Okay, thank you very much. So thanks very much for coming my presentations. I'm Yosuke Kobayashi from CIP project. So at the beginning of this, my presentations, so do you know what the sibling infrastructure platform is? So, raise your hand. Okay, some of them, you know this. If you go, our booth that's available outside, you can pick one Lego for you. So, at the beginning, I should say, our civilization runs on Linux. These systems run on Linux. But this is DevConf, so I should say, our civilization runs on Debian. And this red circle says all systems run on Debian. So, Debian controls turbines for power plant. And also, Debian controls industrial communications. And Debian doing broadcasting. And Debian doing ticket gating. So, this kind of stuff already runs on Debian. And this is just a part of products. So, which makes our civilization actually runs on Debian. This is a quite important stuff. So, why we choose Debian for such kind of system is, Debian, this is DevConf, you know, more than by myself. And Debian has a large community driven ecosystem. And the most important stuff is to ensure free software only in main. So, to make a product, we have to care about free software. We can use this kind of software for our products or not. So, we usually doing a lot of stuff to ensure the licenses and also other stuff. So, Debian has a legal team. And then, when we create our products, we use a lot of type of CPUs, not only x86, but also ARM or sometimes Power still using. So, Debian already supports a lot of kind of CPU architectures. And that's the reason why Debian also popular in embedded area. And then, from a civilian infrastructure systems perspective, long term support is important. And we also say, we already success to use Debian for several products. So, what we done to create products, we did a lot of stuff. We create a file system and also customers' kernels. And we ensure the performance and software updates or something like that. But after we create the product, we have to provide such kind of systems for a long time. So, which means we need a long-term support. And we can easy to say, we need to support very, very long time. There are one thing, power plant system. For power plant systems, as you know, when we use electricity, we rely on power plant. And once we create such kind of systems, we have to maintain at least 20 or sometimes 60 years. So, most of hardware is not able to survive 60 years, but 20 years might be OK. But during this period, we need to support software also. Sometimes we need to fix critical bugs and also critical security fixes. And I think now things change. So, industrial IoT, many persons think about industry IoT or IoT staffs. So, once this world is realized, many devices connected to internet but also connected to each other to optimize our infrastructure. In that case, we also need to consider to provide security management for all kind of devices which relate to infrastructure. So, the problem is this kind of systems has to survive for very long time, at least 10 years and sometimes 60 years. And this kind of maintenance effort currently doing by each company. But to do maintenance for each company is quite difficult for a long time. And the other problem is when we create products, we have to ensure the industrial grade. Industrial grade means it's robust and secure enough and reliable enough or something like that. But even we create the industrial grade, this is just one point, but technology changes a lot. So, we have to catch up the latest technology also. There are kind of dilemmas here. So, and every company also considering similar problems. That's why we consider to have a collaboration framework. So, we need to have our long-term maintenance and we also need to have industrial grade. So, we thought we can make it by collaborations. But collaboration means not just the company because we are using open source. So, collaboration with company and also open source community is quite important for us. So, that's why we need to do this, collaborating in the upstream community. This is the open source community. And civilian infrastructure platform is solution. But this is DevConf. When we create civilian infrastructure platform, we consider which upstream project is important. And Debian is for our upstream. So, CIP already decided Debian as a primary reference distribution. So, we try to create CIP software based on Debian. Between the CIP try to select packages from Debian package and CIP try to work with Debian community. So, there is a reason I already explained. What's CIP again? So, CIP try to create open source base layer. We call open source base layer as a minimal set of base set of libraries and utilities. And with CIP super long term supported kernel. This is a Linux kernel. And this part is a very minimal set of core components. So, we start from a very small and then extend it to fit many kind of use cases. But to fit the use cases, we consider it is quite difficult to do it by ourselves. So, that's why we try to collaborate with Debian. So, this is a concept of CIP base layer. And currently we have a very small set of the team. We have eight companies here. And we, yeah, each company have funding to CIP project. And from CIP project, we would like to contribute to open source communities. For example, Linux kernel is quite important set. And also Debian. So, we not just funding to project, we also try to contribute to something to the project. So, I would like to introduce what we did. So, we CIP started from April, yeah, 2016. And now it's two and a quarter years. So, this is a product life cycle. And this is a minimum 20 years. And CIP is now here. So, it's in early stage. But we already did a lot of stuff. We did this CIP kernel. And we also did this testing framework or something like that. So, in this timeline, every dot reflect some release. And every big one start to collaboration or something. So, from the bottom line, we have two dots with Debian. So, we actually try to contribute to Debian related projects. So, this is a scope of our activities. So, at the beginning of CIP project, we started to create super long term support kernel. We already tried, say, we at least support this kernel version more than 10 years. But when we create a Linux kernel, we also need to test. So, after that, we try to create a testing framework here and also extend it to the build systems. And the other concern is the real time. Real time performance is important for embedded systems, especially for controllers. So, when we create the controllers, each controller has to meet a deadline. That's why we need real time support. So, the first step is CIP SLTS kernel development. And CIP SLTS kernel maintenance period is 10 years and more. So, and official CIP kernel is already available on this URL. And currently, it's maintained by Ben Hatchin. He's here from Cosync. And, yeah. So, to create a CIP kernel, we allowed to backport from the upstream kernel. The reason why we allowed to backport is when we create a product, we need to have hardware support. So, mainly hardware support able to backport. But other steps, we have to be careful to backport it. Because if this kind of backport affect other kernel subsystems, it's quite difficult to maintain for 10 years. So, oops, sorry. So, sorry. So, in general, so out of trees is not allowed to backport. And also, porting to CIP kernel. So, the first CIP kernel is released on January 17th. And the latest one is released one month ago. And CIP kernel release every four to six weeks, which depends on the amount of relevant upstream patches. And CIP also try to review the patches on upstream. This I can skip. So, when we create a CIP kernel, we work with upstream projects. This is a kind of example, what we done. So, in left side, this is a patch review request from Grayclaw Hartman. He's currently maintaining 4.4 stable. And Bayhatching reviewed the patches. And he commented, this patch is not fixed back. This may cause a regressions. This kind of reviews by down via CIP. But currently are mainly maintained by Ben. So, this is an issue for us. Because only one person maintained one kernel. The person, if the person is not able to continue to maintain, we are not able to maintain for 10 years. So, CIP create a CIP kernel team. So, CIP kernel team structure is a CIP kernel team have a maintainer or a mentor. And the current team member work with mentor or maintainer to contribute to an upstream stable. And after, yeah, we, for example, review a patch. And that review result to submit a stable mentor team. We also backport to CIP kernel. So, this is what we are trying to do recently. So, that's why we have upstream fast policy. And this is a quite small character, sorry. I just try to make it a large, but still small. So, we already try to review the patches. So, some of the CIP kernel team member review the next kind of stable patches. And after we review the patches, we post the comment to the next stable mailing list. And after he posted the patches, Ben also review his comment. So, this kind of stuff, what currently we are trying to do and what we CIP kernel team doing that. So, there is some example we already done. And the next important stuff is when we decide next kernel version. CIP, first CIP kernel based on 4.4. And it's already maybe two years old, almost. But during the two years, there are many futures available in the mainline kernel. So, CIP try to consider to pick up the next kernel. So, we usually said the next CIP kernel will be this approximately two to three cycle. And now we try to pick up the next kernel versions. And I said CIP next SLTS kernel versions could be 4.20. 