Hello and welcome to the Drum History podcast. I'm your host Bart Van Der Zee and today we are joined by the very acclaimed author, Mr. Joel Selvin. Joel, welcome to the podcast. Good to be here, Bart. Yes. So I am super excited. You've been on my calendar for a year. I believe I emailed you like a year ago because someone recommended, you know, hey, there's a Jim Gordon book coming out and I found you and then you said, talk to me in a year. So you've been the farthest out calendar invite kind of thing on my phone calendar for a while. Today we're talking about drums and demons, the tragic journey of Jim Gordon, which is a very sad story. It's famous to many, many drummers, but I've been asking around to folks who aren't drummers and they go, who's Jim Gordon? So it's interesting how, you know, it's a wild story that I think we can help get it out there even more. And that's great. Your book is out today, the day that podcast is coming out, February 27th. It's available to purchase. The story is incredible drummer, prolific career, fast forward, tragic ending where he ended up murdering his mother in a schizophrenic kind of frenzy. I just want to let people know that's what we're getting at so you don't get to the end and go, whoa. So backing up, Joel, how did his career start? Well, the first thing I want to tell you about is that schizophrenia is unbelievably common. It occurs in one in 100 in the general population. By comparison, multiple sclerosis is one in 10,000. So all those people you see out on the streets sleeping under freeways, they're hearing voices. They're schizophrenics. And it's a tragedy of extraordinary dimensions. They do not live in the same reality that you and I do.  Jim had a golden life. He was raised in San Fernando Valley in the 50s and found drums early in life and fell all the way down that rabbit hole. By the time he was in high school, he was being trained at UCLA. He played in various symphony orchestras and marching bands. And by the time he completed high school, well, the next day, he went on the road with the Everly Brothers. So 17 years old, he's starting at the top. He's gravitated to session work. And in Los Angeles in the early 60s, session work was something that was just exploding. And Jim had this extraordinary ability, this natural, this intuitive grasp of dividing time that everybody who heard him play was just shocked and amazed. He rewrote the book of drums. The big session drummers in Los Angeles at the time were Earl Palmer and Hal Blaine. And they just stepped aside and Jim went in shoulder to shoulder. Jim's playing on Good Vibrations by the Beach Boys. He's playing on Beat Goes On by Sonny and Cher. He's playing on Nancy Sinatra records. Glenn Campbell records. There's a brilliant drum part on Wichita linemen. And he attained the height of success in session work. Six days a week, three sessions a day, $100, $200,000 a year.  And after five years of that, he grew tired of rooms with no windows. Plus in 1969, the scene had shifted from hit records to the stage. 1969, Led Zeppelin was touring that fall. They did a two and a half hour show with a half hour drum solo. Who were taking Tommy around the country? The Rolling Stones were back on the boards. And that's when Jim got into the Delaney and Bonnie band. Went from that to Joe Cocker and Mad Dogs and Enishman, and straight from that to London where he was a founding member of Derrick and the Dominoes. And of course he's the half author of Gleila, which is the single classic rock anthem of all time. He left London after a couple of years there. I mean, Derrick and the Dominoes, their first job was playing on the George Harrison solo sessions, which at that point was the absolute height of the rock culture. He was in there doing the first solo sessions for former Beatles. And Ringo started out doing those sessions, but he had to go to Nashville for a couple of weeks when he came back. Jim was behind the kit and they gave him a tambourine. Okay. Ringo didn't mind. Back in Los Angeles, he went back to the session work right away. He's doing hit records right off. Helen Reddy, I am woman. Gordon Lightfoot, sundown. Ricky, don't lose that number. Steely Dan, his masterpiece. You're so vain, Carly Simon. And he worked as much as you could work. About 1975, he started really being interfered with by the mental illness. By 1978, he was done. He comes to an end, a sudden end. He goes to Las Vegas. He's going to play a two week engagement with Paul Anka. He sets up for the rehearsal. He strikes his drum once.  He looks up to the musical director, says, I have psychological problems. I can't play this gig. Wow. And he went home and he really didn't play anymore.  No more big sessions. No more double scale dates.  Was he earlier on, was this documented at all that he was having these kind of issues? I guess I don't know much about schizophrenia if you're born with it, or if it kind of creeps up. Neither do the doctors, Bart. They don't know what causes it. They don't know why it goes into remission when it does. They don't understand much about it at all. Yeah. And also, in Jim's case, the psychiatrist he saw and he saw many, he checked into psychiatric hospitals many times, like 15 times in four years. They didn't understand the dimensions of his illness because he was so successful. He was so high functioning. They just assumed that he was depressive, or maybe there was a mood disorder, but they didn't see.  He wasn't telling them about the voices and the so-called command hallucinations. And what command hallucinations are is the voices tell you to do something. And if you don't do it, they give you the mother of all headaches. The psychiatrists call it the electric hat band. Jim called it white, hot, cruelty pain. It was sort of headache that would make you crawl along the floor and wet your pants. Oh my God. So if the voices don't want you to eat, you put your fork down. You leave the restaurant. Wow. If the voices don't want you to play drums, you don't play drums. And the voices hated drums and hated him eating. And now, you know, I'm talking about this like they are some entity outside of Jim's mind, but they aren't. Yeah. And that frustrated Jim, too, that he felt he was an intelligent person, a capable person, and he couldn't manage this, he couldn't surmount it. It was something that was, he was ashamed of. So he didn't reveal himself to people. There would be these unexplained episodes, little explosions, or a violent episode outbreaks even. But they weren't clear what they were about to even Jim. But nowadays he would be given medicine to probably... They gave him medicine then. They gave him primitive, anti-psychotic medicine, heavy duty tranquilizers. The only thing that worked for Jim was illegal drugs. Alcohol worked and cocaine worked. Cocaine. I'm talking to psychiatrists. Why would cocaine work on somebody whose head's filled with voices? Oh, it regulates the dopamine levels. Okay. And alcohol had a very deafening effect. It deafened the voices. Gotcha. And he had this enormous capacity to consume any kind of medicine.  He wanted him to take 45 milligrams of Haldol, which is this, a really strong anti-psychotic, in three doses a day, 15, 15, and 15. And he shows up a couple of days later, looks at the chart, and they've been giving him three doses of 45 a day, 45, 45, 45. The shrink heads up to see Jim, figuring this guy's going to be a zombie. He didn't experience even any therapeutic effects. Okay. So he's wired a little bit differently, but... Well, that's why he drums like he does. You read my mind. I was going to say, maybe that's what makes him so special the other way, which...  You know, I've heard other drummers trying to scribe the Jim Gordon style to me. You know, you retired the second beat, and then it puts a roll in the measure, and you know, you can do it, right? No, you can't. Do you have to have such finely tuned intuition in order to play beyond notation like that? Right? It's his style. We're not talking any semi-quavers. We're talking beyond that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Which, all right, we're like, I mean, we just went, that was an unbelievable way to summarize it, but I just want to kind of... People got this from what you said, but the amount of sessions and songs, and you can't be in the car listening to the radio for more than 10 minutes if you have classic rock or whatever a rock station on without hearing a Jim Gordon song. I mean, he is a part of music history more than people very fairly give credit to, but he was a protege of Hal Blaine as what I've read. I mean, he was in the wrecking crew, correct? Well, first of all, that's a term I kind of deplore. It comes up in the 80s. Hal Blaine sort of popularized it. The guys in the recording sessions that worked those sessions back in Los Angeles in the 60s, they didn't know they were the wrecking crew. I know. And then Carol Kay Kay or whatever. She's serious about it, but so was Steve Douglas, who was a very close friend of mine. Steve thought it was really trivializing. And who's the wrecking crew? 50, 60 people. Yeah. But what you're saying was true that that Hal Blaine and Earl Palmer were the first called drummers. Jim shows up on the scene in 1964 and he vaults right into them along their, you know, first call. Yeah. Protege, yeah, Hal tossed him all the work. Hal introduced him to the Beach Boys. Hal and Jim share the composite master track to Good Vibrations, although that's all Jim on Heroes and Villains. And you know about God only knows, right? Orange juice bottles. Oh, really? Yeah. He's fooling around with orange juice bottles on the session. Somebody else has got the trap set. He's doing additional percussion. And Brian catches on to it and goes, Hey, yeah. So he takes a razor blade and he cuts off the bottom of four orange juice bottles and he pitches them. So they're four different notes. And he goes right along the drum part going clop, clop, clop, clop, clop, clop, clop. Next time you hear God only knows, you're going to hear those. Yeah. Now I will, I will have to hear it. And you said they're right in the mix. They're part of the whole thing. That's awesome. And you sent me some great photos of it looks like Brian Wilson kind of shirtless in the studio and then Jim Gordon wearing a fire hat. That's the fire sessions from the smile album. Yeah, it looks like he fit right in and could kind of hang because he was younger than those other guys. So he was kind of getting into that rock generation a little bit more than maybe Earl Palmer and Hal Blaine who are a little bit earlier. So he was a young guy, but he was rock and roll. You know, go into that in the book about how all these other drummers were under the influence of Gene Krupa. And that was their world was Gene Krupa. And Jim, he was rock and roll, baby. He was 11 years old when Heartbreak Hotel hit the radio. So that's, he's that other side of that generation. And that's what he brought to the Los Angeles recording sessions was he brought this rock and roll sensibility. Everybody just loved Jim. Yeah, which that's huge. I mean, that is an enormous first band to get into. But all right, so he's playing on all these huge songs. He's getting the money. What was his lifestyle like?  