, how did the market detract from the actual film? Aside from watching the first trailer, I didn't look into anything about the Joker movie before watching the film. I saw the Joker trailer once when it first dropped, the very first trailer, and that was it. So I don't know what point she's trying to make with this. It's so strange. Turn out being that good, I could just go back and watch the trailer and like remember how excited it made me feel. It's like an anime music video, like it's its own art.  That's very sad. If you haven't seen it, and for some reason you're watching this video, I assume everyone that clicked it- Well, no, statistically, statistically almost everybody really liked the film. So yeah, most people who saw it really liked it. And I think a lot of people would be curious, if anything, why you didn't.  Why? I mean, I'm getting all cynical. I think that they're having trouble getting it. You know, in the same way that Chris Stuckman said he couldn't get Blade Runner. And like this happens. There's some movies you might watch and you might be like, I don't have anything wrong with this, but I'm not getting what everyone else is getting. You know what I mean? And a civil war for me. Yeah, I adore that film. So that's the thing, like you could explain it all day in both the maybe the flaws or the pros and the person can be like, I still don't get it. And like I just think that's happening on a little bit of a wider scale with Joker. I mean, the first question for anybody who liked Joker is, did you like TLJ? Just out of curiosity. I'm not saying it means anything. I'm just like, I just want to know. Oh, it definitely means something. It's just interesting. Like let's not be around the bush. It means something. I mean, to a degree, every comment about whatever film you like can mean something, right? It's indicative. You know, see, LJ fans say encompasses a certain kind of person. Well, that was kind of what I was trying to say at the end of my video of the three critiques. I was like, if this is something you think is well written, then how are you going to start like saying, oh, this other film is poorly written for whatever standard like logical inconsistency because TLJ has them all. So what are you going to do? Like go, well, it was good in TLJ. I say this like it's a really harsh strawman, but this exists. It's like, oh, well, yeah, but the the message, the memes, the themes, I mean, they elevate the script. So this other film, and you know, I'm referencing, right? It's like Suicide Squad. That film is terrible. It's like, what about the themes? Like, oh, it doesn't have themes. Like no, no, everything has themes, my friend, even the room. The room has the best themes. Movie trailers like anime music videos. Feel anger for some reason. Anyway, we'll have to find you a good anime music video. I don't get copyright on Good Delph. As long as it's under seven seconds. It works differently for music. Music can get clipped at like three seconds. Really annoying. Play a blood on the dance floor video.  People copyrighted Jurassic World.  They're like, nope, that's mine. That's mine. That belongs to me. And they didn't. They could have gone the way of monetizing it, but no, they block it every time. Like no one is allowed to see you doing this. You're like, all right, okay. Yeah, I guess people did like actually try to claim the Alpha and Omega movies and say, yeah, I made this. You were the one responsible, were you? And with the writer for Alpha and Omega. Some masterpiece. I haven't seen it. Let me break this down very quickly. Remember in the trailer, they had all these compelling shots of like the Joker dancing in a grandiose fashion and they're playing like a Bing Crosby song or something. I'm 90% sure it's not Bing Crosby. Don't get on my case about this. Anyway, you see those in the trailer and you get kind of hype because it feels like this kind of bombastic scene, maybe a emotional height for the Joker. Which it is. Yeah, it is. I'm a let it continue, but I just want to clarify it was. All right, we're moving forward. Or a culmination of- Even if it wasn't, though. Even if it wasn't, like, okay, it's a trailer. It's not in context. You have to watch the movie to understand the full context. It's not a flaw for the film. Yeah, the only thing she can conclude is poor marketing, or at least misleading marketing. And again, that would be like, all right, so what's the film like? It's the film, though. Yeah. A lot of things that lead to him being on this staircase or backstage of the show and doing a grand little dance. You kind of assume it's not like triumphant, given the overall tone of the movie, but then it's at least going to be some time later. The one down the stairs is definitely triumphant. Triumphant, absolutely. Or at least maybe not triumphant, but, like, gleeful. Yeah, there's a lot of ways you can describe that, and it depends on whether you're looking at the audience or Arthur or both. There's a lot of what I would call emotions that are veering on the what people would call positive side, for sure. There's a sense of freedom, I would go as far as saying. It's right after he's brutally birded somebody and put on his full costume, he's going to see Rob De Niro. It's great. Cops chasing. Out scene. But the truth is, the Joker isn't dancing in, like, an interesting moment as part of a bigger scene. He dances at several points in the movie, actually, in various settings, and each time he does it, there isn't going to be a build-up to it. There's an unrelated... What? No! Okay, no. The dancing is always related. All right. Intrinsically plot-related. It's a character moment that always comes at the, either beginning or end of a scene that something big happens or is going to happen. That is an interesting thing to say. How did you miss that? I'm not sure how to tackle this. I'm like... Yeah. All right. Let's take the bathroom dance, right? He dances in the public bathroom. Now, what did he do moments before he began dancing in the bathroom? Brutally murdered three people. Murdered three people. Shot him dead after being attacked, sort of quasi-attacked.  He runs and runs, and when he finally feels like he's safe in a space of his own, he begins to dance. He feels free and uplifted. It feels good to him, and maybe he can't even explain quite why, but being able to get back at those people, it gives him some kind of emotional catharsis. It didn't come from nowhere, and if you thought it came from nowhere, maybe you weren't paying attention. Maybe you needed to watch the film a second time. I haven't watched the film a second time, but I remember for the most part what happened in the film. Correct me if I'm wrong, Wolf, but the dance scene where he's applying his makeup toward the end of the film is after he's killed his mom? After he killed his mom, and when he is beginning the transformation into his Joker look. Yes. It's before he was visiting his daughter's court. Then the dance right after that is after he kills Randall, and the dance after that is just before he enters the Murray Franklin show, and the one right after that is after he kills Murray. It's always plot related. What about always plot related? When he's dancing with the gun in his room. Let's see, that is the one. That's a different circumstance because he's imagining a conversation. I will point his character moment.  It's what I would argue. There's a lot that's being achieved with that scene, but so yeah, rudimentarily, I'd say way more than that. I'm trying to be generous to it right now. We've come up with something important for each of these dances, and she's trying to argue that the dance is made very important in the trailer while in the film. It's just something he does. I can't remember, but in his daydreamer, he's on the Murray show. Does he say that he likes to dance? No, I don't remember him talking about dancing in there. He talks about his mom living with her. Yeah, I don't think dancing is ever mentioned there. No, I don't believe so. I quite like Eskia Rascaria. I'd have to watch the film again, but they said he dances in moments of feeling power and control. Definitely, yeah. I think the only one that contradicts that is the one where he's imagining dancing with somebody, but there's a specific context where it works with the character then. And he is holding a gun. Yeah. So you'd picture that's got to be, he's got to be feeling kind of powerful with it. Gun on your hand makes you feel powerful. Maybe a case. Yeah, all right. Good stuff, Janne. All right. It's seen that somehow indicates his descent into madness, and then cut away to a different scene wherein he is dancing. In front of a mirror or on a staircase or backstage of the talk show.  It doesn't have fun, like showtuny music.  Like the whole point is he he's like when he's backstage, at least, he's like slowly building himself up to that point where he knows what he's going to do. You guys remember a long time ago, it was brought out. I think it's might have been the Patrick Willems plot hole thing. He mentioned that people say it's a plot hole because they don't show the journey between one cut to the next, right? Right. And Janne treats it as like an issue here, that it cuts to him dancing. Like you showed him walking into the bathroom. You showed him getting ready to travel to the place, and this is on the way. Like, yeah, the cut won't show every step along the way, but when it is like, what an odd thing to say, like it just cuts to him somewhere. It's like, yeah, we saw him sort of go there. He was on his way there. He was traveling. It wasn't one long take his entire journey. It was very strange to put in there. I'm not even sure what she was trying to say specifically, because she said like cuts to him dancing. I'm like, you saying it was too harsh of a cut? You saying that it doesn't inform the dance? Like, it's not even a harsh cut. I don't know. Well, this is kind of what I'm hearing now. She doesn't really... She just said that happens, and it's like, right. There's a lot of waiting for the problem. Besides, we see him on the bus. We see him walking. He travels, you know. Well, yeah, in a lot of these walking scenes. There is a movie between the scenes.  And I'm sure they'd see that as boring or whatever. It does in the trailer. It just has very somber strings. And each of these scenes is really sort of interchangeable with the other ones like it. I'm very here for like, slow, boring character studies, but it didn't feel slow and boring because it was intimate, or because it was taking its time to really develop the character. I don't care about it if I'm not boring. Go ahead.  And we know that's a ringing endorsement. It felt like it was slow and boring because Todd Phillips had like a couple ideas for good scenes, and then just repeated them a lot. Like he was trying to. No. Oh, my God.  What's wrong with her? If there was a wasted scene in Joker, one that you could take out, one that you would call padding and unnecessary, what scene do you think it would be? I'd have to watch it again. Because I think I would too, because nothing really. That was padding and unnecessary. Yeah. If you had to pick one. If you had to. I think you could get away with shaving some scenes, but even then I'd be like, I don't know. I don't even think I'd want to shave down any scenes. Again, I'd have to watch it. If anything, I wish the movie was a little more of it. Yeah, I'd have to say that that's a flaw that it was too short. It definitely was not too short. Yeah, I know it's subjective, but when I was watching it, I was I was on board the whole time. I was watching. I was paying attention. My eyes were glued to the screen. Yeah, man, I never I never felt bored. I never felt like they were wasting time or plotting along too slowly. It's subjective, but I mean, all right. To walk home from the theater with head neighbor. The scene where it definitely showed flashbacks that last like three seconds. People say flashbacks are important. We have to keep the girlfriend.  Like so many prominent reviewers have said that they are necessary.  You're just wrong. You're just wrong. Someone here is saying you could leave out the Wayne's death. I like that. I really like that that's there. Yeah, I really, really like it. That is my favorite depiction of the Wayne family being killed. Someone saying we should remove Kanto bite. I agree. We should just remove all of Disney's Star Wars. Is someone saying kicking the trash after he's fired? Maybe. No, no, no. No. I mean, look, look, look, look. I don't think there's going to be a good answer, but you've got to pick one. Is like, maybe. Okay. If I had to pick one, I might shave down when he goes to visit the Wayne manner. Somehow. I'm not sure what I would do. I need to see the scene again. I think the only part I would shape maybe cut is him putting his fingers in Bruce's mouth and making him smile. I think there's something to draw from that. I hate to say it thematically. A couple people have said the girlfriend flashbacks.   That's not even my argument. You need to actually have them in there to make sure that people actually understand because you know the criticisms would be just flipped. It's not a valid criticism. Stop pretending that it is.  How dare they put four seconds of a scene in there? The reason why I needed the flashbacks, personally, more so than being able to... It's not about figuring out she's not real. I got that the second she said like, aren't you the guy from the other place or whatever? Like, yeah, okay, she's not real. When you play out those scenes that he has, you need to know whether or not he imagined it all in his head, whether or not he went to these places and he just imagined her being there. And then what was being done, whether or not she was there. There's a lot just being done in those scenes.  I think it's all based around comfort, a lot of it. And trying to... I just know exactly how people would respond to this if it was the other way around.   I could see that. I think there would be a fair amount of people, especially with how realistically the scenes were portrayed with her in them. How if all of a sudden she just acted like she didn't know him, that would confuse people. I do think that would confuse people. I think it's not what they feel. I might be... Yeah, I think I might even be among them. Because I certainly wouldn't... My first impression wouldn't be, oh, he's been hallucinating the whole time. And it might... While I try to figure that out in the theater as the movie's playing, I might be focusing too much on thinking about that. That's where we're at, though. Not to interrupt and take a step back, but go in and match. It's like, that's where we're at for Joker criticism right now, really? Yeah. That's a fucking... A few people say... Again, I guess that's great. That's the only real criticism and quotations, but... Someone, I think the person who mentioned the trash, cutting out him, kicking the trash, in the scene before that, they say, we could see how angry he was, because of the time clock and everything. So maybe... That was after the fact... That was after he was fired, though. Is what... That's what they're saying in chat, so... The guy singing to him could be cut. I don't know about that. Someone's saying I feel like stalking her to the bank would have more consequences than it did. Someone's saying cut out him climbing in the fridge. Which might be... Yeah, I think the film doesn't suffer without it. I don't think taking that out would really necessarily ruin anything. It doesn't exactly add much, either. Someone's saying when he shoots the gun on accident. Well, no, there are a lot of things going on in that scene, I think that we need to keep. Yeah. Because he is... Plus, I've seen a lot of people say that shooting the gun and having no response shows... It further shows how shitty the neighborhood is. Yeah. Also, I mean about a lot of things being achieved. Like, I just... I will settle for the fridge scene, because I think that only achieves one thing specifically. Unless... There's probably more takes I need to listen to about it, but from my experience, I was just, like... Right now, it's like a very physical representation of complete isolation. Oh, someone brings up a good point. I think the flashbacks are partly important, because it's showing that he is realizing she wasn't accepting that. That, too? Kind of like accepting the reality of the situation. Which is cool. Yeah, which is a good point. I think that's a good point that you make. Killing his mother wasn't that important. Interesting answer. A lot of interesting answers here. But there's not like an easy one. We're at the point where we're desperately struggling to cut something. And you were being told the film is like thrown out boring and stuff, so... Yeah. I wouldn't cut anything at all. We're kind of struggling to... Cut out stalking her to the bank. If you cut that out, we lose that, which leads to the next scene, which leads to the beginning of her plotline, almost. You know, the imaginary... Him imagining her plotline. The whole reason she comes to him. So it's kind of good that we saw it. Anyway. Doomcock apparently did a whole video about the fridge. And I'm not... I didn't know that. That might be something we check out later. Yeah. I'll be interested. