Next, I would like to invite the open PLC group under the mentorship of Rajesh sir to proceed with their presentation. Hello and good afternoon everyone. Myself Alankrita and she is my friend Mansa. During this two crucial months of our internship we have worked on a project called open source PLC. Well, as soon as the word PLC comes to our mind the very thing which strikes my mind immediately is automation. Now, what is the need for automation? I am going to show you with a very simple example. We are coming to our room and we are turning on the lights and they are glowing and switching on the fans and it's moving. So, I think it's really comfortable for us to fill. But what will you fill if you are asked to turn it on and off after every 30 seconds interval? Will it be good? I don't think so. Actually we will appreciate it. It will be so irritating. Now think about the situation. If in industries the experiments like bottle filling and all these are to be conducted manually then it will be so much hectic. I think industries are going to be handicapped without automation nowadays. Next slide please. What is basically a PLC? A programmable logic controller is a device that automates machinery in factories and workplaces. It's a more generic and robust version of the well-known microcontrollers in use. That is basically what is a PLC. But believe me, before coming here I just heard about PLC but I could never think of something called open source PLC. Now, after working here for two months, I can believe that something as simple and as dynamic as a simple microcontroller based PLC is possible. And depending upon that also we can implement experiments and large scale experiments like elevator, car parking, everything. So that I could understand after working here for two months only. Otherwise it would be quite impossible for me to understand that something as simple and as dynamic as an open source PLC based on a simple ATMAGA 16 microcontroller that we have built is possible. And as you can see here we have the prototype also. We'll be showing the simple demos also just at the last part of our presentation. So before that I would like to hand over the mic to my teammate Mansa. She will explain all the technical details, what are the challenges we have faced and all these things and what are the solutions we came up with. She will elaborate all the things over two months. Good evening everyone. I hope all of you are interested. Okay, so before going to the technical details, I know that you all are very well versed with the idea of open source, right? So I'd like you to know that there's something called open source hardware also there along with your open source software which you all heard of, right? So the first question that comes over to you is why would you actually need an open source version for a PLC, right? So basically the main concern was these ITI colleges and the polytechnic ones don't basically have this PLC setup. These PLC setups are really huge and they control devices that run on really high voltages like around 230 volts or probably any kind of voltages. So the main problem is this is actually a subject which is taught, okay? But the students don't really have a setup to work on. They really learn just the theory and nothing else. But you would have all heard of this fact that you will always understand better if you do it practically rather than doing it on just a screen or learning it all by yourself, right? So what was the idea for an open source hardware implementation for this? Okay, so how we went about doing the project was such. Firstly, we had to come up with a controller which supported a lot of IOs. This was because probably if you have a huge setup, you would want a lot more number of IOs than you would think of. Then we had to think about the flashing method that is putting the hex file onto the code. Thinking about that, the ISPs that are the in-system programmers, I won't go into the details but I won't bore you off with the technical aspects. But yeah, there were a lot many ideas for that. So we had to stick to the idea which was the best one and the cheapest one so that it can be incorporated into a very small budget. And yes, the mechanical setups were a major task involved in this. We had to show the implementation in the real time. Alright, so yeah, the major task was to understand the IC and how we would be programming it. So you guys are very well versed with the terminals that you use on Linux, right? So we use the same terminal and there's this thing called AVR Doot. Don't laugh on the name but this is the thing which is used to flash your AVRs or pick controllers. So this is our first prototype that we built. We would proudly call it version 1.0. Okay, you can see those two DB9 connectors there. One is for the UART and the other one is for programming. Over there, the black thing, the straight one, that's again for programming it faster. Then you can see the IC there, that's AdMega16AIC, that's Max232 for the UART. And that's the power supply. Okay, so for the software part, we actually came across this software called LDMicro which easily incorporates these ladders which are used to understand, which is basically one of the logics which is used to a program of PLC. It's more or less like the digital logics that you all might have heard of, right? There are a lot more logics that are incorporated but LDMicro supports ladder logic, which is easy to understand. So we stuck to that. And the best part in LDMicro is it generates the hex file directly. So you need not do a manual intervention in between. You just compile it and you get a hex file for that. All right. So coming to the challenges faced, basically there's a very little amount of documentation or something very substantial to think about when it comes to programming using this terminal thing that I told you right now that's called AVR Dood. So we couldn't basically find a lot of documentation on that. So we had to spend a lot of time understanding how that IC would respond to that commands written on the terminal. So basically what we wanted was such a screen. All right. You can see those loading things and all that. But what we always got was such a thing. Device not responding and all that. So it was very, you know, disappointing and hard for us to digest the fact that we did so much work and it's not working, it's not working. But finally when you see that screen which I showed you, you feel really happy that it's working finally. Oh yeah. Coming to the cost and the feasibility of the project that we, the board that we made, we actually designed the whole board using some help also as in we had to come across all these ISPs also and select the best one as I told you earlier. So when we calculated the cost, it came out to be exactly to be precise. It was 380 rupees. So I would say less than 400 rupees for that. That is a much larger improvement over a PLC which would cost about 15,000 rupees. So these polytechnic colleges which I talked about can easily incorporate such a development board. But you would again ask me what's the difference between an Arduino and say this, right? Arduino firstly has lesser IOs. Secondly, Arduino is a more of a microcontroller aspect of this thing. This thing that we made has relay circuits and other things which can be used for these setups which require PLCs. Arduino can be used, yes of course. But you would know that an Arduino would cost about 1,500 rupees if I'm not wrong and our whole setup would come in that much. So I guess if you have something which is as good as that an Arduino basically and you can buy a setup within that much amount I think I would be really happy with that, right? So yeah, the one which we made right now has about 12 plus experiments and I told you 1,500 rupees is the cost. So I guess like if the project that we've incorporated in this are basically the ones that are really essential and required to understand a PLC. So we've tried to incorporate whatever's there. You have a UART function also. Say you want it, you can incorporate that also. Next comes LD MicroAnnet interface. As I already explained, it's a really easy interface. You can really get through it. It's like a cakewalk basically. It's really easy to understand. And yeah, it helps us also. It generates the experts so we needn't worry so much. And yes, while we were doing it, we went about documenting it really properly. This was because when we were doing it, we found it really difficult to actually understand all the concepts. So we were like, if we are going to give it to someone, we better document it properly so that it doesn't become a lot of trouble for someone else to understand that. Okay, again the challenges that we faced. As I told you, at Mega 16, no proper programming ideas are present online. Then phishing up the best solution, the cheapest one. Then incorporating the major functions that are required. Then protection circuits. Obviously protection circuits are really necessary because if you say short or you invert the terminals, you might end up frying up your controller. You would not want to do that. Then designing the board and the policies. So these were the technical aspects. Then mechanical issues. We basically, before starting this, we just worked with the motors without the tension and that conveyor belt. We found, okay, this is really simple. But that setup itself took days together. And trust me, we took two days to figure out what is going wrong and what's not right. So yes, mechanical issues are always there. And yes, technical issues, obviously, we had to do this thing called fuse setting, which is