Hi, I'm Zor. Welcome to Inizor Education. I would like to continue talking about energy related to chemistry. Today's lecture is about inter-atomic bonds. Now, this lecture is part of the course Physics for Teens, which is presented on unizor.com. If you found this lecture anywhere else, like on YouTube or something like that, I do suggest you to go to the website because it basically contains the reference through the same lecture, but also every lecture is having the textual part, basically it's like a textbook. Plus, there are certain exams and there is a functionality, it's a course actually. On the website it's a course, not just individual lectures. And the course obviously is logically combines the different parts, which are related to each other in certain order. Also, on the same website you can find Math for Teens, which is a prerequisite for this course because there are lots of mathematics in physics, and so that's why I first created the Math for Teens and now this is the Physics for Teens based on the math. Okay, back to chemical energy. Well, by now you know that mechanical energy is related to objects, energy related to heat, thermal energy is related to moving of the molecules inside the objects, so this is the one level down. Now when we are talking about chemical energy we are going deeper into the molecules. We are going to atoms which are combined into the molecules and rearranging these atoms is what chemical reaction actually does and during this rearrangement some energy is either produced or consumed, chemical energy. So, what we are talking about right now is that the molecules contain atoms and somehow the rearrangement of these atoms from one set of molecules to another produces or consumes energy, whereas this energy coming from. Well, and another obvious question is why the atoms are combined into molecules and what actually keeps them in the molecule itself. Well, that's what interatomic bonds actually is all about. So, every molecule which basically is the smallest part of any substance which maintains the properties of this substance contains atoms and these atoms are bonded together into this molecule using the interatomic bonds. So, let's talk about how exactly these interatomic bonds are working, what's the kind of a mechanism behind it. Well, what's very interesting is that there are certain models which people came up with which describe this interatomic bonds and none of these models are exactly what's really happening in the nature. These are all our models. However, experiments basically show that these models both seem to correspond to whatever we observe in the nature. So, we are considering these models as well kind of truthful models to an extent until some experiment will show that well these models are not exactly what's going on. There is something else and then theorists are coming up with maybe a little bit better model which better corresponds to new experiments without obviously breaking the old one. So, the physics behind the structure of the atom is really extremely complex, extremely convoluted and unfortunately there are many theories which contradict each other etc. So, what I will talk about is something relatively simple model which relatively corresponds to a certain degree to what's really happening in the world but again by no means I'm stating that this exactly what's going on in the real world. This is our model which more or less closely represents what's going on. So, I'm talking about orbital model of the atom. Well, one of the first inventors of this model was great physicist from Copenhagen, Nils Bohr. So, he lived in the beginning of 20th century and he was one of the founders of all the contemporary physics. Ok, so let's talk about orbital model of atoms. According to this model and again I'm repeating this is a model. I'm not sure what exactly is going on inside the atoms. So, according to this model the model contains a nucleus and certain number of electrons which are circulating around this nucleus on certain orbits. Now, nucleus in its turn contains certain number of particles, actually two particles, protons and neutrons. Protons carry positive electrical charge, electrons around it carry negative charge and the number of protons and electrons should be the same to keep the atom neutral, electrically neutral. Otherwise it will be very unstable. Neutrons do not have any electrical charge. Now, the size of the atom relative to the size of the nucleus is extremely large. It's like size of the solar system relative to the size of the Sun itself. Sun takes, well, substantial amount of space but no comparison with the size of the entire solar system when all these outer orbits are actually taken into account. However, the mass of the atom is here in a nucleus. Electrons are very, very, very light. I mean, millions of, I don't really remember what exactly is, but we can safely say that the mass of the atom is concentrated in its nucleus. It's a sum of masses of all the protons and neutrons which are more or less the same, almost the same in their mass. So, protons and neutrons are inside, electrons are outside. For our purpose of talking about inter-atomic bonds, we actually have to concentrate on the electrons. Now, here's another important thing. For reasons, well, to tell you the truth, unknown to me. And most likely it's unknown to many other people, I mean professional physicists. So, for these reasons, if this is a nucleus and these are different orbits, on every orbit there is certain maximum number of electrons which can circulate on this particular orbit, not bumping into each other. Because if they bump into each other, they will probably kick whatever the extra electron is to another orbit. So, there is certain number, maximum number of electrons on each orbit. And, as I was saying, for reasons unknown to me, the closest to the nucleus orbit has maximum of two electrons. The next one, 8, the next one, if I'm not mistaken, 14. And let's not go any further than that. So, these are maximum. Now, different elements have different number of electrons. Like, for instance, hydrogen has one electron, carbon has six, oxygen has eight electrons. Now, the electrons are filling up the orbits. Now, the one electron here doesn't even fill the first orbit. So, it's circulating somewhere on the closest to a nucleus orbit. Now, this one, the carbon, well, it has two electrons on the inner orbit and four electrons on the next one. Now, the total number of electrons on the next one is 8. So, it's not filling the second orbit. It completely fills the first one and the second one it does not fill completely. It has only four out of maximum eight. Now, oxygen has eight, which means it has two in the inner orbit and six in the second one. So, there are two spaces left out of eight. It has only six in the second orbit, two in the first, six in the second. Now, this is a key to understand how different atoms are connected to each other. You can imagine this connection as somehow related to the electrons on the outer layer, on the outer orbit of this particular, of any particular atom. For instance, in case of hydrogen, so we know there is only one electron. It can be two, which means it can absorb another electron or share your, it can share its own electron with something else. So, the purpose of any bonding between atoms is to fill up the outer layer. So, this electrostatic kind of a desire to be complete is the source of the bonding. And how can we make complete? For instance, if you have atom of hydrogen just by itself. Well, by itself it's not complete because there is only one electron. However, if you will have two different atoms of hydrogen. Now, this one has one electron and this has one electron. If for some reason they can share these electrons, so these electrons are on both orbits. So, this one may be here, may be here and this one may be here and may be here. So, they're sharing and these two electrons are filling up the orbits in both cases. So, this sharing is one of the different kinds of bonding between the atoms. There are others as well, but we're not going into the depths of different kinds of bonding. I just wanted to share with you that there are certain mechanisms of inter-exchange of these electrons between elements by which they may complete their orbits. So, now if these two electrons are shared between these two atoms and I have no idea how it's done. However, if they are shared and that's what basically contemporary physics are saying. Then, this layer and this layer, the first layer which can hold maximum two, that's complete, will be filled up. Now, on another hand, if you have an element with already two electrons, like helium for instance, helium has two electrons on the first orbit, it's already complete and this is the inert gas. It doesn't really take into any reaction with anything because it has a complete number of electrons on the orbit. However, something like hydrogen, it needs something else to be complete. So, for instance, it can be combined with another atom of hydrogen forming a molecule. So, this is a molecule which we call a molecule of hydrogen and we call it H2 because there are two hydrogen atoms which are sharing each one having a single electron, but these two electrons somehow are sharing the orbits and atoms are stable now, connected through this sharing, the atoms are stable. So, this is a stable gas. Atomic hydrogen is not stable. It will immediately take into reaction with atom and it will form the molecule. Same thing, atomic oxygen. Atomic oxygen is a very reactive kind of substance. It will always look for something to form a molecule, to fill up its own outer layers. Now, what happens with oxygen, by the way? With oxygen, we have eight electrons. Two is filling up the inner structure and we have six on the second one. Out of eight. So, we have two spaces not filled up. So, what happens is if you have this electron and this electron, now you have six spaces, six electrons on the outer orbit. So, these four, one, two, three, four are kind of private and these four are kind of private, but these are shared. So, these pair of electrons, now in this case we have one pair of electrons. In this case, we have two pairs of electrons and they are connected, they are shared between these two atoms and they are making a connection. So, somehow they are shared. So, that's how we have a molecule of oxygen which contains two atoms which share two pairs of electrons. So, that's why we are actually structuring molecule of hydrogen this way and molecule of oxygen this way. Number of these bars indicate number of pairs of electrons they are sharing. Well, this seems to be a stronger connection, right? Because there are two links and this is one link. Now, does it mean that oxygen always has to have double link with something else? Not necessarily because it can connect to some other things in a different configuration and we will go into this. So, my next configuration is carbon related to hydrogen somehow. So, we are talking about gas called methane. Now, it's a CH4. Now, let me just put structure. H, C, H, H, H. What does it mean? Okay, C has six electrons, two on the inner orbit and four on the next one out of eight. So, we have four spaces to be completed somehow. So, this has four which are needed to fill it up. These all have one single one on their