was going to defer to council member Williams and Cabrera hasn't said anything yet. Thank you. I had a few questions. Mr. Gosh or Mr. Biker representing Scannell. How many jobs are we expected to bring in building this again? My estimate council member Williams would be well over a thousand, probably in the neighborhood of 2,000 jobs at full build out. It could even be more than that, but that's I think a reasonable estimate for the 135, I'm sorry, 235 acres that we're moving forward with tonight to be well over a thousand jobs could be over 2,000 jobs. Got you. Any guesstimate about what the pay wage will be? I think they'd all be strong living wage jobs with good benefits. Again, many of the companies in RTP require that of their suppliers and vendors that they be living wage employers with good benefits for their employees. And again, the important point is that research triangle part has a tremendous number of restrictions on the types of jobs that can be in RTP. This would be in the city of Durham and it would allow people with a high school degree, a GED, an associate's degree from Durham technical community college to access a job that would certainly pay a living wage and allow them to really enjoy the benefits of living and working in Durham. It's something that I've been passionate about for the 27 or 28 years that I've been working in Durham, sir. Thank you. How far is this site from the new Apple campus? I would estimate five minutes, sir, by car. I don't know how far it is in distance, but I would say the drive is approximately five minutes. Got you. How much do you suspect this expanded the tax space? I think, you know, if based on the cost-benefit analysis, that was in the staff report. If you reverse, sort of reverse engineer that based on a city tax rate of 0.5517, comes out to about a $67 million expansion of our tax base in the city limits. And Wake County and Shadow County have already zoned for this type of development. Adjacent to us in the town of Cary, yes, it's already zoned. I believe it's zoned O-R-D, which is, for lack of a better description, they're Light Industrial Manufacturing Research Development Office Zoning District. So yes, directly adjacent to us to the south is a 14-acre site that's already zoned and is already well along in the development review process. They expect to be moving companies in there. Hopefully this, they hope by sometime this summer. Can you tell me where there may be an internet cafe or anything alike in RTP? I'm certainly not aware of that, sir. No, the Research Triangle Park, both the zoning, the SRP zoning and the restrictive covenants for Research Triangle Park, prohibited that type of use. And certainly, Scannell's track record demonstrates that they've already built many hundreds of thousands of square feet of Class A Light Industrial Space in Durham. None of it is occupied by internet cafes or nightclubs or uses like that. And Apple is in Wake County, correct? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Do you know when Durham found out that we were getting Apple close by? I regret, I don't know exactly when that announcement was. I don't remember if it was before or after the pandemic started. So it's probably about that time. It was actually the day of. And that's that question, simply because I think that we are, and I don't mean this in any disrespectful way to anyone, but I think we are starting to get to the point why some people may wanna do business in neighboring counties and not Durham. It appears that we're hung up on a process here. And I understand the importance of it. I really, really, really do. And I understand the administrative necessities here, but I can't see any evidence in past time where we need to get hung up on this. I really don't. So, and I also don't think that this work that's already partially done needs to take a long time to do if we even send it back. So I'm gonna express strongly that the fact that we simply have people dying on a regular basis, we have a crime issue. We have kids that are not occupied. We have a lot. We have 30 something thousand students in our schools and we do not have enough opportunities for them. And this is the conversation that we're having. I don't wanna oversimplify that, but I wanna stress strongly my position on this. And that's where I stand. I think that we need to put our big pants on and really grow the city like we need to. We're talking thousands of jobs. We're talking millions of expansion and attack space. And we're talking about a reputation that is clear from this company and from the RTP itself. I don't know. I don't know. We just, yeah. I hope that we can move forward with this. I really do. Thank you, Mayor. Councilor McCombery-Arrow. Thank you. Please, I wanna say something. So I was actually very, very excited about this project. I met with the developers shortly before our last meeting in December. What I don't appreciate is in fact the conundrum that we are around the process. And the reason I don't appreciate it is because I do feel that they've been disrespectful to our staff and our staff's time. They could have offered a text commitment plan at any moment. In fact, when I was first on council, if I'm not mistaken, we didn't even have that as an option. We made that as an option to help our development community because I understand that a full graphic plan is very, very expensive. And so I, and I'm fine with voting no and being out voted this evening, but I, and this is not around Skinnell. I think that they have a very good track record. This is specifically for Mr. Gosh and Mr. Biker. Please do not get squirrely and game our process. I don't appreciate it. And I usually I'm very pro development and I'm usually a pretty, you know, there's not a lot that really upsets me, but I'm very frustrated right now. And I think it's because there was something that was tossed out in the moment to try and get a vote without thinking it through. I would, I want that text plan if that's what the, if that's what we decide tonight. And if that's not the will of the council, that's fine. Then ultimately I'll be voting no, not because the project isn't good but because I feel that people are taking advantage of our planning commission, our staff and members of this body. Councilman Reese and councilwoman Freeman, both have hands raised. I defer to council member Reese. Thank you. Councilman Reese. Thank you, Mayor Neal. And thank you council member free and I appreciate that. So I want to back up a little bit. Council member Williams stated as some of his reasons for wanting to move forward as quickly as possible, tonight if possible, thousands of jobs that would be created in millions of dollars of investment for the tax base. I just want to remind our colleagues that those numbers do not appear in any text commitment for development plan for the proposal in front of us. You can ask Patrick Biker all the questions you want about what might go in there, about what he hopes will go in there, about what'll look great. But I'll be honest with you, one of the other speakers was talking about how Durham needs living wage jobs, Durham needs jobs that you don't need graduate degrees for. I agree with that. But I searched in vain in this proposal for a text commitment that requires that on the site. And the reason I searched in vain colleagues is that it isn't there, okay? If they want to guarantee a certain number of jobs, a certain type of uses, a certain amount of investment, they have the opportunity to do that years ago. All right, this plan went to the planning commission. The planning commission expressed its overwhelming concern and desire for specifics in response, what has the developer done between that time and this time? From up until the moment that Patrick Biker started speaking, zero, they did nothing to change this proposal, okay? At any time, they could have talked to staff about what they wanted to do. They could have proposed to the planning commission what they wanted to do. Instead, they waited until tonight until they got to this city council and made this proposal. Now, the very modest request of our staff was that they'd be allowed to review this to make sure that all of these limitation and uses don't change somehow all of the analysis and work that went into this recommendation. That is not a lot to ask for. I understand that folks want jobs. I want jobs in Durham. I understand that folks want development. I'm happy for that. But let's don't pretend that this proposal contains ironclad guarantees of any of that because it don't, okay? And if it did, someone could show it to me in this proposal, but it ain't there, okay? The issue is they ambushed our staff, they ambushed us, and they're expecting to run over us to get what they want, which honestly, I still don't know what it is. No one here can tell me what they're gonna do in the site. They don't feel like they have to because they think they have the votes. I'm gonna support the staff's request to send this back to have them review it, and then we can have another conversation when they come back about the nature of the proposal in front of us. And I hope it focuses on what's actually in front of us instead of fancy words that someone says when they're trying to get us to vote for it. Thank you, Mayor. Councilwoman Freeman, and I think our Mayor Pro Tem has his hand as well. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I appreciate, I can appreciate the firing a little bit more this evening as a given a chance to let other council members say the things that I was thinking. I was trying in this process to avoid the time that we spent in this conversation, just in acknowledging that there was some areas that could have been covered previously. I appreciate council member Reese's context more clearly, he stated, it's just unfortunate that we continue to go through this same loop and with the same players at the table, and it's frustrating. I've been a planning commissioner and I know how much time folks put into the conversation. It is not just a development plan. It is about what is coming with that development. And so just acknowledging that that in and of itself was just disappointing. I do wanna state that I appreciate the jobs. I can appreciate the development. I can appreciate highest and best use, but I don't appreciate the way in which this context has continued to roll through with cases that have come forward. I will say that it's not just the uses, the prohibitive uses, it's also the conversation around whether or not our staff could be talking to Chatham and Wake County about the water and utilities. All of that could have been a part of the conversation, but that was not discussed. And so giving them a chance when Ms. Young asked for more time, I thought was the best way to move forward without closing the hearing would be to just move forward and to allow staff to review it. And so I just wanna give all of that context and say, I was trying to save us a little bit of time this last hour, exactly. But unfortunately that wasn't allowed. I think that it's important to acknowledge that if we limited to the property, to the only property in the prohibitive uses, that would eliminate the opportunity to ask Mr. Gosh or Mr. Biker for even just a contribution to the jobs guarantees program. I mean, that's a proffer that could be made. We're not having that conversation because that's not where we are. And I will say again, we still have to get to the point where we understand what it is when we talk about community benefits. Just developing our county land as to the highest and best use doesn't serve the kids in our community. Open space needs to be accounted for. How and where the transportation is put into place has to be accounted for. And doing it without a development plan is fine but making sure that we understand what is going to be in place and where we're going with it would make a lot more sense. I appreciate the questions that Mr. Council Member Williams asked but can you, can Canell actually say that they would own this piece of property in perpetuity? Those text commitments would be there. And I would not move this forward. I would not vote for this at all without those text commitments. Thank you. Council Mayor Pro Tem Middleton and then we'll follow that with Councilman Williams and then we'll follow that with Councilwoman Johnson. