If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode... Of Mind Pump. Get some. For the first 50 minutes, we do our fun conversation introductory. We talk about cycling supplements. What? These aren't supplements for cycling. Get on the cycle. It's taking supplements in a cycle. Did I confuse everyone? We talk about the future of the supplement industry. We make some predictions that will come true. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. Because I always do. We got crystal balls. We also talk about China's announcement. What? Is Trump winning? Uh-oh. Was Adam right?  Oh my God. I remember that episode. Interesting. We talk about China's social ranking program that they're doing country-wide. Sounds like an episode from Black Mirror. We talk about living in a game. We cover new technology where they're making video cameras that are smaller than a millimeter wide. Find out where Justin will go. And we talk about invisibility cloaks. We also mentioned our sponsor, FourSigmatic. I think I talked about cordyceps in particular. FourSigmatic makes... We gave them like a five-minute commercial. They make high-quality mushroom-based supplements. One of my favorites. If you go to FourSigmatic, F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C dot com forward slash mind pump, you'll get an exclusive discount. We also mentioned Organifi. They're the makers of organic supplements, protein powders, green juices, gold juices. One of our favorites. If you go to OrganifiShop.com, enter the code Mind Pump. They're the juiciest. You will also get another exclusive discount. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, should I focus on correctional and mobility work only if I have terrible form? We mentioned Prime and Prime Pro in that particular part of this episode. 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Get the NoBS six pack formula for free. You can find out more about these programs and others at mind pump media.com. I've been very impressed with Organifi and Legion and some other natural supplement companies.  Of the two that we have right now with four Sigmatic and Organifi, which one do you think you use the most? And like, what are you consistently using? Because out of all three of us, you probably definitely use the supplement products most. Although I do use a lot of the Organifi too, but I think you still outperform me. Do you use anything daily? Yeah, I do the Organifi drinks daily. One of them for sure. I think you might beat me then. I don't use anything daily. Not even the, because I know you sometimes you're on your kicks with the shrooms with the four Sigmatic. Yeah, so I do everything and I tend to do everything in cycles because here's just, this is just general observation. I already know it, I agree with you. Yeah, I don't know if this is always true, but generally speaking, if I take something and it has an effect that I can feel, then I know that my body is trying, because your body always wants to keep you in equilibrium. Right, homostasis. Always.   And I feel like anything that has an effect, unless I take something that has no effect on me, but if I take something, I'm like, oh shit, I feel this. Right. I always cycle it because inevitably, if I take it long enough, I start to get less and less and less in effect. Fade away. No, I 100% agree. When you and I were talking even about like my hormonal stuff that I'm messing with too, I was already thinking that, because this is my third round I ordered from Amazon. And I was like, I never run, like after back to back bottles of any supplement, I always cycle off for a while. Yeah. And I always feel a difference by coming. And so I don't know if it's a, there's a strategy in staying no longer than about 90, 60 to 90 days. I go 30. Yeah. I go 30 now because what I've, it depends on the product, but what I've noticed is if I take something for, if I take a product that has an effect, like let's say I do the Lion's Mane or Chaga or Cordyceps, which are great products from Four Sigmatic, I notice, I legitimately notice an effect from them. And I've, you know, for a lot of people, maybe think it's just because I'm sponsored by them. I've used those products from other companies and brands.  So if you guys are listening, we're going to be in Paleo FX. Yeah, we'll be out there for a week hanging out. So hopefully if we got listeners out there, we get to run into some of you guys. If you see us in Paleo FX, come up and give Sal a wedgie. Give me a wedgie, give Adam a noogie, and scream Mind Pump as loud as you can. And you might get a free t-shirt. You might get a free t-shirt for a free Maps program. Give me a high five. Yeah, not nuts. The wedgie part was just kidding. Everything else was real. No, but I remember, I mean, we were heading there and you said, I want to go after some sponsors of companies that I really like while we're here if I run any of them. They were the first priority. They were there and they were the first company. So like cordyceps I've used on and off for a long time. And with cordyceps, what I notice is if I'm training at a very high intensity, high level, because you know how it is when you train your body really hard, like I'm doing that right now. When everything's, when all cylinders are firing and I can push my body to a certain limit, it's like you're dancing on the edge. You know what I mean? There's that edge of like, you're doing the right amount and then if you go too much, you're over the edge. But you want to push that edge because there's always, you get those good returns from it. And so I feel like I'm doing that right now. So whenever I'm training hard, my gut health is good, my diet is good, my sleep is good, and I'm pushing the limit and I'm seeing progress and I'm pushing and pushing and pushing. Then when I throw cordyceps in, it's like my recovery's better, sleep's better, stamina's better. I tend to get a libido boost from it. But if I stay on cordyceps for like six weeks or so, it's like the peak I get from cordyceps is about two weeks, two or three weeks. That's when I'm getting like the most out of it. At four or five weeks at plateaus and then at about six or so, I start to feel like, am I taking something or is anything really happening? I don't really know.  And then I go off of them. But lately, lately I say lately, but this is probably the past couple of years. What I've done is I've applied the same mentality that we in the same concepts and understandings we have with exercise, with supplements. And when's the best time to switch out of your training phase? Is it when you plateau or before you plateau? No, it's before. Right. So what I do is I try to jump out before that fifth or sixth week when my body starts to plateau. Because plateauing and then declining is telling me at least, this is just again my, I'm guessing that receptors are down regulating and things are changing to bring my body.   Typically I'll wait three to four weeks and then I'll go back on. And it's different from product to product, but I... Were you having the quarter-steps doing the volume because I know you've started ramping up your volume and, you know, workload again? Dude, I've... So the things that really contribute to this, and I'm gonna be 100% honest, they're not the supplements. The supplements make a difference, but they don't make a difference if everything's not like on point. You know what I mean? If my gut health isn't great, if my... It's thrown a spoiler on a car. We've always talked about that.  Like at the end of the day, it is the... It's the last. It's the last thing. The order of operation is sleep, stress, nutrition, programming, all these other things are... And I've noticed that when I use supplements, effective supplements, I should say, ones that have actual research that show that they do something, when I use supplements on top of a optimized, healthy body or whatever and I feel good, then I notice a boost. If I throw supplements on top of like where things aren't 100% or feeling great, I feel like I'm taking nothing. So it's almost like your body's ability to respond, adapt, optimize is enhanced because you're healthy, because you feel really good. When you're not, like you could throw whatever you want at it. Your body doesn't... It's preoccupied.  So right now, because the last four months I've done this prolonged fast and this nutrition protocol, I just feel... Sleep is like, we're really prioritizing sleep. So it's tough because I have kids, obviously, so I have dual custody and when they're with me, my daughter goes to bed at 8.30. My son goes to bed at 9.30. Well, we wake up at five to work out. Is that by... Do they naturally go to bed at that time or do you allow an hour later for him? If you allow... That's weird.  You have to prioritize sleep. No, no, no. What I was asking was the fact that you have them on different. That's different to me. So when I was a kid, my sister and I are a year apart from each other and we went to bed at the same time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, younger, go to bed earlier. Oh, wow. Yeah. Is that a reward as you get older? Do you have to tell your daughter? I try not to make it as much of a reward because then they feel like they're being punished for being young. You know what I'm saying? So there's definitely truth to telling your kids...  Yeah. So, and I've thought of that and the thing about the whole he's older argument, which has truth in it, you just have to be careful because when you're younger and you hear that, it feels like it sucks to be young and it's a punishment and that kind of stuff. So instead what I say to her is I say, well, you're younger, your body needs more sleep. You tend to feel healthier when you get a little bit more sleep and that may change as you get older. I also tell her boys and girls tend to have different requirements for sleep and then individuals have different requirements and you just seem to do better when you go to bed at this time and sleep is important. And that's it. I just leave it at that because individual variances matter there too. Like some people do better with more sleep and some... And my daughter for sure, let me tell you something right now. Last night I put her to bed at 8.30 and she was scared of something.  So it took her an hour to go to sleep and I'm pretty... If you can't sleep, that's fine. But you're going to stay in your room. You can chill there until you fall asleep. Yeah, I haven't got to that point yet. It's interesting how I'm going to deal with that. So that's good to know. Because both kids will go to sleep together, but they definitely have different sleeping patterns. Ethan is such a light sleeper. And so he's just always constantly up or down or up or down. And so we've had to kind of get him... We gave him a little light so he could read if he can't sleep. He's just like, okay, I'll just sit up here in my bed and read so he doesn't keep coming upstairs and be like, I can't sleep. Yeah, so I taught my daughter a couple of relaxation because she was scared last night. So I tell her stuff like... And I kind of sell it to her and I say, okay, think about the most awesome dream you could possibly have and what it would have in it. And if you close your eyes and you imagine this amazing dream and really think about all the things you want to experience in your dream and the more detailed you can get, the better then you may dream about that thing in real life. So you may actually go to sleep and have that dream. And so she's been pregnant. I know what that does, right?  Yeah, you dream about it. And then she may, she might, she might or might not dream about it, might not remember it. But yeah, last night she was up till 9.30 and my daughter needs... She needs a lot of sleep. Like she wakes, she woke up this morning, pissed. Like she just so... Every time like... So Jessica goes upstairs, right? We come in from the workout and I'm, you know, making the kids breakfast and stuff.  I'm like, oh, thank you. So she goes upstairs and she's much more gentle than I am with the kids to wake them up.   