Um, so now someone said something in chat, which means this must be working. Oh, I hope so This is way of a broadcast to be published. How the hell could it be not published while someone's still talking The first two times I just said no for the third time it just works why well, they just really wanted to make sure that you were sure Not annoyed at all You wanted to be certain that this is something you actually wanted to do they didn't want you to jump into anything, you know prematurely All right. Well, that's asking for your consent smaller, but it didn't it just said no Well, it wasn't giving you it's it's finally decided to give you its consent What's it trying to teach me here that if ever anyone says no, I just have to keep asking That's terrible The answer you want to hear After that presumably become violent.  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Okay There's literally nothing that can go wrong with any of the pieces of design about the human body I like that if evolution was a person you'd be like you did okay, but you did you know, yeah It works it works, but he's like look at all the other stuff. You guys are lucky. You're like, well can't fly but okay And then he probably argue that we can fly with technology and then we're just splitting hairs So yes, it is live now the thumbnail is correct. There's only one stream everything is Operating as intended and as far as I'm aware my internet should survive That's not even on guarantee. So let's just hope we can sail all the way to 11 hours and 55 minutes on this wonderful Christmas themed EFAP, which I don't even think we've managed to get one of them yet ranks Like one not one We got we need to do another one like suit after this that we've got the riser Skywalker one It'll be fine rise a Skywalker one our lives will be changed. Oh, yes They will it will consume us you a cure every waking hour The excitement is through said roof You guys can watch it so I don't have to oh no be the nostalgia critic We watched it so you don't have to I remember it so you don't have to you ever read like into the whole The controversy behind all the stuff that have my channel awesome Apparently like when they were filming this shit for different roles He would like tell people they need to act more like cartoon characters to be entertaining to appeal to people They need to be like bouncy and high-pitched and stuff.  In fact, there's more now than there ever was with the crazy new like he's hired a whole cast and If the warehouse and I don't know manage committing to those skits They're not good like red light of media when setting up reviewing some crappy film will have skits They're like 10 times better I'm just thinking about anything with rich evidence Someone the chat said I saw the last Jedi again. It didn't improve for the second viewing The third one you won't even be bored That wasn't even covered on eFab that video, right? We never actually did it the I hit everything would but that beam spread over Was a really stupid quote It's well, it doesn't tell you anything Okay, I wonder if people are consistently bored with like the room. Does that mean it's good? How can you be bored by the room? That's what that's my point if you're not bored by the third watching in the room That means it's good. It's the best thing of them all Thumbnail is wrong if you are watching the room alone Thumbnail is not wrong. I am outraged At least this is not for me Which is all the way wrong that I don't want to be right. I can check from an unbiased source. Yes, the thumbnail is correct Refreshing is a bound. All right. We've got what you would call a long-show plan for today So I would say that we're probably just gonna get get right into it get get the old The wheels turning as they say We're gonna start with a look into a video that Fucking everybody's been telling me about And I'm not even talking about that stream that me and rags did with loads of superchats are talking about this video No more like Twitter and stuff this some I've had people say this has changed their mind on TLJ This is this guy. They're going from thing. It's a bad movie to think in this this movie's not so bad Actually with this video. It's a it's relatively new. It's what you could call a hot take I suppose to try and explore the positives of TLJ. That's what I've heard. So you guys excited I'm really excited for another one of these No, no, no guys, it's a TLJ is actually really good.  Can you say no?  No, that's that's They're trying to prevent us from seeing whatever this video is the Jack's personally not as nice as a Funny pandas epic laughs Well, hard to beat in it. We're being completely honest Let's see for gentlemen of the year. That's another classic. Oh, let's get this is it up for both of you Yeah, but it's at 31 minutes Yeah, it does have a lot of videos like skipping them around Is a few ranks that zero It is at zero correct How I think we should we should mention that was the shortest intro we've ever had on the No time for an intro Busy we've only got 12 hours. How are we supposed to pack this it is impossible? Oh My goodness. All right, I'm excited you guys are let's do this Welcome to a ff 40 60 64. That's the one. I nailed it Okay, whoo-hoo. Oh my god copyrighted music probably Is that like public domain? Well, I don't know it might be old enough to be public domain at this point Wait, how does that work with like copyrightism is on YouTube? Is it like in a hundred years from now? They're all gonna have to expire and then videos can be free. We can finally get the two towers video out. Well And doom maybe Yeah, do do's actually do it. I should I should measure that the two towers is actually the worst now I go ahead to re-read to it again yesterday. Oh, let me check where doom is that because I think it's over a week now You do it but it has a two-week part what all right, December 3rd, it's been nine days Did you ever send me another two towers? Oh, you know what?  Um, there's a lot of takes on TLJ coming out now rather than Like like sudden I think I think that TLJ is getting ramped up big time because Rise of Skywalk is about to come out and Once we see that film. It's gonna tell us a lot Additionally about TLJ in terms of like what's stayed what's not what's what we can conclude on I think a lot of people like preemptively being like TLJ was good though.   It's like, yeah, it looks like it hurts a little that sums up this character. It's well It's really hard to explain that one to her To the people outside of each other. It's like what's what's for the does it here? You're like, well Bear with me well Think of a toilet think Ray is on the to you know, it's no point explaining You're probably not into it anyway, even if you did get it We'll be in rags around the high council recently and Jeff was telling us that everyone's in a while They'll just be an in pouring of a new meme that none of the hosts have any idea about like Jeb was one of them They were just talking about Jeb on their show and they were just confused Apparently like EFAP memes are infectious to that degree with a whole cast of people just like I don't get it I Think every podcast for now on needs like a representative of EFAP law to be there to help everyone out We need to have archivists and librarians Great the ones the great holders of the tomes Yeah, I don't know TLJ being a divisive film I find that there's defenses and attacks of TLJ in all kinds of places all over play I don't feel like there's more of one or the other Though I suppose the tide is turning to a degree like I still get added into tweets the people who are like, you know Finally people who hate the last Jedi are starting to like calm down whatever and I'll be like, oh I didn't know that was the case. We can't have that happening. We need to rile them back up I've got a rile. It's bit those wheels everybody stoke the flames again I think a lot of I think a lot of people have just like accepted that it's terrible And they just want to move on and they don't care anymore unless you're on Twitter in which case There's a disturbing amount of people that still think it's good. Yeah Caring can't end right now because of rides of Skywalker. I think Like everyone's kind of interested in say like how long do they think it'll be of us talking about Rides of sky woke up before everyone just goes that TLJ though Hey, there's a new film. It's like no talking about the other one The prequels had a notoriously bad reception But this almost seems worse or at least more confusing because this time critics mostly loved the movie. Did he blur out its ass? Oh, I don't know why am I on zero now? It's zero for my time. I'm on 41 seconds. I'm at 39 It's back. Oh my god. We're we're all No, I'm on So we'll throw that around again, but why does this say? Uh actual critics not trash youtubers like me like the film what Why would you say that? By actual critics does he mean people on rotten tomatoes? I wait, is it playing for you? No, no, I'm paused because is that 41 for me? Let me let me play it quickly and with a Let me roll it back so you can see This almost seems worse or at least more confusing.  I was gonna say does anyone put stock in the rotten tomatoes critics? They're terrible Yeah, because if anything it's almost like something you don't want to say like what are you? I'm uh I'm a rotten tomatoes critic They're like, okay all right sure Okay, then it's like being a check mark on twitter The other thing that kind of ruins this is that uh, didn't jeremy johns become a rotten tomahawk's critic without even Being aware of it like apparently He's like on there and let's just say he has a video where he says this movie's pretty good It'll be he certifies it fresh on ron tomahawk's and he'll be like what? Oh Okay, so what i'm getting at is that he's like a youtube vlogger Who is now an actual critic? Assuming you're an actual critic if you're on rotten tomatoes pretty sure grace randolph is the same and this is the thing um You know if you if us three were offered like do you guys want to be officialized as a rotten tomahawk's critic?  It's awful. You'll be like oh It's embarrassing. It's like you've got to provide a paragraph's worth of criticism as the as the hook for your review But um, yeah, let me let me roll it back see what he actually said about actual critics Watch a video of kittens playing and someone is shitting on the last jedi beneath it The prequels had a notoriously bad reception But this almost seems worse or at least more confusing because this time critics mostly loved the movie With a final chapter of the so He said critics mostly loved the movie and then he's got the asterix on actual critics mostly loved the movie Why would you refer to them as actual critics instead of just rotten tomatoes once? I don't know. Maybe it's tongue-in-cheek. Maybe it's literal actual critics Legitimate critics.  What was that guy who said that, you know, the marvel movies weren't real cinema?  Can't they absolutely In fact, that's a great thing about humans. There's no one selection of area that we can get good play of things from It's worse or at least more confusing because this time critics mostly loved the movie With the final chapter of the story looming I wanted to entangle myself in this clusterfuck of a thing by offering a breakdown of why I think the film is good But first by watching this video, you certify that you were a maternal capable of considering opinion's contradictory to you And with that Why do they always do this? Such as boycott or retaliate what? harassment, you know, that's boycott boycotts are the same thing being boycotts are not much Mature adults don't boycott things if they're terrible, I suppose. All right I mean, I interesting It's not really a good thing to put in tandem with harassment campaigns Because those are two very different things mature adults do not boycott Okay All right, so let's go back through history and look at all the boycotts that were good. Yep No immature people it's just oh a couple people were saying that was apparently sarcastic the actual critics thing I don't I don't see how that would be sarcastic. He put a clarification Why is it that people like to use the sarcasm? Excuse when there's like no indication. It's being sarcastic whatsoever I'm fine with it being sarcastic because he called himself a trash youtuber Yeah, but like That seems like he's almost self deprecating in a sense that's like, hey, we're all just youtubers. Those guys actually know what they're talking about Well, if that's what he means that's retarded But that's that's the impression I've gotten maybe I'm wrong But I thought that's what he was trying to say it was like he's because if his point is critics actually like tlj I'd be on his team actually. I'd be like, yeah, it seems to be but then he clarified as like actual critics By the way, would I be like, well, what does that mean? What is what why would you say like that? Does he just be odd way to phrase it certainly. Yeah, that's that's all Because uh, the critics did love tlj from what I remember, right like the the people on rotten tomorrows and stuff Yeah real genuine actual All right, organizing razzman campaigns and other retaliatory reactions. This video is merely one fan's opinion presented for any This video is merely one fans opinion presented for entertainment purposes and is intended for individuals with a sense of humor If you do not have I have that then you're encouraged to watch something else. Well Let me say this This stream that you're currently listening to anyone out there Is merely three fans opinions presented for entertainment purposes and is intended for individuals with a sense of humor If you do not have one then you're encouraged to watch something else There you go. Now now we're all covered. Yep. He's covered. We're covered. It's all great. We did it.  Yeah, that's sarcastic. Yeah, that's My good stuff. I'm okay with that. What does it mean by the you stayed part though? I guess after the after the thing. Yeah Oh, okay. I thought he meant like you still doing the whole you still watch the movie thing All that fans kept saying after the prequels was how much they wanted movies like the originals again I'm not sure they understood what that meant because those films were made under completely different You're answering your own question. Wait, you're not sure they Well, it depends on who you ask I suppose Rex, what would you say you mean when you say I'd like more films like the ot More character based a scale they can handle Uh reliance on character interactions in character development And a more logical world that responds realistically to the things that characters do the way they interact with the world around them Wolf same question I just want good writing man Is that so fucking hard Yes, it is. If someone asks me I feel like They go you can't get films like the ot because they were made it like they're like a terrific store What sort of that I'd be like, okay. Yeah. No, I understand what I mean Is films that like have a really strong cause and effect that pay attention to the rules that are set And that focus pretty hard on character as opposed to spectacle That would be my preference. Um, but You know, depending on who you talk to they can mean all kinds of different things, I guess Uh The talk of the town I believe with the prequels about like, oh my god We need ot movies not like these a lot of people would appeal to like the overuse of cgi I remember that being one of the most common things said The dialogue not being um up to snuff, um The plot being confusing. I know a lot of people found it Like hard to follow exactly what politically was happening, especially in the first not so much the second I think the second was a little bit more straightforward if I remember but the third did pretty well But I don't think anybody was complaining about world building that seemed to be like the general sense Of what was what was wrong with the prequels if you will and that um, I don't know the ot managed to offer a general general satisfaction for all of the elements of what someone might expect to be in a star wars film, but Uh, that is how it takes. Let's let's see where he goes with this The dumbest.  