Hi there, I'm Tim Hill with tan books just pleased and honored to be joined today by father Lawrence Carney We're gonna discuss his great book the secret of the holy face before we get into that discussion though father I was hoping you could start us with a prayer sure in the name of the father and son holy ghost on them How Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is a fruit of Fibrium Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners down at the hour of our death Our lady the holy name of God pray for us in the name of the father and of the son and the holy ghost Well see the book right there the secret of the holy face and I know readers have really taken to this What has been some of the reaction that you've gotten father Carney specifically from from your book Well, they say this book is really helping them in the spiritual life, and this is a devotion that maybe they heard about In passing but they read this full-length book and now they know a lot more about it And they see how this devotion is so important for the times we live in and it helps They say it helps them to become better Catholics because they can actually do something against the evil that's going on in the world by Praying according to this devotion to the holy face, and it's called the secret of the holy face I think we all love to know secrets. Yes Do you ever get asked? Okay, so what is this the secret then? Yeah, so the secret is that Jesus revealed to sister Mary st. Peter in the 1840s this humble nun in in tourist France and Jesus told her my father's greatly disappointed with the human race for two sins blasphemy and proponation of Sundays and holy days of obligation and Jesus continued my father He's going to punish the human race not so much with the elements and I tell people like not tornadoes or hurricanes or typhoons, but with revolutionary men and When I read that for the first time it just registered to me because I thought I've always been thinking what's going on. You know, why is The church getting so small. Why are we not teaching what we used to teach and But this made sense that God's actually punishing us with revolutionary men and they're inside the church. They're outside there And so that's what I think people have gotten out of this because once you start there you want to pay attention because This this book is a blueprint of how to get out from underneath the Revolutionary men communists and Freemasons and all that all those revolutionary so Revolutionary war is what my ten-year-old is studying. He comes home and tells me all these facts I've never heard the term revolutionary men until I read your book in this way It's a different way to think about it and certainly kind of be on guard for All of that, right? Right. So another element after I've written this book and people have talked to me about it is a Lot of Catholics are starting to realize It might get worse So what can we do and this devotion is helping me and them to realize we've got to get rooted in the interior life We got to go deep into our union with God and at the end of day, that's why we were made It's being union with God and God actually Want he causes or permits revolutions so that We have adversity and it's through adversity where we can actually start to practice the virtues more or passively receive the influx of The gifts of the Holy Spirit So that's going to be another title that I'm writing for tan. They'll be coming out in the future the total consecration to the holy face and How God draws the soul through the purgative way the illumined way in the unit of way and I was just telling someone from here that I'm writing this book and it's it's really I'm just getting sources from and writing them all down I'm just going to read it over and over again because I want to become a master of how to Go deep in the interior life and also to teach people how to do it, but at the end of the day What's all this about? It's about Going to heaven and seeing God face to face and I've learned that too since writing his book and talking with people St. Thomas says the greatest thing that we can ever receive is the beatific vision, which is seeing God face to face So this is how God works the Holy Spirit is definitely in my opinion working with your company and with me being allowed to write this book and I just get on fire when I talk about this topic and people Like how do you get all that?  What are they? You know and it helps People to be able to see so when I get a chance to have a platform to write a whole book So that's about 200 peak pages people can read that guy and really soak in the thought behind What I have received in this great devotion and the way that you write this book I think it really appeals to so many of us whereas Sometimes things can really be difficult to digest you put it in a way that is really easily easy for me to understand I can understand it So why don't we start kind of from the beginning at least from my mindset anyway in arch-con Fraternity I don't hear that word often To in my understanding. It's kind of right above Confaternities. It's a group of groups. Is that a fair way to put it? Yeah when I first learned about this I started Calling around how can I start my own arch-conpaternity the holy face because let's just go to the top but I realized there can only be one arch-conpaternity in the whole world and so The arch-conpaternities that the Pope erects They're in one place and they're in charge of other Confaternities that become daughters of them so to speak So this arch-conpaternity was approved by Pope Leo the 13th in 1885 and the sea of it where it's located is in Tours France and Tours France is Where St. Martin of Tours was the bishop and that's his feast days November 11th, and that's my birthday November 11 So that was one of things that drew me so people though can start Confaternities and the way that this is set up in the 1800s was we actually Talked to the director of the arch-conpaternity the holy face. He's a French Dominican and we asked him how do you start? another Confaternity and he said that hasn't been asked in known history so this devotion has really gone to the wayside and He actually went to the Archbishop of Tours on our behalf to speak to his Excellency and Asked him how do they and his Excellency said well If anyone wants to start a confaternity they need to get statutes About how they're gonna meet how what prayers are gonna say What day they're gonna meet on etc And those have to be approved by the local ordinary which is a fancy word for the local bishop if he's around Sometimes there's a sea that doesn't have a bishop in that they have an administrator So that ordinary can still do it when a bishop's not there so that's how you start a confaternity and These confraternities have a lot of benefits two of them is you can share in the indulgences that were promised to them and Secondly, you can share in the spiritual graces and this confraternity Arch-conpaternity is really neat because there's two saints in it already and that's St. Louis Martin and St. Tres of the Sue of the child Jesus and of the holy face so when we enroll It's like enrolling in a spiritual army We enroll with the other troops that are in that spiritual army and so those two who the father of St. Tres is St. Louis of Martin So those are some pretty good heavy hitters for our devotion is very little known so we're right at the beginning the cusp of this becoming a very big devotion because Jesus even said to Sister Mary St. Peter the one who received the revelations That this would be spread in the 1800s, but it's gonna go Away sort of like in a treasure box and it's gonna become a secret I mean he's I'm paraphrasing now, but he said basically there's gonna be another wave of apostles that will promote it through writing or through preaching and Back then there was not the motion picture, but that's what we're doing right here We're promoting it. So you're kind of like a second apostle second wave of apostles of this with me and and God Has blessed us with it with us being able to do this and it's a lot of fun And I just so many people come and talk to me and they say father once I get in this devotion It's like a lot of things start to open up in my spiritual life. And so that's contagious No doubt about it. And when I first heard about this I was thinking oh this must be a pretty complicated involved thing then Looking into it in your book is I just so no no it this is a one minute per day, right? That's a very good question to bring up always like to stress this is that You know people that have spiritual directors a good spiritual directors gonna tell their per their directee Don't do too many devotions.  Well, that's a one lock one time deal you do that once in a lifetime So there's only four out of six left Then you spend about 30 seconds to a minute a day saying oh Lord show us thy face and we shall be saved Which I believe is from Psalm 83 then you say a potter of emiria and a glory of pottery and then you promote this devotion through media words writing talking to people and Then you go to the monthly meetings So that's the hardest part is the monthly meetings and that's why I I think God has asked me to really promote this is because Whenever the church or heaven gives us a devotion The most power you're gonna get out of it is when you fall exactly as heaven or the church has given it to us So those are the six things. I think I got six of them Yeah, I don't think I forgot any so those are the six things you got to do if you really want to glean the most treasures from this secret of the holy face right and Notice the form is native in French because it goes to France and that's where it gets Performed but obviously you can fill it out in English you go martinians.org is an easy place to get to one of those forms, right? Yeah, we have a website called the League of Saint Martin and we have a place where you can go and get a PDF and We have the the good arch-comp attorney wants us to keep doing Printing it off in French. So we put English subtitles and they're in red so people can really see them and Right now it used to be a dollar 20 was an international stamp But my mom told me a few months ago. It's a dollar 40 now So I got got to get corrected here So if anyone wants to then go to our website print it out fill it out and mel