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Dragnet, the documented drama of an actual crime. For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step-by-step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. Was Tuesday, December 21st, was windy in Los Angeles. We were working the night watch out a traffic division hit-and-run felony detail. My partner's Ben Romero, the boss is Captain Calphi, Commander A.I.D. My name's Friday. It was 10.51 p.m. when we got to the Carlton Theater, the box office. Thank you. How many please? Police officers, ma'am. I'd like to talk to you for a minute if it's good. Oh, yes. You mean about the accident? Yes, ma'am. One of the officers in the traffic car across the street, he told us you're one of the people who saw it happen. Yes, that's right. Terrible thing. It was an old lady in a zam sun, you know. Yes, ma'am. But it'd be possible for you to get a relief for a little while. A few questions we'd like to ask you about. It won't take very long. Well, I'll be off duty 11. That's in the box office. 8 minutes to 11 now. Would you like to wait? All right, ma'am. Fine. Cold wind out there. Would you like to wait in here? Right on back here. We'll go for it. All right, ma'am. Thank you. Yeah, it's nice and warm. Did anybody get the license number? Do you know officers? I mean, on that truck that ran them down? No, not that we know of. We understand the officers in the traffic car talk to you. You didn't see the number either? No, I'm sorry. I didn't. The whole thing happened so fast. I saw the old lady grab the little boy, pull him next to her. It was an awful thing. The truck hit them both together. It's funny the things you notice. The boy was carrying a little box of candy. I heard this terrible sound when the truck hit them. I looked and the candy was spilled all over the street. This couldn't help it. I got sick to my stomach. Yes, ma'am. I understand. How about this truck that ran them down? Do you think you'd know it if you ever saw it again? I'm not sure. I think I might. Yes. It was one of those delivery trucks, you know. I think you'd call it a panel truck. It was a light pan color all over. And there was black lettering on the side. Mm-hmm. Good. Good. Good. All right, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was a light pan color all over. And there was black lettering on the side. Mm-hmm. Could you make out any of the lettering at all? Well, I think there were three or four words painted on the side. And I know one of them was bakery. I'm sure of that. Did you recognize what maker truck it was, ma'am? Are you in the model? It was a late model. I'm pretty sure of that, either Chevrolet or Ford, I'd say. One of those regular delivery trucks like some bakeries use. Are you sure about that word you saw lettered on the side? It said bakery. Yes. I'm positive of that. Now, anything else out of the ordinary that you might have noticed about the truck, ma'am? Anything outstanding that might have caught your eye? No, I'm sorry, officer. That's about all I can tell you. How is the old lady? Do you know, in the little boy, could they tell you anything? Yes, ma'am. The woman's dead. She was killed instantly. They've taken the youngster over to Georgia Street receiving hospital. I'm afraid he's in pretty bad shape, too.  Poor old lady. She lives right here in the neighborhood, you know. I've seen her shopping in the market next door here, Saturday afternoon. It's just tragic. Yes, ma'am, it is. Boy's her grandson, you know. Somebody said he was down visiting her for the Christmas vacation. He seemed like a nice kid, well-behaved. He seemed so proud of him. It should be a sad Christmas for the family. There's just one more question, ma'am. When the boy and his grandmother were crossing the street, would you say the visibility was good? I mean, is there any reason why it would have been hard for a driver to see them? No reason in the world, officer. It's a clear night. You can see how well the intersections lighted up, all the Christmas lights drawn up along here. The lights from the theater marquee were just as well-lighted then as it is now. Yeah, I see. The intersection was perfectly clear. No other cars around. Boy had a white sweater on, and the old lady was wearing a light-colored coat. It's certainly easy to see the traffic light, too. It said, stop. I can't understand why that driver didn't see him. No, ma'am, neither can we. How could anybody do such a thing? It just isn't an excuse for it. No excuse in the world. It's downright murder. Well, maybe that explains it. Why? That's why it kept going. 11.35 p.m. Ben and I finished interviewing the cashier in the theater box office, and then we called the office and had them get out a supplementary broadcast and an APB on the description of the hit-and-run vehicle. We went back across the street to the scene of the accident, where the officers in the T-car, along with the crew from the crime lab, were finishing up their preliminary investigation. We interviewed two more witnesses to the hit-and-run accident, but they were unable to tell us anything that we didn't already know. When we got back to the office, we put in a call to George Street receiving hospital where they told us the nine-year-old boy struck down to the hit-and-run driver was still in a critical condition. The husband of the 64-year-old woman who had been killed instantly was brought downtown to the morgue where he identified the body. The next morning, we got out a special bulletin to all garages, auto repair and paint shops throughout the city to be on the lookout for a late-model, tan panel truck, black lettering on the side with damage to the front end. 8.30 a.m. I checked with communications and then I went back to the office. All right. Just checked with George Street, Joe. I asked him about the boy. The old lady's grandson. How's he doing? About the same, critical condition. That's about all they'll say. That's a lousy shame. Communications, get any cake back on the old point, Joe? No, nothing at all. If you get in touch with the crime lab. Yeah, they're not going to be able to help much. What do they find out there, anything at all? Just what we saw. Two small pieces of glass, probably from one of the headlights on the truck. I don't think they're going to be able to do much with them. There's not enough air going. That's the only physical evidence they got, huh? And so, might be able to tie it down a little tighter if we can find that panel. Yeah. You start checking on that bakery truck angle yet? McGowan and I called every bakery in town. Got it pretty well narrowed down. There's only two companies that use 10 late model panels for delivery trucks. Only one of them uses black lettering on the sides of the truck. Other companies, they use red lettering. Which one has the black? Got it right here. Outfit called Nielsen's Wholesale Bakery. They got a fleet of 100 black lettering on both sides, late model four delivery trucks. They tell you whether or not any of their drivers could have been making deliveries that time at night, 10, 30, 11 o'clock? Yeah, they were about a dozen of them out on deliveries. More of them to account for than that, though. What do you mean? All their drivers are allowed to take the trucks home with them when they are off duty if they want to. Yeah. I'm afraid he's going to mean checking out every one of them, you know. Well, we might as well get moving on it. They're going to give us some kind of a list to work with, are they? Yeah, kind of don't set up with them. Again? Uh-huh. Accident investigation, Omero. Oh, yes, sir. That's all. I see. You're right, thank you. You're welcome, Bill. Yeah, what's the matter? That young kid, the grandson. Yeah. He just died. Many times and on many different occasions, the police officer has it proved to him that there can be very little difference between a crime of neglect and a crime that's been willfully premeditated. If you look at it closely enough, you can judge it for yourself. How much difference, for example, as far as moral guilt is concerned, is there between the following? Number one, a man who plans a killing, takes up a gun, finds his victim, and shoots him to death. Or number two, the man who thinks he has to look out for no one's welfare but his own, gets behind the wheel of a car, disregards the ordinary rules of safety, and proceeds to commit homicide with a motor vehicle. Oftentimes, the crime masquerades under the guise of an accident. Morally, no matter how you spell it, it adds up to murder just as surely as if the person had taken a gun and shot the victim down. The way it looked to us, the hit-and-run killing of the elderly woman and her grandson was a prime example. Wednesday, December 22nd, Ben and I began checking out the delivery trucks owned by Nielsen's wholesale bakery. Late that afternoon, we located one of the trucks with recent damage to the front end. We checked and found the driver's name was Arthur V. Singer. We drove out to his home to interview him. No, I wasn't working last night, officer. I was off. What's it all about? Did you spend the