actually done to change the way a controller behaves. So if you do something wrong in that, you might end up losing your controller. It will never respond until and unless you provide such a thing. So we ended up losing three of our lovely controllers in that way. And yeah, these are the photos of the setups that we did. And we would want to proceed with the demo. Thank you all. Yeah, we'll proceed with the demo. It's making some noise. I'm sorry for that. But let it be. I hope it works. So this is our setup for an elevator system. So I don't know if you guys can see it, but there's something like this over here which would move. I hope it works. So if I press this button, you can see, this is like a person standing outside the lift. And these black tiny things that you can see are called limit switches. Now I pressed from outside that I want the lift to come here. So the lift came here. Now say I press, I get inside the lift. I press this G. You can see this G. So I press this. It will go back to ground floor. If you would have come across this whole thing wrong with the setup, this always happens when we are doing some demo, right? It would never work when there's a demo. All right, it worked. This always happens. Everything will work perfectly fine. But the time of demo, that thing has to make noise. Everything has not got to work. All right, it's okay. I just wanted to give you a brief idea about it. So now say I press this. I hope it works. All right. Say I press two. Yes. Okay. So this was a small demo about the elevator system. So we have another setup which is basically a control loop. Okay. Basically there's a bulb. You guys want to see it? Cool. Would you guys mind waiting for two minutes? We need to just remove these setups and then do the wiring and all. So there's this bulb which heats up. There's a thermistor attached to it. I need to flash it, but I will flash it with a program which basically starts the fan once there's a temperature rise. It will maintain it within some temperature range. So wait for a second. All you guys are okay with the video which I took earlier. Okay. So you can see that bulb right there. There's this small black thing over there. That's the thermistor. So the bulb has turned on. Now it turned off. The fan has turned on. Yes. I'll do that in a while. Yes. So basically what we are trying to do is you guys might not have come across this, but it is something like a self-sustaining system. Basically what we are doing is this bulb heats up. There's a thermistor. A thermistor is like a resistor which changes its value over the rising temperature or a fall. So basically a thermistor is used to detect the variation in the temperature. Once the threshold is reached, we would... Once the threshold is reached, we would want the bulb to turn off and the fan to turn on so that we maintain the temperature at the same level. So this is something which is a self-sustaining system. Obviously you don't need a person to stand there and touch it or something. It's a self-automated system which you would probably see when you're working with PLCs. The other setup that we had done was a simple RG... I mean this traffic light thing. It's a simple thing, but yes. I mean to understand the concept, even such a small thing has the concept of counters and timers in it. So it helps you to understand the basics. This is a car parking system that we have. So basically when a car comes across the rail, the shaft gets up and then in some time it comes down. This is done using a stepper motor. So basically we did that. You can have the concept of limit switches and you know automation in that again. After this is done, yeah, I guess we are done with that. This is the same lifting that you saw. I press 2, it will go to floor 2. Now if I give a manual input over there, it comes to that door.  It goes down. You request it to come. It comes to the second door. You won't believe the ladder for this was around 20 rungs which was the maximum size of our code in this. The whole setup, the maximum amount of code was for this. I mean you can extend it to any other idea which you want. That's why we had 12 plus experiments. You can do it for two floors. You can do it for one floor. You can do it for a conveyor system also. So we have all those things incorporated in that. So I'd like to end it by thanking Karnan sir and Kozla sir. Firstly for Gling is the idea and the path to go across the project in itself. Then we would like to thank Rajesh sir for helping us, especially with the mechanical setup and all the other requirements. Then I'd like to thank my mentors, Niveditha ma'am and Akshay sir for constantly supporting us and helping us out of the project. Thank you so much.


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Hi everyone. Thank you for bearing with me. There was a problem. Alright, shall we begin with the word of prayer? I think those who are not muted, can you please mute? Because my voice is echoing. Alright, shall we begin with the word of prayer? Anyone can please leave. Just go ahead. Anybody can leave in prayer, please. Father God, we thank you. Bless you for this day. Father, we submit ourselves unto your loving and Lord. Help us to know what you are teaching us, Lord. And use it in our lives. In Jesus name we pray. Okay, is there any reason why it's echoing? Guys, is everyone out here? Because it's echoing for me. I don't know why that problem is coming. Okay, let's get into today's class. So last week we talked about the cross. We talked about the day of the throne and how the shadows of the cross, how the cross was fulfilled from the Old Testament. And we see it fulfilled in the New Year. So we thought the seed of the word, the first clothing became an apple and how the blood of Abel was calling out again the shadow of the cross. And Abraham and his sacrifice, we looked at the Passover Lamb and when Moses came out of the desert, the rock which Moses struck again pointing to Jesus and the rock which he spoke to pointing to Jesus. And then we also looked at the levitical offerings. So the levitical offerings, every offering was pointing to Jesus Christ. Then we also looked at the day of the throne. That one day when the high priest will go into the Holy of Holies, take the blood of the ram or the bull and he would go into the Holy of Holies and he would pour out that blood on the altar as a remission of the sins, of the entire mission of Israel. Then we also looked at the serpent in the wilderness, right? And how, hold on this, okay? So we looked at the serpent in the wilderness and how that again pointed to Jesus Christ. Finally, we also looked at the one with a lot of verses, Bible verses, where he hangs on a tree fulfilling the prophecies, right? So I'm sure each one of us are learning this. Even in the Old Testament and Christology, we see that there are many portraits of the Old Testament pointing to Jesus Christ. So if you read the book of Exodus, if you read the book of Leviticus, all those Levitical offerings, the sin offering, the guilt offering, the peace offering, the pain offering, all those offerings and a lot of the things that they did in the Old Testament were all pointing to Jesus Christ, right? So we looked at that last week, Shadows of the Cross. Of course, you'll learn more in detail in the course of Christology. But now let's get into the next chapter, which is the Cross in Prophecy. We saw the Shadows of the Cross. We saw that the Cross was already, you know, God had already planned it in the Old Testament from the beginning of time. Jesus, when he came into this world, he knew that one day he will, you know, go to the Cross. That's his final destination. He knew it. But let's look at the Cross in Prophecy. And the Cross is mentioned also, all through the Old Testament. Let's read these verses now. I encourage each one of us, right? Let's not waste time because you know that this is recorded and it goes into the e-learning. So whenever there's dead air, it doesn't sound nice, right? So please just begin to start reading. The moment I give the verse, maybe one of you can please read, right? So it says here, Acts 13, 33. Maybe one of us can please read Acts 13, 33. Acts chapter 13 and verse 33. Yes. One of us can read please.  