What a wonderful Wednesday Is that what's what's she doing there? Who are you channeling? Nobody that was Howard Dean. Yeah, how Dean? Okay, we're gonna stream on the YouTube and then we're gonna go to Twitch and then we'll make an Instagram And then we're gonna go to tiktok and then we're gonna win back the Subscribers I mean that's somewhat accurate that sound I suppose I'm excited about it everyone else should be Yeah, I think we're gonna start with the the Elden Ring stream ones. Oh boy. We get through that. I guess that makes sense Well, we can do as well and as well as maybe the ones that come in today Hmm. All righty. So the first one says here we go. Mark is back on whoo The mark mark is back on Yeah, he was a he was a fun way to have on to chat about video gaming in the video gaming industry as it stands He knows his video gameings, so we'll probably have him Maybe in future when we talk about video gameings when we do our Kirby in the Forgotten Land Next week. Yeah, I'm probably I'm grabbing that game that game looks fun It's for children free It's for everybody Kirby is a is a an adventure that's got drama. It's got action It's got intrigue Kirby Kirby's a he's it's a real man's game. I actually do and I mean it's got met a nine He's pretty he's pretty cool met and I just wake all of them shatter the hedgehog. I'm just saying The opinions of Fringy are not necessarily Induced by Take a stand on the take that shadow was better than I'm not taking a stand That's very very clear. I was not This is not a napkin Palinica is Palinica's podcast, I have no opinion on the meta night shadow the hedgehog Controversy, yeah Lord Longbong of mule flint and abbey have you given any more thought to a Kongfab of Peter Jackson's long Kong? When there's less going on it'd be a movie fap for the ages PS. Hello wagsies gritches for the good boy Hello, it is it is in our plan. I would definitely like to see are we gonna include? So which will be part of those it will be Peter Jackson's Kong will skull Island beyond there Well, oh, yeah, we got to watch the original Before that's um, well, I I don't know if you know rags, but they've announced They're filming the sequel to Godzilla versus Kong this year, they're moving their truck and ad we got We got to catch up on a whole arc. In fact, I was thinking I think I mentioned this before but we may as well do Godzilla Godzilla king of the monsters again with like a new because we only had me you in metal last time So we have like a full cast of crazies to wash the whole set Maybe plus, you know, that could be an arc right there The whole Godzilla then Kong then well skull and then Godzilla king of the monsters and Godzilla that's Kong But also add the original Kong the original Godzilla and the 98 Godzilla and the long Kong and the long Kong So that'd be an eight movie arc. No way You know, we've got we got a 12 well in the works. I think so that means that the eventual Was it Joel Schumacher or is it? No an emiric rolling emiric. Yeah, I can't believe I got those confused crazy But yeah, we're gonna Schumacher made anything like in the last ten years, but he died. What is he? Oh Sorry, I'm thinking of I I'm mixed him up with Jerry Brockheimer Well, what about the um, are you sure you don't mean they'll really the little short guy from arcane? Oh, that was Heimerdinger. Oh, okay. No, no, no not to be confused with Jerry Brockheimer. The oh, I That's right. Jerry Brockheimer is a producer. He didn't direct anything. Wait. Did he not direct it? No, he's just a producer My wires across today. Mm-hmm. Oh But that means that potentially if we do a rolling emiric arc trajectory downwards Spiral of chaos if we will that means that we'll get Godzilla twice So that one means the only videos that we will potentially ever double up on for e-fap will be Godzilla related There'll be Godzilla movies because there will be a reason for us to see the Matthew Broderick 98 Godzilla twice and also a reason for us to see King of the Monsters twice And I so by a staggering coincidence Godzilla movies doubling up for e-fap And I'll be good because I think a lot of people are big fan of the 98 Godzilla They'd like to be a twice sort of thing. I would like to see it twice They consider it like one of the greatest adaptations of like a Japanese to America that it really captures the spirit of your original creation, you know I know like revamped the look of Godzilla like everyone thought he looked lame before but then they've sort of updated him in the 98 one they're like wow Don't misgender this is 2022 do not misgender Godzilla she is a goddess And she lays all of her eggs inside of That's in Square Garden where how does she even do that? I don't know that pussy be poppin I guess as they say they hit the hip lingo if you will what in lizard land and lizard land That is that where Godzilla comes from lizard land? Absolutely Lizard land. Well, yeah, the the island is the Lizardo Because remember the intro of that movie is the establishing the nuclear tests at like Bikini at all and stuff like that Yeah, so Opening for Godzilla that one or Godzilla I think so I'm not sure Oh, no, no, no, the new one said that the nuclear test with them trying to kill Godzilla, but it just didn't work That's right But some of the nuclear tests were trying to kill him and it didn't work because Godzilla eats nukes for breakfast He sits down.  This is a gag. I want to write this down because I think I want to make Yeah, instead of having split peas he has split atoms Yes perfect perfect day in the life of Godzilla What is the For I think it was I don't know maybe my brain's just doing a tism Have they ever used I think they did I think they used a really bad version of Godzilla by blue oyster cult as a In as an outro song a credit song for a Godzilla movie was that King of the Monsters I Can't remember Is that song is great and the cover that they used for it is shit And I think that was in King of the Monsters, but I can't be certain We think they love covers like the halo show had like a cover for Like a cover not a great one instead of just using the hail. That's out today by the way. Oh is it? Halo When is our date with destiny I guess we could probably watch it like tomorrow. I guess I will be gone tomorrow I will be back late tomorrow, but that'll We'll figure it out we will figure it out There is no requirement by the way to commit to like watching it's a nine-episode season. We don't have to do that Oh, yeah, I don't have much. I'm just season. I probably will but We will see I'm curious that the scores have me legitimately curious what it could be about the scores Wow has I mean the sentiment that you get from those reviews as well as I guess just what you could have pulled from the Trailers as well as you've heard the quote, right? We didn't talk about the games. We didn't play the game Yeah, we didn't talk about them. We didn't play them. Yeah, always great to hear That's that's one of those battlefield five don't buy it quotes.  Well, it's just who are you like this is for me then well Yeah, cuz halo is um, I would say that at this point Halo was probably had like maximum reach of any audience that it would have, you know Like there's not really anybody who would be interested He's discovering as not. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's heard of it Most people like a lot of people it's about to say most people actually Probably less than half of the planet's played it, but a lot of people have played it It's probably got maximum reach of I didn't mean that 3.5 billion people Probably not played and and I guess it's at this point if you're making it and you're gonna make it for like a new audience I don't know that that audience exists But then again, I don't I don't even know I don't really know like that three four three kind of even Understands what made halo really cool. Um, I Feel like there's always I feel like in that show There is a tone that was present in like the three four three halo games that doesn't align with what Halo was like really feels different. Yeah, that's the thing. It's a pretty straightforward premise Um, and it's got a little one is like a new hope Kind of very simple It's really simple and straightforward. It's it had a lot more underneath the surface But only if you went looking for it, and I mean, yeah, or if you were to describe it with any sort of keywords There would be like or mystery heroism like, you know These sorts of tones that I feel like have been utterly absent like the three fourth There's a certain I would also say that I don't even know that I describe halo is ever having like a sleek look It's very like military like gritty kind of military, yeah sleek the covenant had like a very soft Yeah, it made them distinct from human stuff Well, I guess they were designed with gameplay in mind, you know in terms of conveying things to people But I don't know. I don't I don't know I just don't get the impression that they've ever really had a good understanding of what like made halo really cool It's almost like they were just some studio that got told to make halo games one day Well, who's express purpose and sole purpose is to make halo a multimedia franchise. That's that's their goal That's what they do. Whereas halo is just a really cool idea for a video game from a team that just Stumbled across it really they wanted to make a Science-fiction strategy game and then it just morphed into a first-person shooter and then they got bought by Microsoft and made it for Xbox I think about I think that new hope comparison when when you think about what new hope was and then what Empire Halo to Halo 2 gives me like identical vibes. You're right. Oh, this is really amazing. How do we keep this going? All right, well, let's expand this and let's add this aspect to these characters and let's flesh them out a bit And let's make the story a bit deeper And you know that sort of thing and it worked out really really well just because it was it was executed well I think that is a really apt comparison because you had to blew the doors open on that world Oh, yeah, we're going to different places that you you play as an elite Like it's this elite guy and they have like this like a place you go to their cities and like wow like interesting We're at Brutes and all that sort of thing. It was it was a huge expansion that leap from Halo to Halo 2 is a big one What happened, you know what? Happened Hmm we will yeah, we will today is Saturday March 19th, 2022 Well, we're only four days out bad That's actually pretty good That's that is pretty good This is it's the toothbrush weeb high rags Hello, I see you It's brush scene. Oh Man the first if I have to skip over spoilers love y'all have a coffee Oh, oh, thank you. Nice. I know Fringy likes coffee. He does.  I remember I used to not understand but now I do I used to hate coffee Yeah, I still do but I used to too. Yeah Also spoilers. Thea will be the downer here, but I do agree with him. I wish souls like games stayed niche I think his perspective is a little more Complicated than that I think so too. He had a he had a he had a lot of things to say in a lot of different directions, but um It was intro album glad he was certainly glad he was there He's very knowledgeable certainly has a lot of he certainly cares Oh, yeah, Ronnie and frenzy endings are the best endings. Well, that was uh, me and mel's endings respectively me Uh, yay for theo. He's my favorite recurring character You know, this is they're always interesting episodes and have a theo, you know bruh strumbles in Uh, hi rags Hello, hi everyone else. Hello Are there more doors or wheels in the world? Oh, no, we already did that. No, we did discuss that. It was it was wheels. He concluded. Yeah, I think we agreed on wheels So it was it was a good discussion. We had a lot of backs and forths a lot of discussion on what is a wheel What is a door? What do we count? What is the spirit of the question? You know, that sort of stuff I'm very satisfied with our our discussion of it he Theo have ifap watch Baki monogatari He is I imagine Since he has never asked that we watch that that he doesn't care to recommend us it. I assume A hot take easiest souls born game but enjoyable Um I feel like I've been doing a lot easier with dark souls 3 than I did with a This game personally Of what level I played How much have you looked around? Um, I mean, I'm I'm six hours in and fighting market Do you have any ashes? Uh, I think I've got ashes. I don't know. I've got the thing that allows me to do ashes I've gone and collected some things. I went to this underground labyrinth that had these slow craggly looking fellas in a purple sky well As which one is the easiest that's tough for me to answer because the lot of them It'll change very much on whether or not you have certain things But some things are like well, of course still have that and use that and it's like, uh, maybe sometimes people just don't Isn't fringy still using a plus one weapon what weapon you got I am I just got the sword I got the sword, um, but I got I got items that I can craft better. I just I don't have number two I got number four like crafting Thing or whatever it's called You see, I don't understand the games are very great I'm getting there though. Okay Well, you're in chat. Which do you think is the easiest game in the lot? As I'm having trouble at this point has what the most hours in the out of everybody I think metal has more experience than I do. I would probably say The easiest like, uh, the thing is that elden ring has like one of the hardest bosses In the entire set of games. So what does that count for if I think like the majority of the experience is relatively easy But that it's like, you know, what does that mean overall? I don't know. Yeah Interesting summons. It's elden ring. Well, so the ashes kind of I mean you guys here just talking about it There are some bosses where you don't have to do anything at all. You can just summon it and it's a Very much like a the mechanic they introduce directly to you. You have your own like that page upgrades for it It's it's you know, it's just like in an fps. Like here are your grenades.  It's like, oh That's pretty good Going by the first playthrough probably elden ring, but I used ashes. So not super sure That's kind of my position. It's like, are we counting ashes and I'm pretty sure we should I don't see why we wouldn't Basically dark souls elden ring is to ashes with the bible is to slavery I've got it That's right. That's fine. I'd be a mix between ds3 and he uh That's probably my take as well.   I can't say that I'm familiar. All right Let me let me just post you a picture of a planarian And then you'll understand why I brought it up Oh, yeah, I can see why you bring that up I think I have heard of those I just didn't ring a bell at the time Yes, I agree with the idea that it looks like a child's attempt to draw a snake this boa.  Yeah, and then there it goes right on the fridge.  Yeah, I'm not I'm not at all kids with your shitty artists Well, I'm sure that there are some are really great I wish from soft could have eight years to work on a single game Um, uh, that's pretty unviable economically, but you know, I guess If the if the if the true sentiment is just I wish all games were given the time they need to be fully refined It's like, yeah, and yes, yeah, because I wonder what At what point do you start really seeing demission returns with time? Um, I would say that it depends on the scope of the game really, but I mean at some point you got to stop and yeah It's like, yeah, like what like the difference between one year of development in two years is huge You know, what's the difference between seven and eight? Yeah What's all about right at the end like when it comes to game development triage is like here's all the bugs We've got to fix them. Yeah. Yeah. What's the most important bugs we need to fix to get this game out the door Um, but I don't I don't know how the triage process works now with like the fact that you can patch games after release I don't know. I have no idea It's interesting to see games as they go and how they change Um, no, it's not games as a service is exactly that studio is working on a game for about 10 years Right. So like destiny didn't get 10 years of development time It came out after like four years of five.  