It wasn't all live all that gold is going to be unlisted gang only this this opening few like 20 seconds yes only the re-upload gang will hear this all of that pure gold all those nuggets people are going to miss all of those shiny nuggets those truth bombs you were dropping or yeah about the the blacks and the Jews but not in the way that people would you know the internet isn't ready for eggs okay no you have to make them ready to live our principal we have to we have to get slowly we got to work our way just missed a teachable moment very sad what's the opposite of a teachable moment dying oh no I think for other people for other people maybe but for you no like you get to live that's like what doesn't kill you make you stronger except I don't know how much I believe that what does kill you kills you like what if you step on a landmine um yeah you're not gonna step on one again that's correct well you'll think twice next time so you're stronger in your mind totally makes sense what if you get robot legs well it depends on yeah how much the how far the damage goes up that's really the problem there well that legs are good as long as you have something else working what doesn't kill you makes you stronger what doesn't give you robot body parts makes you weaker well I mean we just cracked that we've actually created a new saying now that I think everyone should adopt nice job right um oh thanks yeah you know well we'll just chat about some stuff well some people here in there maybe drop in you know as they do because we just went public got recent events recent events what has happened that we could possibly talk about nothing much night I assume you invited me I'm here to talk about the impeachment trial for four hours right oh definitely that was like the specific thing there was this like comics are lame and for kids so who cares and superheroes are even more for kids that's right that more let's tell Adam and sister go on eFap all right well they're so desperate they're impeaching someone who isn't the president why not yeah I'm thinking what if they impeach us one day for shitting on I hope I get impeached eFap gets impeached nothing will change but well I'll just get impeached I guess what does it mean to be impeached from eFap does it prevent you from responding to videos online no it sounds like it sounds like a that sounds like a Floridian festival you getting impeached Luridians I'm not following that one you lost yeah like Florida the peach place that's Georgia Georgia same fucking thing name three names name three differences between Georgia and Florida alligators Florida man Georgia doesn't have alligators they have peaches to have have out the peaches are eaten by alligators in Florida the Floridian the Floridian alligators are carnivorous but the Georgian alligators are omnivorous they eat peaches and man the discord is like fucking up on me and it randomly doesn't keep the cover on so that's fun so let's just enjoy that for the day everyone that it's just a randomly flicker for some reason I don't always do that but whatever we're probably probably awkwardly segue into it now because it was just flashed on screen what have you been getting you guys been doing such an ad and what's the thing that's the big big news what's what's going on introduce the thing that's what I'm trying to say you just go ahead Adam sell our comic book about the peaches yeah is that in here disappeared oh no well and I guess it's up to you such hey now we're working on a comic book called super villains anonymous my god amazing story about a world taken over by super villains and but they make everything boring oh it's a fantasy world definitely exactly it's very relevant to the world today and me and Adam are like no we need to bring back chaos and disorder into the super villain so you guys know that's how they operated was chaos and disorder no because basically the super villains take over the world and then they realize that once you take over the world you have to rule it so they make everything sort of boring and lame like you have to get permits to rob banks and to commit acts of villainy it's all very good you cry yeah yeah my goodness wait so you guys are you fighting bad guys like the yes but we're so so part of the plot is that we're in order to rank up in the society we decide that we have to fight heroes but no heroes actually exist anymore so we're gonna pretend to be heroes to inspire other heroes so that we can then fight those heroes to rank ourselves up as super villains hey sounds subversive I'm playing the little trailer on mute and I think it might give the wrong impression about the quality yeah we show no we show panels that door guys's panels actually sounds a bit like wanted wanted is awful so first of all how dare you not the movie the comic comic is so like edgelord oh my god yours isn't like ours it's super not edgelord it's very serious is it like like venture bros ours is yes it's a comedy like yeah venture is good that would be great is it like cheers it's like venture bros meets one punch man how about that oh that's very good it's something really good and then you had to make it an anime yeah kids like the animes rags I don't know if you know yeah I do you gotta you gotta know who you're marketing to exactly what a kid's like like the animoo they do they do and so you're gonna have you're gonna have anime stuff in there gonna be our audience likes anime I'm pretty sure sell them on it go right ahead the little chibi faces the reaction cutaways Japanese sound effects oh get fighting a robot hitler cuz I you know that we're on the right side of history here first real Hitler first issue we're like robot Hitler take them out you doing an origin story for a while I need to know his motivations you're starting off with robot Hitler you're not gonna build up to that actually we do we do explain why real hitler exists because in like video games and stuff he was like the last level you worked your way up to hitler no but that's why the joke blow your robot Hitler load that speaking you know oh hey Adam he got very upset we were mocking robot Hitler yeah well if you listen to the video we explain the logic and reason why we go after I do I am aware of this it's the idea of like you got to go for the most villainous person that has also been around within the last hundred years and is real you can't have real yes he is real I often confuse is real but no that is an ignorance of the pausing between two pieces of a word rags so what you just so mean what I think is interesting is listening to two people try and explain fervently to an audience why we have to go after Hitler that he he can't just be left to do his business for Hitler everyone guys this is he just wanders around the city shouting anti-semitic things at people he's like a meme he's like a celebrity just leave him alone who's that over there oh that's all crazy Hitler all under the bridge at second and main and he's little he's a little out there but he really doesn't like those black Hebrew Israelites that's actually the way he's portrayed in the comic is everyone's like oh it's like walking down the street being racist he used to I mean he used to be a big name back in the day but you know he's kind of washed up hey can you guys hear me now yeah we're talking about Hitler yeah great stuff continue as you were saying about Hitler he's like he's like Hannah Montana or used to be a really big name everyone knew about Hannah Montana and Hitler and years go by and it's just like everyone y'all remember Hitler because no one no one ever no one ever says you guys know Hitler there was a you remember Hitler mm-hmm his glory days of long since past well you know it's like nowadays everything has to be a sequel or reboot because you have to pick what people know I was about to say don't you feel this a bit iterative to bring back Hitler hasn't he already had his his main storyline done like come on everyone expects you to bring some new things the table but you really doing a sequel to Hitler it's not a sequel okay it's a reboot it's a reimagining it's a it's Hitler remastered are you gonna respect your cut you're gonna respect the soul so you're gonna fuck with the Hitler cut release the Hitler cut in full by the source tremendously I did actually it's funny I came up with a bunch of like racist quotes for him and I'm so like wow so she's a really good racist you created and I was like no no no I look them up these are real yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm not I thought you all invented some real killer quotes that were racist I'm surprisingly I know it's very hard to find and you scroll through his tweets he just organized them from like all this to newest I like Hitler Hitler tweets my god it'd be so awesome if you had a Twitter account yes before Twitter banned I want to know a Hitler thought of the sequel trilogy thus we've always said this it's something we need to know Hitler if well I guess not Hitler Hitler's handlers of his cryogenically frozen body if he can if you can hook us up with Hitler we would love to have him on the show to talk about Disney Star Wars someone in chat just suggested you should totally do this look through the worst quotes for movie Bob and have him say some of that in some point oh my god Hitler will be like who's a hell is this man very evil it's gonna say Hitler would be like it's a bit far and some of these quotes seem about a character this so I would say Hitler I'll pay you 10 Deutsch marks if you say that movie Bob is not the uber minge what's that service called cameo if Hitler had a cameo and it's like I want you to Hitler would make a great cameo and then you like him I want you to say by plays himself the Jewish people are fucking awesome I will you say that he's like I cannot get into this character don't understand the motivation so anyway yeah there's some the reason we're talking so much about drop some quotes from other youtubers why that would be great no no as the Hitler quotes I was just thinking it would be substituted out some other like I should make it so he hates the algerious quotes yeah yeah is it movie Bob or is it Hitler here's the quote we did a whole thing on that it was horrible so what made a quiz and you have to try and tell the difference is really hard movie Bob isn't it would be good he's quite a bit of moralized them but anyway since you hear Adam and you know you're not flimping out of existence sell the sell this thing to the audience why should they be interested well it's amazing sitch and I made it obviously it's a unique work of art that we are building on our own like so of course of course just the fact that it's unique and there's a lot of a lot of cultural stuff that we cram in here but not heavy-handedly of course it's you know it's like old school Star Trek where you know they are saying stuff about the world without actually coming out and saying it without hitting you over the head I like to think that it's kind of what the original series where Kirk gives aliens the original the original series yes exactly exactly where it's not heavy-handed plus you know I think we have a lot of self-awareness in this book which I think is unique a lot of times you see in in comics where people are overtly self-inserts they're completely unaware of what's going on we are completely aware like we take the self-insert thing to the next level basically by making fun of ourselves as much as possible so no marys is a lot of a lot of yeah this is the thing you guys were talking about the Hitler thing and I was like are we are we gonna get in trouble if we fight robot Hitler and robot Hitler actually Hitler thing beats beats us up well you got the Hitler thing I think it only makes you would have trouble defeating robot Hitler he's a tough enemy you know we we we definitely think he's not necessarily tough he turns out to be one tough cookie let's put it that way so but yeah no it's it's a lot of action we did a lot of a lot of action I started off saying you know we have to have we have to have a lot of action in this book we have to we have to make fun of ourselves judiciously we have to obviously touch on culture the idea came from an idea that I kind of had floating around but sitch definitely helped me develop it I mean he he did like a first draft it was pretty amazing so yeah no it's a it's a great it's a great story it's a very topical for today I mean it takes place in a world where the supervillains have basically won and enacted a totally dystopian nightmare where everyone must do everything that they say regardless of whether or not it's it's moral or correct so it's a it's a it's a fascinating story I love it I was working on some pages yesterday and laughing my ass off it there's a lot of jokes too it's a it's a comedy fest so your own work you're laughing with it and you celebrate how amazing it is well most most of it most most of the jokes were in fact sitches jokes that I was laughing my ass off at yeah so this is the good thing about working with a writing partner because yeah it's you can sit and laugh at your own joke but you don't know if it's really funny or not but if somebody else is is sending you jokes and you're going okay well that's hilarious then then you kind of have the you kind of know that it's hilarious so yes laughing at your own jokes it's not necessarily gonna be good well there you go what's what else what else we go is any any comments that inspired you guys making this one one camp only the best there isn't a graphic novel for that yet yeah there's one there's one comic yes there's there's one comic that very much inspired us what's that you do you want to one punch man I love one punch man yeah I basically showed Adam a bunch of yeah man panels and he just fell in love I totally fell in love yeah one punch man is amazing so there's definitely like a homage to one punch man going on in this so yeah yes yeah very much I love that comic sits loves that comic so and we're trying to up the artwork so it's it matches that kind of I mean one punch man the artwork is amazing go ahead such I was saying there's gonna be a magic special cameo as well who's good what someone's gonna be in the book who's gonna be in the book I don't know what I have no idea who these cameras special someone special movie Bob someone in addition to all right now me and I'll Hitler well yes you know the Kool-Aid mascot is one punch man yeah Mauler Mauler was nice enough to sign up for our drawing tier so he's actually gonna be drawn in the book yes you go do we have to run past you how we're gonna draw you in the book I mean if we say we have a scene that's kind of like the scene from Pulp Fiction I don't know if you remember the scene in the end of the movie which one are we are we allowed to put I don't want to know if he's allowed to draw you getting raped I suppose you know there's a scene I'll be stifled creatively do you remember the scene in Pulp Fiction right where we're movie Bob owns the pawn shop the only way okay that as if it ends with me with a shotgun I guess or something I don't know as well as character in that scene I feel like out of respect for Mauler we should give him like final say that's another thing that's that's fascinating about doing a book that is self-insert because you don't realize how how how problem at I use the word out what's the other word annoying how dangerous is yeah how annoying it is to do a a self-insert character when you're thinking okay well we have to have we we have this great scene that's like the end of Pulp Fiction but I don't necessarily want my character being the one with with the ball gag but you know someone needs to be the one with the ball gag I thank you Mauler for volunteering have it well you could have a BJ well I'm guessing you you have to do it with the cameos you go is