As it is also written in the second Psalm, you are my son. Today I have begotten you. Yeah. So he says that God has already appointed it and he says that you are my son. Today I have begotten you. Right? Let's see the next one. They divide my garments, Psalms 22, 16 through 18. It's there on your notes. Go ahead and read any one of us. For dogs have surrounded me, the congregation of the wicked has enclosed me. They pierce my hands and my feet. I can count all my booms. They look and stare at me. They divide my garments among them and from my clothing, they cast lots. Right. So we see here in Psalms 22, which was hundreds of years before Jesus. David under the anointing of the Holy Spirit is writing this. For dogs have surrounded me, the congregation of the wicked has enclosed me. They pierced my hands and my feet. Look at how accurate that prophecy is. I can count all my booms. They look and stare at me. Right. Now we'll also talk about what the cross is, what happens physically. It was the most excruciating kind of death. The word excruciating came from the word crucifixion. It's derived from that word. When you have a certain kind of pain and that pain is unbearable, it's called excruciating pain. It comes out from that word. So Jesus was physically in excruciating pain. History says that when he was crucified, he had already been beaten with those 40 lashes. History says that the bones in his body could be seen. His blood was constantly dripping out. How do we also know this? Because when the soldier pierced his side, what happened? Blood and water came out. So there's no more blood left. Every ounce of blood from Jesus's body was gone. What happens when blood goes out of our body? The muscles tighten up and it tears and so the bones can be seen. And verse 18, again, accurate prophecy. They divide my garments among them and my clothing, they cast lots. Did this happen? Yes. Remember the soldiers? What did they do? This is a fine cloth. This is a fine material. We can take it into the wasting. We can take it to the market and sell it. So they cast lots. Among maybe three or four of us, let's see who will get this piece of cloth. And they cast lots for his clothes. This prophecy, 400 years, 500 odd years before Jesus Christ was born. How did this happen? Through the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Look at the next one. Again, very, very accurate prophecy. Not one of his bones is broken. Let's read Psalms 34 and verse 20. It's there on your notes. Psalms 24 and verse... Go ahead. He guards all his bones. Not one of them is broken. Yes. So on the cross, we also know that Jesus, not even a bone was broken. Usually, I think I've mentioned this before, during a time of crucifixion, what the Romans would do is, when a person is being crucified, and sometimes they've not been beaten, they've not been scourged or that. So it is just crucified. So the death takes longer time than what happened to Jesus. Initially, for Jesus, it was let's bruise him, let's beat him, give him those lashes and send him away. That's what Pilate wanted to do. And so they really beat him and they scourged his body. They used those weapons that initially... The Romans, what they would do is, they would get these claws of birds. And they would clip those, tie those claws at the end of the ropes. So when they strike, the claws will literally hang on to the skin and they will pull out the skin. So it was not just beating with a stick, but it was these tools that were used. And here, people who are crucified, they would take time. Sometimes it would be four hours, five hours, because it's a slow and a painful death. But what they would do is, when they wouldn't let the sun set, and the sun is setting and the man on the cross is still alive, they would just break their bones so that that would facilitate a faster death. But this is not what happened in Jesus' case. Even before they could break any bone, Jesus looked up to the heavens and said, into the hands, I command my spirit. Now, what is that again fulfilling prophecy? Now, did you ever think of this? When you go through the Old Testament, when God initiated those sacrifices and the Levitical offerings, He tells something very interesting to Moses. He says, and to the people of Israel, He says, when you take the lamb, take a lamb without defect. Not a lamb which eyes is not, one eye can't be seen, or a lamb that one hand is not moving, or a lamb that is... Usually what happens is they want to get rid of those. So I might as well give it for an offering. But God says, take a lamb without defect, a healthy lamb. Take that lamb without defect and offer that as a sacrifice. And when we see it in the New Testament, the Lord Jesus was a lamb without defect. So that is why we see that this prophecy is so small. Maybe it's not a very important part. It directs, it shows that the Holy Spirit speaking to the prophets of the Old brought it in such accuracy of what is going to happen. Let's read this. There will be fierce witnesses. Psalms 35 and verse 11. Let's read that. Psalms 35 and verse 11. Fierce witnesses rise up. They ask me things that I do not know. Right. Thank you. Now, fierce witnesses rise up and they ask me things that I do not know. So when you look at the cross, right? And when you look at what happened before the cross, what happened before the cross? So Jesus went to trial, right? And he stood in front of pipe trees, Pharisees, and they asked him questions. Is it on, sorry, light? They asked him questions. Who are you and what are you doing? Right? Why is it that you are going and preaching about this? Why are you talking about this? Why are you doing these miracles? They're asking him why, right? And fierce witnesses stood against him. Meaning what? When he stood in front of the people, one, there were Pharisees and Sadducees who said, hey, he is demonically possessed. Another person says he's out of his mind. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Another one says he's a person who's just stirring up a crowd, just doing all these miracles, but he's stirring up a crowd. Now, fierce witnesses stood against him. And all through, every time he was witnessing, fierce witnesses standing against him. Let's read this. Galatians chapter 3 was 13 and 14. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, Courage this everyone who hangs on the tree, that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Yeah, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. The Lord Jesus took the shame on the cross, becoming as one who is cursed for us, so that we, you and I can receive the full blessings of the cross. The blessings of Abraham, that is righteousness by faith, friendship with God, victory over our enemies and prosperity in the land. We see that all of this is something that the Lord Jesus did for us. Now, every time we think about the cross, every time we look at the cross, it is something that should really encourage us and say, God, we thank you for what you have done for us. Thank you for the cross. Thank you for paying the price all through from the Old Testament. The people were living in sin. People were living in that, you know, from the time the people came out of Egypt. We see that the people of Israel were going up and down. There was never a time, you know, they were, I wouldn't say never a time, but during the time of David, there was a season when they were truly worshiped and they were truly living a life that was true to God. But again, there was no fullness that you and I have today. But Hebrews chapter 11 talks about the heroes of faith. And all these people, Abraham, Daniel, Moses, Joseph, Hebrews 11 talks about that list of heroes of faith. And he says, all of them were of the Old Covenant. But now we are of the New Covenant. A covenant so great, a covenant so strong. Second Corinthians 8 and verse 9. Let's read that, please. Second Corinthians 8 and 9. Let's go ahead. Second Corinthians chapter 8 and verse 9. For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sins He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich. So we can become rich because of what He did on the cross. Through His poverty. We're not talking about physical richness. We know that. We're talking about a spiritual aspect. Christ became sin for us so that we can become the righteousness of God. Christ became for us so that we can become rich in God. So there was this complete reversal. And the book of Romans talks about it very powerfully. It says, the first Adam and the last Adam. The first Adam was tempted in all ways, but he fell. But the last Adam again was tempted in all ways, yet he overcame. It was the same enemy. It was the same kind of temptations. The first Adam was born of God. The second Adam was born of God. And we see those similarities. But the first Adam caused a fall. But the second Adam reversed that fall. Chirah, did you raise your hand? Do you have any question? Chirah, did you raise your hand? Hello. Yes, Pastor. Yes, go ahead, Chirah. Yeah, Pastor, just now you told, Christ became poor for us to become us rich, right? Yes. In which perspective you're telling Christ to become poor for us so we have to become rich? No, it's not we have to become rich. We are rich. That's what I was saying, Chirah. It was not about the physical richness. It's not about getting more money. It's not about the money aspect, right?  There was a separation of God and, you know, Jesus is triune, right? He is part of the Trinity. Now, when he was on the cross, there was a separation. Something that he did not understand. Something that he, you know, he was with God. John chapter 1 says, in the beginning was a word. The word was with God and the word was God, right? So what happened was in this Trinity, on the cross, God imputed all the sins and there was this brief separation, right? And that separation was being poor in the spirit, right? You know, you say, when we say poor, we are not talking about the physical fullness, right? He became poor for us so that we might become rich in the blessings of God, right? He took up the sin, making him, you know, making him the unrighteousness. But with that, we become the righteousness, right? So it's basically, for example, somebody, you know, we look at the whole aspect of making atonement for, or the word atonement also means substitution, right? Making atonement for means somebody else is coming and taking our place where we had to be. The whole aspect, you know, of talking about the poor so that we can become rich was in the spiritual aspect, right? Of course, we're not looking at, okay, Jesus took up our sins. It's not like he was saying, okay, now I'm separated from the Father.  