Hey. Sorry one second. I've confused myself with the technology, right? Good. So welcome to this meeting of the Global HLPAOR. Very good to see you here. We'll keep letting people in if they're in the lobby. I'm going to record the call because I know some people aren't available who wanted to be here. We tend to record most of the calls, so you can catch up on that and we'll be doing that. I'll just quickly share my screen so you can see the agenda for today. We're currently in the Welcome and Intro section. Then we're going to have an update from the HLPAOR side, so we have a few things to update you on. We have some information just around upcoming events. We're going to hear from Tresor who's going to give us an update on the work he's been doing on information management and use of data, and also hear a little bit more about some of the other things that are coming up in the next few months. Then I'm just back from a brief visit to Ukraine, so I thought I'd share just some brief reflections on that visit. I see Stuart here as well, who's the HLP Technical Working Group coordinator there, who not only was very helpful in the visit, but also can offer some reflections too. We also have an update from our colleagues from the Shelter Cluster, who are working on an HLP for Shelter toolkit, and maybe also have an update on the Shelter and Land Due Diligence revision that's going on. Then for me, often the best part is to hear from you, so to hear brief updates from either if you're working in operations, how are things there, what's going on. Maybe there's some specific resources that you want to discuss and share, or just a particular thing that's going on in your context where you're working. To hear updates from you would be great, and then if there's any other business, we will finish from there. That's what we're looking at doing today. I'm going to start with a brief update from the OOR side, and then to do that we're going to move to Tresor, who's going to speak to us about the work he's been doing on the information management data side for the last few months, and give us a sense of how that's developing and what's going on. So Tresor, over to you. Thank you, Jim. Hi, Trevor. Let me know if you can see my screen. Yeah, we see it well. Okay, thank you. So this is an update on the information management. So I will start first by the dashboard, so it is still the draft, but the idea behind the development of this dashboard was to get an overview of what is happening about the HRP, and it is important to note that the information was gathered from different humanitarian response plans, and that this information includes the people in need, the people targeted, and also the funding requirement for the HRP. And then, apart from that also, we have some missing information, and this information is about, for example, the people reached by the HRP assistance, and also the number of partners providing HLP assistance, and probably these two information will reach out to you two partners next year to start collecting the information about how many people have been reached by the HLP through the 2023 year. And in addition to that, you can also see that we have some information about the funds received for the HLP, and it is important to note that the funding data remain a big challenge, and not only for the HLP, but also for the other clusters. And this is because HLP expects most of the clusters to use the financial tracking system, the FTS, when communicating about the funding status. So, also, I used to expect most of the clusters to use the FTS, but unfortunately, the FTS does not necessarily provide the updated information, and also, when it is about, for example, a project that relates to the protection cluster, it is not possible to know how much amount was allocated exactly for different EUR. So, this was not a good option for us to get a sense of how many funding have been given to the HLP. And as the alternative, the Global Protection Cluster has undertaken the funding data collection exercise. And this data is collected directly from partner of National Protection Cluster around different information. And although the GPC data can also have some limitation, but for us, it was the only option that we could use in order to get the information about the funding on the HLP. So, the second point that I would like also to discuss is about the HLP indicators being used to monitor the 2023 humanitarian response. So, for example, we will start collecting the number of the people reached by HLP assistance. It's important to be aware that different countries use different indicators to monitor their HLP response. And actually, indicators are not formulated the same way. So, what we have done was to try first to group some indicators that are based on the similarity in their formulation. And this gave us seven indicators that you can see here. So, some relate to the dispute resolution, other relate to a number of persons provided with HLP legal assistance, and so on. So, the third point is about the website, the HLP website. As you all know, the HLP does not have a standalone website. So, we have a webpage hosted under the Global Protection Cluster website. And this year, we will continue updating the HLP webpages hosted under the GPC website. And the guidance, meeting, recording, training are available to this webpage. So, in my right, you can see the blueprint, because a few months ago, we have started a discussion about thinking how we would like our future website to look like. And this, it is only a blueprint. So, discussions on the development of the new HLP website will start next year, but we'll start first by turning around this blueprint before starting the development. And so, about the humanitarian planning cycle, I think that you may notice that actually, in different operations, so these are difficult situations, because most of the countries are in the process of humanitarian planning cycles. So, I have started discussions with some countries, especially the country from the West and Central African region. And this includes the Apoquina Faso, Cameroon, Mali, GRC, and Niger. And the discussion was about just to get an idea of how the process is going on, and also if there are any area of support where the HLP could support. And most of the requests that we are receiving, they relate to the methodology in estimating the people in need, and also the methodology in estimating the HLP severity of need. And also some requests also relate to the costing methodology of HLP during this HPC process. And also, I also are asking about the HLP indicators that was considered for CHAF 2.0. And those may be who may not be familiar to CHAF. So, CHAF is the global standard for the estimation and analysis of humanitarian needs and protection risk. I think that in most of countries, OCHA is conducting different CHAF training, and also the Global Protection class to also organize the CHAF 2.0 webinar in the last August. And my last point is about the IM-dedicated account support. So, last month I've been supporting the Mali HLP working group in putting in place a dashboard that will help them to monitor their 2023 HLP response. But the idea behind this is to adapt the same dashboard for other countries as well if they have the similar need. And thank you. That's all for me. Thanks, Tresor. Thank you for the update. So, yeah, some of you may have questions on what Tresor has presented, specifically around some of the tools that he's developing. I just wanted to say quickly that part of Tresor's role has been to support the operational country colleagues to start to develop further their way they are able to manage the information and share information and gather data around their operations. So, it has a very applied focus on operations. But part of the reason we want to draw together some of this information to make it available on the website is to allow us all to have a better understanding of where HLP features in some of the humanitarian operations. So, sometimes there are dedicated HLP projects and components in other responses we're trying to sort of see HLP integrated in the work that others are doing as well. So, it's to try and build up a picture and we're really keen to hear suggestions from you as well about what sort of information management products would be helpful and useful. And yeah, so this is sort of part of an ongoing work that Tresor's doing. But yeah, just want to open up for any questions around this specific area and see if anyone has any questions. Feel free to either raise your hand or come in or write something in the chat. And if you would