everybody tonight we're debating whether or not there are two suns and we're starting right now with our guest rose who is arguing on behalf of two suns thanks so much for being here with us rose the floor is all yours hello everybody yes my name is rose and i go by rose triple seven on my channel and i am on the crow triple seven team and we have recently had a new discovery related what is called the double sun anomaly so what i would like to do is first just give everyone some background information on the genesis that has brought us up to this point of the discovery and then what i'd like to do is explain what i think is going on and what a lot of my friends think is going on and just hear what carissa has to say about it because this is so brand new and so interesting so the first thing i'll say though is that the double sun it could be a misnomer because what we're looking at this other object this other luminary it's not exactly the same as the sun that we see in the sky and it's not visible usually to the naked eye and so we're also calling this other object that we've discovered that we now know is an actual physical object with its own electromagnetic field something like the source sun or even crow is calling it the spirit sun or the spiritual sun like think about maybe the source that is feeding what we're seeing so what happened was in 2015 crow was using his hydrogen alpha telescope with a double stack to shoot the sun and so this allows you to see things that you wouldn't normally see with your naked eye and he was moving his telescope around and all of a sudden he zoomed in on this other object that we couldn't see it with his eye but there was something there but he didn't have as much experience with the sun as he does with the moon because he became very popular for his discovery of the lunar wave and we've always thought oh gosh we're never how are we ever going to find out what the lunar wave is well now that we have made this discovery we do have a theory and it is related to what the lunar wave is so we'll get to that in the end as well so he didn't have as much experience with the moon so he didn't think much of it he posted it and moved on but then in 2018 he was reading some ancient texts attributed to fulconelli and he had an epiphany that there must be something to this double sun and so we did an episode on it which was episode 150 of crow triple seven radio and then we were contacted by another astronomer named chris van matree and he also captured this double sun as well and i'm going to show you the footage too i can show you all of this so you can see for yourself and so there are people that will say hey you guys don't know how to use your equipment this is like a reflection within the telescope but that cannot be possible because we're panning down the telescope so if you're moving the telescope in then where would the reflection be within the telescope and we also can discuss today bruster's angle which would be the only situation where it would double the light in nature and i have a video to show you guys what bruster's angle is too so this is all happening in 2018 and then recently we were just in south carolina for the solar return and chris van matree was there we put crow on the phone with him and they were talking about this double sun anomaly how can we learn more about this how can we know whether this is something that's worth looking at more and crow said well why don't is if only there was a way for you to take a polarized filter in front of the telescope while you're capturing the anomaly and guess what he was with cami nodel of globe buster's and cami is a total nerd and has been collecting and studying polarized filters for 40 years and so she's like take your pick and so chris van matree got the double sun in his telescope and they got the polarized filter in front of the telescope and they rotated the filter now what are polarized filters what they do is they they put make these little lines like you know you can't stare straight at the sun but if you're looking through blinds that are open those lines are just making it easier for the light to come through and for you to see it so that's mimicking what an electromagnetic field does an electric electromagnetic field generates does does the same thing to light so if you take two polarized filters and you rotate one in front of it it's this phenomena that the light gets canceled out so when they twisted the polarized filter in front of the telescope the sun that we don't see with our naked eyes was complete the light was completely canceled out that's only possible if the object that we're seeing has a field this is one filter you will never be able to take just one filter and twist it in front of something and cancel it out unless we're talking about bruster's angle which is a very specific angle that is unique to the medium okay so we know now that because we were able to turn the filter in front of the telescope that what the sun that we don't see is a thing it's a thing that exists and what we can think about as well as the whole idea of the black sun like you know the song black hole sun won't you come you know that song i think that that those sound garden they might know something that we didn't until now now we know too so and and there's and you can also look like cult of the black sun and so anyway there's i think this goes really deep and i'm prepared to go over the faraday effect the bruster's angle and bell's theorem which shows that there's some weird shit where you put a filter on top of a filter and the third filter gives you more light which shows that light is in a particle it only not only makes sense with wave theory so anyway i know i've said a lot right now and i love your maybe i maybe i made a mistake at the end so anyway what do you think chrissa james am i good to go uh well we will mention really quick folks before you guys do have your open dialogue our guests are linked in the description we really appreciate them and want to encourage you you can check out those links also want to let you know if it's your first time here at modern a debate consider hitting that subscribe button as we have many more juicy debates to come and so with that the floor is all yours thank you both for being with us thank you so much james um i had a quick question for you just to kind of clarify your position so do you feel like nasa is like do you think they they know about it and they're just trying to cover it up is that your like position on this well we know that there's a thing there and they don't teach us about it they have to know about it they have to how could they not 60 million dollars a day and they don't know they have to know they have to know so if they know about it and they're not telling about it yeah so what would be the motivation behind them not not not talking about it that's such a good question and this also explains why crucible seven has been so incredibly censored because i think that the lunar wave has something to do with this and what it does is it proves that the heliocentric model is incorrect that's why they're hiding it gotcha how much do you know about the heliocentric model and like the history behind it are you like familiar with like the three kepler's three laws of planetary motion right like okay does that have to do with the three body rule where if like you put a new body into the equation everything gets messed up no well to answer your question i would not say that i am anywhere uh near for more as familiar with the heliocentric model as a lot of okay yeah no no that's good um so just kind of give a little bit of context before we knew about gravity before we knew about any of this stuff back in the 1600s or a little actually before that hechopernicus i'm sure you've heard of that i'm a little bit um he came in and he like tinkered around a little bit with like heliocentricism um he didn't get things right he had this preconceived idea that everything had to be very circular in the heavens because it was kind of mixed between religious and aerostilian perspectives right like it was almost be like no one thought that the heavens could not be perfect so everyone thought that like these circles had to be like perfect circles that everything had to be moving the exact same speed all the time so before him um they had a lot of predictions about what we would see in the night sky right and the predictions just weren't right um they were right for a while because they had this like weird idea of like spinning spheres like 10 different spinning spheres and like crystal balls right weird stuff came from Aristotle he didn't know any better it was a long time ago right so what happened with cepernicus is he developed this model and then eventually it got to kepler who was a mathematician and he was able to develop a model that completely predicted the night sky 100 all the time and it was based on um very mathematical um calculations for ellipses right it's not circular it's elliptical right so the thing is if there is another object where the sun is number one you'd see it rotating the sun um because it would be orbiting it or it would just crash into the sun this are the two options because there's the closer that something is it would have to actually be orbiting even faster and faster and faster and kepler's model would not be correct which has been like perfectly correct for over 500 for 400 years i totally hear yet and that's like but that's the difficult thing about these debates when there's a disagreement on the fundamental aspects of the model because i mean it would it would be so i mean i could just say like oh i don't accept gravity which is true and then we're kind of at a stalemate yeah so um i do accept your argument as it pertains to the heliocentric model but since i don't accept the heliocentric model i'm imagining this happening on a different plane of a kind of different plane of existence and also i don't really know so so because of all of this i don't accept the regular explanation for what a sun is and the um the sun that we don't see i think okay i think that the sun that we are seeing with our eyes is actually a reflection of that source sun and the reason i think that and what supports that is because the polarized filter did not put that effect onto the sun that we see with our eyes it only cancelled out the light of the sun that we don't see and i have a video to share that that actually so you could see it yourself duplicated so i don't know if you if you're if you want to take a look at the footage and then we can talk about it yeah or i do i have a couple more questions yeah no yeah i think we can do all of them yeah we can talk just briefly i don't james i don't want you to think like we're going into a flat earth debate or a gravity debate i promise it's gonna wrap around it's gonna orbit around um but um how do you explain the moon in a flat earth perspective okay great question and the moon is one of the most mysterious things ever it's like i keep looking at it i'm just like what the hell is that thing but um i i think that the sun and the moon are really really close to us and that they're circling over and that their their role has is kind of kind is like they're playing a role in the earth being like a battery and so um i can show you in a minute i have it i have up here on a tab there's something called the heliospheric current sheet and by the heliocentric models explanation of that they're showing it but then they're putting like the orbiting planets