And we are live here from 21 studios in Orlando, Florida. I'm Anthony Johnson founder of the 21 convention in 21 studios Here today live with Socrates alumni speaker and professional architect You know spoke many times the convention also live with us today is Carl from black table logic and taught him and sharp from the sharp reality Ryan Stone from married red pill and of course roll to mossy from the rational male Venom and thanks for joining on Yeah, thanks for having us Oh, yeah Rollo looks like you're driving across the country I'm driving today. I just I'm just kind of along for as long as I can join the conversation today I just entered Alabama. So I have been doing some live streams from From the road for doing some periscopes from the road But I am driving about half of my gear from my my home in Reno all the way down to Florida and then I will be seeing you probably on Monday That's what I'm doing this week Notice how his accent is just a little more southern now that he gets it as soon as you get into like Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama Things change. There you go. It changes a man. That's why I'm on it It's correct and fat What's that?  Hell yeah, man Nothing like Southern cook nothing like soul food Ryan what's going up on an Canucka stand Well, a couple things first. I'm really glad to hear that.  So that's cool On the married red pill we just fit it. We're on the next phase of our 60 days of dread This one's about career a lot of the regulars and head guys are posting their career lessons on Basically how to advance depending on your goals It's some really good shit and it I have mine But I'm a little bit late because my career stuff here just kind of got over with now Not really much to brag about there It's just you know a lot more money and a lot better Responsibilities and all you really have to do is just adopt that same red pill awareness. So that's kind of neat I plan on finishing off a post on the subject and then I got to get writing for the convention I guess I'm coming down there and I got to think of a good topic So that people get their money's worth out of the hour that they get to watch me run my mouth I'm looking forward to it Donovan Carl. Hi. What do you guys got going on? How you doing? I'm doing good. Um, yeah, I actually uh, I can add yet another platform uh to my illustrious My illustrious list.  I was doing and the interesting thing is is that I was just putting my I was just putting my introductory videos. Hey, this is donovan sharp today.  It's actually a streaming service So not only can I I can't make my content available to the public The only place I can make my content available is my website, which is donovan sharp.com So now I can stream live to donovan sharp.com and guess what I don't have to I don't have to worry about anybody Reporting me to anybody or the spam software or, you know, bullshit terms of service They're moving the goalpost all the time Again, I knew eventually it would come to this I certainly didn't expect it to happen this soon But now at least I'm in control of my content and I tell people this now all the time When you put your content on another platform, you don't own your audience They do and so and so listen now I own my audience So, um, so yeah, yeah big things happening Just like I said, just donovan sharp.com is where everybody can everybody can get everything and the train's still on the tracks Donovan sharp train. Don't stop no brakes. No, sir. No, sir Carl, how you doing man? Oh, I'm doing good. I put out a couple of essays since last time one on An exciting topic of research methodology and how to correctly evaluate and apply the results of scientific research to your life It's a riveting read very interesting not dry at all And then I followed that up with uh, well, I think it's my best title of an essay yet of penis pills and psychopaths That was just out yesterday Sounds good and The topic of that essay is more or less what cults and cluster v's do to take control of your life How do they get you into their frame? How do they maintain their frame and how do they how do they construct? A solid self-reinforcing frame so that no matter what people try to do to break you out of it You interpret that as well this psychopath told me exactly what was going to happen So that was kind of a preparation essay for uh, it was a capstone I didn't put out when I was writing my cluster b essays earlier because it's one of those essays where you're writing things And you know if the wrong people read this they could do some real damage with the knowledge in it But then I figured you know With everything men are doing because of their bad positions in this actual marketplace What's one essay going to do against, you know what the truck of peace and shootings everywhere? I mean we cover an in-cell shooting every week and We have a royal wedding now where a marine pilot is marrying an over-the-hill woman who May or may not have a sex tape coming out in the near future worth millions Happens well, she's not only passed one wall.  That's his porn star name anthony dream johnson Actually met a girl through the night and she she heard this is like a nickname of mine.  There you go. Why not? Oh, look at this. Oh shit Well, actually check the legality of it just out of curiosity before I mounted the cameras in my bedroom And what I think you're notice you can do about six months and a fine For illegally filming someone without their consent and then they're if you broadcast it That's another penalty, but that's mostly an FCC penalty. So that's just to find this lack on the rest Just make sure you don't curse in the video That'd be really all you know happen like that from right you promiscuous woman.  So I I've got to believe that if you set up a webcam service in your room And women knew exactly who you were they wouldn't be hitting that hard Yeah, full full consent and all the tears of my driver's license. I'll give it some consideration Like he used to do on those those girls gone wild videos I remember when the first few came out But the first few came out and dude the guy was just walking around taping girls licking each other's pussies and asses Then like, you know, I guess he got sued something happened But then what happened was is okay. What's your name? My name is Marie And uh, whatever her last name was okay.  Yes, I can send all right. Let's do it like he has to get that consent on camera.  Yeah, yeah, they're going to a couple of the clubs. Yeah, did not know I don't know they're still around Roundtable guys we're getting to the issue is a one-on-ounce Well, we announced yesterday the tickets won on sale earlier by tickets to the 21 convention 2018 of Orlando, florida Our main event only event of the year being held in central florida this october Anybody who does not have a ticket yet can get tickets at the 21 convention dot org dot org And they're on sale 800 all $800 off till may 31st You can meet myself there socrates rural tamasi rhinestone dot. I'm in sharp And we're looking to kidnap carl as well and drag him to the event work in progress at this time though Yeah, I've rented the black nondescript van.  Okay, I got you But we have a whole bunch of speakers guys We have 18 out of 21 confirmed so far guys like jack murphy jack donovan a lot of jacks Richard cooper from entrepreneurs and cars Ed latimore aj cortez And on and on down the line. We have a huge speaking line up this year and it's getting even better every week We add a new guys. We decided rhinestone for example just confirmed as an alumni of the day And I pack Campbell as well Yeah, the lineup is just fantastic this year Yeah, it's pretty fucking awesome look forward to it look forward to a personal level and professional level every level And I appreciate I'm looking forward to hanging out with you guys again.  Yeah, good.  Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yes party at soccer at this place. Yeah, there we go No, we actually did now. I legit and that's that's legitimate. Yeah, we've done a couple the after party is a 21 studios This is a private this is a vip one vip only behind the velvet rope there, right? Oh, yeah, there we go Uh, so let's move on to some social issues guys. So there's another yet another in cell shooting or uh, Not necessarily in cell but another, you know terminal beta basically went AWOL I don't even know what to say at this point given that we've talked about it so many times And it's the same phenomenon happening again the same fundamentals as far as I can tell Is anyone I'm just gonna ask because I haven't followed anything of it as soon I saw the news story and that's it I never even read it.     You know, well, he actually had Molotovs two and IEDs. I think Yeah, he really went all out. I don't think you're in Texas. You got to do it bigger. I guess Jesus Yeah, I haven't heard about pipe bombs since the 90s in school shootings. Yep. Yeah, the Columbine boys They actually made you know pipe bombs and had serials and utilize them.  He's driving over to the east coast here Do I need to like watch outside my window or The way you have a fight now you're on your way over Now suckers you said he had a he said you said he was under fathered. Is that what you said? Yeah I would have no doubt that there there's no father figure in his life.  