Keore, mae nestaigi kaunai i au ganau i girاio zoto?」 Aotelebi'i datumia kautama a algodosri tlirai ata garaiai pa mlea i datatiai. Here's a quick visualisation I've done of an Excel spreadsheet It's not actually that useful but it's something you'll be familiar with. What we'll be looking at today is some different ways to view that kind of data. So typically there's three steps that you'll go through. You'll often have to take your existing data and get it into some generic format. That might just be an Excel spreadsheet. You might then have to do some kind of cleanup or manipulation of that data to make it best suit the type of visualisation that you're wanting to do. Lastly, you bring it across to the tool that you've got and start analysing and viewing it. Excel, in fact, is one of the tools that you could use in that cleanup step. Here I've used a couple of basic Excel functions to split a text column into multiple columns and pull out just the year from the acquisition date column in this data. This data is actually all of the works acquired by Art Gallery of New South Wales in the 1990s. Google's Open Refines, another product you can use with that cleanup step. There's a website, The Programming Historian, that's written a really good blog post about how you can use Open Refine to clean up your data. So you might, for example, have map coordinates for some of your collection items. You could choose to import that data as a layer in Google Maps, which is a free option. And so here I've got some collection items. And in this case, this is helping us spot the trees in the collection. Or in this case, not a tree, a magnificent kiwi caught on its migration to its breeding grounds in the North Pacific Ocean. Now that actually seems a bit odd. So if I drill down into the data, I see it's merely a mistake of somebody putting in a latitude as just a positive number instead of negative for the southern hemisphere. So I can correct it and move that kiwi back to the steward island where he belongs. It also helps us see the forest. In this case, we're looking at all three quarters of a million specimens from Queensland Museum. And they've tapped into visualization tools that a bigger project is built. In this case, the Atlas of Living Australia. And we can immediately get a sense of where all of that collection was actually collected from. Google Analytics can let you check through data about visitors to your website and visualize that in different ways. And in fact, now Digital NZ is adding a similar matrix dashboard to give you basic stats about items you provide to them. So that's yet another incentive contributing to some of these bigger projects. Excel itself also has some basic tools, pivot tables and charts. And that can let you take this raw data and then build it into an interactive chart. So here, I've combined the media of those art gallery items with the period they were made. And I can drill down into an individual media, in this case, ceramic items. And I can see what periods they'd come from. So a lot of this particular collection comes from the Ming dynasty. There's a number of new tools that are evolving in this market. And one of those is IBM's product, Watson Analytics. So I can import that same data in here and it immediately gives me some information about the quality of it.  It doesn't quite say that, but it gives me some indication that in this case, my date field's pretty consistent. One clever thing that Watson Analytics does is it prompts you with questions that it thinks it can answer based on the data you've given it. But you can also prompt it with questions of your own following its standard syntax. So, for instance, I might take that same collection data and ask it to plot by year. And it's immediately apparent that 1990 was a big year for acquisitions in the Art Gallery of New South Wales. I might then break that down further, perhaps by departments within the museum. And I can see that in 1990, a large portion of that collection were from the Australian Art Department. In fact, if I drill down further, it's the acquisition of a large print collection. And so Watson provides a whole range of different ways of presenting that data so I can really easily see what portion of the collection is a particular media, for example. It lets you build interactive dashboards from these different chart tools. So I could have several different ways to drill down into that data. Unfortunately, it's only with the paid version you can then share those dashboards to other people. But you can download any of those charts in standard formats and you might, for instance, include it in an annual report. There are also some really simple tools. So this is the Wordle website. You can just paste in a whole block of text and it'll show you how popular each of those words are. And this is a whole set of museum mission statements that I copied and pasted. And we can see what kind of words people are repeatedly using in their mission statements. Everybody wants to inspire. Now, this last example is using Tableau Public. In this case, we're looking at which songwriters contributed over time to the different Beatles albums. And we can see George Harrison over time gradually growing in his contributions. Tableau is probably the most complex product that we've looked at, but it does produce some really beautiful visualisations. So I've put all of this up on Slide Share. There's links to all of the products that I've mentioned today. Thank you very much.


Hey guys, it's Julia and welcome back to my channel and for today's video I'm going to be doing my Kramathon TBR. I'm running from June 10th to the 17th. I was hosted by myself as well as Jay from The Awkward Bookworm, Dylan from Dylan the Reader 5, and Allie from Hardback Quarter. So we're all very excited to be hosting our second round as co-hosts with you guys. And yeah, let's get into my TBR and if you made a TBR, well, if you made a TBR, I've probably watched it. I watched a bunch of them this morning, but if you had a TBR, link it or tweet it to us. We would love to see them. I personally would and I'm sure the other hosts would as well. I have the reading challenges. I'll have my announcement video linked down below with all of that info. So first up here is a predicted 5 star read. I have Undead Girl Gang by Lily Anderson and this book I know is like a contemporary-ish style kind of book. It's also about witches and witchcraft and then it's a little bit about zombies and bringing someone's best friend back to life. It sounds like a really interesting book. This was on my Buzzwordathon TBR, but I didn't get to it. And it's actually not a bad thing because this was the Page Habit book. I got this in my Page Habit box, so now I get to read my annotated one. And I'm really excited. I really hope I enjoy it. Sounds right on my alley. What if your comfort zone kind of read? So for this, I have Binti and I cannot pronounce his author's name, but this is like a little sci-fi short. Is it a novella? I'm not exactly sure, but surviving this war gives of her people the wisdom of the universe. But first just to make sure she gets out alive. Something like that. It's like some sci-fi kind of little book. I've heard good things about it and I picked it up while I was in New York, so I want to get this one read. This is a book that's been on your TBR for a while, so for this, I'm going with Smoke by Ellen Hopkins. I read the first book in this series called Burned. These books deal with a lot of tough subject matter. And I can't really talk about what this one is about without spoiling you guys for the previous book, obviously. But Ellen Hopkins books always deal with tough topics and are written in verse. So I'm very, like, I've had this one for a bit now and I read Burned maybe five months ago. I do want to get to the sequel and the final book and it should be pretty quick as well because it's written in verse. It's an LGBTQIEP plus book. Owned Voices, etc. So depending on what you want to do for that. But for this, I picked up Every Hearted Doraway by Shonda McGuire. I did read this before and this is going to be my reread because I want to reread it for the companion and don them on the sticks and bones, which is on my TBR as well. This one's for, like, favorite color because I love, like, I know, like, gray and black aren't colors. They're shades but, like, I'm counting it anyways. So I'm hoping to reread this one and prep for this one. And they're both pretty tiny and I read this one the first time for Readathon anyways. So I know it's something I can get through. But these are these little books basically about these characters that can go through doors into other worlds. And what happens is when they all come back from where they, the place they knew, they all kind of meet up at this one point. It's a really hard book to describe but they all kind of get together after, like, their journeys and they're kind of all reflecting and, like, they all want to go back to where they were but they can't. So they all kind of have to cope with this new reality in a way.  And it's a really interesting read and I believe this one follows, like, the Jack and Jill in the book. I think, I think this follows them. Maybe, probably. So yes. Next is, like, poetry, manga, graphic novel, something like that. It's just something that's not, like, an actual novel. So for this I have Snot Girl. This is by Brian Leo Malley and Leslie Hung. And this is just, honestly, who is she? A fashion blogger living her best life. I picked this one up at BookCon and I got it signed. There's, like, a little card in here by the author. I have to, like, stick it in still. But the art style looks very, like, vibrant and pretty. And I'm very... Let me show you guys the art style. Looks very vibrant and pretty and I'm really interested to see how I like this one. I've heard really good things about it. For the last challenge is it's to read seven books. So I don't know if this is going to be that book because this, like, I hope to get through all of that but I don't know because this is, like, a very busy time of year. With school there's, like, exams coming and there's some other stuff going on as well. So we will see. But I ended up picking... For this one I have Saints and Misfits by SK Alley. All I know is this is about a Muslim teenager and it's about her struggles. That's all I really know. I've heard pretty good things about it and one of my close friends, like, in real life, suggested this to me and that I read it to get, like, another perspective. So I want to do that and I've been meaning to get to it. So if I don't get to it during this... If I don't get to it during this read-a-thon I hope to get to it eventually sometime soon, I hope. So there you guys have it. Those were the books that I hope to read for the Kramathon this coming week. I think if I get this up on time it should be either the day it starts or the day before. So let's hope. But thank you guys so much for watching. Again, let me know if you like this location. If you're participating, all that jazz. If you feel like it, make sure to like, subscribe, comment down below, whatever you want. Click the bell. Cool. And I'll see you guys all super soon with a new video. Bye.


