We asked the planning to come and talk to us about their recommendation for the zoning administrator Do you want to do that in an open session or would you like to do that in executive session? Yeah agreed It's a personal matter. All right. I should see an executive Yes, I move we move we go I First move it I move we go into executive session on the ground that the grounds And this is a personal matter we have to we want to we have to invite Yes We should invite Jan and any other planning commission member who happens to be present. I can't tell yeah I'll second the meeting. I'll second that all right Okay Yep, thank you You want to brownie? Yeah, thank you I'll be there Additions and changes to the agenda David Healy emailed me Probably maybe an hour ago. Maybe I have We're having an hour hour or more ago. He's on his way back from Maine and He's scheduled to present at eight about CD fiber But he doesn't think it's gonna be back in time. So I wanted to know if the board objected to hearing about REMC and the opioids settlement notice First and then let David Healy go after that. Is that all right everybody works? Yep, are we not doing road commissioner at 7.15? Yeah, you're right here.  I'm getting there mark Okay, I just can't see much Let's see. Oh, you know what we need to do first I forgot was to approve the purchase of a new computer for the town her computer died and She needs a new workstation. That's a permanent town office And we got a quote on That and it was I don't know if there's a quote in here Oh, yeah workstation quote. Here we go Mark, can you see that document? Mark, you can see okay good the total cost. Yes, I can okay the total cost of the workstation is 1649 and you'll remember when we recently authorized the purchase of a laptop for Jeremy There was an issue with supply and demand apparently That's not such an issue with standalone So the same thing sort of applies here as it did when we Authorized the purchase of one for Jeremy that would need to come out of the Technology reserve fund So it does anybody object to a news computer for the treasure Okay, then I would make a motion that we move forward and authorize the purchase of a new computer for the town treasurer Consistent with the quote from RB tech Second right any further discussion mark any questions? No, okay. All those in favor, please say hi. Hi Mark, can you say out loud? Okay? Thank you. All right. I I captain Okay, next up next up what? Hello, Mr. Weck You shall Okay, you met on site with Alfred, so today you should have received an email with amended language. Yeah, it's on the screen So in essence what the road commissioners asked the cop to do is pay for a part of the future work Okay, and we left off with Where we left off when we were here was it the last one in 27 that You weren't you had agreed in good faith not to move forward and That the line was going to go underground and then because Alfred raised concerns about the culvert issue You agreed to look at putting the lines up above and there was a James Dugan from the State Historic Preservation Office that raised a concern did Whatever what happened with that so kind before I respond and I just thought you've got the right sequence, but Dugan was not we didn't present anything but the The concern that he got involved and doesn't relate to what I call can be where there's been pulled Okay, so there was no issue there and when we met with the state last Friday the last one day You know that wasn't part of the conversation So when you say you met with the state on Friday, was that the HPC state Different people from that office twice Say what Scott Dylan is yeah, okay, and they didn't have any I mean they had their opportunity to raise concerns if they had any I'd say So select board what would you see you're recommending that we move forward with what is up here is like plan B Added language Okay, so what what this says is what is period missile permit When the town has a future public replacement project crew Then we'll open switches to each side what will feed the marines What will pull the power the conduit will be removed? When the town has completed the culvert You'll put the poles back and then somewhere. I saw you said it's something about Weckwood pay It's not on this particular document The one I sent you this afternoon I would say that was the Original before we added language today So it was in your email And I neglected Right There's another one that he revised Clarifying that making sure that it's in writing. Did it go to the full board you John Rick do you see that? I am not seeing it in my email right here now. I'm in there. Let me just see if I And my I got my email here, too. I forgot I That's not it Sorry Well, supposedly I can get to my email from here, but I don't seem to be able to You oh wait, you know what here I do have it because it was sent to my personal email and not my callous select for night forward it Okay, here it is I've got it So I've got them. I've got one that you sent Seven hours ago Still it's this one doesn't still doesn't say Oh, yeah, weckwood pay the cost for disconnection and reconnection of the three phase and communication lines and relocation Under the future culvert coordinating with the town road commissioner. Okay. Got it So that's an email but not in the folder. Yeah, I didn't see this No, Jeremy Jeremy needs to go to Katie. Oh, yeah, that's okay All right, so Right, so what we can do we just want to make sure the right the right document is on the record, right? So we what we can do is we could Well, we already approved this So it's it's a clarification of something we already approved, right? So it's sort of like an amendment So we just the existing permit that we approved on September So I am making exception. I make him seven. I make a motion that we accept August 24th. I make a motion that we accept the amendment to the web permit Approved on August 24th, right and then I can just We can just send this amendment to Attach that makes sense everybody. Yeah, Mark. Are you good with that? I am I'll vote yes Okay, good and then what's how does it get how does the right version get on file in the town office? I will send it to to Jeremy to attach to The permit that we approved on August 24th, and you can make that part of the land records Yeah, they usually attach the minutes. Thank you. Yep. Okay. Thank you Okay All right Here's bad John I Learned to bring more than one pen because yeah, they still you pens don't they Marks a pen thief Agenda So we've done wek I Notified mr. Carmichael that this was going to be on the agenda for tonight. This is the one where you thought that he Already put in the curb cat. He says he didn't He said he would come to our meeting when we scheduled it. I sent him the agenda Sent him an email and again. I don't see him here Yeah, I meant He sort of explained Connix box, okay Connix box for storage truck was having a hard time So he puts some Base gravel and three inch minus for a base So the truck could get in and out And you could have this connet box delivered So that to me This is an access But I sort of nicely scolded him and said that you know, this is not acceptable you did the work before Do you clean up well, there was nothing really to clean up it's I Mean if this is approved, he's gonna add more gravel to it Yeah, there's not a pipe going in in other words. There's no that's right. That was what the permit So the site all right, he just brings it up to spec at that point all right so So he acknowledges Work was done before permitted Before permitted Due to other circumstances, I guess right Okay, and I do think we should note that he acknowledges that it shouldn't have happened Yeah, that's what I said acknowledges worked on before permitted due to other circumstances Good enough. I Just want to make sure it's really more about not encouraging other people to do the same thing Sure, we say whatever needs to be said to that Yeah Okay, so applicant acknowledges wrongdoing Not how about we have applicant acknowledges not following process Okay, and now back to the actual Site you said the site distance meets standards distance is fine. I want to say site distance meets standards It's below the road and water's gonna find its own way Okay And he'll build he'll bring that to the beat 71 right? Yeah, I mean that's Right Yeah, I've got it on you Meets site site Meets site distance require standards be 71, right? Well, that'd be the design and be 71 design. Yeah, that's just Yeah, geometry Yeah Meet be 71 design You're a standard design standards Okay, anything else All right, no, then we approve that as as noted as noted Mark Second. All right. All those in favor, please favor. Please say aye. All right. Bye Any opposed hearing none? Motion carries. I'll send this around for signature All right, next up is Neal maker All right, so you are looking to I know what your House is and then there's the field. This is not my house. I'm on behalf of Sam Potter and Mary Blake who bought the property it was Janet Ancels. Okay. Yeah, I'm helping them with a logging job It's a curve cut going into the field Kent Hill Road kind of Yeah, he'll put across from the town so that they can get in there to move the field and so that we can Put a landing for a logging job So it's more like a farm access pipe Yeah, is it just is it temporary or is it permanent? We were going to make it a permanent thing and put a talk to offered and talked about Easier access for knowing that field and stuff Have you looked at the site Beautiful Okay, so wait a minute, so site distance meets standards Make me to it does it meet standards. We need to we need to formalize the form. Yeah, we do so you'll have So you just check boxes then all you do is check boxes put your little initials there. You're being initials Yeah Well, but you could look at the the applicant. Yeah, that's a toilet. Yeah, that's not what I Have that that's not what we've talked about. I mean, they're still gonna fill out their form, right? But for you to have something that actually notes, you know list the standard. So you're saying yes meets Yes meets Okay, so Culver I couldn't hear what you said 15 inch color I think yeah, I know where it is and I yeah, it's pretty good there Once once this is installed, you know the town will have to go and clean the ditch Because right now we've got you got like a water but runoff So Water bar and not the water come down to the pulver Do we need to specify that this is like a farm access versus, you know, so if there is a change of use on that land like a building You know I mean, I don't know or they're gonna build it to the be 71 Yeah Once you grab that if it's built, I think what I'm hearing what I thought I heard you say was Right now We think it's just gonna be for logging and that kind of a curb cut access And what are you asking if somebody decided they wanted to build a house there would they need to come back? Right, I'm