Do do do do do do do do do! Do do do do do do do do do! Do do do do do do do do do! Do da da, do da da do do! Do do do do do do do do do! Psht! Do do do do do do do!  Preparing the. PCP. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the ProCracinators Podcast, I'm the best guy ever, and we've got some people here with me. We've got, we've got, we've got monkey jones.   Yeah. everybody, to insufferable social media argument the podcast. I am your host Digibro, and I'm joined by the Hippo Crit. And that's the end of the podcast, everybody. Thank you for watching this very concise podcast. We didn't need to say any words at all. So rude. Don't forget, our good friend, the Davoo is here. Well, I wanted to do that joke, and I didn't know who was going to say my name. I have a lot of shit-eating munch-blood-fuck-bitches podcast. Here is everybody. Yeah. So today's topic is a technical one that some of us are more familiar with than others, and it's writing concisely. You know what? I should have beat around the bush for like an hour before I got to saying that.   It did. It did.    I imagined he's like pacing in the back of his room whenever he's not talking, trying to think of what to say next. And then he bum rushes at the mic like, oh, it's time to go. Exactly. I think it was on podcast where I did munch-eating. So, Davoo, turn yourself up a little. I can't hear you. Hi, I'm close with the microphone now. Is that good? Yeah, that's good. Now it's sexy. I'll just keep looking at my waveform.  No, we have to be as unconcise as possible. This isn't even non-concise. This is just off topic completely. Totally irrelevant. Well, that is relevant to this point because I think people, when they think of concise, they don't exactly know what it means because when we talk about concise writing, it's about how quickly you can sort of make a point and like just clearly communicate your intentions without beating around the bush and stuff. Right. And there's a huge difference between going off topic or even being long-winded. You can be long-winded and concise, I think. I haven't looked at the definition of concise recently. I don't know if it has to be short. But for instance, I often get accused of by that anime snob. My hero. Yes, my hero.  And he often says that brevity is the soul of wit and stuff like that. Wow, he's so smart, dude. He's so smart. His videos are just 20-second segments from other people's videos. What does he even do? Well that's the thing is that he keeps his stuff so short that he never makes a point. And it's not that he's necessarily concise, it's just that he's brief. You know what? That's interesting because I just went to UrbanDictionary.com, our home base, to look up the definition of concise. It is relevant to this, so the full definition here is concise. To be brief but inclusive, able to sum up a topic succinctly without elaboration or superfluous detail. And so the point here is you have to be making a real point in order to be concise. And if that is lacking, then you're just being brief, I guess.  It's like the density of media. It's like the density of media. Exactly. It's the density of your topic. It's like whereas that anime snob will often try to, he'll take a lot of different points and make individual videos about all of them, I'll just put them all in one. It's not that my writing is not... So he's really being more concise. Yeah. I'm not being, I'm not not being concise, I'm just making a lot of points in a row. And that's what he doesn't seem to understand. There can be lots of, there can be lots of works out there that are really verbose and really long-winded, but don't come off like you're wasting your time as long as you're interested in all the material out there. You know what I mean?  It's good. It's long. But it's a whole lot of good. It's just that it's really hard for people to meaningfully fill large amounts of dialogue with actual interesting things to say. And like anime often, I'll see, like any show in series, I always talk about this. Like a show in series will start off with a lot of interesting things to say because all the thought goes into the premise of the show or the manga or whatever. And then like they just get away from that. Like I don't know. I think that's part of what makes like Hunter, Hunter special or even Yu-Haka show is that every battle is concise in those shows where like there's just a shit load of battles. Like you watch Yu-Haka show or Hunter, Hunter would always struck me about those shows is no fight ever lasts more than one episode. It's not true of early Yu-Haka show, but Hunter, Hunter and what's another show I was thinking of that did the same thing. Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. There's Artemis Fowl. There's certain shows where yeah, like a fight is always like at most an episode to an episode and a half and it doesn't give you time to get tired of it. It just gets in, shows off these cool powers and like makes the point and goes, you know.  But like, how is it long?  Right. Or is it long like Yu-Haka show where it keeps making new points? Well dude, there's two shows that I'm going to bring out as great examples of I think is as great concise writing. And one is of course, Gern Lagen, because so much happens every episode of Gern Lagen.  And the other one is High School of the Dead. And I really think High School of the Dead, you know, I made that me a mafia episode about it is really great. And I didn't talk about it as much, but that show definitely makes a point in every episode, every single episode.  But no, like it's real human drama. All these characters developing every single episode. You can see them changing and evolving over time. And like the directing is great. It's super hype. There's intense moments all the time. It's got, you know, the crazy fan service and action happening all the time. Really? Again, that's a show that does not waste a second of your time. You feel like you're learning something every time you're watching. I want to I want to say something about like Davoo was in playing that I know I'm playing it, saying it was a webcomic. Right? It's Homestuck. He's been reading. Well, could you could you say, despite its length, that Homestuck is concise? I would not.  It just wouldn't be nearly as funny. And you wouldn't get to know all the characters in New York. So yeah, I mean, like, because I'm toward the end of Act Five now, and it's like, it's like, what actually happens in Act Five gets summarized by the self insert vector in like a couple of pages. And it's like, OK, this is actually a pretty straightforward plot.  Yeah, the thing that I'm thinking of is like, it's not being brief, you know, it's different from just being brief. It's different from cutting things out. You know, like you could you could argue that a lot of the things in Homestuck that seem stupid eventually become relevant. So like how much like how much is I don't I don't get it.  I don't really understand it. I don't think like, I mean, it's essentially, as I explained, it's just like not it's a consistent presentation of new ideas as opposed to reiterating the same idea. Have you ever watched like Inuyasha or Ranma one half? No, any of that kind of shit? No. OK, well, you've seen Dragon Ball Z, right? I read it. I don't know if he has. I'm reading it's actually way better than watching it. So OK, well, there's like in Dragon Ball Z, for example, the classic thing is that like a single fight that maybe took out like a couple chapters in the manga like gets dragged out for like four. The classic things, the Frieza battles at the end of like the first arc of DBZ, like it takes like so many episodes for just and barely anything happens in those episodes. It is such a waste of your time to like actually sit through. Yeah, but that's the thing like that's why I'm thinking like Homestuck so much of it is so great and interesting and it's not. It doesn't feel like a waste of time. It's not like that. Homestuck is actually making like jokes. It goes on for so long and it goes through things like, you know, in case we weren't clear. Davoo was arguing that Homestuck was concise. Yeah, with good stuff. It's not concise with like a conventional normal like plot that you would understand as a normal thing.  I would argue that Homestuck does have moments where it does kind of just hammer on the same. Some of those conversations are like the exact same conversation you read earlier, you know, like there are moments where it's it does push it a little bit. But I do think the story has so much going on that like it deserves to be as long as it is. You know, it's appropriate to say that conciseness does not necessarily mean better in all cases, of course. Yeah, I would say that Homestuck really adds a lot of flavor by having like it is about a bunch of teenage drama stuff happening between kids. It makes sense that wouldn't be concise.  So, yeah. And like I said, it's about what it deserves. Like with Dragon Ball, like because the manga exists and everything, like we know Dragon Ball Z didn't need to be as long as it is. We know you could have told the same story. They made Kai improve that without a doubt. Yeah, exactly. Like we know you can do it without taking up that much time. So to me, that's what concise is. It's like, tell the story or write your thing, whatever you're doing, just do it in the smallest amount of time that you need. And that's, people don't understand that you do need some humanity in there. You need some extra. And like, I talked about this in my video about how I learned how to write Gooder, where I, in like 2010, I became obsessed with simplifying my writing.  Yeah. And so like, I, so I started going back in and adding in phrases and like adding in stuff that just, especially for my videos, stuff that just sounds right to somebody, like it engages your brain in a different way. Like you need to have some time listening. Like you know who are nice and concise? You know those videos Davoo keeps posting about like a robot obviously made this video? Yeah.  They really tell you the top 10 best water calls across the United States or whatever.  They're not that concise.  They'll just be like, number 12. Number 12, person who obstinately refused to tear down their house as Chinese highways are trying to be built. This person really stood up for themselves and didn't stand down to the man. Number 11, this guy really goes to show how much society can't progress when some people are stubborn.   Step one is you just learn how to basically do anything. You learn how to basically write, put together a little bit of music, put together a little bit of painting. It starts out small. And then as you get more ambitious and more skilled, you make something big and encumber some and bloated. And then you start learning how to refine your skills and you just get smaller and smaller until it's this perfect condensed ball that doesn't have much breathing room. And then you use your newfound perfection skill to just slowly weave stuff back out.  That's what art skill is. Yeah, yeah, like the whole earth. Yeah, the whole, the trees go like. That's very concisely put. That's good. I'm not meant to stay a while. It's either real or it's a dream. Somebody made me, oh, is that our good friend, a Ukrainian, the artist boy made a drawing of like someone when you were posting those pictures of, oh, I was gonna say, by the way, Digi's calling in live from Gaikon 2017. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Gaikon, cool. Because it was called Gaikon. You don't need to change it to Gaikon. Gaikon already sounds like a Gaikon. That's true. Is this Gaikon 3 or Gaikon 4?  It's great.   Anyway, let's get back to, so I don't know, why don't we talk about the way that we tried to be concise writers? I want to say one thing. Like we're saying that conciseness can be bad.  The thing that is way too concise. When Ben tells a story and cuts out all the interesting parts of it and just tells you the facts.   That's a good story, you know. That's a good story, you know. It was definitely too concise. Yeah, I mean, it's just that... Sorry, an arc storytelling, you know? Yeah, I spoke it all. I was going to say, like going off of what Nate said, if we're going to talk about how we are concise, do you want to talk first about art or about analysis? Because I think if there's a fan at home of the PCP, they're probably high school or college age, they have to write a lot of essays. And what's scary about being concise in an essay is you usually have, you know, you have to do eight pages.  Just worry about that later. Do you guys have any advice for that? All the high school is trying to teach you to do is just to get the basic discipline of typing shit out. It's only when you get into college that they start telling you to actually how to write good. School, the mediocre system of this world only wants you to have base level mediocre confidence by the time you're 18. And maybe if you work really hard and put all of your future life savings and do this degree, then you can be decent in your late 20s. I'll tell you, DeVoo, like, well, you know, I learned how to be concise because of an English teacher, but I was taking a, like that class was to learn how to be a better writer, and most college classes won't teach you that. They want you to learn how to write a college paper, which means pumping in as much frivolous bullshit as humanly possible to reach 50,000 words.  You will learn how to stretch things out. I learned how to do that back in high school. And here's my advice. If all they give you is a minimum word count, don't try to be concise ever.  What are you doing? What is that? It's Jesse here. Yeah, that's, I see- I am also in this episode, everyone. Yeah. Hello. I wasn't going to say anything, but Nate revealed me. You mute your mic so we don't hear you chewing. It sounds like you're eating tic-tacs. It sounds like you're just down in tic-tacs.  