like to ask your question in French, that would be fine as well and so do let us know. Yes, Anne-Sophie, please come in. Thank you very much. Good evening from Bangkok. I'm one of the teams of the Madagascar experts with the GG Echo just in case people don't know me. Thank you very much for this update and very welcome the attempts both in terms of measuring the funding. I think we all recognize that the FTS is definitely not working as it should be. So, very welcome that you're trying to do otherwise. Also, very welcome on the attempt to sort of try and group indicators and have sort of a bit of a standardization indicator. One question though that springs to mind with the ones you've grouped. They're very much at output level, right? So, I just wonder, are you also looking at outcome level and trying to look at HLP outcome indicators, which would be different than the number of people who have been reached with various kind of services and so on? Yeah, over. Yeah. Thank you very much for the question. So, most of these indicators, so we took them first from the humanitarian response plan and the idea and the first idea was first to have an idea because from one country to another, the indicator are not formulated the same way. And when, for example, we plan to collect the number of people who have been reached by HLP next year, it's important for us first to define what do we mean by the people reached by the HLP assistance. And I'm sure that I will have bilateral discussions from different countries to maybe to agree with them. Is there maybe any indicator that can be collected twice from the same person? How to avoid duplication counting? And as I've been supporting the HLP working group in Mali, I see a big opportunity of the way we could try to define the number of people being reached. But I agree with you that first is about getting the number of people reached, but I'm sure that we can also start at the discussion about how do we see it also. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Tresor. I mean, that's a great question, Ansfi. And yeah, it gets to the kind of heart of a lot of the discussions around information, data, what are we trying to find out? And it's, so yeah, as Tresor says, he's doing the work to try and align the kind of the sector and the response and these kind of things. But I think those bigger questions are something that myself and Ombreta, the co-coordinator with you and Habitat as well, have started discussing. Like how do we really understand what are the key outcomes that we would look for? And how do we look at trying to measure them? And then how do we make sure our programming fits that? And it might be something that we could have a call with you about at some point, because it would be great to get your perspective on that and others as well who would be keen. So yeah, and Ombreta, I see your hands raised. I imagine you have something to say on this. Yeah, thanks, Jim. And thanks Tresor for all this work coming, which is really a great, you know, point where we can look what's there and how to improve it. I would like also, I mean, it's not an easy work at all. And I mean, not besides the collection, but actually for the people in the field to actually track down the needs and even the deliverable at the output level. And then of course, to make the jump at the outcome level is another step. To complement these at UN Habitat, we are actually doing complementary work, which is collecting the land and housing indicators that are used maybe more by the humanitarian partners, but also by development partners to monitor land tenure security in crisis setting. So this would be the indicators that tend to be in terms of formulation more at the outcome level that development partners use. But there, we see another challenge on the other side that, okay, while their tracking is more formulated at the outcome level, there are really gaps in the methodology of data collection and in the capacity of development partners to actually cover adequately the population that is affected by crisis and then how to juggle these basically different needs. So this is just to say, I mean, supporting what Jim said, we are really trying to at the HLP are to try to recollect a little bit these different bits and pieces of processes. And we are very much aware that I think there is a lot of work to consolidate HLP indicators globally, both from the protection cluster level from the shelter cluster aspects and other actors working on HLP in different kind of coordination platforms. Thanks, Jim, over to you. Thanks, yeah. I mean, it feels quite an exciting opportunity really to actually understand what we're trying to do and also to make sure we draw from what the work of the shelter, CCCM and other colleagues are doing and try to do that with a view to solutions and thinking longer term as well, which I think is a challenge, but it's part of the reason why it's so great having you in a habitat like involved as well, because we have that dual perspective from the humanitarian through. So yeah, let's be great to keep that conversation going. And yeah, if others are interested in joining that as well, I mean, if we develop that, we'll think of a way to invite people, but do either put something in the chat or drop us an email around that and similarly discussions around, yeah, so indicators, but also as we're developing the website and we want to make sure that is useful and does what it needs to do for the housing, land and property community. So yeah, it would be great to have you involved. So do let us know if you would like to be. Otherwise, we will be pursuing you to request your assistance as well. But yeah, that would be great. So and just to say it, so Tresor mentioned his work supporting colleagues in Mali and you know, that's part of his role is to offer that support to colleagues. So if you are in need of some advice or maybe some work on tools and things, do let us know and Tresor will be able to support as well. And just to mention quickly as well, for our coordinators, those are involved in HLP coordination, we will have the next check in catch up on November the 14th. And so it'll be good to hear how things are and yeah, and I know it's HLP season. So please, if there's anything we can support with, do let us know. Okay, great. And thanks. And any more questions that come for Tresor, you can ask at the end as well or drop them in the chat and we'll make sure he gets them and can respond. I'm just going to share about another event that's coming up. So you probably received an email from me, well, and on Bretter about the Legal Protection Forum. And that's something coming up at the end of the month. And we're fortunate to have a session dedicated to HLP, which is on the 25th of October. And it's going to be looking at HLP rights as proactive protection, but thinking about custom climate and community. So looking particularly about how colleagues work in contexts where there are customary ways of organizing land rights and access to land and what does that mean for us working in those contexts? And some of the particular things that come up there, it's something that a lot of people are raising. So yeah, it'd be great to get together and discuss that. But there are other events as well that you might like to register for. I'm just going to drop the links in the chat. So you can find out more information and sign up as well. I don't know why that's doing that anyway. But yes, do have a look at that. I'll be great to see you there. Okay, now I'm going to turn to Laura Kunial. I think you're online who is going to give us a brief update on something that, yeah, for HLP colleagues could be quite interesting. So the Global Refugee Forum coming up at the end of the year is an opportunity to make pledges and bring together different actors around specific things. And UNHCR are leading on this. And as part of the working group, we have NRC and UN Habitat and potentially others to get involved as well to develop a pledge around housing land and property. So Laura is going to give us an update on that and give us some clues as to how to get more involved. Laura, over to you. Thank you, Jim. Can you confirm you're hearing me? Perfect. Good afternoon, colleagues. Greetings from Uganda, Kampala. So my connection is not wonderful today, but I hope we will hold for the rest of the call. So yes, a quick update on the Global Refugee Forum, which is scheduled in mid-December in Geneva. And this is part, of course, of the work being led by UNHCR. As you said, Jim, on the Global Compact for Refugees. The previous Global Refugee Forum, which was