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for bringing my... Trying to pad the movie. Sad thing happens to Arthur. Shot of Arthur in a dim room. Smoking and looking seriously at a wall. Shot of Arthur dancing. Slow-mo, but you play violin music over. All right, yeah. I mean, this is really fun. Let's play this game.  Stuff in space. Just a guy sitting on a chair in a spaceship. Yeah, a couple of people in a different... The old rooms look basically the same. Oh, look, a new planet. Just an old dude sitting on a rock.  People with laser swords just standing around, staring at each other and talking, rather than fighting. Now let's go even more vague. Characters doing stuff. That's like the whole movie. All right.  Young moisture farmer staring at two sons. Yeah, that's what I mean.   I wasted time. What's happening? All right, also a scene of a man dancing doesn't automatically become poignant just because you slow it down and put spooky violins over it. Especially when you do it more than once. And by the... Good themes. And salting to the really good sound track. I can't take this seriously when she loves TLJ.  Yeah, this is rough. This is why TLJ fans their opinions don't matter. This is the whole point of the end of my video. I'm like, if I know that you think TLJ is a masterpiece, I'm going to struggle to reconcile a lot of your future takes. Because I'm like, but... But you said... But you know what I mean? I'm just like, okay. And then someone would be like, but Molar, everyone's allowed to have an opinion. I'm like, it's not what I'm discussing right now. But okay. Let me look at the Metacritic for Joker. This we get update. This is just for funsies. This isn't obviously prescriptive. So Metascore is at a 59. The user score is at a 9.2. Good. Which is stellar, exceptional. Wait, you said 9.2 or 9.2? Out of 10. We should... Oh. Unironically, we should... What's the other one at 55? Well, it's because they do the Meta... Because Metacritic's dumb. They do Metascore out of 100. And they do user score out of 10. But there's a picture there. Well, why does it like that? That would cause... The way you said that made me think, wait. Oh, yeah, it does come right in. Yeah. Also, it makes it look like it's so much worse. Yeah. Essentially 59 Metascore, 92. We should... I think... I don't know how to do it. But I'm pretty sure you can stream the Oscars, right? If me, you... Wait, that's three. Make sure we watch all of the films that are nominated. Because Joker is... I just want to see what happens. We could totally do an EFAP mini for the Oscars. Like, you can't do it live, but you can definitely make supercuts. Just to see what happens. I'm kind of doing that. We can all relish in the disappointment. Disappointment, yeah. Because I actually tried to watch all of the Oscar winners from last year just to see... Because that's why we watched Green Book. I was like, okay. Let's see what it was. I don't know. I think if you watch Joaquin Phoenix get snubbed, I'm sure. I have a feeling that Joker is a hole, but I guess we'll have to see what happens. But yeah, I think that could be fun. It was something. Guy in it. John Connor, the Terminator. It doesn't matter. The only thing that got me a killer robot is now gone. Oh no! Oh no! Aw. That's so sad.  Aliens Terminator Predator. At least the previous Terminator movies are tied to Skynet. That's true. They completely dropped Skynet. What do you mean? They are called Legion now. That's the only difference. Oh no. But Genesis is Skynet. Well, what I'm getting at... What he's talking about is like the new movie says, Skynet is gone, dead, deleted, done. You killed them. Good job. Okay, cool. So what's the threat now? Legion. What's the difference between Legion and Skynet? Literally nothing. Okay. Oh, it's like the... Good job, guys. We did it. We made the movie. I don't remember what... I don't remember what they're called in Gears 4 and 5, but they changed like the Locust to some other name, even though their name is the Locust. So the Locusts were fighting the Lambent, and now you have the Swarm in addition. The best part is, I don't know if you played Gears 4, but they... No, I did not. They just sucked. I heard it was not. Just out of absolutely nowhere, one of the characters goes, we call them the Swarm, and it's like, when did you decide on that name? Well, I'm like, how long are you going to live on this planet before an alien civilization stops popping up every five minutes and is the new bad guy of the game? My favorite part is like, it's all predicated on the fact that Gears 3 is like, we killed all of the Locusts, and then out of nowhere, it's like, never mind they went into a hibernation and now they're super Locusts now. Well, it was... It will be Locusts. By the way, we're talking about Gears of War right now, is where we've gone.  Trust me in context, Gears doesn't make any more sense. It is, Gears, it actually has a really interesting Warhammer-like universe. To it, that's... They all have to read in external material. Yeah, but the games give a very... It's like a worse for it. Space Marine gives you a better view into the Warhammer universe than Gears 5 kind of gives for the Gears universe in a way. Oh no. But it's like, how many times does the... Criticality of Dark Fate in 8 out of 10? He did? Why? Wait, critical who? Well, he didn't necessarily shout me out once, but he actually said that it was my Game of Thrones videos, I think that he watched or something. Critical Drinker? No, no, no, not Critical Drinker. Oh, okay. Oh, thank God. Okay, all right. I was like, whoa, whoa. No, no, he hated it. Critical Drinker. Okay, for clarification, Critical Drinker hated it. Cranker hated it. Oh no, it's probably true, because I'm seeing... It's got 87%. It's a yellow rating. It's the only video he's got up that's got a bad rating. This episode... No. Is Critical... I know I've heard of it. So Charlie is the one guy who liked it. Oh no. He wasn't taking. Oh, him. Oh man. Oh, him. I used to like his video. I'll have to check it out. I hope we don't end up covering it. Please don't. The Moist Meter. Wait, really? This isn't the guy? It's not Penguin Zero, is it? Yeah, yeah. That's not critical, is it? It is? Yeah. Because this Moist Meter Dark Fate just shows it at 7.2 out of 1.1, which is... Yeah, yeah, that's bad. It doesn't seem like that would be in the yellow. That's bad? That's indicative that something's gone wrong, because when you're delivering videos to your own fan base, most of the time you'll get 95% plus. It'll be weird to get anything lower than that if everything's fine. So to get 87% to be... That's why they've colored it yellow, green, and red. You know, red is like... No, it just shows it up on gray for me. Oh, well, the reason why they've colored it that way, the way they have on the app or whatever it is, is to try and tell you that that's essentially how YouTube... You know, like extra credits getting essentially like 2%? The color doesn't change from 2% all the way up to like 70 something, because it's just, yeah, you're in bad territory at that point. Yeah, 100 to 90 is green. And then it goes orange down to 70, and then it's red from there. But those are the Dark Fate Metacritics. It is 54 from the Metascore, and from the user score is a 3.8 out of 10. Also, I want to clarify, you can have videos that are like, disliked to hell, they're actually good, because those different things can be the reason. But I will check that video out. I hope it's not like weird, but... That movie was bad. I wonder what Angry Joe felt about that movie. Someone said in chat, he gave ukulele a bad... He did. Angry Joe gave it an 8 out of 10. You see, this is why Angry Joe's the opinions don't matter. No, I got to check. I got to check. I got to check. It could be a meme.  He's got 82%, he probably did give it that. He's only... Final verdict is 3 out of 10. 8 out of 10. And then it shows 3 out of 10 after that. Wait, it does? Yeah. Oh. Who was the one that gave it an 8 out of 10?   Because we have a... It says 8 out of 10 and 3 out of 10, and I don't have audio because we're streaming. Book it up. You could watch it online, I think. There's one of two things that might have happened. Either Angry Joe gave it a 3 and his retarded friend Alex gave it an 8 out of 10. An 8 out of 10. Or it was the other way around. I don't know. I haven't watched the video. From what I just saw, Joe gave it an 8. Oh no. He said Terminator Genesis if I turn off my brain was an 8 out of 10. Say that again. Sorry, Mr. I know. It is mind-boggling. I believe that Angry Joe said that Terminator Genesis, if I turn off my brain, was that 8 out of 10. What? No, no. Do we have to take a detour from Jenny's shitty video to watch the last three minutes of an Angry Joe movie review? Joe, why? In fairness. Are we being intercepted by the dynamic Hispanic? Okay. To clarify, he gave the new one a 3. In fairness. In fairness.  Because if that's the case, then... It's like 8 out of 10 for the blinking lights and the fights, I guess. Even then. Even then, that's like a term. Like, don't you care about why anything is the way it is? Because then there's a 3 out of 10 yet that I haven't listened to. So the 3 out of 10 was for Doc Fay, yeah? I don't know yet. I haven't listened to it. I just scrolled because there's a final verdict that says 8 out of 10 and I scrolled a little further. There's a final verdict 3 out of 10. And I'm so confused right now. I don't know what's real. We gotta give Jenny a time. Surely we can put this on the... We will look into this.  I know. Jenny's video is really bad. We've already... Yeah, but this is really unfair. We've covered less than a quarter. We'll do. We'll do a main break for an angry Jew. Hey, hey, Jew! For an angry Jew! You have 8 out of 10. Angry... That was legitimately a slip of the tongue. I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't mean to call him... I didn't mean to call him angry Jew. All right? I didn't mean to. I was... The actual channel... The angry Jew. Angry Jew is a slip of the tongue. I swear. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not implying that angry... I'm not saying that Joe Vargas is Jewish. All right? He's Hispanic. He's obviously Catholic. So what we're going to need to do is we're going to need to watch the last three minutes of angry Joe as in Joseph's review of Terminator Dark Thing. No, no, no, no, no. All right, I've made a note of where we were. We'll get back to Janice. We're... All right, what... Shapiro wants to know your look. Listen, you can clip it. It doesn't matter because there's nothing wrong with Jews being angry. You're anti-Semitic if you think the Jews don't have anything to be angry for. There. How about that? Flip that right back on you. Yeah. Oh, how the tables have turned. Oy vey. That's a quote for the ages. Listen, I have no problem... That needed to have to be said. No problem with the Jewish people. Oh, my God. All right, let's have a look. I didn't like it at first. We'll talk about it in spoilers. And then it was okay. Well, this was spoilers. Towards the end that I didn't mind it as much. So when I wasn't thinking about the implications in the universe, when I wasn't thinking about like the interesting writing decisions just to make sure that... I really wanted the movie to go in a different direction, too. And so like the brain-off score of this movie is like... It shouldn't have been a Terminator film. It should have been a different...  Then you wouldn't have the best parts, Arnold and Linda. Yeah. But and so like that is difficult. If I'm thinking about this movie, this movie is like dead average. But if I'm just sitting down and I want to be a mass audience person... I'm not going to lie. That blue and black plaid shirt with the yellow underneath. Man, I admire a man who takes risks like that. Yeah, those colors are not working together. What do I know? I bet he's got a really great dad bod underneath there. What do you think, Wolf? Uh... I don't know. I'd have to... Maybe if he stands up. Because he might be hiding like some horrible gut under there. All right, that's fair enough. Because I do care. This could easily be like a seven or an eight. But it's hard. You have to kind of decide where you fit. Haha! Alex gives this one an eight. Joe gives it a five. Yes! I know. I know you. He said halfway through, he turned off his brain. That's okay. That's what the...  Because that's my rating. It's an eight out of 10. Oh, no. It's also about dog food, though. Oh, no. I tried to give you the benefit of the... Oh, wait. Well, I'm so confused. What are they talking about? Well, because if you just said that if you consider this movie without the two minute franchise, it goes up. And he says the best parts are Linda and Arnold. So it has to be dog food. It can't be Genesis. Now, I want to ask you, Joe, before I go deep into my rating here, you saw Genesis. Yes, with you. You saw salvation. No, I have not. What? You didn't look to him, y'all. Yeah, like I said. Did you see T3? But it's been so long. I think so. Yeah. Okay. Did you like it better than Genesis? It's better than Genesis. This one? Terminator, Genesis. Did you like this one better than Terminator, Genesis? Oh, and I'm undecided on whether or not I think Genesis is worse actually is complicated. It's really tough to figure out honestly. I didn't go on to make that decision for me. I refused to watch Dark Fate. It's the question I've actually been thinking about myself is what's worse to let John Connor win the war and lead people to victory for him to then be killed and converted into a Terminator and lead Skynet. So that's pretty insulting. Or after T2 he's shotgunned to bits. Well, at least if you shotgunned to bits he can't be ruined. But at least he saved humanity in the other one before he got turned into a Terminator. He got turned into a Terminator though. That's so fucked. We have to argue which one is worse. Dying or turning into a Terminator.  We're asked to just be like ruin Terminator. Disrespect the franchise and the fans. Like, all right.  They're like the two top choices. It's like they did both of them and ironically in different continuities. It's insane.  