Jesse's always done that. That's great. Welcome to the procrastinator's podcast. Jesse on podcasts. He's always, like, flipping a screw around into other screws on his desk. I remember that.  White noise.   That's what I do.  Hey, I think you're the only person I know who's played Persona 5. Is it good? How's it going? It is good. It's pretty- Okay. Now that's a topic. Now that's a- Man, this is not the Persona 5 podcast. Persona 5 podcast. It could be. It could be, except that you're the only one who's played it. He's the only one who's played it. My favorite Persona is when in 8th Escape 3 you can turn into a knight. That's my favorite one. What was I talking about? Before we- I don't know. You're saying if they give you a minimum word count, you should be as level as possible.  If they give you a maximum word count, that's where you gotta start worrying about it. Cause that's why I learned to be concise is I had gotten so used to trying to pump as many words into a paper as possible and just, like, writing, you know, unhinged, whatever. At no point in my life ever had a maximum word count.  This teacher I had, he told us to write a story about a, what was it? It was like, write a story about a teacher who you learned something from or something.   Everybody write about me. This was like brand, it was the first paper we had right for the class. And it was something like that. I know that's what I wrote about. I don't know if that's what the topic was. But he said, like, 700 to 1,000 words. And I wrote, like, 1,300. And I turned, and I'm thinking, like, ha, I surpassed your word count, buddy. Like, I'm even better. I know 1,000 words, that's nothing to me. And he's like, no, I wanted this to be 700 to 1,000. Like, you went over, you need to go through this and, like, simplify it.  I got it down to, like, just over 1,000. And he reads it and he's like, there's still a lot of stuff in here. Like, he points out some stuff that's, like, unnecessary. And I was like, yeah, now that I think about it, that is unnecessary. And I work it down to, like, 700 words. And it was, like, a tight little piece. And it was much better. Like, I'm reading over it.  Ever, ever go to school. No one should ever do that. So yeah, like, the whole conciseness thing, there's not like any, like, it's not like some sort of magic different way that things can be good or bad. It's just a different lens of how to approach removing things that are not good and adding only things that are good. You know, I think that that's, I feel like that's part of what makes cartoons, Western cartoons, better now than they were, like, in the previous era, where a lot of cartoons would just have a lot of episodes that don't matter much. But then you see them as farmers.  No, I'm talking about, you're doing it backwards. All right, listen, for a couple of minutes, you have to all agree with me for the point to be made. So in shows now, like, adventure time, it feels like they're really trying to make only awesome stuff happen. Whereas I honestly feel like when I look at a lot of older shows, they're like, well, I guess this episode, something just kind of okay will happen. They're just really unambitious.  Yeah, just make only the cool stuff happen. Just try to cheat, you know? Just make a dessert that's nothing but chocolate and vanilla, you know?  Like sometimes you just want to see SpongeBob hang out at the Krabby Patty. Yeah, but do the best ones of that. Hang out at the Krabby Patty.  Right, right. Yeah, no, I totally agree with DeVoo on that point because that's what I've always struggled with with like a lot of longer shows is like, for instance, Ranma 1.5 as you brought up earlier as a show that's not at all concise.  It's 160 episodes. And the first 20 tell this really compelling romance story. And then the last, throughout the show, there's about 60 episodes that are great out of 160. Which is pretty good, I guess. There's about 96 that you should watch. And there's about 60 that you just shouldn't, you know? And it's because it'll just be. You have an actual post, right? Yeah, I made a watching guide for Ranma. Here's the minimum you should watch. Here's each different tier of episodes, essentially. And the ones that you shouldn't watch, it's because they just boil it down to basically flanderize the characters.  And all the movie consists of is the most basic idea of what each character is. Just using the most obnoxious running gags. It's kind of like the movie effect because movies are always afraid to challenge the status quo. So there will be no development in a lot of movies like that. And just not even doing anything with the characters. Cause like the best episodes of the show are where you see them change a little bit.   Like just like, what is this character known for? Oh, she always trips and falls in the main character and calls him a bakainu. You know, like that's something that has to happen every episode. So then you get a movie and it's just that. And it did it with like every character in the show, which there's a huge cast. So it's kind of a complete waste of time.  The first three seasons have like say, let's say 20 ideas. And then it's been like 50 seasons now and they're still just cycling through the same ideas for some reason. I just realized. Okay, but SpongeBob's a little different. The intro to this episode should be the preparing the Krabby Patty dramatic intro thing. Cause that's very unconcise. It's like just making you sit around waiting for the point. But that's the point. That's like anti-humor or something. I know it's great. That should be the intro. It's the same guys. Okay, okay. Tell that to whoever edits this. See whoever. Ben, I guess. Probably Ben. Okay, there you go. You and Ben are really fighting over this editing spot. This is good. Challenge Ben, make Ben into a real boy, please. Make him work for something in his life. Yeah, okay, cool.  Like, but they're completely focused on being, you know, sort of consumable pop entertainment that just brings you, I don't know. Like there's, you're not learning anything watching a SpongeBob episode about any of the characters. SpongeBob focuses on the 11 minutes of the episode rather than like a season long story arc. Yeah. So it's not really comparable to like Steve Universe or Adventure Time. I do think it's comparable. And I mean, like. You do think it is? I mean, Rambo and Half is the same story. Like it doesn't really have an ongoing plot. Well, it's that Rambo mixes in like that character development stuff. Cause there is like a thing where we're waiting for like relationship development. Honestly, the first 16 episodes of Ranma is all the development in the show. Like after episode 16, it just cuts off. And like, because the development that happens supposedly is just the same thing over and over again. It's just the characters realizing that, oh, maybe we do love each other, but then it goes back to status quo. I mean, I'm not as familiar with Ranma, but like. Well, here's a better example. Futurama, like there's certain episodes we all remember of Futurama. Either because they're the really dramatic ones or they're the ones that are so hilarious and like over the top of their concept and really did something unique and interesting.  And like no one remembers those ones.  I love almost everything about Futurama. And I think it's because again, it has a more comedic tone and it can get away. Like you're never going to be super disappointed when there's just a Futurama episode that's just, if it's just hilarious. Even the baseline of the show is pretty good. And like a show that I think is very close to All Killer No Filler is Rick and Morty. Right, for sure. Where like, you know, we've got two seasons and there's like maybe three episodes that I would be like, I don't know if I want to watch that one. If I was Marathon, I'm sure. I don't even know if I go that high. I don't think there are any. I'd love them all. I mean, I will rewatch all of them for sure. But like there's a couple that aren't as good as the other, like Raising, Gizorp, Gizorp, not as many people are going to watch that one again. That's true.  Let's always have it. So it's something you never thought of that's always gonna be like a little bit of a mind blow. Even when it like repeats like, you know, the whole marriage between Jerry and, what's the right name? Beth. Like Jerry and Beth's marriage has been, it's kind of beating a dead horse at this point, but they still find new things to do with it, you know? So like even though it's kind of status quoey, it's still like by the end of the episode, you'll be like, okay, I guess you earned that one. How specifically are you relating this to being concise? Well, just that I think that conciseness is about presenting new ideas. Like each, I think to repeat the same thing you already said is to not be concise. And like you can draw a parallel between this in like an analytical video where it's more immediate and in a long form TV show.  Even that stuff's not so much a problem. It's when they say like, when I first watched this show, I didn't think it was going to be good. But then after watching it, it turns out it was good. Literally filler, just get to the point, you like the show. The show is good. And I did this in, I showed, there's a video of how I edited the writing for my Kemono Friends video. Cause the original opening sentence was like, like if you just want to know whether or not I think this show is good, the answer to that is that yes, it is good. And so I cut all that out and wrote, Kemono Friends is good. And that's the edited version. And it literally conveys the exact same meaning. Like it doesn't add or subtract anything. It's just the same sentence, but with way fewer words. I remember Digi, there was a time when you used to edit out literally every single gap between any words you said, you know, any, any, any breasts that you, you would cut them out and you would delete them. And yeah, cause it became so dense with information that people, I mean, I'm not sure people had problems with it, but I did, it was a bit. I still do that. I just did it recently cause I just uploaded a, a big long ranting rambly podcast about Pirates of the Caribbean 5.  But I definitely, I went through meticulously and shortened the breaths and put the sentences closer to each other, like almost imperceptibly, like just like, you know, like half a second closer to each other, but when it's an entire podcast and you're doing that between every sentence, you might shave off a good, like half an hour of redundancy of just listening to me, like breathing between sentences. And to be clear, I mean, I still cut out all breaths and all everything. It's just that what Hippo's referring to is if you watch my old pony videos, the words literally run into each other. Like a sentence, there is no space. It will be like, like one word finishes. And like, I would edit it that way. I would edit it so the words literally ran into each other. And it's actually headache inducing to listen to like, like when the videos were like 15 minutes long and it was all like that. And I'd be going between different points with no transition or anything. And so it was like, it was hard to process. Even for me, like I'd listen to it back and be like getting a headache or something. I actually had an effect sometimes where I would feel suffocated because I don't hear any space to breathe.  I would actually feel like lost of breath listening to some of this episode's back. I couldn't get that but I'm listening to music. There's another review show that does, that's always done that to spectacular effect named that zero punctuation named after the gimmick. And you know, he just writes it around that gimmick. It's like almost every video is like 10 seconds of a point, 10 seconds of a joke. And it, it's like peanut butter and jelly is from one to the other constantly. So you can generally- And I think the fact that those are only five minutes long helps a lot. You can generally get all the point if just just empathize with your audience all the time. That's sort of a higher level skill in any art medium thing is being able to constantly simulate what it's gonna feel like to the person who this is for watching or reading it. Hey, you know who didn't do that in a big way? I didn't when I was making my Lucifer video. That video was not, it was too concise. That video was too concise. Too concise, there you go. Yeah, for sure. Too much information that I, when I was editing it in slow motion, I thought, okay, everyone's gonna be able to get this, gonna be able to read it, no problem. And it was not the case. That's the problem I've always had with, with like editors that, you know, the extra credits guys still do this occasionally, which really annoys me because I used to do it and I realized it was terrible is to have like a pun image on the screen.  Which relates to like a single word in a sentence. And then, you know, the viewer is then looking at this image thinking, wait, what's that got to do with it? Oh, I see. And then they've missed like the rest of the sentence in the style of the next one. I've done some of that and not liked it in the long run as well.  I hate them on every level imaginable. Anyway. When it comes to making my own things concise, I find it very difficult to imagine like when the writing is bad until I've recorded it and I'm listening to it and I'm like, okay, that sentence is stupid. I can cut that out because it doesn't sound right. It sounds like what I just said. So I can't read it very well. I'm not like a word guy.  I'm the same way, Gib. I do it the same way. I think perhaps the most important part of the writing process is to have somebody else read your work and tell you, yeah, you made this point like three paragraphs ago. Do you do that? I think you've talked about doing that, monkey. Definitely. All of my videos I do for my main channel, I have one of my friends like Asperger or somebody read through it and that kind of thing. It's really helpful. To have friends who are actually good, who could actually, I feel like 90% of people listening are gonna have friends who have no talent in this kind of thing at all and will never be good at all. And so listening to a part is a minimum thing. Well, I think anybody can read something. Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily, you have to be a linguist or whatever to know that something is not concise. If you just read it and you're like, I don't get this part that's weird and stupid, that's just what the viewer will think when they're listening to it. And DigiBro has told me that, in private he told me he loves it when fans send him work that they wrote and he loves to edit it for them and send it back. So go ahead and send that to him. Oh, right. You know, that's interesting, because I have a different mentality about it and it's probably not any better, but I have this weird fetishistic desire to be independent in everything I do or like have control over everything. So I never ask anyone for help. Well, you can always tell them that you don't agree with what they said. Like, oh yeah, I see your point, but I'm gonna keep it the way I wrote it. It's like an attitude where I don't want to ever have to rely on anyone's feedback ever. I want all the skills to be contained within me, but whatever, I mean, that's just a small thing. You got it. I mean, you can learn the skills by having some, sorry, like if you have a friend who can teach you those things and then you eventually learn it from them, then you will have the skill for yourself. Well, like, I mean, okay, that makes sense, but to me the way to do that is to make the video all the way. And like, if there's problems with it, okay, I'll fix it the next round. Yeah, I would do that too. I wouldn't give them like one paragraph and be like, is this okay? I'd give them the whole thing and be like, what's wrong with this? Well, what am I gonna do? I mean, what am I gonna do? Like send you my scripts and be like, Digi, is this concise? Tell me, what do you think? I don't want to do that. What's wrong with that?  That's a great thing to do. I guess because then it's not just mine anymore. Then someone else has their footprint on it. I know I've checked scripts for some of you. Not me, nigga. Before, but I don't know who. I think I made Hippo check one of mine one time. I know I've checked Hippo's stuff on his blog before. Incidentally, any of you guys could send me one. I'd be happy to do it if you ever wanted to buy one.  Here's the thing about that. Okay, go for it. Specifically is what I was gonna talk about is, I don't like the idea of giving anyone an entire script because then all my jokes are spoiled. And especially any of you guys, I don't want you guys to see my script and see what I'm going for. And then not be surprised and laugh at a joke.  But it's just, I like keeping cool things to surprise. And I don't really usually like asking for help for that reason. I mean, I get that, but it's spoiling it for one person to make it better for thousands.  Guys, that's true. But then again, I really care much more about what you guys think of my content than any of my audience, for sure. Of course. We are all on a map scale. We're all on a map scale. I don't know that I would trust any of you guys or anyone at all to like proofread like a YouTube video that I'm writing. Like if I'm writing a book or a novel, then yeah, I'm gonna look for an editor or someone who knows about books and novels.  I don't think anybody needs to touch yours because yours are perfect. Well, to be fair, Jesse is not as famous as we don't like him to be. And I'm sure there are some changes that Jesse could make or any of us could make. Oh no, the thing is what Nate was saying is that we want it to be our own thing. So if we make mistake, we wanna personally learn from that. And I guess asking for help, if you have like a very specific question, like sometimes I come into the chat saying, oh, I can't think of a word that means this because I just need a word. I need a word that describes something well. And yeah, there it is. Well, I think the direct advice from people is not the right idea 95% of the time unless you are like just, just, just starting out. Because really the best thing to do is just make it and then sense clues and tells and signs and subtleties from the reaction that people get. Like Digi all the time will explain how he tools his videos to cater to the way that people are reacting. But scarcely does that come in the form of just doing what people say they want. It comes in the form of analyzing their reaction and coming to new conclusions that they didn't even realize. That comes down to a lot of the classic, what was it, prego sauce thing? Oh yeah, the pasta sauce thing. It's a principle in economics about pasta sauce, about how like basically they were trying to find new ways to make pasta sauce and they like asked people what should we do and people gave suggestions and those didn't sell it all. Instead, they just made stuff up and gave it to an audience and the audience ended up liking it. And it just goes to show how the audience does not know what they want. Of course, of course not. They know whether they like it or not but they don't know what they want it to be. You're slightly confusing to Jimquisition videos. He has one about pasta sauce about a variety. I don't know if I've seen either. Then he has the other one about coffee where in focus group testing, if you do a forum, if you ask people directly what kind of coffee they want, they overwhelmingly say they want a rich dark roast because that makes you sound cool. But then if you actually observe buying habits people usually like a shitload of ice and milk and cream.  So like, when I, I mean, I will all the time ask people like, hey, what should I make a video about or something like that? But I never do anything that suggested to me. Like I'll ask, I'll ask like all the time. Like I'll go on Twitter and do like polls or like ask people and then not do any of it. And instead what I'm really trying to get is more of like just a sense of what people think I do. You know, like almost like, yeah. Understanding the nuances of what makes art good is sort of what we all specialize in and monkey parodies us for thinking we're so good at specializing in. Because, yeah, like, you know, I've experienced this.  And then everyone's like, that's not why it's good. It's good because good characters and the good music. It's got good music. That's why it's good.  I know what my audience thinks they want from me is like, go take, like just make another video about the next episode of Evangelion. You know, like, oh, there's got it. You talked about the first nine. There's got to be just as much to say about episode 10 or like take FLCL and break it down. We know there's a lot to say about FLCL because of course there is, you know. But like, is that actually going to be what they want when I make it? Or am I gonna go like? It's definitely like judging by like YouTube comments, it's clear that nobody knows how to scrutinize my work correctly, they all do it wrong. So I definitely, and I think that is not just applying to me, I think that probably applies to most people, I think that you should definitely cultivate the ability to scrutinize your own work before you, like you shouldn't have, you shouldn't depend on having other people do stuff for you. You are in the entertainment business. So if people are not appreciating on a large enough scale, at some point, the responsibility does fall to you. Right, but what he's saying is that you don't listen to what they say is wrong with it. Oh, of course not, right. They don't know anything about it. I mean like, I feel like when I'm going over my own writing and I'm, you know, editing it and taking out redundancies to make it into a video mode, I mean, I might make mistakes and a few redundancies might get by me even. But I would almost rather have my mistakes left in it than have someone else fix it and have their stamp on it. Yeah, you know, like whenever I've made like a mistake and like I would rather it be. If I make like a mistake early on and like I say a word wrong, I'd rather use that as an opportunity to do a silly editing thing to show how fallible I am. Like something, anything to make it like more like, you know, I would just work with what I have, even if I made a boo boo. Yeah, in the event that someone gives you constructive criticism and it actually works, it actually makes sense on its face, then follow it in the event that that happens. You know, whole time I was making videos, Digi was the only one who ever gave me like constructive criticism that like made sense and was correct. And even then I always told him that he's wrong just for artistic integrity reasons and then just silently fix the problems later. Oh, you've all done that to me, so it's fine. Don't worry. I don't worry. This is how it's supposed to be. Nate's never said like, oh, I changed my titles and thumbnails explicitly because you told me to 500 times over the last six. To be fair, I've done that one time. We're talking about a grand total of one time. But I, well, it's, yeah, but I mean, it's not like. We talked about it behind your back 500 times. Give me a second here. It's not like DaVinci tells me, Nate, do something. DaVinci. DaVinci. DaVinci. Shit. I have leveled up.   I think it's just admitted that I am the DaVinci of YouTube.  I would never admit that. I just want to say for everybody at home, hypothetically, if you happen to not be a YouTuber and maybe you're like a kid writing an essay, don't be afraid to show it to people and get advice. We're not all YouTuber writers like we are. Yeah, and I want to bring up like, it's, well, it's funny that. Wait, no, we're not moving away until I clarify that it's not that DaVinci tells me something and I do it. It's that I saw the signs were all pointing. That was me. The signs that I was explicitly saying to everyone, guys, I've done the research. I know the results. Do this. It's not like I'm there looking at your peer review study here. It's just a guy telling me what, all right, well, okay. Anyways. I made a realization, okay. It's funny to me because Nate and Jesse and Hippo are all very much like suggesting like, I want it to be my product and like my, it's all me and I don't want somebody else to like affect it. I feel the total opposite. I will freely allow anybody's mark to be made on my video. I mean, I blatantly copy other people's styles and tell, like say so. I do videos that other people suggested. Just recently I did, why I dropped every anime I dropped because some guy on Twitter said it would be a good idea. And I was like, hey, yeah, let's do that.  I don't give almost any suggestions. I think the thing about that is that, you know, for me anyway is that a lot of the comedy has to be like coming from me. Like if I think it's funny, it'll be like a thing like either I edit or I say it that way or like, you know. It's a different type of video too, you know. It's a different process because. Well sure, but like, I mean, I like, a lot of what happens in my videos now is just not my ideas or comedy. It's just DaVoo's and I like it more than what I would have come up with. Like DaVoo will often tell a joke in it. If I say if I had an editor, he might do stuff that is worse than what I would have come up with and I would have to teach him at that point. Cause like I know I'm very funny when it comes to things like editing. Well I guess did you put in the time? And you know, DaVoo has been fully vetted at this point. So we know he's going to be able to do it. If I had a DaVoo maybe, but I don't have a DaVoo. There's only one DaVoo. I could be your DaVoo tonight. Mom and Dad will never know. I mean, I just- Yeah, like I constantly get offers of people wanting to, sorry, did you? I constantly get offers of people like Eposet of like offering to edit my videos for a meal. Like, you know, just decrease some of my workload and get more of my stuff out there. Right, right. But like if I have to train someone to edit the way that I would edit then that's like would take up just as much time and be just as redundant as me editing it myself. It's a business cost, you know? Like when I was working on the Galco video with this new guy Snooping Turtle, who is great, he's wonderful. Like I put out on Twitter like, hey, I'm looking for a new editor. He was one of the guys who responded. I checked out everybody's work. His, I liked the best. So we ended up working together. And you know, like we, it took time. Like we went through and we went through the whole rigmarole of like going through like every bit submitting to me for approval. Okay, we'd work on it in the next part. Submit that. Okay, these changes need to be worked in.  But like I was willing to do all that not because it was super efficient at the time, but because I see a future relationship where we're doing more work together faster, more efficiently, better. And he's certainly, he was interested in that. And hopefully he still is. Hopefully it hasn't changed his mind. So yeah, it's like an investment. A sort of long-term investment. The thing I'm much more interested in personally is trying to make it so that I can get away with the least editing possible. If you watch my Demon's Souls review that I made, it's basically, there's nothing. I put a few gifts on. I put some video game footage that I recorded in a live stream. I liked your skeleton boys. They were cool. Yeah, and that was it. I just put relevant clips in and it was great. And people really liked that because I didn't need to do as they get it. Man, do you know it's in your Demon's Souls video? Just that one very simple editing choice right at the beginning of just having the skeleton gifts with the trombones along with the music. Those are trumpets, you buffoon. Trumpets, whatever. Tromboners. It's trombones because they're skeletons, you assy. Oh, right. Jess, to go back to the last point you made, you don't want somebody else to edit your stuff. I know there was some talk in this chat about having one of us help out edit the plebe and the weeb. What did you decide on that? Do you still think you are the only one who can do that? Yeah, that's some... Well, in my mind, the plebe and the weeb at this point has morphed into another aspect of the Endless Jess grand narrative.  