scheduled in 2019, didn't really see much coverage when it comes to housing land and property rights. And in fact, the pledges, they really directly or indirectly looked at HRP were quite limited in number and also in terms of commitment. So there is an opportunity this time to really raise awareness, but really ensure that HRP is more present in the Global Refugee Forum through an increase in number of pledges and commitment. So as you said, Jim, there is a working group right now being led by UNHCR and supported by UN Habitat and NRC. And the plan is to develop a multi-stakeholder pledge to secure housing land and property rights. The idea really is to put HRP in the agenda through this pledge, but also some side event that will be taking place during the forum itself and ensure increased visibility and commitment on HRP. We currently have a draft pledge, and the idea of the pledge really is to cover quite many areas of work, given the cross-cutting nature of HRP and also the fact that the hope is really for different type of entities to make pledges. And the current draft covers issue related to restitution and compensation of HRP for refugee upon return or transitional justice process, but also another area which comes out strongly is documentation of HRP to increase the new security, other strategy really to increase HRP rights, and also material support and technical support that can be provided on an HRP issue. The draft also has quite clear instruction on how to pledge and how to really join and is pledging through different actors. So pledge can be made by a country of origins, country that are hosting the refugee, as well as donor states and intergovernmental bodies, INGO, NGO, but also development corporation, development actors and refugee-led organization. The pledge, as I said, is on draft stage, but we are hoping that it will be available online in the upcoming week. And there is a meeting already scheduled for the 12th of October at 2 p.m. Geneva time. So for those of you who are on the call today and your interest, there will be a great opportunity to hear more about the pledge and also to learn how pledges can be made. So perhaps those of you who are interested can put their name on the chat and then we will be following up on the 12th. That's all from my side, Jim, back and over to you. Thank you. Thanks, Laura. Yeah, please do let us know if you'd like to be part of those discussions. Yeah, it's an opportunity also to push HLP beyond the regular people who were involved and try and get more of a sort of collaborative consensus around HLP beyond our humanitarian response community as well. So yeah, thanks, Laura, for the update. And yeah, that's great. So again, any questions around that do please let us know. Raise your hand or in the chat. And yeah, I'm going to hand now to Ombretta, who is, oh, sorry, hang on, I just saw a hand. Barbara, yes, please come in. Hi. Thank you, Laura, for the brief. I wanted to ask, what was the, I mean, on which basis were the different themes you mentioned? On which basis were they identified? Is it just something that you and each year? Because, you know, they talk a lot in the GRF about consultation with refugees and, you know, checking with the field. Is it the result of a process of that kind or? Yes, thank you, Barbara. It's the result of a process of that kind and UCR, we understand led quite extensive internal consultation and external consultation through the different regional bureau. And then I think some of the drafting is coming from UCR, from the division of solutions. So there is that solution lens in some of the language. However, I would say that some areas are very broad and very general. So it also offers opportunity for then the different agency or donors or government who are interested to make a pledge to go into more details and use the language as an anchor, as an entry point. It covers country of origin as well as country of displacement. So again, the language is quite broad. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Barbara. Yes, I look forward to discussing that more in the coming weeks and, yeah, having your involvement. Great. Ombretta, over to you. Thanks, Tim. And then, I mean, just to add to this pledge, I mean, this is a global multi-stakeholder mega pledge, but it's also meant to open the door for different stakeholders to come and maybe state and define in a bit more local manner their own particular interests and needs, you know. So it's a sort of, it opens the door for partners to actually demonstrate their needs, their interests, and then, you know, a further definition of actually the activities to be carried out, obviously within those bigger broader scope can take place then for the specific local levels. Yeah, so great to see that there is some interest in joining that and we look forward to have more partners into that process. From my side, I just wanted to give you updates. As you know, when you're an habitat joined the AOR, the idea was that we bring in a little bit the development actors perspective. So one of the objectives that we set for ourselves and also reflected in the AOR work plan is to bring in the HLP perspective and framing into processes that are more, that are led generally by development actors. So in this sense, I want to flag that there are two international conference coming up that might be of interest of the people in this group and we are attempting to actually create in these two conferences a space where HLP actor, more humanitarian actors can have a role in presenting their views and needs in relation to the theme of the conference. So the first one, they're both in May actually next year. One is the International Federation of Surveyors Conference, which will take place in Accra from the 19th to 24th May. And these are basically the surveyors, those people will actually be supporting from the local level the protection of HLP rights and also setting in place systems that will stay in the country to protect the housing and land rights of the people. So we are trying to secure a couple of sessions, one on women land rights and one on the role of surveyors in crisis and will definitely share more information with you. By the way, I'll also put the link in the chat, but the call for papers is open. So if any of you is interested to actually present your work there, please do apply there. It's really big in terms of scope, it's a big conference and it's a good platform definitely for HLP actors to get to know a little bit more the land professionals on that side. The other one is the World Bank Land and Poverty Conference. I'm sure more many of you are familiar with as soon as we get also more information on how we can better integrate the crisis perspective. We'll discuss with Jim as well and colleagues how to do so and we'll try to secure a session there at least. Plus of course there will be technical sessions that are for crisis, so again there will be a possibility of submitting papers. Also briefly, we are developing with partners at UN Habitat land sector profiles for countries which actually describe the country land sector beyond HLP, but including HLP and we just published online the one for Yemen. I'll put the link as well in the chat and we are finalizing Libya. So it will be, I think, interested for those of you working in that area to have a look and see, you know, a different dimension of the HLP spectrum that maybe would complement or add a lens to the work you are doing. And with that I think, Jim, thanks and over to you. Thank you, Ombretta. And yes, there's a question just confirming the date of the FIG conference. I believe it's May next year, but just want to double check that. But yeah, thanks for that. Great. And if people have resources, events they want to share, please do post them in the chat or come in and share about those at the end when we come to that section. It would be great to know what's going on. So yeah, that would be, we would like to hear about those. And yeah, always check, you know, for example, on the HLP AOR webpages, you know, there's still the relatively recent training there. There's been some new publications produced as well around the HLP and climate that links to previous events that we've done as well. So yeah, we look forward to hearing about those. I see a hand raised. Yeah, Clementine, would you like to come in? I don't know if you had a question or a comment, but please go ahead. No, James, it's just to have shared the update of Niger in the chat. I can spoke about it. We found that there is many IDPs installed on spontaneous seats, sometimes with only a verbal authorization