Uh, it just doesn't happen I agree. I think um and he did have a father He was obviously not a very good father because boys with you think about it like this, right? I wrote an article on returning kings dude years ago called the and we'll circle back to this But I want you guys to I want you guys to follow where i'm going here It was called the how professional athletes show us the importance of fathers and I what I did is I highlighted six professional athletes Three professional athletes were extraordinarily talented probably the great some of the greatest athletes of our time Alex Rodriguez, terrell Owens, mike tyson, right? Together those guys I think made almost a billion dollars just in salary alone But they all had like like mike tyson his life was a tragedy before he even entered into the ring Of course, because he didn't have a father his dad left him. I think right after he was born Uh tia was raised by his grandmother down in alabama where rola tamasi is at right now And then of course alitz rodriguez his father left it nine years old told me he was going to the store I never came back Well, these guys these guys were terminal betas and then I highlighted another three athletes derrick jeter michael jordan And uh and tom brady all of dude these guys are world-renowned global fame You know their their reputations perceive them But what they all have in common is that they had strong fathers So you can have a father in the home But just because you have a father physically in the home doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to be a strong father Yeah, listen Great as far as i'm concerned having a weak father in the home is is literally just exactly like having a single mother in the home Nicholas cruz the south florida shooter raised by single mother This guy this guy obviously had a very weak father who had guns and what I do I say every single time this happens what all of these people have in common all these all these shootings have in common Is that they're not good with women they cannot get they don't even have to be good with women They just have to get a little bit of pussy that And I know it sounds simple, but I'm telling you if We can talk shit about females all we want to you can't really get that kind of interaction anywhere else And if a man really feels like he can't get that female sexual interaction from females Guess what if he's got some sort of mental illness combined. It's it's it's the perfect storm This happens every time it's what they all have in common I will add a little nuance though just not that he does get them But just that the game is fair There you go. His team is like no chance That's when the desperation sets in because we'll chase that Carried on a stick as long as we know we have a chance at it. Right, right Yeah, when they think that's what jordan was getting at and then they shit on him for it Thinking that you're getting like issued like pussy cards or something like that or oh my god Yeah, I was I was gonna say I tweeted about it, but last night when I got into the hotel that I was at last night I I flipped on the tv and of course I've got you know even on fox news They've got some female commentator talking to some female host Once again trying to diagnose The you know these kids problems and they all come back to the same bullshit diagnosis, which is these kids need more Love and they need to be able to Express themselves more and they need to you know, they have such anger issues that they need to you know Express their feelings and they don't feel like they can they can you know talk to anybody and it's it's all this really feminized ideas of what boys are going through right now and of course the solution to that for the for this for that mindset is That You know to just to add more of the you know putting more fuel on the fire really for these guys because when you're talking about a generation of kids who are the the participation trophy Generation these are the kids who've never had to worry about that kind of stuff Yeah, and you know in the same breath they'll uh, they'll come out right after saying that let's say that all men are toxic violent crazy demonic assholes So it's like this constant messaging that's just hitting these kids and everyone are you know young men Really one of the I was going to go back a little bit to what donovan said because his interest is professional athletics and My personal interests are happens to be crazy motherfuckers and all their shapes colors and sizes and one of the more interesting observations that I saw from I'm not sure if it was Jonah Varro or Robert wrestler But when you look and you analyze a crime that a serial killer has committed there are actually a lot of telltales for sexual dissatisfaction For instance stabbing someone is the equivalent of demonstrating impotence The reason why I drew that in here is these are boys who have no way of winning the game They have no way of participating in it.  I'm taking my ball and I'm going home It's interesting you're bringing that up because one of the things apparently the suspect the shooter said was you will pay Uh, he had some sort of message of his classmates about that It's a Well, what are you saying is that you all been lying? Well, what I think he's saying I'm kind of I don't like speculating on motive But what I think he's saying is he's been told that the game functions according to a set of rules And then he observes that everyone who's successful do not play by these rules and those who are unsuccessful Play by the rules and then when the people who are unsuccessful try to play by the other set of rules They are kind of shamed and demonized Back into playing the rules.   Uh, it says that uh, at least 10 people are dead after school shooting his NFA The suspects ex-girlfriend was among the people shot Uh a day ago. So again, so uh, listen man It's so funny people outside of this community. They always want to point to everything They want to point and listen, I'm not saying that there aren't good points as to why these school shootings happen But it all i'm telling you there there are two major factors as far as i'm concerned number one We're marginalizing boys and men from birth These are these are boys that are marginalized.  Sorry. I'm I'm actually fueling up right now But I wanted to just say that you know, I I see there's a lot of controversy over jordan peterson talking about how Uh monogamy would have saved this kid and I will tell you right now The red pill would have saved this kid learning, uh, you know intersexual dynamics having a father that was You know there to teach the kid Learning more about conventional masculinity You know bringing these kids back into really an understanding of of conventional masculinity and You know taking them out of a an upbringing and an educational system that is treating them as if they are defective Girls and that's really what I was seeing last night on that on that show on the uh On the it was on fox news, you know here. We have two women trying to Diagnose this kid and they have no idea what they're talking about and so to suggest that oh well if we had just like had some sort of mandatory, uh monogamy for Uh, you know for everyone like as if we're going to force everybody to get into to You know an ideology or make decisions based on You know what jordan peterson wants.  It makes no sense to me That's not working. It's making the problem worse. They're doubling that's what and no and nobody wants to acknowledge it Like dude, listen, there's school There's probably a school shooting that's going to happen this monday And we're going to blame it on the same shit and oh by the way The fact that this guy shot his ex-girlfriend was a footnote in the article that I just pulled up So they don't want to really acknowledge. They don't want to acknowledge or give credence to the truth about what's really going on They want to blame it. Yes mental health and this and that those are all those are all factors But the bottom line is this feminism is the reason Is is is the main reason for these things happening so quick So they mentioned mental health as if it's some magic box from a wizard that they give you When essentially the mental health treatment is exactly what you're saying and what rolo and carl and anthony is saying Just harden them up toughen them up teach them how to be a normal functioning human being like that's his mental health training I don't know what people have in their ads when they picture. They don't need masculine. They need mental health Like it's the same thing. No, that's oh my god. You could not I could not have said it any better myself Dude, you listen.  Little timmy little timmy is you know seems to be an energetic boy really All right, let's put him out in the garage.  Don't tell me that you can't handle a logistics job for amazon Right That makes perfect sense.  I'm just gonna go ahead and put that hyperbole out there I don't know how you guys know anything about it.     It's everywhere.     Like for the guys tuned into what's really going on with it Yeah, she's 36. I'll just go ahead and start with that Oh, i'm sorry. She'll be 37 in august Okay, so she's at advanced maternity age and she's divorced already and you can date a porn star. I'm from mom's taken Oh, god, just oh, yeah, are you kidding me?  Nazi uniform at one of the costume parties, you know joined joins the service goes overseas You know does does does all that, you know and you look at him go for that regard He was my favorite royal, but you know you look at me up really. This is the chick you chose Yep Yeah, super good. I'm a contrarian here and I think the royal wedding is going to be fantastic for the right bill Oh, yeah, no, uh, well, okay this Hindenburg of a wedding finally catches fire and it blows up in a glorious fiery crash Everyone's going to be like how did this happen and they're going to go and they're going to search royal wedding What happened with megan and harry and they're going to land on the rational male or the red pills where they're like, well, she's 37 She's been Moral she's been hit from more angles than well, she's probably had more dick center than the urinal at shea steady Listen, what's the over under and I don't want this to go to patreon or just to get taken down But what's the over under on the notch counts here?  She's at america. She's a good looking American woman who's 36 almost 37 years old.   She's just trash It's like we're illustrating a point in typical man language. Like it's not very Is that the best he could do Listen, obviously, it's not the best. I was gonna say no, that's not the best he can do but dude Let's let's let's call this for what it is. Megan markle wins. She wins dude. She's an american girl She's almost 37 years old. She's got the notch count into the triple digits.  She has she she has achieved the feminine imperative She has reached the pinnacle of hypergamy. So dude listen, you know, megan markle won prince harry none Like she wins she wins Yeah, we're credits do I'll give her that. Yeah, right. She wins. I'm not taking it away from her Listen, if you're megan markle, what are you gonna say?   Oh, Jesus christ.  So what does queen was it at queen elizabeth? Like what does queen elizabeth think of megan markle, right?    She's you know advanced maternity age She's passed the 30 wall and 35 wall. She's had who knows how many dicks in her We're all we're all we're playing a betting game at this point And legitimately don't even might be right. It might be one of the triple digits probably no Why didn't you the cautionary tale for everybody else is watching absolute dose dependent? Yeah, absolutely. What now? Dose dependent yet. Oh, yes. Yeah marriage failure and dick with correlation It's completely dose dependent and that that's the reason why you focus in on that. Yeah I totally agree. Yeah Once he gets divorced too, doesn't it he like abdicate is uh, he's not he's no longer in the lineage there Like he's no longer in the running.  