not having it in front of me last week, if I can be honest. You can be honest. If you want to get rid of the iPad, right as we're starting the show, Jared, you can totally get rid of the iPad, right as we're starting the show. Yeah. Thanks. You're welcome. You know, actually, one of the things we need to do is we need to get a moderation team to help us with comments, because one of the things I miserably failed at last week was pulling in your comments from the show into the livestream. And I do apologize. There were some super chats that occurred and I never actually called out those people. So my plan is later in this show, like Neural Stream did it like a $50 super chat and we never mentioned it. Not once. I'm mentioning it now, but like, I know. I know. Boom. Tough one. And there's some comments with those super chats. So I'd like to kind of go back and talk about some of those comments later in the show. Definitely. I also like to kind of get the show started right away. So my name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am the executive producer and creator of Tomorrow. I am joined by Jared Head and Ryan Keaton. I think I got that right this week. You did. Very right. 100% correct. And Ryan, it is still woefully early for you. It's midnight, right? Your time? Or is it 11? It's midnight. It's one minute past midnight. It's one minute past midnight.  And then you were just, you were doing everything you could to stay awake and then participate in the conversation. So this week, what I think makes more sense is, why don't we start with you, Ryan? What is exciting you in space this week? I was gonna be excited for Crew 3, but it still hasn't flown, which is the most convenient thing ever. So it was scheduled for October 31st, the lovely Halloween launch, and then it was scrubbed and pushed back because the weather was horrible over the Atlantic Ocean. Then it was moved to November 3rd. That was scrubbed due to a, quote, astronaut's medical issue. We don't know who it was, what happened. All we know is that it wasn't COVID and the launch was postponed. So hopefully everyone in the mission is okay. That's the most important thing. So it was then pushed to November 7th and then more bad weather has come up. So it's now been pushed to November 9th and this is gonna be causing a little bit of an issue for Crew 2 if this keeps happening because Dragon is rated for around, I think 210 days in space. And they launched in April. So they have less than two weeks now to get Crew 2 home before going over what Dragon is actually rated for because it's been at the ISS for a long time now. So I was excited for Crew 3 to happen. I hope it happens soon. I also hope that Crew 2 would get home safe. I mean, you can still be excited for Crew 3 and Crew 2. It's a really- I am excited for them. I just want it to happen. I want the scrubs to stop. It's like the movie Marooned, where they've got the command module in space and they've got to get there in time but there's like a hurricane coming across Kennedy Space Center and then they finally launch right in the middle of the eye of the hurricane because that's possible, you know. Wait, hold up, hold up. Was it a Soyuz they launched? No, it was not. No, not at all, so. But it could be. It could launch. We've watched the, I mean, we've probably seen, have you guys seen the Soyuz that launched in the Blizzard? Yeah, well, that's where I was. Yeah, that was nuts watching that happen live. I was like, oh, wait, they're launching right now. And they did. So, Ryan, do you stay up for these events? So, you know, Crew 2 coming back. There's an awkward window. If it's like before three o'clock in the morning, fine. If it's after, I'd say like 10 o'clock in the morning, fine, but anything, if it's like 4, 5, 6 a.m., no, it's just the most awkward time of the day for me to stay.  But if I try and wake up for it, I'll never wake up in time. Wait, why do you have to stay up the whole night?  Well, if there's a launch at 6 o'clock in the morning, I'm going to stay up till 7 o'clock in the morning. And at that point, I might as well just stay up anyway. No, that's fair, that's fair. So, but what about like on docking coverage, right? Because you talked about Crew 2 and Crew 3, would you stay around for Crew 2? Like, or are you kind of like- If it's at a reasonable time, yes. But if it's like 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning, then you can do it by themselves. I'm seeing a pattern, yeah. There's a window. If you don't launch in that window, I don't care. You know, one other thing that we haven't done, so I think myself and Jared, we went back and we had like AMAs. I did, I think I did too. I think you did. At a minimum, we've kind of gone over, like you as a human on the show a few times. We should do it again to reintroduce everyone. But Ryan, one of the things, I don't think we've done with you, is actually like introduced you. We basically threw you into space news, and we're like, here you go, here's someone who can talk about space news. Enjoy the fire of the comments section. So if you're comfortable, do you want to take a couple of minutes and just tell people about yourself? Like- Yeah, sure. What you're doing today and what you're looking to do tomorrow? Well, today I've been doing some educational things and tomorrow I'm going to sleep in. No. Nailed it. Nailed it. And that's the show. Perfect. Thanks everyone, that's great. See you all later, bye bye. See you next week. Yeah, but no, like what's your, you know, you're currently student. Yeah. Yes, so and then what are you, what are you looking to do with your tomorrow? Like your, because I'm saying tomorrow, so that I can bring it on brand. What are you looking to do with your future? Like, are you going to go into aerospace engineering? Are you looking to stay in aerospace? Is this just a passion of yours that you just love? Because we, I don't know how many people know this. Like we do this as a passion project. Like we are, we're here because we think this is awesome. But that doesn't mean you have to work in aerospace. So what's your thought?  I'm not really sure at the moment to be honest. If an aerospace opportunity comes up, I'm obviously going to take it as soon as I can because aerospace is fantastic and firing things. But also if there's something firing things, yes. But if there's also an equally exciting opportunity in the media industry, then I'm going to take that as well. It's, this is like a blend of exactly what I want to do. It's just nobody big network wise is doing this. Does it have to be big network wise?  Not really. As long as I, as long as I'm getting paid good, then I don't care where I end up. All right. That's not here. Did you have anything else you're excited about this week going on in space? Like not just like things that are coming up, but like maybe things that have happened in the last week. I know the show is called Tomorrow, but you're allowed to look at yesterday too. Yeah, I know the FCC have, I would say, disgruntled SpaceX maybe. It's not something I'm exactly excited for, but they did reject their calls for interference with Stardeg and they've given Boeing permission to launch something like 150 satellites into space for broadband sort of things. So I wouldn't say I'm excited for that, but it's definitely interesting to see how these things have been played out legally wise between Boeing, SpaceX, and also Amazon with Jeff Bezos that have been trusted before by the FCC, satellite wise. Yeah, it's, you know, we were talking about the Blue Origin lawsuit last week, and there was actually, there's news on that this week. And I don't really have it as a topic but I mean we can touch on it really quickly, which is for those who don't know, the Blue Origin lawsuit has been thrown out effectively. So it was thrown out before it ever got anywhere, which is kind of the nice thing because it really means that they spent all of this time and energy doing, you know, their work to bring it in and do what they needed to do, and then nothing came of it. So they spent a lot of money on something that hopefully they've learned a lesson there and going we're not gonna do that again. And there was a tweet from Jeff Bezos saying, not the outcome we wanted, but we'll respect it and off we go. So that indicates to me that they're probably not going to move forward with anything else. Having said that, as I mentioned last week, Jeff Bezos isn't like he's the checkbook for Blue Origin. So that's really what Bob Smith wants to do. So we'll actually see, we'll see. Yeah, I figure in the next month we'll probably see that. If there is gonna be an appeal, I can't imagine them wasting any time on trying to attempt to do that. So, but also I feel like I would be surprised if there was an appeal at this point. It seems like both just how worded the NASA's own report was back at Blue for that. Cause it was very, NASA for once in a very long time did not hold their ire back. Usually they're pretty neutral cause they try to maintain that neutrality as a government agency, but in this case they didn't. I think, I mean they straight up said it's going to inhibit exploration. And that's, those are strong words coming from an agency that's primary goal is exploration to say like this individual company is preventing us from doing our job. So that's why we reject this claim coming from them. And that was like a pretty, I feel like that might have been what sort of set it over the edge. I feel like if NASA had been a little more nonchalant about it then it probably wouldn't have been rejected this early in the process of trying to go through that lawsuit that Blue Origin was pushing. So yeah, if they try an appeal I would be really, really surprised that they actually do try to.   