I think that it's interesting that we have Dark Fate killing off John Connor like this so he can't save humanity. And at the almost at the same time we have episode nine where Darth Vader didn't kill Palpatine. He's still alive and we have to have Rey do it. Like why are these new franchises so focused on taking away the achievements of old beloved characters and giving them to the shitty new ones? It's like it's like a matter now. Predators were always just hunting for autism. Like why do you hate the old things so much and at the same time want to make money off of it? Provides you that clip from the it movie TV series or whatever where she's like why does it hate? We're referring to Hollywood at this point. Why does it hate?  So yeah, I think we can conclude then Joe and critical gave dark fate eight out of 10. Not bad. Well, there's a three out of 10. Oh, they still have to see what they're going to do. Yeah, you did. Yeah, we're going to go. Somebody going to look up your rating for the first one and find the consistency. All right. So here and honestly, I have some inconsistency too because I rated Genesis an eight. Terminator Genesis, the acting is worse. The acting is much better in this. In Terminator. You rated Terminator Genesis an eight out of 10. Joe, you make it so hard for me to understand how you manage to review games one way and movies you cannot review. Yeah. I I if you ever wanted more evidence as to why Joe's opinion on film doesn't matter. He reviewed Terminator Genesis an eight. Like we've talked about this, right? They're all so bad, all of these new movies. But Genesis is one of the ones that like it has the trophy of being the worst because it it deletes. It deletes Terminator one and two. Like. Oh my goodness.  That's like what Genesis does to T1 and 2. And it's just like, whoa. Damn. That's all I've got to say about that. Someone. Hey, Google. Google. I had Phoenix in chat made a good comment. He says, is Joe a Targaryen? A coin is flipped every time he does a review Targaryen. Every time he does a review. I don't even think he does a movie review. A coin's flipped. I guess. Yeah, he's probably been on point with some movie reviews. Right. I haven't seen all of it. Sure.  I mean, I've seen a few videos where he's like come to the correct conclusion and had good argumentation for it. But I'm pretty sure it's only because he's incidentally correct. Jay Longbone. He's not like angry Joe Batman for Superman. Jay Longbone said John Connor died a hero and lived long enough to see himself become a hero. He achieved both. And that's only including one continuity.  Looks like the final verdict for Batman V Superman is a seven out of 10.  Let me look up his Aquaman one. Oh, I'm pretty sure he looked at it. Angry Joe Aquaman. He's given this a seven out of 10. Aquaman? Seven. Aquaman seven out of 10. All right. All right, Joe. We're a friend normie. We get a better. Yeah, it's like, okay. Angry Joe. What's another movie I need to check? Suicide Squad. I'll just look at it. Oh, man. It's Steele. Just look at it. Suicide Squad. It tells you everything. Oh, Justice League. What did he give Justice League? Well, I'll do Suicide Squad. I actually know that he did. Welcome to the Jimmy Nichols stream, everybody. He actually did. Not like Justice League. Okay. So Suicide Squad, he gave an eight out of 10. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dude. Give an eight out of 10. The Predator. And I know this is bad because I remember watching his video and he says in the Predator review, Hey, I was wrong about Suicide Squad, but I'm not wrong on this one. This is a good film. Well, he gave the Predator a six out of 10. This is the thing. It's like a zero. Yeah, that video didn't do too well. For Angry Joe, the distance from eight to seven is like the distance between a nine to a two for the rest of us. Let's get a, what do they call it? Like, what did he give Justice League? If he didn't like Justice League, whatever he gave that, we should consider his low mocks, right? Angry Joe Justice League. Belgium. All right. He gave Justice League a... I'm scrolling. We're scrolling. I can't see it. Does he not have a graphic for the final review score? Oh, maybe he didn't put it on screen at that point. Justice League. I can't see it on the timeline. He doesn't have a graphic pop up, I don't think. I thought he gave it a bad review. I might be thinking of a different movie, but I'm pretty sure there was like one DC movie, at least, that he like actually despised. Granted, I don't know how many Angry Joe movie reviews I've set the whole way through, but... Yeah, I don't know, we'd have to listen to it. But we still have the three out of ten to listen to for this. Apparently he comes around to saying it's not great in the spoilers. Justice League? Well, for Dark Fate. Oh. Which says, watch Joe's spoiler review. He comes around and stops saying Joker is anything but a mess of a movie. I don't want to lie to you guys. Yeah, that would be, that would be bad. Yeah, we, you know, gotta be consistent. If he thinks the Predator's with six out of ten, I couldn't kill last, but anything has to say about movies. Well, this is the thing. I don't know what's going on with him with movies. He's a weird one. I think he goes quickly. Let's finish this real quick. I would like to hear the three out of ten. All right. The action is worse, except it has got future war scenes, and I think that's what hyped me up so much, because I love the future war. Honestly, I just want a future war film. I want T2 3D. If you know T2 3D, it was a real life experience in Orlando Studios, Florida, and that is the real T3. It is the real continuation of the story. John Connor and Arnold are now in the future, and they're fighting and they go into the future, and they take on Skynet. Look it up. You could watch it online, I think. So, but anyways. So, I'd say Terminator Genesis in realistic. Turn off my brain was that 8 out of 10, right? All right. But really, in retrospect, it's like a 6 out of 10. Six. And this one here, in Terminator just fate, turn off my brain, it's an 8 out of 10, or a turn off my brain was 6 out of 10 for Genesis. This is an 8 out of 10.  Well, turn off your brain. You want to talk about it. This is like the saying, this thing's like saying, well, if you don't count the bad stuff, the movie's great.  Isn't everything a 10 at that point? Or what are you judging at that point? I have bad news. He gave Justice League an 8 out of 10. What? Oh, maybe I was thinking. At the 10 minute, yeah, chat let me know. Dirtmaster Flex, he, at 10 minutes in, he flashes the graphic for 8 out of 10. Oh man. Justice League is an 8 out of 10. He's so bad. Oh man. A faithful adaption of the lore and a continuation. You're looking at a 3. You know, because the anger then comes back from, from that, that beginning scene and then the. All right. That's, that's better. So he, so he did get a 3 out of 10.  I'm okay with this. Yeah, sure. Am I, I'm downright surprised considering everything else you've been saying about his scores. He's given this one a 3 when considering everything and turning your brain on. All right. He's still wrong about Genesis, but. Hidiously wrong. Yeah, Justice League at a 10. The implication of where do we go next? You've, you've ruined it. There you go thinking again. You've ruined it. I, I don't, I mean, I don't, my criticism of Dark Fate isn't that you can't see where it can go next. They basically say that the war is about to start at the end of the film. So. Well, he did mention the first scene being something that made him angry. So. No, no, true. But he's saying among the criticisms, like, where do you go next? Like, oh, this, they can do whatever they want. They want to make a trilogy. By the way, I'm going back to his Man of Steel review back in 2013. Joe's gained a lot of weight. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just, just, just something I noticed.  Let me, I look back at it here. Let me post this picture and you're like, man, this dude needs to take it easy on the tacos. You know, I remember him from the channel awesome days. He was like a twig. Don't like it. I don't like the, the future war here. And I don't like that you gave me so literal of the future war at the beginning. And I don't like Spoonie talking about future wars. It's not, it's not like, yeah. Yeah, we had the future war movie and it was really bad. I mean, I'm not going to happily say that salvation is just bad. It's not great. Like there's a lot of problems. Well, the movie completely lost me when they had the Terminator that didn't realize he was a term. Yeah. No, I know. I guess the justification is that this software prevents him from realizing it or some shit, but I don't really care. It's like, oh, Terminator Bones against Dark Fate and Nab's apocalyptic 11 million on Friday. Is that over one day? Or is that a weekend? I guess that's this Friday. All right. That's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure the film probably cost more than 100 million, right? That's probably a safe bet. I mean, it's got Arnold in it. It's got Linda Hamilton. They go to a lot of places, load of special effects, explosions. And it was certainly, certainly advertised quite a bit. Yeah. So Google's saying that the film's budget was between 185 to 196. So I wanted to fail miserably.  We'll try again, guys. We've deleted Canon before. Let's just do it again. Don't try it again. Don't try it again. Please don't try it again. Okay, fine. Yeah, I'd settle for that, but I'd also settle for deleting this one from Canon. Well, yeah. Delete everything from Canon and then don't try again. They release a movie that all it has is Linda Hamilton and Roomba say it like, man, nothing else happened after T2. And that's it. She just comes down to the screen and she's like, yeah, everything after T2.  And she walks off and that's the end. It's like, yeah, I'll do it. Let's do it. I'm at the point if I was, if I was a Hollywood, if I became a Hollywood star, like, you know, Rich Evans, and I was in a, I was in an action film and I played the hero and we made two amazing movies and I was great and I was iconic in film for the rest of all ways.  We're going to make another one. You in?  Do you guys, are we carrying on with this? We're going to go back and visit Jenny. Oh yeah, Jenny. I tell you what, you discuss amongst yourselves the stuff and I will go use the loo and grab alcatisms and I'll be right back. Hey, Wolf, how about that stuff? What stuff? What stuff? That stuff? Arthur. Oh, that stuff. Ah, okay. I guess I can mention that stuff. Oh man. We're only at three hours. That was weak. Yeah. How long are you going to be available for just so I didn't actually ask you that? Well, with how long you've been going lately, I don't know if I'll be able to make it through the whole stream because I got to open the store tomorrow. Well, granted that it's six hours before midnight, so there's still quite a while left. I can probably jump off and grab something to eat in an hour or two. It could probably stay a while. I imagine we'll need another... I'm not even going to make a guess. Every time I make a guess, there's a tall comment about it.  It's like five hours later. It's like, yeah, I don't know. I just guess stuff. I mean, we're only three hours in and we got left to... We made it seven minutes into Jenny's video. I don't know if we can finish this video. I mean, well, this is the thing. I was hoping to cover Cinema Roberto today, but we're not going to be able to. We're going to have to struggle to get through Jenny's alone. Christ, she's really bad. We are falling behind on you. In fact, we've got so many videos to cover and the reason why I'm stressed about it is like, episode nine is going to come out. We're going to get like 20 terrible video essays within a week. I should probably mention I won't be here for the initial episode nine stream because I'll be out of state four days after it comes out. We will have so many streams about episode nine, I'm sure of it. Dude, just writes video on episode nine. I can't wait to see what he's going to say. Like, I wonder what his arguments will be. And I say this, swap his name out with Cinema Roberto with Patrick Willems. Jacksley, Eric Texan. Quinton Reviews. It's going to be so great. It's like the encore for TLJ. It's like, here it comes, guys. Let's get ready for the next roller coaster because we know what it's like this time. We went on it brand new before, but this time. You know, we've only literally got two months, less than two months. Oh, yeah, Sean as well. Man, that's not even mentioning. I'm probably going to be infuriated by Dr. Sleep. I know you won't really have any. Well, I want to watch it so that we can at least talk about it, but there is a good chance that I end up being like, either that it's fine or that I like it, and I just have no reference for the book. I mean, from what I've seen from the trailers, I'm like 99 percent positive.  I can't wait to watch the videos that say episode nine ruined TLJ. Honestly, that's like. That would be so much fun. That is pure brain juice pumped, right? It just like hilarity and critical thinking obliterated into fireworks. It'll just what if what if just right makes that video? I hope he makes that video. Somebody's got to make that video. Like JJ ruined Ryan's vision. It's going to happen. I guess I should. I guess I should talk about the thing. Okay. I don't know which thing in particular you're talking about. But what type? What you mean? I don't know what you're actually referring to. What? You were the one that brought it up. What? TLJ. Another thing. You keep just type it type what the thing is. Because I've told you can't talk about porn live. Like they get all thinking about it. Yeah. If you want it, it's completely up to you, man. Okay. So I made a channel. I don't know. I don't have any way for doing a thing.  Can I not undo that shit? I'm sorry. Chaos Z.  I got to figure out how to undo that.  Literally the best time. Because I tried to do the spam guy. Well here's the thing. Because you have to go all the way to the right of the screen to bring the drop-down menu where the words and the text aren't. And I guess I was up a little bit.  I got to figure out how to get chaos back here. So Wolf, I think you may have been saying something of some kind. I don't know what it was. Would you like to say again? Uh, okay. So I made a couple videos on a new channel. I don't have any plans for future stuff. And I should mention as well, I'm not going to be back on YouTube to the same capacity that I was before I left. Like I won't be on eFap for every episode.  So don't expect that I'm back back. It's like I'm around. That's the the best way I can put it. Another. It's just like, yeah, I made a couple things. You could see them channels called of writing and rage. Made a video on Joker. I just uploaded a video on Watchmen. So that's a thing. So there you go. But like I said, don't don't expect like me to be like uploading a ton of stuff like constantly or to be on the show here constantly. Just hanging around mostly. Well, then do you want to like, so what made you want to make that first video about Joker?  Mm hmm. And I really, really, really hate Watchmen. And I hated all the good things that media says about it. Watchmen is awful. I mean, the video I made on it is only about the first episode. The second episode, I'd say it's probably better than the first, only in the sense that it doesn't destroy as much as the first one did. But yeah, that's a that's a thing that's that's there. Yeah, there's that. It is now in the description. And yeah, you can catch obviously a link in the in the channel or just type of writing and rage. I think writing and rage. Just those two words put together actually pull up the channel. So there you go. And I guess there's there's over an hour's worth of content already on there.  