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Yildus Lee, Mayor Twilliger. Oh, good morning, Your Honor. How are you this morning? Fine, thank you. Yildus Lee, Mayor... How's Mrs. Twilliger? Very well. Yildus Lee, Mayor... Yeah, how's your son? He's all right. Yildus Lee, Mayor... Yildus Lee, I thought I... Yeah, I haven't seen him around city hall lately. Fine, boy. Yildus Lee, let me finish. Stop asking about my family on city time. Oh, I beg your pardon, Your Honor. You wanted something? I'm going to see if you're in. Yes, indeed. Right on the job. I want to step across the hall to see you for a moment. Well, I'll be here. I'll be down. I'll be what?  I wonder why he's coming over here. He usually calls me into his office. Yeah, it could be. This is natural impatience. I'd better straighten up my desk. No, why don't I mess it up a little more? Look, busy. Yildus Lee? You're in here at my desk, Mr. Mayor. What's happened to your desk? Why don't you straighten it up? You're just getting around to that. Yildus Lee, I've always been very frank in my criticisms of my subordinates. Here it comes. What a difficult man. But I'm just as ready to pass along a compliment when I have the opportunity. Compliment?  Oh, no, no, no, no. I just came in to tell you we've had several letters from residents of that new Ferndale subdivision praising your work. Well, I spent a lot of time out there since we put in the water maintenance. It's paid off in goodwill toward the city. Nice. The people out there tell me that you followed through after the installation job to see if the department could be of any further service. Yeah. Oh, that's good work, Yildus Lee. These people are in the city limits. They're all voters. Hehehehe. Well, congratulations on a job well done. Yeah, thank you, sir. Goodbye, Yildus Lee. Goodbye. Oh, what a fine fellow. I feel so good I thought I'd take the rest of the day off. My, my. May I know about this? Well, in a way, he gave me the idea. He suggested you quit. Hehehehe. On the contrary, he just paid me a very high compliment. You don't change. Phoebe, do you know your water commissioner is beginning to get fan mail? Did you say fan mail or fan mail? You heard me. People are writing letters to the mayor complimenting me. Well, I don't think so. Somebody should say something nice about you. Well, the public is usually indifferent until a man is outstanding in his job. Yeah, this could be the beginning of a wave of public acclaim. I may be forced to move on to a bigger job. How's that? You remember the motto that's on the Water Department calendar this year? No, but I remember you're pretty girl, aren't you? Oh, my goodness. He was picking pitches. Phoebe, the important thing is what the motto said. You look at what you think is important, and I look at the pitch-picking pitches. Phoebe, listen to me. The motto says there is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. That could apply to me. Are you leaving on the outgoing tide? All right, have your fun. But I could be your senator someday. It's just possible I might use the Water Department as a springboard to the top. And just be sure it isn't a diving board to the bottom. Yes, yes. I'm a little skeptical about my political future, but some people just can't think big. Of course, everybody doesn't have as big a head as I have. Hello, everybody. I'm home. Is that important mail today, Bertie? Oh, yes. You've got to notice a parent-teacher's association. Oh, some very interesting letters have been coming to the city hall lately. People parented taxes? There were just complimentary letters sent to the mayor about me, Bertie. Ain't that nice. Hello, Leroy. Yes, Bertie, those letters inspire me to heed the call. Yes. What call? This just may be the year to make my big move. Where are we moving? Well, it isn't for me to say. That's up to the people. What people? There are some who'd like to see me out of the water department. I know that, but stick up your rights on it. Oh, my goodness. I mean, there are people who'd like to see me in some high political job. Yes. People who've indicated I'm ready for it. I'd like to quit school, too, but nobody's indicated I'm ready for it. Oh. Here's that TCA notice, Ms. Gill, please. Oh, thank you, Bertie. Let's see what the good old parent teacher has to say. How did Ms. Henshaw sign it? With love and kisses? That boy. Leroy, this isn't from the school principal. It's from the president of the PTA, Mrs. Ramsey Nicholson. Yeah? Yeah. Says there's a meeting at the PTA in the school auditorium next Friday night. What do you do with those meetings? Criticize us kids? Of course not. Ms. Gill, see they haven't been to one of their meetings in quite a while. Yeah, I know. Parents should pay more attention to these things. I see they don't even have a speaker for the meeting as yet. Nothing? Ms. Henshaw said last time they had the president of the airplane plant. He passed out samples. Airplanes? No, little models. Oh. You know, it might be an idea for me to arrange to speak at a PTA meeting. And pass around water? Leroy. I'm going to run for office. The people have to know who I am. Making speeches before little groups is grassroots politics. I plead, Ms. Gill, sleep seriously, Leroy. Yeah. Bye, George, when I go to Irene's tonight. I may just suggest that she submit my name to Mrs. Nicholson as the speaker for Friday. Why don't you?  You bet. I can speak on the subject of water. I can see the announcement. Speech tonight by big water wheel. I think about it. The more I realize I've outgrown the water department. And the important thing is I'm doing something about it. Because I don't have to tell Irene why I want to speak to the PTA.  Hello, Trockmorton. Hello, Irene. Let me take your hat. Yes, thank you. Right, George? Irene, you look lovelier all the time. Yeah, I don't know how you can run a school all day, come home and look like a leading lady at night. I have a secret, Trockmorton. Who? I use makeup. You could have fooled me. Yeah, I can't get over it. Pretty as a picture. Would you like to sit down, or do you just want to walk around the room admiring me? Yeah, I'll sit down and look. You know, I got a letter from the PTA today, Irene. Oh, yes, we're having a meeting Friday evening. Yes, and I notice you don't have a speaker yet. I wonder if I could help you out. You know a good speaker? Do I? Have you ever heard of that old spellbinder, Trockmorton P. Gillersley? Oh, I didn't know you specialized in forensics. Oh, I don't pretend to be an authority on forensics. I thought I'd talk about water. Oh, I see, yes. I thought you might suggest to Mrs. Ramsey Nicholson that the City Water Commissioner is available. Well, it's very nice of you to offer Trockmorton but why this sudden interest in public speaking? Well, confidentially, Irene. I've been encouraged by a few friends to consider running for office sooner or later. Oh, that's wonderful. What office are you seeking? Well, anything that pays more than the water department. But you're honest about it. Well, seriously, I've gone about as far as I can go in my job. I've been told I'm a good public servant and I'd like to show what I can do. Well, that's commendable, Trockmorton. Then you'll recommend me as a speaker to Mrs. Nicholson? I won't stick my neck out that far. I'll submit your name. Good. Because you might say a few nice things about me. Yes, now let's see. What could I say? Oh, come now. Can't you think of something? I could say you make nice speeches to girls. He takes me to nice places for dinner and you don't step on my toes often when we dance. Yay! People have been elected with fewer qualifications than that. I'm working like a charm. It's almost time for Mrs. Nicholson to drop in the office. Yeah, I guess she wants to discuss the PTA's speech because she doesn't know it's my own idea. Yeah, I'll just dig through the files here for that old speech I prepared for the Water Commissioner's Convention in Duluth. Oh, yeah, here it is. Yeah, water. What is it? Yeah, this would have made a good speech if they'd called on me. A darned barbershop quartet took up all the time. Mr. Gilda's sleeve, ugly. Oh, yes indeed. And you're Mrs. Ramsey Nicholson. I can see that.  Thank you. I only have a minute. Oh, I know you're busy with the PTA, you know. Yes, it's demanding but satisfying. Mr. Gilda's sleeve is frightfully late to engage a speaker, but I've heard that you'll be available Friday evening. Well, I haven't any idea where you heard that. But Friday night is. Oh, good. That's wonderful of you. You have a repertoire of speeches? Well, I assume you expect me to pick a subject on which I'm an authority. So I prepared a very informative address on water titled, Water. What is it? That sounds a little elementary, Mr. Gilda's sleeve. Well. Being such an authority, you must be familiar with the new scientific procedures associated with the production of water. Well, it's been hard to improve on rain. Now you've hit upon something. I am. I'm sure our group would be interested in hearing a treatise on artificially produced precipitation. Now, why don't you address us on cloud seeding with solid carbon dioxide? You with solid what? Dry ice. Oh, yes, of course. What do I know about cloud seeding? Well, thank you, Mr. Gilda's sleeve. I must go now. Goodbye. Goodbye, Mr. Nicholson. We'll be all ears Friday. I'm all ears now like a donkey. We'll be back in just a minute. How would all you ladies like to buy your nylon stockings at less than half price? Imagine first quality 60 gauge 15 to near nylons at less than half price. This is the remarkable offer crafts parquet margarine is now making. It's even more exciting than last year's offer. 