going around it but the way i think that it could be instead is that the heliospheric current sheet is actually just going over the earth and the sun is the source of it creating that field that's turning and twisting that can affect ham radios and stuff and that is what is causing the lunar wave so the lunar if the if camino del is right about the lunar wave then that means the moon is some kind of crystalline structure that has biofringent birefringence properties to cause that double refraction of the lunar wave but the i understand what you're saying but i feel like the moon and the night sky in general with like polaris are you familiar with i'm sure you are the north star and then you have a south star which is only available um visible from like the southern hemisphere it's same with like the north star and it doesn't move and that's how before we knew about telescopes before we knew about any of this they were able to tell that the earth was actually round because if you have another for the moon specifically if you have a moon and if the earth is flat you only see one side of the moon we don't see the whole side of the moon so if the earth was flat would you would be getting different vantage points but since the earth has curved and since the moon rotates at the exact precise angle angle that actually um like the mathematically it works that we only see like 55 of the moon we the only way that we saw the other side of it was to actually put a telescope into space and to look at the other side but like it's absolutely 100 impossible on a flat earth because depending on where you were especially since we know the earth is so big you'd be seeing different points in the moon which we just don't well i think that maybe that would make sense if the moon really was 239 000 miles away but if we're having the but if the moon is a much closer to us or at a different distance the angle the angles will not work there's literally no way like i'm in that i'm in math major right there's literally no way like looking at trig looking at geometry that you can have a 3d object without seeing different parts of it unless it's rotating and if it's like going around an actual circular object like this is why throughout history it was very clear to people and this wasn't was not even like a debated point that the earth was spherical and if the earth is spherical that necessitates the need for gravity because of course we don't have people falling off the south pole right all right well i don't accept that i don't accept that that is a valid explanation for what we're seeing but that's because i haven't looked into the mathematics that you're talking about so i would be interested in learning like everything about what you just described yeah and so maybe we can talk afterwards and i i don't want to like and also another thing is that there are a lot of flat earthers that totally hate this topic they think that this compromises their beliefs about the moon and the sun too so this is fucking everybody yet like nobody nobody's happy about this at all so i mean so so that's what i'm saying is that we have you know new shit has come to light man and i just want to understand it too so i'm really glad that you're here to help me yeah from your perspective too because my perspective is if gravity exists which i feel like is just demonstrable from around earth then it would be 100 impossible for there to be an object that's very close to the sun because the way that masses work is that it would have to be rotating insanely quickly one of coupler's law of planetary motion is that the closer that you are to the sun there's a mathematical equation i don't have a memorized for the closer you are to the sun the faster you have to go and that's one of the things that is really interesting if you look at each of the eight planets they're 100 consistent and even more interesting the furthest or one of the furthest planets was able to actually be predicted because of how the gravitational pull affected the seventh planet right and this was before telescopes well you know what it was after telescopes but it was before we understood gravity i think it was a little bit before newton um it was Galileo a little after him that they they found actually the eighth planet and they were they realized it was all through prediction right they didn't even know they didn't see the planet or anything but they were able to see how the seventh planet was moving and they were able to predict through the laws of planetary emotion the eighth planet so it's like all these it seems like if you have a model and that's like how it is with gravity we don't know exactly how it works we just don't but we have this model we have this idea and we have like a formula and every single time we test it it's just what works we find planets you know there's like huge things we send people out into space and it works every single time i totally hear you and i'll respond to that by just saying that we like to call the sky a sky clock it's like a clock and without any of this modern technology all of the things that happen to the sky that we can predict are happening on a pattern it's it's it's all predictable yeah the use of that um but no that's what i'd like to do yeah there's been ancient there's an ancient like contraption that was discovered like i think i don't know if it was china or summer it was very ancient and this ancient technology was able to predict all of the luminaries and everything that they do and it's not based on a heliocentric model so you're you're 100 correct that there there was some prediction that could happen because if you even just clock when events happen even lunar eclipses like literally people in like ancient time periods astronomers were beheaded for not predicting things correctly predicting astronomy has been around for like a super long time but that doesn't mean that their model was nearly as foolproof as kepler's model in 1630 kepler's model has been able to predict every single thing like every single star in the sky like it's not even like a like it's like foolproof because he has the calculations right all right well so what i'd like to do is move forward with the conversation maybe what we can do is we could agree to disagree on the model and focus on the factual evidence of this anomaly and although we do in order to understand what it is we have to have a correct a foundation of understanding but since we aren't agreeing on that maybe we can reverse engineer our thoughts i can show you the evidence and then you can tell me what you think because i might be wrong about the conclusion but we know that we're seeing something and so i would just love to know what you think yeah for sure okay cool so the first thing i'm going to do is this has nothing to do with the experiment that we adjusted this is just to catch you up on what the what the double sun is before we even did the faraday yeah for sure let's go here i'm going to share my whole screen and i'm going to go over to this one oh wait i don't even know if are you going to be able to hear this well we can make it such that we can hear it so one thing is if you can do me a favor go back to the share button the same green button and click it mm-hmm oh share computer sound so that you'll be there you go got it all right i'm just going to fast forward it this isn't a copyrighted video but uh it's it's our uh it's it's us so don't worry you got it right here is my footage hydrogen of the double sun by another individual first footage you're going to see here is my footage hydrogen alpha scope with a double stack a solar max that is the sun you see with your eyes okay i'm going to pan around here and that's lens flare legitimate lens flare that you're seeing there there's the sun you see with your eyes and in a second here i need to go the other way there's lens flare there we go watch the top you'll see a little thing go by um this is the first time in the spring of 2016 that i discovered the double sun there's the sun we see with our eyes i'm still scanning around i'm going to scan back over and find the other object for the first time there it is top of frame this is the sun we do not see with our eyes now i was afraid to post this for a long time uh you're going to see that it will blur out i'll mess with focus i put a huge wrapping paper tube over the end of the solar max scope when you see the disturbance over the face this that's what's going on i'm trying to prove that this isn't lens flare but all those there right there i also take my hand and i do light blocking over the end of the scope which ironically the gentleman who i'm about to introduce to you who you should all go sub saw this footage way back in 2016 and he replicated what i did uh which i'm going to show you here in a minute which is proof positive another individual doing it scanning back there's a little bit of lens flare there's the real sun that we see with our eyes in the bottom of frame coming back into frame now i'm going to load another clip that i shot i think i did this three or four days in a row um coming back to try to confirm this now here's a new clip there's the sun you see with your eyes that is legitimate lens flare right there scan out there's the sun we don't see with our eyes on a new day i'm confirming it once again in a minute here i'm going to load footage from a gentleman called chris van mater who took out equipment and replicated exactly what i did here which is proof in the pudding but he did something more in one of the clips you're going to see a telephone line going in front of the sun we do not see which is also proof in itself again there's the sun we see here comes chris's footage uh there's the name of his channel you should all go up and sub him there's the sun we see with our eyes and there's the sun we do not that noise is because this is a rip of a rip um we'll have better footage of this as we move along but there is this he is confirming uh in the same spot in the same year in spring uh what i did here comes another clip by chris on a new day there is the sun we do not see with our eyes with a telephone wire in his field of view when he scans back over to the regular sun it's not there there's the sun we see with our eyes and again we're back to my footage here there's the sun we see there's the sun we do not see without a hydra alpha alpha scope with a double stack or a full spectrum camera i will say that it is my contention the second object can be detected in visual spectrum with just normal tools at sunrise and sunset here comes the sun we see so as we warm up here i'm going to be pairing off with some people to do more work on the sun here but there all right so that was the original footage that we shared back then and then we also have here oopsies alpha scope we also have okay wait that one i'm not going to show james because i don't want to do the uh i don't know if there's a copyright thing but let's see here we get rid of this we could show also the video without the audio and i think we'll actually be okay without infringing on any copyright if you want okay let's see here um i gotta get my mouse behind the thingy that spells theorem okay so right here no sound necessary here i'm just gonna um move it it over to this is the experiment live that was live streamed that's chris van matree good times for all zack he um filmed it or live streamed it so that's him bringing it into view that looks like it's probably the sun that we don't see right there and then let's see where they when they