And don't don't make any expectations or rush of any kind. I guess you can expect a doctor sleep video if it's as bad as I'm positive it's going to be. But oh, yeah, I will definitely not be around next week because I'm going to a tool concert. So there you go that weekend. And then yeah, I think you'll want to you'll you'll definitely want to be jumping on. And you have to at least talk about Star Wars episode nine, at least once. Yeah, like I said, I'll be out of I'll be out west for the week before Christmas. I won't be getting back until late Christmas Eve. So at the absolute earliest, I can probably watch it Christmas day. But more likely the day after that. So I won't be on for that initial stream. So don't expect that. Yeah, we'll try and let everyone know what the plans are for the first episode nine stream. But we don't even know yet because lots of rigmarole who to have guests and when everyone's seeing it. I just want to make sure that people know like don't don't set your expectations that it's like I'm back and going to be super active and all that shits. That's just want to make that clear. Apparently we're congratulating you on passing 500 subs. Well, congratulations. But yeah, either way, you'll have plenty to watch and both now and after the episode is completely up to you folks. But it's everyone happy to go back to Jenny talking about how Joker is kind of a kind of a not so great film. When you say happy. Oh, I mean happy in the the lift rest Nick definition. You probably not heard of them. They define it as sad lift rest Nick. I made that up. I didn't it's not from anything. If you try to figure out the code, no, no, I'm I'm aware. I'm just trying to think of how you even came up with it. It's inspired by thinking about several fictional monsters slash species or place names and then trying to combine them. Well, yeah, you say lift stress, Nick, which almost sounds like something that might exist. And if I was to come up with something like some random word that doesn't exist, I'd probably go like, yeah, yeah, in which case it's the scourge of Mount. Yeah, I'm not quite good with thinking on the fly. That's such a strange name for a mountain. We are going to mount across the planes of. Across the planes of. I mean, I'd watch it. We need that version of the Lord of the Rings. All the badass names are just replaced with guttural sounds. The minds of. I was going to say Balrog of that change there. I was like, oh, it'll be both. It'll be all of these names. Aren't as intimidating.  Someone's going to clip this specific part of the stream and post it and be like, see, these people are retarded. And they said, Jenny, and I wouldn't correct them on that. I'd be like, mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm proud. Anyway, is your channel name and of Beauty and Rage album reference? Oh, I'm so far. I okay. Evan Kowalski. I'm so happy that you actually got that reference. It's my favorite red album. Damn. I actually thought that it was more of a reference of Mice of Men. No, no. It's when I was trying to think of it, I'm trying to think of a channel name. I was like, because I wanted writing to be a part of it. And it's like, well, what do I do? And then I was just listening to red one day and I was like, oh. Of Beauty and Rage? Of Writing and Rage? There we go. Writing in red. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Is that your favorite color? Red? Yeah. No. Okay. What is your favorite color, everyone? Blue. Um, let's say olive. I like a couple. No, beige. Probably blue. Weird grape. Weird grape, weird grape color. I'm, uh, I like duller tones. Beiges. Because you are dull rags. Safe round children. All right. Yeah, fair enough. Anyway, can we finally let the female speak?  Smoking and looking seriously at a wall. Shot of Arthur dancing in slow-mo, but you play violin music over it. Also, a scene of a man dancing doesn't automatically become poignant just because you slow it down and put spooky violins over it, especially when you do it more than once. And by the third or fourth time, it starts to just feel tiresome. Like this could have been a half-hour movie for how little ground it could.   If you actually cut out every scene in which there is dancing, how much do you think you lose from the film? Four minutes? Oh, you'd lose that beautiful shot at the end of the movie? Well, it did, yeah. With that really great scoring? It's not thematically good, all right? So it's not good. The theme is both. It doesn't matter what they are. This is unhappy time. What did I call it again? I forgot. For some reason, my brain's going to lethargy, which is not what you said. Lethargy. Someone in chat will remember how you can do it. Remind me of my tisms. I would probably say lethargy. If I saw it. All right, let's stand. Lift tresnick. Lift tresnick, that's it. I can't believe. How did someone even remember that? They probably very invested in the idea of the lift tresnick race. They remembered. Oh, my God, there's going to be a lift tresnick meme, so. I hope so. That works. Okay, hold up. Before I go farther, let me just, like, break down what I liked really quickly. I have a couple nods to the famous Joker story. I think this was all in the killing joke where he says that anyone can go crazy if they just have one comically, exaggeratedly, monumentally bad day. They even have Arthur say at one point, I'm having a bad day. So, you know, that's all there. I know it's not. Is that a reference to the comic? Because most of the time, most of the time when I say I'm having a bad day, it just means my day was shitty. I'm fine with it being a reference to the comic. I don't think it matters either way. Sure, I, I just feel like that's really the. Well, I will say I have a friend that I went to see the movie with who is bigger into comics than I am. And he said that there were a few references to the killing joke that you thought were pretty good. He didn't really elaborate. I didn't ask because I don't know anything about the killing joke. So, as far as I'm aware, I think there are some references in there. I just can't really name them off the top of my head because I don't know anything about it. Yeah, maybe. I certainly, even if I read the comics, I probably would have been like, oh yeah, he said that because he's having a bad day. I don't know if I liked it. I noticed it. I liked this one sequence where Arthur goes to a movie house and they're watching this old Charlie Chaplin movie. I think it's the famous one that's like set in the Great Depression and he's like a downtrodden factory worker. And there's like this major plot point where he keeps accidentally inciting these riots or uprisings. I think there's a major part where he says that he'd rather be in jail. Like it's a comedic thing where he's trying to get thrown back in jail because the living conditions there are better than they are outside. So as you've probably noticed, there are enough overt big plot echoes between the two stories that that's kind of cool. Unfortunately, if you want to look to that Charlie Chaplin movie as like an actual indicator of theme, it doesn't really work because like it is a comedy. It has a happy ending. Oh, does that mean it doesn't work? Probably sick, Jenny. Is that, what are your rules for themes exactly? Lord. Well, even though this can be directly compared to the events in the film, it doesn't really work thematically because that's a comedy. Do you remember how Rags we were talking about? Which is weird because Joker says I realized my life's a comedy, which makes it work doubly well. No, no, no, just doesn't wait. So remember how you noted that there was a reference to the fly in Emperor's New Groove? Yeah. And I noted that there's a huge reference to the fly in The Simpsons. Emperor's New Groove and The Simpsons are comedic and they are intended for children. The fly, not so much. Not so much. So the reference doesn't really work in those. It just doesn't really work because that's how that works. It doesn't match them thematically and it's a tonal difference. Therefore, that's just how that works. Sorry, folks.  And then she says, but it's a comedy. So it can't work. Like, what are you... The film is still making a point whether it's a comedy or not. This is... There's so much to unpack with that statement and she's so sure of herself. I'm still waiting for Jeb Bush to poke his head out of the porch. We need Jeb at this point. We need Jeb at this point. Are you sure about that? We need Jeb. I don't even want him to say anything. I just want him to slowly poke his head out in stare at her with a very concerned expression. Can someone photoshop that, please? Like, just take this image on the screen right now and just photoshop the porch's mouth open with Jeb's head coming out staring at her. Every time she has a poor take on Joker, he slowly slips out looking concerned. You just see the little glint in the barely open mouth of the porch. And if anyone is like a super talented editor, please make that a video. Oh, and someone's asking, what is the reference to Nebra's new groove? I'm not sure of myself because I haven't seen the movie recently, but Rags, what did you say it was? It was when he first became a llama and he fell in the woods and there was the fly that was flying around and it got stuck in the web and it goes, help me, help me. And then the spider eats it. Yeah, that would be it. That's referencing, sorry, not necessarily the fly of 1958. It's referencing the old one, not the Jeff Goldblum one, but the old one is still, I wouldn't say suitable for children. But yeah, it's just interesting stuff.   I think it's just him, like getting a girlfriend and going to make things work in the real world. So it's not like a one-one correlation. I just think it's kind of cool to reference an old movie. But I don't think it necessarily tied the whole thing together. I don't know that it was intended to. What is the point of this? She's delving into the mechanics of a movie that he watches in the movie that shares similarities but not 100% and totally doesn't match. Okay. I like that they had an old movie, but it's okay. All right then, I guess. Sure. She's a strange person. Someone concluding from this. I don't know. I'd call it like a little half baked, which isn't to say that it doesn't get points. It gets like exactly half points. It's half baked, you know. A half baked chocolate chip cookie is... I don't know what it means to get half points from you, Jenny. Half baked chocolate chip cookie. Yeah, you like TLJ. What is half points from you? That was full points for TLJ, so what you want is no points from it. Yeah. That's what you're aiming for. Still pretty good. I really like the color scheme of the Joker's outfit. I'm sorry, everyone in the chat's putting Jeb in front of famous people. Jeb Riebstein. Jeb Riebstein. Jeb Bridges. Jeb Connor. Jeb Porcstein. Jeb Skywalker. Jeb Riebstein. Jeb Goldbloom. Jeb Riebstein. Jeb Christ. Oh, yeah. Judea. I still like Jeb Neve Nicholson. Jeb Neve. Jeb Wahlberg. Judea. Jeb Wahlberg. Jeb Hitler. Jeb Stallone. Kick Jeb. Jeb of the Rings. Jeb Mussolini. Jeb Stallone. Jeb Jobe. Two Jeb, two Jebrias. We got Kylo Jeb. That's a good one. Jeb Phoenix. Jebo Jagans. Jeb Baker. Jeb Genesis. Jeb of the Hutt. Jeb of the... Angry Jeb. Jeb Stallone. Jeb for Aniston. Jeb looks out of the great. Jeb looks out of the great. Okay, we need a... We need a bail when drawing a Jeb. Jeb R.R. Tolkien. Jeb Fumic. Yeah, we got... Let's see what else we got. Jeb Fumic. Jeb Fumicana. Hey. Jeb FK. Yeah. Jeb Clinton. Jeb Zadong. Jeb's is Christ. Jeb Jeb Abrams. Jebler. Jeb Snow. There we go. You just take all these piss now. These things become extremely lame. Obi Jeb Kenobi. Jeb is Christ. Jeb Goldbloom. Jeb Shapiro. Jeb Trump. Jeb XC. Jeb Nicholson. Jeb Jeb... Oh, no. Jeb Alt of Rivia. Oh, God. J.J. Jeb. Jeb Sama Bin Laden. Jeb Sama. Jeb Akin and Jeb Walker. Oh, I think it's the best about this, the idea that... Jeb Baca.  He's like, oh, they're talking about Joker. Okay, I'll check this out. Like, randomly, he just sees this. Alternative... Alternatively, Osama Jeb Laden. Jeb Jeb Banks. Jeb Laden. Jeb Laden. Attila the Jeb. Jeb Kerr. Oh, no. Jeb Obama. This is your fault. Your fault, Jenny. Yeah, Jeb Abolector. Of writing in Jeb. Of writing in Jeb. Oh, she changed my channel name. Jebediah Smith. Jebediah Smith. Oh, this is great. Uh... Jeb Muff Tarkin. Do you Schwartz inward? Jeb Rogan. Jeb Jones. Jeb Genesis. The last Jebi. Jeb the Ripper. Of Mice and Jeb. Buffy the Jeb. Buffy the Jeb. Dwayne Jebrock. I love that they cut Slayer out of that, too. They're just like, Buffy the Jeb.  He's just the Jeb. An unbridled Jeb. Jeb Partner. Jeb Stark. This is the tale of Captain Jeb Sparrow. Angry Jeb. Algebon. The Jeb Awakens. Count Jebula. Oh, man. Jeb Pokerson. Jeb Palpatine. Every frame of Jeb. Jebole and Jeb. Jeb is a mess. The Big Jeblowsky. Jebarous. Jeb Tarion. Medea and Jeb. Jeb off, Jitler. Jebwick. The Lion, the Witch, and the Jeb. Oh, my God. Jeb and Jenny. Jeb Awakens. Jeb Awakens. I love that they cut Slayer out of that, too. I love that they cut Slayer out of that, too. Jeb Awakens.  I think I just saw a no-country-for-old Jeb. Citizen Jeb. Two Jeb One Bush. Jeb Awakens. Jebron. You guys know the flies. Found an apple, right? Steve Jebs. Steve Jebs. The Jeb and the Stone. Oh, you know the Elven Lord of the Rings. Jebelous. Infinity Jeb. Detroit Become Jeb. Twelve Angry Jebs. Oh, my God. A SpongeBob Jeb. A Wrinkle and Jeb. Jeb and the Giant Peach. I would watch that so much. Ocean Jeb. Ocean Jeb. Avengers Age of Jeb. The Hateful Jeb. The Hateful Jebs. Oh, my goodness. Save my private Jeb. Tommy Jebso. The Jeb Element. Twelve Years of Jeb. Twelve Years of Jeb. Oh, God. 2,000 Jebs under the sea. Full Metal Jeb. Jeb Below. The Brady Jeb. Jeb and the Iron Man. So many films this works with. G.I. Jeb. Jeb and the Chocolate Fact. For 50 Shades of Jeb. Jurassic Jeb. The Father, the Son and the Jeb. 2,001 of Jeb Odyssey. What is Jeb short for something? It's such a bad name. The Fellowship of the Jeb. What's upon a time in Jebby Wood? Jeb Wood. Oh, Moby Jeb conspiracy. That's great. Jeb Man versus Terminator Dark Jeb. Oh, Jeb Jeb's Bizarre Adventure. Jeb Father. Oh, my goodness. Journey to the Center of the Jeb. Metal Gear Solid 3. Jeb Eater. Jeb Eat. It's going to win Jeb Unchained. Jeb Almighty. The Matrix Jeb Loaded. Jeb Loaded. Alien versus Jeb. Crouching Tiger Hidden Jeb. Oh, in Jeb we trust. Oh, my goodness. Terminator Jeb is Shaun of the Jeb. Shaun of the Jeb. Oh, no. It's not even Jeb of the Dead. It's just Shaun of the Jeb. A Song of Jeb and Jeb. Oh, no. Schindler's Jeb. Jeb. Jeb's Disleague. Red Jeb Redemption. This one's great. The Italian Jeb. The Walking Jeb. Mission Impossible Jeb Protocol. A few good Jebs. Mary Potter and the Jeb. This is Jenny Nicholson episode. Shed, I'm so sorry. Is this the Jeb episode? Million dollars. It's just a picture of Jeb on the cover. Replace all the pictures of us being Jeb. Jeb Demic. The Jeb. The Jeb Mile. The Jeb and the Tri- I like how our chat is getting faster with these. I don't know what to actually read them. I have to stop it yet. Monty Python and the Holy Jeb. The League of Extraordinary Jebs. Inter-Jebler. A Fistful of Jebs. Curse of the Black Jeb. Oh my God. Monday Jeb. Oh my goodness. Jeb Finger. Oh my God. The Jeb Shank Redemption. Rise, Son of Jeb. Oh, Raiders of the Lost Jeb. I've got some... Slum Jeb Millionaire. I've collected some episode relevant memes. Okay. All right. Oh boy. Okay. No more Jebs. No more Jebs. No more Jebs. No more Jebs.  I appreciate the last temptation of Jeb. I appreciate Holy Jeb. 28 Jebs later. I appreciate Reservoir Jebs. Oh my God. And the Nightmare Before Jeb. They're all amazing. The Nightmare Before Jeb. So time immemorial until Jeb was... No, no. Jeb, I love him. Oh, Jeb. No, listen. We can't have any more Godzilla King of the Jebs. Okay. We angry you. Oh no. It's not a channel I wouldn't subscribe to. Oh, the Jack Saint one is sad. Oh, no. Shit.  