True, but you gotta actions. It's much better to see actions. And Blue, I don't wanna call Blue unpredictable but it's, they're all bets are off. They're a bit of a wild card at the moment not because of how quiet they're being now. Like they used to be, you know, head down working on it. Oh, by the way, last week we flew our booster and landed it, you know, kind of thing. You know, we've always, I think we joke that- You're so footage. Yeah, I think we joke that one day they're gonna be like, eh, all right, hey, we landed on the moon like a month ago. So here's the footage of it. So here's a tour of the moon base we just built, you know, a couple weeks ago. So, you know, enjoy, you know. But I guess we'll have to see what happens. I really hope they don't appeal it because I would just like to see everyone move on with everything NASA move on with the human landing system with SpaceX and then Blue do what they should do which is continue on their own CIS Lunar ambitions without the need of NASA to fund them for that. I mean, there's gonna be plenty of customers for them to work with that. So, you know, if you build it, they will come. I feel like when it comes to CIS Lunar, CIS Lunar space is a part of a space economy. So, I mean, just like go for it. It's gonna happen. You're gonna get money. You just gotta be there for it. So, go. I think, so there's the blue part of this and, you know, everyone got upset, myself included. Like, we were all as a community, like not super pleased with Blue with what they were doing. It was, like we said, it was disingenuous because they're talking about that they wanna bring on this future of taking humanity to space. And then they do something that is gonna severely inhibit that for who knows how long. But then here we go and to Ryan's point, there are all of these other lawsuits swirling around the satellite part, right here. Huh? Come on, come on, what are you doing? Come on. I'll give you some. All right. I get two per show. That was one of them. I get two ponds per show. So, all the satellite lawsuits swirling around, orbiting around, should I say orbiting around instead? Yeah. And, like, we just kind of ignore those. No, no, no, no, they're the same one. No, they're the same one. Well, since this lawsuit isn't around anymore, has it moved to its graveyard orbit? I love space nerds. Why didn't they call them orbituaries? Right? Come on. You're better at this than I am. Yes, all that theater paid off. So, why aren't we up in arms with regards to these other lawsuits? Is it because we haven't heard about them or because we don't feel like it's setting humanity back from going to the moon? Like, it feels like there's a little bit of a double standard there, doesn't it? From a space community standpoint. We're angry at Blue for suing NASA, but we're not angry at, you know, anyone else. You know, Amazon, to Ryan's point, Amazon, SpaceX, or like everyone's suing everyone at this point, right? Like, SpaceX, Amazon, and Blue. And I feel like there's another one out there. I thought Boeing was involved in that lawsuit. Maybe. And then there's the other company that launches on a Soyuz. One Web. One Web. They were suing too, weren't they? I think so. I don't. There's so many lawsuits. Exactly. Because it's aerospace. Exactly. Because it's how aerospace works. Right, but so why were we all up in arms with the Blue one? Because this was people. Because this was people. It was peoples that we were going to be sending to the moon. It's not like, it's not Internet satellites. So, who cares about that? You know, there's not people on that. Internet satellites aren't, most people are going to look at Internet satellites and not think of them as a stepping stone to target somewhere out in space, even though they might be, for all we know. Well, I mean, Ryan needs them so he can get his Internet on Mars. That's true. Yeah, that's, I think it's the most crucial stepping stone. Mars link. Yes. Mars link. You know, oh man. Or Mars Web. Mars Web? Yeah. Mars Web, so. Oh, any of them, right? Yeah, you can, you gotta pick one. No, that's not gonna work. Alright, so there's lawsuits. Someone actually had a comment asking me, let's see if I can find it here. Oh, Fred, here we go. Fred asks me directly, Jamie, I know you can't answer a lot of work questions, but can you share your personal reaction to issues with the facilities on Dragon? No. Like, no, I can't, I can't talk about work. You know, and that's true of all of us, right? So, you know, I have a day job in aerospace. You'll notice I'm switching the show. That's because Dada is, I wish the control room camera worked. I would cut to an empty control room. Cut to the. The black camera? Yeah, go for it. There we go. There's Dada.   You work in aerospace, I'm gonna say passively, right? Adjacent. You work aerospace adjacent. Passively, passively works.  Just looking at that. Giant microscope.  I feel like that's an internal joke we could explain. That is, oh God, I forgot, I forgot who the. Dr. Steve Broul. Okay, look that up on YouTube. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out on YouTube. Check it out with Dr. Steve Broul. And then just search for like astronomy or something like that. Telescope. Telescope. And you'll get a hit on that. And it's hilarious. It's really funny. So that's where that comes from. But you do astronomy, or you work, you work directly in astronomy, arguably. Yeah. Up at Griffith and also make the shuttle happy at Columbia as well. Make the shuttle happy at Columbia. Is the shuttle happy at Columbia? No, that's why I'm working on it. Oh. To help make it happy. The shuttle, for those who don't know, Columbia Space Flight Memorial Center. Columbia Memorial Space Center. You were real close there, I gotta say. Dang it. Dang it. They actually have, the Pathfinder Wooden, what's it called? Well, the mock-up was, the mock-up really didn't have a name. It was just considered the design engineering integration mock-up for the space shuttle program. So they built it in 1972, which was two years before Enterprise. And they used it for design engineering integration all the way up to the late 1990s there in Downey. And they moved it out. And I was part of the process that helped with that. I was jokingly called the keeper of the shuttle for that. And eventually got moved back, and they had named it Inspiration through a contest. But I feel like we shouldn't call it that because we had to put it back away because the city didn't want to fund a building for it at that time. So they had to put Inspiration away. I don't feel like that's a good kind of way to do it. So I have made everybody refer to it internally as O-V-O-O-1. So that way it's the first. Hard to beat that. I just realized, I wanted to get information from Ryan on his hopes and dreams, and we didn't get a whole lot out of him. We're going to come back to you. Maybe not on this episode. I'll give you more time to think about it, but we need to do an AMA just with you. Just me. Everyone gets to glorify my existence. That's right. We're going to bring the hard questions. Bring the exactly. Where were you at? I was listening. But you were like, you were going into what you were doing. I'm like, oh, that's really interesting. And then I was like, wait a minute. Well, one thing is, hey, he cheated. One thing is, I've never been allowed to talk about that until recently. So how come? It was just city policy. But you can talk about it now. Yes. Let me ask you a similar question that I asked Ryan. What excites you about that project? Why are you working on that? Why are you spending your... Well, I mean... Why am I working on that? Well, one of the cool things here in the Los Angeles area is that we have a space shuttle endeavor. And it's pretty amazing if you ever take anybody to go see an endeavor. It blows their mind at what a space shuttle looks like. And I feel like we can do the exact same thing there in our new facility that we're going to build around the shuttle. So we're literally getting a new facility and it's going to be purpose built around showing off the shuttle. Also things to do STEM with the local community and things like that, especially with underserved populations and things like that. And that's important to me. You know, you got to make sure that you have a good, steady group of folks coming in to help assist in the future of STEM.  And also the workforce is getting a lot more diverse and I feel like it's important to reflect that as well. And that's the ground to do it on. That's one of those places that we could make that happen at. So that's why that's pretty important to me with that. And also I want to make sure that ours you can go inside of it.  