In this episode of Mind Pump the World's Top Fitness Health and Entertainment Podcast, we answer health and fitness questions asked by listeners and viewers just like you. But the way we open the episode is by talking about current events. We mentioned scientific studies. We talk about our own personal lives. Today's episode, 35 minutes. The first 35 minutes was that intro portion. After that, we got into the fitness questions. I'm going to give you a breakdown of the whole episode. We open up by talking about new conspiracy theories. If you're a conspiracy theory fan, like me and Justin, this is the best time ever. This is harvesting season. There's a Wayfair conspiracy theory that's really crazy. We talk about that. Then we talk about the UFC. It was an incredible card. Adam Washington said it was a great fight. Totally missed out on that one. Then I talked about Goya foods and the controversy around them and how the boycott seems to have backfired with them. Then we talked about the Washington Redskins. Don't know what we're going to call them soon because they're going to be changing their name. We talked about art and how much we value it. Justin had an experience with a bark beetle. Scary bastards. I talked about the drunk guy in Carmel who gave me a compliment. We talked about a study on the most effective way to lower cholesterol if you have familiar hypercholesterolemia. I think I said that right. Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first one. What are some of the best moves for building the biceps and triceps? The next question, can you make gains on a three-day-a-week workout routine? The third question, what do we think of the Jefferson deadlift? This is a weird exercise. You might need to look it up if you've never heard of it, but we give our thoughts on it. The final question, when we were all kids, what did we want to be when we grew up? Also this month, MAPS Strong is 50% off. 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You know it's my favorite time of the week. We've got two winners for Apple Podcasts, two winners for Facebook. The winners for Apple Podcasts are Crusherman0826. I'll crush it. And stockliving. For Facebook, we have Angela Romero and Zach Nolden. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Justin, what a great time for conspiracy theorists. Wow, it's like a heyday out there.  Have you guys seen, did you guys see the Wayfair? I can't watch anymore. I can't.  I keep saying that because I don't want to become a crazy person or anything, but it's like my wife and kids are gone this week. They're going on vacation and I'm at home and I'm just, oh my God, look at all this information. It's right here. So here's how the story develops. Somebody on Reddit sees something very strange. They go on the Wayfair site, which Wayfair sells a lot of home products, sometimes there's third parties in there. Right, shelving, tables, all that stuff. Yeah, just like kind of like Amazon, right? And this person notices that there are these cabinets, regular cabinets, that you would put your books or whatever in. And some of them are being sold for like 10, $15,000, which is weird. Wow. And it's not just one, there's several of them. So that's kind of strange. Exotic hardwood. Yeah, and every single one is the price doesn't make any sense. There's one left in stock for each of them. And then to make it even weirder, the cabinet would have a strange name on it, like Annabelle cabinet, Samaya cabinet. And they're all the same. They're all like these white cabinets. Could have been like, this is very weird. Yeah, why is this one so much more expensive? Yeah. And so then this person, and this is the thing about the internet that I love, it's like they're the best detectives of all time. Not necessarily because they're accurate, but because they'll make a connection with something. So then they connect the names of these cabinets to missing children. So it's like Samaya cabinet, $15,000. And then boom, they'll find a missing thing for a girl named Samaya, whatever. Who's 15 years old? 15 years old. Yeah, you can see Annabelle five or like five years old. Yeah. And so it's like, oh my, is this true? This is too crazy for me to take in right now.  This one was getting some mainstream attention. And then Wayfair came out and said, no, no, no, that's... Oh, that's not true. That's not true because it's a mistake and they started taking them down. So at first everybody was like, it's just a crazy glitch or whatever. But the internet sleuths. But it keeps going. It kept going to work. And they found pillows, throw rugs. Because at first what Wayfair said is they said that the cabinets are industrial great. Oh, they're priced that way. It's $10,000 because it's a special cabinet. So everybody was like, it's all good. Yeah. And it keeps moving on to a lot of these other types of businesses that sell goods online. They're starting to find a lot of these similar items that are being sold and you're questioning, why is this so expensive? Dude, what's happening?  I've never seen a pillow that costs, unless it's like encrusted in diamonds, or it contains a child, is going to cost them. So it's really, really weird. And now they're finding it on Amazon. They're finding those. And then when they're looking at the comments underneath some of the stuff, it's kind of creepy. Someone else took this like a SKU, put it on this like Russian search engine, and it had like very like weird pictures. Completely different. Yeah.   Well, yeah, it's crazy.  Like they use their own code. They find ways of like using other platforms like this to like actually get away with this kind of stuff. To launder the money. Yeah. You know? So this is... So it's either money laundering or it's a child trafficking. Right. There's something going on. Two things that, okay, so I went down the rabbit hole as well. Did you? Yes, I did. And the two things that seemed weird to me, that don't add up, I should say. One, the girl who found this, okay, the girl you talked about on Twitter, do you know that like this is like part of what she does, right? Is she looks for like... Yeah, she's one of those people, right? Yeah. So that already is fishy to me, right? The other thing that doesn't add up to me is that the photos don't align with every other photo that's on Wayfair. So Wayfair, if you look at every normal piece of furniture, is shot professionally with a type of camera and uploaded a certain way. And those are not. So that to me screams like... Dr. Yeah, exactly. Right. Dr. Photoshopped, whether that be from the people that found it and then, you know, fake screenshotted it or whatever and then Photoshopped it or somehow got hacked that even Wayfair wasn't even a part of all this. Well, there's third parties on there.  And they found this too, even in YouTube, where they found a way that the pedophiles were talking and communicating to each other in the comments section. This is true. That's true. And so it's like, it's not a huge leap to think that something like this could happen using other platforms. Dude, I saw one guy who he, because I tell you these people are crazy, right? These conspiracy theories. I don't mean necessarily crazy, although a lot of them are. I mean crazy in that they find crazy details. One guy was zooming in on the pictures of some of these things that were for sale, like a pillow or whatever.  So they'll post a picture of a pillow or post a picture of a bed that's for, you know, 20 grand. And then in the background, you'll see like a bookshelf. So he zoomed in on the books that were in the back and through using this, there's apparently there's a website that you can post a picture to that you find. And it'll show you if the pixelations match and you could see if something's photoshopped. So he used that website and he says these books were photoshopped. So they changed the titles of these books. Oh, see. No, the titles that were on there, that were on the wafer site, were the ones that look like they, they changed. And they were changed to the, I forgot the name of the books, but these are creepy books about like murder, child, you know, abduction. Like he's like, they're signaling to each other is what his, his theory was. Dude, it was a, it was a bad weekend. Let me tell you. Yeah. I was going to have this. Yeah, dude. Well, the fact that we got caught in there, the fact that wafer had to speak out and then what they said. Yeah, what they said was, that was fishy to me too. The response was kind of, because the original response was almost like, they tried to justify the price of these cabinets. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, like, why not be like, oh, we're going to investigate this? Or why not just be like, I don't know what this is. Yeah. I don't know what this is. We didn't post that. Cause that's what doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me that everything else on the website looks professionally shot and had like the as is, if it had to be an approved by wafer to be put up on them. Well, this is unverified, but I'm going to say it anyway. Somebody on there was like claiming that they worked at Oh, I read some of these. Wafer, yeah. Right. So this was another sort of a theory that there was like a diamond group or a platinum group that handled more of the bigger accounts. So like the goods that were like more expensive than the regular items, that they would like manicure and basically have all the talking and exchanging those goods like internally within that, you know, sort of platinum group. The rest of everybody that worked there didn't even, they'd have to just pass it along. And so then they would like handle it. This is where this gets crazy now, right? Doug, how many people have worked for Wayfair? I'm guessing tens of thousands. Oh, it's a huge company. Right.  That used to work. They're piling on. Right. So now I'm reading all these things of people saying like, Oh my God, there was actually boxes that were labeled ASAP and we had to move them within an hour or so else and they weighed about 110 pounds. And I bring that up to save everybody from going down that hole. I saw one that was really weird. There was one that were, they were paintings or pictures and they were like children's pictures.  There were three of them. And it was, I don't remember what the price was. Something didn't make any sense. Like $15,000 for these three pictures. Then the three pictures, when the person looked at the specs and it's literally, they're like, I don't know, 14 inches by 50, it's like a small, three small pictures that you would put up on the wall. Then in the specs, one of them weighed 25 pounds. And I have the one way, 36.7 pounds. The guy's like, how do these weigh that much unless they're trying to show you? And I was like, oh no, this could get, you could go down this rabbit hole and everything can make you feel like this is true. I mean, I'm glad people are looking into stuff like this though. Even if it's not like all completely verified, like there's probably some instances where, this could happen. This is a likely scenario. Well, the one of the week, because the internet is so decentralized and a lot of these companies are really just kind of middlemen, right? Like Amazon, right? They or YouTube, like YouTube hosts videos.  Yeah, how do you manage all that? You can't, right? So they put in algorithms to notice certain things or whatever. But technically, if you're smart, you could get around it. And people have done this, like what Justin said with pedophiles communicating in the comments. They proved that to be a real thing. YouTube had to go in and investigate. It's not totally unreasonable to think that they would launder money this way. Wayfarer doesn't work this way though. Wayfarer is not like an Amazon or anybody. I thought they did have third parties. No, I don't think so. If I'm not mistaken. No, I don't think so. Oh, that would suck, because that would mean that they were in on. Well, that's just it. That's why it's again weird and fishy to me, because it's not a site like that. It's not a site where you can bring your furniture and sell it on there. It doesn't work that way. It's all Wayfarer stuff. It is. Yeah, oh yeah. It's just like living spaces. I have a bunch of Wayfarer stuff in my house. No kids came in a box.  