I'll take a vote to approve the minutes with that small amendment. Austin. Approve. Great. Alex. Yes. Okay, and Alex Lafave also approved. The third item on our agenda is the May 1 event. So I want to start off by thanking all of the volunteers that we had the library staff and the community. We had about 75 people who were in attendance of the event. We collected roughly 216 unique comments and over 400 comments so meaning that 216 unique but you had people who were boosting comments of other people so there were about 400 comments in total that there was a draft of the comments in the packet that was me typing it up so be kind if you see typos I will fix them. That was just a quick first pass. The comments were also put into a visual format that sort of looks like the multicolored stickies and they were put up the next day in the library, so that we could continue to receive comments from people or boost comments from other people. And one of the advantages of living next to the library is I've just been going every day and taking a picture so that I can add as we get additional comments. So I guess I just wanted to check in with folks about, you know, thoughts comments feedback on the event. Generally speaking, I thought it was really great. You know, I think the, my, my big contribution to the vision was that I want to see blank paper turn into paper with comments and that very much happened. I wanted to just give a special shout out to the team section and also the big ideas, I think both of those had some really vibrant conversations. It was really lovely to see such a wide snapshot of folks. And I look forward to figuring out how do we continue to diversify not only who we are getting comments from but how we are going out to get those or get that input as well. Okay, thanks Alex. And I thought it was a great event. There was, I think, good, good conversation. There was a lot of energy when I was there. The comments are really interesting to read. And I think really most of all want to say bravo to Alex of Fave who really spearheaded this, this first outreach event so thank you Alex for all of that, all of that work. And just not to point out that Anika did a ton of work as well and a lot of the brain starving around so she's not here but shout out to Anika for all her incredible ideas and work that she did. We don't have public comments at the end but I do see people in our participants who either attended or volunteered at the event and I would love to invite folks in. If they are interested to raise their hands. I say this being in control and not entirely knowing what I'm doing but I will give it a whirl. If you'd want to share any feedback thoughts comments about the event or just any any feedback at all just go ahead and raise your hand and I will endeavor to figure out how to bring you into the meeting. So either everybody's being really kind because they know I don't know how to bring them in. I will figure it out if you if you do raise your hand. Okay. Um, so the next thing with a may one event is capturing the public comment so that we can then feed it on to the design subcommittee and the larger Jones library building committee and so Craig was really great about putting together some ideas about how we could do that. And I did create a spreadsheet based on his feedback which I can share and then I will just encourage folks, if we want to ask questions, or let Craig explain his thinking.  Yes. Yeah, so sorry I locked my computer down at one point so that nothing can share so I'm going to like Craig, talk about his ideas while I unlock my computer and and I'm able to share my screen. Certainly Alex. So the idea is that we've got information coming in, both from the May 1 event as well as this rolling process of collecting. And so my recommendation and you did a fantastic job turning my recommendations into an actual document so nice, nice work Alex. My recommendation is that each comment be assigned a number given, you know, record the date, it was made. There are multiple comments that are very, very similar recording how many, you know the frequency which that comment was made, and then, or if it was boosted recording how many times it was boosted, and then, keeping it at all as a living document that can be shared with a different with the design subcommittee and library building committee. So we used as kind of a tracking device so that as the comments flow through those decision making bodies. It can be recorded that it was discussed at such and such a meeting, and this is, this was the outcome so that it brings that whole process full circle, and also, as I said, you know, being a living document as more stuff comes in that will also make its way through the process. So that's the big idea. Thank you. Do you guys have any questions. Austin. Thank you, Alex. Craig, it would be helpful for you just to remind us in other projects in which you've worked on how such a compilation of public comments has informed deliberations. So the numbers associated with each of these comments, none of them are great. It seems to be more of them focused on the teen area than most of the others. So could you just talk a little bit about your experience in terms of how these comments are informed the informed the process. Certainly. In my previous experience on other product other public projects including public schools. This process has been a little less formal, or more of a one time opportunity or two time opportunities, such as it'd be a large public meeting. And during that to be a short presentation and then sort of questions and answers, and, and then the design team and the, and the, the building committees and subcommittees, we just kind of take the general zeitgeist, or the general feel, and consider that when they design process. So, but what I've heard in my involvement in this project is that there, there seems to be a desire to hear more discreetly from the public, exactly what they're interested in exactly what they value. And so this, this process here is a little more formalized. And so I think the way that it's, it's informing the design process will also be a little, you know, warrants it being a little more formal. Is there a question awesome. Sort of. It's the, when you say warrants it being a little more formal so let me give you some examples so there are 10 comments on Alex spreadsheet about the positioning of