, like the idea that indy inspired him to do service for the country that got him killed But instead they sell it as he did it to piss me off and then he died Oh, you know, I I occasionally have arguments with my parents and do drastic things like going and joining the army and fighting the rack For example, that's a thing that just happens I mean, it's only some odd things to do really So, yeah, uh, it's all you know as as was said, I I do agree in isolation The performance was pretty strong from it's nice to see Harrison Ford acting every once in a while You're in there um Then the next scene starts it's the morning and she's uh, she's pulled out a flask from some draw and she's like Promising because it might be alcohol in there. Then she sees a guy walk past it without a shirt on and she goes more promising it was um It's weird enough on its own because you're just like, okay We're doing that. I don't I don't know why this like it's just more things for Phoebe Wallabridge's characters pile on I guess because you wonder like is this going to be an aid of anything? Unfortunately, it only adds to some problem. I'm gonna have a little bit later. We'll get there and then she finds dynamite and uh Presumably pockets it there I don't know because she's gonna have it later, but Uh, indy looks like it takes it off her and puts it back. So I don't know He doesn't even just put it back He takes it off and he kind of throws it back into the draw. Yeah, that's kind of risky if that dynamite is old I've seen the last I remember what happens when dynamite gets old and people have mishandled it and it explodes randomly So it's kind of lucky that it was in fairly good condition because he just threw it back into the draw And they could have all died in that moment What film are you making me think of when you say that? There's an episode of last where it happens Could be lost and I'm thinking of what visual am I thinking about is some story where the yeah, there is old explosives But they're so old that just uh moving them enough will make them explode. What is that? Chat help me out. I want to read some of your examples and then see if it is kind of annoy me I can picture it, but I can't think of what it's from I'm thinking is I've got the imagery of like an explosive that's like, uh, so to speak bleeding Yeah, that's it. Well, it might be from something else as well But that episode of lost is they have to try and open one of the doors to a vault somewhere and they found some very old dynamite It's bleeding. It's kind of all moldy and leaking and congealed and they have to carry it out really carefully They carry it all out And then they think they've disarmed it and the guy who's been teaching them how to do it Lift one up and says and if you do this with it and he goes bang Lord people saying it could be well well west that might actually be a because I watched that a bunch when I was a kid, but I don't remember It wasn't jango Uh, I can't remember what sets off the dynamite there So people saying hot fuzz. It's definitely not hot fuzz. I know that back to from that memory No, they'd be thinking about the mine, but that was that was typically a little mechanism getting activated It's not quite the same. It could be it could be lost as well. I'd have to check. Oh the rock. Maybe Maybe maybe I need to rewatch that So, uh, the kid isn't coming with because he can't swim something that they tell us that only has a Anti-pay off and that's it And by that I mean he swims Let's say the guy says no anyone can swim It's just was it pull and kick is that what he says and then Later on we supposed to buy that that's how he figured out how to swim was that guy saying that it's that easy Yeah, apparently I had a friend who never learned to swim and he has still never learned to swim and he has tried several times And we've told him in theory how the thing works But there's a big difference between sort of understanding in theory and deploying in practice But yeah, this is this is what the film considers set up and pay off I guess Um, they go relatively deep and he says to avoid the bends you just go down and then come back up within three minutes I I just thought it was funny.   Okay That can't be that's right.  I thought the idea was to avoid an abrupt change in pressure But that's what I thought too that the bends was specifically that it was very quick And then the way that to the point that uh, yeah, like they're just meant to be a slower decompression There's what yeah, no idea. You're supposed to go down slowly go up slowly But it sounds like yeah, it sounds like it's actually the opposite of what the film says But I don't know. I have no idea Google away so They I mean this can be summarized relatively quickly they go down they find a chest It's for some reason covered in electric eels or are they even electric eels? There's regular eels No, they're just eels, but get it. They're like sea snakes for the problem is he's The reason why I was wondering if they were electric eels because he says if you get bitten by one It'll lock your jaw No, no, no says they will lock their jaw Oh, they lock their jaw good because I was gonna say like There's no fucking way those things were electric eels with the results they get but the thing is Indiana Jones is attacked by like a horde of them Oh, yeah, it's a lot I was just gonna say if there was any damage they could do then surely it was done, you know But there's there's no I mean he gets shot in this film and he doesn't care So why would I even bring up the eels not much point on that? Um, so they get that they open up the thing there's the Or I could they bring up the chest or whatever anyway bad guys arrive and How did they know to be here? I think it's because they had the notes. They based it off the notes I think sorry Because I know this is one a lot of people said they just fucking turned up here And it's like I think the film wanted us to believe that they did it because of toby jones's notes That's all I got Yeah, I mean I was kind of unclear on that point I guess you'd have to run with that because there's no other explanation for how they could possibly have got there And yeah, they launch they go down they find the chest remember They got a three minute cap and then they see like There's a bit of conversation back and forth discovery Then we see a ship in the distance and then they get to their ship and get to the point where They're fucking around on their ship before they've even come back up and I was just like the time You doesn't seem right at all Oh, no, it's like super far away and then we cut to below the water and they're just there immediately It's like oh that's And so now to help explain we've got four people deep underwater you have uh at the deepest point in the ship is Indiana Jones feeble wall bridge and I think antonio bandiris is a little bit further up The guy at the highest point is shirtless guy that she thought was hot, right? He's just on lookout.   I found it very confusing I wasn't sure why that had happened. It's even worse. Not only does he not do that Nobody does that for him. They all just watch him as he drowns.  They've taken over the ship It's just another moment of we've been captured because it just keeps on happening um So the scenario now is they're all on the ship Antonio Banderas is there And uh the question from volar is basically translate the graphic coast to us You know now and jones is like No, and the first thought I had was like dude. Why don't you just translate it wrong? Take the information in for yourself and just tell them it means something else It's not like the obvious thing to do.  He's not clever enough to do that.  It's like it's a language. They don't remotely recognize you could have made up literally anything And then read what it actually is for yourself That happens quite a lot. I mean you remember like multi-verse of madness when wander takes wong up to the the evil doom temple And he's the only one who can possibly translate and she's got nothing holding over him anymore And he just helps her because that's what the plot needs him to do at that given moment rather than misdirecting her Um, there's a few other things like that. I've come out recently I'm trying to think of another specific example But yeah, this this idea that you can only either help the bad guy or die Because that's the only two options the script could conceive of When it's so obvious that you could do something so much better than that Just lie and misdirect and there's no way they could possibly know you were lying to them But Fuck it. Here we are. That would be difficult apparently Well, the plot would come to an end at that point Oh, yeah, it must keep going. We can't have that because the plot wouldn't carry on It's not like you have other options for writing like to make it to make it work. Mm-hmm One part of this problem is it's like all right, indiana. You're pretty experienced They've asked you to do a thing and you've said no. What do you think happens next? Several people in the room you care about. I mean we I mean it literally happened in the last crusade Which is why it annoys me. It's like he should be able to know what happens next So he needs to have a plan. He's come up with something and that's what he'd come up with He'd be like if I read this for you You have to promise to let us go and the guy is like I don't have to promise to do anything. Dr. Jones, you know some kind of villain thing and then he could be like Listen, I know that you're just gonna kill us all anyway So, you know, give me this give me some leverage and I'll help you like make it sound like he's giving something up And then trick him Run the scene the exact same way you have here with a dynamite preparing it while Jones is doing the thing But no they give it all to her.  He doesn't have to do any stunts It's like give it to indy let him do it. No Oh, yeah, there's a question. Did she even lie? I thought it was just that the wax had the misdirection carved into it That might be true and that you need to burn it away or whatever, but I thought that she gave them The wrong information anyway She I think she said that she deliberately gave them the wrong information I think so. Yeah In any case, of course, I've gone a little bit further ahead.   They just shoot him through the heart one working leg And he stands up on the one working leg that's just been shot.  It's like, oh, this is great.  Here we go. Jonesy.   I think at one point But that's that's not yet.  There's a guy in the background just dragging antonio bandera's office like cool There he goes And yeah, you get all of that the explosion and she's high on the adventure of it all she's like this is amazing And then he says my friend was just murdered Then she goes sorry anyway, and then they start talking about the thing again Yeah, it's the parallel really of the scene earlier, which I mean you praise which is you know when he finds the museum teacher Or the school teacher is dead and he does actually pause and the film Takes a bit of time to make sure we understand that these innocent people who've just been made to Suffer and die needlessly Whereas this one does basically the same thing. It's just it doesn't really Care about them at all.  Because it really wants me to think she's a good person, but I really don't Yeah, um, and yeah, I don't I don't I want to give some credit for that line But it really is tiny amount of credit because the scene should go the tone doesn't respect it at all It's more of like a throwaway like people did die back there and that's probably not good And it's like yeah, anyway, yeah, it's also my friend But hey, uh adventure because we cut right back to the whole like oh, how cool you lit the thing on fire The wax moves away and now we've got a like a disc that gives us more things to decode. Whoo. That's just like Yeah, man, all those guys lives are over for helping you Yeah, I don't know the whole thing makes me super uncomfortable. I just don't like it at all Also, I mean the the dynamite as an escape tool is is an interesting one because I I've lived on a boat I still have it if anyone wants to buy a boat get in touch because I'm trying to get rid of it But I'm pretty sure if I put a stick of dynamite on the floor of my boat and I lit it and it exploded That boat Would be gone I don't think it would have survived and still been floating after I'd done that and yet this one does survive the dynamite explosion And I assume it's the means by which they follow them eventually You must not be familiar with writing because they need the bad guys to have a boat If we if we make it so the boat blew up because of the dynamite That would ruin the story. So we can't do that Yeah, better look next time with the little nitpicking. Okay What you said doesn't even make sense. Why would dynamite blow up something? That's not what it's known for You fool.  