asking to change use of the curb cut. It wouldn't if it's built to the be 71 We I don't know if we differentiate here. No between because we haven't heard yeah right of ways and stuff like that can be specific, but okay, so site site meets standard site distance meet standards 15 inch culvert and follow be 71 standards That's about it All right, is there anything else mark do you have any questions? No, I don't okay So I would make a motion that we approve the curb cut With the conditions that it meets site distance standards 15 inch culvert and follow the be 71 standards Second okay All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right And it's actually it's this is a small thing, but it's not on the condition that it's because it meets, right? It does meet and it will be installed consistent with that but let the site stuff is already does meet Right, the site distance And then the okay, and our conditions are this 15 inch culvert and it follows this be 71 standards All right All right, that one needs to be signed. Thanks Neil. Thank you all Thanks Status of the hiring for a road crew. I know Barbara did some additional advertising for you They were not well he had been right she had been running them for you and she was right Yeah, so I think she was waiting for you to give her direction so you've done that so the ads will run again And we're putting in a You're putting in a thing that like kind of highlights the benefits involved. Yes, the world Argus The same words the same Yep And it's so what I'm hearing it's across the board It's everywhere. I wouldn't just shaz in Montpelier on Saturday Saturday afternoon the deli was closed because there's nobody to work on a Saturday afternoon, it's like That's a pretty popular place on a Saturday afternoon We're seeing it in all the construction contractors everybody we deal with the state the question is do we want to You know for us, I mean that we what we don't if we can avoid being caught short-handed this winter we want to do that We should be looking pretty rapidly. We don't get a fast response. We I think we should try having You know a signing bonus or something like that. I mean anything you can to incentivize this so we can well, but also we talked a couple weeks ago about a Contingency plan, and I'm just gonna mention that I don't remember didn't we have a date specific next meeting next meeting Alfred's gonna come back with a contingency plan Looking forward to that Alfred, but this It's not the solution It's not a Contingency plan is never the solution It's our backup. It's a preparedness thing. You have to be prepared for because even if we hire somebody You know You're already it's all everybody, you know Shaw's contingency plan obviously includes shutting the deli right on Saturday afternoons Not ideal has to be done We have to what we'll have to do to there for a couple reasons a big one in this too is aside from having a merchant emergency backup But it gives us some prep time to get out before bad weather hits on things like front porch form We've got to inform me. This is look guys. We don't have the bandwidth, right? You know, so we're gonna have to decrease service Right to make plans. Well, that's where so we wanted to find that as best we can And I know it's a little bit of a moving target Well, you don't yet and when you have to implement that plan Alfred because the circumstances gonna arise Whether you plan for it or you don't if it arrives that it rises So the point is to plan for it. So, you know when oh shucks I'm down to three people. This is the plan rather than Oh shucks. Now. I got to make a plan and it's 4 a.m Right, so you don't have to yeah, you don't want to have to do triage Right, you're not shooting from the hip at the last minute instead. We know the plan We communicate to the town in the meantime. Let's try to get I mean, I would think something like the signing bonus is an obvious one that Resonates money, you know what we don't want to be in that situation It's not going to be a good scenario Well, then I wondered I mentioned this to Rick and as I thought more about it I don't think I don't even think it would work even if it could work because of insurance was You know, could we contract with East about failure to do a portion of that end of town Then as I got to thinking about it, it might even if they said yes, I don't know How insurance wise something like that would work whether you know It was Woodbury or a lister or don't he's not clear Sort of got that already in place You know, it's sort of the same idea as mutual aid when fired when fire trucks need Yeah, one town to another Sort of the same thing. That's I've talked with Cabot. I've talked with these small player And they all say let's just work it out. We'll work it out amongst ourselves One of us needs a trucker Question is can we manage that big a chunk where we're down to say if we're down a quarter of our Man hours, you know, that's an awful lot to ask of say we might be able to get a little piece of that back That's a good idea. That's a way of partially filling that hole, right for an emergency, but I'm thinking right This is this is most of the winter Well, but can we get more clear about that because Well, if if we had an emergency That's what kind of emergency would What kind of emergency would Would would Not warrant, but if I guess I'm gonna have to say if if we had a snow emergency Cabot's got a snow emergency too. So what kind of what kind of emergency lends itself to Cabot or East Montpelier helping us Well, if we were to have a truck go down Say we blew a motor on the truck and we're short the truck, right? We could figure out routes Between me and another road commissioner to figure out how they how we could Fill that route but having but permanently Or semi permanently not having this other road proof person. I think it's different, right? It's it's different, right? That's those are MOUs for emergency circumstances. So they're short, you know in terms of insurance we already do don't we a little bit of Just efficiency like isn't there something like over in my part of town where you do a little East Montpelier on the edge And they do a little callus on the edge Right, but I'm thinking if we had this right but in terms of insurance So I'm so this so I'm asking that to go with the insurance question Yeah, so if if an East Montpelier employee Is allowed to drive the truck and do work in callus. It's still covered under East Montpelier's insurance, right? Yes, are there any limitations on that that we're aware of? Well, that's not kind of my question is right and I don't know the answer I didn't have to is it X number of hours That's what I'm thinking is it It's a municipal employee driving in a municipal truck they might have something different to say if our command we're driving it Yeah, but well, that's good. I just wanted that that makes sense to me I wanted to be clear on that does that make sense? It makes sense now we keep saying out loud I hope somebody somewhere tells us we're wrong about that assumption. I mean you would think it looks it doesn't have limitations on it in a Scenario X number of hours. Yeah a scenario where let's say it's just not worth bringing up. No, I agree. I agree in a scenario where Let's say it's my feeling was plowing up some road section for us if they hit Let's say they hit another car past your car. There is somewhere it might come after both entities, right? Because they're gonna it might it would be town of callus plus Is it was an East Montpelier? Yeah, but it's all it's all covered through There was a contract. Yeah, if the town of callus with a town of East Montpelier then That might they might be able to come back on both, right? If we're just doing a swap That truck that gets in the accident is insured. It's no matter if it hits Yeah, yeah, house resident or a Berlenton resident. It doesn't matter that truck is insured for So if we had a contract that way as long as it's as long as it's municipal work, right? Yeah, and if there's a contract there was a contract in writing that East Montpelier is going to do blah blah blah for the season of December through March Then that might be different But we don't have that contract It was spelled out as to what they were doing and it was clear that it's the callus road and they're working for callus It would be our insurance lawyer could probably say well callus you hired this guy Sure coming after you for for right, okay, but but yeah, we're not but we're not there. We're not there Suggested we'd be there, right? Well, I was just throwing out an idea. We're going for the immediate. Let's try to get somebody on step That's the ideal the thing we'd want to know Is is is the priority route because there might be but of course another possibility It's not hiring sale and he's Montpelier, but is there can we hire? Private contractors to do if we had certain things that we had to get done But we don't have to bandwidth. We'd have to go that way so we'd want to know What those routes were couldn't cover and then can we find a local contractor? I mean there's several That would be part of the contingency plan. That's right. That's what we thought of that and then we'll put that in there as an option Okay, if we can find something right right these trucks that that do the job we do are pretty well set I mean they're they're specialized. They're specialized for for plowing rows now You know, there's not many contractors that have that setup So some of your one some of your contingency planning Is going to be around the assumption that we cannot get it all done, right? Yes, okay, which are going to be the that's which are the main Three guys Right, you know and being come on road. Oh my golly. You probably won't You know, well, I think that they'll they'll all get plowed eventually But we're not going to meet that seven o'clock Plowing right, right. I think that's I think that's the what's most important is that we Is that we have that kind of planning in place because the the the the emergency, you know trucks out If You know, those things are going to happen all the time I like that way of thinking because that We've talked about that kind of thinking before as ways of just being more efficient across towns And we can also if we know some of these things are possibility We can let folks know some front porch forum And we can let folks know if it's a really bad storm Check the website because we can get somebody one of the webmasters to put up a A ribbon I think they call it a ribbon, you know notice You know, you know, to continue to see plan Whatever a place is in place. Yeah, here's the link to see the plan. Yeah, orange. Orange code orange No, that's great and that and that way Or and then and we can post something on front porch forum the day before It's no storm event likely to happen. It's possible or definitely check the website for further details We'll know we'll