Firey horse with a speed of light, a cloud of dust, and a hockey-high old silver! The lone ranger! With his faithful Indian companion total, the daring and resourceful mask-wider of the plains led the fight for law and order in the early western United States. Nowhere in the pages of history can one find a greater champion of justice. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoofbeats of the great horse Silver! The lone ranger rides again! One silver! Let's go, big fellow! A silver! Silver! Mr. Howley is a boy of five. He brings wild animals back alive. He can capture lions because he knows he's got go- Cheerios, all right! The nourishing old cereal that shaped like little leperos. The ready-to-eat cereal with a wonderful toasted old flavor. What's more, every delicious spoonful of Cheerios and milk is real muscle-building food. That's right, each spoonful contains vitamins, minerals, and proteins your body needs. And these good things in a Cheerios breakfast do good things for your body. Help you have healthy nerves, good red blood, strong bones, and muscles. Yes, Cheerios is made to give you real go-power. So try Cheerios, the famous old cereal that needs no cooking. And soon you'll hear people say... He's feeling his Cheerios! Miles Janis, the richest ranch owner in the town of Richland, died and left his fortune to his son, David, a confirmed gambler in Merdewell. During the next two years, Dave Janis gambled away his cash reserves and was forced to sell his entire stock of cattle to buyers in Kansas City.  Then, taking the rest of the sale money, Dave headed for a Kansas City gambling house. Late the next afternoon, and after a night of gaming, Dave Janis lost his last chip. That's it, man. Full house wins, King's over Jack. Peace, mate. Get a look next time, Phillip. Janis turned to Ollie Moonen, who had remained with him. Clean the alley. Broke. I am too, boss. I lent you all ahead. Lucky in one way. Your ticket's back to Richland. But you have no livestock back there. No cowhands to run the place if you did have stock. Something tells me I'll have you back in the brand-changing business again. Hey, my friend Jim Lowry's in Richland. He could help us. That's good to know. Let's figure other ways to make money first. I need a bet. Soon. You'll think of something on the way back to Richland. Dave Janis and Ollie Moonen went to the railroad station that evening. As they walked to their car, they passed the baggage coach. Best money goes to Richland? Three men holding guns in their hands stood around a collection of canvas suitcases, each of which had lettering on the side. Ollie pointed to one of the bags. Look what it says on the side of that one bag. Bank of Richland, it says. See it. Tomorrow the first of the month. No, next day. Why? Richland Bank receives a money shipment from Kansas City in the first of each month. It must be it. Bank money, huh? You wouldn't have to rustle cattle if you had that cash. No, I wouldn't. Men sat alone in the train on their way to Richland. After a long silence, Dave said... Ollie, I remember something. This train doesn't get into Richland until six tomorrow evening. Bank doesn't pick up the money then. No? Who does? No one. Selecting the station master's office in the safe, huh? Bank people pick it up in the morning. Ollie, I have an idea. I'm getting some myself. What's yours, boss? And... Josh Allen, the station master, is an old friend of my thoughts. When we get to Richland tomorrow evening, I'll go to his office. He talked about his plan during the rest of the trip. At six o'clock, the train reached Richland. Ollie Moonen left the train and headed for the town's main street while Dave Janus waited inside the railroad car and alighted when he saw two guards emerge from the station master's office and return to the baggage coach. Then he too hurried to the station master's office. Josh, really? Josh, are you in? Who's there? Oh, it's you, Mr. Janus. I'm over here by the safe. Josh, I have an envelope here with important papers inside. Let's take them to a bank in the morning. Do you mind keeping for me until then? I'd be glad to keep them. I was just going to put this suitcase into the safe. Let me have the papers, huh? Yeah, Josh. Josh Allen knelt in front of the safe and began to work the dial. Intent on a task, he was unaware that Dave Janus had tiptoed behind him and was watching closely, writing a combination on a piece of paper cupped in his hand. There she is. Uh, thanks, Josh. I'll see you in the morning. The Janus ranch was on the outskirts, less than two miles from the town's main street. Ollie Moonen had his pal, Jip Lawley, with him when he arrived at the Dave Janus ranch house shortly after sundown that evening. The man exchanged greetings and then Dave outlined the plan he had discussed with Ollie on the train. Jip asked, what's this alibi you're setting up? A fire. Fire? Yeah.  Your barn? Where's that? It's about 50 yards away from here, behind the house. I'll make a slow-burning fuse that'll burn for about half an hour. I'll leave it into the hay loft and light it about 9.30. And I'll ride into town and go to a cafe where people will see me. The fire will start about ten o'clock, huh? Yeah. Because my place is some near town and on a hill, flames will be seen easily. That means a volunteer fire brigade of every man in Richmond. When the fire starts, you two will be waiting someplace where you can't be seen. The long ranger and tanto are heading westward and circled around the town of Richmond and were riding along a back trail in the hill country near the outskirts. A bright moon shone. And as they near the Janus Ranch, they saw two horsemen speeding from the property toward the trail. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up, hold up. Pull back into the underbrush here. Back up to the back. The mass man and the Indian backed their horses into the underbrush to a spot where they'd be unseen from the trail. But as the two horsemen approached and then passed, the long ranger and tanto were able to see them. And a brief view was enough for the mass man. And the horsemen had passed. He asked, Did you get a look at those men, tanto? One near us with all the moon. Ah. In one, you know. The other was chip flowery. That's not good for men who own ranches here. Tato, let's camp near here somewhere. I think we'll do some investigating tomorrow. We'll learn if we can what moon and flower are doing here. Up in Hills. Seem good place to camp. Him or Sully? We'll camp there. Come on, Tato.  Oh, Sheriff! Sheriff, the Janus Ranch is on fire. What? Hey, look. See the sky over there in the west. Well, it's all red. See flames. See them, Sheriff? Sure I do. Boys, start shooting your guns off. Let's empty the cafes and get every man in town out there. That looks like a big fire. You ought to see it. Flames shooting way up. Get in the alarm, boys. The long ranger and tanto from their camp in the Hills saw the flames light up the sky above the Janus Ranch. They set out at once for the ranch. In town, the gunshots of Sheriff Pete Tato and his deputies had brought Maynard streaming into the main street from the cafes. Among the first to appear was Dave Janet. The sheriff called. Janus, your place is on fire. No, it can't be. Boys, you can see the sky from here.  We're going to put out that fire, and I want every man to volunteer. The curtain falls on the first act of our lone ranger adventure. Before the next exciting scene, please commit us to pause for just a few moments. Can fly a jet. He's 12 years old and the fastest yet. He can loop the loop because he knows he's got gold. Cheerios. The cereal shaped like little letter O's. And those O's stand for Oats. The good grain Cheerios is made from. Every delicious spoonful of Cheerios and milk is real muscle building food. Each spoonful contains vitamins, minerals and proteins your body needs. Yes, those good things in a Cheerios breakfast do good things for your body. Help you have healthy nerves, good red blood, strong bones and muscles. You can see that Cheerios is made to give you real go power. So make sure you have a Cheerios breakfast every day. Then you'll hear people say. He's feeling his Cheerios. Now to continue. A few minutes later, as the sheriff, Dave Janis and the men of the town rode toward the fire, only two persons remained on the street. One standing in front of the Red Lantern Cafe was a girl entertainer, Carmen Carmel.  