What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards. We are ripping at 2021 22 Penini Don Russ optic basketball hobby six box break number 44 pick your team style Gonna got a list of our teams and names here gonna read them off really quick for you guys Adam M He blake H sons of Bogea B Clippers Bradley H. Pelicans at Chun W. Thunder Evan B Raptors George J with the Bucks Harper B's got the Timberwolves magic Lakers wizards Pacers 76ers James E with the jazz Joe M. Pistons Grizzlies Jonathan Q Celtics Ken W Spurs Michael C bowls Moe S with the Nets Nunsio P Nuggets Patrick M Hornets Paul W Kings Robert S Mavericks Robert P with the trailblazers Ryan C with the Rockets Ryan T Hawks Scott F's got the Warriors Stan L with the calves and Thorpe W. Nicks Let's get right into it guys. Gonna go live on tiktok. Thank you there. Who is that try? I'll go I'll go and change the Change that really quick after the break didn't even realize that was spelled wrong All right, let's do it guys Good luck here everyone on the break Quick once over with our Swiffer trusty Swiffer going on everyone on tiktok All zero viewers How you guys doing? Hope you're doing well Is this for sale? Can I buy that I offer you ten dollars on that There's one guy once who's like Zyra Williams James Arden It really goes I'll give you twenty five dollars for that hurts and I'm like it's not mine Like it's not for sale and he goes ten dollars and I'm like what? I'm looking to negotiate backwards David Johnson Jason Tatum Michael Porter Jr on the hollow the nuggets Charles Bassie that is Darius Garland on the hollow for the calves Shreve Cooper Duncan Robinson reigning threes Usman Garuba that's a blue John Collins 55 out of 59 for the Hawks Nice one there Corey Kispert Charles Barkley Going on now tiktok now. We got some people in here Moses moody warriors. There you go. 75 years Cameron Thomas Russell Westbrook elite dominators Jayden Springer Isaiah livers on the hollow cats. Who's the cats? Trey man is going to be our first auto going to the Thunder Not numbered on the rated rookie on card auto Stargazing Zion Cats There's a lot of cats. I'm trying to think Jonas Valenchunis orange three out of 199 Oh calves. Yeah, they're gonna be good. Uh Jaylon Johnson 75 years. Yeah, they are gonna be very good Yeah, calves are gonna be solid. Trey Murphy. Hello Goran Drogic Jaylon Green base rookie for the Rockets and Kyrie Irving Hello Ky Jones going to the Hornets Chris Bortse base rookie Pacers, then we've got lime green is Tarence Mann 66 out of 149 clips All right, six people on tiktok. Nice Uh, gonna do a dice roll for this right here. Uh, one two three left four five six right This will go for the entire break unless it's a autograph one of one or something super low numbered then we'll just do it a separate random Three it's gonna go left for the entire break. So that'll go left with anthony davis Left yes, sir Kessler Edwards. Hello light it up. It's Kyrie Irving for the Nets Trey Mann. Hello James Harden elite dominators going to the Nets Chrome dust. What's up Tommy? They've been good. How about yourself? Appreciate you asking no complaints here Rippin some cards. Hopefully pulling some big stuff for our customers Kessler Edwards, uh, Isaac Acuro second-year hollow. That's good to hear. It's been pretty good for you. Awesome. Awesome Now it's McBride. There's a red stargazing luca 72 out of 99 there you go mabs Nice one there one of the last teams taken. That's what you're chasing is those luca color Zyra williams gonna go left at ai Lanzo morning 75 years heat 12 people on tiktok now nice chill and beat elite dominators Uh, Usman Garuba. Hello Chris Middleton going to the bucks Out from shengun. Hello scotty lewis for the hornets. What's up, Chris j Long time no see Yeah, it's pink velocity. Cory kisper 26 out of 79 going to the wizards. There you go, washington. Nice, man That is harper b. Congrats harper Yes, these are all hobby boxes. Uh, Eric left yokich Nuggets chris dwarf a base rookie Uh, red bobby portis 95 out of 99 the bucks Jalen green base rookie again. I was wouldn't buy it Uh, light it up. Steph curry non. Hollow Cory kisper orange bogdan bagdanovich 132 out of 199 Trey man chris milton Charles bassie hollow reigning threes is fred van vleet for the raptors Aaron wiggins hollow thunder elite dominators donovan mitchell for the jazz Trey murphy we've got a redemption. Good luck here, everyone Uh, rated rookie signatures. Hello 186 scotty born boom There you go raptors evan b. Congrats, buddy Let's go I got it. Okay, perfect Go into the raptors Nice hit. Let's go congrats to rano Nasty one there card 186 scotty scotty scotty scotty bonds Congrats evan b with that one. That's awesome dude. Uh, left kairi not a bad pull whatsoever Hello calling sexton Cabs he's on the jet. Yeah, I'm on the jet and I got straight. I forgot about that Weird uh cam thomas joe harris right there on the scotty That he's now I guess he's not live in any of this He's live in his sticker stuff on his on-card stuff yet His mt stuff's coming back though his rpa isn't such which is good because these are redemption and mc Fox three. Good luck here, everyone. Uh, quai Leonard 75 years Clippers joe wise cam chris middleton reigning threes josh christopher west brick hollow for the lakers At 1.1k likes. Thank you guys on tiktok for the likes Uh, red elite dominators jason tatum 54 out of 99 Rats on that one. There you go seas. Uh, that's george j. No, that's not george j. That is uh, jonathan q. That's right Jeremiah robson earl hollow pizia on the reigning threes soyakovich Appreciate you guys liking everything. Uh, jonathan kaminga going to the warriors. Isaiah Todd hollow rookie for the wizards Franz Wagner base And diante murray 1 out of 79 on the pink velocity. There you go spurs Nice one there. Now a hawk. Let's go, baby diante and shrey season Uh, julius randall 75 years mix day ron sharp elite dominators kd Jared butler red day ron sharp going to the nets 51 out of 99 nice one there 1.4 k likes on tiktok now. Thank you Big mac sounding a ton of likes. Appreciate you big mac. katelyn brown. Let's go and laugh at the seas future mvp diante murray. Yes, sir uh bones highland base rookie for the nuggets and 75 years rey allen jason preston hollow gordon hayward davion mitchell got uh orange josh christopher 163 out of 199 going to the, uh, rockets uh trey young star gazing hawks random boston's units left kevin dirant What are you talking about the scotty? uh Tatuna Tatuna That is uh ebb and mobley got jeremiah robinson earl hollow rookie auto going to the thunder Second hit of the uh thunder right there not even mentioned. Which car are you talking about? Kai jones hollow rookie Moses moody base turkey for the warriors Uh, it's going left with the brawn and hollow derrick favors for the thunder. All right, that'll do it for um box number three ronda box fourth ronda box fourth highest rated johnny mitchell stargazing another derrick favors hollow uh celtic legend blake griffin going to the gnats on the orange 65 out of 199 piston's legend Charles bassie that is hollow herbert jones for the pelicans trey murphy uh russell westbrook on the hollow for the leakers What's his name? malzahn Six out of 149 is uh, kairi erving. I don't know if he was I don't know if he was uh, ohio state. He's definitely coached somewhere else. Uh, I don't remember where he might be Ohio state Forte and hollow peija Because all I've remembered out of Ohio state is jim trestle urban mire now ryan day. That's been it for me He might have been Yeah, that I was gonna say auburn. Thank you woody. Thanks woody. You're absolutely right. Quiet Leonard Cam thomas we've got latrell spree. Well Gold optographs going to the nicks the spree, baby The spree going to the nicks He's got new york thwerp w. Congrats, buddy Okay, that's kind of a that's not like a common knowledge sports question Guy goes you guys are ripping and don't know sports like we like that's not a common like that's not what a common sports fan would know Dillon brooks is the black velocity 32 out of 39 Now you're good. Uh, joshua primo. That's dwayne wade going to the heat Herbert jones james harden on the elite dominator As he delivers damian lillard Jt thore de monta sabonis that's going left. No auburn's a major program, but it's not like I'm not gonna memorize who coached at auburn like I could tell you a couple guys that coached at auburn Yeah, honestly, it's up blaze. How you doing, buddy? You don't need to be a mechanic to drive a car fair enough jason tatum on six I say it's hot. That's left kevin durant on the hollow Hollow harrison barns And we've got last pack of box number Four got goron dragic. That is pink velocity 69 out of 79 Thanks for all the likes big math.  I'm just saying in general I'm just I'm just in general Luca garza jason tatum 75 years Uh, jail and green base rookie. There you go. Rockets tray young hollow goron dragic Halfcase braves is any way to know if case hits our lives shaking maker. You're talking like, um if There's really anthony davis lakers hollow no true way to know Unless we do like two six box breaks like two half casers on the same time like back to back And you watch them and then know that the half like the case hit was hit or not That's really the only way to know. I would say a jail and sugs Lighted up is luka donchich Uh, xyre williams yannis clearly Clearly on that one. We got a gold coming up here. David johnson gold john wall. Nice one there. Congrats, houston That's pretty sick. That is ryan c Picking up the john wall gold house Mcbride steve curry dominators Dante divan schenzel From shengun james book night on a line bringing 96 out of 149 That is going to the hornets yukon legend james book night jonathan isakala So to follow their options uh christ warts a rookie for the um Uh pacers and erin wiggins blue 45 out of uh 59 I have it's up eric. That's true. It's a very good point Uh, i'd say a steward 94 out of 199 Six six is spitting nothing but facts Fred van vleet Yes, these are from one case mica. These are from the same same case Uh, jajama rent uh elite dominators going to the grizzlies Yeah, we had a fresh case for this first one was the first six boxes on top second was the second D weight on the uh for the heat 75 years I was bassy kind of lowery on the uh hollow for the heat thank you also for the uh likes there eric got luka garza auto for the pistons congrats the troit There