orbit. So, if these guys are sharing these electrons with this one, everybody is complete, right? So, we have these four electrons are shared with these four electrons making the orbit of each H a pair and making the orbit of carbon, the outer orbit, equal to eight. So, that's what's happening in this case. And this is the structural formula. C connected with a single link to four different Hs. One single atom of carbon with four different atoms of hydrogen. Next example. Next example is carbon dioxide, CO2. We all know about this gas. We are breathing in the oxygen and we are breathing out carbon dioxide, right? Now, how is this arranged? Well, let's just think about it again. Oxygen having eight minus two on the inner, six on the outer. So, it's two extra which needed to complete. C has two on the inner, four on the outer. So, what happens is this following. That's the structure of the carbon dioxide. So, C has four electrons on the outer orbit. Oxygen has six ones. So, two and two and two private. Two and two and two private. These guys are shared. These guys are shared. Now, carbon has eight. One, two, one, two. One, two, one, two. It has eight on outer orbit because these are shared electrons. And each oxygen has eight. This one and this one. All right? So, that's how we have CO2. Carbon dioxide. Next, a little bit more complex, but for the purpose. The ethanol. Now, ethanol has the formula C2H6. Well, sometimes they are doing it like CH3. CH2OH. Whatever it is. Anyway, this is a representation of the structure of ethanol. And here is the structure. So, we have two atoms of carbon connected to each other. Now, these guys are connected to hydrogen. And this one is connected to hydrogen through the molecule of oxygen. Again, think about, we need two extra for oxygen, remember this? We need four extra of four carbon and we need one extra for H. So, if you will pay attention to this picture. So, every link represents one shared electron. Between this and this. Between this and this. So, for all, we have two extra shared electrons which will complete its outer layer. For each C, we have four, you see? This four and this four. We have four shared electrons to complete its outer layer, which has four, but needs eight. And obviously, each hydrogen needs one more, so we have this. What's very important, why I actually wanted to put this. Remember, back the CO2 has this connection. So, between C and O, between carbon and oxygen, we have double link here, because it's a double pair, two pairs of electrons connected. Here between carbon and oxygen, we have one. So, it's not the atoms by themselves which determine the link. It's the whole structure of the molecule. The same two different atoms can be connected using one pair of electrons in one case and two pairs of electrons in another case. So, this is double bond. This is single bond. This is CO and this is CO. So, there are different bonds between even the same atoms. And whenever we are calculating energy or whatever is necessary to break the bond, and that's what chemical reaction is. It's breaking some bonds and creating other bonds. So, we have to really compare. So, whenever we do this, we have to calculate not only based on what kind of atoms are inside the molecules, but the structure of the molecules and what kind of bonds are between the molecules. So, that's why I wanted to present you the molecule of ethanol as different connection between the same carbon and oxygen than, let's say, in carbon dioxide. And what else? And my last example is hydrogen peroxide. It's not exactly water. Remember, water is H2O. Well, H2O basically means this. Now, hydrogen peroxide is this one. Now, how is this connected? Well, this is how. HOOH. So, again, in some cases, O and O are connected as in oxygen gas with a double link. But in case of hydrogen peroxide, the connection is single link here because another link is used to connect to H to hydrogen. All right. So, again, the purpose of this lecture was to explain that there are interatomic bonds, which are, well, you can say these are the forces actually, which keep the molecule together. Now, in certain cases, these forces might not actually be very stable. But like in case of hydrogen peroxide, it basically converts into regular water releasing some extra oxygen. But in most cases, molecules are stable. And they're stable because these bonds between different atoms are keeping the molecule together. Now, we were talking about one particular kind of bond. It's the sharing of electrons. There are some others. There are some metallic bonds and there are some others, actually, ionic bonds. I don't want actually to go into the depths of this. My purpose was not really to talk about what kind of bonds exist, but just to make sure that you understand that we need interatomic bonds. And interatomic bonds can actually be different, like single, double, can be triple. If you need three different pairs of electrons to share or something else. So they may be different and it's not the atoms per se that determine the bond. It's the whole molecular structure determines what kind of a bond exists between the atoms. And in the next lecture, whenever we will start calculating the energy of consumed or released by the chemical reaction, we will calculate this energy based on what kind of a bond this is. Is it a single bond between carbogen and oxygen or is it a double bond or whatever else it is? Well, that's basically enough for general understanding how the molecules are built from the atoms. I did mention this before, but I think it's quite really amazing that you have so many different molecules, like thousands, millions of different molecules, different substances, obviously. Now, all these molecules are built from about a hundred different types of atoms, which are classified in the periodic table of man to live. And each atom contains basically, well, three major elementary particles, proton, neutrons and electrons. And again, they're just combined into different quantities to make different atoms. So the atom of carbon contains exactly the same protons and neutrons and electrons as atom of oxygen just in different quantities and you have a different atom. So the millions of molecules are built from about a hundred different atoms and these hundred atoms are built basically from three major particles. So that's how the world is built according to our model, how it is in the reality. Nobody knows. Anyway, that's it for today. Thank you very much and good luck.


And we are live. Welcome to Dear to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger. It is such a pleasure to be here. I don't know. At the beginning here, it just reminds me I've been doing this for 15 and three quarters years. It'll be six years, 16 years in June. And how lucky I feel really fortunate to be on this journey. When I started out. This actually was how I came out of the spiritual closet was the show. And I started out talking about creating dreams because at that time in my life, it was a huge awakening. Oh, you can actually think of something you desire. And want to create out in the world and that there are actually steps you can do it and I started living a big way bigger life than I had previously. And I got so excited I wanted to share it with people. And there's a big story about even how I got here from being an actress and a singer. But the point is, I arrived here. I know the universe meant me to be here. I started out just as creating dreams but as I went on and I started to notice the guests I had was in a radio station in Hollywood to start with. And I started to realize, hmm, that those were interesting people those were interesting people but the people who were very physical or who channel channeled or had some kind of inherent deep wisdom. They were changing my life this became my master class. And thank you to all of you because as I shifted, you came with me. That's not always true. A lot of people out in the world have to rebrand themselves. And I questioned often, am I still dare to dream. How does that work. But I would follow energy because it's the one thing I knew how to do and my curiosity was the most important thing because I wanted to show up for the best conversation that excited me. And so I shifted deeply into spirituality and I came out of the spiritual closet and I realized, oh, this is the journey this is the greatest value in my life. At some point, I became abundantly aware that all that stuff about ETS and UFOs actually exist. That it wasn't just some people I interviewed now and then who were famous and kind of interesting but I didn't really believe, but I had a huge turn a huge awakening when I said this is truth. And I questioned dare to dream is that the right name for the show should I rebrand because now I'm following this path and adding it. It's so important to me fairies all of this conversation I believe I believe I've experienced now I've experienced. And you all came. You shifted with me. Nobody questioned nobody stopped in fact more joined. And so I'm so deeply grateful to all of you for being on this journey. Thank you so much love for being my avid watchers listeners and for sending myself and my guests so much love. Well today is no exception because yay. Today, I've got Nora Harold here and she channels a multitude of high five being such as the Pleiadian Collective Yeshua. And now I'm going to talk about the Learons and Lemurians, the fairies and the angelics. Let me tell you, a lot of those words are very powerful for me. That we are here and doing the show today this show is sponsored by Dr. Dean here and access consciousness. And if you want to do energy work with them or become a facilitator go to Dr. Dean here.com h e r or access consciousness.com join them there. The show is one the C O V R award for best radio podcast show listed in what magazine is one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to listed as a top self improvement podcast on Apple nominated for two people's choice awards and for a webby award. And I do miss. I do media visibility work out into the world and thank you folks it's so cool to meet some of you who joined me and work with me. I'm a book writing coach I show you how to write a page Turner and a highly engaging book in a world where you want to stand out from the rest of the books being published. I independently run a company that takes your book to a guaranteed international best selling status. And last I show spiritual messengers how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get massive results so if you are ready to be visible. And boy is it your time. What do you think going on in the world. If you are here to herald this new time. Join me. I'm happy to show you how to do it. And I'm happy to give you a free gift to do it. Go to Debbie dashinger.com slash gift and get your templates and videos so I can show you how it's So indeed today my guest is the amazing Nora Harold, who's been channeling lecturing and delivering healing work for over 30 years. In 1996, Nora established conscious contact with the Pleiadians and her spirit guides, which triggered an understanding of her abilities and gave her access to her own records. In 2007 she began receiving information sharing specific techniques to facilitate the integration of the fifth dimensional identity and the reassention process, which