As far as I know, it's all their brand, just like living spaces has theirs. Now, what I will tell you, which here's a part that's weird for me, because I'm not the conspiracy guy. Yeah, you're not like Justin and I. Yeah, you guys are way more. No, we need somebody to balance this out. But here's the thing that is weird though. Oh, no, it says here that you can sell on Wayfarer. That people can sell their own stuff on Wayfarer. The thing that I tripped out on, and I told, I remember the first time that, so this was just three years ago. Three years ago, when we moved, I told Katrina, I don't want to bring anything up that we have. So we like literally, you guys remember, like why? We sold everything. Sold everything and then got all new stuff. And everything that we bought from was living spaces in Wayfarer. And up to that point, I wasn't very familiar with the companies. So we go there. And there's one over here in Fremont. There's another one over, I think, in like Dublin area. We have like two or three near the Bay Area. And I went to these places. Now, have you guys been to one of these before? I have. And what you said made perfect sense back then. I remember what you said. Yes, it's enormous. It doesn't even, it makes Costco look like a little liquor store. Yeah.  I mean, they're just, the property, to own that property in the Bay Area, has to be bajillions of dollars just to own it. A number we never heard of. And then, yeah. And then you walk in and it's filled.  Football field lengths of furniture from, I mean, it's just like, how much capital do you have to have? I know.  You said it on the podcast. You're like, I don't know how they make money. Yeah. How do they profit, you know, with all that, because that's a lot of sunk capital. That's a lot of investment. Yeah. You've got to have big, now I know that they're worldwide. I know they're massive. I know they started on the East Coast. So this could have been a company that's slowly grown and under me never knowing who the hell they were until recently coming over to California. But man, I remember seeing it going, this just doesn't add up to me. Well, somebody connected them to the Clinton Foundation and how they worked with the Clinton Foundation, which the Clinton Foundation, according to the conspiracy theorists, connects to all these. Oh, man. Dude, look at, this is the truth now. This is not a conspiracy theory. The amount of people being investigated and arrested in sex trafficking, human trafficking, has exploded over the last four years. What's that group? Okay, there was that one actress from Smallville who was helping that dude. Is it Nexium? What was the name of that group? Is it Nexium? Yeah, Nexium. They used to brand these women. They actually had women recruiting these women for basically to network powerful women and CEOs and like in tech. So this is real. Okay, so if you don't believe me, you can pause the podcast, look this up. They've been, they're going to jail. Like there was a group. Yeah, it was a cult called Nexium. And one of the actresses from Smallville, I forgot her name, Blonde Girl or whatever, was part of it. She actually would recruit for this guy. And they would bring in these girls and promise them that they'd get, you'd get in on the Hollywood action or whatever. But you'd have to provide us with compromising photos or videos. This is how they use the blackmail them. Right.  There it is. Alison Mack is her name. She's arrested. So they've been, not only, they are for sure going to jail for this. This is a real thing. Yeah. So here's the other crazy part of it. And so these are all, all these women that were connected to this and they're all coming forward and saying that they got branded, literally branded. They brand them right like, you know, in the inner thigh or like pelvic bone.   Well, here's the crazier part. The Nexium group owned 11 child cares in Mexico. Facilities. And so now they're investigating these childcare facilities. And they're saying, were they using this as a way to kidnap or who knows? Disgusting.  And this is real. This is not a conspiracy theory.   There we are. Did you guys, any of you guys watch the UFC this weekend? No. Okay. The greatest UFC card ever. Really? No way. Yes. Epic. Now who fought? Three title fights. Even the, even the, the fights on the undercard were just every single fight was amazing. It was just a great fight. Now here's the part that we're about, I don't know, halfway through it. And, and I was teasing Katrina because she was like multitasking. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, these fights are incredible.  And she keeps getting on her phone doing work and stuff. She goes, I don't know what it is. And I'm all without the fans. So this is the part that was trippy. And they, I commend UFC. They did an incredible job. I got to look up. Maybe Doug can look up the UFC. I think it's UFC 251 was the number. What it was on pay-per-view streams, how it did. Because I imagine with nothing going on in sports, most people besides you two knuckleheads were probably watching it. And it was the most amazing card that Dana has probably put together ever. But because there was no crowd, so you could hear, now I liked it. So you could hear the punches. Oh, and you could hear the coaches, every, the coaches yelling and talking to them. It reminds you of like, if you obviously you guys have watched the UFC, the show, right? Yeah, the reality show. Yeah, tough for whatever, whatever contender or whatever. So it was like that because you could hear everything. And then afterwards I thought it was a cool feature when the fight was over, because they don't have Joe Rogan in the ring interviewing or doing anything like that. They would actually get on the headset. So the fighter who won afterwards, get on the headset and talk about his fight afterwards. And the fights were good. And the fights were amazing. But I have to say that even as amazing the fights were, I didn't get that same rush of energy because you had these fights that were, I mean, just so good. And I was told to Katrina when we got into, I was like, you know, I can envision what would the crowd, they would be like, oh, ah, you would hear the whole crowd. Normally, because the fight was so close and so good, and none of that. What did that do for like the finishing?  Right. And then that pumps up the fighter to then pile on. Did it affect how they were like fighting? So that's hard to say, right? You'd have to ask the fighter what it was like for them. I would imagine as a fighter, you probably appreciated it, right? It was quiet. You could hear your coach. I would, I personally, because I've competed and I've competed in front of crowds and the crowd plays a factor because you're, you can either be anxious or now people are watching you or maybe it drives you. Right. It fuels you, yeah. I always performed better when there wasn't a crowd because I didn't feel like I was being watched. Yeah, yeah. So I imagine it favors some and then it hurts others, right? I imagine if it was a Conor McGregor fighting, he thrives off the crowd, right? So he feeds off of that energy, right? Where if you're somebody who's maybe an underdog or maybe you're not as popular and you get more nervous with everybody yelling and stuff like that, now you can just be laser focused. You can hear your coach giving you cues. It definitely made for incredible fights whether that was the pairing that Dana did at such a good job on or not. But as a spectator, they were great. And what I wonder is, man, if they had a crowd behind that, how much more would I have been excited about this fight? And if they were not great fights, how much of a, like a... It's the reason why old sitcoms had a laugh track in the background. Right, right. I thought of the exact same thing, actually.  Yeah, yeah. Like here would every, oh, ah, every time a punch happens. We do. We get jazzed by the crowd. You know, we feel like we're a part of something and it changes the feeling of it. Who fought? Put the card up, Doug. Put UFC 251 up on the screen. Is that one guy? What's his last name, Mendevel, or what's his name? Hispanic dude, long hair. Did he fight? Oh, right. Yeah, he stepped in. He wasn't supposed to fight. That was the main event, right? The main event, he stepped in for, oh my God, I can't think of the name right now. Pull up the card, Doug, so we can go through every single fight and I'll tell you how it went down. Okay, yeah.  And I can't remember his name. Jorge? No, it's, M-A-Y is his last name. I didn't know much about him. My cousin was talking about him. He was supposed to be the underdog that was going to upset him and that fight could have went either way when he watched it. It was such a good fight. Let's see here. Just do UFC 251 card. There you go. There you go. So, Uzman fought him. There he is right there. Oh, M-A-S, sorry, not M-A-Y. Oh, yeah, no, no. Jorge. Oh, okay. You see it on the right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy. Mazvedal, Mazvedal. Okay, so did you guys know how he first got kind of discovered? So, I know he's been like a long time fighter and he's just exploded in the last year or two. That's why I didn't know who he was. So, do you guys remember those YouTube videos with Kimbo Slice and he's fighting in the backyard in Miami? Okay. So, Kimbo Slice, that's how he made his, that's how he got popular, right? Jorge was, I think that's Jorge, I'm pronouncing it right. He was a street fighter. So, Kimbo Slice organized some fights that didn't involve him and he was one of the guys that the video went crazy. It went viral because he walks in and he's like off the streets. He fights another dude that's real tough and he was just, he was brutal. Oh, he was a badass.  So, he comes in, right? Jorge comes in with a, I think it was like a two-week notice, something crazy, drops 20-something pounds to come to fight him. Wow, in two weeks. Yeah, and it was a great fight. Holy moly. New diet coming out soon. The two-week, 20-pound diet. And same thing for the second one was amazing fight. I actually thought that Max Holloway actually won the fight. He didn't. Those are all, those are all. Aldo lost again, huh? All three of those are title fights. Oh, wow. So, that guy, Jorge, he came out in defense. Did you guys hear about the whole thing with Goya Foods? Did you hear what happened? I didn't. So, Goya Foods is a privately owned company owned by the grandchildren of Spanish immigrants. So, it's like an American success story, right? And they make, you've seen Goya Foods. They make all kinds of Hispanic-based foods. Very, very popular. One of the number one selling providers in America of Hispanic foods, loved by many families. I bought a lot of the products. But anyway, this guy comes out and he speaks, I think Trump was doing a speech or something, and he comes out and praises Donald Trump, really. Says how much, what a great leader is and all this and that. Well, huge backlash, right? So, the left calls for a boycott on Goya Foods speaking out in support of Donald Trump. And they start this whole thing about boycotting them. Well, it seems to have totally backfired because the opposite effect happened with people and Hispanics supporting Goya Foods because it's an immigrant-owned company. They like the food. And the guy comes out and is like, look, here's why I support them. So, agree or disagree. But I should be able to say what I want without people going crazy, whatever. So, they're actually getting more sales, it seems, as a result of this back. I think people, yeah, and I don't necessarily think people agree or disagree. I think people might be sick of the boycotting companies. Especially if they have good products. It's tough at the end of the day. Like politics get involved, and then all of a sudden now, we can't enjoy products we used to. Well, so what I did when this all started, I saw this and I kind of predicted, I'm like, do you guys remember when I was trying to look them up and seeing if they were publicly traded? Okay, so when this all happened, I'm like, I bet you, because what a difficult company to attack. First of all, he didn't really say anything that was that crazy. Plus, it's an immigrant-owned Hispanic company. I'm like, I bet this is gonna backfire. So, I went on to see if they were publicly traded.  