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something very integrative and majorly up-leveling for you as far as I'm concerned if you've been someone who's been seeking healing if you've been healed and you're ready for even more if you're someone who just loves loves leaving behind the shackles that keep you back but you're ready to progress forward in a big awesome happy easy way this is the way also John Jacob is a licensed practitioner at Agape International Spiritual Center located a maybe a mile from where I am so he is super close by part of the time he's in California part of the time he is in Costa Rica and we're here to talk a little bit about the experience of sacred plant medicine and he's gonna offer insight in that and also on some umbilical cord stem cell therapy which I'm a total nerd about so I'm looking forward to if this is ready in your coffee feeling this<PHONE_NUMBER> call that number for Rhythmia or go to Rhythmia.link slash Dashinger check it out they'll know you came through me and they're gonna treat you like the God and goddess that you are and John Jacob welcome to Dare to Dream it's so great to have you thank you so much it's really a pleasure to be here thank you you prefer John Jacob or do you prefer JJ you know I go by both I really don't have a preference my spiritual teacher Michael Bernard Beck was said John Jacob Mubarak is a strong name it's your name you should have it but those people dear to me call me JJ and I like both so I'm good either way that's awesome okay so maybe we will be fluid with that I also like John Jacob I think that's got power I see what's behind you so I must ask are you there right now are you at Rhythmia in Costa Rica while we speak I am I'm a beautiful one Acosta Costa Rica on the property of Rhythmia our guest speaker this week is Michael Bernard Beckwood so it's just been a high-powered week sold out this week and so much transformation so much healing is going on so yes I'm grateful here at our center what is a day like for you while you're there while you're working sun comes up you wake up alarm no alarm how does your day unfold working there thank you so here at Rhythmia you are you know we're an all-inclusive resort so you're really here right the intention is that you're here for a week retreat and my day starts around 4 30 in the morning I get up and well yeah 4 30 I'm up between 4 30 and 4 40 and I sit for meditation at 5 I meditate from 5 to 6 and then at 6 o'clock I go out and and move some sort of movement and Costa Rica is so beautiful to be in the plants in the trees in the nature the vibrance this garden of Eden so I work out outside and we have a beautiful gym here inside when there's outside equipment and so you know I work out for an hour and move and then I come to roots which is our our dining room and people are waking up from from the night they've been in ceremony tonight before there's a yoga class going on and I usually post myself up in the dining room and and talk to people about their journey how was last night some people are you know had an amazing transformational experience other people were releasing something working through so I spend some time in the morning talking to guests and then come back to get ready for the day and then it's meetings or you know projects and and being with guests and stem cells and classes teaching classes that just sort of unfolds the beautiful thing about this work that I get to do here is that it uses all of me so I have you know been the food and beverage director at different hotels and restaurants that run international import and export businesses that's not a euphemism for drugs I wasn't you know El Chapo okay petroleum industry importing NAPTA in Mexico I taught industrial engineering in Guadalajara and English so I guess what I'm trying to say is that that all of the things that brought me here to this moment here in this property I get to speak teach use my spiritual training with Reverend Michael to walk this path of healing with people every day use my business background my hotel and restaurant management background my Spanish background my international business background all being brought to bear in this amazing opportunity the spirit is put in front of me a little like that and did you say music background no I mean I amateur I've sung in choirs and played instruments on my life but nothing professional okay I was like wow this is this is really a renaissance man I'm impressed enough you could have stopped you know five sentences ago well you bring up the name of somebody I'm I'm such a mad for Michael Bernard Beckwith and he's been on the show three times and I interviewed him on the red carpet and of course I go to Agape now and then and I I'm just mad for him I think he is so special and so beautifully built for this time and our our needs and our voices and so the fact that you you're sort of a descendant of him is is very special and I think it's so beautiful that even though you're there now and he's often here that you guys still as he comes often to the center that you get to continue your journey with him what is that like when you reconnect it's so wonderful he is my teacher and and to be in his presence he was working with people yesterday in class you know frequently at Rhythmia there's morning metaphysical classes that are our regular classes and then in the afternoon we usually have a guest speaker that does the classes and you know to watch this man people were people are realizing long-seated abuse that they've suppressed or repressed and it's coming up and this is big stuff and they're raw they're vulnerable they've gone through a ceremony or two and it's all brought to the surface and it's all right there and he to watch the way he works with people folding them love but also with just the right amount of ability to dig a little deeper to not give up and not let them off the hook but do it in a loving manner so I'm constantly learning from this man and his teachings and the words just slow out of him so beautifully so to reconnect with him is it's like reconnecting with