No. Have Nambler looked into it? What is Nambler? What is that? I just feel like they're an organization. Oh, South Park, I remember. Oh, no. Well, they're not just South Park. No, I know that. Well, I think I thought they were. You would think that they belong in South Park, but it's also... Oh, yeah, I don't know that I thought they were real when I first saw the references in South Park. Now, this is pretty... So I've just seen this. Spider-Man No Way Home isn't done yet. The visual effects shots don't get delivered until next week. That seems crazy. Oh, no. Isn't it released in like two weeks from now? Yeah, I think it goes in the summer. Yes, so that means if it's getting delivered next week, it's potentially within a week of when everybody in the world is going to be able to see it, is when it's actually finished. Hey, man, down to the wire, down to the web. Yeah, I've heard that before that Spider-Man is like crunch, but for visual effects. How? Didn't it get delayed? It did get delayed, but filming also got delayed because multiverse of madness is also under crunch as well. Because I mean, they're shooting new scenes, but the film's out in like five months. And they're all shooting a small number of scenes, isn't it? Take the extra time if you need it. It's okay. I think that it's reached a point, because this is what I imagine is happening at Sony's office. We want this film out like at Christmas. And if it's not out at Christmas, then the next time it's coming out is like July. So we're getting it done now. I think I would imagine that that was the conversation that was had. Spondo is only releasing in a summer blockbuster era period or Christmas, like Star Wars. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, every Spider-Man movie has released in like either like July or Christmas. Well, not Christmas. This is the first one in Christmas, but yeah, every other one's released in July, I think. So same with Star Wars. Every film was released in like May, except for when they did those sequels and they got released in December, but they were meant to be in May. So, yeah, there's all these shenanigans when it comes to scheduling movies. Really? They were meant to be in May? Yeah, but Harrison Ford got injured, so they had to delay shooting by six months. So they delayed all of the film releases by six months for Christmas. Very interesting. Yeah, but I mean, god damn, it is pretty nuts to me that a film, like a major film, is not done yet, ready. Like, I always assumed that films were ready like pretty far ahead of when they were meant to come out, you know? Like did it? Like us naive boys thinking that. Also, Chad is not on screen yet, merely. Oh, do they have to be? Is that how this works? Have they paid enough money to be on the screen? Because that's our new Mizz business model for EFAP now. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Imagine we did that.  Oh, my gosh. And you know what? There are YouTubers that have probably done that. Yeah. Come on, Chad, they'll even do the thing.  Yeah, I saw some people being upset that I'm here because I yesterday told them all, I'm going to be streaming on my Twitch. It's going to have a good time. So you lied to them? The fuck? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah. You know, Evil comes in a lot of forms now. I mean, I'm still German, so. So another disconcerting thing I've seen related to MCU stuff. A quote from Benedict Cumberbatch of Doctor Strange. He was asked, is this your movie? To which he replied, Well, yeah, that's part of the problem. There's a lot of stuff going on in it. It's like, do I have a character arc in this? Is it working? Oh, my God. And it's bonkers. Yeah. Dude, I feel like the production line for the MCU is at the point where they don't even know what they're making. Like, I don't mean scenes or storyline. I mean, literally, like, is this for Doctor Strange, too? They're like, no, there's a spider about no way home.  Well, I mean, if any of those leaks or to be indicated, it kind of isn't his movie. It's more so Wanda's movie and also it's more so a reference factory of like, oh, look, X-Men. Oh, look, this character you recognize. Oh, look at this universe. Isn't that crazy? That's what that movie seems like. I wouldn't put it past some of this point to have like a portal scene in Avengers 5 where it's just all the franchises. I could see them being so willing to even bring back the original Fantastic Four. Get Chris Evans to play Human Torch again. Yeah, that's not even the original Fantastic Four. Oh, you could bring back that too, yeah. For the Roger Coleman ones. Yeah, no, you can bring back that too, yeah. If they're still live, I don't know. They used animated series. Yeah, hello, everybody. Evab164. Hi, how are you? Amazing. This is Christmas. Look at that cover. Isn't it freaking amazing? Oh, just, it's just, it captures it. It captures Christmas. Yes, it does. You love the icicles, the gingerbread, the snow, the even chat giving all icicles stuff. You love all the icons, the Christmas icons. Oh. I'm working on it. That's fine. It's okay. Yeah, that's fine. I was going to do a snowman, but yours is, you've got one. There's a snowman. No, my deal. My ace in the hole. I feel like you can still be a snowman. We could be snow bros. We could, but I think a level of variety. Give each other snow jobs. No. No. I didn't consent. Look at Rags in his little Christmas suit. Yeah. We did this in the discord and I thought it was wonderful, so I used it. Nice. Yeah, we haven't been. EFAP hasn't been live for two weeks now, I think. Yeah, not. Yeah, that's been a while. The other thing is, chat, get this. There are two complete EFAPs that have been recorded that are ready to go, but it's got to fit them in the timeline correctly. Another meme FAP has been completed and a whole EFAP that will release soon enough on a particular timeline to match a thing. Anyway, I can't wait to see how everyone reacted to that one. Yeah. It's all done. I don't even know what happened. I just want to say that much so that chat will be like, what are they talking about? I better not miss it. Memephaps don't count. That is racism right there, Mr. Self Destruction. That's not true. You don't count. Memephaps a lot and I think they get unfairly attacked. Disproportionately, you might say. It takes still time to do.  We still got, you know, all the is it okay? No. No, but I've seen someone else praise the hell out of that show so I'm going to have to see that soon. Have you seen arcades? No! People are talking about this new TV show. A new movie today just came out in Australia. I talked about the brand new movie yesterday with Ringy. It's always 60 years old.  Relatively speaking, compared to the existence of the universe. Like, you know, Jesus is old. Cosmic timeline, it's very new. Really new. Oh, just shiny. It ain't arcane. There's going to be some people talking about it. It ain't the dark night. It ain't yo-yos. No, we don't really have invincible. No, I still haven't seen that. No, I don't want to watch that. I don't care. Anyway, yeah, because, you know, we got to get going. I don't know how much time I have today hopefully enough to get the whole fapping done. I can't promise. Which means we should dive right in. The format today is going to be about what we thought we'd do each. And then we will talk about the movie from start to finish. Probably take about two hours maybe. We don't want to turn too long. And then we're going to respond to a video that has been received in a controversial way regarding the fatal flaw of the movie. I'll be very interested to know what the video would posit in such a degree. But before that, you know, how's everybody doing, guys? Nice to see you. I'm doing okay. I'm doing alright. It's Christmas time. We're in the Christmas month. It's amazing. It's been really warm here. I guess for Fringy, allegedly, in Australia during their winter, it's like warm. Which is, that's hot. I mean, let's be fair, if you did more reason to not believe that place exists. I know, right? The simple basic details, I don't get right.  Yeah, really. You got to double-check this kind of thing. But when I mean, that's just basic world-building of the failure of that. But here, it's like t-shirt weather outside. It's been crazy how warm it is. That's pretty cold here in German land. Roundabout, perfect. Well, so, fortunately, it ain't hell yet and I think it might not be because of weather systems. This might be a cool summer compared to what it could be. I like the idea that you guys, instead of a thermometer, you just have this thing that detects weather or not, it's hell. It's a binary. The red light turns over and it's hell now.  Please stay inside. Oh, man. Nice. Crimbus time. Work is getting slower for me. That's nice. And I have like two more weeks of work, which I'm looking very much forward to. Yeah. Do you guys just want to get into this? Well, I guess we can. We'll do our classic. We'll open with individual overall perspectives of the movie. I would be curious. I would like to go last if that's all good because I'm very curious to hear what else is thought first. And I do you want to go? Who wants to go first? I'll just go left to right. But you go last, I guess. Well, we can go right to left. We'll go right to left and I'll switch. I can last. Right to left would be you first, right? Well, we can go right to left, but I can go last. But I'm going last. We can go. We'll go top to bottom. Okay, top to bottom. Okay. Bias should be last, but let me see. I really liked it. I hadn't been to a theater in since the rise of Skywalker. And so it was really nice to be back in that sort of setting to be mansion on the popcorn to be sitting in the we had nice seats in the place we went to to have the the noises and the big screen and to just have that kind of environment. And I think that this is a movie that really is helped greatly by being in a theater. This is definitely a theater movie, I think. There's a lot of big scale stuff that happens. The music is good at setting tone and sort of ambience I feel. But overall, I really liked it. I really liked the acting. I thought the pacing was pretty good considering how long it was. Though one place stands out in particular, but I really enjoyed looking at the aesthetics of this world and the design and seeing the places and hearing characters talk to each other. I was really kind of impressed with the whole thing. So we can go from there. Overall good then? Overall, yeah, yeah. All right. I guess, Fringio Mello if you want to go. Sure. The voice. Come back, okay. Right, yeah. Well, I really liked the visuals. They were really, really nice. I did not see it in the cinema, unfortunately. But yeah, I like the costumes. I like the whole visuals. I like the technology they show. It's pretty neat and interesting. All the factions are very easily distinguishable like they have different suits, different armor with different colors that match their their traits from the respective factions. I really like the ship designs. But personally I found that movie to be a bit of a drag. I wasn't super invested in it. I like the characters as well. Pretty much every character interaction I liked. I could totally buy that they all have known each other for a long time especially like in the House of Atreus. I got the feeling they all like each other and are pretty familiar with each other and care about each other. But I have a hard time judging if I like it or not on its own. I think I need to see what comes next to tell you exactly what it felt like because it felt like a really long intro to the rest of it. Fine name. Sorry Rex. When I watched the film I I had the feeling like oh that was cool but there's something wrong here. That was kind of my feeling when I walked out of the cinema. I think it was because the cool was this is a really cool world. I like the ships. I like the designs of the machinery. I like the idea of these competing factions and this planet. It sounds amazing. On a production standpoint this film is excellent. But I don't quite know how I feel about it yet. The main concerns I think I have is that it is pretty obvious that this film is like not a complete story. It seems to me like this film is so it seems to me like this film is because I know the book has been split and so the second film is going to be the rest of the book. You look at this film and it feels like basically the whole movie is all about act one. When we hit the end the story is going to begin now. Everything we've seen was essentially the introduction the build up to the inciting incident and then the story is going to happen. I guess that's that's fine. As a choice I suppose it just means that how I feel about the movie overall may well be entirely contingent on that next film. But even what's here I think the characters are fine but I'm not sure that I would say that they're much better than that. I guess I'm kind of invested but I don't know that there's anything that I find particularly remarkable about the character writing and in terms of like the plot and certain aspects of the way that the world works I got some serious questions about how it all functions so right now I'm not sure what I think yet. I did think it was cool and I enjoyed it as an experience watching it but yeah I don't know yet we'll find out by talking about it. Very well. For those in chat who've seen enough of RealDVC and OpenBar you'll know all I've said is that I thought it was good, I enjoyed it a whole bunch and I've talked specifically about certain praises I have for the film which will probably bring up in these conversations. I've seen it four times I think it was my first time through I really really had a lot of fun I know right I was very entranced by the world, thought it was really cool I was very upset when it ended because I was like oh no that's the end of this that's the content is done I have to wait now two years or whatever before I get more and just had fun with a bunch of things but you know how it goes the whole brain was like what did I like? I definitely liked all the performances I thought this film was very well casted I just loved the look of everything the feel, I was not bored I was not as a lot of people say with the pacing I was fine with it, I was just absorbing everything that was happening and then my brain was like what about that thing though and I was like yeah that's not a thing I understand but that's fine and then it was like what about that other thing and I was like brain what are we doing and I was like what about that other thing and I was like okay alright and so upon completing it the second time I was like hmmm hmmm I'm not sure what I would rate this film in terms of how well it's written and I will be saying a couple of things today that are probably going to annoy everybody that I liked this film a whole bunch before saying all the things that I was picking up I couldn't possibly settle on any kind of number or word to rate this film just yet I feel like if we go through it over this next while we'll be able to be a bit more definitive but you know how it works here precious EFAP audience zero reference to the book and how well this adaptation is written and if there are questions that are answered in the book this doesn't get that benefit anymore than Star Wars does and you're dealing with at least three people who've not read the book and I personally knew fuck all about doing story like at all I just... I played the RTS back in the day that's all I have had so yeah be afraid be very afraid I'm more than happy for us to go through chrono geologically and just chat about how everything goes because there's going to be at least one person in chat who hasn't seen this film we'll give them the way it works and then we'll go from there I'm just going to reconnect