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Well, that can happen. Mrs. P.B. maneuvered me into a subject I didn't know much about once. Oh? And I only had a two-word speech. I do. Well, I can't get by that easily. I have to talk about seeding clouds with dry ice. To make it rain? What else could it do? Well, in winter it might make it snow. P.B., you don't know any more about this than I do. No, I'm not trying to make a speech about it. Well, I have to think of something. Well, you have 24 hours and there's the library. You could do a little research. Say, you know, that's not a bad idea. That's right. Hi, Mr. P.B. Oh, no, no, Mr. Higgins. What can I do for you? Hello, hurry. Go ahead and wait on the man. Well, I finished with Mr. Goversley. He was just telling me about a speech he's making to the PTA. Oh, you must be the water commissioner. Yes, indeed. Higgins, you say? Don't believe I've met you. Well, I'm from the new Fernvale district. Well, I have a lot of friends out in that subdivision. Yeah? Some of them even wrote the mayor letters about me. Well, I threatened to, but didn't. What do you mean, Mr. Higgins? I did a good job out there. I even had the water turned on two days before anybody moved in. I wish you'd waited until I could get the faucets attached to my pipes. Didn't we check you turn on at the street? Well, all I know is I'm the only one in the subdivision with a swimming pool in the basement. Oh, yes, I remembered the case. It was just one of those things, Mr. Higgins. I hope you'll overlook it. Give me a package of gum, Mr. P.B. You will overlook the flooded basement. Won't you, Mr. Higgins? That'll be all, Mr. P.B. We pumped out the basement. Do you remember, Mr. Higgins? Put everything in apple pie order. Yes, Mr. P.B. Mr. Higgins? What are you going to talk about at the meeting? How to stoke a furnace in a canoe? I tried to make a friend out of him, P.B. Probably I should have offered him one of my cigars. No, no, I wouldn't do that.  What's his speech going to be about? He said something about seeding clouds. Yeah? He's talking about raising rain. Mr. Gillespie's reservoir must be mighty low if he's trying to talk the clouds out of their water. After all the research I've done, listen to this. Thank you, Mrs. Nicholson. Why you second her? Well, she'll introduce me. Friends and fellow members of the Summer Peel Parent Teachers Association. Tonight I'm to address you on the subject of inducing the surrender of suspended moisture with silver iodide and carbon dioxide. What do those words mean? I don't have to know that, but they sound good, don't they? George, the more I think of this speech, the more convinced I am the mayor should be there to hear it. Why don't you just be satisfied if you get by the PTA? My boy, the mayor could have a lot to do with my election to any office I may seek. Even his own? Well, I may just leapfrog over him to the state legislature. Yeah, him. I'll give the mayor a ring and invite him personally. You can sit on the rostrum with Mrs. Ramsey Nicholson. Mr. Mayor, I've been home. Oh, fine, sunbathing. No, no, no, I've been writing a speech for the PTA meeting tonight. Oh? They're all voters, you know. I'd like to extend you a special invitation, Your Honor. Oh, it's too bad I have a wonderful speech. Sorry. And you could sit on the speaker's rostrum. You bet. I'll see you then. Yes. Yes, Your Honor. Oh, my goodness.  Yes, indeed. Short to the point. Thank you.  Well, I called everybody I knew. I'm ready. And now, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to introduce our distinguished speaker for the evening. He is a person we all know and, of course, admire. A man who may someday sit in one of our higher public offices. That didn't hurt me a bit. Without further ado, I'm honored to present Mr. Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve, our water commissioner, who will talk to us about rain-making. Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Nicholson. Friends and fellow members of the Summerfield Parent and Teachers Association. Oh, I beg your pardon. And His Honor the Mayor. Thank you. From time immemorial, man has been monkeying with the weather. Of course, the only tried and true way to make it rain is to wash your car on Sunday morning. Tonight, friends, I'm going to address you on the subject of inducing the surrender of suspended moisture with silver iodide. There is much to be said on both sides about the subject of rain-making. You've heard the old saw. Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it. Your water commissioner wants to assure you that this is no longer true. At long last, we are doing something about it. Who knows? In the not too distant future, we may be able to turn it on and off in the sky the way we do in our home. I thank you. Croc Norton, that was a very intelligent state. Well, thank you, Irene. Yes, Gilda Sleeve, you surprised me. I was engrossed. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Gilda Sleeve, you were marvelous. Thank you, Mrs. Nicholson. They loved me. We prod right over the state legislature. The chair shares your reception of Mr. Gilda Sleeve's speech. His subject is so interesting that before we adjourn, I'm sure he'll be happy to answer any questions. I should have brought my books. I have a few questions I'd like to ask the commissioner. Uh-oh. That's Higgins. I didn't see him back there. Well, go right ahead. That's why Mr. Gilda Sleeve is here. Commissioner, you remember me?  Oh, yes, Mr. Higgins. You were kicking around a lot of big words in your speech, such as silver iodine. What is it? What is it? Well, that's a little hush-hush. We don't want everything we know to get out of the country, you know. You think it's something like uranium, eh? Well, I'm not saying. I see. I made a note of this, too, commissioner. You said something about the second law of thermodynamics. Now, what on earth is that? Well, Mr. Higgins, laws are to be obeyed, not questioned. Gilda Sleeve, this is embarrassing. He's a heckler, your honor. Well, give him some intelligent answers. Are you plopping here, Mr. Mayor? Me? Oh, no. He doesn't know the answers either. Yes, Mr. Higgins. Perhaps you can come down out of the clouds and answer a question closer to home. Are you elected or appointed? Well, the mayor appoints me. Oh-ho! What's that? In other words, if we don't re-elect the mayor next term... Where's the exit? We'll be back in just 30 seconds. Just a reminder about Parquet-Margeron's sensational new nylon stocking offer. With every pound of Kraft's Parquet you buy, you can order famous powers model nylons at less than half price. These new nylons are 60 gauge instead of 51 gauge, and 60 gauge are even more glamorous and longer wearing. 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in exceptions and and you know, the victoria talked about And so, you know, I just wanted to To kind of hold that and I think the other thing that is really critical and we'll think about timing especially given the later start except for girls hockey is To a certain extent, it's dependent on what everybody else does too, right? So if we're the only school that has says yes to any sport That's what probably is maybe they could practice but they're not playing any games against anyone, right? So that's not an option and that's sort of so, you know, my recommendation, you know On a broader scale is we don't always need to be the first out of the gate Especially because we with the exception of girls hockey However, you think about it that that one it will be potentially earlier But everybody else, you know, we have time we have till early january and not to feel like If you all need more time to discuss it or consider it or we need to get, you know Here what other communities are doing? I think you the nice thing about the later start is you have a little bit more time And I'm not trying to I know many families are anxious for this information I'm not at all trying to delay them knowing what we're doing But I also don't want the committee to feel unduly rushed to make a decision that may be undone by what other committees do too Ms. Seger Thank you. Ms. Stewart for the information Um, generally I I'm in support of the kids playing sports. I think it's it's a good thing for so many reasons right