the brunette gallery. There are many comments about the furnishing of the teen room. They, you know they want being back chairs they want. I'm just trying to get a sense that might be helpful and it certainly might be helpful to the design committee about. How do I regard, how should I regard those comments I mean there are some of them that are what I would call new ideas to me didn't think about that. And they're useful in that way. New ideas new perspectives didn't think about that. But there are others of them that maybe are not new ideas, but the numbers are small. So when you say more formal at the end they should be dealt with a more formal way I want to just get a little meat on those bones, what does that mean how do we do me to pull up the spreadsheet Craig and then you can, I can, is that trouble or not. Yes, I think that would be helpful. I'll move as you tell me you want me to move. Fantastic. So the view you've got right now is perfect. So Austin to elaborate on my response before, or my comments before. So in the past on other projects, we haven't the, the community has not gone through this detailed list. Rather it was that if a couple people, different individuals who happen to attend a public meeting, made a comment or series of comments that were similar, that would register in everyone's mind the design team and the building committee here where the collection of information is more, you know, tailored to the to the remote or asynchronous. Fairway, or reasonable way that I can see to collect it all so so wait everything the same. Have all that as raw information, then that raw information be processed in some way and I don't know exactly the best way to process that what I'm kind of thinking would be either someone from the design subcommittee or the design subcommittee itself would quickly go through all of these and start drawing out common themes. So once those common themes are identified, then they can really be discussed in depth. And then a, you know, a response could be generated. And then I was sort of envisioning maybe, you know, since that's the case maybe a response to each one of these would would. And Alex if you'll just scroll down to just give people a feel for the volume of comments. So there are a lot of comments as Alex was saying, 216 something unique ones. But you can see they fit into these categories. In general, you know, interior exterior historic considerations sustainable considerations programs at the library. So, maybe the design team can take those, you know, one category of time talk about what they see. And then develop a plan based on based on that, along with all the other considerations that go into a project such as, you know, the feasibility of various ideas, budgetary considerations. Things like that.  Thanks. Yeah, that's all really useful I think. You know what I'm hearing and correct me if I'm wrong Austin but I think this goes back to something you brought up in one of our earliest meetings of like what is the purview or the charge of this subcommittee. And it sounds like, I mean at this point, we have the raw data. I, I hear the pathway forwards for us to present that raw data in a format that demonstrates the frequency with which an idea comes up. But it sounds like there is clarification work to be done by the larger library committee on account move forwards beanbag chairs particularly. And so we have to figure out is that is what is that process and does it start with us does that start in the design committee. And so I might want to just push that back to the larger group next Tuesday to get some clarity. Thanks. I see that somebody in the audience has their hand up. Folks are amenable I'm going to go ahead and bring them into the meeting to. Okay, Chris did I do it. Hey, I did it.  Hi Chris riddle. I was not at the event and wish I had been. My basic question is the danger of an event like this, the political danger of their event like this people a large number of people make earnest suggestions. And some of them you can accommodate some of them you can't. I'm sure you must have thought about this issue. How was it presented. And to what extent do we have to worry about. Oh, I went that meeting and I gave my suggestions and made it nothing ever happened. It just went off into the ether. So I presume you have a strategy to deal with that dynamic. I'd like to, I'd like to know what it is. Thank you. Thanks. Do you want to respond to that or do you want me to respond to that Craig to respond. I was gonna say I'm more than happy to take a quick shot in that. I'm going to speak for myself personally. The, you know, I think when we were first discussing this event. I know that personally I was definitely pushing for this to be as broad. An audience as possible and we'll continue to do that. Right. And I think that there's been a lot of shared sentiment on making sure that as many people can participate as possible. That being said, there also has been a lot of work by colleagues and I really appreciate the work that's been done there, but also by the larger library committee to continue to try and understand where and when public input is most effective and on what is it is most effective. And so I know for example at the event. There was one person who was a little disheartened that honestly the referendum vote had not gone the way that they had wanted. And so I was able to actually pull up the timeline and thank you for providing that and show them like here's when decisions are being made here's where public input is happening here's where we are today. And they went off and added comments to a couple of boards, as far as I know. And so I hear that and I think to answer, you know what the strategy would be around that is partially like. I'm speaking for myself personally is not to see each other is dangerous in this moment, but to see each other as collaborators who can bring together a better possibility. If we are honest about where we're at and what are the parameters that we face, given the nature of the grants the process, etc. Yeah, and I would just add to that being the one who typed up all the comments that I actually nothing really gave me pause I mean I really appreciate it there was a lot of. There were a lot of comments that really echoed what what the library saw back in 2016 when the public was initially, you know engaged in sort of that large commentary. But