What is product management? Product management Korea is really possible for everybody.  If you are fresh graduate and you have no clue what is the future can entail for you, you definitely need to start product management Korea, because you're going to get paid as high as soft engineer, but it's going to put you on a leadership track.


Independent variable, it's not independent variable, it's internal validity folks, that was not an example, that was just a genuine mistake. Internal validity, the extent to which the experiment did what it was supposed to do. Did it rule out confounds? Did the effect observe? Really have to do with the independent variable? So internal validity, are we doing what we intend to do with our experiment? Are we measuring what we intend to measure? Are you manipulating what you intend to manipulate? Or do you have an actual experiment or did you just set up a little twinkie little AB design? Twinkie? Whatever. Hinky. There's the word I was looking for, a hinky little AB design. So, which isn't experimental. So if you set up a quality experimental design like an ABAB design, then we'll probably have internal validity, assuming you manipulated the independent variable well and you ruled out confounds, right? So then you have quality internal validity. You can have some confidence that the findings that you have have some basis in reality. So, which allows you to draw more conclusions about the power of your independent variable.


so fancy as walking into your own starting music. Oh my goodness. Howdy, Athens. Wow. What an amazing word camp. Wow, this has really come together. It's been so incredible. And gosh, what a venue. I know. I feel so honored to be here with all of y'all, which is Femma Tia's here on stage. We have so much exciting stuff to share with y'all. And I think we'll let you dive into it. Happy to kick us off. Hey, WordPress. I don't know if you heard lately, but you are now 20 years old as a project. Congratulations. Woo! Ha, ha, ha. Before we get started, I do want to give us a couple of updates from things that we've talked about over the last, probably six months or so, a little bit from last word camp Europe, and a little bit from state of the word. The first thing that I want to talk about is actually our word camp reactivation. So you all obviously are part of that. But last year at this time, we had held eight in-person word camps. And as of right now, as of this word camp, I believe we're on track to have 25 word camps in the first half of the year, which is more than we had all year last year. And that's because you all are doing all of this with us. Huge thanks to the community team. Huge thanks especially to the folks who are helping all of our organizers relearn how to do all of this wonderful connection of our community. And if you are one of our long term members of the community or you just are really interested to learn how you can get more knowledge and understanding of how we try to make WordPress be organized and functional and working together, we have the community summit coming up in August of this year on the 22nd and 23rd. So just before word camp US, where we all also should be barring any emergencies cause never say never. If you would like to attend that or want to raise a topic of your own that you think is incredibly important for the community to be discussing right now, or if you want to apply for travel assistance or to our company's support travel assistance, you can do all of that over on communitysummit.wordcamp.org. If I said that too fast, don't worry, we've got social folks who are putting that out there as well soon on the hashtag, wceu 2023. We also have a little bit of update on five for the future. So that was a big topic last year. And so far this year we've seen some pretty healthy growth, not only in active contributors overall, but also in specifically individual pledges to the five for the future program as well as company pledges. So again, thank you all for your constant support of this excellent project. And we're gonna touch super briefly before I hand it over to Matias on extending the ecosystem. We've been talking a lot about one of our big goals which is to get open source alternatives to proprietary systems into as many tools as we can for the WordPress project. A quick update on Openverse. That project has been with us for a while. I heard it, you can applaud, we love working with you. Extra special exciting announcement, we finally got it onto its own home, openverse.org. We have nearly eight million images and audio files. Eight hundred million, that's way more exciting. Eight hundred million images and audio files on it, which I think is incredibly exciting. And then of course in 6.2 we made it available in the editor so you can hit first slash openverse slash media and it comes up as an option. And that's super exciting for me of course. Live translations are forwarded by you. Sorry, before I get to this one, we, I'm sure all of you have heard about at this point playground, WP playground, anyone? For the last remaining five of you who have not heard about it, you are now going to hear about it. It is one of my current favorite explorations that we have going on in the WordPress project. Live translations are forwarded by the new WordPress Playground API. You can now build WordPress applications that run instantly in the browser and don't require a PHP server. To get started, go to playground.wordpress.net and use URL parameters to pre-install any theme and a plugin from the WordPress directory. For example, a pendant theme. Once you're happy with the result, embed this live playground on your website using an iframe. And if you need even more, JSON blueprints allow you to provide step-by-step WordPress setup instructions. Run any PHP code, pre-install custom plugins, import site content, and more. This is how live translations are set up. And for even more control, use the JavaScript API. And what can you build with WordPress Playground? Let's take a look at a few inspiring projects. A live plugin demo on your website just like live translations. A pull request previewer like this one for Gutenberg. An interactive PHP code editor that enables learning directly in a browser and even on your mobile phone. A local development environment that works either in a terminal or as a visual studio code plugin and starts WordPress on your computer even if you don't have PHP, MySQL, or Docker installed. Learn more at developer.wordpress.org slash Playground and start building with WordPress Playground today. Yeah, but before we jump in, I just want to say how incredible this is. I mean, when WordPress started, we used to have to download a zip file, upload it to a server, configure MySQL, like all these sorts of steps. And one of our innovations was the famous five minute install that we tried to shorten the installation time to be faster. But literally now with WordPress Playground, for those who don't know, it runs WordPress inside of your browser. So it spins up a whole virtual instance using technology called