4.20 is not released yet. But already some information is available during the open-source summit in Japan in June, last month. And I also discussed with Gregor Hartman. And he said, next version, if everything goes fine, this version is next LTS kernel. So, next LTS means this version will be maintained by Gregor Hartman for at least two years. But then CIP would like to extend this support period to 10 years. So, by doing this kind of effort, we also think this is quite difficult by ourselves. And we would like to collaborate with other projects such as automotive-grade Linux or long-term support initiative and also Debian. Next Debian, last session, Chris Lam says, the software will fix maybe early next year. So, if the Debian kernel version also able to align that, we are quite easy to contribute to Debian projects and easy to collaborate with Debian projects. So, this is quite important for us to pick up the next kernel versions. And we also try to support real-time Linux. As I said, we mainly create controllers. And that controllers need to meet the deadlines. But unfortunately, real-time Linux is not mainline yet. So, we would like to accelerate the effort. And that's why we try to contribute to real-time Linux project. And we're actually doing that. CIP SLTS and real-time kernel is already available. And this is maintained by Daniel Wagner from ZMS. But he also doing 4.4 stable RT maintainers. So, he currently, he's coming from CIP. And he maintained both 4.4 stable RT and the 4.4 stable RT CIP kernel. Both of them. And CIP RT's first release was done in January this year. And after that, he continued to release. But the release cycle is not stable enough yet. So, I think the main reason was in January, as you know, Spectro and Meltdown is there. So, after that, it's quite difficult for him what will happen and what is the effect for real-time stuff. So, that's why, I think. This is the kernel part. And testing part, we created milestones. And at the beginning, we already created testing environment, which called the border disk. And then start to kernel testing. And current testing, we are doing a very basic test set which includes boot test and build test. But the other CIP members also try to do more complex tests. Not just LTP, but also other functional tests by created by members. So, this is the current status. And this picture is, yeah, actually, I said, this is the border disk. Border disk means, yeah, exactly border to disk. So, one single developer able to run tests on his board on disk. So, this is the concepts why we call the border disk. And border disk also based on the upstream open source project, which is a kernel CI.org and also Lava. So, it's already available on this website. And we already start to continue testing. And all test results is automatically available on the mailing list currently. But we also try to create some dashboards by using a kernel CI. But this is ongoing and not available. So, if you go to this URL, maybe you can find some, but sometimes disappear and back it. So, this is currently under development. So, I actually go to the next one. CIP core package means, so, as I said, CIP would like to create open source base layer. So, CIP core package means packages which includes our base layer and main core part. So, and as I said, Debian as a CIP primarily different distributions. When we select CIP core packages, we would like to pick up from Debian packages. Not only source code, but also sometimes binary. But to ensure the long-term support, Debian ATS project is quite important for us. So, CIP just joined a Debian ATS project as a partner level because, yeah, we would like to extend currently Debian ATS support five years. So, this is a five years, we think, this is a starting point for us. But at least we have to contribute to this five years. Then we also would like to, yeah, discuss how to extend this support period to 10 years or more. So, this is why we joined a Debian ATS project. This was just for these last months. So, before we joined the Debian ATS project, we also discussed with Debian ATS developers last DevConf. So, this DevConf, I also would like to discuss with the Debian ATS guys. So, this is an initial set of core packages, very small. But actually, when we correct the required package set, there are plenty of packages from CIP members. I can say at least 200. But 200 is still part of the old Debian distributions. But we have to careful to pick up such kind of packages because, for example, Java. I think Java is quite difficult to maintain for 10 years, I'm sure. But many enterprise persons want to use Java for a long time. But for embedded area, maybe we can skip or we have to say some limitations. But we have to care, have to be careful to pick up such kind of packages. So, this is the starting point. And CIP core package, we try to, we create CIP core. The difference between a CIP core package and CIP core is CIP core is a set of tools to build reference file systems. And currently, we are using Debian source code and CIP kernel to create a minimum file systems, which can be test on a testing environment. So, but a current CIP core based on not just a Debian binary packages, which means we build source code by using tools. So, there are some similar effort there, but these all three efforts are not directly connected with Debian, but all three projects using a Debian. For example, these two projects using a Debian binary to create a customized file systems. And this Debian project using a Debian source code to create a custom file systems. But why they want to use a Debian is they would like to use Debian binary or source code to get our security support from a Debian and Debian ATS project. So, but yeah, we also consider how to make more Debian friendly way. And they already start a joint project outside, currently outside CIP project, but this data update will be presented at this DevConf on August 4th at 3 p.m. So, if you are interested in this kind of effort, please go to this presentation. And we also would like to know the comment from Debian developers how we can collaborate and how we can make more Debian friendly way. But our requirement is we need to have a customized file systems. Sometimes we have to create 10 megabytes file systems. This kind of stuff also would like to do. But some other projects, it's easy to be able to use Debian binary packages. Just into the Debian binary packages to create 100 megabyte file systems, it's quite easy to do. But we also would like to use same way to create customized file systems. So, that's currently what they consider to do that. And in this project, they also try to create cross-compilerable Debian. And they are posting patches to Debian cross project. And that was done last month. And their patch set is already available on GitHub. So, yeah, we would like to contribute something to Debian project. And this is the difference between Debian current status and the CIP requirements. And at the beginning, we would like to have 10-year support. And we already started to, yeah, collaborate with Debian test project. And we also need to have customized file systems. So, that point of view, we try to post in our patches to Debian cross. And then we also need to have reproducibility here. So, I think a Debian related project, also a reproducible built project is running. So, this kind of effort also, thank you, important for us. So, we should consider how we able to collaborate with such kind of effort. And I think for open source license compliance efforts, currently Debian are also moving to Debian format, but still ongoing. And we already are doing a lot of reviews. And also, we have a review result. So, we try to contribute to this kind of result if no one are doing that. So, this kind, this is what we are able to contribute to Debian, I think. So, there are many staff standard discussions. Cyber security standard is maybe our next thing. This kind of standard is quite difficult to confirm for each company. But if we create one standard test set to ensure this kind of standard, it is more useful for Debian, not only just Debian, but also other open source project, easy to confirm with this kind of standard. So, this is kind of, yeah, we have to consider about that for next step. And maybe this is the year 2017 and also a lot. So, this is the time line. So, we did a lot of stuff. But we consider the relationship between CIP basically and open source project is important. And we created the CIP core here and the border test to testing the CIP kernel and the CIP kernel itself. So, we currently are already done this kind of report with open source community. So, and I think that Debian is bigger and more important for us, which means more important for our civilizations. So, this is what I would like to say in this presentation. So, I'd like to summarize my presentations. So, CIP currently focusing to maintain our kernel maintenance and also testing and core packages, security stuff. And the most important stuff is we would like to collaborate with Debian community to ensure our base layer. So, I'd like to conclude my presentations. Our civilizations run on Debian and contribution and also collaboration are essential things to realize open source base layer with Debian. Thank you very much. So, any questions? Please, any microphone? Thanks for the talk. This is really interesting. I have a question. What ordinary DD or somebody who just manages few packages can do for