What's up, everyone? It's your girl, Kenzie here from Layton Sports Cards and I'm ripping 2022 Panini select baseball hobby, six box break, number 11 random teams. Again, here's a look at the random results. You can always find these at LaytonSportsCards.com underneath the results tab and the link is also in chat for you. All right. Here we go. Good luck. I don't have PayPal. I don't have a very good relationship with PayPal. So, empty July through September. It's a good amount of time there. All right.  No. Crazy. Got out of 199 RPA, Wanya Pes, Cardinals, Cal Rippin Jr., 5% back on gas. Pretty solid. We've got light blue to 149, Gary Carter, Metz. Man, I can't fill up my tank for less than 80 bucks every time. It's ridiculous.  Kevin Gosman on the diamond level silver, Blue Jays. It's because I don't think I'm like a Ford Ranger. Yeah, well, you know what? The gas wasn't almost $5 a gallon when I got the truck. Silver, rookie Josiah Gray on the premiere level there. We have A'harah Zebra already. Let's see, we've got Jacob DeGrom for the Metz. There you go, Channing W with the Metz on the Zebra. Nice hit there. I believe that was the first Zebra I pulled on release date, too. Really? Yeah. Silver, Ichiro, Concourse. I had a really crazy personal with this last night. Oh, yeah? We've got Mariners, Ricky Jumbo Patch, Matt Brash. And Numbers, Adam Frazier. Yeah, I had a Frank, had a Kube Golds, a Cracked Ice RPA, and a Zebra all in one box. One box, oh, wow. We've got Tri-Color Rookie, Aaron Ashby, Brewer's, George Breda on the Phenomenon.  To 250, we've got Silver Patch of Mierman Mercedes for the White Sox, and Enfuego Silver Matt Olsen for the A's for your membership. I can't see it on restream chat, Ramara, so that's what you're talking about. Red to 199, Sony Gray, oh, Red's color matched there. Tri-Color Rookie, Louise Gill, Yankees, Enfuego, Ozzy Albys, Lime Green in 99, Noah Cinergaard, Angels, and last time here, that was pretty thick. Box one. Got to 99, Patrick Mazzica on the Tri-Colored RPA with the little pinstripe. There you go, Metz with two hits, Channing, Channing W, I almost said Channing Canem. There you go, nice Mazzica and Moonshots of Lattie Jr. Yeah, I bet Brad is pretty hyped about that, him and Brennan. Oh, yeah.  Empty. Box two. Light Blue to 149, Zach Wheeler, Philly's. We're Austin Riley on the Diamond level. Out of 99, Sparks Tri-Colored Auto, Connor Siebel, Red Sox. I like the Tri-Colored Sparks, I haven't seen too many of those. Enfuego, Wander Franco. Nice. Two 75 Rangers Tri-Colored Patch Auto, Leody Tavares, and Gavin Sheets Moonshots. Again, everybody, next break we are looking to fill is a dual box, dual year of 2020 and 2021. Two boxes of each of those. You're done on the Silver Premier level of Bowman Sterling. Again, two 2020 and two 2021, have 15 spots to go. Rookie Jumbopatch, Sheen Baz, Raze. 12 to go now, there's a link that Sam just dropped for you, Corey Seeger. 12 to go. Brees in just a bit here. Neon Greens, Eddie Matthews for the Brew Crew to 99. Tri-Colored with Merrifield, Rangers, Sparks, Caram. Harrison Batter, Cardinals Tri-Color, Luba, Phenomenals. Red to 199, Brandon Crawford, Giants. 250, Blue J Silver Jumbopatch, Auto Lopez, Silver Babe Ruth Numbers. Last pack, box two. Silver Rookie, Seth Beer for the D-Vax on the concourse. Right, box three. And still plenty of spots left in basketball as well. I need some help getting those filled up. I believe just one spot left in the 10 box Tuesday basketball. Plenty of spots left in the Prism multi-sello pack. Collegiate H2, and then impeccable case break tier. These are all random teams on those. Got Light Blue to 149, or oldest Chapman, Yankees. Silver, Glaber Torres. A brave Silver Jumbopatch. Spencer Strider to 249. Want Soda Moon shots? Bradley, did you just, like, Google stock photo of the Stanley Cup? Put it at your... Tri-Colored Tim Anderson, White Sox, Mike Trott on the Phenomenals. Red to 199, Ramon Laureano, Ayes. The only issue is now people might think, like, oh, this guy's just a fan of the design of the Stanley Cup. Candelderillo, Silver. It wasn't that easy. That's true. Silver, Joe Musgrove, Padre. To 199, we've got Taylor Walls on the Silver Patch Auto. Raise. Numbers, Corbin Burns. To 199, Royals, Sparks Auto, Jackson Collar. Tim Anderson, Sparks. To 199, Blue to 149, Mike Messina, Orioles. Fair enough, fair enough. Tri-Color Rookie, Tony Santillian, Reds. And Puego Catel Marte. Last pack, Fox Three. Got D-Bags, Drew Ellis on the Rookie Jumbopatch. Drew Ellis. And Silver Numbers, Corbin Burns. 33, Trevante, nice, nice. Sticking with the in-season Denver sports teams. Good. Got Neon Green, Rookie to 99, Aaron Ashby Brewers. Silver, Wander Franco on the Premier level. There you go, Raise. Steven S. with the Raise. Yeah, Premier level on the Silver Wander. Very nice. Up here to 99, we've got Hoi Zhen Park on the Tri-Color Patch Auto. Pirates. Frasier Numbers. To 250, Raise, Silver Patch, Brennan McKay. Raise, starting to heat up here a little bit. Cal Ripken for a million people. Cheese. Oh, thank you. Got Tri-Color Charlie Blackman, Rockies. George Brett, Phenodons. Got Red to 199, Kendo Dario, Tigers. Yeah, wouldn't be either. Feel that. I don't like when people get in my personal bubble. We've got Charlie Blackman, Rockies. Wander, Rookie Base, Premier level. Wander, Suarez for the Phillies on the Diamond level. And it's not like I'm claustrophobic, but like, I don't know. Just big groups. To 25, RPA, Vinyl Bruhan for the Raise. There you go, Steven S. killing it with the Raise this break. That is 21 out of 25. Beautiful hit there. And Twego Alves. Yeah. I'm probably pretty close. Oh, we've got a tie-dye coming up here. Got JT Romudo for the Phillies on the tie-dye to 20. Love the tie-dyes and selects. One out of 20 on that one. First print there. There is 20 of room left with Sam for Personals after group breaks tonight. That'll start around midnight Eastern here. Tri-Color, Salvador Perez, Moonshots of Ladi, I think what, there's maybe like three or four in queue before he went live? Yeah, I think just three in queue at the moment. Three in queue. So not a long, long wait if you order now.  It's box five here. Yeah, exactly, Riley. No types of bubbles or personal space in. Million people crowd. No, thank you. Just imagine like, and then the traffic trying to get out of there too would be just. It'd be like a day.  Got to 199, Alec Minoa on the Silver Auto. Blue James, Tatis Numbers, Joe Adele on the light blue to 149. Premier level. Got Hernandez Silver. Oh, five minute walk. Oh, then yeah, you're good in that aspect. Phillies, Ricky, Jumbo Patch, Hans Krauss, and Fuego, Bryce Harper. Is that light one? Or a thunder? Yeah, thanks for having me. Tri-color Max Kepler for the twins. Phenomenon's Brian Reynolds. Got red color match here. Showtime to 199 Angels. Silver, Ricky, Centillion for the reds on the concourse. To 199, Ray Sparks Auto, Vital Bruhan. Second Bruhan auto there. Going to Steven S. Marsh for the Angels. Got a Bruhan RPA crack nice and a base auto. We've got Neon Green and 99 Trevor Story Rockies. Tri-color Rookies, Centillion for the reds. It's like the fifth one of those already. Another hit man coming. Got Braves, Kyle Muller on the Jumbo Rookie Patch. And Moonshot Silver, Jose of Ray, White Sox. Box, box, box, box. We've got Silver once, Soto for the Nationals on the Diamond level. Nice. Yeah, Shane. I mean, I feel like some of these are like half and half. Some of them have the little pinstripe and some are just like, as people refer to them, little napkin patches. That's one of the funniest things in the hub is napkin patches. But that's a name people use a little bit. Yeah. I'm starting to think that color wheels aren't a thing. Has anyone else seen a color wheel? I haven't even seen one hit this year. I'll have to look on eBay. Neon Green, the 99 Kyle Hendricks. Last box and we'll do a recap. We've got a run back of this next. Stansy Swanson on the Silver. Then we've got a random division case break of Selects. Then our Bowman Sterling. Braves again. Spencer Strider on the Jumbo Rookie Patch. Moonshot, Steered Walsh. You have seen one, Bradley? It's crazy. We've ripped what? We've had to have ripped over 10 cases at this point. Yeah. Tri-color Corbin Burns, Brewers and Phenomenons, Oto. If anyone was going to do it, I thought it would be Caleb last night. Yeah, honestly. Got Light Blue, Michael Brantley to 149, Astros. Silver, Rhett and Sandberg. Yeah, some of the lower number ones have better colors in the patches and stuff. Got 2199, Patch-Auto Silver for the Raids, Taylor Walsh. Man, Raids killing it. Like the one preview pick they have of O'Neill Cruise. It's like half of the pirate on the patch. It's absolutely nasty out of 199 silver RPA red socks Connor Wong Boba Shet Sparks Yeah, yeah red to 199 Christian yellow chebures Troy color a friend will raise guardians and Fuego Brennan Crawford. I wish Shane. I'd be sick. I Just want to see what it looks like You're gonna have to like I said YouTube it here and uh look it up on eBay in a minute rookie jumbo patch Josiah gray gnats and silver moon shots ohtani Last pack here, then we'll do a quick recap for a gear cold Right Just here first All right, we've got Josiah gray gnats Spencer Strider Braves Kyle molar Braves Hans Kraus Phillies Luke Williams Phillies Brendon McKay race drew Ellis D.  We had the Tiger's herb zebra stripe of Jacob to grow a mess Connor Wong RPA red socks Taylor Walls race through on on the Sparks auto race Alec Manoa blue jays boy Jen Park pirates Jackson co are Royals Taylor Walls race to Varys for the Rangers Connorsy bold red socks Patrick Mazzica Mets Juan Lopez Cardinals and then the cracked ice RPA for the race the 25 out of right. I'll brew on All right, that'll do it for the first half case of select baseball. We've got the second half coming up in a few


What we're all doing right now, believe it or not, is we're actually making the case for why you should, if you do have a workout partner, you should pick the perfect workout partner. Because everything we listed, really what we're pointing to is the fact that we've worked out with workout partners that weren't perfect for us. Like you just said, I don't wanna talk about drama. I'm not there to talk to somebody. Well, imagine if you had a workout partner that understood that. They showed up, fist bump, headphones on, we do our thing. Like picking the perfect workout partner is, to me, like it goes like this, this is gonna sound funny, but it's like, you pick your spouse, that's very important. Your business partner, workout partner. Like it's up there, like of how important it is that you pick the right person, because it could make or break your workout. It could cause injury or help you prevent injury. It could get you better results or worse results. What's up, everybody? 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So if you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, click on one of those two things, or both, you can get them both, and use the code MAY SPECIAL for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. Let's talk about whether or not you should have a workout partner. Well, let's start with you because you said on the show that you hate training partners. I never like to work out with training partners.  Okay, well, first of all, let me be clear and honest. The first probably five to eight years, I would say eight years tops. I had a workout partner and all kinds of different workout partners, but I was also at a very different phase in my training career and also my level of knowledge and understanding how to train and how to program was minimal still even at year five, I would say. Once that came full circle and I realized like, oh, what does my body need and what should I be doing? I started to realize quickly like, oh, the advantages of having a workout partner actually feed into what I shouldn't be doing more than they feed into the things I should be doing. Let me guess, you're talking about, I used to think the same thing like, well, I need a training partners, how am I gonna do force reps? Yeah, how am I gonna push myself? Yeah, yeah, and I need it for safety because I need a spotter there because I'm doing so much weight.  