Josh Allen heard the girl and called back. Can't you let it get back inside now? The old man paying no further attention to the girl turned and walked back into the open door of his office. As he stepped inside, two men with their faces covered leaped from the side of the room. One of them brought his gun crashing down on Allen's head. I am up and gagging. I'll open the safe. I have a combination here. Jeff tied and bound Josh Allen while Ali opened the safe and took the money filled suitcase. They hurried from the station office to the place nearby where they'd left their horses. When they mounted, they failed to see the girl, Carmen Carmel, crossing the street toward the station. As the two crooks rode away their horses into the underbrush, the girls saw them. Then, alarmed, she ran to the station master's office. Josh? Josh, is something wrong? Josh! The old day of Janus and the men from the town rode up to the scene of the fire. The barn, which had burned quickly, was a mass of flaming embers. It's destroyed. My barn's destroyed. Too bad, Janus.  You're lucky that it was over there. Coming from back in the house, huh? That's a mass, man. No, it's not. Break your outlaws. I bet they set this fire. Don't let him get away. When he saw the mass men in India and fought quickly, no doubt they were outlaws. He would accuse them of setting the fire and make doubly sure of removing any suspicion of himself. He led the mob, who, with guns drawn, ran to the lone ranger in Tahoe. Hopefully your hands, man. You're covered. Hold on. Lower those guns. You're making a mistake. No, I'm not. You two set fire to my barn, didn't you? I don't have a list. Let me talk to you. Hello, Sheriff. I'm glad you're here. I don't know. We're getting into a spot. Sheriff, do you know these outlaws? These men are not outlaws. They're on the side of the law. Always have and always will be. So they set fire to my barn. No, we didn't. We installed a fire and came here to help fight it. Without help, there was nothing we could do except try to stop it spreading. Lower your hands. You too, Tom. Thanks, Sheriff. If you look at the ground, maybe we've tried to keep it wet so the fire wouldn't spread. Let's see. That's right, Sheriff. Look. It's all water between here and the house. You ever hear of Ollie Moonan and Jim Lowry, the Texas outlaw? As the lone ranger spoke the name Ollie Moonan, Dave Janice paled and decided to take a desperate chance before he could try the sheriff spoke. Ollie Moonan an outlaw? But he's Mr. Janice's ranch foreman. That's right. He's not an outlaw. This man is lying. Moonan's been in jail for rustling. And the man who left here with him tonight was Jim Lowry, another convicted rustler. They were here tonight? Sheriff, don't believe this man. Moonan was here, yes. About seven o'clock. He went back to town alone. I left about eight. We see outlaw here after that time. You're the outlaws. Sheriff, they broke into my house and threatened me. Janice, you can't mean that. I'm sure these men have never threatened any honest man. And we never saw you before tonight, Janice. Sheriff, the riot is coming this way. Hey, it's a warrant. Hey, that's the girl who can't be in town. Whoa, whoa, there, whoa. There's been a hold up in town. The station has to respond. Without waiting for questions, Carmen Carmel told us seeing the men wide away and then finding Josh Allen in the half open safe. And I cut the ropes from old Josh and brought him through. He saw the safe right away. Bank money's been stolen. That's what he said. Thousands and thousands of dollars. Miss Carmel, you said you saw the two robbers riding away. Did you see their faces? Only one of them, Sheriff. A fellow I know from the cafe, Ollie Moonen. Ollie Moonen. Dave Janice, do you hear that? And Sheriff and this man went back to their horses hurriedly and muttered. We've been hornswoggled. Those zombies set fire to this place to get us out of town so they could rob the bank. I think you're right, Sheriff. I know I am. Hey, Todd and I ride with you, Sheriff. We're shorting. Come on along. One, two, three. The lone ranger, Todd O, the sheriff, and the others sped from the ranch and headed for town. They've covered only a short distance when the lone ranger rode close to the lawman. Sheriff, will you stop these men for a minute? Right. Stop everybody. Put down your mind, mister. Where's that man, Janice, Sheriff? Well, isn't he with us? He remained behind, Sheriff. I know he did. Well, we'll talk to him later. But first, I'd like to play a hunch I have. May I have one of your deputies to stay with me here? The deputies? Sure, sure. We have a lot of men. If you have an idea of some kind, go through with it. I know you're well enough to have faith in your ideas. Thanks. I'll take two men then. Sheriff Tuttle instructed Deputy Bill Maynard and another man, Luke Hall, to remain with the lone ranger and Todd O. Then the lawman, Carmen Carmel and the other men continued on to town. The masked man spoke to Maynard and Hall. I may be wrong in what I'm about to do. I am, I'm sorry. If I'm right, I want you men as witnesses and to take charge officially. All right. What are you going to do? That fire was a decoy, no doubt about it. Why, Mr. Janice should deliberately lie and say Todd O. and his house and threaten him is something that's a mystery. Well, he took that back before we left. Remember? Yes. After the girl identified his form on Ollie Moonen, a man hears what I plan to do. We'll go back near the Janice Ranch and hide among the trees and grow along the main trail there. I'll write a note now. Dave Janice paced the floor of his ranch house unnerved by the developments of the past 20 minutes. He finished a drink when suddenly a rock crashed through the window and fell onto the floor. With a note tied to it. I wonder who... Janice heard to the broken window and peered off side. There was no one inside on the Moon Bay's ranch. Someone threw that rock in. Someone... Hmm. Now I see what's on that paper. Janice picked up the rock, removed the note and read it. There were a few words poorly scrolled on the paper. Act quick. Ollie. Ollie. I wonder what he means. Must have seen his sheriff and the men come here. But how... How could he get here? Confused and shaken, Janice tried to figure who had brought the note and why. Finally, he went out onto the grounds. The fire on the barn still smoldered, but there was no one to be seen. He decided to go to the hideout and learn what the strange note meant. He ran to his horse. Mouth had been started for the hill.  Get up, boy! Less than a minute later, four horsemen emerged from the brush by the roadside and followed him. Take it easy. I'll let him see us.  Ollie Moonen and Jeff Lowry in their secret hideout in the hills were surprised when the door to the cabin opened and Dave Janice entered. What are you doing here? This note, Ollie. What did you mean by it? What note? This one. When you were someone throwing the window at my place. You're crazy, Jeff, and I haven't left this place since we got here. That's a trick. That means... I'm at waste. What about the money? Where is it? Right over here. See? We opened the bag. There's $28,000 in it. Not much, huh? Well, look, we better divide it now. And you two better get out of the territory right away. Why? You were identified tonight. What? A girl from some cafe saw you after you robbed Josh Allen. Besides, there were a masked man in an Indian who saw you leave my place early tonight. Masked man in Indian? Did the masked comrade ride a white horse? Yes, Ollie. Look, at the windows. Whoa! That's what he means. Oh, keep them covered when I put the handcuffs on this sneak and skunk. What about us? Come and ask comrade Shardes. Look at my hands. I need a doctor. You'll get a doctor, Jeff. So will Ollie here. You'll get another jail sentence, too. Out with your hands, Janice. We heard everything. Me? Bandit time? No, Tutto. Everybody made it. Mr. Hall had the situation in hand. Yeah. The money that was stolen, too. We'll bandage these skunks before we take them to the who's, gal. Good. We'll ride on ahead and tell Sheriff Tutto what happened. He'll meet you on your way to town. Come on, Tutto. You're letting that masked man go? Yeah, but you're coming with us, Janice. We'll be able to send you away for a long time. That masked comrade did it to me before. If I'd known he was in these parts, I'd never have come here. Janice, he's poisonous. Yeah, but who is he? You don't know yet? You know what, a boss, just like all other crooks who get caught. He's the lone ranger. Get on your way. Get on your way. Get on your way with me. You'll never get discouraged if you keep in mind champions are made, not born. Let's see how Tom Fears, past catching end for the Los Angeles Rams, got on his way. At 12, Tom played football a lot. And many a bump is what he got. But he kept trying, never quit. And here's what helped to keep him fit. He ate his Wheaties every bit. Today, Tom sparks those touchdown drives. It's Wheaties still on which he thrives. Wheaties to Fears. There's a past combination that's been clicking steady now for 19 years. Real energy in Wheaties. There's a full kernel of wheat in every Wheatie's flake. Okay, Tom, snipe that past. Hey, hey, hey. He's on his way, on his way. He's on his way, on his way. He's on his way, on his way. Get on your way with Wheaties. Cause champions are made, not born. Yes, sir. Get on your way, get on your way. Get on your way with Wheaties. Breakfast of champions. The Long Ranger is brought to you by General Mills every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at this same time. Be sure to listen.