family and the whole community he brings Reverend Kathleen McNamara who is the head of the agape practitioner corps Lee's and Brown who is the executive director of his office that come with him as well and so we come together and it's it's we've been together for years and years it's like family and and it's just a joy it's a joy to continuously learn how did you meet Jerry did you meet Jerry the owner who runs with me through your own experience personally this is a great example of how we don't have to figure out figure it out right we're all looking for the next iteration of our life right so at this time I used to be the sale oh another thing I used to do I was the sales manager for a yacht company in marina del Rey and for 10 years and while I was there I started studying with Michael and begin studying as a spiritual practitioner which is a four-year licensing program it's no joke it's a serious program so as I think finished my study with Reverend Michael and just getting licensed it my oral boards and licensure and all of those things I was started to think how am I gonna transition out of a lucrative position as a you know sales manager for this this yacht company and not lose the abundance in which I live so like like most of us would do I started thinking well how am I gonna you know figure this out well if I but I want to be a practitioner and see clients which is like a spiritual counselor I got to get an office and I got to see so many clients a week and I got to charge this much a session and and I start going down that path how to transition out of one career to and out of the blue friend of mine I mean of course I knew about with me but it wasn't on my radar like and I got a call out of the room from a friend of mine who was working with him so he said we've got this the stem cell procedure here it's really beautiful we need somebody to come help sell it but they can't just be a you know slimy salesperson we need some of the spiritual we need a spiritual salesperson and I thought well if anybody was prepared for that that would be me so I came down and watch how spirit moves my boss who is beautiful man my boss at the yacht company but very meat and potatoes don't give many of this spiritual right you know I say to him look I'm considering moving to Costa Rica and I'd like to take a couple weeks and go go down and check this out he said I hope you go down there and you hate it you come back and work with me for the rest of your life but I want to make sure that you're happy so why don't you take the third or the fourth quarter off go down there and make sure it's right for you and guess what I'm gonna pay my pay you to go down and make sure it's right you'll keep your salary and at any time that you want to come back at that quarter you can come back talk about a spirit supporting me so I was able to transition with ease and grace came down and started running the stem cell clinic here and it was at that time that I met Jerry and then over the course of just sort of focusing on the stem cells he then said hey I see a greater opportunity for us to work together and offered me the position as the assistant director and what that looks like is I replace Jerry when he has to go away on business or the personal issues I come down and run the tree walk the spiritual path that people teach classes and and run the resort the physical plant maintenance and daily running of the business and then when he's down here I went our corporate offices up in Malibu so that's how I met Jerry amazing that really is getting out of the way for the divine to come in and direct your life and how beautiful that your boss gave you that kind of space to make a choice fully supported financially and otherwise that's that's really a great story this wasn't a guy who this isn't a spiritual guy right this isn't open you know whom by y'all let me you know circulate and make sure no no no I don't know I don't think he's ever done that he's been in business for 30 years I don't think he's ever done that so this is when when when it says you know spirit moves in mysterious ways like life supports us and when when when we're in alignment with something unforeseen assistance is an unexpected good comes from unexpected places in unexpected ways right and and and but when we try and figure it out we're getting in the way so try how the how is in our business let the how be the wow we just have to just have to know our intention a clear intention right and that intention is what interfaces with the creative medium and allows something unexpected to understand all right well people who come down who have not had this experience before and maybe have not had the experience specifically with Rhythmia that so they get involved with what we're calling a ceremony and it involves a shamanic plant medicine and I understand it there becomes once it's drunk there becomes a relationship so to speak with the with the medicine how do we best listen to the medicine how can we be open to hear what it's telling us guiding us showing us yes beautiful question so I believe in pan consciousness and believe that there's a consciousness to everything right and look to science for this truth the first law of thermodynamics says energy is needed created or destroyed but transferred and conveyed into different forms I'm gonna ask you just to get a little closer to your mic sure so that that energy is neither created nor destroyed but transferred and conveyed into various forms Einstein special theory of relativity says e equals mc squared e is energy m is mass or matter and they're on different sides of the people sign that means energy is matter taking those two scientific principles we can say that there's an energy and a vibration to everything that that the chair you're sitting in is just slowed stored energy the same energy that's animating you whether it's animate or inanimate so then from that place I can say I believe in pan consciousness that there's an energetic consciousness to everything this medicine has a consciousness it is part of that singular energy when we ingest