Did he have fast cars or was he just work all the time? You know, was he with you? He was high school sweetheart, who was a dancer on Dick Clark's Where the Action Is. Gorgeous blonde gal. They loved cars. They bought cars like crazy. They had a beautiful Spanish style two bedroom house in the valley, not far from where his parents live. And yeah, when you work three sessions a day, six days a week, you don't have too much time for a lifestyle. And his wife was on a TV show five days a week. So they were busy young show business couple. Yeah, absolutely.  But you know what I think about that part, is I think the only place in the world where Jim was safe was with drumsticks in his hand. And I think that the rhythmic entrainment and the report of the drum, because as you know, when you hit a drum, you feel it in every cell in your body. So I'm playing trumpet. I believe those two things and the power of the almighty groove just lifted him up above the voices. And he didn't hear the voices and he didn't have his disease and he was free. And that's why the drumming was the sanctuary to him. Everybody else is just a drummer, because Jim drums were life. Wow, that's very powerful. I mean truly for it to be freeing him from quote unquote kind of demons in his head. That is wild. All right. So he burns out. Let's get back on that timeline there of kind of leading up to what happened. So how old was he when he stopped? Like when he was like, I'm not doing this anymore. I can't play the sessions anymore. If you had to put a rough age to it. 45 and stopped in 78. So what's that? That's 33. Man, I'm 33. That's incredible too. Well, he had a 15 year career. That's it. 15 years. And you know, played on 100 great records. Yeah. Iconic.  But really looking at your list on this nice sheet you sent me though, like John Lennon, George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Frank Zappa, Steeley Dan, Ringo Starr, Harry Nielsen, Joe Cocker and many more. I mean, the list is, it's, I don't want to say it's the right place at the right time, but he pretty much was the guy on every iconic, playing with every iconic rock star that we know today. So here's the thing, Bart, is that his job in the studio was to make hit records, right? Yeah. And that was a science that they pursued. So that after a while, after, you know, a couple of thousand sessions, they're no longer chasing hit records, they're making hit records. And when Jim goes into the studio, he's a part of that hit making machine. And I could give you example of example of pieces where his drum part sealed the deal.  He was the third drummer to cut that track. Midnight at the Oasis. Who would have thought of that Samba groove for that record? Jim did. Yeah. One of my favorites of his is My Maria by BW Stevenson. He just embeds the drum part so far into the composition, into the fabric of the composition. You can't imagine somebody else playing it. And if somebody else had tackled it, who was just like a, you know, a backbeat timekeeper kind of guy, it would have been just an ordinary piece. I'm not sure it would have been a top 10 hit. So that's the surgical skill that that guy developed. And when he got out into the rock band world, where you're no longer playing under a microscope, but you're playing to the grandstands, he opened up his style. And you can hear him on live albums by traffic, Delaney and Bonnie, Joe Cocker and Derek and the Dominoes. And he's ferocious. Good. I mean, that's great that he, I feel like the way you describe it of getting out of the walls of the studio and getting on the stage, that had to be fun. I mean, was he living the rock and roll lifestyle on the road? I mean, was he partying pretty hard and kind of, I mean, was he living the life back then? He was kind of a square guy that grew up in very conservative. And as the whole drug culture started to leak into it, he sampled it. But I think it was the Mad Dog's Englishman tour where he dived in drinking, psychedelics, everything. And that's also where he had his first real psychotic break when he punched out his girlfriend, Rita Coolidge. Wow. Not good. Clearly. But it's hard to be in your own mind. I'm sure that must have been tough to just not really understand. He did understand, though. He did try and get himself checked out and just not be able to solve. It took him a long time to understand that the voices were something that he made up. Long, long time. Yeah, you can't even imagine that. That was when he was in residential treatment at UCLA when he finally told his psychiatrist that he realized that he was generating the voices. Not that that made much difference, you understand. Yeah, they're still there. And they're still getting the headaches. Geez, Louise. Yeah, that's terrible. So, all right, but we have about 10 years from ish from this point to when the tragedy kind of happened. So, what happened in that period there when he was done playing off the road? I remember reading it in your book where it's, you know, he's playing in kind of bar bands. And it's how your book starts. And it's not really very pretty to see that where what the guy came from. So, how did that go? That decade? It was playing Blue Mondays out in Santa Monica at some Irish bar for about 40 people. Three sets a night, 50 bucks. The other guys in the band were all great musicians, but they hadn't had any success. They would go on eventually as a success. The bass player would go on to Chris Isaacs' band and Pete Anderson, the guitar player, would produce Dwight Yokum's records. But at that point, they were just, you know, scuffling. And they couldn't believe that Jim Gordon stumbled into their club one night and was looking for a band to join. He'd been in a couple of bands and it was the thing in the MTV world, you know, bands. So, he thought that might be a way back into music. It really didn't work out. One of the Schizophrenics have an impossible time with human relations. Impossible. So, being in a band just strained all that part of his life of having to keep that mask on, that genial, compliant, collaborative mask, while inside his interior life is roiling and turbulent. And you mean band, meaning like, instead of being a session player, I'm hired for a tour. Right.  Right. We're the band, yes, understood. There are a couple of different groups you put together. He didn't put them together. Other people put them together and included him, who were session musicians who would like not get in the kind of work they were before the MTV thought maybe like directing themselves in this way. But they never got past the garage band style. The Monday nights at the Santa Monica Irish Bar were like about as public as he got. Yeah, I imagine there wasn't much motivation or if you're having that much difficulty holding it together with four guys in a room because of what's going on inside of you, it's hard to kind of push and drive and have the, you know, and really try to make it happen. So he does that for a while and then take us through the event, you know, if you want to talk about that. Well, Chief among the voices in his head was the voice of his mother. And his mother was a nurse. There was nothing wrong with OSA. Maybe she was a little controlling, but she had a difficult child to deal with, adult child and a grandchild that she was very close to. But she didn't really exist as a real person in Jim's head. Like Jim would go for dinner at his mother's house and she would wonder out loud why he didn't want to eat his dinner. Inside Jim's head, her voice was telling him, don't eat that. Don't eat that.  And she didn't understand this. And Jim thought that, oh, that was just her little game trying to get him to eat. He knows she doesn't want him to eat. And OSA's husband went into, Jim's dad, went into Alcoholics Anonymous in 1958. So they were extremely well versed in what the recovery community had to offer in the mid-70s. And OSA was convinced that Jim's problems were drugs and alcohol. She didn't understand that there was underlying mental issues. And in fact, the recovery community in 1975 had very little understanding of what we now know as dual diagnosis, where you're addicted and you have organic mental illness. And those things braid together in a very complex and confusing way. They know more about dealing with this now than they did in 75, but it's still very complicated. In 75, they didn't even have the phrase. So doctors were very confused about what the role drugs and alcohol played in his condition and none of them. And there were many, many, many doctors and none of them guessed schizophrenia.  The whole thing built to extraordinary, horrible climates. It started with the gold records. He had a room in which he hung all his gold records. And they were very important to him. That was all that was left of his career. And the voices wanted him to throw them away. And they tortured him. So he finally took the records down off the wall, took them out to the dumpster, went back to his condo and guzzled vodka until he was drunk enough that the voices had died down. Then he went and got his gold records and hung them back up. Sometimes he would do this four or five times a night. Okay. This went on for weeks. And then the voices wanted the drums. Now that, he didn't want to do it all. So the headache was unbelievable. And finally he had to give in there too.  That went on until the night before he killed his mother. Man, torture.  I guess that's, there's no, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of psychological reasons to that, but what misery that he had to go through? What hell? The voices, check this out, Bart. The voices coming from his head. So they know everything he's ever done. They know every thought he's ever had. They know all his weak spots and they go right there. You couldn't have a worse enemy than yourself. Yeah, true. And that's exactly what was going on with Jim was these voices were burrowing in to all his fears, all his anxieties, his deepest feelings. Before we get to the next day or the next night with his mom, did he end up fully destroying his beloved gold records and drums or did those remain?  