it or we don't have the ball gag scene but don't worry what you and literature devil who also is going to be in the comic yeah guys like giant buff manly men you have like 10 women on each arm well it'll be it'll be super awesome to see what happens I'm looking forward to giving it a read-through yeah so cool we can I can I be hit your shoulder angels both of them are me I'm offering all we assume you will let us know any good I mean depending on how much I will not want to hurt your feelings maybe I won't be honest like oh no guys it's great well that's the thing though the way you can tell if I have nothing specific to tell you what's good about it if I just go great maybe we should pull up Mauler a draft I like your I like your attitude though I have the same attitude like if it's if it's not great and just you know keep your mouth shut right that's totally me I totally do that I always shut up on things that are controversial to say about that is that is me all over but well it depends you're not exactly friends with Ryan Johnson so I mean you can be honest I don't necessarily know maybe I am maybe this was all a big ploy and I'm trying to think about this you've been working for he he's my great great uncle or great distant cousin uncle so I don't fucking know and he was like if I make a movie real bad then you review it early I can make you a YouTube career and I was like oh my god thank you uncle nephew Ryan Johnson this is a great story uncle this is gonna be in the comic right yes storyline how much this is the Mauler origin story yeah it all fits in now all makes sense yeah you fat people in in the chat live right now and later when this is a void of sorts there's a link in description you can see it right there there's lots of lots of tiers different options different covers as you can see this is a you're in for a ride you got your superhero stuff you guys like superheroes don't need chat be honest so people with powers doing thing what are you guys's powers Adam has like laser eyes or something right yeah I'm the light shadow portal he has a shadow power yeah what does it what does that do which goes to the whole good versus evil I can create portals in any shadow that I see or my character excuse me my character in the comic I'm like we need to come up with names for our characters that are not our names so we stop projecting ourselves onto the comic that's the toughest thing because you want you don't necessarily want your character to do anything dumb so well my character does a lot of dumb shit though yeah my character is kind of from social justice attack in my short film so it's not really as me as I think Sitch's character is your character is not you Sitch obviously of course not you're completely different I do like the idea of like a floating robot rags telling robot Hitler what to do like on each other just be me just regular rags could be the moustache there you go gonna reference Hitler's moustache is basically Hitler's moustache is kind of a character in the in this in the comic oh does it talk a character a character of itself my god it talks Hitler's moustache is actually like a really good person but everyone always refer everyone always refers to it as Hitler's moustache understandably you know the propaganda you know now no one could wear that moustache which is which is a lot of Hitler's fault a lot of you know our fault for you know but it is what it is the moustache is there's always good people in service of bad ones what's up Gary oh yeah uh if you guys know I don't even know I'm always really bad at that adam this is gary from neurotic gary this is adam from adam yeah I uh from adam and from the adam and sit show this is adam and sit show exactly yeah no I I follow gary's work yeah I love it nice to me I think this is the first live stream we've been on together I think it is adam unless we were on an Ethan one randomly back in the day but nice to meet you again yeah nice to meet you I know we had yeah it's we all dare you rags they they run a podcast competing with evap for length now I've seen you guys your numbers are climbing I'm offended we are the long have we have we passed you up we're very close to you we're very close in show numbers too I think we're like 125 what are you at really you're at 125 this is episode 125 well really oh yeah oh my goodness that's terrifying can we count this can we count this as our 126 since technically just take your just take yeah it's download and upload the vault onto your channel like why does it look different we're we're ahead of you now that's right in front of evap holy shit what was it we haven't even come close to your 24 hours though oh well I think we did 30 right ranks that was our 30 hours I was on I was there yeah that one was seven of those 30 hours we were very dead by the end of that one yes I don't even know how many videos we covered I think it was like eight wasn't that many considering 30 hours 30 hours that sounds about right yeah that we're already halfway 25 minutes 25 is half way to 50 which is the next anniversary one did you start hitting those kind of numbers or did you start off shorter like an hour or two hours three hours this is the um I can I can help you with the useful visual on evap.me which as all of your evap needs for information the stats but that is a record of how many hours we would have we we were as we were going and as you can see they sort of like fours five sixes you can see the two massive spikes where we were drunk you would say those are too good we need to get something drunk on power this is awesome well you already started off at four or five hours so the next anniversary four or five hours I don't even remember I think we started off around four or five because we did the Jordan Peterson debate and we were like we're never gonna get through this but of course we did like it's like an hour half video I always picture like if you guys see a video you're like oh it's a three hour one I should be like how would you even possibly have you done like pots I'm assuming you have yes we did um yeah we've done multiple days the Eric Weinstein project veritas one we did multiple yeah we're gonna be doing tomorrow we're doing uh we're doing the three and a half hour vash destiny debate part two so we're gonna have to split that up because that's no way we're gonna finish that one day but there's so much good stuff in there there's so much craziness yeah how come how come you never invited us what's that about you hey you know Hitler bleach you're invited right now we're inviting you want well this is a problem yeah we're trying like I want to find a video that we could do with you that's not so overtly political yeah well yeah I probably um I don't know we'll try maybe we can find one that sort of lines up a little bit I think we once upon a time we would like to do a quintan one something to do with quintans probably worthwhile yeah actually he's a funny one I mean you can come on tomorrow if you want you want to talk about vash destiny um could do you know we'll we'll we'll exchange some notes after this stream see if it'll work out who knows but the um yeah just to make sure everyone's going I don't like uh they'd be doing their uh their comic link in descriptions check it out and and grab a copy if you want support it it's pretty neat to have fellow creators creating some core mix um I hope it goes well you play you guys planning I know I think I watched your video talking about this when you first released and it's like stop talking about a sequel we haven't even sold the first one yet I was like but you guys thinking about a sequel yeah but well promise when I'm like I want to do 10 bucks yeah like writing a script and then I'm like this is like 10 scripts sitch this isn't once I don't like oh deck kill yeah well no no our our book has a satisfying ending it does but we leave it open for a second book so and it's got a twist ending which is I think people will like so all righty well Mahler's gonna give it Mahler's gonna give it an excellent review I 10 out of I can I can say that right now he's gonna go he's gonna love this book he's gonna say he's gonna say that this is he's gonna nominate us to write the next Star Wars movie he's gonna say these guys know what's up this is this is we we're tired of this this whoa don't you guys think that the hollywood is right better than the prequels so why would we do that no I think no sitch sitch didn't you I thought you changed your position on that I think you did it on my well be clear my position was that they were both equally awful but I've actually have changed my position that the prequels are objectively better look he came to the light all right high five six high five we were working hard on the comic and we were having a discussion about the prequels versus the sequels and he he said Adam you know I think Mahler is right about this situation that's what I was listening to Mahler and then the voice just crept into my mind and I just took over my thoughts and I was like yes maybe I've been talking about super villains and a prequel sequel subject came up and I don't know anymore well maybe when we started to get to the robot Hitler part I was gonna say robot hit was little angel rags may have you know jumped out of the page and onto your shoulder was like you know the sequels really always just but which one but which one said it was at the angel or the devil oh it was both actually it was a tie yeah it was everyone knows satan and jesus they're both like yeah join forces or shit star wars sequels the sequels came out and god looks at satan and he's like I wouldn't only me we need to we need to come up with like the most obscene thing that we can do for a page and show Mahler and go like is this okay is this like for your answer just to make me go like guys how about Muhammad giving Hitler but that's really not part it really not part of the book or anything um but I was gonna say because we don't have Gary as as long as we probably like to so we're probably gonna jump into the video at this point but yeah let's do it links are available it's neat little project support it if you if you want it and uh like I said who knows who knows who you'll see in this thing if you want to if you want to pick up a copy um but yeah today we all gathered also I I forget Gary do you have any issue with uh with with watch together on your end does it work yeah I don't think so I didn't last time all righty well oh you'll want to do it in if it's so funny because sometimes I'm like gotta explain the format to like you guess whatever I'm like no Adam essentially do this they do this all time they know exactly what's yeah so this is a link you click it yes how does this work people like do I have to download something I'm actually in with my account yeah look at this we have our name oh loses who has accounts on user PCB come on I do I have a name to count well I don't promise I don't remember how to sign in but I do have one I think you have to sign in before you click the link otherwise it doesn't work so okay so because I don't know how to sign in that doesn't help well you okay so I this is amazing thing where you you go to the website where there's no sign in button I'm on no the normal like the main part of watch together the main part of watch together is a little top watch if I click the logo yes oh okay so you click the logo it goes like our rated movie the following video is it doesn't have an option of the top right like every website ever okay it's fair enough we need to explain how links work you click on the link no no no no I got the link brought there's a link a link watch together another website designed in that I cannot sign into my account through the other places well you know there are these things called websites okay and this one is different from the rest yes which is why it's unusual every website is unique I website what is this website thing that sounds pretty cool especially this one it's super unique is it like a construction site made of there's this thing called the internet oh this is and this doesn't match the rest of it this is the um this is clearly a the strange place that Hitler made does anything on the internet really match anything on the internet it's a whole collection of nonsense in a good way um it's everybody are we all we all in the following video is about our rated movies and thus contains some our rated material is that like our trigger warning yeah honestly yeah because this is this is Patrick Williams we haven't we haven't seen Patrick Williams in a while good to see him hope he's it's not correct if they haven't signed in together in so long probably watch together one two three it's okay we won't shame you for not signing in anymore all right just just in the final cut just edit this part out oh I will yeah this is offline send me instructions to reset my password all right you're me out if you exist in our if I if your email existed just in our database then all right now I'm gonna go to my email so I'm sure look that have the chat just it's not we all you do it because we're everyone can try to get only do it because it shows up on screen but I guess well they can't see it showing up on screen so yeah there's no benefit for the audience but well they can see our little icons anyway you know it's all it's all good uh this is the um star you're not showing the video in the video wow I mean they can see us in discord you know this is the star wars is made for children space wizards guy yes that is the same guy and of course I was gonna say I could talk about um the like the video's title before doing the video but I imagine the topic will come up anyway it's called what's the point of our rated superheroes and uh it's gonna relate to comics and movies and adaptations and stuff um but of course it'll be relevant because the Snyder cut is so you can show our rated things the the Snyder cut's gonna be all right right yeah looks like it are you guys super excited for the Snyder cut well I think you'll get different answers depending on who you're asking oh uh I think Snyder's hilarious as a filmmaker oh my goodness gracious this is Patrick Williams it's gonna be dumb I don't know what you're talking about so the following video is about our rated movie he has to put a fucking trigger warning for his fucking youtube video well there's blood that's pretty relevant actually is it really a trigger warning if it doesn't say it's a trigger warning it literally has the word rated in the title yeah but he could have bled it all out he's remember remember when cinema wins bled out you guys know joker right the movie yeah yeah that's that's g rated right the cinema wins I think it was cinema wins was the cinema wins I'll say that somebody we were covering wanted to blur the the the scene where Joker shoots Robert De Niro didn't they blur the blood splatter on the background they didn't blur Robert De Niro's face getting shot yeah so they showed Robert De Niro getting shot in the head and they blurred the blood splatter on the wall behind him and that was all that they blurred out it was one of the most bizarre things ever we laughed for a long time oh so that's hilarious that had to be a joke yeah no it wasn't we cover some dumb people you have to understand that you don't stand away it's we've got a whole of fave on the e-fap dot every feel like the craziest shit we've come across okay it happens um who knows if we're gonna add to it today oh for people have been saying it in chat in discord and stuff that cinematic venom is working on a response to us I thought he already had been how about he had been for a long time um from what I know he made a documentary on himself and there was a brief portion about e-fap where they said e-fap of vicious and mean it's like okay where he said lord the rink's trilogy