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I think there's absolutely no controversy that this council should stand for protecting the integrity of our staff and making sure that we're a bulwark against any disrespect or gaming of our staff whether they work in planning or the police department they're all our staff. So we should make sure that they're respected and their dignity is protected in every iteration of our organizational chart. With that being said, my friend Councilmember Reese said that we've been ambushed. I've been ambushed before not with real bullets but I've been ambushed before. I don't feel ambushed tonight at all. Councilmember Reese said that they think they have the votes. If Councilmember Reese has any representations to be made or wants to make any representation as to why this particular developer thinks that they have the votes when we have not had a full vetting or debate yet I'd be interested in seeing that. I can't imagine who they think they have the votes in pocket already and to suggest that while suggesting that there's no guarantee of economic success in the tech developments when did we ever put in anything that we do as a council that we guarantee success? We didn't guarantee an increase in participation of democracy when we passed participatory budgeting. We didn't put that in there. We don't ever, that's not the way economic, be they tax cuts or whatever, nothing's guaranteed. I've never seen a tech development where it says we guarantee that the price point will be this or we guarantee that this many jobs will be made or we guarantee that the tax base. There are indicators, there are equations, there are algorithms, there are best practices that we use. So I just reject the false argument that SON's concrete tech developments or tech commitments that there's gonna be economic success that that has never been our standard. I think it's a red herring, it's a fake argument. And I'm also concerned that to suggest in that these developers think they have the votes. Who are you talking about? Who are the votes on here that they already have? I've certainly made no representations to any developer at any time that my vote is a sure thing. I believe we all go through the process with integrity. We bring our best selves to it and we cast votes as fiduciaries of this city in the best interest of the city with integrity to the best of our ability. So I don't know who you're talking about when they say they think they have the votes. Here's how I heard the exchange. Mr. Beiker offered a reading of the ordinance. Ms. Young pushed back, she actually said that he is not the arbiter of the ordinance, which he's not, which is true. I saw it as a reading of it. Ms. Young pushed back. Ms. Young then came back later on and said that she had consulted with members of the staff and in a very professional, dignified way which characterizes Ms. Young at all times in our staff. She said that well, if it's just that one thing that it can be accommodated. So I just wanna lower the temperature a little bit. I don't know where the ambush lane was just coming from. I don't know where the, they think they have the votes common is coming from. But what I do know and what I've seen within the corpus, within a grand scheme of experience of voting on these matters and looking at these issues in context, I don't see anything controversial about this. And if I'm missing it, again, that's why we vote and I'll go with the will of the council however it is. But these characterizations and reading people's minds, what they think and pretending that we always put in text commitments what the absolute outcome is going to be. It just does not square with experience, doesn't square with logic. That's not the way we do things. So again, I do not think we have crossed the threshold where this matter needs to be referred back. I believe Sconell, when they say they're not gonna put it in an account. There was a slide already in the presentation that spoke to electronic gaming. The language, now I don't know unless they did that slide tonight, within the context of this debate that was already part of the presentation that satisfies me. The staff whom I respect recommended adoption of this proposal on the path of the developers. And I'm inclined to agree with the staff and vote for this proposal. I'm prepared to do it tonight. If it's the will of this council to remand it back for whatever reason to add however many sentences and add more weeks, I'm fine with that too. Thank you, Madam Mayor. All right. Councilman Williams and then Councilwoman Johnson. Yeah, I might say something. Good. I concur with a lot of what Councilman Middleton just said, actually, I don't know. I don't know. I don't wanna get too much into the characterizations. I hold high respect what Councilman Reeve stated. And I think that's what make this council so good. We have multiple perspectives. For me, if you ask me, if I took my restaurant and put it somewhere and put a proposal out, then I will hope that I've stated a reputation that will do a good job. And that's part of what I was looking at. For me, this makes business sense. And I rely, as I stated before when I first got on this council, this is the lens. This is one of the lenses that I actually look at these things and I'll rely on my colleagues to invoke their lens and hopefully it balances out that way. I'm looking at the state of things in Durham right now and I'm looking at our neighboring municipalities and I'm looking at how they're doing things and I'm looking at regional development and regional economic development and I'm looking at opportunities before us. And I hold high in great regard what's been said here tonight in regards to just making sure we have it down on paper, making sure the promise is ironclad, I'm with that. But like I said, I look at the state of Durham and I look at our need and I look at how this can potentially provide some solutions. I'm not hung up on just this one thing. I'm ready for multiples, multiple, multiple opportunities to come across. And I was elected to this seat to hold the pressure. So if something goes wrong, hold me accountable. And I definitely, I guess I'm still new to this process. So I didn't see it, you guys know more about this than I do and I'm learning it, but I didn't see it as an outright, just demeaning behavior to the staff. I thought it was just an exchange. Ms. Yon, if you see fit for us to take more time to do this, I'd love to hear how much time you think it would take to make this a this accommodation and let's get the ball rolling. Whatever works best, I wanna make sure that we can clear the way for our staff to be able to do their job and do it the best way they possibly can. Fireworks started to slide tonight and I didn't understand why. So we're learning here and but it doesn't change my intensity of the fact that we have an issue in this city. And part of it is we don't have enough kids or enough people occupied. And this is part of that solution. And that's the way I look at it. And then I look at the reputation, as I stated earlier, the reputation of the work that's been done in this city by this company. This has nothing to do with Mr. Biker or Mr. Gosh or no, Gosh. I'm looking at the company and it's hype in their track record. I just don't see it as all of a sudden they're gonna start doing this over crazy stuff. So I'm in the business of trying to find some partners that's gonna build this city in its best benefit. But I do appreciate my colleagues and all the filtering in this and I follow your lead on that, just and I acknowledge your perspective as I hope you'll acknowledge mine. And I just, I appreciate it. I'm ready to move forward on this, but I will, for the sake of our record as a counselor with my colleagues, I would do what's best, what we all agree to do. As long as we can come to a point where we're not taking another year. So however long it may take to move this forward because we got work to do in this city. So I thank you all for the passion, but I hope we can move forward with what's best. Thank you. Councilwoman Johnson. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I just wanted to talk a little bit about what I think our options are. So Director Young said that they would prefer for the item to be referred back to staff, but then later said that if we wanted, we could continue the public hearing for two cycles that she thought that would be enough time to manage the additional, the tax only development plan with just the restrictions on usage. Or we could vote now, but I think that if we were to vote now, if I'm understanding what our staff is saying that if we were to vote now, it would not make sense to include the usage restrictions in the package that we're voting on now that they need more time to actually incorporate that and rerun the numbers and make that happen. So it seems like our two options are vote on the current proposal without additional usage restrictions or the least burdensome continuance would be to continue for two cycles to get the planning staff time to review and incorporate those additional restrictions into the plan. So I think the real question is whether we feel like those restrictions are necessary and I'm wondering what my colleagues feel about that. And then if we can get a sense of whether we want to move forward with those restrictions and I think we can just do the continuance. And if there isn't a majority of people who want to move forward with those restrictions then we can just vote now. But I don't feel clear yet on what the feeling of the body is regarding the additional use restrictions whether we need them or not. And now I think I want to try and weigh in as to my perspective. The first thing that I think that is clear in my mind that we had no opponents to this, okay? In all the public speakers. However, at the same time, the one concern that I really had coming into this that you had a planning commission who voted 012 and that weighs heavily with me. As I sit here and sit here and listen, I think that when you talk about projects of this size being fairly new in this arena and just listening to everybody, I've learned a lot. I think it's important for me that I am clear what I'm actually doing. And so when I hear the concerns raised by the folk who have been on this council longer than I and who this developer is new to me, I do know some of the players, but then this type of issue is new to me. I don't see a reason why we would not defer it until we're all clear, especially me at this point. And so in my mind, when you think about how long this land is going to be used in comparison to the two cycles, then that's how I weigh it. And I would feel more comfortable in allowing those questions to be answered because those questions too were raised by some of our speakers. And in the long run, sometimes I think that it's better if we are deliberate. This is what democracy looks like, but if we can get to a point, and I think we're all at that point where we are supportive or could be supportive, it sounds like I'm trying to get a feel for the body of councilwoman Johnson says, but there's some clear points that I think people want clarified. And if that takes two cycles to do that, that allows your mayor to kind of catch up on some of the nuances that other people already have so that I can be at that point of comfort too. But I'm cognizant when others say, I'm not quite there yet, but I will be if this happens. So that's kind of where I stand on it. I think that I would be voting to allow our staff to have those two cycles and come back. That gives me more time to feel comfortable. Is there anybody else? And I know that's where you were trying to get us to councilwoman Freeman, but sometimes it takes a little time for this brain to kind of catch up. So it may have been something that you all can kind of get through quicker, but slow and steady right now, less than 30 days on a job, that kind of works for me. That kind of works for me. This is all new.  And I've been very attentive and I plan to stay that way. It's been very helpful to hear you all express those sentiments. So that's where I am. I can learn a little bit more. I'm with you there. Okay. If Charlie will buy me coffee, I'm with you. All right. All by lunch. Let's do it. I'm ready. Well, you know. A good restaurant town, I don't know. You know, councilman Reese, he's passionate now. You got to give him that. So, and so is our mayor protein. So that's what democracy looks like. It's when we can all kind of put it out there and then just say, okay. Well, now we've gotten it out and we'll move on. So the public hearing is still open. And Mayor Pro Tem, if you were so, if I see your hand raised. So if you- Yes, Madam Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I'm in full agreement with your directive and your leading on this. Just a question. And if we do this in those two cycles, could we just get an understanding from the staff and the developer? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is it to add that language of restriction? What is the task? No. I'm having to respond to that unless you're asking staff to respond first. That's no problem. Well, I'd be curious to see what your understanding of what's going to happen is. Yeah. So what we anticipate doing here is submitting paperwork for a tax only development plan. The only commitment that we are making in this regard are a list of uses which would be prohibited on the property. And if I recall correctly, the uses which I'm not prohibiting are ones which are defined in the UDF specifically. It was on a slide earlier. I actually have the slide in front of me, happy to read those uses right off the list if that suits you. So you're essentially going to resubmit that slide is what you're saying? Yes. OK. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to turn to Ms. Young, though, for her clarification and clarification. Sure. Just to let you all know, we will take that information. We will rewrite the ordinance with that information. Although I agree with the applicants that I don't think it will change the traffic numbers, we will rerun those since we need to. But again, I don't think that will generate really anything. And we'll update the staff report. The on base submittal deadline, just so you all know, for two cycles out is actually tomorrow. So even two cycles out, we will be jamming and cramming this thing through for you all. But we will get it done. Thanks so much, Sarah. Thank you. Thank you, all. OK, Councilwoman Friedman. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'd like to make a motion that we move forward with referring this item back to our staff to accept those prohibited items and review and rewrite their ordinance for us to review in two cycles. Point of clarification, we're keeping the as it's within the prerogative of the gavel to just you've already got unanimous consent for us. It's within the prerogative of the gavel to just keep it open. I don't think we need to actually I don't think we've ever taken a formal vote to. OK, so and I'm hearing the Nassia attorney just to just for her to give me a nod. I will hold this matter open for two cycles. And we will know what that date is from our. I'm sorry, I think it's February 7th. Thank you. So that'll be February 7th. OK, all righty. Now, OK, I think now we are moving through our agenda. And guess what? I believe that we are there for other matters. Are there any other matters that come before our council tonight? Great start to a new year, everybody. Great start. So at this time. This meeting on the third day of January 2022 in the Bull City, where we get things done. This is how what democracy looks like. We are now at 1050 declaring that this meeting is adjourned. Great job, everybody. This was I learned a lot. We'll see you on Thursday. Happy New Year. OK, well, I'm going to learn even more. Thank you all. Not everybody. Thank you all. That was great. I had a good time.


OK, so hi, everybody. I'm Eric Johnson. I'm not really a principal strategic advisor, but I'll take that for now. So yes, I just got promoted. That's great. So what I want to talk to you a little bit about just quickly, five minutes, some of the things that Google does as far as big data. So obviously, our mission is to make sure that you've got access to information all over the planet. So kind of going hand-in-hand with that is how many people here know that Google has a copy of the entire internet? There's four people. How many know that there are? We actually have like two copies of the internet. OK, a couple of people are now. All right, so we obviously have a lot of data. And we've been doing this basically for, I'd say, about 18 years now, right? We just had a birthday, I guess, yesterday or the day before. So what does Google know about big data, right? So back in 2012, when we were still indexing the internet and everything, the index itself of the internet was roughly 50 petabytes in size. When we would go through an index and sort all of that, it would take roughly 23 hours to do that. Moving forward, though, in 2015, how many people have heard of gray sort sorting requirements? There's minute sort, gray sort. So in 2015, the winner of that was basically announced the data set that we've indexed back in 2012 is roughly 500 times larger than what was achieved in 2015. And we were able to do that twice as fast as well, right? So Google's obviously used to dealing with very, very large data sets. So where did that go? Oh, sorry, I went back. So that was obviously 2012. We've moved things along quite a bit since then. So we're still iterating on that. So what does that have to do kind of where we're at right now? You can see here kind of a timeline of some of the things that we've been doing. We've published papers on GFS and MapReduce. Whole open source ecosystems built up out of that, right? There were a lot of people that were like, oh, this looks pretty cool. Want to build like a MapReduce system, batch data processing, and spawned a lot of great stuff. However, as Google has been working on building out cloud and offering out of services, we started to release our own products as well based on these same technologies. So now you can use things like the real big table, right? And we've exposed that through an HBase API. Well, BigQuery is a streaming data processing system. That's source petabytes of data sub-second. So still taking advantage of a lot of the innovations that Google has made beyond 2012 now are exposed as Google Cloud services for you. So what do you do about processing your own big data? So a lot of things, this obviously isn't to scale, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into that, right? If you're going to run a Hadoop cluster or something locally, there's a lot of infrastructure you have to set up, monitoring, alerting, capacity planning, performance tuning. A lot of things go into that, right? So that you can basically focus on the analysis. But ultimately, what you really want to do is just deal with the analysis. You don't want to have to deal with all those other headaches. So this is where Google Cloud comes in. We've got, so for those of you that know Google Cloud Platform as an umbrella term, tons and tons of services available to you, spanning both for compute, storage, networking. But big data, obviously, is what we're here to talk about. We've got a lot of services there. I mentioned a few, BigQuery, Dataflow, Dataproc. All of these things are available to you as a Google Cloud Platform customer. But what does that really have to do with Cloud Foundry? So earlier today, was anybody happen to be at the Google Talk earlier today, by chance? Great, quite a few. So a colleague of mine, Colleen Bryant, open sourced our first service broker for Google Cloud Services. And that gives you access immediately to some of the services that we have available, which are these. So now, as a Cloud Foundry developer, you can bull in the service broker and have access to your apps, can have access to BigQuery. So a lot of the things, Google Cloud Storage, Google Pubsub, a lot of these things that we've been using internally now are available to you as a Cloud Foundry user through the service broker. And that's really all I have. So thank you very much for your time.