this it's not showing us anything it is it is simply showing us ourselves here's what happens we each have so many aspects so many facets there's our mental body or spiritual body our emotional body there's our ego there's our subconscious our unconscious you know we need a bus just to get you up to the temple for ceremony right when we drink this medicine it all everything gets drunk except our soul right and that still small voice that we all hear that's neither still nor small we just generally ignore it it's always guiding us I've heard it and and definitely said now I'm doing something else right so when you drink the medicine that still small voice that that usually gets swallowed up with all the cacophony of our ego and all the other subtle bodies they're all drunk and for the first time we hear our soul and that's the medicine that's what it's doing it's allowing us it's a sacred mirror that reflects and reveals the things within us that are seeking to be healed oh my god I just had such a strong like moment when you said that which is because the words you were using and I suddenly felt like when you describe it like that it is almost like we are drunk during our waking time so much so that we've numbed out the voice that's actually trying to communicate with us and when we drink the shamanic plant medicine the reverse happens that over is up and it's actually has the presence to be able to finally show us talk to us communicate and we now have the presence and we're out of our own way to listen that's exactly it and sometimes you know the medicine has a high vibration this plant is a very high vibratory frequency and the law of entrainment in physics there's a law of entrainment that says higher vibratory entities will not lower to a lower vibration but will raise the lower to the higher so the medicine has a high vibration when we drink those things that are within us that are lower vibratory frequencies fear doubt worry not enough miss all of those things that that the limited thought right that must go it either has to rise up or be removed and so the first process of the medicine so that we can really hear ourselves as we begin to purge right shape or cry or laugh or yawn or sweat or puke or right something has to be released if it's not going to vibrate it has to go and once we remove these blocks right that's the process of the medicine is up leveling us so that anything that no longer serves us goes and now we're vibrating at the frequency of the medicine and now here and see the voice of the divine within us that's always speaking to us wow okay that just cleared something big up and so along these lines I know it said that it's good to sometimes have an idea okay there's a couple of issues I'd like to address that I'm going to come down with perhaps I'll write down these issues and we may walk into the ceremony but what about what about what we actually focus on because I understand also understand the element of no expectation that is very interesting dichotomy so let's say we go in we have some idea yeah I'd like to handle this and this it's pervasive in my life and yet the plant shows us something completely different that has nothing to do with how we even entered the ceremony or what we wanted to address so talk about that what would that scenario be like well there's a couple of things that you it's a great question there's a couple of things to unpack there the first is that that rhythm and we have group intentions right people come with lots of things they want to work on we say plant medicine done wrong answers every question right but plant medicine done right eliminates the questions explain that what do you mean so big you know a lot of times we're like well is this the right job for me is Jim the right guy for me is you know all of these things right well okay if Jim's not who is Bob where's Bob Bob is in Florida we're in Florida Miami okay you know like it'll answer all these questions right the answer is within you and but but you've wasted this whole precious sacred time on these questions whereas we're not wanting to know whether working at you know Bear Stern or whatever is the right you know Merrill Lynch is the right job but but when you when you are in line with your soul when you are in tune with the infinite there's a deep knowing and there are no more questions because you know this is for me that's not for me there's just it's there's clarity so plant medicine eliminates all of the minutia of is this right should I do that should I do should I not no I know what I need to do I know where I want to go I know who I am that resonates with me that doesn't resonate with me that that's the clarity that's provided in plant medicine so we have three intentions the first intention is show me who I've become right show me who I've become as a result of the split that occurred from some trauma right and the trauma could be I didn't get fed on time or it could be something really big like you know abuse but it's by design that we split and we split to protect ourselves from from because because our needs weren't met we need to get our needs met and it serves us for a time but but after a while we were playing a character we're playing a role and and and we frequently feel like I'm no longer satisfied with this I'm not satisfied with this job with this life with this relationship with whatever so we want to see who we've become as a result of that split once we can see who we've become the role that we've been playing in life and it's based on a fundamental lie that we're not enough then we can merge back to a sense of wholeness we can merge back with our soul when we're merged with our soul finally we're hearing the voices of the divine we're hearing the voice the voice of our own higher self for the first time perfect clarity and then we can heal ourselves heal the heart heal the the unforgiveness so so that's the intention of ceremony that we eliminate the questions now that there was there was another part of what you were talking about which is you know wanting to get these answers right and intentionality