was awful what you should watch the episode it is a it is a roller coaster that's that's allowed to be had he said he's the highlight is he said that gimley was out of character when he when he suggested that they let Frodo die yeah yeah you should it's a wild ride the wild ride um yeah so if he apparently he's making something else um I don't know I don't know how that's gonna go you know whatever wait we gotta so I said someone said mention the argument about earth isn't habitable in man of steel oh that was on free stream someone was annoyed at us for saying that um uh that they they decided to terraform earth and not leave krypton when they've got loads of worlds that are habitable according according to jor-el in the beginning and they said yes but that doesn't mean planets you can like habit because in some ways mars is habitable you just need to have a dome on it and earth isn't habitable because of a human can't survive in the woods necessarily well it's got all those buildings already made you know well just move it I'm pretty sure that's just not how we use the word habitable in the first place like uh because at one point they said like you can't live in the Antarctic as a human and it's like okay first yeah that rules out earth but also there is life in the Antarctic so the majority of earth is water and humans can't as far as genetically frozen hitler is there's even life like getting close to the bottom of the mariana trench earth life is quite a bitch to kill sometimes or at least it adapts you know it can be a beast anyway the topic we're on today is is what's the point of our rated superheroes I feel like we could answer that question before doing the video but we'll probably just involve it as it goes I think uh yeah it's to show already our rated content um so everything's shown up we'll see you next episode yeah like it would have been at last it's like it's like a before and after situation right because like before it would have been most movies are just coming out content wasn't they're like oh shit this person shouldn't see this because they're too young we should probably say that people over x age can't see this content because it's a bit too there's things in it that could that could fuck with the kid's brain that's probably where it all began and then you what oh sorry the other set is like you should tell people what's going to be in a thing in case they have personal issues with the things they can avoid it right and that's what like all I forget what they're called but when when they say like there's drug abuse there's strong language there's sexual you know they have the stuff oh you're talking about the um on tv you do it for games as well right I forget what the name is esrb is that that's the organization that does them right but I think content warnings are a thing yeah um so not to be confused with trigger warnings right oh I'm not I'm not even I wasn't even going into that I was just trying to talk about like how did it come about why do we use the but it's like yeah just to tell you to warn you what kind of stuff you're about to get and if someone said so why even have them in the first place like well because you can portray what is happening as it would happen rather than trying to avoid showing any of it or um portraying any of it and this applies not just to like gore and nudity but also just heavy topics things that we don't necessarily like to talk about or things we don't want to face that sort of thing um yes and I'm being arrested a modern rated r is you know a pg from 20 years ago or 25 years ago too it gets worse and worse feels weird how much it's changed at this point um and then of course there there are scenes in robocop that like changed me as a kid though like oh my god like it gave you robocop was famously rated r uh well no for robocop well that part wasn't I'm talking about where the like the the waste like the nuclear waste or chemical waste or something you remember that scene yeah exactly and he's like yeah he just he just he is like oh no I'm ugly and horrific you're like holy shit he gets hit by the car and he goes does he like does he like explode when he gets hit by the car yeah he does yeah I saw that I was like oh my word you knew the movie was for you at that point yeah I know I was like this is all about also the it the robot that doesn't stand down and blows the guy away blows him out the window that scene is pretty yep horrifying so and then later dude when he's telling him to stop then they made a kid's cartoon and and a toy line yeah yeah exactly robo garden cop yeah can you imagine getting the toy and not being familiar with robocop and like watching the movie and going oh shit my robocop never did that yeah you'd probably be surprised especially with yeah how that's all that's really interesting to think about how like you can make toys of any franchise no matter who is for the kids will just be like that's cool robo man with guns like yeah it's like you don't want to know well that's it's fine well don't they have like a war hammer for kids or something oh god well the thing I I remember being super young when I was first thinking like alien and predator were fucking awesome you know it's like do you know what these things do in the movies I'm like yeah I saw the movies we're like oh it's cool so cool uh I think I think it's called war hammer adventures I might be mistaken but I think it's called warhammer adventures where it's like nothing's wonderful yeah um they have like magic tree house books or something but warhammer I don't know if they have magic school bus but warhammer characters so magic school bus but they go this is the horrific journey through the the awful awful places this just a horrific universe well yeah I think that's what this video is going to want to talk about most less so the creation of it on its own more so the transferral from things that were x and then they go to y in terms of age ratings because I was going to say the simple version of getting to what's the point of our superhero movies would or R-rated superhero content would be all the reason we just established why R-rated exists and then you add people with powers in these stories and then you got what you just asked for right and it's like why wouldn't those exist what's wrong with them and so perhaps we will be provided an argument the following video is about R-rated movies and thus contains some R-rated material it's also brought to you by Skillshare sign up at the link in the description for a free trial of a premium this is of course it is of course it is be a membership previously on Patrick H. Willems this is charl charl charl I can't take any more of this man I'm leaving hey guys Chloe is going to be our new cast man where is this disgusting building I don't know what's this I don't know what I need this is hopefully hopefully it's over soon can you make that happen is this a joke I think something very weird is going on okay so at the beginning it just seemed like some kind of delusion maybe in a moment of crisis Patrick created a friend for himself I'm hoping lots of it can be moved over quite quickly you know he looks like a really like a really like an alternate universe very young Lindy beige I'm not I can't remember what he looks like he's been inside for a long time like in that movie the beaver starring Mel Gibson but I think it runs much deep I think that while Patrick was on that maybe it's cold maybe the heating broke he's the social distancing yeah from his from the air around him so he's wearing a coat maybe he's in the abyss you don't know it could be in a just an endless black void or a Patrick Willems video whichever one is distinction without a difference right I know is everyone's like oh you're being mean it's like that's okay we're past that dark and stormy night a coconut fell from a tree and just happened to land on the head of a serial killer and in that moment the killer's soul was transferred into the coconut now we're doing great for e-fap ratio intensive time I was about to say it makes you appreciate our hilarious memes I don't even know what this is maybe really really big fans of Patrick Williams we would get all of this it would be great we don't know the lore yeah the Patrick oh I think this is the lore this is explaining the like the character they hot glued some googly eyes to a coconut which I'm one other video this is I've watched one other video of this guy where he gushes on about the matrix which is an R rated movie I don't know if I already I don't know if you got oh yeah we're gonna wait for his I'm I'm just that's what I'm in for I want to get to the arguments this is buying he saw the career I put up with this pot you know coconut in the sand and he thought hmm let me get some of that sweet coconut and he drank from the coconut thereby transferring the soul into his own body wait so does that mean there's a serial killer running around with the soul of a coconut the ad r freaky friday maybe because they would have sounded like ass with the microphones try to get through the bass yeah why don't you just stand six feet away from each other and talk it's too far it'll look awkward this movie would be way better if the coconut was a serial killer maybe it is how do you know that's not gonna be this yeah you'll be better if a serial killer showed up oh no if the if the body of a serial killer went into the coconut and the coconut was the killer Patrick isn't here yet right so there's some hope he might arrive and ask better than who knows off the table right now look all I know for sure is that charles alive and he is charles is just a silly merchandising ploy no one just stipulates like this when they talk well it's the whole like overacting thing right like you like you need to act and then you forget how real people even yeah the weird arm motions and everything like it's a video game well how else i have met italians real italians italians who's only english they know was like swear words and whenever they're late they'll say oh i shall i say that i take a big sheet and that will be their seat like real proper italian they don't even do this i don't even do this don't even like minions or jacob trembling i myself have a charlain amal pin it's perfect for a lapel or even a backpack they may be we're just making youtube videos you don't have to make it all dark and gritty yeah jake the next video is happening and this time we gotta make it dark and gritty bro okay he added something in there to just get a little flicker yeah yeah uh there's like a little devil or something i don't know over 80 years the superhero genre has dominated comic books and in the 21st century it's come to dominate film and tv as well for most of those 80 years the genre was primarily aimed at younger audiences the film and tv adaptations usually existed in just the way he dresses look at this it's a style it's a style he looks like i could here let me let me say this i bet i could probably take this and make a funny like uh like a picture let me say what's the matter with turtleneck well it's not just a turtleneck it's like the turtleneck where the the jacket is way shorter than the sleeves oh yeah that's a bit weird well yeah oh yeah that's that's really good catch you know it's odd yeah i could i caught it because it's yellow yeah look he got up at the crack of dawn to shoot this well rising sun in the background yeah it is dust maybe it's dust the sunset or dawn whatever it is it's better if it's dawn it's stylistically supposed to be like that it's a color palette wow oh yeah uh is was this video made in like uh 2007 or something because is there an r-rated superhero movie problem that we're having well i think it's just not good he's laying the foundation and uh we're getting close to starting to make some claims and that's the part that excites me about r-rated superhero content not even just movies okay in the pg or pg-13 realm but in recent years there's been a shift happening a trend i find kind of strange not surprising but strange more and more often the superhero media made by hollywood is like this so this seems a little bit unfair already yeah so i mean it's it's just taking the little bits of violence and stuff and showing them at the you know against all the other stuff but also he didn't even blur the blood splatter what the fuck yeah oh trigger warning i thought it was great i was like more more more more well yeah joker um especially what's the matter with this joker is not gratuitous as a as a violence film it's no very few scenes even have violence in them and this is it well that's why this was this one especially on the the prior when he showed they hit pretty hard you're like holy shit um but you can't do these scenes if you have just one of these scenes in your movie it's already r-rated that's how it works and so yeah you know it's a risk not like there's like some huge amount of these r-rated he's he's saying like there's like all these r-rated superhero movies coming out that's not really true i mean he shows the joker which was fairly unique he shows the one like wolverine movie where it's supposed to be kind of dark because he's all old and everything's kind of terrible like that's kind of the point of the whole story 2017 right lugan yeah like this isn't the norm the norm is like avengers yeah avengers are definitely yeah and even like the dceu which was you know dark and gritty and everything now they're doing aqua man's and wonder woman's 84s and things yeah this obviously it oscillates in the dc universe yeah it seems uh in spider verse came out and that's very kid friendly right right yeah so you know and this is the thing it's like he's only shown a montage just like yeah well i'm just trying to address like what the implied point here might be and not saying that he necessarily holds these views completely it's just that i don't i already don't like the attitude and we're like hmm plus he conflated pg-13 earlier too so he was already laying an aside to his argument to go after marvel right yeah um well and to me it would make more sense if you want to crit i mean i don't know if he's criticizing this yeah it seems like he is to criticize not something being rated r but something being needlessly edgy yes yes and it's funny because i would say that the zack snider movies or some of them are needlessly edgy and they're not even i don't think the justice leagues or the batman vs human they weren't rated r were they i can't remember what what exactly i think the snider cuts been they announced this right i mean well maybe he's retarded if you take the scene out of joker though is joker the same movie i would argue not remotely the whole movie yeah this movie's this scene is essential to this movie right yeah and i would agree yeah this is the climax yeah it could have shot yeah this is the scene the whole movie revolves around this scene like well unless unless i mean they could have shot it so that we get the angle of him aiming the gun at the screen firing the audience react and then we never see the body or the shot they could have done it that way not the same not the same not even remotely the same it evokes something in you to see how rough and straight forward this is just an execution and it's all been building this it's been building this this is the emotional climax yeah it's all about this scene like i don't think joker would be like nominated for academy awards like people wouldn't be raving about it without this scene oh yeah i think everyone was referencing the it was just the interview scene the the talk show yeah totally look he pulled it out for his video he knows what's up yeah he knows get all of this i can't help but go what in the how ironic is it that the this guy is woke as can be and he's using grorschach which is the most conservative character like in