I don't know that it was worked on like Straight from like red dead redemption one Yeah, I bet it's one of those things where they have artists and concept makers and things like that After they're done with the work for one game. They're like, all right. This is gonna be our next project Go ahead and start, you know, well, yeah, a lot of developers now have like smaller So they'll have like two teams So there'll be like the main team that is working on the current project and then You got like a smaller team that is then on pre-production for the new project And then when they're done with the other one, then the team moves over to That seems to be a common way that they do it now I was about to say I'd pretty sure Metal Gear Solid 5 had like seven years of development But that game wasn't done like that game was clearly not finished Um, I can't even remember the end of that game. I think I got to a point I don't think I I think I stopped once I got I got to the second chapter And it was like repeat missions and stuff like with modifiers and I think at that And I think I had about 50 hours. I got a lot of time in that game I had a decent amount of time too. I got to a point where I just I don't think I knew how to get to the next mission Or story thing or it just like ended or something I don't know if I finished it or not, which is weird for me to say in the game A game is definitely not done. Um, it is it is known that that game isn't done But I mean if you get like seven years of development time and you're not finished I don't know like what are you doing guys? What are you doing?   Yeah, but um, well, you get to play it a lot That game is pretty gameplay intensive. I think that's why a lot of people don't like it as much because metal go solid is usually super duper story Intense and that game is a lot more Lacking in that regard Yeah, I didn't know what the Fudge was going on half the time What's going on? What does this mean? What's happening? I don't know. Can I just go back to sneaking around? I don't need to go. I want to go punch some Russians and some children Yeah, normal stuff. Um But what is the blue shell of elden rings? Uh, the death mechanic by blue shell In terms of it it it punishes you for doing well I guess there isn't really anything that punishes you for doing well in elden ring. It's not a yeah It's not a mechanic that is common in video games Blue shell is pretty unique Yeah Yeah crash out of blue electric ball thing that goes to first and zaps here um I remember crack crash out of Crash team racing is awesome. One of the really cool features that that game had was um, depending on how much Whomper fruit you'd obtained it would affect The attributes of the items So if you had less than 10 it would kind of be like a nerfed version But if you had 10 it would turn into a super duper version that would have extra So like there was uh instead of a banana as like a little vat filled with uh some sort of indeterminate goo Um and the green goo not mine was uh this sort of like weaker one But the red one if it hit you it would uh Basically keep you going slow for like an additional 10 seconds after you recovered from the hit Put like a little storm cloud over your head and then you wouldn't move as fast It's like that's a really cool way to incentivize different methods of play by encouraging you to collect um Whomper fruit Crash team racing is awesome more games should have adopted the things that game introduced like it's it's boosting Drift system is way better than uh Mara carts as much as I like mara carts just core gameplay Much more skill based crash team racing and has a really high skill ceiling in reality It's a game that's uh There's a lot of depth Hey, maybe maybe that'll be crash team racing too exclusive to xbox Now that microsoft owns activision Uh, where did you learn to be a crime lord on a farm?  I think this might have been the base design for something in uh Starship troopers Yeah, let me find a good Oh, no Looks pretty cool Oh, wow. Yeah, look at them go Yay, I scrolled around in the ocean Yeah, yeah, he does that I just doing the allen force. Yeah, I didn't realize Yeah, look at me. I I got 10 legs. How many legs do I have 10 cross stations have 10 legs, right? Or am I mixing them up? I think this it looks like he's got more than 10 It looks like one of those Oh, it looks like he has 12 legs actually. Yeah six on each side One two three four five six seven eight nine ten. Oh, we're talking this one's got like 10 on each side Oh, I didn't even count as many. Geez. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah, I got a bunch.  Oh armadillos No, the That might be what they're called. They're I don't know what the real wood louse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah We get we get them around here every once in a while. You sort of see them out and about Oh, yeah I've seen those they're tiny but these are like big versions of it I was saying armadillos. They're pretty nifty. They are they are very nifty They're really cool little animals. I like the ones I have these weird gimmicks like that a corral into this bowl Is protected We get them uh, we'll get them around here. I'm safe We got armadillos around here Armadillo means little armored one in spanish I mean, I guess that I mean a lot of uh, I remember this from uh That there's a lot of words in the american vernacular that just derived from spanish like ranch uh and lasso and um bandolier like all of these had uh spanish origins in the frontier Armadillo Yeah Kind of like an australian creature in america, you know He went on holiday and he just decided to stay there. He's like, you know, it's nice out here. It's really warm and Well, it's warm here too, but you know Food's good.  I actually have I have to yeah, he's done multiple ones as far as I know. I haven't watched Well, yeah, it's uh, I think it is this is uh most controversial take Yeah, it is. Um, I find mistake. It's very understandable Uh, he uh, he finds that the storytelling is lacking in terms of the way that it's presented in the game But that he thinks it's really cool as a piece of law You like that the world building is really cool, but you have to search for it outside of the game I feel like that's like all the souls games. It's more lower than story Which I don't have a problem with at all. I think it's kind of neat Like you're dropped in this world and if you want to figure stuff out about it You can and if you don't then you don't have to it's very realistic in that regard Um, I guess it is more so the interesting thing is that Partly because of that conversation moeller and I rewatched the cut scene the opening cut scene for dark souls versus elden ring And I feel like dark souls does a much better job of telling me what the state what what this world is Here you are. Here's what's happening. We went over it briefly in this stream, and I think we triggered a couple of people about it.  It's like one of them was like a Death guard that could poison and destroy things he was like a skeleton lord One of them is a witch who just cast to get all fire spells One of them is just like a king who can throw lightning spears and one of them was a dragon that was born without scales that betrayed the other dragons and told the Man if you will how to betray the dragons there was a big fight the dragons lost And so began the age of fire a whole kingdom was built Everything was pretty good. And then the cutscene ends was saying the age of fire is coming to an end there's like We're running out it's not looking good It's like, huh, and then you spawn You're not really quite sure what to make of all of that But you eventually find out that it's up to you whether or not you want to continue the age of fire by sacrificing yourself and linking the flame or you want to engage the age of darkness by ending the flames nothing at all So it's like, okay, and then there's lots more lore and stuff that you can read throughout it Elden ring There's a meme video that's already been made and you guys will be seeing it on our next meme Vap Where I try to summarize it And it's like so there was a ring it got blowed up and then couple of bigger powers in the world scramble to grab it that were all demi gods like the grabs shards Then there was the shattering which was a big war And I've had one of those. Yeah. Yeah, and and and most if not all of them died and then it says Wake up tarnished Which is what you are and what are a lot other people are and they start listing all of the um the important tarnished Which are people who are supposed to go and fix the Elden ring question mark It doesn't really say this in the intro. It just says wake up the tarnished And then it ends with saying like and then also you wake up Yeah, because generally tarnished means is not good when something is tarnished.  I don't want to be a lord and shad's issue was that uh That intro cutscene plus a decent amount of what you get from NPCs are just not enough for him to be driven to discover what the rest of the story was because he just didn't understand the fuck is going on And the trouble he's got into is a lot of people are saying well if you took the time to pursue Certain NPCs you would get your explanations Um, and then his response to that was that they're off the beaten path or they're in places that are easy to miss Which he thinks is bad conveyance from the the game the game should make sure that you get at least the most important parts You know flavor text for certain characters and what they did in certain areas at certain points Like he's fine for that to be stuff you search for but he doesn't like the idea that When doing all the main quests you can finish the game and have no idea what the elden ring even is That's that's weird and I i'm inclined to agree with him. It's unusual There's something it's there's something kind of appealing about that in a way This aspect of you could finish the game and not really know the story behind a lot of things If you don't go and pursue them and seek them out I think that uh You can argue that it's a different way of delivering a story rather than a worse or better He many times says it's objectively bad storytelling which has gotten him in trouble. I think Yeah, I don't know about that I'm not sure how you qualify that It's tough yeah, um Definitely don't know how you can All I would say is that he he says at one point if they did it more conventionally or straightforwardly There would be a lot more people probably appreciating how good the story is because he said he read about all the story and was really impressed He's probably right about that if they if they delivered it in a more traditional way I think more people would be talking about the story and the characters because when I finished the game I was in a call with them.  So Uh, there is it does add a nice this nice element of discovery To the story making the story Something that is to be sought after and discovered. I mean, I would I get that sentiment I guess it's just you look at like metroid prime The story is there for you to discover but you also pretty clearly understand what your objectives are like in every game In every metroid game really you have a pretty clear idea of what you're supposed to be doing as like a central quest I think that just helps as a guiding force to make it clear in your mind like what your prerogative is It's a good way to flip it on its side where you have all of these stories and movies and stuff where you have a character Who has a very clear goal and they're very stead on that goal And then they get a certain to a certain part in their journey and then someone says Oh, yeah, you didn't know that this is the reason for this And it makes them rethink everything because they just flat out didn't know about it And to be able to put a character like a player in that position Whereas like, oh, you didn't care to learn about all this stuff. You just went ahead with your goal Don't don't shoot. What do you mean? You don't know about da da da da da And they were like, oh like that that would be a nifty thing to do to a player It like I think that at its best is kind of what it's going for but like unfortunately I was just thinking about and I was like, I don't even know why I was motivated to kill the first boss Um, because it's a game and that's just what you do I'm talking about like the tutorial boss.  And yeah, the only answer really is like, well, it's a video game It's like, oh, it's kind of strange for a game is getting lauded for its good storytelling as well I think um Because after you do that that you get a big lore dump on all the characters of the world and why you should kill all of my think, um And someone else that's brought up is just that uh, I I do think that the other games have done this same approach But being a little bit more straightforward that Help you understand like I was looking at the dark souls 3 intro And that one that game assumes you did link the fire at the end of dark souls 1 and it basically says that the world is Almost done age of fire is like on its fumes Everything's in cinders and as an emergency all the past fire lords are awoken to relink the fire and uh They all refuse they don't they don't they leave their thrones They don't want to link the fire So you have to go and kill them all collect their souls and then link the fire yourself or Like the first game, uh, let the age of darkness happen essentially Which again, I was just like that's Really straightforward. I think, um Elden ring. I just uh, I don't even know what the Elden ring did Or why it's important. It gets reformed. I've seen people talk about how well when it was destroyed It destroyed the land or something and I was like did it Oh, all right, uh, oh I didn't know I I there's so much. I don't know and then of course There's a bit of a meme of like you just wait for Vati videos video and it's like Is that good that's everyone's attitude It's my attitude. I'm just like I'll just wait for him to explain it to me So, um, oh, yeah the cinematic trailer for the game's story is a better intro than the intro to the game Which is awkward I'm not sure why they didn't use it. It's got like foreign animations and stuff in it that are in game Oh, maybe not in game, but uh representative of the world I don't know Yeah, I think they could have just given a bit more information here and there about the fundamental stuff And uh, we probably I probably would fine with it, but I felt like I learned the littlest about Elden Ring a bit all the others in terms of story um Nothing like home renovations while listening to eFap talk Elden Ring for the next 10 hours I free rags long man and guests. Hello. Hi But if older ring can be as good does easy game not be better If I as I am filthy casual is enjoyable less so for me because it's hard Should we wallet to such souls do appreciate long high doge germane and spider eater? Oh, hello. Hello I don't know who the spider eater is supposed to be but I'll say hi The spider eater is as well is in this riddle Delving deep something to do with would it be better if it were easier? I'm not sure No, not necessarily. I don't know exactly what they're trying to say. So I'm not going to assume they're saying anything like that I just don't know what's happening in that one I hope this will activate Fringy's weaponized retarded tizm That there's a full stop after that so I don't know And then is a patty melter cheeseburger. I don't know what a patty melt is Uh I think it's more of a sandwich a hot sandwich Oh, right Yeah You did it like a grilled sandwich like a yeah, like if you put meat in a grilled cheese, I don't think it becomes a burger It's just a It's just a grilled sandwich I like a pastrami sandwich those are grilled but they're not burgers So I'll often be in the burger section on the um or the sandwich section or or burger I guess you can put them in both on a menu, but people know what they are so Thank you all for the hours of great entertainment playing elden ring long man Oh, I'm glad you enjoyed it Uh and the subsequent stream hopefully Australia is like elden ring everything is always trying to kill you and if you try to describe what it is attacking You no one will believe the insanity of the creatures It's true nor the existence of the land itself Uh join the rags ranks I don't do hard games Don't want my mediocrity used as a club that said I wouldn't take away hard games I wouldn't force an easy mode on folks elden ring is offending twitter. I consider this a win So I do play hard games Uh, I'm very good at video games. I play plenty of difficult video games I just this one doesn't appeal to me the souls games just don't appeal to me unrelated to this stream But I've been meaning to ask you guys if any of you have seen the animated bat metal music videos Nope don't think sorry.  