We are looking into matters of cancer, being the breast cancer month that is last year, last month was cancer for children and now we are looking into breast cancer, speaking to Jen Francis, a lecturer at the JQR, that is Jamukha Nyata University of Agriculture and Technology, good evening. Thank you for coming once again and last time we had a conversation it was a rushed one and we needed to get something. But today I need us to communicate to someone out there, we need to speak to even the young people because a mage to understand cancer doesn't choose just like covid, they choose who is cancer and cancer has been here for a while. But now to begin with I would like us to get to your story and I would want to know when were you diagnosed with cancer. I was diagnosed in 2014 and I was 48 years old and I remember when I was diagnosed at the same time a lady nurse in the hospital was being treated who had also just been going through the treatment and she was 24. So we can imagine she was half my age and I was 48 so just to say that cancer doesn't choose that you are old or of course the older you get the higher the risk factors. Actually age alone is a risk factor but also young people just like children can get cancer. And at this 2014 what stage were you? The stage of the cancer was discovered at stage 3b quite advanced in fact it was. I remember my doctor telling me had you waited for a week or two it could have gone to stage 4 and there is nothing they could have done for me. So that was very scary and when there is nothing we can do for you. So you start moving like you know adrenaline starts working so you have to move very fast to start the treatment. Alright and at this stage what prompted you to go to the hospital? How were things for you? How was it detected to be cancer? Because it was the left breast so I started scratching actually almost like 2-3 years ago. You know that each you have an itch and you want to scratch and every other time it would come then I would go buy some cream, I applied stops, I would change my blouses from like nylon to cotton. You know like when I see a doctor that's what they would tell me and so forth but it continued for like 2-3 years. So when it became too much and then I was a bit busy because I was also in between lecturing I was doing my PhD studies. So I was also a bit busy to concentrate to listen to my body but when I finished my coursework you have now to start research. So I had some time that period as I was now looking for money to start the research I thought now let me take time because also I had an issuance to do some tests here and there and really check why this continues. And then of course once in a while you watch October month because that's when there is a lot of this and you hear somebody was and my mother started telling me don't take it lightly so that scratching was not normal. And finally I went and did several tests ultrasound chest scan and so forth and then finally an ultrasound was found the tumor under the left breast. It was quite hidden and in fact I think was it not for somebody who knew me very well a classmate who is a radiotherapist I may not even have discovered it because she really took a lot of time on it. Now as a human we have a problem with receiving the message the acceptance you have been told you have cancer how did you react at that point and how did you get out of the shock if any. Luckily for me I had a good doctor that read the information in a good way despite the fact that it came in bits and pieces but again also because they were trying to confirm because you need to do a different test even after they see the tumor. They still want to do what they call a first test NFNA fine needle assessment and it's painful so they did it twice and they want to be sure for two things one is it really cancer and if so actually not three. Is it really cancer if so which stage and then which type because there are different types of cancer. So like now me they told me I'm triple negative other people are homono positive and so forth and negative. So all these things took time from April until June that's when I really knew this is the type of cancer I have this the stage. And now the doctor who finally did the biopsy and read for me the results said unfortunately it's quite advanced and I think also doing the FNA several times made the breast not look very nice. So I was told to start immediately with chemo therapy not surgery. Wow and this chemo many people speak of the chemo they do not know what happens in the chemo what does it take. Actually what is chemo for someone who always hears about chemotherapy. Okay I would speak from Aleman's language what for me I understood because I asked now of course even me when I was told now you have cancer and these are your three forms of treatment. I wanted to understand what what is this what is came because you know when when it's not you you never even think about it even people listening to me there. Unless they know somebody who has cancer they may not even bother with it. So until now it touches you then you want to know so.  It's a very strong chemical treatment but in liquid form because it used to be put in the vein and they are like three different protocols. I used to see what the first is put then some red medication and then again some more time then another time. So there are different types given because it takes a whole full hours even in between you are given a meal, tea or lunch. Because it also weakens you because being a poison aimed at killing cancer cells science has not been able to to have a chemo that kills only the cancer cells and leaves the good ones. So everything is killed and that's why people fear because when all your cells are killed I remember I did it on a Friday and by Monday I had lost 7 kgs because my body was not used to this strong substance in my body. So I was puting, I was losing nausea, everything you know. So when you are throwing up and you are not eating and you are not drinking then it can take you down. So the secret to survive chemo is to eat very well and to do a lot of juicing. You eat a lot of fruit juices and you prepare a lot of vegetable juices and then also OG and so forth.  Junior will agree with me in every situation in life we always need support system and when it comes to cancer we always look for someone to lean on. Especially when it comes now to the chemo you feel you weak like you have lost everything or the news that you have received. Now at the point you got diagnosed you have begun your chemo, how was your support system? It was quite tough let me say at the beginning because first I didn't even know whether I wanted to tell people or not. So I'm there like and I'm struggling on my own. I remember as I told you in my lecture you know juwa wali mo ana pesa mingi teacher he says he's a noble profession but the lowest paid. So I remember when I was told I have to start chemo una esa biwa an amount that comes to almost three million and that time the salary in your bank is a hundred because wushatwa nisha kila kitu. So I remember my last salary July a hundred ninety thousand was for the chemo and the other one was for consultation and a few tests.  And the moment you start the treatment most of the time you can't work because as I said it takes you down physically. So it's very difficult to do your own work. And in my case because it was very advanced it was tijzribi the doctor told me I needed to take five years leave of absence from especially the PhD studies and the lecturing. Otherwise it because I am triple negative triple negative means it's a rare type of cancer less than 10 percent of women have it in the world. They don't know the cause so they were like if this chemo doesn't work for you we are not sure what else. So they told me you have to take to concentrate. So my support system first was the family. I remember how to close my house and go home. My mother is the one who took care of me. And then she passed on two years later also to some form of liver cancer. But my siblings because I'm the first born they were there. Sometimes this one would take me to hospital and so forth. And when the financial burden started becoming heavier at some point we had to do what the first president recommended. Do Harambe. Thank God family cousins and classmates. So literally somebody told me just go to your phone whoever is there just send a message. You have this fundraising and let's see how many will come up for you. So it's the time actually to know you are your friends. And I'm grateful to everybody who has been there for me since then because it's been a long journey actually. Not just treatment here but also outside the country. You just mentioned something that I feel is quite important here.   And we have a group of young people here who don't regard their parents because they feel like they want to grow. They start disrespecting their parents or becoming something else.  