By the way that she had the dynamite at all I was like, did did none of them get patented down. They didn't take like any precaution of whether or not they have a fucking guns or maybe a stick of dynamite on them I mean, I guess we're still unclear when she actually got it because apparently Yeah, no, I don't know when she got it exactly So she must have taken it while she was doing her little translation I don't know how she could get away with that I think that they had one of those, you know those shots that always tell you oh that item's important where there was a shot that focused in on the Stick of dynamite. I'm pretty sure there was a shot like that And I guess you talk about before they went down or after damn I I I can't remember if it was before or after but I know that there was that shot Well, yeah, um, the other thing about it is funny is that if Vola wasn't smoking a cigarette in that scene, what was she gonna do? Die Like she needs a spark Yep, I guess I guess india's a lighter. I think so she could have just tossed in the dynamite That's the thing. She does it as well and she when she threw it. I was like you're blowing up a boat You know what that means like you are blowing up a boat No, it always works out because whatever she decides to do is just sort of you know, just everything sort of shakes out for the best It's all good Even if the boat doesn't sink because of the dynamite which it would but even if it didn't Because the hull is usually made of steel the floors in boats don't tend to be made of steel and certainly nothing is thick as The steel at the hull of the boat fire moves in the direction of least resistance All the force of the explosion will be channeled via the cylindrical hull upward Towards the top. So everyone in that room is dead. Even though it doesn't sink. They're all completely gone But but no because again the film needs to carry on happening.  Yep I'm a bit tired of the the trope of like Indy doing the hard work to get the thing and then he's surrounded by the bad guys and the bad guys like I must thank you for bringing me the thing dr. Jones Um, I was hoping they'd like think of something clever this time around No, we definitely got that coming in Indy would say before he went underwater like stay vigilant make make sure they don't come aboard and take you all hostage while I'm down there Yeah, there was no plan for that Even though they knew presumably because they said they had the notes that they would eventually reach them So they should have by the way Had they been 10 minutes later?  They're all like And then it just shows vola grab binoculars. So we mentioned this earlier, but he just watches indy's boat and then goes wait a minute They're not heading where they said they were they're going somewhere else And then there is really weird because he doesn't say it immediately He picks up the binoculars and watches them Then we get the map sequence with the classic red line and it's implied that lots of time is passing Then we come back to him with the binoculars and he says Hey, man, they're they're going west Yeah, but not you could you already know this because that's immediately obvious to you surely second they start to leave Yeah, um, and that's follow follows them the whole way Yeah, I get you can tell they're probably in the editing room on that map scene and it's like well the audience get it That they're following them. No, we got to throw this extra bit. I don't buy they're heading west If vola is in binocular distance of seeing where they're going then they must have known he was following them, right? They're just look behind them be like, oh that boat's been following us this whole time. So that's probably vola actually Yeah, but no, they don't they're completely surprised that vola manages to find where they are Yeah, it didn't need that cut back over the map scene. There was already a shot there where you can see him looking at the boat uh Going away and you can just draw from that like oh, maybe he knows where they're going Maybe he'll follow them Well, a lot of people point out like no way he could know where they were going just based off northeast southwest, right?  Oh bit to the right bit to the right. Yeah, you gotta keep going Yeah, because you know it's like I don't actually have any clue where they're going just follow the distant boat But don't get too close don't want them to realize we're following them If he doesn't have line of sight to their boat, he has no idea where he's going. Is that right? Yep So he must Logically have been following them within eye line of them So they must have known that he was following because and as soon as they find that out There's a good chance you'd want to be like, well, we don't want to land exactly where we need to go We should go somewhere else and then move to where we need to go I think the problem at that point is that uh, he will have figured out where they were going simply because They were heading west it's too late. No, but yeah, but that's fine. If they say Sicily is a big place, you know I will so I think that the problem is that They know that it's got to be the exact place that they end up going because I think it says it's only one or two places So I think that's like the only place that they would head Like they're screwed as soon as they know they're I don't know that's true because right as indy says that Teddy's the reason they know it's that cave Oh, well, then yeah, then I have no idea It's certainly the cave if not the island because I think thing he's right about that They would know it was Syracuse because it is true that the dark comedies only lived in Alexandria and Syracuse and nowhere else So if Volta knows that then Yeah, he will know they're not going to Alexandria. So he must know they are going to Syracuse, but We're in Syracuse and it's not a tiny island That's what I'm saying like if they because they're surprised that he's chasing them.  Teddy's angry. It's like why? Well, because you're doing all this adventuring when I thought we were in this for the money The few wall bridges like oh, don't worry. We totally are in it for the money I'm the one who's in charge and then indy goes. Hey get over here and help me And then she goes over and helps and so that's supposed to be like a signal to to uh, teddy That's like see really indy's in charge and that sucks.  Turns the corner and sees him getting put into a van and they drive off and he's like, oh no They caught teddy I was like, why are they driving away with teddy instead of capturing indy and people bridge Because screw you All right. Well, I think they said oh, well, he'll leave.   Don't know how time works. I guess that's okay See when you have a problem like that, you know, it's like, hey, that's just one of a couple right one of a couple hundred Because I don't know if you guys have seen it But there are there are several tweets that are like, you know, this one's getting a lot of hate I don't see why it's actually a lot of fun. It's like It's awful And we had a scene where it's been like, well, that was pretty good No, not one I did I did actually have someone in in these pretty much these exact words when I said on twitter It wasn't as bad as I thought it was only because it didn't make me eat my own face off And they said it was a perfectly acceptable action film. I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept Oh That's because we don't all have your incredibly low standards. Um, some of us pay attention to the films that we watch But I don't even think you have to pay attention to this film to understand that it's Deeply flawed and entirely soulless. That's not something that it takes a huge amount of like deep reading to understand It's self-evidently absurd There's weird too that indy says how much fuel we got and they say it's full on the boat Like how is it full? Didn't they Have a whole trip to get to where they are No, I'm not going to check the fuel amounts of the ship They were in versus the amount of distance they had to travel but I have a feeling there might be something there as well Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It's like, oh, is it even with a full tank? Will they make that trip? I don't know I don't I don't know Screenwriter filled it back up. It's okay. No, that's nice of him um So, yeah, we're at the we're at the cave and apparently the clue is a whisper Can be like a hurricane and he's like you're going to get to the part of the cave where your echoes are the loudest I didn't There's bits of this that I like because it is the era of dionysus is is actually a Tori well, it's a tourist attraction. That's what I don't like about it I don't think really ideally at least you make the super secret location a tourist attraction because That just poses all sort of questions like why hasn't it already been found? But it was in myth. I think the myth was created by caravaggio though. Um, so it's not actually Established law of the cave that um, yeah, if you got to a certain point then there is this this confluence of echo Which which I can't what the effect of that is you're not you can't actually go there in real life anymore I don't think that part of the cave has now been sealed up But it is famous for its its echo effects and the echo is supposed to either reveal a piece of knowledge Or to really maximize the sounds of a tortured prisoners because dionysus of syracuse was a famous asshole Even by ancient greeks standards other ancient greek dictators thought that dionysus was unpalatably tyrannical So nice little bit of history there that the film doesn't really understand or do anything with because I think all they were doing was googling for tourist attractions in syracuse and that's the one they came up with Was it's unreal to me that they figure out the big secret entrance is a couple meters up from where the echo is The loudest and it's just this hole and it's like nobody's Nobody's gone through there Tourist attraction. Nobody checked that Was dionysus the guy that used the brass bull on people To torture them Quite possibly yes He did lots of nasty things I mean that cave one of the theories for the origin of that cave is that it was just used as a prison to torture people Um, right. None of that really makes it into the films out there. Well, well, it is torture So I guess some of it did but it's not torture in canon right On just in case anyone was confused someone to just say wait Syracuse, New York. Yes, New York Exactly So, uh, they Cross a bridge go through a spooky bug room. This is actually mentioned earlier that it's really weird that indy is like It just felt like the obvious opportunity to finally show Helena struggling with an environment for once But uh that felt like such a box ticking scene, you know It's like we need an icky bug scene. Here it is And it was like CGI bugs. It's not even cool like in the old movies. They used real bugs. It was like You know had some texture to it.  I mean no one ever will ever say that any Indiana Jones film is is historically accurate But at least they did interesting things with the grail myth and they did interesting things with Waiters of the Lost Ark and they actually tied it into various different sort of symbolic locations and symbolic items And that's the mean but well by those means he discovers the place he needs to go to to find The thing to find a thing to find a thing Where's this one?  