you know, we'll put it up on the website if plan b is in place or d or whatever Well, I think mainly that too. It's like getting that sooner rather than later So we can start that education. I think that's going to be that's going to be such a huge stress Relief, believe it or not to know that We foresaw This scenario we planned for it. You have the resources you need for this scenario Everybody knows Go right and you know, and there's going to we're going to get pushed back some people Won't like it but at least we're we're being proactive and that gets it off Alford's back frankly That's my point. We can deal with that. Yes, you shouldn't be having to deal with that fight Yeah, as long as we're trying to keep the road safe. Yeah, we want yeah, that's If we're if we're able to define it early enough then we can well and we can when we have the plan We can post it. Yeah We can send it around on front porch forum Like people people will object to some of it probably But we're going to do the best we can to maintain the roads I think we can actually as I mentioned this before I'm I'm I'm happy to do this. We can actually Outside of the agenda let people know we're starting to do contingency planning. It's really hard to hire This is going to be a topic at our next select board meeting. So I mean we're being that proactive and letting people know That we're well, we can certainly put it on the agenda for next time. I like that And then have Yeah, maybe be uber clear contingency Can I enter road maintenance contingency plan? Let's why don't we do this can we because I've already asked to have this The hiring on every agenda forward until we get that filled and then let's put those side by side because they're really related Hiring challenges and call it hiring challenges. Yeah, that sounds good because then and then Contingency planning that ought to be a good heads up to people with the road maintenance contingency planning Yeah, and then status of road crew hiring challenges So the road crew hiring challenges first and then went to road maintenance contingency plan is going to be sort of a working Parag. Yeah, well, it's not going to just happen Well, and as you know, we're going to bring ideas to us for ideas Yeah Can you check with local roads too So Yeah, and that's a very way you've got and we'll discuss it too. We'll have ideas I think you can check with local roads Yeah, if Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's on your list if you alfred it will be a work in progress, but definitely Just lock yourself into cells Like an excel, you know, not literally but like an excel like okay Scenario where I've got three guys I've only got three guys What do I do? That's it. Just lock yourself right into that thinking. I've got four guys, but three trucks What am I going to do and then think of things like the road priority because that's really important because there's some things that are going to need it more often Right, right. It's a weekend. It's a school day We're going to be able to change anything It's the only way we're going to keep up is if we minus some of the roads Right, we put some of this And what we're what we're doing is giving you permission To actually write that down and say if I only had three guys, this is my plan I got four guys and one of the trucks broke down, right? So there's all kinds of scenarios, but I want to see if mark has anything Oh wait, can I just say that one thing that's really important and we want to and it is I just want to make sure mark gets a chance to weigh in Okay You know, I'm fine. I think you guys have covered it. Okay. Well, what we haven't covered and this is you usually work with You give recommendations to the school boards on road conditions The question is if we like do this scenario planning, it's going to impact those routes So they're going to have to be specifically notified too. And if we have contingency plans ourselves for reducing it Some of these snow and snow emergency routes might have to be plowed With more frequency. The question is can they modify their routes? So we don't have to do everything because well, we should make sure I'll make sure that we invite School board members. Yeah, at least our contingent Yeah And the principal Is it supervisory union, they usually have a bus committee I was on it for a while That's when I was on the school board, you know, and they And they've got to be happy that we're thinking about this Well, definitely the first student who's I think I haven't gotten the routes for this year Well, they've added another bus Yeah, I heard that there's four buses. Yeah First of course, it's going to change the routes in the location of each bus. So I Well, I think they try to get that here so we can Well, and I think they should come The school board and listen to the meeting next time Because you've got to know what those routes are or else you can't do contingency plan Yes, right. They usually send it to me. Well, usually we have a meeting down there Have lunch and we talk about plans what worked last year, what didn't work Yeah, I remember you guys do that with all the world commissioners in the district And they and they haven't done that yet. They haven't done that yet So that should be the like the school board Representatives whoever's managing that school busing Yeah, and then simultaneously first student because I think first students probably still doing the contracting right They do the route planning per se. I mean they they actually do all the they're they we want them in the room if we Start getting into these nitty-gritty conversations because they're the that's the logistical piece. They're going to know What that means to trim something off The school board people won't So we'll want to get them Well and cat fair should be aware too of what's going on. Yeah. Yeah, right? All right, so can we move on?  I don't think next Maybe but we'll get it's getting started. That's always the hardest part just to get started Okay, so let's talk about oh, did you have anything else? You didn't give me anything else for the agenda, so I'm assuming you know I got to figure out something what we're going to do with ed He is now not interested in full time. Okay Because he doesn't want to Well, he doesn't want to freeze that his retirement is his biggest issue and his insurance Health insurance He's unclear as to which would be which would but the biggest thing is he doesn't want to freeze his retirement and he doesn't want to He knows he doesn't want to work another five years to invest in the second retirement. Okay, so He's willing to stay with us and work But he the main thing he wants is some of the benefits like the holidays he wants holidays he wants You mean paid? Yes The one thing that I hear Okay, well, that's the most and I mean, I suppose we could do up some kind of a Letter of temporary employment paid. He wants paid holidays Is that pretty much it? That's what I'm hearing. Okay. Well, let's see what we can do and uh, I'm still I'm still Nervous about whether it's okay for us to have them full time or being a working 40 hours and not be full time Yeah, that's right. I gotta check the personally. Yeah, I'll check Not 20. I think I think anything over 20 hours that I know at the state Right to meet this kind of federal. It's 1040 hours of the state has 1040 is Part time It was and then 24 that's the that's a total cap, but we also couldn't exceed I've hired temps before at this date Right, and I can't exceed though that I can't do 30 hours one We can tend the next few if we exceeded the 20 that could get us in trouble. That's why They were real specific when I don't know the laws around but I know I was warned by HR people when we did it that we couldn't all right. Let me check with them. So that's Let me check with Jim on temporary Personnel policy it says 30 to 32 Well, that's That's the cutoff for benefits. Yeah, but not like for instance the assistant town cleric and treasurer Um, that's a regular Position position, you know, it's regular schedule. It's a regular to well. It's a regular position. It's not a temporary So if that position were to go to You know 32 hours a week then that position would be eligible for benefits, but it's different because it's not temporary Permanent permanent part time. Well, I guess if you can Just give me a number what what the legal and okay number is per week I can work the schedule to right only work him to that number of hours. Okay If it's 32, I can sorry. I missed the beginning I'll double check the personnel policy get in trouble. I don't want the town to get in trouble Right for exceeding so many hours of temporary because we're calling somebody who should be full time part time Well, no, we're not. No, we're calling him We're calling him part time But no, he has to be we have to be consistent. He has to be called a temporary right No, I'm yeah, I don't think that you have to leave here with any question I agree with what Denise just said a temporary person seasonally hired to Who may or may not be working 32 hours a week or or more? um it's not subject to benefits and is And that's the difference between a permanent party time And a temporary right would be subject absolutely to overtime for going over 40 hours, right? But not could happen Yeah, but he would write with that. But that has nothing to do with benefits benefits are a permanent position working at least 32 hours Well, that's our that's our standard. That's our policy, right? Right? It used to be fewer, right? And I'm not afraid of us getting in trouble with that or at getting us in trouble. I just don't want The labor and industry or somebody finding out that we're working this guy 40 hours Right or more and then say, well, wait, wait a minute. Why isn't he getting benefits or why isn't he getting No, if he's just want to be clear that's all as a temporary on for a while now and it's going to Right, just when you talk about it Make sure you say it's temporary and not part time because temporary could mean You know one hour a week or 30 hours a week Usually a permanent part time has a schedule Scheduled number of hours period Well, it's a it's a position who's You know, it's it's a position that Yeah, I used to deal with this like a job description That yeah, I mean that would have been subject to the labor contracts, right? Alfred's right. I mean wage an hour, but I did not in this No, a temporary Over 40 hours. We would be paying overtime, right? Yeah, because you have to yes, that's true under the wage an hour laws Yeah, right. You're that you're flagging right even for temporary Okay, we need to Keep moving unless there's something else But next meeting should be good. I'm looking forward to Yeah, coming up how much time should we set aside? Private chunk Think I well between the two items. Yeah, Alfred. Can you get us something ahead of time to look at I can try Yeah, try try hard Well, I try hard at