That's a good lesson to learn. Now at this point people are taking good care of you. Were there any other programs that maybe you were enrolled in that enabled you through your treatment? Yes, you also mentioned the support system. So other than now that one of help to do the treatment the financial part of it the psychological part. And also to understand more this cancer and especially this triple negative. I came to meet other people in the hospital during the treatment. And so they introduced me to support groups like Faraja which is a based at Tempisha hospital. And Faraja was also started by one of our survivors, breast cancer survivor. And it has different programs to help you first to accept their talks every month. And for breast there is another week for cervical cancer. So their talks organized to help us understand. And there is yoga, there is meditation, there is exercises and because when they removed my breast my hand was also swelling. So there is also lymphatic drainage. So I would go for that. And then there is also Afrika Cancer Foundation which is founded by Mrs. Dorothinyongu. So she was also there for me. Actually she gave me a lot of materials to read. I actually didn't know what now I can explain to you. It came already therapy. So I remember in fact my first picture on treatment. Mrs. Dorothinyongu is the one who came to take me in Agakanen. I didn't treasure that picture because it started this journey. So from those support, two main support groups that I came across. At the Agakanen Hospital itself, we also had our own support group Agakanen Hospital support group. Where now you would meet other patients who are going through the treatment or who are finished. So like our chair lady that time she had finished the unfortunate issue she also passed on now. It came back a record. But at least I must say that every month that we would have the support group and only said to her and all those people who have survived that really encouraged me. And I've actually gone ahead and helped to form many other support groups. Even National Cancer Survivors Association. My own cancer information support network via which now from that same time I could go to the media. And because I also understood when the people are told they have cancer other than fear of dying and so forth. There's also that stigma I shouldn't speak about it. I didn't go out there to look for cancer. It just came that nobody looks for it. Even the children who are born and they have leukemia at maybe stage one month or two they don't look for it. It's a disease like any other. All right. I want you to hold on that thought. We take a very short break.  We'll be taking that short break in a while. But before then let's talk about the stigmatization. Because it is one of the biggest problems people have been facing. You are afraid of speaking out of your problem. All right. Now we can be taking that break. Then when we come back we talk about the stigmatization and how you overcame it. And most people who fear to go to hospitals is because they are afraid of stigmatization. Even during this COVID-19 people have been afraid of going to hospitals or getting to being only half COVID-19 due to fear of stigmatization. We take a very short break and when we come back we talk about that. Keep it to Y254. Thank you for keeping us company. This is Y254 Health Wednesday. Today we are talking about breast cancer. I'm speaking to Wanjin Francis Lecturer at JQ Art. And she's very comfortable speaking about cancer because many people out there are afraid of speaking of weight. And especially to the fact that they may be stigmatized. And that's the point we are in right now. We want to talk about stigmatization and how to fight it. Now Jean, stigmatization crops into almost every issue in life. And people have their own myth or notion how they feel. They start judging you for the kind of disease. And they do not know like, nini luqfanikia. But for you, if you were stigmatized, how did you fight through the process? Let me say, personally I didn't feel any stigma within myself. For some reason maybe you also know when you are at least a certain level of education, you can read also and understand what are the causes, what are the risk factor of this disease. And then my grandmother had cancer. So I had that experience. My father also had just passed on to cancer. So I knew even though I didn't know what it entailed. I didn't even know exactly how much the expenses would be. But I do know now that quite a number of people feel stigmatized because I think it's because, for example, first they become a burden to people because it's very expensive. And now you don't have enough money to go through. So you want to keep quiet about it. And most likely, if let's say, for example you are in the village, okona shamba okona ngombe. So feel like you may have to sell this and give your children with nothing. And then you will still go. That's the challenge I think most people prefer to hide. Other people maybe just because you see cancer takes at all on your body. So you've been having a very good body. You know, very well. And all of a sudden your body just goes down. Like for example, I think even the people who have HIV, most times we will never see about it. Or for example cervical cancer. But any type of cancer can take at all on you physically. And when that happens, you don't have to be in the open. You want people to know that different person or not this one that they know. So I think those are some of the main challenges that people fear stigma. But personally, ok, the only stigma that maybe I felt could be that you see one of the risk factors they say for cancer is obesity. Maybe you are big. So I say well, so I used to think is that why I've got cancer? But then as I said, even like my first interview with Victoria Rubadirio on MTV, there was a 24-year-old girl. She was half my age and she was half my size. So did she get cancer because years of the size or what? So cancer, the risk factors for cancer can be now also a cause for stigma. So you feel like that. But for me it's not really necessary and I don't know about it. I prefer to be like this than to be 20 kilograms after chemo. Now another thing that can be, you see they say lifestyle diseases. Brought by smoking, too much drinking alcohol, nya macho may know that. They say they put it as one of the lifestyle diseases. So the stigma will also come because it shows that maybe you are not able to do away with some of this. The discipline of life. And that's why now that's where now the stigma will come. All right. Finally my directors on Me Time is out. You threw your treatment. You found other ways of, I would say complimenting the treatment from cancer. And I see you have supplements here. Like one example, I don't know. Babab, that's babab powder. And you use it when you are doing your uji. That's atemisia. Atemisia is used to shrink cancer cells, fight malaria and so forth. And you know that one. It's also being used even in Madagascar to fight COVID. So they are atemisia. That's hibiscus. You just take it as a drink. It's an antioxidant. That's chia seeds. And also they have a lot of calcium for your body. So you just put it in your water. It grows and it's also very good for the gut system. Cleansing the gut system. So when you're using these supplements they would not interfere with the normal medications. Because these are just natural seeds. Natural vegetables. As much as those. And why I have to use them a lot is also because the type of cancer I have, triple negative, they don't know because it's not humon based.  Like 5 years, 10 years or more to stop the cancer from growing. So me I don't have that. So I have to go natural. This is your camera. I understand you have a project going on. Please give us your final recommendations and your message to the women out there. Even to the men. Because there is also cancer for men. Briefly your final recommendations. So I would like to encourage people especially women and even men to go for screening. Because this October the breast cancer month. Many hospitals are giving discounts. Some are even doing screening for free. So I encourage you to go for screening. And on 24th of October we are going also to have a day to celebrate survivorship. A Thanksgiving day and we have doctors who will come to speak to us at the St. Paul's Chapel. We encourage you to come and be with us if you have cancer patient and she doesn't know how to help herself or himself. So please do come and support us. We have a pay bill number 514422. Whatever you can donate we can be able to use for to support our patients who are very down and also to spend at that event. In a particular way I wish to express my gratitude to Hillary and this team they've been very good for us and I'm sure he'll also share our pay bill number on the social media pages. Can I give my number? 0722 369389. If you have a patient and she or he needs psychosocial support God has blessed me and I'm always there for you. So feel free to call me on 0722 369389 and those others who would like to support us with food, non perishable foods, companies out there whichever group that has unga, uji, rice and so forth please do give us because COVID-19 has also taken at all on many of our patients and a good diet will also go a long way to boost the immunity and help them overcome any challenges that can make cancer be a bigger challenge to them. Thank you. Alright, thank you so much Jen for coming and trying to demystify this problem that has been in the society and back home. Thank you so much for keeping us company. She has been my guest Jen Francis, a lecturer JK Hart and my name is Adereva Hillary. I was sitting in for Patricia Murioki. Have yourself a very good night. See you again next week. Good night.