has become the foundation of her work. Nora offers private sessions, teaches, lectures is a reiki master has appeared on film radio and TV and has channeled for people all around the world. Nora lives in Ohio, California with her partner, Jonathan Wilk, and their animal companions. If you would like to learn more about her go to n or a herald. Nora Harold.com. And with that, I welcome the amazing Nora to dare to dream. Boy, it's so good to have you. Hi, Debbie. Hello, everybody. It's wonderful to be here with the amazing Debbie. Oh my god. The most yummy yummy energy have you always been like this always been so joyous. You know, yes, and then no, and then yes, again, is the answer, right. Yes, came out this way and then life, and then found it again. Yes, and I think it's, you know, it's the channeling and specifically I think the work with with the fairies that really emboldens my joy and helps me transmit it. Oh, how cool I didn't expect you to say that but it makes so much sense because of their, their energy, their luminescent energy. Have you been seeing and experiencing your whole life, these different realms. So, yes, and no, and then again, yes. Right, so it goes with the joy. You know, when I was up until about the age of 10, I would say it eight to 10 somewhere in that window. I was very I was very much a seeker as a little girl. Do you remember the show in search of. Yes. Yeah. So me and my dad would watch that every week and I was so into it right I like at eight years old I was like, yeah. I was real and fairies are real right it just, I just felt that so strongly and then divorce and trauma and right so I just didn't have the bandwidth then to be in that space I was very focused on survival and my emotional reality. In college, I had a reading from a tarot reader and she suggested that I get my own deck. She picked up on my kind of inherent intuitive psychic seeing hearing feeling abilities. And, you know, well, isn't it that somebody's supposed to give you a tarot deck as a gift like isn't it that you're not supposed to buy it for yourself. And she just kind of laughed and said, Yeah, that's just superstitious beliefs. I got it and got a deck of tarot cards and just completely dove into it tarot was my gateway drug to all that I do now. And yeah, so that was my origins of kind of coming back. I heard that tarot can actually activate somebody that when you've you're ready have let's say latent gifts that when you start using the tarot they can actually wake them up and you can connect through the tarot to your gift so you're really giving these wild accurate readings and information to people. Yes, and that's that's how I experienced it for almost 10 years right so that was like the age of 19 to 29. I worked with tarot and I was interested in crystals and astrology and, but I was also an actress and a waitress. So, we have the same origins. Mine is Chicago theater, and I worked professionally in Chicago theater for a major in theater Columbia College. You just had Sheldon Epson which is so amazing to me I was so overjoyed to see you highlighting and Sheldon and his work, and I have an important Sheldon in my life Sheldon Patinkin was the head of the theater department at Columbia College in Chicago and he was one of the originators of second city. So I just love that we share that we share that and then the Sheldon thing just completely tickled me.  Better to risk it than to be afraid to risk and so much of that was given to me in college that support to try to go farther. And I went from, you know, very white middle class suburban experience to the diversity of an inner city Chicago College which just also awakened my consciousness right so I have these different levels of awakening that have occurred throughout my life that caused me to look at my own prejudices and programming, you know, because again I grew up in a very white and in large part very bigoted home in one of my parents and then there I was with gay people and black people and trans people who had yet even perhaps knew they were trans right and that was so just immediately expanding for me and I see that as woven into my work all of it right all of this all the experiences I had throughout my teenage years and my 20s is leading me to the moment where then I established conscious connection with my spirit guide morondo and that happened when I was 29. What is that relationship like morondo is funny because I don't really work with morondo much any longer. He was he was like he's laughing now. Do you hear me say that. I work with you. Yeah, exactly. I mean, and I know that's true, but in in public facing work morondo is not he I've channeled him maybe once or twice publicly morondo is my support staff. It's a very personal energy for me in my first meeting with morondo. I was hanging out with a friend. We were reading each other's tarot cards. And she told me about someone she just met who channels.  And she said, Well, you know, you could do that when you channel, but she channels her spirit guides. And when my friend Amy said spirit guides is something clicked inside of me, it was this I had been seeking for a long time. And so, Tara was fulfilling pieces of it but it wasn't the whole thing and I knew that. So she and I then said, Okay, let's let's try it. Let's let's try to connect and see what happens so you know we're like, hanging out in her apartment, midnight, you know, just playing it was very playful. We both just quieted ourselves. And there was nobody present to tell me I couldn't do it. There was nobody there to say it was hard. There was nobody there in any way, making it difficult for me or creating any kind of obstacle. And it was very, the connection was almost immediate. Like as soon as Amy said to me spirit guide, I went Oh yeah, that's right. I know they're with me and it was like going back to childhood then I know fairies are real I know guides are real I know, I know it from a very clear cognizant place inside of me a level of certainty. I felt this energy connect with me. He felt male to me I knew his name started within them. I saw this saw. I don't really see I'm not very clairvoyant, but I knew had a sense of his light as this brilliant yellow, kind of yellowish light. And what I felt was this unconditional love that was unlike anything I had ever experienced as Nora before, and never been loved like that before, you know, it, because we can't as humans love in the way they love us. It's our relationship as humans we are complicated by our stuff. Right with them there's no stuff. There's just enduring love and support. And it was a life altering experience for me I walked into my friends apartment one version of myself and I left at four in the morning completely altered began immediately having past life memories.  Here's your here's your beer. Oh, I see. There's some drama in this relationship. Okay, I'm going to go in the kitchen and shake that off and then one night I literally went into the kitchen, yelled up at the ceiling, and just said shut up three times right now the coast just looked at me like oh there's Nora doing her thing. And I heard very clearly, we are always transmitting it is up to you, whether or not to listen. That's a big job. That's a tall order. And I know many gifted people who have said I can't even go to Hollywood Bowl. If you know what that is because there's thousands, 10s of thousands of seats, and with every person comes their own entourage of past lives and entities attached to them and ghosts and etc, and they're overwhelmed with the information. So have you learned to modulate all of that. So it was pretty, it was pretty quick. And I have pretty strong boundaries, and things only slip through on a need to know basis. That's the way I like to frame it right on a need to know basis and I mean, if I want in any moment I could turn my head just a bit. And that's kind of the way I see it, right so my focus is here on me 3D life and my body and then I turn my head just a bit and that's all the other stuff is all there immediate. So I've just learned where to place my focus. And this only gets louder. If I'm not focusing on it, if I really need, if something needs to come into my awareness. Beautiful. And you know when well you're sharing that Nora, it reminds me of what I read in your bio which is that at that point you had gained access to your own records. This is, this is huge. So we're saying you're a posh like, yeah, not just. So we're talking at the library from the inception of your soul and every concurrent multi dimensional lifetime, etc. Yes, although you know it took a while and it's, I mean it's an ongoing process. Who am I kidding I haven't even, you know, access right 50% of that data I'm sure. But what came through almost immediately was a lifetime I had on Atlantis that began actually on LaMauria and then went to Atlantis and part of the reason for that is because Amy, my dear friend was with me in that life. As was Wendy Kennedy, another very well known channel, who is a dear friend of mine and Wendy is the third person in the trio there so the three of us would get together. Right 1996 how many years ago is that 24, five years ago something like that right. Math is just not my strong suit. The three of us knew each other in Atlantis and then the three of us came back together in this life to support each other in our channeling connection journeys, which is kind of, you know, remarkable and profound. So cool is as I would start to gain access to a specific memory of something that had occurred, like I'd get a piece of it and then the rest of it will come out I Amy's mouse. So there was just this constant validation between the three of us that made going farther faster really easy to have that support. Your souls had that agreement. Yeah, because it might have not been such an easy road to toe. If you had been alone but the fact that you all said yeah we'll do it together will be there to support and you know reactivate each other. Yes, that's quite beautiful. And I know because I've been following you as well that in your global transmissions that it's been said and channel that now is a really good time for us to be gentle with ourselves and I'm not going to say that at any point. Right. But this is a profound time in history. Can you illuminate why now, especially is important for us to be very gentle with ourselves. Thanks Debbie this is the pleidian collective it is wonderful to have the opportunity to connect with you and all of your wonderful listeners tuning in thank you thank you for having us here thank you for inviting Nora to be a part of this so we can be here with you. So in answer to your question, you're moving through what we're calling the acceleration of the shift. So as things are accelerating and becoming more intense. It's in some ways becoming more challenging to be here. And if you move to quickly and are too hard or harsh with yourself right now, you're going to miss the opportunity to heal that which is coming up for healing.  So let us let us talk about that for a minute kind of our story, what our story is about integration and reassention because there are a lot of stories out there and from our perspective, there's not any one story that tells the whole story, right there's not any be all and end all story you've tried that on your world with the Bible, right and it hasn't really changed.  