Yeah, I guess that means I guess it depends what you mean by boring. Um Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I guess I don't think she's boring I just think she's nonsense.  Oh, I don't even know why you really had a generic Hero boy always out of nowhere dude. He's like the main character in the whole combat movie and he's just a generic man help For some reason it gets involved Godzilla movie that'd be awesome.   Just be like really fun That would be really fun Kano versus Godzilla Yeah It was when you were describing the ratio of monster fight to people talking Well, yeah, it's insane. There's way. Yeah, it's like Yeah, but the reason why we broke that up is because everybody prays at the monster fighting Everybody said Godzilla king of the monsters was really great because it focused on the monster fighting monsters And it didn't flat out didn't I think it was collected a while eight minutes.  It's not that I don't know if I would say it's just boring.  Yeah, I like them sometimes. They're right Other moments all the best high metal. I'm sure he would have said hi So who has beaten the goddess of rot yet? She cool Everyone they had except Obviously rags and ring. I think I think everyone had beaten it She's a tough one Uh, your elden ring streams got me through my daughter's stay at the hospital. She's doing better and playing it now. Thank you long man Oh, very good. Excellent to hear. Yeah, it's getting better now. Hope she likes it and that she's still doing better If you do movie faps of walking with monsters And future is wild you need to see animal planet a documentary about science-based aliens on a on the fictional planet of darwin four Or Maybe yeah, sure. I'm not sure what we'll be having up to in relation to all that And uh, Theo is right about clone wars. Oh my Bom bom bom Like rags. Hi rags Hello, these games aren't for me, but I definitely loved watching mohler as and others uh in their playthrough It's been super entertaining. Also happy there's an e-fap on it. She is all Um, yeah, I figure one uh It was it was such a cultural impactful game and I ended up putting over a hundred hours into it that I should probably maybe Chat a little bit about it since there's a chance to finally make an e-fap of our video games We don't get to do that after on you We were gonna do one for the halo campaign, but nobody played it Such a strange reality, isn't it? You wouldn't expect that to be the problem Well, yeah, because I didn't beat it and stopped like half way just gave up Did you even yeah, I heard people say this is really neat for five minutes and then everyone just forgot it existed It's crazy, man.  It's like man Yeah, that game just died instead What about um mcc how's that doing her numbers? Uh mcc has never been doing great because they also kind of botched that one Reach when that relates with reach it started strong, but then it really never recovered Is it more or less than uh Halo the master chief collection has yeah 3,500 on steam. Oh, yeah, so it's less. Yeah. Halo is in trouble Um in terms of this long term. There's no way there's no way I remember like a couple of weeks ago a month ago and people like yeah, but that's not taken into account xbox It's like I I don't give a shit Well, so I just don't believe that it's gonna be I don't know why I wouldn't expect the trends also be the same on xbox There are other games that you can play and they're they are there's no content No new content until For like another week another month and a half. I think before the next big substantial before the first Sorry, the first big substantial drop It's two maps Which is yeah, we're like it. This is like, um all guys put that Yeah, except for guys had more of an excuse they didn't realize it was going to be a big thing and they're not a triple A development studio That's the same problem of had many many years to make this you gotta get going guys. You just gotta get going It's all about momentum.  It's gone. It's gone um Because you guys have already decided that you are locked in to infinite for a while Um, but nobody's playing anymore. Everybody.  It's just like oh halo.  No, I haven't what's going on So I remember a few months ago. We found out that crystal dynamics people who made tomb raider and the avengers game Were brought on as like co-developers for perfect dark Um to help out a new team that was called the initiative now I don't know if you remember this but the initiative was marketed as the first quadruple a studio that was one of the marketing gimmick for them quadruple a That's got a lot of connotations Apparently that team is like half of the team has left. There's only like 50 people left at that studio crystal dynamics have come in To basically help them make the whole game Because nothing's happened progress has been incredibly slow Um, apparently microsoft is exceedingly lenient in this situation The developers who left a baffle that they haven't stepped in to like intervene That's that's what oh it's like so it's like halo infinite Um, well, it would seem like Yeah, so well, so what this is all based on what developers who've left the company said they said that they were told that It was going to be a collaborative space, but it was actually very top down um That there was not a lot of flexibility in terms of like development I think one of the creative directors of that game left as well recently. It's like man I don't know when half your team is gone, you know, and like Like the lead developer like the lead of the game is gone and you have to bring in another studio to help you make it There's no way that game is like Close and this was announced. I think over a year ago Yeah, uh just like um, I I guess um I had a perception I think like three or four years ago. I think I said, yeah Give them like three or four years and microsoft will have like all of their games ready now that they've got all these teams working on things and here we are like four years later and That's a totally rational thing to think it just so happens that their teams are just making this stuff just seems like um It just seems like they're not ready to Capitalize on all of these investments that they've made um Because the pace is just not there like, you know Like at least like with sony the games come out pretty regularly because these are teams that are like They're there and they're working and they're consistently making stuff like an insomniac is churning out games at a pretty staggering pace um I don't know because halo infinite was six years of development Um, I don't know where's held blade like that got announced like two years ago It's nowhere to be found at the moment Um, they announced a fable game. That's probably miles away um Elder scroll six is my then again that was bethesda star field Well, we got that's coming out this year.  I'm not sure I don't know Don't know if it's been said before but I think there's too many whirlwind attacks and a roll spam Uh, I assume Margaret does this a little whirlwind spin as well. Yeah, he do he do be doing that and I assume they mean by roll spam That that's the solution to a lot of stuff in the game Wow, I mean a lot of the enemies hold their arm up I've seen it market do it like four or five times They'll hold his arm up in the air and sort of walk around and not bring it down And all I can think is right. So this is I'm not fighting a guy. This is a boss in a video game who is Trying to take advantage of my rolls It's not very it's not a very graceful thing oftentimes Once that roll spam does not work it can It can work. Yeah Uh, everybody's talking about elden ring while I'm still addicted to destiny 2 the new expansion is by far the best It's ever had but sadly the base game is still garbage. I love the game, but I can't recommend I've heard it's gotten better, but yeah, that base game was a slog Yeah, I made a review about it. Damn. That was not a fun experience playing. No, it was not Very mediocre. We're digging into the lore there because this is before efap I rags I wanted to review it and I asked rags if we wanted to do co-op on the campaign we did Yep, we played through the campaign co-op and I was I was never impressed From the get-go. It was very mediocre Yeah, like, uh, oh, yeah, that was not and then I think we did a couple of strikes and then it's like, yes I think you were done and I said I'm gonna replay it again as a different class to see if that makes a difference It did not But it was yeah, that was one of my biggest problems is that the power of the the classes they have like one little ability It takes a long time for it to recharge and it's not that meaningful So it doesn't feel like there's any real difference between the classes when it came out Well, when there's only three classes, you know, like there's only three I should feel really distinct from one another Yeah And they just don't it's it's 98% the same with one little ability that was different and it's just And all the little passives you unlocked were just so dull. It was all dull Mm-hmm Give me a yeah, I make the three classes totally different from one another Give me a reason to have one of each character on my account You know what give me that original story that you were going to tell about how the traveler was actually the bad guy That would have been really cool Damn the destiny that we never got that we never got Allegedly that game had a story Uh, but it was basically just shoot the bad man Well, so like I said the the original story was uh Yeah, from what I understand the original story was meant to be that the traveler was actually revealed to be like the villain And was the source of all of these problems for humanity um And it's the reason why that rift area that they showed in one of the early trailers was a hub Because that was where you were eventually going to go at the end of the game when you discovered that Um, there were cut scenes that we saw in like 2013 There was a whole environment on earth that just wasn't there Um I feel like making the traveler with the bad ghost to obvious a twist, but there's nothing in like the original There's nothing there.  It's a story compared to what we got. It's a story Because destiny is high and have one And I mean, yeah, it really is just oh no, there's bad men go shoot them Oh, I can tell you about the fall of the golden age. I could tell you about them, but I won't Yeah That's kind of that game It's a story for another time. I mean it's uh Because joe staten was uh, because that was when he was still bungee before he left And uh, I remember that he's the the cited reason he gave for leaving was he wanted to like new opportunities like bigger opportunities It's like what's a bigger opportunity than then creating a whole universe from scratch for like a multi-million dollar ip Yeah, that they'd say we want to keep this and to be like a 10 year project or something What bigger shit? What do you have going on? Nothing you don't have come on Well, it's it's just I don't know a confluence of all these things happening Where like we have content that we see in 2013 that it's just not in the game when we see it next in 2014 it's like something something happened And so many prominent people leaving the studio like well, I think marty O'Donnell didn't leave he was terminated He was fired and then that caused all of the problems there with like the music and the spheres and everything It's a big old mess and I don't know I don't know. I was really I was really hyped for destiny I was so hyped I went to the midnight launch. I bought the 200 dollar special edition thing with the little ghost The disappointment set in eventually Eventually was that year? I learned my lesson game or it was it was my learn my lesson because I think a lot of us have that I learned my lesson game Yeah, I'm not sure what mine was. I might have I might have learned it from What was the space game no man's sky? I never got I never played it or got into it But I think I learned my lesson from it or maybe it was before I don't know But there was a point where I just stopped doing all the pre-order stuff and I was like, no So the funny thing is I think a lot of people it was watch dogs. I like watch dogs. I actually like that game I uh, I had a lot of fun playing it. I I think I like Beat all of the side missions and did a whole bunch of the side content as well um, I like that game watch dogs Legion I've heard is and watch dogs too is like downright great as far as I'm concerned, but uh um I don't know what happened with that third one. It seems like a bit of a Legion Legion where you can play as anybody. I don't know that gimmick doesn't mean a whole lot to me I think I'd rather have a fixed character. Yeah, I don't know Yeah, sounds good on paper. You could play as anybody.  