and just go through it because I'm roboting a little bit there he goes now he's back I'm not forgotten I'm seeing a lot of mixed things in chat too in terms of what people think of this movie seeing a lot of it's boring which we're going to try to do our best to not simply say that alright like I said I didn't find it boring but I understand people finding this boring yeah I can understand why people would say that I don't understand why people would say Van Helsing is boring but you're a nostalgia critic that's bullshit claim those people are wrong I don't understand that there is no excuse so yeah I don't know I guess we'll start it's like the film opens and we immediately get exposition naturally I feel like a film like this is pretty much always going to have some form of intro exposition be it the title cruel or someone describing something to somebody or they're just describing it to us um but they're like there's a planet Arrakis it's got spice and this is again this is for people who have no idea what Dune is and didn't even see this film right so it's sci-fi set in like the year 10100 or something um there are families and uh it's planets across a whole universe and the emperor controls everything and delineates all these different aspects different houses and there's this one planet called Arrakis or Dune I think both of those names for the planet Arrakis is the name of the planet but I'm not sure if it's officially called I don't even think it's the fat guy does call it he says it's my Dune yeah the fat guy big chungus some people saying Dune is the nickname yeah Dune is the empire's name for it there you go but yeah it's got spice on it which is like a how do you describe spice not what it does but what it is it seems to be some kind of sand like material lighter version of sand in a way yeah it's like a very light um it's like um spice almost I mean it acts essentially like a power understanding of spice in terms of its physical characteristics it's very light it's like dust sort of yeah and it's real valuable you have to mine it process it from the sand sort of I think and the thing Arrakis is filled with the native people that are the Fremen and who are practically characterised by being ruthless and violent and greedy yeah and they and so we're shown right at the beginning like what happens when they try and spice mine and the two factions will battle each other while that's happening and you can only do it at I think at night because it's too hot during the day for the Harkindons I think that's the idea yeah because what we find out later is people have to wear them and do pursuits to maintain like moisture still suits are called or what they call them yeah still suits and they were saying that the intro just says like we really we couldn't push them back but they were forced to leave by the emperor and then who will be our next oppressors that's like the opening you're like alrighty then which again you know just normal story stuff you got a lot of information to get across to us you do wonder though like what is the limit for an intro like description of events or the situation I don't know I don't know if I could really say for certain I think you can get away with a whole lot if you make it very interesting and entertaining like it's a story in a story like Lord of the Rings kind of yeah exactly like Lord of the Rings where you're you can introduce a lot about the world and the important stuff while also telling this sort of inner story the Fremen are colonizers not natives Josh Brolin's character describes going native they're the natives they're considered the natives well so if they mean like they were the first people to be there ever then I don't know what like the definition means of being a native of place at that point that's what I'm saying because they're like like the only place where humans were native was a very specific section of Africa so like but that's not how we use the word if you were the first people there I think they're the first there and they're the one who traditionally have lived there yeah so the Fremen would be like the natives of the planet yeah I know yeah then good old Paul wakes up our main character and we don't really waste any time he gets to the breakfast table and his mum is like hey you want some water and he's like yeah and then he's like gotta use the voice and again as someone who knows nothing about doing it all I was like the fuck people were expecting like a funny noise give me the water mom you're like oh jays okay fine god the voice is just so annoying that people will do anything you want just to make it stop fine I'll do it just stop it mom give me the water just take it take it fucking hell jeez I'd say it's pretty much one to one with Jedi mind trick feels that way yeah but maybe that's where because Dune was pretty influential on like basically the science fiction that followed us I'm just trying to explain it to anybody who doesn't understand like that's how it works basically there's a kind of magic system in this you have witches and there's some kind of a like a psychic power that can be utilized depending on who you are but it's it's sort of ill defined there's a few things that it can do some people who can use this magic can see the future see it to the future to certain degrees they can use this voice to command people to do things but it sort of exists out there yeah and you got to get the tone right is what she says I don't know if it's like matching the speaker's voice or the person you're trying to control's voice or something but the point is just that it's hard to master um and she says Ben a Jeserit skills take years to learn Paul and if you watch the scene pretty sure that's an 80 odd line I'm assuming just so they can get that word out there is straight away so that we can at least have it in our heads because it gets repeated a couple times Ben a Jeserit is a very strange like what is that there's so much for them to establish though I don't necessarily blame them for having some lines that are a bit chunky with words so yeah then he's just having to sit down in his room and it's like he's listening to just little infomercialy thing where it's like Arrakis is hot Sam storms they hurt Fremen have suits to protect them from stuff on Arrakis they live with the worms extended spice exposure gives you blue eyes the Fremen are dangerous they're unreliable spice isn't a hallucinogen spice is used to travel through the stars well across the universe I guess and it's the most valuable substance in the universe it was at this point when I first watched I was already like pulling my collar like okay guys you could try a little bit harder getting me this information I was about to ask because even the first time I was like man really this is kind of I mean like I don't know if I like it I don't know if I like it as an expedition dump like especially after we just got the intro scene and then we just listened to him I guess listening to a thing describe it all schooling or something so I I wouldn't even call it I don't know if I want to call it bad I was just kind of lame as issues go for me it's lower level but it's still like yeah you could have tried a little harder at least they frame it in the sense of Paul is learning about the place where he's going to be going at least there's some reason for it it's not just out of nowhere in a sense it's not like two characters talk yeah at least it's not two characters telling each other things they already both know yeah yeah that would that would be bad just flat out because characters are talking about something that they shouldn't I guess it's just that this is this is like the easy way to do it is to just have the information relayed very clinically you know in the same way that I would want to learn about something if I wanted to learn it properly instead of having it revealed through conversation how important spices or other aspects of where it comes from just yeah and to be fair I'm more than willing to believe it because it's all fantasy aspects but just like being told spices and a hallucinogen that people enjoy also it can let you travel through the universe like what oh well I mean is that people huff like petrol when that helps you drive your car so I guess I could I could see it's unusual I think it's unusual because we don't think of because they use spice and it looks like spice and it has the physical properties of spice but they're also like also it enables interstellar travel it's just yeah I can like I said I wouldn't even need necessarily the fantasy aspect to believe it but with that it's it's rock solid at that point but I it just it just came across as almost all I was like oh that oh okay it's like that is that shit that planet is valuable as fuck at that point yeah so then yeah I think he has some visions and he keeps seeing spider-man's girlfriend and it's like damn we're getting multi-verse stuff already geez I didn't want to say it but you did already immediately I'm good now now I have no say it all the time um yeah let me have like a ceremony where the emperor's ship has arrived at um which is the atreides family's planet yep to officially say that because this is the this is the drama that we get into straight away which is just that arachis because this is going to get difficult for anyone listening without much context yeah dune the control of dune has been taken from the harkinans and is being given to the atreides house which on I was going to say which on his face you might just be like okay that is incredibly controversial for this universe um because the harkinans have had the planet fucking ages it's a really great place for them to make loads of money and get loads of power both houses see this as a move like a chess move by the emperor to stop fucking things up um but through loyalty they are going to accept this uh request uh were you going to say something about it for me or oh what you you've just said it basically whoever controls arachis that is incredibly significant in this world yeah because you basically have sole control over the resource that is necessary for this whole world to function um it's a big deal once the control of dune does shift over decades the harkinans lost control due to the low output well the way it's treated in this film is that the harkinans have had it for ages and losing it makes them very angry 80 years pretty sure they also say they made more money than the empire itself so I think they're doing pretty well in the canon of this movie well the harkinans are doing really well and so the problem for the emperor according to this movie with both houses is the harkinans are getting very very rich and the atreides are getting very very popular um and so this move is supposed to I assume when we watch the future movies do damage to both houses from the emper's POV yeah um we can talk more about that as we go though but I'm just trying to make sure the pieces are in place good ol oscarisic fresh out of star wars jumping into this movie now this would have been filmed when would this when would dune have been filmed 2019 they really would have just like been done with maybe a presser ticket for rises oh my god I can do a movie now yay yeah he signs with his little signet ring which has a level of significance feel like it's worth pointing that out and he's making sure his son is watching him because it's all very honourable you know it's like houses to atreides will accept this request oh no rags just said he's lost power oh no battery well hopefully he can return at some point because that means he's completely wiped out I fucking hate losing power because I don't that often no that's bullshit said I should get one of those you can buy like a little pack that gives you like 20 minutes of energy before shut off as a backup it's like that's a good idea I think that would be a good idea for you yeah I should get one that's like a day those things are like really expensive because you use them normally for like server racks and shit mm-hmm alrighty and yeah so that's completed and then yeah I think we meet Duncan Idaho played by the wonderful Aquaman it's funny he's um he's got his Aquaman charm in this film like yeah yeah and he's just like he's just gonna have that in all of his roles isn't he yeah I think he's just a chill dude yeah I think he's said to president of Aquaman as well it's like yeah Aquaman funny lad he's a bit of a dude but then he doesn't have a beer player on looks weird and I think we get it it is weird to see him without a beer we get our one joke in the film question mark because I know that there was an article being like there was only one joke in the whole movie where which is fine with me by the way you don't have to have jokes holy shit yeah um people are getting upset that there weren't that many like jokes or funny moments in this film I don't care it depends on what the movies try to go for it's funny on one hand people always say oh Marvel there's like only jokes and then when there's no jokes in here it's like so what I can't watch a movie if there's no jokes there's a whole genre for you you can watch it's called comedy someone said there was the spit joke was that a joke or was that just he spits and then they're like outrage and then they're like thank you for your moisture I guess you could say that's funny yeah it was kind of awkward because they didn't know about it I like the the interaction between those two in this scene totally by that they have been knowing each other for a long time it feels like Duncan's some kind of uncle that's chill yeah and then yeah the line specifically I think is like oh you've been working out and he goes oh wow really does it feel that way? no it's delivered so quickly and yeah Duncan he had a vision that Duncan is going to go to the Fremen and he's going to die and he's like please take me with you I'll be there and I'll save you and he was like nah I'll get fucking court marshaled or whatever if I did that crazy boy but also bye bye I'll see you in Arrakis yeah we're like it's Jason Momoa he's not gonna get killed like that he's gonna be in the whole movie doing cool things alrighty which pushes us to a scene where papa and son have a chatty with each other yeah Arrakis is trying to sort this problem out I don't know what else we can do but move on you know and virtually though it would have been really awkward if this had happened like Temmest before we started because then I'd be like what the fuck do we do now yeah we would tell everybody in chat you know what go home let's stay here you can go home whatever take your popcorn away it was okay I'm painful that yeah so leto atreides right that's his name and Paul they're having a chat Paul basically saying dad I don't want to do what you're doing I'll be king whatever and he's like bro what's the line something like like people aren't like born leaders great men are called an answer yeah yeah but the thing is he finds your way as I did yeah and he says even if your answer is no then you'll be everything I wanted you to be my son I was like oh okay I love this guy yeah he's he's alright well I mean you know because it's not like it's spoilers at all but I would be curious what everyone's picks are but he was my favorite in the movie Isaac I did like him yeah he was awesome we'll get more on that as we go but yes he sees he's like it's okay you can you can do whatever you want I wanted to be a pilot I was crazy too which is a good line because it'll feed right into him piloting later which will okay that won't come across as any kind of jarring you know um then we move into the what you could call better exposition but still I have issues with it for more information about combat in this world the scene is our lad is just doing some training with Josh Brolin who's like the best guy with