No, who was in it? Yeah, uh Yeah, that's the one. Yeah Palsy if he divorces or married. Actually, I don't know whatever. That's royal lineage. Shit We need some british guy out here to start explaining this stuff in a really beta lispy voice Well, actually anybody who comes on with a british voice. It doesn't matter what they say We're gonna believe what they say anyway, so whatever. Yeah Yeah, quite pomp and circumstance. It's all the pomp and circumstance if he gets divorced.   Yeah, totally agree because you have a convincing He didn't even sign a prenup like there's nothing like that for him, right? Oh my god.   You're telling me a former Former english paratrooper in a car rushing down there going down the the the the yeah the bridge And no one's looking and he's in the one side and he's the only one wearing a seatbelt And it just takes that to turn a certain will into a call You don't because you are here.  Yeah, she was already.  He's seeing it face face, you know first first person right there right in front of him And you know, I'm not saying he did but it just you sit down and say I if I was an investigator I would have been looking that and scouring that one. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah really looking at into this day You sit down and go it's just too clean and neat just too clean And you want to know something They had a larger separation from paparazzi. Nobody would have seen, you know, you just kind of say right under the bridge fast, you know, the whole line yards the whole line yards And you know what princess Diana? I think was closer. I'm looking this up now She was closer in where was she from like, um, I think she was well sure something like that So at least she was me. Yeah, she was born in with you know, princess Diana of wales making marco's a commoner It's like she's an outsider. She's an american. They have no problem You know, she's an american girl.  Do we know what the world thinks about americans? But she's an american girl. She's a movie star at get rid of her. She's a diamond dozen.  No, she's got them all she's got them all dude. There is no there is no question about it Any woman check this out any woman over the age of hell?  Like you're damaged good. What in the world was that? Tin foil that was a tin foil. There it is. There it is. Hey, dude black helicopters, man. Let's do it I'm all in protects your brain from you know, whatever's going on the frogs turning gay But I I agree with carlos. Um, I think that uh, I think megan marco has she has so many red flags And it seems the only the only group of people who seems to be outworked outwardly acknowledged that Acknowledging them. I can't talk is us like we're the ones to say Does anybody have a problem with the fact that a prince has married a 36 almost 37 year old who dated a porn star? Like nobody's asking those questions.  That's why he chose an american chick. He's also super Like he's got a super boy super blue pill.  I think we're always gonna rollo's been accosted by the He's been accosted by the the alabama rednecks out there I actually saw a comment around him now going. He has a pretty mouth Yeah, well, he's got seven guys. Listen. He's got seven guys surrounding him Three of them are named zed and those three guys have three teeth and two of them are in their pocket So that's where he's Um, just to go back real quick about the school shooting real quickly. Um Antonymity, I I'm not that smart here 82 says bullying in school Destroys these kids psyche as the reputation towards women plummets after being humiliated by other men I I disagree. Um, I think that um, and I don't know maybe a lot of people disagree with bullying I think that bullies are necessary bullies in life are necessary Have you noticed that ever since we've gone on the offensive with this anti bullying stuff?   Guess what?  Okay.   We don't we don't we don't put we don't put pressure on our boys. We don't squeeze them We don't we don't temper them. We don't we don't We just don't test them like we used to like I remember when I played little league baseball not everybody got a trophy the winning team got a trophy I think we talked about that earlier all we got was a fucking ice cream sandwich Maybe some orange wedges and you know, we're told to have a good season Whatever the case may be but now we're taught that everybody wins everything So when real world strife hits them when when when they're when they encounter real real world problems They have no idea how to deal with it.    Whatever we said at that age, you know, it's confusing.  We'll see what we can do. Nothing really changes. Do you kind of get in that mindset? Not just the standing up for yourself But I mean I got suspended too when I stood up for myself. So you kind of have to go against The authority I guess yeah in order to get it done too.   They just don't like violence So you gotta be violent They don't like violence but people can't even be in a bad guy Right, right And that they don't get that Bullying also has a function Because like if you look at how guys interact There's always some degree of bullying in quotations going on Like I mean I give Ryan shit about his shirt every every show we do Well, at least this one's shirt isn't as bad as the one you had on last week But it's kind of a way you tell your tribe to you know step your game up and Kids don't have exactly they're not exactly Well calibrated like flirting when you're 13 is grabbing a girl's tits or punching her So It's not exactly having behaviors dialed in so sometimes it goes a bit too far And you see that with hazings and colleges and the military as well But the whole point is to you bond through going through Something together and when someone falls behind and isn't kind of doing his end You bully him to kind of give him the hand. Hey, you're not pulling your weight catch up Okay, so now that I was going to say now that we've sort of stalled here I want to answer Carlos's question about megan markel here. He says she has more She has a lot of red flags. I'm just going to read a short snippet here And we're going to play guess the red flags Here we go It says quote she then attended northwestern university, right? No big deal. She went to college. Okay. All right, whatever Where she joined kappa kappa gamma sorority.   Yep. Like I said I think she probably did the triple digits by that time I think anything after that is just a bonus dude. Listen to this listen here here here's the capper Markle attended a private all girls catholic school. Oh my god So her and she has her brow wings.  Yep. Yes. Yes I Family too like I usually say that a red flag is if a woman doesn't have any contact and can't get along with her family What makes you think she'll get along with yours? And number two with the feet if he hasn't if he doesn't have any woman Or persons in her life that she's had a stable relationship with that.  We get these same questions and carlos hit it right on the head man If she has good relationships with her family that doesn't necessarily mean that she's going to be wife material But at least it means she might not be terrible with your family Like that's what that means Megan markle is on the outs with her family So just like carlo says what on god's green earth makes us think that she's going to get along with the royal family Who probably doesn't like her anyway Yeah, they probably Yeah, well, it's like clusterbees have this way of creating Strife and conflict in any place they enter I mean before anthony met the medusa socrates had a full head of hair for god sakes That's good at one time I did Well Looks like Megan said that becoming a mom was on her bucket list. She says she says quote I can't wait to start a family in due time. How many abortions has megan markle have how many honestly How many times has megan markle been pregnant that we don't know about no, that was just He wasn't the one there's no bigger implication than he's not the one in the morning after pill or Boom Says the same thing man a very sexist question donovan. This is very private information If she had 12 abortions, that's none of your business. No, you're you're absolutely You're absolutely right if she if listen if she had to listen listen, sweet art If whether you've had 10 abortions or 12 abortions. I still love you even though you're I think she had double digits on the abortions At least nine or 10. Is that like dude?  Oh my god.   I love these shows. This is the best parts in donovan and you know carl's rip on stuff Let's see that the thing is man is listen, I lived in vegas for eight years Dude, I've heard dude.    I mean, that's a that's a red flag right there, obviously Uh, I heard it was because her dad had cancer. So I have no idea if it's true or not Yeah, that's what I heard about I heard that it was uh, she was there was talk that she was going to have Like prince charles or somebody else walk her down because that's like was supposed to be the The formality of some sorts But she decided that she was going to walk herself at least halfway down the aisle before she met with whoever And really what they're well, what they're saying is they're saying that that's symbolic of you know her being like her own woman She's she's a strong independent woman until she meets the prince, you know Prince charming and takes her hat, you know the rest of the way to the altar I mean really think about the some symbolism in that That's and this is the thing This is why women have this false sense of strength is all of their strength is based on fucking symbolism Okay, so you walked you so you walked halfway down the aisle.   I mean, they're going to I will guarantee you that in Probably within the next week. Oh, here's a prediction. Hi in the next week. You will see at least two articles.   Listen here by the way This is this is a pro game tip. If you guys want to know it a couple days a week. I'll give it to you.  So so what kind of man are you looking for? Well, i'm looking for a man or what kind of woman are you? Well, i'm strong. I'm independent. I'm decisive Um, you know, I make decisions very quickly. I'm driven blah blah blah blah blah These are all the traits they want on a man this meg and marco wedding to to to change gears here I think that this is This is uh one uh, I think this could potentially be dangerous in a lot of ways especially to women Women the world over especially in the western hemisphere are looking at meg and marco and thinking see It is possible. Okay, and let and and the reason they think it's possible is because of things things like what I call outlier tv television and movies only You you wouldn't watch anything that was normal, right?  Megan marco got lucky Quit watching out watching outlier tv quit watching.  