in with a stamp for dollar 40 And I believe you can do it online, but sometimes they're sort of glitches So if you print it out, it's it's a sure way to get it in the mail Yeah, so it was up to a dollar 40 on the website impressive having Updated there in a really simple form and then the prayers that you mentioned in our father a Hail Mary a Glory be and then the very simple. Oh Lord show thy face and we shall be saved so then after that after you get the basics then God draws souls to Get into this devotion in various ways. So there's a lot of arsenal spiritual Arsenal here and I I say that those are different prayers. There's a manual the arch-compater in the holy face That was printed in 1887 and there's some very strong very masculine prayers in it and one of them is a chap of the holy face and that is basically Repeating Psalm 67 to make reparation for the five senses of our Lord on And they're all on his face is I so his sight smell Taste touch and hearing. So that's why that's the face. That's where the senses are so we make reparation because of how he suffered in the passion and One of them my favorite lines that I like to say about Jesus who told just Mary St. Peter is How my enemies Jesus is talking how my enemies use these different weapons like the nails and the spear and the crown of thorns and the Cross and the scourges and the pillar etc. How they use those to make me hurt and he said We need to have Spiritual soldiers that will take these instruments and hurl them at the enemy. So in a spiritual way This is a counter attack, but we don't want the death of the sinner. He says we want the conversion so a lot of people I know that I talked to They imagine these weapons going out at the devil, you know, let them have it and then they also go out towards his agents So maybe they'll have a conversion and there's even I wrote in the back of the book How priests can you know, there's a there's a group right now that's called restore the 54 These are traditional Catholics that like the mass before 1955 so before 55 you have the option in certain Levels of what type of a mass it was of the day? So if it was a lower level the priests have the option It's called ad libidum or the priest has the will that the option to add extra prayers to the mass the colic secret and post communion and some of those masses and that old those older missiles There's a mass for the cross. Well, that's in the 62 and that's in the but there's a mass of the nails And of the sword. Yeah, the sword of Longitudus. Then there's a mass of the Crown of thorns, etc. So I can insert those prayers. They're like petitions that were written by the Vatican and I imagine myself and other priests like when Moses was Holding up his hands against there was a war and the Israelites were winning when the high priest had his hands up And they were got tired. So when they went down Then they started to lose But when they went up again Aaron had a hole and someone else had to hold them up And I imagine that's what's happening to us priests is these weapons these spiritual things are coming out of our hands You know, and it's it's it's making a spiritual attack and that's a kind of that's the kind of fire and charisma that God wants for us because He he wants our advantage not our satisfaction. He wants us to be happy because he's a good God He's our Abba. He's our father. And so this devotion is just it's ripe with just I think it just has such a great future As you were speaking about it dawned on me There's a saying in coaching football and you have 11 players on one side 11 on another there There's a lot going on but there's a coaching saying called See a little see a lot see a lot you see nothing So As you're focusing on something very specific In the interior life in the prayer life that really Sharpened everything it's seen I heard that as you were describing it to me and it seems there's a bit of a parallel there One priest always tells me less is better. Sometimes that's very true And in the interior life There's called there's a thing called the prayer of the simple I'm writing about this in the next book. I'm gonna have you all publish the prayer of the simple Basically souls become more simple they become more focused And sin is very complex and sin starts to melt away from them And that prayer of the simple means that they can disengage from their five senses And let God who's dwelling if they're in a state of grace let God who's dwelling with them They can sense him and that gets deeper and deeper And it just makes sense because the four attributes of God are truth goodness Beauty and sometimes they don't mention it, but simplicity Simplicity so less is better and like you're saying What was the phrase seeing a little see a little see a lot see a lot Yeah, and also reminds me of another quote the the true sign of genius is making me very complicated seem very simple Mm-hmm It all goes into this a little bit earlier You mentioned when you read it for the first time about this devotion. When did you come to? Yeah, come to the secret of the holy face the devotion of the holy face see God loves stories and this is a story so sister scholastica it at the time was the sub priors of the Abbey of Ephesus in in Gower, Missouri the benedicts of Mary cleaning apostles And I don't get to talk to her much, but it was a christmas day and the nuns advised me to have lunch with them and I sat by sister and I said sister i'm writing a Newsletter what topic should I write because I I trust her she's a very holy nun And she said why write about the holy face? So I said, okay, I've never heard of that. I think I've heard of the golden arrow prayer And so I began to write about that and then I prayed some of the prayers And then someone from north carolina sent me a tan book Called the holy man of tours And then someone from new jersey sent me a tan book called The whole world will love me And then I don't remember who it was from but somebody sent me a book called the golden arrow This was all in with two months. I didn't ask them. They didn't know I had this devotion They said father you ought to read this. I think you'll like this So I read these books all this providence happening And I I read about how november 11th is uh where all this happened where Archbishop st. Martin of tours was the bishop and that's my birthday. I'm like I said to myself. I really love this devotion. I really need to start preaching about it and so I did and It's just contagious for me and other people start listening at the convent At the abbey not very many people come to hear me But when they would hear me they would go out and tell their friends because a lot of the families of the nuns come visit from all over the united states and even um, Lithuania and other parts of europe they come and they listen and then they talk to people And that's how I got involved in this and it's just providence so much providence And that's why earlier before we began our talk Sometimes the holy spirit just is the simplest way just letting the holy spirit guide the conversation But it's also good to have some notes if you get stuck Good point. So we have some here and in this in these notes. I'll actually Surprisingly to me anyway, but I think very appropriately to what you just said the golden arrow prayer Is One of the things that came from the carmelite nun that you were mentioning earlier sister maria saint peter who had the visions and This is the the prayer Was revealed to hers. That's one of the things she's famous for and one of the ways that you came to this I wanted to go back even more It was not just her but it was a guy by the name of leo depont who kind of came across her and then Helped for a lack of a better term. I guess help with the pr for all of this and push this forward, right? That's right so he was born martin nick And he became a student of law in paris and he moved back To martin nick he married I think his high school sweetheart. They had one child. She was on her deathbed And she her wish was can you have our daughter taught? By the earthlands like I was and so that got him to tours so that was providence And he was a very holy man And his nickname was holy man of tours So he would walk around The city of tours and he would pray and all the churches whether they were Still standing or if they were destroyed by the french revolution He would pray and imagine at these crumbled churches how mass would have been if it was still open so Then he discovers The mother superior at the carmel and he was a Well to do so he would support the religious but he loved the carmel and The mother there got to know him and trusted him and trusted some work to him because they needed an extern and He would do business for the the nuns As a lawyer and then mother trusted him so much. This doesn't happen very often, but a layman She asked him if she could talk to her to sister mary st. Peter because she had a Uh just And something given by god. It's just other worldly. That's what it says in the bible Little pot then started listening to these revelations and he just Thought this is totally from god This needs to get out to the world because He could see the connections at the time because the communist manifesto was just coming out and she was receiving his revelations about How the revolutionary men and communisms called out and very rare in a private revelation That jesus calls out a group of people by name. So that's what makes this devotion so neat is it's really It's simple, but it's it's calls things out. It's like get to arms get to arms count Let's go and this it teaches us how to have a masculine type of of anyway, so he's Doing his job and then poor sister. She dies at a young age around 20 mid 20s of throat of a like a throat cancer or ulcer and That's very fitting because she is making reparation for blasphemy and what comes how does blasphemy come out usually out of your throat And I think even a wasp stung her one time is really a lot of pain so she passes away and the bishop Takes all of her autobiography and all that and and puts it into the archives and it's like a secret for for like Three or four decades, but venerable apat is this pr guy. He keeps praying for this to happen And towards the end of his life, there's a new archbishop And he actually came to visit venerably at apat who was bedridden really and he