you go mica Uh, no, it's the photon. There's no downtowns in this. Oh, that's only an optic football eric the case is the photon in this Uh, which I wouldn't really consider a case said I consider it more of a short prank because sometimes they will fall um like two or three Isaiah livers on the hollow going to the uh pistons as well box number six and final. Good luck here guys Guys for the likes Appreciate it over on the old the old tick tock Josh christopher and trey um Kid cunningham base rookie. I hear your six. Oh, yeah We're on the same page, brother. Oh, yeah I do want to say to our face. No, absolutely not hollow. Deontay Murray. Oh, he would There you go. Exactly. Exactly six. I had a soon move face rookie. Oh boy. Absolutely And i'm sure you are very good at it too six I'm sure you are very good at it uh france vagner that's going to the um Magic the chris paul on the 75 years Quentin grimes base rookie uh jason kid 75 years nets Joe wise camp reigning threes hollow is uh Fred van bleet going to the rafters Oh, yeah, real does recognize real game recognizes game. That's right drag brown. We've got tj warren 20 out of 99 Dominators auto going to the pacers Here you go indiana And that's laflatatum and wrench Hello, i say it jackson going to the pacers josh heart hollow for the uh Uh Why can't i think of their name the um pelican there? Jesus Terrence ross pink velocity 76 out of 79 going to the magic john and kaminga base ricky That is luka blue 31 out of 59 there you go mabs Love pulling some uh luka color congrats dallas robert s when we're last seen taken davion mitchell photon coming up here evan mobily photon is matisse thiebel Super short print slash case hit going to the sixers There you go philly Nice photon for you guys So we had um in the full case you got two photons one in each break which is kind of nice. Love when that happens Hey ron sharp julius randal always good to spread the love a little bit there james booknight orange greg brown the third 168 out of 199 It's one of the blazers Hello big out whoreford and trey young optic dominators That will do it for the break guys gonna do a quick recap here. That's perfect. Yeah No, I appreciate that Photon matisse thiebel case hit day ron sharp to 99 nets bobby porris to 99 bucks erin wiggins to 59 that is um Bunder tarence ross the 79 pink velocity magic gaurantrogic raptors diante murray for the um spurs Cory kispert rookie for the wizards luka going to 59 going to the um mavericks John collins hawks gold john wall the 10 that is two out of 10 Uh tj warren to 99 pacers luka garza Pistons latrell spree well 10 out of 10 going to the next gold auto jeremiah robinson earl going to the um Uh thunder trey man also going to the thunder hit of the break right here We had a scotty barns rated rookie signatures hollow going to the raptors Massive hit right there congrats against harana. That was evan b That will do it for the break guys. Thanks again for the fill next up more optic basket


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All right everyone welcome to day three of the 21 convention the men's conference of The century now everyone's all set. This is the very first speech of day three and we're getting right into things It will help wake you up this next man. That's coming to the stage He is going to help you turn up the volume on your communication. Please welcome your charisma coach Marcus okey Good morning, everyone 21 convention. I'm still trying to work out why it's 21 convention I was thinking maybe it's because it's in the Fibonacci sequence of numbers You know you got 21 and then maybe that's maybe the 21 convention is everything you wish you'd known when you were 21 I'm glad we did it at 21 and not 55 because that would be not as good Don't squat with so much weight my knees are killing me. I wish I'd known that or what's the next number? 89 Why yes taking my false teeth out does have more than one use But here we are 21 convention Everything I'm going to tell you now is all the stuff. I wish I'd known when I was 21 And what better way to start the day off than breakfast See for me I teach charisma and people don't really understand. What is charisma? What's it all about? Well, my definition is it's the ability to affect the emotions of the people you speak to In a way that wouldn't have been felt had you not been there in the first place So in other words, it's making people fill an emotion now hopefully This breakfast that I bought to the table might be able to demonstrate that so quick question for you What is this? It's an orange. Okay? This is yours in one moment sir. Thank you for stepping up I Guess better So if we squeeze this orange what comes out Orange juice why? Because it's an orange. Yeah, full of vitamin C. Goodness orange juice comes out an orange Just like when you speak to people The emotion that comes out of you Tells them what's going on now if I squeeze this and put it in a glass on the table I'm pretty sure anyone watching could say I'm reasonably confident. That's orange juice in that glass. Would you agree? Maybe a few people might say well hang on. Maybe it's mango juice But the majority of us would think yeah Orange juice comes out the orange that looks like orange juice and the emotions coming out of you as you talk to people Tell people what's going on because we know that juice has come out the orange. Oh almost goes ahead We know the juice is coming out the orange is from an orange So whatever emotions coming out of us tells people what's going on inside of us to speak as we speak to them It's kind of like Almost a tell-tale sign So the ability to change the emotions of the people you speak to is everything You can talk to people with no emotion And they will not fill in a motion either or you can talk to people with lots of emotion And maybe they will feel that emotion If I want somebody to feel an emotion The very best chance I've got of doing that Not the only chance, but the very best chance. I think It's to fill the emotion first myself in other words. It's to go first. It's to fill that emotion and hopefully It'll come out and affect them So If we look back at the charismatic leaders throughout of history People say, you know you teach charisma. What about Hitler? I have to confront that Hitler was a very charismatic guy very charming You see the thing is Two worlds exist There's the world around you and There's the world inside your mind two different worlds and The world around you can affect what goes on in your mind and your mind can affect the world around you So if you take a look at the room at the moment find something in the room you're in Whatever you're looking at Was probably designed by somebody it probably started off as an idea in their head and was brought out of their mind Into the world Does that make sense? So all the great bridges space stations space rockets even That glass on the table Started as an idea and someone took action and made it real So the emotions that are in your mind Also get transmitted into the world around you Hitler's ideas Became part of the world around us now his idea started. I'm sure in his head in his own mind It's very positive.  It's the people that have control of what's going on in their own mind They're able to put a motion out there and change the world around them stronger than others What I mean by this is If I talk to somebody and I make them fill in the motion I'm changing how they feel about themselves as You all do when you talk to people if you're happy and you talk to somebody and you put them in a really good mood You make them fill a nice way and that affects their thought process and That thought process being changed affects their mind. I Remember when I was younger thinking wouldn't it be cool to be in control of people's minds, you know I was a kid. I was power-crazy But we do it to each other all the time All of us affect the people the emotions of the people we speak to So it's just about learning how to do that So I'm gonna start by maybe saying a bit controversial For my my two cents I've worked in the self-development industry for a while now and for me Time and time again I've strongly believed now confidence is bullshit Absolute bullshit Now this is just my opinion and everything I say to you is biased. It's just what I've experienced Because you are your own best teachers not me not anyone else who gets up on this stage and talks to you You have to figure things out for yourself And this is just what I figured out Hopefully it cut down some of the learning time for you guys Some of it you may completely disagree with fine some of it hopefully you'll agree with great But it's just my two cents So the reason I say confidence is bullshit is this Confidence only really works when you're having success now. I teach people to become better communicators I Wanted to do that because I always had that promise very shy when I was younger I couldn't get up on the stage and speak I'd absolutely poo myself and And I took strides to improve that Now the one thing I found is people were saying well, how can we learn to you know What do we I always run out of things to say that was a thing I always had and I thought well, you know what? Maybe I can fix that so on my website your charisma coach calm I made a book and this book told people how to get brilliant conversations if you like download it check it out It's free Now add some good techniques for example Conversations always die When you don't move the conversation into the past or the future if your conversation is in the present moment Game over it would die So what I mean by that is if you see somebody looking at a painting you say hey That's a really nice painting the person agrees with you and says yeah, it's really nice If that conversation doesn't move into the past or the future it's dead and you just stand there going Why did I even talk? I shouldn't have done that But if we say that's a really nice painting hey, I've got an idea you've got a big jacket We fit it in there. I'll meet you outside. We'll sell it on eBay and divide the profits I've moved the conversation to the future. Of course. I've made it up and it's fun But it's gone somewhere or if I look at the painting and say Damn, I bet that painting took ages to paint. No wonder he cut off his ear It's moved it into the past doesn't have to make sense, but it's moved it somewhere So conversations have to have direction now.