or without any authorization of all. So analysis and study was carried out for the situation of this out of 148 seats in the region of Tilaberi, Maradi and Tawa. And we found that 74% was installed with verbal authorization, 19% without authorization with risk of false eviction. And this could be worsen with the military operation follow up in the current situation in Niger now. Then the report is on progress, but the result was it present in the humanitarian country team and in ICCG for advocacy to authority to see how it can be done. And we also draw the House, Land and Property Referencing Monitoring document in the different houses zones. So now we have a reference document with on Tilaberi, Maradi, Tawa, all the zone impacted by the conflict and this has been shared to humanitarian community to be used. Thank you. Thank you Clementine. So yeah, what I'm hearing there is yeah, a real vulnerability and a risk of eviction for a lot of people, a lot of people there on the over 140 sites. Thank you and thanks for that update and thanks for pasting it in the chat as well for others who would like to have a look. And yeah, let's follow up on that as well and see how best we can support and see if there's anything that we can discuss further. Thank you Clementine and others who would like to share updates. Yeah, please we will come to that in a few moments as well. So yeah, thank you Clementine. I'm just going to share very briefly about a recent visit I made to Ukraine last week. I only got back a few days ago. So this is only very fresh but wanted to just share some initial reflections. I was there as part of the global protection cluster mission there. So I was representing the AOR on behalf of Holm-Bretter as well and we travelled with the coordinator of the Global Protection Cluster and also the coordinators of the Mine Action, Child Protection and GBV Areas of Responsibility. So this is the second time we've done a kind of a joint visit. We went to Somalia in March this year and it's to try and bring the whole protection cluster community together and see where there are opportunities to work more closely and collaborate but also to try and understand from the global level where we can better support or advocate for things, try and understand more of what's happening and some of the dynamics between various colleagues working on these issues. And in Ukraine it's a particularly interesting context because you've got a very strong state and national organisations and strong civil society as well. So it raises lots of really good and vital questions about how the humanitarian sector works and how we engage properly with those partners. I just wanted to share a couple of pictures just to give a bit of a flavour because it just some of the things we did. So we had quite a few meetings to try and understand the different dynamics. So we met with the cluster lead agencies as well as our colleagues in the different areas of responsibilities and also with other groups like this with the National Association for People with Disabilities to understand more how they were being affected and whether or not they were able to access and influence the response and things that were happening. We met with donors, with the humanitarian country team, with OHCHR and the NGO platform again to try and understand some of the different things at play in a context where there's quite a lot of focus and interest and a lot of funding as well and just what does that mean? It shows what's possible but it also raises some different questions as well. Then I had the pleasure and privilege to join with Stuart and we went out to visit some of the work being done by NRC as part of their shelter response. So this was the shelter team and working with the ICLA team on sort of due diligence to help start repairing some of the housing that have been damaged by shells or missiles and that kind of thing. And with Stuart we're able to also meet with Shelter Cluster, CCCM, we met UN Habitat colleagues there, also DRC. Thank you Barbara for those introductions and I was able to join the HLP technical working group meeting there which is a very vibrant dynamic community. There's over 60 on the call from UN agencies, clusters, NGOs, INGOs, World Bank embassies, private sector, all sorts there and a really strong Ukrainian presence as well so it had that very very well connected to what's going on and to the different groups and dynamics. And we also saw some people are responding to their shelter needs with their own repairs. Another example we saw there on the left that it's a bad photo so I apologize but you can see the top of a sort of a modular house that had been used as part of the way to provide some kind of temporary accommodation for people as well. So there were various ways in which people were responding and the wider context of what's going on there is that as we know from these meetings and presentations over the last two years really there's a push to develop compensation laws, to think about how to rebuild infrastructure, how to take that longer term role as well as the immediate shelter needs and particularly with winter coming that can be very cold indeed, a real urgency to respond. So I think some of the brief reflections from spending five days there so I'm not claiming any specialist insight at all but one thing that did come up was the dynamic between the humanitarian actors wanting to advocate for principled humanitarian space, trying to maintain that focus on protection and the most vulnerable and those risks and that happening at the same time as a very sort of well resourced response that's looking at kind of more transition and development and longer term rebuilding and infrastructure and just you know within the the humanitarian community trying to understand what role they might have in that but also how to make sure we maintain that focus on those that are most at risk and most vulnerable in amongst such a widespread rebuilding effort. So yeah there were clear needs between you know clear links between sort of housing and sort of questions around social cohesion what's going to happen with the non-government controlled areas if that changes how are people going to move and how will people be prioritized for compensation. So there's some unknown issues and yeah all in the context are very strong you know state presence and very fast moving sort of legal landscape as well so it was yeah very interesting and probably will have some more reflections in due course but just wanted to share that brief update and also to invite Stuart to yeah offer any comments from from his side just on not particularly on the visit but just in terms of how you see HRP in Ukraine at that at the moment. Yeah thanks Jim and it was a pleasure hosting Jim and the colleagues from the global protection cluster. Jim's an easy person to host so if he is coming to a location near you definitely thumbs up for you know for your engagement but but also you know just a lot of the other times you know I I tend to get sort of focused on what I'm focused on and you know when those are sort of the issues of the day and the problems of the day and so it was actually very helpful when you came and we have you know several meetings with this larger group but then you and I had a lot of bilateral meetings with with our kind of important partners in the HLP technical working group but also you know the protection cluster coordination team the shelter cluster coordination team to you know kind of you know look look at these sort of like trends that are happening in terms of sort of the humanitarian space and because you know I I'm working on these things but sort of positioning the housing and property technical working group for you know for contribution to the durable solutions discussions and how to do that and you know and sort of what you know what additional things could be a part of the you know the activities that the HLP technical working group is doing uh was an important you know conversation to have because you know these are not you know these are these are not conversations that happen so frequently you know in this you know the space I'm in we're usually kind of talking about operational operational things and so that was that was quite helpful it was it was also just a great you know opportunity to see you know some of the some of the due diligence activities and really get a better understanding you know and of what yeah what it looks what the you know it looks like on the ground in terms of HLP you know concerns I mean we you know I'm often here in Kiev you know and get out a little bit but