all of comic fandom as his voice over i just think that's pretty ironic he's probably going to that's probably gonna be something of a tie-in in terms of like the whenever something comes across oh he's gonna make fun of him he's gonna throw it rorschach under the bus oh yeah whatever something comes across is hypocritical they would they're probably a counter argument of like ah you missed the point or something like that like rorschach the last man with principles the past few years the films and tv shows based on dc superhero comics have been aimed exclusively at adults there is currently no justice league cartoon on tv but there was an r-rated direct to video i'm a little disappointed that birds of prey uh is r-rated they still didn't show any skin damn yeah really well i do i mean it's totally wrong yeah they had the already that would be crazy damn what did they do with that movie to get a doll rating did somebody yeah i was wondering the same thing but i've never seen it i've not seen it um do you see it gary good for you what's that birds of prey birds of prey i did see birds of prey what are they doing it that gets an r-rated violence probably and it's it's pretty mild yeah yeah let's say for just violence alone it's gotta be pretty violent they were probably begging they were begging for an r-rated they're like no it's gonna watch this movie please give us an r-rated no adam that's the studio mentality they they're like hey joker was rated r and it made a lot of money hey we got another super villain who's kind of like joker let's make it rated r it'll make the same amount of money and then it doesn't matter who directs it yeah the writer director's not really right there was a comment about who it was that commented on that was it james gun who put out the tweet saying like people gonna learn the wrong lesson in terms of studios from the r-writing for uh deb pool i think is what he said it about um because deb pool people say deb pool led to logan and logan is like possibly what gave the pathway to joker um yeah it's interesting about video and then he makes an r-rated movie james gun with suicide squad isn't it going to be rated r the suicide squad i don't know but i wouldn't be too surprised yeah yeah that'd be great um but yeah as for um what is currently available in terms of new dc content and if it was all r-rated wouldn't it just be like oh well they can go and watch um they can still watch loads of really great not r-rated content the kids again yeah star wars has it covered yeah i mean like i saw a scene of teen titans in here so when we get to that like i'll agree with them on that one because well titans because it was a it was a f-ing terrible show written by akiva goldsman who wrote pacard and he's one of the worst writers out there he wrote batman and robin just to let you know hey so he's amazing he's phenomenal what complicit and putting nipples on the bat suit uh oh i i will defend the bat nipples we needed them well no i just want consistency if they were going to be on bat girl then i'm good with it but they weren't okay so and i wanted camel toe too but we didn't get that either so but in titans when we get to it there's there's something that's just there just to be edgelord oh absolutely i i've only associated that show with edgy i remember the trailers that leo fuck batman it that's what he says about batman robin stabs a dude in the dick with us pair of scissors too oh okay yeah see that's we were just talking about how necessary the seated joker was that robin stabs one of the bulls with the dick with the scissors you're like did you need that it's like yes thematically i needed it all right well we'll see how it works out at justice league movie this year the director's cut of batman v superman don of justice is rated r for sequences of violence and based on the success of a lot of these major studios seem eager to make more and to keep catering to audiences hungry for movies where superheroes rip each other's limbs off i don't know that it's about wanting to see them rip each other's limbs off right i know you'd be a little bit hyperbolic but the two successful r rated superhero movies was joker which was not at all that it was a very serious non hyperbolically violent movie with like one scene of violence and death which was a comedy so that's not really fair if you want to throw logan in again logan is so it needs that rating for what logan is it can't be what it is without an r rating like everyone recognizes that and the interesting thing about it is that it was created for an audience that kind of would have been you know younger to teenage when they saw x-men the 2000 2000 or 2002 i can't remember but um you add 10 years to a person who who saw that movie and they're going to be hyper invested in Hugh Jackman's portrayal of of the wolverine so that that movie lines up if you will and you're allowed to go a little further because the thing is i don't know if you guys remember when you watched the x-men movies but there was always people like he is stabbing people with these claws and there is no blood ever this is like yeah it's weird a lot of the times that that violence that's depicted in media is to remind us of how kind of it makes us believe it's more real and it's actually happening that it's not being colored up and hidden away but it helps you kind of it helps you get invested in the world because you'd be like shit yeah that's what would happen if this was a yeah it was a thing there was a moment too wasn't it Black Panther like one of the gods gets to throat slit open and she just there's just nothing on her throat she falls over it everyone was like yeah okay that's the because it's funny it was when they do stuff like that sometimes you're like oh are they is she okay or she oh no she's dead okay but she just faint yeah you don't really you might have missed something but yeah you know they did that in the dark night remember the Joker like he puts the knife in the guy's mouth yeah like what happened how are you dead that's almost like that should hurt a lot but yeah that's actually a good point I guess you'd have to sort of dig into their face just try and get the knife into his brain I don't know but yeah that would be an example of what they could have done in Joker but like it changes Joker and the same thing thing for the dark night if they had shown you in explicit detail the Joker executing that guy we like well this is already it's no way you're getting around it it's yes well what kind of movie you're making what's happened where is it going and what does it mean is it a good thing is it a bad thing look I'm not trying to go all hell in love joy here won't somebody please think of the children I'm just trying to answer I'm just trying to answer he did his best to be manly for as long as he could gave him a cold yeah I'll be honest I prefer to use his normal voice testosterone the cringy I'm glad it's over all right we did it we passed the intro what is the point of our rated superheroes which and in the question it implies a sense of like there isn't a point to them and it's like wow all right that's going to be super interesting so many are so many R rated movies uh R rated superhero movies are so badass you're like destroying it's a huge chunk of movies dude when when I because I went to see Logan the Sun when he fucking he like slashes the shit out of the first set of people who try and they I think they're trying to mug him or take his car yeah it is like whoa because it's like this is and it's not about like a sense of oh I'm so not used it's more so like they're actually portraying what it would be like whoa instead of you know hiding all of the gore now I know a lot of going to flood into the comments before they watched the whole video and accuse me of being a fake nerd who doesn't know the original comics I didn't even know that was the first thought but all right it's weird we're at four minutes and it feels like we're about to start you know he's doing our job feels like it's not greatly paced for a video essay but all right and claim that I'm trying to impose restrictions and censorship upon storytellers first of all I do not think that R rated superhero stories are inherently bad many of them are great it would be weird to take that position yeah even for him that would be bizarre but good I guess I like Logan a lot I'm excited as hell for James Gunn's Suicide Squad Deadpool is wait one sec fine it's perfectly fine oh so no I'm I don't I it pulls amazing I don't like how it made all of us like why did he do comedy violence is the best violence it's it's Deadpool's amazing I mean I was the thing with the lighting in the camera and the weird it's outfit is this like a macintosh ad from like the 90s it's cool it's like a it's more interesting than just someone with a with a camera rags okay it puts him above it's it's filmic cinematic it would be better if he had like blood all over him though be honest yeah if he had just had blood like all over his hands and face just pieces of flesh randomly folding from the ceiling he doesn't have to go real good okay just jam it would be hilarious in the context of what he's saying they did jam in the bat woman episode recently with a girl slammed against the windows as a jam he could do jam oh yeah it was like this weird ketchupy sort of it was it was clearly not blood they didn't know how to make fake blood which I which I imagine is one of the first things you learn how to do as a filmmaker is learn how to make a course or else there's gonna be a lot of they've had people's faces getting torn off in that show feels like they should probably you know get on it with learning how that didn't look good either though no no I'm not he's shouldn't exist and please I beg you don't accuse me of not knowing the source material I've been reading comics hey no one cares I'm more concerned with your arguments less concerned with whether or not you know your source material and also um as for he's not he's saying I'm not saying these shouldn't exist I'm gonna hold that statement in my hand see see if that changes as we go along look for a copy weekly 99 here's me as a kid when I exclusively wore a clothing with batman on it here is my collection of trades and graphic novels he's establishing here's my collection which is what do you think Gary what's that how's his nude cred trades and graphic novels a little weak personally damn you're collecting this outfit and this lighting you can go to Barnes and Noble and get trades and graphic novels not at a con it can get them anywhere that's basic bitch stuff I do picture like if he invites you over you this was the seed I should be like oh man what do we what are you a vampire yeah but like like one of the lame vampires from like uh wow what was that show why light or vampire diaries no it's like the fake documentary about vampires you don't want what we do in the shadows you don't like that you don't like those like they're all like the vampire they're lame in it he's got the emotional vampire thing down he has an emotional vampirism where he sucks all of the emotion out of a room he's in yeah he goes down with like one punch even looks like the guy who plays the emotional vampire he looks just like that guy vampires can can do vampires bleed well depends on the fictional gas but yeah because like so can so they can also theoretically cry like a vampire can cry right yeah yeah sometimes they cry blood especially in an interview with the vampire right which was yeah yeah yeah I remember but yeah a vampire has to feed on another vampire's blood to become a vampire so a human has to feed on a vampire's blood yeah yeah that's um I can't remember who who was it um Bram Stoker's Dracula that popularized that um so I remember because I'm pretty sure Joss Whedon took a lot from Bram Stoker's Dracula for his like core vampire rules for Buffy um and they have that one because a lot of people wonder the difference between like like oh with vampires can't be like zombies right it can't just be a bite it has to be something else too and it's like yeah usually they uh you have to drink a vampire's blood as well yeah it's drink a vampire's blood or or sometimes they get bit and you gotta bury them and then kill them in the grave and some you gotta put a stake through their heart in the grave or some of the ashes or take a piss on them whenever you're watching Patrick Williams video it's like a whole lot of it yeah yeah or movie grind them up in a smoothie and drink them yeah all righty he's got a kind of literal sandman scenes of single issues here are my copies of Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns whoa Amazon like the funny thing to be yeah look at that they look brand new this is like this is like tryouts for the virgin championship well it's funny to be because like he's not even like this is stuff that I'm fully aware of like I'm not even I'm like well that isn't that like entry level like you of course you have them let's see that's like you google like what graphic novel should I buy and you get like the like the IGN page is like Watchmen Dark Knight Returns yeah Batman year one yeah exactly I give you a thumb up good job I have a first printing of the infamous issue where you can see Batman's dick so look wow oh my goodness that's like from the last years all right well now we're at the point where I'm like wait what were we proving because now I feel like we're proving something else I don't know yeah if people came over to my place it'd be like this is my sword these are my guns this is Batman's dick this is Batman's dick and this is Batman's dick on the book over there if you want to check it out no well I've got an actual Batman dick I got a one six scale Batman dick in a cave does it come with its own bat vegeta cave and it comes with well erection action too inciting erection figures is that what you they're not dolls mom they're erection figures think of the the potential with them and how much they'll be worth as time goes on perfect well the one six guys are getting so detailed I'm waiting for them to come with dick and balls with erection action it'll happen I guess it already exists maybe even if you disagree with everything I say here just don't accuse me of not having done my homework my god he's bitter already that will depend on the arguments yeah I don't it'd be like if I said you can't say I'm inaccurate on this particular movie or this particular argument because I've been watching movies my whole life it's like that doesn't correlate yeah totally so now that out of the way let's answer an important question all right who were these characters originally for oh why is this relevant I don't like it if they're going to adapt and progress for the kids well that's the thing does it matter if it was originally created for a child if as the story progresses the character gets older and the audience gets older with them right at that point does the content not match its audience still wouldn't that be an argument for making it all rated as it as it progresses not necessarily in terms of we gotta get violence in there but at least it may be going for harsher sort of storylines I don't know I mean I'm wondering what is the answer to this question that would possibly change the final answer yeah I guess we'll see nothing as we need back to where this all began no we don't the comic books I can sense the blowback already the people in the comments saying um actually superhero comics were always made for adults no did you even say that they weren't yeah well he's sorry that's it it's a straw man that's bullshit uh let him go sorry I need to let him well I was gonna say I'm a little bit like off-center because it's like he's already trying to counter arguments instead of just making his position clear first yeah you have to say things