weaponry and like all of House of Trades and possibly the universe the way that some people talk about him yeah and so yeah and we find out quickly everyone has personal shields that the way they work is anything that's fast will get blocked anything that's slow will not and there's a really awkward line where I think they're fighting and Josh Brolin goes the slow blade penetrates the shield it's like how the fuck wouldn't he know that right by now like that's just one of the most good that you said that I suppose and yeah it's quite well done visually like it's always blue if the shields deflecting something it goes red it's probably going slow enough for it to go in um so wanna talk about the shields now or later I don't know when the better time to talk about them will be maybe once we have more references probably during the big fight alright we will save the shield discussion for the big fight alright chat calm down I'm sure there's plenty of people in chat right now who are like I love those shields oh those shields are dumb you all have a fight we'll get there later yeah alright sorry so then we get the bed of Jezera no wait we well Harkin in scene first where Dave Batista is like this is an insult this is ridiculous I want dude and then Barron Harkin and is like the emperor is a greedy man or something and this dude was not given to the house of tradies out of love jealous and powerful man something like that yeah the implication of course being that this isn't something house Harkin should be too upset by at least at first there may be more to it it's like ooo interesting and then Paul's woken up given a once over by the doctor who also tells him the bed of Jezera they kind of do their own stuff it's like when I was first watching I don't know about you guys the fuck is the bed it's too much to deal with right now it's a weird cult of women do magical stuff they also use three different languages in this scene like the sign language I don't know the doctor moon language I don't know what that one was and then the normal English it's like look we have all these languages we can use oh okay I could understand it because I'm multilingual no because it's subtitles I also speak long well that's cheating it's like all the languages combined so that's not fair um so yeah I try to make people appreciate how when you just have zero context for this stuff how bizarre this is to see but what you see is your main character is like there's some old lady today and he walks into the room and she does the voice on him to the point where he's dragged right in front of her and then she's like put your hand in this box of pain and if you struggle too much I'll stab you with something that kills you straight away it's funny how it sounds but that's exactly what it is and I was like what in the world is happening oh look how the fuck did we get here it's such a funny dialogue I think but he just asked what's in the box and she just says pain pull out TLGA you're like oh my god but um man you're left with a concern though it's like man Paul is like really important you got to kill him you say that like it's so imagine the consequences he just kills him he is a he is an important person very important yeah by the way before you go too far there was like I think a fart sound it sounded like a legit fart when they were fighting I don't know if you want to go back and check it out I listened back to it twice I'm almost certain someone farted during that fight I'm going to be honest I'm not too concerned about confirming if this is a fart that's really amusing that is very amusing um I listened back to it like two or three times then we were like a let people in chat do it confirm it 1655 I have a timestamp oh 1655 do 54 just to be sure I don't know if it was my file baby but I it sounded like a fart my 1655 they're not even fighting they're just talking let it run for like one or two seconds I think it's very shortly after after rolling down I guess I'm on the move today no that's just the sound of their shields it's going I legit thought it was a fart sound it's supposed to sound cool bro you're making it sound all layman farty how could you do it in that one moment it sounded like a fart and I laughed it's child ringing it's ridiculous you didn't I watched it on my own I watched it with you today not today not today Zerg I better mute it again so yeah again for people who are like so old lady in room he walks in she's like put your hand in the box of pain if you can't handle it I'll kill you very bizarre circumstances and I just wondered like is this actually real is this happening if she kills him because he's like the son of house okay but yeah he struggles for a bit has some flashes of visions and then he nails it and we find out yes that's one of them I think I've heard of that dune quote for a while just like the spice must flow yeah what's in the box lie you're a fucking liar you're a liar he's lying to you so we get another bulk exposition moment for the Ben & Jesuits because again this film is just having a little bit of trouble trying to figure out ways to tell us stuff so in a way so old lady is now talking to Paul's mum because Paul successfully got through that um little test she's like you've been training him in the way did you think the mum was like did you have to go that far and then she's like well you chose to train him you had to be tested you were told to be only daughters and yet you and your pride thought you could raise some shit what a strange thing to say considering Paul is already an adult it's so weird Norquord to listen to it makes me think like if there was a movie called EFAB we're starting it from now in our continuity if you will and the first episode is hello everybody man it feels amazing we've been doing this for three years and two months or whatever springy isn't it weird because we met it exactly this day and it's been oh mel we were back in 2015 it's just like what the fuck why is he and yeah just being like you you were told to be daughters not a son just like why are we doing this conversation now cause I'm seeing people say that Paul's like 15 16 doesn't change anything like it's still he's been alive for a while and this is a weird thing to say about somebody who's whose existence like has been a thing for a while like to just be like man he's chastising it how do you have this conversation yet you know I don't know you've been late so let's go away someone said you do this very often actually well so I do actually point out like little connections and stuff and histories here and there but what I just highlighted I've never done where I just do it all in a row and very clunkily it's just like to the point where the fellow cast members would stop pointing it out they'd be like um you sound like a fucking idiot idiot by the way when he's hang on Ben and Jeserit have a breeding program they can choose the gender of their child it's like that doesn't address anything I've noticed a few things that haven't had anything to do with the things that we've said so I look forward to the conversation about the shields to be as specific as possible she's pointing out like wow you had a son where we told you to have daughters it's like yes that's been the case now for over 15 years for over 15 years unless she just didn't know or she's just restating it because of the noise here in which case that's just dialogue I'm not a huge fan of she's restating it while she's just so happy to be watching this story unfold it's a little odd another thing we're highlighting a couple instances throughout so far of exposition being like it's just one of my major issues with the film so I just want to make sure we're flagging them as they come up any individual instance is mostly fine when you see a lot of them you're just like that's a shame but as problems go it's very low scale anyway Mel what are you going to say when he's holding his hand in the pain box we see the mother in front of the door being like in pain quote unquote as well when I was talking about it on my stream like some people thought she maybe was helping Paul with getting through the pain I'm not sure I've seen people say that's what was happening that she's trying to like take some of it for him I don't know if that's what was happening or not I don't know if she was just sort of freaking out yeah because she knows the pain because she probably did that test as well I'm guessing I look at a lot of people in chat like no no she wasn't no it was like I don't know I'm asking it's not clear what's happening you can't tell just from the movie yeah because she was just like yeah I don't know what the extent of these Ben and Jeserite powers are I don't know I couldn't say for sure that's all oh yeah and Paul heard the conversation because he was just standing I thought that was kind of funny she just walks back and he's just like I was listening to all that by the way he's like wow and then you get another awkward line where he's like I think he says something about Ben and Jeserite and she's like you don't know things about them he's like you steer the politics of the Imperium from the shadows I know another just slump yep all right that's more information we needed but was delivered in a very just okay and then she says we've carefully crossed bloodlines to bring forth a mind powerful enough to bridge space and time past and future to bring us a better future when I heard that one I was like fucking hell what are we doing elegant like an actual sentence is one of those ones where I'm just like what did I hear that again this is like it's not going to make sense for you again you're like okay I'm not questioning that it would make sense for her to say this I just don't think it was a very well done line yeah I don't know what that any of that means but okay um yeah and then they leave that's pretty nice and chill that's pretty great uh where are we next what is the next thing that happens lots of visuals I'm kind of skipping past you but I don't mean I think we're just going to do now I think so yeah and they all have like armor suits I want to want to flag that up too because I'm going to bring that up later I like I kind of like the look of them even though they're like I was minimalist I guess yeah I like it with music which is nice you have seen a lot of people complain about the bagpipe music I have no problem with it I mean I was one of the few people who have to see the film praise the soundtrack and a lot of people were like wait you like the soundtrack and I was like yeah really cool like like that thing that was awesome listen to it as well a couple of times on YouTube just the full set from on Zimmer and I was just like yeah I like this soundtrack I was a surprise I didn't expect to see any bagpipes in this movie and they just go out with bagpipes like oh okay that's cool but a lot of people say they're very jarring or they just don't seem like they fit and I don't know what else happens in music discussions where I'm just like I thought it was fine I think the bagpipe thing is just could you see like an official things in reality where you have like a bagpipes playing or some instrument or a horn uh yeah I'm problem with it why did someone write you wrong before you said anything nah that happens that happens a lot here you started your sentence and it just popped up I was like why what wrong wrong um so they arrive at Arrakis and they even being welcomed but there's a dude who's like a that's just left over from the Harkins who forced them to be like happy and welcoming whenever they arrive and stuff like oh that's sad um yeah and they're all just like setting up and I suppose and it's kind of nuts because at this point we're almost 40 minutes into the film yeah if we just arrived it's just pretty crazy so this is the difference between me and I guess some other people some people I know would say like fucking nothing has happened this is so poorly paced meanwhile I was like oh god 40 minutes has gone by damn that was quick so I you know I mean I think it depends on because I said earlier that it's like I think the film is like act one but again the whole act break stuff that's like you know there's it's not all stories are adhering to that kind of structure and we've had a bunch of information we've had stuff happening um I I guess I because I haven't read the book so I didn't know how long it would take for them to go there um yeah I I don't know I was interested in the stuff that was happening um oh man the writers said apparently there was a car accident that was taken out of power pole and so his area is just out of electricity for now that sucks that does suck damn sorry to hear it doggo first crimbus e-fap um and yeah I have no idea what the timeline is for getting something like that fixed yeah no clue hmm that face um I've seen someone mention it in in chat let's see how fast along this conversation will be um I know the YMS is probably the spearhead in terms of creators to criticize this so we can open with with his thing I think it was him anyway but he reckons the dragonfly ships are dumb as fuck and wouldn't they wouldn't work mechanically um some people in chat have said this uh I just I feel like I don't know enough about engineering to be able to say anything confidently about that I think my thought when I was watching the film and I didn't think this at first when I saw them it was during the sandstorm scene later when they had a close-up on them it's like man a lot of moving parts um man like I don't know if I'd want that many moving parts like on my on my uh flying machine especially if it's the future and we have like VTOL tech and stuff you know we've got we've got thrusters and hover tech in this world so it's pretty strange to see something so very mechanical um as for whether or not they'd work you get a little bit of excuse because this is sci-fi so whatever if you come up with you can assume they have materials or engineering that account for that I don't know no spaceships would work in reality we have spaceships the fuck do they mean no spaceships work in reality we have spaceships we did that already we've done that um but I don't know that it's not worth having a little bit of it say for example you know like hyperdrive or something so we talk about that realistically and if you go well it's just sci-fi it's like well you can open that conversation if you want to um I guess it's the whole thing of like there are certain elements right faster than light travel that man like I'm not sure I think we don't know if that's possible right now but then just like well we don't have that we can't do our planet hopping stories we need to get people to these places quicker than this probably possible and it's just like okay yeah we figured it out um yeah and uh I'm not gonna be bringing up these things it's like ah this is a huge vlog as well but I just I'm curious about people's thoughts on the design because I know a lot of people think they're done as fuck I think they look cool I think they look awesome um but I I'll be completely honest I didn't think about if they work or not I just so I was like oh that's neat I like how they look and then I stopped thinking about it but I guess when you I don't know if they work like if they would work even in this universe as a free accelerator so many moving parts and they connect to these little tiny things yeah and if you like at this point you can just use a helicopter and it will be much more useful you do one really like that yeah I guess I guess the thing that I was thinking is like on a sand planet in particular it's like is there any concern about sand getting into there and messing with those parts well that doesn't happen especially well yeah I mean that that was why I was thinking about it but also like you know when that thing touches down it's gonna