now um In the fall when we talked about volleyball Um remind me, I don't know if I'm remembering this correctly, but it was all outside The whole season we didn't want them playing in the gym. And so I think the thing that's Like generally I'm in support of all this my concern is with something like basketball Where we wouldn't have volleyball in the gym So would we you know now turn around and have basketball in the gym and think that's okay Especially with cases on the rise in our area. So I'm just wondering if if you have thoughts on That or maybe it's just waiting for the guidelines to come out. I don't know but that's a concern I've had in In thinking about all of this Yeah, I'll start if that's okay victoria and then you can jump in So I think one of the other challenges we had in the fall is we didn't have the air quality testing done On the gyms yet. So that's a really critical variable I'm not suggesting that the you know, any committee members should vote one way the other I think the indoor piece is certainly something to consider But we weren't in a place where we could certify that the gym was ready to be used Um, and what we found out more recently is it's not ready to be used and we're working on solutions So that wasn't in in place in the fall So, uh, you know in terms of the volleyball piece and and practicing and playing at home They were outside on site, but part of that was In my opinion was that we didn't have the data we needed to to share with you so that you could make a more informed judgment Mr. Yeah No, and just in addition to that our volleyball teams were traveling to other gyms as well So they were indoors playing at away teams, right, but they weren't playing Inside at home. So we just had to keep that in mind Um, obviously be tougher to play basketball and practice outdoors in the winter and then travel and go indoors But we just had to keep that in mind Thank you. Um, yeah, so thank you so much I'm you know, I really feel good about our decision to allow sports in the fall And I'm gonna be quite open right now And I'm feeling very very nervous about the idea of having sports In our current environment with cases rising so much. Um I'm particularly the indoor sports So I I guess one of my questions is, you know with football we we postponed that and so is there any reason I was looking at the list of sports that would be in the spring and again This is gonna I'm really glad that we are don't have to make this vote today because I think you know as with everything in the pandemic things are changing rapidly, but um What is the situation, you know, first off it will give us time to Fix whatever needs to be fixed in the gym to increase airflow, but um It would also give us time to see if we can get our cases under control Because there are two things that I'm concerned about one is that it's not just our community So Hampshire County could be doing well, but it's A lot of the teams you're talking about are outside of our county in hampton county Which is doing particularly poorly within our state right now and and that makes me nervous The other thing that's making me nervous even with the outdoor sports is you know, I was I was a varsity ski team member I loved it. I want to make that opportunity available for other kids in our community, but we drove on a bus that was very crowded for a good 30 to 45 minutes up to berkshire east so even though what's your outdoor and the ski environment I think it's fairly safe. It seems to me like the the inequalities we'd be reinforcing by allowing only the outdoor sports and then potentially requiring folks to Like how do you social distance on these charter bus? I don't know if it's still taking a charter bus, but when I was a kid, you know, we'd charter a bus that would go Maybe it's just the the five-star buses now. But anyway, I I could see like oh everybody gets their own ride, but again, that's creating all of this other inequality So so those are my concerns. So I guess one thing I would ask is Are we going to you know, I know people were canceling with us Last season because we were in protocol to red or is that something that we would potentially be doing especially With the sports where we have longer And then then what what are the ideas of mitigating? I know we have rules about The actual play of the sports are there rules about getting to say the ski resort where the kids are going to race and Assuming like are there any thoughts of kind of a plan to get kids outside and exercising in the event that we would vote? Not to allow indoor sports because I I think the exercise component the camaraderie that's building is really important But it just is feeling really unsafe to do these types of things indoors right now So sorry. That was a lot of questions Thanks I think you know one thing maybe you could talk about miss steward is the bus and how the bus Situation, you know worked in the fall and how might it work in the winter? Yeah, so I'm assuming that will we just keep following the desi guidelines that we've been following for the bus rides It's pretty clear on the buses, you know our bus drivers and facility department did a great job Marking where our students should be sitting Then do you have more to speak on that or do just okay? I just didn't know because that's I know you're in that department. Um So I would just say we'll continue to follow those guidelines with the travel, which is 23 kids on the bus Well and including their coach Whether we need to get more buses and parents and guardians who felt uncomfortable They did drive there. They were allowed to drive their student athletes um to these events if they chose to do so So that's always an option The windows are our kept open at all times. It's going to be a little chilly But they're on the slopes anyway, so I think they hopefully will have the right equipment to stay warm on the bus Mr. Harrington Yes, I didn't have anything to say about transportation dealing with that But I'll use that as a segue into my next question with um With with the sports like like hockey The girls will be traveling to springfield. I imagine to practice And then and then the boys team would travel up to greenfield. I assume We would use our transportation to do that like whether it's five star or in a house Is that sort of the planner? Typically they would just get their own transportation to practices. We don't give um transportation to practices. So Um, I've already spoke with the hockey coaches as well for the boys side as far as the girls go There's two student athletes that are registered right now to play with pope And they would normally just get their own transportation to practice so um I have a quick question and then um some thoughts Would there several of these sports also have jv? Which to some extent? Leads into the middle school too Would that would those be going forward as well or is that tbd?  So We would definitely have you know a tryout like normal and then the varsity team will be chosen Just because we have limited ice time Again amherst college normally gives us a lot of ice time and this year We just are limited with that space and area um as far as i'm trying to think of other teams basketball and girls basketball, they normally have jv programs as well. Um I mean there was less kids that showed up for the fall anyways as is so I can see jv teams being a little bit Small or maybe only having one boys jv team and if there is a girls for basketball having that as well Okay So I just had a couple observations. Um, I think one of the The biggest one um that would be helpful probably for for us as we consider this is that for most or many of these sports, um A lot of these kids are already playing these sports. Um on club teams And they're playing on teams with kids from multiple towns So they're not exclusive. They're not playing exclusively within amherst. They're not playing exclusively within hampshire county Um, both in terms of who's on their team and where they're practicing. So, you know Um as many of you know, but I will just full disclosure. I have a hockey player and I have a swimmer So the hockey player is you know, they're practicing at rinks. Um, all of the rinks that um is stewart named They're practicing in attending games there and playing teams that are coming from eastern mass Um all the time as well as across the the entire pioneer valley So that's happening right now And so many of these kids that are playing on these teams would also so when we think about co-op sports Those the the kids that are playing um co co-op are also playing with our amherst kids on these hockey teams as well So, um, they're already sort of exposed with each other Um, the other thing too is is some of the folks that in public comment these kids Um, because they're playing right now and they're they're already sort of traveling and exposing themselves to Um other athletes from um around our area. They're also very very used to the protocols Um, both from you know, whether