larger conversation. It should be... It should be something that we say is what Vader thinks as a result of all the other things he's saying. You should be able to pick it all up.   It's like, no, no, no, no. We wouldn't need that either. We want things said that are really insightful, meaningful for the two of them to actually say, this is your chance. You're ruining it. Our season's second act low point is maybe, if you want to have them meet sooner, the season's second act low point is Vader has sort of tracked Obi-Wan down and they're in close proximity. Vader then starts talking aloud about like he does with Luke. You can unhide forever, Luke. Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends. He's going to start talking aloud about what he did during Order 66 in the Jedi Temple and it makes Obi-Wan angry.  He could talk about more people who've died as a result of going into exile. Exactly. Well, remember and return to the Jedi. Yes. Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong, especially for sister. And that's how we lose Luke out. So you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Exactly. That's Vader. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. Vader's so much cooler.  If you will not turn to the dark side then perhaps she will. He's like, you should have seen Mace Winder.  You know, just saying things to make him angry. Have you ever wondered what happened to what's her face? Ahsoka here, you know, something like that.  Draw him out. Obi-Wan kind of gives into that dark part of himself and he has to learn to find his way despite all of the guilt he might feel inside of him and all the bad things that have happened. He has to stay focused on the future, focused on his mission, on getting Luke on the path. It's not all over and you have to live to fight another day. You can have him going out. Several of the Jedi that have been hunted down over the decade, a lot of them when interrogated, when brought to their last limits, they are desperate for you and you abandoned them. Yeah, and you weren't there. Why? And then you could be like, because you fear me. And like Obi-Wan could be like, I don't even, this is the thing. In our version Obi-Wan knows Vader exists. That's not it. Yeah, yeah. This isn't a surprise. It's not fair.  Vader definitely has. Well, both of them, why wouldn't they have a conversation? Why isn't it, I'm gonna put you in the fire. I don't like you. And then Obi-Wan runs away. Like, oh, terrible. Yeah, I always wondered if I'd see you again. Or something. Something, something. I got something. Something between these two. You totally have bungled one of the best potential payoffs that the story could have. And it's, it's all just, you've wasted it. Thoroughly wasted it. Completely wasted. I was gonna make you good, like you made me good. It's so cool. The light, the focus on this, it just ignores everything else that happens in that episode. Yes. We are in this field. Oh, damn. Why? Let's not wait. Let's go talk to this chap and get on his part. Don't say anything. Oh, feel free to speak freely with this stranger. Yes. Let's get on the barge. Oh, no. Imperial troopers. Stormtroopers are here. What are we going to say? Oh, whoops. Your name's not Leia. Wait, that's, that's her mom. Yeah. That's, I get him confused. I'm not Obi-Wan. Like what? What are we doing? No, he's a Obi-Wan. Episode three was so much worse than two. One of them. They can't construct, I can't wait for four. They can't construct one event leading to the next to save their lives.   I don't understand how a person could not be in this exact location.  Like, I guess it makes sense. That truck was going and then it got to the place. That makes sense. I still take major issue with the meat shield. That bothers me to know. Yeah. I didn't know that he ratted him out. And even if he did. And even, he didn't even rat him out. He's just like, I found some weird people. Can you check him out? It's not even ratting him out. It's just like, these are basically police officers. I found these random people in a field. Like, can you check them out? Yeah. I think it's trying to, I think it's trying to, I think that they're trying to justify it with, hey, he liked the empire, so it's fine. Oh, so I can't use him as a human shield. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even believe that's something like a Jedi would do, just ever, really. It feels so out of character and so out of, out of order, dare I say. It's not going to wake up. It's going to wake up as well.  Yeah. And then Kenobi blocks it, flips him around. That's what, instead, the guy is like, oh no, leave me alone. Like, he looks panicked. Yeah. And Kenobi uses him as a shield. It's, it's not right.    You have a lightsaber. You can like fight three stormtroopers. Come on. He took out five of them and a probe droid, which probe droids can't shoot you. So there's six enemies. And then he can't take on three. You can argue four with the girl in the back. And they let him keep his gun when he goes down. It's like when the other guy captures layers, like, drop it and then he just shoots the dude. It's like, what was that? What's the point of like a drop the gun? I got you. I guess he didn't have it. I'm sorry, but I got this on screen right now. If this is the state of your prisoner, like, you might be like spot the problem with this image. Is there anything here that maybe it looks like? Yeah. It's not as big as the trigger. Especially when you have reason to believe that this is a Jedi, you know?  I don't know why I wouldn't shoot him instantly. Yeah. Like, look, those are your friends. They were dead back there. Like, dude. They didn't wait around. They were like surrender. Then she started shooting. Oh, God. Also, there's a... Obi-Wan doesn't use the force in this episode when I feel like in these situations, having this kind of power is very good. Especially if you're... Dude, I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the episode 6 he cracks it back open, speaks to Obi-Wan, Luke is safe, Leia's safe. That's how it ends. Sorry, speaks to... Yeah, Qui-Gon, man.  I wouldn't be surprised. I think Qui-Gon isn't a certainty. I think he'll only see Qui-Gon when he's like... I think it'll be symbolic of him coming through his depression. It'll be episode 5. At the end of episode 5, he'll give him a pep talk and be like, it's okay.  I'm gonna try again and then it'll be like, thanks Qui-Gon for helping me out. And then Qui-Gon will be like, yeah, no worries. It's what I do. I'm not up to anything else really. My timetable is wide open.  You'll find footage of us talking about this show and then how, oh God, the invader and Kenobi back together doing things. It's so risky. And it's just like, well, he is realized. Yeah. I mean, it's retroactively damaging Obi-Wan. Darth Vader as well. Like, you just let him escape. Just let him leave. Yep. Why not? How did what's-a-name escape as well? She shot them from the top and it's like, I guess not. They just didn't care. They ran up there. She shoots once and none of them can figure out the direction it came from, even though they saw the bolt. So they would have seen exactly like, you can guess like, oh, there's a hill there.  Yeah, we should go get her. And then a second bolt comes out. And they still don't know where she is. And they don't chase her. What do we do guys? Oh my God. It's just start shooting into the fire where Obi-Wan. Think about this. Like, if he didn't do the fire thing, he couldn't have escaped. There would have been no way. Yeah. Nothing would have caught on fire. There would have been nothing.  Like- This seems weird to me. Like it did before. The stuff is smouldering and she sets it back on fire. It's like- How does that happen? I don't understand how that works. Why don't you just put it out again? Yeah, he couldn't. Yeah. The first time. He just decides to let Obi-Wan escape because he wants him to turn around and- Why are they- They get full control over the set piece and they make it retarded. Like why would you do this? Why would all of your freedoms, do you make it this way? And then we have to just- This is what you envisioned? Like in your head when you thought about this moment, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? This is what was in your head? This is what your mind came up with? But Rags, we've got a really cool visual of Vader behind fire. Wow. That's really great. Because I couldn't- Because when I saw that visual, all I was thinking of, like why it wasn't- Why isn't he putting it out? He could probably just walk through it. Simplifies us how that burning his character. Over one. You gave me a burning, burning heart touch. I'm going to do it to you now. Hee hee.  I can tell this one made you upset. It's Vader. Leave him alone. He's stuck. Yeah. We haven't done him yet. Did you like to part where Obi-Wan watched them kill people? Yeah, and he didn't react to it in any way? He didn't even have like an emotion on his face. But the problem with that scene is that they try to make it out as though it's like you have a choice. Run with a lair to get out of here or fend off Vader to increase his survival chances. And it's the worst of both worlds. He walks off like idiotically. He doesn't help any of the civilians. Then he gets caught and incapacitated by Vader while lair is caught. All of the worst things happen. Just pretty riddled from top to bottom with terrible riding.  Mother's right. This is the worst of all worlds. This is the infinite multiverse of bad shows. We just got the worst one. I see. This is the longest of our three recordings that they're only going to get long.  More and more annoying. Can I just say special shout out to Rogue One. You had Darth Vader in it.  That was legit cool. He was in character and he did things that Vader would do.  The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. Its power to create problems has certainly been confirmed. A city destroyed. An Imperial facility openly attacked. Apology accepted, Captain Nida. Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director. You didn't just, ugh. They just made a load of Rogue Ones. Stuff like that. Yeah, I can't believe we're wishing for the world. They just made a bunch of Rogue One level stuff. Star Wars is probably going to be a relatively healthy place. You'd be saying, you know, there's nothing as outstanding as the original. It's fine, they're doing some stuff and it's enjoyable. Because here it's just pain. It is pain. It's like I'm being dragged through fire in a dirt pile. You'll know something worse. You'll know something worse. Well, that doesn't do much Raxid to worry about it. You'll be fine. Ah, okay. You want to know something all upset you guys even a little bit more? Alright, go for it. I was like, I went to Twitter right away and I decided to, you know, share my immediate take as I generally do with these episodes. And I thought that the appropriate way to do it with this one would be to tweet out pictures from the episode and say, people who saw this episode without laughing derisively, why?  People going, I don't know, like it's got some problems, but like it's fine. It's like, and that's the overwhelming response. There are a few people who are like, yeah, it's really bad. I agree. But the overwhelming response is an episode. What are you talking about? Okay. Well, I couldn't even read it all the way. I'm sad. How is functional? The first word anyone thinks of to describe this. This episode is absolutely dysfunctional. To a degree that's kind of insane. The least functional things I've ever seen.  We've got to get some stressful tension filled scenes with other stuff. It's like, so they land, have a bunch of stormtroopers outside and then get your tension that way. And they have to escape the ship without them realize there's stuff like that. Why did you do this? Why did you make everyone so stupid? Why did you have to do it? You didn't have to do it like this. Re-drafting probably would've. Well, this is like, it's so dire. It's so dire. Like we need, we get everybody where we need them to be regardless. I don't, I still don't understand how Reva got to the guy before. It's the, how did you know where the tunnel went? How would you know where the tunnel went? There's one tunnel, right? I thought there was just one path. There must not be. There must not be. Which otherwise she would've run past Leia. Exactly. She would've bumped into the other girl who's heading back to help Kenobi out. Yes. Yeah. And so we have to conclude that there is a series of tunnels down there and she happened to pick the right one and get ahead of Leia.  How does that make any sense? But what that means is that the girl that was helping him, she didn't tell Leia, okay, when there's a fork in the tunnel, you take left. Well, maybe we'll pass the fork at that point, right? Oh, maybe they were past the fork, of course.  It is. You'd think that the closest point between the two would be to run down the tunnel. Leia is now in the Empire's custody. Again. Yeah. And she's been travelling with Obi-Wan and Kenobi. Yeah. Both Obi-Wan and the lady both, they both decided, because Obi-Wan has a responsibility, he does, to get back to Tatooine to take care of Luke. Like, he needs to do that.  And then, like, the second one as well is, this lady is like, hey, can you make sure that Leia gets to safety? Like, that's all I need from you. And then she's like, you can handle this yourself, right? Leia, like, you can find your way on your own. I gotta go help Obi-Wan. They both abandoned her. Why?  I want to ask the people who made these scenes, like, do you think this makes the OT better? Do you think that seeing this makes it better? Yeah, they're like, ah, this makes it so much richer. Like, it makes it so much richer. Yeah. When Obi-Wan meets Darth Vader, that makes it so meaningful. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, yeah, he's a good friend. He remembers how he got burnt, like, put in the fire. He's obviously like, yeah, he's a good friend. What I mean, that scene works way better when everything between these two goes because of Obi-Wan having done so much too, Anakin. He knows what Anakin did.     I'm so glad that they've dragged Vader down, along with Obi-Wan. We gotta do them both.  The level field for everyone. Everyone needs to be as retarded as the other one.    If you accept at this point that Star Wars is just a series where everyone has an IQ of 30. That brain damage is still too much. That's just how intelligent people are in this universe, right? And the original trilogy, in some points in the prequels, there are some anomalies. There's just some people that get lucky and they have some good ideas by chance. Then I think everything lines up.  People can't walk around things in this universe. If something is between them and the thing you want to get to, they can't sort that out. Vader is just like, oh no, fire. You just put it out and he's like, oh no, Obi-Wan's too far away. It doesn't even look like Vader is doing anything or it's like concerns. I guarantee the first defense for all of this from fans will be like, no, no, no. Vader wanted this.  That's why the Stormtroopers keep shooting at him. It's especially good with the fact that every other time it looked like Obi-Wan was going to escape, Vader just teleported there out of nowhere.  Yeah, so it's actually a point for that, right? So you've got, there's an exit tunnel that leads to a pilot that leads to a ship that gets you off-planet.  He doesn't know where you are. It's like, all right, well, with everything you've explained to me, it sounds like our heroes can get out of here because they'll sprint down that tunnel away from Vader and toward salvation, right? No, actually, none of them can get out because of this situation. Oh, and then you're like, they are meters away from Vader, heavily injured, slow, and nowhere near any kind of ship or pilot or any help, but they escape because the episode ended there. Oh. Talent.  