Now it's trapped in my brain. There is one episode that we had talked about having Nate edit for reasons that will become apparent when the episode releases.  Yeah. The only reason you didn't hear the rumblings earlier is because people keep asking me instead of you. But then they found out who to really talk to. I guess I didn't communicate well enough that Jesse was editing it, so everyone would just ask me, where is the plebe and the weeb all the time? And I really love the clear artistic vision. The artistic vision conveyed in the editing.  That's what's great about it. It's really great. Yeah, that's the reason, because it's like, how can I explain that idea to like an editor and have it make any sense? Like, it can only be like, how do I sit down with the guy and be like, okay, this is not an anime talk show. This is a show about me ruining an anime talk show because I don't wanna be there. And it's all from my perspective. And when they talk about time slowing down, you're gonna slow time down and go into my brain and look at the French Revolution set to the music from Cross End, which was an anime that came out two years ago that nobody in the world watched. And also every time that Jeff coughs, I want you to zoom in on him coughing for no reason at all.    Like even I don't fully understand my intentions with it that it has to be me because how could anyone possibly know? Like I'd just be giving you like a bunch of completely meaningless footage and being like, do something with this. It's like, how do you know which rap song matches best with the emotion that's on my face in this clip? I mean, that's entirely true. There's definitely projects that are for you and you alone to do.  Of course, that there are plenty of projects that you can have other people do. Like Galco and One Punch Man. Like you didn't need to edit those.  Even though I, you know, those are all, at the time I thought, hey, these are really cool thoughts. I want to tell a story about them or whatever. And but yeah, I was happy to pass them off to give somebody else to edit and came out good. Wow, this should have a lot to do with the topic conciseness. Yeah, well, I mean, conciseness. It's about the workflow. The thing about writing concisely is that it's not a topic you can talk about for an hour and a half. Well, I want to ask everybody like, do you guys have any specific things that videos do that waste time that isn't, hey guys, sorry, I haven't made a video in a while. And also when I thought the show was gonna come out, I thought it was gonna be this, but it turned out to be that. Any other specific things that you feel waste your time? I mean, it's just constant. What I see in like especially analysis videos is constant redundancy and just saying the same thing three different ways and not seeming to realize that you're doing it.  And guys, hey, it's RCAnime. Just stop it, we got the first time. You know, like, I remember going into making videos because I've always felt that making a point concisely is a thing. Like even back when I made videos in like 2008, I'm like, I hated when people were like, hi everybody, hey guys. I've never started a video with hey guys. Sometimes I started a video with hello as dramatically as possible when I feel it's necessary. So I've always had a, I've always been a stickler for not wasting time. I just feel the same way about that specific thing. I always was like, ah, if you have to say hello, get out. But you know, over time people have said, well, I mean, you know, it's fine, it's good and it's good and it's fine. I'm like, ah, I guess it's good and it's fine. And sometimes I do it.   The Capulary, what's that? My favorite of all time is Hippo's Line. It's got level design and like, that was it. Yup, that was, yeah. Almost like any kind of setup at all is sort of counter-intuitive to, like the YouTube format as a medium. Like, like in Skits, for example, like you have like a wacky character showing up and something happens, you're having a conversation with like a cult corona and like, like looking at it like as though we're like a movie or a TV show, like screenwriting tells you that like, there should, like this conversation needs to make sense. And like the sentences need to flow together. But in a YouTube video, that just makes it like long and take away from the point of the video and just boring and redundant.  So like, cult corona doesn't need to come in and say, this is why I'm here and this is what we're going to talk about.   I'm a horse. This is a pun in the fucking- He's a non-sequitur, like as in a centaur, sequitur, what?   I don't know if what I said made sense. It's not necessarily easy.  So a lot of times I just didn't. It took me like three paragraphs, but I could have written it in one paragraph, but I didn't know how to make that paragraph.  And I was just like at the point I was trying to make, I felt like I needed three paragraphs to make the point because like basically the first paragraph has the first 30% of the point. Then the second paragraph has the second 30% of the point and so on. But in order for those paragraphs to even make sense in the English language, I had to keep repeating the first percentages over and over again and just weaving more in each time. It's just hard. It just takes a lot of legwork. You just have to listen to Mr. Betung videos on repeat every day for months. I want to get into why I think it happens.    And you just kind of have to either know the lore of the channel or like you're just gonna go, okay, well, I don't know what that was about, but it was funny, you know? Like, because who cares what it actually is? Absent what?  But the reason I think it happens where people repeat themselves so much is that they feel like this point needs more weight than the amount of words they can use for it. And this happens to me a lot. And the biggest place I see this happening in anime analysis in particular is when trying to describe visuals. People will always say like, the visuals of this show are really incredible, but they don't know how to explain that in more depth. So they say like, the animation's really great. The color design's really great. The way that things flow together is really great. And they're basically just emphasizing again and again the point they made already. The visuals are really great. And it's cause like, unless you can pick apart like one moment to really dig into that, then it's hard to describe that in broad terms. But it's like, you've got something in your brain that's like, no, I have to make sure they understand. They have to know how great the visuals are. This can't just be a flip and one off point in the video, but you end up just repeating yourself ad nauseam. And an example, and like not to throw shade at this guy cause I love him, but Super Eye Patch Wolf just had a video about the newest season of Samurai Jack. And he kinda does that with the visuals where he talks about it for like three minutes, basically just emphasizing again and again how good the show looks. And like the on-screen footage is doing all the leg work as it is. He didn't need to say anything. Maybe that's really the point that he's just trying to fill time so he can show you slides. It could very well be, but like, that could be effective, but just make an AMV. Put an AMV in the middle of your video. That'll do enough, you know? Emphasizing one point over another can't just be made through the amount of words used. It can be done through the tone of the words used. Like, yeah, you know, the character designers are fine.  So goddamn, shoot! Moving on, right? That kind of thing, right? People forget that swears exist for emphasis. So that's why I like to use them to make things look cool. Yeah, I was actually just thinking about that from Homestuck, after pages and pages, probably novels worth of chat logs. There's one moment where the way that you read the chat log is slightly different to really emphasize an important sentence. And like, obviously, Super Eye Patch Wolf does this because for him, the most important thing is to say the title of the video. He's like, why? As dramatically as possible. You should watch! You, you have to show. On to the video.   That was good, yeah.   And like, I get it, dude, just make it, just make a sake of a man.  And I had this video where it was basically an AMV where every once in a while I'd cut in and say, here's this guy and here's the stuff he did. And then it's just another short AMV, you know? Cause like, yeah, sometimes you don't have enough words to really describe it. So like, don't try to force the format on it. Don't try to force it to be an analysis video. This particular brand of decisiveness you're talking about does not actually save you any time, it's just saving you a number of words wasted on the page. Yeah.  I feel like it's more effective if you just show it and the audience will feel it emotionally, you know? Like the Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer video where you at no point, or better example, the Gurren Lagann part one, like the bulk of that video is just an AMV with images showing your emotional reactions.  If instead of all those reactions, it was you describing your reactions to each moment. And then that moment was so sad. But then this moment was so uplifting. None of the words, it would be terrible. It would be awful to just, oh my God, and then it got like twice as cool and then it was like four times as cool all of a sudden. Shit. And I mean, that's all those visuals are really saying, but it makes you feel it the same way. Like you're just, you're going from a face that looks shocked to a face that looks utterly shocked. And then a physical transformation of my body into a real man. And it's like, we feel what you felt. We don't even have to see the show to understand what you were feeling. And like it means it just hits you way harder to see it, that it would be to hear it. And like that's perfect conciseness.   It's kind of a masterpiece.   I'm not, sorry. Yeah, well, what I'm kind of annoyed with is people being, you know, they got all their concise talking, but now with more, you know, super eye patch wolf, node writer sort of breathy talky sort of, oh, it's so fucking, so cool guys. They give it. You should do a video like that. It's just those two seconds of imitation where it's hilarious to me. Right. It's a good parody video, Gabe. Consider it done. Yes. But there's never really enough breathing room for me to feel like any of it means anything. Oh yeah, I agree. Because I'm editing a Bloodborne video and I've got this whole big filmed live action bit at the beginning. And I didn't expect it to be like really long, but at the moment it's like literally the size of my actual analysis that comes afterwards. And it's so good just watching it and seeing how slow it is. It sets the tone of the game and then also the review because I, you know, I'm silly. And it's like, it has, I really like it. I was just watching it and I'm like, why don't, why don't analytical videos have more than just a small pause and then a swell of music before going into a big old boring thing.  Like they really, they stick in one emotional range when they don't understand. I mean, if they're trying to make a grand point, I really think like my girl, Logan part two does that correctly. It's about building to a point and you could be silly and you want to catch people off guard and make them laugh and surprise them. And then at the end, when you're making your grand point, it's at that point that you've earned the climax. That's when you hit them with like the big music. I literally can't watch Nerdwriter anymore because I feel like every video he makes is trying to make the exact same point. This thing is impressive. Or Captain Christian as well. It's always just building up to like, wow, they sure did think about that. They sure did work, they sure did their jobs and made something good, you know?  Because it is like Hippo said with Nerdwriter, he's not slow enough. He's being slow to sound dramatic, but then it just creates this kind of white noise feeling because not everything he's saying is dramatic. Vati just feels. Sometimes he's just describing what's good about this movie and it's like this doesn't need this dramatic emotional weight. It turns into white noise. Vati goes like full storyteller. Is it all the stuff he's talking about is just the souls games, which never get tired of someone hearing about how great they are. Yeah, well, and they have a consistent tone. So he can apply the same thing to every one and it makes sense because you're always listening to the souls music before it's got that feel. He's editing because he's always making all the edits slick and I'm sure it's just because I make videos, but it always distracts me. Like I was trying to walk into that. Everything about Nerdwriter distracts me now. Like, because all I see is the artifice.  Yeah, but like he always tries to like adjust the settings ever so slightly. You never see quite the same thing, right? You can just look at his thumbnail. It's the same feel. And he has like 20 different fonts, right? He really puts a lot of effort into typography and it's really distracting. The typography is really distracting. It is great. It's great on its own, but it's great in a way that takes away from it, you know, just like. I remember the day that I found the font that I use all the time now. That was a good day. Never had to think about what font to use ever again. Was that the T-Bap one? No, Showcard Gothic. That was the T-Bap one, but now I use Microsoft Tiley. Microsoft Tiley. I'm all blue highway, baby. I know you are. And I don't even think it looks good. I just, it looks nice. It's fine.  