this? Because, okay, I assume that taking care of that packages are reproducible is important. Taking care that package have auto package test or something is important. Taking care that it can be built on different architectures. Anything else? Okay, so the answer is that make sure that it also cross views. Oh, make sure it's also cross views. It's also important. Maybe Mike is off. The question was, yeah, what is important for Debian developers? Oh, now it's my phone. Not just only, yeah, running on every architecture and able to build and keep updating and what other stuff. And he said cross building. So, thank you very much. Yeah, that's important. I overlook this in your interest to understand if you worry about what might be termed the free riding problem as in, so do you publish all the source code? Is there like a certification system so that, you know, to make sure that people sign up and pay? How does that work? Okay, our source code will publish everything. Excellent, excellent. I'm very glad to hear that. What? Very good. I thank you very much. Yeah. Do you have any like mechanism to try to encourage people to join and to effectively to help fund the development? That's a difficult question. Yeah, no, we are project able to join but then each contribution to directly to CIP is also welcome. But then, yeah, if the company wants to join CIP, they need some budget. But if open source project want to join CIP project, they don't require any budget. Right. And if I'm a company and I join and I have some budget, what do I get my money? I'm sorry to ask such difficult questions. Yeah, that's quite difficult. I'm not sure that's up to you, I think. Okay. The conventional answer, maybe, I don't know. I'm with the Zen project also. And the answer there is effectively influence. And that's not true. Oh, sorry to take it. The answer for the Zen project is influence, which I think many people consider quite important. So if you join the Zen project as a kind of corporate member, you get some kind of additional influence on how decisions are made. And people seem to really value that. And it seems valuable enough that they're willing to pay for that. I think from the CIP perspective, we have to consider which project is important. So if we consider this kind of, for example, the HTS project is quite important for CIP. But if other projects want to join a CIP, it's welcome, I think. But I'm not sure how to do that, sorry. Okay, thank you. So, one more? Can I take one more question? Oh, okay, five minutes, okay. Hello. What is the organizational structure of CIP? Is it a business, private business? Is it a software project? Is it a government consortium? CIP is hosted by Linux foundations. So CIP is one of the projects hosted by Linux foundations. So who makes decisions for CIP? CIP has two committees. One is a technical steering committee. And the other one is a governing board. And the governing board decides the project's directions. But the technical steering committee decides a technical decision. So the large companies that have money to give do they have more powerful say in the decision, technical decisions? Yeah. This whole company is a personal leader, as you can imagine. This company have more power to decide something. But currently, all members, we are very small project and we are going the same way. So easy to say something in technical steering committee. And we can easily agree to something. Do you find that these companies are fairly open in giving their code back upstream to Debian? Does the code that they use from Debian, when they change it, do they give back to Debian? Of course, we would like to do. Because if we change, for example, Debian packages, we have to give it back to Debian. But if we change the upstream project, which is using by Debian, we try to contribute upstream first. Then that code will be back to the Debian automatically. So this is what we want to do. Okay, thank you. I think that was part of the question that was being asked before. Okay. Any questions? Do you do any certification for Linux kernel for safety integrity that you can share with community? Safety integrity in the... Still, safety integrity level? Yeah. We haven't tried to certify it by using the CIP base layer. But we know, yeah, safety integrity level is quite important for many kind of projects. Not only CIP related tasks, but also car manufacturing. But currently, I think functional safety staffs are currently doing by Osado in Europe. And yeah. So we have to consider how to collaborate with them. And we already are discussing with, for example, car manufacturing companies, and what they are doing. But we still not have a concrete plan to produce something yet. Okay, thank you. And thanks for sponsoring DevConf and coming here and showing us all this. Oh, thank you very much. And thank you very much.


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I actually want to come to one place instead of actually with my department head responsibilities. Every one of our department heads in the College of Ag does have a small extension appointment. So I actually can have a license to come out and do this kind of work yet, and I appreciate that. So it seems like my calendar gets pretty full with a lot of other stuff nowadays, but I enjoy the opportunity to come out and do these sort of things and visit with folks. So what Carl and the organizing committee asked me to visit with you about this morning is talk a little bit more about some of the other co-products that we have in the state, their nutritive values and that sort of thing. I did want to follow up just a little bit on Dick's question that he had relative to conception rates. Most of the questions that come from high protein diets and conception rates, Dick, are in the literature with the dairy industry, particularly with dairy heifers. And there is data that does say that once you get up to 22%, 23% crude protein levels in the diet, that you do run into some conception rate issues. And basically what happens, at least in the dairy literature, is that those high protein levels, because of the way the protein is metabolized, no longer used as a protein source or amino acid but actually used as an energy source, it ends up creating excess levels of urea in the bloodstream and that actually, the urea, actually has some negative effects in the uterus relative to the attachment of the embryo in the uterus. So you'd have to supplement an awful lot of the fillers in most of our typical forage diets for beef cows or beef heifers before we'd approach those kind of levels of crude protein in the diet. But there is some indication that you can't have problems. And so if you're on a high quality forage and you were trying to supplement some additional fillers, that's probably where you might see the problem if it was going to develop. But in most cases of the beef industry, I think it's fairly low likelihood that you'd ever have those kind of issues developed. So what I'm going to talk about today, this morning for the next half hour or so, is a little bit on what makes a co-product or a byproduct a byproduct. Why is it that way? We'll talk about some of the more common byproducts that are available. Things like wheat, mids, potato waste, sugar beet pulp and associated byproducts, and just a little bit on some of the oil seed meals. So that's a brief outline of what we're going to cover. So why is it a byproduct? And I think to understand the nutritive value of these sort of processing co-products and stuff that's out there, you really got to take a little bit of time and step back and understand what the processing company or the processor is trying to get out of those products. So with the ethanol industry, what an ethanol producer like Carlson that you turn this morning is interested in is taking that starch that's in corn and turning it into ethanol. And so if you understand what the processor is trying to get out of their product or taking out of their stream, you can understand a little bit better what some of the characteristics of the products that you're dealing with as a byproduct might be like. So are they interested in the starch? Are they interested in getting the oil out in the case of oil seed meals? Are they interested in some of the fraction? The remaining product that you end up with is usually marketed as livestock feed. The other thing you have to understand is what's being added back. Are there other physical or chemical processes that that product is undergoing? What's being added back into that stream? In the case of the stiller's grains, then understanding that that sulfur is used in that process or added to the fermentation vats to control the pH. So you know that there's going to be some extra sulfur in those byproducts, aside from what the corn originally had in it. So I think if you understand that process and understand a little bit about the physical processes, the chemical processes that those products undergo, you'll have a little better appreciation for what some of the nutrient profiles that you might expect to see actually be in there. So if we just take an example of, let's just use the frozen potato industry. So if you are working with a potato processor in Grand Forks or Jamestown or Park Rapids and they're producing some kind of frozen potato products, could be French fries or hash browns or whatever. In that process, the physical processes that they use to do that is a process called steam peeling where they actually use steam to help remove the peel from that potato. The processor is going