but that was you know not too far outside of Kiev we got to see quite a bit that day um that's yeah that's about all I have on this and but but again thanks for thanks for your support during the week over you're welcome yeah thanks and yeah thanks for all your efforts and yeah we'll be writing a sort of a short report on that again like I say I'm always nervous of someone coming to somewhere for five days and then thinking they've got this sort of deep insight that people who've lived in a place might not have but um we'll definitely be offering just some thoughts on on perspectives and maybe some questions really but yeah we'll certainly share share any report that we we develop um great thanks so yes I want to turn now to Melina I believe you're with us um who's going to give us an update on some of the work that's going on with the support of the shelter cluster and uh um yeah an update from from your side Melina over to you hi um yes thank you uh just a few quick updates for things to look out for in the next coming weeks and months um we have the HLP shelter toolkit um I'm sure some of you heard about the CCCM HLP toolkit that we had rolled out over the past year and now this one is more shelter focused so we're finalizing it and we're hoping to have an initial introduction and consultation by the end of November and so stay tuned for an invitation to that um just like the CCCM toolkit it's a kind of pulling together all of the HLP resources that are out there but as they relate to shelter and under different thematic areas related to shelter like climate change urban response women's HLP um amongst others and this one does include more regionally specific um information because that was some feedback we got from the CCCM HLP toolkit we also have an update of the HLP um due diligence standard so the last time it was updated was 2013 and we will be um we're also making some final edits on that and hope to have an initial introduction by the end of November as well so hoping to send an invitation to to introduce that um and then where the fifth HLP e-course module is underway um so this will complement the other four and this one is focused on HLP climate change but more focused on protection um and this one will be completed by the end of the year and then we hope to do a full kind of launch of all of the e-course modules all five at the beginning of next year um so that's all I have for my side. Thanks Malina so um sounds like lots going on and also opportunities for um colleagues involved in HLP to be part of consultations and to you know try and make sure that the the yeah the the great work you're doing is really relevant and uh yeah focused on on what what people sort of need and and brings in the the latest resources and stuff as well so yeah I appreciate that and look forward to engaging on that and um I'm sure there will be people here will be uh very pleased to to be part of that that conversation so thank you for those updates um thank you great thank you okay so now we have some space um we had uh we were going to have a presentation from a colleague who in the end it didn't happen so we have a bit more space now to hear from you all um so um and this sometimes is my favorite part um so it'd be great to hear if people have updates in terms of what they're working on um it could be resources it could be operational updates it could be like Clementine shared earlier where um you know some of the challenges and the analysis that's happening around the the work that's going on um so yeah I want to offer this this this time to hear from you all and um yeah if you'd like to give an update on what you're working on it doesn't have to be a you know finished shiny project it can literally be I've started looking at this particular issue or we're facing this challenge or we could do with some support on this or this is what we've been doing so anything goes um but yeah I'd like to turn that over to to you colleagues and see if you have anything you'd like to share with um yeah with us uh yeah Fernanda please do come in hi Jim colleagues good afternoon uh I do not have a presentation uh either but I've just been to Honduras and El Salvador for two weeks uh visiting the nrc programs and and and discussing also with other partners looking specifically into the housing and property issues and also a little bit of what our e-club program in nrc is doing like you after two weeks in a country or in two countries in this case I cannot claim to be an expert at all um but maybe I can share some some reflections of what I saw uh in that part of the world uh with colleagues and of course if someone in the call is either from uh that part of the world or or is living there and working there please uh you are all welcome to to contribute and to correct anything that I may say if it is wrong um the two countries uh the the contexts are very similar in El Salvador and Honduras in many ways but at the same time because of recent events in El Salvador with the new policies of the government and the state of exception things have changed quite a lot so I'm going to then talk first about Honduras briefly and then uh turn over to to El Salvador I don't know how much people know about uh about Central America it seems to be quite a forgotten both migration and protection crisis and the epicenter of it is probably happening in Honduras while I was there colleagues were on mission at one of the border crossings I think with Nicaragua and they were reporting something between 2000 to 3000 people crossing the border per day during the week up to 20 something people then crossing the border with of course a number of protection issues coming up for those migrants from but from an HLP perspective when I ask the question so where is people staying a lot of these people is staying in the streets apparently I was not able to go and visit the area myself but that is what one of the NRC um multidisciplinary teams going there uh was was uh telling us so so the migration prices and the HLP consequences immediate HLP consequences for people is is quite uh is quite dire now there is at the same time in Honduras a rather uh complicated and deep protection crisis it is not the type of crisis that we have seen in other as human Italians that we are familiar with in other places because it is caused primarily by gang and drug trafficking related violence uh that happens you know at an international level because this is a route for for cocaine and other drugs going up to uh the United States and Europe but also internally in the country where some of the gangs are also now apparently even producing some of the drugs in country and wanting to control more territory with the obvious consequences that this has for for for HLP and one of the of the situations that occurs very often is threats extortion that end up with people at risk having to move some of them able to reach some programs for international protection but many of them basically moving from one territory controlled by one gang to maybe a more peaceful place but often to another part of the country controlled by another gang so from the prime pan to the fire as one may may say in terms of HLP maybe the good news is that in Honduras there is recently the the law on internal displacement has been approved by the government and that includes a provision on abandoned property the downside of that is that in order to implement the law it is required to pass a number of bylaws that will be addressing different aspects of the law including registration of internal displaced persons but also how is the state going to proceed in order to register abandoned property by those that are registered as IDPs there are different initiatives in the meantime some led by UNHCR NRC is also trying to do different work but so far in that in terms of this abandoned property and there is no policy or there is no coordinated effort to see how are we going to to protect those assets but that is very much I mean there are many other things but this is in particular one thing that that the community there the Himmitan community should be looking at and just to remind everyone that in Honduras case you don't know there is a 70 percent of informal tenure meaning only 30 percent of the territory in the country is registered under some of the formal possibilities that the law offers to register property so this of course adds a lot of complication because people move ends up in some sort of tenure situation that is often very uncertain there is of course also a backlog of people that has been moving over the decades I would say because of different agrarian reforms