This is Transformers... Is it Transformers 2? I don't know why Transformers are all... I think so, yeah. Oh, that's Megatron, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. We had a... Scary Jebs. The tail in the dark. More than one attempt at angry Jew. Angry Jew. That was a legit slip-up and it's become something. Are you sure about... Epstein didn't kill himself. What is in the Porg's eyes? I don't know. I can't tell. But I know they're... Is that Jeb? They're not right. Like the bottom part of it? Like it's... Yeah, it's Jeb in the middle. Are you sure about that? Epstein didn't kill himself. No, Trump is coming out of the eye at the bottom. Oh, it's Trump? Yeah, I don't know what's going on in the eye in the top, though. Yeah, I don't know either. Is that like a rally? It looks like hands up. Like it's a celebration. I can't tell. This is the... There's a couple of these we'll be having for the meme stream. This guy was just like animated memes that are drawn like in some kind of program. He like draws these out. Jeb for president. Why a clown? Jeb is watching that. Oh, Jeb. That's a good one. This is pretty good. Here's Jeb. Guess he's back, rags. Man, look at you.  I'm sure they're pretty strong. I like that, though. That's pretty good. It's good. It's awesome. We are not a furry podcast. The only reason I'm using this icon is because I don't have another one. It's great. It's great. And this was sent to me as well, which is pretty awesome. Oh, my goodness. Did someone actually do that?  That's awesome. That's amazing. That's amazing. And I think that's great. It gets better is three. Someone carved pumpkins. Oh, yeah.  I like that. I'm guessing the rice. He told me that this was going to happen before we started. This is insanity. Wow. No one's ever carved a pumpkin for me before. I've always been the one who got elected to carve out the pumpkin. You're the artist. He's like, no, I'm not. And you'll do it. That makes you the artist. And then. Oh, that's great. I love that. We got the Pikachu art on there. I think this is wonderful. My art will be in a certain booth in a certain anime convention in New York. Do you like certain arts? I don't know what that means. Also like certain art. I think let's not skip over the fact that the first thing he said was, my art will be in a certain booth at a certain anime convention. It just works so well because he's like, I like certain art. Whoa. Slow down there, buddy. Yeah, he deleted that video. So I guess he's he's erased it from memory. I wish I had it downloaded such a great video. Yeah. I can't remember what it was called. Like is it subjective or whatever? Brown tables take. Good times. Anyway, back to Jenny. I was hoping there could be more memes. There's just episode relevant memes. We've got about a thousand memes to come.  How many episodes did you go? Did you go without doing memes? Many. Like four. Really? Many. Why'd you go that long without seeing them? Well, it was on Pippus. Yeah. We had guests who just like would be sitting there doing nothing while looking at these insane memes. But we'll take care of it. It's going to be fine. We'll take care of it. We're all good. Things are great. Everything is great. We're going to listen to Jenny talking about jokes. You guys have betrayed the audience.  Oh, they will be untrained. They will be untrained soon enough. Untra... That sounds... Look it up. I don't know if I want to be funny. Untrained to find us the opposite of betrayed. I don't know about that. 110,000 percent. This particular color scheme is lifted from some already existing incarnation of the Joker. But it's not familiar to me, I don't think. I'm used to like purple and green. So I thought it was good. Also, I'm going to praise the thing that everybody is praising that Joaquin Phoenix's performance is really good. It was really good. There's not a lot to say about that. Now, did Movie Bob say it was good or bad? The film was a whole. Or was he half and half? Did he say something to the effect of like he works well with the material he has? Something like that. Something really condescending like that.  Trying to think if anyone actually has. I don't think I've heard that yet. I mean, yeah, it's just not the position.  There are definitely people who say it. I just can't put a name to them at the moment. That's the thing. I think that's why we assumed it was Movie Bob. Like it's an insane take. Who was it? It's like, might have been Movie Bob. Oh, yeah. That's the thing. They're all nuts. Kind of social disorder and not just like a weird character. Someone in the chat actually pointed out his performance was really good. What's up with all this boring dancing? I guess she means the spoken portion of his performance. Everything else. I guess he danced well, but the dancing, I guess, didn't fit. Just her opinion, guys. Jesus Christ. Like Eddie Redmayne in the Fantastic Beasts movies. Sorry, I can't stop coming for the Fantastic Beasts movies. You can't stop coming for the Fantastic Beasts. I'm sorry. You must. I guess you heard it too. All right. If I listen, I'm really feel that way. I get hard to do, man. I totally get it. I just making sure I heard what I heard. But yeah, it's a strange thing to admit. Yeah, man. Go ahead. Whack it to the Fantastic Beasts. Do your thing. Do your thing. Everybody's entitled. Sure. Like Eddie Redmayne. Yeah, man. Doesn't doesn't hurt me. Sorry. I can't stop coming for the Fantastic Beasts movies. Oh, she did say it. That's so strange. I mean, all right.  Who knows what she meant? Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, but she had. Well, here's the thing. You said it live in an unscripted stream. Yeah, I guess. And then had to edit this and upload it. I guess. Hey, man. All right. And now I know what makes Ginny come. I guess. Fantastic Beasts. She can't stop coming to Fantastic Beasts. Listen, that might be a medical thing. I don't know. I feel you. Raising. Script as written. I actually also liked a lot of the character details you see of Arthur at the beginning, like the fact that he has a little laminated card that he hands to people about his condition and the scenes of him at the comedy club where he's trying to like sit at the back and write physical notes about what topic of joke is getting laughs because he just can't understand like the nuances of comedy and can't figure out how to relate to people. It's like your heart's beating. Pointed out that she probably meant coming at. Yeah, she forgot the at. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that her intention wasn't that. I just, I can't stop receiving intense sexual satisfaction from the idea of Harry Potter's magical beasts. Oh, Lord. Besides, we all know that I'm the I'm the fantastic. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, then again, that would just make what I thought she said make all the more sense. Totally agree with her. I'm in those scenes. I thought those were really good. Not related to coming to Fantastic Beasts. What she says about how she likes this scene is like, so how do you differentiate between why couldn't use all the things that she didn't like in these other scenes? How couldn't you apply those to this scene that she does like?  I don't know. It's like, why why does your criticism of the dancing scenes and the other scenes you didn't you didn't like? How come that doesn't also work with this scene in the comedy club? Like, I'm sure maybe she could come up with a reason. Maybe she elaborates on it. But if you were to ask me based on what I've heard so far, I wouldn't be able to tell you. Because every scene just seems to, there doesn't seem to be a standard here. There doesn't seem to be criteria to judge scenes or films on. Not a whole lot, no. Certainly not consistent. Scenes later that I think are going to be looked at is like his acting moments that I don't think indicate good acting. I think it's all in the subtle stuff at the beginning. But I'm sure everybody's going to be like, oh, that scene where he's smoking and staring at the wall or that scene where he's like contorting his body in a weird way. What do you think dancing is? So Jenny, most people probably reference just the the entire performance. That's what I seem to be seeing from most people. I've not seen anyone saying, oh man, hit me this best. Was that scene where he was smoking while staring at a wall? And I would reference obviously the scene standing on the car dancing with all the people riding on them. Or that scene after he killed Randall and he was just smiling sadistically at Gary. Such a great scene. I remember my first time watching that when Gary can't open the door, he goes over and I was like, oh man, I'm definitely going to kill him here. And then he unlocks it, opens it, and he's like Gary, and he closes it. And I was like, oh no.  And then he didn't. And then I felt so relieved for that. It was different for me.   But then he says you could go.  Why would he kill him? There's no reason you would kill him. And then when he gets it to close the door, I was like, I'm sure this is just, he's still letting him go. I'm sure. So let me ask you this question, Molyne Wolfe. Dude, did you feel more emotional attachment to Gary in that one scene than you did for Tyrion Lannister in season eight? Which midget did you have a bigger emotional advantage? Tyrion hasn't exactly been a good character since like before the last episode of season four. We're playing the game of best midget. And I need you to hear more about Gary. Interesting, interesting tidbit. The midget from Joker is in Game of Thrones for a couple of episodes. I don't know that. Where was he? He's the one in the play where they're playing out the Clash of Kings. Oh, where he plays as Tyrion? Yep, he's playing Tyrion in it. I wonder how he got that role. I don't know. They needed another midget. Oh, is that it? I just picked out the first one they found, I guess. Oh, okay. I guess. Okay. That's a racializing moment right there. You can't say that. Midgets are a race. Yes. They're from Planet New Becway. Is this Rags? It's like, no, there is nothing unfair about my question. And it's like contorting your body and doing exhausting things. Exhausting does not equal good acting. Doing exhausting things does not equal good acting. All right. So what does equal good acting, Jenny? Okay, so we're just going to roll out all of the revenue. She's the advocate for acting, jumbling to hear it out. I find that fascinating. Like, he needs to come across as unhinged and relatively like his body is, I don't know, I wouldn't go as far as saying crippled, but altered due to a life of having been beaten when he was much younger. That's seen pretty early on when he's like messing with the shoe at the clown agency and you get that shot from his back where he just looks twisted and long. It's a great shot. It's almost like beneath the surface. You can kind of see how.  And I'm just saying, you're like, what does it mean then? Tell me. Sure. Oh, this is what I mean. I'm just like. It's like it's one of those things by itself I agree with. It's like, yeah, sure. Trying hard doesn't necessarily mean you did good, but what does that have to do with in relation to what you're saying? Can you like tie that to something? Someone said good acting is having your shirt awful. You're talking to Ray. That's true. Oh, no. And I think people conflate the two a lot. It's like that scene in Mamma Mia where Meryl Streep is doing the winner takes it all. Um, what? I don't see how the action actually. That's bad. I guess it's strange. It's like she doesn't know what to do. It's like the scene kept going on way longer than she anticipated. And she has like, I got to do something with my hands. It's weird. She's singing. It's like a whole different parameter for a judgment. Little odd. She's saying like a hand movement.  Yeah, I guess she's trying to make the comparison that Meryl Streep's really trying in this scene, but that doesn't mean she does a good job. But like, let's assume she's saying you see these awkward movements. It's like Joker does that too. I'd be like, you do get these two on the same characters, right? In the same experiences. I just, okay, that's where I'm at right now. I'm just like, okay, that's like the. Okay. I mean, I like, thanks for referencing Mama Mia, a film that many of us have definitely seen. Have either of you guys seen it? No, I think I've heard of it, but I just watched it. Oh, like, is this a sequel? There's that Abba song. I know. I just know there's an Abba song called Mama Mia. And then like Mario says it or something. That's all of your files on that in total.  This is a full rabbit. Back in the folder. She's just flailing her arms and her scarf everywhere.  Like whaling out the song. And that was a well received performance. Everybody's like, wow, she really went for it on that song. And it's like, okay. Man, Meryl running up the stairs. That was me. Am I missing something? I guess. I was supposed to be getting from this. I used to think that my life was a tragedy. Why? This is weird. I guess this is a joke. Please. I guess because these don't match. Chat. What do you think? I'm left confused. All right. Now I realize it's a comedy. This is bizarre. So yeah, is it supposed? Is is her point that it's supposed to fit? Is this is supposed to be absolutely nothing like the movie? Is it just a weird joke based on the passing comment? Yeah, because I feel that it only if anything, it only matches up coincidentally at times. Well, she's done. She's cut this deliberately. Like whenever there's a thump, this character does something. It's like it does with every trailer ever. But I don't. Like I think I'm maybe reading too much into this. Just supposed to be lofted at in which case I'm like, oh. Yeah. I guess my comedy level wasn't worth it. Maybe we've become too cynical. I guess. Our hearts have crusted over. I'm sorry, but the shot of her and the overalls, it reminds me of that scene right at the very beginning. Tropic Thunder where they're playing like the the trailers and there's the simple Jack trailer. What a reference. I don't know why it made me think of that. But we were just talking about Tropic Thunder yesterday. It's weird that you'd bring that up. That is actually really weird. Yeah, we did make a strange and then didn't you and Metal watch Tropic Thunder like five days ago? We should watch Tropic Thunder together.  It's honestly underrated. I'm going to go that far. Like I don't think enough people have seen and loved that film. A lot of people reference that don't never go full retard, but it's like that's like not even a lot of people don't even know that. That's where it's from. I imagine a lot of people like they know the reference. They don't know the actual film. How many people do you think really think that character is black? How many people do you think don't understand that that's actually didn't he make Iron Man one and Tropic Thunder in the same year? He made Iron Man one first, I believe. And then he made it like made Tropic Thunder really soon, like at least it released soon afterward. He was like, how awesome was it? Do we check 2008 for how good that was as a year? Because yeah, I mean, we went through every year from now until. Was that one of the stronger ones? I don't even remember if that was on the list from Google. Better, but I don't remember off the top of my head. But I mean, that's such a good. Tom Cruise's best role. Tom Cruise is amazing in that film. I genuinely didn't know it was Tom Cruise. I watched that movie like 30 times and it wasn't until you told me it was. Everybody's like, we are framing dragon. Okay, flaming dragon.  