everything. I know you do but I also have to manage I know The guys and we're going to start putting in putting trucks together and plows on stuff Oh, right. Let's get that done. There's no like there's not even frost but Alfred I will be with you ahead of time to help you just document your thinking or rick is Is like was in your world more than I do So I'm actually emailing you right now. You would get it more than I on the other hand You have to explain yourself really clearly, which would be good practice if it were me Yeah, I'm going to just give me all the basics and we let's talk about We know this doesn't have to be a finished plan. Let's get started I'm doing it. I'm emailing it to him and it'll be you know, it'll be let's look at a rough priority of roots We'd want to keep or not and we'll base that on different scenarios Yeah, and different need like snow emergency and then we'll want to have you know, if you know of things that are, you know But but it's always going to be it with with a limited You know, what's the limited resource? So we're going to look at that Well, first we figure out what we've got to do, you know, and then we look at we know If we're short, we know we have x number of man hours to work with You know how long it takes to do a rodeo or well, you know to so we back into this We back those hours into our priorities. We know we've got a Do you have the uvm study because I would encourage you to look at Their recommendations on the roots just to look at As you know Yeah, I couldn't look I didn't look at it with this in my They might have some kind of planters in there. I don't know I've got to figure out a time when I can meet with you because I'm working. Thank you. Yes. Thanks sovereign. Thank you Did you have enough cookies? Yes, I'm good. So you need some more chocolate then? Yeah, no I'm good. Thank you. Okay Um Let's talk about regional emergency management Appointment did you get did you talk to Betty? Uh, I never left messages. I did not get She'd be good. I think she would she was Betty wish Betty She's really I had a long talk Betty She's been helping us with the local hazard mitigation Yeah, she's very organized very and she's done emergency management kind of work before she's high energy Yeah, so I'm trying so can we just put you on Dogging that I am I already have I'm reaching as soon as I hear from her. I'll email back.  She's come she came to a Meeting once like on zoom. Yep. You yeah, she's come and she has she's been I met her and michael You know who he had first and fitness Woodfield So this one more thing you saw this Did anybody else get this in the mail in the like the snail mail this opioid I was this national opioid settlement.  I did not get that I was looking for my email to see we got something that's yeah, I supported it on it's also in the Google folder. Let's see if we can bring it up. Here it is Um And our town attorney recommends that we just sign on and we would do that through Through him You know nothing there may be nothing come of it Or there may be a settlement in the state And therefore the town would receive some type of compensation So jim jim suggestion was to go ahead and register No, no, no harm done to register This is not one of those where we had to participate in some more group or something. No, okay. No And it's probably going to be, you know, however many years it takes for This to go through the settlement process, right? Mark right Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it could be a decade before this something like this. Yeah, but there's no reason not to participate, right? All right, so show I make a motion that we Um, participate in the national opioid settlement notice So second Second Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye unanimous. Thank you. All right, mr. Healy You made it back from Maine Are you running you're just in time What would you like me to be? Um, I'm going to call up your slides I do but you can join us at the table. Yeah, sit at the table. Here's your slides Um, thank you for indulging in my lateness. Yeah, we just moved a couple things It's all good If it had been somebody that we were expecting to come in person one of these items and It's so easy I think it's been a couple months since I've updated it. Yep. Come on up, Bill And a lot has happened actually and The reason I'm late is I'm coming out We spent the day visiting one of the potential operated developers today It's coming from Maine Joe leave unnamed until we decide what we're doing But so it was really good to see it. We have two top quality candidates to Develop and operate the network So that's good. We're hoping to have them on board by Sometimes in December But in terms of you know where we're at we're Designed a phase build up for what we want to do and how we want to do it We have the pull inventory going in Calis. It should be finished It's being done by Ustis. You've probably seen the trucks around. Yeah poor people. They have a hard time The gps doesn't work I'm hiring the findables not We have all it's all the young people that are used to doing everything on gps Anyway, so we're Out of that information collecting we have to file applications to do attachments to the polls another process Which we'll be doing in In our partnership with quick we may not have to do it may not become such a big deal, but right now we don't know What the partnership is going to look like Until we sign an agreement we have an mo you with wick to with two other communication union districts to Work with them to run fiber in the In in the cv5 district. It's um 500 and something miles of fiber Let me know when you want me to go to this one. Yeah, I want to finish my stupid list of too many words The next I have now is partner with wick and velco With cv5 are all with the tonic houses money to connect 50 houses in the tonic office Is that the 35,000? I don't know where the 35,000 that's the number barry came up with I know i'm not listening to barry anymore. Oh Oh, sorry. Oh, did you know barry was on? This is this item is very complicated right the moment because All of a sudden the state of mind says it has money cares money. They haven't spent from last year So I'm on friday. I've put on an application for money to do the To do this the connections to all the properties between east mark failure and calis But the the the rub and the whole grant is that they have to be connected by december 31st Is that possible? It's going to be very hard, but i'm going to i'm pretending. I'm not pretending. We're going to do it. Okay But if that grant if they decide they don't want to give us that money The potential is there even without that money And I'll show you the minute what I mean We could For a amount of money. I'm going to show on another slide. We could do this thing to the town office by the end That would be great. Yeah So We got the operator The goal is a plan not the goal the plan is to connect every undisserved house in calis by the end of 2022 So when you say develop Choose operate up you put out an rfp, correct? We put out an rfp. We got five responses and we got two from narrowed it down to two And hopefully we're doing a site visit to the second one on wednesday And then we'll get together and make a recommendation among the review team and then make a recommendation to the full board Is there any vermont local? Yeah, the next one is vermont. Okay. Yeah interesting What is underserved mean? Yeah, yeah Any any house that has less than cable? Is the only the simplest way to put that so it's under 25 megabits Per premise.  They have a landline and landline and channel three They may I don't get an intelligence. I don't know about but you said less than cable So that's oh speeds for internet speeds. This is all about internet speed Not okay what you use the internet for Okay, and that's an interesting the cable is more than just internet. It's tp This is just pure cable. I mean pure internet.  So it's 25 down three up is cable So we're going to serve all the people who don't have that in the next slide I can show you the map. Oh now go what keep going down. I'll show you the mark. Yeah, so there it is the blue dots have The speed they're on cable all the red dots are underserved It's 539 Yeah So it's pretty considerable Can we move it down? So here I'm not on on Comcast right now. So say you're underserved Say I say again with the red and the blue dots mean the red are all the underserved So you're not you get crummy dsl service So it's most of the time Other than the village of maple connor And is that this? Yeah, that's that's my corner. And what's this? That's uh east callous And what's this it's already 14 root 14 has cable and this is I have no idea how they have cable up there. What this is that's up on the hill That's up in max gray road Really? Um, does it come from another town to me? Can you scroll down a little bit? Oh, that's loose So it's a weird why Comcast is up there In it. There's no there's no guarantee this data is correct This is what the state of Vermont has put out Is it mean the state could be wrong the state could be wrong They rely on they rely on the vendors giving them the information. So there's some um There's some fair point legacy that claims to be 25 three That would be interesting. Yeah that in my experience Is not No, but they tell it Anyways, that's that so in terms of this underserved thing is critical And this is something that's changed in the last well, what's this over here david? Where here? Is this all Okay, that's all route 14. Yeah, okay, so all so everything read is under underserved The distinction of this those are the only things we can get date It would have been good if your slide had said what red note. Yeah, it's like I did this on the car Isn't it in the legend No, there was I don't know Jeremy's Inspired to give your book club. Oh, there you go red so The reason that underserved is important is under the Federal output money it has to go to underserved broadband places And so the state of Vermont, which is many managing the state broadband money They're only going to give us money to run two underserved houses. So and that's 539 Well, how can it seem like it should be so much more Well, it's only I could not go up. I'm sorry. They want to give you the map keep going up So this is you want this slide this is good and you can stay right where you are Because cows on this So area a which is cows these went to the middle sex more town in Worcester There are 300 total miles We are doing the coal inventory right now and the high level design All that will be done by December 31st Detailed engineering for those 300 miles will be done next year But the building we're going to do next year Is only 150 houses Miles And that would be all of the underserved people in those those towns. So how do you decide Where where the 150 miles are between the five towns? We know the the routes we have to follow