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Hello everyone and thank you so much for joining us today for this special webinar as we get ready for Moodle Mood Global 2023. My name is Sandra Matz. I am the Educational Events Coordinator in the Moodle Community Team and today myself and other members from Moodle HQ will be joining you to run through some useful information about attending and presenting at the event. On the agenda today, I'll be giving a quick welcome and overview of the event, some information about the conference venue. Then I'll hand over to Jess, who will talk about purchasing for the conference, key rates and submitting abstracts. Mary will then take over to speak about presenting at the event. And then Mary and Sarah will give us a little bit more about the Jam Day, which is our pre-conference and which will have a pre-conference activities. I'll then share some details on the Moodle Mood party, quickly highlight some of the amazing things to see and do while you're in Barcelona. And we'll wrap up by answering your questions. Okay, to get us started, let me be the first to welcome you all to this information session about Moodle Mood Global 2023. Moodle Mood Global is our annual in-person conference where Moodle enthusiasts from all over the world get together to learn, collaborate and promote lifelong learning. This year we're returning to Barcelona, Spain for a conference on the 19th to 21st of September and our optional pre-conference activities, which will be held on Monday the 18th, the day before the conference start. Last year we had over 800 attendees from 66 different countries and we are looking forward to welcoming our global Moodle community to come join us again in Barcelona for another exciting event that will include keynote presentations, sessions featuring talks and workshops from the community, Moodle HQ and Moodle partners and sponsors, networking sessions and a Moodle party. We're also planning a music night in a cool club venue with some instruments available, drums, guitars, keyboards, microphone, so that Moodleers can join in and jump. Stay tuned for more details about this. As we did last year, we will be hosting Moodle Mood Global 2023 at Hotel Barcelona Sants in the centre of Barcelona. It is a cutting-edge hotel with a modern design and as we saw last year, it's ideal for an event like Moodle Mood Global. Conference attendees can book their own accommodation directly with the Hotel Barcelona Sants and benefit from a discount code available on the venue and accommodation page on the conference website. As you can see on the screen, all the accommodation options are available in the area and these are linked from the same page. This hotel is very well-connected and it is just 500 metres away from the restaurants, bars and cafes at Plaza Espanya and the scenic Montjuic district. It is located above the Barcelona Sants train and metro station with direct access to the high-speed avenue and Barcelona's metro and local train banks. Barcelona-El Prat Airport is only 12 kilometres away. There is a direct connection by a train from the airport, terminal 2 and a bus. Or a taxi from the airport will cost around 30 to 35 euros. Depending on where you're planning to stay during the days of the conference, the metro line L9 South can also connect you with the two airport terminals with the city of Barcelona. Every seven minutes which may come in handy for some. Sants Station has great public transport connections with other parts of the city so that it will be really helpful if you're planning to explore the city during the days of the conference. Over to you Jess. Thank you so much Sandra. Hi, my name is Jessica Grant and I'm the community manager here at Moodle. I'm happy to announce that registration is currently open on our website MoodleMood.org and you'll find the link in the chat. You can follow the links on the website to register for the conference and there's a really large orange register button in the menu or you can click on the blue register button on the homepage. You'll need to create an account on the website first and that will enable you to manage your event registration. The ticket to attend the event includes access to all the event spaces, sessions and talks, lunches and refreshments, access to the event mobile app. We also include morning tea, lunch, afternoon tea and social drinks. Workshops and networking, the pre-conference jam day, however, you'll need to book this in advance and there are limited spaces. So we recommend that you register soon if you want to attend the pre-conference and that's on the Monday before the conference starts. And you'll also get access to the MoodleMood party on Wednesday night and some other surprises. Early bird registration ends on July the 15th. We also have some other key dates which are available on our website and I'll speak to you about abstracts in a moment. But I'll just highlight here that you will have until the 4th of September to register for the MoodleMood global event. And then the event itself starts with the pre-conference on the Monday before the conference and that's on the 18th of September with the dev jam occurring all day. And we'll hear soon from Sarah who will tell us more about that. And the other jams will be running in the afternoon. Then the conference itself runs from Tuesday the 19th of September until Thursday the 21st of September. And this year's conference theme is lifelong learning. We invite MoodleMoods from any educational training learning fields to come together to learn from each other. Share their findings brainstorm to problems and explore best practices. And we'd love to hear from you and have you submit an abstract and be a presenter at the event. This year we have five different presentation methods ranging from five minute lightning talks up to one to two hour workshops. And Mary will go over these in a little more detail in a moment. Abstract submissions are now open and they close on the 2nd of June, which is less than three weeks away. So if you don't have your conference abstract ideas ready yet, we've provided you with a list of questions to help you brainstorm and they're available on the website. We'll let you know if your presentation was accepted into the program by the 16th of June. And if anyone's interested in sitting on the program committee, we'd love to hear from you. So please get in touch. You can contact us through the contact us link, which is in the footer of the moodlemoot.org website. And we'll get back to you. To submit an abstract, you have to create an account on moodlemoot.org. So that's the same account that you'd need to create to register. And then you follow the link to become a speaker. Requirements for abstract submission are all available on the website. And all selected speakers and poster presenters will be notified by email about the outcome by the 16th of June. And we'll then provide you with detailed information about your approved presentation method and what you can do to prepare for the event. We do encourage people to share their presentation slide in advance of the event. And this is going to help the audience to engage with your presentation. We're going to be accepting PowerPoint PPTX files. So if you're using Keynote or some other presentation software, you should export your files as PPTX. And then that way we're able to use our auto translation and auto captioning system for your presentation during the event. This will help make the event more accessible for everybody. You will be able to submit your PPTX files on the moodlemoot.org website closer to the date of the event. This year we're seeking presentations on the following topics. So we're covering augmented and virtual reality in education and training. How artificial intelligence is changing education and the workplace. Building core competencies with Moodle. Addressing inclusivity and equity within Moodle courses. Soft skills revolution, strengthening learners' critical thinking into personal and creative skills. Using Moodle to support science, technology, engineering maps on STEM delivery. And sharing Moodle experience with recent tales from the community. And as I mentioned, we've shared that document on the website to help