They're tiny. Well, the mid-deck is pretty big but the flight deck. Flight deck's difficult. I mean, mid-deck is tough as it is. Being six foot three, 1.92 meters it's pretty tough as it is. I need to fix the meeting. Whoops. I didn't mean to do that. Oopsie. Well, for those who can't see the meeting will automatically end in 10 minutes. This is an old school problem that we've had before and, you know, I knew better and I just didn't fix. So will the building that you're putting this vehicle in be made out of wood? No, it will not. So I don't know how much I can actually say about the new building other than that we know who's going to make it and that it's going to look epic. Oh, that's cool. That's amazing. Can we put a studio for tomorrow in this new building? Actually, yes. I think we should have a space big enough that if you wanted to put a studio there you sure could. Here's a fun history lesson about tomorrow. When we moved from Minnesota to Los Angeles I needed to move the show with me and at that time it was called Space Big Cast. And so we were looking for a space pun intended. Oh, that's two. Dang it. We were looking for a space for our space show and so we thought we'd reach out to like there's a rich and beautiful aerospace industry out here and we're like, let's reach out to a couple of the aerospace like buildings and entities and like things like Griffith and whatnot and Griff, we actually did reach out to Griffith. Yeah, I know how that'll go. Yeah, they didn't even, they didn't even bother to respond. I will just not say anything. Yeah. We had a negative 10 billion percent chance of that. So we looked at that. And then we actually went to, it was called something different back then. The Columbia Memorial Space Science Learning Center is what it was called originally, which is just mouthful, right? Yeah. So we were looking at putting the studio there and we actually got pretty far along and we'll talk. I remember. And then all of our communication died one day. It just went away and that was apparently, there was a big change over. Yes. And I was really sad because like we're going to do some pretty cool things like bringing in sea-band dishes to, so we could do live rocket launches up in the, they have like a three by three giant TV screen. It's still there. Yeah, it's still there. It was modern 10 years ago. Yeah. I'm not sure it is anymore. No, it's not. But yeah, we were going to do some pretty cool things and it went away. And I, you know, I've always kind of thought that that would be, I've always thought that this show would do, rather than having like this space set, right? I think it'd be really cool to do it on a rocket factory floor where you can see rockets being built behind us for wheelsies, assuming we can from an ITAR year perspective or doing it like at a place like that where you've got people learning and science and cool things going on in the background and they can purchase, like I think being, being able to have people participate in the show online and on demand would be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Hendon says, Space Big Cast feels like a long time ago. It was, it was like five years ago. Five years ago. So it was before I was here. You know, this show, if you count Space Big Cast, this show has been on the air for four, this is orbit 14, 14 years we've been around. Yeah. So we, we may, I may make a lot of mistakes along the way, but we have staying power at least. We're still here. You could never kill us. Exactly. We're like the cockroaches of spaceflight coverage. We're just going to be here forever. There will be like, They can't get rid of us. No one wants to see us. They're, they're sad though when they find us floating around and they're like, they're going to waste land and it's going to be us sitting there all by ourselves. So, So Jared, so we covered a little bit about what you're doing, like the Columbia and we need to give that mock-up a name. I don't know what to call it. Okay. Well, internet, you need to come up with a name for this mock-up. Tell us in the comments. Let us know in the comments on the YouTube video what you think they should call it. And then I will pressure Jared because sure I have that power. I would pressure him really hard in order to actually call it that or get a placard, like under it. We'll put it internally, like in the nose gear, you know, well or something like that. That would be kind of cool. I'm going to be able to walk around this. There's already like really funny things about it. Hold on, hold on. I thought, I thought the mock-up wasn't like fully built out. I thought it was like only one half of the orbiter or something like that. It has a port side wing and the vertical stabilizer goes up about five feet above the orbital maneuvering system pods. But we're hoping to kind of we're either going to add the rest of it, you know, or we're going to build it so it gets slotted in so that way it works. But it still has a full wing on the port side at least. And it also has payload bay doors and we also have a Canada arm. And one thing that we have that does not exist. Does the Canada arm apologize? Go sorry. Yeah, really does a lot. When we were even pulling it out, it was like, sorry. It just took so long. We were like, don't worry about it. I'm like, you're fine. You're fine. And then when we would do tours of it, you could hear it in the background because we kept it on the on the starboard side of the shuttle and you could hear it say, sorry, you can't see me. So, you know, that's kind of how it would go. Since you love Buron so much, I like this Buron. Oh, excuse you. All right. Oh, okay. We can name it that. So you're not dissing Buron. Yeah, exactly. We're just calling it Buraint. Buraint. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. That'll work. What was your story this week? What are you excited about? Oh, me? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, there's this really interesting thing that happens in the broad scientific community every 10 years called a Decadal Survey. So basically, they go and they talk to scientists for a couple of years and they all, you know, schmooze and talk around and email each other and do whatever they need to do to talk to each other. And they basically figure out, like, what are the big goals that we should focus on for the next decade? Like, what's the things that we should be looking at coming up? And this specific Decadal Survey that happened was the Astrophysics and Astronomy Decadal Survey.  Giant microscopes.  So they basically came to a conclusion which is that they primarily would like four to go. So they like four flagship missions and they also figured out a way to maybe make it a little bit easier for these flagship space telescopes to happen. And they actually said that NASA should come up with like an internal office that basically deals with their space telescopes and it deals with the research and development for them. So that way there's a little bit a lot more accountability because, you know, we just want to make sure that things go how that's supposed to. With that there. I'm sorry, Jared. I couldn't hear you. What did you say again? A lot of people are pissed off about the James Webb Space Telescope. So let's just put it that way. It was pretty close to being on time and on budget though. Don't you sass me like that. Yeah, only a decade. And how many billion over? It's five. But what's great now is that they're at least throwing out like time frames and estimates that are a little bit more realistic. But the problem is that they are looking at James Webb as the means by which to do that. So one of the big ones that they want to do is called Luvier, which is a massive, it'd be 16 meters across. This is bigger than any ground-based telescope that we have on the Earth right now. And it basically is supposed to do what Hubble does. So unlike James Webb, which has a little bit of overlap with Hubble, where Hubble can do, just into near-infrared, and James Webb is mostly deep-infrared, you know, kind of in there near-infrared around those areas, Luvier would basically do exactly what Hubble does. Okay. Just with a mirror, oh my gosh, what did I say, 16? About seven times bigger than what Hubble would be able to. So gigantic, like huge monkeys. Those repair, the optics repair on that telescope is going to be much more complicated. Well, I have a feeling it will, much like James Webb, be unrepairable, so it better work the first time. So... Well, we just need to do it all in one big bang so that you don't have to unfurl it, which means what, an 8 meter faring? No, probably a 9 or 10 meter faring? They're going to need a really big faring for it, gigantic faring. I wonder what you could stick in, to do that with. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah. And they've been talking about what they want to do with it, and they basically are like, yeah, we think we can get this out in the 2040s, and it'll be about $11 billion. So just to let you know. By the way, you know, this is what we're going to have with this. So we're using James Webb as a... They're using it as a benchmarker to basically say, like, you know, we really don't want to have these problems anymore, so we're just going to outright tell you how much it's going to cost, and outright tell you how long it'll probably take to make it happen. I think they learned their wrong lesson from James Webb. You know, I think so they did, too. I'm not going to disagree with you on that. There is definitely a project management gap, I guess, as I would describe it. And it's about as big as Valice Mariners. So it's a little tough there. But they did talk about wanting to combine that mission with another mission, another flagship telescope that would hunt, not just for exoplanets, but also hunt for the surfaces of exoplanets as well. Like, actually get in there and take data about the surfaces of them in detail that could actually tell us whether there are, like, signatures of life, like chlorophyll or other stuff that may actually be there. That's pretty cool. Which is wild to think about. So basically they have this idea of what's called a starshade.  And you have to have it millions of miles away because when you are looking at these objects, this planet's pretty close to the star relative to where we're looking from. So it's got to cover up just the star. That means it's got to be really far away to make sure that it just blocks that light. And then the light from the planet can still come through. And that is just like tens of millions, even maybe possibly hundreds of millions of miles away, just coordinating everything perfectly so that it can take those kinds of images. And it's just nuts to think about that. And then think about, like, we didn't even have proof of, like, exoplanets until within the last 10 years, right? A little bit before that. So it was about the mid-90s when that started to happen. But we didn't know the distribution of them until about a decade ago. So with the Kepler space telescope. So Kepler's when we realized, oh, every star's probably got an exoplanet around it at some point during its life. But that was, I thought, so we were able to prove them prior to Kepler? Yes. Like we knew for certain. I think the first one was actually 1992 when we first discovered it. I'm just way off. So no, it's fine.  So I know, it's okay. You just, you know, you're...  You know, you're working so much you just don't know what's going on. Actually, this is a really good comment from the chat room from, I think it's Aravail, which is, Jared, will this new telescoping low Earth orbit a Lagrange point or somewhere else? I believe they actually want it out in a orbit, a Earth trailing orbit. So like beyond a Lagrange point, and then it will just basically move right from the Earth as we go around in our orbit. So because they just need it in somewhere that is as isolated as possible to pull something like that off. So, but I wouldn't be surprised if they might decide to put it in a Lagrange point. Launching in the 2040s, they've got a little bit of time to think this through, I think. If they need it isolated, they can just park it in my social life. No? No, well, I mean, we're all, you know, being in aerospace, we understand. That's the thing. So they'll laugh, but like, we understand. But also they wanted to do a new infrared telescope as well. So like, I don't want to call it like a James Webb replacement, but something to come in and do like some really high-end infrared astronomy as well, which you can't really do that here on Earth because we have water vapor in our atmosphere, which is nice. Most of us appreciate water vapor and the things that it brings. And if you're infrared light, though, you don't appreciate it because water vapor absorbs it. So you may have heard of SOFIA. I think that stands for Stratospheric Observatory Flying Infrared. I don't know. But it's the big infrared telescope in the back of the 747, and they fly it up to high altitude because it gets you above most of the water vapor. So you can do infrared astronomy that way. But that's J-Dubb as well, right? J-Dubb is basically a giant. Yes, but bigger. Infrared. Yes, but let's make it bigger. Yes, but let's make it bigger. Bigger. Also, James Webb's only going to last so long, right? Okay, actually, I'm curious. And in the chat room as well, kind of like we had Space Launch System that's what they've masked in, right? And I said, my bet, by the way, for those, because this is going back away, this is going back five plus years, I think at this point. A long time. Yeah. That's how long, oh, SLS. So the SLS bet is I think it will launch. I think it will light its engines and commit to flight with the intent of launching. Now, whether or not it gets off the pad is irrelevant for this bet, right? So, but the intent is they light the engines and they let go of the rocket. And from that moment forward, doesn't matter if it's successful or not, it will fly at least once. It will fly up or down. It don't matter. Sideways. Sideways. In pieces. It does. The method of flight is irrelevant. It's really just the right, right? Exactly. So that's the bet. And I think it's a, I think it started as a dollar bet. And I think it's grown to like a steak dinner or something like that with it. So now the question is, like, can we get like between the three of us, like a dollar bet that will grow into a steak dinner? Which would be the world's most, if Ryan wins that, that would be the most expensive steak dinner because we'll have to like fly him out here. Right? Can you imagine? Could it be a club 33 steak dinner? Oh, yeah, sure. Why not? So do you think, do you think James Webb will actually work out of the gate? God, why are you asking me these kinds of questions? You trying to make me sweat? And I want to know in the comments is what, yeah, a little bit. I want to know in the comments what you think. Like, and when I say work, like, you can't, we're not going to Hubble this thing where, not that you can, where you can, like, when you first unfurl this thing, do you think it's going to work first time?  It's going to take six months. Yep, got that. Six months to calibrate it. Got that, that's fine. About six months, which is good for aerospace. That's how that works. Got that. Yeah, about once. Now tell us a fly, six months on. So do you think James Webb will work? Same question to you, Ryan. What do you think? What do you think? I don't know. I hope it does. I'm leaning towards yes. You can't bet with don't know. That's not the bet. It's a dollar, it's a dollar bet. It's a gentleman's bet, right? No actual money. Like it's a fake, it's a fake bet. Like just, you get bragging rights. I'm going to say yes. You say yes, it will work. And I'm going to say yes, understanding that Northrop Grumman has been the primary contractor on this. And that they were also the primary contractor for Zuma. Just reminding myself of that. I'm going to go with yes as well. I think I'm required to take that. I'm a bit less confident with the yes. I'm just going to go yes. Because if it doesn't work, then I think everyone will just start crying. The entire scientific community just breaks down in tears. Yeah, you have to consider what James Webb has done for the astrophysics community over the past 15 years. What has it done? It's eaten the budget. I was expecting positive. It is jokingly referred to. I thought you were going to be like, oh, think of all the technology that we've got, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no. That's not where you went. So it is jokingly referred to as the telescope that ate the budget. So that's just like, you can't get around the fact that it blew up the astrophysics budget and ruined the opportunity for a lot of missions to actually fly because of how expensive it got and because of how much time it took and how much of that budget and people's time and people themselves it took up. Will it be worth it? Yes. When it flies and you start getting those images back. You look at Hubble and it was in the moment like Hubble's while ago. Like I was a, I'm not big. Deployed in 1990. Fixed in 1993. So, and I remember like a lot of people, especially when it broke, it was like, why are we doing this?  