Thank you so much for sticking with us. This is part of my name is Ram Maguko. It is a pleasure being with you on this fun Thursday morning. Thank you so much for sticking with us and tuning into your number one youth station. This is Y254 TV. Remember we are coming to you live from the broadcasting house here in Nairobi, Kenya. We are also streaming live through our website and that's www.kbc.co.ke4-y254. We value your feedback, engage with us and of course I'd like to extend a big thank you to each and every person that supports this show in one way or the other. We have been getting a positive feedback on this particular program and on say a Sunday sauna. Now today we want to start our conversation and let's have a man start again. You asked for it. We brought it back. Does money change a man? Does money change a man? Have you seen men who have, you know, work here or moka? For those who belong to the Swahili language, work here or moka? When I buy the liquor, does money change a man or does it make a man better? Does it make a man works? What is it that defines a man? When it comes to financial stability, does that play a role even in your relationship? Today let's have this conversation ladies and gentlemen and of course I'm starting to my far ride none other than Julius Kwamu. He's already a presenter and comedian aka Masai. How are you Julius? Thank you very much. I'm very happy to introduce you to a good friend. He passed me football so I'm going to have a rest in peace and a team of friends who are in the community corner. Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana. May I rest in peace, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana, Poli Nisana. And of course next to him you can see him on your screen there, none other than Antonin Janga. He is a life coach and cancelling psychologist, Poli Nisana. Let me see the man in white. Last time on Twitter. They can call me the man in half jacket. Learn the man in black. This is black. The last time the both of you are together the show was hot. The feedback was massive. I've never seen a man in white. I've never seen a man in white. I haven't seen a man in white. The conversation was good. The conversation was good. The conversation was good. The conversation was good. Let's talk about where the man makes the match. How much money do you have now? I have a lot of money, but I can't help you with the big deal. I just want to say that I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. You know, I used to go to school and now I'm an FC, you know. I changed my friends. Let's just say you go out and change. You don't take a burger. KFC?  It's like a tomb. It's like a tomb. I used to go to school, I didn't go to school. I used to go to school, I used to go to school, I used to buy skates. I used to ride a bike. I used to ride a bike. I used to say yes and no. In terms of money doesn't change a man. A man changes because of money. Money changes a man. Money has feelings and emotions. Money doesn't change a man. But people or a man changes because of money. Because money doesn't have feelings and emotions. People change because of you. Does it mean that you changed because of that you made me change? People change because of money. The moment money make a woman. Money can affect how you behave and how you act. That's one part of Italian drama. When the woman works, she is fired. She has to pay and she can offer as much as she wanted. She has to pay and she can offer her land to the people. But she can give the money to people. Yes and no. So this is not about money, it's about change. Money is about change.  That's why you should be able to pay for it. If you pay for it, and you want to pay for it, most of the people, not all, some, let's say some of the people, if you pay for it, maybe you want to pay for it, and you say, it's not your fault. It's about money. So is it the money that changed him? It is the person who changed him. Because of money. It's money. It's about change. I just want to pay for it, I want to change. I want to pay for your amount of money. I want to pay for it, but I want to pay for what I have to pay. I want to change. But I don't know if I will be able to pay for it. So you want to change your money? Yes, I want to change. That's why I'm saying, I'm not taking a risk, I'm not taking a risk. No, you're wrong. Ram, I'm being honest. Money is about money, and money is about money. You'll see why. You change because of money. It is you that makes money. Money is money. Money is money. Money is money. But can money change a man? Yes or no? Yes or no. I don't know. I don't know. Let me put it in the most simplest way possible. Money cannot change a person or a man. Money cannot change a person or a man. But a person changes because of money. Because money doesn't have feelings or emotions.  You involve your feelings and emotions towards money. As simple as that. If you know, you know. Money is money. It can change. Money is money. Money can change. Money is money. Money is money. Money is short term or long term. Money has seasons. Money has seasons. Money can change. Money has seasons. Before Covid, how many people had money? A lot. Before Covid, how many people had jobs? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea how this conversation has started. I have no idea how this conversation has started. Let me... You tell us what you think about this. You tell us what you think about this. Hey, does money change a man? Does money change a man? Can money change a man? Tell us. Go to our Facebook page. Drop in your comments on the comment section on our page. You will see our posts there. And of course, like, share, subscribe, and of course follow us on all our platforms. And if possible, also tag us. Tag me at Ramaguko. The official station handle is at Y254 channel. The hashtag is power talk show. You can also tag them. Facebook, Instagram official, MassComedian, Facebook, even Instagram, MassComedian. What can you always ask? Is a man naturally selfish? To the point that now, because of money, the selfishness reveals is revealed through the money. Selfishness. What I can say Ram, money reveals your hidden you. The moment you get money, can you look on a feature in a come-to-real? If you're a person, that's all. She has come to say, you don't see it. But people say, you don't see it. You don't see it. So selfishness, when you get money, it reveals who you are. That's why most people, when they see you, we're just humble, you don't see it, but the moment you get that money, that wealth, can you reveal yourself? When you see yourself, it's a man naturally selfish. Selfish. That's why I say, you don't see it. Selfish. You do have a word of introduction. No introduction, as if it's selfish. As if that's the case when or since we're the third people, but if you make it too welding, you'll release yourself. So if you see that selfish, you don't even know what to share. No, it's like wait a minute, all that stuff, S27. and they shared. All the ladies. You should bike experienced, you should be experienced when you are through there and want to share, secret comforts. they didn't want to share it all. You don't want to share it, because it admit okay. I don't want to talk about that. See how I'm like that. But also, there are people who say a man is selfish, actually ladies now they say a man is selfish, that's why I ask the ladies who say I cannot start with a man from scratch, because this man can get money and I say, how? So there are people who say a man is selfish, but naturally I wouldn't say a man is selfish. Now you see at the end of the day, there is this part of selfishness that I want to talk about when it comes to money. Now we have some people, who get into relationships, they don't have money, they're broke, flat broke and the woman will support this part. Pay the fee, pay the rent, buy his undies for their birthday, take them out, take them out, do everything, buy his clothes, and I'm liper, and I'm said to liper. A man gets money, it is now his money and he says, he uses the term his hard earned money and he will not give it to the woman. And that's why we have things like Stingy Men Association.         He's never broke money. He's never used the term, he's got something like that. You have to be careful, you know, we're all famous and we're all successfulmen.  You know what's fair, and we're not complaining on the outside. You said that was an instant when a man was born. they are men who put that in aspect of Mahaliya me toka Akiangaliya background Akiangaliya Vinyamelelewa And I don't know what I'm talking about But in my family I don't know what I'm talking about So most of them put Most of the men have that scenario Because they put it in mind that My background has not been that good So why should I even give this woman But it's not It's a very... Stupid mind Udiya me toka idea Exactly Yeah I don't know what I'm talking about I don't know what I'm talking about My life as an Akiangaliya Is that one of those things And I didn't know if you had that What do I mean like that That's right So the reason I say But I say that I'm not an Akiangaliya I don't need any help But people would be our support Let me give you another example We have these men Who are supposed to offer support To their women Marakuans are thanadu But he is rich money. There are people who are very selective on how much money is spent per month. But what do you want to know? Money is for me. Money is for me. Money is for me. Rent is for me. And this woman is having your child. Why can't men support their baby mamas with their own money? And why can't women get a job? So you see money is changing. So you are saying this is the only way you have a job? You are not the only one who has a job. When you are at work, you have to pay your child because it's the first time that you haven't had enough money to pay a child. Is that the first time? The first time. But remember whats happened in there. This isn't the first time to have a child Because it happens. Trap. But why can't you, whether it was a trap or not, that woman is saying that is your child. How should you handle the issue of money when it comes to baby mamas? Because now it seems like money is changing the whole, not just you, but money is changing the relationship in itself. I feel when it comes to baby mamas rum, and when it comes to baby mamas rum, when it comes to baby mamas rum, you have to use the number of baby mamas. That's how baby mamas are. I feel like there's not a problem. Not at all. I'm taking care of everything. No. I'm taking care of everything. Because there's not a problem, as you are in your own house, you have to fly and fly, because my son is in a different house. It's a simple budget. You do your thing. You're my child, What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? There are two types of money in the number and if you have a number, you don't have to pay for it. Do you think Ram would specify if he or her mother was dating or if he or she was having a baby with his mother? Regardless. Regardless. My baby is my mother. So two types of money. So two types of money, right? Yes. That's right. There are two types of money. But if you have a father and a sister, I have an emergency. What kind of emergency is a child? Emergency a day. It's two types of money. So two types of money. But you have to pay for it. There are two types of money. Trust you, if you have a father or a sister, you have to pay for it. You have to pay for it. And I was in a conversation with a lady who had a baby with her father. I said, I don't want to be a burden to you. There are rights, responsibilities, and people who have a father and a sister. Not all of them. And I have to pay for it.  