you think about these topics in more detail. So check out the Become a Speaker page for further information. And here are some tips on how to write a quality abstract submission. Make sure you add a concise and clear abstract title. And then review those topic questions to help you generate ideas. In the keywords field, it's actually called the metadata field now. I have to update this slide, sorry. When you submit, you should add a stream. And that's either school and higher education or workplace training and learning. And then you need to add your audience and think about what would interest them. So you might be pitching your presentation to school, higher or further education providers, vocational educators and workplace trainers, Moodle developers or Moodle administrators, or a mix of those. We also want to find out from you what level you're going to pitch at. So is it for beginner Moodle users, intermediate or advanced? And then add any other keywords that describe your presentation. And just to mention again, that's in the metadata field, but there are instructions on the page when you submit. Keep your abstract relevant to a global audience. We expect attendees from over 60 countries. Last year we had 66 countries represented at the conference. So make sure you keep your language really simple. So those with English as a second language can really understand your meaning. Make sure you cover watch, why, how, and then summarize your key takeaway points as well in your abstracts so we can get a feeling for what it is you're trying to share with the community. And remember, you can always log back into the website and update your abstract submission up until the due date on the second of June. And now I'm going to hand over to Mary Cooch, who many of you will recognize to talk about presenting. Hello everyone, I'm Mary Cooch, Education Manager at Moodle. And we actually have five different presentation methods that you can choose to speak at the Moodle Moodle. Lightning talk, which is five minutes, you might have heard it called by a different name in previous years. But basically, if you do a five minute lightning talk, you'll be grouped with other people doing those talks. And then at the end of that session, there will be 15 minutes shared with the others for questions and answers. Or we have a 15 minute short presentation that you can do. That's basically 10 minutes of you presenting, leaving five minutes for questions. Or we have a 30 minutes, so that's a longer presentation. And for that, we recommend you talk for 20 minutes, giving you 10 minutes questions and answers. Now, if you're less comfortable about presenting or speaking, you're very welcome to give us a poster, design us a poster. And we'll put those on the walls at the conference venue. And then we will organize a time where all the poster presenters can be present next to their poster on the wall to talk about it. Or you are very welcome to volunteer to do a workshop, which lasts between an hour, an hour and a half, 60 to 120 minutes. This is interactive. So it will enable participants to get hands-on experience around whatever topic it is that you are running your workshop on. And closer to the event will make available to you a presenters guide if you've been selected as a presenter, as a speaker. And this will cover specific details such as how to prepare, submit your slides and the technical requirements. It will also give information on timing and the program, the venue and so on. And about the recording, audio visual recording, you may well find yourself famous on film. And also any information about your poster and how we will handle that if you've given a poster. If you are selected as a presenter and you are there on the day presenting just a few tips from me, the most important one to remember that obviously sometimes it's a bit nerve-wracking, but we are all on your side. It is a very friendly and welcoming, supportive atmosphere. So we are wishing you well and always bear in mind that you have something interesting that you want to share with us. And so we are very willing to listen to you. If you're going to talk about something from your own experience, a case study, for example, then please make screenshots with security, everything blurred out data. But don't do live demos. The reason we don't want live demos is because it wastes time, people connecting to their site. If we can't get the internet connection and so on. So if you want to share something from your site, then please make screenshots. Now, also bear in mind that you might be speaking in a very large room with people right at the back who are too vain to wear their spectacles. So don't use too many words. Don't have so many bullet points with small text. Just use a minimum number of words, large. And also if you're using screenshots, make sure to just magnify and zoom in on the specific area rather than just one screenshot of your front page of your website where everything is so small we can't see. Finally, most importantly, especially if you're in a session with me where I'm sharing, keep to time. We will have a timer as well as a chair for each session.  But it's not only very important, it's also very polite. Now, the pre-conference on the 18th of September, we are going to have what we call jams. And I'm going to talk about two of them. Then I'm going to pass over to Sarah, who is going to talk about the third, which is the dev jam. So there are three different activities that you can take part in. And they're actually included in the event price. So you are very welcome to register, but places are limited, as Jessica said. So you need to register quickly so that you're not disappointed and you miss out on the jam that you want to attend. So let's look at each of the activities. Now, learning designer jam, this is the first time we've ever done this. This is something run by the Moodle US team where learning designers will work in collaborative teams to create some courseware to share the best in modern learning design. And the theme is lifelong learning. So that might include micro learning, personalization, social learning, lifelong learning portfolios and analytics. And the goal in this jam is to build community, obviously, and to gather some best practices to share with learning designers around the world. And the examples will be shared and a winning team will be chosen with prizes. I don't know what they will be, but I'm sure there'll be exciting prizes for their work. And we're also having a UX Jam. This is going to be a very useful opportunity for you to meet with Moodle's UX team who will be running this jam. And this is going to be an interactive workshop to uncover some of the challenging workflows in Moodle and some of the user problems. It's also going to give you an insight into our internal discovery and design process, as we call them, and how you can get involved. And also the team will be recapping some recent projects which they have co-designed with members of the Moodle community. So I'm now going to pass over to Sara who's going to talk about the Dev Jam. Okay, based on the feedback that we got from the last year we organized a Dev Jam. This year we are organizing a whole day developer jam, so it's not just the afternoon, we are having a whole day and we are going to do a live coding day. So it's not about presenting, it's like bring your laptops and we will be coding the whole day. The idea is to bring your own ideas to projects. We will open in a forum so you can share these ideas and people will change your ideas or if you prefer to work by yourself, it's also okay. And we will also prepare a few issues from the tracker, bugs, improvements, so everybody can find the best way they can code during the whole day. It's like bringing their projects, ideas, or working on some of the issue trackers. We are also preparing a webinar to let you to help you to prepare your local environment so keep it stay time because you will hear about that in Moodle Academy soon. And the idea of this developer session is that you can come and program with us and raise your questions and proposals and share them with the community and with Moodle HQ. So yeah, you are more than welcome to come with us and code. Yeah. Over to you Sandra. Possibly the highlight of any Moodle mode is the legendary Moodle party. Last year we took over the oldest dance hall in Europe for an epic time travel theme, night of music, dancing, food and wild costumes that we will never forget. And of course this year we will be hosting yet another memorable dive. The Moodle party is included in the conference rights and it will include access to the party, a cocktail dinner and drinks. The Moodle party will be on Wednesday, the 20th of September, starting at 8 