I'm getting pretty sick of blue highway at this point, but that's how I should feel. I don't want to change the font. It's like. Yeah, sorry, Hippo. Just to finish the blue highway point. Yeah, I also like, I mean, again, I don't even think it necessarily looks good. It's just that no one else uses it. So like, it's so definitively mine that like, and I don't know a better one, you know?  Let's just stick with this. Might as well. Gabe, what were you saying though?  I never keep a record of it because I can't be able to type it down and then save a file somewhere.  I can't remember them. I can never remember the one I have been used. I would recommend doing what Munchie did, which is genius, which he has a font called My Script where it's just you turn your handwriting into a font. And we used that for the S4 Diaries, like all of the like title cards and everything because Munchie had designed the backgrounds for that. And so if you watch like the ending of those videos, it's a great looking font that he had of just his handwriting. And like it was really consistent. Oh, my handwriting is so cool. Munchie's out there making fonts at age like 14. Yeah. Other children are just finger banging in the backseat of mom's minivan. Just get serious, kids. Get on Munchie's level. I remember CGP Gray talking about how he like has specific fonts for specific purposes. Like there's one font that always is used if the words represent his own statement from his own mind. Then he has another font that represents the collective opinion. And another font that represents like straw man or something. I don't remember. It's an early episode of Hello, Internet where he breaks down like the different fonts that have different voices. And I thought, yeah, it's fun. The thing about that is that when I'm trying to type it, like I need some text and I just go, okay, let's get a font. I've never really prepared to think for any sort of a length of time about what font will be appropriate. So I feel like if I don't sit down and think about all these different fonts and which ones work for different things, I'm just gonna pick a random one every time because I can't be bothered to think about it because I just need the words on the screen. Yeah. Okay, what you should do is you should decide when you like, you should use it in a video. And then what you should do is next time you're making a video, open up that old Vegas project, be like, ah, yes, this is the file or this is the font I use. And then use that. And eventually you will just remember forever. There are font finder software. I did that for a website for my, Give it a look and finish this point. Yeah, what were we saying? Well, I did that for my pony reviews but I got bored of it and now I can't, I don't wanna use it anymore. So now I just have a font that I will never use as opposed to a bunch of fonts that I will just randomly use at any time. Hey, Nate, let me finish this point. I intend to. I am suffering with three second lag here, brother, boy, person, affiliate. Okay, but yeah, you were talking over each other going on so somebody had to go first. Okay, but in any case, I feel like we're done. I feel like we've hit the wall here, we're just kind of rambling. Why don't we go to questions? What do you think? I'm okay with that. Monkey, did you wanna talk about concise writing in fiction at all since you're here and haven't said shit? Yeah, in fiction or nonfiction. Jesse wants to say something to it. Whichever. And yeah, Jesse, what were you gonna say? Jesse? Jesse. Don't remember.  I felt like I had a lot to say about this topic, but then I got scared and became confused. Okay, well, the monkey can go on and then maybe you'll remember. Yeah, I mean, I've already kind of said it. In terms of concise writing, you can never trust yourself because you know what point you wanna make, but that point might not be clear to somebody else who is experiencing the writing for the first time.  But, Mubkis, I don't have any friends. And also maybe more than one because I've started to have some concern that, cause I pass all my scripts to DeVoo and I just kinda count on like, well if DeVoo gets it, it's fine. But DeVoo also will listen to my video over and over again and is definitely gonna understand it by the time it goes out. And then sometimes I think maybe both of us understand it better than the audience is going to. Hey, fair enough, to be fair, I don't do that as much. I mostly listen to it like once and then I just sit on it for days and then maybe I listen to it one more time and then I go into editing it. The last couple of videos I've done like that, so hopefully not. I don't know. I worry sometimes that me and you are so steeped in my analytical voice that we will, of course we get the point that I'm making. But I have some videos that I'll return to like six months later once I've forgotten what the point was of that video and I watch it and there's certain parts where I'm like, I don't know if I was clear enough here. Oh, I don't know if I really, like if the audience will really appreciate what I'm saying unless they watch the video twice. Cause sometimes I'm too concise. I guess we need a PCP editorial department. Yeah, well the funny thing is that I think I am amazing at editing anyone else's stuff. So it would be you then. Yeah, it would just be me. But then somebody would have to do mine for me. It would just have to be tell me if it makes sense or not and if not I'll go fix it. I remember one time there was this website, really ancient web 1.5 website that was like, dude, pay us to give you the service of us editing your writing, your prose. And it goes on and on about how you really can't notice the flaws in your own works. And it was just talking about how much you really need to hire editors and we're here to serve you.  It was like uncensored and all the buttons were too big and it was like an absolute mess for website. They specced into editing too hard and didn't put it into web design.  And I was just like, huh, irony. Well, yeah, and it's funny too because I used to always show my videos to Victor and I'd ask him like, did you get all that? Like, did you understand it? And like half the time he's like, yeah, of course. Because like Victor does think analytically too. Like a lot of the time, stuff that I say he thinks is obvious and he's like, you mean to tell me that people wouldn't know this already?  But then there's also stuff where I will present it to somebody and I'll say like, did you get that? And they'll say, yeah. And it'll be like, well, what was the point I was making? And they're like, I don't know. Like I know I understood it.  And I'm like, yeah. That's not how understanding works. That's kind of how some people just consume stuff though. They don't really worry about it. Well, I think there's a lot of people who like just like kind of watch the video and like they can tell that what I'm saying makes sense. They just don't fully process it. And like they just go, yeah, that was smart. Like I can tell that was smart. I don't know what you said though, you know? Well, that's the thing. Some people aren't analytically minded in that way. And even if they did understand it like properly, they may not be able to communicate it because they're not good at that. Like they wouldn't be able to tell you back at you in a different way. I think that's true of Victor. I think Victor understands all my videos and just can't explain it back to me. But I have had people who I know don't get it. And like, cause I could see it in their eyes. They have that deer in the headlights retard look, you know? It's kind of like, me and Jesse were discussing rap lyricists recently and how we both think MF Doom is overrated because everyone always talks about how amazing Doom is for his like crazy rhyme schemes and stuff.  And I think it's just that people are so impressed by like the fact that he's making all these rhymes and like, and stuff that they don't, like it just goes over their head. And they think, well, I just don't understand it cause it's too smart. That's a real point. A lot of rappers I noticed really tend to bog themselves down in the show-off-y like internal rhyming to a ridiculous point. And it is, you know, it is impressive, but a lot of them are also not saying anything. Like- It's like rap guy. Like, there's been a lot- Yes. Like, yeah, like some of the best rappers ever, you know, weren't rhyming every single word. They were just saying statements that rhymed. Yeah. Like shake your arm for the rapper. Guys, if you don't see the vision, if you don't see the vision in over your head I'm floating, I got your girl de-throating. You're just not, you're not up to snob. Which one is that? That's a rap god somewhere, I think. I could be, I could be wrong. Rap god is like, I mean, in fairness, rap god is like about the idea that he doesn't have to make a point. He's just flexing nuts.   Hey, going back to the topic of showing things to your family. The wisdom in, what is a juggalo? I don't know. But you ask what it is?   I have some pretty decent resources for that because I have my dad, right? And my dad is someone who is intellectual and is analytical and open-minded but is like a baby boomer who has literally no interest or point of reference for anything I care about and always forgets everything that I tell him after I'm done explaining it. So basically I'm able to use him as like a mechanism to like, if I can explain something in a way that he gets and is mildly interested by, then I know I'm doing it correctly. Like one time I explained Sonic OCs to him, right? So first I had to explain Sonic and then the adventure era and then the concept of fandom and then OCs and he was like, oh okay. And I can tell in his face when he's getting something or not. So yeah, you can use your family. You can bother them and waste their time and waste their life to help get a test. My dad's good for that as well, except that he has such a short attention span that somewhere in the middle, he'll like notice something out of the corner of his eye and it'll completely make him wipe all memory of the conversation he's having.  My brother as well. My brother is, I guess I'm going down the list here just so that you guys can compare it to your own families and think about what resources you have in them because like my brother is someone who can appreciate all the things that I appreciate in art but has an unbelievably short fuse for no longer giving a shit. So it's like, if anything isn't perfect, then he's gonna be like, okay, I'm done with this. So it's like, he's a pretty good useful, I was like explaining to my brother a lot of my ideas for a video game and like he was nodding his head at all of them, unfucking precedented with me telling him my ideas. So that really was a good sign for me. Yeah. What? Are we still going to questions? I still, okay, I have two points, two pieces of advice keeping it in the realm of like writing concisely for YouTube because that's what I know, that's our area of expertise. I have two pieces of advice that I've thought of during this for writing concisely as I explained that I have these two pieces of advice as inconsisely as possible by repeating myself 50 times. The first piece of advice is never write an intro. Don't do it, intros are always bad, they're always a waste of time.  But also tell them to not watch the video, which is what you do half the time, just like this video isn't good, don't watch it, that's the intro.  To piggyback on that a little bit, I'll say I think a lot of why intros get written is that people don't know how to start their paper or whatever, like they're just looking for a way to like get the juices rolling. So I'll say write an intro and then delete it. Like once you've got the ball rolling and you've figured out what you're saying, just go back and delete the intro. I don't need it anymore. I think it comes from that high school, college, you have to have this many words, you have to have a thesis that is three seconds long. Your thesis doesn't have to be so many sentences long, it can be one word, one sentence.  I mean, if you saw my last video, my last video had the thesis in the title and I don't even say it in the, like the title of the video is, yeah, like how much does visuals matter in anime? And then the first sentence in the video is, obviously it's a matter of opinion, you know? So like just didn't even say it. Never write intros, don't waste anyone's time, it's just jump into it. You have the compulsion to think that you'll lose people by jumping into it, but you won't, the opposite is true. And this is something that I've learned by sucking at it for very long and very slowly coming to terms with how to write for YouTube particularly. And the other piece of advice that I've learned, mainly by sucking at it myself for many years before I slowly got the hang of it, is not every video has to be Mr. Plinkett. There's the compulsion, especially for like people who write analysis type videos of this video about this thing has to say everything about this thing. I'm gonna encompass the entire scope of it. Sometimes it works out well. You know, Nate's Gurren Lagann is a great video, but even that's in two parts. Yeah, I used to do that all the time and it would really hamstring me because I'd say this, yeah. You know what YouTube review show suffers for trying to make every episode, Mr. Plinkett? You're all the same to me. What's that to me? Mr. Plinkett. That's true. Mr. Plinkett's show itself has all these episodes that are trying to be Mr. Plinkett and don't need to be, and I'm just like, what's the Mr. Plinkett show? What are you talking about? I think he means like, like baby's day out didn't have to be a 45 minute video. No, that was a 23 minute video, and it was a frame because they all thought he was gonna do episode three of Star Wars, then he did a kids movie. That was fine, that's a joke. But like, you know, like say the Indiana Jones one that was just like, the only point I can actively remember is they don't have any violence. That was weak. The Indiana Jones video is very meandering and all over the place. Right, because I feel like he was trying to force an hour of content out of it and it was just like, no. But that was them exploring like what they can do in the future, like what sort of content will work. Like, are we really just gonna have to do Plinkett forever? I doubt it, like that was early days. I think they were still figuring that out. My point is that you can really hamstring yourself by trying to put everything into a single video and you won't get as much content out as fast as possible. You won't improve. Mia Maffova is proof of that. And I'm, you know, like for example, I'm looking right now at like an old, like a gun buster, my Japanese anime is that I wrote two years ago and it's like 25 pages long. Yeah, I never got around to actually making it because I'm looking at these 25 pages of words and I'm like, I don't wanna edit all of this, but now I'm looking at it years later and just thinking, well, wait a minute, I can clearly split this up into like four different videos if I want. And that would be like way easier and actually get made that way. So just don't, not everything has to be Plinkett.  