to cull some of those potatoes that come into that plant because of size, because of quality assurance concerns. Maybe they've got some sort of quality defect that they're going to throw them out for. And they're also going to add back in most cases products that are rejected. Once the product goes through the slicer to make potato products like French fries, they've got machinery and so on in place to look for quality control relative to fry length, blemishes on the fries, et cetera. And those products typically end up in the byproduct stream as well. So if you understand what the processor is doing and the processes that they're using to get to their food product or industrial product, you'll understand a little bit better what might end up in your byproduct stream. So let's talk a little bit about some of these specific products. So wheat mids is probably one of the more common ones, aside from the ethanol co-products in the state of North Dakota. And wheat midlings is basically a co-product that results from the processing of either flour or wheat spring wheat into flour or durum into semolina. And what you typically have in those products is wheat bran, the germ, and some of the residual starch depending on how they're milling it that remains there. Those products are available year-round. In some of these cases that we're going to talk about some of these byproducts are available only seasonally. Wheat mids are available throughout the year. They're usually pretty competitively priced. The majority of those products are shipped out of state. So this is a dry byproduct, about 85-88% dry matter, about 12-15% moisture. So they're pretty easily shipped in rail cars or trucks to job-state locations. Typically, this byproduct is pelleted, but you will run into a couple of plants. And Grand Forks is one example of the St. Mill and Elevator where you can get them loose, what they call bulk. They're usually pelleted because you increase the density enough where it makes a more competitive cost-effective to ship. And so the bulk product that you get that wouldn't be pelleted, typically you can't get an entire semi-load or a 40,000-pound load on a semi because you're dealing with too much volume. So generally, if you're going to transport them any distance, you really want to look at the pelleted type product. A typical protein would be 18-19%. The average out of our laboratory, when I was doing a lot of extension programming in this area, was about 18.7% per protein. Energy-wise, if you want to talk it on a TDN basis, typically it's going to be right around 80%, which is less than corn and less than barley. So they're less energy dense feed. They're a little more fibrous. Very palatable. They work well in a variety of different types of feeding situations. Generally speaking, you're going to see them used probably a little bit more in terms of use in forage-based diets that you would in a feedlot diet. There's a number of processors in the state that you can get these from, and this is just a list of names and whole numbers if you want to call about availability. That's where you'd go. Because of some of the seasonal price swings that occur, generally speaking, the price for this product is going to be lower during the summer than it is any other time of year. That's when demand for these is generally the lowest. Consequently, the price is typically the lowest during the summer, and so if you can lay them in in the summertime, they're generally going to be a little bit more cost effective. However, because of some of the moisture issues that you have with them, you're going to have a product that's about 85% dry matter, about 15% moisture. You're best off either storing these in flat storage like a commodity shed or in some type of aerated bin where you can get a little air under them and draw that moisture level down just a bit to get them to store long-term. Otherwise, you're going to end up with some mold development with these products. So in feedlot diets, my experience has been as working with producers that are feeding these in backgrounding and growing calf diets, they work very well as a complement to your grain sources. So barley, corn, those sort of things, wheat mids make a nice complement to those in a backgrounding situation. You can feed them up to your gain goals. Typically, I would say the limit would be no more than 10 pounds per head per day. My experience with them was once you get up in that 7, 8, 9 pound range, you tend to start to decrease or get poorer feed conversions with those because of the fibrous nature of those products. You can self-feed them, and so you can use them in creek feeders, creek feeding diets for calves and pasture, also self-feeders for backgrounding calves. Feed conversion efficiency isn't great when you do it that way, but it does make it a pretty simple way to feed them. In the finishing diet, again, they're probably going to be used mainly as a protein and fiber source, replace some part of the roughage in the feedlot diet. I would generally recommend no more than about 15 to 20% on the top end in a finishing diet just because the more you feed, the poorer your feed conversion efficiency is going to be. So there's probably an upper limit in that 15 to 20% range for that unless you can get them bought at very cost effectively. Let's talk a little bit about the potato processing co-products. So these products are going to come primarily from frozen potato product manufacturing plants. So plants that are going to be cut in French fries, hash browns, potato cuts, those sort of things. Almost all of this product in those plants is going to be a steam peeling process that's used to take the peel off of those potatoes. So generally, your product stream is going to vary a little bit depending on what type of product they're making, but essentially you're going to have the peel, the discarded potatoes, any of the product that gets rejected off the line. So short fries, fries with blemishes in them, all those sort of things typically end up in this byproduct stream. It's been my experience that depending on the plant you go to, there's a little bit of difference in the moisture level of the product that you actually end up with. And so with the product out of Grand Forks, there's plenty of people here in the audience that got a lot more experience feeding that than I ever will have in my lifetime. But generally speaking, that product is high in moisture. Our analysis of that plant's products over the years has been in that 85 to 87% moisture range. The plant out of Jamestown uses a little different process to get some of the moisture out. They have some centrifuging equipment that removes some of that moisture. Their product is down in that 70 to 75% moisture range. But again, all of it is going to be very wet product. And the challenge with any of the wet byproducts, particularly with products that are this wet, is with lethal fuel hovering around four bucks a gallon, transportation long distances becomes an issue. The product typically is going to, like I said, contain things like the peel, some of the residual starch, reject fries, small potatoes, that sort of thing that you're going to have with that. Our general recommendation, if you look at most of the data that's out there with some of the work that we've done, that Carrington's done, somewhere in a finishing diet, probably 15% of the diet or so is probably the upper limit in terms of before you start to really impact feed efficiency and performance. And most of this product is going to be stored either on a slab or in some kind of bunker. Generally speaking, either an earthen bunker or a concrete bunker. But we'll get into the storage issues a little bit more this afternoon. On the sugar beet byproducts, those products in this part of the world are going to be available through American Crystal Sugar, their five plants in the valley here, plus the Mindak plant at Wapiton. Most of that product is brokered by a company called Midwest Agra that's based out of California. But they handle all the brokering for the molasses, for the sugar beet byproducts that come out of these plants. They also handle, because of Crystal's relationship now, with Sydney sugars at Sydney, Montana, brokerage on that product out of Sydney as well. The beet pulp is a nice product to feed because it's a highly digestible fiber source. It's a product that's not going to cause you any acidosis issues because it lacks the starch. It's low in protein relative to some of these other byproducts. Only about 9% fruit protein, so it's not going to be a product that you're going to buy as used as a protein supplement. In our experience in working with producers that are using quite a bit of this product, it works pretty nicely in backgrounding rations as a replacement for corn silage or about that kind of energy ballpark that you'd have with this type of byproduct. And you can replace some of the roughage in a forage in a finishing diet with the sugar beet pulp. And so you can use it kind of depending on the type of diet you're feeding, either as an energy source or in more of a replacement for the roughage in some of your finishing diets. Generally speaking, you can get this product either as a dry pellet or as wet shreds. This is some research that we did with the product back in the late 90s. Two graphs here, the one on your left would be diets where we went from 0, 20, 40% of the diet in backgrounding calves without the addition of concentrated separator byproduct. And the graph on your right would be diets where we