night at home, Mr. Singer, or were you out? It was home part of the time. After dinner, I went downtown to Little Bowling, and I drove a team of bulls every Tuesday night. Where is that thing? Place downtown, it's on West 7th. Got a pretty good team. Did you drive down, Mr. Singer, or did you take the bus? No, I drove down. Had the company truck with me. Let us use them when we're off duty. We pay for the gas. Did you drive down by yourself or was there someone else with you? No, I was alone. The other bulls had their cars. When did you leave the bowling alley, you remember? Hmm, about 10, 10, 15, I'd say. How'd you drive home, Mr. Singer? I mean, what route did you take? Oh, I drove straight out West 7th. Got the Coronado, came over Coronado and got the bus here. What do you want to know? What time did you get home? About quarter to eleven. This wouldn't be about that little scrape I had last night, would it? What was that? Down at 7th and Grandview, right by Westlake Park there. Old guy in the car ahead. He stopped fast, right in front of me. He didn't even signal. All right. You know, almost plowed right into him. Luckily, I was watching. I slammed on the brakes, turned in toward the curb. Should have seen it. I clipped a headlight and a right fender against the telephone pole. Had to take the truck in this morning, get it fixed up. Are there any witnesses to this accident that you had, Singer? Yeah, a half-dozen people saw it. Did you get any looms, Andrew? Well, no, I didn't. I was so teed off about the whole thing, I guess I didn't think about it. Is there anyone at all we can check with anybody to corroborate your story? Just the old guy in that car. Sure, a lousy driver. I really chewed him out. Did you get his name in, Andrew? No, but I took down his license number. I wasn't going to pay for that damage. He admitted it was his fault. Do you mind giving us that license number? No, if I can find it. I wrote it down on the back with an old envelope. I put it in my jacket. When I looked this morning, it wasn't there. It's around someplace, sir. I'll check around again before I leave for work. It'll start to turn up. I'd like to have you look for it now, Mr. Singer. If you would, it's pretty important. Well, I think I get it, officer. What's this all about, anyway? Preliminary investigation. Want to see if you can find that number for her? Wow, what did I have to do with an investigation? I didn't do anything. That old man was his fault. A bakery truck was involved in a serious accident last night. The same kind that you were driving. Fred, you're going to need some kind of an alibi, Mr. Singer. Alibi? I don't know what you mean. Why do I have to have an alibi? Well, just take my word for it. You're going to need one. Two reasons. Yeah? A nine-year-old boy and his grandmother. We continued questioning the suspect, Arthur Singer, but he denied any knowledge of the hit-run accident the night before at the intersection of Drexel and Pico Boulevard. We stayed with him while he searched his home for the license number of the car, which he said caused him to have his accident the night before. After half an hour of looking, he came up with a number scribbled on a scrap of paper, which he'd found back in one corner on the floor of his closet. We put in a call to our DMV, and they came back with the information that the license number was registered to a Mr. Thomas Foley on Lancashire Boulevard. We drove out to the address to check with Mr. Foley, but there was nobody home. We left our card along with our message to contact us as soon as possible. 4.15 p.m., Ben and I got back to the office. At 4.35, Mr. Foley returned our call. Yes, so that's right. Oh, you did, huh? I see. Well, what time was that? Do you remember? Oh, all right, Mr. Foley, thank you very much. We may be contacting you later. All right, bye. What did you get? I thought this was starting out too easy. Why would he say it? Apparently, this Arthur Singer's telling us the truth. Mr. Foley says he did have a little scrape with a bakery truck last night. Describe Singer as a driver of the truck. Well, what about the location? Is Foley pretty sure about that? Grandview in West 7, because it happened about 10.35 last night. That put Singer about three miles from the scene of the hit run. It's impossible, Joe. Yeah. This Mr. Foley's right singer couldn't have done it putting anywhere near the scene. I sure thought he was it, didn't you? We can drive out and double check with Foley. Can't think of any reason why you'd lie about it, can you? I'll just, I'll get it. Accident investigation Friday. Yeah, Ted. Where? Yeah. Nobody, huh? Yeah, right away, thanks. It's moving a little fast. Got a piece of luck here. Who was it? Ted Zimmerman. He and McLendon are down south into town. Yeah? The hit-and-run truck, they think maybe they found it. 428 p.m., Ben and I left the office and drove to the south end of the city where we met with Sergeant Zimmerman and McLendon, a block from where the tan panel bakery truck had been located. As soon as the truck had been discovered, an immediate stakeout was placed on it. A Code 5 was broadcast on the vehicle's location, warning all units to stay away so as not to discourage the suspect in case he decided it was safe to return and get the truck. Ben and I drove down the side street where the truck was parked and got a good look at the front end of it. The right headlight was damaged and so was the right fender. While Zimmerman and McLendon remained on stakeout, Ben and I contacted the Nielsen Bakery people again, gave them the number of the truck and they traced down the driver's name for us. He was listed as Daniel Miller. He'd been employed by the bakery for the past three years and he had a good record. They told us this was his day off. 5.30 p.m., we checked at his home address but his wife told us he wasn't there. She said that besides driving a truck for the bakery, he also had a part-time job at night. He worked as a counterman at a coffee shop out on Wilshire Boulevard. We drove out to the coffee shop and interviewed him on the job. You know, I'm sorry, I don't know where the truck is. I wish I did. What happened, Mr. Miller? What's his story? No, no, not exactly. A fellow that comes in here quite a bit, his name's Paul, good customer. He borrowed the truck from me last night. Said he'd only be gone an hour. I haven't seen him since. Where does this man live, this friend of yours, Paul? Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know. Good customer. He comes in quite a bit at night when I'm working. Got to know him pretty well. He asked to borrow the truck for an hour. I didn't think much about it. Let him have it. Is there anything wrong? What's this Paul's last name, you know? Well, I guess I don't. Never thought to ask him, as a matter of fact. I guess he never had any reason to. About what time was it last night that you loaned him the truck? A little at eight o'clock, I think it was. He said he wanted to take his television set over to a guy he knew and get it fixed. He told me he'd be back by ten o'clock at the latest. You don't know where this man lives. You have no idea at all how to get in touch with him? No, I guess I don't, Sergeant. Why? You're in the habit of lending the truck to strangers? No, not usually. Well, what's your beef, anyway? What's this all about? What are your hours here at the coffee shop now, or when do you check in for work and when do you leave? I check in at seven o'clock. I go a straight five hours to midnight. That's when we close up midnight. You worked that shift last night, did you? 7 p.m., straight through to midnight? That's right. Monday through Saturday. Six days a week. That's a schedule. Just a part-time job for me, extra dough, you know? My regular job is driving the truck for the bakery. Was anyone around last night when your friend Paul came in to borrow the truck? Maybe another customer or waitress, somebody we could double-check with. No, there were a couple of other customers in the place. I don't know who they were, though. Why do you have to double-check anyway? I haven't done anything. I loaned Paul a truck, that's all. Now, have you anywhere at all of proving you were here from 7 to 12 last night? Must have been some customers you waited on that you remember. Sure, there are. At least half dozen of them. They'll tell you I was here. I'd like to have their names and addresses if you don't mind, Miller. Yeah. Excuse me a minute, huh? I've got a customer waiting on me. Sure, go ahead. Hi, Dan. I missed you last night. Hi, Fred. What do you have? Coffee. A couple of those donuts back there. Pot or sugar ones? Okay. 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Best of all, king-size cigarettes. 