Well, he said Eureka when he got in the bath and that's basically this entire puzzle scene So you've taken one of the most interesting Archimedes is largely responsible for Geometry as a discipline He was way more proud of anything he did in terms of theoretical physics than he was His fairly bog standard inventions and yet this film has just taken the most shallow understanding of something that he once said and made that basically the crux of this film's Historical appeal and it's just it's so boring for a film series That's supposed to really venerate history that they should go in for Yeah, just tourist attraction history like this. It's there's no interest in it Barely any depth to any of these scenes of the whole there's no even time to really think about anything either in terms of just The architecture or the deeper meaning behind the history that would have created something like this It really felt like what if there was a pool? And like, you know, you think like oh don't step in the pool, but no you do step in the pool Yeah Anyway Displacement Contraption thing felt very like all right. Let's just get on with it Let's do the puzzle so we can get to the room with the thing in it It had nowhere near the weight or like excitement of like the trials at the end of crusade You know I'll think raiders where you know He has to use the staff of ra to find the location in one tomb to go and find the location of a second tomb Which he has to dig all the way down and rappel down into and it's it's tricky It requires intelligence and physicality and at the end of it There's a setback of course because he's discovered and it's it's just so much more engaging than yeah They find a cave that no one really has any business not knowing about already because it's been there and it's a tourist attraction They put some stuff in a bath and that's it And I think that's so cheap Surely you can find something more interesting to do They've put this level of effort into finding that hole the bad guys they get into the cave which is as far as teddy's knowledge goes and then Boyd Holbrook just just walks up to the way our characters went up there and I don't know if he was supposed to have spotted something But he's like crouched down and just goes You know boss over here and then vola comes along and goes. That's where they went Doesn't he point to the light arc which is so that they used the riddle to find the place where they could see the light arc And the other guys just follow them to the place where there is the arc of light and they look up at the arc of light and say Hey, maybe it's up there But if they can do it without having to solve the riddle first then anyone else could have done that already This is the thing the the clue about the Present moon thing.  They were here So then we get a the kid nearly escapes and so they decide right we've got a We got a handcuff him to big chungus And then we'll put the key to the cuffs in big chungus's back pocket while the kid Is behind him The pickpocket. I don't see what I I can't see what could possibly go wrong I don't know what you mean. So then as they're crossing the bridge the kid pickpockets the key out of his pocket because obviously The guy realizes right when the kid's got it And then he tries to like wrestle it from him, but they're on the bridge. So they both fall into the water And as the bridge breaks, right? um Pretty sure it breaks I guess that he's because does he use the bridge to get back later or is there a different that's why i'm pointing that out That's why I said it didn't break I guess it doesn't break but doesn't it?  I don't know. I only watched it one time, but Yeah, I'm pretty sure it broke I need to give it a I know that they They like look at them having fallen in the water and vollers like leave him Yeah, I don't remember seeing a shot of the bridge after that. I think they fall through the bridge I'm pretty sure that is what happens Well, yeah, so there's a thing that's holding about being dangerous to cross and when they're going across So most of them are taking care and then when the big guy goes across There's a long sort of lingering shot on his feet and it's wobbling a lot and he's going really slowly And i'm i'm sure they fall through the bridge Yeah, well, yeah, obviously it's been highlighted because they leave this cave later on a bridge. It's very explicitly shown So it's just like I guess there was another bridge somewhere else that is another entrance into this place So Anyway They're falling through And it's like the water so strong the stream of it takes them underwater and through like a little passageway There's a grate with a hole in it The kid the kid is small enough to fit through it And then he gets the key and hooks himself and then hooks the The the cuff back onto the grate The the grate with a hole is too big for the guy to get through anyway and swims away And it just has a shot of the guy screaming as he realizes he's just gonna drown now.  Definitely.  That's all And what luck that that hole was there in the grate few Yeah, yeah, you know Oh, yes Could have just been the great wasn't there and so there's none of this happens It could have been the great was there and no hole so they just both die.  Oh, yurgin says yurgin says leave him So he evidently doesn't really care that much Yeah, yeah Well, but I mean I mean, he's got a they got a they got to keep him around they got to find some way to keep Do you guys see like how like this plot is like tied together by Like strands of hair Chewing Um, there's a conversation that's had as well between indiana and uh A feeble bridge He says you're sure they won't hurt him and he says he'll be fine Where'd you find him? He says he tried to steal my money once and we were inseparable ever since And he says I thought you were just about the money Because I am Nobody memorizes their father's notebooks just for the money I was more interested in the fact that she just said I've been hanging around with a little kid as my helper because he tried to steal my money once and I stopped him I was like, oh You mean short rounds backstory Like one to one the backstory of a short round. You just you just right now And indy doesn't recognize this at all or have any comment about it. I was like, oh Does james mangled no Like Starts to you know draw your mind back to man. Why isn't short-rounded in this movie? Why isn't he the successor to indiana jones? It's it's actually insane because uh, it's impossible to have like she was saying it and I was like, oh Here we go. We'll have some more member berries about short round like indiana'll be like, you know I used to know a kid who'd pretty talented pickpocket.  I don't know. Why don't you just send it for the money?  You still wear the ring Yeah, thanks for having absolutely no trust in me as a viewer to figure these things out. Oh, yeah I mean if you want the audience to see the ring just have a shot of the ring on his hand like an insert And then maybe you have a shot on febe like looking down at the ring. She sees it, but she doesn't say anything That's all you need It's a little too someone might miss that and we wouldn't want to write a story where you could miss anything That happens in it. God forbid you show don't tell in a movie God forbid the viewer potentially misunderstands what's happening in the story We don't want to have that Don't have any confidence in the brains of our viewers So it's um, it's worth mentioning indy and thingy decided they're gonna try and get the dial before Bola does because the kid will be able to guide them relatively here as well But luckily they don't like indy doesn't believe that vola would harm the kid Which is funny considering what just happened.  They discover the crypt. They open it up. They find the dial piece And then they just sort of have a little sit and look around like This is the dial. This is it reminds me of multi-phase of madness. We're just like, yep, this is the thing we need Okay, and then if you all bridges like, you know, it's weird these images of a phoenix have propellers on them The indy's like that is weird. How about that? Hmm. Oh god And at that point then they have a drink of water they read a magazine And at that point it does hit you matter. Well, you're right. It's just like, oh fine We don't even worry about that the viewers we need to be careful chat. I'm gonna die if we drop all that out of it once, okay? You can't dump that much on somebody without you know, Right now they're listening to us like break this down and they can probably follow it They're not gonna follow it very soon. It's gonna be completely lost This is the part where we're right at the cusp of the film absolutely descending into incomprehensible Real close.  Oh now he's got the dial There's this really weird moment where vola puts a gun to feeble wall of bridge and he's like you can choose between the dial and your goddaughter and i'm just like, no You've got all the leverage. What do you mean choose just take it off him And then indiana like passes the dial and they show her recognizing that like wow, he gave he gave up the dial for me Like what do you think would happen? You choose you and then just take the dial Yeah, like there's no choice to be made here. It's like give me this or die Like yeah So weird it's such a forced mode of like, uh, see that meaningful character choice. Like no you've done it wrong You could have you could have set it up to be a meaningful character choice, but in this situation he has no leverage I I don't know if this constitutes strain too far into the incomprehensible part of the film But before he hands the dial over they have discovered that there is a modern watch That's true A modern wristwatch is on Archimedes skeleton, that's odd. Yeah, it's not only on it. It's in the dial, isn't it? It's a part of the mechanism So I think so. Yeah the dial has been created with a watch that won't exist for another few thousand years I wonder where this could possibly be going Yeah, put that in your pocket And so in this scene here we are yet again with the I must thank you for getting the thing for me dr. Jones again And I knew this was gonna come as soon as that line they're heading west.   Should we should we get out of here? And then they see indy get shot?  Then she's like no indy and then leaves and I don't know.  I completely forgot how long in this film he spends shot and bleeding It's probably like 25 30 minutes or something Yeah, to be fair, it looks like if I was to be very definitive that he was shot in the Upper his upper left torso. It's not quite his shoulder. It looks like it's more so on his torso But it's it's funny how they handle it because the first time we see him back.  It's like action scene. Whoo.   Come to fruition. Haha I'm sure nothing will go wrong Yeah, and it's it's the kind of thing where it's just like as a Movie watcher is like indy's gonna do something at some point.  According to yogin's theory Of what he's going to go on to do He could leave indy in the present and he would still have seen what the results of that would be Because you can't really ignore the fact that he's changed all of history So he doesn't need to take him with him in any way Even if he does want him to see masochistically the results of his his evil plan come to fruition He could have just left him here and he would have seemed exactly the same thing If you were like all the like the with the writing teams saying that they already responded half of you was like, yeah, but indy's our main character If he's not there, how can the audience see?   Oh, actually we can okay moving along The scene Is like filler you don't need it It's like how are they gonna follow them when their tires are slashed like you didn't have if you were gonna not slash the motorbike ones Why slash their ones?  I don't actually know where the act breaks are in this one It's a little bit Say the low point is when volor has the dial. He's like, yes Ultimate power. He doesn't say that but it's basically that beat where he gets what he wants Well, yeah, and so for those listening who haven't seen this film The dial is supposed to give him the ability to manipulate, you know past events, right? And indy is I guess at the point of believing this is true now And so he says who you're gonna kill Churchill ike And then volor says we're going to fly into sicilian airspace august 20th 1939 We'll head north to munich where my quarry will be waiting for me Uh for an update on his v1 rocket And then he says what kind of nazi kills the furor? He says the kind that believes in victory dr. Jones Oh Hitler lit a fire that could have burned for a thousand years I saw every mistake and regret them all history's a log list of losses dr. jones.  