He was 18 years old but he was 18 years old. He was 20 years old. He had a cousin's father. He was 18 years old. When he was 18, at the time, he married her. He came to his apartment and got married to a girl. This is the story of my daughter. This is the story of your daughter. When she was 19 years old, she was 18 years old. My daughter was 19 years old. She was 21 years old. When she was 19 years old, she was 22 years old. It was 1400 years old. Ten years old. My daughter was 19 years old. from out of what I'm acquainted with. King Paul Beck and I said, no, money does not change a man. MC last month and I said, and I said, why not? Why can't it change a man? A hundred percent. Mary, Margaret, I said, Mary, and I said, yes, it does. Who's a married man? And how they were together in poverty? She was the one who was there for him when he needed someone to be there. My opinion is that there are many women in the family who are like men. Men, man. So those women, Ram, who put money in their minds, they are good at it. They are good at it. So the point is, how they are. Check it. She was the one who was there. My wife was there for him. She was there for him to relax. I'm not sure. She was there for me to go to the police, to see if I can get it. I was there for her to see if she was there. 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And it's all about money. Does money change a man? What is your experience in regards to this? I love how people are communicating with us on our Facebook platform. And of course I would like to encourage you, if at all you've not shared your thoughts, get to our Facebook page, like the page, follow us on that page. Drop in your comments on the comments section where you will see our picture that is on Facebook. That's at Y254. Y254 is the Facebook page. And you've asked the question, let me know, does money change a man? Talk to us. The hashtag as always is a power talk show that is on Twitter and Facebook at Ram Agucco, on Twitter at Y254 channel. That's on Twitter. Head over to Facebook page. And of course I shall sample your feedback as you continue with this morning conversation. Of course, even as we are talking about this, I am with Antonin Jagger who is next to me and Masai to my far right, aka Julius Quangu, radio presenter and comedian. Gentlemen, I want us to proceed with the next conversation, the next part. Now, let's talk about social life.  Whether you believe this is how it ought to be. Once somebody gets money, their friends change. The kind of people they talk to change. The places they hang out change. Sacco changes. What is your thought on this? Is that how it should be? Because upon the party, what we do now, the childhood friends no longer are now their friends. I want to give you a good example. There's a friend of mine who was friends before, way back in 2017, she got money, she was just friends. Then I recently DMed her because she didn't have her number, because she changed her number, because she got money, she has fame and everything. We were friends, gone friends for like three years. Then she told me, I texted her and she told me exactly what she told me. She told me, if you work in a bank, if you work in a bank, if you work in a bank, that's what she told me. If you work in a bank, if you work in a bank, can you talk to people in the bank? You're not on a level. Even if you work in a bank. Let me give another example. On top of that question that we were talking about, when I was CEO, when I started working in security, When did you start working in security? I worked in a bank when I was working in a bank. But now I started working in security. Oh, yes. I was working in a bank. How much did you earn from that? I was working in a bank. You were working in a bank? Yes. I worked in a bank and I was working in a bank, I was working in a bank. What was the story? Was CEO and security like that? I was just asking the price of my money. I thought about something on that issue. I thought one thing people should know. As much as it wasσ causing my story, I thought about security. I thought about money. Money can't change. It can't change. But it can change what people associate with. Friendship can last, but money cannot last, if you don't know how to use it. Friendship can last, even though everyone loses their money, maybe their security doesn'tES, But also, we have to find the best and best people we can be. This is not a good thing to do. We need to find a good example. Is there a good example? I have to keep it down. Don't make your money. You can only make money by yourself. We don't have to make money. We don't have to spend money. You can only make money by yourself. If you want to make money by yourself, I would say, A lot of people say you have capitals. You have extra. It's all that. And I am very happy that you are there. I am very happy that you are here. What are the things that you want to jump in? Like I said, I don't have any money in China. I don't have any capitals. I don't have any money in China. I don't have any. Then you can ask him. Do you have any money? Yes, I have money. They're really nice people. But there are places where you can go without it. No, they don't have the same things. They don't have the same tires. Besides, two.  There's a little injury, bro. There's a little injury. He's really amazing.  I'm the one who should've lost.  Yeah. That's. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I was shocked, but I was like okay, okay. So, that's how it was. That's the thing. I don't know how would you? I was shocked, but I was like okay, okay. So, that's the thing. That's the thing. Okay. Okay. I was shocked but I was like, okay, okay. I'm not even sure. I don't know how to speak. I don't know how to speak. I don't know how to speak. It's okay. It's okay. Can I shock you? To look at a function, a big function together. Together. Here, I've been with you. We met in a very big function together. We were in the same, same category. Happo-Happo. Pardon? Yes. Happo-Happo. Convenient. Convenient? Okay. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? I know what I'm saying? There are some people who don't know. I don't know what I'm saying. You know what? money will never be harmful. What kind of money you'll never buy happiness? You create your own happiness. Then you know what? You create your own happiness with that money. Now let's talk about this, this thing. Happiness. There are people once they get money, they get into alcohol, drug abuse and addiction. And that is their form of happiness. Somebody skyrocketing to fame and glory. And all of a sudden you hear, oh, they're broke. Oh, they're into rehab. Oh, they're doing drugs. They're getting into so many things that they want considered to be some form of happiness, getting high and drunk. You know, research has shown that people wealthy people have a high risk of substance abuse. That's research. You know, I'm not sure if you're going to say, hey, man, say, bro, come away with happiness, I'm a chai, bro. I'm a stick to chai. I'm not sure. I'm just saying I'm rich and I'm a teacher. I'm a teacher. And if you're rich, you're motivated to get into drugs and substance abuse. There's no club, no. It's not the same. It's not the same.   Because if you're rich, you're not going to get into drugs.  It's a chai. It's a chai. It's 30 bucks. It's 50 bucks. But at the end of the day, these are the changes. And the things they buy, are a bit different.    And God is a chai. He's a chai.   If you're addicted, you get addicted, you start getting into fights with people in the bar because of money. Immoral behavior. Immorality. Sex trafficking. It's a bit of a jail time. Look, yes they have money. Yes, they live in a good place. We've had a lot of negative experiences.  I'm not happy. Because I'm drunk everyday, but I'm happy. She's not happy. You don't have any money? I don't have money. I'm not going to stay home and I'm happy. She's not happy financially, but her health is good. I'm not happy. I have to be careful. I have to go to the doctor. If you want to save money, you can buy a new potato. I wish for it. It's not expensive for you. It's cheap, right? If you want to save money, you can buy a new potato. But if you don't have any money, you will have to buy a new plant. You can buy a new plant and it can be used. You are summarizing this story. It depends on who is your boss, and who is your boss. Because when they see money, they will be in trouble. People will say that ever since that guy got money, he's been always drunk. He drinks every single day. Some people get high even in the morning. How many kids do you have? How many kids? How much money do you have? How much money do you have in your pocket? I don't have any money. I don't have anything to do with it. You have to pay. I said wait a minute. What do you say about it? I saw those things trending. People are saying, you know what? When Jacko is president, it will be legal. That's the conversion online. Exactly. But people are still using it.  They want to have a garden. They want to have a garden. They'll do it. When you have a garden, you'll learn that last week. But it's not about income. It's about money. Money. The context is, when it comes to money, somebody who was once sober, another Kolewa. Kolewa, yes. It's Kosawa. It's Kosawa. After Fegi, you'll know that Jacko is happy. You'll know that he's a pandanga. That's right. You'll know that he's a church. You'll know that he's the biggest smoker. He's a church. That's right.  