is the key so we we we state these intentions and then allow allow the medicine to work because the medicine wants us to merge back with our soul but it's not going to merge back until we can see what the fundamental lie that we've been telling ourselves is so we got to see what that keystone lie is and this is why people leave here in a week transformed I just did another my own talk on the healing that occurred on Tuesday night people are saying I drank as medicine I released 30 years of trauma and abuse I forgave my abuser and I am free free from this free from the past free to to soar you know people are forgiving the unforgivable falling in love with themselves healing themselves and and then by by that by team healing themselves they're healing their relationships they're healing their work environment they're healing their family right because they're healing themselves very very very well and so if this is true and that occurs while they're there and I know you have a 96 percentile rate so let's just talk about that because that's so huge guess who come report 96 percent of them say yeah my life completely changed by virtue of coming here and doing this even more outstanding is months and months and months months later you check back in they report the same let's talk about that report so once people leave rhythmic they've already had this profound change does the change continue once they leave beautiful so yes the statistic is a moving statistic because we keep this data from inception from the day we open to today so as of today the miracle rate is ninety four point eight six percent cumulative so we've had over fifty five hundred people here so out of that ninety almost ninety five percent of those people have said I received my miracle and that miracle is I saw who I've become emerged with my soul and I healed my heart and that's upon us an exit survey but you know people go to seminars and retreats all the time and day three I got it this is great and then a week later it's gone right later when we check in with people ninety seven point five percent of those people that said they got their miracle say that this was the week that changed their lives so it's not undone right you can't undo it it's permanent change we can take on some old habits and things like that but this merger is yours forever why for why when people come for their week stay at this luxury resort so they receive four ceremonies so everything that's done here was really given to Jerry by the moon right he did his own journey he was at a breaking point in his life suicidal deeply addicted to drugs and multiple drugs all women yeah the whole thing bad guy right you know he says he had the kind of energy where he could walk into a CVS and just piss people off by standing in line you know she's so different now I know so he when he had his journey he received this guidance that said you're gonna buy a place in Costa Rica and only light workers and light warriors are gonna come there and and he followed this guidance and then he did another four you know 200 journeys asking the questions and everything that's here was directly a revelation and an insight from from ceremony so that's why we have the ozonated cleanses here so you're doing a colonic with ozone water you're doing yoga and meditation and breathwork and farm the table meals and you know walks to the beach and metaphysical classes and for ceremonies right so it's all been given to him through insight and revelation in his own spiritual journeys and inquisition inquiries and how you mentioned going to roots after you've done your meditation and your your physical movement when you're ready to connect with people they're just waking up after their ceremonies they're eating at the farm to table restaurant you talked to them about their ceremony are there other ways that you connect with the rhythmic guests and you serve as a spiritual counselor yes you know I I sometimes teach classes here but really the beautiful thing about this is your your it's you're in not only myself we have this amazing holistic team these people so amazed and impressed with them they are right so this is whole team here to support you not just a few people but really high ratio of guests to staff and the staff are here to support you in this journey so we're connecting at roots we're connecting at the pool we're connecting yoga we're connecting you know all through the week in classes it's it's this beautiful space where people are are in you it's a retreat right you you retreat to move forward right you're taking time out of the busy goings and comings of our day in order to to settle into to contemplate and so we're here in that process with them gonna take a very quick break and we'll be back with more and I'll be asking JJ about universal principles which is something that he teaches and I'd love to know more about and besides going to the people choice awards for the podcast or podcast awards calm I also invite you to patreon.com slash there to dream this show is a place in a space where I feature very successful cutting-edge leaders who are doing the amazing work opening the doors for all of us and of course the show necessitates quite a bit to keep it running business-wise and behind the scenes so if you're moved if you're ready to live a big bold life if you are ready to do whatever it is you're called to do and know that you cannot fail it's the math it's as they say you actually cannot fail then go to patreon.com 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that would be 877-829-93 79 so I do want to go there and ask you John Jacob about your studies your journeys that you've come to know that there are universal principles that govern our life can you share a little bit about what those universal principles are absolutely so universal principle is the backbone of new thought teaching new thought ancient wisdom we can see these principles throughout the wisdom traditions of the ages you know one principle is that we live in a expansive universe right or that the universe is fundamentally good right and you