He thinks he'll take over right that he'll you'll do everything properly coulda quote One of course at this point you need to start like you would imagine he'd have the question So what time travel rules are we working in here? Am I going to be impacted by the events that I Manipulate in the past like can I delete myself from existence? What does that look like? I don't understand why this wouldn't be something that Yeah, I was gonna say do you want to do you want to talk about the whole of it once they pass you the portal or now?  I really don't get it Like this time travel, especially when nobody wants to put in the work to actually make their time travel story function properly Like I don't understand what the obsession is. I really don't know if anything and and bizarrely Old bruce wane in the flash has put more thought into time travel than theoretical physicist Jurgen whatever his name is in indiana jones even though he's our actual physicist and bruce wane in the flash is not None of them make neither of them make sense But at least one of them kind of knew what he was talking about Whereas it doesn't seem to have occurred to to Jurgen to even ask the question I think that the problem. I think we briefly touched on this on open bar The problem is that a lot all of the other all of the other mystery all of the other um Man, my brain's not working the arc of the covenant the holy grail, you know, like these there's an element of of uh Myth and mystery that you can always have there where you don't need to get into the nitty gritty details about how exactly they work Because they're magical but the problem is like this time travel just feels like science fiction and feel like magic No, yeah This has to have rules You have to tell us how it works and then we have to think about whether or not that makes any fucking sense Which we've done 17 times lately The same problem that kingdom of the crystal skull has that science fiction and you can't hide behind myth That like there's there's a demand for an explanation for how these things work and it seems like this film It wants to be able to be like with the arc where it just says this is how it works and you basically accept it because it's magic But like you can't hear it has to work in a certain way This is a situation where there needs to be some rules the arc the the grail and even the blood of khali for example Like they they all have mechanics that are wild but still very much like they don't contradict at all They're very straightforward This one Is so much to say out of the gate. Yeah, I think if we can I'll just Set a few more things that happen and then we'll try and talk about it in depth because there's there's so much wrong And it's so incredible how this is thrown in in the last like 20 minutes of the movie We're doing this now Throughout the movie After we had the initial like flashback scene I was like, oh, I guess we're not doing Not doing any time travel stuff I guess there was just a bit of bait in the In the trailers, I guess I don't know Because there was like the whole spec relation, right where it's just like, oh fun way for those flashbacks And maybe there's like a young indy with a old indy blah blah blah There's nothing of this in here. They just I thought dial and they maybe do something I thought that they were gonna do, um We were gonna have like the past and future running at the same time that we were gonna do Yeah, maybe something like that Past indy has to do blah blah blah and future indy has to blah blah blah and you know But uh, no, yeah, it's just the flashback scene and then all the way up to now with stuff is happening Oh, yeah, and as soon as I saw that whole time no no efforts to heal him at all Yeah, as I already said When when when you see that watch or this this mural like oh fuck we're doing it Yeah We're doing something and it's not gonna be good Um, so Helena and tally teddy catch up to them And I don't know if you guys noticed but this is a shot where they're hiding from the german soldiers Behind something that's very much not concealing them and the soldiers are about five meters away Looking at the direction. I was like pretty sure all of them just saw you but that's that you know what? It's low on the list at this point and yeah, uh Helena says this part drove drinker like mad on open bars She's like, can you fly that plane? and uh He's like, I've never flown that plane and she says you've never flown any plane And it's like why did you ask whether he could fly it if he's never flown? What?  And then she doesn't even go with him to get in the plane. Yep pictures. She wants to use them I don't understand She uh the only reason these choices were made was to facilitate essentially the action scene that they're about to do Absolutely, but I think the I've never flown that plane. You've never flown any plane. I think that's supposed to be funny But then it was added on to her question, which was can you fly that plane? Like you she's the person that said that and the person that you've made do the joke She's the same person It's important to look at your script and And that's like oh, so you're just wasting time now by Making funny questions or whatever like it's not a time to be snarky You know It would be an easy thing to fix because you could just have him say you like have him look at the plane and say Hey, what about if we use that plane? She says can you fly it and he says no She says well, can you fly any plane and he says No And then okay problem solved. It's not that difficult to to make it less ridiculous It's just that they don't put any effort in so Well, yeah, yeah, there's so many ways to do it.  He's he's a kid.  Like I thought I thought I was starting this up for us But now you're you're just leaving What am I supposed to do Just prior to that chase sequence though, obviously, so they've gone to this airbase where there are Like relic planes essentially the old world war two planes because they want to fly very specifically an old I can't remember what type of plane it is but an old german bomber back into the past Right, um, and I was thinking well, but this has always been your plan You are very well connected. You have the cia under your thumb for part of this film Are you telling me that you couldn't at any point have arranged for a modern day Plane and even if you wanted to like repaint it in the narticolor So it wasn't like shot at when you arrived But you know fly something big and impressive and technologically advancing back through time Because if your whole plan is to depose hitler anyway, then that would be a more useful and be much more impressive to people And see would actually aid the war effort going forward So why did they have to go to all the trouble of finding a plane of the era when they could have used and repainted? An actually impressive one. I don't even buy the He would be able to take over. I just don't even if he brought back a really impressive. I just don't get it He lands and he's like I'm taking a is he going to kill his past self and assume his role in in the history of the world Is that the idea?    Oh, yeah, because he loves nazi so much. Yeah He also thinks we finished space. So, you know, maybe he's not that smart Can the dial take you to the future? Or is that not possible?  And and try and change history from that point like there are so many Things you could have done which are more effective than that.   Right. Right. It's all about With this logic Yeah, Helena's like in the middle of a storm just barreling down Uh You know the the road with with following the the aircraft. It's it's so hard to buy again She's doing the like i'm an action hero now It jumps into like the You know the landing gear before it prompts back up and in and she gets in that way like woody does in toy story two But wait, is that buzz who does that? Is that woody? That's woody on bullseye in it? I remember I feel like well, they try to get off the plane in toy story too Because he has to get on or they have to go well. They have to go on to save woody and then Woody has to get off the plane before it ticks off. Yeah Um, well in any case she does it she's successful and Then indy starts to spot that a bunch of I guess shit on the plane Like the metal bits on the plane are being dragged in a particular direction And I don't know if that was that's what gives him the idea of continental drift He sees the two suitcases the bullets fall off onto the floor and then he sees two suitcases I think just because of the vibration of the plane just are moving Yeah, there's moving that immediately in his mind makes him think tectonic plates. Yes This is the thing that proves that you're wrong. It's um, it's a bit of a leap Well to be fair, he's old senile and also dying. So maybe he's just dripping So well, I mean this is almost enough now that we could probably talk about it Because they're about to head into the portal that is there and the dial directed them to and indy says You can't go through that portal as directed by the dial to take you to 1939 Because the continental drift would have happened over a thousand two thousand years And that means that that portal Will take you somewhere else Except the portals in the sky are not affected by continental drift because they're not I guess his point is the dial Decides where things are based on Things on the ground or something. I don't know. I actually really am lost at this point I don't well my first question would probably be wait Is this portal always here or the the dial yeah We should roll it all the way back to yeah, are there loads of portals around it exactly Are there just loads of portals out? Is that what this he says it detects time fissures Does that mean there's just a shit ton of open portals that take you back and forward through time No, because later on Phoebe water bridge will give the line quick the portals closing Why I don't know It's incredibly lucky that they got that dial at that time so that they could execute their plan to go back to 1939 Because it sounds like if they had done that maybe two or three hours later That window of opportunity would have just been gone Well, so we get it also into the problem that it was like they like set to do all of this the way that they do it Exactly So painful that way Um, I don't even know why they need the dial like the hands on the dial point you to the big glowy thing in the sky And it's like can't you just look up and look for the big glowy thing like I get it like it's in a bunch of clouds But it isn't always cloudy in any one area. I don't think looking at no clouds. There's a flying portal Oh, so that means then that there are loads of portals that open and close at different times all the way throughout the universe question mark possibly I'm okay because the the the Archimedes dials points of reference are interstellar objects. So Because we know no, maybe it wouldn't mean all across the universe then because it's Sort of like triangulating to also the we got all this but do you remember the line? um Archimedes also, I think feeble bridge says it about how He made the device specifically to take them here at this time Yes, that's right meaning So the portal That's not that's got nothing to do with Archimedes right the portal is a natural phenomenon in this universe Yeah, but it means that he knew about it somehow. Yes somehow. He knows where the portal to 1939 is going to Oh, sorry the portal to 214 bc Yeah, he knows where that one's gonna open and he knows how to direct them to it with the dial And it opens right above a really important day in his life Just like I don't even know where to begin.  We're like, what is what is happening? So like well, they go through the portal and it takes them to 214 bc The romans besieging syracuse So we fly above the roman navy.  