Hello, welcome. I'm going to be talking about inclusion and how it includes everyone. So first, I'm Alice Bevac. I work at Mozilla. I work in our developer relations, which is also called developer outreach. You can mostly find me on Twitter if you're looking to contact me. My DMs are open. So has anybody here ever felt like an outsider? Yeah, me. Did joining open source or learning to code or finding a developer community change that for you? It did for me. Somewhat? Maybe, kind of. There is a lot of mythology that somehow, magically, by joining in communities were all included and welcome. But that's not actually the case for everyone all the time. A lot of time, it's hard. It's hard to be accepted. It's hard to belong. It's hard to find your people or your community and the place where you fit in. And for some people, it's easier. And for some people, it's harder. And especially if you're not a member of a majority in any community, whether it's in tech, whether it's social, whether it's anything else. It's harder and harder if you're not part of the norm or part of the in group to join and be accepted and included. And if you find communities like that, so for example, if you're joining an open source project and you don't feel like you belong, how long are you going to stay there? How much time are you willing to put into it? It's sometimes for many people even more hostile in tech than it is in normal society. I was really, really lucky. My first job in tech was at a funny little educational software company called Computer Curriculum Corporation, doing quality assurance on their educational software. I was 19. I was also an awkward introverted pink haired goth kid who'd grown up in Silicon Valley with my dad who worked at Atari. So I played a lot of video games and I wrote a lot of basic. But CCC was really unique at the time and even today. The CEO of the company was African American. The head of my department was a woman. My boss was a woman and the department was incredibly diverse. We had people from the Vietnamese, Salvadorian, Venezuelan, Mexican, Filipino, Chinese, Russian, Indian, African American, gay and trans, young, old, almost half or more than half were women. So this was an extremely unusual experience and I didn't realize it at the time. And it's not the norm then. And it's certainly not the norm now. And how not the norm? We'll have some data. So this is talking specifically around gender. But basically women make up roughly half of the population if you're just looking broadly in numbers. Yet at best about 40% of company employees in some of the largest tech and at worst down in the 20s and some even worse. Now, this is actually broad numbers of people who work at these companies. This isn't saying these are the percentage of women in engineering roles. And that is even worse. In the U.S., the numbers for gender are similar and the numbers for ethnicity, which is how we track things in the United States, are even more grim. Only 1% of Facebook's engineers and coders are black and 3% are Hispanic. That figure hasn't actually changed in four years, even though they've put immense amount of effort into driving diversity in their hiring. At Google, only 20% of technical jobs are held by women. And last year, last summer, only 49 of Twitter's almost 3,000 employees were black. This is especially striking because Twitter is actually highly adopted by the African American population of the United States. So there's a whole bunch of people using this platform who aren't represented at all in the people who are building it. And if you think a bit on some of the issues that some of these platforms have had, if we had more diverse people having input in the way they're built, it might change the way that they interact with us broadly across our societies. Apple has been working really, really hard to improve their diversity, and I'm using them as an example, not that they're perfect. But in the year between July 2016 and July 2017, about half of their new hires in the United States were from underrepresented populations. So that is looking at women, different ethnic groups, Hawaiian, Pacific Islander, Native American, black, Latino, etc. So they've really put a ton of effort into recruiting from places that they traditionally had not recruited. So going to things like black colleges in the United States that have technical program, they're actually training people with computer science degrees, but that were not included in the standard outreach that they had been doing as far as looking for interns. Programs like Outreaching have been incredibly successful in bringing different people in into internships to get a chance at a lot of companies that the doors were closed before. Now usually when you start talking about things like diversity, people tend to get a little uncomfortable, because if you think about it, if you're focusing on diversity and saying, we're focusing efforts on hiring this group, there's an automatic assumption that somehow that group is being excluded. So if you were excluding some people before, now you must obviously be excluding others now. It's often called reverse discrimination or various other things like that. And it might feel like that, especially if you're someone who's traditionally been in a majority. But realistically, there's an assumption made here that there is a scarcity of jobs in tech and there's only a small amount of people available to fill them. The fact is there's actually a shortage of skilled technical workers worldwide. In 2016, there were 223,000 unfilled coding jobs just in the United States. In 2017, there were 10 times more coding jobs than computer science graduates. And it's projected that by 2022, 30% of worldwide coding jobs will be left unfilled because of lack of workers with the skills to fill them. This is especially true if you start looking at areas like AI, Internet of Things, blockchain, VR, like a lot of new technologies. Now, this feels a little weird because I'm sure as people have job-hunted, it can feel really hard to find jobs. But there's also, I think, a way to look at where are jobs located? Are they located near you? Are they in Europe, United States? Are they in Asia? So broadly thinking about where these jobs are. But globally, there's enough room for everyone. And we also need to really think about how we talk about or think about what qualified means. If you look at some of the surveys that Stack Overload has done year over year, even though they're slightly problematic in a few areas, 68% of the people who were surveyed said they're at least partially self-taught. And less than half have computer science degrees of the people who identify themselves as being professional developers, which means they're employed as a developer. Yet, pretty much 100% of jobs advertising developer roles list having a CS degree as a requirement. Now, this affects a lot of different groups. Some groups, if you're more comfortable in your place and being part of a sort of a majority, may just say like, well, I have enough experience that it overrides that qualification. It turns out that people in underrepresented groups tend to take these lists of requirements pretty much as the truth and are less inclined to apply. It also just affects the fact that only 20% of CS graduates, at least in the United States, are women. There's more in India, roughly about the same in Europe. So we don't have a lot of people who are emerging right now with CS degrees. And even if you're a woman who is in a computer science program getting a degree, your experience with recruiting can be really, really miserable. Stanford, which is a college in the United States, did a study of college recruiting where they sent observers to recruitment sessions at top colleges. And the recruiting team that were sent by some of these top companies were overwhelmingly male. They overwhelmingly talked in language that was very specifically male gendered. They talked a lot about things like beer, which, you know, is a great thing, but also is a little bit alienating if that's not one of the things you're looking for in your career. And when they did send women, the women were almost entirely in support roles. They were checking people in and directing them to the snack table. And when they did have female engineers, they pretty much would only get them up to talk about company culture and not about their engineering contributions. And this has a dampening effect on the willingness of women to participate. The observers in these sessions watched women asked almost no questions and a large percentage of them left partially through the session. In the reverse side, when they do, when male students have female professors or female recruiters, it has almost no negative impact on their ability to want to participate in a career. So we're thinking about diversity broadly, because my talk is not necessarily on diversity, it's on inclusion, but you could have set the stage. Diversity is not just these broad categories, gender, race, ethnic background, et cetera, et cetera. It's all the things that make us who we are. That is things like being an introvert or an extrovert, speaking the native language of the company that you work at, your communication style, your age. Inclusion is actually getting all that mix of things and people to work together. So everyone is included and belongs and respected and feels like they are part of the team or part of the company and respected for that. At my first job at CCC, I was really lucky to be both in a company that was diverse but also really, really inclusive. I worked there for six years. I felt incredibly appreciated.  