added 10% of the diet as concentrated separator byproduct, which is basically the de-sugar molasses that American Crystal produces. And you can see that as you increase levels here, that average yearly gain decreases in these growing diets. And the reason is because of that bulky nature of that product, it's highly fibrous. It's going to make the cattle feel a little bit fuller and they don't eat as much. And so when you go to these kind of levels, dry matter intake typically drops, feed conversion efficiency gets a little bit poor, but they kind of fill up on it and it's pretty bulky. But you can maintain, I would say, acceptable level of performance up to 20% of the diet dry matter is beet pulp. Going to 40% here is probably questionable unless you can get it bought really cost-competitively. And again, that was with the wet shreds. So like I said, you can get it as dry pellets or wet shreds, but the wet product is typically 70 to 75% water. Some cases a little bit wetter than that depending on how their machinery is operating at the plant to get some of the water squeezed out of this. Again, because of the moisture content of it, you really got to look carefully at transportation costs. But I do know this winter, these plants were moving loads of this product all the way out from the Redder Valley into the Mandan-Bismarck area. So they were taking it quite a ways, even at $4 diesel fuel. We've got experience storing this, the wet shreds in silage bags. So getting it in late in the season, they end the processing campaign, typically April-May. We would get this product in and put it in ag bags, plastic silage bags, and store it through the summer. For some of our research, it worked pretty well. But you're probably going to end up with a cost of five to six bucks a ton with that storage in the ag bags. And so you got to consider that into the equation as well. The Pellet product stores really well in flat storage, commodity shed type storage. Pretty easy to store it that way. So I want to comment just a little bit on sugar beet tailings because that's another byproduct that's coming out of these sugar beet processing plants. So this is a product where the plant is basically kind of screening the beets as they come in. The small beets, the dirt, all the other junk that comes in on the truck is going to get rejected and put in the tailings. So moisture content, extremely variable here, but we've seen samples come through our laboratory upwards of 85% moisture. So again, if you're looking at transportation costs, you're looking at a pretty expensive bill if you start moving this kind of product very far. High in dirt, high in soil, most sort of things essentially are diluting the energy value in the nutrient content of the product that you're getting. Good tailings ones that don't have a lot of dirt contamination in them probably are comparable to corn silage in terms of feeding value. Products that got a lot of dirt in them, loads that are pretty trashy, you're going to simply dilute that energy content and you're essentially filling those cattle up with soil instead of something that's got some nutrition to it. One comment I'd make is kind of watch out for occasionally you're going to see cases of hardware disease because of wire or other metal objects that come in out of a field, end up in the tailings product. It's just something to kind of watch out for. The other thing that occasionally happens is cattle want to try to swallow these smaller beets and so occasionally in tailings you're going to get beets that are anywhere from an inch to two or three inches in diameter. They want to try to swallow those whole and when they do that you get a choke issue with them. So it's just something to kind of be aware of if you're dealing with that type of byproduct. Okay, whole sugar beets is another one that occasionally comes up either in the fall when these cooperatives are kind of deciding how many beets are going to harvest if they've had like the last couple years record crops.  Are we going to just sum down? We've had worked with people in the past throughout the years that have taken in whole beets either in the fall or got whole beets out of storage piles where they started to go bad and crystals went in and tried to clean out some of the hot spots in their storage piles. Those products typically have a higher energy value than beet pulp do because the beet itself is going to contain about 18 to 20% sugar plus the associated pulp and water. And so when you're getting the whole sugar beet you're getting that sugar in there as well which is an energy source for those room and microbes. And so we've worked with people that are feeding those to cattle. Similar protein to beet pulp, so about 9% protein or so. Our best recommendation is to chop them prior to feeding but I've seen people just take them out there and dump them on fields and let cattle kind of go in and graze these whole sugar beets. You end up with some choke problems with that as well. And they can be in soil, so if you're looking at long-term storage here on something like this you can chop them in like a hay buster and then mix them with some other drive-by products or grains and pack them into a silage pile. And because of the sugar content they'll ferment very nicely and make a pretty nice silage with those whole sugar beets. But again, every step of that process between transportation and grinding and then packing into a pile, you're adding cost. You're associating more cost to the fuel and so on to do that. But there are ways to store those. I want to talk just a little bit about the wet corn milling process. Gailen mentioned this a little bit but I'll talk a little bit about the process that Lopatin uses to produce high-fructose corn syrup. And essentially in wet milling what they're after, again, is the corn starch. But in this case, typically they're using it for food-grade production. In the case of cargo corn milling at Lopatin, they're producing high-fructose corn syrup or in some cases starch. But the starch that they're using is either going to go on the industrial side to produce some kind of corn polymer or produce ethanol. But corn gluten feed is one of the byproducts that occurs or results from what they call wet corn milling. And it's made up of a byproduct called corn-steep liquor, which is the steep water that corn was soaked in prior to milling. And the corn bran or the outer covering, the fibrous covering of the corn kernel, what typically happens in these wet milling plants is that corn is soaked in sulfurous acid for anywhere from 48 to 96 hours. And then it's milled. So whole corn is soaked in this mixture of water and acid.  It peels the corn fiber off of the hull. That goes into the byproduct stream. They extract the starch. And then the soak water or the steep liquor that the corn soaked in contains some of the soluble nutrients that came out of the corn kernel, plus the sulfur that they added to help the process. And that ends up getting put back on the corn bran and so you have this product called corn gluten feed. Corn gluten meal is a high protein meal that comes out of the corn protein, the zane protein that's contained in the corn kernel. That ends up in pet food and poultry applications. And corn germ meal is the corn germ. So it's that part of the seed coat that could contain the sprout if it was sprouted. That ends up getting typically added back to the corn gluten feed. Sometimes it's sold separately as a separate byproduct. So one bushel of corn going through one of these wet mills like at Lopiton is going to produce about 31 and a half pounds of corn starch, about 13 and a half pounds of dried corn gluten feed or roughly 34 pounds of wet gluten feed, a couple of pounds of corn gluten meal and about 1.6 pounds of corn oil. So that's the byproduct yield. What is cattle feeders are really interested in this corn gluten feed and that's the byproduct that's going to come out of a plant like Lopiton. Generally speaking, it's going to be sold wet, about 60% moisture coming out of the Lopiton plant or if it's dried and pelleted, it's typically going to be 12 to 15% moisture. 21, 22% protein would be typical for this byproduct. Energy content varies a little bit depending on if it's wet or dried, but the wet product typically would be equal to corn in terms of energy, roughly 88% TDN in that ballpark. The dry product, because of the drying process, does create or changes the chemical profile of some of the fiber in that product. It's typically, you know, 83% TDN on the dry, so maybe a little bit more like barley would be in terms of feeding compared to corn. It's a pretty palatable product and it's available out of Cargill corn milling in Lopiton. One of the things that happens with this particular byproduct is that the dry pellets, when you get them in storage, can bridge and it can become a problem. So typically, best results for storage in the corn gluten feed would be to get it into some kind of flat commodity storage structure commodity bays, that sort of thing. 