first and don't start your sentence with fucking actually please actually even actually it's just amazing to be like I know all of you are gonna disagree and it's like say what you believe first please I don't even know what it is and it's even worse because as you said it's a counter to a straw man if anyone really arguing this point I guess someone out there is and well I guess he's gonna show those people out there that they sure are wrong I didn't know that any but I've not heard anyone say the comics were always exclusively for adults I've never heard that or it was the first for me either well it depends if you're talking about like yellow boy and the propaganda stuff that was out there back in the late 1800s or the penny dreadfuls and stuff could they kind of were or the pop uh or the yeah yeah but then if you're talking about the if you're talking about the collected uh sunday funnies that were put into a magazine and sold those were made for kids yes yeah I that's what I would if someone asked me I'd be like well so my limited knowledge I assume that they were they were runs and IPs and different things that were more so meant for kids to teens to adults who knows yeah they're probably all over the place much like most media and most formats yes you know from you in the late 1930s and into the 40s and 50s superhero comic books were produced primarily for an audience of children primarily even admits it as long as nobody's being primarily all right yeah all right all right read them as well they were very popular with soldiers overseas during world war two but the writers and artists making them were fully aware that kids were their main audience main audience okay this doesn't even yeah because this is like yeah this doesn't seem relevant because I was going to say there's a bunch of principles here that can totally smash those first being it doesn't actually matter who you created something for intentionally it could end up being for a completely different audience that just could happen my little pony perfect example right yeah um who knew who knew the bronies were going to evolve and then you have like uh who was reading it now define like this is the thing who it's for I'm not even sure how I would define what defines that who it's for you know it's like I don't I don't really be for a lot of different people at different times in different places like I just hard to say this is Julius Schwartz from the 40s through the mid 80s put it we were putting out magazines for eight to 12 year olds and julie Schwartz didn't like comic books it was a job to him he wasn't a comic book fan before I mean he certainly appreciated him when he was there he was the better editor at DC for sure but it was just a business to him it wasn't a passion so yeah he was telling him it was eight to 12 year olds and that's why eventually marvel came out and kicked their ass and we're in wasn't wasn't this a guy that was totally upset about the fact like he felt the little that comics were only being made for these kids like he felt like it ruined his status yeah yeah he was Julius guy because Will Eisner always wanted Will Eisner always wanted to be like a more prestigious thing like he felt bad that comics were were looked down upon he wanted to be like novels like respected yes yes and he was a pioneer Schwartz well I mean it was a good guy he was a good editor but Roy Thomas just did an interview in bounding talking about julie Schwartz just it was just a job it was an eight to five he was happy to have it he's from the you know the the depression generation where you know working was great and having an income because they knew what it was like to be poor but there wasn't the passion didn't it didn't start changing until people who actually started loving comics came in yeah this guy's like the garbage collector of comics here like it's just a job i'm just here to do a job yeah there was two editors at dc right and uh eddie this he was the better one for sure and i find it like i want to pull it sir and i find it interesting because it reminds me of the the people the the comment they always wheel out when they're talking about how everyone's man children was like uh did you know that george lucas even said it's for 12 year old and it's always like okay so when i watched the simpsons when it was coming out when i was super young man i used to watch you with my dad who was not a young man and we both loved it you know yeah that's possible it's like the idea that it's like it's not meant for you also like this is implicit statement like i don't care who you put it out for like why why would you even want to have a story that doesn't appeal this is like it comes back to walley and stuff like that where it's like these stories are clearly kid-friendly but they're some of my favorite stories like do i have to do i just i can't like them once i grow up to a certain age or something this guy's a segregationist right here totally he wants to segregate us well and that's where we're at with entertainment right now it's not made for you uh yeah totally too bad i like it i still have comics i bought when i was eight to 12 and i read them now and i enjoy them so basically mollus invoking lucas's authority and denies it self-contradictory dodd says i don't even oh take that when do i ever use george lucas as a as a like a he said it therefore it has to be true in relation to arguing people's enjoyment of stuff like the poetry george lucas we've already been over like how it's george lucas it's not the oracle no it's legal i was gonna say what about george is the oracle if anyone wanted to make the claim that uh he would decide you know x y z is like it wouldn't take long for him to say something that you can be like okay nah okay going a bit far with that wasn't george lucas like super praise worthy of tfa when it came out he was like totally chill with it i can't remember what like stuff he said in relation like he approved and some people like i thought he was devastated by it i thought he was like you guys trashed my treatments what the fuck what is that garbage that maybe it was all like sort of uh promotion and that wasn't you know i thought he was crying during the premiere statements he made out you know he's like it's something to the effect of it's fine right right i just he loved tlj i could have sworn his tlj comments were very like limited and then it was like hmm i thought he sort of was like he gave a backhand a compliment which ended with there's no new ideas in it that was big uh yeah that was yeah that that hurt him um because whenever you appeal to like an outside source just for their perspective and opinion we had this when we were looking at um the twin perfect video um they started playing as x knight a comment or someone from some audio track and fringy was like stop appealing to an authority or whatever and it's like well it's fine if they want to present someone's argument or someone as a as an example and then you can approach their perspective as in in this case look julius schwartz said this it's like that doesn't mean that what he said is true just because he said it true yeah what it means to authority yeah and what it means necessarily i suppose in this context is he's just saying yeah these were the people who are our main audience that doesn't mean the stories aren't going to be read by all kinds of people it's just it's just a weird but you know we'll see where he goes with it i guess you could pull out ten will eisner quotes that totally put that to shame easily when stan lead jack Kirby and steve ditko revolutionized comics with the marvel you why would you get a picture of two of them and then labeled them with their names and then say not pictured a third one that you didn't just put a picture you could have just gotten a picture of it all right why did he get a picture of the poor man he's probably going like hey one's enough i have okay all right it's fine whatever not more in reverse you guys should do some fad minis about my little pony friendship is magic i i i haven't hey no hey you know what it's i like the people recommend us media that's cool kirby and steve ditko revolutionized comics with the marvel universe in the sixties part of their approach was skewing just a tiny bit older the comics were still kid friendly but they were a little bit more psychologically complex for a target audience of i i have to rush i'm very late to an appointment but very late indeed and he says the poor kid she was me and who can blame her the only reason alicia put up with me was she's all his friends are blind some freak from another world and why shouldn't she because my dick is all my friends are dead how could they put that in a comic oh my god this should be all rated talking about his rock hard dick well then she couldn't take me anymore oh there you go she couldn't take him anymore we're doing the the whole like yeah we get some some stuff we're doing the concept is like should how cruel is it that he is treated as a monster for this unfortunate result and it's like oh my god it's probably because he looks like a big monster that's cruel ranks shouldn't judge a book there's cruel i'm sure he's a nice guy yeah but you might have some relationship issues i don't have the thing i don't even work out with the blind chick the thing come on evap we'll we'll talk about your monsterous face i want to hear about how a blind person couldn't you know not even they could see the point here relationship 10 teen year olds the fact is people tend to become a fans of superheroes as kids my generation was introduced to the genre mostly through the cartoons about x-men spider man and batman plus the 90s batman movies on its most basic level these are stories about good versus evil full of bright primary colors and larger than life characters what's hard man doing the superman back there this is this when they say stuff like this in these videos i'm just like all right all right where are you going with this then yeah where we go i like they're cool i'm in the car with patrick williams but i'm not sure about the road we're driving i'm not sure where we're going how dark the grippers kidnapping you yet or not primary colors and larger than life characters no matter how dark and gritty and marley complex they sometimes become marley yeah what was that that was weird it was that watched together was that his video that was that was him that's the thing that came up before in the um the first two minutes ish like a little character i think it's whenever he says gritty i was at his name possibly gritty primary colors and larger than life characters no matter how dark and gritty and marley complex they sometimes become at their heart these were designed for younger audiences and you know what that's okay lots of great okay yeah we're all sitting you're like all right okay i i guess somebody out there didn't think that okay yeah i'm assuming he's building this because it's going to be relevant in a moment to something else that's all i can say why i agree with your premise here patrick i'm on your team for now things were made for us miyazaki movies are gorgeous emotionally mature pieces of art i know for a fact that you yeah you right there have cried watching at least one pixar movie and lest we forget old george lucas himself created star wars for kids that's a film for 12 everyone okay now yeah there it is for a very large audience yes you know the george lucas the the apex capitalist was definitely ready to make those movies for a lot of people kids included i don't think they don't even realize how this is folding back on themselves when the people make this because you know this comes around right the whole like why do you kiss so much it's meant for children be like are you implying that because the story doesn't have the gore and the the nudity and the drug use that that's the key element to make us justified in getting angry at a bad story like those things instead of how poorly they botch a story and like messaging or consistency whatever if there aren't tits then don't even bother it's like if you know like if star wars did just have this random full frontal nudity it's like finally i could be angry at this movie because it's for me now i just know we about the children there's an important distinction that i need to make here there is a difference between something made exclusively for children and something that is appropriate for children like star wars um yeah that would come into that exclusively for children is probably like tally toby's i guess yeah exclusively for children that's why in the last jedi it's it's you know intersectional feminism is something we need to be teaching 12 year olds they gotta understand absolutely who's this fucking bear wait what bear is yeah this fucking bear he speaks Spanish probably oh right what did you think it was what did you think it was i didn't have a frame though that had it now i do oh i thought you you just took that for some this took that for some like a beaver or something like it's so cute raise how could you call it a bear he's a cuddly little teddy boy oh girl it's a pink bow so that's a girl because it has a bow yeah you're assuming that's gender you bet your ass i am and something that is appropriate for children the former is something like dora the explorer arv say dc superhero girls oh my god look at this yeah oh my goodness i don't even i don't know what this is i've ever heard of this i have never heard of this so i guess we have that one woman girl back girl on the left owl girl we have owl hawk lady hawk girl hawk girl and then we have uh the cockroach the wasp and then beagle oh i didn't even know i don't know what wasp is i don't know i guess it's wasp and then we have we have the the snake charmer which is why there's a sound that snakes make he he's arguing that robocop should be in this style right now yeah what no it's exactly what he wants that's exactly what he wants he set all of the footing that's required i would say to now not need this video to exist so like i'm curious where we're gonna go you know the left is something like batman the animated series and that is what we're talking about here that show is ostensibly a kids show it aired on the fox kids block of saturday morning cartoons during the 90s it spawned an endless line of kids merchandise but as we all don't think that's a qualifier for i how you know i mean like we just talked about like so much non-kid stuff that generates kid merchandise like why why are you bringing that up we don't yeah the merchandise is secondary we're not exclusively for kids batman no of course it's just that like he's like yes yes but it's it's aimed for kids and i'm just this is gonna do a lot of work for wherever he goes with it like making sure we agree on that i'm just like mmm i'll know it was made with such a degree of artistry and intelligence that adults loved it i would argue that it is the single best version of batman that exists in any medium the show's feature film spin-off mask of the phantasm has significantly greater emotional depth than any of the live action batman movies and to date none of those live action batman movies have a sequence as disturbing as the one in which the joker tortures and brainwashes robin in batman beyond return of the joker i don't have much of an issue with any of this i'm just like all right so where are we going i'm still waiting because yeah um yeah what i i'm still waiting for the punch line yeah because i'm we're just trying to get to the point where he starts to say our rated superhero movies shouldn't be our rate i'm assuming that's where he's going we're we're only eight minutes and 30 seconds in the video i mean do you expect to know what the video is about eight minutes in i mean i would i want to know in the first 10 seconds i already