7.15 p.m. Wednesday, December 22nd. We continued questioning the hit-run suspect Daniel Miller for a full hour but he seemed to be unable to account for his time the previous night. His first story was that he'd been on duty behind the counter in the coffee shop without a break between the hours of 7 p.m. and midnight. Then after the customer entered and disclosed that he was in the coffee shop at 10.30 the night before and that Miller was nowhere about, the suspect switched his story. He said he thought he left the coffee shop briefly for about 15 minutes between 10.30 and 10.45 p.m. to run down the street to a hotel to say goodbye to some friends of his who were leaving for New York. We checked at the hotel but they didn't know Miller and they hadn't seen him the night before. They were sure of it. We returned to the coffee shop and took up the questioning of the suspect all over again but he made little or no sense at all. Apparently he was piling up lie after lie in an effort to cover his tracks before and after they hit and run murder the night before. 7.48 p.m. Ben and I pulled Miller off the job at the coffee shop and took him downtown to the interrogation room. I'm telling you it's the truth. I wasn't in that truck last night. I wasn't in an accident. I don't know what you're talking about. Well then give us something to go on, Miller. You've ended three different stories so far and not one of them strong enough to hold water. I'm telling you the truth. What are you trying to hang this on me for?  Why are you picking on me? Because you don't make sense, mister. You're trying to sell us a story and you haven't got one ounce of proof to back it up.  Now you come up with a solid story that we can check on her. You're going to be resting her back in the main jam.  I wasn't in that truck last night. Can't you get that through your head? I wasn't in the truck. I didn't have an accident. Then prove it to us, Mr. Miller. That's all we're waiting for. Listen, call Bill Coulter. He's a good customer. He was in last night, I think. He'll tell you. Go ahead and call him. He'll back up what I say. What's his number, do you know? Yeah, I got it. Right here in my wallet. Bill can tell you. Here it is. Thank you. Hello, William Coulter there, please. Yes, ma'am, it's important. All right, will you have him call Michigan 5211? Yeah, 5211. That's extension 2512. Right, thank you very much. Please, busy. He'll call back in a minute. He'll tell you the truth. I was in the coffee shop all night. Just those couple of minutes I ran down to the hotel and said goodbye to those friends of mine. That's the only time I left the place. How come you couldn't tell us that to begin with, ma'am? You say you've got nothing to hide? What do you have to hide in three different stories? Which one are we supposed to believe? I got nervous, that's all. When you first came in and started to ask questions, I didn't know what it was all about. I didn't know there was any trouble. I just loaned the truck to this guy, Paul, as a favor. How do I know what he was going to do? Getting himself in a jam like that. All right, I'll try to look at it from where we stand, Miller. You loan out your truck to a man. You don't know his last name. You don't know where he lives. You say he must have been driving the truck when the lady and the boy were killed. Sure he must have been driving it. I wasn't. I was back at the coffee shop. I was there until midnight. All right, then prove it to us. If you know the man well enough to loan him the truck, you ought to be able to find him. They must be Bill Kohler. He'll tell you. Go ahead. See what he says. Interrogation Room Friday. Oh, yeah, Mr. Kohler. My name is Sergeant Friday, LAPD, Accident Investigation. Friday, yes, that's right. Wonder if you'd tell me if you know a Daniel Miller? Mm-hmm. When's the last time you saw him, do you remember? I see. The place where he works, the coffee shop. Were you in there last night by any chance? Did you see Miller in there? You're sure. Yes, sir. No, sir, that's all for now. Thank you very much. We're going to contact you later on. Thank you. Goodbye. Well, how about it? He told you, didn't he? Is that enough for you? He says he hasn't been in the coffee shop for three days. 9.45 p.m. Our interrogation of the hit-and-run suspect Daniel Miller went on. At his suggestion, we called half a dozen people who he figured might substantiate his alibi, but none of them were able to. Miller continued to deny any knowledge of the hit-and-run killing, but he still couldn't account for his whereabouts at the exact hour the 9-year-old boy and his grandmother were run down. The time element especially didn't work in his favor. Nothing worked in his favor. 11.30 p.m. Ben and I took Daniel Miller over to the main jail where he was booked in on suspicion of 480 V.C. The following afternoon, his lawyer obtained a writ, and he was released from custody. The writ was returnable in five days. He came immediately to the office to plead with Ben and I to help him find Paul, the man who'd borrowed his truck and thus clear himself. We took him up on it. Either way, we figured we'd get to the bottom of it. If Miller dreamed up the character, Paul, to escape blame for the hit-and-run killing, we were bound to find out sooner or later. If Miller was telling the truth, we had little reason to believe he was, and a man named Paul had borrowed the truck the night of the hit-and-run killing, we were bound to find that out too. In any event, we had to investigate. It's the job of the police officer to prove guilt or innocence, not guilt alone. Two days passed, and then another two. The Monday following the Christmas weekend, we were ready to call a halt. I don't know what else we can do. I think we've given enough time, don't you? The deeper we get into it, the more it looks like Miller's our man. I still can't make up my mind. Why do you have to be stubborn about it? We've checked every possible angle on this story. We still haven't announced the proof that this guy, Paul, he talks about even exists. We can't string along with Miller forever. I suppose you're right. We've given him a square enough break on it. I still got that funny hunch. It's possible he might be telling the truth. We've gone four straight days on it, Joe. Haven't come across one lead to back up his story. Too much for me. I can't buy it anymore. Go ahead. Sergeant. How are you, Miller? I'm okay. Glad to see you. I've been looking for you. We've been looking for your friend, Miller. Still haven't found a trace of him. That's why I came down to see a friend of mine call me this morning. He knows this guy, Paul. I told you about it. He says he saw him last night, going into a hotel down on South Flower. How come we haven't heard from this friend and checked through twice on the list of everybody you know? This fella's been out of town. Just got back yesterday. When he heard about the jam I was in, he called me about seeing Paul. This hotel Paul was supposed to have been seen going into. You got the address? Yeah. It's over on South Flower, right near 12. Want to go over there with me right now? This friend of mine wouldn't kid me. Paul must be there. You're sure about that. He must be there. I'll bet a month's pay on it. You might be low, mister. What? It tends to cost you a lot more than that. We went up to the third floor, room 318, but the man registered as Paul Barton wasn't in. He'd left no word at the desk as to when he'd return. We sent Miller home and told him to wait for our call. Ben and I went on stake out at the hotel. At 7.25 that night, Paul Barton returned to his room and we began questioning him. He showed no signs of being upset. His answers were quick, straightforward, and they seemed to make sense. The interview went on.  He contradicted himself. Big holes began to show up in his story as to how and where he'd spent his time the night of the hit-run killing. 8.45 p.m. Ben and I took Barton back to the office. We found Zimmerman in the squad room and had him phone Miller at his home and ask him to come downtown as soon as possible. Meantime, we checked Paul Barton through our eye and then we took him to the interrogation room where the questioning went on.  I thought you said you went to that boy downtown about 10 p.m. and then you went to visit at your sister's house. Now you tell us you went to your sister's house first and then you went to the bar downtown. Now, which is it? Well, that's getting a little high-handed, isn't it? Why do I have to account for my time to you? If it wasn't important, we wouldn't be asking you. I think you know that. Well, I don't know anything of the kind. You're trying to take advantage of me. That's the only impression I can get. I think I've answered enough of your questions and go back to the hotel. Just a minute, Barton. There's one more thing. I think you heard me. Well, that was a year ago. I was driving a little too fast, going up Beverly Boulevard. And what's that got to do with it? Our record bureau says the charge was for drunk driving. Your license was revoked, isn't that right? Well, so what? I haven't been driving. I haven't been near a car. What about last Tuesday night? Last Tuesday night. Do you do any driving then? No, no, of course not. You sure about that? You're not trapping me. I answer all your questions. I'm getting out of here.  