He won't just walk around. Grab him with a fork. You came all this way.  I'm not even sure how that works out time-wise. They're weird, slow-ass probes, and then they finally got there, and Vader is here, and Reva and all the other ones. I just... It doesn't take about the same amount of time to get from Mustapha to this planet as it does to get from wherever they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because Obi-Wan goes from city planet to new planet, and then Reva goes from city planet to planet where her bosses live, to have a meeting about how they need to send out the drones. Drones ascend, and they arrive and are prepared for Kenobi, like... Oh, of course, the timeline. How does it even go on? Ten minutes after he's arrived at that planet. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. You know, I knew that's what you were trying to say. I was trying to line up exactly. They were there for like a day at most, and by a day I mean like 12 hours. Yeah, so travel takes time.  Well, really, it was, right, with all of the time. Maybe they've got it. When he was like, oh, it's a long story. He's like, it's a long trip. It's like, no, it's not. It's literally like one minute. Yeah, like two minutes. Two or eight minutes. Yeah. And I know some of them would be like, nah, it's just montage cuts. They didn't talk about anything else. Oh, I thought they were just standing out in the field. They're just in the field. Oh, yeah, they were ravaging that field. Obi-Wan is so bad at it. That's what the Empire does. They just ravaged. Obi-Wan's so bad at being secretive that if their conversation lasted for a half hour, then it's over, because he wouldn't be able to keep lying. They would just be like, oh, so, you know, we're in this country or we're in this planet.  Or were you visiting? He has no idea what the names of anything here are. Yeah. Also doesn't even work out with the lady who was supposed to meet him there. Like, apparently she was there, but he was gone. Yeah, because he didn't wave. So they must have driven. Yeah, they were on water. Like lost each other at some point. And then she went back, get her uniform, get onto the transporter with the stormtroopers that happened to head there where Obi-Wan is. I just, no, it doesn't work. She didn't even... It's not enough time for anything of this to happen. And, uh, she would have known they were at the outpost because she was heading there. Um, because yeah, she had always not, she didn't call ahead to be like, oh, don't worry about checking those two. You know, I know them. They are locals. Don't worry about it. They've been here for years or they visited before. I know them. She didn't try that. She was like, no, I know the people of you. Yeah.  This episode is really, really broken. Terrible. It's not even funny. Like, it's absolutely broken. It was never funny Belle. And sometimes it is funny, but this isn't funny. This is just bad. No, yeah. It's sad. It is frustrating. Like, if you can't even... It's a writer. You can't even make sure that the places where your characters go actually make sense. I mean, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know what I'm gonna tell you. This is like it's like theater of the mind, but you have vertigo they weren't focusing on on logistics though They you know, they were focusing on making sure that they nailed the The cat's true. Yeah It is this is one of the biggest Wasted like that in terms of that that narrative opportunity cost This is one of the biggest losses I've ever seen. It's like you could have made a million dollars instead You had to pay 12. Oh, it's like Disney don't want to make money because I know that people be like What do you mean?  It would have been way more successful if it was well-written People be obsessed with it they'd be talking about it those people don't even don't we would be like man I can't yeah, I can't wait for the next show because everything they make is good to okay It's like they legitimately forgotten the franchises start up somewhere You know like arcane as a as a as an IP it's like a lot of people wouldn't even know it has anything to do with law Until someone tells them it didn't have like the benefit like that name is gonna get around the more They have good seasons and the more people be drawn in like Star Wars can always do that It seems to be relying almost exclusively on people who even know it exists anyway And it's just watching it for that reason. So I saw an original sci-fi series a while ago Honestly quite a lot better than what we saw today, and it didn't get around It was called another life It is not started honestly. Yeah, like quite like I Quite a lot might be pushing it but like better easily better Then episode three at least maybe probably worse than episode one You say anything and say it's better than this and I'll just believe you it's it didn't like it didn't start a franchise In fact, it was cancelled after two seasons because no one gave a shit about it because it was bad Episode three everybody Episode one was not good, but yeah, that's terrible episode two was terrible, and this is just a disaster Yeah, and so I'm gonna get worse imagine what four five and six haven't still a one I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. I think they're gonna have to try to get worse than this You know Right It's gotta be uphill from here The next episode will have five right maybe that means it'll be even better What if one of them actually had a really great story to tell and a super talented But the other three dipshits in the room wouldn't let them get the ideas down Oh and the one was just that bad or they had the most influence or like what okay? I could even see a scenario where like all four of them had great ideas and great stuff that they wanted to do And then the studio was like hey you all guys need to work together Oh, I like that idea put this in here, but like incorporate this other idea as well But that doesn't yeah, that's what we want like I could see that happening. Yeah, like a master chief He'll be a special for inner guy. Yeah, not all humans Yeah, we'll do that and then we'll take this part over here And we'll just combine them all together and then and then Obi-Wan Kenobi in Darth Vader They meet in that night in the dirt pile and then Obi-Wan runs away And it's great and we'll have the music and it won't even matter because we're showing Darth Vader And it won't even matter and it won't even I know that you watch these two to control your pain Well, that was great, I guess we'll see everyone later You maybe talk about sort of how you went about developing Vader's physicality in the armor Because this is a character that that existed before I was even alive There's just a continuity there that that we needed to adhere to So I think we all felt it was very important to get that right and Debra had a Vader specialist movement on set for us to make sure that everything sort of rang true and We've never seen Vader like he is in Kenobi. There's absolutely nothing funny about his entrance in this episode I saw in his eyes. I saw the What'd you bring me? All right So excited can't wait to see what happens next. I've we've seen the lightsabers in Darth Vader And I hope everyone says hello there Like only half the farts I did came through what is that? I didn't hear any I saw a green circle for two of them. I think but yeah, I'm so sorry No fart noises. Is it like a particular style I can do that'll make it come through Well, I figure farts are a good way to start this off considering the last episode we just watched Yeah, it's also how I feel right now It's fine. Just talk over me. It's okay I'm sorry We're here for episode four of Kenobi we did three already that was pretty tough I Didn't love it. They know what they're doing there. I didn't love it ranks. I didn't so this is the halfway point Are we just crossed it? There's six, right? We got three more episodes Yeah, I guess you could say we are currently at the halfway point. We won't be We are bridging the halfway point currently a lot of people. I saw a lot of people liked episode three It was just the impression I got based on social media reactions a lot of people really like when he put him in the fire Which is man like that's pretty that's that is pretty disappointing that kind of upsets me a bit I love that.  It was one of those moments where it's like, oh, we don't like this for the same reason I thought we did but like Maybe we didn't like this character for the same reason. Oh, yeah, definitely that people debate in whether or not it was in character a lot in even our audiences, but The general audience is just loving it. Just like Expecting to kill him Yeah What I figured he would want to do I figured he would do what we saw him do an episode four Which is just kill him those at this wedding last night and someone brought it up to me specifically and it's like It's just like oh, it's great like they are great. It's like no, it's trash I was way too smashed to actually argue anything.  Yeah, and Mendo was like disappointing in terms of like the potential of that as an idea But getting squandered, but there's not that much to get super invested in whereas here It's like oh these are characters. I like in raging.   We've seen that in face for the MCU as well, right? But no way home is the best one. It's like why it has characters That's it. That's a plus. That's a plus those in the plus call gets you over the line at this point Especially like especially in the Disney Star Wars kind of world. What a disappointing tenure.  Yeah, it's lower. Hello unless well, you're in the general audience World one I was thinking for those who are following this as a series We are very disappointed with the treatment of Kenobi and Vader already And layer yeah, which is again not even something you'd expect us to have said if you listen to this with no context Like what do you mean layer? He's like, yeah, I know I know and then as for the cavalcade of new characters. It's like I don't know great. I don't know what's to be said for any of them really I don't know what you would talk about with like Revva for instance.  They're all yeah To be fair, she's probably the smartest character in the whole series in terms of she gets except for the girl who helped Kenobi Those two are probably the ones that get the most brains right now because their plans work not because they're actually smart Yep, that's that's kind of where I was going with that like the plot boosts their intelligence just by a result Because you know Riva should have been in jail by now killed, but she's not because reasons Which will be interesting because this episode will be catching up with her and layer Don't know where that's gonna go. I'm assuming we're gonna get back to tank for for Obi-Wan You'll be fine. You'll be like you were burned by Tulasian flames.  He accidentally used the cold fire the cold In recording when he tips over the thing and all the rocks go over I say like wait, what is that? What's that? It's like, yeah, what why was there just these flammable rocks and that would it's so lame because it's just like you knew The right I was like, right How do we get him to do the thing to him that he did to him? Well, there's like there's some rocks over there that are and be flames. I don't know. That's good enough, isn't it? That seemed was really stupid the interesting part from what I've heard is that episode 3 did really well with the Pubic episode 4 has not what I've heard is that even Star Wars theory was unhappy with episode 4 What if it's good, I'm assuming we're dealing with the kind of bad That's just like Vespa bad where it's it's oh, I see I see why everyone doesn't like this. It's all so bad But yeah, you think you're gonna get another layer chasing. I'm really excited.  You got the the famous trailer moment where he says something like when the time comes He must be trained like you trained his father. I like how they really really expanded that. Oh, yeah, they really went Like the trailer alone was basically yeah, it was for the trailer or maybe they're just generally incompetent Maybe that solves everything. They're all just like yeah, we don't have any ideas There's not a discussion to be had actually nobby is a good character. He must be fleshed out Like you fleshed out Luke This they're coming for everyone, okay, and they'll even come for them before they were born if they have to or after they die It's funny and bogey bogey fat bogey stayed on Tatooine the entire time when there was no reason for him to do so But in Kenobi Obi-Wan leaves at the end of the first episode when there was every reason for him to stay on Tatooine Yeah, yeah, it's kind of wild.  Yeah Yeah, and because Luke had to get out of there and a new hope it just stuck forever It's stuck forever have the opposite effect of of what the implications because it's like a big theme in a new hope When you're growing up and you you go out there and you see the world Tatooine is the shitty starting point of the world We you grow out of it, but no Tatooine is like one of those amazing places everywhere Everyone wants to go to it all the things happen here But if it wants to rule Tatooine or at least part of it It's just a simple dirty place that you can just put Things and you don't have to worry about thinking of a new planet or thinking of even Mandalorian in the first episode it had a Tatooine clone planet and Navarro is Tatooine ask so that that vibe they really really just want to keep getting it keep getting it I love how when Obi-Wan is sleeping and having the flashbacks. He has flashbacks to scenes He wasn't even present. I noticed that on a rewatch when they when they were Premiered while I was watching those. I'm like, oh, we didn't bring that up when it feels like something We'd absolutely notice like it's weird that he's remembering all this stuff when he when he wasn't there to remember these things I think we were just distracted by the potential because it was it was I'm sure that happened Yeah, it was like oh much better. This could all be and one because you have to catch that many mistakes Like in the moment that they happen when they're just piling up one after another and you're watching it You know for the first time live. It's it's really tough to keep them all, you know Give it all straight Leia the being of pure kindness and respect in regards to the droids anyway So much she thanks droids nine years from now calls chewier walking carpet. Well, somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way No reward is worth this guess her cousin was right.  