He was later into the church. You have to be baptized, but no one respects that. When fiquei married, So it was really fun. I felt very glad, I was going to get some sleep, and feel like I was going to die of hunger, and the rest of the body will finish it all. Let's move on. Well, okay. Hey! Okay. What's up with that? It's money, money. Let's bring that money. I see. Money? And, what's up with these people who keep on saying that, oh, You've heard of such comments. Yes, it happens. You've heard of such comments. Yes. Money changing even men of God. It changes you because we used to start this conversion from before you got money. What was your prayer? Let's see if it's a man of God.  When you complete your prayer, you need to find something new to start the conversion. You're not the only one with money. Don't let it stick into your mind. The thing is, you're not the only one who does what we're doing to help the women. Money is what you get from the decent people. The decent ones are the ones who give you something and get for it.  That is the KEBORG. Let's talk about online presence, social media. Does money change a man? Do you guys have money? Facebook?    School fees. Show media. Do you guys have money? Do you guys have money? I don't know if there are any YouTube videos. But I have money. I have 2 AVs. I have 10,000. I have seen many of those. Some people don't have money. I don't have 100K. I have money. I have money from the school fees. I have money from the school fees. What does money change? I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. Do you have social media? I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. 2 AVs. I have a lot of money. I have 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs. 2 AVs. I have 2 AVs too. I also have to spend my money when I eat. For that money this is my business. I have kids. When you're making things, take a few tea for wine. Let's go to Facebook, I'm seeing so many comments I don't know if you'll be able to read all of them Timothee, you can just bring them up, I'm ready now Wow, wow, wow Let me go to Twitter, Facebook And feel free to comment This is Shahwin Gideon Money is a spirit and it changes a man Money is a spirit and it changes a man That's why I always say, don't brag about your good morals yet Wait until you get money to finance your temptations There are people who left church after getting money Money changes a man And I say, it can change things about me but not me Wow, there are things For sure Why? Why? This is fair Hey, hey, what's wrong with you? Flatterer, sir For me And I say, Mr. Gideon, give me some money Leave alone changing I don't know Timothee, I will come back to that point I want to talk about something that I almost forgot People who bleach after getting money I'm more freaky after money After money is gone You're not an elite You're a calligrapher MJ, Michael Jackson Calligrapher is an elite For sure When I see you, I'm Michael Jackson Michael Jackson is a bleach But should money change somebody like that? Literally change somebody That's the way to go, bro You cannot live in money That's the way to go That's right If you want to get money, you can go I have a brother I have an exam After that, I reflect money When I see a brother, I think I'm mad When I see a brother, I think I'm mad I never want people to see me If I see a brother, I say, I'm mad I say, I'm not mad If you don't have a brother, you can go I can't go, bro You can change What I can say is don't live in money You don't have money You have to spend money on your house Don't go out every time And what about this aspect of Bleaching Makeup Makeup They don't have the King Age Hey, hey That's what I'm talking about King Age They don't have the King Age Oh, guys I am here I am here So this is how you do it It's They don't have the money They don't have the money They don't have the money Maybe you have the eyebrows If you have eyebrows Rhymes Like a pattern with the eyebrows That's how the eyebrows looked After getting the money It became as thin as this It's the teeth They don't have the money They don't have the money There are your teeth In the middle In the middle They don't have the money They don't have the money I am giving you a dirty tongue Do you have money? People when they get money change because money has lived in their head and in their life. Don't let money live in you. What's the money? What's the money that you have to pay for it? But I don't have money, bro. You don't have money, but I have seasons. What time do you have to pay for it? It's the first season of my life. So I have to pay for it. I have to pay for it, bro. I have to pay for it. I have to pay for it, bro. I have to pay for it. I have to pay for it. I have to pay for it. I have to pay for it. Let's go to Facebook. Jane Namaks. Jane Namaks. Why are you asking this a question? Why are you asking a question? I can't judge a man, some people, some men. When they get money, all they think is adding another wife because they have money. Masai. I don't know why. I don't know why. Because I have a wife. You don't have money. What's the money? What's the money? I don't know. I have to maintain my life. I have to pay for it. I don't have money. I have to pay for it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We have this is Dur Aurora. I believe so. Yes. I am Judy from Kirinaga. Hi Judy. I hope you are well. I am saying money can change money. But a man can change because of money.  You can't live. What's the meaning of this? $$$ I don't know. Of course yes, but you should not. You should not do it. You should not do it. You should not do it. You should not do it. You should not do it. You should not do it. Oh, there's money. Oh!  Substance abuse. I'm not going to be a fireman in the future. That's why...  No, there's no noel. Let me come closer. Hey Ram, actually when men get money, they tend to acquire what they have always desired. Therefore, this man will actually change, meaning the money has changed him. Even his characters will change. We talked about that earlier, didn't we? Yes. Johnny Wayne, there is no good. There is no way God can bless you and work the same, same... and work the same. He can't change the working style. I don't know what he's talking about. Alright, let's go to Twitter. And this is... Hey, Nyakwa Roda. And this is Anamtu. Naniwi Anamtu. Anyway, this is Carlos Huncho. And this is Huncho Carl from Vashu. Money doesn't change anyone. It reveals the real you. It doesn't buy happiness, but crazy happiness. What do you mean by crazy? Crazy. I'm talking about happy. Vashu. Vashu. How is Vashu doing? I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing. Really. Speaking of that, and of course, we shall keep on sampling your feedback as we continue with this morning conversation. Let me head over to Facebook and there is a comment that I've just seen pop in. You guys, I will start by asking what is money? That is Paul Maher. What is money? Baby Ruan, most men change due to the money they have. I love Kareuki Benson. Of course, you will be a better person with money you will be able to give back to the community and provide for the family. True. True. What is money? You will bring up the other comments a bit later on as we bring this conversion later to a close. What is money? What is money? Money is the only thing. Money is the only thing. Your rate will change, bro. If you don't have a car, if you don't have an issue, your lifestyle will change. Money is not currency. Money is currency. Money cannot change you. Money is just currency. Money is currency too. Money is money, but I've never change. Even though you're a person who has a lot of money, you know, you have to spend money to get a job. My brother used to have a lot of money but now he has to spray money. So he's money. I'm not sure if he has money or not. But he's got a lot of money. Yeah, he's got a lot of money. I have a talking. I'm not sure if he has money or not. I'm a role model, I'm a botanist. What? I'm sorry. You're just kidding, I'll tell you what. I'm just telling you what, I'm re-feeling.  Ah, and brahri. As much as money changes people, don't let money change you.  I can't say I have something to do with me. Money shouldn't change who you are. It's just you. You know what, bro?      Let me bring it closer to some of our kids who are school going. Yes. When I was a kid, I went to school. When I went to school, I went home. I ended up going to school because I didn't have money. I remember back in high school, there were some boys who never liked going to class. They were always like that.   A king? Why? Money is the only thing you can do. You're going to be a king. Education doesn't matter. After I quit, I was in school for around 20 years. I had a college degree. I was in M.C. I had a job. So now, what do you think is right? Anthony? Doe. That's a town girl. So sad. That's what you think is right? I don't even beg example poor. What? Anthony. Anthony. Yeah? I am. I'm trying to give you an example. You know I convince you to say it out loud. What? You know example poor? Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. Diamond. you don't have to be financially educated. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. a final word about whether money can change a man. Let me start with you, Masai. I'm then to Kujaku Antony. Okay. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. All right, Anton. And earlier you said that money only reveals who you are. Yes. It doesn't change you. Yes. All right.  Money is just a currency, it's a resource, but it might be there long term. Ok, to me, a visuri can be there short term depending on how you use it. So just humble yourself. Ok, pata pesa. It's to me, a visuri, but don't let pride come into you because you have changed, because you have money and everything. Money can never change you. You only change because of money.   Then money put it last. You can call me if maybe you want to talk to me about any issue. I'm a counselling psychologist. My number is usually 0725 029398. I repeat, 0725 0293 98. Social media, official Anthony Njanga on Instagram, Facebook Anthony Njanga. Thank you very much. Anthony, thank you so much. Thank you very much. Mass comedian. I'm a mass comedian on Instagram. I don't have money. I don't have money. And I'd like us to end with the quotes. Bring it up Timothy. Tell us if you agree with this, that money doesn't change men. It merely unmasks them. If a man is naturally selfish or arrogant or greedy, the money brings that out. That's all. A quote by Henry Ford. Do you agree with that? Or not? Social media let us know. My name is Ram Magukko. I repeat of this show as again tonight at 10 p.m. Thank you so much for being with us. May God bless you. May God bless the rock of hands.  This is Power Talk.