You got nothing to hold me on. All right, then there's nothing to worry about. This won't take very long. We got a man by the name of Miller coming in. He says he thinks he knows you. Miller? I don't know any Miller. Nice going, Paul. Why you been? I said why you been? What'd you do with the truck? I'm getting out of here. Grab him, Ben. Grab him. All right. Let me go. Let me go. Settle down, sir. Come on, Mr. Settle down. Don't move, I did. I'm going to prove it, Paul. I'm going to help him prove it. You sure been a real good friend. But give me a break, Danny. I didn't mean it, honest. I didn't mean it. I loan you the truck. You get boozed up.  Then you take off and leave me holding the sack. Like I did it. I didn't mean it, Danny. It was an accident. I wasn't boozed up. Yeah, you're a real good friend. I hope you get it in the neck. I hope you get it with both bowels. When I was boozed up, I only had two drinks. Now believe me, that's all I had. I couldn't have been drunk. It doesn't affect me that way. Two drinks never hurt me. A couple of drinks never hurt anybody.  The story you have just heard was true. 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This is Mary Vang and Nithya Ruff, and we both run open source offices at two very different companies. And so we wanted to talk to you today about two case studies. One is about Walwell Car. How many of you know Walwell Car? Yes. And how many of you know Amazon? So the second case study will be Amazon. The first will be Walwell. And we wanted to talk, a lot of you are familiar with Ospo's. We wanted to talk about the fact that there's more to an Ospo than managing risk, managing compliance. It's all about also making our developers' lives easier. So that is the angle that we're going to take today, because all of you know compliance, so we'll really focus on engineering effectiveness. And we'll start with Walwell and Mary Vang. Thank you, Nithya. Okay, great. My name is Mary Wang, and I'm a director of open source ecosystem for Walwell cars. My background is quite complicated. At the beginning, I was a DevOps engineer, I think almost 10 years ago. They are transferred to these CIACV areas, continuous integration, continuous deployment. Of course, open source is my side area in Walwell cars. That's also why I picked this up kind of quickly. Yes, time flies. I still remember last year exactly the same time almost September. I joined the open source summit in Dublin. That is my first time to join open source summit conference as a participant. So I'm so lucky and happy. This time, the second time I can join this event as a speaker, especially with Amazon together. So this is a picture I found which is very mapping the situation. Walwell car, Walwell Amazon car. How many of you have driven this car before? Oh, really? Okay, I uploaded this car to the AWS. Nithya, you can download and drive it. Let me know what is your drive experience for this car. Okay, as we know, Amazon Osborn, I think you have created for maybe 15 years ago. I think it's a big brother or big sister for us. So what was Osborn, how old are we? Nine months. In fact, this is an edge in the paper. In the reality, I think it can be like two years, one and a half years old from the data I initiated this activity. So even though it's a little bit young, but I think in this past year, we still accomplish a lot based on the creative and fundamental stuff. As you know, open source today is like flocking into many areas, many industries. But can you find any open source here in our antique car? For example, the first car drove out from the factory in 1927. Probably no open source, no Osborn, no open chain. Nothing. But can you find anything related to open source here? Not the latest car, but focus on this three point safety seat. I think that is the open source conception, because one of our greatest engineers in Volvo cars have invented this three point seat belt. We didn't take this as a commercial product, because it saves the life all in the whole world. So we make it as an open source. This is the greatest contribution in the world, I think. So time flies. Any open source software here with our new model car. So we have some new car here, EX90, EX30, EX90, et cetera. Of course, we focus on the safety, sustainability and the new technology as before, but with a lot of open sourcing it. That's why Osborn was born. So we bring a lot of value here also to reduce the risk to try to be compliant and focus on the security part also. But let me know if you want to buy one of this car after this meeting. I'm not sure how much discount you can get, but I think I can be changing my career from the IT to the salesman. Okay. Here is our open source fundamental approach here from we built the open source. This happens, I forgot to mention one thing is important here, it's like before we formed Osborn. I think there are some information I would like to share to you. Different companies have different approach for how you form your Osborn in your organization. I can only take my case, it doesn't mean it's a perfect or bad or good, but this is just a real case I have. It depends on your where the initiative located, if you are the high manager or the middle manager or engineers, et cetera. In my case, it's where from the bottom to up. So engineers does driven this and go to up to the R&D manager. I think we did use some risk reduction as an excuse for the compliance part. But I realize that is not enough because reduced risk compared to product itself, product usually has the higher priority. But in this reality, if the developer needed to have a copy left license for example, it takes a long time to get it, that will affect the production speed. Also, if you don't have the good open source contribution process in place, the developer cannot upstream the bug fix. So that also affects this productivity. In that point, I think we get the buy-in easily. So our fundamental approach here is we still use this ISO standard from OpenChem project in Linux Foundation as a high level governance here. According to it, we create our open source directive. Oh, sorry. As an internal law to govern the whole company in enterprise level. That is owned by our IP people, but it's still in our awesome team. Of course, with this in place, nothing will happen if we don't train all the employee. So open source training is very important here too. Based on the ISO directive, then you build your process method and tools and instructions for implementation. This is the key, I think. And also when you do the training, it's very important with the practical instruction in place, not just to train the employee in the high level. They are not interested. They are just telling me what to do, how to do, what is the result you want. Of course, we also developed our open source status dashboard, not to embarrass people just as transparent information to everyone. So if every part is red, red, red, then no one cares in this big company. If someone becomes green, all the people want to be green. Yes. And we continue to send out to the open source newsletter as a broadcasting and sharing information, conference, etc. That's great. Here, rules and responsibility. As a result-oriented person, I usually like the first thing is define who, who do what. This is very important. So I put here three circle here. I didn't put the Ospawn very big because from the member, Ospawn in a big company is not that big compared to the developers. It's put it in the side and it's not the central. All the company, I think, almost all the company will focus on the product itself. That's the key. Without product in place, Ospawn is not needed. So product is always high priority, but the side area is also very important. So Ospawn's role, I think, is very clearly described in the to-do groups mind map. You can find a lot of this Ospawn definition here. What here I want to share with you is about the open source champion role. I know Amazon have 200 open source champion role, which has a connection between the Ospawn and the development teams. So this is what we learned from them. And also it depends how many open source champions you need. It depends on how many developers you have. So that's kind of what usually I think one of our colleagues said, like 500 developers need one Ospawn in place. And the open source champions acting the intermediate role to connect the Ospawn and the development teams, which is helping them, guiding them, training them and finish the compliance work. And you can see the overlap part. I put Ospawn is connected to both open source champions and the development teams. I always feel like if Ospawn is just standing in the cloud, don't touch the detailed things. It's very difficult to have the result very efficiently. So our Ospawn tried to kind of connect both OSS champions and play with the teams in practical to help them to build the CI chain, to help them to automation, to help them to guide what the output, where to store all of these criterias, et cetera. So open source training model, this is quite challenging areas. It's not difficult to create these materials, but how to draw out in a global enterprise level, how you reach out to all the employees. Just think