They're a privately-owned company, so. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Well, DCC too, in terms of that whole cancel culture kind of stuff. Like the Washington Redskins are gonna be officially changing their name. Do they say what they're gonna change their name to? No, that's why I was gonna throw that out there and speculate. Like I wonder what they're gonna pivot to and what kind of name options are out there even for them.  Because how would you know? They wouldn't change it completely. Right. I would think, yeah, they would try to keep some semblance of what it used to be. Yeah. No, I don't think they would. They would call the Washington Matives. No, it's just like how the bullets went to the wizards.  You think so? Yeah, yeah, I would think. The Washington Whiteskins? Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna do that. They'll do something else. That wouldn't work for them. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's how it's gonna go. You know what I'm saying? Well, you know what, now do you guys think that this is going... Because they have a long pedigree, right? Isn't that company, I mean, hasn't that team been around forever? Yeah, I mean, they've been trying to change that name since like 2000 or earlier than that. So this has been a discussion for a long time. It was the same time that the bullets switched over to the wizards. So that was a big deal, right? Oh, because it was a bullet? Yes. Oh my gosh. So the bullet...  At the same time, they were coming after the Washington Whiteskins and trying to get them to change. And so, and of course, this is what's going on with the climate right now.  That's a man, you know. Oh God. I don't know.  Yeah, warlocks. Yeah, exactly. Well, now what do you guys think? Do you guys think the market is going to punish them or is going to reward them for this change? What do you guys think? I don't know because I feel like there... It seems like there's this real even split in our country right now of people that are for this type of stuff and then people that are not. So I guess the better question is, are there more NFL supporters that fall in line with that than that don't, right? Because I really... Don't you feel like that?  I think that... I don't mind if things get changed this way. I mind when they get changed by mob and vandal and then because that's just... There's a proper way to do it. I don't mind. I'm just curious to see what the market's going to say because it seems like the NFL is trying to stay ahead of this kind of scrutiny. So they're making changes ahead of people. There's a lot of silly ones out here. This one actually is... I mean, redskins, it's kind of... Yeah, I could see where people get offended by that. Yeah, but it would be interesting because you figure... I'm not a big sports fan, but I have family members that are and the ones that are hardcore fans are deep. Like they're deep fans. Like I have fans that are... I have family members that are 49er fans where it's like when the baby's first 1Z is a 49er thing and their house has stuff in there that's 49er and it's their aunts and uncles and grandparents. It's like a religion. So because the redskins have been around since 1930, whatever, I wonder if there's these hardcore fans. Oh, they're going to be pissed. Yeah, for sure. It is a tribal thing.   So yeah, the hardcore's are going to not be happy about the smell. What'd you guys do this weekend, by the way? Did you guys have a good weekend? Well, it was relaxing, dude. It was hot here. Oh, you had no AC. It was real hot. No, no, no. My AC's been falling out. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's been fixed for a while. We went out to the beach though. We drove down there for a day, hung out. It was beautiful down there. Yeah, we went to Carmel because Jessica's like, we have a spot on our wall. She's been moving, you know, when you're, I guess when you're pregnant, you want to change everything in the house. So, no, she's done a lot of good, she's done a lot of good things, but this is definitely an instinctual thing, right? But she, there was a space on the wall and she wants, she's like, hey, wouldn't it be fun to put a piece of art on the wall?   Well, Carmel has some really cool spots. Well, so I'm like, okay, you know, I could do that. I guess we could do that, you know. There's a bulldog piece at one of them. Did you go to all the art places? We went to all the ones we could find and we're walking in and I'm looking at, and nothing really spoke to us, luckily because like eight grand. Oh yeah, 10, 20 even. Yeah, I'm like, did you go in this, there's one that there's a guy who paints and he's got this bulldog, he has bulldog art. I know, I walked in there. Did you see it? Uh-huh. I want that, that bridge is a big tall piece. Yeah, how much was that? Oh, it's like 12,000 dollars. No, no, no, it's like 20 something.  Yeah, I want that piece so bad. I don't like art that much. You know what I'm saying? I saw, we're looking at it, I'm like, I don't know, babe, this stuff's real. Nothing really spoke to us, but you know, I'm trying to think, what would be a price that I would be willing to pay? Well, the thing though, wouldn't be eight grand. When you get, yeah, but here's the thing with art, right? It's, you know, it tees me all you want with the sneakers and stuff like that, but they hold value. And especially pieces like that, if you have an artist who, it's a one of a kind, there's no more replicas of it or any other pieces out there, there's replicas, but there's no other real pieces like that. You know, if, as long as he's a good artist and that you continue to hold that piece, it ain't going to go get cheaper. Sure. And if you were ever hard up, you should be able to sell that piece of art for what you bought it for, or potentially more. So it's just tying up $20,000 on your wall. It's just hard to justify sometimes. Yeah, yeah. It would have to, it would have to really, really communicate to me for me to spend, you know, even a thousand dollars. Like the dogs playing poker, like I get it. That's fun. It has to be something I put up and, you know, I look at it and it's like, oh, this affects me. You know what I mean? I'm glad I spent $1,000, $20,000. The painting needs to talk to me and tell me secrets. So not just a bunch of splatters. Well, I guess there's that area that you have to understand. So if it's something that's $1,000 or under $1,000, the likelihood that it holds its value or maybe worth something five, 10 years from now is probably not. I'm just saying, if I spent $20,000 on a painting, I want the magic mirror from Sleeping Beauty or whatever. You know what I mean? I want to put it up and be like, what are the lottery numbers? Did you see like at the beaches, like how filled they are now? Oh man, so I was in San Cruz and we like saw that and we actually got to go to this. This one restaurant I love like finally opened up. Again, we were like the second customer for them. So that was cool. And I was like hanging out with Courtney with that, but we went to the pool that just opened up close to us and just the residents were able to go, but they had like such like, let me take your temperature. Like we had like little sections by ourselves. We had to wear the mask and everything and then we'd go in. But there was this one spot where it catches all the bugs and stuff. And I was swimming in there and this bug floated right past me into that little drain thing.  In the pool? Oh, yeah. Have you ever heard of bark beetles? Yeah, they are. Dude, I've never seen one. I was like, is this from Africa? What is this thing? You know, like prehistoric bug, man. And then I saw another one like at my house. Like that night it flew. I'm like, is something happening? Is there like, you know, murder hornets now to bark beetles? What's happening? What are those bugs that if you step on them, they smell really bad? Oh, the stink bugs. Stink bugs. That makes sense. It's pretty obvious. Yeah.  Is that real? Yeah. Does that really happen? Yeah, they do it. Like and some of them spray you.  Beetles in a pool though would have probably turned me off. I would have been out of that pool pretty fast. Yeah, man. I was like, where'd this come from? And then I showed Courtney and she almost like passed out. Oh, dude, while we were walking in Carmel, you know, there's lots of people outside or whatever and we're walking back to the car and there's these dudes walking towards us. And you know, I think when you once you reach a certain age, you can sense that as a guy is walking towards you, he's going to say something. You know what I mean? Like there's going to be some, I can just feel it. Right. So these dudes are walking towards us and they look like they're probably late 30s.  You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Kind of red and bloated. And they had the puffy Ed Hardy shirt on. So they like they'd never left. No lat syndrome. Yeah. Super lat syndrome or whatever that they never left. They know the 90s or whatever. So they're walking towards us. One guy's got his arm around the other guy. I'm like, oh, they're drunk. They're going to say something. Sure enough, dude walks by. He's staring at me and I turn around and you know, I'm pretty good at diffusing situations.  He's like, and he goes to hug me. He's like, bro, come give me a hug, dude. I'm like, nah, I'm social distancing, dude. Let me give you a fist bump. Like that's the weirdest thing ever. I had it. It wasn't like that. Like that's that's pretty amazing. Jessica was like, what the hell's going on? That's something to be proud of right there. I'm going to be honest with you. But I was at the gas station with Courtney. We were about ready to go over the hill and there was this guy like in an old, like a Mustang 5.0 that was like sick. It was all tricked out and everything. And like the guy was so great. He had those like those glasses that were like kind of rainbow, like mirrored out. You know those are back in style, right? Oh my God. He has spiky hair. It was like a flashback. He might as well have pukashells on. That's all coming back right now. Yeah. Wow. The big like the like, do you remember Oakley's the Oakley razor blades? Yes. Yeah. And the big mirror glasses. Yeah, that's so popular.  No, he didn't. I swear to God. And so he starts driving by like close to where I was like filling up and I'm looking at him and I'm like, oh my God, this guy.  And he's like, yeah, brother. Like, yeah. And then like peels out right from me. Was he young or was he old? He was a young guy. Yeah, yeah. He was a young guy. I was like 20s. And then I'm in there like, and I'm joking with Courtney, like we're joking about it. And I'm, you know, this DB over here. And the kids heard me say that. And they're like, what's DB, dad? Oh, where'd he go? What's DB?  