So in this video, we're going to look at an example of a problem that we will solve using a looping strategy, in particular a Y loop. And then we will ask the question, could we actually write that in a for loop as well? Because in one of the previous videos, I told you that there are problems, so most problems can be solved with both a for and a Y loop, but there are problems that can only be solved with a Y loop that is more generic than the more specific for loop that can only work under certain circumstances. So let's look at the example, create a new notebook file and let's call it collards, named after a mathematician who has adjusted a game and then he asked a theoretically question about it. So let's go ahead and call the file collards conjecture. So conjecture in math world is always something that people think is correct, but they cannot prove it yet. So with high confidence, we know this is true, but we cannot prove it at using a mathematical proof concept. So let's do the following. Let's look at a game and the game goes like this. Given a positive integer, do the following. If the integer, if n or let's call it n, if given a positive integer, let's call it n. If n is even, then the next n is just half the previous n. So if n is 10, then the next n would just be 5. Otherwise, so if n is odd, then the next n is 3 times the old n plus 1. And the game ends, so game ends if n reaches 1. And now the question is, the big question is, does n always reach 1? So that is the game we're going to implement in code. So let's go ahead and do that. And of course, we are going ahead and we will do so in a while loop first. That is the whole point of this video because as we will see that this will be very hard to do with a for loop. So going ahead with a while loop, let's do the following. The pose n is, for example, 10. Let's write a while loop that checks a condition of when the game is done. And the condition is, once we reach the number 1. So in other words, while n is not equal to 1, this is the condition that is true as long as the game is still going on. So that is why we use a while loop here to determine if the game is still on or if we are already at the end. So let's go in the while loop. We now have to decide if the current n is either an even or an odd number. We know how to do that. So let's go ahead and say if n modulo divided by 2 has no rest. So if n percentage sign 2, so modulo operator has no rest, so division by 2 has no rest, then the new n is going to be the old n divided by 2. So now remember how when we looked into division using a single slash operator is the normal division operator. And this will always give us back a floating point number. However, n is supposed to be an integer at all times. So we start with an integer and we always get an integer just like this as well. So in other words, what we are going to do is we are going to use the double slash here. So n divided by 2 using the double slash will preserve the integer data type. And now if we see this here, if we see the new n is set to the old n divided by 2, what we could also do is we could simply use the shortcut version like this, double slash equals 2. So this is basically the shortcut version. And again, the double slash is only there to preserve the data type. Then we go ahead and say let's model the else clause. So in other words, if the number n is odd, then what we are going to do is the new n is going to be the old n times 3. So let's write 3 times n plus 1. And the second expression here cannot be simplified just like the first one here because the first one was a simple update, simply divide n by 2 and that's the new n. And here we have a second operand plus so we cannot make this any shorter. Okay, so this is basically it. And now let's also go ahead and in the first line in the y loop, let's also go ahead and simply write print n and let's print the current n on one line. Let's go ahead and the program outputs 10, 5, 16, 8, 4 and 2 and then 2 divided by 2 would be 1. So we would also have to go ahead and say print 1 here as well. And then we see the 1. Okay, the 1 is not shown because once n becomes 1, the y loop is basically over. So the condition becomes false and we are not going into the y loop again. So this print function called here will not happen once n has become 1. This is why we need to say print either n or print 1 down here. So print n also works, of course. Okay, and now we can play with it. So let's start. Let's say, for example, with 20 instead of 10 and let's see, 20 is even. So we divide it by 2, it becomes 10, 10 is even. So we divide it by 2, it becomes 5, 5 is odd. So we multiply it by 3 and add 1 to it, this becomes 16 and then so on. So now the question is, do we always get to the number 1? And it turns out that no one ever has proven it so far. And that is why we call this thing the collets conjecture and not the collets proof. If we could prove it, then probably this example would be called the collets proof in math terms, but it's not provenable. So we call it the collets conjecture. And now let's also get an intuition why this is the case. So let's start with 10 again and let's see that we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 numbers. If I go to, let's say, 100, I get more numbers, okay? So this already looks like if I start with a bigger N, then the series until I reach the number 1 must become longer. So let's go ahead and use 1,000. And 1,000 will still get longer, so it seems that our intuitive rules seems to hold. Let's go to 10,000 and all of a sudden the series becomes smaller again, okay? So depending on what the start value is, we either converge very fast or not so fast towards 1. But at the end of the day, we always reach 1 at least. Whenever I tried this function or this code here, I always reached 1 no matter what the start value was. So it seems like this statement is always true here, that do we always reach 1? The answer should be yes, but again, no one has proven it so far. And by the fact that this number, the series of numbers, until we reach 1 sometimes becomes longer as N increases and sometimes becomes smaller or shorter as N increases. This is already the indication or the intuition why this is mathematically a very hard problem to solve because there is no 1 to 1 correspondence between larger Ns and the length of the sequence we get. Okay? And if you want to write a function to do that, what we could do is we could highlight all the code. We indent everything to the left-hand side by one level. The first N, where it's set to 1 at 10,000 here, we don't need actually because we're going to write define the collet function. And the collet function will take N as the parameter. And now we have to go ahead and write some nice doc string. So let's do that. And let's go ahead and simply copy paste this here in here. And let's write here print a collet sequence in descending order, maybe. Let's have an empty line here. So now here we have a nice description of the game, given a positive integer N and so on. And then of course we should not forget to authorize arcs here. Then it's an integer and it must be a positive number. So let's write a positive number to start the collet sequence. And let me see if we have to change something here. No, we don't. So the idea of this function is, as it says in the subject line, print a collet sequence. Okay? So this function has a side effect. So it does not have a return value. That is why we don't have a return here. The function does not calculate something. It simply prints out the sequence because that is the task here. And if I execute this, I now have a function. And now I can go ahead and call the function a couple of times. For example, with the number 10. And let's do this. Make it 100. Then make it 1,000. We see it becomes longer. And then, as we just saw, if we make this 10,000, then the series all of a sudden becomes smaller again. Okay? So this is now in one picture how we could write that, how we could write a nice function doing that. It's nicely documented. And that is it. So why can we not use the for loop here to solve this problem? That is a theoretical question. And remember that in previous videos, when I introduced a couple of problems that were solved using a for loop, then I always said that we could always, before the code actually ran, tell how often we had to loop. Okay? So we could predict the number of iterations in the loop. The number of times that a certain piece of code was repeated was deterministic. We could calculate it. Okay? For factorial of three, for example, we know we have to do three iterations. For the Fibonacci number, it was not the same as the index of the Fibonacci number we wanted to calculate, but it was some constant smaller than this. Okay? So we could predict the number of iterations here, however, as we see, we cannot predict how long, how many numbers it takes, how many iterations it takes. That is the indication. That is the intuitive reason why we cannot use the for loop here. Okay? So in other words, the why loop can always be used whenever a for loop also works, but the for loop is usually a simplification. But then there are examples just like this example here, the collets conjecture, where we have to specify some end condition. And we are not sure when this is reached or if at all. Okay? That is why this example is also theoretical nature a bit to get a point across that not all problems can be solved using for loop. And in particular, in the next video, we are also going to look at how we can model interactive games, so games where a program takes input from a user, a guessing game, for example, like guessing a coin cost or something like that. And then the user, it depends on the user when the game is done. So also for interactive games or for whenever you write a program where a computer has to wait for manual input by some user, then also oftentimes you can implement that using a why loop and not in a for loop usually. Okay? So these are applications of the why loop. This is it for this video. And in the next video, we are going to see how we how else we can use the why loop. See you then.