wasn't able to take him in but Um, the maid said what he did and he came and wanted to pray and talk with him and he said this is a holy bishop And so when venerably at apat passed away the archbishop then opened up the archives and sent The corpus of all this devotion to some very, um Theologically correct dominicans. I think the solemn and they Checkmarked it and said this the archbishop. There's nothing wrong. This is dogmatically thoroughly fine and so he Did his job and he also performed six thousand miracles plus a certified miracles and That right there shows me how great potential this devotion has as it was promised There was a first wave of apostles He was one of them and now we're in the second wave you and I and all the others that will there are with us and That will go behind us And you mentioned specifically calling out a group of people and how it's one of the ways that this devotion is set apart There's some quotes in your book here That are very clear combating communism is a main thrust of this devotion Is one of those and then you mentioned how communism is anti human anti family and anti god We talked about the revolutionary men and this is obviously directly related to that. Yeah so Yeah, I mean when you have communism being revealed by heaven in a private revelation approved by the local ordinary Then you can do your research. You can go you can drill down You can read about communism and archbishop fulton sheen and frank she there's a lot of guys that really covered this back in the mid 1950s And communism was a problem in america in the 1930s because we have bella dodd. I mean You've got some authors here kengor and I saw even another Book coming along. It's about communism And we got to know our enemy And able to fight and it's a spiritual war And a lot of people said during this this last Few years that it's a war between our ears. So it's a it's a it's an intellectual warfare so This devotion helps The men in theology and in the church and catholics to wake up and do some of your own research So you know how to make a counterattack You know there's a lot of fathers and mothers listening They have children You know, what are you going to teach them because if it gets worse, they're going to need to be prepared in order to get to heaven so this devotion is um Going to be essential for a lot of people now People can't have every single devotion that's out there, but Some people are going to be drawn to this and you're going to know because there's going to be connections like those books coming to My p.o. Box and there's none telling me to do this and now you guys asking me to write a book and have any interviews It's just this is what god wants me to do so If there's anything that anyone can take away today is this be men and women of deep prayer And things like this like my life god has told me what i'm probably going to be doing for the next few years Is keep promoting this but if men and women become deep in prayer There's nothing no one can take that from us. They can't they can take away our mass They can take away our priests, but they can't take away our interior life so That's that's the one thing i want to burn in people's minds with this and that's what the fruits of this devotion there's At least personally for me is it's it's helped me to see now how more imperative it is To learn more about the interior life to learn from the great mystical doctors and to start getting Rooted in that and get to its essence I mean i was telling some people last night at dinner There's not much time left for me. I'm 47 and i want to really do the best i can for god And that's what this devotion is helping me and others do And as you were explaining it helps me as as a father To and a crystallize. All right. What do I need to teach my sons and how they can help how They can be part of this spiritual war like you mentioned also in the book specifically you mentioned How we've seen examples before especially the old testament I believe it was david's grandson specifically that you mentioned about You don't need a whole lot of numbers To be a powerful army. That's one of my favorite stories in the old testament So after I started praying this devotion, I read the bible from front to cover I skipped a few of the chapters and numbers But pretty much the whole thing but and it was just like I had this mindset from the holy face perspective I wasn't planning on that. I just read the bible and it's like wow and I would make marks That's a holy face material. Well, one of the biggest things is from The book of chronicles chapter 20. I think it's the second but it might be the first book and The duet reams is para and then I can't I cannot pronounce the rest of it But you can look it up to chronicles 20. I think but yeah, it's it's the grandson of king david He had a great enemy the amylox and others greatly outnumbered it was something like 10 to 1 And he was a man of deep prayer.  That's the best thing you can do in any situation And he got it on his heart This is a couple days for the battle have one of the levites preach and you know levites They were responsible for taking care of the people who Promoted the golden calf and what a god commanded you slit their throats. This is old testament stuff So this was a this was the tribe They were given the priesthood because they did what god commanded and it was not pretty to be Have to do that but it's just so anyways the levite goes up the next day and says men men We pray to god. This is going to be god's war. We have confidence in god. So the next day on the battle What does joseph do? Um jeroboam. What does jeroboam do? He pits the singing man in the van That means the singing man in the vanguard they're in the front lines They're chanting the daves of his grandfather chanting the psalms of his grandfather david king david And his mercy endureth forever and they were chanting in the language of the time and the enemy when they saw These singing men advancing they did not know what to do They were looking at each other and the bible says they started to thrust Swords at their own selves. It was a civil war and at the end of the war The bible says someone got up on top of this This pillar and they saw like an ocean of blood They were gone And it's like this devotion is very similar to that with what we face today It you know communists They're usually a small number, but they sound like they're the majority of the people But whatever size they are god can take care of them. So this devotion helps us To go deep in the interior life and to ask god to engage himself to fight this war for us So that's just We're creatures, you know god's the creator. He's got this under control We just need to give our confidence back to him instead of putting all that weight on our shoulders And something you said earlier helps With that weight on my shoulders anyway thinking that oh this time in human history has got to be the worst time but Every generation has had their own battles. You mentioned I mean this is coming from the french revolution Right and the the birth of communism. Obviously we have our problems now back in the old testament There were plenty of problems and everywhere in between Does this specific devotion? Help give you Confidence or maybe renew that confidence that that we all need to have In in god and that trust and that that surrender. Well, you all publish a book by father reginue gary lagrange called providence. It's about that thick It's it's a good read And It just it makes us realize no matter if we're in the worst times or the best of times God wanted us to be in these times because he knew our temperament He knew this was the best time for us to be born and then a second point to that question that I want to make is blessed pious the knight Said reparation is destined to save society Now he almost got killed by the free masons in the 1849 when he exiled himself to gata But that's why I took that quote and made that the subtitle the devotion dust into save society. Well The secret of the holy face is devotion about reparation And so I just using a blessed pope's words and kind of putting them into my title So this devotion god gave it to us The devotion of holy face has ever been since adam and eve. It's it's it's been throughout the whole old testament in fact st. Chara's of lissue After she became devoted to this She said it seems like almost every page of the psalms jumps out on me with the face of god So this devotion is definitely for our times because god has lined up the first wave of apostles to give it to us And to have a pope make it into a solid canonical foundation called an arch comp eternity And now it's you your company your tan company has had books published decades ago To prepare for where we're at right now And so the future is going to be beautiful if we're with god no matter how bad it gets Because we were made for these times if they're going to be really bad in fact that could be wonderful for our temperaments because If it was hunky dory if it was christian dim we might have been too lazy. Maybe left the church But we know we have to fight to get to heaven in these times if they get any worse Which they probably will So this devotion is uh Is a devotion for our times. It's an answer that lots of catholics have been asking me father What can I do and I went to pray one more afternoon after Someone visited me in missouri and they were on their way back to north dakota And I just I don't know what to tell you and then they were driving off And I went to pray in front of the holy face And it seems like our lord did he doesn't Reveal it in my ears, but it fell in my heart tell him to start Praying the devotion to holy face and so I I called her said this is what I want you to do and she said okay That's the answer. I needed so they started a group up in north dakota and that was Probably the second group and now there's about 35 per group. We call them chapters of the league of st martin where they Fulfill one of the six requirements. They have a monthly meeting and they do all the other requirements Because god wants us to get together because the enemy wants to divide us and isolate us and make us get sad and depressed Divy and conquer but god in his providence wants us to come together to see each other face to face You know to to pray towards his holy face It's