Isn't it? Is there going to be like dinosaurs? I didn't know what to expect one and bear in mind as well as soon as they go through the portal their engines stop working They have to restart them as they're falling including that kid who's never flown a plane before just restarts his engines Oh with his random Yeah, luckily the guy in the back wakes up at this point So does it for it but me to give that guy wasn't sleeping in there that he may have just died And they would have all been stranded there And why was he sleeping in the back of his own plane? I just don't know He's just tired. Yeah, he's really tired. Maybe his wife kicked him out. He was like sleeping in the airplane Oh, um Yeah, no amount of saying it's a closed loop is going to make this make sense by the way No, no Yeah, I want it justified as a causal loop. You have to like like what initiates the loop in the first place. How does that even Yeah, that's that problem. There is always that problem. Well the answer to that is Kind of taught is taught the logical answer is that it always happened because it always happened because it always happened Yeah, at that point the universe isn't a straight line.   It's deep For some reason the way I sorry go ahead metal. Oh, it's just even if they would do that It would probably people would find that shit in the future and it's like why is there like a 4000 old Plane in the ground what's going on? Why is there for so long?  I think I think you just said it's like if you stay here you Change time like yeah, that was really well already done that we'll get to that. It's that because yeah Obviously they arrive and as was mentioned there they need to restart their engines and stuff But then once they do they just stay really low during a war Now what's really neat about airplanes is that you can kind of avoid most of medieval technology by flying relatively up ish It's not even that far.  Is that what they're called? I guess I don't know what I want. Oh baluster. Yeah baluster.  It's it skewers them It hits one of their engines too three times or four times. None of believe it for a second So, um, the problem is that Even at the height they're flying which is way too low because they shouldn't be flying that Blisters are not generally designed to be able to shoot for What a legendary shot because nothing they're going to be shooting at will ever be that high And they get to hit multiple times like jesus What did they they have the mentors before they aimed like jesus? Yeah Those planes are quick and the fucker that launched it. What a legend. He nailed it He hit them in the engine like if he had stabbed the plane in any of the way He probably wouldn't have done anything with the engine is and he still did it He must be said he killed the dragon. You know that guy's uh, what a great guy Okay, so there's one little tiny piece of credit I'll give the film which is uh, sorry succeeded by a huge fucking problem Which is that they do sort of tease it So when they first arrive at syracuse in the present day timeline They see the puppet play and the puppet play in syracuse has dragons fighting um Fighting in the battle of syracuse and so it's sort of teasing the thing that the film will try and explain as As the presence of the planes in the past So the dragons have been passed down in folktale Up to the present day people of syracuse in in 1969 whenever we are now Which I quite like is a little bit of foreshadowing except that the only reason we know Anything at all about the battle of syracuse is that both the greeks and the romans particularly were exceptionally detailed record keepers There is absolutely no way This would have happened and if for it only to be passed down in folktale as dragons because Otherwise, we would never have known the battle of syracuse took place or who our comedies was or who killed him and why? It's it's completely unbelievable that the romans wouldn't maybe have noted the fact that there were giant metal machines flying around at this guy They had the dragons corpse was right there.  Yeah I wanted to mention that later. Yeah, because you know, uh, there's a lot of different media that does this Like a school lesson is about something but it's breaking bad is the one I would always go to right? He talks about chemical change and what it takes for something to become something else and like in that episode he's also gonna Turn from being the more mild-mannered teacher into Further going along and it's like drug dealer sort of persona. I'm pretty sure it's the one where he throws the math He's like this is not math that episode. I'm pretty sure the lesson In school is all about chemical change or whatever and it's like, oh, that's kind of interesting The more you think about how it works with chemicals. Maybe you could um Draw something out of it about how human character changes over time What journeys we go through instead of just being like, whoa, I was teaching a lesson about this war now We're at the wall foreshadowing. Oh Yeah, like that's Nice And anyone in this lecture hall tell me who's going to show up in the third act you suspicious Happy girl in the background. I haven't seen before Uh our comedies. Yes, of course So, um, it's very uh on the nose.  They're taking us down. What do we do? So they slide open one of the doors and boyd and another henchman get their pistols and start shooting randomly at the romans Lone away when that was happening.   Do you not know what guns how they work? Why Why they even have indy be like, what are you doing?   Yeah And he gets on a minigun. He gets on the minigun and starts shooting one of them guys Oh, it's so good. What are you guys doing? What are you doing? It's like somewhere in his head the question asked is why am I shooting romans because I want to save hitler and it's just That's the best summary of this action scene we have to kill the romans to protect hitler Yeah, uh By the way, devoid of humor as this film was I was laughing quite hard in the field Funny, I don't think any of this was no no laughing at this guy shooting romans with a pistol adam is Descending like what?    They're shooting at them What?  There's also really annoying go back. We're trying. Ah, let me try.  It's an inch a year. So 2000 inches. I don't know how that is in Wow 2000 inches.  Don't you worry what a billion kilometers That might even be a lot more He would have accounted or could have accounted for that because he was friends with eratosthenes eratosthenes counter Calculated the first sort of accurate curvature of the earth and also earth's axial tilt and also It's position in relation to the size of the sun and the position in relation to the sun So like he could have known Any of that you can calculate the continental drift.   It was that one.  So I figured that was the if there's any calculation involved at all It must be that and the dial somehow tells you the exact angle to approach it at otherwise What's the calculation if you can just go through a hole And no matter what angle you approach it at you're always going to come out at whatever it is 200 something bc Like what's the calculation in that case like I don't get even even setting aside the whole continent continental drifting like How can you be so precise and certain that? You know, it's going to be like Uh 1939 on the other side When there's so many like you're in this turbulent plane It flying in a storm like really you're going to fly it just the right angle You're so certain that it's going to be exactly 1939 and he is very confident when he comes out the other side for some reason He's like looking at the clouds or something and he's like, haha. Yes. We did it. It's 1939 It's like it's not going to be 1939. Is it and how did you? What makes you think that? Why are you so certain right now? I don't get it At all. Yeah, I said the Archimedes who did not know about continental drift Created the dial to bring people back and got Cosmically lucky that the people in the future who used the dial forgot that Archimedes didn't know about continental drift Is that how that works? I think that what we're meant to conclude actually is that indy was just like wrong completely That it was fucking irrelevant like the continental drift that didn't matter at all It was always there was only one portal and it like yeah, I think by the time you hit the end of this They want to make it as simple as there's nothing to consider except this device will lead them through this portal That will lead them to this time in order to make all of this happen Yeah, I think that's all that there is to it Which is they didn't play the portal with the dial that they like the portal was already there.  Oh, no I mean wouldn't it been like made more sense for jergen to go back to Raiders of the last arc to ensure the nazis get the arc and so their armies are invincible And so they win like there's just any number of different possible permutations of things he could have done But he would also have known about right No, it has to be 1939 because I love nazis Or the yeah hang on nazis and also hate hitler. Yeah, I was thinking about something So our comedies made this thing that makes portals or whatever Oh, why did he why did he make the portal appear like somewhere up in the air? He didn't make the portal appear. It was already there Make the portal appear. It's just that there was you knew that it would be there because of this event And he guided them to that even Even know how I don't want to talk about it anymore They're plane crashes um and do a shot down. Well before that We got a helena Is getting onto the ship and she pulls a lever that sends all a bunch of the backup nazis just fall out And as she's trying to climb over it There's a guy who's hanging there looking for like oh god, then she says sorry.  It just doesn't match at all just like every single second. It's like I get reminded. Oh, yeah This is a movie to be fair this whole sequence I was just like what insane goofy nonsense But it would always be better if she wasn't in the scene is what I'm saying Further rules of this film She could well have come back through a time portal using the dial that Archimedes made that gave to indiana jones That gave to Archimedes that ended up in her hands and then she used it in the year 2023 to go back to 1969 to go back to 19 Uh, no 2063 beast. I don't even care. But yeah, it like she could have come from the future That's a possibility for her insufferable dialogue Imagine she when she opened that up and all the nazis just fall into the water and then swim to shore and just live like in time Like well time to find a trade I guess Yeah, so they immediately drown or do any of them survive and are they like pivotedly responsible in the development of roman civilization Everyone's got a lot of their ideas from the nazis Um, so yeah, uh, then And then they bail out they jump out of the plane with a parachute. Oh, yeah, she does she gets the final kill shot on uh, vola Not sure why they gave it to her, but she's the one that gets it Before he can shoot indy.  Like this is just what was all of silly This is just really really really silly compared to you know, I mean obviously the holy grail is probably the best one Of just his complete and utter ignorance of uh, of like All of this leads to his undoing compared to indy who understands all of this He's the knowledgeable one and so he prevails compared to this where it's like Yeah, I guess they screwed up and they went through the wrong portal flew really low and got hit by a bunch of uh Like arrows and then crashed Then random soldier goes to try and kill feeby wall of ridge and uh I was supposed to say hun solo.  They're all very chill with this No, it's it's very strange.  You guys go reverse the coordinates and you can go back and you'll be fine I want to stay here in this war zone. This is nice Well, so this is the thing that I was drawing from it.  I think he uses the line. I've studied this all my life.   