25% to 30% of the ration on a dry matter basis would be kind of the upper limit of what you want to feed to maintain equal performance with corn. And if you're going to have a lot of it in the ration and move it very far, you probably want to look at the transportation costs of the wet versus dry. Let's just briefly talk about some of these other co-products. So the barley malt sprouts and barley malt pellets would be a product that should get either out of bush, shager resources over in Moorhead or a lattice shag over in Spiritwood. Basically, what they're doing in those plants is taking those barley kernels and sprouting them, producing the malt, and then the product that remains is going to be the barley hull, the malt sprouts, screenings and thin barley that gets put back into that byproduct. Lower energy, typically about 74% TDN, so something in the neighborhood of what you'd consider kind of oats type of energy content, about 14.5% crude protein. A very palatable feed, a very safe feed to feed because of the fiber content. This is one feed where you're not going to be able to get cattle to overeat or get into acidosis issues with these pellets. And again, lattice and Spiritwood would be the major supplier also, bush, shager resources over here in Moorhead. The liquid goat products that are out there, at least here in the valley would be molasses from the sugar beet industry. Most of these liquids are going to be used primarily for a couple of purposes. One would be to control dust in the dry ration or to improve palatability or to add some other specific nutrients. Most of the plants here in the valley are no longer producing what we traditionally thought of as molasses. Most of them are now producing this product called de-sugar molasses, or in some circles you hear it referred to as concentrated separator byproduct, but essentially they're taking what was molasses, removing about half of the residual sugar, and you're left with a product that's lower in energy but higher in protein and higher in some of the minerals than what molasses was. And that's the silver solubles. Galen mentioned earlier is a byproduct of ethanol production. Then corn-steep liquor is a liquid byproduct that's occasionally marketed out of plants like nwapitin from the wet corn milling industry. Those products generally, like I said, are going to be used as some sort of ration conditioner, some sort of dust control agent in rations. We've covered that already. Briefly on the oil feed meals, there's a number of plants throughout the state that are processing things like canola, sunflowers, soybeans. Those type of products, they're after the oil, they're going to typically go through a mechanical process to squeeze some of the oil out, and then they're going to use hexane to solve and extract the remaining oil that's in the meal. And so typically with these products, you can end up with a residual meal that's going to be relatively high in protein, low in fat or oil, and generally speaking, you're going to have oil content down around one to two percent. And most of those products are going to be used in any kind of cow rations or feedlot rations as a protein supplement. With all of the ethanol byproducts that are available in the state now, my impression is you're seeing less demand for some of these kind of products because you're getting plenty of protein on the components of the rations. So we'll cover a few of them, more of the major ones just briefly. Sunflower meal, 38, 39 percent crude protein, relatively low energy content because of the sunflower hull is relatively indigestible. So the more hull they're putting back into this meal, the lower the energy content's going to be. 8 a.m. in Interland and Hargill and West Fargo would be your two main suppliers in this area. Canola meal, 35 percent plus crude protein typically, higher in energy than the sunflower meal is because the hull of canola is a little bit more indigestible. Sources here are going to be the Altona plant in Manitoba, 8 a.m. in Interland and Velva, and then Northwood Mills in Northwood is also producing this product. And then HALAC Minnesota has a biodiesel facility under construction there that's going to use canola. That'll be another major source of canola meal that'll come online here in the next year or so. Safflower meal is a minor product produced from a plant out in Culbertson, Montana. This side of the state typically don't see much of that product here, but it's about 25 percent crude protein. Soybean meal would be what we'd consider kind of the gold standard for oil seed meals. And the reason is because it's relatively low in fiber and its protein quality is excellent. And so for swine and poultry diets, soybean meal is really what they want to have. Primarily because it's got very good energy, very indigestible, and they're looking for specific amino acids in those diets or in cattle rations because of the rumen function and because the rumen is the microbial population is producing amino acids for the cow or the steer to use we're not as concerned about protein quality. So soybean meal is one that really gets almost exclusive use in the swine and poultry industry, very little use in most beef cattle diets. Soybean hull is the other byproduct though from soybean oil manufacturer that we've got an opportunity to use in beef cattle diets. And so this product would typically be about 80 percent TDS about 12 percent crude protein. Works pretty nicely in backgrounding diets as a component of a creep feed. Both sort of applications where you're looking for kind of a higher fiber but a highly digestible fiber type of supplement that might be used for beef cows in the winter as a way to stretch some forage or as a component of a backgrounding ration. The last one I'm going to cover is edible bean splits and so this would be things coming out of these bean plants from anything like kidneys, black turtles, all of those types of edible beans that you typically see going into human diets. The splits from those can be fed to cattle. You've got to watch, there's compounds in these edible beans called enzyme inhibitors and generally what happens is they interfere with digestion at the small intestine level and once you get about seven to 10 percent of that product in the diet you're going to start to see the cattle get very loose, get some cases of scouring and so my best recommendation is if you're going to use these keep it to 5 percent or less of the diet or go through the hassle of actually roasting them and heating them to the point where you inactivate those enzyme inhibitors but from a cost-effectiveness standpoint I think you're better off simply just doing the 5 percent level and kind of watching the stool consistency and seeing how they're doing on them but that is one product that is available out of Engelvale if you're looking for byproducts so Crane, I don't know what you want to do scheduling-wise or if you want to take some questions now or you want me to hold those but he's hungry so they want to get the meal. K.W. Schroeder, he's been some dairy specialists and every so often they put together an updated pricing list and availability of products from North Dakota and I think if there are a few Minnesota South Dakota plants on there as well as some contact information he puts this one out Carl Hoppe also puts out a list of very similar information so if you have any questions about that you can either visit with J.W. or with Carl here he will be here all day today so that's a good spot of a question for Dr. Lardy this morning. Just wondering why you've got the feeding amount limited to 15% or less. The recommendation we have on that team is based on not only our research but some of the research that was done in Idaho and Washington and typically what we saw was about 15% on a dry matter basis so you have to kind of take that into account with the moisture content of the product but once we got about 15% of the ration in our research and the research that was done in the Pacific Northwest you typically see average A to G and feed conversion efficiency get poorer and so we're simply making that recommendation based off of animal performance so that's what we're looking for. So one of the considerations is kind of what that product is costing you relative to corn or whatever other concentrate you're replacing with it and so I know there's a lot of folks that are feeding quite a bit more than that but based on the biology of the animal that's what our recommendation is simply based on performance and once we got about 15% we saw intakes drop that would probably be a component of that you know it also has a little different fermentation pattern than our feed grains do and so there's probably some things going on with hormonal fermentation that are also a player in that as well. The question is if we're feeding cows can we feed a higher level than 15% we haven't tested that in forage you know if you're thinking about as kind of a forage supplement or more of a cull cow feeding you know we did our work with some finishing hampers most of the other work that's been done the Pacific Northwest has been with finishing steers you know the biology of the cow like a white fat cow sort of feeding program probably isn't a whole lot different than what you'd see with a feedlot steer but again we didn't test it that way so I don't know if I can give you a clear answer on what would actually happen with folks here in the audience that got a lot of experience feeding cows and I know they feed a lot more of it than what our recommendation has historically been we'll talk, I'll show you a few pictures this afternoon of some of the storage methods and feeding methods I've observed over the years with that byproduct and you know there are definitely ways you can feed more of it but again my recommendation simply based off of the research we conducted here the question is are there some complementary effects of combining some of these byproducts with other byproducts in improving animal performance and the research that's been conducted I'm going to speak