We know what happens, right? So Jesus says, God into your hands I command my spirit and He won the victory, right? But for that victory, He had to become poor. He had to take on that sin, right? That's why He says, Father, why have you forsaken me? More than the physical pain was the separation from this trinity, separation from the Father. It's like the Father saying, I can't do anything now because all the sins are upon you right now. So you have to bear that sin. And the judgment of God came on Jesus because of, you know, what Jesus did on the cross. So He became poor on the cross. Now after that, because of the victory, you and I, when we believe we will become rich in God, the richness of His grace, the richness of His blessing, the richness of His power, His anointing comes upon us, right? Chirah, I hope that answers your question. So it's not the physical richness, but it's in the spirit. Yes, Pastor, thank you, Pastor. Nina John asks, can we also say He made Himself of no reputation taking the form of a born servant? In this way, He became poor for us. Yeah, right. So He took on what we were supposed to take on. So in a broader sense, there's so many things that He took on. The whole aspect of the punishment that we had to take on, He took it up, making Him poor. But He did that so that we can become rich. And when we read the book of Romans, Romans 8 talks about the whole reversal, so we can gain more understanding from that. Right. Finally, let's read Acts chapter 5 and verse 41. Acts 5 and verse 41. So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. Yeah. Now this is after the Pentecost and the Apostles are baptized in the Holy Spirit. What does it say? Can you read that again, please? Acts 5 and verse 41. Just read that again, please. So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. They were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. Now imagine this, right? The Lord Jesus took up our shame. He could bear such a shame for us. Now the Apostles are glad that they have been chosen and been called worthy to take up shame for the name of Jesus Christ. Right. Now just picture this. These are the same Apostles who were fearful, worried about what their future holds. Now they are saying, hey, they went from the council glad because they were counted worthy to suffer shame for the sake of Jesus Christ. Now how did that happen? Because they completely understood what happened on the cross. The cross was a place of shame. If you read about the cross, history says that when a person is on the cross, even a beggar on the road has more value than a person on the cross. In those days lepers would be put away into another place, into another city. They wouldn't have the right to come into the city. Even if they do, they must cover themselves and if people get to know they would be stoned and beaten. But even the lepers had more value than a person who is dying on the cross. See how shameful that is. If they had to choose between a leper and a person dying on the cross, they would choose a leper. So shameful. If it was a choice between a beggar and a person dying on the cross, they would choose the beggar. Because on the cross, the person is no more a human being. The Roman history says that they would fill buckets of these dirty, stinking, the plain water and they would throw it on them. On those who were on the cross. As a sign of saying you are no longer a person. On the cross, the Roman way of crucifixion was that they were completely naked. It was not that they were wearing any garments. They were completely naked on the cross.  Jesus took out all of this shame for us. How much more must we be willing to do something or face shame for His sake? I am not saying that we have to face shame. Of course, God has also given us authority. We are who we are. We are Christians.  What I am trying to say is that there will be places. Many of us are here in church and Bible college. Nobody is going to say that things are going to happen. What about in your workplace? If we go to work, if we are in regular secular college, some of us may plan to study. Some of us in our neighborhood, living around the neighborhood, people may ridicule and mock at us. These guys are Christians. Sundays they only go to church. They do something there. They talk about the Holy Spirit. They talk about this. They talk about that. They don't drink. They don't smoke. They don't know how to have fun. People will ridicule and mock. It may be a shame for us. But always remember when these things happen, the enemy brings these thoughts. The enemy says, why do you have to live in this shame?  Do what everyone else is doing. You have the right to enjoy. You and I can look at the cross and say, if the Lord Jesus has paid such a high price, such a shame that he took up for us, how much more should I be willing to take up this little shame for his sake? This way, we are honouring the Lord Jesus. We are honouring what he did on the cross. All the Apostle talks about it. He says, after becoming believers, if we turn away from him and continue to sin, there is no more sacrifice that is required. I think more is done, can be done. Everything is just going to be... Our lives are going to just turn the other way. Basically, he is saying, if you have tasted the goodness of God, what the Lord Jesus has done for you and you still push him away, we still turn away, there is nothing more that Jesus can do because he has done everything else. But we can only be expectant of a harsh judgment for our future. I just want to encourage us, even before we take up a break, remember that the Lord Jesus has paid a price, each one of us. We may be paying a price in small ways. God may tell us to sacrifice a few things in our life, maybe sacrifice our time, sacrifice our efforts, give more into being with him, his presence. Call us to sacrifice. I'll respond, Sharika. Yes, I will do it because you did for me. You paid the price for me. Now, I was reading this book. They shared this and then we'll take a break. I'm reading this book and such a wonderful book. It was talking about the power of the victory that Jesus did for us on the cross. The writer mentions, he says, even if Jesus has to do it all over again for one person living in this entire world. Now, just picture this. One person in the entire world that's living, that one person that's living in sin.  Can you imagine that picture that he has for us? We thank God that he doesn't have to do that. He doesn't have to do that anymore because the price was paid once and for all. The writer in Hebrew says, when he ascended, he ascended on high and there is no other name on heaven and earth but at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow, every tongue will confess that he alone is God. That is such a powerful experience for us. We look at the cross and prophecy. In the book of Hebrews, they also say, that the Lord Jesus Himself says it, what the prophets wrote about, the desire to see what you all are seeing but those who were there listening to it did not understand. They didn't understand what Jesus was talking about because for them, Jesus was just another man walking about. When you read even the book of Mark, it's so wonderful because the Pharisees in Galilee were saying, hey, this Jesus of Nazareth, we have seen him. We've seen him as a young boy. We've seen him working, we've seen him walking about here. How did he get this knowledge and this wisdom? One, two, and he's claiming he's the Messiah. That's a big claim to make. I think in Mark 4 it says, we know him. It was not like Jesus was hiding and suddenly from somewhere he came. We know him. He's the carpenter's son. We know his brothers. We know his sisters. We know him. We've seen him. He's telling he's the Messiah. Oh, it was a big claim. They could not understand because they looked at it in the natural. The natural is Jesus.  Probably the disciples also didn't understand but they only understood it later. So you and I have such a great of blessing that we can look to the cross anytime, wherever we are, whatever place in life we are at, we can always go back to the cross because the price was free. He became a sacrifice for us. So we'll stop here. Since there's a problem with the recording, so what I thought was we will stop here. Just use this next hour to study yourself and we'll come back next week and we will continue with chapter. In this chapter, we'll continue with this chapter and then we'll get into the chapter 11. Can somebody please close in prayer? Shall we close in prayer? Father God, thank you Lord. Thank you for the cross Lord. Father, you gave everything for us Lord so that we can live today in peace, Lord God Almighty. Father, the sacrifice that you have done for us. Father, we can't even imagine Lord God Almighty. Father, you had us in your mind Lord.  Father, as we learn Lord from your word Lord and through these classes whatever that you have taught us help us Lord to remember that Lord to bring to our mind every moment of our lives Lord because you have redeemed us by your precious blood Lord. Almighty God help each of us Lord. Each of us are so precious to you Father God and wherever that you have placed us Lord Father in that place help us to glorify you Lord by our thoughts, by our actions but whatever that is what we can pour out for you Lord God Almighty help each of us Lord to be a powerful witness Lord in our thought word and deeds Lord so that we can serve you wholeheartedly Lord and be the person that you have called us to be and always Lord be in connection with you Father God because only in you we have the victory Lord help each of us to live the lives Lord in Jesus mighty matchless name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much Jackman. Thank you guys. Sorry about all the glitches initially hopefully I can get that resolved and next class we can start off without any problems. Thank you so much. Please use this next hour to just read and study and have a great week ahead. God bless.