about the work hours, like if one employee takes two hours for this course, how many hours a company needed. So it's not easy, but we divided this open source training model into like focus on engineers or leaders, managers on open source champions, et cetera, for new employees, so just cover as much as possible. This is more like forcing the open source culture in your company. Compliance, usually companies start with the compliance work, the same we do it also. The end-to-end compliance, in practice, from the beginning, when people initiate the open source request, until the end, you have the notice file, you have this copy-left archive stuff in place in your system, and when you need it, for example, when I need the information from this vehicle, I would like to know all the open source component with the corresponding copy-left archive software. Can you have it? You do not need to have it all the time, you should be able to fetch it or extract from your central system at any time. So without the automation here in place, I think it's very difficult to have the result. It will make the engineer mad. In the CI chain, I think it's different, companies have different tools. Of course, in Volvo cars, even in one big department, you can have different variants of these different toolings, different scanning to different version control tools. So how to, kind of, as an awesome to give them a centralized function or library for them to use is very difficult, but still you can find some kind of general ways for this to help them to achieve. It's not easy. We are trying to do so, but it's not finished yet. So many of this is in our pilot project today. We are not 100% done yet. Always deliver compliance artifacts in the binaries, I think everyone knows it. But in reality, Osborne, I don't know, maybe this task is not in other companies Osborne, but we Osborne have been involved in many detailed work here, including the name convention for your result, for the car related or non-car related or commercial other product, et cetera. So we covered many areas with detail here. Otherwise, you will get a lot of questions all the time. It's good to do yourself with a clear instruction and you get less bothered. So this is one of our pilot projects. It's the same as your iPhone, right? You have all of this information in your system setting, and we do similar. So if you drive the world car in the future, this will be in your system setting in your car. You get all of this open source information here. This is our fancy internal portal here. I'm proud of it because we got the first three as the best internal open source portal here. Because this is quite from engineers' needs. Because as an engineer, which information you need? I think as the entrance, you need to give the engineers a very easy way to find out what they need. Basically, what is the license list? If I include the open source in our car, what should I do? If I just use the open source in internal development, what should I do? If I just want to install this open source, if it's due license, what should I do? Just give them a clear instruction, one, two, three, four. And try to build all of these instructions in a transparent and automation way. So don't like hiding some information, like email communication, that is not transparent. So it's like the CI to chain visualization. In which phase, what is the status now? It's very useful. Open source contribution. Compared to the open source compliance, I think this part is quite common between companies with companies, because GitHub is probably the mainly used tool for today. It's like usually you divide all the open source contribution projects into the license part, security part, project part, and IP patent part. So all of these have different people responsible for these questions. And in this case, I read some blogs. I still like the SAP's way of working for this process. We are trying to build our own process now with this transparent. I think the CI conception is really great for anything. It's the same for, I take an example for the license part. For example, developers do not need to bother you all the time. They only need to bother you when they are not concerned or when it's not in the green list. And when they do the scanning, they have this result in place. Then this kind of the CI visualization, mapping, if it's in the list or not, if it is, just continue. If it's not, you get a notification, either by email or by SMS or by whatever. So that is very good, I think. Try to reduce the three steps. So based on our current, I don't think it's the totally automation way, but we are working on this to improve this open source contribution part. So far we have released nine projects. This is one of the fundamental also, like building your open source external portal. We have nine open source projects, which is focused on some, is focused on the product, some is focused on the tooling points. So, sorry. So open source part, contribution and consumption, all this kind of fundamental stuff, the two chain end-to-end, using a pilot project to make it in place is the first step for the OSPON to build it. So in these nine months, I think we have almost finished this fundamental stuff. Meanwhile, I will roll out all these trainings to find the open source champions, to think with each department's higher managers. Like nowadays, we have more and more questions. We have opensource.ovocast.com, email which used for both internal and external communication. Previously, it's very quiet. Oh, I said, oh, no one contacted me. And when it's rolled out, then now we are so busy, we have so many cases now. So it's good not to create it. Great. But we still have a lot of challenges nowadays, even though we have made a lot of progress, but still, for example, finding the experienced open source champions across the company is not easy. Especially the people with the passion or interest, even though some people are good at open source, but they don't like this role, they don't want to kind of continue working in this area, then it's not a good candidate for this role. So this, like, usually we focus on the developer or system architect to take this role because they know how the code interacts with the open source more than the corporation people. But still, the time, usually these people are quite busy. The second part is the priority, as I mentioned. You know, the product always has a high priority compared to all other side areas. This is a big change. I think it's similar to all products or all companies. Like if you belong to R&D, you are focused on the product, the budget is usually easier to get than other areas. And also different teams have different open source materiality level. For example, if it's in the infotainment system, 90% of the source code is open source. So it's quite easier for them to understand this. But some teams like Propulsion Area, for example, it's quite low level open source materiality. So to align this to kind of education, education is the only channel here to influence people step by step. I did, I do a summary here. All of these parts for the open source area request the process integrated to CI and help the team to resolve the how and to end the compliance process, contribution process is automation. Without automation in place, that is waste, any nearest life with the company's life, and time and money. So I think also there's quite a key here. Don't throw out anything if you are not ready. I mean, you can have a workaround based on the sample like if you don't have, you cannot build an automation in one month, let's say. You can have some workaround, but don't let that to be too long. So try to avoid any work itself to engineers. And if your legal people don't know how to use GitHub or how to use your JIRA, just train them. Because you can get, you can only have one or two legal, right? But you have thousands and thousands of engineers. So don't make them to suffering from this. The future, I think all of your car in the future is based on more than 99% of open source. So I will continue to drive open source, maybe not drive here, but drive. This is one of our speakers. Great, thank you very much. Any questions? Oh, yes, that's great, yeah. Next, welcome, Nithya. Are you okay with that? And so she was kind enough to do that. And this would be, okay, thank you. Fantastic, thank you. Thank you, Mary.  