So she's tried to wake them up or whatever she comes down and I don't hear any movement.  Like if they don't. So I'm like, hey, are you guys... And then my daughter real loud, I'm awake. Okay. I'm like, oh, eight-year-old. You gotta get the... Is it the Google Home commercial or the Alexa commercial, have you seen that? Where the parents are sitting down, they're having breakfast in their kitchen. It's a two-story house. And it goes, Alexa, play, you know, whatever, wake up music and then it's in the whole house.  No, what we're gonna do now is I have an alarm clock for her and she tends to like responsibility. So I'm gonna tell her, set your alarm clock for 7 a.m. or whatever and then you'll responsible get yourself up and then she'll do it. I know she will. Or if she doesn't, I'll have to wake her up.  Well, I know we switched over to your kids but I actually was gonna ask you guys your thoughts on where you think the supplement industry is going in the next five to 10 years. Do you think we're gonna see some major shifts? Do you think we're gonna see a bunch of new stuff come out or do you think that the supplements are going to slow down and we're gonna see that kind of slowly start to dip? I think personally for supplements, I think more... That's too much money. The whole supplement market is going the whole, you know, natural type approach. Whether that means it's actually real or not, we'll see. But I also think it's going in the lifestyle direction where you'll get like a supplement and then it's more niche like, oh, you're into yoga, hiking, here's your product, you're into, here's your product, type of deal. Other than that, I don't see any huge breakthroughs with products or anything.  All of a sudden, now that's getting more popular. Trying to figure that out and that angle of like... That's a good point. It feels so... What is that? What are you talking about?  And it was just all like your chiropractor or whoever was like recommending all these like herbs and like natural things. So I feel like it's kind of, it's going to shift into more, that's going to be super popular and then it's going to get exploited. And I don't know, I just feel like until we cure the mindset that a pill is going to be the answer, like in a condensed form, that's going to provide like instantaneous sort of results in a health direction. You know, my favorite... It'll exist. Supplement store experience ever it was. In Chinatown, I went to a Chinese medicine supplement store and there were very little bottles. There were very few bottles with like labels and stuff like that. Most of it was actual dried herbs in jars and the person working there would ask you, you know, what are you looking for? And then they do that. Like Chinese, have you guys ever been to someone just Chinese medicine? No, I haven't. So they'll check your pulse. They'll check your tongue. They check a couple other things. And based off of that... Thermometer. Yeah, they put your finger. I knew it. Yeah, it's good stuff. So anyway, but they do a few things, a few Chinese medicine type tests or whatever and they're testing your pulse for the strength of it and the speed of it and a couple other things. My uncle told me all this stuff. The tongue, I forgot what that was for and I think they look at your hands and nails and then they ask you questions and then they will take the herbs out of the jars and create your own custom like supplement. Oh, interesting. And then they'll write out the regime. So this dried herb make a hot tea with it twice a day. You know, this one take at night. Oh, that's kind of cool. I see some potential. Yeah. And then on top of it, they'll say, because Chinese medicine rarely ever gives you just herbs. Like they don't ever do that. They're not like, oh, you have a problem with your libido. They'll say, okay, this is the diet you should eat. These are the foods you should avoid. These are the exercises you should do and then take these supplements. It sounds like a diagnostic. I think we're going to see performance supplements begin to die. And I know that people are like, what, you're crazy because athletes and this and that. I think much of that. Yep. And I think what it's going to look like is like this. I think we're getting so close to this ability to track everything. Like we talked just the other day about the tooth cap, right? And be able to calculate. I think we're going to be able to have something that gives us daily and weekly feedback on what we could be lacking nutritionally. So for example, like let's say, and this happens to me all the time, like this week we had butcher box come in and we had all this red meat and then the next day I had some more beef and then I had bison and I really hadn't got a lot of white meat or fish in the diet for the last few days. So now I'm aware of this. So I make the conscious effort to either one, take fish oil or two, go get some fish in my diet. But I think the future will be you will get this immediate feedback and it'll tell you like, hey, you're lacking these vitamins. You know, you haven't got any foods that have these things and it'll give you that feedback and then you'll supplement that way. And why I think this is going to crush performance supplements is because what we're going to find out is when you actually are just giving the body what it needs nutritionally that it's going to they'll outperform people. Exactly. It will outperform the people who are taking the latest, greatest, you know, to explode with creatine and fuse this, you know what I'm saying?  Right. So they're not going to be able to move products the way these things. Right. That's been a dream of mine since I was a kid. Like when I was a kid I used to like fantasize that I had something that could tell me here's what you should eat today. That does seem like a dream. Here's your supplements for today based off of your body and your hormonal level and whatever. Like that would be... We're not far from that. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. I kept thinking like that when we had the body bug and we had all these like, you know, wearable devices. I'm like, where's the progression? Where's the eating version of that? You know, and it's like we've been waiting for a long time. See, this is why, you know, back on the topic of whole supplements is this is why when you when you take a whole plant, you know, there are things in that plant that typically many times this is what Chinese medicine is found as well. Many times what's in that plant along with the active ingredient that Western scientists have synthesized, there are things that enhance its use, reduce the potential negatives within your body and there's like natural... There's like natural compounds within that whole plant that prevent some potential negatives. So I've used this example before, but like white willow bark contains a compound that if you extract, it's very similar to aspirin. In fact, that's where they learned about how to create aspirin was from this white willow bark. And if you extract it and concentrate or standardize it, you can overdose on it, no problem. It's hard to overdose on just white willow bark though. You know what I'm saying? And there's other benefits to it that may actually help that you don't get just from the active component. A lot of fibrous material. So like one thing that I really like about four-sigmatic is for example, cordyceps. There are compounds within cordyceps that Western scientists have identified as the compounds that are likely the things that are giving you the boost in performance and stuff, right? And so they take these compounds out and a lot of cordyceps supplements will be like, this has this much concentration. This is all we're focused on.  And I think that's the way you should take herbs and plants and stuff. I think you should take them in that way because there's things that we haven't identified yet. Look, herbs and plants and supplements and those types of forms have been used for thousands of years. It's only recently that we've learned to extract and standardize and take out these specific things. And I think that there's a benefit to that for acute issues and illnesses, but for general health and performance, I think there's more benefit in the whole plant, the whole mushroom. Because we don't know. There's so much about the plant that we don't know and there's still so much about our gut that we don't know to think that they're not, you know, inversely related to each other is silly to me. You've got it, you've got it. Or just directly related. Or yeah, directly related to it for that matter. I think that for sure, having the whole foods is going to be the route. But I think that's why what's going to happen with supplements is supplements, the whole performance side and the hype shit, I think we're going to see that start to die. I think we're going to see it start to slow. I agree. And maybe it'll hang around there for your elite, elite athletes that have already dialed in all their vitamins, dialed in their nutrition and sort of maybe they'll take it. But I think once we really hone in on your people's deficiencies and we have this ability to give them that immediate feedback so they know, oh, I'm deficient in these vitamins and I can take those today but then maybe tomorrow I'm fine, you know. Once we have that feedback and then we can start to measure the performance, the increased performance from them, I think it's going to trump the average Jane or Joe who's not doing that stuff and just taking it. Going on the whole foods kind of idea, it would be super awesome and this is already kind of happening just based off of like people steering a little bit more towards quality versus just cheap, you know, price points or whatever where, you know, food companies will take that extra bit to outperform and compete on a nutrient level, right? Yeah.  They're taking all these factors to the next level and then they're presenting all that, you know, with transparency to the consumer. People are wealthier today than they've ever been before and so early on, one of the biggest selling points, still a selling point, don't get me wrong, but it was the selling point with food was cost, like, had to be cheap, had to be affordable. Well, people have more money nowadays. We have more money to spend and so now companies are selling you their beef by saying it's, you know, grass-fed or it's humanely raised.  I'm buying a steak and it's on my plate. You know, fair trade and we're paying our workers and, you know, the right wages and you know, these are all selling points now because people now, there's more money, more competition and people want like quality or they want to at least feel like they're getting better quality as a point and so the whole market continues to move in that direction. I definitely see that going with supplements.  They were, who knows what I took. You know what I'm saying? Lots of our all messed up.  What was in the stuff we're taking? Dude, it was such a scam, 10-50. It still is a scam, it was a huge scam. 10-50 years ago. All baking powder and like, boner pill powder. Bro, do you ever remember looking at the back of you guys took weight gainers right back in the day? I used to take, my go-to was MegaMass2000 sometimes I remember that one? MegaMass or MegaMass. It's like, what is it? It's like a video game, right? MegaMass2000 or 3000 or 4000. But you know what I figured? At least I was smart enough to figure this out. I bought MegaMass 4000, I'm like, oh fuck, this is way better. And you open it up and the serving size was twice as big.  I remember literally like adding it up and be like, it's the same thing. Man shovel. Oh look, they still have MegaMass 5000 now.  