Assalamu alaikum peace and blessings of Allah be upon you all welcome to the holy land of Karbala from the area between the holy shrines of Imam Hussain and Abu al-Fadr al-Abbas peace and blessings be upon them welcome to your life show welcome to Karbala now my dear viewers as you know this show is your life platform to deliver your salutations your prayers supplications and tajat to the holy imam and his brother Abu al-Fadr al-Abbas brothers and sisters please join us through the different platforms of social media through facebook twitter instagram and of course youtube and of course you can call us for free on whatsapp now i turn your attention to the information about how to get in touch with us through the social media and a short break so stay tuned the sisters back to you from the area between the holy shrines of Imam Hussain and his brother Abu al-Fadr al-Abbas peace and blessings be upon them now before i begin with reading your names and conveying your salams and salutations i would love to describe to you the general atmosphere in the area between the holy shrines of Imam Hussain and his brother Abu al-Fadr al-Abbas peace and blessings be upon them and of course the areas neighboring the holy shrines in Karbala the general atmosphere at the moment is that we have dozens of thousands of pilgrims walking around the holy shrines to perform the pilgrimage ritual since we are going towards the end of the holy month of ramadan and yesterday marked the last friday night in the holy month of ramadan so it is a very special night where people tend to do special prayers and supplications and d'amal and of course i'm sure that you must have done that in your places in your islamic centers hussainiyat and of course your masajid now i begin with the the names i can see that we have received many comments on facebook we have the first of which from sister anam zahra so we have here sister anam zahra which appears to be an Arabic comment sister anam zahra says as-salamu alayka ya aba abdillah wa ala al-arwaha al-lati halat bifinaik alayka minni salamullahi abadam ma baqiyat wa baqiyat laylu wa al-nahar wa laj'alahu allahu aakhir al-ahd minni li ziyaratikum as-salamu ala al-hussain wa ala ali ibn al-hussain wa ala ulad al-hussain wa ala as-shaab al-hussain wa ala kulli man mat ala rahli al-hussain we also have sister al-vina chotri so have here al-vina sister al-vina chotri says salam ya maula hussain alayhi salam salam ya maula hasan please make dua for me so that i can get accepted into medical school this year and that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala helps me make my deen and amal stronger also please pray so that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala sends help to all the in the innocent people suffering in war zones inshallah sister your name has been written in my paper that the paper that would be delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain and of course by the blessings of the imam and his brother the domes the minirates and the peace of paradise to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala you will get accepted in the medical school and of course we always remember our brothers and the war zones our oppressed brothers in the different spots and countries around the world we always remember them in our du'a of course in our salawat also we have sister alina sayyida alina abbas bukhari so here we have sayyida alina abbas bukhari sayyida alina abbas says salam brothers convey my salutations to maula hussain alayhi salam and maula abbas alayhi salam and pray so that i can visit karbala soon inshallah sayyida alina abbas bukhari and family fiza hayda sakina hayda effa taher and taher aslam of course sister inshallah by the blessings of the ahlul bayt alayhim salam inshallah he will get accepted by the holy imam and you will have the privilege to be here in the holy land of karbala to visit the holy shrines of imam hussain and his brother abbas peace be upon them we have also sister sayyida aruj fatima sayyida aruj fatima says salam ya maula hussain ya abbas ya ali akbar ya ali azgar habib namudahar and all shuhada accept my salam a rude and call asfaw ziyara and call asfaw ziyara salam from my parents fiddah hussain fakhir fakhira and from all family and friends so we have here fiddah hussain fakhira and family and friends inshallah sister your salutations will be delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain and inshallah you'll be accepted in the holy land of karbala we also uh sister we also have sister leila haydar sister leila haydar says uh salam alaykum please send my salutations to abba abdillah alayhi salam and hadrat abbas alayhi salam please pray for my family's good health and well being so we have here sister leila haydar and family and that i visit the holy shrine soon leila from australia inshallah sister you will be granted the permission and privilege to be in the holy land of karbala to perform the ziyara rituals in the holy shrines of imam hussain and his brother abul fadar abbas peace be upon them we also have brother agha ali hasnain so we have here agha ali hasnain brother agha ali hasnain says agha ali hasnain and entire family and of course agha rafi mahdi and family agha rafi and family we also have brother shahinaz jive roge brother shahinaz jive roge we also have brother montazar montazar al assadi sorry montazar al saad brother montazar says my salam to imam hussain and imam abul fadar abbas may Allah bless all muslims around the world uh from the iraq bagdad inshallah brother your name will be delivered to the holy shrine and may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless the entire muslim umma with peace and tranquility we also have brother farida farooq brother farida farooq says my salam to imam al hussain and we also have sister zahra risvi sister zahra risvi says as-salamu alaykum salutations from sayyid afsar hussain rabab fatima mehreen risvi mahdi abbas and also says please pray that we are granted the visitation to the holy land of karbala may Allah hasten the re-appearance of the awaited saviour and she also says brother i have a special request my graduation results are due today evening please mention my name and your prayers it is a big day for me may i qualify with a good percentage inshallah please pray thank you inshallah sister you will be mentioned in my prayers and of course the brothers around me who are listening to me right now and may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala with the blessings of the ehl al bayt alayhim salam grant you a quite good percentage in your degree and of course since you have mentioned the hastening of the re-appearance of the master of our time his majesty imam al mahdi may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala hasten his re-appearance let's read together the of course we have brother ali brother ali shizad of course i believe we have a live footage from the holy shrine of emir al mu'mineen alayhi salam you see now as i said yesterday or the past night was a very special night due to it was the final friday night in the holy month of ramadan and cheers from all around iraq influx to the holy shrines in iraq mealy imam ali holy shrine imam hussein holy shrine and alabas holy shrine and of course the holy shrine in bagdad and samarra to perform the special amal and special prayers and salutations and supplications to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala on this very special day so we have brother ali shizad says salam brother Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless you and imam hussein tv team always my salams to aba abdillah al hussein and double fadr al abbas please make dua for ali abbas hamed so we have here brother ali abbas hamed hussein and all believers and believers please recite al fatiha for all believers inshallah brother now as my brother ali shizad requested we recite surat al fatiha together al fatiha and last salam to our times of imam al mahdi may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala hasten his reappearance thank you brother for this lovely comment we i believe that we are going towards a short break with live footages from the holy shrines in karbala and najaf so stay tuned my brothers and sisters and sisters back to you from the area between the holy shrines of imam hussein and his brother abal fadr al abbas from the holy land of karbala at the moment as i see now the sun rises over the dawn of the loyal brother abul fadr al abbas peace and blessings be upon him and as my brother hussein al sukhni always say at the moment the sun rises over the moon but as usual the moon happened to glitter even more than the sun itself brothers and sisters to clarify more on this as you see now the silhouette picture is the holy shrine of abul fadr al abbas peace be upon him and the clear image is the holy dawn of imam hussein because the sun happens to rise over the dawn of abul fadr al abbas peace and blessings be upon him now as you know today is the last friday of ramadan and of course there are thousands of people who are flocking to the holy land of samarra departing from the holy land of karbala in a trip called uh inshallah that trip will reach the holy land of samarra safely to perform the pilgrimage in al askariyayn holy shrine of course the trip is organized by the office of the grand ayatullah say sadaq al husayni ash-shirazi and our brother hussein al sukhni is on that trip to bring us uh coverage about the different details about the different activities what happens there and how do they do uh things and how do our brothers and sisters in the trip are doing uh doing their their pilgrimage inshallah so uh by tomorrow inshallah we will have that coverage and we will show it to you in our live show now back to your names on facebook we have uh brother farida farooq says please recite du'a al faraj as you wish my brother we also have uh sister batul zahra sister batul zahra mentioned sayada batul zahra from toronto please pray for my health and also that imam grant me permission to visit his shrine uh soon salam ya husayn salam ya abel fadal abbas alayhi salam so we have here sister batul zahra we also have brother anwar sayid brother anwar sayid says salam maula husayn alayhi salam salam maula abbas alayhi salam maula i want to come back to your shrine with family maula please call us again inshallah by the blessings of the ahlul bayt alayhi salam you will be granted the privilege and permission to be in the holy land of karbala alongside your family uh to uh to perform the pilgrimage rituals uh in the holy land of karbala and in the holy shrines of karbala and inshallah the holy shrines of ibraq i believe we have uh many comments to continue