I was encouraged to grow. This is where I learned HTML on my own time as I was working full-time and putting myself through university. And when I graduated, I was actually offered a job as a web developer at the company because they appreciated me and what I brought enough that they wanted me to stay. And I realized that this was really not necessarily the norm. And I think a bit about inclusion, when I think about this time and sort of inclusion and understanding what that really meant, I think about potlucks. So a potluck in the United States is essentially a communal meal where people participating each bring a dish. It's usually homemade. We had amazing potlucks at CCC. So people would bring in dishes and because we had this immense variety of people from different national backgrounds, we would have immense amount of food. We learned to really understand and respect each other's cultures based on food which is probably one of the oldest traditions that humans have. I learned to love Vietnamese food at this job. One of my co-workers' moms took me home and taught me how to make proper Indian food. I rolled thousands and thousands of lumpia which are egg rolls in the Philippines. And all of these things brought me closer to the people that I worked with. And it formed a unit I felt accepted and I belonged and I hope that I brought the same to them as well. That job sort of set the stage for me where I discovered that the thing that I loved to do was web development and that sort of kick-started my career which actually led to me being here today on the stage talking to all of you. What I didn't realize at the time was that that was not going to be the experience I had everywhere. As I worked at more and more companies, I realized how extraordinary that first experience I had and how lucky I was to have it. It turns out that was really just luck. I worked at a lot of other companies. And for a long time I really thought that the price of admission to the career and the work that I loved was being patronized to. Being harassed, being talked down to, being talked over. That was my predominant experience. And this was at a lot of different companies including some that were more diverse including somewhere diversity was either a white guy or an Indian guy. It was at different roles where I was in senior management or an individual contributor. It was my lived experience. Now I'm not actually saying that everything was terrible because these were in truth more the exception than the norm. I worked with a lot of really fantastic amazing supportive people. The arc of my career has been incredibly positive. And the company I work for now is fantastic. But I think sometimes where would I be if I hadn't had to deal with these kind of experiences? And where would other people be if they didn't either? So if it wasn't so hard to be female, if it wasn't so hard to be black. And also where would people who are currently sort of in the majority be if they felt more comfortable with others as well? If you think about it, monoculture and agriculture isn't good, right? You're more susceptible to disease. You're more susceptible to all kinds of things. So broadly thinking about more diversity is helpful. In fact, there's a lot of science that shows that diversity makes us smarter and more innovative. What happens when you're exposed to people who aren't like you is you tend to put more effort into justifying your thinking because you don't make assumptions that the people around you all think the same way that you do. Now, it may make us smarter, but it also makes us more prone to conflict, which is why a lot of the best practices around inclusion are really important. So conflict management, learning to have good communication skills, those things are really important in managing, making diversity turn into inclusion. Sometimes people sort of come at us and say, well, that's your problem, right? That's not my experience. That's other people's problems.  I treat everybody great. You know, none of this is my problem. I'm not the problem. But I will say it actually is your problem. It goes well beyond things like gender, ethnicity, various other things. And I'm going to talk about a really specific example that's going to affect every single person in this room, and that's ageism, right? And this is so incredibly prevalent in tech. There's a huge bias against people who are old. There's a thought that people who are old are out of touch. They can't learn new things.  And here's a quick question. When I say old, how old do you think someone is when they're old? Particularly for thinking tech. But like 70, 80, like really old grandparents, right? 50, 60. So in tech, old is 40. Worldwide, the average age of a developer is 28. It's a little older, about 31 in the United States. It's roughly that in Europe. It's younger, excuse younger in Asia Pacific. And this isn't just a problem in western or northern countries. Age discrimination is massive in China. Three quarters of Chinese developers are under 30. It is legal to discriminate based on age, and most jobs actually limit applicants to be under 35. And if you're thinking about starting your own company, do it now. Because there's a cut-off date. For most investors, it's 32. And that comes from Y Combinator, who's one of the biggest startup funders in the valley, in Silicon Valley. In fact, just in the United States, only restaurants and shoe stores have an average age younger than tech. And those are considered transitional jobs that you do while you're in university. These are the median age of some of the biggest tech companies. Facebook is 28. Google is 30. Microsoft's really old at 33. And when you think about median age, you're basically saying about half the company, half the employees are under and half are over. But if you think about the arc of your career, most people get out of university, say roughly 22. So half of these companies' employees, more or less, have eight years or less experience. And half have a span, if you say retirement is, say, 65, there's 35 years crammed into that. Upper half. That's a big skew. In fact, millennials, which are under 35, roughly, are 50% more likely to be hired than their representation broadly in the population. And Gen X, which is 35 to 55, roughly, is 33% less likely to be hired. And if you're over 60 years screwed, you have a one-third chance of getting hired. 26% of workers at tech companies are over 40. So here's a quick thought. If everyone in this room right now was 30 years old and you're all, say, employed in tech, only one quarter of you would still be working in tech in 10 years. That's one quarter. Oh, and your salary peaks somewhere between 40 and 43. So for those of you who got aged out before then, you actually miss on your peak earning potential. This is a little bit different for people in management, however. Managers tend to roughly stick around until they're around 47. It's less old than any other industry, but older than individual contributors in tech. This is a quote in 2007 from Mark Zuckerberg.  Now, I wonder, he's 34 now. He's six years older than the median employees of his company. Does he still feel that way? Is he still going to feel that way in 10 years or 15 or 20? And this is a prevalent thinking in tech. And everybody laughed, but it's really there. There's a thought that at some point you're just too old to understand new things. Even now, there's tons of data that show that older workers actually have higher performance ratings relative to people in the same job. And while it's illegal to discriminate based on age, there's all sorts of ways that companies use to phase out older workers. There's layoffs, there's stagnation where you don't get promoted. There's a whole host of other things being shifted to less important jobs. And this is rampant across the entire industry. And more people report age discrimination in tech than gender and sexual orientation discrimination combined. There's been huge lawsuits against Google and a whole host of other companies for age discrimination. Anybody nervous yet? So the challenge here really is what can we do? How do you make this better? Is there some way that we can make this change? And this is broadly around all of inclusion but very specifically around ageism which seems to be the big elephant in the room that everybody doesn't really want to talk about. I think some of it is just the more attention that's being placed on diversity opens up us a chance to really think about all diversity and all inclusion. Examine your own biases. I find myself sometimes falling into the trap of thinking like, especially when my mom calls me and says, can you come over and fix my printers? Oh my God, you're old, you don't understand things. But realistically it's familiarity more than necessarily the lack of ability to comprehend something. If you do something all the time, you gain familiarity with it. If you're already working in tech, there's no reason. If you've had a career for 20 years in tech, you've obviously, nothing's static for 20 years, you've obviously readjusted multiple times in the way you're thinking. And many of our biases are really unconscious, whether it's things around gender, around ethnicity, around age. They're driven by media, they're driven by our social norms. I find it fascinating that this concept that young people are smarter actually goes against cultural norms pretty much everywhere in the world that we accept them in tech. And if you find yourself thinking that someone doesn't belong, ask yourself, why? Why do you think that? Why is that your immediate reaction to them? A lot of time it's driven by something like a stereotype or an assumption about them. That may or may not be true. And force positive thinking. This is an exercise I have been teaching myself to do that's incredibly effective. A lot of times when we're confronted by differences, we tend to react negatively. So forcing yourself to think positively is one way to do this and talk about it, take action, be more involved. If we do all of these things together, we can be the factors for change that means all of us can be included as long as we want to be. Thank you.