Yes, I did lay as your sister. I said, oh come on for her.  Hey, this will look great in post Oh, yeah, um It's it's the whole I imagine if you got a big super cut of game of thrones actors and Extras goofing off behind the scenes. I mean, we got it with lord of the rings, certainly um But just those people being the people not the characters understanding that they're making a movie whole lot different than what goes on You know in the movie. So it's certainly not unique to star wars Probably strange if that's what didn't happen Daenerys writing a green screen mechanical bull because that's what they would need it to do in order to get the Dragon work it like how dumb that must feel you're like, yeah Does it look great in the film? I mean a lot of greens with all the props nowadays and the green screens and the face caps and stuff like that They're gonna be all kinds of those things where you just have to just pretend that what you're doing here is something that's You know something that's epic even though it's just you walking around in a green box Um And yeah the prequels I think were silly there's see the silly elements to the sequels, right? Like like if we're gonna go with Stuff like a guy in a tin can as a droid a girl with a weird hairdo, you know, like that sort of thing It's like well, okay. Yeah, I guess the silly stuff in all stars because it's very Very out there very fantasy crazy all things are happening. So I don't really Know how this would mean that you can't well because like he almost framed it as being like the OT is silly so Here he goes circumstances when star wars was silly Didn't think it's gonna be any good. Yes. I did lay as your sister. I said, oh come on for hair Weird buns on the side. I said, this is the goofiest thing I've ever read you got to read this I passed it all around didn't nobody care.   It's like, okay. Yeah, but we're talking about sci-fi fantasy Like it's not like star wars is individual in that case pretty much all of it Uh, because the whole idea is you're creating a new world or at least one that's very different Um But uh, yes space eyes, you know, it's hard to really say explain that to somebody without not space I sorry the medieval fire eye on a tower. It's like what? Sit all around get nobody cared. You know, we have large dogs flying spaceships You know, you describe it and people say, oh dear The wookiee has no pants Lucas originally wanted to do flash gordon and couldn't get the rights to it So he cobbled together ideas from westerns and samurai films to make his own space adventure What he made me think of is the uh, japanese sword master That's what was based on Yeah, I mean this is inspirations for everything. Uh, yeah, this one's Like I think the first time I heard about this was the plinket videos Back in the day of the prequels. He was like the flash gordon stuff Lucas had a lot of inspirations But when you like cobbled together all different kinds of elements for all different kinds of your favorite media You probably will end up generating something that would be classed as new It was so unoriginal that it doubled back on itself and became original again I I don't know about that so unoriginal it doubled back and became original Yeah, I definitely was not original then Does is that is that kind of like a paraphrase vision of what I just said about like how you have so much stuff Copied over that you eventually create something new That's that doesn't mean it's not original. Well, that's that's kind of where I'm at. I'm like, yeah Okay, we took so many different things and change them and rearrange them and move them around That it something completely new that ever. Yeah, I definitely don't agree with this sentiment Would like him to develop it I guess for me No one knew what Star Wars was when it released Audiences had never seen a movie like it. They had to be shown what it was by Lucas and the subsequent filmmakers But it turned out to be a story. They already knew Lucas heavily based the plot on classic mythology, especially joseph cambell's writings on the hero's journey Oh, yeah, but you can make this argument for a lot of stories Sure. Well, that's like saying that 80 percent of things aren't original Yeah, at this point we start to have to split hairs or at least be very specific in definition of what makes a new property versus an old one or a republished one I certainly wonder how many people who watch the original trilogy actually think about, you know, the once in future king the uh Epic of Gilgamesh stuff like that because I you know, I imagine it's a very small number When I watch Star Wars, I personally think of the writings of carl marx and what they mean to the universe As as thomas barthol just said original doesn't even equal good So like just because so it is brand new didn't come from anywhere else Like not to say that what he's saying is this is a flaw. I'm not entirely sure where he's going with this, but um You know, you could you could have something that's generated from I'm trying to think of a property that felt like it came from nowhere Like it's just brand new in every way, but even the creator of said thing would probably be like not quite Like they have to tell you like there's always That's just how we think we explore the unknown through the known. We that that's how we kind of contextualize new experiences Um, so when you're creating new works of art or fiction Then yeah, you're gonna take all of the baggage, uh, that you know of your memories and what you understand about Media and literature and you're gonna take a little bit of this and a little bit of that a little bit of this And you might not even do it, you know With you know meaning to a lot of that very well might be subconscious or you might have a certain archetype of a character in your Mind or even maybe a particular character from another thing that you change around and use as inspiration But I don't think that's not being creative because if you just want to pure creativity could be terrible because you're just thinking of stuff and The the most outlandish things possible and I'll just slap it in there Maybe the reason that a lot of stories are related to other stories is because We know that certain things Are appealing and they're interesting and people generally like them and just gobbledygook on screen is Not something that people really care about And it's cool to sort of there's this value in like repackaging ideas to be more appealing to a new audience or different audience um the idea that everything comes from somewhere again like i'm not against that the uh It depends on how far you take it like someone goes my character is a guy who lost his wife And like oh so original he like okay Yeah, he lost his husband. No, I've been done He lost his keys Well, uh, there's a story about that. Um But yeah, like you know depending on how you define everything Nothing is original or every Lots of things are just it's about what where you draw the line I would say Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's an adventure that's thousands of years old and universal to every culture I attribute most the success to the psychological underpinnings Which had been around for thousands of years and the people still react the same way Lucas took that mythology and told it on the biggest scale it had ever been told on Again, that applies to a lot of stories Like big payoffs in stories where a character is killed or a character achieves their goal Like things that we all understand humanity values in terms of like, um, that was an it was a big moment Like I enjoyed that the idea that like star wars is the one that's kind of appealing to this thousand year old known um emotional sort of connection when I would just argue that most things do Like how actual films will have a big fight toward the end Let's just yeah a lot of these last Jedi reviews start off with talking about the the Other things that aren't the last Jedi like they're really trying to build up this idea and they can't just talk about The movie I'm not sure where he's going. I'm just sort of like trying to offer a different pathway We'll we'll see what he's gonna conclude from this. I'll be very interested Before which is the ultimate achievement of star wars A generation was forever changed by these movies to the people that grew up with star wars It's not just a movie they like it is their childhood Star wars is no longer silly. It's sacred and I think people would be willing to admit it's still silly Yeah, I certainly think there are some silly aspects to it. Absolutely Like it's only for getting the episode six exists like the entire first half of the film that you walks are pretty silly I don't know Plus, I mean, let's look at um, I mean, let's look at the sports fans Right. I mean how silly it is that there's such a huge vast industry Untold millions of dollars every year are spent on the idea that a bunch of guys in padding have to move a Ball from one side of a rectangle to the other and they come up with all these complicated rules to seemingly make it as difficult as possible And yet it's become just iconic in a way that probably nothing else in culture is And I mean, yeah, sure you could say oh, yeah, well, that's silly because when you break it down and da da da Star Wars certainly isn't an exception in that regard A lot of things can be done like this. I'd hate to be that guy, but like by silly You just mean something that's like unusual strange or kind of could be looked at as kind of funny in terms of how goofy it is Like if we're looking at that it's like surely Yoda would fall into that despite the fact that I love Yoda I think he's awesome. He's like a great character But like if someone said do you think he's silly? I'd be like, yeah, kind of What's he going on about with the silly thing like? Yeah, we get it So what's there seems to be the argument here he's setting up the people take the ot is like sacred and Not silly And maybe well, let's see where he moves into The situation was forever changed by these movies to the people that grew up with star wars It's not just a movie. They like it is their childhood Star wars is no longer silly It's sacred and this is where the fun begins because now everyone in exclusive I don't know. Um, yeah, because I would say yeah, a lot of people do think that the ot is sacred And depending on how you define all of that it's perfectly reasonable, but It's silly you Certainly should be cherished for what it has done culturally But I mean nothing's like off limits for criticism. Yeah, it depends on how or how you mean it Star wars is no longer silly. It's sacred and this is where the fun begins Because now everyone in the theater thinks they know what star wars is better than a filmmaker And We'll play this part like four times we're doing again. I just want to make sure I catch what he says It's like not just a movie. Sorry. It is their childhood Star wars is no longer silly. It's sacred And this is where the fun begins because now everyone in the theater thinks they know what star wars is better than the Filmmaker and who could tell them they're wrong these directors are okay, but Who can tell someone that they're wrong definitively if you think that there is someone who can Why would ryan johnson know star wars any better than you know, joe blogs john?  It's like he's saying that just because they made a movie in the universe despite not creating that universe That they know more about it than the fans of that universe who've been watching it for decades Yeah, we've talked about this before it's uh, if I created a fake universe across like 12 books or something I would be almost certain if I had like a strong base of a million readers Let's say I'd be like yes somebody out there knows my universe better than me for sure Let's just kind of how passion goes just because he's a director of star wars doesn't mean he Like isn't this just an appeal to authority That's a mention. I'm pretty sure I don't remember the exact quote But I remember georgia or martin saying that he had like a couple mega fans help him write A world of ice and fire that big like kind of encyclopedia of the world and shit And uh, they knew more about it than he did seemingly because he would forget that he'd killed off a character already And they'd be like no wait georgia can't do that and Like the buffy remaster I think we talked about I was like just give it to a bunch of people who actually love buffy Instead of people who are in it because that's their job I mean I could make a zelda game doesn't mean I know anything about zelda. Yeah And you know, it's like what are you saying that ryan isn't a fan of stars? I'd be like, um I don't know. It's just he comes across as though. He doesn't seem to really care if he fucks things up. That's all yeah I'm so like he respects it at all because he's a little dismissive with how he puts this up, right?  Like I don't know it just adds to reason Let's get this whole thought of his kind of together and see what he's like It is their childhood Star Wars is no longer silly. It's sacred And this is where the fun begins because now everyone in the theater thinks they know what star wars is better than the filmmaker And who could tell them they're wrong these directors are just fans like anyone else Everyone was impacted by the movies differently And so everyone has their line in the sand their vision for what the characters should be and any new story Is inevitably going to alienate one part of the fan base or the other Yeah, right, but it sort of implies that like they're all equally valid or something There are things we've seen in the films that can't be denied like there's certain things you just cannot do without breaching Especially since the fan image of the originals has gotten so disordered that the last jedi ended up being heavily criticized for Doing the very things those movies did in fact I would take it a step further and say that if the empire strikes back had somehow only been released today to this fan base They would probably tear apart that argument again So who's the who's the first? I think it was ryan johnson the first I heard this argument from that if empire was released today everyone in the fan base would like rip it to shreds Of course ryan johnson would say that so I guess first thing would be Yes, there would be people who don't like it naturally because there is no film that everyone likes um Secondly, like would it be as divisive as the last jedi? It's like You'd have to tell me how why you have to have arguments. You can't just say that that would be the case Yeah, it's like maybe maybe not. How do we find out tfa wasn't divisive for the most part when it came out It was like pretty well praised from what I remember Yeah, the force awakens everyone really seemed to like it I liked it richam the jedi was pretty well liked the uh, obviously the prequels were divisive But then that would only support our point that how is it that tfa didn't get this treatment Until much later But um, all right, let's let's let's hear some more very things those movies did In fact, I would take it a step further and say that if the empire strikes back had somehow only been released today To this fan base, they would probably tear it apart Visual aberrations were never established in the prior canon. You can't just make abilities up. Oh, he's sky choking Okay, okay, we'll take we'll take a bit by bit. So visual aberrations were never established in a new hope That was his that was the first criticism. And again, this is what I mean by like creating arguments I'm on board with this like you could do this today. It wouldn't Be any different now than it would have been when the film came out um, so we knew That obi one could talk to luke after being killed slash whatever vader does to him when he makes him disappear um Would you what what exactly happens is in terms of like a bad result that obi one can appear to luke? What what like what does that do? Doesn't affect anything. Yeah, and and if anything I would say the talking to him is much more significant But that was already in the first film. So in terms of an extension I don't see any problem with it as a development Um, and that's that's by the way something I feel about new force powers in general Uh, I'm okay with new force powers.  