can say well how's that possible it's not universal principle I mean look at all the bad things that are happening right but when we anchor into universal principle this truth is true all the time they are principles that govern our lives and when we can anchor into them they provide us with a deep and fundamental understanding and up-leveling to overcome the vicissitudes of life for example when I say that life is good the universe is good or God is good right whatever whichever you want to use and when we speak of God we're not talking about some you know anthropomorphized person in the sky we're talking about a presence that is never absent it is everywhere in its forms that is the consciousness the wisdom intelligence the creativity the fundamental energy this is the presence of God so is when when the presence is good or the universe is fundamentally good how do we know that we know it because life doesn't contradict itself love is the lodestone of life love is the principle that the universe is loving why because if it because we know love builds we know love creates and hate destroys if somebody is hateful you can see it they grow old faster out illness out pictures quicker you know this is that you can see the destruction that hate reeks you know the habit that it reeks out in the world love builds the universe is constructive the universe is progressive it is expanding and if it wasn't nothing could be so these universal principles that that another principle is that God is omniscient omnipotent all knowing all loving all powerful and all active that it's the only activity these are principles that we can anchor into and know that if life is good always no matter what the appearances are then there's always something good seeking to emerge let me just amplify that a little bit yeah so imagine that you're on the ground during a hurricane right chaos when this blowing sea walls water you know it's chaotic and dangerous right and now you're 30,000 feet above in a plane and you can look down at the ground and you can start to see some order emerge you can see there's a grid to the streets and houses are in rows and orderly you can see that there's you know neighborhoods that you can start to see some order even though on the ground it's crazy and now you're on a satellite and you're looking down at the earth and you see something almost beautiful the swirl of the hurricane the weather pattern the white and the blue and there's beauty and harmony and balance right but all of it is happening at the same time it's all happening now there's chaos there is order there's harmony and so when we anchor in principle it helps us to lift our minds above confusion no matter what is happening in our current circumstance to see the truth the order that the universe is order that the universe is loving the universe is balanced and harmonious so we're not saying that the experiences that we're having in life chaos trauma hurt that we're not saying they're not real we're not saying they suppress them or bypass them but their unreality lies in our interpretation of them and so anchoring the spiritual principle then helps us to lift our minds above confusion and see the truth no matter what is in our circumstance and our parents and when we do that we transform we can see the invisible we can this is Reverend Michael we can see the invisible we can hear the inaudible and we can do the impossible oh my god it does completely beautifully explained how can people actually make that connection to spirit in such a way that they supersede that and merge those three aspects so it's a constant you know constant constant growth right and and we the beautiful thing about a principle like God is love or these these ancient and esoteric mystical truths right it's in the Kabbalah it's in the hermetic rights it's it's in Hinduism it's in Judaism it's in Islam it's in Catholicism it's all every every you know every one of these great wisdom traditions has that truth in it God is love right and but that simple phrase it is accessible has multiple access points so the person that hears it for the first time has a certain understanding of it and hearing it for the thousands thousands time you have a different understanding so you begin where you are you start where you are there's an interest there's a curiosity and you start by finding a spiritual community you start by sacred study you start by serving you start by meditation and prayer you start where you are and these principles deepen because they are you can enter at a beginning level and then there's always more so it's the it's this beginning process just start where you are JG what did you learn from I'm assuming you took some of grandmother's medicine yourself at least once and I'm assuming you might have had some kind of shift happened some kind of new awareness do you mind to share what you learned about yourself oh my goodness I would be so grateful in fact I just shared this on my Facebook live recently I journeyed last Tuesday just a couple days and you know as much I've been in the I've been studying with Reverend Michael for 10 years I'm still a newbie there's many people that have studied much longer than me but but I've I've achieved a certain level of understanding of these principles and even so you know this is eternal there's always more we're never we've never it's never that there's a place to get right it's it's always more to unfold so I'll share this and be very vulnerable with you and say that I was having these experiences where I go have a beautiful expansive experience with somebody share talk and then later that day hours later I might be alone at home and I would start with self-doubt self-judgment oh my god I can't believe I said that I say that start comparing myself fear would come in this deep insecurity you know and people see me as this beauty I'm always happy and they oh I wish I had your energy and you're just so boring and it's such a wonderful thing but then you know we all have those moments of deep self-doubt we're human you know so here I was in this moment of contraction