How does it feel when you turn on the light? That was great, I like that. Mmm. That was 10 seconds of something good in just a sea of awful misery Which is how it tends to work. See there's usually the pussy tiny things Unfortunately, that scene does a little bit of damage to adding on why as if we needed more reasons why He shouldn't have let go of the force throwing all this time because he needs to be ready to use that in order to fulfill his You know job his mission of protecting Luke and everything But if that's what the force is like then man I it's weird that you would put yourself off from it I wonder if they're going to try and justify it if they are going to elaborate on Potentially suggesting that you know three episodes left the force Oh, I mean gonna do action scenes if they elaborate and they say he wants to be connected to the force But he's struggling or something, you know Something for us to latch on to you with just why he's disconnected Then I will consider the show much more highly than I already did well I will consider it to be a lot less bad than I currently do. It's generous to me. That's pretty significant I think they're just gonna it's gonna be full speed ahead with the plot Yeah, I think we have time. It'd be so funny if Qui-Gon doesn't show up with how it's just like fully expected at this point What if it's like you're all poof? I hope he shows up by my bingo card I like how the Inquisitor orchestrated the kidnapping of Alderaan royalty the daughter of an esteemed and influential senator And she isn't immediately executed or imprisoned by any of the other inquisitors for this. Nope It's the foundation of the entire show this problem. Yeah, that's what kicks this all off Yeah, this is the underlying plot thing that gets him to abandon Luke These are all kind of the same point and there's a reason why these are these the top comment because it's the show This is what everyone's talking about something that annoys me is that this inquisitor was able to figure out how to draw out obi one So quickly, but did Darth Vader never think to do this? He wants him dead more than anyone No one thought to do this. She was the only one and it magically worked somehow and it's already too late now In the cats out of the bag. So as we've gone over the um, the organa family is screwed It doesn't make sense that riva would think Kenobi would be drawn out by Leia just because he knew bail He was a Jedi master So of course he knew some senators But he wouldn't risk everything for their random kid The only reason it makes sense is if riva knows that Leia is Anakin's daughter There's no way she could know that but the audience does so the plot hole goes over people's heads So steel man this the maximum either the information is tenuous and therefore it was an insane gambit And she should be punished or the information she's found really is damning and that's it for bail organa He's done, but they're not going to commit to either of those instead It's this weird middle middle ground where there was the sub information Because remember the ground inquisitors like and you did this without informing me Yeah, it's that weird it's it's a middle ground that can't logically exist because it sits between I have enough to enact it confidently, but not enough to tell everybody No, and not enough to just brain flume bail. Yeah, just show up with the inquisitors and say, yeah Flash your badges or whatever you do or just show up in your silly hats and uh, yeah Just that was such a fucking mistake being able to just pull info out of people's heads Alderaan is a member of the empire bail organa is a senator in the empire if he told the empire about it They are obligated to go look for his daughter even though diva If the river hired bounty hunters to kidnap them the other inquisitors are very upset and considered a rogue action So technically speaking the empire should be hunting these bounty hunters down to the ends of the earth They're already dead wiped them out and they didn't even know I'm guessing they wouldn't they would have assumed that this was an empire job I don't even know Well, yeah, if a if an inquisitor comes to you you assume Rightfully so that this is an empire sanctioned thing. They might not talk about it publicly But because if they did realize they were kidnapping a senator's daughter as a rogue mission by given to them by An inquisitor is trying to subvert the empire's involvement in it too.  What we're doing because this sounds really sketch And we're very sketch people and this sees this is a setting off our alarms. All right I can't resist I have to read this okay, so this is from the star wars. Kenobi subreddit, which by the way Uh, they had a bit of a they were unhappy with episode four that subreddit Oh, but remember before that point they were quite happy Presumably anyway though There's been complaints about episodes one two and three at this point and and there's someone posts on the subreddit to say You know enough is enough. It's time to put these complaints to rest.  Oh, that's us one two and three I know it regards us specifically. I'm very happy about that. So you got grand inquisitor Obviously, he's not dead. He's in rebels and pal an have two stomachs.  Just with a light saber. Yeah, this is already parody to me this first sentence is hilarious. This is like Yeah I do like that like oh, they have two stomachs. It's like so they probably have those for a reason right like I imagine if you get Trouble bro, if you were shot in the kidney and rags was like, we don't need to take for you to the hospital He's got two kidneys. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's been shot. They have their main stomach and then the spares I didn't even need to be said that the poan Like nobody knows the vast majority of people who watch Star Wars don't know who they are. I have two stomachs It's like man.  Like he asked most people who watch the show. I don't even know why this It's like basic use this logic for cows cows have four stomachs. So you could take a light Wow And you'd be like That's another one. Wow So they probably have those for a reason, right? Like I have four stomachs.  That's love right there. That's true love That's legitimately bizarre because I have been listening. I thought I He thought he did tunnel. It's not a straight line. It's a secret tunnel close to ground level They can't just make it a straight line River went over They were going because they locked the planet. So the most logical choice was the spaceport. Yeah, but how'd she get there fast? No, there's so but you have to rewind there's so much wrong with this, right? Tunnel it's not a straight line. It's a secret tunnel close to ground level.  Yeah So, you know, I imagine that you might need to turn it every now and then if you hit a much harder part But like if it should be pretty straight, right? Yeah, you'd want to make it as short as possible. So you have to excavate the less So yeah, yeah, it should probably be two straight lines You know to get to where like a for a to b you'll get there in two straight lines. I imagine you don't need any more than that How's they have four stomachs? Yeah, that's like the thing I said. It's like fine. I'll I'll give you know what it's fine. I'll give it to you It's not a straight. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.  How did she know which is the correct one?  There's no point in going to a spaceport. There's locked down Why would the pilot be there the pilot should be in some kind of you know black ops area where they launch ships Secret from from the planet.  Like this is the so far you've done the opposite of explain yourself twice I find it amusing because I think if I read these arguments and then the person was in in the call ready to be like I'm fucking, you know nail this when you hear my opinion I'd be like, can we conclude though that if you're wrong with your references that you can conclude these these are problems Right, you're not gonna go. It doesn't matter, right because you took the time to explain the problems So so that they matter, right? They're worth defending Presumably because you're trying to defend the show from being bad or being portrayed as bad It's just that shit where they they use continuity to defend and as soon as they realize it's nonsense They're like actually it doesn't matter who cares. It's a Star Wars show.  Yeah, he's basically stinky caved.   I still live in a cave I don't even have a mattress He wants him to get stronger so you can have the satisfaction of killing him fairly and the closure of knowing that he truly Is stronger and let him suffer so I will be interested to know if this holds up when thinking about that scene Now roll your minds back. We're in the stormtroopers Unloading on Kenobi as the lord they were to say it's a bit That vader wouldn't have said hey guys stop if his goal was to allow Kenobi to escape And if his goal was to allow Kenobi to escape and get stronger why drag him through flames Yeah, I feel like that would make him a lot weaker. Yeah.  He obviously wants obi-wan to live he wants him to escape and it's like All right, I'll be listening to every last bit of vader dialogue going forward to see if you're correct because you seem to think that this is just completely obvious, but uh I'm starting to wonder because I don't believe for a second that vader actually wanted him to leave He was going to get him right up until the loader bot started to drag him away Bring him to me Does nobody remember the scene?  Uh, we do like a Like in mask of sorrow He's just training him day after day to get good enough to have a fight with him that he'll win like that's that's all vader wants As we press through yeah, the indignance in this um in this Thread is starting to get a little bit more annoying Of course, he didn't want him dead because he'd be dead if that were true. This is like I see, you know the guy who tried to stab Ray in the back with his little knife So like of course, he didn't want to do that because it disappeared Yeah You're saying that he didn't it's it's like well, this is what happened. Therefore. It's good, right? It's like well. No, that's the floor that's being pointed out. Yeah, this is not a It would make it's not fulfilling his argument. Yeah. Yeah, but then seeing it show the brakes can No, it don't I felt since show me where he said moose to far. Go ahead. Show me. So it's funny I don't think anybody cites the I felt since line is definitively moose to far It's more so people focus on the line where he says How could he be saying that when he dominated Kenobi the last time he for him again, it's it's the Han Solo Thing it's like I just don't believe that this they met The running theory is that they are going to have another fight and Kenobi is going to thrash him That must be what happens to make it fit with cannon and I find that so funny Like you think they're going to try and make this fit with cannon I don't think that there's any interest in continuity really don't get that impression They should have been more specific with their dialogue just to protect themselves from future butchering I haven't seen you since moose to far The lava planet where you chopped off my limbs and I bid No, all they would have to do for that is just have them meet on moose to far again And obi one chop off Vader's robot arm that wouldn't stop them Yeah, they would try and find a way to break it again Laser fence brah would you rather go around or shoot a button that literally makes it disappear? Sure, he could have gone around but why would he when it's more comfortable and easier to deactivate it?   It's like this is easier. It's easier to get through. This is more comfortable You have an auction that is paid for you You don't have to destroy anything and you choose to destroy something instead Your body isn't even like that fair to the situation in terms of like it's more so he could have just opened the door But he kicks it in. Yeah, it's like, um, it's like It's like I have a better analogy would be that if you went to the front door and it was locked But the window was just open for you like the window is right there You can just jump right through it you go to your front door and it's locked But you don't have any walls and you can just walk around Instead of walking around I could just literally take this gun that's right here And I could just put a bullet into the door that opens it up so that now he can walk through it And if you want a pragmatic reason it's like it takes more time to do what he's doing And then there's more alerting of the systems being damaged. I don't know like if someone's defending the show I'd be like don't defend that just leave that How do you know shooting it is just going to magically turn it off the correct defense for this is oh I didn't make much of a difference. Go on. It didn't really matter. Yeah, that's the correct defense Not it was better to destroy the panel and walk through instead of walking around You might even be able to say he dude. He just had this big fight. He hasn't been fighting like for reasons He's stressed out.  Yeah, you're like bra. Well, it's not it's not even that it's like bra It makes sense to destroy it like how can you be so Like cock sure when you're so wrong fries that they're not arguing He only destroys it because he hates the empire Yeah, that would have been legitimately would have been better Like then it's easier this way.   He's like if only I had done manual labor for a living I could have kept my strength up a little bit because all through episode one and two We were constantly asking like why isn't he using the force because we had no indication that he'd cut himself off from it And anyway, we had no clue It doesn't seem like it's something that he was okay with you know because like luke activates it again in In TLJ meanwhile, Kenobi is like desperately trying to access it to save Leia Especially when yeah when he knows what mission he has to do and like after describing what it feels like It doesn't make any sense and you start to wonder is it because they needed to nerf him? Is that the reason? That's actually a good theory His stupidity certainly takes care of that But it's weird that they would nerf him that way when they know that the force is something that people like to see Yeah, they could just have made him incompetent like they did Well, they could have given him a hard challenge to beat that's all That's the way you do it Leia calls Obi-Wan a Jedi Obi-Wan don't call me that it draws too much attention Also, Obi-Wan refers to her as a princess Yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine.   And then he did make her float Whoa Leia saying I don't trust you even though you broke into a place as being held a great risk to yourself Release me said you knew my father and don't you don't try to manhandle me And at the same time she says we should totally trust this random stranger Who just so happens to have a solution to our problem Which would be of incredible risk to himself. Why are you so suspicious Kenobi? Yeah, she's so smart though. He's a very smart Yeah, that's why she's a very smart girl of 10 years old She's going to be a great warrior one day They do characterize it by the time we hit episode three as someone who maybe trusts a little too much or something You're like, oh, okay, but it's like but she didn't trust Kenobi It's like why didn't she it's like well it created some some tension some drama a little bit of a chase Everyone's favorite moment. This is probably true at this point The Empire should immediately know Bailogana as a traitor. Yeah It's kind of over for him We said like the whole problem with getting Kenobi involved and this this is more so if he is recognized You could get away with it if he's secret throughout the entire thing That's going to be tough But he's recognized almost instantly because he's terrible at his job. Yep work for that Yeah, but no that he's actually trying to stay hidden when they're like We've got to hire you because you're the one that knows the the stuff and it's like no That's the reason you don't hire him.  I suppose I wouldn't put it past him. I really wouldn't nobody should disagree with this Shit. Her message is weird now with this continuity added on. Yeah It's so distant because of the fact that it implies that she's never met Ben herself Or she's got a very thin relationship with him and it's like respectful. I've seen people say like no, it's a diplomatic message It's not like done as a friend. It's done as an important business like thing And it's like It's a secret message meant for him like it would be more friendly than this The fact that this is general Kenobi That definitely makes it feel more like a very strange referring to a past character It implies that bail told her that's his title because that's what bail knew him as in the clone wars And he didn't know him beyond that really.  