Blasm. So we went from a five minute install to like a 500 millisecond install. Like literally like it's, I'm so excited for how, I'm sure many of you at Contributor Day got to play with it and how easy it makes. So the things we just showed where you can like preload themes, translations, this is now like an instant developer environment for anyone who wants to play with WordPress. And as you know, billions and more people come online on new devices, all of this runs on mobile phones too. So literally you can run WordPress on your phone in the browser, which is ridiculous. Amazing. Sorry, I just, Playground, I said it in the state of the word, but Playground just blows my mind. It's the closest thing to magic I've seen in my years working on WordPress. But now- So worth mentioning, because I am a big celebrator of all of our wins, I would just want to mention that this has been featured as like a WordPress experiment in all of the Google I.O. and Google I.O. Connect events. Yes, and so like they're paying attention to what we're doing and I think that's great. So congratulations all of you for that fantastic work with this fantastic magic. Now I'm gonna hand it over to a face we all know, Matias Ventura. What do you want to tell us about Bloomberg today? Thank you, thank you. I think the other cool thing about the Playground is that I think we keep finding use cases like they today. I think some of the workshops we're using it to like get people quickly started in the sessions and so on. So it's really cool to just see the- Our table lead at Contributor Day stood up and during his wrap up and was like, it turns out it's contagious. We have four tables. It was great, I loved it. Yeah, and the Glotpress project as well is using it for like live translations and stuff. It's really cool to see. Okay, I'll move on to the Little G project. Little G? This is the best term. So we have a video to show you that I'm really excited about because I think it tells a bit of the story for like now like around six years so far between when we started phase one all the way to phase two. And I think it's nice that it goes from like words to blocks to full design. So we'll just want to show you. ["The Little G"] Oh, that was all Gutenberg. Everything you just saw was created with Gutenberg. Yeah, all the designs are like block designs or patterns or something, which is to me I was reflecting the other day like since we started with a, wasn't really like something that we planned but I think the way that it has opened up the ability for like the design community to contribute to the project directly without depending on like a developer to translate their ideas into a design. I think to me it's really rewarding because I started my journey doing themes. So it's like really like speaks closely to me. And I'm really curious to see how like new generations embrace these sort of like the expressive capabilities that WordPress needs to keep evolving. I don't know if either of you heard but I believe that our theme group at Contributor Day created a new community theme from scratch using only Gutenberg the whole way through. Yes? Yes, Maggie agrees. Yes. Confirmation from the audience. That's typical word camp. I love it. Thank you. I'll move on to the next slide which is we'll talk a little bit about 6.3. We've been saying that 6.3 was going to be the sort of the wrap of these first two phases. Doesn't mean like our work is done of course. We'll have a lot of things to continue doing but it's like I think we're closing a bit of a chapter here. So can I interject with the four phases of Gutenberg? If you remember when we started Gutenberg we said there was going to be four phases. The first phase being when we, Gutenberg for the block editor for editing post, then we would go outside of the box and add live to edit a whole site in phase two. Phase three is going to be all about collaboration and workflow and then phase four will be multilingual. So when Matias refers to, we're almost done with phase two and how many years in now? Everything on how you count. Everything on how you count, yeah. How many, I think the partner was like nine years so I think like we're getting close to that. I will always now refer to the Parthenon in our timeline for scale. Great, sounds good to me. Beautiful. And one of the goals in 6.3 is also like to bring a lot of these features together into a more cohesive narrative. Like there's been a lot of features that can be sort of isolated in 6.3 we're really trying to bring it all together. So I'll be talking through a small demo. Hopefully you can see some of the details but this is stuff that you can already try in the plugin. We're still a few weeks away from the first betas. So if you want to try, you can install the plugin and play with it. One of the main focuses, we're introducing this sort of wayfinder tool where you can run commands and navigate to different pages quickly. Before that, the editor was really sort of focused on single pages and so on. So now you can just navigate the whole site, customize, like getting to the style book. We're introducing style revisions as well. So you'll be able to sort of compare how all your changes look and in the cyber you can see all the variations there. We want to add like a side by side comparison as well. But it's really like coming together to tell the story. Think the style book is also really interesting for some like enterprise use cases where they can sort of have a style guide and see like without getting like a single post or so to see how the whole design of blocks is coming together. The navigation menus is, we've been wrestling with it for a few times and I think we're like finally consolidating it so that you can, here is showing like how to edit some of those navigations without getting into the nitty gritty of the editor. You can do it from the outside. So that sort of balance is one of the main things we want to get here. You will see that it bounces between like this sort of zoom out view of your site and getting into the site. So there are some activities that you can do without getting boggled down into the complexity of the full editor and stuff that you can do outside. Once they are really like excited about this, this is showing the ability to sort of have like a more clear delineation between what is the content and what is the template. So if you're editing a page, you can like focus on the title, the content and so on. If you want to edit the template, it's going to tell you like, oh, hey, this is part of the template. It applies to the whole site. So you can like smoothly get into that state and edit everything. But the delineation is a bit more clear, which is a feedback we've been hearing from users, you all, developers and so on. It's, there's of course like a ton of refinements to just the interactivity, the drag and drop experience, performance. There's a whole lot of accessibility refinements that are really cool to see. We're introducing the finality ability to save your own patterns so people can, you'll see it. Now you can