that are also in an informality or semi-informality situation because they have not been able to fulfill the entire process to achieve somewhat in Honduras is called dominio plan which is like a full property title rather complicated scenario also the displacement and maybe I'll finish with that about Honduras is quite invisible internal displacement the migration is more visible right but the internal displacement is rather invisible there is also situations of confinement where gangs do not allow people to get out of the neighborhoods of course this is maybe not so relevant for housing and property or maybe it is but certainly from a protection general protection perspective that people is confined in large numbers and around the control of these groups is very worrying and the humanitarian access is also complicated because of security and unlike in other places where negotiations can happen with you know there is a clear line of command and you know who are you talking to when it comes to these type of groups in Honduras it is very difficult so that means that we cannot get into communities asking the question is about are you displaced are you threatened is also very difficult and new techniques for profiling or mapping the internal displacement situation I think should we should as a community try to be brainstorming and come with with ideas that can that can support them to to get over that challenge so that for Honduras I mean I've also had to write a report and he thoughts around many of these is it was complicated quite quite quite a shocking context El Salvador has mentioned still many similarities with Honduras but one big difference is that the state of exception that has been imposed by President Bukele has resulted in a visible decrease of violence although people in country also say well this is temporary yet a lot of people have been put in prison the guns are still operating and it's acquired for the moment but it's a ticking bomb I have no information to say what is true or not the reality is that somehow the level of violence have decreased a lot of the members of these guns have moved over to Honduras and this has created of course more space for humanitarian action and and maybe possibilities to explore also what has happened with that abandoned property that people who were displaced while the guns were more active and how can we find ways of protecting that while people is finding their own way back to to their property right so that there is there is an avenue there to explore the one thing that I think is interesting to mention about El Salvador those of you that may know a little bit about the region is that there was a civil war in the second half of the 20th century that lasted many years and ended sometime in the mid 90s however there is still a lot of people that was displaced by that conflict who are still I wouldn't say they are displaced in the in a humanitarian sense but still the HLP aspects of their displacement these habitable solutions have not been completely reached and we did meet quite a lot of people that through different schemes of the various governments after the conflict had been displaced and have ended up living in places that were allocated to them through different reforms and different processes but never again fulfilled the complete or never managed to complete the entire formalization process of the title so they are also a little bit in limbo and then we see situations where you know also people that have been living together and non-married couples were the owner of that not title but that initial process towards getting a property title is deceased and then the wife and children because they were not married for example are left in a limbo and they don't know they will be able to access that formalization process which is an interesting gender perspective also into HLP but I think from a durable solutions perspective that offers an opportunity since we are talking a lot about durable solutions and what is the housing and property component on that in a place where there is still sort of I wouldn't say residual I think it's a lot of people ended up moving because of that conflict in the last century but still have not reached a full solution and there is still in a dubious tenure situation maybe something to explore further from our side to see how could we support them to finally after so many years reach reaching a solution let alone the consequences of the organized violence that I've mentioned and that are also a little bit hidden because of the current state of emergency situation and I'll finish by saying that none of the HLP AORs are currently or in none of the countries is the HLP AOR or HLP working groups within the humanitarian coordination activated would be different reasons and there are different reasons for that I didn't meet with with protection cluster colleagues UNHCR and others that explain but maybe that's something that we can a conversation that we could possibly get started as an HLP AOR gym a call for you and on breta to see if there is something that we can do to promote that coordination is important in such a complicated context so that we can at least start trying to think through joint strategies for the different actors together with the governments to see if some of these problems can be addressed and I'll stop there if there are questions or specialists that knows their region better than me wants to also contribute because as as as you gym I mean my first time in the area so I cannot claim to be an expert at all in such a complicated process but I leave you with that thank you thanks Fernando thank you for that really rich description of what you were seeing and hearing and yes definitely a conversation to continue about how we can almost advocate for potentially more coordination on HLP and see what's needed and yeah and how you might support that yeah if anyone has questions for Fernando or wants to correct him on anything then please do yeah just either raise your hand or jump in and otherwise if anyone else would like to share an update on what they're working on questions they're facing even just you know points of interest and you'd be very very welcome I noticed in the chat I think Joseph you were asking about working with legal actors and the legal profession and some people have responded I also shared just a report that was written by NRC last year I believe on HLP in Honduras as well in case you're interested in that great and yeah Margaret please do come in from South Sudan thank you very much Jim for the opportunity from South Sudan we just would like to give a bit of updates of what HLP is doing first is for all of you to know that the Sudan crisis has really brought a lot of you know it has been with a lot of impact in our normal working here in South Sudan because majority of we've seen an influx of refugees and returnees South Sudanese returnees coming back from Sudan due to the crisis and also a lot of Sudanese refugees moving into the country through the different border points and we have worked as a team most of the humanitarian actors have come in to welcome or to receive the different refugees returnees in the country and try to take them to the different areas of origin and also to urban settings so this has actually been an opening an eye-opener to not only the protection cluster but to the humanitarian sector at large that HLP is one of the vital aspects that should be taken seriously and with that we have been able to get more attention more people have been able to ask us to come in and discuss about HLP rights and how best we can handle HLP issues in the country so this is one of the most important things that we as HLP AOR in South Sudan are doing is in terms of advocacy we're advocating for more recognition of HLP rights all through the country secondly is ensuring that all the people if it is refugees IDPs and returnees have that opportunity to get information about their HLP rights what they can be able to attain and yeah then the second thing as HLP AOR in South Sudan is that we have been able to have two round table meetings one is in the capital Juba and another one is in Wao and in a state in northern Barakazal and just having these two round table meetings have brought promotion of dialogue amongst the different stakeholders in the ensuring that HLP rights are adhered to and there's collaboration among different stakeholders these discussions have focused on various HLP aspects such as land tenure systems the land governance protection of property rights so this round table dialogues have facilitated the sharing of experiences