with we have also sister anam zahra sister anam zahra says salutations from tasmina batul tasmina batul sayida sunnila faraj abbas qutsiya batul shahista batul nawazish ali ali raza and family shafqat ali and family please pray for my parents health inshallah by the blessings of the ahlul bayt and in particular the ill one of karbala your parents will be granted a good health and don't forget to recite the blessed surah from the holy Qur'an uh sorry the blessed ayah from the holy Qur'an amma yujibul muftara ila da'a wa yukshufu su please recite that all the time for it is a very blessed uh ayah in uh in matters of health we have here also brother mj ashek brother mj ashek says salam to all brother inshallah brother your salam will be delivered to the holy shrine brothers and sisters i leave you now with the live footages from the holy land of karbala and of course from the holy shrine of amir al-mumineen ali ibn abi talib ali salam so please pour out your heart and say your hajad to the holy imams and of course feel yourself in the holy land of karbala so stay tuned brothers and sisters brothers and sisters back to you from the area between the holy shrines from the holy land of karbala and back to your comments names and of course salutations and du'ats written on facebook i have here sister anam zahra again brother please says brother please pray that i visit karbala with my family this arba'im may Allah remove our worries and guide us to the right path inshallah you will be granted the permission and privileged to be in the holy land of karbala to perform the holy pilgrimage of arba'im alongside your family and may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala by the blessings of the ahl al-bayt alayhim salam remove your worries and guide you to the right path sister sahar azhar sister sahar azhar says brother please pray that i visit karbala with my family this apologies sister sahar azhar says please convey my salam to maula hussain and maula abbas as and do du'a for me and my family so we have here sister sahar azhar and family inshallah sister your salutations will be conveyed to the holy shrine of imam hussain and his brother abufad al-abbas peace and blessings be upon them sayada sahajida zaydi sayada sahajida zaydi sorry says sayada shahrabani shahrabanu musvi sayid askari musvi sayid mahdi musvi sarwar rizvi zaynab rizvi zahra rizvi muhammad rizvi batool zahra please pray for our family lots jazakallah for doing a great job now and always thank you very much sister for this lovely encouragement inshallah the names are written and will be delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain peace and blessings be upon him we also have brother sayid kasm brother sayid kasm says salutations to imam hussain alayhi salam and hazrat abbas alayhi salam from sayid kasm raza so we have here kasm raza and mrs sayid kasm raza from germany so we have sayid kasm raza and family may we visit the shrine soon again i mean special prayers for offsprings and sustenance jazakallah inshallah by the blessings of the ahl al bayt alayhi salam you will be granted the privilege to be in the holy land of karbala and by the blessings of the ahl al bayt alayhi salam you will be on the right path and your family will will be fine we also have here brother hasan bilal haidari brother hasan bilal haidari says salam please please for me and my parents inshallah brother yo name and family will be delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain peace and blessings be upon them we have brother monzi merchant says salam to imam hussain alayhi salam on behalf of the merchant family sorry la lani family and park family inshallah brother the family's names mentioned will be written and delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain so we have here merchant family la lani family and park family another comment from uh sister sayida sagida zayzi zaydi says salam to you all doing this great job may Allah grant you good health and long life for what you are doing of course sister it is an honor to be here to provide you with this uh live ziyara uh to your homes she mentioned names again sayid abbas musvi sayida batul musvi uh sayid ali raza musvi sayid taqi musvi sayid masouma musvi from ashawa canada inshallah sister the names you mentioned will be delivered to the holy shrine of imam hussain peace and blessings be upon him uh brother muhammad ad jayzani says salamu alaykum sabah al khayr qaled nakum az ziyara wa du'a inshallah brother you will be always mentioned in our ziyara and du'a sister naja musil mani mentions naja musil mani latif and rami and fatima so we have here naja musil mani latif and rami and fatima sister naja also says salam imam hussain abul fadil i send my salam to you to use can i please help can you please help me know please naja from australia inshallah sister yo salam will be conveyed to the holy shrines of imam hussain and his brother abul fadil abbas peace and blessings be upon them we also have sister kulsoum juma sister kulsoum juma says please convey our salutations to the king of martyrs aba abdillah al hussain and his brother maulah abbas alayhi salam on this last friday of shah ramadan may Allah subhanahu wa accept all our du'a and hajjat amin may we get to visit may we get to visit again and again inshallah inshallah by the blessings of the ahl al bayt alayhim salam and as you see for those with hajjat for those with uh tribulations troubles calamities you have here now a live footage from the holy shrine from the darih of abul fadil abbas peace and blessings be upon him and as you see now thousands of the lovers are clinging to the to the holy grill to the holy darih of abul fadil abbas peace and blessings be upon him asking him for their hajjat and so are you brothers and sisters pour out your heart to abul fadil abbas and inshallah you will get your hajjat done we also have have here brother anwar sayyid brother anwar sayyid says mentions uh sayida moeen zahra says sayida moeen zahra says please maulah accept our salam and fulfill my daughter's wishes under blessings of ma'suma sakina bint al-hasan alayhim salam ameen inshallah by the blessings of the ahl al bayt alayhim salam and all the the holy shrines in iraq and syria and iran all the mu'mineen will get their hajjat and in particular as you see now this very lovely view you have on the screen uh it is the actual paradise so brothers and sisters pour out your hearts pour out your hajjat and inshallah you will get them as soon as possible we also have here uh brother gulam tahir brother gulam tahir says salam to imam hussain alayhim salam and maula abbas alayhim salam peace and blessings be upon them from my family in the united kingdom please bless us with health happiness and prosperity and with a visit to the holy land of karbala ameen inshallah brother gulam and of course his family uh by the blessings of the ahl al bayt alayhim salam your family will be granted with health happiness and prosperity and of course the permission to be in the holy land of karbala to perform the ziyara in the holy shrines of imam hussain and his brother abul fadal abbas peace and blessings be upon them we have another comment from sister birak hussain sister birak hussain says salamu alaykum from otawa canada we send our salams to our beloved abba abdallah imam hussain alayhim salam and his dear brother al-batal ab al-fadal abbas alayhim salam please remember us in your du'a as i'm praised near the imam with the following names alwiyya rasha al-hashimi so we have here alwiyya rasha al-hashimi hadji adnan allawi and sister sitarah may Allah grant shifa to them and all the mu'mineen in the name of marith karbala as-sajjar alayhi salam inshallah we get the blessings of ziyara face to face soon ya Allah inshallah by the blessings of the ahl al bayt your family and the names you mentioned will be granted good health and prosperity and of course you will by the blessings of the ahl al bayt be granted the privilege and permission to be in the holy land of karbala to perform the ziyara as you said face to face with the holy holy imam and his brother al-fadal abbas peace and blessings be upon them in the holy land of karbala brothers and sisters as we reach the end of our show for now thank you very much for watching and thank you very much for joining our show please don't forget to turn in daily in the holy month of ramadan and inshallah after the month of ramadan the show will continue on weekly basis thank you again for joining us


Okay, I think it's about time to get started. Welcome, everyone. I'm Cliff Lynch, the director of CNI, and you have arrived at one of the project briefings that's part of the Spring 2020 CNI virtual member meeting. We have two speakers today, Chris Prom and Sally DeBosch, who are going to address issues around the management of email archives. This is a subject that CNI has been very interested in for a long time, and I know many of our members are struggling with. It is a critical part of how we're going to maintain the raw materials that are going to be essential for doing future scholarship, and I'm delighted that we have this presentation today, giving us insights into the emerging best practices. We are going to have both presentations and then at the end of the second presentation, Diane Goldenberg Hart from CNI will materialize and moderate a Q&A session. There is a Q&A tool at the bottom of your screen, and you can use that to bring up a text box where you can type in questions for that question and answer session at any point during the presentation. So as you're listening and as questions occur to you, please feel free to put them in as you're thinking of them. And with that, I will just say thanks again for joining us. I will thank our presenters in advance for being willing to join us for this virtual session, and I will hand it off to Chris, who will give the first presentation. Thank you, Cliff, and thank you CNI for your support of the email archiving community, and as Cliff indicated, this is a challenge that many, many organizations face. What I would like to do is offer an update to the community and some activities that are taking place generally within the email archiving community, and then turn things over to Sally for a specific project update regarding the EPAD software tool, which is a critical tool and a critical project that's providing support for institutions that are looking to add email to their research collections, as Cliff said, really constituting the raw material of history moving forward. So this update and this briefing is really a follow on to work that was funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation and the Digital Preservation Coalition, which had sponsored