just have some design, you create your own pattern, you save it. And there's now a place to see, essentially all the patterns. Someone's excited. All the patterns on the site are going to be accessible from this sort of slight zoom out view, where you can see the ones that are coming from core, the ones that are from the theme and your own like save patterns. You'll be able to see them in a, this sort of mosaic view. And you'll be able to edit them in isolation as well. So you can just go into and customize this thing and reuse it across the site. So yeah, that's about it for 6.3. Just. Just it. That's it. So we'll be moving to Q&A now, I guess. Now it is totally open for questions. I'm gonna do the logistics because that is obviously my job. So if you would like to ask questions, we have a stand mic there, like in the middle of the aisles. We also have one floating mic in case folks cannot get down here to these. If you are the mic holder, shout. Oh, there. Moitz is our mic holder in case. You'll probably need to go up to the higher things in case anyone there wants to go. It looks like we already have some people lining up, but I actually have some prizes for the first three question askers. These are custom. An amazing designer friend of mine designed these little magnetic pop sockets that have the WordPress logo. So just kind of, if you have an iPhone, goes right on the back and then allows you to... Without all the sticky stuff on your phone. There's only a few of these in the world right now and I have three of them right here. So, do you have an iPhone for a question? No. Okay, I'm going to give it to you anyway and then you get to re-gift it to someone who does. It'll be like your magic token. So, should I ask my question? Yeah, please introduce yourself. Let's see how you are. Hello. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Milana Tapp, again, from Syria. And I have a question about sponsoring contributors. There is a platform, Open Collective, and they do all the logistics. And WordPress community has their own project there. So, there are two important things for this platform. First, it has done all the logistics to support anyone anywhere in the world. So, that is not a problem anymore. The other very important thing here is that anyone, individuals, and organizations can support, can give their finance there. So, right now, we have a few individuals who are doing that. Thank you so much. And we have Automatic actually gave $2,000. Thank you so much for that. So, my question is, this is all beautiful, you know, individuals who are more fortunate supporting others. But when you really think of it, it's us paying ourselves. So, my question is, can you, as Matt Giuseppa-Matias, or you as Automatic, encourage other companies to do the same as Automatic did and make this more sustainable? And what can we as a community do to make these donations from other organizations consistent so we can, you know, continue doing this? Thank you. Thank you for your question. I feel like I've looked at the open collective thing, but I haven't, I'm not current on it, so I'll definitely check it out after this. Thank you for letting everyone know about it. I'm glad that we're already supporting it, though. I will say that I just want to add on because there was more of like an introduction than a question. Yes, as we talk about Fire for the Future, which for those who aren't familiar, it's this concept that for companies to maintain the commons of WordPress, we have this kind of social norm, social moray that like companies, if you're getting something from WordPress, try to take 5% of that and put it back into the core or the community or the .org or the WordCamps or the whatever it is. And it's deliberately a little amorphous because how people might define it could be different. And definitely taking currency, hard dollars, and putting it back into a system like Open Collective is an amazing way for anyone to get back. But I also want to recognize, like, you know, people are taking out of 40-hour a week, two hours a week to volunteer or companies that have 100 people and have five of them working full-time on core. All of these different methods of contributing, it's really the flywheel that makes WordPress work. And I think the reason that we've been able to say, because so many open-source projects, including many who started around the same time of us, had a trajectory of, like, some growth and then they kind of whithered on the bind. I think what happened was there was too many people taking from the comments and I ended up putting back in. And so the community spirit of WordPress is, I think, one of the reasons we've been able to not just be successful, but actually accelerate over the years. So, yeah, thank you for telling us about this. And come on down. I'll give you this little pop socket thing. Well, that's happening. I'm going to add to the answer. Also, some of you who were here last year or watched the presentation last year also know that we created the Sustainability Channel right in the middle of the presentation. And that particular group has become a team and one of the things that I asked them to do at Contributor Day this year was to help us figure out how to do that part of the question, how to answer that part of the question, help companies know how to find people who need to be sponsored, help people who want to be sponsored get paired with companies because right now, basically, you go to me or Matt and we help you find the other side of it and that is not sustainable either. And so, in case you didn't hear the wrap up for that, the Sustainability Team is working on sustainability as far as the software goes from an electricity standpoint, sustainability for our gatherings, making sure that we're using our materials to the best of our ability. And then I asked them to add in that part also to make sure that we as a community remain sustainable for as long as we possibly can. Yeah. We go over here. Hello. My name is Birgit Alson from Germany and I have a question to our WordPress community leadership, you. How do you think we can evolve as a community in creating more diversity, equality, and inclusivity in our environment and the whole WordPress community? We have the WP Diversity Working Group to encourage people to speak and make more, but I think more broader and to also make kind of a deputy program to ensure that diversity and equality and inclusivity is met not only on work camps, but also meetup groups, but also in the contributing groups. So how do you think can we do better in a community and what do you think is a leadership? It's possible to create some kind of committee or deputy program to ensure DEI initiatives within the WordPress community. Me? Excellent. Firstly, thank you so much for your question and also hello. So yes, so for folks who have been kind of listening to what we're doing in the WordPress project this year and certainly who've been watching what Matt or I have been saying in events that we go to, we have been asking not only WordPress in our