We are in the car, which only means one of two things one Means that we're going somewhere invented shopping, which is not the case and two is that we're picking up a Facebook marketplace find And that's what we're doing. I'm with Justin. We're in his truck, which is so nice As you know, we've been working on the laundry room makeover on the channel over the past like two weeks or so And I've been looking for a laundry hutch kind of something that I can use to store toilet paper paper towels Extra towel sheets just random stuff like that for the laundry room since I have this little space for it I'll pop it up where it's going to be going here So I ended up coming across something yesterday on Facebook marketplace and it was free of all prices free Like that's the best price you can get Free 99 so we are heading to Tustin at the moment to pick up said free armoire and it is in their driveway The lady said that her husband put it out in their driveway this morning So we're gonna go pick it up and I'm excited I'll post a photo of what it looks like right here Only had like two photos of it and that was all that we got So hopefully it looks good and I think we're gonna have to strip it But I do like the style of it It kind of reminds me a little bit of like a Danish or a Swedish Hutch of some sort it could totally not even be Remotely any of that solid pine so hopefully we could strip it and make it just like give it a new life You know, so we're heading there now to pick it up. Oh, we're turning on to the street. There's a sofa. Oh, it's been spray-painted. Just kidding It's over there I see it turn left I see it it's behind it's over there right there That is not the address we had in is that it yeah, I mean who else has an arm or sitting at the end of there But it's kind of you it kind of is Irving's are on the side. We thought for a second. Maybe it wasn't real wood, but we're like 99% sure it is. I mean you can't really come into something that's not like this Okay, we just got to Lowe's and we're about to get some materials for flipping but look Everything arrives safely. We're looking for oven cleaner. Here we are Heavy duty got every option possible. So I am going to let you know what works best I just got home and we're about to start unloading the arm and we're gonna bring it to the backyard and work on it back There because the neighbors are like pulling out their front lawn. So it's kind of hard to work up here Going to start the process of stripping this now the first step in the renovation of or restoration or whatever We're like, I guess it's renovating. We're not really restoring it We are going to strip the original stain off of the top and get it down to bare wood And then I'm kind of thinking of maybe doing like some folk already painting on it I'm not sure but I really like the carving details because I feel like they kind of give me an area to paint Like I can do little green leafs or something If anyone happens to know what this style of carving is or maybe where this could be from I don't think it's a really old piece because they have like more modernized Elements inside and also it's like made for TV. I think it's definitely hand-carved at the same time I want to do a kind of test with the oven cleaner on this drawer front here instead of stripping the whole thing And having it not be accurate. I thought we can just try it here. It only takes about 15 minutes for it to actually work So this little scrape tool at the hardware store, and I'm gonna throw on that glove. I was wearing Let's give this a good generous scraping. I Know that when you first scrape it could kind of with this not look like much is Happening because it still has to dry down Well, I definitely feel like you can kind of see like more of the grade even like it looks more This is a nice dish brush get the slug off there Is it doing anything? Oh, yes, that worked well. This has a little blitz mate in the middle I sprayed the doors with the oven cleaner and then sadly somehow the footage of Scraping these doors did not transfer and it is not on the camera. I do not know what happened But these are what they look like. I just cut downstairs and outside We are going to check in on the drawer and cabinet doors that we worked on last night. So Let's go see guys. Look at these They are looking so Good. Oh my gosh. Look at this Finish on this. I really love what the wire brushing did Now the camera kept dying yesterday when I was working on this and the sun was setting So I want to give a little bit more of an input on like the wire brushing today when we do the base So to start this stripping process, you are going to spray the oven cleaner pretty generously on the surface Let it sit for about 20 minutes. Then you're going to use really any scraper tools you have around We just got a couple of these plastic scraper tools and they worked great But something that really worked well were dish brushes and like scrubbing brushes You would just use for general cleaning around the house So not like a full on wire brush, but just like a scrub brush like what i'm using here For more like deep cleaning that really worked well. Also, we did have to do two coats of the oven cleaner So we sprayed it on scrubbed got a bunch of the gunk off Then did another coat after and that really got it down to almost raw wood And I will say that when it's wet like this or when you still have your stripper kind of on the surface It looks a lot darker. You really need to put this in the sun and let it sit now Here's the wire brushing which that removed a bunch of the stain that really removed everything from the crevices From any of the little kind of deeper spots on the carving that removed everything I really like using the wire brush to almost give More of the scratch look like right here. It kind of takes off more of the stain And scuffs it up a little bit You just want to always make sure you're going in the direction of the grain Not like that like what I just did Since you can kind of tell it looks rusty Here I'm going in with a dish brush with just some soap and water to clean off any gunk And you can also use a rag to kind of remove any of the extra The wire brush is nice because it kind of eats it up and then you can kind of tap it out on the concrete Just doing a quick check in has been probably four hours since I last checked in with you guys We have been working on the exterior kind of casing of the armoire for the past four hours And it is taking a long time and especially with two of us So do keep in mind stripping furniture like this is not a quick Easy process because I always think like oh oven cleaner. It's gonna make it so much quicker Still takes a long time. So um, yes, but it is looking so so good It's looking very rustic kind of splotchy. I like how the stains indifferent. There's some raw sections So it's coming out good So we just went through and gave it a bit of a sanding mainly on these flat areas as you could see All the carving looks so good like the finish on this edge too. Like see how pretty that is looks so nice So now we're going to spray it down with the hose and the water actually kind of opens the green of the wood And makes the raw wood a little bit rougher. That's why you traditionally seal wood So it doesn't get like that, but we want that kind of look. So hopefully it'll make this look even a little bit more rustic Awortion I'm giving it a abortion Here's our hutch It looks perfect It like couldn't look better So for this cabinet design, I wanted to start by sketching out on my iPad Just some placements of where I could add paint So I first went in with the color red because I was thinking I was going to use this color as A main color in this piece, but I actually opted against it in the end So I painted it in some red and then I added this blue and white or kind of cream toned Striped border at the top I wanted to make the painting on this extremely simple because I am not an artist by any means So I'm just following the original carving details and then just adding lines and simple additions that I know I'm capable of doing I'm also going to go in and be sanding off some of the paint after the fact So I knew I could kind of mess up a little bit and sand it off if needed So here I'm going in with just some plain acrylic paint from the craft store Literally what you buy for a dollar at michael's or joan's nothing too expensive at all I will share the colors in the description box below of the exact ones I use for the top edge I used the color called parchment and I just did like a striped border with the thickness of the brush It was super simple and easy And I did white first went all the way down the entire length This was actually extremely satisfying to do So yesterday you saw we stripped this entire hutch of all of its stain Well, there it's a little bit on here like some of the original orange Is just slightly in there and I really love that because I feel like it gives it this kind of this farmhousey element Which I do love when it comes to like a piece like this Now what I'm doing now is attempting to add a very folk already touched the piece with some paint So I went into the top and did this kind of striped border here I also added some green to the leaves on the wood carvings there I did create a little ipad sketch as you saw and that's kind of what I'm referencing as I'm going Just for colors and kind of placements of things I do know I want to add some paint into these border areas here We still need to find hardware as well But I think this is going to be such a stunning piece when it's all done So let's get to painting because we have quite a bit more to add on here And then in the end I want to go back through and kind of sand off some of the paint So it feels more authentically aged and like an old painted hutch In between those white lines that we had added originally I added in some navy and I really loved the way that this looked so much So I just went all the way down roughly added this in you do not have to be perfect with it because in the end Once it dries down again I am going to go back with some sandpaper and just kind of buff the surface or rough it up a little bit So that some of the original woodgrain shows through and it just feels a little bit more aged and authentic To an older era if that makes sense So going down also on the bottom This was a little challenging because it was on the floor, but it looks great in the end I'm going to went in with the blue The nice thing is is when you do these stripes if you mess up on the first color You can kind of clean it up with the second So went in with the blue color at the bottom here Did the stripes all the way up this border then filled in the top section of those stripes And then Justin went in and filled in all of the white which made it look so Pretty and you can kind of see those dotted swirls there I don't know how I didn't get any filming of that But I didn't get any filming of dotting those swirls I used the back of a paintbrush to dot just the top of the carving All the way around with a cream color as you could see on the right there And then on the front of these drawers, I could not decide what I wanted to do for the longest time I thought the woodgrain was so stunning. So I don't know why I decided to cover all of it up with large checkers But in the end I loved how this looked So I added four large boxes and used the navy colored paint to fill in the boxes in between And the reason I did these large checkers was because once I get to the countertop in the laundry room You will see why I'm actually doing kind of a checkered pattern So I want this to kind of reference that a little bit and almost feel like they're connected But also stand alone kind of focal points on their own So I put the drawer back in this is the bottom one and then from there I was able to create the opposite pattern on the top drawer So I did the opposite of what is below I painted blue boxes where the green boxes were and then green boxes where the blue boxes were So it kind of looks inverted on the drawers which I think looks so great And as you could see here I so roughly added this in because I knew I was going to be sanding off a lot And then a little detail I wanted to add was a scalloped border And I did this kind of on the mid section of the cabinet And I used kind of a fluffy watercolor style brush to do this I just loaded it up with paint and then created the scallop shape first Do not worry about painting the top section Just worry about the edge because you can go back in and clean it up with the paint So as you could see here I did the edge then went back in and cleaned up that top area and just created the cutest little scalloped border there I went all the way down and opening the doors really helped with painting that I just finished up the last bit of paint on the hutch before we go and sand it But I want to share with you what this hutch looks like because it is just Looking so good exactly what I've been picturing and wanting for this space So let me flip it and then we are going to sand it down a little bit just to give it a more worn-in feel This so here is what the piece looks like um in its full Painted look I put a little diffuser over the window because it's shining and so bright at the moment But it looks so beyond stunning like we did this little stripe here at the top as you could see And then the green on the leafs and all this dotted detail around all the swirls Which go all the way down on every single swirl I then painted this little scalloped border here and did a checkerboard on these drawer fronts Which i'm excited to sand these to give a little bit more wood showing through and the bottom has this stripe on it as well I'm just so happy with how this looks We used four little tubes of acrylic paint a dollar each from the craft store To create this and it was actually a really fun project So let's get to sanding it and giving it more of that worn-in look This morning I could not stop thinking about how I wanted to sand a little bit more of the checkers off of the bottom I sanded them was editing the footage last night and was like those just need a little bit more of a sanding So I sanded them a little bit more couldn't be happier with this cabinet You guys like it is truly exactly what I was looking for for this space It's so cute and I just can't wait to share it with you So this is the reveal of our free facebook marketplace armois Flip guys was how I turned this armois into a Folk art inspired hutch and I love it so much also I totally forgot we still need hardware for this Um, I just figured you know we could find hardware in the final part of the laundry room There's just going to be one more video where we put everything together I share with you guys the new washer and dryer. We do the stuff above there a new light fixture up here So that's going to be coming to the channel shortly And I will make sure to find some hardware for this in the meantime, but until then I'll catch you guys in at the next one Bye