it's the ice, um ice hockey getting dressed literally in the parking lot And no joke. Um, they are you know stripping down and it was it wasn't warm this weekend And and getting dressed and just walking and putting on their skates at the rink And the swimmers wearing their swimsuits to and from practice and just bundling in layers After practice and just walking straight to their cars to to leave Um swimmers are not have there's no meats right now. Um, or very few meats. There's they're doing virtual meats Um, as opposed to dual meats. So you're still within your own bubble when you're swimming races Um, but there are there are some that are happening. So I think you know, that's a really important consideration for us when we think about Safety is it's already happening and frankly most of those clubs will continue whether or not Um, whether or not there's high school sports Um, and as some parents have commented they feel that actually The work that um miss stewart and her coaching team and and the others and in sort of our league have been doing have been They feel safer in that environment than they do in some clubs Um, so I just put that out there as sort of something to keep in mind as we think about it. Um And and also sort of thinking about the case counts. Um, the when there's a when you know, I would I would expect that if there's if case counts go up And we're in the red that then Those those games wouldn't happen whether it's us in the red or the other town Um that we might be playing is in the red and that would be no different than what was in the fall And then the last thing too is just sort of thinking about whether or not other Towns or other schools in our league would be playing Um, I think one of the things we heard and and that pad let I look forward to go ahead and reading more of those Comments is that for many of the athletes, it's just the practice just having the practice and seeing their teammates Is is reward enough? And sure they would love to to play the games and have the competition But even if there isn't competition, I think they're getting so much value out of just practicing with each other That I would keep that in mind because I don't know what You know, whether we delay That that shoulder season Again, it's going to be dependent on whether other other teams go To the shoulder season as well.  Do we have the facilities and ability to To manage that and sort of present that is sort of where my my questions are heading So sorry for speaking a long time at miss miss dancer and then mr. Harrington Um, I'm going to second a lot of what Miss mcdonnell just said I have two grandsons who've been playing hockey since the fall And doing all the things that that she talked about I would just add Um When the the rinks were closed for two weeks so that everything could be Cleaned and the the new The the modifications for hockey Now require as as miss mcdonnell mentioned The players have to come in dressed that was not the case all this time that they've been playing And I also understand from one of my grandsons that referees have been giving penalties and disqualifications if If any player or coach Or team does not follow the guidelines. So they're very serious About making sure that the players are doing what they're supposed to be doing But the guidelines are going to be much more strict than they were this fall So, um, I just like to add that in Mr. Harrington Yeah, shout out to all my colleagues for setting me up for the uh with the segues here. This is awesome So I've somewhat of an anecdote And then a question Related to the anecdote. So so what what I've noticed My office is in the middle school. So We've seen that the middle school cross country team a lot and there's there's something that I've noticed In terms of like mass compliance and these sorts of things and that My in my observation they have been Probably the best behaved folks On our school property in terms of mass usage. So I was just kind of wondering like How did that look during the season for for our athletes how how difficult was it for um, you know, kind of enforcement I remember you said something about having potentially having monitors or someone there to assist with that and um I'm generally biased towards student athletes. I feel like there's like a different level of discipline And I was just wondering if that was like reflected in the fall And if I would kind of give us an idea of what the the winter would look like Yeah, I mean they did a phenomenal job.  Um but To be honest with you that wasn't a huge issue throughout the whole season. Um, we definitely had like ross going around our trainer reminding student athletes, um Some just needed a new mask. Uh, you know playing sports in a mask.  Um, we had plenty It was great. I think all the kids did a great job coaches as well They would be they're there to enforce rules as well. Um, and they did that Not many complaints The kids just want to play so They will do whatever it takes to play if you tell them they need to You know play defense in a mask skate in a mask. Um Unfortunately, you can't really swim in a mask. I mean, I guess you could but that'd be tough. Um They would do it though, you know, and it's just great to see The swimmers have their mask on right until the point that they get into the water Yeah, just imagine them diving into the water though with their mask on if they had something. Oh my gosh Miss kenny, um, I just wanted to say thank you so much for the fall season.  Like she wears it all the time, you know, like I think, um I think I think the kids need it for their physical health, but especially their mental health and the Not just like seeing other people but having that camaraderie with their teammates has been huge like the difference in the days between when They were practicing versus the days they were not practicing. It was you know A huge difference. So I I really appreciate, uh, the false the fall season and Looking forward to future Seasons. Oh my and my other question was, um, you know, most of these sports have been talked about at the high school level Will there be options for the middle schoolers? as well So this winter We are looking at so numbers the only reason why middle schoolers participated in certain sports in the winter were due to, um, low numbers So that would include this winter in particular, um swimming And There's one other oh girls basketball If we were looking at fielding a jv team, um, that's just another story. Um, just because we don't have enough girls to field The jv team other than that the waivers for like nordic We already meet that baseline number. So we technically wouldn't be approved for that waiver and using it So it wasn't really ever a middle school sport. So people get confused a little bit about that Yeah, so it wasn't a middle school sports. Just it's just a waiver. So then we can actually have enough to fill the team Yes, sorry. I just I'm not sure I'm understanding. So Yes, there already is a waiver. So yes, middle schoolers can be on the nordic team Or no, there's enough high schoolers that want to be nordic skiers. So no middle schoolers can participate Yeah, no Okay, I know Any other questions not seeing any okay So, um, I'm uh, I heard that we do have to move to a vote for girls hockey. Is that correct? Yep Yes the other option if the committee Doesn't feel comfortable yet voting is you know, you could schedule a meeting before between now and november 30th I'm not suggesting that you need to but I just reading facial expressions, um It's another option not that anyone wants another meeting perhaps, but um If people feel like they need more time. It's the 17th now. I know there's a holiday Uh that many people celebrate next week for not everyone, but it is a state and federal holiday so you couldn't meet on that day, but they're they're If if there were more time if people felt like they needed more time to consider it as an option Again, I'm not pushing that option. Just suggesting that it exists Mr. Demley I moved to approve girls hockey for the winter 2020 season second Um moved by demling seconded by kenny and we'll move to a roll call vote unless there's further discussion No, um, mr. Demling Demling I Mr. Harrington Harrington I miss kenny I miss lord Lord abstain Seeger Seeger abstain Miss spitzer Spitzer abstain Miss dancer Stancer I Mr. Sullivan Sullivan I and mcdonald I So the mashup Motion passes six, um six to zero with three abstentions Uh, okay, so the others will move. Uh, we'll come back again after um after the Thanksgiving break Great. Thank you very much. Let's do it. Thank you guys. Have a good night So now we'll circle back to item number 12. Um our high school graduation requirements for the class I believe it's the class of 2021 and beyond Correct. Yep Oh, sorry. No, no, please um, we discussed uh these, uh At our meeting last week the memo is in our packet again. Oh, thank you. Dr. Morris is going to display it for us to remind us Uh, I don't know if there's um, did you want to add anything dr. Morris? Um, no, there was you know, uh, basically discussion last time. There were no recommended changes. So, um, this is Exactly what you looked at. Um last week But uh, we would ask for a vote tonight because during and the vote will trigger other changes that need to occur at the high school Okay Is there any discussion? Seeing none, then um, I will move that we approve the proposed revised graduation requirements for Amherst High School beginning in with the class of 2021 Second Moved by mcdonald and seconded by stancer. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none. We'll move to a roll call vote Mr. Demling A Demling aye Mr. Harrington Aaron can I miss Kenny? Kenny aye Ms. Lord Lord aye Ms. Seeger Seeger aye Ms. Spitzer Spitzer aye Ms. Stancer Stancer aye Mr. Sullivan Sullivan aye And mcdonald aye the motion passes unanimously nine to zero Uh Mr. Demling seeing uh that you would just raise your hand. I'm gonna ask if you want to make a motion I was I was actually yawning, but perhaps it's related I moved to adjourn the regional school committee second Moved by Demling seconded by Harrington and there's no discussion. We'll move to uh roll call vote. Mr. Demling A Demling abstain Mr. Harrington Aaron can I Miss Kenny Penny aye Ms. Lord Lord aye Ms. Seeger Seeger aye Ms. Spitzer Spitzer aye Ms. Stancer Stancer aye and peter. I'm sorry you didn't sing your abstention Mr. Sullivan Sullivan aye Fan mcdonald aye the motion passes eight to zero with one abstention We are adjourned Thanks everyone Good night Margaret


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Hello, welcome to Jenkins documentation office hours today is March 28th, and this is the EU US edition today at this point in time We have myself Kevin Martens Mark wait, Bruno Vareshten and Sridhar civic umar is joining us as well so first things first with over the agenda check and see if anyone has any topics they'd like to add and Well, and then we'll get started. So For the agenda today, so we have the latest LTS release that happened last week We have the upcoming LTS release for this for April contributor spotlight update weekly release update Google summer of code notes Jenkins community awards update in the sense of What the next steps are what we're at with that Some notes on the version documentation for Jenkins that I owe The tutorial revamps to use Docker compose Adding sponsor attributions adding a sponsor attributions page some recent pull requests submitted by an user Python hub aka pseudo heads up shoe. So Thanks for that and some updates on a recent Suggestion comment that Gavin Mogan had posted in the docs getter channel Is there anything else I see marks putting a couple things on there as well So we've got that is there anything else that we want to add to the agenda or does that cover topics for what everyone has So, oh, it's already in tutorials revamp, isn't it Bruno the one that I was about to add which was Docker You're right. Monk Great. Okay. Yeah. That's the first point here. I think is discuss the goals the high-level goals and Next steps good. Okay, great. Okay Anything else we want to add to the agenda or does that cover everything? Okay, cool So first things first so LTS 2.4 40 point 2 was released last week on March 20th Everything went well. There was a live stream last week with Mark and Darren Pope to go over all the changes and that's always a The case for any LTS release and they're recorded and stored on the Jenkins YouTube channel. So Always available to watch after the fact as well And then so the next LTS release will be 2.4 40 point 3 that is currently scheduled for April 15th And Chris Stern has volunteered to be the release lead for that. Thanks to Chris for Signing on for that and being a release lead once again. So We'll have that we'll have the change log an upgraded guide in the coming weeks as a pull request for review and we'll adjust things from there and then Following this we're going to also be looking at the next LTS baseline selection So that will be a discussion in the coming weeks as well Next up the contributor spotlight was Updated this week Bruno Vrush, then's contributor spotlight page is now live We had a little bit of an extended break while I was out of office So it didn't get published on the regular two-week cadence, but we're back So we're just going to continue on for two weeks from here. So we're back on a regular schedule and We had I worked with Alyssa to make sure that the tweet and LinkedIn post went out at a more appropriate time for EU time zone So that we get max visibility on that So thanks to poor Bruno for Collaborating and participating in the contributor spotlight appreciate it I'm speaking from experience. I know how hard it is to have a spotlight on yourself sometimes So thank you for just being there for that Next up weekly 2.45 one was released this week there was a couple issues with the Initial build, but they were resolved. Thanks to Damian to Portell and his quick action So very much thanks to Damian and the info team as a whole for taking care of these and resolving any issues that we run into Something that we also added recently through the suggestion and work of Daniel Beck is that the changelogs all now have an Individual permalink for each one. So if we go to the Jenkins changelog You'll see this permalink to this entry and let me just expand Size this up a little bit. So this permalink to this entry is going to be a link just to that versions of changelog And it's the same case for the weekly changelog as well. So for two five two four five one which released this week There's that So thanks to Daniel Beck again for coming up with this and creating putting the work in to have this be an option now for people On the two point four five one release, I just wanted to note that this was an entry that was added after the fact So it's a note for the Debian and Ubuntu support it now Jenkins so the weekly two point four five one now requires Debian 10 and Ubuntu 20.04 as the minimum supported versions. This is the result of a packaging pull requests linked here and This will be part of the next LTS Release as well. So this will be part of that changelog and release Yeah, so Kevin you're okay if I spend a minute on that while you're there Yeah, please by all means I do want to go to the packaging pull request mark No, no, no just this this text is good enough just to be sure others who might view the recording understand The Jenkins project already does not support Debian 9 and does not support Ubuntu 18.04. So that's that's not a Change in the sense that Debian 9 is suddenly supported or was supported before this it was not however, non-support and known to not not work are two very different things and In the past we didn't take active measures to lock someone out of an unsupported platform And this was not intended to lock anyone out this change is intended to fix this problem that was making it difficult for Users on supported operating systems to make use of Unix domain sockets So in order to fix that we accepted that Users on these outdated platforms Won't be able to continue using the Jenkins package installer if they want to use Jenkins on those unsupported platforms They'll have to switch to use the war file or to manage the service them of some of themselves some other way That's all I had to say. Thanks Thank you very much Mark and if I recall the packaging pull request does go through a lot of that information as well If people want to read further and understand a little bit more in-depth about what that means. So it's always available, right? Thank you very much Next up the Google Summer of Code again, we're gearing up towards that. We've got 34 proposals that were submitted for review The applicants can have begun to submit to Google as of March 18th So that'll close in early April. So probably in the next couple weeks in that sense And mentors are reviewing and commenting on the draft proposals, which ideally would have been completed by midnight last night so more to come on that and then Deft proposals can still be submitted through the Google forum listed in the Gitter channel So that's available as well in the GSOC Gitter Bruno any other insights notes for GSOC? Yeah, I'm afraid the draft proposals. It's not possible to submit them anymore The forum has been closed now. The thing is potential contributors have to submit their work to the GSOC portal by April the second and Then mentors will be able to assess and grade the proposals Until the end of April, I guess.  