There's too much of it already. We want you to take what resonates for you and leave what does not so the story we tell, and you could also call this mythology or metaphor it doesn't really matter. The story we tell is that on the winter solstice of 2012. The old way of being on planet Earth ended in a new way began. And the new way is a gateway into the integration of the fifth dimensional consciousness or your higher self and we use those terms interchangeably into the density of your physical bodies specifically from the heart chakra on down to the root. So prior to the winter solstice of 2012. A lot of you had integrated that fifth dimensional consciousness into your upper chakra system. Right so you can see that on your world's just this expansion, especially as you hit the year 2000 this expansion of ideas around spirituality and metaphysics and channeling and right all of it became suddenly much more popular much more talked about, but there was not a real ability yet to live it in a very grounded and real way. This is the change that occurred on the winter solstice of 2012. The initiation into living from your fifth dimensional consciousness and truly right now.  It's your person.  They're magnificent right the ego often gets a bad rap in the new age community and we don't we don't have that take on it we think your egos are wonderful they're part of the reason of coming to planet Earth so what you're doing now is you're allowing that fifth dimensional energy to begin to make its way down into your lower chakra system and to be able to do that.  You have untransmuted trauma sitting in the lower chakra system and you all do. That's by and large where you carry it because the lower chakra system connects you more directly to the earthly experience the upper chakra system connects you directly to the out there experience. So, if you're trying to bypass it, if you're trying to love and light it to death without actually diving in to your shadow, feeling what there is to be felt and accepting and unconditionally loving yourself more, you're going to continue to have obstacles in the integration process and this is what being gentle is about being gentle from our perspective is being able to say, wow, I was a huge asshole just now. And I can claim that and own that and recognize that I operated in this way, because my fear got activated based on earlier trauma in this life, and I hold that fear in my second chakra. So, in this moment, I'm going to breathe some love into my body, except myself, exactly as I am, without judgment, and then offer that love, that unconditional love to any version of me in any moment of time and space that needs it in any lifetime. Because the healing is not just about this lifetime experience, it's about many lifetimes experiences. Powerful, so powerful and sometimes, you know, and obviously the shadow takes many forms and it's like you said owning where we're irresponsible and maybe off track, misaligned and to write the ship. There's also the trauma that creates a victimhood. And in victimhood, I think it can be really hard to clean up, because you're cleaning up old trauma, right, where the inception of what happened where the beliefs and the experience that gets replicated began. And then what's happening currently under that paradigm that you, you know, people want so desperately to break free of and say, I don't want to do this in my life anymore. I don't want this experience anymore. Yes, this is the play audience here, you know, part of, part of the thing that we see that really facilitates healing, the aspects of you that feel victimized is allowing yourself to fully embrace the truth that you were victimized in those earlier moments, to not bypass that truth. And that's a little contrary sometimes to the belief system right now. What you see is that if you say to yourself, well, I chose that suffering because that suffering was going to teach me a lesson and it was going to lead me to this greater truth, what you're doing there is you're saying that suffering is good. It's not just that that suffering is necessary. And this is one of the things that shifted on the winter solstice of 2012. So up until that point, you were all caught in a loop of suffering on planet Earth. And you collectively humanity took in the ideology that not only was suffering good in some way, because it encouraged growth, but the suffering was necessary that was needed for pain. No pain, no gain. Yes, exactly.  So, from our perspective, it's never been suffering. That's been the fuel for growth is love. It's always love. I'm just going to explain that what do you mean it's always been love. Love is. There are two versions of love that you work with on planet Earth. There is love the feeling state, which is really a compilation of many different emotions, all wrapped up together that you call love. Then there is love as a state of being. That love is actually who we all are in this universe. We are all you are all love incarnate. So as you access that truth from within I am love incarnate. And that's a truth that the higher self slash fifth dimensional consciousness holds at all times. The higher self never waivers off of that point. The higher self always knows that they are loving incarnate. So as you integrate that truth more deeply into your third dimensional structures, then you become outwardly more loving. This is nor else speak personally about it. Right. So I experienced a lot of childhood abuse. And for a long time, I told myself that that abuse made me the person I am. And I had earlier in my interview, it didn't make me the person I am. It was a huge off ramp to who I was. And it took me a lot of healing therapy, a lot of different avenues to bring myself back to my awareness that I am loving incarnate and this reality is magic. That's the love piece. If the abuse hadn't existed, I would have gotten here earlier. Thank you so much for sharing that pleiadians and Nora. And, and while you're saying this, I completely concur. I completely understand the love piece so much. And what is popping for me is boundaries. Yes. Right. So we can be this enormous. Not everybody is not everybody is and it's not their path. I know I am I came with a huge heart full of love. And it's an interesting path I chose. So where do with all this love and the healing of love and the choice of love and not dragging forward. I just want to pull all the pieces you said because it was so eloquent which was to really allow ourselves the truth.  Yeah, this really was very difficult and God bless that I did the work to get myself to who I am and where I am today. That's the love, right? That's the love. The work is the love. Yes. That's the love. The suffering is not the love. That's right. We don't want to drag the suffering forward. We don't want to repeat. Certainly, because it's only self repeated, right? I mean, it's all an illusion anyway. So we don't want to keep perpetrating that. So with these are beings of love and many in the spiritual tribe truly are beautiful creatures. Where do boundaries come in? So it's not just an open bleeding heart. Yes, being loved but also that there are boundaries and protection. Yes, this is a play. And so anger is the gateway to boundaries. Anger is the emotion you will give yourselves on planet Earth so you could recognize when it is either your boundaries are being violated or are about to be violated, activate your will and take yourself to safety or create a safe container. Boundaries are essential. Anger is essential and it gets such a bad rap on your world because anger and rage are confused. Rage is a byproduct of unhealed trauma. Rage is that out of control, horrible feeling that when it's coming out of you, there's that voice back there saying stop and you can't because your trauma is just bleeding through and screaming out of you. Anger when felt in its truest unadulterated essence is pleasurable. It's a flash of light through the body that allows you to say no and no means no. Right. That's it. And that's love that in and of itself is love setting that kind of boundary. I love that so so much. Thank you. I know, creating is that some of what you facilitate I find it really fascinating that the deactivation of implants. The trap. We're talking about trauma right now. And the activation of creator abilities. Can you talk some about how that is facilitated how we might be able to engage some of that in ourselves or disengage from some of that in ourselves. Yes, so when we speak about implants, we're talking primarily about outdated beliefs that sit in your consciousness that act as a filtering agent to a higher level of being here in the body or more empowered being. Let's say more empowered right because higher level of being right sounds so superior and that's a problem from our perspective so more empowered right more, more grounded and empowered in the body.  That's going to be problematic if you're wanting to establish those kinds of contacts and connections. When you will encounter incarnated, you all came in with a series of implants installed that allows you to exist in the reality you were incarnating into at the point of entry. So for those who incarnated 5060 70 years ago, they have a lot more implants than those who incarnated 2030 10 years ago, because the game has continued to change. And as the collective consciousness expands and shifts, then what is permissible and what is not expands and shifts as you inhabit the body. So for those of you who came in some time ago. To deactivate an implant that here's how you'll notice it's existing, you'll feel it in your third chakra, because the third chakra is directly connected to the mental body and the implants always have a mental piece to them they have a thought form connected to them. So what'll happen is you'll, you'll start to head down a path and then you'll, you'll feel that that anxiety in your third chakra. And that's an outdated implant firing off. At that moment, what you what you can do is you can inhale some golden light into your heart and your crown. Exhale and flush your system with golden light D with the intention to deactivate that implant. And again the integration of the higher self into the lower chakra system also facilitates just automatically the deactivation of these implants because the collective consciousness doesn't have any of the obstacles and the implants are necessary right to help you navigate time is linear and your physical reality as solid matter is solid. So you can't deactivate all of them, of course, or you wouldn't be able to exist here on planet Earth in the 3D, you're you would be done with the game. Oh my gosh, that was so beautiful. I love that and that's very simple to do in real time. And how interesting that people beyond their 20s right now came in with so many more implants, a little bit more work to do. Yeah, I know and I really this is where I noticed it when I'm in private session that for me, I noticed there was a huge differentiation. This is something I noticed maybe about 10 years ago between anyone who came in prior to 1960 and anyone who came in after 1960. So there was a big shift that occurred there in that that was so that that feels to me like a similar gateway to the gateway we moved through on the winter solstice of 2012. So I came in 1967. So I, I, and John my partner came in in 1960. So sometimes I can see that that difference like when we're having heated conversations about things I'm like, just why don't you just get this right. Yes, he's on the cusp of having more implants and yes implants. Yes.  