Only this time, they weren't quite hanging right. They weren't so neat. They weren't, and he looked at them hanging on the wall in slight disarray and he was overcome with a great sense of despair. So he was very, very far down some emotional alleyway at that point. And when the thought started to occur to him through voices in his head that he could kill his mother, it had never occurred to him before. Suicide had, there had been several suicide attempts, but this, that was a new thought. Now he was concerned that his mother would feel the pain. So he got a hammer. He thought if he hit her with a hammer, he would knock her unconscious and then he could stab her and she wouldn't feel it. It was a brutal, brutal attack. And he smashed her with a hammer a number of times and he stabbed her a number of times right through the aorta. She was killed instantly and the last stab wound stuck in the floor. Geez. Was he aware of what he did and did it kind of snap out of it for a second? I'm sure he was aware of what he did, but you know what I mean? Did it, the weight of it hit him? So he was in a fugue state, but he was very well aware of what he was doing in the sense of consciously killing his mother. This was being very crucial in his trial because the year before they had changed the law surrounding insanity defenses in California. And pretty much in order to qualify for an insanity defense, you had to not know what you were doing when you did it. And since the cop showed up at Jim's apartment and the first thing he said to him was, I killed my mother. He knew what he was doing. Yeah. They didn't really qualify for the insanity defense. However, the judge and there was no jury was understood that this man was insane. I mean, the prosecution witnesses said he was insane and didn't have the facility for premeditation. So Jim was convicted of second degree murder. He was sentenced to 17 years. He served 38 and died in jail. Yeah. Every time parole came up, Jim would do something to undermine his parole hearing. He clearly didn't want out of jail. He wanted to stay in. Why no jury? I know there's, my wife's an attorney, but she's with the city here and I know there's reasons why they don't do juries for certain things. Why no jury for him? I think that was a very wise defense decision. The horrifying nature of the crime was just so extreme. Yeah.  Nobody visited Jim in jail. One person showed up at the trial. That would be J. Osmond, the drummer of the Osmond Brothers. He was just instantly forgotten. And as far as his career goes and his contribution to the music, that's totally buried. Nobody thinks about it or talks about it or anything. There's some Rolling Stone list of the best 500 rock drummers. I haven't seen it myself, but somebody that did an interview with me checked it out and they said they could find him. You're right. I mean, I don't have that memorized, but I've seen that. And really his name is kind of whitewashed from history. But what about all the payments for all these massive songs? Did that continue to roll in? Jim was the most wealthy prisoner in the California penal authority because of those royalties. Pretty much just Layla.  I doubt kicks down a lot of dough. But the family didn't talk to him. He hadn't seen his daughter since she was 10 years old. And she was very close to her grandmother. She was 14 and she was traumatized by this. His ex-wife wanted nothing to do with him. She was very close to her mother-in-law. Same with Mike Post, his lifelong associate and best friend. No, no. Jim cut himself off from everybody in the world when he did that. There's no blueprint for how to handle that situation. So you don't blame people for not wanting to be around him. But how was he received as a prisoner? People must have liked him. There were two attitudes about it. One which was, you know, wow, he was a rock star. And the other was what a waste. So Jim, from what I know from talking to people who serve time with Jim was not super present on the yard. He was kind of reclusive, stayed to himself, didn't play music in any organized fashion, would occasionally sit in with the prison ban, but really avoided that. And this is in keeping with how schizophrenics behave as they get older. They become more and more withdrawn and more and more reclusive. God, yeah. Well, it's a sad story. It's obviously a very sad story.  I mean, Jim seems like he was tortured the entire time.  So that really sort of pulls people in both directions. So Zappa said that he doesn't condone murder. But if this has to do with chemicals in the brain, it could happen to anyone. Yeah. Jim never really got much help. There's no shortage of irony about Bart, the rock scene of the seventies, incredibly accommodating, hospitable to drug addicts, alcoholics, sex deviants, but somebody who was actually mentally ill. I don't know what to do with that. He never got any of the compassion that he deserved.  That just came out of the blue. They don't know about the 15 hospital admissions behind that. They don't know about the years of torture, of all the incredible efforts that Jim went through to try and rid himself of these voices and get back to the golden life that he was scheduled to lead. None of that made the papers or the Rolling Stone or anything.  That's very lurid and tawdry and great material for a headline. But it's not the whole story and it's not the picture of Jim's life. No, it's not indeed. And I was going to ask, I mean, this is seven years before I was born that this happened. Was this headlines all over? Was this major news, this mega rock star? Just did they latch onto it and turn it into it? It wasn't O.J. Simpson by any means. But the guy that played on Eric Clapton's records kills his mother. He gets his name in the newspaper. Yeah, that's fair to say. Yeah. Boy, okay, but he passed away in 2023. So very recently, I mean, were you already working on this book in some capacity or did you start? I mean, how long have you, how long did this take to put together? I've been working on the book for about four years. It came out of the pandemic. And I had completed the manuscript and submitted to the publishing house, took a vacation, went to Hawaii. And the first morning that I was in Hawaii, I got a call from Mike Post. Mike was Jim's high school buddy. They were in their first band together. He was his daughter's godfather. And when I first started to research the book, I got a hold of Mike Post to see if there would be any possibility of getting the family to cooperate with me. And he was very respectful, but absolutely not. No question about it. This was a trauma to these people. They wanted nothing to do with it and wished me well, but that was it. So Mike's on the phone telling me the Jim has died and the family wants to get out in front of it and they want to send out a release, but they don't know how. And they wondered if I could do it. So no problem. We sent out the press release announcing Jim's death. And at that point, then Mike and Jim's wife and daughter Amy became involved in the project. We conducted interviews, shared photographs. And now they've read the book and they've extremely moved by it. Mike Post said that it caused him to understand that he couldn't have helped Jim and that he had felt guilty all this time because he hadn't helped Jim enough. And now he realized that wasn't possible. The daughter told me that the book explained so much to her that she needed to understand and they're grateful. The word for that part is validation. Those people read this book and I was aware they were out there when I was writing it, but I wrote the book that I wanted to write and told the story the way I wanted to tell it and have them be able to embrace that work given all they've been through, validation. I think you handled it in a very, it's factual, it's positive. You're like, this guy didn't get a fair shake. He was mentally, it was an imbalance in his brain. I mean, it wasn't his fault. You're not going for the salacious kind of like, you know, you don't have some horrible picture on the cover of the book that's like, you know, pointing to what happened. I think you handle it very respectfully. It's incredible to read and it's just, it's, I don't know, man, it makes you feel a lot of weird, you feel bad for him. You can't believe that it happened. You love the rock and roll history. It's just, it's fun to read, but I want to ask you a question about, and this is just, maybe it's, it's, you see things on TV or about true stories, but you wonder like, what you said about Jim and his apartment, taking things off the wall and taking things out to the, to the garbage and bringing it back in. If he's alone, schizophrenic, you know, voices in his head, how do you know these details to put them in the book? And then at what level do you kind of fill in with your own? Because you're an incredible author. I didn't fill in much at all. But I did happen into a pile of research that a couple of gals compiled in 1988. So five years after the crime, they got Jim to agree to cooperate with a book. And they had a lot of interviews with Jim in jail. They had access to his diaries, his medical records. They didn't really know what they were, were dealing with.  