Stop trying to squeeze these shows into every gap that you could find like this This brick wall don't need no mortar. I promise it's fine the way it was We went alone. Stuck so many things to it. A city government employee before the planet gets locked down All signals in and out are blocked 20 minutes later. Obi-Wan after the planet gets locked down I sent a message to your father So Obi-Wan was lying to Leia or did the writers just forget the one line They put into explain why he couldn't be lying to the ship he was tracking.  You know All signals in and out are blocked. I let your parents know you're safe We'll be back in the palace back to normal by nightfall That's a really great question because we didn't pick that up but both of those quotes are accurate That's what he says all signals are blocked, but he gets a message to bail question mark The signal jammers are as talented at their job as the writers of the show are at theirs Probably I would need to check the actual context. Maybe he meant like a message before this happened or something I just don't remember because we comment on it.  You're on the run right now Right. Yeah, okay.  Yeah, I mean it's it feels like you I don't know Maybe some some people do say that Anakin was gone as soon as he was dubbed veda by uh So it's a Darth veda thing to want to burn him. I guess so Darth veda thing going on there because it's funny because a lot of people are like, uh He's not the veda from the ot because he's literally not the veda from the ot he's still nine years from that and it's like It's been 10 though. It's been 10 years. Let's put it this way I would expect now that he's a lot closer to who he was in the ot than who he was in the pre-polls dreams obviously Yeah, I don't know how Darth Vader in like the latter half, you know, I feel like he would have already kind of reached a place that we Know he's in or close to it. Anyway What if they make a veda show That shows actually this does make sense because he becomes Probably gonna happen. Oh, yeah, it seems like it makes sense Thor 11 thunderscreen writer jennifer katyn robinson has revealed that michael waldron Multiverse of madison loki is writing the script for an x-man project Oh, we're fucked. Oh Yeah First madness writing here's x-men.  Uh, they're doing the reboot of the 90s animated show That's like look, all right. If we're gonna I guess pick your poison Which is it? Maybe I want to be all poisoned. I want to be rewarded for being so shared all the time Well, I guess it is as far as marvel is concerned loki was a resounding success as it was multiverse Advice as well It's um It's funny because the throne room fight I think that's the only thing I really complimented probably in my first video Um, but it's just because I saw it once and saw it quickly But uh, yeah that fucking scene for viewing so embarrassing Uh, I'll repeat viewings And I suppose it makes sense to show that one first because then it fuels My attitudes in this one Oh boy It looks like a combination of metal and j Oh, you guys look so tired That's me right now. That's how I feel at the moment. The guy just I've strapped for yin presumably both of you.  So that's all I'll say canon is everything Oh, I'll just say that Obviously the idea there being like he's not dead We wouldn't we wouldn't break canon but the idea that like wait, but all you do is break You guys break you constantly. What do you mean? You just portrayed his not death in the most deathy way that you basically could It would have been so much fun if she chopped his head off and they were like we wouldn't break canon. He's coming back Okay, why not? Yeah He has a familiar with that of the character. We don't seem very much. He's uh sporting a different hat this time Oh, that's gonna be really useful on tattooing. That's true And I I think this I can respect him more with this one. I can see the purpose behind it. This is practical. Yeah This has some use It's also a lightsaber proof that hat and it's perfect for pride month. I would say Is this an umbrella or a parasol? Well, that's a good question because I think the the way that it looks Matches more an umbrella. So maybe it is for the rain rather than the sun Um, but it might double up Because you think on tattooing you'd have parasols not Yeah, I uh, you know, maybe Maybe this is a this is a falsehood. Maybe this is shopped and they put a water one On a man who clearly would need the sun one. Yeah, they meant. Yeah. Yeah, that's the trickery is they put an umbrella hat On someone who needs to have a parasol hat Just remember inspect a gadget the movie Inspect the one with uh, Matthew Broderick. Yeah, this is a little flying hat machine Oh, that's inspector gadget. Yeah Oh go gadget flight He's cool. I hope we see more of him My favorite character. You know what with that we can finally play the episode This is where he told us to come to Oh, yeah, remember how he was meant to just white and he just left Oh, by the way, yeah, that's the one I it was probably worth me clarifying in the other recordings When I said like he hasn't lied to you yet I was referring specifically the fact that he told you to get onto this ship And it would take you to this planet away from like the danger of the inquisitors and it did and he's like Not everybody tells the truth liar. It's like he did Literally do all remaining probes. I'll remove the three the three probes.  Yeah, not running the empire. I don't know the the empire man This is really more of a side project. We gotta build more probes. We only have the three in the empire You don't wonder how much we would put F into that if we were making one of these shows Like getting the empire to actually look like it had some use and the people cared that it was in power In a good way What you made me You should have just shot Darth Vader, honestly Are you the one I'm supposed to meet I'll take you from here the corpse over there like I know when they edited it up that they made it look so stupid That's got rid of the corpse Who's saying yes, I'm the one you should meet up to why did why would she not get rid of the corpse?  It doesn't matter Whatever is the corpse this was here what I got here. I don't know who's it is He's a dangerous part of town. There's just corpses around the place.   It's just a shame that what it's what's happened to the series to it True I don't like the intro. I hate it. Whoa wrong Have like all those burn bubbles over your skin stuff.  He'll be fine full heel That's amazing how you guys got him out of there with Darth Vader 20 feet away in all those stories Yeah, he's like, how did you do that? They're like, you know Well, because that was where the end of the set was so they couldn't go around it because Also the episode ended so they couldn't chase him after that. No, yeah, there's no way Wow, that's fucked. Oh schnizzle. We at like the rebel We are taking them to the rebels. Yeah, are those rebels or just a spaceport? I'd assume it's the rebels, right?  Give us the flashback do it. Oh, look parallel That's really clever Look at his arm. Look at it's gone. But yours isn't that's your fault. You look pretty good to all the things consider I don't know how long he was in the fire. Oh, I mean it can't hurt, right? I guess it can hurt. Yeah Oh, what you've been telling me is having even he's not having a fun time. Yeah. Oh, why am I naked? Oh, yeah We're on jabeem. You're saying I like jabeem. You're on jabeem. What are you dunking me in?  I am a Backflip into the room. You have no rights here princess The empire doesn't take kindly to jedi sympathize.   I need your help a smart person. I'm sorry, but that's not my problem Well, I wish that were true. How is he arguing that leia? I have no, I don't know who this is I don't know who this guy is, I don't know Hello there, it's me mauler from the editing bay It would seem our intrepid cast here just missed what is honestly a very quiet line from the scene in question Well, I wish that were true She knows everything Let me play that one more time but boosted. Well, I wish that were true She knows everything So, you see leia is indeed everyone's problem because she knows about this base the organization and all of its secrets She knows everything The fucking 10 year old was told the ins and outs of the highly illegal and dangerous guerrilla operations of the proto rebel alliance And her capture means that information is at risk If only they didn't share all their secrets with a 10 year old who was likely even younger when this bullshit began You see, we all assume in the watch through that she wouldn't have much of any useful information because that would make the most sense But once again by talking over the episode.  Okay, bye I can't lose her You've no idea what the empire is capable of. Yeah, we do. Surely you do. They're a huge massive space army Wife split the hairs and a wife once. She got killed by the empire. We tried to hide it And the inquisitors found her anyway Why can't you just hide it though and never use it?  This is not a surprise like that Look, if you want my help You got it. Why? Why did you kill her? I thought he was- I thought he was outside saying the empire you can't beat him. I didn't expect you to just flip like that You don't need to make your episode 40. You can make it longer You can make it longer This is streaming. You don't need to make it You could have had everyone explain what she means to him and how much- Wait, so he's got it. They've got a map of the inquisitor base. Okay That's helpful. No, they just said they didn't know how far down it goes. I think what is this? This is just like a picture from the outside We need to find a way inside. We're not soldiers. Those speeders are for hauling sewage. She's 10 years old That's not an excuse, Ben That doesn't change any of the facts that she's 10. I'll go with him I have officer clearance. Is your cover still intact? We'll find out soon enough. No No, no It is impossible for your cover to be intact impossible There's no way It was a stretch when she first arrived back at the town with Kenobi. It is impossible now It's gone. So we're just going to the space immediately. Well, uh, he's using the force He's got a practice because he's so bad at it.  I just want to know why Your body's not the only thing that needs to heal Ben. The past is a hard thing to forget and you just need time That's all some things can't be forgotten. I'm glad you were able to share that nugget with him We you know the relationship these characters have built up is just so meaningful. This is what I mean They've been through such so much Was he not training like to make sure that he was ready to fight if he needed to Didn't I have that scene in like rebels when he like destroys doth mole like in an instant because he was so Prepared for like anything dude at the end of the season. He'll get a big boost by gone, right? That's off to it. Yeah, right. Okay What do you think that she could tell you? They ripped it off the wall. They didn't just take a picture Maybe shouldn't have written all these names on the walls when you were there Yeah, that's what I brought up in the episode.  Also, aren't you evil? What would she know about any of this? Yeah, what would you expect her to know? She's 10. How much would they tell her? She knows everything Why don't you just use the force to extract knowledge from her?  That's right. You could just do that.  Yeah, but Leia Wait show it show her try show her try and fail. She should try. Yeah, man. That's how you know what she's like Oh, well, I was about to say she might be able to resist it, but then I was like, but she's 10 though like Did I don't have like air traffic control with this thing? You could just show up here at the base at this point Well her clearance is still intact. Maybe someone checked and they're like, yeah, you're good. You can still come I'm so glad you survived. We found the squad that you were They were all dead. They're all shot in the back. Yeah, that's kind of weird. I actually have to clear past you serious This looks like something Hey, I was for identification. There you go.  You're done. Yeah, that's over there. I think squad was killed and you're missing. Yep Yeah, nice bread. That's not good We've confirmed you have a face you can pass You look very nervous. I guess not This isn't your sector I can't let you through And you are I am the lead security on this level Then I'm your commanding officer and you will address me. That doesn't mean anything You can't come through. Perhaps I should just inform the grantingquisitor of your insolence No, you have protocols. That's not insolence. That's the point of having a rule If that's a thing, then why did he even bother stopping her at all?  Let me in Yeah, why bother with any of it? What was that? That was nothing Why even have the scene? Why even have the scene just let her get to her To make us feel that she triumphantly managed to silver tongue her way past it was like no The scene would be even more tense if uh, she accidentally referred to lair halfway through Really? Oh, man, he's just gone for a big old swim with these fish And we joked about that in the last episode. We joked about obiwot and swearing We did, yeah Man, can you imagine one of those fishes just decided to swim by like what are you talking about here, buddies? Like what's going on guys? Just imagine obiwot and swearing by like Send out the probes That's actually a good point rags. How deep is he because like it's not just about air You know like you didn't bring goggles The jedi he uses the force to reduce I don't like that little creature. I don't I'm not fun.  Reminds me of the barnacles in Half-Life. I was about to say that too. Yeah He didn't shoot that's good Oh, you drowned him Yes, also no camera. He's just he just can't move when he's wet. Oh, yeah, okay. She's trying. Oh, yeah There we go.  So Yeah, there you go. Yeah, she's strong willed. There you go. And you have no training Why why would she have that? What? This is the second time She can't see that. Yeah, why would what was it? What was it planned to do? What was the plan?  Why would this have happened? I had a droid when I was younger too It was taken from me Like everything else parallels. Yeah, she's I had a droid too when I was younger No, I think that's gonna be relevant for something Why are you whispering weirdly? What up? I'm just like it'd be funnier for playing like music He's just hanging out the whole time. She shouldn't have been able to keep that droid and it shouldn't have attacked her like that but No, what was it's planning to do bunker on the head?  Uh-oh come with me If you're suspicious enough to do this to somebody. Whoa, was I here attacking him? I heard a sound of like a punch I did too but like Closed right before I wanted to check it out. That's weird. I'm gonna just open this door. Yeah, just open the door I don't like it with the closed doors in me. Okay Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right Oh, wow right here like they're like two meters away.  He was standing right there It's not gonna be a very long hallway How is this happening? There's people right there And then the jury sitting next to him was like right, so I guess your idea is cool Is your idea cool? Oh, I love that Did you hear my voice come through the radio there? Okay, but why wouldn't she be speaking more? Yeah? Why wouldn't she be saying Ben? Maybe they're hiding behind these things. I just turned it off. Maybe Oh, it's just like in a new home Over there What was that? Nice So we're so glad the plot allows him to have the force when he needs it.  