A lot of people are saying fallout 76 It's like, yeah, you guys must be late to the party. I don't know I I can see how a lot of people it would be fallout 76 I can see it. Yeah, and cyberpunk was a lot of the peoples for the new one Um, like a new experience of that. I guess it depends on how active you were in gaming spaces Yeah, that was yeah um, I will say though, uh, we had been asked before Uh, if you could get any game like as a redo My my answer was a fallout 76. I think of all the games that have come out I would want that one. We I want us to get a redo on that game. Hmm. I think I would want to redo one destiny Um, I think yeah, that's another really good choice in my head that maybe Cyberpunk is a fair choice too. Yeah um Well, do you want amnesia rebirth? Fuck no Yeah, let's make remake that from the ground up and not keep anything they had And hey, I mean you could do because as much as I like watch dogs It would have been cooler if they had uh delved more into the um Hacking as a as a feature they should have think about all of the features that are emerging in the world that you could have with hacking That uh would be a little bit more involved I remember watch dogs two one of the cool things was it had a lot more use of like drones and stuff Uh that you could use for a whole different purposes 3d printing of like tasers Um, yeah, I like watch dogs two as a cool open world But I think that's probably no the last uber soft game was far cry 5 I think that was the last one I played and it's like, yeah, you basically just make it the same thing open over again But uh Feels like nobody talks about uber soft anymore though, you know, like they're just they don't come up in the discussion I think they get the the whole meme thing about all their games are kind of the same Well, it is a problem that they have. Um, I mean, yeah, and it's not I never hear their games are bad It's just that they're all just sort of meh Yeah, well, wow, and unfortunately it is it is I love those games, but assassins creed 2 and far cry 3 are really to blame for uh for what happened to uber soft They decided yeah instead of Yeah, I feel like some of those because I liked Far cry 5 I like far cry 4 and 5 the yeah, I they're both fun But I just Yeah, which is Fine to a degree, you know, it depends on how much I do it, you know I think it would be fine if it was just far cry But like that's what all of them ended up being oh odyssey that was the last one I played I played odyssey and I liked it. Um Until I was the last assassins, but I played and I did like it Well, the thing is is that it would seem like what happened with assassins creed Is that they kind of wanted it to be the witcher because it became a very different game It definitely different with origin origin was certainly a departure from what it had been not for Worse necessarily, but it just became something different. Yeah, and I liked what it was but It was almost like this is assassins creed in name only Yeah, this was a standalone egyptian adventure. I feel like it would fit more and make more sound I I know that this is kind of a death of the author thing But i'm pretty sure that like wow actually i'm i'm not even pretty sure like what assassins creed now is Is not what it was intended to be when they first made it Um, there's like I remember there was a document that was made. Oh like a stealth game Wow coming in there is that yeah, but I mean, it's even like other things too The idea with assassins creed was always that it was meant to be rooted in um historical events To like an extent that is somewhat reasonable. Of course, they did have the um, the like apples of eden as the big intrigue But you can see that there was a real attempt with like the earlier games try and slot these Yeah world at the time of the crusades the renaissance, you know the revolution um And now all of the games they're making are before one when one The whole idea with one is that there was a real faction the name assassins is derived from the faction that the games explore In the first game anyway the assassins who are fighting the template the Templars who existed in the crusades And all extended from that point on but now we've jumped well ahead of that. We're like thousands of years ahead Yeah, wouldn't it be cool to have assassins creed in this setting? Yeah, it's like it would be cool. But what do we sacrifice to get that? Yeah, I thought we decided that assassins creed starts with one You know like but it doesn't in fact assassins creed starts in ancient Egypt um And it feels like there was more Maybe it is just that when you're exploring Periods like the renaissance That it doesn't feel as much like are you doing the thing when I'm meeting like the Borgias or the um the Medici's that it kind of feels more natural as opposed to Oh, hey, you're hanging out with queen victoria. Hey, look, that's Napoleon Bonaparte. You met him. It's like All right Does anyone just meet Napoleon, you know that kind of thing It's well, it's just you meet all of the most important people in that time period Instead of hey, I ran until Leonardo da Vinci in his little studio and he helped me with the thing, you know Like okay Well, he's an active participant in the story and you contextualize it with well. He was an inventor. He had Yeah, he was ahead of his time very innovative Mm-hmm a true renaissance man Yes in the renaissance and the The renaissance men are coming right Leonardo da Vinci rides and on the source fire That's your oh that I told you the renaissance men were coming I'm not even in the era. All right next super chat. Let's go I found the tree avatars really fun on horseback Uh, I Think they are fine. As we said, they're like asylum demon. Um, it's just there's loads of them and they start to get tired Uh, and then the big floor of course is when they spam the um The scarlet rot spreading move the later versions of them. Oof annoying, but Uh, you know, they're not as bad as the ulcerated tree spirits I'll give them a Hot tank syndicate was good. I disagree, but I remember that.  I agree Uh So that's pretty controversial too. I think we upset many people in channel when we said that redone was shit Um, it seemed that way. He's been uh, he's the guy who was riding the little horsey So Yeah, yeah, no, I know him with no feet, right Yeah, I think so Use gravity magic. So stop making fun Gravity magic to ride his little horse with no feet Wait, no, sorry It's with no feet to ride his little horse. You gotta try and get him the right way around Uh, each bomb not here, I don't think each one we're guys gonna jump on any of that episode I wonder what he thinks of elden ring them. I don't know Maybe we'll make it. I mean he might he may want to make a video on it, right? He may Someone wants to dare sex one. I probably should that'd be interesting. Hey to finish it. I was liking what I saw so far Um, who knows what he ends up saying in it I kind of appreciate that that it seems like he's just willing because I mean talking about dare sex human revolution Specifically, it's like cool. You just felt compelled to talk about this game even though it's like not really relevant right now Yeah Item of the day hollow night's dream nail a blade that lets you read the current thoughts of those you strike Unless they're dead then you read their final thoughts Oh, yeah, that was cool item. I remember that Um an animal of the day the pygmy hippo All right Pygmy hippo Oh, yeah, look at him Seems pretty chill Yeah, that's me me, uh Aren't the plus one items in different areas than before The plus one items do you mean the The stuff to craft with or do you mean weapons that are plus one or I'm not entirely sure and do you mean like if they've been updated to be in different places? I'm afraid I just don't quite understand the question um Only michelash's best blood-borne boss It's okay that you think that No one's gonna harm you for thinking that You don't get anything from genichiro you get weapons and runes from grafted scion I'm not sure. I can't remember who genichiro is, but uh, yeah, I've seen people defeat grafted scion some It's tough, but they can do it In the opening. I mean Demon souls still has the best music made in astria And that's where it ends. So I'm guessing they say it is made in astria the name of a song. I don't know All right, it's boss in that game. I think oh there you go Uh as said I should stop by and say hello. Happy saturday. Well, how nice. Hello to you and happy saturday to you as well Uh mola, how do we know you aren't the tentacle monster in every hentai explain yourself schlong man bad? Because I just I don't enter those sorts of mediums, you know, I stay away from them It's scary. Who knows what goes on in them uh Glad to see you guys are still doing your best to keep subjectivity slash emotion from clouding your judgment of a piece of media Love you all malania and malakith are the best bosses. Imo also hyrax Hello Yeah, we just try and make sure we're not being too biased from stuff Figures, it's a strong way to get conversation going You should watch mathematosis video the lost soul arts of demon souls. I'm interested in your take on it Yeah So the the general sentiment is just the they used to create them as a form of Uh innovating on video games like what can we do about this thing that's expected by players? And how can we turn it on in his head and create new experiences? Meanwhile, I think he and uh Theo certainly believe this that Now it's more so just about refining the thing they made that was really popular Uh instead of Doxels and demon souls being created in a world where a game like that is absurd and crazy And why would you want to design things this way? Now we're at a point where everyone really likes that design And so it doesn't feel like that same motivation is there anymore Uh The only thing I take issue with is that some of the stuff he would classify as like really cool and interesting innovations Include stuff like michael ash and it's like, uh Okay, so when is it just terrible when is it that you start the game and it it crashes your pc That's innovative and weird, isn't it and it's like, yeah We're taking a series in a new direction a bold new direction new direction where it just blows your computer up It's like well, you weren't expecting that it's like no, I wasn't I was not expecting that Um And yeah, I just don't think of what we've gotten in like doxels three is often considered doxels one But refined everything is working as best as it should be but it doesn't really have anything in it That's like, oh shit. They're doing this And the most you can say for elden ring with that regard. It's like they added a jump like yeah, they did I don't know and it's like is that a problem. It's like, I guess not necessarily It's just something that a lot of players were looking for which was um new ideas to come from from software because they They were innovators back in the day, but right now they are refiners if I would say A good version of elden ring's opening is sultan sanctuary's first boss the unspeakable deep Okay, I can't do anything with any of that I don't know if you guys know anything about it No, I do not know about the unspeakable deep Also animals of the day are the syphonophores Oh, it's just the syph. Okay. So one of the syphonophores. Let's have a look dinosaur, right Uh Considering these dual images outside on the thing so I don't know how must we No, it's actually it's Oh, I remember because I cursed gazaaks talked about and they're like these little floating things in the deep And they illuminate to attract little fishies and then they grab them and eat them So this is a friendly creature Uh, I mean, I guess from it's friendly to itself.   A lot of people would have suffered a lot of people were using it. It was kind of neat Now he was talking about soul series being about using logic and now it's about pressing the dodge button at the right time I think you should watch the video again um Believe me when he talks about the lost arts of souls games talking about innovation instead of refinement Maybe you should watch it again. Me me. Yeah. Yeah Uh, it's a lot more than just the combat being uh roll when needed Uh wings quote life's not about what you have it's about who you have and how much you love them Oh, that's nice He was me must have been quoting somebody else And then bonus wings quote. I hope your parents die. I hope you live Live the rest of your life without them Well I think I know why those quotes are paid up Oh, man, he's grown as a person Where does that come from? Anger frustration Uh, the Elden Beast reminded me of a sonic the hedgehog boss What that perfect chaos I don't know. I get maybe um Theo saying it was very reminiscent of something from princess mononoke, but I haven't seen it Restraint lol ds2 guys were the main designers If they were they did a way better job than they did with ds2 Um, which doesn't really surprise me so probably given a lot more time this time around um Thoughts on the recent patch buffs and nerfs. Also, what do you think of the early rune exploits like getting 40 levels of runes in a few hours? I don't know what to think exactly once you know where you can go to grab loads of powerful early game stuff Does that hurt the game? It feels like it might You can do this in pretty much all the souls born games, but uh I don't know if it's ever been to this degree because there's open worlds. You can go to like really late game places and just grab Runes to to pop really early and so yeah, I don't know man Kind of tough to say as for the buffs and nerfs I mean, I really do think that they've nerfed a lot of the ashes. I think they need to be further nerfed They've nerfed blood and bleed. I'm still checking it out right now on a current playthrough and it's still um still hyper effective So like they know these things are broken, but they're just trying to figure out how much they should nerf them As for what is correct. It's a little bit complicated Um From everything I can tell with ashes they shouldn't have let them be upgradable and instead made them tears and restrict them with fp slash arenas Yeah, it's like they're half and half kind of there right they they don't let you use them when they think It would be broken to use them, but for some reason they don't realize that they've left it in a lot of places where it's still totally broken Uh that on top of the fact that all of them at a base level would probably be more balanced than letting them upgrade all the way to plus 10 Once you do that the like the mimic one, for example, it's just so powerful Uh bleed builds break pvp. It's downright unfun when everyone is using the same bleed weapon So this is something Theo was uh mentioning and on my recent playthrough I grabbed these little wolverine claws. I thought they were neat. So I decided to use them They caused bleed Just on their own and I was like, all right. Well, that's a benefit and bleed Um in case anyone doesn't know like rags, for example It's like it applies a number to an enemy and once that number reaches a certain amount they drop I think 10 percent of their health is one big bleed hit.  I've never Because in everything that I've ever played bleed is a very small but constant damage source that they take And generally it stacks through it stacks with consistency or sorry, it stacks with intensity Not duration So if you have if you are playing Risk of rain for instance A target will take x like a couple little ticks of damage Her bleed stack so it benefits a lot from applying many many stacks of bleed constantly Or you'll have a game where it's like in guild wars 2 where it does the same thing where bleed Is a a long Drawn out condition an enemy can have that applies a small amount of damage over time It doesn't just hit it doesn't burst. Yeah burst damage for bleed is a very odd concept And I think it would be Dot instead, but they've got They've got poison scarlet rot and rot as mechanics and all three of them do dot instead of Burst and so I guess they just want to bleed being burst Maybe I know in a like guild wars 2 for instance the damage over time affects They're they're all different in the sense of bleeding is it's the duration is longer But it does lower damage where burning is a much shorter duration per stack, but it does a lot more damage Um torment will do extra damage on enemies that are still if you move you will take less damage from it Poison uh does damage over time, but it reduces the amount of healing that you take by 50 percent or whatever So every kind of damage over time it has some extra Effect to it. It's not just flat out damage over time What's interesting is i'm pretty sure The bleed is percentage damage. Therefore you can have like the lowest amazingly well Yeah, well you can you can just have as long as your weapon's applying bleed It doesn't matter if it's dealing no damage. You'll eventually kill them because of the bleed stacks Um Which is strange generally it does a flat amount instead of percentage wise because again percentage wise it is those are huge those are super important in games because of scaling It's not a flat number. It's by percentage Well, and you got that right and and so I was looking at my weapons. I was like, what can I do with them ashes of war is kind of a It's kind of a variation on an older thing. I think people were saying it was present in the other game So I don't think it's in ds1. I'm trying to remember where it started, but You essentially apply a weapon art, um, which means Like an extra move your your thing can do it could be that you jump and slam down to the ground And it does just a bit of aoe damage or you swing swing swing real fast, but it costs fp is the point Which is like your mana um, there's some though that you can get which I got from my wolverine claws which Just makes it like a frost variant. And so it applies frost damage, but it also still applies bleed damage now frost Or frost bite very different from bleed. It applies a number and once that number reaches a point It'll take a chunk of their health off this percentage based Very different than bleed um We have both of those running at the same time And you get the boss fight, right?  