And by the way, she started the OSPO only in 2022. So this is, in one year, there's a huge transformation that Mary and her team have made in Volvo. So I'll do it at a slightly higher level. And one of the things I wanted to talk about first is, you know, I get asked this question all the time, you know, why does Amazon support open source? Why do we do open source? And there really are three main reasons. The first one is we use open source all over the company. From the beginning of the history of Amazon, we have built our infrastructure, our products, our services, all on open source. And I think Black Duck's study shows that companies have almost 70 to 90% open source in their open source stacks, in their product stacks, that is. So that's one of the reasons we do it. Because we use it, we need to support it, we need to get involved in it, we need to manage it from a compliance perspective. The second is, and this is more true on the AWS side, my team supports all of Amazon's stores, devices, Prime and AWS. On the AWS side in particular, our customers want us to support open source. They use our platform to do open source development themselves. So it's important for us to host services like managed Kubernetes or managed Postgres or Airflow or Kafka and things like that. And also to be experts at open source when we provide services. And the third reason is we feel that the world depends upon open source and we want to be a part of that global movement and be a good citizen in supporting open source. So building upon open source, I mentioned that it's foundational to our work. We have approximately, I don't know, between 70 and 80,000 developers across the company who build our products, who build services for everybody. And so imagine, as Mary said, imagine if every developer had to find the answers themselves about what is the license I should use, how should I contribute, how should I do this? It would take up so much of their time. So from an efficiency perspective, we wanted to create the OSPO so we can remove the barriers and delay from their work. So it should be really smooth from the time they intake a new open source project. It automatically verifies whether the license is acceptable. If it's not, it opens a ticket for the open source program office to verify. Otherwise, it goes through the build process, goes through the release process and goes through the entire process. If it's a distributed product, it actually comes to a point where in their program management process it says you need to do compliance, you need to do a distribution notice for this product. So they open a ticket and they come and talk to us and we provide guidance on the tools that they can use to scan and do the distribution and attribution notice. We approve and allow them to then go off and do an attribution notice. And as Mary was saying, we've also started doing champions because when you have 80,000 developers and you have like five or six open source program office people who help them, you cannot scale. So you really need to have a champion practically in every single product division who also know the identities of their own business. So the distribution challenges, say with an Alexa, is different than distribution challenges with a store or with something that we did on Prime Music. So we want to make sure that we have champions in those groups that work with us and help us do compliance faster. And the other area that I wanted to touch upon is risk management is good, but as Mary very well indicated, the lifeblood of the company, of any company's innovation, it's getting new products out to market. And you talk to any software developer, he or she, their happy moment is when their pull request gets merged or when they're able to get their code out or release out. It's not when they're doing a scanning to do a compliance document. So we want to balance the speed and risk. So sometimes it's automation. Sometimes it is tooling. Sometimes it is we centralize, we do work centrally on behalf of developers so that they don't have to do it. So lots of different techniques to remove some of the speed bumps and the delays from them. And frankly, open source is a core, core part of modern development today. So you have to build it into the CI CD process, into the development workflow. You cannot have it as an afterthought or an add-on or a bolt-on somewhere else. It has to be part of the development workflow. With regards to customers choosing open source, many of our customers do development using open source on our cloud platform. And they want us in every stage of the process to help them with choosing the right open source, knowing how to use our platform to do open source development. So we need to provide a platform that enables open source development. And a lot of them also want to customize our services so they'll send us a pull request. So things like user interface or tooling we provide on GitHub so that customers can then send us change requests on GitHub to use our services more effectively or to integrate it with their in-house services. And they want the cloud to be as easy for development as they want, you know, as they do on site. Being a good citizen in open source and for many, many years, I think the world was saying Amazon consumes but does not contribute and does not participate in open source, is not a good citizen. And what we have tried to do is to listen to that feedback and realize that we need to be part of the sustaining of open source. So you'll find that since the last, you know, 10 years we have been very, very visible in projects, in contributions, in supporting financially, in giving cloud credits, in really knowing that we need to be part of the solution. We cannot be just consuming and not doing anything. We contribute to thousands and thousands of projects and just like Mary was saying we have an external GitHub on which we release projects and host projects as well. And I will say all of us are on a journey to be a good citizen, an open source citizen because there is no kind of finish line. You're constantly learning how to, you know, improve. There is also no number which says you have to, you know, contribute so many times or you have to do so much work or so much money. So we are just on a journey on that. This is a pretty well-known picture in the Osbro community. It talks about the maturity stages of open source. Most companies will start with consumption. Then when they consume they realize, oh, oh, I've got to deal with licenses. I've got to deal with compliance if I distribute, et cetera. And so it's a mandatory thing so they end up doing that. And then they realize if I do a pull request or if I'm dependent upon a community I need to be engaged with that community so they get into community engagement, community education. But leadership truly, truly is about, I think, making open source kind of a seamless part of your company so that the culture is just embedded inside how you think, how you work, how you reach out. And so to me engineering effectiveness and being a strategic partner to the business so that when the CEO is making a decision he says, I want to talk to my open source people. I want to see how I can use that in this innovation strategy. So we want to be at the table of those important decisions and also build open source into the rest of the company. A couple of last thoughts. Today we burden developers too much. A study says that only 35% of a developer's time is spent on innovation. Almost 65% of the time is administration, paperwork, security, accessibility, compliance, administration, meetings. And so we really rob them of the opportunity to innovate on behalf of the company. And so we really, really need to make it easy. I remember in my previous company we would say, we need to take compliance all the way to the left and we need to make sure that developers are doing it from day one. But without giving them tools, without giving them education, without giving them support, you can't just throw one more task at them. And that's what a lot of us are trying very hard to do is to enable them to do it easily. And so really the nirvana is to go beyond compliance, making it delightful for customers to do their work every day, make it easy to comply, make it easy to use open source, and then automate, operationalize, centralize wherever it makes sense, reduce friction and delay, even if they have to cut a ticket. My dream would be, today we get almost 17,000 tickets a year, my dream would be zero tickets because just automatically things are resolved in the system or we have champions or people know how to do it. You know, with AI and with knowledge systems, you have got to be able to kind of self-resolve these things, right? And it should be a normal part of the development process so that we increase time for innovation, increase time for productivity, and help developers grow, and rather than having to do another checklist item. So with that, I'd love to invite Mary up here and take questions. I think we have time for about five to ten minutes. You take it. So the question is, who are these champions, what is their competency, and do they have dedicated time to do this? You want to take it? Yeah. As I mentioned, this in our case is not the full-time job like open source champion. So we start like, let's say, 10% kind of. We focus on the people who have the software-developed skills or system architectures this role so they know how the interaction with the internal code and the open source code. So sometimes you change it, remove it, or add on. So they know, because they're training, when we do the training, you know what kind of open source compliance you have. It depends on how you use it also, for this, let's say, LGPL and Apache, et cetera. When you modify it or