Live from Mountain View, California, it's The Cube at OpenStack Silicon Valley brought to you by headline sponsor, Mirantis. Here are your hosts, John Furrier and Jeff Frick. Okay, we're back everyone. We here live in Silicon Valley for The Cube. This is our flagship program. We go out to the events and expect to see the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of Silicon Angle. My co-host Jeff Frick, who heads up our new Cube Silicon Valley operation where we'll be going out to a ton of events, meetups, you name it. If it's good, we'll be there. If it's not, we won't be there. So that's a very simple program. My co-host Jeff Frick, our next guest, is Flo Liebert, founder and CEO of Mesosphere. Mesos is popular, you guys are rockin'. I got people tweeting me right now. I can't wait to hear the interview. So welcome to The Cube. Thank you so much. So, you know, we love to talk about Born in the Cloud. I know Lon had arranged to get you on the program. I'm glad to have you. Try to get you on a crowd chat we had with Evan Powell at Stackstorm. Just a bunch of geeks chatting, but really the issue is that the Born in the Cloud guys, the DevOps, is now going mainstream. Certainly all the stuff about OpenStack is IT related. Yeah, some service provider, but especially want to be Born in the Cloud with hybrid clouds. So all these issues come to bear because scale is a big issue right now. Scaling, reliability, having a developer environment that's robust, compatible with what developers want, which is infrastructure as code, in a complex environment. So I got to ask you what you're takin' is on all that and what you guys built and what your company's doing in that area, because certainly there's a lot of, quote, technical challenges under the hood. Of course. Yeah, so the origin of our technology was really at UC Berkeley, where it was co-authored by Benjamin Hintman. And what we did is we were running into massive scaling issues back at Twitter when I worked there first. And that was roughly beginning of 2010. And the site was like many sites among a lithic application. That means it was, in the case of Twitter, actually it was a Rails application. It was powered by MySQL database and had some memcached servers that were used as caches. And what Twitter needed to do at that time in order to scale up the infrastructure was turn a lot of the functionality into microservices. So for example, the first thing that you generally pull out, I think in sites like this, the search contains a lot of logic and usually it's pretty latency sensitive. So search was pulled out and a bunch of other components were pulled out into these microservices and we needed a way to easily deploy these microservices as they were being built. But also, the problem was when we had a microservice, it didn't necessarily take up the entire resources that were offered by one big server. So what we wanted to do is figure out a way to bin pack, to automatically bin pack a lot of these microservices onto these big servers. And we looked over to UC Berkeley where Benjamin Hindman was working on Mesos, brought him in for a talk and all the folks that were previously at Google that had joined Twitter saw some similarities in the technology that they were using at Google and it was called Borg back in the day. Later became Omega and they saw the similarity in it and saw that this can really solve a lot of these problems. The deployment problem, but also the orchestration problem of course and also increased utilization by two to three acts. So this is the big discussion everyone has that might not be inside the industry. All these large scale web scale companies are essentially building out while they're scaling. So we even know the early days of Twitter, we even know Zynga, they all start on Amazon. They bootstrap, they get capital efficient and boom, they're scaling and there's a kind of diminishing return where they got to set up their own gear.  So that's your experience where you've had this. Talk about the pain and how you guys looked at that and then where you are today. So yeah, one of the things we saw was that you could page every night, specifically the Airbnb we were built on top of Amazon and on Amazon, the platform is not necessarily as reliable as when you have your own hardware because Amazon might just turn off one of your servers overnight. So if you're a DevOps or an SRE, you get paged and then you have to deal with it and that was one of the big things that we actually wanted to fix and that's why we started to build Mesosphere. We wanted to automate a lot of these tasks that have to be done in your data center completely away for you. At the same time, we wanted to increase resource utilization. So one of the first projects we built at Mesosphere was called, or is called Marathon and it's a way to orchestrate containers at scale. So you can go in and you can say, I want to launch a Rails application that depends on maybe a memcached server and you can deploy this application topology and then just scale it up. And in fact, it's really easy to actually use auto scaling by hooking into our REST APIs and then just increasing the number of Rails instances, memcached servers and so forth. So let's unpack this nuance about horizontally scalable. That is the beautiful thing about the cloud and Amazon. It's horizontally scalable. As demand comes in, there's all kinds of tools. It's horizontally scale, load comes in, boom, it's done, it feels good, it's easy to do. Almost like pushing a button, I'm over simplifying.  Straight up, right? So okay, so now we're in this horizontally scalable world.  I want horizontally scalable. I want an app environment that at will I could program infrastructure. What do they do? Give us the playbook. Well, I think the first thing you generally do is you figure out how you package your application. And through the advent of the Docker file format, we now have a really good way of packaging an application up. And Google has actually put a lot of effort into isolation. So in 2007, 2008, isolation came into the Linux kernel and Google contributed heavily. And that isolation can now be used in order to run these applications next to each other on the same box. And that's, by the way, one of the key features that we take advantage of in Mesos and Marathon when we want to scale up your application. We can scale it on the same box, but we can also scale it across numerous servers. So talk about the scaling containers at scale. It sounds kind of mouthful, but what does that mean? Docker's hot right now because it really is a nice framework. Certainly the developers adopted it. And they really cracked the code on how to use open source in a way that actually punishes you for not being open. But talk about that dynamic. Yeah, so I think Docker is great. I mean, they've really invented a great file format. But I think there's much more to it. If you want to run a large data center at scale, you need to orchestrate. And orchestration is something that's actually really difficult to do. It took Google years of hardcore development to get to a point where they could scale up 2,000s, 10,000s, 100,000s of servers. And Twitter likewise, it took them a lot of time and engineering effort to get to a point where Mesos was as stable as it is today. Where you can actually go in and provision and then run on a 10,000 node cluster. So I got to ask you the question. I'll see you looking at your investor list, Andreessen Horowitz, the list goes on and on. Very disruptive investors. They like to go after the disruptors.  Who are you disrupting? And who's disrupted by you guys? So I think that's a great question to ask. So I think to a certain extent right now, the whole virtualization space is being disrupted. And I think it's being disrupted in a way that in the past, we always thought about bin packing onto a single server, multiple applications. And back in the day, 10 years, 15 years back in the height of the client server era, the applications were relatively small and the servers kept increasing in capacity. At most, you had maybe an Oracle server with a slave, with a slave instance, and it spanned one server and the slave server was also one big server. But oftentimes, you had a couple of Apache web servers and so forth on the same box. And there we used virtual machines in order to manually bin pack the server to increase utilization. And what we are seeing now is applications today are from day one distributed systems. They no longer live on just one box. They are examples of that are Hadoop, Spark, Storm, and Cassandra, and MongoDB. And many more. They run on multiple servers from day one. And in that world, we actually need a different model. We think we need an aggregation model, not a virtualization model. And you could think of it as we're virtualizing the entire data center to make it look like one big computer. And we're in the business. That's the mega trend right now. It's not going to be siloed into a box. And we want to build the operating system that runs on your entire data center. Yeah, so where are you with that? So where are you in the stem? That's a lofty dream, great goal to have, make it look like one monolithic resource, but there's a lot of stuff moving around with the distributed computing architecture. So large scale computer science is at play here. What's under the hood? I mean, what is the key secret sauce? So really the key secret sauce I think is Mesos for us. So Apache Mesos is a project that has really figured out how to represent resources that each of the nodes, that each of the nodes provides and hand them up to the applications. And then as an application developer, you can actually go in and say, I'm programming against resources rather than against individual machines. And I think that's really powerful. And those resources can shift and go where there's more opportunities for capacity, et cetera. Exactly. And you can on a global level decide a policy, which application should get how many resources. So that makes for really interesting dynamics in your data center. This is the trend we were talking about at VMworld, Jeff, the dictating the policy to the infrastructures, the applications versus the other way around. This was not the way it was when I was growing up in the business.  That's a completely different shift. Yep. So I got to ask you a question for the folks out there that are learning about you guys. Certainly the buzz is good. You guys are a great track record team. What are you and what aren't you? So if you had to put a statement out there, this is what we are. We're more like, we're the Uber of this, not the same owner. I'm just kidding. That's just an inside joke, Silicon Valley. So, but what are you and what aren't you? We're the operating system for the data center. And what are we not? Well, everything else. We're not a big data company. Let's just say you're the Uber for the data center. Just go with that. So it'll definitely get your next round done. You've got to be the Uber of something these days. No, we're not really in the big data space. We're really in the infrastructure space. And so we're an infrastructure company, yeah. So Flo, you've got a lot of history with kind of born in the cloud applications and really big single applications that's getting really big with Twitter and Airbnb. As you talk to enterprises, talk about the challenges that they have where it's really many, you know, trying to apply these principles across many applications in the same data center, as well as when they've got applications that weren't necessarily built this way from the ground up to really be able to assign resources as a service versus how they were pretty much rigidly signed. Are people trying to convert those? You know, can they leverage some of these lessons learned in that environment? So that's really the beautiful thing about a marathon which we've written.  