Washington Electric co-op lines And it's our best estimate No, what I mean, how do you how do you decide? Okay, it's the underserved versus the the people have so it's We're only going to serve in the first year those people have no service right now the 150 mile So anything they had a red dot is going to get service next year by 2025 We hope to get everybody else, but you're only talking 150 miles and three five pounds. Yeah So can you go back to the callous map film? The callous has 80 miles of that 80 miles Perhaps Where would that 80 miles be the whole town has 80 miles of road, right? You know something like So what you're saying is every red dot Needs to be served and that's part of the 2022 plan. Yep. Okay So all the people from north callous who keep on calling me. Yeah They seem to be the most vocal they always are Okay, well, I mean adamant has nothing. I mean it's it's sort of an interesting. We could start whining if yeah, you should North callous north callous has a lot of you gotta get on that Yeah So that's sort of the detail overview plan of what we're doing So we're going to hit the underserved next year in this this area and then won't be until 2025 that we come around and finish everybody else Which is some of the blue which is all the blue Because the blue already has decent service and we're going to have to borrow money. Oh, you've seen the minute how much money we need. Yeah You want me to move on? Yeah Okay, so here's here's the current picture of the cost of bringing fire to callous Their total of 896 houses Of which 539 are underserved What's this cd5 or build out 25,640? Is that the total of the five towns? Right above callous That's all 21 towns 21 town And so we have 6907 underserved people in the 21 times And so callous is pretty underserved Relative to other towns We're doing the poll inventory so everything in blue This may not be that easy We believe we're going to get state money to do It may not all be enough in the one year And then the last column so we have poll inventory is going on down design that's going on now Make great is the cost to make every so the polls can take fiber Bill, I can send this to you So To replace the poll is between four thousand forty five hundred dollars a piece So it adds up We don't think we're going to have to replace a lot of polls, but we're going to have to replace But what what's been added? We're going to have to pay wet to replace the polls and there are 1,636 polls And so the blue is unanticipating You know stage revenue or other funding to help pay for that So with the last thing is the operations, but we're connecting the fiber to the houses It's about $1,700 per property and that would include running the fiber to those and the equipment They would go in the house So we're estimated to do the underserved premises At a 70 percent take rate where there we get 70 70 percent For those 539 actually subscribe to the service It would cost $641,000 Connect them Of non-state money of non-state money. Well, I mean it could be state money if we had it So what I'm pitching to the town eventually Mull over and decide is In terms of The opera funding restrictions it's supposed to be for use in the town So this is the cleanest thing that I know That the town could fund that you could do the accounting on And report back to treasury That yeah, this is what we did in town using our money our money that you gave us Because I don't know if you've been following the legal cities in towns. They the accounting is pretty Yeah, I've been pretty and from what I gather the league is going to develop A form for towns to use to do the reporting on right right and they need to that's be really helpful So we would fill in whatever you gave us we would make sure that we filled it in the way you need it filled in But I think they're trying to because I've been going to the meetings webinars and meetings and all that and it's You know and they're and they're advising towns Don't rush into spending the money think about it. You know, we've had other requests for some of this money, which is Yeah, and they project in town. Yeah, and so it's going to be something that's eligible and you need to weigh You know the value of which one over another one are right percentage. I mean, right? I'm not expecting all the money take all the money, but You know depending on what you're or you had a hearing on this and when people want to spend your money That's where it should go. Yeah, so when you say 1700 that's a per Premise yeah, it's much of cost to get from the pole to your house And the residents don't have to pay for that. Correct. That's the beauty of this one This is where we're Comcast or somebody else may charge you to put the stuff in your house and charge you for the modem and judge This would be all done Is there any easy way to you know survey people who actually would be willing to pay the 1700? It doesn't work that way We will put that if they don't if we don't do this we'll put it into the monthly rate And so you'd be paying higher monthly fees to get the service everybody will everybody well It's easier also for accounting to just Correct to do it one way or the other right and we're trying to keep the rates low is 60 dollars Around that number a month. So a month and so anything that adds to that cost will just increase the subscription rate So the goal is to make it as inexpensive as possible And does it depend on how?  Does it matter how many devices are hooked up to this particular? And there'll be different speeds. You'll be getting a minimum of a hundred hundred And then it'll be 250 500 to a gig of it You'll be able to get you know, if you really had you you know, say you're working at home And you have a lot of files to up and down into the cloud You'd want a gig of its service now the the way it's being built everybody could have a gig of its service Which is super super super fast But not everybody needs that, you know, you're watching Netflix. You don't need gig of it The whole family can watch Netflix. You don't need that. You mean different channels here And you can have three zooms say you can have three zoom conversations going on at the same time You can have right you I mean So our family of four Is crazy challenge with the internet. We have now to run zoom But because that's going up and down. That's why you're a challenge but not For all four people to watch something streaming Something different or something the same no different. Yeah because Because whoever wants to sit down and watch the same thing anymore And get a quiz right so no so so Forced four things streaming in is we only have two now Right. Yeah, I'm just saying that's nothing. That's nothing. So a hundred is like You know the whole neighborhood Yes, really? Yeah, it's a lot and It's regular households. You don't need you don't you don't need all that Well, you're going to be excited to have it. Yeah Um and the world will catch up But I mean if you start using it to healthcare telehealth Any of those things in five years from now that everybody's doing right you're gonna want kind of bad, but you can get right But for now what it will do is allow you to actually enjoy The things that you rely on it to do without being frustrated and consistent. I mean there'll be no degradation Right, there's the fiberglass the fibers are all glass and they'll like it's all like it's feel like I think people actually will be able to work from home, which through kovat was such a fiction Survey we did on usage at home. It's phenomenal. I saw some of the houses Three to four kids both parents were working at home.  It wasn't it wasn't for real. Yeah. Yeah, they couldn't do it No, you couldn't do it.  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I've been doing this And so that's I don't you know, I don't know when you're gonna get to the point where you're going to say you can Allocate money out of the AR up Yeah offer money But it'd be nice to know where you are in the process. Well, we're still right. Okay So when are you going to start a process? Well, right now we're right now. We're in the learning phase Okay, and do you have a date for that? Not yet. Okay, because things keep changing. What does well, they keep coming up with They're going to help us do this and they're going to help us do that Okay, so I'm in that phase right now We're also trying to find out what the comprehensive need is around town because you're not the only Group that I know but there's only certain eligible items. That's all I want.  Really? I didn't know what the equipment was Well, certain office needs. Um, okay, so I have a well, I didn't bring it with me, but I have a list Oh, good. I'd love to see that. But anyway, I guess from us perspective It'd be nice to know at some point Would it might be I think we'll have when If we don't do a special we might want to do a special meeting To invite people to come in and learn about arpa Talk about projects projects. Yeah All right, so that's where we are with the cost Can I get clear on one thing? I missed the part about adamant. You said with that All underserved Yeah, it is. I know I live in there No, what he was saying was that oh, they don't complain that we don't want North Calis people in North Calis call that would send me emails Well to you or I mean I have to work at work because Anyway, so here's the construction schedule summarized on one slide Instruction for all the underserved routes in 2022 drops and connections like second priority is building out from this network And do the staff construction 24 and do the trucks in 24 25 now, what is how is what? You're doing for the second build out Help me understand. Okay, that's going to go to people have cable Okay, so we want to connect everybody, right? Not everybody that's got cable is going to take our service and I have to keep thinking cables not cable TV, right, right? So And we'll probably end up borrowing money. You'll see in the next is that the next slide Shows you the budgeting Yeah, so we anticipate getting 20 19 million dollars from the state for nine million nine million for CB fiber for the 21 times and then 2023 another five million from the opera line and we have a goal of three million each year from towns From five counts from 21 21 times The infrastructure that's currently in congress we anticipate about seven and a half million would come to CV fiber So needing 49 47,000 or 47 million we're still not going to we're not going to have six So when you say cv fiber is 21 towns There is how many other fiber districts eight others eight others and they're getting the equivalent nine million to 15 million other Now I think it's kingdom broadband is getting 16 million I just saw something on the news last night about something in the northeast kingdom some kind of Um, broadband or something that they're doing. Yeah, you know, you know about that, right? Yeah, nothing. They're signed up an operator I can't remember