Oh god What's the first thing they talk about like Here's another analogy to that right there is you look at an older woman younger man A celebrity couple. Who who do you think of you think of demi mora ashton and ashton kuzer, right? Where are they now? I couldn't remember back in the day when women would tell me all the time. Well, you know, it can work and you know And you know, you can still be a cougar and live happily ever after and they were lying to themselves rollo I will guarantee you that This couple harry and the princess will be uh, we'll we'll go the way of uh demi and ashton Yes, you want to know why because and you want to know why it's exactly what trevor 07 says here in the chat.  I can do better than this. He is going to do better than this I was picturing that talk.  You gotta tell me what to do. Oh, mary. Who I want Less baggage on tinder than megan murphy Have you seen the pictures of his x like they're circulating right now?  I gotta hurt you look at you look at her and you look at megan like she was at the wedding She got an invite.  You know what?   Oh, roller. Don't tell me that man.  Please listen to this show man Brother did all right. I'd say we focus on him.  She listen She is the she is the embodiment of what a lady is supposed to be like She's it. He did it. He did it.  Oh my god Any accidents inside of uh tunnel will be fine then So just keep in mind he's been playing the game on ec mode since day one He has a sad mommy story to learn them in with He's a prince. He's wealthy.  Oh, she got a man Still never watch the wire. I gotta get around to it Some people are gonna be listening to this and go are watching this and going. Well, this sounds like uh, you know Tabloid news or something here I would like to say like what is it that you guys think that harry could have done what i mean he the guy is the poster boy for this generation of beta males I mean, this is what a beta does. This is exactly what his mindset is.  This is what the guy does And you know, of course, what what's there? What's the excuse or what's the their comeback is? Well, if they're happy Then you know, why does it bother you?  So it's not about it's not so much about uh You know Wondering what you know, you're gonna be over critical or you're gonna end up being like a tabloid news type thing You know by even saying anything about this. Well, what do you tell that guy? What do you tell the beta guy? Uh, you know How would we fix a guy like like uh like prince harry? How do you know what dexter south? How do you fix prince harry? With women with women like meg and marco. Okay, listen. We all listen. This is how we all No, this is how most men find the red pill man, dude some lessons you can be taught Okay, most lessons you got to learn Dude men only digest the red pill when they seek it out after heartbreak after frustration after dude I had my version of medusa like we all sit here. We make fun of anthony about about medusa and Listen, we've all had our medusa dude, dude I wasn't not to get into it But dude I was in a relationship with a girl who who had an ex boyfriend who was in prison Right like it was dude. It was it was absolutely crazy like we've all had these situations So how do we fix a prince harry? We don't fix prince harry Unfortunately for him. He's gonna have to learn this the hard way and lo and behold He has found the woman who is going to put him on the right now I will say this though. So I understand you're saying donovan and I agree. However Per carls work of black label logic calm I think that prince harry is playing beta game at like the highest level Kind of like trump playing the game at the highest level.  Yeah, the estate's not being taken His family's worth $88 billion or something like right and she's not gonna get it. She's not gonna get it Yeah, he's already interrupted I got a tolerant fellow just sent a tweet and attached it to us there of the prince during the wedding And it's got this like thousand-yard stare face.  Oh, is this prince harry your old dirty bastard? Yeah, probably i'm sorry. No, no that that was uh, no, i'm sorry Uh, let let let's strike the record on that that was prince harry who got busted for drugs. That's okay Here's the thing. Here's the thing man.   Oh my god, I want to have 80 your babies Yep, that's why you have uh, what what is the name of it again where women like get the hots for incarcerated murderers There's a high home. Oh hyperdasty or something like hyperdasty or something. I can't Yeah, there's an actual name There's an actual scientific name for the of the phenomenon really of women, you know falling in love with uh You know with convicted felons.  Oh, yeah You mark my words Intercepting the center in his mouth. Yeah, we thought it out.  The constant, you know, and of course the comeback to that is like, oh, it's just damaged women that do that No, it is all women that do that to varying degrees. Yes, but you'll notice that it there are no teenage fan clubs of young boys Trying to get with convicted killers, you know female killers in you know, who are incarcerated There's probably some just doesn't work that way Yeah, in case you don't believe you can always just reference the last one we did with donovan here where we talked about the Tread con red hill women I bet case anthony's got some fans, but it's probably very small. It's miniscule. She got she got married She just got married recently. Oh I'm sorry Case anthony is you know, you're never gonna have to pay child support Casey anthony married I was in I was in Orlando when that whole that whole case was going down.  Casey anthony. We could be I'm looking at the death of kaley anthony I mean, why would I don't know? Well, I mean, I'm at a loss for this. Why would any man marry casey anthony Dude red pill blue pill or blue pill or otherwise why? After og got off her burger, why did he go back and steal some baseball cards? Fuck? I don't know Yeah, okay. All right, because the thirst is real. That's why Right Well, if you want to know that thirst is really real I went and looked up John and Lorena Bob it for those of you who are not familiar with the case Too young for that She was somewhat upset that he was Less than faithful to her so she drugged him cut his penis off And if I remember correctly, she threw it out of a car window while going 40 down the highway She's in a two and a half year long term relationship Sounds like I remember that even on the view they were poking fun at the dude Yeah John Wayne Bob it didn't he do a porn movie after that to show everyone It still works That's brilliant. I love it Get into some questions I've gotten posted on the group chat, uh, the first one was a red pill question. It was very simple It's kind of very broad. I didn't want to hit it go for it The question from Ray's reborn was what would constitute value in a red pill context I'm assuming he means Are you talking about value in a woman? Like what would make a woman so valuable that men like us would want to take her off the market He didn't specify a male or female. Uh, I'm assuming a male solipsism. It's about men about us, but could be the way around I don't know I mean, I think with men I think I think male value I think it's pretty simple as long as long as you take care of yourself You don't have to be rich, but you have to be financially shrewd.  Yeah money's involved Yeah, okay, maybe he's a little bit out of shape Maybe his value is not that high But what it really comes down to is that most men are unafraid to correct bad behavior in their women If their woman if their woman gets out of pocket Like for example, if she if she embarrasses him in public most men are not going to check their women in public Most men are not going to say hey, you know cut that shit out. Um, if she if she burps If you're if you're on if you're on the uh watching the television and she burps, right?    Okay, so their wife bosses them around She constantly nags them. She doesn't cook.  That's just it and we even have stories the guys get divorced like hey It turns out i'm paying a whole bunch of child support, but my disposable net income per month has gone up So even then even with like the fear of divorce rate, they realize like you still kind of end up better So then you kind of you get yeah, you start becoming valuable and you realize you are valuable Yeah, I think that's one of the 20 year statistics that people are unaware of that for the most part Men do better After a divorce and women do worse the reason why you have child support the reason why you have alimony and all these other penalties is because If you don't transfer resources from men to women after a divorce the women Overwhelmingly end up in poverty and they even do now with child support and alimony because once that ends They're they end up o p p old porn powerless. They have absolutely To clarify you to financially better like emotionally better. That's kind of that's where we get to that zero out stuff that rollo talks about Well, I but still okay, so so we've we've answered one question as far as like what is valuable in a guy So I would say like, you know some sort of masculine dominant some sort of uh, what I would call Mental point of origin to making your oh yourself your own mental point of origin I think that is the key to male value and and always will be of the guy who is Making himself his first thought in his thought process You got to have a guy that is all about himself before he can help or before he can be You know, he can really interact with other people in any kind of effective way And I think we like again, I really think we sort of remove that from boys these Days we teach them not to we teach them to do again to defer to the feminine So what happens is when we see a guy who does exactly what you guys have just been talking about about being dominant Or cracking the whip but not actually hitting with the whip but cracking the whip when we see that That generation of guys they see that as being abusive. They see that as being uh, you know, even putting your foot Put a foot down or to to assert any kind of authority To this generation. It's like they don't they equate it with bullying. They equate it to Uh Yeah, they they don't want to be the abuser. They don't want to be that that guy, right?  I will be that motherfucker. I'll be that guy Think about it the same way they don't stand up to bullies like he's saying they don't stand up to police So now they aren't used to it when they're getting bullied and they don't know how to stand up Right.  