where we find government officials openly you know pointing fingers at each other trying to find the best ways to solve the different HLP issues in South Sudan so this has actually really encouraged and provided a platform for stakeholders to voice their concerns and contribute to the development of policies and initiatives related to HLP then thirdly is also on the national land policy this is something that we as HLP AOR actors have been trying to push and for South Sudan FAO has been taking the lead it updated us that the government has approved this national land policy it has been taken to the cabinet it is supposed so now what we are waiting for is an approval so that once that is approved from the the cabinet it will be able to be rolled out and it will support in terms of the land legal frameworks that are in South Sudan because what we are using at the moment is the land art which is of 2009 and we are trying to ensure that if this national land policy comes into place it will help us tackle so many of the HLP issues that we have in the country so that is it and maybe the last but not least is also the activation of different technical working groups as HLP AOR South Sudan we are trying to ensure that the different states we have 10 states and we're trying to go state by state that every state has an active technical working group where in its context it can be able to handle the different HLP issues that are there and all we can do is to come in and support in terms of in case they need some coordination type of support in terms of policy support so what we have done so far is actively engaged one and we are hoping by the end of the year we'll have three active technical working groups to help in ensuring that HLP rights HLP issues are addressed so that is basically it from us HLP AOR South Sudan um yeah thank you I if there's any question or any comments please they're most welcome thank you Margaret thank you for that update yeah any questions or comments please do uh yeah ask away from Margaret for Fernando for others that have shared um and also if anyone else would like to um yeah give a brief update please do um raise your hand or come in or make yourself known in some way and yes please and Sophie please come in sorry not not an update as such but a question from a Asia-Pacific perspective um I mean I feel a little bit like Fernando was arguing on the on the on the lack side as we would say on the Latin America side that maybe Asia is a little bit it's far away the Asia-Pacific um and I'm sometimes wondering I mean we have the HLP AOR and in in Afghanistan and we're supporting that and but we don't really see anywhere else so it's it's a little bit of call for coordination you know I'm thinking Myanmar I'm thinking Philippines Mindanao particularly of course we know your resources are limited obviously um but we do see a need also for a focus on on on HLP issues and on top of the the let's say more permanent conflicts in in the region and all of the natural disasters right everything every natural disaster brings with it HLP issues but they're very often deep prioritized I mean I remember raising it with the Pakistan floods last year massive HLP issues basically I was told oh this is so structural don't even go there um so so yeah just just wondering about your and again I we know your resources are limited but just your reflections in in that regard over thanks yeah great question um Ombretta did you want to respond first and then I'll follow or was this was your hand raised on this yes actually I had a question to Fernando and then but this links up really to Ansofi's contribution and something that Jim and I discussed as well in terms of HLP AOR coordination so I mean to put in order one is I mean for Fernando um yeah you say there's no HLP coordination but being you know some of this displacement rooted from events that happened many years ago surely there is some types of land sector coordination that perhaps we can link better as HLP actors building on what they've been doing and then these links to also this question for Asia Pacific you know I'm not I'm not sure on all the countries but I know for example for Nepal Nepal there are some types of land sector coordination that were definitely not defined as HLP coordination that might be existing as well I mean for sure in the Philippines there is something as well that we could map a bit better and lastly exactly to come to what the HLP AOR is thinking of doing I mean we have and Trezor has really spearheaded this forward to try to consolidate a bit in an organized way obviously you know Jim and and team has done a lot of work in the past years to to expand HLP coordination and to you know to map where is it active but we've been thinking of mapping complementary coordination processes that perhaps are not HLP per se or not necessarily linked to the to the cluster system where the HLP AOR structure is nested but could still be useful entry point at least to start you know connecting a bit the dots and then see where is the need is there a need for an HLP AOR or is there maybe need to input some content and maybe knowledge management products or you know information into processes that exist that maybe have an angle that is different but maybe are weak for example on due diligence or you know on some things that have been the strengths of the HLP AOR so that's definitely I think something that we see again today confirmation Jim that it's kind of needed and definitely something that is in line with the way we would like to see the AOR contributing overall to lantern your security in context of crisis thank you over thanks Albreta thanks Fernanda did you want to respond briefly to that and then I'll just follow up a little bit on the question as well I can briefly say that I think that there is a very rich institutionality to call it that way as it happens in many of the Latin American countries working on land issues and with a fairly okay degree of capacity there has also been different support by development donors to different agrarian and land reforms happening right but I did not come across a coordination in within those bodies per se and so I think that that is is lacking I agree with you Albreta the fact that I mean one of the reasons why coordination from a humanitarian perspective is not happening is it's because there has been a lot of coordination already and there is an overabundance of different groups and I think there is a certain fatigue about that so I think that as happens at global level and many other levels there is a thinking in these in these countries that okay before we start new coordination bodies let's see what is really necessary and in the meantime there can be probably other types of other ways of coordinating those actors that are interested in working on land issues completely eventually if it's not an HLPAOR but some other mechanism I still think that they probably would benefit from some degree of support from us at global level to set those emotions emotion and a thing that I want to stress is that there is a humanitarian situation in nca in central america so although humanitarian and development crosses over and we all have heard many times about the nexus the situation in these countries and in particular in Honduras is dire it's not you know there may be aspects and places and territories where development is the name of the game but for many it's purely humanitarian because the nature of the violence is and the displacement is not at all leaning towards a development intervention the problem and you know some of my interlocutors there did put this on the table is that in order to address the humanitarian consequences in terms of HLP you need to look at the entire picture in the country and that brings in development and you know another long-term approach to land management that makes things even more complicated but I really want to stress in this forum that the situation there and especially in Honduras also in El Salvador but in Honduras especially is humanitarian at its core I don't know if I'm answering you in britain it would be a bit sceptic but I'm happy to to continue the conversation thanks Fernando and yeah Ansefi just before I come back to you just to say briefly on on Asia Pacific yeah Myanmar Philippines and you know we've we've had conversations over the years with Myanmar about what's possible around HLP coordination and how best to try and support and yeah I mean it's a good prompt for me to follow up on that again because there was a time where and there was something maybe happening but there was also a strong sort of national