not, it's different compliance work. So it's easier for them to understand it and easier for the compliance work. And it's also, usually, these people are fond of automation. So that's either part two. I think in our case, we particularly target teams that submit a lot of tickets. And we say, I think you need a champion in your team who can be a local help to you. And it could be someone who, in that software-development team, is responsible for doing compliance for that team. And we provide them a lot of training. And it's not dedicated. So one year, it may be 5% of their time. Another year, it could be 10%, 15%, depending on how many releases they do. We're trying to get to a point where we can keep them active and we can identify them in the system, in the outlook system, so that teams know who is a champion, has a star or something against their name and know who to reach out to. And also, we have an open source champion and an Osborne weekly meeting. So all of these champions can join this meeting regularly, weekly. Bring up your issues and questions to Osborne and discuss it together. This is a very good kind of environment for people to share to resolve the practical problems. Good idea. Shay. So the question or comment was, is champions a good way to create resilience in the business and also scale Osborne work across the company because Osborne budgets often get cut since it's a cost center. So I will say yes, absolutely. And I think Osborne should not be huge. They should not. They should be small groups of experts and their job should be to build it so much into the rest of the company that they're out of a job. But thanks to the complexity of open source, we'll always have a job. However, it should be. I'm not the manager. I don't have money, so I don't know. We really need these folks. The one challenge I have with champions is that they change jobs. And so constantly we have to keep training new people because they keep moving and they don't have relationship to open source anymore or whatever. Do you have another hour to talk? So the question is, and we both will answer, how did you get buy-in from leadership to build in open source compliance into CI CD pipelines across the company or even a central pipeline? How did you justify doing one central pipeline? And then how do you assist teams where they have contributors and they have to contribute to open source? How do you help those teams justify that developers need to spend 20% of the time doing open source when managers may not support that? I'll just take a quick stab at it. We are very distributed. We have teams who do so many different pipelines in the company. But there is one strong central pipeline for AWS in particular because the engineering teams for services want one central team to take care of security, SBOM, tooling and everything and not have to worry about the tooling themselves. So they have resourced and invested in this one central team that I belong to. I'm part of an Amazon software builder team. So they've given us money to kind of do a central BI for the whole company. So about 60, 70% of the company uses it, 40% use their own teams. And on the second question, we try to work with managers and business units to justify spending time to work with upstream communities. We basically say this is a big dependency for you. It's a business continuity issue. It's a risk issue you've got and more because that language they understand as opposed to saying it's a good thing. And you've got to work with your upstream community or else one day it will be gone and you will be holding a service with no upstream community. I really like your how because how is the problem result. I'll answer your two questions here. The first one is how you kind of make this into your CI chain. I think it's good that I have the CI experience. If the team, let's say, I just take one of this pilot project in place, what is blocked here? Because each company has your CI CD chain already in your team, right? How to insert this open source compliance part into it. Like integrate the tool, like scan into whatever, scan into to your CI chain, configure it and call your API to generate this result, where to store it in your existing system. So just connect all of this to them, help them to build their local teams. But let's say you have a different variant between teams, two teams. Take some example like you have the Garrett, you have your Zoo, you have the, let's say, scan also, BlackDuck, just take this as an example. So others can take this as a reference or build some common library just to write clearly what is the input and output, what is the parameter. So people can reuse it. For the contribution part, I forgot your question. The managers justify spending time, you know, their engineers spending time. Yes, if the engineer knows the value of the contribution, let's say upstream of their bug fix stuff, that need to be like support them positively. One important thing for us is like, how often they involved this, because this is all the open source contribution project that should have the record in your company or your offspring somewhere. Because you have this data in place, that is the next step you analyze which open source project is heavily involved in your company. Let's say you can take like 10% of this 100 open source projects and then focus on this 10%, maybe team A, team B, team H, use the same one. So you can gather this together to focus on this project. I agree with Mary. Some companies, including ours, will do a ranking of the top dependencies in the company. And at least for the top 50, you should have a good strategy for how you're working with that project. And then you've got to decide for the next thousands what you do, right? Whether you will have someone contributing or whether you will keep a tab on what's happening. Are we out of time or do we have time? Please. I think the Linux Foundation has done kind of an assessment of if you were to do the Linux kernel yourself, what it would cost you and how many years it would take. So to his point, you know, it's worth it. And from a technical debt perspective and all that stuff. I think this is a very hot topic. Yeah. I think this is quite a hot topic nowadays. It's, let's say, Sbom is not currently the Sbom 2.3 version. Sbdx version cannot fulfill the license compliance part totally. Cannot fulfill the security compliance totally. But we need it in place, right? For what reason? Maybe traceability stuff. So how to generate? I think many tools can generate this Sbom. But what information is there? We need some standard. Like each company can define your own, which data you need to put it. But with the Sbdx 3.0, now it's RC version, but hopefully we'll get it soon. Then it will integrate the license compliance part, security compliance part and AI data in it. So, and also this is very important. I think the developers probably need to get confused. Okay. All Sbom require this. Notice file and the archive, copy left archive. Security team comes here. You need to have this vulnerability report and blah, blah. Then the Sbom maybe from the product, or we need Sbom. But how you align these three different teams requirement into one channel, or in your development process, your CI CD, don't do it three times to get the same thing. Not the same thing, but you can use one or two tools to generate together. So that's very challenging part. I think it's a very interesting part. Thank you.


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I'm sure I mean I don't think Boston ever gets to the like zero-degree weather, but I'm assuming that Boston fans also know the cold anyway, so I'm sure they want it to be there Well, they're warmer, but yeah, you have to cover up so that way. Oh Man Josh out.  