a task force, which I had the pleasure of co-chairing with my colleague Kate Murray from the Library of Congress, and served with a group of other people to write a really wonderful and useful report published by Clear regarding the state of email archiving. The purpose of the report was really to lay out a framework for additional work that needed to be done in the community, also provided some workflow and tool options, but the main focus really was on the recommendations and laying out the particular challenges that organizations face. So I would just like to briefly review what those challenges are and also some of the recommendations from the report because I will be reporting specifically on two additional pieces of follow on grant making activity that have been funded by the Mellon Foundation and there is other other work that's been you know pushed forward since the report as well. So the challenges should be familiar to many of us. Obviously there are many privacy and sensitivity concerns around email which manifest themselves as difficult appraisal and selection decisions both for archivists as well as for creators of material. Another challenge of course is the scale of email collections which can range from very small but more often than not are quite big, quite difficult to manage in organizations. Email also of course is a set of mixed contents which is something that archivists are very familiar with and that it includes attachments and links out to other services file sharing services. So taken as a whole there are a wide range of challenges to acquiring it and managing it. One of the problems that the report identified is that there some of the current formats that can be used to preserve email really illustrate a set of problems in and of themselves and that metadata may not be handed off from tool to tool proper properly. There's a question as to what should be the best format to archive email messages in. Most systems will export messages in a particular format such as PST or EML or inbox and you know the fact of the matter is that in most cases you end up trying to preserve a data object that's very email specific and may or may not play well with a repository service that is expecting something other than a massive inbox file to preserve. The report also identified problems with current workflows requiring complex tool chaining and what that's meant is that there's been relatively little uptake of email archiving tools in the broader community even leaving aside some of the issues of trust that can make it difficult to acquire the collections in the first place. The bottom line is that the report put forward a set of recommendations around two main areas. The first one was the continuation of community development and advocacy for email archiving laid out an agenda of lower barrier activities that could be taking place such as training and skills development demystifying email archiving. Some of this work has moved forward for instance the Society of American Archivists Now sponsors and email a one-day email workshop in essence there's a workshop for EPAD as well which I think Sally could probably touch on and then the report also identified potentially some higher impact activities to take place as well such as sustaining email archiving community beginning specification planning improving options for the use of PDF and improving standards documentations. A little bit of the hope of the report was that some of these would be funded with grant making activities in the future and in fact I'll be reviewing some of those in just a moment. The second set of recommendations from the report was around tool support testing and development and again the report broke things off into a set of lower barrier activities such as testing existing tools improving format identification and characterization and then higher impact activities that would require some level of external support or internal commitment such as improving tools for sensitivity review. Another area it was improving the use of machine learning and in helping to classify and identify emails that are sensitive. The Mellon Foundation has funded another report another project in this area which I know was also reported on at the CNI meeting this is the Ray Tom project and I believe you can find a copy of the video of the project briefing for that on the CNI website. Some of the other higher impact activities are still ones where we could see work emerge in the future and certainly I hope to see some work emerge in the future. What I'd like to do next is essentially review two projects that the University of Illinois is pushing forward as with support from the Mellon Foundation. The first is email archiving in PDF this is a relatively small scale project initially to explore email archiving using the PDF ecosystem of standards technologies and vendors. In short the project the formal project title is conversion criteria and requirements for archiving email into PDF containers and the project was really initiated because there's a strong desire and need particularly in government records context as well as some other ones to use PDF as a target preservation format partly because it's a readily available technological solution but also because there's a large standards and vendor ecosystem that supports PDF. The idea and thought was that with a little bit of additional development we could see much better more authentic emails preserved using PDF format. So you see here a list of individuals who are involved and I'm very happy to report that we have good industry representation and trade association representation with the PDF association and some of our colleagues in industry. So one of the questions is why PDF and essentially as I've already touched on there is an existing market and there are large numbers of tools that already support some level of conversion of email messages to PDF format. This can be as simple as printing a message from Outlook or what have you. The issue of course when you do that is a large percentage of the data in the email message in particular the header information as well as most of the other elements that make that PDF authentic are kind of lost in translation. So the hope is that by leveraging the vendor ecosystem that's part of the PDF and membership of the PDF association and developing a framework for how better conversion of PDF messages take place we could essentially improve existing practice. We do have a draft report which is available for comment. I'll refer to that in just a minute but just as a preview of that the report itself recommends that a set of requirements be placed into play for the archiving of email and PDF around the ways in which open standards are used the ways in which email messages are described captured and then presented. In the interest of time I'll leave this aside for now and just simply refer you to the report. We are currently at the step in this project where we're hoping to finalize the report between now and the end of June. So if you go to the URL listed here email archives taskforce.org you'll find a link to a Google document where you can offer comments and I would strongly encourage people to review the document and offer some comments on those. We'll be pushing out some more information about this through listservs and other channels in the next few days but you can see the basic report linked here. Another project I would like to announce is that the University of Illinois is sponsoring project email archives building capacity and community. To cut to the chase this is essentially a re-grant program. Seven hundred thousand dollars of money will be dispersed provided very graciously and generously by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation to essentially build up the email archiving community. So again I will simply refer you to the project website where you can read more about this. It's a four-year grant program funding projects of twenty five thousand to a hundred thousand dollars. Key facts about this we really are hoping to support projects that implement recommendations from the report but also realize that there are many new ideas for email archiving that are certainly very valid and should be supported as well. Would really like to focus on broadening the range of institutions that actively archive email. There is a strong awareness within the community and certainly my sense is that not that we have far fewer institutions processing and preserving email than we should currently and that this program is a way to help rectify that situation. So just very briefly I've listed a few project ideas here. Again a real focus here is on implementing processing workflows and developing communities of practice around those toolkits but again there are other project ideas as well that are worth considering. In the interest of time I'd like to turn things over to Sally who can tell you a little bit more about the work that's taking place with EPAD which is another project again that the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation is currently funding. Thank you Chris. Thank you everyone for joining today and thank you so much to the CNI organizer for making these virtual sessions possible. They've been really great so far. Okay let me get these slides up. So my name is Sally DeBush. I am the project manager for the EPAD project at Stanford University and EPAD is a free and open source software. It's developed by archivists and computer scientists using machine learning automated metadata extraction and natural language processing to support the review discovery and delivery of historic email collections. The project began in 2012 and eight years and six versions later we're here in 2020 on version 7.2 and we were very pleased and honored to receive a grant from the Andrew Mellon Foundation to pursue our work for this year so we started in January and will wrap up at the end of December. We've identified a few major development goals for this period so our first task is to redevelop the user interface for reviewing attachments and that's something that I'll give a quick demo on in a minute. We're also working to scale EPAD's capacity to handle large collections. We are exploring ideas around developing a multi-institutional email discovery platform and I will also get into more detail on that in this presentation. And finally we're beginning to translate the EPAD's user interface into different languages so we're starting with the discovery module and we're starting with French and German. So we have a few major collaborators during this project as well. We've been working closely with a team at Harvard as they are redeveloping their ease tool