Um The second one was how is Certainly help. Yeah, the second one is how is vader choking the guy through the tv Uh, so Pregnant me if I'm wrong, but are they are they not on the same ship or are they on ships that are nearby? I thought they were on the same ship I don't know. I'd have to rewatch it again and spend a couple years But yeah, I don't know. Um, the one that, uh Made everyone questionable in tlj was that Snoke had to use hyperspace to catch up to hux and he managed to force choke him through a tv through a hologram Across the length of a hyperspace, right? However long that would have been That seems a little more ridiculous than vader doing it across either a singular ship or just to a ship that's nearby So, um, yeah, like I can get why this is coming from And he is looking at a the guy on the screen. So Yeah, and by the way, this this guy isn't saying these are good arguments He's just presenting them as what people could have said about empire and what our counter would be is that? Yeah, and there's validity to each argument These aren't doing so well so far. Let's see. What else he's got. They would probably tear it apart Visual apparitions were never established in the prior canon. You can't just make abilities up. Oh, he's sky choking him through the tv Okay.  They're inside a living creature So it would make you could definitely make the argument that there's atmosphere inside the creature, I suppose This is no, I remember when I was a kid watching this for the first time Even though I didn't know much about space I had I was like Why aren't they wearing helmets in space? But then it turned out to be a worm And I was like, oh, yeah, okay. Well, it's not a problem then And I imagine that's what all the fog is trying to uh, tell us Like this is uh, almost like a landscape thanks to the whim um So, all right So this doesn't seem relevant at all to the last Jedi. Well, I'm sure we'll get there It's fine, but I'm sure we'll get there But if anything is like this, how many times does this happen how instead of defending the last Jedi let's attack something else If the best that you can do Yeah, the best that you can do is to say, oh, yeah, well the other stuff was bad too And I'm like, okay, but we're talking about the last Jedi Also a lot of people are saying that Vader and Osil were on the same ship Which again, like I said, I think that's far more reasonable than being at the stretch of a hyperspace jump Like I think anybody would agree that especially when it's Vader the greatest force user in the canon before the sequel trilogy But um, yeah As for this next one like what is the worm eating? How does it stay alive? It's like, uh, I guess we have no idea It could literally be rocks Like from the thing. It's an alien creature. Who knows if it actually needs sustenance.  It's not snook It didn't like make the first order rise that sort of thing. It's just it's fine. Um And uh, who says that the worm only eats spaceships Well, I this is what I mean like we have no idea what how the worm works or why it's there How do we know it doesn't travel through space and it chose to you know Sit in there for a while How do we know it's not the alaskan bull worm thrown from bikini bottom into space and ended up there? Mm-hmm We don't know it's very bad No clue. Also I can't help but notice that he's presenting these people as whiny Yeah, of course Just just just you know cozy atmosphere in a space rock fan you can only survive in space for 10 seconds I google it.  How does this massive creature flying out to the remote asteroid field? I am your father My child You have to prove it's a retcon How does this ruin looks character? I've never seen anyone's looks characters. Yeah, I've never done that one Yeah, because it's like, oh, yeah, well back then they would have said these is like well apparently they didn't And So Why even bother? Who are these people? I've never met them. I would love to If there was a guy who made the video because youtube 9 youtube's 80s or whatever the hell was up then We we made cover that video on e-fab. You don't be like, let's see the problems with the ot Didn't remarkable republican have issues with the ot.  Well, and Leia is only best friend hot, you know a fair point a fair point indeed So Oh Luke looks like a lesbian But this is a thing like if just because those arguments are made doesn't then mean uh-huh We've got people making it for the ot and tlj. It's it's just the same really like no That's not how it works. Just because there's always going to be somebody You don't like check out these arguments You look hard enough and you'll find people who hate anything for the weirdest reasons you could imagine I My child a massive red. They ruined them. They ruined luke's character and vader's character. We ruined vader's character, too How do they ruin vader's character? Does he ruin his character because he has a son? People watch this video and change their minds in the last Jedi after he deliberately we haven't gone The ot in our own arguments only full minutes, which is at this point. What is that like 10% less than 10%? I'm sure he's the arguments are coming. Okay. Stay sure. Stay faithful Still with me If you're not convinced here's some examples beginning with The force began as a vague metaphor for religion and kept changing form right up until the cameras began rolling If you list every ability seen in a new hope, they don't exactly make the most sense together Why Why How don't they make sense together just because it may have changed in production up to the point where they start filming It doesn't matter what it might have been. It matters what it is Yeah, because every single fiction of every single kind that was ever made would have had plans before being made Right like the things change. I'm okay with that But as it stands what doesn't make sense. I suppose would be the question The empire strikes back expanded those abilities with luke outright using telekinesis gaining superhuman agility and seeing through time Well telekinesis was already used superhuman agility. Um, no Well, he he jumped and forward rolled. I don't know that's normally he did Is it possible? Is it possible to do a front flip? I wonder.  I'll cite TLJ you can you could pull you theoretically if you're in space you could pull yourself into a ship That's really like and so if I extend that could you theoretically force push down as you jump and jump really high And I think I think that is an established power, right? Would that count as increased agility or would that just be using the force? Just be using the force. Yeah, um, but maybe I'm trying to think of like the the mainline films. Is there any evidence that force will Jedi have increased agility? Or they just they just train. I mean that depends on if you use the infinite stana machi or stamina in uh in uh battlefront 2 I certainly imagine that if you are a Jedi and you're supposed to be a A monk like protector Of goodness and all that you know all that stuff Having a lot of agility would be good. Oh sure. You know, I don't know that it's like super agility He also said telekinesis as if it wasn't in a new hope though because he said like they were developed He's like he has telekinesis like oh, yeah, but they already had that Like watching vader choke someone from a distance isn't a specific power like you could only do force Closing your windpipe I know i'm saying this when in like wikipedia or games force choke will be like a specific ability But you know that what that is is like you're Clamping down up to distance Yeah Um Okay, right using telekinesis gaining superhuman agility and seeing through time By the end of return of the jedi the emperor is shooting lightning out of his hands. Doesn't matter Well again, yeah, that doesn't contradict anything and he's he's super powerful like the I don't know the like maybe vader could do it But the idea that if he fires electric from his wide-up suit, it could be a bad day for him Especially considering that's how he dies But you know what I mean late When someone's writing a book, I mean a lot of that is Literally making it up as you go. That's how you do stories.  I don't know. I'm getting getting a little bit of a mixed message here in chat We got force augmentation example being when kenobi ripped grievous his chest open Wasn't that just normal? Yeah, isn't that something normal people do? I mean, well it was like metal Had even weakened prior to that or how well connected was this metal I didn't know that it was like super strong the the metal I'd have to re want I haven't seen the prequels since I just remember being like came out. There's like a slip between anything if he's pulling while you that's just an application of force pull I suppose you could argue that yeah Because it's like you're you're physically assisting your force pull And we've got a loop jumped out of the carbonite freeze super fast again, wouldn't I just come under force before like the obi one does that with uh I want to say an attack of the clones Um mace window jumping off the platform after getting hit with a flamethrower from jango Like nobody should survive that level of a fall But I assume with the force like say before you land you force push down You can do like a little bump up I suppose that's probably something you could do in the same way that when you jump you can push down I thought that's what luke did I sound these I seem just like applications to me I didn't realize that these are actually considered to be like super force legs or something yeah None of this seems and These just seem like applications of pulling pushing and pulling which are very broadly defined But that's fine being superhuman agility and seeing through time By the end of return of the jedi the emperor is shooting lightning out of his hands It's fair to say that this was being made up as they went only the emperor You can make it up as you go along as long as you don't break anything you've already set up Yeah, that's fine I know he's trying to why he's doing it doing this. It's just to Defend the luke apparition at the end and leia's flying through space thing But he fundamentally doesn't understand what the actual issues with those things are that would be what the second shoe drops. Yeah, like And that doesn't diminish the force in any way It was an incredibly flexible plot device something to move the story and characters along that could take whatever form the writers Also, it's a little bit disingenuous to cite these things happening in empire strikes back when he's literally on daggaba to learn how to do these things Yeah, the these things are in they're not just things that you have as in your repertoire of a force user and they're not random or at least um They may have been you could argue that they're thrown in randomly to match things in the plot But they also have to satisfy a couple of other boxes before they could be put in And that's kind of where we're at with the sequel trilogy whenever they introduce For example, we don't know if this is true yet, but force heal like Do you know what you'll do if you introduce force heal? Like can you just say that that's a thing they can do with the mainline movies? Like we're gonna have some questions for other portions of the films The first one I have on top of my head is just obi-wan and quigod like Quigod's dying and he's like if only you'd learned force heal Yeah, it's like it just seems to me that this would be almost at the top of the list for Something that everybody would learn all the time. It was like how could you abuse force heal? Could anakin have foreseeably they just like put his like severed arm back to the stump and like force healed it back He could have just healed healed a Padme when she had her kid Yeah, why didn't they do that? Can you regenerate limbs with force heal? Yeah, I just you have to just attach him together as long as you have all the parts I want to see this I don't know. Yeah, like this is the thing And if someone's like, what about introducing force heal? We'd be like, ah, you do that You have to make it incredibly high level or just don't Could force heal live like Turn palpatine skin back to normal No, that was his true skin. He was wearing a blanket that looks That looked creamy. She's he found those ads online that say 900 years old, but looks 40 Fair to say that this was being made up as they went along and that doesn't diminish the force in any way It was an incredibly flexible plot device something to move the story and characters along that could take whatever form the writers needed This is a good illustration of how the force was used It doesn't matter that luke can jump 20 feet in the air that ability is never important to the story What it's literally very important. It saves him from being carbonite frozen That he could have just jumped out would have changed the entire movie Yeah, I mean, maybe it would have just been replaced with him jumping out less I guess uh spectacularly Like he lifted as he jumped he lifted himself up and landed on the platform right across from vader or But at that point it's just details of the Accomplishing the same thing as long as he gets out of the carbonite chamber essentially Is what's important And again, couldn't you just do this jump by pushing pushing force pushing down while jumping? yeah You could even do like the whole down force push from like the force unleashed That's a really big force push Also someone referenced the super fast run from van de menis.  That's just a bad edit But george, please tell us what was it a bad idea or did they did you just unlock force Force sprint and if it was a bad edit, then why didn't you change it? Like you changed the hundred thousand other things when you remade the movies for blu-ray But knowing how literally fans take things I assume there's a 20 page wokipedia article about jedi leg ligaments The ability only has meaning in the context of luke's character arc I mean fans will do everything they can to repair, right? the one that I've cited in Part three of the tfa series once that eventually comes out Is the jj brims?  What but fans are like no it makes sense shut up It totally does.  