be shooting sand all over the place it's like I guess there's no avoiding that but maybe if you have like thrusters it's just not um it's not gonna be as much of a concern um yeah you know there's them obviously what it's evoking and it's just it looks kind of neat to me but I don't have much thoughts beyond that I know some people would want to take it further and be like no that technology is retarded and it's like maybe I'd have to be convinced I'm not I'm not I don't know enough about how like helicopters and stuff and things like that work to give an argument for whether it would work I said helicopter doesn't be reliable bullshit as well like it's probably shit too maybe even worse I don't fucking know I would need to look up so many mechanical things I don't know shit about that yeah I don't have no idea that would be actual nitpicking it's like I don't know I don't know I don't know enough about it to say I just know that um you can get different criticisms like that can definitely exist about like mechanical elements to technology I don't have a problem with that um so yeah we're trying to settle in good ol uh I'd better say Jason Isaacs Oscar Isaac is talking with good ol Josh Brolin the Moon Knight and Thanos are talking about the place and how it's doing it's doing great again not really he basically says like they need to secure particular areas to have any chance of sustaining this place because the job is set now we're in crunch time already in terms of getting this to work and he wants to for the honor of his house but also to approve that this is something that he can um achieve it's like alrighty um and yeah when you get to this point in the movie I'd say it's like I guess that is the movie then we're going to be trying watching House of Trades try to make use of uh dune in a sense I guess that's not quite what the story is going to be um so then we get a scene of a bunch of house maids sort of auditioning and the mom being like hey you everyone else leave you you're holding a weapon there aren't ya and she's like no maybe that she's like well whatever you're hiding there isn't going to be enough it's like alrighty what if it's a gun it's just sort of face um um so I don't really know how to summarize this scene better than saying she pulls out the knife it's a called a crisp knife it's made of like the tooth of sand worms it's real sharp and the lady starts going blah blah blah blah blah blah um and says like prophecy or whatever or she's getting all excited because this is apparently following a prophecy of some kind it's like ok ok ok ok you got it anyway moving on yeah let me see Paul is just chilling outside and he sees uh the palm tree man giving water to them palm trees like these palm trees they can they take the water needed to like sustain five men every day or something like that um and Paul is like oh so should we come down then save the water and he's like no no no they're sacred like alright I think that's all we get and then they get burned later that's all we get with those yeah until baby's the second movie I don't know yeah I was very confused by the scene you on the second watch was like why do we why are we talking about the trees I don't get it I guess it's just uh info about the place that's that's all I got like I don't ironically remember enjoying the scene but then on like future watchers I was just like I'm not sure for exactly um other than a stat like making it like Paul takes an interest in the average goings on of the world you've got they treat palm trees very well these at least these ones very sacredly it's like it it's not like a problem I just wonder that um we're on a tight time budget with something like dude and you're gonna want to take every advantage of it meanwhile if this were a season like a 10 episode season I don't know that I would find any problem with this at all in terms of um making you see a time yeah yeah but um yeah I'm not sure world building I guess I mean to some degree you can draw something out of it he mentions that the um the Fremen are there and they're uh very used to the point of the sun's the point they don't even care about heat stroke or something like that then then we get what I would say is the first scene where things start to not line up for me um so he's watching another fucking tv show about things he's gonna need to know later and things we need to know sandwims are real big you gotta do a special little walkie dance to avoid them and there's very little life uh in Arrakis but of what is there it's cultivated kind of by the fremen like okay um but yeah it's like you gotta find another way of giving us information movie because it's getting lame but that's fine then a tiny droid burns a hole through his wall that's a thick wall by the way and I was like what the fuck what is going on here and um it's looking around and he like realizes his shield is on the table it's not with him so he's getting stressed and like when I was watching this I was like oh shit is he like are we is he close is this life in danger okay but I didn't really understand what was happening here the thing drives right up to his eye but doesn't stab him because I think we're supposed to assume by him standing in the paused part of the tv show thing it's confusing the droid on what exactly it's looking at yeah and then the housekeeper walks in and it distracts the droid to the point where it goes to stab him straight away but he grabs it before it can and saves it he grabs it I have many questions first of all it has a controller is what we discover what is the view from the controller yes I don't know all we get is that that guy that is controlling it has been in there for six weeks they fucking put him in the wall for six weeks and somehow we control him through the water pipes or something I shouldn't have written down the dialogue because it was super weird everybody is saying it's based on movement and it's not piloted but I don't know that there's anything in the film that tells us that it looks very much like it's piloted from what the film shows he's got like a little VR set and if it doesn't need a pilot why would they put someone in the wall for six weeks I guess so that he can launch it I don't know he pissed and shit in that wall by the way I'm guessing so can you see he's got a little like mask on and then wires looks to me like he's controlling it right a lot of people saying that's not how it works though so this is going to be really awkward chat but if you're drawing that from the book bye bye it gets flushed out of the toilet I'm afraid I feel like if this is the only content for doing that exists at all it will be said like yeah it looks like it's remote controlled I guess I don't know why we would conclude anything else um cause I don't remember any dialogue saying that too so I was like how the fuck did it screw up so badly like what was the view on the hunter killer that it could look around the room but it couldn't see pole properly it's like and pole's moving by the way like people saying it detects movement it breaks through the wall and by the way it's pretty hard to see and hear but he does catch on luckily the show wasn't too loud but yeah he's standing still while he just watches it move across the room and then he moves like very overtly to get inside the TV show thing to get covered by the thing which you'd have to agree everybody of all the frames to be paused on that's a pretty fucking lucky one yeah otherwise he'd be in a bit of trouble but all that movement that he does are more than enough for it to stab maybe they do seem to call it hunter killer so they must know what this device does he knows what it is but if you're gonna argue it's based solely on movement he moves enough for it to see him um I don't know why it would stop there like if it has a target unless it is a really subtle piece of technology that only like if you walk slowly enough it won't notice but that just seems like a crap thing to use I can't know it's actually in your hand anyways that's true the fact that you've crushed it in your hand you get a slice of water and it's like fuck off like I can't crush a USB in my hand or a flash drive right not flash drive unless I tried really hard I guess but I don't know and that looks about the size of a flash drive and this is science fiction world so that was just a very overt attempt to kill Paul Arkenins and it just makes you wonder like I don't know there probably could have been better ways to have facilitated that maybe they thought that should have definitely worked and to be fair it probably should have um we kind of lucked out there and it didn't um and yeah and they say he's been in that wall for six weeks and as Metal just said it's like he tapped into some kind of water pipe so we can argue that at least he got the water to live from maybe but um was he just shitting in there it's like oh shit piss all the things maybe he just didn't poop very much we pooped in a little box well I guess how much food did he have cause you have water cool but like humans can't survive longer than a month without food yeah six weeks is a bit long without maybe he had some real like I don't know survival stuff in there maybe like num num num delicious chips regardless um coming out like oh no I guess I also he did have a stillsuit so that would have helped well that definitely helped does he have a stillsuit is that what that is I think he does yeah because uh I thought the Harkins didn't have stillsuits because they established like they have to they have to go out to his mine at night because they can't handle the fire I don't think that is one I think the stillsuits look different I'm gonna say I remember the stillsuits not looking like that but I'm not sure right a lot of people saying that is a stillsuit that is I'm not sure it looks kind of different at least from this angle someone said that's what the mask is is that they stole a stillsuit it's like that mask isn't on the stillsuit or at least the other ones uh hard to know hard to understand fully but all right anyway what I took from this as a surprise I was like oh my god this is just overt evidence the Harkins tried to fucking assassinate one of the like main atreides this is not gonna cause major political issues and they kind of just to like well that was annoying yeah fine sanctions or something they're in trouble right yeah it feels weird but we're gonna get more of that very soon and this is part of my I feel strange the world building but I did like that Big Chungus is like I should have you know been able to catch all this you have my resignation and then he's like fuck your resignation I want you to find these people that he's like all but my order that he's like find the spies you fucking moron just like I just like the idea that he's like you know I'm sad that I didn't catch this you know it's my but he's just like do things it also makes it clear that they need his abilities though which I found nice like that would be a waste of your abilities it was like yeah but my honor is like I don't care about your honor um I mean we have another hocketed scene I just love this little spider goopy spider bro it's just like all right see what is this thing yeah and it's like it's legs all like heads and heads it's looks nice and yeah I remember I am I got it was either a YouTube recommendation or an article that was like creepy spider thing explained it's like it's good bro I'm assuming this thing if you've read all the books you'll have a better idea I don't know yeah I feel like that that thing was like for people who know what's up I was just like that is a fucking disgusting thing to get it off my screen please yeah it looks like a dude in a suit that he's like yeah what's this fetish shit going on um oh yeah and that's the someone just said it's not yeah I don't actually know I can't be sure people in chat said no not in the books I don't remember that from the book this is then the book fuck is it then you freaks why did you put this in this movie you're a weirdo so yeah the the Ben & Jesuit leader is meeting with Baron Harkinen and it's like hmm and I think this conversation amounts to yes we're gonna destroy House of Trades Paul or Paul's mom and then uh yeah that's chill um so at this point the movie is just like an overt the Harkinen's are going to fucking wreck the Atreides you're like oh okay because I it changed my understanding of this movie I thought that we were gonna be dealing with spice mining and uh trying to like get the system running correctly even with sabotage or limited equipment but this is like just like we're gonna just fucking ransack them and destroy them it's like oh damn okay do you have subtitles on the on the playback you don't right no it's only subtitles for alternate languages slash muffled sounds I think oh okay that actually already answers the question I had because I had subtitles on because I just have them on most of the times and I was just finding weird that the muffled sounds were subtitles like that's weird don't you hear them don't you know what they say when you don't have subtitles but now I saw on the playback that the subtitles were on there but you didn't have any others like oh okay so you were supposed to hear that I was wondering but they subtitled the things you couldn't hear but I guess there was a purpose then um then uh then Big Chungus uses his telekinesis to simply float up and to be fair that Dnievel knew if he made that as cool as possible yeah it's a fat guy using his levitation and yet he makes it seem so otherworldly and creepy and sort of imposing yeah um good job mr visuals man you do you do good stuff um I don't know if it would be on stills in that shot it's like oh wait hmm do do where are we yeah so we just get a meeting of like all the leader people and he's like they made loads of money while they were here it's gonna take us ages to make that kind of money and then they assess I guess their equipment and it's just so again like uh Big Chungus is like oh the Harkinons with Harkinons sabotage is gonna take us ages to get up and running and stuff and I was just sitting there like what Harkinons sabotage how is that okay like I just I just don't get this transfer sort of thing and then Paul says like well isn't they supposed to be an arbitra arbitrator a judge of the change and they're like yes leotkines who by the way is completely fucking useless as a as an arbitrator but I I think we are as close to this being overt as possible in this universe like it seems like everyone knows the emperor is fucking over the atreides but no one wants to say it that's like the idea yeah yeah I just find it a bit strange because it's like it's treated as very official and honorable but everybody knows it's this all bullshit this is like it feels like they should call up someone it's like uh should they was this always broken because they broke all the things do you do want to have like a talk with them because they fucked everything up down here yeah this isn't the kind of corruption I imagine in in political systems or takeovers or transitions of power I this is so flagrant like yeah we're having trouble with this because they've destroyed our stuff it's like destroyed they shouldn't be allowed to do that right and it's like probably not we literally have a person that's supposed to correct stuff like that happening but then um that very person says she keeps saying stuff like you know it's not my place to say or I report what I'm told to like she's useless for them anyway absolutely um and so I wonder what the point of all of this is in terms of like let's trick them into thinking of them doing and then fuck them up it's like why not just kill them all then if you're going to be doing all this anyway it just I don't know it's like if I I just want to shoot metal in the head but first