Oh, hey, sorry guys. I was on mute. Alex, you on the call? Yep, I'm here. Okay. Thank you. And I assume Mark, that's you. Mark, you're there. Yeah, I'm here. Okay. I love it when I have the wrong Google account. Okay. Jim Curtis. Yep, I'm here. Whoops. I want to make people typing once. Curtis. Joe Sherman. Yes, I'm here. Thank you. Klaus, are you there? Yes, I'm here. Louie? Yep, I'm here. Okay, hold on a minute. I'm typing over people again. Okay, I heard Klaus. Let me start back up top.  Yep, I'm here. Austin, are you there? Hi, Doug. Hi, everyone. I'm here. Hello. Clemens? Yes. Hello. All right. Dan Barker. Yep, I'm here. All right. What about Eric? Yep, so I'm here. All right. My window is getting too small. Holy moly, we've got a lot of people so far. Excuse me. You're on either. Yes, you're on easier. Okay. Iran? E-R-A-N-D? Who is that? Hey, Iran from Iguazu is here as well. I'll probably drop in the middle of the call. Okay. Okay. Thomas, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. All right. What about Chris Porchers? Yep, I'm here. Okay. I'm here. Michael P. Yeah, that's Michael Payne. I'm here. Thanks. Thank you. Um, Steve. I'm here. Thank you. William. William, are you there? Okay. John Mitchell, are you there? John Mitchell. Okay. What about William? Are you there yet? Baram. Yep, I am here. Excellent. David Lyle. Yes, I'm here. Thank you. Your last name now. Thank you. John Mitchell. Do you see each other? William. It sounds like you're still having issues. Or it looks like you're having issues. So John, now we can't hear you. Yeah, John, we can't hear you. I'll work you as there since you're obviously at least somewhere around there. But if you can speak, that'd be nice. Um, let's see who else. Who's on 9256, 990277. Oh, that's you. Thank you. All right. Are you there? I am here. Hello. Is there anybody I missed? This is Rachel. Hi, Rachel. Is Sarah with you? No, not right now. Okay. I think that might be everybody except William. So William, if you are on the call, we cannot hear you. Johnson is going to dial back in. Okay, let's keep you low. Oh, we are actually at time. Hold on a minute. Let me go ahead and share my screen. Okay. Yep. Okay. I came on zoom is. Not showing me the participants. I apologize. I just came out of a different meeting and. I'm a little flustered trying to get organized here. All right, let's go ahead and jump right into it. We'll finish up roll call later. Um, AIs the one that stood out to me that we need to definitely tackle is Austin. Um, Do you have what you need for getting permission to mention people's company's name? Yes, I was going to bring that up on this call. Um, I was thinking it could be as simple as. We, I just acknowledge all the people who are on the contributors list right now. And this isn't, and I'm going to characterize it as not an official endorsement. Um, but just that we're, we're voluntarily collaborating on this effort. Um, so I think if that sounds good with everyone, I'd like to just do that. And because they already added their names to that contributors list, then I figured that they feel comfortable. Um, Being known as a, as a contributor to this project. What is it? It wants to be stronger. I think, but you've proposed there sounds reasonable to me, but what other people think are going with only names or also logos? Um, I was going to go, I was going to do names and logos. Um, people included in that contributors list. They included their projects and their companies in there. I believe that's because they want those to be known as contributing to this effort. Is there any concern or objection to doing it that way? Okay. It sounds like you got permission. Anything else you need, Austin? I think that's it. All right. Do you need logos? Um, I could, I can fetch them. Um, and I'll, and I'll get logos for the company as well as their, their respective projects that they listed on there. Um, okay. You sound concerned, Clemens. No, it's just, I, uh, it happens that people use the wrong ones. So, um, you can use, you can use our logo as long as it's the right one that's kind of the constraint. I'll, I'll send, I'll send Austin something. Okay. Yeah. So if you have a concern, if you, if you're concerned that Austin might grab the wrong one from the, from the worldwide web, please. Yeah. We have, we have a relatively new, uh, uh, Azure logo and as, and we might go and decide, we want to have a, a different logo. So I'll send something to us. Cool. And you know what, what would be more helpful in the future is just if maybe in that collaborators or contributors list, people can add an artwork there somewhere potentially. Cause we might use, we might just need to centralize all that cause we're probably going to copy a lot of that, put it on the cloud events website at some point and get, we want those logos on that website too. Then, then, then I suggest you make a rule that says, this is how big they need to be. Yeah. That's a rat hole right there. In the interim, if you, if you feel strongly that I need to use this specific logo, um, just ping me on, on Slack, send it to me on Slack. I've got a design background.  All right. Okay. Um, okay. So, Fudge. He's taking over my mouse. All right. Thank you. Um, moving forward then just to remind everybody should be obvious. We are not going to have a phone call next week. Cause most of us will probably be at coupon. However, we will have an official meeting on Wednesday. Eight 20 PM, uh, Copenhagen time at the conference itself. And the assumption there is, um, as long as we have a, uh, a connection back to zoom, then it will be an official meeting. If we do not have a connection back to zoom, then it's unfair for people who aren't there. So we should not make it an official meeting. That's, I believe what we agreed to in a previous phone call. Is there any concern or disagreement with that? Okay. Okay. Okay. That case, um, and prep for the meetings. I did start to fill out. The Google doc for topics for the birds with feather. And for the face to face. Um, I would actually, I'm not sure how much time I want to spend on this call, unless there's a particular issue on there that people think really should not be there. Um, I figured for the face to face meeting, it's actually going to be more like a regular meeting. So I was wondering if we could just have the normal agenda doc appear. Or normal. This topic's appearing or agenda doc is normal. For the birds of feather session though, I was wondering what you guys thought in terms of how he wanted to organize that. Do we want to actually come up with a. A definitive sort of. List of topics to bring up there in case audience members don't have questions for us. Do you want to play it more by ear? How do people want to work that? The less agenda we have, the more interactive it can get. Right? Yeah. I was, I was going to play it by ear, but yeah, I'm not sure how comfortable people feel with that. I figure we have enough people on this phone call who like to talk that that probably isn't an issue to fill the time. Definitely not. I think that sounds, I think that sounds good. One note is that, um, I'm not going to talk about cloud events. My talk is until Friday. Uh, so it'll be after this birds of a feather session. Um, I don't know who else will be mentioned in cloud events and whatnot, but my concern is that the word won't be out. Before this meeting and there may not be a lot of people that show up as a result. So perhaps we could, I'm not sure how to fix that, but we need to get an announcement somewhere, um, to encourage people to show up. I wonder if this, I'm assuming Dan con is going to have. Main stage time at some point. I'm wondering if we could get him or somebody else to casually talk about it. I think that would be a great way to do it. Yeah. Oh, it's trash traffic. I believe it's their interest. I think they mentioned a serverless working group quite a bit. The last time. Yeah. So tell you what, I'll take the AI to reach out to Dan. Um, So he did this last time actually at the last cloud native con. Yeah. I think it would be in their best interest to do that as well. So I'll take the AI to do that. Okay. Anything else? Actually. Okay. Anything else relative to the face to face or the birds of a feather session that we need to think about in advance. Okay. Uh, please do add more topics to the birds of a feather session. If you can think of them just so we have. Something on paper. Um, in advance. Although I'm sure we can bring it if we need to. So we'll have the, um, the session, the, the link, um, on the first session or the second session. I'm sorry. We'll have what on the first session. Uh, be able to join remotely. Oh, yeah. Uh, the, the, the joining remotely will be for the official face to face. I guess we could try to do the remote during the birds of a feather. Um, I don't see why that couldn't work. So hold on. Make a note of that. Cause if we can do it, we probably should. Oops. And it's a reminder of myself. Great. Thank you. Yep. All right. Anything else. All right. Um, Austin or Mark, would you guys like to bring everybody at the date on the interop event stuff? I would. I'd like to. Can we discuss something else for five minutes? I'm just realizing I'm in the wrong conference room. I'm getting kicked out. I got to switch. Sure. Um, oh, I'm sorry. You want to say, okay, yeah, we'll wait five minutes. Um, tell you what. Let's pick off an easy PR then. That's always fun. Actually, hold on. Um, aside from the interop event, is there anything relative to coupon that people think need to talk about anything logistic wise or anything like that? Okay. Not. I have one quick comment. I'm already to go. Yeah. If I have some spare time. I'd like to do just a little bit of. Design improvements. Uh, to our website. And maybe to some of our. Um, logo assets. This is, this is, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to pull this off. Um, but I think there's. Uh, I could do some. Um, some improvements that would enhance the user experience. Okay. Are you looking for some sort of permission or help or just say, this is just an FYI. Um, I was just putting it out there. This may come kind of as a last minute PR. And I'm just wondering. If, if that could cause any potential problems. Okay. Anybody have any concerns with that? So you're looking at making. So the improvement, you are going to do that through a PR. Is that right? Correct. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Which we should actually vote on. Um, so you know what? I don't think if this is, I don't think this is a good idea anymore. It's kind of done through, through all of us. And last thing I need is, is more action items. So nevermind. Forget all of that. And if you want to chat about, um, this. Interoperability demo. Uh, I'm ready when you are done. Okay. Go for it. Awesome. Cool. Um, so I'm giving a talk at cloud native con. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's cool. If we're talking a talk at cloud native con, it's just discussing serverless, and the event driven, uh, future. The goals of the talk are, I want to introduce cloud events and announce this initial version, uh, communicate the y and use cases as cloud events, illustrate what will be possible in the future, with it, and make it real for the audience by showing off the neat demo. Um, and also, who's helped us get to where we are today. But thematically, the talk and especially the demo is gonna focus on interoperability between environments. And the way we're going to do this right now is we have events being published currently from multiple sources. So I've rigged up a S3 event publisher that simply detects when an image is uploaded to S3, converts that to a S3 object created cloud event and then publishes it to any functions as a service that they wanna subscribe to it. And Clemens has rigged up the same thing, but on Azure Storage. And basically whenever something is uploaded to Azure Storage, it is converted to an Azure Storage cloud event and then published to any fast subscribers that wanna listen to it. So right now we have two publishers, which is great, they're both publishing these events. And we're working with a few people who are interested to create some FAS functions to do something with those events. And these FAS functions are simply going to do some processing of the image that was uploaded and then post the results to Twitter because we felt that a cool solution to the observability problem of how to understand what the act just happened would be if we simply just dumped results of the subscriber functions into a Twitter feed. And that'll be kind of our event log and there's a bit of element of kind of virality incorporated in that because it's through Twitter, which could be kind of cool. So currently the status is we've got two events coming from two different publishers, that's Azure and AWS. They're both publishing a kind of a different type of cloud event, AWS is publishing a cloud event for AWS S3 object created. The Azure one is publishing a cloud event for Azure storage object created. And there's a few people who've written FAS functions already, I think so far that's Mark Peek. Mark, you've written a function, I think, right? Yeah, I'm running it through our dispatch framework and then publishing out to a dispatch framework demo and I'll switch it over to the cloud events feed at some point. Cool, okay. So we have something from VMware, which is awesome. Doug has written a function as well, right Doug? Yep, running an IBM cloud functions, yep. Cool, Kathy, I know you wanna participate. Louis, I think you're working on something as well. Yeah, but together we work with something and essentially we're gonna be a FAS function that will receive something from the event gateway and post to Twitter. Yeah, so that event will go through the Huawei function stage serverless platform and then invoker function that will post something to the Twitter, yeah. Fantastic, all you need to have to integrate into the demo is simply have a FAS function that exposes a publicly accessible HTTP endpoint that can receive a post request and the cloud event is gonna be in the request body. So it's fantastic that we have a lot of people who wanna integrate. I think the only thing we should chat about now is we have these two different events coming from these two different platforms. This means that people, and in the demo I'd love to actually run through just, hey, I'm gonna upload something to AWS and look at all these functions that just reacted to it and posted in the Twitter feed and hey, I'm gonna upload something now to Azure Storage and look at all these functions that just reacted to it. The only thing I think that might make this whole scenario more convenient is right now if people wanna integrate, they have to write their functions to handle both the Azure Storage event as well as the AWS S3 event which isn't honestly that much code. I wanted to suggest the idea that maybe what comes from Azure and what comes from AWS is a common storage created event. It's like an abstraction. If it can't be, because we haven't standardized that bit. So we should not pretend that we have, because we haven't. Sure, and it's not, the intention wasn't to say, oh, and look at this new standard event that we've also announced. It was just a simplicity hack for now. Yeah, I think we already made things a lot simpler than they were between across AWS and Azure, but we should, there's enough differences between S3 and Azure Storage that I would not necessarily take a step further. Hey, Austin. Yes. This is Rob Dolan from Oracle. I can talk to you offline about it, but I wanna make sure that we're also part of the demo. Okay, fantastic. I sent you a message on CNCF Slack as well so we can connect. Yeah, stay with Thomas here from Google. We've got a couple of aspects of the demo. Like we might be able to contribute one or more event providers as well as an event broker. So we do have a Slack channel. Just ping one of us and we'll have you guys join, because then we could have offline chats about how to hook everything up. Yeah, Austin. I just sent him on to the Cloud Events demo channel. Austin, one other point. I thought that we agreed that Azure would be like a Blob Store and S3 would be more like a text processing, like sentiment analysis or something. So are now both gonna be images? Yes, you're right. We discussed that. I think right now we should just focus on one use case just to keep it simple and we should go with images. Okay, and can we get a link to a configured repository that stores the images so we can do the testing? Yeah, testing this is a bit hard, certainly. I've written up some ways for the AWS S3 event. I think Clements has done something similar, but I think we should figure this out in that private Slack channel. We can simplify the event, we can simulate. We just need the Blob Store to store several pictures. We can just verify that we have access to the bucket and all that. That's all done. Like I have an Azure Logic app that grabs an image from one of my Flickr sets every five minutes right now just because I don't wanna trigger Twitter's robot detection and then goes and posts to one of the accounts. We were just hanging out together on Slack for the last one and a half hours and just made it all pluck together. So adding more is not a big, will not be a big deal and that function runs forever now. So as soon as I have a URL, I can go and hook you in and then you'll get pushed to and I can also reduce the frequency to less than five minutes. But there's a randomizer in there, so which means if I set this to a minute, then everybody gets called every five or six minutes depending on how many URLs I have. Right now I have three targets hooked up. So one thing that I'm not sure about though is the Twitter side of it. Are we all tweeting under separate accounts or are we gonna use that shared account that Mark stood up? So I would be, I think having separate accounts and then putting them into one timeline for the demo is better than just one account because it surfaces that you're actually talking to different systems. Yeah, plus Twitter has really aggressive rate limits and I'd hate to have us just demo fail because the combination of all the participants triggered that. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so I readily admit I am a Twitter neophyte. So how do we create a timeline for this and what's the proper way to make that happen? We use the hashtag. Yes. Is that all it is? Just create a hashtag. What's the hashtag? No, we can, instead of a hashtag use a Twitter list. We can make a list, yes. So Twitter has lists and I already started one but with the wrong account and we can basically just share up the list and then you subscribe to the list and everybody can see it or you can just click on the list and you see the entire timeline of those accounts. Okay, so Clemens can you take the action item to set up that list and send out information that will be very useful. Since Austin is giving the talk, he needs it on the list or doesn't need to on the list? That might be the easiest thing because... As one demo caution, is this a bucket that the audience members will have access to? No. The way I set it up on S3 and Clemens can speak to the Azure Storage bucket is simply I only have access to upload to it but everybody has access to read from it. Yeah, that's the same thing. I just wanna make sure that it's very popular to embarrass a presenter by forcing something embarrassing to go up on the Twitter feed on camera. We've been there. Yeah. But that makes this not for fun. I'm back, Thomas. I mean, if anyone wants to... It's so close to it, right? If anyone wants an embarrassing read, look up on the Coca-Cola. So basically, you just took away all of our fun, Thomas. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. So I just got a ping from Chad Aramura from the FM team. One of the interesting things that he has is image recognition of license plates on FM. So if we have images of license plates, we could do something with integrating image recognition. That's actually what I'm doing on our side, Rob, as well, because if not just license plates, is it any picture Watson will tell you what's in it? So yeah, that's the kind of stuff that we're all doing. I like that suggestion. I also believe in knowing your audience and speaking to them. And I've got an alternative proposal that to help clarify our focus and the use case that we're gonna show off. I think we should upload an image of Dan Kahn, the executive director of the CNCF and do something fun with his headshot. I think that's a great idea. But I also know Dan kind of socially and think he would get a kick out of it. What do you think, Chris? I think he'll be fine with it. I also suggested having sort of an ambiguous picture and see which one interprets it correctly between Watson and TensorFlow and Azure, you know? Yeah, so I've currently hooked up pictures from the Henry Dorley Zoo in Omaha and those is what I'm pushing. And Watson is doing a really good job at it, actually. Well, I think we could just, I think people can upload almost whatever they want, but as you're running through it in your actual demo itself, Austin, you can obviously upload whatever you want since it's your demo. But Clemens has this thing that fires off things every now and then anyway, so people can watch it throughout the day. That's right, okay. So in the demo, I think I'm gonna upload the image of Dan. I think it'll be fun. I think the audience will appreciate it at C at Cloud Native Con. Your functions, it sounds like can do anything with any image, but it's just a matter of doing something useful with it and printing it to Twitter. That's where all of you have to get creative, I guess. Yep. Okay, relative to the demo, we have the private Slack channel. So everybody should be able to join or ping somebody to get added to it so we can work offline. Austin, is there anything else you need in preparation for your session? I still feel like helping people get integrated into this thing could be a bit improved. Clemens, you have your Azure Bridge GitHub repo, right? But this is, let's see, this looks like it's kind of Azure focused. I'm wondering if, I also have just a cloud events demo repo. I think I'm going to, and in this repo I've listed, I've listed the AWS S3 event so you can see exactly what shape it is. And I think I'm gonna just grab the Azure Storage event and I'll also put it in here. So all the FAZ integrators can look at the event schema and just, they'll have one place to look at both these schemas. So I'm gonna do that and post it in Slack right after this, I think. Yeah, I just put all the code that I needed to make this work from both sides in that one repo. So I have kind of the production side which is fetch from Flickr and then the, or pick something from Flickr and then the upload to storage that's the one half and that triggers then the event translator and I have the hour effectively Twitter version that's all sitting in that one repo. And then what I haven't uploaded yet is the logic app thing which wires those things up but I posted on the private channel, I posted a picture of how that looks. That's basically just doing a schedule. I set this to five minutes. It calls the first function to pick a file and then it calls the second function to upload that file to the storage account. So that's just purely the publishing, the application level publishing thing that then goes and actually causes the event flow to start. Cool. Clemens, can you send me an example schema of that event and I'll put it in my cloud events demo repo right after this and then I'll fetch that from the logs or you can have that. Cool. And in the chat channel in this Zoom conversation I just pasted the repo that I have right now it exposes the S3 cloud events schema. So it's gonna look exactly like that when you receive it in your FAS function. I'll update it later today with Clemens's Azure one. And just to clarify again, if you wanna integrate create a FAS function that is accessible via HTTP endpoint must be public and you should design it to receive both S3 events and the upcoming Azure cloud event as well. And it's up to you to do something interesting with the image that's going to be contained in these events and post it to Twitter. So Austin, should we post our URI or the endpoint to the Slack channel? Yeah, I think so for now. Yeah, so I think it's super important everyone who wants to participate join the cloud events channel tell Doug that you wanna participate. He'll invite you to the private cloud events demo channel that we have going. Yeah. All right. Anything else relative to the demo or Austin session? All right. In that case, last chance. Anything relative to CNCF coupon that we need to discuss for logistics? Press. Press, hmm. What would you like to say about that? It would be great if we had some. You're so demanding. Yeah, I'm from Hollywood. Do we have a blog post that's announcing a V0.1? So I did post a blog on Twitter. Yeah, I did post a blog yesterday through IBM, but obviously people should do the same thing through their own companies. Yeah, I didn't see that blog post, Doug, but I think we should have something that comes out right during cloud native con, preferably during the beginning of it so people can start chatting about it while they're there and attending. Chris, is it likely that someone from Linux Foundation PR could take a quick cut at something and get it up for one of the days during cloud native con? Yeah, I'll talk to Natasha. We just, let me think about it a little bit. It shouldn't be an issue. Great. All right, cool. Thank you, Chris. Anything else? All right. In that case, let's jump into PRs and stuff. Clemens, you're up first with definition of context. What was that for? Nothing, it just goes back into the abstract territory and I've been in concrete territory for the longest time. And I haven't looked at this for a long time. Well, it seems to be not controversial for whatever it's worth. Yeah, I think what I did here is I mostly made it refer to the stuff around before it. So the notion of occurrence and the data. Yeah, basically saying the context is difficult with these definitions. The context data is setting the event that you're sending into context is giving you more information around this. All right, so obviously the text on the screen is not a whole lot. Hopefully everybody's had a chance to read it. Is there any questions? Or are there any questions or concerns with this? Any objection to adopting this? Okay, I figured that'd be easy. Thank you guys. Gosh, I can't like today. Sarah's not on the call, but let's see, I don't. She fixed this one up. So I think it's meant to be. Yeah, I tend to agree. So, Rachel, do you wanna talk this one or just go on and just jump into it and ask people how they had a chance to look it over? I think, so I don't know if there's more to say about this than we've talked about before. I think the changes that we've talked about last time are now represented here. Yeah, just so you guys know, in case you haven't had a chance to fully read it in the past, it does not touch the spec. It's all about adding additional documentation to the community folder for things like open source projects or demos and stuff like that. It's to sort of beef up the community itself. Does not touch the spec. Are there any questions or concerns about this one? If you get to land this one so that we can now add the content into these pages. Yep, definitely true. All right, with that, is there any objection to accepting it? Excellent, thank you. Clemens, you're up next with definition or clarified content type. Hey, Doug, before we move on from that last one. Yep. How do we prove content going into these pages? I'm assuming just the PR. Okay. Is that acceptable? You want to propose a different process? Well, does it have to go through full review by this committee if we're talking about open source projects and demos? I was actually gonna treat that a little bit more sort of like a, I can't remember the term we used in the past but more like a syntactical thing where as long as we get maybe one or two LGTMs on there and it doesn't look controversial, then I was gonna let it go in if that's okay. Okay, that's the clarification I wanted. I agree with that. Should we document that different process somewhere? I think we actually may, I'll double check that for the call but I think there's something that talks about syntactical things the administrator can do on their own. And I don't think it's clear enough. I'll open a PR to make that clear. Cool. Okay. Anything else relative to that? We could also just basically say that community contributions in general cause we also have a section for presentations, right? Just say that like, hey, if you're contributing just ancillary material about your work in the space, it's in the slider review process. Yeah, I'll work on that. Shouldn't be a big deal. All right, cool. Clemens content type. Let's see. Yay. You wanna talk to this one? Yeah, we had several conversations about the content type and what that actually means. And there was significant confusion around what that means because we have two concepts of content type floating around. One is the content type of the overall event envelope. And then that's the content type of the event data. And so I clarify here that the content type that we carry as an attribute is really declaring what the content type of the data attribute is and also give an example. So you might go and render an event as Jason but that event might carry an XML payload. And so you need to be able to go and declare that. And XML is something that I'm just referencing here, something that is odd and old. But it might quite well also be binary. So if you have an IoT use case and you raise an alarm from a device, that alarm may be expressed in the native, whatever native format the device is using to raise alarms today. And we're cloud eventifying it with the envelope so that everybody can understand it, can flow