It's weird Sure, everyone has their own individual idea of what the star wars universe is but it just so happens that a very very large segment of all of them can come together and Come up with these ideas and these thoughts that you know rectify all these potential issues I mean, besides We have we don't even have a full understanding of our own world People based on their knowledge and their Experiences think that the real world is all kinds of different ways and yet we're all able to exist in it So it's it's not like it's an unreasonable concept And just for clarification. Yeah, there's gonna be some weird fans who would put in some weird Like articles in there probably as well, right? Like I'm not saying that because a couple people chat were like You get crazy fads doing it too. It's like no, no, of course Like I'm just saying that someone who's trying to be like Jedi have increased agility This explains a lot of the things that happen in the movie that seem weird. They'd be like, oh, well They're just trying to fix it up Important to the story but knowing how literally fans take things I assume there's a 20 page wukapedia article about Jedi leg ligaments The ability only has meaning in the context of Luke's character arc He wanted to go off on an adventure and join his friends and fighting the empire He realized that goal and became the leader of the rebellion and believed that becoming a jedi would make him an even more powerful warrior I'm looking for a great warrior He barely knew anything about the force and fundamentally misunderstood what being a jedi was about Adventure Hey jedi craves not these things You weapons You will not need them I'm just I'm like I'm okay with all of this so far. Yeah, sounds good He struggled through a series of failures and was just beginning to make progress when he sensed his friends were in trouble He arrogantly believed that he was powerful enough to handle the trap set for him and left against Yoda's warnings I don't know if I'd call it arrogance. He he expressly Shares that he just he wants to save his friends Even ask Yoda if they'll die without him and Yoda says it's unclear Yeah, I mean if if anything, that's kind of selfless Yeah, I like the idea that he's immune to the trap that Vader will set. I don't know that yoda that luke feels that way He's just desperate to help people Um, I'm trying to think of like specific dialogue Doesn't it he just says like they're my friends. I've got to help them. That's one of the lines Like he sees it as that trumps anything like even his guaranteed loss, which again quite the hero Mm-hmm And in the ensuing fight we see that luke is powerful performing superhuman feats of strength Even Vader is impressed with his abilities most impressive But as the fight goes on luke realizes that he's completely outmatched The force is much bigger than he knew and his abilities amounted to nothing This moment was just a stepping stone on the way to this moment It doesn't mean it's not important you ever made sense. Yeah It was important If it wasn't important then he would have stayed and got frozen in carbonite and then everything changes Yeah, everything And they could have demonstrated luke's power any number of ways Jumping seems like it was just an arbitrary match for the layout of the freezing arbitrary The whole plan was to lure him in there so that he could be frozen and taken to the emperor I think he's trying to say that this is one of what could have been many different powers provided to him by the plot in order to escape this moment Um by like force related I guess but it's I still don't know that I would refer to that as arbitrary like This power works with what we understand And it does function as a way to escape this particular moment Like I'm trying to I guess he could have like force telekinesis moved something into the switch that vader had pulled down To pull it back up and then as vader tries to put it back down again He manages to get back out. Like that's another way to have done it. I suppose but uh, this was still Not something I would refer to as arbitrary. That's all If the room had been different, maybe luke could have used super speed instead super speeds dumb Yeah, sorry.  I mean the super speed could have been used someone in the chat even mentioned like They could have been used so that obi one could have caught up with darth mal way faster. Yeah The literal form dude, there's so many things kiari mundi when he's killed on the bridge. If only he just super speeded away Uh, if only ala sakura super speeded away If only any of the four jedi masters that went to go arrest palpatine's super speeded away It's like, let's not it's seriously from the writer's room if someone said it I'd be like to stop to stop put onto it super speed The force took didn't matter It was always working in the service of the story and the characters But after years of worshiping these movies fans demand that it always works in service of the story and the characters Yeah, but it still has to make sense Like I agree with him, but you can't just have it be anything Like again, so let's say they're picking from a roster of abilities for luke to be able to escape that situation with vader And one of the writers says how about force invisibility bubble? And everyone's looking around like invisibility Towards that means like he goes invisible and then he climbs out of the thing vader can't find him And then the second he attacks vader the bubble like goes away He'll be like so all jedi can become invisible is what you're saying then he's like, yeah And that's like you could think about it for a while and be like I don't know if that's gonna cause problems for us in the future in terms of like Good guys or bad guys because we don't just sneak up on each other But that's like put that in the maybe pile we have to think about it and then some other guy goes What about forcing invincibility? Like forcing what does that mean like they just become invincible and they like They're like shiny for the time that they do it and they can only do it for a limited amount of time And I think everyone here would be like no Just no I can't do that So why not it's like That's gonna cause shit tons of problems Like how are we gonna be able to do that? But then you can have this guy being like well, it doesn't really matter as long as it serves the story of the characters It'd be like no, of course it matters if you Are using a tool To allow your characters to perform certain actions You can't just have them be arbitrary because then their choices will dramatically change Like Luke would be like You know that can be done in the world Like Yoda's like you can't go and help your friends. You'll be killed. Then he goes. I have force invincibility. I'll be fine like I guess he's right. This is the this is the force version of the hyper speed jump Yeah, because world rules come in all shapes and sizes Uh, we need them to make sense otherwise the stakes or what like sacrifice characters make start to become really embarrassing Like I said, you can retroactively destroy things like um Like Obi-Wan's fight with Darth Maul like the more the more you force powers you add the more we're like wait Why didn't they use that that fight? It's like Um, but it looks like we finally get into the tlj After years of worshiping these movies fans demand that it work the other way around The force is super important and your story and characters had better work in the service of it And that means locking everything to only what was seen in the original I wouldn't call it working in the serve the service of the force. Just work within its rules. That's all Yeah, I'm sorry. This screen grab of kylo is so embarrassing This is this is the villain This is the does a pathetic villain And that means locking everything to only what was seen in the originals with no more room for imagination or growth So he's just expressed earlier that a force telekinesis was like um a development But that's not being that's being locked down by a new hope still So like what we talk about is how you can try and um expand or extend What we already know and use it in different ways Um, that that's that's where the creative part comes in. It's tough. I don't disagree with that to try and um Create some some kind of new scenarios or new abilities or new ways to explore a jedi's power Without creating brand new abilities that essentially like just exchanging them for different superheroes from different like comic books and stuff Like why why can't they do four stretchy hand and they can stretch their arms around corners and stuff I don't know why is that and and you'll get some people who are honestly like well, it's it's creating something new It's being risky. It's being bold. It's creating something new with the force.  No in mid air. Yeah, which was which was new. It was really flashy But it was it's an extension right you should you could probably hold energy in place with The force if it's telekinesis it just requires a lot of focus And what I got from that moment was holy shit.  It's not as flashily done Is this what I mean like this you would just watch the films and write down everything you know about the force and be like What can we do with this? How can we expand it? How can we play with it? Instead of deciding, you know what? Can we just do anything?  Like no, maybe no Let's not just throw it out In the service of it and that means locking everything to only what was seen in the originals with no more room for Imagination or growth.   Fire a lightning bolt down at the satellite for the shield generator in episode six and help the rebels out Didn't we all just like sitting with his popcorn? Yeah, did we all just write that and he said, uh, I don't know that we like is it because he could only do it on this Planet that he was like, yeah, there you go that that could be why Yeah, he didn't have an answer for that the idea that you have circle. I have to ask the same question again Oh my god This whole scene in the last Jedi is just it's so awful You've got the so the concept that we've established that a force user can reappear to somebody in some ethereal form To offer advice and wisdom and teaching from beyond the grave That's like, okay, that's not that's not really that crazy Now, you know, that's that's not an unreasonable thing Especially when you set limits on it and we don't even know if when somebody at least before the last Jedi It was never even established if that person was really there in any Corporal sense or if any other people could interact with it or see it or if it was just a figment of the In the mind of whoever was you know being appeared to we didn't know that it wasn't for certain But this scene not only Tells us that these guys can you know, they can come back and talk to people and offer advice But they can physically manipulate the world around them to the point that they can call in lightning strikes to destroy Things and now and they could hit people they could physically Strike people and cause them pain Which is why I joke sometimes and so now in star wars. What's the advantage of being alive?   It's all just they're all in equal playing fields I can't believe this was supposed to be a good video if this convinced people What? All right, I genuinely know that's what I've been thus far. I was told. Okay. Like I'm not Say this true. That's where I was told. I imagine that the people that's convinced Were already probably TLJ fans to some extent. You remember rags like the stream we did it How many people asked about this video? This was the this is the one that like I think I want to say like at least six super chats were like you need to cover this video Well so far it ain't looking too good Well, yeah, this is only now a fifth of the video ish.  I don't know the like he's understanding it He's like When you say you can become more powerful you can possibly imagine I didn't think that you meant you'd die and be able to stay around It's like that sounds pretty impressive to me And also this is power in purely a Um utility sense sure of oh, I can cast lightning now It's like what happened to be kill vader.   Oh my god.  Oh, yeah, that's right. This is an established thing now.  Why would that be the case?   Exactly. That's what I'm saying in this universe. Why be alive? If they're able to do that then why didn't obi won in yoda and how we can throw anakin in on there too They go up to snook and they hit him with lightning and they're like lol Well, that was one of the potential leaks right was I don't know if they've canned this now But at one point you're supposed to be ray was nearly defeated, but then the ghosts of luke and leo were supposed to help you defeat palpatine Imagine how that would be And it's not like being able to come back to appear to people to offer them guidance and You know wisdom like that is a very powerful thing in and of itself Don't underestimate its ability to Give people wisdom and knowledge and to influence them But I mean that in and of itself is already really powerful, especially if you don't have a body anymore.  Why is an actual being able to actually summon a physical lightning bolt to kill and destroy things? out of the question Like I said wow all of the really it was it was raining at the end of episode three And there was a lot of dead jedi I imagine there'd be quite a few that would be like What if we summon one of the lightning bolts that's already in the air and just hit palpateen while he's walking into the building well One thing they would have as a counter to that Theoretically is that uh force ghosts weren't a thing until after the end of revenge of the south if you remember Yoda says to obi one that like he's found a way to commune beyond death or whatever like that that was when apparently force ghosts were uh first introduced according to the canon of the films And also when we talk about obi It's odd that he would say what he did and then play obi one explicitly saying I cannot interfere It's like he's talking about the deleted scenery says I cannot interfere which means by the way that I don't want to I I can I don't want to it means no it means I cannot No, no, no he means morally like he can't do it on a moral level But then he wouldn't he say I won't do it.  It's not possible If you said I won't you're like, yeah, I could but I will see that was cut Luke responds can't or won't obi one then he goes won't I won't I could I could save your life and all that stuff But I just want I don't like that you're walking off without my permission bastard. Yeah, I I wonder if you just stay here with yoda He needs company. He's an old man. You know how they get Yeah, he's it it makes sense Just because we haven't seen it before People hated leia pulling herself through zero gravity, which isn't even a new ability just an old one in a new con No, okay. No, it's not like We have to damn it It's not that you can pull yourself through zero g with the force because theoretically speaking that that would be an extension Of if you cannot it's this it works the same in real life if you try and push a wall That's like huge. You only end up pushing yourself backwards, right? Like if you if you're not planted to the ground Um in the same way that if you telekinesis force push an object That's too big to actually move you should theoretically push yourself backward Um, I'm okay with that The problem with leia is that she manages to force pull herself in from zero g at least that's how I feel Are you guys are bored with that or no? Yep Mr. Rags Huh The the the leia force into the um Uh Space yeah, like is it a problem that she can force pull herself from zero g is that a problem No, I if anything I'd probably make it easier Okay, so what is the problem with the leia scene? The problem with the leia scene isn't that she can do it It's that she all of a sudden does it with no training or guidance Which has been floating out there seemingly dead for like at least a minute or so Yeah, now if if she right as the explosion happened she did something or she Do you some power to protect herself or she frost on it? Yeah, but when you have frost on your skin in space like man, that's so far. That's so far. It's gone.  