Thank you so much. Really appreciate it that Bruno So next up Jenkins Community Awards. So the voting period has concluded. Thanks to everyone who participated either nominating or voting regardless of what you did really means a lot So the winners will be announced at CD con the week of April 15th in Seattle And so anyone who's one will be presented with the award there We'll have the Jenkins Awards and the CDF awards CDF community awards as a whole as well which include other projects and the CD foundation as a Whole thanks to all the voters Couldn't have got those votes couldn't it couldn't win anything without voting. So it's really important Next up the version documentation for Jenkins.io. So this has been an ongoing project as a result of Google summer of code 2023 thanks to both Chris Stern and Bandit Singh for their work on this It's been played a bit due to Azure cost savings measures that the infra team is currently working on They also have their hands full with a handful of other things that are just a little bit higher priority at the moment So we do have it. It's just a little bit of Lower priority at this point in time And the Jenkins blog was the most recent addition Yes, the blog has been moved from node to to the blog on the prototype site So that is going to be an update as well. That's coming with the version doc site. So I Don't know that there will be any Major changes to the content or anything like that. I think it's more just making sure that everything is a little bit more clear and what we're looking at so That's it, but that's a nice improvement to have and that's a good piece to have updated. So Really great there And then yeah, Bandit is the lead developer And is returning to Google summer code as a patent as a mentor, which is really exciting Chris Stern was the lead on that one originally when Google summer code was 2023 was in progress. So We've got really great folks on that and they've been working really really hard on this and diligently through exams and other commitments and everything else. So Just a lot of work and a lot of Patience on that is really appreciated. So thank you to both Chris and Vandy for all of that And there's further work to be done there. I'm still reviewing. We're so making sure that it's ready to go and then once we have The Azure cost savings in place once we have a better handle on some other things this will become One of the higher priority items again next step so Another Google summer code 2023 project that we're seeing through to completion is the usage of Docker compose in Tutorials and Jenkins documentation overall Bruno has been working on this for quite some time along with Ashutosh in their original project Bruno's been updating the Maven platform Python. No JS and now multi branch pipeline tutorials to you. I'll use Docker compose This is amazing fantastic. Just wonderful work. Thank you so much Bruno for this Ashutosh as well Yep for just All of this is great so That being said Bruno is also working on the Docker installation documentation at this point in time. So Things look to be going well, but there might be some Looks as though there might be something where Docker and Docker is a necessary evil if I'm doing that correctly Bruno Maybe maybe not if you don't mind I'd like to get your insight with three of you about that I'm wondering as I'm progressing with the rewriting of this guide or tutorial. I'm wondering. What is the end goal? Is it to get people up to speed with a running Jenkins instance while using Docker? So if that's the main goal, it will look more or less like the previous tutorials we addressed So it will be pretty short. I would say thanks to Docker compose or will it be that and on top of that a Detailed explanation of why it's working this way So should we dig a little deeper and talk about what's behind the curtain or even worse Or should we have a second approach that deals with? Okay, we've got something that works But we may build it your way with the plug-ins unit because we offer a lot of plug-ins with the default Installation using Docker compose, but maybe that's not the plug-ins you're looking for or Another step which would be Okay, we've got the thing that works all by itself We've got the thing that works with your plug-ins you want, but What about having a specific agent now with all the specific tools you need as you noted previously We already have something for Maven node a Python Go lang Android. So should we let people know how to generically? Add something a tool that they need to build a specific agent with Docker or and that's the problematic part for me all of that plus I'd like to build a Docker image Thanks to this Docker compose guide But I'm not so sure that's such a good idea this very last point because this is problematic Security wise as we would have to use Docker and Docker or Docker on Docker as far as I know So I don't know how far we'd like to go with this guy Hey, so Kevin, are you okay if I I'm gonna I'm gonna offer my Relatively strongly held opinion and let other people disagree with me Okay, so trying to trying to justify my opinion the other Jenkins install guides and we have several right we have Jenkins on Windows we have Jenkins on Linux. We have Jenkins with the warfare So so Jenkins on Windows is how do you install it with the MSI package? Jenkins on Linux describes how you install it with either a deb file or an RPM file and it describes it for Red Hat for Fedora for Debian for Ubuntu. So it then we've got how do you install with the war file and And eat and then we've got another page Which is how do you install on other systems that are not explicitly supported by the Jenkins project? But you could can refer to them like how to use brew or how to install on free BSD or Solaris So we've we've got each of those So for me those are the those are the fundamental concept of what the install section describes and each of them stops at the point where you've completed the Jenkins setup wizard and Installed the set of plug-ins that are in the setup wizard so for me that says the first alternative that Bruno offered is what's what's there in the What's already there in the existing install guides? We don't tell them how to install another plug-in We don't tell them how to manage their war-based installation or their Linux rpm-based or their deb-based installation with configuration as code We don't tell them how to build a docker container Because the install instructions are just to get you to the point of running this having completed the setup wizard that you've now got a Reasonable set of plug-ins installed and that set of plug-ins will do interesting and useful things So for me, I was thinking we should choose the first one on the list start a running Jenkins instance with Docker However, now let's take now. I'm going to put my lawyer for the devil hat on my devil's advocate hat, right and say But that's that's less than what the users need Right because many users will then ask, okay, how do I build a container image and The answer is you don't because in this environment It's not container image build capable, right? And the same story answers for the war-based installation for the rpm-based installation by default on any on the windows installation by default on any of those you can't Build a container image Because you have to do an awful lot of extra setup So my my sort of impassioned plea is I think we should stop at item one or possibly Item to explain why it works that way But even there we don't explain why No, maybe we do okay now again the lawyer stopping the lawyer for the devil has now realized We have a system D based installer, right? But we have an entire set of Instructions on how do you do things with system D? We have a page that talks about how do you manage things with system D? Separate from the install guide, but it's very much there, right? And so maybe this lobbies that we should Do option one start a running Jenkins instance with Docker and then have a separate page that talks about why it works that way and What they can do to extend it and what they can do to change various parameters, etc All right now. I'm going to stop talking and listen to other people So I actually agree with you mark on either the first or second one potentially being the what we go with for the installation page like you said, it's more It's more aligned with the other installation docs. We're not going and doing anything extra on those other pages If we don't want to set that precedent here, we shouldn't start But we also have things like the Docker like in the pipeline documentation section. There's Docker in using Docker in pipeline So there are other pages that exist for this sort of information adding a second page for you know post Docker installation setup or something might be An alternative that we could put together and that contains the why the customization stuff the agent specifics like those sort of things Where it's not necessarily the pipeline documentation because it's prior to that this this all this information would be before that happens so I see why it could go in the installation docs, but I think it might be worthy of its own separate page or even like a Bigger section of that installation docs or maybe we go with that that like Information but making it clear that it's specific for Docker and all of this Okay, Bruno your opinion