I assume the most likely outcome I assume that was her saying like the absolute best case scenario because either he's gonna bleed out like now Or he's gonna bleed out soon or he would just be killed. I don't see how he's gonna be able to survive this No, like even even if he had everyone trying to save him, I'm not sure they can save him from that bullet wound That's gonna be I mean, also the Archimedes doesn't survive this Although the film seems a bit unsure on that point, but he's supposed to die in this battle Um, and yet apparently he has time to Finish the dial and organize his tomb to be built in the place where they have to go and find it later Oh, yeah, I'm not sure the film really allowed enough time for that to happen But on on indy, I don't know I think yeah, maybe they are coterminous It is, you know, I want to stay in history and that does entail death. Basically. Maybe you're right I think he's very strange though because Every single indiana jones film he's totally willing to essentially lose the treasure walk away from it Walk away from the thing that he'd been seeking Because it's not worth it and now here the final time after having four times made the right choice to let it go To not look at the ark to let go of the grail And then he just decides oh, I'm just gonna stay here, you know, like So yeah, he says I think he would like decide to stay if like he was so thoroughly convinced that he wouldn't be able to make it work with Marion But then at the end all it takes is her walking through the fucking door And then it's like fine again Then even then you've got the whole time problem because if he decides to stay even because of for that reason Well, he's he won't ever live in the present So basically it means that he will die or cease to exist rather in one timeline in order to exist in this timeline Um, and so he has nothing worth living for in his actual life span lifetime line Yeah, I don't know about that. I think really the most tragic thing of all though is that He's never convinced otherwise. He doesn't he doesn't almost fall for temptation and then see the light afterwards He's perfectly willing to accept this and he's just yanked out of it by somebody else because he never makes the moral realization himself Speaking of which That the line is get on the plane. I'll be all right I need to do this and then she says so do I and punches him and I happen to know Billy wall probably bridges comments on this moment in the film.      It's really aren't that bad.  How long has it been knocked out? Yeah, I wanted to see how they got back, dude, if that's what they're gonna do. Yeah Yeah, uh, so he wakes up And he's miserable And he says you should let me die basically he says stay but you know what he means and then she's like I couldn't do that He's like why not she says for starters, you'd have changed the course of history Oh Is that a bad thing? I mean, there are some pretty major implications generally when you change history. It's pretty unpredictable Indiana Jones might be one of the Main people I would ever pick from fictional characters who would never want to go back in time and change it That was that was his whole moral dilemma with the Nazis trying to use the arc for a weapon Or the Nazis trying to use the holy grail to give them eternal life in the present It was this idea that yes, the past is the past myths are myths artifacts are artifacts They belong in museums because we shouldn't be using them today um But also as far as this film goes If they have they already figured out themselves that this was Essentially a closed timeline loop because they know that Archimedes gets the watch To get the dial to be made which means they must always have gone back but if they know it's a closed timeline loop then They must already know that what they've just done is always what happens and then you could never That's really confusing is that at the end of the film He's got the completed dial and the watch like on his table So they didn't even leave it with like Archimedes So I don't even understand like if he if it was a self-fulfilling prophecy They leave the watch on the corpse of Juergen because I know she has the line he has to make that himself by the way About the dial, yeah and and so That means they are using pieces of ancient like well futuristic Nazi technology to create technology. Oh god.   It's like Woman if if if we're talking about that like it's already fucked all of it is Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I was trying to point out earlier But if there's already so much new stuff here But if he bled out on the way to the airplane just fell over and he was actually just you know Brain dead hot stop whatever it's like. Oh, I guess that that just that is what happens then.   It's not There is the argument so that's Arthur C. Clarke's maxim is that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. So Nah Really pushing but but no it doesn't work because I mean there's also there's an historic analog analog. Sorry. So when the romans left Britain in whenever it was We they'd been building with bricks and glass And the native bridge population didn't know how to do that and we didn't do it again for another six odd thousand years But the film has kind of defeated that because it points out several times That the dial of Archimedes uses technology that won't be seen again for another 2000 years because it's it's so fantastically advanced and the fact is that Yeah sufficiently advanced civilizations know how to make use of brand new discoveries in a way that Unadvanced civilizations don't and if you're telling me that the Greeks with the likes of Archimedes who pre-empt the 14th century in technology Can't figure out some kind of use for world war two era Uh technology. No, no, it doesn't actually I honestly believe if they had let's just say, you know, five machine guns They disconnect and detach them.  They're not gonna just go. This is club. Boom. Boom. That's all I do I don't know. Yeah, like You just look at the mechanics you open them up and you have a look at how everything works and you're like, whoa How did they machine this? How did they get metal to bend in such a like questions like that? Sure, but they'll be able to figure out just by clicking things and pushing buttons It's like, oh this does this this does this does this Of course, fundamentally, you've got the problem as well of how are they gonna mistake it for a dragon? It's it's metal It's not alive It's it's a it's a piece. It's a vehicle. I'm a little and they know it's a vehicle Yeah, no I'm suggesting that Even if they can't fully comprehend everything there and make use of everything It's still gonna have dramatic changes upon But we're not we're done. We're done with that. We we don't the only Neat things to facilitate the whole time thing was that Indiana Jones doesn't want to live in the present And so that's like the only purpose it serves and let's not deal at all with what we've created In terms of this time travel as an element of this world It's done it's over moving on there's only like five minutes left of the movie another good example though the romans had basic rudimentary steam engines way before the industrial revolution so they are Basically familiar with the principles that underpin like internal combustion engines and things like that and things like that So they they they would be able to see at least analogies was what they are looking at and what they already have Um Yeah, no, there's no way it can't dramatically. It's broken. It's totally broken.  Um, and so upon that comment, uh, she then says you're meant to be here indy here And then he says for who?  He has no capacity to essentially facilitate this growth himself Yeah, he can't it sounds like he's lost any meaning in life.  He doesn't get to do it Oh, yes So, but I don't even like the answers to the question the movie pause. That's right So he asked the question. Who am I here for then the door opens and marion comes in It's like then this is her just showing up right at the end of the film as though it wasn't even planned at all Yeah, um, this is something they make explicit. It's like feeble bridge. You want to settle this up? Wow, she told marion to come here. She's told marion that that indy is back. That's apparently what she told her Like Do you understand what's happening like that they had what is essentially the the bigger parts of the divorce?  And then she's like, let me guess she lied just to get me in here.  Why didn't that work?   I know that doesn't make any sense. That's a reach No, I can't I guess the only thing we're very very lucky about is that we've got feeble water bridge's character who lacks a father Who is redeeming indiana jones as a father figure and bringing marion back and she doesn't end that by saying yeah My name is such and such jones Um, that's that's something at least she hasn't done identity theft. I well. Yeah I guess, you know, we've got some other movies to compare to all that for it But uh, I don't even like that answer to the question It's like who is indiana jones here for and there's like marion's like that's not what it should it shouldn't be That indy will live because marion is here It should be that the fundamental it should be should be like I should exist because I am a meaningful person I could add to the world. I enjoy it here. I have friends. I have a job that I find meaningful I enjoy understanding history. I love the influence that all these people had on my life for the life I live no, it's just well you could get back with that odd it off girl fred Yeah, like it's it really is not like a resolution that is derived from poor aspects of indiana jones as a character Shit I hate making that his life is now about marion. It's like what? She was definitely important. What are your problem with crystal skull? Yeah Sort of retroactively giving like her way too much, but this film gives her even more even though she is less of a component of this story She's only in it for like two minutes Well, yeah, because someone just said odd it off girl fred. He married.  That's not the last crusade, which is the canonical ending of indiana jones. Absolutely It is they write off the sunset. That's the end. None of this is they did it. It's done It's exactly. Yeah, it's burning in the fire. I think that if A man gold hood everything I just said he'd be like, no, that is the point You see we show marion then we show sala then we show the kids remember earlier in the film He said that the kids were learning a lot and learning well and the indy's the reason that they were able to get over here And that they respect american and egyptian culture and history The point is all of these people are positively impacted by indy and that they're all the reason that he should stay there They're all the for you is answered by not only all of these people, but then think about it It's all of us. We appreciate indiana jones. He's a great character.  Why did you have phoebe wallabridge explained this to him and set it up somebody else? Why not somebody else? So let's say, you know, sala's around and he keeps in touch with indy and he knows He's really depressed and he knows what marion means to him So why doesn't he just tell marion? Look indy's really depressed and then she turns up and none of this happens Because because for this for this to work Then mar the phoebe wallabridge's character has told marion that indy is back that makes marion Surely quite a self-absorbed if not completely selfish person in saying that i'm not going to Be a part of this guy's life unless He is go get him up and at him and the kind of guy. I remember she's not actually going to take any agency in that She's only going to come back if she's told that he's already fixed. So what does that say about her character? What does it say about sala's character that he hasn't kept in touch enough to know how miserable indy is? What does it say about indy that he doesn't recognize what it takes to fix? How is it like none of these people come out? Well from this at all every single person even the ancillary characters are badly reduced by this story Yeah, and I I mean in kind of completely agree. I think it's kind of gross like the whole thing and How important these relationships should be and how much baggage and history there is and how much how little Phoebe wallabridge specifically would understand about any of these people and yet she's considered by the end of the film Is like the heroic linchpin that brings all of it together like you Like really come on. Yeah, like, huh?   