which a lot of you may be familiar with as an open source software. We have been working with them to make sure that our two projects are well aligned. And we've also been working with a team from the University of Manchester. They have been really deeply interested in how researchers access email collections and they independently of us actually developed a version of EPAD's delivery module that provides full text of email collections online so we've kind of joined forces with them this year to work on some of these ideas surrounding access to email. And finally sustainability is always a focus so especially in terms of ensuring that the software is well documented. EPAD is open source software so theoretically anyone with the knowledge of Java and email technologies should be able to work with the code but we're working to create more robust technical software to facilitate that work. And then also exploring possible future funding options. Okay so the attachment review let me go ahead and stop my slides and pull up EPAD. So this is the first version of this functionality so we're excited to kind of debut it for you all. This is the browse screen of the appraisal module EPAD and since this is the first version the old version of this feature is still here which for the purpose of this demo is kind of a good thing because I can show you the difference. So what I just did there is kind of the key to why we're redeveloping this. This particular feature relies on a Divi Flash and that will be deprecated by the end of the year. So redeveloping this feature was absolutely critical. So here you can see all of the attachments to emails that are images. I'm sorry we aren't seeing the demo on your screen. Oh okay I wonder if maybe you turn off the slides or close that window we might be able to see it. Okay one second let me try. Okay so you can see this window. I'm still seeing your slides in build mode. I'm seeing your web browser. Okay one second. How about now? I see an email archive of Jeb Bush. Yep okay we got it great. Okay so to backtrack just a second we're looking now at the current version of the image attachment viewer. This is the feature that relies on a Divi Flash. There's a separate viewer for all other file types. So they are visible here in this more straightforward list format. So now let me show you the new version. And in addition to adding some slightly different functionality we've also added a new way to access these attachments. So now there is a button at the top of the message screen for an attachment view. And when that's selected what you'll see are all the attachments that are attached to those files that you are those messages that you were looking at. And the main thing that you'll notice about this page is that we're not just seeing images and we're not just seeing other file types. We're seeing all file types represented together. So we've consolidated everything into one view. If we click on a preview of one of these attachments we'll see some metadata about that file. So we have the file name, the subject of the message that it's attached to, the sender, and the date that it was sent. We can link out to the specific message that this attachment is associated with. We can see it right here. And we can also download this specific file. We can also download the entire set of attachments for this group. And we have also retained that list view that we had previously. So you have the option to view attachments in either view. So this is the first version. Like I said, we're hoping to release a beta version that you'll be able to test out in the next few weeks. It may look slightly different. The look and feel might change, but all of the basic features are in place now. So we're really excited to get that out to you. So let me switch back to my slides. And hopefully this works. Can you see my slides now? No, can't see my slides. All right. Let me redo that. Okay. Okay, now? Yes. Great. Okay. Another major focus for this year is exploring ideas around a multi-institutional email discovery platform. So I'll give you a little bit of background on what I mean by that. E-pad currently has a module called the discovery module. Institutions can publish restricted metadata related to their collections online for researchers to access using this module. So they can publish information about collections similar to the front matter of a finding aid. And researchers can also access restricted information or redacted information about individual messages themselves. So you can see here you have information about the date, the sender, as well as all of the extracted entities of this message. So we believe that the discovery module is a really powerful tool both for institutions and for researchers. But so far only Stanford has implemented this site. There are some technical and resource kind of challenges in implementing it. And so recognizing that we've been thinking about how we can lower those barriers to implementation. The idea that we're working with this year is that we will move the data that we have displayed on our discovery site to AWS and develop an administrative interface that would allow other institutions to register, upload their collections and publish them to a shared discovery site. I think this would provide a lot of benefit both to these institutions as well as researchers as it would allow the institutions to publish their collections without the requirement of having a web server and someone to administer a web server and to researchers to be able to discover these collections in one aggregated spot and to do cross collection and cross institutional searching. I think that could be a very powerful tool for them. Since we see this as a community, a very community focused project, we absolutely believe that the development of this interface needs to be a community driven effort and ultimately would be administered by the community and supported by the community as well. So we plan to reach out to our users over this year to get their thoughts on what their requirements might be for this type of site and to try to build that consortium. So our goal for the end of the year is to have a proof of concept pilot site. We're looking for a few institutions that have or have processed email collections with E-pad that would be interested in publishing their metadata to a shared discovery platform. And with that I'll just say thank you again for attending and please reach out to us on any of these channels if you have any questions or would like to offer any ideas about some of the work that we're doing this year. So thanks everyone. Thank you so much. Sally, thank you Chris. Lots of interesting work being done in email preservation and archives and we really appreciate you coming to CNI to share some of the takeaways from your work with us and with our community. And I want to welcome all of our attendees. Thanks for taking time out of your day to join us. You have reached CNI's spring virtual meeting and we're so happy you could be here with us today. At this time I'd like to go ahead and open up the floor for questions. If you have any questions you'd like Sally or Chris to address please go ahead and type them in the Q&A box and I will read them aloud. And we do have a question now coming in from Courtney who first off thanks you both. And for Sally she asks is there any text for a call to interested pilot partners? We could share something out to the Texas Digital Library community to see partners. Hi Courtney, thank you. That's a wonderful offer. We do not have a text yet but I will definitely reach out to you with something like that soon. That's great yeah and so thank you for that question Courtney and thanks Sally and just as a reminder to our attendees if this would be a great opportunity to speak with Sally or Chris if you are interested in partnership opportunities if you've got projects like this underway or you're thinking about undertaking projects of this kind at your institution this is a great opportunity to chat with folks who have a lot of experience in that area. And I invite you to type your questions into the Q&A box. We also have the ability to unmute our attendees if you raise your virtual hand I can turn on your microphone and you can make a comment. You can ask your question live if you want to have a conversation with our presenters. This is a great opportunity to do that. And while we're waiting for questions again I just want to remind you that this webinar is brought to you as part of CNI's Spring 2020 virtual membership meeting and we will be holding this meeting through the end of May so there's an entire month of offerings yet to come and I'm just chatting out to you there the direct link to the meeting schedule so please take a look at that schedule and join us for more webinars. We have another one coming this afternoon after this email webinar from Lisa Hinchliffe and Christine Wolf Eisenberg on academic library response to COVID-19 designing and managing real-time data collection and dissemination that's part of the COVID-19 call for proposals that we put out while our meeting was already underway and that has generated a lot of interest already so join us for that it's at 2 30 Eastern time this afternoon. Sally, Chris, before I close the public portion of this session do you have any final thoughts on what you've talked about today to share with our attendees? Thanks Diane. I just would reiterate I'd be very happy to discuss potential project ideas with people as well. As I indicated we will have and in fact we have a call for proposals which is open and which will be blasting out over various listservs over the next day or two so when you get that and have a chance to look things through I'm very keen to speak informally with people about project ideas for email archiving certainly cross institutional partnerships would be great to see you know use an extension of existing tools new workflows really just happy to hear from people and talk with people about ideas to help this community move forward. Thanks Chris. And I'll just say as you get those announcements together we will share them out of course with the CNI community. Yeah, thank you Cliff. I really deeply appreciate that. So keep an eye on the CNI announced listserv and other listservs out there. So Sally, Chris, thank you so much for coming to CNI and sharing this with our community. Final comments? No I don't but thank you again for organizing these sessions. They've been great. Yeah thank you so much. Thank you. And I'm seeing lots of folks in the chat also echoing the thanks and appreciate the talk was very informative and I think with that I'm going to again thank our attendees, thank our presenters.