So I used to do MegaMass... Who made that? It was Weeder. This is not the right company. Maybe they sold off the name. They might have. It was Weeder. So I had MegaMass2000, 3000 or 4000 or I'd have the... What's that other brand? They made Rip Fuel. ABB? No, no, no, no, no. It was a big... American something? No, it was a big company. I can't believe, I can't remember the name. They sold everything in... Give me the colors. In glass bottles. Twinlabs. We should play like Supplement Trivia. Like old Supplement brands that we used to take. $200. So Twinlab had a weight gainer that I would take. I can't remember the name. So I would do that one, MegaMass. Serious Mass. Look at that one. Because you weren't serious before with Mega. But you ever look at the back of them with a serious ultra. So I'd look at this MegaMass or this whatever one from Twinlab and it's a, you know... By the way, the servings on the bottle it's always mixed with whole milk. That's how they got to 2000 calories. It was like 900... You have to mix it with whole milk. Yeah, it was like 16 ounces or 20 ounces of... Two tablespoons of butter. Actually, Doug, you have it up. Scroll down. I want to see the nutrition facts for a second. So 1270 calories. Look at the serving size. Seven round scoops. Seven round scoops. Oh my God. Look at this. Ten servings in the container. How big is the container, Doug? Scroll up again. Bro, wait a second. You'll have to break this down first so people understand. Hold on a second. This is a 12... This is today, by the way. They reformulated this. It was worse when I was a kid. 12 pound bag of MegaMass 4000. Ten round bag. Ten servings. 16 servings in the whole bag. In 12 pounds. What are you blending?  If you take 1270, and you divide that by 7, it's about 140-150 calories per scoop, which is your basic standard way. Your normal way scoop is about 110 to 130 calories per scoop with about 10 grams of protein. So when you look at this, this is basically seven times that. That's all it is. Well, that's actually worse because there's only 15. Yeah, it is worse. You're right. There's less protein. They're giving you less protein. You have to add that whole milk. It's 50 grams of protein for a 1270-gram awful ratio. Terrible. But so when I was a kid now, if you look at it now, it's 250 grams of carbs per serving and 25 grams of sugar. So they've tried to take out... Minimize the sugar. There's a low amount for that. They've just put in a shit-ton of maltodextrin probably. Yeah, this is the top one. It's maltodextrin. Maltodextrin is a complex carb. I'm using quotes here, but it's not necessarily super healthy for you. When I was a kid, it was 250 grams of carbs and it was 150 grams of sugar. It was all dextrose. It was calories. It was terrible. That was probably single-handedly what ruined my gut. That had to cause damage. Because the first ingredient in them, so now it's advanced protein blend. There's whey and some casing. Back then it was like powdered milk. Probably was the first ingredient. Doug, will you pull up cell tech the same way? I'd like to look at the back of that. Oh, cell tech. Oh, my God. Oh, man, my buddy. The fruit punch or the grape? Let's see how much they've changed this because the label looks way different than what it used to look like. Let's see how different the cell tech sugar is. Remember when they have a loading phase? Over the first week, you're taking five times the amount. Six scoops a day. I remember my buddies.  I remember working down the gym and being like, fuck, dude, this stuff works so good. I put on five pounds, dude. You know what I used to take?  We got to make sure we give twin lab a shout out. Gainer's fuel. That's what I used to take from twin lab. Gainer's fuel. And then I bought metrics. You guys remember metrics? You don't remember metrics?  Oh, they're down to 15 grams. That is totally different. It used to be 75 grams of sugar. There was way more than that. You remember metrics? Can you look at metrics? I know Doug took metrics. Met RX? That was an old school. There it is. I remember they sold me on the fact that their protein was special. It looks like Slim Fast. It is Slim Fast. It's like Slim Fast. God, pure trash. Maybe that was the pivot. Maybe out of that, it created Slim Fast. No. Metrix was created by Dr. Connolly. You remember that? Here's the wonderful things about having a random memory. I think it was Dr. Doug, check on this. Is it Dr. Scott Connolly? I think his name was. Do you remember the doctor that invented the Gainer shake? And he invented Metrix. It's a wonder I ever went and argued. He was literally a fan of supplements. I get it. He invented Metrix, and it was the, yep it is, Dr. Scott Connolly.  He invented Metrix. I don't know how I remember that. He was an anesthesiologist by the way.  We're like watching Bo Jackson. He's like, yeah dude, this doctor. You know, Scott Connolly. But how funny is that? He's an anesthesiologist, which you have to be very smart to be one. Invented by a doctor. That's all you need. You need a lab coat. The way they sold Metrix was, it was this special protein blend that was super anabolic and it was just special and patented. It was patented for Metrix and so I bought that stuff and I gained nothing from it. It actually tasted decent, although my taste buds are a little thrown off from all the supplements I've taken since I was a kid. I think they're going to head, I shouldn't say die, they're going to go away because it's forever. People are going to always be a market. It's going to diminish for sure. I think it's going to shift. I think we're going to start seeing more and more people. I mean, this is why I remember, it was almost two years ago when I told you guys one of the guides I really wanted to write is I wanted to come up with a very generic Supplement for your needs, right? Yes, a guide called Supplement for Your Needs and just basically give people an idea for example, like, you know, do you get X amount of hours of sunlight per week and like, if not, this could be potential, you could be deficient in vitamin D. Do you get X amount of these fruits? You could be, not me prescribing, not as telling you this is what you need, but at least helping people in the direction of assessing their own diet, their own habits, their own patterns and then knowing at least what direction they should start to look into. And of course, I'm saying that you should go through whole foods and fill those. I would love it to be like, questionnaire like that, the deficiency you could potentially have and then the foods that are highest in those nutrients. I think that would be such a powerful guy. Yeah, are there companies, I know that they do blood tests and stuff for, you know, what allergies and all these kinds of things. There's companies that have to exist that kind of match you to that. So they do, but here's the... We don't have the technology to measure. Well, it's so, the daily individual variance is so high, right? Like you could, just like I was saying before... Yeah, you change that on time. If you hadn't had fish all week or maybe two weeks in a row and that's the most you haven't had fish, you could show that you have deficiency somewhere but then all of a sudden you have a week where you have all of it it's going to show that you have maybe a surplus. So I think it's more like, and that's why I would want to make a guide of just like, you know, if you're somebody who always skips these foods there's a really good chance that you could be missing these things. I think that would be amazing. I think real time is going to be very important. That type of data is also... The ability to collect real time data is also going to give us complete breakthroughs in how the human body reacts to foods and stress and thoughts and exercise and all these things because up until now it's been kind of difficult. But when these... think about it this way. If they want to test real time data on you now, you go to a lab you do an activity, they take a blood test right away. And it's not 100% real time, right?  And the sample size is small. You have to have so many people signed up for the study. It's expensive. There's a little bit of a self-selection bias. The type of people that tend to sign up for those studies tend to fall into a particular category. Imagine when this becomes available to the consumer. Now we have just the average consumer, millions of people wearing these devices. You can aggregate that data and you can get real. And I bet you we're going to blow our minds. I bet you we're going to get all this data and we're going to be like, oh, we were totally wrong on that. Or this is how these foods actually how people react to them. Or look what happens here when people work out this particular way in the morning. I think it's going to blow our minds. We know a lot, but we know there's so much more we don't know. It's not even funny. And I think having millions of people Oh, it's going to be life changing. It's going to be totally life changing.  So they want to believe that that's going to get them all ripped and shredded in six weeks. Right. But we're I mean, we've seen the market shift. I mean, we've seen it shift already just in the small time that we've been doing mind pumping. I think we're causing it. So we tell sorry. We're not we're just we're just calling it as we see it. Right. How'd you guys know orchestrating it's right there. Dude, Adam, you must be you must be happy. I didn't think you're going to bring it up. I didn't think you're going to bring it up. I got to bring it up. Of course, bro. Here's a deal. Here's the article I sent to you guys. And I did a post of it on my Instagram. So China's president. I hope I'm pronouncing his name right. Xi Jinping. Hope I'm saying it right. He announces plans to open up China's economy, which is a great thing. But this includes lowering tariffs for automobiles and enforcing the legal intellectual property of foreign firms.  So he goes up there and says we're going to start lowering these tariffs and stuff. Trump Trump's little negotiating. His bishop just slid right over and just put him in check. You know what's interesting? Well, here's the thing, I think that Trump is perceived as crazy enough to do exactly what he says he's going to do. So these world leaders are like, we better kind of means it. This is crazy. That's why I love him, hate him. I didn't vote for him. I'm not pro him, anything like that. But at the end of the day, I don't know what the country needed after having such a pushover before. He's coming across because this is like the second or third time now where he's done something. And I'm like, what are you doing, dude? And then, you know, we talked about this on the episode. We talked about it. And we all speculated, I mean, because I said even, I said, you know, the only thing I could see that he may be doing is catering to his base or potentially using it as leverage, right? Like as negotiating. And now I've got this piece.  But he seems to be doing that. And the motherfucker tell you what, man, he might just well be the best negotiator we've had since Reagan. Yeah, those business tactics coming into play. It's exactly what he's doing because you could see like, he threatened to raise taxes on companies that had stuff overseas. Like if you open up plants overseas or whatever, and everybody's like, well, that's, you know, of course, that's going to raise the price of goods and whatever dumb economics.  We're opening all these, you know, new businesses and new locations in America. Now he's doing this thing with China. It's cracking me up.  