Hold on Is everyone just gone from this room? It's just her now, but he's just like chilling out just behind that And the one who was next to her so that's three now I don't feel that this is bad enough to turn off normies I'm waiting for the thing that turns off the people who were into this show up until now. Yeah She's strong enough to call the inquisitor from her mind this untrained 10 year old Yes, she's got to convince her the regular way Tell me where they are. I'll have to tell my father first That's okay, right? He said we're all on the same side. Nice tribe princess. I hope you like pain I'll never tell you where they are. You will you're 10. They're gonna start doing terrible things Oh, no the yeah, oh, it's the hunts all over. Yeah We don't have a child-sized torture table. We need yeah No, don't worry. It'll still hurt like when you guys drag the screaming child up to the torture device Do you ever wonder about your jobs? Oh, they've got jedi frozen in I guess man My first question would be can I free them? Do they dead? He looks very sad. It's a tomb Oh, he said a tomb, but they're probably dead I don't know. I don't think that he's had enough time to confirm that. Yeah, I thought they were frozen Maybe he knows without the goo is Okay, we're gonna hurt you.   I'm just gonna He's gonna see someone he recognizes I don't know who that is Maybe someone from the chlorine walls Maybe they're gonna redeem this lady. Good luck.   Wait, what is this? What? You did this to yourself for the 10 year old? How did you do that so fast? You were just here because she must have called them to say that but like still that was fast as hell also Wow, this is risky. I was stationed on repuso when the hunt began ranking officer qualifications for discharge That man before I unless of course Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean it's about time pretty convenient that you just have this information for me right now. Oh, come on Well, they're baseball bats with disney, aren't they? Oh, okay. Oh my god. They really are baseball bats with disney Um, yeah, there's no cameras in here. Oh wow. All of that's just they don't need any keys. That just comes off Yes, you just been totally compromised Just use force mine stuff force flume Yeah, it's really useful. You've been totally compromised. You haven't gone to it Why why wouldn't revered right now be like wait? Why'd you you lured me?   Oh That was I spent two years undercover. I promise you He's on the floor. I love how like it's never acknowledged that when the doors are open There could just be someone looking right at it. Oh, yeah, every single time Oh, how did you miss this?  Oh just do it here Yeah Yeah, there it is.  Well, you know Well, so she should she's done What what No, man, this is why did you throw there was a third person in that room? Where did the third person go? Why is he good with this again all of us? I'm so confused Wait because he needs to be for the blog. Oh, wow Wow Oh god It's so bad The most incompetent organization in all She might you might want to run just saying uh, no that would look less intimidating hide. Where? Also Right, so to be fair they're shooting to kill on both of these guys. Yeah, is that not is that the plan for the empire? Wait, sorry Too much stuff is happening too quickly. Was something cracking. Yeah Why did that start cracking because uh It reflected a blaster. Yeah one blaster bolt has Compromised the entire Just run. It's no point in doing this dude. If the place is that fragile Oh, you guys don't want to open that don't open it. Yeah. Yeah seal it He's really good at the force. Oh, yeah. He's a real good person now Imagine the pressure that's there. Oh, he's got the breather thing. So I guess he's going to let the water in It's gonna I know Yeah, Kenobi, you won't be able to outrun this by the way Aim better. Oh, you can do it while you're deflected this out too Oh So he's gone No, that didn't make any sense Oh, man, that didn't make any sense. Yeah, no, that's he broke all the other gloss as well. That's Also, I guess these doors are rated. Oh, they're already dead.  They can't show them suffocating. That would look too bad Also, those doors aren't equipped to be What He's so No way, he's a bearded trench coat wearing captain.  Wow. Oh, thank Jesus Yeah, they're like, wait, what's going on? Obi-Wan Kenobi, by the way, everybody you can't stop this many shots Wow the timing on this They flew very close to those doors in the back. I feel like they Yeah Yeah, well, of course, none of them could shoot. Why, why would they? Why are you shot in the mousetrap? Go river. She's the only person that can survive the scene. So It's a bit of an awkward run. Why so Tony? She's a force. Is she gonna jump onto it?   That's a good point I put a tracker on the ship soon the location of the network and can only So that's a lie, right? That's a lie. Oh, we didn't we didn't see it put it on the droid, right? That's it. Yeah, you got it. That's it.    They're right here Why even bother putting a tracker on her when you had her in the middle of a secure facility? I didn't have any more ships after them. Did you know they'd escape? Did you want that happen? I assume they won't even be checking her for the potential of trackers as well I just realized that's the new hope thing that Vader does. You're sure the Hermione beacon is secure aboard their ship I'm taking an awful risk Vader This is better work But they've made it so that Riva came up with that plan earlier than him now Are they implying that that's where he got the inspiration for that was Riva? He's not- I mean it's the exact same plan Jesus Christ except hers requires more casualties Idiotcy Yeah, it was Wade Man, I'm really feeling the loss of Wade. Yeah, Wade was my favorite. Oh, yeah poor Wade that guy I'm glad to speak the same. I knew what to say When I addressed him We've been through so much Wade and uh, Wade and us. Yeah, I think we're not we're not there yet What is the thing that made everybody mad because I can't see it. There's got to be something else I think it was Obi-Wan getting out of the trench coat. Yeah, I think that was too much That's that's Vespa level. I could totally see people reacted on that Uh, oh look at how far we've come Remember she was pretty cold to him in episode two, but in episode four they have connected Someone died because of this high five How can you be showing this and then have her say like general Kenobi are offended by dad?  This didn't happen.  They put a tracker on you or anything Oh, here it comes. Here it comes. Here it comes. Dun dun dun dun dun Oh In order to make the tracker you have to swap him to evil robot Oh, dude, I would have been surprised like the original probably had it so that they just showed the droid Then someone they was like, no, we gotta have a red light on it. How will they know it's evil? How will they know it's evil? Yeah, that was terrible. That was awful.  Would you say this or three is worse?  I'm very happy that that happened They had the balls to actually film that that is incredible I do what I say And it didn't there was no reason for it to be that dumb. I think in terms of which is worse I think three is worse for characters.  But you're right.  Yeah exactly like like you belong there It looks like um austin powers. Do you remember the one he's he's he's on top of many me? Hello, you're right. Yes. It's a good hat.  So did she like grab it on the way out? How did she have it? I don't remember I think think about you have leia in custody in prison Everything and you would have had to beforehand put the tracker on the robot knowing that Make it evil I was gonna say it's it's more so making it evil than putting anything on it So you have to make it the turn the robot evil and turn it into the the tracker device And then you would have to do that under the assumption that someone would Yeah prison facility and be able to leave unless she just presented as a contingency But it really seemed like she wasn't like she didn't want them to escape. This is like a last ditch Yes, somehow she convinced vader. This was part of the plan which he should be able to pull right out of her Well, I mean he should be able to tell that that's not when it's like, dude Like did you what what do you mean that's part of the plan? Yeah, look you planned you planned Why the hell would she have turned it into a tracker unless she did think they were going to escape which she absolutely didn't She didn't want them to escape. Exactly. Yes. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all You can just force extract that information from the light. No. Oh, yeah. Well. Yeah, you can do that. Can't you? So there's no reason to so rub is done.  Yeah, cuz I think that is one of the uh, the younglings that we saw in that opening, uh sequence Um, so there's got there's more story there that we know I think it's the same thing we said since like episode whatever that she's gonna There's that leak where she'll she'll be the one to spare loop. Yeah Yeah, and and also we had that uh, that conversation she was having with Leia, um, like it felt like there was an implication of Oh, well, there's there's more there's more story here that we still need to tell they've only got two episodes to tell it But it's terribly done. But when she's about to start up the torture It looks like the actress puts on a face for a moment of like, I really don't want to do this I think yeah child. Oh, no That's what i'm saying It's just like you're not doing good enough because she should just not do it at all Well, because she already committed to a course of action. That's reprehensible.  She's done a lot of bad things It's gonna be really hard to give her the redempt It's probably not gonna be like a full redemption. I think it's gonna be one of those like, uh, well, you know Like it's a good decision. Yeah, I think that's what which I mean, that's the best you can do Remember though. Yeah, that's the impression I get we're told like someone because there'll be comparisons to vader Everyone will do that. They'll be like, what's he gonna redeem? They'll just be like, okay, so she's doing so much that vader has done as well I think I've talked about this in one of the other parts, but um really gonna depend on how she ended up here He ended up where he was because he got seduced by power And he wanted to save the life of his loved one and it all drew him into like this You know complete understanding and of the jedi trying to take over the world There's a lot of little things manipulations lies and then a desire for power that is broken by his love for his family Comes through on that moment But we've always said he would be tried for war crimes if he was to have made it back to end or absolute way Meanwhile, rever like you're gonna have to tell me why she became an inquisitor Why she is so stalwart in whatever systems they have provided because she seems so on board with fucking killing people No, it was Kenobi specifically as well, right? Yeah, and we're not gonna have the time Like Darth Vader got six movies She's gonna have two episodes at most to tell us what because remember her being like I used to have a droid was like, okay Maybe uh, uh, maybe episode five will be like the rever episode the one that gives us all the information Well, I don't know if they got time though. Like I was gonna say Kenobi needs time too Well because episode five will probably end with the the rebel base getting like attacked So then episode maybe it's just we don't have a lot of time And it feels like we've wasted a lot of time And also just not made use of time that we have because this is a streaming show You didn't need to make the episode like 30 minutes Oh, there's so much padding for a 30 minute episode to the amount of time it takes to just in hallways walking around Yeah, you know, why do they have a Jedi tomb down there?  I'm gonna put those in You'd think they would erase them right so I can look at the corpses You'd think they want them to be removed.   Yeah You can't very empty station. They have there. Yeah, that didn't really go anywhere the whole they have the It could just be this like look how evil they are Because then they had the child at the end which was like I'm surprised they weren't that edgy, right like because they just to show a child's corpse frozen in amber, right? It's it's more edgy than they Why would things can't you cut off as well? It really surprises me that the one thing they sensed was the guy being hanged Yeah, but I guess that's easier to censor in retrospect. Also to be fair One could argue that these are just suspended animation. They're not dead or something who knows Assuming their dad is I don't get it I think that my brain went to No, I think it's reasonable that they could be dead, but you're right But could we should have clarified that I should be like is this like what is the state of them right now? It may be imagine one button press release them like carbonite. Yeah. Yeah Well, there was that one Mandalorian episode where the they had like some experiment going on. What was that about where they had? Oh, yeah, it's it's like a it's a bait for the first order and snook and stuff I think because they were grabbing Jedi DNA. That could be what this is Yeah It is one of the younglings in the uh, the opening That's why they let him keep that goofy ass helmet on I was gonna say that's the helmet the younglings wear I'm guessing that there may be like some sort of story that there's still more story there with This character specifically and probably connection to rever that would be that's that would be my guess It's just we've got a lot of threads that are still sort of there that haven't been resolved yet So there's still but it feels like there's a lot more that they need to figure out than the Time that they actually have to do it We always talk about how pathetic it is how stupid and worthless they make the empire But Jesus christ this episode was just a new fresh hell Of how can you ever be afraid of the empire anymore?   No That was needed for plot reasons. So that doesn't count. No, it was just talking about how they didn't need that for plot reasons to show all of the amber and Like that's gonna be plot reasons They're gonna say in Mandalorian season three finale that a snoke is being made as a result of all the amber Jedi How you even got here without being shot down kilometers and kilometers back is Astounding there should be this is the h2 turrets and rockets.  So they just fly in like can you guys do me a favor and because like I don't remember hearing Basically any of the dialogue when they were planning on taking out the quiz the base and I'm curious if there's any nuggets in there It's fader there. We don't think so Our intel shows he's still in the ship. He's lucky. He's close. Yeah Your intel you have intel that can tell you where Darth Vader is It's impenetrable Wade. How far down do you think it goes? I was worried. I have no idea. It's impenetrable They said it's impenetrable. I don't see any shields.  What? That's not how this works.  We won't have defenses. That's not a We have so many soldiers, but we don't need any guns because nobody would attack somebody Oh, that's so painful By the way, the two pilots uh, when he says like, oh, yeah Fly in with you your ship to come and pick us up They say that they're like not soldiers and they don't know how to fight. It's like, man, you're good at it Like when you Weren't expected to come then by the sounds of it doesn't sound like a doubt. Yeah, it's just a miracle that they decided to come and arrive at the last Okay, so it is what I thought then.   If they don't have shields people will attack it When someone did come an attack that were incredibly effective But what if someone just like bombed it and then left?  Would they know? Yeah, it's really so if we have an extremely valuable military target and it has no shields No anti air cannons. No orbital defenses. No radar.    