places, but also other projects and other events where we are part of it to help us make sure that where WordPress is putting its time and attention, it also has good representation. There were a couple of different events that I went to earlier this year where I asked them to please join us in that, but I do also understand that WordPress too, as good as we have become at this, has plenty of distance to go because when you have things that are imbalanced, you always have to work to maintain the balance even once you've gotten to it, like the work is ongoing. And so there are many initiatives. I personally don't know the names of all them, but I know that I have currently a proposal on my desk for exactly this type of team and I've been working with them kind of to review what they're proposing, review what would make that sustainable as far as a team goes, but also we have a couple of other initiatives based on the feedback that you all gave us about representation on the stage, representation in our contributor spaces, and also just generally making sure that we have some connection to the groups that we know that we're missing and the groups that we need to hear from that we don't know are missing yet. And so I appreciate this question and the fact that you all always work to help keep us accountable to that. And like you said, just because we have this answer, this thing, that project, doesn't mean that we think we're done with it. So I hope that is an answer. I'll also add that this is something, it's kind of an exciting question because it's not just even if we create this committee or something, this is actually something that every single person here in this room can contribute to. And one of the things that makes me most proud is when I hear folks come up to me and say, I came to a work camp and I felt so welcome. And there's so many, especially in these modern times, when there's so much division, so much acrimony to have a community of people around a shared idea, ideal of democratizing, publishing and open source come together and be welcoming. And so something every single person here can do is whenever you see someone who might seem like they're on the edges or might need some help or something like that, like how can I make this person feel welcome? And just if you're always, if every one of us is always asking ourselves that, we will continue to be the type of community that has all types of people. And if I can give a fast example that I saw specifically for this event, there were people who are coming here or who are not here at all in watching Via Livestream who shared suggestions about how to do that while you are an attendee. So I think Matt Cromwell maybe was like, if you see somebody and you don't know that you know their name or they know your name, like just go ahead and proactively tell them who you are, introduce yourself, especially if you're in the introvert group, we have to look after our extroverts, we have to look after our introverts. But then also we have people who tweet, like don't forget the Pac-Man rule, when you go to word camps, like leave a space for someone to join. Like people, even when they're not here, are looking out for the ways that we can make those small impacts. So absolutely, I agree.  Can someone take it to her? Sure. Thank you. Thank you. Hi people. My name is Matteo. M-A-T-T-E-O for the subscribers. Hi, subscriber. Hi Matt, nice to meet you. Hope you're doing well. Hi Josefa. Hi, Mattia. So be, no, no, no, E, it's M-A-T-T-E-O, please. No, we're good. Sorry. Okay, so I was, I wanted to ask two questions so much fast. I hope to be as speedy as I can. First, Matt, are you, Matt, Josefa and Matteo, are you going into the other party today? Yeah. Second question is... Definitely. I'll see you all there. Second question is, I actually love all the updates that Gutenberg is doing. A real problem to me now is that I actually have all the tools to create a great design, but since I'm not a designer, I really don't know what to build. So are you preparing something, like AI or something like that? Or also suggestion, also approaches, because that's a pattern, a good start, but I hope that you may, that we as a community create something more for this approach. Oh, and for instance, congratulations for the videos. It was like an Apple event or something like that. Yeah. They're down here, the people who did that. It was beautiful. Thank you for the question. I think it's a really like a great, like you mentioned like patterns are sort of in that area, but I think there's so much that we can do to, right now like the pattern gallery is really growing in size, but like really to use patterns as a way to teach the sign and to make sure that it, I don't know if you're composing something and you write a few blocks that we can suggest you like, oh, there's a pattern that is presenting these blocks in a certain way that combines this in a good way. I think there's a lot that we can do there. We haven't really, we started exploring like transformations you can do when you select multiple blocks. I think AI has really like a, there's a good place there to experiment with because you can imagine like from what you're writing, like we can connect to this relatively large library of designs and sort of combine them in interesting way. Also transformations of them, like if you want to cycle between different patterns. I think that's the, to me, one of the ultimate goals of patterns is to like bring these tools to people like you said, maybe you don't have like a design background, but if WordPress can offer you like the best design from the community, from all the designers all over the world, like, and I think that's the other part. Like it's also not like one specific design, but a really diverse set of design perspectives across the world. I think that patterns are really the communication layer there, but I think we need to do more to combine them in interesting ways, surface them at the right time, guide you when you're creating a page, like these are the sections, these are like the elements that you put in this way or that way. And do you know how many like block themes we have so far? How many block buttons? Block themes. Block themes? Anyone down there? No one from top of your head? Over 300? Over 300, yeah. What do you think the future of themes is going to be? Easy question. Well, I think like part of what the video captures, I think is, or tries to capture, is that there's sort of like a shape shifting between like each theme into the next. And the idea there is to communicate that it's all part of the same sort of experience and UI. So it's like the whole point was to get people to not have to learn how to do things in so many different ways. So like it's not so much like having like one theme, it's just like you can combine them with like whether the patterns, the style variations, the theme. And it's all compatible with each other. You can replace the header of your theme with a header that you like from another theme. And it's just... Yeah, I used to hear from