know from the title what this is about that's why we're all waiting for him to get there we're just like oh my gosh joker turned him into a little clown boy he did yeah oh my goodness and all in a kid's cartoon so as we continue this discussion but if it's drop but if it's not like a violent or realistic depiction of those things and it's fine like you could have murder and killing and kid stuff i mean they'd straight up plug bad guys in johnny quest but it wasn't depicted in like a horrific or graphic way yeah kids can handle like death and murder and stuff it just depends on how that's presented to them and then you go bambi would always be referenced just like jesus christ the mum just gets annihilated in that opening y'all remember the um you guys remember the mechanical shark from james and the giant yeah that thing was scary yeah that shit was spooky and like holy shit what a oh that's a scary one yeah that because something is aimed at younger audiences it means it's any less intelligent than a hyper gritty r rated movie if you're embarrassed to enjoy kids movies why do you think he's inserting those frames for a meme i guess it's like a little joke meme thing i don't think any of us i've ever said that like intelligence directly correlates with age rating it's like there's like a little monsters ink guy in there that flash real quick fine but that's on you so starting in the early 70s a shift started occurring he's got to have a fight club reference or something like that's a fight club thing he's there's gonna be a fight club reference i'm guessing gradually comic book started targeting a slightly older audience who were demanding more realism and more complexity in their stories and this steadily increased into the 80s and 90s why what was happening here well to find out i did some digging cracked some skulls sent a couple emails until i reached the source a man who had experienced this all firsthand i talked to jerry conway co-creator of characters like the punisher jason todd and killer croc writer of the death of steicy and an eight year run on justice league from many decades the i guess i was expecting something different jerry conway who wants to now cancel his own character the punisher because he's a pussy really oh man has to say all right perception of the audience for superhero comics were boys between the ages of nine and 13 but starting in i guess the the 1970s as my generation came in as creators we started trying to create stories that were still of interest to us we wanted things that we're going to address the concerns that we have now as older adolescents or young adults and this persisted through the decades as we creators grew older and as our audience grew older the tone of comics and the the perception of the audience started to shift away from that original conception of kids in their preteens i think that the the stories that we did and the turns that we made were artistically uh uh justified but from a practical publishing point of view abandoned an entire market just to follow uh a uh dynamically decreasing like it seemed to me to be uh pretty self-destructive i don't object self-destructive like it doesn't mean like in a in a capital sort of way like um we're gonna be making less money because i wouldn't necessarily consider it a bad like choice to be like you know what our audience is getting older we're getting older we're gonna move into telling different stories it's like oh it's self-destructive because you won't have many people as many people to read it it'd be like oh well i don't think that's as much of a problem oh did he say something we're commenting on it it just depends on how you'd sort of define self-destructive i mean i know like people who were coming in in the 70s uh were more into comics they were actual fans now so you you're you've got like the next generation who actually gave a crap about these characters and yeah they were telling more sophisticated stories and denny o'neill was you know putting in politics here and there uh with uh with batman and uh green lander and green arrow con conways a legend not gonna say but he's you know come out recently against punisher because of all the crap going on in the world uh and a lot of people have wanted to cancel that character for including joss weeden joss weeden hates the punisher so because he kills people is that why his because he got pregnant said if he took over the marvel universe first thing he would do is kill the punisher the fuck oh well what's what's the beef with the punisher probably because he kills people i guess yeah with guns you know like he's vigilante oh yeah joss weeden's very anti-guns the punisher isn't a woman josh weeden can you know abuse since oh my god that's you can still be mean he heard the punisher got pregnant the punisher fights back that's the problem yep god damn it the but you can't lose the punisher the punisher is like you need him to help represent a scale like the punisher is a great little addition to that sort of um a sliding scale of where all of the heroes lie like punisher rests on like as far as you can go before people will start definitively calling you a villain like um and i think it's important to to address that line to talk about it and okay people love the um what's it called the story where he and daredevil crossover or at least have their um is it because i you're gonna know this better than i will gary but like um because they do it in season two of the daredevil show right but that's like directly from the comics some stuff is borrowed from the comics like the dare uh punisher got popular because he was in daredevil frank miller's daredevil so they borrowed a little bit uh from that or actually a lot but it's it's not it's kind of like the comic but not really it's hard to explain unless you read it but they were following the same beats uh love daredevil on netflix too it's fucking great dynamically are quite violent um that's like there's certain characters that are absolutely built for rated art obviously i mean batman's kind of in between you can do both right and daredevil should absolutely be a rated our character all the time uh unless he's in like guessting in a spider-man movie or something so well yeah it's like when people um go ahead go out no you go first i was just gonna say there are some um when people find out like oh they're doing a this thing for this character and then they go it's not gonna be all rated though you'll be like oh like like if they go more combat movie it's gonna be pg you'll be like what how what even what it's like warhammer but just without all that violence these are the things it's not like an appeal to we want gratuity you just be like oh that's strange but um like you know because if the storytelling is like amazing but at the same time they don't have any gratuitous violence for the model combat movie it would be very very odd and the same goes for stuff like daredevil and punisher like every time he shoots his gun the camera cuts away and you're just like all right it feels like you're gonna get a very different experience when uh when watching something like that but anyway let us see what else this man has to say well i i'm just curious if he's i'm curious if he's arguing that those dark desires that human beings have should not be explored because i feel like exploring them in our fictional media does us a huge service because people don't have to live out these complex feelings that they have about you know wanting to kill their neighbor because he fucking did some shit with it their hedge or something you know they can watch a movie and think i would assume that they're gonna be gunning for should it come from its own thing rather than be transferred from something that was someone else's thing that's probably what it seemed like over time should the stories mature up or should they just start something new if they want to start telling mature or you know more adult things i don't know we'll have to see i didn't i didn't see birds of prey but i'm under the impression that birds of prey lays out a particular type of fantasy for a particular type of person someone maybe hates men someone who thinks all men are evil someone who really desires to like bash their heads in with a baseball bat you know it's exploring these complex feelings with people out hey it's a theme okay man i mean you guys kind of suck i suck you know we it's uh it's uh too many males on this podcast fucked up there's some diversity in here i know we have a shadow person but i'm just saying you know there's complex ideas that people like to explore in their fictional media rather than in their normal lives where you know there's consequences to exploring those ideas oh yeah i know i'll give that's another thing that are rated pretty much guarantees a lot of time except with like really shitty writing but your heroes won't be protected from consequences and because typically it'll be like they have they're free to have everything that should happen happen that's kind of what i was saying with the wolverine stabbing people you're like ah we won't be limited by ratings which happens every once in a while you'll watch something you'll be like wait that oh right this is for kids so okay yeah i can't tell if he's making the argument that the depth of our human exploration should be dora the explorer well the yeah the dora the explorer is about exploration the part that stopped me here is him just saying it was self-destructive but i don't know in what context he's referencing that if he strictly is referring to how much money they could make then he's probably vaguely correct in terms of they'll make less but i just don't know that that really matters when you're an artist trying to you know tell your stories it's like oh it'll appeal to less people it's like yeah but is it is it with telling how long before they launched or the gender explorer gender explorer comes out as non-binary or the gender explorer i'm sorry i also don't identify as going to like the gender cave just he's a tiger now light it up uh a uh dynamically decreasing market seemed to me to be uh pretty self-destructive i don't object to the idea of story who who has more money kids or adults well the adults are kids though right i'm just saying yeah you gotta buy one for you and one for your kid true stories aimed at adults but i believe that those should be the uh the tail and not the dog they should be the thing that that whoa wow slur can go to uh after you've you know grown out of the original uh uh material and they should be the thing that you go to when you grow out of the original material well if it was written well i wouldn't grow out of it but like isn't that what it is it still would be that at that point wouldn't it because it could still be that i mean it could operate that way he's saying like are we built comics for you know kids for so long and then we started to build them for like older people and it's like well you probably shouldn't do that they should be the tail of the dog i don't even know what that really means it's like it should be the thing it's probably one of those old boomer sayings because i was gonna say i know a lot of boomers saying but i don't know that like like it should be the exception not the rule well that's what i thought he was going with but then he said it's the thing you go to after the other thing that's how he characterized that so he's so okay graduate to it kind of yeah like the thing that's weird about this is you know for the examples he was talking about you know death of jason todd and some of these other more adult comics uh in the 70s and 80s like i would still read that stuff if i was eight or ten like i'm not gonna be like oh someone died in this i'm not gonna read this comic anymore did i agree with this point when i'm done with the original material i immediately look for port of it well yeah it's fair enough yeah i guess that kind of applies all right that would be the tail end you see i have to go find that comic book with that man's dick that's not everyone wants after you've you know grown out of the original uh uh material and that material should be timeless and should be aimed at a at a young readership with a uh a slightly less sophisticated or less uh why demanding you know uh why best story speak to both though they do speak to both the kids can understand a man the adults can under it should be less sophisticated that's interesting like what kind of story appealed both ends of the age spectrum yeah both all rather um so it's just a way to phrase it it has aspects that are less sophisticated that kids can understand and aspects that are more sophisticated it'll go right over the kid's head but the adults are sitting there next to the kid going wow this is amazing absolutely yeah lots of subtext stuff that helps as yeah a 30 year old reader might have there's nothing wrong with addressing a 30 year old reader but that should not be the mainstay of your uh i don't follow that why not you know if if someone said you shouldn't appeal strictly only to 100 year olds i'd be like why not if you want to do that make your comic 100 year olds i don't know that's a that's a diminishing market it isn't well it's a small market it's sort of cycles you want to corner it that's the thing yep yeah totally you're the guy that caters to 100 year olds the sentogenarian weekly i would like to read a lot of readers but they are devoted i'll read a spider-man comic exclusively for 100 year olds i'll see what they do with it i'd be interested the words will be really big yeah it's like a spider-man to the old folks home he's just like it's like when you see your grandparents yeah on their on their cell phones and the words are massive on it well do you guys have a like what about grandparent's house what was much younger they had the telephone you like hold it holy and you'll have each button was the size of like two thumbs and it had the the double is huge on each like oh man well you know if you need it efforts when you're dealing with let's face it a fundamentally silly uh and childish conception of fiction uh i don't like superheroes are fundamentally silly and childish what why would you say that yeah sorry epic of gilgamesh fuck you oh that's the kind of state where i'm just like this isn't gonna work when you stuck out the definitions as a like you see it's it's silly because they wear costumes you're like does that is that it is that's what actors do well it's silly then movies are silly think fundamentally silly and childish it's the kind of thing where i think a lot of people would agree with it in passing but then when you really dig into it you're like but that's not really a fair comment at all is it not really silly because it's superhero i don't know does anyone gonna describe yeah the bible's for children because it's about a superhero let's say well that's what i'm saying about like he mentioned loken and uh well dead pool maybe this would be easier to try and argue with silly but like who calls logan silly like it's like okay but it's fundamentally silly it's like who's saying that no one's saying that no one they're they are trying to get silly out of the costumes no of course the silly costumes i've gotten this costumes have gotten a lot less silly over the course of the year and that's why i'm totally willing to agree on aspects but like saying it's fundamentally silly the concept of superheroes i'd be like how not silly at all no totally no i have no problem with i think the costumes have gotten worse well the costumes have gotten much less imaginative over time seems to be there seems to be a little a smaller resurgence in the past like it there was a there was an era where they were like no fuck the source we're just gonna go for like costumes that people might wear in real life and now