Or do you have to tell them? No, so I actually. Doughnut bite or something? No, we told them it's like, this is something we only say within, you know, our family. But it's a really funny, because we called it out. We're like, it's douchebag. And they're like, well, we didn't explain what it was or anything. But like, you know, they had a great time saying it because it's like, this is a funny word. Just wait till you get a call from the teacher. I know.  Dude, what was it? Who was that football player played for the Raiders? It was a big in the 90s. White dude blonde hair flat top would get the lines. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, you're talking about this. They did a whole 3030 on him. He looked like that, right? Like what Justin's. Oh, Roman Aske. Roman Aske. Is that who it is? Yeah, yeah.  I think so. No, he was a mean player, man. Hey, before we transition to the questions, a cool study just came out about the most effective way to lower cholesterol when you have familial hypercholestemia, which is cholesterol lemia. This is a condition that this is the one condition that you really need to tend to treat because the cholesterol so, so high that it really, really causes problems when people measure like a cholesterol number of like 500 or 600 or whatever. And in the past, they've recommended that they low, that they dramatically reduce cholesterol containing foods and saturated fats. Well, an international team of experts on heart disease and diet said that there's no evidence that a low saturated fat diet reduces cholesterol. Instead, you know what they recommended? Low carb diet. They said a low carb, low sugar diet is far more effective according to their research of all the studies at lowering cholesterol. So kind of cool, right? Nice. Yeah. First question is from Retep Oncald. What are some of the best moves for building bicep and triceps size and strength? Oh yeah, good old biceps and triceps work them arms. So we can, most people understand bicep and tricep exercises as isolation movements and most people would say, or magazines or internet articles would say something like, barbell curls for biceps, skull crushes for triceps. You know, those free weight isolation exercises are good for building mass in those two muscles. However, I don't think they build nearly as much muscle as a compound exercise would for those two areas. And this is something that I learned later on in my career. I understood this with legs. If you were to compare the biceps and triceps to your legs, which would be maybe your quadriceps or like your hamstrings or like your triceps, right? And your hamstrings would be like your biceps. What are the best exercises for quads? None of them include isolation exercises, all these compound lifts like barbell squats and you know, front squats and that kind of stuff. Same thing is true for biceps and triceps. You know, palms up or supinated grip, pull ups or chin ups, really focusing on squeezing the biceps. Amazing exercise for building the biceps. A pull up, but it really works the biceps really well and you're obviously using a lot more weight because it's compound lift. And then for triceps like a closed script bench press or dips, those will build more strength and muscle than any other isolation exercise I can think of. We did a whole episode on these. So if this is someone new to listening to the podcast and we touch on that among other things on the episode. The other thing is like frequency, right? So, you know, I agree the biggest thing or best exercise ever that puts size on my triceps were, and I prefer incline so, but I mean closed script bench press. And it's just, it's simple. If you do skull crushers or you do these isolation exercises, just look at how much weight you can do with those.   Yeah, the same person would do 225. Right, right. So you can just load it way more. And then just learning to focus on using the triceps more than your delts or your chest when you do an exercise like that. And then back to what I was, my point with frequency, it's just increasing the frequency that you're hitting those muscle groups. I think that's normally the go to before I get into like major exercise selection. Very, very rare that it's like somebody who's trying to grow their buys and tries and they haven't tried all these different exercises. It's normally that their programming just needs some work. And normally it's somewhere where you increase frequency is what ends up helping the most.  But it's about creating the loudest signal with that. So the most forced demand. So I have to be able to recruit quite a bit more muscle fibers throughout my body to produce one of these compound lifts or one of these other more involved type exercises. And that adds up, your muscles, even on the individual level, your muscles get benefit from that and tend to respond quite more substantially than just these isolated exercises. And if you look at like the program, so MAPS Aesthetic is a good example of like when you're trying to target a muscle group and develop it, right? That whole program is designed around picking a muscle group that you want to develop more. And if you unpack the programming, there's, you know, you have your three foundational days where you're doing these major compound lifts. And then we have what are called focus days, which are on the opposite days where you're doing that more isolation. So the cable push downs, this basic dumbbell curls, the isolation type of exercises as volume builders on the other two days.  If you do that, they're going to grow, you know, especially if you're doing it well and programming it well with good compound exercises and then isolation exercises to complement that. Yeah. So here's a good example. I'm going to give you a generic kind of good tricep and bicep workout. So, you know, for biceps, you could do your supinated grip pull-ups, really focusing on the bicep squeeze at the top. Start with that. And the next exercise would be like a barbell curl and then maybe a hammer curl. Great mass building, muscle building combo right there. For triceps, I would do either weighted dips or close grip bench press to start with. Then you could do a skull crusher, which is, you know, the technical term is a lying tricep extension. And then an overhead tricep extension. Great combination. Those three exercises do them in the order I just said. And for a lot of you listening, it'll elicit some pretty good results. Next question is from Eli Hall 00. Can you make gains on a three-day-a-week workout schedule? Oh, 80% of you listening right now, at least 80% of you listening right now will make the best gains on a three-day-a-week workout schedule. A full-body, three-day-a-week routine for most people and compare it to all the other body parts split and five-day and six-day-a-week routines, 80% percent or more of you will do better on the full-body three-day-a-week routine. And I remember when this became glaringly obvious to me, it was, again, later in my career. And I figured this out for my clients well before I figured it out for myself. For some reason, and I think a lot of trainers fall prey to this, you think that you're different. Well, it doesn't really apply to me.  But I would get these advanced clients that would hire me, especially as it became more experienced. And I had good referrals and people who were experienced who had good exercise knowledge would come hire me and they'd been working out already. And oftentimes, I would start them on a three-day-a-week routine. And one of the reasons why I would do that was my schedule was kind of full. And it was better for me to train more people three days a week than it was to train less people at five days a week. And the other part was I had this philosophy where let me try this and see how this works. If it doesn't work, then we'll try something else. And every single time, the three-day-a-week full-body routine produced the best gains that they'd ever seen. And when I finally applied it to myself was when I looked at old bodybuilding and muscle-building publications. I mean, old, way back at the turn of the century, early 1900s and the 1920s, 1930s, back when strongmen and strength athletes didn't take steroids or supplements or anything, they all worked out this way. Steve Reeves worked out this way. John Grimmick worked out this way. Looked them up, you'll see for yourself what they look like. These guys were natural for most of their career. So I remember I applied it to myself, and I'm glad I applied it to myself later in my career because after you train for about six, seven years consistently, you know right away when something works. And I remember the first time I did it, I got stronger right away. And I was like, holy cow, this is the way most people work real well. Yeah, it's just funny because I fell into that trap of more is better, more is better. And that was just something that was always reiterated to me from my coaches and whatever work you put in, you're gonna get back tenfold. And so to fall back, I would always fall back into this three day a week regimen because what I did in between, and we have to differentiate between the workouts of this three days versus what you do in between. And I'm still working out technically the days in between, but it's all to foster recovery. And so it's a very different mentality and it's very different exercises and movements. But in terms of the overall intensity of demanding workout, keeping that three days with space in between tend to provide the best results for me and my clients. Anytime I'd add four or five, it was in excess. Well, I think there's several reasons for that. First of all, I wish I would have figured this out earlier. Oh, me too. I mean, I spent the first decade of lifting weights following every exercise program that was in muscle and fitness magazine or Justin's approach, which was more is better and just getting training intensely in more days and double days and thinking that the more I train, the more muscle I should build, right? And the truth is one of the best things I ever did was start scaling back and go in the other direction. And a couple of things happens and why I think that one, when you run like a five or six or seven day a week type of split and you split up your muscle groups, in order to hit each muscle two to three times a week, you have to be very consistent. You miss one of those days and it throws that off completely. So when you run a full body routine and it's only three days a week, one it's much easier to do three days a week, as far as making it to the gym or whatever, than it is five or six. So and if you were to technically miss one day, you still got two full body workouts, which hits every muscle group at least twice in that week. And even if you only got one day that week, at least you touched every single muscle group, which for me and when I looked back at my training consistency, it was just inevitable this happens. I go for two or three weeks and then I'd have an inconsistent week and then one muscle group would suffer. And normally what suffers is the thing that I didn't like doing the most, right? That's what we always tend to do. And then when I get back in the rhythm again, I go back to the things I like doing and then that muscle group that I'm lagging in continues to suffer. So I think that's one of the reasons. And there's another reason. When you have to train a muscle group three times in a week because you're doing full body, it also forces you whether you like it or not, eventually to kind of scale back on the intensity. You learn your lesson pretty quickly of overdoing it when you know you got to come back two days later and touch that muscle group again. So I think it naturally forces people to reduce the intensity of it, which is another thing that I think is over applied. And definitely for myself, and I think anybody in this room could attest to chasing that intensity and kind of crush the muscle group in the gym, you just can't do that and get away with that when you're training full body three times a week. So I think there's a lot more than just, oh, what it does for volume and what it does for frequency. I think it naturally benefits a lot of people for those reasons too. And so I think that's a lot of the success from them. There's one more thing I'd like to add and this is just my own theory. But when you work out, you get a localized muscle building effect that's directly related to the muscle that you're working. So if I work out my right bicep, I'm gonna get a loud muscle building signal that's applied to my right bicep. However, there's another interesting phenomena that happens. You also get this systemic milder muscle building effect that kind of happens throughout the whole body. Okay, they've proven this in studies. They've actually done studies where they have people work out one arm and most of the muscle gains and strength things happen in that arm, but the other arm mysteriously gains a little bit of muscle, a little bit of strength. Kind of weird.  