It was just his studio dates. Oh yeah, that's useless, right? That's, that's a book right there. So they, they were, they were not professional journalists. And they never completed the, the book and split up back in the early nineties. And I'd met them at that point and, and tried to convince them at that point to turn over their research to me. One of them just wouldn't let go. It was too personal. So like 30 years later, some book editor at Harper Collins says, you know what you should do for your next book, Joel? You should do something about rock and roll and crime. I go, oh, Jim Gordon, I circle back and was able to acquire that research at this point. So yes, invaluable access to, you know, Jim's inner thoughts and, and, and his activities and, and yeah, all that stuff about weeding his back garden. As you said, with those two women where you can have all that information, but to boil it down and make it into something that's readable and that's a story is truly a skill. I mean, you've written a ton of books. So you know how to do this as a, as a great rock and roll author, but really that that's the, that's what gets it into, you know, people's hands to actually want to read it is, is it a good story? Good or bad, tragic. And I think you did again, you did a great job. Thank you so much, Bart. I really appreciate that. The story, I just needed to stay out of the way of the story and, and, and get it on the page without prejudice. And that's what I wanted to do. It was a, there were points where it was very difficult to thread that needle and you just, you use your most sense, your best sensibilities, but yeah. And you earlier, you said it was fun to read. I gotta tell you, I would have to go revise that book. And when I got to the second half, my stomach would turn sour. Yeah. I couldn't work on the book. Oh, you know, the usual working days, eight, 10, 12 hours, I would have to go upstairs after a couple hours, just feel terrible. It's wrenching, wrenching material. There's so much pain on every page. And I came to really feel for Jim. I saw him do his troubled heart and I came to really feel for this guy like I was going to give him the compassion as a author that he's been deserving all this time and never got. Yeah. I don't know how you or anyone would feel about it, but it almost just seems like that kind of story that would become nowadays like a Netflix show or something, these kind of crime stories. At first I thought it was an impossible story for any kind of cinematic treatment because it's just, it's got such a horrible denouement. As I looked over the book and came to be more familiar with how the story laid out, I began to see it is cinematic. It is incredibly cinematic. And Jim is a very unconventional hero, but he is a hero. He is somebody who went to battle against a severe enemy, mental illness, and he battled really hard. And in the end, he lost. But that is what trauma is about. The controversy, the adversity of conflict and the question of whether you're going to overcome it or not. You know, in literature, he would have overcome it in real life. He didn't. Yeah. Well, I don't think I asked this before, but you yourself are not a drummer, I would imagine, correct? Or are you? I am not. Yeah.  Yes. Yeah, but this is a story beyond drummers. I mean, there's some episodes I do with a Civil War historian and we talk about Civil War drums because they know that world, but this is so beyond that that it got your attention. Drums are an important part of the whole thing. Like I said, I really feel like Jim's disease was defeated by the drums, that his incredible supernatural ability to the drums were a product of his electrochemical setup in his brain. And then there's the whole spiritual connection of the ancient history of drums. I think I said in the book that to strike a drum is to shake hands with the ancestors. Yeah. Yeah. And the bass drum is the mother drum and the heartbeat. And I mean, I think we're all biased if you're most people listening to this are drummers, but there's something very, like you said, it's ancient. And I think they're also used to very cool instruments. It's physical. Keep people dancing to keep soldiers marching. It's used to hypnotize people. And the shaman, the shaman knows the drum as a beacon to guide him home from his out of body experiences. Okay. Wow. That's pretty cool. I've never heard that one. I've heard plenty of other uses like firemen hitting drums to let people know and things like that. But wow, we all love the drums. You're on the drum history podcast here. So we all love it. So let's talk about some of your other books here. I have not read your other books. I've heard your name through the research and things, but like you picked the right topics to talk about from what I can see. And I'm excited to read some of your other books, Altamont, Sly and the Family Stone. You have a ton of books. So tell us more about your other works. Well, I spent 36 years as the pop music critic at the San Francisco Chronicle. And I wrote a few books during the time I was at the paper, but in 09, you may have heard about the Daily Newspaper Business. I was one of 120 editorial employees to leave their jobs that year at the Chronicle. And yeah, I've published 12 books I've sent. So it's about one a year. The first thing I did was call my old pal, Sammy Hagar, who had been bugging on me about writing a book and said, do you want to do that book now? And we cut a deal in about three minutes. And that thing was a number one New York Times bestseller. Unbelievable. So right out of the box, I felt like there was there was some there there. And you mentioned here comes the night. That's the biography of a songwriter named Bert Burns that very few people know. And after that book came out, he was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. A documentary was made about and Rob Reiner has just finished a script based on my book. He's going to shoot the Spinal Tap sequel sometime this year, I think next month. And then he's going to shoot the Bert Burns book based on my movie. Unbelievable, man.  Yeah, good stories. And they're not all always there.  You should write a book about it. You know, anecdotes don't make a book. A story makes a book. And you find a story, then you work on telling it. Altamont was just an obvious story. I don't know why some better writer didn't get to it before I did. But there I was just waiting around for me. And it's a story. Everything happens within six weeks. It's got a beginning, a middle and an end. And the Jim Gordon biography is so much more than a biography, right? It's this kind of epic journey through this incredible adversity and this tragic ending. Yeah. I would say the most, I can't think of a more tragic ending. Maybe for a musician, there's been some pretty tragic ones. But in the drum community, it is the tragic story. I mean, I think that's fair to say. I think, you know, I'm trying to think of other drummers. Gene Krupa being busted in 1943 for, you know, Smoke and Weed. Or having Sal Minio play him in a movie. Oh my God. I know. There's a full episode with Brooks Tagler about that movie. Which was fun, you know, and then people, we did a show on that movie and a lot of people came out and said, Hey, you know what? That got me started playing the drums. So for people who loved it, I said, you know, whatever, good for you. That's what it's all about. But all right, Joel, this is awesome, man. But I'm going to preemptively ask, because it's going to be a comment on YouTube, where are his drums? Where are his There are the Camcos, yes, yes. Which Camcos historic brand? Yeah. Two sets of Camcos, one of them with the walnut shell. Those were his kits, you know, the four piece kit. And he sometimes put a fifth drum in sort of like a Timbali that's on its own stand. It wasn't really part of the kit. But so they're sold. And they've been sold in pieces. At some point, during his incarceration, Jim empowered a former prisoner who had been released to deal with some of his possessions. And that guy put the drums up for sale on eBay. So you can go out there in your drum bulletin boards looking and there's a lot of discussion and a lot of photographs, this Jim Camcos and there's snare drums that came from this, you know, that are for sale that came from the kit. And you know, who knows what happened to them, right? And if those are real pieces of the of the true set or not.  They're out there in the world. And then they're not Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That's the sad thing that kind of happens if things get split up. And then they never really kind of fully come back together. Just sold how Blaine's Pearl Kit that he cut all those Spectre records on. Sure. Geez. And then it's out there and it ends up in some millionaires. It's probably Ursa from Indianapolis, you know, but it's just ridiculous that that set isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or some museum somewhere. I mean, yeah, no, it's in a football owning, you know, millionaire, billionaire's office or something like that. Beautiful drums. That's so sad. There was, I did an episode which you would probably get a kick out of about a recent Gene Krupa, one of his iconic, his drums from the 40s ended up in a basement somewhere, sitting kind of in a pool of water and the auctions were kind of spinning around on the forums and the owner, who's a great guy, actually ended up getting them for about 3,500 bucks. So pretty wild. I had no detailed knowledge of Krupa's role in creating the modern drum set. Oh, yeah. That was fascinating to me. And so it's not enough that the guy showed us how to play it. He designed the kit to play it on. Fascinating. Yes. And how to act and kind of be a gentleman and be a movie star.  But Gene was always kind of the dapper, the dapper dude, who everyone, everyone looks up to and liked. But anyway, that's another story. The Gene Krupa protege that never gets the credit that he deserves is Gary Chester. Oh, yeah, I know Gary Chester. I know the name. I'm sure I've seen many years. Every Bacharach record, every Libran Stolar record, most of the Bert Burns records, just all through New York from like 1960 to 1969, Gary Chester was on those sessions. Interesting. Yep. The cool thing is, as I've done this show, I never, I went into this show five years ago. I mean, I've played the drums my whole life, but I went into this to learn more with people like yourself. And I'm still five, I'm five years in. I'm 230 episodes deep. And I love Gene Krupa. And I love to keep learning things like that. It's, there's still so much more to learn. Do a little research on Gary Chester. You'll be amazed. I will. Yes. Some of his famous tricks was he had a tambourine on his hi-hat. Oh yeah. And which later Bonham used in some capacity. Oh, no. There's the Gary Chester thing. Tambourine on the hi-hat. As T-Bone Burnett says, I don't like hi-hats. I don't want that rigid distinction of time on my records. And the other thing was he used to put, you know, remember sand ashtrays? Ashtrays with little bags of sand underneath them? Yeah, I think so.  Oh, wow. Which now there's all kinds of little... Yes, yes, yes. Now that's a whole industry of little tiny things to put on your snare. But all right, Joel. Well, I appreciate you coming on here and sharing your story, man.  The music journalism of Joel Selvin is the headline. I think you're a nice guy.  Well, we're talking about Jim. Why don't you tell people where they can get the book now that it's out again? If you're interested in buying the book, you should definitely buy it at your local independent bookseller. It is, of course, available at all online booksellers such as Barnes and Nobles and the other guys. But, you know, help your bookstore. Yeah, I hear you loud and clear. Yeah, support the small ones. All right, Joel. Well, thank you very much, my friend. It's been a pleasure. I want to also thank Ben Merlis for helping and coordinating us. He and I have talked a lot and he's listened to the show before and has heard it before. Yes, so I appreciate that to Ben. So Joel, thank you for being here. My pleasure and good luck with the progeny.