It's threefold One being that we don't believe that she could do this like her She she we don't have any reason to believe this is something that she could do That's the least of the three problems from my perspective the second most significant Uh, actually no, that's that's number two the least most the least significant But still the one that I know a lot of people feel is that it looked retarded like It was so it made people laugh like I don't know how else to explain that one beyond like a subjective level It's just that it looked really funny Um second being that it doesn't seem like something that she could do but thirdly being that she should just be dead in like so many different ways the um The clip that I had from that like astronaut or whatever who said that You'd be like an ice block on one side and then like a fucking scorched skin Earth on the other And the fact that she had frost on it you can only survive for I think between one and two minutes Um, and she was out there for a while Like it's just the whole audience was like, oh, she's dead now and then like she's not Not only is she not she was conscious enough to pull herself in wasn't like she was rescued There's a lot of problems with that scene the fact that she pulls herself in zero g mechanically isn't the problem like Specifically and I just I don't know like I don't know if he's gonna address all of the issues But like why would you go for the one that's the weakest? I find that they do that a lot People hated Leia pulling herself through zero gravity, which isn't even a new ability just an old one in a new context And yes, you can survive in space for uh, oh Okay Animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes There could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with a with a few ill effects Except that's not what happened. That's not what happened Research has found that chimpanzees could survive up to 3.5 minutes in near vacuum conditions with no apparent cognitive Not a cheap Yeah, I'm wondering what what being an old woman has to do with all of that Are you are you saying that carry fishers a chimp? sexist I want to highlight that someone did this on twitter a couple weeks ago Maybe a week ago. Uh, they cited an article that proved that she could have survived I literally clicked it and read it and it said that uh after a minute you'd go unconscious She's unconscious at the beginning because she's blasted out of the the thing She's like unconscious and then she wakes up That's not possible according to these articles. You cannot regain consciousness. Once you're unconscious in space That's not a thing. I'm gonna look this up the scientific american thing And someone's saying here don't forget leia is flying at around light speed in that scene Uh Don't recall that. No, no, so that that's actually a fourth issue. So she's blown out of the ship at an angle And um, obviously while the ship is moving which pushes let's say the movie the ship's moving by five She's blown out while moving at five pushing it to like a seven maybe And in a different direction And she's unconscious for like a minute.  Also a lot of people are saying vacuum is not space Uh space they're different yet because in space there's radiation through and there's the light there's uh exposed So so I found the article that he cited and he leaves out some things that might What a shock everyone So one of the things is uh It it specifies vacuum conditions not like the actual vacuum of space but conditions and we can make vacuum conditions on earth It just won't have all the you know the the cold the Heat from the sun or the radiation all that shit. So they're replicating these conditions first off in second There's a line right here That says not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself Which is the second paragraph of the article. Yeah, he's left these pots out pretty and uh Teal dear made a whole video about this a 42 minute video Surviving space Leia needed more than the force and the thumbnail just says why Leia is dead Why late? This is no way.  This is like the Sixth paragraph on the article Water and dissolved gas and the blood forms bubbles in the major veins would travel throughout the circulatory system and block blood flow After about one minute circulation stops The lack of oxygen to the brain renders or effectively stops the lack of oxygen to the brain renders you unconscious in less than 15 seconds And eventually kills you. This is from the article. He's citing. Yes. This is from the scientific american Oh, no, that's way worse than what you showed on the screen Let me just reread this sentence again The lack of oxygen to the brain renders you unconscious in less than 15 seconds eventually killing you I wonder why he didn't record this part. I like how it specifies that people might be able to save you She saves herself Like come on Yeah, yeah other people Maybe in a vacuum might be able to save you But but also this is researchers found that chimpanzees could survive for that's in near vacuum conditions Is like I wonder what those near vacuum conditions are also as was pointed out Vacuum and space are two different things space has got a lot more going on in it.   It's not even a question Or gravity which isn't even a new ability just an old one in a new context And yes, you can survive in space for a minute or two. I googled it It's an awfully weird time to suddenly Oh my god, we already said this was this was an atmosphere this they're inside a creature The notches on the naked area of space like this. I just love the same I love that he says I googled it and it's like, yeah, well I did too and I uh, I saw some lines You decided not to leave in yeah, we googled what you googled in it. Yeah, we actually Seems like you left some things out Yes, you can survive in space for a minute or two. I googled it It's an awfully weird time to suddenly start caring about realism, isn't it? I hate that argument so much Oh, yeah, well, you didn't care about it in this other thing What you can you complain if she died in space? She's not dying in space when you got a guy who shoots lightning out of his hands. Oh, you care about realism all of a sudden It's like no, we never really It's not it's not what that's not what's happening. It's really realism. That was it depends on our suspension of disbelief There are rules sometimes this universe shares the rules that we have sometimes it says Oh, so by the way, this space was a can shoot lightning It's like you're willed but they can do that too. I mean like, okay Also, they have telekinesis. Okay, as long as you make that clear. It's fine But just because you can do that doesn't that mean nothing makes any sense anymore. That's not how this works For a minute or two, I googled it. It's an awfully weird time to suddenly start caring about realism Someone said you should put that into g'dalb the I googled it part No, I will I should have been Should have been doing g'dalb quotes actually what else has he said Anybody in chat. What does he say this g'dalb worthy? It's over Anakin.  I googled it Size doesn't matter. I googled it I was surprised he got that answer from google Everybody just wants me to do I googled it. All right. It's there. It's there It Luke's projection is right in line with how the force was used in the originals His greatest achievement wasn't blowing up the death star. He was resisting the dark side and refusing to whoa Slow down slow down. So he doesn't mean mechanically. He means like storytelling wise I guess because he said like it's in line with this in terms of development like character development Yeah blowing up the death star was like, yeah, it's obviously extremely important But in terms of like how it changed his character Like it didn't it wasn't as important as him making conscious decisions to Do something to resist an urge to um You know to fight off his emotions to but like it's not quite the same for skype calls There's nothing in the ot that just stretches out to that right There's nothing that we don't we don't watch anything happen in the ot that makes us go Oh for skype calls. That should be a thing Or or is there my missing? Other than the force ghost that's probably the closest thing you could possibly Grasspeed but I don't really think that's the same thing I don't really have an issue with the concept of the force skype calls just more like what it was used for Yeah, I was gonna say that I actually don't mind it It's just that I don't think there's any precedent for it, which again not a problem as long as you don't contradict anything Yeah, it'd be one of those things to me that I'd kind of put up there on more top tier sorts of abilities Like sure if if you if you if you put this idea and this isn't an unreasonable thing at all this happens in all kinds of fictions where you have wizards and monks and Orlocks and witches and all kinds of different things where when you start out you could only do so much But as you learn and as you become more and more powerful You could do more and more powerful things that people with less experience just can't do like yeah Let's hold on to that concept. That's a really useful one. It allows characters to grow in mechanical ways I would put force skype calls, you know kind of up there I just wanted to clarify So I think he's talking strictly on story that what he what he did on crate Is representative of what he did in the ot because we've heard this argument before but let's let's let him do it Time to suddenly start caring about realism. Isn't it? I'm sorry. Could you pause it real quick? Yes, I know I know super chats and we're leaving them to the end, but I need to read this one out because it You were the chosen one. I googled it bill boby won canoggans Bill boby won canoggans Yeah, for anybody who's curious where uh, we're planning to go for the full 11 55 today. We've got Two to three videos depending on how we do loads of memes uh non copyrighted meme videos and super chats We've we've got a lot to do So buckle in Luke's projection is right in line with how the force was used in the originals His greatest achievement wasn't blowing up the death star He was resisting the dark side and refusing to fight I guess it depends on your definition of achievement at that point Uh, so the projection aspect, but there's a physical So to say that the projection falls in line with him refusing to fight Is the the problem by the fact that he tried to kill his nephew Well, in in the sense You only thought about it. Well Well in the sense that projection is directly linked to that the issue that people have is That after all of the experiences that he has had Just because he's fighting someone doesn't mean he's killing them It's odd that this would be these are the same thing like he's I just thought it was interesting that he stated that uh the achievement of like Managing to resist the dark side is greater than having destroyed the death star in a new hope I find that I um I suppose from a character perspective, I would agree but like from the wider world Uh Because he didn't even kill the emperor The emperor is actually alive and well So um compare that to destroying this monstrous Space station that was threatening to kill everybody who rebates this world that was resisting the empire. I don't know I I will agree with him on a character level.  That was the moment when he became a jedi I am a jedi Like my father before me. Well, it's time. He says he becomes a jedi Maybe I'll be a little more complicated to loot to mark hablebeard like that's not what a jedi does He doesn't give up Well, so it's just it's really strange that all this stuff happens and like luke's It just reminds me of how the the ending plan here like luke's plan is so Like weird the way that it works Like oh, I guess ray's just gonna open up the cave for him And I guess they know to leave the cave and that it's a distraction or why don't they think Everyone else thinks that luke is actually real and he's gonna be there to save him It was like a lot of stuff just happens to coincidentally happen for this Yeah, like a quote-unquote plan to come together.  That's the thing he He is directly doing things with the plan of action And in crate it's just a mess of what's actually happening I suppose we should probably just go over it now and then cite the individual parts that Contradict anything that he's running with but so first of all you have his knowledge that something's happening on crate That's like that's like luke's perspective on octu The everybody's getting chased to crate. I don't even remember if ray told him about crate or not But it doesn't really matter. We'll just let that go for now so He decides he's going to appear there Instead of go there himself, which by the way is gonna become a problem Um, eventually if you remember someone we covered on efat previously said he couldn't have used the ship on octu because it was waterlogged Um, apparently in the leaks ray is going to use that ship on octu.  You gotta be kidding me. I just think it's funny We already have instances of waterlogged x-wings being yeah, they was in a swab. Surely that's so um, yeah, we already have Anyway, so he gets there, uh, what is luke's plan right? We're luke skywalker. What is your plan? It's like I I can see that the empire well the the the first order about to assault all of my friends in the big cave Now I can also see that Luke's x-wing if she can get to octu anyway No, she when she gets to octu. She destroys her own ship She's in exile and then she decides she doesn't want to be in exile and uses his ship Why did she destroy her own ship because she's exiling herself? Well, if it makes total sense you just hate she exiles herself destroys her own ship And then decides to use the ship in the water. It's in the trailer She like arrives on octu in the in in a tie interceptor or something and she destroys it It's gonna be the second act low point. She's gonna decide she has to come back What I did he's not gonna dude Bring alcohol like I said when anyone goes to see this movie you need a drug God, I I'm gonna smoke my brains out before watching it if I ever watch it Um, so yeah, like I said, he comes in and he's like, all right. Ray is in the millennium falcon She's flying around she can be their escape now first problem You'll find Is that the hyperspace tracker is still active on any one of those star destroyers so they can't actually escape They do anyway, whatever So his plan is Ignoring that that they can get on the millennium falcon, but they need time So he's gonna walk out into the middle of the field and delay The first order from getting to them now if you guys remember The first order wouldn't have caught up to them like anyway Like they they get ahead into the millennium falcon and hyperspace out like well before kylo or his men even get to the Part where ray was opening up the stones So like I just don't I don't even know that luke actually successfully delayed them instead of just showing up to tell kylo Some shit, but let's just assume fine. He's he's doing it to delay He doesn't tell anyone this And he doesn't tell anybody that there's an actual exit.  I could oh man Not you kylo darth vader. Yes But not you we just have to assume that luke knew that he had delayed him enough when he disappears The like he just disappeared like it seems like he just goes like well now's my time to disappear. Is like did he know I guess he did. Yeah, he lets kylo discover the illusion. Yeah I don't know like and then you have the whole like are inspired the universe like how what is the story here Like I want to really push this because I really hate the idea that him destroying the emperor and his team destroying The the second death star and freeing the world that story stays under the rug and disappears over 30 years But this story this is the one that inspires children all over the universe to stand up. It's like why what is it? What happened? How did that story get out?    