literally curled up on my bed after this beautiful expansive experience one night I was at the dinner with friends and then you know I was at home later and going oh can't believe I said that oh my god what are they thinking I want you know just awful awful self-doubt and so I said I want to go to ceremony and I set the intention I said I want to know what this insecurity has to teach me one heal me at the highest level so that I can speak from my authentic self that was my intention so I went into ceremony and I drank the medicine and I begin to you know the first thing you start you get something in your body right you start to feel something move you might feel nauseous you might you know feel some twitching and you know there's something happening in the body right begin to feel that then what we call a pinta right you start to see sacred geometry you start to see some colors beautiful patterns you're seeing the unified fields what you're seeing you're seeing that that that unified field behind on the other side of the veil right trying to glimpse what's more than what we can simply touch with our you know five senses and in the process I began to to there was like a sacred psychic surgery there was a release there was some energy moving through me and a lot of times in medicine it doesn't make sense right sometimes you see a clear vision sometimes what you're seeing doesn't make sense but it's all a prescription just for us because it's allowing us to get clarity around our intention so in this medicine I began to move my body was moving I was feeling energy I could feel this psychic surgery or something being removed from me something and I was purging but not vomiting I was yawning I was breathing out and shaking in my body so this time releasing and I went to one of the shaman and I had a beautiful blessing that they'll use a shindu which is a mixture of herbs and and flowers from the jungle that changes the energy it's like it's like reorganizing your energy when you're having up when you're releasing something you need to be clean as they clean right and they had this beautiful healing and I began to step into this nobility like I began to feel this sense of dignity right instead of it's contracted I'm not good enough and oh my god what did I say and what are they gonna think of me it was like I am John Jacob robotic and I am authentic and I just had this and I walked out to the fire because there was fire going outside the loka is beautiful surrounded by trees and there's hammocks and you can see the moon and the stars and Costa Rica are just so I go outside and I'm just one with life one with love it's bliss you know I've had this expression is purging and and now I'm I'm in the state of life I am I am that which thou art thou art that which I am I'm one with life one with power one with dignity one with my in my spiritual authority and people are looking at me like I just descended from you know the mountain oh my god and I'm feeling this dignity so I'm loving this sense of personal power not an egoic structure but unlike oh my god so humble so at one with life with love with beauty with creativity with excellence with joy with power and feeling that nobility the right which is each of ours right we are sons and daughters of the most high and feeling that like nothing to shrink from I thought that was enough right but wait there's more and I go outside and I'm looking at the stars and just in love with life in this moment the trees and all of a sudden six years ago I divorced my husband and and I I thought I had forgiven him right we we both did stuff right it wasn't all one sided you know I'm gonna claim that but but I thought I was done with that it's been six years I've done all this work and suddenly something came up and I realized that while I wasn't holding grudges against him and I didn't want anything bad to happen to him I also wasn't really wanting the best right that's forgiveness when I can say I want the best for you you know because I was like I'm glad you're not you know living on the street but I'm glad I'm doing better than you but I really got to the point and that wasn't my intention but I forgave him and I said I love you I'm so grateful for all the lessons that you taught me that was so I released insecurity I stepped into my spiritual nobility and dignity I forgave something that I didn't even know that I needed to forgive and I released sorrow I didn't even know that I had and oh my god that was such a profound ceremony you know I walked out and I I just knew that I had released something that had been with me for a long time one other thing that really came that insecurity that comparison is is a darkness it's a not enoughness and it's lack and the spirit is never lacking the spirit is always a bundle so I was also able to look at the darkness and not push it away but to I ate it I welcomed it and I transmuted it I brought all the darkness all the fear all the self-criticism all the self-doubt all the worry and I said come on and I brought it within me and it transformed and and because the lightness and the dark are the same to me right this is the biblical phrase it was one of the songs and and and so I was able to transfer transform that darkness and not to shun it not to suppress it but to invite it in and make it part of me and and and is now there was a transformation there and and became my full light body you know a huge expansion occurred that was Tuesday that's a Tuesday night at Rhythmia and I'm telling you it wasn't just me but then people are sharing releasing 30 years of trauma people forgiving their parents forgiving their perpetrators people falling in love with themselves healing healing physical illnesses psychological disorders I mean people is a sheer it's just a Tuesday night oh my goodness that was a great story I'm beyond the beyonds listening to that and I really feel you in all the pieces that you so vulnerably shared and thank you for trusting us with your story and for allowing us to see the before what happened during and the possibility of the after I can viscerally feel