there were some really neat ideas that aren't revolutionary per se and I think, you know could very much be part of the building design and I think I also see this as a collaborative in terms of. So I'm, I don't think we've ever represented that the public is going to say X and we're going to do X I think it's been that, you know, we want to. It's a check in it's a check in with the public on where we are today in 2022 2022 post pandemic about community needs around the library and so I personally found the comments to be really great and really exciting and really affirming of a lot of the things that are already happening many of them, many of the things that are on the dream board I'm like oh that's going to happen already so I, I thought it was great. And I think there were some suggestions in there. You know there were some suggestions around universal design and the architects may already be thinking about these things you know somebody was talking about you know, adapting things for people who are color blind or I just, you know I just think the more people at the table the more the more we're thinking about you have more voices adding to the conversation and so I think it was, I think it was great. Austin. I think the question is not was the event great or are we going to be collaborative. I'm interested the question is, how are we going to work when we might have the perception that some people might have the perception that they've made a comment what happens to it. It is a complicated process. I think, for that reason as well. I regard the comments the suggestions as recommendations. They're recommendations to the building committee and the building committee is going to make recommendations to the town manager and the trustees are that some of the comments are really interesting to me in the sense of I had not thought about them. They pointed things out that just completely escaped me. So, if that's the view of the committee, then the committee will have a chance to kind of look at things with some fresh eyes. In the next day. What is done in the design of the library will be a set of recommendations made through the building committee to the town manager and the, and the trustees and members of the public are going to be invaluable in helping us think in new ways. And Alex as you said reinforcing some already existing dispositions. These in the comments. For example, the position of the Burnett gallery. That's a significant design issue. And it has implications for lots of things that's different from beanbag chairs or a comment about whether the front entrance should be accessible I believe there was one comment to that. So, I think we have a process. I don't know Chris we can't, you know, know what people are going to think we've been very clear about I think we've been clear about what the process is, and we'll try to remain clear about what the process is. But I think seeing these comments, opening new ideas. And seeing these comments reinforcing some things and seeing these comments call our attention to things. That's, that's why I think they're valuable, and I think they'll be valuable to the building committee. Okay. So, do we, as a committee want to send this spreadsheet up to the full building committee or to the design subcommittee or was this just a fun exercise for me to type up would like water. I mean I personally like the way that Craig organized it because for me right anything that was in program space was something that impacts how the schematic is drawn and so to me, the design subcommittee can quickly filter through you know the 200 comments and be like okay these things are immediate. And then, you know, again, it's not that the design subcommittee is, you know, changing the plans per se but again they're taking in community feedback and where it makes sense and where things can be adjusted and you know I mean this is a giant jigsaw puzzle of how it all fits together we can't just move a room because one room impacts all the other rooms but I still. I mean, I don't know I think it does make the, the, I think it's valuable so I liked that ability to be able to sort things and quickly get to, you know, being bag chairs on a priority right now it's great information to collect but you know we can look at that later. So I think my only concern sustainability comments about you know crossland and timber. That's a now decision right that's important to. So I liked the ability to sort them by priority, in terms of when, when that public comment is pertinent to the process. So, I think my only concern. I'm sorry. I think my only concern I that makes all the logical sense to me. And I also have a concern that that sort of prioritization. I think that's where we just got a cost estimate where we're 20% over cost runs, runs the risk of us getting to the bean bags and being in a tight position right and I don't, I don't mean to keep making this about bean bags but I really like bean bags. And so I just want to also be. I want to be intentional that like, if we are making decisions now about lumber, how do we also keep in mind that they will have ramifications on just the number of choices we will have when we get to the inside of the building. Does that make sense. Do you have any thoughts on that. I wish I had sort of a really good response that say like, no, no, we can have it all, but Xander is exactly right. The decisions that we're making that the building committee is making up front now will certainly have an impact on what are available in the future. Both cost wise as well as say, you know, spatial relationships. One thing that I've been talking about with some of the various committees I think the design subcommittee is the one that we spoke about at most, at most length is. All the, the very preliminary budget that we've got now for the other I'm sorry the preliminary construction cost estimate we have now is based on a lot of assumptions. And it's my recommendation not to start removing things from the project until we get more clarity more definition and a new cost estimate at the end of the schematic design phase which is in a couple months. So so recap, I wish you weren't right Xander but you are decisions that are made now will have implications down the road, but nonetheless they still need to be made. Well and Craig just to piggyback off that I mean one thing that further complicates that is so