in generalities here because each one of those combinations is probably a little different topic to talk about but in the typical combinations that you see where you might have 10, 15% of the diet is wheat mids and maybe 10 to 15% of the diet is soy holes or something like that generally you get some complementarity between products like that because generally speaking you know a single byproduct is going to have some nutrient limitations it might be some sort of amino acid deficiency it might be something else that's kind of missing in that that doesn't really make it suitable to simply feed and so when you combine it with something else whether it's another byproduct or you're using it as a component in a fishing diet you typically see better performance with combinations than you would with a single byproduct up to the typical limit you probably can't feed 100% byproduct diet and expect to get the same performance as you would with a diet that would be conventional that you would be able to learn and supplement type diet but you know again speaking in some general terms relative to some of the research I've observed over the years when you look at diets that might be you know let's say we're going to say that we're going to feed 30% of our diets going to be byproduct based typically speaking you probably will get a little bit better performance in that scenario but if you're going to have a different version of wheat mids and soybean hulls for instance like with the back down the calves then you would if you went with all of one or the other of those products and again there is some complementarity with the ethanol byproducts so the distillers grains not a lot of research out through this test but you're dealing with a little different animal there because generally speaking you're getting better performance in the corn in those diets with wet distillers than you would be if you didn't have the byproduct in there so trying to find a way to complement that to get even better performance is what we did for corn


Hi guys and welcome back to my channel, thanks so much for tuning in. In today's video I will be comparing the original TGIN products to the newly released Miracle Repair RX line. So what's the big difference? Which one is better? For those of you who may be wondering how these products compare to each other or if the new line is better than the original, then this video is for you. So here I have some of the products from the original TGIN line and I also have some of the products from the Miracle Repair RX line. Aside from the fact that I only have a sample of the moisture-rich sulfate-free shampoo from the original TGIN line and the fact that the tops on both leave-in conditioners in both lines are a little different, the packaging is pretty much the same. The bottles and the jars pretty much look the same. So for this video I'll be comparing both of the shampoos from both lines, the hair mask, the leave-in conditioners and the daily moisturizers. And just to give a quick refresher of the claims of each of the products, starting with the claims of both of the shampoos from the original TGIN line and the Miracle Repair RX line, both of these products claims to cleanse, leave your hair soft and smooth, reduce breakage, increase moisture, smooths your hair cuticles and moisturizes your hair. The additional benefits of the Miracle Repair RX shampoo is that it heals damage, gives your hair shine and bouncy curls and reduces breakage and repairs damage. The product claims for both of the hair masks state that they restore dry damage and color-treated hair, improves shine and manageability, locks in moisture, repairs damage and reduces shedding and breakage. The additional benefit of the Honey Miracle Mask is that it controls frizz and conditions your hair. For both of the leave-in conditioners, both of these products claim they promote hair growth, leaves your hair soft, shiny and manageable, detangles your hair, reduces frizz and replenishes your hair's natural oils. The additional benefit that you get from the Miracle Repair RX leave-in conditioner is that it penetrates your hair's cuticles, adds definition and is lightweight. And lastly we have our daily moisturizing creams, the Buttercream and the Curl Food. The claims of these products state that they're hydrating, promotes hair growth, improves shine, softness, reduces frizz, and they're both made for styling. The only additional benefit that the Curl Food states is that it restores nutrients in your hair. So I've already done a product review on both of these lines and you can click the cards above in the link or you can look in the description box and just click the links there. Alright guys, so we're going to go ahead and get started on this video so that way I can see if there is a big significant difference between the original line and the new line. So I'm going to section my hair off in two parts, I'm going to test the original on one side against the new line on the other side. And just to give you my overall thoughts of one is better than the other and how my hair feels overall. So without further ado, let's get started. On these two products, these two shampoos. So for the original shampoo compared to the Miracle RX moisturizing shampoo, the only thing that I found different between these two really is just the ingredients. One has black honey with coconut oil and this one has almond oil with coconut oil for the original version. So no real significant difference to be quite honest other than the ingredients being different. There was really no other difference. Just a slight difference with the consistency of the products. So for the original moisturizing shampoo, this one was a little bit more runnier, a little bit more looser and the consistency and the Miracle RX line shampoo, this one was just a little bit thicker. As far as the smell goes, let me see, okay, they do smell different. The Miracle RX smells a little bit sweeter. I guess that's the honey and the original moisturizing shampoo, this one. I'm not really sure what it smells like but it doesn't have a sweet fragrance to it. I guess that's more of the omelette. I guess I'm not really sure what the omelette smells like. So they do smell a little bit different but I do get the same results just overall. Both of these products are moisturizing, they're conditioning, my hair feels very soft. Upon contact of these products, the lather was very rich. I think a little bit more richer because the product is thicker with the Miracle RX line compared to the original moisturizing shampoo. So both of these products are really great. Both have a really great slip. You can easily detangle with your fingers with these two shampoos. Very penetrating, very hydrating, very moisturizing as the product claims. So other than that, there's really no significant difference. The bottles, of course I don't have the original bottle for the original moisturizing shampoo but the bottles are the same. The packaging is the same. So one was not more moisturizing than the other. They both felt the same to me. The only thing different, like I said, was just the richness of the lather. The Miracle RX line just seemed to lather a little bit thicker than the original shampoo but other than that, that's pretty much it. So now we're going to move on to the mask and we are going to compare the Honey Miracle Mask to the Miracle RX deep hydrating hair mask. We're going to compare them side by side just to see if there is a major significant difference between these two products. So that's coming up next. About these masks. On the left hand side I use the Honey Miracle Mask and on the right hand side I use the deep hydrating hair mask. So the first thing that I notice is the color of these two products. I don't know if you can see it well. The color of these two products are one-shadow runout. They're pretty much the same except a light yellow tint to the both of them. I also notice a difference with the scent of both of these products. So the Honey Miracle Mask has a more of a sweeter honey-like smell to it and the deep hydrating hair mask for the Miracle RX line doesn't really have much of a smell to it, believe it or not, unlike the shampoo. The shampoo has a little bit of a sweeter fragrance but not so much the mask. As far as the consistency goes they're pretty much the same. They both have this slow, runny consistency. I'm trying to see if one may be a little bit smoother than the other but they look almost identical. You can tell that when I applied the Honey Miracle Mask to my hair it felt a little bit thicker on the left side and it felt like for whatever reason it was sitting on my hair and it didn't really feel like it was absorbed. I don't know why it feels different now than when I first tried this product for the first time. The Miracle RX deep hydrating hair mask is a little bit lighter in the consistency when I applied it to my hair. It felt like it glided through my hair a little better. I could easily detangle with this. It felt like it had more penetration on the right hand side than with the Honey Miracle Mask. This one seemed to absorb a little bit better I guess because it's a little bit lighter in consistency compared to the Honey Miracle Mask. So not again not a huge difference between these two products. I don't know why but other than the ingredients and just a slight difference of the consistency and a difference of the scent again that's the only difference that I can that I could see. I'm going to let both these products sit in my hair but I got a feeling I'm going to get the exact same results. I feel like they're going to both feel the same soft hydrated moisturize. I don't think there's going to be a big difference but that's all that I found. The slip on the both of these products pretty decent slip. The Miracle RX was a little bit better in the slip than the Honey Miracle Mask and it did seem to leave my hair a little bit softer in texture compared to the left hand side with the Honey Miracle Mask. So again not a huge significant difference between these products. The jars are even the same. The weight both 12 ounces. I just can't see where one stands out more than the other. So both of these products without heat you have to leave it on your hair from anywhere from 35 minutes to an hour. Both of these so even the time that you leave on your hair is the same.  