that and and have there's pieces in my life I can really relate to what you're saying so if that's what's possible like Mamma Mia and I just want to speak to what you're saying because I really appreciate how much you're sharing here because I'm starting to have an understanding without even having drunk or done this I'm starting to have an understanding and all I can tell you is when I started this even conversation with Gerard and Brandy and Rhythmia my knowingness I'm supposed to do this was a heck yes I knew I was 100 percent in my nerves were also about the same amount and now as you're my third conversation I've had Dr. Jeff Gerard Powell and now you JJ and I'm like oh I am feeling so at peace with this and because I've done different work and I don't even know how possible it is that it's alike but I have had moments of profundity doing something completely different and it's been a long time but when I did and because I think for my being it spoke so well to me I was literally able to go into the matrix of the situation see the black gook that created it make a choice to discreet see literally all the threads that came out from that one choice or belief and coming back out of course by the way I have to add putting into the no thing because now there's a nothing there right I've just created something putting in what I prefer and what I can say is coming back out here that all those threads you think it's a one belief that you made one time it has affected an entire life everywhere and to see all that yarn just gone and relationships are changed and I'm changed and how I view everything so when you're saying this and it actually sounds like what I'm describing on acid in the best way that you could have that and to forgive that is no joke a relationship of that magnitude what it can inform every other relationship with another man a potential other marriage you know with friends in your life with yourself with your God all of that like I so get that and besides past lives that you may have had with this individual that is such a repairment and I mean I think that's the true meaning of at one minute atonement right you would come one with again beautiful beautiful beautiful you're so right this this process and there's there's so many ways to get there right there's there's meditation and breath work and and really we're all doing this in death right you know that people that are at the end of their lives all of a sudden forgive you they start it's the process they see who they become they merge back to a state of oneness and they heal themselves they can transition right the opportunity with the plant medicine is that it's it's the quickening right meditation is beautiful and I I'm a firm believer in meditation I'm gonna use all the tools like I'm gonna use meditation I'm gonna use sacred study I'm gonna use breath work I'm gonna use healing my body with good whole foods I'm gonna use I'm gonna use stem cells I'm gonna use anything I can to help me support my physical mental and emotional well-being so that I can live my purpose on this life in this life and the the plant medicine is the quickening I mean you know we tell a story here of a guy one of the one of the biggest you know you talked about healing past lives one of the biggest things that can happen on plant medicines was called a nada right and and you it's it's you drink the medicine you kind of yawn lay down and go to sleep and you wake up at the end the shaman goes ceremonies over this shit didn't work what happened but the Colombians 5,000 year tradition in the Colombian tradition says that a nada is a very special sacred sacred moment because the Colombian tradition believes that we come in we come into this form on two lines there's our karmic line all of our past lives and our karmic tradition and then there's our family lineage our DNA our genetic care these two strands and and take form in this dimension and that the medicine assesses you right and sees that somewhere back on one of those lineages many lifetimes ago some trauma that's so severe it must be healed and in its magnanimity it allows you to sleep so that you don't have to go through that healing so a nada is the sign of a really special healing so we tell a story at Rhythmia the man who got nothing and this guy had been working on a trauma he was 50 years old he came here and he he's been working on this problem since he was 15 35 years he's been trying to figure this out and this was like one of his last resorts we get a lot of people that are like I was gonna kill myself and this is my last shot I'm coming you know this is a really sacred place so he comes drinks the medicine I see him the next day and how you doing he goes yeah not so good I said what's going on and I don't think it worked I said what what do you mean it didn't work he goes I drank the medicine and I went to bed and woke up into the ceremony nothing happened I didn't feel anything I said oh I'm sorry to hear that he said but don't worry I figured it out myself 35 years you've been working on this you drank the medicine one night and that's the night suddenly the next day you figured it out yourself no this was that's a nada that's a true nada something was healed so far back that he he'd been struggling with it all of his life and and something happened in that ceremony and the hall mark of a nada is a clarity you feel great the next day you're clear and pristine so so those that's the kind of as you mentioned those like healings way back that's just one of the one of the hallmarks of one of the types of experiences you can have they're very rare one in a thousand people get a real nada clear up because you do hear about that you wonder oh you know what what happens then but I like that it's actually a special thing that can happen and folks by the way if you're listening to this conversation okay where do I call where do I go again John Jacob Mubarak who is the assistant director at Rhythmia Life Advancement Center if you want reservations I'll give you the phone number I'll also give you the website the website is Rhythmia dot