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How what we're going to talk about today in the next 30 minutes. I might go a little bit long. I hope they don't Is what I call defending against the rat Have any of you heard of the red in this context? So you'll learn more about that that's kind of like the teaser We'll get into what the red is about a third of the way into the presentation Let's see did that did that okay? All right, so what's in the box? What are we going to talk about today?  This is not a physics class They're trying to cover physics a little bit of physics in five to seven minutes. We'll see how I do And also at the end of this, I hope you walk away with the idea that doing structural hardening on your home He doesn't have to be that hard. It doesn't have to be that expensive and you're here for anything other than my structural hardening hacks as I like to call it Maybe you're in the wrong space, but you can join anyone So the overall idea is to reduce the risk when you have to evacuate in my opinion I Like to evacuate with some sense of comfort knowing That my house has a fair chance of surviving a wild empire when it blows through That's what we're about. I use the lunar module here because that thing Was not built for a porous. It was not built for ocean It was not built for flying around the globe It was built for a specific environment. So it had to be specially built for that environment We're seeing an environment that we're Evolving to that we really need to build for in my head So here's kind of the takeaway here as part of the motivation So according to a December 2021 study from the National Barrel Economic Research a home built after the state updated wildfire standards in 2008 In 2008 into the building out in the residential column and the fire requirements for Hardier built houses went into effect for homes Very high fire severity those most average risk for wildfire according to this study 40% of those homes are less likely to be destroyed than a 90-90 home with the same expiry Some information that that's my house. It is not a hundred percent fire safe But I'll work on it. I just lit these up the other day on this side Home hardening considers the relationship between your home and its environment your neighbor's house How close the propane tank is the trees of vegetation around all those things And in a minute, I'll talk more about the rat But overall my concept is you want to build your make your house as best you can To be defend against a big old bad bookie man that I call the red R. E. P. And we'll get to that All right, this is a home garden home I believe this is one of the homes that were rebuilt in paradise as One of them is an IDHS scanner that this was built on I believe it's called, you know There's zero to five hard-scaping gravel. It's got I don't know if it has gutter guards on it Probably does You have the mental key going on instead of the wood gate for the household that this has all of the features that we're going to cover today That honestly don't have to break the bank. I don't think All right, visit so anybody want to tie me seal fast. I can get through this Everybody learned in grade school about the three things in physics that make fire. There's actually four things I won't go into the fourth Feel eat oxygen If you've got a field something it'll burn You've got the field if you got heat on the lighter You've got the heat or if this thing gets too hot it can light or if a bag of saunas gets too hot If you use friction When you're striking a match that heat starts the sulfur burning on top of that match to get that going on There's heat of friction. So those three things have to be in place to make fire Well, we can't do much about the oxygen. We regard our house He really can't do much except keep our house away from heat as best we can There we go and the fuel is in fact your house So you could do something about this as you can make the fuel less likely to ignite if you have a Fuel that looks like this is a lot easier to burn than fuel that looks like this, right? So the bigger the board is on your house the less likely the number is going to land there and ignite other thing to be aware of He Increases log rhythmically with the amount of fuel that's there So if you want one tree in your order, it's going to put out a certain VTU for key output If you've got a whole bunch of trees in there, it's going to be Full lock or heat coming from that. So that's a point for a member There's conduction convention irradiation irradiation is the heat you feel it comes through the air The closer you get to a heat source the hotter it gets also log rhythmically if that table was on fire I could stand here be very hot so Less hot way So the farther you go the cooler it gets also log rhythmically so keep that in mind closer things are to something Compressible the fire is as it gets closer. It's going to put out a lot more heat the closer that target gets Convection is heat through either air or water in this case. We're mostly going to be thinking about air So in a windy event winds can blow fire and embers in that wind mouth and push fire in a direction through Convection And then of course there's conduction if you touch something that's on like the lamp on that projector or something You'll know right away because you've directly conducted it. You touched it For the purposes of this explanation We're going to use a term direct flame contact has another term for conduction So those three principles come into play water converted the steam conservation of water theory I think it's called One drop of water once it turns to its while a point two hundred twelve degrees Fahrenheit will expand 1,700 times so one rock will make 7,700 drops what that does while it's doing that it's absorbing heat That's how firefighters put out fires while we use water You go in a building in a compartment a lot of heat put a little box cream in there Get your nose will get out let this water turn the steam suck all the heat out the steam will also help push, you know Combustible products out and then the fire goes up because you've taken the heat out And you're also helping to take a little bit of oxygen out So that's what's that so the point of this is if you have fuels around your house that are Moist like well-irrigated plants they're gonna hold up better than you know the pieces of your house Then in some cases probably been killed right I certainly have right out over the 20 30 40 years Not a lot of moisture there When we go through a drought for a long period of time things dry out trees lose their moisture Lidler fuels like this like classy feels lose their moisture quicker you come more hazardous faster than say, you know So that's that point I talked about that Let's talk about surface to mass ratio in this and jump off.  I don't know. Which would you pick to start a fire?  That's the state of conservation Or surface to mass ratio in the concept there is that There's smaller the part combustible particle the easier it is to ignite and then The bigger it is the more energy it takes to ignite Kind of and then the last thing I want to talk about is Fire behavior related to well-done fires. There's another triangle the fire service. There's lots of triangles Whether topography and fields whether you can't do much about go through a 10-year drought It is worth it can't do much about that if you live on a hill a south facing hill Where you get a lot of sun or I eat very often can't do much about that maybe move Don't move away And then there's feels again that's your house and also the plants around your home So those are things that you can do something about you can't do much about the mountain You can't do much about the weather, but again, you can do something with those fields like your house and You know you're surrounding combustibles So this is the red so with those concepts in mind today Did I do that 20 minutes oh Wow Okay, so With those concepts in mind The takeaway is when you leave here remember I Wanted to prevent my house from being attacked by the red R-E-G so the first in the red is That radiated heat and the way we do that is kind of reduce some thin vegetation that's close to the house so When these things catch fire The radiated heat will pre eat this make it easier to ignite another lower-temperature You know easier to ignite. I mean I Wore once it dried out, it's easier to ignite I should say This is flippable too So this is meant to be protecting the home this clips around if your house was on fire You want to keep the radiated heat from your house fire to getting into the porous You want to keep it from getting into that natural resource? You know the three things that cause 98% of wild vampires in California Men women and children Yeah, Ronnie Coleman was one of my mentors used to be the California State Fire Marshal and he told me that one days I prefer that you should know this who put in three things that cause 90% of fires in California. I don't know Haters know they women and children. Those are things. It's the infrastructure community development things like that is where most fires Star infrastructure power is looking at looking right down the line Being over a long I was caused by downtown.  We just did that. Did you know learn anything from California? We just did this in 2017 and after an error Come on learn from us you guys. That's so sad So radiated heat works both ways all these work both ways The e is embers in the RED. This is the worst. We'll focus a lot on embers Studies have shown that This probably causes the most fire spread in the structure into the built environment than any of these other two things embers Embers are terrible. I'll show you how that works in a moment with a practical demonstration They go everywhere. They can be big. They can be little Small as little bits of rice like I have here. So I'll use for my demonstration But yeah, they're insidious. They go everywhere and when they're blown by the wind they can land on anything That's really like combustible. You get a number or two on here a little bit. I get dropped on there a little wind on there Okay, there you go. It's next to your house. Oh there goes the house In one case one study it was discovered that a lot of the homes in the footprint burned from the inside out The embers got into the house and caused a fire in the attic or in the underfloor area and on storage Materials combustibles in the attic space or under floor in other places and started that stuff on fire and the homes did not burn Directly from the wildfire firefront they burn from the embers getting inside inside out It's like a torch and wars, you know sneaking in there and destroying everything you own And then the last is directly in contact This is where you have things right next to your house if an emperor lands catches on fire Then you've got that direct play contact. Do you got a wooden fence going all the way to your house? Ben sketches on fire way over here birds So that's something to be aware of as well so radiated heat flying embers in directly in contact That's what you're defending against for structural hard So how do we do that? That part before two thousand and eight most homes have bands With quarter inch metal. It was a building come your bed top before the fence so many square inches per square feet or cubic feet of area But one of the things we learned that with quarter inch mash if you have like these embers you heard embers I know it looks like that If these are ember These are ember Well, that doesn't now says instead of quarter inch right You can replace those with something with a much better You only take a one home improvement project To do to make your house more wild and fire safe. My recommend is switch out From those quarter inch beds to eighth inch mesh. That's what the coat of war is now for areas in the Louis High and very high parts of areas up. It's not really that hard These guys are all around the house, let me start there with the round bed These are about two fifty fifteen dollars for six of them on Amazon Pack of six fifteen of the bottom right so these are those beds when you have a plan to add it These are burn spotters off the heads they go between the trusses around the house on the eaves By these guys, these are actually smaller than one eight.  