They have to shut off Well, how absurd as well that like he manages to break it open in such a way that it pours in From all the pressure outside and then it like shows them get hit by it shows it slam the wall And then it cuts to him beginning to run away. It's like no, you're done. You're already done Got his force powers and uh sword skills. They're all back up to top notch just like that I mean, yeah, very meaningful ten minutes before he went to the facility. He couldn't move a little Plastic nut across the table That's the problem free you can think of a high pressure situation when veda was grabbing you Yeah, oh, I thought you meant like the ocean pressure the water pressure when he says just saving layer That's what he cares about.  Yeah, but no no no his own life doesn't matter And he doesn't have like he doesn't have object permanence.  No one looks at anything. Let me in because I'm insistent. Oh, yeah And then nobody hears anything that happens with her beating up the captain That was pretty incredible I'm just imagining the person you made that reddit post defending all the things that happened in the previous episode like Fuck, please stop.  We can see Darth Vader's quite upset that our obi-wan escaped. He's pretty unhappy with that. Oh, yeah, you're right.  Yeah, he was wrong. You're right.  How about that? Oh, so weird Imagine how much more angry he would be if he saw like security cam footage of a full-legged trench coat waddling away This is how they escaped is it no, he wouldn't see that because there are no cameras in this No, they're not a camera But imagine in a world where there were cameras in this high security facility It's a little bit odd Actually that they're marketed a lot ahead and christiansons back. It's like we've gone very little of like that part of the performance Doesn't matter we can still market it like that and ooh isn't that exciting watch this show It's just i'm wondering what that i'm kind of reading into it It's like so what does that mean?  Wow not a long conversation relatively long Maybe a couple of minutes like actually face-to-face. I could see that happening. I guess i'm just i'm at this point Like i'm not i mean i'm not investing this story. I'm just trying to think about like no They're gonna do and how the best place to bring Hayden christianson back is unironically post St as a ghost. Yeah Well, no poem was or clone was I guess it's just you need to de-age a bit and you know They look pretty good like both the cat the guys we need so I'm sure that it wouldn't be too much pressure to get them to just look Obi-Wan can almost get away with it would just I think basic makeup I don't even think you'd need to be oh, yeah He's I mean the beard takes care of half of it anyway plus in revenge of the set he was almost certainly playing younger Oh, sorry older than he was right. Yeah, I think so Oh, yeah, maybe a little well You'd have to be right because he kind of ages super fast in 19 years otherwise I would say I think this one takes the cake for me as the most parody like scene that we've come across There's a lot of them, but like that one.  They did it It's they literally did it. You've got eyes everywhere Oh It actually may have been less conspicuous to have her just walking next to them. Yeah, yeah, probably Almost certainly actually because I mean how many of these people even know what she looks like The metal gear solid thing where it is just like you've got the box on Like tell me ahead. Just walking next to them.  How can you even get outside? No one is coming or going like Garfield. I wonder who that's for a moment of like, oh, there's a guy with four legs walking past me I wonder what that siren is about I I thought you meant it was for the audience because it's the siren noise um I remember the siren is clearly not treated like it's an actual siren. No one seems to be really in Wandering. Yeah, everyone's just sort of around going like extras wandering around in the back of a scene Like at a carnival or a fair They were just kind of wandering How incredible by the way, you're like, how did how did those those ships get in? It's like, well, we don't have shields Why well because no one would attack Well, they attacked us But why didn't we shoot them down with our many many many many cannons? Well, so we don't have cannon Yeah, because why would no one would attack this way? Yeah I don't know. What about the orbital defenses the the fleet up above that's completely undefended Why would no one why has it got that reputation? No one would attack it That's why we don't have any defenses.    Let's just hit it from space.  It was it was absolutely Comedy without a doubt Without a doubt what we're in for for five and six Ane. Oh, I think we're in for pain. I think the next couple episodes are going to be like really painful Suffering. Yep. Thanks for watching everybody. Goodbye.  Well, hello, hi everyone Hi Kenobi episode five That's what's a good news. I'm off work tomorrow.  Whoo Why would you do that? Because I don't know maybe I shall have a single shot just to help me some it's giving courage Give I'm having some whiskey on the cock rocks.  Yeah j.  Mine is That's not true because it's not my prototype one is here, but my delivered one isn't here Okay, well, well j fails once again Um, so enough of enough pleasantries now. We'll talk about the horrors. So yay We have consumed Four whole episodes of this show which is actually quite a bit of it at this point. Um Such a weird world we live in where the tv shows are done almost immediately like Man well six episodes is uh short any of you guys used to like when when you were much younger watch like 22 episode shows on tv weekly. Uh, absolutely. Yeah, like that was normal. I mean 24 And that was pretty common.  We got to go go. We got to make them So what I find interesting is there's a perceived increase in quality from less episodes per season yet this show And a lot of those disney plus shows. Yeah Have a lot less episodes and they're still not good Stuff like band of brothers would have encouraged people to think like oh when they're mini series and shorter and stuff They're much more focused. They're delivered as a story. Yeah. Yeah, breaking bad Like all the all the sort of dramas that have you know that have that good reputation And we're like serious and trying to do the serialized story like the wire and the sopranos and things like that They're the 13 episode ones. I mean dead. I was 13 episodes too. But then we decided, you know what not even Not even 15 anymore Six and also shitty writers. That's a good combination. We got there right now Because they're still making like that many episodes of star wars show a year But instead of the dividing it up into different shows They could have made like hey, here's the show that's the Between the trilogies show and like obi-wan shows up and like episode 10 and you're like, oh cool It's obi-wan. I wonder if there's budget rate is like a factor here because they're so expensive each episode That they don't want to do more than that They could have made, you know So seven episodes of book of boba fat six episodes of obi-wan and how many episodes of mando eight 20 what 22 episodes of tv that they've actually made this year if they paid that Right, they haven't that's at least within the last 365 days, right? That's right There's no mando in the last year mando is over a year. All that we've gotten is book of boba fat and this so No, oh man Star Wars fans eating good. What's up? They could have made like a 13 episode season that was with that money that was Hey, here's stuff that happened in between the trilogies It could even have been about boba fat and obi-wan. They could have both been in it. This whole um marriage or not marriage Maybe but uh tv shows combining with movies to make mini series. That's that's how I see it. Anyway, it's just like look at this It's beautiful. It's like both you get the benefits of both longer movies that are really well made and you're like, okay Cool, but then um, they're not focused at all. They they waste the fuck out of all their time We watched um a movie not long ago And one of the things that we were commenting on about it was the fact that they could spend so long with two characters Having a conversation about something to develop their relationship and how important it was and and and Kenobi like our favorite stuff was mainly just him thinking about stuff and doing things in a very like quiet and Sorted manner now. I think uh, I would be correct in saying that when he In the dare I say second portion of the first episode was done with um his meat mining or whatever I think when he got called by bail. I don't know.  Yeah, I think it was jay who had said that it's all it's all plot from here I hope you like that you got your five minutes of sort of character Kind of and my money is on fringy. Actually. I think he was one of that Wait, what did I say?  Well, what I will say is that uh Unlike the last episode which as was stated in our preamble That it got bad reviews from a lot of people who typically like the show this next one It's getting through the roof reviews from lots of people Lots of people love this one and it's like oh, right You say it get it it got bad reviews and I thought that meant it was safe to shit on it Not that that changes my mind when I'm shitting on something or otherwise, but I thought oh, this won't get any pushback Dude, you chose one of the like Worst parts of the episode the stupidest bits and you got so much trouble So much I literally posted the most conspicuously stupidest scene and I was like lol This is stupid you got in so much trouble by the way that the start of the real bvc after that Like the first stupid chat I think I saw there was someone talking about your tweet And it's just like how is this happening and it's like it became a full topic your tweet It got everywhere. Lots of people saw it. Just like why is this controversial? What's happening like we can't agree that this is stupid We're doomed if we can't agree that this is really dumb a lot of people seem to have read it Because I posted that scene with the caption for anyone who doesn't know Pictured serious production in brackets not parody And it was funny. I think a lot of people who don't have good reading comprehension Thought this meant that I was saying that like star wars has to maintain a deadly serious tone at all times And that comedy isn't allowed in the show But it wasn't comedy. It was serious. Yeah It was it was a serious scene a lot of people are insisting that no actually the scene is supposed to be funny Okay seems like a strange place It seems like a strange comedy a strange scene to choose to make a comedy scene is Hey, you know this child who's currently being rescued from a base where she was going to be tortured and like she got really close to being tortured Let's let's have an escape scene where she's uh smuggled out of that base I'm sorry. Oh, so that would be like a tense scene, right? Or maybe uh, Maybe maybe dramatic Dramatical tense those seem like intense laughter. Okay.  What what if we put that in the middle of that? I think one of the things that you do need to consider is that I think that this scene was meant to be laughed at because it was so stupid, right? Because they needed to really build up a sense of levity before wade is killed Which is a very very serious and somber moment because you know, we all know wade and it's a really very very serious To do dramas to trick the audience into feeling they're safe and then to take someone like wade from them I thought we would be with us until the end I did to the end all the way until the end of episode nine We'd have wade. It's probably in the party.  I'm not impressed with the show so far I think they're going to make the mistake of saying nothing about wade when Like could Kenobi really have done any of this without wade? I don't think so I think that the fact I remembered wade's name. I I don't think they remembered I don't think the writers have you told them who was the guy who died in episode? and I'm so forth they'd be like, uh wane wane Dude, I love the idea like oh cathleen. I love your work with disney stowell's I think wade might be my favorite character. She'd be like, yeah Yeah Who's that? So anyway, you guys ready for Sure comment showcase Okay, this episode is going to be the one that's like through the roof Yes, right now.  I mean the standard fan service way of I want to see them in their outfits from the clone wars. I want to see them fighting droids I want to see them being friends do it So I think it might be more than that. I think they might instead of doing a flashback episode Do you like a force of vision or something? Either way the obvious thing that they were definitely going to do in this series was have aiden christensen and Unimagrega together in their like prequel costumes filming a new scene, right? And if they didn't do that, they would have been mad. They would have been insane Um, I would have thought but I would have suggested a whole prequel episode, but I don't think they would do that I think they might try to do like a force of vision Where like obi-wan is communicating with vader or something and it's um, but they're you know They they look like they used to because it's not really happening. So they have an excuse to do that So anyway Comment showcase today will have to be about episode three because four isn't out yet I can't believe it's gotten to the point where family guy gave more respect to star wars than disney does I've seen that one actually. It's true. It is so true Actually true. Um, most people even say like blue harvest is worth seeing. It's like fun I think blue harvest is great. Um, the other one's not too much, but blue harvest was cool American dad to do the fanta menace American dad do the preples They said the cleveland show Okay, fringy the difference there is that the cleveland show is bad and america is good What i'm saying is that that was the gag at the end of um, yeah It's crap. It's like, yeah, I think the cleveland show is gonna do those. Who's gonna do the preples now then?  Oh god. Yeah, that'd be fun Absolutely, given konobi buried his lightsaber the god he can do mine tricks Can't fight to save his life and essentially let his command of the force atrophy I can only assume his plan to protect luke was to spend 19 years practicing a wide variety if animal screams To scare off any potential threat. He's got a great jar jar one prepared for vader Oh, annie, it's you imagine if vader shows up and then obi one goes Oh, hello, annie. Me's the judge. I think Then loads of far a star wars fans would go man. This is goofy and that's that's what I look good star wars How the hell did leia get a senate seat after this nonsense She's caught dead to rights as someone that vader and palpatine have a personal grudge with let alone just being a jedi Yet we're expected to believe she'll be left to operate within the system for nine plus years after this Can't wait for the 15d chess to explain this yet. I'm a member of the imperial senate on a diplomatic mission to alderaan after all this After this she does less and less. That just doesn't make any sense now There's no way organas are gonna be able to have senate seats after all this nonsense.  Yeah, there was a woman.  What's that called? It's um exponential increase in the effects.  I've got you now And then leia just turns around starts running and riva's like you can't escape and starts running And then she just realizes through jump cuts. She's actually losing leia. She's just falling behind And she's like why it wasn't like what but I but I can see her I'm watching her. How how is this? It's like it's like some alice in wonderland. Yeah The hallway keeps extending really far. She's just like how what's happening? Yeah, it gets to a tiny door at the end and little leia can fit through it She's like what happened? How come this hallway is so small now?  All right, that's fine. Well, it's fine because star wars has always been goofy.  