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If you've never met us in person, can you actually prove we're real? I can't. Me neither. You could be AI for all I know. I am AI. Today we got another game. Is it about eyes? No. Oh, bummer. Oh, well, the winning streak was fun while it lasted. This is the Bollywood Bootlickers Quiz number three. Oh, I don't know that we're technically Bollywood Bootlickers anymore. I had someone accuse me of that because we didn't like animal. How dare we say we love Bollywood and not like animal? Yeah, whatever. What are you gonna do? Yeah, well. But it's the same guy that makes the Bollywood Bootlicker intros. I think this is actually, I believe one that you're gonna have four films and you're gonna have to put them in order of release. Oh, interesting. So it's a little different. That's gonna be a little bit weird because I think about them in terms of when we see them. Yeah, yeah. We didn't see most of the films when they came out. Well, it'll be really easy if you give me something like Mughalia Zom and Joem. I'll know, but there's four. Okay, so. Anyways. Give me something like Mughalia Zom, Sholay, P.K., Joann. You can do that. I can do that. That's easy. You'd probably still get it wrong. Probably. But I'll know who's in it by looking at their eyes. That's true. So, here we go. I think my favorite movie might be I because of the movie. You haven't even seen it? I know. Here we go. Intro's gonna slap. Oh yeah. Okay, ready.  That's who it was. The Bollywood Boo Lickers. Ah, ah, a Bollywood Boo Lickers. Ah, ah, ah, Bollywood Boo Lickin' No Moves. I'm guessing I'm gonna have to pause. Name the following S.K. Moves and I'll just release. I don't know how much time it gives us, so I'm gonna wait here. Okay. DDLJ, Cooch Cooch Hotahai Dev Das Dilsay. Yeah, I think it's DDLJ, Cooch Cooch Hotahai Dev Das Dilsay. Is that what you said? That's what I said. Nice graphics. Oh, oh wow, Dilsay was before Cooch Cooch Hotahai. We are both very wrong. Wow. We're dum-dums. This is gonna go great. Okay, I can do this one. Luck by Chance. Luck by Chance. Gully Boy, Dilda Hock-Nadoo. No, Luck by Chance and Dodgy. Gully Boy, Dilda Hock-Nadoo. No, what are you talking about? Luck by Chance and Dodgy. Dilda Hock-Nadoo, Gully Boy. Yes. Why'd you say Dilda Hock-Nadoo last? We literally saw that. What are you talking about? Cause that's what we saw last. I'm not giving you- We saw it last. I am taking the point. You cannot have that point. You messed up too many times. Oh yeah, there you go. I get the point for that. You said Dilda Hock-Nadoo last, so you automatically eliminated. Okay. I'm gonna pause it. Obviously it's Sho-Lay, Dawn. Then Piku and Badla. Yeah. How are we doing this? If we both get it correct, do we just get a point each? Or was it the first? Hold on. It didn't say. So if we both- I think it's- What did you say? Sho-Lay, Dawn? I said Sho-Lay. I think it's Dawn, Sho-Lay, Piku, Badla. I think Dawn came before Sho-Lay. Okay, but that's fine. But we need to specify, if we both come up with the same thing, do we both just get a point? Or is it a time? Just a- Like who says it first? Yeah, who says it first, for sure. For sure, who says it first? Okay. So you think it's Dawn first? I think it's- I could be very wrong. I think it's Dawn, Sho-Lay, Piku, Badla. I think it's Sho-Lay, Dawn. I know Piku and then Badla. Okay. Let's see what happens. Begin the begin. Yeah, you were right. Yeah. Sho-Lay, but they were close. 75, 78. Two, zero. Oh, okay. Oh, good choices. Chandini, Bar, Chini, Coom, McBool, and Drishyam. You? No, I just said A, B, C, D. That's what I just said. I think Drishyam proceeded McBool. I think it's Chandini, Bar, Chini, Coom, Drishyam, McBool. No, that's definitely wrong. I'm only saying that because- Oh. Okay, we were both wrong. McBool was before Chini, Coom. Well... Name the movie based on the Google Plot description in a form of a question. Example, is it Anda Hondahan, or could it be Anda Hondahan? If the other person catches it's not in a question form before the next question, then they can- Wait, what? Ask it in a question form. Might be useful for Rick to get some points here. Wait, hold on. Can you explain that to me? I think it means the questions are supposed to be in question form, and if they're not in question form and you turn it into question form, you can get a point. It's gonna be a Google Plot description in the form of a question. Okay. So, comparable in kind of a way to the way they do jeopardy. Okay. If the other person, if one of the people catches that it's not in question form, then they can steal the answer and ask it in a question form. Wait, so what's the point? What do we- It's so confused. The primary thing we're doing is naming the movie based on the Google Plot description in the form of a question. Okay. So I have to answer in the form of a question just like jeopardy, or it will be in a form of a question. That's what I'm confused by. So it'll give us plot and I have to answer like what is Gully Boy? No, no, no, it didn't say name the movie in the form of a question. Okay. It says name the movie based on the Google Plot description which is in a form of a question. That's grammatically what it's saying there in a weird way. Then why would I have to correct it if it's not in the form of a question? I don't know, because here's the thing. Right below it, we're supposed to, it says is it underhand? Could it be underhand? I don't even understand that. What does that even mean? Okay. I think because grammatically with the comma being in a strange place, you didn't need the comma, it basically is saying based on that first sentence, name the movie based on the Google Plot description in the form of a question. In the form of a question is signifying the Google Plot description, but I don't believe that's what's happening in this situation. I believe what's happening in this situation is our answer needs to be because look, is it underhand? Could it be underhand? And that if the person catches that you didn't answer in the form of a question, you can steal the plot. So I do have to answer in the form of a question. Yes, I believe so. Okay. Based on the example given. So the plot description from Google is not gonna be in the form of a question, even though the sentence just says it will be. The primary question is the way we answer. So example, if the movie was based on the Google Plot description of this, a down and out fighter gets a chance to battle the heavyweight champion of the world with his girlfriend by his side and an old trainer helping him. The proper way to answer it would be, is it rocky? But if I just said rocky and it showed the answer and then you said, you didn't put it in the form of a question, you'd steal my point even though I was right. Okay, that was way too complicated. I agree. I feel the answer and ask it in a question form. Might be useful for Rick to get some points here. That might be useful by stealing, that's it. Rumi and Vicky, who are in love, are caught by Rumi's family and pressurized to get married. The Vicky, what is the Vicky on-yrog film? Do you remember the name of it? No. It's the Vicky Tapsy. Yeah, that one. I'm not gonna get the point, but that's what I was talking about. Gotcha. You should get the point, you knew it. No, it's okay. Just because you didn't get the name? The Dark Mara, a spoiled and selfish college student who earns the meaning of life and the importance of- Yeah, it's the military one with, he tries to go up the mountain and there's a love interest. That's the one I never remember the name of either. What is the Siddhartha? Do you remember the name of it? No. No point either, but that's what film it is. Oh, no! It was Wake Up Sid. I'm wrong. I thought it was the, you know, trying to talk about the military one. I know what you're talking about. Inspector Shekawad and his wife are stunned when their son dies. While his wife openly struggles to deal with her loss, he distracts himself by solving the mysterious death of an actor. What is Talvar with Irfan, I think? Any guess? Nope, I'm doing great. Me too. We're both doing so good on this. In a house named Blank for many decades, as their villa is being brought down to give way to a high rise, the family meets up for one last party before the characters and sisters take over. Oh! I don't wanna say it because the hint would give it the way to you. Is it the- It's one with Rishi, the family. Are you saying Caporn Sons? Oh. That's what I- I remember that one. That's what I was about. Right, I remember that. I was about to say the one with Manoj. I wouldn't have been able to come up with the- Yeah, that's that. I wouldn't have been able to come up with the title. I don't think there was construction going on on the one I referenced. She selects a few students to portray various Indian freedom fighters in her film. She unwittingly awakens their patriotism. The emotional and mental- What is Rangdam Santi? That's what I was just gonna, yep. I was just about to start the sentence. We got one! Yay! So three zero. We're doing great in this game. Yep. We saw it so early. We did. What a memorable film. Most Amir Khan- Amir Khan seven. Apprises his love and gets married to his deceased brother's pregnant fiance. However, when he brings him face to face with his former flame, he decides to give in to his desires. Oh, I know that. Ah, I don't remember. But I remember I- I- That's what I was! See, what's amazing is that these are all films that you've seen once five years ago. It's a lot. No, I know- Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait, name? And we're sing-hum the song based on the sound clip. Okay. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Rocky Arani! I don't know. Rocky Arani. This is a good one. I'm- Oh, yeah, I know that. I wanted to say Simba, but we haven't seen Simba, so- Yeah, I saw- in my mind I saw Salman Khan. No, I saw Ranveer and Simba. Oh, I saw Salman Khan. Oh, no, Joann! None of the above. None of the above. No more. That is- Badmavat! What is- I think that's from Bajira Mastani. Oh, well, neither of us are probably right. Oh. That was Devasri Ganesha? Oh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Simba. That one's Simba. That one's Simba. That is Simba. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Simba with Ranveer. We haven't even seen it. For some reason, I want to say Uri, but I don't think that's right. I want to say Dongle. Yeah, that was my other guess. Oh, is Chaya Chaya! Oh, belly boy. Yeah, yeah, up in a time. I got yeah Five one, I think yeah difficult mode That was one of the easier ones. Yeah If a miracle has occurred and Rick has somehow managed to match corporate Play the tiebreaker quickly take turns to name as many movies as you can have on me top budget one by one until someone runs out Oh, well, this will be fun the last one wins the round Okay, yeah, but that sucks because if if if Okay, so if you name one or I name one then we take that film and you can't take that film Yeah, so like if like obviously somebody's gonna name show lay, right? I can't say show lay now. Okay once they've been named so you basically need to remember as many as you can including Okay, he had cameos in okay, so you can take show lay if you'd like Let's just throw that one away. Okay, since we don't have a way Are we going one at a time here? Okay. Also, there's okay. I'm very far ahead. You got show lay. Okay. I'll I'll take bad luck Okay, pink Pico Don black Thugs of Hindustan There's a ton that I don't remember their names, but I know what the films are Um Braham astra I'm the rock bar Anthony. Of course you should have that one You said pink I did okay after you said bad luck. Okay, think of one with taboo Well, I'm also thinking of one with SRK, which now will go back and forth. So I'll take chutney bar. Oh Oh K3g yeah, that was I was thinking of yeah, he has actually a lot with I see so many musical numbers And I see so many scenes, but I'm not remembering titles. I think of one you had a Small little cameo in I just mentioned it. Oh English English. Thank you. Thanks for the hand The Haven't seen it but we've seen songs from it's him shower con the great Gatsby Nice, how's it going? Going through my brain catalog now I Think it's called 103 not out Him and the other old people 103 not out. Yeah, 103 not out It's with him. I think Rishi's with him. I'm double check. I'm so you can see I'm not looking yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no three I think it was called Yeah, 102 not out. Sorry. Okay. It's a that's close enough for him. It's him and somebody else some other old dammit I think it was Rishi um Yeah, it's Rishi. What's the one? It's it's a it's a one-title film. It's the Sun reversed. He's bald. It's more. It's kind of a sound Oh Pa, yes, there you go. We already said so later. I'll be right off the bat Trying to see if we have any other I'm gonna talk about Jones up there sad. He's in what 300 films Yeah, we can come up a 10. No, I uh There's so many musical numbers I see of films we haven't seen um There's There's one that's I think it's called saute pa something and it's the Seven brides for seven brothers remake. Okay. I remember that close. I can get I also I won't remember the title of this I think it starts with the G is the one we didn't like very much. That's more recent The house the family's trying to hang on to the house Plays the attorney Got you know, which one I'm talking about right? Yeah, it's a I Love us at all. Yeah, there you go. Oh Dwar Oh Nice, that's a big one. That's a that is a big one Virzara his voice. No, he's in it. Yeah, he has a small part as the dad. Oh, sorry. I was thinking of um, yeah He's in Virzara. Yeah, I was thinking of Joe Rock bar Yeah, actually, I think he was the narration he may have been yeah, and that would be a good one if we could think of all the ones He's narrated good grief Joe Bar He's narrated quite a few things Joe the arc bar narrated by I'm gonna take my time. I'm gonna take that one. Take that There's one we saw dang it It's a it's a south film and he has he has a small role in it Do you know what it is what me just saying it? I know what you're referring to I'm trying to remember the name though It's a historical epic. Yeah, I can't remember the name That's probably where it stops because it's getting boring For you I see so many thing images in my mind from things we've seen but I just can't remember names musical numbers scenes You done yeah, I'm I've all the water has been squeezed out of the sponge this morning Um, I think the one you're referring to is with cheer of Angie, but I don't remember the full title of it We saw a long time ago. Yeah, the only one of his we've seen in in theaters cheer of Angie. Yeah, yeah I am but this is a pointless thing because it was a tiebreaker. Yeah, I'm just trying to come up with the one more Trying to think of the older ones What's the one and you we may be able I'll re-mention it What's the one with the musical number where he comes out of the Easter egg? I'm a rock bar, Anthony. That wasn't a Mirac bar, Anthony. Yeah. Oh My name is Anthony a good that's that song. Yes. Oh Because I know he has on with oh Can we say unreleased ones like stuff he has in the pipeline? No Has to be his filmography, but what's on it? We went to what's on his resume, but we went to go see it the trailer a comic-con Yeah, I know but that movie's not out yet. Okay. Well technically stole this movie, but um That was called colky But I know he has stuff with superstar and yes. Yes, I'm just trying to remember what it was and he has more with SRK He's got a bunch with us. Yes, he does and there's a couple with rake I'm forgetting the name of the films he has quite a few with yeah I mean, there's a there's several that when I hear the film. I'll say because it's very difficult. I it's Unless we talk about the film over and over and over again We watch a hundred film almost a hundred films a year When you watch one three years ago, it's difficult to remember the title for me compared to you Unless I look at their eyes Okay, well I won but I want to know the ones we missed There's about 275. I know but I know some easy ones. Yeah, it's gonna piss us off Well, there'll be ones that I remembered, but I just didn't remember the title because of Whatever Sarkar we haven't seen Sarkar though Not to my knowledge. No, we haven't Shaumetab we haven't seen that one though. What's the one the what's the one we saw? It's the I think it's the first film he did with Reka. We've seen that one We haven't then it was an early film. It's the it's it's the one where The love triangle is there and it's really interesting to watch because you know that that's happening in real life We watched that film whatever that film is so silly that was so silly Yeah, I know that's that but that that was that one wait. Did we not three of them? Yeah, did we not say that? Yeah, we did. Oh wait. No, we didn't we saw that in the put them in order. I think that's why I didn't say it to We saw that in the put them in order. I think that's why I know because I was like So I was I was picturing it from the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Anyways, none of you are here anymore. Yeah, Laksha. He was in Laksha Well, there's there's six of you who are still here. How are you doing? How's it going? I feel like we did pretty well Did okay well compared to the average American we did great. He's in the original Agnepath. Oh Crap, that's right. But we didn't see that. We didn't see the original. We just know of that film. Sathe Peh Satha.  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Hi everyone, happy Thursday. I'm Joe for Jasper's case breaks comm and that is 2021 Panini select baseball six box pick your team number six And we'll do that randomizer at the end to give away a couple boxes here if you bought at least two teams and all card ship a Very big. Thank you to everyone here for getting in on the action Steve Birch knocking out The Orioles and the White Sox get double last spot mojo. Thanks to him. Thanks everybody for making this happen And we popped open break five a little bit earlier tonight, and I marked the second half of the case pick your team six So we all know it's from the same case Thanks everybody Cubs at Dodgers Oh, that's how to come that's a commercial too Come on back to the basketball game back to the basketball Sons at clippers on in the background Clippers cruising right now with eight and a half left in the fourth eighty nine seventy eight All right first out of the gate first hit Josh Fleming Rays Richard with the rays And a short print we got a Joey Votto zebra print These are not common at all this is for the X line and the red legs Diamond level zebra print Pretty nice Votto matik We got a Christian Yelich 86 out of 199 That'll be for Mark and the brew crew Got a Garrett crochet to 149 That'll be for the White Sox. That's gonna go to see Birch It's to 149 and a Dylan Carlson nice cracked ice three color patch and autograph Nice RPA for the X line and his Cardinals one of their one of their top tier prospects here nine out of 25 Got some gold here It's gold Braxton Garrett two out of ten for Miami, and it'll be for Mark and the Marlins Phoenix is starting to cut it cut the lead You down by six now We got David Peterson for the Met 63 out of 150. That'll be for Richard and the Metropolitan's 63 out of 150 We got shirt and apostle jersey and autograph Tri-color card one color jersey nice hit for Patrick Davis and the Texas Rangers 30 out of 99 Luis Garcia and a Daniel Johnson Next box Jack's inspired up a little cubs Dodgers I need like three TVs in here All right cubs still leading by a run 22 out 35 one nothing cubbies bottom of the fourth and Ballinger just got a walk lead off walk Jake Cronworth Going to Chris a and the Padres Yeah, I'm I have a position on on that stock as well Jilo There's Alejandro Kirk jersey and autograph for Toronto Steve Wright with the blue Jays 52 out of 199 Got Luis Castillo 22 out of 199 and a nice Silver Ohtani man. He's been playing some great baseball Michael Gantz with the halos There's Luis Castillo to 199 for the X-Line and the Reds and we got a Dalton Varshow for the X-Line and Snakes Diamondbacks Got a Chris Bassett 98 out of 99 lime green for the A's that'll be for Steve Wright and A Hassan Kim X-Factor signatures 75 out of 199 nice That'll be for Chris a and the Padres South Korean player big international prospect this season Next box only if you're buying one team or one one share You're not just buying one share, right? I've got a blue is that gallon to 149 And we've got another Alejandro Kirk Jersey and autograph for the blue birds Steve Wright Out of 99 Alejandro Kirk nice digital mayhew to 99 Can you why not though? There's a Dylan Carlson 20 out of 99 Nice Tri-color card one color jersey nice autograph nice one for the X-Line and the Cardinals 20 out of 99. Yeah, I've got the game on now It's like Dodgers just can't take advantage of the just can't take advantage of those walks switch back To the Sun's Clippers we got Manny Machado to 199 There's Braylon Marquez and that's 13 out of 25 nice cracked ice that must be a part of the sea It's pretty cool cubs all over Soria with the cubbies Gavin Lux back there