inspiring for sure You mentioned seeing face to face and right now we're at tan headquarters in north carolina, but you are Kansas your kansas native native and live there now and in your your journey What sticks out probably to most people and i'm sure you've been asked about it many many times is your your time in in new york city that you spent In new york city or new orleans. Oh, yes. Sorry take it to the streets in new orleans, right? Yeah new orleans is like a european city because I I backpack During a sabbatical in europe and I just wanted to see all the monuments a lot of priests like father rippler talk about how christian leaves those monuments they they the christians broke the catholics broke their backs to make these beautiful cathedrals and when I went to rome for the first time I saw the church architecture and it really elevated my level of faith like a number of notches so New orleans is one of the only cities in the united states that reminds me of a european city Because they have a lot of that architecture. So I asked the archbishop If I would have permission from him to walk the streets and and hand out rosaries So I I did that it's a it's a beautiful place because people are visiting from all over the united states and even of the world and I just would walk around on my cask in and Hand out rosaries and teach me how to pray the rosary and Teach them how to have a prayer life and you know, I'm a priest, you know People didn't even know what I was and I encourage a will You ought to think about becoming catholic And that's what we all should be doing So yeah, new orleans. It's fun. That's before I found this devotion now. I'm going out. I don't get a walk as much Because people want to do interviews, but this is very important. So it's providence It's I'm I'm miked up now and that's fine and but I'll go out there when I get time off to I need exercise But it's I get to pray also and then I get to Be an apostle and I even have people making me Chaplets of the holy face and I have them in my backpack and I hand out to good catholics that already have a rosary They already know I but they don't know much about the chap of the holy face so I can teach them No, it's fascinating to me You you mentioned that you went out and you walked around but you didn't put a time link on that you did this for The way that I just heard it was maybe for like a weekend. Oh, no, it's a life commitment. I've been walking around streets of cities of the united states for roughly 10 years now and I always get the permission from the bishop because Then you have more power because then you've got that authority And that authority the church and the pope and the holy spirit they're working all the prayers of the nuns They're working through officially And it's really neat because I will meet people and no they want to have a short 30 second conversation they got to get going but my job is not to make him catholic in a second it's Meet them and then I always want to see them again So I was I hope to see you again and then when they would see me they say hey father come come over here I want to talk to you and what happened is I I took down their name and gave it to the nuns I took down their name and gave them to People to pray for them and that's that interior life.  I've seen you walking around st. Joseph for three or four years What makes you go? I told her Oh when I go to my particular judgment, Jesus may ask me What have you done for me as a priest? And I will be able to say Jesus I walked around the streets of my whole life talking about you. So you see all those 160,000 people I talked to them about you and hopefully he'll say well done good and faithful separate come and enter Into your inheritance has been promised from eternity Any specific Instances examples stand out to you from from your your walks. Yeah There's a recent one I walked in wichita, kansas. There's a place called north broadway and that's where a lot of Let's say you'll repute business happens and The priest I live with a bunch of retired priests and some active priests and They said you need to go on north broadway You really I'm like I'm still kind of sick because I've been sick for like four years But I got well enough one day and I got strong and I went down there and I met I was walking by this lady And she stopped me and said who are you? And I said I'm a Catholic priest. What church do you go to? I said I was ordained at the cathedral It's a few blocks down the road She says well, can you tell me a little bit more and I said, yeah I think I'm supposed to talk to you how to pray the road teach you how to pray the rosary And she said my name is Beatrice, but they call me breezy So I said, okay. You really need to learn how to pray this rosary You need to get out of what you're doing and she was She had very sincere eyes like someone was actually looking at her Not with lust but as a child of God And I was teaching her how to pray the our father And how to pray the Hail Mary and guess what I had a pamphlet from tan Called how to pray the rosary and it's got a nice picture on it And I was just pointing it to her and I gave her a rosary and I said here's how you do it And we prayed a few Hail Marys together and then What's so much fun about this ministry is as I'm talking to her someone dries up and Opens her window and says father. I saw you a week ago. I want to talk to you and I said, okay Beatrice, I hope to see you again someday and I talked to that person And done talking to him and then I got to pray my rosary again and talk to God, you know It's just a beautiful life And there's there's priests. There's even seminarians that are writing Papers in their seminary about One of the books I wrote called the walking the road to God and the stories in there Because If things get worse the church might be going back towards that way of doing it and after I walked around for six months I started to think I'm a slow learner I started to think Wait a minute. This is how Jesus did it. He just walked around Like why did it take me so long to figure this out? So that's what we might be doing in the future granted there might be Priests that'll be in churches still but there might be priests going out because Like the st. Francis Xavier's of the world they would go out and baptize a million to two million people They were outside doing that stuff talking to people They weren't having churches built already. They didn't have a church built. They had to go out and start churches so with when we have the great apostasy what's underway right now and it seems like Almost all the Catholics have left the church are leaving Then it's we're not going to have much to do so we need to go out and be like our lord and his apostles they went out You know, it's so inspiring. It's it's one thing to To preach in a church. It's one thing to write a book to me It's it's I think a lot of us really can Respect you walking amongst People and talking and spreading the word just that much more and you mentioned how the the holy spirit kind of Gives that to you or allows you you to do that. Yeah, and I say that Any priests are listening. It's pretty easy.  That's the main thing. But then st. Thomas Aquinas said the greatest The highest life is the apostolic life and he says it's not just Doing any activity whatsoever. It's having contemplation first And then being interrupted sometimes to share that contemplation of god with two others And so I tell you priest I've had so much fun doing this for 10 years That any of you that even have an inkling of desire to do it just go do it just start doing it slow and you will be blessed with Some things in the interior life I think and it's just a joy. It's just a joy to do that To be an apostle You can I can feel it just when you tell me here and see it You mentioned the eyes of Beatrice earlier and you mentioned it in the book Obviously that it's about the holy face of Jesus and you know, there's that line that the eyes are the the windows to the soul That's right. And to me Your entire devotion here and how you were explaining it to us is a great and metaphor to to that Specifically to to god That's right.  You can't hide It's it's it's the window to the soul and hopefully The devotion to the holy face Will allow us at the end of our life to be able to see The happy face of our lord Welcoming us into heaven But we have work to do between now and then it's not It's death is not the only requirement to make it to heaven. It's more than that. We have to be in the state of grace and all devotions That heaven gives us They stress something that we're missing the point on in any current any generation And so the holy face is is stressing some points that we're missing. We're not focusing on the rights of god And the first three commandments There's irreverence. There's blasphemy there's uh Not worshiping god on you know one hour A week So this really is stress is stressing a lot of things. I could talk for hours Oh Your work is is clearly inspired and for those of us that you've It educated on this I on behalf of all of us. I appreciate what you've done and what you're doing what you continue to do I wanted to maybe conclude with the quote you have from the book. You mentioned The spiritual army that this is looking to inspire the the goal of this book The secret to the holy face To form a spiritual army a movement from god to throw off the yoke of evil elitism and ideally One million members of the arch Confrontanity of the holy face and the confraternity of the holy rosary that you encouraged in conjunction with it and For any more information martinians.org is the the easy place to go and to to join the the spiritual army, right? Yeah, that's the place to go martinians.org you can go league of st martin In your search bar and you'll find us Well, maybe a great way to to wrap up our conversation is kind of how we started as well If you don't mind you could bless us with another prayer. Sure in the name of the father and son of the holy ghost May the most holy most sacred most adorable most incomprehensible An ineffable name of god Be forever praise bless love adored and glorified in heaven on earth and under the earth And by all the creatures of god and by the sacred heart of our lord jesus christ In the most holy sacrament of the altar. Amen. Amen in the name of the father and son of the holy ghost. Amen Father laurence carney the secret of the holy face And for all your work we appreciate it and have enjoyed this time with you. Thank you. Thanks for having me It's been an honor to be here