Hey guys, it's Nate, aka The Foot Accountant. Welcome back to the channel. I honestly think that EA has broken Pac-Luck right now on FIFA 23 because the footies cards are flying and I especially got even more lucky than I ever have. I think I used up all of my Pac-Luck in the last two days, but the entirety of this is FIFA, man. Look at my coin balance. It is up. I'll explain why it's so high today and we'll talk about some of those insane Pac-Puls that not just I'm having, but a lot of you guys are having as well. And of course, we have more to grind since those SBCs came back that we were hoping to see. And also, we got to think about what content is going to be coming today. So we're going to talk a lot about the footies menu grand once again in today's video. If you're excited for a drop of thumbs up, subscribe if you're new. Let's talk about content yesterday because, hey, we mentioned in yesterday's video, a crafting objective is what came out. And I'm glad that there was another one because we're all doing this crafting upgrade SBC a lot right now as it is or at least some of us are. And now we get some extra packs and a nice Laquan 96 rated center back card to go alongside of that medium high. They boosted his week for the four star and he is a lengthy guys, lengthy in August. That is something to be proud of with 99 short and long past reactions, composure, strength, jumping. That has to be a pretty cracked out card, especially for the fact that he is lengthy. Throw a shadow on that item and boom, that is going to be an insane card, premium item as well. And of course, some nice packs along the way, 85 times 10 in there, 784 plus 85 five. That's a W, right? No, if answer butts about it, W from EA and a footies rivals bonus is back as well. If you're playing any rivals right now, or if you need to fodder, this is a place where you can get some lower tier fodder. No problem with that as well. Now let's go to SBCs because we had the refresh guys, the important to refresh of our favorite SBC, the 85 times 10. The only kind of caveat to these content was the upgrade to the 85 times 10 in terms of how many times we can do it every single day was very small. We go from five times a day to seven times a day with the requirements being exactly the same. Yes, it is a dub 95% of voted the 84 times 10 97% of voted who's surprised, right? We can continue our insane craft and our insane ground on the menus. I was hoping that the 85 10 would maybe be the one that would become unlimited repeatable, but I guess we're not quite there yet in terms of where EA wants this game to go. I think they're still holding us back just a little bit. Now also yesterday we had an 82 plus player pick which had the exact same requirements as the 81 plus player pick that went away last week. Not bad still though guys. I think the crafting upgrade is miles clear of that 82 plus player pick. If you want to do player picks right now, do the 87 plus player pick with fodder that you get or like what I'm doing a lot of right now, the 90 plus TOTS shapeshifter or footies player pick because it gives you an opportunity at those 99 rated cards. I'm actually got two of them because I opened a 400 K pack to end the stream yesterday. I've got two of them right now that I want to rip open for you guys because I'm chasing the 99s. That's not a 99 that is a 98 and I'm actually just going to take the team this season for the fodder because I don't want to be unassigned and I packed Allison at least four times already and boom. Okay, so not too many great ones there but with all the 84 times 10 extra fodder that I'm getting that's where I'm putting it right now just because I'm chasing after the Benzema and the Messi especially the Christian Ronaldo right those sorts of cards but hey we're not complaining because again the menu grind is back and that was the most important part of all of this. Now yesterday you guys maybe have you heard or you saw that I packed some really really insane cards and I'm talking about the footies pack look being broken guys it's it's crazy right. Obviously these packs look crazy but for some reason right now it just seems extra crazy with all these cards that are in packs Ginola and Rashford their prices on the market just keep going down because people keep packing them Ginola is under 700,000 coins Rashford is 700,000 coins himself and that was who I packed in yesterday's video if you went and check it out it is on the second channel we're going to have another video there today guys because not only did I pack R9 on Sunday but that was the crazy pack look that I was mentioning and that's why the coins have gone up so much somehow I have packed him again guys and this time it was tradable out of a 7.5 K preview pack and it's not even that insane to get a lot of good coins and a lot of good polls out of a 7.5 K pack right now let me talk to you guys about that that's kind of why the footies pack look is cracked to a whole nother level the 7.5 K pack theory is actually alive and well right now now right now I've already done my preview pack and I actually can't make profit from this one but inside of these preview packs guys there are so many things that sell right now and like Nate you're talking about preview packs in August I am because this is just a fun way to trap pack cards tradable and make coins I did like five of these in a row yesterday where I packed three team in the season cards and then the ones that I didn't pack team this season cards I was packing position modifiers which again sell for three to four thousand coins different managers like Canadian managers on the market sell for like four or five thousand coins as well because of the links that they give out that people need and what right now in this game I saw the Canadian manager for like four thousand coins that paid for most of a preview pack again preview packs are like cracked right now with the best of being out it's absolutely insane guys because you know the pack look I don't know it's just crazy with the best of being out there and the footies as well and I think it has to also do with the fact that we're opening so many packs at the same time right the eighty four times tens the eighty five times tens we're all just spamming packs right now that's what this game is it's not even about all how am I making coins are like what content are we expecting you know it's all just about the packs and grinding all of those through the SBCs and crafting and fodder being virtually free for everybody because it's everywhere right now and it's amazing right and it just feels like it's cracked I've got an eighty four times twenty five right now guys and I want to actually show you something if you're like starting to get tired of the grind because let's be honest right we're opening so many packs and grinding so much and if not a lot is changing it's going to start to get old even though it's so insane it's going to start to get old right now I want to show you something that is a little bit interesting it's going to save you time while you're opening these packs now it's kind of like a glitch I don't know how we how we haven't figured this out this game has been out for almost a year and we hadn't figured this out until this week at least this is the first time that I heard about it basically there's a way obviously right now when you open a lot of packs like all this eighty five times three probably going to get a tots we'll see okay I didn't wow that's actually crazy I didn't get a tots car in that pack but a lot of the packs that you open right now you're getting tots cards I'm just going to quick tell this to come right because he's going to be in the way but if you want to just actually skip those couple seconds of the walkout animation you can do that and it's kind of crazy I'm going to show you this through an eighty five or an eighty four times twenty five there's kind of like a little skip pack method you have to have a preview pack that is open and that's the key to all this it won't work if you don't have a preview pack that is open like right now I opened it I'm not going to buy it's sitting there so the way you do this is go to the pack that you'd like to open you're going to hit L one on the PlayStation controller and then X to open the pack you're going to go L one L one X like that or if you're on Xbox L be L be a to open the pack and you have to do it pretty fast but basically what it does is I'm going to show you right now is it skips the animation and it saves you a couple seconds if you're grinding a ton of the menus it might be kind of helpful so watch this we're going to open an eighty four twenty five with doing this method right boom boom boom and it opens the pack and watch it's just going up here who are we going to get we got long we got five team in season cards and let's go to the back boom we got my Toronto so there you go man I I didn't have to see the walk out of the tots card and I got to the pack right there so you know it does kill a little bit of the suspense and a little bit of the hype inside of it but I think it's kind of cool because you can save yourself a lot of time especially when you're grinding to the eighty four times tens we've seen the pack animation all year and if you just want to get stuff done in this late stage of the game where you maybe don't want to spend a ton of time on the game that extra little glitch right there is going to save you a lot of time so I want to point that out to you guys today because I think that's actually pretty important and useful information on this game right now kind of like we talked about yesterday's video as well make sure you're checking your clubs because guys random cards sell for a lot of stuff like selling silvers and bronzes that Canadian manager for four point nine K anchors at two thousand coins shadows I was selling and still a lot of the position modifiers for four thousand coins a lot of these are still selling guys so make sure you're listing your stuff up also lazy buyers are out and they're very very prevalent right now this our nine was not a lazy buyer of course that was from my crazy pack I just got to keep it there a little bit longer but if you're listing of high rated team in the seasons or you know Todd's cards that you pack they sell for a couple thousand coins over the cheapest price because people are just doing a lot of SBCs now let's talk about content today because yeah we'll probably have a couple things coming to the game today I'm not expecting a massive day of content you know that it's already really crazy right now right here on this game now one SBC it's going to be refreshing today that is of course of note the eighty four times thirty right you get the tradable packs back from it I actually have not done it yet but it's going to refresh today so you'll be able to do that once more and the eighty three times one hundred guys it's been in the code we've seen the eighty two times one hundred is that going to come out today I feel like there's a slight chance of that I also feel like there's a slight chance of a player SBC but I don't think there's going to be that great of an opportunity to see one of those now one thing I will say is make sure with the refresh of the daily login you get that done today's day five can't miss any days run day five right now so if today for you you've done day five you're good to go you're up to track and you're on track make sure you don't forget to do that one today and then other content we could see today in objectives we actually might see new week and make bonus rewards last week of course it was the crazy one where they kept changing them it was play five win five win four finals and win eight finals is what they finally settled on before remember it said footies then it changed the prem in league one then they changed it back hopefully we get new bonus rewards today because that just gives us extra fodder packs and why not they've set that precedent there of having that just about every single week so we have hope to have that once again today and guys I'll say this about the market right now a little bit too like we mentioned with fodder if you're trying to trade I know it's like Nate we're trying to trade in August we got to talk about it for just a second because some of you guys are maybe wanting coins the best trading method right now is opening packs they give out tradable cards that is like the best trading method right now in this game but even when you grind the market a little bit again the bronze is Silver's if you're in the low tier and then of course