three more boxes to go Clippers up 96 83 four minutes left. It's still a lot of time left Clippers and playing some great defense Zubash has 16 rebounds. All right. All right. We've got a Luis Garcia 26 out of 99 Juan Escabi Pena with the Nats 26 out of 99 Obi-Wan and we got a JT Real Muto 31 out of 50 and the Joe Adele For Michael Gantz and the Halos The white refractor white parallel 31 out of 54 the Phillies Chris Maxwell We've got a Leody Tavares Jersey and autograph that'll be for Patrick Davis and the Rangers up to 299 Rex was so used to listening to jasps and hearing the all the sirens go by from the nearby Fire station that he didn't realize that there were actually sirens near you right everything. Okay, they just We've got a Shane McClanahan Jersey and autograph and that's for Richard and the rays 162 out of 299 Manny Machado firestorm It looks different We haven't seen a lot of firestorm parallels. I feel like either Chris a with the Padres We've got a Sixto Sanchez red 64 out of 199 Chris Bassett and a Kiebert Ruiz Two boxes to go I just see a commercial where Wingstop has thighs Instead of just wings. Yeah thigh stock. All right got Roland Ronald Bolanos for KC The X-line with the Royals 86 out of 99 Do the no logos on panini? Bug me. No, they do not kentam. I ate at a 199. I think I think in especially in recent years They've done better about kind of angling the players where it's not as obvious You don't really notice it too much on the hats This kentam. I ate it So now it doesn't I mean I've been doing this for many years Maybe at first but I Think I get used to it. I know keeps the Keeps the product a little more a little more budget friendly than some tops products There's Monty Harrison jersey and auto and because they're not they don't have the logos I think that's why in some of the higher-end products They're more generous with like game-worn jerseys and nicer patches and stuff like that So that's where the money goes 90 45 out of 99 Monty Harrison Miami that'll be for mark. So there's a little bit of a trade-off 15 out of 99 There's Shane McClanahan jersey and autograph 31 out of 299 lightning strike Yellich and then we've got a Brian Anderson 53 out of 149 Last box and pick your team six You didn't mind at first you know saying but now you're at a point where it feels weird on the higher sets Yeah clippers win 10692 That's a bit of a series now. There you go. Now. It's a bit of a series. All right back to the Dodgers game I didn't walk review only give up a solo shot in the first inning Tell them how the Cubs scoreless since the end of the day even with the higher-end sets like flawless and NT baseball and stuff There's just so many nice relics that you could pull out of there So much so much special stuff that you can pull that I don't mind it all too much Higher and panini sets still still sell pretty well in the secondary market. I don't mind all that much out of 199 William Contreras And he gets on the redemption We've pulled a number of redemptions out of select. They've all been one person I wonder if it's gonna be a different person this time. There's Garrett crochet Steve Burch and the White Sox Yep, Oliver. It's been that guy Wait another what? Rebel, I don't understand that that sentence There There's will crow 74 out of 99 Pittsburgh that's gonna go to Calvin Calvin with the Pirates Boo, I blame I blame the people who got the royal That's a nice hit though. Yeah, this this set is really nice I think just a little so much color and parallels that you can chase and select there's 30 out of 250 S of on Florio Bobby Dalbeck tri-color Anthony Rendon to 149. I have not seen any others I think they all the redemptions have been Joe Adele so far Oh and a David Fletcher nice Diamond level zebra for Michael Gantz and the Angels No white parallel here leo de Tavares to 50 that'll be for Patrick and the Rangers That that zebra parallel is a short print and then the redemption is oh It's someone different moonshot signatures you're done Alvarez Patrick cologne with the Stroze Nice, I think the moonshots. I think are pretty fun insert said all right nice so Let's do a quick recap before we give away boxes the Jordan Alvarez He's got some nice nice stuff being pulled out of here a lot of fun color fun parallels I like the cracked ice looks really nice Dylan Carlson The gold out of ten those really pop Another Carlson right there Another zebra right there as well Very nice there you go that was 2021 panini select baseball six box pick your team number six We've got another half case fresh case in the store now if you follow directions you bought at least two teams You're eligible for a shot at a couple select boxes that were given away. So let's sort by column a Calvin bought two teams that's entry Chris bought four teams. That's two entries The X line bought four teams, that's two entries Juan bought two teams. That's an entry Mark bought four teams That's two entries Michael got two. That's an entry Richard got two. That's an entry Steve Burge with two. That's an entry Steve Wright with two. That's an entry Steve Ward with two. That's an entry All right, so that's Steve Steve Steven Steve Steve Richard these were just solo teams Michael Good luck. There's some oh, that's from a different break. There's some new dice. There's a fresh list here Let's roll it. Let's randomize it three and a six nine times top two after nine get a sealed box of 2021 panini select baseball not bad One two three four five six seven eight And once more right yep ninth and final time After nine times congrats to Chris a and Steve right a sealed box of 2021 Selected baseball going your way we're shipping to you sealed so thanks for getting in thanks for following the instructions I'm Joe for jaskies case breaks calm. Thanks for watching. I'll see you next time for the next break. Bye. Bye


one thing that I am really proud of everybody who plays us comments on the way that we play the game and so I was talking to you before about breaking the lines my boys we've never discussed breaking the line but they make passes that break the lines very very naturally and they create a lot of chances they play with great great freedom it's really really nice to see they combine well we play out from the back genuinely play out from the back collectively the coaching manual has has raised the standard of every boy


What's going on everybody welcome back to some breaking news and Bianca Andrescu have pulled out of the Madrid Open due to COVID-19 She tested positive on the way to Madrid so here's her statement via Twitter She writes dear fans after testing negative twice before my flight to Madrid I was sadly informed that I tested positive on arrival for COVID-19 and therefore will not be playing at the Madrid Open later this week I'm feeling good. I'm resting and continuing to follow the health protocols and safety guidelines I look forward to getting back out on court very soon So there you have it Bianca Andrescu testing positive for COVID and she won't be playing Madrid Which is a shame because we haven't seen her on the clay for a couple of years even in 2019 of breakout season She didn't play much on the clay court because of injuries So we're gonna have to wait till Rome to see Bianca on the clay. She joined some big names that are out of Madrid by the way We don't have Roger Federer of course for the men's draw also Serena Williams has pulled out and Sofia Kenan So some big names not playing in Madrid and Bianca Andrescu is one of them Hopefully she gets better and hopefully she has a safe and healthy recovery And we get to see her in Rome in a couple of weeks Bianca Andrescu she tests positive for COVID and is out of Madrid


Hi everyone Joe for Jasper's case breaks calm coming at you with 2019 2020 Panini mosaic basketball cello pack break number seven one Seven this is the last one we got to do to unlock that greatest hits basketball break given away two spots and in this video Big thanks to well big things to Richard who picked up all the spots in this break So he automatically gets the two spots in that leaf greatest hits basketball break Which is coming up next in a separate video now. He asked me earlier today in the chat Hey, you can go ahead and rip this open for me. I often send it sealed He says go ahead and open Let's see what we got not sure if If Rick is in the chat right it might might be a little late See where he's located Oh, he's on the easy. Yeah, you might be might be a little late from already, but all right. Well. Good luck. All right first pack Brandon Clark Green Chris Paul Alfred Peyton Tijero See we got in the pink Camo here Rondo and Darius Basley rookie pink Camo. All right, Rick. Well nothing too insane there But thanks for grabbing the entire pack. You'll get two spots in that greatest hits break and maybe maybe There'll be some monsters in there. I hope there'll be some monsters in there That's come that video is coming up next jazby's case breaks calm. Thanks Rick


There must be some baking happening on a different floor. Hi. So I was actually asked to introduce Martin tonight, so be very brief. My name is Pat Baking Instructor and we work for the Institute, and I have some fabulous students with me tonight. So I was lucky enough to get to know Martin when he was doing some preparation for your competition with Kudomo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's how I first... Maybe even see Jeff too. Maybe you're here for Italy too. Yes, I knew of you, but now I know him, and it's been really wonderful. You know, Martin has been incredibly generous to my students. We've had some tours at King Arthur, and just his knowledge and passion for bread and the craft has been inspirational, to say the least. Every time he talks about it, I'm like, man, I got up my game. But when I heard he had a book coming out and then he was going to be here at Bear Pond, it was a must save on my calendar, and I'm just so happy that the book is here. I definitely want to take a look at it and do some bread this weekend, and I'm just looking forward to hearing about whatever it is you're going to be talking about tonight. So a nice warm welcome. Thanks for having me. And thanks to Bear Pond for hosting the event, which is important and good. The book came out in, technically I guess it was Halloween, but it really came out in November. And since then I've been in a lot of bookstores and a lot of libraries. And what an honor that is. And I'm serious, like what an honor that is to me. Bookstores and libraries are great examples for all of us, right? If you think about the diversity of opinion on the shelves, if you think about the populations