users that they would like the typography of one theme. Exactly. But then the colors of another theme, they were having to choose between them. Yeah. Like your sheep photo. The sheep photo that people loved in 2010 or something, the photo I took when I was with Donica in Ireland. But it was... Yeah, I think it's actually gonna be a real challenge for us that we need to figure out because now that themes allow so much customization is how to show that when you're choosing a theme, you can actually have almost infinite variations of typography, color, and sometimes even layouts from them. And maybe what we call a theme needs to sort of have like a baseline. Maybe it's sort of more about the layouts and then the colors into typography is always interchangeable. Yeah. And with tools like this style, you should be able to see like, oh, I really like the style that this theme has for the quotes. And I want to use that. And what I want to like grab like different, combine them in different ways. I think all of that is started to open up. Like we didn't show it there, but we have like some really cool flows for previewing themes and previewing styles. And the patterns that themes packages, I think it's getting into a really like interesting... And with the playgrounds, now we can... Yeah.  It can really be fully interactive previews, which has always been one of the coolest things that you can, for any WordPress theme, you can click preview and see your whole sites. Totally reimagined. Thank you so much for that question. And I've got your... And again, if you don't have an iPhone, you now have like a magic token. So you can re-gift this to someone who you, you appreciate or has done something for WordPress or whatever. Question on this side. Yeah? Yeah? Hello. First of all, I would like to say a massive thank you for each and every one of you who participated in this conference and who organized it and who made it so amazing. That's such an honor for us to be a part of it again. I'm a member of a web design studio from Ukraine and you can only imagine how important it is to us to feel welcomed and supported on each and every step of the way. Wow. So, thank you. Thank you so much. I'm curious. Who is here? You're here from Ukraine? Yes. Who else is here from Ukraine? So, guys! Wow! Wow! That's incredible. Thank you so much. So, my question is, like the Gutenberg has been a hot topic for such a long time and we've seen like a massive change that it created and now every bit of information is about AI. So, our company has been developing an AI software that will help basically any firm a company who deals with customer support and make it automatic. So, it's called SubPilot for everyone and my question is, how soon do you see this Gutenberg and AI integration and what should we expect in this term? Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. In my entire career in technology, which is about 20 years now, I've never seen things moving as quickly as they are right now. It's really incredible and it feels like entire years of progress are happening in weeks or months in the AI field. And so, I think that some really cool stuff is shipping. I actually just a few days ago Jetpack AI launched with a number of blocks and everything. We're still figuring out pricing models and usage models and everything for this new technology. But the other exciting thing is that the demos are amazing, like check out the Jetpack AI stuff. And it's not just the demo, you can actually run it today and create content and very soon it'll be able to create blocks or maybe entire themes. You can already ask ChatTBT to write wordpress plugins and they execute. It's weird. It's read all of wordpress' code. It's read all the 55,000 plugins and themes. So it already knows us, you know. And that's why I think, I've said it many, many times, but I believe that the two mega trends of the next 20 years are going to be open source and AI. And they're highly complementary. Because when you think about it, AI is going to want to, as AI is building things, it's going to do it on open source frameworks and technologies. For obvious reasons, the same reason we all open source. I guess the final thing I'll say is what's deciding is like the really cool stuff we're seeing is the worst stuff we're going to see. It's going to get so good, so fast. So I think we're still on like the MS-DOS command line versions of this. But like literally later this year, I think it's going to get much better. And I think, you know, as we start to look to like this time next year when we're back, have we announced where work camp's going to be next year? Nope, nope. I won't spill it then. What did they say? No. Wordpress are automatic. It's a ship that leaks from the top. So the, uh, the, it's, it's, I can't wait to see what's going to be around. And, um, it's going to put so much power that it's a very democratizing technology. It's, um, just like one of the most beautiful things about technology is like, um, you know, Tim Cook's iPhone is not better than the iPhone that you or I have. And how amazing is that? Um, so like we all have access at some level to, to these technologies and, you know, for free now on bar, chat, GBT, other things, we can all get access to essentially the most advanced new intelligences in the world. And it does almost feel like we're, we're creating a new intelligence or I won't call it a form of life, but definitely a form of new intelligence. So, um, if, you know, I think I said this, but, you know, in 2016 I came on stage, I was like, learn JavaScript deeply. That's right. And, um, that's actually going pretty well. So thank you. Good job. Um, we like basically most new code and WordPress now is JavaScript. And what we've done with Gutenberg and everything has been pretty incredible. And, um, and obviously JavaScript has become kind of the standard of most modern development. Um, I would encourage everyone here in this room to be playing with these tools. Uh, play with chat, GBT, play with other AI tools. The open source stuff is catching up really quickly. And, um, I would encourage you all to be spending at least a few hours a week, um, following up and also just playing with it. It's an amazing personalized tutor. You can use it to ask questions. You can use it for rewriting your posts. It's just, it's, the possibilities are endless. And as you get better and better, just like in the early days, like some people were better at googling than others. And that was kind of a competitive advantage. What they call prompt engineering or talking to the AI and asking it what to do in an intelligent way. You can get amazing results. You can do what you want. Um, keep trying. Keep playing with it. And like look up some of these things. Um, I feel like this capability is going to be as important as like literacy or typing or something like that. The ability to leverage these AIs. So, everyone, learn AI tools deeply. We also, yeah. There is also a current, and I think currently active, discussion happening about AI and WordPress, particularly, um, someone on our social and or things team will share that, that link. But there's an active discussion at the moment. So you can join that as well. Thank you. Hi, I'm Adam. I've been doing some work on WordPress Playground and I don't have a question. I just wanted to share something I'm excited about that I'm just starting to realize during this conference. Because WordPress Playground is WordPress running in JavaScript, where we could run JavaScript apps, which means you can build a native mobile application using WordPress Playground. Ship it in App Store, a tablet app, a desktop app. My colleague Ella sitting over there, she's working on a notes application that allows you to write notes in Gutenberg and then synchronize them over all your devices. So, we may see the entire WordPress ecosystem storming over the, all the devices that we're using every day. WordPress will be everywhere. Yay! So, imagine building a mobile app that's just a WordPress plugin and then you just ship it on all the devices.  