it. But ultimately if you want to get the details of the alarm, you may have a special decoder to go and get the details of them. There's a billion different lingos obviously that devices speak. So be able to carry that native data. You need to be able to declare it. And that's what that content type is for. So that's the equivalent of the content type in MQTT or the content type that's in MQP. It's really about the data that's being carried. And then there's, we have several in all of our, in all of our transport binding proposals, including the one that we've, the mapping that we already accepted for HDP, we're referring to this field in that way. I think the change can be made even better if we also just kind of explain that this does imply there might be double encoding. So I did get my structured and binary JSON encoding working with cross encoding for XML payloads. But I had to add like extra JSON value encoding and decoding to make sure that all the XML characters were rendered as safe JSON characters. So Thomas, are you suggesting that alternative text here or are you looking for a changer or just? I'm suggesting that maybe in another sentence or something like that. And I don't know if it's, we might be fine just explaining in every single transport document that by the way, because this transport document transports over XML or over JSON, if you have a non-JSON type, it must be JSON decoded before it's arbitrary decoded. Yeah, so that is the job of the JSON format to declare this because here we're, this is why we have an abstract type system, right? We have, we go and say, this is a string that declares this, the data attribute can have three different shapes. It can carry a binary, it can carry a string or it can carry a map. And then if it's a binary, which you would describe with this content type, then there's a mapping of that binary into JSON and that mapping into JSON obviously needs to follow the rules of JSON. But if you have a mapping into let's say message pack, message pack natively understands binary. And so therefore you don't need to apply any of those special rules. So that's specific, how you put the stuff on the wire or into an encoding format so that it doesn't mess up that encoding format is the job of the encoding format. So that clarification goes, that clarification if needed should go into the JSON format. Okay. So, are you okay with the text as it is Thomas? Yeah, I was bringing up an optional addition and it doesn't seem like it's like other people are rallying behind it being a necessary, so it's fine. Okay, well, as with everything, if upon thinking of it more, you think additional text is needed, we can always do another PR, follow on to this one to add it. So, right, any other questions or comments? I have a question on this. So for the content type, this defines the format of the data. So if I would like to get a information, filter out information of the data, for example, some specific segment, does, is this enough or how should that down? So for you to be able to filter out or to make an intelligent decision about what to pick from that data, you need to know what the data is. So what this helps you, what this only helps you understand what data means and what is in the data attribute. So if it carries, let's say XML data, it will say application slash XML. And then you know that the data field that contains then, let's say it's string, you know that you have to run that string through an XML parser before you then can go and pick out information from it. You actually have to run it through a JSON parser and a JSON decoder and then an XML parser. No, you don't because- You have to be able to blow up the default encoding library for Golang. I have a working PR and I had to do that to make it work. No, but at the level of this specification, at the level of this specification, it's a string or it's a binary or it's a map. And then, and then, so as long as, so if you take it that it is already a string that needs to run it through an XML parser. Yes, if you take the event in as JSON first, then you need to run it through a JSON decoder per rules of JSON and then you have a string that you then run through the XML. So that's, it's a multi-layered thing, right? If you come from message pack, then JSON plays a role because the data attribute was never in JSON format. Would it be useful just to add a sentence that says, implementers need to be aware of having to possibly do multiple encodings or something along those lines just to give you a heads up that it's not just a simple, don't put whatever you want here. I mean, the content type is gonna shape what you put there and the transported which you're sending it, like for example, JSON. Yeah, so I think what would help is to have a, so one of the things we're still missing is there's some implicit architecture that has now built up for the relationship between the transport mappings and the transports and the encodings and this. And we haven't written that down yet. And so I think that's missing for clarification. Is that something that would go into this doc, into the spec or into one of the encoding documents? Where do you see that? Either here, if we're, I think if we do an introductory architecture section that would be useful, I don't think this needs to be long, but it's like, this is the core specification, the specification, further specifications specify a set of transports and set of encodings. Here's the relationships, go read this, go read that. Yeah, I think, if I remember correctly, I think Sarah might actually have either an issue or even a PR out there that talks about trying to lay out the high-level architecture of what we're trying to do here. I'm wondering if that would be a good spot for this text. Yeah, I think so. Because ultimately, this here sits at the very bottom of everything. And so I think this is good to do. So we have, and I'm using some examples that kind of reference out, but we have here the abstract type, the goal of the abstract type system is to allow interactions effectively across different encodings where you don't need to normalize on a particular encoding, where you don't need to go and say, this always, there's always JSON in play. You should be able to go from, you should be able to contain XML and message pack, you should be able to contain JSON and Avro, you should be able, in all those different combinations and the only commonality across all of them is kind of this super simple type system. Okay, so looking at this one itself, Kathy, Thomas, or anybody else, is there something that needs to be changed here or is this a more matter of, in a follow-up PR, we may wanna do some extra clarifications or guidance type words someplace else? I think some clarification here will be helpful, but in addition, we might need more high-level, how to say it, description of how these are structured and which one refers to which. I'll be happy to go and amend this one to go and add the further section and then see this in context, I have no problem with that. Okay, so if you're willing to update the PR, that's fine, okay, is there any objection to heading that direction? Okay, so you'll work on tweaks to the PR, thank you very much. Okay, Kathy, you wanted to talk about the correlation field today, so I brought that up and just let you know, I brought on the agenda because you asked for it, however, this actually may be a really good topic for the face-to-face, but I'll let you decide that. Yeah, yeah, I think probably face-to-face is good, but I can just talk a little bit briefly on this. This is related to the content type. So I think in the comment, I see that people are saying, because this is like for correlation field, I guess I did the presentation in one of the previous meetings. I'm not sure whether people would still like me to go through this use case. Basically, it is to correlate multiple events which are associated with the same instance, I mean application instance, how we're going to do that. This correlation information could be embedded in the data, in the data stream, and then people, some people are concerned if we need to decode your multi-layer of decoding from that data stream, it's too much. So we need a correlation field explicitly defined in the event attributes. Yeah, I think that's a background. Yeah, I'm also interested. I think having that discussion at the face-to-face will be actually useful, because this takes us back to some of the base that we had around source, and I still believe that the correlation you're looking for is expressible using the source URI. But having that, I think the face-to-face will be a great place to have an extended chat about but whether that satisfies your needs and how else we might go and add correlation. I'm not sure that we need to have an extra field. Yeah. Kathy, will you be there at coupon? Yes, I will be there, yeah. Okay, great. Yeah, so if for example, in the correlation I just want to add a little bit more. The correlation field for different application could be different. For some, it could be, I gave an example before for IOT use case, it could be a house number, it could be the device IP address. It could be like for some other use case, it could be a travel request ID. It's all different. My feeling is those information might be embedded in the data stream itself. It will not be part, for some cases, it might not be part of the source ID or whatever. In some cases, it could be. So that's why I think, yeah, maybe we need to discuss this in a more extensive way. Yeah, we have three ongoing issues slash PRs that are heading in that same direction. One is we have lack of clarity around what extensions are. Then there is a proposal out there for further clarifying the source URI with descriptive attributes. You want to have a correlation field, which if you go and write down a location taxonomy for a sensor in a house is more complicated than maybe just one field. So I think what we might land is that we're gonna have some kind of a property bag. But we should go and figure out what the shape of that property bag needs to be and what the rules around that are. Yeah, it's probably a good face-to-face topic. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure. I don't want to put you in the spot to come up with an answer, but one mental exercise I'd like to discuss at KubeCon is given your house example. Imagine if I were a property owner of an apartment complex and I wanted to let each member of my units have their own event stream for their house, but I also wanted to observe events for the entire property. I'm curious to discuss face-to-face in KubeCon, what we can do to enable that sort of selection. Yeah, I think that's a very good point. I also share the same thought, yeah. So let's discuss that, yeah. All right, cool. So I'll add this to the agenda for the face-to-face meeting. All right, cool. Anything else on this one to talk about? All right, cool. Thank you, Kathy. Now, unfortunately, I don't think Clemens, your next two ones are ones we could do in about five minutes. No. So if it's okay with you, I'd like to see what people think about this one, which I think is relatively small. It's just removing the case sensitivity requirement for our HGP headers. I think I opened this one up on Monday. It's a relatively easy one, if you guys want to take a quick look. And if you don't think you have time to, you don't feel like you have enough time to look at it right now, it's fine, we can defer it. But otherwise, I thought it might be an easy one to get in. As a small typo correction header, names are plural. Ah, where? Okay, I'll fix that. Sorry. Aside from that obvious mistake, yes. Anything else? Thank you for doing the work. Yeah. Any questions, comments? People requesting delays or more time to review. Okay. With that one typo change of name to names, is there any objection to adopting this one? All right, cool. Okay, in that case, since we're almost out of time, two things I want to do. Oh, hold on a minute. Where is it? Okay. Two things. One offline, Mark Peake mentioned to me, and to remind you guys that there is a serverless track at KubeCon. And here's the URL to it right here. It might be of interest to you if you want to see what all the serverless topics are or sessions are. Okay. And finally, go back to the usual fun of attendance. Ryan, are you on the call? Yes, I'm here. All right, William, are you able to talk now? Yep, I'm here. Excellent, I already got Rob, I heard you. Kathy, I heard Chris, I heard Gurnett show you there. Gurnett show you there? No, okay. Is there anybody on the call who I do not have on the agenda with an asterisk next to their name? I think I might have gotten everybody. All right, in that case, a couple of minutes left. Is there any other topic people like to bring up that's relatively small? I have a question. Sorry. So Austin, so for the demo, are you going to run the cloud events gateway on your, I mean, from a server on your, at your company or are you going to run that on the laptop you bring to that conference? The routing is going to be done through a hosted version of our event gateway project. So we'll be running for my computer. Oh, from your computer in the conference, right? You'll bring that with you to the conference, right? We... The assumption is that everything will be cloud-accessible. Oh, okay. Yes, correct. So actually, so for us, right, to interact with your gateway or the event source, we can run our code in our lab. We do not need to run in my laptop. I bring to the conference, right? Which I bring to the conference. You need a static IP address and I would suggest running it in the cloud. Right. Yeah, you need to integrate into this demo. You specifically need an HTTP endpoint. It's accessible via a post request. Okay. So in the chat window of this Zoom conversation, I've just put in a link to the read me that explains everything, it also includes examples of both event schemas now and all the details you need as to how to how to integrate. The only thing that's not in here yet is just the Twitter details, how that works. And I think we could follow up on that in the private Cloud Events demo channel. Are there any concerns that we should worry about with like which encoding you're going to use or which responses that you accept or things like that? No concerns with responses. The encoding is just application JSON. That's what you'll receive in your FAS function. And the image is not actually being included in the event. The only thing that's included in both the AWS S3 event and the Azure Storage event is a URL to the image. You're actually getting application slash Cloud Events plus JSON because that's what our specs say. I don't know. Yeah, so is it one is binary encoding one is structured encoding or? No, application slash Cloud Events plus JSON is structured encoding. That's what I'm sending. And Austin? So I don't think we're going to be sending that in the demo. I think we're just sending application slash JSON right now. Are you doing the binary encoding them with the headers? Binary encoding. We're not doing any binary anything in this set. But that's what the rule is. The rule is you have to sit. You should change your posts to be combined with what we actually have in the spec and that is application slash Cloud Events plus JSON instead of application slash JSON. So Austin, you have everything ready. We can do an integration testing now or? This is the tricky part. How we actually do this. Right now I suggest getting started and just mocking the event. So I've included everything necessary to, I've included an example event schemas for both. You can mock them pretty easily. And also the URLs point to images that are on publicly accessible buckets. So plan for that. But I think we have to figure out the testing story. I'm going to follow up with that in the Cloud Events demo channel. Yeah, Kathy, if you go to the private channel, if you just tell everybody what the URL is to your function end point. In the meantime, I believe you can get pretty far just mocking. Yeah, but if you give the URL to your endpoint, these guys will be able to add it to their producing site. For example, Clemens added mine, you know, pretty quickly and then he can start sending it. I lost audio. I don't know if anyone else is talking. Oh, okay. So if we give the endpoint URL, so who is going to try it out? Yeah, if you stick that into the private chat, Clemens will automatically send you a post every couple of minutes. Oh, okay. Okay, I see. Yeah, actually, hold on one sec. So for my demo, I'm just going to route everything through our event gateway and I'm actually going to trigger Clemens. I'm going to trigger your function through that. So I don't think we're going to be using the publishing function that you created, Clemens, for my demo. Well, but it is publishing into all those endpoints anyways. So that runs completely in parallel. You can go and tell the story about how you publish, like you can show the code and all those things, but my thing that will just run in the background just keeps posting stuff every five minutes into everybody's history. And you can already see that in the, if you look at the Twitter accounts now, they're already all getting events. Yeah, I hear you. The challenge is this just creates like two places for people to integrate into. They're either handing me the endpoints or they're handing you the endpoints. Well, but that has already happened. Like this is already working. Sure. Is there a problem with only integrating with one? Why do we have to integrate both? Yeah, I think it's better to just integrate with one. So I'm going to have to call time here because I know other people have phone calls to jump off to. Can we continue this discussion in the private chat? Yeah. Okay. So it's a Slack, right? It's a Slack channel, right? Yeah, hit me up through Slack and I'll invite you, Kathy. Okay, sure. Thank you. Kathy, you're already invited. Oh, there you go. Okay. Okay. All right, cool. In that case, hopefully we'll see most people there at KubeCon, looking forward to next week. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thanks, everyone. Goodbye.


Because I knew what was happening, or what is still happening. And nothing will change me. I will always be GBM. That one, no one will steal it from me. Yes, as with the 25 accounts, do you feel this could be politically motivated or they just turned me down? 25 accounts is their account. That's what they think in their heads. But maybe it's only one account, mind you. At the end of the day. We are very good lawyers. I think they will be able to produce the accounts too. To zero? Probably even zero. So that is not worrying me at all. How do they keep you behind bars? Well, like any other detainee. They kept me like a detainee. But I'm used to it. I think this is not the first time. As you all know that I think even through fear, I went through the same. Even with the Haga in the Hichirama. Who is now the president. I went through it with him. I've been detained several times. So this is nothing strange to me. Are you shaken? Who? Since when? Since when can I be shaken? Since when can I be shaken? Have you ever seen me shaken? You can stop here. I've been orchestrated detentions. I've never been shaken. And no one will shake me. Would you say this is a political persecution? You know what it is. It's political persecution. They are talking about a case, let me tell you. Which happened when I was being stopped in the fence. And they have no facts that I interfered in the procurement of that contract. They have no defense whatsoever. And I don't happen to appear anywhere. But you see because of what I did. Just because I resigned from UPND. Just because of my resignation. Leaving them out. I'm leaving UPND. That is a problem that I have. But I can tell you that I'm still strong. And in fact I'm getting stronger and stronger by the day. You see I've been quiet for too long. I think this is about time that I should now start mobilising my party PF. Yes. Hey! Yeah. Yama. Yama.