that they serve, high and low, east and west, you know, north and south, it's all out there. It's all down there on the shelves. What a good example that is for all of us, I think. And so what an honor to be in a bookstore for me. So thank you for having me. It's kind of a weird book. I set out to write it and I didn't have a plan. I had a contract, but I had no plan. I didn't have a proposal when I got the contract. I kind of fell into it in a way based on some conversations that I had, which led to more conversations. And the next thing you know, I was sitting in an office in New York City. And you better hold on to that beer because that's a really good beer. Oh, no, no, no. Really? Seriously? Seriously? No, one time. Stay focused. Stay focused. I've got some beer from Alchemist over here. I can't do anything. Sorry, sorry, I got sidetracked. So I had some conversations. The next thing I was in an office in New York City with my agent and having a conversation with a publisher and passionate conversation. I think when I talk about bread and when I talk about craft, I get those are things that are important to me. I think they're important to all of us, whether we realize it or not. But they're important and had a conversation and then we went to two other publishers that day and we got a book deal. Boom, it was pretty easy. I hate to tell that story to authors because they want to like punch me in the face. So, you know, sometimes you hit the lottery, right? Be careful of lightning and all that stuff. Careful what you wish for in terms of luck. But so I was fortunate to sort of begin this journey of trying to figure out what it was that I had to say, even though I already had a contract. I had a sense of what I wanted to talk about, but I didn't know how I was going to say it. And so I went to a friend who was one of the sort of wise-asses who said, yeah, you should write a book. And I said, great, so I got this contract. Now what the heck do I do? And she said, well, start writing. I said, okay, that's good advice. I guess I didn't know how to write. I'd had some writing courses in high school which someone told me the other day didn't count. And I had one in college, my background's in classical music. I went to Oberlin Conservatory and sang for a while. So she said, well, start writing. And so I started trying to figure out what the heck to write. And within like maybe a few hours I kind of knew. I was like, oh, okay, I guess I'm going to write a story about things that mean something to me and what are the things that mean to me? Home is something that means something to me. Heritage, craft, lineage, these are the things that are important to me. So I wrote this story which I thought at the time was like this creative thing. I thought I had like an original idea for about two minutes.  And that is a person, all of us, right? You begin in a place. You leave and sort of transformed, right? You experience the metamorphosis and then you try and come back home and it's not where you left it and all those problems and good things, too, right? So I sort of tried to follow the path of the Odyssey, I guess, a little bit. So the book, and I won't read too much, I promise. I think it's like, I think I usually say it seven minutes and it's maybe closer to eight or something like that. So I'm going to read a little bit from the beginning and then we can see if anybody has any questions. So I'll read a little bit. My name is Martin Rainey Phillip. Martin is for Martin Chamberlain of Shortsville, New York. A cooper who made barrels and drained them with equal skill. Dead of cirrhosis 1919. Rainey for Thomas Rainey, who left countless Scotch-Irish Rainies in the gray skies of County Armagh, Northern Ireland for work as a bleach reformer in the toxic woolen mills of Central Falls, Rhode Island. Dead of influenza 1944. And Phillip from George Rainey Phillip of Aberdeenshire, Scotland. A journeyman stone cutter who traded Scottish granite for Vermont granite and worked himself to death in Berry, Vermont. Dead of exhaustion 1915. He's actually buried in Rock of Ages. My father grew up in Morefield. To gain a name is an easy thing. A mouth-long chain of consonants and vowels cut and stamped with a sharp pen stroke one can carve on a family tree for eternity. Census documents hold forests of these trees and branches and you can climb around in them moving past a spot of ink here, a correction there, the antique curling scripts counting lives and livelihoods as they wind through centuries of occupations and births. There once was a time when lives were linked to tangible trades and physical connections. The crush of a hammer between arm and stone, palms on spinning bobbins of cotton warp, fingers dragging across fresh sawn staves and a cupridge of baker's arms bent at the do-troth pulling and kneading. Once we lived at the intersection of our hands and our materials and if men's names make paternal ladders with lineage and crests and junior and senior, what of the women? Francis Harriet Chamberlain, Occupation Blank, Carolyn Raimi Harris, Occupation Blank, Cora Isabel King, Occupation Blank. While men passed down names and direct lines, matriarchs lived in round forms moving from knitting circles to mixing bowls, a wrap of arms around a child. Through these connected embracing forms they have sewn, baked, tended and grown those parts of us which shape rather than name. My grandmother, Carolyn Harris, or OMA as we called her was a quilter. Her quilting frame, her foundation, hand-cut and smooth by years of use was constructed by her long deceased son. In cold months the frame was assembled in the living room equidistant from bed and board where she worked. Her face bent close to the frame. This quiet play of hands and material, whether in a bowl of flour, a bucket of bulbs or quietly pulling a needle and thread at the dimming of day was her connection. Her even song of fingers and heart, her handcraft was the outward representation of her soul craft. OMA passed this connection to my mother, Francis Phillip, through will or environment and what emerged in mama was an entirely alternate form. Where OMA was precise and traditional and classical, my mother blew everything to the moon scattering scrap quilts from colorful bikinis along the way. If OMA was control and adherence, delicate angel food cake for every birthday, mama was hollering Chinese fire drill at a stoplight with a car full of kids. I'm thankful for the contrast, for mama's ability to improvise, to roll with it, to encourage a baking adventure to never land even in the face of an empty pantry. And I miss OMA, the precision, the formality, the pecan pie with a splash of whiskey, blonde brownies spiked with black walnuts, orange glazed angel food cake adorned with fresh flowers, treats held in soul's memory. These two distinct lines, the men handing names and a connection to trade, and the women living through example, nurturing with linens, layouts and food, made their way to my lap as I, attempting to cross stitch, sewed my pants to a cloth napkin on the couch next to my mother. Heritage is stamped, willingly or not, within and without. There are jewels and there are scars. On my arm the faded white of two holes where I was impaled running in a thicket. The sticks entering my arm and later yanked out under running water by my brother. Despite decades of fresh skin and new memories, the scars still look back at me, bearing witness to a time and place where stick-punchered arm. And so it is with craft and lineage and hearts and names. Today I reach down through grass and dirt to grasp the roots of this lineage. My wife Julia and I left New York City to bring our family back to Vermont where the first Phillips settled when they came from Scotland. We live at the confluence of rivers and rusty train tracks in a railroad town and it is here that I give daily embrace to handcraft, trade and round forms, milling flour on circular stones, mixing doughs and baking bread at King Arthur Flower for my family and communities of happy eaters which encircle us. Today is my day to be counted, to climb and take a place on the family tree, to lay down my roots or make the last journey. It is a good day as I'm proud of my listing. I'm in the right line. I'm in the right place to receive and also give. I'm a baker and flourishing. My path to this good place hasn't been straight. I've been lost. I've moved from roots, heritage and home before heading back again and this journey, all of it, began with dropped biscuits. I grew up in the creases of the Ozark Mountains learning to speak with soft mouth and even tones to the night calls of Whipper Will and Chuck Will's widow. I was the third of six children. We were a mixture of old ways and hippy new ways. We had fox fire books on the shelf, country in the garden and cures which favored hair tying for scalp wounds, garlic pills for blood clots, and cider vinegar for everything else. Our diet had no meat, preservatives, food coloring, additives, white sugar, anything else multi-syllabic on the label. When we could afford it, we had a bull quarter with the co-op for tubs of tofu, bags of oats and pinto beans, buckets of black strapped molasses and bags of brewers yeast. Those days were not gentle imprints. They were not glancing marks from casual use. They were dense and patina, weathered paint on hardwood boards and their impressions remained 40 years on. I see steam vents rising from oatmeal in a house with frost on inside windows. Cornmeal crusted sunfish fried in cast iron twisted inside out with tails pulled through mouths and my mother's ragged drop biscuits flecked with whole wheat flour. They were not lofty. They were not light. They weren't brushed with butter or made with lard. They were simple. They were cheap and they were dinner. Flour in the bowl flour in the bowl, baking powder enough to cover the small dip between her palms heart and lifelines and a thimble of salt. In my mind's eye mama was near the stove framed by a greasy fox pelt in cast iron corn-pone pans hanging on a brick chimney. She hand mixed the dry and then made a well filled it with water and floated enough oil on top to cover the liquid surface. Stir, stir, scoop drop bacon serve with honey or brews yeast gravy biscuits for dinner folk medicine made with the eye's measurement. We all have these memories recollections which when summoned can transport us. Food traditions have a way of leaving marks indelible ink the width of which yanks us whirling and swirling to lands beyond and long gone. But could I recreate these biscuits with my own palms? Why in some attempt to go back use these warm forms