p.m. The location is the Otto Soetz Club. Otto Soetz is near the center of Barcelona and is easily accessible by public transport with direct connections from the Hotel Barthelosat. The space has three distinct areas to cater for all of the high energy, all of the chill out vibe and anything in between that you will be bringing on the night. And the theme for this year's party is the 1980s. So that's all your best outfit, costume or anything that reminds you of this amazing decade, such as the music, the outfits, the TV shows or whatever you can think of and come join us for a memorable night. As usual there will be a competition for the best costume at the party and the best one will be awarded a prize. So we can wait to see you all there. And of course, it wouldn't be a Moodle mood without taking a bit of time to get out and about and explore this amazing city. There are plenty of famous landmarks to explore and if you're planning to visit any of this, such as Sagrada Familia, San Pa Hospital or any of the amazing buildings from without E, we recommend you to book your tickets in advance, always from an official website to avoid disappointment and to avoid long queues and secure your entrance. But why not track down and chat with some of our Barcelona-based Moodle HQ staff while you're at the conference to get some local suggestions of things to see, restaurants and places to go and other interesting things you can do while you're in Barcelona. Come find me or any of my Moodle HQ colleagues from Barcelona during the conference and we will give you the best tips. And just before we wrap things up and turn to questions, there are plenty of ways to keep in contact and stay up to date with everything that is going on. You can follow us on Twitter at Mood Global. Keep an eye out for updates on the news section of our Moodle Mood.org website. You can also join the discussion on our Moodle Mood Global group chat on Element. You can also join our Moodle Mood Global course on Moodle Academy and keep an eye on your email inbox as we'll be sending updates from time to time for those who have registered for the event. And now it's time to answer any questions you have. You can type your questions in the chat or raise your hand and we'll send over to you so that you can ask your questions. And just to mention as well that a list of frequently asked questions can be found on the event website at MoodleMood.org slash thank yous. We have one now from Paulius. Does the speaker need to buy a ticket to the conference? Yes. Speakers do need to buy and register for their ticket. Guido has asked, I want to share a very good experience to use the train from Germany to Barcelona. This can save some CO2 emissions. Good point. A number of people are arriving by train and that's the great thing about the venue this year. It's not just from the airport, it's a direct train but also from other train stations in Barcelona. And we have a question from Mary as well. How long is it by train to the conference venue? Do you mean from the airport? Last time I came by taxi but I'd rather go by train if possible. So, it's direct. How long is it if it's from the airport? I'd rather go by train if possible. So, it's direct. How long is it if it's not very far? I would say it's around 40 minutes just to play, say something like that. Around that. It depends because there might be a direct one with no many stops but there might be another one with stops. So, it depends. But I would say 40 to 45 minutes. Max. Thank you. Oralee is saying it was quick. It's a direct train and she's also coming by train from the UK. So, there's another one saving some emissions on behalf of the rest of us coming all the way from Australia. And Paul has said, remember, don't take the I can't even pronounce that Sandra, maybe you can take over here. Sorry, let me have a quick look. It's more of an in-joke because I am taking the little yellow train over and I was recommended not to. Oh, okay. Whoops. Okay. Not relevant to everyone else. Never mind. Thanks, pal. Hello. And I don't know if other people saw it, but when Mary was presenting, one thing that I thought we could probably mention is when you're actually presenting at the mooch, sometimes people say, no, no, no, I don't need a microphone. My voice is loud enough. I can speak to the back of the room, but it's good to remember that we're recording the session. So, using your microphone is really important for the video recording but also it enables everyone in the room to hear. So, we may have people there who require to loop in to hearing loops. So, having you use the microphone and repeating any questions into the microphone and getting the audience to ask questions into the microphone is a really big accessibility consideration as well as being good for the video recording and everybody else to hear properly as well. So, if somebody asks a question and it's not into a mic, just remember as a presenter to repeat it, but we'll remind you of these things again in the speaker guidelines. So, did anyone else have any questions at all? Then you will announce hello, it's a polis again. Then you will announce the final program of the conference the abstracts, then they will be evaluated. That's a good point. We should actually add that to our key dates. So, it will be roughly one week after the acceptance of abstract proposals. So, let me just quickly check. Middle of June, something like that. Exactly, yeah. Something like that. Okay, thanks. Yeah, so the abstract proposals are coming in on the 16th of June or Friday and so you can expect the program to be out around then as well. So, yeah, and we'll add people to the program as they register. So, you'll see it slowly evolve from that date onwards. You're not mentioned in this presentation, but the Monday one is jam, flowers is a partner day, yes? Yes, that's right. Yeah, so it's also the global partners day on the same day as the jam. So, partners will be attending the global partners day on that Monday as well as other attendees at the jam day. And you register for the global partners day separately from the conference through the partner portal if there are partners here. But the invitation is not announced at the moment, I think. Probably not. No, we're not involved directly with that. But keep an eye on the portal and if you have any questions about that you can ask in the partner portal about when that might be announced. All right. If you do have other questions, you can get in contact with us through the Contact Us link on the website. But first of all, check out the Moodle Moodle FAQs. There's lots and lots of information on that page based on questions that were asked last year. So, your questions probably already been answered. And yeah, we're really looking forward to seeing you at the Moodle this year in Barcelona again. Yeah. And if you have any questions that you think might be helpful for other attendees as well, just feel free to contact us. And we might be updating the FAQ section with additional information as we get closer to the other day. Sorry to interrupt. I was just going to say we hoped that you will all consider submitting an abstract as well. We're really, really looking forward to seeing the great presentations, submissions that are coming through this year. We had such a hard time last year to squeeze them all in to the program. So, yeah, we look forward to seeing those. One more question if I can. Sure. If I have some questions, it's the first time we're planning to place our abstract to the Moodle Global Moodle. And if we have some additional questions, how we can reach you? Because in the slides, I don't find any mail or something like that where I can write. Or it is possible in general. Yes, yes. So on the website, if you go to MoodleMoodle.org and in the footer at the very bottom, there is a contact us link. And if you click on that link, it takes you to our form which comes into our ticketing system. So someone will answer you through there. Contact us. Okay, great. Excellent. Thank you. It's good to raise that again. We look forward to seeing your presentation submission come through. And I'll head back to Sandra now. Thank you. Thank you to everyone for joining us today and for this session. Don't forget to register for MoodleMoodle Global 2023 before the 15th of July to secure your early bar discount. And remember that if you would like to sign up here at the event, abstract submission closes the 2nd of June. So that's less than three weeks away. So we look forward to receiving your abstract submissions soon. And that's all. Goodbye for now. And we look forward to seeing you all in Barcelona in September.