So he's you know he's very his consciousness is very expanded he's been wonderful for me actually in so many ways in support but also in helping me access my anger. He's very good at that coming into the relationship in a way that I was not. You know I was raised Catholic in a very repressed household. He's Jewish where there was just a lot of Totally. Yeah, he was really good for me with that anger piece and I remember the first time I really had a like a six months and we had this just big fight. Right I threw my car keys which is something like I would never do.  Like you can have a fight, and then still be with the person they still love you where the anger didn't cancel out the love. God that is so important by the way that's something I observe a lot, because I think I've always. We want a healthy relationship to start with right we don't want a lot of wounds playing out in people and triggering and re triggering that's not being resolved so let me say that as a pre caveat. I've always observed that in a relationship one of the most important things exactly is that you can love, you can fight, but it's the crossroads and it's the where you make the choice right and if you choose. Well we're fighting I'm totally out this is unacceptable what you've no good luck. No, you're never going to be in a you're never going to be in a long term relationship. Right john and I've been together 24 years. If he and I spent 24 years together and never fought, we would be insane.  But this is the play Indians here and that's because as you are continually accelerating through your shift in consciousness now as you up level to a higher vibratory states, anything that you cleared on lower vibrational levels that will they come up again on the next level for clearing, but what you find is, Oh, well that thing used to really make me feel upset, and I would feel upset for a protracted period of time. And now on this higher level of vibration. Oh, I'm just upset for a few minutes and now I'm laughing again it's like it didn't even happen.  Yeah, and I think feel like part of the journey to is responsibility. I long to have, by the way a partner who can beat me there in that. Because it's something, you know, I'm obviously not fabulous at anything all the time, but it's something I certainly learned a long time ago is to really look at myself, and be able to apologize and own things when it is But to have that as a co creation in an intimate situation where a partner can say me a copa. That was me, I am so you know we need a little distance sometimes from that anger but then to say that was me and I was wrong and I will never do it again and and here's how I'll show you going forward that won't happen to really you know remorse is a beautiful thing. Oh, it's correct. Powerful magic is what it is. Apologizing and amends making it is powerful magic. It changes our realities. Changes our realities changes who we are changes the dynamics of a relationship allows a relationship. And if I may switch gears a little because I, I have so much fascination with fairies. Yes. Me too. And this is something else that it's like it was a Disney thing to me at some point a cartoon thing a tinkerbell thing and then boy I turned a corner.  And then it. I have not experienced fairies sober, but I have experienced fairies on mushrooms, communication and sensing. I haven't seen them but I've sensed them. Like when I was in a forest on mushrooms and I started singing, I sense that they were very happy. It was, it was so beautiful and they would guide me and tell me they would tell me things to do they would guide me to a rock and they wanted me to check things out and they would say what was in the rock and I would get there and it was true it was a whole cave and magical and so yes I have great love and curiosity about the fairies. This is Ursula greetings. So I am fifth dimensional. Most of the fairies you work with are either fifth or six dimensional beings. So we are not tiny little winged beings like tinkerbell, right. We are gigantic beings of light. And in a lot of ways we are primary guides right now for integration and research and because we're fifth dimensional consciousness. So we hold that vibration fully.   So perhaps you might define yourself as a piece of your consciousness is fairy, or maybe even more. It feels like fairy and you can kind of notice as you look at other humans.  When we use the term the fairies capital T capital F we are describing a realm that encompasses the gnomes the elves the brownies the pixies the dragons the unicorns on and on as well as what you might define as the classic fairy. So there is the fairy realm and then there are fairies, which I am one Ursula who and I began my relationship with Nora as her cat. She adopted me years ago and knew immediately that I was bringing fairy energy through that feline form. And when I left my physical form in 2019. I let Nora know that I'd be coming back to work through her in this way to which I said this is Nora know hell no sorry right like I'm not channeling my freaking cat know. I had the very I had a group transmission shortly after her name was her name was the Smurf in 3D life. Her name was Ursula but it was too formal for her so we nicknamed her the Smurf when we adopted her her name was Ursula. And she let me know that she'd be coming through and I was already channeling Kali Andra and older on other fairy beings. So you know I said no, I won't be doing that and then a few days later, I opened my mouth to channel in a group session and she came right through and it just felt of course perfect and even as I said no, I'm not going to be the crazy cat lady channeling her dead cat right. Even fairy form even as I said no I knew it was going to happen I knew there was no stopping it. Yes, so she just brings you know such joy and love and when when the Smurf died. We brought her body back to the house so the dogs could say goodbye, which I find very important for animals. When they lose a sibling. So to really let them understand that a death has happened, just like with humans. It's so important right to have that point of contact and understand it and embrace it. And they all visited with her each one of the dogs and that you know then we buried her outside and then john and I took a nap. And the entire house was filled with the sound of her purring. It was the most healing magical right I have these rare things that occur I think this is true for all of us they're pretty few and far between, because if there were too many of them, it would distract us from having our 3D life. And there are these moments when those veils really vanished between realms and dimensions and the bigger magic comes through. And that was one of those moments to hear the house filled in an auditory way this was not like my mind's I john and I both heard her purring loudly throughout the house. We experienced once in when we lived in Encinitas we were struggling in Encinitas it was not working for us living there, although living at the beach was amazing was fantastic right I'm seeing dolphins from my, my deck it was amazing but financially was terrible was terrible for us for, for many reasons so it was one night when we were really stressed out about it we were sitting on our deck. We had two cats, then Isabella and the Smurf, and we looked up in the sky. And they were gigantic cloud replications of our cats down to every whisker every piece of hair.  I said to john, I asked john like what the hell does this mean, and he said everything's going to be okay and and we moved to Ohio not long after that, which has been wonderful for us. Powerful. And how do we know, there was so many things that I got had questions that popped as you were sharing all that. First, how do we know if we have fairy, how do we know. They're available to all of you, right so any any one of you can have relationships with us our recommendation is this two fold. Find this in nature. So as you have done yourself Debbie, that's an excellent place to connect. We're just more readily readily available there.  We appreciate a formal invitation to come and occupy your space with you. And would we open the door and formally invite the fairies. Yeah, the fairies.  I'm so curious because I have heard that you have to be a little careful that some fairies are very mischievous and some don't like certain things you might do. Is there a cautionary tale here do we need to be careful at all or without the honey. Super that to me that feels like superstition now. I also think that this this is a part of the shift that we're going through that may have been more true 100 years ago 200 years ago, right. When our relationship with the fairy energy was different on this world. Our relationship has changed the winter solstice of 2012 really changed this. Okay, that's super helpful. And then how can we work with the fairies or how do we invite them, like what kind of things can we do with them or would we ask them. We love to be involved in your creative projects. So invite us in when you're expressing yourself creatively or working on something creatively it can be as simple as cooking. Right, or as expanded as putting a book out there or something bigger in that way we love to be involved we love to be involved in healing processes. We love play and music and magic invite us into your spell work.  You don't have to follow a formalized weekend practice or magical practice of course you can. We're not dissing them in any way but we want you all to feel free to say, Ah, if I create this intention and hold this vibration of joy in my body, I'm gonna candle. That's a spell. Cool. I love that so much I've actually become very fascinated with magic. This year for the first or maybe the last six months. I don't have an idea of magic but I mean the idea of performing magic, not as in a show but as in, you know, a creation. And so, and the only thing I've known to do is to Google it, right, something I want to create Google it and see what kind of spell is out there and then play around with it I find it mind blowing the potency. Absolutely. I've got really into magic again. So it was something I've been into and then kind of left behind during the pandemic. My excitement about magic got activated again. And I've done some workshops and channeling on spell work and magic and the simplicity of using, you know, you. This is the play and answer you asked you asked about being a creator being earlier. And we just want to touch on a couple of things here in response. One. Number one, as creator beings, you are responsible for what you are bringing to the situation relationship project at hand. You cannot 100% create everything because you're always in collaboration with other energy and other beings. So it's I as a creator being am responsible for my piece of this bigger thing, whatever it is. And the fifth dimensional operating system uses vibration as the foundation for a creation, creationary adventure, whereas the third dimensional operating system uses emotion as the fuel for creation, not thoughts. Not from our perspective, at least. There's some conversation around that that's fine. But the story we give is if your head is saying I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm rich. If you feel poor in your emotions, you're going to experience issues with prosperity. There's a misalignment until you get to that emotional place within you where you begin to access true feelings of deserving abundance. So not factoring in systemic issues, issues of wealth inequality, racism, antisemitism homophobia all of that that all contributes. And that's why we mean you are responsible as creator beings for what you personally are bringing to the experience.  