Let's hear his take Like my father before me His scene on crate is that same idea on a larger scale with luke using everything he learned about the force to resolve the Situation peacefully the people saying he genuinely should have been there taking down ad at walkers like a badass or missing the point No, there's no he should have been there not we're not talking about he has to destroy the entire enemy army And be some crazy war hero, but he should have been there. We've heard this before Uh, I can't remember what video it was For the person who said like you should jump around destroying every 88 the counter we had because for some reason they create this False dichotomy or the other two options the one we presented that I think would have been way better Is he's actually there he's fired upon the smoke clears and all of the lasers are held in one position and he dissipates them Like pacifist or throws them back you could have him throw him back I don't know that it would be kind of cool to see him Do the whole like this doesn't bother me like it's almost like neo at that point But there's no reason why You can't have a whole bunch of different things happen You could even have him have a fake vision of himself just a trick though that the real one comes out You could use so many different things you could do. Why do you have to? Why do you have to have it be a ghost? That he projected is so strange Saying he genuinely should have been there taking down ad at walkers like a badass or missing the point Maybe what those people wanted to see even then I would prefer that Destructive power is a sith thing I like that that image of him just smiling at the dead body on the Oh It's zero or ten. There's no difference. There's no in between. It's either.  Is he just slaughtering the enemy If you ever wanted to see a straw man, ladies and gentlemen, this is what you wanted What Jesus Christ?  Okay Yeah, this is definitely what I'm all wanting I almost wanted like I want to see what it would have been like to watch rogue one with that scene at the end Luke is just slashing through all the rebels like why just grinning like an idiot. Who is this man? Uses the force from knowledge and defense Never attack, but they were basically soldiers and assassins in the so you get that when you defend It will involve a attack as in like if you engage in a battle to defend someone's life You're gonna have to throw what would be considered an attack at them Do you do you do you guys follow what I'm trying to say the whole idea that like Let's just say you have a baby who's just Gugu gagging on the floor. Sith goes to stab him. You were a Jedi Would you do you can defend the baby with with the with a riposte right or something? Does that just mean that you can't ever hurt anyone?   I don't know. This is weird to me like jedi and all why do they even have lightsabers? Exactly, what's the point is like the idea of I've got a I mean, I carry a gun. It's like I don't go out. I don't leave my house saying like man.  Let's hope it doesn't ever come to that Let's hope I don't ever have to use it.  I don't know I don't know just like citing the the obi one taking out grievous ending the separatist war.  I was like, what do you mean? It's just a good thing. Stop sort of like stop. He's doing to stop a war. They're in a war at that point. It's like Uh, you're already in the war now Lightsabers are meant only to defend you're an attacking lightsaber. Okay from sith.  All right.  What he should have done We have to discuss his projected ghost vision of himself to grievous and then explain to grievous So what he's doing is a good thing. All right. Are you here to cure me? No Okay, then I I I want us to Agree to disagree on this whole thing. Okay. Are you like hiding somewhere like behind a barrel or something?  How did you get the password? I'm sorry people are gonna be upset that rags called grievous a bad man. It's true. The bad man Do you know how much knowledge with it takes to keep a droid army running on wi-fi? I just want to see the prequel visions now where everybody talks to each other and just there's like, hey, you know what? All this death not with it Someone said pacifists like the people from Wakanda It's lucky Luke using knowledge instead of violence to win the fight is the most jedi thing in the series He didn't win the fight. There was no fight. They ran away barely You're still evil What do you mean? Yeah, the enemy suffered no casualties They resistance barely escaped with their survivors in their lives They barely escaped and if anything they escaped because of a bunch of coincidences happening They only survived because of the incredible incompetence of the first order. Oh no, the first order lost some tie fighters Um, I mean they have like thousands more, but uh, yeah, that that wasn't a win. That was we barely survived Holy s*** rags. You don't understand He didn't destroy the rebels hope so luke still wins Oh, yeah, I just what what a baffling Thing it must be to look at that crate stuff and go. Yeah, that was definitely a w for the resistance It's like I sit down set up a chess game for me and rags and the rags like I can't turn up and I'm like well I guess you won Curse you Next time Outplayed it ignited a controversy because it's not in the rule book Ryan johnson Why do you keep appealing to this and made the mistake of posting an excerpt that referenced contradicts the rule book It's dumb. Isn't this rule book from disney though? Like it didn't count because he's citing new canon to justify his canon ability and haters immediately descended on him because it wasn't canon Exactly What's the problem? That's how it works.  Oh my god All right We do want to begin I'm just gonna begin by saying i'm so happy we're covering tonal dash Why are they saying equally true here? Who are you to tell who are you? He's well, he's appealing to the silliness again He's like, uh, dude, this book of facts is no more gay than this book of facts You're like, uh, if you don't have consistent rules then things get broken very easily Now there is a discussion to be had on what is canon and everyone can use different definitions The one I usually go with is whoever officially owns the ip and what they say is canon because other than that I don't know how to make it Consistent and fair and understandable like we all recognize that disney is the one who decides canon now That's the problem Like we wreck we can yes, we can all recognize what the problem is And then how many like didn't like people had a problem Well after frank herbert died and his son started writing dunes or something like that I heard a lot of the books weren't very good and people had some issues with them But it's like yeah, that's canon I've read all of frank herbert's a dune books and the first two of I think it's the name is brian herbert brian's books are not good They have a lot of issues with them. They really lose what made the core of dune in the first place Not that frank herbert's books were all great to begin with I really only consider the first dune to be the great one and everything else just kind of Loses me after that point, but brian's books were really bad so if If you have Like in a situation like that Just like with star wars people recognize that well, yeah, this is canon But again the problem is that those things are canon and they cause issues Do you think kanto bite will turn up in this video? I'm sure it will I'm curious But yeah, uh, it's interesting that he's like these are extensions of powers these powers come from these places This is you know Expansive creative blah blah blah and then he's like also by the way, whatever his canon doesn't matter like what? Oh well then What even is continuity without canon? He specs There was never any real definition of canon Things shifted in and out of it all the time and the sheer volume of extraneous books and games led to a convoluted Yeah, again, so you have to you have to come up with one that At least lines up with some level of like Reasonability like you don't just say anything with the name star wars on it is canon because of What disney had done? uh And so yeah, like the idea that there's something hugely contradicting in the disney sequel film to the eu Which i'm sure there's plenty of that disney have The actual authority to be like we've purchased this ip It is within our right to say that that is no longer canon, but this is and as a consumer of what is their content now They purchased it fair and square like what else can we do? If you want to say that things are only canon according to your personal preference, that's totally fine by me I just don't know that um We can have these conversations anymore if everybody's changing what they think is canon Does that make sense? Yeah, does that make sense? I just like how else can we do canon? I mean Yeah, it goes back to I think canon is one of those things especially when ip's change hands Ideally canon is great when a single entity or person Who has immense respect for the world that's being created? um is consistent and they devote time and effort to ensuring that it all works as it should But then you have like star wars Where canon is just it's just they're just playing fast and loose with the rules all the time and they're doing this and that and Oh all that stuff. It isn't canon anymore And all of this stuff that we're doing is now We recognize I mean, it's not controversial to say that we all know who You know it's making the canon and what the canon is the problem is that it is canon In that there are people making canon who just don't seem to Who are unworthy of it. Well, um an interesting uh comparison is that Ghostbusters 2016 and terminator 345 are all decanonized now Technically speaking. I think you could make the argument that terminator 345 is still canon They were just wiped out by the events of genesis The events of dark fate even though genesis wiped out terminate one and two So actually I think they do have to be decanonized. It can't make sense otherwise I can't remember if they've actually been on record saying that but is kind of where I'm coming from with this Um Most people will accept whatever the ip is saying Uh, which whoever currently owns is is canon is canon other than that You're gonna get some what I would call arbitrary rules or at least more arbitrary than whatever the ip holder says Because I don't think anyone's crying that ghostbusters 2016 is no longer canon I think I think that's pretty cool actually Unless you're a feminist But um to try and say that like oh canon's all wishy washy flippy flappy anyway So who cares like stop doing this stop appealing to like giving up to be like.  It's like stop saying that Try a little harder. Come on Coding system to determine canonosity by ranking The only person whose opinion should matter on this is the creator of the series and george I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that wheel There's a different wheel than my wills george lucas in starlog um I don't know what that's regarding because he was involved with the clone was right I guess he doesn't know about the eu books I mean, there's a lot of eu books. So I don't fault him for that. Yeah, there's a lot But I'm I'm almost certain george lucas cares about what is canon though Yeah, I'm maybe not anymore because you know, oh, I mean, I think I think he does George lucas didn't care for much of anything other than the films and the clone wars show right the emperor doesn't get cloned Luke doesn't get married And jar jar is the best star wars character. Well, that's canon. All right, son of a Well, he's right. Georgia is the best character. Yeah, we all we all recognize that. Yeah Not controversial to ensure that every new storyline is totally canon and that includes the last jedi So yes, everything in the film is totally canon. Yeah, that's the problem Yeah, we know that's the problem as we've said it's not that the problem The problem isn't that we don't accept it as canon.  We wouldn't care We'd just be like, well, it's not canon.  It's kaha. It's all canon That's bad It's like, you know, we're laughing at this stuff now Like he's doing episode nine is something that we're gonna take seriously.   So yes, everything in the film is totally canon And if you take issue with it, why is this bureaucratic system any less legitimate than what came before? Who's saying it's not canon as in like as a criticism of the film Um, wouldn't the whole point be that they're criticizing it because it's canon You know, I mean like you can't hold those two positions at the same time.  Do you just and you forget the sequel trilogy What I'm saying is Why would you have someone saying it doesn't make sense with canon? Also, it's not canon like you just be like well, then you just It not making sense of canon is fine because it's not canon, right? I mean if that's is is that the criteria here is that if it is Not if it doesn't I just figured that the point of this video was to try and explain how this You called it a guide to the last Jedi like why would you be addressing people who think it's a non canon? I really would Well, if you don't interpret it as a sequel Oh, yeah, that's right. It's only a sequel if you interpret it as a sequel Yeah Like I'll be the first to agree that this is some garbage canon, but with how I understand canon works My hands are tied. Yeah Again, it's not the the problem is that it is canon That's what the problem is I guess yeah, I guess my issue comes from him being like ha ha it's canon again like my initial reaction. Just like well, yeah Yeah, if we if that world was real If that was the real world that we lived in then there would be some issues that we would have to resolve here so that It's like, you know, you don't see us hunting down fan fictions videos or articles or books or Anything like going this this doesn't make sense with episode four because we're like We're going for what we're being told mainstream by the IP owners that this is canon And it's different to entertain the idea of like fan fictions and stuff and actual Stuff released by the owners Anyway, continue is this bureaucratic system any less legitimate than what came before If you need a committee to rubber stamp your fantasy adventure plot points for your consumption Maybe you're the one who doesn't understand what the force is about Hang the fuck on Can we hear that again? I want to make sure I heard him. Okay The storyline is totally canon and that includes the last jedi So yes, everything in the film is totally canon and if you take issue with it Why is this bureaucratic system any less legitimate than what came before? If you need a committee to rubber stamp your fantasy adventure plot points for your consumption Maybe you're the one who doesn't understand what the force is about So because you want to catalog and understand it you don't Understand it So because your desire to want to make sense of it means you don't understand it Yeah, and like we only consider canon What is quote unquote rubber stamped by a committee that in this case being disney? I suppose saying that this episode is canon Um, like I said my position is I don't know how I can make it meaningful for something to be canon outside of just myself If I don't appeal to a wider Uh standard like whoever owns the IP If we don't appeal to something like that then yeah canon is literally different for every single person And at that point, how do you have any conversations all I would like rags is like oh, I didn't really like general grievous And I like doesn't matter. He's not canon This is just uh, this seems to be just a restatement of kind of what happened before That he'd already said um I don't know why he's making this point the issue Yeah, uh, like why why can't I just say maybe you don't understand how the force works? Well, what a condescending thing to say anyway, I'd almost like Weirdly dirty you have not a force work Like okay, maybe you don't understand it. All right. You're taking a shot at the super fans earlier But all right.  