Yeah episode four was pretty bad. Did we conclude which we thought was worse three or four? uh four Wait, I had said that character wise episode three is worse, but logic wise. I think episode four is worse I think I think we did Episode three and four that episode four does still continue like obi-wan being really dumb Yeah, but there's moral components to obi-wan's uh assassination in episode three Meat shield him not seeming to care about an instant people Like obi-wan being like I know I'll shoot myself in the head to save the day It's like that's one thing but when he's like, oh no innocent people are dying I don't know whether anyone answered your question regarding whether the public knew vader was anakin in the disney canon star wars comics anakin was seen as a war hero who died saving the republic Now empire from the jedi and vader is seen as a new enforcer for the emperor Vader specifically goes out of his way to kill enemies and allies that discover his real identity There's a comic where vader kills an entire squadron of clones for learning his anakin I think it's safe to say rubber should not have known Darth Vader was anakin without being brutally killed So apparently that is a thing that he would he would want to erase anybody who knows that secret, uh Which is interesting. Of course. He can't get to why? Well, because I guess so few people know and it it's something of a Vulnerability, maybe that Darth Vader would see it as or just wants to keep it a secret. Um, why?  You should never have given me that was you, right? That was cringe, bro.  No, I mean, I wasn't no.  Yeah, it could be It could be any reason for why he feels that way, I guess, but uh, yeah, hopefully We'll get our answer as to why riva knows and whether or not Vader knew that she knew I have no clue How they're gonna make it so that she would have witnessed enough information in order 66 and survived it and become a Sith Inquisitor without anakin being aware of any of that or anybody being any aware of any of that Because that's gotta be the way she finds out.  He got rusty I remember that a small town clearly that was regularly ravaged by different hunters and uh Scavengers and zombies like right he got got rusty I prefer the vision of stories like where we have taken Where the mild-mannered father character who's just chill But he has a history of having done maybe wet work for whatever EIA slash blah blah blah and then uh, he's totally fine. Totally chill.  You're useless now. It's like, yeah, okay That's like four of those taken movies now, isn't there? Oh, yeah, I mean, I like the first one Yeah, I only remember the first one.  Hey, it's time to get over Oh See that in cinema when it when it came out. No Taking taking three. That's the one where they were in. Um, oh I didn't see it in the cinema. No. No, I think I saw it later.   That's so terrible in the fight There should be a monumental moment, but the way they shot it is horrible amateur cheap Looking with the score being so bland. It's all just terrible Uh, yeah, it really is it's uh, they did a terrible job like cinematically of doing that moment And I think the fact that it's in a quarry becomes much more Lame because of the fact that they shot it so shittily. I think you can make a quarry cool Maybe and absolutely make a cool quarry, you know in Bespin. It's like an industrial Carbonite chamber Just because that sci-fi doesn't automatically make it cool is more so to do with how they shoot it and what's going on in there I don't think the probe droids were intended to be weak to a single blaster shot an empire Even though han and shui shot the probe han is immediately suspicious and says that it's self-destructed and han shot Three times or these twice and is proficient with a blaster over on his famous for hating blasters Yeah, han shot it multiple times and then comments on how he didn't hit it hit it that hard So it must have self-destructed. I did forget that So, uh, that could be one of them awkward. You didn't rewatch the scene memory things, right?   Yeah, I said it Did he shoot it like right in the middle of the weird lens eye thingy? Well, sure, but even then they're like implying Like I'm just trying to find a reason why they would do that that way So maybe it's like, oh, this is the weak spot obviously But then again, if you get if another one got shot multiple times and it didn't do anything and it's self-destructed It's like, uh, I don't believe you.  It wouldn't even be shot up a shock But I'm pretty sure we can all agree. It's probably true.  I know what happened.  Obi-Wan didn't just climb the nearest mound of gravel and shout. It's over anakin. I have the high ground I like that would have been goofy.  Okay Just finds like a little stool and stands on that one. It's like, ah, I have the high ground I'm honestly surprised the right is actually had enough restraint to not reference it in some way Maybe maybe they'll reference it when they fight again inevitably Through that could happen Regardless, I don't feel like they're trying to play those scenes seriously. So any goofiness in them will be accidental No, any goofiness would be acceptable and great. Thank god that one stormtrooper bumps his head Oh, yeah, the bumping of that head has enabled all of the shittiest writing in the world to happen so imagining I'm imagining like one of us gets a time machine and then goes But by the way, you know the uh Well, we just we just figured like we can't make it obvious that that's why we're there So just ruin the take just what just what whether that that particular take just go All we all we have to do is just just raise the door a little bit earlier Just before just right right before it normally would have opened just hit the button so that it's high enough It doesn't hit it when he walks through find out who that extra is chloroform him and take his place You'd think that a stormtrooper would miss the door Oh I get it You don't get a spot Okay, so they do get it. You don't get oh jay didn't get it. Oh, that's that's sad We intercepted a transmission on ball map Yeah, the the planet abes have been funny. Wasn't there one called beans or something? Yeah, the end of planet beans Instead of a water moon. It's a bean moon It orbits planet jeb I can get you inside and I can get you access It's a good thing. There was this hole at the bottom that you could just swim into Oh, yeah, well, she opened it up right because she had control of everything and she oh that pot was so dumb Oh my god, they showed it All right, maybe this show will be good. Maybe this is the good episode and he fell in the water He's waiting now Evil See that by the way is evidence to me that this is a kid show because they always say that I can understand people justifying that with well kids need to be able to understand what's going on Yeah, that's well That's the thing if someone said to me like is that an actual criticism? I'd be like not necessarily it's lame I I wish you'd give more space for people to actually interpret what's happening I guess it it might be a problem though because if someone looked at that they're just like Why are your eyes red all the lights have changed? Yeah, which isn't it's not very good for your intuitive like spy droid I guess yeah, I guess you could you could form it in the criticism And where do I people like this one was beginning to think you weren't coming wait if they not dh them Anakin still looks like he's got his wrinkles, which is okay. I think they have Yeah, they have you sure are you this isn't even the one that people like they're in the attack of the clothes This is the attack of the clothes. Yeah Yeah, you can see it still see is um, he's got this is not a problem by the way for an actor that have it but he's got his crow's feet and and Four head wrinkles, which is okay. Yeah, I noticed. I'm fine. I wish to normalize using the actor, but older It's okay. Yeah, I it's fine. It's okay. Especially when you look as good as those two Okay, but um, it's weird because disney usually do that day It is my great honor To be invited aboard Lord Vader. I am not interested in sabilities Where is he he's arriving on I have things to say about his voice. Oh, there's beans. Yeah Wait, so they let him go just so they could track him because like he was the thing they were interested in To lay out the timeline when Obi-Wan went to the proto rebels to get their help It was only the spy lady who came with them. There was no mention of Wade or the other person Coming in to save them at the end to get them out of there. No, nevertheless Their plan was to get in save layer and then escape that was their plan But Darth Vader's plan was obviously to like confront Obi-Wan and kill him. He's explicit He says get Obi-Wan. Go on you to get Obi-Wan is all that math My question is Laying out the timeline jay calm down So the reason why this is important is because Revver everything that she's doing is all about that objective as well as you know, like finding these proto rebels, but like when Obi-Wan and layer escape and Darth Vader stomps in furious that they got away That seems indicative of this absolutely not being what they wanted Unfortunately. Oh, I I made the drone evil. So it's going to track them That was like a last ditch effort to like a contingency I don't know why she would do that, but I mean, I can't fault her for doing that. That's exactly It doesn't make sense if she did it. Nobody would do that So she didn't let them go on purpose then no No, no, she wanted them. She wanted to stop them, but they yeah What would it be?  She doesn't know that anybody's coming in to save them.  They must have a plan if you remember they're all they're being shot at by everybody Uh, they're getting close shaves constantly and they've all been commanded to stop them Like it's you know, it's a dumb scene because they get in insane plot armor, but uh, yeah That was not intended there's something that's interesting I brought this up and I completely blanked it If you Vader should have had additional issues with this because what is the most likely thing that's going to happen when you have Obi-Wan Leia and and this girl leaving it's like well, they go to the rebel alliance base right and it's like No, they drop Leia off with Lola to Alderaan. That's the most likely thing that's going to happen Which doesn't help you guys at all. Well, yeah, there's a there's an assumption that it's going to lead to the proto rebels And it will obviously But I are going instead of taking her back to Alderaan Imagine they go to a big ship and then another ship comes in it's just a representative from Alderaan And Leia gets given to them and takes Lola with it because of course and then Yeah, they follow this ship back and Bale's like, oh, hey empire Now ignoring all the other problems that they would actually talk to Bale Yeah, so I was just surprised.  He absolutely It's massive incompetence that could have cost everything.  Uh, it was not intended. It was just a cover. Yay The arguments that you have received are just the case of the show has said this so I accept it as the uh As the explanation for what's going on when it's not that simple when it comes to forest Impenetrable forest that someone walks through. It's like when I said it was impenetrable. It's like, yeah, they did This is great going in the episode. Oh, this is all information Yeah, yeah, it's not the first time we've done this Yeah, we remember we paused a lot on the finale commando because it was piss Also, I'm just thinking about it. I don't even know when she put the tracker in there and changed the lights I think holds it for a moment in the uh in the interrogation. I remember that very clearly Because everyone's just a shoes Star Wars is a world where it's as simple as dropping like a little booth on it Like you put a little thing and it'll probably be evil like that. That's probably remember To restrict droids. They put those little um cylinders on them In a bigger chip thing. Yeah, like it's making them evil probably has the same system. How does laia still have it?   You know as part of the torture is knowing that your droid watches you get tortured If we're being her faith We have to actually assume riva was holding it and she was like man Imagine laia escaped. Well, maybe if I just put a little evil thing on this and then I put it back in her pocket So then in case she's taken which is dumb because that thing could probably help her escape the torture device But then again, it was evil at that point.  No, no, no, but that's the beauty of it Mola. You just don't have to solve them Oh, great. You could just Yeah, the reason why you don't have to solve them a stormtrooper bonked his head on a Yeah, that's true.  Is she gonna get made grand inquisitor before they even check or verify or anything like that? Wow, yeah, wow because it's okay I have your grand inquisitor badge. There it is. It's magnetic.  Yeah No, Obi-Wan is never right away. It would be an active tracker that they have on screen and they would just be like Where is it going? And it's like, oh this system go immediately. I assume this is gonna like kill the rebellion Right if they're the the infancy of the rebellion is here and the tracker is here.  That was just one Where's wade? They're all waiting for wade like oh god, maybe they will mention wade What are you tidying up? Why didn't they all care? Wasn't there? All right, they didn't mention wade. No, he's waded in the previously if they're not gonna mention it Haja Oh, how are you alive? Oh, yeah, that's right. She just let you be alive after I saw you I got him to fight with that scary lady inquisitor I'm wanted by the empire. He's wanted by the empire. If I leave I'll let him go He was already wanted he was pretending to be a Jedi. Yeah, was he not aware that being a Jedi was bad for business? Your health. Yeah that transport. I need to get her back to old run They've been waiting for months. We used to know trade route to get them out We only have a few hours. We'll do whatever we can to help. Oh, okay So that's our excuse to stay here. We can't go back home yet. We have to remain here We need a whole episode here. Okay.  All right I mean, it's not that many people that shouldn't take too long, right? Yeah. I need my xbox. Okay. I need it I need it Not only do I need it mom says it might turn everyone lock down the facility If we seal them in now, they can hold out for days. Fine. If we cannot okay, yeah It is not them. We need to break Oh Oh, it doesn't oh, it sneaks around It's all sneaky that that thing is a robot x suspicious. It's the writer's wet dream. It can do anything it wants How did you open that wait? Yeah? Did they give it the force?  I remember because it has a sore. It can chop up a little fall or something, right?  Yes. Stop doing that.  I live in Tatooine. Come visit. You just leave these. Whoa. Those things are worth a fortune. Wait, what? Those are a fortune. Yeah, each one of those lightsabers their value is insanely high Whose collection is that? Don't wear those Do not wear the road. I would imagine that you could sell a lightsaber on this like Galactic market for like millions of millions of dollars. Yeah, absolutely. They're like dinosaurs in Jurassic world What's it doing? Oh, it's just electricity crackling. Oh great. You cut the wires and it closes the okay Oh, you can cut through that. You have several lightsabers. What's happening? The controls aren't responding. The imperial destroyer just arrived in orbit. Oh, yeah, you're fucked. Yeah, well, they're dead then. It's fade out. Yeah, you're dead. We surrender.  