much of the most powerful or most actionable public commentary comes in the schematic design period. So, if we're talking about not eliminating stuff until after the schematic design period is over, then it becomes very hard for us to respond and say, no actually x, y and z were extremely important. I mean, not us but the community to respond and say actually x, y and z are important to us. So the schematic designs are there and that's the only way the jigsaw puzzle comes together and is 100% of the picture with 80% of the cost. Thanks Alex. I want to try to answer the question that you asked earlier, I think there's no design subcommittee meeting between now and next Tuesday. I'm having a building committee meeting. I believe that what should happen next is the results of the May 1 event should be shared with the building committee. The building committee should be invited to have a discussion of first discussion. G that was interesting G that was surprising to me G I hadn't thought about that. And the building committee can, if you will refer it to the design committee informed by the discussion of the building committee. I don't know that we should be spending lots of energy now, trying to talk about what's going to happen with the cost or the, that's a very important question. I think what we should be spending energy on now is thinking about outreach. So what are our next steps with outreach and make sure that we have our, our plan it's, it's still, it's, it's still in place. That's what I would see as the as our work at least for the moment. I'll send the results to the, to the whole committee. Let's have a conversation. The whole committee may say, look, design committee, you need to chew on those things. And you Alex then informing the committee. Look, here's our next public outreach event. Here's what we're going to do. So that's what I would myself think should be the process going forward from this committee, the design committee and what we should be doing as a outreach subcommittee. So, to my original question, what I'm hearing is that this spreadsheet work with that being the vehicle with which I send it to the Jones library building committee that was really my question. I'm going to utilize the spreadsheet that Craig suggested if everybody's on board with that, and then I will do just as Austin said, hearing no objection I'm going to do that so Craig you have to leave yes, which is great because we're actually that's a good segue into our item number four, which is planning our next events. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Thanks for, thanks for joining us Craig appreciate it. So, we have this schematic design. The designers are beginning schematic beginning the finalization of schematic designs on May 9, and that's going through July 1. So we have eight weeks, more essentially, there'll be community outreach after that but this sort of initial press is eight weeks. And then after that we move into you know color selections interior materials and different things. We had talked before about the town is working with the newly formed crests community responder equity safety group on community engagement specifically in the apartment complexes. So there are two currently scheduled one for May 22, which is a Sunday in two weeks at Olympia Oaks and they'll also be including people who live in butternut. And then one on June 11, which is a Saturday two weeks following that first one and that's going to be in village park. So we are invited to that event to have a table to take the show on the road. So one we need to figure out what taking the show on the road looks like. And then also just wanted to chat about, you know, are those two events out in the community enough, or are we hoping to have more than that I mean they give us really tight time frame so, and if more where might they be. So, I don't know if folks have thoughts or comments about that. No, no comments. Yes, awesome. That sounds terrific. I wonder whether I don't know enough to make the suggestion. So these are just thoughts ideas. Is there an event that could be held at the survival center that would be useful to us. Is there a desire to have an event for the senior community in town, whether it's at the bangs or at the Applewood. Is there some way to work so that we could use the, the markets on Saturday. So those are just some thoughts about other things that we might want to do. Alex, any thoughts. A awesome comments, I think, really have me thinking of like, or the combination of both roles comments really have me thinking about how, how do we make this possible to be on the road so that the survival center actually do that. Right, like, how do we empower other groups to have a conversation about their drones with their own constituents or communities in a way that they can bring back similar results, right, but are able to have that conversation right. And so I think there is one need for us to figure out how do we go on the road to an event like the 22nd because yes, that sounds great. I think there's also another thing of like, are there organizations that would be interested in having a conversation about the drones and working with us to put that on or to to run it themselves right. Great. Thanks. Yeah, so I, right, so. Okay, good. Do. Yeah, so I guess the big thing is going to be just coming up with a format of that so I guess I can work with folks at the library or possibly pull together some of the people who volunteered at the event and sort of brainstorm some ideas. Because the next one would be in two weeks. So, figuring out and it might just be as simple as, you know, taking what's up in the library right now which shows other people's you know they're sort of smaller boards of the different tables and people's comments already and, you know, making that more portable perhaps so. Okay, I can follow up on that. I would also say amazing number of volunteers that we had. I would be very interested to go back to them and sort of debrief like how did you feel the first one. What, how would you feel the next, like how would you make the next event happen. Because I think there was so much shared ownership in the Jones on the first that continuing to share that ownership will will continue that's Yeah, absolutely agree. Okay. Um, so, in terms of advertising for the next events I mean, all of the things that we're talking about sort