So, I think it's very important to be able to communicate this excitement that's in this room to our bosses so that we can do the work on the language that we want to work on, right? And to do that, we need to understand what's happening, what's happened before, and how that impacts what's happening now. So we could tell our bosses why the cool kids are leaving the room for other platforms, why we're seeing the performance numbers that we're seeing for the Elixir language, and basically why this way of building software is fundamentally better for the problems that we're trying to solve, right? So the roots of this talk actually started, the roots started, has, have, had, so the roots of this talk came from back, I guess, maybe 2004, when I was sitting down with Dave Thomas, and we were looking at some, some talk about COBOL, we were saying, hey, that looks a lot like the web today. And I started thinking then that we were starting to see recurring patterns that weren't exactly the same, but they were similar enough to, to bear some thinking about. I didn't really have, never really congealed until this year, and when, when Jose and I were talking over the programming Phoenix book, and we were talking about a modified NBC. And I said, wait a minute, we've seen this before. So anyway, this talk is about a pendulum, and there's a literal definition and a figurative definition, and this is the literal definition, basically a weight that's swinging back and forth in a fixed period of time, but there's also a figurative definition, and this is the one that we're going to use today, and especially the tendency to oscillate back and forth. If this one isn't going to be every couple of seconds, this one is going to be every 10 or 15 years or so. This is the pendulum that swings between request, response, style, where each request is an isolated thing that's basically stateless to a much more interactive style user interface where everything is more staple. We call these terms batch and interactive, and some of you may be too young to know what batch means, but basically, in batch processing, before there were really terminals, so I would say we, but I've never used a punch card. I had some friends two years before I went to college that had to submit punch cards, but basically you'd use punch cards or tape, and you would submit a batch program, and then they would all run, and you would get an output, and that's how we would do most of our work, and eventually somebody got the idea to put a terminal on the computer and take that form, and then you would fill out the form, and that would submit, and you would run a batch program. So now we're loading the pendulum for the first time, right? So that you have this form and you tie it to a batch script, which most of them turned out to be COBOL programs, and probably the first application that I remember working on that had been built in this way, I didn't work on this version of it, but it was called the Saber System, and if you were replacing an airline reservation any time in the 60s or probably most of the 70s, you were using some form of Saber.  Maybe they're sitting on the other side of a phone, or maybe they're sitting in an airport, and I was kind of flipping through looking for pictures of these agents, and I found an actual Saber output screen, I thought that was pretty cool. And this is some of the language that IBM used to brag about the Saber reservation system, because they were a partner in all of this, you know, I like that. So let me read you the full quote. The Saber reservation system for airline passengers was the first large, high-speed commercial, computer communications network that operated in real time, handling transactions at the time they occurred, okay? So now we have the loaded pendulum, right? We have a batch, we have a request response. That sounds a little familiar to anyone yet? So basically, these were templates, right, and they kind of mirror the request response that we used in the Internet until probably about ten years ago. And it had a pretty significant impact on the cobalt language, right? Not just the language itself, the structure, and, you know, the key words and things, but the actual language that they chose to represent their data types. Take a look at that. Why would we use the word picture? Well, because it's describing the data type on the form, right? So that literally shaped the way that the cobalt language was designed and built. So this is where we lived for a long time until the pendulum started to swing the other way, and I think the thing that started to make it swing was the invention of the computer. This was my first computer, well, one like that. It was a RadioShack Color Computer. I remember it had 4K of memory, and that's for programs and everything, 4K, right? And when we wanted more memory, we needed to learn how to solder. I didn't know how to solder, but I had a friend whose dad knew how to solder. And so we would take a 16K chip, right?  So now I had a 32K system, right? And then right after this thing came out, we had the IBM PC, I bought a clone. I brought a plain vanilla clone, and so I was writing games to make my spending money in high school, but they were in basic and they moved kind of like this, but there was a cool application that came out on the Apple computer at around the same time that started to change the way that we thought about user interfaces. It was really the first business application for a personal computer, and that was called Visacalc, right? Visacalc is really a functional program in a functional programming language. But what was cool was that since it was running locally, the request response feedback loop was immediate. You change the number in here and the whole sheet would recalculate at once, right? And around the same time, so this would have been the early 80s, probably just prior to that, we started to see work come out of a group called Parklase, right? And so when I was googling around for period-specific design patterns, I found this one and this is the model view controller work that came out of Xerox and later into Parklase. And this is a recurring pattern that we're going to see that kind of moves with the pendulum, and so keep that in the back of your mind, right? But they started talking about, you know, it's not enough just to have this request response architecture because really there's no intermediate design, right? There, the design of the user interface becomes the design of your system, and we needed to break that apart so that the software would be more adaptable. And so another thing that started to happen as we were building, as the personal computers grew up, we started to have graphical user interfaces. This happened primarily on Windows and, you know, there was an X-Windows system. IBM was working on this thing called presentation manager that eventually rolled into this thing called OS2. And my first job out of college was with IBM. And the first real commercial application that I was exposed to was one that was supposed to take a Wall Street developer. And they were still working on these request response type systems. There was a giant stock feed on the wall that everyone used, but what they wanted was their little personalized feeds. And they wanted to be able to see, you know, beautiful graphs that were kind of updated in real time as things were happening so that they could make more informed buying decisions. And this didn't fit at all this request response type of application, right? But if you think about it, a lot of work had to happen to move us from that hard wired mainframe where IBM was making most of their money. And to bring that down to a server sized unit and then to communicate down to the client. And if you looked at what we were really after, we wanted a user interface that we could put on these ticker tapes, right? So this is actually what we were building toward. If you look at those user interfaces and this is kind of a Wall Street war room. And this was the first part of IBM solution. This is actually, I saw this screen for the first six months of my IBM career, right? So when you were installing OS2, there was a version called OS2's Extended Services. And it had four main parts. It had the operating system. It had the database manager and I was kind of part of the database manager team. That was my focus in college. It had a land manager for the local area networking. And it had a communications manager. And the job of the communications manager was to take those green screen applications and literally scrape off the data. So we would send commands to change to basically process input and send the data back up to the main frame so that the main frame software didn't have to change. Zoom in on there, you can see each of the little pieces that we had. So you can see exactly where IBM was going, right? The thing was, the languages of the time didn't support this vision. So IBM had to make a big bet. It's a pretty radical bet to have end users developing applications in C. This is a systems language. And there were a lot of embedded bets with the C bet. The first one is that we had to be multiprocessed, right? So this is a language that doesn't really support concurrency that well, except to say, you can fork, you can return. There's no real guarantees or protection that we're used to on the elixir side. The other thing that had to happen was we could not stop the world for garbage collection. So we had to make another bet with NC that we would manage our own memory. There's some good things with a solution like this. That's, we can control when the garbage collection happens. There's some trade-offs too, oops, did you guys catch that? So what does this program do if I get it wrong in that way? We don't know, it goes stomping through the memory, right? And so remember, these are not programmers, right? These are not systems programmers by trade. These are application programmers and expert and customer applications, right? So this is kind of what we were building architecturally. You had your clients and servers and so we started to call those client server tier applications. And somebody at IBM said, no wait, there's a big dollar sign missing from this vision and that's the main frame. We have to get that, you can no longer say client server. You need to say end tier, right? And we started so we changed all the marketing collateral from client server to end tier and we're okay with that now. But that meant that this setup was extraordinarily difficult to implement. So let's zoom in on one of those servers.  