If you've never done them before, you start introducing them and your legs start to get stronger and bigger. You start to notice gains in your upper body too, in your arms. Arms and shoulders. Yeah, what does this have to do with my arms and my shoulders? I'm just gonna put a bar on my back and I did squats. Now, full body workout sends a very loud, first off, there's a lot of direct muscle building signals happening in all the muscle groups that you're working, but because you're doing the whole body in a workout, you also enhance this very loud, total body muscle building signal. And I think that complements the muscle building signals that are more direct. I think when you combine the two, you maximize the muscle building signal.  And to this day, till this day. Now, there's lots of variations of this. If you follow any of our maps programs, all the muscle building ones, you'll find that almost all of them follow this kind of structure. There's three main workouts, two to three main workouts with other stuff in between, whether it be trigger sessions, focus sessions, or mobility work. But generally, the meat potatoes of the program is typically two or three days of full body workouts. And the reason why we did that is it just works. It works for most people. So, and by the way, right now, this is how I'm training. Right now, this is how I almost always train. If I have extra time, I do mobility work on the other days. I do hikes and walks and that kind of stuff. But my routine, the exercises may change, the reps may change, the tempo may change, maybe the goal may change. But my basic structure that I followed now for well over half of my lifting career is a three day a week full body routine. By the way, when Doug hired me, when I first met Doug years ago in his 40s, he had experience working out. He had lots of experience lifting weights on his own. He followed lots of other types of programming. When he hired me, here was a guy, not a beginner, got some experience, already relatively fit, hard gainer, fit the classic profile of a hard gainer. I trained him two days a week, full body two days a week. And in his late 40s made the best gains of his entire life. In fact, we have a before and after picture that if you scour his Instagram, Mind Pump Doug, or yeah, Mind Pump Doug, you'll be able to find it. Made the best gains of his life two days a week, not even three. Next question is from Jules Tillman. What do you think of the Jefferson deadlift? Are there benefits to straddling the bar for building deadlift strength? So this is, you guys know what this exercise is, right? Yeah, yeah, I had to look it up. At first I was confused with the Jefferson curl versus this, but then I was like, oh, that's what they call it. Yeah, it's a very odd lift. Being lean doesn't look like anything else. It's off-center, obviously. Here's some of the benefits I could see. Now, admittedly, I've never consistently trained this. I've never- I've never programmed it. Never programmed it consistently. But I've messed around with it. Based off of what I know of the human body, I would say it's definitely strengthening similar muscles that you would get with maybe a trap bar deadlift, but the difference is you're rotated. So it might help with strengthening a slightly rotated upper body while you lift, which might have some functional abilities in the real world when you're lifting a couch or moving things. One thing I would say is make sure you train both sides evenly. I could see this really causing problems. Was somebody favoring one side? Yeah, immediately it was what I was thinking in terms of asymmetry and addressing that. I've seen people create these types of exercises where they're loaded off-center, and it does help from a functional standpoint to be able to address this in everyday life because all these opportunities come up all the time. Like there's something heavy that you need to move, and the weight shifts on you, and training your body to react and adapt to that is I think is very beneficial.  So that would, where my mind would go, is like similar benefits to that with also the anti-rotational work with heavy weight as well. It looks to me like a sumo deadlift has married a barbell hack squat. That's kind of what I, when I look at it, that's what it, what it, the benefits that you get from sumo deadlifting and what you get from like a barbell hack squat kind of molded into one, one exercise. I don't see it having, the question is referring to a traditional or conventional deadlift. I don't see it having a lot of carry over to that because if you notice when you do the Jefferson deadlift, you're in a much more squatted position. It's much closer to the hack squat or the sumo deadlift than it is a conventional deadlift. So I don't see it doing a lot of carry over to a conventional deadlift. But like you guys, this is, I've messed around with this, but this has not made its way into like regular programming for me. If I were to do it with a client, this would be my client who just like, they love like unconventional lifts and functional training and challenging themselves. Do like bamboo bar stuff. Yeah, yeah. You know, they just, they, because like Sal was saying, there's a little bit of rotation in the upper body while you're having to stabilize that weight. And then it is challenging that way. That could have some good functional carry over. I'm not saying that that would be a bad exercise. I definitely wouldn't put it, if someone came to me and said, Adam, I want to get my conventional deadlift up. I saw these Jefferson deadlifts. I heard this could help that. I would not program that in that with that intention. It would be more of a fun, functional, unconventional exercise that I would put into a routine because I like to challenge my client that way. They like the challenge. So if you're asking the question like that, and you like really challenging exercises, then sure, I think there's nothing wrong with doing it. It was invented in the 1800s by a strong man. And the thing back then, strong men liked to, they would do these exhibitions. And the goal of the exhibition was to impress the audience. And they'd find weird ways of lifting a lot of weight. There's like a hip bridge type exercise that some would do where they put a board across their lap and then a horse would walk across it, or all these weird kind of lifts. A Jefferson deadlift balances weight between the front and the back of the body. So technically, if you get really good at it, biomechanically speaking, you should be able to lift a lot of weight with this because it's a little bit more balanced. You're not having to use so much of your low back and your back to support you. There's a lift in, I think it's in Scotland or Ireland called the Dinney Stones. I don't know if you guys have seen this. These two incredibly heavy stones, and that's kind of how they lift them, one in front, one in back, and they got to stand up with them. Yeah, their handles, it almost like they're in the rocks or the cement or whatever. Yeah, so lifting like this was around for a long time. It's just because it's offset and weird, and it lost popularity, but I'm gonna mess around with it a little bit. I'd love to report back on how I felt. Next question is from CarlosVelazquez.us. When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up? A podcaster. Yeah, I knew I wanted to be on any of the podcasters. Nailed it. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? Living the dream. Well, I was really young. Who's the way, before we answer, because I don't know your answers, who do you think is gonna be the most different from what we ended up doing? Oh, the most different. I think you... Probably you. Really? Yeah, I think you. Oh, I would think Justin would be like that. You think me? Yeah. I would guess... Justin thought he was gonna be a rock star for sure. That was later on, dude. As a little kid. I definitely admit that. I would bet that Justin wanted to be an athlete of some sort, a football player or something like that. Yeah, somewhat, but honestly, I was more driven to be a veterinarian, which was... Oh, really? Yeah. Nobody would ever guess that. And I was actually really interested in it to the point where my parents introduced me to this veterinarian friend of theirs. And I did a little bit of shadowing and watched the day-to-day stuff, and then was immediately like, okay, this isn't for me. Because it's just sick animals, just like when they got to pretend to sleep. When that big white plastic glove came out, you just had to know. I'm like, I'm out. When I got to stick my whole arm in that, that doesn't sound like a good idea. There was this turtle, with this huge boil on its face, and it was like pop. It was just like, oh, this is horrible.  Exactly. Yeah, it's not the glorified... But again, we need them, and I think it's a great profession, but I definitely moved on from that. That's so good by your parents to have you actually go and follow a veterinarian, because that could have either... That could have also worked in the opposite where you were like, yes, this is definitely... Oh, yeah. If I was into it, I would have solidified it. They really did that for that reason? You were interested in it? And they said, hey, let's go look at it. That's really cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's good parenting. Props. Now, here's the thing. So for me, I'm thinking back before I was probably 13, 14, because by the time I was 14, 15, I knew I wanted to work in fitness or with exercise somehow. I thought maybe physical therapist, owning a gym or whatever. So I knew that at that age, like 100%. But before that, at one point, I said, scientists, because I love reading so much, and I like science. At another time, I said salesmen didn't know what I was selling, but I knew that I liked to talk. And that was pretty accurate, I think. I think that was an accurate prediction. Nothing too crazy. I remember my brother was little. We asked him what he wanted to be, and he said, fire truck.  I would say, so from like eight to eight years old, I can think of that far back of thinking about this. Before that, I can't tell you. So I don't know what, like, like a little childhood dream. But eight's pretty young, right? That's really young. I wanted things like, I wanted to be a lawyer. I wanted to be an architect. I wanted any job that made a lot of money. That was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, that was definitely like with the main driver. I would guess they're like, what do you want to be when you grow up, Adam? You're like, well, what makes a lot of money? Yeah, what's the most money? 100%, that's how it went down. 100% it went down like that. Yeah, street. There's a video that actually, it's a fun, I haven't thought about this memory in a long time.  My parents' wedding. And there's like all this money on, they ever seen a money tree at a wedding before? Yeah.  