of have sort of built in advertising whether it's survival center senior center farmers market so I think that'll be different than what we've done but sort of naturally lends itself to who we're trying to reach so unless someone wants to add to that. Another item, which is interesting that I'm going to propose is that in working with the community participation officers of the town. The town has a team at UMass that they're working with. And they work with in meeting participation tools. So the idea is that, you know, if we had a tool right now everybody who's in our audience would have the ability to sort of, you know, weigh in terms of what they're thinking. And what I was thinking about was in the design subcommittee meetings. Would it make sense potentially to use these participation tools so that as the design committee is discussing things, the people in the meeting can weigh in and again, setting up expectations is important right people are weighing in and you know if you've got 10 people in the meeting that's really not the entire town. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make a decision based on what those 10 people are saying but it's just a potential way given this tighter timeframe to have the community be engaged in the conversations around design. I don't know exactly how it works I know that it's been used by the town I know the town's trying to push it as a participation model. If there's interest. I can meet with a group find out more and then have them present at our May 10 meeting to sort of talk about what's possible. If folks think that's a good idea. You're muted Austin. I don't, I don't fully understand it, but I'm happy to hear more about it. The other thing Alex is we might want to do a couple of events are of this kind, namely virtual events, not everybody has access to the computers and that's certainly true. But why not take advantage of this kind of technology announced a couple of meetings on online at times that are better than this one for for folks and add that to the mix of ways of gathering of public comments. Great. Good. And then one last thing I just wanted to make note. On Saturday, May 7. Jen Moisten, who's a community participation officer just wanted to let us know that Julius Ford Harriet Tubman healthy living community in partnership with the Human Rights Commission has a healthy living community festival from 12 o'clock to five o'clock at Miller River. The suggestion was not that we table there because this is a very. This is an event meant for a very certain thing but that it might be a great place to come as community members and engage with other community members just as neighbors talking to neighbors about the library so I'm just putting that out there for anybody who's on the meeting it sounds like a really fabulous event music food games are poetry. It sounds, sounds fabulous so anybody who doesn't know about the event it is an event and that was a suggestion made to us. I'm going to open it back up for public comment. If anybody has anything they want to share out in the public. Yeah, it's okay for me to start one thing and before we just move on. Please. Sorry. I one thing that I think would be really helpful is when we go to the big group meeting. When we were talking as a committee is for us to alter think about what it. It is going to be like the last big time in the last big event before we finalize the schematic designs. And partially what I'm thinking is that as we do all of these neighborhood and partner events and whatnot. How do we also advertise that like, well and in the future there's going to be this thing before we finalize that and we want to bring people together so that these, these smaller site events, then are also funneling energy back towards a bigger event trying to get people talking to each other as well. Yeah, and I think the sort of tricky bit is, you know, because of COVID because of the lawsuit that was filed against the town, you know, because of, you know, the town council ultimately deciding to put this to a vote. And I think that is that we are two years later than we would have been which is driving costs right so those those variables are driving up the cost of the project. And so this eight week period that we're in right now, we are simultaneously gathering community feedback while they're drafting the schematic designs. So the end date of July one is when they're hoping to have schematic design finalized. So I'm not sure. So for me that's why I'm in this sort of push to do as much as I can, as much as we can in the eight weeks and just constantly be funneling information that's informing that process. Does that make sense. I mean, so essentially if we told everyone show up July 4 for a gallery walk through the comments, we would already be three days late. Yes. So I'm so I so we're keeping the comments posted at the library and we can certainly keep them posted online and updated real time we can also use the engage Amherst website. It's coming in over these eight weeks. So I'm yeah I mean that's that's that's what I'm really trying to sort of get us creatively thinking about is we're sort of, we're working side by side right. Yeah, because of because the initial comments were gathered back, you know, when this process started and so this is a check in like we're just keeping it moving along so. Anything, Austin do anything else that you want to. Yeah, good. Okay. Do we want to have our next meeting on May 17 which would put us back on the opposite Tuesdays of the Jones library building committee meetings do we think we need to be sooner is that opposite opposite Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah. So that would put us to that our next meeting would be May 17. Okay. Good. Okay. Any, anything I've missed or that you want to comment on or add to. Oh, sorry, I cut you off for public participation. That's okay. I'm just going to check back in with the participants and see if anybody would like to add any suggestions comments feedbacks about the event, anything at all. Public outreach group so anything anybody wants to contribute would be welcome. No hands. Great. Okay, there are no topics not anticipated by the chair. So with that, I'm going to call the meeting to adjournment at 446. Thank you members of the public who participated appreciate you being here. Thank you. Thank you, Austin, and I'll see you on May 10.