Oh, it feels so much like a reshoot that nothing about that scene feels like it belongs with the film that preceded it I don't think they had an end in your head And then there was like when it's this will work when it happened. It's like, oh, why would we have it? What why isn't that an unbelievable sort of statement to have? I don't think they had an ending for the ending of indiana jones the film Made with the explicit goal of it being the ending of the series when the cost of 300 billion 300 million dollars And what's it opening domestic 60 million so it's gonna fail. It's gonna fail. It's miserably Also, are they um, are they expanding the definition of opening weekend because I know the box office predictions at the beginning We're doing that. It's a five-day holiday weekend.  It's like, what are my favorite movies? A movie kicks out. Uh, yeah, it's one of the best films ever made Uh, I'd be happy to say that and there's so much heart there There's so much passion behind the filmmaking so much creativity and ingenuity. They're just really fun Well balanced movies. They got lots of comedy.     This is going to be fucked. There's no way it's going to be Coherent at all. They have access to that and that's what they used it for Like they it's like a multi-verse madness It's like what are you going to do with your premise then because like I hate that you're choosing it But at least what will you do same by the way for the flash this goes Christ what a bunch of shitty films Yeah, and uh, I guess in a certain sense Is there cause for Optimism that it seems like these tricks aren't working anymore a little bit Yeah, I mean a good year for these types of projects marvel is now like their films actually have the capacity to fail Now every Lucasfilm property has been completely obliterated in terms of like future box office potential Yeah, the whole set has been completed There is nothing left at Lucasfilm that has not been plundered and raves and left in a ditch But I guess that there's one maybe medium term positive to take from that Which is that the reason Spielberg and Lucas and the like are popular anyway The reason they made their names and were given the opportunity to do that is because Throughout the sort of 40s 50s of Hollywood Then we were actually in a fairly similar position yet the rise of tv For parallel see rise of streaming and tv And that was taking a huge amount of money away from studios and in response to that studios did for cinema What we are currently seeing what they did is they tried to extrapolate and and to expand as far as possible The technological marvels that you can put on a big screen that don't fit on a small screen They wanted to do even bigger Production shots everything like all the great epics. They wanted to make it a visually splendid thing But there weren't any stories being told and these were the same old thing and eventually you saw the studio system Almost collapsed and some fairly large companies go out of business It's only after that that you get the Hollywood renaissance of the sort of 70s early 70s through to 80s And it's that period which the Spielberg come up and George Lucas come up And many of these people got their start doing tv as well Spielberg himself, you know, did early work on colombo of all things But eventually the studio started losing so much money on these big epic productions That they turned to young upstarts and said well, look, it can't possibly be worse So what have you got for us and they took risks and those risks gave us some of the greatest directors the greatest films It gave us indiana jones in in time and if we're at the sort of the the declining period of Of the 30s 40s in terms of historical parallels then Eventually there might be a renaissance coming after that, but it's it's going to be another decade probably before we start Seeing studios say yeah, maybe with all the multiverse stuff all the cgi megascapes with no story Maybe they've lost us so much money that we can't carry on it's going to be a while But these things go in cycles. They are repetitive history does repeat. So eventually you will have a recovery. It's just not yet Yeah, uh, I think you're right that it will probably take some time for them to react because I mean You know, this year has not been good for like a lot of these big franchise films It's been a lot more unpredictable which films are going to succeed and fail Whereas marvel movies were guaranteed to succeed or like disney remakes were guaranteed to succeed Like a lot of these projects are no longer reliably making money And I don't really know what this industry especially in the midst of the right distract going on like I don't know what the reaction to that is going to be Or how long it's going to take before changes start to happen in the filmmaking process But I mean every it's gone wrong.  I I thought they bought indiana jones individually. So I guess that makes more sense It's a little bit more complicated. I think paramount still has some rights to indiana jones like distribution or something But it was part of the lukas film Deal essentially and they wouldn't turn up and like they love franchises or maybe they did but now it's not really It's not uh, I'm going willow's fate was to be removed from disney plus, right? What six months after it came out and it got like critically panned and nobody watched it Indiana jones is set to be one of the biggest like record breaking losses ever because of how insane the the budget balloon And then do I even what do I need to say about star wars? What did they do to that? Absolutely incredible work. So yeah, they know and they know They they got serious and somebody's to answer for all of this Oh, it's just they can delude themselves into thinking that people think these films are good But at the end of the day if people aren't showing up to watch the films like you can't keep going like this You can't keep going like this. You're just losing money And that's what the world compelled them to change in the long run But um money the interesting the interesting thing is that you've got A number of smaller studios or studios that began smaller which actually are a result of the hollywood renaissance and lukas film Is one of them pixel would be another one later on Both of which are now in dire straits because they are owned by moribund and intellectually bankrupt old studios which are Trying to leech profit off of things without really understanding what value That's that eventual loss of money the fact that everything because it's not just a lukas film problem It's not just a catherine kennedy problem. It's a disney problem. It's it's a paramount problem It's it's a problem with a huge number of large studios at the moment And the fact is that they do not any longer understand what created the value behind the properties They are now exploiting that means they will lose money that means eventually some of them will go bust And after that you will get a bit of desperation which prompts more innovation And maybe there'll be a new star wars or a new indiana joins And it won't be star wars or indiana joins anymore It'll be a brand new story because these things have been tied to corpses and dumped in the sea And like you mentioned before as well It will be the new filmmakers the new james camerons and stephen spielberg's george lukas's martin scorsese like That new generation of directors who right now with the studio system with uh like marvel where they make one Entity film and then get snatched up into these 200 million dollar ruins Well, and it's the same problem that the video game industry has right now with crunch Right who's going to be the next like hideriko jima kori bar log miya moto all these guys When so many people are you know like so many so much young talent is being uh Lost because of crunch Like permanently sort of uh, they don't want to be part of the industry anymore Like it's it's because it's it's the people who make the it's the people who make these things That like make the value that make the art It's not just indiana jones is like an intellectual property and the desire to turn it into a film And having the money to back it up. It's the it's the creativity behind it Like you need that. Well, I think that was illustrated heavily with star wars over a long period of time. I say long What is it like 2015 to now sort of like this journey? It's sad, but it's yeah, it's it's the star wars was a name and you know star wars were so incredible It would have characters that carry as much as an ip name like obi one like vader like The rest of them and they've all been squeezed And it's just crazy to think yeah lucas film is a dried corpse Uh, yeah pretty much. Yeah, and and in what eight years.  I mean I only took star wars three years to get to that point incredible Absolutely incredible a huge leg of uh, disney is is gonna be lucas film is like another one is marvel What have they got next the marvels? That's that's what marvels secret invasions viewership is like the second most of all No one cares about that show nobody and What's it gonna look like what's it gonna look like with echo or iron heart?   Even when the ideas are misguided. It's like wow just Yeah It's been a cool year for video games. Oh hard lads. Yeah, dead space Resident Evil 4 breath of the white not breath of tears of the kingdom Metro primary master fun of fantasy 16 is pretty cool. I've been enjoying that. That's lots of cool video games Yeah Oh golem who could forget golem a legend Golem will love the second one a scrap. It's done.  We're developing We're just publishing now. They died of embarrassment. I think yeah That's insane. Um, sorry guys. You won't get a follow-up on the golem streams.   Yeah, but they exist and they're great It's because I get asked the question quite often I'm sure you guys will do as well But you know when you give a pre-emptive review on twitter or somewhere and people say is it worth me watching and almost always I really want to say well make your own mind up go and watch it and find out This is one of the few films, but they are increasingly common where I say, you know what? No, it's it's genuinely just not watch it if you do want to find out for yourself But I'm pretty sure You will be wasting your money and your time. There is no point to this. It doesn't tell a story It doesn't go anywhere. It will only destroy what you liked about the character to begin with so What's the damn point? Yeah I hate to say it because it sounds so insane But like of all the timelines I we've got a really bad role here.  Yeah So you see them making out inside right and then it cuts to outside And Phoebe whatever her name is is walking away.  There's an iris clothes on the hat You're waiting for it to fully close.  And then indy snatches his hat off the clothes line. So what are you doing? So i'm thinking are they doing like sexy role play and like he's putting the hat on Yes, he's on during sex You're not indy when you're not wearing your hat. That's what she was saying through So, yeah, you're right.  It's just funny man.   I think it should be said that I appreciate both Little platoon and john for hanging out with us for so long metal.   I'm sorry In in any case, I would like to give everyone an opportunity to talk about what they're up to on their channels Why don't we start with little platoon? What are you up to mate? Um this sadly, so I'll be doing Indiana Jones 5. Yeah I think the the introduction is 12 000 words So it's um, it's gonna be going for a while. We'll see what happens.  I've seen it twice. This is made up for the suffering that I went through Good company and plenty of insights really appreciate it Um john what about yourself?  I'm working on that and uh, yeah, john gray. I'm on youtube if you want to Subscribe and all that check it out Always thank you for having me on good. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Nice to have you back. It's been a I was about to say it's been a while Not really but kind of Just that amount of time Um metal, how about you sir? Uh, we're currently well, I I thought I'm gonna do a fortune on this but I really didn't want to So now I talked about it here. So there you go. Uh Uh, yeah, I don't know just for just coming up. I'm I'm probably gonna grab some people to just have a talk See about uh final fantasy 16 when I'm through the game Uh, I'm going through pretty slowly because I'm also working on other things. Uh, You and uh, you and I as a currently competing to see who can stream it more, right? Is that so maybe I don't know. I just that's what I see.  