And this is a good thing. If China, the funny thing about China is there's so much more free market than any other communist country in history. They see the power of the free market and how much wealth it can create. And so they're like, there's no comparison between them and the Soviet Union when it comes to markets. Now, China's not free market, but way more free market than the Soviets were. And it's such a good thing when the world opens up its markets and makes it easy and eliminates barriers for trade because think about it, that's all on the way here as I was driving, I was thinking about this and explaining this so people get it because I think a lot of people in their mind think, oh no, we need to work with just America and protect Americans and save America and forget other countries. Here's the thing. If you want a product to be made or something to be done efficiently, do you think you'll have a better potential result from being able to pull from a million people or from being able to pull from 10 million people? Right? It's the same thing. We can literally say there's four of us in here right now, me, Adam, Justin, and Doug. We're going to do everything. We're not going to hire no one else. We're not going to do anything else. It's just going to be on us because we want all the work and we want all the whatever. Is that as effective as us saying we should let other people who are better at these things do them and let people compete and see what happens and end up employing and working with potentially thousands of people. It's exceptionally good at some things, creating the products that other countries buy and other countries doing other things and it just opens up markets, drives down prices, increases quality. The fact that China is doing this is excellent and it looks like Trump's gamble it's too early to say but maybe working which is hilarious.  I'll look at his policies and I'll be like good, bad or whatever. There's a lot of mixed feelings out there, I'm sure. Just confused. Oh, I know. So every time this happens. I've seen it. Can I tell you something right now? Can I tell you something right now? There's only one Hitler, okay? We haven't had a president that's anywhere near Hitler. I wish we could make an example of something else. Even FDR who you know put the Japanese comparing everything to Hitler and cigarettes, right? Come on. We need some new.  It makes me laugh because he does something like this and then it just makes them even more mad. Speaking of China, what do you think of the whole social ranking that's been it's already in place, huh? They went from like... That's very scary. It's crazy. I can't believe it. But it's control.  What's trippy is they're going to be able to show all kinds of stats of lower deaths, lower crime, lower all this stuff from that. I wouldn't trust their statistics, but you're right. But I wouldn't trust their statistics. But they will be able to show that, you know that, right? I was reading that article of some of the things like if you're not ranked high enough to fly, bro. If you're a bad... And if you're friends with someone who's ranked low, your ranking goes down. That's the crazy part. But we talk about this all the time. Your true net worth, your net value, everything is the collection or the average of the five people you spend the most time with. They're controlling that for you. They're helping you out. They're like, listen, indirectly. We're going to put a number on that. You, Sal, need to get some better friends because two of your friends are bringing your score down, dude. Yeah, they're literally living a video game over there. Dude! Is this bad? Is it bad that I'm so intrigued by it and interested and glad China's doing it? No, it's the first time it's ever happened, right? I don't want anything to do with it for us. But I'm very curious to see what it does. I want to see all the ways people are going to manipulate it. I want to see all the people in power that are going to figure out how to... Oh, like hackers? Oh, yeah. They're going to put some numbers, like advantages, or put people's scores lower.  Of course they will do that, though. Anytime you put a value on something, somebody's going to hack into it. It may actually backfire, because think about it this way. Imagine if this is country-wide, that's a massive country, their wealth is increasing, which is going to give them more trouble anyway because as their wealth increases, people are going to want more and more autonomy and more freedom. But imagine this. Imagine you have country-wide, you have these people on the social network. Although it will be a minority, it's still going to be a sizable percentage of people that are going to be lower in the rankings. Once you can see that you have allies, like, oh, there's a million of us that are like this, or 10 million. Because it's a country. How many billions of people are in China? It's an incredibly massive country. That could backfire. People could actually use it in a way to revolt or band together and say no. It may not be... Well, then they'll just manipulate the numbers. They'll see that too many people are forming a group within this number category. And so they'll just start upping classes. It's just like this weird... To me, it looks like an old class system. They're having control of who has power, who doesn't have the power, and they probably shift it in their favor. Dude. When you create classes like that and you create a disparity big enough and you oppress one side long enough, that's like a recipe for disaster. I kind of feel like that we already naturally do this. It's kind of organizing it more. Yeah, there's natural hierarchies. People naturally structure themselves in ways or someone may be higher on the hierarchy than other people. I would argue that money already naturally does this. It's just an example of exchange, right? But the difference is when you start to feel forced by it and you start to feel oppressed by it, then... Well, somebody behind the control board, behind that, that's what creeps me out. Versus just letting it happen as they're competing naturally. I wonder if they're going to eliminate money through that. Imagine that. It makes sense because you have a number.  It just makes sense that if your number value is already as such... I really think that we're going to head into it. I think we're going to go back to a barter type system, dude. I really do. I believe cryptocurrency is going to come around. Well, crypto is not barter. Barter would be a trade product for product. That's got limitations. But I think it's going to work in conjunction with crypto. Well, crypto is still... Yeah, because crypto is still money. You don't want barter because what happens with barter is if Justin raises chickens and I make car tires, I might want to buy some of his chickens, but he might not want any tires, so money allows us to make that. Here's the thing. If you want to attack America, you're not going to beat us with the military. Let's not give them ideas.  Here's the blueprint. You think I'm the first one to say this? It'll be our money. Attack our money. You create an alternative currency that becomes the world's reserve and we're fucked. Now all of our debt kills us. So anyway, other news. So TechCrunch, you guys ever read TechCrunch? Yeah, all the time. They're talking about these cameras. I'm going to try and open up the article. They're almost microscopic that can record. What? That's small? Yeah, so I'm going to pull up the article right here. So these are under a millimeter wide.  Yes, and they're powered by light. So the light that comes in will power it. And they're doing 15 frames per second already. So the type of quality that you'll see is like this. Oops, sorry. There you go. See that? It's not bad with a under one millimeter size camera. Wow. Now think of the... It looks like an old newspaper. I wonder how many people, how many Tim Foil hats are going to be bought now after this? Can you just throw one of those things? Like you can't find it. Dude, a camera that's under a millimeter? Put that everywhere. Oh my God, that's going to be crazy. People are going to be watching everybody. What are you going to do with that?  And then he almost said you got cameras all over you.  I'm sorry, I'll see you guys later. Four cameras in the corner. We might as well start now. Just film yourself doing everything. Do they have it priced yet? No, no, no. It's not available yet. This was created at the University of Michigan. Oh, is it a company? Do we know? No, no, no. It's a University of Michigan, some research that they did over there, and they created this.  Like it had like, like it was in a flower or something. Like that was a cool thing. Magic stores. Yeah, they'll never see this. You know, it's like in the lapel. This one you literally can't see.  Yeah, no, no. A millimeter wide is like, it's like a nail, like your fingernail. You know what they can do with that? And this is the sci-fi in me coming out, right? They could actually like sew that, and create like a fabric. And now, like, invisibility is possible, right? Oh! It's an invisibility cloak. No, I'm with you. Remember watching Predator? Yeah. Okay, remember the alien and how he was kind of invisible? Actually, no, that's a monitor. So it'd have to have like a monitor screen. So that's different. That's fine. Yeah, so you have the camera, basically the camera shoots like whatever's outside of you and then it projects on your cloak. So you remember Predator where he's kind of invisible, but you can kind of see him? Yeah. Okay, so they already have technology that they're working on like this, where you wear this cloak or whatever, and what it's doing is it's... You're going to be able to be invisible? Yeah, dude, that's seriously awesome.  So it looks like you're looking through me. Yeah. So it's not exactly invisible? No. Just like Predator, you like a form of... It's pretty close to invisible, though.  Predator invisible is invisible enough. Yes, it's happening.  What? What? Yeah. That's great. Yes. I want one of these. How cool would that be? I'm into it. Where would you go first? First place to go. Where would you go? Woman's locker room. Oh, my God. I know. I'm just saying what Justin was thinking. I can see it. I was trying to think of another answer to not be so creepy. That's the 14-year-old version. Yeah. If you had an invisible cloak, where are you going? For real. For real. I want to go somewhere where they're having a secret meeting. I wouldn't judge you if you answered that. No, no, no. I want to...  Just hide in the corner. Yeah.    I wouldn't use it. I wouldn't... I don't care. There's nowhere I want to go that I don't want to be seen. I really don't care. But I would love... Imagine how scary that would be.   You have no idea. Bro, you open the door. You open the ultimate, like...  You open the... I just grab your ankle.  Viral video ain't gonna happen. That would be so fun. Yeah. All right. Bring on the invisible bird. This clause brought to you by Organified. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organified fills the gap with laboratory-tested, certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance of the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organified.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Natural Health Warrior. If my form on every lift is garbage, should I still lift weights or just do correctional mobility work? So... Did they put Prime Pro there or did you put that, Doug? They mentioned Prime Pro, yes. This is a great question. So... It is a great question. So, you guys know how a couple of weeks ago I was going, I went hiking with the kids a few places or whatever. So, we went to the Pinnacles, one of my favorite places to go hiking. And when we first get there, another car pulls up with, next to us. And out of the car come out these, like, classic Jim Bros. Oh yeah, you talked about this. Yeah, did I tell you guys on the show? Yeah, you told us. And did I tell you guys about the dysfunction? Yeah.  Are you getting that over? You're starting to repeat stories. Like an old... That's a dad. Is that a dad? Yeah, dude.  That was yesterday. We talked about this. I told you guys my memory is selective. Adam, you got the ear hair. You got losing memory. This guy remembers the fucking... I'm replacing my teeth. The chiropractor who made up protein 30 years ago. He was very selective. He wasn't a chiropractor. I remember that. Oh, man. So, no, that was a great example of what happens when you have imbalances or suboptimal movement patterns and then you just go lift heavy weights. You end up creating the shell around your dysfunction. You end up building a very strong muscular dysfunctional body which is... It's not a good thing because you're building on a broken system. And you're building around it. You're creating the shell around it. So, let me put it this way. Athletes are a great example of this, too. Oh, such a great example. I remember the first time we were hanging out with Brink and we were kind of prodding and had questions like this. Like, hey, when you saw... I don't remember Justin or I or who asked Brink this when we were asking because he deals with so many professional athletes.  