And maybe even creating it in Gutenberg by clicking things. And if you want to change how it looks, just apply a different theme. So, just something I wanted to share. Thank you. Hello, my name is Patricia. I'm from Geneva in Switzerland. I'm a community contributor by organizing local meet-ups in WordCams. My question is the usual suspect in Europe, at WordCamp Europe. Is it GDPR or multilingual? Yeah. The second one there. So, basically, basically, a lot of people is eager to know an approximate ETA for the end of phase four or when we will be able to use multilingual in the Gutenberg editor or the Gutenberg project. Wow. Protect the future. I think we said something on stage before. Do you recall? We said phase three was starting next year. Phase three was starting now. Yeah, after 6.3, we'll start with phase three properly. I think there's enough overlap there that we can start getting a clear sense of when phase four can happen. I think it's also good. For example, we're thinking about five years where AI for translation where it's going to be and how can we make sure that we're building towards... Yeah, we're not getting too ahead of ourselves in there. But it's like... I think maybe next year we can start with some... And I think you have a community exploration plugin that's kind of taking a look at that. Not you, Patricia, you Toby next to you. Yeah, I know. Sorry everyone who's watching this. You brought up my question from last year. I was planning to say I can talk more about that thing with you after consuming at least one ticket tonight. I hope it will digest well that ticket. But yes, I get the feeling now that when you're talking about maltylingual you're talking about some machine translation and you want it to be good enough. But when I hear that I tremble with because to me machine translation yes, it is getting better by the week but my view is and a lot of people are with me on this that it always needs to be checked by a human before you publish it. And therefore I don't see a reason to delay the maltylingual part of WordPress core too much because it's more about making a decision and then... Just to clarify we're not delaying WordPress is fundamentally trying to be a content management system for everything. The complexity of maltylingual becomes that now every single object in WordPress categories, tags, blocks, everything which right now is kind of like a one to one relationship or the data types has to become a mini to mini relationship. That's part of why we have to do collaboration and workflow before we get to maltylingual because we need to have workflows for how when something has changed in one language so we're very much now whether you're choosing machines or humans to do the translation that's up to the site owner I 100% agree with you that I think that for many, many, many publishers you know across Europe for many, many reasons it will be human driven maybe they'll use a machine to accelerate the human but like you still want a person kind of saying like this is the content that we're publishing on the website that we've generated so it adds a multifactorial level of complexity to all of our data models and doing that right is part of is going to be the most complex thing we've ever done in WordPress and so that's why we're really I would actually extend Matias' timeline before we move on I think we need like 18 to 24 months of phase 3 before we can really start breaking apart the data models in WordPress and we need to figure out how to do so in a backwards compatible way which is going to be we go backwards compatible basically to like WordPress .72 so we need to figure that out before we move on to your answer of that Patricia I want to help you reclaim your time and make sure your question got answered I messed that up I'm sorry thank you very much I just want to say also that's why it was important to conclude phase 2 where we're making all the aspects of your website accessible to people so they can edit it once we model all of that then we'll have a better idea of how can we make all these objects also like translatable in multiple ways and we're still at Contributor Day we were tossing some ideas on how to connect custom fields with blogs so then once we add that dimension we also need to think about what's going to be the multilingual story of custom fields when they are connected with blogs so it's important to get like the base layer in a good place start developing some of these collaborative editing ideas because I think many things will start falling into place much better and also I think we really rely on all the community explorations that are already going around like how to approach how to do multilingual I think that really gives us a sense of like which paths are working best what things are resonating with people and so on that's important to see and the architecture is going to be so tricky I literally stay up at night thinking about this sometimes because do we do it in a single site model and then make the data structures much more complex or do we basically do a multi site model where each language is like a separate word press in the multi site and then have some way to synchronize them and have workflow between them and permissioning between them so that they sort of appear as one site to the user or as a multilingual site but in the back end where we're doing essentially a multi site which I think might be a good approach but I don't want to say that is the right approach because I think we really need to spend many many hours like actually kind of building some of these different approaches and just trying them out looking at all the plugins out there and like seeing what performance is going to be so important and so WordPress is getting faster and faster with that release we want to make sure as we add this complexity that we don't slow it down Also like the translation UI there's really cool explorations happening on the Glotpress site on how to translate the software itself like more the interface not the content but there's a lot that we can