Yeah, I hear. So when you hear me say that, because I know I always get people that like, because I know there's people. Because there's lots of people that have great experience. There's lots of people that have, yeah, they have incredible workouts with their partner and they've created a consistency around it and that statement is not for you and that's whatever. It's my own experience and where I've come full circle in my training regimen and I at one point was very attached to having workout partners and would say the same things like, oh, I'm so consistent because I know someone else has gotta be there and I'm the type of person where we say we're gonna be at six, I'm not the type of guy who just, I'm not flaky like, and even if I don't wanna go because I know I'm committed to seeing him, I'm gonna go, right? So I could make the case why it was so great early on but later on I realized that these forced reps and training to failure and this intense training or following just what the other guy was doing were all the wrong things for me. Yeah, I've had training partners, I'd say 90% of my workout career is on my own, 10% I've had workout partners and I've had good and bad experiences. Some of the worst I can think of, there was one guy I worked, I won't say his name, but there was one guy I worked out with where it was a constant ego fest and really what it was was I was way more advanced and I was way stronger than he was.  So I'm like, come on, dude. And I would say to him like, you should probably go lighter. No, I could do it. And I'm watching him do his shitty form. And then we're in a gym and people are watching and I'm like, dude, I wanna wear a shirt that says I'm not working out with this guy. You know what I mean? I don't know him. So he was terrible. And then I've had great workout partners and you know what's funny the few workout partners that I've had that were good were all women. Oh, interesting. And it's because... It's about your strength level. No. Yeah. Hey, dude, I tell you.  What it was was that there was no ego involved because it was understood that the weights were gonna be much different. I'm not trying to lift as much as them and vice versa. And it kept me smooth with my workout. Versus when I work out with a guy. Now I just told you about the worst one but let's say I work out with one of you guys and you guys are smart. You know what you're doing. Inevitably, if I worked out with you guys in week in, week out I'm probably gonna push myself harder than I should more often than not because we're closer in strength and we're more likely to... Subconsciously, the competitiveness is still there. Yeah. You can't really like deny it. You know, that's the part about it. It's so subconscious that you don't... I don't even feel like I realize until after the workout. And I go like, I was not playing. Man, I beat myself up. Yeah. Like your friends like, you know if I worked out with Justin and we're doing a thing and we're both smart, we know what we're doing. I'm like, yeah, I think I'm done. And Justin was like, I'm gonna do three more sets. There's something inside of me. Are you gonna do more? Yeah.  Or he adds a plate to the bar. You know, I'm gonna be like, all right, I'll try a couple reps with, you know with that, that ends up happening. But when I worked out with women, first off, women are less likely to do the ego lifting. That's just the fact. Okay, it's just my experience. Yeah. And second, the strength differential was so big that they weren't trying to catch up to me because it was futile. And I wasn't trying to catch up with them. So we would do appropriate weight and it was just a much better, more effective workout. So. Yeah, I've had a few workout partners of my day, but it really never aligned. It just, it would last for maybe like a month and it was the inconsistency factor or it was the just discrepancies between the amount of weight we're lifting and it just, and then the whole time I just felt like I was leading, directing the entire workouts every single time. I just got exhausting. Like you're training. I could do this to myself. Like why am I, yeah, exactly. Why am I just training? And again, a lot of times I'd want to kind of pull my friends in because I felt like, you know, this is also a way that I can help kind of get them in shape while I'm working on myself. But you just get burned out and it totally kind of changes the dynamic of what a workout means to me. Well, you just said something too that reminds me of like the transition I made later on in my lifting career of my training, training being this like beating myself up versus something almost more meditative. So as I got later in my career, it became like my sanctuary like to go and work out. And so having a partner that I had to talk to or plan the workout for like, it would disrupt that. So, and I know you talk a lot about that now. Like that's you of all of us, you know, swear by I have to have my hour because it is your place to center yourself. It's your no distractions. Yeah, and I can totally relate to that because later on in my lifting career, that's what my workouts tend to be now. They're more therapeutic, I would say, than they are chasing goals or PRs. And so I don't want somebody in my, like I definitely don't want a friend who's telling me about the drama with his girlfriend or the bullshit he's dealing with at work when I'm like trying to be in this like, you know, meditative state where I'm like working inward on myself or I'm just being relaxed or I'm just thinking about the weight being present. Yeah. Like so. What we're all doing right now, believe it or not, is we're actually making the case for why you should, if you do have a workout partner, you should pick the perfect workout partner because everything we listed, really what we're pointing to is the fact that we've worked out with workout partners that didn't, that weren't perfect for us. Like you just said, I don't want to talk about drama. I'm not there to talk to somebody. Well, imagine if you had a workout partner that understood that. They showed up, fist bump, headphones on, we do our thing. Like picking the perfect workout partner is, to me, like it goes like this, this is gonna sound funny, but it's like you pick your spouse. That's very important. Your business partner, workout partner. Like it's up there. Like of how important it is that you pick the right person because it could make or break your workout. It could cause injury or help you prevent injury. It could get you better results or worse results. I'll tell you one that almost never works. Now for me, this worked out well because I did workout for a while with my wife and we were great workout partners. It was a good time, but usually as a trainer and a gym manager, whenever I'd see couples work out together or a husband and a wife or boyfriend or girlfriend, they're like, yeah, we're gonna work out together. I remember I would always think, oh boy, this is not gonna work out for it. And it almost never did. It never did for me. It almost never did. Katrina was the first ever. So for 30 years of my life, no girlfriend training at all never worked out. Because for me it was, and this is my experience, right? So I take training very seriously and everything down to the mechanics, to the flow of the workout, to the rest periods and things like that. And that's like, I've learned to internalize that. I don't have to verbalize it when I'm working out myself, but when I have another person who and with a partner, a girlfriend or spouse that tends to get disrupted a lot. And then when I would try and like get us on track, like they would giggle or think it's funny that I would be so serious about it. And then it would just be, it would never ended well, dude. So early on I figured that out. I was like, no, I won't do that. Well, I've seen just managing gyms. I've signed up couples before and they're like, yeah, we're gonna work out together. And I'd sign them up, of course. But I think in the back of my head, like, all right, we'll see how this works out. And I've seen them, you know, like arguments on the workout floor or whatever happened the day before carries over into the workout or one of them's more serious. The person takes a personal. It always starts with like the push-up, claps together. Stupid. The crunching kisses and then the fight. You know, it just doesn't last. Yeah, it just usually doesn't work. But if it doesn't, it works out great. So I think what we should do is talk about how to pick the perfect workout partner. Cause we're really making the case that picking the wrong person can really ruin your fitness and your workout. Just like picking the wrong spouse can ruin your life. You wanna pick a good workout partner. So one thing to consider is this. And you have to, by the way, all the things that we're gonna go through here, you have to be very honest with yourself. Cause I'm about to say something and I know most people are gonna think one thing, but the truth is half are in one place and half are the other place. So you need to ask yourself honestly, should I work out with someone that's gonna push me or should I work out with someone that's gonna pull me back a little bit? Now, being honest with myself, the last workout partner I should work out with would be someone who pushes me. Somebody who pushes me, who I already have a tendency to push myself too hard is going to result in overtraining, injury, lifting too much weight. I do not wanna work out with a hype, you know, motivation, extreme person. For me, as awesome as that may sound, sometimes it's not gonna work out very well. And I know most people watching this are thinking, yeah, I need someone to push me. Be honest with yourself. Cause a lot of people actually need someone to pull them back. That's why I found working out. The client that I think needs to push or the client that like has a hard time even finishing a 30 minute workout because they wanna just stop. They're like, oh, I'm bored or I'm over it or I don't like this. Like that person maybe. But if you're- You don't have the mental discipline yet. Yeah, if you're already like a pretty consistent, hardcore training person, like thinking that you need it. I mean, now you're falling in the trap that I fell on when I was in my 20s. I loved to train. I was already trained seven days a week and then I wanted a workout partner who was gonna push me harder in my workout. Like, which is not what that person needs. I probably needed someone to pull me back. Right. So pull back would be someone who's like, hey, you know, you're going too heavy or let's slow down a little bit or let's take a longer rest or hey, let's try this exercise instead of that. Pushed is like, I think you could do more one more rep or you know, last time you did 10, you know, let's try 11 more. She maxed out today, bro. Yeah, maybe not that. But you gotta be honest with yourself because they're gonna compliment you or they're gonna be a detriment to you. And I identified and by this took me a long time to figure out that I need someone that's gonna pull me back more. Someone's gonna keep me my ego more in check versus push me. Cause when I work out with the push me type workout partner it would just, it would just not end up. Yeah, I totally agree. I'm in the same position where I'd rather have somebody kind of slow me down and you know, really focus on the technical aspects of everything. And I did have a friend of mine who was a trainer who was really good at that and who would also had a completely different skill set. And so his focus was, you know, he had a lot of martial arts experience and he had a lot of like interesting unconventional type lifts he knew. And so every now and then he would teach me things which I thought was very helpful for me to incorporate in the workouts. Yes, here's another one you should ask yourself. Like, do you like to lead the workout or do you wanna follow?  Like I'll follow your workout. I'll do whatever you say, whatever you do. This is what I enjoy. I don't have to think about it. I feel like that works in the relationship when you've got the friend who's the experienced trainer and you're the, you know, software engineer. Well, that's true. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I got my buddy who's like, this is his wheelhouse. So I'm gonna let him rock. That's totally true. And it could work, right? Because if you're both trying to lead, it's not gonna work. This is why we don't work out together. Justin, Adam and myself, we've now had mine pump for seven years. We've worked out like what I mean worked out together because we've worked out together, but not together. Like we're all in different parts of the gym but we've all actually worked out together together. I think two times if I'm not mistaken. Less than five for sure. Yeah, definitely less than five. For that reason right there because all of us like to lead, I don't wanna work out with someone who's gonna lead the workout. I wanna do my workout. If you wanna follow me cool, if not, then go do your own thing. But someone may be the opposite. Someone may be like, hey, I wanna show up and do someone else's workout. And that's totally fine. And you also wanna ask yourself like, do I wanna follow because I need more of this particular thing in my workouts? Mobility for example or flexibility or powerlifting. Maybe those are things that you know you should incorporate and you work out with someone that's good at those things. So you're just like, I'm just gonna follow your workout. Yeah, have you guys, can you think of times where you actually, obviously you guys naturally want to lead the workout. So how often have you found yourself wanting to follow someone's workout? I've worked with people who helped me with flexibility but it was a flexibility workout. So it wasn't strength training. So we'd show up and then I'd let them lead me through yoga or flexibility and it worked out really well for me because I'm not gonna lead that and I'm probably not gonna do it. Yeah, when I was first learning kettlebells, I worked with some of my friends who were very proficient in them. And so I would let them sort of take me through what a workout would consist of if I just used that one tool and really worked on the technique of everything. But honestly, like once I got like one session, I was like, okay, I'm gonna go work on all this myself. That's just how I am, but I definitely appreciate when somebody has a really good skill set that I could learn something from. I look at that as like an opportunity, but in terms of like having to have somebody kind of lead me and guide me through the whole process of getting better at it, no thanks. Yeah, no, those are the only times I can think about where I didn't want to lead the workout where it's just purely, I actually am curious and I want to learn from this version, right? So I mean, I've had the opportunity to work out with Ben Pacolski, Paul Check, like we've had some people like that that I've had the opportunity to lift with. And when I'm with someone like that who I have a lot of respect for their knowledge, their experience, that's about the only time where I'll be like, oh, you know what, I'll take it back, see it on what I think I want to do today. Let's just see where he takes me and see what he's into because I might pick something out that I like. And every time I've done that with someone like that, I feel like I get something. Like Mike Salemi, like I did a few like unconventional stuff with him with Bulgarian bags or with kettlebells. And it was, it was enlightening, you know, to see like at that high level of technique, what you could incorporate and work out. Yeah, when I was younger, I had a few, not workout partners, but workouts with people that I follow. There was the story I've told about the power lifters. That was great. I was a young kid, had no idea what the hell I was doing. And I was just so happy that these guys were allowing me to follow their workout. I worked out with a bodybuilder one time. Again, as a kid, I think it was 18 or 19. And that was super awesome because I just followed his work. It was way inappropriate for me. It was way too much volume. But I learned things. I learned some stuff. I learned through certain exercises. I learned how to connect to certain muscles and squeeze.  So I can see the value in it. It's just that this is my profession. Same thing with you guys. So we're probably, we're definitely biased towards the lead side than we would be towards the fall side. Well, I also think this matters where you're at in your journey too. The next point that you bring up is talking about the connection in the workout or the potential workout partner. There could be a time in my life, and there's definitely been this where I'm working out, like we just came out of this not that long ago where I was working out quite a bit with Katrina. And it was really more about the experience with her and my son and lifting. I actually had no routine at all. It was like, whatever she was doing, I would move the bar, whatever, like if it was a weight movement, really. Yeah, if she was squatting, maybe I could overhead press that weight. And so I would be overhead pressing and then she'd get the suspension trainer out. Okay, now I'm doing suspension trainer stuff and then taking breaks, playing with Max at his table and his Play-Doh and like, so I think it's important that I know that I rail on the, oh, I don't wanna work out partner. Yeah, when I'm on my specific kick and I'm trying to hit goals and I'm so, but then there's times when the connection, or a bond with a friend where I just, it's more about that communication and meeting with someone, choosing to do something healthy and growth-minded and good for us for an hour and a half with a friend who gives a shit what we're doing for the day. Every year after Thanksgiving, I do this with all my friends. Right, that's a great example. And it's not about the workout. Yeah, we're not trying to progress or... No, but it's about connecting with them. And you gotta ask yourself, do I wanna work out with this partner? Because I wanna spend time with them when we're doing something that's pretty healthy. This is where I think couples get mixed up because usually one person in the relationship wants that and the other person wants the workout. So it's like, the wife or the husband's like, yeah, I get to hang out with my significant other and the other person's like, yeah, we get to work out. And then you kinda get that budding of head. So you have to ask yourself, am I here for the workout or is it the connection with the partner? There's no wrong answer here. There isn't, but it's important to distinguish the difference because if one of the things that you're frustrated with or challenged with is you're not progressing and you're not seeing results, well, it could be because you're so focused on the connection going to the workout and catching up with your girlfriend or your friend and talking, which there's nothing wrong with that if that's your desired outcome.  But it's not about that for that time. So I'm not allowing those to compile three weeks in a row and then going like, why am I not seeing results? Why is my bench down or why am I not leaner? You know, it's like, I'm not even thinking about that right now. But if you are thinking about that, and then you're also working out for the connection's purpose, it's important that you understand the difference there because that could be a problem. Now I'll tell you what, managing gyms, I saw lots and lots of consistent, consistent meaning like three, four days a week, same time every week for years of workout partners that were there for the connection. And it was wonderful because they would show up, they'd meet each other, you could tell they'd have a good time. And then they'd always have like a scheduled lunch or something afterwards. And you could tell, I'd talk to them and you could see in the workouts, like it wasn't super hardcore, but they were still exercising, but they'd meet up and it's, oh, I get to see my friend and afterwards we grab coffee. And it's great. I think this is wonderful for the average person. Like the average person is not a fitness fanatic, right? That's just so in love with fitness that it's all about the workout. Like for me, that's what workouts are all about. But a lot of people are just, they struggle with being consistent. The workout is good because it improves the quality of life, not necessarily because they love the workout itself. So then they find this workout partner that's a good friend of theirs. They like to meet up three days a week at whatever time, six AM, they do their workout to get coffee together then they go to work or whatever.  And I knew a few women like this, they would meet up and they were friends and they'd hang out and it kept them super consistent. And sure, the workouts weren't like all super hardcore, but they maintained good health because- They're playing the long game, right? It's a lifestyle at that point. That's it. So there's totally nothing wrong with it. No, I mean, and there's all kinds of different ways you can construct this. But I've seen the same thing in the gym where it just became a thing. Like it's an activity that's a consistent thing that they go see their friend instead of them meeting up at a bar or, you know, doing these other extracurricular things that maybe are not as healthy of an option. They've decided to meet up at the gym and then make an experience around that. So, you know, there's no knocking it. And it's, you know, in terms of having a partner and a workout partner, it's just really like sometimes you do need to dial it in. And so what that looks like, you know, you got to kind of assess if it's moving the needle for you or not. Yeah, I'm never working out, almost never working out for the connection with a workout partner. For me, it's always about the workout. My dad, the longest, most consistent he ever was with working out was because he worked out with his friend. His friend ended up moving and then he stopped working out. But they, for years, I managed a club up in Sunnyvale. My dad, and he would drive all the way up to Sunnyvale because that's where I worked. So he got to see me. So my dad would drive all the way up with his friend. They'd come in and I'd watch them work out and they did some exercises and they did some stuff. But you could tell it was because they were hanging out with each other. They were childhood friends.  And it was great because it kept them super consistent. For me, never, because I'm here for the workout. If I want to hang out with someone to connect, it's not going to be in the gym. I'm going to go out with you somewhere else. Go for a walk. Yeah, we'll do something else. But you have to be honest with yourself, in other words, because what you don't want to do is find a workout partner that's there to hang out with you while you're there to work out. Now you're not, now you're going to have a crappy. Well, yeah, you're there to make change. Right? I think that's the important thing to note is that I think there's nothing wrong with it. If you're completely content and happy, and this just helps you stay consistent with quote-unquote working out. But if you're trying to make progress or change and that you're lagging or you're not seeing the change you want, well, you have to evaluate this. It'll feel frustrating if you're there and you're real serious and your friend just wants to hang out, very, very frustrating, right? The next one, here's another one, is do you have similar goals or different goals? By the way, there is no right answer here. Some people would say you have to have the same goals. No, not necessarily. Sometimes it's good to work out with someone whose goals compliment yours. Like if I worked out, for example, with Justin, it would be very complimentary in some ways because he does stuff that I don't do and I do stuff that he doesn't do. And if we worked out together and let's just say everything else matched, then it would work out really well. On the flip side, maybe you don't have no desire to try different things. You have no desire to work on weaknesses or imbalances or whatever. You're there to do your workout and you want to work out with someone who's also there to do the same thing as you, in which case that's the person that you want to pick. But you have to figure this out for yourself. Yeah, this one's challenging because I can see pros and cons to both. Totally. I can see pros and cons to similar goals. I can see pros and cons to different goals. The obvious, right, with similar goals, you're training the same type of probably frequency and muscle group split or body part, like whatever you're doing, probably can align pretty well. Problem with similar goals is when you have similar goals and it's easier to get into that competitive mindset when you're lifting. And maybe Sal and I are workout partners, we are on this body sculpting goal or following maps of aesthetics so we're doing the exact same thing. I got terrible sleep last night and he got phenomenal sleep last night and feels completely rejuvenated and ready to smash the weights. Real easily, we have the same goals, we're following the same program. Real easily for me to fall in the trap of like, I'm just gonna stick with what you're doing today because of that, because we have everything so similar. But me knowing better, like, okay, this is a day when I should scale back a little bit on the intensity because I got terrible sleep last night, I'm not well fed, whatever the case may be. So yeah, I can see the pros and cons to both and I think it's important to know the difference. Totally. Now let's talk about when you know or how to know when it's time to break up with the workout part. You know what's funny about this? I've gotten DMs on this. You sit up to the wrong address. I laugh at this one too because I somewhat was behind the influence of my wife actually breaking up with her workout partner. Oh, I remember when you went through this. Yeah, and it was awkward. Actually, I mean, there was a lot more there like in terms of their friendship that sort of it exposed. And so it just sort of, they just naturally kind of broke off. But yeah, it was really hard for her to do that because there was a lot of time vested and they both were consistent together, but it just was not doing anything well for her body. It's stressful. I've gotten messages from people. How do I tell my workout partner not to work out with them? I've had people tell me that they changed gyms because they didn't work out with a workout partner, but they wanted to work out at the same time. So they didn't want to show up, see the workout partner and then, huh, I'll be over here and it'll be over there. She's cheating on them. That's the easiest path. And I've also had people say that. She'd show up with a different workout partner. You've been getting a pump without me? Yeah, totally.  