So we've written a marathon specifically for that purpose. You can take any existing Linux application today, deploy it at scale, and actually get self-healing and higher resource utilization as a nice side effect. Wow, so you can apply it to your legacy stuff. Oh, absolutely, yes. So VMware hopes to be the operating system of the data center, software defined, data center is the hot buzzword. I mean, that's in essence what you're saying. Is that correct? I'm sure there can always be a lot of players in a big space. Okay, so you're disrupting who again? VMware, IBM, HP, are they friends, foe, frenemy? I think we're really filling a void. They are, you are. We are. They're voided, so yeah. But this is the big thing here, OpenStack is really about IT. So how do you come into the IT world? Have a little bit different requirements. They're born on premise, they're not born in the cloud, but they want to be born in the cloud in a half way. What, it's a basis, like a hybrid. So actually I think we play really nice with OpenStack. So a lot of our customers actually have started to invest heavily into OpenStack and it's really great for provisioning. So if you want the Amazon-like provisioning in your data center and you have already invested in OpenStack, you can just run Mesos on top of it. And then you get additional automation on top of your already highly automated data center. Now, that being said, there are companies that are starting with Greenfield projects and like Twitter for example, right? When it decided to move down this path of having everything run via Mesos, decided to not use any other technology and they're just using Linux C groups, so barebound containers alongside Mesos and some of their frameworks that they've written on top of Mesos directly. So talk about OpenStack. What do they need to do better? Obviously orchestration is a conversation that we have every time we go to an OpenStack show and it's kind of higher up the stack but there's still some critical issues. Automation again is another buzzword, but they seem to be stuck in the building block mode. What is happening from your perspective in the OpenStack community? I mean it's evolutionary, so it's not, they're not taking a step back, but some say they're not moving fast enough to provide that basic substrate infrastructure. Well I think OpenStack has set a really high goal also for themselves, so I think it's a tough problem and even just solving the provisioning piece I think takes a lot of time and I think they've done a great job on that, so I'm excited to see what comes next. Okay so we have a question from Stu Miniman who's watching from Wikibon, a big fan of yours, you can see him geeking out right now at his terminal. Can Flow explain how Mesos interacts with Docker and Kubernetes? Of course, so Kubernetes is a project built by Google and it was supposed to mimic some of the workflows, some of the developer workflows that Google has in order to roll out the applications and we went in and decided to partner with Google in order to bring Kubernetes on top of Mesos so that it can scale, so that it can scale massively because one of the pieces that Google has not open sourced that they are running internally is called Omega and was previously known as Bork and that is not available for everybody so that was a great opportunity for us to say hey, we're going to integrate the two projects and give Kubernetes fans the ability to run at massive scale. So are you a vitamin or an aspirin to Kubernetes? We're both, well we're both. I think you're a vaccine. No, I mean, we're really a vitamin. We really coexist nicely with them. And they're growing too. Yes, exactly. They're part of that thing. Now for Docker, to answer the second part of your question, so again, I think Docker has done a great job figuring out how to package an application with a Docker file format and if you just have a Docker container, you can't do really that much with it, right? So that's where we come in and we figure out a way how to orchestrate it at scale and not just for 10 notes, not just for 100 notes, but for thousands and tens of thousands of notes. Okay, so I want you to kind of put your messaging aside and put your visionary hat on and your geek hat on and paint the picture of what the data center looks like five to 10 years from now. CIOs, what's the preferred future look like for you? As the founder and CEO of Mesa Sphere, for the ideal future, what is it going to look like in the data center? I think there will be far fewer vendors who sell into the data center. I think it's going to consolidate quite a bit. I think- They'll have a hard time with that. They'll be clutching and grabbing until the last minute. Yeah, I think also more and more commodity components will make their way into the data center. So I think we're going to see a lot of chips that we're seeing in cell phones today, ARM and atom processors moving into the data center because they're just more power efficient and you can have many more processors in your data center that way. I think power virtualization is going to be a big aspect. I think right now, the racks that you're seeing, every node has its own power supply. I don't think that's actually, that's the future. I think we'll see a different rack format where we can just swap out, where we can just swap out disks that are by the way no longer spinning. They're all flash based and RAM and CPUs that are really small. So what about the role of data? Obviously the internet of things is big. Is this going to be just our native part of the infrastructure? Yeah, so I think I have to actually speak on behalf of Mesos here again. So I think specifically with the internet of things and the need for more data processing applications as that need arises, we will see more frameworks being built directly against the data center. And that's where Mesos really comes in and can help you because Spark, are you familiar with Spark? Yes, very much so, yeah. So Spark was one application that was built against the Mesos API initially and that's how they were able to move so quickly. Now, when they first started Spark, there was no Mesosphere and there were no Mesos RPMs and Debian packages. So when you wanted to run Spark, you also had to compile Mesos from scratch. And that's why they had to backfill a lot of the networking that Mesos gives you for free. A lot of the messaging, the RPC, the isolation, they had to backfill that. And what I think is like, we're not at the end of the tunnel of data frameworks, data processing frameworks. There will be many more. Flo, thanks for coming on theCUBE. The founder and CEO of Mesosphere, innovation is happening, it's just doing well. Keep an eye on these guys, certainly as the evolution of the stack continues. Congratulations, the data center is software-defined, it's happening. And we're here at the OpenStack Silicon Valley, should be right back after this short break.


Hey Gems welcome back to my channel so as you can see my surrounding is different and that's because I am not in my house back in Florida. I am back home in the Virgin Islands. I've been here for about a week now. I had to make the trip back home because I needed a break. I need to take care of myself and I need to be around family and friends that can help me throughout the remainder of my pregnancy so this is where I'll be until further notice. I decided that I should be productive today. Like I said in probably my last video I want to start uploading more often again so now that I've had some time to rest and catch myself I want to get the ball rolling on that again. One of the things that I want to start doing again on my channel is filming DIY videos. If you don't know I do make and sell my own natural skincare products. However there are a lot of simple DIY things that I do on the side just for my household and I want to start filming and sharing that with people who would like to try doing it themselves because you know some people prefer to try and do things themselves versus buying it and I want to give you guys both options to purchase or to make yourself. So in today's video it's going to be very simple. All I'm using is aloe vera leaf and I am making aloe vera gel. The good thing about being home is that I can find aloe leaf right in my grandmother yard. There's a couple aloe plants right out here in my grandmother yard and I'm just going to cut off about one or two leaves and take it in the kitchen to get started. I need a knife though so I'm going to cut it off and then I'll be back. If you don't have a aloe plant or access to a aloe plant you can find fresh aloe leaves at probably your local Whole Foods or a farmer's market or something. Today we're using the fresh aloe leaves and this video is going to be simple and quick and easy to follow. I also want to mix some aloe oil but I'm going to do that in a separate video because that process is a little longer and I also need to get the carrier oil that I want to use so I would have it in my house in Florida but I don't have it here so I would have to go and buy some in order to make that video so stay tuned for that. I have a pregnancy update coming soon so stay tuned for that but today we're focusing on the DIY. Okay so I have my two leaves of aloe here and I'm just going to start prepping it so I can take out the inner part of the leaf so you don't want to blend up the skin. You can take a spoon and just scrape it out you can try and cut it out you can even try and just peel the skin from around the gel in the middle but I find this way to be easier for me so it doesn't matter how you get out the middle just get it out. So how I'm going to take out the middle is by like cutting the inside so I'm not piercing through the skin I'm literally just cutting the inner gel and I'm just gonna scoop out the middle so cutting it first to me makes it easier to scoop out the middle. Okay so now all I'm gonna do is blend this up with my immersion blender. Okay so when you're done it's gonna look all foamy like this and it's okay because everything is gonna settle again. You could wait until it's settled before you strain it or you can just go ahead and strain it is up to you. So now what you want to do is get a stocking cap. I think you should be able to also use like a cheesecloth or one of those clean baby diapers diaper clots but the point is you want something with very fine holes so that you can strain it well. You don't want to use a regular strainer because I don't think that would work. In fact it wouldn't because I've tried it that way before. So try and get a stocking cap whether it's one you have in your home or if you have to buy a new one. The point of DIYs is that you can use what you have because it's for yourself. It's about it. So now I'm gonna just leave this here and let it settle to get rid of all the foam and then I'll show you guys what I'm left with. Let me show you what it is exactly you're straining out. So this is what you're straining out. All those little bits and pieces. If you were to not strain it and use this in your hair you would have a hard time getting out all those little bits and pieces out of your hair strand. So that's the purpose of straining it. Straining it. So this is my favorite. This is my finished product of the aloe vera gel that I was making. I just put it in this small squeeze bottle because I want to be able to stir it in the fridge so that it stays nice and fresh until it's finished. And that is also why I make such a little bit at a time because I don't want it to go bad before I'm able to finish it. And a little goes a long way so this lasts long enough. I'll say it could last me the entire week or longer if I'm using it every day which I usually do. I use it in my sons hair. I use it in my hair. You can use it on your skin to soothe like itchy eczema breakouts. You can use it on your baby bump. You can use aloe vera gel for so much things and it's something so simple to make versus going to the store and buying it. I want to show you guys how I use it in my sons hair but he's not here yet so later when he comes home if I haven't edit this video yet I'm gonna insert a clip of how I use it in his hair. So his hair looked very dry because I washed it the other day. I put it in these bit twists but I've started to put the aloe in it and just look at the difference. See how shiny and moisturized these twists look compared to this. This video is something very quick and simple that I wanted to share with you guys that I personally use on a daily basis. Stay tuned for my next video which should be my pregnancy update and a little bit more detail on how my pregnancy is going and my plans for my birth and all of that. So yeah stay tuned make sure you hit that subscribe button and thank you for your love and support. I wish everyone love life and prosperity and you guys will see me in my next one. Peace.