take from that experience that's something I think we can get going much earlier to get like information on what works for translators what's the best user experience and so on If someone could share that live translation link I don't know it off the top of my head or I would say it that would be excellent I don't know why I'm looking up there Folks I keep gesturing to our committers and team reps that are down here to help me Question over there Oh we're going to go upstairs Hello Hi I'm up here Michelle for chat New York and the question has to do with no panacea for inclusion Uh oh It's cutting out I heard you say there's no panacea for mentorship and inclusion There's Sorry There's no panacea for mentorship inclusion and getting the next generation of people into WordPress but mentorship can be one way to help people into the community I think we do a really good job of our release squats with shadowing and mentorship there with my side projects that I have I'm always being asked to add mentorship to those things but my projects are small by comparison to all of WordPress So do we have any ideas or plans for official mentorship programs in the WordPress community I do I'm Diane the hero Thank you Anyone want to take this before I take it Just in case So yes I'm so excited So for the most part when I talk to people who are currently contributing to WordPress or tried to contribute to WordPress and kind of took a break one of the things that makes the biggest difference is whether or not they found someone to mentor them they don't always call it a mentor they sometimes call it a buddy or they're like oh so and so it's just like hey that looks like you are worried about asking dumb questions ask them to me I'm happy to help like those are always every time I talk to contributors the thing that makes the biggest difference for people who want to stay for a long time and so we do we have a trial program right now happening so in our five for the future program we have a trial a pilot program I think that's launching today did launch yesterday July 12 July 12th where we have asked those companies that are part of the five for the future program as part of what they're giving back be mentorship of especially underrepresented voices but anybody who's trying to get started as an individual contributor in the WordPress project I think it's very exciting but I also think it's going to take a lot of time and attention and resources to get it right and so for anyone who also feels like gosh I really succeeded because of this one person or these three people that really helped me to figure out where I was going versus where I wanted to go go check it out someone's going to share it also on social media so that we can see the pilot and keep an eye on how we can help get that done but absolutely 100% I will I will do that until we can't figure out how to do anything better about it I agree hi my name is Jonathan I'm a member of the training team and I work with a few other contributors in the training team creating content specific for our extended community so plugin developers, theme developers, anybody who writes in code and one of the questions I get a lot from folks is does WordPress have an engineering best practices document handbook whatever the case may be and I know that we don't so I will usually send them things like WordPress VIPs engineering best practices human made 10 up all those enterprise level sort of agencies that have those best practices my question is do you think as an open source project we should have best practices document if you don't why and if you do what should we start doing to make it happen thank you I know like my impressions that I think that it's it's very important to have like this the ones you mention around like the extended ecosystem having like a bit more opinionated things and see like more than the core project having like two strong opinions on some things but it's a balance I think like what we don't have like a super formal things I think it's important to have like I don't know similar to like Apple's human interface guidelines things that we can do for well these are the things that we have learned and we want to encourage other to do like when you're developing a blog when you're developing a plugin or a theme we do some of those things through but I think there's always a risk to become like too prescriptive and innovation and exploration and diversity that can happen in the ecosystem so I think that's the balance that we need to achieve I wouldn't be like super category on one way or the other I think it's good to be thinking about it and bringing it up and also learning from like if there's something that again human made or other agencies are coming up that really works and it's really like we can bring it back in but I think it's important to not be too to stifle with I know we're running out of time but we have a lot more questions should we try to go through them quickly or how are we doing do we need to end right up five or I saw a shaking head and a nodding head okay we go a few extra minutes so let's try to go through the the remaining ones quickly so we'll do the people who are still at the mic and then those will be the last questions so okay hello I'm Toby global mentor for the polyglots first I have a quick question to the room who here does have English as their native language wow wow so the point I want to make with this is that for WordPress mission to stay true about democratize publishing we really need to make sure that WordPress becomes available in a lot of different languages and we are doing that already and we are trying step-by-step but it's hard to add more languages but what I see now is that there are so many different teams struggling with how to get their content translated and these translations maintained I'm talking about training I'm talking about documentation and subtitling developer so many different things and we need to create some new or additional way of handling these translations in an efficient and smart way and my quick question probably to Giuseppe is do we have the full support from the project we may need financial support we may need some organizational support in actually making this happen I mean I always hesitate to say that you have my full financial support which is what you asked but in general you always have our polyglots always have my full support to make sure that what you need that I can provide that WordPress can provide that the community can provide that you should have it I know that sometimes I come to me with questions and I'm like I'll come back to you and then a week later I'm like hey you might have forgotten but I said I'd come back and here I am there's just a lot of things that are part of it so I will not pledge anything that I will not be able to actually get my hands on but obviously you all have my full support to get efficient stuff so we're gonna jump to another question though we are going to need other people's support as well because with only one version supported won't work thank