I make a huge deal about how all day we're going to like theme parks and the cinema in different areas and the whole time I'm just staring at it and reloading my pistol it's like why did you what's the point of all of that what did you get that gun from I'm not sure maybe the second film will help me understand the utility of all of this but it felt strange just seeing how much everyone seems to be aware that the Harkins are fucking us over completely like okay um um man it seems like this is a contentious point which one just that point about why how how are they allowed to get away with screwing them over like this I'm assuming the counter is just going to be yeah so it's a corrupt system the emperor is fucking them over I'm just like okay I don't know that the characters really react to the situation that way at all they sort of treat it like it's kind of fine hmm it seems weird any arguments for you um not really no yeah like I'm not it's a test isn't a test I thought it was just sabotage and then they get killed like that it would that they did it and the emperor knows and then he blows them up what is it it's a test and he's like yes what do you think that helps yes yeah but from the perspective of uh Oscar Isaac he wouldn't be able to do this test right he's just be able to get us there making it really difficult for us to do our job the emperor is trying to destroy House of Trades come on catch up we've already gotten past that the immediate thing that I'd be thinking about is like well if I'm another planet in this system it's like man this is gonna like make spice more expensive I'm not happy with this yeah this severely hampers production of spice that's gonna have rock roll on effects for the economy of this universe so are the other planets that are under the emperor are they cool with this or like when they find out that they're gonna be cool with that or are they gonna be really pissed off and the mention of how the emperor doesn't want to be seen as directly responsible literally everyone thinks this is the emperor's doing so he is gonna be thought to be directly responsible he's of course directly he could have stopped all of this he didn't it's like so this is what he wanted yeah they have reserves we have reserves of things but when you hamper the supply that still causes supply shocks and changes to the price so that's part of the storyline the harkinans crank the price of spice once this is all done because they they have a shit ton on reserve yeah I guess that's what I'm saying is like are people gonna be cool with that no you're right that's what I'm saying yeah sure it's a part of this movie that's an intention or at least something that's been taken advantage of by the harkinans this is apparently your worst take okay prove it you got the same problem as the people who were the last of us too who were like this is your worst take it's like you got a whole paragraph use it they aren't cool with it but they're a small game compared to compared to sorry that's scroll away atreides and harkinans they're waiting to see how things develop are they I don't know that's the I don't know I don't really know much about the other houses and planets and stuff it's a distraction maybe the book does explain it better I'm sitting the book will explain this better but we don't have that here in the film or at least it's not clear to me I think people are saying that atreides didn't know that the emperor was involved but they're well aware that the emperor gave them a hard task and he's basically not helping them at all yeah but I guess in conjunction with all of the sabotage and things why would the emperor make it so hard for them like if you accept the assignment and then the emperor gives you this planet and it's all shit and he doesn't help you and that's kind of the point if the situation is like I'm the boss and I go hey metal I want you to leave the playground free he's gonna go in there and you're like okay and then you and free goes in there and metals just spraying you with water constantly and you're like more like what the fuck and I just go mm-hmm I have the image in my head no it's really funny and then I go it's okay for me I've sent an arbitrator and then that arbitrator goes what's up and you go yeah metal spraying me with water and then that arbitrator goes no he's not no it's not as he's still spraying like you're just like so yeah you just you're just killing me then that's cool but you know the idea I guess this is better than just literally saying I hate you I'm gonna kill you but at that point the emperor doesn't have to do that even he said the Hakan is just go in and kill them why not just do that to begin with yeah Atreides thinks the emperor wants them to fail they do not know the emperor wants them dead what does it mean to fail and the emperor's not gonna do anything about them being invaded and crushed by the Hakanans so how do you conclude anything else yeah I I think something that did you say that you think that they should have just killed them on their home planet or did you say that or I suppose you could argue you could do anything you want really if you get them the logic would be that it's better to get them on doing than it is to get them on their home planet well sure but you don't need to do this to do that right hey what like hey guys come chill out we're gonna have a fun the emperor right the atreides will do whatever the emperor says if the emperor says we're having this big meeting here come and then they just kill them all why not why interrupt all of the Hakanan production to do a thing that doesn't mean anything at all in actuality because you're just gonna betray them anyway I don't know it seems like a lot of toon and froan to just erase atreides when you can just do that yourself anyway in fact if you wipe out the leadership which you could do much easier you can probably take the resources of Caledon right okay so apparently this is what we're not getting they want the atreides to look like they don't know what they're doing causing shortages so that when the Hakanan move back in everybody is on their side is that gonna work so here's a question do the atreides have no means of disseminating this information across the galaxy first of all their POV is gonna get out there I assume in some way shape or form but secondly if we found out wait what so the atreides are fucking up a spice flow by being shitty people in terms of shitty spice miners like oh okay so that sucks what's up with them right now it's like well they're all got wiped out the Hakanans fucking killed them all also the Hakanans go ahead and destroy almost a whole fucking base oh sorry chats probably assuming that we agree with the film that that took place secretly do you remember that they said that that was all apparently there's no fucking way that was a secret no it didn't it's like it refused to believe it's a secret so apparently it's a point in the book that they don't have any means of disseminating that information that the movie doesn't address it but I don't know that seems implausible to me considering how many people there are here there's gotta be chips going in and out of world you know there's gotta be like there will be ships that move around and then information gets out there of like man they've really we're told the Fremen have ways of getting off world so all the Fremen pretty much know about this event thanks to like and plenty of people escaped there's no way this information stays on Dune alone the movie does address the lack of communication like does it what is it like is there a line about knocking out satellites or something but yeah I wasn't even talking about that I was just talking about like somebody on the planet like goes out and leaves to go someplace else to do something during the fight they jammed their communications but before and after they could do whatever they wanted I mean ultimately it's gonna get out there that they're dead cause of course will and then they're gonna be like why we were super popular we like those people why they're all gone what happened nothing and yeah so I don't know this I think I'll need a second Dune movie to be sure about this but it doesn't sound very smart on the part of the emperor to me there's a lot of ways this can full right the fuck apart and a lot of the characters seem to be vaguely aware of how much they've been screwed over but they're not really behaving as such the closest we get so when I went to the film to see Dune there was not like a thing that went on screen that said hey you need to read the book before you watch this movie alright I shouldn't have to read the book to understand the movie an adaptation that's how it works please don't pull this card they pulled it over and over again for the Star Wars movies they were like you should read the novelization to get the extra details we've been over this stuff chat we hate it it's a very bad argument um and like this is the main sort of things that cause like there's one moment where Oscar Isaac is like like you've seen it we're in a shambles and then she's just like it's just one faulty bit of equipment and I remember being like that's bullshit we have not only like significantly less equipment but lots of it is fucking busted is there no appeals process and basically she's just like no and I don't know at that point I can't believe that I can't believe that there's no method of appealing I think at that point you need to have a meeting we're like they're probably trying to kill us uh we might need to get the fuck out of here they can blame anybody how so somebody came to blow them up and then leave they'll be there when they go to Iraqis it'll be the people who blew them up unless they just did that for shits and giggles and then left that would be even more suspicious if there was nobody left like if they blew them up and then the people who did it left and it was just empty there's plenty of ways the information gets out yeah I don't see how I don't see how you can cover up something this huge um nobody goes to that planet so that's not true it's like the most valuable planet they have it wouldn't even matter if the film has covered that so we're fine on that one if people come and go to this planet it's established um but we can kick on the movie is not standalone but I can't watch Dune 2 yet and if you read the books then that's not an argument again yeah like I said I'm willing to give breathing room until the second movie because we haven't even met the emperor so maybe when we do we'll get a lot more context but um until that time these plans seem pretty wonky um and like I said my bigger issue is just that the characters don't seem to react to the situation they're in very much uh to the point where Leto is like pretty much talking as though he's dead if you remember one of the last conversations he has with his wife he's like if anything happens to me make sure you take care of Paul and it's like as though he knows he's soon to die which really bugs me because I'm like why is why aren't we doing a lot to fucking prepare something that I keep seeing is people saying that you can't travel through space without the guild um and the guild are in on it okay yeah I'm not sure is the point that like that they're not man if I'm to believe that they are not allowed to leave this planet or like move off world or do anything and they're aware of that they should be like entirely ready to be attacked if that's the case holy crap I'd be super nervous if I got told that I couldn't like leave the planet because the guild is not going to let me leave yeah that's kind of the point we've been trying to make is that the characters aren't really reacting to the situation the reality of the situation if you told me all of our equipment's fucked where we've had Harkin and Sabotage to the point where one of them tried to fucking assassinate the son of the Duke we can't get out of here and um and the emperor doesn't seem to give a shit that all of this is happening I'd be like we're in serious trouble guys they are ready to be attacked man if that's what ready to be attacked looks like what we saw in the film god like it feels like they could have worked a lot harder to protect themselves so where are we I think they have a meeting with Dilgar which is an attempt from Oscar Isaac's character to try and bridge the gap between the Fremen and the I guess the stewards of the planet in which it's them now and he's like name what you want and I'll do what I can to get it to you and I think he's just like take what you wanted and then leave and he's like I can't leave and he's like alright well and then he says you know as long as he's in power the Fremen won't be attacked and like you know it's an enjoyable scene Javier Bardem has a lot of presence he's just a good actor to have in your movie I guess and he comes across as very like he ignores a lot of customs he just comes across yeah like he's living his own life fuck off and yeah he spits at them and they're like what the fuck that's a very nice thing to do on Dune because everyone's very dry lick it I was gonna say you guys didn't disagree though and then I just have a little scene where Aquaman is like I got some tools from the Fremen hung out with them they were impressive had a lot of respect for them they're pretty neat then we kick into well first we get a full explanation of the still suits which are one of them incredible they're almost like lightsabers in terms of just you wear this suit you lose a thimble of water per day and you're like fully hydrated and it recycles and it keeps you safe in the desert it's just like fuck these things are fantabulous damn they're cool suits well they said the Fremen invented them and I was like okay correct me I guess I don't understand the Fremen very well what kind of technology do they have because what we see in this movie they seem pretty low tech yeah what they also say they have like millions of Fremen out there so I was gonna say not station city so they call them seaches yeah and I'm assuming I'm very curious about the seaches being like how they look well yeah I'd be curious what kind of stuff we're dealing with and maybe what we see of the Fremen is actually very limited they're almost aware like kind of remind me of like Mad Max gear almost like it looks kind of makeshift but still useful but then they made this and they have like so many of these seaches I was actually kind of disappointed we didn't see any of them properly in the movie cause I as you said I don't know what they do and apparently the Harkin also thought there's like 50,000 of them it's like okay you were so long here and you were here so long and only thought there was 50,000 of them but apparently there's like millions it's like ah okay yeah and I can believe that they've got really good shit underground and they show that they're kind of on above ground so we'll have to see what Dune 2 has to offer for that one yeah and so we get our younger scene of the simultaneously trying to explain to us how spice mining works but then also give us some drama so you got we're out we're just having a look see spice mining with our main characters and there's a big ol spice miner thing and then they're like eventually sandwims will come and he says that we can't use shields out here because sandwims go fucking nuts and start trying to kill everything if you have shields on which I thought was an interesting thing it really was like why and I'm guessing the way it works in Dune is there's worm territory and non-worm territory because the whole city is covered in shields right but that's just far away enough from where any worms would roam that you're okay and I was curious if personal shields are big enough to make them do that like if you just put your personal shield on do they start going