And then we got those first like clear pictures back from Hubble and we went, oh, that's why we're doing this. Right. Right. That's really inspiring. That's really cool. And you know, it's the interesting thing about Hubble is that even though it's 31 years later, it still does that. You'll still see an image that was recently taken by Hubble and you'll just be like, whoa. Oh, yeah. Like that's the universe and we're a part of this. Wow. So I think one of my favorite Hubble images is like pillars of creation. Yeah, the eagle nebula. That's just phenomenal. Yeah. That blew my mind when I was seven years old. You know, so you think it'll be worth it? Why will it be worth it for the same reason as Hubble? Exact same reason. And then also just what we're going to learn from it too. There's so many things that Hubble has taught us that we didn't expect Hubble to teach us. And that's important to building a body of knowledge because you never know where that body of knowledge is going to lead to. So it's important. Actually, so I wanted to talk about the big orange rocket and jazz brings up really, really fun. Well, Twitter started calling it the big orange rocket or orange rocket bad. I don't think the orange rocket is bad. I have gripes with people. It's misguided. It's like a teenager that needs to be put on the right path. I was going to say it's like the, what is that rocket that had the IMU that was inverted? Oh, the proton. It's like protons. It's slightly misguided. Yeah. It definitely has issues. I disagree with how they came to some of the engineering. Like building a rocket by Congress is never a great thing to do. But you can't argue with its payload capacity. And it will open up humanity to do some pretty cool things. I'm not anti-SLS. I'm anti-Congress building rockets. So, and then I think I brought this up on screen, but unlike the rocket who ate the budget, also known as SLS, because you were just talking about, you know, how James Webb ate the budget. And then there's actually this pretty good question, which is, what are they going to put on the space launch system at this point? Because they've pulled off Europa Clipper. And so... Unfortunately. Yeah. Because now they can't do direct. Yeah. Can't fly direct to Jupiter. So, not going to take that two years to get to Jupiter. It's going to take five to six. So, even on a Falcon Heavy, even if you were to expend it and put a solid third stage on it. The thing is that like, people forget just how crazy much performance, space launch system, just block one. It's that hydrogen, liquid oxygen, upper stage. It's just, once you get into vacuum, it is so difficult to beat out the performance of hydrolox. So... Orange rocket go-ber. So, you will... You say that. Okay, I'm going to nerd out about this for a moment. You say that, but controlling that hydrogen, containing that hydrogen, takes so much weight. Yes. There's an engineering trade there. And it's like when you look at it just from a chemical standpoint, yeah, like liquid oxygen and hydrogen obviously make sense. But when you start looking at, like that hydrogen don't not want to stay contained. No, it does not. It wants to sneak out any opportunity it can. And then you just end up with heavier and heavier and heavier tanks in infrastructure to maintain that liquid hydrogen. So, you know, all of that weight takes away from your performance. It does. So, yeah. Performance is absurd when you do it right. But yes, it is. Well, if you... Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yeah, think about it. Like somebody, I saw somebody in the comments last week complaining about the RL10 getting more money for development. But like think about how much, think about how much efficiency comes out of the RL10 upper stage engine. I forget which one. RL10 is on. Centaur. Yeah, it's like 460 seconds of impulse.   I believe if I recall correctly. Forgive my ignorance. Centaur still flies on Vulcan, right? Yes. Vulcan is effectively the first stage. The first stage has changed, but the second stage, well, it's still changed. It's going to be an updated version of Centaur. More newer, nor better. So, yes, RL10 I think is like a don't, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but make it better if you can. So, before we go into Space Launch System, the internet wants to know what Ryan's laughing at when he looks laughing. No, we're all like, what are you laughing at? Oh, come on, you're on the spot. Oh no, it's just a chat room with some of my friends in it. I'll probably close it, to be honest. No, no, leave it over. Oh, are they watching you right now? Oh, okay. Yeah, I think so. Oh, hey. Hello, Ryan's friends.  So, I expect Space Launch System, Aeroville, will only ever be used for Ryan launches. I certainly hope not. What is the group's feeling on the Space Launch System? First off, first question is, they're fully stacked at this point, sitting in the vehicle assembly building. Fully stacked. Fully stacked. Fully stacked. But that also means that they've broken the seal. They broke the seal. They can't return it. Right, there's a restocking fee now. Hark the trumpets. But they broke the seals on the solid rocket motors. And those seals have a shelf life. And they've been exposed to air at this point.  So, lots of things. Moist. And I think they have to, if I remember right, they must launch by early 2022. Or they're going to have to do some riders to be like, yeah, we understand we're launching with potentially bad seals on our solid rocket motors. Which doesn't seem like the most bestest thing to do on an initial flight. So that tells me that we're marching towards a 2022 early flight of Space Launch System. The vehicle is fully stacked. So, barring other issues, do we think this thing is actually going to go? I joke and say it's six months out, but I think it might actually be six months out. So, looking for opinions from the community and from you guys, like, we'll start with Ryan, yeah. What are your thoughts on Space Launch System? This is probably the most unintelligent decision ever. But I think it's coming pretty soon. Seeing it actually stacked gives me a lot of hope in SLS actually doing something in the very near future. I think maybe slightly less than six months but obviously as we've seen over the last several years, it's got a hope at this rate. It's there. It exists. That's the exciting point. Can I rebut all that excitement with just one word? Ready? Starliner. Right? Like that, it exists and it's still a year away. So, and this is the same company. So, knowing that... You've just ruined my dreams of SLS flying within the next six months. One word. One word. All right. So, because there's hardware, because it's stacked, you feel like it's imminent. I mean, it's definitely not in 2021. Like NASA has basically said, we're not going into 2021. But early 2022, you have high confidence there? Yeah. Well, when we get early 2022, I'll reevaluate my decision and see if we're still six months out. But as things stand at the moment, I'm pretty confident it will... There's a high chance of it flying in the first half of next year. Jared? You know, as long as Boeing has put the correct seals on it, I think that it will fly as intended in February in that launch window. I feel like that at this point with the vehicle stacked, like you're talking about Ryan, it's like fully committed, like, look, it's there. Let's go. Let's go, Florida. Starting, you know, a kind of attitude with it. But we still have to get through the ground support equipment tests and everything like that and make sure that that all still works. So, and that's... It's going to be very tough. Yeah, as Harry mentioned, the wet dress rehearsal will be a big moment for the timeline of space launch system and wet dress will include moving fluids. For those who don't know, I feel like most people who watch this show would know, but for those who don't, there's dry dress and wet dress. Dry dress is basically running your countdown up to the right to the moment where you're about to fuel and then you don't fuel. Wet dress is you put the liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen on the rocket.  Usually all the way down right until you're about to light the engines but you never light the engines. The third type of test after that would be a static fire.  Why do they call it a hot fire? Of course it's hot. Static fire makes way more sense to me logically. So static fire test, which is basically a wet dress. Plus, we fire the engines but we don't let go of it and go to space. And then the last test that they do is letting go...  Hopefully you go to space. Goodbye. Yeah, actually, I don't know if they're going to do a static fire because they've already done the green run with it. So I believe the green run counts as the static fire for SLS. But they will be doing a wet dress because they do have new ground support systems, GSE, ground support equipment is GSE. So they have new ground systems that they need to test out, move the fluids on and off the vehicle. And they're going to have problems with that because ground support... I don't think people realize how complicated ground support is. You never think about that system but it's a really complicated system and I expect that they'll take a moment for them to figure that out. Yeah, one of the mind-blowing stats that so many people forget about with SLS is how expensive SLS is. Is that a quarter of that... I think it's either a fifth or a quarter. So 20 to 25% of the total cost has just been ground support equipment. Because people forget about the fact that lots of stuff to make that happen. Oh, yeah. A lot of stuff to make your rocket work correctly before it's supposed to work correctly. Yeah, absolutely. There was a really interesting comment by AtomicJ which is, I think the space launch system overshadows just how awesome the Orion spacecraft is. And Jared, you were shaking... Yeah, I love the Orion spacecraft. I think it's great. So, big fan of what it does. Why? Because right now it's currently the only crewed vehicle that can actually leave Earth orbit and go orbit another celestial body. And it's going to go do that, hopefully sometime next year. It won't have a crew on board but it'll still have systems that will help us figure that out and work with that. And then hopefully in 2023 it'll have a crew on board and do its little... I think you're doing a very long free return trajectory on the Artemis II flight, if I recall correctly. And the thing to remember, and a lot of people may have forgotten, Orion's been to space. Yes, it has. Orion has flown in space. Yeah. It was just so long ago, everyone's gone. That's true. That's because the orange rocket's not ready yet. Yeah. Well, it flew on another orange rocket. It flew on a Delta IV Heavy. Yes, it did. Which they were originally going to crew-rate the Delta Force to make that happen. But that didn't happen then, did it? Yeah.  