Kuowei. Hi. Thank you for joining us for for doing this. We're trying to build a history of ICANN and you're one of the people who's been involved in ICANN for a long time. I'm going to ask you two questions. One is an easy question and one will be a little more interesting. So the easy question is describe for us your basic involvement when you started how you got involved and what you've been doing and that'll set the stage for a more interesting discussion. Actually involving the ICANN is before ICANN's form. I was in the Boston Pre-Meetings in 1998 and the reason I was involved is because in 1995 the APNIC started and we are helping the APNIC to run the institution and also establish the institution in Australia and because APNIC is a one of very founding member of ICANN. So there's reason why I started involved in ICANN the pre-meeting in Boston in 1998. And the most interesting is the first meeting in Singapore in 1999 and I was involved in a couple of funny things. The first of all is the ICANN GAC organizations how they set it up and they are talking about the pilot and I was involved with a poll to me and another interesting in Singapore in 1999. I think Steve reminds me of the ICANN. The ICANN actually started in 1999 Singapore as a buff. It's an international to my names and that is just a very beginning. The people talking about it and for the last 56 I can meet and I believe I joined at least 40, 45, at least 45 of them. I miss some of them because in the early days I was working for ASI Inc. the PC company. The company do not allow me to go to the international meeting no related to the PC business. So for example I didn't go to the Worm, I didn't go to the Egypt the first I Cairo meetings. So I miss some of them but I participate most of the ICANN meetings. Fill in a couple of pieces for me. What was your role in APNIC and also I think it'd be good to hear something about your background. I know you spent some time in the U.S. and you have a very solid technical background and I'm sure that played a role in in how you got involved and what your position was and that led into dealing with ICANN matters. Okay well first of all I'm not as solid technical as you are you know because my background is in the supercomputer you know in the creative research. I'm doing the architecture architect also compiler. Well but not networking. I've never been a networking peoples and I was really involved in this internet related actually it's started in 19 I think 1990. I don't forget about the time. You might be remembering it's a mosaic. The first mosaic design. The reason is mosaics are coming out from the University of Illinois of Russia and the mosaic designer. He said professor is my friend. When I visited you know University in Illinois of Russia of Joseph and Joseph told me say I bring my my student to show you something excited and there's a Mark Anderson come up he show me the mosaic and then a lady when I back to Taiwan I told myself I'm not going to write a compiler anymore. I want to go into the internet and so when I back to the Taiwan I started to build the internet in Taiwan. I was one of the founder to build an academic networking connect more than 400 institutions in Taiwan. 400. 4,000 sorry 4,000. 4,000 from elementary school to graduate school. 4,000 institutions. Yes. On the island of Taiwan. Yes. I didn't know there were that many. Yeah and everyone is connected to the internet. Wow. And my institution is a national super company center in Taiwan. I see. We provide a backbone and the reason doing that I think you remember in the early day the NSF connected four super companies and to build the NSF net. Yes. So after they we build a Taiwan academic networking I participate in the very first academic meeting and so I you know in the early day we always show what you can tell the internet your local community you did. So what I did is I present the Taiwan Academy networking how we can connect all the you know institution from school up to the graduate school you know 4,000 institution together you know under the government budget and all the professor all the community center including the school teacher was involved and so let is I stop up for this kind of project so from there I connect to the internet from APNIC and then go to the ICANN. Wow. What year was this academic network in Taiwan? What period of time? Ladies are very early day I think is 1992. Really? Yeah. 1992. And what speed were these lines? At late time we're using you know T1 line. T1? T1 that's a big boom. Yeah. T1 in 1992 is quite advanced. Yes. And I remember in the 1993 no 1994 we upgrade T1 to T3. Wow. 40 megabits. Yes. You know remember that you know so ladies how we develop in that. And of these 4,000 you got me interested in this. Yeah. Because in 1992 I got my daughter's school attached to the internet and the speed was a lot less at the time. What speeds were the elementary schools and the high schools? And many schools actually are using it more than 56k. Yeah. You know because in that day is 56 quite good enough. Yeah. You know and so the school is 56 but for most major national university or greater school actually connect with big boom is also is T1. T1 in 1992 and in 1994-95 the big boom is a T3 but they connect in the T1 too. Right. So it's quite good. I remember in 1994-95 I was go to the APNIC meeting we presented and so we demonstrate you know from the networking structure topology and particularly how to operate it. Yes. Because you need to coordinate with a lot of people. Right. 4,000 institution. Yeah. So you need to coordinate including the school teachers and the school teacher most of them they don't experience about networking. So you have to write an operation guide for them with the graphic and they know how to connect. So they are exciting. So my experience with that sort of thing is that the teachers are busy with a lot of things and so but usually there's a student or a couple of students that spend all their time on this and rapidly become very expert at this. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's true. Actually you might be to remember during the 1990 or year early of 2000 actually students smarter than teachers. Yes. Particularly in the networking or internet and in that early day in 1994-95 more than they actually I even go to China to help the China you know academic and academic to establish C&NIC. So from 1994 C&NIC and TNNIC we are very good friends because we help them to establish how to run the C&NIC to operation now on the IP address also the CCTLD.CN. Yes. You know. And so for a long time they still have a connection and visit each other. So you mentioned excuse me the CCTLD in Taiwan that's dot TW in China it's dot CN. Yeah. When did each of those get started? TW is started about 1990, 1990 quite early because we got an assignment from Jumbo State House. Yes. You remember that. And the CN I think it's about one or two years later you know because of the they call the Internet founder of the China he's a professor Chen. He's not Chen Wahlin. He's a Chen Tianpai. He's a previous director of the Community Center in academic C&NIC and of course you know he died in the high attack and then Chen Wahlin take it over. And I know he's a Chen Tianpai he applied the Tassian from Jumbo State House. So that is about one or two years different between the TW and the Tassian. But the major difference is in the very early days during the 1991 to 1994 1995 before the people still using the dial-up mode China tried to set up separate Internet as a domestic and international. Usually they call it 168 and 162. You dialed 162 mean you are connected to the domestic. 