And I'm just like standing, the cameraman comes running over and they're like, what are you doing, Adam? And I'm just like in awe of the money tree. Yeah, I swear to God. So at a very young age, I think you just, I put it together as a young kid that we didn't have a lot of stuff. And so I wanted things and knew that I would have to work. I wasn't going to inherit anything. Didn't you say at one point that when you wanted to be a lawyer and then you realized what I took? Yeah, so I wanted to be a lawyer all the way until my junior or senior year in high school and the girl I dated my junior or senior year, I came to her father's law office.  So I wanted to be a lawyer up until that point. And I went to her dad's office one day and we walk in and I, it didn't help either that I probably didn't like, he didn't like me very much, which obviously made me not like a big fan of him as it is. And then I go look at his office and this happens, right? So we walk in this office and it was probably almost the size of our studio in here. And it had all the way around were books. So it was a bookshelf, it's like crazy. And I remember grabbing some out and looking at the names and they were just not a single one looked appealing to me, like to read. And I remember asking him like, did you read all these books? And he was like, absolutely.  Because none of them looked interesting to me. I'm like, oh my God, the amount of law that they have to read. And as a kid, I mean, even as a young high school kid, I knew it would have to read. I knew I'd have to probably read a lot of law books, but not to that level. And to realize how well I would have to know law and how much of that I would have to read. I remember thinking to myself, oh my God, like no, I don't want that anymore. So I remember, I mean, even when I first became a trainer, so I knew I wanted to work with exercise, but what I initially thought I was gonna do was be a physical therapist because that was really the only profession, like professional profession that I knew that utilized exercise. Like I didn't realize you could really be a trainer or a gym manager. And just for whatever reason, didn't did pop it in my head as that being like a career. So I became a trainer in order to go to school at the same time. And I remember having this conversation with my manager at the time. I'd done real well. I became a fitness manager. And at that point, school was starting up. And I said, I gotta go back down to be a trainer because I need to start going to school. And they're like, well, what do you want to do? I said, physical therapy. And they said, can you bring out your paycheck? And so I brought my paycheck out. And I said, you know, you already make more than a physical therapist. And I said, huh, I had no idea. And they said, do you like doing this? Do you think you would like working in a clinical setting more than working in a gym and, you know, making less money? And I remember thinking, no, I love the gym. I would hate working in a hospital or clinical setting. And that was it. That was it. I knew I wanted to be in gym. No, that's right.  And we were both going to junior college. We both were going towards kinesiology. I too was thinking physical therapy. But my reason behind physical therapy was the money. And once I got into personal training and I did well and very similar situation, at that time I was telling them like, oh, I got to go part-time because I got to finish my degree. And like each paycheck was getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then it finally got to a point where I was making six figures as a personal trainer in my early 20s as a kid. And at the time, was a physical therapist's average pay was less than that? Yeah, it was right there, you know, 80 to 120. So I was already in that, I was already in that range. And just like you, I was like, would I rather work in a clinical setting with a lot of old people that are, you know. Do you imagine if, because I was like studying to be a physical therapist. Imagine if we all were physical therapists instead for how much boring this podcast would be. Bored out of our minds. Yeah. You know, I didn't, and here's the thing. 50 more reps. Yeah. You know, we just be talking about a million reps of like doing things really slow. Well, you know, here's the thing too. I don't mind working with old people rehab. I love that stuff. But here's the big difference. When you work in a gym, they're typically not sent to you by the doctor or insurance. Well, not only that. They want to be there. A lot of times when you work, because I've helped physical therapists, a lot of times the patients come in and they're, okay, I don't really want to do this. People hire you out of their own pocket. Oftentimes they want to be there. Well, not only that, but you also, you also get to change that, right. I talk about not liking advanced age as much as you do or not liking kids. And I like, I had a wheelhouse. Sounds like such a great guy, you know. Right, you're right. Well, I mean, it's me just being honest about how I felt. But the truth is I took all of them, right. I trained lots of clients in advanced age. I trained lots of kids too. As I got, you know, longer to my career, I tried to hone in on mostly what I liked. But that, what I did also like about being a trainer was that I got to do all of that. And like, if you're in physical therapy, you're basically speaking to a type of person. Right. Rehabbing, rehab. It's all rehab. I liked rehab work. I like teaching clients that. I mean, a big part of our job is that most physical therapists, once they get down with rehab, tell you to go see a personal trainer at a gym. So we just continued it on. And it wasn't long after me getting enough of those clients that I do like, okay, well, what did you do with your physical therapist to get here? And then I started to learn what they did to get them to the point where I would take them from there. Which, I mean, that's what led me to rehab my knee surgery was I remember going to my physical therapist and I was unimpressed with what they were doing. And so I could do this. So I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that. But you would have kept you just doing that where, you know, training. I got athletes. I got obese people. I got so much more variety. Yeah. Hard gainers. I mean, you get everything. I had, when I had my studio for the last, you know, 12 years of my career, I had physical therapists in my studio because I saw their value was tremendous. I mean, physical therapists in terms of diagnosing, movement issues and pain issues are some of the best that you'll see anywhere. Good ones, right? Of course it's always good and bad ones. But the good ones are just the, and I had an exceptional one that, you know, worked in my facility. She rented space for me and she was so good. And I used to love working with her because I'd watch her and I'd learn from what she was doing. I'd hear what she'd say. I'd watch her diagnose and I learned a tremendous amount. And I, even before that, I always worked with physical therapists, but I love the gym. I love the gym environment. And it was, I made the right decision, obviously, because I don't think I would have enjoyed a clinical setting as much. You know, it's funny back when, when I said I wanted to do sales when I was younger, you know, as I worked through the fitness space, I became good at training, but also very good at sales and sales training. I did a lot of this for 24-hour fitness and I did a lot of training later on. And there was a short period where I thought, well, you know, this is a skill I can apply in other places. And I went and worked in the banking industry. And that was a great learning lesson for me because as much as you can sell in another place, for me, it's got to be something I have a passion for because I hate it otherwise. And I did. I went to the banking industry and I did investments. And, you know, for me, I like investments, but it's not, I don't have a passion for it. I don't want to go out and help people, you know, with investments. And it was so boring. It was the first time in my life I looked at the clock. I never, or never forget, I was looking at the clock, waiting for it to become noon so I could go take my lunch. I remember thinking, I'm not going to live like this.  Because when I worked in the gym, I never looked at the clock.  I should probably go home. Never. And I did that in the bank. And I was like, yeah, I belong in fitness. Well, I remember taking a, one of those, you know, I don't know what you call them, like a personality type test. In, I think seventh grade was when I, the first time that I realized that maybe sales was where I was supposed to be too because it, like everything pointed in that direction. So I took one of those, those, those tests. And it's like one of the hundred questions and they survey you and you answer. And then it said, like, number one was like sales for me. So I, and then I have family, right? So a lot of my family, that's what they did was sales. So I figured, okay. And then when I fell into training, see, I fell into training, not realizing until I was actually training clients how much of it was sales. And that to me was the like, oh, okay, this is it. This is what I'm supposed to do because I love the fitness aspect. I love working out. I love that. I love kinesiology. I was already heading that direction anyway. So that, that fascinated me. Then I found out you can make a little bit of money in it. And then I found out a good portion of it was actually sales.  It's mostly sale. You have to sell someone every single day on why they gotta eat right. You gotta sell them almost every day on why they need to exercise and move right.  And so sales. I'm not just talking about selling training. That's obvious. I'm talking about selling ideas. Right. That's a lot of what you do when you're a personal trainer. So it's a beautiful, beautiful marriage. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. So if you're listening to us and you can't see us, you're missing out. Let me tell you. Go to YouTube, Mind Pump podcast. Also, if you want to find us on social media individually, you can find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump Sal. And Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Guys love to do it. And I'm just as guilty of this. Oh boy, I got some stories. Yeah. I'm just as guilty of, all right, it's bulk time or it's bulking season, you know. Which really all that meant was there was no strategic plan to build muscle really or to gain strength or to just. This is about shoveling food. It was about, I was.