nuts? because it seems that way with how nobody uses personal shields out in the desert I think yes the vibrations of the shield are far enough to set them off I guess but they make it sound like they go even more crazy like they go into a frenzy when you put the shields on there so I'm guessing we will see that at some point in one of the other movies but I don't know why I don't know if the vibrations are so crazy from these because I don't know how the shields work technically because they just cover your whole body so maybe just go like boom boom boom boom boom like in a really high frequency and that goes into the floor and then the worms like oh shit the vibrations that's just something I came up in my mind because I don't think they say it other than they go crazy yeah yeah that's I'm sure that's it anyway worms on the way oh no and so they call in a carry-all I guess I'll summarize the whole thing first and then we can go through it so the carry-all comes one of the four anchors does not work which means the carry-all cannot take the drill out but they still want to rescue the people and so our team land they pick up the people and just in the last moment they get out of there and save everybody and we go back home a very dramatic scene you see now I enjoyed this just fine when I first watched it how about you guys you mean this whole scene? yeah yeah kind of I had some questions about their protocols but I like how they portray Leto, Alito and this yeah fuck your protocols I want everyone to be safe right now just fuck the spice like I want you guys out which is a line that even the arbitrator was like impressed by I think yeah yeah I like that as character development but I have more questions about the world building at this point what was your opinion? my thing was like man you let Paul go out there like potentially get eaten if he's like not like if he was like the logistics of how we're all getting these people out of here it seemed unclear to me at the moment and also like incredibly risky like in terms of putting Paul in like significant danger but I guess it's cool that Oscar Isaacs want to save his people yeah and I think he said he just wanted Paul to guide people into the ship I don't know that he assumed Paul would go that far out Paul would go right out yeah they say they basically need seven per ship but they can only hold six and then a little bit later he says if we remove the shield generators then we'll have enough weight to be able to take them just like alright it's fine with me now the anchor system again this is fine like you can engage three if you don't engage the fourth one there's no hope and I just wonder probably build that with if one anchor fails you can still lift it there'll probably be a good contingency but okay but then they say like are there any other carrels in the area and it's like nope and I was like damn no other carrels, when you think a backup carrel would be the number one thing you'd need to have for these operations because you do not want to lose something as important as huge as the big spice mining facility could you say that that has been sabotaged by the Harkin as well stuff like that makes me think how could the arbitrator have any argument where she's like it's chill, it's like how could you say that if we've been sabotaged to the point where we can't even have the backup carrels which is apparently a normal thing if we assume that it's in the other way as well but okay so then we get into more like why can't carrels carry people yeah it seems to me that if those anchors fail then it should land open up a door get all of the workers into it and then leave well yeah because otherwise it frows and you're just dead the idea that carrels can only carry those big shifts like okay what I think now that I go through it in my head again because they say oh we can't just leave we have a full load of spice in here we can't just leave this here one, you can't leave apparently so why would you stay on board you just get eaten by the worm why don't you just run away at least chill two yeah just fuck the protocols just fucking go away why don't you pick them up as you said already it's like yeah we can't leave this spice it's like you can't move it I'm willing to say they had a stupid thought for a moment like they're so into their work and the need for the house to be successful that for a moment they were like we can't leave the spice like dude you're gonna die yeah but then what a stupid rule to be laid upon by the Harkins like oh yeah if you can't get this out of there the wormcrubs just get eaten maybe that's what the Harkins actually said because they're so like yeah like cartoonishly evil they're just like if you can't get the spice out they just fucking die don't need your manpower anymore okay and yeah so like I figured that the Carriol should not only just be able to do this on their own but I was thinking you know you could lift like six people up with the dragonfly thing to drop down onto the Carriol with the roof of it and then go and pick up the rest sure yeah and you'd be fine because the Carriol can stay still and you just need to you don't need to fly away with that just stay in the air stay still and they'll come back and get you later just to be absolutely safe so I was um I was sort of just like the second watch here I was like drama's not really working for me anymore because I see a lot of solutions here that seem a little bit obvious and I wonder why the technology even works the way that it does and then I was thinking so the Carriol is this ship that seems expressly built with anchors that attach to these drills to get them out of there if ever thingies come and get them so we presume then that you've got let's pretend there's X amount of drills and then much less Carriols why not build the Carriols into the drills because the Carriols can carry themselves and the drills so why not just have them as a part of the drills all the time yeah and they just fly away every time you're done yeah I figured you could just fly away yeah that's a very good question I didn't think about that so yeah I really like a lot of this film just to watch it but this is some stuff I started thinking about and by the way everything we've highlighted so far I don't know that it hurts the film that much everything but like we've not really gotten to my main criticisms yet these are all much smaller so then we get a really another awkward well was there anything else you guys want to talk about in that scene I don't think so nah I didn't think the sea on the wind looked too good here I don't think it looked alright I'll try and show it I mean it didn't look at it too closely because it's mostly under the sand anyways hang on I'll grab it I'm not sure if my eyes can decide if I think it's not great CGI or just it looks a certain way that's confusing me and making me think it looks bad the wind when it comes out near the end of the film I thought looked fantastic but this shot here I'll just grab it up I'm not sure what I'm thinking have you guys got the stream up so you can see it as well I have the stream up yeah I don't know it didn't look very convincing to me but like it's not really a big problem or anything I don't look fine yeah I don't mind it I saw it today I didn't find it very distracting I'm curious what it looks like in 4K yeah this shot as well I wish I could give you more the surrounding rim and the edge they look a little what's the weird I'm looking for muddy graphically muddy I don't know maybe because of the sand effect I legit don't think it looks bad I don't know it looks fine when I watched it there was no feeling of like it looks weird I think it looks fine it didn't ruin the level of epicness I wonder that's all if nobody else is seeing it I'll just be like alright fair enough because I haven't really got much else I can say about it because I'm not exactly CGI-man hmm yeah they recovered from that and he's like this isn't fair and then I think she basically said something like it's not my place to be able to say I'll really do anything it's like thanks you were really useful you just saw it with your own eyes isn't that weird I gotta go I feel like this is the latest point where the alarms should go off fuck yes I'm getting more belated than this alright so this scene I thought was a bit awkward we're over to the Hakanans and I guess they team up with the Saad Saadalkans Saadakans I can't quite remember which are an elite fighting force from the Emperor so this scene I'm going to talk about the upside down people that delete the water what is there to say about that they're upside down people getting something out of them I just thought about this made me think about Rick and Morty with their Morty Shield I guess we'll point it out there is some throat singing like we're just like hmm so yeah this scene you get the point of this scene very quickly we don't know what the Saaduka are at all as an audience but of course all of these characters do so he's like why does the Baron need us the Hakanan outnumber a tradies you're like oh yeah cause this lines up with earlier when they said that they'll be getting like three battalions of Saaduka or whatever from the Emperor to help annihilate a tradies ok but the Saaduka leads us like Baron doesn't fucking need us why is this happening and then um Okadot man is like well the the a tradies are pretty good they've got um the Josh Brolin and Duncan Duncan Idaho yeah um and in response to that he's like we are the Saaduka we fucking the Emperor's we kill everything that stands in our way and he's like yeah just he says just so three battalions and I think his response is like the um ok you know the Emperor wants it as the Emperor commands and I was like what the fuck was that conversation for like him being like why do we gotta do this he's like well because they're strong he's like we're stronger than anybody ok good then should be walking apart for you and then he says Emperor commands you know what I mean it's just like so why did you even what was what was any of that why did you say any of that it was one of those weird expositions yeah to me it felt like an excuse to have him announce who the Saaduka are and why we should be afraid of them which I feel like there's better ways of doing this and that's I guess like just doing has a couple of issues with getting its exposition across um yeah and then we get the scene where uh Mr. Oscar Isaac's character seems to be resigned to the fact that he's probably gonna die which made me sad I was like why aren't you doing more things ooh stuff I like you yeah um just preparing fully defenses getting weird out finding ways to I don't know complain more and tell people about this horrible situation I don't know um but yeah he says will the Bene Gesserit protect Paul if anything should happen to him and um I can't remember what she says I think she's just like don't be saying these things don't you worry about it's gonna be fine um which leads us into the beginning of where we start having what I think a major issues so everyone's going to sleepy buys and have a nice night it's pretty chill chill then the doctor shoots three guards with his uh little paralyzing dark thing oh actually I have something before that already oh if you want to go ahead uh so he goes around and gives all our characters pills and I don't know why and everyone's just like oh yeah pills I'll take those to sleep maybe huh space jet like were they to um were they to knock them out because they wake up on the ship don't I yeah I guess but they all just accept the pills even though he's a doctor I guess oh you're fine you're fine I don't I don't I don't because it's funny you brought that up because I remember seeing it but I don't remember knowing anything about it because I was like I don't know I mean if some if someone just give me pills and it's like why do you give me pills doctor I don't want them I mean if your doctor told you it's important I can't believe they they think he's giving them good bells whatever okay I just found weird like even if my super duper doctor would just say we just put them on my table and just leave well if you said I don't know for the stress it'll help you sleep better I can believe they take them yeah um and yeah then there's the the three gods get shot with the dot things so yeah that that is like okay um if you're security guards you might want to have your shields on at all times but okay unless there's any reason that we have to assume that they can't have them on all the time but I don't know if there's any indication that that's what they need to no they they they can they can have it on here yeah as far as I know you can have it on like nothing shielded from worms anyway so there's no no worries about the worms or anything regardless he knocks those three out walks through the door and shuts down all of the atreides communication security and power yeah that's not possible absolutely insane that he would have any kind of access that could allow that to happen well the system should be more compartmentalized there shouldn't be like one place where you can take everything down and it shouldn't be able to be done without huge approval yeah you should probably have to have leto's approval there should be double check a triple check a quadruple check system you push the off button it's like yeah don't know about that because this reminds me of captain phasma lowering the shields on the star killer base like you shouldn't be able to do that yeah shouldn't be possible and readily it should be happening of some kind right like if you've done all of this but I suppose the argument was people know they've knocked out everything okay no I don't want to I don't want that not stressed because that makes the rest of the film happen and it's huge it's like consequently this is incredibly important the doctor just knocks everything off okay and then by the way because I didn't know dune story so watching Oscar Isaac wake up and try and figure this out I was like please don't die please don't die please don't die don't just get shot or something please and then he literally just gets shot well he turns on his shield I was like okay good good good yeah smart and then we see that there's a little like fly dart that can move slowly through the shield and paralyze them should we have a conversation about the shields now oh yeah yes because that dart alone destroys the use of the shields dude just make guns that shoot those darts just make guns that shoot darts that slow down and penetrate the shields that's the hot take chat I don't know if you're ready for this but I'm not impressed by dunes combat shields when my argument would be I think I even said this on a real bbc like all you need to do is invent a gun that goes slow before it hits them right and if you want to tell me that tech doesn't exist like okay fine as long as you're consistent on that but it does exist it does exist we see it and we see it later in the film too with Duncan yeah to the point where if you have let's say a try shotgun it just fires three of those darts at once in different locations the person's fucked people keep saying they did but there is a battle scene later in the film where they all run at each other with swords there's a lot of scenes where they all run at each other with swords they don't use it as a wide scale this should be wide scale weaponry people shouldn't be using swords they should be using guns that penetrate the shields or alternatively explosives because I would presume that the shield is not going to save you from an explosion like if it blows you away you're going to have the internal damage from the shockwave and everything we have to count of this one someone just said the way it works is if like a laser was to hit the shield it'll call a nuclear it calls