168 you dialed up is connected to the international. But after 1996 the Internet you don't need to dial anymore. So the whole thing is changing dramatically. So that's another whole story about China. Yeah. But I wanted to explore this because this fills in how a bit about the background about how you got involved with APNIC and from APNIC you got involved with ICANN. Yes. And you mentioned the IDNs were a lively topic right from the beginning. Yes. So that's something that I think is another story that we want to explore over a period of time. I said I was going to ask you two questions. I spent a lot of time on the on the first question about background. I think what's most interesting is getting beyond who did what when is to dig into the why and the how of things. And so let me ask what are the important or interesting or even annoying things that come to mind when you think about the history of ICANN and pieces that you know well. What kinds of things come to mind? I think let me talk about IDN first. Okay. Okay. Because I was involved in IDN quite not in the technical but in the policies. Yeah. I told that IDN is initiate in the very first meeting of ICANN 1999 in Singapore. In the first three years actually there's a big fighting about IDN for from two different directions. The one direction is put IDN as a proprietary systems. It's not go to the ITF without a pattern. Okay. And the company called it IDNA whatever. I don't kind of like that. I don't agree. So I talked to several other people for example China, Taiwan, Japanese, Korean. We think about IDN should go to the public domain as a through the ITF. So as a public interest should not be driven by a single company as a parent. So at that time the Japanese Kornishi-san the professor Kornishi from KDD he asked me to coordinate the people. So I go to find the technical people in Taiwan. I talk to the people in China. I talk to the people in Korea and also Japanese. The first meeting called JET, John Engineer Task Force. Yes. It's in the ICANN Yokohama meeting. There is I think it's year 2002 or something like that or 2001 in Yokohama. And I make the you know the John Engineer Task Force to establish. This was in Yokohama. This was an ICANN meeting or this was an ITF meeting? Oh sorry you're right. ITF meeting. Yeah. ITF meeting. Yeah. And so we do that in there. After that they run the meeting every quarter very intensely. Yes. And then eventually you know they go to the ITF to bring the IDN as I've seen. Yes. And when we're talking about how to bring the IDN into the ICANN we have a policy issue happen. And Kornishi and the JET people asked me how to approach. And there's a coming back. It's interesting also related to ICANN. It's the ICANN meeting in Melbourne. I talked to the John Kansing is a Yokohama friend. I talked to the John Kansing said John how can we resolve it. And John said okay I set up a meeting with you and Vincent and three of us we sit together to talk about how to bring the IDN policy into the ICANN. Yeah. I still remember Vincent asked me first say why we need a non-ESCII. Really? Yes. In Melbourne meeting and John Kansing actually is then next to us you know. So and I explained to them and I also explained to him to say this is a public interest you know. And then of course always John Kansing help. Then to become Vince it is a good time to bring policy discussion in ICANN. So that is how they did happen. IDN of course spans many many scripts languages and so forth. And so this is the the northern northern Asia I guess or northeastern Asia. I know a little but I don't know everything about this. Underneath all of this was Unicode. Yeah. And we're talking about a portion of the Unicode table. Yes. Is that right? Yes. And the IDN is the mapping from Unicode into the normal ASCII because that's the way the DNS was built. That mapping I'm not sure I know the full history of it but I maybe I'm wrong. But I think it went through some multiple stages. Oh yeah. Actually one of most interesting during the developments is I don't want to name the person's name. One of the people in Europe he said we don't want the two-by-code. We just want the seven bits. Yes. You know and he even complained say if any two bytes send it to me I will treat as junk. But somehow even the European they accept now. So it's interesting. You are right actually in the very early day we are fighting from seven bits to the two bytes because the Unicode is cannot be triggered by seven bits and for the two bytes at the very beginning we have some questions about for example like email. Some of the people cannot recognize the two bytes of the email address. So they argue for a while really very long time several stages to go through. The way it is today there's a quite sophisticated encoding and I remember when I was introduced to that I was quite impressed that first of all with the quality because it was relatively short very efficient and I was also impressed because having spent a lot of time in the ITF processes and working with people I was I didn't think that something of that complexity even though it was absolutely right could be sold through the social processes in the ITF and I thought that was a big one. Yeah that's true actually when the idea in the ITF is going to be formal I still remember the idea of some people against that. Yeah. Because of the first version of our idea we put a table into the DNS and many engineers in the ITF don't like that they don't think you should put a table into the DNS. So the second version is being proved you don't need a table in there so you write this several stage but one thing unfortunately didn't happen actually after idea in the IFC John Cleansing he recommended go further to do the directory services. Unfortunately those are engineers after four years fighting they exhausted they don't want to continue to do that. If we keep following the John Cleansing suggestion from the IDN IFC go to the directory service I think the idea would be much easier than we are facing today but too bad because you need the resources you need an engineer commitment. So I want to just make a note that the IDN story and some more details is something that we may want to follow up on another time and the other is you mentioned John Cleansing who is another one of the old timers who's been around forever that we should definitely grab hold of and listen to him for a while. Yes. No question about that. Is there more you want to say about IDNs or should we go on to something? We can move to the IDN or APNIC or the IDN structure or something like that. Talk about that. Okay I can talk about one of the history interesting for all of us if you remember in the very beginning the IDN structure have a large before a large we tried to figure out how to get involved with our individual user. Yes. Participate in the IDN. You might be remember we go through the online voting. Yes. That is Andrew. Andrew put it up. Yes. And it's kind of interesting actually during that time when we are doing the voting I almost be a point from Asia Pacific region. Really? Because in the Asia Pacific region two person got a major vote. One is Kato-san. Remember Kato-san from Japan and another one is me. Our vote is about 45-55. So Kato-san fight to Taiwan and say go away do you allow me to be the board first and next time I can support you.  So I almost be like I can board much earlier in 2003 or 2004. Talk more now about the beginnings of ICANN and how you got involved in the APNIC and what the formative issues were. Where were the big question marks and. Actually in my personal case I can talk about APNIC also talking about CCTOD stuff because I involved both. You know at the time I was kind of representing the TWNIC also participating in APNIC. So I think in the early day for example 1999 and to the ICANN Berlin meeting in Germany. We have a serious discussion about the charging model. You know how the IRR pay for ICANN, how the CCTOD pay money to ICANN, how to establish the relationship between the CCTOD and ICANN and also the APNIC. So I think that is for APNIC point of view I think you might know that at the very first time the IRR talking about how we can establish the relationship with ICANN. Should we sign a contract with ICANN one by one or altogether it's one institution. Yes. So you know eventually it's go to the NL. We set up the kind of paper company and now put all the fire together as a single window to talk to the ICANN. So that is I think we spent almost two or three years quite a long time talking about serious talking about this stuff. Another one is the CCTOD is another big issues. I remember in the I can probably meet him also in the Germany we the CCTOD person squeezing in the very tiny norm really tiny. I remember more than half of the people have no chair really you have to stand and some of people actually stand outside of the door and let the door open and they can shout it inside you know because a norm just too tiny and that is a talking about many models for example first how to build a legal relations second how to charge and some people will say based on the registration some people say no we don't want to do that way and some people say we want to sign a legal contracts but some people say no CCTOD is sovereignty we not belong to ICANN you know so in the Bering and after several meetings it's really a lot of debate and even until four or five years after it's no unique or consensus as you know. When was the Berlin meeting? Berlin meeting I think it's 2001 I think 2000 or 2001 very very early first time and I still remember the hotel is a luxury hotel but noom is so tiny you know. This business of the relationship with ICANN and charging and so forth persists even to this day yes now the other thing that is even more important than the charging is the authority yes and you mentioned sovereignty which is a big word and even today that's not yeah rfc 1591 was attempted to set some of this that predates all this right that goes back