Yeah, I'll watch that again. That's great. All right, framing dragon. So what I'm saying is a similar performance, but no, I thought he was really good. That was that was just to file a claim whatsoever. Yeah, also you spent, you did all of that to be like, no, but it was great. Okay. All right, I guess. There even the end when I stopped liking the way Arthur was written and didn't think it was very consistent, you could feel walking Phoenix trying to like keep it together and feel like the same character. Like the fact that as he's giving his big grandiose speech on the talk show, walking Phoenix is still doing kind of a childish inflection. I thought that was really good. So thumbs up. What was that? His character was written inconsistently, but walking Phoenix was attempting to deliver it as though he's kind of like a child, which is good. So I'm stuck all the way back at so he's supposed to be delivering lines like a child. And the inconsistency is that he's delivering adult lines. So I don't agree with the premise or the conclusion there. Um. I got nothing. Yeah, I'm actually a little, I don't really, I don't know. All right, let's listen again. I don't know. So James is recommended to be listening in. To feel walking Phoenix trying to like keep it together and feel like the same character, like the fact that as he's giving his big grandiose speech on the talk show, walking Phoenix is still doing kind of a childish inflection. I thought that was really good. So thumbs up. No, I got nothing. I'm just going to carry on. I don't really know what she's trying to say with that one. It was good. But to go back to criticism as I kind of just hinted at, I didn't think there was enough of a through line for his character, the way it was written. And also this is a character study. So this question should be important, but what are Arthur's motivations?  I'm curious what she means by motivation for what to attempt to revolt his motivation to kill with the very. Essentially, it isn't so much his motivation. It's just that he doesn't want bad stuff to be constantly done to him. He doesn't want to be treated unfairly. It's not like he wants a lot of stuff. He's like he just doesn't want to be abused and mistreated. He's not political, not trying to make a statement, etc. So if he's to be believed, which I understand is conditional, what does he want? Our best glimpse. He wants satisfaction. He wants like personal satisfaction. The big part of that is just not having other people mistreat you. Yeah, to live in peace, essentially. To be acknowledged, recognized and left in something less than pain. He just wants like a normal person life as far as I know. He wants to make people happy and smile. He wants to make people happy. That's his motivation. He says it many times in the film. This is the thing. I think it's so rock bottom simplistic as a natural motivation that we all have that like people are struggling with it. That's why people relate to it so well. That's why normies love this movie. Well, yeah. When I say people, I meant some critics seem to be like unable to scratch at what it is. It is so almost fundamental. It is. It is something that I'm pretty obvious they're in all of the delusions, the fantasy sequences he has. We can glean from the praise other characters give him what he would like to be or to be perceived at. Yeah, comforted, appreciated. That's pretty much it. Yeah, that's your question. Again, and you're still on a loss. Okay, what do you want us to say? As he wants the talk show host he looks up to to validate him or almost be like a surrogate father. He wants people to say that he's funny, obviously, but there's one that's a little weird. This is the stand out. It's something that his love interest says on one of the dates that he's imagining between them. She looks at the newsstand and sees the headlines about all the riots that Arthur's been inspiring by shooting the Wall Street guys. And she's like, I think that guy's a hero. So that leads us to believe that Arthur wants to be seen as a hero. One would assume. Just for himself. There's a lot of ways you can discuss what's happening there. Yeah, I think. My initial take is that he's justifying what happened. He's just going to work as not concerning. It's not going to weigh on his conscience. He's got an imaginary. Can the footage be more bright? Fuck. It's a style. It's a style. But yeah, having her tell him that this person that's providing him loads of comfort to reassure him that he hasn't actually done that necessarily done anything wrong. That's that's big for him. So that suggests that he does want to start a movement. He's happy that that no did you miss the line? Do I look like the kind of one to start a movement? Oh, damn it. The video is blocked again. Which one? Oh, the Washington one. No, no, no, no. Not on the movie line. Um, yeah, I know she's saying that because in her in in Arthur's delusion of the girlfriend being there and describing the killer as a hero that technically he's describing himself that way. And thus he wants to start a movement. I think that's a jump in logic on that last bit. I've always seen that as him attempting to rationalize that he didn't actually do anything wrong. Not that he wants to start here and become a symbol for the people or anything.  What does it impact on the video? What is any other content used claim type impact on the video? There's no. What? Let me see. Oh, no way. Okay. So you got to look down claim type is the audio.   You always make things so much more difficult than they have to be. All right. Anyway, all right. Well, I mean, you saw the film yesterday. I figured you'd want to chime in. So oh, what are we talking about? So she's saying that in his in his delusion when he's discussing, he's looking at the the paper that's saying like the killer clown is partially inspiring, whatever that the the girlfriend describes. The person is kind of like a hero. She sees him that way or whatever. So we can infer that the Joker thinks of himself at that point, potentially as a hero. And thus that's proof that he wants to start a movement. No, that's him using her imagination or his imagination to justify his actions. That's right. Just to fight. Jenny, why are you? Why are you like this? Also, I know I shouldn't, but I can't help but do it. Hey, we got Jenny here. That happened even if it wasn't his initial goal. And he wants to be like a hero or influential. And I'm not saying it's bad that he contradicts this later. I get that he's crazy. That wasn't subtle. So sure, maybe he's not sure what he wants or he's being dishonest on the talk show. It's not a contradiction. This is the thing that all of these, you know, you could see your if he's talking to himself, he's calling himself a hero. And heroism isn't necessarily done for other people. He sees himself as a hero because he defended himself and he's justifying to himself that he did the right thing despite his nervousness. And she's jumped to it, meaning that he wants to be seen as a hero by the people, which is not necessarily like that through line is just not definitive at all. I mean, especially if it's a delusion when people say I'm a hero, they're like, yeah, to me. Someone said she has a poor sex doll. What do you expect? Isn't it literally called like a hero complex? Or is it something else? Now it's just a poor plush, I guess. I don't think he was talking about the poor Greggs. Hero syndrome. Well, yeah, anyway. So all of the dude bros who defend the movie and they're like, he said he's not political. Well, there are intact contradictions for that. God, dude bros. Yeah, dude bros.  Hey, rags, rags, bro. You see that Joker movie? That's weird. Dude bros can love it. Dude bros can love this drama, this mostly actionless drama about a single person struggling with mental illness. Dude bros can love Star Wars. Dude bros like superhero movies. Dude bros love Call of Duty. Dude bros can just be everything. No, dude bro can love TLJ because that's an intelligent movie. Oh, I guess, yeah.    Isn't the implication of calling someone a dude bro that they're unintelligent so they would like TLJ? I'd like to highlight this an inherently sexist statement.  What do you mean, you people, Jenny? If we use the email version of that, you call us a bunch of sexist. Someone said that the picture I'm using for my icon is the face she put when she comes over fantastic beats. Also, I've been made aware of Savia complex is probably what I was referencing, my bad. And yeah, sorry chat. But I don't really want to take your opinion seriously.  So all of the dude bros who defend the movie and they're like, he said he's not political. Well, there are in-text contradictions for that. I love how that directly counters what you just said as well. Wolf, when you first counted you like he says the thing, you're a dude bro and she counted you with in-text references. How do you feel? I guess I'm a dude bro.  So there in his fantasy. I'm sorry. Someone in the chat said dude bros can have vaginas. I'm totally doing dude. Oh no, no, he's back. He's back. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, in the months that I've been gone. Halo 4 did not suddenly become a good game. The preples did not suddenly become good movies. And Nickelback could not possibly be a good band. Even if you tried to judge it by like even if you judged it by angry Joe standards of judging media. No. Watch master and commander instead. That's I agree. But what an odd. No, it's just what Analyze said here in the super chat. I was just reading it. I was at Pospy. I was like, yeah, Dark Fate was an abomination. Watch master and commander instead. Like, oh yeah, I agree. I agree. An odd example, but it's certainly a good film. Instead, I don't know if that'll give you your modern action. It's definitely good. But yeah, OK. Yeah, it's definitely better than Dark Fate from what I hear. I've never seen it. His girlfriend says he's a hero. He even like smiles to himself. It's very obvious. And like he's telling himself that it's for Christ's sake. Why are you so narrow minded? How does the hallucination of his own mind is telling him something? He is talking to himself. How do you mean? The whole point because like right after the because he kills his mom, then he goes to her. Right. That's the chronology of events. So he when he kills his mom, he's like, no, this is just me. My life isn't a tragedy. It's a comedy. So when he accepts that, yeah, it's the voice in his head. He's just materializing it as a or I don't think materializing it is the correct word. I can't think of the words. Manifesting it. Sure. Yeah. His his justification manifests as that. As that is his girlfriend or fake girlfriend. And when after killing his mom, he's like, yeah, you're not real. But this is how I feel. This is it. This is what I am. Yeah. Certainly there's something to be said about the fact that he uses as a way to essentially be supportive of himself. Like that's the part of his head that once supports and it does manifest as a big thing. I'm wondering if she's just being deliberately obtuse about this. I don't know how she could possibly. I don't know. That's the thing with this movie. Can I point out she's focusing hard core on what we call a contradiction.  Yeah, you have to reach pretty hard. You have to reach hard to make it. It is at best extremely ambiguous. And we're not talking about how she didn't acknowledge like one contradiction in TLJ or something. It's like, no, that film is riddled. Like we haven't forgotten just how terrible it is. I haven't seen it in a while now, thankfully, but I'll be rewatching it before I see episode nine, which will be fun. We should watch all of the. We should just watch all of the Star Wars movies. I mean, I'm going to do that. Get my nice. It's like, all right, get through the of the prequels and then go. Oh, yeah, the the the originals and then go with everything else. Mola review her TLJ video rather than making cowardly side swipes at it. I don't think you know what those words mean. Yeah. How many we've covered a lot of TLJ. Like try again. You'll get there one day. We know he won't.  You have to let them think like they have a chance otherwise. Or no, not me. He's got like an Xbox avatars.  If that is what he wanted, I can't tell if it's an Xbox avatar.  You're right. Yeah. Sorry. That might be. Yeah. The Xbox ones. Yeah. Yeah. All the other ones called as avatars. They look. They look pretty similar. But yeah, that's what it looks like. He's a pro gamer. He's he has a pro gamer right there. He'll dunk. Did it all in his actions like he engaged with the mob in some other way than just breaking out of the cop car. Seemingly by coincidence in the middle of the mob. I just wish there was a straighter line between like. I'm sorry. Wait, no. I need to go back. Right. Well, hold on. Can you go back? It was reflected in all of his actions like he engaged with the mob in some other way than just breaking out of the cop car. Seemingly by coincidence. What do you mean breaking out of the cop car? He didn't break out of the cop car. They pulled him out. It was sloppy, but it was a rescue. They smashed a truck, they rammed a truck into the cop car killing the cop, driving it and severely injuring like I don't know, Arthur. And then they drag him out of the broken window and put him on the trunk in hopes that he'll get up. Yeah, they want to celebrate him. And this is what I mean about the whole like. Do you watch the movie? She's trying to argue. It's like the leader starting a movement, all this other stuff.  These people are worshiping him, appreciating him. He dances in front of them. Like, come on, she's like, she's doing it best to shove this into like one perspective. And she's just, this is so, what are you doing, Jenny? You're not even correctly referencing the film. It's one thing if you get something wrong every once in a while, like you just misremember it, but it's like, how could you possibly misremember that scene? The whole reason he has blood on his face to be able to paint that smile is because the truck crashed into the car. It was reflected in all of his actions, like he engaged with the mob in some other way than just breaking out of the cop car, seemingly by coincidence in the middle of the mob. Seemingly by coincidence. I can't believe she said that. I cannot believe this.  I don't, I don't even know what to say. Seemingly by coincidence. I am just, I am at a loss.  Sean said the messages in Joker, too obvious, proceeds to misinterpret everything. And then literally forget moments of the film. I'm just like, with movie Bob, I am almost certain he didn't see it. With Jenny, we're getting to the point where I'm like, did you actually watch it? Or did, maybe that's why you talk about the trailer, because that's all you saw. How? How? It is a, chat's right, it's a Jeb incidents. It is a Jeb incidents. That he Jeb escaped from the car. And then he proceeded to Jeban's on the hood. Oh my god. Oh my good. And then he asked the crowd, please clap. And they did. It's a complete Jeb incidents. You're right. The straighter line between like his actions and his motivations. Jebator. You know, like some kind of character study.  So he's not a supervillain. Unless maybe referring to like the typical character Joker, maybe she's not referring to this Joker. Because this Joker ain't a supervillain. I mean, it's the progression turning into the villain. He becomes the Joker at the end of the movie. Yeah. But he's not a supervillain in the movie. I mean, he's, he's definitely. He's killed people, but he's killed. One, two, three, right. One, two, three, four, five people. Mom Randall and the three guys in the subway. So it's like, yeah, killing five people is bad. Don't get me wrong. You're going to, it's going to take a holocaust or something to get you up to supervillain levels. Because the holocaust was bad. In your business. There's also a lie. I don't know. In your business. Two things that like make sense. You forgot Maree. How could you forget Maree? Yeah, that's true.  