I don't know because the conclusion you have is that surely the developers don't want us Nuking the bosses with like standard equipment You'd think you'd think uh, it's hard to tell When when when talking about The kind of conditions Because like I think gilders too is a good example It tends to be because you have your deep you have essentially two dps types broadly speaking Which are power and condition damage, which you probably know what that means Um, or one will I will hit you with my whatever weapon and it will do a lot of damage And the other is I will continuously apply stacks of condition damage to you to do my damage over time and There are ways that they play with condition damage in terms of You can Have enemies take your boons and turn them into conditions and vice versa You have characters who can give themselves conditions and then send like they use an ability But it gives you conditions, but you can Find a way to transfer those conditions to enemies So that will affect sort of the order at which you will use your abilities and stuff Um, there are ways to like like there's always there's like there's a lot of thought that's placed into Not just oh just hit them a lot and give them a lot of this thing and then it does a lot of damage Like there's there's more depth to it than that you got to be careful with that I guess when when you're talking about these negative boons and these conditions or else they could get out of whack Like bleeding seems to be well and some people are saying that frost doesn't just take a chunk of their health off It also makes them Weaker the defenses are weaker just overall. So you'll hit the more after you've applied frost as well.  I don't really mind. I think a lot of people Play anything that comes out unless does that mean something else? What does it mean to be a millennial gamer geek? What is that? No idea. I don't actually like I said, I I legitimately do not know what that means I could not tell you that is if it means you jump on new games. I do indeed Yes It's just like ds3 they refuse to nerf bleed and the updates ended with bleed builds being op and that's all the Meta builds were in multiplayer Yeah, maybe they just want it to be this way. I don't know um Rags I've seen your favorites on fa Oh, all right Omen king is so good, but way too underpowered as a boss Oh omen king Do you mean the Because uh the the kappa demon sort of guy is called omen something but omen king I'm not 100% sure who that is one sec omen king Elden ring Oh That would be more god Uh, yeah, his health Yeah, uh You also fight like a Some weird vision of him again and when you get to the outskirts of the capital is kind of strange, but uh Hmm. Yeah, his problem seemed to be that he just did not have the health to Certainly not against ashes, but maybe uh because i'm doing a run now with no ashes and I think i'm having a lot more fun engagement with the game um Anyway funny youtuber of the day is circle tunes hd All right, I feel like wait hold on have I heard of that channel? I don't know Uh No, actually I I haven't I mean, I don't know The little cartoons about uh, oh wait. No, I think I have some the little little cartoons about video games Neat. Yeah And the long youtuber of the day is windagon Windagon, I guess You guys heard of windagon No, I don't doesn't ring a bell. I'm not sure about that Um And uh hytheo of which I'm sure he would have said hi back Do the tiny rat mini boss in hades is more difficult than gideon Uh in hades. I don't either you guys play hades No, no, I have not played hades. I have not either Uh, I think metal has But um, I'm pretty sure he has yeah Oh, I'm else at windagon is cool. Is it windagon or windagon? One of those two Okay But yes, uh, I hear hades is good That's what I've heard. Yeah, I should play at some point. I'm sure Okay The law is literally mastered gravity to ride his horse and you learn that after you learn he's gone insane with time and rot now It's hilarious It is kind of hilarious. Yeah It is funny. It is a non visual Uh I just realized by the way the clocks Are moving tonight for britain Which means Wait, is it tonight or is it saturday? I think Wait, what's that? Sorry the clocks if it's saturday. Well, because I was just thinking like What should I tell people is the start time for efab on saturday if the clocks move back or for on saturday Saturday night, I think they move so I should be I think it's the last week. I can say it's um It's gmt. It's going back to bst soon. I think that's your idea. So you're moving you're moving forward an hour then Uh, I believe so Which means I have to wake up an hour earlier All right, it begins and then you have to go another hour earlier once you do your clock One of mine switches. Yeah Oh boy Back to them early morning Can we talk about how radon turns into an icbm? It's pretty spectacular A little bit absurd, but that's fine.  Yeah, I just I just you know It seems that there's a lot of maybe he's like a point of contention for the fans. I don't know Radon is a good boy. He loves his horse clearly clearly um You know a night's tale with the joker vision and robber baratheon most underrated movie I know if that movies also wish add these. Oh my goodness You're you're in luck. We've already recorded some movies for that very movie. Mm-hmm I believe uh, was that with bad and drinker and sargon? I think so. Yes. Yeah, it is. Yeah Oh things are on the way perpetually Uh Blythe is more of an artorias than radon in both the lore and tragedy. I mean, he doesn't Yeah, he looks way more like an artorias than a radon. He doesn't he doesn't have a little horse that he rides on this With gravity magic, you know, it's it's things about him that but yeah, maybe the lore-wise probably connects better as well Uh, soul of cinder is a great Is great for a final boss It's first phase is the four general play styles players beat gwin in in ds one And then the final phase is using gwin's own move set as if an in attempt to stay alive Uh, yeah, a load of thought went into the final boss And I think even if people considered him too easy, they still appreciated the uh, the ideas behind it I found them pretty hard. Honestly. I uh, I struggled with him compared to some other bosses Like I found the best watch is a lot easier He was a lot harder. No wait. No a lot easier. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah a lot easier I think um It beats soul of cinder first try, but I was like that was a great boss Which doesn't happen very often. That's why I asked the question about that I was like, do you beat many bosses first try that you think are great? So it doesn't Oftentimes if you you know floor them then you don't even get to know what they do But I think I had trouble with him and only just made it Um If you're done with elden ring molly play hollow knight preferably on stream also Uh Oh, wait. Well, that's that's the first part and yeah, I'm interested in playing it properly at some point. Um It's a cool game And there's a special evo of the day all town droves slash aliens play spore with humanity Uh I'm a little confused by that. Yeah Um neuro to matter stream highly recommend like elden ring, but better never played any souls born stuff Oh, um How do you know it's better than but fair enough I hear good things about it Should I before buying er to fully enjoy it Oh, they're saying should they play any other souls born stuff? Well, um Another point I'm just saying if you've seen people play you should be able to gather whether or not It's the kind of thing you might enjoy or not. Um, I'd imagine as for whether or not you should play other ones first Uh, I feel like you'll be okay both ways. I don't know Because uh, once you watch Yeah, once you watch a couple of hours someone playing elden ring you've probably got an idea of whether or not it's for you right, I think I would imagine Also, you dumbo's are on elden ring when ddlc needs playing hop to it Well, maybe one day we've definitely been told to watch that That is definitely something Uh crucible knights are just worse black knights that you can't backstab and stagger that much. I hate it I gave an audible groan every time I see one Uh, yeah, crucible knights have gotten a lot of criticism. Um I don't think I hate them, but they've given me trouble. I don't know hard to say Uh crucible knight is the prime example of why combos need to be limited and some combinations of attacks shouldn't be put together I assume what they're referring to is how Certain enemies can like do a two hit combo or a three hit combo or have pauses in between and it just completely throws you off Um, because you don't exactly know where your opportunities lie Uh an hour behind but the worst part of the game is the input delay for heavier weapons So you can't even dodge on time often and take unnecessary hits That's actually something that I'm not a huge fan of sometimes they'll queue up Orders you've given your character if so say for example Someone's about to hit me with a weapon and I spam roll.   I feel like it doesn't quite evoke the thing. I'm talking about to me buffering Yeah, cute. Yeah, yeah cute inputs is a really good way to describe it because you have made an input and the game is Cue and get up. Yeah, instead of doing it as they happen And if you because generally in games if you tell Your guy to do something and I can't do it. It just doesn't happen Mm-hmm Offering is lag cute inputs are intentional.   I just don't get it Now she's just a poor man's michelash not as cool or anything close to how awesome he is So he's not very awesome, but At least he had his own location cutscenes and uh very You know straightforward method of killing him Miriam is someone that I think a lot of players don't even know What the hell they're supposed to do with her While she annihilates them with loads of spells michelash just runs away so you can you know at least try to Figure it out instead of while you're trying to figure it out.  Yeah Why does this world have weapons like katanas and a sword called the svihander? Did the devs just scatter random shit in for fun? um Yeah basically Because it's not at all based on our history this world You just have to believe they also happen to have these weapons in their world I can believe that they have a big sword I think they they're literally talking about the names they're giving them the name. Yeah. Oh, yeah It would make sense if they did not have human names so to speak Uh svihander implies german-spoken history katanas imply different smithing techniques. Um Some misbegotten sing in latin why I have not got answers for you on that one I think they're just melding cultures. They think are pretty neat. You know what? What is the uh What's the um from software they're japanese, right? Yeah How come nobody ever tells from software To stay in their lane and stop making these stop appropriating Yeah, stop appropriating western culture. No one no one ever tells them not to do that Maybe because they like that work That's it. Just like if you like if I if you do something I like that. I'm okay with it Yeah, that's interesting. You you never Yeah, you never really hear it about like from software, do you? Never really do they get a pass for some reason they They're west of booze west of booze Uh, I do think some bosses are good But because they're reused a lot it ruins the novelty of them and makes them look a lot weaker because of it that and arena size And the funny thing is I don't even know if you're saying the renas are too big or too small I actually don't know as for um Boss repetition. Yeah, it can have effects that are not preferable Uh Forget fringy the only good that I'm interested in is the kind you get from milking jay's rhino if you know what I mean Oh, if you know What I mean He's got a big horn that rhino I have the self-imposed rule of no summons on first time bosses any repeat bosses. I go summons The interesting rule. I don't Don't think it's that bad Yeah, you do it The ashes I think are a response to the people who supported the no easy mode argument That's what I'm guessing to it It's easy mode without an easy mode. Yeah, it's it is an easy mode without an easy mode And this is the thing people were like it is not easy mode as a part of the game I just feel like I mean that is that's I mean easy mode is a part of the game Yeah, that's what like an unbalanced game you could say something at this point. It's tomato tomato It's literally just it doesn't change what it is. It's just whether or not you say That it that it's a certain thing. It's effectively easy mode. Like I said, it's It's they're easy mode without putting in an easy mode Just because you don't select easy at the difficulty selection when you start a new game doesn't mean the game can't have an easy mode There's a reason why when things are often unbalanced gamers refer to them as easy mode Because it's effectively what it turns the game into Mark to be fair.  I'd be interested in seeing it I've been told is a movie where tom holland is very much not your standard tom holland performance That's reason enough to get a shot But no, I have not seen it Uh, just don't use life jams. Hi rags I remember the argument. I remember everyone saying it's like just don't use the healing and at that point Is any game truly Just don't use the unbalanced thing and every game is balanced. Um, not sure I really care for that argument And I've said before if you unlocked the life gems when you beat Like the 90% way into the game boss or something. I should be like, yeah, that's mostly fine But you get it after the tutorial boss. I don't see how that's The thing that you it's just like, yeah, just don't use it. It's okay Uh, don't use anything but a club. No hit run or bust I mean, yeah, if you want to make the hardest challenge See to me, this is like, yeah, you you just add the word challenge on the end of any any of these restrictions It's not the game. We're talking about the game. You know what I mean? Come on Uh, counteract the just don't use it is in the game and a problem. It's still something to critique It has to be talked about so it'll be uh, then it can be fixed You can't dismiss a problem or you won't it won't be fixed Yeah, and we're strictly talking. It's not even the mechanic. I don't like I like it I just think it needs to be balanced if we're talking about the ashes It's too unbalanced when I unlocked tish I was just like fucking blown away that they gave her a or he I don't even know an ability that Can just chunk Remember when I was showing it on stream like the final boss tish was just shredding it I didn't know to do anything really The just don't use it argument is part of what ruined pokemon for me The argument shows a lack of standards and giving creators an out You're doing the creators work for them and that's not how a game should work again If it's on the players to restrict themselves, then what does balancing even mean? I just don't I don't understand anymore. There wouldn't be any efforts from the devs to do any balancing at all It should just be on the on the communities Uh part to do it all Teaching at this point just make sandboxes for us to play with yeah, we'll take care of everything else Each pit with by the way that can happen to some degree. It's funny like uh lol has a popular mode called aram Which is just one lane and everyone just keeps fighting again again back in the day They only had summoners rift And people would create custom matches and then everyone has to agree like on an honor system to only go to the middle lane Everyone's in the middle lane. They fight like that. That's where aram was spawned from And so you'd be like that's like a self-imposed community sort of restriction It's like yeah, but they were just waiting for the devs to make the mode for them And then they did Like that you could argue it could be framed as a problem with the game that they're not given this obviously fun and cool mode Or something like that and I think that's how everyone would frame all of this that There'll be people who are very unhappy about losing their ashes effectiveness if they were to update it But I mean it can't be intentional that you can ignore bosses with them Unless It is the journalisms Which makes us wonder right? We don't want them to have so much influence that they can make it so the games are trivial Tish paired with the black knife super melts bosses like they are normal enemies Also, I wish bully maguire was a spirit ash. Oh, yeah That'd be great And um, yeah, there's a lot of different ways To destroy everything in the game. I'm pretty sure pizza cutter was like one of them And that was given to me as well. It wasn't like a huge find or anything Uh game doesn't have widescreen support. Just don't use it Well Enemies can't deal with r1 spam. Just don't use r1 Game is poo. Just don't play it But I mean this this logic is weird Be a chump Also, you can only summon around those little obelisk thingies. How is there one in the elden beast arena?  