you it's really great being here and asking questions again I'm Courtney Robertson I'm at GoDaddy I am also a part of the training team and last year at the same conference I asked about getting multi-lingual working inside of Learn WordPress happy to report a year later we've got many languages it's not elegant it's all in the same site and it's not ideal but there was a great meeting that during contributor day and a few others for improving that so ask your questions because you will see progress my question today it revolves around I was part of a talk in the WP Connect session on funding open source M5 for the future and it's very very deeply personal to me in my journey through WordPress and to where I am now and I am one of the founding members of the WPCC and I'm happy to have those conversations to explain further what's going on with that I've had people ask even last year Europe was my first time to take a last year's Europe was my first time to take a plane to get to a work camp and there I met Sean from American Eagle and he was sharing with me that it's hard to bring from their organization it's hard to bring contributors in to do something for a particular length of time because without it being organized like they're used to internally working as a team in sprints it's a little bit lost and this idea came up again yesterday and could we do it in a way that is open and inclusive that maybe organizations could be a little more they would have more transparency of exactly where across are now 22 teams we have 22 of them now so across the 22 teams could we see that plug and review was needing some more staff could we have a public way of seeing where the needs are across the teams maybe some initiatives that we certainly want and want to be exclusive but could bring some clarity organization that for this period of time maybe between the holidays some companies have slumps at that time maybe between their holidays they could dive in and do a thing during that time and then move on for a little bit and then come back again so ways of creating opportunities in unique ways of contributing that would not be exclusive by any means and again I think elevating that transparency of what the teams need would perhaps open up more of that staff labor and funding directly to help contributors I have a quick answer here which is an idea I've been thinking about and we'll try to keep this short so I think in organizations when I say this work well is you change what you measure and one thing I'd love to get more on WordPress.org is some sort of like dashboards essentially like we have the download counter we have some stats or plugins and other things but like what if you could kind of look across the 22 teams and each of those 22 teams hatch a metrics attached and like a health metric and this was how many work camps there were last year this year whatever each team can define its own metrics but then there was kind of like a red yellow green for how things were going I think that would be really powerful and then you know that would be fun for motivating I think for everyone working on it and also if you're coming in and you're like okay what needs help look at the red stuff so just want to plant that seed of an idea in everyone's mind thank you Hello I'm Kamrul Islam I came from Bangladesh and I have two questions, teeny question first one is will you add volunteer badges on WordPress.org profile and my second question is can I take a selfie with you guys right now go ahead and take the selfie why answer your first question oh you're going to come up oh maybe don't come up on stage you can do it from here and I will definitely be at the party and by the way I love meeting people I love taking pictures so alright so while you're doing that thank you it's a quick one yes we could definitely add volunteer badges to the profile pages and I think actually WordPress.org profiles are going to get way cooler over the next year I was just actually talking to Yoast about some ideas around that earlier so definitely something I want to work on thank you Hi everyone I'm Ra from Libya and I have a couple really quick questions first one is recently we started with three of my friends we started web designing startup and now that we're here in World Camp Europe I couldn't pass on the opportunity to ask the great Matt for his advice for us second question is now with the release of Gutenberg and now without bearing into mind that WordPress is a privately traded company Matt do you have any plans to take the company public yeah that's it so to clarify WordPress is an open source thing automatic is probably what you might have been referring to is a privately traded company and an advice for web design startup so for automatic I'll just say that it's great having flexibility so we're lucky to have great long-term investors I do wish that more of the WordPress community could own a chunk of automatic and just like you can own many other companies in the WordPress space there's something nice about that so that's the one thing that would make me want to be more public but other than that I would say that the flexibility that's allowed for us to make very very long-term bets as a private company is really nice thank you so much as a web design company I would say I would repeat what I said earlier to leverage AI tools and also remember that what you're charging for is not how long it takes it to do it or what it costs the value you're generating for your clients so charge based on that value thank you so much Matt I appreciate the opportunity and then finally raise your prices I think we have one last question one last question alright bring it home hello thank you my name is Piotrek and I just came from a sustainability workshop and there is a very specific question that we came up with is it possible to make one simple change in terms of where all the files for the WordPress repository are stored so that would definitely be one step further to make it more sustainable to choose the proper storage that would generate less CO2 so if that's possible to change where the WordPress is so like I'm not sure if I understand we were thinking about in many ways of how we can decrease the CO2 so this is like minimizing the file size of the WordPress itself as a file and then all of the plugins all of the other files everything that is running our ecosystem the good news is that Moore's law and other things is on our side WordPress is getting faster more efficient if you added up all the WordPresses in the world it's probably like less than one container boat or something of CO2 emissions so I would say I'm a technological optimist in this regard there's obviously so much work we need to do around carbon capture and other things but we are on the cusp of abundant clean energy and that many of these issues we've been dealing with over the past 100 years hopefully we can start to reverse so that's my optimism that's actually a good place to end a very optimistic note so Matt, Josepha thank you all stay around for closing remarks thank you