they're trying to like combine that trying to be like you remember that the source is this okay maybe if we can tone that down move that around like they seem to want to do that yeah like a lot of the marvel costumes like you know this isn't you know like silly and jolly but it isn't like dumb and drab either yeah it's kind of balanced with a lot of that stuff and some people are asking by the way what's the problem is silly it's like well so the the argument being made is if it's fundamentally silly then shouldn't it be uh created for a younger audience kids yeah well i hear silly and my brain thinks like so it doesn't make sense like silly mean like nonsensical and sure um like it's absurd yeah and in the way like excellent like you're super here wearing super bright strange and colors you could be like why would you uh not want yeah are you running around in your pj's i'm more hung up on childish silly ones it depends on the character yeah yeah well that's the thing in certain context i i'd love it to be like i said bad man robert i fucking love it and if someone was like shouldn't we make it less silly i'd be like no no you crazy more more more give me more so yeah it's complicated but like to argue like that is like baked into super here con is like mmm but we'll see where we go in next patrick where you taking us oh i hope it gets somewhere we're fourth of the way through when he hasn't made a point yet we're back to like the sketch oh no did you just get a notebook delivered pat said he was sending us the script for the video it was nice of him to write it all out by hand twice uh uh is yours really damp yeah and it has this weird smell you're so what's our assignment this time more dance montages um i think he mentioned we're supposed to find ways to make the video gritty gritty like the lovable orange monster from philadelphia i literally can't imagine he meant anything else so what's up with the ratings i'm glad that you have people willing to be in your videos he pays them surely well he's super lefty so he might not oh maybe i don't know you know how you know how they are with me or their stingy capitalists they're very good at paying exposure for non-american audiences the r rating in america you can't pay women an exposure that sex is what oh no really don't expose yourself not for patrick williams have some have some stand system for non-american audiences the r rating in american film given by the motion picture association of america stands for restricted and means that if a viewer is under the age of 17 they are required to be accompanied by a parent or guardian now the american rating system is famously fucked up lady bird and the king's speech are rated r and so are the passion of the christ and the raid two and the hostile films and look i know a lot of people see all rated movies when i mean yeah sure i guess to it there are there's two levels of things so there's ultimately it's run by people they do presumably their best i don't know that they would have some kind of agenda to want to r-rate things to get them away from the maybe there's some people like that but i imagine it can be tough sometimes to know exactly where a film should be rated right and i'm yeah especially when you've only got like basically four categories to work with right and of course reasons for the rate like in king's speech they there's like the whole scenery says fuck shit like a hundred times that's probably why it has the r rating yeah totally two f words yeah pg-13 you're only allowed one fuck you've been the worst door they explore says the f word twice and it's rated r and then also it's right but if she says once it's only pg-13 yeah it's like her fuck boots can we just go to the goddamn beach having like um yeah to get r-rated let's say for an r rating uh all you need is someone to get shot through the head and to show through the whole thing do you have like a joker type film or something with just that scene and then a film like you know flesh pound the film where they just this just all go constantly is like how are these two films rated the same it's like well that's reductive is the like this the idea is just that they both qualify it's not that they both have the same content or anything um but you know fine yeah i i agree though in some sense that like there's there seems to be some weird shit going on with how things get right yeah super smash brother's melee should not be rated t for team so it's so terrifying with the hand when it grabs you and throws you around i don't know you get yeah you get yeah with stuff for us gotta be rated so violent and their kid i did too but also a lot of parents are strict about that and will not take their kids to see an r rated film okay and hollywood knows that okay so the choice to release a movie with an r rating essentially means that they are deliberately cutting off a potential younger audience okay and this is where things get interesting with the content inside of it he says this is where it gets interesting i'm just like all right finally all right finally we're getting somewhere sort of 45 seconds here we go when we have these major corporations producing movies based on characters originally intended for children but saying this is not for them anymore see the thing about hollywood is that it's any more and it's never had a monopoly on them exactly yeah and we're making a specific story for adults about the joker takes place in a completely different world without a batman doesn't mean like no more kids you're done that's it you had your fun and if you had a kid who was like oh but dad i really want to see joke because i love the joke you'd be like yeah you can see it when you're old enough for now you're gonna have to just enjoy all of the other joker content that is suitable for your age why is this even being brought up this is just like yeah that's how stuff works i guess a reactive it never has any real plan it just constantly attempts to copy and replicate whatever money after the huge opening weekend of the first deadpool movie filmmaker james gunne wrote over the next few months you'll see hollywood misunderstanding the lesson they should be learning from deadpool they'll be green letting films like deadpool but by that they won't mean good and original but a raunchy superhero film or it breaks the fourth wall yeah so i believe that hollywood will miss the point of a lot of things and they'll try to copy the aesthetics and the surface level stuff instead of the deeper meanings or the heart or the soul of something a lot of people say that like uh that's what suicide squad was like almost a mishmash trying to copy several things one of them being gardens of the galaxy which you can tell from the soundtrack they were like gardens of the galaxy used a lot of pop songs from like the 80s and stuff we should do that let's just throw them in randomly and turn them on and off randomly like there's no rhyme or reason they just show up and you're just like oh there's another song i guess because that's what he's highlighting they'll learn the wrong lessons and stuff but like this is just a problem that's everywhere this is an exclusive to like our rated superhero because he's already conceding seemingly the dead pool was worth it being an r-rated dead pool and i'm assuming he'd say the same for logan despite al wolverine being very much a character that was appreciated by much younger people so i'm curious how he draws the line is it is it not the fact that it happens but the fact that it gets bungled and it gets excessive for some projects and it's just at that point it's like yeah you have a problem with something else at that point totally agree with that and it's more r-rated superhero movies assuming that's the reason it was successful and a concern i have just like jerry conway said about the comic book industry is that by continuing down this path they'll lose the next young audience that is supposed to find these characters you can't say this while showing avengers age of ultron being promoted here for children like there's way more kid friendly stuff happening still than there is r-rated stuff yeah especially when it comes to marvel i think we're either a good balance or we could use a little more r-rated stuff like um and i'm not looking for like gratuity i'm looking just for um again stuff like joker logan whatever like um marvel is filled to the brim for children to enjoy that it's so weird that he would appeal this way where it's like yeah you'd be the dominant content for superhero stuff that kids can enjoy that's what you're referring to yeah for all outliers just enough of that deeper stuff to make kids go huh yeah and and and so you can't appeal to the idea that there's nothing for children left he has to go for a balance and it's like the balance is clearly tipped in children's favor so i don't know what what exactly your advocate for other than enough no more r-rated children stuff or r-rated adaptations of children initially uh created characters or something which is just like dude yep and i don't i mean conway was talking about comic books right which is going through a completely different problem than film that would i wouldn't call it a problem with film by the way but the comic book problem is is going uh too far down the watchman road with certain characters over and over again for too long i felt like i feel like there's an argument for possibly them being excessive right like i i would totally see that argument well comic comics burn everything out right they they if it's successful they'll copy it and just you know it's better to burn out than fade away and that's fine uh but the problem currently now is is political and ideological uh they don't want to tell heroic stories there's people hungry for them there's still a huge market out there and that's why manga is selling like crazy right now and indiegogo projects are doing well and back issues are selling really well but nobody's buying the new stuff uh it's political i wonder would consider all the woke politics being shoehorned in the comics is you know inappropriate adult content or would that i'm sure you would consider it just fine probably just fine with it politics you bet he'd be totally fine with it and he would come up with a reason why his politics are absolutely okay but politics he doesn't like those things i'm not even quite clear yet if he's simply taking issue with like the baseline stuff like gore use of drugs and nudity or if it's something more significant than that like um yeah Harley is a character on a cartoon for kids but those kids grew up and took the character with them and now she primarily does he know that like kids are constantly being made well this is the why i'm confused because he seems to be going between these arguments himself he's he's almost highlighted right now ah that's why harley quinn stories have changed from being in almost entirely like uh bouncy and friendly to oh now she's in a movie that's all right i'm a cunt well yeah i was going to say that's sort of a side but agreed but the but then he's like yeah he's like that's that that explains why that's happening but you know now she can't be enjoyed by kids like well what are you talking about all that stuff you just said that those kids enjoyed still exists all those kids can still watch it if they want to they're in the same way right that um something like a harley quinn if we just pretend that he's 100 right she was a kids character now she's been made into an adult character and that sucks because children can no longer enjoy her who are being as rags so aptly pointed out created now on that little um conveyor belt of in the baby factory they're all coming out and they can't enjoy here harley quinn oh no but like but there's all kinds of kids content getting made this brand new that they're all gonna love everyone grows up with different characters it's okay um i i i know that there'll be parents who are like no no no someone like harley quinn or whoever is like no this carry is amazing i want my children to grow up with them and i'd be like oh yeah that's still you still can in the same vein by the way that i would happily show my kids if ever i had some the ot i would hell i'd show them the prequels i'd be like yeah and stuff is still like you could still put the dvd in the tray yep or stream it it's still good and then if they were like because it's not new the kids don't give a shit i mean the first time you see it it's new and and it's so well and i was gonna say and if someone was like oh you know the sequels are still kid friendly you can still show the modern star wars that's built for them like no they're all right they don't need to see the sequel it's gonna be fine there's a lot of kids right now exclusively reading manga and older comics including mine they're there you can read those books whenever you want we're not any we're not in a children of men universe there there's we haven't reached the last generation of kids and here comes the uh there might be some being made right now and here comes here comes the super taker right the what people want and what is created sort of working tandem to a degree and so like if you're going to advocate like we should stop doing that you're like well clearly people like it and want it and if they didn't it'll die down and if they want more of it it'll ramp up like i don't know what else we can really advocate for at that point in terms of like i don't why do you guys want more movies like Logan where you take a superhero you all know well and they put them through a really raw and rough situation to have a movie that's very introspective rather than cheery about how he beat the one the day and be like i don't know i'd be game for that that's all i wouldn't mind seeing it and then if a bunch of other people see it and go you know what this is my yeah this is my jam i'm liking this because i i'm in this for different reasons but i stayed for different reasons and uh yeah i guess we'll just see how this all unfolds really exists in me adults the hbo max cartoon and the r-rated movie birds of prey and these things aren't bad the show is good and the movie is pretty solid i think like really solid i mean i haven't seen it i just wow see that's a low rating considering right we'd expect him to say it's great pretty solid pretty solid oh he likes tlj he thinks it's a fun that's what i'm saying is like the best if he is describing birds of prey as pretty solid it's like ooh that's a white the indictment which actually means not solid at all yeah i feel like that's him saying it's not very good but he can't say it because his team his team is supposed to be okay with birds of prey yeah i'm glad that i don't have to worry about that nope we don't certainly on e-fab we don't have any teams it seems like Warner Brothers and dc oh did you were gonna say something we get to like whatever we like which is so liberating oh yes yeah isn't it freedom it's great and these things aren't bad the show is good and the movie is pretty solid i think but it seems like Warner Brothers and dc have abandoned the ten year show is good that is he is he arguing that is he arguing that ip should have some consistency like they should like batman should be either g rated or r rated but having various properties at various different rating levels is the problem seems like he might be going down that road i mean wouldn't you argue that the last jedi destroyed you know destroying the character of luke is is needlessly edgifying or trying to adultify complicated character as opposed to just appealing to the child character from the originals didn't they have like charred remains of his aunt knuckle in the original movie i mean i felt like that as a kid i was like holy cow they're still on fire the whole notion of like you know in in the original