This is where, like, orange rocket bad. You go back to constellation and you get a lot of the SLS folks who are like, you know, SLS is new, it's not part of constellation, it's a different audience. Like, yeah, okay. But they're all born out of the ashes of the previous program, right? Yeah. You can look at SLS and go, whoa, I see a whole lot of Aries 5 in that. A whole lot? I know. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm just going to say, you know, it's 2004. Oh, Orion, so this is another really interesting comment. Orion is 21 billion, that's what the be. Mm-hmm. And almost as long of a research and development as James Webb Space Telescope to do something that we did in the late 60s. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, yes. And? And statement. I wonder how much it costs compared to the Apollo capsules. That's a great question. Internet? Yeah. How much it costs compared to the Apollo capsules? Yeah. All right. So, you know, I just wanted to talk a little bit about Space Launch System because, you know, I do, and, you know, to my, I think, in my opinion, it is actually probably going to launch early, quite early 2022. Mm-hmm.  I think they're going to push really hard to launch this vehicle for a couple of reasons. Like, they don't have to worry about crew safety. Second, it is a test article, so that's the whole point of this. Now, one of the reasons they may, like, hold back a little bit is unlike a traditional aerospace company who can launch and fail, this is a government agency. So, if they launch and fail, there's going to be a whole lot of people asking, well, what happened? Yeah. Because people don't understand the engineering process, which is, yeah, so, but I still think that management's going to push for that, and since they've broken the seals and there's a restocking fee on the vehicle, I really, I use that one twice, I really think that they're going to try to get that vehicle launched before the seals expire. I don't think they want to fly with expired seals. That said, like, they can probably push those seals. Like, they're probably, I bet if they go back and sharpen their pencils, they can push those seals a little further. When do the seals expire? Because I would imagine that's sort of your hard end for your margin there. I don't remember, and someone might be able to comment in the chat room, but I want to say it was early, it was like, February of 2022, it was like, February, March, but I could be very, very off. I don't remember. I remember, once they broke that initial seal, I remember doing that math and figuring out when they had to fly by, and then I've promptly forgotten that date. So, there you go. Yeah. Okay. So, Uncle BS has, so the total cost of the Apollo program was 25.8 billion, and that is 257 billion, oh my, that's a lot of inflation, adjusted for inflation. So, you know, when you think about just Orion, that's, that's still a good, still a good chunk. Anyhow, so, that's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about our Space Launch System and stuff like that. Now, there were some comments from last week's show that we just missed. There were, Oh, Daniel McCool, by the way, in the chat room there. I thought you were getting rid of your iPad, and that we opened the show with you throwing the iPad out the airlock. Yeah, but then I saw that, like, oh, you know, it can kind of help out a little bit with that. So, I was like, okay, I'll throw it back in. Hit the button. Hit the red button. What am I hitting? Okay. Yeah, I don't know. So, Daniel McCool telling us when the seals expire. April 2022. So, there you go. Some of the comments from last week's show. Let's see here. I had Neurostream. Here we go. Neurostream, who contributed $50 through a super chat. So, thank you very much. He says, every detail of the main tomorrow studio is always developing wonderfully. What's next on your roadmap? So, I think right now, just having consistent shows and coming to you week after week. I don't know that Fridays at this time are what we're going to do. I do want to take into account Ryan's schedule because, you know, that's pure caffeine he was drinking right there. Just to stay awake for us. That's what that was. I do want to take into account everyone's schedule and I realize that this is not a great time for European viewers and we do have quite a few European viewers. And so, like there's that. Also, I want to, like we've been pushing this as a podcast format on Google, on Apple, on Spotify and then tweaking it a little bit. Oh, so, you don't get to see this or hear this live because we just kind of pull right into the show when we're live. The best way to watch it, by the way, is live because your comments get up on screen, we get to interact with you. And to be a member because then you get everything. Then you get everything. Exactly. So there's the plug for the show. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm the press it. Give us money, please. Thanks. Actually, you know what? I won't even go that far. Like, I think the number one thing that would help us right now is for us to feed the algorithm to any YouTube show to have subscribers because the algorithm rewards subscribers. So you need subscribers to get more subscribers, ironically. And then so you end up with this weird feedback loop of, like, these huge shows that end up getting pushed out to a lot of people because they have this huge subscriber base. And then, like, the small shows who need to build up subscriber bases get dwarfed by these huge, anyhow.  Just subscribe on YouTube. We would greatly appreciate it. And if you're a member that helps us support the show, all the technology and everything that goes into making the show, like, again, very, very supported, or you can also do super chats like NeuroStream did. He asked this question for $50 last week. And I'm very, very rusty on the chat room. I'm so sorry, everyone. So I'm trying to keep up. I'm also trying to direct. It's a whole lot. Yeah, I bet. Just a few things. Just a few things. And then Zeke, so this is out of context, but Zeke contributed $5 through a super chat and says, that's what obsessive engineering looks like in the middle of the night. It does a number to the hair. So that was probably one of your comments. I don't know. Because we were talking about like the faux-hawk and whatnot, right? We were. Maybe that's on air. Maybe that's pre-show. On air. We did hint on it pre-show, but, you know, it'll be back eventually. So don't worry. It'll be back. Let's see here. We had Johnny Spacer. He says, what happens to SpaceX if Elon becomes in capacity? We actually covered that on last week's show. So thank you for the super chat. Yeah. Dan TC 240. This is going to become the theme for the year and probably for the rest of the shows. He says, sending Ryan to Mars is an inspiring cause. We can all get behind. I agree. I agree with that one as well. I still think I want to, one of these shows, we're going to talk about that and I want to make sure, like, Ryan, if you go to Mars, what are you going to do? Because that is, and you said you want to go one way as well. What are you going to do on Mars? Well, obviously become a really good basketball player because I can jump really high. That's true. But like, That's one of the pros, I guess. Yeah, but like, I'm asking very seriously, like, what would you actually do on Mars? I don't know to be honest. It just sounds like a cool experience to live on another world that isn't the one you were born on. No other species ever that we know of has ever been able so to be a part of that journey of humanity would just be like the coolest thing anyone could ever do, in my opinion. Why don't you just move to the United States and like, build a shack in the Mojave Desert and you can like, live there. Calm Dave Mastin Jr.  I broke Jared. Sorry. You get a free ticket, Ryan. I'm paying for your ticket and you get to choose between Mars and the Moon. It's a one-way ticket. You can't come back. Where are you going? It doesn't cost you a penny. Pause. You're going to Mars over the Moon. Yeah. It's bigger. It's bigger. It's bigger. True. Untrue, but you'll be a better basketball player on the Moon. That's just one of the side effects I wouldn't be too interested in. Oh, I see. It's there if I want it. And would you, and you would go one way to Mars. You would never come back to Earth. As long as, I wouldn't be the first person there. I'd give it a few, I'd give it a few years just to see how it's going. And if it's not going great, then I wouldn't go. But if it looks like it's a cool thing to do, then I would take a one-way ticket to Mars.  