It's part of the game What do they mean by spinning exploits? Uh, when you like spin rapidly, uh, like a block before it goes down It gives you a lot more time to figure out where you want to put it Uh, and sometimes it can get you out of a bind But um, wouldn't that be um Game dependent because there's so many different tetruses Uh, it would depend on like the modes that you have or the variables that play But I mean, it's I would say that's a part of the game a lot of the time that you can spin And then that gives you a little more time to figure out where you want to place your block or just slows things down Yeah, because if it's in every tetris game, then that sounds like it's on purpose. It's like a feature. Yeah, I Um, I'm not sure that if it's in every tetris game, it'd be hard to say And then if it isn't then I guess that's only an exploit for the ones that it applies to If it's an exploit at all Yeah Well, it's kind of like um, it's bx are an exploit, you know Golden I know You know It's something that became like a core mechanic that a lot of people utilized in competitive Golden I know odd job allowed isn't the same as summon ashes But I guess they're saying like it was like an almost agreed upon thing with people that you wouldn't play as odd job because his Hat would be an insta kill on uh Golden I I think and that made him I thought was he the little No, it's not okay Odd job is the one with the hat Uh, something being unbalanced is inherently a flaw my I don't think it depends on a lot of context Uh It says hard disagree Sekiro is the best from software game because your toolkit is so narrow it lets your It lets the developers design fights to account for one strategy instead of five That doesn't sound that sounds like an alternative not like a I don't know that that's necessarily better or worse really Then they say tighter combat by far, which that could be very well true. I haven't played it I've heard people compliment I've heard people compliment the combat in that game quite a bit uh Why is chat always puritism? Because they wouldn't be chat if they weren't like that. All right. They gotta have their crazy opinions and their super rational opinions It's a big old thing of stuff Uh general youtube chat.  Why? Why are you the way that you are?  The thing is it's uh, it's a mechanic That applies to like a level of connectivity multiplayer pvp like there's all these Elements that come on across it and I actually still think it is an exploit to invite a friend Who is like 10 billion levels ahead of you and he just kills the boss for you I don't even think would is that controversial to say that that point you're really not playing against the bosses at all? Oh Don't see why it should be. I don't see why anybody would disagree with that It's just like, yeah, you're not really doing it at that point. You're just having someone else do it for you Which is the same problem The only thing is it's harder to access Um, it's it's less likely to while this game like I think the the third focus Grace point you go to Introduce ashes to you And they're like you should use these these are important. They're a tool in your arsenal. You're like, oh, okay And I don't think you can summon for every boss in all the games, right? They have limits on that Or maybe they don't I can't quite remember but you need to be as well in doxel when you have to be um unhollowed you have to be like a I forget what the name is You can't just summon you need you have to do some other stuff Um spirit summons are more reliable than other players. That's another thing you once you unlock Uh the mimic Like you get that every time That's not some kind of like luck of the draw because there are some summons you can get like target a Tarkis Who will annihilate the iron golem? Um, but there are some you can get that just get beaten straight away by uh the bosses Like I can't remember how well sif does against manas But uh Uh, you also need the summoning item in a lot of the games. Yeah, I think all of them make you have to have particular items Except ds1 that only requires you're not hollow, but at the same time that's still resources That will run out Um, and you use an ember in ds3. Yeah, and if you use one you are then susceptible to invasions, which Oh my do I love invasions That's my favorite mechanic in all of the things Tarkis might be it's it's it's so is so good Mm-hmm. Is it great when you're just trying to play game and someone fucks around with you. Oh, yeah That's my favorite thing is yeah, that's that sounds like a lot of fun when you're trying to play game and Just yeah, and they come in with these weapons that they've got Deliberately to like get the best instant kill on you and then they do a little like teabag or whatever And they're really proud of themselves and you're just like thank you. That was great I was I was playing here, but Okay, you sure showed me by coming into the game. I was playing Mola has weird tastes. I mean Apparently it's pretty mainstream at this point Elden ring, you know, and I like it. I don't think that's that weird I'm glad they changed invasions to be opt-in only.  Do you know how useful a decoy is in a Dark Souls boss? Very very very useful. Even I know that and I haven't played it. They are designed to like Fight and destroy a single target the second that they move to a different single target you have them completely open This is why the jellyfish is like incredibly useful even though I think that's the first one you're directly given I think the wolves have given you directly and then jellyfish Wolves and jellyfish are both really good just because they can even for a moment make the boss lose his sight on you Um, but upgrade the jellyfish and it actually takes a while for any boss to kill the jellyfish And therefore you have plenty of opportunity First of all healing is supposed to be like difficult or not supposed to be it is difficult with a lot of boss fights Because they keep attacking you and so you're like when's my opportunity to heal in the same way that when is my opportunity to attack This is like a Back-and-forth thing that you need to understand in the game H1 my guy complained that He doesn't like getting hit when healing and it's like yeah healing is a thing that benefits you and that you have to be You have to earn the heal sort of thing But if you have him distracted, it's like, yeah, I guess I'll heal Now I guess I'll go attack like it's much more chill Um, and they they're essentially free. They cost you a bit of fp for sure, but like some of the Ashes are really cheap um Okay, so then sleep pots are off limit then I've never tried sleep pots. I didn't even know how good they were um Missibles and you can get it from a price from the maidens husk Yeah, the the the the maiden people sell them as well and if you're missing the shop in the hub world I don't know what to say at that point uh So yeah, just to tell me that you didn't find them useful at all because they were mainly just decoys It's really weird because that's an incredibly useful element Um, I think theos said that he opted out of using them at first because they cost fp When he wanted to spend it on his like weapon arts and stuff But eventually he realized as did for tier that they'd way too powerful and so it was just making the game pointless Um Which to be fair I think it as I said it damaged my play through the game because of How much it ended up being too useful. There were some fights. I think where it worked But some fights were just like oh well, that's over Uh sleep pots stun pretty much everything and put fat godskin into pretty much perma sleep. Holy shit I didn't even know that this is the thing Uh, that's interesting to me about Elden Ring the longer people play it the more they'll find out all the ways to beat it And I think it'll probably become If the knowledge is public enough one of the easiest out of a lot of the games Wouldn't surprise me I was happy to get them so getting wrecked with my mage in the beginning. Yeah Have you done a playthrough without ashes now mel? How's uh, how's it been going? Yeah, uh, anyway, um The issue with delayed attacks from what I can tell is they look like regular attacks the telegraphing for the attacks and the combo lengths are oof That's how they're gonna get you This is uh, too many people are aware of how from software stuff works. So they got to keep changing it up And I don't disagree with Theo's assessment where they no longer come across as enemies anymore They come across as mechanically designed to account for people who can roll and have eye frames in this in this world Also reminder, I love Theo, but he can be overly harsh and have silly opinions like everyone can but people are overly harsh on him Give Theo love And I think that's fine That's fine Uh My current kill bosses with items only is without ashes as well My tanky boy is completely without ashes. Yep. Have you Did you get through the whole game with them? Because I know you got uh, to at least like the howling tree and stuff I was curious how, um, milania worked out I think as well as sent me a message saying he killed milania on his new game plus I assume he used ashes. I don't I wouldn't blame it all for that Um, but it is it and the fact that I'm asking that alone seems to be pretty important, right? Like if people were like, oh you beat the game. Did you use ashes? And if you were like, why would you ask me that? What difference does it make? It's like, well, that's That is the difference people feel that um It's that much help that it's a different experience And if someone wants to argue it's fine to have a different experience. I'd be like, okay fine But still, uh, did you do it without or with because One is much harder Like malekith was a really huge shock to me in relation to that it was a It was night and day with uh with a mimic or not Um, I got to howling tree and then I got to the idea of trying to kill some bosses with the items the next day So I have to finish it Well fair enough Uh, today's animal of the day is the lunar moth The lunar moth Let's have a little look say take a look. Oh, that's lovely. It's very it's an odd one. Um It is a purpley green. I can't look. I'm super busy drawing godzilla and pyjamas All right, I will um I see Oh, look at him It's neat the lunar moth The royal revenants the guys who keep using yellow black portals and poison breath are probably the biggest example of unpredictable attack patterns Yeah, they have like seven hands or seven arms.  So Oh, great fun fun fun fun Yeah I think ashes of war are fair considering how poorly designed some of the fights can be What do you guys think about that? What that if the fights are poorly designed that like the ashes are fine Um, so that's like compounding problems under problems. Yeah This one aspect is so poorly designed I have to counteract it with a different aspect that seemed poorly designed Well, it's just not the complement that you wanted there. I think Yeah, I mean to solve the balancing issue. We made them absurdly Damaging enemies that or just poorly designed in the way of being able to beat them.  What's the tree? The truth with all the holes in the ground that is the bed of chaos But I imagine that when you look at your average mob versus bosses, there's like two different categories Bed of chaos such a funny name for something that is just known to be notoriously awful Uh, don't think invisis ass is without bad assuming you find the torch that can be killed pretty fast if you see them So the whole problem Is assuming you find the clutch the people that haven't found the torch. It is a nightmare.  These assassins did kill a god that does not why would If you are if you are grabbed invisibly and then they take half of your health with that move And then they're invisible after it ends. You have no idea what's going on to say like yeah, but narratively. They're powerful It's like, okay all right Awesome, what I could I could tell Yeah, I appreciate their consistency with their own lore um I think arena size is a problem in this game some are way too big for bosses others are way too small Interesting thought I haven't I haven't really thought about it I'm glad the invisible man don't know how to climb ladders agreed Radagon's red wolf was left in the debate hall to guard ranala because Even though radagon cucked here. He still wanted to protect her Okay I think uh, there was a question of why was there a big red wolf inside the debate hall. So there you go It wouldn't surprise me if they were lore reasons for all of the things that happen in the game It's just that acquiring those reasons requires Many a visit to the wicket of the lore reasons for anything. Yeah In a certain dungeon, I had skeletons poke through and shoot through a fog gate Incredibly frustrating. Why can't they just see me? Why can they even see me through it? I had that with uh, god's gonna parcel a couple times. I was hitting the back Uh, when I was after having walked through the fog wall, you'd think the fog wall would make you immune to anything behind it But not quite Shield shield easily counters Sorry shield counters easily annihilate all birds All right Just like real life.   Why did why do so many game devs think that i'm just like afraid of numbers?   It's out. It means it'll extend your iframes It's like how was I supposed to figure that out exactly and Uh, thank goodness that You uh, you have the internet I suppose Thank god.  You don't even need to change the menu more You're making added a defense buff sound worse than it is other non-specific descriptions are true though The fact that well it wouldn't matter right like the fact that there are many that you actually have to go out and test yourself In order to see what it actually did is still unacceptable um Then again maybe literally it's not like development time or anything.  