That's what you said at the beginning of this, but it's just really It's odd way to go about it. Mm-hmm think about Fans hated the midichlorians because it made the force into something small and knowable If you've condensed the force into a book that could be sold by So not the only reason it turned it into a physical manifestation that could be measured inside of people You know like you were born and you're once you were born. It was basically genetic What I usually appeal to with that is the I can't remember if this was originally said by Plinkit or someone else But the whole um, you can literally test people for medichlorians and find out who the powerful jedi slash sith is in the senate I kind of like fucks with everything um, well, yeah, there's that meme going around about Anakin talking with macewindu About oh, yeah, um dooku told me that there was a powerful sith in the senate Right or in the in the senate is like all right. Let's just do medichlorian test on everybody and find out who it is and then credit rolls You know it It's just it If you're trying to go like well, although it says it's indicative of their potential I'd be like Still still maybe and this is the thing.  Um But yeah, like he so he's saying that because the force was almost prescribed this like series of details and categorization And that's what fans had a problem with Trying to categorize the force is only going to have the same result or something like that And it's like no, you can flit in two different things, right? So the idea that someone can use force push that's cool with all of us Especially a jedi they push a chair over most if not all can do that Someone pushing a star destroyer into a sun with force push. We'd be like, um Now you've taken it a little bit too far because if you can do that what could be threatening to you ever You have to have limitations, right and he's like no no limitations will ruin it and it's like No, it actually makes the stakes much clearer as opposed to You could just like I said force invincibility. Why not? That's cool and new and interesting. Isn't that creative guys? What do you think creative? Yeah It's almost like just use the force use the real world of the force being able to It's not like wait like weightlifting in a way is like, yeah all the jet I can do the really basic stuff You could pick up boxes and things but like really really heavy stuff and that takes a lot of training and a lot of But like the mental version of that where it takes concentration And understanding and wisdom and you know all that stuff that goes into it So you could kind of scale it to something that's relatable Force into something small and knowable If you've condensed the force into a book that could be sold by kenner, haven't you done the same thing? No, I didn't here's another thing you can't do anymore Pretend for a second that you're seeing Darth Vader for the very first time. Okay. What is he? Is he even human? We find out that he used to be a jedi before turning evil Okay, how did he get in the suit?  He was deliberately hiding the truth. He hides a lot from Luke. That's part of the story That's something that he does. I mean, it's weird in the sense that he's It's not typically what you associate obi-wan with It's it seems strange that he wouldn't it's almost manipulative I mean it kind of is but for a good cause I'm trying to think of like what exactly his point there is like the There was mystery behind Vader and it was ruined by the prequels. Is that the point? I mean, that's just the nature of mystery to where the more you learn about something the less mystery there is Yeah, like but that's kind of inherent to the he must have loved force awakens then Mystery everywhere mysteries that went nowhere What do you guys prefer a mystery that gets answered eventually or a mystery that ever gets answered? Like where did basket art to get luke's lightsaber from? um a mystery that never I mean It honestly that depends On what it is that we're looking at If we take a dead space is a good example Uh, if you especially in like a horror kind of setting Learning everything that there is to learn about it can especially if that explanation is Not very good really take away from the horror aspect of it Turns out that the marker just feeds into a moon and it turns into a giant space squid yeah, the Like a a lack of knowing lack of knowledge, you know the mystery of the unknown can be terrifying And if you explain it in that way they could remove it, but when it comes to characters How did Darth Vader become this what happened to a normal person? That would change them into this kind of being yeah, I mean if it's told well like I would prefer that I mean it depends there's no reason why a character of Darth Vader is going to be worse because of explaining the mystery unless The explanation is done Nonsensically or if it does things like violate canon or doesn't follow the rules of the universe, you know that sort of thing And then I guess I'm trying to like So he's saying like I was no room for mystery anymore with these fans like I don't know man people love tfa Is when the mystery's got flattened that everyone got pissed. It wasn't the mystery's existing on on their own I was ready for I was ready to find out about snook ready to find out about that I'd like to say already find out about luke ready to find out about what happened in the span between these two episodes We got buckle And now it all came crashing down The legs off and left him to die in the river of lava Not mentioning that would have been strange We find out in the next film that he's luke's father which tells us more about luke than it does about vader We already knew that he was a good Jedi at one point He's still such a mystery at the end of the trilogy that just seeing his face felt like a giant revelation We didn't really need details on vader for the story that was being told I don't think anyone argued that you needed these details But uh, is anyone opposed to having them like I'd like them Do you want them done really badly? It's like don't really No, I would rather I'd rather them not done at all than badly But I'd rather have them done good But sure there are times where I would maybe advocate the like yeah I I personally don't need the backstory myself But that doesn't I don't think that means that like it's definitive, you know Every mystery for every person different people are gonna want to know different things The idea behind a mystery is that something did make sense to make the thing happen It's up to you to think about what it could be or do you want the answer And at risk of the answer being well written or poorly written And the mystery of what happened to him was a major component of his character It inspired people to continue wondering about him long after the films were over When the prequels explicitly showed how he turned a lot of people were disappointed that it didn't live up to their imagination A lot of people were disappointed though Yeah, a lot of people were totally all right with it Especially these days there's a shit ton of prequel fans that are very vocal these days saying that the prequels are strong and that um I remember the uh the criticisms that it ruined Vader the prequels Um, but a lot of the times you'll find a lot of people saying that now it really strengthens his history And I think there's enough of an argument to be made that Vader and Anakin are completely different characters So I don't I wasn't really bothered by how much of a bitch Anakin was for three movies I mean the the events he goes through in episode three are both enough to dramatically change a person, right? Uh And then the fact that he's locked into this suit Yeah, I just think that like the the difference between Anakin and darth vader It doesn't really ruin darth vader since they're practically different characters. Yeah, I can see that. Um And how much time passes between episode three and four Is it 19 years? Oh 19, okay Yeah, so you have all of that plus 19 years of him going through all that Yeah, not to mention the fact that He's now going to be perceived very differently from everybody and he's a part of an empire like What i'm advocating for here is the of course he's going to change people are going to be terrified of him from his suit alone So he's probably gonna he's not going to be anakin anymore Yeah, and all this stuff was set up really well so that the gap between Three and four is much more reasonable than the gap between six and seven Well, the what i've always advocated for with luke is that i need to see what changed him Yes, you can take a gap once i've seen what would have been the catalyst He can't show it to me in three flashbacks that change What the hell? Uh, we saw all of it for vader No, but not that he's making that argument. He's just saying that without mystery things go bad I suppose cool as explicitly showed how he turned a lot of people were disappointed that it didn't live up to their imaginations And that's a lesson that star wars fans can't seem to learn because after decades of getting books comics video I'm sorry. You just you just just declared that mystery is always better Yeah Definitely don't agree with that Definitely don't agree someone named rucka made that comic Rucka I just think in rucka rucka ali and it's I I kind of wondering this comic to see what's in there now Yo games and I assume pez dispensers with plot points etched into the pez. You know what's funny I would controversially back in the day say that I think jango is way better than boba And um, one of my reasoning part of my reasoning would be the the bounty hunter game Where I learned loads about his character and really enjoyed the story and how he got caught up with the empire Point being the someone could be like, don't you prefer that jango boba? It's totally mysterious. I feel like, uh Not really. I don't know.  It's like, oh Like there's no context where that's okay. Okay It's taken for granted that we'll get to know every last detail It's great that fans love this universe so much But the fixation on literal detail suffocates the larger methyl. You can't make this point while showing snook That's ridiculous. Yeah Yeah, that's kind of that's an at this point I would just be like so you just don't want to know anything just nothing makes any sense Everything's just mysterious and dark anything could happen Anything could just get pulled out of anyone's ass at any time for whatever reason as long as it serves something To do They know there are no rules. There is no explanation You know by creating rules you remove mystery, right? If you catch a person going like I need to know gredos history. Okay You need it. I'd be like, all right. Chill out I don't I don't know then someone goes. Yeah, I'd like to know snokes history I'd be like, well, yeah, that makes sense because he's like the only thing that connects an insanely important character Um, because I let you just have this guy be like, oh my god. You want to know everything That star wars is a vehicle for For example when snook appeared in the force awakens without a backstory fans rioted and caused 15 million dollars in damages at the premiere What? What is that a joke? Or is that real? I'm assuming that's a joke when snook was revealed No, no, we wanted to know who he was. We didn't have a problem with him existing. We were like, oh, who is this? Yeah, anything I was gonna happen with this guy. Who's he how did he rise to power? Where did he come from? Shouldn't he be making a joke about TLJ, not TFA? I think it should be like when Snoke was killed. People rioted. May... did he... I mean he's... I mean he's fucked... We're just... We're just deliberating in what way he fucked up here. Yeah. Suffocates the larger mythology that Star Wars is a vehicle for. For example, when Snoke appeared in The Force Awakens without a backstory, fans rioted and caused $15 million in damages at the premiere. What about the Emperor? He's even more powerful than Vader.  He wiped out the Jedi and turned a democracy into a fascist empire.  Yeah, we don't need to know how he did that. Yeah. This is... we've done this before. This... I can't believe people are still making this argument. It's insane. So, Snoke and the Emperor, what is the difference? Why does one... Why do people want to know the history of one and not the other? And by the way, we're discounting the prequels for this argument. Pretend they don't exist for a second. So, Palpatine being in power isn't a problem, because when we join this universe, we're told an empire is in charge. This guy's at the top. The empire control the majority of the planets. There's a small band of rebels who are trying to, let's say, escape them. They're like, okay, we don't actually... Yes, we're not starting it. We're not starting at step two. This is step one. The creation of the universe with all of the givens. You take that, and then after that point, if something happens that requires an explanation, then that's the problem. It's moving from one step to the other. It's not the beginning.  Next episode, everything's slipped upside down. Half of them are dead, several of them are old. You're like, uh... What did I miss? You know, none of them are in power anymore. You're like, wow, there's this guy who's taken over everything. You're like, what the... Okay, I'm sorry.  And by the way, you could theoretically do this. You just need to provide us all the information we need to understand how this all happened. But they never did.  They just skipped forward. They gave us loads of action scenes in TFA, loads of gun shootings, and ships flying, and... Did you guys see the Death Star but bigger? It blew up five planets, or like six or whatever. It was so cool. Oh man, like this would be like one of those what if in the real world another Holocaust happened?  How was that a thing that happened? How did we not stop that, knowing that we had one before, and we've all accepted that it's terrible? Like, how did this happen? Yeah, and everyone just doesn't talk about it. And just like, yeah.   How did this guy convert Kylo, or Ben, when he was surrounded by people like Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, and Leia? Like, how did that happen? It's just like, it just did. And it feels a little bit like betrayal.  It's just the same thing again. How did that happen? That's not the guy we know. We get given a flashback.  