Listen to this. Here's a shimmy. Oh, I'm sorry I'm gonna say so So we say you've established that dominance is you know, dominance or self concern self importance is one What else what else is there? I mean from that point on I mean we can talk about you gotta have your finances together Oh, yeah, you gotta have your body together. I mean, there's a lot of things that create value in men Uh, and you know, we we always come back to the really the most important one Which is which is dominance and and self, you know Making yourself your mental point of origin, but what comes after that? What else is there? Well, I think one of the more interesting things is if you look at I'm not sure if you're familiar with a diluth power wheel Yeah, it's essentially this feminist project of what actually Constitutes abuse and you know using coercion and threats using emotion Intimidation using emotional abuse using isolation minimizing denying blaming using children using economic abuse Using gender privilege and you know thing is Some of these okay fair if you tell someone either you shape up or I'm going to beat the shit out of you fair enough But a lot of this language is so vague that anything could constitute abuse For instance, if you tell your wife we're going broke And you're spending all our money on credit cards. I'm going to take your credit card away That technically counts as economic abuse. Right, right I've done that It's whatever they're using on men that they are going to accuse of man I mean, that's a power that's a power tool right there is to accuse your Accus the other accuse the opposite of what you yourself are going to do or you yourself are doing to set the precedent A lot of times girls will and I've been told this a lot especially by you know girlfriends ex-girlfriends They say oh my god, you're controlling and possessive now before I took the red pill I was like, oh, no, I'm not controlling my possessive.  Now. Maybe I Listen, right.  I'm not threatening you sweetheart I'm giving you choices. You can either stop doing what I'm telling you to do or you don't or or you can't okay But there are consequences to your actions people all the time talk. Well, I have freedom of choice Yes, you have freedom of choice, but that does not give you freedom from consequences Sweetheart, you're a grown woman and not your father. I'm not going to tell you what to do I'm not going to hold your gun.   All right. I'm gonna play I'm gonna play mig tows advocate here. There's probably a hundred mig towels right now saying you can't out alpha the law You can't out dominate the law It's still on a woman's side that even if you go and you make those ultimatums if you make those those threats that The law is still gonna back up the woman no matter what so how do you answer that?  That's the only rule you have anyway.  It'll be the end right then and there I I think bringing it back around to what we were talking about is Is not letting a woman get away with bad behavior I think or being unafraid to to check your woman And I think going back to what Ryan says you want to crack the whip But don't obviously you don't want to hit the lion with the whip because in our case the whip would actually Would absolutely hurt the lion I guess And the whip was like the female All right. Well, I guess I guess I got that completely wrong shows how smart I am The point I'm a lion I am lying every word the point the point is this is that is that In in situations of ultimatums cops won't get involved She's not thinking about calling the cops until you raise your voice That's when that that's the that's that's zero barrier when you're in an argument with a woman and you raise your voice Now she's gonna start to weaponize the law. I don't know if you guys keep up with sports or ruben foster now he's a Linebacker for the san francisco 49ers dude super talented honestly Talent wise he's probably better than ray lewis right like talent wise I don't know if you guys are football nerds, but this this kid can play His girlfriend called the cops on him on february 11th said that she she beat he beat her ass He broke her phone spit on him spit on her through their dog at him and dude He was arrested and everybody was like, oh you got to cut him He got to trade him his career is done Dude, she was on the stand just this last weekend said she lied about the whole thing because she wanted to end him Okay, so I understand I understand a lot of men I guess quote being afraid of women because all the woman has to do is call the cops Especially if you're a man of memes or in the nfl or a professional athlete You're guilty.  She has to respect that I am a voice raiser i'm that that's probably a week Anthony says I believe that Standard mantra here guys for this issue And now it's in there's like a this is a common saying that everyone knows an ounce of prevention is worth a pound to cure So like I did my own personal life with what ended up being a super crazy chick Uh, you know, I avoided getting the government involved in my life on purpose So rather than skirting them after they get involved I avoided getting the government involved in the first place To the extent that could by looking at the laws looking at the system in place So I think every guy should do that. I've advocated that repeatedly They should absolutely avoid legal marriage at this point I have no idea why you would do it other than possibly importing a chick from a country for citizenship purposes To then you know be your wife or whatever other than that I have no idea what you'd ever get married to an american woman at this point like zero It does nothing for your life. It brings a lot of risks and zero benefits and zero authority As role on all of you guys have discussed So keep the government out of your life from the first place is that way you don't have to deal with them At least that you can I've got this one. I just really quick I think it's something that guys need to keep in mind when we're talking about stuff like this Or they're talking, you know, they're deciding as to whether they want to get married Or they don't want to get married or even get into a long-term relationship for that matter Uh, it's important to keep in the back of your mind that although Not every woman would Any woman can and if you keep that in the back of your mind You sort of have like when I was when I wrote the that post called the pet It's like a reminder really to say look once you once you treat her like a pet once you have her and you're you know, you're You consider her a domesticated animal You tend to forget that she can go feral and so remember that It's not that every woman would it's that any woman can and so keep that in the back of your heads Yeah, hell, yeah, excellent. There's there's a comment in here that came from a uh, a super chatter Albert charlo, uh, he says And thought and listen to this this is this is this is actually quite interesting He wants to know what our thoughts are on marriage contracts slash prenups that need to be renewed every five years Dude, check this out My listen my girlfriend and I actually were thinking we just we were just sort of spitballing this like What if marriage and this was a hypothetical there's so many holes and problems with it But what if marriage were had to be a renewable contract? What if you had to renew a marriage every six months or or every year?  Would that motivate people to stay married? Would it motivate? I thought it was an interesting I thought it was an interesting uh discussion that we had and so what are your thoughts on On marriage contracts and prenups that have to be renewed every five years in order to save marriage Say again Well the guy like the guys obviously they're all getting fucked over right so he's passing the buck Although the piece of paper I got here says it so you gotta love me.  They're regularly thrown out dude. They're thrown out by probing judges If you really want to play that game If you've ever seen that um that documentary called divorce corp There's a section in that documentary that covers prenups If you watch that section about prenups you will find that they are absolutely worthless And that's whenever I hear some guy go well, what if you got a prenup? Then could you get like they're asking me to get permission to go get married like well, what if I did? Dude go watch that that whole documentary and then come back to me and say yeah, I really want to get married Uh, but yeah, prenups are are worthless I see why the guys want to want to protect themselves But I think you have to also look at the what's the concept behind the prenup Just like you're saying do you want to have some sort of like renewable contract?  You're going to you know dissolve the company basically From a from a governmental perspective Um, that might even make sense, but I think about you got to think about what what are the What are the stipulations of the marriage that you don't cheat that you don't you know? Yeah Is that it's not necessarily what the penalties and the split are it defines what the Prications and responsibilities are and have that conversation and never sign the goddamn document You've done more better than if you just sat down and signed up goddamn prenup that says division Of material ever put back to the question Honestly, if if you sit down and say you want to have a reoccurring five year three year whatever You know membership plan for marriage you expect fully to be treated like your cell phone plan You know where she's shopping around you know before the before the halfway point and looking at you as a Disposable item.  I've been a you know for a while now strong supporter of private marriage or specifically even privatizing marriage entirely Like senator ramp hall is advocated in a few others meaning the total removal of government from marriage in the united states What's interesting though is if you did that and you still have the government involved in terms of contract Engage or enforcement just simple, you know have an attorney write up a contract in your state and get it You know look it over and sign it If you did that now based on how marriage is set up the terms would be insane Like no one would fucking sign the document.  Why does that have anything to do with you?  You know, why can't they be happy kind of thing trying to make it about like, you know You're personally attacking them, but really it's not gay marriage It's same sex marriage And that's the only way that the the government really looks at it So for instance, I'm a heterosexual man and ryan is a heterosexual man and I could go.   It's same sex marriage.   I don't joke or not But if mine doesn't work out, dude, I'm available. Well, and that's the thing is like your own man What are the what are the stip? Well, think about it.  Is it Is it fidelity?   I mean that's the way we've been doing marriage for forever for a very long time And I'll answer your question and why why not, you know, listen, I'll answer your question It's always girls who ask well, why not get married if you're gonna be together. Why not?  