the name of the company There was it's they've signed the contract with nrtc, which is a national rural telephone engineering firm And wastefield chamfery telecom So the operator will be wastefield chamfery telecom for that district 55 towns All I'm trying things. That's gonna be 55. It goes all the way across. Yeah, pretty much to frankly to the morning It goes all the way to lamoille all of all of olens all of caledonia and all of asics And so they have signed an agreement already. Yeah, when I think yeah, okay when I think of Northeast kingdom So, yeah, I know the nine districts are competing with each other for the the funding And it's a little different. So we're we're gonna, you know, a year three if we have You know, we've been operating for three years and getting revenue for three years We can then go to the vermont municipal bond bank right and borrow the money To cover that truck to cover to cover the full bill that the 23 or 24 Yeah, 24 24 25 build out because we really need to have three years of operation For the bond bank to even consider us a viable entity. Yeah, but you're not gonna Leave town Anyway, so if you're not familiar the legislature Created the vermont community broadband board this year. It was under act 71. There's five member board representing So they somebody that the different fiber districts have to report to Yes, the other ones that are putting out the rules for how you get the money and how you report on the money So there's the other ones doing the 150 million dollars. It was appropriated this year They're setting design standards And the other mission in act 71 was their role is to support communication union districts And to oversee all the reporting requirements. I like that piece. Yeah So, you know, it's pretty well, I mean the volume of meeting for two months And they've already gone. Who's on that board? So the chair is um, patty Richards Richards was retiring from wek. Yeah, I know that name. Uh, dan nelson from velco Brian otling who's with the software company beats. He was with green mountain power for about 10 years easy And then laura sabilia the representative from Wilmington She is the cud's representative on the board she's the one that You know, basically pushed this act through the legislature and knows it inside out and the last member is a woman by name of She was the president of vermont public television and I forgot holly grossing her And she's a lawyer who's pretty pretty vocal on the board And So it's it's up and running They've been meeting every week now they're on a biweek week basis They're probably getting burned down already. Yeah It's intense and plus the learning experience some of them knew something and others didn't know anything, right? So the the communication union districts have each made a presentation of what they've done over the last three years With our needs are and how we want to influence How they make decisions They're asking for our input but that doesn't mean they have to Take Right, right. So that's what I just the piece that I don't think I've ever talked talked to the board about so That's going on. Yeah, okay And I don't know if there's a one one sliding on I don't No There it is This is my pitch to you guys and I'll make it when we're you know, when you guys are closer, right? Um And this is of course different than this project you're going to get done by the end of december Well, this you know, when will you know if you have that grant this week? Okay, I don't have this grant. I don't know what I'm going to do Because it's going to it's going to be $30,000 to run in the fiber from kent's quantity, right? And then $1,700 per connection. So if we only just did the time office, it'd be about 30 000 plus 1700 So we still have time to figure that out But if we get the grant it's great. Yeah, and it would be great. Um We have drafted a cv5 in town off of funding agreement Because Worcester and middle sex and more town have already agreed to give us money So we've been working with their town lawyers to come up with that agreement The only one I think that's finished is me. I don't even think Worcesters is finished But they have all those three towns have been onboard for a while Um in the last bullet, what was it? Oh, we don't be responsible for meeting whatever your reporting requirements were right in the format that you needed it Well, and we had heard initially that the reporting requirements are going to be pretty Crazy, they are and but I think but cvlct is coming up with a format some kind of a format So that will be really really helpful It's still a lot of work. Yeah, it is because we're doing with I mean the stuff we have to report to the state every month Is incredibly detailed. Yeah Okay, next steps next steps what town discussion. I'd like to know when you're going to have a town meeting on Priorities and project. Yeah, um, you've been doing the q&a gets open to it Like the consideration when it comes to it And uh, there we have the last one All right So that's my Thank you so much For being doing this No, you know, it's been 30 years and the last we've put out four hours fees and these are all volunteers, right? So you got to get all the proposals in then you got to go through them all then you get the highest I mean, they have to get a contract and so this is the one process the developer operator agreement That's going to take us a few months plus. We've been working with Washington Electric for two years two plus years But isn't that nice though that it's somebody local like oh, yeah Getting to an agreement is a lot of talk human right, right But it's nice because it still feels local. Oh, yeah. No, it's a wonderful partnership. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's great and uh, so And now bill did you get your way today? My what did you get your poll today? Did you get your? No, no post. No, this is Kent corner. Come on It's just Pulling a chain. Well, just to be clear. Kent corner is the bottleneck By the way, it's not a bottleneck for you The town office. Oh, right But uh getting the the fiber down here. I'm trying to get the contractor who's doing velcro's work To do the rest of the line so Branding so we have to do the engineering And get some more contracts I don't think we're going to go to an RFP if they will do the the Continue velcro's contract When it's already already existing. Yeah, so We'll see getting people to return your phone calls is really hard. It's that way everywhere It's that way everywhere and it can be just and it can be looking to buy something. They still don't return a phone call Unbelievable So, yeah, no, it's been busy busy. Yeah And um, well, thank you so much for everything you're doing. Well, thanks. Thank you very much. This is really exciting I was excited to see my house as a red dot. Oh, it is. Oh, there's a lot. Yeah, mine too. I don't know He's conspired that way. There's a I think maybe all of it Do we all have to recuse ourselves when you have the public discussion on how you want to allocate the money? Yeah, you all have to excuse yourself No, I think this is this is definitely I think we're kidding. It's a very broad reach of people. Yeah No, we're kidding Now you gotta do the process right Yeah And that's why we want to have a process. Well, and and I guess one thing worth saying is is it When the blue dots are cable Mm-hmm And and that's really it even DSL is red, right?  So so that's that's a very yeah, that's a conservative It's a simple way to look at it. Well, and it's also way above reproach. You're not parsing a hard line, right? Yeah And you know the way the money limitations are that's the federal money wants to fund is the people not getting by that Yeah, yeah, good. Thank you, David. Thank you. Thank you so much. Exciting I realized it was easy for me to come here than to go home and reconnect my computer And it's so much better to do it like this. So I appreciate this and you got a brownie take another one. I did no one All right, thank you so much Thank you And it's really exciting. It is very good.  That's what we've got it's and then it doesn't work and you're apologizing and then And then it just makes me think about the northeast kingdom where they really have Truly have nothing, right? And I was lucky because I'm the only one Really goes on the computer and if he does it just looking something up on Something about tractors or yeah, no with and you know, it's not like he's trying to have meetings like Multiple families have multiple meetings And it just doesn't work. But even even with that, you know When we were doing the zoom a lot of times my internet was going to get interrupted because For whatever reason, right? And I don't know if that's because I should have asked david does it matter Like how many people in north calis are on a Zoom meeting or using the internet at the same time. Does that matter? I think it does my understanding With the DSL service is that it it matters How far do we are from the post or whatever and how many people are tapping that line? I don't even know where the post is in my area Well, I know we ran into the issue where we are we didn't even have DSL We only had to dial up until the triplets were 10 11th grade And so we'd have to take the kids to work to use the internet because it would take an hour I mean they had to do homework. I know they used to come visit. I remember but that I would make them popcorn. I take them in and we did also, you know But I think we saw you know in the past year like Melanie working on her attorney general work and me on My work and then we had a kid in school and then one doing her job. I couldn't I had to work at it I was getting booted off all the time and yeah, so we need to do. I don't think there's any other Updates that I can think of um I have I have another an item of other business Oh, okay, but I don't know where we are. Where are we? That's we're not there yet Review minutes. I do want us to go into executive session So, um Would you like to do minutes? I looked at them I looked at all the ones I went to earlier. Yeah, I reviewed some of them. I've been through already I reviewed them all Um, and I saw your changes and didn't have any issue Um, how do we get back to the minutes folder? All right, Katie, where's the minutes folder? It's it? Um Up top further, right? Well, let's go through it. Let's let's at least do a few Minutes this is august 26 Oh, I was here that day I didn't did I look at that one? Yeah, I did Um, my name has two ends in it fyi It looks like I even wrote it. Yeah So, um Is there any other problem or comment? On the august 26 minutes rick and john We're not there. Thank you. Okay, so I missed Um, where's that you? No, it's Katie. All right So I would make a motion to approve the august 26 minutes as revised Sharon, did you want to second that second? Okay, um All those in favor, please say aye. Hi. Hi. I'm just abstain since I wasn't there. Okay, and