star wars you know luke is good and the empire is bad it's a simpler you know mythos that tlj kind of destroys and turns upside down tlj destroys everything uh that's heady stuff having the the uh uncle and aunt emulated uh i feel like it would actually get them a higher rating if it was released today because that is quite the visual you just like holy well was that before pg-13 or was that after pg-13 good question it was the 70s right i don't know let me double check first pg-13 movie i remember seeing that as a kid and was like oh my god it was 84 so yeah this was seven years before the first pg-13 rated movie yeah well yeah episode three has some stuff in there that they probably had to they probably i could imagine episode three had to go through a couple of edits after the pit they it was first watched in terms of like you can't you've gone too far yeah i remember the original like uh order 66 was a lot more like dark and uh the sea like i wouldn't actually be against that i'd be like oh shit we want to do that all right but then again this is getting really complicated because if you had like a pg rated story and its sequel is r rated it is getting a bit like wait okay yeah all right this is weird now because continuity wise like you have to wait a few years before you can see the rest of this story like okay that's to me that's really unconventional it's not something i want to say you can't do you know you're like hmm all right i guess um but over the it's the only solid argument it's the only argument that may have some merit to it just for practical reasons like yeah do a Deadpool that's like pg-13 and then the next Deadpool is x rated it comes out like in a year but there are going to be a lot of kids that are like i'm very disappointed by this i think the arguments on shaky ground though because if we went let's say there's 15 movies in the series and the first one is pg and this the 12th one is r rated and in between is every sort of shade that extends between yeah it's like is that all right and it's like they come out yearly so it actually matches up with your average audience member's age or something i should be like hmm doesn't i don't know that he's making that argument no well i don't think he would be either i'm saying like what do you think about that what do we think about that i think it's really interesting to have a movie grow up with the audience member in terms of what it's willing to show and talk about i would argue that that's actually happening because i always feel like these people you know each generation they want their guy in there writing their movie like he's the one that knows all the inside jokes of that generation he's the one that has experienced all the things of that generation so i argue that artists do grow up with you know the generation around them that's a very Harry Potter did that yeah totally you might yeah Harry Potter um because one of the good examples someone's probably been challenged like a Buffy's season one of Buffy's very campy and silly and stuff by the time you hit season six it's like oh let's talk about grief suicide drug abuse and just like Jesus okay yeah Harry Potter oh yeah definitely no Buffy i was about to say yeah because i i i don't know i guess my mind blanked enough that we're still talking about Harry Potter and like Harry Potter day one Harry Potter is suicidal yeah remember Harry Potter takes crack Harry Potter Harry Potter with chamber of weed Harry Potter and the magic math oh yeah there you go i'm down for that really if you want to make that movie i would totally watch Harry Potter the half pound of cocaine Harry Potter there you go and the magical cocaine yeah the final movie Harry Potter and the machine elves the final movie starts to pause it like what did any of this actually happen but you're like oh my god oh my god Harry Potter wakes up under the staircase after a horrific lsd trip about him becoming a wizard now you're talking you do the zoom out of a mental institution as he bangs against the wall saying i'm a wizard well let's go really talk we have that movie it's pans labyrinth oh yeah oh it's true um all right anyway the character created for if you spend much time in nerd circles of the internet are a few like i have tweet about the idea of r-rated superhero movies you'll encounter an indisputable fact this is something a lot of fans want twitter and reddit and various forum i think that makes complete sense um it depends on what kind of argument they'll be making though if we're in a call right now and someone said i want r-rated superhero movies because i explicitly want to see flash i should be like okay i just that's weird that that's your goal um if you ask me i'd be like well i'm interested in stressing out the characters and situations that are really difficult and like morally dubious and seeing how they deal with it especially characters with power that go beyond like what we have in our everyday life i a superman having to deal with really hot because a lot of people like to try and argue that man of steel is that it's superman dealing with it in a realistic way it's like okay well stop it and you know the boys season one wanted to try and sort of say that it's like we're we're trying to do superheroes but in a real world and how they might behave and what could happen it's like i really like these ideas i want to see more of them i want to see them done well um it's not at all tied to i want to see tits and and and just blood splatters and drugs getting used all the time it's not really about that at all yeah in fact i would say that word season two because season two of the boys it comes across as very childish and immature with its depiction of those things oh it loves doing violence all the time it's it's kind of it almost i can't think of anything else that has ever made me be put off by that sort of thing because of just how i guess gratuitous is kind of a word for it well yeah she oh how gratuitous it is there's a part with kameko like peels off a man's face and you're like yeah why are we doing like well you know it's and i wouldn't even like if someone was like it happened in the comics i was like yeah i mean but why like i just oh don't ever look at anything by avatar press then oh no that's yeah that's horrible then no that garthenis really loves to get his uh darkness out with that stuff and the boys was tame compared to his other stuff and if anyone wants to be like wow season one had violence too it's like yeah i know but season two uh when they drive into the whale and they have its heart beating next to hewie as he sits on it with flash all over him it's like clearly they've cranked it up a bit yeah it's just we have to just like it feels like it's just violence and gore for its own sake yeah but best case scenario it's operating at both levels though like it's operating at the intellectual level and it's operating at the i mean you can't deny that there is an audience for people who just want to see like fantastical gore like how the whole horror genre is based on that so check this out right you got all superhero movie should be all rated so fuck that guy i don't know who said that that's stupid all superhero movie should be all rated it's like no no but look at this one x men doesn't need a new set of movies x men needs a i netflix netflix like series an r rated series written by people who actually care about the characters in the story not by soulless people who only care about something and filling seeds dollars um so like i might be this might not be the argument this person's making but i would be interested in knowing like yeah so what can we do with r rated x men it's like well first of all x men is about a group of people who are like considered different and worse than humans and there's lots that you can do with that that is very mature and they have powers to fight back and like magneto is a character and what he does it's like i could see that being much but like in isolation you'd be like well of course whatever movie he's going to be a part of is going to be probably going to be an adult rather than child like and it's like there's there's lots of potential with x men um in terms of making a very adult sort of storyline in terms of how things turn out because of course you remember x men the last stand it's like mutants versus humans to a degree but it's a tame there's a woman who is stabbed by a hedgehog man and it's there's no blood there's no anything she sort of falls over it's just like yeah there's lots of killing there's lots and there's lots of harsh things being said and understanding what it means to be in a a society and accepting people who they are and stuff and it's just like yeah there's lots you could do there i'm okay with that there's someone said yeah but x men is meant to be for kids also but i should be like you could still watch the kid friendly stuff it's still there i never went away the thing about the gore though is the gore lies on a spectrum where the story doesn't necessarily lie on a spectrum because there are certain people you know they're they're not going to be turned off if the story is intellectually interesting but there are people that are going to be turned off if there's too much gore so it really seems like it's a battle over the you know how much more is the right amount of gore without losing the entire audience i i'm i could go pretty far i mean i think i like the like ripping off of limbs and stuff just for the sake of it but i i don't know i'm well straight at department yeah i'm not trying to come across as like a prude who's like no i don't want it unless it's absolutely necessary it's like it really depends on on like a context all i want to do is not be seen as someone who's like that's why i like i'll rate stuff i love it yeah man rips a head off someone throws it with the wall that smashes into pieces like that's not like yeah i want to know there are things necessarily off limits yeah best case area though is if the story is totally tight like you're feeling the story and the gore is there at the same time and it's done tastefully and why it's done well let's put it that way i don't know if it's and of course i'm thinking about it and i'm like but then i wouldn't mind maybe an over the top superhero movie that does go nuts with the goal but it's in a tarantino kind of way i suppose only yes but like the tone reflects it and you know robocop did robocop broke all the rules doing that shit and this is the thing we've got so many options and i don't want our rated to suddenly be like you want to see heads explode it's like no it's like it maybe but like it's certain you know i mean as long as it goes with this story sure yeah um random heads exploding this so few as well um the the it makes me wonder why even this video seems like it might be relevant someday at some point but like now doesn't seem like the time we're not because um i was just thinking about how uh yeah they're saying evil dead in the chat evil dead too oh man come on this is the evil dead season one was great oh my god incredible and they always tried to outdo themselves every episode you're like there are totally times where we could totally do this stuff that's the thing and so he's collecting everyone who said they want our rated superhero stuff it's like all right in the context of comedy it really works because that you're allowed to go a little bit further when it's comedy because you know it's it's comedy of course love people begging studios for r-rated movies about superman or the x-men matt reeves's upcoming batman movie doesn't have a rating yet but a hell of a lot of people are hoping it gets an r so i would i just i'm just hoping it's good yeah same i presume people want the r rating so that it has no restriction and it can be whatever it wishes to be that that's yeah a sentiment we appeal to yeah um i know if something if something is supposed to happen in that universe it's allowed to be depicted to us yeah and we think that's pretty cool um and this is the thing if someone wanted to be like well in fairness batman is meant for an audience above i just like yeah like this is like a bazillion batman at this point i don't see why we can't have one that's all rated yeah there's no intrinsic rules baked into batman that it has to be this rating yeah brave in the bold it was great i loved that batman could teach me the alphabet fuck yeah so why is that looking at the various r-rated superhero media that exists they tend to get that rating for one specific reason it's not sex or nudity it's not really profanity it's definitely not drug use it's violence if a superhero movie is rated oh my god that was okay i mean he's right i think but like now i guess we wait for why this is a bad thing i suppose oh my god that was awesome that guarantees that it's because it contains more extreme violence than the genre usually has and this tends to be for one of two reasons okay reason one indulgence while in real life i flee from any instance of conflict and do not generally condone violence i can totally i think he said do not generally condone violence because of the riots he probably said oh yeah definitely riots are good with my side honestly i'm very pro riot when it's my side i think he would have said he doesn't condone violence if not for the riots have it happened he probably would have been like yep violence bad yeah all right violence sometimes except when we do it it's fine it's the language of the unheard is it's like punching nazis i'll well okay there we go what do you know just like fucking clockwork yeah i was gonna say dab patrick like clockwork i wasn't faring it that he just came out and said it because obviously the what do you think we're gonna say to this patrick's like and who's deciding who the nazi is patrick with the amount of times that i've been called nazi yeah i'm not too confident in your guy's ability to accurately point out nazis yep he did that in his matrix video too he dragged he drugged trump into the video i was like jesus the fuck wait have you covered are you guys covered patrick before what the fuck do you guys have a covered patrick williams that sounds amusing no we did you totally should grab it off we may have you know when you're when you're at 126 shows oh yeah we have have you ever i think it was an episode 100 rags that it was the first time that we i i started up a video and i was like oh shit there's people in channel like you've covered this before and i was like oh fuck i think it was yeah it was bound to happen yep we've never done that your time will come one day maybe you could that cinematic violence can be also it's not okay to punch nazis you can't just go around punching people for their political beliefs i don't know why this is hard to understand if you the logic ends up in the fucking dumpster you're like but we can punch the super bad satan people right you're like yeah that sounds okay on paper i guess and it's like but how do you define them like well now everything falls apart so actually no come on you guys have seen indiana jones you know how we roll it's very clear you can always spot them i have to rip their heart out before they rip my heart out oh yeah that's right rags i have no heart if they are wearing like a nazi armband yeah maybe we're having a conversation he says it's full nazi outfit and it's part of the german army in the 1940s exactly they still can't punch them and let your armband come out of the war you know i love the idea that patrick's walking down the street and some guy is just openly he's wearing the whole nazi gear and then patrick is like wait you're you're a nazi's like absolutely i believe fully in every single aspect of the nazi and he goes i'm gonna punch you just picture the black lives matter this is yellow turtleneck his the guy like i can pictu