So I'll see you in a little while. My hair still feels very soft. Both sides feels hydrated, moisturized. It's very very soft. No difference. One side doesn't feel any different than the other side. Both the same. No significant difference once again. So the only difference I can see as far as the ingredients. One has coconut oil and one has olive oil in it. So now we're going to move on to the leave-in conditioners. So on the right hand side this is the Miracle Repair RX. This one has a little bit of a thicker consistency. It's just kind of staying in one place and the green tea super moist this one has a little bit more of a runny consistency. So on the left hand side I'm going to be using the original leave-in conditioner from TGIN which is the green tea super moist leave-in conditioner. This one has the green tea in the argan oil and from the Miracle RX protective leave-in conditioner. This one has black honey and coconut oil. So again difference of ingredients. So we're going to see how these bad boys feel. Here we go. So starting on the left side with the original TGIN product. So just a little bit of that and we're checking for how well the product absorbs and penetrates my hair. We're checking to see if the product sits on my hair. If it's lightweight. It's very softening. The original one it is absorbing into my hair really well. I don't see the product sitting on my hair. I can easily get my fingers through with this product for detangling as well. It's very softening. I don't really see any product or residue on my hair and I'm working it through just to make sure I have it in really well. Yeah no residue. So it absorbs into my hair really really well. Now for the Miracle RX protective leave-in conditioner. Okay so I'm applying this on the right side. This one definitely feels very moisturizing. It actually feels a little bit more moisturizing and and as though it also has a little bit more slip than the green tea one. Smells really good. Yeah and this one the protective leave-in conditioner it definitely feels more absorbent, more penetrating, very lightweight. It feels a little bit more lightweight and more absorbent than the green tea super moist leave-in conditioner. Yeah I feel like this one just seems just a glide and absorbent to my hair really well. No residue. So I'm really liking the protective leave-in conditioner. This one actually feels a lot better than the green tea super moist. This is the one I have to really work into my hair or else it's going to leave a white residue. So the last products I'm going to compare will be the buttercream daily moisturizer and for the Miracle Repair RX the curl food which is also a daily moisturizer. And as you can see once again the jars are the same. Both are 12 ounce jars so let's open these up. So the buttercream daily moisturizer has shea butter and vitamin e and the Miracle Repair RX has black honey and coconut oil so once again a difference of the ingredients. The buttercream has the same consistency as the honey the honey miracle mask as well as the mask with the Miracle RX. So same smooth consistency. So the consistency with the curl food is a lot thicker in consistency. There's no run to it at all but there are little beads in there that are infused with herbs and the regular buttercream does not have that. Here's a close-up of the buttercream. There's the much smoother texture smoother consistency. So we're going to check to see if there's any build up if there's any residue. I can already see residue so I have to really work this product into my hair really well to ensure that the residue was worked into my hair. So I've got that worked in there nice and shiny nice shine there. Hair still feels very soft. My hair does feel moisturized. All right so I'm just going to pin this side up. So this is the curl food and as you can see a much thicker heavier consistency. It's not thin so it's pretty heavy. It smells good but it doesn't smell as good as the buttercream daily moisturizer. Yeah it definitely doesn't smell better than the buttercream. The buttercream definitely smells better than the curl food. All right so just going to work it through. Okay so far feels really good. My hair is filling. It's absorbing into my hair really good as well as the last product but I think I don't know the curl food seems to maybe absorb in my hair a little bit better and a little bit faster or maybe because I'm just working the product in fast but it just seems like this product is absorbing into my hair a little bit better and faster than the buttercream. But it makes my hair feel the same. Moisturized is the product claim and no residue. No residue that I'm seeing. It did absorb really well into my hair. Now with the curl food you can use this product to do a twist a twist out flat twist. Okay so the curl food is worked in as well as it can be worked in and it feels the same. I mean I think it's just the initial application of the products or some of these products that I may feel a difference but overall I get the same results. My hair feels the same. One side of my hair doesn't feel any better or worse than the other side. It's almost like these products are identical but just a difference of ingredients is what I'm I'm just learning here and this is just my opinion. I'm sure everybody you know based up there an experience will have their own opinion but from what I can tell these products the original tgi inline and the miracle rx line are almost the same. They're just almost the same. Almost identical. Just a difference of some ingredients. So now I'm going to twist it up and I will be right back. And I hope you enjoyed this video. The purpose of this video was just to once again compare the original tgi in products to the new line that they just released which is the miracle repair rx line and just to give you my honest thoughts and opinions. So for those that may be debating on which product to get should they get this product or the other product. I hope this does shed some light on it where you can make the best choice but again it just comes down to your hair texture your hair presty and just what your hair likes. So definitely give these products a try. Again tgi in is definitely a really great brand. All the products are great products. I mean there was no complaints with the products at all but I just noticed just a couple differences in the the lines but for the most part not a real big significant difference. Like I said on each of the pretty much each of these products. There's no significant difference with these products to be quite honest. But at the end of the day they give my hair great results no matter if I use the original line or the new line. I still get really great results afterwards. So I have my hair just twisted up. I just did a flat twist at the top and I just did two big flat twists in the back. So I'm just going to let this air dry and then I'll take it down sometime tomorrow once it's nice and dry. And if you like this video don't forget to like comment and subscribe. It's just Janine. I will see you guys in the next video. Bye guys!


Johan, it seemed like a pretty clean win with the white pieces against last year's runner-up David Anton. Pleased with the way things went today? Yeah, of course very happy. It was a very good game. I didn't expect to win so easily. So easily, what do you think was wrong with his opening because he seemed to be in trouble right after? Yeah, I was much better prepared and then I had 40 minutes more on the clock and my position was slightly better So of course it's easier to play for me and then later in the game he didn't find counter play and I had a very strong attack. So it was very hard for him. Very interesting point. You made about the 40 minutes advantage that you had on the clock. How important do you think is the advantage on clock in a game? Oh, it's very important because I mean I spent almost as long time as him. So like one critical moment can change the whole game. Johan, is David the strongest opposition you won against? Yeah, I beat somebody with 26-30 but it's like 26-60 so it's yeah the best strongest one. Right now we've also seen a big jump in your rating in the last few months. What is it that you've been working on or doing differently? No, I don't do anything differently but when you work a lot in a long period of time suddenly you get the results so that's very good. So you think it's important to keep working and not expect? Yeah, I mean I was a 2500 and then I was dropping below but I still kept working and now I'm going back up so I'm very happy about that. It's easy to stop. Right, well two out of two, a dream start at the trade wise Gibraltar chess festival could not have gone better. No, thank you. We wish you all the best.