mark. I didn't hear you He's tonight. All right Thank you All right. Now I have to figure out how to get to the next. How do I go back from this Katie? I'm up at the top. You could choose the tab. I can't understand what you people talk at the same time Say what? Up at the top of the page. You could just close the tab that this document is open in just close it. It looks like See how at the very very top of your screen It's hiding under like the break up That's the problem is that yeah, there you go Oh Yep, there you go I don't oh, I don't want to disconnect. No. No. I just want to get just move the zoom bar down to the bottom for now Oh, there you go 913 Okay, this was not a special meeting. This was a regular meeting Oh, this was this one. Okay Katie always you do such a good job Okay, um Would anybody like to make a motion to approve the september 13th minutes It's so moved with as another would change because Okay, all those in favor, please say hi Hi Hi, okay Well, let's do the 20th That was a special meeting Everybody good with those I make a motion to approve the is that one that I was not at No, you've got a note right here. Yeah, okay Special meeting minutes of september 20th It's so moved Okay, I'll second it all those in favor. Please say hi. Hi. Hi Hi Oops All right You want to do more? No, no, okay And Did you want to do other business before going to executive session? I my other business is that I I Received from a resident the other day a request that we consider Developing a junk ordinance Yeah, I've had a similar request That's all I have to say about that Okay Probably the same Could be the same person could be And yeah, it's on the list If if you tell them it's on the list of select board future agenda items Okay, um, all right so, um The only other thing under other business. Um, we did the site visit where you were there And we felt like We would really like to hear from some additional residents that weren't able to attend because it was on a week day So we talked about doing another special meeting site visit And we're looking at Um, this what what did I say? Oh that right here the Saturday the 16th at 10 a.m So whoever can come if you've already come you don't feel like you want to come again That's fine. You may have a conflict that they're not sure if I can make it. I will It was a really it you know, it was really really helpful To do the site visit and see where these folks live Yeah, um, and what they're talking about that they're concerned about it was really really helpful So we want to make sure we Give everybody an opportunity and some people would like to have come but they couldn't Yeah and then, um October 25th Boa at six o'clock All right Okay, and we have we have I saw right that we have a quorum or was there. Yeah, okay Okay, so And the 25th Denise we're on for the 20th I got On in terms of Curtis pondan that's on for the 25th, right? Yes And yeah, I just want to make sure because A letter went out notifying the Curtis pond association. So Yeah, because you that mo you was sent to jim, right? Yeah, good. I've asked him to attend Right, okay I haven't we haven't come up with the time yet for for that. So we'll have to work that out, right? Okay Thanks for the reminder All right, so could we go into executive session? I make a motion to go into executive session I made a motion. So is that a second? You have to say what it's for for personnel Personnel matters. Where's my list of one for I think it's one vsa 313 and I think it might be a I think it's I think it's c3. Okay, but I'll get you I'll get you the right section of the statute, okay, but it's section 313 I've got it Oh, you do. Okay, great I think it's for yeah, and for for personnel. Isn't that what's most important as we say what we're going in for? Yeah, it's personnel matters. Yeah I'm so tired Oh, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thanks for keeping us on track. Yeah, sometimes we forget You


Let's look at users on their system. Who am I? Remember who am I returns the current logged in user, the user for this terminal. If I run it in a different terminal, I'm a different person. I'm instructor on this terminal. Who am I for this terminal? I'm logged in as the instructor. And here the student user. So who am I returns the user? What users are on this computer? So we know we're logged in as student. You can guess as an instructor user, which other users have accounts on these computers? Can anyone tell me what other users are there? When you have the quiz question, how are you going to find the users? Well there's different ways. Remember think about your home directory. The normal case is each user has a home directory. I'm currently in slash home slash student. The student user's home directory is slash home slash student. So we'd expect other users would have slash home slash username. Let's look in the slash home directory, ls slash home and see what other directories are there and that may tell us about some of the other users. And I'll use less because I know there's a long list there.  And we guess that these are users because they have home directories and you recognize some of the names. So that's a quick way to see something about users. Maybe a more precise way is that the operating system stores a list of users and when a user logs in, the operating system needs to check the username and password. So when you log in, you supply your username and password and the operating system checks what you supplied against who's already had an account created. So the operating system stores the list of users in a file. Let's have a look at that. For Linux, it's common that configuration files for the operating system are stored in the ETC directory, etc. That's a common place to store config files. So use less to look at, there's a text file in there to list. The text file that stores the list of users on this system is past WD, short for password, because the user names usually have passwords associated with them. So this is a text file that lists all the users and some information about them. Have a look at it. The format is one user per line. And on each line for each user, there's some fields separated by the colon character. And we'll go through one of the examples, the details. First, we know there are many users here. The root user, daemon user, bin user, sys user. The root user is the admin. So you can log in as the root user. They have a home directory, a special home directory, it's actually slash root. And you can do things as the root user if you know the password. The daemon user and many of these others are what we call system users. And they're not real or normal users that can log in. They use to run operating system programs or application servers usually. So normally we don't use these users. They're not something we can log in as. And you may note at the end it says something about no log in. So it's a special type of system user. If we scroll through. So system users are for special operating system tasks. I think somewhere you'll see MySQL, for example, there's a system user for running the MySQL database server. We don't log in as that user normally. It's just for running the server. So we want to focus on the normal users. There's a root user, system users, the normal users. There is instructor. You scroll down, you see somebody start to recognize. TA student. And then what I've done as you notice I've set up users for each of us or each of you based upon your name. So just some fake user or user accounts that we can use for testing. Let's look at the student user. The structure of this file is for every line. The first field is the user name. The second field is the password. The third field is the user number. So we have a name and a number, so unique number. Users belong to groups. And they must be in one group. So this is the default group they're in, but the group number. This information is some human friendly information about the user. Maybe they're full name. So note what's different here, the uppercase S. This may be displayed on the graphical login when you see your name there. Note for the named users, I haven't given the full name. I've just repeated the user name. But you could see the full name here, the email address, the phone number and so on. This is the home directory. Slash home slash student and you see most of them are slash home slash username. That's the default setup. And this is the software that runs when this user logs in. And we've said before bash is the software that interprets the commands on the command line. It understands what you type. So that's the normal setup. We care about the username and the password. Well, you notice that the password for all the users is X. It's not the actual password that X here means the password information is stored in another file. So it's not actually stored in this file. This is the operating system list of users. Where is the password information stored? It's in another file that's called in the shadow file. So let's have a look at that. Quit, queue to quit. Open up the shadow file. That stores the password information for those users. It will include the user names and then information about all their passwords. And you can see the password of all the other users. Well, no, you can't. So the normal user cannot see the password of other users. By default, the permissions are set up so that you cannot look at this file. It is a text file. I'll show you later. But the normal user, the student user in this case, cannot look inside this file. They can see the set of users in the past WD file, but they cannot see the password information in the shadow file. That's the security measure to do some access control. We can change between users. So we do everything as the student user, but you may have realized that I've created a separate user count based on your name. It's your first name followed by the first letter of your last name. And you can log in as that user just for doing some small tasks or demos. So to change users, we can switch between users using SU. And I'll just choose a random user from the list. You switch to U. Type in your name. SU switches users, switches to that user, and you need the password for that user. And for this I've set up, it's the same as your username. So I'm now logged in as a different user. If I go home, CD, I'm now in the home directory of this second user I'm logged in as. So now everything I do, I do it as this named user, not as the student user. SU switches users. Very simple. Just note the password was the same as the username, just so we can easily switch between different users. Some of the tasks today I'll say use your named user. That is switch to the name, the user based on your name, not the student user. If you want to exit and go back to the other user, use exit. And now I'm back as the student user. So SU switches to the named user, exit comes back. I can switch to