focus on on that as well and and we decided to not try and create something extra but obviously things have changed there in the last year or so and I think there could be more yeah something more proactive on that so yeah I mean I've had quite open conversations with colleagues there about about what would it look like to to do HLP coordination I think partly because it is such a controversial subject as well which sometimes people don't want to be too visible on it so that's something we've seen in other contexts as well on Philippines yeah I've worked with certainly the protection colleagues there and we've done some training with them and also with the protection cluster to kind of look at HLP issues but again it hasn't become a sort of its own coordination body partly because I think it's about identifying who would be the actors who would lead on that I mean it still tends to be where there is an NRC or you know Habitat or someone similar that is able to take the lead on that role so that's sometimes a constraint that would be great to hear your thoughts because there might be other actors that we don't know right so that's often the case yeah and Pakistan as well there was had a number of calls on HLP issues and I know another a number of colleagues did as well but again that the question whether or not it needed the coordination I think we're always a bit wary of not wanting to create coordination just because at the same time it's trying to understand what's needed and I think on this sort of wider nexus question is that also you know nexus does include humanitarians so we need to always make sure we can you know try and be present for those conversations where there's a particular humanitarian angle that still needs emphasising um but yeah that's a couple of thoughts but please over to you again no no I I fully understand and and actually I guess my argument is more that again limited resources you know there are cases where this should be taken up by the B protection cluster protection working group whatever we call it in in in the system right the importance is that these are issues that are not forgotten and and and I think I think that that is really my whole point and that goes as well for the natural disasters and well yeah these then people say oh but it's development yeah but it's not only development right and and if you look at Myanmar the I think the magnitude of people who have left Myanmar is much larger than we think well I know it is because I'm hearing the numbers in the countries around Thailand in Thailand and around Thailand which means again we're talking about enormous amount of of abandoned properties that we're not aware about so where is this going so it's just to to sort of say okay this is uh yeah this is bigger than we think it is I mean I was I was in Indonesia in Malaysia the last couple of weeks there are unconferent reports but reports of 82 000 Burmese not Rohingya but Burmese having arrived in in Malaysia over the past since the coup in 21 these are presumably people who have left behind properties because they're and not invaluable properties because they are doctors nurses teachers all of the the civil defense movement right so there will be we know there will be issues in the future so so it's more to to I guess I'm advocating here for my region as well yeah um where I feel that sometimes the HLP issues are not really at the forefront like I've seen it elsewhere Ukraine yes it's always been at the forefront the HLP issues but here it's not not at all over thanks yeah that's really interesting and I think yeah highlights the importance of keeping an eye like keeping our eyes on what is happening even if there's not an obvious response you know that we can be part of and I know when talking with colleagues in Myanmar the work has been about well how can we start creating ways of trying to document what's happening I mean and that's the extent you know can you start trying to prepare for a time where maybe we can address some of these issues but yeah thank you that's a really yeah point well well noted um we have just a few minutes but look Miller I see you there please do uh come in thank you I think that the issue of climate change and displacement is someone that I could talk about for hours but I'm going to spare you all not only because of time constraints but because I think that climate change is already climate change includes enough of us because it's already displacing and also a lot of people climate change is a direct driver of displacement per se and is a threat multiplier and yet a lot of organizations are failing to incorporate climate change in its planning in its working so we if we work with HLP specifically without considering climate change and everything that this cause we are going to dry eyes we are going to keep dry eyes and just working on the consequences I think it's really really very very important because climate change alone is not only displacing people and multiplying the stress it's multiplying the amount of people that need and will need humanitarian aid so it's really really important that those who are not considering it more over for the lack of resources that NYU is pointing out we need to coordinate and to integrate all the issues and aspects that can affect this work so thank you so much over to you yeah thanks LaMilla yeah yeah I mean it's uh I think it's something we're all sort of trying to catch up on a little bit isn't it um the impacts of climate change as I shared just briefly there the the report and the event that we held around HLP and climate change you know a couple of months ago um because I think we're all trying to understand what are the implications and you know that more people now are displaced from climate change related uh things than than conflict and and and what does that mean and what does that mean for our work I think is a real issue and interesting to hear that um as Malina mentioned there's some training being developed around HLP and climate change as well by um but yeah by others so um yeah I think it's a a thing we need to keep looking at and um trying to learn from and make better connections with those who are working on these kind of issues as well again another call for a different kind of nexus in a way um do we want two nexus next I I'm not sure but um maybe there's a there's another one there um gosh yes triple nexus could mean three lots of nexuses anyway that sounds like a good place to stop um thank you everyone for your uh inputs and your participation um did anyone have any yeah final words or comments on bretta thanks Jim um not really I just wanted to say uh you know IOM and that could be something maybe we discuss where we bring in somebody from IOM side or IOM colleagues who are aware of it are you know putting in place a tracking matrix for climate induced displacement um because actually um you know different organizations count different things when it comes to displacement we know that I mean counting is important um we also know that counting is not all I mean at the end um you know there will be always complexity in how we count people uh but it does um you know we start to have from different side the world bank IOM um you know different monitoring mechanisms um you know numbers that kind of really point exactly to the urgency and the magnitude you know we always thought you know conflict is the driver first driver of uh HLP violations while it's getting quite clear that that this is not the case and um you know myself I was for example looking at and putting together my data just on the number of people that are going to be displaced by sea level rise and this is going to be depending I mean actually um there is a UN body that has been calculating exactly how much is it depending on the tree scenario on 1.5 degree 2 degree and 4 degree increase by the end of the century and it goes to like 400 million people being displaced just by sea level rise um so so that's very well noted and I think you know Jim put in the in the chat a briefing that was done on this but definitely we are looking at as well in the OR as at you know strengthening this stream of work and thinking and evidence uh in the work of the OR so thank you very much everybody for your contributions it was a pleasure to see you all all of you thanks a lot Jim for sharing and uh have a good evening and afternoon and see you at the end of October for the uh Protection Forum event yes look forward to it but thanks everyone oh and if you can put your cameras on to wave that's always nice thank you so much goodbye bye bye bye bye bye bye thanks everyone cheers