I don't need analysis to exist anymore. I know it all now, but the whole point of continuing to make pieces in an artistic medium for the incoming generations is you have to keep making the point to people. So I feel like we just need kids analysis.    Interesting. I'm glad Jesse brought all that up because me and Nate were literally talking about this last night. I think during the interview then. Yeah. By the way, this will be out, the Nate interview is gonna be out. So I interviewed Nate and we were talking about how there was kind of this perception that we all had back in 2015 where like we all looked up to 45 minute long hyper detailed analysis. Like, you know, like Mr. Beetsong on Mass Effect or Mr. Plinkett or Sequelitis and like we all had this idea like that's the ultimate video. That's what we should all be trying to do. That's what matters the most and Nate did Girl in the Gone Part Two and Jesse did the drowning in horse shoes videos leading up to the horseshoe finale and I did the SAO videos, the AstraScore, which I mean AstraScore at least split into parts in like a big way, you know? But like we all had this idea of like it has to be the biggest possible thing and what that, yeah, what eventually happens is you never make it and then you end up with like more than one of those. Like it's one thing if you have one you know you have to do. Like Girl in the Gone, it had to happen, you know? And like there's a couple that I think probably I still have to do, you know? But like one of the biggest hurdles I ever got over as a creator was deciding not to write a book about Ava and just to make videos about whatever ideas I had about Ava and now I have like eight hyper successful Evangelion videos and I still could make like 20 more as the ideas come to me but those would not be out. Like if I was still in the mindset that I have to make one giant Ava video there would still be no Ava video and it's questionable if there ever would be. That's how stuff becomes, that's how stuff becomes too much of a burden. That's how you get buried under your own ideas. That's how a boy gets trapped in the furnace room and you don't want that. You don't want that. You do not want that. There's a spooky bat in there, watch out. That spooky bat video actually freaked me out. Oh man, that bat is so scary. You don't even know guys every day with that bat. I watched that video while I was alone in a hotel room and like the music kind of got into my head and I went outside to have a smoke and I was just kind of like, ugh. Guys, we should make this kid's analysis show. The subtext submarine. The Vinnie the Venetian Subtext submarine. Yes. Yes, the subtext submarine.   It'll just be our animal characters explaining at analytical points. That sounds great. Digi, real quick, just for clarification for audience members who may be feeble minded such as myself. All the points you just made, how does that comparable to at the beginning of this when you said you put all your points in one video whereas anime snob separates them into separate videos? Is that kind of the same idea? Well, what I mean to say is, it's not that I put every idea into one video, it's that my videos tend to go through various points. My videos go through stages. It's always like however many points I think belong in this video.  I don't want to make a 45 minute video because it's not cost effective to do that. So let's split it into 15 minute parts and I had just enough notes about the main character to make one 17 minute video about her. Then I had enough notes about the other characters to make one 13 minute video about them and then I had enough notes about the art and animation that I can make a third video whenever I feel like it. So those videos are fairly long individually but it's because they're going through all of the points that I thought needed to be in one video, like everything about Kobayashi. So it's kind of like five that anime snob videos in one video. The real problem at the end of the day with anime snob is that the entire video is a waste of time because he's just wrong. He is just wrong. That's the worst part. Don't take this as me in any way endorsing the way he does things. Like his style of video could make sense.  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's a good anime snob. I've seen a Pomeranian talks about purse mardinism. I'll work on my puns. Don't worry. Okay. I have a tip for conciseness. Stop writing clever YouTube titles. I don't like it when you just stop it. This is a personal thing for Gage. He's on the war pad. What does that have to do with conciseness? Because if you just write the name of the thing plus analysis or review, I'm way more likely to click on it if I don't know what it is. If you're trying to convince me to click on a video about the 10 secret hidden things and subtext that nobody has noticed about this other thing or anime, I don't know the anime to begin with.  It seems to work, though. Yeah, it seems to work, but it works. It works on the sort of people who think they know everything and would like to know the secret special extra things that super intelligent people. I just want to know stuff. I just want to know about a thing. We will, our fans will watch our stuff, but if we want to bring in new people, we have to trick them into watching the video to give them good content. I don't want those new people. They think they're smart.    I mean, Hippo. Stupid. What do you think of my titles, Hippo? I can't remember. Give me a title you have. How I learned to stop worrying and skip a cache of records. Or... Well, that one's funny. That one's got like a... Yeah, that one's a reference. So, in a very well-known reference. What's the one I did on Kemono Friends, the lucid dream world of Kemono Friends? I don't know. I mean, Hippo, what book are you more likely to read? Satire about women or men are better than women? Like, do you want the honest title or the cool title? I want the cool one. What I'm saying is... I think you're talking about something more specific than what we're saying you're talking about. Well, what Hippo is saying is like, we should name everything like Avan Galle in review number five. Like, why not give it a more creative title? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. What I mean is that people, they...  I get what you mean. Like, nerdwriter videos, every title is trying to play into your desire to be smart. Right, for sure.   Oh my. Like, I would much rather just watch a straight review of something that everybody has seen, but I haven't.   Well, let's say, like, Seinfeld, right? I have never seen like a normal straight review of Seinfeld, but I have seen plenty of annoying, like, extra videos about the subtext and the extra things that you know Seinfeld. Everyone knows Seinfeld. Here's some more. I will never... You know what that reminds me of? Never enjoy that sort of stuff. Never remind me of people complaining about things that everyone's talking about on the internet that I haven't heard. Like, you know, my introduction to Ludo-Narrative Dissidence was the game over thinker episode called Stop Talking to Me about Ludo-Narrative Dissidence. And my second exposure to it was someone else being like, oh God, it was Jimquisition talking about Ludo-Skibib disco biscuits. Like, oh geez, so much Ludo-Narrative Dissidence out there. Since everyone just spent all their day reading blog posts by shitty blog artists like me, Jimquisition. I'm like, you know, like, don't...  You're the only person that lives in Ludo that complains about this. But if we can't have an intro where we tell people the basics and we also, like, can't assume everybody knows everything, what are we supposed to do? Well, I'm not talking about intros. I'm talking about entire videos. Like, if somebody wants to explain... Intros are part of entire videos, hippo. This is what we need to fucking... No, Ludo, what is your point? I don't get it. We have the German shepherd talk about German expressionism. We have a fucking... Monkees looking... Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. What the problem here is we're ever... Sorry. Let's go ahead. Let's go ahead. No, oh no! We are simultaneously trying to say that you should, like, not just do summary, but that you should also... And hippo wants, like, standard reviews. But what hippos means is that he wants there to be videos that are just a actual review of the thing without assuming that everyone's already seen it. It's really all it is, is that it's the flowery and the insinuation of the title that makes me not want to click on it. Like, if you are talking about, say, the content of the video is exactly the same. If you just title it Seinfeld Analysis, then I'm going to click on it because I want to know. But I think most people wouldn't click on that because it's such a plain, warm title. Well, I hate YouTube then. Fair enough. I think hippo would click on it if you said, like, why is Seinfeld so well loved? You know, if that was the title, you'd probably click on that because that's what you're trying to find out. Well, maybe not at this point because I just generally hate titles. We need to keep paying against video titles. They got to go. They got to go. Yeah. Your channel banner.   Well, all right. How about we go to the questions now, team? I'm down. Let's do it. Let's do it. Here we go. Hippo, I love you. I feel no ill will towards anyone. I don't like YouTube anymore. I don't like titles. I don't like seeing titles. I don't like seeing titles and reading them and having to decide on whether or not I hate it. I mean, I do. Why would you want to watch a review of a show? Like, why would you want to watch a Seinfeld review if you know nothing about it anyway? Couldn't you just read a summary to see if you'd be into it? Well, because Gibbs heard a lot about Seinfeld over the years.  Well, I can't have a television. I don't know.  I'm not really looking for a Seinfeld analysis. I just don't like people being smart. I don't like people having smart titles. That's really my entire point.  Like, after watching a combined total of 15,000 hours of Roger Vanderweed analyzing Sonic, I now know all the basic stuff without him ever actually attempting to explain basic stuff just through inference. So, you know. OK, here we go, people. Question number one. Read this question, Nate. Here I go. OK, at our old friend Ice Killer 159 asks, yo, PCP, you get to experience a piece of media for the first time again. What do you choose?  I was torn between ace attorney and death question. Oh, man. Yeah. Way to go, Elton. Oh, definitely lost. That's my answer. I already know it. Lost, huh? Even with the ending that we know is bad. That we know is bad. It's not a bet. Anyone who says the ending of loss is bad. You know what?  Anyone who says the ending of loss is bad.  Jesse, I think you are as passionate about every opinion you actually end up caring about as much as Nate is about the glasses thing.  I'm passionate about all of my opinions equally until I remember how I feel about lost. And then I'm passionate about nothing but lost. If I could experience something for the first time again, it would have to be the final three episodes of season four of Breaking Bad. I don't think anything has enthralled me as a viewer or more than just that climate. So the first of the three is The Crawl Space Episode, which is a very famous ending. Where he laughs at the end and goes, yeah. God damn, that was the bingiest binge watch I've ever binged. I'll tell you. And that was the cringiest cringe watch I've ever cringed. Oh!   With most movies and TV shows, I tend to like it more the more times I see it. So most of those I feel like I wouldn't want to see for the first time. But like any album that I like, for me, like the most magical time with an album is when I'm first getting into it and it feels mysterious. And I can't tell the difference between all the songs yet. And it's just like, for instance, Rat King So It Goes is a great example. Where I was playing this album on repeat while playing Fantasy Star Online for a few days. And it would just be like, you know, as it's going, I pick up on little things. I'm like, oh, here's that song. Oh, I remember hearing this part. It just feels like this endless, magical, you know, just getting to hear all these different things that I didn't know about. And then eventually, once I've heard the album enough times and I know exactly what's where, that's where I start forming opinions like, oh, this song's a little weaker than the others. So I might skip that track or like, oh, this is the good verse. This is the, you know, that part. Like, oh, now I've got like all these opinions about it. And I don't have that sheer just wonder of experience something I don't completely understand yet. So like, especially longer albums, like third side of tape by Lil' Ugly Mane, because that one's like two over two hours long. And it's just like a random compilation of weird songs that are like, all completely different from one another. So it was always like this total mind-altering experience to listen to it until I'd heard it like 30 times. And now it's like, oh, OK, this is the part where the obnoxious 10-minute black metal song kicks in. Let's skip that, you know? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, any album, really. OK, OK. What about the human equation? Do you want to hear the human equation again? Human equation would be, yeah. That's that's an example of one that in the early days was like, very mysterious.  He was a happy boy. Did you are we still doing a PCP episode over the human equation? It's on the list.  We'll get the Vue and Nate, and that's all we need. I'll listen to it. I'll listen to it.  Did you hear over at his house, force him, tie him up, clockwork orange style, only pry his ears open instead of his eyes.  And then he'll wake up. He'll go, I can't move. I can't feel my body. I don't remember what's happening.  By the way, my answer to this question without a doubt, without a doubt is certainly one piece. I want to take that journey again, knowing nothing. And luckily for you, it's not over yet, so you still can. That's the great thing about it, man. You should. You guys, I want to tell our audience. You have never heard someone read something more enthusiastically than Nate rage one piece. You've been here. I'm sitting in the other room and just hearing Naco. Oh, my God. What? What if you don't care about spoiled? Go check out the new episode.  I have to make it. I totally forgot. OK, I'll make it today. Go check out the new episode. It'll be up like last week at this point of the podcast and like the things that happen to this chapter really were yet again the most insane, mind blowing things of all time. It really scared me. I was actually terrifying and like beyond. It was a new level. I'm glad to find out that I'm not the only like the only the only loud reader who passionately screams. I yell.   If you if you read a comic quietly, everything goes according to plan. There's no problem. But but you read a comic and you get a little loud. Everyone loses their mind. That's if I read a comic quietly, then it's not really happening.  If I read it out loud and the characters are really here, then it's real, then it's real. Hippo, did you have an answer for this? I I do. Being a many years veteran of World of Warcraft, I'm very I'm very disillusioned with it. I'm very like tired of the high. What happens with World of Warcraft?  And and you just you want to live there. You want to you want to do everything. And I have I've done literally everything in that game, aside from the current expansion and to the point where it nothing excites me anymore. And it really it really is sad because it's like so much so so cool.  And I feel that way about every MMO I've played.  And then I got to the next area, which was like the Badlands, it thought it was lame. So I just restarted and played through the starting undead place like three times and just until I completely knew it. And then it was not as interesting. Hey, same goes for like Tara or Black Desert, like any of those games when you first started, it's just like, whoa, this this world. It's so huge. And by the side of the starting area was great.    Only trolls are good. You have an answer to do. Yes, actually. So I was thinking about it. Everything that I liked at one point than over consumed. I don't want to regress to a point of not having ever experienced it because it was instrumental in my understanding of what makes things good. And, you know, I use it as an influence.  Sure.  Because if I went back in time to when I hadn't seen lost, I might listen to people who say the ending is bad. Exactly. Oh no. That's exactly what I want.  And it's like a late 90s thing has a lot of weird superficial similarities with alias, actually. And it has an interesting sort of character premise, but it is the Ramo one half of America because it just it doesn't progress anything ever and it's four seasons long. And I just watched it because I was watching it with my family.    So if I can erase my viewing from history and then have to begin watching it again, my current self will have no tolerance for it and turn it off immediately. And I'll have saved myself like a combined total of like 50 hours. That's a great answer. We do it all for those 50 hours. All right. Yeah, use all of it on D. You know what he means, Nick? Yeah, the D board. OK, so that's everybody, right? We've all gone through this. Yeah. OK, here's another question that I absolutely love. OK, here we are. So this is at Pond didator asks PCP, who is the hottest sailor scout? I've spent a lot of time. I don't know. You don't know the well enough. It's absolutely. It's not even a contest. Not even a doubt. Wait, is Mars the black here on the sailor? Mars is the black here. I thought it was the coolest guy you've ever seen, the only male one. Oh, that's all. Yeah, that's obviously you're right. But aside from that guy, aside from the coolest guy, I'm looking at a I'm looking at a pop vinyl sailor Mars right now. So yeah, Nate's got a picture of all of them lined up nice to each other. And Mars is like far and away, the hottest. The only other one that I like, I mean, I do appreciate Jupiter, but Mars is by far the best. I never seen Sailor Moon. Now, I'm just kidding. The hottest one is Homura. I don't know who that is from Comado Comagica.  Is that is that cat like like the cat from Sabrina, the teenage? It's the same cat. Yes. Really the same thing. Cool. I like that cat.  OK, I still like Captain Crunch, and I'll stand by that. OK, here we go. At solely claw asks if gay was a physical object, musical genre or food, what would it be?  I mean, I was going to say Digi. It would be Digi is the first choice. Gay was a food. It would definitely.  Say that again. What? My? Your audio. My brilliant corn dog joke. Oh, my God.  I thought I thought it wasn't funny. I just didn't hear you. Oh, thank God.  Like, no, it finally happened.  Time to walk into the into the into the snow and die. Anyone have any of the suggestions for what gay would be? What do they say genre of music? Yeah, that was one.  A dad rock. Get it. Oh, I'm so happy. Glam rock, maybe, but I don't know. Yeah, Tiny Tome. It would be Tiny Tome. OK, let's move on to this question. This is dead air. Let's OK, here we go. Here we go at our hero. Monk Aue asks a very apropos question. What's stopping the other PC band members from doing their own Mia Maffova? But then he asks, I don't know if this is supposed to be an insult. He says standards or work ethic, like no one else has low enough standards or they don't have low enough work ethic to make it. I came up with that work ethic. It's got to be the opposite. I came up with one concept where I do a video every day all year called two zero one eight, two cool, zero fucks given, one video a day. You're going to hate all of them, which is pretty great. I do like that a lot.  You didn't brand it hard enough. No, I didn't brand it at all. He didn't brand it at all. It was a secret. It was a secret because he had money on the line as to whether or not he would succeed. And if he failed, he would have ran away with the money. Nate, you had to pay me for that, right? You bet against me. And I think you gave me 10 bucks or something. I don't think I actually was in on that bet. I would have bet against you if I had known. I don't know if you were in on the bet. I don't know if you ever paid out, but you were in on it. Are you sure about that? Yeah, I know you were because Ben was the only one of the PCP who wouldn't bet against me because he said he wanted to bet for me. And I was like, you can't do that. And I will give you $10. I think you might have. It's possible. I really don't remember being involved at all, but I'll trust you. Here's my theory. Is that a shit? What we're talking about is in 2014, I made a video every day in October, and I made bets with everyone I knew to incentivize me to do it. Mostly, it was my mom and dad who were betting the most. And they're the only ones who I really hammered to pay me. But yeah, I made bets with everybody, but I didn't announce that I was doing it because I was scared if I did, it wouldn't get completed as tends to be the case when I announce projects. So it was only at the very end of the month that I acknowledged that I had just done this thing, whereas they made it very clear. See, I'm the opposite, because you'll get bored. If I announce it, then I have to do it. Or else I won't. Yeah. Well, speaking of that, I had an idea of doing a July Miamath of a, I don't know what I should do. Well, I mean, in the meantime, we've got your two. No, it's Demon Dark Blood Month, bro, which is great. It's not really the same, but it's good. It's similar, and I like it. It's more than one. It's more than zero videos a month. I want to say just what I usually do. For the record, all of us are insanely prolific in the kind of way of Miamath of a, like, Gibbon has had months where he puts out videos like almost every day on Gibbon Take. Jesse's had months where he's put out a video almost every day just on random channels, and I do literally put out a video every day. Hey, the Era of Furnace Room has no breaks. There's been a video every single day. That's in addition to Ponycast. It's in addition to other videos and other channels. I also, I did do a video every day in October of 2013, and I'm still bearing the emotional status from it to this day. Most of those are hidden now, but that wasn't it. Right, right. I had an idea to, like, do, like, next year, do, like, Miamath of a, two. Maybe I'll actually make a video, but, like, the joke would be that I don't make a video. And like I said, maybe. Right, you said maybe. Well, now you've said it. Yeah, well, the select few will build it. So I don't actually have to do it. Great. That would have been too much work for me. I'll just say it here. Let's see here. It's a simple matter of, like, crop rotation. We're, like, going out into the world and watching movies and, like, being a real person to, like, form actual opinions is, like, planting cotton.   And then over the course of a couple of years, he just drops absolute gold and then he runs out and he only comes back once a year to, like, have another little bit of corn. So for me, I'm just kind of, that's why, that's really why I don't have any problem with not making any videos.  I think everyone needs to understand about me and Mafova is that that thing wouldn't have been possible if not for the fact that Nate had not been doing that for the last two years because 30 ideas in a row is a hell of a lot because our work is all based on other stuff, like, it's not like Casey Neistat where he just goes out and literally films his day every day and half the videos are the exact same.   That's absolutely true. There were plenty of ideas.  I do have a bunch of ideas that I was just stockpiling as potential stuff but I picked the ones that I thought were the best. But more so than that, what is interesting to me about me a Mafova that makes it sort of special, I guess, is that it really was very time-bounded and like a one-time thing and it was an event.   They want to feel like something special is happening. Everyone was so hyped to be involved with this thing that was going on during this time and it was very effective. But to do it, to immediately do the same sort of thing, even like two months later, they'd be like, oh, you'd see all the cheers, but they'd be like, yeah, a little quieter.  So I don't know, like, yeah. That's the only reason I'm not sure about doing a July one.   But really, you know, I don't really want it to be, I don't really care too much about it being like a big, like, oh yeah, branding and everyone buys shirts. Mostly because I can't be bothered to think about that. I just want to make, I just want to get into the habit of being able to make 31 videos in a month. That skill is something that I need. And I think it's important for everybody to realize that all of that branding and stuff is, it's not just that that's a good marketing decision, it's that that's what allowed Nate to do that. He couldn't have done it if he didn't make it a big deal. It had to have lots of pressure. It had to be a lot of personal responsibility on the line.  I don't know if I mentioned this in the interview yesterday, but I had actually been planning on one of the things that was gonna make as part of me in MAFA was a deal with the audience where if I don't succeed at making all this, I will give the money away that I make during this month to whatever we'll have a pull. I was really considering that, but then I just thought, you know what, that is unnecessary. I don't think people actually require that. The problem with that is people would start holding you to like, oh, it has to be midnight. Then it would have been weird standards for stuff whereas this was better, but yeah, that was tossed around. But yeah, I don't know. I guess there's a place for me in MAFA was in the world, but I don't know, I would love a give me a MAFA of some kind. I would love like, what I want from give and that's what me in MAFA was, was an excuse for you to just make tons of content fast. I wanna know what you're thinking.   Like I want that, I'll be essentially what minuscule reviews are, but like without pigeonholing it into being called a minuscule review, you know. Yeah. So there you go. Hopefully. There's your answer, I guess. Next question, let's see here. How deep in are we? We are one hour and 49 minutes. Okay.  