Number one, your workouts are unproductive. You know, this is why all the workout partners I've worked out with, even the ones that were good eventually ended. And I'm very blunt by the way, I'll tell a workout partner and I've done this. I've said this to people and I've said, hey. You're weak. I'll tell them, it's not working for me anymore. I want to work out on my own. And it's because eventually what happened is the workouts started to deteriorate and it just started to become mad as productive. And for me, it's a very serious thing. And when that starts to happen, I'm like out of here.  Like that's, that's time. And sometimes your goals don't align.  That's another one now. That I think you start kind of evaluating these things and you start seeing the patterns of what you keep doing and what that's leading towards. And so I think that was where it was obvious. You know, just speaking on behalf of my wife, like it's like, this is not benefiting my body like it should be. Yeah, the next one is you just started, you said nagging pains and stuff is you start getting injured a lot. I had a workout partner break up with me over this. It was the same person I told you about earlier with the shitty form. He eventually, and it was like, when he said this to me on my own. That guy with shitty form broke up with you? Yeah, I know.   Oh, the irony was. Tough one. The irony was hilarious. You're breaking up with me? Yeah.  Yeah. I'll break up with you first. Yeah, I can just see Suckin' Elevator. No, actually I was like. You don't break up with me. I break up with you. Yeah. The irony of it was so hilarious because I remember he comes in. He's like, hey, this will be our last workout. He goes, you know, I just keep hurting myself and stuff. And I remember like, look at him like with shock. Like, yeah, bro, how many times am I going to tell you? You're using too much weight and you have shitty form. But he's like, yeah, I keep getting hurt. So I got to change my workouts and the workout. I remember being like so happy. Like, cool, you said it before. You made it easy. Yeah. But I mean, if you find yourself getting hurt quite a bit because you're following a workout or you're working out with a workout partner that's just not smart or pushing you when you shouldn't. Like, have you ever done this?   You're doing a set and you've got you're working out with a workout partner. And you want to stop the set because, you know, this is about as hard as I want to go. No, man, you got two more. Come on. You got two more.  I'm not doing two more. I'm done with my set. The workouts I'm productive and they're getting injured, both I think happen a lot to people that measure like their workouts by how much they enjoy them or like them. So I think of like people that love class settings with their friends that like they love it. They go there. It's fun. They sweat.  And the results stall and or chronic pain sinks him. Yeah. And it's hard to get them to see past the. But I love it. I meet my girl from there every week or every day and we go there and we have such a great workout. And then we go have, you know, lunch afterwards and they're so attached to the connection part and the consistency and the fun part. But then that same time, then they're expressing, I'm so frustrated though, because I've this last 15 pounds. I can't seem to lose it. And my knees are bothering me and my hips are bothering me. And it's just like, yeah, it's because you've attached so much value to the connection fun part of the workout. Yet you're saying that you want these results.  The last two sort of the ones that's like the inconsistency, the showing up late part like, oh, that's what actually led to some of the breakups I had with Jim partners. Because it's like, I'm here. I'm like, I don't want to sit here and like, you know, wait for you when I could be productive and do my own thing. Like, where are you? Like, it's just like, I don't need to be your generation of motivation. You know, like, I don't need to be that guy for you. Yeah. No, being late or not showing up, you get this. So I've always been like this with workout partners. You get one shot. I don't not like one strike, like one time. You don't show up or one time you're late and I'm not working out with you. And I was notorious for this. I would have a workout partner show up 10 minutes late. I'm already on the second exercise. Oh, you don't wait for me. No, man, go do your workout. I'm in this. I'm in this right now. So that's just me. So and if you're a consistent person and you're very serious about your workouts, having a workout partner that shows up late or is inconsistent or no shows you, that's that's not good.  I think that's a big deal and everybody's different in their tolerance for me. It was zero. You get zero opportunities the second you're late or the second you don't show up like we're not going to remember if I had anybody like that. I don't know if I had somebody that was showing up late. And if I did, I'm sure I don't remember. You probably just started. Yeah, that's exactly what I would do. I'm not the type of guy who would sit around and be like, Oh, give him five more minutes. We said we started 12. I'm starting at 12. You know, say he can find me. So yeah, I don't remember that one. I do remember the last point that you have is the drama one. And that was what I said earlier and and I didn't I really didn't make this. I just assumed this was just part of it. Like you have rest breaks, you have conversation, whatever's on your guys's mind.  And it's just like that was pretty ruins a workout. It does now today. Like because I see it and I really I and I think I treat my workouts different, but I probably allowed that to creep in a lot more, which didn't. I didn't realize that the compounding effects of that of just being distracted like that, the negativity to forget just the workout and the results, just the positive mindset and the framework of your day and the way you go about things taking in a bunch of negative energy like that. I just I believe that's a terrible way to kick off a day or finish a work. Yeah. And this is again, this is an individual thing because I can remember there were two there's two of these two women I remember specifically when we talked earlier about connection. There's these two women that used to work out and it was every morning and they would drop their kids off at school. Then they'd come work out, then they'd get breakfast together. And it was like a four or five day a week thing, I think. And I would say hi to them. Hey, what's up ladies? And they do their thing. And for them, because it was a connection thing, they would spend five minutes in between sets talking about their lives. And it wasn't drama to them. They loved it because they were there to connect. So this you have to kind of determine for yourself. For me, any conversation, you know, longer than 15 seconds in between sets is too much drama. Like, I don't care, I don't want to hear about anything right now. I just want to just be in my zone. Right. So you have to kind of determine this for yourself with your workouts is, you know, is this drama like, am I getting stressed out or angry or upset or off focus? And that's different from person to person. For you, drama may be that you're there to connect with someone and they're just quiet. And you might be like, hey, I want to work out with someone that's more talkative and fun. This person's boring. Like someone who's there to connect would find me very boring. They would not like to work out with me because I'm not going to talk. Well, you know, it's interesting about the workout. It reminds me of like the different types of clients you would get as a coach. Right. And what they're looking for from the workout. And like you try to kind of be a chameleon in terms of like, I need to ramp up my energy for this person because they obviously need a push and they need like, you know, some added a bit of energy in this. And then some of them you've got to like really like kind of calm it down, calm down and, you know, get them to really like focus on the rest periods. And, you know, so it's interesting to kind of all of these apply basically even when you're going to look for a coach. Oh, 100%. So true. All right. So here's some reasons why it may be good to not have a workout partner. Why it might be a good idea to work out on your own. One is you get to follow your own workout and your own schedule. It's it's as individualized as it gets when you're by yourself, right? You don't have to consider anyone else. You don't have to consider anybody's feelings or form or technique. You don't have to adjust the seat on the exercise machine. You don't have to add the weight or take weight off. You're not spotting anybody. You are 100% individualized workout. For me, this is why I've worked out 90% of time on my own. I think it's a pretty good value. Now, some people, this is well worth the trade to work out with their favorite person and I totally get that. But for other people, this is going to be a huge plus. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm going to take it even further. And I believe this is the ultimate place to reach. I know you just defended somebody who would willing to trade those things off because they really, really, and I'm not by no means judging someone who likes to work out with their workout partner and that works for them. But I really believe the ultimate place to get is to apply. Like we talk about intuitive eating and intuitive training, how that's like kind of the pinnacle of eating. That's the pinnacle of training to where you just know what when you go to that gym, you know what's best for your body at that time and you do a really good job of addressing it. I just don't think that's possible with another person. I think you can get really good at it and you could have the partner, your fist bump and you do your headphones and this and that. But I think you'll never reach the same level as you would learning to do this on your own and learning your body and not having any distractions of any workout partner. That's just my opinion that I think that that. I agree with that. The only problem with that, but I do agree. But I think the only problem with that is that we have to be careful because I mean, look, we've all worked in the space for a long time. We can't, we know this. Not everybody's going to be a fitness fanatic. Most people are not. Most people do it. And that's fine because that and you may be your entire life. You do rely on having a partner and I'm not judging that person that does that. What I'm saying is that I think the pinnacle. And that may that person, there's a lot of people that will work out and never reach the pinnacle of and they have no desire. Yeah, right. Exactly. So and they don't have a desire to and there's and I'm not judging that person and there's nothing wrong with that. But I truly believe if you're somebody who is seeking like the ultimate like level of being able to train and diets with that, it is being able to do this intuitively on your own without anybody external motivation or discipline to get you there. Just you and yourself, the ability to listen to your body, to know what's best for you, to be able to complete sets when you need to, to pull back when you know you need to pull back like to push. Yeah. And I think that's what happens when somebody does it long enough. And then they reach the level of a really have a passion for fitness. That's usually where they end up, right? But a lot of people, what I don't want to do is discourage people because they're like, oh, well, I don't care about that. There's different phases, man. And if you're at that phase of more power to you and utilize that, it's a tool, right? Yeah. I just want people to be consistent, you know? Yeah. A workout partner can absolutely be a tool and be tremendously helpful for you. My point is that I think if you're continually you want to progress beyond that the ultimate place to reach is to be able to intuitively do it by yourself. Another reason is this, you don't have to wait for anybody or depend on anybody. But this also could be a positive for working out with a training partner because maybe the fact that somebody depends on you is what keeps you more consistent. Maybe you like that. Maybe you like the fact that you have somebody that's doing this with you. For me, I don't like that because, again, I'm a fitness fanatic. All three of us are. I don't want it to be to wait for anybody. I don't want to sit and know we're going to meet at this time and here's what's going to happen. It's just me. It's just me. I'm going to do my thing. But again, for some people, it's the opposite. And it's actually a detriment. And for them, it makes them more consistent knowing, oh, John, he needs me. He needs me today to show up to work out. And this is what we're going to do together. Here's another one. And this, for me, is a big deal. And we mentioned earlier, if you want a meditative workout, you can't do that with someone else. I can't be, again, we're all like this. We've all worked out at the same time, probably 50 times. We've only worked out together, together, like less than five times. When we work out at the same time, we're all meditative in our own space. And we're in different corners of the gym. Different corners of the gym. No one's talking to each other. You may as well. We don't say a single word to each other, right?   And that almost never happens. Well, does that count? I mean, if you get to that level where you know yourself so well and you're working out with one of your friends, but you guys split off, but you just make it a scheduled appointment where you both come in. Sure, I guess. And so, I mean, I think there's a way that you could probably evolve into that, but you really do need to put in a lot of work on yourself in knowing your body signals and knowing how you feel for that day. I actually think that's, I thought that was the kind of final progression before I ended up being just myself, was I did that for quite some time. You just showed up together. I actually did that when I was competing. I had other competitors that were competing in shows that I was in and so like that. Because I like being around other people and what I'm doing for sure. And it was like an accountability piece. Hey, what time are you going to the gym tomorrow? Like, I'll be there at noon. Cool, I'll be there at noon also. And would you guys meet up and eat or something afterwards? Yeah, we eat afterwards, but we would not train together or maybe we'd meet and we'd be walking on the treadmill afterwards. That's not bad. Like having an appointment after the workout together, right? That might be a good accountability. Right, so I did like utilizing that as like an accountability piece to go there. And a motivational piece. I know somebody else who's pushing for a same show as I'm going to is there. But I had already reached a place in my life or in training where I knew that like, I knew what's best for my body. He doesn't know that. We're to have different bodies. We shouldn't be working out together, especially at this level, what we're doing.  So that I see, I think, and I really think that that's like, you're right there. You're pretty much training by yourself. You're not really, you know, you're meeting someone at the gym, but you guys aren't getting distracted. You're not spotting each other.  Again, that being said, I've known quite a few people, not a majority. The majority of the people that I know that I've worked out very consistently end up working out alone. But there's a sizable minority, let's say 15% of the people, 20%, that I know who worked out consistently, who've worked out with a workout partner consistently for long periods of time. But it's really hard to find someone that matches all those things. Here's some advice. When you're agreeing to work out with someone, don't do it haphazardly. In other words, don't be like, yeah, let's meet up on Mondays and Wednesdays and work out together. And because then you'll end up in the situation where it's like, okay, now I got to break up with this person and it could be awkward. What do you say to them? What if they still show up at the same time? Do you guys just like, do your own thing? Like it's really weird, we got to change gyms. So here's a piece of advice. Lay out your expectations before you start. Hey, you know, I was thinking about working out with a workout partner. Is this something you'd be up for? Yeah, well, here's the times. Here's what I'm looking for. And here's what I'll do and I'll stop if these things aren't meant. Don't take a personal. This is just how I work out. This is how I've, the last few training partners, how I started those workouts. I say, hey, you want to work out together? Yes. Here's the deal. If you show up late once, I'm getting started and I probably won't work out with you anymore after that. I'm very quiet in my zone when I work out. I'm not following it. It's not like an asshole, but I would set the expectations so that if the one of those things didn't happen afterwards, it wasn't this awkward like, this is the main reason why we don't work out with Sal because he came with this long, non-negotiable, we had a sign that I was just like, this is way too much commitment for me, bro. I just wanted to get a lift with you this morning.  That's totally not true. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find us all on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam, and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal.


Splashdowns are iconic of the Apollo era. Pictures of astronauts being plucked out of the water or waving from recovery carriers are synonymous with the successful end of a mission. But have you ever wondered just how many men it took to pluck one astronaut out of the water? A lot. The answer is a lot. So let's go through it. Hello everyone, I'm Amy. This is The Vintage Space, my little corner of the internet where we dig into all things mid-century that fascinate me, a lot of which happens to be space-based. And this is a question I've always been fascinated by. How many people did it take to pull one astronaut out of the ocean during the Apollo era? Before we can talk about how many men were involved in Splashdown recovery efforts, we need to talk a little bit about why Splashdowns happened in the first place. We'll do the Coles Notes version because this video right up here has a longer discussion on the capsule decision. So, in short, when the space age dawned in the late 1950s, there were two vehicle types up for consideration. Aircraft inspired like the X-15 and the dinosaur, and capsule inspired like missile warheads. There was a strong argument for capsules over aircraft-inspired designs because of how little was known about spaceflight and how much, comparatively, was known about warheads. Engineers working with nuclear warheads had dealt with a unique challenge throughout the 1950s, getting the bombs to detonate on their targets and not from the friction with the atmosphere as they fell to Earth. One engineer in particular, Max Faget, who was working with the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics at the Langley Research Center, found that a blunt shape was key. This shape created a cushion of air that, coupled with an ablative heat shield, protected the warhead as it fell. Replacing the warhead with a human-carrying capsule, Faget and his team quickly realized, was a simple way to launch a man into space and bring him home safely. Aircraft-inspired vehicles, on the other hand, meant solving the problem of the same aerodynamic heating, but without the benefits of the blunt design, and also adding in the human element of pilot control. The X-15 program was doing some of this research, but it was far more complicated, and that meant it would also take longer to perfect than launching with capsules. Government and industry partners ultimately determined capsules were the best way to fast-track America getting a man into space, which was paramount since NASA's whole raison d'etre was a reaction to Sputnik, America needed to match the Soviet space. When NASA took over the individual bits and pieces of space research happening throughout the country and put them under one umbrella in October of 1958, it also inherited NACA engineers, including Max Faget and his research into capsules. Because it was a faster method for getting a man into space, NASA Space Task Group ultimately chose capsules to be the backbone of the inaugural Mercury program. In January of 1959, NASA awarded the spacecraft contract to the McDonnell Aircraft Corporation, who worked with Faget to finalize the design, and what NASA got was a truncated cone with a rounded blunt bottom. The astronaut inside was positioned on his back relative to that rounded bottom in a contoured couch, a setup that offered natural protection from the G-forces associated with re-entry. The next question was landing. A deorbit burn would slow the capsule to begin its fall through the atmosphere, but from there the question was, does it land on water or on land? Landing on land had some advantages, namely recovery was much simpler. Like an airplane, the astronaut could just open the hatch and get out. He'd only need a couple of vehicles worth of people to check he was okay and to collect him and his spacecraft. The challenge was making sure that landing was soft enough to be survivable. Engineers looked at adding a wing to the capsule so it could glide to a landing, using some kind of parasail or maneuverable parachute, or just a regular chute to slow it down. But all of those solutions were complicated for the time frame and added too much mass. A simple parachute slowing the capsule's fall to the ocean was much simpler, lighter, and therefore the method of choice. It also took advantage of the natural cushioning effect of the water and provided a very large target. The large target was especially appealing when pretty much every element of space flight was new and experimental, but it meant recovery was complicated. Luckily NASA had the US Navy at its disposal since the burgeoning space race was an extension of the Cold War. The space agency could pretty much take it for granted that the US Navy would be there to help. In figuring out splashdowns, NASA settled on three splashdown recovery zones per mission. The primary zone would reflect where the spacecraft would land after re-entering the atmosphere on target on a nominal mission. As a backup there were secondary and contingency zones to account for problems during the flight. Pin pointing these zones was fairly simple. Because the spacecraft's fall through the atmosphere was ballistic, engineers were able to calculate the exact landing point based on where it would re-enter the atmosphere, and that re-entry point in turn was predetermined based on the whole mission profile. That's how, long before every mission launched, NASA knew exactly where it would land and could therefore have the required recovery forces on hand. It was the same for determining the secondary and contingency zones. Determining alternate points for re-entry to