Next up it's my absolute pleasure to introduce you to Professor Alexandra Quintanilla. When we're looking for the people who could best tell the story of the Portuguese decriminalization model his name came up straight away and so I'm so excited to hear him speak. Professor Quintanilla is trained as a theoretical physicist, is a former professor of biophysics at Berkeley in Porto and was the chair of the Commission for Portugal's national drug strategy in 1998 when it all happened. Without further ado, Professor Quintanilla. Well, you know that I come from academia because I have a few slides. Let me first say how honored I am to be here today with the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michel Bachelet, and with our president, George Sampaio. I cannot express in words how emotional I feel about your presence here today. Distinguished guests, I was reminded, I was told to talk a little bit about the Portuguese story and it's interesting because I also chose, I came to live in Portugal about 30 years ago and I also chose Porto.  A few days ago I was reading a Stanford alumni publication that my husband who spent time at Stanford receives regularly and the March 2019 issue talks about the drug issue. It's interesting that it should be something of last month and I think what the Portuguese story and experience tells us and shows is that it provides evidence for the fact that ideas that did not start with our work were previous to work that we have done actually do work. They talk about a former professor at Stanford called Avram Goldstein who in 1979 started building the foundations of addiction science in that university and in 1993 in a book called addiction from biology to drug policy he wrote and I quote drugs were a public health problem not a law and order issue 1993 and that caffeine and nicotine were also addictive. Today the list of addictions is much longer it includes alcohol many other drugs including the new opioids smartphones sex video games caffeine food gambling social media shopping exercise all of these are addictive to many people and I think it's interesting that we can look back and see how in Portugal it was possible to have public policy conceived based on robust knowledge and evidence from different types of domains and I want to emphasize the issue of multidisciplinarity because in complex problems you need people that come from different backgrounds to be able to dialogue with each other and it's not easy each area has their own specialized words which they try to make it as incomprehensible as possible to show that they're intelligent so that others don't understand and so this is not easy to do this is a difficult thing to achieve. So I also just finished reading a wonderful book which I recommend to everybody by a man called William Davis and it has a very provocative title it's called the the happiness industry and he talks a little bit about this difficulty of dialogue and he says and I quote the language and theories of expert elites are becoming more idiosyncratic and separate from those of the public how they narrate human life and how we do so are pulling apart from each other which undermines the very possibility of inclusive political deliberation and again I think the Portuguese experience maybe because we are a small country maybe because we value human rights above anything else basically because we suffered from 300 years of inquisition and 50 years of a dictatorship that basically locked us in fear because we were liberated from that 45 years ago I think we value some of the things that human rights teach us to respect there's another book as a recommendation by David Runciman who says basically the same thing published in 2018 which he calls also provocatively how democracy ends I recommend both of these books now let me come to the Portuguese story because I think it illustrates how it's possible to develop a strategy I was simply if you want to call it some sort of a catalyst to this I was the person that least that had least knowledge about drugs and in fact when I was invited to chair this committee I laughed I said you know you must be joking this was a deputy prime minister who called me and I said I don't know anything about drugs I've never worked in drugs I have a few friends that yes but I don't I've you know I've never smoked anything it's strange you know I grew up in Africa and then went to California I'm not proud of it I'm not ashamed of it but I didn't know much about it and he said that's the reason we're asking you to chair because you don't come here with fixed ideas and I agree 20 years later I think that's true let me talk to you a little bit then about the the the Portuguese story as it's called it was it became the national strategy on drugs which we submitted to the government in in in 1998 and what's interesting is that the government didn't change a single comma of the strategy that we proposed these were the people this was a committee established during the presidency of Jean-Saint-Pierre which has been mentioned many times the prime minister was Antonio Guterres and the deputy prime minister was Socrates who was then prime minister for a few years he was the one who called me and told me that it was because I didn't know much about it that they were inviting me and these were the people involved these were as you can see a very multidisciplinary group of people from criminologists they even have a biophysicist that's me and a few psychologists a nurse an attorney general an adjunct and these people worked they they worked for about four and a half months this was an immensely sort of work driven group that for four and a half months worked we established different groups that were responsible for different strata for different chapters in the strategy and these were the ones that you can see here in prevention we had the Niaf and Payu in treatment risk reduction and re-socialization Drongo Lung who's here with you today and who's been active in this area for a very long time he probably knows more about it than I wouldn't I don't want to exaggerate but like many of you he's been associated with this for a very long time and nun Miguel in the legal framework international perspective with Lawrence Martins research and training by Kandahar and organization impact and I've put at the bottom in red something which did change the way we worked we decided to have public hearings about the strategy all over Portugal we organized we rented cinemas cinemas that took up to 800 to a thousand people to have public discussions about what we were doing and that was probably the one the one event there were several we did half a dozen or more that touched me the most because there you had real people who would come us up to us at the end of the meeting you know the cinemas were completely full of people there were people sitting the security people were very worried because they were not allowed but they were sitting on the floor around the the the place where we were talking and people came up to us in tears at the end of these discussions which went on for about four hours thanking us for doing the work that we were doing and this was humbling because we had real people ladies you know small 85 year old ladies who would come and would grab us and would thank us for the kind of work that we were doing at that time it was it was very touching it was very motivating and it helped us develop the work further the timetable seemed almost impossible we were given the task um in uh septem in i think it was i think february of 1998 the strategy was delivered in the summer of 1998 it was approved and adopted by the government in 1999 and i suspect a few weeks later signed by President George Sampai because it doesn't become law until the president signs it and it emphasized essentially three main aspects integrated policies you can't try to solve this by just looking at one aspect you have to have an integrated policy across both education training harm reduction judicial policies international policies the way you do you train future researchers in the area it was prevention was a very important aspect shift from criminals to patients and somebody recently said well now maybe we should use it from criminals to patients and now to human beings which is perhaps how we should look at the this whole issue and trust accumulated and robust knowledge between the people that were working here 20 years later the results are impressive i don't think we solved everything at the time the whole issue of procurement of the drugs was not dealt with at that time it still needs to be addressed and although not perfect the strategy gained enormous momentum the government decision to adopt the strategy in early 99 was bold and very controversial we were told that international government many governments in the world and international organizations would take us to international courts when we did this we were we were threatened that this would never pass in the in in in in the legal system internationally and it was possible because it was based on the most reliable existing knowledge which you know evolves very rapidly these days but that what we had at the time had the most knowledgeable people working a capacity to listen to many stakeholders i think this is probably the most important aspect of the strategy the fact that we were able to listen and to understand what we were listening to and to be able to then trust the people that could then develop a strategy for the future and as you all know many of those who've had boyfriends and girlfriends and have been married trust takes a long time to build and can be destroyed and can be in a very short moment it's extremely fragile in portugal the strategy has been sort of oscillating has been going you know there's some moments that are more positive than others i think looking back 20 years i think we've done we've done we've done well it was it was very risky at the time i don't think it's risky anymore and i would like to end with three ideas and these are from people that i respect a great deal a philosopher a writer and the first one simply says take care of freedom and truth will take care of itself and what he's referring to there is take care of the freedom to ask questions take freedom respect the freedom to give different answers answers that are not old answers that are new that are innovative and truth will take care of itself and i like the fact that truth is written written with a little t not with a big t because it evolves and the second one is very clearly demonstrated by our strategy which has the voyage of discovery has less to do with finding new landscapes than looking with fresh eyes and we have problems sometimes looking with fresh eyes we after a certain time our eyes are no longer so fresh and if we have other people asking questions that we've never heard before maybe our eyes become fresh and my final message is supposed to be an african proverb i'm very proud i was born and raised in moza and beak and then in south africa and then i spent 20 years in berkeley this is a wonderful quote if you want to go fast go alone if you want to go far go together and i think the group showed that that was the way to move and thank you for having me here to tell you the story amazing amazing eh so now maybe realize why we did invite professor elshand quintanilla to come here and join you know his ideas and thoughts with us and his work