Okay, how do we, how we got here? Oh, at, oh, at Rain Snow Hail. Hey, what's up dude? Asks, which member slash friend of the PCP, if not already doing a podcast together, would you like to at least try to co-host a show with? Co-hosting shows with people outside the PCP. Outside the PCP or? Isn't that what they said? What member, friend, friend? Oh, slash member. PCP. Okay, so it'd be. I think I got the impression he means like which other PCP member do we wanna have an individual show with? Right, so like who do you want to do things with that you're not already doing stuff that way?  Concrete reviews, review concrete. There you go. I've got a show with Monkey and a show with Nate and Hippo's the last one who I also wanna show with but yeah, it would have to be the right show. Like everybody else I love working with but like for a weekly show most of these motherfuckers are horribly unreliable so. Like Ben who was actually signed up for this episode and his did not show up. So yeah, there's a reason I haven't started a weekly show with Ben. I just like, the reason why I'm on so few episodes of this show is I'm really good at talking myself down from thinking that I'm gonna have much to say that will be useful and like, the only thing that really motivates me to like to do podcasting is if there is a ridiculously unnecessarily elaborate plan like, which is why I'm so into doing commentaries with Digi where the idea is that we commentary every single main video and we say literally whatever we want. That is what gives it the challenge that entices me. So I feel like if I was to do a podcast it would have to have a lofty, ridiculous plan like finding the best- Like a narrative or some kind. Yeah, some sort of weird gimmick. Okay, fair point. And if you like shows with gimmicks go listen to the insufferable social media argument the podcast at monkeyjones.com. So viewers, do I actually do it when I have suggestions? You actually own monkeyjones.com? No, but I'm hoping somebody buys it and just makes it porn or something.  Hit me up with that. We had teased the idea between ourselves of doing some sort of like debate or like idea discussion thing. So maybe at some point we'll do something like that.  Yeah, we've got a couple on the back. Like Aromango has been going really well. We've talked about doing, I don't know if we should talk about it. Let's keep it on the down low. There's some other projects in the world. We have like several other podcast ideas. That is such a brilliant idea that I think it's one of the best I've ever had. So I hope that we get it going at some point. Super secret. That's all we're gonna say. But let's real quick. Why don't we just talk about, let's just name the ones that exist already. Just to run through them real quick. So there's the PCP, of course. There's the PodDcast with me and Gibb, which is the one piece weekly. There is the Ponycast, which is Jesse and Gibb. You know, my little pony every week. What am I missing? There's insufferable social media between Monkey and Digi. Aromanga Sensei. Aromanga Sensei, Digi and Nate. And the Narukas, don't forget. The Narukas with Mage and Monkey. Working on episode two. There's Rowdy Fuckers Cop Killers, which is Munchie and Ben. Munchie and Ben. There's the Stealing Your Dads as If It Was Easy, which is me and Munchie. There's the Commentaries that me and Devu do, which is once a month. There's the Homestuck thing that Munchie's doing on his channel now. Though that's, none of us are really co-hosts. He was on there, but yeah, that's mostly his thing. There's Psy tries to get Monkey into, because Psy's an honorary PCC member. Psy is definitely not a PCP member. Honorary member Psy, right? Yeah.  And... He's part of the sub-PCP. I have in my head that there's a secret 10-person PCP... Oh, no, it's like the dark PCP. It's the dark PCP. Yeah, it's like... It's like Lachlan's still Psy. Who else would be in our... Nino? Yeah, Nino. The nega PCP. Well, don't call him a nega. Jump to the next PCP. Digi, we talked about this in Atlanta, that it's a fighting game, and it's the PCP, and then there's all the assists. Oh, yeah, they're the color swaps. The color swaps. Or you have the summons. Yeah. So Psy is an alternate skin for Digi, and Nino is an alternate skin for Nate. Which is not an insult anymore, because Psy has lost a lot of weight and probably weighs less than I do now. So it's an insult on you, Digi. Yeah, we're insulting you, Digi, to compare you to Psy. I'm saying that it's not an insult to me, because Psy is no longer fat. Psy is even skinnier than I am. It's more of a personality thing. Wait, it's not insulting. It's perfectly politically correct. All I care is that I'm not compared to a fat guy. That's the only thing that matters to me. Okay, yeah, what is it? I've got the perfect podcast that needs to exist. Munchy and Jeff. Something with them. Something with Munchy and Jeff. That would just be Jeff being overwhelmed by Munchy.  Exactly, exactly. I just thought it wouldn't be great in an alternate timeline where your friend Brandon Tolentino kept doing podcasts with you, and he was actually known by your current fans, because then he could be an alternate skin for Hippo, and the only one I could think of. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah? I was actually wondering who'd be the old skin for Hippo, but... Well... I think Davoo and Lachlan Stil would be... Munchy and... Oh, shit, I think you're right. I mean, Munchy would be a main character as well, but... Isn't Lachlan tall?  How are we doing this relationship? Okay, it doesn't matter. Okay, here's our client. I don't even talk about Riyadh right now. We're still talking about podcasts. I forget what question that was. It doesn't matter. Here's our last question for the day, okay? Benjamin Whistle at Benjamin Whistle asks, what do y'all think of cars? What do you think of our cars? But I wish I wasn't bored by them. And whenever, because there was a moment where I was thinking about how there's this subset of people who were just like, oh yeah, that's a 95 Honda, Civ-Bitch, something or other, and I'm just like, man, you know, whenever I'm watching a show and there's a video game console, and my eyes light up and I'm like, ooh, what video game console is that? And I can tell based on any subtle visual cues. And I'm like, man, people who are like that with cars get to be like that all day outside. I'm like, that's ridiculous. How could you possibly deal with that much stimulation of intrigue? Also, what kind of weirdo are you to like cars? What else do you like, pavement? Do you like, unicycles? Just unicycles or trans-podcasts? Boring. I have what I call car dyslexia. Any two cars that look anything alike, I cannot tell them apart. Which makes it difficult to find my own car, because I guess the design of my car is very popular in like modern cars, so they all look like mine. It's very confusing. But you got the beeper, the beep-boop, right? That thing.  Yeah. Yeah. But. Like, good old Inlet G. But uh. Jeep Wrangler.   He just is good at selling them.   It was really, really strange.  Well, the Initial D thing is cool. Yeah. Like, they just got way into cars and they like talk about it all day.  My dad is sort of obsessed with cars. You know, he's always, he's usually getting like a new one. And like, he's like, he'll always have like a nice car at our house. So he'll like be, he'll sell the old nice one. He'll buy a new nice one. He wants a constant rotation. It's like what brings him the most joy in life. So that's great. And like after he retired, he's thinking of like working in it with a dealership in some way be coming like an amateur salesman just to make a little money. But like he tells me these stories like when he was a little boy, I believe it was he would sit with his grandpa like on like the edge of the road. They would watch cars come by and like the grandpa would quiz him like, based on the headlight shape of the cars. It'd be like, what car is that?  And at some point, he just completely fell in love with cars and is just super obsessed. What pisses me off is that you can be that and people think that's like relatively normal. Yeah, they do. Same with sports.   You know, like. Those are the socially approved topics for whatever reason. Yeah, that's true though. Yeah. Well, putting that aside. Well, it's a self perpetuating prophecy. Like the people who are like that with anime, they think of themselves as guys who, oh, I'm into something weird, you know? Whereas guys who are in the cars don't have to think that, you know? Everybody needs somebody who knows how to fix a car.  I'm not talking about people who know how to fix a car.  Yeah, like my dad's not really much of a mechanic or anything.    I'm a car person. I've been this whole time. It's a secret. It's the most well guarded secret of all time. Tell me three things about a car that are true. Tell me three. You can't do it.  Car person, Eddless Jess. Well, Nate, I lied. Just now. I lied three times. I lied, I lied, I lied. It's about what we wish we knew. That's how you get farther in life. That's how you progress as a person. I love cars. I think they're cool. I deeply envy people who understand them and know about them. I watch regular car reviews on YouTube. I watch Top Gear sometimes.  I look at cars that are for sale all the time and fantasize about being able to buy all the cars. If I had a million dollars, I'd be the guy who just goes bankrupt buying like 20 cars. My dream in life, my ultimate goal in life is to someday own the blue viper that I owned in Gran Turismo 3 when I was a kid. And that's what I've been working towards my whole life, that goddamn Gran Turismo 3 car. I want it. I thought you wanted a Jeep Wrangler. The Jeep Wrangler is but a stepping stone on my path to glory, did you? I add that to the Wiki, folks. That's Canon Lore. All right. There you go. Got the Aztec that he drove in Breaking Bad. You can do that. That's an achievable dream. Yeah. I think Cars is a terrible movie. Yeah, I can watch it. I think that Cars 3 is a step in the right direction after the terrible Cars 2.  I don't like it. Toy Story 3 was better. Incidentally, Jesse mentioned regular car reviews. That guy's like to me like the Aesop Rock of YouTube. Like a guy who's like so high level that I can't even completely comprehend it. And I think that my, I don't know, I've never subscribed to him. I've only seen a couple of his videos.  It's like his stuff like makes me feel weak. It makes me feel like I'm not doing enough. Like I am not a good enough writer if this guy is out there. Or a good enough man because I don't have enough cars. Exactly. Cars are cool. I need to get my, I need to get my oil change. Cars? Should we describe what cars we drive? Maybe, sure.  I drive a Honda Odyssey, a gold Honda Odyssey. There you go.  Yeah, it's a minivan. I drive a 2015 BMW X1. Yeah.  Nothing's in my car. I bring it all in everywhere I go. It's true. It's true. We got it protected. Did nobody hear my car? Yeah, I heard it. Oh, I just got why you were playing that. I was just confused. Okay. I thought, yeah, I thought nobody heard it. Cars! Very strange. Cars! Remember when John Chon was funny? I remember. Have we not had a remember when John Chon was funny podcast yet? We should do that. He definitely had more than enough John Chon complaining material on this podcast and others. Has anyone watched a PCP as a collective? Now that he's... We have some meta podcasts that have slowly pieced themselves together inadvertently.  That's like five hours long, but it's never been made intentionally. If you're a PCP fan who wants an excuse to listen back to every episode and find something creative to do with it, snip together every time we've talked about John Chon or movie Bob or like anyone else we bring up all the time and just make that a podcast. That'd be cool. That'd be cool.  It's like really the only thing where Digi loves banging on about the same points that he's made five times before with no update.  There's no need to hold back when you're not on fucking, you know, on the microphone.  I know what you mean, I know what you mean. And movie Bob's a big one for especially me and DeVue because we have a lot of the same problems.    Be funny again. I mean, take that like a month to drive to that set. So anyway, movie Bob, guys, I want people to bug me as much as possible to do the Game Overthinker, PZP lecture because I am the only one qualified to do it. And I think I could. And it's the only thing that I could do a lecture on. I only want to do it if enough people want me to do it though. I'm not sure. Okay, if you press, press. Just spoiler alert, it will be just me and spirited and bitter no matter how hard I try not to be. It's not going to be funny. Well, he is fat, so it's okay. Don't worry about it. Well, are we still talking about the cars we drives? Oh yeah. I have a funny anecdote. You know, I got the best car, which is also the worst car. I drive around in like a, I drive around in an old blue police car from the 70s or 80s. Just like Gloves Brothers. From Victoria. Yeah, but like I don't have like insurance or like a license plate. Oh. And so like every, so like I've gotten pulled over a bunch of times and now it's at the point where like all the cops recognize my car. Everyone knows it. Oh my God.  So I get pulled over every day and I owe a lot of money to the courts. Dude, stop doing that.  I have to get to Tim Horton's, Nate. I have to get my donut in the morning and my coffee. I put on my insurance. I mean, Jesse, my shoes. My donut shoes. Oh Jesus. You gotta stop. I bought these new Adidas just to be my donut shoes.    Ah, I need my morning donut. PCP fan also create a super cut impromptu meta PCP episode called Jesse Wood Generational Poverty. Oh my God, that's great. Okay, we're done. That's it, everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being here, everybody. Subscribe to Monkey Jones. Make sure you send us more questions so we can answer them. We will answer your question if you use hashtag ask PCP. So make sure you do that. 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