awesome and amazing day to serve the Lord because we have an awesome and amazing God, you know, he's going to do something consistent with that character, that amazing character of his, and he's going to do it today in this program. We're so glad you joined us for Hope Today. I'm Tom. I'm here with Sydney and Amy. Amy, we have a great guest coming up. We do. You're reminding me of the song, Our God is an awesome God. You know, Holy Fear is not a topic that you'll hear much about these days, but if you want to build a faith that stands strong through troubled times, you cannot afford to miss this book. John Bavir is here today and he shares a staggering statistic. The Barna Group reported that more than 40 million Americans departed from the faith from the years 2000 to 2020. That's not good, but John is here. He's going to unpack one of the most important virtues for a believer. And that is guys, the fear of the Lord, the awe of God. And I just think it is such a now word, a now book for a now moment. We know that God is moving all around the country and this, I believe, is going to be a key to unlock some things in our lives. So it's going to be really, really in awe today, Sydney. Yeah, I think it's so important as the body of Christ that we need to fear the Lord. I know there's so much about we love God, we poured our love, but do we have reverence? Do we have honor? Do we respect him? When he shows up in the room, do we know how to bow down before the king of kings? You know, I've often time I've heard because, you know, we live in a democracy and we don't understand about kingdoms, the king and queen system. We don't know how it is to reverence and honor the king, but that is something Tom that has been so in my heart that I've heard so a lot of people just talking about, especially here in America, we need to fear the Lord. It's not a joke. It's not something to be playing with. Well, you know, we don't understand the fear of the Lord. We really, it's a subject that we don't talk a lot about. It's not taught a lot in the churches, but it needs to be. And it's something that is so important for us to understand what that reverence and that recognizing his holiness and his majesty and all those things. You're right, Sydney. We don't, we don't, you know, I was watching one of those shows with the queen in it. And when the queen dismisses the person in the queen of England, they don't even turn their backs on her. They back out because you don't turn your back on royalty. And just think of that honor, you know, that kind of honor. We sort of understand that a little bit when we honor our leaders, but we don't understand it like we need to. And I feel like if you've ever encountered the presence of the Lord, this is like, I remember the first time when I felt like the weighty glory of God like fall and you can't get up. I was a fear falls like, Oh my gosh, like when you have an experience and encounter with the Lord, you're like, he is real. So today I'm really excited, Amy, with our conversation with John Bavir, just to dive into this and understand why it's so important for us to fear the Lord like never before. Do you long for an intimate relationship with God, but you struggle to feel his presence or wonder if he is even listening at all? Well, the reason could be that you're missing out on something very essential to your faith. Watch this. How is a lack of fearing God affecting you? If we're afraid of God, we'll pull away, but if we fear God, we'll draw near. You say, John, that sounds counterintuitive. The reason it sounds counterintuitive is because the fear of God has nothing to do with being afraid of God. The fear of God is when we're actually terrified of being away from God. If you look at the men and women in scripture and in the history of the church, the ones who walk closely with Jesus are those who feared him. I have spent the last year writing the most critical revelations that God has ever given me because I want to see you in dirt to the end and fulfill all that God has called you to do. When we understand the awe of God, everything changes. Minister and international bestselling author John Bavir joins us now to share how you can experience the intimate relationship with God that he so desires for your life. John, it's a privilege and an honor and we're in awe to have you with us today on Hope Today. Amy, Tom, Sydney, thanks so much for having me on and I love what you guys are doing and it's just a real privilege to be on and talk to you about this extremely important topic today. Let's talk about the timing of this book, the awe of God, with the Jesus Revolution movie coming out and sweeping the nation with the Asbury revival, with revivals breaking out on all of these campuses with God moving. How is this book critical to this timing of this season of revival? Well, if you look at any move of God, one of three things, we can be in one of three places. We can be on the outside looking in or we can be resisting it or we can be on the crest of the wave and it's funny, the Irwin brothers, Andy is a good friend of ours and we previewed the movie last September. I already knew the book was coming out in February and to be honest with you, the publisher, when they said the book was coming out in February, I said, that's too soon. I said, you need a year because we met in July and they said, no, we feel like it's supposed to come out in February. Well, after praying about it, I felt good too. Well, then Andy, you know, the Irwin brothers told me, okay, our movie's coming out in February. I'm like, that's interesting. Well, then the Asbury revival breaks out and I'm realizing that God is wanting to position us to receive the outpouring of his spirit, to enter into his glorious presence. So the movie shows that here's a pastor faced with a crisis. Am I going to continue to do things the way I've been doing it with no presence of God and no revival in my church? Or am I going to take the risk and am I going to start welcoming these people in that are bare feet that haven't taken a bath as he says in the movie? And what happens? He ends up Chuck Smith being a leader of an entire movement. And I told our team, I said, guys, we kind of learned how to pivot in COVID. We, you know, back in 2020, I said, we better be ready to pivot this year. I said, because we are about to see an outpouring of God's spirit that I have been waiting for for 40 years, I came in to know Jesus at the very end of the Jesus revolution back in 1979. And God told me back in those days, I'm going to bring my church into a wilderness, and I'm going to refine her character so that she can handle the full measure of my power. And then in the 19 early 1990s, God spoke to me, he said, the outpouring of my spirit that is coming will emphasize the holy awe of God. And he said, that is what's going to prepare my church for my son's return. Because the only description, Amy, of the church that Jesus is coming back for, it's not a leadership driven church. I believe in leadership. It's not a relevant church. I believe in relevance. It's not a community church. I believe it's not good that man's alone. It is a holy church without spot or wrinkle. But think of it, the enemy so perverted holiness that people fear that word. Holiness has nothing to do with legalistic rules and regulations. It's all about being completely and totally his. And so the awe of God is what opens up an intimate relationship with him. It is the beginning of knowing God intimately, which brings us into his presence, which sets us apart and makes us holy. How do you describe, you know, the fear of the Lord? It's not often that we hear people preaching about, oh, fear the Lord. How do you define that in this book? Well, you know, if you look at the fear of the Lord in Isaiah 11, verse three, it says it was Jesus's delight. Now I think that should cause us to pay attention right there. What Jesus delighted in, we should delight in. The fear of the Lord has absolutely nothing to do with being scared of God. It's actually being terrified of being away from him. If you look at when Moses brings Israel to the mountain of God and God comes down on the mountain, the people run away. And Moses makes this amazing statement in Exodus 2020. He said, do not fear because God's come to test you to see if his fears in you so that you may not sin. Now wait a minute, Moses, what do not fear because God's come to see if his fears in you? What's he doing? He's not talking out of two sides of his mouth. He's differentiating between being scared of God and the fear of the Lord. There's a difference. The person that is scared of God is something to hide. What does Adam do when he sins against God? He hides from the presence of the Lord. The person who fears God, that person, that man or woman, has nothing to hide. They are terrified of being away from God. So if you look at the Holy fear of God, it's a very important virtue because Paul the apostle makes the statement in Philippians two. He said that we work out our salvation with fear and trembling, not love and kindness with fear and trembling. So our salvation is matured, brought to a place of completeness when we walk in the Holy fear of God. And Amy, I will never forget it. I went and saw a world famous evangelist in prison in 1994. And this is when God really began to open this up to me. And because it's become a life message for 30 years, I've been praying and studying this in the Word of God. But I'll never forget, here's this world famous evangelist. And I knew he was passionate about Jesus, loved Jesus, loved people. And yet he was arrested. He was sentenced for five years in prison. And I'm in this prison cell or in this penitentiary, federal penitentiary with him. And he said, John, this prison was not God's judgment on my life. It was his mercy. And I remember going, what? He said, yes, if I would continue to live the way I was living, I would have ended up in hell forever. Well, he had my attention. And after he told me his whole story, how Jesus had delivered him from all the wickedness that was in his life in prison, I asked him, the first question I asked him was, at what point did you fall out of love with Jesus? What point? When did it happen? And he looked at me and he said, John, I didn't. And I said, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You committed adultery. And I named the woman's name in 1983. And I said, you got arrested in 1990 and sentenced in 1990. Are you telling me in those seven years when you're walking in all this corruption, you love Jesus? He said, yes, John, I loved him all the way through it. And he sees the confusion on my face. And he said, John, I didn't fear God. And I went, what? And he said, there are millions of Americans like me. They love Jesus, but they lack the fear of God. And if you look at the love of God, it is what delivered us out of legalism. When we were in a legalistic state back in the 60s and 70s, we found out God is a good God. That love of God delivered us from legalism. But we went to the other side of that narrow road of life and we fell into the other ditch. And that ditch is called lawlessness, which is an excessive, fleshly, worldly disobedient lifestyle. And there is a force that God has given us. It's a gift. It's a treasure that keeps us from that lifestyle. And that's called the holy awe of God. That's why we work out our salvation with fear and trembling, not love and kindness. Wow. I mean, that should just shake us to the core because, you know, so many of us in the Christian church, we do say, we love Jesus, we love Jesus, but there's some things that maybe we're missing. Like, are we obeying him when he speaks to us? And when we're in church services, what is our attitude like? Are we paying attention? Are is there a reverence and an awe? What are some questions or some signs that we need to be looking for as believers so that we're not loving Jesus, but not fearing the Lord? Well, is obedience optional? That's the big one. The fear of the word, you can break it down in two categories, to tremble it as presence, to tremble it as word. Israel was very selective in how they were obeying God in Isaiah 66.  So this was like what? And God said, this is the one I pay attention to, to him who was poor, or that means humble, contrite and trembles at my word. So what does it mean to tremble at the word of God? It means we'll obey him instantly. It means we'll obey him when it doesn't make sense. It means we'll obey him even if it hurts. It means we'll obey him even if we don't see a benefit. And it means we'll obey him to completion. If you look at Abraham, God came to Abraham and said to him, I want you to go.  I want you to go on a three day journey and sacrifice him for me.  