These guys are just like so... He's like, oh, it's the opposite. They're the most fucked up and the most dysfunctional because they've just learned from an early age how to cheat and to be able to work their way through it. And so it's crazy when you think about that that some of these athletes... I mean, we had somebody shoot with us not that long ago and athlete, collegiate level athlete, incredible shape. And they were doing exercises and I remember Sal and I looking at each other because we were like, oh, fuck, are we going to be able to use these videos? I know. His mechanics are not very good at all, man. Balance. Right. Jumping things. I was like... Right. You look at somebody sometimes and you think that because they look buff or they look lean or they look in great shape that they're going to have good biomechanics and a lot of times that's not the case and this is such a great question along those lines. Sometimes what happens is you have an imbalance. You have poor recruitment patterns or suboptimal patterning and you become really strong within it. Sometimes that sets you up for a more catastrophic injury.  It's a massive tear. It's a big problem. You can produce even more force to a less favorable recruitment pattern. It's like now you're adding more force and more torque in that direction. The body, we've said this so many times the body's an adaptation machine and when you exercise or move a lot in a particular way your body's goal is to become as efficient and effective at that movement as possible given the context of your current ability to move. So here's a great example. I haven't used this one a long time. If I've been typing on a keyboard with my two pointer fingers for the last 10 years that's how I type with my two index fingers. I can get pretty fast. I can probably be pretty fast with two fingers but I wouldn't get nowhere as fast as I could with all my fingers doing the proper way. But the problem is when I switch from my hunt and peck to index fingers to using my whole hand there's a little bit of a learning curve and in the first month or three months I'm gonna be slower with the quote unquote faster way than I was with the slower way because my body had become so efficient with what I had given it but over time the potential is so much higher with using all my fingers that after six months or however long not only did I surpass my previous best but I surpassed it by a long shot.  If you're already able to exercise and you think you're an able body already but then inside you know maybe you have poor recruitment patterns or you have bad mechanics you could just say fuck that I care about leaning out I wanna look a certain way so I'm gonna burn fat I'm gonna build muscle and get to a point where you're feeling good not a lot of people wanna accept that fuck you mean to tell me you have to do these boring type of exercises and movements for potentially months or even some people years before I should really even be progressing myself with heavy weight And this is why I feel for athletic trainers for professional athletes because if you get a pro athlete who's competing at the highest level their bodies have been so good at compensating and becoming efficient at whatever they're giving them you know recruitment patterns or whatever let's say I get a pro basketball player and they come in and they're like I wanna hire you well my question's gonna be is it for improving your performance in basketball now or later on or much later on because right now if it's to improve your performance right now and if I take your shoes off and I see your feet are all fucked up and I try working on those we're gonna have to scale you way back oh you're gonna regress them you're gonna fuck your athletes and then you're gonna suck it your performance is gonna go down you're gonna suck at your sport because you've been so good at it with these compensations for so long so it takes a second to take a step back however if I know that the goal is long term I know that in a year not only will we get you back to where you were but we'll get you even further because the potential of your performance is highest when your body is moving in the most optimal way it can move so I'll say that again when you look at your total potential how much you can bench or squat or deadlift or how fast you can run or how awesome you could look and all these different things there are potentials that your body has and you can reach a much higher potential if your body moves any more optimal way in all those things now you may just be really good at moving badly and your body's learned how to do it in a very efficient way to the point where look if you have a 600 pound deadlift but you have you know bad ankle mobility or maybe your hip mobility isn't good we're gonna work on that you're not gonna be able to deadlift 600 pounds with the new recruitment patterns it's gonna take a while well think about the direction you just went with the powerlifter like how often or how many times have you guys seen this I know I've trained a ton in my life my time being a trainer is these guys that you know all through their 20s and 30s were a powerlifter and they were a strong powerlifter pulling 5, 6, 7, 800 pounds up off the floor and you know could show me pictures of them doing that and trophies they won and then I got a hold of them when they're 45 or 50 and they're a fucking mess broken absolute mess and so that's just because they got really good like you said they've had dysfunction since day one and they just got really good at compensating for it and working through it so you do you have to ask yourself now this person natural health warrior I'm assuming cares more about being healthy and that's their goal I would 100% would tell you to live in Prime Pro and I think the earlier you adopt these concepts the better right because now you're you're building off of something that you know has staying power has longevity as far as like understanding your body on a way deeper level and connecting to parts of your body that you know for most athletes even would remain dormant and they would revolve completely around these compensation patterns to get them through and so yeah that is a struggle like bringing an athlete that's already a hyper-former back to revisit you know some of these concepts is like that is a I feel for any coach or athletic trainer that has to do that you gotta ask yourself you know what you're doing this for so are you doing are you are you doing this because you want to maximize your performance your health your fitness your aesthetics or are you doing this because you're so afraid of taking even the most you know miniscule step back that you have to just maintain everything every single day if that's who you are that's a first of all it's a terrible place to live I used to live there I used to be so afraid of losing a half a pound on the scale that I never allowed myself to get lean and never allowed myself to visit different training modalities or whatever because I was so scared of taking a step back sometimes actually many times steps back are what you need to leap forward you know it's like what's that saying you know before an arrow can shoot forward you have to pull it back or you know if you want to have a good running start to you know give yourself some space it's the same thing here like if you dedicate even if you just dedicated three months just three months if you said to yourself okay for the next three months I may lose some strength in the gym and I'm going to tell you something right now very few people are going to really change dramatically how their body looks unless you're at a super high level so most people if you did three months of pure mobility and correctional work the average person is going to look at you and think you look the same so don't worry about if you dedicate three months and you can say I'm going to sacrifice the next three months to focusing on improved movement optimizing my mobility and my movement and recruitment patterns and then you go back and start training like you used to and slowly ease into it watch where you're at in six months to a year well I would blow your mind I would say too that you live in prime pro but I also think that prime would also be a great fortifications fortifications sessions would be how you would progress prime pro or to compliment prime pro so prime pro is basically the assessment test see it piece right it's been a while since we talked about it what exactly is prime pro and prime pro is basically we are addressing every major joint in your body and then we're looking at it we give you a test and then we give you movements to improve improve upon that right yeah well that's just those movements to approve on that well then you have fortification sessions that we have within maps prime and those are designed to solidify those good patterns and movements are actually actually work out so if you were still going to lift weights what type of exercises that you should do that's going to compliment your posture and get you and get you into better better posture so here's what I recommend to to some of the clients that I work with with because here's there's an order of things when you start working out you definitely need to work on optimizing your movement patterns before you focus on building you know big strength and muscle you got to opt because it's like we got to we got to learn the right way to you know utilize your mechanics and like what it even looks like first in order to then add load and really focus on building strength in that movement if you're already telling us that you noticeably have bad form going into these lifts like it takes practice but you're not going to keep practicing a lift that you already have bad mechanics in like that doesn't make any sense get it right first and whatever that takes and then keep practicing it I know lots of people like this lots of lifters who you know some of them are very well known and they're very strong and they'll do these lifts and their power lifters or they work out all the time and they they aren't moving optimally and it goes you know one injury then it's another injury then it's another injury and it's like one after another after another and at some point you have to ask yourself like okay you know first off the injuries are going to set you back way more than three months of correctional exercise so think that to yourself do you think correctional exercise going to set you back more than hurting yourself definitely not I promise you hurting yourself is going to is going to do much more damage then then just taking a few steps back with your intensity and your weight and focusing on optimizing your movement but here's what I recommend to some of the clients I work with when they start with me I have amuse prime pro based on movement defunct dysfunction the joints that they've identified but then I tell them to do the fortification sessions in prime and here's how I I organize it if they're not advanced if they're beginners and they haven't worked out a lot I'll have them do zone one on Monday zone two on Wednesday and zone three on Friday and then prime pros you know every day you know once or twice a day for the advanced people I have them alternate zone one two and three every every day except for Sunday so they go Monday zone one Tuesday zone three two Wednesday zone three and then they start over one two three Sunday off and then they repeat so they have more frequency more training you're not going to lose you'll actually you may actually build some muscle if you're doing fortification with prime you know I could see if you're somebody who's training weights three four times a week and then you