get the polarized filter in front of it i should have got the timestamp all right let's see if we get it there and i'm gonna post all of the i can send you all of these links or anyone who wants to contact me i'll send you all the links so you could look at all of these videos in detail and hear the audio i should have gotten the timestamp guys sorry well how about this well okay wait what here i'll send you the link and you'll see that this is like a 17 minute video and i don't want to waste too much time but let me just play you the um it recreated by zack let's see oh this freaking um thing oh here let me just do this how's that i'll stall for you 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filter doesn't do much to the light source what i found was very interesting though when i cover the original light source and grab the other filter come back here and look and as i put it in front of this the camera you'll see here watch this you can block out the original light source but the reflection still remains just as bright so the original light source is gone but the reflection is just as bright as it's ever been you cannot block polaroid light's reflection i can put it up here and you'll see see the reflection stays nice and bright but that the background there has to be a polaroid filter over that original light and just because there is doesn't mean that the second source will be blocked out by i just want to make a really quick point here which is that when there's a lot of flatterthers that are talking about well how come it's not that the firmament is polarized well when we're taking the polarized filter in front of the telescope it's only that point of light that's being blocked out otherwise it would be the whole screen that would do it if it was like across the sky a single filter filter we would we would need an additional filter to block out the reflected light over the reflected light itself see if i were to take this and lay it over this now that's now that one disappears that's what happened to the sun it is gone the the sun that we don't see what is that thing we have to figure this out current so it all has to do with a polaroid all right so do you have any any ideas to share about that so far i mean i do i feel like what was really interesting and i think it was the first video that you showed um he was talking about how it was visible with just your regular like telescopes and stuff but the number of amateur astronomers that are out all the time looking at like this guy also it's not just NASA every single that's another thing i had wanted to ask you about every single like at least developed country has like a space organization so there's something there's like a mathematical another mathematical situation that if there's like a conspiracy right it's really hard for the vast majority of people mathematically to be able to cover it up and keep covering it up right it's like mathematically impossible especially when you have language barriers especially when you have all these situations um like international stuff if there's not a definite reason to like you either have to think that like all astronomers are these just terrible people who just want to like just be like terrible to everyone in lie to them along with like all of the mathematical models that have worked for like 500 years like i'm not saying that there's i think it's a little sketchy right that like those lights could have just been turned off manually right we don't know we didn't know like on the other side what was happening we don't know what their power source was right there were many explanations to that but what we also see is we just don't see any actual astronomers plethora of astronomers who this is this their actual job none of them are seeing it and it's a little odd that like one guy who has a lot to monetize off of this it's making videos on it that seem a little bit sketchy you know it's crow and then chris fan maitre and then also there's a couple of other videos going around where like three hours into this like eight hour video there was this guy that i i'm sorry i don't have it but i just because you because part of your argument is that it was just one guy i just want to let you know that there are other videos with other astronomers and they're just like oh yeah everyone knows that there's a double sun you know like and they'll just like say it off hand it's like wait what wait there's other people that know about this what and um so and by the way and also my my feeling i and i can't prove this but i am of the opinion that yes all of the space agencies are in on it like i i think that like trump and hillary are probably like best friends who go to lunch together you know and i definitely think that it's all the world's a stage and i was talking to cammy earlier today and and it's something that i i really was thinking about was all of the amateur astronomers and all of the good people who have been compartmentalized into like focusing on their one job and doing this one thing and and they're just the heliocentric model the reason why it works so well is because it's like putting all of these good people who want to know the truth into like a prison of their mind where they're stuck in this like harry potter lord of the rings like fantasy world where everything's spinning and crazy and then they can't take the time to try and figure out what's really going on and what the true nature of reality well i mean you you have so there's plenty of like websites and stuff right that they actually predict like sterilla sterileum is actually one of them so yeah yeah sterileurium and actually like predicts exactly where the stars are going to be using like the mathematical algorithm and the models that we have and if you go out and actually look that's where the stars are i think it's a little weird to think that like all these like amateur astronomers are just like and a delusion when this has been going on for like centuries right and and not only did we just like did we track the star's movement after kepler developed his like model and everything we tracked previous and historical tracking of the stars as well so we have like a really long history of being correct on this also like people are asking me in chat i wanted to adjust address a really quick people are asking me why i'm not actually just like addressing that specific like evidence but my fair because you're just learning about it right now we're working through it guys be patient let her talk well and that's the thing is like evidence right can can be doctored when it's coming from youtube but we know is hundreds and hundreds of years of laws and gravitation and like science that has just repeatedly come through so that's why they become laws it's not just like theory the theory versus law thing is very arbitrary right so yeah i agree with you completely that it actually makes me so happy to hear you just not trust what you see on the screen because that's what i'm trying to get everyone to do i'm trying to get everyone to not trust what they see on their televisions or even if someone really nice like me who smiles a lot shows you something that doesn't mean that it i didn't you know screw it up or do something to it what i want to what this is what i want from this tonight i want there to be people out there that get their own hydrogen alpha telescopes with double stacks and polaroid filters and let's all try to do this i mean chris fan matrix he did it from colorado uh houston and south carolina crow did it from wrote uh actually he did it from san diego because now but now he's in rhode island so we just need more people collecting the footage and comparing the results that's the only way that i think that this can be done because trusting each other it's not working for me yeah yeah no that's fair i think that's i think we need to rely on empirical data we need to rely on the fact well let me ask you this when it comes because i'm really curious about this what do you think causes like apples to drop or things to float like that type of thing okay so a lot of people say that it's just um density and buoyancy but i don't think it's just that and that's another thing that people disagree about in the flat earth community because why is everything going in this direction yes the heavier things are going in a direction but why is it going down so there is a downward thing going on that we don't know like flat earthers and the heliocentric people can't really explain but i think it's important to note that the heliocentric people do say that gravity is not a force but an effect right no it's a force a force has to be a vector with magnitude and um direction right so that's how actually orbs work is that every single time that we're like rotating around the sun we're actually falling into the sun and there's two vectors there's a force of our motion forward and there's a force toward the sun and what happens is that um the vector kind of takes the middle of the road approach which makes it go kind of diagonally between those two arrows or vectors and that's what causes is the rotation so for example if i took a football you know if i throw a football it arcs if i threw it hard enough high enough it actually would start orbiting because it would keep on that force you know of course there's a law of things that are in motions tend to stay in motion unless there's a force acted against that so if it goes out of the atmosphere and everything it's going to keep on going um okay but can i just read this thing it's so i just typed in the address bar is gravity a force or an effect because i seriously am confused by this now and what it came up with is in general general relativity gravity is not a force between masses instead gravity is an effect of the warping of space and time in the presence of mass without a force acting upon it an object will still move in a straight line so without a force acting upon it an object will continue to move gravity is a force therefore if we throw something up it comes back down but isn't this paragraph saying that it's not a force between some type of effect relativity but if you actually look in like the this physics definition regular definition of gravity um it's going to tell you it's a force like i took physics it's definitely a force it's considered a force um yeah so so we do have do you have it so with physics and stuff how would you explain like like we have to like just pretend that you are going to accept the footage like if the footage is correct if there's if the polarized filter is blocking out the light coming from somewhere how would how would you explain that other than whatever that thing is having its own electromagnetic field or its own polarized filter in front of it which is so that's the thing is i don't actually really that's why i don't buy it because we have the wavelengths of light we have a very small um part of the wavelengths that are actually visible and beyond that there's gamma rays there's radio waves there are um x rays there's a ton of different rays um that are actually able still to be trackable we have telescopes in space right now that are actually gathering these types of light on the spectrum right and it's not it's not it's a continuous spectrum it's not like it's broken up and so there might be room for other type of light so we know how to document all this type of light we know how to of course the visible light we have that's how we get radio radio signal is not a sound it's a light a lot of