And that's just a fact of your reality. And this is something else that you're all here to do.  Some of what we just referenced, they're not to be integrated there to be healed and removed from your reality removed. They're suffering loop, they serve no purpose, none.  And somebody came along and thought it was inappropriate for me to take a position on trans rights as a spiritual person. And that's, that is just profoundly mind boggling to me.  But that's, that is what we're here to do. So I think there's some, there's some movement happening there in the community that's talking about the bigger new age community. I think there's an ideology where, oh, if I'm just neutral, it'll all work out. Right. If I take a side, I'm adding to the problem. I'm not going to be the aliens, but you're in duality. Yeah, so if you say neutral, there is no staying out of it. You're first of all you're in it because you're part of the collective. And secondly, saying neutral is you just saying, yeah, I don't want to deal with it. I'm not going to be involved, which is basically you supporting the hate and whatever form it's taking. That is our perspective. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yes, it's such an important conversation. I know there are advanced civilizations around the galaxies who their predominant methodology or way of being is love, right. Yes, they're beyond it. Yes, they're so beyond it that they couldn't even comprehend what we perpetrate on each other and the wars we create over it and the suffering we create over it. There's an incredible level of insanity. I agree. And just for a note of levity, I want to call myself out because there are so many, I could say blonde moments I've had in my life. I've had one recently where I introduced many really beautiful, huge people, speakers at Conscious Life Expo recently. I'm not going to mention this person's name but he's very big in the community and I was so excited and someone took pictures. So I was posting those pictures on Instagram and I called him a trans channel. But I spelled it like a trans gender. And he called me out so sweetly but he said Debbie. Incorrect use. And my gender is definitely secure. However, and I was just like, oh mama Mia.  Right. And that is that is a little that sometimes the fairies and I think this is why they can get the bad rap for being mischievous right sometimes that fairy energy will insert something causes a hiccup, but that creates a bigger conversation. That shifts an awareness. Right. And that's not a suffering piece really although you may have suffered some embarrassment right like I would in that moment I would feel like, but it doesn't feel like it was huge. I think that's hilarious. Also, you substituted your hands for drawings as a semi conscious or conscious channel I think the best. Exactly.  And I'm, I'm grateful this conversations, taking so many really great turns that I'm, I'm getting a lot out of. I know the other things that just are so hungry this is like a buffet for me to talk to you. Yeah, so first, yes you are. I read must be a year and a half two years ago now the Tom Kenyon book the Magdalene manuscripts. And it unexpectedly had this profound. When I had to finish the book first, and then I had this moment, I'm like not one of those people goes all past life blah blah blah. But I had this moment where I'm like, I know this, like something in my being intimately knows Magdalene and Yeshua intimately knows this ISIS sacred sexuality temple this woof. And really, just even that thought opened up so much in me and I will say also what's so interesting all these turns of opening to because I'm Jewish and I grew up in New York, like a lot of stuff was weird to me. I didn't understand Christmas I didn't understand mass I didn't understand. We were friends with everybody because it's a melting pot there. So there's a lot of acceptance and knowing of each other's cultures and rituals. But I found there was something about the Jesus thing that was very difficult for me, and I resisted. So also in reading that book, it suddenly turned all of that around for me, he became real. And, and something even that I knew, which was incredible to me. So I would love you to share some of what, what or who Yeshua is for you and how he or that energy manifest and he is for you and right. These, this is Yeshua, we greet you with love and joy and honor your light. There are many stories about who we are. We come through Nora as a week, a collective. Many beings working together as one in support of humanity. The story we tell is that about 2000 years ago, the polytheistic energy on planet Earth, which included interactions with extraterrestrials got to the point where it created such a mess that it had a universal ramification. At that point, the Yeshua collective came together and came to Earth to remove the polytheistic way of being in the power and control that was happening and put you all back into the understanding that there is one God, God is source energy, you are all source. So there were many of us who came during that period of time. So we have Jesus told in the Bible, that may have been about one person, it may have been, it may be an archetype from our perspective that is less important than the understanding of the Yeshua collective. So we did that. We left a few hundred years past, those who are in power. Politicians, priests, blah, blah, blah said, yeah, we don't really want humanity recognizing that they are source. So, okay, the one God idea thing that that works fine, but we'll put him out there. He's out. He's up in a big chair in the sky, right. He's big male patriarchal energy that runs the show on this world. And that's been the story here. We're back. We're back in many forms. As Nora is channeling us, we are also incarnate currently on your world in many working through many different humans, bringing the truth that we are all source energy. There is no separation. There is no, I am lesser than trying to get to this higher energy of God because we all started you all started as source energy. That is the truth of your identity. You are source energy you are love incarnate you are not working your way up the ladder of dimensions to eventually get to this high place. You have already been that highest vibrational energy you have descended to have experiences. So we are here now to serve that message to continue what we started 2000 years ago. What can we be doing right now? Yes, sure. You know, you have a bird's eye view and an understanding of the matrix of all that's happening. It is a very interesting time to be alive. It's really busy. There's a lot of shifts in people's lives on a lot of levels. What can we do to stay centered to stay grounded to live the best life and I don't mean this in a very, you know, airy, I don't know, I don't mean this pedestrian. I really mean this for those of us on the path who may be having a little bit of a tough time and really want to show up for the best possible days, contributing, but also, you know, our experience. What do you see and know and how can you guide us.  There's still a need in the collective to seek one's value outside of the self because you believe that you have to do something to prove your value and your worth. And this is exhausting and depressing. So you are loving Carnot you are source energy, your value, therefore, is inherent in this. Then what you do becomes an expression of your value, an expression of your love, an expression of your worth, which means if what you choose to do today is just sit on the couch and rest.  This is that again taking us back to that encouragement around being gentle with the self to the most important thing you will ever bring to this reality is your own personal experience.  None of you have been victimized because you were vulnerable. You were victimized because you were in the presence of a predator. So I'm going to let that land. Thank you. I receive that. The other thing this is Nora is, is I find for myself is it can be really easy to get distracted by all these big stories about what's happening right that kind of take you up and out. Did you notice that happening that what you're tuning into is has gotten you really ungrounded and even disoriented.  Yes, this is Ursula do not discount fun. The more joy you put into the field, the more joyful this reality becomes end of story. Oh my gosh, thank you so much Ursula because, you know, I notice there's so much available today and I'd love to get your take Yeshua's take anyone's take that.  Is there a modality that is wonderful to pursue, or is it isn't really all about just coming back to self it's not. It's, it is that I mean I'll speak from my own personal experience so I, I was guided very early on to not do anything to artificially alter my consciousness was almost immediate upon my beginnings of channeling and I hadn't up to that point and smoke pot every once in a while right college. So I have found that that's what works for me. I see those using plant medicine, and I see people who are really helped by it. And I see people who start to form dependency on it, and tell themselves a story that the only reason they had the experience they had is because they were. Oh, using ayahuasca or mushrooms or whatever it is no you have the experience because you had that experience that's yours. That's your creation. Right so then the ayahuasca or the mushrooms or whatever is the permission slip. Sure. But too much use of that permission slip can then create dependency, and then actually become disempowering within the self. Yes, this is the play and so part of the integration of the higher self for the fifth dimensional consciousness is being able to access all of these abilities from within your own body because that's what the fifth dimensional consciousness holds. So you don't need an assist. Yeah, it makes so much sense to me and I feel like once you have an experience on a cellular level you can never unexperience it. True. Yeah, so sort of like that time I mentioned on mushrooms with the fairies also something musically happened to me I'd never experienced before where I literally I was. I was energetically in the matrix of music, and I could see music as it was happening and playing and I could see where it was going. And I knew where to insert myself vocally that would it was amazing to experience. And so, I think at first it was like, oh, you're going to take mushrooms again to get there and I realized no, we went there. Exactly. And so we have this now inside of ourselves as a reference point. Yes. And the mushrooms didn't really give it to you, you gave it to you, the mushrooms were just a permission slip for your mental body to deactivate the implant that was disallowing you from