account for potential issues in flight, like a forced early re-entry or some problem meaning re-entry would happen a bit later. There were thus recovery forces on hand in these alternate zones ahead of launch, too. Like everything else at the early space age, NASA had to figure out ocean recovery from scratch. And like with the decisions to go with splashdowns, a lack of experience and a tight time frame contributed to the space agency employing what was effectively a brute force method. The thing with secondary and contingency zones is that crews in one specific point in the ocean don't cover the full swath of areas where a mission could end. A tiny change in re-entry timing could translate to a massive change in splashdown point. A fraction of a second of a delay in firing the retro rockets could translate to a landing hundreds of miles off target. Preparing for these potential problems meant having more than one ship in each recovery zone such that at least one could get to the spacecraft quickly. The spread of these zones and the number of ships meant that an astronaut splashing down wildly off target wouldn't be more than a few hours from health. So we've got multiple ships in multiple zones on every mission. And because spaceflight was so unknown, the Mercury program saw the most insane numbers. Al Shepard and Gus Grissom both flew suborbital missions in 1961. Though there was no possible chance of a missed splashdown point with these flights, they had 10 and 8 ships on hand respectively. And things got more intense when NASA started sending astronauts into orbit. When John Glenn became the first American to go into orbit on February 20th of 1962, NASA had 24 ships on hand, 23 in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. They were 14 destroyers, two carriers, one salvage ship, two ocean minesweepers, one frigate, one anti-sub destroyer, one radar picket destroyer, and one oiler. Which maybe doesn't mean a lot to non-Navy people, so let's break it down even further. Carriers have fairly large crews. In the case of the USS Randolph that was Glenn's primary recovery ship, it had a crew of 1,615 men. Destroyers are smaller. In Glenn's case, the USS Barry and the USS Blandi had crews of 304. Salvage ships in this specific case, the USS Recovery, had a crew of 83. Submarines, in this case the USS Norfolk, brought 127 men into the mix. If we take these numbers as estimates per ship and look at how many people were in the recovery effort in total, that's about 8,000 men on hand to pull a single astronaut out of the ocean at the end of an Earth orbital mission. And this doesn't take into account the hundreds of people who were stationed throughout the world wide tracking network in support of the whole flight, or the people in mission control. Though these people were all a huge part of the recovery effort, they were also vital to the overall mission. That sounds like a lot, but the Navy is a huge branch of the American military, and the dawn of the space age coming on the heels of the Second World War meant the Navy had upwards of 6,000 active ships at the time. What makes the recovery forces seem like a lot is the fact that John Glenn once landed a plane full of bullet holes. He could definitely have landed anything returning from space onto a runway, but I digress. The remaining Mercury missions had about the same number of ships. Carpenters Aurora 7 flight had 22, Shiraz Sigma 7 had 27, and Cooper's Phase 7 had 24. In every instance it was the same mix of carriers, destroyers, oilers, and frigates spread across the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. The Gemini mission saw similarly large numbers. Gemini 3 had 20, Gemini 4 had 18, Gemini 5 had 16, Gemini 6A and 7 had 14, Gemini 8 had 12, Gemini 9 had 15, Gemini 10 had 10, and Gemini 11 and 12 both had 11 ships. In every case the primary recovery ship was the actual recovery carrier with the exception of Gemini 8. On that mission a stuck thruster put the spacecraft into a nearly deadly spin. Dave Scott and Neil Armstrong almost lost consciousness from the centrifugal forces inside the spacecraft. They were able to correct the spin but had to use their reentry fuel to do so and mission rules stated that they then had to reenter right away. On that mission the USS Leonard F. Mason was the actual recovery ship instead of the USS Boxer which was the intended prime recovery ship. Going into Apollo, NASA was learning more about splashdowns and spaceflight. The number of ships thus went down as the program wore on. Apollo 7 had 9 ships on hand, Apollo 8 had 12, Apollo 9 had 6, Apollo 10 had 7, Apollo 11 had 8, Apollo 12 had 5, Apollo 13 had 9, Apollo 14 had 6, Apollo 15 had the lowest number with four ships, Apollo 16 had 6 and Apollo 17 also had four recovery ships on hand. The first two Skylab missions each had three ships and the last had two. The Apollo half of the Apollo Soyuz test project had just one recovery ship. The shuttle era obviously moved away from splashdowns and huge naval support for missions though some Navy forces were deployed for the launch of STS-1 in 1981. With the return of splashdowns we're going to see a return to water-based support for spaceflight so we'll have to wait and see if we get the wild mercury levels or the lower late Apollo numbers of ships on hand. When I first learned how many ships were on hand per mission my mind was a little blown so I hope you guys found this interesting as well. For me at least it definitely added some context behind the really iconic pictures of the ends of Apollo missions. That's gonna do it for me for today. I want to remind you guys that both my books Fighting for Space and Breaking the Chains of Gravity are available however you like to consume books. I've got links to both in the description. I also want to say a very special thank you to my Patreon supporters and YouTube members. Your continued support truly makes all the difference in the world and allows me to continue creating this content. So thank you so much. That is going to do it for me for today you guys. Thank you so much for spending a little bit of time with me and I'll see you next time.


Everybody, Matt here for Leighton Sports Cards Ripping 2022, or 2023, Panini 3 and 2 Baseball Hobby 10 box case break number 14 random teams. All right, let's do it. We will randomize 10 times. Good luck. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Robert H. down to Jonathan B. and 10 times on the teams 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Raise Angels. Down to Dodgers. All right, we have Robert H. Raise Angels, Dylan S. Twins, Charles A. Astros, Mike K. Nationals, Will M. Orioles, Scott F. Redsox, Capelli O. Brewers, Cody H. Yankees, Robert H. A's, Chris F. Guardians, Robert H. Cardinals, Stephen L. Giants, Alvin S. Braves, Florent B. Cubs, Joseph S. Mariners, Reza R. Metz, Mark E. Marlins, Capelli O. Blue Jays Royals, Joseph S. Tigers, Eric W. Phillies, Alvin S. Reds, Dain B. Whitesox, Reza R. Rangers, Cody H. Rockies, Tom C. Pirates, Bradley R. D. Bax, Robert H. Podraze, and Jonathan B. Dodgers. All right, post these results and we'll get this started. All right, results are posted. Let's get it going. You can only keep one of these two bands. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Black Eyed Peas. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Black Eyed Peas. Bernie Williams to 20. Joe Cronin to 25. And on the horizon, Bobby Miller to 25. Yeah. It was Jake, so I don't know. You never know with Jake. Astros, Jumbo Jersey to 35. Hunter Brown, and Tigers, Rookie Patch Auto, three of six. Wilmer Flores. You really don't look me to be honest. Quinn Priester to 150. Murray Wills to 150. And Cal Ripken, that is seven of 10, one off the Jersey number there. This is Twins, Jumbo Patch, one of three. Emmanuel Rodriguez, nice patch. And Cardinals, day one. Shadow Box Auto, two of three. Jordan Walker, nice hit, St. Louis. That is Robert H. with the Cardinals. Congrats, Robert. His low number, Jordan Walker Auto. It is one of two. Gaylord Perry, Giants. Purple, one of two. Jim Palmer to 99. And on the horizon, Tyler Soderstrom, 150 A's. This is Rangers, Jumbo Patch, six of 15. Jack Lider. I forget, is Jack Lider or Mark Lider or Owlider or something? Out, right? Out. And Giants, Logo Patch Auto, three of three. Kyle Harrison, Willie Mays Patch. Nice hit, Giants. San Francisco doing well. That's pretty cool. He's going to be a big factor for them in the future. Even for the Cardinals when they trade. They're going to trade a bit. Boltzschmidt for them. You mean when he's an angel because of Tony's? Yeah, Jack Lider's, Owlider's son. David Sindelos Santos, 150. Dave Winfield, 50. And Ricky Henderson to 24 of 20. 4 plus 20 equals 24 equals Jersey number. Actually, I don't remember. No, Ricky was 23 or 24. Ricky was 24. 24. Pretty sure. Justin Crawford jumbo Jersey to 49, Phillies. I'm sorry. And this is Guardians quad relic auto, one of 20, Roberto Alomar. Jersey bat, bat Jersey. Nice Alomar. He's kind of struggled though in the Myers. Yeah, he hasn't really done amazing. I think he's made it all the way to double A. There's Wangan to 150. Brooks Robinson to 50. And Marcello Meyer, rookie to 32. Marcello with the rookie logo. This is prospect dual patch, one of five. Jesus. Dodgers, Michael Bush. If I could have just done this, that would have been easier. And Nationals, rookie Jersey auto to 99. Robert Hassell, psych netto to 50. Bob Gibson to 150. Jack Lider, rookie to 99. Rockies, dual relic to 25, Adiel Amador. Jersey and patch. What's up Viking? Rockies again. That is legendary signatures. Five of 25, Larry Walker. Nice box for the Rockies. What's up Viking? It's Kyle Harrison to 150. Karlie Strimsky to 150. George Brett to 99. And Ray's, dual jerseys to 49, Carson Williams. And Orioles, dual jersey auto. And that is jersey number 8 of 40, Cal Ripken. Nice Ripken, congrats Orioles. 130.point.com, 130, the word point, min.com, is where I go to check eBay sales. Orioles are boring. Orioles, more like snorkels. Quinn Priester to 50. Kidding, it's actually been fun to watch them. Pete Rose to 150, and Frank Thomas to 10. Guardians jumbo jersey to 49, Gavin Williams. And Reds quad jersey auto, 9 of 10, Barry Larkin. It has not been fun for me to watch them. I was just desperately trying to segue into calling them the Boreals. They've been far from boring. Probably a local shop. There's Ichiro to 25, Brooks Robinson to 150, and Kevin Parada to 150. Full count swatches, three of three, Billy Williams. Cubs, that's two patches, three jerseys. This is rookie jersey autographs, full count, Indy Rodriguez. Pirates? Yep. Go Pittsburgh. Roberto Clemente, 8 of 10, nice color match for the pirates. Whitey Ford to 150, and Ines Slaughter to 150. This is Luke Appling, that is five way jersey to 40. Chicago, is that White Sox? Let's think of Appling. I'm picturing him with Cleveland. Nope, White Sox, his whole career. All right, it goes White Sox. Take that one, White Sox, please. And on the back, Mariners, prime numbers auto to 70. Harry Ford, elite extradition, prime numbers auto. In just a second here, and we will do a recap. Select basketball is sold out. We have an 11 and 11 on select football, 13 and 19 on Chronicles football. All right, so we had White Sox, five way jersey to 40, Luke Appling, 49, I'm sorry. Raise dual jersey to 49, Carson Williams. Guardians, jumbo jersey to 49, Gavin Williams. Phillies to 49, jumbo jersey, Justin Crawford. Astros, jumbo jersey to 35, Hunter Brown. Rockies, dual relic to 25, Adé Amador. Rangers, jumbo patch to 15, Jack Lider. This is Dodgers, dual patches, one of five, Michael Bush. So five way relic, three of three, Billy Williams, Cubs. Twins, jumbo patch, one of three, Emmanuel Rodriguez. This is Pirates, rookie jersey autographs, full count, Andy Rodriguez. Sam can go, Sam and Kyle can go. Forrest, even. I don't want to go there. So rookie jersey auto to 99, Robert Hassell, Nationals. Too cold for me. Some Mariners, prime numbers, auto to 70, Harry Ford. Rockies, auto to 25, Larry Walker. Guardians, quad relic auto, one of 20, Roberto Alivar. Reds, quad jersey auto to 10, Barry Larkin. That is Tigers, rookie patch auto, three of six, Wilmer Flores. That's Giants, logo patch auto, three of three, Kyle Harrison. Cardinals, day one, autographs, two of three, Jordan Walker. Orioles, dual jersey auto, jersey number, eight of 40, Cal Ripken Jr. All right, that'll do it for the break. Thank you everybody. We have Goodwin champions coming up next.