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you saying that Maree and the black woman at the end? Oh, in the nurse. The whole, the nurse lady's a maybe. Jeb of course. Nurse lady's a maybe. Jeb masturbation. Jeb masturbate, Jeb fellas. No, no, no, let's not start. No, we can't do this.  We can't go down. Judy, save us. Or that we approve of. We can't go down this Jeb at all. They have to at least make some kind of internal sense. And if they don't, then he's not a good character to be some movie around. Like if you're going to write this thing where the thing he wants is to be an entertainer or get public approval. It's not that hard to write a through line from that.  Yeah, like where were you? Like did you just go to a bathroom break for 90 minutes? What happened?  You could make it this whole media meta commentary. Like he kills those. As if there wasn't media meta commentary. There wasn't. Did you miss the long pan out showing all the beans that had them talking about what happened? Did she miss all the papers sensationalizing his killings? Did she miss the movie? Did she miss the the report? Genuinely beginning to wonder if she actually watched the movie or if someone just told her about it. It's like homecoming all over again. People just forget scenes exist in that film. They're just like, this doesn't happen. And you're like, well, what about the scene where that expressly happens? And like, oh, well. The awkward silence is like, oh. It's weird. It's it's like with the Joker, the people who don't like it. Just it's like they didn't watch it. Guys on the subway in self-defense. But then he sees that that's the first thing he's done that's gotten him positive attention. And then he's like, well, maybe that's what I should do. No, not kill everybody. That's not it. All he does it. No, it isn't kill everybody. Christ sake. Specifically, he kills the people in the subway. He explicitly says because they were awful to Murray. Because they awful.  He killed Ronald the Randall because Randall. I think it Ronald because Ronald's a clown.  He let Gary go because why do you think you let Gary go? He doesn't into. He isn't describing this hypothetical alternate route. And it's like you've turned him into a different character when you did this. This isn't him. He's not into killing everybody. That's not his point. Never was not his desire. It's like he can explicitly say I killed them because they were awful specifically to him.  It's like, no, why do you think he didn't just start indiscriminately shooting into the audience or into the other people as they fled or into the two people that were on the couch right next to him? Exactly.  They hadn't done anything to him. Psy, because I can't Psy anymore. Lissai. They even have this shot where he like kills the talk show host and then it shows all the TV monitors picking up the story of what he just did. She did see that. And it's like OMG, he's famous and fine. You know, it's some kind of heavy hand. It's like infamous, not famous. Suddenly it's heavy handed when that's what she was requesting. This doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Is it where, how do you, your your line, it is a knife's edge between too casual and too heavy handed for you, I guess. She's like, why not have X, Y and Z? We had X, which was too heavy handed. You're like, oh. No, right. Also, Ross sang in the chat. No rags. He killed them because they couldn't carry a tune to save their lives. That was a joke that he made about it. It wasn't real. I think he's making a joke. I think he would have shot a little faster. What? I do enjoy that comment, Rob. Golden is ever. Media, but the rest of the movie wasn't about that at all. This is the kind of bitch to thank Freudian for her food at night. Part of Arthur's motivation. So it's the point of that. So anyway, that's not a thing. Like Arthur notices the media coverage and he like smiles about it, but it doesn't drive any of his later actions. What are you? Okay, so.  That totally didn't inform anything, right? I wasn't informed by his actions. Yeah, it was the idea of the clown is one of laughter and joy, which is his, dare I say it, his motivation that he explicitly states multiple times in the video and in the movie. The coverage absolutely has an influence on what he does. Proceeding the events. He's literally hallucinating to himself about it. Remember his face when he sees the person with the clown mask after the subway event? You mean a driving past him in the car? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was pretty happy seeing that. Yep. Getting tiring because you listen to enough of these takes and then you're like, what was the movie I watched? I can't remember which scenes, which of the made up scenes from the reviewer has been mentioning, all the ones I actually saw even where. Yeah, man. Each subsequent time he kills people, it's for reasons totally unrelated to that. Usually just because they wronged him in some way. Only because she... Not usually. Not usually. Only because they wronged him in some way. Explicitly. Oh my god. Jenny, what are we doing? Stop it. And until the final kill, he's not trying to get attention for it. Usually it happens somewhere in private, and then he tries to hide that he's done it. That's what's frustrating about Arthur's descent into madness, is it doesn't really feel like a descent. It's more like a point A, point B, and point yent dancing in the middle. I can't show chat, but this is like my face after she did that. You guys can see it. Yeah, that's... You clearly put more work into writing that than like your review.  Well, remember what Chris Tuckman said about those people? Including himself. Like you got to respect these films, because what do we do?  It's like, oh my god. I was... The last break I took to pee and all that, got a little snack, and as I was having my snack, I was thinking, because you know, we're talking about Jenny and everything. I was thinking, man, when you think about it, reviewing games is way harder. Because let's just think about the time investment. You could watch a 90 minute movie four times, and it would be both cheaper and quicker than playing a video game. Yeah. And it's all, and it's all going to play out the exact same way. You don't have to try out all the modes. You don't have to make sure that you played enough to get a feel of everything. You don't have to make sure all the mechanics gel. I was like, man, like this is the, this is just the epitome of lazy, unsubstantive, heartless, soulless movie review. Well, again, I referenced the just right. You got all your Star Wars plushies in the background. I'm cool too, everybody. I like the Star Wars.   Like, I get it. Everyone can make mistakes. That's fine. I'm totally okay with that. But holy shit, when you get to this level, and it's all because you watched the movie come home, sit, record, and then move on when you're this influential, it's like, man. Because they, you know, a lot of people say that Cinema Sins is not only ruining criticism, but hurting like filmmakers to a degree, and influencing how films will be made going forward, like by making them focus heavily on logical consistency, which is abusing. But he didn't even do his job right for the most part. Oh, no. Not logical consistency, oh no. Well, I say who cares. What I guess I'm getting at is just accuracy, man. Like, Cinema Sins is better than this. Cinema Sins is better than this. And this is like, what movie is this? Yeah, I give you, because Cinema Sins actually has the movie playing. So a lot of the times he has to play the quotes and then criticize them. So he's usually tied further to the actual content. But yeah, you know, Jenny is one of the bigger tubers of this sort of approach. If Cinema Sins is right half the time, he's better than Jenny Nichols. Well, yeah, what does she said in this video that's, that has been strong in terms of takes? That the immersion of the time period was really good. That the sets and scenery. So the performance was good outside of doing physical things because that's not good acting, but everything else was fine, I guess, which I'll give her a tacit thumbs up on that statement. I don't really know what else to do with it. Yeah, but man. That's where we're at. But yeah, let's, I mean, what is EFAP for? Right. That's what is EFAP for? Why we got started the first episode. I wanted to look at how bad down with thrust was because he was kind of like a pinnacle of what represents everything that's wrong with review content on YouTube and how it's like turned to sludge. Yeah, I still love how that began. And we were like really trying to be aggressive toward him. Now we like worship him.  I saw that episode where he was like, I love pirates. He's like, I, I agree.  I went to search this channel. I typed it in totaled. Fuck. Down with the wood thrust. How does he do it these days? What does he put out? Five reasons why people are excited for World of Warcraft Classic. Oh, no, that was two months ago. Is he stopped? No, no. Is he made a poll? Hold on. We need to do, we need to put the show on hold to find out if he's made a post about this. Shit. That's his name. He hasn't, he hasn't left, has he? Let me check the Patreon. I love it. One of the top cards of the newest video is our Lord Total. Bless us with a heavenly video. Praise be. So he still makes Patreon. The last official tweet he made was in late August. He's replied to people since then, but... All right. Oh, no, his last Patreon update, Patreon update was on September 11th. Oh, no. What a disaster. What, did he mention anything about not making videos? Well, I don't know, it reminds me of that tragedy. Oh, no. Okay, it says, hi guys, how are you? I've decided to take down the Discord as there isn't as much activity on it these days. You guys can always reach me here or Discord directly if you want to chat or have questions. As you can tell from the channel page, I've been taking a break from video making. I'll be back shortly with some new styles of videos once I'm ready. Thanks for your support. Means a lot to me. Signed Tone. I'll be ready, Tonald. Guys, we're ready. Okay, go to atdownwardthrust on Twitter and just tweet him saying he loved him in one and back. Can't wait for the next video. Super ready for the next, you know, next thrust. Ready for your next thrust, Daddy. Well, I don't know if you say that, but... Yeah, I think that might scare him off. You gotta be careful. I tend to put a tweet, but I was like, I better not. I don't know. Yeah, say, you know, he's like, Hey, just make just checking in, making sure you're doing all right. I'm going to follow him and I'm going to tweet at him right now.  Please, Tonald. Don't. Okay. Don't tell me I love your videos. They've genuinely made my life happier. I hope you come back soon, Hart. I mean, I should do it. Send him some love. Do it on Twitter.  Do it on his latest video. Please. I have now retweeted that tweet. Absolutely. Please do. I'm going to paste it into the chat, guys. He is one of the greatest creators we've ever covered. I don't like the idea that he's going to be gone. We need him back. And for those in chat asking, no, sadly, I never got my monthly thrust. I never got a monthly thrust from Tonald Locke. Is there a bigger tragedy than that? I don't think so. Oh, yeah. That's worse than 9-11. We'll have to go look at old videos if we want to cover them again. That's not fair. I'm thinking so. I'm actually subscribing to what I need to know. I've been subscribed for a long time. I'm a $5 patron, man. Every year, at the end of the year, I will have given him 60 bucks.  What? Hey, that is a charitable donation for taxes. All right. I'm considering donating. I want him to make more things. I want him to be around.   Next time you cover a video from him, you need to tell me so that I can be here. Because I got to be honest. I was kind of like when I first covered him. I was like, he was a proto e-fap. Yeah, he was e-fap before e-fap. He was like tone low, guys. He's subject zero. They're pillars of e-fap, and he is one of them. So is Patrick Willems, I think. It's all built on. Yeah, man. He was the one who kind of, he was the one. He's subject zero. Like if he leaves, who knows who's next. Imagine Patrick Willems left before giving us more awful takes. That would be horrible. Yeah. No, that would actually be the best thing ever. Tonal stay. Patrick, you can leave. Okay. Yeah, I'll take time. Sorry, Jenny. We keep getting distracted.  What were you saying? Reaction to different catalysts often feels arbitrary and not like it's a gradual progression at all. Like one bad thing will happen and he'll respond violently. And then another equally bad thing will happen and he won't. It's first. What? Okay, so. An equally bad thing will happen and then it won't. He's assaulting something. Let's just go through the movie because she's wrong.  So that opening abuse scene, it's like, yeah, there wasn't much he was going to be able to do. Yeah, ambushed, hit by the sign instantly. Then if we fast forward to the next time he's abused, it's on the subway. He has a pistol at that point and he's lost his job. Everything is going terribly. It makes sense that he is now in a position, desperation and he has a weapon. Emotionally compromised, more so than ever at this point. Then when's the next time he takes abuse from there? I'm sorry. Which scene were we? So after he shoots the guys on the subway, when's the next time the author takes physical abuse from people? Chronologic physical abuse. I don't think they're, I mean, he gets tackled at the studio after he shoots Murray. Yeah. He's not really the one getting abused unless you count him, like, kind of getting run over by a car. And how the progression works there. Just listen to what she said again. Point A, point B, and point Yen to dancing in the middle. The Joker would like that. His reaction to different catalysts often feels arbitrary and not like it's a gradual progression at all. Like one bad thing will happen and he'll respond violently and then another equally bad thing will happen and he won't. It's fine.  So that is, that is the point that he will have, if she's correct, then he will return to that point for a lesser slight. So, he kills.  He was on the floor anyways. By the time he gets to him, Thomas Wayne would be within the range of life. Yeah, out. And Thomas Wayne's a bigger guy. And I don't know, maybe there was pretty pragmatic reason why he didn't try to do that, but I'm sorry. Emotionally, you've just been punched by the guy. You're pretty sure his dad after being revealed that you're adopted by your mother? Yeah. He's dealing with some stuff. Let me see. So, where, I'm trying to think, where is his, how does he inconsistently respond to violence or wrongness done to him? Well, this is where I'm at right now. She's saying that sometimes he's violent, sometimes he's not. I'm just thinking like, what do you mean? Where, when? It's kind of, yeah. And also, he has to have the capability, right, to do it. Like in the subway, he had the capability, element of surprise with the gun. They attacked him first. He had the ability to exercise lethal force. So, in comparisons that are made to that scene, he has to be justified in doing it, in his perspective, certainly. But also, he has to have the means to do it. And I, I don't know. I, I don't, like, if I was trying, if she was on my team in like a debate and she had said that, and she was like, come on, Rags, you back me up. I'd be like, okay. Um, uh, you know, I'm legitimately trying to think here. So, yeah. No, no, no, there's got to be, there's got to be something, right?  I mean, surely there's something. No, she's not. She's just delusional. Come on now. All right.  