accessing that multi dimensional experience in the first place. Oh, I like that explanation so much. Yes. Alleluia. Alleluia. Do lyrite do their delirians. I think I'm so from there. Anyway, to the planet. That's fascinating because they have a very strong relationship with the ferrets delirians. I didn't know that that's interesting lions and fairies. Yes, this goes back to a galactic history piece that I started channeling about. Maybe a decade ago, or so about the first Earth, which is a planet that existed outside of Orion's belt that was inhabited by fairies physically incarnate fairies who had access to fit dimensional technology full access to their 5D technology in a civilization called La Moria. You know, there are two stories about La Moria, right that there was a La Moria off Earth, and then La Moria was on this planet and none of those, like ever fully resonated with me and what I finally got as I began to access the story was, oh, La Moria started on another planet and then was brought to this planet. So the fairies, the Orion Wars started, the lyrans were part of that, the Pleiadians, the Sirens, there was just, it was like the worst, it was like Star Wars right up there. And the fairies didn't want any part of it. The La Morians on the first Earth were like, yeah, no thanks. We were not interested in that. So they created a cloaking technology that made the planet invisible. A few hundred years past, everyone forgot that that planet even existed, the war continued, it was like a thousand years war. The lyrans, there was a lyrans starship that, as I'm telling this story, I need to say, right, maybe this is mythology, maybe this is metaphor, maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, doesn't really matter. The story has meaning. The lyrans spaceship badly damaged, entered the atmosphere of the first Earth and the fairies, the La Morians made a decision to let that ship land. The lyrans and the fairies, the La Morians, then began a relationship with one another, they just fell in love with each other, the lyrans being these highly advanced technological and intellectual beings who were connected to their emotions. So they're not like the Xenobiticula that have had disconnected their emotions. They're very emotional, but intellect was prioritized. They love the fairies, right? It was like, oh my God, right, like your love of the fairies. They're like, oh my God, look at these beings and look what they can do. And holy shit, they do that with their bodies and we have to make a machine to do it. And then the Pleiadians and Sirens got together. They couldn't get to the Lyra star system and the planets there. So they formulated a plan to destroy the first Earths. And the lyrans got wind of it, staged a rescue mission. There was no way to defend the planet. And I mean they did try it, but there was no way to really, because there were no defenses at that point on the planet. And for the fairies who had, this is like the archetypal metaphor for spiritual bypassing. The fairies, La Morians, instead of being engaged in what was happening in the universe, they disappeared themselves for 300 years. And as they came back into full view, they had 300 years worth of karmic baggage and energy to catch up on. Right. So, the first Earth was destroyed. Many of those beings came here to this world. There was a lyran fairy hybrid created. And that's what they look like a lyran fairy hybrid. I'm not visual. I'm not visual. So I don't get information visually, like you're asking. Right. So I don't, I don't have a seeing. I don't have a way to see it. I have the energy of at the understanding of it. Then there was another hybrid created where that architect that prototype the lyran fairy, La Morian hybrid, they picked earthlings that they thought were a bit more expanded intellectually and will those genetics into the earthly construct when La Moria fell on this world prior to La Moria falling those hybrids were sent to Atlantis.  I've never heard that before. Thank you so much. And how interesting because I that was actually my question, which and you went so much deeper. What was that connection the lyrans and the La Morians, both places I feel some kind of connection and probably most people do and especially maybe if you're in California, right. Very, very, very, very interesting. And do you think we those of us who came back from that time have have a different purpose, other than the collective purpose. This is the play it ends here. We wouldn't necessarily say different because everyone has individual right things they wanted to do. Yes, you have an individual thing individual purpose. Yes. It's just, there was a desire prior to incarnating to access those records. One of the things that's happening right now on your world is your society, very much parallels and reflects what was happening prior to the fall of Atlantis. Right. And from our perspective Atlantis fell because the yin and yang energy tore apart. And as the yin and yang male female but we don't like to use gender terms right now, we use yin and yang as those energies ripped apart. The physical manifestation was the sinking of the continent and other natural disasters and Atlantis did not fall in a day it took decades for that all to physically play out. So it looks like on your world right now, you have a repeat of this. It looks like you're becoming more divided actually from our perspective what's happening is the yin is beginning to rise again. It's causing a lot of discomfort for anyone who's holding on to patriarchal constructs when the when the world became yang dominant. And that happens during the fall of Atlantis the world became yang dominant. So if the yin is rising it's causing all of this discomfort. It's being highlighted then in again all of these distortions of fear manifesting as hate, but the yin is rising it's not it's not going to stop. So what's happening from our perspective right now is not a tearing apart is actually what we're calling re unification. Right, right. Yeah, the underbelly has to be shown in order to be healed and for the light to be shown on it. Yes, I agree uncomfortable but still necessary terribly uncomfortable and I don't in any way want to say that the suffering that is happening is good. It's not, it doesn't feel good to me it's not good. Doesn't feel necessary. The suffering is happening due to resistance because those who are holding on to the patriarchal structures from that place of fear, until their fingers are bleeding right that's what it feels like to me. That's, that's the issue. If there could be just a relax into the heart and an embrace of the in rising and we do need an overbalance of yen right now, because we've been yang dominant on this world so we are going to have to skew with the other way for a bit of time until we find that true equitable balance. I'm fascinated to see how it will play out and then I'm also very aware of just the devastation you know I'm also really politically active. I worked on two presidential campaigns, while being a direct voice channel, they knew that's what I did and I was very much welcomed into the fold and as I got involved, I questioned whether it was appropriate kind of like that person questioning whether it was appropriate for me to talk about trans rights right I questioned the appropriateness and yes show the pleiadians all of them were like, Of course, politics are huge on your world why wouldn't you bring your love to that energy. Wouldn't you fight as an agent of change in that way. Yes. Yeah, I'm highly aware to and thank you for doing that work that's really big to step up and take action put put your talents where your mouth is you know where the energy is required. I mean I'm watching Texas as an indicator right now and everything with abortion rights and what's going on with these new pills and medications and so forth and women's bodies and I'm watching other countries, some of them run around. Yes, and they're terrible suppression. Yeah, and punishment of women. I mean, yeah. It's real right like that's that's whether this is an illusion or not.  And these are real lives. Yes, just like the Nazis were real. That happened. The end. Right, there's real pain and suffering. And I deal with a lot of that and past life trauma that comes up so often Holocaust trauma. It's so interesting and then there's also the idea of second generation. I mean I'm a genetic trauma, ancestral trauma it's carried in the body. Yes. Yeah, there's yeah and for those of you who are listening and probably most of you, you your lineage has directly been involved in the kind of war I'm a second generation my father, his story with the Holocaust it's a movie. It's beyond what he and his family went through and not everybody made it out but you know and I learned early on in my 20s when I think I was doing something and I met a rabbi and he heard he asked me questions I told him a little my, my family story and he said oh your second generation and I had never heard that word and he said oh sweetie, you should go to a group, because you don't even realize things that are playing out in your life that have nothing to do with you. It was your father's and his mother and father and their experience but it's, it's here genetically and you carry that trauma and wow, how very interesting, how very interesting to explore that and what big shoulders we have to clean up for our lineage and our ancestors that you know most of us are very capable of doing that. Yes. My first past life memory was being in the Warsaw ghetto. I was eight years old when I had the memory. I didn't know what the hell I was remembering came in a dream but it was very clear that as I got older and learned about the Holocaust that that is what I had been remembering. Wow. And how did you work with that because that's pretty big. You know initially was just a fascination of that period of time and feeling the horror of it as I've done Reiki and other healing work it's you know I, I'm not going to say that I've healed completely. The circumstances of that journey, because I don't see completion in when it comes to healing I see evolution, but my perspective is that we're always healing we're on the spectrum of healing that's brought me such relief to be honest to me. Right. I used to think like, I gotta finish this healing thing before this life ends or whatever. Right. So when it comes up for me I recognize, oh, that's what's coming up for me right now. Right. Like, when I hear Holocaust deniers my rage gets immediately activated. Immediately. And that's that's that unhealed trauma. Right. And the rage then that just the inability to actually see what has happened on the ground on this world to want to bypass that in some way. Amazing. The last group I'm interested in is the angelics. And I don't know if that for you includes the Elohim at all because I've a lot of fascination with the Elohim. I don't use that term so I'm going to say no, but I've definitely met others who have strong when I talk about the angelics it's it's typically usually the Archangel Michael. He's my, he's my bae. He's your, your boo. John and I, John and I have my husband and I, he's actually not my husband I call him my husband because after 24 years together there's not really another word that describes it right but we're not legally married, because we're also aquariums so we like to issue any traditional He and I, so we are right partners. He and I both like the thing we love like Michael to me is just this big powerful loving presence that both encourages the speaking of truth. Sometimes the darkest hardest truths. So he's very much a facilitator when I'm doing when I'm work in shadow work, whether I'm channeling him or not, right and I don't often direct voice channel Michael did a lot more of channeling of Michael. So, you know, years and years ago, now I'm primarily the Pleiadians Jesuit and Ursula. There's like my big, my big three is kind of what I'm known for, but Michael's always there. But John and I also have this joke about Michael, anything that happens on this world that we don't like is his fault, for some reason that's like we feel like that's probably an inside joke that we just have with that group of beings. I'm not a Pleiadians here, but there's a question you have about Angelics. So from our perspective there's an angelic realm that is present on every dimension. So one of the reasons why Angelics were the first kind of really the first to be really accepted on planet Earth you see it in all of your religious texts is because they are present with you in the third dimension they just don't take physical form, well they can take physical form. They can and they do at times. Yes, I once I know I once had an angel help me out at the side of the road.  