a nuclear explosion that cannot be true that can't be true so gotta be very clear about this because book fans are about to get very angry okay that can't be true in this movie because they try to laser things in this movie that have shields you can't tell me that they're aware that that will cause a nuclear explosion and they still do it there's no way and if it does you're just going to develop tactics about blowing one person up with a nuclear explosion like if ever you're going to lose a battle just shoot yourself with a laser gun and cause a nuke and kill everybody that was actually going to be the next target where I was going to break up so why not make a small craft that literally has a shield that sets a laser on itself and it reaches the destination yeah yeah exactly it's hyperspace ram and equivalent yeah you cannot I could do this incredibly crazy thing we cannot allow that argument it destroys everything so we're just going to keep that out if it's in the book go nuts but that ain't in the movie and I'm not having it in the movie because it fucks everything up but yeah I think the shields are completely ruined as soon as they establish chemical weapons well yeah we're shown those are effective too yeah so we should be using chemical weapons like wide scale instead of using swords the thing that Star Wars gets away with is because of the force that Jedi can use lightsabers I think lightsabers wouldn't really be that popular they would because they're cool but if you didn't have the force it's like lightsaber versus your average blasters like you have to be pretty fucking good at deflecting in order for this to work out and remember we saw the guy in Mandalorian with the shotgun and we were like yay that's what we're supposed to do to beat lightsabers because that makes it easy the soldiers all wear armor slow projectiles are useless but didn't Duncan he almost got killed by dart later in the film plenty of them don't wear armor and Duncan kills plenty of them that wear armor wait so you're saying the armor can deflect the little darts but they can't do anything against blades then put little explosives on the darts well why not make armor that defends you against blades too this is sci-fi where it's in the future right because they do have their swords but they still get killed with they have their armor pieces but the swords can still kill them so yeah just make like a little dart that slows down and once it touches you it explodes and I was gonna say yeah that's exactly what I was gonna say you don't have to have it so that it simply darts them you can make it do anything as long as it gets through the shield first which is the important part and then if it explodes like Fringe just said you're fucked but I think the point is you have the because we see in the film like when all of the soldiers go outside all of the ships are getting blown up and my immediate thought is dude blow up the people on the ground unless they're to assume the shields are so good and you remember that's gonna save you one of the things they throw at one of their turret slash ships is a literal like nuke that slows down to get through shields first that's right and when I saw that I was like what we can make technology in the form of darts and explosives that can travel so they can get through shields first like oh no dart is easily deflected unless shot in the bag what if you get shot by like multiple darts it's not easily deflected Duncan takes a few seconds to get rid of it it's really hard yeah it seems like it's actually quite difficult I remember Duncan gets shot a couple of times for some reason the other ones just deflect guys just think about it for like 5 seconds okay I shoot metal in his head his shoulder and his foot while he's trying to deal with all three of those I can just shoot him in the back or keep shooting him as long as I have 10 he's not making it yeah and so ultimately it's like and instead of because I think what we're meant to assume about the way that this works is because of the shields they have to fight in like big battles with swords and clashes but like god damn if I could find a way to avoid that in this world I'm going to try very hard to avoid that and to avoid that I'm going to make my darts that explode I'm going to have just explosives raining down on these people to blow them up or I'm going to find like poison gas that I'm going to use on a wide scale I want to avoid as best as possible having my dudes charge at each other and fight with swords I'm not doing that if there are ways for me to get through these shields I'm sorry I'm really sorry like it just doesn't make sense um the cool factor is through the roof and I really do get it and when it was first introduced it was like that's cool and I do think that works I'm pretty sure but then the more I was thinking about it as long as they don't show me a gun form that can do the whole thing that's happening there but then they literally do and I was like yeah this is what happens when Duncan shot with them takes a little bit of time there and that guy for some reason I think that guy is shown trying to shoot him again and misses or something but it's just like wow Duncan was lucky that guy didn't do a boom boom boom boom you know it just flop off if it gets shot twice more and for some reason they just fly away the shield protects the Baron from poison gas I thought the reason why the shield works this way that it can go slower so that you can breathe well it definitely doesn't protect you from poison gas the Baron almost dies he nearly dies yeah like you can argue it protects you more than not but it still doesn't protect like the idea being free is totally right here okay so if I release gas I'm going to use metal again in my experiment metal is going with his knife coming at me if I release gas on him even if he has a shield he's going and backing up which is all I need that's all I need exactly I like that you did that right after someone shot roadway is metal always hypothetical target I'm going to use metal again using the German so yeah I just the shields combat and then by extension kind of warfare I feel like there's a lot of things happening now that I kind of about this world and why is it the shield because if the reason why the shield works this way so that you can breathe you should just make it so that everybody has like a little tube that goes out of the shield that they can breathe in yeah I think that's worth being able to block everything because if yeah exactly if your option is to be able to block everything just find a workaround for them to breathe give them a chance maybe make a little hole in the shield somewhere that's really hard to access and is not known like maybe it's random the whole randomly moves around so that nobody knows where it is yeah I was just going to say to clarify because we've been told that according to the books isn't really in the film the reason the shields work this way is to allow oxygen through to let you breathe and it's like there are other ways you can do that yeah that don't compromise your shield make a shot rather than hey you can move your sword slow and then kill people with it it's like man no no yeah well so if you're offered me is like you have to have an oxygen tank that refills once per day or something versus you have to be vulnerable to knives swords and dart guns I'd be like fuck that I'll take the first one apparently wouldn't be able to move if it didn't work this way but that doesn't make sense because you're running pretty fast with those shields on how does that make sense you can move really fast while running with your shields the shields don't prevent you from moving fast so why would you not be able to move apparently you can adjust it on your shields like you can adjust the velocity or something but also I'd rather block or sound and not be vulnerable to getting stabbed yeah again I just don't know why everyone doesn't have rifles that are equipped with all these options to knock down shields instead of what appears to be opting in for close combat which um maybe you can help me out with this one look at this moment I was talking about it I think yesterday also um Josh Brolin is like leading a bunch of people for some reason there's two bad guys who turn up first um and if you look here boom and they're both dead didn't look like they had shields no they didn't have shields I don't know why I noticed that too today I was confused by it and then I'm just like why you know again I might have believed that if these ships blasted rockets as all of Josh Brolin's dudes run in here that that wouldn't do anything they'd just be perfectly fine really no way I don't know why oxygen can get through poison can get through but fire can't but fire can't does the fire move too quickly might have forgotten what if you go to a planet where it's really windy does the air like not get through yeah hmm and just seeing them all like the army the Atreides army just not even they don't even have their armor I don't even know if they have their shields they're just running out there to the car army and I'm like guys what are you doing and of course Josh Brolin is probably going to turn up in Dune 2 but like I don't know that he should be he should probably be dead but we didn't see him die so I think it's safe to assume that he's still alive maybe he gets captured I don't know but yeah as explosions shockwaves move faster than the wind so what is the cut off then for how fast things need to move that they get blocked if like moving the sword slowly through the shield like I don't just change depending on whether it's like a sword versus a dart versus like wind versus fire they were ambushed in the middle of the night haha I mean still want to grab you can grab a shield bro yeah it's like legitimately like a little bracelet you put on your arm and I imagine that's the kind of thing you keep on your fucking bedside table but probably not take it off especially if you're like an army member and that's your whole thing that shield is important as like a wristwatch you know you keep it with you all the time I would how valuable it seems to be especially after I saw someone been braked in a wall for six weeks like there might be more I'm gonna keep machining the fuck out dude did you just get here all explaining the books we haven't read the books and we don't need to read the books to watch the movie there was nothing we're not and there's no reason why that would be the standard there's a difference between us highlighting well what's House Rumble Dumble doing and it's like well they're not in the film and you're like yes but they have to be explained right it's like you can go look at law for that if you want to know what House Rumble Dumble are doing we're talking specifically about things that like control the stakes of this story why aren't they in this film that's that's how there are better holes to die on than the shields dude like this is like the most important part of the film this battle like everything that happens here with him getting killed with the thing that flies through the shield and paralyzes him yeah I was gonna say this is a pretty major hill it's not important this is huge yeah it's super important did we mention that the the dart he gets shot at in the back moves with his shields because I'm pretty sure he turns around at some point and I think it just stays on his back yeah there's an I'm not sure how that attack works and I was wondering you know if he was to try and go like put his back against the wall and try and angle it and then rub it do you think it would knock it or like I don't know how I don't know what would happen what if you would spin like like legit just spin around and deactivate your shield try to make it fly in the other direction or something oh and you know what I mean there's no highlines like but we've referenced the books like the only time I've referenced the book it's just a source of ideas is like for example arguing with the weakest arguments in chat I want you specifically you to post the argument I'll be looking for it get right no it gets annoying when it's like oh you're reading the worst ones it's like dude there's a lot of them coming through all at once and some people just say you're wrong without putting in the argument itself I just like the idea that he's called everyone else's argument shit they're all like hey what the fuck hey oh man yeah I remember when I was talking about this there were people talking to my chat about the shields quite a bit and I didn't even pick up on it that much I was just confused by the shields so I can see that's like a big contentious thingy to talk about um someone said they can easily like frame the Fremen because they're using knives like if I want to gather the Sardukar use knives as well just in general yeah which is part of our issue um the next up the doctor explains he's going to replace his uh Lito's back tooth with one that if he crushes it'll uh it'll do poison stuff and I was just like man again I'm willing to just sort of hand wave it because sci-fi but like imagine the pain of having like someone try to dig in a tooth into the back of your mouth to make it stay there ready to be bitten yeah he did that very quickly as well because the the enemy soldiers were just around I don't know why they didn't just have it be that he's like I'm putting this in your mouth crunch it at the best time just hide under your tongue or whatever replace a tooth it's like oh that's gonna fucking hit um and yeah the the doctor has done all this stuff and by the way I don't know about YouTube but I was just like fuck I barely even knew who this character was what's going on it's just like he has my wife and he's tearing her part like a doll and he said that we can go free if I do all this and I was like oh alright then you've got a lot of people are dead because of you there's a lot to say about that very much subjective but it's really unsatisfying to me all of this is happening because the character that I barely know has someone he loves captured and has therefore done all of this for Baron Harkin and it's like okay it's been nice to have known this character at all or who that person was or where she sits in terms of like I'm guessing her disappearance didn't matter to literally anybody except the doctor and so nobody noticed and that he didn't try because we didn't know that wasn't a thing that was like mentioned at any point earlier in the film it's just a thing that's yeah and I I've heard from a couple of friends of mine that his name is Dr. Yue right apparently he has a much better role in in the book that's further I'm not surprised at all because it it almost feels like they forgot he existed in this film until he was because he checks on Paul's vitals twice in this movie before but like he's no more a character than a fucking droid at that point doing a medical check like someone said it's not about him yeah the movie is about Paul I understand that anyway so that's all happening and at least now we know why and then we find out that Paul and his mum are on being kidnapped by some spooky Harkinans getting taken into the desert and I think from what we heard earlier from the Baron the plan is to just drop them into the desert so that they can die there so they didn't directly kill them they just dropped them into the desert with no supplies which is entirely different I was just like okay I don't know how that doesn't really violate the better Jesuits you didn't post the best argument my dude alright let's just press onward anyway Duncan then kills a whole bunch of Harkinans and jumps into a ship because they're all afraid of him this he's so good at sword fighting though I was like okay but this falls apart very quickly for two major reasons first one is that for some reason it