Whoo, and Jalen Phillips Dawson Knox with the TD Californians They're delayed because they're watching they're watching it on YouTube TV outside So they're like 20 seconds delayed. I'm team Nick's the way that Scrooge and a Trevor Lawrence blue chips blue 64 to 99 They didn't want to I don't think so I'm not really looking I mean Minnesota College has an outdoor stadium That Wilson and Center State Dante Cole pepper Yeah, well if you grew up in that weather, I'm sure you're not here used to I'd be playing with that on St. Paul Barclay, how many degrees is it inside this room? Oh right now it's 70 70 degrees Whoa, what the hell is this it's a wrong cut they should have cut it off right here Oh chase Edmonds and I am 38 604 dash fm semi-colon seven I Was just wrong to cut that's all That's pretty cool Devon Singletary Dale Kamara I don't know why they're watching college basketball unless Evans watching like Arizona, so you can tell them to switch it So they could be right on time Time to just flip it. Let's continue on yummy brown Patty my homes You're in this break Nice I know that buddy Look for some Josh Allen's and you receive some Josh Allen's Chase swagger Kenan Allen and some Tyler Boyd Blue tonight in on and it looks like this batch is going to be wrongly cut So the sheet was cut wrong On all these looks like it's going to be at least on this box. I don't know about the rest of the parts Or box, I should say tomorrow chase blue chips All right next box. Oh, I just slipped Literally just slipped. Oh, she's do we have a honeycomb box again? I see a honeycomb right there. That's why Ben Mason for the Ravens pay Manny Patrick Surtain Najee and a Dan Marino honeycomb There you go. It's probably a hundred bucks right there Arnauba with that one Kurt Warner Penny Sue well Tom Brady, that's a blue men of mastery for the bucks that's Sean Mattick 39 or 29 out of 99 Sack Wilson got a show in the way Logan you got to get into that R&B Tyler Boyd your own bedding center stage Rajas Jalen waddle and a Jeff Ocuda blue number 299 Lamar Jackson straight fire Brody, honestly That was part of the random teams case unfortunately So if it will if this was if that was like the first half of the case and you didn't get that one You know, I feel really bad, but it's kind of out of my control You know, but that was ridiculous though, man. I don't know if you've seen the whole video. It's ridiculous though Devonte Smith, baby Foul got my Eagles in an R in a little pack for Look at that I mean, if you're interested in signing that as well, Bob I'm looking for some Devonte Smith and mosaic Tom Brady silver, that's probably a nice big one right there. You're my fair share of pits though Like I've pulled you some good pits in the past. I remember we're on the street that one time. I forgot what Prodigo was We're just pulling pits like in every picker team Mac Jones, Mos Gaskin Mac Jones Showing off with the wheels and as Buffalo games would be good. Gerard Dokes Gerard Dokes 10 out of 10 for the Dolphins Turned out. Oh intercepted Breeze Trevor Lawrence silver. How about that baby? Look at that sweetness right there Sean Maddock Has the Jacksonville Jaguars. There you go, Sean Great box box three Demetric Felton Tom Brady Devonte Michael Thomas. That's a swagger white out of 25 25 out of 25 David Montgomery blue number two ninety nine Tyler Murray silver and look at that straight fire Josh Allen. Those are pretty short printed as well They're not like one per case or One per box, but they're also really nice inserts. They go Ryan Straight fire Josh Allen trying to lead his bills to the next round Call pits rookie Trey Lance Tyreek Hill Mac Jones Mac Jones Like that Kylan Granson and Rogers Josh Jacobs Najee TV. Oh, look at that Mac Jones NFL debut prism silver. I'll take that Patriots Jeremy with that one Jaylen waddle Michael Parsons Herbie Corlin Sun center stage Steve Young 2-2 at well gold That is a rookie gold four out of ten Little color match for the Rams going to Angel Acevedo Solid here right there It's our second gold, right? I feel like we got two golds already in this one Devon white in it to win it Zach Wilson, okay, man Jamar chase silver rookie Sean Maddox with the bangles This has been a great first three boxes, man We still got another three to go Josh Allen men of mastery Men of mastery silver Heath. Uh, yeah, man. We pulled some nice stuff so far I'll do a quick little recap for the first half Right now. I'm gonna talk a little these really quick You have some pretty solid hits so far It's pretty much all the numbered cards autographs bigger hits so far Swagger out of 25 Damon Geller color Jamar chase true silver 2-2 out of gold rookie out of 10 Mac Jones prism silver straight fire Trevor Lawrence true silver another rookie gold there Tom Brady Devonte Smith Honeycomb Dan Marino Trevor Lawrence blue chips blue Pretty solid stuff All right, let's continue on guys So here comes the next the next three boxes So we're getting a really a lot of really good movement on this, uh Jaspy exclusive hip parade lax party promo break We're now down to 15. So that's something we could probably do tonight and then hopefully we can sell that flawless baseball That'd be a nice way to end the night as well Touchdown another TD Dawson Knox Melvin Gordon for Denver Trey Lance NFL Dave you silver 49ers that's going to jay gregs masquerade case hit coup for the Atlanta Falcons young hope coup Atlanta there you go brody Not a uh call pits, but still Nice little one for you right there Ian book Trevor Lawrence rookie Yeah, you could throw it off Zach Hertz in it to win it Chris Long from my Eagles Man of the year, baby To 99 No, no, it wasn't that it's just because when they close the door and then there's a bunch of people It gets really off. Just leave the door open introductions to more chase Did he really brody man? He had a rough start. I remember with the chargers good for him from baltangar I know jake ellie for the Eagles had a really really good season this year I don't know stat wise how he ended up, but I know he was pretty much in the top over there too the kicking stats He had a really good bounce back year from last year Micah Parsons really good autographs coming out on this side Cowboys it's going to rig Thomas Patrick Sartain Yeah, well it looks like Calvin really is on his way out Hopefully uh get the fresh start with my Philadelphia Eagles. He can reunite with uh Jaylen Hurts and uh Devontae Smith I'll give up a late first or early second round pick for him To get a fresh start I don't think he wants to be in Atlanta anymore scary Terry Mclauren In into winter. I just Serrat man of master and marino Done brody. I'll do it Call it in Call it in I'll give you a third and uh and minch you Eagles probably are trading minch you at the end of this year anyways. He might be good Good trade bait because I think I think the Eagles traded for him I think he still had another year on his rookie contract I want to say so I don't know if He'd want to stay as a backup at another year potentially so Dwayne bow can city autograph There is Tony Zach Wilson for the Jets Center stage down felt Just infuse Nice patrick queen. That's a white prison, uh, white uh, mosaic Six out of 25 In into in it patrick mohomes and this was cut wrong again So it's a little off I'm too long Nico Collins for the houston texans Tonya Tom Brady red Overdrive chris Carson Derek Henry blue Swagger Devontae Adams is so off. Jesus All right, let me top up this guys and we're down to the last box Last one guys box guys. Good luck. Jacob Harris Let's say rookie autograph Aaron Rodgers Mike Jones blue chips Mike Jones base Jaylin Hertz Calvin Ridley Dan Fouts Justin Fields Jamar Chase NFL debut overdrive Saquon Chase Jared dokes to 49 Center stage Russell Wilson Joe burrow Stair masters Dak Prescott and Vinnie test the Verdi for the Jets Justin Fields and a montage cd lamb Cowboys, that's going to Rick Thomas Patrick mohomes. I'm Ari Cooper center stage Russell Wilson Juante Smith and Robbie Anderson for the Carolina Panthers and a straight fire Kyler Murray It is straight fire Nice Justin Fields true silver For the bears going to Neil Camarino man of mastery All right guys There you go That was the break some very nice cars popping out of here Autographs actually, you know, I've done a lot of this on instagram autographs are much better If you get a case hit masquerade, which do sell pretty well Got another nice rookie silvers. We got a Michael Parsons rookie autograph Trevor Lawrence blue chips little honeycomb damarino. Duvante Smith rookie autograph We have a blue chips to mark Chase A couple golds Trevor Lawrence silver Josh Allen mac jones to do out. Well Not too bad, man. I've seen a lot worse But again, this is a wax party promo So let's switch scenes and again everybody's gonna have an opportunity to win So let's copy and paste the customer names boom Let's roll it And we got a three and a two five times. Good luck top two get in one two three four and five boom Two through five times. Uh, it is brody. There's four different case hits you can get in a case and masquerade is one of them Richard and file. Look at that. Very nice Congratulations, you guys got in from the team filler and file got in from the pack filler to get into the team filler To get into the break. So there you go guys appreciate after five times top two get in Let's paste you guys into the wax party promo Did Joe do it in a mac? Did Joe do any of these? No, I don't think so This would be 20 Appreciate it guys. Jasper's case race dot com


The Nigerian Association of Resident Doctors, NAAD, has given the federal government a six-week window to fulfil its demand after which it will call a national executive council meeting to review the processes of the progress made. This comes as NAAD suspends a 64-day strike. According to it, the basis of the suspension is due to efforts by the federal government to fulfil some of its minimum demands, such as the payment of medical residency training fund, payment of outstanding salaries to its members on GIFMIS platform, withdrawal of secular by the head of service, removing house officers from the scheme of service, payment of deaths in service benefits to its members who lost their lives in the line of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, among others. The president of NAAD, Dr Dari Ishaia, announced that its members will resume work on Wednesday this week.