That's runs in a process. You have a land manager and that connection runs in another process. You have a database manager that ran in its own process at the time. You had that communications manager where we were kind of screen scraping. And so you had four processes each and that eventually collapsed under its own weight. And it wasn't just the weight of the processes, right? It was also the weight of the mental model of managing all your own memory, of managing all of your own concurrency, of trying to deploy all this stuff. So this stuff, so our bet on C in some ways backfired pretty tremendously. So you started to see IBM make another bet. We bought this company called OTI, Object Technology International. And with it, does anybody know what this icon is? Visual age, who said that? That is awesome. So visual age for small talk, which turned into a visual age for Java, which turned into Eclipse, right? So you have this, okay, you gotta put your conspiracy glasses on. Has everybody got them on? So that blue and white striped thing is in front of the sun. Right, sun, Java, the blue and white striped thing, the IBM logo. This is an open thing, right? So anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves. So, anyway, Microsoft also knew that we had a problem, right? They attacked the enterprise in a very different way, right? So you had this beautiful system called Windows, and it was released right before IBM released their presentation manager and they know us too, right? And it was released to the mass consumer. And when this happened, there was a application that was released that had a tremendous impact on productivity of business people everywhere. And you guys know what that is, right? Just kidding. So it was office. And basically, the line of business people were actually looking at the people that ran the development organizations. And those guys were working on beautiful client server applications that were supposed to be fast and seamless, and they were all way, way behind, right?  And when you run it with Visual Basic, you'll be able to deliver your own applications, right? And so these are not professional developers either. These are line of business people, right? And they're writing programs and every Microsoft Visual Basic program had this magic okay push button, right? And then you would run this prototype and you would attach a script to do something, you'd say, hey, it works. And then you would cram a little bit more code in there, right? And you would say, hey, it really works until you had 10K of code hanging off of that okay push button, right? And we have the same problem again, right? Where the design of the application, the design of the user interface is the design of the application, which is precisely the wrong design if you're trying to build something long term, right? And so it turned out that this happened, right?  And they said to the IT department, help and the IT department said we can, right? Things were cratering, we couldn't deploy this stuff, we couldn't manage this stuff. And all the tears couldn't fit together, right? Think about it, which version of Visual Basic are you running? Which version of Windows is that running on? Which version of the database manager is that running on? Which version of the land manager is that running on? Oh, I've got a break, okay, I'll fix the land manager. Which version of Windows is that? And that kind of had a circular dependency problem that there was no way to change, right?  So this exploded for a very different reason, right? It was crusty and slow but it exploded because it was too difficult to manage this intellectually. So we're here with a pendulum all the way on the interactive side. And nobody's happy because we can't make this stuff work and we can't make this stuff scale. So we started to work on small solutions that would make incremental pieces of this scale. For example, the database, everybody knows the answer to this problem that's worked on databases before. How do you solve this problem with millions of users connecting to the same database? Connection pool, right? That's what you do. You basically say, you basically build an API between the application and the connection pool and from the physical connected, you leave the bottom ones connected. And basically there's a round robin service to the applications on the other side of the pool, right? So really, instead of doing something like this, we did something like this, right? And we did the same thing. We were looking for the same type of thing to manage applications, right? How do you handle this round trip communication to scale for a better application model? And IBM was taking many, many different cracks at this problem and so was the rest of the industry. I know it from an IBM perspective because that's where I was for 15 years or so. Well, first we had this thing called distributed computing environment. And then after C and C++ were released, we had objects, but not everyone wanted to bet on C++. So we wanted to build this layer around objects so that you could plug any arbitrary language into an object model, called the system object model. And the language would own everything except how the objects interacted with each other, right? Terrible idea, but we double down on it, right? We said, okay, what we really need to make this work is to make it distributed, right? And then it wasn't really successful. So we said the reason it's not successful is that it can't talk to the other object brokers in the industry. Right? And we failed. So the pendulum starts swinging to the other side and now we start to see the proliferation of the internet. This is, which one is that? That's CompuServe. Does this look familiar? That's the same old green screen stuff and the customer said I don't really want that. But this stuff scaled, right? It is the old stuff. It's the same model except we're running over a modem instead of that hard, that hard wire. So the pendulum keeps drifting slowly to the other side because your request response is easy to manage until somebody built a beautiful windowed browser that wrapped around that request response metaphor. Right? It's really the same old stuff. But it has this thing called HTML and that markup. And that markup could give you a more beautiful page, right? So then we started wondering how do I make this scale to thousands of people with a business application? So this was a cool insight. This is kind of the crux of the talk. So that looks familiar, right? That stuff is all the state. Okay, I'm gonna get cheesy for a second. What's that movie? 50 First Dates. Yeah, so she can remember short things just fine. She forgets everything at the end of the day, right? And basically the day is a web request, right? And the whole movie is about all the work that they have to do to learn how to have a meaningful long-term conversation. And all the things that she does to help herself remember what's happened. They make videos and she does a diary. So yeah, this is effectively what we did to make the web work, right? We gave our applications a lobotomy, right? We made them forget, right? So we broke that, we cut that cord right there. We shoved the state way off in a corner, somewhere else. We built a connection pool for the web. That's what a request response web server is. It's a connection pool for the web, right? We don't know how to mass produce these whole applications with these tiny conversation elements. We know how to mass produce these, right? And you've seen these things named different things. While I was at IBM, we started calling it the session facade. Remember Enterprise Java Beans? And we said, no, no, no, you can do that with a plain ordinary Java bean. We had an acronym for it called a POJO.  And then we renamed that, we said, hey, wait a minute. This is Model View Controller, except not really. It's Model View Controller, we called it Model 2, right? A request response version of Model View Controller. This is the second time you're gonna see this chart, okay? And while you're thinking about this and wondering, why didn't I think of that great idea? Well, you've got the benefit of history. So you know that there's a hole here, right? What happens between those requests, right? What happens here? Who has the job of managing the state? I do, you do, right? Okay, so I want you to hear this. I want you to hear this. There's some good things about this responsibility. Statelessness is important sometimes, right? The approach is standardized, much greater scale, much simpler code. There are also some downsides. See that bug on the bottom? Yeah, so I don't know if this is the root of all good or the root of all evil, you know, probably both. So anyway, we started building applications this way. And this is what they look like.  And CGI stands for? Right, so we were doing this again. We're on the other side again.   