takes them ages to attack this ship when they're all very aware of it then that laser tries to get him is shields protect him from some rocket now I'm thinking about it if you're in like the firefly and that gets blown up but you've got your shields on what happens to you probably die no but explosions don't do anything to you would you just so you'd oh man now wait okay so if you're in the ship and the ship's shields aren't on but your personal shields are on what happens to you I guess you're fine I was about to ask what happens if you fall really fast and far does the shield that's the immediate thing I'm thinking about well what happens when you fall does the shield save you but you die what happens when you hit the ground what happens to your body because that when we get an answer to that how the shields work in terms of force yeah but I'm not sure let's see see what chat might say it's also I just found the laser funny it's like tearing up the entire place around him it was just like damn bro if only the shield had fired like when this shit was happening but I guess they had to I don't know I'm also amused by the idea that all of the answers are that you would turn to mush so that would just be my argument for the force of an explosion hitting you so you should use explosions and explosives in your army if that's how it works if the force is absorbed by the shield but like you the body in it gets turned to mush use explosions on people and then that's how you fight you don't fight with swords but anyway we're gonna come back to that real soon cause oh boy so the baron is just prepping and then we basically get like we go back and forth between the baron and our Paul and his mum so I think we should probably just do them one at a time instead of going back and forth so they've put a gag on the mum because they're aware of the benegeserate voice thing which is good because I think they should be just gonna take advantage of they are unaware that Paul knows how to use it and I was like well doesn't queen bitch know about this the boss of the benegeserate people she knew that Paul had been trained in the way so shouldn't they have a gag on him as well seems like they probably should well might as well right what's the harm in it I thought cause she knows that he's got access to power and all that stuff she didn't tell them so yeah but shouldn't she have I don't know okay it was a little bit strange and then she establishes the mum that one of these hakenins is deaf and I was like wow that'll be useful because he will be able to hear you using the voice on his fucking friend if you do it that way so nice I didn't even catch that cause otherwise that'd be screwed fuck just to clarify for anybody who's like so the mind trick thing Paul is struggling to get it right but he gets it out to let's call it hakenin 1, 2 and 3 3 being the pilot 2 being deaf boy 1 being main guy he says to the main one un-gag my mother and so he does and then she says kill the fucking hakenin 2 which is the deaf one he just slices the throat of hakenin 2 and knocks him out of the ship and that wouldn't have been able to happen that way if that guy wasn't deaf yeah otherwise they would have been screwed cause he would have overheard it but I still found out that the pilot doesn't hear any of this I think we're supposed to assume that it's just too loud but he's like right next to him so I just it's logistically I was just struggling with this and it's only once the guy falls out that the pilot is like wait a minute what's going on back there and he puts his hand over uh Paul's mom's mouth and she manages to bite it and I was like man she must have a strong bite to make it so that he has to remove his hand but it's just fine um though like Paul, this part you guys are gonna have to get up your own copies of this if you really want to see it cause it was just bizarre to me um, Paul like puts his legs on and park it in one and makes him like trip over and then if you count from then until he's killed he's just sort of on the floor for ages just doing nothing at least in movie time like like uh if you start thinking about all the things you could do if you were him it's like Paul like knocks him down he's down and then she stops guy from stabbing he's just like oh boy I'm on the floor I am on the floor right now oof I'm gonna get up eventually but I am just on the floor oh man that floor I'm just right on it and then she goes over and kills him and I was like oh all Paul did was make him so that he fell and it's like he's been knocked out um it's a very strange scene and the thing is when I first watched it I really liked it I thought the voice was really creepy and I liked the way that she is so quick to just have them fucking kill themselves in front of it like damn um I said this is this is actually nitpicky just like this is just plot armor this is how it works we highlighted and everything how is this if this hadn't played out this way they'd be dead and the story would be over you've gotta remember nitpick is valid but small when people's lives are saved it cannot be considered small unless you think it's a nitpick that the knife disappeared in TLJ if you think that's a nitpick go right ahead mmhmm yeah the flow of the scene for me was just it was just a little bit off it needs tweaking to get everything right but I also just hate the fact that one of them was deaf that was so like okay um so then they announced something the Harkadins were aware that they took this ship and so they remotely turn it off mmhmm yeah that happened I'm waiting for one of you to brainwave say one more time the Harkadins are aware that that ship has just been taken by them too and so they remotely turn it off yeah instead of man blowing it up or something that's not what I was aiming for the fact that you can remotely man it might so if you know where it is you track it immediately oh and then Duncan Duncan ship should have been turned off why wasn't it turned off oh man maybe that I'm just shooting the shit here maybe it's one of there was one of their thupdus and not one of the Harkin ones I don't know that we can really argue that it seems like it looked like it was literally there it's like they arrived on it yeah okay man and if they did that that's also like think of the damage yeah that does the storyline if Duncan ship was turned off or man yikes well someone said it's Duncan ship I mean you can you can try to make this make sense but it seems to me that all of the thupdus here belong to here they are in which case and they should all be under the control of whoever is in control of the city which seems to be the Harkadins and to be fair even if why can't they track them if they're all on some kind of system correct me if I'm wrong didn't this thupdus where the two were in didn't they have like an extra device on top of the of the other things of the electronics maybe they prepped this one especially for it is it really so that it can be turned off I don't know what it's weird that's just in my mind right now I don't know if that's true I have to pop up my copy because I'm not sure seem to me that they're just both are they called thupdus I like that name at least they called the two cedar they are in later on when they go into the storm they call thupdur thupdur if they disable the ship the tracker turns off too do they leverage the tracker on Duncan is that what they want is that true if you disable the ship you can no longer track it because that is fucking retarded why would that be the thing you can turn it off but now you don't know where it is why wouldn't it be you just disable controls not you literally make it so it can't emit any signals omnithopter I mean that thing on top there maybe that's especially for that I don't know or is that just a microphone for well so if you I mean I don't know that's going to help much is it like arguing this particular thopter just had something on it that made it so you can disable it at a distance at wills it's like oh okay well you disabled a why track it to go there and kill them that's going to be my next criticism I'm just trying to make sense of it I'm looking at both thopters they look relatively the same I don't know why we would assume that they have the power to turn off theirs but not turn off Duncan's like that's fucking weird and they also don't even chase Duncan apparently maybe he's just that good but then they also can't track him and they also can't track uh they can turn them off remotely but they can't track him because people are saying that they did track him later in the film to find the uh when they were hiding out in that little desert place is that what they did I don't know well I didn't think that's what they did because I just confirmed that I thought they just found them I mean because if they want to use that as a defense that just makes this part much worse because that confirms that they had all that tracking they had the capacity to track them yeah okay now it's it is blurry on Duncan's ship but there's definitely something on his ship there on the on the left side as well right above the lights yeah to me I think that the best you can do is try and rationalize it desperately to make this they were very busy fighting but they weren't busy enough when Paul and his mom they got them they disabled them straight away and that was around the same time that this was all happening and Duncan Idaho is known as like the greatest fighter in the universe yeah he's a really important guy like to the point where they fear to get near him it's like come on someone you want to stop and yeah I guess I was going to follow up like I said with the once they land and is disabled they don't go that far to set up their tent and it's like man if someone just came they can't kill them directly yes they can't kill them directly but you don't want them to just run around yeah exactly and and yeah it was that was immediate thought I had as well you didn't move that far away from the the ship so why isn't anybody coming to get you yeah that felt awkward too because I was just like you guys need to run they're going to find you eventually and it's like no it's fine like oh okay yeah the whole scene with between the Baron and Leto I like I don't think I took any issue with it you guys no I like that scene I love them come closer which made sense so I can possibly get the biggest effect of the poison uh and then yeah the shield protected that's the only thing that I'm a little bit if you on but like I really love uh Stellan Skarsgård's performance yeah he's great I really hope he he said he was 50-50 on returning to play the Baron again please please please please come back it was good as a matter I also like that he put on his shield before it went in just in case he's like playing awesome I think in a stab him or something you could argue that uh Leto was trying to get him to get close to make sure he nailed it and then by doing that he's made it so that he probably couldn't can't kill him when he could have you know there's an interesting yeah I think that works relatively well I thought it was funny when he was like you know you promise you'd get me my wife back and he's like I promise I would you'd be with her that she would be set free and I was like oh dude if he said that to you you should have thought yeah ask for clarifications you know what do you mean by set free do you mean physically in a certain sense it's like no in the literal sense what's happening alright so he kills the doctor and he's like haha we win and then Leto says I think his last line is here I am here I remain I think is what he says yes which seems like a parallel to what happens at the end of the movie yeah and he just it's just all like yeah I'm here now you know and it's just a strong line for him to deliver to the person that probably facilitated his family because he tells him that his son and his wife will not right he says you're concubine or something like that they didn't get married but um yeah so then yeah uh Oscar Isaacs dies but he crushes the tooth and poisons everyone in the room and you're like yay at least hey you got him oh boo I didn't want him to die I didn't want him to die either yeah and they are cousins yeah apparently because he's he calls him cousin uh Phil is the log where like Doug and Idaho lads next to uh the ambassador lady and he's like this fucking all this is bullshit and she's like uh-huh whatever that he's like yeah she's like I don't know this is like hmm but then uh she actually goes into like full help mode for this team I don't know if it's like a little out of guilt or because she believes in the prophecy but um he seems to be giving more of a shit now which is neat about our good guys because Hakan is a bad guy is okay pretty obvious um see I was gonna ask because I guess I am I I missed this detail I meant to look over the scene because I didn't get it how did Duncan find them uh find who Duncan found our team Paul and mum yeah he found them uh I think Dr. Yui put a tracker inside the uh the frame kid like oh I have a tracker and right before they leave the tent it starts beeping so they knew someone was near okay um dude was Duncan aware of that or uh I guess it's emergency thing maybe I don't know how it works that's all they say it's like a tracker and they say oh someone is near let's clean out my immediate thought was like what it's what if it's a bad guy because if there's a tracker that can make it so that people can find them what stops the Hakanans from finding them yeah that's what I was trying to say yeah yeah because I was unclear on that um I was like isn't a treatise beacon that could be I'm not I don't have the the exact dialogue in my mind uh could be specific beacon for treatise people like that could be I can see that being a thing did Dr. Yui did he tell Duncan about this uh no I don't think that I think they just Duncan would have had to have figured that out on his own then yeah I there would be very bad if Dr. Yui would have told him I'm about to fuck this whole plan it up also here's a beacon it's like wait a minute what you don't have to use caps lock right you're gonna be fine but secondly only a treatise can tune into that signal what are you talking about that doesn't make any sense at all that doesn't make any sense at all what the frequency is or what does that mean let's see let's see what the answer will be uh I'm just looking at the scene with subtitles so apparently Dr. Yui left the thing and yeah okay here I have the dialogue if anyone so Dr. Yui put a letter inside of the the kid and it says if anyone makes it out of Arakina life there's a treatise beacon in the frame kid but I that's just the same thing that we there was a beacon that is in a treatise beacon so only they can find it yeah I guess that's what we're trying to say it's like a treatise scheme that only a treatise uses that's that's what I think they meant with that it would be really bad if when they seized that city that there was any information that could help them figure out like level sub-communication with the treatise beacons or anything it's lucky Dr. Yui didn't tell them anything about that or anybody else under threat of his wife being killed and stuff I don't know fine that just not very impressive I don't know it's something it's not great but it's better than nothing I'll give you that they say it's in a treatise beacon so I yeah I know that radios have various frequencies but like if people can figure that stuff out that's a concern always right like the people could figure out what the frequency is and then find out what you're communicating for sure yeah um that's not possible so then you realize we're an hour and 42 minutes so you're like oh boy we've got not a huge amount of film left so maybe we should mention in between Rex lost power and we don't know w