He got out he fixed my he changed my tire. I went to get some money for him just to thank him he was gone. I didn't even see his car, it was gone. So, I know that Angelics can, and that is because they are able to inhabit every single dimension. And I can't say more than that because I'm asking this question right now and I can't get the answer right so there's still things that like my mental body, as much as I've taken in just doesn't can't comprehend I'm trying to what I'm trying to ask right now is, are there beings who are always only angelic the pleidians are like no you know that you know the answer to that question is no, but there are beings. So when you first choose to incarnate when you go up and reintegrate with the angelic form, you can come back in angelic form. I do know and have worked with a lot of humans who carry a lot of angelic energy with them. That to me feels like it's in their records where they have inhabited, they've incarnated in angelic times. Those who have that really strong angelic energy, from my experience, are typically super sensitive, really empathic, very much perfectionists, and have a really hard time being human. That can be a byproduct of bringing that angelic energy through the physical body. That's a fascinating answer. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Yeah, the question I had. Well, I don't know if it's a question, but when you said, Archangel Michael is his, he speaks the truth. I had such a pain, like, immediately right here in my head was fascinating. I don't know what that is, but it was like that expression and I don't understand what it means. I don't know what it means, but I know it felt really powerful to hear you say that, that that is, that is, I don't know a job of his a mission of his his way of being. Yeah, what does that mean exactly the truth.  Just very clear. Right. For you what you experienced there may have been a deactivation of an outdated implant about your belief system around angelics, and kind of embracing a bigger understanding of the angelic energy, and the force it can take the one of the other things Michael does is that energy is very much in support of children and children who need protection. The angelic energy will often sit with a child who is being abused to offer some protective shielding, whatever can be offered energetically in those moments. Oh, we need to let Michael. Yes and that goes hand in hand with the truth speaking. Excellent. Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. And, and I like that explanation I'll take it, you know, any, any kind of old outdated implant to be gone. I want to be fully here.  They really are equipped. I'm, I'm impressed. I know people, people who are older love to say oh you know the younger generation, when I was a kid, all that stuff and I've never felt like that actually look at them like, again and be your age. I'm obviously with what I know but also with these. Yes, the challenges but there's amazing opportunities now and ways that they be with each other of acceptance in an expression that I didn't have growing up and I, oh, and opportunities I think it's beautiful. I completely agreed, like the sexual and gender fluidity of this, these younger be I'm bisexual.  And today it's just so I have so many clients with bisexual kids who are just like oh yeah they're bisexual and they're like it's nothing.  Yeah, exactly you know I have a family member who came out young and so I'm just trying to protect everybody but one of the family members was saying to his sister, you know something about it to open up that relationship and she's a big like whatever he's not whatever he's this he's whatever and it's like, yes, you know having and I'm sure you can relate having grown up in theater. You know for me, when I was so young when I started going to summer stock camp. And so I don't know. I was nothing years old, maybe eight years old 10 years old at a summer stock 12 I don't know, but I fell in love with the dance teacher, and oh you know cutie, you can't love him like that because he's in love with a male piano player and he was a male to and I'm like, Oh, and so for me was just like, Oh, well bummer for me, and I moved on. And so I was introduced to that whole arena of that whole buffet of choices. Yeah, and it's just how we existed and you know people who are performers. It's just ancient times. This is what we know and, and I also want to say the word ancient comes out of me. This has been going on since add in fun item. Yeah, hello. This is nothing new.  They're not culture wars happening. They're real. There's real hatred right now being magnified to do unhealed trauma and distortions of fear. That's it. Yeah. And often, I got to tell you, their choices have nothing to do with you and never interfere with you will never. You know, I can't say they won't cross paths because maybe you work with them but I mean this has to happen an old old old job I had where, thank God this company honored everything and, you know, yeah sometimes we had males come into the female bathroom because XYZ and it was it was fascinating. Like, it is, it just is and my God there's so many bigger things. Yes, yes. Yes. And so Nora, what do you do every day to keep yourself grounded centered healthy happy. All of that you have a practice or ritual. Oh yeah no. I don't. It was just, and that's kind of like my method right is, as opposed to, I mean if I need to sit down and breathe for a minute I might, right if I need to go in and find some joy in my body I might. But for me, it's more outwardly expressing my joy is and love as often as I can in my life and in the community, I will say that my dogs are huge help. Being in Ohio in this amazingly beautiful small town and natural environment is a huge help right there things. I'm very fortunate and I recognize that I am fortunate to be able to live where I live and have the life that I have right and I still struggle I think we all struggle, but I'm very grateful. I think I put my attention there as well because I channel all the time. I also don't have kind of a regular practice personally, because it's just, it's always happening it's in session or out or it's just, I'm just always feeling connected and again that doesn't mean I don't have a bad day, or week. I can have a bad week, just like anyone else. I love the question. Thank you where can people work with you where what's the best way do you have events coming up. Oh, thank you. Yes, so I'm available for private sessions via phone and internationally via Skype I'm just working by audio right now. And I'm not seeing people in person I kind of stopped doing that part of living in a small town is understanding how to be in a small town in Ohio is is a very small town and at some point I realized. I would be inviting community members into my home for healing and then running into them at the grocery store, you know, three hours later so. But I do also do monthly transmissions, where the pleidians Ursula yes well this is predominantly the pleidians and then those two show up as well as Adams will well channel for a half hour to 45 minutes then we'll do q amp a with the volunteers. And then I do bigger events like have a spring equinox event happening on the 21st that's also by teleconference. So that's a two hour long event. It'll be more dense channeled information and then q amp a more, more topically. I'm teaching reiki classes via zoom, and I have a channeling class coming up via zoom that's a three week class so john and I teach those classes together and he's always present in I'm pointing to him because that's where his room is his office his music studio john is also a composer. There's a music thing happening here as well interfacing. He, the channeling class is really just so much fun. We did two rounds of the let over the last six months so this will be our third round of channeling class coming in open to anybody and I just had experiences or none at all. I've had. Often people come in saying I've never ever experienced contact. And by the end of the, even the end of the first day there's contact established and those classes are very small so I can work one on one when needed. Excellent. Also, do you do you or the pleiadians activate people to help this to facilitate this to happen so they can channel. Yes. That's huge. That's, and that's a part of the class that's, that's just, it's also part of working with me one on one that energy is just present for that. Yeah. Yeah, that's so awesome I'm curious so it sounds like the best thing is to sign up on your website. Yes, started Nora. Thank you. Okay, Harold. You can sign up there or look at the events specifically and register. Yes. And my dear, my God, I have loved this time with you more than there are words. So I just energetically send that to you for real. This is dear to dream. What are you next year to dream what are your future desires and creations. That's my dream for me like John and I rent we'd like to own our own home. So that is a dream. I think about the world right now of course my dream for the world is that we live in an equitable reality where everyone's basic and primary needs are easily met and more. That's my bigger dream. I'm not ready to say that for now. There's something else I'm working on but I'm not ready to say it out loud. Okay, well I support you in all of those including the unmentioned but still that is in the inception. Thank you project creation. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you for being here to see and be a witness for all of those to come true for you. You are welcome back on the show for sure. And again folks Nora Harold.com. And I end today's show with this quote from Leo Buscaglia. And their answers would determine whether they could continue their journey in the afterlife. The first question was, did you bring joy. And the second was, did you find joy. 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