Well, I was going to say, like these are... So far, guys, this is pretty weak sauce stuff. We've had all these arguments before. Like, I don't want EFAP to be repetitive, but like, you know, hopefully it's been long enough that people can feel like this is interesting to talk about, but like, yeah. Snoke deserves no more backstory than the Emperor. I've heard that argument. Luke defeated Kylo with pacifism, just like he did with the Emperor. It's like, I heard that argument. We've been there before. All these ones tried out. I haven't heard the one that nothing is counted technically, so why do you care? That's a new one for me. But yeah, let's kick on about how we don't need Snoke's backstory. A thousand years old, he wiped out the Jedi and turned a democracy into a fascist empire. There's obviously a story to tell there, and yet we learned nothing about where he came from in the film. The Emperor is important within the Star Wars universe, but to us as an audience, his main importance is that he's the wedge between Luke and Vader. Luke is the angel on Vader's shoulder. He's still important to the universe. He's the boss of the bad guys that control the universe. Yeah. Not just important to the characters. He's very, very important.  Stuff's happening. Similar to Snoke, I will happily concede that Snoke is important to Kylo on a character level. Fine. But he's also important to the world.  And then kills him later because he doesn't like Snoke.  I learned a lot. Do you know the scenes with Palpatine and Vader?  The one scene where the Emperor is revealed talking and talking. That's great. The Emperor is not just forgiving as I am. Like, oh my God.  And as somebody points out in the chat, like, people enjoyed in the prequels the idea of Palpatine's rise to power. Like, that's something that people generally really liked. So, okay. He called him a boy. This is like a classic meme. Palpatine is the devil. To have him regale us with the details of how he came to power would just be a distraction from the scene that we were there to see. Yeah, hence the prequels. Like, if they were going to tell his story they wouldn't have it in those scenes. They would have it in their own separate movies because the stakes do not change for the OT whether or not the prequels exist. This is not the same as Snoke. Try harder. Snoke has even less of a need for a backstory since he's an offshoot of that character. What? Huh? What? Less of a need for a backstory. To power would just be a distraction from the scene that we were there to see. No, we need to know how we go from the end of Jedi to the beginning of the Force Awakens because it doesn't make sense without the context. How is he so backwards? I mean, the reason why it works in the OT is because we didn't have context for what the universe was like beforehand. This is just what we're introduced with. But we already have six movies to establish how the universe was like and how it got from the prequels to the OT and at the end of the OT everything's good. How does it go from there 30 years later to TFA? It doesn't make sense. We need to understand that context in order to establish, to suspend our disbelief anyway. It's like building a Jenga tower, right? When you start out at the bottom, there's nothing to work against you.  And there's nothing more than that that you need. The more that you add to the top of it, the more that you have to take into consideration all of the stuff that you've built up to that point. Because if you don't, you're going to have some issues. Snoke is an issue because he is acting seemingly contradictory to a lot of stuff. No, well, maybe not contradictory, but in the context of the world in which he's in, we need an explanation as to how this could happen given previous information that it's built upon. And that's the issue.  Okay. Yeah. So there's no problems here. You can elaborate on that if you wish, but there's nothing that requires an explanation for storytelling purposes. That's the baseline. Everything is built off of it. It's baffling that he's concluded that there's like less of a need for Snoke. A Jango Fett tower. He's not even arguing for equal. He's arguing for, I just, all right. Henry Gaelas with the details of how he came to power would just be a distraction from the scene that we were there to see. Snoke has even less of a need for a backstory since he's an offshoot of that character. A wannabe emperor trying to assume the same rule. We've, how do you know that? He essentially fulfills the function of an emperor though. Like, in what way is he not an emperor? Yeah. How is, how is he failing to achieve? He's, I would argue he's better off. He seems to be more powerful. He's like achieving things that we've not even seen before. With the whole, like he could just magically connect people across the universe in a sky call, which apparently kills you. Like it kills Luke Skywalker to do that on just one end of it. So not bad. You can do that without apparently a second thought. Same with the, like the lightning move where he just like flicks his finger sort of thing. He's in control of more power than apparently emperor Palpatine seemed to be. Like the, um, the- This is why we criticized the sequel trilogy on its world building so much. This, this is like one of those discussions that comes around. The power of Snoke, the, uh, the efficacy and the, the, the scope of the first order. They're, how, how have they expanded? How, how are they existing? How are they a thing that was allowed to exist in this world?  I've seen several people in the chat telling us to prepare because we're apparently getting close to something he says that's real, Tizmy. Oh, really? Adjust, okay. What a challenge. What a challenge. Oh, worse than what we've already experienced, I guess. Oh, man. All right. Plus, with the details of how he came to power would just be a distraction from the scene that we were there to see. Snoke has even less of a need for a backstory since he's an offshoot of that character. A wannabe emperor trying to assume the same rule. We've seen enough people get disfigured in their pursuit of power that J.J. must have figured we were smart enough to figure this out without having to see it. Smart enough to- Weird, that's because- Okay, Anakin disfigured. Luke disfigured. It happens to good people, too. No. Okay, never mind then, I guess. Besides Rags, even if it did, you're smart enough to figure out how it happened, aren't you? Okay, so let's go one by one, shall we?  One of them was delimbed by his friend and left to burn. One of them was hit by his own lightning.  Also, um... Well, who's the Forced Whitaker in Rogue One? Oh, yeah, yeah.  He had, like, no legs or something. Why was his eyes squinty? Yeah, he must have- He's a bad man. I mean, we've seen this before. He's a bad man because he got disfigured.  You should be smart enough to know the history you've never heard of. Oh, and then I'm thinking about, what about- What other good characters are there that are disfigured? And I'm like, well, Kat and Halo Reach is missing an arm. Um... Who is the- One of the guys in, uh, Gears 5 that I played, he's missing a leg. Like, how many- How many of these can you go through? And then he- It's really not a- He's the guy that saluted Cypher Rage without a leg. So, Cypher Rage. Cypher Rage. A brave, safe move.  Denad. Oh, and what about the commander in, um- What? The commander guy in Starship Troopers. He has a robot arm. Yeah, well, you know how that happened. Specifically, you know. He was a good man. Let's just hear that again. Luke has even less of a need for a backstory since he's an offshoot of that character. A wannabe emperor trying to assume the same rule. We've seen enough people get disfigured in their pursuit of power that J.J. must- Okay, so we don't want to know the history of Snoke because he's disfigured. Lieutenant Dan. What? Lieutenant- Someone mentioned Lieutenant Dan in that- I just want to highlight the- How many people did you meet who said, you know, I really want to know Snoke's history? Do you know why? It's like, because of his face.  That's why I want to know. They're like, oh, what about like what he did with the Skywalker and Solo families?  It's his face. That's what I want to know. Just so we'll throw a lightsaber at his face. Oh, Harry Osborn. That's a good one. Good one, chat. Harry Osborn turned good after being disfigured. Yeah, but you knew how that happened. Someone said- Raven in the Metal Gear Solid. He had his entire body cut off. Yeah, but you knew. Nick Fury has an eye missing. You knew how that- Oh, no. That's an example of where it's like, let's not explain that, shall we? Oh, also, of course. Very good, Chal. In a chat, chew and chat. The Elric Brothers. So, here's that. Yes.  You've seen people get injured before. Raid Shadow Legends. I need to take a pee break. I'll be right back. Wolf from Sekiro, Zuko. Let's do a run. Don't even know how Zuko got his scar. We should do a Raid Shadow Legends ad wolf. We commissioned for it. Hold on. The best part? I refute you. It's free. No, no, no. Person in the chat. Knowing how Zuko got his scar, specifically who did it, is pretty important to his character. Just saying. Well, I mean, you don't even need to count at this point.  Like, he's trying to say, like, why do we need to know the history of Snoke? He's scarred, sure. It's not like we can't figure out how someone could get scarred. It's like, what are you, who are you fighting against? Who is this trooper? I know how I got these scars. My mother was very nice, and she fell on me one day. That's not, that's not okay. She fell on you and she made out of knives. Yes.  All right, I'm back. Hello. All we concluded is that it's amusing that he thinks people want to know Snoke's history because he's scarred. Who cares even less of a need for a better story? I was, while I was pissing, I was thinking, maybe I should do an actual review of Raid Shadow Legends. That'll probably be interesting. I've heard that Jay is interested in doing such a thing. You should do it. I, yeah, I, I. Hey, right, the best part? It's free. It's free. It's free games or the highest quality. Free. You can buy some stuff in it, which is only good. Features. An offshoot of that character. A wannabe emperor trying to assume the same rule. We've seen enough people get disfigured in their pursuit of power that JJ must have figured we were smart enough to figure this out without having to see it again. Ah, yeah, Robocop. I don't like the appeal to you'd be smart if you didn't want to know Snoke's history. I find that frustrating, but I'm gonna move on because you know what? He said this is all a joke, right? He said that if you don't like comedy, you shouldn't be here. I like comedy, so I'm not going to get upset by any of this. I know it's all a joke. The emperor or Snoke. Someone said Edward's scissor mother.  Isn't that right, Rags? That would make sense. Um, say, uh, if your mother was made out of knives. Yeah, if she fell on you. You could get scars. Yeah. If my mother was made out of knives and I fell on her.  No, she fell on me.  Yeah, I'd probably get some nasty cuts from Knife Mom. Yeah, there you go. I'm just, I'm glad we got, we, we managed to agree on that because that's quite controversial from what I hear. He must have figured we were smart enough to figure this out without having to see it again. Like the emperor, Snoke is only important to us as an extension of another character, Kylo Ren. No. No, no, no. He's important because he resurrected the empire.  He's important yes to Kylo. Let's make this easy. If Kylo Ren was not a character that existed at all, Snoke would be extremely important. He would be just, if not more important than he is now. If you remove Kylo from the equation, that doesn't mean Snoke, all of a sudden is completely meaningless or not important. If anything, the opposite occurs. This is a ridiculous point. How did you say this without stopping yourself and saying, you know what? Backspace, backspace, backspace. I shouldn't say that.  Backspace, backspace. Then you go keep going. Just keep, just hold it down. Just, just hold out for a few hours. Until the beginning and then go and, I don't know, play a, play that rage shadow legend. Kylo's story seems to be one of the force balancing itself. The Jedi didn't really understand how it worked and thought that balance meant killing all the bad guys. Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the force? That's what happens at the end of the sixth episode. The Sith are destroyed. Yeah. And it's considered Vader bringing balance, fulfilling the prophecy. So. If anything, the notion of what balance truly means is a little shifty. Yeah. There are many people who have many ideas. Bray Prince Jr., for example, believes it means to have equal numbers in terms of actual numbers or power on the Jedi and Sith sides. And therefore.  It's hilarious. What do you think about it? It's like the force has to generate new Jedi or new Sith, depending on which side is more powerful at the time, which is just like, okay. If anything, you, I mean, it would be more reasonable to say that the Jedi are the embodiment of the force's balance. They are not, they are not pure in either direction. They are kind of like balanced in that sense. Maybe I would be more reasonable to me. Like the Jedi maintain the balance. The balance isn't about, you know, numbers or anything. It's about maybe, maybe it's the state of the universe. Maybe it's a glow, like the universe's force sensitive people's dispositions or their relationship with the force. It can be used in a lot of ways. Some make more sense than others. Oh, you know what?  I said that the Sith were destroyed. Palpatine survived. Obviously. So yeah, I just lied.  Sorry. He he's sift the portion of the Death Star down onto a planet. Remember that? That's that's the candidate. Okay. He sifted through space. Palpatine. He didn't die. He was just on the the actual like circular panel that fired the Death Star laser. That's where he was. And he was like, week two.  It was awesome. Which led to Luke abandoning the four.   Wait, wait, wait. Why is Kyla Wren coming out of Snoke's head? I don't know. Let's find out. The Jedi didn't really understand how it worked and thought that balance meant killing all the bad guys. Is he not to destroy the sith and bring balance to the force?  Could have been. But a lot of quotes from Lucas imply it to be more of a literal balance. Also, two sides, good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there in Times Magazine. There's not a malevolent or benevolent thing. OK, too much light or dark would be the undoing of life as you understand it. OK. Someone's saying here that Thor Skywalk in chat our forces Thor Skywalker says balance is the absence of the dark side. So maybe the maybe the force in and of itself is, you know, it is what it is, you know, and the the evil aspect is what corrupts it perhaps. Who knows? Would you say that? Thor Skywalker? Doesn't he a YouTuber? I remember that. Yeah, I think so. I believe so. I believe he is.  You can't have. Why not? They both have force lightning.   OK. You know what? What if? OK, bear with me. What if because because the Jedi were a long time ago going to galaxy far, far away? What if over time they left their galaxy and the force slowly but surely changed and they forgot how to make lightsabers for whatever reason and they settled in a far off planet and then they founded Hogwarts. That sounds like your opinion. No. I'm just saying saying. How does Gandalf fit into that? How does Gandalf fit into that? Oh, he's one of those in-betweeners. It's a parallel universe. It's one of these. He's on another. He's on infinite. Oh, my goodness. You you. Oh, my God. That's foreshadowing for what's to come. It should be just like two days ish until part one of EFAP reacting to infinite. Yes, it's coming out. I know a lot of people are excited. It's on its way. And it's really bad. It's this sort of. How would you put it rags? It's the equivalent of the Avengers assembling for the CW shows. Yeah. Batwoman. No. Yeah.  I don't even know if they have any TV shows. Arrow briefly. Robot bad. I don't know.  I guess I guess if chat doesn't know, we watched the first episodes of Crisis on Infinite Earth and they're batshit i