trading with some of these top tier team in the seasons like they actually move 94s and above they sell for like 1516,000 coins on the 94s you get lazy sales there the 95s or 15k some of them go to like 20,000 coins randomly you know Kimmich Maldred some of these guys they move so you know flip those cards if you like to on the market right now the Schweinsteiger we shouted in last night's video I literally looked on stream today he went all the way up to like 380,000 coins and now he's back down to like 300k but he was like 300k last night and went up to 380 and now he's back down to 300k like these guys movement the market is moving even in late August time period because people are playing this game there's a lot of fluctuations that are out there so just keep a note of that as you're doing the 84 85 times 10 grind now a couple other things I want to mention to you guys really fast first of all there are beta codes that were sent out again make sure you check your email I tweeted about this yesterday because I got an email while we were live on stream that we actually got a beta code now I already have one but another one was sent to my email make sure if you had not gotten a beta code in the earlier release this month seems like EA sent out a second round of codes and they opened up all the different modes ultimate team kickoff clubs Volta everything is open now on the FC closed beta so check that out there and we have had massive news around FC 24 in a couple of days I think guys there's going to be a new announcement here in the next couple of days Nikki Kai one of the leakers that we've been following on Twitter has mentioned that there could be some ones to watch news but see between today on Tuesday and tomorrow on Wednesday so keep a close eye out for that we might have some official new news on ones to watches or just brand new news on EA FC in general so that's something to watch out for today in the stream guys in the content will be rolling will be doing more upgrade packs I don't know who we're going to pack today but I'm going to keep crafting this 90 plus upgrade packs with the 84 and 85 times 10 that's where I'm going to rinse these cards and yeah man we're just going to keep grinding on the menus make sure you check out the second channel video today we're going to have another video with some packs so I'll link that right above right here but without further ado guys check that video out and I'll see you guys in a video tomorrow it's when they put a count and catch you guys there peace out


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Your coca-cola bottler presents Claudia based on the famous play and novels by Rose Franken Brought to you transcribed Monday through Friday by your friendly neighbor who bottles coca-cola Relax and while you're listening refresh yourself. Have a coke and now Claudia Hey, Claudia What are you standing over there to win the mooning about? I'm not mooning. I'm looking I don't see what you can be seeing out that window It's pitch black out that's it exactly. I couldn't see anything Anything as dark as this night. I'll come to bed. I'm sleepy. Mmm. Not for blanket. I sleepy, too So far away what so far away? Everything from this bedroom window. There's no other world at all He's not within sight or reach It's as if in this house. We were alone in the middle of nowhere as Jared Tucker would say Tanks, oh, thanks. Oh, thanks. Oh, it's all the same. Oh, I suppose it just feels this way because we spent last night in New York And everything's so near in New York New York if you want my opinion is claustrophobic My what a big word for a sleepy man almost woke me up saying it. Is it late? Yes, let's see. It's Past midnight midnight. It's hard to get to be so late so early What happened to ten o'clock and eleven o'clock? They went down to the corner to get a coke. I didn't even notice them going they Tiptoed out very quiet. Oh Do you suppose anybody else in Eastbrook is up and awake? Well, I'm neither up nor awake. No, I guess everybody else is asleep I just see a single light burning Quit yawning you make me yong You said before that you didn't see anything at all funny Everything far away. Oh No world at all beyond the windows David give me your hand That's better good night, darling I think I heard something Right dreaming You wasn't keeping David what are you supposed to do? You can't imagine. I guess I better get up and find out All right, all right. I'm coming. I'm coming. Don't you give a man a chance to put on these? Where is the slipper? Yeah, yeah, I'll put on the light darling. Oh It's bright. Oh my goodness. It's hot past two. I wonder who it is. What it is Last thing I remember is you're saying that everything was so far away that we can we're completely isolated from the world Daming me for the knocking on your door at this hour of the night. What's my fault? Yeah So clear David.  It's probably somebody asking for the directions to Broadway and 48th Street Or the nearest justice of the P. Then I'm certainly coming down with you Asking for directions this hour of the night. Honestly, I'll give them a piece of my mind. I will don't be too generous David put on the light before you open the door darling. I don't know I just don't know what I do without your brilliant advice is Mrs. Norton. I hope all this doesn't wait mama David can you see who it is? Just give you a queer feeling in the middle of the night. The rest of the world asleep Far out there in the dark beyond reach. Oh Sorry, I had to wake you sir It's all right What can I do for you? I'm take Stevens. I I'll live down on the other side of Eastbrook Center You've had an accident your four-heds cut it's an awful time of night, isn't it forget it come on in the house Oh, I I hid it wake you up. I'm apologizing and come on in the living room I I don't want want to disturb you. Could could I just use your phone? Of course you can but they couldn't wait What's the matter? Oh my arm Can you move it? I Don't know exactly. It's easy.  You lost control. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but David's right You you sit down right this minute. Well, I'll just call it cabin.  I Guess I do feel kind of wobbly. You bet you do No little I Guess I must have hit it against the windshield darling call dr. Barry don't no not not at this hour Don't call. I'm calling right away. Oh, it's easy. It's nothing if you just phone for a cab I'll go home and now you do what we say young man. No monkey business. Well Yours was the only house I could see and I stopped talking Try try breathing more deeply That's it. That's it. No Just just starting to feel oh Gosh, I'm dizzy Runs around Must be asleep it's still ringing. Here's the receiver I don't think it's too bad on the outside, but you can never tell sure Shot probably Dr. Barry speaking dr. Barry this is David Norton calling Trouble with the baby.   He got himself up to our house He barely smashed up. That's hard to tell doctor seems to be suffering from the shock any bleeding not much Cut on his forehead and his left arm a little headache and his shoulder pains Seems a little short-winded keep him still loosen his clothes Get him on his back. I'll be over in a few minutes. All right, and don't give him anything to drink. All right, doctor Well, dr. Barry will be over in a few minutes Good we just won't disturb him. The doctor be over now. Don't you want to go back to bed? I do not David I can't believe all this is happening. It is all right The middle of the night like this Frightening isn't it? It's so peaceful in the country. Hmm? More things happen when you expect them least Well, I guess all we can do now is wait for dr. Barry Now son take a deep breath That's right breathe Breathe How does that feel?  My elbow When I bend it dr. Barry, but you can bend it, eh? Well, it's getting stiffer sure up It'll probably get a whole lot stiffer. How's your head? Not so good.  Here you are doctor That black bag's sort of a traveling drugstore, isn't it dr. Barry?  I'm not going to hurt you How long is it since I've been taking care of you? Gosh, I I remember you since oh Well, you're practically the first person I do remember. That's no wonder.  How soon does our son start getting vaccinations and such pretty soon? Good You know, I wouldn't mind if dr. Barry were his first memory too I hope dick's gonna be all right.  Is there anything special we should do doctor? Well, I suggest that dick here get himself right into bed No more driving around tonight. What about his spending the night here?  Well, mom's away. I I was on my way back from driving her to boston But dad's home. Why don't we just call him up and Tell him what happened without worrying him and then you can spend the night with us I'll save dr. Barry a trip and we'll be sure everything's all right Dick, it's up to him. I'll prescribe.   I better call dad I wouldn't want him to worry in the morning.  Uh, the phone's out in the hall doctor around the stairs Thanks I'll oh Gee, I feel as if I played too much football or something Is there anything special I should do dr. Give him one of these pills with a hot cup of tea He'll sleep all right and wake up a whole lot more chipper in the morning Certainly relieved you came out to see him Well I've known this boy a long time and his family too Good people to stevens. Well, that's the first time we've met him. Oh one way or the other You'll meet everyone around here. How would you like something to eat before starting home? No, thanks No middle of the night snacks for me anymore But uh, well, I'm here Anybody else need medical treatment? We're all fine knock wood even the cat and the dog That's the kind of talk I like and the baby getting enormous. He looks like david There's a slight resemblance around the left ear dr. Barry. That's as far as it goes. I'll judge for myself I'm coming to call on the young man. Uh, maybe tomorrow the next day You better warn him Well, I'll be getting home. Mrs. Barry needs her sleep and she won't have any of it until I'm safe and bed myself I should think you'd be needing some sleep yourself. Dr. I learned to go without it many years ago Thanks ever so much for coming any more trouble with dick. Just call me. Well, there won't be any need. I'm sure Well, dr. Barry Now more than ever. I'm glad we settled in Eastbrook Glad you did myself. Good night. Good night Isn't it a relief darling? Everything's all right. Mm such a dark quiet night We were remote from the world all alone from the universe Aren't you ever gonna let me forget my one little excursion into poetry? The world is so far away on our doorstep Right in our house. That's living in the country Whether you're planning a handsome buffet supper or a casual informal evening with just a snack There's one thing that you can always count on to belong and that's ice cold coca-cola And that's true. Whether the guests are young or old When you speak of coke, you think at once of hospitality The easygoing enjoyable kind the kind of hospitality that lets you join your guests for the pause that refreshes Mr. King while i'm up and around Are you feeling me whole ship shape? No splinters scratches or bites? No Clean bill of health, huh fine. Mrs. Berry is waiting doctor Well, i'm on my way better get some sleep. I promise to take mrs. Berry to the movies tonight Maybe you'll see claudie and david there. Oh Why all I know claudie is planning it in the back of her mind. So Well, see you then dr. Berry. Goodbye. I'd rather good night, mr. King Every day monday through friday claudia comes to you transcribed with the best wishes of your friendly neighbor who bottles coca-cola So listen again tomorrow at the same time And now this is joe king saying olivar And remember Whoever you are whatever you do wherever you may be When you think of refreshment think of coca-cola For coca-cola makes any pause the pause that refreshes And ice cold coca-cola is everywhere This broadcast of claudia was supervised and directed by william brown maloney And now here's a word from your friendly neighbor who bottles coca-cola