The pendulum is swamp. And it's a big deal because now we can scale this. This really isn't the same old pendulum swing. It's not the same thing, right? Because this is a scalable version of the thing that we had before. Remember the connection pool? That was enabled by giving our applications lobotomies, right? We made them stateless. So, you know, this took a couple of forms before we finally settled on the right amount model. Do you guys remember, remember applets? So at IBM, so I think this was great strategy. We had customers that we had said, hey, OS2, OS2, OS2, man, you gotta buy this OS2 thing, right? In the meantime, they're spending most of their money on mainframes and they're perfectly happy, right? We kept saying OS2 and then we realized that Microsoft was going to win. Then we had to say, remember all those OS2 things you built and then the customers would stack all of their mainframes at the top of the 30th floor, they have them next to the window, they'd be ready to push and they'd say, what were you gonna tell me about OS2? We'd say, oh nothing, we kinda walk away. So we had this problem and what we decided to do was actually invest in Joppa. We'd say, okay, you need to build your applications on a browser and then we could snap out the operating system and snap in Windows, problem solved, right? That's basically what we did. This was our strategy but this is the form that it took. Of course, applets never really took off but servlets did, right? So you had this company that was watching this base very carefully and they said, okay, you can tie your HTML, we'll serve the Java side of this application, right? This was called, the server was called WebLogic and it handled the dynamic content, much the way that you have rail servers or your Elixir servers today. But Java was right in the middle of all this and I'm not gonna sit here and bash Java today. You can Google me, there's a lot of other talks that do that but Java made this all possible, right? The stability, security and organization was by far better than where we were coming from which was C, right? So if you think about it, we had the sandbox which provided the portability and the security and the stability to make all this happen, right? And this also allowed IBM in some way to in run Microsoft which was very important to IBM's really survival. Okay, and so the pendulum has swung all the way to the other side and a lot of internet applications that we're very familiar with were born at this time and I wanted to kinda look at some of the early versions of these applications so you can kinda see what the mindset was when we were thinking request response and the batch mode. It's kinda cool, right? It's not what you'd imagine and somehow that wasn't enough, right? So the pendulum swings until we started to need to do more, we started to really wanna push the envelope. Somebody said, hey, wouldn't it be great if applications were more interactive, right? We started building that on the same old architectures for the same old models for the same results, okay? There were some people that had more success with a lot more resources, but the pendulum is swinging, right? We're seeing the availability of just in time kinda push the pendulum to the other side again, okay? So here we are. So the pendulum is not quite all the way across. This is what you need to tell your boss. This is why this conference is such a big deal. This is where we are. We've given our applications a lobotomy and we've gotta fix it. Maybe, right? Because some of that statelessness is good, right? So we need to maintain that model, but for the richer request response, the richer request response stuff that has to happen to build the Twitters and the Google Maps with somebody that has less resources than Google, we need major changes, right? We need to take this frantic juggling and knock it out and stitch these requests back together so that we're dealing with full conversations again, right? This is more than an application, this is the conversation. This is why I had the metaphor of the 51st states in there, right? A rich conversation requires state and you can't be thinking about juggling the state in every step of the conversation. It's too much work to manage from a performance standpoint and from a mental ball, right? What we're really saying is Donald, you're fired, right? Always wanted to say that. We're going right back to here in a way that scales neatly and what do we need to make that happen? This, my friends, is what the conference this weekend is about. It's about the abstractions, the concurrency and isolation that makes these types of applications possible. Remember these? Way in the past, right? So what we need are pure functions. This is where the reactive model stuff comes in. Some, this isn't specifically being addressed by this conference, but the server side consumption of this is where it's at. It's a conversation. It's not a request response anymore for the richest things that we need to be able to do. Not bad for a request response. Not enough for where we are. A newly imagined model view controller separates the pure from the impure. Thanks to Jose for this, which you took from, where was this? Where was the paper? So I'm going to tweet out a link. I'm going to tweet out a link to the original NBC paper. But this separates the controller is responsible for the impure interactions. The models and the views are pure functions. Easier to test, easier to scale. This is the other reason that we're here. This isn't enough anymore, right? We need to do this. Have you guys been watching the measurements? Okay, let's start from the beginning. So Chris, when were your original Rails measurements? Roughly? Just before Elixir Compass, okay. So about a year ago, Chris ran a test. It was really exciting for you guys, I know. We were 10 times faster than Rails. Woo, everybody, right clap. Go crazy. Yeah, that's more like a woo, yeah. Okay, next. But then, the story changes as you start to look at some of the other competition. So Matthew Rothenberg ran some tests. Matthew, are you here? Okay, so Matthew ran some tests on four cores. And gosh, Phoenix is right up there with right near the top of the best frameworks in the industry, right? That's exciting. Here's what's really exciting. As you start to crank up the number of cores, Phoenix and Plug start to pull away. Does anybody expect this chart to change? That's really cool, right? That's really cool. That means that not only are we on a beautiful abstraction, which is part of why that Phoenix was built in the first place, it's a fast abstraction and it's the right abstraction. Does anybody believe that we have the resources to throw at performance that Google does? Probably not, but we have the right abstraction that's gonna win. And then the last idea is that it's not enough to be just good enough on the isolation side. Concurrency without isolation is just noise. We need things to be fast, repeatable, and reliable, supervised and consistent. And that's what it's gonna take to finish the pendulum swing to the other side. Questions, over here. So that's a great question. When does it swing back? This is not done, right? So we're just talking about one kind of move, one kind of use or input here. We're not really talking about mobile. And in fact, how many of you are using more and more voice on your phone? So maybe a third of you? I'm always on Siri. And that's a request response type metaphor, right? And pretty much has to be right now with the way the systems are designed. What else can push it the other way? Well, there's another kind of input. Smart cars have got to use video input, right? That has to be, that's gonna swing the pendulum back to the other side. Jose and I were having a conversation on the way over here. And you guys remember the lobotomy where I kind of put the lobotomy back and you put the frontal lobe back on the brain and there's a question mark. Say maybe, well, there's still many reasons that stateful or stateless is a good idea, right? None of our web applications are gonna be pure, pure stateful and pure Twitter and feeds. That's why half or more than half of our Phoenix book talks about the way to do those stateless applications. That's not dead. And yes, the pendulum will swing back to the other side. But this talk is about the drive, the ability to handle that stateful side of the equation with richer interaction with greater scale. And that's what our customers are demanding. That's what's gonna push the whole market in this direction. More questions. Did I answer your question? More questions. You guys are way too quiet. Okay, thank you. All right, thanks.


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Here we are in QuickBooks Desktop sample rock castle construction practice file provided by QuickBooks going through the setup process we do every time maximizing the homepage to the gray area going to the view drop down noting that we got the hide icon bar and open windows list checked off open windows open on the left hand side going to the reports drop down company and financial opening up the profit and loss ranging to the changing from 010124 to 123124 january to december that is 2024 customize it and then go to the fonts and numbers change it bring it on up to 12 okay yeah okay and then going to the reports drop down again company and financial this time the big balance sheet hitting the drop down we're going to the fiscal year 123124 to customize fonts and numbers changing the font 12 and okay and saying yes and okay that's what we do every time opening up the major two financial statement reports all other reports pretty much giving us more information expanding upon one or multiple line items in the major financial statement reports we have open now we're looking at the graphs that are related to the accounts payable given us more detail on the balance sheet account of the accounts payable noting remembering accounts payable represents us owing vendors for goods and services provided to us and we can see the sub report of that broken out by vendor by going to the reports drop down up top company and i'm not company vendor and payable vendor and payable i should say because that's the proper thing that's what we're doing and then we're going to go to the vendor balance summary right here boom and there's the 26 63692 which should tie out to the big balance sheet 26 632 that looks good back to the vendor balance summary let's make it a little bit larger on the font just so you can see it more clearly more clearly because it's bigger and your if your eyeballs are not as good like mine then you can see it better so there it is now we want to make a graph of that so we have a graph in excel we looked at our in quickbooks we looked at last time we could find it by going to the reports drop down vendor payable and we can take a look at the graph the graphical accounts payable graphical and there it is it's nice it's colorful but it's pretty static we can't do much more with it and i would like to do much more with it having different colors possibly breaking out in a different format over here on the vendor side of things as well so it would be easier than i would practice then taking the data where it comes from exporting it to excel and that's a good practice to kind of see how that graph is made how we can