Hello, I'm Byung-cheol Park, working for LG Electronics. I'm going to talk about what locked up does and doesn't, and what we can improve. My interest is task scheduler and synchronization mechanism, including RCU and general locking mechanism. Locked up is a tool to check correctness of synchronization mechanism. Some checking is about lock usage correctness. Some checking is about RCU usage correctness. Some checking is about lock dependency correctness. Let's look at one by one. Lock and unlock must be used in pairs. This code tries to terminate the task without releasing A, which is problematic. So lock that, report it as a problem. This one is similar to the previous one. This code tries to return to user without releasing A, which is problematic as well. So lock that, report it as a problem. Your text lock shouldn't be acquired in a spinlock critical section. This code tries to acquire your text lock B with spinlock A held, which is problematic. So lock that would report it as a problem. Here, I will assume, or you guys are familiar with, lock usage. I will not explain lock usage in detail. Let me continue. Spinlock shouldn't be acquired in a raw spinlock critical section. Which is similar to the previous one. This code tries to acquire spinlock B with raw spinlock A held, which is problematic. So lock that, report it as a problem. Nest lock API should be called with the nest lock held. This code is correct lock usage. When you call spinlock nest API, you should specify nest lock. And we should have the nest lock already held. But if somebody who is confused at using proper API, use spinlock nest this way, without nest lock held, then this code would be problematic. So lock that, report it as a problem. Let's look at the next one. RCU usage correctness. RCU read forbidden context. For example, idle shouldn't have RCU read sections. So somebody who is confused at using RCU API, try to specify RCU read section like this in a RCU read forbidden context. This code would be problematic. So lock that, report it as a problem. RCU dereference protected is supposed to be used with updated lock held. RCU just dereference is supposed to be used in RCU read section. So depending on the context, we have to choose proper one. In this case, not RCU dereference underscore protected, just RCU dereference should be used. If somebody use RCU dereference this way, it would be problematic. So lock that would report it as a problem. RCU read APIs should be used in a section, delimited by RCU read lock, RCU read unlock. List for each entry RCU is one of RCU read APIs. So the API should be used within RCU read side section. But this code try to use the API out of read side section. So this code would be problematic. Lock that would report it as a problem. Let's look at the next one. Lock dependent correctness. All the lock acquisition order should be kept across the kernel code. In the left side of code, acquire the spinlock A and then try to acquire spinlock B while holding A. Right side of the code acquired spinlock B and then try to acquire spinlock A while holding B. The lock acquisition order between left side and right side is different, which is problematic, which lead to deadlock. So lock that would report it as a problem. The spinlock should be acquired twice in a single context. This code definitely problematic. So lock that would report it as a problem. IRQ save APIs should be used if the lock is used in either process context or interact context like this. This is correct lock usage. So if the spinlock A used either in interact context or process context like this, underscore IRQ API should be used like this. But if someone who is confused at using proper API use spinlock this way, then this code would lead this situation, which is going to be deadlock. So lock that report it as a problem. As we've seen so far, lock that is quite cool tool for checking these. What about this code? Do you think it's problematic? Yes, this code is problematic. Because it goes to deadlock. Because wait for event B cannot be working out. Because event B on the right side of the code cannot be triggered. Because mutex lock A on the right side of the code cannot be working out. Because mutex unlock A on the left side of the code cannot be triggered. Because wait for event B on the left side of the code cannot be working out. So this code lead deadlock. But because lock that is working on lock API, so lock that cannot see the code called red here. So lock that would work with the code here. So it would consider this code safe. So lock that will not report any problem. What makes the case missed? I need to explain how does lock that track dependence first. Lock that defines dependence this way. If someone acquire lock A and try to lock B while holding A, lock that says A depends on B. Let's look at this example code. Someone acquire the spin lock A and then try to acquire spin lock B while holding A. Then by the definition we can generate the dependence A to B and add two dependence graph like this. This code acquire the spin lock B and then try to acquire spin lock A while holding B. By the definition we can generate the dependence B to A and add two dependence graph like this. So using the graph we can detect the circular dependence and we can look for the problem. In practice the graph looks more complicated like this. If dependence Y to Q is generated and added to the graph, then we can detect the circular dependence. So we can report the problem. Is a deadlock caused by incorrect lock acquisition order? Partially yes, but more precisely a deadlock is caused by waiters that cannot be woken up. In other words, a deadlock is caused by events that are not reachable. The deadlock detection tool should focus on waits and event themselves. So instead of using the definition, I'd like to redefine the dependence this way. So when event A occurrence depends on event B occurrence, I'd say A depends on B. This diagram shows why the new definition makes sense more. Event A cannot be triggered unless wait B is woken up. In other words, event B is triggered. So event A occurrence depends on event B occurrence. Let's look at this example code. This code is the one we already looked at which locked up couldn't detect the problem. Even though there is a deadlock. By the new definition, move text unlock A occurrence depends on event B. So we can generate dependence A to B. This code by the definition, I mean by the new definition, event B depends on releasing A event. So by the new definition, we can generate dependence B to A like this. So with this graph, we can detect circular dependency and report it as a problem. Okay, let's look at all the examples that we already have been looking at. We have to see wait an event in each code. In this example, we have to see wait an event like this. In this example, we have to see wait an event like this. In this example, like this. Even in this example, we have to see wait an event like this. So, LockDep is a great tool for checking these tools. Lock usage correctness, RCU usage correctness. But, LockDep is not the best tool for this proposal. Lock dependence correctness. So, I decided to develop a new tool named Depth to replace the third part to deal with dependency in the best way. So, Depth is the best tool for this proposal. Depth detects situations where waiters cannot be woken up, or Depth detects situations where events are not reachable. Depth works with all types of wait. It supports multiple reports efficiently. It provides easy APIs to annotate wait and event. But, it just started, so still has first positives. You can check LKML discussion with the first link, and the source code with the second link. I'm looking for someone who are interested in improving this area of the kernel. Thank you!