stop weights completely to go to just prime pro but if you include if you include the fortification sessions inside of of prime I would argue that you could potentially even build some muscle on the way you definitely keep yourself in good condition and shape so that's the direction I would go next question is Cal Burton this one's more for Sal do you think the free market has contributed to America's obesity rates food companies are driven to make better tasting and more addictive foods to increase profits or the fuck is it just for Sal that's a well it doesn't matter the fuck is that just for he's the only one that cares about markets I guess apparently yeah obviously markets have contributed so yeah but what's the alternative to well here's a thing like there's no obesity problems in countries that are starving people don't typically die of obesity there they usually die of starvation here's the thing about markets that is it's a side effect of markets and it's not a negative side effect of markets it just amplifies the potential negatives of people and that's this when you give people the ability to have whatever they want you start to see you know all the all the the dysfunction that humans have right you start to see the indulgences and it has nothing to do with markets has everything to do with the fact that people just right I would never want that to stop man I because somebody else doesn't have self-control I would not want that to I wouldn't want my freedom to suffer my ability to say you know what fuck it I do want a piece of cake today I haven't had one a really long time I've earned it it's my fucking birthday whatever it is I want that like I wouldn't want to try and control that that be silly it's like it's like when we it's the same thing like when people complain about you know tabloid magazines or people will say oh there's too many liquor stores or whatever all the all these things do is they're just reflecting yeah ourselves to us it's a response on it obviously yeah it's where the ones driving it that way it's just a reflection and I think what happens with a lot of people is they get so angry with the reflection of the mirror to them that they think we need to impose laws to fix this when in reality the fixing lies in within each individual within each person so if you don't like here's like I'll give you guys a great example and I'm sure I'm gonna piss some people off and I hope I do with this one but you have celebrities like Leonardo DiCaprio who travels the world and talks about climate change and how he's so concerned about pollution and climate change meanwhile he's got a yacht that cruise on that yacht is gonna be a bigger carbon footprint than me you and Justin our whole life combined our entire life he has private jets he's got mansions he's got everything and so here's the thing when somebody says they care about something don't necessarily believe what they're saying believe it if you see what they're doing somebody who really gives a shit about the environment they do you you could tell what the way they live you could tell by how they drive you could tell by their home you could tell by the clothes they wear smell when somebody you smell organic if when somebody cares about you know obesity or whatever they're not trying to make everybody but force everybody else to do things you see how they live themselves and that's really the best you know telling thing but yeah free markets give people more choice to be themselves and that's just gonna highlight some of our you know the natural aspects of humanity it's like you know people complain about porn on the internet right you know we need to make laws to stop all this porn stop watching porn I mean I definitely think both those things I mean the porn thing I definitely think that the free market has contributed to but that's on us again and none of us would want that we throw the gasoline out there on top of that and you just threw in the porn thing just there at the last second there but that's the same thing too it's like we're seeing all these things happening right now we've speculated on that that porn one of the big culprits of why people fucking 20 year old guys can't get boners anymore but that doesn't mean that I would actually vote for porn hub being shut down like that's who am I to say that you know what I'm saying if there's somebody because you know what we don't know for the for the five people that it made them obese it could change somebody else's life for the five people that can't that can't get a heart anymore it changed some five of the people's marriages for the better like there's so many there's so many positive things so all these things that nobody talks about either so we always whatever whatever makes a better headline see the products that are emerging and the the change in grocery stores and the amount of organic products and you know sugar reduction and it's like it's just information to that that helps to combat and present new ideas which then you know people sort of banned around start buying products in a different direction and then that changes the market so it's it's a matter of us and the other thing collectively doing something different the other thing to consider and this may be a little esoteric but if we're trying to advance humanity and advancing humanity in a you know in a positive way right where we all grow we all grow independently society grows we learn things you have to give people the freedom to make those choices and learn those things and here's what's happening with obesity forever it wasn't even an option to eat as much as you want and eat everything and have and be able to find flavors and tastes that you just couldn't even imagine it just wasn't an option so people didn't really you know when it came to dealing with obesity that was like the ultra-rich that kind of had to deal with that the average person that wasn't something that they could grow over that wasn't something they even had to learn to control in fact if you know like our grandparents the generation of our grandparents and that's not that long ago by the way it's not even a blink of the eye our grandparents grew up during famines they grew up during times when there wasn't that much food which is why if you ever watch grandparents try and feed your grandkids or if you remember they try to shovel it in yeah it's like it's never gonna yeah like you might go in yeah true because it wasn't this now sunny you might not have it next year even though dude my grandma this is no joke my grandma would used to follow us around the house with food I believe it no fault she would have a bowl of pasta or whatever while we were playing she try and slip it in and she was so proud that she could oh look I made a meet another bowl of pasta and everybody was like oh my god you love him so much it's so great this was this is how that dysfunction was created from not having enough food so what's happening now well all of a sudden humans were in spent in western societies at least were introduced to lots of food lots of plenty and engineering around food to create all these different flavors and to make them have a long shelf life so people got fat people got sick people are still getting sick but we may actually be learning I'm I'm reading statistics now that show that millennials eat more vegetables and are far more health conscious than their parents I believe I think what's happened is now over the last few generations aware now people now are starting to realize oh this is something we need to be more aware of we need to pay attention to and we need to be serious about just your options to eat out now I mean look how much that's significantly changed God I was with Taylor just a couple days ago we're down in Palo Alto I mean we have some over here we eat at Luna all the time which is this fresh place that we get to eat that's really great you know got whole foods right around the corner and but man we go down to Palo Alto and it seems like almost every other spot is a healthy spin on like another joint that everyone was used to seeing for many years so I mean the market I mean we're we're definitely responding I definitely think that like anything else the pendulum swings really hard one way and then we start to learn from right we learn from it's like oh there's problems if we go that far it's it's in our nature it's in our human nature to press these boundaries to stretch to how we learn it is how we learn it's like we're not going to learn until like enough people die off like oh shit look lots of people are dying off it's time to go direction you should try something different it's really it's really how we do things when you look back at history at all the ways that how we how we figured out and then correct I mean and we're I believe that we're in a time of seeing a major correction with food and you see some brands that are already adopting and jumping on board you see new brands that are popping up becoming cool and yeah as a parent so when when I was a kid so my parent generation right parents didn't even think twice like if you took up if you had a bunch of kids and you're like oh I'm you know can I can we take your son can your son come over for dinner or we're going to enjoy ourselves and then they could give you like ice cream and candy and go crazy today if you did that parents might have a problem with that it wasn't like that when we were kids yeah do you guys remember what Halloween was like oh there's diets like kids coming over now like they're like well I can't have dairy I can't have any gluten I can't I'm like oh my god you're a pain in the ass really but you're like friends give over uh Timmy and Rachel are not allowed to come over so do you guys have a peanut allergy do you guys remember when we were kids though on Halloween yeah Halloween I would come home we were the only thing we were worried about Halloween was razor blades that's it like who was putting the razor blades there happened like one time some asshole ruined Halloween for everyone I actually think it was I think later on we found out it was like a big myth that but it was a big scare you remember that I know I know I my mom wouldn't let me eat the candy apples you know I'm saying no candy apples it was made in someone's the one fruit the one fruit don't eat the fruit eat the package but but it's true when I was a kid we would come home with a big old pill case full of candy and there were no limits like eat it you know as much as you want and when you're done you're done I was allowed to do that today today most parents give their kids limits for that kind of stuff so it's starting to change and look I want people to have the freedom to make as many choices as they possibly can grow themselves and whatever here's what I don't like don't make me pay for your bad decisions that's where we I have a problem so you know we're talking about the free market with food here's where the here's where the free market will start to get regulated with food when when we start paying other people's health care yeah and health bills that's how they're going to make the case to start to regulate food yeah and say well you can't eat this you can't eat that and then everyone's gonna be like yeah because I don't want to pay your bill and then that's a that's a whole another conversation that's a whole other problem next question is from Katie Gassman any suggestions on getting over the fear of starting a new business I've been planning my own business around fitness and self-love specifically designed for women but I'm afraid of judgment from peers get comfortable with fear and failure embrace it get comfortable with that I mean I think that I think success is just a series of lots and lots of failures that you've learned to get comfortable with and I think the more you I think too many people that go into something and they they put all their eggs in a basket they they have this brilliant idea and it's there's this fear to jump into it because it's got to make it like why does it have to make it like what if it doesn't