What does that mean? Yeah Like what is what is what is two armor mean? Is that mean that decreases damage taken by two or two percent or Things like yeah, I don't know what that means You're gonna have to tell me what these numbers mean not just what they are but what they mean Like it was the same for armor a lot of people have been saying like I switch up to the what is like I used to have 20 armor on everything and now I have 60, but I really didn't feel anything different. It's like Yeah, the human brain doesn't necessarily know how to Take this info and use it Two armor means it's not zero armor That's true. That's probably true. Yeah, you especially in games when you could feel like you're doing way better than you actually are doing So you can deceive yourself into thinking something's balanced or not It's it's why I hate Why I generally hate what like stealth Updates that will rebalance like items or equipment and things and the devs don't say it in the patch notes Said that it's just a secret stealth balance Well and like Someone said you're only gonna feel the differences in the extremes So it's not true if you if you upgrade your health by 10 And you see your health bar increased by that little little bit you're like, yeah, I can see that and that's what I just did It depends. Yeah, the subtle things can't because because we'll talk about like thresholds, right if you do 50 damage with your sword and enemies have 100 health you will notice when the enemies start having 101 health Because that is a huge threshold just a single point that changes all your hits from a two hit to a three hit And you will absolutely notice that so These are the things that I want to know in games. It's important. Like it's part of the experience.  I'm just working off of um I'm just working off of Mysterious general information and I'm trusting that it really does what it says it does a lot of the times Putting defensive stat numbers might be considered immersion breaking Why? No, it's not I promise you it's not with all the numbers we have currently. Why would adding those ones be immersion breaking?  I didn't realize there were like big explanations of things or whatever, but um You know that's something I guess I found more through his DS2 video and here we are talking about Elden Ring.  Oof It's such a it's such a from software thing to do that is So there's there's so many examples of that across the whole series of just things We are like, why did you do that just to just to be mean is that it? Everyone always talks about from soft games while completely forgetting armored core was a thing that a ninja blade their actual best game I mean, yeah, normally people think of from software as the souls born experiences at all now Uh In 2013 when the ps4 launched they were talking about 1080p 60 fps in all their marketing talk No game ever did that on a base ps4 Uh, none of their first party games.  It's like no way ratchet and clank 2016 was the first ratchet and clank game That didn't go for 60 Um First party. I remember that uh killzone shadowfall That was really choppy infamous second son was 30 Uncharted was 60 multiplayer, but 30 Uh, oh man the order 1886. Whoa flashbacks to that game that game is uh 30 it's not even 1080. It's it's 1920 by 800 because that's more cinematic. Yay Um, I'm just until dawn nope Uh blood born definitely not uh spider man. No god of war nope, uh horizon zero dawn though Uh, pretty sure the last man cool. Hey god of war three remastered. Hey at least I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that's actually I never even realized that that not I don't know that a single first party sony game like a single major first party sony game targeted 60 except for uncharted and multiplayer Wow Oh, I guess gran teresmo probably did and that's it Huh Yeah, there you go. I remember when that conversation was happening. I don't care about the resolution so much, but um gran autismo I remember was that was the big debate right battlefield four was 900p on playstation and 720 on xbox And everybody's getting into the arguments about that Those were the days those were the days. Yeah kind of Man, I remember back when I played battlefield three on the xbox 360 Yeah, I remember on ps3 It was 16 v 16 No, it was uh, I think it was 12 v 12. It was uh 24 players. Yeah, I think it was 12 v 12 Let me double check Let me I remember when I when I finally got my pc And then booted up battlefield three It was a whole new world.  You're right 24 12 v 12 Yeah God damn I remember when I played that on pc for the first time. It was like, oh my god. This is this whole world I don't know three was the first it was basically among the first That in skyrim, I think I played um crisis two that was mine as well For what? Like on pc when I got it for my those were the first two games that I've got for my like super duper Yeah, yeah when I first one I got yeah when I got my first pc It was it's battlefield three in skyrim were the two that I had extensive experience with On console and then played them on pc and I was like yep pc We're just it's not even a concept.  What have I been doing? It was it was a very transformative day when I was playing battlefield. It was like 64 players And like I just everything so clear visuals every yeah and everything's blurry I can aim I could aim so well Yeah, like everyone's everyone's way better and I had to just learn but I got over that quick And that was over browsers and things and like I can pick the games Yeah, you had to go to battle log and use the browser That I know when the very few times I went back to the xbox and played battlefield three I was like man.  I am a god amongst mortals I wouldn't go that I I remember it's just It was a good time aim like between the snap aiming and the aim assist and We we notice that in a this is apex's biggest problem Is that like aim assist is very real for console players or people who play on controller Um, it is pretty darn substantial So like I'm really good at that. I play with people who are really good And we notice controller players will just Full send straight into your face So that they can get that aim assist advantage up close Because you're so much more effective when the game's fucking playing for you And it is it's staggering But that's that's one of the that's one of the biggest weaknesses of apex legends is uh that there's a There is definitely aim assist that you get on a controller or on a console I uh, I saw someone asking like about who made auto rates in 86 That was uh ready at dawn who made uh, they made a really cool game called daxter for psp I'm not sure if any of you guys played that it was like a little spin off of jack and daxter It follows the one year that he spent in haven city No, it was uh two years. He spent in haven city separated from jack And you go down into the sewers and you hunt bugs That was a really cool game. Uh, they also made the uh, they also made the god of war psp games I believe and then they made the auto Um, and yeah That didn't turn out so very good Uh Art style greater than graphics any day sometimes for people it's hard to tell the difference, but it makes all the difference I agree art styles don't age Uh in the same way that That our graphics do it's like it's like graphics versus how you use the graphics Uh, yeah, essentially how are you because graphics?  Is it? Super unbalanced. I think many people have many opinions on that Uh radon is so perfectly designed that dsp beat him first try Also, he's been looking up guides to cheese the game and still has over 300 deaths. Hi fringy Hey Build dsp. I I'm probably gonna have more deaths than he will I imagine by the time I'm done Um I was being sarcastic by the way also funny how rags left before you got to the topic of worst enemies slash arenas Did we I thought we covered quite a bit of uh I think you talked about worst bosses Yeah, we definitely did that Yeah, I I think so Worst I don't even remember us having a topic of like worst arenas I believe for Two hours or so then I came back And shockingly we were still streaming. Could you believe it? Shocking I couldn't believe it Uh, I loved getting elden ring. It's something I wanted for a few years, but I don't need another They should take a break from open worlds All right, I don't know. Yeah, do whatever you want really. I don't know. I'm not I'm not too bothered by the idea of them Making um making another one like this. In fact, I probably would assume they will um But you know Neat experiment and stuff. I was also mad that it's not dark souls one to be honest Well, only in the aspects that I think dark souls one is better It's better than dark souls one in a lot of aspects Because of uh, just stuff they would have learned But unfortunately I don't know what it is But I feel like the healing system in dark souls one nailed it and no other game seems to agree. They all try their own thing And uh, we'll get there eventually. Maybe I don't know Elden ring is the most innovative game in decades. Elden ring could benefit from more narrative Lock-off sections and require story missions any sort of narrative connection to the characters Fucking hell So you're saying that it's innovative in mechanics I'm assuming not story from what you just said and at the same time I'm not trying to be mean to the game, but I really wouldn't describe it as innovative It didn't steam that way based on what I saw I think it's what we've had before But expanded into an open world which is I think they've done a decent job I just don't know that we've seen anything here that's new A lot of times when a game is really good I don't want to hear for the sequel. We're trying to innovate is like Maybe just like really refine the awesome thing you did before Yeah, I think that's what we've got here Which again more than ready to compliment it on those on those things. I just don't know what Like like what was the last game you guys played that you felt this has changed the this has changed game design to some degree Uh, and recently because a lot of the examples I've been going from a while ago We talked about um assassins creed earlier Most recently I would assume recently being like at least in the last 10 years if not sooner Uh, in which case Like a game and it's sequel the sequel to a game That innovates in a way that it just oh or even just a game that's innovative and in and of itself. I suppose Let me chat. It's got some suggestions. Which are three because I'm kind of yeah, I'm trying to think about Last of us two for the wrong reasons. I don't even know what your reference exactly Innovative storytelling Um Are you for uh, yeah really do have a force definitely up there I oh, I I mean if we're going that recent then Grand Theft Auto 3 As in like but I thought in the last like minecraft is a great example. Honestly. Yeah minecraft's a good one Uh portal. Yes, I would agree Uh Yeah gives a war one probably ought to count. I think um Exist is tough a lot of games tried to do what Gears of War did I suppose that's how we would measure it right how many copycats there were and thus dark souls would count maybe maybe Dark souls would definitely count. Um, maybe which is funny. I guess more so than demon souls Even though demon souls kind of it started it, but it didn't have the influence of dark Didn't make the mainstream thing. Yeah Battlefield four. No, no, no, it wouldn't be battlefield four because four was just a refinement of three and I guess the thing is is destructible environments was bad company Yeah, maybe maybe it would be what red faction was the Red faction. Uh, I think oh, yeah red faction did have the I guess I was talking about battlefield Specifically, I do want to make clear as well We aren't talking necessarily, but the first one to do it is the one that had the influence to push it forward Or something everyone else like to pick up Call of duty four Call of duty four. I think yeah, I think that's fair Um, I think people why are you saying the last of us two was what's everyone referencing with the last of us two exactly Yeah, I don't know what's innovative about it I would I would even give the title to last of us one before two in the it has an effect of Story driven games in a sense Well, nobody really talks about two anymore. Do they like two died in the discourse? superior golfing mechanics Um Hmm a breath of the wild is probably going to be influential long term There's probably a reason why even 12 years after it was made starcraft 2 is still the most like popular rts that exists Hmm, probably yeah.  Well, it was so it's been 12 years after starcraft 1 they made starcraft 2 It has been 12 years since starcraft 2 Who the fuck knows so an interesting one here overwatch was for a time But it feels like the hero shooter thing is already kind of um, oh pub g Yeah pub g spawned a shitload of the battle royale style games Yes, probably the successful and the unsuccessful Apex I think really breathed a lot of fresh air into the I wouldn't count these as like I'm thinking more so the the one that kicked it off and it's like yeah, it was pub g That still gets a lot of players you just never hear about it, but you know about dota and lol and I Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those definitely count and oh cs go. I guess is influential, but I don't know if it's um Yeah, I don't know about cs go A lot of people play it. It's super duper popular I guess it was innovative in terms of uh, the models that it has for monetization I wonder if maybe we're going a little off What innovative should count as maybe because if you know if something was truly incredible in his design But nobody cared about it. Does it not get to be counted as innovative at that point? Uh, no, I think it probably should count as innovative even then Which means at that point even if something was particularly influential does that guarantee it was innovative Well, maybe that's the difference innovative versus because grand theft dota 3 was revolutionary um In terms of what it brought as a change to uh the video game landscape Gonna a few people have already brought it up But I also daisy spawned a huge I'm at to this day. It continues to be this sort of open world survival kind of games Yeah, but yeah, um, I don't know. I don't know who did it before they sort of really kind of did that concept And when that game released it was shit but um, but it certainly Was very popular in a sense and it still continues to be pretty popular. Um, I will I will say armor I don't think there's any game like armor Uh, probably not no, not that I don't know about time for two Um, well what would be I mean, I think that game was much Titanfall was more innovative than Titanfall 2 was very much an iterative sequel Titanfall Because Titanfall was the enhanced mobility which became like a trend for a while there um Nobody did it quite like they did that's a good one actually. Yeah There's someone mentioned doom 2016. Was it really innovative and like to a degree I think it almost was like the reverse people just liked how It didn't it wasn't innovative It was just remember that old stuff. We're gonna do it really well. It's been a while since we've done this Here it is. You know like hey, which by the way applies to storytelling too. Like hey, you remember when stories used to be straightforward It's like you want some of that you know like yeah do it mm-hmm Riggers we all know you only play games where you can kill people um So a lot of the gameplay games that I choose do revolve around dispensing death. Yes But I'm sure there are people like Mario Kart does that count You don't kill them right Yeah Yeah, I guess you're right pretty much all my games that I play do involve killing people or it's a funny thought I am now thinking like what games do I play and like that I don't kill people in like Because like well starko. Yeah, you can lost people in that in aliens and Daisy. Yeah the vermin tide. Yeah Battlefield. Yeah. Oh portal. I do play a lot of Portland.     