link slash dashinger Rhythmia dot link slash dashing or the phone number 877829 93 79 and gosh so much to cover so little time let me ask you this this is dare to dream what are you next dare to dream what are your future dreams or goals so so much is happening here and in this unfolding with with Jerry you know Jerry's walking such a profound really amazing so I'm so excited to walk this path my purpose that I really saw in my studies rather my goals three I first saw that the only thing that really excites me is my own spiritual growth and then to walk that path with others and then the third thing is bigger than I could imagine and and it's scary because Spirit said you need to be in service to an idea of a world that works for the best and highest individual and collective group how the hell am I gonna do that right so when you're saying what's what's the next dream how can I be in service to this grand idea I and what's so beautiful about working with Jerry is it dovetails so nice I get to speak and teach here I get to meet thought leaders from all over the world who are profound people I get to go on podcast with amazing people like you you know this is this is the growth and expansion of community and I myself love doing one-on-one sessions with people it's just so so profound and healing I love speaking and teaching workshops so I'm seeing that that I can serve with me I can serve people here I can walk the path of spiritual growth and develop my own because I'm drinking medicine myself I'm meditating I'm praying I'm doing the movement I'm doing everything that I need to and the further expression speaking fully self-express being fully used by the spirit right fully used I want to be used up because the worst thing that could happen at the end of my life is to say I could have given a little bit and I missed out on this opportunity so that's that's my dream it's so beautiful I I'm going to end this show with a quote from you actually but I feel very moved to ask you if you don't mind quickly to pray us out of the show that would be an honor to receive oh my goodness thank you so just jumping to center in this moment with such gratitude for this beautiful conversation her Debbie and her open hearted willingness to share and her intention for assisting people in their dreams her willingness and her yes for everything is contained within our willingness and our yes I'm so grateful for this life for this day for this opportunity to live for this opportunity for another shot at living our purpose I anchoring to the truth there's one source and one power and one life it is my life it is Debbie's life it is each one listening to our voice all the same one life one source one power and we are one with it we can't be separate from it we are one with all of life one with the love one with the beauty one with the joy one with the energy and the creativity and the abundance knowing that now our minds are lifted above confusion I can say for each one that each one in the sound of my voice is walking in tune with the sunshine of life with the unerring harmony order and balance of the universe that life is supporting them that each one hearing my voice knows that they are loved and supported beyond imagination that everything is working together for their good we now know that there's a spiritual truth of their being at the center of each one's being is a perfection the perfect idea of God and that perfect idea of the spiritual body we now endeavor to associate with their physical body knowing that there's a dynamic healing in every organ action and function of their body that it comes into alignment with the truth of their being one with God one with life one with wholeness that the wholeness and perfection of the center of everything expresses an outpours overflowing the fates of their awareness so that their physical body is healed their emotional body is healed their mental body is healed that the whole body of their affairs comes into this alignment with the oneness of life emotional oneness love and God out picture as as relationships and love and community that that endears us to each other and that this love and light of God unfolds each one of us wraps us in its love and the power of God goes before each one making the crooked ways smooth and the bumpy ways straight I am so grateful to speak this word speaking word of blessing for Debbie as she lives her purpose that her body is a fit instrument so that she can live her grand purpose being in service to life and for each one of us to find that thing that is the true expression of ourselves I'm so grateful to speak this word so grateful for this opportunity I rejoice in its completion I give thanks and it's fulfillment and if you are in vibrational harmony in agreement with me you can join me in saying and so it is and so it is. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Wow. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. My goodness this is beautiful and I am going to still end with JJ's quote because why not have more sumptuousness on this table today and these are his words you deserve to live the life that you love you are here to wake up to your divine purpose when you're in alignment with your higher purpose you will find peace of mind health of body wisdom understanding love and an abundant supply of all things necessary to meet every want without making any of those things the object of your existence next week on dare to dream radio and podcast I'm featuring Christian Minson who's a spiritual life coach speaker and author and Christian is the resident director of the breathwork program at rhythmio life advancement center remember subscribe to dare to dream that will come right into your inbox every week and also if you'd like to see this if you're listening to the podcast or radio show you can actually see myself in the guest and go to youtube.com slash deb on the radio or youtube.com slash debbie dashing or remember to allow the bigness of everything we've been talking today to become your reality you're here for so much good in the world is just waiting for you