and I'm not saying have the attitude like start a business with the idea that oh it'll probably fail I'm not saying give up on it but be okay with that that's that's a very real possibility I mean when we started this up as brilliant of an idea as we all thought it was going to be very much so I in the back of my mind I was okay with the fact that it could fail what did that look like did it did that mean it was going to ruin my life did it mean I had to stop did it mean that business wouldn't go on did it mean that I couldn't be successful still no in fact what it probably meant was that I'm going to try something I've never tried in my life before and I'm going to learn something from it and hopefully I learn and I'm successful and I make some money along the way but there is a potential that I won't and in fact I'm probably going to fail a ton of times before I finally get to that one where I'm going to I mean the success rate is so low in entrepreneurship that it's it would be silly for us to try and find the perfect idea it's a much better strategy to go after these things that you feel passionate about it be okay with the fact that you're going to fail in it yeah passion will keep driving you through all those those blocks in the in those those times where things are challenging and difficult and yeah you honestly if you just immerse yourself as long as you're passionate in that direction you can see yourself long term in in that general area allow flexibility allow yourself to understand that you know it may change completely your your idea is going to change completely from what it starts with so don't put too much too much time and effort in the perfect plan going into it like literally less is more because going in knowing that you're going to suck in and it's it's even though you're going to try really hard to not suck every day going forward is going to be an improvement and so that's that's really how I kind of look at things when I start a business I don't think so the fear of starting a new business I don't think is the biggest problem with entrepreneurs I think the biggest problem because there's a lot of people that you'll talk to and you'll say hey have you ever tried being an entrepreneur starting a new business and a lot of people actually a large percentage of people say oh yeah one time I tried this thing but it didn't work I think the biggest obstacle for entrepreneurs is when they try hard and then they fail and then they're scared and they never want to try again and and let me tell you something it's it's actually quite rare somebody succeed the first time I've never met anybody that they treat I've met a lot and I met a lot of millionaires okay in my lifetime and had the opportunity to train them to hang out with them to be around them in my life what do they all have in common and one of the things that they all have in common is they have they've all failed more than I have failed you know and that was what always kept me going built up their armor well that's what always kept me going as I'm going through in business after business and and I would like to think that a lot of mine were pretty successful so I'm looking at these guys that have got millions and millions of dollars and seem like man I want to be at that level at one point and when I'd ask them their failures like oh I mean they could sit there and talk to me for hours about all the things that they didn't come to or all the things hundreds of millions of dollars they lost I mean how many times have you heard this from a multi-millionaire like oh yeah I filed bankruptcy twice or three times like super common very common that's more common than hearing someone go like oh yeah just great idea hit it at the park like never never heard that nobody has ever said I thought I'd do this fitness idea it was fucking brilliant we put it together we executed I'm a millionaire like never heard that here's some statistics okay the founder of Pandora approached investors 300 times before he got funding 300 300 Sylvester Stallone was rejected 1500 times before he sold the script Rocky Thomas Edison created 10,000 failed prototypes before he created the electric bulb Dyson the vacuum cleaner 5126 failed prototypes I mean we can go I can read I could find statistics like this all day long that's the shit that ah that fuels me listen I love hearing that think about it this way this was told me when I very first got into the fitness business and I had mentors you know these are people that I looked up to and would try and follow and I learned they told I heard this one thing and it just stuck with me because it made so much sense and it's this it's like I remember years ago like my mentor told me business is like playing baseball I'm like what are you talking about it goes well right over your head you're like try another analogy alright I'm out so baseball is like it's like baseball you're you're gonna you're gonna get things pitched at you right 30% is considered good and and you're gonna swing at it and and you'll miss and you may hit one they said but the difference is life will pitch as many balls at you as you want so imagine if I'm at the I'm at you know I'm on a baseball diamond and I'm swinging at the ball I'm gonna swing at every ball and I'm gonna swing and swing and swing and swing until I finally hit one and eventually I probably will connect a statistic and it all right the crazy the crazy part is that the real good stuff is in failure the real good shit the growth the real learning the lessons that happens in failure that doesn't happen in coming up with a business idea and it working out it happens you don't learning about when you pour your heart into something you believe in something and then you prove wrong and then it didn't work out the way you thought or got frustrated or you might have found out you don't like it like oh man I thought I'd really like doing this fuck this sucks not for me you know I remember when I started the the mobile car detailing business that was a brilliant idea right it was so brilliant and I still think it was pretty damn brilliant you know because I think there's we live in an area we live in the silicon valley there's a lot of money and stuff like that a lot of people that just want to get their car washed wherever they're working they want to go to the car thinking like I want to make this much money oh totally right mind you I'm also working a full-time job already that's the part you're catching right right but in my head I'm going like okay and I'm I was acquiring somebody else's business who was moving on from it so I already had like a little bit of a customer base so I'm like in my head I'm going okay I'll make this much money off it's gonna cost me this much money so what what close me on doing it was I knew that I could get out of it and at least not lose money so that was a big thing for me it's like okay I like the idea I could see myself doing this the investment in it I can see myself making sure I ease even if I worked at myself on weekends I could at least make my money back and at least learn from it or it potentially could grow into something I staff it in terms of this big thing well what ended up happening was I was washing a lot of cars on the weekend you know I'm saying I was like blessing my ass washing a Hummer for three hours you know to make a couple hundred bucks just so I could keep this business afloat and it never got to the point where I was blessing out so much traffic that I could staff it with three or four people that could go out and run and do it all and it finally get to a point where it was like man I'm Robin Peter to pay Paul because I'm trying to get this business going but my other business is suffering that pays the bills and I finally said like this it's not what it was cracked up to be but I learned a lot I learned a lot about that and understanding that and how to look at a business and it builds tremendous character oh yeah are you kidding me I'm out there scrubbing the fucking time a six figure guy out there fucking on a Saturday when he could have often I'm fucking scrubbing grease off of wheels not to even make any real money that you're not above those things that's what it teaches every single time every single time I do something new and outside of my comfort zone I am it just it humbles you but in a way that is it is fulfilling it is rewarding it is like what I needed right like I need to know that about myself I can't have this can't float around being the fucking man all the time right and to address the the judgment from your peers fuck them cares if someone if you people that they're not going to understand you anyway most people don't have that mentality anyway somebody if you if somebody if people are judging you like that if they're pointing out your flaws if they're calling you names if they're making funny of you they're teasing you all those things are all reflections themselves so don't look at it like that if somebody takes the time out of their day to criticize something that you're doing what a fucking loser they are that's them they have their own issues and you got to look at it like that when somebody criticize me it's like really you slid in my dm's to talk shit to me like the time you took the time to do that I don't even know who you are like I'm I'm so busy doing shit I'm too busy failing and getting ahead in life that I don't even have time to worry about what the fuck your insecurities are and why you're coming at me like that so you know as far as judgment from peers like that should never knock and look here's the deal if you're if you're actually entrepreneur minded most people won't understand you anyway and here's the other thing when you tell somebody who isn't that in that same mindset and you say hey I have this business idea I want to start it and then they'll ask you questions and you'll tell them what you want to do and how much money it might cost and whatever and they may say to you I don't know man I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's gonna be good let me tell you something secretly they want you to fail now not because necessarily they're malicious it might not be because they don't like no because they're scared themselves because they're not doing it you're why would you do they want to be proved right right because here's how a lot of people live their life a lot of people live their life and they're you know they're kind of unhappy with their lives and their jobs it's not really fulfilling they had all these dreams but they didn't do them and the way that they comfort themselves as they say well I made the safe the right decision this is what I should do I have everything I need and this is all good but then when somebody else goes and takes a risk oh shit if they succeed does that mean that I make the wrong decision could I have done it is the reason why I didn't take those leaps because I was scared not because I was being logical like they don't like that and if they see you fail they make them happy not because they like seeing you fail necessarily but because now it proves to them like okay cool it is impossible I'm so glad I never took that chance or I'm so glad I never you know you know stepped out of my comfort zone so when it comes to your peers I tell you what I got used to it a long time ago like some people a lot of people think I'm crazy do another thing yeah thousand do this you know he's got whatever right it's just okay whatever not a big deal watch here anymore watch me next question is from mdx strength why do CrossFit women develop a trunk rather than an hourglass waist shape I enjoy CrossFit but I'm not liking the trunk ish development this is good this is actually a good point you don't like the obliques well there's there's a couple reasons one you know CrossFit is so antibody builder that they've neglected to do some of these movements that helps sculpt a shapely you know excite looking physique I mean how many times have you ever walked into CrossFit gym and seen people doing bench press and bicep curls yeah like