as a means of travel to an old house in Arkansas? What is it about biscuits that brings weight beyond the measure of ingredients? Over my years as a baker I've given innumerable those to friends, family and strangers. And while each loaf carries something and was passed in earnest I cannot say there's a more tender act than the sharing of biscuits. This simple mix of flour milk, butter, salt and leavening when eaten warm from the oven contains me. My heritage, my home my upbringing, all that I am. And they have changed as I have. When I make them today I fuss some perhaps as oh my wood, gently incorporating layers of cold butter and folding before cutting into small rounds. When no one's looking I might even make them without measuring anything as mama would. Fairing baking, moisture in the butter expands pushing upward before setting and transitioning toasting to golden. Small hands can break them separating tops from bottoms easily. Each half, fairing butter or jam or simply riding sidecar to a bowl of beans. I don't know what the old home would feel like today, but I do know that my heart is here in this very moment when I make biscuits. So that's some words from the beginning of the book. Thank you all for sitting and listening. I'm happy to talk all kinds of things. Writing, baking juggling. Decide to write a book. It's funny because so I went to King Arthur to work with a guy named Jeffrey Hellman who I was a mentor and Jeffrey wrote a book that was very successful and has been translated into five languages or six languages now. People would say to me, well, you're kind of Jeffrey's right-hand guy now and you're going to write a book. I got nothing to say. What would I write about? I don't think I could write about baking. I felt like he had kind of said what needed to be said in some ways. But as a process and as part of that, I'd done just like a little bit of writing. I'd written these very short little things to describe some breads that I was making and it was really cool. I really enjoyed it. And then I also did some drawing for it and I had to get someone to take pictures and so we sort of made this thing and I thought this would be fun. I would do this. If someone wanted me to do this, I would try and do this. I felt like I finally had something where I could put words together that hopefully would be meaningful or inspiring on some level. So here I am. Worked out. I got lucky, I think. How long did it take? I wrote it in just over a year and I was kind of writing on weekends. And then I basically I wrote the sort of what I call like the narrative portion just over a year and was working on the recipes all the time and then they gave me a little bit more time to sort of wrap up the recipes and get everything tested and make sure that I knew what a volumetric measure of flour weighed and some of those things and then get all the recipes proved. But about a year, about a year of weekends probably six months of weekends and then the rest of the year just not coming up for air ever between work and kids and everybody else. So your book is lovely. Thank you. Thank you for writing it. We got it for my 19-year-old for Christmas and before he went back to school we got to have ciabatta, brioche, bagels and three or four more which is good so we're the investment. Wow. In the book. So, but he has a couple questions. He's in school. So he wanted to understand how you got into finance in the first place and how you got from finance to bread baking because he felt like you elided that and wanted to know more. Yeah, good question.  I'll make him brief because... That was his question. I'll try and read brief because I feel like I... Everybody takes a winding path. Yeah, no, it's definitely a winding path. So we moved to New York City because New York City is where you have to be if you're a professional. If you want to sing professionally in classical music you kind of need to be in New York City because it's like the clearing house for auditions both nationally and internationally and if you want to have artist representation like management, you kind of have to be there and be available for auditions, right? And so we moved to New York City and my wife's also a singer and we're both just gutting it out and I fell into doing some computer work at an investment bank which was first on just a temporary basis and I was working at night and it was challenging and I like a challenge and so I don't know it's like I blinked and all of a sudden I had like employees across the U.S. working for me and you know so I don't know how it happened but a lot of time in Excel but it wasn't well aligned with me I think I liked the challenge of it but it just wasn't well aligned with me and so I started looking for things that did align and I think when I went to conservatory I left my banjo at home it should have been a little bit of a warning sign like don't go too far away from those things that resonate literally and figuratively, right? And so I kind of when I realized I was under water a little bit there were some points and I think one of them was 9-11 I think that was a really good warning sign for me because it was sort of before and after event and I think different generations had those events, you know where were you when or what were these things that were pivotal at a national level and that was something that at least from my generation was pivotal it was a measuring stick to me in a certain way that said you know, here's what you're doing and is this the life you want is this what you dreamed of? What happens if you get, someone asked me the question I was important last night and someone asked me kind of a similar question like what led to the change and I said death you know, like mortality like we got to kind of take advantage of this so I was looking for things that had resonance my parents, I grew up with my parents making all of our bread I was in California singing a charity benefit for an AIDS organization and I was at a homestay, my wife was with me and the guy who lived at the house was making bagels, like really good bagels and he had this book, Daniel Leder's book The Bread Alone Cookbook and I opened it up and had these pictures of bread in it that were just bread, you know it was like bread I hadn't seen and I just went down this rabbit hole it was like I've got to be closer to that however it is, get out of my way like clawing and scratching running with like gate mod and you know giving that and I ran after it and then that's all it took that big carrot out in front of me does that help? I covered both ends of that right how I got in and how I got out sure I did a good job did you grow up playing the banjo? I did a little bit my mother did a few things with great intuition and one of them was like 16th birthday gave me a banjo not a nice one like that but a banjo it just I don't know I think that it was good for me to get back to that it's the soundtrack of my youth when I kind of tried to turn my ship around going in a good direction again it was one of the things I went back to and so I wrote a book basically so that I can go around and play banjo yeah it's working so what's next? you've done the hacking art there you've written a book you're playing the banjo so it's something about another proposal trying to I'm working on a proposal for a book that's kind of like a little bit of an obvious choice like a farm to table book with a friend of mine who's an incredible career changing farmer so I think we're kind of trying to work on something bigger than I want to do and I'll tell you what it is I think that we've got to get back to talking this is my little soap box I think that we have to get back to talking and not just the people we truck around with virtually or physically but I think we've got to get back to talking even to the people we don't necessarily agree with and so I'm trying to figure out a way that I can use bread and baking and connection to reach across and get outside of my silo and get uncomfortable and go back to Arkansas and spend time in a blue state and talk to people and figure out what the hell is going on because we've got to get back to treating people with respect to humanity and I feel like we're broken right now and I want to move the bar on that and I want to use food to do that because we all need food food is our most human connection food is where community began we've got the shape of a fire and people are round a fire handing food and I don't care who you are and where you come from and whatever let's share some food and that's because it's our most common space food is our most common space it's what we all share you know, seconds of oxygen what do we share what do we have great commonalities so I'm trying to find some space to work on that and get that project going Baker maker road show we call it the road show in my house we call it the road show we've got to get the road show going but I want to ride around on a bicycle on a bike with people I don't know in the rural south we'll see, scary though it scares the hell out of me because I'm going to get upset you know you have questions? baking, writing clicking what's your opinion on the I've been doing the no need no need, yeah it's so easy, right? I beg all my bread now guess how many breads in this book are needed one really? and it's not because I think it's like the no need method I didn't do that purposefully I like to follow a different way of making bread which is what we call kind of like folding folding, right folding sounds weird in terms of bread making but the reason that we need and the reason that we fold is to develop strength within the dough environment strength is what helps us build the bread skyscraper instead of the bread flying carpet, you know what I'm saying so strength, gluten is what gives us that structural integrity to build the nice bread skyscraper and so, needing is one way to do that in the professional environment we use mixers, specific mixers spiral mixers to form strength within the dough environment but we can also get strength via a process that we refer to as folding and folding is basically when you add flour and water together you have kind of a chaotic environment there's not a lot of organization it's like if you're knitting a sweater and you start by taking a skein of yarn and you put it in the blender for a couple minutes you get all these tiny pieces, right that's kind of what's in the flour bag before it's hydrated, right and you still have this kind of unorganized network via kneading or developing in a spiral mixer or folding, we knit together this environment, essentially building these long