And God didn't even tell him why to do it. He didn't say, Abraham, if you do this, I'll send my son. He just says, go off drunk. And so we read in the Bible early the next morning. Oh my goodness, he's already on his way. And you know, it's easier maybe when you heard the booming voice of God the night before, but what about two and a half days later when you're looking at the mountain, you're going to put the most important person or thing to death and you're like, just because God said it and didn't give you a reason. Abraham goes to the top of the mountain. He ties Isaac up on the altar. He lifts up the knife and the angel of the Lord appears and the angel says, Abraham, stop. Now I know you fear God. How did the angel know that Abraham feared God? He obeyed instantly. He obeyed when it didn't make sense. He obeyed when it hurt. He obeyed the completion and he obeyed when he didn't see a benefit.  God reveals a facet of his personality to Abraham. No man had ever known before because he's my friend.  Abraham is led in on the secrets of Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot is clueless. And so if you look at Jesus and you bring this into the New Testament, Jesus said, you're my friends if there's a condition on friendship with Jesus. What's the condition? If you do whatever I command you. So that's the Holy fear of God that opens up a relationship of friendship with the Lord. Psalm 25 verse 14 says, friendship with the Lord is reserved for those who fear him. With them, he shares his secrets. And you know what my burden is, Amy and Sidney and Tom? There are so many Christians. They know God by how he answers their prayer. They know God by what he does in their church services. But yet, do they know his secrets? Does he share the secrets of his heart with them? I don't know about you, but there is nothing in this universe I am more hungry for than intimate fellowship with God. And the fear of the Lord is the door that opens that up. It's the starting place. Wow. I just have to say, wow, and take a pause for a second with everything you just said there, John, because I think I know I've wrestled with this. And I think some of our viewers are wrestling with, how do I put that thing of fear in that same place of intimacy? Because it's like, it seems almost counterintuitive. I know that for me, I recognize that I could fear my father, but was also glad when he showed up, you know, because there was protection, there was love, there was all those things, but I could fear his judgment if I was doing wrong. How does the person that's watching, how does the Christian, who's known the Lord for 20 years, take a step in the direction that you're talking about? The way to do it is to ask God to fill you with the Holy Spirit of the fear of the Lord. Jesus said, if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them who ask him? Well, if you look at Isaiah 11, there are seven manifestations of the Holy Spirit. It said, the Spirit of the Lord would rest upon Jesus. The Spirit of wisdom, counsel, might, knowledge, understanding, and the Spirit of the fear of the Lord. And Jesus' delight was in the fear of the Lord. So one way is we ask God to fill us with that Holy all. That is a gift, that is a treasure that we can ask for. And then if you look at Psalm 34, God says, come near and I will teach you about the fear of the Lord. It is so important that we're taught.  Now, we don't see this today in the 21st century, but back in the day, there would be a herald that would announce the name of the king. But before that king came in, everybody in that throne room was taught in the protocol of how to respond to the king when he came in. If you look, God is trying to tell us, this is the way you come into my presence. You don't come in and go, hey dude, what's going on? That is absolutely a terrible thing that we've done that causes people not to be able to have that intimate fellowship with God. He is a holy God. Here's Isaiah who's preaching. Woe to those that are proud. Woe to those who are wicked. Woe to those who linger long at the bottle. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. That's Isaiah five. Isaiah six, he is one glimpse of the Lord in his glory and he is groveling on the floor saying, Woe is me. Now what happens? The result of that holy fear brings a cleansing to him. Now he's the only one in the nation that can hear God say, who will go for us? When God speaks, it's like your TV station sending the waves out. If people don't have their receiver on, they're not going to be able to hear you guys. But when God speaks and says who will go for us, there's only one man that's been cleansed by his holy fear and that's Isaiah. So this is the thing that opens our ears to be able to hear. Opens our eyes to be able to see and yet we've not taught it. That's why it's through fear and trembling our salvation is matured. You know, John, I just love this conversation about the holy awe of God and why it is so important now more than ever that we gain a revelation and we experience that and our daily lives and our walk with God. I just want to ask you if I'm at your personal standpoint, when was the moment that you had that you experienced for the first time this holy reverence and awe of God? Well, you know, Sydney, that's such a great question. I remember being asked to the nation of Brazil and there were thousands, thousands in the arena and I was the Friday night speaker and when I walked in, people were standing there looking around during worship. They were whispering, they were walking in and out, getting concessions in this massive arena and then when the person got up and began to read, the leader of the national movement got up and began to read from the word of God. They're still talking. You can hear them muttering. You can see people walking around and I'm like, whoa. And God spoke to me and he said, son, you need to deal with this. And I remember getting up and preaching on the holy awe of God. I said, if you, if you're Pele, your, your favorite soccer player in Brazil's history would have walked on this platform.  Well, when it was, when it went after 75 minutes of preaching on the fear of the Lord, I said, if you're a Christian and you lack the fear of God and you're willing to repent and receive the fear of God stand up 75 percent of the arena stands up immediately. The presence of God comes in. People start weeping and I remember praying with them, but then the Holy Spirit spoke to me and he said, son, I'm coming. I'm coming one more time.  That kind of a violent wind came blowing into that arena. Now the people started screaming. Now, can you imagine several thousand of Brazilians screaming in prayer? The wind was louder. And Sidney, I am standing on that platform and I thought, John Bavir, if you make one wrong move, you say one wrong word, you're dead. Now, would that have happened? I don't know, but it did happen with Ananias and Sapphire when they brought an offering to their church service and they lied about it in Acts chapter five. And that presence was on the apostles and Peter so strongly that they walked out of that meeting and they just laid the six sick in the streets and they got healed. The authority that came into that arena was so terrifying, but yet, now listen, I'm drawn to it. I'm literally drawn to it. I'm like, in my heart going, God, I want more. I want more. I want more. My head's going, God, can I handle this? Can I handle this? And I remember that men lasted for 90 seconds. And the guys at the sound board said the decimal meters were at zero. Now one ounce of the sound of the wind came through the sound system. We heard about that incident for 22 years after it happened through emails and calls. And when I would go down to Brazil and leaders would say, I was in the building when the wind blew and my life has never been the same since. Let me tell you, when you come into that presence, you change. You can't articulate how you change, but you change. It changed me forever. I sat on the balcony of my hotel, Sidney, and I worshiped God till 1.30 in the morning.  Well, it's happened in Malaysia. It's happened in North Carolina and California and Colorado Springs since. But I remember it changed me. And this is what I believe this move is about to do. I think these people coming out of Asbury, I think they're getting a level, but I don't believe they're getting the full measure yet. I believe we're coming into a time where God told me in my heart years ago, it's going to make the Book of Acts look like child's play with the power. I mean, when they prayed in Acts, the building shook. I mean, they're winning entire cities to the Lord. What is coming is so powerful. And we must be in the place to where we're not fighting against it, but to where we're flowing with what God is doing in the earth. Think about it, guys. God is so awesome and he wants to reveal himself to us, but he knows, he knows that we must walk in holy awe in order to be able to abide in that presence. Aaron had two sons. They were authorized to come into the presence of the Lord, but in Leviticus 10, they came in with irreverence and they were immediately struck dead. So you see this in the Old Testament. You see it in the New Testament with Ananias and Sapphira. Hey, we're coming into great days ahead and I want everybody prepared for this move of God. Yes, amen. We're, we're shouting. We can't contain ourselves. We want people to experience the awe of God. John, we have like a minute left. Can you pray for all of those that are watching? They're like, I need to jump in to this awe, profound reverence, fear of the Lord. Heavenly Father, I thank you so much for every single person that's watching this program. I'm asking that the presence of your spirit would come upon them, that you would fill them with the holy awe, with the holy fear of God. I'm asking, baptize them now afresh with the spirit of the living God. And I thank you that Lord, as a result, they will come to know Jesus more intimately than they've ever known him before. And I thank you, Lord God, in Jesus' name, that this holy awe will protect them and keep them from falling away from you. And I ask this in Jesus' mighty name, amen. Amen. Wow. Thank you, John, for that prayer. Thank you for this book and this message. You can pick up this book at Amazon. You can just put it right in your cart and prime. It'll be there in less than a day, probably. And also, the Bevere's have an incredible app called MessengerX. Go to the App Store, download it. It is such a resource and tool for this time. This message is a now message for a now time. Thank you so much, John. What a gift. Tom, Sydney, Amy, it's been such a pleasure. And also, when you go to the App Store and you type in MessengerX, don't put a space between the R and the X, and it will pop up for you. Beautiful. Wow. Guys, I have to tell you, as I was reading this book, it's never happened before, but I felt the tangible presence of God surround me in the living room as I was just diving into scriptures about the fear, the awe, and the reverence of God. This is a game changer for the believer. Yeah, Sydney. Just take a moment and just make room for him. Because I'm telling you, when you experience the wind of the Spirit, when you experience the weightiness, I know, and he was the Kavad glory, it changes you forever. And so that's what we desire for you today, is that you experience the awe of God, the fear of the Lord. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and he reveals his secrets, his revelation to those who fear him. Don't miss this moment and don't miss this opportunity to be with your maker. So often we share our thoughts at the end. This is not about thoughts. This is about God's presence. This is about God coming to where you are. It's what he wants to do. It's what he's going to do. Have a great day. On Tomorrow's Hope Today, discover how to prioritize your wellness and crush your fitness goals. Fitness expert Brooke Daniels shares about her faith-based fitness movement, which focuses on the mind, body, and soul when it comes to exercise. Don't miss Tomorrow's Hope Today. Cornerstone Television wishes to thank all our faithful viewers whose consistent prayers and financial support have made this program possible.