people don't understand don't know that but there's like a lot of different types of waves just like the rest of us all said and that's the thing is i don't i know you mentioned before like light is actually a particle because it can come through i'm saying light isn't a particle it's a wave it has to be a particle because waves cannot travel through a vacuum just if they're okay so now i understand why you would think that i don't believe in this vacuum of space so that's why our debate is so difficult because you don't accept the footage and i don't accept the heliocentric model so why don't you believe in it and pass why okay so if you don't believe in density and if you don't well i do believe in density and buoyancy and i do believe that things are going down but i also am willing to admit that i just don't know right it's going down why are you opposed to gravity if things are going down like isn't that well okay you know what that that is a good question because i really should be able to disprove gravity before i throw it out the window but my source of of not accepting gravity comes from the personal observation that i did that caused me to be a flatter thur and not and not think that we're on a spinning ball because what i was able to zoom in on the super dome from 33.5 miles away when according to the curvature calculator the dome the roof of the dome should have been hidden by the supposed geometric horizon i am going to do you a favor and convert you back to a heliocentric model because what you heard is actually incorrect i know where this comes from it comes from zetetric or zetetic astronomy and the formula that you have is eight inches per mile squared and which is equal to sagita up to a thousand miles but that is not the correct calculation for the earth is the calculation for a parabola and the earth is not shaped into parabola the correct calculation is r minus r cosine of s divided by two r and that doesn't our stand for the radius and we've only drilled like up to eight miles we have no proof of the earth's radius so we can't use the standard we actually can tell the earth's radius because we can tell um um earthquakes help us because waves go through the earth and we can they actually come out the other side so we can track and we can tell the fact the very center of the earth the core is solid right above that is actually liquid and then it turns into like a kind of a rock but that's why you can is so interesting you should look into this when there is an earthquake on the other side of the world they pick it up they pick up the earthquake now you won't be able to actually feel it but they have and you can even create these on your own and i agree with you we should be practicing this practicing the science on their own but they can actually have seismographs that you can create in your house and you can detect earthquakes on the other side of the world because they shoot through the earth at the correct angles um where the fault is that causes the earthquake and you can actually it's a wave so it goes through and they can detect go ahead go ahead how do you know for sure from like in from the confines of your own mind if you're just like pretending if you're putting yourself into like a childlike place where you just don't know anything how would one know that it's actually the waves going through the planet the spherical planet to the other side and not just flying over the flat plane like to the other side and detecting it over there it's a good question it doesn't um it's much more prominent on the other side rather than like the sides because it was flying over then it wouldn't it would affect everything that it was flying over right it's not like it's going to pop over and just land it's a wave and it is caused within the earth so it's like a ripple effect and it goes through the entire like so with earthquakes you have a fault and what happens is you have two plates that keep have like tension and it like kind of bends slightly because the rocks are really really really really hot so they're a little bit more malleable than what you know what we experience on the crust of the earth right and so finally that that pressure has to give and that sends the ripple effect through the entire world and you can actually test it because there's many different types of of waves there's like s waves there's plenty of waves that um some of them actually travel through the earth some don't um and those are some defining factors of those waves and we can figure out how those waves travel and there's a ton of science behind it but like there's just so many and that's the thing is like if i feel like if i could only convince you that there's gravity which i feel like you're almost there because you see that like density and buoyancy they don't have directions they're not vectors they aren't forces they're just mass right so i feel like if you are seeing everything coming down you know there has to be a force and if you this the equation that you gave me is not right mathematically it's not it's a parabola um parabola is like it's something that goes like this or like this or like this and so this is this was my understanding of it yeah is that the that the eight inches per mile squared is a way to calculate up to a thousand miles then it's the top part you know what i mean so the parabola is the top part of it and so this part if you put a sphere next to the parabola that line would be identical or close enough with the okay well i don't have the i don't have like i'm going to look into it yeah there's literally no parabolas that are going to have a semicircle on the top of them okay no you know what as i'm as you're saying that i am imagining it yeah and so anyway um for me i still don't think that it would be possible to see what i saw on a on a curvature model uh is there a way that you can take the correct equation and plug in my data points and then you tell me if i was supposed to see it or not yes i can do that let's see and maybe we can do like a couple of different situations like if the camera was five feet off the water or 10 feet off the water and then we can pretend that the super dome was 30 miles away instead of 33.5 we can be very generous to the globe and call it 24 miles which is the length of like the length of uh lake poncha train we could do that um i've never actually worked with this formula before so i'm assuming that the radius is actually talking about the radius of the earth um the radius of the earth is going to be 6378 kilometers since we're american let's find it in miles mix it up so that's 3958.8 miles plug it into sheets because she's actually has a nice um thing for like calculation of trig stuff right so if we have r who's sign if we know that r is what do we see right i think i i'm sorry no oh my gosh this is so cool that you're even like i have so much ad d and i and i'm so impatient that i would not be capable of doing this on the air right now so just take your time and i also just looked at all the comments for the first time and i just want to say hi to everyone and how much i appreciate everyone's kindness and also i know i can't math right now someone asked if i can't can math right now no i cannot math at this time like i said i wouldn't be able to do that on the air i would need like time to focus so not here to learn i'm not sure i want to take this moment to remind you folks that our guests are linked in the description we really do appreciate our guests and so whether you're listening via youtube or via podcast all these podcasts that you see right here on the bottom right of your screen we want to let you know you can find their links both roses and carissa's in the description below and also thank you very much by the way rose and carissa i have been excited as there's just been a ton of positive feedback in the chat and so people it's uh we're thrilled to have you here folks and want to let you know we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science religion and politics and we want to let you know no matter what walk of life you are from for real folks christian atheist democrat republican flat earth globerth you name it we hope you feel welcome here and we're glad you're here thank you james i love your platform too and this is great and it's just it's so much fun just to interact with with different people with different ideas and oh while you're doing that chris did you want me to show you another little um video to demonstrate the faraday effect i won't do sound and i'll just like run it go for it i'm still trying to figure out what the s stands for you probably should have done than that before without um without the uh sound is okay james you okay i already showed that one so it is a magneto optic effect which shows the interaction between light and magnetic field in a medium it causes rotation of the plane oops i missed the last part the electromagnet is equipped with an analyzer left and the other with a polarizer right i love how official he looks with that apron and the gloves and then he's got his his friend there and she's gonna pull a lever and it's gonna like make it's gonna shift things so it creates that polarizing effect and the light's gonna go out so there's the light and as he's turning around that's the that's the effect of the polarization that's making it go out so there's that i mean i i want to go ahead i'll email you about this because i want to actually make sure i i did find what i did 100 fine is that this of course the x is equal to r cosine of you know the variable is the equation of a circle i'm just not 100 sure what the s stands for but i'm gonna do research on that i'll let you know okay cool i would love like if you want to ever come on my channel sometime and we can just like do math together you could just give me like a a lesson in math um it's been forever since i took math that i haven't taken math since college yeah no for sure um i think that the biggest thing though to is the are you gonna trust the because even like regardless it's going to be a circular equation and i feel like the fact that you were given the wrong equation might cast a little bit of doubt in your mind do you feel like that does oh okay i think that the i mean i also need to go back and look at all of this board too but the way i saw it was that the the eight inches per mile squared was the acceptable equation that can be done to calculate up to a thousand miles whether or not you should be seeing something and what i did was i went to the website that said earth curve calculators and i plugged in the information and it said that something that was 237 feet tall which is the roof of the super dome should have been hidden by the geometric horizon by hundreds of feet so that was what got me onto this path and there's a lot of other reasons why but i really like to only you know talk about my own firsthand observations but is there anything that that can come to your mind that you could say to explain i mean i know you say you don't accept the footage but like if the footage was real just like you saw in the demonstration that zach did yeah i how would you explain that i'm not i'm not 100 sure just because like there it could be so many things like even in astronomical history we they thought that galaxies that we were seeing in the skies were actually solar systems within our galaxy right so there's things that we see that like they look a certain way but they aren't that way actually Aristotle who was the first like recognized astronomer right even