strands of yarn with which we can knit a beautiful sweater or scarf like you have, right so so folding is the way that we can develop strength within the dough environment no need method like the Jim Leahy Mark Bittman method that became popular develops dough using hydration and time also so it's a viable way to develop strength in that environment and I think it's a great like gateway drug to serious baking you know, because it's like you can kind of do it, you mix it together it's got a small quantity of yeast it has good fermentation flavor because it's left out at room temperature for 12 to 14, 16 or more hours depending on whether or not you remember it right to my palette, I kind of I tried it a few times and then I moved away from it a little bit because I felt like there was an excess of certain flavors each time I would try it and so I wanted to have a little bit more control over the fermentation and so I think that you know, I have all the breads in the book have bulk fermentation we call bulk fermentation which is the period of time after the mix and before the shape, right period of time but it's more control than I think but I do think that that no need method can be really good for making a good basic bread and I think it's a great way to see like ooh am I interested in this and do I want to get a little bit more science about it or am I making bread that everybody's eating so why complicated if it ain't broke right dang keep them coming so yeah but I think it's a totally viable method and one of many to you know that you can use to make great bread for sure to answer it did I opine and frame it sort of somewhat I mean it's very accessible super accessible yeah and are you baking in a Dutch oven is that how you do it yeah I mean that's a great way to bake at home if you haven't tried that that's a really good way to bake at home it's a good way to make a nice crusty loaf without too much fuss you know one of the challenges in the home environment is to get the steam down and you know sort of make this mockery of the masonry oven that we have at King Arthur and at Red Hen also nice big ovens with lots of thermal mass and you're baking right on the hearth you know so you get radiant heat you get convection you get conduction you know all these different kinds of heat that combine to make crusty bread so you can sort of make your own miniature masonry oven via the use of a Dutch oven or a cloche or you know there are a lot of different hacks for sort of making that yeah with the lid on because during baking you know a loaf will lose 10 to 15% of its moisture and so it actually weighs less when it comes out of the oven than when it went in so if you bake inside a pot that moisture is sort of self steaming and if you're baking in a moist environment it's like when you put the bread in the oven it's like putting like a shirt on that's one size too small and then you know you go to the gym and you work out and it's like you're ripping out of the shirt now that's kind of what happens in the dough environment and that when the yeasts begin to heat up to a certain point maybe 96 degrees their activity increases and increases gas production increases loaf volume increases oven spring happens if you do that in a moist environment even further rather than sort of feeling straight jacked because what happens is the exterior will dry and then the loaf is sort of constricted but if it's in a moist environment like inside your pot with the lid on for the first two thirds only of baking you get nice expansion it self steams take the lid off leave it in the pan to finish we'll pop it out and let it finish just on the rack in the oven and it's a great way to mimic the professional oven in the home environment if you're making right now and I guarantee you I've never made that bread before because the quality I think will probably be significant and better yeah please so the flip of that if you don't have a lot of time don't have the time for the fermentation what suggestions for developing flavor quickly so do you want to do it quickly or do you want to do it without a lot of active time you know what I'm saying quickly so it's like I give him a five and I want bread at six darn it yeah you know it's hard in the analogy that I always use and I always wonder I think it's okay to make but tell me if it's not I always say you can't take nine women and make a baby in one month you know what I mean it's a linear you know you can't compress it necessarily I would do that what I would do would be to make things like crackers and you know what you can make with 100% whole wheat flour and you can roll them through tons of healthy seeds and they bake up really quickly and you can have them with dinner or I make things like roti which is a whole wheat non-whole wheat version of non which can be ready relatively quickly remember that in addition to fermentation like fermentation is also digestibility you can do this to some degree as it relates to the bread environment so not only are you increasing flavor but you're increasing digestibility phytic acid breaks down there's some good nutritional benefits to like having that longer process but what I would encourage you to do is to think about so bread making happens over a long period of time but with little active work it's kind of like it needs a check-in here's your fresh water here's your gruel I'll see you at 5 o'clock and we'll see how things are going it takes a little planning and I understand that that's like I can be a pain in the butt I totally get that so I would say if you want to do it quickly I think the best thing to do is to go grab a loaf of bread that way and then spend your time making a delicious meal loaf of bread, you know what I'm saying because there really is no shortcut for fermentation it just takes time but if you can sort of look at your process you can set a pre-ferment the night before in the morning you can get up and you can do a quick mix if you let it ferment in a cool place you can use thermal factors to slow down the rate of fermentation that sounds a little bit complicated but the activity is slower in colder environments so there's some ways to do some massaging but I would say that's like bread 201 as opposed to like the first thing you want to try because it's a little bit more like juggling knives than but give it a shot see how it goes your mistakes I made a lot of the no need normal routine takes days I think there's nothing wrong with doing that method there's nothing wrong with that method and I think that you probably get great flavor and you found ways to add grains and whole grain content that is also a way to add flavor so I don't think your bread making process is broken sounds like you're making it one straight up Walter Sands beginning to end I put some breads in the book and there are lots of breads out there that are like a 90 minute bulk you know and then you've got the rice too sorry that's pretty fast though yeah it's pretty fast it's an afternoon you know I used to my mom made a lot of bread and I remember coming home and it's like down the counter kind of thing you know it's like I don't know no one died do your kids bake with you they do some baking my middle child has her own cupcake business called the perfect cupcake but I'm trying to steer her away from it a little bit just because it's like sugar sugar sugar you know but the cupcakes are fun it's fun to watch her play with flavor and think about flavor and that's really fun but she got an order around Christmas for a bridal shower from 96 12 years old she's sort of looking at me and I'm going I'm not going to help you but somehow I'm on the hook for the ingredient cost we've got to talk business plan here but she's got her business cards and her tote bag and she's got containers so it's fun it's important making is fun right yeah any questions about King Arthur but if you get their catalog everything is a box oh the mixes yeah there are a lot of mixes and yeah we're trying to find our way to better communication and contact with serious home bakers so I actually spent all of last week with eight people in the conference room developing a prototype for a resource that would be like a really high premier resource for high end bakers who are serious about baking with natural leavens and all of that so a lot of what you see of the mixes but then dig in a little bit and you'll see some flowers and grain blends and things like that that are helpful but there are a lot of people who are trying to figure out baking and for a lot of people the easy way to begin is to go into a mix and there's a whole line called the central goodness where they've really tried to get a very short the shortest possible ingredient list into a mix but it's still a big portion of what people want and so we're trying to move the bar on that by influencing content and reaching people who are really interested in scratch baking it's hard the classes are fun I just took a class a couple of weeks ago and last year I took one and the classes are not targeted to their product they're really targeted to understanding the science of what's going on and having a real hands on experience with someone supporting you as far as your space and all of that and so it's not just like not that so it was too bad a bread but I learned a lot about the temperature of things and how the gluten works and all of that stuff so that I got a broader understanding because I had a lot of baking with yeast so that was what I was looking for and I certainly came away with a lot of that and when you come away what you have is successful and I've taken a Filo class too which sounds complicated but the class is not but I would definitely try one of the classes they take three or four hours depending on what it is and you really do come away with a beautiful product a lot of information and it's really well organized they're really well organized they get the timing down not to promote anybody have any other questions? you can play something on some banjo yeah I'd love to play for sure I'm just going to put a few books up there and let you know you're welcome to purchase the book the registers are downstairs I'm sure he'll sign them I can't believe that this man can bake bread write books and play the banjo he's got to have some hobbies thank you I'll play an old tune in banjo it's like the weather in Vermont if you don't like it just wait this banjo is made in North Carolina in Asheville and all the woods from right around Asheville it's walnut with this nice little piece of persimmon and all the hardware is made in the U.S. so I finally so it feels nice to play that