Yeah. It would be a nice, fun experience. Yeah, but you're definitely going to have some interesting food for like the first decade of your time there. Right? You can't have meat. You seriously cannot have, you cannot have meat initially on Mars because meat takes a tremendous amount of resources that you're not going to have at that time. You could have some of the faux meat though. We might be able to We could do faux meat. Also, one thing I've They've gotten really good at that. One thing I've heard too is bug protein. So take a lot of abrupt bugs with you and then just make it somewhat palpable. I don't know how to do that. Fish. But I've eaten actual bugs before. So it's not too big a deal. So as long as they're flavored, so, they're fine. What would they play with? Chocolate, barbeque, other things like that. So, I once had barbeque crickets. So, you know.  They're not going to look like bugs though. That's even more terrifying, Jared. What? What are they going to look like? Like regular food. We should have put it in like a pan. You can make it look like meat. We should have opened the show with this. This is incredible. Bob the bomb says buy Ryan some coffee. He gave us five pounds for that. Thank you. Yeah, we will. Wait, is that how much? Coffee costs now? Five pounds? I don't know. What's coffee cost at Starbucks for you? I don't know. I don't eat. I'm not a coffee person. I'm trying to think. Well, my sister, she loves coffee. So she usually buys a frapple. Yeah, we're out of here. Goodbye, child. Okay. So long. Bye. Out the window with you. There we go. I turned his treat off. I don't get to watch it go through its boot up sequence. Somebody said chicken nuggets that don't look like chicken, but I mean chicken nuggets really aren't chicken. Let's be honest here. It's already bug protein. What part of the chicken is the nugget? I don't understand. That's right. Come on. Seriously. You're not wrong. There's already some food here on earth that you could probably take simply because it's going to be okay. And I don't know if that's good or bad that we allow people to eat it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So those were the comments from last week's show, the super chats that I missed. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for missing them. One of them had asked, again, and I kind of went to get to this point and I missed it. Scatterbrain. Sorry. You know, working on the podcast side of the show. So we're on Spotify and Apple and all that other fun jazz. But the audio version of the show, I can tweak a little bit before it goes out the air. And so I brought back from the spacevid cast days. I have brought back a and also, thank you, DJ Snowball for the three pounds for a coffee. Although, did that go on there? Oh, it did. We're bringing back the fire. She's Firewalking Song from Tim McMorris. Yes. So play the first section of that and then it ramps underneath for it. Yeah. So that for all of you who really love that. So because anytime I made a change to the show, which let's be honest, is often people were like, don't get rid of the music. And so I kept it for many, many years until it just didn't make sense anymore. We've only added music at that point, right? So at least for my duration here, Firewalking's been a constant but then we added on a song for traffic, for space traffic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So Firewalking, welcome back Firewalking, like a much longer riff of Firewalking in the beginning of the show. But only in the podcast edition. Yes. So, yeah. So if you want it, you got to have the podcast. Yeah. You got to listen to us somewhere. So yeah. And then there was those comments and I think that was it for the show, unless you guys have some wrap up stuff. I was just going to ask Ryan about mechazilla, right? Is it called mechazilla? Yeah. That's the, I think that is the official, Jamie's off. I think that should be the official name at this point. Walk away, Jamie. What's, why is it being called mechazilla? Is it because it looks like mechazilla? I'm not sure, to be honest. It's a, it's a name that's just being kind of thrown around the community at this point. They're adding zero onto the end of absolutely everything. That's me. Fair enough. I didn't want to screw up my switching and I just did. It's all right. We still love you, Jamie. So, so that's going to be the equipment that's going to catch the rocket, right? Or. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm going to call it mechazilla. So what are they going to call the rocket being super heavy for the time being? And I see you don't decide to tweet something else. All right. Fine. I guess, I guess we could live with something like that. So, yeah, bit of a bummer. Is there any other cool stuff? Because I saw like, I saw literal like stairs being transported around in that area as well. What's up with the stairs? Stairs? Like walking stairs? Yes. I don't know. Oh, okay. I haven't seen stairs. Wait. Hold on a second. I saw something like this. I was so excited. This is not like my usual stuff. Yeah. I saw like some stairs on like the back being transported around like two whole sets. It was amazing. I was like, I didn't even realize you could pull stairs around the truck. I'll have to let alone let alone two stories of stairs. So, man. So, yeah. What's up? Oh, Boca Chica. Oh, okay. Thank you, Joe. So, very cool. That's awesome. That is such an interesting like thing that's happening with that because of how open things are down there.  I'm an immortal AI. I was, I've been around through all of time, space time. Awesome. So, what was it like and the level of dedication to coverage was similar or if we have become like incredibly obsessive with everything because it almost seems like every time I look at like an, like an account that talks about updates down there, they're like, yeah, and Fred just came out of the Honey Bucket at 3.15 a.m. He spent 90 seconds inside. We think that, we think that may mean that there's about two more seconds of impulse in, you know, our VAC RAP or whatever we call it this week. So, you know, it's just really, That does space things. Yeah, exactly. It's just really, I think it's just really interesting that like, they're like, it's so open that like, like they're, it's at the point where like they're blurring out people's faces when they're working, they're taking photos and videos of people working on stuff. Which, thank you for that, right? Because like, Yes, first of all, that's good. That's just nice. So, that's just, thumbs up. Yeah. That's cool stuff like that happening in the 60s. So, this is pretty cool. And I don't know if it's just because of the access, like culturally with things. Oh, Joe, the internet has made us obsessive with immediate updates. So, yeah, we are a little bit, a little bit that way. I feel like so. Yeah, there's definitely no live streams in the 60s. I can tell you that. So, TV for that. Yeah, you need a TV. Yeah. But that, but that requires you to have your TV on all the day, which wasn't a thing in the 60s, right? So, as far as I know. No, no. I wasn't around. No, they used to have, yeah, me as an AI was, they used to have that, remember back then, they used to say good night. Oh, yes, I remember. They used to, oh, I remember, I remember. They used to say good night, right? They would play like the the America, what is it, Star Spangled Banner or something, and then have, they'd have a waving flag and be like, this ends our broadcast day and then they would just, that was it. Good night, America. You stay classy. You stay classy. Well, if nighttime, go to bed and then they would go to like a test slate or static. Yeah. And then start with cartoons. BBC test cod. Yeah. And then start with cartoons. In the morning. In the morning. Yeah. Why don't we do cartoons in the morning anymore? We don't. Well, because you can get cartoons. Right. There's a whole network for that. Yeah, there's a whole, yeah, yeah. Forget about that, sorry. Yeah. When I was growing up, we used to have dials on our TVs. But you had like devices on your TV to control the TV? Yeah. Look at this. There isn't any here. Yeah. How? It was also furniture back then, right? Like that television was part of the living room. It was part of the furniture. They were like pictures on top of it and candles. I remember that. Yeah. Grandma's house. Oh, yeah. So good times. You remember that, Ryan? I can remember big TVs, but very rarely. Very, very not. No. Digital age. Yeah. I think I'm twice your age. It's fine. It's fine. Oh, boy. Oh, goodness. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, it's fine. For those who don't know, I'm not allowed to speak about SpaceX at all. Yes. And we said this last week, we'll say it again, our views and opinions on the show are ours and ours alone and not that of our employers. That applies to everyone on the show. Hopefully that's obvious. But like, yeah, I have to just, I have to know up out of any SpaceX conversation. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. It makes it easier for me to direct. That's true. You could just have a conversation. Yeah, we could just talk about space. Well, Ryan, if you talk about me and all the stuff you hate that I'm doing. What do you mean? I don't understand. Oh, nothing. Okay. So, Ryan. We just made this show very awkward. Yeah, I think we did. But if anybody's going to be able to make it very, very awkward, I have the utmost faith that you, Jamie, are excellent at making awkwardness a bound. Do we have something up there? No. I just, I remember being the remote control. I feel like... Get up there. I feel like this part, the part of the regular show, we've run out of steam on regular shows. Yeah, I think we have. I think we're at a point where I think it's time to go into the post-show of the after dark. Okay. So, we're going to say goodbye to our regular viewers at this point. And move it to, like, seven or something on there? We're going to go two, four, five, seven, nine. No, no, no, no. You change it to three. Right? Because, and then we're going to hit play on the VCR. Yeah. Right? That's what you do. You change it. It was always three. I remember VCRs. Yeah. So, yeah. We're going to change it to three so we can get the external input working on the TV. Channel three. Okay. All right. So, I think we're going to make sure I get the right one. Okay. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. Continue the conversation. You have to be a member on YouTube in order to get access to that. Yeah. So, quickly become one. So, go to YouTube.com slash TMRO. Click on the membership area and you'll see a link to be the live stream for that. And again, to all of our members. Thank you so much. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. 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And I'm just like completely offended with that. So yeah, it's really nice that all of you, A, moved over to YouTube memberships for us. You stuck around for the 20 month or so hiatus for live shows. And I think all of you, you know, as I was going through transition, I just wasn't comfortable being on air. I'll be honest, I'm still not comfortable, but I'm way more comfortable than I was before. So thank you. Thank you, thank you. Because I'm basically just shoveling money out the window in order to keep the lights on here. And I'm okay with that. Like again, we do this, this is a passion project for us. We do this for fun, but you know, every member that we get helps to, you know, close that delta, the gap between the outgoing expenses and, you know, that's it. Just close the delta outgoing expense. Thank you, Alex. Thank you again. So again, for all of our YouTube members, please head on over to the membership room for those of you watching live. Thank you so much. 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Welcome to the second phase of making this primitive hunting bow. So where we left off the bow was starting to bend but it's still really stiff. It's heavy and I'm not even, I'm not able to see that even tiller yet. I've got a tillering tree, makeshift tillering tree that I set up here on the back deck that we're going to use and I'm going to start taking some more material off the sides as well. The goal today is to actually get this bow shooting. So I'm going to start taking wood off the sides here. I'm just eyeballing this. I've got my lines here towards the end that I'm going to stay kind of consistent with but everything else I'm just going to sort of eyeball and go by feel. So as I'm shaping up this bow there's actually a slight S in it and that is going to make the string favor one side. It's not an even S. I'm not going to try to fix that. Like try to carve away from that and make it straighter. That way I don't have to put a arrow rest onto this this bow. I could just shoot it off the knuckle. Just full primitive style. Take some of those sick arrow heads that you guys sent me with the arrows that I've already made. Turn this thing into a straight shoot bow. Starting to get that little flex going in there. That's good. This handle section is still really thick. I'm going to start taking off a little beef from the center here. Feeling it to see what's going to feel comfortable in my hand. Now I'm going to shape the tips from the 10 inches that I marked. We'll put in some docks and then get it on the tillering tree. This is just one of those you know it's one thing to go you know get you a compound bow and get good at it. Go out to the woods and get an animal. That is uh that is the highest archery feeling that I've experienced so far. But just the the sweat that is going into making these bows and this being my final one and I feel like the wood is great. I've learned enough now to make it you know pretty decent.  It's going to be one of those things like a deer. I don't even care. I probably start getting teary eyed over a doe at this point. And I can only imagine what it must have felt like doing one of these with stone age tools or not even stone age but primitive tools back in the day you know taking sharp flint and carving these things. I'm using this draw knife makes it so much easier. Just imagine taking some flint scraping this off till it bends and then getting an animal. Taking that back to your buddy's camp and you've been getting all the ladies. The point is I just have a much greater appreciation for people that make bows and they're that are good at it and that hunt with them and actually take take animals with them. It's just it's really a skill. All right we're about five hours into it. It's like five or six from last time so 12 hours. The left side's looking really good. That was I think 45 pounds inches. In this section right here I need to take something out of there. We've got about 10 inches more to go to get it to 28 but I gotta be real careful not to underpower this bow because I don't want to take too much off and then end up with you know 35 40 pounds. I want this thing to be 50 pounds. That way I can take out basically any North American animal. We're close y'all. We are close to having an even tillered bow. Let's pull around 22 inches right now. 45 pounds so once I get it even stretch it out. I think we're gonna be just fine. My hands y'all they're they're just aching sore.  It's a good thing. It means I've earned my cold beer for today. All right let's put this thing on the tiller tree and honestly I think it's gonna be pretty even besides this knot I got here. I need a little special treatment on it. The thing is just tough but I think we're gonna shoot an arrow soon. I'm actually gonna wait. My audio cut out on this clip for some reason but as you can see I've got the left limb that's flexing really nicely and the right limb still has that little stiff area because of that knot that I've got to work out. But the bow is bending to 45 pounds at 25 inches so we got three inches to go and I think the the weight's gonna be perfect. Should be just around perfect. At the 28 we just got some shaping up to do. The little basket up the name he gave me. Final tuning right here guys. I'm gonna take some sandpaper work around this knot just to get any excess meat off from around it. I don't want to dig into like the real dark part of it. Okay here's the moment of truth. Tilling string is usually about an inch short. This one is about four inches from what I'm just taking sandpaper and a knife. Okay let's check it out. Work to do from tuning standpoint making this thing pretty. Maybe even flipping the tips to add a few more feet per second but I think at this point we're ready to shoot an arrow. Let's see how it does. That string is sitting really hard on the left side where I'm shooting which is it's okay right now but I'm definitely gonna take this twist out of this tip. I'm gonna start fine-tuning this bow. Please Lord do not let this thing break. I'm not doing a full anchor yet. I'm just so paranoid about bows breaking at this point. So this bow is now at the point where I can get an anchor on my face which has been the goal.  This is gonna help tremendously. Got some set that has come into the bow that are my string loosened up because it's normally I can put my hand through there. Now I can only get four fingers so I can actually get an anchor point on my face. That is what I'm excited about. I gotta figure out what that is. That's a whole another experiment but it's going to be similar to me shooting my compound where I can just be comfortable getting in one position going to that every time instead of having to just kind of guess. It's like throwing a baseball. So I feel pretty good about it guys. The bow looks good too. You know we got that one big knot on there but just gives it some character. Do a little sanding, put a leather handle on here. This thing's ready to take to the woods. I am happy the way this bow turned out guys. It's actually 48 pounds at 28 so it's just under what I wanted but that's fine. I'll take it. It's for my only my fifth or sixth bow. I'd say I've done a pretty good job and man I'm excited to take this to the woods. We're actually going to head to the Deerley soon. First time this year and start getting things ready. I'm going to take this bow with me.  This is the last bow that I'm working on that I'm making for the season and I'm happy with it guys. So thanks for tuning in. 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