though he got a lot of stuff wrong one thing that he really nailed on was that i our eyes deceive us sometimes and that we should trust our reason right and to an extent i feel like that's true and i think that's we need to be skeptical of stuff right um but at the same time we need to have things tested and tested and tested for it to actually be taken seriously right and that's where i feel like number one it's not lining up with any of the mathematical evidence number two like yeah it's a little weird but at the same time so many things in reality that later become explainable yeah i mean it's it seems magical but i know that there's an explanation that once we get it then it will totally make sense just like the lunar wave i always thought that that was like such a magical looking thing have you ever seen the lunar wave do you know what it is no i haven't heard of that no okay let me show it to you um and this is like it it's crazy here let me show it to you uh share screen do you see the the moon there okay hold on i've got too many windows up here did you know you can actually see the spacecraft on the moon that like landed because we couldn't take the you know the whole thing back you can actually see the remnants of the spacecraft if you zoom in close enough to the moon isn't that crazy i don't expect that i haven't seen proof of that if you have proof of it send it over to me because i want to see uh please do yeah because that's that's what we want to do we want to try and get in front of a telescope that's big enough for like because i don't think that a consumer there's a guy named bruce sees all i think he's got a 14 inch telescope and that isn't able to zoom in so you must be referring to some kind of telescope that's owned by people i don't trust but that's okay so i want to see what you're asking would you only not trust nasa or you said you trust you don't trust any of the country's space agent no i don't trust any authority figure that has anything to do with war or slavery or the dumbing down a few any any government that is telling people to suffocate themselves while they walk through a door but then they can sit down in a restaurant and then take it off and be next to people i don't trust those motherfuckers but anyway let's uh let's look here i want you to really zone okay the first time that my boyfriend sent me this i told him that i saw and that it was really cool but i actually had no freaking clue what i was looking at because i was looking for like a black ufo but what we're looking at here is a there are these two like waves that are going up above the moon and they look to me they look digital but to other people who have like a lot of experience with optics and polarized light they say it looks really natural and so people will say crow this is just your equipment being messed up it's a mistake within your equipment and stuff but the camera pan just like with the hydrogen alpha telescope in the double sun he accidentally it's just providence that this happened he panned his camera down and when he panned the camera back up again the lunar wave caught up to the camera so here we go so it's gonna happen any second now he's gonna go down wait here we go now down see see it going up he passed it now it's gonna catch up there it is it's going that's the first wave i'm pointing at my screen and knowing to see my arm i can actually explain this one and then here's the other one don't tell me it's an airplane uh coming out the butt of an airplane no okay what do you think are you familiar with the term of seeing for astronomy so i'll just kind of explain it for the audience a little bit so seeing is what happens when you have an atmosphere right and we all know wind we know atmospheric um situations that make it actually difficult to see things in space because there's a lot of like activity happening in the atmosphere there's like a lot of wind and there's movement it's actually called it's called seeing and what happens with that is that it makes things like a little bit um like a little bit blurry or actually even move it looks like these things are moving and what what astronomers try to do to mitigate those factors is they go to like really tall mountains and where like the atmosphere is really really really thin and that helps another way is to actually go and send send it into space because it's seeing of course there's no atmosphere in space right so the seeing is a lot better in space or on really really tall mountains because what you could be having is you could have number one i feel like that looks just like a film i don't really either that i'm not really familiar with looking into a ton of of telescopes so it could be like just something that's a little doctored or that could actually be like some type of weather front coming in with like wind that creates a weird visual effect it's very common um and if you look at literally any like naked eye astronomy page they will tell you how to mitigate the factors of of like a bad seeing situation but how do you explain the camera pan and it catching up to the camera so i would understand if without the camera pan i would be like i don't know man but with the camera pan it starts the camera goes down and up again and then it catches up to it so that's why i think it's a natural occurrence and then um when we're like i was saying with the helios the heliospheric current sheet and you were talking about him you were talking about radio waves and stuff if you let me just get this stuff that so let me just show you the let me for i mean you probably know what this looks like but i'm going to just do it for uh everyone else who may not be familiar with it okay so here's the heliospheric current sheet and i was telling you before like in this picture it looks like these pedals but they have this orbital model in it so they're aware of this thing existing and they're applying it to the solar system model here but i'm going to say that it's actually the okay the spirit sun the source sun is creating this helios the heliospheric current sheet in these fields and then the moon as it's moving across the plane it's passing through and interacting with this field and cause and it's made out of some crystalline structure that's by refrigerant and so it's creating that double refraction as it's moving through and that's just a theory i have no idea if that's what's actually going on but i was just trying to brainstorm uh and then this is cami's idea that she's brainstorming how like what the lunar wave is in relation to this so i think that there's like three things going on up there and yeah and like you said it can't work with the heliospheric model and that's why they would be wanting to cover it up because it proves that their whole story is wrong gotcha um would you say that if given gravity was an existence given the earth was round would you say that the second moon would be impossible oh yes i will concede that if gravity was real and if the heliospheric model was correct then this could not be possible but since we're seeing it with our eyes and we know that it's real because of this given that the footage is real i know you don't accept that but in my my reality i am living and experiencing this is like my whole entire life and i know that it's real so that's how now i know that the heliospheric model is incorrect because you know that there's a thing there your entire life what this is my life this is my entire life right now this is like what i'm focused on this is my my passion do you feel like since you're so invested in it do you feel like that might be clouding your perspective on seeing new information and changing your mind totally could be totally and that's why i'm here is because i don't want to just talk to people that agree with me no matter what i say i want to hear i like and i know everyone in the chat was like why isn't she like actually addressing the evidence and stuff well this is your first time being presented with this so i know that you're gonna hopefully i hope that you go back to your astronomy teacher and just be like what the hell do i say to this crazy lady you know and then i'm gonna learn something no matter what about what he thinks and then what you think and there's nothing that can occur other than all of us learning more in studying this footage and what's going on yeah and also if you can agree with me that kitties are cute we can still be best friends forever no matter what sounds good i i definitely think kids are cute i do feel like i think i 100 agree with you that given gravity and given a heliocentric or even even just like the earth being round right i feel like this would be impossible so that's why i'm kind of trying to be like it's just doesn't seem and i understand like of course you're not going to be you're you have a lot of stuff to look into but i don't see like a huge convincer that gravity isn't real right and i don't see a huge convincer that a heliocentric model isn't real so with those two things it's a little hard for me since to me those are laws of science laws of nature it's a little weird for me to be like hey there could be a second moon right because it's just like there's so many things if i look through a telescope i can see something that's literally insane and then i realize it's my eyelash right like there's so many things that telescopes to that are so temperamental lab the lab in a chemistry class that was my eyelash in the microscope i'm like oh my god there's a spider in the pictures one 100 so you understand and that's where where i feel like once we establish those two more foundational things that you you know also thought were foundational i feel like the the theory of a second sign kind of just literally flies out the window yeah so yeah this is where we are and uh like in the same way that i totally am like interested in trying to learn more about this i know that there are so many other people out there and so for anyone out there who thought that that was interesting and want to look into it more just please like join us on the path to freedom and understanding from the you know the chains of slavery that are being put upon us by these government organizations who lie so that's my spiel and uh yeah that's all i've got juicy and carissa unless you have anything else we can jump into q and a i do i want to make a tiny little closing statement yeah um i feel like it's important to realize that there were a lot of statements here a lot of questions here i think both of us can look into more but we have hundreds and hundreds of years of data that back up the heliocentric model that back up like every single movement in in like the stars how it works has all been documented even before we knew about gravity people knew that the earth was round years like thousands of years ago like this this was figured out because of how the stars worked how you can't see the northern star from this southern hemisphere in vice versa there's many many different aspects that just don't make sense about a flat earth there are many different aspects that don't make sense about there not being gravity and given those two found out base foundational things a second sun could not exist because when there is gravity and when things are very close in close together you're going to see a ton either a ton of orbiting or you're going to see collision and given the fact that we don't see either of those things the theory while it might be puzzling cannot be taken seriously and that's all i have thank you so much chris