I'm I'm having to blast with it. Yeah, that's uh, I uh This thing's pretty good. I like it. But I'm not very far into it. Um I think I want to see how the combat develops as new abilities sort of get unlocked and whether it makes a little bit more Very than it is right now. It does. It does. I think I figure it does. Yeah, but yeah, it's fun Yeah, so I'm probably gonna grab some people to talk about that. I don't know Maybe Fringy, I don't know depends how far I don't know how far I'm getting I mean, I don't know. Maybe at some point you start Not playing Mario Kart and play other games. I don't know. Yeah Uh, we know that that's um, I'm probably gonna stream that tomorrow Grab some people for that forge and I guess the next big movie that's coming out is probably Mission Impossible, right? If I'm remembering correctly, that's Yeah, I think it's coming out this week actually At least over here It all lies on the Indiana Jones 5 drop off when Mission Impossible comes out and takes all of the views away That'll be fun. It says 12th on my on my whiteboard over there. So I why I oh no It's coming out this week over in Ausland. Well good for you A good point actually regarding like, uh, because I wasn't sure if dial of destiny would make its money back Because it's like the most expensive Indiana Jones movie that's been made And I'm not sure like I thought maybe it'll make its money back But not by a lot, but uh, Mission Impossible could really throw a wrench in that I think Uh, it's a busy and cramped time for the because there's a lot. There's that Bobby and Oppenheimer come out the same day Oh, yeah, there's another there's another movie. I'm forgetting about two that's coming out this month. It's uh, it's a busy month So, yeah Because that probably competes with the similar audience. So yeah, good luck Indiana Jones Uh, but but yeah, I'm uh I actually have my my script finished on my current project. I'm actually pretty happy with it right now So I'm probably going to start recording soon. So maybe There's going to be Natural information what it's going to be about uh sometime this month. Maybe we'll see about that And subscribe or I'll beat you up the links for all these lads in the description Fringy do me or yourself want to say anything about anything probably not I've just working I mean significant progress is being made. It's it's a chongas and um I don't know. Maybe maybe in two weeks at the lowest more information would be given Oh, that's all I said more information. It could be the vaguest information could be that we'd say what it may be, you know, who knows but um Uh, I mean, I've mentioned it on other streams. I'm on if anyone's been watching them I'm just editing pretty much every day. That's all it is and uh likewise It'll be fun to show you guys what ends up getting made So Give or game Uh on that no, I think that's that's gonna be it from us. We're gonna be heading out. Of course, uh, we'll be Doing uh catch-up streams, but we'll probably wait till rags is back to Check out these animal. Don't worry. I'll force him to watch indiana jones. He's gonna love it The big old fan of the the original three says Yeah, uh, and yeah, I love this one. Absolutely Actually, I I'm gonna be curious. What do you think so nice? So much, um, but yes, I'm so angry Until next time everybody. I'm not even sure if we'll be covering I don't know if it is mission impossible something that we might cover on evap Who knows we'll have to figure that one out because the I don't know if it's suitable or not. It could be fun though Oh, what about barbie? I'm actually thinking about covering that for the memes alone. I think it could be fun I'm probably gonna watch it. This kind of looks I'll probably watch it. I think cover on evap What about what about oppenheimer? I doubt that's gonna be very good for cover on evap. You know what we can Well, we can turn it to a we can turn it because we haven't seen tenet yet. It could be a double feature tenet and oppenheimer Arbenheimer evap That's well here It's like the the key thing you look for in a film for evap coverage like It's like you're a no one fan right like I figured maybe oppenheimer would be a candidate um I think I said this on the last real bbc. I have a way more of a fad of his first half than his second half of his work I think we're interested in what he's doing. I have a lot of respect for him as a filmmaker But I mean can't lie like I haven't injured. I don't like interstellar. I kind of don't like dunkirk I think the dark night rise of really bad like it's I need to rewatch um What's it called inception? I don't know if that's good or not. I can't remember That's a good that's it. I only watched it when it came out. I have no idea. I really like inception But we'll see like on a rewatch Yeah, uh, but I have a lot of respect for him as a filmmaker So like I'm always going to be interested in whatever he's working on part of what we look for I think is something that's definitely going to create a lot of conversations It's not just a series of this didn't make sense.   I'm not sure Uh competing barbie seems like the one to the will win that competition. I think barbie has more mass more mass up here Yeah, and it seems like there's a hell of a lot of hype for barbie. Oppenheimer It's a bit of a harder sell I think Like you want to watch my pick about one of the guys who helped develop the atomic bomb compared to you want to watch a movie about barbie Like a well known well recognized iconic brand That has this huge stacked cast though Oppenheimer has a really stacked cast as well But yeah, I think that one struggles in a fight against the both, you know between those two films Um Damn it It looks so worried She told the fucking pit on his grenade as well another attempt Why don't it look so worried? It's like I don't trust that that a one bad lady That was a good hitler impression by the way Oh It's uh, it's definitely a take I feel like they should enter a lot of people's videos about this film Like it's so very confusing That act disney ana jones All right, thank you so much for watching everybody. We shall catch you in the next e-fap related thing whatever it may be And uh, appreciate you toodle pip. Good night. Cheerio Thanks, everybody. Bye. 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Alrighty, let's watch this here to sound Hello, come and take a look. I wonder what's inside this box Wow, it's a remarkable rainbow, and it's just for you Great work. Thank you. It's always so cute. All right, let's see. I think what I was looking at You know the sound a bit here This is all Good, I like the contrast of bringing it down and then a little extra push That is fine, too. It's always a tricky thing with shoulders with this costume. That should be okay I'm kind of looking at your rotations here But I do like that you have that little out, but then it feels like You're stretching this way.  I'm looking for something where I can do this or more of that But slightly tied in mechanics wise with the arm. This is extremely picky when you watch this It's not crazy. I'm just seeing something where There's a move this way that doesn't quite get resolved balance wise going like this or something that You know has that moves up with that arm kind of driving the body over screen left Picky thing, but hello. I like that. Hello. I like that little heads Hello with that here And by that I mean to set that offset the wiggle always like the loosens in there as cute come and take a look That is fine, too pointing was the need to be pointed at that. I know there's always a five balance between Making clear for children. It's a nice hand pose That Personally, I don't know if you need to act out that word wise like I wonder in terms of the brain I know this is more like looking up and thinking Come and take a look. I wonder what's inside this box So my only comment will be yeah, not that this is wrong It always depends on the target audience how you're acting out words, you know, how literal you are with your acting But this could also be just throwing it out there. I wonder what I wonder what's in that that the subtext is more I'm really excited about this but I'm gonna pretend because I know what's in there But I wonder what's in there and I'm really excited to imagine he would do something where he would rub his hands and shake His butt a little bit like whoo like imagine underneath the whole thing It's he's just really really excited. So it's less about I wonder but more about I wonder but I actually really know what's in there and I'm really excited. I can't wait to show you If that would be kind of the underlying thing just the thought Q2 just a little extra accent. There's Q And I will probably go the opposite eyebrow high eyebrow low to open up The visuals like this and if you could again, I know it's tricky but Anything anything. I mean my overriding note is always going to be as much asymmetry as possible. That just seems So the same just anything where we can lower one side and it just will add to the appeal to the whole thing That's Q2 Because the other thing why I'm thinking about would be really cute instead of doing This is that it will take that hand off the box and you can do something with it and then get back to it Because right now if you look at here that hand is always on there throughout all of this would be a nice little breakup But now he's opening it up here I think that's cute Maybe this hand a bit more like this gets a bit flat towards camera Be nice to kind of bring it out a bit more for a nicer silhouette for fingers gets a little bit into a twin I know visually it's not in terms of twinning where this is a whole different shape than this But it could be something potentially Where it's a baby a bit more interesting acting wise versus just kind of a mirrored out Where again this could be oh this could be if you don't do what I said before Maybe now is the time to bring hands together tiptoeing the fingers gets up on its own its toes Like a really cute little excitement like this could be the moment of really showing the the personality of the character That's okay because it kind of leads to I do like what you're doing with the head here You go down that's actually really nice. You're going down first while this continues And you have a little bit of a pause through there into Markable with a up Then rainbow is really nice. That is top notch that type of stuff of accents I know it's not huge but he just adds that extra Extra layer that that your first clips didn't quite have yet. It's a remarkable rainbow And it's just for you. Yeah, it's cute. I like it. It's just for you The whole thing about you is that we're getting into And here it seems like we're suddenly Stopping the animation where we're locked on that nose Could be you Yeah, you know that kind of rhythm and it's just for you Because he has that you you that exhales it could be you Imagine you got that a bit of a curvature in your in your arts just for you great work Funny enough after all those times when I said put those arms together here I feel like this almost feels a bit too Okay, so in today's surgery we go and open up your right leg. It feels a bit I don't know great work Are you great work to be great work So like he wants to complement the audience Is there anything else you could find acting wise that would be I'm really proud of you great work. You did a really good job great work Rest is okay Kind of neat with this too Nice hand pose here. It's great. Yeah, definitely improvements all around. It's just here and there You know, this is all very subjective things about what could we do with maybe potential potential Not saying you have to do like the one arm good job type of thing But I think even that would be more interesting than this but something for you to explore And that's kind of that it's really nice nicely done All right, there's an email you can sign up you can start whenever you want You can submit whatever you want you get 16 submissions either way a like and subscribe would be awesome. All right. Thank you