Um, I'm thinking of now I'm thinking of the otters from south park in the atheist episode now And how they they talked about eating food off their tummies Science damn you time child Um That comment about the innovation they ended was saying and they also felt disconnected to the main character What I mean, man, I want an olden ring These are these are subjects we didn't even bring up because they just there's just nothing to say about a lot of them for us If someone said did you feel connected to your main character? I'd have been like kind of baffled What do you mean? I feel connected to my level in my rooms. Yeah And that's not a commentary on like how that's an impossibility in this scenario. It's just like, yeah They just didn't do anything for that. So why would I care? I mean when you talk about games like The daisies a good example Your character is that you're Like because it's it's a game.  I have all this stuff And it's almost paralyzing at times how much You know that really good find can make you really value your character's life Because they have all this stuff Um, I don't know if I prefer mana or how dark souls 1 did magic But overall I've never wanted to be the game with literally every different type of character I did strength then dex arcane after update now. I want to do intelligence and mage build Uh, but need more connection to mpcs and main person Yeah, I don't I don't really disagree with any of that. Yeah I feel similar I agree with theo on everything, but I loved er Being elden ring and that's the thing I think the only difference between all of us on the cast and theo is that theo Would almost go as far as saying he hated the game Uh, but myself or tia metal and others we all say we adore it. Um So, you know, but we also share the criticisms.  I've done that several times That is a way more important resource than spending one estus to resurrect your vehicle essentially. I don't understand why They feel the need to make you confirm that but they're also chill about uh You know the other the other options not having the confirmation. I don't know Greasy, I know Another point to make about torrent is that melina seems to speak to him at the start as if he's sentient and can make his own Choices so saying it's supposed to be awkward controls as bollocks That's what people told me supposed to be awkward controls Dude, so people told me about last guardian, which by the way, I think is actually From the devs directly like they they created the creature to behave like an animal would in real life Or it doesn't always react or spawn to you in any way you want Which is like, oh, you know what you know what sucks about animals in real life if they don't respond to you Yeah, that's uh pretty Not awesome.  I don't know.   Let's put that in our game It's not fun at all. That's what I needed in my game. This is what keeps me coming back for more Uh Remember Dark Souls 2 scholar of the first sin and credits Uh, no, honestly, which is for the best. I memory hold a lot of that game Blimbus blimbus metal is a limbus rags nuts for crimbus Um, all right. I'm drunk. I am that's my brain is in dream this this game slaps by the way All right, there you go It is true I've heard it slaps. There are missed opportunities in level design crouch is never used for something like shortcuts True. I was surprised about that. They never actually, um You can crouch. Yeah, you can crouch in the game and funnily enough there is You there's stealth there is a very limited amount of stealth in this game Where if you crouch while approaching someone they won't hear you compared to walking toward them Oh Does that come up often or is it just like it can come up often? It just depends on what you want to use it Sometimes you just rather run up to the enemy and stab them instead of slowly crouch toward them to get a backstab sort of thing all right, um But yeah, I was thinking the same thing. There are a couple of holes in walls or I was like, oh, is that a crouch wall? And it's like no, it's just invisible wall.  Um So You know calling it a stealth mechanic. Yeah, I know I know but you know what I mean And it should have been in the starting area too. Yeah, it would have been cool to have implemented it More I guess Uh with storm veiled is a path on the right side outside that lets you go to the church behind it I don't know if you can get to godric that way though I'm not sure if you can either but uh, yes, you are correct Theo is too based. It's almost dangerous true I'll take theo in small amounts.  I didn't insult them. All right um Hmm The people who you look up to are probably very disappointed in you and they would be ashamed if you ever met Oh, oh my god I look he asked for it literally he literally asked for it. You didn't ask for it Not figuratively literally. I give you a minute. I used to lose. I'll be right back Mm-hmm I want other studies to try souls like games with their own twist. Oh studios.  Yeah, it was really bad. It was it was one of the original like attempts at being dark souls When made by people who are I remember the game at the time. I just yeah, I don't remember Much about the conversation surrounding it. No, it was that insulted.  I'm pretty sure But I suppose yes, I would be I would like to see other people try it sure The demon souls remake aesthetic is by far my least favorite it looks so cartoony and I hate the animations I I intend to play it when I get a ps5 in 2030 And uh, uh, that game looks crisp, which might be the problem It's um very very crisp Uh had nothing to say but here's some money love the conversation And it's nice to get a good game amongst the slob of the lot of the industry as it is rania's best girl also high rags Rags would say hi. He's currently uh glooming but yes, um I mean, I thought it was a really good conversation too. I hope people don't take it too much as that We hate the game when we definitely don't um We just got we're hyper into them. Okay guys. We got very specific criticisms And lots of them I've been waiting for almost four years. Theo. I want my ds5 video so I can have a reason to buy it He'll get around to it eventually apparently he's busy with his uh his irl stuff, but you'll get there And uh, that is all of the Elden Ring stream ones. Yay Excellent. So what will be the next one to catch up on then? I think we'll do today's ones and then when I finish them depending on where we are We will either continue or not. I'm not sure The cool thing about final fantasy 7's remake is that it's a remake But technically a sequel at the same time as the original ps1 game is canon to it But malevolent time travel shenanigans forced the characters to unwittingly relive past events with only very mild cases of deja vu the main villain is trying to change events Interesting That reminds me of um more combat 9 where they were like they reset everything but then sort of similar events happen and Yeah, yeah Man more comic continuity is excellent, isn't it? It's well now with uh mortal combat 11.  I feel like that's just something you should avoid It's like right rule on a board. Don't have your characters battle the god of time. Avoid that. No Just tends to cause problems, you know, yeah reasons which I would hope are pretty obvious, but Uh today is wednesday march 23rd 2022 Hey, we're on the exact day for that one. Well, it's 24th But yeah I don't know. We got two out of the three hosts are still in the 23rd You've been outvoted. All right All right, was there a vote here? Yep Rags totally did a vote even though he's muted I feel like you're not telling me the truth. The truth is just a poor man's lie All right Who's quite was that? Confucius.  I meant, uh, just give me a second cool dino games Oh boy better be cool Cool dino games only plays cool dino. Oh my god. It's a good thumbnail Oh well it actually took me a while to decipher that one. It's like yeah save first I thought it was a taggle the web of stuff and it's like oh wait. No, we got the t-rex and then only is the Brontosaurus and then Everyone's asked me to show it none of you people are capable of finding the stuff on your own So now I got to take the screenshot. I just want to participate in the lulls and then do this I mean rags will be able to see when he comes back now at least so does that team. Mm-hmm. All right. Here she is Pretty good thumbnail. All right, pretty good. Yeah I like that the t-rex has a stubble Maybe think of something that so many youtubers completely neglect is their thumbnails. Oh, yeah And some create ones that are just cursed and deep fried and you're just like why yeah Like by accident not with any kind of awareness. I'm pretty sure I'm still no good at doing thumbnails I don't think I understand how to convey What I want to convey quickly and easily yeah Cuz if I his yours are yeah, the the cosmoronic ones just a let me click on it Just so I remember exactly Hmm well cuz I redid those now with a little pixel art one That's what I'm thinking of I'm just yeah, I'm just looking at it. Yeah, I mean it's Like that one might the change that I would make to it is to have it be more of a template that you could put something topical on It's probably that is probably the modifier. I mean it's basically right It should be like the e-fap one whether you got the little spit on the right where it's like yeah, they don't just all blend together Cuz I it's really great So it's just it's it's all the same except for the number and so looking at the Thumbnail itself you can't remember like which one's which exactly well because the number is small That's actually a good suggestion. I will keep that in mind In terms of like main videos, I think it's it's hard It's like what cuz if you kept the cosmoronic and space stuff and then changed you Like if you were direction, maybe maybe if you were looking at like a floating TV in space and the TV screen is what you had Be something relevant to the episode That's a thought maybe even you had like a just yeah something something like that, you know, huh?  The what's her name? Which one the the the suicide squad? Oh? Brace Randolph hurt. Yeah hurt. Oh those Really over there's so much stuff just everything about a presentation on it cuz even in the actual video She just stuff stuff on screen the actual videos and it was just stuff words. They everything was just Splushed out and it none of it matched anything and it was just a mess It was awful because you can compare her to Shad right Shad has a setup so that he has a little frame And then everything appears in the frame relevant to what he's talking about.  So we do it Yeah Hello, my favorite podcast the best podcast at least objectively the final fantasy music of the day is rebel army from file fantasy 2 rebel army Final Fantasy 2 Let me see Cuz I played this way back in the day and I don't remember any I wrote I don't remember a lot of music from to I Remember music from one I think like once I hear it. I'll be like. Oh, yeah, of course. It's burned into my brain And a lot of Final Fantasy 4 music I remember a lot because even on Game Boy that came with a player Where you could play all of the music from the game So it was it was really how it was it was nice to have that so I'm like, oh, I don't listen to Sid's theme Oh, that's nice. And I like that Crystal Chronicles had good music Final Fantasy a lot of Final Fantasy's have great music What do Brendan Gleason Sean Bean and the kid that Jace murdered in arcane having common To be easy and go They're dead Well, I don't I don't see cuz like saying like well cuz Sean Bean's anyone out of the three that dies a lot Right. It's his meme.  Is that it? Oh Did they fall well you got remember the kid fell Brendan Gleason fell from the tower Wait, which tower so in um in Bruges. Oh, yeah, so you got that that Sean Bean is he fallen from big tower Surely he's golden eye when he falls when yeah, oh, yeah, they all fell to their deaths. Yeah, there we go We did it yeah, we did it unless they're all unless you mean like white male It would just be funny if he was like that wasn't at all what I was going for it's like There's another but I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. They all have a falling soul the riddle Hey, love you guys Fringy great TFA video ranks really enjoying your cosmoronic podcast more tell all these massives to play deep rock It's good Yeah, guys, you should play deep rock like deep rock galactic is a really good game And yet we all of you should play it and support those steps do it do it No, I Started playing Elden Ring because of Mola. I enjoyed his streams So I bought my first souls born game and I love it also high rags. Hi Mola. Hi birdman. Hi birdman Aussie is Just my fan Uh Fringy the MGR boss lyrics trigger on the third phase rules of nature was the only one to trigger on the QTE also high rags Well, that's the one that sticks out in my mind for pretty obvious reasons That's that's kind of the moment. It's like yes, this is this is this is what you're in for and it's gonna be a fun ride Haven't bought Elden Ring just yet But I have finished Red Dead Redemption 2 recently and I wondered what those who have played it think about the story gameplay characters, etc All right, well, we'll start there. It's up to you Frank Gameplay is dated and that's kind of a problem with all of the Red Dead Redemption all of the rock star games the controls I don't know what it is. They just don't feel like still tapping X to sprint The auto lock on there's a lot. There's some weird stuff with the controls It's fun as the story and characters pretty strong Mainly the character work is pretty strong, especially Arthur Did I say one or two sorry to oh Yeah, I think one has strong writing as well. It's really snappy dialogue Well, the rock star games got that super duper snappy dialogue it Congrats on the new TFA video. Keep up the good rant. Thank you And we shall as best we can Hey, did y'all see YMS talk about objective film criticism with destiny you should get destiny on an episode He'd be a good fit also high rags. Oh, I just also right hello I don't know what subject we would go for if we had him on if he was interested But yeah, I don't think he's gonna have too much of a Pushback on our perspective as it typically stands like we actually spoke in a Quick thing it was because they were doing like streams or whatever debates YMS was and There was like a quick discussion had about Objective film criticism and a lot of the time what destiny will end up saying is that a yes It is all subjective But there's objective things you can say about the way certain things about says it You know like it'll be it'll sneak in and then you could just sort of develop it into The way we do it with anything right like one to establish You can at least say things objectively and even if you want to jokingly refer to it as like, oh, yes Johnny Depp is the person who plays Jack Sparrow. I guess that's objective like cool. We'll start there You agree that's objective and they're like they got all stressed out. They're like, well, I Was joking that was Anything I say in court can be used against me. They're like, I don't know what about it Just like yeah, we'll start that you know, can we can we objectively assess who a character is what their traits are what they Want and stuff and you know, it just goes from there the further along and Then you know, it just comes down to okay, but I don't value things being consistent in my stories and you're like, okay, I Totally believe you say that Yeah, so yeah, it could be interesting chat tab with him Regarding YMS controversy He did address that the IMDB schools are for him to remember which film he has seen not a stamp on the overall quality To which he was asked why not make them private and then he said because I wish to express myself So I don't think that counter is quite the count