the root user, or if I just use SU, switch user on itself by default goes to the root user. The other meaning of SU is super user. Super user is like admin or root user. So SU on its own, we sometimes think means switch to super user. And I log in as the super user which is actually named the root user. Who am I, root, CD, note their home directory is slightly different. Their home directory is just slash root. Of course you need the password to switch to other users and you don't have the root password. So you can't switch to the root user. Probably wouldn't be too hard to guess it, but there's no need for. And as the root user I can do anything, including look in the shadow file. So the shadow file is the one we said stores the password information. And we see it's similar as the username and then some information about the password. Let's go down to our student user and look at the password information. The password information is this long field. The numbers at the end are something like when you last change your password, when you need to change your password in the future. But this is the long field which is the password information. You notice it's not the password. We know the password for student is student. This is not the password. We don't, in fact, we don't encrypt that, the password. We do something which has the similar purpose. We calculate the hash of the password. And we'll cover this in the security and cryptography course. What we do is we take the password. We attach another usually random number. This value here between the two dollars hines. It's called the salt. We take the password. We give it some salt to make it more tasty. And then we hash that salted password. We use a hash algorithm, hash algorithm number six. And the hash takes that input and generates a basically a random output that is for that particular input and that random hash value is here. So the idea is the password information, the password itself is not stored but a hash of the password is stored such that even though we can see this file now, you can't see the password. And to find the password given this hash value is practically impossible because the cryptographic nature of the hash algorithm is that if you have the hash value as output, it's practically impossible to find the original input. So that's a security measure so that no one can see the actual password even if they can see this file. The other security measure is that the normal users can't even see this file. When a student logs in, they supply their password, the system calculates the hash of the password and compares against this value and again another property of the hash function, the hash of two inputs which are the same will produce the same output if they match the user logs in. We will see the details of that in authentication in security and crypto. So you can see the hash B can't see the password. Q to quit. Exit out. Last command when we're talking about users and permissions. So we saw that some users cannot do some things. That is the student user couldn't look at the shadow file. We'll return later after the break about permissions on files. But similarly some users cannot run programs. Some programs are protected. Especially programs that give you special privileges or need special privileges on the operating system like network type programs. I'll just switch to my other terminal because I need to be logged in as the instructor or not to a different user. But you can do it as the student user. There's a program called IP traffic. It shows us the internet protocol traffic, the IP traffic. It's a networking program we'll use in later labs. It shows the packets being sent and received. Most networking programs or some of them are protected. Not any user can run them. So when I try to run IP traffic, it says this program can only be run by the system admin. We don't have permissions to run it. But I would like to allow everyone to run it so that we can actually see the network traffic. So the common way to do that is to set up the computer so that some programs, the student user and the instructor user can run these special programs. And I've set that up. What we want to do is we want to run this program as the system administrator. The other name of the system administrator is root. Or another name is the super user. So we'd like to do this program as the super user. Do IP traffic as the super user? Super user do IP traffic. And you've heard of pseudo I think before. The idea to do this program, run this program as a different user, as the super user by default. We can actually switch to a different user if we want. And that tries to run this program as the super user. And I've set up these computers so that you're allowed to do that. It asks for your password. You should be doing this as a student. Not as your named user. I'm doing it as instructor. I type in my instructor password. And I see that it returns an error in my case because I've zoomed in too far. Try it again. So pseudo, followed by the command tries to execute that command as the super user. Now it needs to be set up in advance as to which commands you can try. You can't do anything with pseudo. Try or return an error if you try other things. And just to demonstrate IP traffic just shows some statistics about packets being sent and received. There's not much happening on my computer. Just shows packets being sent and received on my computer. So pseudo allows us to run a command as the super user or as the root user when it's protected command. We'll use that later in some networking commands. If you don't have permissions, try pseudo first. Exit to exit. So we can switch users. We can run commands as super users using pseudo. We've seen a little bit about where passwords and user information is stored. Later we'll see permissions on files.


Hello learners, I welcome you all to this video session which where I will be talking about introduction to social work. So in this session I would like to discuss the concept of social work and introduce you to this discipline of study and also the profession. So I am Dr. Mridushmita Dwarah, Assistant Professor of Social Work, Pujya Kumar Bhia School of Social Sciences under KK Handik State Open University. So let us start by understanding what is social work. Therefore social work is here defined as a discipline as well as a profession. It involves the application of various social theories for a better understanding of the society. And here we will learn how to apply these therapeutic processes and methods to deal with social and individual problems. So here we come to know that social work is not only a discipline of study, it is also an applied profession. And to learn the particular profession here in this BSW program you will be taught the various methods, skills and the understanding of society through various social theories that will be discussed in the course of this study. Social work has drawn various perspectives of understanding the basic units of the society and what are those units? Those are individuals, groups, cultures, communities that exist in the society. Also there are various socio-economic and political aspects. So to have a better understanding about the society, social work as a discipline of study draws its basic understanding from other social sciences like sociology, psychology, political science, economics and others. Therefore social work is concerned with the causes of social problems that we see all around its impact on individuals, groups, communities and society at large. Here we will learn how to deploy or use the social work methods for its solution. As you can see in this image here there are various concepts that are being shown as theory, relationships, social relationship, empathy, education and it's a profession where dignity of social work has to be uphold. So let us see what are the objectives of social work here. The Indian Conference of Social Work defines social work as a welfare activity based on humanitarian philosophy plus scientific knowledge and technical skills for helping the units like individual, group or community to live a rich and fulfilled life. So here we see that social work profession is considered to be a noble profession. This is a welfare activity based on humanitarian philosophy and also when we say humanitarian philosophy it not only concentrates on the concept of charity like giving or welfare but also involves a scientific knowledge as to how to deal with those particular problems. So let us see the most important objectives of social work are to solve psychosocial problems of an individual or a group or maybe a community. So as we know the community consists of individuals, a group consists of individuals therefore focusing on the psychosocial problems of an individual is important here. Psychosocial means psycho means of the mind and social means the surrounding the social environment in which an individual lives. So therefore solving that problem is one of the main objectives of social work. The other objectives are to fight for social justice and development and we have to keep in mind it is a profession that will help you to apply various skills and methods to reach these objectives. Thirdly to fulfill humanitarian needs of the society to solve a just mental problem of an individual and to enhance the growth of the particular individual. We as an individual face various problems from different aspects may be economical may be social may be problem related to our mind our personality. So therefore this profession helps in adjusting with the particular problems then to create self-sufficiency that is empowerment. Empowering the client to help himself is very important here. And lastly to provide socio-legal help, socio-legal means societal help as well as the legal help that a client may require. The client will be the individual who will come to you for a particular help. So we have to keep in mind that this is a service-based profession and it is a professional course of study it is a profession and therefore when a client comes to you seeking help, legal help then advocacy or connecting the person to any kind of legal help is utmost necessary here. The main motto of social work is helping people to help themselves that is how this motto says that how it is different from charity in charity what you do or in social service what you do is you just help the person for the time being but social work is a profession that involves scientific knowledge and techniques and it helps people to empower themselves. Now when we say helping people to help themselves when you help an individual to decide for his own to make decisions on his or her own to help to connect to certain resources that means what you are helping the person for future also so that the person is empowered to look after him that is the main difference between social work charity and social service thank you so much.