Again, as to the destruction of the world by fire, it is a mistake of the vulgar either to find it difficult to believe or to disbelieve altogether that fire can suddenly fall from heaven. Who amongst the philosophers has any doubt or is ignorant that all things that are born die, that all things that are made perish, that the heavens and all that is therein as they once came into existence, will be devoured by fire, if the water of the sea or of the spring ceases to nourish them. The Stoics firmly maintain that, when the supply of moisture is exhausted, the whole world will be consumed by fire. The Epicureans also held the same opinion about the conflagration of the elements in the destruction of the world. Plato tells us that the different parts of the world are alternately overwhelmed by flood and fire, and although he asserts that the universe itself was fashioned eternal and indissoluble, he adds that it can be dissolved and ended, but only by God who created it. So it would be nothing wonderful if this vast structure should be destroyed by him who erected it. You see that the arguments of the philosophers are the same as our own, although it is not we who have followed in their footsteps, but they who have given us a shadowy imitation, a garbled truth taken from the divine predictions of the prophets. Similarly, your most famous philosophers, Pythagoras I and especially Plato, have handed down an account of the dogma of the resurrection in a corrupt and mutilated form. According to them, after the dissolution of the body, only the soul abides forever and often passes into fresh bodies. A further distortion of the truth is that the souls of men return to the bodies of the cattle, birds and beasts. Such an idea rather deserves the ridicule of a buffoon than the serious consideration of a philosopher. However, in view of the subject before us, it is enough that even in this your philosophers are in agreement with us to a certain extent, besides, who is so foolish or so stupid as to venture to dispute that, as man could originally be made by God, so he can afterwards be remade by him. That man is nothing after death, as he was nothing before birth, that as he could be born from nothing, so he can be remade from nothing. Besides, it is easier to renew what has once existed than to call it into existence. Do you believe that whenever anything is withdrawn from our own feeble eyes, it is looked upon by God as permanently lost? The body, whether it is reduced to dust, is resolved into vapor, becomes a heap of ashes, or vanishes in smoke, is no longer visible to us, but it still exists for God who preserves its elements, nor are we, as you imagine, afraid of any injury from the manner of burial, but we practice the old and better custom of interment. Consider again how, as a consolation for us, the entire kingdom of nature foreshadows the resurrection, the sun sinks and rises again, the stars disappear and return, birds die and revive, trees decay and again put forth leaves, seeds do not come up again until they rot. The body and the grave is like a tree in winter, both concealed their new life under an apparent dryness. Why are you so anxious that it should revive and return during the cruel winter? The body also has its spring, which we must wait for. I am aware that most men, conscious of what they deserve, hope rather than believe that they will not exist after death. They prefer total annihilation to resurrection with punishments to follow. Their error is aggravated by the immunity enjoyed by them in the world and by the infinite patience of God, whose judgment the slower it is, the juster it is. And yet, in the writings of the learned and the works of the poets, we are reminded of the river of fire, of the heat of the Stygian Lake, with its nine circles prepared as an eternal punishment known from the revelations of demons and the oracles of the prophets. Hence also it is that the poets represent King Jupiter himself, swearing solemnly by the burning shores of sticks and its black abyss, aware of the punishment destined for him and his votaries. He shudders. And these torments are unending and unlimited. The fire, as if endowed with intelligence, consumes and renovates men's limbs, devours and at the same time feeds them, as the lightning flash strikes the body and does not consume it, as the fires of Ytna, Vesuvius and other volcanoes burn without being exhausted, so that avenging fire does not devour the bodies on which it feeds, but is nourished by the forms which, don't mangled, are still unconsumed.  And although ignorance of God is enough to deserve punishment, just as knowledge of him is an aid to pardon, yet if we Christians be compared with you, although the training of some is inferior to yours, on the whole we shall be found far better. You prohibit adultery and yet commit it. We are born to be the husbands of our own wives alone. You punish crimes when committed, which amongst us it is a sin even to think of. You are afraid of witnesses. We are afraid of conscience alone, which is always with us. Lastly, the prisons are crowded with your followers, while they do not contain a single Christian, unless he be a renegade or one whose religion is his crime. Nor should anyone either seek consolation or excuse his lot by an appeal to fate, granting that one's lot depends on fortune, yet the mind is free, so that it is a man's action, not his position, that is judged. For what else is fate but what God has said about each of us? Since he has a foreknowledge of our character, he can also determine the destinies of individuals according to their qualities and deserts. Thus, in our case, it is not our nativity that is punished, but our natural disposition that bears the penalty. I will say no more about fate. If, in the circumstances that is not sufficient, we will discuss the matter more fully and at greater length on another occasion. Further, as to the charge that most of us are paupers, this is no shame, but our glory. For as the mind is enervated by luxury, so it is strengthened by frugality. And yet who can be poor if he wants nothing, if he does not long for what is in others, if he is rich in the sight of God? That man, rather, is poor who, though he has great possessions, desires more. But I will tell you what I think. No one can be as poor as he was born. Birds live without possessing anything of their own, cattle obtain pasture daily, and yet they are all created for our use, and we possess all if we do not desire it. Therefore, as a man, when walking, makes the greater progress the more lightly he is burdened, so in this journey of life the man who lightens his burden by poverty is happier than one who groans beneath the weight of riches. And yet, if we thought it useful, we might ask for wealth from God, certainly he to whom all belongs could grant us a share of it. But we prefer to despise wealth than to possess it. We rather desire innocence and demand patience. We would rather be virtuous than extravagant. Our consciousness and endurance of the infirmities of our human frame are no punishment, but warfare. Courage is strengthened by infirmities and calamity as frequently the school of valor. Lastly, our powers, both mental and bodily, are impaired by lack of exercise. Thus, all your heroes, whom you commend as examples, become famous and renowned through their misfortunes. And so God is neither unable to help us, nor does he disdain to do so, since he is the ruler of all and loves his people. He thoroughly examines each one in adversity, ways each man's disposition in the balance of peril, tests his character even unto death, convinced that nothing can be lost for him. Thus says gold is tried by fire, so we are tested by dangers. Chapter 37 What a beautiful sight for God to see, when the Christian wrestles with pain, braves threats, punishment and torture, scornfully derides the din at his execution and the horrible sight of the executioner, when he uplifts the banner of freedom against kings and princes, yielding to God alone, to whom he belongs, when in triumph and victorious, he mocks the judge who is pronounced to sentence against him, for he is the conqueror who has obtained what he desires. Where is the soldier who does not face danger, more boldly under the eyes of his commander, for no one obtains a reward before he has been tested? And yet a general cannot give what he does not possess, he cannot prolong life, although he can reward service, but the soldier of God is neither abandoned in trouble nor destroyed by death, thus the Christian may appear miserable, but cannot be proved so. You yourselves extoll to the skies men sorely tried by misfortune, such as Mushi's Skiwola, who, when he had made a mistake in his attempt on the king, would have perished in the midst of the enemy had he not sacrificed his right hand. And how many of our community have suffered, without a groan, the loss not only of their right hand, but the destruction of their whole body by fire, although they had it in their power to obtain their release. Need I compare men with Mushi's, Aquilus and Regulus? Why, even our lads and women, in their inspired endurance of suffering, laugh to scorn crucifixion, tortures, wild beasts and all the terrors of punishment. And you, poor wretches, you cannot understand that there is no one who would desire to undergo punishment without reason, or could endure torture without the help of God.  These unhappy men are uplifted by the hire, that their fall may be greater. They are like victims fattened for punishment or crowned for sacrifice. So it is that summer raised to the throne in absolute power, in order that, in their profligate minds, in the unrestrained exercise of their authority, may freely barter away their natural character, for without the knowledge of God what happiness can be lasting, since this is death. Like a dream it slips away before we can grasp it. Are you a king? You yourself feel as much fear as you inspire in others, however numerous your bodyguard you are left alone to face danger. Are you rich? It is dangerous to trust fortune, and great store of provisions for the brief journey of life is not a help, but a burden.  It is a vain error of man, and an empty show of rank to shine in purple, while the mind is vile. Are you blessed with noble ancestors?  But we are all born equal. It is a virtue alone that distinguishes us. So then we, whose reputation depends on our decent mode of life, rightly abstained from evil pleasures, from your processions and spectacles, which we know are derived from your religious rites and whose pernicious allurements we condemn. At the cural games who can help being horrified at the frenzy of the brawling populace, and at the gladiatorial shows at the training for murder? On the stage even there is the same frenzy, while the range of vice is even wider. At one time the actor describes or exemplifies adultery, at another an effeminate player inspires the passion he portrays. He dishonors your gods by investing them with every vice, adultery, love, sex, size, and hatred. In his pretended grief he calls forth your tears by his senseless nods and gestures. Thus in real life you clamor for a man's death. On the stage you weep at it. Chapter 38 As for our contempt for the sacrificial remains and the wine that has already been used in libations, it is no confession of fear but a declaration of true independence. For although everything that is created as being the imperishable gift of God is proof against corruption, we abstain from your offerings lest anyone may think that we acknowledge the demons to whom libations are poured, or are ashamed of our own religion. Who doubts that we are fond of the flowers of spring when we pluck the early rose, lily, and any other flower of delightful scent and color? For we use them free and loose or wear them round our necks as delicate garlands. You must excuse us for not crowning our heads. We are in the habit of inhaling the sweet perfume of a flower, not of using the back of the head or the hair as a means of conveying it, nor do we crown our dead. In regard to this I am the more surprised you are applying a torch to the one who still feels, or offering a garland to one who does not, since those who are happy need no flowers, while those who are unhappy take no pleasure in them. On the other hand we arrange our funerals as simply as our lives. We place no fading garland upon the grave, but await from God an undying crown of immortal flowers. Quiet, modest, confident in the generosity of our God we enliven the hope of future happiness by faith in his ever-present majesty. Thus we feel assured of our resurrection and blessedness and live in contemplation of the future. Now, let Socrates see to it the buffoon of Athens, who confessed that he knew nothing, although he boasted of the support of a spirit of lies. Let Archicelus, Carnades, Pyrrho, and all the host of Academians, argue the matter. Let Simonides shelve the question forever. We despise the superciliousness of the philosophers, whom we know as corruptors and adulterers, tyrants, and always ready to declaim against devices that are really their own. We