Why would you do that in the first place? Like don't give her the Yeah, yeah girls we're talking about that just ask them what the benefit is for you like Tell them like what's in it for me and you listen to the explanation and I guarantee you I've done this a couple dozen times All you hear is her Benefits reflected back at you And it's really if you can find a girl that can make the case that it agrees with you then go for it I've just not heard is why not says why do quote red pill women get pissed when you tell them Why guys don't want to sign the marriage contract. That's exactly what I said They're trying to be listen to give them that loaded gun Ah get out of here with that. Oh my god. Are you not mad enough or do you not trust me?   I like that because I gotta go into business with her You got the pressure on the relationship why I want you to commit and like well, what are you bringing my business? You both have to have a vested interest in the success of the relationship and or business. It can't be I'm not afraid of hiring.  What are you bringing to my life? That's going to make my life a better business Yeah, it's your inner Richard Cooper. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and if she can't answer that question straight up You've got a week's time out to figure it out Well, here's my problem with technology from Socrates and that is a business contract is a hell of a lot better than a marriage contract Yes, but let's say for the sake of argument that I I enter into a business with Socrates and part of that contract is that He needs to build a house or you know, lead in the construction of some kind of piece of property And he doesn't do that. I can then sue him for breach of contract And he'll have to pay me whatever the court decides.  Exactly 15 minutes. I'd say 15. I mean 30 seconds tops straight up That's kind of my experience America. Well america they say that it's you know, it's it's a contract But it's not it's a marriage license Basically, what is it? It's a piece of there you go paper that doesn't actually give you any of the protections or capabilities to sue the other party for breach of contract or Give any terms for what has to be fulfilled as part of the contract plus If Probably the only one hero Well, he came up with a business analogy. Let's say if We went into business here and we have a joint venture together, which is more or less what the relationship is and I argue that in genderomics then He keeps what his assets are and I keep what's mine And the only thing on the line is what we have mutually invested in the business in a marriage That's what a prenup is supposed to do But then you have this little thing called the co-mingling of assets Which is that once your money is used on her property her money on yours The assets are considered to be co-mingled, which means they're up for grabs so and third there's the state issue because you have jurisdiction you have 50 Jurisdictions that all treat loss slightly differently Right and what are you going to do about that because if you're in california, you're in a joint property state So there the bitch gets happy you can get alimony for life That's not the case in a couple other states So it's actually better for some guys to actually go to mexico and get divorced and then Have that divorce approved back in the u.s Because mexican divorce laws are funnily enough less of an ass rape than american divorce laws listen Just to put a bow on what socrates said to me getting married is like going into business with someone Who invests nothing into the business but still gets half the profits whether or not the business succeeds or fails This is why so basically women look at husbands. They would they look at potential husbands like oh look There's a business that I can make money off of like an owner and I don't have to invest anything And if the business fails, I still get paid. Where do I sign?   He says what about He says what about places like where ryan stone lives and he got married because of a certain amount of years Do you have to move out for a year so every so often? How does that work, right? I think it's called common law marriage or something. Yeah common law marriage It's if you co-habitate for longer than two years the and this is why marriage isn't really a contract It's just like you're given the legal status of married So as far as if you want to skirt around it, you just got a I guess you'd have to Not live together or make sure you don't live together for two straight years Read the rules I know to be honest my betting method was more so just if she never had any red flag Just keep sticking around and she just never had them. So that kind of worked out for me She had a red flag. It would have probably been before the two-year market had been gone anyway. So Brian do you want to hit that question before you go? I have to go. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah So we're gonna jet in a bit, but don is I would blum asked me to ask you rollo What you teach your daughter in relation to men and the red pill. Yes, sir You can read while driving I'll consider it Well, I would I would love to tell you right now, but I'm in the middle of a rainstorm here So I think I'm probably gonna jet right now, but uh, we'll pick up on this later Okay Yeah, we can barely you're able to hear the rain All right, but I gotta I gotta take off too. It's getting late over here So thank you guys for having me and enjoy the rest of the cast. Okay, Brian. Thanks for happening I think rollo's may be still in maybe not Uh, it looks like his his window is frozen. So he's probably gonna drop. Yeah, if you didn't cut out yet Yeah, we got a few more questions. Actually, we should go over I think let's do it. Let's do it into it So this would be open anyone. Uh, part of it's directed to me though So henry frenchway has been bitching about the ticket price here for a good half hour on and off different questions I might I might be over characterizing that but that's how I'm interpreting it slightly So he asked, uh, why do you charge a thousand bucks for a 21 convention? How many guys will pay that? Actually, it's much more than that. It's a lot more than that. That's right It's 1799 this year That's a slight price bump from the former price from 2014 to 2016 or 17 of 14 99 So this year the full price is 17 99 1800 bucks But the early bird is a thousand bucks. Which is what he's pointing to The average price will actually be above that. It'll probably be this year if I'd estimate, um, maybe $1,300 or something like that somewhere between a thousand and 1800 the final price And you know at the end of the year we'll figure out, you know what the average price is Last year at the 2017 convention including the speakers and everyone we had over 120 people About a hundred of those were like paid attendees regular And this year it looks like we'll have even more The current speaking lineup and sales which are stronger than ever even even just putting them out recently this month I think we're gonna have at least 150 175 and maybe up to 200 or more Depending on who signs on you know speakers and stuff like that This far though the lineup is like you guys are talking about it's fucking epic And it's still even more in the way such as a hypnotica coming back and robert glover The author of no more mr. Nice guy One of the most recommended books in the red pill So I don't know if you went ahead on that too donovan just people being you know, bitching about price Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's funny. Um Like listen man, like I understand I certainly understand the concern But I think the reason why the price there are several reasons and please correct me if i'm wrong here Anthony but reason number one as far as i'm concerned is to keep out is to keep the trolls out Right if we made this thing free to the public then anybody could just walk in and troll us and then and Listen potential. There could be some potential You know security security issues, etc, etc That's right Even if we set the price at 50 bucks right 100 bucks 200 bucks There are a lot of people out there that would pay 200 bucks to come in and blow up this this particular This particular event by setting the price where it is That that keeps out the trolls and that lets that lets us know that these men are serious about being here You're not going to pay this amount of money if you don't value the information that we have That's the first reason the second reason is is the fucking lineup Dude, this this is literally the red pill all-star game You're never going to find you're never going to find This amount of red pill aware men at the top at the top of their chosen profession In one place at one time and it's just like sharp as this said Listen, what would you pay to improve your life? Like a lot and a lot of guys say hey if I knew then what I know now Listen, we can't turn back the clock, but this is what you should have known then How much honestly how much would you pay to finally just wake up? How much would you pay to improve your life? I don't think you can put a price on that So yeah, listen, it's a thousand dollars a lot of money. You're goddamn right. It is but as far as I'm concerned It better be worth it if you're gonna pay it Yeah Yeah, we've never had a I mean the number of people I don't even think it would fit them It's less than one hand People pitching about the price after they attend it doesn't happen In fact, people pay a thousand dollars or more to attend and they come back and they buy another ticket They even buy before they leave. Yeah. Well, that's and I'm not said listen I'm not I'm not sitting here saying that you shouldn't scoff at the price because a thousand dollars Dude, I don't care if you're a millionaire a thousand dollars is a lot of money It is but there's it there you go It's an investment and that's why the price is where it's at It has to be this way for a number of reasons the first of which like I said is the Is to keep out the trolls but the second but the second thing is is the information that you're gonna get It's gonna be four days on well. I think a little over 21 hours of live of life This is in person get them meet us in person Then there's the hero's dinner then we get to go and wreck Socrates's house later on at the after party I mean, it's all inclusive. So donovan it is all inclusive And I'm think I actually thank you for bringing that up because the ticket comes with basically everything you can get almost Yep But this will be your first year attending donovan and you're gonna find out firsthand that it's the information is actually It's important.  It's Socrates. I'll tell you another story the very first time I mentioned Eliminable man's one of his articles dark triad in one of my In one of my return to kings posts and he sent me a message on twitter He was like, hey, notice you link my website.    