yeah but it would you think it helps to have a symmetrical physique by doing bicep curls and fucking chest press absolutely it fucking does so you're neglected there and then if you do a lot of heavy squatting heavy dead lifting and a lot of these power type movements you're going to develop a waist a trunk a powerful one yeah and so and I don't find that unattractive right some people but I get I get if you're a woman and you and you already genetically might have kind of a boxier type of hips or you're kind of got a that it may exaggerate that look and you may not like I think I think that might play a role but I think that plays a really small role you know what I think is happening here I think that there's a bit of self-selection bias going on when you're maybe not self-selection but there's a bias going on because you're good at it well when you look at cross top CrossFit athletes the top ones are the ones that have the genetics they have the build the natural build and then of course the training on top of it but yeah do you pull up top three female CrossFitters in the images because you're right they're all going to have the boxies you're not look there's a deal of the classic the classic hourglass you know wide hips small waist you know that's a big kidney competitor but that's but that's not the best natural body for sports it just isn't no it's not it's not a super lean physique anyway it's why it's why those girls tend to gravitate towards a sport like that because it's most conducive for their for their body that's who I was looking for she's a top the top chick she's going to click on a full image of her body like and you can see how how boxy her well here's the thing like okay if you look at if you look at men and women and how we naturally look and how we evolved men this is you know you can't really debate this anymore it's pretty accepted right men evolved to hunt we evolved to do lots of physical movement were physically naturally stronger than women are women evolved a little bit differently evolved probably to gather raised young be able to have a child all these different things right so our bodies kind of reflect that so women for example store body fat in their lower body men tend to store body fat and they're in their trunk why why is that the case well the the total accepted theory is that if you are a pregnant woman having a lower center of gravity is going to make you make it easier for you to move and function for a man we need to have our limbs be free we need to have legs that are that are that can move and arms that can move and so we are going to store body fat we're going to store it in our midsection and and this just makes it just better for athletics because it gets out of the way of your limbs from moving so people who tend to succeed at super high performance type sports tend to exemplify this a little bit so if you look at top female athletes in a lot of different types of sports especially ones that require lots of strength they typically will have more narrow hips they tend to have you know boxier waist and it just lends itself well to you know and you even actually even find female athletes at that level tend to store more body fat in their midsection I can argue too though that's a lot of the movements that are in CrossFit are going to exaggerate that they're all super functional gross motor movement if you if you're doing a squat an overhead squat and if you don't think that's going to build your core your obliques more than just doing a standard back squat or a front squat or a movement like that or you're doing a lot of these Olympic type lifts you're going to have a pronounced core oblique area which is totally finding cool I think it's awesome but some women don't want that look I mean how many times you guys train a client I've had clients telling me I don't want abs I just want a flat tummy and I want hips and I want that hour glasses yeah I've had someone complain about their traps like being too big as we've been like getting like more serious into weight lifting sometimes like the propensity the genetic propensity for you know a couple of my clients it was like they're starting to really build and develop traps as a result right I don't like this is this really a you know here's a thing though is this a problem it's no it's not a problem but I mean I think it's fair to address it for a person that here's the thing I think someone like this who asked a question like this gets in a crossfit because somebody told them that I understand there's more options well yeah it's not ideal for a physique body like if you're looking for the model look that's what you want you got to train in that direction yes you train you train a body to look a certain way like CrossFit was not designed like although and this is why I think questions like this and why I'm glad you picked this question whoever did is more more of my friends that I'm talking to that have been in CrossFit since beginning and are still still in it some of the things that they don't like is because CrossFit's getting so big it's inevitable they're starting to market towards the sex appeal and the look of course and so it's now it's moving away from the sport which it should be it should be stay and remain it's a fucking sport it's not but it's starting to move into the look of it and what's on TV dude and they want to sell right and so now what you're going to get you're going to get more women like this and men but potentially that are going to come into this sport wondering why their body doesn't look like this hourglass look well like I mean CrossFit wasn't designed to give you an hourglass look it was it was designed to be the fuck was it the fittest human in the world the fittest human in the world may not be what you think is the sexiest type of look for you an hourglass I mean that comes from preferred body fat storage small waist wider hips and then you develop your glutes I guess you could develop your shoulders bro let me tell you I have sculpted many bikini competitors that had kind of box I've done it with Katrina since we've been dating I've completely changed her physique now it doesn't mean I changed her genetics she already has boxier and she and she was a high level yes yes so and that's it that's it that's a good point because if she had the genetic hourglass she probably would not have been able to perform right at that level and when I got a hold of her and she finally let me do her programming her diet and everything I trained her to what I asked her I said well what do you want from me do you want to be able to perform like a basketball player like you played your whole life or do you want to look a certain way she's like well I have always hated my back my back looks all broad and I have these I have really wide wide hips and they're square and box they look like a box when I start lifting weights well it's because you're not lifting to sculpt your body so I've I've sculpted her body to give her as much of an hourglass as her her genetics will let her she's never going to look like me you know who's one of these fucking Instagram like a page who's got like a tiny little waist and hips or what I don't even know that's a good example but you know what I mean everyone's seen the Instagram model that looks more like a model doesn't look like a crossfitter those people have already have that those genetics but you can definitely sculpt the body it definitely reminds me of even when I was deliberately training to fit a certain physique for football for performance right and I mean my traps are huge I had no neck you know a big chest and just powerful core powerful legs and big arms fabulous glutes and then I would like go right into basketball and that did not do well for me like my arms got in the way right you know trying to dribble down trying to be more athletic and loose and I was not loose I was like super tight in my movement patterns and so the way that you move the way that you train obviously it's going to produce a result and so you have to just assess these things you know going into subscribing into a program like obviously like it's towards a specific direction even though they change it up all the time you don't know what the fuck is going on over there it's definitely more favors like the gross motor movement patterns and being more athletic so your body is going to look the part here's what I like though I do like that crossfit is putting forward female athletes that look strong no I want to go on record saying that like is I think we're all fans of women wanting to be strong and powerful yeah yeah no I mean that's that goes without saying it's a nice it's a nice offset but I want to go on record saying that I am with you I like it I got nothing wrong with it but I will say that I have had a lot of like bikini models yes sorry I've had a lot of clients me like I like that look if I give you the top three crossfit girls which we're looking at on the on the TV right now if I give you those three girls and then I give you the top three bikini models and I show them to you know 80% of my female clients want to look like the bikini models that don't have six pack rock hard abs or you know bulging shoulders or what that they don't they don't want that look for them which that eats their own that's okay so when I hear a question like that you know I think your your programming your training is not ideal you're going to I'm sorry but going to a crossfit if you want to shape and sculpt the body a certain way I don't care who tries to tell you this whatever crossfit friend or whatever oh my body looks great or I did this at crossfit like no if you're looking to sculpt the body it's just not ideal for that sorry you know and you know again the whole small waist and get your waist as small as possible functionally speaking it's terrible that's like the worst thing you could like a strong core and strong obliques are very important to protecting your spine allowing you move well unless you you have genetically wide waist anyway there is nothing wrong with developing your core at the most what are you gonna add a quarter inch to your waist a half an inch maybe if you can develop tons of muscle and I think you'll look better and be healthier this whole like it's been like this for a long time women used to wear corsets and now it's the screams and now guys are doing it it's like what are you guys doing I mean if you ask so stupid if you absolutely stream right if you absolutely love crossfit and you've got an incredible you know box owner or trainer you absolutely could do both I mean you could have you could have some what of a crossfit type of feel and routine but then be doing specific exercises to develop muscles on your body to give that illusion like I mean I used to talk to my bikini girls all the time like I can't make your butt look like Jennifer Lopez right I can't if you have a long origin insertion in the glute you tend to have this kind of longer flat looking butt so I can't change the origin insertion but what I can do is I can develop those hamstrings that you've completely neglected because you never fucking deadlift you never hamstring curl and I can develop those to give you a more pronounced hamstring which is going to look like it tucks underneath the butt and makes your butt look more bubbly and then I can start to hit parts of your glutes that you probably don't hit a lot of people don't target the glute me because we just don't it's just not we don't move in that plane very much that requires the need to get kick in as much so and that will start to push out the hips so there's little tricks of the trade that you can do to develop muscles on your body to create the illusion of a more hour glass but at the end of the day to next play the first roll for sure that's it that's it so check this out if you want to look at our episodes and see what we're talking about on a minute-by-minute basis that's in our show notes go to mind pump media dot com click on the tab go under podcast 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