Yeah, it means less work for me your proposal does that sounds kind of cool No, it totally makes sense. I was Afraid that I was too much enthusiastic and putting too many things into one just Installation guide and not installation and know everything about Docker So, yeah, maybe too many things at the same place But why not create new pages in the near future with all the rest of the information? I wanted to write into that thing So maybe the PR will be available in the coming weeks instead of the coming months then so that's pretty good news Well, and for me the the model that's used with the deb and the RPM installer where the install guide gives very short Short steps and tries to be as short as possible do this do this do this and you're done And you've got a deb based or an RPM based install that that aligns with the first and Then the added page that talks about system D and and this is how you do it Is is a good story to tell I think it really is so so we now Okay, good. So it sounds like you're okay with option one as the the target for this page with in the future the addition of Why does it work that way because? Teaching them about talking about Docker compose and how do you manage plugins under Docker compose? And how do you manage? How do you do your own deployment of with using a composed base solution? I think is very interesting and we'd get a lot of a lot of traction from people about oh, okay I could have my own little repository that looks like the Jenkins repository that was the basis for the install instructions and I extend it with my needs and still have it managed as Docker Yep, thank you for your insights folks Yeah, no, thank you Bruno for all the work and and creating the discussion and like putting this all out there We can't do this without that work and that initiation. So like thank you. You're welcome. Thank you Yeah, and like I'm more than happy to help with it in whatever way I can do whatever I can to help out building out those other pages And like putting that information down Because I think I think it would be really Beneficial for users to have that documentation in the Jenkins area because I know that we link to the Docker Documentation within like the Docker and pipeline page and other areas. So having it be there would be really convenient and You know take away that having to navigate other places to get that same information Yeah cool Yeah, a couple other things to need to be taken care of with the position of doc close up No, this is all really great again. Thanks to Bruno and us for their work on this Yeah, and we'll see more updates going forward Next up. So I'm something that we've been discussing and that's being worked on still JFrog reached out asked if they could be attributed as a sponsor for Jenkins that IO. We said yes, absolutely That's the right thing and then we decided well, we want to have a proper Sponsor attribution for all sponsors and have potentially have a separate page for that so that conversation has been had Basil crows taken it upon himself to create the sponsor attributions draft and Has this has been working on this the discussion has been ongoing in governance board meetings So this is something that still being developed still being worked on and Basil Does that now have access to More detailed information so that we can figure out what levels everyone would ideally be at and what their sponsorships would essentially Be measured by in terms of levels Anchor the highest gold silver bronze Accordingly and mirrors are a different type of sponsorship. So they would have their own category in and of itself as well Yeah, so that's still ongoing and we'll have more details when they're available Just this week, we had a few pull requests come through from the user of Pythor hub aka students you so again Just wanted to say thank you for the contributions. I've been able to review two of the three pull requests One just came in a couple hours ago. So I haven't had a chance to sit down and look through it But I did leave a comment on it because it looked as though some of the work They had been doing on another pull request. Yeah So this was one of the this was the first one they opened up and it looks as though their most recent one includes Updates that they had made to the parent palm information. So I was able to at least comment and Up and share that because I wasn't sure if that was intended or if this was meant to just stick to that. So Yeah, for the reviews needed. I know that Jivnik had been also commented on one of them and actually added some insight. Yeah, so Thanks to them for also helping with that And yeah, these have been really receptive the contributors been on top of things and making updates as requested. So yeah, great Great to see. Thank you so much. And yeah more to come on that as well Then the last thing that I had on the agenda It's not defend anyone if no one else has anything was Gavin mogen recently commented in the doc skitter channel that The doc sig page itself is a little out of date or it needs to be updated So I'm working on this right now, but basically making sure that the members are all up to date Making sure that descriptions are correct topics are correct, etc but looking at the projects a Good amount of these are in a completed status or in the epic that they're linked to has at least been closed Or completed. So a lot of these are past projects and need to be labeled properly in that sense. So I'm going through reworking some of the Phrasing and stuff in here so that it is more accurate And then just yeah, I'm putting I'm working on that right now to make sure that this is As current as it can be so More to come on that and there'll be pull requests that I'll submit for review on that So Kevin Kevin back to that page if we can because Bruno you and I I think need to do something similar for platform SIG so right now what what my thought was is in Terms of participants anyone who's not attend ox attended Docs office hours in the last year and Not submitted a pull request in the last year should be dropped from the list to the Jenkins Docs a Year is more than enough time to say they're not a participant And what that would do is reduce this list to leads Mark Wait and Kevin Martin's and because I lead Asia and he leads Europe you us and with you Bruno on the participants list Meg McRoberts on the participants list and Chris Stern on the participants list and And that's I think We don't have enough other active participants to put them on the participants list We've had one or two who drop in occasionally and if they drop in more frequently we can add them Yeah, and even worse than that. I think we have a SIG that does not exist anymore Wasn't there a hardware or something SIG? I think we got rid of that from the so so the SIG list right now is as far as I know showing active SIGs but we've certainly had a number of SIGs in the past that are no longer active like Cloud native SIG it existed and there are if you look in the history of the site You can find information about Clayton cloud native SIG, but it's long since not been not been an active SIG So those as far as I know the list of SIGs is accurate We just need to to be sure that let's let's admit that it's time to update the lead and participants list this one It was particularly glaring because I haven't led the Docs office hours us for What a year or more Kevin, right? I mean, it's been a very long time since I was leading this this session Yeah, outside of a couple instances when I've been out or haven't been able to it's been over a year now So Yeah, and then I know I know we mentioned the list of participants run I'm also going to make sure Von Dietz in there. So I mean between Von Dietz and Chris Von Dietz even if he doesn't show up to the yeah, that's that's a clear place where you're absolutely right Von Dietz should be listed there as a contributor because as a participant because he's very much involved in Docs Yes, absolutely. And so yeah, so I'm also trying to keep that in mind even if folks don't necessarily show up to office hours every week The contributions don't matter. So Right. Good. I good. I good thought very good But yeah, and so yeah, so I'm gonna be working on updating this page making sure that everything's labeled accordingly Anchors and a couple other things that I've seen that need to be adjusted. But yeah Also adjusted the time frame here since it's an hour earlier than what it says, but Yeah, so that's just something that Gavin had mentioned recently on Jkitter and wanted to and I wanted to address that So we're doing we're taking the steps Uh anything else that anyone wants to talk about today or does that cover every every idea anyone had? All right, we are at time. So We'll go ahead and start the recording in just a second here It'll be the video be available in 24 to 48 hours. We'll cross post on community Discourse and as always take care. Stay safe and until next week. Thank you and have a good rest of your day