You cannot put a price on that You can't do it very very safe space for men very safe space like very fake news very safe space. Yes Oh We got a we got a we got a woman alert in here. It's Holly. Oh, I'll take care of it. Go ahead. Go ahead. You can Yeah, man, brother A few other questions someone asked me if we have armed armed guards. We do Um, I carry gun myself. Some of the speakers do as well in attendees I encourage everyone carry firearm at the events you can awfully carry Uh, you are more than welcome to do that. I encourage you to do it I would actually request that you do it if uh, you have the ability to do that with with ccw Because it opens permit Let me hire armed guards as well class g in the state of florida. So we have that one top of that We're gonna get even more this year because I think we're gonna have more attendees Uh, so we take privacy and security of the event really seriously up to the point of armed guards Um as of yet that has never been an issue and we never had a serious issue at the event But I I want to keep doing that and hope that we never need them And but if we do that's how we have them hope for the best plan for the worst there you go That's exactly right. Yep I'm actually going to get probably body armor this year too for the speakers if you guys want to wear it, it'll be optional Yeah, I love it $100 probably or a thousand dollar price tag, you know, and in real real honesty It is a significant amount of money I mean it really is and particularly for the guys who are actually, you know, dishing it out You know as an architect and I'm making a little bit more And consequently that has a different value system to me, but it's still a thousand dollars But the thing is is that what I like about it as a speaker is is a couple couple things one We know it is is a barrier to entry. We also know that we also know very factually That the people who purchase a ticket and spend a thousand dollars up front Early in many cases not knowing where the event's going to be at or precisely the day in advance They cry once and how many things have you spent a thousand dollars on that? You can probably guarantee that you'll only cry once at the point of sale in which you've actually made the transaction And that's for people who have never come and have no exposure to it I've never seen a returning attendee ever mention price the second time around They know the value they understand it that the convention and the speeches, you know, which you could watch for free in youtube Okay, is a delivery system for bringing them and the speakers together and having that interaction I believe it in so much that I actually invite everybody over to my house to sit down and say This is how I live.  Can I return that gesture in kind and meet you in kind peer-to-peer? And there's no better way than to say this is my house and home You know and and please come let's sit and talk have conversations and make it an event It's not just going down and saying you're spending 50 bucks per speaker or or how does that translate to a community college? The clarifying you Relationships of mine you invite not only the speakers and the staff and the volunteers to your house But all the attendees as well. Absolutely. Yeah the attendees That's gonna be cool. No, no, no, there were 65 people at one point in the house at one time And that wasn't the max that was like 65 in the house at one time when we did a body count Just to say how many people are actually physically in the house socrates with the humble brag there says yes There were 65 people Listen socrates lives in a mansion. It's palatial. We got it The house was designed for this sort of entertaining not not to that magnitude and to be quite honest I was really kind of nervous about it One you're inviting all these people in to the can you accommodate everybody and I just said if we can't get them in the house We'll have them out in the hallways We'll have them out in the you know the the yard the driveway backyard everything else in many cases There were a little enclaves of conversations throughout the evening that that absolutely did occur So but yeah, it was it was fantastic It was uh really to the point that my partner actually who was really really nervous about it Is actually looking forward to hosting at the end this year. Oh good. Good. I mean like I said I'm looking forward like I said to to to meet in the guys and and the thing is is I think what a lot of What a lot of guys that read us and watch us and this and that and the other I think and it's not like this is in a literal sense But I think that they they probably never think that we continue to educate ourselves guys I still read returning kings. I write for returning kings. I still read it every day. I still read a limitable man I still read the rational mail. I still watch like I listen even though I'm a red pill guy and all this stuff that guys it is a constant learning process So so when I'm not speaking like after I'm done. I'm not just gonna I'm not just gonna goof off I'm gonna sit on and watch what these guys have to say because I might learn something too It is an educational experience for all that's what 90 percent of speakers do too Like rola did that really consisting the last year rola was a lot rimes are like a lot and by a lot I mean they saw you know 80 to 90 percent of the talks Because they're in the audience like everyone else they're taking notes, you know, rola's Absolutely, John Navarro. I'm jack Donovan So people you know that he looks up to in a sense, but also his peers like you You know they'll take notes from you and ryan other guys We got a question here from we got a question from miami j So we talked about arm guards. Are we getting strippers? He asked and I listen I would suggest that we make the strippers the arm guards. How about that? Not a bad idea Still carrying the bra Oh my god. Yeah, as if yet.  Do they hit downtown? Let me say this let me say this I like to separate my personal life and my professional life And I've had enough in my personal life where I don't need any more in the professional life We'll keep them in the personal life in the bedroom where they belong so I would just make the argument that a thousand dollars is a lot cheaper than alimony child support than a divorce Oh Bingo, there it is There it is I should mention I should mention two actually so not only that argument what carl just mentioned But also it's not a thousand dollars.   Let me buy you.  That's right And you bring a son or multiple sons you can get uh your son's ticket within 30 days for half of your price So if you bought the early bird now your price is a 999 so your son gets in for half that 500 bucks You just have to buy it within 30 days and we have to have tickets left Which at this point we do later on we might not so you got to be on it 100% I support fathers and sons Socrates will bring some self Uh, you know, we'll see who else does but occasionally we have attendees do that They bring their sons and we've had that, you know in the past here and there at the events Like I think we had one last year We had one in Australia as well and I think we know none the time too But I want a lot more of that and on twitter I've been talking to a lot of fathers like that or I think we're gonna do that this year In fact, excuse me. We already have a ticket sold like that When I set the rule up a couple months ago I did it because the father bought a ticket and he's like And I'm like, right You think of it like this you think of it like this guys, okay a thousand dollars That's a lot of money. There's no getting around that But how much would you pay to bring your 13 14 15 year old son to the 21 convention? How much would you pay to spare him the turmoil and the heartache and the pain that you had to suffer That brought you to the 21 convention Yep Someone asked about nephews. Um, I'm not opposed to it. I haven't given it too much thought But if you email me, I can talk to you about it. All right, this is people abusing the system Bringing, you know, just some random 19 year old who hit them up on twitter or something. Yeah, like me bringing in some white guy. Yeah, this is my, uh Yeah, like that's really right That kind of shit comes on my mother's father's But I'm not opposed to it like I want as many young guys as we can We have a specific event for that the under 21 convention. We're not doing it this year Oh, okay But as as a father being able to bring a son to an event Have a conversation or a dialogue based on what's going on around you Rather than you trying to be the authority given giving the talk is amazing I know when I brought the boys in it wasn't so much me presenting a matter of fact I don't I don't think they even saw my presentation But they saw everybody else's and it started a dialogue and it was really interesting seeing them actually apply that in their own lives And then supporting them and doing stuff. Yeah, and that that was fascinating. That was really fascinating Cool I think that's uh, most of the questions here in the chat. We had unless I missed any No, I'm not stealing ours Uh, per speaker. It's about an hour. So anywhere from 20 to 25 at the event Yep But like I've talked about the speeches the speeches are what you guys watch on youtube So those are important to you and I think a lot of people who buy tickets for the first time are like, okay I want to see these speeches live and see the speakers live That's cool. But in the end you're not even gonna care What you're going to care about is shaking hands with sock or ryan stone or donovan a roll of tamasi And you buy them a beer you buy them coffee or you talk to them for five minutes in the hallway or 10 minutes And you ask them questions face-to-face, which is way different than even youtube where this is really cool These are live questions, but they're not face-to-face. And when you have face-to-face interactions with these guys, there's a difference, man Yeah, it's life changing. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, like I I don't do this professional And that's probably going to change when when I release my book But you know up until this point anytime I had somebody at the 21 convention want to sit talk Engage each other. I did so never charged never did any that And and I was proud of that from the standpoint that these are guys who are committing very much like I did 10 years ago or even beyond and being able to provide back to a greater community of men And so anytime I have this it's really is an interaction It's not like any other symposium in which you have people come up They present they leave you never see them or they arrive in the back door and they do their shtick and they leave This isn't like a concert. This isn't like a presentation where you just witness the person talking which is cool But it's not the same when all of a sudden they come off the stage and sit right next to you Or there are amongst others and in taking and fielding questions having meals Discussing and having access to the speakers over several days And it's really really an amazing time period. Honestly, uh, most guys don't even want to leave At the end of the event guys are like almost in tears.  