i really appreciate your thoughts and taking the time to to hear me out oh for sure thank you this was a really good talk for sure juicy we appreciate you both and want to let you know folks both rose and chrissa are linked in the description so that you can hear plenty more where that came from as well as want to let you know folks if you look at the bottom right of your screen we are stoked for this friday's upcoming debate the book of daniel prophecy or forgery you don't want to miss it folks so if you enjoy juicy debates which you must if you're still here we'll hit that subscribe button and that notification bell so you don't miss this friday's epic debate on the 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it's our pleasure we hope you feel welcome here thank you and infinity split duff 456 says james blink twice over the next minute if you are a flat earth mark read thank you for your questions at rose why do none of these things done by amateurs ever get replicated in controlled laboratory conditions or do you think that everyone is just lying i think that all of the positions of authority the government agencies i think they're all lying and i think that we can now that we have this information we are going to be duplicating this in a controlled environment we are going to be playing around with this and getting data points and i mean i wish i could explain everything that they're going to be doing but campy and bob and chris van matry and crow are heavily invested in putting a lot of energy towards learning more and just remember this experiment just happened a few weeks ago and so we're all scrambling to gather data and so just stay tuned and we'll have more to share i hope you got it and this one from anthony dickinson says what do stars and so-called gravity have to do with a dark or second sun so that was from earlier in the debate and tell you that so stars prove that the earth is round because you cannot see polaris from the southern hemisphere and vice versa you also see when you stand on this on the northern hemisphere the stars right above you literally which shows that there is an axis in fact so that proves that the earth is round which contributes to the heliocentric model gravity has to do with how large a massive literally massive objects in space interact with each other the reason orbits work is because of gravity and they are necessitated to continue because no other force is being i guess exerted upon them other than their accelerate or not like the force that put them into motion as well as a gravitational force so that explains orbiting therefore if there are two very close objects together they would be gravitationally attracted to each other which means that they would either collide and things would be very very very bad for humans or they would be rotating around or revolving around each other those are literally the only two options given a heliocentric model and given gravity but i'm going to i'm going to challenge that the luminaries are what they say they are and that and i'm going to challenge that they're at the distances and that we can see the what we are seeing in the sky would make sense if all of those luminaries were closer to earth i can i actually respond to that really yeah yeah yeah um so actually are you familiar with who tychus or i think his name is yeah tychus was he was the guy before there's a crater called tychus on the moon right i mean there's a tychus crater i might have been named after him um it was the guy before kepler and he was not very important except he had really good observational skills right so he would be able to look up into the stars and track everything really well one thing he realized was that um he saw something new in the night sky and he realized there's something called i forget exactly what it's called i should know this um but if you like put your finger up to the sky and you know if you close one eye close the other eye your finger is going to move right if something is close enough if you close one eye and close the other eye the star and really really far or actually not too far out will move um in relation to that and that's how he realized that this new object in the sky was actually further than the moon because even with the moon if you close one eye close the other eye it's going to move and that actually has to do with distance in the sky and they were able to figure out and kind of estimate how far things were like hundreds and hundreds of years ago because of that like a little trick right so things were a lot closer we would actually be able to do that since they are so far away you can't that's all i have to say cool i'll have to look at what that word i can actually look for it during the rest of the q and a and i'll let you know but are you familiar with the and i cannot i am not uh well versed in this enough for me to make this as part of my argument but i'm just curious to know if you're familiar with like red shift and blue shift with magnetism no okay okay i'm gonna have to really brush up on this and then run this by you as well because supposedly that idea is something that can be used to disprove astronomy in general because that idea they they talk about it in regards to like a Doppler effect of of like the stars moving away from us i'm probably butchering list but anyway we should definitely come back and talk about astronomy in general and then i can brush up and try to challenge your points better yeah for sure juicy and thank you very much for this question coming in from anthony dickinson again says what do you start oh we actually got that one in collin dresser says scientific american did a recent article on how einstein is next in regards to the quote unquote theory on gravity as it is not defined carissa i'm sorry can you repeat that you but it's frankly i'm still like i'm like is there a missing comma i'm trying to figure out what it's exactly scientific american did a recent article on how einstein is next in regards to the quote unquote theory of gravity as it is not defined i think they're saying gravity is not defined the thing with grav so okay there's not like a law when it comes to theories versus laws scientifically it's a gray it's like a gray area um just because something is a theory doesn't mean it has not been proven um that's a really common like misconception um in some of the scientific community um that other people in the scientific community get mad about um but anyways um yeah it doesn't really that just doesn't really mean anything uh just to say it's called parallax what i was talking about with the changing and thank you very much this one also thank you for your question sigma any said three suns required to cancel atmospheric tidal waves that's true witsit gets it says your side claims gravity isn't a force since 1915 carissa gravity is considered a force and on tens and purposes whether it's like technically a force in like quantum physics i'm not 100 sure but it's considered a force because it's a vector that has magnitude and direction therefore we can treat it as one gosh yeah and witsit gets it hope you're well out there anamorphic mind says flat earthers can't perspective i'm confused amy newman i think they're go ahead rose i i know what you mean but i just don't agree with you next up amy newman says after show at my channel for carissa by the way i linked amy newman in i think it's pinned at the top of the chat and i will throw that after show link in the description want to let you know no matter what side of the debate you take folks we are willing to link after shows so for real no matter what position you take on this topic let me know and i can link an after show next up amy newman says question for carissa of what tangible benefit do the world's the world governments have for blocking out a sun seems like a waste of time and money or i guess i would more so be for rose well i like i said before i think that when you have all of these amazing minds like look at carissa you are extremely intelligent you are a beautiful soul so let's just say i'm right right let's say i'm right and they're lying about this now you are wasting all of this money and time going to a higher education where they're teaching you something wrong and your mind is going to be focused on lies when what you could be doing is you know focusing on the discovering the true nature of reality and and my and what i haven't said and this is adding on to it is that the reason why they want us to be stuck in a prison of lord of the rings harry potter magical bullshit is because we are divine special human beings and this place was made for us and that there is potential for us to be something more to be something higher to harness what is in our heart that that we know the difference between right and wrong and that that there is more for us here and i don't know what that looks like but i'm here let me give you an example like if cell phones never existed we might be telepathic by now just as an example you know what i mean like it's all these crutches of these man-made artificial systems that's making us retarded and so anyway i think that if we all were freed from these higher education stories and actually making firsthand observations and conversations like this who knows what the possibilities are i think they might be endless we're gonna jump into this next question i'm sorry james do we have a time for me to just make a little something so one thing i challenge the audience to consider is that i see this a lot in the flat earth perspective they say don't go to college because they will teach you things one of the biggest components of college is that they tell you how to observe these things for yourself they tell you why these things exist and they give you the tools such as equations and many things to substantiate the evidence that they have so it's a little bit interesting that flat earthers don't want you to go to college but they want you to watch their youtube videos because they know that you're not going to have the reasoning that it takes to figure out why they're wrong so i challenge you to do that actually look into the equations look into the math i know it's tough but it's worth it i'm going to be doing that equation to send over to rose to show her how far she can see into the horizon but that is from college it's not from globe buster on youtube i'm sorry go ahead james you got it and rose if you want i think the since the question was originally for you i can give you a chance to give a quick rebuttal before we go into the next one over a rebuttal i i'm i'm chill with uh chris's response and i'm just genuinely interested in in moving forward with all of these firsthand observations you got it and oh wait wait okay wait sorry the one more things for chris that went that sorry i just came to my mind so like we have technology that allows us to analyze data and plug information into those equations to get the result that you're expecting but then it's like have you ever thought about the the idea that maybe algorithms and data points are being skewed within the computer and then those data points are being plotted like for example google earth we're getting all this information that applies to a flat plane but then the computer is visualizing it onto a circle on the screen so that it looks like a globe and really it's like the same information would apply on the flat gotcha so for example with gravity we know that exact number that the force has onto the earth we know like um how far like