So we are running a little late, but I think maybe we'll have our meeting we'll have lunch We'll shorten our lunch hour and maybe eat in this room so that you can stay on time So it's my pleasure to introduce our next speaker Alice van Alice is a colleague in medical oncology She's an assistant professor of medical oncology in addition to seeing patients with kidney cancer Alice's Alice focuses her time on really Trying to figure out how treatments work how effective are they she spends her time looking at blood and trying to find better ways to Monitor our response to treatment. She's engaged in many clinical trials here at Stanford And it's really a pleasure to have Alice talk to us today on her work on kidney cancer Thank you Alice again for being here And thank you for your attention. I think I'll be done in 15 minutes, so we'll make up some time before lunch It's really a pleasure to be here today and to answer a question that's on all of our minds You've had great talks today about the state-of-the-art treatments and where we're going But once we've gotten we've made a decision and chosen a treatment for you. How do we know it's working? And how can we do that to do better so we need better answers for every step and you've heard great talks about how to get Better diagnoses with and how to get better treatments and outcomes with nephrectomies how to choose your first treatment I'm gonna focus on this. We've chosen a treatment whether it's first line second line or third line for advanced disease and All the talks have been showing you CT scans. That is our gold standard That's what we do is we treat you for two to three months And then we see literally with the ruler if things have gotten smaller on a scan so We use these scans for standard evaluation to determine your stage when we're first diagnosed CTs are our mainstay, but also MRIs and bone scans. We choose your systemic therapy and Systemic therapies as you've also heard are these number of different things immunotherapies tumor cell growth and survival inhibitors the everolimus Intense or alimus as well as these inhibitors of blood vessel formation So when we have all these therapies to choose between We want to know if they're working once we've started them now. How is it that we do that? And how do we know that it's working in your tumor? What we want to do is measure the tumor response when we give you a drug that's stimulating your immune system We would expect that there's an infiltration of cells into the tumor and that those start helping to gobble up the tumor cells Or for giving you a drug that's supposed to decrease the blood vessels that feed the tumor Then we should expect that there's decreases in blood vessels and vascularity in the tumor But right now our measures with the CT scan can't tell us that detail of information It's literally a ruler measurement about the diameter of the lesions And that's what we're measuring we're measuring size on our standard reevaluation scans And the reason it takes two to three months for these repeat scans is because it takes that long for something to shrink Just for one millimeter of tumor That's already billions of cells, but the love that's the limit of our resolution for CT scans and what we really rely on It gets even murkier when we're talking about our specific kidney cancer treatments because a lot of our treatments don't necessarily even shrink tumors We've said to you many times, you know, what if it doesn't shrink? That's a win We just want to prevent it from growing so looking for shrinkage might not be the right thing Like we said it takes eight to twelve weeks to actually heart halt the tumor growth and see it start shrinking And as we just heard with nevolumab a small percent of tumors actually look bigger the pseudo progression phenomenon Before they stabilize or shrink and if we're doing, you know a scan at eight weeks And it looks a little bigger and then we want to treat for another eight weeks or even up to six months What if it really was progression this whole time? We'd hate to lose all that time, but right now that's the best we have So you've really key questions are how do we distinguish the difference between these changes and tumor size? And what are some of the things we can do? Well, as I just hinted, it would be great if we could couple. It's kind of very echoes Okay, all right A new more direct approach would be if we could add to the CT scan tumor diameter measurements if we can add measures of activity of the cancer pathways whether it's activity of the immune system kind of getting at the question you just asked or Activity of the cancer pathways that are fueling the cancer. So that's the focus of what I'm going to talk about today And which cancer pathways should we be looking at? Well, you heard that seven out of our 10 targeted agents approved for kidney cancer Suppressed the growth of blood vessels that feed the kidney tumors. That's this angiogenesis. And this is the list of those drugs Well, how can we quantify angiogenesis the blood vessels? We have a study at Stanford that uses something called a 4d CT scan So it's called a dynamic perfusion CT And it's a special CT that measures tumor blood flow So not just the diameter of the tumor that added its measurements of the flow and the blood volume by measuring how things change over time In terms of the perfusion of lesions and how leaky the vessels are This is actually an approved thing But it requires special scanners and software and it hasn't been proven to be better than our diameter measurements yet especially for kidney cancer So our clinical trials open to offer this kind of scan to our patients here at Stanford that are taking any of the anti angiogenesis drugs And we do a scan before we start the standard treatment Another one one week after treatment because we're really going after the one week time point We know that your blood vessels start changing within days of starting these pills While it takes eight to 12 weeks for them to shrink on a ruler measurement We expect that after one week of treatment we can start seeing changes in the vessels So wouldn't that be great if we could get a hint earlier on? And then we repeat a third scan at the standard time between eight to 12 weeks of treatment Which is when we usually do a CT scan and the goal of this study is to determine if blood vessel measurements change at one week And if this can predict the 12-week response by standard CT So last year I told you about this study and this year I can show you some of our first results From me and Ia Kamaya my radiologist and our study coordinator Tommy is I'm sitting in the back and you're going to hear more from him about the things that he does So this is an example of our perfusion CT results This is our standard CT scan the black and white scans that you've been seeing And dr. Kamaya circled for me the adrenal Metastasis that we are watching and treating in this patient When we add the perfusion measurements you can see you can see That it adds areas of high perfusion in the spleen which is here in that adrenal met which is circled As well as you can see here's the blood vessels in the liver And you can see the areas that are well perfused in the liver and areas that it takes a little longer to Perfuse as the blood filters through the liver And so what we can see is that in our first patients now This is only nine patients five of them had stable disease and this is zero so when we did the one week scan The vessels decreased on average for the five for the four that progressed And again, we couldn't see any changes in size yet at one week But those that progressed that were found to progress at three months on the standard scan At the one week we saw that they stayed at zero They didn't really have much of a change now There's big error bars and even though we got a p value of 0.04 This is not yet clinically significant So we're continuing this study to see if we can get early hints And if this might be one approach out of many that we can try to add to a standard CT scan to get more information About what's happening in you early when we've started a treatment What's another way well even more directly like we just like dr. Shaw just said We can analyze the cells what better way than to look directly in the tumor cells if possible And what do we want to analyze in those cells? There's been a lot of excitement in the news and in science about analyzing DNA the code That codes for all of our processes in our bodies There's also a lot of excitement about studying RNA DNA remember is made into RNA and then RNA is made into proteins But it turns out that all these small molecule inhibitors or antibodies that are treatments all of them are actually targeting proteins So while looking at DNA and RNA is very important and can start giving us predictions of mutations that might or might not respond To see if you're actually responding if our drug has actually gotten onto that white flag and taken it down We need to look at the protein level Well, that's a really hard thing to do Serial biopsies are what would be required in order to get enough tissue to analyze proteins Right now our protein technologies require a million cells to make a measurement Or if you're trying to get a single cell measurement you have to do these Extensive processes to digest a solid tumor into one cell before you can make that analysis So we're not Ideally we don't need these large biopsies and if we can use nano technologies to get away with analyzing tiny numbers of cells That might give us a way to measure the proteins and look much more directly at how things are changing over time So i've developed the use of a new nanotechnology that can quantify panels of proteins in patient cells We use a peggy sue instrument So this is a picture of the instrument and all the measurements take place in these tiny micro fluidic capillaries And that's the secret that allows us to do a lot of profiling with just a very small amount of input We run 96 tubes of these capillary tubes at the same time and it's automated And that's really key because when you're doing things by hand there can be human error in all your measurements But when a machine does it you can build in the precision So that makes it highly reproducible and we can start getting answers in four hours So can we use this nanotechnology to measure proteins and tiny numbers of kidney cancer cells? Yes, we have shown with a huge collaboration including dr. Leppert and all of the investigators in the room today That we can determine signatures of kidney cancers using this nanotechnology And we're collecting and profiling tumor tissue from nephrectomies So maybe some of you in this room have participated in that when you got your kidney out And from radiology guided biopsies and with tomi's tremendous help He goes into the operating rooms to help us get these specimens. We've collected more than 300 specimens And what we do is we sample both the tumor itself This is a picture of a needle where we suck out tumor cells from the from the tumor As well as non-tumor cells from the normal kidney when it's come out so we can compare How your tumor signature is different from your normal signature So analysis of biologic response like I said if we could do that in this period When you start your first treatment and do it before our standard eight to 12 week tumor reassessment That could