do not show our wisdom in our dress, but in our heart we do not proclaim great things, but live them, and are proud of having obtained what philosophers have sought with their utmost efforts but have failed to find. Why should we be ungrateful? Why should we be dissatisfied, seeing that the truth about the Godhead has attained maturity in our times? Let us enjoy our happiness and avoid excess in our opinions. Let superstition be restrained. Let impiety be driven out. Let true religion be preserved. CHAPTER XXXIX After Octavius had finished, for some time we remained in amazed silence, with our eyes intently fixed upon him. As for myself I was lost in overwhelming admiration of the skill with which he backed up his principles, which can be more easily felt than expressed in words. By a wealth of argument, examples and quotations from authorities, at the manner in which he repelled the attacks of the ill disposed with their own weapons, namely those of the philosophers, and demonstrated that the truth was not only easy to discover, but also agreeable. CHAPTER XXXIX While I was silently turning over these things in my mind, Cecilius burst out, I congratulate my friend Octavius most heartily, but I also congratulate myself, nor need I wait for the verdict. I too, in like manner, am victorious, for even if it seems audacious, I also claim a victory. As he has gained the victory over me, so have I triumphed over error. As to the main questions, in regard to providence and God, I accept your belief. I recognize the purity of your sect, which is henceforth my own. Even now there remain certain points, which, although no obstacle to the truth, must be discussed to make my instruction complete. But, as the sun is already setting, we will deal with these points tomorrow. They will not detain us long. Since we are agreed upon the general issues— As for myself said I, I rejoice the more heartily on behalf of all of us, that Octavius has also conquered from my benefit, since I am relieved of the very disagreeable duty of giving a verdict. I cannot, however, adequately reward his merits by praising him in words. The testimony of one man by himself carries little weight. Octavius possesses an excellent gift of God, which inspired him when he spoke and assisted him to win his case. After this we retired, all three joyful and happy. Cecilius, because he believed, Octavius because he was victorious, and I myself because of the conversion of the one and the victory of the other. End of Section 6 End of Octavius by Minucius Felix, translated by John Henry Freese


Hi, this is Doug Balshaw, MoodleNet Lead here at Moodle HQ. This is UX Milestone 2 Screencast 2, and reflects work that we've been doing in July 2018 without Landish. So let's get started. In this particular screencast, we're going to be showing how you can add an alt account, an alternative account within MoodleNet. So we're going to use Jeremy as an example again. So he's going to sign in with Google and sign in with his Google account. But this time he's going to go to his profile. The last time Jeremy filled in his profile, here it is. It's got his job title and where he is and who vouched for him and followers and social accounts and communities and interests. But he's going to go and edit this profile. He can edit his main profile. But the thing we're interested in this time is creating an alternative profile, an alt profile. Now he can create an alt profile here by adding a banner image and a profile image and selecting a different name. In this case, he's going to be Alpinguino. And he's going to have a different emoji ID. These two accounts are linked together. So if there's any problems, we can tell who's who. But from a user's point of view, they can't tell that Alpinguino is Jeremy unless he tells them. So I'm going to press Save. And here it is, Alpinguino. And he hasn't got a social profile added yet. He's not part of any communities and he hasn't got any interests. So instead of going through those one by one, let's just do a quick fast forward. Here we are. It's now at some point in the future. And Alpinguino has three followers. He's got a social account connected, which is different from his main one. And he's also a member of three communities and has different interests which are specified. So he's part of the Rainbow Alliance and he's interested in LGBT rights, et cetera. So this is a different facet of Jeremy's personality which he might not want to be comfortable in sharing yet. He can comment on different people's collections and engage in conversation communities as Alpinguino just as he could as Jeremy and he can do that as he sees fit. This little question mark at the bottom is for other people on his profile to find out what an alt account is and also report any problems that you might have in case there's any kind of spam or any kinds of problems because of course we can tell at the back end that Alpinguino is Jeremy. So what do you think of this? Is this something which you'd find useful? Please do leave us comments either on this YouTube video or wherever it's embedded including on the MoodleNet blog. Thank you.


What's up everybody? Jason here for Jasper's Case Breaks.com 9 hip parade limited spots a giveaway is gonna happen here with this 2016 Optic football hangar one box break around team number 69 and again just like a normal break We'll do the break first then at the end we will randomize only the customer names and then we'll give away the nine spots of the hip parade limited break All right roll Six and a one seven times good luck One two three four five six Seven Yeah, I didn't get to see Bobby or so much Mike But I just recently started deep diving into his stats on Instagram because we're talking about him and god damn that guy I think he's still probably the dominant in this era Lemieux was also pretty awesome I mean I'd assume if Lemieux didn't have to miss some time obviously with what he had to go through He'd probably a lot higher in people's lists one two three four five six seven It's like speaking of like ex-ducks, but like Paul Korea too like I was looking at his stats Does that definitely deserves, you know deserve to be in the hall of fame even though he didn't play as much as most people But he's still average like a point or two like whatever it was a point a point or two a game Right or something like that with the stats that he did and if it wasn't for him his concussions injuries that he'd be a lot higher on people's list of Hockey legends, but I do was something else man. I Remember that one game. I think it was a playoff game He got just destroyed Right got destroyed and he know he had a concussion But it was it wasn't really a thing Right back then it was just a guy you just got your bell rung and then he came back in later and scored like two goals You know Yager to if he didn't leave to the KHL for like four years He would definitely be higher and probably would have broken Gretzky's record. I believe so as well Yeah, Rex, but you know flopping is part of the game Rex you have to you have to fake it to get the call and You know, I just think it's the man in us that wants it to go back to the way it was when people were punching each other and I mean would you really I mean realistically like what you really want to see basketball like that? It is what it is man. It's just like soccer nowadays. You have to play it out If you don't play it often the reps not gonna think it was a foul Everybody does everybody does it. I'm pretty sure every other player if they were the players in the 80s 90s whatever the case played in this era They would have to Do the same thing Like I said, I think it's just the man in us the manliness that we want to see it go back to the old days Or that's real basketball, but was it really real basketball? I mean, I don't know man People just you're basically wrestling and fighting on the court plus a lot of those bigger guys to like Because they're so big. It's just like, you know Just like the way the football holder backs get treated like Cam Newton, right to Tom Brady for instance, right?  You kind of have to fake it and if he doesn't want to say well, then that's his problem right to me Let him pretend like he's not doing it, but everybody does Probably still more soccer than anything, but all right, so you have Tyler Irving Sterling Shepard is not bad Charlie Blard like Evans Plus, we all know a little brown Jesus the liar He's he's he says a lot of things he predicts. I Knew Kobe was gonna drop 81. I was talking to teammate early before the game Kobe's gonna score like 80 points tonight. I don't know what I really said All right, here we go dice roller Names All right, here we go guys top nine get in roll it We have a six and a four ten times six and a four ten times guys one two three four five six seven eight six four ten ten top nine Michael P. Josh Smith Ryan Brian Carlos Ryan Stewart Chris Mark and Chris there you go top nine are in guys So I wasn't gonna do the second filler, but I mean it kind of was selling on its own so kind of figured we could probably sell it out with with Another straight up couple spots, so I put spots back in so we only have to do one filler guys and then we can break open this This limited football. Thank you guys


psychology is one of the most complete and reliable source of information on current developments in women's health care. What are the major editorial challenges that you or your team face and how do you maintain high standards of publication? That's a great question. I think one of the challenges is actually keeping up with standards and things that are changing because STM as a field is something that's been evolving pretty rapidly over the last 10 years. So just finding the time to keep up to date and that's a big part of my job. Keep up to date with what's going on and what's new in the field. It can be very challenging because you're also at the same time trying to make sure you're getting out this journal on a monthly basis on time. So it's quite a balancing act sometimes. Other challenges that we face, which I think a lot of people face in their jobs, is just the pace of communication is so different now with email and being able to be in contact with people all the time. I think that can be challenging as well because there is sometimes an expectation that because it's email it's something that you have to respond to right away but sometimes it's just not possible. So for me personally I think the whole email communication thing and just managing that and prioritizing that can be a personal challenge for myself oftentimes. Other challenges we have from the editorial perspective is finding good peer reviewers and peer review is an activity that is not paid and we are very grateful to all of our peer reviewers for what they do for us because they're really ensuring that what we're publishing is has gone through a rigorous test of sorts but again they're not paid. So we monitor peer reviews very carefully. We're careful not to assign things to someone too many times too often for instance we try to give them at least two months between each assignment for instance but also we just want to make sure that we're bringing in new peer reviewers. So that's one thing we've been working on for instance this year is so reaching out to different societies perhaps in different subspecialty areas that maybe not have they may not have a great representation among our reviewer pool and we've been reaching out to them to invite people to sign up to be a peer reviewer and we've gotten a nice response to that. So I think finding good peer reviewers and making sure you have a good balance is a challenge and then once we get those peer reviewers what we've done is categorize them as a new peer reviewer so they're sort of in a separate category and what we do is give them an opportunity to complete four to five reviews and then our editor in chief runs a report and she takes a look at those new reviewers and those people who have high scores and who have turned things around quickly they'll move on toward general reviewer pool. Those people who might be on the fence she might reach out to with a personal communication and give them some tips on what they might change and then there's those that we might just remove from our pool all together. So there is sort of this vetting process that we've put into place our new editor our newish editor our editor-in-chief who started in 2013 she put the student into place and I think it's a great it's worked very well so finding peer reviewers can be one of our biggest challenges.