the acceleration and everything so what happens is we can actually with our hands predict things we can predict how long it's going to take an apple to fall from a building using the mathematical tools that we have so it's not this like vague let's plug these numbers into the computer and it's just you know spitting out random like variables that's not what happens and um even with those computer systems they teach you how to do it by hand first and then you can like for example i use excel to make my math easier to make it quicker to be able to utilize it better in the future so i can just plug things in i know how to do it but it's just faster and that's what technology has been able to do for the scientific community and it's been able to calculate things at a much more detailed um level than we could by hand which has just transformed us to be able to like make computers to do all these things that rely on the laws that we know from education and from academia right that's how we're having this conversation right now is because of academia and because of the laws and because of people going to college and learning how to apply those laws in real life it's tested i think because the super chat was originally for you rose i got to give you the last word so we're not gaining up on you if you'd like a last word otherwise we'll go to the next one no i don't feel uh ganged up on at all i i think it's cool to go on to the next question i made my point clear and and carissa's point is clear and you got it juicy and thank you very much for your question southbound patchderm says rose rocks amazing you got a fan out there rose as well which it gets it says hey carissa can your pseudo scientific priesthood's model still be correct even though we have falsified the claimed radius value numerous times there might have been a mistake at some point potentially but um it's not no they actually the first time this is a fun little fact first time that they estimated the um diameter of the earth this guy was it was talking to like these travelers right and they told him where like the sun was from when they came um to the like the village he was at and he was able to track the distance and the time that it took them to get there and he was able to actually calculate a very precise um diameter of the world just off of that information and that was like in like the like 1300 so it was insane it was a really long time ago so i don't think it's very much pseudoscience it's just people being critical and not just watching youtube videos and believing what they want to hear juicy this one coming in from sigma n he says helio current were the helio current would destroy the moon without a third sun really going on about that they also say all physics need sun sun and sun moon balance therefore three sons you guys know what they're talking about not really can i make a comment about youtube and watching youtube videos chrissa yeah i mean i just hear this all the time where people are saying that like the tone like oh watching youtube videos as if that's like so um like for example you could you could like learn how to do an oil change and all of the heliocentric model all the stuff that you agree with can also be found on youtube so i think just because it's a youtube video shouldn't discredit it that's all i wanted to bring my husband's a youtuber so he has like a lot of pretty big audience i am all okay with youtube videos but i don't believe youtube should be the extent of your scientific education that's what i think juicy we yes also we want to say i think it was like two weeks ago we owe hunter a huge thank you for that epic panel so that was a lot of fun wait what does he do what does your husband talk about what's his uh politics he's a yeah a little thing super fun i think he might think he's part of the big bad government though no well is he does is he does he have a government job or he's just comments on he's okay with he's good with the mass stuff and okay he's just an accomplice right oh well i wouldn't say that i would probably the first thing i would jump to is misguided about the mask maybe he's a bad person point next up this one thank you very much for your question super straight earther says henry pascal showed that matter accelerates into pressure because of the conservation of momentum earth has a vertical pressure gradient of nine p a per m i think it's what would nine p a pascals pascals per is it meter i think so yeah all right i think that's i don't comprehend that enough to even know if that was directed towards me or chrissa so i feel like it was pretty academic so i don't know the craw daddy zero two nights as if you want to know the us has sent people to the moon just ask a russian you can find out the earth is a sphere just by driving instilling a globe instilling i'm so baffled you guys know what that means repeat that again they said if you want to know the us has sent people to the moon just ask a russian you can find out the earth is a sphere just by driving instilling a globe maybe maybe there's a typo there with instilling maybe there's that's supposed to be another verb yeah i would think so we appreciate the sentiment and s a this is maybe my favorite super chat ever they said can't stop picturing two little girls having a tea party over what they remember from school too sweet very sweet uh let's see the craw daddy zero two nights as i take it rose has never been a project manager i don't know what they're supposed to mean by that uh does that mean that i'm not good with time management and being efficient with my daily tasks or getting things done i've been a i haven't been a project matter but project manager but i was a training manager when i worked for citrix online and i taught everybody how to use go to my pc go to meeting and go to webinar from 2008 to 2011 so there and if i was still part of that company and had stuck god knows what happened this past year with collaborative software i'd probably be very wealthy and jay says i have a son i don't know about two playing on the word son michael lyon says 100 rose nice win panel there super straight earthers well craw daddy zero two nine strikes against his rose you think the government is lying welcome to the globe earth since there are plenty of government people that are flat earth and lying to you there's government people you have to watch out they're gonna come at you with those blue buster facts wait i don't understand with i don't understand what that point i don't understand some of these comments i'm sorry i don't i oh i think what they're maybe trying to argue is that like some people who work in government are actually flat earth people you know and so yeah that's true there's a there's a whistleblower that recently contacted david weiss the creator of the flatter sun moon and zodiac app and yeah there's some people that are pretty fed up with what's going on in the world and so maybe they're gonna be coming out a little bit more maybe we'll get some more deathbed confessions too that was juicy coming for that adsense coin right juicy there's a nice judo kind of using your questioner's momentum against them that's good uh sigma any says jk i just can't keep it up prediction confirmed i've died laughing rest in peace me love you all i think they were okay i think that they're confessing that they were trolling with the whole three sons thing i don't know uh jason day says smart girls are hot i think he's probably not talking about me so kudos uh let's see don't put yourself down please what was it i can't remember i heard today someone told me if i say you guys i say hello you guys you guys you guys and if i say that and there's some females in the group he's like oh it's not appropriate to say you guys so i've changed it now i'm just gonna say you people and then you guys just that's the new politically correct way as i'll say you people doesn't it matt i think that it's intent that matters everybody knows what you mean when you say you guys and even if you were trying to suggest that i wasn't a girl like why would i care because i know i'm a girl anyway i just understand why people are so offended by words i am fine with people saying you guys i'm joking i just like you people because i thought it sounded more offensive but uh next up i'm always saying that because of nightmare on elm street and my obsession with freddie krueger i feel perfectly comfortable with the word bitch so everybody's different it just that has to do with the kind of nostalgia programming that you were exposed to juicy and the other one what was it all right we'll get to let's get the next question this one coming from the advocate i n f j r h negative thanks for your i think you meant to attach a question let me know in the normal chat i can add that in if you meant to super straight earth there says continuing uh from their last one regarding the Pascal's nine Pascal's per meter they said this pressure gradient is is the vertical vector pointing down plus the relationship of relative density is why things fall gravity is fake boom the same thing is literally the same thing is the colloquially used word gravity but it's still considered gravity right so you're never gonna go off to it someone and be like hey what are what's happening with the Pascal you know your face is looking a little tired it's gravity it's a force it's going down it's a vector it might be in a pascalian like it's a it's a vector it's a force gotcha and this one coming in from do appreciate it whits it gets it strikes again he just can't help himself here he goes again he says falsified are that means it's been proven wrong stick that in your pipe and smoke it carissa all right i don't really have to go the craw daddy zero two nine says rose you have not been a project manager and let's see they said you know they're saying the reason that they said you must not be a project manager is because they were saying it would just be the ultimate of hard projects that for a project manager or any human to get everybody to collude and cover up the second son so they're saying like well they're like no project manager would ever you know think that was reasonable that's just impossible to keep that big of a secret what are you what's your response rose or your i think you're on mute i think there are there are bloodlines that have been controlling where we live for thousands of thousands of years and that they're they're playing out this extreme long game and they have this stuff down pat again let me remind you about all of the nonsense that so many people have been convinced of for this past year that required everybody to be working together they have been like if you look up the tavastock institute of um social engineering or human tavastock institute of human relations this is wait wait you know about this james you're working on your doctorate in psychology so obviously you know a thing or two about sociology and social engineering when people don't like you it's very easy for them to get together to deceive juicy and this one coming in from illiterate bear says check out the poppycock report with rose and baldini to have fun watching the fake news thanks for hosting james oh you're welcome yeah the poppycock report is that what it's called sounds fun and augmented space thanks for your question said a question for rose do you trust ultrasounds seismology is basically the same thing yes and i also just want to point out and this is this is why i asked chrissa about the data points on the globe because dutch