So, his mom had abused him and allowed abuse to come to him. Which caused psychological damage for the rest of his life potentially. And she used him as, you know, as a tool and he killed her for that, which is consistent with what he's been doing. He kills Ronald McDonald when he comes to the apartment because, you know, he set him up. He got him in trouble. He's indirectly and directly caused for a lot of suffering that he has. Um, I guess if you have letting her go on, see if she has any kind of detail. Maybe, yeah. Frustrating to even try to articulate this because there's such an easy fallback for anyone trying to defend this movie against any criticism. They can just be like, he's not supposed to make sense. No, that's not what we said. That's not what we said, so. He definitely does make sense. He's not supposed to make sense.  We're talking about Joker. I mean, making sense and being justified and justifying things to yourself, those are, those are different things. I love how she can articulate the issues. And she's already anticipated that people will disagree for arbitrary reasons when it's not arbitrary at all. Like, come on, Jenny. I mean, if anything, the Joker is like a lawful, evil character in this movie. He's not just indiscriminately killing things or doing evil without a purpose or a function. You know, there is a system to what he's doing.  I'm assuming that would be lawful, evil. Back me up, chat. I'm not big on to the alignment thing. Let me know if that's right or not. But I don't, yeah, I don't know. It just seems like everything in the film makes sense. It all makes sense. It all fits together. Well, what we just argued was progression.  It doesn't make sense. So, like, no. Okay, no, it does. I guess now it's on you to argue how it doesn't make sense. Someone's saying chaotic good. To a degree, yes. Someone's saying lawful Jeb, I agree. Children have a lesser Jeb. Chaotic Jeb is key Jeb. He is lawful evil, but he is lawful good. That's the thing. Lawful, chaotic, neutral. He's the Joker. He is crazy. And it's like, well, yeah, but in a character study movie, it's only interesting if you're willing to actually study the character. We did. What did you do?  This is so frustrating. She's so convinced by the angle she's going from that she's arguing against somebody that agrees that those issues exist. But the justification is that he's crazy. She's like taking it like that is the case. Has she seen anyone say this? Like, come on. You know, like how we would slap back at Godzilla? We were actually referencing several comments we were being given and tweets. It wasn't just invented out of thin air because we don't like people who like Godzilla or something. Like, they didn't come out of nowhere. But she's just doing this thing. She's like, everyone's going to say he's just crazy.  If you just articulate your points a little bit better, that won't need to happen now, will it? I'm going to turn off my- She says that the Joker was responding inconsistently. Just give me two examples and tell me how there can't be an argument for progression. Well, give me several examples. That would be pretty great. That's all we try to do. Because all we have to get is some girl, just let's just hire a girl from a clown agency, put her on a bed, get a video recorded, get a big old paw in the background with a Jeb inside it, and then have her do the exact same thing she's doing, just in reverse. It was amazingly consistent. Everything was. And there's going to be people out there who are like, oh, it's not consistent because he's supposed to be crazy. And well, yeah, you can say that, but this is a character study, and so we have to understand him. Oh, look at that. If you don't have any references with the hell, you're just talking past each other. I don't know. People love this content still, so they're learning something from it. Did Rhett believe the room? He went to do something. No, no, I meant to watch together. Oh. I don't know. Because his name is not green anymore. It hasn't been green for a while though, so I think it's a glitch. That just hasn't been watching the video. He's just responding to what we're responding to. Alien versus Jeb, it's a requiem. Batman, the killing Jeb, Jeb Jelion, Jeb fiction. What are we doing? Are we doing this again? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Kind of emotional core or sense to what they're doing. If you want to design a character who just kind of does stuff that doesn't make sense, that's fine. But not if they're the focal point of a character. Why is that fine? I'm glad. Why is it that I'm happy movie reviewers? It should be the opposite. You cut out what he said. I was saying, I shouldn't be glad that movie reviewers aren't making movies. I should want movie reviewers to make movies. That's who you mean, right? And that's like, I wouldn't ever, like if, like would you let Jenna, Jenny Nicholson make the next Joker movie?  I want it to be good. As everyone said, she's like, it's OK to have a character that just does stuff, but he can't be the focal point.  Go away. She's like, OK. OK. Character study, because then you just don't have that much of a movie. This motivation issue for me really came to a head in the big talk show scene. He literally says multiple times, I want to make people laugh. I want to make people smile. I want to bring joy to the world. I just, this is, he explicitly says this multiple times. That's what he wants. And you're like, I just don't know his motivation. Like I, I don't know. I just, what more do you want? What more do you want, Jenny? What is it that you would like for the film to do? What would you like it to present to you to answer these questions that you have? Which I feel like is the scene that everybody's going to be talking about. I'm already irritated by this scene, because suddenly Arthur is like cool and confident and doesn't. No, he's definitely nervous. You can see it on his performance. And I love that scene so much. The fact that, I don't know if we've talked about this before, but just he's gearing himself up to kill himself and he can't do it because he keeps getting interrupted or told not to do the joke, or they're all still trying to laugh at him and it's just like, oh, the tension. The clock is ticking out this person.  And let's hear why it doesn't work. Really display his nervous laughter tick for much of it. And sure, that's supposed to convey that he's transformed or whatever. But an earlier scene goes out of its way to imply that Arthur isn't really mentally ill in like a brain chemistry kind of sense. And all of his psychological problems are implied to be strongly linked to this head trauma he received as a child when he was accused. All right, so, all right, Jenny, we're gonna do a, we're gonna play a, play, play a game here. All right, so what is inside? If you have head trauma, right? What is inside of your head? Don't ask me that question. It's a skull, it's a skull, a skull, a skull. Yeah, all right, good.  What is, what is that skull protecting? What's the, what's that? What, why is that skull shaped way? What's inside that skull? There's a hamster wheel inside the skull. Well, Jenny, Jenny here's got a hamster wheel in her skull. Except the hamster died quite a while ago.   I didn't follow that, that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sorry. All right, well. You guys start over from the beginning. Let's go back. What is inside of a head? Well, you said something about a skull too. What is that again? I know I said it too, but I don't really know. What about the hamster? I guess I'll just skip to the end, just so that the slowest can catch up.  He's got Jeb Bush running a wheel inside of his head. Someone needs to have like a side view of Jenny Nicholson and then in the next panel, you have like a zoom in on her head, except you can see inside and it says Jeb Bush jogging in his suit and everything. Just like pantsing, saying, please clap. Bail and get on with it. It's like I never, like the idea that it's a criticism of the movie that it isn't quite consistent, that he has mental issues due to his repeated head trauma. I'm like, maybe that's not what she, let's go again. I know it's tough, guys, but let's go again.  What else is there? Like no, like actually, what else is there in a foot chemistry kind of way? It's like what in an anal cavity kind of way?  What do you think mental illness is? Does she not understand what mental means? How did she make this video? How did she upload this?  It's like, what do you think your emotions are? Jesus. They come from the heart. Suddenly Arthur is like cool and confident and doesn't really display- Someone said the amount of psychic damage that she can inflict. Pick for much of it and sure that's supposed to convey that he's transformed or whatever. But an earlier scene goes out of its way to imply that Arthur isn't really mentally ill in like a brain chemistry kind of sense and all of his psychological problems are- These weird jump cuts. Yeah, I know. These bafflingly strange jump cuts are very strange. Like you can't say a couple words in a take. Just do the sentence. It's a sentence. Some of these I think she's just cutting out like breaths I guess. May I know some people do it where like I know when I've covered Riley. Riley will leave more space in between the words of the sentence than in between each sentence. And that takes a lot of minute editing to do for every sentence and it's super annoying and it's extremely- It's frustrating to listen to because people don't speak like that. I don't know why she's making these weird jump cuts and then again that's all secondary to the point of what do you think mental illness is? Also, what scene are you referring to? Also, how did you edit this video and not realize how often you contradict yourself? Am I if- Yeah, that's a good question for sure. I mean- I would be curious to know what scene she's referring to.  It's like as opposed to what other sense? Just like sheer physical trauma? Because he definitely- We know what that happens. He was beaten as a child pretty bad. Tied to the radiator. He was- He was graped in the mouth. That's a reference. That's a reference, kiddos. That's a deep reference. I don't even know how many people audience will understand that reference. I'm sure a lot of people know about the grapest. But uh- Yeah. Implied to be strongly linked to this head trauma he received as a child when he was abused by his mother's abusive boyfriend. Which, by the way, is framed as his mother's fault. So if this is all- She enabled it to happen. What do you do? In a sense, yeah, she is responsible because she allowed it to happen and didn't do anything. She also wasn't quite all there herself. She was not exactly the most friendly to him. Like she's like, you can't pursue your dream because you're not funny. Yeah. And she's not very supportive of him in that sense, you know. That's the thing, it's an interesting relationship. Yeah, she's very definitely not a healthy one. As a result of some kind of physical lesion in his brain, I don't understand how some kind of a-ha moment where he decides to be a murderer is going to suddenly cure his inability to present as normal in social settings. Why do you think it's just like this or that? There are plenty of people who are autistic or who have other social impairments or other conditions where they can present perfectly normally in most social scenarios. I'm very concerned that- Like he's clearly- He's capable enough to hold down a job and to make a paycheck. I'm very concerned that she sees what he did in the talk show as him being normal. I guess maybe she doesn't realize that after all of this time, like this is the end result of all the things that's happened to him. He wasn't like this, as shown by the scenes of the film.  But just to clarify- When he was abused by his mother's abusive boyfriend which, by the way, is framed as his mother's fault. So if this is all the result of some kind of physical lesion in his brain, I don't understand how some kind of a-ha moment where he decides to be a murderer is going to suddenly cure his inability to- He's also stopped taking his pills, his seven different medications. Yes, he doesn't get his medicine. He doesn't get his medicine. He doesn't have an effect on him. He even says that he feels better without the medicine. He feels more real. He feels better. He feels healed when he isn't taking his medicine. Gary and Randall even look at him weird when he says like, yeah, I'm not taking my meds anymore. I feel great. And they're like, oh. Yeah, that's odd.  And the Murray show is right after that. It's just so weird. And also, tell me how mental illness is supposed to work, Jenny. To present as normal in social settings. But anyway, this scene is where Arthur is basically saying his thesis to the audience. And it's a mess. It's all over the- You better justify that claim for fuck's sake. Write out the gate, Arthur. It's very heavy-handed. He comes out and sits on the couch and tells an inappropriate joke. It's like a mean-spirited knock-knock joke about someone's son dying in a drunk driving accident. And they've written in this pearl-clutching- Okay, all right, all right. So a moment ago, you were saying that it was bad that he presented himself as mostly socially normal in many situations.  And now you've just like almost back-to-back, completely flipped. And now, when it's the other way, it's heavy-handed. He told it. Well, yeah, this is the thing. She's saying, how is he so socially competent? And it's like, he told a joke that- She's also made a mistake here. I already see where she's going with it. She's got the pearl-clutching-old-woman criticism. I've got like three things to say at once. It's difficult to choose. First of all, the whole audience is upset. You remember that they're like, and then even Murray is like, you know, that's a- that kind of joke- He says that's not the kind of joke we do on this show. Yeah, it's not just the pearl-clutching-old-woman that's upset. Secondly, I'm going to reference Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I believe it was the Holy Grail. Could have been Life of Brian as well. But I think it was Life of Brian, actually, but they got in a lot of trouble on talk show.  And it like- That was Life of Brian for the most part because it had to deal with Christianity, sort of. So these people exist, they do it, especially when Murray's intention was to like- He's a laughing stock, this guy. And so like having someone who doesn't even- is a very prude person when it comes to comedy, it makes enough sense. But also the fact that, yeah, these people exist, I don't know. Do you think it's a convenience that that person is there? What do you think us YouTubers have to deal with all the time, people clutching their pearls at our offensive humor? And then just on top of that, it's just like, I thought he was supposed to be non-inept now, but apparently he's still not able to detect social cues.  Try again. Joke. It's like a mean-spirited knock-knock joke about someone's son dying in a drunk driving accident. And they've written in this pearl-clutching old lady character to sit next to Arthur, and it's so heavy-handed. She goes, you can't joke about that. Is she unaware of how many times that is said today you cannot joke about X?   Absolutely, yeah. This is just throughout time.  And it's like, oh, can't we? It's like, it's heavy-handed. At this point, I'm like, define heavy-handed, please. When you say heavy-handed, what are you referring to exactly? A person saying you can't joke about X. That's heavy-handed because that doesn't happen. Like, on what level of thematic, subjective, meta-narrative do you have to be on before it isn't heavy-handed anymore? Like, he's on a talk show. He's a guy who wants to be funny, who doesn't really understand humor, tells a joke that is offensive that people don't like. It's so straightforward to me. Mean, offensive thing to tell jokes about. And this was the worst moment. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't appropriate. It was offensive. Yeah, that wasn't appropriate. Especially for that, appa