I got the energy, I got the will to survive, I got the energy, I got the energy, I got the energy, I got the energy. I don't even need to read the accolades because it's Johnny freaking Manziel and I think that's kind of how we start this thing and you're here because Chandler, he swore he would get you on this show one day and it's finally happening. I thought he was bailing, I gotta be honest with you, you're 20, better late than never, but you are party to the party, dude. Never late is better, Chand, never late is better. That's true. By the way, how do you two know each other?  I guess right now I just get hustled on the golf course weekly, so that's about what our friendship is on right now. Yeah, we met a while ago, just kind of playing with that. Me and Chand go back a long ways. From his days in Houston, from his time he's been in Dallas with the Mavs. I mean, this is really probably 10, 12 years into this friendship right now and somebody I truly call a dear friend and we have a lot of fun. That's like a legit friendship. Yeah, we wanna throw back there on that picture there, Jesus. Yeah, that is like- It's a nice house you had, Jen. Huh? Throw them in the water. It's a nice house you had there. I know, which house was that? I'm clear on my show, I've been on the move for a while. Deuce, I was telling them about, so when I put on the Grizzlies, Johnny was on the Memphis as an XFL team and Joe Keemno was there. We had a squad and basically me and Johnny were living together for this time period.  We had a great system going in Memphis. Me and Chandler and Joe Keem would take bird scooters to the games in Memphis and it really was a great time to be there, even though it was a short amount of time. Chandler's always been a really good friend of me, always allowed me to hang around, be in the NBA circles, so I get to feel like a hooper at times. Can you go back to Memphis, by the way, because Chandler cannot go back to Memphis. I think I'm gonna go on Friday for my Texas A&M, you know, Aggies in the tournament. Please wear my Grizzlies jersey, Johnny. Please wear my jacket. No, he's gonna get us sorted out. You might get sniped. You might think it's you. Oh, God. I think it's you. All right, do something. I think I'll be all right, Chandler. I do have that jersey, so I may have to bust it out as I sit. By the way, that was the best thing. So he comes to Memphis, huge deal. Johnny Manziel is going to play football there. I'm like, been lauded in that city when he comes there. And literally his first game, he wears my jersey. Oh, my God. He's walking in the tunnel to his football game. That's a good friend. It was a bold move, Johnny. It was a bold move. Thank you, Chad. It was a bold move right there. Johnny, I want to ask you this. We always, we play golf together. He's a stick, by the way.  Who would be your dream for some if you had to pick? And I mean, on golf, on the golf course. Yeah, I clarify that. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification, Chandler. I would put you in there. I enjoy playing golf with you a lot.   I would put Tiger in there as well. You have to play golf with Tiger Woods in that foursome. And for a fourth spot, I got to find somebody who's cooler than you. So I'll probably take Brady. Yeah, good luck. Brady, you said? See, I want like a John. Give me John Daly. Give me someone in there really spice things up. John Daly. Yeah, we know what you like. However, times have changed in my life, Chand. I'm a little more calm, cool, and collected at this point in my life. I love that for you. Tom Brady's cooler than you? No chance. Okay, fair enough. So, Johnny, did you play football and what made you give up? Or no, did you play basketball and what made you give up basketball for football, baseball, anything else? Yeah, my dad, my dad made me give up basketball. You know, I was, man, I was too small and I was too white. So that was really what it comes down to. Happy both. There's only like eight of us in the league, Johnny. Slim pickets. Johnny, I see the video of you dunking a basketball, man. Can you still dunk? Can you still get on the rim? And who would you model your game after? There he is.  I think I'm like a Zion. Williamson, to be honest, it's not a stick. Like, that's really what I think it is. But I don't know if I could dunk any more, man. Like, I would love to go out and try it. I'm gonna have to find out if I can this week. This was years ago. And I know I don't have to speak out. This is impressive, though. This is pretty good. This is impressive. I appreciate it, but I got Chandler Parsons' knees these days. They can't be that bad, Coach. They cannot be that bad. Johnny, we always talk about the goat quarterback of all time in a field. A lot of people say Tom Brady, obviously. Is Pat Mahomes have an argument? Who do you think the goat is? The goat in my eyes is probably still, man, I have a different opinion. I love Michael Vick, but that was just the way, that was just the running style and this.  Mahomes is well on his way, but you gotta go win six, seven Super Bowls to go beat Brady, so. Michelle's a real dog lover. I just was like that, all the names. I'm like, that's not the one I thought was coming out today. Oh, man, that is so good. What was the question? Could have been better. Fair enough. Oh, you got more? Back to your point, though, Chand. I mean, Mahomes is the guy. Right now, everybody's gotta go knock him off. I mean, what he did in the Super Bowl this year, the last couple of years. I mean, how can you not love that guy? You get a chance to spend some time around him. I know you guys are homies, so who's doing it better than Mahomes right now in any sport? And now, NBA-wise, you got MJ or Braun.  That's why you're opinion, by the way, me and Lou think it's Braun. Oh, I mean, I've been a Braun guy my whole life, but MJ is hard to, can I be a Kobe guy? For sure. Yeah, absolutely. For sure. I love the bomb of mentality. That's right on my alley. Couple weeks ago on Club Shay Shay, you mentioned that you wouldn't do anything Heisman related until Reggie Bush, as Heisman is returned back to him. I'm just curious to know, has anybody reached out to kind of bridge that gap or no? Yeah, I kind of reached out to myself a little bit. You know, I called a lot of former winners. I think a lot of guys who are, you know, some of the newer, more recent winners feel the same way that I do. So, you know, I won't throw anybody's name out there or anything like that, but I went and did the due diligence on my own to reach out, call the trust, make sure that there weren't any, you know, issues with what I was saying and what was going on and really try and get everybody on the same page because that's what it comes down to, you know. This is a very important situation, not only to me, but, you know, Reggie, a lot of the young guys. So, you know, we've had talks and I think we're in a better place now than we were a couple of months ago, a month ago. Dude, so obviously NIL is like the biggest thing right now in college athletics and you would have been, you know, severely paid in that aspect. What would it have taken for like a Nick Saban in Florida, what kind of bag we talking to drop to get you to leave A&M and go to one of those schools? Probably the same contract you got in Memphis. That's a heavy, that's a heavy contract, Coach. I don't know about that. It is, but it was never the last chance.  It was well deserved.  Thank you, Coach. Also the NCA football, the video game is coming back and you definitely would have been the next cover athlete for that. Did you ever think about that? Like how things would have been if the rules were now? Yeah, I mean, I definitely think about it. I think it's something that I still have a want and a desire to be a part of the game. For me, being able to be in the last year of the video game that they had and be the best player in that game, me and Clowney was kind of dope because I still throw that on an Xbox and I'm able to go back and play it and I play that game my whole life growing up. I enjoyed it. I'm excited that it's coming back. I just really hope that they find a way to incorporate a lot of the old Heisman winners and make it cool because I think it's something that they need in the world right now as far as video games go. And your number one guy at A&M was Mike Evans. I know you speak volumes of him all the time. Where does he rank in your opinion of receivers of all time? I mean, right now he's a first ballot hall of famer, walking and still playing and what he's done as far as 1,000-year-hard receiving seasons. Only other person that has done anything near that or remotely close is really Randy Moss and he's still at this point in time. Mike is blazing his own path. He's absolutely crushing it. Got a new contract back in Tampa with Baker. So the sky has the limit for Mike but just because of who he is as a person and who he is as a football player. So I rank him at the top of the list as far as people that I've got a chance to play with and just true brothers in the sport of football. So, Johnny, I know you were at the Drake Show a couple of nights going OKC. Shay Gillespie-Zander, home grid, also were there. First of all, that's a lot of stars out there. Did you get a chance to link up with any of them? What's your impression of them from afar? They're awesome. I mean, I love both of those guys. I got a chance to say what up to them for just a second but I kind of stay in my lane. I kind of mind my own business for the most part and I'm there to enjoy the Drake Show but any time I walk by any of the NBA guys or any of the young bucks like that, like young bucks I say, I don't know why I feel like I'm so old. I get a chance to go say what up. So I'm always trying to put out some positive energy and some love whenever I meet these guys and they're great players. They're great dudes and I wish them nothing but the best. So I think that's what I get a chance to portray whenever I see them. And it's still being around greatness in settings like that. And I think that's what Drake does the best is, he allows some of the greatest people in sports, in music and around the world to get a chance to come together. And that's why I love those shows and I got a chance to do it again the other night. So it's always a good time when Drake comes into town. I know Lou loves this next question. Back in 2020, we got the Magic City Wings. You said, believe it or not, the Chicken Wings at Magic City are the best I've ever had. What the hell's in these wings? It's a good product, man. I don't know. But whatever they got going on there is really, really good. And once again, I'm thankful to my great friend, Chandler Parsons, because I didn't go in there alone. There we go. By the way, if we're ever back to, Lemon Pepper Lou was obviously the guy, Johnny. And I went recently and they were just as tasty. We have to go. We do have to go. Can I go? Yeah, I do a lot of shows. Johnny, my last question is, obviously I know you got a lot going on with, you know, the world, what's the world expect now coming up from Johnny football? Sports media, what do you got on tap? Yeah, I got a lot coming. Kind of playing it close to the vest right now with what's coming on. I'm coming back to LA this week. I'm gonna take some money of yours on the golf course. I'm gonna hang out. I'm gonna enjoy. I'm kind of finding out where my body is right now. I'm finding where next steps are as far as sports. So, you know, life is good. I'm happy, healthy, and that's just really where I'm going. Can you guys please take Lou on the golf course? We'd love to. And then get some video. I'd love to. Come on, Lou. I've literally never been on a golf course before. This has to happen. That's all right. 37 years old, never been on a golf course. Yeah. Oh, never. We got you, bro. Don't worry. Yeah, you're an athlete. But you can't take money from it. Like, that's the rule, right? Nah, nah, nah, nah. We won't place them. Just from each other. We won't place them. No. I'm trying to protect you, Lou. Nah, that'll be fine. We got you. Next week. I appreciate it. I'm rolling. We got a minute left, Chandler. Anything you want to share? That's it, Johnny. I'm happy for you, buddy, for real. I love now for you. Everybody, I wish you would tell them about that little streak you went on in Dallas.  That is true. There was a time in Dallas also where Johnny stayed with me for about a good month. And I think I averaged 25 for that month. Oh, wow. We always call Johnny my little rabbit's foot. And by the way, we would go. We'd drop 25. We would go out. We would party. And we would still do it the next night. And it was just rinse and repeat. And it was, he was my good luck charm. I want to hear the best going out story. That's PG-13. We're going to be more to the minute. Yeah, I don't know if this is the show for. 20 seconds left. That's a PG-13. We're going to be more to the minute. We had a great speech toast on Martin Luther King Day one time. What? We had a great Cabo trips. There's nothing that we can really talk about. Don't worry about it. We'll tell you after the show. If you think we're not starting the show tomorrow with the end of today's show, Lou and I have questions. Deuce, Johnny. Appreciate it, buddy. Appreciate it. See you guys. Thank you for having me on. See y'all tomorrow. They're running back, running back, running up, running back, running up, running back, running up.