apply to other graphs and then some excel tools to simply make it in excel and this is a nice easy report to make a pie chart from so let's do it i'm going to go back to the vendor balance summary we're going to go to export to excel i'm going to create a new worksheet i'm going to put it into the existing workbook if you don't have a workbook that's okay you could just make a new workbook but i'm going to put it into the existing workbook which is going to be that month in reports that we've been working on and then okay if you if you this is the first time you see you don't know what i'm talking about then we've been working on this report uh but you don't have to you can make your own and so there it is index i'm going to maximize this i'm going to grab that sheet by clicking on the left click and drag it to the right so it's the last thing we have here double click on it so i can change the name i'm going to call it ap data data for our graph so there it is now i i'm very zoomed in because when i work on quickbooks i wanted to zoom in the screen so i'm going to go into my settings these are my window settings for the display settings and i'm going to scale it back down to just 100 the recommended settings because i've been zoomed in so if you need to do that if you have different settings you can do that looks a lot smaller over here now i'm going to zoom back in by going down here instead of 100 percent i'm going to hold control and scroll in so i can see a bit more so there it is and i can see are there any any special formatting here no the total totals up so that looks good i'm going to delete the total column i don't need the total column i'm going to click on column 19 that's a row not a column i'm going to click on row 19 number 19 which is a row don't you know what a row is compared to a column rows are horizontal columns okay i know i just messed up i'm going to put my cursor on number one up top the row the row right click on it and hide and then delete it and then put my cursor on the column of a we don't need it either right click on it and delete it now notice the formatting is a little bit different because it's quick books formatting here we've got this i want to bring it to excel formatting so i'm going to put my cursor on excel outside the data go to the home tab and go to the format painter and then i'm just going to click the little triangle formatting the entire thing then i'm going to put my own formatting in the entire worksheet right clicking on it format the cells and i like to make the formatting then be currency bracketed numbers for negatives no dollar sign let's get rid of the decimals because we don't need them we don't need no decimals that's just going to make more problems so there we have it and then i'll make this a little smaller between a and b by putting my cursor between a and b and then just making it smaller like that and then i'm gonna i'm gonna select the data here i'm gonna select the data let's put makes make it into a table and so i'm going to insert a table insert tab table boom and it's got this thing down here i'm going to say okay tableized it it's been tableized and then we can sort it using our little filtering options up top sorting it by who we owe let's go from z to a so this is the top person that we owe money to for goods and services we provided from the vendor or we bought from the vendor for our business we could add a total column down below if we so choose by going to the table design put the total column back in there's the 26 6 36 which should tie in still to what was on quickbooks 26 6 36 it should tie out to what's on the balance sheet which was the 26 6 36 it does indeed so there we have it and so now we can simply make this into a pie chart we could do that by just selecting the data just gonna select this data and notice we might want to like remove or shorten it a little bit but we'll make a pie chart with all of it first and then we'll see it has some skinny some skinny slices and then we'll adjust it so the pie chart is easy as pie to to to make we just go to insert pie chart boom there's the 3d one again i don't like the 3d one but you could do this they also have this disc one which is kind of cool that one's a new age new age pie chart but we'll go to the standard pie chart up top there it is maybe we don't need a title maybe we do that but it's got a lot of slices it's quite small it's got too much going on here so what am i going to do i'm going to say let's go let's make make it like the one in quickbooks one two three four five six seven eight nine ten so this one down here everything below that let's let's make that other that adds up to 2985 so i'm just going to make this one 2985 and delete all these column or row 13 through 18 right click and delete i'm going to make this other now and so now it looks a little bit a little bit nicer can make it larger maybe so but maybe it's still it's still too much going on there so maybe we shorten it down a little bit more maybe i'll make it up to like here so i'm going to say that adds up to two seven three two seven three two or seven two three two i'm dyslexic seven two three two that's okay i'll figure it out this we're going to right click and delete it still adds up to the 26 637 which ties out to here right so we've got 26 6 that's right and then this is going to be other so now we've got a nice smaller kind of pie chart we might want to drag it down we might want to adjust the the design of it possibly adding adding a key a different kind of format of the key percentages in it something like that maybe and again we have a lot more options to adjust the color scheme of it and whatnot we can adjust the color scheme and so on up top something like that or whatever and so you got a lot more flexibility that's the point so then we could do the same thing with the other i know this is quite small because i'm going back over here and this the looks small but the other chart is based on this chart is based on the aging report so if i go to the aging report reports drop down and we go into the vendors and payable ap to the ag and the current one to 30 let's well i'm just going to make the totals are all we need so i'm just going to go down here and say all right well then let's just i don't even need to export that i'm just going to go little table i'm going to put that whatever that is so that it doesn't like format my numbering weird well let's do this this is going to be current i don't need one for current and then that and then one to 30 and then that and 31 to 9 31 to 60 and then that and 61 to 90 and then over 90 those are our categories typically and now let's just go plug in the numbers which i can just i don't have to export i'll just type them in there two three one seven seven seven two two three one seven seven point seven two is that right two three two three one seven and then three four five zero point two three four five zero point two and then and then that should add up to 26 that's it so there's nothing in this category that category which should total up sum it up sum it up little that doesn't tie out 26 528 this comes out to 26 636 so 2317772 23177 so there it is no 2317772 and it's too small i can't see it three four five nine 20 three four five nine 20 okay there we go and then we could just make this into a bar chart or whatever so we can go insert up top and put it put a bar chart or something like that and see how easy that is and now we've got all the flexibility we can change the column sizes and the x and y axis numbers and so on to adjust that if we so choose we can just the color scheme of it we can you know do different you know we can do a whole bunch of other stuff with it now if i wanted to not show the data files we can once again make another tab down here i'm going to do that with a little plus item i'm just going to call this the ap graph and then maybe i just copy the graphs over here maybe i just want the graph i'm going to control c copy it paste it on down right here and then i'll copy this graph copy it paste it on down right there i'm going to go to the view page layout back on over so i can see the end of the screen and say how how large could i make these graphs maybe i want to make it landscape so that this time so that i can make it bigger so now i could say okay let's make it seems like it didn't switch to landscape back on over it's on landscape orientation it's not making the change orientation landscape bring it here to here orientation landscape okay whatever we're going to bring it into here and then this one we can bring it back out so there we have it okay and then if i wanted to hide this data tab i can right click on it and i can hide it so that when i print all this stuff on one report it'll just it'll just print what i want here so i can go back to the file tab i can go to the print we could say that's not print we can go to the print print it using the cute pdf printer and there's our option still not doing the landscape thing which is kind of annoying but i'm not going to get into it too much right here it's because we'll just just giving some examples if i hit the drop down we want to see the entire worksheet and then i can scroll down we got 25 pages on this thing now and if i go all the way to the bottom we've got our graphs that we made here's the last graph if i scroll back up it's got the prior graph it doesn't have the data tab because we hit it so that's nice way that we can put all this stuff on one pdf using our excel which will do in a future presentation there it is i still am kind of annoyed that it's not there it switched to landscape so now i can make it landscape why you why aren't you why weren't you working before you making me look stupid excel you make me look stupid i hate when you do that that's okay whatever i look stupid all the time here we go so there it is and then this one okay so so now if i go back on over here file and we we're gonna say print it and then the entire worksheet and i can go back to 26 page so there it is so now it's on landscape so we can make a larger one landscape and it still shows on a pdf if they were to watch it digitally instead of printing it it looks nice if they're gonna print it then we got this issue where you gotta staple it sideways and whatnot which is driving me crazy i swear but there it is so there it is okay