I've given a small talk on hey, here's here's what you need to do Definitely get together. They have facebook groups, you know And and they start their own masterminds. They need to do that But I think to have something where you actually transfer it into another realm where it's a dedicated element I would love the idea of go to one go to the first convention Do that spend a year transforming your life, you know In an organized manner with other people while doing so and then come to the second Actually book in a year's worth of experience and that is a level of commitment I think it would be really fascinating to observe film and showcase of you know the interviews at the initially Where you at? Who are you? What are you doing? What are you expecting in a year later saying what has been that process and journey like for you? Where are you at now? What's going on? And I think it would be you know Just an amazing kind of discovery of people who are actually doing that and committing to that sort of year long change To to to implement in their life And I think it takes a year to really work at something before you really see significant change Yeah, rather than backslide like Carlos talked about which happens a lot We certainly don't want to do that and I'll and I'll tell you this too Is not only do you pay not only do you pay to come to the 21 convention? The knowledge just doesn't stop after four days you can use that for the rest of your life So now now you have points of reference, you know what books to read what websites to go to now You've you've you've mingled with other men there you exchange phone numbers text messages Maybe men maybe men at the 21 convention. Hey, wait a minute. I live in xyz town, too Let's get a few guys together and meet up every Tuesday night. Like that's the kind of stuff that this that's the kind of stuff That's the kind of impact that it can have on your life. Oh, yeah, I've actually met a couple guys at the event the loss of virginity Uh one I remember one and we're in 2010 or 2011 I was like the first guy at the conference room like I am you know every day You know being at the event and it was like 6 30 in the morning that he like runs up to me in the hallway He's like dream dream and I'm like I have the coffee.    Okay. All right. All right. You're good.  Listen losing your virginity. That's the easy part, man Oh my god, if only he knew Big hurdle though, but I mean he was in his early 20s. He's probably like 21 22.  Right turn them right around and you're like, let's go back Right at it again. Yep. Oh, he definitely went on again. Yeah. I don't know what happened I just got an interesting comment here. Dennis Hagblum hog blum says I want a 21 convention here in sweden Every once in a while, I'll see in my chat. Hey is the 21 convention always going to be in orlando? Is it going to change locations? Anthony, you're the guy in charge of that. What are your thoughts on, you know, different, you know locations and venues We already did a convention in sweden Oh solid, okay. Been there done that motherfucker. Yep We did Europe actually the first international one. Okay. Uh, I come back there anytime soon. I'm pretty sure It's just a whole Different Yeah, what? Yeah, it's what dude trevor just said it sweden the most feminist country in the world Yeah, like we never do one in britain australia Yeah, oh, yeah, we did australia to australia. Yeah, we did one in london. I've been london We didn't live in london twice sweden once australia once texas once in florida We've done like, you know, eight eight times or something like that nine times Listen, we got to keep it in the sunny weather. Um, keep it in the sunny weather who listen If you want to really if you want to really get fun with it, maybe you do 21 convention in vegas I'm just saying I'm just uh, I was thinking about it for in 2019 But I'll probably end up moving it somewhere else in america. Uh doing like a one-year thing like that Uh, vegas, um, not too much trouble man. Way too much way too much. I'm thinking denver or uh, salt lake city Yeah, there we go. Yeah, something over there or in that area Yeah, and the sweden australia would be impossible to do again. Uh, I really don't think I'd be allowed in the country I wanted to do sydney australia because we did melbourne australia Last time of the year in 2012. Hey, check this out. How about lake tahoe?  That'd be it's right in rollo's backyard, man Yeah, as long as I can carry a gun then we can go So, uh, yeah nevada. Yeah, that's either whatever side you're on california, nevada do it on the nevada side Exactly race reborn says i'm not getting shot in vegas. Yeah you and everybody else yeah cool Uh, so anyway guys if you need tickets, I think all you know Most of you are gonna need tickets given those couple hundred of you watching Uh tickets are out in the 21 convention dot org. That's the 21 convention dot org Link is in the video description. It should be the top link in the video or underneath this video You can take us there. They are currently on sale and they will be on sale until they sell out over the summer However, they're on early bird sale until may 31st at midnight and that's what that way they're 800 bucks off So 999 well days, man.  Listen check this out This is this is this is game gold right here, right?  I got faked to be broad all over the place And so the girl calls you up. You guys are texting back and forth. Why have you been banned in poland and sweden in australia?  Uh long story.  I'm like, well, I mostly I teach millions of men how to manipulate women into bed And that was the theme and this totally worked out. Um, so it's fantastic.  Yeah, like right. I'm not even allowed in mexico. Oh my god. Why long story I get banned from tender as well, of course Then bumble bumble actually banned me on twitter. I get banned from bumble They tracked me down. They tracked. I was surprised. I was impressed.  They said, oh, he's got to go Well, I'm like dotted been sharp except on bumble and tender. I just get banned from all these platforms There you go. There it is. There it is Hey, listen, all they're doing is putting money in my pocket, man Like the more places I get banned the more scarce my content becomes supply and demand bitches Yep, uh for you guys internationally like I do have future events in mind in eastern europe So poland romania places like that Western europe's probably not going to happen.  So I can't risk that And that's why we that's what we're not going to do in there again But in the future, I think uh, poland or romania or some you know, some country like that We'll probably work out and that'll be 2019 2020. I hear me. All it is really cheap right now Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll just buy some buy up there and see what's going on a couple acres. Oh my god back 40 nope Uh, with that said, uh, we're probably sort of wrapping up. It's been about two hours now Apparently I'm supposed to shave my head according to danie here in the live stream Hell, no, my head's awesome.  I got more hair on my face than anywhere else in my body women love it With that said someone asked about an asian country like singapore Maybe I've given a little bit of thought to asian countries, but uh, particularly japan Uh, personal favorite, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.  They won't let you went through a huge pain apparently You do advertise your coccyx when we go out. Oh, yeah Yeah, I'll be about my nine inches. Yeah Eight All right, I'm gonna wrap up guys, uh, any last words for a closeout I appreciate everybody watching All right, man. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Um, like I said, you guys can't find my content anywhere else But donovan sharp.com. That's where my live stream is. That's where my live stream is That's where all of my all of my content all of it is on donovan sharp.com I mean if I come on here with with, uh, you know, the red man group or, you know Sometimes I'm actually doing a patreon show with richard cooper Later on this week, but yeah, donovan sharp.com is the only platform where you can get my content. So So, uh, so yeah, be sure to visit man Yeah, everyone visit a site. Check it out. Subscribe on patreon to him. You have a patreon as well donovan You'll find links to both his website and patreon, uh account in the description of this video just right underneath it Click show more it'll pull it down Same for rollo ryan and carl. You'll find the relevant websites twitter handles stuff like that carl, you still there Yes, i am. I just thought you guys were doing such an awesome sales pitch. I figured i'll just step back and I resist the urge to make any sarcastic remarks Those are the best parts though. That's like one of my favorite parts of the show man Absolutely like the over-under on megan markel's uh notch count. Yeah Yeah, i'm still waiting on the sex tape account though because that one's going to be interesting I mean the only thing I have some Questions for the bookies that are doing like the over-under on that sex tape Can we get on some like it's only with one other person? It's with two other people There we go. There we go I have a feeling there's going to be more pipe and that Well, the girl has had more pipe has been on more pipe than npt threatening Well if passes Diana had two before she ran into a wall Yeah, well, yeah, well again listen you listen The princess died I'd like to see the over-under on that. We know the baselines too. Are they getting more or less strict on this youtube button? Oh my god Totally legit totally official youtube partner 100% legit All right, we're gonna roll out guys. I'll leave it private. We could stay on we're gonna end the live stream Thank you guys for watching another episode of the red man group episode 13 Tune in next week. It should be on richard kruper's channel at entrepreneurs and cars Just go to youtube.com type entrepreneurs and cars Probably at about 12 1 p.m. Eastern on his channel Uh, I appreciate you guys watching appreciate carl joining in live donovan live and of course sock much appreciated first time Yeah, good to meet you suck. Yeah likewise. Like I'm looking forward to see you at the convention. See you down in florida brother


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