since check out dut ch sin se and he actually i watched him live predict an earthquake on like he was like oh there's gonna be an earthquake like look it's like a river moving through and it's gonna happen in alaska and then an earthquake happened in alaska and he uses a globe he uses a spherical model when he's looking at all of the things happening so when i look at that and i know look here's a guy who's using this information to make predictions the data that he's using i'm just seeing it plotted around this ball when really you could unwrap it and look at the same information on a flat plane if that's how the software was designed god doesn't explain the waves on the other side of the earth just saying yeah i i heard i remember your answer about that but i didn't i like that like i said i i don't know enough to know whether that could also be explained in a different way like the waves traveling over them not through them because how are we detecting that the like that they're going through like can we actually know that it went through a solid object and that it didn't fly over the air like through the ether it's actually interesting because waves actually go through depending on the type of wave sometimes solid objects actually help them go through so like an interesting thing to sound is that it travels better and faster through solid objects than actually just like in the air um and that's kind of similar to some of the waves that we're seeing um so they have like mathematical models that kind of be like you know and that's actually how we know the um the different stratas of the earth is because we have been able to measure how it travels through when the um the waves are actually like dispersed and what types of waves are dispersed and which waves come through and what the magnitude of those waves that come through are we've been able to track really really really really big earthquakes and on the other side they're proportional to the the first earthquake compared to smaller earthquakes with again a proportionally smaller um earthquake on the other side so it's kind of it's like a one-to-one comparison we can observe it with many earthquakes it's been done many times it's a very common thing geology 101 you learn about it juicy and this one coming in from endo xd says akam's razor huge conspiracy or just people trying to understand the universe people have been trying to understand the universe and that's why we have science and that's why we have gravitational laws and the other laws think that one is for rose though i appreciate your absurdness person do you actually never mind i go ahead if you want to go for it now i i i my mind is moving a mile a minute i i will have i i'm just excited because i really want to stay in touch and sure for sure okay cool i really i think you're awesome and i love they're taking your tone and tenor of everything and and yeah i just appreciate you but anyway this lovey-devy stuff you have a lot of there's a lot of courage honestly if i had a really hot take i don't know if i'd be able to debate it like you are so kudos to you thanks the craw daddy strikes again he says rose it's not just people that know each other that are making globe earth i was in the navy i traveled around the globe and i think that the government lies too yeah yeah man welcome to the club we all we there's a lot of people that figure are figuring it out that there's a lot of fraud going on like for example like if you think that you have never been lied to like if it's hot not you chrissa but the general you everyone if people don't think that they could be mistaken about the nature of reality let me blow your mind with something completely unrelated to astronomy did you know that you do not need to have a driver's license insurance registration or license plates to travel from point a to point b in this country this has been ruled on and decided by the supreme court and it's only everyone's belief in the motor vehicle code by these municipal corporate governments in the local level it's only our belief in this bullshit that you pay your ticket and give your identification and do all of these things now i promise you 100 percent this is one of the most recent videos on my channel if you can convince the cop that you figured out that it's fraud and you could prove to them that you know and the same goes for income taxes you don't have to do any of that shit so why didn't you already know this ask yourself why why were you tricked into paying if anyone out there pays a traffic ticket without contacting me to find out how to get out of it you're i don't know what to tell you why would you pay money you don't have to pay free yourself from the enslavement of these prison systems thank you very much if this channel is not here tomorrow folks you have rose to thank us next up this one coming in from do appreciate your question anthony dickensin says rose are you going to have an aftershow i'm kind of getting tired got you maybe maybe yeah yeah how about this i'll definitely start when i just don't know how long it will last you got it and abc asked rose what do you believe it what the other planets said do you believe that they're flat do you believe they're global do they have one uh they're lights in the sky that's all i know i don't know exactly what they are i think they're a lot closer i don't think that the sizes or distances that were told but i will say this this is important i'm glad that this was brought up there are a lot of people out there who don't accept the heliocentric model but they're mistaken about like what the luminaries look like and as you know crow being an amateur astronomer and me paying a lot of attention to amateur amateur astronomy you know saturn jupiter venus they do look like that so it really pisses me off when flat earthers are like oh look at this like a Saturn it's it's just a CGI like no you can actually see those things i encourage people get a telescope those things do look like that but just because they look a certain way i mean you have to just try to imagine how programmed we are we're told what they are and so we accept it if you go to Karen bee's channel and you look at the video is it spherical there's a really great video that demonstrates that even though something can look like a sphere it could be completely different flat convex concave so check that out juicy we've heard of Karen bee i've seen Karen bee we'd love to host Karen bee if if you ever wanted to the door is open i'm sure you would because Karen bee is so awesome i don't know if she would be willing you know you'd have to really beg because that is one high level bitch i'm telling you excellent i will relay the message and sigman he says thank you very much they said rose would you argue with a land surveyor that they are inapt in their direct measurements of the earth and the curvature that is observed no i don't accept that at all because there's no measurable curvature gosh yeah with that we want to say we appreciate our guests so much they are linked in the description folks we cannot express our appreciation for rose thank you very much and for chrissa thank you very much for being on here tonight this is absolutely epic and so thanks everybody for hanging out with us and one last huge thank you to rose and chrissa thank you james so much for hosting and thank you so much for us for talking with me i think it was a really good talk me too chrissa cheers and thank you so much and we'll be in touch absolutely you guys are really fun to listen to you people are really fun to listen to we had one last question came in gamma drama mama bear says ladies do you both agree that the science is never really settled also could it be that the moon is a luminary plasma disk and that's why we have never seen the other side maybe it's not a sphere hell yeah if this one too so first off about the moon well yeah okay with science it's observational you can never know anything for 100 percent you can only make very educated guesses um with a ton of proof except kitty's being cute fair with a ton of proof and then um over a ton of and a ton of research and a ton of like testing that's when things become theories that's when things people actually start putting their faith in whatever that hypothesis was um secondly no the moon could not be a disk because you would not see the same face of the moon throughout the world if um it just wouldn't happen um mathematically since it's since it's a sphere you can see about 55 percent of the moon throughout the year um it's impossible to see the other side unless you actually go go into space and if it was actually a disk it would appear in different shapes depending on where you were in the earth so it's impossible for it to be a sphere um there's literally no way like physically it could actually work without a being a sphere juicy and we are waiting on pardon me both carissa and rose as the advocate ian fj rh negative i i i did mention your name before in chat i i did say that you had a super chat but i didn't see your a question attached to it if you put it into the chat as a normal chat just tag me with at moderne debate i can ask it really quick but just uh i want to let you know when you put a super chat in most people put the question in the super chat but uh never just easy you know it's all right but let me know really quick because i i do want to let our guests go i know that it's already been about two hours and we really appreciate them being with us and also though want to remind you folks this friday book of daniel prophecy or forgery you don't want to miss that debate so please do hit that subscribe button to be sure you don't miss it in that notification bell as we are waiting on our good friend in the chat who was just saying hey why didn't you read it i remember my first super chat uh let's see here ladies anything that you would like to uh kind of draw together the threads of tonight's discussion in q and a with oh wait we have the question the advocate just put it in said carissa why did china make a sun and mathematically where does it fit wait it's i don't know what they're talking about china they're talking about a sun simulator but i don't understand why like i i haven't looked into the sun simulator a lot but they can they can put like fake technology in the sky to make it look like for people's weddings it's like oh i'll have a full moon for my wedding you know they have the sun simulator too but that doesn't have an impact on i'm curious to know what that what why that question was asked because how does that have to do with the natural world it might try just making something fake yeah i've heard people say that they think that the moon is just a simulation but like the data that we have going back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years attracting all the celestial objects just completely debunks that juicy and one last question so sorry design i did miss your question that's embarrassing design one says one of you live on a merry-go-round the other lives inside a rollerball only one of your observations matches our reality guess which one i'll leave that to the audience to decide juicy so want to say thank you very much we appreciate you all watching and hanging out with us and i'll be back in just a moment with a post credit scene letting you know about many juicy upcoming debates we're excited about but again we can't say thank you enough rose and carissa we really do appreciate you thanks for spending your time with us tonight cheers