He hasn't the patience for siege If you make a mistake, you're dead. Well, yeah sparring with lightsabers is an interesting choice, isn't it? Yeah, I guess they must be practicing sabers that thing that we continuously have to head cannons Yeah, I assume there's a way for them to train without Killing each other all the time. No, it's next to that. It's the severed headroom I just haven't really no no no more more wait. Why the everything two transports really Why to You're going for a planet my bro use it. It's a planet. You don't know how many people are down there Everyone I understand you're scared. I understand you're scared. You're scared the empire will attack soon If we try and fight them, we will not survive. Oh, thanks, bro Thanks, we just need to hold them off long enough to get you all out How much time do you need to override the doors three four hours? You have one He did the beam. He said you have one what he said I need three or four Why did you ask if you're just gonna tell me to do it in one? That's not how it works How long does it take to like drive to x location one hour? You have 30 minutes. It's like, what do you what are you saying? I gave you information.  Why did you ask me if you already didn't care what I had?  Well, no, no knowing that that's not long enough makes it more traumatic And that was the most traumatic way to reveal the information Why are you not bombarding this entire planet from orbit continuously for like a day? Nader wants to kill ko nobby himself. He wouldn't yeah, they could oh my goodness. Oh man.  This is obi one and leah's fault Yep, yes Or at least they have some bearing of responsibility on this for not having thought about a tracker because this is horrible Horrifying the glue especially because obi one used a tracker to find jango. He knows this trick Well and leah falls for this again in a new hope now. That's what we've established Did you guys want to form like all that looks so fake? Establish cover. They don't do that no more. I'm guessing. Yeah, there's just no There's no combat tactics in star wars ever. It's just we're just gonna stand here. Yeah, you're right.  You need to establish barricades Man, Riva's so epic I missed It's don't make any scream I'm so tired of screaming bad guys. We need to hang a roof open. Yeah, you know what? I think he's trying But if you open the roof, aren't they just going to shoot missiles and do it that might be protected Well, so the rags. I'll let me help you out.  Oh well What Oh my god, wait, what did she say? I need a ladder They uh, they need to come up into the fence to try and figure out what's wrong. How is Leia gonna know what to do? I don't know That it will be that she'll go up there and like oh no lola. Why are you evil?  Would you like to try it? Do they not have mechanics or people who understand this facility?  We're a place where nobody can go I want adult can fit in there.  They don't even need to fit in there. You can reach in Just reach in with your arms.  Does she know how it works? I want to have to put the wires there in the first place I know he said no communication, but your silence Worries me if he's learned of the children if I don't hear from you soon I'll head to Tatooine.   Jesus Christ.  Oh my god. They ruined bale. They ruined bale This is all assuming that there isn't someone in the empire tracking bale and they just follow him and find Luke How did they find us? There were four families.  That's the important thing to do And we we gathered them up. It's gonna be honest lady.  Yeah, I don't even remember your name I didn't know who they were. I didn't you're not you're no wade to me.  Is she dead in this episode? I couldn't do anything to help them Quite possibly. Should you both be doing something like adding more barricades to the door? Yeah, the risk was the guilty conscience. So if we establish this now She'll get a heroic sacrifice. Yeah, she's gonna die In a better show wouldn't be this predictable, but you can't fight to make them better. Oh, she's giving him inspiration. That's great Yeah, that's that's another tick on our bingo card.   It's all good. Yeah. Oh, he's got a chewy Uh Yeah, he's got a chewy he's got a chewy gun. He's got a chewy gun I mean it kind of looks like the door's so fine. It feels like this isn't doing much at all This is gonna talk for this thick door. You can't hear him Use the force there you go. Lord Vader will have you at any cost. You knew who Vader was How did you know that? Oh, we're addressing it. Vader would have kept that hidden. Oh, look at them Wow, and you're too young to have known him unless you were there the night of order 60 There's probably a lot of kids that they that they captured and converted, right? Enough! Well, we haven't learned anything yet. We knew all this We got the flashback? Yes. There you go Oh, sorry. I like how yeah, we called this in the first like minute of the show It's like, oh one of them is gonna be in the show Bad, okay.  They had hate in christianson and that this is all they've done so far I tried to help them, but I couldn't when he left I played dead played dead. How'd you play dead? Yeah, I felt the cold How could anyone make that mistake? Yeah, like he was right here. He was like, oh, you got me Oh, she had our attack. Okay. Let's leave They were the only family I knew Yeah, that's rough.  Yeah? Yeah, what's up with that?  Do you really want Anakin dead? Where were you while he was killing my friends?  Yeah, yeah order 66 happened I mean you just he's like one of those desired kills. How do you not know this?  What do you think? Do you think he would have let it happen if he was there? I don't need your help. I Don't need Anyone. Yeah, there you go. That's why she's angry at him. She's having this conversation in front of a lot of troopers No, it's quiet enough. They don't hear it. It's fine.  What's the point of the other weapon? Oh, okay. I'm not doing that. Oh my god. He's using a force Enough character time for plot Oh my god, there's a lot of stormtroopers out there. Yeah, but seriously, you cannot be Obi-Wan's plot armor right now He will kill all of them using like a tank or why are your Ship's cannons not shooting into there. How have the stormtroopers won already?   Why don't they make your armor out of that panel?    You can't be shot better if it's harder to see what's going on Are you listening to me? I feel like you're not listening to me. Would you stop talking? Yeah, just lay a note how the well and does lay a know that everyone's lives are at stake based on what she can do there People are dying lots of people are dying. It's weird to cut to her like being All the loader droids gonna have a heroic sacrifice, isn't it? Load of joy is definitely dead and they're gonna feel the fact that they probably know at this point We end up liking the droids more than the people.   Heroic sacrifice heroic sacrifice here on the load of bot. They're gonna have a heroic sacrifice. Yeah So they're not just shooting it to bits That happens when you stand in the middle of the hallway.  Oh Obi-Wan, you're only a few meters away. So he would save it, right? You'd get in front Where's Obi-Wan? What's he doing? Oh, he's watching again. Oh, no, they're dying Obi-Wan did nothing for like 10 seconds. I saw that show you can't get away with that Oh, wow, we're we're going full uh emotional terms one. Yeah, but roguan had a whole movie with the kts Yeah, also kts. I've had dialogue and they shut the gate and roll annihilated in the cold dog vacuum of space Not me I can survive in space. It's a robot. I don't care about this loader. It's not alive I care about the loader. I care more about the loader than her I care I care more about the loader than her. Yeah Yes, run. Oh, no that one stormtrooper pushed kenobi too far back to help it You had a grenade the whole time. Of course, you just shoot it and it closes You had a grenade this whole time May the force be with you. She said may the force be with you She's the force to push it away throw Grenade, that's what they do. Oh you had a grenade You're right if she'd thrown that at them and then the loader bot took the brunt of this explosion.  They weren't a choke point and everything that would have killed so many stormtroopers Yep This is a way better fight than they have in the last episode Admit you are beaten See the parallels They won't make a difference. They want all of us.  Yeah, do you think I'm just gonna leave? He knows I'll do everything I can to protect these people. You should do that. Oh, that's he knows I'm virtuous, you see All right, he expects me to surrender. He knows I'll do everything I can to protect these people Oh, so there are like 10 lightsabers just around Also, yeah, you're right. You could just take it a little bit.  There are other ways to fight So I'm gonna go ahead and bet this is dumber than just attacking them because of your insane plot armor But that's that's just a meta knowledge.  I hope she don't see me So like if the thing cut wires, how are you gonna like reattach them? You need equipment and tools in order to do press a button rags and he'll fix everything inform lord vader Kenobi is What was that? What was that weird bow thing? I don't know He's on his way Remember when Kenobi was really cool.  You're not bringing him to me I'm bringing him to you the storm church. That soldier is very close. You're right here Like what are y'all talking about? I like the Greg over there's like hey, man You know they're facing forward but their eyes are looking to the right What stop up the shaking off the cap. Fuck. Yeah, this shakiness stop It's this is a calm serene moment They were intended to film this scene with a tripod, but they forgot it We're gonna let him do it again. What he did to you.  He's gonna. Yeah, he's gonna get snoked I don't want anyone to get snoked Okay, why wait, where's it going? Dude, that's two storm troopers. We saw what happened with the girl with two storm troopers earlier. Remember He has the force. Obi-Wan can use the force.   I used to have telekinesis. It's in my hand now. No need for victory anakin. It blinds you. I mean, he did win though Yeah, but I won My need for victory seems to have secured a victory That scene the flashback scene seems to be in character with how the character is. I'm okay with with that scene so far Adam secured inside, my lord It's secured inside. Why is he not secure out here? Why? Why is he not right here? No, no, no, no, no, no Wow It's insane. It's so insane. You could have just kept him there in the third. This is the one thing we didn't want to happen He was kneeling in the dirt and you had him and for some reason you sent him alone with two storm troopers Oh, no boss fight boss fight.   She's just alive and everything.  Oh my god.  Tia, can she just pulled it off?  What does that say about droid, said the insane He's become evil But wow, there you go, she's in it The droid was specifically there to sabotage the door and she just pokes it with a screwdriver and it Fixes it. Yep instantly orbital. Yeah, I love the idea. The star destroyer is floating right above the opening like hello Yeah, they look up and it's like the alien ship from independence day Well, all they need is to say there's one of those cannons from hoth on this planet And you shoot the star destroyer with that as they escape.  You had one job and it was to not drop it No Dude, that's the equivalent of the right of being like, what do you think of this idea? We all go no, stop it Stop it. Just left one in the face. Wait, so I couldn't Riva have just opened those doors Holy fuck. No, no, no, no, no, he can't do that. He doesn't do that to the millennium falcon at hoth He can't do that No, no, no, no, he's not allowed to do that. No Also, they're fucked. Yeah What are they gonna do?  They're done.  What's gonna happen? What? What there you used a fake ship knowing that vader would use the first power to pull down the fake ship That didn't make any sense at all. There was no fake ship there to begin with.  What was that? You don't need to prove yourself as you're undoing you haven't won yet. Yeah, I'll just get my other one I'll just get yours. I'll get yours. Yeah, I don't understand the lesson there. Also. I'm glad we're alive He's still the father one because he didn't know there was a secret invisible second ship.    Oh, yeah, I got the okay. Oh, yeah, they can do this, right I was about to say you're the spinny boob. Here's some lightsaber Your edgy lightsaber is no match for me Comes apart. That's just useful Yeah Okay, I'm all right with this.  What was that? Oh, yeah, that was that was very awkward. That was very strange He Well, is she giving up? You got the force riva, right?  Then we wouldn't realize what this is a parallels What happened to her early in her life? Yeah Wait, he stabbed her as a kid. What? Wait, wait, he stabbed her as a and she lived she played dead. She played anything anymore I can't believe it. How'd it go?  I don't know I don't know. Did you really believe I did not see it youngling? You are of no further use.  Hello third sister.  Don't you Revenge does what he lived It's the opposite of leia dying of sadness. He lives for revenge.  So why was she allowed to lead the assault?   You got stabbed and lived. They're leaving. She got stabbed. They're actually leaving Is that her lightsaber in the ground? It's parallel drag. She survived as a kid too. This is great He's got to do a hero thing and I've said six so I'll give her a chance for that. He's a murderer and a killer. No, it's fine How many times do you think she could have killed veda by just like getting the jump on him When they were near each other, that would have been a better plan because she just tried that randomly at the end there That's all that was there were better times to do that river.   He's you got stabbed in the middle with the lightsaber She's just like fine learned of the children on tatooine I always say I've been stabbed.  Are you okay?  Yeah, I think that's it That's the only thing they like which was an all right scene. It was okay Except for the fact that they seem to nearly kill each other everything Well, and I don't I think I'd be critical of obi one's lesson because He he decided he won that fight when he hadn't yet.  So where to begin that episode was horrifically bad to the point where I'm not even sure what The worst episode is anymore Oh, yes, I think this one is a little too important for it to not be the one that is It hurts Vader significantly. It hurts kenobi clearly and it hurts bail organa significantly and the lore star was significantly So it's like that's a lot of damage Yeah, coupled with the expected bad plotting. Oh, yeah, lots of terrible terrible plot And this was the one that is getting Well received. Yeah, and this is specifically I think the reason the flashback, right? It's definitely that it's it's that it's a memberberry shit right there We really have crossed that you can't get more than this. We've recreated a scene from the prequels We went back in the day prequels was the black sheep.  Look, we're showing you stuff that you like come on This is one to one now. It's it's almost absurd Even though it's the thing I was saying they should do because look at the results Everyone's saying this episode's amazing because it's managed to distract them from that's a strong chance They would have said it's amazing regardless. It was amazing regardless Maybe because so much important stuff happens.  Yeah, exactly Because she's participated in the regime. She's participated in the regime that took everything from her I can't currently tell if the show is doing this deliberately or not Right because vader's motivation was he wanted to he had his own personal goals And at that point in the jedi temple he killed children because That was just something that he did in order to achieve his own personal goals He didn't have like anything against those kids is Well, no, he did hate the jedi at that point But you know his own goals clouded his judgment to the point where he was killing children Riva is doing exactly the same thing we um She is hunting jedi inc