be one approach if we could get tiny numbers of cells from your tumors Before and early during treatment in real time see if we're hitting the target in your tumors And then see if that can actually predict our 12 week standard measurements That's the subject of a grant that just got submitted to the NIH Ideally, we don't even need to poke your tumor Wouldn't it be great if we could do things minimally invasive with either finding elasporates with a poke Or a blood draw that occur after administering therapy So that's a clinical study that we have ongoing is to combine these different kinds of measurements and imaging To see if we can get better predictors of if things are working So we have a lot of patients that are participating in this blood draw study too Where we get two to four sometimes extra tubes of blood at your visit And thank you, we've enrolled more than 150 patients so far that are participating in this So this is going to start really generating some exciting data Now can we do this when we're developing new drugs? Wouldn't it be great if we could find direct tumor measurements in a new drug So that we know exactly what to measure when that drug gets approved The goal would be again develop biomarkers from blood ideally that determine response earlier than eight to 12 weeks That can help accelerate the development to the new drugs because right now to evaluate a drug in a phase one Or two clinical trial. We're still using our ruler measurements And if it doesn't shrink we never know why not if we could look in the cells We can see the drug got there or not And if the drug got there, did it actually cause the tumors to stop growing? Did all the processes stop or did they still keep metabolizing and growing? And so that'll help us understand personalized therapy for advanced disease But also help understand why drugs fail and that's something we really don't know Every, you know, I've always think to myself when we see each other in clinic Why didn't that work and what could we do to make it better for the next drug that we try? And right now we don't have a way of answering that So that's why we really are trying hard to do these molecular measurements So I'll give you an example of how we're doing this for CB839 the scutaminase inhibitor that we just that Sumit already brought up It would be ideal if we could analyze changes in tumor cells by fine needle aspirate or blood draw That occurs after administering a new drug like this glutaminase inhibitor Just to remind you this drug inhibits a glutaminase enzyme Which decreases conversion of glutamine to glutamate and glutamate's an alternate energy source to glucose for your tumor cells And what we would want to do is beyond measuring the ruler measurement We'd like to see if glutamate is actually changing over time in your cells And so I collaborated with Eric Mitra in radiology to do this with the novel kind of PET scan So he has something called an f18 fspg probe and that's an imaging agent for glutamate. It's basically Um, let's see. Yeah, it's basically a PET probe where we can inject this fspg And it shows you how much glutamate is being utilized by specific tissues or tumors And this is comparing it to the glucose PET scan So we know in kidney cancer regular FDA approved glucose PET scans are not always authorized for our patients because only about half of them actually take up Regular glucose for these PET scans And this is an example of a patient on our study of the glutaminase inhibitor who got a regular glucose PET scan And this black spot is a lymph node that had tumor in it. We can measure it on the CT scan with our ruler When we look for dark spots the darker the more Glucose it took up we see it only took up about a unit of 3.7 So barely above just the normal blood vessel next to it when we tried our glutamate probe You can see that it took up 15.9 Units and it looks much darker. So for this patient actually it turned out that the glutamate probe Picked up the presence of tumor better than the regular PET scan with a glucose probe And after starting the CB839 treatment we saw that it was stable. It didn't get brighter, but it didn't get lower So in fact this patient did have stable disease and we looked across the patients the 21 patients that have been reported from this study so far 52 of them had stable disease They didn't change and one patient had tumor shrinkage and this was presented last year and this is the drug that Has really easy side effects. So we thought that would be really cool to To synergize it see if it synergizes it's going to be great in combination So one of the two studies that samit mentioned is combining the sclutaminase inhibitor with abdivo nevolumab the pd1 inhibitor And the theory is your T cells need glutamate as an energy source and they really love glutamine to make glutamate So if we decrease the glutamate Production then the glutamine which is its precursor increases and so there's more glutamine around for your T cells to use And so that's the theory behind combining cb839 with abdivo And if affinitor the everlimus is targeting one mTOR energy pathway and we combine it with Targeting the glutamate pathway could that work better and there's preliminary data for that as well So this is now going into a randomized phase two study So unfortunately, we're not going to be able to do this imaging anymore at stanford because dr Mitra my close collaborator in radiology is leaving us for oregon health sciences where he's going to be the division chief for nuclear medicine But there are other up and coming things to keep our eyes open for so We have a stanford center for nanotechnology excellence. It's been in existence now for um 12 years And i'm the leader of the clinical translation for this center So that means i work the chemists work with the chemists who are divine Who are making all these new smart nanoparticles and i help them figure out okay Well, what cancer should that be used for and how is that really going to be tested in a clinical trial? So i'm just going to share with you three things that are up and coming And then i'll end so the first project is this chemist dr Jung homerow Who is visualizing tumors with self assembling and disassembling mark nanoparticles? So you can inject one piece of a nanoparticle and it gets into the tumor cells You inject another tiny piece of a nanoparticle and it gets into the tumor cells But only in the tumor cells can these nanoparticles attach and give off a signal that we can see with a scan And then he's working on not once they get in there Let's have them disassemble so we can just excrete them and this even though it sounds like it's the jetsons We think we're going to be testing this next year in our first patients Project two dr Sean Wang is an engineer and he's using these tiny magnetic nanoparticles to capture circulating tumor cells in blood So wouldn't that be great instead of having to get a fine needle aspirate of your tumor Maybe we can just do a blood draw and measure if your tumor cells are there and what's happening to them Dr Sam gambir who's the chair of radiology here has a very interesting project where he has smart nanoparticles That use sound waves to image tumors and the way he describes it If you yell at these tumor if if you yell at these nanoparticles and they're in your tumor they yell back at you So he has these super sensitive Ways of detecting the sounds that these nanoparticles are making when we bounce sound waves at them So that's actually currently in clinical trials for prostate cancer So I hope I've given you a taste of ways we can use new technologies to make molecular changes to measure molecular changes In your tumors over time gave you examples of a profusion CT Oh, I didn't talk about rgd2 But that's looking at blood vessels as well the glutamate tracer and making nanoscale measurements from your blood We're incorporating these technologies into clinical trials here for kidney cancer And the goal is to develop biomarkers to personalize treatment So it takes a lot of collaborators to do this kind of work So I want to thank each of them and each of you for attending today any questions. I'm happy to answer them I hope I can Be unconfusing As opposed to the targeted therapies the immune therapies Are actually trying to get your immune cells to eat the cancer the targeted therapies might try to slow its growth or reverse its growth so if I have a Great response to an immune therapy you can assume man my cells are eating it real quick, right if I have a partial Well, they're not eating it quite fast enough. The tumor is growing faster than The the cells or if it's stable there's a balance, right? My immune cells are eating it the cancer is growing neither one's winning, right and so with that Assume that okay if you got a stable growth then add something in there to Try to make the tumor grow slower so Your cells can eat it faster. I mean is there that kind of logic to it? So I think the question might be asking is okay Sometimes we have stabilization sometimes we actually have a partial response But we what we want is a complete response. We want it to go completely away So are there strategies we can use to combine things like immunotherapy and other targeted therapies to get to the Complete response adding perhaps two partial responses. So there's a lot of combination therapies that are going out One is with you know the glutaminase inhibitor which is a brand new metabolic metabolic strategy There's combinations of different immune flags turning on and off the different flags There's combinations of the immune flags and the targets the blood vessels that are approved therapies A new approach is that we didn't even address yet But we have a clinical trial that puts an antibody with a chemo and it brings the chemo directly to your tumors We have that in kidney cancer So that we have a lot of strategies to try and get to the complete responses because that's what we want I mean, yeah, it's great to have stable disease and and not have any effects from your tumor and control it for a while But we want it gone So these are these are some of the strategies that we have and then building in ways to figure out if it's working early And if not, why not that's a key piece. We're trying to answer as well Can these sorts of approaches or technologies be used to To evaluate like off-label Yeah to evaluate off-label use So, um, so if we're just getting a blood draw and trying to analyze cells We could so I guess let me take a step back So one thing that we do do is we do do mutation testing to see if there's any targets that are special to your tumor that We have drugs for that might be approved for breast cancer For example, if you have a breast cancer gene that's that's gone up or approved in a melanoma that we don't have And so first we can look for mutations and then those drugs would be off-label for kidney cancer So if we were able to get those drugs off-label Then and and want to know if they're working then right now the standard scan is a CT scan to find out But we would certainly want to apply anything that we're developing for the approved drugs To be able to make the measurements, too You want to look and see if that mutation that you have if we're turning it off or not That's exactly what we want to be able to do. So I'd love to be able to apply this and that's the goal Okay, thank you so much Alice. Thank you so much