earlier yes I don't remember exactly but John Postel was part of that so it was before then sorry so it'd be very interesting to hear what the different points of view are of course ICANN was at that by that time running the IANA function and so every CCTOD is dependent upon and had to work with ICANN if it wanted to change to its entry into the root zone and so there was a certain amount of leverage to be honest that ICANN could try to exert and yet at the same time ICANN was a young organization and it wasn't clear what the rules were yeah actually in a very early day you you know that the CCTOD is a very diverse for example in the very beginning before the ICANN and the early four or five years before ICANN the CCTOD in the very early day actually running by academic including the TATJP including the TACIEN including the TATIDARU including even the TATAU yes you know and at that time many of the CCTOD manager we don't think we belong to government and even in Japan the same thing in Japan in the very beginning as you know the JUMBRAI or later on the JP but later on they find it or the CCTOD actually can generate the income by themselves so the Japan I think in the early of the 1990 maybe 2000 they decided to separate the JAPANIC and the JBIS yes the reason is that JUMBRAI say JBIS you can make money but JABANIC is not so they separated although the JABANIC is still a major shareholder of the JBIS in Taiwan we're talking about that but eventually we didn't happen and when we're talking about how to develop in the relationship with ICANN I think you remember in the very very first relationship if I remember correctly it's Australian Australian sign the three parties contracts the government Australian NIC and ICANN and JBIS and TWNIC follow it I see and as you know the CNIC didn't sign the contract the CNIC only agree is have some kind of memorandum yeah because they insist there's sovereignty yeah and particularly CNIC is a belong to academic cynical it's part of government are structures so even today as you mentioned the CCTOD is not the single entity right you know some of them still commercial some of them still NGO some of them his government party so he's quite diverse very very interesting what happened what's your recollection of what happened with the idea of the CCTOD's paying money to ICANN well I think there's a couple of things first of all I think these are difficulties if the people claim the CCTOD is solving the issue well of course the CCTOD manager for their personal interests they don't want to pay any money yeah you know why I want to pay them yeah and particularly the major argument is for example the DNS of the CCTOD running by CCTOD organization itself and but I think the most critical part for me most important government issue between the CCTOD also the ICANN we should talking about how we can have a consistent consistent policy between the GTLD and CCTOD regarding for the dominant operations for example if we say the red cloth should be reserved as IBR it's only apply on the G right or we should apply on the CC also but it seems like it's very difficult to push the CC to follow it two reasons I believe my personal point of view of course if you ask my personal opinion I really suggest should be consistent yes between the G and the CC right but it's difficult is first of all CC continue to claim their sovereignty the second problem the difficulty is not all the CCTOD participate in the ICANN meeting right because if you look at the CCTOD how many of them how many of them is joining the CCNSO yes so I think the difficult part for the CCTOD is they're claiming about the sovereignty the second of all I think the problem is the CCTOD is not all of them is in the CCNSO but for the consistent and reasonable the policy should be consistent yes no matter G or CC and if I remember I say that before I was a board member and also after the board member you might be remembering Nairobi I can no I think it's a IGF Nairobi meeting when we talk with NDI Larry I said the important thing for ICANN to be grow as mature we should invite as many as possible government into our gig yeah we also need to invite as many as possible of the CCTOD into the CCNSO yes without they participate into the ICANN structures we cannot claim we are global we are worldwide right and I'm very happy I'm very happy after Nairobi till now we are 169 government into the gig 169 yeah if you remember in the Nairobi we are less than 80 yeah lovely lovely but if we compare with the CCNSO in Nairobi until now honest not much and more how many how many CCNSO I believe it's still less than 100 I see so I think it's very important for the future progress of the ICANN is try our best to bring the CCTOD into the ICNSO in our operations so this reminds me of something that's been on my mind for a while ICANN was been pushing to get a lot of participation when I think about it from the from a CCTOD operator it's a big deal to go travel along just like so forth I fully agree and there are some very vibrant very robust regional groups center in Europe of course but all around the world the APTLD and other places what's your view about the relationship of those kinds of organizations versus ICANN in terms of serving the needs of the CCTOD community I think you're right APTLD and also like you know the you know the you know European I think the difference is in their organization like APTLD most of time they are sharing experience but they didn't really grow into the policy discussion at least as I know in APTLD in APTLD the meaning continue just sharing experience I actually talked to them many times usually you know improve from sharing experience go into the policy discussions if they are not going to the policy discussion then it's still very diverse yes or only independence yes and you still didn't see the past policy consistency particularly for the global internal governance yeah I don't think that is a right way you know of course that isn't my personal view that's what I want to hear I want to ask one more question related to the numbers which might be the beginning of a long discussion but we'll keep it very short you mentioned that there was a discussion about whether all of the RIRs would individually sign or whether they'd sign all together and out of that came the creation of the NRO now I heard one version of that story sitting where I was and I'm sure there's a different version of the story what was the nature of that decision from where you were sitting actually at the time I was at APTLD we're talking about live for several years how we develop in the relationship with ICANN and of course as you know I think for the RIR for a long time we are thinking about what is the relation we should develop with ICANN particularly as you know INA operations let me say at least once upon a time we're even talking about we can run a number by ourselves yes without INA but if you ask my personal opinion and what I suggest the APNIC what I suggest to the IR NRO my personal view is number and name should not separate my personal point my reason is this in the early day the number or name or internet we're still in the you know child childhood early days and we still have a lot big pressure from outside world if we don't unite if we don't work together corporation we are very easy to beat off yeah and I think I told them there will be tragedy for us for number for name and for the internet even for the end user yeah so even my voice is just one of them into the APNIC NRO so I suggest them we should try our best unless ICANN is not a good institution to work with yes and to be honest in some part of time we don't think ICANN is a good institution to work with you know you have a history you know some of the ICANN senior manager you know or some of the board member is very unfriendly but even in the case I still told them do our best to stay with if you remember I like to bring a short one minute to cover them yeah these ICANN meeting in Catagena if you remember in Catagena I bring the issue to the ICANN board that is my second board meeting in ICANN I told all ICANN board member I say if you are not going to the ASO meeting you are failed to be ICANN board yes then you bring a negative message to the number community although I do my best to ask all the number community all IRCO to come to the Catagena because before the Catagena in the Brussels meeting those IRCO say we don't want to that we don't want to come to ICANN meeting anymore I convince them to come so if you remember in Catagena how many I can board in ASO meeting 19 of them I'm happy that's good it's good yes thank you very much yep it's been a real pleasure and I'm sure there's more that we should talk about yeah all right lovely thank you very much thank you Chloe