I won't go into why your house does need to bet otherwise things will get wrong and bad things will happen These are cold I just looked up soft at them This is Franklin Louver company These are my number one recommend For a couple hundred dollars probably do your whole house, but you do Oh By the way, I mentioned you don't need a permit do that permit not required Are you getting the pumpkin Oh Similar project these are the Vulcan The only difference really is that it has this material here that if there's a direct flame contact situation These will close up that gap completely and help keep everything out of that space in my opinion if You have a nearby threat that you can't do anything about like your neighbor's house In it's very close. I would go to the Vulcan that's that's on that side of the house This I don't know if I mentioned it fifteen dollars each so forty five bucks To do each of these it can get very expensive So it's up to you More risk reduction But I still think just popping in those two fifty dollar ones will give you a lot of bang for your buck without spending No, all the money for the Vulcan. So I'm not just involving products. I like them Same with the underfloor. Let's look at that Same sort of thing For 490a These are 490a and a home depot plus tap You could pop these off Put these in place Or you can even now like the Super direct you like or cheap You could buy a roll of eight inch mesh 25 bucks for 25p How to delay Pop these off Put this behind there Put those back on no repainting necessary. We've got the same look to be careful when you take the screws or nails out Um, yeah, don't bend anything. You can put those behind there put this back on So I estimated that Um a roll of eight inch mesh Should do 20 bucks if you do the math I would put it behind for aesthetics I don't know the question is Basically, if you do this, are you excluding the airflow to the point that it's going to be bad? I don't think so. I personally think it's a good trade off. I have worked a little bit in construction. Well, you don't know I built my house and Most of the time Now you can start to guys practice. I know I think most of the time when these go in there There's more of them than technically need to be there to do the math So and I really I haven't done the airflow on this I don't know For me I like if i'm evacuating Uh, I would feel a little better about this than this even if they're a little Reduction That's the Vulcan that's like popping a line with any of these vulcan beds if you're on a budget my recommend is If you have like I say A hazard that's closed You know if your propane tank is on that side of house if you're named messy neighbors If you go a lot of vegetation that you want to keep there Then go ahead and spend next money that's your peace of mind extra safety extra risk reduction with the vulcan beds on the outside of your house Um on the side where you get most of your wind Day to day put them on that side because that's probably where the fires come from so I'm a general contractor now um I would say on the eighth inch It's mainly about reducing the moisture underneath your home than actually adding And it's also a beekeeper Putting the eighth inch will reduce the amount of insects You'll have I was going to mention earlier. So A contractor or a former contractor Basically supporting what I have said and with the addition of it'll help keep the smaller critters out Which I think is good. Okay. I think I have a critter in my attic. I was actually looking at something A pile of net paper If you have if you're on a budget and can't afford to do everything with the high end beds like Vulcan Put those on the most at-risk face of your house When he get this was him with a blow torch for Demonstration purposes, please don't rip the plastic off because they'll get really greasy But when he hits the vulcan bed this honeycomb stuff has an intermissive material Which expands kind of we're old enough to remember that little black snake ones are worth a try Same like that same materials out these will expand like those and close the gap off completely to keep all air flow out If these do go off like that, you've got to replace them as well So Good question. Thank you for that to be clear Okay, so we did that talking Right. Oh, how hard could it be? Put on your hand clothes My recommend is doubt 230 Takes about a week to drive before you campaign it if you are painting it Um, this stuff is great. It'll cover a significant gap not terribly expensive 375 or 2 not bad the amount you need is going to depend on how many gaps you're trying to seal But you're trying to keep those embers out of nooks and crannies. So goal Is nothing no gaps bigger than an a again like the eighth inch screen So if you call the wide gaps If they're really wide you probably want to put a piece of trim in there and then call the edges of the trim But the idea is to keep out those embers and the critters as well keep that credit So Clocking don't terribly expensive How am I telling you? Okay, I thought I'd throw this in their nooks and crannies. I have to look it up According to the Cambridge dictionary nooks and crannies are small spaces in something or parts of something that are difficult to reach Fences, I don't need to spend a lot of time on this idea as I mentioned earlier is To not have a combustible fuse Right next to your house to light off this Easy fix put it on the chain link gate there to break it up Even if this is wood in your gates over there take out that wooden gate and put it in a non combustible gate 111 24 on people. I think a couple dollars less that factors a lot That's a way to fix up Another easier less expensive fix is if you do evacuate and you have a wooden gate Please put it on your evacuation plan Open the wooden gate set something very heavy in front of it. So the wind won't launch out So you break that continuity between the combustible fence, which is very easy to ignite most cases From lighting off your house a lot of fires started studies have shown Many, I don't know if I have lots of that sort many fires started Homes have been locked because the fence the evacuation catches the fence on fire and the fence catches the house on fire Really easy thing to think about now just require this That's not my house If you have a roof like a metal roof or a cow roof and you've got some gaps you want to ground those or caucus Sack of mortar mix probably about 60 bucks color probably for eight hours and get the color that matches whatever you're trying to match Mix it up again. It's more ladder work but Embers can get in here. You've got one of those metal roofs over an old roof Really thing age metal. Those are really bad because they're all wooden cleats and embers get into there That that can be a mess. Make sure there's no nooks and crannies for these guys embers to get in rain gutters more ladder work Cover them up in and make sure that they're clear a couple times a year a lot easier to clean stuff off of this Then it is to dig it out of that trench Oftentimes a dish you might even be able to just reach up there as best you can from a ladder and blow things off of a meat blower One thing I want to point out here is this looks to me like I don't know how many guys can see it, but it looks to me like This rain gunner was installed kind of like after the roof You know the rain gutters when they're installed can go two ways One before the roof sheet material the roof covering goes on or after It's better if the rain gutter goes on first and your shingles won't after because then you don't have an exposed wood edge In this case it looks like there might be a little bit of a wood edge here So I like that they don't cover this even still this is this exposed wood edge can be a problem All right, I'm gonna have to speed things along here Weather stripping around doors and windows Always a good idea remember anything greater than an eight. You want to try to squeeze down All these things so far are pretty inexpensive. No permit required Skylights if you they're wide open Again, eight inch mesh eight inch screen hardware cloth. It's called sometimes in larger sections cover those up If you're chimney if you're allowed to use your chimney or in a fireplace Make sure it has a Fire arrestor spark a rescue on it for a new spark arrestor a couple hundred dollars more ladder work I say that a lot because I like a lot. I used to be on the truck companies with satirized fire ladders were no problem But I've noticed the older I get the less I like funny ladders Um, this is an interesting thing here, um, if you call the situation like this Where you typically get an accumulation of woods or you know pine leaves Leaves pine needles stuff like that to build up there Not a bad idea to put some flashing here You know, they've got some flashing here kind of like that But up here if it goes along the roof and up the side wall a little bit Uh, and then car really well so you don't get water or embers in there In a perfect world you have nice metal flashing underneath there But even if you have that If this is combustible sidewall If you get that build up of you know the smaller materials and an amber gets there It can get that sidewall going even if you have a class A You don't have a class A sidewall So that's something to be aware of of course the flatter the more flat that arrangement is the riskier Um, but take a look at your house and see if you have nips and crannies where things are You know accumulated um windows Put shadows on them. If you don't know, you know about double paying kepper class Or the a way a little As you notice, I started with the easiest that we're getting to the harder stuff It's an idea. We just did a presentation on biostationoma We do a monthly show we follow our speaker series and on thursday it's a third thursday after a month from two to three It's on youtube we live streaming and then we do virtual as well But um this past thursday we have some folks from the california insurance christmas office And one of the things she said that insurance companies are accepting in lula Where we went there was double paying kepper class is shutters So that's an idea, you know But with some shutters on there again, they have to be tightened up where embers won't get in there Okay What's your youtube channel? fire safes If you go fire safes and all that YouTube you should hit it And that should be up on some of your live streams. I don't know if our post production got trending yet, but it should be up Windows if you're replacing your windows replace them with the good ones even if you're not You know, I have very high price very so my recommend is You know, if you're replacing them go ahead and do that. You gotta get double paying anyway for your energy um Get them with a second of tempered loss and they won't break and then when people ask what side should the tempered loss go Or nobody, you know, there's no requirement You have children that play mostly inside or outside If they play mostly inside put the tempered loss on the inside if they play mostly outside put her on the outside Uh, and then of course if you're replacing your roof definitely put a put a classy roof on I don't think you're allowed to do anything less than classy I am out fine. I don't think we have time for questions, but I'm already over time. Um What was that about the roof? Yes Yeah So most of this is not Kara and I took questions along the way Maybe just a couple of real quick questions, so I think I might have five minutes What did you say about plastic? Did you say something about plastic? Plastic? No, I don't think I said anything about plastic Yeah Okay, um, I think I'm on All right. Well, thank you guys


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